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you. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Napa County Board of Supervisors meeting. I'm calling this meeting of August 25th, 2026 to order. May I have roll call, please? Vice chair, I see you. I sent supervisor Ramos, supervisor Gallagher, supervisor, chair,

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Thank you. At this time, I would ask everyone who's able to rise for the pledge of allegiance. And I would like Scott Wagner, director of Housing and Community Services to lead us to

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Are next item is pet of the week and as requested, if you could please be quiet, if you really adore this pet, I can offer you if you would like to twinkle in support of the pet.

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That's a nice quiet way to show that you're pleased about this beautiful dog that we're going to meet now.

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So Louise, whenever you're ready,

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okay, so this morning we have Phoebe and Louise, would you

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like to tell us about this wonderful girl?

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Okay, you guys, Phoebe is a little nervous, so you'll see her kind of just pan, pan, pan,

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seeing a lot and or hiding behind me, doing the little pacing that she's doing right now.

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I wasn't really expecting her to do this when she got here because at the shelter she is

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really, really shy at the beginning, but then once she sees you and she recognizes you,

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For example, even with me, when I go up to her channel, she will kind of go down and she's like,

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who is that?

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Do I need to run away?

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And then she sees that it's me.

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And then she gets really, really bubbly, very social, very outgoing, very soft like.

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She kind of turns into a puppy in the sense that her butt starts doing that big puppy wiggle.

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Her tail goes kind of wild.

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Her licking is very, very soft.

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Very curious, like a puppy not a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,

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But Phoebe has been at the shelter for about a month.

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She did come with him siblings to the shelter.

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So we know that she has the skill to be social with other dogs.

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One of my favorite things about Phoebe is I really want her.

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She reminds me a lot of my dog at home.

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She has got the droopy face. She's got the sad eyes.

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But once you get to know her and she starts to be more social with you.

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She really turns into like, oh my gosh, I love you so much.

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I just want to be near you.

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If you pet her, she's really, really soft.

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she's a chubby little girl. She's about 80 pounds right now. But yeah, she's just a little shy,

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little, a little overwhelmed with the city, the car drive, all the noises, all the people

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elevator as well. But she's actually doing really well. She's just ready to go back to the shelter.

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Okay, and Phoebe's adoption fees are way for this week? Yes. Okay, beautiful. Thank you for

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and Phoebe for us today.

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Good job.

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I see some flinkles.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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That brings us to item four approval of proclamations and commendations.

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And the recipients for today's intended proclamation for teen mental health awareness

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month are unable to attend the meeting.

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So we're not going to present the proclamation today.

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But I will ask for any public comments on the proclamation.

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and also a motion in second to prove it.

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Information will be presented to the recipients offsite in the near future. So are there any public comments on this item?

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Not seeing any or there any on the phone? So, okay, I'm motion to approve.

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Second, okay, motion by supervisor, almost, second by supervisor, control, all those in favor.

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Aye. That passage unanimously. Very well. That brings us to item five, our consent calendar, including special districts, and we'll be pulling items to five B as in boy.

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and 5b as in dog. So that is consent calendar items A through R with the exception of 5b and 5b.

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Do we have any public comments on this on any of the items not being full from consent?

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I'm not seeing any on the phone now. Okay.

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And they have a motion, and a second to approve consent calendar.

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I can say through R accepting 5b and 5d.

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So moved, rather, second, control.

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Okay, we have a motion by Ramos, and a second by control.

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All those in favor.

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I, I, that passes unanimously, and we'll be hearing those items during item eight in the after board reports and announcements.

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So at this time I would welcome any public comment for items not on the agenda or on our free closed session items today. Is there any public comment on items not on our agenda? Yes, please come to the podium and if you'd give us your name please and you have three minutes.

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My name is Mark Leonardo, and I'm the co-founder of the Michael Leonardo Foundation, and had I known you were adopting dogs today. I'm going to come a little more prepared. I just got one, so I can't up to.

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Good morning, Madam Chair. Members of the board. Again, my name is Mark Leonardo. I'm the co-founder of the Michael Leonardo Foundation, which was created in memory of my son, Michael, who lost his life to fentanyl poisoning.

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It was a simple mistake he made by biting a pill with some friends off Snapchat and, unfortunately,

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with the two milligrams of fentanyl in any of these counterfeit pills, it's enough to kill

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the normal average size personal.

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Our mission is deeply personal, but our work is focused on the entire community.

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We are dedicated to educating young people, parents, and families about the very real dangers

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of fentanyl, fentanyl poisoning, and counterfeit dip pills, and accidental overdoses.

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I don't know if you all know the difference is between accidental overdoses and poisoning.

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Poisony is basically something that you're trying to be buying. So let's say an oxy cotton off of

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some dealer on the internet. And that pill has no oxy cotton in it. It has strictly fentanyl

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and you're unaware of that. And that's basically somebody who's trying to poison somebody.

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be just like them giving you rep reasons.

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Our major part of our work is going to be directly in front

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of young people.

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We part with schools and community organizations,

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and we have it to have honest,

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age-appropriate conversations about fentanyl,

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the dangers of elicid pills,

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and the reality that is today that one pill can kill.

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We want young people to understand that the pill obtained from a friend

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through social media or anywhere outside of legitimate pharmacy

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can contain a lethal amount of fentanyl.

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But education is only one part of what we do.

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We provide free in a lock zone.

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We provide fentanyl test strips.

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We provide, we connect families with resources,

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host community, presentations, and awareness events.

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And we're to reduce the stigma surrounding substance use

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and overdose, including poisoning.

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We believe one person, we believe one open conversation

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can save many lives.

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We also believe that preventing needs to reach young people

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in ways that resonate with them, young people don't necessarily want to hear me stand up and

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talk about this all the time. That is why we music has become such an important part of our

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outreach. This Saturday, August 29th, we're bringing that mission to downtown Napa with our music

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and awareness concert at the Car Club from 47pm. It's about more than a concert. It's about bringing

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our community together using music to start the conversation, providing its potentially life-saving

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information and resources and reminding young people that they have choices in their choices matter.

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I'd like to personally invite each one of you to the Napile Car Club this Saturday and enjoy

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the music, learn about our work, and help continue spreading the message through outer community.

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Awareness creates conversation, conversations create change, and sometimes one conversation

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can save a life.

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Thank you very much for supporting the health and safety of our young people and our

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community. Thank you for your comments, Mr. Lianardi. I have some of these here. I'd like to offer you guys

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comes in a lineup here. That's okay. That's great. Thank you. Thank you for your time again.

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Good morning, Mr. Relios. Good morning, chair and supervisors. I'm Donald Williams, Mayor of

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Kalisoga. It's been two years since the sale of the Fairgrounds and for that accomplishment

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we're grateful to you and to CEO Al-Sauper his assistance. The history is interesting. Decades

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ago the property was transferred from Kalisoga into the county in order to facilitate state funding

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for the Fairgrounds. The county made the purchasing using mostly state, not local funds, and the

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express purpose was maintaining a fairgrounds. It never was intended as a marketable real estate

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asset. As state funding diminished, the county acknowledged the fairgrounds was outside of scope,

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and then the real question was not ownership, because the public is the owner, but which jurisdiction

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and would manage the fairgrounds, and calisogans were interested.

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We put thousands of volunteer hours and millions of dollars into the property.

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We're doing what we can in-house, but to make the fairgrounds self-sustaining,

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we may want to invite professionals to manage some parts of the property, for example the golf course

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or the RV park. There are developers who've shown interest in investing in the fairgrounds,

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But they have indicated they may need terms of more than 25 years to recover their investment.

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So we ask that the limit on leases be extended to 50 years.

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That would enable us to negotiate the best possible terms with sets professionals.

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The agreement with the county is two years old, but the main object today and going forward

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for all of us is the success of the Fairgrounds.

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already we've hosted many community events there for public recreation and benefit.

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Allowing longer leases would not affect any other terms of the agreement.

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It would continue to be zoned for public recreation and historical uses.

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In fact, allowing longer leases actually strengthens and supports

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the essential purpose of the transaction, which is to restore the property to public use.

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The revitalized fairgrounds will be a resource for residents, an attraction for visitors,

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and a haven in emergencies, the longer lease limit can help us achieve those goals.

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After all, what purpose does a 25-year lease limit serve that a 50-year limit wouldn't do as well?

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And how does the public gain by keeping the lease restrictive?

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because next to nothing to make this change and the flexibility of a longer

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lease term can help Calistoga bring to fruition the promise of a thriving

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dynamic fairgrounds for all the public to enjoy. Thank you. Thank you Mayor

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Williams. Welcome, Council Member Eisenberg. Thank you. Kevin Eisenberg,

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Calisto, the city council of first I completely concur with Mayor Williams

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points and I will try not to repeat them. I have a few short comments. First I

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also am grateful for the work that CEO else up in the two advisors did to work

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with Calisto get to keep the fairgrounds alive.

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And also I don't believe that this

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board intends to execute the right of first refusal and take back the

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fairgrounds because when expanded least term. I know that's not your intention.

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I believe the board only has good intentions for the fairgrounds, but not

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changing this one word on the agreement from 25 to 50.

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It does cause additional time and expense for Calastoga and Napa County to go through the process each time we want to change or accept a lease agreement.

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All of the safeguards protect the county and guarantee that the Fairgrounds will remain as recreational space for the benefit of the people of Napa County remain in place.

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And I'd like to conclude with asking you two questions.

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How does limiting the least term to 25 years benefit the county and its residents?

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And how does changing the term 50 years harm the county and its residents?

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Thank you.

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Thank you. Welcome as Andersen, the morning supervisors. Thank you for being here.

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I'll just follow up with, with the folks from Calestoga said, it seems to run parallel the request with what you're requesting from the BOR at Lake Barry Yesa, or at least the concession airs are saying they need a longer time in order to execute a plan out there.

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So it appears to be a pretty common thing. I just wanted to mention a loss of all these beautiful oak trees up and down the trail in 29 to Mediterranean oak ore.

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As a LSEO, probably saw the beautiful oak tree in front of Burgess for her event this

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last weekend, and I had an idea, I don't know if it will work.

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When there was Dutch owned disease trees that were confirmed diseased, it was considered

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rude with.

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It was a source of anoculation for other trees to move that wood around.

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And I don't think the past, there's much that can be done by the Agriculture Commissioner.

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But what if we worked with the operators of the landfill to allow tree companies to take that contaminated

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infested wood and bury it at the landfill?

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That was what is done with Dutch owned disease trees.

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Is it the bury the wood?

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So it was not transported around for firewood.

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So maybe that's something that could be done.

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It's just offer that opportunity to tree companies.

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And I don't know, maybe Mr. Letter can mention,

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are we taking M.O.B. killed trees along our public roads and offering that would along the

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side of the road for people to cut up. Maybe we don't want to do that anymore. I just want to

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thank you guys again for funding vegetation management along Cal Mountain Road and Anguan.

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It is magnificent and what that work has done has allowed PUC staff with their own small

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rickety old equipment to come back in where the larger

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massification occurred and just kind of routinely come through.

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I have seen tractors working in places where no equipment has done

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forest management for 30 years.

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So it's really uplifting and you're leveraged that money a lot.

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And then lastly, maybe Mr. Bardona knows about this.

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When these vineyards start coming out on really steep hills,

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For example, England or Mount Veter. A lot of these may be predate from the 70s, so they might predate some of them, our erosion control ordinances.

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What policies are we putting in place to stabilize those hills?

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I see some that are really going to be dangerous, and they are have the potential to contaminate concrete.

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So I hope we have policies in place to protect the hillsides when those vineyards come out.

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Thanks. Thank you. I'm not seeing any other public comments in the room. Is there anyone on the phone?

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Okay. And that brings us to item seven Board of Supervisors reports and announcements.

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I welcome any of my colleagues. I see supervisor Gallagher first.

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Yes, thank you and good morning. Just a couple of things. I think several of us up here

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have the opportunity to meet with representatives of the UC Ag and Natural Resources group

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that actually runs UC Cooperative Extension was really, really informative and I will be talking

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about it more in my newsletter and talking a little bit more about the programs that they offer.

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we have 18 different programs and initiatives that come out of ANR and there were many that I didn't

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even know about. Ons of course that we do like for age but many others that we didn't necessarily

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know about and so I think it's really really a wonderful asset to the community to be able to

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how our UC Cooperative Extension and how access to all of these great people around California

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who can be really helpful in terms of not only agriculture but community development and

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youth development and other things that they do so. Stay tuned I think for more

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information about how the county can work more in concert with that group. Also just wanted to

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comment on Mr. Lianardi's comment about the Lianardi Foundation and so that everybody knows

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we actually have a committee at the county through HHSA called the Napa Obioids Safety Committee

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that meets every month and does a lot of work around Obioids Safety and so please if you have

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opportunity to go to one of their trainings. Please take advantage and you will find in the lock.

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All over the place. And so if that is something that if somebody is actually overdosing, you can use that to save some, actually, it's a lifesaver, or we also make sure you have a box of that with you at all times.

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And so if you go to the event on Saturday, I'm sure they will have those available, but you can find those in clinics and other places around the community.

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It's really, really important that we talk about this in the community and that we are actively participating as community members and we understand what we can do to help others.

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So, wanted to mention those two and then I do have a report from our ad hoc inclusion committee, which is myself and supervisor Ramos.

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We have been meeting, we've also been in meetings and discussions with other jurisdictions around the Bay Area, and we would like to make a referral to staff that we draft an interim urgency ordinance establishing a temporary moratorium on the Friday construction conversion or operation of a new or expanded detention of new or expanded detention or correctional facilities within the unincorporated area of Napa County.

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This is something that we're looking at all throughout the Bay Area.

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We want to do this quickly because it's really really important that if we're looking at anything like a detention center that we consider the various policy implications and

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we are able to take that time to do that and develop a comprehensive approach to regulating and mitigating impacts in terms of land use

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and also community impacts of these kinds of facilities.

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So we do have a draft from San Mateo County.

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They are actually taking that up at their meeting today.

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So we do have a starting point

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for our planning and building department

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and our county council.

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And so we'd like to see that come to us in a draft

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as soon as we can.

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I think that for now, that is all.

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And if I think of more, I'll come back.

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Thank you, Supervisor Gallagher. I see Vice Chair Lassia.

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Thank you. I was also going to be mentioning the

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the Napa Opeoid Safety Coalition I attended the last meeting and it really was a report regarding

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Opeoid use, methamphetamine. That I mean is on the rise,

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mentioned on the rise, and a lot of someone is being used as well-sourced in our community.

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I think this is a really important report to bring back to this board. So when it works for

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our public health department, Dr. Blue, she could bring that report to this board, that would be

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so it would be great. I thought it was very important. And that is a regular meeting that you

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can attend virtually via Zoom. So I encourage people to know what's happening in our community

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in that area. I want to report back as at the MCE Board representative chair and I also chair

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the MCE Finance Committee. Some of you may or may not be tracking that there was a grand jury

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report on MCE at our last board meeting. We went through the response and improved the response

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two-degree, with some few amendments. There was a lot of agreement over all on that report with the

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grand jury in terms of findings. There's a lot happening in MCE, including a CEO search,

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including a current governance assessment, which will then follow up with recommendations and

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implement implementations for changes. MCE is going through a changes in growth, if you will.

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So, it's a positive step forward.

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I know some of you may know that the right now,

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the Napa County flight control,

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is, well, the currently working and

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constructing the flood wall that's

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Lincoln north.

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I think the Lincoln to train guests.

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I have exactly right.

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And they're also working on the Abajo area.

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This southern portion, which is the last mile.

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And this one folks know that this board, which is on the flight control board, is working with, and we've got two supervisor Gallagher, the Ann Council member, Inavara, who's this is their district, who are working with the Baja residents. So just like Napa does.

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With any message that can impact community with community engagement, we're listening and there's neighborhood meetings and I want to thank supervisor Gallagher for her work on that.

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Let's see here. Also, just to let folks know, there's it's fairly a new formation of a green workforce coalition that I'm joining.

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This is what City Council member Beth Painter, Chris Benz, is what's

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Neppophilament now.

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And some other folks that are involved in this area of climate change and looking

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at, how can we, how can we create a workforce as a course for these in this community

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and building a green workforce as something we can do and other areas have done.

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And that's his perfect MCE has that's given grants to Marin County for a green workforce project.

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So more to come on that.

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I want to congratulate Michael Constances.

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I was invited to attend and speak at his Eagle Stickout Court of Honor.

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Well, I wouldn't spiring.

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If you ever the opportunity and you can attend an Eagle Scout Court of Honor, it's really special.

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Michael, in particular, started as it comes down when he was six years old and first grade, continued through, until he joined the Boy Scouts, and

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all the way through until he turned 18, and just where he turned 18 was given the approval to a musical project for this honor.

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It was very inspiring, so I just wanted to congratulate him.

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I did attend the Open House of a new nonprofit called the Sarah Lessley Foundation, and this is housing for women and children who have left an abusive situation and many times people will use news as a emergency shelter, which is fantastic news does incredible work and has for decades.

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So the Sarah Leslie Foundation extends housing for them for up to a year with really modest monthly rent.

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And the first three months is for you, and then I think it's like 30% or something.

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But it's on the sliding scale. It's really doable.

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It's a four bedroom for bath house. It's really nice.

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It's in the city of Napa and there's actually a detached garage.

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It also has an ADU that will also be available with some property on the side for more small housing to extend for women and children.

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One of the fallouts is when you leave an abusive relationship.

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I'm sure this is with men too with, you know, offenders.

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But I guess I can speak specifically for women is that you often lose your income.

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You also, you lose the ability to stay in this community where your family and your support and your friends are.

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So being able to have an option for victims of abuse, to have housing as they rebuild their lives and rebuild their souls, if you will, is really important.

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So I want to wish Sarah Leslie Foundation, all the luck and support from this community.

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Speaking of support, I did attend two events and I'm just mentioning this because there's a lot of work that goes.

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Now we're going to be talking about community events here later in our agenda, but there's

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a lot of work that goes behind these community events that are for nonprofits that

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serve nonprofits that meet the critical needs of our community.

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When a nonprofit goes through and they raise these funds such as Stomp and the Salvation

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Army out of the fire, they're raising hundreds of thousands sometimes millions of dollars

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for people in our community to benefit from.

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So I just want to thank them and congratulate them

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for a two-grade event site and to thank you.

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Okay, thank you for those informative updates.

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Supervisor Control.

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Thank you, Chair.

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I wanted to report out on two board meetings I attended

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first for RCRC, the rural county representatives of California

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and also CSAC which is the California State Association

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of counties. The first represents 40 rural counties in the second is all 58 counties. This last week

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both boards considered a range of the propositions that will be on the ballot coming up this fall.

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RCRC did not take positions on them. C-SAC took positions on three that I wanted to share with the board.

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First, proposition one that will authorize bonds for housing affordability programs. You know that's

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going to be really important.

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In our county and throughout California, CSAC took a support position on that proposition, on proposition 3, which would provide permanent funding for schools and healthcare by extending and existing tax on high income earners.

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So that's not a new tax, it's a continuation of the tax, and it's really key for

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public schools across the state.

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And so CSEC took a support position on that one as well.

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And the final one is Proposition 43, which would limit voters ability to raise revenues for local

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government services by increasing the threshold that a citizen's initiative would have to meet

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from what it is right now, which is a majority to a two-thirds majority.

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So significantly raised that CSAC took an opposed position on that.

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So I wanted to share those updates with you.

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We also had a lot of discussion in both board meetings about

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proposed changes to wildfire liability,

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and also local government's ability to recover for damaged infrastructure.

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there's a strong coalition right now between those two groups and also the League of Cities has been a critical partner there too.

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And to me that's I think an important partner that we don't often look to as a county.

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So I'm looking to supervisor or less you because I know you've been quite involved in that.

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So I think there's looking forward to more we could do there.

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Also, was able to attend stomped this weekend and congrats to the grape growers for how much money they raised in support of the farm worker foundation, which provides really critical training and education for our farm worker population.

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And we had a very small fire in District 3 on Sunday on Con Valley Road.

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It brought out both ground and air support.

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I wanted to thank the Napa County Fire Department.

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And also the St. Lena Fire Department and other up Valley crews were there too.

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We have both volunteers and career firefighters there.

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And there was a quick fire retardant drop too.

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So reminding everyone to stay vigilant.

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That's all I have.

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Thank you.

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Okay, very good. Thank you. Supervisor Bichelle. Supervisor Ramas.

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Thank you so much for report out. Just did owe to a supervisor could trial on the CSAC executive committee meeting that took place last. Sorry, the CSAC board of directors meeting that took place last week. I also attended the CSAC executive committee on August 13th.

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Supervisor Manfree, and I attended the Programming and Allications Committee for MTC, the

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Bata Oversight Committee in the ABAC Housing Committee, and the Bafa Oversight Committee,

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a lot of acronyms, and last Friday I also attended the Joint MTC ABAC Legislation

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committee,

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the and and also the ABAC executive board and the ACFA governing board, it was my first meeting in immediate past president. It is the greatest title. I will just say that. Next, I did want to report out to my colleagues at an opportunity to attend the press conference for fixed date route 37 on the 19th and

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happy to report that the California Transportation Commission did

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in fact fund the Tully Creek Bridge Replacement, which is truly an

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environmentally superior bridge replacement that allows for fish

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passage that is not allowed through the tons of concrete that we have

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in place right now. And so we are on our way while we have lots of

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funding to break together to make this all work. I'm really

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exciting to see a unanimous support from the California Transportation Commission. I wanted to

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invite all my colleagues to the last meet me in the street, which is we're adding one. So it's

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an September 9th. We're not going to have another meeting before then. It's from 5 to 8. And you can

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find me straddling between my district booth and also for each will be having its open house

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at meet me in the street. And we're trying to figure out how in fact we get some some animals there.

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little. It's a little peculiar with foods, so we're figuring that one out if it could be a

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tick-in or a bunny. And then one referral over to, let me just say two items. So when I'd like to

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request a proclamation recognizing Mayor Sedgley, he is receiving the first Molly's Angel's

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Community Impact Award that will pre-present it on Friday's September 18. So I'd like to be able to

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We were able to present a proclamation to them at that event and I'm asking for that referral.

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The next one, we did receive a comment regarding Knoxville Road.

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And I had the opportunity to tour Knoxville Road with Captain Thompson of the Sheriff's Office.

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It was recommended I'd take by the constituent of, I believe it's in District 3, recommended I'd take my personal car.

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I opted not to. That was a very smart choice to not take my own personal car. I have had a conversation. I know many of us have had the opportunity to look at this road and I have had a conversation with the CEO and also much as a referral as much as maybe it's an opportunity for us to come back and to really look at those roadways that while they may not be volume serving, they serve a critical emergency role for us in the county.

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And we had a great focus and emphasis on this after the 2017 fires.

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And I think working with fire and the fire marshals office and OES, it would be helpful for us to kind of understand.

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Mapping wise, what those priorities of those roadways are and what the conditions of those roadways are so that we can truly have a plan as opposed to a patch and seal,

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because some of these roads are definitely beyond the patch and seal.

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That's all. Thanks. Okay. Thank you, Supervisor Ramos. As my announcements are, as Supervisor

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Ramos mentioned, August 12th, MTC committee meetings, nothing really to elaborate. We're

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mostly looking at regional projects funding in this committee meetings. On the 17th, I attended

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of that prevailing waste management agency with Supervisor Control and the 21st, the California State Association of Counties Sigma working group with Supervisor Control and I found that to be a very eliminating meeting just seeing how other counties are working through their fee roll outs and some of the problems they're encountering and it's certainly it's certainly a topic of a lot of discussion statewide and it's it's interesting just to compare how it's going here with with other look.

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on the 24th of August, I also attended the UC Agnatural Resources, UC Extension discussion

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about how the UC might be more active in informing up County about their, through their

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connections to the science community and also how they might more actively participate in our

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water planning and agricultural planning processes.

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And that was a very good discussion.

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And yeah, just looking forward to that one very much,

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is to how that plays out.

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I also attended with Supervisor Petrell,

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a meeting with Lake County Supervisor Jessica Pyska,

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about home hardening.

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And that was also really interesting to see

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how Lake County is channeling funding for home hardening

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into dense, like clustered remote neighborhoods

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to make them more fire resilient and I'm looking forward to that discussion continuing as well.

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And as Supervisor Control mentioned, we had a fire on Sunday afternoon in this county and

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it was not a huge disaster thanks to all of the preparation and quick response from our fire

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community. So I want to thank you very much for that. And I will also mention that it is very dry out in

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right now, and luckily we haven't had any wind events just yet, but everyone should have their go bags packed.

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They should be prepared for fires because this is the time of year one. It gets very, very serious.

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And if we have, if we have, implement weather conditions, it can get bad pretty fast.

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So just sobering reminder about that level of risk that we, we face in this community.

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And that I believe concludes board announcements and we are going to move on to item 8 which is discussion of items.

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Oh wait, I think we should take a comfort break actually.

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Before oh wait oh wait I'm sorry after this.

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Let's do this and then take a comfort break because I expect the things that come after this to be quite long.

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Thanks.

