1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,920 Good evening. I'm going to call to order 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,559 this being May 28th a meeting of the 3 00:00:08,559 --> 00:00:11,040 committee of infrastructure being held 4 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:15,200 this Wednesday again May 28th 2025 at 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,840 700 p.m. in the automatic chamber and 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,359 duly noted in two places including city 7 00:00:21,359 --> 00:00:23,560 hall's websites in accordance with 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:28,240 requirements of RSA 91- semicolon 2 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,480 Roman numeral 2. Can the clerk please 10 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:34,680 take the role? 11 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,760 Absolutely. Alderman Tibido here. 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,399 Alderman Sullivan here. Alderman Cle is 13 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:43,360 here. Alderman Dow 14 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,200 and Alderman at large O'Brien present. I 15 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,680 declare a quarum. You have four members. 16 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,079 Yes. 17 00:00:51,079 --> 00:00:55,360 Okay. Also in attendance is Mr. Tim 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,120 Cummings, administrative service 19 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,640 director. 20 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,800 uh Chief Stephen Buckton of the 21 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,119 Nashville Fire Rescue and Don Enright. I 22 00:01:05,119 --> 00:01:07,680 don't know if she's on 23 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,360 I do not see but uh so we'll keep an eye 24 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,880 out if she decides to join us. Okay, 25 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,200 I'll open it up to public comment. 26 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,080 Anybody have 27 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,840 any information from the public? Seeing 28 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,840 none, we'll move on to discussion of 29 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,640 presentations on fire station facilities 30 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,000 update and I'll recognize Chief Buckton 31 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,240 and administrative service director, Mr. 32 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,240 Tim Cummings. Yes. Thank Thank you, Mr. 33 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,320 Chairman. Uh, may we approach? You may 34 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:40,720 approach. Have a seat. 35 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,600 They're much more comfortable 36 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:48,069 than the benches. 37 00:01:48,079 --> 00:01:49,600 Commissioner, you want to join them? You 38 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,439 may. Okay. 39 00:01:51,439 --> 00:01:54,640 right here and open it in my 40 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,640 So, uh, as as folks are getting settled 41 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,079 here for the record, Tim Cummings, 42 00:01:58,079 --> 00:02:00,479 director of administrative services, uh, 43 00:02:00,479 --> 00:02:02,000 uh, I'm going to hand it off to Chief 44 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,159 Buckton in one second, who's going to 45 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:05,840 who's going to go into a little bit more 46 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,920 detail than I am. But to just set the 47 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,039 table here, um, if you recall, uh, a 48 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:13,520 little while back, we set money aside to 49 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,200 do a master facility planning study, a 50 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,280 deferred capital maintenance study, if 51 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,319 you will. Um, and this evening, I 52 00:02:22,319 --> 00:02:23,920 believe you're going to hear uh some of 53 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:26,000 the findings and the work that was done 54 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,680 over uh the last few months or so. Um, 55 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,080 the the real genesis behind this 56 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,680 conversation is because what I'm hoping 57 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,000 to do as a follow on to this 58 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,319 conversation is to start to have a 59 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:40,319 conversation with you all about 60 00:02:40,319 --> 00:02:43,680 developing a plan for for funding the 61 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,959 various uh maintenance needs. Um, I have 62 00:02:46,959 --> 00:02:49,280 some ideas uh kind of sketched out in 63 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:50,959 the back of my mind as to how to 64 00:02:50,959 --> 00:02:53,239 possibly accommodate it. Uh, but 65 00:02:53,239 --> 00:02:55,200 obviously, you know, I don't want to get 66 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,519 too far ahead of myself and I I welcome 67 00:02:57,519 --> 00:02:59,920 everyone's input here. So, having that 68 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:02,480 conversation as uh in followup to this, 69 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,720 I think will behoove everyone as we do 70 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,040 want to be good stewards of the of the 71 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,519 city's assets. So, uh, with that being 72 00:03:09,519 --> 00:03:11,120 said, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to hand it 73 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,560 off to uh uh Chief Buckton and uh and 74 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,800 start the conversation in earnest. Okay, 75 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,959 Chief Buckton, please. Thank you. Steve 76 00:03:18,959 --> 00:03:21,680 Buckton, National Fire Chief. Um so, as 77 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,040 you may remember, we went through the 78 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,680 process uh to seek out a vendor to 79 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,319 perform a facility study for us. Uh we 80 00:03:28,319 --> 00:03:30,560 found some people uh far on the other 81 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,360 side of the country um over in Seattle 82 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,760 that actually did the work for us. Um 83 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,599 Assistant Chief Pulot headed up the 84 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:40,440 project. Um the city invested about 85 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,000 $350,000 for this study. It's very 86 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,840 comprehensive comprehensive uh and it 87 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,959 gives us a good pathway forward uh to be 88 00:03:48,959 --> 00:03:50,560 able to follow for many years for the 89 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,760 work we need to do to our facilities. Um 90 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,480 some of it is uh not a surprise to many 91 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,799 of us, but some of the dollar amounts do 92 00:03:58,799 --> 00:04:00,879 add up to quite a bit. So uh I'll turn 93 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:02,879 it over to Assistant Chief Pulot. uh 94 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:05,040 he's worked with these uh two ladies 95 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,760 here and their team uh quite extensively 96 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,439 over the past year to get this study 97 00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:11,680 done. So I'll let them take it away. 98 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,120 Okay. Before you start uh chief uh and 99 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,120 to our guests when if you are asked to 100 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,840 speak can you just identify yourself 101 00:04:21,840 --> 00:04:23,840 because your new people and the 102 00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:26,960 transcription people may not know. So 103 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,520 every time that you go to speak, state 104 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,720 your name and then it will be duly 105 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,800 recorded. Chief Fullard, good evening. 106 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,520 Thank you. So thank you. U as the chief 107 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,280 said comprehensive study of our 108 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:41,639 facilities that includes all six of our 109 00:04:41,639 --> 00:04:43,840 firehouses, our fire alarm dispatch 110 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:45,520 center and our training grounds out of 111 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,120 the landfill. So it covers eight 112 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,560 facilities. uh focuses on the building 113 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,199 itself uh plumbing, electrical, HVAC 114 00:04:53,199 --> 00:04:55,759 needs and a lot of focus on health and 115 00:04:55,759 --> 00:04:57,759 safety of our firefighters. Those are 116 00:04:57,759 --> 00:05:00,720 items like um proper separation between 117 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,440 apparatus space, living area, uh indoor 118 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,280 air quality testing, things like that. 119 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:08,160 So, the study really covered um pretty 120 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,479 much every avenue of of living in a fire 121 00:05:12,479 --> 00:05:15,600 station. And uh to present tonight we 122 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,720 have Sarah Partap from uh Mang Analysis 123 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,680 and Sarah Gladex from Rice Fergus 124 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,000 Miller. 125 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,880 Hi. Thank you. Um I'm Sarah Partap uh 126 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,720 from Megan Analysis. Um I want to start 127 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,639 by just saying hello to everybody and 128 00:05:32,639 --> 00:05:34,960 thank you to Chief Buckton and Chief 129 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,759 Pulot for the ask if you could bring the 130 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:39,199 microphone a little bit closer to you. 131 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:41,840 Yeah. Yeah. Is that better? Yeah. Okay. 132 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:43,120 So, thank you to you guys for the 133 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:44,720 support through this project. It was a 134 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,120 large undertaking that required a lot of 135 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,560 uh background information and support 136 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,080 while we were on site. As I mentioned, 137 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:51,680 it was a very extensive study. We had 138 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,440 team members on site in every building. 139 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,240 So, uh they were heavily involved in the 140 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,000 FCA and the planning process. So, we 141 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,240 appreciate your time. Um I was the 142 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,000 project manager of kind of the overall 143 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,600 project itself and then also of the 144 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,680 facility condition assessment portion. 145 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,840 Um and I have Sarah Gladex with me. I'll 146 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:09,800 let her introduce herself. 147 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,960 Hi, good evening. Sarah Gladex. I'm a 148 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,560 principal and fire station planner with 149 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,120 Rice Fergus Miller 150 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,680 Architects. And uh my job was to help 151 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,080 manage and plan phase two of this 152 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,960 project, which included understanding um 153 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,880 the way that you use all of your fire 154 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,800 facilities and how we can implement 155 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,479 change to make them better and more 156 00:06:30,479 --> 00:06:33,520 modernized. Um and to uh as Chief Pulat 157 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,440 mentioned uh ensure health and and 158 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,280 safety and wellness of of firefighters 159 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:40,950 now and into the future. 160 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,600 All right, Sarah Partap again. We might 161 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,360 go back and forth. Do we We're going to 162 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:46,880 go back and forth on some slides. So So 163 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:48,560 we just keep that That would be fine. 164 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,960 Okay. Um so this is just kind of an 165 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,240 overview of what we were hoping to go 166 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,560 through tonight in our agenda. Uh we 167 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,080 will be brief in some of these. So feel 168 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:57,919 free to ask us questions at the end and 169 00:06:57,919 --> 00:07:00,240 we can dive deeper into whatever topics 170 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:01,840 you have questions about. So first, 171 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:04,400 would you mind questions on topic as 172 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,080 you're going through or do you want to 173 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,039 wait to the end? 174 00:07:08,039 --> 00:07:10,880 Either would be fine. Whatever you're 175 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,400 comfortable with, we could go either 176 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,160 way. I think it's okay. If it if it 177 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:15,599 starts to get to be like one and 178 00:07:15,599 --> 00:07:17,039 another, then maybe we pause it till the 179 00:07:17,039 --> 00:07:19,039 end. I think we got a good group. I 180 00:07:19,039 --> 00:07:22,639 think they'll, you know, stay on focus. 181 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:24,400 This is the best committee in the city. 182 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:25,919 Yeah. Oh, good. Well, we're glad we're 183 00:07:25,919 --> 00:07:28,960 on this one. 184 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,240 Um, all right. So, we're going to start 185 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,080 with just sort of the purpose of this 186 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:33,919 project and the methodology. We will 187 00:07:33,919 --> 00:07:35,680 give you like highlevel findings sort of 188 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,759 trends across the whole portfolio of 189 00:07:37,759 --> 00:07:39,440 buildings. Then we'll get into some 190 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,840 specifics about each facility and then 191 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,919 summarizing the different types of costs 192 00:07:43,919 --> 00:07:45,880 and what those costs are toward the 193 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,880 end. So the the context for this project 194 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,520 is the city and uh Nashville Fire Rescue 195 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,759 has undergone additional preparatory 196 00:07:53,759 --> 00:07:55,840 work before doing this study. So in 2021 197 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,000 there was a master plan which reviewed 198 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,680 you know the fire service overall 199 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,599 station locations and kind of laid out a 200 00:08:01,599 --> 00:08:03,919 big plan for the future. Um, from that 201 00:08:03,919 --> 00:08:05,680 you guys went into the strategic plan 202 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,599 which had specific items to follow up or 203 00:08:07,599 --> 00:08:09,039 how you're going to achieve this vision 204 00:08:09,039 --> 00:08:12,160 and one of those was a facility study so 205 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:13,840 you can document all of your backlog of 206 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,759 maintenance and move forward with 207 00:08:15,759 --> 00:08:17,759 decision-m for which to repair, which to 208 00:08:17,759 --> 00:08:20,400 replace etc. So that's where we came in 209 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,080 for the facility condition assessment 210 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:23,599 and then the long range plan was the 211 00:08:23,599 --> 00:08:25,039 phase two of our project which is taking 212 00:08:25,039 --> 00:08:27,280 the condition data and wrapping it into 213 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,039 little digestible packages of what are 214 00:08:29,039 --> 00:08:30,800 your options for upgrading and repairing 215 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,389 each station. 216 00:08:34,399 --> 00:08:36,159 Uh so just a quick overview about the 217 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:38,240 facility condition assessment process. 218 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:39,919 Uh we had a team of specialists that 219 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:42,159 were from uh architectural, mechanical 220 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:43,680 engineer, electrical engineer, 221 00:08:43,680 --> 00:08:45,600 structural engineer uh and a civil 222 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,080 engineer. And additionally we had a firm 223 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:49,920 who specializes in hazardous materials 224 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,480 testing on board to do uh hazardous 225 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,160 materials and air quality testing at 226 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,959 select stations. Um the site assessments 227 00:08:56,959 --> 00:08:59,360 occurred in the summer of 2024. Uh we 228 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,480 were on site for about uh a week. We did 229 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,120 one we did a a one pilot uh in in June 230 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,399 and then we were back on site in August 231 00:09:06,399 --> 00:09:08,240 to get through the rest of the stations. 232 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,320 Um some of the terminology that I'll use 233 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,560 tonight, observe deficiencies. That's 234 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:14,720 one that I'll use a lot. Uh that's 235 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,720 talking about issues that are either 236 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,800 noted by our surveyors while they're on 237 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,880 site or they're disclosed to them. Say 238 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,480 if it's a roof a roof leak, but we were 239 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:23,760 there in the summer, you guys could tell 240 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,200 us there's a roof leak, we would we 241 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:26,720 would note that. and they're things that 242 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,480 are need to be repaired within five 243 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,560 years and that have a direct cost of at 244 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:31,320 least 245 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,920 $5,000. Uh our longer term costs from 246 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,279 the facility condition assessment are 247 00:09:35,279 --> 00:09:37,040 called predicted renewals and that's 248 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,720 more of like a statistical model of what 249 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,560 we would expect you to need to pay based 250 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:42,480 on your building types and the ages of 251 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,320 the systems. What you would need to pay 252 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,959 over 20 years across your whole building 253 00:09:46,959 --> 00:09:48,800 portfolio rolled up. So this year you 254 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,959 need a million two. This year you might 255 00:09:50,959 --> 00:09:52,800 need five million. So we we forecast 256 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:57,670 that out 20 years into the future. 257 00:09:57,680 --> 00:09:59,920 Sarah Gladex from Ricebergus Miller. Uh 258 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:02,720 the process that we use for phase two um 259 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,720 starts with a needs assessment which is 260 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,279 asking you um a thousand questions 261 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:09,200 understanding what the department needs 262 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,120 right now and what you envision you 263 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,279 might need into the future. Um and what 264 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:15,040 your overarching goals are for 265 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,360 department um that also go handinhand 266 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,240 with the goals of the city. Um we 267 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,240 conduct a handful of programming 268 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,640 workshops which we ask even more 269 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,279 questions and get into um kind of the 270 00:10:27,279 --> 00:10:30,880 the high level and into the detail um of 271 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,279 each facility that we're looking into. 272 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:36,560 Um and from that we are able to uh 273 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:38,480 prepare some diagrams that will help 274 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,440 with a conceptual understanding of what 275 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,760 your current facility is lacking and how 276 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,760 we can make it better um from a very 277 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,079 high level. Um and then a square footage 278 00:10:48,079 --> 00:10:50,480 analysis which helps us understand how 279 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,560 much square footage do you have overall? 280 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:54,320 What does each room have? And then it 281 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,560 starts to show us what are the gaps um 282 00:10:56,560 --> 00:10:58,399 in spaces that you don't have that you 283 00:10:58,399 --> 00:11:00,959 may need um in order to house your 284 00:11:00,959 --> 00:11:02,640 equipment. Um make sure you have enough 285 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,360 sleeping rooms for your firefighters. Um 286 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,360 and then uh planning narratives which 287 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,760 are more written um narratives that are 288 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,920 useful for a professional cost estimator 289 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,079 to take um and start putting some 290 00:11:14,079 --> 00:11:16,640 conceptual dollars um to each of these 291 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,360 projects. Um uh and then that will 292 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,760 inform um what what we think these 293 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,519 conceptual cost estimates will look 294 00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:26,000 like. Um and not just hard costs but 295 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,560 soft costs or project costs in other 296 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:30,880 words. Um which are things like um all 297 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,120 FFN items. So furniture, fixtures and 298 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,200 equipment. Um this will include 299 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,600 architecture and engineering fees, um 300 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,200 permitting fees, um utilities estimates, 301 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:42,560 things like that, so that you get a real 302 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:45,480 round um idea of what the project 303 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,000 entails. Um and then we pull all that 304 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,160 information together into a draft report 305 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,320 which um is complete and awaiting 306 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,720 comment which will then get finalized um 307 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,480 and be ready for consumption. 308 00:11:58,480 --> 00:11:59,560 Uh 309 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:02,880 this this slide here uh is just a a 310 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,720 again a high level understanding of what 311 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,399 we're talking about when we are 312 00:12:06,399 --> 00:12:07,959 discussing needs assessment and 313 00:12:07,959 --> 00:12:10,880 diagramming. Um we go through uh what we 314 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,200 call typical room diagrams and these are 315 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,200 all typical spaces of a fire station of 316 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,079 a modern fire station. Um and we'll go 317 00:12:18,079 --> 00:12:20,079 through and ask you questions about what 318 00:12:20,079 --> 00:12:21,600 you have now, what you think you might 319 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,440 need in the future. Um what is the 320 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:24,880 clearance required for that piece of 321 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,279 equipment? um you know, does this meet 322 00:12:27,279 --> 00:12:29,440 your needs? And then we just go room by 323 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,279 room and and talk about every single 324 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:33,360 thing you could possibly imagine on the 325 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,320 wall on the floor. Um and so these uh 326 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,000 these images are sort of the the 327 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,600 starting point for how we start to 328 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,079 diagram because these will translate 329 00:12:42,079 --> 00:12:45,360 directly into a box or a block which 330 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,910 then is used for conceptual diagramming. 331 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:51,279 All right, Sarah Partap from Mang 332 00:12:51,279 --> 00:12:53,519 Analysis. Um that was sort of our 333 00:12:53,519 --> 00:12:55,279 overview portion of like what we were 334 00:12:55,279 --> 00:12:56,639 doing and how we did it. So now we're 335 00:12:56,639 --> 00:12:59,120 going to get into uh common things that 336 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,360 we saw across all the facilities. Uh and 337 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:02,959 then we'll go station by station and 338 00:13:02,959 --> 00:13:04,880 kind of give the high level uh portions 339 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,279 of that. So uh for the facility 340 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:08,920 condition assessment 341 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,760 um the one of the primary things we saw 342 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,680 was uh issues with pavement. You know 343 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:15,279 there's the freeze thaw cycle here. 344 00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:16,480 There's heavy weight equipment going 345 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,120 over them. So the pavement gets torn up, 346 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:20,959 beaten up much more than other typical 347 00:13:20,959 --> 00:13:23,040 areas. and you know those can worsen 348 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,040 over time. So that was consistent. 349 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:26,800 There's alligatoring, there's potholes, 350 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,959 things like that occurring uh at pretty 351 00:13:28,959 --> 00:13:31,000 much all the stations to various 352 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,000 degree. Um another common one that we 353 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,079 saw was the stations, although you know 354 00:13:36,079 --> 00:13:37,440 people live there, it is like their home 355 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,760 while they're on duty. Um so but they're 356 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,200 residential grade finishes in the 357 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:42,720 kitchens and although it's a residence 358 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,440 kind of um it gets a lot harder use than 359 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,920 a typical residential. So it's um with 360 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,760 residential grade finishes they just 361 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,839 corrode over time. they get beaten up 362 00:13:51,839 --> 00:13:53,360 more than they would in a typical house. 