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Good evening. I'd like to call to order the Mayer.

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Can we please have an order please? I'd like to

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call to order the May 1st, 2025 meeting of the city of

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Nashua planning board.

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Madam secretary, can we have a roll call please? Yes.

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Mr. Chair, mayor Donis.

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Mike Peterson.

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Bob Bollinger here, Adam barley here.

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Maggie Harper here, Dan Hudson here.

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Scott LeClair.

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Air Larry Hirsch here. Cameron green here. Alderman Klee.

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All right. We have a forum.

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Next item on the agenda approval of minutes from our

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April 3rd, 2025 meeting.

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Has any member of the board had a chance to

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review those minutes and is willing to make a, a

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motion regarding their acceptance or approval.

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Mr. Green. I'd like to make a motion.

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To accept the minutes as.

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All right. We have a motion by Mr. Green. Is

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there a second, second by Mr. Hirsch, any further discussion?

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All those in favor.

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Aye. Aye. Recusals.

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Recusals. Alright. Motion passes.

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Passes next item on the agenda.

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Communications lean on staff for this one. Is there anything

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that came in since we received our packets?

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Packets we did receive, I believe one letter in opposition

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to the Roby park disc golf course that has been

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forwarded to you.

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Alright, very good.

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Thank you, Sam. Next item on the agenda report of

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chair, committee and liaison. Ms. Harper, you have anything for

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us tonight? Yes, Mr. Chair, I attended the historical historical

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district commission meeting early, earlier this week on Monday, there

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were two cases.

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One for 13 Manchester street and one for 43 dash

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45 orange street.

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To perform repairs to the buildings and both cases were

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approved by the commission.

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Very good. Thank you. The only other thing I'll add,

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there were a couple presentations.

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About two weeks ago. I think one was on a

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Thursday. One was on a Saturday for the redevelopment of

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the Elm street, middle school property.

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Very informative. The sessions were recorded. If you're at all

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interested.

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Please check 'em out, but very, very good, very thorough

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presentations.

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From both potential proponents. So.

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I think with that, we'll just keep moving along in

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the agenda. But before I do.

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Would like to read the planning board procedure.

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The procedure of the meeting is as follows after the

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legal notice of each conditional special use permit.

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Site plan or subdivision plan is read by the chair.

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The board will determine if that application is complete and

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ready for the board to take jurisdiction. The public hearing

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will begin at which time the applicant or representative will

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be given time to present an overview and description of

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their project.

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The applicant shall speak to whether or not they agree

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with recommended staff stipulations, the board will then have an

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opportunity to ask questions of the applicant or staff.

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The chair will then ask for testimony from the audience.

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First anyone wishing to speak in opposition or with concern

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to the plan may speak.

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Please come forward to the microphone.

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State your name and address for the record. This would

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be the time to ask questions that you may have

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regarding the plan.

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Next have a public testimony will come from anyone wishing

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to speak in favor of the plan.

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The applicant will then be allowed a rebuttal period at

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which time they shall speak to any issues or concerned

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raised by the prior public testimony.

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After this is completed, the public hearing will end and

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the board will resume the public meeting at which time

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the board will deliberate and vote on the application before

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us.

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The board asked that both sides keep their remarks to

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the subject at hand and not repeat what has already

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been said.

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Above all the board wants to be fair to everyone

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and make the best possible decision based on the testimony

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presented and all applicable approval criteria established in the Nashua

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revised ordinances.

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Ordinances. Thank you for your interest and courteous attention. I

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would ask that you'd please turn off your cell phones

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or at least put them on silent mode.

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A couple of other administrative notes. I do want to

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point out.

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The board at its discretion.

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Can cut off public testimony.

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At 10 o'clock depending how the rest of the applications

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on the agenda unfold this evening, there is always the

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possibility that some items on the agenda may not be

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heard in their entirety this evening.

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Secondly, when it does come to the public testimony.

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We're gonna try to keep that.

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Organized and on point and really not duplicate matters, which

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have already been stated if individuals have written letters or

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emails, either in support or against a particular application.

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They're already part of the record, the board has received

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them, read them. They're part of the official record already.

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You do not need to reread a letter, which you

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have already written.

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With that being said,

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I would like to start moving on to our caseload.

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Under old's business site plan.

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This case was continued to May 15th is any, if anyone

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is here for the east Otterson case,

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that will not be heard tonight. That has been tabled

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to the May 15th hearing.

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Next item on the agenda.

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Under new business, conditional use permit.

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There's actually an associated case with this.

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Under new business subdivision plan properties located at 15.

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New street, it would be case number a 25 dash

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0 43 for the conditional use permit.

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And case number 8 25 dash 0 0 4 2 for the subdivision plan.

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Mr. Chair, just sorry, just to.

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Point of part. Just a quick question. Oh, you are

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correct. Where we, yeah, we're gonna hear the, I am

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mistaken. We were gonna skip ahead in the agenda.

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Apologize for that. We were actually gonna start off this

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evening with other business.

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Item number two referral from the board of alderman regarding

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R dash 25 dash one 40.

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Relative to tax needed property auction.

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Is anyone from did anyone from staff care to make

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a brief statement on that?

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Certainly thank you, Mr. Chair.

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So before you as a referral from the board of

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alderman regarding a number of properties that have been taken

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by the city due to nonpayment of back taxes.

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Taxes. This is a standard procedure that is enshrined in

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the NROs of the city of Nashua and at, in

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accordance with all applicable state statute and Nashua ordinances notice

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and procedure has, has occurred.

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The city now owns these properties and would like to

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proceed to auctioning these properties.

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State statute and pursuit, or rather city procedure requires that

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the planning board make a recommendation on this list of

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properties to proceed to auction the committee on infrastructure would

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then hold the public hearing regarding this list of property

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in that slated full.

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May 7th.

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All right. Thank you, Sam.

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Any questions from staff.

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Mr. Barley, please. Just a quick question, Sam, just to

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confirm.

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As to the sort of status as the, of the

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properties as you described it in terms of.

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The notice and process that's already taken place.

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That's the same for all the properties on this list.

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Is that correct? Correct. Thank you.

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Thank you, Adam, other questions from the board.

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See none.

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Is any member of the board willing to re recommendation?

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This would be

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favorable either favorable or unfavorable recommendation regarding.

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Regarding R 25 dash one 40 S Mr. Barley.

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Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair, as to.

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Ordinance R dash 25.

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Dash one 40. I would make a motion that we

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provide a favorable recommendation.

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Thank you, Mr. Barley, is there a second?

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Second by Mr. Hirsch.

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Any further discussion.

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All those in favor. Aye. Aye.

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Motion passes unanimously.

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Alright, thank you.

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All right, moving back to our other caseload.

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Again, we have an item under new business condition you

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permit is 25 dash 43. Copy located at 15 new

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street.

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Same property. There's also under new business subdivision plan at

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15 new street case 8 25 dash 0 42.

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At the board's pleasure. We could hear both of these

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at the same time.

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Would any member of the board be willing to make

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a, make a recommendation?

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Regarding the board accepting jurisdiction.

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Over new business subdivision plan and conditional use permit permit.

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Mr. Barley.

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Mr chairman as to case.

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A 25 dash 0 43.

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Conditional use permit and a 25 dash 0 42 subdivision plan.