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So, so discussion of items pulled from the consent calendar, we're going to start with item 5B, which is, except in file, the report summarizing the results of internal audit review of NAPA County's 2025 County Wife Lumpsdam and other compensation.

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And I welcome our auditor controller Tracy Schultzie to discuss to start us off on the discussion of this item.

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Thank you. Good morning. Tracy shows the other controller. This folder is the backup for item 5A, which I was expecting questions.

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And so I would happy to answer any questions you have on five B.

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Thank you so much. I definitely do appreciate the thorough work and senior, your backup folder there,

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give me great confidence in the work that you have presented to us. And my question really comes

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down to not so much of what is in here, but what I don't see in here. And so looking at government

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because such in 53, 891, I didn't see any specific language

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as to signing bonuses.

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And I don't see any guidance necessarily as to how

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signing bonuses are accounted for if it's separate

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from salary, it's not hersable.

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So it would seem to me logically to fit into a lump sum category,

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but it's not presented here. And so my question is, is it here and I just missed it or how do we

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account for the reporting of signing bonuses in these types of reports? Sure. As the report states,

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there's about 38 pay codes that we audited. Signing bonus is one of them. We did select one

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sample for the sample size for that. And there is a policy. I believe all the personnel

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policies are section 37 of the county policy. So within we also we audit based on state law

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we also audit on payroll rules and of course our county policies. So the signing bonus there

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is a policy for special hard to fill positions. And believe it came out of the need for

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correctional officers and sheriff deputies and some other heart to fill positions in health

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and human services like psychiatrists and so forth. The sample that we pulled for this audit

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was for health and human services mental health counselor. And the audit really just goes through

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and makes sure that it conforms to the policy. So the approvals were done. The position was assigned

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as a high risk or a difficult to fill position so that is part of this policy. The other caveat

411
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:19,380
to be between those is also that the CEO and the HR director have the ability to assign

412
00:42:19,380 --> 00:42:26,300
hard to fill positions to provide the signing bonus as well. Okay, and thank you. That is very,

413
00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:34,820
very helpful. I will say, you know, we certainly through our difficulties in hiring through

414
00:42:34,820 --> 00:42:39,360
the sheriff's office, corrections, mental health counselors,

415
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:45,500
there's been a, there's definitely a specific type of position

416
00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:51,520
that in fact these sign-on bonuses have, I have been utilized

417
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:56,420
for marketing of these positions. I think separate from this,

418
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,980
it would be very helpful for us and I don't know, I would leave that by way of

419
00:43:00,980 --> 00:43:06,180
for all of the CEO and to the auditor controller to figure out if it would be appropriate to

420
00:43:06,180 --> 00:43:12,560
have an internal audit or to just have a report out of what has been the success rate. We've

421
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:18,300
been doing this for a while. What is the amount I know for the sheriff's deputies? We started

422
00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:30,960
at a much lower amount and I think now we have an up to 30,000 on sheriff deputies on those

423
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:40,520
very helpful for us to understand what we have offered, what has worked, and also to understand

424
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:48,660
where are those signing bonuses competitively? Because I'm sure others see the signs on the

425
00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:54,300
freeways. I feel like it's always a race to the top for signing bonuses coming from

426
00:43:54,300 --> 00:44:00,400
Contercostal County. We are not Contercostal County, but certainly that is a competitive market for us.

427
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:09,300
I would leave that by way of referral. I have no other questions in this report itself, but I do think we need to look at the efficacy of our siding bonuses going forward.

428
00:44:12,570 --> 00:44:15,610
Okay, thank you. Super Resuramos and Auditor Controller, Chelsea.

429
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:20,590
So are we watching what will come and then I'll make motion for right out.

430
00:44:21,770 --> 00:44:25,050
So at this time, I welcome public comment from anyone in the room.

431
00:44:26,110 --> 00:44:27,850
I'm seeing none. Is there anyone on the phone?

432
00:44:28,510 --> 00:44:30,990
No. Okay. Then I welcome a motion.

433
00:44:30,990 --> 00:44:33,970
I'll make a motion to approve item 5B.

434
00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:34,590
I'll second.

435
00:44:34,910 --> 00:44:36,770
Okay, we have a motion from Supervisor Ramos.

436
00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:38,470
A second from Vice Chair, Alessio.

437
00:44:38,990 --> 00:44:40,050
All those in favor?

438
00:44:40,350 --> 00:44:40,610
Aye.

439
00:44:40,910 --> 00:44:41,930
Aye. That passes unanimously.

440
00:44:42,430 --> 00:44:43,370
Thank you very much.

441
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:47,030
And we are moving on to item 5B.

442
00:44:50,290 --> 00:44:51,210
Get there to read it out.

443
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:54,770
So item 5B is a point of the of a.

444
00:44:55,070 --> 00:44:58,350
A slate of members to the airport advisory commission with terms

445
00:44:58,350 --> 00:44:59,150
commencing immediately.

446
00:44:59,150 --> 00:44:59,310
Really?

447
00:44:59,790 --> 00:44:59,970
Yeah.

448
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,320
And this is seven seats, representing the General Public Chamber of Commerce, Napa County Airport,

449
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:17,060
pilot's group, local education industry, and wine hospitality industry. And so at this time,

450
00:45:17,580 --> 00:45:26,300
I would say if staff could join us in case there are questions about this or just open up the items.

451
00:45:26,300 --> 00:45:28,760
So let's see, is Steve letter here?

452
00:45:29,580 --> 00:45:34,140
Do you want to come up just because I have a feeling

453
00:45:34,140 --> 00:45:35,240
this is going to be a conversation?

454
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,820
So is there anything you'd like to tell us

455
00:45:37,820 --> 00:45:42,400
about the process for this item starting off?

456
00:45:43,060 --> 00:45:43,380
Yeah.

457
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,520
Steve letter republic works.

458
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:52,740
There's a regular process for appointing committee members

459
00:45:52,740 --> 00:46:00,180
to various commissions. This process at the request of the Board and the CEO was done slightly

460
00:46:00,180 --> 00:46:09,320
differently. There was a committee selected to interview the committee members. I think primarily

461
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:16,300
because all of the committee members had actually expired, so we actually had technically had

462
00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:25,100
and on the commission. So, some of the, it's pretty typical for existing commission members to review

463
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:31,860
potential future members. But again, in this case, all of our members had expired. So,

464
00:46:31,940 --> 00:46:39,100
it was a slightly different process. So, the board and the CEO asked that an independent committee

465
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:48,920
separate from the AAC, the airport advisory commission, and separate from the airport review

466
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,540
the potential candidate.

467
00:46:53,020 --> 00:47:01,060
So myself as a director of public works, Michael Klein and representing the CEO's office,

468
00:47:01,060 --> 00:47:09,140
and Todd Walker, who was a former AAC member, currently on the airport land use commission,

469
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:15,040
the ALUC, which is a separate body. So anyway, the committee formed and interviewed the

470
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:24,660
people who would apply in several cases. There was only one applicant for a particular position

471
00:47:24,660 --> 00:47:45,880
And for the public, there were actually more applicants than there were places, ultimately the committee made those recommendations, although at the end of the day, of course, the AAC is an advisory commission to the board and the board ultimately determines who they want on that advisory commission.

472
00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:55,940
I did see several public comments who disagreed with a written position of one of the candidates.

473
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,440
I will say that it's not at all unusual.

474
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:10,300
I think I think it's fair to say speaking for my fellow committee members that we didn't necessarily agree with all of the positions of all of the candidates.

475
00:48:10,300 --> 00:48:13,020
But that wasn't what we were trying to select.

476
00:48:13,780 --> 00:48:16,740
We were trying to select people who had knowledge,

477
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:24,880
who were interested, who would provide value in that advisory process.

478
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,460
And that was not necessarily the people that we just agreed with,

479
00:48:28,460 --> 00:48:29,940
or who just agreed with us.

480
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:34,360
So the Commission's recommendations are in the report.

481
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:39,580
And beyond that, I guess I'm happy to answer any questions as to

482
00:48:39,580 --> 00:48:45,540
what the committee did, and I'm sure the clerk in the board would be happy to answer any questions on the

483
00:48:45,540 --> 00:48:47,890
process of selecting committee members in general.

484
00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:54,980
Okay, thank you, Mr. Letter, for that introduction. I welcome any discussion or questions from my colleagues.

485
00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:59,600
I see a supervisor Gallagher, and then after that, Vice Chair Alessia.

486
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:09,560
Yeah, I actually do have some comments, but I do think it would be important if there are people in the

487
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,460
can respond to that. Okay, that is a very good request. So at this time, I'll welcome

488
00:49:13,460 --> 00:49:18,540
public comment from anyone in the room. If you'd like to come up to the mic, anyone who

489
00:49:18,540 --> 00:49:20,620
wishes to comment will have three minutes.

490
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:26,140
I'm not seeing anyone. Is there anyone on the phones?

491
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:29,320
Oh, okay, welcome.

492
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,820
Good morning, chair and honorable supervisors. My name is May

493
00:49:37,820 --> 00:49:45,220
and I live at the Napa Yacht Club and supervise the Gallagher. I want to thank you for your

494
00:49:45,220 --> 00:49:53,980
response to my letter and I note that you and your staff work weekends. So thank you for being

495
00:49:53,980 --> 00:49:59,980
always on there for us, and I have just took...

496
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:22,080
I don't necessarily disagree with the appointment of Jason Johnson, but his stance is very ill informed because I think it reflects that he does not know that the airport, the NEPA airport is a class two airport.

497
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:40,260
We are not equipped for regional, or national planes flying overboard, and I can tell you that personally, my family and I have lived in the Napa Yarta since 1990 when this subdivision was built.

498
00:50:40,260 --> 00:50:45,020
So, we know about the noise and what happens there.

499
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,360
And as I said in my letter to you, sometimes I'm walking up at 3 a.m. in the morning.

500
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:53,420
And what is all this about? There's not an emergency.

501
00:50:53,420 --> 00:50:55,720
It's not in comment whether.

502
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:03,740
And this is very disruptive, not just to neighborhood, but also to schools and hospitals.

503
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:06,320
So,

504
00:51:08,580 --> 00:51:22,260
I would like the board to take a look at this that the appointments committee might not be aware of the airport being a class two airport and this is totally inappropriate.

505
00:51:22,260 --> 00:51:47,460
And the other comment I want to make is, I want to thank supervisor Ramos for being at the AAC meeting last week, last month, where Mark with so made a comment and I think he said the ugly part out loud and I'm glad he did that.

506
00:51:47,460 --> 00:51:55,480
He said, all the complaints, all the noise complaints were 87 complaints, and they were from the same people.

507
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:01,480
So in his opinion, all these 87 comments can be collapsed.

508
00:52:01,740 --> 00:52:05,620
He used this word, can be collapsed down one complaint.

509
00:52:06,740 --> 00:52:10,080
So virtually he's saying that all these people can be ignored.

510
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:22,680
So, I am saying that as staff, his job is just to report fairly and honestly about what happens and not to put his finger on the pulse.

511
00:52:23,300 --> 00:52:29,820
Okay, he is not allowed to do that, and he's done that, so I just want you to be attention to what's happening.

512
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,800
Thank you very much.

513
00:52:32,780 --> 00:52:37,540
Thank you, Ms. Infeldt. Are there any other public comments on the side of today?

514
00:52:38,220 --> 00:52:40,160
Not seeing anyone.

515
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:42,900
Oh, yes, Mr. Letter.

516
00:52:48,170 --> 00:52:49,950
I probably shouldn't have gone that far away.

517
00:52:50,730 --> 00:52:54,650
Just a comment on the, if you will, the status of the airport.

518
00:52:55,350 --> 00:53:00,070
We, you have a general aviation airport that does not allow commercial service.

519
00:53:00,210 --> 00:53:04,910
It's never been the policy of the board to go in that direction.

520
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:13,990
in order to allow full, what also a full commercial service that JSX is, and that sort of

521
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:18,770
services, what's called a part 380, it's allowed at general aviation airports less than 30

522
00:53:18,770 --> 00:53:26,030
seats, but the concept of full commercial operation would require millions of dollars of security

523
00:53:26,030 --> 00:53:32,790
investments, TSA type investments, and that's not in the board policy. So if the board wanted to

524
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:37,610
So in that direction, they could, but that's never been the direction of the board in one

525
00:53:37,610 --> 00:53:42,510
opinion of one AAC member, probably is unlikely to change that.

526
00:53:42,830 --> 00:53:44,570
But we are general aviation airport.

527
00:53:46,270 --> 00:53:46,650
Okay.

528
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:47,230
Thank you.

529
00:53:49,150 --> 00:53:49,750
All right.

530
00:53:49,930 --> 00:53:53,490
Then I'm going to go ahead and bring it back to my colleagues for discussion, Supervisor Gallagher.

531
00:53:54,490 --> 00:53:55,250
Thank you.

532
00:53:55,770 --> 00:53:59,790
And thank you, Mr. Letter, for explaining the process.

533
00:53:59,790 --> 00:54:08,830
And also, you're experiencing on the committee and I really am just going to kind of amplify that.

534
00:54:09,850 --> 00:54:16,170
So I think it's a, I received a lot of comments on this from people in my district, so I want to make sure that I respond.

535
00:54:17,390 --> 00:54:24,170
It's important for everyone to understand that this is an advisory committee and it has no independent decision making authority.

536
00:54:24,170 --> 00:54:33,190
So, you know, the board makes the decisions, this commission can advise us, but it doesn't make decisions about the airport.

537
00:54:34,990 --> 00:54:44,930
The bylaws of the committee set out what sectors should be represented on the committee, and that includes two general public seats.

538
00:54:44,930 --> 00:54:50,790
So this particular position is someone to represent the chamber of commerce.

539
00:54:51,930 --> 00:54:59,970
And so I think it's reasonable to assume that that person is going to have a...

540
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:18,380
Local Chamber point of view. So, every member on the committee is not expected as Mr. Letters alluded to, to agree to one perspective. The point of having an airport advisory committee is to have that cross-sector representation.

541
00:55:18,380 --> 00:55:28,540
And I'm sure that everyone on the committee has different opinions about the airport and about the direction the airport may or may not go.

542
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:36,480
Based on their individual experience, but also based on the group that they have to represent.

543
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:44,920
So I don't think that this is, you know, this is something that we need to be concerned about.

544
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:57,840
if you don't agree with that person's position, that's okay, you know someone else may not agree with another commissioner's position and that's the beauty of having

545
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:06,520
every perspective in the room. So, and I think also it's really important to understand that there wasn't independent committee that

546
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:12,880
interviewed and did recommend the candidate. So I just think that we need needed to kind of set

547
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:19,320
it straight in terms of helping people understand the process, but also the thinking behind how the

548
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:27,560
committee is how it's together. So those are just my comments. Okay, thank you supervisor Gallagher,

549
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:33,360
Super Vice Chair, Leslie, and then after that, I see Supervisor Ramos.

550
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:35,960
Thank you.

551
00:56:36,740 --> 00:56:40,560
And thank you, Supervisor Gallagher, for kind of going through that.

552
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,060
I think that was really informative and helpful.

553
00:56:43,740 --> 00:56:47,740
And that this committee is an advisory committee to the Board of Supervisors.

554
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:52,060
I want to thank all nine applicants to that applied.

555
00:56:52,820 --> 00:56:56,020
Public service is, we don't take that for granted.

556
00:56:56,020 --> 00:57:00,060
we appreciate people that do apply and for this panel

557
00:57:00,060 --> 00:57:03,260
for making the decision, I'm narrowing it from mind to seven.

558
00:57:04,660 --> 00:57:08,140
To me, it looks like a strong committee.

559
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:15,120
So with good representation, we know that there are concerns

560
00:57:15,780 --> 00:57:20,980
about the noise that has a change of flight path

561
00:57:20,980 --> 00:57:24,640
that the FAA approved, that the flight path is outside

562
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:32,500
of our jurisdiction. But the flight times might be within our jurisdiction. And Mr. Letter,

563
00:57:33,060 --> 00:57:39,980
not getting off topic and this may be something we bring back in the future. But is this

564
00:57:39,980 --> 00:57:45,060
commission looking at flight times and maybe what the commission can make a recommendation

565
00:57:45,060 --> 00:57:51,380
to the Board of Supervisors? So there isn't the one AM 2 AM 3 AM disruptions for people

566
00:57:51,380 --> 00:57:58,000
middle of night that we limit the flight time because I do believe that's within our power

567
00:57:59,100 --> 00:58:07,440
to narrow down in terms of the potential disruption. Other airports have done that.

568
00:58:07,780 --> 00:58:14,800
Small airports, especially. That impact, you know, residents. I would need to check on

569
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:22,080
FAA regulations and our grant requirements is, as this board knows, the county owns the airport,

570
00:58:22,860 --> 00:58:31,560
but really 80% of it has been built with federal funds. So we are very reliant on and need to

571
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:38,280
be really careful about following FAA regulations. So it's something I could look at as to whether it's an

572
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:43,360
option or not. I appreciate you looking at that. San Jose has restrictions and I believe Orange County

573
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:49,080
resources just as a couple. And again, that's that was been narrowed down by the local jurisdiction

574
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:55,940
versus the FAA. But if you look into that again, we're very different airports. But we can

575
00:58:55,940 --> 00:59:01,460
we can look at what the rules are. Oh, I see we have some Sabrina. That's a probably has it for me.

576
00:59:01,460 --> 00:59:06,000
Good morning. Yeah, Sabrina Wolfson, Deputy County Council and I'm happy to answer that question

577
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:11,520
in that federal law as well as the grant assurances that go along with the grant money that the airport

578
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:32,200
receives prohibit the airport from discriminating against airlines. I mean, sorry, flight times and things like that and restricting it. So as I understand, there was a FAA approval process, but the FAA has never approved those types of things in any restrictions on flight times are purely voluntary. So those are like fly friendly programs.

579
00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:41,200
Okay, so there's really nothing that we can adopt to a gear locally based on what you

580
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:46,440
know basically we need to continue work with the FAA and or the commission the committee

581
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:53,660
camp. As I understand any measures that would restrict flight times or limit if them would

582
00:59:53,660 --> 00:59:59,020
be purely voluntary so they could ask the pilots to abide by those but it's voluntary camp

583
00:59:59,020 --> 00:59:59,540
mandatory.

584
01:00:03,260 --> 01:00:29,500
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And just trying to bring this back to the item that is before us, which is the appointment to the airport advisory commission. I appreciate the questions that have been asked. I think this is an item that is of great public interest and importance. And so we should really not be talking about the.

585
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:36,160
the flight path and times on an item that hasn't been properly noticed in that way.

586
01:00:36,660 --> 01:00:45,020
What I will say, I appreciate as supervisor Gallagher kind of sharing the perspective of what

587
01:00:45,020 --> 01:00:50,540
the role is here of the Advisory Commission, and I will say to my colleagues, I do sit at every

588
01:00:50,540 --> 01:00:56,060
single meeting. I have that there at every single meeting for 10 years. If I can't go, my assistant goes.

589
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:03,440
We are never unrepresentative as in we the board are never unrepresentative there at the airport advisory commission.

590
01:01:06,350 --> 01:01:15,350
The role of the commission is not to flight paths and flight times.

591
01:01:15,850 --> 01:01:18,830
We made that very clear and we took that back from the commission.

592
01:01:19,390 --> 01:01:22,330
We did have a noise working group and we took it back.

593
01:01:22,430 --> 01:01:24,950
That rest solely with this board.

594
01:01:26,110 --> 01:01:44,350
In the past, there were concerns and very, very well-publicized our fixed-based operator process and contract negotiations, that too, was not an airport advisory commission item, that was solely for the sport.

595
01:01:44,350 --> 01:01:56,370
When you look at truly what the Commission is tasked to do, the Commission is tasked to

596
01:01:56,370 --> 01:02:03,450
advise airport management, but again airport management works for this board by and through

597
01:02:03,450 --> 01:02:11,410
the Director of Public Works. The Commission is supposed to promote aviation and I think that

598
01:02:11,410 --> 01:02:17,710
the most important function is understanding these are people who are pilots they are

599
01:02:17,710 --> 01:02:24,330
recreational they come in for for business use and they use our airport and they inform

600
01:02:24,330 --> 01:02:32,090
management what's working and what's not it's an opportunity for them when the tower decides to show up

601
01:02:32,090 --> 01:02:37,390
for them to communicate with the tower what's working what's not to communicate with our fixed-based

602
01:02:37,390 --> 01:02:43,090
operators. That has been incredibly helpful because we now have two fixed

603
01:02:43,930 --> 01:02:49,690
operators. It's also an opportunity to facilitate at our last meeting

604
01:02:49,690 --> 01:02:55,550
Travis Air Force Base, who manages the airfield around Travis Air Force

605
01:02:55,550 --> 01:03:02,230
Base and provides connectors in an air route, gave a presentation of what is

606
01:03:02,230 --> 01:03:07,210
helpful to them to maintain safety and how they can help better landings and

607
01:03:07,210 --> 01:03:15,750
efficiency of landings and takeoffs at the Napa County Airport. All of those things really are

608
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:22,870
how we create a great synergy at the airport, how we ensure the sustainability and the longevity

609
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:31,090
of the airport itself. But I want to stress what's really important is that all decisions regarding

610
01:03:32,030 --> 01:03:37,070
interactions with the FAA, all decisions regarding what happens on the ground,

611
01:03:37,150 --> 01:03:44,850
rest entirely with this board. The Commission meets six times a year, and I can guarantee

612
01:03:44,850 --> 01:03:52,390
you and Council knows it. If I see something that is not going right, I will 911 one of the

613
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:58,950
lawyers at County Councils and say I need you. Sabrina's been there with us and is at the meetings

614
01:03:58,950 --> 01:04:04,750
and provides guidance as to what is within the purview of the commission and what is not.

615
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:12,670
I just wanted to acknowledge the comment you made in regards to the complaints and the

616
01:04:13,870 --> 01:04:16,530
the sources of the complaints.

617
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:18,850
I hear you.

618
01:04:19,770 --> 01:04:23,690
I understand the frustration with that.

619
01:04:24,130 --> 01:04:28,070
I've spoken to staff about the concerns about that.

620
01:04:29,230 --> 01:04:30,010
And you're right.

621
01:04:30,790 --> 01:04:35,410
It doesn't minimize the effect of the concern.

622
01:04:35,870 --> 01:04:38,230
We, in fact, asked people to call us.

623
01:04:38,370 --> 01:04:40,490
So I just want to acknowledge that comment.

624
01:04:40,490 --> 01:04:46,330
The Airborne Commission provides us a great opportunity to know what works at the airport.

625
01:04:47,550 --> 01:04:48,110
And that's it.

626
01:04:48,650 --> 01:04:53,510
But even the public comment that's coming about the flight noise.

627
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:58,610
I would say the Airborne Commission is being kind to listen to it.

628
01:04:58,610 --> 01:04:59,970
That's solely rest with this board.

629
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:29,020
Decision wise and the end by and through the consultant that we have hired through Kaufman and Associates. So I just wanted to kind of clarify where we're at and certainly I appreciate the questions regarding what we're able to do and not do, but I would certainly ask staff to bring that as a separate item that can be properly noticed so that people can know when we are going to be talking about flight path matters. Thank you.

630
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,000
Thank you, Supervisor.

631
01:05:32,540 --> 01:05:33,360
Thank you, Supervisor.

632
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:34,760
I'm almost Supervisor Control.

633
01:05:36,700 --> 01:05:37,120
Thank you.

634
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,140
I really appreciate these comments.

635
01:05:39,540 --> 01:05:42,940
And just want to echo what a lot of what I've heard.

636
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:44,000
First of all,

637
01:05:44,460 --> 01:05:45,440
Supervisor Gallagher.

638
01:05:45,620 --> 01:05:48,000
I appreciate you walking through,

639
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:49,500
you know,

640
01:05:49,820 --> 01:05:50,940
the independent committee.

641
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:52,420
Excuse me, the interviewing committee.

642
01:05:52,740 --> 01:05:54,740
And we've heard that from Mr.

643
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,420
Ledger, the importance of interviewing the candidate.

644
01:05:57,900 --> 01:05:59,540
So I feel good about the process

645
01:05:59,540 --> 01:06:04,780
that we have in place here, and you pointed out that the bylaws call out the different sectors

646
01:06:04,780 --> 01:06:09,740
representatives, so that there's a lot of intention there about making sure we're getting a

647
01:06:09,740 --> 01:06:18,040
broad range of folks participating in the commission. And again, supervisor LSEO thanking

648
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:23,440
all the applicants, I completely agree with that. We are always looking for volunteers to participate

649
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:29,520
in local government and here's a great opportunity. So thanks to everyone for doing that.

650
01:06:29,540 --> 01:06:35,760
and Supervisor Ramos talked about the role of the Commission to support aviation. And again,

651
01:06:35,940 --> 01:06:41,520
it's a chance for public dialogue. So really appreciate Ms. Infield coming today and

652
01:06:41,900 --> 01:06:48,540
and offering her perspective. And hopefully there's a conversation with all of these applicants

653
01:06:48,540 --> 01:06:55,280
joining. So I am supportive of the process that we've heard today and happy to make a motion

654
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:56,500
when that time is right.

