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Good morning everyone.
>> Good morning.

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» Morning.
>> Good morning.

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» Welcome. And as chairman of the Nash
County Board of Commissioners, I now

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call to order the August 3rd, 2026
meeting of the Nash County Board of

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Commissioners.
We start our commissioner meeting with a

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prayer invocation and also the pledge of
allegiance. We'll be asking Commissioner

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Fred Balefield to give our invocation
and Commissioner Wayne Outlaw to lead us

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in our pledge of pledge of allegiance.
Will we all please stand?

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Let us pray.
Trust in the Lord with all your heart

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and lean not on your own understanding.
Father, we are here to transact business

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monthly meeting of Nass County
Commissioners. We pray that you are in

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our presence. We pray that you will lead
and guide us and direct us with the

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challenges that we have in the decisions
that we have to make. We know if we

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believe in you in our heart that you
will be in our midst because there is a

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sweet, sweet spirit in this place. And I
know it's the spirit of the God. Now,

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Father, we are ready to start our August
meeting. And we know there are things

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that we need to attend to for the
citizens of Nash County. And we pray

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also that you will bless this county,
bless the state, bless the nation and

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the world. These blessings we ask in
your name. Amen.

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» Amen.
>> Would you join us in the pledge?

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» I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» All right. Uh, first we'll have the
approval of our minutes for our July

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13th meeting.
Any correction to the minutes of our

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July 13th meeting?
Hearing none. Is there a motion to

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accept the minutes of our July 13, 2026
meeting?

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» Motion to accept, Mr. Chairman.
>> Motion by Commissioner Wilkins and

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» second.
>> Second by Commissioner Wayne Outlaw. Any

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further discussion? All in favor of the
motion, let it be known by saying I.

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» I.
>> All opposed. Motion approved.

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» Uh we will now
uh approve our agenda with some

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additions. Uh
>> chairman, if I may, um the board members

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have a number of items in front of them
and I'd like to just kind of walk

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through those with you real quick since
there are so many and I apologize for

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that. I believe the top one um is budget
amendments. And actually, from what I

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can tell, these are the budget
amendments that are in your your packet.

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So, if you'll just kind of put that
aside until later when we address budget

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amendments, but I think you will find
that those are the same ones that are in

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your agenda packet that you've already
seen. Stacy. Um I think um Nikki had a

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change to the health department budget
amendment. There was an amount that she

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got corrected from the state and that's
the reason it is up there. Okay. There

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was a change.
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if the board heard that the last item
number five for the health department,

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that amount um is different from what's
in your packet. So we'll address that

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when we have budget amendments. Um, we
also have uh the board appointments. I

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believe in your packet we did not have
information for the ABC board chair and

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so the item in front of you um printed
in front of you has the information for

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the ABC board chair. We have a request
to add an item for for the sheriff's

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office for the North Carolina Governor's
Highway Safety Program uh driving while

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impaired grant. Uh they are going to ask
this morning um if you will allow them

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to add this to the agenda as item number
A or sorry 9A.

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Um they have three items and their last
item is item number nine. And if we can

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add this one as 9A onto the agenda
and there's an attachment that goes

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along with that one that's in front of
you as well.

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Mr. Boon has also provided you all with
an update on capital projects. That is

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in front of you. And then um also in
front of you is a letter from the chair

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of the um uh Nash County Community
College Chair Board of Trustees, Russell

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Proctor, um in support of an item that
you all will address today. And then if

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I can make one more request to add to
the agenda. Um as item number 26A

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after we do our budget amendments. Um
Commissioner Freddy Howell has a request

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to the board for a letter of support.
And if we could add that request for a

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letter of support as item number 26A.

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He needed to move the community college
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Thought the community college item was
going to come at uh well after 9 a

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» after 9A. Yes, sir. If we could move the
Let me see what number is that one. I

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apologize.
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we'll call it 9 B.
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land purchase.
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» Number 20. If number 20 could be moved
up to 9B, please.

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» Okay. That it.
>> Yes, sir.

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Commission, you've heard the request to
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the addendum addition to the agenda. Uh
any discussion about that?

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Okay. Then I'll entertain a motion to
accept the agenda as amended.

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» So move, sir.
>> Move, excuse me. Moved by Commissioner

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Howard and second by Commissioner
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Uh any further discussion? All in favor
of adopting the amended agenda, let it

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be known by saying I. I.
>> All oppose. Motion carried. We will

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start with well our public comment. We
have no one who signed up uh to speak

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today. So we'll move into our item
number six uh retirement recognition.

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Good morning.
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» At this time, I would like to call up
Kimberly Barnes. Is she here today?

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» Hi, Kimberly. Kimberly has dedicated 13
years of service specifically to the

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public health department. I would like
to uh congratulate her on her retirement

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and I would like to ask you to come down
and join her

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pictures and hand.

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All right,
we will move to item number seven,

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uh, transfer of service weapon, uh,
Deputy Alan Wilson.

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» Good morning, sir.
>> Morning. All right.

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Uh thank you for letting us bring this
before you this morning. Um

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in September, we're going to have a
bridge dedication for uh Deputy Jared

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Allison who uh passed away in 2020 as a
result of uh uh traffic enforcement on

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US 301 on Thanksgiving night. He was
involved in a collision. Uh since that

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time, we've held his weapon in our
armory. We've not done anything with

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that weapon. So, at the time that we
have this bridge dedication in

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September, I think it would be fit be
fitting and the sheriff thinks it would

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be befitting to be able to take this
weapon and have it transferred to his uh

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mother and given to her and the
paperwork can be completed for that. Uh

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just as we would give a weapon to
someone that retired, uh he lost his

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life in line of duty and we think it
would uh honor him and his uh service to

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this county by doing that. So, we're
requesting the board give us approval to

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present the service weapon to his mother
on in September.

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» All right.

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Excuse me. I missed I missed something.
I was reading something else. I'm sorry.

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» Make a motion to approve the request,
Mr. Chairman.

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» Okay. Second.
>> Thank Thank uh you heard the motion. Is

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there uh any discussion on the motion
hear? None. All in favor of the motion

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let it be known by saying I.
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» All oppose. Motion to car it.
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» Okay. Thank you very much. The next uh
item on the uh agenda for the sheriff's

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office is the soul source purchase of a
swiftwater rescue boat package. I'm

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going to bring Lieutenant Tony Cameron
up and let him speak on this. the

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sheriff has placed him in charge of uh
organizing this new unit for the

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sheriff's office and the need that it uh
that exists for the county to have such

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thing.
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» All right. Come on.
>> Uh uh the sheriff's office would like to

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initiate a swiftwater rescue team for
this county and the ability to to

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respond nationwide. Uh this swiftwater
rescue team will be a type three team

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capable of of uh rescuing folks uh that
are stranded in their homes from flood

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waters. As we all well know from uh past
events here in this county, uh this uh

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in Spring Hope, North Carolina, which
was one of the biggest biggest issues

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that we faced with sudden flood waters
suddenly flooding our areas and

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unfortunately in that event on uh in
August of last year, took the life of

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two individuals. Well, the sheriff's
office wants to combat that. We want to

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stand up a swiftwater rescue team to
respond to those events, and we're

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asking for your support.
All right. Uh, any discussion from the

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board? Mr.
>> Chairman, I'd like to make a motion we

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approve this matter.
>> It's been moved by Commissioner Howard

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that we approve this. Is there a second?
>> Second.

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» Second by Commissioner Outlaw. Uh, we
are now ready for discussion.

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Commissioner,
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» uh, unfortunately, I I would not be able
to support this. I think everyone knows

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I've always been against soul source
purchases uh because they do not give a

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a look or other people to provide
things. But more than importantly, I

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don't really understand us doing this.
It seems to me a duplication effort of

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taxpayers funding when the city of Rocky
Mount has a very well-known uh rescue

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team uh actually ranked number one of
the three in the state as I understand

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it. And I don't understand the general
assembly allotting money for a

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duplication effort uh with another one.
I don't have any

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uh problems with the sheriff having one
by any means, but it's just a complete

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duplication and uh of and if anything,
we should be doing what we could to work

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with Rocky Mount uh swiftwater rescue
team and uh provide funding uh to do

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that rather than to start a new one from
scratch. But just just my thoughts on

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it, reason it bothers me, Mr. Chairman.
With that, I'll stand now. Thank you,

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sir.
>> All right. Any other discussion,

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» Mr. Chair?
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» just a few questions if you don't mind.
Um,

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do I understand this is being funded?
So, this isn't count costing the

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taxpayers of Nash County any Nash County
taxes at all?

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» Yeah.
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state fun.
>> So, our our state elected officials have

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funded this project.
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» Is that correct? So, they felt a need
that we needed this. And just to help

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out, can you give me because I don't
fully understand how much distance are

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we talking about from Edgecomb County to
the other end of Nash County?

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» Well, I'm I'm not sure the exact
distance. I know we're we're 512 square

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miles in this county and I and I can
tell you um at from responding to

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Hurricane Floyd and Matthew, every
resource was critical, specifically when

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we were doing rescues. Um, and I did
take part in that here in Floyd and in

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Matthew as a state highway patrol. So,
additional resources are definitely

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needed. I and I think it's a great asset
not only for us here in Nash County, but

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as our partners here just as just as
soon as LA this weekend, we had floods

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in Wataga County, we had floods in Siri
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and rescue. So, it's it's very critical,
I believe. And so if I understand you

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correctly that we would be willing to
help in those situations others as we

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would expect help in our area when we
would have an event unfortunately as

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well. And we hope we don't need this
asset but it's one that if we don't have

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at the time of need we can't go out and
get. Is that correct?

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» Absolutely. Yes sir.
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count when it comes to swiftwater
rescues. So timing is critical to get

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there quickly. Is that be a fair
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» Yes sir. Absolutely.
>> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Mr.

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Chairman.
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» I have a question. Um, it says for a
startup of swiftwater flood search and

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rescue team. Do you anticipate after
it's started up,

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» do you have any idea of how much the
expenses will be to the taxpayers?

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» The expenses will consist of training
our members uh on an annual basis uh uh

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as far as the swift water piece. Uh we
must maintain our certifications. We

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have must maintain an EMT uh
certification which I'm an EMT. Uh so it

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would be training is what we're looking
at and maintaining the equipment, the

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boats and so forth.
>> But that would be training of already

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existing personnel, not new hires in the
budget and down the road.

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» We we've identified 19 members within
the sheriff's office.

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» Okay.
>> Already carrying some credentials that

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would aid in the team and Yes, ma'am.
>> All right. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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» Yes, Commissioner. had a question. Um,
just to piggy back on um, Commissioner

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Wilkins comment, do you have any idea of
the training hours needed to get this

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team stood up and then to maintain it?
>> Yes, ma'am, I do. I have the exact list

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that we required as far as the exact
what we have in currently on on staff. I

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can't give you an exact number, but
we're looking at ICS classes. We're

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looking at EMT classes. We're looking at
boat operator classes. We're looking at

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swiftwater rescue classes, shorebased
rescue classes, boat operator classes.

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Some of my members, like I said, we
already have that training and we're

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able to step in. I am ready to step in.
I already carry those credentials as

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well. And that's one of the reasons the
sheriff selected me for this position or

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this task. Um, but exact number, I can't
give you that. I'm sorry.

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» Is is the um startup money is that some
of that supposed to go towards training

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also or just solely equipment?
>> Yes, ma'am. that it has been a certain

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amount earmarked for that training piece
was 25,000.

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» Okay.
>> Thank you.

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» All right. Any other discussion?
>> Commissioner uh David

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» uh in response to Commissioner How's
comment? I would like to point out that

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uh the fact that it came from the state
of North Carolina through a local

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appropriation uh state of North Carolina
receives funding through taxpayers in in

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North Carolina including ones in Nash
County. So I can't look at that

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different. Uh they're still spending Ash
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of effort. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
>> All right. Any other discussion?

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» Mr. Chair,
>> isn't there a a newly developed or newly

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built facility in Eastern North Carolina
as well specifically for training for

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this purpose?
>> It is in Stanley County. has spent a lot

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of money
>> putting in a training facility state of

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the art to prepare everyone for this to
to minimize the risk involved and asset

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our citizens as far as in those times of
need.

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» Yeah. Yes, it is. And and we've already
reached out to the state highway patrol

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who's going to assist us in this
training along with Rocky Mount. Uh

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they're willing to help us get this team
stood up and our plan is to work in

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partnership with Rocky Mount.
>> Thank you, sir. Appreciate you bringing

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the money back to Nash County.
>> Yes, Mr.

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» All right. Uh,
Commission Bfield,

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» I think it's important that the the two
work together

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and not separate.
>> Yes, sir.

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» Because there going to be times that we
can send people to other states to help

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them
when they're in a distressed situation.

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We certainly ought to work, sheriff
department, ought to work with uh the

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city of Rocky Mount
and collaborate together and and do

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what's necessary, save lives and and uh
and just have a a happy relationship.

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» Yes, sir. Yes, ma'am.
>> All right. Thank you. Well, you've heard

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the discussion. Uh, and we had a motion.
All in favor? All in favor of the

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motion, let it be known by saying I.
>> I.

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» All oppose.
>> I,

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» uh, raise a hand and oppose.
>> All right. Commissioner Davis, oppose.

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All right. Motion carried. Uh, thank
you. Um, Major Wilson, you got another

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» Yes, sir, I do.
>> All right.

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» Thank you, Lieutenant.

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So, I'm going to ask the board for
approval

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of a a position for the uh for a
full-time position for a uh office uh uh

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basically someone a records management
office assistant uh

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over the past time particularly when the
uh uh time sheets have changed from

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monthly to bi-weekly. Um by doing that
it's increased additional workload uh

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downstairs we have additional workload
with concealed carry classes not classes

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but con concealed carry permits uh that
we have to attend to and other workload

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that's just been over and over and the
Odyssey system uh has required more from

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the ladies downstairs working the civil
part of uh of our our division. So, with

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that, we actually have uh 29,000 and and
a few dollars left in account that we

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use for part-time that we could hire
people part-time to help with this. Uh

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but the problem with that is we can't
hire somebody part-time to come in and

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do what they need to uh do. So, I've
spoken to uh uh county manager and

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requested that we be able to move
forward and ask for a position, a

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full-time position for an office
assistant. So with that office assistant

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um it actually uh will not um it will
not affect as far as uh the cost of that

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it will not affect but like uh I want to
say I calculated up around less than

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$15,000 for the year. Uh we're looking
at if we can get this approved we add

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this on and uh and hire this position in
October if we can do that. uh we really

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need to add this because of the workload
that's been added on to the

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administrative assistance and we have
when I look at the concealed carry we

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have average of 60 to 70 uh renewals and
new concealed carriers come in every

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week. Uh last year they had almost uh
1,600 that they process through and

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that's people that they've got a
fingerprint and conduct paperwork with

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and so forth and then with the walk-ins
and so forth. So, it's just a lot of

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extra on the ladies downstairs that uh
require us to have some extra personnel

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and some extra help. So, I'm asking to
take that part-time money that we're

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already allotted, add a little more to
that, and add a full-time position for

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that to help uh help our employees
downstairs, our civilians.

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» All right. Thank
uh any questions for

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Mr. Wil? I just have one and I realize
it's as you say you're adding to that

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salary, but was this not in your budget?
Was this not foreseen before we voted on

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the budget? Cuz we just voted on the
budget.

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» We we did. Yes, ma'am. And I think it
was in in in the budget we were going to

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request that and I I think at that time
uh there were other things in the budget

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and that was just one item that we were
not approved on for that. Um, however,

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with the part-time money, we were given
uh $29,000 and I don't know the exact

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figure, like $900 or whatever, close to
$30,000 for a part-time position. So,

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with that part-time money, instead of it
sitting there and not being able to be

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used, uh we would like to take that
money and apply that toward this

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full-time position and not use that
part-time money and use that for a

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full-time position. And the salary for
the full-time position uh is indicated.

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And with that uh the amount is what I
just spoke of when I calculated it up

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and that's including fringe benefits for
the remainder of the budget.

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» And Mr. Chairman, my last question would
be to the county manager. Madame

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manager, is this um doable? I
>> Yes, ma'am.

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» Okay.
>> All right.

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» Thank you.
>> All right. Any other questions for

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Commissioner Dave? Uh, Chief Deputy, is
this position uh going to be publicly

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advertised or do you have someone in
mind that would fill the position?

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» Right now, we don't have anyone in mind
and if uh once once it's approved, u I'm

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not sure if we advertise it or if
someone if we have somebody already in

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mind for it. And from what I understood,
you said this position was requested in

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the budget, but it was not approved in
the budget, and you're just coming back

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and asking for it again, but utilizing
some part-time money to do it with. Is

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that what we're saying?
>> Right. What I'm saying is that and and

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other things I asked for in the budget
and we were uh and the budget was worked

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out. uh is just on this instead of using
that money for that and then starting

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this position in October uh we're able
to uh maybe make use of that money where

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we can actually use it to help uh take
on some of the workload that we have

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because some of these ladies have a
tremendous amount of workload um and

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most particular with the Odyssey system
and some of the other things that I just

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mentioned
>> but position would be ongoing it would

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not be
>> it would be ongoing so it would have to

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be funded next year in the budget and I
guess that would be something that would

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be considered Ed when we apply for a
budget next year on hey we got this

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position so other things would uh have
to be managed in order to maintain that

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position.
>> Thank you sir.

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» All right. I will entertain a motion to
uh deny or accept the full-time position

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request.
>> Move for approval.

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» Second been moved by Commissioner Outlaw
and second by Commissioner How that we

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accept the uh full-time position
request. Uh any further discussion on

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the motion? All in favor of the motion,
let it be known by saying I. I.

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» All oppose. I.
>> Commissioner Davis.

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» All right. Motion car. I think you have
one more item.

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» I do. I have one more. So, we're
requesting approval uh to receive one

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deputy on a North Carolina uh governor's
safety grant. uh this one deputy with

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this grant for the fiscal year of 2627
which starts October the 1st would be uh

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paid for 100% means they pay for the
salary, they pay for the vehicle uh and

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and the equipment. The only thing that
this equipment would not cover would be

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uniforms and like a portable radio. Um
and with that this one position would be

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uh granted to go out and it would be a
DWI task force position. So we would

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actually assign another deputy to work
with this position and they would focus

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solely on detection of driving while
impaired individuals. And we know that

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the sheriff's office remains committed
to uh protect the citizens of Ash

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County, protect all those that travel
through and DWI and driving while

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impaired is something that causes uh
serious collisions and serious uh uh I

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guess uh concerns. So with that, uh
we're asking for the approval. Now, the

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way this works is it's a four-year
grant, and every year in January, we

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have to reapply for the grant, and the
state decides whether they're going to

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continue that grant or not. And if they
continued it, then the grant next year,

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the federal part of it would pay 85% of
the salary. It would not be any more

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equipment, right? They would pay for
some training that they would go to. So

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the county would be responsible in year
two of 15% of the salary. Then if we

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move to year three, the federal
government would pay 70% of that deputy

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salary. And then in year four, 50%. And
then in year five, uh that position

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would be assumed by the county. Um and
as we know moving forward, that's just

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uh by then we would need other deputies
to start with with other positions,

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right? So this is a good way to get a uh
someone in to help protect and uh at no

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cost to the county, which is what we're
trying to do.

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» Okay. Any questions for Deputy Wilson?
Commissioner David? Just one uh chief

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deputy, what was your number? What do
your numbers show that the cost would be

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for the first year all in for what you
just would be?

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» Well, what they applied for for the
grant and what's been approved is

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163,748,
>> right?

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» And that includes the salary and the
vehicle.

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» Okay. But the first year, these numbers,
look at them. I I don't know how your

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math works, but it the dogs don't hunt
on the numbers. But anyway, what is your

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first year projection of it including
equipment and everything else benefit?

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» That's what that's what that's what it
came to. That's what they apply for in

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the grant. That's what the projection
is.

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» Saying is that the 163 is for year one
only.

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» Correct.
>> Okay. Makes more more sense. Thank you,

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sir.
>> Yes, sir. And there's a there's a

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resolution that uh has it written down.
I'm not sure if you all have that copy

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of that resolution. The resolution
indicates when uh when we sign this and

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turn it in that there's no cost to the
county and and to be forthright the only

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cost is a uniform and radio.
>> Right. I I I was thinking that was your

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total
>> grand

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that's just for year one and uh each
year you're required to come back before

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the commissioners bring a resolution and
say we're requesting this amount of

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money. Got
>> and that's what they're going to do.

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They'll approve a certain amount.
>> Thank you.

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» Yes, sir.
>> Okay. Uh,

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no further question,
>> Mr. Chairman.

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» Yes, Mr. Chair.
>> I have Okay. So, it's a 4-year grant

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that um gradually the county will have
to pay the difference. So the 85% the

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county is looking at just for the sake
of our citizens is looking at $32,700

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about a year and then that 70% that
third year would be uh 50,000

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and then that fourth year 50% that the
county would be paying is 81,000

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and I'm not against this but 81
>> C could I interrupt you ma'am and just

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say that the 163 is not for every year
163 is only for year one because it

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includes the vehicle
>> and the equipment in the vehicle. So

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vehicles by the time you equipped them,
that's 60 to $65,000. So that's coming

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off. The only thing that the county is
going to be responsible for in year two,

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three, and four is the salary. So when
you look at it, it's only 15% of a the

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deputy's salary that we will be
requesting that the county pay in year

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two. So that's salary and fringe
benefits. So we put all that in. And so

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that's what the county would have to pay
in year two. And then in year three, the

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county would be responsible for 30% of
the member's salary. And then in year

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four, 50% of the member's salary.
>> And you all will re reapply every

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» we have to reapply every January.
>> So you reapply in January, the state

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looks at it, decides whether they're
going to approve it or not. If they

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approve it, then we have to come back
before the board uh next year at the

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same time. And if we come back before
the board and at that time you decide

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that you don't want to do that, then we
just you can't participate in the grant

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because we can't participate without the
county saying that you know this is so

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next year as we move forward in the
budget. I'm sure that'll probably be

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calculated in the budget is what that
grant's going to cost us if we continue

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with that and that would be factored in
I would suppose.

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» Okay. And and that was my question. If
the state does not approve it, we've got

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a position there that the county
commissioners have to decide if they

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want to fund.
>> That would be correct. If if we have

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somebody in that position, you would
have a you would have a position there

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to decide whether you're going to fund
that or how are you going to do with a

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with a position, right?
>> Okay.

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» Yes, ma'am.
>> Thank you.

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Uh uh
Commissioner Davis, I

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» I do think uh it's important to
understand that you've always got

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vacancies, so you would have somewhere
to put that person.

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» Correct.
>> Right.

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» Okay. You've heard the request for uh a
driving while impaired impaired grant.

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Is there a motion?
>> Move approval, Mr. Chairman.

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Uh second moved by Commissioner Davis
and second by Commissioner Howell that

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we approve the request. Any further
discussion?

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All in favor of the motion let it be
known by saying I.

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» I.
>> All opposed. Motion approved. Thank you

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sir.
>> Thank you board.

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» Okay. We will now move to 9B which is
the

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uh consideration on your agenda. Item
number 20 on your agenda.

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» Yes.

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» Good morning.
>> Good morning.

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» Nash County has negotiated the purchase
of 39.84 acres located at 3538 Eastern

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Avenue in Rocky Mount. Uh property
adjacent to Nash Community College. The

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board is being asked today to consider
the purchase of this property at a

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purchase price of 1,950,000
and the agreement of purchase and sale

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is attached in your agenda.
So let me know if you have any

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00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,600
questions.

416
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:13,480
Y'all have any questions at this time or
uh

417
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,480
» is there plan

418
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:21,040
is there a plan for that
>> property at that cost?

419
00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:25,040
» Mr. Chairman,
>> uh

420
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:30,879
wait one minute.
Uh

421
00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:34,079
I think Mr. Honeyut wanted to make a a
presentation. So, I would like him to

422
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:41,280
make the presentation and we're going to
come back and ask Mike the questions. Is

423
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:44,399
that okay? All right.
Well, great morning from Nash Community

424
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:48,480
College. It's always good to be in front
of you and see you all. I bring you

425
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:51,839
greetings from the college from the
students, faculty, staff, and board of

426
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:55,599
trustees, many of which are with me
today. And we thought you might just be

427
00:34:53,919 --> 00:35:01,680
interested to know why we might have an
interest in the property in question. So

428
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:05,760
the to start off with I would say and I
say this pretty much to all of you every

429
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:09,119
time I see you without the partnership
we share with the county and it's a

430
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:13,520
great partnership we could not do what
we do every day and that has literally

431
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:19,119
changed lives. So thank you for that for
your continued support. The college

432
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:24,880
continues to grow. We finally came out
of our COVID slump where we lost 17% of

433
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:30,160
our enrollment during the co years. We
are now past that point. And last year,

434
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:36,079
the last full year, which was the 2526
school year, the college served 23,860

435
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:40,320
students, the most in the college's
history. While that's a great number and

436
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:45,119
hope to continue to report great numbers
to you, what it does to us is fill up

437
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:49,920
all of our buildings, which is a great
problem to have. And so, currently, the

438
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:54,960
existing buildings when we look at our
future planning do not hold enough space

439
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:59,119
for the students that are coming to the
college. Again, a great problem to have.

440
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:02,320
When we look at the entire campus, we've
got a plan in place, a master plan,

441
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:08,720
which includes a new health sciences
building. Um, a basically a regional

442
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:14,240
workforce training center. And then also
two years ago, we moved City High School

443
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:19,040
onto campus into temporary modular
facilities because but the de merger, we

444
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:23,680
were going to lo the school system was
losing another set of schools. And so,

445
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:27,920
Superintendent Ellis got with me and
said, "Let's move them to your campus a

446
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:31,760
little early." Well, we did that, but
that has filled up every space we have.

447
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:35,200
We're proud of that because now we have
the Early College, which is all

448
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:39,040
university transfer on campus, but we
also have our skills high school,

449
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:42,640
arguably as important in this county,
and so they are on campus. We're proud

450
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:48,320
of that. We're opening more programs to
them, but again, it adds to the space uh

451
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:54,160
space constraints. So, we have all these
plans in place. One of the issues we

452
00:36:50,800 --> 00:37:00,560
have is we don't have the space on
campus to put new buildings on unless we

453
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:05,599
start changing the way the campus looks.
We are very unique in the eastern part

454
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:11,359
of the state in how our campus looks. It
has been landscaped meticulously over

455
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:16,480
our 58 years almost 59 years. We have
green space that the community uses

456
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:21,200
constantly. We have nature trails. We
have a really aesthetically pleasing

457
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:24,480
campus. The health sciences building, we
know already we're going to have to take

458
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:28,000
some of that aesthetically pleasing out
to put it in and we're willing to do

459
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:31,599
that because it kind of marries the two
side north and south sides of campus.

460
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,119
Barring that though, we're going to have
to start stacking or doing something

461
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:41,200
else. If we're going to add these other
buildings, we have a immediate need for

462
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:46,480
for something this land would really
benefit us on. If you look at the map of

463
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:51,520
the land, it's kind of a rough Lshape.
On the north end, it comes back over and

464
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:56,400
attaches to the college. It attaches to
the college right next to our electric

465
00:37:53,520 --> 00:38:00,880
line construction field. We currently
house electric cities on campus as well

466
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:08,079
as our own two-year program and our
16week cadet um academy program. We are

467
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:11,920
out of space in our our electric line
construction training area. We haven't

468
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:15,280
found the funding to do this yet because
we haven't had the space to even think

469
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:21,119
about it with yet. But if the college
were to obtain the property in question,

470
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:25,359
the area that attaches on our north side
is right next to the electric cities

471
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:29,520
field and would be an easy expansion of
that program. So that's certainly an

472
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:33,359
immediate need. Some of the the
property, I know y'all have talked about

473
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:38,480
this a million times, is is not suitable
or will be approved for buildings. We

474
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:44,320
understand that. But we also have and
can expand our nature trail system, our

475
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:48,800
natural area system with some outdoor
classroom spaces that are used by our

476
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:52,400
faculty, staff, and students, but the
community at large. We have walkers on

477
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:58,720
campus every day from the community, and
I love seeing that. Um, the the kind of

478
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:02,640
the selfish reason to to want to gain
this for the college. This is the first

479
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:07,920
position in my career where I haven't
had multiple sites to take care of. In

480
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:12,640
Texas, I had three over a 9,400 square
mile area. In Georgia, I had seven

481
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:18,880
across the whole state. At Nash, I have
one. And it's contiguous. This is the

482
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:24,079
last parcel of contiguous land around
the college. We're going to have to

483
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:30,160
expand to keep growing. To give you an
idea of the growth, last summer we were

484
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:33,839
11.2% above the summer before. I told
the team, look, don't get used to that.

485
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:38,960
That's a fluke. It won't happen again.
This summer we are 12.7%

486
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:43,680
above last summer. That's nearly an
entire quarter's growth quarter of

487
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:47,920
growth in the last 12 months. So we're
growing and I'm proud of that. In order

488
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:53,200
to grow though, we've got to expand.
This piece of property would allow us to

489
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:57,359
expand well into the future for the
needs of the college to keep serving the

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00:39:55,119 --> 00:40:01,920
the constituents of our county and our
region. And with that, I would yield the

491
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:08,960
floor.
>> Okay. Uh any question for Dr. Honey?

492
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:12,400
» Mr. Chair,
>> Commissioner How,

493
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:17,280
» you mentioned that basically if you
don't get this property, it's going to

494
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:23,119
force us to do satellite facilities or
start to go up and

495
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:28,160
can you educate me just at a high level
the cost to go up versus expanding on

496
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:32,640
additional property there? Is it the
same? Is it more? Is it less? It's the

497
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:37,599
cost to go up would be more for us
because um

498
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:41,200
space is at a premium. Like I said, we
can put other buildings next to

499
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:45,440
buildings, but adding those second,
third floors, number one, my CFO may

500
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,720
quit if we put more elevators on campus
because there are large one of the

501
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:53,359
biggest problems we have. But but
certainly the cost of doing that versus

502
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:57,280
a one-story more spread out use. The
workforce development center is about

503
00:40:55,040 --> 00:41:03,520
50,000 square feet. the planning on it
with 8,000 square, excuse me, eight

504
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:07,760
5,000 square foot labs that just can't
be stacked. That's got to be a

505
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:11,599
singlestory unit. We do not have a place
on campus. That was our primary building

506
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:15,599
goal until three years ago. We changed
the health sciences mainly because we

507
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:20,800
didn't we would have had to destroy a
huge area of timber and natural space to

508
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:24,800
put it on campus. So, if we ever get to
do that building, which health sciences

509
00:41:22,319 --> 00:41:27,760
will be first, it's we don't currently
have a place to do that. It will have to

510
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,359
be we'll have to find another place to
do it.

511
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:31,440
» Thank you, sir.
>> You bet.

512
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:36,160
» All right.
>> Uh, Commissioner Wel,

513
00:41:33,359 --> 00:41:41,760
» um, Dr. Honeyut, you mentioned a number
of things here that we're in and um you

514
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:46,240
wanted to do the electric line
construction,

515
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:51,119
the health sciences building, city net,
city high um regional workforce

516
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:55,920
development center. Would all that fit
on the only usable 30 acres out of that

517
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:58,560
39.86
acres?

518
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:03,119
We think it will because for the
electric line for example, the part of

519
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:07,359
the land that we're talking about is not
usable for building sites, but for poles

520
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:11,200
would work. When we talk about extending
the electric line construction area,

521
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:15,839
it's literally a series of poles,
climbing poles, not a permanent

522
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:20,480
structure of any type. It would just be
an expansion of what we have. So that

523
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:24,880
would be using some of the nonusable for
a building site. The front portion that

524
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:28,560
borders eastern would be a perfect
position for a new building. And then in

525
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:32,160
between would be that unusable space
that we would utilize for nature and

526
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:35,359
different things like that to to
increase the aesthetics of the campus.

527
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,480
» And how would you go about getting
funding for all these buildings? Would

528
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,760
it come back to the Nash County
taxpayers?

529
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:46,079
» Not we haven't done that in the past in
a very long period of time. My hope we

530
00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:49,599
will begin a capital campaign for our
health sciences building probably in the

531
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:53,920
new year somewhere in there. That's our
goal for the health sciences. We really

532
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:57,680
haven't planned ahead for the workforce
development center, but we know every

533
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:02,560
year we go to the general assembly for
with a with a really large ask to see if

534
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:06,640
we can't get something built. I feel
confident at some point we might. I

535
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,760
would not rule out coming back to y'all
for something, but that is not in the

536
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:15,680
plan currently.
>> Okay. And the last question I have for

537
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:21,040
you is uh you said 23,860
um had enrolled the during the 2526

538
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:26,400
year. This is August. Do you have any
number yet for the 27

539
00:43:23,839 --> 00:43:30,960
28? Well, the 26
>> 26 27. Yes, ma'am. That the 12% I told

540
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,839
you for some our our year starts in the
summer.

