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Good evening, welcome to the first workshop for the proposed 2027 budget.

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Councilman Sayed will be participating by phone tonight.

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Councilman Sayed, can you hear us?

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Yes, I can hear you.

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Okay. Tonight our professional staff will focus on the preliminary capital improvement program.

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As a reminder, no final actions are being taken at this meeting since it is a workshop.

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Also, all the rules of the city council will still apply.

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speakers are asked to present their comments and a respectful and curious manner.

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Speakers should be on topic and be cognizant of their words.

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Speakers are given three minutes to address a city council and to help speakers stay within

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the three-minute timeframe.

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Speakers should be aware of the timer on the side, diastue, your right.

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The timer will buzz when it's zero and we will alert the speaker that their time is up.

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Mr. Krieger, I want to call the first four.

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All right, the first four speakers would be Theresa Huss, Joe Huss, Patrick Kennedy, and John Doyle.

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If you've heard your name called, just please proceed to the front row.

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Thank you.

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Hi, Theresa Huss, longtime resident and a member of Nest.

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I know tonight's meeting is focused on the capital budget, but I'd like to look ahead to the next meeting,

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the operating budget, and urge you to consider funding a climate action plan.

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The Climate Action Plan would be a one-time cost of about 0.015% of our annual budget, and it would give us a clear framework for measuring tracking and reducing our greenhouse gas emissions while preparing for the impacts of climate change.

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At their core, these plans focus on implementing the most cost-effective actions to reduce emissions and strengthen our long-term resilience.

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And we've been talking about climate action plans for years.

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It began back in 2019 when the City Council directed NEST to prepare an April 2036.

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It continued through last year when we completed our greenhouse gas inventory in 2025, both

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of those being important precursors to having an official plan.

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And many of you on the diet have expressed support for developing one and say you understand

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their importance.

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So our question is, if not now, when.

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Naperville has already shown it can lead, our annual sustainability work plans of help move

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individual initiatives forward.

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Staff have worked really hard to keep sustainability on the agenda.

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But work plans alone can't provide the long-term structure that we need.

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A climate action plan would allow us to measure progress year after year and identify the most cost-effective actions,

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ensuring our investments align with the clear and forward-looking vision.

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Funding a climate action plan is also fiscally responsible.

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Communities with climate plans are better positioned to compete for federal and state grants

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tied to clean energy sustainability and infrastructure.

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A plan would help prioritize our actions and save us money over time through energy efficiency,

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reduced operational costs, and avoided future risks.

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And most importantly, a climate action plan would reflect the values of

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The recent survey show that sustainability is a high priority for residents, many of us already work on sustainability in our neighborhoods, our schools, our faith communities, and in organizations like Nest, but a citywide plan would bring these efforts together and demonstrate that Naperville is committed to thoughtful and long-term stewardship.

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So, I respectfully urge the Council to fund the development of a climate action plan.

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It's a practical, community-driven investment in Naples Future.

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And now is the right time to move forward.

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Thank you for your time.

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Thank you.

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Thanks, Speaker.

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The Speaker shall us.

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Thank you. My name is Jeoha. I'm a 27-year resident and an S. Fontier and I have two questions. Why didn't we put any money in the capital budget for a battery?

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And second, why would we assume I am a should operate the battery if we purchase one?

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My recommendation is simple. Put some capital in the budget for a battery and use a competitive process to choose the best battery operator.

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First, why doesn't the capital budget include any funding for a battery, both the cities and

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NASA analysis indicated that a battery would quickly pay for itself and reduce our electricity

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bills.

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The value is not only financial, as you can see on the slide, the city's consultant found

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that the battery can address several existing reliability violations.

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Delaying action not only increases the risk of a serious outage, but also risk losing millions

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of dollars in federal investment tax credits that we'd get with a battery purchase.

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The prudent step is to reserve capital in the budget now, only to be spent if there's

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a compelling business case.

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And second, why would we assume IMEA would run the battery?

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In an email from the city to the battery author, I've said, quote, IMEA expects to control

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the battery.

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At the last electricity presentation, Council emphasized the importance of local control.

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IMA is a government entity based in Springfield, and it's not clear why, if any,

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utilities, if they have any utility scale, battery operating experience.

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They likely don't have the systems or the processes operate, one effectively.

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Naperville should instead follow our procurement process, experience firms operating hundreds of batteries nationwide,

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and can compete for our business.

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A battery would allow us to earn money

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through ancillary services such as frequency regulation

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and capacity sales.

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Although our current contract restricts us

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to only purchase electricity from INA,

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it's silent on battery operations

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because batteries weren't an option

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when the contract was written.

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Competitive bidding is the best way to contain costs.

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In closing, Council voted unanimously

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to direct the city to gather information for a battery business case to save Naperville residents

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and businesses money. But a business case is only it only creates value if the city is prepared

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to act and I ask the council to preserve some capital in the budget for a battery and require

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a competitive process before selecting an operator. That approach protects Naperville's options

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and gives residents the best chance for lower costs and better reliability. Thank you.

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Thank you, next speaker.

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Good evening.

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My name is Pat Kennedy.

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Resident and former chairman of the Riverwalk Commission.

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I want to give some context to the CIP request on behalf of the Riverwalk Commission for the South Extension Project specifically.

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The Riverwalk, it's shown on the screen here, but this section of the Riverwalk was originally expanded.

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the limits in 2015 for the boundaries of the river walk.

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This was planned for quite some time.

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Thank you.

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The master plan was endorsed in 2021, including this project

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and held public review at that point.

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It prepared design and permitting documents in 2023.

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At that point, I had met with Endeavor Edward Hospital

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and outlined the project for them.

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And the idea was that it would open and concurrent

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with their cardiovascular building which now open the last fall with permitting and

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permitting and design in 24 construction in 25 and a concurrent opening.

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And at that time, we had procured grant from Janet Eang-Ror and her group and her office.

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I appreciate that and asked the hospital to come up with another donation that would get us

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50% of the total budget at the time, which was $3 million, and they did so enthusiastically.

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They put that money in our account in 2024, where it still sits today.

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The project got deferred for one year, I don't exactly recall why.

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Last year, the project got deferred because the bridge was delayed, and the 430 South

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Washington project, therefore, got pushed back a year, and the council determined that

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That was too many projects in one year for the River Walk in the Capital and Prick.

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So, it's currently in the CIP to go to bid this fall, this outfit extension is.

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The commission proactively reworked our five year look ahead to decrease various projects by over $3.5 million and push them into the future to accommodate this as our priority.

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I personally believe that there's a return on investment for anything we do with our river walk,

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our businesses, our households, and home values, and our reputation is all driven by this

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jewel we have as a river walk in this city.

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In addition, we have this commitment to one of our

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great institutions in town and in debt for Edward Hospital. I think the time is now the investment

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as the right investment, and we ask you to include this project in the CIP.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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speaker is John Doyle, followed by Katie Wood and Chris Hartner.

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John Doyle and Aprilville, President.

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Thank you.

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Paul G's for not sending these in advance, but I do have some questions on the debt strategy

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for our electric utility.

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First off, tonight's plan shows up to $10 million in new debt for $207.

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Is there any borrowing and already anticipated beyond 2027 and if so, how much?

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You know, next year's rate study is going to determine revenue requirement for 28 through 2030.

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How are you going to make the decision on what gets paid for through borrowing and what gets paid for through rates?

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The summary says the utilities that coverage ratio is a well below integer standards, which is great.

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So just curious, what range are we comfortable operating on now that we're taking on debt?

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And I say now that we're taking on debt, it seems that 2025's barring was the first new

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debt since 2011, and we are on track for three consecutive years of barring, so why

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the sudden change in funding philosophy?

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And lastly, but not least, any benefits that we are getting from barring potentially such as increased

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rates of stability.

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We need those benefits depend on who our wholesale power provider is or can we do that

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regardless of who we buy our power from.

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I'll also have some questions about the 2027 project list specifically.

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This plan includes almost $30 million in investments for the utility, but only about

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two thirds of that are accounted for in the presentation, so I'm asking where the other

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$10 million is.

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My assumption is that it's just all for recurring programs that happen every year and if that's

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the case, my question would be, is $10 million the expected annual run rate for those programs

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going forward.

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Separately regarding the debt I mentioned, which projects will have the $10,000,000,000

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tied to the U.T. tax purposes.

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And lastly, I want to talk about the total way of substation projects.

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It's become quite hard to keep track of when we're spending and where we're spending on

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what given the scope creep over the years and, you know, this is going on in 2021.

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It would be really appreciated if the utility and staff could give us a little more detail

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on what's going on with that project, you know, something similar to what the water utility

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did with the Spring Book project. I know this is an order of magnitude cheaper than the water project,

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but it would still be nice to know, for example, how much of that $6 million is for delivery

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of something that we ordered two years ago? I know that's going to be a big chunk of it.

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So yeah, those are my questions, and I'll get those emailed out after I'm sorry for not

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sending them in advance, but if you can get them tonight, that would be appreciated. Thank you.

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Thank you, next speaker.

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The speaker is Katie Wood followed by Chris Sartner and Monica

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Good evening, Mayor Whirlie and members of the City Council on Katie Wood with the Downtown

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Naperville Alliance here tonight with Don Portner with the DNA Monica Conners from the

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NDP Chris Hartner from Naperville Running Company. We're representing the boards of the DNA

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and DAC, the Downtown Advisory Committee. First, thank you for keeping the design of the Nichols

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Library Parking Deck in the 2027 budget that has been our goal from the very beginning design

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in 2027 with the hope of building in 2028.

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We've done the work.

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Starting this year, we've met with the Library Board of Trustees.

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We've met with the Chamber of Commerce.

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The Naperville Development Partnership, the River Walk Commission,

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DAC, DNA in each one of you.

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We've received support from all.

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And we continue to hear the same thing.

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Downtown needs more parking.

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Our businesses tell us parking limits.

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Their ability to do more business.

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Developers tell us perspective tenets.

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ask about parking when considering downtown Aprilville consumers tell us this repeatedly and now we have full

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Verify significant developments on the horizon that could bring approximately 160,000 additional square feet of commercial space downtown.

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We need to plan for that growth, not react to it.

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That's why we're concerned about moving construction of the Nichols Library deck from 2027, 2028, out 5, 6 years to 2031, 32.

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We've already delayed this project, plans were developed in 2008, revisited again several years later, waiting till 2032 means we've been talking about this location for over 25 years.

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In 2031, as Naperville's Phi Centennial, we should enter that celebration with this infrastructure in place, not begin major construction right in the middle of it.

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If capital priorities have to be made, we believe nickels should even come before additional

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streetscape work.

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Streetstap is very important that adding parking capacity is more important right now to

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downtown's economic health and future.

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We were also surprised to see the municipal center deck emerge as a priority with significant

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downtown parking fund dollars potentially used for that renovation.

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We understand that debt needs maintenance, but it primarily serves the government campus with really limited use by downtown shoppers and diners.

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With limited downtown parking funds available, we believe they should first be invested, where they can add parking capacity directly to support our downtown businesses.

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So tonight, we have three asks of you, keep the nickels design moving forward, please, in

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2027, that move the construction significantly sooner than 2031, 302 by considering

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the priorities, readjusting priorities of future streetscapes.

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We want to get that moving.

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And thirdly, please reconsider the use of the downtown parking fund dollars for the municipal

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That fund was created to support public parking in the CBD and those dollars really should be invested.

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Sorry, I'm at it time.

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Thank you.

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We have a head start.

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Let's get this going.

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I appreciate your time.

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Thanks, Speaker.

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Next speaker is Chris Artner followed by Monica counters and Neil Malone.

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I'm Chris Artner, owner of Naperville Running Company, downtown business owner, downtown property owner,

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and I live right off of downtown and it might be pretty quick because Katie covered I think

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all the important stuff. I just want to reiterate that in the development of the food and

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beverage 1% I think I don't recall the exact wording that's in that document but nobody

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of all the people we worked with on it. I don't think anybody ever thought that it would be considered

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to be used for anything but something built and used for people coming downtown, shopping, eating,

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working, whatever it might be. There is never any consideration that it might be used as for

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the municipal deck and that's pretty much all I wanted to say on that. Thank you, next speaker.

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Next speaker, Monica Conner's, followed by Neil Malone.

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Good evening, city council and Mayor

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here tonight to say a few words about the Nichols parking garage and downtown neighborhood.

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Downtown neighborhood brings our city what we need economically.

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Tremendous property tax revenue which helps the schools in the city.

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Tremendous sales tax revenue in the form of sales tax and food and beverage sales tax.

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Thousands and thousands of jobs and a quality of life for our community.

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According to Placer AI's 60% of the 9 million visits from downtown, come from people outside of Naperville.

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That lowers the tax burden on all of our residents.

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The nickels parking structure has always been part of the 2030 plan as you've heard.

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Unfortunately, it was delayed in 2008.

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If we continue to delay this project, it will only cost the community more in impacts to lost sales tax revenue

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and higher construction cost. According to research, construction costs have increased

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68 to 80 percent since 2008 and about 5 to 13 percent annually.

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Gushman Wakefield just last week issued a report that showed construction commodities of 13

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percent year over year that affects construction materials. This is why the NDP board wants to build

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the Nichols parking structure had its highest capacity,

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because it maximizes our investment for the future.

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About eight weeks ago, I attended a virtual retail seminar,

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hosted by ICSC in a national council shopping center,

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that was led by a national retail sales consultant.

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They post three questions, retailers want to understand

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in order to choose a location.

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And they serve enough customers. Two, can they generate profitable sales, profitable? Three, can they operate successfully

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over the long term, not the short term? All of this depends on parking supply, which is likely

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why the consultant listed parking and infrastructure is one of the top three items we have

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to demonstrate in order to be successful. One of the things that is impressed me about the most

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decades. Today is not the day to stop thinking about the future, parking impacts

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our ability to land new tenants and retain the tenants that we currently have. It

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directly affects our sales tax revenue, our food and beverage revenue, which

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impacts seek a fund, police, fire, so many things. With so much development in

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our line of sight and DP fields we need to invest now to be successful in the

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future. Thank you. Thank you, next speaker.

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The final speaker is Neil Malone.

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Good evening, Mayor.

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Members of the council.

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Thank you for allowing me opportunity to provide some comments.

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My name is Neil Malone.

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I serve as Director of Government Affairs for the Naperville Area Chamber of Commerce.

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We have submitted comments.

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Written comments as well from myself and from ours.

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You know, Killing Resolve.

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It was a little period of night.

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But I feel like I'm hitting clean up on a really good baseball team tonight because

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The three speakers in front of me really did a great job of laying out the case for why this is needed and why this is needed now

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We had really five areas in which

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Really kind of speak to the need for the structure

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One is it addresses a long-term and long-standing infrastructure need as you've heard

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This has been in the planning stage for quite some time

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two, it really, location is really important, and as to where this would be located, it kind

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of provides that system of each of the cardinal directions having adequate parking resources.

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Three, it provides support for downtown businesses who are, as mentioned, a large part of the

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reviewed in the larger economic development context that this is an important investment in infrastructure

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that will continue to encourage tax dollar growth and revenue growth from the businesses

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that we represent. And then finally, it is kind of the opportunity to continue on that larger

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plan. As we've seen in the discussions, there will be additional parking areas that will need

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maintenance and refurbishment, as well as the streetscape work that's going to be

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needed done that it's going to actually take parking spots out of rotation while those

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projects are being completed. I think it's important that we provide this additional capacity

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prior to some of these other activities that we're limiting parking downtown. And they're

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respectfully just on the accelerating of the timeline. It's really just two points that I wanted

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make, as I mentioned, as construction projects occurred downtown, it takes a parking out of

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play.

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And so, and with additional refurbishment going to be other decks, it's going to be important

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to have that capacity, so there's not an awkward phase of not having the mobile parking.

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And then two, just the cross factor.

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I mean, when this was initially proposed, it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 18.0 point

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9 million. Now we're looking at 30 to 36 million with CIP, putting it at 37.7. The longer we delay

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this project, the more it's going to ultimately cost our taxpayers. So I would encourage that we move

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forward with the nickel structure as expeditiously as possible. And here are to answer any questions

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if you need me.

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Thank you. Any council members have an item for the public

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form portion of the Councilmanals are. Thank you, Mayor. I had questions for first Mr. Doyle,

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and then I was going to ask some questions to the last three speakers as well. Probably

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easy answers from staff, so I'll turn to Mr. Krieger and I know Mr. Doyle said that the city

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last took on debt to support the electric utility in 2011 and he was just wondering what the

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change in philosophy was that we're starting to do that again. Would you, do you mind answering

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on his career.

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Yeah, certainly no problem.

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You know, we look at that with each individual rate study.

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We have had debt issuances included subsequent to 2011 or planned debt issuance included

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in rate study.

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The meeting in 2011, when we came around and looked our caste physicians saying, hey, you know what? We

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can continue operating without issuing the debt, so that is kind of at least for us as better.

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Our financing of last resort. What we're mostly doing is simply balancing rates with debt load and Titanic keyed to cash above zero.

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Okay, I say—if I may blow them there—no need for you to have an answer tonight, unless you have one ready.

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But one thing I would like to know maybe to future presentation would be what kind of impact it will have on rates to be taking on the first step that we've taken on in 15 years is kind of causing increase in rates.

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Just to be clear, this is not the general fund is not going to pay down that debt later. That's the electric fund will pay a correct 100 percent.

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Okay, the last thing I wanted to ask is a follow up to Mr. Doyle's point was he had stated that about two thirds of the electric cost was accounted for in the presentation. I think there was like a ten or eleven million dollar delta and he's speculated that maybe it was the run rate. I guess that would cover that. Do you need time to look into that or yeah, you know, I'd like some time to look you know, I think it is kind of a just our normal replacement programs.

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you know cable overhead poles such but it will be very simple for us simply to provide

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the reconciliation from the 30 million to like the 40 million dollars total and get

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that out to council.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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And then Mayor, if I may ask, Ms. Wood, but some questions and then anyone else in the group

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who spoke about the parking deck you feel free to say anything that's responsive to when

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I'm going to ask about.

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So, as I understood at the asks for keeping a close design moving forward, readjust priorities

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of the streetscape of necessary and reconsider our use of the downtown parking dollars

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to the municipalities.

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Correct.

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Correct.

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Okay.

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And I will say generally, I'm fairly sympathetic to those three asks.

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I mean, a big thing that I've, you know, I've voted on numerous CIPs in the last few

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years where this was kind of anticipated and it seems like there's a lot of last minute

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change, as municipal tech has been prioritized, I will say though that from my perspective

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there was a significant new ask in the letter that I saw and maybe in some of the discussions

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we had at DNA, which is that we're now looking to have a high capacity garage possible.

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Can you provide any more commentary on what the thinking is there?

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In our discussions with different groups, the thought was if we're going to do this, let's

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get the maximum parking out of it.

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And when we first design the parking deck back in 2008,

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I believe that there were some accommodations made

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in certain areas to beautify the parking deck

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as much as possible.

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And taking another look now 20 years later,

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do we need a lot of those enhancements?

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If there is a park, let's say,

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can that be better utilized as parking?

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Is an example?

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So I think that was the event of trying to get

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the maximum use out of that space we can, you know, some meetings,

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admittedly said, boy, can we go taller, using the van beer and parking deck

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as the model.

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The years ago, we built, I think that was supposed to be a three-level deck,

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and it was some of your former city council members that said, no,

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let's go higher, and we did that, that was a smart move.

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So I think it's just, let's get back to the design and let's see what we can do,

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but every 20 years later since that design was done, almost.

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and see what we could do to optimize parking.

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Does that help?

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That's extremely helpful.

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So I would just, for my one council member speaking

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for myself, like I said, I'm sympathetic to the three

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asks, they're in line with what was in the CIP before

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in prior years, a couple of things

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that are just kind of must-have for me,

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are bikeability, walkability, and downtown, right?

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Because if we get a customer in downtown on a bike path

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or feeling more safe to walk that is just as valuable

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having some apart downtown and what shoppers downtown,

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or people downtown, not just drivers downtown.

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So that's one thing that's like we absolutely have to be

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prioritizing that at the same time.

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The other one is just as a suggestion

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as somebody who talks to residents

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that's our job to be the voice of residents.

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My guess is if the push in the next year is to go a story higher

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And then what was on the previous elevations, my guess is that is going to result in community

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pushback that that just makes this project go years, years out into the future.

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That's one council member's take, I throw it out there, but as we further discuss this

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over the next couple of meetings, I just might be back.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Thank you.

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Councilman White.

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I appreciate that.

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That's a true.

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I know Chris might ahead of him.

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If you ask one question, it's okay. Sure. May Chris, did you have follow-up to what Mr. Chair said?

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I just wanted to add to Katie's comments and you asked about, I think most of the talk of adding a story or maximizing

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came out of feedback from others, not this wasn't from us saying, I, as a business owner, property owner, resident of downtown,

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I live right across from where North Central just built the parking, the villian, we weren't

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asking for that.

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We were just taking that as feedback people saying, have you maximized it?

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Are you looking at the best ways to minimize cost per spot?

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We as the DNA and aren't weren't coming saying at a fourth story maximizes this thing, let's

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go big.

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That was not our request.

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Thank you, and a few comments and thanks for the, for everyone in the public coming out to speak on this.

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You know, I kind of look at our downtown as that as the anchor to the city.

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It's almost like putting in a Walmart at a big shopping center and a Walmart becomes the anchor.

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And I say that because I get a, some pushback and I live in South Naperville.

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and I get people in South and Aprilville that we, well, why aren't we doing something in South

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and Aprilville? And trust me, there's all areas of the community, North and South, I think

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should all be considered. But I think, with the downtown, it tends to bring in people from

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outside, we have the data to show that. And the rest of the city tends to benefit from that,

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because they're not going to just visit the downtown, they're going to go other places as well.

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So I do appreciate that, but one question for, well, to that point, so I would support trying to get that parking deck in there because of all the reasons that we're explaining up here, I think it's a good thing as far as allowing those businesses to have customers that find parking that's convenient for them to go and shop.

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And in my opinion, I think there's this parking in the downtown, but it's just not conveniently located.

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And I think we end up missing out on opportunities for businesses.

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Now, understand Mr. Krieger's focus is now on the municipal deck, and that was news to me when I heard about it.

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Yes, it was. And I believe Mr. Randolph will have more on this, but it was a result of kind of a condition assessment.

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And you know, that is municipal deck is now, I guess, 35 years old and, you know, has

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were entering some structural maintenance that needs to be conducted.

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I know that we did not have it in the last year's CIP.

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I believe it was moved up because of the condition assessment.

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Is that fair, Mr. Randolph?

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Walker consulting in 2022 recommended a rehabilitation of the DAC that's essentially the water proofing membrane that's in between the two different slabs of concrete.

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I don't recall when it was first introduced to the CIP but Walker was back this summer or earlier this year and did another visual structural inspection of all of our DACs and confirmed that we should move forward at that.

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Okay, now I know we did a few improvements down there and a couple years ago, I know we painted the entire flooring on the deck and so on, so I'm hoping that all that didn't go to waste because now we're going to have to go and do all this construction to read.

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Yes, I was on the board level, we're talking about the what's currently in the CFP is for the upper level.

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Okay, so all that work we did before go to go to waste.

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Correct. Okay, good.

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Thanks and a couple of other questions.

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On the battery that Mr. Hus got up to discuss.

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Any update on that, Mr. Krieger?

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Sure.

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And I've been in there a little bit.

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I will tell you if we have since had discussions with IMEA, why do we have discussions with

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them?

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Because we are currently in a full requirements contract with them, therefore they need to

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play a role.

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You know, it doesn't mean that they have full control, but we have looked over the financials

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and in this case, if we were simply buying on the market without any assets, a battery makes

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tons of sense. If you are hedged with generation assets, both the energy and capacity side,

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it makes

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Lessons, as a member of IMEA, there are about 100% hedged, meaning that there's ownership in either generation or contracts that cover all of the need,

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the real benefit you get from battery really comes down to.

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frequency regulation is one, although the value of that has been diminishing, really, just kind

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of your biggest piece would be kind of like the arbitrage. So by when prices are low, or charge it

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up on price are low and discharge it when prices are high. With our current contract, whether we

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use a kilowatt at 6 a.m. or 7 p.m. which is our peak time. We pay the same price. So that kind of eliminates that.

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It helps but to a much lesser scale. Because it will help IMEA reduce their total peak load.

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So it will reduce their capacity needs but to a much lesser extent than if we were buying directly on the market.

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So the information we got from the sales folks and I made the statement that says,

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oh, you know what this thing's going to pay itself off in three years was a great sales pitch,

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but would not work for us until after 2035.

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There is still, I mean, is still looking at a pilot in Napervilla still as a consideration for their PGM pilot for a battery and, you know, our hope is that that's going to play out.

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I mean, I'm just looking at it just in the simplest of terms.

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We would charge, we're going to use IMEA, what we currently use to charge the battery.

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So we're already using that contracted energy.

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So once we store it in a battery, I'm just kind of dumbfounded why they even have a

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so and what we do it, the energy that comes out of the battery at that point, because we've

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already bought the energy from them to fill up the battery.