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I would make a motion.

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That both applications are complete and ready for the board

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to accept jurisdiction and that we hear the cases together.

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Okay, thank you. Motion by Mr. Barley. Is there a

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second, second by Mr. Green.

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Any further discussion.

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All those in favor. Aye. Aye. Aye. All right.

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We have jurisdiction. Go right ahead. Just introduce yourself for

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the record, please.

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Good evening, Mr. Chairman members of the board for the

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record. My name is Ethan Beales. I'm a project manager.

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At Haner Swanson doing business at three Congress street here

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in national New Hampshire here tonight representing Bob McIntosh at Ram

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development.

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Also with me tonight is the project attorney attorney. Andy

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Pearlman has just read, read into the record. We're seeking

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two actions by the planning board tonight.

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A subdivision approval and a conditional use permit.

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With the chair's permission, I'd present the facts of both

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of the cases together, and then we'd be happy to

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answer any questions at the board may have.

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The existing site is located at 15 new street and

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is known to the city of Nashua assessor's office as

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map 28, lot 15.

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Scott, if you don't mind bringing up the subdivision plan

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instead of the, the master site plan for now.

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It is known to the city of Nashua assessor's office

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as map 28. Lot 15 is located in the RB.

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B urban residence, zoning district.

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Site measure 0.69 acres in size.

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And this abutted by single family dwellings to the south

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and Southwest two family dwellings to the Southeast.

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A large building owned and operated by the nonprofit Southern

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New Hampshire services to the Northeast.

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And the Marshall street apartments, a high density multi-family residential

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development.

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To the Northwest, the subject site is currently developed and

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contains an existing single family home.

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A pool, a detached garage in two sheds.

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Sheds topography on the site is generally mild with a

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large, low point in the grasped backyard.

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Access to the site is provided via two driveway. Curb

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cuts out onto new street.

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And the existing dwelling is serviced by city sewer water

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by Uck waterworks gas.

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And overhead electric and telecommunication lines.

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It is proposed to subdivide the existing lot into two

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lots. The existing house and pool will remain on lot

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15 and will retain the 15 new street address.

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One subdivided this lot will measure approximately 0.261 acres in

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size.

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And the newly created lot 21 will measure 0.429 acres

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in size and will be addressed as 19 new street.

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The existing detached garage shed and driveway on the new

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lot, 21 will be demolished to make room for a

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new development.

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After subdivision, both of the lots will be legal, RB,

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conforming lots.

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Lots. We are seeking one waiver from the subdivision subdivision

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regulation, and that was detailed in a letter to the

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board. Briefly summarize that request and ask that the letter

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be incorporated into the record by reference.

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The waiver is of 1 90, 2 82 , which requires existing conditions be

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provided within a thousand feet of the subdivision.

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The justification being the surveying within a thousand feet of

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the project is not really practical. It doesn't add valuable

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information to the plan. It will be cost prohibitive for

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a project of this size.

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Scott, if you don't mind now, switching back to the

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master site plan.

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Well, a site plan was submitted. A three unit building

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is allowed in the RV zone by conditional use permit

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and a formal site plan action is not required here

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tonight. It is proposed to construct a new three unit

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multi-family residential building on the new lot 21, along with

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the so site improvements.

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The building will be a three story townhouse style building.

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Elevations were submitted in your packet, but it is similar

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to several of the townhouse developments that are currently being

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constructed in the city.

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The first floor will consist of a garage building entrance

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and utility and storage space.

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The second floor will contain a kitchen and a living

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room.

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In the third floor will, will contain three bedrooms.

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Bedrooms a deck will be constructed off the back of

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each unit connecting to the second floor kitchen.

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And each unit will have approximately a 24 foot by

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32 foot footprint.

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The building will be fully sprinkled.

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Access to the site will be provided via a new

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driveway off of new street.

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Other site improvements as part of this project include landscaping

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site lighting.

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Utility services and store and a stormwater management practice.

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Once constructed the new building will be serviced by public

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sewer water by pen, truck, waterworks, gas and underground electric

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and telecommunication utilities.

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A traffic memorandum was prepared by Steve Perna, professional engineer.

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It concluded that the proposed development will generate approximately one

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vehicle trip in the am peak hour.

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And two vehicle trips in the PM peak hour.

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Given the minimal edition, additional amount of trips generated by

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this proposed development. An additional traffic study was not warranted.

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In the board's packet tonight was a letter detailing. The

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nine criteria required for conditional use permit.

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Well, I'm happy to go through each criteria individually, outta

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respect for the agenda tonight, perhaps I can just summarize

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and hit some of those high level points.

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The use is permitted in the RV zone in the

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building will conform to all applicable setbacks.

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Setbacks, the project exists in a transitionary area of the

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city. Abutting. The project is a mix of single family,

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two family, a commercial use, and a high density residential

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use.

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As such a three unit building is compatible with the

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neighborhood.

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A letter was also submitted to the board from a

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licensed real estate salesperson.

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Who reviewed the proposed development and wrote an opinion that

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the three units will not impact the neighboring property values.

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As mentioned earlier, a traffic report concluded that the proposed

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project will have a measurable, but minimal impact to the

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surrounding roadways.

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Roadways. And finally, adequate utilities exist in the vicinity of

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the proposed project.

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We are seeking also one waiver for the C U

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P as I did earlier. I'll briefly summarize that request

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and ask that that letter also be incorporated into the

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record by reference.

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And the waiver is of 1 90, 1 98, which requires a maximum.

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Number of six parking spaces on the site, or 1.9

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space.

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Per unit times three units for a multi-family development.

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The plan proposes a total of nine parking spaces.

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One garage and one driveway space per unit, plus an

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additional three. We we'll call 'em visitor parking spaces.

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In our opinion for a development, this size nine parking

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spaces is appropriate to help accommodate any visitors.

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Visitors to the site and prevent any on-street parking.

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In summary, we believe our subdivision planning and conditional use

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permit, conform to the city Nashua land use code.

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We've reviewed the staff report and are in agreement with

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staff's recommended conditions of approval. And at this point, I'd

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be happy to answer any questions that the board may

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have.

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Thank you.

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Questions from the board.

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Seeing none at this time. Thank you.

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I would love like to open this up to the

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public. Is there anyone here this evening that would like

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to speak in opposition or concern?

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With this application.

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Okay. Seeing none. Is there anyone in the audience that

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would like to speak in favor of this application?

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What if we just have a question.

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Of what was just said.

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I, I would say I would classify that opposition or

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concern, but it's okay. You're more than welcome to take

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the podium if you'd like and ask.

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You would've to come up just for the record. So

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it's recorded and you can direct, you could direct your

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question to the board, but it would be incumbent upon

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the applicant to actually respond.

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My name is Melissa. And my address is 10 new

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street. Just had a question pertaining to.

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The

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amount of vehicles that would be traveling up and down

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the street. I thought I heard one in the morning,

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two in the evening.

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We just wondered how that came about.

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I don't know if I heard that correctly or not.

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The applicant can certainly respond to the traffic documentation that

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was provided. So he'll be given that opportunity. So he

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will, he will address that. Okay. And then I, I

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guess, did you have any other questions or, or comments.

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Comments on the testimony.

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I think that's it for now. It was it. Okay.

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All right.

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So, I guess we're, we're still in the, in the

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public.