541
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:39,040
» So already we're 12% ahead of last
summer. Fall doesn't start for another 3

542
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:43,440
weeks, but we have met last fall and we
were 7.9% up. And so anything any

543
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:47,920
students that add from this point
forward are going to tick that up. I

544
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:53,119
think we'll end up four or five% above
last fall. probably that in the spring

545
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:58,560
with a year end of about 6%. Last year
our full year was 7.9% which is

546
00:43:55,839 --> 00:44:03,119
incredible but another 6% increase is
really going to stretch the the what we

547
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:06,319
have. We're making it work but we
certainly can't continue to grow. It's a

548
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:10,000
great problem to have. We can't continue
to grow with this rate, but we're going

549
00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:13,839
to have a space problem really quickly.
>> Okay, Mr. Chairman, I'll reserve my

550
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:21,440
other questions for the attorney.
>> Okay. Uh any other question?

551
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:24,440
All right. Thank you. Thank you very
much.

552
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:37,920
Excuse.
Okay. Any question for the attorney?

553
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:41,839
» Commissioner Wilkins.
>> Um

554
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:46,960
I I was going to call you by your by
your first name and I caught myself.

555
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:53,920
» That'll be fine. But um would you just
confirm for the citizens and reiterate

556
00:44:49,839 --> 00:45:01,200
um in December of 2025
I believe that the land was um appraised

557
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:06,000
at 550,000. Is that right?
>> Well, it was it was appraised for

558
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:12,000
multiple uses. Um and I think that the
final figure was a million for

559
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:19,119
commercial use and um and somewhere less
than that um for residential use. based

560
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:23,520
on the the infrastructure requirements.
>> Okay, that's what I saw in print was

561
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:27,440
550,000
and um

562
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:30,720
» and that may have been what the final
appraisal

563
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:35,040
showed,
but he did the appraiser did discuss

564
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:40,960
with me the the difference in value
based on on the uses.

565
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:45,599
» Yeah. Um,
I'll I'll wait till after the discussion

566
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:49,920
to say my final. Thank you, Mr.
Chairman.

567
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:53,079
» Okay. All right. Any other questions for
the attorney?

568
00:45:54,319 --> 00:46:04,960
» Okay. U Commissioner Bfield.
Well,

569
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:13,119
in what the president has outlined needs
for, I'm wondering how within a maybe a

570
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:19,680
three or five year period they going to
they intend to do use this property if

571
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:26,079
we vote to purchase it
or is it going to sit there for

572
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:31,160
a long time?
I would like for president to answer

573
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,160
that

574
00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:38,880
» to answer the question. Great question.
Um immediately pending funding and we'd

575
00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:42,720
have to find funding for this. The
electric line program would be a quick

576
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:48,160
expansion because that's something we
need desperately electric cities Duke

577
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:51,599
and our own program. Um the ally or the
uh health sciences building we have a

578
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:56,880
space on the current camp the current
campus as it is for that building. The

579
00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:01,440
next big project would be the regional
workforce development center. There

580
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:05,760
really isn't a timeline for that. So my
guess would be it would probably it was

581
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:10,240
about a $30 million undertaking and so
it would take a little longer to have

582
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:14,480
that happen. So the it would sit there.
Now the unused unusable portion nature

583
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:20,280
trails and outdoor classrooms are pretty
easy to put in. So we would begin using

584
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:20,280
that relatively quickly.

585
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,200
» Okay. All right.
Thank you.

586
00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:29,800
» Thank you.
>> Okay. Any other question for the

587
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,800
attorney?

588
00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:37,839
Commissioner Outlaw? I don't really have
a question. I just want to uh

589
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:44,079
share some information related kind of
piggybacking on what uh Commissioner

590
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:52,319
Wilkins question was or comment was
about the appraisal value.

591
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:57,040
In February of 21,
this board purchased the Edwards

592
00:47:55,119 --> 00:48:02,960
property
which is also adjacent to the community

593
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:08,720
college.
This is in 21. This is prior to

594
00:48:06,319 --> 00:48:14,640
revaluation.
The property was purchased

595
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:19,280
for 37975
per acre. That's per information

596
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:25,200
provided
some time back from uh deputy manager

597
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:29,440
Boone.
The Kumar property we're looking at

598
00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:32,839
today
at 1,950,000

599
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:41,359
for the acreage
is 48946

600
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:50,520
per acre.
That's a difference of 10 971

601
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:50,520
or 28.9%.

602
00:48:52,480 --> 00:49:03,599
What's really important here is
location.

603
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:08,160
It's all about location. It's all about
location.

604
00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:14,559
If you know this location,
you know that the city of Rocky Mount

605
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:18,400
purchased 336
acres

606
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:24,640
adjacent to the community college across
the street from the community college

607
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:33,800
and they paid they've got invested in
that approximately 17 million.

608
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,800
Do the math on that. That's $50,595

609
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:45,520
per acre, which is less than what this
property is costing us, the Kumar

610
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:51,280
property. And as a as kind of a personal
note here, and it may not be apples to

611
00:49:48,640 --> 00:50:02,559
apples, but it's something that's in my
mind. When we completed reevaluation,

612
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:09,440
and that was effective January of 24,
my home, my personal home

613
00:50:06,319 --> 00:50:14,480
value went up
over 80%.

614
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:20,240
And I I dare say that every person in
this room that owns property in Nash

615
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:25,760
County, they may have seen something
similar. Uh

616
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:31,760
my property is not located in a
strategic location like this property

617
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:38,400
is. If my home were sitting on the
reservoir, uh it would be significantly

618
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:44,800
valued higher. So, I want this board to
keep in mind that the cost of this

619
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:50,880
property is very much in line with the
value of property in that area.

620
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:58,000
Also, keep in mind that this property is
contiguous to the community college and

621
00:50:54,400 --> 00:51:02,240
it's the last significant tract of land
that the college could acquire through

622
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:10,000
the board of commissioners for future
expansion of this college. And I hope

623
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:17,599
I hope that this board will have the
foresight to see that the future of Nash

624
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:24,640
Community College rest with the decision
we're making today. Because when this

625
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:30,800
land is gone, it's gone.
And future expansion is going to require

626
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:37,599
costs significantly greater than what
we're looking at today. So I I encourage

627
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:44,240
my fellow colleagues to consider the
fact that we should not be cons so much

628
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:49,119
locked in on price, but we should be
looking at value

629
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:55,040
and the strategic location of this
property makes it

630
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:59,760
tremendously valuable to Nash Community
College and the future growth of the

631
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:05,760
college, which is a shining star in Nash
County. And uh I I know we all want to

632
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:09,760
see that star continue to glow and grow.
So, Mr. Chairman, with that said, I

633
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:15,200
yield back the floor.
>> All right. Thank you. Any other question

634
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:19,760
for the attorney?
>> Uh I have one uh Commissioner Bale up

635
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:25,599
here.
>> Uh maybe I need to address it to

636
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:32,559
Commissioner Outlaw. Is there any
competition for that property

637
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:34,720
that you know of
>> that I know of?

638
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:41,280
» Mhm.
>> The Kumar family has worked exclusively

639
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:48,880
with the county on the purchase of that
property. Uh, I I dare say there would

640
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:54,480
be no difficulty with the family putting
that property on the market and uh it

641
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:59,119
going at a price at or greater than what
we're looking at today. You know, I I

642
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:02,960
know there's there's a piece of property
sitting on the corner there. Joe Bale

643
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:08,880
owns it. I don't know exactly how much
it is, an acre, couple of acres, but uh

644
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:17,280
I've been told I don't know uh because
I'm not an appraiser, but I've been told

645
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:24,160
that that property is worth probably 750
to a million dollars. I don't know. But

646
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:31,520
that land in that area is extremely
valuable, Mr. Bellefield. It's extremely

647
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:37,119
valuable. And when it's gone, it's gone.
Yeah, but that's when you said that,

648
00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:41,119
that's what I was thinking that maybe uh
someone else might be interested in it,

649
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:45,359
too.
>> How would that benefit the community

650
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:50,440
college?
>> That's what we're talking about today,

651
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,440
the community college.

652
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:54,400
» We're talking about acquiring this land.
>> No money

653
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:58,240
» for future.
>> Mr. Chairman, point of order. There's a

654
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:03,280
conversation going on between two
commissioners and it should be addressed

655
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:06,000
to you by one,
Mr. Chairman.

656
00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:09,920
» Commissioner Wilkins, uh, they were
trying to

657
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,960
answer a question.
>> I'm just trying to respond to

658
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:19,440
Commissioner Bfield.
>> All right. Uh, you two gentlemen

659
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:25,119
have any more question?
>> Are are we where are you at in in this

660
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:29,119
process at the present time?
I I I have some things I want to say,

661
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,839
but we have the attorney standing here.
I don't have questions for the attorney.

662
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:36,160
» Okay. All right. Well, we were giving
everybody the opportunity to ask

663
00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:42,400
question
and I can I do have the appraisal. Um

664
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:48,720
just for clarification, it was uh for
for residential 525 hypothetical

665
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:53,680
commercial 775 to 1 million. So that was
that was the figures that the appraisal

666
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:59,559
prov appraisal provided to us.
All right. Uh any other questions?

667
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:10,960
Okay. Hear none. Stand there. Uh
oh, yeah. Uh

668
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:17,040
come back one minute.
All right. And in the contract it says

669
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:22,480
that uh once we uh agree on this that we
have uh what 45 days to inspect the

670
00:55:19,839 --> 00:55:30,640
property and see if it deems feasible
for the use.

671
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:34,160
That that is correct. Um the um the
contract gives us a due diligence

672
00:55:32,319 --> 00:55:39,599
period. Contract has not been signed
right now. Um it it is contingent upon

673
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:44,319
board approval. There also is a 45day
due diligence period. Um, if the board

674
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:48,160
were to vote to approve it and and then
make a decision that it was not suitable

675
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:52,799
for our uses, then they would need to
come back and vote not to continue

676
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:58,720
through with the process.
>> All right. So, uh,

677
00:55:55,839 --> 00:56:03,520
the the question is, do we intend to do
that inspection?

678
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:08,079
Well, that would be in the discretion of
the board as to what the the use of the

679
00:56:06,319 --> 00:56:14,640
prop the best use of the property for
the county would be

680
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:19,119
to direct the staff to do that, I guess.
>> Well, right now it sound like it might

681
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:23,839
not happen unless we approve that to
happen. That correct?

682
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:30,480
» That is correct. for for to move
forward. Um t in a typical real estate

683
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:35,440
transaction like this, the the the buyer
would not want to expend a significant

684
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:42,160
amount of additional funds to conduct
these inspections so far as feasibility

685
00:56:38,319 --> 00:56:46,480
inspections um surveys, etc. until the
property was under contract. Um and so

686
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:52,160
so that's why that provision is in there
to give the county an opportunity to to

687
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:55,680
do further due diligence inspections.
Yes. After we agree.

688
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:59,599
» After you agree, if you would agree to
if you would approve the purchase,

689
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:02,000
right, then that that contract does
provide for that.

690
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:07,760
» Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Do we
intend as a county intend to inspect as

691
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:11,240
buyer the property for the use that we
intended for?

692
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,760
» Mr. Boone.
>> Um,

693
00:57:14,799 --> 00:57:19,520
» I'm sorry, I was trying to review
something.

694
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:23,760
» No, that's okay. Um I we would the
county Does the county have plans to

695
00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:30,000
conduct surveys
um soil test etc on this property after

696
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:33,040
the contract is is um
>> there's probably some minimal amount of

697
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:36,799
due diligence left but we've already
commissioned an environmental assessment

698
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:40,240
of the property to evaluate wetlands
stream buffers

699
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:46,079
» uh that determined there was about 30
acres of usable land in the track. Um so

700
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:51,280
I mean that's the biggest concern is
just the environmental uh issues. Uh but

701
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,920
uh there would be some minimal amount of
due diligence left but I think the

702
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:58,079
biggest issue was the environmental
constraints.

703
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:02,000
» All right. So the environmental
restraints those those have been met as

704
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:05,200
far as you know
>> right

705
00:58:02,799 --> 00:58:11,359
» they can be overcome. There's about that
leaves us about 30 acres of usable land.

706
00:58:07,839 --> 00:58:15,280
So about seven seven and change
>> uh that will be imp backed by wetland

707
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:17,760
and stream buffers.
>> All right.

708
00:58:15,839 --> 00:58:23,040
» And just for clarification, I mean the
contract is the due diligence is not

709
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:27,599
limited to any sort of study. The due
diligence allows the buyer to back out

710
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:30,240
at any time during that due diligence
period.

711
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,760
» Okay.
>> Mr. Chairman, I question.

712
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:40,799
» Uh Commissioner Wil,
>> do we have a Can you give us a dollar

713
00:58:36,319 --> 00:58:47,119
amount? How much Mr. Boom that this or
Mr. Gainner that um all that due

714
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:52,440
diligence cost on top of the 1,950,000?
How much did we pay to have all that

715
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,440
land?

716
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:57,280
» J,
>> I want to I I would like to confirm the

717
00:58:55,520 --> 00:59:00,960
number for you, but we've already paid
for the initial environmental

718
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:06,400
assessment. So, that's that's money the
countyy's already spent as we endeavored

719
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:10,960
uh in this conversation with the Kumars,
but I want to say we maybe spent $20,000

720
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:14,960
or so on the initial due diligence.
>> And you don't have maybe just a rough

721
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:20,960
estimate of what it's going to cost
further for us to do the other

722
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:25,760
» well, in all likelihood that that uh
seven acres or so will be unusable. So,

723
00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:30,319
any design plan will have to take that
into account and avoid impacting those

724
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:35,280
areas. There may be some buffers that
need to be crossed with roadways would

725
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:40,000
require some mitigation. Um, until
they're designed, it's hard to say, but

726
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:44,640
certainly I think 50 $150,000 would be a
reasonable number in terms of buffer

727
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:47,920
impacts. Um, so it's not, you know, in
in terms of the scale of what the county

728
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:52,160
invests in the land. It's not a huge
amount of money. U, but there are some

729
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:56,799
portions of the property that will not
be able to be developed. And as um, Mr.

730
00:59:55,440 --> 01:00:00,799
Honeyut mentioned, you know, they have
plans for walking trails, other kind of

731
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:04,640
environmental elements that they would
uh use that for as part of their

732
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:08,640
development scheme. Uh there's about 30
acres that are usable on that track

733
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:13,680
based on our initial assessment.
>> So So once the county if if the county

734
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:18,000
purchases this land and gifts it to the
college, are we doing all that before we

735
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:22,559
gift it to the college or is the college
going to you're saying that the county

736
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:25,280
is still going to pay for all that
before we gift it to the college? Is

737
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:29,599
that right? I think that would be part
of the development plan and as u Mr.

738
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:33,200
Honeyut mentioned I think the the
community college is going to be looking

739
01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:36,480
to provide uh secure financing for the
project without coming back to the

740
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:39,839
county but I think I heard him say he
couldn't rule that out.

741
01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:47,480
» Okay.
Thank you.

742
01:00:41,359 --> 01:00:47,480
» Okay. Uh any other any other question?

743
01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:54,880
» All right. Uh seeing none
>> Mr. Chairman.

744
01:00:52,880 --> 01:01:00,160
» Yes. I still don't know quite where you
are. Are you getting ready to take a

745
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:03,760
motion? Are we still discussing this
among ourselves?

746
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:09,119
» Well, we were This was part of the
discussion and yes, I was ready to take

747
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:17,680
a motion and uh I wanted everybody to
give their uh opinion or opportunity to

748
01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:25,559
ask uh Dr. Hunut or the attorney
questions that need to be asked.

749
01:01:21,359 --> 01:01:25,559
you have any further question?

750
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:36,880
If not, then
uh we all heard uh the presentation

751
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:40,480
and uh
we know some of the positions that some

752
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:48,960
of you have taken before.
Anyway, uh now is the time to uh

753
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:53,440
uh consider the the motion to accept or
deny the request for the purchase of the

754
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:56,160
adjournant adjacent land to Nashville
Community College.

755
01:01:54,240 --> 01:02:01,200
» Mr. Chair,
>> I move we make a motion to vote to

756
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:04,480
approve purchase. This really should be
just a formality at this point. We've

757
01:02:02,799 --> 01:02:08,559
already took a vote on this in close
session and had a majority of the board

758
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:14,079
vote to move forward with it. We've
already entered a contract with the

759
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:18,480
purchaser. So, I think we need to go
ahead and assist the the college in

760
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:22,640
moving forward and acquiring this space
for additional growth for the county.

761
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:25,599
Our citizens need it.
>> Is there a second to the motion?

762
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:29,680
» Second.
>> Second by Commissioner Outlaw. Any

763
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:31,520
further discussion on the motion?
>> Discussion.

764
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,480
» Okay.
>> I'd like a clarity if I could on the

765
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:39,599
motion.
>> Okay. first is that okay

766
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:43,280
» or the statement was made that we've
already signed the contract.

767
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:45,760
» We haven't signed the contract because
we haven't voted yet. So

768
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:50,640
» correct
>> that that is an incorrect statement and

769
01:02:48,079 --> 01:02:53,200
a point one I think. With that said,
>> Mr. Chair,

770
01:02:51,200 --> 01:03:01,119
» I yield to Commissioner Wilson.
>> Can I clarify my motion? We have took a

771
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:05,920
consensus vote in close session to
purchase this property at the price just

772
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:12,480
mentioned here today that we're asking
to vote on. The sellers have already

773
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:17,359
agreed to those terms of that price and
they have executed and signed a contract

774
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:21,359
and turn it back over to us. General
statutes prevents us from moving forward

775
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:25,920
in close session with this matter.
Therefore, it's here on the agenda today

776
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:30,400
to take a vote publicly as required by
open meetings law. So, at this time, I

777
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:34,079
make a motion that we accept this
contract so that we can execute it and

778
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:39,680
sign it and move forward on the benefit
of the citizens in Nash County.

779
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:46,240
» That's same motion that you made.
>> All right, Mr. Chairman.

780
01:03:42,319 --> 01:03:48,640
» Uh, Commissioner Wilkins had a question
first.

781
01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:55,680
» I don't have a question. I have a
statement. Um, and I thought about this

782
01:03:51,119 --> 01:04:00,480
over the weekend, the past week, and um,
I just want to say I understand the

783
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:06,319
purchase of this land by the county to
give to the college would be an asset to

784
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:10,960
them and it would be an asset to any
entity being that it is being given.

785
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:17,599
However, there are a number of thoughts
that have caused me great trepidation if

786
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:23,680
we did this. Um the asking price for one
by the sellers of 1,950,000

787
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:32,400
is an inconceivable cost that I believe
we should not entertain at 39.86

788
01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:36,079
acres. Let's just divide say 40 into the
1,959,000.

789
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:41,520
And yes, we would be paying a little
over $48,000 per acre. But when you

790
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:50,400
consider that approximately 10 of those
acres are wet lands and say we divide 30

791
01:04:45,839 --> 01:04:56,720
the 30 usable acres into the 1,950,000
we're paying $65,000

792
01:04:52,559 --> 01:05:02,640
an acre and like I said well the
attorney Mr. gainer. I had 550,000 in

793
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:09,039
December. He said 525.
But you know that was in 4 months later

794
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:14,799
that April 2026
we were confronted with the 1,950,000.

795
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:19,200
And yes, they had offered less than the
1,950,000

796
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:26,079
before that if my memory serves me
correctly. and but to keep going up. I

797
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:31,520
just do not believe it is in the best
interest of the taxpayers to pay

798
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:38,799
$1,950,000.
I believe they kept going up, kept going

799
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:46,160
up. And as far as who negotiated,
I mean, what did they negotiate? I feel

800
01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:51,119
like the county will benefit better
keeping that money for our other things

801
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:55,920
like the SNAP program. People are
suffering right now. Things are being

802
01:05:52,720 --> 01:06:01,119
cut. $1,950,000.
Families are hurting. And for us to just

803
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:05,920
give this land away. Are we in the
process of g of buying some land and

804
01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:10,799
giving it away? And yes, I realize it's
the community college and education is

805
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:17,920
important to me and everyone knows that.
But I just come down off the price, you

806
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:22,400
will get my yes vote. But at 1,950,000
when we have families and citizens

807
01:06:19,839 --> 01:06:28,720
hurting, not just in Nash County, across
this state, and we have to find funding

808
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:34,400
for DSS and other programs. I'm sorry.
I'm against it. Thank you.

809
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:37,680
» Okay. Uh, Commissioner Balefield was
next.

810
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:44,960
» Oh, I didn't quite understand
Commissioner How's comments there, but

811
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:50,480
did you say an independent contractor
contract?

812
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:54,559
» No, sir. M Miss Mfield, I my statement
was that we've already voted on this in

813
01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:59,920
close session and the majority of
members of the board agreed to negotiate

814
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:05,520
the price. the m the majority of the
board agreed to enter into a contract

815
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:10,640
with the seller of this property at the
price that we're looking to vote on

816
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:16,400
today in close session. Therefore, a
contract was executed with the seller.

817
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:20,799
It's pending approval openly in the
board today and once we execute that

818
01:07:18,799 --> 01:07:25,599
then it would be moved forward. But at
this point, this was discussed in close

819
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:29,440
session and everything about moving
forward with the current price that

820
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:33,039
we're talking about today was discussed
in closed session agreed upon by the

821
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:36,880
majority of the board. So, this is
really should be just a formality today

822
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:40,720
to approve this in public, which is
required by general statute to move

823
01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:47,599
forward and execute this contract to
secure this land for the future school.

824
01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:53,680
And I understand
the concerns by Commissioner Wilkins,

825
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:58,319
but I mean, it's a large amount of
money. We knew that before we entered

826
01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:02,720
into these discussions and before we
took a vote and agreed to move forward

827
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:07,599
with this, but we've sat up here and
voted for 1.2 million not too long ago

828
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:11,920
for a church to use for parks and wreck.
That's still sitting there. 14 years

829
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:15,599
ago, we bought a 100 acres out on 97 as
a shell building sitting out there that

830
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:21,920
still sitting out there. So, I
understand the investment, but you've

831
01:08:17,839 --> 01:08:25,600
heard today from Dr. Honeyut, the need
for this is here.

832
01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:29,679
And if we're concerned about our
citizens in Nash County, they're going

833
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:34,400
to need additional education to enter
into the workforce to be able to make a

834
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:38,080
decent income.
The prices of land are going up. We

835
01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:43,440
can't control that. as the growth
continues to go, the the price is going

836
01:08:40,719 --> 01:08:47,759
to continue to increase. So, we're doing
a disservice to our citizens by not

837
01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:51,520
providing an educational opportunity for
them to be able to compete in the

838
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:55,920
workforce by limiting the college on
what it can do. Dr. Honeyut has

839
01:08:53,440 --> 01:08:59,839
indicated today clearly that if you go
up, it's going to cost more. If you go

840
01:08:57,839 --> 01:09:03,679
to a satellite location, you got
additional staff cost, the additional

841
01:09:02,159 --> 01:09:08,000
cost of management. You're going to have
duplications

842
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:12,000
in staffing to be able to cover this. So
the the best option for the taxpayers in

843
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:15,679
Ash County is to stay at the same
location

844
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:20,239
and this is the last piece of property
that there's available to purchase to

845
01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:25,120
expand that school at that situ in that
particular location. You've also heard

846
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:29,679
from Commissioner Outlaw the property
across the street, two acres over there

847
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:34,480
is $750 to a million dollars to purchase
two acres. We're getting 30 across the

848
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:38,799
street. I understand part of it cannot
be used to build on, but it also as

849
01:09:36,799 --> 01:09:45,600
mentioned by Dr. Honeyut and Jonathan
Boone can be used for natural paths. It

850
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:50,000
can be used for other outdoor open room
activities but that the college can use

851
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:54,880
and also citizens can partake in in the
county. So, it's a multi-use piece of

852
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:58,920
property. I hope that answers your
question, Commissioner Bfield.

853
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:07,280
» Commissioner Dave,
uh,

854
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:11,120
I do have quite a bit to say about this,
and if you'll bear with me of the board

855
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:14,640
and the citizens,
uh, first of all, I want it known that

856
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:21,120
there's not a bigger supporter on this
board than myself of the community

857
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:26,880
college system. I am a uh example of the
community college system. Uh and I've

858
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:30,560
done quite well in life uh thanks to
what I learned in the community college

859
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:37,520
and I've always supported this community
college every way I could. But on the

860
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:44,159
other hand uh as an elected official
I feel I have to look out for the

861
01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:48,239
taxpayers funding and the money. Uh I
think everybody knows I've always done

862
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:52,000
that. been very passionate about that.
This county is in excellent shape

863
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:57,199
because of the boards in the past that
have felt like I do that is very

864
01:10:54,880 --> 01:11:02,320
important to do things uh as
conservatively as we can.

865
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:08,560
» This particular piece of property is
indeed the last one that is left in this

866
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:14,640
quadrant. But on the other hand, uh the
price that uh was asked for that's

867
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:19,360
asking for and and I want it known that
I haven't supported this in any votes

868
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:23,440
taken in or and they are not really
votes. They are consensus votes is what

869
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:28,960
we call them. They have no meaning to
them because we have to vote on

870
01:11:25,679 --> 01:11:33,760
purchasing land in the public or I I
voted against it every time because the

871
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:38,239
numbers do not make any sense. We've had
this property appraised not one time but

872
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:45,040
two times.
It was appraised uh first in 2020 and

873
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:50,600
that appraisal showed that the property
was worth $350 to $370,000.

874
01:11:51,280 --> 01:12:02,800
It was appraised again in uh December of
25, which took into account the increase

875
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:07,760
in value due to the rebound that was
spoken of. It then appraised for

876
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:14,480
$550,000.
Because it is currently zone residential

877
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:20,080
land. It said if indeed you were to get
it zone commercial, it moved it up to

878
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:26,320
somewhere between $750 and a million
dollars. But folks, we're not talking

879
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:33,280
about 550. We're not talking about 750.
We're not talking about a million. We're

880
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:39,440
talking about $1.95 million.
Uh it's just too much for this land. Uh

881
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:48,000
I personally uh have done this all my
life. I know that land uh will not sell

882
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:55,280
for $1.9 million, 1.95 million to anyone
but Nash County. If this board chooses

883
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:59,360
to move forward with this
current property owner bought the

884
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:04,719
property in 2011,
that's 15 years ago. Just 15 years ago,

885
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:09,679
they paid $135,000
for it or $3,388

886
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:19,600
per acre.
Uh that's a very nice return. Uh a and

887
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:24,480
granted uh it is the piece that's left,
but there's a lot of land in Nash

888
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:29,679
County. We talked about the only 30
acres were usable. The rest of that

889
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:35,199
acreage is in primarily buffer streams
along the Brew Line stream. Uh you can't

890
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:39,840
clear it. You certainly can't, Dr. 100
cup. I don't mean to disagree with you,

891
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:45,440
but you can't put poles uh in in a
buffer. I wish we could sometimes, but

892
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:50,080
uh it it really has no uses other than
potentially the trails that we spoke

893
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:54,000
about and be very careful in doing that
because we're not allowed to clear in

894
01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:59,360
these 50oot buffers on Blue Line
streams. The property does not have

895
01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:04,640
sewer. There's no sewer to the property.
It's going to be a tremendous cost. So,

896
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:09,199
and we everything community college in
Nash County does we do as partners.

897
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:12,880
We've always done that. We will always
have to do that. So, we've got a

898
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:16,320
tremendous cost to get sewer to the
property. Of course, to get sewer to the

899
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:21,920
property, it would have to be annexed
into the city of Rocky Mount. Uh that's

900
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:26,640
not a bad thing. U but again, it would
have to be doing that. And we speak

901
01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:34,000
about the property uh that Rocky Mount
purchased. So I I think 95% of the

902
01:14:30,719 --> 01:14:37,840
people in in Nash County realized as
well as the elected officials in Rocky

903
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:43,679
Mount for the most part that that was a
mistake. They paid an average of uh if

904
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:49,280
you take the whole property in itself,
they paid $47,000 per acre for that

905
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:56,640
land. What we're talking about here is
$65,000 for the usable land.

906
01:14:53,440 --> 01:15:04,800
I also have a problem with the way it
was negotiated. Uh

907
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:08,640
quite frankly, uh we we have a person uh
on our board that negotiated and

908
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:12,719
certainly had no problem with that, but
that person served both boards at the

909
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:17,040
time and I don't know that it was an
armed length transaction. Senate Bill

910
01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:22,800
473
is very clear where it says and it does

911
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:28,800
not apply to the purchase of land. It
applies to nonprofits is what this bill

912
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:33,280
is about. And what it says is
uh it would prevent wood subject to

913
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:38,080
certain exceptions prohibit public
officials from participating in making

914
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:43,920
or administering a contract including
the ward of money. Then it goes on to

915
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:49,040
say for nonprofits,
but I can't help but think the intent of

916
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:54,320
this law was to prevent what we've had
to happen here. Uh it should have been

917
01:15:51,920 --> 01:16:00,239
an independent uh negotiator that
negotiated the price of this land.

918
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:06,560
U
the property is currently zoned R20. Uh

919
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:11,920
therefore, it would certainly have to go
through a reszoning.

920
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:16,480
The property is shaped very linear in
the dimensions of it. A very linear

921
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:22,239
piece of land is much harder to use. And
what I mean by that, it is narrow and it

922
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:25,679
is very deep. Uh you don't get good
utilization. You do not get good

923
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:31,520
utilization of a piece of linear
property like you could if it were more

924
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:36,800
rectangular or more square. Uh which
gives you the most. Uh again, uh Dr.

925
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:42,400
Honey cup. I'll be very careful in
saying this, but

926
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:46,560
multi-story buildings are not more
expensive to build. In fact, we build

927
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:50,159
them anytime because they are somewhat
less expensive to build. So, so it's not

928
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:53,840
an issue with that. But of course, it
brings on elevators. There's no question

929
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:59,440
about that.
And I question the transparent.

930
01:16:57,679 --> 01:17:06,080
We've got board me rumors that
everything they bring up every meeting

931
01:17:02,719 --> 01:17:09,760
is about transparent. transparency.
Uh

932
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:14,640
I've looked at the statutes and I could
not determine and I I think the case

933
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:18,320
answer is no. But if we indeed going to
seriously consider this, we should have

934
01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:23,040
a public hearing on it. The citizens
should be able to weigh in on whether

935
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:29,360
they want
this amount of money applied

936
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:36,880
to a use to buy a piece of land that
appraised at 1/4th of what we're paying

937
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:42,800
for. I can't in my conscious uh go back
to the people in my district that voted

938
01:17:38,719 --> 01:17:46,719
me in and with a straight face justify
why we would have done that. That's why

939
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:51,120
you get appraisals appraisals on
property to start with.

940
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:55,280
Uh so a public hearing should certainly
have been a step we would have taken. I

941
01:17:53,600 --> 01:18:04,760
know it's not a requirement. I don't
think attorney but if it is uh I'd like

942
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:04,760
for you to correct me on that. Uh

943
01:18:05,440 --> 01:18:12,719
the land is is
almost totally wooded. Uh it's only two

944
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:19,679
acres that's cleared on this piece of
land. Uh so you got a pretty substantial

945
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:24,880
cost in addition to the purchase of the
land to get the land where it's usable

946
01:18:22,159 --> 01:18:29,040
in addition to the sewer. And of course
you have the rather large blue line

947
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:32,239
stream running through the middle of the
property from one side to the other.

948
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:37,120
that's going to have to be dealt with.
And truthly, it can be dealt with. We do

949
01:18:34,239 --> 01:18:45,679
it every day. But the short to long of
it is when you look at this, you just

950
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:52,080
have no business paying four times what
two appraisals showed you utilizing

951
01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:57,840
taxpayers money. And I hope this board
uh will understand is and would not

952
01:18:55,360 --> 01:19:01,520
agree for us to enter this contract for
this sales price. Thank you, Mr.

953
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:06,159
chairman.
>> All right.

954
01:19:03,679 --> 01:19:09,520
Any others? Okay.
>> Mr. Chairman, point of clarification

955
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:14,560
from Commissioner Davis.
>> So, is he suggesting that the board

956
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:19,280
going forward anytime we spend or have a
request to spend a dollar matter in this

957
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:23,120
case $1.9 million that we'd hold a
public hearing? If that's the case, is

958
01:19:21,679 --> 01:19:27,679
we going what's the criteria we're going
to use going forward for that? Just out

959
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:32,080
of curiosity, I'm just wondering why
we're proposing that this time.

960
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:37,840
and we voted on several other things in
the past exceeding this and he hasn't

961
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:42,719
entertained a having a public input from
that. Uh we're not going to have that

962
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:48,199
discussion.
All right. That was the statement he

963
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:48,199
made.

964
01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:54,760
All right.
Any other discussion?

965
01:19:55,600 --> 01:20:02,560
Okay. Well, you've heard the motion. the
motion to

966
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:10,920
» Mr. Chairman,
I would like to amend that motion

967
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:10,920
» to table this issue for future.

968
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:25,520
Let's see. All right.
Well,

969
01:20:24,159 --> 01:20:32,080
I think he has to have
>> on the amendment if I get a second.

970
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,960
» Was there a second that?
>> Well, we have a motion on the floor.