363 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,160 So, um you know, upgrading to commercial 364 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,680 grade finishes though will last a lot 365 00:13:58,680 --> 00:14:02,079 longer. Um ADA accessibility is a 366 00:14:02,079 --> 00:14:03,920 challenge at every station. Uh Sarah 367 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:05,440 Gladics, we'll get into that a little 368 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,360 bit more detail later, but from, you 369 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:08,959 know, the the right of way getting into 370 00:14:08,959 --> 00:14:10,720 the building to navigating within the 371 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,120 building, uh you know, compliant door 372 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,720 handles and door hardware, heights of 373 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,320 drinking fountains, it just there's a 374 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,399 lot of ADA um issues throughout all the 375 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:20,480 stations. 376 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,320 security. There's minimal security at 377 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:23,920 most of the stations. You know, there 378 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,160 are some secured doors. Um, but you 379 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,760 know, most stations may may lack 380 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,480 separation between public and private 381 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,680 spaces. Um, parking is limited and 382 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,360 there's just general security 383 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,560 challenges. And then one of the largest 384 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,880 ones was mechanical controls. So, 385 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,040 there's the mechanical actual systems 386 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:44,399 and the pieces of equipment like the 387 00:14:44,399 --> 00:14:45,680 chillers and the air handling units. And 388 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:46,959 then there's the mechanical controls 389 00:14:46,959 --> 00:14:48,800 that program them all and tell them when 390 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,959 to do what correctly. There's problems 391 00:14:50,959 --> 00:14:53,519 with both, but the mechanical controls 392 00:14:53,519 --> 00:14:57,199 were consistently um needing a lot of uh 393 00:14:57,199 --> 00:14:58,399 they're they're out of date. Some of 394 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:00,079 them are not they're not ne network 395 00:15:00,079 --> 00:15:01,360 control, so they can't be controlled 396 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:02,800 from a single location. You have to go 397 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,880 to each station and kind of try and fix 398 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,120 it. So there's a lot of uh problems with 399 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,720 mechanical controls. 400 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,160 Um and then probably the most 401 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,800 significant from the FCA is the lack of 402 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,040 dedicated maintenance staff. So we know 403 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,839 that NFR right now the firefighters and 404 00:15:19,839 --> 00:15:20,959 the employees are the ones who are 405 00:15:20,959 --> 00:15:22,639 responsible for doing a lot of the 406 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:24,320 day-to-day troubleshooting kind of 407 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:25,600 maintenance and then the rest is 408 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,760 performed by contractors you know 409 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,320 maintenance contractors which one can a 410 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,240 lot more expensive and two you know have 411 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:33,760 varying quality of work. Some are great 412 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,360 and some sort of just you know check the 413 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,160 box and don't do the best work. So, um, 414 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,000 there's a lot of issues that because 415 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,519 they don't get handled when they're 416 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:43,600 small, they escalate to be much larger 417 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,590 and much more expensive. 418 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,560 Sarah Gladex from Rice Fergus Miller. um 419 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,800 a handful of items that we found from a 420 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,160 planning standpoint um again lack of ADA 421 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,600 compliance um throughout um lack of 422 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,320 consistency in sort of modern or typical 423 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,399 fire station spaces like bunker gear 424 00:16:04,399 --> 00:16:07,279 rooms um decontamination spaces um 425 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:09,360 lacking some industry best practices 426 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,839 what we see for modern fire stations um 427 00:16:11,839 --> 00:16:14,000 and then lacking some space for both 428 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,000 current and new technology and 429 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,240 firefighter specialty equipment um and 430 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,720 then inadequacies in your fire training 431 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,839 uh facility and 432 00:16:22,839 --> 00:16:26,160 grounds. So ADA compliance um you can 433 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,240 see just for example um getting to a 434 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,480 basement uh only via stairs would 435 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,279 provide no accessibility. Um a fire 436 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:35,440 station is a public facility. Therefore 437 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,240 it is required to um be held to the 438 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,040 international business international 439 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:45,040 sorry IBC I'll just call it IBC. um uh 440 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,360 it is required to meet the intent of the 441 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,600 code as far as a public facility um 442 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,399 using public dollars. And so there is no 443 00:16:52,399 --> 00:16:55,040 real workaround for compliance with ADA, 444 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:56,800 but we do our best to make sure that 445 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,839 it's um that it makes the most sense for 446 00:16:59,839 --> 00:17:02,079 the function and the use of the 447 00:17:02,079 --> 00:17:04,319 occupants. Um but you still need to be 448 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:06,559 able to get into a building or get to a 449 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:08,640 second level or a basement, for example. 450 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,000 And that is something that's lacking 451 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,640 kind of throughout the portfolio. 452 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,120 um inconsistent Yep. Inconsistencies 453 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:17,199 with some of these spaces like bunker 454 00:17:17,199 --> 00:17:20,079 gear rooms and decontamination rooms um 455 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:22,480 is really important because uh we 456 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,439 understand that uh decontamination helps 457 00:17:25,439 --> 00:17:28,480 prevent um bloodborne pathogens from um 458 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,000 spreading throughout your station. It 459 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,240 keeps your crews healthy. Um, and that 460 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,240 decontamination space is where you need 461 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,200 to be able to wash all of your gear. Um, 462 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,679 handle specialty equipment. And, uh, 463 00:17:39,679 --> 00:17:41,360 bunker gear needs to be stored 464 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:44,080 specifically. Um, and it it becomes 465 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,880 degraded with UV light over time. Um, 466 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,280 and it also has harmful chemicals that 467 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,080 are integral to the actual fabric of the 468 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:53,840 bunker gear. Um, and they should be 469 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,760 separated after they've been used and 470 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,440 cleaned and put into a room with a 471 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,679 closed door. Um, so things like that, 472 00:17:59,679 --> 00:18:01,679 not storing them in in anywhere that's 473 00:18:01,679 --> 00:18:03,440 getting direct light and also not 474 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,160 storing them um in the tub room, which 475 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,520 is then getting diesel exhaust um into 476 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,480 your 477 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,400 gear. Um, industry best practices, kind 478 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,799 of a a catchall for a lot of things that 479 00:18:16,799 --> 00:18:19,080 we're seeing um trends within the 480 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,600 industry. Uh, gender equity and 481 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,840 neutrality, um, such as having 482 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,480 individual sleep rooms, uh, which you do 483 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,200 well in. Um I think all but station five 484 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:30,880 have individual sleep rooms which is 485 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,960 excellent. Um and then also having 486 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,200 single occupant restrooms with shower. 487 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:36,799 Um it just gives a little bit more 488 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:39,280 autonomy to the firefighter um when 489 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,200 they're on shift and some privacy both 490 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,640 acoustic visual um uh and also 491 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,960 individual temperature controls. Um so 492 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,280 that's something that we pretty much 493 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,120 across the board are always doing in a 494 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:53,280 new fire station. That way each occupant 495 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,120 of of the space, especially during 496 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:58,240 sleeping hours, um can control if they 497 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,000 want it warmer or cooler, they want 498 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,120 natural light, they want um artificial 499 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:05,520 light. So blackout blinds and and sleep 500 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,960 room controls um are very important. Uh 501 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,240 non-porous surfaces again for bacteria, 502 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,640 um bloodborne pathogens, um things like 503 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,080 that being able to be easily cleaned and 504 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,240 maintained. Um use of the tub room. Um, 505 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,080 tub rooms should not be used for 506 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,520 gathering um or meeting of any kind. Um, 507 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,000 they should be used for a working space 508 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,960 and should not have couches or chairs or 509 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,840 tables for kind of congregating. Um, and 510 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,000 so we do see that um, across some of the 511 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,679 stations and I know it's a cultural 512 00:19:37,679 --> 00:19:40,720 thing. Um, but we will uh, we will raise 513 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,600 awareness to um, the dangers um, of 514 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,480 being in that space for longer than 515 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,720 needed. Um, and then staff parking. Um 516 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,720 again as Sarah mentioned um site 517 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,039 security and site parking u we really 518 00:19:53,039 --> 00:19:54,880 need to have adequate parking for shift 519 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,240 change. So the number on shift times two 520 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,160 would be how much parking you would want 521 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,720 to have at every station. Um which could 522 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,640 be a challenge at certain stations but 523 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,950 it's definitely something to 524 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,360 consider. Um and then uh space which can 525 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:15,039 be uh well if it's decontamination space 526 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:17,280 you know extractors we see um you know 527 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,120 in the tub room or kind of out in the 528 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:21,120 open you know we really want to get 529 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,600 space dedicated for um some of the 530 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,080 specialty equipment um that will help 531 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,559 keep your gear maintained um keep folks 532 00:20:28,559 --> 00:20:31,280 clean the station um you know there's 533 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,000 new technologies that are coming out and 534 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,000 um you know we need to be able to think 535 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,919 and futureproof for some of that 536 00:20:37,919 --> 00:20:39,760 equipment that may be coming or that 537 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,520 already has come but there's no room to 538 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,200 implement into the 539 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,520 facilities. And then just generally uh 540 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,679 your fire training or drill grounds um 541 00:20:49,679 --> 00:20:52,480 have limited limited site availability 542 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,120 um deteriorating deteriorating 543 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:58,000 infrastructure. Um it's been the tower's 544 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,120 been burned uh many times and um needs 545 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:03,120 to be replaced. Um and then there's just 546 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:06,480 lacking of of uh of training um 547 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,559 objectives to meet the needs of the 548 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:11,520 city. 549 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,360 All right. So that was oh sorry Sarah 550 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:15,840 Partap from Mang Analysis. Um that was 551 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,080 our uh kind of overview of the common 552 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,600 trends throughout all the stations. So 553 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,039 now we're going to dive a little deeper 554 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:23,840 into individual stations and facilities 555 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,000 and their uh specific needs. So we'll 556 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,000 just go in order starting with uh fire 557 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,919 station one which is Amherst Street. Um 558 00:21:31,919 --> 00:21:33,760 the way we'll do this is I'll just cover 559 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,840 quickly some of the top FCA related 560 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,280 issues. So you know actual issues with 561 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,200 the building besides the programmatic 562 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,360 issues and then Sarah Gladex will talk 563 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:43,360 through the programmatic ones. So 564 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:45,360 Amherst Street Station that was that 565 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:47,280 staircase photo I believe that Sarah 566 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,320 showed on her ADA slide. Um that station 567 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,760 one of the primary issues is moisture 568 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,600 intrusion. The photo I'm showing here is 569 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,000 just a example of the downspout not 570 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,760 being directly connected to the 571 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,360 groundwater drainage system and it's 572 00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:01,760 right over a crack. So there's obviously 573 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,200 there's moisture intrusion that's coming 574 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,600 down into the basement um which causes 575 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,440 erosion and can cause mildew and things 576 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,600 like that. Because this is your oldest 577 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,520 station, it has a lot of hazardous 578 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,159 materials. It predates all the laws that 579 00:22:14,159 --> 00:22:15,600 say what you can and can't put in a 580 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,600 facility like this. So you know there is 581 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,480 uh asbestous, there's lead paint, uh 582 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,480 there's several noted hazardous 583 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,799 materials there. Um and then the third 584 00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:26,400 big issue I wanted to highlight was just 585 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,400 end of life HVAC equipment. So in this 586 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,000 case it's equipment and controls I 587 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,400 believe. Um but just you know boilers 588 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:33,919 and things like that they might last if 589 00:22:33,919 --> 00:22:36,480 you upkeep them well 20 years and then 590 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,840 they just need to be replaced. So these 591 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,240 are at end of 592 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,559 life. Um and as far as programmatic um 593 00:22:43,559 --> 00:22:46,000 deficiencies. There's not a dedicated 594 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,600 decontamination room. There's not 595 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,520 dedicated bunker gear storage that isn't 596 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,840 in the tub room on the walls. Um there 597 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,000 is not sufficient office space which 598 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,400 would include um a firefighter work 599 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,200 area. So kind of afteraction reviews or 600 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,840 debriefs um report writing things like 601 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,400 that. Um we're lacking space for those. 602 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,400 Um and then lack of private single 603 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,520 occupant restrooms. 604 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,159 Sarah partap again. So station two Lake 605 00:23:12,159 --> 00:23:15,280 Street station. Um this one an 606 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,120 interesting problem. The way the roof is 607 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:19,520 configured is when ice and snow melt it 608 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,440 kind of all converges in a single point 609 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:22,559 which happens to be right over the 610 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:25,280 entry. So, if there's large snow or ice 611 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,640 melt, it can, you know, obviously get 612 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,000 moisture on people that are coming in, 613 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,919 but the ice could actually fall uh, you 614 00:23:29,919 --> 00:23:31,280 know, onto somebody who is coming 615 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,600 through that door. Uh, there's floor 616 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,840 corrosion um from I believe that 617 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,280 probably the hydronulic piping and the 618 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,600 flooring. And then again, HVAC, the 619 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,039 problem with this one is the boilers 620 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:43,360 themselves are at end of life and have 621 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:45,600 been failing and have had uh fixes and 622 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:46,720 patches and things like that, but 623 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,840 they're needing to be replaced now. 624 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,280 um programmatically um site parking is 625 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,440 is an issue there. Uh we know there's a 626 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,760 through road that goes uh right through 627 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,000 the parking area um for staff and public 628 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,640 parking. Um and so that needs to be 629 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,799 addressed. Um there's no dedicated 630 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:07,120 kitchen space for the admin since it is 631 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:10,720 now headquarters. So level one um off of 632 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,440 the public parking is is where uh 633 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,159 firefighter administration is um 634 00:24:16,159 --> 00:24:18,320 currently located and they don't have 635 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,000 the proper um accessory spaces for that 636 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,120 use. Um it is a a relatively new station 637 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:27,840 by the by fire station standards. Um and 638 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,600 so it's been wellmaintained. There's 639 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,760 there's a lot of good happening. So, we 640 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,039 only really recommend um converting some 641 00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:37,039 sleep room or I'm sorry, converting some 642 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:38,640 uh space in the living quarters at the 643 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,240 fire station side um for single occupant 644 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,159 restrooms and the rest is is in pretty 645 00:24:44,159 --> 00:24:46,360 good 646 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:48,799 shape. Okay. Station three, which is 647 00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:51,200 Fitbook Road. Um this is actually the 648 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,880 pilot facility that we did. So, our 649 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,840 first station that we assessed um end of 650 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,720 life roof uh the roof the the roofs are 651 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,880 a problem throughout all the stations. 652 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,279 Uh but this one in particular, this one 653 00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:04,880 is additionally challenging because just 654 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,559 accessing the roof, you have to go out 655 00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:08,480 through a window. There's not uh 656 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,840 built-in, you know, roof hatches. So, 657 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,240 it's not easy to access. And when a roof 658 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,919 is not easy to access, it means that 659 00:25:13,919 --> 00:25:15,360 you're not maintaining it as frequently. 660 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,360 So, your roof drains can get clogged 661 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,679 with tree debris, then water ponds on 662 00:25:19,679 --> 00:25:20,960 the roof, and then you develop a roof 663 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,480 leak over time. So, having convenient 664 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,240 and safe roof access is an important 665 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,240 thing to consider in any fire station, 666 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,720 any building really. Um and then the 667 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,240 boiler and heat pumps at this one are 668 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,039 also nearing end of life. 669 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:36,240 Um from our perspective, this also um 670 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,159 has a parking challenge and that's 671 00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:40,159 something we addressed in the planning. 672 00:25:40,159 --> 00:25:41,679 Um there's just not enough parking 673 00:25:41,679 --> 00:25:44,480 spaces um especially for shift change. 674 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,039 Um and then this uh this station 675 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:49,039 actually they had an addition. So, a new 676 00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:52,000 uh tub room was put in not that long ago 677 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,960 um which enabled them to uh include a 678 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,120 secondary bunker gear storage room. And 679 00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,039 so, they've got two instead of one 680 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:02,000 larger single room. Um and this is a 681 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,880 station in particular where uh folks are 682 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,039 gathering in the tub room and that space 683 00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:11,279 could be uh very well utilized for a a 684 00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:14,000 dedicated decontamination room um as the 685 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,080 extractor just sits in the tub room um 686 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,039 out in the open. So, um there's some 687 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:20,480 there's some great things at that 688 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,240 station and there are a few challenges 689 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:27,909 that could be fairly um easily solved. 690 00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:30,240 All right. Uh next is station 4, Crown 691 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,559 Hill Station. Um this one is the newest 692 00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:34,480 in the portfolio. I believe it's from 693 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,520 2006 or thereabouts. 2008. Thank you, 694 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,559 Sarah. Um and this one, of all the 695 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:42,159 stations, we think this one probably has 696 00:26:42,159 --> 00:26:44,080 the worst HVAC issues even though it's 697 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,919 the newest. The picture you're seeing 698 00:26:45,919 --> 00:26:47,840 here is of the hydronic heating system. 