655
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:57,440
Okay, thank you.

656
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,320
I'll just, that's been a lot of really good discussion.

657
01:07:02,420 --> 01:07:06,300
I will concur with thank you to all the applicants for this.

658
01:07:06,420 --> 01:07:12,160
Whether selected or not, it is a wonderful thing when people step up to take part in the public process.

659
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:19,200
And also, thanks to staff and supervisor Ramus for clarifying the boundaries.

660
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:28,260
So, I would actually really appreciate it directly letter if you could kind of recap which types

661
01:07:28,260 --> 01:07:37,820
of comments are appropriate for which channels and how a concern citizen can best communicate.

662
01:07:38,780 --> 01:07:42,060
I'll just start that off by saying we have the Operative Advisory Commission itself.

663
01:07:42,060 --> 01:07:50,040
we have a website where people can report or comment specific incidents and we also have an

664
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:54,540
airport manager and we also have this board involved and there are also several members of

665
01:07:54,540 --> 01:07:59,480
the staff of public works who there's a chain of about I think five people between the board

666
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:07,080
of supervisors and the airport I'm not the airport advisory commission but the other so yes

667
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:13,360
if you could clarify because there's actually a lot of a lot of moving pieces in this situation.

668
01:08:14,020 --> 01:08:25,800
Yeah, you actually, you actually, yeah, you actually covered it very well. There's there's the airport, yeah, there's the airport website, there's the airport advisory committee there is the board.

669
01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:33,780
Actually, only two people in the training command, the airport manager works for Lee Sharp, one of my deputy directors and Lee works for me.

670
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:42,700
So, we're not that big an organization, we could have five people between me and anybody at this stage.

671
01:08:43,540 --> 01:08:47,560
So, yeah, I mean, you hit it, there are multiple ways of commenting.

672
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:56,420
And we do think that the airport webpage, which is very specifically set up to accept that

673
01:08:56,420 --> 01:09:00,140
and all the data is captured there forever.

674
01:09:01,140 --> 01:09:05,920
And the data is the data, and anyone can parse it, however they choose to do so.

675
01:09:06,300 --> 01:09:12,940
But there are numerous ways of communicating at the end of the day, as mentioned the airport

676
01:09:12,940 --> 01:09:21,380
advisory committee is advisory to the airport manager is advisory to the board in terms of policy

677
01:09:22,380 --> 01:09:27,340
and budget and all of that at the end of the day, that book always stops with the board.

678
01:09:28,740 --> 01:09:33,300
Okay, thank you. And people can attend the airport advisory commission meetings,

679
01:09:33,500 --> 01:09:40,060
they're public. Of course. And for members of the airport advisory committee, is it appropriate

680
01:09:40,060 --> 01:09:42,790
for members of the public to meet one-on-one with them as they would with us.

681
01:09:43,940 --> 01:09:48,440
That is really up to the committee members. As long as they don't meet as a as a

682
01:09:48,440 --> 01:09:54,920
quorum, there's certainly welcome to meet with people. They're not in my experience. The airport

683
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:59,980
advisory commission members do tend to respond.

684
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:09,460
Whether by phone or by email or whatever. But it's their choices to whether they want to do that or not.

685
01:10:10,140 --> 01:10:19,220
Okay, great. And then I will say that we get some comments written. I certainly get a lot of comments that are just person to person.

686
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:26,860
And I'll say that it is helpful if the comments are written down in an email so they can be forwarded out.

687
01:10:26,860 --> 01:10:34,920
at minimum to this board, but potentially also to members of the airport probably that the

688
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:39,820
airport director specifically, but just so that they actually have an opportunity to kind of

689
01:10:39,820 --> 01:10:46,930
percolate through all the involved parties. So just encouraging anyone who cares about this issue to

690
01:10:48,300 --> 01:10:55,620
to send to send it in and writing, it helps. I will offer that I get as altithices in my district

691
01:10:55,620 --> 01:11:01,100
And also North Napa, and I'm getting a fair amount of complaints person to person on both.

692
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:04,260
I mean, this is what I'm door knocking or just out in the community of events.

693
01:11:05,260 --> 01:11:07,060
Or, you know, yeah.

694
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:15,420
So I think there's quite a lot more discussion about this going on than just the people who have time to actually navigate the websites and make a formal complaint.

695
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:25,600
This really is a, you know, I would say I'm well into the many dozens of individuals who have who have spoken to me directly about it.

696
01:11:26,940 --> 01:11:31,780
And if there's that many that I'm encountering in person, it's probably even more than that.

697
01:11:32,820 --> 01:11:37,600
So yeah, so I'll just say that I do believe it's a more broad issue.

698
01:11:38,460 --> 01:11:42,620
Community wide based on that experience and that input.

699
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:49,460
And I've also gotten the feedback recently that even with the website revamp, which I appreciate and I know it was a lot of work.

700
01:11:49,460 --> 01:11:55,460
I'm hearing that it's still a little bit clunky to find the connection to making a complaint.

701
01:11:56,060 --> 01:12:01,120
And so I would suggest maybe moving that right to the top or making it more obvious somehow.

702
01:12:03,620 --> 01:12:05,020
And what else?

703
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:07,200
I think I think those are my comments.

704
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:09,260
I think this has been a really good discussion.

705
01:12:09,460 --> 01:12:12,380
And then I don't want to go into repeating things that have already been said.

706
01:12:12,780 --> 01:12:16,620
So thank you for, yeah, thank you for all the additional information on this.

707
01:12:16,700 --> 01:12:17,500
Do you have any closing?

708
01:12:17,500 --> 01:12:34,240
I'll just mention, you said that you get comments directly anything that you want the AAC to be aware of, feel free to send to me, I'll make sure the AAC clerk receives that it can be included as public comment at the AAC meetings.

709
01:12:34,780 --> 01:12:36,240
Okay, that's a great note. Thank you.

710
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:44,880
you bet. Okay. Madam Jerome. Yes. Now I ask your permission. I'm going to put Holly on the spot.

711
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:50,160
And I would like her to ask her to come up to the podium on this topic. We have people paying

712
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:57,200
attention to tell everybody where they can go to provide information to complain, give advice,

713
01:12:57,820 --> 01:13:03,700
ask for things. Please, Holly. Thank you. Holly Dawson Chief Communications Officer. Thank you for

714
01:13:03,700 --> 01:13:09,320
opportunity. Website has been mentioned several times. We have developed a several

715
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:15,060
special public engagement platform called Connect Napa County and the URL is

716
01:13:15,060 --> 01:13:22,500
ConnectNapaCounty.gov.gov and we have an airport page there which has a lot of information

717
01:13:22,500 --> 01:13:31,160
FAQ other information but an opportunity for people to share and submit feedback about the airport

718
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:35,920
and particularly the noise issue. And that is the easiest place for people to go. So again,

719
01:13:36,900 --> 01:13:42,720
napaccounty.gov. Connectionappaccounty.gov. Thank you. Yes. Holly, if they didn't write that down,

720
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:48,480
just now, all they have to do is go to our website, which is Jubilee Napaccounty and you go to

721
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:54,340
our website and they can find that on our website. So if you, yeah, if you don't have an on you

722
01:13:54,340 --> 01:13:59,680
and can't remember that, just go to our website, which is napaccounty.gov. And on the bottom of our

723
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:13,140
website. There is a link to that website. We also featured on our social media. And when I get back to my desk, I'm going to look at the airports website section and make sure that it is highlighted there. Thank you.

724
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,020
Thank you.

725
01:14:15,020 --> 01:14:15,880
Thank you.

726
01:14:16,100 --> 01:14:18,860
Officer Dawson, I see supervisor control.

727
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:21,140
No, that was great.

728
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,240
I just, my question was just if people,

729
01:14:23,380 --> 01:14:25,940
because I used to just going to the website.

730
01:14:26,500 --> 01:14:29,340
And so, great to have that link at the bottom.

731
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,740
My suggestion to this team might be to have a link to connect

732
01:14:33,740 --> 01:14:35,980
Napa County right at the top, too.

733
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:38,600
Okay.

734
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:40,580
Welcome back, Officer Dawson.

735
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,560
There actually is a banner ad at the very top of the website

736
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:47,400
that does highlight connect to Napa County.

737
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:57,340
and I'd like to mention that. Thank you. Okay. Okay, on where are we? So we've taken public comment.

738
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:58,840
We've just dressed this at life.

739
01:14:59,080 --> 01:14:59,980
Terrific. Yeah. I like it.

740
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:07,100
And make time motion to approve the slate of selected appointed committee members.

741
01:15:07,220 --> 01:15:11,780
Thank you. Second that. Okay, so I have a motion by Vice Chair, LSEO, and a second by Supervisor

742
01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:19,460
Kitchfrell, all those in favor. Aye. That passes unanimously. Thank you for your lively discussion.

743
01:15:20,340 --> 01:15:26,220
Okay, so at this time, I will let us take a comfort break. And we'll return to here to public hearings.

744
01:15:26,220 --> 01:15:32,580
And I'm 9A is temporary event ordinances, so I look forward to that discussion.

745
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:33,100
Thank you.

746
01:30:29,710 --> 01:30:58,170
Okay, welcome back from our brief break. There, we are on item 9 public hearings. We are hearing item 9A, introduction and intent to adopt an ordinance of the NAPA County Board of Supervisors amending chapter 5.36 temporary events of the NAPA County Code relating to the application processing and noticing of requirements for temporary events in NAPA County section 18.10.020.

747
01:30:59,190 --> 01:31:05,990
And I welcome our planning director, Brad Bordona, to introduce the topic and the report from

748
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:06,390
staff.

749
01:31:07,410 --> 01:31:07,670
Good morning.

750
01:31:07,970 --> 01:31:10,430
Thank you, Chair Man, for you members of the board.

751
01:31:10,750 --> 01:31:14,690
I'm joined here today with Charlene Galena and Caleb McMahon.

752
01:31:15,410 --> 01:31:20,830
I just want to enter this item out and just recognize and acknowledge that the proposed amendments

753
01:31:20,830 --> 01:31:25,490
that are here before you today are a culmination of a two-year collaborative process involved

754
01:31:25,490 --> 01:31:30,930
the event organizers, community, and industry stakeholders, non-profits, and county departments.

755
01:31:31,710 --> 01:31:36,430
This effort also reflects the significant work of staff across multiple departments to evaluate

756
01:31:36,430 --> 01:31:41,210
existing practices, respond to stakeholder feedback, and develop practical improvements

757
01:31:41,210 --> 01:31:43,130
to the ordinance and to the manual.

758
01:31:44,210 --> 01:31:48,270
Importantly, the definition of what constitutes a temporary event is not changing.

759
01:31:49,090 --> 01:31:53,310
The amendments do not expand the activities required to permit, a modernized and streamlined

760
01:31:53,310 --> 01:31:59,030
the process for events are already subject to the ordinance. Temporary events are also separate and distinct

761
01:31:59,030 --> 01:32:03,910
from winery marketing events, which are governed by a winery's use permit and improve marketing

762
01:32:03,910 --> 01:32:08,350
plan. With that, I will pass it off to Charlene McKayla.

763
01:32:10,790 --> 01:32:17,130
Thank you. Good morning. We are finally here. We just talked about this McKayla and I started this project

764
01:32:17,130 --> 01:32:24,370
in October 2023 when she first came and we had a first meeting and so it's finally come to

765
01:32:24,370 --> 01:32:29,790
tuition here about at least presenting it to the board for your review and consideration.

766
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:41,460
So, the first temporary event ordinance was adopted by the board in 1971 and the purpose

767
01:32:41,460 --> 01:32:47,540
was to regulate license outdoor festivals. Then the comprehensive update to the

768
01:32:47,540 --> 01:32:55,940
that came in 2006, along with adopting the temporary events manual and the application packet.

769
01:32:59,340 --> 01:33:05,080
And it was to provide guidance for applicants of middle and review of applications and

770
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:11,240
issuance of an event license by multiple reviewing agencies. After receiving board

771
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:18,360
direction in 2018 to conduct a comprehensive update to the temporary event ordinance to extend

772
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:27,120
review timelines from 60 to 90 days and to build in code enforcement process staff started their work

773
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:36,540
in 2023 and we started meeting with the agencies in 2024 after figuring out and looking at

774
01:33:36,540 --> 01:33:46,600
other event ordinances throughout the North Bay. Delays did occur in this effort due to

775
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:52,760
doing the circumstances highlighted in the staff report and competing priorities.

776
01:33:53,220 --> 01:33:56,720
So why do we have, why are we updating it?

777
01:33:56,800 --> 01:34:01,080
Because of the board direction, we have new federal and state requirements.

778
01:34:01,780 --> 01:34:04,020
We have evolving county regulations.

779
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:07,940
We have more and more complex event operations.

780
01:34:08,300 --> 01:34:10,440
And we have the tools to do it today.

781
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:13,280
Technology and online permitting tools.

782
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:24,100
And there's a changing community expectations regarding temporary events, and we have two decades of experience of what works and what doesn't.

783
01:34:24,260 --> 01:34:34,220
The goal is to give applicants clear answers early while giving county agencies the time and information they need to conduct sufficient review.

784
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:41,280
So, our opportunity to modernize, like Brian said, the temporary of that process, providing

785
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:45,260
a clear, more predictable and user-friendly process.

786
01:34:46,020 --> 01:34:53,360
Like I said, we've been looking at it since 2006, reflects two decades, makes requirements

787
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:55,840
clear, and applications more complete.

788
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:59,720
It creates a more predictable process for event organizers.

789
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:09,040
And county reviewers, and it also preserves the public noticing and opportunity for public hearing for larger events.

790
01:35:11,790 --> 01:35:21,570
What is not? And what is a temporary event? And a temporary, I'm just want to start out, a temporary event is not a marketing event.

791
01:35:21,570 --> 01:35:24,130
It's not weddings or private parties.

792
01:35:24,790 --> 01:35:28,650
It's not member only events, exclusive dinners,

793
01:35:29,010 --> 01:35:31,510
winery, club events, or marketing events,

794
01:35:32,070 --> 01:35:33,230
marketing of wine activities.

795
01:35:33,970 --> 01:35:37,090
It's not private events not open to the public

796
01:35:37,090 --> 01:35:40,810
and it doesn't include the public roadway events

797
01:35:40,810 --> 01:35:43,390
like a parade or a marathon.

798
01:35:43,890 --> 01:35:46,250
That gets processed in public works.

799
01:35:46,530 --> 01:35:49,750
And that is called a special event.

800
01:35:49,750 --> 01:35:56,390
and they have their own process in the you know spoke out temporary events include public gatherings

801
01:35:56,390 --> 01:36:03,870
involving expressive activities and it's the ambient to the to the first amendment process

802
01:36:03,870 --> 01:36:06,150
of the U.S. Constitution.

803
01:36:12,450 --> 01:36:15,270
Our temperament ordinance update is the more predictable

804
01:36:15,270 --> 01:36:24,530
streamline process one clear timeline fewer unnecessary steps we're going from 60 days to 90 days

805
01:36:25,190 --> 01:36:31,830
A deadline across, we heard the industry say that some of the larger events, we had proposed

806
01:36:31,830 --> 01:36:43,050
120 days. That was too long for them. And so we brought it back down to 90 days. And staff responded

807
01:36:43,050 --> 01:36:51,010
by proposing this single, predictable 90-day timeline. The new timeline provides agencies adequate

808
01:36:51,010 --> 01:36:58,110
time for coordinated review gives applicants time to respond to comments, allows licenses to be

809
01:36:58,110 --> 01:37:04,790
issued earlier, creates greater certainty for organizers and attendees, gives applicants more

810
01:37:04,790 --> 01:37:11,630
time to process building fire and environmental health permits or encroachment permits if require

811
01:37:11,630 --> 01:37:19,130
an allows sufficient time for public hearings if requested. It usually takes about under the 60 day

812
01:37:19,130 --> 01:37:27,510
review, it takes about 48 days to process a public hearing when it's requested or when it's

813
01:37:27,510 --> 01:37:28,090
required.

814
01:37:30,150 --> 01:37:35,870
And I like to point out to that most of the applications come in late. So 60 days

815
01:37:35,870 --> 01:37:43,650
is our timeline now, but we get a majority of them come in anywhere from 60 to 50 days so we're

816
01:37:43,650 --> 01:37:51,590
ready running behind schedule in our processing and staff did provide a timeline under the 60 days

817
01:37:51,590 --> 01:37:59,630
as one of your attachments and it just walks you through the process that it takes to get the event

818
01:38:00,210 --> 01:38:08,410
permit issue. One positive thing is that ticket sales are no longer required. They were required,

819
01:38:08,410 --> 01:38:17,870
But everyone sells tickets anyway a year in advance and this one we just recognize that it's very difficult to regulate it

820
01:38:18,250 --> 01:38:25,150
So we just decided to pull it out and not be a requirement, but it's still at the

821
01:38:25,150 --> 01:38:30,070
Organizers risk of selling those tickets because what if they didn't get the event

822
01:38:35,790 --> 01:38:40,510
Public hearings we kept and notices we kept the public access

823
01:38:40,510 --> 01:38:48,650
included in the Tampa mat. We illuminated unnecessary automatic hearings. What stays the same

824
01:38:48,650 --> 01:38:54,990
is we still have public notices. Temporary event applications remain ministerial and are not

825
01:38:54,990 --> 01:39:04,050
subject to the appeal process in chapter 2.88. Because we didn't the 60 days didn't allow us enough

826
01:39:04,050 --> 01:39:10,390
time to process through the Zoning Administrator and then go to the Board of Supervisors.

827
01:39:10,670 --> 01:39:14,650
We had an issue a few years ago with that process.

828
01:39:15,770 --> 01:39:22,230
What changes larger events with no longer automatically be set up for Zoning Administrator

829
01:39:22,230 --> 01:39:27,570
public hearing or hearing would only occur when they requested by the member of the public?

830
01:39:27,910 --> 01:39:29,030
So this is what happens.

831
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:35,930
the approach is for events of 400 people or fewer, we would send out a notice of intent to

832
01:39:35,930 --> 01:39:42,310
approve to properties within 1,000 foot radius and to the PBS's interested parties lists.

833
01:39:43,650 --> 01:39:51,390
Events over 400 and event series would stay the same as what I explained, but it gives the public

834
01:39:51,390 --> 01:39:57,510
an opportunity to request a public hearing before the zoning administrator, but it's not required

835
01:39:57,510 --> 01:39:59,970
and it just gives them that opportunity to say, we...

836
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:12,620
We would like to have a public hearing. The benefit, it avoids unnecessary staff time, applicant, preparation, hearing costs and administrative burden when no hearing is requested.

837
01:40:14,930 --> 01:40:29,930
The ordinance provides more flexibility for event organizers, late applications. Once they hit today, the 50 days, we have to say no, because we don't know provisions in the ordinance to allow them to come in.

838
01:40:29,930 --> 01:40:37,770
So we replaced that current rigid cut off with the director's discretion to accept a late application.

839
01:40:38,330 --> 01:40:44,870
It provides flexibility for legitimate reasons times sensitive or unexpected events.

840
01:40:44,970 --> 01:40:58,190
Like if we had a fire here and we wanted to do a fundraiser for fire support, they could come in with a late application with an explanation and have an event.

841
01:40:58,190 --> 01:41:06,570
also political rallies or political expression of a message that they want to make they can

842
01:41:06,570 --> 01:41:12,730
come in. Time limitations would be placed on an unreasonable restriction on the expressive

843
01:41:12,730 --> 01:41:19,670
activities and events that can be accommodated without compromising county review would most likely

844
01:41:19,670 --> 01:41:25,950
be authorized and they would be able to come in for a late application. We have a new category,

845
01:41:25,950 --> 01:41:33,970
6. It's an event series. It covers multiple events within the 30-day period. It allows qualifying

846
01:41:33,970 --> 01:41:40,910
event series to use only one application and one deposit. For example, music in the vineyards

847
01:41:40,910 --> 01:41:47,870
has several events. They would have to come in with individual applications to process depending

848
01:41:47,870 --> 01:41:54,010
on the size one or two may have to go to the zoning administrator. This way they can come in

849
01:41:54,010 --> 01:42:00,250
all at once. And if somebody wanted hearing, then we would take that packet to the zoning

850
01:42:00,250 --> 01:42:06,410
administrator. The requirements would still apply to each applicable parcel though.

851
01:42:07,470 --> 01:42:14,030
It is simpler separation requirements. We reduce the separation requirement. It's very

852
01:42:14,030 --> 01:42:20,250
convoluted. And we just said four days between each of it. And that gives a rest for the public

853
01:42:20,250 --> 01:42:24,770
and allows people to not be inundated with events.

854
01:42:27,020 --> 01:42:33,000
Now, I'm going to talk a little bit about the manual that we propose.

855
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:35,220
It's modern, user-friendly.

856
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:37,400
We did a major overhaul.

857
01:42:37,820 --> 01:42:41,160
We invited all the agencies to help us.

858
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:43,880
This is the one that took a lot more time

859
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:48,880
because we had to make sure, and it addressed what

860
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:54,540
was currently under our regulations, both federal and local and state regulation.

861
01:42:55,300 --> 01:42:58,380
So the manual becomes the applicant's roadmap.

862
01:42:59,700 --> 01:43:02,760
It was fully revamped, accessible, modernized.

863
01:43:03,100 --> 01:43:08,740
It provides clear navigation, the submittal requirements presented first.

864
01:43:08,740 --> 01:43:10,800
Compliance requirements follow.

865
01:43:11,260 --> 01:43:15,880
It provides clear guidance on what applicants need to submit.

866
01:43:15,880 --> 01:43:23,220
It's up front information is provided about additional permits that may be required, such as

867
01:43:23,220 --> 01:43:28,740
tents, stages, generators, food services, traffic, and culture permits, et cetera.

868
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:35,520
It gives out timelines to make sure that they're not late to get those events and it provides

869
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:38,000
a comprehensive site plan checklist.

870
01:43:38,720 --> 01:43:42,640
It provides updated agency contacts and clearer coordination.

871
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:51,120
This is really key because the planning division was the only one that would be the one to answer questions and we'd have to figure out who to call now

872
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:57,260
They could call them directly and ask for clarification of what would be required of them

873
01:43:57,260 --> 01:44:04,360
So they call public works. They call the CHB. They call the sheriff's office based on what is

874
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:07,820
Identified in the manual and they get that direction

875
01:44:07,820 --> 01:44:15,050
directly from the agency rather than us putting them on hold and calling and trying to figure out.

876
01:44:15,740 --> 01:44:17,940
Planner's trying to figure out what is required.

877
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:27,860
It's a proposed as a living document reviewed and updated annual annually depending on the regulations that change.

878
01:44:33,290 --> 01:44:36,630
It's built to save applicants time and money.

879
01:44:36,630 --> 01:44:49,970
It's better information up front, fewer avoidable review cycles because the information is there they can ask questions before and before they submit their application.

880
01:44:50,750 --> 01:44:59,870
It's comprehensive site plan checklist, provides clear submittal requirements, it's more complete applications can reduce back and forth.

881
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:08,640
Review and Review cycles. Avoiding unrequested hearing can reduce staff and applicant time and associated

882
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:19,200
hourly costs. It we clarified the traffic control plan that was an issue with the public about requirements.

883
01:45:19,740 --> 01:45:28,140
And how can we allow many events to use an experience of that planner rather than a license engineer were appropriate.

884
01:45:28,140 --> 01:45:50,120
The new line application that will be processing upon an adoption of the ordinance and the manual allows the applicant, like they submit for a building permit, create an account, save applications as they go, return to applications later, reuse information from prior submissions.

885
01:45:50,120 --> 01:46:06,160
So, we don't have to dig out and are on base the prior application and send it to the applicant if they want to see it, it's right there for them to use, especially valuable for the reoccurring events.

886
01:46:07,410 --> 01:46:11,470
So, this was a very collaborative update.

887
01:46:11,590 --> 01:46:18,270
It was built by the people who used the process more than two years of outreach and collaborations.

888
01:46:18,890 --> 01:46:23,470
We worked with the organizers, we worked with the industry groups, including the nap of

889
01:46:23,470 --> 01:46:30,210
value vendors, we worked with nonprofits, every time they came in, we talked to them about the events.

890
01:46:30,310 --> 01:46:34,790
We had a whole year of processing events, and so we learned from that process.

891
01:46:34,790 --> 01:46:40,130
we asked them questions, we told them, go to our website, see our new ordinance, see what

892
01:46:40,130 --> 01:46:48,070
to think about it, give us some suggestions, and that's how we evolve the documents that

893
01:46:48,070 --> 01:46:54,410
we have today. And we also worked with the county departments and agencies, winery, hospitality,

894
01:46:54,830 --> 01:47:01,570
and advanced staff, and the board members to get all sorts of feedback for the documents that

895
01:47:01,570 --> 01:47:09,550
prepared. We incorporated public engagement, two public comment periods were held, 1 in 2025,

896
01:47:10,030 --> 01:47:18,910
1 in 2026. We had public workshops held in 25. We held a public combine in person virtual workshop

897
01:47:18,910 --> 01:47:26,430
just this past July. We solicited written and email and in person comments using both the

898
01:47:26,430 --> 01:47:33,610
sites, social media, staff responses, which is included in our public comment document,

899
01:47:33,870 --> 01:47:39,190
Excel spreadsheet. We had those were written comments, or email comments, or phone comments,

900
01:47:39,610 --> 01:47:45,870
and we provided direct responses to that and posted it on our current project explorers.