971
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:40,800
» There's a motion. He would have to agree
to amend the I'd entertain Commissioner

972
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:43,920
Bedfield's reason for tableing this and
would like to hear what it is in order

973
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:49,400
to decide whether or not I should amend
that motion or not. Mr. here.

974
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,400
» Well,

975
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:57,600
Robert's rules of order. So, once the
motion is approved, uh once once the

976
01:20:54,239 --> 01:21:05,199
motion been second, now it's the board's
the board's motion. And now, uh we

977
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:11,560
listen to the amendment
and whether the board want to agree on

978
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,560
the amendment.

979
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:18,880
I think you would have to vote on the
motion that's been seconded unless the

980
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:23,040
original motion maker agreed to the
amendment

981
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:27,440
is my understanding.
>> Well, that's right.

982
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:32,880
Uh
like I say, the training I went to

983
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:39,360
this past weekend said that once the
motion is made, the the motion and his

984
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:44,000
second is no longer belongs to the
person that made the motion. It belongs

985
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:51,199
to the body.
So the body

986
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:57,040
uh it's the bodies now once a second.
So you correct me on that, Mr. Chair.

987
01:21:53,920 --> 01:22:01,159
Wait, wait, wait a minute. Uh, Mike's
checking on that

988
01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:05,800
and uh

989
01:22:07,679 --> 01:22:18,239
yes, once the motion is made and second,
the it it becomes the body's motion

990
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:24,120
and it doesn't necessarily need to it
need the body's approval to accept the

991
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:24,120
amendment.

992
01:22:24,719 --> 01:22:31,080
Mr. Chairman. Uh, wait a minute.
Commissioner will

993
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:48,120
» just give me one second.
>> Okay.

994
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:56,080
So it does appear that Robert's rules
would allow a proposal for amendment

995
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:59,080
that would have to be voted on by the
board.

996
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:10,880
So
we can proceed with Commissioner

997
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:13,880
Bfield's
amendment.

998
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:21,440
» So he amended the motion that we
>> to discuss the amendment and then they

999
01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:26,320
would vote on the amendment
>> first.

1000
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:33,600
» All right.
Commissioner May made the amendment. Who

1001
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:36,719
second the amendment or that need us
second?

1002
01:24:34,159 --> 01:24:43,239
» Let let me let me clarify with our rules
of procedure real quick before we before

1003
01:24:38,719 --> 01:24:43,239
we do this just to make sure that

1004
01:25:16,719 --> 01:25:21,920
Uh so according to our rules of
procedure, an amendment to a motion must

1005
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:26,000
be germanine to the subject of the
motion but it may not achieve the

1006
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:30,080
opposite effect of the motion. There may
be an amendment to the motion and an

1007
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:35,199
amendment to an amendment
but no further amendments.

1008
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:39,960
Okay. The amendment didn't change the
motion. Amendment as for a delay,

1009
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:50,480
» Mr. Chairman.
>> Wait a minute. Trying to

1010
01:25:46,719 --> 01:25:52,639
» I mean I I don't I mean,
right. The amendment didn't change the

1011
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:57,120
motion.
>> It It would not change It would not

1012
01:25:54,719 --> 01:25:59,760
change the
Well,

1013
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:04,320
» it didn't change the motion. It just
asked for a delay. It it is according to

1014
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:10,239
our rules of procedure. It is germanine
to the subject of the motion.

1015
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:12,480
I I'm I'm agreeing that it should be
permitted according to our rules of

1016
01:26:11,679 --> 01:26:15,920
procedure.
>> The amendment

1017
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:19,760
» the amendment should be considered. Yes,
sir.

1018
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:23,520
» So now I guess we're we're voting on
whether the amendment will be accepted

1019
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:27,159
by the body
to the main motion.

1020
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:31,840
» Point of clarification, Mr. Chair.
>> One minute.

1021
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:35,120
» A second. Right. Right. It would need
the amendment would need to have a

1022
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:39,840
second.
>> Right.

1023
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:41,120
And we would take a vote on the
amendment.

1024
01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:43,360
» Correct.
>> Right.

1025
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:46,360
» All right. Was there a second to the
amendment?

1026
01:26:47,440 --> 01:26:52,040
» All right. Well,
>> I'll second your amendment.

1027
01:26:52,159 --> 01:26:56,080
» All right. Are we in discussion now,
sir?

1028
01:26:55,679 --> 01:26:57,840
» Yeah.
>> The amendment.

1029
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:01,840
» Yeah, we will.
>> We will.

1030
01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:05,520
So again, back to my original question
to Commissioner Befield, I'd just like

1031
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:09,800
to understand what his reasoning is for
tableabling the vote today.

1032
01:27:12,639 --> 01:27:18,800
» I didn't I didn't understand your
question.

1033
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:23,760
» He Well, he asked uh your reason for
wanting to make an amendment to postpone

1034
01:27:22,159 --> 01:27:27,760
the vote at this time.
>> Well Well, I think that that's two

1035
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:34,560
different things. So, so either we're
we're I mean I think that we're either

1036
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:39,520
tableabling it or or amending it in some
way. So, I think that we need to get

1037
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:44,000
clarity from Mr. Bellefield on what what
his proposal is.

1038
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:53,679
» Yeah. Well, my motion was to the
amendment was to table this issue and

1039
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:59,360
maybe bring it back up in a future date.
Could you

1040
01:27:56,239 --> 01:28:02,159
» I second that motion, Mr. Chairman.
>> He's already

1041
01:28:00,159 --> 01:28:05,520
» Well, it already
>> I second it for him.

1042
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:09,280
» Um
>> I thought he I thought he did the

1043
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:14,560
amendment.
>> Yeah, that was that right on the

1044
01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:17,840
amendment. I second his amendment.
>> Uh and now we are having a discussion on

1045
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:23,920
the amendment.
>> Mr. Chairman, the motion was to table

1046
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:28,480
» Mr. Bellefield. Commissioner Belelfford
made a motion to table the um

1047
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:34,560
» right
>> the vote and but that's not the

1048
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:41,040
amendment.
>> I was seconding his motion to table

1049
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:44,800
» it was stated differently but it appears
to me that he is attempting to table the

1050
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:48,080
motion. So we would need to clarify that
for Mr. Bellfield.

1051
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:51,760
» Right.
>> He just stated

1052
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:53,280
» that he was tableabling. He didn't
specify a date.

1053
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:57,360
» Okay.
>> But

1054
01:28:53,760 --> 01:29:02,239
» no, I didn't. Uh
that could come up late. Well, table it

1055
01:29:00,639 --> 01:29:07,520
at least
for further discussion

1056
01:29:04,639 --> 01:29:14,960
and maybe get back with the property
owners and maybe we can work

1057
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:19,480
work out a better deal for for the
interest of the county and the college.

1058
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:27,600
» Mr. Chairman, point of order. When you
table something, it stays on the table

1059
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:30,080
until someone brings it off.
>> Bring it back.

1060
01:29:28,239 --> 01:29:32,000
» No date has to be stated.
>> That's right.

1061
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:35,920
» All right,
>> Mr. Gana, would you confirm or deny

1062
01:29:34,239 --> 01:29:40,520
that?
>> That's correct. But it um

1063
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:47,199
according to the strict Robert's rules
of order, if the motion is not brought

1064
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:53,239
back off the table at the next regular
meeting, then that is it's dead.

1065
01:29:53,360 --> 01:30:00,320
» Okay.
>> And I I'll continue to review our rules

1066
01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:03,320
of procedure as we go through.
>> Uh

1067
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:09,040
Mr. Chair point of clarification if I
may.

1068
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:15,040
» All right.
>> So, I made a motion. It was seconded to

1069
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:20,159
take a vote on this for approving it.
Commissioner Bedfield has made an

1070
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:26,480
amendment to my motion. Not another
motion, but an amendment to my motion.

1071
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:30,800
» Requesting that we table it.
We're now you had a second on that. You

1072
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:36,960
seconded it yourself. So, we're in
discussion. So again, my question is I

1073
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:41,679
just ask Commissioner Bellefield, what's
the reason for tableabling it? Not the

1074
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:47,800
time frame, but just
>> why is he suggesting an amendment to my

1075
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:47,800
motion to table it? Morn

1076
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:59,760
» Well,
he had stated, you know, clarification

1077
01:30:54,960 --> 01:31:05,360
to do two more work on it. But anyway,
>> of order. Yes, but we need to uh we're

1078
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:09,280
discussing the amendment and we need to
take a vote on whether we accept the

1079
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:15,120
amendment
>> in further negotiation.

1080
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:19,679
» All right. And that's my question for
clarification, Mr. Chairman.

1081
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:23,760
No, I mean I may entertain supporting
this as well, but I just would like

1082
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:27,440
clarification on the reasoning behind
it.

1083
01:31:25,679 --> 01:31:33,040
That's all I'm asking. I think that's a
fair question.

1084
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:36,159
further the negotiation.
>> Thank you, sir.

1085
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:40,560
» All right. Point of order.
>> We're discussing the amendment.

1086
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:45,520
Commissioner Davis,
>> if indeed I want to ask the attorney, if

1087
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:50,239
indeed it was a motion to table, my
understanding is a motion to table

1088
01:31:48,719 --> 01:31:52,880
cannot have discussion.
>> That's right.

1089
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:55,360
» That that is correct.
>> So, I don't know how we going to discuss

1090
01:31:54,480 --> 01:31:59,360
that motion.
>> Well, I think

1091
01:31:56,320 --> 01:32:03,760
» but it's amendment. It's you can't
>> I think that the question is is it an

1092
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:07,440
amendment or is it a motion to table?
It's an amendment.

1093
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:09,120
» And I think that that's it was stated as
an amendment.

1094
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:13,760
» Correct.
>> And and we need to get some

1095
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:17,880
clarification of was it a motion to
table or was it an amendment?

1096
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:29,199
» Well, I was amending the original motion
to table it for further negotiation.

1097
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:29,199
» I think it's got it

1098
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:34,080
Is that
>> I think you can amend you can amend the

1099
01:32:33,440 --> 01:32:37,840
motion
>> need to be one or the other

1100
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:43,360
» to I think you can amend the motion to
continue further negotiations

1101
01:32:41,199 --> 01:32:45,040
» or you can table the motion to vote on
it at a later time.

1102
01:32:44,719 --> 01:32:48,480
» Correct.
>> So those would need to be your two

1103
01:32:46,639 --> 01:32:53,199
options. Do you want to amend the motion
to continue the negotiation or do you

1104
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:58,639
want to vote on it? Do do you want to
make a motion to table the motion to

1105
01:32:55,679 --> 01:33:05,679
take it up no later than the next
meeting?

1106
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:11,960
» Further negotiation. If that can be done
before our next meeting, then we bring

1107
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:11,960
it back up next meeting.

1108
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:24,320
» So, so do you want to restate your
amendment?

1109
01:33:19,679 --> 01:33:27,840
Uh I offer amendment to table
uh this issue.

1110
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:32,719
» You you can't you can't offer an
amendment to table and have discussion.

1111
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:37,600
If you want to table it to the next
meeting, then you should table.

1112
01:33:34,159 --> 01:33:42,239
» Okay. Well, I my amendment is to table
until the next meeting.

1113
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:46,719
» Well, that's that would not be an
amendment. That would be a motion to

1114
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:49,719
table. At which point there would be no
discussion.

1115
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:54,440
Okay. All right.

1116
01:33:55,920 --> 01:34:02,239
All right. So,
>> on said that

1117
01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:03,440
» then we have a mo
>> a

1118
01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:07,840
» motion to
>> a motion to

1119
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:11,679
» miss Mr. Chairman. Motion to table this
until our next meeting.

1120
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:15,600
» Second the motion.
>> Already got a second.

1121
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:19,520
That was
>> all right.

1122
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:23,120
So now we're going to vote on the
amendment.

1123
01:34:21,440 --> 01:34:26,239
» We're not talking about an amendment.
There's a motion.

1124
01:34:23,679 --> 01:34:30,960
» I mean a motion. The motion the table.
>> Okay.

1125
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:36,639
» So that would need to be voted on
>> without discussion.

1126
01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:39,840
» Mr. Chair, question for attorney. Which
motion are we voting on? Since there's

1127
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:44,560
two motions on the floor now.
>> There are two motion. There are three

1128
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:49,600
motions on the floor actually. He he
well there's two and then there's your

1129
01:34:47,199 --> 01:34:54,560
motion which was seconded properly
seconded. Mr. Bellefield made it a

1130
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:58,800
motion to amend and he revised that to
make a motion to table. So we are voting

1131
01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:04,040
and that was seconded. So we're voting
on the motion to table your motion.

1132
01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:13,239
» All right.
Call for a vote.

1133
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:21,440
What discussion?
>> I'd like to make a comment. I don't know

1134
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:26,960
if discussion I'm confused as to whether
it's appropriate or not.

1135
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:34,320
» Well, if you're if you're discussing the
motion to table, that's not permiss not

1136
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:37,360
permitted. But if you I guess a point of
legal clarification that would be up to

1137
01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:41,199
the chair.
>> Yeah. Uh,

1138
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:45,400
» could I ask for that point of legal
clarification from the attorney?

1139
01:35:49,679 --> 01:35:56,239
» That would be up to you.
>> Well,

1140
01:35:54,400 --> 01:36:01,040
we're going to vote on the motion to
table and see where that goes.

1141
01:35:58,719 --> 01:36:06,239
» My question is simple. You've got a
motion on the floor. You keep adding

1142
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:11,120
motions. So, if we're going to do that,
then I want to make another motion that

1143
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:15,199
we vote on the original motion.
>> Well, he made a motion to table. He

1144
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:18,880
amended his a motion to amend and make
it a motion to table. So, there can't be

1145
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:23,280
any discussion on that and that was
seconded. So, that needs to be voted.

1146
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:26,880
» Well, I'm I'm confused about
the negotiation because let me be very

1147
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:30,159
clear.
>> I don't think the motion to table as a

1148
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:32,560
permits discussion.
>> Yeah.

1149
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:37,280
» I'm making a comment. I'm not discussing
>> that motion to the chair.

1150
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:40,840
» Mr. Chair, may I make that comment?
>> Well, we

1151
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:47,679
there's amendment. Well, there's
>> nothing as a courtesy.

1152
01:36:44,239 --> 01:36:51,360
» I know a motion to table it so that we
can have this discussion more.

1153
01:36:50,719 --> 01:36:55,440
» It can happen.
>> That's the purpose of that.

1154
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:59,040
» There's no discussion allowed question,
Mr. Chairman.

1155
01:36:56,480 --> 01:37:03,840
» Right.
That's the purpose of amendment. so we

1156
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:07,199
can come back and discuss it and vote on
it.

1157
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:11,440
All right,
you've heard the amendment.

1158
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:13,920
» So, are you are you refusing me the
courtesy of making a comment regarding

1159
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:22,719
this?
>> I'm trying to follow a basic uh Robert's

1160
01:37:17,679 --> 01:37:29,040
rules of order. uh the is to try to come
back and make a to carry out the men to

1161
01:37:26,639 --> 01:37:32,800
carry out the motion to table it so that
we can have further discussion.

1162
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:39,280
» Well, if we were doing that on recent
meetings, we've had at least two motions

1163
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:44,320
that were amended and we determined that
the presenter of the original motion did

1164
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:50,960
not accept the amendment and we did not
allow the amendment.

1165
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:56,080
» No. Well, that wasn't
once the motion once the motion is made

1166
01:37:52,880 --> 01:38:02,320
and then it's second. I bet it becomes
the motion of the body. So, I got to

1167
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:06,080
call a motion for uh a vote on the
amendment

1168
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:10,880
» to vote on the tableing of the motion.
>> Yes. Just for clarification,

1169
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:16,400
» right?
So you heard the the motion to table

1170
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:20,400
until is that going to be our September
meeting?

1171
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:22,080
All in favor of the motion, let it be
known by saying I.

1172
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:24,159
» I.
>> I.

1173
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:30,840
» All oppose.
>> No. No.

1174
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:30,840
» Uh raise hand for no.

1175
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:35,760
» Wait.
>> Raise hand for what?

1176
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:40,000
I said all all those who are in favor of
not

1177
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:47,199
all those opposed
to tableabling it

1178
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:53,000
uh raise your hand. All those who
opposed to tableabling it raise your

1179
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:53,000
hand.

1180
01:38:53,280 --> 01:39:01,920
All right. So there's a for vote to not
table it. So the the amendment did not

1181
01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:05,280
pass. So, you're back to the original
motion.

1182
01:39:03,679 --> 01:39:06,800
» You're back to M Mr. Pow,
>> right? We're back to the original

1183
01:39:06,480 --> 01:39:09,040
motion.
>> What about the second one?

1184
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:15,920
» All right.
>> It's okay. Now, the motion is that we

1185
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:22,239
accept this uh
purchase of the land agreement.

1186
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:27,199
Uh any further discussion on the motion?
All right. Commissioner How?

1187
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:32,239
» I want I want to be very clear about
this.

1188
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:37,440
Uh, Commissioner Davis spoke of
negotiation

1189
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:44,239
on this contract.
I was the point person.

1190
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:51,760
I did not negotiate anything with the
Kumar family. Every close session

1191
01:39:47,679 --> 01:39:57,280
meeting we had, this board was in total
agreement, the majority, with what we

1192
01:39:54,400 --> 01:40:02,960
were doing. And my simple piece in that
was to be the point person to

1193
01:39:59,440 --> 01:40:08,719
communicate what this board majority
recommended to the Kumar family. And in

1194
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:15,040
our last meeting where we had consensus
vote majority where members of this

1195
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:21,360
board voted that we would accept this
price under these conditions and then we

1196
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:26,560
that was needed so our attorney could do
the work he needed to do to prepare the

1197
01:40:24,239 --> 01:40:31,679
contract. And so the Kumar family could
do the same thing on their end of this

1198
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:37,199
contract. And so the community college
could do the same thing with its naming

1199
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:42,960
rights responsibilities. So, uh, that's
that's somewhat of an error to say that

1200
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:48,239
I negotiated this contract. I took what
this board supported and I signed the

1201
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:53,440
letter or the manager sent the letter to
the family stating what this board

1202
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:58,400
agreed to do. So, I want that to be
very, very clear. And the second thing I

1203
01:40:55,600 --> 01:41:03,440
want to say is if we table this today,
which that's all that vote's been taken,

1204
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:07,840
what is to be accomplished? I'm not
going back to the family and negotiate

1205
01:41:05,440 --> 01:41:12,800
anything. If this board wishes to do
what they've done in the past to change

1206
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:17,199
the parameters for this contract, then
this board will determine that and that

1207
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:21,760
letter will be sent to the family and
they'll either accept it or deny. I have

1208
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:27,360
nothing to do in terms of that
negotiation. So, I want to be very clear

1209
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:30,400
on that matter.
>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1210
01:41:28,639 --> 01:41:35,040
» All right. Any other discussion on the
motion,

1211
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:39,840
» Mr. Chair?
Commissioner How?

1212
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:43,199
I tell you, this is a struggle sitting
up here just going through this when

1213
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:47,520
it's supposed to be a formality and
people want to make it about money and

1214
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:53,119
this and the other. The decisions
already been made. We've already drawn

1215
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:57,760
up a contract. We've paid legal fees.
We've agreed in close session to move

1216
01:41:55,679 --> 01:42:02,960
forward with this. We have a executed
contract on behalf of the seller that

1217
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:10,239
was already agreed to at the negotiated
price. This should be a simple formality

1218
01:42:06,159 --> 01:42:14,560
to move forward. Um
I I just I urge my fellow commissioners

1219
01:42:12,639 --> 01:42:20,480
to do the right thing here. I I think
it's pretty clear and if not, I mean, so

1220
01:42:18,639 --> 01:42:24,400
be it. as uh Commissioner Davis said,
they they voted some in. I guess they

1221
01:42:22,239 --> 01:42:27,280
can vote some out. So, thank you, Mr.
Chair.

1222
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:32,080
» Mr. Chair, Mr. Chairman,
>> Commissioner Le.

1223
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:36,800
» Okay. Thank you. Um, you know, I
understand there's been been a lot of

1224
01:42:34,480 --> 01:42:41,600
discussion up here today and there's
different points of view. No, this has

1225
01:42:39,199 --> 01:42:46,320
not been a unanimous process all the way
through. There's there's different

1226
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:52,719
feelings on this and um no, I don't
think this is the best deal the county

1227
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:58,320
has ever gotten on land. Um but this is
about supporting our community college.

1228
01:42:55,440 --> 01:43:04,639
I mean I I don't I I think the price is
a little bit too high. Uh yes, but yes,

1229
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:08,480
I think that we should pursue this to
support the community college and give

1230
01:43:06,239 --> 01:43:12,320
them the room for expansion that they're
going to need.

1231
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:14,239
» Thank you.
All right,

1232
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:18,159
» Mr. Chairman,
>> Commissioner Wilin,

1233
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:23,360
» I just want to say in regard to what uh
Commissioner Howell said, it hadn't

1234
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:29,920
already been decided just because the
county did its due diligence and doing

1235
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:36,239
their background into the land and
whatnot. But here again, we did our due

1236
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:42,320
diligence. That wasn't a rubber stamp.
$1,950,000

1237
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:48,159
again for that land is outrageous. And
to have the citizens of Nash County, the

1238
01:43:45,440 --> 01:43:52,239
taxpayers paying it and that's not going
to be the end. Again, we have other

1239
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:57,360
costs that are going to come into it
before it's transferred to the college.

1240
01:43:55,360 --> 01:44:04,000
And so
again, I I will not be voting for this

1241
01:44:00,159 --> 01:44:11,840
in the interest of Nash County taxpayers
and what I see coming down the stream

1242
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:18,400
for our citizens who need funding or
need help with their everyday living. So

1243
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:23,320
thank you.
>> All right. Any other discussion on the

1244
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:23,320
motion?

1245
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:31,480
Just a point of clarification, Mr.
Chairman.

1246
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:31,480
» Directed to our attorney,

1247
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:40,480
» Mr. Gainer, were you advised by the
majority of the board in close session

1248
01:44:37,199 --> 01:44:44,000
to proceed and execute a contract for
the agreed upon amount that we're voting

1249
01:44:42,639 --> 01:44:46,080
on today?
>> Um,

1250
01:44:44,639 --> 01:44:49,920
» by the majority of the board,
>> Commissioner How? Uh, what we do in

1251
01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:53,119
close session is close session.
>> No, sir. per general statute once we

1252
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:58,960
bring it out to public.
>> General statute, we are going to vote on

1253
01:44:55,679 --> 01:45:04,400
this matter today and question the
attorney on who done what in the closed

1254
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:09,360
session is is not at should be discussed
at this time. Uh I I just

1255
01:45:07,119 --> 01:45:14,159
» point of order sir
directed to the attorney. Am I correct

1256
01:45:11,440 --> 01:45:17,679
in my statement sir that once an item
gun is posted on the agenda

1257
01:45:16,159 --> 01:45:20,239
» those items can be discussed. It was
discussed in close session per general

1258
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:26,880
statute
>> under open meeting law.

1259
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:31,199
» I I would say that the the closed
session is for the purpose of

1260
01:45:28,239 --> 01:45:39,679
negotiating the terms of the agreement.
Um I I there there are some question

1261
01:45:35,199 --> 01:45:44,560
about um what should be revealed from
the close session based on the rule per

1262
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:49,600
the rules of conduct the code of conduct
that the commissioners executed and

1263
01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:54,400
signed. So I I'm I'm not at liberty to
discuss that. Um that would be up to the

1264
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:59,040
chair whether he wants to permit that or
not because there is a code of conduct

1265
01:45:56,480 --> 01:46:02,400
that that clo what happens in close
session would not be discussed. So

1266
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:06,239
clarification, does general statute
override conduct or does conduct

1267
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:11,199
override general statute? Which order we
follow?

1268
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:17,360
» Call for the vote.
>> Commissioner, how we uh we need to move

1269
01:46:14,239 --> 01:46:22,080
forward and like say what happened in
close session is close session business.

1270
01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:24,960
That's why we do everything that we do.
>> I challenge that and just ask for

1271
01:46:23,679 --> 01:46:29,199
clarification. Mr. Chairman,
>> you going to need to go someplace else

1272
01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:32,480
to do that.
>> Okay.

1273
01:46:30,719 --> 01:46:39,440
Uh
there's now time for the vote. Uh all in

1274
01:46:36,639 --> 01:46:45,119
favor of the purchase of the land
adjacent to the Nash Community College,

1275
01:46:42,639 --> 01:46:51,280
let it be known by
raising your right hand.

1276
01:46:48,239 --> 01:46:54,520
All right, I'm going to vote for it.
All oppose.

1277
01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:59,000
All right, motion carries.

1278
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:06,639
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
>> All right,

1279
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:12,000
we will now move to our next item of
business,

1280
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:18,360
which is
public hearing. Uh,

1281
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:18,360
Mr. Tyson,

1282
01:47:25,199 --> 01:47:29,920
» good morning.
>> Good morning. Hi.

1283
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:34,960
» This is the first of four planning
related public hearings on the board's

1284
01:47:31,679 --> 01:47:39,520
agenda this morning. Uh this is a
conditional resoning request for a

1285
01:47:37,199 --> 01:47:46,880
self-s storage warehouse facility to be
located on South NC Highway 231.

1286
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:52,560
The subject property, which is shown on
the map outlined in red, is

1287
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:58,320
approximately 4.69 69 acres along the
front of a larger 54 acre tract of land

1288
01:47:55,679 --> 01:48:03,280
owned by Travis Felts. This is the
larger 54 acre tract of land. And then

1289
01:48:01,679 --> 01:48:10,719
of course the portion that is up for
reszoning is this front corner outlined

1290
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:16,239
in red. This is at 2260 South NC Highway
231 Middle Sex. This is in western Nash

1291
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:21,119
County. It is southwest of the town of
Nashville, north of the Samaria

1292
01:48:18,239 --> 01:48:26,000
Crossroads. And if you see the green
color on the zoning map on the right

1293
01:48:23,679 --> 01:48:31,119
hand side of the screen, this whole area
is zone A1 agricultural.

1294
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:35,840
The rear portion of this subject
property was previously approved for the

1295
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:41,280
operation of a land clearing and inert
debris or LCID landfill through the

1296
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:47,040
issuance of a special use permit by the
Nash County Board of Adjustment back in

1297
01:48:43,679 --> 01:48:52,400
May of last year. An LCID landfill is a
commercial disposal facility for

1298
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:57,280
non-hazardous materials like yard waste,
soil, untreated wood, brick, and

1299
01:48:54,960 --> 01:49:01,360
unpainted concrete.
Per the conditions of that permit, the

1300
01:48:59,119 --> 01:49:06,400
landfill is surrounded and screened by
earth and BMS that are scheduled to be

1301
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:12,080
planted with vegetation this fall.
There's also a smaller vegetated

1302
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:17,119
screening burm required along Highway
231

1303
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:20,639
on the front of the larger property.
This request has been submitted by the

1304
01:49:18,639 --> 01:49:25,840
property owner, Mr. Phelps, to reszone
the property to an RCCZ, rural

1305
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:29,920
commercial conditional zone for the
development of a self-s storage

1306
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:34,000
warehouse facility.
The conditional nature of this request

1307
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:39,840
allows for the attachment of reasonable
sightsp specific development conditions

1308
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:45,040
with the consent of the applicant.
The proposed site plan that you see here

1309
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:51,040
has been prepared by StockX Engineering.
And again, this is the LCID landfill.

1310
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:56,000
The area we're focused on reszoning this
morning is this front corner that

1311
01:49:53,679 --> 01:50:01,360
depicts a gated and graveled facility
with seven self-s storage warehouse

1312
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:06,000
buildings that total up to over 48,000
square ft of storage area. There's also

1313
01:50:04,159 --> 01:50:11,040
an area designated there for a
stormwater control measure as needed.

1314
01:50:08,639 --> 01:50:17,040
And all of this is behind an existing
vegetative screening berm that runs

1315
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:24,320
along the highway here uh as a condition
of the LCID landfield. Uh but this

1316
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:29,520
facility will also be behind that BM
or behind the screening buffer. This

1317
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:34,000
site plan also uh as I said includes the
LCID landfill on the back. There's a

1318
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:40,880
related gate house on the entrance
driveway. Uh, also on this property, the

1319
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:46,719
applicant is planning a landscaping
supply business over on the right side

1320
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:51,600
of the entrance drive. Um, that would be
north of the self- storage facility.

1321
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:56,960
That is a land use that is permitted by
Wright in the A1 zoning district. And so

1322
01:50:54,239 --> 01:51:01,360
that area does not need to be reszoned,
but it is shown for context to this

1323
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:05,520
morning that when you come in the
entrance drive, you will have the mini

1324
01:51:03,119 --> 01:51:10,719
storage to the left, the landscape
supply business, and its parking to the

1325
01:51:07,679 --> 01:51:14,480
right, and then the LCID landfill in the
back.

1326
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:19,440
All three of these commercial land uses,
as I stated, will be accessed from the

1327
01:51:16,480 --> 01:51:23,360
highway using the same shared driveway
point.

1328
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:28,639
As with all resonance, we are required
by state law to review its compliance

1329
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:33,280
with our comprehensive land use plan.
This request is generally consistent

1330
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:39,199
with the plan's recommendations for
establishing a non-residential land use

1331
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:44,000
in this residential agricultural area.
And you can see on this excerpt from the

1332
01:51:41,119 --> 01:51:48,800
future land use map that the area is
designated green as a residential

1333
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:52,159
agricultural area. is consistent with
the plan's recommendations because

1334
01:51:50,480 --> 01:51:56,960
number one, the subject property has
frontage along and direct access to

1335
01:51:54,480 --> 01:52:01,360
Highway 231, which is a major state
highway. Number two, the subject

1336
01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:06,320
property is located less than a/4 mile
from the intersection of South NC

1337
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:10,639
Highway 231 and another statemaintained
secondary road, Burgess Road, to the

1338
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:15,599
south. Number three, the subject
property is in close proximity to other

1339
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:20,400
commercial land uses, specifically the
immediately adjacent landfill and the

1340
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:26,000
proposed landscaping supply business,
both of which are on the same larger

1341
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:30,080
tract of land as this mini storage.
Number four, the subject property does

1342
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:34,000
not have significant spatial separation
from the existing single family

1343
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:39,440
dwellings that are located directly
across the highway as recommended by the

1344
01:52:36,639 --> 01:52:45,280
plan, but the existing vegetated burm
along the road will help to mitigate the

1345
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:49,040
overall visual impact of the facility.
Number five, the conditional nature of

1346
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:54,000
the resoning request and the limitations
of the proposed site plan will restrict

1347
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:59,040
the self-s storage warehouse facility to
a context appropriate scale.

1348
01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:04,480
This request may be considered
reasonable in the public interest and

1349
01:53:01,119 --> 01:53:09,119
not unreasonable spot zoning because the
larger tract of land has already been

1350
01:53:06,480 --> 01:53:14,320
approved for commercial use as an LCID
landfield

1351
01:53:10,719 --> 01:53:18,560
and a landscape and supply business. And
number two, a self-s storage warehouse

1352
01:53:16,239 --> 01:53:22,800
is traditionally a relatively low impact
commercial land use that provides a

1353
01:53:20,639 --> 01:53:27,280
service to the community while typically
generating only limited traffic and low

1354
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:31,199
noise levels that can be reasonably
compatible with surrounding residential

1355
01:53:29,679 --> 01:53:36,560
development.
The TRC considered this request back on

1356
01:53:34,239 --> 01:53:40,880
May 28th and recommended approval
subject to the development conditions

1357
01:53:38,159 --> 01:53:45,520
that are suggested in the staff report.
The planning board considered this

1358
01:53:42,320 --> 01:53:49,040
request on June 15th. Mr. Kevin Varnell
with Stocks Engineering addressed the

1359
01:53:47,119 --> 01:53:52,480
board on behalf of the applicant and in
support of the request and no other

1360
01:53:51,119 --> 01:53:56,400
members of the public addressed the
board regarding the request at that

1361
01:53:54,320 --> 01:54:01,440
meeting. The planning board voted
unanimously to recommend approval again

1362
01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:07,119
subject to the development conditions
that are suggested below. In the staff

1363
01:54:04,639 --> 01:54:12,800
report, you have a motion to approve the
zoning map amendment as well as a motion

1364
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:19,040
to deny the zoning map amendment. Both
are accompanied by uh statements of plan

1365
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:26,239
consistency and reasonleness.
Under the motion to approve, there are

1366
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:29,599
six development standards. Number one,
if approved, the property should be

1367
01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:33,840
developed as a self-s storage warehouse
facility only, only in compliance with

1368
01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:38,000
the approved site plan and the
requirements of our unified development

1369
01:54:35,679 --> 01:54:42,320
ordinance. Number two, any outdoor
lighting at the facility should be

1370
01:54:39,599 --> 01:54:47,360
located, angled, shielded, or limited in
intensity to cast no direct light upon

1371
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:51,280
adjacent properties.
Number three, the 50- foot wide

1372
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:55,440
vegetative screening BM located along
231 shall be maintained in compliance

1373
01:54:53,840 --> 01:55:00,400
with the conditions of the previously
issued special use permit for the

1374
01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:04,960
landfill located behind the subject
property. Number four lists the other

1375
01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:08,880
approvals that would be required prior
to construction of the facility,

1376
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:14,159
including erosion and sedimentation
control plan approval, a driveway

1377
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:19,440
permit, storm water permit, zoning
permit, building and trade permits.