699 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,440 And I'm not a mechanical engineer, so 700 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:50,960 don't ask me detailed questions about 701 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,880 this, but essentially, you know, it's a 702 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,240 hot water piping system that goes 703 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,120 throughout the building and that's 704 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:57,200 what's used to heat the building. And 705 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,200 the water in that system should be clear 706 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,279 water. That water is obviously not 707 00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:03,919 clear. It's got oil in it. Um there's a 708 00:27:03,919 --> 00:27:05,760 lot of, you know, uh pin prick leaks 709 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,039 that are starting to happen within the 710 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:09,600 system. And we're guessing that probably 711 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,000 the system wasn't um completely flushed 712 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,600 during the construction time. You know, 713 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,520 once they install it, there should be a 714 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,600 full flush. And if that didn't occur, it 715 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,440 can lead to problems over time. The 716 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,960 water quality issues will corrode the 717 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,320 pipes leading to those small little 718 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,240 leaks. Uh so that's what you're seeing 719 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,549 there. 720 00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:30,880 Yes. Uh since it is a newer station, 721 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,559 there's a lot that is working really 722 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:35,360 well. Um, I would say the biggest 723 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,080 challenge is that it was formerly where 724 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,840 headquarters was before it went to 725 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,240 station two. And so there is a lot of 726 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,360 unused uh sort of public andor um 727 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:47,039 administrative spaces in the front of 728 00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:49,840 the station. Um and so being able to 729 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,400 better utilize that um and get the fire 730 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,240 marshals some additional space as well 731 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,399 as maybe a true reception and 732 00:27:56,399 --> 00:27:59,120 administrative office space um and some 733 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,000 storage uh will help that um help solve 734 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,480 those problems. Um and then there isn't 735 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,640 really what we would consider a true 736 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,320 decontamination room. It's sort of 737 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,200 utility catchall space um that happens 738 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,120 to have some decontamination in it. So, 739 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:15,360 there's a few minor things that can be 740 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,799 um updated from a programmatic 741 00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:20,149 standpoint. 742 00:28:20,159 --> 00:28:22,000 All right, station five, Pineh Hill Road 743 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,240 Station is the next one. Uh this one 744 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,080 overall the building, I think everybody 745 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,360 knows the building of this one is 746 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:29,039 essentially at end of life, but just 747 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:30,559 some issues that will highlight 748 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:32,640 hazardous materials. Um again, this is 749 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,159 one that has a fair amount of hazardous 750 00:28:34,159 --> 00:28:35,520 materials. The photo you're seeing 751 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,919 there, uh the black squares on the floor 752 00:28:37,919 --> 00:28:41,679 are where um tiles have become loose. 753 00:28:41,679 --> 00:28:42,960 And so that's the actual the black 754 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,640 adhesive that you're seeing, which is an 755 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,880 asbestous containing material. And 756 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,640 asbestous when it's not touched and it's 757 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,200 intact, it's it's okay. You don't still 758 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,240 don't want it, but it's not going to do 759 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,000 any harm. But when it becomes uh 760 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,679 airborne and fryable from, you know, 761 00:28:55,679 --> 00:28:56,960 people walking over it and picking up 762 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,120 particles, as you can assume that's 763 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,240 happening here because it's the floor, 764 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,279 that is not good. Um, this station also 765 00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:05,200 has pretty poor ventilation. I believe 766 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,120 the upstairs there's no cooling. It's 767 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,279 just windows. So, uh, and a lot of their 768 00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:10,799 ventilation comes through operable 769 00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:11,840 windows instead of, you know, 770 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,559 mechanical, uh, systems doing it. And 771 00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:16,240 the roof, another one, this is another 772 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,360 one with the end of life roof. 773 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,840 Um, this one, um, as you can see by my 774 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,320 little paragraph there, it is deficient 775 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,200 in almost all programmatic elements that 776 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,679 would make a a functioning and healthy 777 00:29:29,679 --> 00:29:33,600 fire station. Um not I mean that's just 778 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,640 beyond the hazmat issue that we have but 779 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,880 you know fitness is happening in the tub 780 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,760 room where it you know that is a dirty 781 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,520 space um and so you shouldn't be working 782 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,320 out in there um no dedicated um anything 783 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,200 as far as operational um decontamination 784 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,760 room bunker gear storage um and then 785 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,159 sleeping quarters. Uh it is the only uh 786 00:29:54,159 --> 00:29:55,679 facility that does not have individual 787 00:29:55,679 --> 00:29:58,480 sleep rooms and restrooms. Um, and so it 788 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,520 it's uh it doesn't provide any privacy 789 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,240 of any kind for any of the crews to have 790 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,430 um adequate and healthy 791 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,320 sleep. So what we did was discuss um 792 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,919 during the needs assessment and 793 00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:16,640 workshops, what would a new station 5 on 794 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,880 Pineh Hill Road look like? Um is it 795 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,240 feasible to remodel what you have? Sure. 796 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,080 But let's think bigger and let's think 797 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,000 into the future. what does the city need 798 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,919 and what does the fire department need? 799 00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:30,880 And that's where we've landed is uh is 800 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,760 enabling a new station to be to be 801 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,399 discussed and planned um that also 802 00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:38,960 houses a citywide EOC and emergency 803 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,360 management which is a really excellent 804 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,399 use of a public facility to put in um to 805 00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:47,200 put in several entities. Um and you've 806 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,640 got the room for it. Um, and you can do 807 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,679 it single story, which was fun to figure 808 00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:56,320 out because all of your stations are uh 809 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,200 more than one story currently. Um, so it 810 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,960 was a really it was a great exercise to 811 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,960 find out, you know, how many sleep rooms 812 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,760 will you need? Um, you know, what other 813 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,240 uh accessory spaces would you need to, 814 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,880 you know, to handle more recruitment and 815 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,880 retention and what can you provide your 816 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,520 current firefighters on staff? um as 817 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,360 well as um who do you want to bring in 818 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,960 in the future and how do we make that 819 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,760 happen? So just understanding the goals 820 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,080 um understanding the needs um and this 821 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,480 is where we have come conceptually. 822 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,840 Sorry, you're good. 823 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,880 Okay, next uh station six Conan Road. Uh 824 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,399 this one again it has an end of life 825 00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:36,320 roof and it's hard to get on the roof. 826 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,799 Um not great ventilation. This is kind 827 00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:40,799 of funny. We were our mechanical guy was 828 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:42,000 out there and he was talking to one of 829 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,360 the firefighters who's like, "Oh no, we 830 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,480 have a ventilation. we have a ceiling 831 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,799 fan. We're like, well, I mean, yeah, 832 00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:48,399 that moves the air around, but you know, 833 00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:49,919 actual exhausting ventilation to get 834 00:31:49,919 --> 00:31:52,159 clean outside air into the building. Uh, 835 00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:54,320 the cooling unit there is undersized. 836 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,960 Um, so it can't really perform for the 837 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,880 full cooling load that's needed at this 838 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,720 building. And then this one is unique 839 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,720 because it it has the fire station and 840 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,640 it also has the mechanics area, the 841 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,440 shop. And uh the heating system is 842 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,640 connected. So there's like a single 843 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,320 control for the fire station half and 844 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,240 the shop half, which the shop half, they 845 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,760 might have more doors open. they might 846 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,279 have they have different needs than the 847 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,360 building that's sort of left alone. So, 848 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,440 um decoupling those heating and cooling 849 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,000 systems would be a priority. 850 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,880 Um, this station uh also I I believe 851 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,440 it's had several kitchen remodels um all 852 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,919 of which are residential grade and you 853 00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:31,919 know the the use and abuse of 854 00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:35,039 firefighters in kitchens and uh 855 00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:38,880 materials finishes um is understood and 856 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,559 um I think that's that would be a 857 00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:42,080 priority is getting in some commercial 858 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,880 grade um uh appliances. Um there is no 859 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,399 real lobby or or obvious entrance which 860 00:32:50,399 --> 00:32:52,480 I think from a public standpoint is you 861 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:53,919 know you want to make sure someone knows 862 00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:55,279 where they're going to go if they were 863 00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:56,720 going to have an emergency or they 864 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,919 needed to stop by um also for security 865 00:32:59,919 --> 00:33:01,519 purposes. So that's something that we 866 00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:03,440 looked into when when uh talking about 867 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,919 needs um and assessing what that program 868 00:33:05,919 --> 00:33:09,360 might look like. Um decontamination and 869 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,760 bunker gear they kind of they're a 870 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,440 little muddy there. Um, I think that we 871 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,559 need some true spaces, some true 872 00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:18,320 separation. Um, and, uh, maintenance 873 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,519 bays, uh, certainly need better storage. 874 00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:24,000 Um, both interior storage and exterior 875 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,399 storage. Um, and they're woefully 876 00:33:26,399 --> 00:33:28,720 lacking in their, uh, very small living 877 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,110 quarters and office 878 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,480 space. All right. The fire alarm 879 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,039 building. Uh this one I believe it has a 880 00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:38,880 heated uh floor, you know, through 881 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,640 piping embedded in the floor, which is 882 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,480 hard to replace because it's embedded in 883 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,080 the floor, but uh there's issues with 884 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,440 that. So that's going to require some 885 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,760 repairs. The roof is at end of life. 886 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,919 Again, mechanical controls, and this one 887 00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:51,360 houses a data center, you know, which 888 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,039 generates a lot of heat, so there should 889 00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:54,880 be a dedicated cooling system in the 890 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,559 data center just to keep it from 891 00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:59,200 overheating and failing. 892 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,640 Um, a couple uh fairly major items at 893 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,519 this uh facility is ADA compliance. 894 00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:07,200 Again, I mean, we've we said that on 895 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,119 both uh phase one and phase two, ADA 896 00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:11,919 compliance is an issue. Um, this one in 897 00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:14,639 particular, um, and I say it very 898 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:19,280 gently, um, but, uh, this is not a a 899 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,280 station. This is not for firefighters. 900 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,879 Um, this is for fire alarm and 901 00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:25,679 dispatches located there. Um, and you 902 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:28,079 could certainly have a dispatcher who 903 00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:30,639 has mobility issues and there is no way 904 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,919 currently to get a person up and into 905 00:34:33,919 --> 00:34:36,320 the dispatch room. Um, so that is an 906 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,599 issue that that needs some kind of 907 00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:41,359 resolution. Um, and that's important 908 00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:43,200 because you want to make sure that um, 909 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,119 you're able to have folks, you know, who 910 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:47,440 are wheelchair bound or any otherwise 911 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,760 have mobility issues um, able to enter 912 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,720 and or work in the space. um generally 913 00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:54,800 just inadequate office space for the 914 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,480 staff members that are are working out 915 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,200 of there. Um and there is no real 916 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,000 ability to expand um that facility 917 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,599 because of the small site that is 918 00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:05,440 already too small and there's already 919 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,240 not enough parking. Um so it's it's a 920 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,160 tough one. It'd have to be a very light 921 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,760 touch remodel um in order to not trigger 922 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,079 um major code compliance upgrades. 923 00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:20,079 Okay. Then our final one is the drill 924 00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:23,119 yard. So, some of the condition issues, 925 00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:24,880 um, I mean, obviously the building is a 926 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,880 burned building, so we did write some of 927 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,160 that up, but we're not going to talk 928 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,359 about that because that is the intent. 929 00:35:29,359 --> 00:35:30,560 It's supposed to be beaten up and 930 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,320 burned. But the site itself had some 931 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,400 issues. Uh, one, the type of pavement 932 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,400 that's out there is not strong enough 933 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,920 um, for, you know, the apparatus that 934 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,920 are going back and forth on it. So, it 935 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,280 is uh, corroding faster. And then, uh, 936 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,880 the drainage is not great. So in the 937 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,160 winter, you can see there, this is the 938 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,280 summer, there's a puddle there where 939 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,520 they're, you know, releasing many, many, 940 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,280 many gallons of water and then it 941 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,359 becomes icy and it's dangerous to drive. 942 00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:55,520 Um, additionally, there's no permanent, 943 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,359 uh, like training building out there, so 944 00:35:57,359 --> 00:35:59,040 no restrooms or showers, so they don't 945 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,040 have an opportunity to clean up before 946 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,960 they get back in the truck and go back 947 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,560 to their station. 948 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,800 Um and at this current site, not 949 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,599 currently where the um ConX uh tower is 950 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:11,440 located, but uh elsewhere at the 951 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,079 landfill, um there's an opportunity for 952 00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:15,760 potentially about four acres of 953 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,160 development for a new training and drill 954 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,680 grounds. Um so we use that footprint to 955 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,160 um to discuss mostly with Chief Pulot 956 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,119 and Captain Nielsen uh with training to 957 00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:28,880 find out what, you know, what are the 958 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,560 what are the objectives for training? 959 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,960 what does the city of NSHA need as far 960 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,240 as different types of response? Um, you 961 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,000 know, what are the props that you might 962 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,400 want? And so, uh, we went really in 963 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,640 depth with the training program and 964 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,880 ended up, well, a train training site is 965 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,200 always going to be very large and very 966 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,440 expensive. Um so thinking about it from 967 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,680 a phased approach, uh we felt confident 968 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,079 that um you could get a lot of the um 969 00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:56,480 the infrastructure put into place and 970 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,200 some facilities on the site in phase one 971 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,280 and then down the road as more funding 972 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,119 becomes available, you could really 973 00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:05,040 outfit it with all the different props 974 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,599 and uh urban search and rescue, confined 975 00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:11,119 space, training options, um hazmat. But 976 00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:13,839 for phase one, um it would really focus 977 00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:16,400 on what you need. Now, um an outdoor 978 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,960 classroom, a covered area with restrooms 979 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,040 so you can train outdoors during all 980 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,760 kinds of weather. Um relocating the 981 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,480 existing ConX uh burn tower to that 982 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,520 site. Um using the site topography in 983 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,079 order to do some wildland um potential 984 00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:36,160 wildland training. Um so just that was a 985 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,839 fun one. There's a lot of really fun 986 00:37:37,839 --> 00:37:39,599 stuff you can do with the training site. 987 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:41,760 Um, and I think it would be very 988 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,000 beneficial to not only the city and the 989 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,790 fire department, but the region. 990 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,960 Okay, so that was sort of the end of um 991 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,160 the station bystation analysis and now 992 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,119 more getting into the planning portion 993 00:37:57,119 --> 00:37:59,440 of the evening. Um, yeah, just a couple 994 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,400 of things. Uh we discussed um in one of 995 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,400 our first uh initial meetings or 996 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,200 workshops um what does the future of 997 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,520 Nashua look like and what does that do 998 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,200 for response times um and are there 999 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,200 developments coming right now or coming 1000 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,560 in the future where you're going to need 1001 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,119 to expand the service area or is your 1002 00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:20,640 you know the response times are going to 1003 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,480 get a little too long from your current 1004 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,040 stations. Um, so what we did was just 1005 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,560 come up with, you know, what would like 1006 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,440 a satellite station be or or a smaller 1007 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,520 um smaller station that could go, you 1008 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,839 know, maybe nearby a new school or or 1009 00:38:33,839 --> 00:38:35,920 other new developments in the city, 1010 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,079 maybe on the outskirts that don't have 1011 00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:40,720 the greatest response times. So, we just 1012 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:42,560 came up with a prototype that would meet 1013 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,960 those needs um and then be easily 1014 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,000 adaptable at any time in the future um 1015 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:53,270 if if chosen. 