438
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:28,550
Right, right, it's really kind of the way the contract is worded.

439
00:37:29,110 --> 00:37:36,310
And if you do have one hundred percent or near one hundred percent hedging, the additional

440
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:42,130
capacity you get, you can't, you're less like you're less able to leverage that because

441
00:37:42,130 --> 00:37:47,270
will always have to be sold into the market instead of avoiding a cost that you normally would

442
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:53,570
have had for the capacity. Yeah, I mean, if we put a battery and charged it up, that would

443
00:37:53,570 --> 00:38:01,490
be full requirements coming into IMA and we would be purchasing that. When we discharged it,

444
00:38:02,910 --> 00:38:10,130
the way the contract is written, we would not be paying them for all of the energy that

445
00:38:12,750 --> 00:38:21,450
We required because we would be using the stuff we set aside for the battery and that, you know, that currently would be in conflict with the contract.

446
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:27,330
You know, my guess is that they would be reasonable and we continue to have discussions with them.

447
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:37,410
We're not at a point yet with the new scenario where we can kind of give you a payback, but we believe it is going to be north of 10 year.

448
00:38:37,410 --> 00:38:42,730
That doesn't mean we don't do it, but I want to make sure that I have all the facts before we bring it to you.

449
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:50,930
Just because it is not in the CIP at this point in time does not mean it would not be something that we would do in 2027.

450
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:55,550
But we would only bring it as a staff recommendation if we thought it made sense.

451
00:38:56,690 --> 00:39:01,590
And regardless, we will bring the results of that to Council, whether it makes sense or not.

452
00:39:01,590 --> 00:39:11,770
And all that takes into consideration, if we were to put it back into the market through PJM basically.

453
00:39:13,630 --> 00:39:21,770
There is a PJM that was given the, I don't know, a rack or bonuses to communities that have the batteries.

454
00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:32,810
Yes, PJM will provide credits for people who have the batteries just because it makes the whole system better and more resilient.

455
00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:42,930
However, financially those would, those would have to run through IMEA before they came to us.

456
00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:49,970
It doesn't mean the values really diminished. It just means that because it is a fall requirements contract, it means you run through that.

457
00:39:49,970 --> 00:39:52,250
Okay, and just one more question.

458
00:39:54,190 --> 00:39:58,910
The talk about what Mr. Doyle mentioned about the finances and the borrowing and so on.

459
00:39:59,450 --> 00:39:59,950
And maybe he...

460
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:08,740
It was being more specific toward the electric utility from a borrowing standpoint, but I do recall during a COVID when the rates were like really cheap.

461
00:40:09,260 --> 00:40:16,140
We were looking at taking advantage of borrowing at that time, just because the rates were so cheap.

462
00:40:16,420 --> 00:40:18,220
Any, can you kind of fill us in on that?

463
00:40:18,380 --> 00:40:23,360
Yeah, absolutely. We kind of take a holistic approach to it.

464
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:39,440
If money's cheap, which, you know, five, six years ago, it absolutely was, we've just kind of finished up, boy, at least a decade, almost two decades worth of very cheap rates.

465
00:40:39,780 --> 00:40:52,440
And as a AAA rate of community, we pay very little. We're not allowed to make any money on that, but our first choice, if we have the cash available, is to issue no debt.

466
00:40:52,440 --> 00:41:00,020
even as a low percentage. And we've been very fortunate over the years to not have to

467
00:41:00,020 --> 00:41:06,300
issue debt for utility because utilities typically very capital intensive. And therefore also

468
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:13,060
typically very debt heavy. And we have avoided that by historically charging slightly higher rates

469
00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:14,680
so that we could issue less debt.

470
00:41:16,770 --> 00:41:21,980
Okay. Thank you. Kind of a little bit Jane. Thank you, Mayor.

471
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:35,580
If I could pose a question to Mr. Kruger for the battery question again, if my understanding

472
00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:41,180
or memory is correct around this time and discussions with Director Grath, he had mentioned

473
00:41:41,180 --> 00:41:48,640
that batteries were more affordable right now and that this was the time to make those purchases.

474
00:41:50,200 --> 00:42:01,040
So, given that, I guess, how might we use this opportunity, or is there a way for us to work this in?

475
00:42:02,340 --> 00:42:07,260
You know, I think that there will be, and I think it's a great opportunity.

476
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:13,740
He's absolutely right, you know, battery-placed prices over the last five years have plummeted.

477
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:21,640
And, you know, as well as kind of efficiency gains in them have improved significantly as well,

478
00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:29,000
which means that during a charged, charged cycle, you lose less a smaller percentage

479
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,420
just through like normal losses, so it absolutely is becoming more efficient.

480
00:42:36,820 --> 00:42:41,520
And I wish I had it today, kind of like the financial analysis that shows what it would look like,

481
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:51,660
But right now, based on what I know, I believe it would require slightly higher electric

482
00:42:51,660 --> 00:42:55,100
rates on our part to cover the debt services associated with the battery.

483
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:01,120
But I feel it's my obligation to prove that to you and because it's your decision.

484
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:10,220
Another question I had was from Mr. Malone regarding the parking deck.

485
00:43:10,220 --> 00:43:17,100
You had mentioned that we may have started with an estimate of 18 million for that parking

486
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:22,420
deck and that we have moved towards 37 million, about or 36 million.

487
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:29,380
Is that increased due to materials and labor costs or are there other aspects that change?

488
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,600
I think there are other aspects to that.

489
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:36,680
I mean obviously time value of money, but construction costs are going up across industry

490
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,680
And as materials become more and more expensive,

491
00:43:41,180 --> 00:43:46,320
you know, part of that is dollars in 2026 are less valuable

492
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,980
than they were in 2007.

493
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:52,220
Yeah. I just wanted to clarify if that was the key

494
00:43:52,220 --> 00:43:56,760
different or was it the design differences to,

495
00:43:56,780 --> 00:44:00,760
to ensure based on the feedback of the residents in that area.

496
00:44:02,180 --> 00:44:05,520
Could that be also prior to my time with the chamber,

497
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,580
So I believe so.

498
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,600
I'm just a trigger.

499
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:12,920
Thank you.

500
00:44:13,140 --> 00:44:23,720
No, the design elements were all include like with the pocket park and the Plaza and the kind of gingerbread touches.

501
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,100
Those were included in the initial estimate.

502
00:44:26,580 --> 00:44:29,740
So it was all simply inflationary increases.

503
00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:31,520
Thank you.

504
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,640
I'll zoom in at room.

505
00:44:34,260 --> 00:44:34,620
Thank you, Mayor.

506
00:44:36,820 --> 00:44:47,200
First, just a, you know, my experience on the financial advisory board just to add a little bit of context and maybe relates to this dead discussion as it falls around the utility.

507
00:44:49,020 --> 00:44:59,940
You know, for many years, and Mr. Crier, you can maybe highlight this, but that Mayor Cherico is here, there was a big debt reduction move.

508
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:24,420
It was a big concern that the city had too much debt and went on a campaign and used a lot of cash to really kind of clean things up and to the point where maybe there was an argument where some infrastructure was neglected, that we could use cash on and maybe we went a little too far and got a little too conservative on our willingness to use that.

509
00:45:24,420 --> 00:45:28,740
I think everybody understands if there's capital that we're spending right now, that's going

510
00:45:28,740 --> 00:45:32,860
to benefit a future generation that makes sense.

511
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:38,620
So in that previous rate study, I believe the financial advisory board actually encouraged

512
00:45:39,180 --> 00:45:45,660
director Monch at the time to issue debt and levelize those rates a little bit.

513
00:45:47,060 --> 00:45:53,320
So I'm in my personal life, I'm not a fan of debt, but it should and it could be used properly

514
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,460
and maybe we weren't utilizing it to the extent that we should have at times.

515
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,160
So I want to go back to the parking deck.

516
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:06,260
I think a lot of us are maybe a little bit surprised to recently hear about the

517
00:46:06,260 --> 00:46:07,340
parking municipal parking deck.

518
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:12,620
I had to hear from a business owner, so I did call Director Galloway.

519
00:46:12,780 --> 00:46:15,760
We had a conversation about it.

520
00:46:15,780 --> 00:46:18,220
You know, I do see the parking deck as an investment.

521
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,860
It's not just building the parking deck and I think there's a return on that

522
00:46:22,860 --> 00:46:23,480
investment.

523
00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:32,280
And maybe if you could kind of our conversation, you, my understanding, it really

524
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:40,340
wasn't a capacity thing from a standpoint. It was more of a logistical. But 30 days ago,

525
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:52,840
the municipal deck, it wasn't in our conversations when we were meeting with DNA. So this is a

526
00:46:53,420 --> 00:46:54,820
So, a couple things.

527
00:46:55,560 --> 00:47:00,820
The engineering or getting the new plans is, we are in clean that in the 227ers.

528
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,340
That is that moved off as well.

529
00:47:05,420 --> 00:47:12,480
You know, that moves off, I think either Mr. Hanger, Ms. Loudon, will be able to give you a little more detail around the specific timing.

530
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:14,120
Sure.

531
00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:21,600
So, with regard to the Nichols Jack, the proposal that we have in the slides tonight that we're going to go over includes,

532
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:29,720
essentially concept design remaining for the Nickels Jack in 2027 and then pushing out the actual

533
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:34,940
detailed design for the construction document that we would need for bidding. That pushes

534
00:47:34,940 --> 00:47:40,600
that out a few years to align it with construction coming after the next stages of streets gave

535
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:48,420
an after the municipal Jack. So the reason that we proposed keeping money into continue design in

536
00:47:48,420 --> 00:47:52,780
of concept was because of some of the feedback that had been related to us from the meetings that

537
00:47:52,780 --> 00:47:56,280
were had where there's questions around the design. You know, does it need all the aesthetics,

538
00:47:56,580 --> 00:48:02,960
do we need the pocket part, can we forego the underground portions, could we go higher?

539
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:09,300
You know, if we're committed to the design as it is, we could skip that phase and go straight to

540
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:14,500
beginning preparation of construction documents for bidding. But if we want to investigate any

541
00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:18,880
those questions, we would want to bring a parking expert on board to evaluate some of those

542
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,660
potential cost saving measures and things that would make the deck more cost efficient.

543
00:48:23,740 --> 00:48:30,060
So concept design in this budget, that's quite different than getting full engineering designs,

544
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:34,060
right? Correct. And the numbers a lot bigger, right? The difference?

545
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:41,760
What was first engineering? Yeah. So we kept the same amount for engineering as we would expect

546
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:47,580
we've made, we just pushed that out and then added that 100,000 in for the concept phase.

547
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:59,640
But what's changed is the timeline of construction instead of, yes.

548
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:04,240
So for the past several years where we've slaughtered these within the Capital Improvement

549
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:10,740
Program and through our conversations with Dak and DNA and NDP has assumed that we would

550
00:49:12,340 --> 00:49:16,820
basically dust off the old plans, fix them up a little bit, and move on to construction.

551
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:22,780
So as we started to take a look further, we did begin to understand after having a courtesy

552
00:49:22,780 --> 00:49:26,820
conversation with some deck experts that we would need to do a little bit more robust

553
00:49:26,820 --> 00:49:30,420
design on those plans to bring it up to current building codes, which is where that costing

554
00:49:30,420 --> 00:49:33,160
crease comes in so that we'll take a little bit more time.

555
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:40,580
And then as more of the conversations started to come around with questions regarding the design

556
00:49:40,580 --> 00:49:46,040
elements, height, park, aesthetic features, that's where we felt like that's going to take us

557
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:50,720
more time. If we want to reopen those conversations, we're going to need a lot more time to prepare

558
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:51,480
that design.

559
00:49:53,620 --> 00:49:59,600
Okay, so in the extending this timeline, is this a staff capacity thing or is it

560
00:49:59,600 --> 00:49:59,860
just

561
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:13,680
It's a lot of both. Logistically, I do not recommend that we conduct major streetscape projects and multiple projects at a time. I think that's just too much impact on the downtown.

562
00:50:14,180 --> 00:50:20,300
That does require a lot of staff time if those are the priorities we can allocate the staff and adjust other priorities accordingly.

563
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:26,120
But I really think it's more of a logistics impact to the downtown that we're concerned with.

564
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,200
Okay, thank you.

565
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:29,320
Councilman Wilson.

566
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:32,050
Thank you, Mayor.

567
00:50:33,570 --> 00:50:41,750
So we had the PUAB board meeting this past Thursday and the discussion around rates was brought up.

568
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:47,150
We got the report from the Finance Department looking at it. Sorry, sorry if this was sort of been talked about.

569
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:56,790
But with the rate recommendation changes that were brought seem to line up with the electric charges.

570
00:50:57,750 --> 00:51:03,110
at least year-to-date and from the variance from 2025 from last year obviously

571
00:51:03,110 --> 00:51:11,910
sends the debt that was occurred but they seemed to line up and the question was

572
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:17,090
brought up to mayor I don't know if Tracy if you have any comment on the see

573
00:51:17,090 --> 00:51:25,810
there but the question as far as like subcitation subcities and rates as far as

574
00:51:25,810 --> 00:51:33,170
goes go how those occur and if both of them are remembering this, right and not to put

575
00:51:33,170 --> 00:51:41,910
hopefully I'm not putting words in Mayor's mouth here, but from what he had said, there may

576
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:49,930
be variants as months to month, but actual, at the end of the year and I know director career

577
00:51:49,930 --> 00:51:54,830
you've talked about this before, where things may change months to months, but at the end

578
00:51:54,830 --> 00:52:04,650
the day at the end of the year, then we may be short or ahead based on people's purchases,

579
00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:12,230
purchase of electricity, or if we're not ahead of our debt, then we may need to issue

580
00:52:12,970 --> 00:52:20,890
our purchase debt, which is kind of what happened. And the discussion around not raising rates for

581
00:52:20,890 --> 00:52:29,550
some time had was brought up as well and what had happened last year as far as rate increases

582
00:52:29,550 --> 00:52:34,870
as well. Is that an accurate representation, Dr. Krieger?

583
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:38,030
Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment.

584
00:52:40,130 --> 00:52:44,570
We strive from one rate study period until the end

585
00:52:44,570 --> 00:52:50,730
of the following one. We look at where we're going to be three years at the end here.

586
00:52:50,730 --> 00:52:57,190
knowing that you're going to have some years better than, better than, anticipate in some

587
00:52:57,190 --> 00:53:04,210
years worse. And yeah, I mean, for this three year period, we're actually tracking fairly

588
00:53:04,210 --> 00:53:11,350
close. You know, a lot of it, probably the greatest variable we have, you know, frankly, without

589
00:53:11,350 --> 00:53:19,590
a major customer ad or loss is really weather. And, you know, that's very difficult to predict.

590
00:53:20,650 --> 00:53:21,690
Thank you.

591
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:24,160
All right.

592
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:29,120
I'm going to reserve my comments for getting the parking garage and the funding source for

593
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:35,300
the miserable parking garage for the actual presentation little later on in the slides.

594
00:53:35,580 --> 00:53:42,140
But with regard to the battery technology, we're in a full requirements contract with IMEA.

595
00:53:42,140 --> 00:53:44,480
Batteries are for peak shaving and frequency regulation.

596
00:53:44,860 --> 00:53:49,180
If the city goes out and requires a battery and it does anything that would trigger a peak

597
00:53:49,180 --> 00:54:18,640
to be leaving interpretation by the IMEA, their membership is likely going to say, okay, thanks for subsidizing us, because you can't be shaped without our being a party to this, so I think at this point where we are with the IMEA contract we're pretty locked in unless we decide to reopen negotiations and potentially have the conversation and get something done earlier, but they were pretty clear about where they were with the IMEA prior to our conversations.

598
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:25,700
All right, so we need to get Councilman Sayed back on the phone, Mr. Krieger, you're getting

599
00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:28,700
to get your presentation queued up, are you ready to go?

600
00:54:31,540 --> 00:54:34,200
Uh, Mr. McCulloch said I'm not quite ready and I need one minute.

601
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:35,160
All right.

602
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:36,420
We are ready, Mayor.

603
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:37,760
You can put it on the screen.

604
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:38,860
How about that?

605
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:45,910
Yep, they do that back in the booth also.

606
00:54:46,610 --> 00:54:48,650
Oh, I can do this. Oh, I can do this before everybody.

607
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:56,600
Councilman Sayed?

608
00:54:57,140 --> 00:54:59,940
Yeah, back live in Council Chambers.

609
00:55:00,050 --> 00:55:02,550
Please hold on for a second. Okay.

610
00:55:12,430 --> 00:55:14,070
All right, we are all set, Mr. Mayor.

611
00:55:14,610 --> 00:55:15,010
Go ahead.

612
00:55:15,730 --> 00:55:18,530
All right, thank you and good evening and everyone.

613
00:55:18,850 --> 00:55:23,190
Tonight is the first of three budget workshops being held to discuss the proposed

614
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:28,150
2027 operating in the capital budgets. These workshops are an important part of the annual

615
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:32,270
budget process. They inform the community on how the city will spend tax

616
00:55:32,270 --> 00:55:37,130
dollars and provide all of you with the information necessary to make well informed

617
00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:38,510
financial decisions.

618
00:55:40,190 --> 00:55:45,490
Tonight we'll start with an overview of the city's capital improvement program, more commonly

619
00:55:45,490 --> 00:55:50,710
referred to as CIP, we'll review that this year's progress, and discuss some of the major

620
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:55,570
areas of investment plan for the next five years, and that will include no review of some

621
00:55:55,570 --> 00:56:01,250
of the projects we have planned and details on how we intend to fund those projects.

622
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,560
CIP provides a multi-year roadmap for the city's infrastructure and capital needs, rather

623
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,180
than looking at projects one budget year at a time.

624
00:56:11,980 --> 00:56:14,960
These types of projects often have long lead times

625
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,840
in can span several years from initial planning

626
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,000
and design through construction and completion.

627
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,900
The multi-year approach allows the city

628
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:24,400
to look ahead at major investments

629
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,820
anticipate funding needs and better understand

630
00:56:27,820 --> 00:56:29,940
how projects fit together over time.

631
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,340
It also helps staff and council

632
00:56:32,340 --> 00:56:34,640
consider the overall pace and sequencing

633
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,560
of capital investment rather than evaluating

634
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:44,000
each project in isolation, but we want to stress is just because we look at the CIP and

635
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,660
five-year increments, doesn't mean this is a one-and-done review for council. You will

636
00:56:48,660 --> 00:56:53,160
have multiple checkpoints to review capital projects before significant expenditures occur.

637
00:56:53,860 --> 00:56:59,720
The first opportunity is really tonight. The reason we have a capital workshop before the

638
00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:07,540
proposed budget is published is so that council can discuss priorities, project, timing, scope, and

639
00:57:07,540 --> 00:57:13,000
I give a staff information we need about these major investments so we can adjust as needed and

640
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,500
still have two more workshops for council discussion.

641
00:57:17,300 --> 00:57:21,840
As individual projects move forward, there are additional opportunities to review their

642
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,880
funding contracts and other actions necessary to advance the work during the procurement process.

643
00:57:28,060 --> 00:57:33,360
This process allows council to provide direction as more information becomes available, particularly

644
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:38,560
for projects with significant cost, complex designs, and changing circumstances.

645
00:57:40,140 --> 00:57:44,340
So inclusion in the capital program should not be viewed as a single point of approval.

646
00:57:44,900 --> 00:57:50,060
It's part of a broader process that gives council multiple opportunities to evaluate projects

647
00:57:50,060 --> 00:57:52,040
before major expenditures are made.

648
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:57,700
This flexibility is particularly important for multi-year projects because estimates and

649
00:57:57,700 --> 00:58:03,120
circumstances can change between the time our project is initially planned and when construction

650
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:08,500
actually begins. This approach allows the city to continue planning for long-term infrastructure

651
00:58:08,500 --> 00:58:14,340
investment while maintaining the flexibility to respond to changing priorities, costs, and

652
00:58:14,340 --> 00:58:15,220
financial conditions.

653
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:22,160
This year, capital dollars spent in under contract are 11 percent higher

654
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:28,340
compared to 2025. That improvement in spending is largely driven by projects within the

655
00:58:28,340 --> 00:58:31,600
electric water utilities along with Ted.

656
00:58:32,180 --> 00:58:35,360
We expect to spend roughly $157 million this year,

657
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:40,060
about 87% of the CIP, with 51% of that work

658
00:58:40,060 --> 00:58:41,260
already under contract.

659
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,580
Work on the reconstruction of Northborough Road

660
00:58:44,580 --> 00:58:48,080
Underpass continues with about $20 million currently

661
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:48,580
uncovered.

662
00:58:49,220 --> 00:58:52,700
This project's funded 90% by outside resources,

663
00:58:53,180 --> 00:58:55,940
including federal, state, and local partnerships

664
00:58:55,940 --> 00:58:58,280
with Aurora as well as an April township.

665
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,700
At the same time, water is making steady progress

666
00:59:01,700 --> 00:59:04,760
with ongoing work at Springbrook in other capital improvements.

667
00:59:05,820 --> 00:59:08,180
Overall, we're making great progress on projects

668
00:59:08,180 --> 00:59:10,200
that have been and projects that will continue

669
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,280
to be in the budget for many years.

670
00:59:13,460 --> 00:59:15,620
And with that, I'll turn things over to Tracy Morocco

671
00:59:15,620 --> 00:59:18,540
to walk you through what the upcoming CIP looks like.

672
00:59:21,650 --> 00:59:22,250
Thanks Doug.

673
00:59:23,230 --> 00:59:25,350
This slide illustrates how our CIP continues

674
00:59:25,350 --> 00:59:27,490
to shift towards upgrades and replacements

675
00:59:27,490 --> 00:59:31,710
over the past five years, and will continue to do so in the future.

676
00:59:32,550 --> 00:59:37,810
Historically, the CIP has been divided into two major categories, upgrades and replacements, and maintenance.

677
00:59:38,690 --> 00:59:45,390
Projects have fallen to the upgrade and replacement category involved new assets, large-scale replacements of assets at the end of their useful life,

678
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:50,230
or assets that are being replaced due to external factors such as updated regulatory guidelines.

679
00:59:50,850 --> 00:59:59,710
Water main replacements, the springboard troop implant rehabilitation and North Aurora road are all examples of projects that would be considered an upgrade or replacement.

680
01:00:00,500 --> 01:00:06,900
While most of the city's current capital program falls into this category, we're classifying another group of projects as maintenance.

681
01:00:07,900 --> 01:00:11,000
These are the projects that extend the useful life of existing assets.

682
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:18,660
Examples include road, bridge and parking deck maintenance programs, along with asset repair and improvement programs in the electric utility.

683
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:27,060
About 88% of the CIP has allocated upgrades and replacement projects, while the remaining 12% has allocated a maintenance focus projects.

684
01:00:27,060 --> 01:00:32,240
While this split has been relatively consistent over the last few years, we can see this hasn't

685
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:33,300
always been the case.

686
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:39,640
As the city continues to age, and as new guidelines are established and new developments

687
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:44,300
come online, we will continue experiencing a shift towards upgrades and replacements.

688
01:00:47,330 --> 01:00:56,170
The proposed CIP for 2027 totals $211 million, this is 11% higher than the 2026 CIP.

689
01:00:56,170 --> 01:01:01,930
Outside of the utilities, this increases related to the North Aurora road project, the River

690
01:01:01,930 --> 01:01:08,290
Walks' health extension, Hillside Gateway project, and municipal center deck rehab, and

691
01:01:08,290 --> 01:01:09,850
those will be discussed later this evening.

692
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:14,970
Again, I want to be clear that this number is preliminary and subject to change as we continue

693
01:01:14,970 --> 01:01:16,830
to work through the budget process.

694
01:01:17,590 --> 01:01:21,330
The chart before you shows the areas of the city where investments are being proposed.

695
01:01:21,330 --> 01:01:26,590
As is the case in most years, utility infrastructure projects account for the majority of the

696
01:01:26,590 --> 01:01:29,170
CIP at 60%.

697
01:01:29,170 --> 01:01:36,870
Water makes a 46% or more than $96 million of the proposed CIP, primarily due to upgrades

698
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:38,110
at Springbrook.

699
01:01:39,090 --> 01:01:42,550
Electric accounts for an additional 14% are nearly $30 million.

700
01:01:44,090 --> 01:01:49,410
Outside of the utilities, the largest area of investment is transportation projects, which account for

701
01:01:49,410 --> 01:01:55,590
of the total CIP. Projects in this space include the continued construction on North Aurora,

702
01:01:56,030 --> 01:02:02,430
the 87th Street Bridge, and various traffic improvements. The remaining 21% is made up of items that include

703
01:02:02,430 --> 01:02:06,190
vehicle placements, technology upgrades, and river walk investments.

704
01:02:09,220 --> 01:02:10,600
Any questions on those first couple

705
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:18,660
slides before we move on? Seeing none. All right. Moving on to the utilities. First up is the water utility.

706
01:02:18,660 --> 01:02:24,720
As we mentioned earlier, water's capital plan makes up almost half of the overall CIP for next year.

707
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:31,200
The two main priorities include the multi-year reinvestment in the Springbrook treatment plan and ongoing water main replacements.