901
01:47:45,970 --> 01:47:51,310
So people could see it and we posted those documents about 10 days ago before the hearing.

902
01:47:51,310 --> 01:48:00,170
And then based on those responses, they were used for revisions to the documents.

903
01:48:01,030 --> 01:48:08,650
Today, we are asking the Board to conduct a public hearing to introduce an ordinance

904
01:48:08,650 --> 01:48:16,510
that would amend the Napa County code to address chapter 5.36 on temporary events.

905
01:48:16,510 --> 01:48:39,110
We also ask that we amend Section 18.1, 10, or 10.020 duties of the zoning administrator and also Section 18.120.0.0, exceptions to use limitations of the chapter of exceptions.

906
01:48:39,110 --> 01:48:42,790
We also asked the board to adopt a resolution

907
01:48:42,790 --> 01:48:45,270
approving the temporary events manual

908
01:48:45,270 --> 01:48:49,150
and directing that the manual and application be maintained

909
01:48:49,150 --> 01:48:52,070
by the NAPA County PBS Department.

910
01:48:53,310 --> 01:48:55,230
And then after adoption,

911
01:48:56,850 --> 01:48:59,010
or actually knows the intent to adopt,

912
01:48:59,150 --> 01:49:02,250
we will come back on the 15th for a final

913
01:49:02,250 --> 01:49:04,810
ordinance adoption by the board.

914
01:49:04,810 --> 01:49:18,470
And then after that, staff is proposing to train, to provide training with event planners and reviewing agencies on new ordinance and manual provisions and processing of applications.

915
01:49:19,450 --> 01:49:26,730
And then the effective date that staff is recommending of the ordinance is January 1st, 2027.

916
01:49:26,730 --> 01:49:32,610
We'll have the new application and manual effective for the 2027 events.

917
01:49:33,010 --> 01:49:40,390
And we'll be working with the event organizers or a transition plan that will help them

918
01:49:40,390 --> 01:49:46,970
because if we get an event in January, they need to submit prior to January.

919
01:49:47,190 --> 01:49:55,030
So we'll be providing that transition plan effort and help assistance for the review or for the review

920
01:49:55,030 --> 01:49:58,610
agencies as long and along with the applicants.

921
01:50:00,460 --> 01:50:30,280
In conclusion, I like to thank the supporting departments and agencies that assisted McKayla and I. It was a lot of effort. A lot of work, they came forward and helped us, specifically from the PBS Department, planning, building, environmental health and natural resources, county council health, the fire marshals office, the emergency medical services office, public work, staff, risk management,

922
01:50:30,460 --> 01:50:35,220
the Sheriff's Office and the California Highway Patrol, all of them, while they were

923
01:50:35,220 --> 01:50:43,340
processing temporary events permits, they were assisting us in putting together the program.

924
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:50,560
And with that, I like to share that they have attended this meeting to answer any specific

925
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:56,500
questions that you have regarding the manual and any specific requirements from their agency

926
01:50:56,500 --> 01:51:00,200
with that. Thank you very much, and we're available to answer any questions.

927
01:51:00,620 --> 01:51:06,080
Thank you for that affirmative presentation. I would just like to mention that the public hearing

928
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:12,520
has been open. I think I did not say those exact words when I started this, so my apologies.

929
01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:18,580
And at this time, I welcome any public comment on this item. If there's anyone in the room

930
01:51:18,580 --> 01:51:22,900
if you'd like to comment, please come forward to the podium and you'll have three minutes to speak.

931
01:51:27,930 --> 01:51:44,730
Welcome. Thank you, Michelle, nearly with the Napa Valley Ventures. Today's proposal reflects a very significant update from the manual and the ordinance of 2006 with many significant changes.

932
01:51:44,730 --> 01:51:53,110
I will say that this version before you today has been significantly improved from the draft

933
01:51:53,110 --> 01:51:59,990
that was made available in 2025 and includes a lot more flexibility based on a lot of the

934
01:51:59,990 --> 01:52:07,350
comments provided and so I want to acknowledge staff's work to do that and to field those

935
01:52:07,350 --> 01:52:13,850
comments and have those discussions that's very much appreciated. I don't know that I'm specifically

936
01:52:13,850 --> 01:52:20,190
asking for a change but I do want to flag for you that when I look at submitting our for our

937
01:52:20,190 --> 01:52:28,070
large annual philanthropic event I am now estimating that we will need to set aside approximately

938
01:52:28,070 --> 01:52:35,450
10 to 15 thousand dollars for the permitting fees for at least a few years associated with that and I've

939
01:52:35,450 --> 01:52:40,070
that are internal team, know that.

940
01:52:41,170 --> 01:52:45,550
Because the nonprofit fee waiver program is now non-operational,

941
01:52:45,850 --> 01:52:48,590
there will be impacts to the nonprofit community.

942
01:52:49,250 --> 01:52:51,550
And while some of the smaller events are likely to stay

943
01:52:51,550 --> 01:52:54,090
under the $2,000 deposit amount,

944
01:52:54,530 --> 01:52:56,270
it's not necessarily guaranteed.

945
01:52:56,810 --> 01:53:01,250
So I would recommend that an email to all applicants

946
01:53:01,250 --> 01:53:08,890
from the last 36 months, all non-profit applicants in the last 36 months is sent, as soon

947
01:53:08,890 --> 01:53:15,690
as everything is adopted, with three clear messages. The updated submission timeline, the new

948
01:53:15,690 --> 01:53:22,570
online system and the fact that fee waivers are no longer available. And because there are

949
01:53:22,570 --> 01:53:28,990
there is a lag between adoption and implementation, I think it's wonderful to treat the manual

950
01:53:28,990 --> 01:53:35,770
as a living document, but to also bring this subject back to the board within 12 to 18 months,

951
01:53:36,190 --> 01:53:42,270
just to discuss if further refinements are needed. Thank you again to the supervisors,

952
01:53:42,750 --> 01:53:49,510
to CEOs office, to county staff for all of your hard work on looking at this, and I appreciate

953
01:53:49,510 --> 01:53:54,850
the opportunity to share comments with you today. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Novi. Welcome.

954
01:53:59,220 --> 01:53:59,740
Kelly Anderson

955
01:53:59,740 --> 01:54:09,300
from Angwin, I had a couple of questions and I'm a wonder chair, man-free if you could get an answer

956
01:54:09,300 --> 01:54:20,540
from Miss Cayena or Mr. perdona, are all of the events under these new program philanthropic

957
01:54:20,540 --> 01:54:27,420
or fundraising, or can they just be activities that you're selling tickets to a concert and

958
01:54:27,420 --> 01:54:30,200
they keep the money. So that is the question I had.

959
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:39,080
I read in there, I looked at the

960
01:54:39,080 --> 01:54:44,680
the luminous report. I saw somewhere in there where it said certain activities could go

961
01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:52,860
till 2 a.m. And I wanted to get verification on that. And I know that's probably not a subject

962
01:54:52,860 --> 01:54:59,600
for this change right now, but I was curious to find out if in fact events can go till 2 a.m.

963
01:55:00,430 --> 01:55:14,230
And I'd like to reference my husband when he says nothing good happens after midnight. So I'm just kind of curious why we do permit activities to go that late. That's more suitable for a bar in town.

964
01:55:15,570 --> 01:55:22,830
And then lastly, I am curious, has any application ever been denied? Those are my questions. Thank you.

965
01:55:22,830 --> 01:55:29,170
Okay, thank you Ms. Anderson. I'm not seeing anyone else lining up here in the room. Is there anyone on the phones?

966
01:55:30,730 --> 01:55:40,570
We don't have anyone on the phones. Okay, so a lot of good work by staff on this. I just want to acknowledge how lengthy and thorough this process has been.

967
01:55:42,410 --> 01:55:46,810
At this time, I welcome any comments or discussion from my colleagues on the board.

968
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:51,020
I see Vice Chair Lesia.

969
01:55:51,020 --> 01:56:06,140
Thank you, again, I definitely want to thank staff for your work on this, your collaboration, which really starts with listening and inviting people to come in is really to be commended.

970
01:56:06,940 --> 01:56:08,860
So, thank you for that.

971
01:56:10,480 --> 01:56:19,280
I would if it is possible, let's start with if you can provide some responses to the public comment questions we just had from Miss Anderson.

972
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:20,320
Good

973
01:56:23,740 --> 01:56:28,300
morning, McKinley Mann, Deputy County Council, and I'm going to tag team these three questions with Shirley.

974
01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:36,900
The first question regarding non-profits and fundraising, because it is first amendment activity anyone can apply.

975
01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:42,180
So both non-profits, private orgs, anyone can apply for a temporary event license.

976
01:56:42,180 --> 01:57:03,020
To the second question, as to 2AM, there's provisions in our ordinance that allow events on New Year's Day to go to 2AM and that has been in our ordinance since 2006 and that is not, there are no proposed changes to those ordinance provisions as a result of today's staff recommendations.

977
01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:26,780
And if we did have a proposal for a 2 a.m. New Year's Eve party, we would welcome the public and they would have the opportunity to request a hearing. And we can look at that proposal at 2 a.m. or scale back the timeline to what the normal timeline is midnight.

978
01:57:26,780 --> 01:57:37,740
As for denying an application, yes, we did have an application that was denied, and that was a winery that wanted a dump of that.

979
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:48,280
And the neighbors did come out, it was denied by the, and it didn't have time to go to the board of supervisors.

980
01:57:48,900 --> 01:57:55,140
So they counseled the event and moved it to Sonoma County, so they could have it.

981
01:57:55,140 --> 01:58:04,920
Let me see what else, so that was the only one that was really denied that caused for change in our process.

982
01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:07,620
Thank you.

983
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:11,440
Just a couple of comments.

984
01:58:12,660 --> 01:58:22,780
I really appreciate the efficiency that been created and streamlining to help not just the previous department,

985
01:58:22,780 --> 01:58:30,040
But to get the actual source experts, get them directly involved, to be able to answer those questions.

986
01:58:30,180 --> 01:58:32,600
I think that makes a lot of sense.

987
01:58:33,440 --> 01:58:41,000
I know where we are reducing the time in which somebody can turn in their application from six to

988
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:42,300
days to 90 days.

989
01:58:43,120 --> 01:58:48,780
I will tell you that that gave me initial pause just because I know there's folks out there that

990
01:58:48,780 --> 01:58:56,280
working about being too late to get their application at the 60 day mark. And we're not talking

991
01:58:56,280 --> 01:59:01,600
about, you know, professionals. The professional of that makers, they understand their prepare,

992
01:59:01,820 --> 01:59:06,940
they know the system, talking about more the lathe person out there trying to do community good,

993
01:59:08,020 --> 01:59:14,260
community benefit, that they, that they're going to get caught and they're going to feel like we can't

994
01:59:14,260 --> 01:59:16,240
do something really good for our community,

995
01:59:16,720 --> 01:59:18,400
or our neighborhood, or whatever,

996
01:59:19,680 --> 01:59:23,820
because of that 90 day, the 90 days out.

997
01:59:24,100 --> 01:59:26,160
They may not even think about it until three months,

998
01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:27,740
and then it's already too late.

999
01:59:27,760 --> 01:59:30,420
And that's just the reality of what happens out there.

1000
01:59:30,940 --> 01:59:34,240
So I am, I'm pausing on that.

1001
01:59:34,580 --> 01:59:39,300
I do know that, and I appreciate that there is discretion

1002
01:59:40,220 --> 01:59:49,440
with the PBS director that he has discretion in terms of accepting applications beyond the 90 days.

1003
01:59:51,720 --> 01:59:57,160
So I'm glad there's some kind of flexibility there, so I'm just going to keep thinking about that.

1004
01:59:57,760 --> 01:59:59,960
But I would personally prefer bass.

1005
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:09,780
Just on practical, you know, booth on the ground, the reality out there is that 60 days can be challenging in itself, let alone 90 days.

1006
02:00:11,700 --> 02:00:14,420
And in terms of

1007
02:00:19,640 --> 02:00:28,220
the zoning administrator, very smart decision, that makes total sense, because it just wasn't well-time.

1008
02:00:28,220 --> 02:00:31,260
It wasn't time we'll use or resources used.

1009
02:00:31,540 --> 02:00:34,440
So that makes great sense that if it's requested,

1010
02:00:34,860 --> 02:00:37,940
then we have a ZO-S-E-8 meeting.

1011
02:00:39,420 --> 02:00:41,020
So thank you for doing that.

1012
02:00:42,040 --> 02:00:45,560
It's also good that folks can actually promote their events,

1013
02:00:45,960 --> 02:00:47,340
though, it is at their risk.

1014
02:00:49,100 --> 02:00:52,200
And that shows, again, additional listening

1015
02:00:52,200 --> 02:00:55,420
and flexibility here, so I appreciate that.

1016
02:00:56,720 --> 02:01:09,480
Late fees is mentioned here, how does that, how does that determine, is our late fees based on a sliding scale, a percentage of what the geography would be, how does that work?

1017
02:01:10,020 --> 02:01:11,440
It's a flat fee.

1018
02:01:11,440 --> 02:01:19,460
So it's a one time fee, so they would have to pay for processing the application as well as a late fee.

1019
02:01:19,860 --> 02:01:26,140
Okay, so it's about four, 25, I think it is for something.

1020
02:01:26,140 --> 02:01:27,320
Okay, remember off the top.

1021
02:01:27,320 --> 02:01:29,180
So $400, yes.

1022
02:01:29,600 --> 02:01:29,620
Okay.

1023
02:01:30,140 --> 02:01:37,480
And I'm going to end my comments with something regarding the fee exemptions that we once had for nonprofits.

1024
02:01:37,480 --> 02:01:40,940
but I'm going to, I want to go through this really quick, Mom's Stand.

1025
02:01:44,300 --> 02:01:45,320
Let's see.

1026
02:01:49,120 --> 02:01:54,300
I really appreciate the fact that for those annual fundraisers,

1027
02:01:54,900 --> 02:01:57,600
that they can use the prior year's information

1028
02:01:58,440 --> 02:02:03,380
and use that. That'll also save time for the, for the applicant and for the county.

1029
02:02:03,880 --> 02:02:07,280
So that makes a lot of sense doing that.

1030
02:02:07,280 --> 02:02:15,180
In terms of the actual, you know, we're proving the manual, but we're not looking at the application.

1031
02:02:16,260 --> 02:02:21,820
So we don't have that before us, because I guess the portal or the application that we have the manual,

1032
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:31,740
that'll be built out later. And I did share with staff and I say this with with respect

1033
02:02:31,740 --> 02:02:41,700
that in some ways I'm buying a car by having the manual but not being able to test drive the vehicle.

1034
02:02:44,020 --> 02:02:46,640
So, but the manual looks great.

1035
02:02:47,220 --> 02:02:54,340
So what I'm going to ask is that when the actual application is formed and it's available,

1036
02:02:55,140 --> 02:02:58,420
that you bring that back to the board and give us a presentation.

1037
02:02:58,420 --> 02:03:06,760
So we can we can actually kind of test drive the vehicle and have an opportunity for the public to provide comments and for us provide comments.

1038
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:13,460
So I guess that would be a referral at that a request in doing that.

1039
02:03:13,460 --> 02:03:21,420
Um, the other, um, let me just finish on, I think I've got everything except for the, um,

1040
02:03:22,720 --> 02:03:30,620
in the future, I know we're not discussing fees and I know that this board based on the

1041
02:03:30,620 --> 02:03:36,940
fee study was either earlier this year or last year, um, on the face on the fee study was recommended

1042
02:03:36,940 --> 02:03:44,940
that we are 100% recovery of staff time through fees.

1043
02:03:45,860 --> 02:03:47,740
I said it correctly. Does that make sense?

1044
02:03:48,280 --> 02:03:50,340
Yeah, cost recovery. Thank you, cost recovery.

1045
02:03:51,120 --> 02:03:54,100
100% cost recovery of staff time.

1046
02:03:54,120 --> 02:03:56,720
And that was what was recommended by a

1047
02:03:56,720 --> 02:03:58,980
in-depth fee study.

1048
02:04:00,080 --> 02:04:04,260
With that said, I would like this to come back to the board.

1049
02:04:04,260 --> 02:04:25,800
That's some point to look at where and how we can offset those fees for the nonprofits that are creating and developing philanthropy funds that really identify addressing our local health needs here in Napa County.

1050
02:04:25,800 --> 02:04:36,720
There is an entire process of having a community health assessment that's very in depth with non-profits and local organizations through public health.

1051
02:04:37,040 --> 02:04:41,580
And then it goes through identifying those priorities and a strategic plan.

1052
02:04:41,580 --> 02:04:56,060
And we have nonprofits and those who are poor profit, but their intent is to raise money to address the local needs and the health and safety of our community.

1053
02:04:58,060 --> 02:04:59,960
And, you know, not only are they paying their time.

1054
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:08,820
Time and money in doing that. But a lot of people donate items of income that can be auctioned, can be sponsored.

1055
02:05:09,240 --> 02:05:15,740
And there's a lot of giving in terms of creating these nonprofit events that will be going through this process.

1056
02:05:16,420 --> 02:05:20,600
And the only folks I don't see that has skin in the game, but this point is a county.

1057
02:05:21,380 --> 02:05:25,080
Meaning we're not doing anything to say, this is our part.

1058
02:05:25,080 --> 02:05:28,700
One before we had a fee exemption that said,

1059
02:05:29,200 --> 02:05:33,140
we see the value of multi-millions,

1060
02:05:33,140 --> 02:05:35,520
we're talking hundreds of millions,

1061
02:05:35,980 --> 02:05:37,920
to hundreds of thousands, hundreds of millions,

1062
02:05:38,120 --> 02:05:41,140
I don't know, it's a lot, especially over time,

1063
02:05:41,700 --> 02:05:44,720
in terms of what's generated a funding

1064
02:05:44,720 --> 02:05:47,600
that really would have to be covered

1065
02:05:48,200 --> 02:05:51,780
by local government to address these needs,

1066
02:05:51,940 --> 02:05:53,800
most of them within HHSA.

1067
02:05:54,380 --> 02:06:11,660
So, again, if we can bring this back in the future for us to have this discussion, I think it's worthy, and I think it would it's our ability to be a partner with the local nonprofits and folks who are working in addressing the needs of our community through fundraising.

1068
02:06:12,420 --> 02:06:13,800
And that's all I have. Thank you.

1069
02:06:15,140 --> 02:06:19,360
Thank you. Super Vice Chair, I see supervisor Gallagher and after that control.

1070
02:06:23,050 --> 02:06:31,870
Actually, I'm just going to hold because I did have a lot of questions answered by staff over the past few weeks.

1071
02:06:33,590 --> 02:06:39,370
And I was just going to suggest that we take public comment because I think that,

1072
02:06:40,190 --> 02:06:43,330
Oh, that was it. We did public comment. Oh, Michelle Novis.

1073
02:06:44,150 --> 02:06:46,870
Okay, sorry, just thought there would be more.

1074
02:06:46,870 --> 02:06:56,110
So are we, to the point of actually talking about what, not just questions, okay, all right, I'll go then.

1075
02:06:57,720 --> 02:06:59,340
Okay, thank you.

1076
02:07:00,740 --> 02:07:05,580
So I did want to thank staff, I know that this, and we have talked about this a lot.

1077
02:07:05,780 --> 02:07:13,160
I've had an opportunity to go through the whole draft and ask questions for many months.

1078
02:07:14,520 --> 02:07:42,900
And one really, really quick question is, we don't really have anything special around the one category 1, 1A and 1B around complaints and enforcement, so I'm going to make the assumption you can tell me if I'm wrong or not that those are complaint driven, and if there's a complaint about anything in the category 1, that that's just a code enforcement.

1079
02:07:45,500 --> 02:07:47,760
Yeah, that's correct.

1080
02:07:48,060 --> 02:07:53,460
In the event, we receive a complaint about an activity that is in the realm of the

1081
02:07:53,460 --> 02:07:53,960
temp event.

1082
02:07:54,640 --> 02:07:59,500
That's at the category one, 50 or less, we would handle that as part of a normal code enforcement

1083
02:07:59,500 --> 02:08:03,340
investigation and let the facts take us where they go.

1084
02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:11,840
In the event, I suppose somebody does a temp event that doesn't get a permit, that would affect

1085
02:08:11,840 --> 02:08:15,480
the processing of that type of end the next year.

1086
02:08:16,620 --> 02:08:19,860
Okay, all right, that answers that, thank you.

1087
02:08:21,060 --> 02:08:24,940
Also just wanna, I guess, again,

1088
02:08:25,180 --> 02:08:29,580
we're not discussing fees today and fee waivers.

1089
02:08:30,020 --> 02:08:31,660
And I think that when we do,

1090
02:08:31,780 --> 02:08:33,900
we're gonna have to look at the lawfulness of that.

1091
02:08:33,960 --> 02:08:35,580
There's legal implications

1092
02:08:35,580 --> 02:08:37,720
and what we are able to do not.

1093
02:08:37,740 --> 02:08:40,840
So we need to be cognizant of that needs to be part

1094
02:08:40,840 --> 02:08:48,720
discussion. In terms of the 90 days, I didn't see much in the public comments about having a

1095
02:08:48,720 --> 02:08:53,280
problem with 90 days. I think it's called one comment, the other size saw where we're regarding

1096
02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:59,480
the originally proposed 120 days, which was changed based on stakeholder feedback to 90. So it's

1097
02:08:59,480 --> 02:09:07,860
the cross-the-board 90, and that seemed to be acceptable to those who participated in public outreach

1098
02:09:07,860 --> 02:09:15,980
over the last few years, which has been just about everyone. It seems like I now understand what

1099
02:09:15,980 --> 02:09:23,020
unreasonable restriction of accessibility is, so don't need to ask that question. I'm a little

1100
02:09:23,020 --> 02:09:33,080
concerned that there seems to be some comments from Ms. Novi about this costing more. I'm confused

1101
02:09:33,080 --> 02:09:43,160
that because there aren't any new regulations. This is just process change, and I would

1102
02:09:43,160 --> 02:09:48,700
like a director of what we're done at comment on that. And I'd like to you to comment

1103
02:09:48,700 --> 02:09:54,560
on if we didn't have a process and we didn't have a manual and we weren't providing all

1104
02:09:54,560 --> 02:09:59,200
guidance and pre-mining, what would it look like for somebody who wants to hold an event?

1105
02:10:01,330 --> 02:10:22,890
Yeah, the manual itself is a road map or a guidebook that contains regulations. The manual itself is not regulations. So, absent, the manual, those regulations would still exist, absent, a manual, an event coordinator would have to, I guess, interact individually with departments about a road closure permit.

1106
02:10:22,890 --> 02:10:27,130
They would have to go to fire about whatever fires, requirements are building environment

1107
02:10:27,130 --> 02:10:32,110
a health CHP for road closures, public quirks.

1108
02:10:33,470 --> 02:10:39,710
So what the manual does is it provides somewhat of a one-stop shop to where all the requirements

1109
02:10:39,710 --> 02:10:45,030
are consolidated, guidance is provided as to how to comply with all those requirements.

1110
02:10:45,730 --> 02:10:55,130
So it's an effective service and it's a vast improvement from the O6 version and in terms

1111
02:10:55,130 --> 02:10:59,950
of the costs that I just know we mentioned, I don't, like I said, yeah, there's no new regulation

1112
02:10:59,950 --> 02:11:05,830
so the temp events cost, there's no changes to the ordinance that would drive or affect costs.

1113
02:11:05,830 --> 02:11:08,070
So I'm not clear on that part.

1114
02:11:08,070 --> 02:11:14,510
Um, but, um, lost my train of thought. Um, yeah, I'll just leave it there.

1115
02:11:14,750 --> 02:11:18,270
Did I have any? Director, I can just jump in. I think it's regarding the design

1116
02:11:18,270 --> 02:11:23,450
professional that's going to be required. Um, that wasn't a requirement before.

1117
02:11:24,270 --> 02:11:28,390
Yeah, so one more thing I found my thought. Um, so the manual in a sense, and my view,

1118
02:11:28,550 --> 02:11:33,830
particularly with the improvements to it, um, the net net of that is a cost savings,

1119
02:11:33,830 --> 02:11:38,990
relative to the 06 version. The comment are concerned about the design

1120
02:11:38,990 --> 02:11:46,110
professional. This relates to the occupancy of a structure that was not

1121
02:11:46,110 --> 02:11:52,290
designed and built for assembly, which is people occupying and staying in a

1122
02:11:52,290 --> 02:11:56,950
space. Barrel rooms are a classic example. The current ordinance in manual

1123
02:11:56,950 --> 02:12:03,410
does not allow for the use of those at all. So it's just a no. The new manual

1124
02:12:03,410 --> 02:12:11,030
does in fact allow for those spaces to be used. So long as a design professional assesses

1125
02:12:11,030 --> 02:12:19,430
the structure, identifies evacuation plans and other measures to ensure public safety,

1126
02:12:19,870 --> 02:12:25,450
but it's now an option, whereas before it wasn't. And the whole point of that is to make sure

1127
02:12:25,450 --> 02:12:33,490
spaces are occupied in a safe way. And that are concurrent or congruent with the design of

1128
02:12:33,490 --> 02:12:37,290
the building that was originally designed and approved by a qualified professional.