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Hearing. So is there anyone else in the audience that

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would like to speak on this application?

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Okay. You see none.

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Mr Beals, would you like to come up and address

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the comment related to traffic?

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Thank you.

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Sure. As I had mentioned earlier, a traffic memorandum was

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prepared by professional engineer. Steve Perna, as the board knows

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traffic is typically measured in am peak hours and PM

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peak hours.

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The numbers I had stated earlier in my presentation reflect

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the values.

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Of the additional traffic generated by the proposed development.

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In the peak hour in the peak hour is the

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hour essentially that the roadway is the busiest. The nearby

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roadway network is the busiest in during the morning. And

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during the afternoon, the numbers stated earlier, don't reflect the

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total volume of traffic.

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Coming from the site throughout the day.

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But rather traffic is typically measured in the am and

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PM peak hours.

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Thank you for the clarification.

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We kindly request that we silence.

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Any, any devices that we have, please? Thank you.

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Other questions from the board at this time.

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Mr chair. Yes.

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More of a common, I guess. So.

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This Street's a dead end street. So just in terms

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of maintenance for snow and that sort of thing, I,

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I imagine it must be challenging for the public works.

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Vehicles, you know, they gotta push snow somewhere and they

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gotta be able to turn around at the end of

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the street. So I just.

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I know we're not undertaking a full site plan review

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tonight.

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But I would just seek to address that later, I

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guess, with the.

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A driveway permit stage or something like that with the,

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with the applicant. So I just wanna note it as

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a potential cur concern that needs to be addressed at

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some point in the future.

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Do you did Mr. Hudson, do you think that's worthy

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of potentially adding as a condition applicant to work with?

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Staff regarding I would, yeah. With public works.

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Yeah, I would, I would welcome a condition like that

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just to, I, I haven't.

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Haven't I haven't dreamed up an answer. I don't know

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what currently occurs. If people turn around the driveways, they

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turn around the driveways now, or, or how it works.

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Exactly. But I do see that as an issue on

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this dead end with no cold sack or turnaround, which

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I'm I'm is no, not probably you unique in the

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city, but.

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Definitely makes things difficult for.

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For public works operations.

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Do do you happen to know how they're handling it

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now as an existing public way or.

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I do not. No, I do not.

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It, it seems like there's there's opportunity for, for discussion.

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So, so maybe no way to no way to do

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anything with it. I don't know. I just.

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You know, may, maybe it's a simple as permission to

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be able to turn around in the driveway. That's gonna

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be created.

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I don't know the answer to that, but I, I

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would wish welcome a further discussion.

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So I won't, we won't.

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Won't hold 'em hostage, so to speak, you know, on

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whatever the end result is, but I would appreciate an

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opportunity to have that.

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Direct discussion later with the applicant.

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Thank you, Mr. Deals. I would imagine you're open to

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having a discussion with happy to have the public parts.

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Okay. Thank you. Very good. Thank you.

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All right. Thank you, Mr. Hudson. Thank you. Other questions

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from the board at this time.

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All right. Scene. None.

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I'm gonna close the public hearing.

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Go into our, our deliberation.

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This one, this one seems.

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I need to use the term, but kind of straightforward

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other than the, the snow.

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Removal potential, but it seems like there's, there's at least

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a conversation to be had on that.

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So I wouldn't certainly want to see something like that.

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You know, halt this, but obviously I'd love to, to

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hear back from the board and see if there's any

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other issues or concerns that you may have.

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I just have a question for staff once, please.

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Just in terms of the.

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Decorder of, of taking a motions.

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Motions. I just want to clarify, are you envisioning that

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we would.

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Take up the, the one waiver for the subdivision and

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then the subdivision approval.

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Then the one waiver related to the conditional use permit

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and the conditional use permit approval. Is that what you

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had in mind or I just wasn't sure if we

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should take those waiver requests separately, given that the.

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The two were sort of depended on one another.

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So the, I believe the conditional use is the first

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item at hand. That'd be a waiver to the conditional

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use criteria.

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And then a determination on conditional use approval.

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And then subsequently the subdivision waiver and the subdivision approval.

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Good question. Okay. So it's the.

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The subdivision approval has be granted first, not the conditional

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use permit. Got it. Conditional use first. I'm sorry. Con

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conditional use subdivision first subdivision subdivision. First subdivision first. Okay.

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We're all learning. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

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All right.

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All right now that we have our, our, our PS

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and QS in order.

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Is Eddie would any member of the board be willing

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to.

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Make a recommendation or make a motion.

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Regarding the, the C

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U P application the subdivisions. Oh, the subdivision chief. Now

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I screwed it up too. All right. Pardon me? The

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subdivision Mr. Chair.

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So I would first make a motion as to the

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one waiver request.

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Relating to the subdivision plan. So.

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Specifically that is a wave of request from section.

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One 90 dash 2 82 with respect to showing existing conditions

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within a thousand feet.

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And that motion would be to.

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Grant that waiver of request based on a finding that

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strict conformity would pose an unnecessary hardship.

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And that the specific circumstances of the, the application.

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Indicate that granting the waiver will still allow for carrying

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out the spirit and intent of the regulation.

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Alright, thank you. Motion by Mr. Varley with respect to

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granting the waiver for the subdivision plan.

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Is there a second.

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Second by Mr. Hirsch.

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Any further discussion.

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All those in favor.

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Aye. Aye. Aye. Motion passes.

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Passes. Would you like to continue? Yes.

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And just a quick question for Mr. Hudson, does it

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matter from your perspective that additional.

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Condition relating to the snow plowing.

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Do you view that more appropriately as a condition to

515
00:24:42,133 --> 00:24:44,266
the subdivision plan or the conditional use permit?

516
00:24:45,166 --> 00:24:47,166
I was, I was trying to say that in my

517
00:24:47,166 --> 00:24:49,567
own head too. I think maybe the subdivision cuz regardless

518
00:24:49,634 --> 00:24:50,867
of what use was.

519
00:24:51,634 --> 00:24:53,100
Done on that lot. We'd want to have that same

520
00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:56,533
discussion maybe. Right. Even if it was a single, single

521
00:24:56,533 --> 00:24:56,900
family.

522
00:24:57,700 --> 00:24:59,533
Lot. So, so I think it's more appropriate for the

523
00:24:59,533 --> 00:25:02,333
subdivision, but I yield to staff if that's not appropriate.

524
00:25:02,367 --> 00:25:05,100
Okay. Makes sense to me. I would agree. Okay. Thank

525
00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:05,266
you.

526
00:25:06,667 --> 00:25:10,000
All right. With that clarification, I would then.

527
00:25:10,867 --> 00:25:11,900
Make a motion to

528
00:25:14,066 --> 00:25:14,300
grant

529
00:25:15,233 --> 00:25:18,100
final subdivision approval with respect to.

530
00:25:19,934 --> 00:25:21,634
Sorry, I'm just case number here.

531
00:25:22,667 --> 00:25:24,033
Case a 25.

532
00:25:24,934 --> 00:25:26,634
Dash 0 42.

533
00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:32,533
With a finding that the application does meet the requirements

534
00:25:32,533 --> 00:25:36,367
outlined in subdivision NRL, section one 90 dash 1 38 G.