708
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:39,640
The Springbrook site improvements consist of all other projects located at or associated with Springbrook that fall outside the treatment plan process.

709
01:02:40,580 --> 01:02:46,320
Lead Piper placement focuses on replacing the remaining lead service lines located in older parts of the city.

710
01:02:47,940 --> 01:02:53,560
Municipalities require to do these replacements and neighborvo remains on track to complete the work by 2027.

711
01:02:54,540 --> 01:03:02,080
The utility is also focusing on sanitary sewer improvements to help prevent groundwater and storm water from causing sewer backups and homes.

712
01:03:02,740 --> 01:03:10,960
And of course there are other capital projects that may not be aligned with one of these specific priorities but are vital to maintaining the utility's day-to-day operations.

713
01:03:13,500 --> 01:03:19,380
This slide should look familiar to most of you as the Springbrook revitalization has been going on for several years now.

714
01:03:19,660 --> 01:03:24,760
As a quick reminder, this work is driven by permit requirements, capacity needs, and the plants age.

715
01:03:25,700 --> 01:03:31,040
The progress illustrated on the slide is based on the project's timeline rather than dollars spent.

716
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:37,040
This project began in 2021 and we are just over halfway through it in 2026.

717
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:43,460
Work on the UB disinfection and Influent Pumps Station Projects is complete, and the South

718
01:03:43,460 --> 01:03:47,460
Plant Grit & Razz Project is expected to be completed in 2027.

719
01:03:49,860 --> 01:03:53,840
Designed has been completed for all projects except one, and much of the plan spending

720
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,520
is for construction over the next five years.

721
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:03,660
Despite here's the full scope of water's capital spending for next year's budget and beyond.

722
01:04:04,420 --> 01:04:08,840
For 2027, water's total capital investment adds up to $98.8 million.

723
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:17,940
Approximately one-third of this work is associated with springbroke and the treatment plant with another third going to water distribution work such as water mains.

724
01:04:19,020 --> 01:04:24,840
The treatment plant and water main work continues until 2030 one at a combined total of $241 million.

725
01:04:25,980 --> 01:04:32,160
And as noted earlier, there are many other projects that contribute to the reliability of the utility that must be completed.

726
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:37,380
Some examples include the rehabilitation of various sanitary sewers and water works.

727
01:04:39,970 --> 01:04:44,990
Here we've outlined some of the improvements coming to our water distribution system, including

728
01:04:44,990 --> 01:04:48,810
five major projects that cover just over six and a half miles.

729
01:04:49,590 --> 01:04:54,690
Work will take place in portions of the Crest Creek, Baye Colony, Olympic Terrace,

730
01:04:58,830 --> 01:04:58,830
and

731
01:04:58,830 --> 01:04:59,950
project is budgeted.

732
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:10,600
At five million dollars, for half a mile of work. This is higher than the residential placements, as construction on major roadways is more complex and requires increased coordination and traffic control.

733
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:20,860
These projects alone account for $27 million of waters of CIP. Additionally, we've highlighted some of the other major water distribution projects here.

734
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:27,820
Two phases of the central elevated tank rehabilitation are budgeted next year for combined total of $3 million.

735
01:05:28,620 --> 01:05:33,040
Phase one involves the construction of piping, a pertinent and a new tank.

736
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:38,420
While phase two involves the demolition of the existing tank and restoration of, excuse me, of the site.

737
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,760
Two million is budgeted for the west elevated tank and reservoir coding.

738
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:49,500
This work provides, sorry, this work protects the structure from UV exposure, corrosion, weather and other long-term wear.

739
01:05:49,500 --> 01:05:55,960
An additional $1.7 million in rehabilitation work will cover major maintenance in the city's

740
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,900
eight remaining emergency standby wells.

741
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:04,500
Finally rehabilitation for both the northwest and southwest waterworks are budgeted for a

742
01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:06,420
combined total of $3.1 million.

743
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:12,420
Work for these projects includes replacing pumps, piping valves, and automation equipment.

744
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,860
We wanted to make one more point about water main replacement work.

745
01:06:17,860 --> 01:06:21,100
Like Springbrook, this is a highly coordinated process.

746
01:06:21,860 --> 01:06:26,200
We try to ensure that no area of work overlap one another and coordinate with other departments

747
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:30,020
to make sure we understand their work plans for the coming years.

748
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:37,480
This is a map of replacements through 231 with work occurring in areas around and north of 75th Street.

749
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:45,340
Next we'll discuss a few major sanitary collection and pumping projects that will be undertaken.

750
01:06:45,340 --> 01:06:49,920
First is the East Highlands sewer main replacement at $4.3 million.

751
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:55,760
This replaces the existing sanitary sewer where current rehabilitation work has surpassed

752
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:56,800
its useful lifespan.

753
01:06:57,740 --> 01:07:02,160
Next is the rehabilitation of the Springbrook Interceptor in the Dragon Lake area of the Springbrook

754
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,820
Forest Preserve, totaling $5.9 million.

755
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:10,580
The Interceptor is a large sanitary sewer that collects wastewater from various parts of the

756
01:07:10,580 --> 01:07:12,360
city and transports it to Springbrook.

757
01:07:12,980 --> 01:07:17,300
Finally, we have the rehabilitation of deteriorated sanitary service laddorals and old

758
01:07:17,300 --> 01:07:20,960
neighbor bill, also known as the Longwood Subdivision at $2 million.

759
01:07:24,110 --> 01:07:26,070
Any questions on the water, Sergei?

760
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:26,830
I'm Kelly.

761
01:07:27,610 --> 01:07:28,030
Thank you, Mayor.

762
01:07:28,930 --> 01:07:29,910
Thank you for the presentation.

763
01:07:30,190 --> 01:07:35,650
So far, just a couple of questions on the water items, you know, there's not really much

764
01:07:35,650 --> 01:07:37,650
we can do about any of these.

765
01:07:37,830 --> 01:07:43,250
We don't see them, but things we essentially have to say, yes, I'm just curious if you

766
01:07:43,250 --> 01:07:50,270
book, it's like 10 and 11, just so we kind of keep track over the years.

767
01:07:50,490 --> 01:07:56,990
I'm just curious if the estimated totals were at 198 for Springbrook, is that the estimated

768
01:07:56,990 --> 01:08:01,950
total from when we started the Springbrook projects about five years ago, or is that as

769
01:08:01,950 --> 01:08:08,110
of today with inflation, or are they the same, and do we expect that to be what it winds

770
01:08:08,110 --> 01:08:11,830
up being about five years from now, or will that likely go up due to inflation?

771
01:08:11,830 --> 01:08:18,450
So that's was in the budget currently as the part of the 2027 numbers.

772
01:08:19,650 --> 01:08:23,590
The total project costs in future years could increase.

773
01:08:23,730 --> 01:08:28,110
This is based on our kind of what we know at the moment and including prior year costs,

774
01:08:28,270 --> 01:08:31,830
the actuals included up to through 2025.

775
01:08:33,150 --> 01:08:37,070
So 198 is kind of our number best known number at the moment.

776
01:08:38,510 --> 01:08:44,990
In next year's budget, that could go up slightly based on updated pricing, but it's kind

777
01:08:44,990 --> 01:08:48,650
of the our our 2027 number.

778
01:08:49,570 --> 01:08:54,590
And is it fair to say based on this chart we're looking at, are we about half way done

779
01:08:54,590 --> 01:09:00,750
with the actual work, but we've only spent about 20% of the dollars is that, and both of

780
01:09:00,750 --> 01:09:01,350
those.

781
01:09:01,350 --> 01:09:05,470
because the work from what I understand with these projects,

782
01:09:06,010 --> 01:09:07,330
the costs are kind of delayed,

783
01:09:07,970 --> 01:09:11,910
invoicing comes later once the work is finally completed.

784
01:09:12,150 --> 01:09:13,430
So the work is halfway done.

785
01:09:13,550 --> 01:09:16,950
I think we're just waiting on final invoicing for some of these,

786
01:09:17,090 --> 01:09:20,030
and I'm sure Director Blanis could explain more.

787
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,040
But yes, the project that I completed was a smaller project,

788
01:09:26,340 --> 01:09:29,740
the larger projects are underway now in next year

789
01:09:29,740 --> 01:09:32,180
with the south plant and northern plant expansions.

790
01:09:32,660 --> 01:09:37,300
So those are the real big ticket items, the ones that we've been done are the smaller ones.

791
01:09:38,900 --> 01:09:43,720
So the Southland Project is underway, and the monthly invoices that we process are large.

792
01:09:44,620 --> 01:09:50,140
So as we get both the Southland and the Northland underway, you'll see this bit budget go up much higher

793
01:09:50,140 --> 01:09:52,060
because they're just much larger projects.

794
01:09:52,940 --> 01:09:54,980
Maybe one quick follow-up for Director Blena.

795
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:59,960
If you could just tell us from a substantive perspective are the projects going well, is it about how you...

796
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:05,320
We thought and hoped the spring group projects would go and are you happy with where we're at right now?

797
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:13,740
Yes. Our spring group projects are going to stream me well. We're very fortunate. We've had good contractors and the projects are going very smoothly.

798
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:24,300
I think we've had very few change orders, which is a good sign as well. So yes, I think the only thing that I would make my make a comment on is on the North plant.

799
01:10:24,300 --> 01:10:28,720
We wanted to be a little bit further this year, but as we got into the South Plank

800
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:32,860
construction and finished the final design for the North Plank, we realized it was

801
01:10:32,860 --> 01:10:37,480
probably better from a coordination standpoint to delay the North Plank a little bit because

802
01:10:37,480 --> 01:10:42,840
we knew more about the South Plank in the North Plank design because that those two projects had

803
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:48,600
to be coordinated very tightly as we build one and take it offline for the other one.

804
01:10:48,860 --> 01:10:53,920
So it's really important that we understand sort of how that works and because of that and

805
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,580
what we know now, who final design on the North plant,

806
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:58,500
that got pushed out a little bit,

807
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,140
and we just picked out the bed early next year.

808
01:11:01,780 --> 01:11:03,780
So that's like the only delay, but it was a plan delay.

809
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:05,820
All right, thank you.

810
01:11:05,980 --> 01:11:06,600
I'll tell him Gibson.

811
01:11:07,140 --> 01:11:07,840
Thank you, Mayor.

812
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:10,740
I'd like to start off by saying this slide 10

813
01:11:10,740 --> 01:11:13,360
is an awesome graphic, really helpful.

814
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:15,460
I know I sent through a lot of questions,

815
01:11:16,180 --> 01:11:20,500
kind of an acuté format, and this sort of holistic view

816
01:11:20,500 --> 01:11:23,520
for projects, it's just really helpful

817
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,820
going forward in great question by Councilman Kelly

818
01:11:26,460 --> 01:11:28,060
about projected change in the cost.

819
01:11:28,260 --> 01:11:30,620
I hadn't thought of that, just in general,

820
01:11:31,140 --> 01:11:33,000
I like the slide a lot.

821
01:11:34,220 --> 01:11:37,080
So what we could level set about water main replacements,

822
01:11:38,300 --> 01:11:41,360
if you could just remind me kind of standard

823
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:44,980
is the goal of what, seven to 10 miles a year

824
01:11:44,980 --> 01:11:46,680
is what we've been hoping for.

825
01:11:48,900 --> 01:11:50,640
Yes, so with each rate study,

826
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,060
we were trying to take a little bit more work in that regard.

827
01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:56,120
Our goal is to get to 10 miles.

828
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,400
We did a condition assessment study several years ago.

829
01:12:00,100 --> 01:12:02,620
And we've fallen pretty far behind on the main replacement.

830
01:12:03,500 --> 01:12:06,900
And to get caught out, we need to get to 10 miles for a while.

831
01:12:07,580 --> 01:12:09,040
But we can't do all that at once.

832
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,180
So we had to sort of gradually stairs to up that program up.

833
01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:18,800
And we took the opportunity with each rate study to sort of take

834
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,140
out more work with each.

835
01:12:20,300 --> 01:12:23,220
So like hopefully the next rate study, we go from 7 to 10.

836
01:12:23,220 --> 01:12:27,920
or somewhere in that ballpark. So we went from like three miles to five miles to seven

837
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:32,260
miles to two miles. So on the waterway side, we really have been sort of growing the program

838
01:12:32,260 --> 01:12:38,620
with each successive rate study. Okay, thank you, Director Blennis. What's like the lifespan of

839
01:12:38,620 --> 01:12:40,600
a standard 75 to 100?

840
01:12:42,740 --> 01:12:46,800
Correct. About 85 years to 100 years. Fortunately, some of the pipe that was

841
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,800
put in the 60s, 70s and 80s is not lasting that long.

842
01:12:51,020 --> 01:12:52,580
It's lasting around 50 years.

843
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:57,340
So, but Pipe put in today should last 85 to 100 years.

844
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,580
Okay, thank you, because I do notice I don't know if we can go

845
01:13:00,580 --> 01:13:01,660
to slide 13,

846
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,080
this looks like a lot of water main replacement

847
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:10,320
and it absolutely is, but I also notice that it's not a whole map

848
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:11,460
our city,

849
01:13:13,480 --> 01:13:21,320
lots of areas to the south, to the west, and this is covering six years of

850
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:27,700
plans. So I just thrown it on our radar that there's a lot of the city that this is coming

851
01:13:27,700 --> 01:13:33,960
up when we're talking about maintenance and increasing. And then on the next slide,

852
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:36,720
it's

853
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:38,240
probably a very dumb question.

854
01:13:38,620 --> 01:13:41,020
Sour main is different than a water main, correct?

855
01:13:41,940 --> 01:13:51,960
So, this East Highlands Sour main, 1990s, that's about 35 years ago, why, what's life span of that?

856
01:13:52,200 --> 01:14:00,380
So, that pipe was rehabbed in the 1990s, so we put it in a liner to extend the life of the pipe, and that lining is starting to fail.

857
01:14:01,260 --> 01:14:05,160
You can't line a liner, so now that we have, we put the liner in the 90s and it's failing,

858
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:10,480
or only hope is to replace the pipe, so that's why we're doing the rehab for East Highlands.

859
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:16,220
So the line of put in the 90s gave us more time, but that line is starting to fail.

860
01:14:16,980 --> 01:14:27,840
Okay, so presumably the neighborhoods that have been built later in the 80s and 90s further to the south are better sewer materials and won't need to be replaced.

861
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:33,780
We do inspections every year, and any of the rehabs that we've done in that area are

862
01:14:33,780 --> 01:14:39,880
cornering our inspections are holding, and we did inspections of this area that lining in

863
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:43,280
these areas are failing as causing problems.

864
01:14:46,010 --> 01:14:46,430
All right, thanks.

865
01:14:46,430 --> 01:14:46,950
That's really helpful.

866
01:14:47,230 --> 01:14:52,210
Council, were you referring to neighborhoods in the Southern portion of the neighborhood like

867
01:14:52,210 --> 01:14:56,970
Maplebrook and some of those older neighborhoods when you said the south, they're really...

868
01:14:56,970 --> 01:14:58,810
Yeah, just in general looking.

869
01:14:58,810 --> 01:14:59,950
and if we're replacing...

870
01:15:00,690 --> 01:15:07,950
So, we're main replacements that have been fixed in 1990s at $4.3 million dollars. There's a lot of news source

871
01:15:07,950 --> 01:15:13,950
that we're put in around that time too, and I'm concerned that that means we're going to have to start replacing those soon as well.

872
01:15:14,670 --> 01:15:19,970
The supermaids are typically also have a useful life of more than 50 years.

873
01:15:20,750 --> 01:15:26,010
You put the line around, the line that can get you traditional 30 years potentially, if it all goes to plan.

874
01:15:26,010 --> 01:15:31,110
Unfortunately, the liner in these areas are failing and we need to be replaced.

875
01:15:31,650 --> 01:15:32,030
Okay.

876
01:15:32,710 --> 01:15:33,070
Thank you.

877
01:15:33,710 --> 01:15:34,270
Council Magine.

878
01:15:34,990 --> 01:15:35,790
Thank you, Mayor.

879
01:15:37,650 --> 01:15:42,390
Along the same line of questioning regarding the water distribution.

880
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:51,450
Are there any like external factors that might interfere with our timeline that, you know,

881
01:15:51,450 --> 01:15:58,870
whether or, you know, material access that we should kind of be aware of.

882
01:15:59,290 --> 01:16:05,410
I think our biggest limitation is cash of, you know, availability, you know, in funds and also

883
01:16:05,410 --> 01:16:07,530
coordination with other departments.

884
01:16:08,850 --> 01:16:13,410
You know, we have to coordinate very closely with the road program and road resurfacing program.

885
01:16:14,170 --> 01:16:18,710
So we have to make sure that we coordinate closely, you know, with all the utilities that are

886
01:16:18,710 --> 01:16:26,230
ground. So that's also a limiting factor as well. So every year we have meetings,

887
01:16:26,410 --> 01:16:30,370
they'll be coordinated with Ted, electric, public works to make sure that we're not

888
01:16:30,370 --> 01:16:35,530
getting in each other's way. Or Ted will do a row resurfacing and they're not

889
01:16:35,530 --> 01:16:38,690
coming in the next year and tearing up with waterman replacement. So we want to

890
01:16:38,690 --> 01:16:42,350
ensure it's coordinated. So I think those are the biggest limitations to make sure

891
01:16:42,350 --> 01:16:44,090
we do this at a very coordinated fashion.

892
01:16:44,090 --> 01:16:52,790
Okay. Thank you. And a quick question. And I apologize. I'm going back to slide number five.

893
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:04,840
Just if someone could explain the drop from 2028 to 2029 and our CIP budget of roughly 50 million.

894
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:14,100
Like is that due to anticipated upgrades that we have in the coming years, but we don't necessarily anticipate that starting 2029.

895
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,980
Just seems like a substantial drop.

896
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:23,780
We have to maybe check a little further, but it could be due to the timing of the Spring

897
01:17:23,780 --> 01:17:24,880
Brook projects.

898
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:30,780
Also sometimes what you see in a CIP just in general is the out-ears tend to be a little lighter

899
01:17:30,780 --> 01:17:36,200
in terms of projects, we tend to front-load them, even though we try our best to spread them

900
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:41,420
out as you'll see in the presentation tonight, but it could be Spring Brook and North

901
01:17:41,420 --> 01:17:43,300
a road dropping off as well.

902
01:17:43,480 --> 01:17:44,760
Some of the larger ticket items.

903
01:17:45,140 --> 01:17:45,940
Yeah, that makes sense.

904
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,740
I just wanted to make sure there was something we weren't.

905
01:17:48,860 --> 01:17:51,080
That I might be missing that might be coming up.

906
01:17:51,260 --> 01:17:53,300
So thank you for clarifying that.

907
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:55,520
That's an oight.

908
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:58,240
Thank you.

909
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:03,000
A question on the slide number 10, if you can go back to that one.

910
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:07,320
Now, is everything here based on the phosphorus,

911
01:18:07,860 --> 01:18:09,920
or is there other items on here that

912
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,480
with other aspects of the revitalization?

913
01:18:14,140 --> 01:18:15,920
Fossures is a piece of this.

914
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,840
So we are using the Fossures funds to offset or cost

915
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,520
across all these projects.

916
01:18:22,980 --> 01:18:26,840
This includes the Fossures Removal, this includes

917
01:18:27,740 --> 01:18:31,200
making the plant larger capacity and also just replacing

918
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,020
50-year-old concrete that's starting to fail.

919
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,680
So basically, it's maintenance, it's upgrades,

920
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:42,780
capacity improvements and also the phosphorus requirement. So it's all

921
01:18:42,780 --> 01:18:46,740
he about. And I asked a question because I mean when I was first

922
01:18:46,740 --> 01:18:52,680
on council I think my first budget was probably 2018's budget and I

923
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:56,400
want to say the phosphorus plant was estimated to be 50 million

924
01:18:56,400 --> 01:19:00,320
dollars and we had to come up with about 25 and you're telling me we're

925
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:02,300
to 100 million right now.

926
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:10,820
The original estimates that is correct, phosphorus is a piece of this by the, and in phosphorus

927
01:19:10,820 --> 01:19:17,520
is mostly included within, I think that's what the clock needed disc filters.

928
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:19,380
It would be a low-dream room room room unit.

929
01:19:19,380 --> 01:19:24,020
In the south plant, the North plant and the clock media disc filters are a phosphorus related,

930
01:19:24,340 --> 01:19:27,140
but they also include capacity expansions as well.

931
01:19:27,140 --> 01:19:35,760
So, I'd say the phosphorus improvements are probably total around half of the total cost.

932
01:19:36,380 --> 01:19:39,100
So it's, okay, that's kind of why I was wearing it.

933
01:19:39,300 --> 01:19:41,480
And the $15 million was in $2017.

934
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:43,560
Yeah. So that's about 10 years old now.

935
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:45,000
So it's essentially doubled.

936
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:46,540
Yes.

937
01:19:46,580 --> 01:19:48,640
Compared to where, I don't know who was that.

938
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:50,020
I think it may have been a meal.

939
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:53,120
Mr. Malone was talking about how much things have increased.

940
01:19:53,140 --> 01:19:53,600
Correct.

941
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:54,760
But the parking deck.

942
01:19:55,900 --> 01:19:59,680
And so in a longer way, more expensive it gets.

943
01:20:00,430 --> 01:20:03,590
It's a lie. Thank you.

944
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:07,620
That's all for the questions.

945
01:20:12,350 --> 01:20:21,290
All right, that would bring things back to me. Let's see. For the electric utility, 2027 planned capital investments, total

946
01:20:21,290 --> 01:20:26,790
just under $30 million. Main focus is to continue with the Skate in Durham's implementation.

947
01:20:28,150 --> 01:20:33,410
As a reminder, this project is necessary to ensure the city can replace the current Skate Assistant

948
01:20:33,410 --> 01:20:36,530
prior to it becoming obsolete in 2028.

949
01:20:37,870 --> 01:20:43,230
Last year, the city was expecting a little over $700,000 in federal grants.

950
01:20:43,730 --> 01:20:45,390
They were going to help fund this project.

951
01:20:45,910 --> 01:20:50,050
However, due to federal policy change, grant funding was pulled.

952
01:20:50,950 --> 01:20:56,950
We appealed the decision, and while no grant money is expected in 2026 to fund the upgrade,

953
01:20:57,310 --> 01:21:02,130
we're very happy to report that about a million dollars in federal funding will likely

954
01:21:02,130 --> 01:21:06,810
be available, available to us next year.

955
01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:09,950
Now, this can still change.

956
01:21:10,510 --> 01:21:15,330
We're currently operating with the impression that the federal grant money will be secured

957
01:21:15,330 --> 01:21:19,790
in 2027, and that will be included as a funding component for the CIP.

958
01:21:21,470 --> 01:21:27,530
Other significant capital projects, $3.2 million for utility hardware and metering upgrades.

959
01:21:28,350 --> 01:21:32,390
This allows our electric utility to upgrade the hardware required to support

960
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:33,770
metering and billiard operations.

961
01:21:34,990 --> 01:21:38,390
And then we also plan to continue investing heavily in cable replacement

962
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:42,650
program with work scheduled to take place in the areas surrounding the river.

963
01:21:45,980 --> 01:21:48,920
Another major area, focus of the utility substations.

964
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:52,720
The equipment plays a major role in reliably transmitting power

965
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,660
through the city's electrical system.

966
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:57,860
Whether a number of projects that maintain upgrade or replace

967
01:21:57,860 --> 01:22:03,060
sub-station components, this slide highlights a number of significant investments that are

968
01:22:03,060 --> 01:22:09,320
planned for the next year. Replacing various 34 and 138 KV relays at the ModF

969
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:15,260
sub-station is expected to cost 1.3 million. Relay replacements enhance reliability

970
01:22:15,260 --> 01:22:21,280
across the system by protecting and isolating things like transmission lines and transformers.

971
01:22:21,820 --> 01:22:26,460
Utility will invest 1.3 million dollars to purchase sub-station and transformer replacements,

972
01:22:26,460 --> 01:22:32,760
which help ensure that assets meeting the end of their useful life are being replaced in a timely manner.

973
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:37,440
Planion also calls for $2 million for cable replacements of various substations.

974
01:22:38,220 --> 01:22:43,220
And finally, we'll continue to see significant material deliveries for the toll waste substation.

975
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:51,120
This substation is vital to the city's electrical system because it's responsible for power along the entire IIT corridor,

976
01:22:51,120 --> 01:23:01,080
as well as downtown Naperville, and question, spending to dates, we have spent $9.4 million

977
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:08,300
in toll waste substation upgrades prior to this point.

978
01:23:09,480 --> 01:23:15,380
And then work, at least a toll waste substation, also includes construction of a new building,

979
01:23:15,380 --> 01:23:20,780
to House Equipment Indoor's, which we believe will significantly enhance our reliability.

980
01:23:23,890 --> 01:23:28,450
On to Undergrounding, during last year's budget process, Council engaged in a discussion

981
01:23:28,450 --> 01:23:31,370
around our plans for Undergrounding Overhead lines.

982
01:23:32,430 --> 01:23:36,990
At that time, Tier 1 option outlined on the table on the current slide was a directed

983
01:23:36,990 --> 01:23:37,850
path forward.