1378
01:55:17,679 --> 01:55:23,520
Obviously, if there are any significant
or substantial modifications or

1379
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:28,560
revisions to the site plan following
approval, then at my discretion as a

1380
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:33,599
zoning administrator, it may require
further review by the TRC, the planning

1381
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:37,760
board, and the board of commissioners.
And this conditional zoning map

1382
01:55:35,599 --> 01:55:42,159
amendment would be invalid unless and
until the petitioners consent in writing

1383
01:55:40,159 --> 01:55:46,639
to all the development conditions that
are attached today including those that

1384
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:51,840
are listed in the agenda or any others
that may be added during the board

1385
01:55:48,639 --> 01:55:56,639
discussion. Uh with that I will pause
and take any questions that the board

1386
01:55:53,679 --> 01:56:03,560
has on the staff report before we open
the public hearing.

1387
01:55:59,119 --> 01:56:03,560
» Any question for Mr. Tyson?

1388
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:10,239
Seeing none, is there a motion to go
into public hearing? So move, sir.

1389
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:14,719
» Second.
>> Moved by Commissioner Howell, second by

1390
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:18,639
Commissioner Outlaw. We go in the public
hearing. Any further discussion? All in

1391
01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:20,159
favor of the motion, let it be known by
saying I.

1392
01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:25,679
» I.
>> All oppose. Motion carrot. We are now in

1393
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:32,080
a public hearing on the reszoning
request for the self storage warehouse

1394
01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:35,239
facility on Highway 231. Anyone wishing
to speak?

1395
01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:40,159
Seeing none, uh, can I get a motion to
close the public hearing?

1396
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:46,560
» Some move.
>> A move by Commissioner Leot. Second.

1397
01:56:44,639 --> 01:56:50,000
» Second by Commissioner uh, Balefield
that we close the public hearing.

1398
01:56:48,719 --> 01:56:51,760
» All in favor of the motion, let it be
known by saying I.

1399
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:58,320
» I.
>> All opposed. Motion carried. We'll come

1400
01:56:54,880 --> 01:57:05,159
back into uh, regular session. Uh any
further discussion by the board to

1401
01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:05,159
uh Mr. Tyson?

1402
01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:12,800
Seeing none, is there a motion to uh
approve or disapprove the resoning

1403
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:19,000
request?
>> Mr. Chair, I make a motion we approve

1404
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:19,000
the zoning map,

1405
01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:26,320
» the conditions, right?
>> You mean reading the whole motion?

1406
01:57:24,320 --> 01:57:29,599
» Yeah. I make a motion that I move that
Nash County Board of Commissioners adopt

1407
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:34,320
the statement of planning consistency
and reasonleness below and approve

1408
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:39,440
conditional reszoning request for CZ
26601

1409
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:42,800
to reszone the pified property to an
RCCZ

1410
01:57:41,040 --> 01:57:47,679
for the development of a self- storage
warehouse facility subject to develop

1411
01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:50,800
conditions attached.
>> All right, you heard the motion and and

1412
01:57:50,239 --> 01:57:55,760
second.
>> Second,

1413
01:57:52,480 --> 01:58:00,400
» Commissioner Wilin. All right. Uh any
further discussion on the motion?

1414
01:57:58,880 --> 01:58:02,560
Seeing none, all in favor of the motion,
let it be known by saying I.

1415
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:10,800
» I.
>> All oppose. Motion carrot.

1416
01:58:07,199 --> 01:58:17,119
Okay, we will go to our next item.
Uh number 11,

1417
01:58:14,639 --> 01:58:23,599
Mr. Tyson. That's the self storage
building on Stony Hill Church Road. This

1418
01:58:20,400 --> 01:58:28,480
is a similar request in that it is also
for a self- storage warehouse facility.

1419
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:33,119
The subject property again is
highlighted in red on the maps before

1420
01:58:30,239 --> 01:58:40,480
you. This is a collection of three
adjacent lots totaling 1.87 acres. It's

1421
01:58:37,199 --> 01:58:45,040
owned by Service Central LLC and located
at the northeast corner of the

1422
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:50,880
intersection of South NC Highway 581 and
Stony Hill Church Road north of the town

1423
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:55,920
of Bailey. The property, as you can see
in on the right hand side of your

1424
01:58:52,960 --> 01:59:02,239
screen, is zoned R40 single family
residential currently. Uh I would note

1425
01:58:59,119 --> 01:59:06,880
that the new boundary does not conform
necessarily to the boundaries of the

1426
01:59:04,080 --> 01:59:12,639
three parcels on our tax map, but that's
because it is based on uh more recent,

1427
01:59:10,159 --> 01:59:20,880
more accurate survey data. So, these
three parcels actually do fit inside the

1428
01:59:16,639 --> 01:59:25,040
red parcel when mapped correctly.
This request has been submitted by the

1429
01:59:23,119 --> 01:59:28,800
property owner to reszone the property
to RCCZ

1430
01:59:27,119 --> 01:59:32,639
for the development of a self- storage
warehouse facility. This again is a

1431
01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:37,599
conditional reszoning that allows for
the attachment of conditions.

1432
01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:42,480
This is the site plan that's been
submitted by StockX Engineering. It

1433
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:47,040
depicts a fenced and graveled facility
with four self- storage warehouse

1434
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:52,880
buildings, three vehicle parking spaces,
a storm water management area, and then

1435
01:59:49,599 --> 01:59:58,080
along the north side back here, a 25- ft
wide planted vegetative screening buffer

1436
01:59:55,280 --> 02:00:02,159
to consist of trees and shrubs that
would screen that facility from the

1437
01:59:59,840 --> 02:00:08,960
immediately adjacent residence to the
north. Um the proposed driveway access

1438
02:00:05,599 --> 02:00:14,320
to the site is located off of Stony Hill
Church Road. Uh we've had significant

1439
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:19,520
conversations with NC DOT and they've
confirmed that that is their preferred

1440
02:00:17,119 --> 02:00:29,199
access point uh given the amount of
traffic on um Highway 581 there.

1441
02:00:26,159 --> 02:00:34,560
When we review the future land use map,
again, this area is designated as

1442
02:00:31,119 --> 02:00:38,880
residential agricultural area. And so
this request is generally consistent

1443
02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:43,599
with the recommendations of the plan
because number one, the property has

1444
02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:47,920
frontage along and direct access to both
the major state highway and Stony Hill

1445
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:52,560
Church Road, a state maintained
secondary road. Number two, this time

1446
02:00:50,239 --> 02:00:56,960
the property is located immediately at
the intersection of those two roads.

1447
02:00:55,199 --> 02:01:01,280
Number three, the subject property is in
close proximity to other already

1448
02:00:58,880 --> 02:01:08,480
existing commercial land uses.
Specifically, the adjacent property to

1449
02:01:05,199 --> 02:01:12,880
the right or to the east that is uh
purple that is a property zone for

1450
02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:18,480
outdoor storage of equipment and
accessory buildings. There is an

1451
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:24,400
insurance office here to the south
across the street. um that's existing.

1452
02:01:22,080 --> 02:01:30,159
Uh and just to the south, a little
further, there's a retail store um

1453
02:01:27,599 --> 02:01:34,400
already existing here. Number four, the
subject property does not have

1454
02:01:31,840 --> 02:01:39,760
significant spatial separation from the
surrounding residentially zoned and used

1455
02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:43,920
properties. Uh but again, as stated,
there will be a significant vegetative

1456
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:49,920
screening buffer along the north side
between the facility and the nearest

1457
02:01:45,760 --> 02:01:53,840
home to mitigate the overall impact.
and the conditional nature of the

1458
02:01:51,599 --> 02:01:58,320
resoning and the relatively small size
of the property will effectively limit

1459
02:01:56,080 --> 02:02:03,360
the development of the facility to a
context appropriate scale. This request

1460
02:02:01,520 --> 02:02:07,679
may be considered reasonable in the
public interest and not spot zoning

1461
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:11,679
because number one, this particular
intersection has previously been

1462
02:02:09,599 --> 02:02:15,920
identified for commercial development
through the establishment of the

1463
02:02:13,119 --> 02:02:20,560
existing RC rural commercial zoning
district that you see here in this

1464
02:02:17,920 --> 02:02:25,360
pinkish color. Number two, a self-s
storage warehouse facility. Again, is a

1465
02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:29,599
relatively low impact land use that
provides a service while typically

1466
02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:34,400
generating only limited traffic and low
low noise levels and that can be

1467
02:02:32,080 --> 02:02:37,599
reasonably compatible with surrounding
dwellings.

1468
02:02:36,320 --> 02:02:41,280
The technical review committee
considered this on May 28th and

1469
02:02:39,440 --> 02:02:46,239
recommended approval subject to
development conditions. The planning

1470
02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:49,760
board considered this on June 15th. Mr.
Andrew Stocks with Stocks Engineering

1471
02:02:48,159 --> 02:02:53,599
addressed the board at that meeting on
behalf of the applicant and in support

1472
02:02:51,360 --> 02:02:58,000
of the request. There were no other
members of the public who wish to

1473
02:02:55,599 --> 02:03:02,239
address the board at that meeting and
the planning board voted unanimously to

1474
02:02:59,920 --> 02:03:06,239
recommend approval. Again, subject to
the development conditions.

1475
02:03:04,480 --> 02:03:11,360
Again, you have motions to approve or
deny accompanied by statements of plan

1476
02:03:08,719 --> 02:03:18,480
consistency and reasonleness.
Um, this has uh very similar conditions

1477
02:03:15,360 --> 02:03:24,239
to the previous case and so I won't read
those aloud. Um, but I will gladly take

1478
02:03:22,320 --> 02:03:29,040
any questions that the board has on the
staff report before we move into the

1479
02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:33,480
public hearing on this matter.
>> All right. Any questions for Mr. Tyson?

1480
02:03:34,480 --> 02:03:39,679
» Seeing none, is there a motion to go
into public hearing on this?

1481
02:03:38,560 --> 02:03:43,760
» So moved.
>> Second. I've been moved by Commissioner

1482
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:48,560
Outlaw and second by Commissioner Howard
that we move into a public hearing.

1483
02:03:46,719 --> 02:03:51,040
Any discussion? All in favor of the
motion let it be known by saying I.

1484
02:03:50,239 --> 02:03:56,080
» I.
>> All opposed? Motion carried. We're now

1485
02:03:53,520 --> 02:04:02,800
in a public hearing on the self storage
warehouse facility located on Highway

1486
02:03:59,360 --> 02:04:09,800
581 Stony
Stony Hill Church Road. Anyone wishing

1487
02:04:05,199 --> 02:04:09,800
to speak on this matter?

1488
02:04:10,080 --> 02:04:16,639
Seeing none. Okay. I get a motion to uh
end the closed

1489
02:04:15,520 --> 02:04:20,320
public hearing.
>> So moved.

1490
02:04:17,679 --> 02:04:21,840
» Been moved by Commissioner Leot. Second
by

1491
02:04:21,119 --> 02:04:27,520
» second
>> Commissioner Outlaw that we close the

1492
02:04:23,920 --> 02:04:30,639
public hearing. Any further discussion?
All in favor of motion, let it be known

1493
02:04:29,119 --> 02:04:36,639
by saying I. I.
>> All opposed? Our motion carried. We are

1494
02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:41,520
now back into our regular uh session of
the board of commission. Mr. Tyson,

1495
02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:46,800
» I have nothing to add but happy to
answer any questions.

1496
02:04:43,520 --> 02:04:51,760
» All right. Are there any further
questions for Mr. Tyson?

1497
02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:57,199
Seeing none, is there a motion to uh
accept this uh this recondition of

1498
02:04:55,440 --> 02:05:01,040
zoning request?
>> Mr. Chair,

1499
02:04:58,880 --> 02:05:04,159
» Commissioner How? I move that Nash
County Board of Commissioners adopt a

1500
02:05:02,560 --> 02:05:08,639
statement of plan consistency and
respons reasonleness below and approve

1501
02:05:06,880 --> 02:05:11,639
the conditional reszoning request for
ZZ2603

1502
02:05:12,159 --> 02:05:20,080
to reszone the specified property to an
RC CZ for the development of a self-

1503
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:26,080
storage warehouse facility subject to
development conditions listed.

1504
02:05:23,280 --> 02:05:29,760
» All right. Is there a second?
>> Second.

1505
02:05:26,880 --> 02:05:35,679
» Second by Commissioner Outlaw. Any
further discussion on the uh motion?

1506
02:05:34,080 --> 02:05:38,080
Seeing none, all in favor of the motion,
let it be known by saying I.

1507
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:43,599
» I.
>> All oppose. Motion carried.

1508
02:05:41,760 --> 02:05:45,760
» All right, Mr. Tyson, I believe you have
one more.

1509
02:05:44,400 --> 02:05:49,040
» That's correct.
>> I actually have two more, but one more

1510
02:05:47,760 --> 02:05:52,719
reasonzoning request.
>> Okay.

1511
02:05:50,719 --> 02:05:57,599
» The third reasoning request again is
conditional. The subject property is a

1512
02:05:55,040 --> 02:06:03,840
2acre portion of a larger approximately
10 acre tract of land. So what you see

1513
02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:09,520
outlined in red is the 2acre portion of
the larger tract. Uh and of course the

1514
02:06:07,280 --> 02:06:14,560
red boundary is what's up for reszoning.
This property is owned by Sergio Salana

1515
02:06:12,480 --> 02:06:20,639
Arenus and Esparanza de la Cruz
Tolantino. It's located directly beside

1516
02:06:17,520 --> 02:06:27,199
the Redemption Center Church, which is
right here at 13705 NC Highway 98

1517
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:32,159
Springh Hope. This is in extreme western
Nash County and not far from the Nash

1518
02:06:29,520 --> 02:06:37,520
Franklin County line. As you can see on
the zoning map, this area is zoned A1

1519
02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:42,800
agricultural.
The lot here, or at least the front of

1520
02:06:40,239 --> 02:06:49,119
this lot, has historically been used as
a parking lot area for the neighboring

1521
02:06:45,760 --> 02:06:53,360
church. Uh, it also includes an existing
detached classroom building and a

1522
02:06:51,280 --> 02:06:57,679
storage building currently owned by and
used by the church.

1523
02:06:55,440 --> 02:07:02,719
This request to reszone has been
submitted by Pastor Lisa Mercer of the

1524
02:07:00,159 --> 02:07:07,840
Redemption Center Church to reszone the
subject property to an OICZ

1525
02:07:05,679 --> 02:07:13,360
office and institutional conditional
zone to permit this lot to continue to

1526
02:07:10,880 --> 02:07:18,320
be used for church activities, parking
and storage. Uh now that raises the

1527
02:07:16,560 --> 02:07:23,760
question, if the church is allowed in
the A1, why would the church parking not

1528
02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:29,679
be allowed in the A1? And the answer is
it would if this property could be

1529
02:07:26,159 --> 02:07:33,760
combined with the church. However,
Pastor Mercer plans to purchase this

1530
02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:37,520
property with her own private funds and
so it will not technically be owned by

1531
02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:42,400
the church. Therefore, it can't be
combined with the church property. And

1532
02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:48,000
unfortunately, it does not have the
minimum lot width that it needs to exist

1533
02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:52,880
in this A1 zoning district as an
independent lot. However, if the

1534
02:07:51,040 --> 02:07:57,040
property is reszoned to office and
institutional,

1535
02:07:54,480 --> 02:08:03,679
that would reduce the minimum lot width
requirement from 100 ft to just 60 ft.

1536
02:08:01,119 --> 02:08:09,199
And this lot is just shy of 100 ft. So,
it would certainly meet that. Um, and

1537
02:08:06,400 --> 02:08:14,239
reszoning it to office and institutional
not only allows it to stand on its own,

1538
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:20,719
but it also allows the property to be
restricted just for church use.

1539
02:08:18,480 --> 02:08:27,199
The conditional nature of this resoning
request does allow for the attachment of

1540
02:08:23,119 --> 02:08:31,440
conditions. When we review the
conditional, excuse me, the future land

1541
02:08:29,440 --> 02:08:37,360
use map from the comprehensive land use
plan. This is also designated as a

1542
02:08:34,960 --> 02:08:41,840
residential agricultural area. And the
request is consistent with the plan

1543
02:08:39,520 --> 02:08:47,040
because a small church such as this one
is an institutional land use that is

1544
02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:51,440
explicitly anticipated and allowed by
the plan in a residential agricultural

1545
02:08:49,920 --> 02:08:56,079
area.
The conditional zoning request may be

1546
02:08:54,400 --> 02:09:00,719
considered reasonable in the public
interest and not unreasonable spot

1547
02:08:58,079 --> 02:09:05,679
zoning because the proposed continued
use of the subject property for church

1548
02:09:02,639 --> 02:09:10,639
activities is similar to and consistent
with the already established immediately

1549
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:16,320
adjacent church on the immediately
adjacent property. The TRC considered

1550
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:20,480
this request on July 2nd recommended
approval subject to conditions. The

1551
02:09:18,800 --> 02:09:26,400
planning board considered this request
on July 20th. Pastor Lisa Mercer, the

1552
02:09:23,679 --> 02:09:30,320
applicant, Craig Mercer, and Jimmy Day,
the current property owner's realtor,

1553
02:09:28,560 --> 02:09:34,320
all addressed the board on behalf of the
applicant and in support of the request.

1554
02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:38,560
There were no other members of the
public who chose to address the board at

1555
02:09:36,159 --> 02:09:43,280
that meeting. The planning board voted
unanimously to recommend approval of the

1556
02:09:40,880 --> 02:09:47,280
request subject to the development
conditions that are listed in the staff

1557
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:52,239
report.
Um, the most important development

1558
02:09:49,840 --> 02:09:58,880
condition under the motion to approve
would be number two and it addresses the

1559
02:09:55,679 --> 02:10:03,679
two existing buildings on the property,
the detached classroom building and

1560
02:10:00,960 --> 02:10:08,639
detached storage building. Those
buildings were put there without the

1561
02:10:05,440 --> 02:10:13,840
proper permits and inspections. The
church has offered to uh have those

1562
02:10:11,679 --> 02:10:18,480
permitted and inspected prior to today's
public hearing, but it is important to

1563
02:10:16,159 --> 02:10:23,040
settle the zoning first so that they
know what their minimum setback will be

1564
02:10:20,639 --> 02:10:27,840
off of that side property line because
we certainly don't want them to relocate

1565
02:10:25,199 --> 02:10:32,480
those buildings more than once. And so
development condition number two in the

1566
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:36,880
event that the resoning is approved
states that both those buildings shall

1567
02:10:34,719 --> 02:10:41,599
be relocated to comply with the minimum
building setback requirement applicable

1568
02:10:39,360 --> 02:10:46,159
to the OI zoning district which I
believe would be 10 ft off that property

1569
02:10:43,679 --> 02:10:50,000
line and that those buildings shall be
properly permitted and inspected by the

1570
02:10:48,159 --> 02:10:54,079
Nash County Planning Inspections
Department once they've been relocated

1571
02:10:52,320 --> 02:10:59,119
to meet that minimum setback
requirement.

1572
02:10:56,400 --> 02:11:05,639
And with that, I will pause and take any
questions on the staff report.

1573
02:11:01,679 --> 02:11:05,639
» Any questions from Mr. Tyson?

1574
02:11:05,840 --> 02:11:12,960
» Seeing none, can I get a motion to go
into public hearing?

1575
02:11:10,639 --> 02:11:16,079
» Moved by Commissioner Le.
>> Second.

1576
02:11:13,520 --> 02:11:20,960
» Second by Commissioner How. We move in
the public hearing on this uh

1577
02:11:18,560 --> 02:11:24,239
reconditional reasoning request. Any
further discussion?

1578
02:11:22,800 --> 02:11:29,840
All in favor of motion, let it be known
by saying I. I. All oppose. Motion

1579
02:11:27,199 --> 02:11:39,239
carried. We're now in public hearing on
the reszoning request for Redemption

1580
02:11:32,800 --> 02:11:39,239
Center Church on NC Highway 98.

1581
02:11:39,599 --> 02:11:45,360
Seeing none,
could I get a motion to close our public

1582
02:11:44,239 --> 02:11:49,119
hearing?
>> So moved.

1583
02:11:46,480 --> 02:11:51,760
» Moved by Commissioner Outlaw.
>> Second.

1584
02:11:49,840 --> 02:11:56,480
» Second by Commissioner Balefield that we
close the public hearing. Any further

1585
02:11:54,560 --> 02:11:58,719
discussion? All in favor of the motion,
let it be known by saying I.

1586
02:11:58,079 --> 02:12:03,520
» I.
>> All opposed. Motion carried. We're now

1587
02:12:00,880 --> 02:12:07,599
back into our regular session. Mr.
Tyson,

1588
02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:12,320
» nothing to add, Mr. Chairman.
>> All right. Uh, any further questions for

1589
02:12:10,320 --> 02:12:18,000
Mr. Tyson?
All right. I entertain a motion to

1590
02:12:14,719 --> 02:12:21,760
accept or deny the reasoning request.
>> Mr. Chair,

1591
02:12:19,280 --> 02:12:25,520
» um, Commissioner How? I move that Nash
County Board of Commissioners adopt a

1592
02:12:23,199 --> 02:12:32,400
statement of plan consistency and reason
reasonable below and approve conditional

1593
02:12:28,400 --> 02:12:37,840
reasoning request to CZ26071
to reszone the specified property to an

1594
02:12:35,199 --> 02:12:42,639
OI-CZ
to allow its condition continued use for

1595
02:12:40,079 --> 02:12:46,400
church activities, parking, storage and
subject to development conditions that

1596
02:12:44,239 --> 02:12:49,360
are attached.
>> All right, you heard the motion there.

1597
02:12:47,920 --> 02:12:53,440
Second.
>> Second.

1598
02:12:50,320 --> 02:12:58,320
» Second by Commissioner Outlaw. Any
further discussion on the motion?

1599
02:12:56,719 --> 02:13:00,480
Seeing none, all in favor of the motion,
let it be known by saying I.

1600
02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:04,560
» I.
>> All opposed.

1601
02:13:01,760 --> 02:13:08,800
» All right. Motion carrot.
Mr. T number 13.

1602
02:13:07,119 --> 02:13:13,119
» All right. This is the final public
hearing related to planning this

1603
02:13:10,800 --> 02:13:18,480
morning. Instead of being a resoning,
this is a text amendment. and it's a

1604
02:13:16,000 --> 02:13:23,360
text amendment that was requested by our
planning board chairman.

1605
02:13:20,880 --> 02:13:29,760
It has to do with the regulation of
smoke, tobacco, vape, and CBD shops.

1606
02:13:28,320 --> 02:13:35,280
Nash County Unified Development
Ordinance does not currently recognize a

1607
02:13:32,159 --> 02:13:40,719
smoke, tobacco, vape, or cannabidial CBD
shop as a distinct commercial land use

1608
02:13:37,599 --> 02:13:45,199
type. Therefore, if we had one proposed,
we would have to classify it as

1609
02:13:42,400 --> 02:13:50,320
miscellaneous retail sales, which means
that it would be a land use permitted by

1610
02:13:47,040 --> 02:13:54,480
right in the RC rural commercial and GC
general commercial zoning districts

1611
02:13:52,560 --> 02:14:00,560
without any specific development
standards. This request is proposed to

1612
02:13:57,840 --> 02:14:05,679
recognize a smoke, tobacco, vape, or CBD
shop as a distinct commercial, retail,

1613
02:14:03,119 --> 02:14:09,440
trade land use type and to establish
related zoning requirements for their

1614
02:14:07,760 --> 02:14:14,079
permitted development within the
county's planning jurisdiction. The

1615
02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:18,639
development standards that are proposed
have been modeled after those that are

1616
02:14:16,400 --> 02:14:23,679
already established in the ordinance for
a bar, nightclub, tavern, or an internet

1617
02:14:21,360 --> 02:14:30,400
sweepstakes cafe.
That brings us to the actual language of

1618
02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:37,599
the text amendment. We begin in uh
section 93, table 931, which is our

1619
02:14:33,920 --> 02:14:41,440
table of permitted uses. The use type
that it would currently fall into

1620
02:14:39,360 --> 02:14:47,840
miscellaneous retail sales is listed
here for context. You can see that it's

1621
02:14:44,079 --> 02:14:54,159
designated a P for permitted by right in
both the RC and GC zoning districts.

1622
02:14:51,280 --> 02:14:59,360
This highlighted uh level of the table
here is what would be added. It

1623
02:14:57,040 --> 02:15:05,520
identifies smoke, tobacco, vape or CBD
shop as its own land use. It allows it

1624
02:15:02,400 --> 02:15:10,800
still in both RC rural commercial and GC
general commercial districts, but

1625
02:15:07,520 --> 02:15:14,639
instead of a P, it's allowed with a D,
which if you come down here to the key,

1626
02:15:12,880 --> 02:15:20,400
a D says the use is permitted by a
zoning permit, but the applicant has to

1627
02:15:17,119 --> 02:15:25,280
meet specific development standards. And
so on the second slide, we have those

1628
02:15:22,719 --> 02:15:30,800
development standards. They would apply
in both zoning districts, RC and GC.

1629
02:15:28,639 --> 02:15:36,800
First, there's a use and property
separation which would state state that

1630
02:15:33,760 --> 02:15:42,639
no smoke, tobacco, vape, or CBD shop
shall be located within 500 ft of any

1631
02:15:39,360 --> 02:15:48,079
other smoke, tobacco, vape, or CBD shop,
or within 500 ft of a church, elementary

1632
02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:52,719
or secondary school, public park,
residentially zoned lot, or an existing

1633
02:15:51,199 --> 02:15:56,320
residence.
And then letter C would apply

1634
02:15:54,400 --> 02:16:02,320
specifically to the parking. Parking
areas related to such a shop can be

1635
02:15:59,599 --> 02:16:06,320
located no closer than 75 ft to the
property line of abuing residences,

1636
02:16:04,560 --> 02:16:12,639
churches, elementary or secondary
schools, public parks or residentially

1637
02:16:09,119 --> 02:16:17,599
zoned lots. I will state that again
these standards are very similar to what

1638
02:16:15,440 --> 02:16:23,920
we require for a bar, nightclub, tavern
or internet sweep stakes cafe and they

1639
02:16:20,480 --> 02:16:30,639
have been very effective in restricting
those uses uh from development in

1640
02:16:28,400 --> 02:16:36,080
commercial zones that are anywhere near
residentially zoned areas or

1641
02:16:32,719 --> 02:16:41,120
residentially developed areas.
As with all text amendments, we have to

1642
02:16:38,559 --> 02:16:45,280
consider its consistency with our
county's land use plan. In this case,

1643
02:16:43,280 --> 02:16:49,599
the request is neither consistent nor
inconsistent with the plan because the

1644
02:16:47,679 --> 02:16:55,920
plan does not venture to specifically
address a smoke, tobacco, vape, or CBD

1645
02:16:52,559 --> 02:17:00,160
shop as a distinct commercial land use.
The TRC reviewed this text amendment

1646
02:16:58,080 --> 02:17:04,800
back on July 2nd and recommended
approval. The Nash County Planning Board

1647
02:17:02,800 --> 02:17:09,120
considered this text amendment request
on July 20th. Rocky Mount Wilson

1648
02:17:07,439 --> 02:17:13,920
Regional Airport Authority Board
Chairman Gary Hodgeges and Maggie Valley

1649
02:17:11,840 --> 02:17:19,280
Subdivision Homeowners Association
treasurer secretary Douglas Boris

1650
02:17:17,200 --> 02:17:24,000
addressed the board in support of the
request and the planning board voted

1651
02:17:21,439 --> 02:17:29,439
unanimously to recommend approval of the
request. You have in your packet a

1652
02:17:27,359 --> 02:17:34,800
suggested motion to either approve or
deny the text amendment. Uh and both

1653
02:17:33,040 --> 02:17:39,519
would be subject to the same statement
of plan consistency which is that this

1654
02:17:37,679 --> 02:17:43,920
request is neither consistent nor
inconsistent with the plan because it's

1655
02:17:41,760 --> 02:17:47,840
simply not addressed.
And I will be happy to take any

1656
02:17:45,599 --> 02:17:51,200
questions on that UDO text amendment
before we proceed with the public

1657
02:17:49,439 --> 02:17:55,639
hearing.
>> All right. Any questions for Mr. Tyson?

1658
02:17:56,000 --> 02:18:05,359
Seeing none, I'll entertain a motion to
go into a open public hearing.

1659
02:18:01,519 --> 02:18:11,280
» So moved by
Commissioner Davis.

1660
02:18:07,679 --> 02:18:16,160
» Second is second by Commissioner Leget.
Uh all any any discussion? All in favor

1661
02:18:14,240 --> 02:18:19,359
the motion? Let it be known by saying I.
>> I.

1662
02:18:16,800 --> 02:18:24,960
» All opposed. Okay. Motion carried. We're
now in a public hearing and anyone

1663
02:18:22,639 --> 02:18:28,280
wishing to address the board, please
step forward.

1664
02:18:28,639 --> 02:18:34,559
» Seeing none, I'll entertain a motion to
close the public hearing.

1665
02:18:33,359 --> 02:18:38,800
» So moved.
>> Moved by Commissioner Le.

1666
02:18:36,800 --> 02:18:43,040
» Second by Commissioner Bfield. We close
the public hearing.

1667
02:18:40,559 --> 02:18:48,639
» Any further discussion? All in favor of
the motion? Let it be known by saying I.

1668
02:18:46,080 --> 02:18:53,679
» All opposed? Motion carried. Well, now
back to our regular session.

1669
02:18:51,519 --> 02:18:57,280
Any questions?
Any further questions for Mr. Tyson by

1670
02:18:56,240 --> 02:19:00,880
the board?
>> I would just add that this would if

1671
02:18:59,200 --> 02:19:05,200
approved this morning, this would become
immediately effective in the current UDO

1672
02:19:03,280 --> 02:19:10,080
and then we will also incorporate it
into the draft revised UDO so that it

1673
02:19:07,920 --> 02:19:15,120
will remain effective as we move forward
into a new version of the document.

1674
02:19:12,880 --> 02:19:21,040
» All right.
Is there a motion?

1675
02:19:18,000 --> 02:19:23,840
» Move for approval.
>> Commissioner Davis has a motion that we

1676
02:19:22,880 --> 02:19:30,080
move for approval.
>> Second. Second by Commissioner Howell.

1677
02:19:26,719 --> 02:19:33,359
Any discussion on the motion?
>> Seeing none, all in favor of the motion,

1678
02:19:31,679 --> 02:19:37,840
let it be known saying I.
>> I.

1679
02:19:34,240 --> 02:19:41,719
» All oppose. Motion carrot. Uh, thank
you, Mr.

1680
02:19:38,479 --> 02:19:41,719
» Thank you.

1681
02:19:41,760 --> 02:19:48,760
» All right, we'll move along to our
monthly tax report. is Jamaica Terry.

1682
02:19:49,760 --> 02:19:55,359
Yeah. Good morning.
>> Good morning. Good morning, everyone.

1683
02:19:53,280 --> 02:19:58,319
» Before we get into business, as usual, I
would like to bore you for about 90

1684
02:19:57,520 --> 02:20:00,880
seconds.
>> All right.

1685
02:19:58,720 --> 02:20:05,600
» I know month after month, I get up and I
share the monthly tax report which is

1686
02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:09,760
given to you all as a updated status in
regards to the tax rate. But I would

1687
02:20:07,600 --> 02:20:13,520
like to share 2025 was indeed a
different tax year for the tax

1688
02:20:11,520 --> 02:20:18,319
department. I must share through
transition and opposition the best team

1689
02:20:16,240 --> 02:20:23,600
on this side of heaven stay
professional, positive and faithful.

1690
02:20:21,200 --> 02:20:29,359
They show up daily without hesitation or
complaint and make it look easy. I often

1691
02:20:26,560 --> 02:20:33,920
tell them I need them to frown and or
growl every once in a while as a

1692
02:20:31,600 --> 02:20:38,479
reminder that we are the tax department.
Most responded with Shemica, when you

1693
02:20:36,240 --> 02:20:42,080
start growling and or frowning, so will
we. So we know that day shall not

1694
02:20:40,240 --> 02:20:46,880
happen. But I will tell you my dog of
choice is a Doberman pincher. But um I

1695
02:20:44,960 --> 02:20:50,640
said all that to say all this. Thank you
to the entire tax department for

1696
02:20:48,640 --> 02:20:55,520
committing themselves to what they
assume is a thankless job. But I am

1697
02:20:53,280 --> 02:21:01,840
thankful for them and the opportunity to
work along beside them.

1698
02:20:58,960 --> 02:21:04,920
» Business as usual.
>> All right.