535
00:25:37,934 --> 00:25:38,100
With

536
00:25:40,033 --> 00:25:41,000
subsequent conditions as falls.

537
00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:45,033
Follows a through E is written in the staff report.

538
00:25:46,100 --> 00:25:48,033
And then a new, newly added.

539
00:25:48,934 --> 00:25:53,033
Subsequent condition indicating that the applicant shall work with staff

540
00:25:53,033 --> 00:25:54,500
from the department of public works.

541
00:25:55,667 --> 00:25:59,300
To develop a plan for snow removal on the site.

542
00:26:01,166 --> 00:26:04,333
Thank you motion by Mr. Barley. Is there a second?

543
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:06,767
Second by Mr. Hirsch.

544
00:26:07,867 --> 00:26:08,900
Any further discussion.

545
00:26:10,367 --> 00:26:11,100
All those in favor.

546
00:26:12,166 --> 00:26:13,767
Aye motion passes.

547
00:26:14,867 --> 00:26:16,834
Passes, I guess.

548
00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:19,333
Next would be

549
00:26:20,166 --> 00:26:23,333
yeah. No. So the waiver motion on the waiver? Yeah,

550
00:26:23,467 --> 00:26:25,266
for the C U P. Okay.

551
00:26:27,667 --> 00:26:28,166
Okay. So

552
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:31,266
I would next make a motion.

553
00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:37,100
To approve the waiver request with respect to the conditional

554
00:26:37,166 --> 00:26:37,834
use permit.

555
00:26:39,033 --> 00:26:39,767
Specifically

556
00:26:42,066 --> 00:26:44,433
a request from, for a waiver from.

557
00:26:47,834 --> 00:26:52,100
Section 1 98 dash one 90 to allow nine parking spaces

558
00:26:52,133 --> 00:26:54,834
where otherwise a max move six would be permitted.

559
00:26:55,867 --> 00:26:58,533
And again with the finding that strick and formative impose

560
00:26:58,533 --> 00:26:59,834
an unnecessary hardship.

561
00:27:00,567 --> 00:27:02,634
And that the specific circumstances or conditions.

562
00:27:03,734 --> 00:27:07,734
Of the site indicate that granting the waiver will allow

563
00:27:07,734 --> 00:27:09,767
for properly carrying out the spirit and intent of the

564
00:27:09,767 --> 00:27:10,166
regulations.

565
00:27:12,100 --> 00:27:12,667
Thank you.

566
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:15,333
Motion by Mr. Varley. Is there a second?

567
00:27:16,667 --> 00:27:18,000
Second by Mr. Green.

568
00:27:19,233 --> 00:27:20,300
Further discussion.

569
00:27:22,767 --> 00:27:25,133
Actually just had one from staff that the, the.

570
00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:27,367
Land use matrix table.

571
00:27:28,367 --> 00:27:31,133
Is in section 1 98, 1 90, but is the waiver actually being

572
00:27:31,133 --> 00:27:32,367
sought from one 90?

573
00:27:33,133 --> 00:27:34,100
2 71. I

574
00:27:35,433 --> 00:27:37,300
the waiver is to.

575
00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:42,367
One 90 dash 2 82, I'm sorry, one 90 dash 2 7 1

576
00:27:43,033 --> 00:27:43,667
I two.

577
00:27:44,767 --> 00:27:46,000
In that language reads.

578
00:27:47,066 --> 00:27:47,767
Reads, I can just find it.

579
00:27:54,934 --> 00:27:57,634
That language reads, individual parking loading spaces.

580
00:27:59,033 --> 00:28:00,867
To be noted, required and provided.

581
00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:03,166
Provided. And so since they were providing.

582
00:28:04,166 --> 00:28:06,834
More than what's allowed. We referenced the.

583
00:28:08,066 --> 00:28:11,000
Other section of the code specific to parking matrix.

584
00:28:12,467 --> 00:28:15,033
Okay. No, and, and I appreciate that, but, but I

585
00:28:15,033 --> 00:28:16,567
just, as a matter of citation,

586
00:28:17,333 --> 00:28:20,100
in the motion. It, it is is the waiver from

587
00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:23,333
section one 90 dash 2 71 or do so that would

588
00:28:23,333 --> 00:28:23,867
be okay.

589
00:28:24,767 --> 00:28:25,834
Understood. Thank you.

590
00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:30,834
Mr. Barlow, would you mind restating that motion? Just.

591
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,900
Sure. I, I, I think I, I can just clarify

592
00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:35,266
that.

593
00:28:36,367 --> 00:28:40,100
The, the waiver itself is from one 90 dash, 2 71.

594
00:28:40,533 --> 00:28:40,667
I.

595
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,734
In terms of establishing the.

596
00:28:44,567 --> 00:28:46,533
The maximum parking standard. Okay.

597
00:28:48,066 --> 00:28:49,533
Excellent. Thank you very much. You're welcome.

598
00:28:51,066 --> 00:28:53,166
Mr. Green, would you move on this? No, sir. All right.

599
00:28:53,166 --> 00:28:56,066
Seconded by Mr. Green. All right. Further discussion.

600
00:28:57,934 --> 00:28:58,533
All those in favor.

601
00:28:59,634 --> 00:29:01,300
Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Motion passes.

602
00:29:02,467 --> 00:29:04,266
Passes. Thank you. Thank you.

603
00:29:05,767 --> 00:29:07,033
All right. All right. And then.

604
00:29:08,533 --> 00:29:11,767
Take the, the left to prove the piece. Yes. Yes.

605
00:29:11,867 --> 00:29:12,100
Yep.

606
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:18,066
So final motion on this, this set of, of applications.

607
00:29:21,133 --> 00:29:21,433
So as to

608
00:29:23,867 --> 00:29:27,734
case number a 25 dash 0 43.

609
00:29:29,066 --> 00:29:30,367
Conditional use permit.

610
00:29:31,266 --> 00:29:34,367
I would make a motion to approve that application.

611
00:29:35,433 --> 00:29:38,266
Finding that it meets the requirements outlined in section one

612
00:29:38,266 --> 00:29:40,000
90 dash 1 33.

613
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:41,867
And with

614
00:29:43,433 --> 00:29:48,033
subsequent conditions as listed a through I in the staff

615
00:29:48,033 --> 00:29:48,266
report.

616
00:29:50,033 --> 00:29:52,000
Thank you. Motion by Mr. Barley.

617
00:29:53,133 --> 00:29:55,567
Grant conditional use permit approval. Is there a second, second

618
00:29:55,634 --> 00:29:56,266
by Mr. Green?

619
00:29:57,133 --> 00:29:58,000
Any further discussion.

620
00:29:59,433 --> 00:30:02,500
All those in favor. Aye. Aye. Motion passes.

621
00:30:03,634 --> 00:30:11,066
Passes. All right. Moving along.

622
00:30:13,033 --> 00:30:15,066
On your new business subdivision plan.

623
00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:21,066
Property is located 3 38, 3 40. Can you go Amherst street in

624
00:30:21,066 --> 00:30:22,100
16 airport road?

625
00:30:24,767 --> 00:30:27,033
Mr chairman, I'm gonna, but prior to reading it. Okay,

626
00:30:27,033 --> 00:30:30,100
thank you, Larry. For the record, Mr. Hirsch is recusing

627
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:30,734
himself when.