984
01:23:38,630 --> 01:23:45,730
As a reminder, this option is anticipated cost roughly $18 million by 2030, and focuses

985
01:23:45,730 --> 01:23:51,670
on under-grounding lines along major roadways and lines that feed major electrically equipment.

986
01:23:53,450 --> 01:23:58,370
The option allows you utility to reduce outages for more customers, while largely avoiding the

987
01:23:58,370 --> 01:24:05,210
need to work in residential neighborhoods. Proposed CIP includes $1.3 million for the continuation

988
01:24:05,210 --> 01:24:12,730
of the Tier 1 approach to under-grounding and work is going to focus on lines that feed major equipment items,

989
01:24:12,730 --> 01:24:17,290
including those that go in from the Aged and Substation to the Jefferson Substation.

990
01:24:18,030 --> 01:24:26,130
In the current year, we expect to spend $2.3 million this year.

991
01:24:26,610 --> 01:24:33,690
In Undergrounding, we previously, and what the 2.3 million

992
01:24:33,690 --> 01:24:35,510
and we're continuing to do it.

993
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:40,050
Currently working on is Aged into Eagle Street Undergrounding.

994
01:24:40,050 --> 01:24:44,290
and we've actually already started the directional boring for that.

995
01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:49,910
For next year, the 1.3 is significantly less than our original plan.

996
01:24:50,310 --> 01:24:59,730
That was due to the fact that we anticipated getting some federal grant funding to assist us in this from resiliency standpoint.

997
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:18,840
And that funding did not pan out. So our electric utility staff are currently reviewing the rest of the tier 1 to appropriately kind of sequence it because we're going to have to change its significantly since we'll be doing much less than we anticipated in 2027.

998
01:25:21,140 --> 01:25:24,260
Uh, let's see.

999
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:28,000
Questions?

1000
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:30,140
Are there any questions?

1001
01:25:30,440 --> 01:25:31,080
Councilman Gibson?

1002
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:33,740
Yeah.

1003
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:34,440
Thank you, Mayor.

1004
01:25:34,860 --> 01:25:36,700
I, the Toeway Substation upgrades.

1005
01:25:36,980 --> 01:25:39,680
How does the amount of work we've put into that substation

1006
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:43,340
compared to the substation and other 15 or on the city?

1007
01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:48,080
You know, Mr. Man, you were probably best position for that.

1008
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:54,620
Yes, we, it's been a long term strategic position to upgrade Toeway.

1009
01:25:54,620 --> 01:26:01,240
And we are spending more on that whole way because of the impact and proximity to I-88

1010
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:02,900
and the impact from Salt Spray.

1011
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:07,060
So when that happens, we've experienced a lot of customer outages,

1012
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:12,940
so the thought is to bring that infrastructure inside for long-term reliability.

1013
01:26:16,250 --> 01:26:21,890
As a fellow, would you say most of that works to meet current need or expected increase need in the future?

1014
01:26:24,930 --> 01:26:28,790
When the building was designed, it was with both in mind.

1015
01:26:29,190 --> 01:26:33,710
It does need an immediate need, but it is planned for the future as well.

1016
01:26:41,060 --> 01:26:41,680
Councilor White?

1017
01:26:43,060 --> 01:26:43,420
Thank you.

1018
01:26:43,700 --> 01:26:48,700
And just one quick follow-up to that with what we're spending for the boring and

1019
01:26:48,700 --> 01:26:49,000
underground.

1020
01:26:50,260 --> 01:26:53,540
We were at 94% where how much culture does this get us to 100?

1021
01:26:57,980 --> 01:26:59,500
My answer would be a little bit.

1022
01:27:00,220 --> 01:27:03,240
But Mr. Mayan might be able to provide a little more detail on that.

1023
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:09,380
I think with our current schedule, we were looking at what like half a percent per year or something.

1024
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:22,080
That'd be fairly accurate, half percent per year, but right now where we're at is the toughest remaining to underground.

1025
01:27:23,060 --> 01:27:30,260
And what we haven't talked about is the rear lights where we would have to negotiate easements with each individual resident.

1026
01:27:30,700 --> 01:27:33,540
And that becomes a little more problematic and a little bit more expensive.

1027
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:44,280
I mean, 94% is awesome, but I know with the recent storms we had and I want to say they hit

1028
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:50,700
your neighborhood, your neighborhood, lots of electricity for some significant period of time,

1029
01:27:50,860 --> 01:27:55,380
I had some friends a little over there as well, and it does bring it to light that little extra

1030
01:27:55,380 --> 01:27:59,300
6% you know, let's see if we can take care of it.

1031
01:28:01,220 --> 01:28:07,580
Councilman Olzer. Thank you, Mayor. Another question for Director Man is a follow-up to

1032
01:28:07,580 --> 01:28:14,060
Councilman Gibson's question. I know that one of the developments that was contemplated last year

1033
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:21,400
would have been a major power user right by IDA. So the Keras project has been enough not happening.

1034
01:28:22,820 --> 01:28:28,420
How had that gone through? How would that have impacted the IDA-8 substation and what changes,

1035
01:28:28,420 --> 01:28:33,020
You know, now that it's a residential neighborhood, there that's using a significantly different

1036
01:28:33,020 --> 01:28:38,500
amount of energy, we're talking about the data center, you correct, okay?

1037
01:28:39,900 --> 01:28:46,460
There could be a lengthy answer, I'll try to shorten it, the demand for their electricity,

1038
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:50,480
we would have had to supply it from two different locations for redundancy.

1039
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:56,540
So it would have been a very significant project to undertake, we believe we could have fed them

1040
01:28:56,540 --> 01:29:00,620
initially from a total waste substation.

1041
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:03,920
However, the second feed would have had to come from another area.

1042
01:29:04,660 --> 01:29:09,300
And the good news is that cost would have been transferred to the cost-causer.

1043
01:29:10,220 --> 01:29:15,580
So it would have helped with reliability for that location, but on the negative side too

1044
01:29:15,580 --> 01:29:20,620
that, then, once that infrastructure is installed, then we have to own and maintain it.

1045
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:21,240
Okay.

1046
01:29:21,460 --> 01:29:21,840
Thank you, Mayor.

1047
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:23,780
Councilman Kelly.

1048
01:29:24,460 --> 01:29:24,760
Thank you, Mayor.

1049
01:29:24,940 --> 01:29:27,020
Just want to follow up with Councilman White's point about the

1050
01:29:27,020 --> 01:29:29,540
Undergrounding, which I think he's right on the money on that.

1051
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:31,480
We saw this past summer.

1052
01:29:31,700 --> 01:29:32,820
How important it is.

1053
01:29:33,260 --> 01:29:36,060
Two things I just want to follow up on that I heard from staff.

1054
01:29:37,100 --> 01:29:39,580
One from Mr. Krieger I heard we're doing a lot less in

1055
01:29:39,580 --> 01:29:42,740
27 because of the lack of the federal grant.

1056
01:29:43,300 --> 01:29:48,020
Will we so first question is will we still plan to do the same amount of work

1057
01:29:48,020 --> 01:29:50,560
just over extended period of time,

1058
01:29:50,740 --> 01:29:53,300
or is that going to impact the long-term scope

1059
01:29:53,300 --> 01:29:54,200
of what you plan to do?

1060
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:58,360
You know, two things, the overall scope is not changed.

1061
01:29:59,260 --> 01:29:59,640
Obviously.

1062
01:30:00,700 --> 01:30:07,360
We are going to have to reprogram a lot of that 2027 work into the final three years, but we still need

1063
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:12,600
to get it done. And then second, related, even though it wasn't a question, we are going to continue

1064
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:18,660
to seek federal funding for assistance without further further undergrounding. And then the second question

1065
01:30:18,660 --> 01:30:25,060
for either Mr. Krieger or Mr. Mann, I think I heard you say that right now, we're in the hardest part of it,

1066
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,980
and I always thought the hardest part was going to be if and when we got to the backyards that you mentioned,

1067
01:30:29,980 --> 01:30:36,040
which I might or settings were not there right now, and that would be a decision for future

1068
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:40,480
council order to proceed with that phase, which would be a separate phase and this phase

1069
01:30:40,480 --> 01:30:42,400
one. Do I have that right?

1070
01:30:43,500 --> 01:30:48,840
Yes, that is correct. I may have missedpoke. The hardest part is going into the rear

1071
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:58,940
lots and negotiating for easements with each individual customer and identifying that that

1072
01:30:58,940 --> 01:31:04,040
anything three phase along existing roadways because we already have rates to be there.

1073
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:06,220
And that's what we're doing right now.

1074
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:06,660
Yes, sir.

1075
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:07,100
That's correct.

1076
01:31:08,140 --> 01:31:15,440
When would we reach a decision point for the city council to decide whether or not to proceed with,

1077
01:31:15,440 --> 01:31:22,360
I don't know if it's phase two or phase three or some other phase number, but essentially the potential backyard situation?

1078
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:32,400
You know, they would probably be in 28 or 29 time frame, which would allow us time to take care of the design aspects ahead of the, you know, the end of 2030.

1079
01:31:33,180 --> 01:31:40,740
And what we're doing tier one right now, we'll do that regardless of what a future council decides whether they decide to do that additional work or not.

1080
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:48,840
Our plan right now is to, you know, complete tier one, any council, any year could, you know,

1081
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:54,220
they could pull the plug on something, but that is, that's currently our plan is to complete

1082
01:31:54,220 --> 01:31:55,360
all of the tier one.

1083
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:56,080
All right, very good.

1084
01:31:56,100 --> 01:31:57,500
Thank you.

1085
01:31:57,980 --> 01:32:02,180
Now we're going to take a six minute break, we'll be back at 737.

1086
01:32:46,020 --> 01:32:50,540
Okay, it's 737 and we're going to go ahead and reconvene here.

1087
01:32:50,820 --> 01:32:53,560
Can we confirm that Councilman Sayed is still with us on the phone?

1088
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:00,000
Councilman Sayed, can you hear us?

1089
01:33:04,740 --> 01:33:05,500
Councilman Sayed?

1090
01:33:09,830 --> 01:33:11,970
We're just good for him at the line still up in here.

1091
01:33:35,510 --> 01:33:36,030
Good enough.

1092
01:33:36,950 --> 01:33:39,490
High Councilman Sayed and your back live in chambers.

1093
01:33:39,670 --> 01:33:40,030
Thank you.

1094
01:33:40,370 --> 01:33:40,770
Thank you.

1095
01:33:42,650 --> 01:33:47,110
All right, Mr. Krieger, you want to go ahead and proceed with the Facilities Transportation

1096
01:33:47,110 --> 01:33:49,070
Technology Vehicles Network Project.

1097
01:33:50,070 --> 01:33:51,890
Ms. Galley, you will be handling that.

1098
01:33:52,170 --> 01:33:57,370
Thanks Doug. In this section, we will highlight the CIP for facilities, transportation,

1099
01:33:58,350 --> 01:34:00,770
technology vehicles, and downtown projects.

1100
01:34:03,150 --> 01:34:08,690
Plant capital investment in city facilities totals almost $14 million in 2027.

1101
01:34:08,690 --> 01:34:14,750
Most projects in this category are multi-year programs included in several budget cycles.

1102
01:34:16,390 --> 01:34:22,630
2027 is year 5 of a 10-year renovation plan for the almost 40-year-old police department.

1103
01:34:23,410 --> 01:34:29,550
Since 2022, the locker rooms, patrol sergeant area and evidence area have all been renovated.

1104
01:34:30,930 --> 01:34:35,890
At a cost of just over a million dollars, the focus for the next year will be on rehabilitating

1105
01:34:35,890 --> 01:34:40,030
offices in the Investigation Division and Bathrooms throughout the building.

1106
01:34:41,450 --> 01:34:45,770
The continuation of living quarter renovations at the various fire stations is returning

1107
01:34:45,770 --> 01:34:47,290
to the CIP next year.

1108
01:34:48,090 --> 01:34:54,130
This project was included in several previous capital budgets, however, staff prioritized improvements

1109
01:34:54,130 --> 01:34:57,590
at fire station for training facility in 2026.

1110
01:34:58,930 --> 01:35:00,950
with the majority of those improvements come.

1111
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:07,700
Complete, staff is reprogramming $700,000 for living-quarter renovations at fire stations five and six.

1112
01:35:09,060 --> 01:35:18,020
In terms of new initiatives, public works is including $300,000 for a comprehensive evaluation of city building assets and major systems.

1113
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:28,280
This project will allow staff to better understand the overall condition of city buildings, which will help prioritize maintenance and replacement needs in the coming years.

1114
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:35,900
The second new project is a feasibility study for long-range site plans that is being led by the neighbor settlement.

1115
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:44,100
The overall goal for this project is to evaluate moving four historical structures, the blacksmith shop,

1116
01:35:44,460 --> 01:35:49,740
firehouse, stone carber, and print shop to new locations on the settlement property.

1117
01:35:49,740 --> 01:36:00,080
Faces 1 and 2 are planned for 2027 and include a focused side assessment and the development of studies to evaluate the relocation of these buildings.

1118
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:09,380
As previously mentioned, the highest level of focus outside the utilities is on investments in transportation.

1119
01:36:10,660 --> 01:36:16,820
In 2027, transportation focused projects are anticipated to cost roughly $41 million.

1120
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:24,080
Similar to facilities, many of these projects have been a work in progress over the last several years.

1121
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:27,220
However, there are two new projects to cover.

1122
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:35,480
The first is the signal installation at Jefferson and Westridge Court, or what is commonly referred to as the target light.

1123
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:45,120
The CIP includes $75,000 for design work in 2027 with installations set to take place in 2028.

1124
01:36:46,380 --> 01:36:55,420
Although details are not final, staff will propose creating a special service area that both the developer and target will contribute to.

1125
01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:59,940
The next new project is the traffic signal communications upgrade.

1126
01:37:01,060 --> 01:37:07,620
Since the use of analog lines is being phased out, a number of traffic signal communication systems need to be upgraded.

1127
01:37:07,620 --> 01:37:12,280
$300,000 is included in the CIP for these upgrades.

1128
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:20,360
The CIP also includes $575,000 for continuing initiatives like site and traffic development

1129
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:26,680
in the Naperville South 40 located near Route 59 and 103rd.

1130
01:37:26,860 --> 01:37:33,860
Additionally, $1.2 million is budgeted for phase two of the centralized traffic signal management system,

1131
01:37:33,860 --> 01:37:38,040
which includes adding 25 existing signals to the system.

1132
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:44,000
Construction costs for this project are estimated to be roughly two and a half million dollars.

1133
01:37:44,340 --> 01:37:48,840
However, the city will only be responsible for 20% of these costs,

1134
01:37:49,100 --> 01:37:52,020
with the other 80% being covered by federal funds.

1135
01:37:56,010 --> 01:37:59,650
On this slide, we outline other major transportation projects that are planned.

1136
01:38:00,530 --> 01:38:04,670
A little over a million dollars is included for the 248th Avenue upgrades.

1137
01:38:04,670 --> 01:38:12,590
Design work in land acquisition are planned to continue into 2027 and construction starting in 2028.

1138
01:38:14,010 --> 01:38:21,010
Upgrades include construction of new pavement, curb, gutters, streetlights, sidewalks, and storm sewers.

1139
01:38:22,110 --> 01:38:27,810
Almost $2 million is included for the removal and replacement of the Fox River Commons retaining wall,

1140
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:33,230
and a little over $2 million is budgeted for white oak roadway improvements.

1141
01:38:33,230 --> 01:38:40,010
This work includes bringing white oak up to city standards by upgrading curves, gutters,

1142
01:38:40,210 --> 01:38:42,890
utilities, streetlights, and other amenities.

1143
01:38:44,750 --> 01:38:50,130
Almost $3.5 million is planned to replace the 87th street bridge over Springbroke Creek.

1144
01:38:51,030 --> 01:38:57,710
Total construction costs are estimated to be $5.7 million, but the city has secured $3 million

1145
01:38:57,710 --> 01:39:03,230
in federal funding through the local bridge formula program to help cover the costs of this project.

1146
01:39:04,550 --> 01:39:09,850
And finally, construction on the North Aurora road underpass will continue into 2028.

1147
01:39:12,140 --> 01:39:16,500
Now I'll turn the presentation back over to Tracy to talk about technology.

1148
01:39:19,380 --> 01:39:19,780
Thanks, Pam.

1149
01:39:19,980 --> 01:39:24,340
Turning to technology, capital investments in this area total $8.1 million.

1150
01:39:24,340 --> 01:39:30,560
Of that amount, 5.1 million is budgeted for the building security and access upgrades project.

1151
01:39:31,460 --> 01:39:37,540
As previously presented, this project would provide an updated solution for managing secure access to various city buildings.

1152
01:39:38,420 --> 01:39:42,260
The scope also includes funding to replace camera software and fiber connectivity.

1153
01:39:43,260 --> 01:39:48,440
The 5.1 million dollars currently reflects the project cost anticipated for 2027.

1154
01:39:48,440 --> 01:39:54,860
The total project cost for 2026, 2027, and future years is closer to $8.3 million.

1155
01:39:56,840 --> 01:39:59,960
However, given the ongoing discussion surrounding the project, the budget...

1156
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:12,480
Budget remains subject to change. And staff will continue to keep council informed and provide updates on the project scope and budget during upcoming workshops. Other major items include IT's capital replacement programs.

1157
01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:29,980
These are periodic replacement cycles to refresh various IT assets ranging from PCs and PC accessories to computing data storage and networking. The PC replacement program has a budget of 1.4 million while the strategic capital replacement program has a budget of 7 million.

1158
01:40:29,980 --> 01:40:37,240
in 130,000. Finally, we have the replacement of our utility billing software, budgeted at 660,000.

1159
01:40:38,020 --> 01:40:43,160
Our current utility billing software has been in use for more than 30 years. The updated software

1160
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:50,060
will better meet our customer's needs and reflect ongoing technology changes over that same time frame.

1161
01:40:53,010 --> 01:40:57,390
Next is the proposed 2027 renewal of the Police Department's axon contract.

1162
01:40:57,390 --> 01:41:04,690
The current contract expires this year and the proposed renewal totals approximately $1.5 million in its first year.

1163
01:41:05,630 --> 01:41:12,450
The proposal consolidated several existing and previously approved axon programs and resources into a single contract,

1164
01:41:12,830 --> 01:41:18,250
saving an estimated $1.4 million annually, compared to maintaining the program separately.

1165
01:41:19,250 --> 01:41:25,870
The programs now covered by the consolidated contract include digital evidence management software and interview room technology,

1166
01:41:26,570 --> 01:41:32,850
Automated police reporting functionality, virtual reality training, and emergency communications software,

1167
01:41:33,710 --> 01:41:39,150
as well as body mourn cameras, which are legally mandated under the Safety Act and Squad Car cameras.

1168
01:41:40,290 --> 01:41:43,970
The consolidated contract also includes drones as first responder technology,

1169
01:41:44,630 --> 01:41:48,970
which was approved as part of the 2026 budget and discussed in last year's workshops.

1170
01:41:49,930 --> 01:41:56,970
The proposed tenure agreement would provide locked in pricing for each year of the contract with annual increases structured at 3%.

1171
01:41:57,850 --> 01:42:05,330
No, an annual increases provide greater predictability for future budget planning, which reduces uncertainty around future contract costs.

1172
01:42:06,230 --> 01:42:15,530
While the agreement is structured as a tenure contract, it also provides a city with an opportunity to reassess the technology, services costs, and future needs at the five year mark.

1173
01:42:15,530 --> 01:42:28,450
This provides a point for the city to evaluate whether the technology services, whether the technology and the services continue to align with operational needs and council priorities before proceeding with the remainder of the term.

1174
01:42:29,650 --> 01:42:38,390
Overall, the proposal balances long term price certainty and estimated cost savings with the flexibility and opportunity to reassess the city's needs at the five-year point.

1175
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:51,880
Next, we'll discuss our vehicle replacement program, the total cost of vehicle replacements for the next year is $11 million, which is about $3 million more than last year.

1176
01:42:52,260 --> 01:42:57,380
Ideally, replacement schedules are used to keep the budget flat and avoid major spikes from year to year.

1177
01:42:58,280 --> 01:43:06,280
However, a number of public works vehicles were reprogrammed into 2027 and delivery of a fire engine was delayed leading to this year's variance.

1178
01:43:06,980 --> 01:43:13,080
It's important to note that certain vehicles have years of lead time in order to secure delivery for a particular year.

1179
01:43:13,460 --> 01:43:18,940
For example, the aforementioned fire engine was ordered in 2024, totaling $1.1 million.

1180
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:25,460
This equates a one-third of the $3 million variance in replacement vehicle replacements for next year.

1181
01:43:26,580 --> 01:43:29,100
Display does a breakdown of vehicle replacements by department.

1182
01:43:29,900 --> 01:43:33,740
Across all city departments, 46 vehicles are planned for replacement next year.

1183
01:43:33,740 --> 01:43:37,920
three new vehicles are included in the budget pending FTE approval.

1184
01:43:41,300 --> 01:43:43,600
With that, we can answer questions from this section.

1185
01:43:43,940 --> 01:43:44,480
Tom and Jane?

1186
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:45,720
Yes, thank you, Mayor.

1187
01:43:48,100 --> 01:43:54,340
Just a question regarding, well, I'm looking at the sign number 21 at the top.

1188
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:58,540
It says capital investments total 13.6.

1189
01:44:00,100 --> 01:44:04,220
But the amounts listed on the slide don't add up to that.

1190
01:44:04,220 --> 01:44:06,900
So what am I, what am I missing?

1191
01:44:10,290 --> 01:44:13,810
So there's other projects that aren't included on this slide.

1192
01:44:13,950 --> 01:44:15,450
Let me see if there's an additional slide.

1193
01:44:16,430 --> 01:44:20,230
We could provide the full list of facility improvements,

1194
01:44:20,330 --> 01:44:21,190
these are the highlights.

1195
01:44:21,610 --> 01:44:24,830
We tend to also have, and we can pull the number,

1196
01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:29,850
general facility improvements across all city buildings.

1197
01:44:31,090 --> 01:44:32,850
That's not reflected on this slide.

1198
01:44:32,930 --> 01:44:34,790
We just kind of pull out some of the major highlights,

1199
01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:41,790
the major expenses, but we could provide a full list of what makes up that 13.6 million

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01:44:41,790 --> 01:44:42,390
if you'd like.

1201
01:44:42,810 --> 01:44:43,090
That's fine.

1202
01:44:43,210 --> 01:44:47,130
No, I just needed to make sure my math skills first.

1203
01:44:47,810 --> 01:44:49,310
It definitely does not end up yet.

1204
01:44:49,890 --> 01:44:50,590
Thanks, Dad.

1205
01:44:50,950 --> 01:44:52,210
Dad helped me with my math skills.

1206
01:44:52,330 --> 01:44:54,090
So I just want to make sure about that.

1207
01:44:54,510 --> 01:44:58,070
The second question I had is still on slide 21.

1208
01:44:58,990 --> 01:44:59,950
just if you could get

1209
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:07,040
I have a little bit more of a background to the NAPERS settlement feasibility study. The need for

1210
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:12,760
the study and what we hope the study will inform us about.

1211
01:45:13,180 --> 01:45:14,540
I think NAPERS settlement is here?

1212
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:15,860
Yeah, thank you.

1213
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:24,000
Ms. Calibrate.

1214
01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:27,420
Did you state your name and position for the record, please?

1215
01:45:27,780 --> 01:45:32,100
Absolutely. Rainer to my own calories. President and CEO of NAPERS settlement. Good afternoon.

1216
01:45:32,500 --> 01:45:34,660
And as always, it's always a pleasure to be with you.

1217
01:45:34,860 --> 01:45:35,660
Thank you.

1218
01:45:35,660 --> 01:45:40,360
The feasibility study is necessary for a few reasons.

1219
01:45:41,260 --> 01:45:44,680
There has been no long-range site plan for

1220
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:48,720
neighbor settlement for over 20 some years.

1221
01:45:49,500 --> 01:45:51,420
And as you might imagine, 20 some years.

1222
01:45:51,620 --> 01:45:54,900
It was set up mostly as a settlement village that was

1223
01:45:54,900 --> 01:45:58,040
telling the story of the 1800s.

1224
01:45:58,180 --> 01:46:00,140
And today it's neighborville.

1225
01:46:00,820 --> 01:46:04,680
And in addition to the changes that have happened over the course of the last 10 years,

1226
01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:24,700
All of those buildings which are part of the legacy that we have and are very important to who we are and what we have on site are being evaluated because we are looking to align ourselves with how we tell the full story of Naperville and the populations and the people that have lived here for almost 200 years.

1227
01:46:26,590 --> 01:46:38,850
And the 145,000 for the feasibility city like can you can you just elaborate on what you think that study will show or

1228
01:46:39,530 --> 01:46:42,850
Sure, what will be done for 145,000?

1229
01:46:43,270 --> 01:46:43,530
Sure.