1699
02:21:07,280 --> 02:21:13,600
In keeping with general statute 105350,
the tax collector will be providing a

1700
02:21:11,600 --> 02:21:18,319
monthly report showing the amount of
taxes collected and efforts being made

1701
02:21:15,920 --> 02:21:22,720
to collect taxes. This report is
designed to keep the board current on

1702
02:21:20,720 --> 02:21:27,200
activities in the tax collector's
office. The report is for your

1703
02:21:24,800 --> 02:21:31,600
information only and does not require
approval. It is recommended that you

1704
02:21:29,520 --> 02:21:38,479
accept the report so that it will be
noted in the minutes. Any discussion,

1705
02:21:35,200 --> 02:21:42,000
questions, comments? on the increased
98.84%

1706
02:21:40,160 --> 02:21:45,600
tax rate.
>> Any questions,

1707
02:21:43,280 --> 02:21:50,479
» Mr. Chair? Mr. How
>> I had faith in y'all alone. Great job.

1708
02:21:47,600 --> 02:21:55,359
» You are too kind. Thank you.
>> Okay, we acknowledge and accept the

1709
02:21:52,640 --> 02:21:59,120
monthly tax report.
>> Okay,

1710
02:21:56,880 --> 02:22:02,000
we're going to move on to refund
request.

1711
02:22:00,080 --> 02:22:06,319
» Mhm. In compliance with North Carolina
General Statute 105381, the tax

1712
02:22:04,720 --> 02:22:12,080
collector will submit to the governing
body for their approval a list of any

1713
02:22:08,640 --> 02:22:17,359
tax refunds at the legitimacy of the
refund has been established. There are

1714
02:22:14,319 --> 02:22:20,359
no refunds for consideration.
>> Okay.

1715
02:22:22,960 --> 02:22:28,319
Item number 16.
>> Okay. We'll move on to the annual

1716
02:22:25,600 --> 02:22:32,479
settlement. Per North Carolina General
Statute 105373,

1717
02:22:30,319 --> 02:22:37,760
the tax collector will submit to the
governing body an annual settlement of

1718
02:22:34,800 --> 02:22:42,880
the monies received during the prior
fiscal year and to charge the tax

1719
02:22:40,800 --> 02:22:47,920
collector with the collections of fiscal
year 26 27 property taxes and recharge

1720
02:22:46,640 --> 02:22:53,680
the tax collector with the
responsibility for the collection of the

1721
02:22:50,240 --> 02:23:00,960
outstanding taxes for years 16 through
2025. Any questions or comments or

1722
02:22:58,960 --> 02:23:06,319
» on the any annual settlement?
>> Any discussion?

1723
02:23:03,280 --> 02:23:10,680
» Okay. I will call for a motion to accept
and approve the FY202526

1724
02:23:10,800 --> 02:23:19,040
annual settlement report so it may be
entered into the minutes. charge the tax

1725
02:23:16,160 --> 02:23:22,040
collector with the collection of the
FY202627

1726
02:23:22,399 --> 02:23:30,640
property tax and charge the tax
collector with the responsibility for

1727
02:23:27,920 --> 02:23:36,200
the collection of outstanding taxes for
the year 2016 through 2025.

1728
02:23:36,640 --> 02:23:44,319
» So move
>> moved by Commissioner Davis. Is there a

1729
02:23:40,319 --> 02:23:48,640
second? Second by Commissioner Outlaw.
Uh you've heard the motion. Uh all in

1730
02:23:47,280 --> 02:23:52,800
favor of the motion, let it be known by
saying I.

1731
02:23:50,319 --> 02:23:54,960
» All oppose. Motion carried.
>> Thank you all for the opportunity. Have

1732
02:23:54,399 --> 02:23:58,000
a good day.
>> Thank you.

1733
02:23:55,280 --> 02:24:04,840
» All right.
>> Okay. Uh item number 17, Miss Emily

1734
02:24:01,840 --> 02:24:04,840
Moore.

1735
02:24:13,120 --> 02:24:20,880
» Well, You know, when commissioners just
walk out, maybe they need a break. Uh,

1736
02:24:18,880 --> 02:24:27,359
we'll take a five minute break and we'll
come right back. All right.

1737
02:24:24,240 --> 02:24:31,920
» Item number 17, community block grant
public hearing. Emily Emily Moore.

1738
02:24:30,640 --> 02:24:37,720
» Good morning.
>> Morning.

1739
02:24:32,319 --> 02:24:37,720
» Morning. Nash County received 1,557,226

1740
02:24:40,160 --> 02:24:47,840
in CDBGCV
funds from the North Carolina Department

1741
02:24:44,640 --> 02:24:52,880
of Commerce. Activities supported by
these funds included trail extensions at

1742
02:24:50,640 --> 02:24:58,560
Castellia and Spring Hope community
parks, seven handwashing stations

1743
02:24:55,840 --> 02:25:03,840
throughout the county,
PPE supplies for volunteer fire

1744
02:25:01,280 --> 02:25:09,120
departments, computers for public
libraries, and EMS equipment and

1745
02:25:06,560 --> 02:25:13,680
supplies, all of which are located in
low to moderate income areas. The

1746
02:25:11,920 --> 02:25:19,520
purpose of the public hearing is to
review, assess the performance of, and

1747
02:25:16,800 --> 02:25:24,240
close out the 2020 community development
block grant corona virus project and

1748
02:25:22,160 --> 02:25:28,319
allow the residents of Nash County an
opportunity to express their views

1749
02:25:26,160 --> 02:25:32,800
regarding the project. So, the
recommendation is to hold a public

1750
02:25:30,240 --> 02:25:36,960
hearing.
>> Okay.

1751
02:25:34,399 --> 02:25:41,680
Any questions for uh Miss Moore at this
time?

1752
02:25:39,760 --> 02:25:45,680
Seeing none, can I get a motion to go in
the public hearing? So moved.

1753
02:25:44,319 --> 02:25:49,200
» Moved by Commissioner Le.
>> Second.

1754
02:25:46,399 --> 02:25:56,720
» Second by Commissioner Wilkins that we
move into a public hearing to discuss

1755
02:25:52,399 --> 02:26:00,000
the community block grant Corona virus.
Uh

1756
02:25:58,640 --> 02:26:02,560
all in favor of the motion, let it be
known by saying I.

1757
02:26:01,280 --> 02:26:08,240
» I.
>> All opposed. All right. Motion carried.

1758
02:26:05,439 --> 02:26:13,720
We're now into open public hearing.
Anyone wish to speak?

1759
02:26:14,319 --> 02:26:19,920
All right. Uh, seeing none, uh, I'll
call for a motion to close the public

1760
02:26:19,280 --> 02:26:24,080
hearing.
>> So move.

1761
02:26:21,040 --> 02:26:29,200
» Moved by Commissioner Wilkins. Second,
second by Commissioner Outlaw that we

1762
02:26:27,600 --> 02:26:31,200
close the public hearing. All in favor
of the motion, let it be known by saying

1763
02:26:30,640 --> 02:26:35,280
I.
>> I.

1764
02:26:31,920 --> 02:26:40,880
» All oppose. Motion carried. Public
hearing closed. Now we're back into our

1765
02:26:37,200 --> 02:26:45,359
regular session. Uh Miss Moore,
uh

1766
02:26:43,120 --> 02:26:54,160
there's no additional
voting on Right. Okay. Now, let's go to

1767
02:26:49,600 --> 02:26:57,680
item 18, community block grant.
>> Okay.

1768
02:26:54,479 --> 02:27:02,000
» All right. Uh so Nash County intends to
apply for $950,000

1769
02:27:00,000 --> 02:27:07,840
of community development block grant
neighborhood revitalization funds and

1770
02:27:04,880 --> 02:27:11,359
applications are due by October 13th,
2026.

1771
02:27:09,359 --> 02:27:15,680
The grant is used to address housing
needs, community needs, economic

1772
02:27:13,760 --> 02:27:21,040
development needs, or other community
development needs within the county. any

1773
02:27:18,319 --> 02:27:26,560
eligible need must address a national
national objective of low to moderate

1774
02:27:23,200 --> 02:27:32,240
income or removal of slums and blight.
Uh so the recommendation is to hold the

1775
02:27:28,720 --> 02:27:38,080
first public hearing.
>> Okay.

1776
02:27:34,560 --> 02:27:41,920
Any question for Miss Moore?
All right. Seeing none, uh call for a

1777
02:27:40,160 --> 02:27:45,760
motion to go into public hearing. So
move

1778
02:27:42,800 --> 02:27:49,680
» moved by Commissioner Davis, second by
Commissioner Outlaw that we move into a

1779
02:27:47,760 --> 02:27:53,280
public hearing.
No further discussion. All in favor of

1780
02:27:51,200 --> 02:27:57,359
the motion that it be saying I.
>> I.

1781
02:27:54,640 --> 02:28:03,520
» All opposed. We're now in the public
hearing on the matter of community

1782
02:28:00,800 --> 02:28:09,280
development block grant neighborhood
reval revitalization grant application

1783
02:28:07,120 --> 02:28:15,600
2026.
Anyone wishing to speak? uh please come

1784
02:28:12,160 --> 02:28:19,359
forward and address the board.
Okay, seeing none, there a motion to

1785
02:28:17,920 --> 02:28:22,319
close the public hearing.
>> So moved.

1786
02:28:20,399 --> 02:28:25,120
» Moved by Commissioner Leot.
>> Second.

1787
02:28:23,200 --> 02:28:29,200
» Second by Commissioner Outlaw that we
close the public hearing. All in favor

1788
02:28:27,840 --> 02:28:30,720
of the motion, let it be known by saying
I.

1789
02:28:29,760 --> 02:28:37,439
» I.
>> All opposed. Motion carried. We are now

1790
02:28:34,880 --> 02:28:40,240
back into our regular session.
>> Thank you.

1791
02:28:38,399 --> 02:28:46,640
» All right. Thank you, Mr. Moore. Thank
you.

1792
02:28:42,399 --> 02:28:52,720
» Okay. Uh item number 19,
uh a resolution calling for a public

1793
02:28:49,840 --> 02:28:56,720
hearing on a proposed moratorum
ordinance

1794
02:28:54,319 --> 02:29:03,680
regulation on data center data
processing facility and

1795
02:28:59,439 --> 02:29:09,160
cyber parents and mining. Uh call on
vice chair Freddy Howard to make this

1796
02:29:06,160 --> 02:29:09,160
presentation.

1797
02:29:10,960 --> 02:29:14,600
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1798
02:29:22,800 --> 02:29:30,080
I just want to speak today in support of
us to place a moratorum on new data

1799
02:29:27,840 --> 02:29:36,240
center development in Nash County
effective until June 2027.

1800
02:29:34,479 --> 02:29:40,720
Let me be clear about what the vote is
and what it's not. This isn't a vote

1801
02:29:38,560 --> 02:29:46,319
against growth. It's not a vote against
jobs or investment in our county. It is

1802
02:29:43,680 --> 02:29:51,920
a vote to slow down and get this right
before we make land use decisions that

1803
02:29:48,319 --> 02:29:57,600
cannot be undone. Nash County, which was
built on agriculture. Our farmland just

1804
02:29:54,640 --> 02:30:02,319
isn't economic asset. It's a heritage.
Families in this county have worked this

1805
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:08,000
soil for generations. And the land
supports our identity, our food supply,

1806
02:30:05,120 --> 02:30:12,720
and the way of life that sets us apart
from more urbanized parts of the state.

1807
02:30:10,720 --> 02:30:17,840
Once prime farmland is converted into
industrial use, it does not come back.

1808
02:30:15,600 --> 02:30:23,359
We don't get a second chance on this
decision. Over the past several months,

1809
02:30:21,200 --> 02:30:27,920
this board has heard directly from the
people we represent. I want to

1810
02:30:25,439 --> 02:30:32,640
acknowledge that clearly today because
public comment isn't just a formality.

1811
02:30:30,240 --> 02:30:37,280
It's information and it's our job to act
on that information. We've heard from

1812
02:30:35,120 --> 02:30:41,359
farmers concerned about losing least
informed own acreage to industrial

1813
02:30:39,120 --> 02:30:45,439
resoning. We've heard from residents who
worried about the strain data centers

1814
02:30:43,520 --> 02:30:50,880
place on our water supply and electrical
grid. Resources that our agriculture

1815
02:30:48,160 --> 02:30:56,720
operations depend on just as much as an
industry user. We have heard concerns

1816
02:30:54,640 --> 02:31:01,680
about noise, about the visual character
of the rural landscape, and about the

1817
02:30:58,880 --> 02:31:06,319
property values near proposed sites. And
that we have heard again and again that

1818
02:31:03,760 --> 02:31:11,280
people feel decisions are moving faster
than the public's ability to understand

1819
02:31:08,720 --> 02:31:15,680
and weigh in on them.
A moratorium gives us the tools to

1820
02:31:13,120 --> 02:31:20,399
respond to the feedback responsively. It
gives staff and this board the time to

1821
02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:24,399
study the real impacts. water usage,
energy demand, tax structure,

1822
02:31:22,160 --> 02:31:28,479
infrastructure cost, and to build
standards in our UDO that protect both

1823
02:31:26,479 --> 02:31:34,000
our agricultural base and our long-term
tax interest rather than reaching

1824
02:31:31,760 --> 02:31:40,560
for partial by partial under pressure
from individual reasonzoning request.

1825
02:31:38,000 --> 02:31:46,399
Other counties across the state and the
country are taking the similar approach.

1826
02:31:42,960 --> 02:31:52,720
A pausing to build thoughtful
ordinance into an obstruction is due

1827
02:31:50,399 --> 02:31:57,280
diligent. It protects Nash County's
negotiating position and it protects us

1828
02:31:54,880 --> 02:32:01,520
from litigation and inconsistent
decisions that come from acting without

1829
02:31:59,600 --> 02:32:07,280
clear standards that need to be in
place. In June 27, it's not an arbitrary

1830
02:32:04,720 --> 02:32:11,680
date. It gives us time to conduct
conduct our proper process to get the

1831
02:32:09,520 --> 02:32:16,240
unified development ordinance updated.
An ordinance that reflects the values

1832
02:32:13,760 --> 02:32:20,399
this community holds.
It does not shut the door on data

1833
02:32:18,319 --> 02:32:24,240
centers permanently. It simply says that
before this kind of industrial

1834
02:32:22,319 --> 02:32:29,120
development reshapes our farmland and
our rural character, we're going to do

1835
02:32:26,399 --> 02:32:32,880
it the right way. I've heard from people
in the county and their message has been

1836
02:32:31,120 --> 02:32:37,520
consistent. Protect our farmland.
Protect our water and our natural

1837
02:32:34,640 --> 02:32:42,319
resources. Don't let Nash County's rural
identity be decided by reszoning cases

1838
02:32:40,240 --> 02:32:47,439
moving faster than the public input can
keep up with. So, I'm asking my fellow

1839
02:32:44,880 --> 02:32:51,760
commissioners to support this moratorum.
So, let's take time to get it right to

1840
02:32:49,520 --> 02:32:59,680
for the farmers, the families, and the
future citizens of Nash County.

1841
02:32:55,520 --> 02:33:04,960
» All right. Uh, this require a public
hearing. So, uh, I want ask for a motion

1842
02:33:03,280 --> 02:33:06,800
for a public hearing to go in the
public.

1843
02:33:05,600 --> 02:33:10,960
» Mr. Chairman,
>> yeah,

1844
02:33:08,479 --> 02:33:14,319
» Commissioner How was just proposing to
have the board approve the public

1845
02:33:12,720 --> 02:33:21,040
hearing for the next meeting. We would
have to notice that per the statute.

1846
02:33:17,600 --> 02:33:25,520
Well, I'm following
I'm following some instructions that uh

1847
02:33:23,439 --> 02:33:31,680
that said that we have to open a public
hearing now, but you're saying that we

1848
02:33:28,800 --> 02:33:33,840
don't that we have to just approve
whether we would go into

1849
02:33:33,359 --> 02:33:37,439
» Right.
>> Yes, sir. What what we're doing is

1850
02:33:35,680 --> 02:33:42,160
getting the board's authority to
advertise for the public hearing, right,

1851
02:33:39,600 --> 02:33:46,479
for the next meeting.
>> Mr. Chair, if I may.

1852
02:33:43,760 --> 02:33:51,359
» Yes. Um, what I'm asking the board is to
adopt the attached resolution to hold a

1853
02:33:49,200 --> 02:33:56,080
public hearing Tuesday, September the 8,
2026 at 9:00 a.m. and to direct the

1854
02:33:54,479 --> 02:34:01,280
clerk of the board to publish a notice
of this public hearing in accordance

1855
02:33:57,520 --> 02:34:04,319
with general statute 160D-601,
sir.

1856
02:34:01,680 --> 02:34:08,240
» Right. So,
you're asking us to adopt a resolution,

1857
02:34:07,920 --> 02:34:11,200
» right?
>> To hold a public hearing. Yes, sir.

1858
02:34:10,080 --> 02:34:16,920
» Right. Okay.
>> To Mr. Gainer's comments notice the

1859
02:34:13,920 --> 02:34:16,920
public.

1860
02:34:17,040 --> 02:34:22,760
» All right.
>> Is there a motion?

1861
02:34:23,120 --> 02:34:31,840
» So moved.
>> All right. And second.

1862
02:34:29,359 --> 02:34:38,439
He made the motion. You uh Commissioner
Outlaw second the motion. All right. Uh

1863
02:34:34,479 --> 02:34:38,439
now we're open for discussion.

1864
02:34:40,319 --> 02:34:47,760
Uh, Commissioner Dave.
>> Uh, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh,

1865
02:34:45,200 --> 02:34:52,399
I certainly want it to be known that I
also do not favor these large data

1866
02:34:50,560 --> 02:34:59,920
centers,
but I question if we really need to put

1867
02:34:56,000 --> 02:35:05,600
a moratorum on Nash County. Uh, we have
the tools in place currently to stop any

1868
02:35:03,520 --> 02:35:12,560
data center that the board chooses not
to have uh in a reasonzoning matter. if

1869
02:35:10,240 --> 02:35:17,120
it comes before this board, but also if
we have a piece of property properly

1870
02:35:14,160 --> 02:35:22,960
zone, we have to have a special use
permit. Uh it's my understanding and

1871
02:35:20,640 --> 02:35:31,920
that also would be approved by this
board. Uh so we got the tools in place

1872
02:35:27,280 --> 02:35:35,840
and my concern is uh anytime you use the
word moratorum

1873
02:35:33,600 --> 02:35:42,640
uh regardless of how it used it puts a
negative cloud on an area in this case

1874
02:35:39,120 --> 02:35:47,200
it would be Nash County. uh having
worked and knowing quite a few site

1875
02:35:44,800 --> 02:35:52,640
selectors over the years uh as it
relates to our industrial recruitments

1876
02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:58,720
uh we all know that their goal when they
come to an area look at the area is to

1877
02:35:55,120 --> 02:36:02,160
eliminate it as quickly as they can.
uh

1878
02:36:00,479 --> 02:36:05,520
some of these site selectors wouldn't go
any further than to see the word

1879
02:36:04,000 --> 02:36:09,840
moratorum
uh that we had in place kind of sort of

1880
02:36:07,840 --> 02:36:15,680
regardless of what the moratorum was
about whether it's about residential

1881
02:36:11,600 --> 02:36:21,680
construction or whether it was about uh
in this case a a data center moratorum

1882
02:36:19,600 --> 02:36:25,920
and of course what we do here only
affects those areas that we have

1883
02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:30,399
jurisdiction on. It doesn't stop them
from going in our municipalities.

1884
02:36:28,399 --> 02:36:35,760
And we we do know that there's one been
considered uh in one of our towns at the

1885
02:36:33,680 --> 02:36:43,560
current time, but there's really nothing
we could do about that because they have

1886
02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:43,560
total jurisdiction over that area. Uh

1887
02:36:43,920 --> 02:36:50,720
we're also closing the door if indeed we
were to have one that wanted to look at

1888
02:36:49,200 --> 02:36:58,000
Nash County. That is totally
self-reporting. That has been my idea

1889
02:36:54,479 --> 02:37:01,840
all along is to have uh data centers and
consider them only when they can provide

1890
02:37:00,319 --> 02:37:05,840
their own utilities, when they can
provide their own cooling method,

1891
02:37:03,280 --> 02:37:09,920
whether it be water or anything else.
>> Uh and whether it was a situation where

1892
02:37:08,160 --> 02:37:17,760
the noise involved would be compatible
with the area that it was put in. Uh I'm

1893
02:37:13,600 --> 02:37:22,560
just not in favor of of a moratorum
uh for this type of reason knowing that

1894
02:37:20,080 --> 02:37:29,920
we've got total control over it without
that. We've got a UDO that we hope will

1895
02:37:27,280 --> 02:37:33,920
uh be adopted uh in the next few months.
So our goal is to do it before the end

1896
02:37:31,680 --> 02:37:39,760
of the year I think and during that
process of the UDO we will have those

1897
02:37:36,240 --> 02:37:43,840
guidelines in there and the UDO itself
will require a public hearing. So at

1898
02:37:41,600 --> 02:37:48,319
that point, anyone that wishes to speak
about data centers would sure certainly

1899
02:37:46,640 --> 02:37:53,120
be able to come to this board and speak
about that or anything else in UDO. It

1900
02:37:50,640 --> 02:37:57,920
just seems like a possible duplication
of effort to do it uh at this time. And

1901
02:37:56,240 --> 02:38:02,880
that's my thoughts, Mr. Chairman. Thank
you.

1902
02:37:58,399 --> 02:38:05,880
» All right. Uh anyone
wait

1903
02:38:06,720 --> 02:38:09,720
and

1904
02:38:10,080 --> 02:38:13,399
» Mr. Chairman,

1905
02:38:13,600 --> 02:38:22,560
» I have a I have a question of the staff
and or um our attorney. Can we hold the

1906
02:38:19,439 --> 02:38:26,720
public hearing um
during the same time we hold the public

1907
02:38:24,240 --> 02:38:33,800
hearing for the UDO? Can we hold it on
the for the moratorum at that time and

1908
02:38:29,600 --> 02:38:33,800
just have one public hearing?

1909
02:38:36,160 --> 02:38:42,240
» The the moratorum requires a public
hearing. So prior to voting on the

1910
02:38:40,720 --> 02:38:47,120
moratorum, you would have to have a
public hearing.

1911
02:38:44,720 --> 02:38:54,760
What I'm saying is if we don't vote on
the moratorum until we have the UDO

1912
02:38:51,359 --> 02:38:54,760
public hearing.

1913
02:38:56,080 --> 02:39:04,960
» I mean, Commissioner um How is asking
that we have the more vote on the moring

1914
02:39:02,800 --> 02:39:09,200
in September and I'm guessing vote on
the public vote on the moratorum in

1915
02:39:07,359 --> 02:39:10,960
October or late September?
>> In September.

1916
02:39:10,080 --> 02:39:16,160
» In September.
>> It can be voted on at that meeting.

1917
02:39:13,120 --> 02:39:21,920
Okay. But what what I'm asking is um I
guess we would have to vote down his and

1918
02:39:18,960 --> 02:39:25,600
then someone would have to make them
>> you can't vote. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

1919
02:39:23,920 --> 02:39:29,920
» And someone would have to make a motion
to have the public hearing on the

1920
02:39:27,840 --> 02:39:35,439
moratorum during the same time we have
the UDO. You understand what

1921
02:39:32,479 --> 02:39:40,720
» if you vote down his motion today
then there would not proceed with the

1922
02:39:37,680 --> 02:39:46,880
public hearing. But but if
>> I mean if the moratorum is on the agenda

1923
02:39:43,760 --> 02:39:50,000
then there has to be a public hearing.
>> Okay.

1924
02:39:47,920 --> 02:39:53,760
» But it's not on the agenda yet until we
vote.

1925
02:39:52,479 --> 02:39:58,720
» That that's correct.
>> You make the motion. We'll give

1926
02:39:54,960 --> 02:40:04,399
everybody else opportunity.
Any anybody else? Uh Commissioner Le.

1927
02:40:01,760 --> 02:40:12,720
» Okay. I do have a question. Would a
moratorum such as this affect our

1928
02:40:07,359 --> 02:40:17,200
ability to adopt the updated UDO?
>> Who can answer that?

1929
02:40:14,319 --> 02:40:24,520
» Well,
we'll give you my opinion.

1930
02:40:20,800 --> 02:40:24,520
Uh, Mr. Tyson.

1931
02:40:26,640 --> 02:40:34,880
So to answer Commissioner Leget's
question, no, the moratorum would not

1932
02:40:31,920 --> 02:40:41,600
affect u the county's ability to adopt
the UDO because the moratorium is worded

1933
02:40:38,000 --> 02:40:49,359
in such a way that it would last until
June of 2027 or until a UDO with

1934
02:40:46,800 --> 02:40:56,880
specific data center standards are
adopted. And so, uh, the the adoption of

1935
02:40:52,880 --> 02:41:02,560
the UDO would effectively repeal the
moratorum, uh, if it occurred prior to

1936
02:41:00,399 --> 02:41:08,399
June of next year, which we anticipate
that it will because as long as that UDO

1937
02:41:05,680 --> 02:41:14,880
has specific rules and regulations for
data centers, um, to answer Commissioner

1938
02:41:11,680 --> 02:41:19,200
Wilkins question, um, there would really
be no need for the moratorum if we

1939
02:41:17,120 --> 02:41:21,840
waited until we were ready to adopt the
UDO.

1940
02:41:20,080 --> 02:41:28,800
because the moratorum is designed to
fill the gap in time before we have

1941
02:41:25,280 --> 02:41:33,520
regulations for data centers. So it by
the time we have a public hearing on the

1942
02:41:30,640 --> 02:41:37,760
UDO to adopt it, the moratorum would
presumably become irrelevant at that

1943
02:41:35,680 --> 02:41:43,520
point. So it wouldn't make sense
necessarily to delay the public hearing

1944
02:41:40,640 --> 02:41:48,640
um on the moratorum to align with the
public hearing on the UDO uh because the

1945
02:41:46,319 --> 02:41:54,800
UDO will not be ready by the September
meeting. Um so it would not be effective

1946
02:41:51,920 --> 02:42:00,560
to delay the public hearing. Also to go
back to a comment that Commissioner um

1947
02:41:58,479 --> 02:42:05,840
Davis made
currently we don't have standards for a

1948
02:42:03,680 --> 02:42:12,720
data center. So, if we had an applicant
who proposed one, they would make an

1949
02:42:08,560 --> 02:42:17,359
argument that it was uh similar to a use
we currently have in the table,

1950
02:42:14,399 --> 02:42:22,080
presumably an industrial use. Uh now,
that would only matter for property

1951
02:42:19,200 --> 02:42:27,200
that's already zoned industrial without
specific conditions. uh if a property if

1952
02:42:25,359 --> 02:42:32,240
an applicant brought a property to be
reszoned industrial then presumably the

1953
02:42:30,080 --> 02:42:36,399
board wouldn't approve it without a
condition on it to explain what it's

1954
02:42:34,399 --> 02:42:40,720
supposed to be. So there wouldn't be a
sneak attack by a data center through a

1955
02:42:38,560 --> 02:42:46,880
reasonzoning. But for properties that
already exist in the county that is GI

1956
02:42:44,399 --> 02:42:51,439
if a applicant made an effective
argument and of course this could end up

1957
02:42:49,120 --> 02:42:55,280
in court to be litigated. But if the
applicant successfully made an argument

1958
02:42:53,680 --> 02:42:59,040
that there was a land use in the
ordinance that was similar to a data

1959
02:42:57,040 --> 02:43:04,319
center and that the county should permit
it um then that would be that's what

1960
02:43:02,560 --> 02:43:07,600
we're trying to guard against or that
would be what the purpose of the

1961
02:43:05,439 --> 02:43:12,319
moratorum would guard against. We have
had discussions about requiring a

1962
02:43:09,760 --> 02:43:16,880
special use permit for a data center.
That is not in the current ordinance.

1963
02:43:14,479 --> 02:43:20,720
That is something that will be proposed
as part of the new ordinance. So I did

1964
02:43:18,800 --> 02:43:25,680
want to make that correction. There's
not a special use permit process for

1965
02:43:23,359 --> 02:43:30,319
data centers because data centers aren't
addressed in the ordinance. But the

1966
02:43:28,560 --> 02:43:35,920
purpose of the moratorum would be to
fill the gap in time between now and

1967
02:43:33,200 --> 02:43:42,160
when the UDO is ready. But the moratorum
would not hinder us in any way from

1968
02:43:38,560 --> 02:43:46,399
adopting the UDO and adopting a set of
regulations within the UDO for data

1969
02:43:45,040 --> 02:43:54,160
centers.
>> All right. Uh Mr. Tyson, what what's the

1970
02:43:50,080 --> 02:43:58,160
time table for us to complete the UDO?
>> So,

1971
02:43:56,160 --> 02:44:02,720
the planning staff is currently going
through the proposed UDO line by line

1972
02:44:00,640 --> 02:44:08,160
and making revisions. I don't know
exactly when we'll be done with that. Um

1973
02:44:05,279 --> 02:44:15,760
I think we are likely to have it ready
for adoption prior to the end of 2026

1974
02:44:12,000 --> 02:44:24,240
but this moratorum extends into 2027
just to provide um you know a a cushion

1975
02:44:19,200 --> 02:44:29,760
or a margin for error. Um and but as I
stated the way the moratorum is worded

1976
02:44:27,359 --> 02:44:35,439
as soon as we adopt a set of regulations
for data centers whether it be

1977
02:44:32,080 --> 02:44:40,640
standalone or as part of that UDO the
moratorum would be repealed and so it's

1978
02:44:38,160 --> 02:44:48,000
whichever occurs first the deadline of
June 27 or the adoption of a UDO

1979
02:44:44,240 --> 02:44:55,040
containing data centers and I seriously
expect the UDO adoption date to happen

1980
02:44:51,040 --> 02:44:58,120
well before the June 2027 deadline.
>> All right.

1981
02:44:58,560 --> 02:45:04,720
» All right. Commissioner How,
>> Mr. Tyson, thank you for explaining that

1982
02:45:02,479 --> 02:45:08,800
and apologize to my fellow colleagues up
here. That's the whole intent behind

1983
02:45:06,560 --> 02:45:13,359
this is to is a bridge to give us
protection to protect the staff and

1984
02:45:10,960 --> 02:45:18,479
having to spend additional time andor
additional legal fees that if one would

1985
02:45:15,920 --> 02:45:23,120
come up and and as Commissioner Davis
mentioned there is already one being

1986
02:45:20,640 --> 02:45:27,040
considered in one of our towns and I I
also am aware there's also been some

1987
02:45:24,800 --> 02:45:32,240
discussion as well in other parts of the
county outside of the township for some.