1016 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,960 And we also did the same kind of 1017 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,200 exercise um with fire alarm um 1018 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,800 discussing those needs again and 1019 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,880 diagramming you know what is the space 1020 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,599 required um what are you missing right 1021 00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:06,720 now in your current facility um you can 1022 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,359 ignore uh this the site image on the 1023 00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:11,760 right but we just what we do is we use 1024 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,000 that as a test to fit and we we figure 1025 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,560 out you know how much acreage might you 1026 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,880 need in order to accommodate the size of 1027 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,720 the facility and the um associ 1028 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:23,839 associated parking requirements. Um, so 1029 00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:26,240 we went in depth with Fire Alarm and and 1030 00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:27,839 the folks there and and got their 1031 00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:29,760 feedback to figure out what does the 1032 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,680 future fire alarm facility need to look 1033 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,710 like. 1034 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,200 All right. So, now getting a little bit 1035 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,640 into some of the costs for some of these 1036 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,040 pieces. Uh, Sarah Gladex will cover most 1037 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,560 of this, but we wanted to call out a few 1038 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,880 things uh up front. One is about the 1039 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,800 level of detail of the cost estimates 1040 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,880 that we're providing. So, From the 1041 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,640 facility condition assessment, there is 1042 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,800 a lot of those short-term and long-term 1043 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,839 deficiency costs, the predicted renewal 1044 00:39:56,839 --> 00:39:59,440 costs. These are rough estimates sort of 1045 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,119 to plan your budget. So, rough order of 1046 00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:03,599 magnitude. Is it a $10,000 project or is 1047 00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:05,440 a $100,000 project, but we're not giving 1048 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,960 you is it a $10,000 versus a 1049 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,720 $12,60 project. So, it's really kind of 1050 00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:14,320 um planning purposes, not a full 1051 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,839 estimate. And 1052 00:40:16,839 --> 00:40:19,040 um an important thing we've mentioned 1053 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,760 kind of throughout is extensive repairs 1054 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,240 can trigger code compliance upgrade. So 1055 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:26,160 with the facility condition assessment, 1056 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,119 if by some way you were able to fund all 1057 00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:30,800 of the deficiencies in a single station, 1058 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,079 like we're going to make all the repairs 1059 00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:33,760 they suggested over the next 5 years, 1060 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,599 it's likely going to be a significant 1061 00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:37,200 enough of an investment that it would 1062 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,359 trigger a full code compliance upgrade, 1063 00:40:39,359 --> 00:40:40,720 which would bring in, you know, hazmat 1064 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:42,720 remediation, ADA compliance. It would 1065 00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:45,839 bring in a lot. So the the costs can 1066 00:40:45,839 --> 00:40:47,760 grow quite quickly if you're required to 1067 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,800 do a full compliance upgrade. Um and 1068 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,480 then getting into the LRFP, sorry, the 1069 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,800 long range facility plan costs, those 1070 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,240 are more they're taking our costs from 1071 00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:58,960 the FCA and rolling those into a larger 1072 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,800 project cost. So the facility condition 1073 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,280 assessment costs are sort of a the intro 1074 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,240 level budget planning and then the um 1075 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:08,240 the long range costs will include like 1076 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:10,160 Sarah said soft costs like your internal 1077 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,079 costs of doing business, the design 1078 00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:14,000 fees, permitting fees. They try to make 1079 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,520 their best guess at all in what are 1080 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,510 these things going to cost. 1081 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,680 Um some additional considerations on 1082 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,240 cost uh timing and escalation. If you 1083 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:25,680 know anything about the construction 1084 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,480 industry, you know that escalation and 1085 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,319 the economy are really big factors in um 1086 00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:34,960 and the cost of materials and goods um 1087 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,119 and the cost of construction and timing 1088 00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:38,720 um is really important because when 1089 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:41,839 you're adding in 4 and a.5% escalation, 1090 00:41:41,839 --> 00:41:43,359 which could change, it could be higher, 1091 00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:46,160 it could be lower. Um that's just going 1092 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,240 to make it it's always going to be more 1093 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,560 expensive if you do it later. um not 1094 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,240 because anything changes but because 1095 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,640 escalation will change and the costs of 1096 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,440 things uh increase over time. Um and 1097 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,280 it's also good to understand the timing 1098 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,160 of a project. For example, a new fire 1099 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,640 station um on average is going to take 1100 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,720 about a year to design and get through 1101 00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:08,480 permitting. Um and it's going to take 1102 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,720 about a year to 18 months to build. 1103 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,520 That's fairly typical. Um can be 1104 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,040 slightly different depending on the size 1105 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,560 of and the scale of the facility or any 1106 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,160 complexities. Um, also customary uh 10% 1107 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,720 uh estimating and design contingency. 1108 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:27,280 Um, that contingency goes down as you 1109 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,359 have more knowns. So when you're early 1110 00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:31,119 on in, you know, schematic design, for 1111 00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:32,560 example, you're going to have a higher 1112 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,720 contingency and then as you get towards 1113 00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:36,880 construction documents um, and well into 1114 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,040 your bid sets, your contingency is going 1115 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,520 to continue to go down uh because more 1116 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,079 things have been figured out. Um and 1117 00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:47,839 then in the case of today um we we have 1118 00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:49,680 added uh quite a bit of additional 1119 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,920 contingency to these projects just to 1120 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,319 capture any unknowns. Um you know you 1121 00:42:54,319 --> 00:42:56,400 want to go in and ask for as much money 1122 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,040 as you think that it may cost plus some 1123 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,880 so that you're not going back out and 1124 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,760 and oh we forgot this or we didn't 1125 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,920 account for that. So we try to be really 1126 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,560 conservative with our estimating to make 1127 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,800 sure that you are covered. Can I chime 1128 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,720 in right here? Yes. Yes. So, uh, I'm 1129 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:19,440 gonna just naturize this a little bit 1130 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,240 because I I I get very sensitive at this 1131 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:24,000 as the typically the person who's up 1132 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,079 before you that has to explain the 1133 00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:29,440 various project costs. Um, you know, I I 1134 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,960 tend to want to make sure we're very 1135 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,119 clear on this. So, the 4.5 escalation, I 1136 00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:35,040 think that's low. I would I would carry 1137 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,560 more something like 10% for 1138 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,400 year-over-year escalation just by the 1139 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,400 New England market being the way it is. 1140 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,640 Um, and that's what we currently carry, 1141 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,880 just so everyone knows, four projects to 1142 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,160 to to be safe. Uh, relative to the 1143 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,000 estimating design contingency, we 1144 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,319 typically carry 15%. And I want to be 1145 00:43:52,319 --> 00:43:54,640 clear, this contingency is reduced as a 1146 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,480 design contingency, but we have two 1147 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,160 other contingencies that we always carry 1148 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,240 as well, an odin contingency and a 1149 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:02,480 general contractor's contingency. Those 1150 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,640 contingencies are on top of this 1151 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,319 contingency. So, I just want to make 1152 00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:07,520 sure that that's that's kind of 1153 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,839 understood. And then we're carrying 1154 00:44:09,839 --> 00:44:12,480 anywhere between 1 and 5% for tariffs 1155 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,040 and and various, you know, inflationary 1156 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,440 factors right now on our on our projects 1157 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,160 based on what we're hearing and seeing 1158 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,960 in the marketplace. Uh and that's 1159 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,960 obviously evolving. 1160 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,319 Thank you. Y that's great. 1161 00:44:28,319 --> 00:44:30,000 Um a few other things to consider 1162 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,119 related to cost um are uh delivery 1163 00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:35,280 methods. So a traditional design bid 1164 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,520 build delivery method is usually the 1165 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,680 cheapest um which means all of your 1166 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,200 documentation is done and then you go 1167 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,960 out and hard bid it on the street and 1168 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,000 you take the lowest um what do they call 1169 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,520 it the lowest responsible bidder um and 1170 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:50,800 then you can also do alternative 1171 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,079 delivery methods which which are 1172 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:54,240 becoming a lot more popular um things 1173 00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:56,560 like CMGC uh construction manager 1174 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,440 general contractor um or design build or 1175 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,520 progressive design build um they're all 1176 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,520 very great methods in their own Okay. 1177 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,280 Um, I would say alternative delivery 1178 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,040 methods can be a little more expensive 1179 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,960 on the front end, but you're bringing in 1180 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,440 your contractor early to help solve any 1181 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,520 design issues with the architect and 1182 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,640 engineers from the beginning. Um, and so 1183 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,480 there are pros and cons, but you can 1184 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,560 anticipate some higher costs with some 1185 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,040 of these different methods. Um, and also 1186 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,480 considerations for an owner's 1187 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,720 representative. Um, a large a small 1188 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:28,800 project may not need it, but you need 1189 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,440 someone to be able to manage uh the 1190 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,000 work, the project, the contractor, the 1191 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,640 architect. Um, so we like to add in some 1192 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,960 uh contingency or allowance in your soft 1193 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,200 costs for an owner's representative um 1194 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:46,430 for the project if 1195 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,920 needed. Um, and just an overview um for 1196 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,480 the new stations uh that are part of the 1197 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,800 long range the phase 2 long range plan. 1198 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,280 Um all new facilities are just you know 1199 00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,680 one conceptual design option and an 1200 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,160 estimate. Um the training grounds as 1201 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,839 mentioned has a phase one and a phase 1202 00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:06,960 two component. Um and then each remodel 1203 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,119 um based on on the needs assessment the 1204 00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:12,000 remodels that were determined um have 1205 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,240 several different options. Um, just to 1206 00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:17,119 give you uh an overview of what you 1207 00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:19,680 could expect from, you know, more of the 1208 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,720 FCA data that Sarah and her team come up 1209 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:24,640 with. Um, if you're going to address 1210 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,400 more deficiencies and opportunities, 1211 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,040 it's going to be more expensive. Um, if 1212 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,720 you do all of the planning work that 1213 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:33,359 phase 2 represents, it's it's going to 1214 00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:34,960 be more expensive. So, we tried to break 1215 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,480 it out so you get a little bit of a 1216 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,599 different um idea of the opportunities. 1217 00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:41,839 So, option A mostly correcting all 1218 00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:44,480 deficiencies. um and and opportunities 1219 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,839 being created. Um and then really the 1220 00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:49,760 biggest component there is full 1221 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,440 planning. So option A is going to have 1222 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,319 everything necessary from the phase one 1223 00:46:54,319 --> 00:46:57,119 uh FCA data, everything from phase two. 1224 00:46:57,119 --> 00:46:58,960 Um and it's also going to take into 1225 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,880 account upgrades needed. Um option B is 1226 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,800 kind of like one tier down. So maybe 1227 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,079 like option A is best and then better is 1228 00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:10,960 option B which would be you know some 1229 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,200 light refresh to the spaces you know 1230 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,200 getting new paint new 1231 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,400 materials you're not getting any new 1232 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,240 programming no new walls but you're 1233 00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:22,480 getting something um and then you're 1234 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,680 also getting the priority items that are 1235 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,480 deficient um based on the FCA um and 1236 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,560 those would be replaced in kind so that 1237 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,560 will help keep the cost down and you 1238 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,560 hopefully can avoid triggering ing a 1239 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,119 full code compliance upgrade. Um and 1240 00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:40,400 then option C is basically just no 1241 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,000 planning. You're not changing anything 1242 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,839 within the station except for when it 1243 00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:46,880 comes to um systems and um 1244 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,480 infrastructure and things that are are 1245 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,240 deficient with the building itself and 1246 00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:55,950 and its uh necessary 1247 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,440 systems. So this is where I start to to 1248 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,400 talk about big millions. Um, and I like 1249 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,560 to say big millions because it all feels 1250 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,760 kind of like it's not real. 1251 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,760 Like fire stations are are very 1252 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,119 expensive. Um, they need to um be held 1253 00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:16,720 to a um a higher structural um 1254 00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:18,560 consideration than other facilities. 1255 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,920 They're also public facilities. Um, and 1256 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,400 those come with hefty price tags. 1257 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,960 Um, these are all conceptual costs and 1258 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,559 they are also um, uh, there is a high 1259 00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:34,880 contingency involved. Um, but we wanted 1260 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,559 to make sure that when we're talking 1261 00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:38,480 about what your needs are, we're 1262 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,240 covering them all and more. Um, and Tim 1263 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,480 may Tim may disagree. I think our we 1264 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,839 have different numbers. Um but uh this 1265 00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:49,680 is just giving you kind of an idea of 1266 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,440 what you can expect when you read 1267 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,359 through um the final draft of uh phase 2 1268 00:48:55,359 --> 00:48:57,839 uh report. Um and so we're going through 1269 00:48:57,839 --> 00:49:00,640 and we're we're indicating um visually 1270 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,640 what the hard construction costs are, 1271 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,520 what the soft project costs uh could be, 1272 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,160 and then what that total looks like. Um 1273 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:09,760 so if you were going to say we're going 1274 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,400 to do all of these new facilities, it's 1275 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,480 probably about $und00 million give or 1276 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,359 take. It's probably less, but again, 1277 00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:19,440 being very conservative, we're going to 1278 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,480 estimate a little higher um because it's 1279 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,470 safer in this 1280 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,599 economy. And then again, just another 1281 00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:29,920 visual of of what you can expect in the 1282 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,160 report is um going through station by 1283 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,559 station for remodels and then indicating 1284 00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:36,480 what those option A, B, and C kind of 1285 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,960 that good, better, best um scenario 1286 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,480 might look like. And so of course it 1287 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,800 varies because you could pick all option 1288 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,000 C and then you're going to be on the 1289 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,680 lower end or you could pick all option A 1290 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,760 or you can do a mix. So there's kind of 1291 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,589 a range there um of what you're looking 1292 00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:56,160 at. Uh and this is just showing um kind 1293 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,319 of some uh behind the scenes like when 1294 00:49:58,319 --> 00:50:00,880 we're going through and we're indicating 1295 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,440 um you know what projects could look 1296 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,559 like. It could be a remodel. It could be 1297 00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:08,559 um a new station. And in this case, 1298 00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:11,280 we're just giving um examples of what it 1299 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,440 would look like to do uh re- roof and 1300 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,680 HVAC projects on all of the existing 1301 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,160 facilities. Um so that's also an option 1302 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,920 is to kind of pick and choose and and 1303 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,400 select projects uh based on priority for 1304 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,990 the fire department and for the city. 1305 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,880 Uh so now getting into recommendations 1306 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,559 in the short term. You guys I believe 1307 00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:34,119 have probably already heard some of this 1308 00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:36,160 information. Um but you know sort of 1309 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,319 decided the department has identified a 1310 00:50:38,319 --> 00:50:40,720 few priorities. The first one is again 1311 00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:42,559 working through all those HVAC issues 1312 00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:44,800 with equipment and controls uh across 1313 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,359 the department. Uh repairing or 1314 00:50:47,359 --> 00:50:49,359 replacing as many roofs as possible 1315 00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:51,680 across the department. And then uh the 1316 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,240 new Pinehill uh road station, station 1317 00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:56,160 five, which the feasibility study for 1318 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,839 that is beginning soon. Um those are the 1319 00:50:59,839 --> 00:51:02,880 kind of the the identified priorities. 1320 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,559 And then getting into the the next 1321 00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:06,960 steps, we're essentially done with our 1322 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,319 work for this project. It's more just 1323 00:51:08,319 --> 00:51:10,480 kind of finalizing any comments, 1324 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,480 answering questions from you guys. But 1325 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,200 um uh the facility condition assessment 1326 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,280 report is complete, just unless there's 1327 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,119 any final comments or edits. the long 1328 00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:21,119 range plan is similarly complete just if 1329 00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:22,640 there's any final comments or edits. So 1330 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,920 both of those deliverables would be 1331 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,520 formalized uh as the final version. Um 1332 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,200 and then just you know being here 1333 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,480 ongoing to answer questions as you kind 1334 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,079 of get into it and then obviously the 1335 00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:36,319 feasibility study for the Pine Hill Road 1336 00:51:36,319 --> 00:51:39,790 Station is going to be beginning 1337 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,559 soon. So 1338 00:51:41,559 --> 00:51:43,599 that was kind of the end of what we 1339 00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:46,079 wanted to tell you and we're happy to 1340 00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:48,800 answer questions. Yes. All right. Well, 1341 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,720 I'll recognize Alderman Clay. 1342 00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:55,839 Thank you. I I don't think that it's 1343 00:51:55,839 --> 00:51:58,160 anything that we weren't surprised to 1344 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:03,280 hear. I think um um Chief Buckston and 1345 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:04,800 previous chiefs have been kind of 1346 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,040 telling us that this has been been 1347 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,960 happening and uh something we need to uh 1348 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,119 um address and have needed to address 1349 00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:17,200 for a long time. Um, and those the the 1350 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:18,559 things that you told us at the end 1351 00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:20,720 obviously are something we need to to 1352 00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:23,119 look at first and make our our priority 1353 00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:25,839 and so on. But something that you kept 1354 00:52:25,839 --> 00:52:27,119 talking about, you kept talking about 1355 00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:29,839 parking and and so on. How would you 1356 00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:31,440 address something like parking in a 1357 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,200 place 1358 00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,240 that there's only so much right land. So 1359 00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:39,040 how how would you address something? 1360 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,359 That's a great question. I mean you you 1361 00:52:41,359 --> 00:52:43,200 you're kind of landlocked. Yeah. You 1362 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,359 can't exactly like mow down somebody's 1363 00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:48,000 home just so that you have more parking 1364 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,000 spaces. Yeah. In some instances that's 1365 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,200 true. I mean street parking, right? 1366 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,359 Yeah. Amherst Street and Fire alarm. I 1367 00:52:55,359 --> 00:52:57,040 mean, you're kind of just you deal with 1368 00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,960 with what you can deal with and and 1369 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,599 that's that. Um but in terms of, you 1370 00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:03,839 know, station two Lake Street station or 1371 00:53:03,839 --> 00:53:06,240 station 3 Spit Brook Road, um there are 1372 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:07,680 opportunities for additional parking. 