1230
01:46:45,130 --> 01:46:51,370
That this feasibility study is based upon on already plan that has been put forth by the

1231
01:46:51,370 --> 01:46:59,510
a heritage society and that plan was value will actually higher than 150,000 and so based

1232
01:46:59,510 --> 01:47:06,610
on what was paid from the Naperville Heritage Society from the private side of this public

1233
01:47:06,610 --> 01:47:10,950
private partnership, one of the important things is really to look at the interpretive

1234
01:47:10,950 --> 01:47:17,430
plan and how do we tell the interpretive story, how do we interpret the story of the entirety

1235
01:47:17,430 --> 01:47:23,590
of the city and the rest of all of those 40 miles that make up the city.

1236
01:47:24,190 --> 01:47:30,470
So based on some of the results from that, what we are looking to do is really to tell

1237
01:47:30,470 --> 01:47:34,530
a much more full town and country story.

1238
01:47:35,350 --> 01:47:40,730
And in order to do that, there is, and it doesn't really necessarily mean that we will

1239
01:47:40,730 --> 01:47:45,550
fully move the buildings and it may not even be feasible to move the buildings.

1240
01:47:45,550 --> 01:47:52,270
but before we move forward, we need to know what we have underneath, what we have in terms of

1241
01:47:52,270 --> 01:47:57,510
the buildings structurally to see whether or not they can withstand a move, for example,

1242
01:47:58,090 --> 01:48:02,930
and then based on that, we can develop the interpretive plan that would go along with the rest of

1243
01:48:02,930 --> 01:48:12,530
the long-site plan. Oh, yeah, thank you. And I have one more question. That's regarding the cameras

1244
01:48:12,530 --> 01:48:15,970
that we hope to discuss more in detail in November.

1245
01:48:17,010 --> 01:48:25,660
I just wanted to clarify by approving the 5.1 million,

1246
01:48:28,460 --> 01:48:33,440
are we, are we, do we have room to make

1247
01:48:33,440 --> 01:48:36,580
different decisions after afterwards?

1248
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:40,300
I mean, like, does this, does this lock us in?

1249
01:48:40,300 --> 01:48:49,620
It absolutely does not. We plan on teaching that back up on November and, you know, we will do

1250
01:48:50,340 --> 01:48:53,420
Bacy is council director's. But no obligation.

1251
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:56,040
Okay, thank you.

1252
01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:56,800
I'll spend Wilson.

1253
01:48:59,780 --> 01:49:07,420
Thank you. As far as the transportation goes, is there any way we'd be able to, I just just from

1254
01:49:07,420 --> 01:49:16,320
feedback from the community and just sort of with projects all over the city this year as far

1255
01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:25,080
as a book wrote and I mean a lot of this is out of our control here you know 59 for various things

1256
01:49:25,080 --> 01:49:31,390
have happened Washington and I've done there's there any way to delay or push back some of these

1257
01:49:32,670 --> 01:49:42,030
projects here, you know, I don't know, the site, south, south, 40 site development at 130,

1258
01:49:43,570 --> 01:49:51,190
159, I can see that being just a sort of a major inconvenience for people, the almost

1259
01:49:51,190 --> 01:49:58,650
construction at 59 or, I mean, I don't know, the white oak roadway improvement wall, not

1260
01:49:58,650 --> 01:49:59,750
and a major...

1261
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:04,940
3, it's certainly a non-trivial amount of money.

1262
01:50:08,540 --> 01:50:15,520
We certainly do take into consideration the impacts over all across the city as we're planning out

1263
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:16,260
these projects.

1264
01:50:16,620 --> 01:50:21,360
And I know as Dr. Blundis mentioned, we have a coordination meeting with all of the

1265
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:23,260
electric water, public works.

1266
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:26,780
We try to make sure that we're closely coordinating all of our projects.

1267
01:50:26,980 --> 01:50:31,640
This year, I agree has not been a good look between the waterlink project as well as

1268
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:34,460
out 59 being under major construction by IDOT.

1269
01:50:35,460 --> 01:50:37,000
And then some of the other work going on.

1270
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:40,800
So I do understand that there's been a lot of impact, particularly south of 70th Street,

1271
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:42,960
for a lot of our motoring public.

1272
01:50:43,580 --> 01:50:45,760
In regards to some of these projects that you mentioned,

1273
01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:48,900
so we are actually already about to start.

1274
01:50:49,720 --> 01:50:52,260
Those improvements for the South 40 sites of Altman.

1275
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:55,820
So we've been in award those, awarded that project already.

1276
01:50:56,440 --> 01:51:00,720
That is adding some turn lanes into the lifetime.

1277
01:51:00,720 --> 01:51:05,680
and the government development. So I'd like to see that continue on. I think that's going to be

1278
01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:11,380
important for that project. 87th street bridge. I know a question came up about that recently.

1279
01:51:12,180 --> 01:51:16,460
You know, that is a critical bridge improvement, understanding the location of that is a little

1280
01:51:16,460 --> 01:51:21,100
concerning given the continuing work on the water link. But we do think that when we start that

1281
01:51:21,100 --> 01:51:25,920
project next year, once it goes to bed, I think we're assuming around January, with work starting

1282
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:30,720
next spring, that a lot of the current impacts being felt by the water link project will have

1283
01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:40,060
moved out of the area so we're less concerned. With that one, I agree White Oak is a short

1284
01:51:40,060 --> 01:51:45,220
stretch that will be mostly impactful to those residents there. We've had a lot of engagement with

1285
01:51:45,220 --> 01:51:51,380
those residents already and they're pretty excited about that. Project and seeing that upgrade. So

1286
01:51:51,380 --> 01:51:55,620
definitely understand and I think as we continue to plan out our projects and look at our broader

1287
01:51:55,620 --> 01:51:59,820
range, we'll definitely keep that in mind, but I think from a staff perspective, while we

1288
01:51:59,820 --> 01:52:03,820
may feel some feedback and some bumps with these things, we're fairly comfortable with

1289
01:52:03,820 --> 01:52:06,500
where we have most of these projects positioned right now.

1290
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:09,600
That's been white.

1291
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:11,200
Thank you.

1292
01:52:11,440 --> 01:52:14,320
Similar question to Councilwoman Jane.

1293
01:52:15,560 --> 01:52:19,660
I know you're only hitting the major projects up here, but I'm looking at the transportation

1294
01:52:19,660 --> 01:52:29,140
and 41 million, and what I'm seeing 75,000, okay, it's not 75,000, a lot of money, but

1295
01:52:29,140 --> 01:52:32,720
it doesn't seem to compute for 41 million.

1296
01:52:32,860 --> 01:52:38,420
In fact, it's like, what you're showing is less than half of what you're asking for.

1297
01:52:39,120 --> 01:52:43,680
Anything else you would want to mention that we would, we should know?

1298
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:49,920
You know, Tracy just flipped over to kind of like the other major projects.

1299
01:52:51,160 --> 01:52:54,520
We, and kind of much, I guess we have a couple of things here.

1300
01:52:55,160 --> 01:53:00,440
We try to highlight a project that is of importance to the community, obviously they're

1301
01:53:00,440 --> 01:53:00,940
all important.

1302
01:53:01,680 --> 01:53:07,240
Typically, those are the highest dollar projects, or, you know, in the case of, you know,

1303
01:53:07,380 --> 01:53:12,200
the target stop light, it's not a lot of money, but it's important to a lot of people

1304
01:53:12,200 --> 01:53:13,820
and has been topical.

1305
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:16,360
So we try to kind of pick and choose

1306
01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:19,720
what we think people want to talk about.

1307
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:21,580
We're certainly not trying to hide anything.

1308
01:53:21,820 --> 01:53:24,460
But we can give you the full entire listing

1309
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:26,060
before the next word job.

1310
01:53:26,540 --> 01:53:27,140
OK, thanks.

1311
01:53:27,460 --> 01:53:30,740
What's also not included here is the annual street maintenance,

1312
01:53:31,020 --> 01:53:34,140
which is $12 million, and that's just so routine.

1313
01:53:35,220 --> 01:53:36,440
But that would have come for a good chunk

1314
01:53:36,440 --> 01:53:37,560
of that that's not on the slides.

1315
01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:39,560
OK, and that's what I'm, yeah, that would be.

1316
01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:43,180
The MFT projects, that's probably not.

1317
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:44,660
We might have specific projects,

1318
01:53:44,860 --> 01:53:45,980
but still we're not the full plan.

1319
01:53:47,440 --> 01:53:48,680
Now, that answers my question.

1320
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:49,300
Thank you.

1321
01:53:49,540 --> 01:53:50,100
Councilwoman Gibson.

1322
01:53:51,300 --> 01:53:51,720
Thank you, Mayor.

1323
01:53:52,120 --> 01:53:55,900
I wanted to go back to the NAPER settlement feasibility study.

1324
01:53:56,700 --> 01:53:59,600
The 145K for this year,

1325
01:53:59,900 --> 01:54:04,560
and the NAPER settlement CIP, which is in the agenda for next week's

1326
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:06,200
settlement meeting.

1327
01:54:06,200 --> 01:54:10,700
There's an additional 223,000 for a feasibility study.

1328
01:54:11,180 --> 01:54:18,860
So we just speak, is that next year's expense necessary to make this year's expense useful?

1329
01:54:23,690 --> 01:54:25,770
I was in Calabre, so you want to come back?

1330
01:54:38,440 --> 01:54:44,080
The short answer, and if I need to introduce myself right now to my Calabre's for anaper settlement,

1331
01:54:44,940 --> 01:54:49,980
the short answer is we're not entirely sure what will be necessary in 2028.

1332
01:54:50,900 --> 01:54:58,720
And, of course, we will be back here to gain that approval and to have certain more certain numbers at the time.

1333
01:54:58,960 --> 01:54:59,960
And then, at that point, we...

1334
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:05,460
We can also make the calculations. You know, one of the things that the public private partnership

1335
01:55:06,460 --> 01:55:13,560
does very successfully is that it comes together and actually joins in the cost. And so, at

1336
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:18,240
this point, we're not certain what that cost will be. We know that a feasibility would study

1337
01:55:18,240 --> 01:55:23,600
will be two other things. And then, with that, the Heritage Society will come forward in terms

1338
01:55:24,540 --> 01:55:29,160
of what part it will contribute. And as I said previously, in the same way that it has

1339
01:55:29,160 --> 01:55:40,580
here. The big lift for this in order for us to be able to know what we want to study was done with the funding from the

1340
01:55:40,580 --> 01:55:41,880
April Heritage Society.

1341
01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:53,200
Okay, so the feasibility study is two separate studies, one for 145,000, and then in 28,

1342
01:55:53,600 --> 01:56:00,580
a second part of the feasibility study for 223,000, or it's a larger feasibility study for 372,000.

1343
01:56:00,580 --> 01:56:07,980
The feasibility study at this point doesn't include the entire 13 acres, and it doesn't include

1344
01:56:07,980 --> 01:56:13,480
the entirety of the long-range plan, part of what we're looking to do right now is to look

1345
01:56:13,480 --> 01:56:18,560
to see whether or not the pieces that we want to do that would be necessary in the beginning,

1346
01:56:18,740 --> 01:56:26,640
which is in the interpretive plan, are even feasible. So if we spent 145,000 this year,

1347
01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:29,860
And next year, we decided not to spend the additional 227.

1348
01:56:30,460 --> 01:56:32,960
Does that make the first 145,000 useless?

1349
01:56:34,280 --> 01:56:39,180
Absolutely. It will be, it will nonetheless be useful because we will then know how to pivot

1350
01:56:39,180 --> 01:56:42,680
the rest of the site and the rest of the study and the rest of the long range plan.

1351
01:56:43,120 --> 01:56:47,080
Okay, so even if this expense is just at 145,000, the next year is just for gone.

1352
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:54,320
I'm sorry. So, it just, I'm sorry, because I said useless and you said absolutely.

1353
01:56:54,320 --> 01:56:58,500
I just wanted to make sure we- Oh, I'm sorry. No no, useful. I thought you said useful.

1354
01:56:58,640 --> 01:57:04,900
I'm sorry. I'm still useful even if we don't allocate the 227 and then the following

1355
01:57:05,900 --> 01:57:13,420
600,000 for the design development. Will that be necessary as well? Or will this 145,000 still be useful without?

1356
01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:19,400
Well, the only the only way we would be spending that is if we see the feasibility study is something

1357
01:57:19,400 --> 01:57:21,640
that is necessary and then we would move forward

1358
01:57:21,640 --> 01:57:26,540
to build the actual full plan of that long range site plan.

1359
01:57:26,940 --> 01:57:28,540
Okay, and then I mean, okay.

1360
01:57:29,100 --> 01:57:32,220
And if you're looking at the very long range plan

1361
01:57:32,220 --> 01:57:35,860
of what we would feasibly consider,

1362
01:57:36,580 --> 01:57:37,860
it would include another building,

1363
01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:39,500
but at this point in time,

1364
01:57:40,120 --> 01:57:42,660
we don't, we're not even certain that we can do it

1365
01:57:42,660 --> 01:57:43,940
with what we have underneath.

1366
01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:47,180
So, okay, and do we know the shelf light

1367
01:57:47,180 --> 01:57:48,440
of feasibility plans?

1368
01:57:48,440 --> 01:57:49,240
I'm sorry.

1369
01:57:49,500 --> 01:57:51,380
Do we know the shelf life of these plans?

1370
01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:56,040
Say we do these plans and then decide it's a project we want to tackle in five years.

1371
01:57:56,240 --> 01:58:00,260
What we need to, you know, much like with a downtown parking garage, where we need to redo

1372
01:58:00,260 --> 01:58:03,320
them in five years if we decide to postpone the larger project?

1373
01:58:03,680 --> 01:58:08,360
I don't think that this part of what we're looking to fund would need to be re-done as I said.

1374
01:58:08,740 --> 01:58:12,960
Those buildings were put there at some 40, some years ago.

1375
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:21,900
And so knowing what is underneath and knowing the actual, let's say,

1376
01:58:22,360 --> 01:58:25,760
sturdiness of the structures, et cetera, is something that is necessary

1377
01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:27,480
any way long term.

1378
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:29,760
Okay, okay, thank you, that's really helpful.

1379
01:58:29,960 --> 01:58:34,200
And then just, you know, to staff, it feels to me like the feasibility study

1380
01:58:34,200 --> 01:58:36,000
is spread out over two years.

1381
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:40,960
So knowing that when we're looking at 145, it's kind of paired with an additional

1382
01:58:40,960 --> 01:58:44,720
about 227 in the following year would be helpful

1383
01:58:44,720 --> 01:58:46,880
when we're making the decisions on.

1384
01:58:48,280 --> 01:58:49,320
Thank you.

1385
01:58:51,020 --> 01:58:51,160
Thank you.

1386
01:58:51,160 --> 01:58:52,320
Councilman McBrume.

1387
01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:53,980
Thank you, Mayor.

1388
01:58:55,560 --> 01:58:58,000
Deputy Director of Morocco is

1389
01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:01,200
a possible to get a project by project breakdown.

1390
01:59:03,730 --> 01:59:06,510
And do you think that would be useful for us to see?

1391
01:59:07,430 --> 01:59:09,610
And I assume these numbers come from some spreadsheet

1392
01:59:09,610 --> 01:59:17,590
you have and maybe it's an overwhelming amount of information, but is that something that

1393
01:59:17,590 --> 01:59:18,090
Council could?

1394
01:59:18,150 --> 01:59:18,530
For sure.

1395
01:59:18,710 --> 01:59:22,370
We could, we're just kind of going off a prior year, it's just, we used to just provide

1396
01:59:22,370 --> 01:59:27,730
the highlights and in the full budget book that I'll be available on October 9th, we'll have

1397
01:59:27,730 --> 01:59:34,410
all the projects listed in that book towards the end and they all tie out to the categories

1398
01:59:34,410 --> 01:59:35,490
that you see here.

1399
01:59:36,010 --> 01:59:38,570
But, you know, for next year, for the capital workshop,

1400
01:59:38,730 --> 01:59:41,070
if we want to see the numbers tied out by category,

1401
01:59:42,230 --> 01:59:43,410
we could definitely do that as well.

1402
01:59:43,750 --> 01:59:45,650
And for the second and third workshops too,

1403
01:59:45,810 --> 01:59:46,650
if that's more helpful.

1404
01:59:46,910 --> 01:59:47,830
Okay. Yeah, the reason why I asked,

1405
01:59:47,950 --> 01:59:49,570
and going through this for several years now,

1406
01:59:49,930 --> 01:59:52,090
you know, the CIP sometimes can have

1407
01:59:52,090 --> 01:59:53,570
be hard for people to get their arms around

1408
01:59:53,570 --> 01:59:56,230
because it's not like the operating budget

1409
01:59:56,230 --> 01:59:58,250
where it's like we have to pay for these things.

1410
01:59:58,410 --> 01:59:59,550
It's meant to be flexible.

1411
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:28,640
And we may not spend all this money and we may go through an economic recession and have to, but you know, at the same time, you know, kind of go, like councilwoman Jane, councilman White, sometimes we look at these numbers and it's like, what am I missing here, you know, here's what we think is coming in and this is what we think we're going to spend it on and it sometimes seems like we're missing a lot of pieces here.

1412
02:00:29,460 --> 02:00:32,440
I'm going to count and I like to tie out the numbers two so I get it.

1413
02:00:32,460 --> 02:00:33,660
I like to make sure they all add up.

1414
02:00:33,720 --> 02:00:34,260
And is it correct?

1415
02:00:34,640 --> 02:00:38,460
There's 40 million or 50 million that's unfunded out of the two 11.

1416
02:00:39,100 --> 02:00:39,660
Is that right?

1417
02:00:41,640 --> 02:00:42,080
What was that?

1418
02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:47,120
Is there a portion of the capital of the CIP that's unfunded?

1419
02:00:47,340 --> 02:00:51,320
Like that we don't see revenue for, that we're going to have to borrow for.

1420
02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:55,420
That's where we have the issuance is plugged in for the utility funds.

1421
02:00:55,420 --> 02:01:05,400
we're still kind of finalizing the funding for capital projects, MFT, we let in the budget

1422
02:01:05,400 --> 02:01:09,940
book we will have when we finalize the numbers there is a cash balance summary, which

1423
02:01:09,940 --> 02:01:15,540
would show if we, you know, have any funding deficits there, that's provided every year.

1424
02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:16,280
Okay.

1425
02:01:16,340 --> 02:01:18,360
But we're still finalizing tweaking that.

1426
02:01:19,200 --> 02:01:19,700
Thank you.

1427
02:01:20,420 --> 02:01:21,760
That's been Wilson.

1428
02:01:24,460 --> 02:01:25,440
I hit the button again.

1429
02:01:26,160 --> 02:01:28,520
I'm trying to turn the microphone off.

1430
02:01:29,600 --> 02:01:31,740
Yeah, no, I guess the councilman at the groom's point.

1431
02:01:32,280 --> 02:01:34,660
I certainly appreciate it.

1432
02:01:34,660 --> 02:01:38,500
I guess to talk about the transportation point again.

1433
02:01:39,060 --> 02:01:40,660
I know the roadway improvements.

1434
02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:43,040
I guess I always forget about those until they happen.

1435
02:01:44,340 --> 02:01:48,180
But I certainly like to look at them more in detail.

1436
02:01:50,660 --> 02:01:57,060
just sort of to beat the dead horse, but I know it's complain about the roadways projects

1437
02:01:57,060 --> 02:02:03,260
in the past and we don't typically obviously get a whole lot of bids, should say obviously,

1438
02:02:03,440 --> 02:02:12,080
but we don't get many bids for them, but certainly to credit you guys, the roads here are much

1439
02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:20,760
better than other cities, but at the same time, if we could try to, you know, again, alleviate

1440
02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:23,640
some of the construction, especially this year or so.

1441
02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:24,800
Thank you.

1442
02:02:27,340 --> 02:02:29,100
That's all for the questions on this one.

1443
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:38,140
All right.

1444
02:02:38,440 --> 02:02:39,660
That would be back to be mayor.

1445
02:02:40,340 --> 02:02:46,840
Next up, Riverwalk, where we have 7.6 million in capital investment plan, of this amount,

1446
02:02:46,840 --> 02:02:52,800
About 6.8 million is being allocated to the South Extension and Hillside Gateway Projects.

1447
02:02:52,800 --> 02:02:58,460
Riverwark Foundation, as Mr. Kennedy noted, was able to secure external funding of roughly

1448
02:02:58,460 --> 02:03:00,260
1.5 million for the project.

1449
02:03:01,320 --> 02:03:05,580
Although the proposed budget includes a full 6.8 million dollars for the South Extension

1450
02:03:05,580 --> 02:03:12,000
and Hillside Gateway, the Commission has begun discussions with the Riverwark Consultant

1451
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:16,260
about what a reduced scope and associated costs may look like.

1452
02:03:17,140 --> 02:03:20,540
Mr. Kennedy said, you know, kind of originally, the thought was that

1453
02:03:20,540 --> 02:03:26,800
a self-extension, absent hillside would be about 3 million and they raised one and a half

1454
02:03:26,800 --> 02:03:32,060
and, you know, leaving the other million and a half of the city that numbers increase significantly.

1455
02:03:33,680 --> 02:03:38,940
So, ERA will be looking at that and presenting their results to the riverwalk consultant.

1456
02:03:39,720 --> 02:03:48,340
As a result of that in their recommendation, a revised estimate for this project could be put into the budget before coming back due for final approval.

1457
02:03:49,700 --> 02:03:55,520
The remaining $750,000 spread across the number of projects, completion of 430 South Washington,

1458
02:03:56,520 --> 02:04:03,700
Rift Replacement on Webster Street Cover Bridge and Replacement of Rory Hill Irrigation System.

1459
02:04:09,780 --> 02:04:16,680
Next up, Downtown Parking, kind of a busy slide provides a five-year view of the proposed

1460
02:04:16,680 --> 02:04:21,240
Downtown Capital Investments, which total approximately $6,2.1 million.

1461
02:04:22,960 --> 02:04:27,340
We'd like to move back to something that Councilman McBroom said, hey, you know what?

1462
02:04:27,460 --> 02:04:29,540
We haven't been talking about municipal debt.

1463
02:04:30,280 --> 02:04:33,520
First I heard about it was a month ago, that's absolutely correct.

1464
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:43,960
In last year's CIP, we had about 4 million in for FY 28 and 29.

1465
02:04:45,240 --> 02:04:50,520
When we looked at all of the downtown projects, it became apparent to say, hey, you

1466
02:04:50,520 --> 02:04:56,600
know what we can't have municipal center deck out at any time while the nickels parking

1467
02:04:56,600 --> 02:04:59,700
deck is going to be out or down.

1468
02:05:00,820 --> 02:05:14,920
So that's when kind of like the three big competing projects, streetscape, nickels deck, and city deck, that's when we kind of had to make the decision to say, all right, how can we sequence these?

1469
02:05:14,920 --> 02:05:24,080
You know, street scape plus city parking deck works, street scape plus nickels parking deck does not,

1470
02:05:24,700 --> 02:05:30,040
too much disruption, nickels parking deck plus municipal parking deck does not,

1471
02:05:30,340 --> 02:05:33,160
because taking too many slots out of service.

1472
02:05:34,420 --> 02:06:02,520
So we went, you know, through the exercise of sequencing these, we tried to minimize the kind of impact on the downtown, and, you know, looking at the three major ones, you know, putting the municipal center deck, and then the streetscape for Jefferson and Maine running those concurrently.

1473
02:06:02,520 --> 02:06:09,820
was able to knock those two out without having what we believe to be significant disruption

1474
02:06:09,820 --> 02:06:13,400
before moving on to the nickels parking deck.

1475
02:06:14,440 --> 02:06:18,940
We thought this would be a better opportunity to balance the impact of the work on downtown

1476
02:06:18,940 --> 02:06:25,740
businesses, residents, visitors, and also considering cash flow and capacity staff.

1477
02:06:27,080 --> 02:06:33,420
streetscape projects have already been underway, they have established momentum, and this

1478
02:06:33,420 --> 02:06:38,280
will allow us to continue that, at least along the Jefferson Peace, provide additional

1479
02:06:38,280 --> 02:06:43,820
time to evaluate the long-term downtown parking strategy and design of the Nichols Parking

1480
02:06:43,820 --> 02:06:47,900
Facility, which is a largest investment of these.

1481
02:06:48,400 --> 02:06:52,880
And the current proposed schedule for Nichols Tech would have concept design and engineering

1482
02:06:52,880 --> 02:06:59,380
taking place in 27 through 30 followed by approximately 36 million in construction, a

1483
02:06:59,380 --> 02:07:00,840
happening in 31 and 32.

1484
02:07:03,700 --> 02:07:07,380
You know, you might be wondering, you know, why would we go back

1485
02:07:07,380 --> 02:07:11,680
to look at design if we already have an approved concept? You know, as we spoke about this before,

1486
02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:18,660
you know, the updates to the old plan. We're very significant. I know there's been a lot of

1487
02:07:18,660 --> 02:07:24,440
about kind of shelf life of plans, and you can get a few years out of those, we approve

1488
02:07:24,440 --> 02:07:32,040
in that you can't get 19 years out of them, just because of the things that we don't

1489
02:07:32,040 --> 02:07:40,700
control such as international building code. From a parking standpoint, we also have additional

1490
02:07:40,700 --> 02:07:48,640
data that's being analyzed that can help with the downtown parking discussion. One, we

1491
02:07:48,640 --> 02:07:51,580
and survey show it a reasonable level of satisfaction.