1988
02:45:29,760 --> 02:45:36,720
So my concern is that knowing we don't
put ourselves in a position to where

1989
02:45:34,160 --> 02:45:40,479
we're having to spend taxpayers money to
defend something, we can simply put a

1990
02:45:38,240 --> 02:45:46,399
mortorium on it today and give us time
to do it. My other concern is um in our

1991
02:45:44,399 --> 02:45:49,600
last meeting on data centers, we've got
everything lumped together. And when I

1992
02:45:48,319 --> 02:45:53,840
say everything lumped together, I'll
make sure I explain. So you have the new

1993
02:45:52,000 --> 02:45:58,160
AI data centers and you had the
traditional data centers. A traditional

1994
02:45:56,080 --> 02:46:02,880
data center does not use our natural
resources. does not use a lot of

1995
02:46:00,319 --> 02:46:05,680
electricity. Um, and because I stay at
the the other end of the county, there's

1996
02:46:04,240 --> 02:46:09,600
one in Zebulun right now behind the
Bojangles. I mean, it doesn't make any

1997
02:46:07,920 --> 02:46:13,520
noise. You wouldn't know it was there.
So we got to make sure when we put this

1998
02:46:11,120 --> 02:46:17,279
new UDO out that we don't penalize those
storage facilities and lump them in the

1999
02:46:15,279 --> 02:46:22,640
same group as we would one of these new
AI data centers that uses 100 megawatts

2000
02:46:19,680 --> 02:46:26,800
of power which by the way
Sharon Harris is which where we get a

2001
02:46:24,560 --> 02:46:32,560
lot of our energy from for Nash County
only generates 900 megawws. So you're

2002
02:46:30,319 --> 02:46:38,800
talking a ninth of the power. The backup
facility in high demand for electricity

2003
02:46:34,960 --> 02:46:43,200
in our area is from Goldsboro. Again,
that facility only produces 920

2004
02:46:40,880 --> 02:46:47,359
megawatt. So, we're talking about a 100
watt mega facility would put a

2005
02:46:45,040 --> 02:46:51,279
tremendous strain on it. Also, there's
other things to consider. Even though if

2006
02:46:49,200 --> 02:46:54,319
they generate their own power, which a
lot of them are having to do, they're

2007
02:46:52,560 --> 02:46:58,479
having to put in temporary diesel
generators that are running for extended

2008
02:46:56,479 --> 02:47:02,399
periods of time with additional noise
and additional air pollution because

2009
02:47:00,479 --> 02:47:06,479
there's currently not enough power to do
self generation at this point with the

2010
02:47:03,920 --> 02:47:12,399
technology we have. Also, we have to
consider our friends upstream

2011
02:47:09,200 --> 02:47:17,040
to generate 900 megawatts of power from
Sharon Harris. You're gonna they're

2012
02:47:14,960 --> 02:47:22,720
going to consume one and a half million
gallons to 2.4 million gallons a day

2013
02:47:20,160 --> 02:47:26,960
just to produce electricity. That's even
if the data center is using a closed

2014
02:47:24,319 --> 02:47:30,560
loop system and doesn't need any water
other than initial filling of the closed

2015
02:47:28,800 --> 02:47:34,479
system. So, there's a lot of impacts
just that we need to study before we

2016
02:47:32,880 --> 02:47:39,359
move this forward to make sure we got it
right. And all this is is a pause and

2017
02:47:36,640 --> 02:47:43,120
let us do that. Don't penalize
traditional data centers and have them

2018
02:47:40,960 --> 02:47:47,520
lumped together as we currently do and
our proposed UDEO. Separate those out

2019
02:47:46,080 --> 02:47:51,359
and then figure out where in the county
these new AI ones need to go and make

2020
02:47:49,760 --> 02:47:58,000
sure we got clear direction. It's best
for them and also best for the citizens

2021
02:47:53,279 --> 02:48:03,840
of Nash County. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
>> All right, Commissioner

2022
02:48:01,760 --> 02:48:08,880
» David
Adam. uh just to clear up something you

2023
02:48:07,200 --> 02:48:12,560
just said uh which is different than
what I said and I appreciate you

2024
02:48:10,640 --> 02:48:18,720
clearing that up but the special use
permit I've noticed several times of

2025
02:48:14,960 --> 02:48:22,399
late uh over the last year that if I'm
not mistaken you've utilized something

2026
02:48:20,960 --> 02:48:27,520
particular with the land development
code when it was under construction

2027
02:48:25,120 --> 02:48:35,439
uh in the presentation to the planning
board about what we had in a particular

2028
02:48:31,760 --> 02:48:40,000
item and the vote was based on the fact
of not approving that because of

2029
02:48:38,080 --> 02:48:46,319
something that was coming. Would that be
the same case in this as far as a

2030
02:48:43,120 --> 02:48:51,920
special use permit knowing that we would
have one in our uh UDO that you could go

2031
02:48:50,080 --> 02:48:56,640
ahead and utilize that like I've seen
you do some in the past.

2032
02:48:54,640 --> 02:48:58,960
Of course, I guess your answer is
probably going to be it could be

2033
02:48:57,600 --> 02:49:02,160
challenged, but anything can be
challenged.

2034
02:48:59,680 --> 02:49:07,120
» I'm not. And I'm just asking because it
may change where I stand on it.

2035
02:49:03,920 --> 02:49:11,040
» I'm not sure I follow the question.
>> In order for the county to apply a

2036
02:49:08,800 --> 02:49:17,680
special use permit to a particular land
use, then our table of permitted uses

2037
02:49:14,000 --> 02:49:22,080
has to assign it. It has to essentially
have an S there. You know, we talked

2038
02:49:19,279 --> 02:49:28,560
about vape shops today. We talked about
a P or a D. Well, in land uses that that

2039
02:49:25,920 --> 02:49:32,560
have an S is where they have a special
use permit. Special use permits

2040
02:49:30,800 --> 02:49:37,680
currently are all directed to the board
of adjustment for quasi judicial public

2041
02:49:34,800 --> 02:49:43,760
hearing. If in the future we adopt a
special use permit requirement for uh a

2042
02:49:41,200 --> 02:49:49,520
data center land use, then the board can
make a decision whether that should also

2043
02:49:46,560 --> 02:49:53,439
go to the board of adjustment or if that
uh requires such special attention that

2044
02:49:52,000 --> 02:49:58,560
the special use permit should be
diverted to the board of commissioners

2045
02:49:55,279 --> 02:50:05,439
to decide. Um, but if we had an
applicant come in currently and proposed

2046
02:50:02,080 --> 02:50:10,160
a data center and made the argument that
it was similar to one of our existing

2047
02:50:07,600 --> 02:50:14,880
land uses, then whether or not we could
impose a special use permit would be

2048
02:50:12,960 --> 02:50:20,960
determined by whether or not a special
use permit is already required in our

2049
02:50:17,359 --> 02:50:25,279
table for that land use. So if if and
and it's hard to speculate what

2050
02:50:23,279 --> 02:50:30,479
particular land use they might make an
argument that it would be similar to,

2051
02:50:28,080 --> 02:50:35,680
but if that land use doesn't already
require a special use permit, the county

2052
02:50:33,040 --> 02:50:40,560
can't decide on the fly to apply a
special use permit. It has to be

2053
02:50:37,920 --> 02:50:45,279
pre-ordained by the ordinance.
I'm not sure if I followed your

2054
02:50:43,279 --> 02:50:50,160
question, so maybe if that didn't answer
it, you could lead me a little further.

2055
02:50:47,920 --> 02:50:55,279
Uh well, I totally didn't answer it, but
but I think I get to just what you're

2056
02:50:51,840 --> 02:50:59,200
saying. I just know uh for instance, a
couple of things on screening and things

2057
02:50:56,960 --> 02:51:03,200
of that nature, we are using this
standard that we're getting ready to

2058
02:51:01,040 --> 02:51:08,800
adopt and talk about it during the
public hearing uh as we move up to that

2059
02:51:06,560 --> 02:51:13,200
adoption. But I think you made it clear
that it most likely would not be able to

2060
02:51:10,960 --> 02:51:17,359
do that with a special use permit
probably.

2061
02:51:14,720 --> 02:51:23,359
Uh and
I I I do know that we currently have two

2062
02:51:21,120 --> 02:51:29,040
uh data centers in Nash County. Of
course, they're both located inside

2063
02:51:24,800 --> 02:51:32,560
Rocky Mount and uh quite frankly, they
are compatible. Actually, the city chose

2064
02:51:30,960 --> 02:51:39,600
to put one of them on their own land,
which uh I was surprised at, but uh and

2065
02:51:37,359 --> 02:51:45,520
they are large power users. In fact, the
first one that was built u

2066
02:51:42,560 --> 02:51:50,160
is by far Rocky Mount's largest utility
customer

2067
02:51:47,200 --> 02:51:55,279
actually is five times larger than their
second utility customer which is Dash

2068
02:51:52,000 --> 02:52:01,359
General Hospital. Uh but had it not been
for that revenue coming in, I I think

2069
02:51:58,160 --> 02:52:05,760
Rocky Mountain would have probably been
in in worse shape than they are in

2070
02:52:02,960 --> 02:52:09,600
because they they are very profitable to
their electrical uh grid system and

2071
02:52:08,399 --> 02:52:13,760
they're able to make quite a bit of
money off of them. But they would be

2072
02:52:11,359 --> 02:52:19,439
making those decisions
uh except for where they provide

2073
02:52:15,920 --> 02:52:24,560
utilities in uh outside of Rockabout in
the county. So, uh, I just feel like

2074
02:52:22,080 --> 02:52:29,520
we've got enough protection at the
current time to buy us to December,

2075
02:52:27,439 --> 02:52:33,920
January, February, whenever we do the
UDO. So, we're we're really not that far

2076
02:52:31,439 --> 02:52:37,840
apart on what we are saying here. Thank
you, Mr. Chairman.

2077
02:52:35,279 --> 02:52:43,359
» All right.
Well,

2078
02:52:40,479 --> 02:52:49,200
well, my perspective on this is that uh
with the with the current schedule that

2079
02:52:46,479 --> 02:52:55,359
we have for the uh unified development
ordinance

2080
02:52:50,720 --> 02:53:00,240
and we intend or should finish this by
November.

2081
02:52:57,120 --> 02:53:05,760
And generally, I'm not in favor of
moratoriums. And like I said, it's going

2082
02:53:03,120 --> 02:53:11,359
to require another public hearing. And
it it is possible it could delay what

2083
02:53:09,120 --> 02:53:18,399
we're trying to do with the unified
development partners to try to finish it

2084
02:53:14,479 --> 02:53:25,359
sooner rather than later. And uh we've
been collecting information on what data

2085
02:53:21,439 --> 02:53:30,319
centers uh should be, shouldn't be, and
the things that we might want to put

2086
02:53:27,200 --> 02:53:36,880
into the unified development ordinance.
And uh I'm hopeful that the three

2087
02:53:35,040 --> 02:53:42,960
commissions that serve on that, Miss
Leot, um Mr. Davis, and myself, that we

2088
02:53:40,960 --> 02:53:48,560
will push forward
with uh developing

2089
02:53:45,600 --> 02:53:53,920
uh the unified development ordinance
very soon before this year is out and

2090
02:53:51,279 --> 02:53:59,680
we'll be able to address uh all the
concerns about the moratorum.

2091
02:53:56,800 --> 02:54:08,600
moratoriums create
anxiety and sometime alone the public

2092
02:54:03,680 --> 02:54:08,600
which they might not need to be alone.

2093
02:54:08,960 --> 02:54:12,520
» Any other discussion?

2094
02:54:12,560 --> 02:54:19,640
» Mr. Chair, I do have one follow-up
question for Mr. Tyson.

2095
02:54:16,640 --> 02:54:19,640
Yeah,

2096
02:54:20,160 --> 02:54:26,240
» this is hypothetical of course, but
let's say we get through with the UDO

2097
02:54:24,240 --> 02:54:30,000
and are ready to proceed in December or
November as you're shooting for by the

2098
02:54:28,319 --> 02:54:35,840
end of the year, but we haven't worked
out the UDO process because we need to

2099
02:54:32,399 --> 02:54:40,720
put more definition in it to separate
traditionals from the new AI need some

2100
02:54:38,640 --> 02:54:45,439
more studying done. If we went ahead and
adopted the UDO and there's nothing in

2101
02:54:43,040 --> 02:54:48,960
there at that particular time for the
data centers, would we be allowed to do

2102
02:54:47,359 --> 02:54:54,319
it and still have protection to give you
January, February to make specific

2103
02:54:51,200 --> 02:54:58,880
adjustments in the UDO and do an
amendment at that point or we locked

2104
02:54:55,760 --> 02:55:02,080
into having to hold the whole UD up UDO
up until we get the data center

2105
02:55:00,560 --> 02:55:10,880
information in there?
>> We are not held up. The board could

2106
02:55:06,000 --> 02:55:16,000
adopt the UDO, revised UDO without
um data center regulations if the data

2107
02:55:13,840 --> 02:55:22,319
center regulations required more work
before they were ready. The adoption of

2108
02:55:19,120 --> 02:55:27,040
the new UDO without data center
regulations

2109
02:55:23,920 --> 02:55:31,439
would not repeal the moratorum
because the moratorum is not tied if a

2110
02:55:29,600 --> 02:55:38,080
moratorum was approved because the
moratorum is not tied to the UDO. is

2111
02:55:34,399 --> 02:55:42,160
tied to the approval of new zoning
regulations regarding data centers, data

2112
02:55:40,160 --> 02:55:47,920
processing facilities, cryptocurrency
mining and similar uses. So the UDO

2113
02:55:46,080 --> 02:55:55,200
could go forward ahead of the data
centers but the moratorum if passed

2114
02:55:52,160 --> 02:55:59,920
would not expire until the data center
piece is adopted even if the whole rest

2115
02:55:57,920 --> 02:56:02,880
of the UDO was adopted first.
>> Thank you for that clarification. It

2116
02:56:01,040 --> 02:56:06,319
wouldn't slow us up if we ran into more
questions and concerns. It would let the

2117
02:56:04,720 --> 02:56:10,240
county go forward everything else and
still provide us protection

2118
02:56:08,000 --> 02:56:14,880
» until June.
Thank you, sir.

2119
02:56:10,800 --> 02:56:17,279
» Uh you we can always amend the unified
development ordinance.

2120
02:56:16,160 --> 02:56:20,279
» Correct.
>> Right.

2121
02:56:22,319 --> 02:56:29,399
Okay. Any other discussion on the uh
proposed

2122
02:56:26,399 --> 02:56:29,399
resolution?

2123
02:56:30,080 --> 02:56:40,640
All right. Uh, seeing none, we had a we
have a motion. So, uh, all in let's see,

2124
02:56:37,040 --> 02:56:46,479
hold, give me one minute here.
All in favor of the, uh, motion as

2125
02:56:43,920 --> 02:56:51,439
presented for
moratorum

2126
02:56:48,319 --> 02:56:56,880
uh, related to data center and data
processing facility and cryptocurrency

2127
02:56:54,000 --> 02:56:58,479
mining. Let it be known by raising your
right hand.

2128
02:56:57,520 --> 02:57:01,200
» Mr. Chairman.
>> Yeah.

2129
02:56:58,880 --> 02:57:06,800
» If I can just clarify, we're only voting
on the to hold the public hearing

2130
02:57:04,399 --> 02:57:09,520
at the next meeting. The board is not
voting on the moratorum today.

2131
02:57:09,120 --> 02:57:13,120
» No,
>> they would vote on the moratorum at the

2132
02:57:11,439 --> 02:57:16,000
next meeting.
>> I can read my motion again, sir, if you

2133
02:57:14,800 --> 02:57:20,000
like.
>> Right. Read read your motion again.

2134
02:57:17,600 --> 02:57:24,240
» Yes, sir. Uh that the motion here is for
the board is being asked to adopt the

2135
02:57:22,160 --> 02:57:30,399
attached resolution to hold a public
hearing Tuesday, September the 8th, 2026

2136
02:57:27,520 --> 02:57:33,760
at 9:00 a.m. and direct the clerk of the
board to publish notice to the public

2137
02:57:32,080 --> 02:57:37,960
for the hearing in accordance to general
statute 16-601.

2138
02:57:38,720 --> 02:57:45,279
» All right,
you heard the motion. All in favor of

2139
02:57:43,600 --> 02:57:48,319
the motion, let it be known raise your
right hand.

2140
02:57:46,319 --> 02:57:52,359
» Second. Who second?
All all in favor of the motion.

2141
02:57:53,920 --> 02:58:01,240
» All oppose the motion.
>> All right. Motion car.

2142
02:58:07,279 --> 02:58:14,600
» All right.
Let's move to the uh next

2143
02:58:15,840 --> 02:58:29,359
item number 21.
Uh take uh yeah, item number 21. Uh Mr.

2144
02:58:24,720 --> 02:58:35,680
Boone on the Southern Nash Middle School
offsite traffic improvement project.

2145
02:58:33,600 --> 02:58:38,960
» Good afternoon. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mhm.

2146
02:58:36,240 --> 02:58:42,160
» Um item I have before you today is task
order for Southern Ash Middle School

2147
02:58:40,640 --> 02:58:46,000
offsite traffic improvements. As the
board is aware, uh construction is

2148
02:58:44,080 --> 02:58:50,240
currently underway on Southern New
Southern Ash Middle School near the

2149
02:58:47,840 --> 02:58:54,640
intersection of 581 and NC97. That
school is expected to open in the fall

2150
02:58:51,760 --> 02:59:00,640
of 2027. Uh, construction of the new
school necessitates construction of

2151
02:58:56,560 --> 02:59:05,840
several off-site improvements along NC97
and NC581 based on proposed access

2152
02:59:03,520 --> 02:59:09,279
points and the anticipated increase in
traffic volumes related to the new

2153
02:59:07,439 --> 02:59:14,080
school. Construction of these
improvements are required as con a

2154
02:59:11,680 --> 02:59:17,439
condition of approval of the driveway
permits to be issued by the North

2155
02:59:15,920 --> 02:59:21,600
Carolina Department of Transportation
because both NC routes are under the

2156
02:59:19,439 --> 02:59:26,399
jurisdiction of the North Carolina
Department of Transportation. Uh Nash

2157
02:59:23,840 --> 02:59:31,680
County Public Schools has confirmed that
they are agreeable to Nash County

2158
02:59:28,720 --> 02:59:36,240
funding and managing
uh responsibility for this work. Uh, and

2159
02:59:34,319 --> 02:59:39,600
it's important to note that this expense
is eligible for reimbursement by the

2160
02:59:38,160 --> 02:59:45,840
North Carolina Department of Trans
Transportation as outlined in North

2161
02:59:42,160 --> 02:59:52,399
Carolina General Statutes 136-18
uh, subsection 29A and North Carolina

2162
02:59:48,399 --> 02:59:56,399
General Statutes 168-307.1.
Uh, so the recommendation from staff is

2163
02:59:54,640 --> 03:00:00,560
that the board of commissioners approve
task order 2 with stocks engineering.

2164
02:59:58,160 --> 03:00:05,760
They will be managing this work. Uh task
order two is uh enabled because of the

2165
03:00:03,439 --> 03:00:10,319
master services agreements that master
services agreement that was approved by

2166
03:00:07,279 --> 03:00:14,319
the board last month. Uh and uh once
approved, authorize the county manager

2167
03:00:11,920 --> 03:00:18,479
to execute same on behalf of the board.
Uh and with that said, I'd be glad to

2168
03:00:16,000 --> 03:00:23,520
answer any questions that you may have.
>> All right. Any discussion question for

2169
03:00:21,359 --> 03:00:28,399
Mr. Boon?
>> Mr. here.

2170
03:00:25,920 --> 03:00:32,960
» There was a question you said uh in
regards to this the school had

2171
03:00:30,479 --> 03:00:37,040
authorized us to I know we got an email
in here from the school stated that but

2172
03:00:35,120 --> 03:00:40,800
has the school board had any knowledge
or discussion or voted on this?

2173
03:00:39,120 --> 03:00:44,080
» Our conversation has been with the
superintendent. My conversation with the

2174
03:00:42,399 --> 03:00:49,600
superintendent so I do not interact with
the board. Um but again I I made an

2175
03:00:47,760 --> 03:00:55,439
inquiry to the board that was a response
we received from the superintendent uh

2176
03:00:51,920 --> 03:01:00,640
to confirm that the school uh system uh
would uh be amanable to the county

2177
03:00:58,479 --> 03:01:04,560
managing the off-site improvements like
we have we are managing the off-site

2178
03:01:02,720 --> 03:01:09,439
utility improvements. Uh I don't know
that the traffic improvements were

2179
03:01:06,160 --> 03:01:12,720
necessarily um discussed or conceived uh
at the beginning of the project. Uh but

2180
03:01:11,279 --> 03:01:17,120
honestly I was not a part of those
conversations. Um, but again, our our

2181
03:01:15,600 --> 03:01:20,560
conversation has been directly with the
superintendent, not with the school

2182
03:01:18,399 --> 03:01:25,359
board.
>> So, I mean, I fully support us doing

2183
03:01:23,120 --> 03:01:29,359
this and spending the money to do so
because we get reimbursed from the

2184
03:01:26,800 --> 03:01:34,319
state. But I do have a problem moving
forward and and voting to support it

2185
03:01:32,560 --> 03:01:38,640
without the awareness of the school
board. And and since our agenda meeting,

2186
03:01:36,960 --> 03:01:42,240
I had had conversation with the chairman
and there was no discussion with the

2187
03:01:40,240 --> 03:01:46,160
chairman and another board member as
well in regards to this. So there's to

2188
03:01:44,479 --> 03:01:50,240
my knowledge not been an official vote
taken or even a consensus vote. There's

2189
03:01:48,479 --> 03:01:55,120
been discussion a while back, but
nothing in the recent times.

2190
03:01:52,080 --> 03:01:59,279
» Right. So, why would we take a vote as a
board without support from the school

2191
03:01:57,600 --> 03:02:02,479
board first?
>> Again, I I I I know the county manager

2192
03:02:01,520 --> 03:02:05,520
had conversation with the
superintendent. I'll defer to her after

2193
03:02:03,920 --> 03:02:08,399
our agenda planning meeting last week.
The manager reached out to the

2194
03:02:07,120 --> 03:02:11,920
superintendent so she may want to weigh
in on this conversation.

2195
03:02:09,760 --> 03:02:16,399
» Correct. I spoke with the superintendent
um and also Angie Miller and it's my

2196
03:02:14,160 --> 03:02:23,279
understanding that in the planning of
this project um we had um Commissioner

2197
03:02:20,000 --> 03:02:28,399
Davis on that committee and the off-site
improvements were agreed upon that the

2198
03:02:25,359 --> 03:02:33,680
county would handle those. Um so this
this is just another one of the off-site

2199
03:02:30,399 --> 03:02:38,160
improvements. So this was this wasn't um
a board decision. It was part of the

2200
03:02:36,319 --> 03:02:42,240
planning of the whole project
altogether. And I guess I'm not trying

2201
03:02:40,399 --> 03:02:46,160
to be controversial, but my whole
argument was we made a point earlier

2202
03:02:44,000 --> 03:02:51,040
today that one person was doing
negotiations was a claim for purchasing

2203
03:02:48,880 --> 03:02:54,160
property. Are we allowing one person of
the board to make that decision for our

2204
03:02:52,800 --> 03:02:58,600
board ahead of time or does it take the
majority of the board to make that

2205
03:02:55,600 --> 03:02:58,600
decision?

2206
03:03:02,880 --> 03:03:10,960
Uh do you
>> Commissioner Howell, uh as we understand

2207
03:03:08,000 --> 03:03:15,279
this is a traffic light improvement that
we're going to be reimbursed by the

2208
03:03:13,439 --> 03:03:17,200
state once it's done. Correct.
>> Correct.

2209
03:03:15,760 --> 03:03:21,120
» And there's no issue with that.
>> And there has to be a traffic light

2210
03:03:19,600 --> 03:03:26,080
there.
Uh

2211
03:03:23,200 --> 03:03:30,640
the the pointed at topic here is the
fact that there's been no knowledge and

2212
03:03:28,560 --> 03:03:36,080
support from the board of commissioners
of the school system acknowledging that

2213
03:03:33,279 --> 03:03:41,279
a request for us to spend $500,000.
We've also had an email sent to us from

2214
03:03:39,359 --> 03:03:46,720
the school system requesting us to to
spend money to put in a new septic

2215
03:03:42,960 --> 03:03:49,760
system for the new elementary school
that's supposed to be built. But the

2216
03:03:48,000 --> 03:03:54,319
board has not taken action on that yet
neither. And here again, I'm just seeing

2217
03:03:51,680 --> 03:03:58,240
a pattern. To me, the school board
should vote on this matter first. Once

2218
03:03:56,880 --> 03:04:02,240
it's voted on and the school board
approves it, then send it over to us and

2219
03:03:59,760 --> 03:04:06,479
then this board votes on it. We we
didn't act off earlier of purchasing and

2220
03:04:04,240 --> 03:04:10,399
enter into a contract with one person.
So why would we look at and again I

2221
03:04:08,800 --> 03:04:15,840
fully support this and it makes sense,
but it's the process that I have a

2222
03:04:12,240 --> 03:04:19,200
concern with here, not the action. So we
need to have a precedence to set it

2223
03:04:17,840 --> 03:04:23,200
should take the majority of the school
board to support something that's

2224
03:04:20,880 --> 03:04:26,000
communicated to us in writing. This
board would take a vote on it and

2225
03:04:24,560 --> 03:04:29,840
whatever that majority vote is that's
the action we take.

2226
03:04:27,600 --> 03:04:35,840
» Okay.
Well, I want just say this. Look,

2227
03:04:33,040 --> 03:04:39,680
the superintendent represent the board
of education.

2228
03:04:37,600 --> 03:04:44,080
And if the superintendent sends us
something, we act on it with the

2229
03:04:41,680 --> 03:04:49,520
assumption that the board of education
has approved his action. And I'm not

2230
03:04:47,200 --> 03:04:58,160
questioning whether the board of
education has approved or not. I'm

2231
03:04:53,520 --> 03:05:02,800
moving on the assumption that the the
superintendent

2232
03:04:59,840 --> 03:05:10,560
for credibility purposes is acting in
favor of his board. Commissioner Davis.

2233
03:05:08,560 --> 03:05:16,479
» Well, I think you just covered what I
would say about it. Uh, all along the

2234
03:05:13,680 --> 03:05:20,880
county has taken responsibility to do
onsite improvement on that project. And

2235
03:05:19,279 --> 03:05:25,600
of course, the whole project is run
through the county because of the tight

2236
03:05:22,560 --> 03:05:30,319
bending that it is. Uh, we approve all
payments. Uh, actually there's a

2237
03:05:28,160 --> 03:05:34,880
signature off from you, Mr. Chairman, as
well as the chairman of the school board

2238
03:05:32,560 --> 03:05:40,399
at the time. each time we have a payment
to approve according to the way the

2239
03:05:37,120 --> 03:05:44,160
grant was written. So, M I I
Commissioner, I I really don't

2240
03:05:41,920 --> 03:05:50,560
understand what your question is. It
It's not a vote needed by the school

2241
03:05:47,120 --> 03:05:55,040
board once they have adopted
uh an ordinance saying they going to

2242
03:05:52,800 --> 03:05:58,800
build this school. I'm just just not
following you.

2243
03:05:56,479 --> 03:06:03,600
» Well, we have ordinance here, too, sir.
I mean, the county manager spends money

2244
03:06:01,200 --> 03:06:07,600
up to $10,000. Anything over $10,000
requires the approval of this board. I'm

2245
03:06:06,319 --> 03:06:11,840
going to make an assumption here that
the school board has similar things in

2246
03:06:09,279 --> 03:06:17,520
place and we're being asked to spend
$500,000. So that well exceeds a $10,000

2247
03:06:15,120 --> 03:06:24,399
limit. The other request is for over a
million dollars. So I guess my my point

2248
03:06:20,960 --> 03:06:31,200
of question would be to the attorney.
Is there any legal ramifications to us

2249
03:06:28,880 --> 03:06:35,200
if we take a vote and we approve to
spend money without the approval of the

2250
03:06:32,880 --> 03:06:40,560
school board approving it first with
only taking an email from a staff member

2251
03:06:38,800 --> 03:06:44,640
from the school system regardless of
what that position may be.

2252
03:06:42,800 --> 03:06:47,200
» It's it's my understanding that the
county owns that property.

2253
03:06:46,800 --> 03:06:51,840
» Correct.
>> Is that correct? So, we would be making

2254
03:06:49,760 --> 03:06:55,359
the improvements on behalf of the county
for the property the county owns. But

2255
03:06:53,920 --> 03:06:58,560
keep in mind these improvements are in
the rightway. So they're not on private

2256
03:06:57,040 --> 03:07:01,200
property. They would be in the rightway.
Continuous to the project,

2257
03:06:59,840 --> 03:07:02,880
» but they're contiguous for our
development of the project.

2258
03:07:02,399 --> 03:07:05,680
» Correct.
>> Then there's no legal ramifications for

2259
03:07:04,880 --> 03:07:10,399
that.
>> Okay. For this case. Now, what about the

2260
03:07:08,319 --> 03:07:12,960
if it on the septic system which is on
other property that's not owned by

2261
03:07:11,680 --> 03:07:16,800
» I would have to
>> Can you research that and get back?

2262
03:07:14,720 --> 03:07:19,800
» I would able to be able to answer that
question.

2263
03:07:19,920 --> 03:07:26,960
» Commissioner Le.
>> Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh I I have

2264
03:07:24,160 --> 03:07:32,319
no issue taking action on this item. Uh
as I see it, it's part of the county's

2265
03:07:28,880 --> 03:07:38,880
responsibility for this project and uh
we sought guidance from the um head of

2266
03:07:35,760 --> 03:07:44,640
the school systems to proceed
and I don't see this as us superseding

2267
03:07:41,920 --> 03:07:49,359
any type of um action that the school
board would need to take. Um so thank

2268
03:07:47,600 --> 03:07:53,720
you.
>> All right. Any other discussion?

2269
03:07:54,479 --> 03:08:02,200
Okay, let me get back down here. So, I
need a motion to approve the uh

2270
03:08:02,720 --> 03:08:09,760
task order two with stocks engineering
and authorize county manage to execute

2271
03:08:08,399 --> 03:08:13,120
the same.
>> So move.

2272
03:08:12,080 --> 03:08:18,000
» Second.
>> That was Commissioner Davis.

2273
03:08:14,640 --> 03:08:22,560
» Commissioner Davis made the motion and
Commissioner Leot made the second. All

2274
03:08:20,800 --> 03:08:26,399
right. Any further discussion on the
motion? All in favor of the motion, let

2275
03:08:24,880 --> 03:08:28,640
it be known by saying I.
>> I.

2276
03:08:27,359 --> 03:08:33,359
» All opposed.
>> I.

2277
03:08:30,080 --> 03:08:37,680
» All right. Commissioner uh Howell voted
against.

2278
03:08:35,520 --> 03:08:45,040
Motion carried.
Okay, Mr. Boone. Uh item number 22, Mech

2279
03:08:41,600 --> 03:08:49,279
Park low voltage wiring contract.
>> Yes, sir. Uh next item is a change order

2280
03:08:47,359 --> 03:08:54,399
with Network South. uh that is the
vendor assisting uh the county with the

2281
03:08:51,840 --> 03:08:58,800
low voltage wiring uh improvements. Uh
and that's really to provide uh network

2282
03:08:56,240 --> 03:09:03,120
connectivity and wireless access at the
Med Park building. Uh and this change

2283
03:09:01,359 --> 03:09:07,200
order covers the cost of the network
hardware required to build out the

2284
03:09:04,960 --> 03:09:11,279
network closets of which there are four
on this project and provide wireless

2285
03:09:09,359 --> 03:09:17,840
access throughout the facility. The
change order totals $92,286.88

2286
03:09:14,800 --> 03:09:22,120
88 uh and if approved would result in
amended contract amount of $352,94923

2287
03:09:22,640 --> 03:09:28,479
and no additional time being add added
to the contract. Uh staff is

2288
03:09:26,960 --> 03:09:32,319
recommending the board approve the
attached change order and authorize the

2289
03:09:30,080 --> 03:09:38,080
county manager andor her designate
execute.

2290
03:09:35,200 --> 03:09:41,760
» All right. Uh any discussion for Mr.
Boone?

2291
03:09:39,760 --> 03:09:46,800
Commissioner Davis,
>> just an update on where we stand for

2292
03:09:43,920 --> 03:09:50,080
contingency funds. Do we cover are we
able to cover this out of contingencies

2293
03:09:48,479 --> 03:09:52,800
for the project?
>> Yes.

2294
03:09:50,640 --> 03:09:58,399
» Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
>> All right.

2295
03:09:54,800 --> 03:10:04,080
Any other discussion, Mr. B? Seeing
none, can I get a motion

2296
03:10:01,359 --> 03:10:09,600
to approve the change order authorize
the county manager to execute the same

2297
03:10:06,800 --> 03:10:13,359
with the meg park building renovation?
>> So moved.

2298
03:10:11,040 --> 03:10:16,640
» Moved by Commissioner Wilkins.
>> Second.

2299
03:10:13,920 --> 03:10:21,680
» Second by Commissioner Leot.
Uh any discussion on the motion? All

2300
03:10:19,520 --> 03:10:23,840
right. All in favor of motion, let it be
known by saying I.

2301
03:10:22,880 --> 03:10:31,120
» I.
>> All oppose. Motion carried.

2302
03:10:27,279 --> 03:10:33,040
All right. Thank you, Mr. Boo.
>> Ready for next item?

2303
03:10:32,160 --> 03:10:36,319
» Yes.
>> All right. While we're uh while we're on

2304
03:10:34,479 --> 03:10:40,720
the theme of change orders, uh same
project, different contract. Um I have

2305
03:10:39,040 --> 03:10:44,319
two change orders. Change orders four
and five with Salsbury Moore. They're

2306
03:10:42,560 --> 03:10:48,960
the general contractor on the overall
building renovation project. Uh and this

2307
03:10:46,800 --> 03:10:52,399
change order is related to uh again the
Med Park building project and

2308
03:10:50,399 --> 03:10:58,640
replacement of additional flooring in
the building. uh and also additional

2309
03:10:55,439 --> 03:11:04,399
electrical work requested by MIS uh in
the network closets uh where the u uh

2310
03:11:02,319 --> 03:11:10,200
items in the preceding change order
would be housed. Uh these change orders

2311
03:11:06,720 --> 03:11:10,200
total $68,53749

2312
03:11:10,560 --> 03:11:17,960
and if approved will uh result in a
revised contract amount of $3,582,2259

2313
03:11:19,760 --> 03:11:26,640
and a revision to the substantial
completion date. uh and it will change

2314
03:11:23,760 --> 03:11:30,240
that to November 23rd of this year. Uh
the cost of the additional flooring work

2315
03:11:28,399 --> 03:11:33,840
will be paid for using funds from the
health department and the cost of the

2316
03:11:32,080 --> 03:11:38,560
electrical work will be paid for using
contingency funds approved uh in

2317
03:11:36,479 --> 03:11:41,200
conjunction with the project. Uh and the
recommendation is that the board of

2318
03:11:40,000 --> 03:11:44,880
commissioners approve the attached
change orders and authorize the county

2319
03:11:42,720 --> 03:11:52,399
manager to execute same.
>> All right. Uh you any discussion from M?