1129
02:12:38,550 --> 02:12:44,510
So I view that as an improvement. And yes, if someone chooses to occupy one of those spaces,

1130
02:12:44,670 --> 02:12:49,470
it may cost them some money to hire a design professional to evaluate the space and make sure

1131
02:12:49,470 --> 02:12:54,770
they're safe and aggressive. And all those types of things. And I believe Jason Downs is here

1132
02:12:54,770 --> 02:12:57,710
along with our CBO, there's more detailed questions

1133
02:12:57,710 --> 02:12:59,330
about the fire of building code.

1134
02:12:59,910 --> 02:13:02,330
I'm beginning to get way over my sees on that topic.

1135
02:13:04,690 --> 02:13:05,870
Can I take it back?

1136
02:13:07,330 --> 02:13:07,950
Oh, sorry.

1137
02:13:09,650 --> 02:13:10,830
Thank you for that.

1138
02:13:11,030 --> 02:13:12,490
That is great.

1139
02:13:12,530 --> 02:13:15,050
That's very clarifying and makes absolute sense.

1140
02:13:17,790 --> 02:13:19,810
And it's a point of flexibility.

1141
02:13:20,690 --> 02:13:23,510
You're saying, this is a space that could not be used

1142
02:13:23,510 --> 02:13:31,770
for now we are saying it can be used but it has to be used safely and that has to be, you know,

1143
02:13:31,830 --> 02:13:37,850
well thought out planned for approved, right? Correct. That makes sense. It's an option now

1144
02:13:37,850 --> 02:13:46,490
whereas in the O6 manual, it's not. Yeah, so thank you for that. You know, I think it needs

1145
02:13:46,490 --> 02:13:55,930
Because we are updating this, and we are making this process, we're streamlining it, there aren't any new regulations.

1146
02:13:56,610 --> 02:14:00,610
I think it's going to be really, really important to get this information out as

1147
02:14:00,610 --> 02:14:06,190
however we can to everybody that has held events that could hold events.

1148
02:14:06,470 --> 02:14:11,590
I mean, I understand, there's only so much we can do, but we can maybe try to come up with some ways,

1149
02:14:11,590 --> 02:14:16,410
And I'm sure we all could help you through our different channels as well to make sure people get the information.

1150
02:14:17,190 --> 02:14:20,590
Because we know there are events happening where people do not get permits.

1151
02:14:21,290 --> 02:14:24,830
And they're not, it's not because they're a category one.

1152
02:14:25,510 --> 02:14:29,590
It's because they aren't getting the permits because they either don't know to get the permit.

1153
02:14:30,250 --> 02:14:32,470
They don't understand how to get the permit.

1154
02:14:33,090 --> 02:14:39,250
They don't, they don't maybe just want to go through the process of getting the permit.

1155
02:14:39,250 --> 02:14:59,970
You know, there could be myriad reasons, but this is an opportunity to educate everyone that if you're having an event, you're falling under one of these categories and you need to go look and figure out which category you follow fall under and what the reasons are for the, you know, for that and what is the process.

1156
02:15:00,860 --> 02:15:29,480
And if you do, what is it you have to do? And I think the fact that we have a manual that helps guide people through that process. And we're going to have an online form of a great and is correct where you can apply. And you can go step by step. I think that we're doing everything that we can to make it as easy for people as possible. And the fact that it's a living document that will be updated annually is.

1157
02:15:30,600 --> 02:15:36,500
You know, our, our promise, really, the communities, they will take your feedback, you know,

1158
02:15:36,980 --> 02:15:43,640
we're, we're, we're attempting to make this a better process, but give us your comments

1159
02:15:43,640 --> 02:15:48,720
as you go, as you plan your events over the year, and then we can look at it again, and if we

1160
02:15:48,720 --> 02:15:53,360
see that there are gaps or there are unintended consequences or places where we need to make

1161
02:15:53,360 --> 02:15:58,720
changes, we can come back and look at that. So, I appreciate the work you've done. I know it's been

1162
02:15:58,720 --> 02:16:06,500
really, really long time and I think you've done a great job and I also thank you for all of the

1163
02:16:06,500 --> 02:16:15,340
outreach that you've done over the last since 2023 to bring in stakeholders and others to

1164
02:16:15,340 --> 02:16:20,800
really hammer this through and get it right. Yeah, I appreciate that and I just want to maybe

1165
02:16:20,800 --> 02:16:26,700
take the opportunity to expand on what we do plan to do in terms of outreach. So if the

1166
02:16:27,440 --> 02:16:38,520
We will be conducting outreach making folks aware and frankly touting the benefits of these improvements identifying those benefits and how this process is now a more streamlined.

1167
02:16:40,020 --> 02:16:48,380
I was writing down and I appreciate the comments from Ms. Novey some of the suggestions that she had included those are already on my list so great minds think I like.

1168
02:16:48,380 --> 02:16:51,720
We're working with our PIO to get the word out as well.

1169
02:16:52,100 --> 02:16:56,860
We've also discussed the community other as survey to receive feedback on how the manual

1170
02:16:56,860 --> 02:17:01,360
and the ordinance is working and like was discussed that's a living document.

1171
02:17:01,860 --> 02:17:06,540
So we'll have the ability to modify as we go as opposed to bringing something back

1172
02:17:06,540 --> 02:17:08,120
before the board to do so.

1173
02:17:11,940 --> 02:17:16,000
Thank you, Supervisor Gallagher, Supervisor Couchral, and after that, Supervisor Ramos.

1174
02:17:16,900 --> 02:17:18,620
Thank you, Chair, and thanks to my colleagues.

1175
02:17:18,620 --> 02:17:39,400
This has been a great discussion and to the public comment that we've received echo, just have to echo. Thank you. Thanks, staff for all the work here and the engagement. I will be supportive of this of what's before us today. I do have a couple of questions.

1176
02:17:39,400 --> 02:17:45,100
I think this is a real improvement over what has been existing.

1177
02:17:45,620 --> 02:17:50,920
I think it's important also to restate that this is not creating a new program.

1178
02:17:51,320 --> 02:17:56,760
This is streamlining and clarifying what has been existing.

1179
02:17:57,160 --> 02:18:03,640
So it's not like there's suddenly a new suite of events that are being approved here.

1180
02:18:03,980 --> 02:18:06,040
It's improving a process.

1181
02:18:06,840 --> 02:18:16,000
So, a few things, one of the questions I had, and thank you for attaching the draft manual.

1182
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:17,420
I think that's really helpful.

1183
02:18:18,960 --> 02:18:22,620
We have mapped out there three types of events.

1184
02:18:23,640 --> 02:18:32,240
One of the things I think it might be helpful to add is the AB 720 category because that's not a winery event.

1185
02:18:32,240 --> 02:18:49,920
It's not any of the other things, and so just to have that clarified there, we know we still need to do more education on those type of events too, but just to make that spell that out to, to say, this is not what this manual is if you need information on that go elsewhere.

1186
02:18:50,960 --> 02:19:16,800
So that's one item, and then let's see, I would love, we thank you to both Ms. Novi and Ms. Anderson for the questions, and I think just to be responsive to Ms. Anderson, again, she mentioned a new program, and we know this is a continuing program, but she also had a question about philanthropic events.

1187
02:19:16,800 --> 02:19:32,760
And if, because I know there was one section that was taken out that was that kind of a definition of non-profits but that's not because these type of events are specific to or only for non-profits. So can you tell us a little bit about that.

1188
02:19:35,290 --> 02:19:46,250
That is struck out in the ordinance because that word is no longer used in the ordinance so doesn't need to be defined non-profits can still apply for a temporary event license.

1189
02:19:46,970 --> 02:19:52,130
right and but also it you don't have to be a non-profit correct anyone can

1190
02:19:52,130 --> 02:19:55,910
arrive for a temporary event and even if we wanted to go down that path that

1191
02:19:55,910 --> 02:19:59,830
would probably be an infringement of First Amendment rights so we wouldn't.

1192
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:25,740
That's not something that we could do. Okay. Thank you for clarifying that. And then I think the other piece about, you know, what I see here and I think it came up with supervisor Gallagher's points that really this adding in flexibility, the 90 days, first of all, these, the review of these take a lot of staff time. So it's important that staff has the time to do the work.

1193
02:20:25,740 --> 02:20:49,720
And so I understand the 90-day time frame, and I appreciate the built-in flexibility with that and also the design professional piece because we know that without that, that would just remove several kinds of spaces from a potential use in these kinds of events.

1194
02:20:49,720 --> 02:20:53,200
So I see that as an added piece of flexibility.

1195
02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:57,560
One thing I will like to see from staff is

1196
02:20:57,560 --> 02:21:01,640
I like that there's some discretion built into that 90 day deadline.

1197
02:21:01,820 --> 02:21:05,780
I think it will be really helpful for staff to have guidelines about

1198
02:21:05,780 --> 02:21:07,380
what we mean by that.

1199
02:21:07,660 --> 02:21:15,260
And Ms. Glenn, you'd walked through a set like an emergency event in response to a wildfire, for example.

1200
02:21:15,260 --> 02:21:39,520
Right. And we'll, because humans are humans, we will see people walking in to say, well, this event is really important and critical and time sensitive. So I think in order to give people an expectation of what that discretion means, I'd love to see some sort of bullet points some other way that you're framing what those parameters are.

1201
02:21:39,520 --> 02:21:52,420
But that I'm also I appreciate Ms. Nobe's point of maybe coming back to us in a year and a half sort of saying how how this has rolled out thus far and what we've learned.

1202
02:21:52,780 --> 02:21:55,880
I think that would be really helpful for the board as well.

1203
02:21:55,880 --> 02:22:25,720
And then my final point, I also like the idea that at another time we can talk about the waiver, well, it makes sense to me that we're removing the waiver for nonprofit fees because that's what our fee study, that's what we approved under the fee study and I think I've heard from staff that the cost is about well, maybe I'll ask you what is the cost of our our waiver program.

1204
02:22:25,880 --> 02:22:26,980
at this point.

1205
02:22:31,930 --> 02:22:35,410
I'm quick and from wrong, surely in blast I asked it was around $1,800.

1206
02:22:38,370 --> 02:22:42,150
I don't have a exact number, but that's what I read.

1207
02:22:42,230 --> 02:22:42,550
Yeah.

1208
02:22:42,730 --> 02:22:48,250
My question was more what the total cost is to the county of the staff time that we don't

1209
02:22:48,250 --> 02:22:55,170
recover because of the nonprofit fee program, because at the end of the day that is we should

1210
02:22:55,170 --> 02:22:59,430
as a board look at that, like, is that an investment we want to make?

1211
02:22:59,430 --> 02:23:01,730
It's taxpayer dollars and to rise

1212
02:23:01,730 --> 02:23:04,230
or less you'll made a great point about all the value

1213
02:23:04,230 --> 02:23:06,810
that our nonprofit community brings back.

1214
02:23:07,390 --> 02:23:09,350
So I think there's a good discussion to have there,

1215
02:23:09,430 --> 02:23:12,230
but that should happen in a budget context.

1216
02:23:12,890 --> 02:23:16,330
Yes, we're planning to bring forward

1217
02:23:16,330 --> 02:23:18,510
a matching of the fees associated

1218
02:23:18,510 --> 02:23:22,330
with the temp event categories in September.

1219
02:23:22,570 --> 02:23:27,090
So that's just that fee discussion for processing applications

1220
02:23:27,090 --> 02:23:33,550
And then there'll be another discussion with the budget regarding fee waivers at that time.

1221
02:23:33,750 --> 02:23:43,350
We would be able to have a full blown analysis on what how much the county is losing in terms of processing fees.

1222
02:23:43,810 --> 02:23:48,050
Got it. And then we're really having the conversation about it as an investment, right?

1223
02:23:48,350 --> 02:23:56,970
Yes. And what is returned. And I will also point out that we do have nonprofits who do events here in the county that perhaps

1224
02:23:56,970 --> 02:24:00,090
are going to support things outside of the county.

1225
02:24:00,650 --> 02:24:02,210
So that will be an interesting discussion

1226
02:24:02,210 --> 02:24:05,930
to talk about local nonprofits versus ones

1227
02:24:05,930 --> 02:24:08,370
that are serving an audience outside.

1228
02:24:09,270 --> 02:24:11,110
So those are all my comments at this point.

1229
02:24:11,150 --> 02:24:12,430
Thank you.

1230
02:24:12,570 --> 02:24:15,830
Thank you so much, Supervisor Gallagher, Supervisor Ramas.

1231
02:24:18,380 --> 02:24:19,200
Thank you so much.

1232
02:24:21,080 --> 02:24:23,840
And let me start off my question.

1233
02:24:24,520 --> 02:24:26,060
Supervisor Cato alluded to it.

1234
02:24:26,060 --> 02:24:41,100
And I believe that when we had our AB720 conversation, we matched up AB720 to be in line with what is now category one less than 50 is that not correct.

1235
02:24:41,260 --> 02:24:48,340
So we essentially do have it acknowledged in here because it's a category one to review less than 50.

1236
02:24:48,500 --> 02:24:49,680
That correct.

1237
02:24:52,190 --> 02:24:53,470
Who gave me correct?

1238
02:24:53,470 --> 02:24:59,970
Okay. Cool. I'm going to gallery in the back. Thank you. Um, okay. So I just wanted to-

1239
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:11,060
To see that point, but I don't believe we need to make a reference because those AB 720 events are less than 50.

1240
02:25:13,280 --> 02:25:26,000
Next, you know, when it comes to, let me go to, okay, let me start with. On the application, I appreciate supervisor Lossio's request and trying to see an application.

1241
02:25:28,360 --> 02:25:44,080
I want to caution this board. We don't ever review applications. It would seem very out of the ordinary for us to get into a space where we are approving forms and context.

1242
02:25:44,080 --> 02:25:55,140
we have the enabling resolutions attached. We have the manual and we give direction. We certainly

1243
02:25:55,140 --> 02:26:01,980
have the ability as time goes on to provide feedback to staff. Should there be a problem,

1244
02:26:04,740 --> 02:26:04,740
but

1245
02:26:04,740 --> 02:26:10,060
these applications are pretty simple in nature and everything seems to be in attachment.

1246
02:26:10,060 --> 02:26:15,500
and so I would really, I would really caution us to not go down that path and to let stuff

1247
02:26:16,540 --> 02:26:22,770
lead the way in this space with with our direction. I want to spend a little bit of time and

1248
02:26:24,640 --> 02:26:29,500
I want to spend a little bit of time and and talk about these indoor spaces not for assembly.

1249
02:26:30,800 --> 02:26:38,400
And in particular for my colleagues, I'm on pages. I think it's eight nine and ten of the

1250
02:26:38,400 --> 02:27:02,600
A&9, sorry, of the manual, at the bottom it says indoor event spaces assembly occupancy that is governed by the building code and chapter 10 events are limited to buildings or portions of buildings currently permitted for assembly occupancy and this includes restrictions on events using production areas fermentation rooms barrel rooms warehouses caves.

1251
02:27:03,460 --> 02:27:21,520
And if you want to have assembling these areas, that is where the detailed plan prepared by licensed design professional comes into play.

1252
02:27:22,120 --> 02:27:32,460
So my question we've talked about this and I know in meeting with staff, I asked this question before, and I don't see a time frame on this.

1253
02:27:32,460 --> 02:27:39,600
So let's take for example, location I have been to many events

1254
02:27:39,600 --> 02:27:41,940
at is Louis Martini,

1255
02:27:44,340 --> 02:27:49,160
when one of these detailed plans,

1256
02:27:49,760 --> 02:27:55,520
per the manual comes in, is approved, is it only applicable

1257
02:27:55,520 --> 02:27:56,960
to that event?

1258
02:28:00,530 --> 02:28:02,050
Yes, it would be.

1259
02:28:02,050 --> 02:28:04,510
It would be applicable to that event.

1260
02:28:05,450 --> 02:28:13,710
So when Louie Martini came in, and when a winery comes in, if they want to have identify

1261
02:28:13,710 --> 02:28:18,310
where they want to have their marketing events, because we would have to go through the same

1262
02:28:18,310 --> 02:28:23,610
occupancy classification for any space in a winery.

1263
02:28:24,310 --> 02:28:29,470
So if we do get something that comes in and they say in the future, we'd like to have marketing

1264
02:28:29,470 --> 02:28:35,330
events or temporary events in this area, then staff would look at that through the building

1265
02:28:35,330 --> 02:28:41,330
permit review process or the major modification process or modification as we process

1266
02:28:41,330 --> 02:28:48,450
at use permit for the winery. But it would be an I could bring up David due to CFC here in

1267
02:28:48,450 --> 02:28:56,490
the audience. But he's here. Yeah. And be heard of John. Yes, please come up. But it would be for that

1268
02:28:56,490 --> 02:29:17,750
temporary of that. So I guess what I'm getting at here is I think that there's an opportunity for us to be supportive but I do not understand the limitations of the building code and perhaps maybe you can help me.

1269
02:29:17,750 --> 02:29:26,470
I think this through. But when I think about some of these spaces, so let's take the barrel room at Louis martini.

1270
02:29:28,670 --> 02:29:42,290
They have events there. How do we get something on file that is, and I use on file very liberally here, how do we get something on file that allows

1271
02:29:42,290 --> 02:29:49,770
that venue to be able to do a copy paste on these

1272
02:29:49,770 --> 02:29:55,430
lights on these detailed plans signed off by a licensed design professional

1273
02:29:55,430 --> 02:29:59,910
that we can utilize. So to say, hey, if

1274
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:11,820
Non-profit ABC had this event. And now, you know, DEF wants to come in and have this event, they could just say same plan as ABC.

1275
02:30:12,720 --> 02:30:27,480
Is that an option here for, because in my head I'm not going to go ahead and list all these venues, but in my mind, I can think about five or six of these venues that are repeat hosts.

1276
02:30:27,480 --> 02:30:50,540
that would benefit from us to be able to keep something on file, and maybe that is a separate category that we can include in here at a later time, or maybe there's a way for us to incorporate a slide amendment that say that a detailed plan if it is substantially similar.

1277
02:30:51,980 --> 02:30:55,160
that it can stay on file for two years.

1278
02:30:55,420 --> 02:30:57,880
Assuming no large building code changes,

1279
02:30:58,460 --> 02:31:01,040
I now, let's discuss.

1280
02:31:09,630 --> 02:31:12,390
I like to use this room as a good example.

1281
02:31:12,910 --> 02:31:15,250
This is a room that is considered assembly.

1282
02:31:16,730 --> 02:31:19,230
And you'll see that there's an occupancy load.

1283
02:31:19,770 --> 02:31:21,030
So it's every building's different.

1284
02:31:21,870 --> 02:31:23,290
If we choose to make this assembly,

1285
02:31:23,290 --> 02:31:29,270
that's it triggers other things like exiting. So because of the 99 people that are allowed in here,

1286
02:31:29,730 --> 02:31:36,550
we have to have two exits. And that means if someone like say Ryan's laptop catches on fire

1287
02:31:36,550 --> 02:31:43,410
and we've got over 120 people in here, people might panic and run for the doors. So we want to make

1288
02:31:43,410 --> 02:31:50,930
sure that that load capacity to get out is here. So we have that design for 99 people in this room.

1289
02:31:50,930 --> 02:31:54,150
When you take a fermentation, processing,

1290
02:31:55,210 --> 02:31:58,370
warehouse, those are usually like a F occupancy,

1291
02:31:58,490 --> 02:32:01,910
which is fermentation, and they're designed for production.

1292
02:32:02,790 --> 02:32:05,730
Those are designed to maybe only have five people in them,

1293
02:32:05,950 --> 02:32:11,210
and they have maybe just one exit, because there's only five people in the building at any one time.

1294
02:32:11,990 --> 02:32:13,570
Then you've got other factors in there.

1295
02:32:13,650 --> 02:32:16,650
It's designed. It has drainage troughs.

1296
02:32:17,310 --> 02:32:19,250
There's walking surfaces that are issues.

1297
02:32:19,810 --> 02:32:23,950
There's all sorts of things that go along with the designing it to for a production facility.

1298
02:32:24,830 --> 02:32:26,110
So that's the challenge.

1299
02:32:27,130 --> 02:32:35,250
What I have seen is we've tried to encourage people when they're designing their winery is to look at maybe a mixed use of that winery.

1300
02:32:35,970 --> 02:32:41,430
So for things like that where they plan to have repeat events, they could do that.

1301
02:32:41,650 --> 02:32:48,270
They could look at the building to have the proper exiting that they can sort of make that conversion if they wanted to have events in there.

1302
02:32:48,270 --> 02:32:54,910
Haven't seen a lot of it yet, but it's very challenging when you have production and assembly.

1303
02:32:55,790 --> 02:33:00,510
So I know everybody wants to have their events in the barrel room amongst the production

1304
02:33:00,510 --> 02:33:07,510
facilities kind of cool, cool looking, but it presents a lot of hazards. So what we've also looked at

1305
02:33:07,510 --> 02:33:14,750
is we do like a basically temporary occupancy change for an event. And then we ask that a design

1306
02:33:14,750 --> 02:33:19,250
professional, just like they would, if they were designing the building, come in and actually

1307
02:33:19,250 --> 02:33:23,590
design it to make sure or at least look at the existing exiting and see if they can make

1308
02:33:23,590 --> 02:33:24,050
it work.

1309
02:33:24,370 --> 02:33:29,130
Because they may be in a situation where they don't have enough room, it's down it maybe

1310
02:33:29,130 --> 02:33:34,450
it's subterranean and they only have one stairway out of there, that can be a huge challenge

1311
02:33:34,450 --> 02:33:36,390
to try to convert those spaces temporarily.

1312
02:33:37,190 --> 02:33:38,390
So that's the big challenge.

1313
02:33:38,390 --> 02:33:45,210
we need to see that, because we don't want to have an event in the Valley resolved in some

1314
02:33:45,210 --> 02:33:51,350
fire earthquake, panic situation, active shooter, you name it. People need to build to get

1315
02:33:51,350 --> 02:34:00,570
out of the building in a series and panic situation. So yeah, so there's as avenues, but that's

1316
02:34:00,570 --> 02:34:04,670
why we have to have a design professional coming and evaluate that building and see if it works.

1317
02:34:04,670 --> 02:34:10,170
They may have huge roll-up doors that they can let for the day while they have there in that.

1318
02:34:11,530 --> 02:34:16,050
So that there's a lot of options out there, but it just depends on the building and it varies from

1319
02:34:17,270 --> 02:34:18,550
from event to that.

1320
02:34:22,940 --> 02:34:28,180
Thank you. That's great background, but to get I think to your question,

1321
02:34:29,560 --> 02:34:34,680
more specifically, it sounds like you're suggesting that there'd be some form of a blanket plan

1322
02:34:34,680 --> 02:34:40,600
going to be applied over and over and over again. I think to some extent, yes, it's going to

1323
02:34:40,600 --> 02:34:47,420
depend on to what extent the event changes. The plan is specific to the event. If it's a 100

1324
02:34:47,420 --> 02:34:51,720
person event, there's going to be a plan. If it's a 1000 person event in that same building,

1325
02:34:51,880 --> 02:34:57,660
it's a different plan. If they rearrange tables and barrels and whatnot, that also could be a different

1326
02:34:57,660 --> 02:34:59,980
plan, so I think to the extent, the...

1327
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:15,560
Plan is still applicable in subsequent years or events. Yeah, it could apply. One of the things, and this is another improvement that is going to occur with this new manual and application processes.

1328
02:35:15,560 --> 02:35:20,840
we will now be retaining on-file previous submittals.

1329
02:35:21,660 --> 02:35:26,680
So let's say martini comes in and they submitted a plan for the barrel row.

1330
02:35:27,740 --> 02:35:32,640
It's there on-file and if you're just needing to make some small little tweaks to it,

1331
02:35:33,800 --> 02:35:36,360
you can't, you don't have to start from scratch.

1332
02:35:37,480 --> 02:35:41,100
And so that's particularly helpful when folks do subsequent events.

1333
02:35:41,100 --> 02:35:51,540
They essentially can reapply with nearly the same material that they did in previous years, which cuts down, of course, the review on their part and ours as well.

1334
02:35:52,140 --> 02:35:57,340
So I don't know if we need to include a provision necessarily in the resolution or the manual.

1335
02:35:57,340 --> 02:36:07,500
I think the CBO has discretion and authority to take those in a consideration, but we course would be happy to consider any language changes along those lines.

1336
02:36:08,980 --> 02:36:10,320
If you, if you have them.