1492
02:07:53,000 --> 02:08:00,000
Our Ted Group also conducted a separate parking downtown parking survey in July, and those

1493
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:03,740
results were going to be expected in October, November, and that's going to be another

1494
02:08:03,740 --> 02:08:07,040
important data point for our planning purposes.

1495
02:08:08,820 --> 02:08:12,200
We talked about the timing with this parking deck.

1496
02:08:12,860 --> 02:08:14,440
Why is it a little bit of a surprise?

1497
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:18,620
Well, because within the last month, it was moved up by

1498
02:08:18,620 --> 02:08:25,100
year and you know we usually talk about kind of the upcoming year. So I wanted to explain that.

1499
02:08:25,640 --> 02:08:33,520
You know temporarily temporarily closing spots here and on the south side of the river impact

1500
02:08:33,520 --> 02:08:40,660
what happens on the north as well as vice versa. So you know staff felt it best to do the Jefferson

1501
02:08:40,660 --> 02:08:43,100
streetscape alongside music, municipal,

1502
02:08:45,180 --> 02:08:48,660
and then pushing out nickels.

1503
02:08:50,420 --> 02:08:52,060
Let's see.

1504
02:08:52,720 --> 02:08:57,380
The other factor that we believe we can work out with this.

1505
02:08:57,800 --> 02:09:03,660
But certainly, if council would like us to do something different, we can absolutely

1506
02:09:03,660 --> 02:09:12,240
that is that this works with kind of like a staff timing and staff involvement as well trying to kind of spread that out.

1507
02:09:12,740 --> 02:09:17,440
You know, it wasn't our intended delay projects because we want to get them all done.

1508
02:09:18,820 --> 02:09:28,540
We just don't want to overburden the downtown and also, you know, city staff would do many projects at the same time.

1509
02:09:29,360 --> 02:09:34,700
Now, if that didn't completely confuse you, I was going to turn over to continue the discussion

1510
02:09:34,700 --> 02:09:40,020
and have Tracy talk about the actual funding of the downtown projects.

1511
02:09:43,800 --> 02:09:44,140
Thanks Doug.

1512
02:09:44,660 --> 02:09:49,500
This next slide shows how these proposed parking deck projects, just the parking deck projects

1513
02:09:49,500 --> 02:09:54,740
on the streetscape, are funded, and how those funds are allocated to be transparent.

1514
02:09:55,560 --> 02:09:59,520
In a few minutes, we will talk about the funding sources for downtown parking.

1515
02:09:59,520 --> 02:09:59,960
Oh

1516
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:05,160
Which includes terminal sales tax in the downtown food and beverage. The project shown here represents a

1517
02:10:05,160 --> 02:10:12,820
approximately $48.4 million in total costs between 2027 and 2032. Of that amount, approximately

1518
02:10:12,820 --> 02:10:19,340
$30.7 million is proposed to come from the downtown parking fund and $17.7 million from the capital

1519
02:10:19,340 --> 02:10:25,960
projects fund. Municipal Center deck rehabilitation is budgeted at $9 million. The proposed split is

1520
02:10:25,960 --> 02:10:33,520
50% downtown parking and 50% capital projects, which equates to $4.5 million dollars allocated to each fund.

1521
02:10:34,420 --> 02:10:40,400
The 5050 allocation reflects that city hall and a percentile library employees use this deck heavily during the week.

1522
02:10:41,300 --> 02:10:48,700
This allocation is staff's recommendation at this time when the project comes back to city council we can re-evaluate the proposed 5050 split.

1523
02:10:48,700 --> 02:10:57,080
For the nickels library parking facility, we propose allocating 2-3rds from the downtown parking fund and 1-3rd from the capital projects fund.

1524
02:10:57,760 --> 02:11:04,500
This equates to a $25.1 million from the downtown parking fund and $12.6 million from the capital projects fund.

1525
02:11:05,360 --> 02:11:13,580
Not included on this slide, but important to note is that the water street deck was constructed as part of the larger water street redevelopment.

1526
02:11:13,580 --> 02:11:17,980
The parking deck was funded through various sources, including water street tiff dollars,

1527
02:11:18,200 --> 02:11:21,360
downtown parking fund, as well as a public private partnership.

1528
02:11:23,060 --> 02:11:29,840
The downtown parking deck maintenance budget is budgeted, sorry, $1.7 million over the next several years.

1529
02:11:30,240 --> 02:11:35,200
The proposed allocation is also two thirds downtown parking and one-third capital projects,

1530
02:11:35,560 --> 02:11:40,000
which equates to an allocation of $1.1 million and $600,000 respectively.

1531
02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:46,880
The CIP also includes one elevator maintenance project for the parking deck at a cost of $40,000.

1532
02:11:47,840 --> 02:11:51,860
The proposed split is also two thirds downtown parking and one third capital projects.

1533
02:11:53,990 --> 02:11:55,930
And with that, we'll answer questions on this section.

1534
02:11:56,350 --> 02:11:57,450
Council, what else are?

1535
02:11:57,670 --> 02:11:58,310
Thank you, Mayor.

1536
02:11:58,950 --> 02:12:02,710
First of all, I'm going to ask Mr. Kennedy to come back up.

1537
02:12:03,190 --> 02:12:06,070
And Ms. LaClosha was hoping that you could put up his.

1538
02:12:06,770 --> 02:12:14,150
Actually, you know what I'm going to ask Doug if you could go back to the Riverwalk slide and then as soon as we get through that

1539
02:12:14,150 --> 02:12:16,270
I went into, I'm going to this for Kennedy slides.

1540
02:12:17,130 --> 02:12:33,770
Okay, so one thing I wanted to make sure is really clear is a few years ago there was a discussion of the private donations or outside donations being about half of a three million dollar spend on the trail.

1541
02:12:33,770 --> 02:12:44,190
One thing to be really clear about is that was the trail, what's being talked about here is two separate projects, which is a South Extension, the trail, and the hillside gateway.

1542
02:12:44,370 --> 02:12:51,050
So if you factor the gateway out of that, the Delta there's not nearly as extreme as it would seem.

1543
02:12:51,150 --> 02:12:57,310
So it didn't grow from 3 to 6.8 million. This is mixing an apple and an orange, and I see that director careers nodding.

1544
02:12:57,550 --> 02:13:00,690
So I just want to make sure that's out there.

1545
02:13:00,690 --> 02:13:05,650
Um, and then with that, I was hoping Miss Lakoshi could put up the slides, Mr. Kennedy.

1546
02:13:15,590 --> 02:13:15,630
All right.

1547
02:13:15,930 --> 02:13:18,390
And would you mind just flipping through, I think, uh,

1548
02:13:18,790 --> 02:13:20,750
thing Mr. Kennedy, you had slide one up there.

1549
02:13:20,930 --> 02:13:24,750
But I'm not sure if you got to click through any of them.

1550
02:13:25,530 --> 02:13:28,190
You know, just maybe three seconds, the slide would be good.

1551
02:13:34,740 --> 02:13:35,220
Yeah, sure.

1552
02:13:35,300 --> 02:13:35,780
Hello, everybody.

1553
02:13:35,980 --> 02:13:37,740
Thank you for, Ian, for the question.

1554
02:13:37,880 --> 02:13:39,280
And I really rushed through.

1555
02:13:39,380 --> 02:13:41,140
I felt the pressure of that three minutes.

1556
02:13:41,140 --> 02:13:45,760
So there's really, say, hello to everybody last time, but sure.

1557
02:13:46,360 --> 02:13:51,420
Yeah, so just as background, Pat was the chair of the Revok

1558
02:13:51,420 --> 02:13:55,120
Commission, great chair for a number of years.

1559
02:13:56,840 --> 02:14:01,460
I have been on the commission since the beginning of my time

1560
02:14:01,460 --> 02:14:02,520
as a council member.

1561
02:14:04,360 --> 02:14:07,280
And the concern I really want to bring up tonight

1562
02:14:07,280 --> 02:14:09,040
is with regard to process.

1563
02:14:12,040 --> 02:14:13,900
So, when, first of all, Mr. County,

1564
02:14:14,060 --> 02:14:17,720
when did this strip of land between,

1565
02:14:17,720 --> 02:14:21,780
Edward Hospital, roughly, and Dunkin Donuts,

1566
02:14:22,020 --> 02:14:24,820
like when did that become land for the River Walk?

1567
02:14:25,080 --> 02:14:26,860
Could you repeat that?

1568
02:14:27,520 --> 02:14:29,240
The boundary for the River Walk

1569
02:14:29,240 --> 02:14:31,560
to my understanding was extended in 2015.

1570
02:14:31,560 --> 02:14:40,700
Okay, so there's 25 numbers because when the planning for the start, right, and then can you flip to the slide that shows the the overhead view map?

1571
02:14:42,200 --> 02:14:47,200
Okay, so if you can see the dunk and donuts on the right side of that screen.

1572
02:14:47,900 --> 02:14:59,960
Okay, correct me from wrong, but dunk and invested funds in building a retaining wall with that riverwalk trail, you know, basically the city made them do that for the riverwalk, correct?

1573
02:15:00,210 --> 02:15:23,830
That's right. Okay. So just to be clear, we're not just talking about funds that Edward has invested in this, or that representative Yang Roar has secured for the city, but private businesses relying on the city's mandate also invested funds in this river walk extension. So I just want to make sure, you know, that is clear.

1574
02:15:24,910 --> 02:15:31,030
As far as process and you can correct me if I need it wrong at any of these dates, it's been a long time on this commission.

1575
02:15:31,670 --> 02:15:39,190
But in 2022 and 2023, our consultants, architects, civil engineers came together,

1576
02:15:39,890 --> 02:15:46,470
and we had months if not years of refinements to this map that came up with a spinal alignment.

1577
02:15:46,470 --> 02:15:55,810
And those refinements included making sure that the lighting was not placed in a way that would be

1578
02:15:55,810 --> 02:15:58,150
injurious to neighboring residences.

1579
02:15:58,950 --> 02:16:06,190
The rules governing the path, ADA accessibility was fixed several times.

1580
02:16:07,670 --> 02:16:13,810
There's a bike path, one thing to note here is this is a safety project, because currently

1581
02:16:13,810 --> 02:16:15,990
if you've walked this, I don't recommend it.

1582
02:16:15,990 --> 02:16:20,050
But if you walked this, you know, the sidewalk is right up against Washington Street.

1583
02:16:20,170 --> 02:16:26,410
You can literally feel cars oozing by if you're on a bike or a, you know, or walking.

1584
02:16:27,030 --> 02:16:31,770
There has been a fatality at Martin and Hills Ed Washington in the last 20 years.

1585
02:16:33,970 --> 02:16:37,810
So anyway, all of these things were discussed at Nazium, right?

1586
02:16:37,810 --> 02:16:40,470
For months and months and months and actually years.

1587
02:16:41,370 --> 02:16:45,950
And we finally landed on this proposal, which just incorporated the feedback of so many

1588
02:16:45,950 --> 02:16:55,730
residents and the project was ready to go in 23 with a bid in 24 and a build in 25.

1589
02:16:56,630 --> 02:17:05,530
It was bumped to 2024 then it was bumped to 2025 now bumped to the discussion that we're

1590
02:17:05,530 --> 02:17:14,590
having now and as you mentioned earlier Edward gave their $800,000 check with the understanding

1591
02:17:14,590 --> 02:17:19,390
that this gateway would open up in conjunction with the opening of their heart facility, which,

1592
02:17:19,730 --> 02:17:20,790
by the way, has passed.

1593
02:17:22,870 --> 02:17:28,950
And, um, uh, representatives in Green War, I called her office today, um, it was news to

1594
02:17:28,950 --> 02:17:34,050
her that we were talking about considering different plans, uh, for this path.

1595
02:17:34,390 --> 02:17:40,630
Um, I bring all this up to say a whole lot of stakeholders invested, really years in the development

1596
02:17:40,630 --> 02:17:49,110
of this path. I heard a comment, I think, director of career, senior manager of career said

1597
02:17:49,110 --> 02:17:54,510
that the commission is looking into other options to be clear. The last commission meeting

1598
02:17:54,510 --> 02:18:03,430
was on September the 8th, and this was not even on the table at that meeting. As late as August,

1599
02:18:03,570 --> 02:18:09,650
I had asked city staff, are there any potential cuts to the budget regarding Riverwalk answer

1600
02:18:09,650 --> 02:18:15,890
was no. Had we known this, the commission could have at least started discussions? So what

1601
02:18:15,890 --> 02:18:21,890
we're talking about when we're talking about going back to a engineering consultant that

1602
02:18:21,890 --> 02:18:28,610
spent years developing this to come to us in a month with some kind of proposed reduction

1603
02:18:29,590 --> 02:18:36,770
to shave off a million dollars is, in my opinion, scrapping the many, many, many pieces of input

1604
02:18:36,770 --> 02:18:38,130
that went into this.

1605
02:18:38,190 --> 02:18:40,050
And if this was going to be an issue,

1606
02:18:40,630 --> 02:18:43,550
this should have been raised, frankly, years ago.

1607
02:18:44,330 --> 02:18:46,790
And many objections, this project were raised.

1608
02:18:47,530 --> 02:18:51,310
And many of the criticisms of it were incorporated

1609
02:18:51,310 --> 02:18:52,710
in the final design.

1610
02:18:53,690 --> 02:18:58,450
So all of that to say, I think it's, well,

1611
02:18:58,610 --> 02:19:00,890
you're a civil engineer, so I'll ask you, Mr. Kennedy,

1612
02:19:01,010 --> 02:19:05,050
do you think it is realistic to think any kind of proposal

1613
02:19:05,050 --> 02:19:11,650
going to come back to us that's vetted in the next two months that's that's going to reduce the cost of this.

1614
02:19:12,970 --> 02:19:19,590
First, just for clarification for the record, Janet Ingwer's contribution was 800 in the hospital

1615
02:19:19,590 --> 02:19:28,010
was 700. We flipped those back and forth a little bit. Relative to the potential phasing of the project,

1616
02:19:28,590 --> 02:19:34,070
I'm all for having consultants. We have great consultants for the river walk and the commission

1617
02:19:34,070 --> 02:19:36,270
does a great job of looking at all the alternatives.

1618
02:19:37,630 --> 02:19:41,450
I'm, you know, as an engineer, I'm always all for looking at alternatives.

1619
02:19:42,390 --> 02:19:47,070
For this particular stretch, you could even, you know, visually look at it on the screen.

1620
02:19:47,230 --> 02:19:54,350
If the commitment is to connect the river walk at that point north of Hillside, bring it

1621
02:19:54,350 --> 02:19:58,350
under the bridge behind the Dunkin Donuts and connect it to the hospital.

1622
02:20:00,110 --> 02:20:10,390
That is, you can visually see, that's going to be 80% of the budget, if not, if not more. The basic infrastructure of putting a path and connecting it.

1623
02:20:10,690 --> 02:20:19,850
The cost of the amenities and benches and landscaping and those other things tend to be smaller portions of a project like this.

1624
02:20:19,850 --> 02:20:27,350
And, you know, so I personally feel like if we're going to follow through and have a project,

1625
02:20:28,290 --> 02:20:33,390
once you defer that and spread that over two years or three years or multiple phases,

1626
02:20:34,070 --> 02:20:38,570
we've already seen the impact that inflation can have on that, but now you're looking at multiple

1627
02:20:38,570 --> 02:20:46,170
mobilizations for smaller portions of that work. So I'm curious to see what comes back,

1628
02:20:46,170 --> 02:20:52,750
if there's phasing that, though that doesn't connect one end to the other and build half of it,

1629
02:20:53,230 --> 02:20:56,150
I don't really know that that fulfills the intent of the project.

1630
02:20:56,490 --> 02:21:05,230
I appreciate that and also I would add if it's, hey, let's cut the ADA accessibility

1631
02:21:05,870 --> 02:21:13,490
or let's cut the safety with the distance to Washington or let's no longer click to the hospital

1632
02:21:13,490 --> 02:21:17,770
or let's waste the improvements the dunk and did in reliance on the city.

1633
02:21:18,490 --> 02:21:20,810
I just don't see any of those as good options.

1634
02:21:21,130 --> 02:21:21,790
So thank you, Mayor.

1635
02:21:22,590 --> 02:21:23,070
I'm from Kelly.

1636
02:21:24,270 --> 02:21:24,750
Thank you, Mayor.

1637
02:21:25,910 --> 02:21:28,850
A couple of different topics I'd like to ask about and talk about.

1638
02:21:28,990 --> 02:21:32,710
I guess maybe I'll start with the river walks since we're on it right now.

1639
02:21:34,270 --> 02:21:35,350
A couple of questions.

1640
02:21:35,890 --> 02:21:37,690
One from Mr. Kennedy, one from staff.

1641
02:21:38,410 --> 02:21:42,330
When you spoke in public form, I think unless I'm concerned, I think I heard you say that we

1642
02:21:42,330 --> 02:21:49,550
are asking for the full project to move forward and I just want to know who is we. Are you on the commission still?

1643
02:21:49,810 --> 02:21:53,930
Is that just you? I'm not on the commission. Is that the royal weir?

1644
02:21:54,310 --> 02:21:57,310
It is mostly me. I'm part of a fundraising group.

1645
02:21:58,710 --> 02:22:00,530
I'll only speak on behalf of myself tonight.

1646
02:22:00,750 --> 02:22:02,050
Thank you for noticing that.

1647
02:22:02,110 --> 02:22:02,790
I just want to be sure.

1648
02:22:02,990 --> 02:22:04,550
And then for staff, I guess.

1649
02:22:04,670 --> 02:22:10,330
So what I heard from Councilman Holtzauer just now is that this was a potential...

1650
02:22:10,330 --> 02:22:31,930
Well, a variety of alternatives was not in front of the commission at their most recent meeting or it sounds like at any point, so where I'm trying to level said my head where did and I don't even see it on the slide, but in your presentation you mentioned the consultant potentially bringing back alternatives, who is it that asked for that to happen?

1651
02:22:31,930 --> 02:22:38,590
Yeah, Andy, probably will be able to better handle it, or Riverwalk, Ref.

1652
02:22:40,670 --> 02:22:41,210
Thanks, Mike.

1653
02:22:41,730 --> 02:22:41,830
Sure.

1654
02:22:42,710 --> 02:22:48,430
The project right now is as budgeted as for the full improvement in the CIP.

1655
02:22:49,190 --> 02:22:55,270
There's been some discussions with the commission chair just about the cost of the project.

1656
02:22:55,930 --> 02:23:04,230
And then, you know, intense phase of the engineering over the last couple of months, and, you know, the most recent estimate that we got was about

1657
02:23:04,230 --> 02:23:14,290
a million dollars more than what the current budget is mostly due to some of the structural men's being more substantial than where I originally anticipated.

1658
02:23:14,570 --> 02:23:23,230
So I think that just burdened the discussion about, you know, what the, you know, right approaches and how we should move forward.

1659
02:23:23,230 --> 02:23:31,830
So, as of right now, the full amount for the entire project is included in the budget, and

1660
02:23:31,830 --> 02:23:36,890
the intent was that we would move forward to bid the project in the next month or two.

1661
02:23:39,210 --> 02:23:43,490
I think that answers it other than I heard that there's been some discussion with the chair.

1662
02:23:43,870 --> 02:23:49,470
Sorry, I guess what I'm maybe my last question for now is, has the commission or advisory

1663
02:23:49,470 --> 02:23:56,130
commission as a body if they take in any sort of a vote to either recommend that we do

1664
02:23:56,130 --> 02:24:02,410
the full project or that we should seek alternatives or I guess where are they as a commission?

1665
02:24:03,250 --> 02:24:03,990
It's clear.

1666
02:24:05,170 --> 02:24:12,850
Yeah, and Deputy Director Heinz, if I help me out with this, I don't believe that a commission

1667
02:24:12,850 --> 02:24:23,290
And as a whole, to look at any votes to kind of look at the options, I don't know if

1668
02:24:23,290 --> 02:24:29,650
at their last meeting they said, hey, I don't know if they took a vote to say, hey,

1669
02:24:29,690 --> 02:24:33,210
we should put the whole 6.8 million forward, but you might know better.

1670
02:24:33,870 --> 02:24:37,870
Now, is this point the commission has not reviewed any other options?

1671
02:24:38,270 --> 02:24:42,730
We did ask the consultant to take a look at that, and so we would bring that to an upcoming

1672
02:24:42,730 --> 02:24:49,210
commission meeting to get the commission's feedback and we'll then happen before

1673
02:24:49,210 --> 02:24:53,090
like I guess I'm trying to figure out how this is going to play out for us then

1674
02:24:53,090 --> 02:24:57,650
is this going to be part of the decision-making matrix that works up three and we'll have

1675
02:24:57,650 --> 02:24:59,970
input from the commission between now and then or

1676
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:04,160
Or what is your plan and what we're going to do with this?

1677
02:25:05,040 --> 02:25:14,940
Yeah, I don't know if ERA is going to be done with their analysis. No, you thought they would be

1678
02:25:14,940 --> 02:25:23,820
done prior to workshop 3, but I mean, as a stance right now, we have the full 6.8 million in the budget.

1679
02:25:24,620 --> 02:25:32,040
Okay, okay, and then if I could may or on a different topic, so some questions and thoughts

1680
02:25:32,040 --> 02:25:37,780
on the Nichols Library deck, and there's some discussion early on in public form, and

1681
02:25:37,780 --> 02:25:43,280
I'd like to may or I kind of held my thoughts, I want to see what ZF had to say in this chart,

1682
02:25:43,400 --> 02:25:48,960
which was helpful to see how everything's kind of fitting together, you know, it's interesting.

1683
02:25:49,200 --> 02:25:52,900
That's a much larger project now than the streetscape, so only a few years ago, the streetscape

1684
02:25:52,900 --> 02:26:02,100
We're kind of the monster project and the question was whether we would do them or not and when and I'm glad that we have and that we're still going to finish up on those.

1685
02:26:02,260 --> 02:26:17,960
So I think we certainly are certainly are investing a significant amount of money in the downtown through through the streetscapes and now our municipal deck for me the question on the nickel stack is less about the timing and more whether we should do it or not.

1686
02:26:17,960 --> 02:26:23,940
And I heard mostly positive feedback I guess from Council during public forum, but for what

1687
02:26:23,940 --> 02:26:29,780
it's worth I'll give maybe the contrary and view on it, and I'll do that saying that I've

1688
02:26:29,780 --> 02:26:34,020
been the liaison on deck for the whole time I've been on Council, and they've been talking about

1689
02:26:34,020 --> 02:26:39,020
this deck for pretty much the whole time I've been on Council for many years now, and I've

1690
02:26:39,400 --> 02:26:44,280
heard the pleas for it from the business owners and the private owners, and I understand it

1691
02:26:44,280 --> 02:26:48,400
certainly, and I'm sensitive to those requests.

1692
02:26:49,560 --> 02:26:52,220
My thought is for, and I've got a lot of thoughts on it,

1693
02:26:52,280 --> 02:26:56,220
but my overarching thought is for almost a $40 million project.

1694
02:26:57,520 --> 02:27:00,940
It really should be something that we decide one way or the other

1695
02:27:00,940 --> 02:27:04,520
based on the data and the real need of it.

1696
02:27:04,920 --> 02:27:09,100
And Mr. Krieger mentioned that we've got one data,

1697
02:27:09,160 --> 02:27:11,620
but really only one data point so far I would argue,

1698
02:27:11,620 --> 02:27:17,160
which is a city survey that came in with, I believe it was 12%,

1699
02:27:17,180 --> 02:27:20,700
said it was poor, and 88% said it was better,

1700
02:27:20,800 --> 02:27:22,480
either excellent good or fair.

1701
02:27:22,660 --> 02:27:23,900
I think we're the three other categories.

1702
02:27:24,860 --> 02:27:28,400
So when you've got 88% saying it's,

1703
02:27:28,400 --> 02:27:32,180
I would argue, okay, at least, if not better than that,

1704
02:27:33,260 --> 02:27:37,300
to invest 37 million that seems like an awful lot,

1705
02:27:38,280 --> 02:27:41,280
I'll say just from one you walk around town,

1706
02:27:41,280 --> 02:27:47,460
I really never see the decks that we've already got being full, but that's just visual, not

1707
02:27:47,460 --> 02:27:48,140
data, right?

1708
02:27:48,320 --> 02:27:51,240
I'm very curious to see what staffs data will show.

1709
02:27:51,640 --> 02:27:56,220
I've been told, and it was just mentioned earlier that we're going to have some actual

1710
02:27:56,220 --> 02:28:00,400
data and information regarding the usage rates on the decks that we have.

1711
02:28:01,040 --> 02:28:08,320
For one, I'll be very surprised if it shows that they're ever full, even on the busiest days.

1712
02:28:08,320 --> 02:28:12,520
I just don't think that they are, and I think that's for a few reasons.

1713
02:28:12,520 --> 02:28:16,320
One, I'm just not sure there's the need, and two people don't love parking in decks.