2320
03:11:49,600 --> 03:11:56,000
Any question?
Seeing none, is there a motion to

2321
03:11:54,000 --> 03:12:00,479
approve the change order?
>> Move for approval.

2322
03:11:57,359 --> 03:12:05,920
» All right, Commissioner Le. Second.
Second. Second by Commissioner Outlaw.

2323
03:12:03,279 --> 03:12:08,399
Any further discussion? All in favor of
motion. Let it be known saying I.

2324
03:12:07,439 --> 03:12:14,840
» I.
>> All oppose. Motion carrot. All right.

2325
03:12:11,840 --> 03:12:14,840
Thanks.

2326
03:12:15,040 --> 03:12:23,840
Okay. Item number 24,
Miss Nikki Stanton, North Carolina

2327
03:12:21,760 --> 03:12:28,560
Department Environmental Quality Grant,
wastewater and water infrastructure

2328
03:12:26,560 --> 03:12:32,560
project capital project ordinance
amendment three.

2329
03:12:31,600 --> 03:12:34,960
» Good afternoon.
>> All right.

2330
03:12:32,880 --> 03:12:40,800
» Uh the first project ordinance amendment
is for the NCDQ grant. Um, and basically

2331
03:12:38,479 --> 03:12:47,439
what this amendment is doing is moving
um some funds from construction um into

2332
03:12:44,399 --> 03:12:51,359
construction from software and um
equipment. It's just to make sure that

2333
03:12:49,359 --> 03:12:54,960
we're covered in the areas that we need
uh these funds to pay all the bills for

2334
03:12:53,200 --> 03:12:59,359
this project.
>> All right. Any questions from Miss

2335
03:12:56,560 --> 03:13:03,200
Stanton?
>> All right. Seeing none, is there a

2336
03:13:00,720 --> 03:13:09,040
motion to approve the amendment capital
project? So move

2337
03:13:05,279 --> 03:13:11,200
» moved by Commissioner Davis.
Is there a second?

2338
03:13:10,000 --> 03:13:16,319
» Second.
>> Second by Commissioner Wilkins.

2339
03:13:14,560 --> 03:13:19,439
» All right. Any further discussion on the
motion?

2340
03:13:18,000 --> 03:13:20,880
All in favor of motion. Let it be known
by saying I.

2341
03:13:20,240 --> 03:13:27,200
» I.
>> All oppose. Motion carries.

2342
03:13:24,479 --> 03:13:30,399
Okay. Item number 25.
Uh

2343
03:13:28,720 --> 03:13:34,479
county capital project and fund
ordinance amendment. The attached

2344
03:13:32,880 --> 03:13:39,279
project ordinance is presented to amend
the senior center expansion project. Uh

2345
03:13:37,040 --> 03:13:43,760
the request is to move the 5% county
match of $23,750

2346
03:13:41,840 --> 03:13:47,840
from the construction line into the
renovation line for grant reporting

2347
03:13:45,439 --> 03:13:51,600
purposes. The grant that we received for
this can only be used for renovations,

2348
03:13:49,600 --> 03:13:54,880
not for construction. The match should
follow that as well. So this is just

2349
03:13:53,439 --> 03:14:01,800
amending that to move it to the
renovation line.

2350
03:13:57,439 --> 03:14:01,800
» All right. Any question?

2351
03:14:01,920 --> 03:14:07,040
Seeing none. Is there a motion to
approve the amendment?

2352
03:14:05,439 --> 03:14:11,279
» So moved. Second.
>> Moved by Commissioner Wilkins. Second by

2353
03:14:09,520 --> 03:14:14,560
Commissioner
>> How?

2354
03:14:12,239 --> 03:14:18,800
» Second by Commissioner Bfield.
>> Any further discussion on the motion?

2355
03:14:17,040 --> 03:14:20,000
» All in favor? Let it be known by saying
I.

2356
03:14:19,200 --> 03:14:28,439
» I.
>> All oppose. Okay. Motion carried.

2357
03:14:23,840 --> 03:14:28,439
Okay. Item number 26.

2358
03:14:28,560 --> 03:14:34,720
» Okay. Budget amendments. Um the first
budget amendment for this month is uh to

2359
03:14:33,200 --> 03:14:40,399
budget Nash County Sheriff's Office
citizen support donations for community

2360
03:14:37,200 --> 03:14:44,720
support. So this is taking the $2191
from citizen support revenue and moving

2361
03:14:42,640 --> 03:14:48,479
it to the community support expense line
so that they can support a back to

2362
03:14:46,319 --> 03:14:52,319
school event.
The second request is for the asset

2363
03:14:50,160 --> 03:14:56,800
forfeite funds. This budget amendment is
to reappropriate unspent 26 Department

2364
03:14:54,880 --> 03:15:00,720
of Treasury funds and Department of
Justice funds for the swiftwater rescue

2365
03:14:59,200 --> 03:15:07,239
needs, including the boat and other
expenses. The amount of those of this uh

2366
03:15:03,439 --> 03:15:07,239
budget amendment is for $23,48.

2367
03:15:08,160 --> 03:15:13,840
The third request is the control
substance. This budget amendment is to

2368
03:15:11,600 --> 03:15:18,800
reappropriate unspent 26 controlled
substance tax and investment earnings um

2369
03:15:17,040 --> 03:15:25,319
from the revenue line to the expenditure
line for equipment supplies for weapons

2370
03:15:20,960 --> 03:15:25,319
and optics in the amount of $53,311.

2371
03:15:26,160 --> 03:15:31,760
The fourth request is to budget
additional funds from the enhanced

2372
03:15:29,520 --> 03:15:36,720
voluntary agricultural district for
legal services for partial termination

2373
03:15:34,080 --> 03:15:42,720
of enrollment in the program. Uh this
was a an investment um in the farmland

2374
03:15:40,960 --> 03:15:47,120
preservation enhanced voluntary
agricultural district and they were

2375
03:15:45,040 --> 03:15:52,080
terminated. There was a $300 legal
amount uh legal services that we were

2376
03:15:49,439 --> 03:15:55,040
reimbursed by that um land owner. So
this is taking that revenue and taking

2377
03:15:53,760 --> 03:15:59,680
care of that legal expense that we
incurred.

2378
03:15:56,560 --> 03:16:03,120
And number five um this dollar amount is
different than what was originally put

2379
03:16:01,359 --> 03:16:06,960
in your packet. Um we got new numbers
from the state. So, this is just the

2380
03:16:05,040 --> 03:16:11,600
budget amendment move um for the new
revenue um amount from the local

2381
03:16:09,439 --> 03:16:15,120
workforce development state funding and
it's moving it to the expense line for

2382
03:16:13,200 --> 03:16:18,600
the local workforce development line in
the amount of $359,846.

2383
03:16:20,399 --> 03:16:26,680
» Are there any questions?
>> All right. Any questions from Miss

2384
03:16:23,680 --> 03:16:26,680
Stanton?

2385
03:16:27,760 --> 03:16:35,760
» Hearing none. Uh
well, I entertain a motion to accept all

2386
03:16:34,000 --> 03:16:41,040
amendments.
>> Move for approval.

2387
03:16:37,920 --> 03:16:47,279
» Motion by Commissioner Le.
Second. Second by Commissioner How that

2388
03:16:44,160 --> 03:16:52,319
we approve all the budget amendments.
Uh any further discussion?

2389
03:16:50,720 --> 03:16:56,479
Seeing none, all in favor of the motion,
let it be known by saying I. I.

2390
03:16:54,560 --> 03:16:59,600
» All oppose. Motion carries.
>> Thank you.

2391
03:16:56,880 --> 03:16:59,600
» Thank you.

2392
03:16:59,840 --> 03:17:12,000
Okay. Number 27, Miss uh Tool.
>> Um Chairman, excuse me. We added 26A.

2393
03:17:07,840 --> 03:17:16,319
» Yeah, we did. And what was 26A?
>> Uh for uh Commissioner How wanted to

2394
03:17:14,319 --> 03:17:24,720
make a request for a letter of support.
>> Oh, yes. Right. Sorry. Thank you, Mr.

2395
03:17:19,520 --> 03:17:30,880
Chairman. Thank you, Madam Manager. Uh,
I come today seeking support from my

2396
03:17:27,359 --> 03:17:36,000
fellow colleagues to a letter of support
for the Southern Nash Wastewater and

2397
03:17:33,359 --> 03:17:41,279
Sewer Authority. uh as far as in regards
to meeting with elected officials over

2398
03:17:38,319 --> 03:17:44,800
the next few weeks and just seeking
basically a consensus vote that everyone

2399
03:17:43,279 --> 03:17:50,560
is in support of me doing that and
asking for financial support from our

2400
03:17:47,760 --> 03:17:54,760
state and federal elected officials to
bring funds back to Nash County.

2401
03:17:55,040 --> 03:18:04,720
» All right, you've heard the request is
I'm well I'll entertain a motion.

2402
03:18:03,359 --> 03:18:08,560
Is there a motion?
>> I just had a question.

2403
03:18:06,239 --> 03:18:12,239
» Okay, one question before the a motion.
Go ahead. Question.

2404
03:18:09,600 --> 03:18:18,319
» Okay. Um, since this is brand new on our
desk this morning, um, can you give some

2405
03:18:16,000 --> 03:18:22,319
more background about the Southern Nash
Water and Sewer Authority?

2406
03:18:20,560 --> 03:18:25,680
» So, we're still having meetings.
Commissioner Davis and I had a meeting,

2407
03:18:24,000 --> 03:18:30,640
I think it was last week, I believe it
was Monday, and getting updates and

2408
03:18:28,000 --> 03:18:34,399
looking at additional alternatives. Um,
Mr. Boon making comment. We also had a

2409
03:18:32,800 --> 03:18:40,000
conference call Friday morning with some
new technology. Um the purpose of this

2410
03:18:37,920 --> 03:18:44,399
letter of support is basically just
seeking their assistance. The whole hold

2411
03:18:42,160 --> 03:18:48,000
up once we finalize option A and B that
we can do and bring back to the board.

2412
03:18:46,479 --> 03:18:52,160
Even if we approve it, the whole
holdup's going to be funding for this

2413
03:18:49,520 --> 03:18:56,560
and we're still looking at 100 to $120
million as it currently stands. So even

2414
03:18:55,200 --> 03:19:00,399
if we agree to move forward, we need
financial assistance to help us with

2415
03:18:58,640 --> 03:19:05,279
that. And this letter is basically going
out and having these conversations to

2416
03:19:02,640 --> 03:19:08,560
the latest start to get those requests
in that once we do make a decision on

2417
03:19:07,359 --> 03:19:12,000
what we're going to do and move forward
that we can get it sourcing for it for

2418
03:19:10,319 --> 03:19:16,000
us financially.
>> Okay. So at this time the partners are

2419
03:19:14,640 --> 03:19:19,520
um Bailey Middle Sex
>> correct the county has not got in the

2420
03:19:18,080 --> 03:19:22,960
authority yet. We're waiting till we get
everything together

2421
03:19:21,120 --> 03:19:25,680
» and there's still potential uh in the
last meeting there was conversations

2422
03:19:24,319 --> 03:19:29,840
with Spring Lake as well. They did
attend the meetings

2423
03:19:27,359 --> 03:19:32,880
» and what the what the vote is today.
What you're asking for is this letter

2424
03:19:32,239 --> 03:19:36,640
specifically?
>> Yes, ma'am. Just I don't I'm going to go

2425
03:19:35,120 --> 03:19:40,160
regardless and have these conversations,
but I'd rather have the blessing and

2426
03:19:38,239 --> 03:19:43,840
support from my fellow colleagues on
this to bring funds back to the county

2427
03:19:42,080 --> 03:19:47,760
to save the taxpayers and Nash County
funding.

2428
03:19:45,840 --> 03:19:51,600
» And there's no specific amount on this
letter at this time because we haven't

2429
03:19:49,600 --> 03:19:57,520
finalized.
>> But I didn't want to misrepresent the

2430
03:19:53,439 --> 03:20:00,720
board without their approval. Mhm.
>> All right. Uh,

2431
03:19:58,800 --> 03:20:05,279
» Mr. Chairman, are we saying we've got
something

2432
03:20:02,720 --> 03:20:07,920
that we we've got before us this
morning?

2433
03:20:06,319 --> 03:20:11,120
» What this is?
>> Yes, sir.

2434
03:20:09,040 --> 03:20:17,680
» Thumb through uh support of Southern
Nash Water and Sewer Authorities.

2435
03:20:15,439 --> 03:20:21,600
Okay. I'll put my hand on. I had seen
it.

2436
03:20:18,080 --> 03:20:25,760
» Okay. All right.
>> Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion for

2437
03:20:22,960 --> 03:20:25,760
approval. All

2438
03:20:26,800 --> 03:20:32,399
right. Uh,
Commissioner Howard made a motion. Is

2439
03:20:31,200 --> 03:20:35,920
there a second?
>> Second.

2440
03:20:33,359 --> 03:20:41,680
» Second by Commissioner Outlaw. Okay.
Okay, we're still open for discussion on

2441
03:20:38,160 --> 03:20:46,560
the motion that uh we support uh
Commissioner House and his effort to

2442
03:20:44,399 --> 03:20:51,680
find financial support for the Southern
Nash Water and Sewer

2443
03:20:49,920 --> 03:20:56,640
uh
authority system that they are trying to

2444
03:20:54,720 --> 03:20:59,640
develop.
>> Correct.

2445
03:20:59,680 --> 03:21:07,760
Commissioner Day. Uh,
of course I I very quickly speeded read

2446
03:21:05,520 --> 03:21:12,880
that. Don't know that I understand it.
But how is this uh different from what

2447
03:21:10,399 --> 03:21:19,600
we normally do where we establish a set
of goals and request funding uh for the

2448
03:21:16,800 --> 03:21:23,840
county once a year with our legislators?
What's the difference in this and what

2449
03:21:21,520 --> 03:21:28,000
we generally do?
>> May I respond, Mr. Chairman?

2450
03:21:25,760 --> 03:21:32,720
» Yes. Okay. Thank you, Commissioner
Davis. this here uh due to invitations

2451
03:21:30,399 --> 03:21:37,040
that was extended to me by some of our
state officials and also some of our

2452
03:21:34,720 --> 03:21:39,760
federal elected officials. This is just
laying the groundwork to your point that

2453
03:21:38,479 --> 03:21:44,800
we're going to come back at a later time
and do those ask and that I don't want

2454
03:21:42,720 --> 03:21:47,920
to speak on behalf of the board without
their knowledge of it and approval of

2455
03:21:46,399 --> 03:21:51,760
it.
The the procedure that we've been doing

2456
03:21:49,520 --> 03:21:55,520
would still take the same place. This is
just laying the groundwork since the ask

2457
03:21:53,840 --> 03:21:58,800
is going to be so large in this. It's
going to take our state elected

2458
03:21:57,200 --> 03:22:04,640
officials and our federal elected
officials to support this project due to

2459
03:22:01,200 --> 03:22:10,720
the financial cost of it.
>> So, he want to be the representative to

2460
03:22:07,520 --> 03:22:16,720
uh speak on behalf of the board in
support of the project.

2461
03:22:15,279 --> 03:22:20,239
» And Commissioner Davis, as you're aware,
because you were in the meeting, we

2462
03:22:17,760 --> 03:22:24,239
haven't finalized which direction we're
going to go yet or option, should I say.

2463
03:22:22,560 --> 03:22:28,800
So, that's why there's no amount on
here. But again, I don't I want to be

2464
03:22:27,279 --> 03:22:32,640
transparent and just make sure that I'm
open and uh before I go represent the

2465
03:22:31,520 --> 03:22:39,359
board, I want to make sure the board's
aware of it and it approves it.

2466
03:22:36,080 --> 03:22:44,160
My only concern is, and I'm okay with
what you're saying. My only concern is

2467
03:22:42,560 --> 03:22:49,680
where we at today with that southern
wastewater treatment plant. Uh is we I

2468
03:22:47,760 --> 03:22:53,760
think we all pretty much know it's not
going to come to fruition or it seems

2469
03:22:51,439 --> 03:22:58,880
like it is not going to come to fruition
the way we were working it. Uh I

2470
03:22:56,479 --> 03:23:05,680
personally think part of the issue there
is the way it's been handled uh through

2471
03:23:02,640 --> 03:23:11,680
the process and I'm not going to get
into details about it but it it does

2472
03:23:08,319 --> 03:23:17,120
concern me uh why we lost the original
thought and I think I know why we lost

2473
03:23:14,239 --> 03:23:22,479
it but uh just with that said I think
it's a very needs to be moved forward

2474
03:23:19,920 --> 03:23:28,720
with a lot of precaution uh and not
alienate people uh any of our towns like

2475
03:23:26,080 --> 03:23:33,439
may have done been done before too
quickly because we lost the one

2476
03:23:30,479 --> 03:23:37,279
opportunity we had it appears like
always trying to mend things to move

2477
03:23:35,600 --> 03:23:42,319
forward with that treatment plant and
yes other alternatives we certainly need

2478
03:23:40,160 --> 03:23:46,479
to look at at this point because I don't
think we going to make it work how we

2479
03:23:44,319 --> 03:23:54,160
were we just got too many obstacles
where it was so uh

2480
03:23:50,319 --> 03:23:59,600
I personally think this could be done
without the support but ever how board

2481
03:23:57,200 --> 03:24:01,359
choose to do it. Thank you, Mr.
Chairman.

2482
03:24:00,720 --> 03:24:03,680
» All right,
>> Mr. Chairman.

2483
03:24:02,640 --> 03:24:08,479
» Yes, Commissioner W.
>> I just um

2484
03:24:06,000 --> 03:24:13,920
I want to ask by us supporting this
letter and it's evident that we need the

2485
03:24:11,359 --> 03:24:18,800
water and sewer in Southern Nash,
>> but by the board individually saying,

2486
03:24:17,120 --> 03:24:23,279
you know, we support this. We support
you getting funding. If you don't get

2487
03:24:21,040 --> 03:24:29,600
that funding,
will this letter be held up? If those

2488
03:24:26,880 --> 03:24:35,680
towns come to the board for so many
millions of dollars or and need our help

2489
03:24:32,560 --> 03:24:40,720
and we say we can't do it, then we you
get the opportunity to say, "Well, you

2490
03:24:37,760 --> 03:24:45,920
signed this letter in support of it."
Um, are you solely just going to the

2491
03:24:43,359 --> 03:24:50,720
state and federal for this?
>> Yes, ma'am. Just for clarification,

2492
03:24:48,640 --> 03:24:56,319
um, two of the three partners that have
been at these meetings, other towns, uh,

2493
03:24:53,840 --> 03:25:00,720
Middle Sex and Bailey, actually have
already jointly put together a letter

2494
03:24:58,800 --> 03:25:06,680
very similar to this and they're
actually having discussions today with

2495
03:25:02,560 --> 03:25:06,680
some elected official in Greensboro.

2496
03:25:07,200 --> 03:25:14,000
» It's it's a joint effort and the the way
we're going to be successful on this is

2497
03:25:12,080 --> 03:25:19,120
from a regional standpoint. Mhm.
>> The state and the federal has indicated

2498
03:25:15,920 --> 03:25:24,080
to us and and to Mr. Boon as well that
they're not seeking to give individual

2499
03:25:21,359 --> 03:25:28,560
towns or municipalities funding. They're
seeking to give a regional facility

2500
03:25:26,160 --> 03:25:32,880
because it it encompasses so much more
of the area and affects so many more

2501
03:25:30,160 --> 03:25:35,880
citizens in a positive way.
Okay.

2502
03:25:39,359 --> 03:25:43,319
» All right. Any other discussion?

2503
03:25:43,920 --> 03:25:50,960
Uh, all right. You
heard the motion. You understand the

2504
03:25:49,200 --> 03:25:53,439
motion?
All in favor of the motion, let it be

2505
03:25:52,319 --> 03:25:56,880
known by saying I.
>> I. I.

2506
03:25:54,640 --> 03:26:03,200
» All opposed.
>> Motion carried.

2507
03:25:59,520 --> 03:26:05,920
» Mr. Chair, can I make a comment?
>> Yeah. Yes, sir.

2508
03:26:04,319 --> 03:26:10,080
» Just want to thank my colleagues on this
and I'm trying to be fully transparent

2509
03:26:07,760 --> 03:26:12,800
in asking for these funds. I'm not
trying to move anything forward without

2510
03:26:11,760 --> 03:26:15,760
your acknowledgement and your
involvement. That is that's why I did

2511
03:26:14,239 --> 03:26:21,800
this. Thank you.
>> All right. Okay. We'll move to item

2512
03:26:18,479 --> 03:26:21,800
number 27.

2513
03:26:25,920 --> 03:26:32,560
» Good afternoon.
>> Good afternoon. Um, September is

2514
03:26:30,239 --> 03:26:36,479
recognized nationally as recovery month
to raise awareness of mental health and

2515
03:26:34,399 --> 03:26:40,319
substance use disorders, celebrate
individuals and families in recovery,

2516
03:26:38,239 --> 03:26:45,200
and recognize those who support recovery
efforts. This resolution affirms that

2517
03:26:43,200 --> 03:26:50,319
recovery is possible and highlights the
importance of reducing stigma, expanding

2518
03:26:47,840 --> 03:26:54,080
access to support, and creating a
community where individuals feel

2519
03:26:51,840 --> 03:26:58,319
encouraged to speak up. It also
recognizes the families, peer support

2520
03:26:56,160 --> 03:27:03,520
specialists, healthc care professionals,
first responders, treatment and recovery

2521
03:27:00,880 --> 03:27:08,479
providers, faith communities, nonprofit
organizations, and other partners

2522
03:27:05,040 --> 03:27:16,720
serving Nash County. Um, I have attached
uh in your packet a resolution um

2523
03:27:12,479 --> 03:27:22,640
recognizing September uh 2026 as
recovery month in Nash County. Would you

2524
03:27:19,120 --> 03:27:26,399
like me to read the resolution?
No, I don't think that's necessary. We

2525
03:27:24,319 --> 03:27:30,479
have it in the package. Any discussion
uh for Mr. Mr.

2526
03:27:28,800 --> 03:27:34,479
» Chairman, not to be disagreeing with
you, but I would like for us to read the

2527
03:27:32,399 --> 03:27:40,560
resolution into the record because it is
a very important uh resolution, very

2528
03:27:37,840 --> 03:27:45,040
important item, and I just think reading
it would put it uh available for those

2529
03:27:42,960 --> 03:27:50,239
ones that may be viewing online or the
many people that view it later on. If

2530
03:27:47,680 --> 03:27:54,479
you're not opposed to that, sir.
>> No.

2531
03:27:52,160 --> 03:27:58,160
Okay. Okay. Uh that's okay with the rest
of the board.

2532
03:27:56,319 --> 03:28:01,600
» They like to hear the you read the
resolution.

2533
03:27:59,040 --> 03:28:07,279
» Yes, sir. Resolution recognizing
September 2026 as recovery month in Nash

2534
03:28:04,560 --> 03:28:11,520
County. Whereas September is recognized
as National Recovery Month, an annual

2535
03:28:09,760 --> 03:28:15,760
observance dedicated to increasing
awareness of mental health and substance

2536
03:28:13,680 --> 03:28:19,680
use disorders, promoting effective
treatment and recovery practices and

2537
03:28:18,080 --> 03:28:24,800
celebrating individuals and families
whose lives have been transformed

2538
03:28:21,359 --> 03:28:29,920
through recovery. And whereas recovery
is possible and every person deserves

2539
03:28:26,960 --> 03:28:35,279
access to compassionate care, meaningful
support, and the opportunity to build a

2540
03:28:31,840 --> 03:28:39,920
healthy and fulfilling life. And whereas
individuals in recovery demonstrate

2541
03:28:37,840 --> 03:28:43,600
courage, strength, and resilience, and
their experiences provide hope and

2542
03:28:41,600 --> 03:28:48,319
encouragement to others who may be
struggling. And whereas mental health

2543
03:28:46,000 --> 03:28:53,760
and substance use disorders affect
individual individuals, families, and

2544
03:28:51,040 --> 03:28:58,800
communities, making recovery a shared
responsibility strengthened through

2545
03:28:55,520 --> 03:29:03,359
compassion, connection, and support. And
whereas reducing stigma and increasing

2546
03:29:00,960 --> 03:29:07,520
awareness encourage individuals to seek
assistance without fear or shame and

2547
03:29:05,680 --> 03:29:13,840
help create a community where recovery
is recognized, respected, and supported.

2548
03:29:10,720 --> 03:29:18,080
And whereas Nash County recognizes the
the families, peer support specialists,

2549
03:29:16,560 --> 03:29:22,560
health care professionals, first
responders, treatment and recovery

2550
03:29:20,080 --> 03:29:26,239
providers, faith communities, nonprofit
organizations, and other community

2551
03:29:24,080 --> 03:29:31,439
partners whose dedication helps make
recovery possible. Now, therefore, be it

2552
03:29:29,120 --> 03:29:37,040
resolved that the Nash County Board of
Commissioners hereby recognizes

2553
03:29:33,520 --> 03:29:41,200
September 26th as recovery month in Nash
County and encourages residents,

2554
03:29:38,640 --> 03:29:44,640
organizations, and community partners to
support individuals and their families

2555
03:29:42,880 --> 03:29:48,960
on their recovery journeys and
participate in activities that promote

2556
03:29:46,560 --> 03:29:52,800
awareness, hope, healing, resilience,
and lasting recovery throughout our

2557
03:29:50,800 --> 03:29:58,479
community. Adopted this third day of
August, 2026.

2558
03:29:55,439 --> 03:30:01,520
» All right. Will this resolution be if
approved I'll put on the website?

2559
03:30:00,720 --> 03:30:02,960
» Thank you sir.
>> That's it.

2560
03:30:02,080 --> 03:30:07,880
» It will be. Yes.
>> Okay. All right. Any other questions?

2561
03:30:08,239 --> 03:30:13,760
» Seeing none. Is there a motion to accept
the uh resolution?

2562
03:30:12,080 --> 03:30:16,960
» We accept.
>> I've been moved by Commissioner

2563
03:30:15,680 --> 03:30:19,120
Balefield.
>> Second.

2564
03:30:17,359 --> 03:30:23,840
» Second by Commissioner Davis. We accept
the resolution. Any further discussion

2565
03:30:21,279 --> 03:30:27,200
on it?
Seeing none, all in favor of the

2566
03:30:25,279 --> 03:30:31,279
resolution, let it be known by saying I.
I.

2567
03:30:28,000 --> 03:30:35,439
» All oppose. Uh motion carried.
>> Thank you very much.

2568
03:30:33,359 --> 03:30:41,680
If I may, before we leave that item, I'd
like to take this opportunity to ask the

2569
03:30:37,520 --> 03:30:49,760
board uh to join with my time left on
this board to continue to encourage uh

2570
03:30:46,160 --> 03:30:54,560
our sheriff's department to join in with
us and find a way more than what we are

2571
03:30:52,720 --> 03:30:59,200
currently doing to help those citizens
that we have incarcerated

2572
03:30:56,960 --> 03:31:05,600
uh that have drug abuse or mental
issues. A lot of them do indeed have one

2573
03:31:02,560 --> 03:31:09,600
or the other or sometimes both. And I
just see a lot of counties doing a lot

2574
03:31:07,359 --> 03:31:14,160
more than what through that board of
commissioners than what we are doing.

2575
03:31:12,160 --> 03:31:19,200
And I don't have an answer. I I will
just ask for support to uh work with our

2576
03:31:17,200 --> 03:31:24,800
sheriff's department and see what kind
of programs we can put together to help

2577
03:31:21,359 --> 03:31:30,880
these individuals uh while we have them
uh fixed and in place. uh because drug

2578
03:31:27,760 --> 03:31:35,680
addiction is a very hard item
uh to overcome.

2579
03:31:33,359 --> 03:31:43,200
But certainly there are so many success
stories that we know it can be done and

2580
03:31:39,680 --> 03:31:46,800
uh I will maybe bring back other items
over the next month or two that we could

2581
03:31:44,960 --> 03:31:51,760
consider doing as I study other
counties. But it is a high priority item

2582
03:31:49,279 --> 03:31:56,880
that I think needs our attention. And of
course with the jail population like it

2583
03:31:53,760 --> 03:32:01,760
is uh a little bit of study and I have
done there is a lot of people going in

2584
03:31:59,760 --> 03:32:06,399
and out out of our jail over and over
and over if we could just help solve

2585
03:32:03,840 --> 03:32:09,680
that and thank you for any consideration
the board would give in working towards

2586
03:32:08,080 --> 03:32:12,880
that. Thank you Mr. Chairman.
>> All right. Thank you.

2587
03:32:12,000 --> 03:32:17,040
» Okay. Uh
>> thank you sir.

2588
03:32:13,760 --> 03:32:22,479
» We will move to item number 20 28.
>> Okay. Um, this is the expansion of

2589
03:32:19,439 --> 03:32:25,439
community nlloxxone access. Nash County
remains committed to protecting the

2590
03:32:24,000 --> 03:32:29,040
health and well-being of our residents
and ensuring that life-saving nlloxxone

2591
03:32:27,520 --> 03:32:33,200
is readily available throughout the
community. Opioid use and overdose can

2592
03:32:31,600 --> 03:32:36,560
affect individuals and families from
every background and timely access to

2593
03:32:35,200 --> 03:32:41,279
nlloxxone can mean the difference
between life and death. Each life saved

2594
03:32:39,279 --> 03:32:46,239
also represents another opportunity for
an individual to connect with treatment,

2595
03:32:43,680 --> 03:32:51,120
support, and recovery. Currently, a
public health kiosk is located at Brazma

2596
03:32:48,880 --> 03:32:55,520
Memorial Library and provides access to
Nlloxxone and other public health

2597
03:32:52,720 --> 03:33:00,239
supplies. Building building upon this
effort, the county is expanding access

2598
03:32:57,439 --> 03:33:05,840
by placing newspaper style distribution
boxes at each Nash County Library

2599
03:33:03,040 --> 03:33:10,399
branch, including Bailey, Middle Sex,
Nashville, Spring Hope, and Whitakers.

2600
03:33:08,399 --> 03:33:13,840
Additional boxes will also be placed at
the Nash County Health Department

2601
03:33:11,680 --> 03:33:18,160
locations, one in Nashville and one in
Rocky Mount. Libraries and public health

2602
03:33:16,319 --> 03:33:22,800
facilities are trusted and accessible
community spaces. Placing a lot zone at

2603
03:33:20,800 --> 03:33:26,800
these locations helps reduce barriers,
supports individuals and families who

2604
03:33:24,640 --> 03:33:30,960
may be impacted by substance use, and
equips community members to respond

2605
03:33:28,640 --> 03:33:35,920
during an overdose emergency. This
initiative not only is not only about

2606
03:33:34,399 --> 03:33:39,680
distributing the lock zone, but also
about meeting people with compassion,

2607
03:33:37,920 --> 03:33:44,000
reducing stigma, and affirming that
every life is worth saving. This

2608
03:33:42,080 --> 03:33:47,920
expansion is another step in Nash
County's in Nash County's broader effort

2609
03:33:46,160 --> 03:33:51,600
to address the opioid crisis through
prevention, harm reduction, treatment,

2610
03:33:50,239 --> 03:33:56,319
recovery support, and community
partnership. And no action is requested

2611
03:33:53,760 --> 03:34:02,160
of the board at this time.
>> All right. Thank you.

2612
03:33:59,200 --> 03:34:05,040
» Okay. Move to item number 29.
>> Thank you, sir.

2613
03:34:02,720 --> 03:34:08,239
» And let y'all any any discussion on
this?

2614
03:34:06,800 --> 03:34:13,439
Okay. All right.
>> Thank you. Uh board appointments. Uh the

2615
03:34:10,960 --> 03:34:18,479
following board appointments um are
presented for your consideration. Please

2616
03:34:15,840 --> 03:34:22,399
consider uh for the planning board the
new appointment of Freeman Reynolds to

2617
03:34:20,399 --> 03:34:26,880
the Nash County Planning Board. Mr.
Reynolds application is included in your

2618
03:34:24,239 --> 03:34:31,200
packet for review. He is eligible,
willing to serve and recommended for

2619
03:34:28,560 --> 03:34:36,399
appointment. If approved, Mr. Reynolds
will replace Kim Moore, whose term

2620
03:34:32,880 --> 03:34:39,760
expired on June 30th, 2026. Mr. Reynolds
resides in Commissioner District number

2621
03:34:38,160 --> 03:34:43,359
one, which is Commissioner Arrington's
district, which currently has no

2622
03:34:41,600 --> 03:34:48,720
representation on the board. His
three-year term will expire on June

2623
03:34:45,040 --> 03:34:52,960
30th, 2029, if approved.
>> All right. You

2624
03:34:51,359 --> 03:34:57,120
recommendation.
>> So move, Mr. Chairman.