1373 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,920 And so in our planning documents which 1374 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,079 are in the final report, you can see 1375 00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:14,559 where you know we're indicating there is 1376 00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:16,480 additional site area that can 1377 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,240 accommodate sometimes it's just a matter 1378 00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:21,280 of a couple of of parking stalls but um 1379 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,040 there are opportunities at several of 1380 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,359 the stations to accommodate more parking 1381 00:53:25,359 --> 00:53:28,000 but yeah there are there are that are 1382 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,440 not just followup. Yeah thank you. So th 1383 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,520 those four items that you talked about 1384 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,800 like the HVAC and so on roofs. So, so 1385 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,800 within that report, do you actually 1386 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,160 break those down um and kind of talk to 1387 00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:43,760 address those particular things rather 1388 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,400 than the entire 1389 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,880 um wish list? I mean, and I I say wish 1390 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,240 list and I don't mean that it's a wish 1391 00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:52,720 list because in in truth, it's it's 1392 00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:55,359 something that's honestly needed and and 1393 00:53:55,359 --> 00:53:57,280 I don't I'm not belittling anything. 1394 00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,559 Honestly, I'm not um HVAC is important. 1395 00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:02,800 We talked about it here in city hall. 1396 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,720 You know, we we want the firefighters to 1397 00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:06,720 have something more than I want them to 1398 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:07,920 have heat. I want them to have 1399 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,319 everything that that they need. I want 1400 00:54:10,319 --> 00:54:12,720 our I want our equipment not to fall 1401 00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:15,119 through the floor. 1402 00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:17,280 You know, I I want our equipment to to 1403 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,280 be housed. I want our, you know, men and 1404 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,480 women to to have the facilities and so 1405 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,960 on. So, I think Sarah Yeah, she can 1406 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,040 address that directly on the screen 1407 00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,559 here. Yeah. So, tonight we didn't want 1408 00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:30,480 to get too into the details because I 1409 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,240 could go on for many hours. So we kind 1410 00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:34,240 of just want to give you the overview 1411 00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:36,400 but in the the report that's the facil 1412 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,160 so from the FCA there was two primary 1413 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,920 deliverables there was a an executive 1414 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,520 summary report which presented more of 1415 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,760 the uh departmentwide trends and issues 1416 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,119 that we were seeing and more about the 1417 00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:46,880 methodology and then there's the very 1418 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,119 detailed report uh which goes through 1419 00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:50,960 you know system by system within each 1420 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,800 building and describes what type of roof 1421 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,280 it is what we would score it on a one to 1422 00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,920 five scale five being completely failed 1423 00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,680 one is excellent and usually within 1424 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,119 warranty period so there's a lot of 1425 00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:03,760 threes um except station five. There's a 1426 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,079 lot of fours and uh and probably some 1427 00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:08,079 fives. Uh and then those individual 1428 00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:09,599 observed efficiencies, each one that 1429 00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:12,079 meets that threshold of we feel it needs 1430 00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:13,599 to be addressed within a 5-year period 1431 00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:15,640 and has a direct cost of at least 1432 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,079 $5,000. Uh those are written up as this 1433 00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:20,319 page I'm showing here uh as just an 1434 00:55:20,319 --> 00:55:22,079 individual deficiency. So, if you wanted 1435 00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:23,440 to go through and like kind of pick and 1436 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,480 choose just individual spot issues, like 1437 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,000 let's just talk about the boiler and the 1438 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,440 controls at this station, you can look 1439 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:30,960 into that and see a more detailed 1440 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,040 description of the issue and the cost 1441 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,760 related to it. Okay. Did that answer 1442 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,640 your question? Yes, it did. Thank 1443 00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,079 Alderman Solomon, thank you. Um, but 1444 00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:47,599 first a comment. Uh, oh my god. Um, 1445 00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:50,640 which part? Kind of the whole thing. I I 1446 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,160 know that, you know, we're looking at 1447 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:53,400 the 1448 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,319 um that we have a bonding resolution for 1449 00:55:56,319 --> 00:55:58,480 tomorrow night, which I would assume is 1450 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,559 part of this. Yes. Um it's going to 1451 00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:04,079 cross some items off the list. 1452 00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:06,000 Kind of wish we had seen this before we 1453 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,640 started the budget conversation. Um but 1454 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,880 it is what it is. 1455 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,119 If you could, in your professional 1456 00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:17,240 opinion, I'd love to know a letter 1457 00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:20,079 grade across all eight stations and 1458 00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:24,839 facilities that we have. Um, 1459 00:56:24,839 --> 00:56:27,200 just whatever. I mean, you don't have to 1460 00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:28,640 go and, you know, you're a hard grader, 1461 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,000 you're an easy grader. I mean, I don't 1462 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,480 know. I mean, your professional opinion. 1463 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,000 I mean, what do you think the grade of 1464 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,040 our overall NFR facilities are in the 1465 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,960 city of Nashville? It's a solid C. I was 1466 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,359 going to say also a C average. C 1467 00:56:41,359 --> 00:56:43,119 average. Average there, you know. Well, 1468 00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:45,359 C is an average grade. Yeah. So, five, 1469 00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:47,520 you know, station five is particularly 1470 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,119 F. Yeah. Driving. Yes. Um, and then 1471 00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:52,480 other stations like, you know, like I 1472 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,000 highlighted at station uh four, there's 1473 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,760 this significant HVAC issue, but that's 1474 00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,440 a new station. So, you know, the way 1475 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:00,640 it's been planned, the way it's laid 1476 00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,559 out, doesn't need a lot of changing. So, 1477 00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:04,799 although some of them will have a major 1478 00:57:04,799 --> 00:57:06,480 issue that needs to be taken care of, 1479 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,440 overall they're still okay. Um we both 1480 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,599 of our firms do a lot of work related to 1481 00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:13,920 fire and emergency services. So we've 1482 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,960 seen a lot of different fire stations uh 1483 00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,720 a lot in the Pacific Northwest and they 1484 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,960 have a lot of similar issues and you 1485 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,480 know we also do a lot of work just with 1486 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,000 cities and counties and assessing their 1487 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,799 municipal buildings. Nobody ever has the 1488 00:57:28,799 --> 00:57:31,040 money to fund their buildings. You know, 1489 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,319 it's more fun to like build a new 1490 00:57:32,319 --> 00:57:33,440 building, but a lot of times it's 1491 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,599 forgotten about how much effort and time 1492 00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:37,520 and cost it really takes to maintain a 1493 00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,200 building once you have it. It's not like 1494 00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:40,640 maintaining your house. It's a lot more. 1495 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,119 So, it's not an uncommon position to be 1496 00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:45,440 in. Um, even though it is it can seem a 1497 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,680 bit overwhelming. And I I think another 1498 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,160 point, too, is uh the deferred 1499 00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,559 maintenance is is probably the the 1500 00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:55,280 number one item just across the board. I 1501 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,160 think that um and I think part of the 1502 00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:59,680 slide of you know no dedicated 1503 00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,559 maintenance staff. I mean that is a huge 1504 00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:05,400 hindrance because if you were able to 1505 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,160 to maintain all of these facilities from 1506 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,559 when they were built and then you know 1507 00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:12,559 treat them that way through their their 1508 00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:14,720 life cycle then you'd have different 1509 00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,359 stations standing today. Um, some of it 1510 00:58:17,359 --> 00:58:20,000 is as simple as, you know, maybe 15 1511 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,680 years ago you should have replaced the 1512 00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,920 carpet or or maybe it, you know, it's 1513 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,599 like things just start to fail and then 1514 00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:28,160 when you defer maintenance, the overall 1515 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,119 quality of the facility just starts to 1516 00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:34,960 degrade. Um, and Sarah's right. I mean, 1517 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,319 um, the firm that I work for, we've been 1518 00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:40,000 planning and designing fire stations and 1519 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,440 other fire and emergency services 1520 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,319 facilities for 30 years. So, we have 1521 00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:46,799 I've been in a lot of fire stations, a 1522 00:58:46,799 --> 00:58:49,599 lot of them, and you're not unique. It's 1523 00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:52,160 not like when I say a C, you're that's 1524 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,280 bad. It's it's pretty average. And you 1525 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,359 have a lot of older facilities compared 1526 00:58:57,359 --> 00:58:59,040 to, you know, the West Coast where we 1527 00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,559 see a lot more uh newer architecture. 1528 00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:04,960 So, see, and those older facilities, 1529 00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,240 they do, I mean, they come with a lot of 1530 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:07,760 constraints relative to parking, but 1531 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,599 just what you can do for ADA compliance, 1532 00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:11,440 you know, we kind of absolutely there's 1533 00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,559 minimal things you can do. Um, so in in 1534 00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:16,000 some ways, you know, they're you're 1535 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,160 doing your best, but it's it's not 1536 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,040 always going to work. I'm I'm kind of 1537 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,160 smirking because the fire alarm building 1538 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,440 was Lake Street Station engine ladder, 1539 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,880 too, with the crew of six people. So 1540 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,920 that means 12 people at shift change. We 1541 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,880 got by, you know what I mean? There's 1542 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,960 firemen. If there's a will, there's a 1543 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,359 way. That's why we pay them like that. 1544 00:59:41,359 --> 00:59:43,440 I'm going to right now recognize 1545 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,359 director Cummings. He had some. So, 1546 00:59:45,359 --> 00:59:47,520 Alderman Tivido, you're in the queue 1547 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,000 right immediately after. Thank you. That 1548 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,280 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Tim Cummings, 1549 00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:52,960 director of administrative services. I 1550 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,839 did just want to note that um a couple 1551 00:59:55,839 --> 00:59:57,520 months back, we've started a 1552 00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,640 conversation about um enhancing our our 1553 01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,440 facilities department. And so I've been 1554 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,680 before the budget review committee and 1555 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,280 I've been before the personnel and 1556 01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:08,799 administrative 1557 01:00:08,799 --> 01:00:11,599 uh affairs committee and I anticipate a 1558 01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:14,000 continuing conversation with an idea of 1559 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,680 us increasing our asset management, our 1560 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,280 stewardship of our capital uh buildings. 1561 01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,799 We need to maintain them in a in a more 1562 01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:27,359 strategic way because it will save us 1563 01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:30,160 money in the long run. Um, great picture 1564 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,000 that was shown at the kickoff of this 1565 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,079 presentation was the drains not 1566 01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:36,960 connected at the firehouse. Um, you 1567 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,760 know, if the goal that I've aspoused is 1568 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,920 I'd like to get a maintenance team in 1569 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,359 and around uh our our city buildings, 1570 01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:48,319 including fire, to to steward those 1571 01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:50,079 buildings and the systems the way they 1572 01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:52,240 should be because if we can squeak more 1573 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,480 life out of our systems, it will it will 1574 01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,559 save us money in in the long run. And 1575 01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:59,839 so, um, I say that because I I I I 1576 01:00:59,839 --> 01:01:02,559 recognize the need, um, and I believe 1577 01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:04,640 we're working towards a solution. It's 1578 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,079 not happening as quickly as I would 1579 01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:08,400 like, but, um, I brought this up at a 1580 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,040 couple of the, uh, my budget 1581 01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,359 presentations. Um, more recently at at 1582 01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:15,680 uh, my last buildings and grounds, uh, 1583 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,200 uh, seeking approval on that 1584 01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,920 department's budget. But I'm hoping um 1585 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,359 you know come FY27 in our next budget, 1586 01:01:23,359 --> 01:01:26,640 we will have uh you know a better baked 1587 01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,119 plan that everyone buys into so we're 1588 01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:30,960 we're handling these buildings in a more 1589 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,599 efficient 1590 01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:35,359 way. Can we go back to that recommended 1591 01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:37,599 slide because I just want to just 1592 01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:40,160 quickly address a couple of the items 1593 01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,799 that were raised as priority projects. 1594 01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:46,799 So Yep. So, so, um, it was noted a few 1595 01:01:46,799 --> 01:01:48,640 minutes ago, um, there is a bond 1596 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,079 resolution up, I believe, tomorrow 1597 01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:51,599 night, that's going to actually address 1598 01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:55,119 item number two. Um, and then I believe 1599 01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:57,920 also anticipated with that is some HVAC 1600 01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,079 work as well. So, priorities one and 1601 01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:03,599 two, we're starting um, uh, developing a 1602 01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:05,200 pathway forward. So, we're managing 1603 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,000 these assets and then, you know, as as 1604 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,520 noted, we actually have money 1605 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,680 appropriated, set aside. I believe we 1606 01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,000 will be, you know, kicking into higher 1607 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,559 gear the the feasibility study come this 1608 01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:19,280 summer with it anticipated ending in and 1609 01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,319 around January. My thought process at 1610 01:02:22,319 --> 01:02:24,160 that time is and this is all subject to 1611 01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,720 change is then we would be seeking you 1612 01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,640 know an appropriation a bond resolution 1613 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,520 for design and we would start designing 1614 01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,920 uh the Pine Hill station. Um once we 1615 01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,680 have that understood better then we 1616 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,680 would obviously seek uh approval for 1617 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:43,040 construction. Uh this is all baked into 1618 01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,359 the overall comprehensive conversation 1619 01:02:45,359 --> 01:02:47,760 that we've been having as a community 1620 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,400 about what our appropriate level of debt 1621 01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,520 service should be and making sure these 1622 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,680 uh various projects fit within our 1623 01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,640 capital plan. Um, I think after 1624 01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,680 tonight's conversation, um, we owe it to 1625 01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,599 to to this body and to the fire 1626 01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:06,400 commissioners to to internally discuss 1627 01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,880 how we fit the puzzle pieces together, 1628 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,760 knowing the policy directive has been 1629 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,760 that the city of Nasha doesn't want to 1630 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,799 authorize any more new debt than about 1631 01:03:16,799 --> 01:03:18,559 uh, approximately $20 million 1632 01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:21,119 year-over-year over the next five years. 1633 01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:23,599 So knowing that, how do we make that 1634 01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:25,839 work with uh the needs that the fire 1635 01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:27,599 department have as well as all the other 1636 01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:30,799 needs of the of the city um and and and 1637 01:03:30,799 --> 01:03:32,720 that's that's very much forefront in in 1638 01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,559 my mind and one of the reasons why I 1639 01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:36,319 wanted to kind of start that 1640 01:03:36,319 --> 01:03:39,599 conversation this evening. Thank you, 1641 01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:41,319 Almano. 1642 01:03:41,319 --> 01:03:44,880 Um so I I understand that it was it's a 1643 01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:49,280 u you know not a a firm number. Um but 1644 01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,520 you your estimation was 1645 01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,039 102 million if I remember correctly that 1646 01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:57,839 included the escalator. 1647 01:03:57,839 --> 01:04:01,599 Yes that um information is for uh new 1648 01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:04,720 facilities only. It does not include the 1649 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:08,559 remodels. And so that it basically it's 1650 01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:10,760 a range 1651 01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,839 of I guess let me back up a little bit 1652 01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:15,119 um because I feel like maybe it's 1653 01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:17,839 addressing um multiple questions or 1654 01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:20,960 comments here. Um this information is 1655 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,359 essentially a menu. you know, it's it's 1656 01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:26,799 for it's for you to to consider and take 1657 01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:30,720 our professional opinion and the data um 1658 01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,799 and the needs assessment and then pick 1659 01:04:32,799 --> 01:04:35,359 and choose what is of most importance to 1660 01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:37,359 the city and the fire department. So, 1661 01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:39,119 that's why I'm saying like big millions. 1662 01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:40,799 It's make believe like it doesn't 1663 01:04:40,799 --> 01:04:43,039 nobody's going to get 100 million or 150 1664 01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:45,440 million to do anything ever. But this is 1665 01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,160 just the information that it puts a 1666 01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,079 period at the end of the report that 1667 01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:52,160 says the these are all of your 1668 01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,319 opportunities and deficiencies both from 1669 01:04:54,319 --> 01:04:56,640 a building standpoint, infrastructure 1670 01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:00,240 systems and programmatic um relative to 1671 01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,640 industry best practices. So this is sort 1672 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,359 of the this is the answer that everybody 1673 01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:07,520 gets at every meeting that we have like 1674 01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,920 this at the end of a project. It's these 1675 01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,520 kinds of numbers. I mean, some of them 1676 01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,440 are like 200, $300 million because 1677 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:16,720 you're just talking all in if we were 1678 01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,720 going to do everything. But I just want 1679 01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,200 to stress that these numbers are just 1680 01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,119 representative of every single thing 1681 01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:25,599 that we've asked and we've heard that 1682 01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:27,599 we're needed or doesn't work and needs 1683 01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:30,559 to be fixed or replaced. So, the numbers 1684 01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:32,000 aren't real. I don't want to say the 1685 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,400 numbers aren't important, but the 1686 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,400 numbers don't really mean anything until 1687 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,480 you actually make them a project. Say 1688 01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,319 that again. 1689 01:05:40,319 --> 01:05:42,480 The numbers don't really matter. They 1690 01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,240 only matter when you choose to make it a 1691 01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,079 project. I I can't stress that point 1692 01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:48,480 enough. I'm I'm very uncomfortable with 1693 01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,400 some of these numbers because we latch 1694 01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,799 on to them and then this is the number 1695 01:05:52,799 --> 01:05:55,839 that I you know, you say to me, "Oh, 1696 01:05:55,839 --> 01:05:57,039 we're going to do the project for this 1697 01:05:57,039 --> 01:05:58,319 amount." I'm going to tell you right 1698 01:05:58,319 --> 01:06:00,640 now, we are not doing a new station 1699 01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:04,559 number five for $30 million. Just I I 1700 01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:06,079 hate to say it, but we can't do anything 1701 01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:08,640 for $30 million for new construction. 1702 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,400 That's just the reality of our 1703 01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,200 marketplace. Um there's a lot that needs 1704 01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,680 to be further designed and figured out 1705 01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,599 before we hone in on the number, but I 1706 01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:19,839 would say that that is uh that is a good 1707 01:06:19,839 --> 01:06:21,359 jumping off point that to set 1708 01:06:21,359 --> 01:06:22,799 expectations. It's not going to be 1709 01:06:22,799 --> 01:06:24,720 anything lower than this. And that's 1710 01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,640 just what we need to kind of understand, 1711 01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,799 right? And that's it just really is the 1712 01:06:28,799 --> 01:06:31,280 it's the culmination of all of the 1713 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,000 information that we've been able to 1714 01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:37,119 process. So it go ahead. 