628
00:30:31,834 --> 00:30:33,100
The next two cases.

629
00:30:36,166 --> 00:30:38,834
There's an associated site plan.

630
00:30:39,834 --> 00:30:41,166
With same property.

631
00:30:42,367 --> 00:30:46,834
Subdivision plan is case a 25 dash 0 46.

632
00:30:47,834 --> 00:30:50,266
And the site plan is case number 8 25.

633
00:30:51,634 --> 00:30:53,100
Dash 0 0 4, 4.

634
00:30:55,133 --> 00:30:56,300
At the board's discretion.

635
00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:00,166
We could potentially take both of these at the same

636
00:31:00,166 --> 00:31:00,533
time.

637
00:31:02,433 --> 00:31:05,100
And if any member of the board is willing to

638
00:31:05,934 --> 00:31:06,500
make a motion.

639
00:31:07,233 --> 00:31:10,033
Regarding completeness and acceptance over those two cases.

640
00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:13,000
Feel free to go for it.

641
00:31:16,667 --> 00:31:20,734
Ms. Harper, Mr. Chair, please. Yes. In regards to new business

642
00:31:20,734 --> 00:31:25,333
subdivision plans case a 25 dash 0 46.

643
00:31:26,867 --> 00:31:27,100
And

644
00:31:28,367 --> 00:31:33,634
new business site plans case a 25 dash 0 0 4 4.

645
00:31:34,467 --> 00:31:36,634
I'd like to make a motion to take Juris addiction.

646
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:41,100
Alright, thank you. Motion by Ms. Harper. Is there a

647
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:41,333
second?

648
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:43,033
Second by Mr. Barley.

649
00:31:44,367 --> 00:31:45,033
Garland any further discussion.

650
00:31:46,667 --> 00:31:50,900
All those in favor. Aye. Aye. All right, Mr. Trough,

651
00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:51,533
let's go right ahead.

652
00:31:58,166 --> 00:32:00,266
Good evening, Mr. Chairman members of the board.

653
00:32:01,333 --> 00:32:04,066
My name is Jim Petros. I'm a professional engineer with

654
00:32:04,066 --> 00:32:05,100
Haner Swanson.

655
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:09,500
Three Congress street, Nashua, New Hampshire tonight representing the law of

656
00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:10,300
family companies.

657
00:32:11,266 --> 00:32:14,033
Brian law is the president. Brian joins us this evening.

658
00:32:15,634 --> 00:32:17,734
It's just read into the record. We have two cases.

659
00:32:18,667 --> 00:32:21,133
With the chair's permission. I'll talk about the lot land

660
00:32:21,133 --> 00:32:22,634
relocation plan first.

661
00:32:23,433 --> 00:32:25,000
And then move into the site plan.

662
00:32:26,033 --> 00:32:28,900
We're here tonight, discussing properties at 3 38.

663
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:33,867
3 43 50 Emer street and 16 airport road.

664
00:32:34,834 --> 00:32:38,066
Three of the four properties have frontage on Amherst street

665
00:32:38,133 --> 00:32:40,133
and over the GB general business zone.

666
00:32:41,033 --> 00:32:41,867
The other lot.

667
00:32:43,233 --> 00:32:44,767
Is long airport road is.

668
00:32:45,533 --> 00:32:46,734
In the park industrial zone.

669
00:32:47,834 --> 00:32:51,066
Currently these buildings, each lot houses, a building.

670
00:32:52,066 --> 00:32:54,033
Lot 98 includes the former.

671
00:32:54,867 --> 00:32:56,166
Global building that will be the subject.

672
00:32:57,066 --> 00:32:59,533
Of our redevelopment application this evening.

673
00:33:00,567 --> 00:33:03,433
Next to it. Lot 97 is the former lead lanes

674
00:33:03,767 --> 00:33:03,867
building.

675
00:33:04,934 --> 00:33:06,834
About 4 79 is the recently.

676
00:33:07,634 --> 00:33:09,133
Constructed retail restaurant development.

677
00:33:10,166 --> 00:33:12,834
And as I mentioned, the airport road parcel as well.

678
00:33:14,033 --> 00:33:16,533
These are very visible sites. I'm sure everybody has been

679
00:33:16,634 --> 00:33:18,567
by them to see them. They're fully developed.

680
00:33:19,433 --> 00:33:21,000
Fairly flat sites fully.

681
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:25,634
Utilized, we do have coal rain Brook behind two of

682
00:33:25,634 --> 00:33:27,066
the three, two of the four lots.

683
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,734
Lots that flows in an Easter redirection.

684
00:33:30,734 --> 00:33:33,300
The lot line relocation plan is up on the screen

685
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:35,734
right now. And it's a simple plan that looks to

686
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,166
just move lot lines slightly.

687
00:33:39,266 --> 00:33:44,634
Between these buildings to ensure conformance with side yard setbacks.

688
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:48,133
Setbacks, not only for this particular.

689
00:33:49,934 --> 00:33:53,834
Action on lot 98, but also for a future site

690
00:33:53,834 --> 00:33:55,033
plan that will be coming forward.

691
00:33:56,033 --> 00:33:58,066
On lot 97 later this summer.

692
00:34:00,066 --> 00:34:02,266
These lot line changes will make each of the four

693
00:34:02,433 --> 00:34:03,734
lots conforming of course.

694
00:34:05,033 --> 00:34:08,834
Law Realty company, law family company will own these lots.

695
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:12,100
Lots and as part of a staff comment,

696
00:34:13,033 --> 00:34:15,266
they've asked to put a, a document on record.

697
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,634
Essentially saying that if they were to sell one of

698
00:34:17,634 --> 00:34:18,066
the parcels.

699
00:34:19,233 --> 00:34:22,100
Parcels that the cross access and parking and utility easements

700
00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:22,667
would be.

701
00:34:23,433 --> 00:34:25,634
Perfected. And we were fine with that.

702
00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:29,266
There are no impacts with the lot line plan to

703
00:34:29,266 --> 00:34:33,300
any public street. We have requested one waiver. Mr. Chairman,

704
00:34:33,767 --> 00:34:36,000
famous section 1 92 81.

705
00:34:36,934 --> 00:34:40,634
Survey within Jason parcels within a thousand feet. And similar

706
00:34:40,700 --> 00:34:41,867
to the case before you.

707
00:34:42,667 --> 00:34:43,900
We seek that relief.

708
00:34:45,867 --> 00:34:47,166
With regard to the site plan.

709
00:34:48,233 --> 00:34:51,000
The site plan that we've submitted focuses on the newly

710
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,100
created lot 98, the former global building.

711
00:34:55,266 --> 00:34:56,133
And there are two purposes.

712
00:34:57,333 --> 00:34:58,900
Purposes for why we're here this evening.

713
00:35:00,066 --> 00:35:03,000
First it's being proposed to change the use.

714
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,033
From a 12,500 square foot. One story building from indoor.

715
00:35:08,934 --> 00:35:11,066
Recreation to a medical services building.

716
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,066
Which is an allowed use.

717
00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:17,066
In the GP zone. And then the second is to

718
00:35:17,066 --> 00:35:20,133
show minor site improvements to complement this new use.

719
00:35:21,233 --> 00:35:24,000
The medical services will go into the building. This is

720
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,166
not a tear down. This is not a new construction.