1337
02:36:10,320 --> 02:36:39,620
Thank you. I appreciate that. You know, I guess certainly understand a 100% event. It's very different from a 1000% event. What I guess the one thing is making sure that through the chief building officer that we're compliant with the building code, you know,

1338
02:36:39,620 --> 02:36:47,780
needs to be some sort of language that says that those designs on file can be utilized for

1339
02:36:47,780 --> 02:36:56,800
X number of times or years, unless there is a substantive change to the building code.

1340
02:36:57,060 --> 02:37:03,540
Yeah, we can include a note in the manual that they may become outdated in the event building code

1341
02:37:03,540 --> 02:37:08,080
is updated. How often happens every two or three years? Every three years. Yeah, so there's a three-year

1342
02:37:08,080 --> 02:37:13,000
cycle, but we've been includes a clarifying language to let us know that it could change.

1343
02:37:13,600 --> 02:37:18,340
I think that would be incredibly helpful if we have that expressly included in there.

1344
02:37:18,600 --> 02:37:23,580
Then the next question that I have, and this is more of a...

1345
02:37:23,580 --> 02:37:27,040
I am unaware of who is the applicant here.

1346
02:37:27,960 --> 02:37:30,560
Is that the person having the event or is it the venue?

1347
02:37:31,780 --> 02:37:34,120
It's the person having the event.

1348
02:37:34,120 --> 02:37:43,360
Okay, is that applicant. So then that is I think probably more at the central to my question is how do we,

1349
02:37:45,940 --> 02:37:59,220
is the new system that's allowing for these documents, is it allowing shared information between applicants that are relevant to the same site.

1350
02:37:59,220 --> 02:38:20,820
So, if non-profit ABC is having a 100% event at Martini has done the detailed plan, signed off by licensed professional, how do we make sure that non-profit DEF can benefit from that same plan?

1351
02:38:20,820 --> 02:38:26,540
I think they would have to have an internal discussion with one another to see if they can benefit.

1352
02:38:27,060 --> 02:38:37,080
Or if the winery itself, the venue does the analysis for temp events, you know, different ranges of sizes.

1353
02:38:37,880 --> 02:38:44,760
They, in that stage with the winery, then when the vendor or when the event coordinator comes in, they can say,

1354
02:38:44,760 --> 02:38:50,120
Oh, you can use this that we had as a starting point

1355
02:38:50,120 --> 02:38:53,320
for meeting the building codes or fire codes,

1356
02:38:53,640 --> 02:38:54,820
regarding occupancy.

1357
02:38:55,620 --> 02:39:03,460
So I guess this is where I see more so then

1358
02:39:03,460 --> 02:39:09,000
than even looking at fee waivers and deviation of that.

1359
02:39:09,000 --> 02:39:10,940
I see that there is an opportunity

1360
02:39:11,960 --> 02:39:28,880
for us to be supportive in that space of those venues that are repeat hosts, to be able to say we want to work with you and your support of the nonprofit community.

1361
02:39:29,960 --> 02:39:37,940
Here's a specific toolkit for you and how you design up these 100 to, you know, the category

1362
02:39:38,620 --> 02:39:42,240
ones, two, three, and to have that on file.

1363
02:39:42,400 --> 02:39:46,860
That's, I guess, that's more of where I'm going at that I see a little disconnected.

1364
02:39:47,760 --> 02:39:50,420
We're saying here's the manual and that's great.

1365
02:39:50,560 --> 02:39:56,840
I think it has really great suggestions and great guidance, but if there's a way for us to facilitate

1366
02:39:56,840 --> 02:39:59,980
Okay, not reinventing the wheel, everything.

1367
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:05,640
Single-time, I think that that's where we have some space that we can be supportive of.

1368
02:40:06,120 --> 02:40:19,300
However, there is a caveat here. So if the venue space wants to, or the venue, wants to make changes to their production area,

1369
02:40:19,680 --> 02:40:28,460
we still have to abide by the winery definition ordinance when it comes to the production to hospitality ratio.

1370
02:40:28,460 --> 02:40:44,880
So there's that fine line that they may not be able to do permanent, you know, changes to that, but at least we could have it, you know, for in our system that they can use that analysis for the next event of that.

1371
02:40:45,400 --> 02:40:58,100
Oh, I'm not at all suggesting the permanent changes. I'm suggesting those temporary changes that facilitate these indoor assemblies for temporary.

1372
02:40:58,460 --> 02:41:01,200
Yes. Okay. I

1373
02:41:04,400 --> 02:41:11,620
see. Okay. I see that I see that I see Vice Chair Lassio. Do you have further comments?

1374
02:41:13,300 --> 02:41:19,040
Thank you. Just after listening to my colleagues at an end of the response back. I appreciate that.

1375
02:41:19,220 --> 02:41:26,680
What supervisor Ramles kind of reminds me of an I really like her idea trying to think about how the problem solved something that

1376
02:41:26,680 --> 02:41:30,480
to cost, you know, $7 to $15,000 for a design

1377
02:41:30,480 --> 02:41:34,180
professional depending what they need is, and again,

1378
02:41:34,360 --> 02:41:37,360
this may not work because of what your response was.

1379
02:41:37,780 --> 02:41:40,960
But it reminds you a little bit of the Napa ADU program

1380
02:41:40,960 --> 02:41:46,760
where there is pre-designed approved pre-designed designs

1381
02:41:47,290 --> 02:41:52,260
for ADUs and if there was approved pre-designed

1382
02:41:52,260 --> 02:41:56,420
for some of these indoor spaces based on previous use.

1383
02:41:56,800 --> 02:41:57,520
That would be helpful.

1384
02:41:57,640 --> 02:42:00,220
I think that would that could meet the criteria

1385
02:42:00,900 --> 02:42:03,460
without adding additional cost.

1386
02:42:04,560 --> 02:42:06,080
But I know if there's a variable changes,

1387
02:42:06,240 --> 02:42:07,980
if there's a variable change, but maybe it's still,

1388
02:42:08,120 --> 02:42:12,140
they could use that original concept, that original design,

1389
02:42:12,720 --> 02:42:14,920
and they could have their design professional just amended.

1390
02:42:15,240 --> 02:42:16,800
So it's not starting from scratch.

1391
02:42:18,380 --> 02:42:21,160
So it just trying to be practical and also thoughtful here.

1392
02:42:21,160 --> 02:42:21,160
I

1393
02:42:23,400 --> 02:42:34,700
just wanted to mention, so the tricky thing about hiring an architect or a design professional is they have a copy right on those designs, so that's just something to consider.

1394
02:42:36,420 --> 02:42:47,740
If they do a one for a particular event and then six months later someone else wants to use those plans, we aren't able to just give those over.

1395
02:42:47,740 --> 02:42:51,840
That would be something that you have to go back to that design, just something to keep in mind

1396
02:42:52,920 --> 02:42:57,080
the sort of the copyright infringement of of design by architects.

1397
02:42:57,760 --> 02:42:59,560
So, and that's going to ask you.

1398
02:42:59,820 --> 02:43:01,320
Thank you for mentioning that because it's going to say,

1399
02:43:01,600 --> 02:43:03,320
who qualifies as a design professional?

1400
02:43:03,720 --> 02:43:05,120
Because architects are very expensive.

1401
02:43:05,460 --> 02:43:10,640
Is there any other profession that qualifies as the design professional that would for this purpose?

1402
02:43:10,980 --> 02:43:13,560
Well, you can have, so there's

1403
02:43:13,560 --> 02:43:20,320
architects, which are trained in the building code, they go through their education for that,

1404
02:43:20,320 --> 02:43:24,580
and then they get licensed to the state, so that right there qualifies them,

1405
02:43:24,820 --> 02:43:29,140
then you also have other fire protection engineers that can provide exiting,

1406
02:43:29,820 --> 02:43:39,820
they can also be someone who you could use for that sort of analysis. So there's some design

1407
02:43:39,820 --> 02:43:49,620
familiar with exiting and life safety. Okay, for buildings. But still it, it is a, you know, a

1408
02:43:49,620 --> 02:43:56,740
cost burden that may or may not allow, and I'm going to go back to nonprofits, because it's the

1409
02:43:56,740 --> 02:44:01,540
community good that they're doing that may or may not allow somebody to have an event indoors,

1410
02:44:01,860 --> 02:44:06,480
when there is no, maybe it's a, you know, it's a seasonal issue and it's raining and they have no

1411
02:44:06,480 --> 02:44:13,340
option and, you know, and so if they need to do indoors and their budget, they just cannot.

1412
02:44:14,260 --> 02:44:19,040
They just don't have it in their budget, right? Um, but, um, so I really liked what

1413
02:44:19,040 --> 02:44:25,000
supervisor almost was trying to think of a problem-solving solution. Um, it would be nice that

1414
02:44:25,000 --> 02:44:33,060
we could expand what their design professional, um, category look like, um, to a lot more people to

1415
02:44:33,060 --> 02:44:34,780
to do this, be qualified,

1416
02:44:37,400 --> 02:44:42,560
but I'll let that go at this point because I kind of heard staff

1417
02:44:42,560 --> 02:44:52,540
response on that. Going back to what I said before regarding the 60 days to the 90 days. I

1418
02:44:52,540 --> 02:44:59,400
hear everybody. I do think that the outreach and the education can be really important. So I'm

1419
02:44:59,400 --> 02:44:59,980
I'm going to push back.

1420
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:06,000
On that, I'm just going to say, you know, it's a living document as it's reported here. We're going to learn more.

1421
02:45:06,100 --> 02:45:13,520
I really appreciate what Director Bernoulli said about surveys and getting feedback and we can make changes.

1422
02:45:15,720 --> 02:45:27,840
So again, I'm just trying to prevent any barriers for people that they know provide goodwill and you know funding for our community where we need it most.

1423
02:45:30,900 --> 02:45:35,500
Let's see, I think I have one more follow up.

1424
02:45:37,060 --> 02:45:43,260
It's regarding in my request of bringing back the application once it's formed and once it's ready.

1425
02:45:43,960 --> 02:45:47,140
On our next item today, we're going to be looking at that application.

1426
02:45:47,540 --> 02:45:48,700
It's part of our presentation.

1427
02:45:49,740 --> 02:45:52,180
It's my recollection we've looked at applications before.

1428
02:45:52,500 --> 02:45:54,660
It's an online portal that shows the process.

1429
02:45:55,500 --> 02:46:21,420
And so, again, it's not just for this board to have an opportunity in for, but also the public to have an opportunity to see how the manual actually actualizes in the product of the application for, you know, even the layperson to be able to be able to use on this community not just the event professionals to use would be very helpful.

1430
02:46:21,420 --> 02:46:24,300
And so, again, I still then extend that request.

1431
02:46:24,980 --> 02:46:28,420
And then the other request is already standing in terms of looking at,

1432
02:46:29,360 --> 02:46:31,440
and you said something from back in September,

1433
02:46:32,020 --> 02:46:33,900
because we're not talking about fees today.

1434
02:46:34,040 --> 02:46:37,540
Though, when I saw the, you know, not the nonprofit,

1435
02:46:37,660 --> 02:46:40,200
you know, kind of light red line through,

1436
02:46:40,900 --> 02:46:43,200
because the definition, I understood why,

1437
02:46:43,520 --> 02:46:45,100
because that's what it, it tied to.

1438
02:46:45,360 --> 02:46:47,860
That's where I started that discussion,

1439
02:46:48,140 --> 02:46:49,420
but we'll discuss that more in September.

1440
02:46:49,420 --> 02:46:54,500
But, and that's all I have, but just a lot of gratitude. Thank you.

1441
02:46:55,020 --> 02:47:00,340
Okay. Thank you. I see supervisors Gallagher and after that control.

1442
02:47:02,240 --> 02:47:05,200
Thank you. Something that, uh,

1443
02:47:05,200 --> 02:47:07,420
Superzeromus brought up when she asked the question,

1444
02:47:07,480 --> 02:47:11,880
who's the applicant? We need to be really clear who the applicant is.

1445
02:47:11,980 --> 02:47:15,660
I'm looking at the manual and in the, in the burger page at the top,

1446
02:47:15,660 --> 02:47:45,640
It really doesn't say who is the applicant like am I an applicant I see you know the question does my event require and qualify for temporary event license but I think that there is a lot of confusion out there when a winery for example is is hosting or providing the venue for somebody you know doing a fundraiser whatever I don't know that it's completely clear who is responsible for applying is there a way to make that really clear.

1447
02:47:45,660 --> 02:47:53,820
on all the document. So the current application that's located on the website has and this will be

1448
02:47:53,820 --> 02:47:59,980
an application will take that application and that will be used to develop the online application.

1449
02:48:01,840 --> 02:48:10,600
It allows for the applicant who's hosting, who's coordinating the event to apply. But we also

1450
02:48:10,600 --> 02:48:16,740
required the property owner, which would be the winery, to sign acknowledging that they're

1451
02:48:16,740 --> 02:48:23,960
going to use that venue. So we have to have the property owner and the applicant sign

1452
02:48:23,960 --> 02:48:31,220
the application form. And that will be, make sure that. Yeah, that'll be put in the online application

1453
02:48:31,220 --> 02:48:36,320
because they'll have to provide some sort of documentation showing that they have authorization

1454
02:48:36,320 --> 02:48:43,760
to use that venue. Okay. I think that's super important and maybe it's a reason why sometimes these

1455
02:48:43,760 --> 02:48:48,600
applications don't come in because nobody knows who's going to do it. And a property owner can apply to

1456
02:48:48,600 --> 02:48:55,900
for a for a temperament. Right. Right. So you can be sure people understand that if they're involved in the event,

1457
02:48:56,300 --> 02:49:06,300
they are most likely if it's something that needs a permit, they are going to have to be part of the

1458
02:49:06,300 --> 02:49:16,740
are, you know, there's no waving of accountability. Yes, that's okay. The other thing was

1459
02:49:16,740 --> 02:49:22,520
the supervisor of Lesios requested about looking at the application. I don't have a problem

1460
02:49:22,520 --> 02:49:27,100
looking at the application. I don't want to approve applications. I don't want to approve your

1461
02:49:27,100 --> 02:49:34,220
forms. I don't want to approve any departments forms unless there is a legal reason why we have to.

1462
02:49:34,220 --> 02:49:50,780
So I just don't want to get in the habit of approving the forms that you need to create based on our policy direction, so just want to make that clear that we're not setting any kind of precedent or that we would you would be bringing something for us for approval.

1463
02:49:52,340 --> 02:49:53,760
It's prerogative of the board.

1464
02:49:54,260 --> 02:49:55,560
It's not something that we typically

1465
02:49:55,560 --> 02:49:56,780
been asked to do.

1466
02:49:57,000 --> 02:49:58,180
But if it is, we will.

1467
02:49:59,260 --> 02:49:59,900
In my view.

1468
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:28,780
I'm looking at the application now. The manual is the heart and soul of the process. And I'm looking at some of these old things on this checklist and this application that are going to go away because they've become obsolete. And my view, the application should be a one-pager. Your name is the applicant, your name as the property owner, the partial number, the type of event you're applying for and everything else lives in the similar documents that are dictated by the manual.

1469
02:50:28,780 --> 02:50:36,020
There's no sense in requiring 10 page applications anymore, particularly as we're moving to online submittals.

1470
02:50:36,340 --> 02:50:41,440
We don't need folks filling out all these blanks here anymore. This is a lot of obsolete information.

1471
02:50:42,620 --> 02:50:46,240
But that said, I want to be completely respectful of the board.

1472
02:50:46,340 --> 02:50:55,160
If there's a desire to see the new application, we would be more than happy if we're coming back as a check in in six months or a year or I can't remember the interval.

1473
02:50:55,160 --> 02:51:01,880
to present that to the board, if they wish, we will be presenting that to the public and offering

1474
02:51:01,880 --> 02:51:07,180
workshops as to how to submit applications, target it at those that submit temporary applications.

1475
02:51:08,120 --> 02:51:12,100
I suppose all members of the public, if they're interested, are welcome to attend those,

1476
02:51:12,720 --> 02:51:20,080
whether they do or don't submit temporary applications. But again, the idea is to streamline and

1477
02:51:20,080 --> 02:51:25,800
reduce down this 10 page application to one maybe two pages and in fact it won't be a page anymore.

1478
02:51:26,040 --> 02:51:31,180
It's going to live inside the system. Thank you. I think I just wanted to note that

1479
02:51:31,860 --> 02:51:39,640
looking at something is fine, but I don't want to have any role in approval of something like that.

1480
02:51:40,000 --> 02:51:44,760
Yeah and given that's not something that we hadn't anticipated, I do want to caution the

1481
02:51:44,760 --> 02:51:51,740
that if we are asked to bring something before we can launch this, it could jeopardize launching this

1482
02:51:51,740 --> 02:51:58,360
in time for submittals on January 1, particularly if we're going to receive feedback and tweaks on it.

1483
02:51:58,540 --> 02:52:02,920
A lot of this is going to be interacting with our IT department and our internal IT department

1484
02:52:02,920 --> 02:52:07,700
and helping create the system through our online permitting system, which hasn't been built yet.

1485
02:52:08,180 --> 02:52:11,280
Thank you for pointing that out. It's important. Thanks.

1486
02:52:14,800 --> 02:52:16,240
Thank you.

1487
02:52:16,260 --> 02:52:16,360
Thank you.

1488
02:52:16,360 --> 02:52:17,600
I wanted to first go back.

1489
02:52:17,800 --> 02:52:27,380
I like where supervisor Ramos and supervisor, unless you were going in thinking about an applicant not having to recreate the wheel with the space analysis.

1490
02:52:28,160 --> 02:52:37,760
I also think there's only so much that county can do on that because as Mr.

1491
02:52:37,760 --> 02:52:41,880
just what two different applicants working with

1492
02:52:41,880 --> 02:52:44,060
a venue will interact about.

1493
02:52:44,600 --> 02:52:47,520
So maybe my suggestion is maybe we can have some language

1494
02:52:47,520 --> 02:52:49,780
out there that says something like,

1495
02:52:50,040 --> 02:52:53,980
you know, if a venue has had an approved event in this space

1496
02:52:53,980 --> 02:52:56,280
and there has been an approved space analysis,

1497
02:52:56,560 --> 02:52:59,020
like, you know, you may want to use that.

1498
02:52:59,460 --> 02:53:02,380
Or you can, you may be able to use that subject

1499
02:53:02,380 --> 02:53:06,240
to time limitations or just putting applicants on notice

1500
02:53:06,240 --> 02:53:10,820
that that's an option that the county because I think that gets to

1501
02:53:10,820 --> 02:53:15,540
supervisor Ramos's point that we want to be able to say the county's okay with you using

1502
02:53:15,540 --> 02:53:21,560
a previously approved space plan. Yeah that's a good idea because there could be multiple

1503
02:53:21,560 --> 02:53:27,220
applicants for various events and they may not be aware of the previous event organizer having

1504
02:53:27,220 --> 02:53:32,940
submitted a plan. We can include some language in there that makes them aware if they did or

1505
02:53:32,940 --> 02:53:35,760
to find it or otherwise kind of get a good suggestion.

1506
02:53:36,400 --> 02:53:41,840
Great. Thank you. Okay, great suggestion. I was going to say something very similar to what

1507
02:53:41,840 --> 02:53:47,880
Supervisor Katyal just suggested. And that's along the lines of as our staff pointed out,

1508
02:53:47,920 --> 02:53:52,100
you know, the tables could be moved around or, you know, certain things could change. But,

1509
02:53:52,120 --> 02:53:57,420
you know, if there's a, if there's something already on file and the plans were seen in the first

1510
02:53:57,420 --> 02:54:02,680
iteration, I don't see why you'd want to see the same plans again at, you know, at an extra

1511
02:54:02,680 --> 02:54:09,120
expense whoever's coming after that because presumably if you've permitted a situation in a certain

1512
02:54:09,120 --> 02:54:15,760
configuration once, I can't see why it would be denied for the same situation a second time

1513
02:54:15,760 --> 02:54:20,820
around. So I think I think that's a great suggestion. Thank you. Supervisor Petrell.

1514
02:54:23,000 --> 02:54:31,880
Let's see. I have a couple of things here. I do also want to thank everyone on the board for

1515
02:54:31,880 --> 02:54:36,780
very likely discussion here, and everyone in the public for participating in this through

1516
02:54:36,780 --> 02:54:43,000
the last couple of years, there's been a lot of conversation and staff is taking a lot of

1517
02:54:43,000 --> 02:54:46,820
different perspectives than to consideration getting to where we are today.

1518
02:54:50,220 --> 02:54:50,760
Okay.

1519
02:54:51,820 --> 02:54:56,720
I think my only outstanding item is the great thing about going last is everything's already

1520
02:54:56,720 --> 02:54:57,400
been discussed.

1521
02:54:58,480 --> 02:54:59,780
Who clearly outstanding items?

1522
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:29,980
Is that I read through this and I correct me if I'm wrong, please point me to the language if I am wrong. But for the categories of events that we have, there's limitations on the number of each type of event you can have over the course of a year, so per type 2A, there can be six events type 2B, six events type 3, six events type 4, 3 events type 5, 2 events type 6, 1 event and they have to be separated from any other events.

1523
02:55:30,000 --> 02:55:38,040
typically by four days, right. But I don't actually see any language addressing additive events.

1524
02:55:38,500 --> 02:55:47,000
And so if a entity, if a location wanted to be doing, each type of event to the max with

1525
02:55:47,000 --> 02:55:51,640
the maximum number of people, this would be actually be a terrific amount of events potentially

1526
02:55:51,640 --> 02:55:57,680
going on every other week across a year. So yeah, so please let me know if I miss something.

1527
02:55:57,680 --> 02:56:04,820
If there's a place in here where it says, you know, additively no more than X, that's that's my question.

1528
02:56:06,120 --> 02:56:11,500
There is not and that is what's currently existing in our ordinance right now as well.

1529
02:56:12,200 --> 02:56:17,480
So it is per parcel and they could have the max two a two b three.

1530
02:56:17,980 --> 02:56:22,380
Okay, and I can see where that's something that I mean,

1531
02:56:22,380 --> 02:56:28,940
of a facility would pretty much have to be designed around functioning at that incredibly high level of capacity.

1532
02:56:31,400 --> 02:56:36,820
My concern is that we're looking at the entire county jurisdiction and this included

1533
02:56:36,820 --> 02:56:44,420
places that are very accessible as well as places that are very remote. And this is this is

1534
02:56:44,420 --> 02:56:50,420
what I'm struggling with. Like if it's not, if there's no, I mean I guess we can, you know,

1535
02:56:50,420 --> 02:56:55,380
have arrested at a board at a future date if there's an ongoing concern somewhere in the community,

1536
02:56:56,420 --> 02:57:03,980
but I do feel like that's an area of potential oversight in terms of the impact that could exist,

1537
02:57:04,580 --> 02:57:10,440
particularly in a place that is where people have a reasonable expectation that they're living in a quiet

1538
02:57:10,440 --> 02:57:13,940
part of the community and all of a sudden something really changes.

1539
02:57:15,580 --> 02:57:19,000
So I don't know if there's anything more anyone on staff has to say about that,

1540
02:57:19,000 --> 02:57:22,120
or if I'm just kind of playing that out there as a, yeah.

1541
02:57:23,120 --> 02:57:26,840
Yes, I think this is where the reviewing agencies come into play.

1542
02:57:27,500 --> 02:57:36,760
We had an event out in Pope Valley and emergency management services required that an ambulance

1543
02:57:36,760 --> 02:57:42,440
be put on site because of the distance to such services.

1544
02:57:43,640 --> 02:57:46,080
We look at traffic control, we look at music.

1545
02:57:46,080 --> 02:57:54,120
Even though the ordinance says that you can have an event that goes till midnight, most of the events are till 10 o'clock.

1546
02:57:54,420 --> 02:58:06,940
We have the noise ordinance that plays into how loud the music can play and the noise and everything not to disturb the neighbors in the surrounding area.

1547
02:58:07,180 --> 02:58:15,880
And this is where those neighbors will get notified and if there are some concerns and say it's a notice of intent that doesn't require.

1548
02:58:15,880 --> 02:58:23,600
hearing. We would work with the applicant and the party that made comments to make sure that

1549
02:58:23,600 --> 02:58:29,880
those issues would be addressed during the hearing or during the review of the application.

1550
02:58:29,940 --> 02:58:35,800
If there's a hearing, then they can come and testify. But either way, we would have them work directly

1551
02:58:35,800 --> 02:58:43,760
with the applicant to try to resolve any of those issues that make them up. Okay, thank you.

1552
02:58:44,240 --> 02:58:48,100
I guess I can I can just close this by with a little bit of an

1553
02:58:48,100 --> 02:58:54,880
advantagement to people to be neighborly. And we'd all prefer to not be hearing complaints,

1554
02:58:55,200 --> 02:58:58,840
and so just take into consideration and communicate well with your neighbors. As this rolls out,

1555
02:58:58,960 --> 02:59:05,360
I hope we have no problems, but I do see that as a potential problem area if people are not neighborly.

1556
02:59:05,360 --> 02:59:23,960
So, um, so thank you so much for considering that. Um, okay, we are here. So, um, seeing no further comments from the board, I will close the public hearing and I will ask for a motion of intent to adopt the ordinance.