1715 01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:40,000 followup. Yeah. So, that kind of 1716 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,640 answered where I was heading. So, and I 1717 01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,119 and I get it. So, my my point was going 1718 01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:48,400 to be if we're talking 102 that had your 1719 01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:52,880 uh combined 12 escalator in there. Um 1720 01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,359 the escalator is included. Everything 1721 01:06:55,359 --> 01:06:57,200 that is included. Yeah, absolutely 1722 01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:58,880 correct. And that it's two years of 1723 01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,760 escalation, so it's an it's 9% which of 1724 01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,079 course we can adjust. Understood. Um, my 1725 01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:05,359 point was going to be that director 1726 01:07:05,359 --> 01:07:07,079 Cummings 1727 01:07:07,079 --> 01:07:09,200 was suggested that it's probably gonna 1728 01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:13,839 be 25 to 30% on top of that. Um, and now 1729 01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:16,559 that this isn't even the full lot, I 1730 01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:17,839 guess I didn't pick up on that. That 1731 01:07:17,839 --> 01:07:19,760 that was just the new items. So, if we 1732 01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,720 went with um from the menu and picked 1733 01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,559 all our favorite flavors of all the menu 1734 01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:26,319 items, I mean, we're probably talking 1735 01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:29,319 almost $400 million. 1736 01:07:29,319 --> 01:07:32,480 Well, I Yeah, I I mean I got we have got 1737 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,079 to talk because I don't know where 1738 01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:35,760 you're getting your numbers and you 1739 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:37,039 don't know where I'm getting my like I 1740 01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:40,160 but I do I really I'm very curious about 1741 01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:41,440 and and that's kind of what I was 1742 01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,400 looking for was just all right are we 1743 01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,640 talking you know I get it big numbers I 1744 01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,039 get it um 1745 01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:50,640 but if there was any conversations that 1746 01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,200 have happened that you know if we really 1747 01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,480 want the best of what's on the menu you 1748 01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,960 know are we approaching the 300, the 1749 01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,680 250, the 1750 01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,599 400 ballpark. His answer is going to be 1751 01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:05,520 yes and mine's going to be no. Yeah. I 1752 01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:07,520 mean, it really depends. It really 1753 01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:11,680 depends. I mean, it's so amorphous at 1754 01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:12,799 this point because there's so many 1755 01:08:12,799 --> 01:08:16,319 details that need to be worked out. Um, 1756 01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:19,040 and I don't know enough yet to comment 1757 01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,679 more than that, but I mean I I I tend to 1758 01:08:21,679 --> 01:08:23,600 shy away from commenting on deferred 1759 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,600 capital maintenance this whole side of 1760 01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,839 the ledger because this is this is 1761 01:08:27,839 --> 01:08:30,080 really specific and really complicated 1762 01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,400 the new construction. I I feel much more 1763 01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,719 confident talking about I mean and I 1764 01:08:34,719 --> 01:08:37,679 don't know what square footage and we we 1765 01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:40,319 could just go back to, you know, you 1766 01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:41,839 know, station number five, the new 1767 01:08:41,839 --> 01:08:44,239 station number five at $30 million. I 1768 01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:45,920 don't know what they're projecting for 1769 01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,080 square footage, right? And then what? 1770 01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:52,759 25,000. So 25,000 square feet and you're 1771 01:08:52,759 --> 01:08:55,199 projecting what for per square foot? 1772 01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:58,080 $500ish 1773 01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,199 for fire stations. We're like seven. And 1774 01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:02,400 I'm going to tell you right now, we're a 1775 01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,319 thousand. Yeah. So that's just a jumping 1776 01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:05,679 off point. And that's hard construction 1777 01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:08,000 without even talking about soft cost. So 1778 01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,640 at 25,000 square feet right there, 1779 01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,880 you're going to be at $25 million. and 1780 01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,319 I'm going to tell you to add another 10 1781 01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,480 for soft cost on top. That puts you at 1782 01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:18,719 35 million. That's just the ball game 1783 01:09:18,719 --> 01:09:21,120 that we're talking about. So, we we kind 1784 01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:22,480 of need to talk through the details a 1785 01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:24,480 little bit more, but that's that's just 1786 01:09:24,480 --> 01:09:26,560 our market. 1787 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,799 And it's 10% cheaper here in New England 1788 01:09:28,799 --> 01:09:32,400 than it is on the West Coast. That's 1789 01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:35,199 it's wild. Yeah. 1790 01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:39,359 Okay. Uh Chief Buckton. 1791 01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:41,279 Yeah. I'd like to uh Steve Buckton 1792 01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:43,600 National Fire. I'd like to uh thanks 1793 01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,279 thank them for their work. Uh it's a 1794 01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:46,960 great presentation as you can see it's 1795 01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,440 very comprehensive and this is just kind 1796 01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:52,080 of an a high level view for you tonight. 1797 01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:53,920 Uh Adam's going to be the one that's 1798 01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,760 driving this uh within our 1799 01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,840 organization. Um you know this was 1800 01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:01,360 kicked off because of master plan that 1801 01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,760 we invested in for the fire department 1802 01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,600 that laid things out for approximately 1803 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:09,040 10 to 15 years. Uh we've done three of 1804 01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,040 those at Nashville Fire throughout the 1805 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:12,400 years. They're all stacked up on the 1806 01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,159 bookshelf in there. Some of them were 1807 01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:16,640 done and they went on the bookshelf and 1808 01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,000 really not a whole lot ever happened 1809 01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,960 with them. I'm proud to say this master 1810 01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,880 plan that we did in 2021 and this 1811 01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,920 strategic plan um I have in my office 1812 01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,520 chief roads before me uh myself and we 1813 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,440 go through and we update it uh when 1814 01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:34,719 we're checking boxes off. This facility 1815 01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:37,280 study was laid out in there to be done. 1816 01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,440 This is just another roadmap for us to 1817 01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:42,320 follow into the future. Uh I agree with 1818 01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,320 uh Director Cummings, you know, don't I 1819 01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:45,600 don't want to say don't get hung up on 1820 01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,600 the cost, but until we actually turn it 1821 01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,480 into a project, um that's where we we 1822 01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:53,120 come looking for money. And I think the 1823 01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:54,960 fire department does a really good job 1824 01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,000 uh of working with uh the members of the 1825 01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,239 board of alderman, the mayor uh to find 1826 01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:02,800 our place in line, so to speak. Uh we 1827 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,040 recognize the pie is only so big. So, 1828 01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,360 you know, $100 million is is a really 1829 01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,520 big pie, really big piece of the pie. 1830 01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,000 Um, and at the end of the day, um, 1831 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:13,600 somebody has to manage all this within 1832 01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,600 our organization. And that guy right 1833 01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,760 down there, he does a really good job, 1834 01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,560 but facilities is just one one part of 1835 01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,760 his area of responsibility. So, if you 1836 01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,199 let me walk out of here tonight with 1837 01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:28,560 $100 million to attack all this, we we 1838 01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,000 we don't have the bandwidth to 1839 01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,199 accomplish it at that. 1840 01:11:33,199 --> 01:11:36,239 Yeah. So, but as as you heard, the 1841 01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:38,960 priority items are already on the radar. 1842 01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,600 Uh, and I'll be back here tomorrow night 1843 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,840 uh to uh speak to the bonds that we're 1844 01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,000 looking to get work started. So, thank 1845 01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,199 you. Yeah, I would like to say thank 1846 01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:50,840 you, Chief. 1847 01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,600 Um, in my involvement with the 1848 01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,679 department of over, you know, for 35 1849 01:11:56,679 --> 01:11:59,360 years, a lot of these stations weren't 1850 01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,040 built. We have two that are fairly 1851 01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:05,440 modern and even they have some problems 1852 01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:08,040 you know due to uh lack of uh 1853 01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:11,800 maintenance and everything but 1854 01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,360 uh a lot of these are very old 1855 01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,920 structures the 1856 01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,080 uh I don't know the ethic or the new way 1857 01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,040 of the fire service has changed you know 1858 01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,840 we got rid of the horses years ago you 1859 01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:29,280 know so we have motorized apparatus so 1860 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,640 stations can be farther apart because 1861 01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,640 horses don't have to run that far 1862 01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:38,080 anymore, you know, and uh you know, we 1863 01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,159 actually invented the toilet. So, you 1864 01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:43,440 know, things are working out good. But 1865 01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:46,960 the thing is, the main thing is, and you 1866 01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,360 you guys are on the infrastructure 1867 01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,840 committee, you've seen it here before, 1868 01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,159 past boards 1869 01:12:54,159 --> 01:12:57,199 ignored a lot of this problems. Engine 5 1870 01:12:57,199 --> 01:12:58,920 was built in 1871 01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:03,320 1961. It was built cheaply in 1872 01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,480 1961. You know, construction is good. 1873 01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:09,280 The place hasn't fall down, but it's 1874 01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,719 small, cramped, everything. Uh I was 1875 01:13:12,719 --> 01:13:15,600 captain of the house there. The guys are 1876 01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,880 working out on the same floor that the 1877 01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,880 truck is on. And when the truck starts 1878 01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,520 off, you do get some 1879 01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,800 byproducts of the combustion of the 1880 01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,239 engine, you know, and it 1881 01:13:27,239 --> 01:13:31,360 stays in there. And uh I don't know, 1882 01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,360 Chief Pullard, did you take him to the 1883 01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:37,600 former Crown Hill station? Did not. Can 1884 01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,760 you please, cuz I was captain of the 1885 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:43,040 house there, please look at that. You 1886 01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:46,120 know, I mean, you will say they lived 1887 01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,960 here cuz I went there and worked there 1888 01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,000 and said, 1889 01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:54,320 "God, it was bad." My first night at 1890 01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,440 Lake Street Station, 1891 01:13:57,440 --> 01:13:59,199 uh, I slept there. It was in the middle 1892 01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:01,920 of winter time and I I couldn't sleep 1893 01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,640 because the shades the wind was coming 1894 01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,120 right through the window and the shades 1895 01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,920 flipping in the breeze all night. And 1896 01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,480 that just didn't happen the day before. 1897 01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:15,040 It's the years of neglect until finally 1898 01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,520 they got somebody to do this. We got to 1899 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,000 as a city, and I'm saying this overview, 1900 01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:21,920 not just the fire department, but every 1901 01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,560 single facility. Look at we almost have 1902 01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,440 two parking garages that could collapse, 1903 01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:30,320 but we're working to, you know, smartly 1904 01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,040 so, and I compliment the mayor and and 1905 01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,360 uh director Cummings for prioritizing 1906 01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,520 some of these things. I know it's going 1907 01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,960 to cost the taxpayers some money, but 1908 01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,679 it's their buildings and they look at us 1909 01:14:43,679 --> 01:14:45,679 to try to maintain them the best way 1910 01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:48,080 that we can. And out of all the 1911 01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,239 facilities that we have, the one thing 1912 01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:52,640 to remember with the fire department, 1913 01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,520 people live in them. 1914 01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,679 They leave their nice cushy homes and 1915 01:14:57,679 --> 01:15:00,159 their lazy boys at home and they go to 1916 01:15:00,159 --> 01:15:03,600 the fire station, you know. So the 1917 01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,760 facilities the particularly the male 1918 01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,480 facilities and everything else like that 1919 01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:10,719 and now in the fire service they have 1920 01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:12,679 come out with right chief with more 1921 01:15:12,679 --> 01:15:15,679 rules of contamination. When I started 1922 01:15:15,679 --> 01:15:18,159 they gave you one fire coat and if it 1923 01:15:18,159 --> 01:15:19,840 got wet at the fire and you were going 1924 01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:23,239 out to your second one you wore the wet 1925 01:15:23,239 --> 01:15:25,840 coat. It's the way it was. We were 1926 01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:29,239 tougher back then, but anyways, you 1927 01:15:29,239 --> 01:15:32,000 know, not like today, but I don't want 1928 01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,520 to get it cheap, but it was the way it 1929 01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:36,960 was because the city don't want to buy 1930 01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,640 and they think now what we're buying two 1931 01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,199 sets of gear and we have to meet the 1932 01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:43,280 standards of the NFPA and everything. 1933 01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:46,840 So, uh, as far as the living 1934 01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:51,159 facilities, you know, I think we as a 1935 01:15:51,159 --> 01:15:54,239 committee, if we focus, this is a lot, 1936 01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:57,440 and I'm sure, and you stated that, I 1937 01:15:57,440 --> 01:15:59,040 don't think we have to bite it off in 1938 01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,760 one bite and chew it. You know, I think 1939 01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,080 what we need to do as a committee is sit 1940 01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,159 down with Chief Bucks, Director 1941 01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:09,640 Cummings, and Chief Pullard and try to 1942 01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,560 prioritize this. And I'm thinking we're 1943 01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,880 talking the bond tomorrow night. And I 1944 01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,120 think that's a good launching point to 1945 01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,120 see if we're going to support this to 1946 01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,840 see if we can mitigate the Pine Hill 1947 01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,760 Station. But I see this as a long-term 1948 01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:30,000 project. Uh this could take us 1949 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,000 unfortunately as what we did with the 1950 01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,159 schools. We didn't build all the new 1951 01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:36,800 school facilities in one year. We did it 1952 01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,600 in the long term, you know, and we'll 1953 01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,159 have to watch the bonds the way things 1954 01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:44,320 are now happening with the economy and 1955 01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,000 everything and we'll have to go with the 1956 01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,880 advice of uh Miss Enright and other 1957 01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:52,960 people that know more about it. I don't 1958 01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,199 even do the checkbook at home so I can't 1959 01:16:55,199 --> 01:16:59,120 tell you. So, but anyways, uh I made the 1960 01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:02,480 money. The wife does it out. You know, I 1961 01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:04,560 stretched the line. She stretched the 1962 01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,719 the checkbook, you know what I mean? But 1963 01:17:07,719 --> 01:17:11,040 uh uh we'll have to, you know, just take 1964 01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:12,880 this in little bites and try to get it, 1965 01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:14,400 you know, the important things and 1966 01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,320 prioritize. Maybe we might be able to do 1967 01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,840 a roof a year or something like that and 1968 01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,719 you know, and take it value. And uh I 1969 01:17:22,719 --> 01:17:24,480 think what Director Cummings is saying, 1970 01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:26,640 I'm very interested and I've said it for 1971 01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,679 years from the beginning. Uh part of the 1972 01:17:29,679 --> 01:17:31,440 fire department budget is going out and 1973 01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:33,840 buying lawnmowers and everything else 1974 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:37,040 like that to take care of the grounds 1975 01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,520 and you know plowing and sometimes we 1976 01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:41,679 need to help a DPW in some of the 1977 01:17:41,679 --> 01:17:44,360 stations to get rid of the big pile of 1978 01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:48,440 snow so that the drivers can see 1979 01:17:48,440 --> 01:17:51,120 access and vacating the building and not 1980 01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,840 cutting out in the middle of traffic. So 1981 01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,760 you know they need help with a lot of 1982 01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:57,679 these things. So, as we go in the 1983 01:17:57,679 --> 01:18:00,000 future, we'll take the small bites, I'm 1984 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:04,239 hoping, and uh try to prioritize what we 1985 01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:06,000 need to do, and we're going to look at 1986 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,640 you, chief, to come up with uh your list 1987 01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:09,800 of 1988 01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,880 priority priorities and uh we can 1989 01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:16,320 mitigate that. And uh Chief Pullard, 1990 01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,239 please take them to the former Crown 1991 01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:20,560 Hill station. 1992 01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:21,760 probably doesn't look much different 1993 01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:26,640 than Oh, I I had a mayor come in and 1994 01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:29,159 showed him when I was captain of the 1995 01:18:29,159 --> 01:18:32,080 facility and he says, "I'm sorry you 1996 01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:33,920 guys have to live like this and I'm 1997 01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,800 going like, you know, but you worked 1998 01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,120 there, Chief Bucks." Yeah. So, those 1999 01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:42,080 were the good days, you know. So, I'm 2000 01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,320 I'm glad we're on the right course and I 2001 01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,120 thank you for your presentation. 2002 01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:50,400 I'll have to ask uh what you presented 2003 01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:53,040 on the screen. Can we get a copy? Yeah, 2004 01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,440 I've asked I've asked Yeah, director 2005 01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:57,520 Cummings. All right. Because then we'll 2006 01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,880 put that as part of the uh minutes, the 2007 01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,360 minutes and everything. Is everybody 2008 01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,709 satisfied with their questions or 2009 01:19:07,719 --> 01:19:10,480 comments? No, I think we're good. So, 2010 01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:12,880 we'll move along on the agenda. Thank 2011 01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,360 you, Chief and Company. Thank you. And 2012 01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,080 it was good seeing you guys again. Thank 2013 01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:31,189 you. Thank you. 2014 01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:33,600 We can probably go on while they're 2015 01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,159 vacating. They don't seem like to be a 2016 01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:39,520 noisy group, so we can go on. 2017 01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:41,840 communications. 2018 01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:43,679 Uh, when are you guys heading back to 2019 01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:46,159 Seattle? Tomorrow. Tomorrow morning. Oh, 2020 01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:48,080 let's go to Reno tomorrow. Just like at 2021 01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:51,350 home. 2022 01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:55,910 All righty. Thank you again. 2023 01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:59,760 All right. Uh, communications 2024 01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:00,920 from Sam 2025 01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:03,920 Dery, planning manager. Referral from 2026 01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:05,840 the board of alderman on resolutions 2027 01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:09,149 R25159. 2028 01:20:09,159 --> 01:20:11,320 R25160, 2029 01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,560 R25161, 2030 01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,159 R25166, and the amended petition for 2031 01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:17,840 street discontinuence regarding a 2032 01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,400 portion of Veterans Memorial Parkway. 2033 01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:22,320 Okay, there being no objection, I'll 2034 01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:24,960 accept the communication and place it on 2035 01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,440 file. Unfinished business, there is 2036 01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:31,400 none. New business resolutions. 2037 01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:35,199 R25156 authorizing the sale of taxdeed 2038 01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:39,229 property located at 2039 01:20:39,239 --> 01:20:42,719 115-117 West Hollis Street. Um, Mr. 2040 01:20:42,719 --> 01:20:44,920 Chairman, I motion to recommend 2041 01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:48,239 approval. Final approval. 2042 01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:50,640 Final passage. Sorry, final passage. 2043 01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:52,480 Very good. Uh, director, you could have 2044 01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:55,040 a seat if you wish or you're fine there 2045 01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:56,960 at the Diaz. I anticipate a more 2046 01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,280 transient visit, but that's okay. 2047 01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:00,800 Well, 2048 01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:08,790 Mr. Chair, I'm joking. 2049 01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,920 Mr. Chair, may I? Yes, you may, please. 