2625
03:34:54,800 --> 03:35:00,239
» All right. I'll second that motion.
>> Excuse me. I'll be glad to take the

2626
03:34:58,800 --> 03:35:06,160
second, sir.
>> Okay. Uh, any further discussion on the

2627
03:35:04,160 --> 03:35:10,080
motion?
Seeing none. All in favor of the motion,

2628
03:35:07,760 --> 03:35:14,960
let it be known by saying I. I.
>> All opposed. Motion carried. Thank you.

2629
03:35:12,640 --> 03:35:19,840
» Thank you. Next is the ABC board chair
position. Um the Nash County ABC board

2630
03:35:17,279 --> 03:35:24,720
met on Friday, July 31st and voted to
nominate Miss Jacqueline Lewis to serve

2631
03:35:22,080 --> 03:35:29,040
as chair and they nominated Mr. Bill
William Bill Jones to serve as vice

2632
03:35:26,560 --> 03:35:32,720
chair. Both nominees are willing to
serve, eligible for appointment, and

2633
03:35:30,640 --> 03:35:36,399
recommended by the ABC board. And if
approved by this board of commissioners,

2634
03:35:34,720 --> 03:35:41,040
each will serve a one-year term
concluding on June 30th, 2027.

2635
03:35:39,600 --> 03:35:46,160
» All right, you're at the recommendation.
Is there a motion?

2636
03:35:42,960 --> 03:35:52,479
» Move approval.
>> Commissioner Bfield. All right,

2637
03:35:49,920 --> 03:35:58,640
I'll second a motion. All right. Any
further discussion?

2638
03:35:55,200 --> 03:36:01,760
All in favor of the motion.
>> All in favor of the motion, let it be

2639
03:35:59,840 --> 03:36:04,880
known by saying I. I.
>> All right. All oppose.

2640
03:36:03,600 --> 03:36:09,279
» All right. Motion carried.
>> Thank you. And finally, I have the human

2641
03:36:07,120 --> 03:36:13,200
services board. Please consider the
appointment of Andrew Stocks to the

2642
03:36:10,880 --> 03:36:17,439
human services board as its engineer
representative. The human services board

2643
03:36:15,520 --> 03:36:21,920
recommended his appointment at its June
18th meeting, and his application is

2644
03:36:19,600 --> 03:36:28,080
included in your packet for review. If
approved, Mr. Stocks will serve a 4-year

2645
03:36:24,000 --> 03:36:31,680
term ending June 30th, 2020.
>> All right, you heard the recommendation.

2646
03:36:29,600 --> 03:36:36,640
» Mr. Chairman, move for approval.
>> Second motion by Commissioner Howell, I

2647
03:36:34,880 --> 03:36:41,200
mean Commissioner
uh Outlaw and second by Commissioner

2648
03:36:39,439 --> 03:36:47,520
» Davis Davis.
>> All right. Okay. Uh any further

2649
03:36:44,160 --> 03:36:51,040
discussion on the nomination?
>> Seeing none, all in favor, let it be

2650
03:36:49,120 --> 03:36:54,880
known as saying I. I.
>> All oppose. All right.

2651
03:36:52,880 --> 03:36:58,160
» Thank you. I do want to say, sir, in
addition, there's with the human

2652
03:36:56,239 --> 03:37:02,720
services board, there are several or
three discipline specific positions for

2653
03:37:00,160 --> 03:37:05,680
the uh human services board. Qualified
professionals and community members who

2654
03:37:04,239 --> 03:37:09,840
are interested in serving and supporting
the health and well-being of Nash County

2655
03:37:07,279 --> 03:37:13,840
residents are encouraged to apply. Uh
board members play an important role in

2656
03:37:11,680 --> 03:37:17,840
in advising on policies, programs, and
serve and services that affect

2657
03:37:15,920 --> 03:37:23,600
individuals and uh families throughout
the county. The vacancies include a

2658
03:37:20,160 --> 03:37:26,399
psychiatrist, a psychologist, and also a
veteran representative.

2659
03:37:25,920 --> 03:37:31,319
» All right,
>> that's all I have, sir. Thank you.

2660
03:37:27,920 --> 03:37:31,319
» All right. Thanks.

2661
03:37:32,080 --> 03:37:42,319
Okay, we are now down to
uh calling commissioners w wishing to

2662
03:37:39,760 --> 03:37:48,640
make comments.
I'll start

2663
03:37:45,279 --> 03:37:52,200
to my left down at Miss Commissioner Le
comment.

2664
03:37:49,120 --> 03:37:52,200
» Thank you.

2665
03:37:53,680 --> 03:38:00,800
» Good. No comments.
>> All right. Commissioner Wil.

2666
03:37:57,600 --> 03:38:04,479
» Um, Chairman Arrington and the board, I
just have one thing from the National

2667
03:38:02,640 --> 03:38:08,880
Association of Counties that you all
really have in front of you, but I

2668
03:38:06,560 --> 03:38:15,040
wanted to read the first two paragraphs.
Um, and it's in reference to the SNAP

2669
03:38:11,760 --> 03:38:20,640
cost shift, delaying the shift in SNAP
administrative and benefit costs. As

2670
03:38:18,319 --> 03:38:25,600
part of the major reconciliation bill
HR1, Congress enacted significant

2671
03:38:23,680 --> 03:38:30,560
changes to the financing structure of
the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance

2672
03:38:28,000 --> 03:38:35,200
Program we know as SNAP. Beginning in
fiscal year 2027,

2673
03:38:32,960 --> 03:38:41,359
the federal share of SNAP administrative
costs will be reduced from 50% to 25%,

2674
03:38:39,040 --> 03:38:47,200
increasing the required non-federal
share from 50% to 75%.

2675
03:38:44,880 --> 03:38:52,239
This is a substantial transfer of new
administrative costs to states and local

2676
03:38:49,760 --> 03:38:59,040
governments responsible for delivering
the program in households and helping

2677
03:38:55,279 --> 03:39:04,239
millions of lowincome families across
access nut nutritious food. In addition

2678
03:39:02,239 --> 03:39:10,319
to the increased administrative costs,
states with payment error rates above 6%

2679
03:39:07,120 --> 03:39:16,000
will also be responsible for 5 to 15% of
SNAP benefit costs. While states will

2680
03:39:13,359 --> 03:39:20,800
ultimately determine how these costs are
financed, counties are deeply concerned

2681
03:39:18,720 --> 03:39:25,439
that both the administrative cost shift
and benefit cost sharing requirements

2682
03:39:23,200 --> 03:39:31,359
will place significant new pressure on
local budgets. Together, these charges

2683
03:39:28,720 --> 03:39:35,600
changes represent an unprecedented cost
shift from the federal government to

2684
03:39:33,680 --> 03:39:41,120
state and local governments at a time
when many counties are already facing

2685
03:39:38,239 --> 03:39:47,200
rising costs, workforce challenges, and
an increasing demand for essential

2686
03:39:43,439 --> 03:39:53,359
services. And it goes on to say in the
end that counties are responsible for

2687
03:39:49,840 --> 03:39:59,120
the entire share of non-federal match
requirements for SNAP administration in

2688
03:39:56,319 --> 03:40:04,000
three states and North Carolina is one
of them. And I just want to say I hope

2689
03:40:01,359 --> 03:40:09,439
this board if it comes before us before
the new board is sworn in, the new

2690
03:40:06,399 --> 03:40:16,239
members are sworn in. I hope this board
and its members are as as generous with

2691
03:40:13,279 --> 03:40:23,600
providing for our lowincome families and
those in need and our seniors as they

2692
03:40:19,279 --> 03:40:29,920
are were with the land of 1,950,000
today for uh the college without trying

2693
03:40:27,200 --> 03:40:36,960
to get that number red that amount
reduced. I just hope you are generous

2694
03:40:33,359 --> 03:40:40,960
and look after our citizens. Thank you.
>> All right. Thank you, Commissioner

2695
03:40:38,239 --> 03:40:44,319
Wilkins. Uh, Commissioner Howell.
>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just want to

2696
03:40:42,640 --> 03:40:48,080
take a moment to recognize that this
week, um, beginning August the 3rd

2697
03:40:46,399 --> 03:40:52,560
through August the 9th is National
Farmers Market Week. This is nationally

2698
03:40:50,640 --> 03:40:56,399
observed week meant to celebrate the
farmers, growers, and vendors who bring

2699
03:40:54,239 --> 03:41:01,760
fresh local products directly to our
community and recognize the vital role

2700
03:40:59,200 --> 03:41:06,880
that farmers markets play in supporting
local agricultural and local economics.

2701
03:41:05,040 --> 03:41:10,319
Uh Nash County is fortunate that we're
home to two thriving farmers markets.

2702
03:41:08,640 --> 03:41:15,279
The Nash County Farmers Market in Rocky
Mount and the Nashville Farmers Market.

2703
03:41:13,279 --> 03:41:19,520
So these markets give our residents
direct access to fresh produce, meats,

2704
03:41:17,359 --> 03:41:24,880
baked goods, and handmade products grown
right here in our nearby areas by our

2705
03:41:21,840 --> 03:41:29,760
farmers and small business owners. So
thank you, sir.

2706
03:41:26,319 --> 03:41:34,479
» All right. Okay.
Well, I want to thank uh the

2707
03:41:31,520 --> 03:41:39,200
commissioners uh for allowing me to
attend the National Conference for

2708
03:41:37,120 --> 03:41:45,040
County Commissioners
uh this July

2709
03:41:41,680 --> 03:41:53,520
uh in New Orleans. It was a very
informative uh gathering uh Mr. George

2710
03:41:49,920 --> 03:41:59,920
Dunlap uh from Mechenburgg County. He
was elected as a president for our

2711
03:41:57,760 --> 03:42:04,239
national incoming. He's the national
incoming

2712
03:42:01,520 --> 03:42:09,439
president of the National Association of
County Commissioners.

2713
03:42:06,080 --> 03:42:14,880
And on our state level, uh Alan Thompson
will be the president of the North

2714
03:42:12,000 --> 03:42:21,600
Carolina Association.
I attended a number of conferences as

2715
03:42:17,200 --> 03:42:28,800
you see I left some handouts uh with you
and one of the general sessions that I

2716
03:42:25,439 --> 03:42:36,000
attend uh we had master sergeant Citric
King uh who's a double amputee and an an

2717
03:42:33,279 --> 03:42:42,399
endurance athlete. Uh he gave a
presentation and he's from uh North

2718
03:42:38,319 --> 03:42:49,439
Carolina. It was uh very informative and
as I left on each one of your desks that

2719
03:42:46,160 --> 03:42:57,319
uh I attended the data data center and
grid county development uh seminar

2720
03:42:54,319 --> 03:42:57,319
and

2721
03:42:58,080 --> 03:43:05,439
we also had the North Carolina
Association meeting and reception which

2722
03:43:01,920 --> 03:43:08,560
was attended uh very well. I also
attended

2723
03:43:07,040 --> 03:43:12,479
the
uh

2724
03:43:10,720 --> 03:43:17,120
well we had that general session
achievements and we had a number of

2725
03:43:14,720 --> 03:43:23,439
North Carolina counties that receive uh
achievement awards for the various uh

2726
03:43:20,239 --> 03:43:30,479
projects that they have uh put forward
and I left on some of your desks the a

2727
03:43:27,120 --> 03:43:36,160
jazz fest main street arts and cultural
arts uh seminar that really focus on uh

2728
03:43:34,399 --> 03:43:42,479
tourism in your county and how to
develop uh tourism dollars through arts

2729
03:43:39,680 --> 03:43:48,319
and the performing arts
and let me get and I also

2730
03:43:46,239 --> 03:43:54,160
went to the mastering Roberts rules of
order and trying to run effective

2731
03:43:51,120 --> 03:44:00,560
meetings. Uh we all do the best that we
can with that. The closing session was

2732
03:43:57,040 --> 03:44:08,000
uh a monograph type of closing session
which they had. There are 64 parishes in

2733
03:44:05,120 --> 03:44:14,239
uh Louisiana, which means there are 64
counties, and they all bought their

2734
03:44:09,680 --> 03:44:22,479
various uh food uh special items to the
uh event, and they had a nice band and

2735
03:44:18,000 --> 03:44:26,800
everything went very well. So, uh again,
I want to thank everyone for allowing me

2736
03:44:24,720 --> 03:44:30,880
to attend.
And um

2737
03:44:29,279 --> 03:44:36,080
I hope you can read some of the
information that I brought back. Thanks.

2738
03:44:34,160 --> 03:44:40,880
Yes. Uh
>> will you ask me a question? Go ahead.

2739
03:44:38,479 --> 03:44:49,439
» I was just going to say uh it it appears
like your class and Robert's rule order

2740
03:44:44,000 --> 03:44:52,319
was uh very timely attended, sir. Okay.
>> Commission all.

2741
03:44:50,640 --> 03:44:57,840
» No comments today, sir.
>> All right. question to David.

2742
03:44:54,640 --> 03:45:03,040
» I have none other than if uh you want to
hear the housing report. We got rather

2743
03:45:00,399 --> 03:45:07,680
late uh yesterday. I don't know when
Adam goes home, but uh it was pretty

2744
03:45:05,680 --> 03:45:13,760
much a slow month on the commercial
side. We only had $317,000

2745
03:45:10,960 --> 03:45:18,399
worth of work uh applied for. There were
27 new homes which were scattered pretty

2746
03:45:16,160 --> 03:45:24,800
much throughout the county. Uh the
highest price one was 8 834,000.

2747
03:45:22,560 --> 03:45:29,439
There were 10 modular homes and the
highest price of those is two was

2748
03:45:27,199 --> 03:45:33,840
266,000
uh for a total of 37 new home

2749
03:45:31,600 --> 03:45:39,600
applications or permits during the month
of uh July. They were about 13 builders

2750
03:45:37,600 --> 03:45:43,680
and as I said they were distributed
pretty much throughout the county uh

2751
03:45:41,760 --> 03:45:46,960
which still a large concentration in the
southern part of the county. Thank you

2752
03:45:46,000 --> 03:45:51,920
Mr. Chairman.
>> All right, Commissioner Bfield. Any

2753
03:45:49,279 --> 03:45:54,640
comment? I don't have a report that T
River Transit is scheduled to meet this

2754
03:45:54,000 --> 03:45:58,399
month.
>> Yeah, you don't need you don't need to

2755
03:45:56,080 --> 03:46:02,080
report on your committees. Just uh this
is just for comments. If you got any

2756
03:46:00,160 --> 03:46:06,000
general comments to make.
>> No. Well, I don't have any comments at

2757
03:46:05,040 --> 03:46:12,960
this time.
>> Okay. All right. Thank you very much

2758
03:46:09,040 --> 03:46:20,279
everyone. Um I think now we move to the
manager's report,

2759
03:46:16,239 --> 03:46:20,279
Miss Stacy Stagnner.

2760
03:46:22,319 --> 03:46:25,319
Thank

2761
03:46:25,840 --> 03:46:31,120
you very much.
>> All right,

2762
03:46:29,760 --> 03:46:37,439
» Commissioner Wilkins, thank you for
sharing about SNAP. We are keeping our

2763
03:46:33,359 --> 03:46:43,279
eye on that legislation and um Miss
Deega sits on the Association for DSS

2764
03:46:40,160 --> 03:46:47,279
directors. So, we're keeping up with
that.

2765
03:46:44,239 --> 03:46:51,640
» Thank you. I believe I passed a handout
from the conference on Snap.

2766
03:46:52,960 --> 03:46:56,319
» Well, good afternoon.
>> Afternoon.

2767
03:46:54,960 --> 03:47:02,239
» Good evening.
>> Um, so the first item is about our water

2768
03:47:00,080 --> 03:47:06,960
supply. Nash County is returning to
voluntary conservation stage two, August

2769
03:47:05,120 --> 03:47:11,680
1. Due to the ongoing drought
conditions, residents are encouraged to

2770
03:47:09,279 --> 03:47:16,720
follow voluntary watering schedules to
help reduce peak water demand. Please

2771
03:47:14,160 --> 03:47:22,319
visit the Nash County Public Utilities
web page for details um and conservation

2772
03:47:20,239 --> 03:47:26,720
efforts
for our senior center expansion project.

2773
03:47:24,640 --> 03:47:31,120
You can see we've got windows and
gutters installed on the exterior of the

2774
03:47:29,520 --> 03:47:38,239
expansion
and then framing has uh is going up on

2775
03:47:34,239 --> 03:47:44,560
the interior. And late Friday, I was um
shared some more images where drywall

2776
03:47:41,279 --> 03:47:48,880
and um duct work is being installed on
the interior.

2777
03:47:46,560 --> 03:47:55,520
And for Med Park, it continues to take
shape. Uh the service areas um are

2778
03:47:52,160 --> 03:47:59,160
coming together and flooring and molding
are being installed.

2779
03:48:00,880 --> 03:48:08,239
We will have a ribbon cutting on the
outdoor classroom I shared with you last

2780
03:48:05,760 --> 03:48:15,439
month. Um it will be Monday, September
the 21st for at 10:00 a.m. at the A

2781
03:48:12,000 --> 03:48:19,760
Center in Nashville.
Sharpsburg will host the next managers,

2782
03:48:18,000 --> 03:48:23,359
administrators, mayors, and clerks
meeting. The invitations have been sent

2783
03:48:21,760 --> 03:48:27,520
and we're looking forward to another
great networking event with our county

2784
03:48:25,120 --> 03:48:32,960
leaders.
The health department has issued

2785
03:48:30,560 --> 03:48:37,199
um a public health notice about rabies,
a raccoon tested positive in Nash

2786
03:48:35,199 --> 03:48:42,160
County. If you've had any physical
contact with an animal acting

2787
03:48:39,680 --> 03:48:48,520
aggressively or sickly, please call the
Nash County Health Department at 252

2788
03:48:45,520 --> 03:48:48,520
382904.

2789
03:48:48,960 --> 03:48:58,960
To report sightings of animals behaving
unusually aggressive or sickly, call the

2790
03:48:53,760 --> 03:49:03,600
Nash County Animal Services at 4599855.
And pet owners are encouraged to make

2791
03:49:01,760 --> 03:49:09,120
sure that your pets are up to date on
their rabies vaccinations.

2792
03:49:06,239 --> 03:49:14,560
To reduce your risk, you should not feed
or try to handle wild animals.

2793
03:49:12,160 --> 03:49:20,160
Secure trash cans and remove food
sources that attract wild animals. Keep

2794
03:49:17,680 --> 03:49:26,000
pets on leashes and supervised while
outside. And avoid and report sick or

2795
03:49:24,000 --> 03:49:29,760
dead animals.
Our

2796
03:49:27,520 --> 03:49:35,279
Nash County Animal Services is pleased
to announce beginning August the 3,

2797
03:49:32,560 --> 03:49:40,560
today we will have extended hours for
adoption. The new hours will be Monday

2798
03:49:37,520 --> 03:49:46,640
through Friday, 1:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m.
and the 2nd and 4th Saturdays from 11:00

2799
03:49:43,760 --> 03:49:51,680
a.m. to 3:00 p.m. Our first Saturday
opening will be August the 8th. Please

2800
03:49:49,439 --> 03:49:57,760
stop in and see if we have the perfect
companion for you and your family.

2801
03:49:55,520 --> 03:50:01,600
Nash County has received a grant from
the North Carolina Department of

2802
03:49:59,120 --> 03:50:06,640
Agriculture and Conu Consumer Services
to develop a farmland protection plan.

2803
03:50:04,720 --> 03:50:10,960
We're asking the public to complete two
short surveys. Your feedback will help

2804
03:50:08,960 --> 03:50:17,439
guide the future of agriculture and
farmland preservation in Nash County.

2805
03:50:15,680 --> 03:50:23,439
The Nash County Health Department is
hosting two after hours vaccine clinics.

2806
03:50:20,880 --> 03:50:29,040
The first is Tuesday, August the 4th at
the Nashville location from 5 to 7:00

2807
03:50:25,920 --> 03:50:35,040
p.m. And the second is Thursday, August
13th at the Rocky Mount location from 5

2808
03:50:31,680 --> 03:50:41,199
to 7 p.m. These are by appointment only.
So call today and make sure that you and

2809
03:50:37,439 --> 03:50:45,680
your children's vaccines are up to date.
Our health department is surveying Nash

2810
03:50:43,199 --> 03:50:50,319
County residents to learn what classes,
workshops, and community events will

2811
03:50:48,000 --> 03:50:57,359
best meet the needs of our residents.
Please use the QR code to link to the

2812
03:50:53,359 --> 03:51:01,600
survey and tell us your thoughts.
Nash County Cooperative Extension

2813
03:50:59,279 --> 03:51:06,399
Services is offering grant writing
lessons to gain step-by-step guidance

2814
03:51:04,000 --> 03:51:11,359
for writing grants, how to work
effectively with foundations and

2815
03:51:08,319 --> 03:51:17,760
partners, digital resources to help with
future grants, and so much more.

2816
03:51:14,080 --> 03:51:22,720
Sessions will be August 19th, 26th, and
September the 2nd from 9:00 a.m. to

2817
03:51:20,000 --> 03:51:28,319
12:00 noon. Registration is required and
there's a $30 program fee for materials

2818
03:51:25,680 --> 03:51:32,720
and refreshments. Use the link on this
slide to register. And for more

2819
03:51:30,479 --> 03:51:36,040
information, you can contact Tracy Dixon
at 4599810.

2820
03:51:36,880 --> 03:51:44,960
Our Nash County Department of Social
Services and Veteran Veterans Services

2821
03:51:42,000 --> 03:51:50,319
are partnering to offer a community fair
Saturday, September the 19th from 10:00

2822
03:51:47,600 --> 03:51:54,800
a.m. to 2:00 p.m. in the parking lot of
the administration building.

2823
03:51:52,160 --> 03:52:00,080
Participants can expect community
resources connecting families with local

2824
03:51:57,120 --> 03:52:05,279
agencies and service providers, youth
and family support programs, and

2825
03:52:02,560 --> 03:52:11,120
services to help families succeed.
Giveaways and and prizes will be

2826
03:52:08,560 --> 03:52:15,040
available for activities and games and
food trucks will be on site for the

2827
03:52:12,960 --> 03:52:20,720
event.
Our Nash County Veteran Services now has

2828
03:52:17,680 --> 03:52:25,760
a stocked cabinet with personal care
essentials. If you are a veteran in need

2829
03:52:23,359 --> 03:52:32,399
of hygiene and personal items, please
stop in and let us assist you. Our parks

2830
03:52:30,160 --> 03:52:37,359
and recreation staff are getting ready
for their annual golf tournament

2831
03:52:34,160 --> 03:52:41,680
fundraiser. Sign up today to enjoy a day
of golf while supporting the Nash County

2832
03:52:39,279 --> 03:52:47,920
Parks and Recreation Services. You can
register online or call the office.

2833
03:52:45,520 --> 03:52:54,319
Parks and Recreation is also planning
the next Mother and Son dance. This

2834
03:52:50,640 --> 03:52:59,279
year's theme is you're my superhero. The
dance will be Saturday, September the

2835
03:52:56,399 --> 03:53:06,640
26th from 6:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m.
Registration started August the 1st and

2836
03:53:02,399 --> 03:53:10,399
it goes through September the 13th.
And it's not too early to start thinking

2837
03:53:08,479 --> 03:53:15,680
about the holidays. Cooperative
Extension Services is advertising their

2838
03:53:12,960 --> 03:53:20,840
annual holiday bus trip to New York
City. If interested, please call

2839
03:53:17,840 --> 03:53:20,840
459-9810.

2840
03:53:22,479 --> 03:53:29,920
This is a reminder that several
commissioners along with staff will be

2841
03:53:26,239 --> 03:53:34,239
attending the 119th NCACC
annual conference in Durham at the

2842
03:53:31,840 --> 03:53:38,199
Durham Convention Center from August
20th through the 22nd.

2843
03:53:40,399 --> 03:53:49,120
And offices are closed Monday, September
the 7th to observe Labor Day holiday.

2844
03:53:46,800 --> 03:53:52,800
And our board meeting, the Nash County
Board of Commissioners September board

2845
03:53:50,800 --> 03:53:58,319
meeting is scheduled for Tuesday,
September the 8th at 9:00 a.m.

2846
03:53:56,160 --> 03:54:01,319
And that is all I have. If there's any
questions,

2847
03:54:01,359 --> 03:54:10,279
any questions for the manager?
>> No. I will turn it over to Mr. Boon for

2848
03:54:06,960 --> 03:54:10,279
his report.

2849
03:54:10,479 --> 03:54:15,359
» Thank you, ma'am.
Clearly, I need to step my game up a

2850
03:54:14,160 --> 03:54:18,160
little bit because I I haven't been
providing you with a PowerPoint, but I

2851
03:54:16,880 --> 03:54:22,000
did give you a piece of paper. I didn't
want you to leave empty-handed. So,

2852
03:54:19,359 --> 03:54:26,399
you've got your 11 by17 with a very
small print on it. Um, giving you an

2853
03:54:24,560 --> 03:54:29,279
update on our capital projects. We've
already discussed a few of those today.

2854
03:54:27,680 --> 03:54:33,920
So, I was just going to hit on four of
those on the list. Uh, one is a

2855
03:54:31,359 --> 03:54:37,840
fellowship church. Uh, Commissioner How
referenced that project earlier today as

2856
03:54:36,399 --> 03:54:42,239
parks and recreation department. Just
want to update you. Our intent was to

2857
03:54:39,840 --> 03:54:46,319
have that project ready to bid uh late
last month. Uh but we ran into a couple

2858
03:54:44,640 --> 03:54:50,080
of issues when we sat down to review the
final set of plans. Uh we got a couple

2859
03:54:48,479 --> 03:54:54,160
issues to revise. Charter Construction
is working on those. Uh and we

2860
03:54:52,160 --> 03:54:58,160
anticipate adding that uh advertising
that project this month. Uh we'll say we

2861
03:54:56,479 --> 03:55:03,279
may have to delay work on the modular
unit which was uh something we were hope

2862
03:55:00,160 --> 03:55:07,120
hoping to repurpose for use by DSS for
emergency placements. Uh we've run into

2863
03:55:05,279 --> 03:55:10,160
a permitting issue there. So I think
we're going to set that aside for the

2864
03:55:08,560 --> 03:55:14,399
time being so it does not delay the
overall project. We are we are moving

2865
03:55:12,080 --> 03:55:18,800
forward. Uh second project I was going
to touch uh based on is the courthouse

2866
03:55:16,560 --> 03:55:22,640
building repairs. Uh as far as original
scope of work, I would say that project

2867
03:55:20,560 --> 03:55:27,120
is approximately 98% complete. Really
all that's left to do from the original

2868
03:55:24,000 --> 03:55:33,199
scope is the indoor uh trim the interior
trim. Uh so that work continues. Uh

2869
03:55:30,399 --> 03:55:36,880
project has gone really well. Uh you may
recall we did or the board rather

2870
03:55:35,120 --> 03:55:41,439
approved a change order to install an
interior elevator to serve the clerk

2871
03:55:38,960 --> 03:55:46,880
court's office. Uh we've run into a snag
with uh that particular u element of the

2872
03:55:44,800 --> 03:55:52,399
project and continuing to work with
Calvin Davenport uh try to resolve that

2873
03:55:49,680 --> 03:55:56,800
and identify a path forward. Uh and
we're also waiting on a change order. Uh

2874
03:55:55,439 --> 03:56:01,520
we've already had a few change orders
today. So, we've got a few more uh in

2875
03:55:59,199 --> 03:56:05,760
our future uh to address some additional
roof repair work that was identified

2876
03:56:03,439 --> 03:56:11,359
while working on the exterior repairs.
Uh this is primarily on related to the

2877
03:56:08,080 --> 03:56:16,479
superior superior courtroom and also uh
some PA repairs in front of the superior

2878
03:56:13,760 --> 03:56:22,319
courtroom. Uh next project is the
emergency services uh warehouse. Uh we

2879
03:56:20,319 --> 03:56:28,160
had a meeting with Stocks Engineering
who's assisting the county on that

2880
03:56:23,680 --> 03:56:33,199
project uh back on the um 23rd uh of the
month and uh the lot was cleared uh this

2881
03:56:31,199 --> 03:56:39,439
past week uh in anticipation of the
survey work uh in order to move forward

2882
03:56:36,560 --> 03:56:44,560
uh with that uh site design work uh for
the emergency services warehouse. And

2883
03:56:41,840 --> 03:56:50,319
then finally uh the Northern Ash water
system project phase two contract one.

2884
03:56:47,040 --> 03:56:53,600
Um that project is underway. Um busco
contractors has mobilized. I think they

2885
03:56:52,160 --> 03:56:57,439
were working on some bores last week,
but work is underway and again just

2886
03:56:55,760 --> 03:57:01,760
remind you that uh anticipated
substantial completion is February 2nd

2887
03:56:59,279 --> 03:57:05,600
of 2027.
Uh moving beyond capital projects, two

2888
03:57:03,760 --> 03:57:08,319
things I just want to update you on. Uh
again, Commissioner Howell had mentioned

2889
03:57:06,880 --> 03:57:14,560
the work on our wastewater planning
grant. Uh we did meet uh back on the

2890
03:57:11,279 --> 03:57:17,760
27th. Uh that was Monday the 27th. Uh we
discussed next steps on the project

2891
03:57:16,319 --> 03:57:21,279
required followup with the North
Carolina Department of Environmental

2892
03:57:18,720 --> 03:57:25,120
Quality. Uh new technology which
Commissioner How alluded to and we had a

2893
03:57:22,960 --> 03:57:31,840
conference call on Friday uh with that
particular company uh that may have some

2894
03:57:28,239 --> 03:57:38,239
um um utility to us as we look uh at
either a regional solution or possibly a

2895
03:57:35,040 --> 03:57:42,720
interim solution for um one or more of
the members of the proposed authority.

2896
03:57:40,800 --> 03:57:45,920
Uh and we also discussed the need for a
grant extension. Again, we've run to

2897
03:57:44,399 --> 03:57:48,880
some issues with the North County
Department of Environmental Quality

2898
03:57:47,279 --> 03:57:52,479
getting some answers on some of the
alternatives that we've considered. Uh

2899
03:57:50,880 --> 03:57:57,359
and I believe Commissioner Howell had
mentioned he had already uh contact our

2900
03:57:54,800 --> 03:58:00,880
local delegation about intervening on
our behalf for an extension. I don't

2901
03:57:59,279 --> 03:58:06,399
know if he's received a final answer on
that, but we discussed uh certainly to

2902
03:58:03,920 --> 03:58:11,359
uh request an extension beyond the end
of this calendar year. Uh and then

2903
03:58:09,199 --> 03:58:16,000
finally, the fire services working group
uh met uh last week on Thursday and uh

2904
03:58:14,560 --> 03:58:19,840
just kind of preliminary meeting. We did
spend some time talking about the

2905
03:58:17,279 --> 03:58:24,319
$50,000 allocation that was approved in
uh the FY27 budget for the volunteer

2906
03:58:22,319 --> 03:58:27,920
fire departments. Uh and we will be
picking that up again. Our next meeting

2907
03:58:25,920 --> 03:58:32,600
scheduled on the 25th of this month at
10 a.m. That's all I have.

2908
03:58:33,840 --> 03:58:37,800
» All right. Thank you.

2909
03:58:40,479 --> 03:58:49,439
All right. Now, I will, if there's no
other business, I will entertain a

2910
03:58:45,040 --> 03:58:55,359
motion to go in close session
uh to discuss economic development

2911
03:58:51,439 --> 03:58:59,279
attorney client privilege personnel.
Uh attorney, do you think we'll be

2912
03:58:57,760 --> 03:59:03,359
taking any action? I
>> I do not believe so.

2913
03:59:01,279 --> 03:59:08,080
» Okay.
All right. Um,

2914
03:59:06,080 --> 03:59:12,239
need a motion to go into close session.
>> So move.

2915
03:59:09,279 --> 03:59:14,640
» Second move by Commissioner Wilkins.
>> Second.

2916
03:59:12,720 --> 03:59:20,399
» Second by Commissioner Bfield. We go
into close session at this time. Uh, any

2917
03:59:17,760 --> 03:59:22,800
further discussion on the motion. All in
favor? Let it be known by saying I.

2918
03:59:22,160 --> 03:59:28,479
» I.
>> All opposed. Okay. We'll now go into

2919
03:59:25,600 --> 03:59:33,040
close session. Motion carries.
We're back in the open session. uh

2920
03:59:31,520 --> 03:59:37,920
Commissioner
Belfield had to leave

2921
03:59:35,680 --> 03:59:43,600
uh but there is no action to be taken
after our closed session meeting. So at

2922
03:59:40,399 --> 03:59:49,439
this time I entertain a motion to close
our regular session meeting.

2923
03:59:46,479 --> 03:59:57,680
» So moved by Commissioner Outlaw and
second by Commissioner Davis that we uh

2924
03:59:53,920 --> 04:00:00,880
adjourn our regular meeting for this
month. All in favor of the motion let it

2925
03:59:59,520 --> 04:00:05,199
be known by saying I.
>> I.

2926
04:00:01,600 --> 04:00:08,680
» All opposed. Motion carrot.
Meeting the journal.