1714
02:28:16,620 --> 02:28:17,940
I think we hear that all the time.

1715
02:28:18,100 --> 02:28:23,000
I think that's one reason the nickel's lot is as popular as it is right now.

1716
02:28:23,100 --> 02:28:25,120
And so hard to get a spot, because people will circle.

1717
02:28:25,260 --> 02:28:31,820
We all hear people circle for the surface flat parking spaces, and don't want to go to the top levels of the decks.

1718
02:28:32,520 --> 02:28:37,580
So to replace it with a deck, I just don't really see it.

1719
02:28:37,580 --> 02:28:42,800
But what we've heard is that there's a need, but we've also heard that downtown visitors

1720
02:28:42,800 --> 02:28:47,280
are at the most they've ever been, over the past few years, it continues to grow and grow.

1721
02:28:47,940 --> 02:28:51,360
It certainly doesn't seem like parking has been an impediment to that.

1722
02:28:51,740 --> 02:28:54,540
Our food and beverage taxes continue to grow.

1723
02:28:55,700 --> 02:29:01,800
And when we think about the future, I just don't know that I see trying to make downtown

1724
02:29:01,800 --> 02:29:10,100
a more car centric area as what we necessarily want to be doing and how we've grown but

1725
02:29:10,100 --> 02:29:15,180
the parking satisfaction is higher than it used to be is kind of an open question but one

1726
02:29:15,180 --> 02:29:19,640
thought and it's just a thought but you know we approved happy hour to come back to Naperville

1727
02:29:19,640 --> 02:29:25,600
and hurt on the basis that we've got much more right share and maybe that's a piece of this is

1728
02:29:25,600 --> 02:29:30,740
that you've got more right share, more car pulling, more walking biking, there may not be

1729
02:29:30,740 --> 02:29:34,380
I think, hey, we're downtown, suburban destination.

1730
02:29:34,520 --> 02:29:36,580
There's always going to be people that want to drive here.

1731
02:29:36,760 --> 02:29:41,840
Obviously, cars aren't going the way, but directionally it seems like people are driving

1732
02:29:41,840 --> 02:29:46,980
and parking a car on their own less than they used to be.

1733
02:29:47,980 --> 02:29:52,980
So I'm just not there on this, especially considering the costs and granted it continues to

1734
02:29:52,980 --> 02:29:57,240
go up if people are committed to wanting to do it, then sure, probably should be done sooner

1735
02:29:57,240 --> 02:29:59,820
rather than later, because it will cost less.

1736
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,760
And for what it's worth if a majority council wants to do it, I hope that you do it in the way that, as visually pleasing as it could be done, I would not support, let's scale it back or make it taller, get rid of the pocket part, because it might save some money. I would say if we're going to do it, we should do it right. I, for one, would say yes, include the pocket part, include the bells and whistles on the outside, make it look nice. Because that is a concern I have to that you're really going to change your character in the downtown. If you build this, in my opinion, not for the better.

1737
02:30:31,560 --> 02:30:40,740
So that's my position, I just don't think the need has been proven and so to just kind of go along with it because it's been a part of a discussion for a long time for $40 million.

1738
02:30:41,380 --> 02:30:45,240
If we don't need it, I'm just not there.

1739
02:30:45,560 --> 02:30:51,960
And so my question I guess is process wise, what a staff you for this will this be a decision.

1740
02:30:52,820 --> 02:30:59,120
Matrix at the final budget workshop is it's going to be a standalone agenda item at some point.

1741
02:30:59,120 --> 02:31:05,380
I would argue we haven't really had a full presentation from staff and if and when we do

1742
02:31:05,380 --> 02:31:09,480
it should certainly include that data, that staff is accumulating, so I mean is that

1743
02:31:09,480 --> 02:31:14,820
going to be an agenda item before the budget might get approved or in the next year.

1744
02:31:15,000 --> 02:31:19,060
I mean there's only 100,000, but I also think it would be helpful for both the business

1745
02:31:19,060 --> 02:31:21,980
community and residents to know if we're going to do this or not.

1746
02:31:22,740 --> 02:31:27,540
For me, I wouldn't even want to do 100,000 to be honest if we weren't going to do it.

1747
02:31:27,540 --> 02:31:30,060
if the Council is committed to doing it, then fine.

1748
02:31:30,740 --> 02:31:33,520
But I don't want to just keep dragging it out and say, well,

1749
02:31:33,540 --> 02:31:34,940
we'll talk about it in five years.

1750
02:31:35,140 --> 02:31:36,380
We'll do a hundred thousand now.

1751
02:31:36,840 --> 02:31:39,000
I think at some point some Council's got to decide

1752
02:31:39,000 --> 02:31:41,220
whether we're going to do this big picture-wise or not.

1753
02:31:41,420 --> 02:31:43,140
But I don't know what your plan is for the near-term

1754
02:31:43,140 --> 02:31:44,280
if we're going to make that decision.

1755
02:31:49,010 --> 02:31:53,690
So we won't have the results of the data collection

1756
02:31:53,690 --> 02:31:56,190
that we completed in July ready as part

1757
02:31:56,190 --> 02:31:58,970
of this budget process in order to present that.

1758
02:31:59,570 --> 02:32:04,090
I would anticipate that that's going to be coming, you know, kind of after we have our next workshop.

1759
02:32:04,830 --> 02:32:14,010
So, you know, we're targeting October, it might be November, it's including development projections, customer service data, as well as our parking occupancy data.

1760
02:32:14,010 --> 02:32:20,130
So, it's a lot to pull together, and in the past we've brought a pretty substantial report.

1761
02:32:20,270 --> 02:32:27,170
I think from the last time we actually brought a full report was in 2015 and I actually don't think we've brought it until around January or November or the following year.

1762
02:32:27,170 --> 02:32:29,830
So we definitely are trying to get this one to you faster.

1763
02:32:30,070 --> 02:32:34,190
I think a couple of kind of key points with the schedule

1764
02:32:34,190 --> 02:32:36,310
that we have, we are deep in the design

1765
02:32:36,310 --> 02:32:39,610
on the Jefferson streetscape with the intent of constructing it.

1766
02:32:39,690 --> 02:32:41,650
Next year, that hasn't changed.

1767
02:32:43,130 --> 02:32:46,010
I think public works is well on the way to getting ready

1768
02:32:46,010 --> 02:32:49,170
for the Municipal Center, Zachary Habs.

1769
02:32:49,350 --> 02:32:51,570
So I think there are pieces of this plan that

1770
02:32:53,230 --> 02:32:55,430
and move forward as planned.

1771
02:32:55,870 --> 02:32:59,390
And then, as we refine the conversation around the Nichols

1772
02:32:59,390 --> 02:33:00,690
Daccan, as we hear more feedback,

1773
02:33:00,690 --> 02:33:04,150
and we bring this data point, I think we can refine the decision

1774
02:33:04,150 --> 02:33:06,330
as it relates to the future phases of streetscape,

1775
02:33:06,450 --> 02:33:08,410
being Chicago and Jackson.

1776
02:33:10,110 --> 02:33:13,250
So I think as Doug mentioned, we're here to hear the feedback

1777
02:33:13,250 --> 02:33:16,530
on this, and we can kind of work through the discussion

1778
02:33:16,530 --> 02:33:18,990
on how we sequence those, but I think as far as the municipal

1779
02:33:18,990 --> 02:33:24,230
second, Jefferson Street, scapegoals, those are going to be pretty ready to go for construction

1780
02:33:24,230 --> 02:33:25,190
for next year.

1781
02:33:25,650 --> 02:33:31,770
So my last song, if I could, I would really ask that we get that data and I would suggest

1782
02:33:31,770 --> 02:33:36,390
it should be a council meeting agenda item where the public would be aware and it's not

1783
02:33:36,390 --> 02:33:40,470
just something as part of the budget process that we're just going to say 40 million is approved

1784
02:33:40,470 --> 02:33:42,410
by a show of hands and a workshop.

1785
02:33:43,150 --> 02:33:48,370
I think we should have that data, have a full meeting, have the neighborhood aware, have

1786
02:33:48,370 --> 02:33:52,330
everybody come to a meeting and really discuss it before any final decisions made.

1787
02:33:53,330 --> 02:33:54,410
Thank you, Councilwoman Jane.

1788
02:33:55,010 --> 02:33:55,590
Thank you, Mayor.

1789
02:33:57,270 --> 02:34:00,970
I won't become, I too will be talking about the parking decks.

1790
02:34:01,310 --> 02:34:05,310
Not making any comments in general about where I stand.

1791
02:34:05,910 --> 02:34:13,990
But I do agree with Councilman Kelly on data being important and helping us make these decisions.

1792
02:34:13,990 --> 02:34:24,630
And so I do appreciate Mr. Krieger, your reasoning behind the shift in the timeline and the projects that you propose.

1793
02:34:26,450 --> 02:34:35,650
I would like to also see the results of that survey before we make any decisions, including the municipal center deck.

1794
02:34:35,650 --> 02:34:58,450
For me, I guess you may have spoken to this earlier, but if you could clarify the urgency or if their structural needs that need to be attended to right away or is this something that could be delayed, if you could just speak to that.

1795
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:19,620
I love to look for Mr. Randolph to see. If I miss speak, you know, last year we had it slated in for 2028, 2029, I do not believe anything, has changed to make it more urgent, kind of the acceleration of that by one year was really just part of the coordination.

1796
02:35:19,620 --> 02:35:27,120
So if it, I mean if it pushed one year, assuming that wouldn't be a big issue, I'm guessing

1797
02:35:27,120 --> 02:35:30,960
we could probably push two, but probably wouldn't want to go beyond that.

1798
02:35:31,280 --> 02:35:31,860
Is that fair?

1799
02:35:35,380 --> 02:35:40,840
I would want to consult the structural report before I provide feedback on that.

1800
02:35:41,360 --> 02:35:47,460
In my experience, you don't want to put off maintenance to waterproofing membranes on

1801
02:35:47,460 --> 02:35:49,280
a structural debt.

1802
02:35:50,820 --> 02:36:07,880
But, yes, if it was slated for 28, 29 and we are accelerating it for logistical reasons or, you know, then that's a real consideration, but I will have an information for the council.

1803
02:36:07,880 --> 02:36:11,120
So, yeah, thank you.

1804
02:36:12,840 --> 02:36:13,800
Councilman Maybroum.

1805
02:36:14,380 --> 02:36:14,860
Thank you, Mayor.

1806
02:36:16,380 --> 02:36:19,040
Don't quickly back just briefly back to the Riverwalk.

1807
02:36:19,420 --> 02:36:21,300
Appreciate Councilman Kelly's questions.

1808
02:36:21,460 --> 02:36:22,200
I was a little confused.

1809
02:36:22,320 --> 02:36:23,820
I'm what we were talking about.

1810
02:36:24,520 --> 02:36:27,360
Just for my own clarity, director Heinz,

1811
02:36:28,340 --> 02:36:32,440
the full projects in the CIP budget.

1812
02:36:33,420 --> 02:36:36,680
What's the concern that we're talking about here that we think that

1813
02:36:36,680 --> 02:36:43,800
bid may come in higher than what we're budgeting for and it's a buy a million dollars, or is that what we're talking about?

1814
02:36:44,420 --> 02:36:53,640
Yeah, so the final design, you know, the latest cost estimate is more than what we budgeted for, so I think the question was, you know, do we need to look at other options?

1815
02:36:54,500 --> 02:36:55,620
Buy a million dollars.

1816
02:36:55,880 --> 02:36:56,840
Approximately yes.

1817
02:36:57,340 --> 02:36:57,500
Okay.

1818
02:36:58,400 --> 02:36:59,820
Doesn't seem insurmountable.

1819
02:37:00,740 --> 02:37:02,320
But, okay.

1820
02:37:03,500 --> 02:37:04,380
Thank you for that.

1821
02:37:04,380 --> 02:37:11,900
As far as the parking deck goes, I agree with the Councilman Kelly on the transparency and the data.

1822
02:37:12,620 --> 02:37:19,500
I guess the calendar to the need, I have seen a lot of data from DNA and Chamber of Commerce.

1823
02:37:20,620 --> 02:37:28,120
And I think it's, you know, the people that these business owners want in those parking spots aren't necessarily necessarily in our

1824
02:37:28,120 --> 02:37:35,720
available survey. They don't live here. And I look at it as what 380, 400 new shoppers.

1825
02:37:37,460 --> 02:37:43,980
And I just think we should keep that in mind. You know, it is very expensive to run a city.

1826
02:37:44,760 --> 02:37:56,440
And in order to keep that property tax levy low comparatively to our other communities, we need economic activity.

1827
02:37:56,440 --> 02:38:06,620
We need economic growth and so I understand fully why these downtown business owners want an avenue to get more vehicles downtown

1828
02:38:08,080 --> 02:38:13,880
But I think I think you're a hundred percent right. I'd like to see a staff recommendation

1829
02:38:15,240 --> 02:38:16,520
You know

1830
02:38:16,520 --> 02:38:22,060
You take guidance from us and we kind of push you in different directions on on the budget

1831
02:38:22,060 --> 02:38:27,060
But $40 million spend getting data and getting a staff recommendation on it.

1832
02:38:27,280 --> 02:38:32,420
I think, and having a public form and notifying the public and getting more feedback.

1833
02:38:32,680 --> 02:38:34,800
I mean, it's not a small thing.

1834
02:38:35,480 --> 02:38:42,920
My last concern would be, you know, and along the lines of the $100,000, we can say $100,000 is meaningless.

1835
02:38:43,140 --> 02:38:47,600
But I was kind of the same way when we first started talking about this when I thought that the engineering plans,

1836
02:38:48,240 --> 02:38:53,460
million and a half bucks that we don't just throw that in the CIP and thus we're really

1837
02:38:53,460 --> 02:38:58,000
serious about doing that. We should probably treat a hundred thousand dollars like that as

1838
02:38:58,000 --> 02:39:03,760
well. Now a lot of us might not be here about the time we get to two thousand thirty one and to

1839
02:39:03,760 --> 02:39:11,400
vote on it but you know so and lastly since I've been sitting up here I've kind of seen maybe a

1840
02:39:11,400 --> 02:39:20,780
during theme a little bit, where we've had extensive permit delays, we've looked at opportunities

1841
02:39:20,780 --> 02:39:27,220
like Fifth Avenue, having to be pushed off, and I'm starting to feel like, and this is

1842
02:39:27,220 --> 02:39:28,160
nothing against staff.

1843
02:39:28,300 --> 02:39:32,360
I think that you guys are doing a great job, but I think your job is mostly reactionary, and

1844
02:39:32,360 --> 02:39:36,880
it's preventing anyone from really taking the time or having the ability to do any forward

1845
02:39:36,880 --> 02:39:43,120
looking, and so I think about things like being told that we can't pursue a fifth avenue

1846
02:39:43,120 --> 02:39:49,360
development, hundreds of millions of dollars of development, and then I look at this timeline

1847
02:39:49,360 --> 02:39:53,820
and say, well, if you're going to do a parking deck in 2030 and we start talking about fifth

1848
02:39:53,820 --> 02:39:59,960
we're going to be told we can't do that, so, you know, I think council when we get to

1849
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:24,440
I think that our planning and engineering is probably at capacity, and I don't think they're able to tackle multiple projects, and I think we're seeing some of that in the CIP, and so I'm going to be supporting whatever it takes to get our planning department, the resources they need to be able to take advantage of investment opportunities for us.

1850
02:40:24,440 --> 02:40:26,780
So, Councilman Wilson?

1851
02:40:27,940 --> 02:40:28,660
Thank you, Mayor.

1852
02:40:29,860 --> 02:40:32,220
Didn't turn off the microphone this time.

1853
02:40:33,980 --> 02:40:37,480
I guess similar thoughts and thank you, Councilman.

1854
02:40:37,520 --> 02:40:42,080
Holds our for the background on the riverwalk.

1855
02:40:42,260 --> 02:40:45,740
Some of which, I guess I wasn't aware of,

1856
02:40:45,900 --> 02:40:47,460
or had needed to be reminded by it.

1857
02:40:48,960 --> 02:40:57,320
But I guess similar to getting data for the nickels library parking deck, I mean, maybe

1858
02:40:57,320 --> 02:41:01,180
this is just a counterfactual, but I would be curious if it, I don't know, I get

1859
02:41:01,180 --> 02:41:12,340
possible to see how much utilization that small stretch of, I guess, the block would actually

1860
02:41:12,340 --> 02:41:13,640
be used.

1861
02:41:14,540 --> 02:41:14,860
I don't know.

1862
02:41:14,940 --> 02:41:17,440
To me, it's just, and again, I guess, kind of,

1863
02:41:17,440 --> 02:41:22,820
going back here to the theme of, you know, delaying things longer is going to increase the cost.

1864
02:41:24,320 --> 02:41:35,350
But, um, at the same time, just six, seven million dollars for, um, small piece of, uh, land,

1865
02:41:35,650 --> 02:41:43,350
when I'm not entirely sure how much it would be utilized, is expensive to me, um, I mean, you know,

1866
02:41:43,350 --> 02:41:50,150
But whereas you can argue that the parking deck at the nickels library, you can make a very

1867
02:41:50,150 --> 02:41:57,110
good argument that it would bring in more people to downtown businesses, which is certainly

1868
02:41:57,110 --> 02:42:04,170
the downtown business community's argument would bring in more revenue, which would certainly

1869
02:42:04,170 --> 02:42:04,950
be appealing.

1870
02:42:05,430 --> 02:42:11,010
I guess kind of the councilman Kelly's point, I would be interested though in having like, I don't

1871
02:42:11,010 --> 02:42:17,090
what that would look like as far as like a public hearing or because it does seem like some

1872
02:42:17,090 --> 02:42:23,610
of these projects like this would like, you know, a few years down the line, the public ends

1873
02:42:23,610 --> 02:42:28,530
up getting developed and then the public is like, oh, this is almost 40 million dollars

1874
02:42:28,530 --> 02:42:34,930
in there like, I didn't even know about it. So I don't know, to that point, I would be interested

1875
02:42:34,930 --> 02:42:36,930
and seeing feedback like that.

1876
02:42:37,130 --> 02:42:39,190
So, thank you.

1877
02:42:39,590 --> 02:42:41,470
Mr. Krieger, I'm going to start with just a couple of questions

1878
02:42:41,470 --> 02:42:44,990
about the history of the River Walk in this particular extension.

1879
02:42:45,990 --> 02:42:48,930
You've been around for this entire discussion going back

1880
02:42:48,930 --> 02:42:51,550
to 2015, I believe, when it first started.

1881
02:42:52,290 --> 02:42:57,450
Was it your understanding that there was some sort of fundraising

1882
02:42:58,550 --> 02:43:00,490
expectation from the River Walk Foundation

1883
02:43:01,330 --> 02:43:03,910
and the city would do a match or what

1884
02:43:03,910 --> 02:43:04,910
what's your recollection?

1885
02:43:05,850 --> 02:43:07,610
And, you know, thank you for the question.

1886
02:43:08,290 --> 02:43:14,330
You will not find anything in writing and, you know, Mr. Kennedy may be able to add on

1887
02:43:14,330 --> 02:43:20,190
as well, you know, so there were no, there are no formal commitments or obligations.

1888
02:43:20,850 --> 02:43:26,190
My understanding, at least with the South Extension, and thank you for clarifying, you

1889
02:43:26,190 --> 02:43:30,710
know, you know, it didn't double in value, that includes both the Healthside Gateway as

1890
02:43:30,710 --> 02:43:30,950
well.

1891
02:43:30,950 --> 02:43:37,790
you know, it certainly wasn't my intention to show that and it goes back, I don't know, maybe

1892
02:43:37,790 --> 02:43:42,410
probably like the full 10 years where we think, hey, you know, we think this was about 3 million

1893
02:43:43,490 --> 02:43:50,310
and, you know, foundation was created, said, hey, all right, you know, I don't think they stopped

1894
02:43:50,310 --> 02:43:57,210
at the 1.5, I think it was just the hey, we hit the 1.5, you know, you add hillside gateway in,

1895
02:43:57,210 --> 02:44:02,310
that increased costs, you know, as Deputy Director Heinz mentioned,

1896
02:44:02,330 --> 02:44:05,250
you know, increasing the size of some of the structural elements

1897
02:44:05,250 --> 02:44:07,690
that increased costs, costs are always getting increased.

1898
02:44:08,130 --> 02:44:10,530
That's, you know, that's not anybody's fault.

1899
02:44:11,110 --> 02:44:13,930
That's just kind of the way it has been going.

1900
02:44:15,570 --> 02:44:21,730
But, you know, I think the informal original thought was kind of like a 50-50 deal,

1901
02:44:22,930 --> 02:44:25,590
but you're not going to find that in writing anywhere.

1902
02:44:25,590 --> 02:44:28,030
I don't know was that consistent.

1903
02:44:29,410 --> 02:44:29,790
Mr. Kennedy?

1904
02:44:33,950 --> 02:44:34,130
Yes.

1905
02:44:34,250 --> 02:44:34,950
Thank you.

1906
02:44:35,270 --> 02:44:35,490
Yeah.

1907
02:44:35,750 --> 02:44:37,470
I'd say that was the intention.

1908
02:44:38,170 --> 02:44:44,430
And so now we are a fundraising group within the Neighborville River Walk Foundation.

1909
02:44:44,730 --> 02:44:47,150
And we have been actively working.

1910
02:44:47,190 --> 02:44:52,650
If you look back at the projects that have been accomplished through the Master Plan,

1911
02:44:52,830 --> 02:44:57,190
I think we're at this point over 50% as they've kind of all.

1912
02:44:58,210 --> 02:44:59,590
come through different.

1913
02:45:02,400 --> 02:45:15,220
Entities, repfosters, representative fosters, grant and some of the other projects along the river bank ecological restoration projects that have been funded with other people's money.

1914
02:45:16,280 --> 02:45:19,660
So we've worked hard at that and we'll continue to work at our fundraising.

1915
02:45:20,660 --> 02:45:29,080
There are still opportunities for different naming rights in those types of things, even during construction and even

1916
02:45:29,080 --> 02:45:41,800
as the project moves forward, and in fact, we believe with support and with approval and with momentum for the project moving forward that will kind of put some wind in our sales as a fundraising group as well.

1917
02:45:44,080 --> 02:45:51,740
So right now we're at the two donations, the 700 and the 800, the grant from the state and the 700 donation from

1918
02:45:51,740 --> 02:45:57,700
Yeah, that's basically the extent of all private donations at this point for this project.

1919
02:45:58,060 --> 02:45:59,740
For this specific project, that's correct.

1920
02:45:59,960 --> 02:46:09,320
And I will, in 2023, in the look ahead CIP budget, and based on our consultants, the budget for the project was $3 million.

1921
02:46:09,840 --> 02:46:14,300
And so that's kind of the basis for how we raise the $1.5 million.

1922
02:46:14,760 --> 02:46:21,080
And again, I think maybe the project needs a little bit momentum to support further fundraising around it as well.

1923
02:46:23,160 --> 02:46:33,670
Director Heinz, when it comes to the six point eight, number you've got in here, what do you have for padding there?

1924
02:46:34,030 --> 02:46:37,470
I mean, we haven't had a Riverwalk project in the last three and a half years.

1925
02:46:37,650 --> 02:46:39,070
I've been on the council that's hit budget.

1926
02:46:40,030 --> 02:46:41,110
They've always gone over.

1927
02:46:41,370 --> 02:46:44,970
The last one we had was over seven digits in change orders.

1928
02:46:45,930 --> 02:46:52,590
So is it six point eight or is it nine point eight?

1929
02:46:53,750 --> 02:47:01,750
I think, you know, it's 6.8 is a reasonable number, I mean, we won't know what the market conditions are at that exact time.

1930
02:47:02,190 --> 02:47:08,150
But I will say, you know, going back in time a little bit, you know, we've had three major projects over the last few years.

1931
02:47:08,630 --> 02:47:13,910
The Eagle Street Gateway, which we only had two bidders, and that did commence significantly over budget.

1932
02:47:15,530 --> 02:47:20,750
The North Central College Park, we had better luck, so we did get five bidders, and actually

1933
02:47:20,750 --> 02:47:29,310
the low bid was pretty significantly underneath the engineer's estimate, so that's good news,

1934
02:47:30,130 --> 02:47:32,490
but we'll have to see how the South Extension goes.

1935
02:47:32,790 --> 02:47:37,430
It's a bigger project, so I'm not sure if it's going to generate the same number of bidders,

1936
02:47:37,510 --> 02:47:43,750
but hopefully it will, and I think the 6.8 million is a reasonable number at this point.

1937
02:47:44,390 --> 02:47:52,270
And is there funding established in this number for the continued care and feeding of the new addition to the river walk?

1938
02:47:52,530 --> 02:47:55,270
What would that look like on an annual basis, do you know?

1939
02:47:55,930 --> 02:47:59,210
We do have an estimate for that number.

1940
02:48:00,070 --> 02:48:04,630
It's not, you know, that's an operating budget, not the capital budget.

1941
02:48:04,970 --> 02:48:06,690
So I don't know the number off the top,

1942
02:48:11,560 --> 02:48:11,560
Matt.