721
00:35:26,233 --> 00:35:28,033
This is a redevelopment of that building.

722
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:32,567
The medical use is intended to be a free-standing emergency

723
00:35:32,667 --> 00:35:33,033
room.

724
00:35:34,233 --> 00:35:36,900
It will provide the same type care as a hospital

725
00:35:36,934 --> 00:35:37,867
emergency room.

726
00:35:38,934 --> 00:35:40,734
And this use is slightly different than.

727
00:35:41,533 --> 00:35:44,433
Urgent care facilities that you might be familiar with.

728
00:35:45,333 --> 00:35:48,500
They contain advanced equipment and they contain a higher level

729
00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:49,100
of care.

730
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,000
Urgent care. You may have a cold or a flu

731
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,667
or an ankle sprain. You would go there.

732
00:35:56,367 --> 00:35:58,634
This type use is servicing.

733
00:35:59,433 --> 00:36:02,100
Cardiac arrest stroke, broken bones or trauma.

734
00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:05,667
It is a 24 7 facility.

735
00:36:06,867 --> 00:36:08,900
Over the course of the day, they would have 30

736
00:36:09,033 --> 00:36:09,533
staff members.

737
00:36:10,734 --> 00:36:14,066
And on a typical day, they see approximately 30 patients.

738
00:36:15,066 --> 00:36:18,000
Patients, the average length to visit is between 90 and

739
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,033
120 minutes.

740
00:36:20,033 --> 00:36:22,734
And there's no overnight stay at this facility.

741
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:26,033
So that's the ch the change of use piece of

742
00:36:26,033 --> 00:36:26,166
this.

743
00:36:27,233 --> 00:36:30,100
Second piece of the site, improvements that go along with

744
00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:31,734
it and you can make it those out on the

745
00:36:31,734 --> 00:36:32,133
site plan.

746
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:35,900
We're maintaining our right turn in, right. Turn out. Curb.

747
00:36:36,033 --> 00:36:37,433
Cut on Amber street.

748
00:36:38,867 --> 00:36:42,266
We are planning for future driveway connections to the west.

749
00:36:43,233 --> 00:36:44,734
Through the little lane site.

750
00:36:45,533 --> 00:36:49,033
And through the recently constructed law retail site.

751
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:53,834
To create that interconnectivity between these three Amer street, lots.

752
00:36:54,867 --> 00:36:56,433
Lots. And what that does is allow.

753
00:36:58,634 --> 00:37:00,500
Patients or visitors or staff.

754
00:37:01,533 --> 00:37:03,367
Looking to head west on Amer street because Amer Street's

755
00:37:03,367 --> 00:37:04,133
a divided way.

756
00:37:05,133 --> 00:37:07,634
To work through the law sites to am airport road,

757
00:37:07,867 --> 00:37:09,867
take a right, get to Amherst street at the signal.

758
00:37:10,867 --> 00:37:11,133
In head west.

759
00:37:13,433 --> 00:37:17,033
The parking lot will be reconstructed 31 spaces are required

760
00:37:17,033 --> 00:37:19,066
by code or proposing 46.

761
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,000
Behind the building is a covered ambulance.

762
00:37:23,233 --> 00:37:26,166
Access to the building. There's also a dumpster and a

763
00:37:26,166 --> 00:37:28,867
generator PA pad in the back of the site as

764
00:37:28,867 --> 00:37:29,000
well.

765
00:37:30,233 --> 00:37:34,667
Utilities will remain. There'll be new signage, new lighting, new

766
00:37:35,066 --> 00:37:35,367
landscaping.

767
00:37:36,367 --> 00:37:38,066
With regard to stormwater currently.

768
00:37:39,066 --> 00:37:41,634
This site, just chief James, right into Cole, rain Brook

769
00:37:41,634 --> 00:37:42,100
in the back.

770
00:37:43,467 --> 00:37:45,767
In redevelopment sites, we're looking to improve.

771
00:37:46,667 --> 00:37:49,300
The condition, we do have more open space than the

772
00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:51,567
current condition, so that will help quantity wise.

773
00:37:52,367 --> 00:37:55,433
Quantity-wise quality-wise we didn't have a lot of options. We've

774
00:37:55,433 --> 00:37:57,867
got high ground water out there. We've got some suitable

775
00:37:57,867 --> 00:37:58,066
soils.

776
00:37:59,066 --> 00:38:01,000
Soils we're proposing a mechanical device.

777
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:04,500
That will seek to remove a lot of the particular

778
00:38:04,567 --> 00:38:07,000
that comes off of parking lots, such as this.

779
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,667
Traffic Mr. Chairman, your favorite subject.

780
00:38:11,634 --> 00:38:14,033
Is a traffic report was submitted.

781
00:38:14,867 --> 00:38:16,000
As part of our application.

782
00:38:17,133 --> 00:38:20,333
They're very low numbers, 27 trips in the am. Peak

783
00:38:20,333 --> 00:38:22,000
30 trips in the PM. Peak.

784
00:38:22,867 --> 00:38:25,266
PMP about 450 trips trips overall.

785
00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:29,133
And they're replacing again, a rec indoor recreational.

786
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:31,433
Facility. So a full store.

787
00:38:32,767 --> 00:38:33,834
Traffic study was not warranted.

788
00:38:35,066 --> 00:38:37,634
Building elevations Connor. If you could call up, there's a

789
00:38:37,634 --> 00:38:39,066
couple graphics on the buildings.

790
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,367
Buildings really just an enhancement of the building that exists

791
00:38:43,367 --> 00:38:45,333
out there right now. New doors, new windows.

792
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:46,367
New canopies.

793
00:38:48,767 --> 00:38:51,266
Screening of the HVAC units on top of the building.

794
00:38:53,033 --> 00:38:53,266
We're

795
00:38:54,867 --> 00:38:59,000
it's it's viewed as a, a pretty good improvement architecturally.

796
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:03,367
Over what's there today. The site plan contains two waiver

797
00:39:03,367 --> 00:39:03,767
items.

798
00:39:05,166 --> 00:39:09,567
The first is survey 1 92 79.

799
00:39:10,467 --> 00:39:12,667
Survey within a thousand feet that you're familiar with.

800
00:39:13,734 --> 00:39:18,100
The second is certain architectural standards, dimensional standards, building materials.

801
00:39:19,066 --> 00:39:22,533
Materials as an example, Mr. Chairman, the, the code requires

802
00:39:22,634 --> 00:39:24,533
a customer of entrance off of public street.

803
00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:28,333
The entrance to the building is inward it's facing towards

804
00:39:28,333 --> 00:39:31,033
the lead lane site. We're looking to maintain that. So

805
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:33,367
we have an architectural waiver letter as well.

806
00:39:35,433 --> 00:39:38,767
With permission. This evening work is expected to start this

807
00:39:38,767 --> 00:39:41,834
fall of 2025 with an opening in 2026.

808
00:39:43,033 --> 00:39:46,834
We believe our applications conform to the national land use

809
00:39:46,834 --> 00:39:47,000
code.

810
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:51,100
The conditions of approval as outlined in the staff report

811
00:39:51,133 --> 00:39:53,000
are acceptable to our client.

812
00:39:53,934 --> 00:39:56,266
And we respectfully seek your approval this evening.