2050 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:13,440 Uh, good evening. For the record, Matt 2051 01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:14,800 Sullivan, community development division 2052 01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:16,880 director for the city of Nshawa. Uh, 2053 01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:21,040 here on behalf of R251 156, authorizing 2054 01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,520 the sale of taxdeed property located at 2055 01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:26,960 115 through 117 West Hall Street. Uh 2056 01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:28,800 before I get into the substance of the 2057 01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:30,560 legislation, which is albeit fairly 2058 01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:33,600 brief in in the number of words, um I 2059 01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:34,800 want to just note for the record that 2060 01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:36,800 this address may be familiar to some of 2061 01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:38,560 you uh sitting around the horseshoe this 2062 01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:40,400 evening. This was actually part of a 2063 01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:41,760 previous piece of legislation through 2064 01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:43,360 the tax deeding process, but I'm going 2065 01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:45,679 to give you a brief history and then 2066 01:21:45,679 --> 01:21:47,199 talk about what this legislation does 2067 01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:49,760 moving forward. U the property itself, 2068 01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,080 115 through 117 West Hall Street, is 2069 01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,000 located on West Hall Street. It's a a 2070 01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:55,760 2-unit building currently with a parking 2071 01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:57,280 area and a garage in the rear of the 2072 01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:01,280 site. It's approximately 28.29 acres in 2073 01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:04,560 size. Uh and was actually on April 21st 2074 01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,800 of 2023 uh taken by the city of 2075 01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:08,719 Nashville via the taxing process that I 2076 01:22:08,719 --> 01:22:10,639 think you're all familiar with. Uh 2077 01:22:10,639 --> 01:22:12,480 subsequently as part of that process in 2078 01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:14,560 September of 2023 2079 01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:16,719 uh via an auction process or the the 2080 01:22:16,719 --> 01:22:18,400 city rather authorized an auction 2081 01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,159 process which is of course customary to 2082 01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:22,159 these properties. Subsequently on 2083 01:22:22,159 --> 01:22:24,639 October 7th of 2023, 2084 01:22:24,639 --> 01:22:27,920 um the property was in fact auctioned, 2085 01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:29,840 but over the course of uh the coming 2086 01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,480 weeks and months, ultimately the buyer 2087 01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:34,400 chose not to close on the property. As 2088 01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,000 part of that, they actually forfeited a 2089 01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,320 $10,000 deposit, but ultimately the 2090 01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:39,840 property was not closed upon and 2091 01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:41,520 therefore the city has remained or 2092 01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:43,120 rather the property has remained in the 2093 01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:44,800 city's care over the course of time 2094 01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,840 since then. Subsequently, as part of uh 2095 01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,320 what I would call strategic discussions 2096 01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:51,840 between the city's land use leadership 2097 01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:53,600 team and the tax collection leadership 2098 01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,960 team, um we had some conversations about 2099 01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:58,480 this property in the context of the 2100 01:22:58,480 --> 01:23:00,000 city's affordable housing and housing 2101 01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,159 needs more generally. And admittedly, 2102 01:23:02,159 --> 01:23:04,560 we've been having uh conversations in a 2103 01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:06,000 variety of different ways around 2104 01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:07,280 properties like this, particularly 2105 01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,760 multifamily or duplex properties that 2106 01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,639 may for one reason or another uh be a 2107 01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:14,239 small step forward or an incremental 2108 01:23:14,239 --> 01:23:15,679 step forward in solving some of the 2109 01:23:15,679 --> 01:23:17,920 city's affordable housing challenges and 2110 01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:20,239 crisis. And particularly we've looked at 2111 01:23:20,239 --> 01:23:22,560 these properties in the context of uh a 2112 01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,400 section of state statute that allows the 2113 01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,639 city to dispose of properties through an 2114 01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:29,280 alternative method if in fact 2115 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:30,719 disposition through an alternative 2116 01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:32,639 method meets a public interest or a 2117 01:23:32,639 --> 01:23:35,360 public purpose. Uh and it's been our uh 2118 01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:36,960 conversation internally at least and I 2119 01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:38,560 think that's why we're here this evening 2120 01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:40,560 that solving or incrementally working 2121 01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,639 towards bettering the city's affordable 2122 01:23:42,639 --> 01:23:44,880 housing challenges is in fact a public 2123 01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:46,400 purpose and in the public's interest. 2124 01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,639 And therefore, uh, we've brought forward 2125 01:23:48,639 --> 01:23:50,639 the legislation tonight to actually 2126 01:23:50,639 --> 01:23:52,239 through an alternative disposition 2127 01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:55,280 process put 115 117 West Hollister 2128 01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:56,480 Street out through a request for 2129 01:23:56,480 --> 01:23:58,639 proposal process. This will be familiar 2130 01:23:58,639 --> 01:24:00,320 to you in particular you Alderman Tibido 2131 01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,320 going recently through um, of course the 2132 01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,159 Elm Street process. This is a much 2133 01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:05,679 smaller scale. This is a very small 2134 01:24:05,679 --> 01:24:07,760 property. it's a two-unit property, but 2135 01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:09,199 ultimately the goal is the same, and 2136 01:24:09,199 --> 01:24:11,520 that is to put out an RFP likely to a 2137 01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,360 very small developer that owns 2138 01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,520 properties of this size, uh, or perhaps 2139 01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:17,199 even an area nonprofit that works on 2140 01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:19,199 affordable housing. We would solicit 2141 01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:20,719 proposals into the city. There would be 2142 01:24:20,719 --> 01:24:22,159 a review team. We would ultimately go 2143 01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:24,080 through the selection process, but the 2144 01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:25,760 idea would in fact be to see an 2145 01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:27,440 affordable housing proposal for this 2146 01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:29,000 site at 115 and 2147 01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,000 117. Um, therefore, the legislation in 2148 01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:33,679 front of you, just to overview, does a 2149 01:24:33,679 --> 01:24:36,000 couple of different things. One, it 2150 01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,159 authorizes the city to dispose of the 2151 01:24:38,159 --> 01:24:40,159 property through an alternative method 2152 01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:41,440 that is typically used, which is 2153 01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:43,080 typically the sealed bid and auction 2154 01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:45,679 process. In replacement, it allows us to 2155 01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:47,440 go through an RFP process and put this 2156 01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:49,199 this property out to the public and 2157 01:24:49,199 --> 01:24:51,920 development community to respond to. And 2158 01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,719 then lastly, it of course authorizes the 2159 01:24:54,719 --> 01:24:56,480 mayor to enter into a purchase and sale 2160 01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:58,480 negotiation and to ultimately sell the 2161 01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:00,800 property to an affordable housing entity 2162 01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:02,639 that will uh convert the property 2163 01:25:02,639 --> 01:25:04,080 whether through demolition of the 2164 01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:05,600 current structure or redevelopment of 2165 01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:07,600 the site uh or redevelopment of the 2166 01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,920 current structure that exists there. Um 2167 01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:11,600 again, this is all underpinned and this 2168 01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,000 is laid out in the legislation before 2169 01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,760 you by the idea that affordable housing 2170 01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:17,520 and housing creation and affordable 2171 01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,520 housing preservation is in the public's 2172 01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:20,719 interest. And that's why we're bringing 2173 01:25:20,719 --> 01:25:22,480 this forward to you this evening. Happy 2174 01:25:22,480 --> 01:25:23,840 to answer any questions that you might 2175 01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:26,080 have, but look forward to working on not 2176 01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:27,840 only this property, but potentially 2177 01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:29,280 other smallcale properties that are 2178 01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:30,960 taken through the tax deeding process to 2179 01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,040 hopefully uh better the city's efforts 2180 01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:34,560 towards creating affordable housing. 2181 01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:38,000 Thank you. Thank you, Alderman Clay. 2182 01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,080 Thank you. Um Mr. chairman. 2183 01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:45,199 Um I guess the question that I have is 2184 01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:48,880 does this mean that this sale can happen 2185 01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:52,719 without the city having to recoup the 2186 01:25:52,719 --> 01:25:59,199 back taxes or any of the the loss of 2187 01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:01,520 um cost of of all of this? And the 2188 01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:05,120 reason I'm asking about this is that for 2189 01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:09,440 complete transparency, I will um I I 2190 01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:10,880 don't know if I had this conversation 2191 01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,280 with you or I know I had it with 2192 01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,679 somebody within the city. Um I was 2193 01:26:15,679 --> 01:26:18,080 approached um and I'm not going to say 2194 01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:22,639 by who. um by an entity that was um 2195 01:26:22,639 --> 01:26:26,320 asked if I would try to shepherd um a 2196 01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:30,239 almost a donation of this property um to 2197 01:26:30,239 --> 01:26:34,360 an entity um that wanted to 2198 01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:37,679 um build homes something similar to 2199 01:26:37,679 --> 01:26:41,120 this. And um in in looking into this, I 2200 01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,840 I think I spoke to Miss Enright and you 2201 01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,320 know the the whole process was this was 2202 01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:49,000 not allowed and I said it would be for 2203 01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:51,679 the public good and I kind of looked at 2204 01:26:51,679 --> 01:26:54,159 that one particular process and the 2205 01:26:54,159 --> 01:26:55,920 whole thing was that no the city had to 2206 01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,880 recoup it and and so on. So I kind of 2207 01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,440 went through all this whole thing. Um 2208 01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:03,920 the the person said oh no you know I'm 2209 01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:06,400 willing to try to do money and and so 2210 01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,880 on. I'm gonna be on. It was not a a 2211 01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:10,760 private person. It was a an 2212 01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:13,679 organization. So, but I don't want to 2213 01:27:13,679 --> 01:27:17,360 give the name and so on. Sure. Um, so 2214 01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:20,000 that's why I'm asking this question. So, 2215 01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:21,679 certainly, Mr. Chair, I I'll respond to 2216 01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:24,280 that if you're comfortable. Um, so 2217 01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:27,280 the the statute contemplates a few 2218 01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:29,520 different modifications to the rules and 2219 01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:31,280 and I'll ref I'll reference the two that 2220 01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:33,600 you're referring to, uh, Alderwoman Cle. 2221 01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:36,400 one being the the payment of back taxes 2222 01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:37,840 and what's owed to the city and the 2223 01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,639 other being the idea of disposing to the 2224 01:27:40,639 --> 01:27:43,280 of the property through a a reasonable 2225 01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:45,199 uh fair market value. Right. That's the 2226 01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:47,120 other contemplation of the statute and 2227 01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,520 and like you've like you've said we have 2228 01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:51,760 had inquiries from several entities uh 2229 01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:53,760 interested in in this property whether 2230 01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:55,280 for affordable housing, market rate 2231 01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,760 housing or even other uses. And so 2232 01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,520 there's no secret that we've had those 2233 01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:02,000 those inquiries. 2234 01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:05,520 What the use of an alternative process 2235 01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:09,719 or disposal process does is it does 2236 01:28:09,719 --> 01:28:14,239 modify albeit indirectly the fair market 2237 01:28:14,239 --> 01:28:16,719 value piece of the statute. And what I 2238 01:28:16,719 --> 01:28:20,040 mean by that is if an public purpose is 2239 01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,480 identified, there's it's not held to 2240 01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:24,320 necessarily the same standard when it 2241 01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:27,120 comes to what a fair market value is. 2242 01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:29,600 Now here the fair market value metric 2243 01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,360 will be fair market value affordable 2244 01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:33,280 affordable housing development and so we 2245 01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:35,480 still satisfy that section of the 2246 01:28:35,480 --> 01:28:38,400 statute. To my knowledge and perhaps I 2247 01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:39,600 should confirm this and I guess I'll 2248 01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:41,760 commit for the record that I will. To my 2249 01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,920 knowledge the need to as far as back 2250 01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,719 taxes being paid that is not modified in 2251 01:28:46,719 --> 01:28:48,560 any way by al by identifying an 2252 01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:50,400 alternative disposal method. Those 2253 01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:52,960 obligations still exist. Okay. That 2254 01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:55,440 process still is in place. But what does 2255 01:28:55,440 --> 01:28:57,760 change is the fair market value 2256 01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,480 establishment that's outlined in statute 2257 01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:03,679 that changes sort of inherently by 2258 01:29:03,679 --> 01:29:04,719 moving towards whether it's an 2259 01:29:04,719 --> 01:29:06,480 affordable housing play or some other 2260 01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:08,320 use that's identified as being a public 2261 01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,560 benefit or in the public interest. 2262 01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:11,760 Hopefully that answers your question. 2263 01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,360 Followup. 2264 01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:18,000 So please um correct me if if I'm saying 2265 01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,560 this. the the audience that you're 2266 01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:23,679 looking at kind of changes because 2267 01:29:23,679 --> 01:29:26,560 you're changing the the definition of 2268 01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:29,440 fair market value. So, prior to that, 2269 01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:31,920 you were putting it out to the highest 2270 01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:34,840 bidder. The city can only still 2271 01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:38,080 take can only accept a certain amount 2272 01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:39,920 and the remainder would have had to go 2273 01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:43,120 to the who you took it from. That's 2274 01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:44,719 absolutely. Now, what you're doing is 2275 01:29:44,719 --> 01:29:46,880 you're changing the audience to whom 2276 01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:48,639 you're selling it to because you changed 2277 01:29:48,639 --> 01:29:50,800 the definition of fair market value. Is 2278 01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:53,520 that correct? Uh, Mr. Chair, I'll 2279 01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:55,840 respond. That that is correct. One 2280 01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:57,440 assumption I want to be careful that we 2281 01:29:57,440 --> 01:29:58,960 don't make, which I've almost implied 2282 01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:02,040 I'm making myself, is that an affordable 2283 01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:05,360 housing uh development of the site will 2284 01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:07,679 absolutely undermine the market value. 2285 01:30:07,679 --> 01:30:09,679 That's not necessarily the case. It is 2286 01:30:09,679 --> 01:30:12,960 possible of course uh but ultimately 2287 01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:14,880 there will be the same obligation to if 2288 01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:16,560 there are excess revenues as a result of 2289 01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:19,600 the sale that same obligation exists to 2290 01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,080 dispose of back to the the prior owner. 2291 01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:23,920 I I want to confirm all of this outside 2292 01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:25,600 of this meeting because I I do want to 2293 01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:27,840 point out that there's a unique history 2294 01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:29,360 and fact pattern for this property 2295 01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:31,040 having gone out to auction having been 2296 01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:32,960 entered into through a a purchase and 2297 01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:35,199 sale but not ultimately closed. But I am 2298 01:30:35,199 --> 01:30:36,560 fairly certain that all of the same 2299 01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:38,719 provisions would apply. But I'll send a 2300 01:30:38,719 --> 01:30:40,320 confirmatory answer back to this 2301 01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:41,679 committee before this legislation 2302 01:30:41,679 --> 01:30:44,000 returns to the full board. Okay. Thank 2303 01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,719 Thank you. Okay. Alderman Solomon. Thank 2304 01:30:46,719 --> 01:30:49,679 you. I just want to understand 2305 01:30:49,679 --> 01:30:52,080 the process and what this resolution 2306 01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:55,840 says. So you you said it. Now I 2307 01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:57,440 processed it. Now I'm going to spit it 2308 01:30:57,440 --> 01:30:58,719 back to you and I want to make sure that 2309 01:30:58,719 --> 01:31:00,960 I understand it. The city owns this 2310 01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:03,360 property through the tax deeding 2311 01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:05,840 situation. There were back taxes. City 2312 01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:08,400 took it over. Typically that gets 2313 01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,239 auctioned off. Back taxes get 2314 01:31:11,239 --> 01:31:14,719 paid. Everything proceeds as normal. In 2315 01:31:14,719 --> 01:31:16,639 this situation, the city is going to 2316 01:31:16,639 --> 01:31:19,000 retain ownership of the 2317 01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,880 property for 2318 01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:23,400 now 2319 01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:26,320 until we get we're going to put it out 2320 01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:29,440 to RFQ for 2321 01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:32,480 um someone to develop it for affordable 2322 01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:35,600 housing. Once that happens, at that 2323 01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:38,000 point, the city will then sell the 2324 01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,920 property to said 2325 01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,440 contractor and and that money will come 2326 01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:46,639 back to to the city to satisfy back 2327 01:31:46,639 --> 01:31:50,239 taxes. I know I'm simplifying it, but I 2328 01:31:50,239 --> 01:31:52,480 want to make sure that I understand it. 2329 01:31:52,480 --> 01:31:54,560 Uh I think perhaps I should let you 2330 01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:56,239 speak to my legislation moving forward 2331 01:31:56,239 --> 01:31:57,520 because I think that's a perfect 2332 01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,000 summary. Okay. Y with the one exception 2333 01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:01,600 being that it will be an RFP process 2334 01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:04,000 rather than a qual process. But that is 2335 01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:05,360 essentially what will happen here. Yes. 2336 01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:07,440 Okay. City will retain ownership. RFP 2337 01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:09,600 will be released. RFP will reflect the 2338 01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:12,000 values contained within this resolution. 2339 01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:13,600 There'll be a selection process of a 2340 01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,400 preferred uh respondent essentially. 2341 01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:18,800 Yeah. Price will be negotiated. 2342 01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:20,719 Ultimately, the sale will proc will be 2343 01:32:20,719 --> 01:32:22,560 processed and then the same the 2344 01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:24,800 customary process with the sale of any 2345 01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:26,639 taxi to property will then go into place 2346 01:32:26,639 --> 01:32:28,639 as far as being paid back. All right. 2347 01:32:28,639 --> 01:32:30,159 Can I have a followup? Follow up. Are 2348 01:32:30,159 --> 01:32:32,000 you able to reveal what the back taxes 2349 01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:35,120 are on this property? 2350 01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:37,840 Uh, Mr. Chair, I I actually do not have 2351 01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:39,360 that answer tonight. I'm happy to send 2352 01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:40,800 it to the committee perhaps as part of 2353 01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:42,480 the the response to Alderman Cle's 2354 01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:43,840 question, but I I do not know Alderman 2355 01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:45,679 Sult. 2356 01:32:45,679 --> 01:32:47,360 That would be good if you could do that. 2357 01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:51,360 But also keep in mind where the person 2358 01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:53,679 that bid it on the property defaulted 2359 01:32:53,679 --> 01:32:56,800 and did not go to close. The initial 2360 01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:00,000 deposit is in the custody of the city. 2361 01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,639 10,000 $10,000 went to the city, not to 2362 01:33:02,639 --> 01:33:05,679 the auctioneer. That is correct. Let me 2363 01:33:05,679 --> 01:33:07,040 confirm that there wasn't a split on 2364 01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:08,320 that though. There may have been some 2365 01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:11,960 split so I can get that answer as well. 2366 01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:16,239 Okay. All right. Anybody else questions? 2367 01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:20,159 Okay, then I will call for a vote. Uh, 2368 01:33:20,159 --> 01:33:23,440 all those in favor signify by saying I. 2369 01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:28,480 I oppose. Motion carries. Thank you. 2370 01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:30,239 Will the clerk, please? Next on the 2371 01:33:30,239 --> 01:33:32,159 agenda. 2372 01:33:32,159 --> 01:33:35,480 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 2373 01:33:35,480 --> 01:33:37,960 R25-161 authorizing an amendment to 2374 01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:41,199 resolution R72-75 2375 01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:43,600 laying out common sewers as it pertains 2376 01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:45,440 to the redevelopment of land in the 2377 01:33:45,440 --> 01:33:49,639 Veterans Memorial Parkway redevelopment 2378 01:33:49,639 --> 01:33:52,199 VMPR overlay 2379 01:33:52,199 --> 01:33:56,080 district. Mr. Chairman, I recommend 2380 01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:57,000 final 2381 01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:00,400 passage of our 25161. 2382 01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:02,560 All right. Uh you gentlemen, welcome. 2383 01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:04,320 You might as well come up and sit down 2384 01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:07,280 because you're here for two, right? Yes, 2385 01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:09,719 Mr. Chair. Okay. So, why don't you come 2386 01:34:09,719 --> 01:34:14,390 in? Welcome to the horseshoe. 2387 01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:17,239 Well, Director Cummings be 2388 01:34:17,239 --> 01:34:20,000 uh happy to I don't know if he wants to 2389 01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:22,400 associate with us. Rip. No, I was 2390 01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:24,560 actually getting ready to to get up to 2391 01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:27,120 the to the podium here and I was so I 2392 01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:28,239 was like, "All right, I might be." At 2393 01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:29,360 least they were nice to director 2394 01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:32,000 Sullivan this time. Director could join 2395 01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:33,760 us here if you He looks especially 2396 01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,159 sharp. 