1557
02:59:25,460 --> 02:59:30,420
I will go ahead and move and I'm going to first of all ask for county council.

1558
02:59:30,760 --> 02:59:37,740
I know that this is we make the motion with an intent to adopt the ordinance and then

1559
02:59:37,740 --> 02:59:40,140
the final adoption will be at our next board meeting.

1560
02:59:40,900 --> 02:59:46,800
So I will move that the board intent to adopt the ordinance of the Napa County Board of Supervisors

1561
02:59:46,800 --> 02:59:59,540
remaining chapter 5.36 of the Napa County Code, and then I will also make a motion that we adopt the resolution approving the temporary events manual and the right.

1562
03:00:00,560 --> 03:00:01,840
Second, we're almost.

1563
03:00:06,350 --> 03:00:11,190
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Motion by control. Second, my supervisor, Ramus, all those in favor. Aye.

1564
03:00:11,810 --> 03:00:14,670
That passes unanimously. Thank you.

1565
03:00:17,100 --> 03:00:17,320
Okay.

1566
03:00:18,260 --> 03:00:23,660
We're moving on to administrative item 10A. And I do recognize that we are hitting the lunch hour.

1567
03:00:24,180 --> 03:00:32,780
And I will, let's take item 10A because I know there are people from out of the area here specifically to speak to it.

1568
03:00:32,780 --> 03:00:42,560
And then after that, we will see where we're at and we may take a lunch break depending on how long this takes or you may power it through if it's quick.

1569
03:01:36,250 --> 03:01:38,910
So, um, supervisor Gallagher will rejoin us in just a moment.

1570
03:01:39,410 --> 03:01:44,690
Let's go ahead with item 10A, the adoption or consideration of adoption of a resolution updating the NAP account.

1571
03:01:44,690 --> 03:01:51,510
left-turn lane or in slash screening continued from June 23rd, 2026, I welcome a staff report from

1572
03:01:51,510 --> 03:01:54,950
our Public Works Director Steve Letter and affiliates.

1573
03:01:56,190 --> 03:02:01,150
Thank you, Chair Man Free Members of the Board. I am here with S. and Cosmy, our County

1574
03:02:01,150 --> 03:02:09,270
Traffic Engineer and Jeff Rubendol of Fair and Peers, and they will both have roles here shortly.

1575
03:02:09,270 --> 03:02:15,190
Um, for background, um, as you mentioned, we were here on June 23rd.

1576
03:02:15,250 --> 03:02:21,270
There was one public comment, um, when we came on June 23rd from Michelle Benvenuto of

1577
03:02:21,270 --> 03:02:28,130
great growers, uh, we did meet with Michelle, and she was so satisfied that I think she left.

1578
03:02:29,390 --> 03:02:35,170
So, um, and we've not received any additional public comment since, uh, June 23rd.

1579
03:02:35,170 --> 03:02:40,930
So, by background, our current left-turn lane process,

1580
03:02:41,310 --> 03:02:44,750
basically the process whereby we determined whether a private

1581
03:02:44,750 --> 03:02:47,270
development requires a left-turn lane or not,

1582
03:02:47,590 --> 03:02:50,810
was originally established in the 1980s.

1583
03:02:51,010 --> 03:02:53,110
And it had actually been working reasonably well,

1584
03:02:53,410 --> 03:02:54,410
but it was old.

1585
03:02:55,430 --> 03:02:59,770
And a lot of the history behind its original establishment

1586
03:02:59,770 --> 03:03:09,690
was lost a time, if you will. Council had recommended that it would be a good idea to update

1587
03:03:09,690 --> 03:03:19,150
the standard to today's current standard technology, if you will. And also, of course,

1588
03:03:19,390 --> 03:03:24,010
have the background available to defend it. So that was the process we went through.

1589
03:03:28,210 --> 03:03:29,110
We also

1590
03:03:29,110 --> 03:03:31,790
contacted a number of our local practitioners

1591
03:03:32,710 --> 03:03:33,970
to get their input.

1592
03:03:34,430 --> 03:03:39,190
The goal was to make the current process easier to use

1593
03:03:39,190 --> 03:03:40,970
and more clear.

1594
03:03:41,590 --> 03:03:43,590
Obviously, the fence among them,

1595
03:03:43,610 --> 03:03:46,110
there was no desire to make it harder.

1596
03:03:46,190 --> 03:03:48,770
In fact, it actually is probably a little slightly easier

1597
03:03:48,770 --> 03:03:51,290
in a couple of cases, harder or easier.

1598
03:03:51,490 --> 03:03:55,990
I mean, we're not expected that we're going to get a whole

1599
03:03:55,990 --> 03:03:57,930
bunch more left-turn lanes that we would

1600
03:03:57,930 --> 03:04:04,150
otherwise or a whole bunch less that was that was not the goal. So we are here today and we're

1601
03:04:04,150 --> 03:04:11,350
going to ask you to adopt a resolution updating the left-turn lane warranty screening process.

1602
03:04:11,470 --> 03:04:19,650
We did include some of our process type items in the agenda item, our left-turn lane analysis,

1603
03:04:19,910 --> 03:04:26,610
the screening and user guide, the fillable form that we'll be using and we included it largely

1604
03:04:26,610 --> 03:04:32,030
because I think it's kind of cool, but we're not asking you to adopt that. Just the, just the

1605
03:04:32,030 --> 03:04:36,450
resolution. So I'm going to stop here. I'm going to turn this over to Jeff from Fair and

1606
03:04:36,450 --> 03:04:44,410
Pierce. We did want to get expert outside analysis and Jeff's going to talk for about eight

1607
03:04:44,410 --> 03:04:47,610
minutes and no more and we'll get you guys to watch.

1608
03:04:50,220 --> 03:04:51,660
Thank you. Jeff, we're going to look

1609
03:04:51,660 --> 03:04:55,420
fair and Pierce. I'm just had a couple slides to walk through the process. Some of the key

1610
03:04:55,420 --> 03:04:57,900
mindings and answer any questions you all might have.

1611
03:04:58,280 --> 03:04:59,760
Just don't echo what Steve C. mentioned.

1612
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:08,420
Is really the goal was to find an objective and defensible process, make it a streamlined and easy to apply as possible that's consistent and transparent.

1613
03:05:11,110 --> 03:05:23,570
The current process that was established in the 80s, like I said mentioned, is a curve, a graph like this, that somebody would apply data to and with a little bit of details in how you apply it.

1614
03:05:24,390 --> 03:05:29,770
It's a pretty simple way to do it is just the underlying research and basis was hard to track down.

1615
03:05:29,770 --> 03:05:41,450
established but not necessarily as as documented. So we kind of identified like what we kind of looked, we research what the typical best practices are for left turn, you know, screening criteria.

1616
03:05:41,710 --> 03:05:47,130
What kind of inputs are easy to collect in terms of the methods as well as the cost to do so.

1617
03:05:47,570 --> 03:05:55,850
And other traffic engineering basics that are pretty common to when you're evaluating a new site in an area like Napa County.

1618
03:05:57,610 --> 03:06:00,950
If did a fair amount of research going back many decades,

1619
03:06:01,770 --> 03:06:04,510
there's been a lot of research about left-term warrants,

1620
03:06:04,710 --> 03:06:08,050
and when you should have one, when you shouldn't nest on a need to have one,

1621
03:06:08,490 --> 03:06:10,270
the most recent one being in 2013,

1622
03:06:11,150 --> 03:06:14,130
which is the National Cooperative Highway Research Program,

1623
03:06:14,250 --> 03:06:18,570
or NCHRP report, which is a federally recognized research-based

1624
03:06:18,570 --> 03:06:22,990
series of traffic engineering fundamental reports and documents

1625
03:06:22,990 --> 03:06:25,650
that kind of help set the standards for

1626
03:06:25,650 --> 03:06:30,070
typical traffic engineering, civil engineering, geometric roadway design elements.

1627
03:06:31,370 --> 03:06:36,190
What we found as part of this is that the previous, because this is the most recent one

1628
03:06:36,190 --> 03:06:41,190
was established in 2013, everything that preceded that is actually based off the underlying

1629
03:06:41,190 --> 03:06:46,030
research from the 60s with very little update over the time other than just applying that

1630
03:06:46,030 --> 03:06:48,470
same data set in slightly different contexts.

1631
03:06:48,970 --> 03:06:53,010
So what we found is that there's actually an opportunity to leverage the most current research

1632
03:06:53,010 --> 03:06:54,370
associated with that.

1633
03:06:54,370 --> 03:07:01,230
This is a snapshot of that old 1967 research, as you can tell it's very greeny, where the application

1634
03:07:01,230 --> 03:07:07,990
of it is a little harder to apply. So it does kind of track that the older research does sort of

1635
03:07:07,990 --> 03:07:14,630
correlate to the established napkinny curved graph. It wasn't necessarily a one-to-one comparison.

1636
03:07:15,430 --> 03:07:20,310
So what we found was using the most current and CHRP process, which is actually

1637
03:07:20,310 --> 03:07:32,510
It seems like weird, but it's the straight lines and it gets very easy to plot data points and you don't have to interpret whether it's you're rounding up or down or anything like that, and it's very common in the specific context of NAPA County.

1638
03:07:33,690 --> 03:07:41,870
So comparing the old graph with what we are seeing is what the current research supports, just a slightly, it's very, yes, it's a graph and you can plot numbers on it.

1639
03:07:41,870 --> 03:07:46,270
but really at the underlying research and the thresholds with which to apply left-turn

1640
03:07:46,270 --> 03:07:50,390
Elaine is easily applied with the current research.

1641
03:07:51,730 --> 03:07:57,090
In summary, the proposed process itself offers a safety-based research-based approach that

1642
03:07:57,090 --> 03:08:02,610
uses peak-hour traffic, existing traffic and proposed traffic predictions using an industry-bet

1643
03:08:02,610 --> 03:08:06,610
relying on industry best practices related to traffic engineering and safety interventions.

1644
03:08:07,450 --> 03:08:12,950
The quick summary of the things that change, it is based off of the Federal Highway Safety Manual.

1645
03:08:13,530 --> 03:08:21,010
It uses definitive, collectible data such as peak algorithms, turning movements both existing and closed or calculated.

1646
03:08:21,410 --> 03:08:25,110
Very distinct linear lines making it easier to plot.

1647
03:08:25,590 --> 03:08:29,010
And it's consistent with current as practices.

1648
03:08:29,770 --> 03:08:33,210
And we actually use a fair amount of previous data as part of other applications.

1649
03:08:33,210 --> 03:08:39,270
to make sure that how that different approach may have changed whether a left-room lane would

1650
03:08:39,270 --> 03:08:44,030
be needed or not, and found some interesting correlations very similar to the results of Steve

1651
03:08:44,030 --> 03:08:52,010
alluded to with a few exceptions. Process itself streamlined. It's very similar to the type of data

1652
03:08:52,010 --> 03:08:56,230
that would be collected as part of a traffic impact analysis. Even if a traffic impact analysis

1653
03:08:56,230 --> 03:09:01,270
is screened out, there's still that process that we would be suggesting followed to collect

1654
03:09:01,270 --> 03:09:06,230
data of the surrounding area, there's a very established volume

1655
03:09:06,230 --> 03:09:08,990
warrants that you applied during that NCHRP document.

1656
03:09:09,330 --> 03:09:13,310
We did include a site distance assessment which is kind of separate from

1657
03:09:13,310 --> 03:09:17,630
a volume based approach to make sure that the roadway geometry itself

1658
03:09:17,630 --> 03:09:23,170
is allows for safe movement of people in cars as well as allowing

1659
03:09:23,170 --> 03:09:29,670
the ultimate result allowing county to weigh in on specific context of a

1660
03:09:29,670 --> 03:09:37,610
application to make sure that it's as concrete as possible, but also gives the county the ultimate decision based on other external factors.

1661
03:09:39,690 --> 03:09:50,350
Steve mentioned the form. This is a snapshot of it. It's basically a cell document that you can fill out and it populates the results using a series of formulas that are underneath it.

1662
03:09:51,150 --> 03:09:59,530
We also developed a user guide that is geared towards the applicants themselves and their consultants or whoever they're using to support the development of their

1663
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:05,560
It really walks through how to fill out the form, some of the underlying research, but really just

1664
03:10:05,560 --> 03:10:11,320
alluding to the appropriate federal documents, so a design professional or a professional can kind of

1665
03:10:11,320 --> 03:10:14,200
track the end document, the basis of the analysis.

1666
03:10:16,220 --> 03:10:19,040
So in summary, the new process that we're proposing is

1667
03:10:19,040 --> 03:10:25,980
defendable, compatible with the current county GIS guidelines. There's very little room for interpretation,

1668
03:10:25,980 --> 03:10:35,740
and argument and it still ultimately provides the decision authority to decision making authority to staff through the best practices and the context of our particular application.

1669
03:10:38,110 --> 03:10:40,610
With that, happy to answer any questions you all may have.

1670
03:10:41,650 --> 03:10:43,890
Okay, thank you so much for that presentation.

1671
03:10:44,710 --> 03:10:47,150
I see Supervisor Carroll.

1672
03:10:50,220 --> 03:10:53,660
Yeah, thank you for this presentation and this work.

1673
03:10:53,840 --> 03:10:54,920
It makes a lot of sense.

1674
03:10:54,920 --> 03:10:58,980
It's going to, again, provide more clarity for applicants and stuff.

1675
03:10:59,620 --> 03:11:09,320
So my question is, so it sounds like there's these will result in similar, you know,

1676
03:11:09,380 --> 03:11:16,440
we're not changing what the, well, not that we are changing the standard, but it's not the

1677
03:11:16,440 --> 03:11:20,300
volumes aren't going to be significantly different.

1678
03:11:20,300 --> 03:11:30,940
Can you help us understand for current applications or that maybe already had their analyses accepted?

1679
03:11:31,420 --> 03:11:35,680
Are we going to go back and do anything and once that kind of change over date?

1680
03:11:36,220 --> 03:11:36,580
Thank you.

1681
03:11:36,840 --> 03:11:38,780
I was actually going to cover that.

1682
03:11:39,120 --> 03:11:39,520
Great.

1683
03:11:39,780 --> 03:11:40,400
Great question.

1684
03:11:42,280 --> 03:11:48,920
So if an application is already considered complete and they've done the old process,

1685
03:11:48,920 --> 03:11:57,360
We're not going to ask them to do that. Again, they can just, they can do the result from the, the previous. So let me just make clear.

1686
03:11:57,860 --> 03:12:02,440
So when applications are, again, it's complete. They did the old process and they don't require a left term.

1687
03:12:02,720 --> 03:12:15,420
We're not going to make them do this new process to see if, so they're good. The flip side of that is if they already have an application and, and the old way did require a left term line.

1688
03:12:15,420 --> 03:12:21,040
if they want to do the new process and see if they can get a different result, they're welcome to

1689
03:12:21,040 --> 03:12:27,820
do that. If their date is really old, they'll need to get current data. But we're not we're not

1690
03:12:27,820 --> 03:12:35,160
trying to jeopardize anyone who's already done who's already completed the work. So I don't think I

1691
03:12:35,160 --> 03:12:37,560
that really well, but I hopefully, I'm going to

1692
03:12:37,560 --> 03:12:40,160
just do something about that. Thank you. Appreciate that.

1693
03:12:41,500 --> 03:12:44,000
Okay, I did not take public comment.

1694
03:12:44,700 --> 03:12:48,160
So is there anyone wishing to speak up?

1695
03:12:48,740 --> 03:12:50,140
Yeah, go ahead and come up to the podium.

1696
03:12:50,300 --> 03:12:51,200
We'll have three minutes.

1697
03:12:54,040 --> 03:12:55,020
After Aaron jobs to board,

1698
03:12:55,240 --> 03:12:56,060
to get some peatmen authority,

1699
03:12:56,280 --> 03:12:58,180
not here for any particular client.

1700
03:12:59,620 --> 03:13:00,500
Since I've been

1701
03:13:00,960 --> 03:13:03,140
credited and or blamed for this,

1702
03:13:03,140 --> 03:13:05,020
I figured it was only fair for me to show up.

1703
03:13:05,020 --> 03:13:08,960
This has been a long run in discussion with public works on this.

1704
03:13:08,960 --> 03:13:12,540
I do appreciate all the effort that went into this director letter or awesome.

1705
03:13:13,460 --> 03:13:16,880
The team that came up with the new warrant.

1706
03:13:17,000 --> 03:13:23,540
There is now an engineer warrant that replaces the old graph that I will leave for another day,

1707
03:13:23,540 --> 03:13:25,500
whether or not there was any basis for that or not,

1708
03:13:25,780 --> 03:13:28,940
but so I'm glad to see that we've got something new.

1709
03:13:29,520 --> 03:13:36,820
You know, on our specific comments about it, I will note that there was only one option presented to the board, which was,

1710
03:13:36,820 --> 03:13:41,600
frankly, a very restrictive, more and there were other options for the board to consider.

1711
03:13:42,220 --> 03:13:49,820
It is not consistent with the call transfer and so there was to be two different warrants in place in Napa County with two different results.

1712
03:13:50,620 --> 03:13:58,560
Projects that are on state highway will be subject to a different standard than this, and that is a looser standard just so everybody is aware of that.

1713
03:13:59,460 --> 03:14:04,100
The other thing that hasn't been talked about at all is the cost of benefit, the left-turn

1714
03:14:04,100 --> 03:14:05,000
lanes in general.

1715
03:14:06,660 --> 03:14:10,920
You know, all of the costs right now is put on the applicant and the event of the left-turn

1716
03:14:10,920 --> 03:14:16,680
lane is required, but the applicant gets very little of the benefit from the left-turn lane.

1717
03:14:16,980 --> 03:14:22,220
One of the big benefits of the left-turn lane is reducing backups behind left-turn vehicles.

1718
03:14:22,820 --> 03:14:24,660
That's a public benefit, right?

1719
03:14:24,660 --> 03:14:37,920
And so for this board and you don't have to consider this now, but for the future, you should think about, you know, who should really be bearing the cost of these public improvements that are designed to be traffic for the public.

1720
03:14:38,540 --> 03:14:44,120
But, you read minimal benefits for the ash wool, you know, applicant this charge with putting the man.

1721
03:14:45,700 --> 03:14:50,980
Because these are very expensive installations, right, a million dollars to put in a left turn, could they?

1722
03:14:52,340 --> 03:14:59,980
And the other thing for the board to think about is the perception that a winery spoon required to put these in.

1723
03:15:00,690 --> 03:15:29,010
And the county is not putting them in. All right. If you write up a silver router trail, you at north of your park, there's a dozen left turn lanes to wineries. There's not a single one at any public intersection. All right, so keep that in mind. When you know wineries shows up and says, why do I have to put in a left turn lane when the county's not doing it. But with you know what that all said, I'm glad to see a little bit of progress on a little concern about.

1724
03:15:29,850 --> 03:15:38,470
The language in the site distance, it seems to mandate changes, rather than make them discretionary.

1725
03:15:40,170 --> 03:15:46,690
The new language is that changes will be made to infrastructure, as opposed to maybe required to infrastructure.

1726
03:15:47,890 --> 03:15:54,330
I think that should be clarified a bit, because otherwise you're going to end up seeing a lot of exception requests.

1727
03:15:55,130 --> 03:16:00,330
So, but with that, thank you to Steve and the team for seeing this process through.

1728
03:16:01,250 --> 03:16:05,310
Okay, thank you for this comments. Is there anyone on the phones?

1729
03:16:09,250 --> 03:16:12,950
Okay, no, so no one on the phones. I don't see anyone else in the room. Is there anyone else?

1730
03:16:13,030 --> 03:16:16,130
Oh, I see on the board wishing to comment. I see Vice Chair Lesio.

1731
03:16:17,990 --> 03:16:24,590
And thank you. Thank you for the comment. That was, that was interesting and helpful.

1732
03:16:24,590 --> 03:16:31,350
Does that have any response in terms of any of the comments and questions that were brought up

1733
03:16:31,350 --> 03:16:36,790
especially the two different standards between cow trans and our own? That's like distance?

1734
03:16:37,290 --> 03:16:47,130
Yeah, a couple of things. One is I will I will credit not blame Josh for kind of driving the kind of the original

1735
03:16:47,130 --> 03:16:57,330
but this program, we probably wouldn't have done it otherwise, but I think we ultimately benefit from doing it.

1736
03:16:58,070 --> 03:17:03,110
So actually, I'm not playing credit, so thank you on that.

1737
03:17:03,750 --> 03:17:16,630
So a couple of things, one, in terms of the value of left turn lanes, and I do disagree in that a Wangerie does benefit very much from a left turn lane.

1738
03:17:17,650 --> 03:17:24,870
absolutely a left-turn lane helps with flow of traffic. There's no question about that, but there are also safety elements associated with it.

1739
03:17:25,370 --> 03:17:31,890
We all know on so about a trail, for instance, if there is not a left-turn lane to winery.

1740
03:17:33,470 --> 03:17:38,090
First off, again, the safety element in terms of rear end accidents and what not.

1741
03:17:38,130 --> 03:17:44,570
Secondly, in terms of cars diving to the right essentially into the bike lane to go around someone to make a left-turn lane.

1742
03:17:44,570 --> 03:17:52,110
So there are definitely safety benefits that accrue to the people making that left

1743
03:17:52,110 --> 03:17:55,850
online and the people around the person trying to make that left turn.

1744
03:17:56,670 --> 03:18:00,250
So I believe it is a joint benefit.

1745
03:18:01,350 --> 03:18:05,450
In terms of the cost of a left turn lane, obviously everyone's different.

1746
03:18:05,950 --> 03:18:11,210
We did do a partnership deal with the winery recently.

1747
03:18:11,210 --> 03:18:18,430
we were doing a paving project, they needed a left-turn lane so we partnered on it and even using

1748
03:18:18,430 --> 03:18:25,150
government expenses, if you will, you know, all of our rules and prevailing wage and all that.

1749
03:18:25,450 --> 03:18:32,590
The project was I think about $430,000, which I think is way more typical than the million and

1750
03:18:32,590 --> 03:18:38,910
the million and the half numbers that I often hear thrown around. So I have not the $400,000

1751
03:18:38,910 --> 03:18:47,570
significant amount of money, but it's not a million dollars. Josh is correct that there are

1752
03:18:47,570 --> 03:18:53,510
some, some intersections on Silverado Trail, that are public intersections that don't have left

1753
03:18:53,510 --> 03:18:59,270
her lanes. I mean generally what happens with a left-turn lane is a, is a project triggers

1754
03:19:00,110 --> 03:19:07,690
the need for it. For instance, when the county built our new jail, we put in a traffic signal.

1755
03:19:07,690 --> 03:19:15,370
that was required. So what generally triggers, I suppose if the county wants to build a winery next

1756
03:19:15,370 --> 03:19:19,850
to done a wheel lane, then the county will probably be required to put in left turn light.

1757
03:19:20,270 --> 03:19:26,310
That being said, when we do a paving project, we do look at safety and we do look at, you know,

1758
03:19:26,770 --> 03:19:33,230
the oftentimes depends on simply whether there's enough space there and we definitely add those sort

1759
03:19:33,230 --> 03:19:37,990
safety improvements when we count in the context of county projects.

1760
03:19:39,250 --> 03:19:44,370
The last, last thing, the count trans standards versus the county standards, Josh's

1761
03:19:44,370 --> 03:19:45,070
correct.

1762
03:19:45,550 --> 03:19:47,450
Count trans does have their own standard.

1763
03:19:48,410 --> 03:19:54,410
When we started this process, sometime ago, we actually talked to a number of local traffic

1764
03:19:54,410 --> 03:19:58,510
engineers and sort of, well, why don't we just go use the count trans standards and

1765
03:19:58,510 --> 03:19:59,510
they were horrified?

1766
03:19:59,510 --> 03:19:59,970
You're all right.

1767
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:05,680
Go, we do not want it. They're basically the CalTrans standard is really, really difficult to

1768
03:20:05,680 --> 03:20:11,780
use. They did not want to go that way. It is also true. The CalTrans standard is somewhat less

1769
03:20:11,780 --> 03:20:17,380
restrictive than the county standard. Our new standard is essentially the same as the old county

1770
03:20:17,380 --> 03:20:26,440
standard. We did not try and change that. I'll just say the CalTrans roads are different than hours

1771
03:20:26,440 --> 03:20:28,020
in a lot of different ways,

1772
03:20:30,200 --> 03:20:34,120
and our standard is what effectively, what it's been and it

1773
03:20:34,120 --> 03:20:40,800
serves as pretty well. That being said, if the board wanted a different standard, we could

1774
03:20:40,800 --> 03:20:42,860
go back and create a different standard.

1775
03:20:43,540 --> 03:20:49,580
Yeah, can you explain some of those in terms of not the process, it sounds like the process,

1776
03:20:49,580 --> 03:20:54,580
health trans processes, you know, complicated, but there's more

1777
03:20:54,580 --> 03:21:00,460
flexibility or ease to it. What could some of those benefits be that

1778
03:21:00,460 --> 03:21:03,060
count trans has that actually could benefit us here at the county?