813
00:39:57,367 --> 00:39:58,667
And I'm happy to answer questions.

814
00:39:59,834 --> 00:40:01,033
Questions. Thank you.

815
00:40:03,066 --> 00:40:03,634
Questions from the board.

816
00:40:05,300 --> 00:40:07,066
Mr barley, please. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

817
00:40:08,300 --> 00:40:12,100
Just I'm curious, given the nature of the use.

818
00:40:13,233 --> 00:40:14,767
Where it's gonna be a healthcare facility.

819
00:40:15,834 --> 00:40:17,000
Do is there.

820
00:40:18,533 --> 00:40:19,767
Is the proposed

821
00:40:20,567 --> 00:40:23,734
tenant already in the process of seeking licensure for the

822
00:40:24,033 --> 00:40:24,533
facility? Yes, sir.

823
00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:28,734
In is there, I'm assuming you've got some process by

824
00:40:28,734 --> 00:40:29,133
which the.

825
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:33,066
The development is conditioned upon them receiving that approval or

826
00:40:33,066 --> 00:40:35,066
how, how are you anticipating that would work. Yes. Yes.

827
00:40:35,066 --> 00:40:35,266
Yes.

828
00:40:36,166 --> 00:40:36,667
Thank you.

829
00:40:38,467 --> 00:40:41,133
There's certain state for everybody else. There's certain state approvals

830
00:40:41,133 --> 00:40:44,033
associated with a facility such as this they're going through

831
00:40:44,033 --> 00:40:44,734
that process now.

832
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:48,533
Other questions from the board.

833
00:40:50,834 --> 00:40:54,066
I just have one question. You had mentioned that.

834
00:40:55,066 --> 00:40:58,500
That predominantly there, the cases that would be coming and

835
00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:00,333
could be like, you know, heart attack or what have

836
00:41:00,333 --> 00:41:00,867
you. So.

837
00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:04,066
At the, this facility, they would be doing the initial

838
00:41:04,066 --> 00:41:06,300
treatment. Yes. And then moving them to the hospital. Yes.

839
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:08,133
At that point. Okay. Yeah. Thank you.

840
00:41:11,033 --> 00:41:11,634
Thank you.

841
00:41:12,367 --> 00:41:14,000
Other questions from the board at this time.

842
00:41:19,433 --> 00:41:22,266
Okay. Scene none. Thank you. Thank you. We'll open this

843
00:41:22,266 --> 00:41:24,667
up to the public. Is there anyone in the audience

844
00:41:24,667 --> 00:41:27,634
that would like to speak in opposition or with concern

845
00:41:27,667 --> 00:41:28,533
to this application?

846
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,634
Is there anyone in the audience I would like to

847
00:41:33,634 --> 00:41:35,033
speak in favor of this application.

848
00:41:38,266 --> 00:41:40,533
Seeing none. I'll toss it back to the board. One

849
00:41:40,533 --> 00:41:41,000
more time.

850
00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:44,166
Any further questions from the board.

851
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:46,266
All right.

852
00:41:47,266 --> 00:41:50,367
At this time I will close the public hearing. We'll

853
00:41:50,367 --> 00:41:52,300
go into our deliberation.

854
00:41:56,433 --> 00:41:57,533
My general thoughts.

855
00:41:58,467 --> 00:42:00,333
Thoughts will be on the waivers at least.

856
00:42:02,533 --> 00:42:04,533
We do see the thousand foot come up a lot.

857
00:42:05,166 --> 00:42:06,066
The architectural.

858
00:42:07,066 --> 00:42:09,333
I'm a little less concerned with, if.

859
00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:12,100
If, if it helps them sort of salvage.

860
00:42:12,934 --> 00:42:14,266
You know, kind of the core of the building there.

861
00:42:16,066 --> 00:42:17,834
I wouldn't want to force him to swing the door

862
00:42:17,867 --> 00:42:18,100
and.

863
00:42:19,066 --> 00:42:21,567
If it's front facing to Amherst street, that's not necessarily.

864
00:42:22,467 --> 00:42:24,000
Appealing for folks that

865
00:42:25,133 --> 00:42:27,100
may seek care there. So.

866
00:42:28,867 --> 00:42:32,433
My, my, my, my short 2 cents for now. But obviously

867
00:42:33,066 --> 00:42:34,567
I'd love to hear from the board, if you have

868
00:42:34,567 --> 00:42:36,266
any other thoughts or, or comments on this.

869
00:42:42,734 --> 00:42:43,433
Seeing none.

870
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,634
The fun stuff. So

871
00:42:51,634 --> 00:42:53,100
I think similar to

872
00:42:55,166 --> 00:42:56,033
the last case.

873
00:42:57,033 --> 00:42:59,734
We would want to take up the lot line.

874
00:43:00,567 --> 00:43:04,333
Adjustment first. So that would be case a 25.

875
00:43:05,333 --> 00:43:08,100
Dash 0 46.

876
00:43:09,867 --> 00:43:12,533
And firstly, we would need to address.

877
00:43:13,333 --> 00:43:15,567
The waiver related to, to.

878
00:43:16,567 --> 00:43:19,033
The thousand foot property line. Excon.

879
00:43:20,667 --> 00:43:22,500
Is any member of the board willing to make a

880
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:22,734
motion?

881
00:43:23,634 --> 00:43:25,000
Regarding the waiver request.

882
00:43:26,033 --> 00:43:27,133
On the subdivision plan.

883
00:43:31,033 --> 00:43:31,333
Mr. Riley.

884
00:43:32,567 --> 00:43:35,033
Yes, Mr. Chairman, I would make a motion to.

885
00:43:36,767 --> 00:43:41,100
Grant the waiver request with respect to the lot line.

886
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:44,500
Application a 25 dash 0 46.

887
00:43:46,066 --> 00:43:46,166
That

888
00:43:47,634 --> 00:43:51,100
request being for a waiver from one 90 dash 2 82,

889
00:43:51,066 --> 00:43:51,667
BK nine.

890
00:43:52,767 --> 00:43:55,266
Relating to showing existing conditions within a thousand feet.

891
00:43:56,233 --> 00:43:59,834
And that motion to approve would be with a finding

892
00:43:59,834 --> 00:44:03,066
that strict conformity would pose an unnecessary hardship.

893
00:44:04,033 --> 00:44:07,000
And that the specific circumstances or conditions of the site.

894
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,066
Indicate that the granting of the waiver will.

895
00:44:11,066 --> 00:44:13,266
Allow for properly carrying out the spirit intent to the

896
00:44:13,266 --> 00:44:13,900
regulations.

897
00:44:15,233 --> 00:44:18,000
Thank you motion by Mr. Barley. Is there a second?

898
00:44:19,066 --> 00:44:19,900
Second by Mr. Green.

899
00:44:21,133 --> 00:44:22,066
Any further discussion.

900
00:44:23,433 --> 00:44:26,634
All those in favor. Aye. Aye. Motion passes.

901
00:44:27,634 --> 00:44:30,000
Passes. Would you like to continue Mr. Barley? Sure.

902
00:44:31,433 --> 00:44:34,100
So I now like to make a motion to grant

903
00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:34,834
final approval.

904
00:44:35,634 --> 00:44:40,133
As to case a 25 dash 0 46. Again, the lot

905
00:44:40,133 --> 00:44:40,500
line.