2397 01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:39,120 I learned sharing this week. 2398 01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:40,960 Alder woman Cle director Sullivan 2399 01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:42,320 certainly looks especially sharp 2400 01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:45,679 tonight. I know. 2401 01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:47,440 I know. I don't blame him. All right. 2402 01:34:47,440 --> 01:34:49,679 Since Director Cummings, you join us. Do 2403 01:34:49,679 --> 01:34:52,639 you want to segue into this? Yes. Thank 2404 01:34:52,639 --> 01:34:55,600 you, Mr. Chairman. So, uh uh again for 2405 01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:56,880 the record, Tim Cummings, director of 2406 01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,120 administrative services. Uh what we have 2407 01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:02,480 before you is legislation amending uh 2408 01:35:02,480 --> 01:35:05,440 some some contracts and some some prior 2409 01:35:05,440 --> 01:35:07,840 agreements that we had uh previously 2410 01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:10,400 approved because what we are here 2411 01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:12,000 tonight to talk about is the Mohawk 2412 01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,719 Tannery redevelopment. Um this has been 2413 01:35:14,719 --> 01:35:17,440 an ongoing project uh that's been near 2414 01:35:17,440 --> 01:35:20,400 and dear to to me over the years and to 2415 01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:23,040 many others in the city. Thank you alder 2416 01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:29,430 Clay. Um you click 2417 01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:31,239 uh so um 2418 01:35:31,239 --> 01:35:34,080 uh so with that being said uh the 2419 01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:36,480 project was uh a little bit way laid. We 2420 01:35:36,480 --> 01:35:38,560 were originally anticipating getting 2421 01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:41,520 underway with con uh remediation of the 2422 01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:46,239 site um uh last summer uh last fall. 2423 01:35:46,239 --> 01:35:47,760 That didn't necessarily come to 2424 01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:50,560 fruition. Um due to that we had to 2425 01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:53,440 rework uh some some some of the finer 2426 01:35:53,440 --> 01:35:55,920 details of the of the project to be able 2427 01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:58,480 to keep moving it forward. Um I will 2428 01:35:58,480 --> 01:36:01,199 leave it to the to the um development 2429 01:36:01,199 --> 01:36:03,679 team here to to speak to to speak in 2430 01:36:03,679 --> 01:36:06,480 more detail of the technicalities but um 2431 01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:08,639 I believe we are very close to getting 2432 01:36:08,639 --> 01:36:11,199 this project underway. Uh it is my 2433 01:36:11,199 --> 01:36:14,000 understanding that we have received uh 2434 01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:15,760 we have received or were about to 2435 01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:19,040 receive the final sign off from uh EPA 2436 01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:21,760 dees for 100% design of the remediation. 2437 01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:24,719 That is a critical milestone. Um once we 2438 01:36:24,719 --> 01:36:27,040 have that in hand, we really can can be 2439 01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:29,120 off to the races for the remediation, 2440 01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:31,360 which I still hope will be will be this 2441 01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:32,800 summer. But with that being said, I'll 2442 01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:34,800 hand it off to to Michael Develin to my 2443 01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:36,800 left here, who can who can uh walk you 2444 01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:38,560 through the finer points of of the 2445 01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:40,400 legislation this evening. Thank you, 2446 01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:42,320 Director Cummings. Uh, Mr. Chair, 2447 01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:44,400 members of the committee, can you please 2448 01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:45,760 just state your name for a 2449 01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:47,520 transcription, please? Yes. Uh, my name 2450 01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:50,159 is Michael Devon. I I represent Bllock 2451 01:36:50,159 --> 01:36:52,480 Holdings. Um, I'm here with attorney 2452 01:36:52,480 --> 01:36:55,199 Westgate. Uh, without Brad, this project 2453 01:36:55,199 --> 01:36:56,840 would be lost. I personally would be 2454 01:36:56,840 --> 01:37:00,480 lost, but um, greatly appreciative of 2455 01:37:00,480 --> 01:37:02,719 his efforts and his colleagues efforts. 2456 01:37:02,719 --> 01:37:04,800 Um, the Mohawk Tannery has been uh 2457 01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:07,040 before this committee as well as the 2458 01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:09,920 larger board a number of times. Uh, I'm 2459 01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:12,400 I'm thrilled to be able to report that 2460 01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:14,719 we're rounding third base, so to speak. 2461 01:37:14,719 --> 01:37:17,119 Um, we received final comments on the 2462 01:37:17,119 --> 01:37:20,560 100% design from EPA and DEES uh last 2463 01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:22,400 week. Uh, we've done an analysis of 2464 01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:24,840 those comments. Uh, and we anticipate 2465 01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:29,040 file filing the final 100% uh design on 2466 01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:33,520 June 6th. Um this is a 2400page document 2467 01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:37,440 um that is certainly extensive if not 2468 01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:39,600 downright exhaustive in terms of the 2469 01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:42,000 level of detail uh that the engineering 2470 01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:43,760 consultants have gone through to to make 2471 01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:46,880 sure that we remediate the site uh well 2472 01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:49,360 um and and safely uh for the public 2473 01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:52,159 health risk that it imposes. Um great 2474 01:37:52,159 --> 01:37:53,840 thanks to the city staff for getting us 2475 01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:55,679 to this point uh and all the dealings 2476 01:37:55,679 --> 01:37:57,679 that we've had. I can't count the number 2477 01:37:57,679 --> 01:38:00,639 of times I've had a 10:30 uh call or 2478 01:38:00,639 --> 01:38:02,639 weekend call from Director Cummings or 2479 01:38:02,639 --> 01:38:04,880 Director Sullivan uh to make sure we 2480 01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:07,360 talk about finer points uh of the Mohawk 2481 01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:09,719 Tannery. Uh the staff has truly been 2482 01:38:09,719 --> 01:38:13,119 dedicated. Um as we all know, the Mohawk 2483 01:38:13,119 --> 01:38:14,719 Tannery site sits along the Nashville 2484 01:38:14,719 --> 01:38:17,600 River. Uh directly east uh is the 2485 01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:20,320 downtown area. Uh it's a great area uh 2486 01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,880 for development. Unfortunately, uh it 2487 01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:25,040 has been contaminated for for a number 2488 01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:28,400 of years. Um things started to change uh 2489 01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:32,639 for the site uh when Blle Holdings uh uh 2490 01:38:32,639 --> 01:38:34,880 ran by Bernie Plant at the time uh 2491 01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:36,880 reached a deal with the EPA uh to 2492 01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:40,080 redevelop the site uh by first cleaning 2493 01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:43,920 it up. Um the EPA has since uh increased 2494 01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:45,920 its commitment to the project from $6 2495 01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:48,719 million to $9.5 million. uh that was 2496 01:38:48,719 --> 01:38:51,119 approved by Doge as well as uh upper 2497 01:38:51,119 --> 01:38:54,480 levels of the US DOJ um just recently 2498 01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:57,119 and it's currently in public comment uh 2499 01:38:57,119 --> 01:39:00,159 due to end on June 11th um in order for 2500 01:39:00,159 --> 01:39:02,560 us to have that agreement uh perfected 2501 01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:04,920 and and uh ready to 2502 01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:08,560 go. Um the reason why we've been at this 2503 01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,199 now for a number of years, uh Director 2504 01:39:11,199 --> 01:39:14,320 Cummings certainly well before me. Um 2505 01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:17,360 it's a a contaminated site. Um sitting 2506 01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:19,520 along the Nashville River are these two 2507 01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:22,639 large lagoons of carcinogenic materials. 2508 01:39:22,639 --> 01:39:24,639 Uh those lagoons sit within the 2509 01:39:24,639 --> 01:39:26,560 100red-year flood plane. The tannery 2510 01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:28,960 started in the 1920s. Uh I I wouldn't 2511 01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:30,960 want to keep playing those odds if I was 2512 01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,760 the city of NSHA. Um throughout the site 2513 01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:36,880 there are also a number of uh scattered 2514 01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:39,520 uh bits of the tannery waste uh as well 2515 01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:42,080 as a larger landfill here uh which was 2516 01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:45,440 on the uh fimble uh door property uh as 2517 01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:48,719 well as scattered asus uh throughout. Um 2518 01:39:48,719 --> 01:39:52,080 the goal is to uh clean up the site uh 2519 01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:54,560 consolidate all the uh Carson jig 2520 01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:57,360 materials into a containment cell uh 2521 01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:59,520 elevate that containment cell over uh 2522 01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:02,560 the 500year flood plane line uh in order 2523 01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:05,040 to uh further protect the site. Put a 2524 01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:08,639 permeable cap on top uh and then uh make 2525 01:40:08,639 --> 01:40:11,520 use of the site uh into uh the 2526 01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:13,199 development that you have seen before 2527 01:40:13,199 --> 01:40:16,159 you. Um the legislation that has gone 2528 01:40:16,159 --> 01:40:18,880 before the the larger board uh had 2529 01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:21,119 various pieces to it uh including a 2530 01:40:21,119 --> 01:40:23,360 revised master site plan. Uh that's not 2531 01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:26,159 subject here tonight. Uh but that this 2532 01:40:26,159 --> 01:40:28,239 depicts some of the changes that that 2533 01:40:28,239 --> 01:40:31,520 were before uh the board. Uh before the 2534 01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:33,920 uh committee tonight are two uh pieces 2535 01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:37,239 of legislation uh 2536 01:40:37,239 --> 01:40:40,159 R25166. Um this legislation uh 2537 01:40:40,159 --> 01:40:42,159 contemplates easements uh through the 2538 01:40:42,159 --> 01:40:45,600 project site to uh the adjacent Tamposi 2539 01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:48,000 property. Uh one of the dealings that we 2540 01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:51,600 had to uh uh do with the city uh was to 2541 01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:54,080 lease the right-of-way parcel. Uh as 2542 01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:56,639 such uh lease the rightway parcel 2543 01:40:56,639 --> 01:41:00,239 through the remediation. Um as such um 2544 01:41:00,239 --> 01:41:03,199 we now have to have the city join in 2545 01:41:03,199 --> 01:41:04,800 some of the agreements that we've made 2546 01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:07,679 to the adjacent property uh including 2547 01:41:07,679 --> 01:41:10,320 access and utilitiesmen. Um to be clear 2548 01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:12,400 though um tonight we are asking the 2549 01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:14,719 board to table this uh bit of 2550 01:41:14,719 --> 01:41:16,880 legislation until the June 11th meeting 2551 01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:19,360 of this committee. Uh reason being that 2552 01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:22,239 we just received um redline comments 2553 01:41:22,239 --> 01:41:25,520 from uh council from uh the Tamposie 2554 01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:27,600 family that owns the adjacent land and 2555 01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,159 we want to attend to those comments uh 2556 01:41:30,159 --> 01:41:32,239 route those red lines uh through 2557 01:41:32,239 --> 01:41:34,000 attorney Leonard uh who's been 2558 01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,159 intimately involved in this project uh 2559 01:41:36,159 --> 01:41:38,400 so that the city is is accepting of 2560 01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:41,600 those changes and then uh bring that new 2561 01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:43,920 uh uh version before this committee on 2562 01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:46,159 the 11th which we are prepared which we 2563 01:41:46,159 --> 01:41:48,560 are already set to be before for a 2564 01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:50,679 public hearing on a street 2565 01:41:50,679 --> 01:41:52,639 discontinuence petition that we 2566 01:41:52,639 --> 01:41:55,679 previously had 166 this one here. Yes. 2567 01:41:55,679 --> 01:41:59,149 Yes, ma'am. 2568 01:41:59,159 --> 01:42:02,400 R25161. Uh we are asking this board to 2569 01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:04,960 pro uh or this committee to provide a 2570 01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:06,800 favorable recommendation to the larger 2571 01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:10,320 board. Uh what this uh legislation uh 2572 01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:14,960 contemplates is a uh existing uh sewer 2573 01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:18,800 trunk line uh which the city has uh 2574 01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:21,440 along the river uh next to where the 2575 01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:23,679 containment cell is and there's a sewer 2576 01:42:23,679 --> 01:42:26,719 siphon over here uh as well as going uh 2577 01:42:26,719 --> 01:42:30,320 further east. um amending the the the 2578 01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:33,760 easement itself uh to allow us BLock to 2579 01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:36,080 do work uh and install the necessary 2580 01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:37,440 structures that we need for the 2581 01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:40,159 containment cell um along that easement 2582 01:42:40,159 --> 01:42:43,199 that currently exists um and ensure that 2583 01:42:43,199 --> 01:42:45,679 the city uh will follow certain repair 2584 01:42:45,679 --> 01:42:49,600 protocols um if they ever need to uh 2585 01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:52,080 repair the sewer uh adjacent to the 2586 01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:54,719 containment cell. uh our consultants at 2587 01:42:54,719 --> 01:42:58,000 Halen Aldridge uh put together a repair 2588 01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:00,480 protocol uh which obviously the city 2589 01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:02,560 when they put their sewer in uh would 2590 01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:06,239 not have uh uh uh known at the time 2591 01:43:06,239 --> 01:43:08,480 because a design hadn't been uh designed 2592 01:43:08,480 --> 01:43:10,480 for the contain excuse me the 2593 01:43:10,480 --> 01:43:14,239 containment cell the containment cell 2594 01:43:14,239 --> 01:43:17,600 um so uh our consultants put forth that 2595 01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:20,239 protocol to uh city engineering staff 2596 01:43:20,239 --> 01:43:23,040 engineer Hudson uh and his team uh and 2597 01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:25,360 we agreed to uh what that protocol would 2598 01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:27,840 would entail. Uh so this legislation 2599 01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:30,320 just again reiterates that the city 2600 01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:34,320 needs to follow certain protocols. Um 2601 01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:36,719 and then ultimately uh we're we're 2602 01:43:36,719 --> 01:43:40,080 projected close uh July 15th uh subject 2603 01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:41,760 to change. There are so many players 2604 01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:45,199 involved in this project um that uh 2605 01:43:45,199 --> 01:43:47,119 that's that's the date we're projecting 2606 01:43:47,119 --> 01:43:50,080 but it is subject to change. Uh once we 2607 01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:51,760 begin the remediation it'll be two 2608 01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:52,880 years. 2609 01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:56,639 uh between uh remediation sign off uh 2610 01:43:56,639 --> 01:43:59,840 and then uh start moving forward on the 2611 01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:01,239 redevelopment 2612 01:44:01,239 --> 01:44:04,159 project and and that that completes the 2613 01:44:04,159 --> 01:44:06,639 presentation for tonight. Okay. Thank 2614 01:44:06,639 --> 01:44:09,040 you. Any questions from members of the 2615 01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:11,600 board? Autumn Sullivan. 2616 01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:15,400 Thank you. Regarding the uh 2617 01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:17,280 166, that was the one that you're 2618 01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:19,199 requesting to the table. Yes. That had 2619 01:44:19,199 --> 01:44:21,760 the red lines issue. any um I don't know 2620 01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:24,159 what you can reveal, what you can't, but 2621 01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:25,920 have you taken a glance at the red 2622 01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:28,639 lines? Anything that that you see is uh 2623 01:44:28,639 --> 01:44:31,040 troubling or maybe non-negotiable or 2624 01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:34,000 anything any any landmines there that 2625 01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:35,760 you see? The one of the beauties of this 2626 01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:37,760 project is most people defer to attorney 2627 01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:40,719 West in terms of the redlinining and his 2628 01:44:40,719 --> 01:44:43,679 knowledge base. Uh so I have seen the uh 2629 01:44:43,679 --> 01:44:45,600 red lines because Brad wrote them. Yeah. 2630 01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:47,679 Okay. But I'll let him answer that 2631 01:44:47,679 --> 01:44:49,360 specific question if that that's okay 2632 01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:51,520 with Mr. Sure. If I may, Mr. Chairman. 2633 01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:53,040 Sure. 2634 01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:54,480 Thank you again for the record. Brad 2635 01:44:54,480 --> 01:44:56,239 Westgate, lawyer with Winer and Bennett, 2636 01:44:56,239 --> 01:45:00,800 402 Ammerst Street here in NSHA. Um the 2637 01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:03,920 the red lines were creations uh that we 2638 01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:05,920 made today. We, my colleague Barbara 2639 01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:08,880 Halevy and I did um as the initial 2640 01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:10,960 drafts people of the uh easement 2641 01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:13,280 document based on a conversation we had 2642 01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:16,280 with council for the Temposi entities. 2643 01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:19,719 Um fundamentally the red lines are to 2644 01:45:19,719 --> 01:45:23,679 simplify a complex little aspect of this 2645 01:45:23,679 --> 01:45:26,960 um document that um I initially drafted 2646 01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:28,719 which with some comment now having 2647 01:45:28,719 --> 01:45:31,760 received from uh the Champosies council 2648 01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:34,480 I can see a way to simplify it and also 2649 01:45:34,480 --> 01:45:37,119 to indicate how we had to add the city 2650 01:45:37,119 --> 01:45:39,280 as what I call an accommodation party to 2651 01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:45,119 the easement as Mr. Devon noted the 2652 01:45:45,119 --> 01:45:47,920 instead of acquiring fee simple full 2653 01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:50,719 ownership of the 4.4 4 acres that's 2654 01:45:50,719 --> 01:45:52,320 coming out of the Veterans Memorial 2655 01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:53,920 Parkway right away. That's part of the 2656 01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:56,239 site. We're going to lease it for a time 2657 01:45:56,239 --> 01:45:58,960 frame, but because of the commitments to 2658 01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:02,400 the Temposies both under our master 2659 01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:04,400 development agreement and also the 2660 01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:06,560 original legislation that contemplated 2661 01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:08,560 ultimate redevelopment of the Tannery 2662 01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:10,880 site, um we need to grant them these 2663 01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:14,800 easements uh upfront, if you will. So 2664 01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:17,520 that necessitated some structural 2665 01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:19,040 changes to the document which are 2666 01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:21,760 reflected in these red lines. I don't 2667 01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:23,440 think any of what we've done is going to 2668 01:46:23,440 --> 01:46:25,760 be a showstopper um both with the 2669 01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:27,840 Tamposies and with city staff and 2670 01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:29,840 attorney Leonard. Um but I do have to 2671 01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:32,880 walk through um with the Temposies those 2672 01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:35,760 changes better and also certainly bring 2673 01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:37,360 city staff up to speed with the why 2674 01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:38,880 we've approached it the way we did. 2675 01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:41,760 Okay. Thank you. 2676 01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:43,800 Okay. Any other 2677 01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:46,639 questions? Okay, seeing none, I'll call 2678 01:46:46,639 --> 01:46:50,080 for the vote. All those in favor signify 2679 01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:55,000 by saying I. I. Opposed. Motion 2680 01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:59,880 carries. And right now we're on to R 2681 01:46:59,880 --> 01:47:02,760 25166 and I'll entertain by 2682 01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:05,040 recommendation a motion to table. 2683 01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:08,510 Alderman Clay. Yes. 2684 01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:10,639 R25-166 authorizing the city of 2685 01:47:10,639 --> 01:47:12,800 Nashville to join in the granting of an 2686 01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:16,480 easement for the benefit of map 62 lot 2687 01:47:16,480 --> 01:47:20,000 100 and adjacent adjacent land in 2688 01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:21,679 connection with the redevelopment of the 2689 01:47:21,679 --> 01:47:24,159 former Mohawk tannery site. Mr. 2690 01:47:24,159 --> 01:47:27,440 Chairman, I recommend table to the next 2691 01:47:27,440 --> 01:47:31,550 meeting of June 11th. 2692 01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:35,360 Okay. And any uh discussion on that? Not 2693 01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:38,000 a table. No, I think he can have that. 2694 01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:40,560 No, not a table. Not on a tableling. No. 2695 01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:43,360 Um but I would like to say June 11th. 2696 01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:44,560 I'll have to check with the 2697 01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:46,159 administrative. 2698 01:47:46,159 --> 01:47:49,520 Uh we we do have a one of those intram 2699 01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:52,080 meetings. Yeah. Yeah. The booking if 2700 01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:54,639 it's available. Um so if you could check 2701 01:47:54,639 --> 01:47:56,480 with Don or I'll have Donna check June 2702 01:47:56,480 --> 01:47:59,520 11th tentative to the Yeah. the clerk. 2703 01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:02,000 Mr. Chair, just if I may, um I believe 2704 01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:03,840 that notice has already gone out for a 2705 01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:06,159 public hearing for that night because 2706 01:48:06,159 --> 01:48:08,159 there's a there's a petition uh for 2707 01:48:08,159 --> 01:48:09,760 street discontinuence that we had to 2708 01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:12,960 amend uh based on uh these changes. 2709 01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:14,159 Well, if that's the case, that's 2710 01:48:14,159 --> 01:48:16,080 beautiful. Okay, good, Mr. Chair. All 2711 01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:17,679 right. I didn't want you to count on the 2712 01:48:17,679 --> 01:48:20,239 11th and then we get something to 2713 01:48:20,239 --> 01:48:23,520 arrive. Okay. All right. The motion is 2714 01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:25,920 the table. All those in favor signify by 2715 01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:30,080 saying I. I oppose. Motion carries. 2716 01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:31,600 Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you very 2717 01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:33,600 much. Thank you very much. Okay. New 2718 01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:36,639 business ordinances. There is none. 2719 01:48:36,639 --> 01:48:39,360 Petitions, there is none. We do have 2720 01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:42,159 another item that is table, but it's not 2721 01:48:42,159 --> 01:48:43,840 going to come off the table. Nobody's 2722 01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:44,760 shown 2723 01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:48,000 interest. And um there's another one. 2724 01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:49,360 We'll leave that one on the table. Well, 2725 01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:52,000 yeah, it's petition for that's been 2726 01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:54,320 tabled for a while there, too. So, 2727 01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:57,750 general discussion. 2728 01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:59,520 Yes, 2729 01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:02,400 just I wasn't vocal on the the first 2730 01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:04,000 motions. I don't know if you had me as a 2731 01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:06,080 yes. I was confused for a second on 2732 01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:08,320 whether which one we were voting for. So 2733 01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:11,679 I'm a yes on 161. Oh, okay. And to table 2734 01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:14,080 on 166. I got confused at which one we 2735 01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:19,199 were Okay. You voted in the affirmative. 2736 01:49:19,199 --> 01:49:22,080 Correct. 2737 01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:25,440 Yeah. Okay. And there's nobody here for 2738 01:49:25,440 --> 01:49:27,920 public comment and remarks by alderman 2739 01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:30,080 is the same as general discussion. I 2740 01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:32,480 agree. I get confused by those too. 2741 01:49:32,480 --> 01:49:35,679 Yeah, we can we were looking to modify 2742 01:49:35,679 --> 01:49:37,920 splitting hairs. Mike, yeah, I know. 2743 01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:39,520 Unless somebody has something that want 2744 01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:41,360 to share. Oh, good. Good. I think we 2745 01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:42,800 should get rid of general discussion and 2746 01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:45,199 just go straight to I would agree with 2747 01:49:45,199 --> 01:49:47,040 that. Mark's bike. I think they're 2748 01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:49,600 working on it. Yeah. 2749 01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:52,080 All right. And so now I'll look to 2750 01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:54,960 Alderman Clay for the next motion. Your 2751 01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:57,520 favorite one? Yes indeed. 2752 01:49:57,520 --> 01:50:01,040 I'd like to motion to adjurnn. Okay. The 2753 01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:03,040 motion is to adjurnn. All those in favor 2754 01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:07,119 signify by saying I. I. Oppose. Motion 2755 01:50:07,119 --> 01:50:10,800 carries. Uh, and I'll declare the 2756 01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:17,159 meeting closed at uh 8:50 p.m.