1779
03:21:03,560 --> 03:21:07,400
Yeah, the count trans stand, you know, the process is really complicated,

1780
03:21:07,500 --> 03:21:11,600
but just separate from that. The short answer is that there are projects

1781
03:21:11,600 --> 03:21:15,040
under the count trans standards that won't require a left turn line

1782
03:21:15,040 --> 03:21:22,980
where some under the county standard will. So they end up with fewer left turn links than we do.

1783
03:21:23,400 --> 03:21:30,400
But again, their processes are very different for a lot of reasons. For instance, if you look at

1784
03:21:30,400 --> 03:21:36,200
state route 29, as we go up the valley, counterances invested at the tremendous amount of money

1785
03:21:36,200 --> 03:21:45,020
about with doing a standard dual left turn line in a lot of different places. So a lot of

1786
03:21:45,020 --> 03:21:48,280
could be restaurants, other businesses along there,

1787
03:21:48,440 --> 03:21:50,380
end up not having to do the left turn line simply

1788
03:21:50,380 --> 03:21:54,080
because count trends has already built that infrastructure.

1789
03:21:55,300 --> 03:21:56,880
If you look at Silver Outer Trail,

1790
03:21:57,100 --> 03:22:02,000
there are areas of the trail that are over time

1791
03:22:02,000 --> 03:22:04,980
have significantly been built out with wider shoulders

1792
03:22:04,980 --> 03:22:06,920
and whatnot that are closer to 29,

1793
03:22:07,500 --> 03:22:09,540
but there are areas of the trail that are not.

1794
03:22:10,180 --> 03:22:13,920
So I hope that answers your question.

1795
03:22:13,920 --> 03:22:19,060
Yeah, on my recollection, if I'm visualizing, remember correctly, there's a left-hand

1796
03:22:19,060 --> 03:22:25,340
turn line going south, northbound on subroad, trail turning on the yonkel crossroad.

1797
03:22:25,840 --> 03:22:30,480
So I recall there wouldn't be there. I don't recall if there's one at Oak Null or not.

1798
03:22:30,480 --> 03:22:35,980
I know that's a high hazard area, that'll have access to Oak Null. They think there's one at Oak Null.

1799
03:22:36,020 --> 03:22:42,620
There is. Okay, so we do have some, um, and we're those both by couch hounds or us.

1800
03:22:42,620 --> 03:22:44,780
Well, the ones on the trail are built by us.

1801
03:22:45,000 --> 03:22:45,660
Okay, that's right.

1802
03:22:45,940 --> 03:22:46,260
Okay.

1803
03:22:46,700 --> 03:22:47,380
Well, that's good to know.

1804
03:22:47,700 --> 03:22:51,560
There's a couple additional slides that I received that weren't in this presentation.

1805
03:22:52,400 --> 03:22:54,080
Maybe we cut the presentation short.

1806
03:22:54,400 --> 03:22:54,880
I don't know.

1807
03:22:55,020 --> 03:22:57,840
Please, or maybe I wasn't looking at your entire presentation.

1808
03:23:00,760 --> 03:23:00,860
Good.

1809
03:23:01,020 --> 03:23:04,080
I definitely leave that right after the slide, which is like walking through the form itself.

1810
03:23:04,540 --> 03:23:04,840
Yeah.

1811
03:23:04,840 --> 03:23:07,780
If we can do that if we if there's a question about that.

1812
03:23:07,900 --> 03:23:09,220
No, I was just going to compliment.

1813
03:23:10,560 --> 03:23:16,660
the form improvement, just because it's excelled based, which is going to help people to

1814
03:23:16,660 --> 03:23:22,840
automated, you know, calculations. So I think that's great. It looks really simple, you know,

1815
03:23:22,920 --> 03:23:29,000
it looks very streamlined. So I was just in a compliment on that. And, you know,

1816
03:23:30,420 --> 03:23:35,560
you're one slide, you know, the new process will, it's defendable, compatible, minimal work

1817
03:23:35,560 --> 03:23:42,140
room, which I think we were talking about there, which can be a plus or not, but and the

1818
03:23:42,140 --> 03:23:47,320
decision to make authority. So I just thought was worthwhile, just to mention that you did

1819
03:23:47,320 --> 03:23:52,700
out these sides for more clarity and information on the form of the application process.

1820
03:23:53,180 --> 03:23:58,220
Yeah, I will say when we were plotting against the old graph, particularly if you got close to

1821
03:23:58,220 --> 03:24:04,600
the line, this was a graph that was drawn 30 years ago. So it was drawn with a pencil. And as you

1822
03:24:04,600 --> 03:24:09,800
close to the graph, it was very easy to try and decide whether your dot was on the line or

1823
03:24:09,800 --> 03:24:16,380
above the line and with the new form, we just got to yes or no. So it's clearer.

1824
03:24:16,900 --> 03:24:20,200
All right, thank you very much, thank you for your time. Yeah, just add to it. It also does

1825
03:24:20,200 --> 03:24:25,360
plot the actual dot in unbubber below that line, so you actually can visualize it as well.

1826
03:24:25,520 --> 03:24:33,860
Great, great, thank you. Okay, thanks, great, great input there from everyone all around. I just want

1827
03:24:33,860 --> 03:24:39,060
to just want to call out that from the perspective of the general public or the county that

1828
03:24:39,060 --> 03:24:42,900
went and applicant comes forward with a process, they're asking for a change to existing

1829
03:24:42,900 --> 03:24:48,180
conditions and there's, you know, that's their prerogative to ask for the change. And for

1830
03:24:48,180 --> 03:24:52,660
me, it's hard to understand why it would be the public's duty to then pay for the change

1831
03:24:52,660 --> 03:24:59,240
that they're requesting. So just from that public perspective, you just call out kind of the

1832
03:24:59,240 --> 03:24:59,980
difference in how

1833
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:05,780
Now, that looks from a different angle. And I will also call out that we have recently prioritized

1834
03:25:05,780 --> 03:25:12,000
a terminated opening, which I'm looking for, you know, that's a important project for us. And that

1835
03:25:12,000 --> 03:25:17,540
vision zero, which is a goal of zero, serious injuries and zero fatalities on our roads is a priority

1836
03:25:17,540 --> 03:25:23,620
for this entire board and anything that moves us in that direction is welcome. So, thank you for that

1837
03:25:23,620 --> 03:25:29,840
and for our entire community helping us work toward that goal. I don't see any further

1838
03:25:29,840 --> 03:25:30,980
comments from my colleagues.

1839
03:25:34,940 --> 03:25:37,920
So I will ask for a motion to adopt the resolution.

1840
03:25:43,840 --> 03:25:44,680
Thank you.

1841
03:25:44,680 --> 03:25:49,180
I have a motion from Supervisor Gallagher. I'll second that. Second from Supervisor Control.

1842
03:25:49,920 --> 03:25:58,500
All those in, are there any deliberations? Now, all those in favor. I pass it as unanimously. Thank

1843
03:25:58,500 --> 03:26:05,500
so much. Okay, and we have two more items and also close session on our agenda. How hungry

1844
03:26:05,500 --> 03:26:11,060
slash hungry are my colleagues? Would you like? Let's go. Okay, so we're going to go to close session

1845
03:26:11,060 --> 03:26:17,060
and we'll return to return to complete the meeting after close session.

1846
03:26:20,230 --> 03:26:20,230
Okay,

1847
03:26:23,950 --> 03:26:24,490
well done.

1848
05:14:05,620 --> 05:14:09,500
All right, we are returning from close session and I welcome a report out from county council.

1849
05:14:10,880 --> 05:14:18,600
Thank you chair. So the board met in close session this afternoon on the items 12 A through 12 C.

1850
05:14:18,960 --> 05:14:29,320
Item 12 A conference with real property negotiator involving the Calistoga Fairgrounds direction was given to the county negotiator.

1851
05:14:29,320 --> 05:14:44,380
No reportable action was taken on item 12B conference with legal counsel existing litigation in the case of Rogers Vaughan versus County of Napa.

1852
05:14:44,380 --> 05:14:48,620
By unanimous vote of the board, the board authorized,

1853
05:14:49,100 --> 05:14:55,440
the county council, the file and the appeal of the courts denial of summary judgment,

1854
05:14:56,820 --> 05:14:59,980
an item to 12C existing litigate.

1855
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:16,440
Senate County Supervisor Chris Korsy to serve on the county medical services program governing board with a term effective immediately, following the election, in which we'll expire on December 31, 2027. I welcome the staff report from Ms. Hoskins, our clerk of the board.

1856
05:15:17,480 --> 05:15:25,340
Thank you, Chair. Right now, there's currently a vacancy in the group three county supervisor position following the resignation of Solano County.

1857
05:15:25,340 --> 05:15:37,260
Excuse me, supervisor John Vasquez and the C.S.C.M.S.P. governing board has asked the group three counties to submit the attached, the ballot attached to this item to vote for a supervisor to fill that seat.

1858
05:15:37,940 --> 05:15:45,940
So just for information purposes, not the county is part of the group three county supervisor seat along with Solano, Marin and Sonoma counties.

1859
05:15:45,940 --> 05:15:53,440
The candidates for the designated seat are Solano County Supervisor Cassandra James and Sonoma County Supervisor Chris Corsine.

1860
05:15:53,440 --> 05:16:00,060
The term for the seat will take effect of immediately following the election and expires December 31, 2027.

1861
05:16:00,960 --> 05:16:05,180
So I asked the board, please vote on one of those members of this.

1862
05:16:05,280 --> 05:16:06,140
Okay, thank you.

1863
05:16:06,420 --> 05:16:08,580
I welcome any public comment on this item.

1864
05:16:08,900 --> 05:16:11,700
I'm not seeing anyone in the room, but is there anyone on the phone?

1865
05:16:12,680 --> 05:16:17,900
Okay, then I will ask the board if there are any comments or questions about this item.

1866
05:16:20,240 --> 05:16:23,480
I do see Supervisor Gallagher here, but I don't know if it's from.

1867
05:16:24,020 --> 05:16:26,200
No, it's for now. Okay, then go ahead.

1868
05:16:26,400 --> 05:16:26,680
Are you ready?

1869
05:16:27,080 --> 05:16:27,980
All right, thank you.

1870
05:16:28,760 --> 05:16:34,200
I think it makes sense to go ahead and appoint supervisor Cassandra James.

1871
05:16:34,360 --> 05:16:40,660
I believe the retiring seat is from Solano County, so staying with Solano County.

1872
05:16:41,660 --> 05:16:48,420
make sense, and I know she's well-qualified for the position based on her experience prior

1873
05:16:48,420 --> 05:16:54,120
to her role as the supervisor. So I would go ahead and make the motion to appoint a supervisor

1874
05:16:54,120 --> 05:16:54,900
of Cassandra James.

1875
05:16:54,900 --> 05:16:55,840
Now, second that.

1876
05:16:55,920 --> 05:16:57,140
Thank you for those same reasons.

1877
05:16:57,880 --> 05:16:58,180
Okay.

1878
05:16:58,220 --> 05:17:07,860
I have a first and a second on the floor, and I would also extend our, our, our, our

1879
05:17:09,660 --> 05:17:15,040
So I have a first and a second on floor, all those in favor.

1880
05:17:15,480 --> 05:17:15,620
Hi.

1881
05:17:16,180 --> 05:17:17,220
That passes unanimously.

1882
05:17:17,440 --> 05:17:18,300
Thank you.

1883
05:17:19,400 --> 05:17:26,860
And our next item is 11, 11 A, adopting a resolution establishing recorder notification program

1884
05:17:26,860 --> 05:17:33,990
pursuant to the California government code section 27297.7, requiring an assessor

1885
05:17:33,990 --> 05:17:39,490
personal number on certain documents and establish a notification be of $11 for a recording

1886
05:17:39,490 --> 05:17:45,430
each week but claim deed or deed of trust slash mortgage. And I will open the public hearing

1887
05:17:45,430 --> 05:17:53,690
on this item. I invite John Teter, our county recorder or kind of clerk on his behalf. I'm not seeing

1888
05:17:53,690 --> 05:17:59,210
it. Mr. Teter is in presence. So deputy county council. Fitzgerald will take a look. Yes, I would appreciate

1889
05:17:59,210 --> 05:18:01,010
that very much. Go ahead when you're ready.

1890
05:18:03,210 --> 05:18:04,250
John's on his way. Okay.

1891
05:18:04,250 --> 05:18:08,350
I know this has gone longer. I think then he was here all morning.

1892
05:18:08,770 --> 05:18:13,590
So I'm Ryan Fitzgerald WD County Council representing the recorder clerk.

1893
05:18:15,550 --> 05:18:20,410
And the John can tell you a little bit more about it when he gets here.

1894
05:18:20,590 --> 05:18:33,090
But the purpose of the government code 2727.77 is to make sure that all property owners receive notice.

1895
05:18:33,090 --> 05:18:40,330
If there's a indeed quick claim deed mortgage or deed of trust recorded against their property.

1896
05:18:41,390 --> 05:18:56,570
So beginning on January 1st of 2027, the recorder is required to notify the required to send notice to the

1897
05:18:56,570 --> 05:18:58,730
or John can tell you a little bit more to be.

1898
05:19:01,520 --> 05:19:03,380
Thank you for joining us, Mr. Shudder.

1899
05:19:03,580 --> 05:19:03,880
Thank you.

1900
05:19:06,160 --> 05:19:13,480
It was my own fault. I should have read the agendas because so having read it for eight years. I skipped this one.

1901
05:19:14,200 --> 05:19:22,880
So let me give you a little bit of background. Have any of you had phone calls from constituents about protecting their property from fraud.

1902
05:19:22,880 --> 05:19:25,040
I get them all the time.

1903
05:19:25,380 --> 05:19:29,760
I just want to say that it's really not an issue.

1904
05:19:30,320 --> 05:19:32,780
I mean, it is for somebody who's properties taken,

1905
05:19:32,920 --> 05:19:34,980
but in my 29 years as a recorder,

1906
05:20:00,000 --> 05:20:07,080
We've had two cases of real estate fraud, near person lost their property, one of them went to jail.

1907
05:20:08,100 --> 05:20:15,600
And we have a great cooperation with our district attorney. And so it's out there in the public. There's been lots of

1908
05:20:15,600 --> 05:20:27,160
infomercials about title lock and life lock. Give us 1998 a month and we'll take care of it. That's why you have me and they have me. That's our job and along with the

1909
05:20:27,160 --> 05:20:34,780
to resist them in the Secretary of State. But given that, the legislature still feels it's important

1910
05:20:34,780 --> 05:20:42,760
that every property owner who has a deed recorded against their property, get a notice that

1911
05:20:42,760 --> 05:20:49,100
a deed was recorded against their property. So there are two categories, deeds and deeds of trust

1912
05:20:49,100 --> 05:20:56,160
mortgages, they're also known as. So effective January 1, 2027, all counties must,

1913
05:20:56,160 --> 05:21:04,080
It's a shell, a doctor resolution, which is before you today, and adopt a fee if required.

1914
05:21:05,120 --> 05:21:08,280
Not all counties are charging a fee, some are some aren't.

1915
05:21:08,340 --> 05:21:13,240
Our fee analysis has been sent through the CEO's office and approved.

1916
05:21:13,920 --> 05:21:16,020
And I'll go briefly through what that is.

1917
05:21:16,660 --> 05:21:21,740
And then once that takes place, we have set up between our two vendors,

1918
05:21:22,300 --> 05:21:25,580
megabyte, which is our property tax system, and the

1919
05:21:25,580 --> 05:21:29,520
recourse, you don't send the notice to the person who gets the

1920
05:21:29,520 --> 05:21:33,420
deed back, because that's the grantee. We're sending it to the

1921
05:21:33,420 --> 05:21:36,780
grand tour, and the recorder doesn't know who the current

1922
05:21:36,780 --> 05:21:39,860
grand tour is. I mean, we see their name, but we don't have their

1923
05:21:39,860 --> 05:21:43,920
name and address. So Lizilesio grants to John Tudor. I'm not

1924
05:21:43,920 --> 05:21:47,660
sending it to John Tudor. I'm sending it to Lizilesio, but Liz

1925
05:21:47,660 --> 05:21:54,180
name and addresses in the assessor system, not in the recorder system. So there's a connection

1926
05:21:54,180 --> 05:22:03,140
between the two. We're spending $5,000 with our vendor one time forever to set up the system

1927
05:22:03,140 --> 05:22:11,080
on the megabyte on the property tax side to take a list from the recorder a file which gives them

1928
05:22:11,080 --> 05:22:17,540
the document number, the name of the grantor, et cetera, megabyte overnight will generate

1929
05:22:17,540 --> 05:22:24,280
letters address to those people that will be sent back to the recorder for

1930
05:22:24,280 --> 05:22:29,980
printing and mailing the next day. We have 30 days to do that. The problem is

1931
05:22:30,360 --> 05:22:35,280
some counties are way behind on changing ownership when they get deeds. Other

1932
05:22:35,280 --> 05:22:39,980
counties are caught up. We're pretty caught up. So I want to get it done

1933
05:22:39,980 --> 05:22:45,800
immediately. So the person Liz gets the message about the deed she did. I do want

1934
05:22:45,800 --> 05:22:52,600
point out that 99% of these documents are going to be ones they did. I sold my house. No,

1935
05:22:52,660 --> 05:22:57,580
I just got to notice I sold my house or I just refinanced. I'm going to get a notice that

1936
05:22:57,580 --> 05:23:04,380
I just refinanced. But that's the system because there's one in a million maybe more in the

1937
05:23:04,380 --> 05:23:10,880
large counties where they didn't know that somebody was trying to detaway their property or they

1938
05:23:10,880 --> 05:23:15,140
didn't know that somebody had taken out a mortgage against their property without their in

1939
05:23:15,140 --> 05:23:23,060
college. So that's what it's for. And we're ready to get going January 1, 20 27. The reason

1940
05:23:23,060 --> 05:23:29,660
I'm here before you today in August is the code section that the legislature passes. There's

1941
05:23:29,660 --> 05:23:36,980
120 day notice before you can collect the fee. So that 120 days starts September 1. So that's

1942
05:23:36,980 --> 05:23:41,900
why I'm here with you today. And all of the publications have been done. Let me just explain

1943
05:23:41,900 --> 05:23:49,220
about the fee, they're really three components to the fee. The first is this $5,000, which

1944
05:23:49,220 --> 05:23:55,560
we're amortizing over five or ten years. I forget how many. The second is the printing and

1945
05:23:55,560 --> 05:24:02,380
mailing of the actual notices. And I should mention along with the notice, there will be the first

1946
05:24:02,380 --> 05:24:09,980
two pages of the document. The reason it's two pages is there's some time cover pages, so the

1947
05:24:09,980 --> 05:24:16,280
person who gets this courtesy notice will get the first two pages of the document that we're

1948
05:24:16,280 --> 05:24:20,080
telling them about so they know what they're getting and not just the deed was recorded

1949
05:24:20,080 --> 05:24:24,160
and then come down and look at it we're actually going to send it to them.

1950
05:24:24,400 --> 05:24:31,680
So that's the second component and then the third component is all the traffic this is going to

1951
05:24:31,680 --> 05:24:34,880
generate for our office on the recorder side.

1952
05:24:34,880 --> 05:24:39,980
when people get these notices, I've made it as glad I think I've sent it to you all

1953
05:24:39,980 --> 05:24:44,140
and if I haven't, I will after this meeting, I've made it as clear as possible.

1954
05:24:44,500 --> 05:24:49,440
You probably should disregard this notice, but just in case we're sending it to you.

1955
05:24:49,640 --> 05:24:58,460
It's an English and Spanish, it's one page and it directs them to call me because I don't want

1956
05:24:58,460 --> 05:24:59,980
our staff being

1957
05:25:00,000 --> 05:25:22,280
If calls these first few months when this goes out or maybe a few years I don't know how this is going to work. So I put myself in as the contact that way I can track how many I get and what kind of answers I get. And then I'll be aware if there is a fraud immediately so that I can then operate with a district attorney and get going if something is fraudulent.

1958
05:25:22,280 --> 05:25:29,520
So, those are the three components of the fee and the fee is only charged against those documents.

1959
05:25:30,740 --> 05:25:36,040
So, somebody doesn't pay a fee for an easement.

1960
05:25:36,500 --> 05:25:42,120
They don't pay a fee for something unrelated to a deed or a deed of trust.

1961
05:25:42,520 --> 05:25:47,420
We expect that there's seven or eight thousand of these documents a year in our county.

1962
05:25:47,420 --> 05:25:52,880
And that's what we base the fee on and amortize it over those seven or eight thousand.

1963
05:25:53,500 --> 05:25:59,080
That's not going to change our number of documents or down at the moment because of the economy.

1964
05:25:59,800 --> 05:26:04,720
But even at our height seven or eight thousand should be probably the number we picked.

1965
05:26:05,060 --> 05:26:07,740
And average it looks back over several years.

1966
05:26:08,520 --> 05:26:14,780
So about 33 documents a day, or letters a day will be sending out to people.

1967
05:26:14,780 --> 05:26:18,600
So, that's the background. I'd be happy to answer any questions or for already.

1968
05:26:19,720 --> 05:26:28,740
Okay. Thank you, Mr. Secretary, for that throughout background information. I don't think I took public comment on this yet.

1969
05:26:28,800 --> 05:26:32,200
So, I'm going to go ahead and take public comment before we bring it back to the board for questions.

1970
05:26:32,720 --> 05:26:36,180
I don't see anyone in the room on public comment. Is there anyone on the phones?

1971
05:26:37,160 --> 05:26:42,040
No, okay. Then I will bring it back to the board for any questions or comments.

1972
05:26:42,040 --> 05:26:46,040
I see supervisor, vice chair LSEF.

1973
05:26:46,780 --> 05:26:49,760
Thank you for the information in the background history.

1974
05:26:51,980 --> 05:26:57,340
So, what we have in terms of what we're approving as an 11 dollar fee,

1975
05:26:57,440 --> 05:26:59,820
but you also mentioned a $5,000 fee.

1976
05:27:00,020 --> 05:27:02,160
No, that was a one-time expense.

1977
05:27:02,160 --> 05:27:03,360
Oh, that was a one-time expense.

1978
05:27:03,640 --> 05:27:07,180
That's one-time, not every year,

1979
05:27:07,180 --> 05:27:12,300
or the megabyte vendor who support our business terms.

1980
05:27:12,460 --> 05:27:13,300
And much more in terms.

1981
05:27:13,520 --> 05:27:13,740
I see.

1982
05:27:14,080 --> 05:27:15,320
Just to set up this program.

1983
05:27:15,360 --> 05:27:15,840
I understand.

1984
05:27:16,420 --> 05:27:17,000
Okay. Great.

1985
05:27:17,260 --> 05:27:17,840
Yeah. That's fine.

1986
05:27:18,100 --> 05:27:19,200
I'm happy to.

1987
05:27:19,260 --> 05:27:19,600
Okay.

1988
05:27:20,200 --> 05:27:20,380
Forward.

1989
05:27:20,940 --> 05:27:21,180
Okay.

1990
05:27:21,480 --> 05:27:22,180
Was that a motion?

1991
05:27:23,120 --> 05:27:23,780
That is a motion.

1992
05:27:24,460 --> 05:27:24,560
Okay.

1993
05:27:24,560 --> 05:27:25,700
I'll second that.

1994
05:27:25,940 --> 05:27:26,220
Okay.

1995
05:27:26,220 --> 05:27:26,860
I have a motion.

1996
05:27:27,240 --> 05:27:27,900
And the second.

1997
05:27:29,400 --> 05:27:30,380
All of those in favor.

1998
05:27:31,140 --> 05:27:31,220
Hi.

1999
05:27:32,260 --> 05:27:32,680
Thank you.

2000
05:27:32,820 --> 05:27:33,060
That passes.

2001
05:27:33,320 --> 05:27:33,820
Thank you.

2002
05:27:34,080 --> 05:27:36,180
Thank you.

2003
05:27:36,180 --> 05:27:49,540
Okay, and I believe that brings us to item 13 on our agenda and I would just like to note that I think at this point all of us have gotten the

2004
05:27:49,540 --> 05:27:55,920
unfortunate news that Allie Parton passed away recently and so I would like to adjourn this meeting in

2005
05:27:55,920 --> 05:28:01,320
Allie Parton's honor and I would like to note that she was one of country music's most singular talents

2006
05:28:01,320 --> 05:28:08,660
Her imagination library served children and continues to serve children here in Napa County and across the entire United States.

2007
05:28:08,680 --> 05:28:13,960
It's amazing resource, what an incredible thing for one individual to have worked to establish.

2008
05:28:14,060 --> 05:28:21,940
I'm sure the health and support of many of her associates and I will also know that her kindness touched all generations.

2009
05:28:22,120 --> 05:28:29,900
She was an ambassador for good. She brought joy and kindness and asked all of us to reflect on how we might contribute to a world of sport equity.

2010
05:28:29,900 --> 05:28:40,180
for people who were less fortunate, resource-wise for women, for children, for people of color and for the LGBTQIA community.

2011
05:28:40,580 --> 05:28:44,660
She was just incredible in that respect and her family statement.