1943
02:48:11,560 --> 02:48:22,560
With regard to the downtown parking garage project, I think Councilman Miproom brought up a very good point.

1944
02:48:24,160 --> 02:48:35,080
Ms. Conners stated very early on the record 60% of the visitors the downtown for shopping and dining are estimated to be from out of town visitors.

1945
02:48:35,080 --> 02:48:43,700
And I'm not aware of any of our data capture through the National Community Survey plan that was only mailed to Naperville Residence.

1946
02:48:45,060 --> 02:48:45,980
Select number.

1947
02:48:46,300 --> 02:48:50,480
And then this new opt-in plan survey.

1948
02:48:51,440 --> 02:48:54,560
Theoretically, somebody doesn't have to live in Naperville to fill that out.

1949
02:48:55,020 --> 02:48:58,340
But if they have to have the initiative to fill it out of that, be accurate.

1950
02:48:58,980 --> 02:48:59,220
Ms. Lodge?

1951
02:49:03,300 --> 02:49:05,600
On the community survey, I'm looking over it.

1952
02:49:06,260 --> 02:49:10,360
I'm talking about the special parking survey that was, it's currently in progress.

1953
02:49:10,540 --> 02:49:14,400
National Community Survey was absolutely an April of residence only and only a portion of them.

1954
02:49:14,600 --> 02:49:15,440
Yeah, thank you for the clarification.

1955
02:49:16,080 --> 02:49:25,960
So, yeah, that was available to any downtown patron, as well as it was promoted to retailers and employees of the, of the retailers in the downtown as well.

1956
02:49:26,120 --> 02:49:33,160
So, that was, we, we had QR codes available, broadcast all over the downtown during that time frame where we were doing those parking counts.

1957
02:49:33,160 --> 02:49:37,500
So that was open to any downtown visitor at that time, as well as promoted through our

1958
02:49:37,500 --> 02:49:38,260
typical channels.

1959
02:49:38,700 --> 02:49:43,960
So not at all limited to just a city of Naperville residents.

1960
02:49:45,360 --> 02:49:45,460
Okay.

1961
02:49:45,560 --> 02:49:50,860
In my understanding, in different presentations, I've seen is that we are well below the

1962
02:49:50,860 --> 02:49:57,820
parking ratios for a number one, a downtown with the number of stores and square footage

1963
02:49:57,820 --> 02:49:59,900
dedicated to retail and restaurant.

1964
02:50:01,120 --> 02:50:10,400
As compared to other cities and our true competition, is that still accurate?

1965
02:50:13,710 --> 02:50:23,810
Yeah, I would say that is that is accurate. I know that is what, you know, the data that was prepared by DNA and DAX showed, you know, they were using some benchmarks.

1966
02:50:24,770 --> 02:50:28,830
historically, the city has used its own downtown parking

1967
02:50:28,830 --> 02:50:31,690
generation rate, which is very close to what they were using.

1968
02:50:33,030 --> 02:50:38,310
So the last time we did the full report, we did provide an estimate of

1969
02:50:38,310 --> 02:50:42,050
2.0 to 2.5 spaces per thousand square feet, and that excludes any

1970
02:50:42,050 --> 02:50:43,070
residential development.

1971
02:50:43,790 --> 02:50:47,950
So we were using a similar ratio at that point, which did show that

1972
02:50:47,950 --> 02:50:51,590
based on the amount of commercial square footage that there was a

1973
02:50:51,590 --> 02:50:53,510
need from additional parking spaces.

1974
02:50:55,050 --> 02:50:55,190
OK.

1975
02:50:56,290 --> 02:50:58,830
And when it comes to the streetscape improvement plan,

1976
02:50:59,850 --> 02:51:04,530
how many spaces are we taking offline during that project?

1977
02:51:07,160 --> 02:51:10,720
For the Jefferson and Main Street streetscape

1978
02:51:10,720 --> 02:51:13,200
it was total of 36 on street spaces.

1979
02:51:13,900 --> 02:51:16,200
That will be gone through the duration of the project

1980
02:51:17,100 --> 02:51:19,080
or when the project is over.

1981
02:51:19,080 --> 02:51:29,980
That those would be unavailable while the project is underway. I mean, depending on staging, we might not have to take all of those out at one time, but the maximum during construction would be 36.

1982
02:51:30,680 --> 02:51:42,540
Okay, and Mr. Hines, do we know how many would be out of service at City Hall or one of you? Mr. Randolph?

1983
02:51:43,400 --> 02:51:48,340
Yeah, the project is split over two years. It would be one half at a time.

1984
02:51:48,340 --> 02:51:50,580
So one half one year and one half the other.

1985
02:51:50,980 --> 02:51:52,180
What does that equate to, approximately?

1986
02:51:53,360 --> 02:51:58,620
It's half a 370, about 170.

1987
02:51:59,380 --> 02:52:01,000
I'm learning from Director Loudon.

1988
02:52:01,380 --> 02:52:05,940
So theoretically, we're taking 200 spaces offline at the same time.

1989
02:52:06,800 --> 02:52:07,100
Yes.

1990
02:52:08,080 --> 02:52:11,400
Without any sort of replacement for those spaces, correct?

1991
02:52:13,720 --> 02:52:20,040
So, you can kind of see where I'm going with this as far as the concerns.

1992
02:52:20,920 --> 02:52:24,800
One way or the other, we're going to have parking challenges with that project.

1993
02:52:24,940 --> 02:52:28,460
We're going to have parking challenges if we decide to build a parking garage.

1994
02:52:29,380 --> 02:52:32,520
But I think there's something more and beyond that.

1995
02:52:32,620 --> 02:52:38,020
And that is by the end of this year, we're estimated to have about 16 million dollars in a downtown parking fund

1996
02:52:38,020 --> 02:52:40,920
that was dedicated for more parking.

1997
02:52:40,920 --> 02:52:49,520
And, if we're not going to build that more parking, why are we collecting $16 million in special

1998
02:52:49,520 --> 02:52:58,200
tax revenues from food and beverage in the downtown specifically for the downtown parking

1999
02:52:58,200 --> 02:53:03,540
fund, if we're not going to ever build the facility.

2000
02:53:03,540 --> 02:53:11,000
I mean, we should be getting rid of that tax or given the money back if we're never going

2001
02:53:11,000 --> 02:53:14,980
to build a facility that we promised or that was in the cards long ago.

2002
02:53:15,800 --> 02:53:19,260
So I've got some great concerns about what we're doing there.

2003
02:53:19,480 --> 02:53:27,520
And quite frankly, I mean, the last piece of my concern would be the downtown parking fund

2004
02:53:27,520 --> 02:53:31,900
being used for maintenance on the municipal parking garage deck.

2005
02:53:31,900 --> 02:53:39,500
I mean, we just heard, it mentioned that city employees use that, the nickels library

2006
02:53:39,500 --> 02:53:44,660
employees use that, and neighbor settlement employees, and neighbor settlement uses it.

2007
02:53:44,940 --> 02:53:50,660
And not one of those groups pays into that downtown parking fund.

2008
02:53:52,560 --> 02:53:58,900
So to suggest that we're going to use half of the, half of the funding for repairs in the

2009
02:53:58,900 --> 02:54:04,660
of municipal center parking garage and tap the downtown parking fund for it.

2010
02:54:04,940 --> 02:54:11,620
I just don't think it's the appropriate use of those funds as this was pitched to the

2011
02:54:11,620 --> 02:54:17,360
retailers and the restaurant owners who made the investment in our downtown many years ago

2012
02:54:17,360 --> 02:54:23,460
under the guys they would be collecting these taxes, they would be increasing their prices to

2013
02:54:23,460 --> 02:54:26,480
to have parking for their customers.

2014
02:54:27,860 --> 02:54:32,200
So I think it's just not an appropriate budget allocation.

2015
02:54:34,470 --> 02:54:35,050
Thank you.

2016
02:54:35,290 --> 02:54:35,810
Councilman, how's it?

2017
02:54:35,910 --> 02:54:36,530
Do you got a follow-up?

2018
02:54:36,650 --> 02:54:38,770
Thank you, Mayor, just had a couple of follow-up questions

2019
02:54:38,770 --> 02:54:40,290
for Mr. Kennedy.

2020
02:54:41,470 --> 02:54:42,350
He looks excited.

2021
02:54:45,860 --> 02:54:47,400
I think he said it earlier, Mr. Kennedy,

2022
02:54:47,680 --> 02:54:49,060
but just wanted to verify.

2023
02:54:50,260 --> 02:54:53,220
Had this project been approved in the, I'm sorry,

2024
02:54:53,220 --> 02:54:59,300
If it had been, yeah, approved in the CIP and the original year it was proposed, not delayed.

2025
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:03,740
Half funding for the path was covered by private donors, correct?

2026
02:55:04,980 --> 02:55:10,940
I'm sorry, I missed the, okay, sorry, if this had been approved in the year that it was first proposed.

2027
02:55:11,780 --> 02:55:15,880
You had half, 1.5 million dollars was half of the net in cost.

2028
02:55:16,260 --> 02:55:16,740
Correct.

2029
02:55:17,080 --> 02:55:19,740
We've had an inflation in the cost of materials and construction.

2030
02:55:21,260 --> 02:55:25,100
And now the whole site gateways been added in, but that's tossed that out.

2031
02:55:25,100 --> 02:55:34,300
But the actual cost of the path, the issue we now have is a inflation in the cost of goods and construction correct, or that's a major issue.

2032
02:55:36,240 --> 02:55:47,620
Is it fair to say it's a hard sell to go back to the donors and say we now want to maintain one-half private donations on a reason for that is that we delayed the project for three years.

2033
02:55:48,760 --> 02:55:51,220
And we want you to cover the inflation for us.

2034
02:55:51,280 --> 02:55:53,000
Is that fair to say that's a hard ask?

2035
02:55:53,940 --> 02:55:58,260
Yeah, I can't speak for the leadership at the hospital.

2036
02:55:58,640 --> 02:56:07,180
I know they were disappointed when it was deferred to this point, and they expressed that, but I can't speak to them.

2037
02:56:08,280 --> 02:56:13,820
Being the person who's gone back to them each time and sat down and talked to them after each deferral.

2038
02:56:14,300 --> 02:56:17,160
Yeah, those are uncomfortable conversations, so I wouldn't look forward to that.

2039
02:56:17,160 --> 02:56:28,920
Okay, and then just as a, you know, following up on Councilman Brune's point, he talked about the $1 million being, or sorry, the cost being 1 million more than anticipated.

2040
02:56:29,180 --> 02:56:37,120
I just wanted to make sure that it's clear on the record that that means 6.8 million is 1 million more than we had hoped we had hoped for more like 5.8 million.

2041
02:56:37,120 --> 02:56:41,660
We're using last year's numbers, but yeah, I just just want to make sure let's clear

2042
02:56:41,660 --> 02:56:45,080
us now we're talking about 7.8 million or something like that.

2043
02:56:47,160 --> 02:56:54,960
And then final question is fair to say that in other Riverwalk extension projects or expansion

2044
02:56:54,960 --> 02:57:00,540
projects, when naming rights have been sold to pavilion or squares or things like that,

2045
02:57:00,540 --> 02:57:07,280
Those have generally raised six figure sums, which is donated back to the City for River

2046
02:57:07,280 --> 02:57:10,680
Lock Maintenance Correct, or I'm sorry, is donated back for River Lock Maintenance

2047
02:57:10,680 --> 02:57:11,280
Correct?

2048
02:57:12,160 --> 02:57:17,540
Yeah, any fundraising we do would, the sole purpose of our fundraising committee is for

2049
02:57:17,540 --> 02:57:23,380
Master Plan projects, and this is our focus and our primary objective right now, so

2050
02:57:23,380 --> 02:57:29,460
anything we raised now or even over the next couple of years would go to the city to support

2051
02:57:29,460 --> 02:57:36,360
This project. Yeah, and the final question is just to verify there were $3.5 million dollars of other

2052
02:57:36,360 --> 02:57:44,340
World War war war projects that that the commission shows to defer into the future to prioritize this one correct not only to

2053
02:57:44,340 --> 02:57:51,860
Fur but to look at the extent of those projects as they sit today the scope of those projects and even

2054
02:57:52,580 --> 02:57:58,100
To scope of those projects in other words other projects for cut that's right for this. Okay. Thank you, Mayor

2055
02:57:59,160 --> 02:58:00,120
How's it been Kelly?

2056
02:58:00,640 --> 02:58:00,980
Thank you Mayor.

2057
02:58:01,300 --> 02:58:10,680
A couple of follow-ups on the funding allocation that hasn't gotten a whole lot of discussion but one thing I will agree with you on what I might disagree and then a question for staff.

2058
02:58:12,500 --> 02:58:26,660
For the funding split on the municipal deck I will say I wasn't sure what staff was going to propose there for my perspective when I saw 50 50 I thought that made sense actually because granted it's used by city and settlement employees during the day.

2059
02:58:26,660 --> 02:58:39,960
But then it's of course also used on the top deck during the day for residents, but for shoppers and diners at nights and on the weekends and I'll say that's it's one reason that I don't personally see the nickels deck being

2060
02:58:40,560 --> 02:58:46,020
a necessity because I can always find a spot. I'll say in the municipal deck to me, that's one of the one of the

2061
02:58:47,440 --> 02:58:53,380
It's not a secret, but just a lot of people don't use it, but it's right at water street and right across the river from from the rest of downtown.

2062
02:58:54,080 --> 02:59:02,940
So, that makes sense to me, I will say on the food and beverage tax for the downtown parking

2063
02:59:02,940 --> 02:59:03,820
fund.

2064
02:59:04,000 --> 02:59:04,840
I'll agree with the mayor.

2065
02:59:04,940 --> 02:59:07,460
I think we should only be collecting what we actually need.

2066
02:59:07,480 --> 02:59:09,880
If we are going to do the nickels deck, then we'll need a lot.

2067
02:59:10,740 --> 02:59:15,040
Obviously, if we don't, I would be curious from staff if you could get some information

2068
02:59:15,040 --> 02:59:20,480
for regarding what big ticket items we're going to have over the next many years.

2069
02:59:20,480 --> 02:59:25,220
I know the central parking facility is talked about having to be redone at some point in

2070
02:59:25,220 --> 02:59:30,420
what the potential just very ballpark costs on that might be what that eat up the entirety

2071
02:59:30,420 --> 02:59:34,680
of the fund plus a million per year for the next many years.

2072
02:59:35,460 --> 02:59:40,000
In any case at some point, whenever we've built out the parking that we're going to need, whether

2073
02:59:40,000 --> 02:59:45,380
that's redoing central and or nickels potentially at some point I think it would make sense

2074
02:59:45,380 --> 02:59:49,880
move into a maintenance phase, and maybe we reduce or eliminate that tax.

2075
02:59:50,760 --> 02:59:55,420
The question for staff, I guess, is if you can explain for us how you came to that 5050 proposal

2076
02:59:55,420 --> 02:59:57,060
for the municipal deck?

2077
02:59:58,820 --> 02:59:59,760
Thank you for that clarification.

2078
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:19,300
You know, it's certainly not a black and it's not a white. For, you know, the city obviously does use that for city business. Should the downtown parking fund be used to assist us in funding city business, absolutely not?

2079
03:00:19,960 --> 03:00:26,960
You know, our thought and Ted has been tasked with this is try to evaluate, you know, kind

2080
03:00:26,960 --> 03:00:32,560
of the percentage usage, you know, and I don't know if it's that because it's used by

2081
03:00:32,560 --> 03:00:33,000
both.

2082
03:00:33,960 --> 03:00:41,420
So, you know, the low it would be zero if it were 100% used by non-sitting non-settlement,

2083
03:00:41,460 --> 03:00:44,280
non-library people, it would be two thirds.

2084
03:00:45,240 --> 03:00:47,060
It's going to be somewhere in between.

2085
03:00:47,420 --> 03:00:50,520
Ted is going to come up with an estimate of use to say,

2086
03:00:50,520 --> 03:00:53,460
you know, hey, on average, it's,

2087
03:00:53,480 --> 03:00:55,180
I'll pick something to make the math easy.

2088
03:00:55,360 --> 03:01:03,480
Say it's 40% used by downtown patrons, 60% used by the city.

2089
03:01:03,680 --> 03:01:06,100
You say, okay, we have the 60%.

2090
03:01:06,800 --> 03:01:10,120
That piece is going to be paid for entirely by the city.

2091
03:01:10,120 --> 03:01:18,020
the remaining 40 percent, two-thirds of that would be paid for by the downtown parking fund,

2092
03:01:18,200 --> 03:01:20,400
and then the remainder would be paid for by the city.

2093
03:01:21,680 --> 03:01:26,500
That is what kind of got us near the 50-50, so it was a little more thought-pop behind it.

2094
03:01:26,580 --> 03:01:28,580
It wasn't just split the difference.

2095
03:01:29,680 --> 03:01:34,560
That is why we don't have kind of an exact percentage because we're still trying to calculate

2096
03:01:34,560 --> 03:01:38,340
the best percentage of use of those spaces.

2097
03:01:38,340 --> 03:01:43,200
And it will receive that you estimate from staff before making final decisions on this.

2098
03:01:43,440 --> 03:01:43,880
Yes.

2099
03:01:44,240 --> 03:01:44,540
All right.

2100
03:01:44,780 --> 03:01:45,780
Thank you.

2101
03:01:48,780 --> 03:01:49,400
It's all the questions.

2102
03:01:51,220 --> 03:01:53,580
That's not all the presentation, though.

2103
03:01:54,700 --> 03:01:57,280
I think Deputy Director Morocco has the next section.

2104
03:01:58,120 --> 03:02:01,820
Just a few more on how we fund capital projects.

2105
03:02:03,680 --> 03:02:05,560
First up, we have the Home Roastail Tax.

2106
03:02:05,580 --> 03:02:09,180
This is a single largest revenue source dedicated to funding capital improvements.

2107
03:02:09,180 --> 03:02:14,500
It was implemented in 2016 as a conscious decision to create a consistent funding source

2108
03:02:14,500 --> 03:02:16,620
to support ongoing capital investment.

2109
03:02:17,180 --> 03:02:22,240
In turn, this allows a city to responsibly manage debt because of that consistent funding source.

2110
03:02:22,860 --> 03:02:26,900
To date, over $13 million in home real sales tax funds have been collected.

2111
03:02:28,000 --> 03:02:34,000
The current tax rate of three quarters of 1% remains the lowest home real sales tax rate of surrounding communities.

2112
03:02:35,420 --> 03:02:40,160
Sorry, I'm just going to add. Home real sales tax, however, does not apply to big ticket

2113
03:02:40,160 --> 03:02:44,760
or essential items like title vehicles, qualifying groceries or medical health care items.

2114
03:02:45,540 --> 03:02:53,640
You will notice that Home real sales tax revenues projected to increase by 3% from 2026 to 2027.

2115
03:02:54,420 --> 03:02:59,960
This increases primarily due to sustained consumer spending and the ongoing impact of inflation.

2116
03:02:59,960 --> 03:03:05,360
Additionally, many municipalities, including Naperville, are benefiting from expanded online sales

2117
03:03:05,360 --> 03:03:09,300
tax collections as consumers continue to spend more online.

2118
03:03:10,220 --> 03:03:16,940
The 2027 budget estimate is $24.8 million up from $24.1 million projected for 2026.

2119
03:03:20,590 --> 03:03:25,970
Well, all right, motorfield tax, motor fuel and local gas taxes are used to fund the city's

2120
03:03:25,970 --> 03:03:31,370
street maintenance program, which includes resurfacing and reconstruction, the motorfield

2121
03:03:31,370 --> 03:03:37,770
tax or MFT is further made up of state MFT and the Transportation Renewal Fund or TRF.

2122
03:03:38,010 --> 03:03:43,750
MFT is a fixed, great per gallon while TRF is adjusted annually based on the consumer price index.

2123
03:03:44,710 --> 03:03:52,010
For 2027, MFT is forecasted at $7.6 million, which is a 4.8% increase from 26.

2124
03:03:52,890 --> 03:03:57,610
The increase is driven by TRF, since motor fuel taxes projected to decline slightly.

2125
03:03:57,610 --> 03:04:03,630
The state is still evaluating how MFT structure may need to evolve in the future, particularly

2126
03:04:03,630 --> 03:04:08,210
as vehicle technology and fuel consumption patterns change.

2127
03:04:09,190 --> 03:04:13,110
For now, staff is taking the wait and see approach at the local level as the state considers

2128
03:04:13,110 --> 03:04:13,890
its options.

2129
03:04:14,890 --> 03:04:19,550
Once the state's direction becomes clear, staff can evaluate whether a similar approach would

2130
03:04:19,550 --> 03:04:21,870
be appropriate or workable at the local level.

2131
03:04:21,870 --> 03:04:25,870
A pervils local gas tax is a flat four cents per gallon.

2132
03:04:26,290 --> 03:04:31,050
Revenors here have remained consistent with past years at around 2.4 million, but

2133
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have yet to return to pre-pandemic levels of 2.7 million.

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More fuel tax revenues will continue to be a closely monitored due to the current

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uneasy oil market and forecasted decline in consumption.

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Next we have the downtown food and beverage tax.

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Business is located downtown.

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Collector remit the additional 3.4% on food and beverage sales in addition to the Citywide

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Tax.

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The downtown food and beverage taxes fully dedicated to the downtown parking.

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Fund to support construction maintenance and improvement of downtown parking facilities. As a chart illustrates, collections have rebounded since 2021 and have been at at approximately one million dollars.

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For 2027, staff is projecting a slight decline of approximately 2% or 20,000 dollars. This projection is based on current collection trends and does not reflect any potential impact from a recent repeal of the happy hour ban.

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Staff will continue to monitor collections and if current trends improve, we will re-evaluate our preliminary estimates.

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All right, last we have capital support. This is another way capital is funded through the issuance of bonds.

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Neighborville is considered a low-deopard and community by our bond rating agencies.

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Our conservative practices on debt issuance is helped maintain this low-deoparden.

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In addition, debt is carefully planned and issued on a reimbursement basis to avoid unnecessary borrowing.

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The result is our prestigious AAA moderating for 30 years.

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The 2027 CIP assumes a planned-ed issuance of nearly $50 million in new utility debt.

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This includes $10 million for the electric utility and $40 million in the water utility.

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It's very important to note that utility debt in the water and electric funds is separate from the general fund.

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As a result of this, the debt that utilities would be taking on has no impact to the property tax levy.

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The 2027 budget includes no new bond issuance for capital outside of the utilities.

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Over the past five years, $15 million has been issued for general capital projects.

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This was included in the 2025 Geobons, along with $30 million for the utilities.

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With that, I'll turn it over to Doug for closing remarks.

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All right.

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Thanks Tracy.

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So what comes next?

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As we talked about previously, we're currently finalizing the proposed budget, which

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will be published on October 9th. We'll include all of the detail. This is a closest we come

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to publishing a phone book here at the city. Our second workshop, scheduled for October 27th,

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is going to cover our operating budget and major funds. And then if needed, third and final budget

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workshop would take place on November 10th, public hearing and approval of the 2027 budget and

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This concludes staff presentation for the evening mayor and we're happy to answer any other additional questions.

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Councillor White.

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Thank you.

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Just a quick question.

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You mentioned a motor fuel tax.

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I've been asking this when he probably knew it was coming.

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What we're doing with the electric vehicle registration, getting some net funding to come back to the city.

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As we mentioned, we're kind of taking away and see a approach.

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I think there was some proposed legislation from the state on additional surcharge for electric

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vehicles, but I think that's still going through the process, so until we kind of see some

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activity at the state.

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I don't think we're ready to take any action at the local level just yet.

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Yes.

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In the whole point, being there charging this forward when we register a car, but we're not getting

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any of that back to the city like we would be if we were actually spending gas money on gasoline

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and we get, we get that money back and it seems like I don't know how many years have brought this up and it's still seen the action on it.

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We continue to track it with the legislation. Other states have done it and they've done it successfully.

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I think it's more important for us here in Naperville because we have such a much higher adoption of electric vehicles.

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So, you know, we've got more cars, and you do mention electric vehicles do pay more to the state for the registration.

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However, the state shares zero of that with us as opposed to somebody buying gas at a gas station where we do get the share.

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But yet, no, we are continuing to track.

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Okay. Thank you.

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comes with my holes. Thank you, Mayor. I was curious why grocery tax revenue wasn't listed as a

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a revenue source on here or dime is it? grocery taxes in the general fund. Okay. Which we cover

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at the last two workshops. Okay. It's operating. Got it. Thank you. And then just final thing I wanted to

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clarify. I thought I heard that you said it direct Morocco. But there are no bonds being issued

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for anything outside of utilities this year.

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No plan, nothing planned.

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Okay, so in other words, balance budget for the CIP stuff outside of utilities.

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We do, you know, as I mentioned, the cash balance summary, you know, that's where we

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would be transparent on any kind of planned spend downs and reserves for funds in prior years.

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We have had that, but nothing at the moment planned to, for general debt outside of the utilities.

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Awesome job, then. Thank you, Mayor.

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All right. Well, folks, thank you very much for all your work on this tonight.

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Our workshop is now concluded, and we will wish everybody a good night.