906
00:44:41,333 --> 00:44:43,000
Adjustment and

907
00:44:44,033 --> 00:44:45,533
that would be a fine with a finding that the

908
00:44:45,934 --> 00:44:49,634
plan does meet the, the criteria outlined in subdivision, NL

909
00:44:49,634 --> 00:44:51,567
section 19 dash one 30 ag.

910
00:44:52,567 --> 00:44:54,567
G sub subject to the following.

911
00:44:55,433 --> 00:44:57,100
Subsequent conditions that are listed in the.

912
00:44:58,100 --> 00:44:59,133
Staff report a through E.

913
00:45:00,467 --> 00:45:03,133
Thank you. Motion. Aye. Mr. Barley, is there a second?

914
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,100
Second by Mr. Green.

915
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:07,266
Any further discussion.

916
00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:09,667
All those in favor.

917
00:45:10,867 --> 00:45:12,533
Aye. Aye. Motion passes.

918
00:45:13,700 --> 00:45:17,066
Passes. So next would be taking up the site plan

919
00:45:17,233 --> 00:45:22,066
application case 8 25 dash 0 44.

920
00:45:23,066 --> 00:45:24,834
And we would need to.

921
00:45:26,533 --> 00:45:27,100
Address.

922
00:45:28,033 --> 00:45:29,867
Two waiver request first.

923
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:32,033
Any member of the board willing to.

924
00:45:32,934 --> 00:45:35,266
Make a motion regarding the waiver request.

925
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:39,033
For case 8 25 dash 0 4 4.

926
00:45:42,367 --> 00:45:45,433
Mr barley, please. I might as well. keep going

927
00:45:45,433 --> 00:45:45,900
along here.

928
00:45:47,066 --> 00:45:48,100
Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

929
00:45:49,500 --> 00:45:52,033
I would make a motion as to 8 25.

930
00:45:52,767 --> 00:45:54,133
0 0 4, 4.

931
00:45:55,266 --> 00:45:58,000
With respect to the two requested waivers to.

932
00:46:00,133 --> 00:46:01,367
Make a motion to approve.

933
00:46:02,433 --> 00:46:04,900
Both. And those are specifically.

934
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,300
A waiver request from section one 90 dash 2 79, EE.

935
00:46:10,934 --> 00:46:14,433
Again, relating to showing existing conditions on adjacent parcels.

936
00:46:15,834 --> 00:46:16,767
Parcels and second

937
00:46:18,100 --> 00:46:20,166
from section one 90 dash 1 72.

938
00:46:21,133 --> 00:46:23,767
To waive certain architectural standards for non-residential buildings.

939
00:46:24,767 --> 00:46:28,367
Buildings, including requirement to have customer entrances on all sides.

940
00:46:30,533 --> 00:46:32,133
And as to both of those.

941
00:46:33,133 --> 00:46:36,000
Waiver requests, the motion we've made with the finding that

942
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,133
strick conformity would pose a unnecessary hardship.

943
00:46:39,066 --> 00:46:41,900
And that the specific circumstances or conditions of the site.

944
00:46:42,667 --> 00:46:43,734
Indicate that granting the waivers.

945
00:46:44,934 --> 00:46:46,867
Waivers will still allow for properly carrying out the spirit

946
00:46:46,867 --> 00:46:48,033
and intent of the regulations.

947
00:46:49,066 --> 00:46:51,000
Alright, thank you, Mr. Barley.

948
00:46:52,033 --> 00:46:53,767
Motion by Mr. Barley, is there a second?

949
00:46:55,266 --> 00:46:56,367
Second by Mr. Hudson.

950
00:46:57,533 --> 00:46:58,634
Any further discussion.

951
00:47:00,133 --> 00:47:00,867
All those in favor.

952
00:47:02,133 --> 00:47:03,533
Aye motion passes.

953
00:47:04,767 --> 00:47:07,166
Passes. Do you want, I'll close it out. Mr. Chair.

954
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:08,333
Okay. Sure. Yeah.

955
00:47:09,767 --> 00:47:14,100
Again, as to new business, a 25 dash 0 44.

956
00:47:15,233 --> 00:47:18,433
Site plan. I would like to make a motion.

957
00:47:20,233 --> 00:47:22,266
To grant final approval.

958
00:47:26,367 --> 00:47:28,667
And that final approval would be.

959
00:47:29,734 --> 00:47:31,734
With the subsequent conditions.

960
00:47:32,567 --> 00:47:35,066
Listed a through M in the staff report.

961
00:47:36,367 --> 00:47:40,100
Mr actually should second it before we discuss it or,

962
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:43,100
oh, it was just gonna say motion by Mr. Barley.

963
00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:45,133
Yeah, I think you should second it, oh, I'll second

964
00:47:45,166 --> 00:47:47,133
it. And second, second. Can I speak to my second?

965
00:47:47,333 --> 00:47:50,734
I'll second by Mr. Hudson. Any further discussion? Yes. Mr.

966
00:47:50,734 --> 00:47:52,867
Hudson, please. Yes, please. Mr. Chair.

967
00:47:54,667 --> 00:47:58,033
Condition E can be struck because the traffic related.

968
00:47:58,867 --> 00:48:01,000
Comment that Wayne husband had was, was incorporated in item

969
00:48:01,133 --> 00:48:01,300
B.

970
00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:05,567
Okay. Condition D so that, that, that E can go

971
00:48:05,567 --> 00:48:07,433
away and reembered accordingly.

972
00:48:08,367 --> 00:48:09,867
Okay. I, Mr. Chair, I will.

973
00:48:10,667 --> 00:48:13,066
Amend my motion with that clarification.

974
00:48:14,433 --> 00:48:15,333
Still being an approval.

975
00:48:16,367 --> 00:48:17,900
With subsequent conditions, but

976
00:48:18,667 --> 00:48:20,533
removing original condition.

977
00:48:21,533 --> 00:48:24,066
E and re lettering accordingly.

978
00:48:25,133 --> 00:48:27,333
I'll re second that motion, Mr. Chair. All right. Motion

979
00:48:27,433 --> 00:48:29,667
by Mr. Varley. Second by Mr. Hudson.

980
00:48:30,634 --> 00:48:31,667
Any further discussion.

981
00:48:33,700 --> 00:48:34,500
All those in favor.

982
00:48:35,867 --> 00:48:37,000
Aye motion.

983
00:48:37,900 --> 00:48:39,300
Motion passes. Thank you very much.

984
00:48:45,900 --> 00:48:46,000
Moving along.

985
00:48:50,834 --> 00:48:53,767
Just so folks, if anyone was here for 55, a

986
00:48:53,767 --> 00:48:55,000
middle unstable road,

987
00:48:55,834 --> 00:48:58,033
that case has been postponed will not be heard this

988
00:48:58,033 --> 00:48:58,266
evening.

989
00:49:00,433 --> 00:49:05,133
Next case under new business case number a 25 dash

990
00:49:05,867 --> 00:49:07,033
0 31.

991
00:49:08,033 --> 00:49:11,000
Property is located at 46 and eight domain avenue.

992
00:49:12,033 --> 00:49:15,333
Has any member of the board reviewed that application is

993
00:49:15,333 --> 00:49:18,433
willing to make a motion regarding completeness and board acceptance

994
00:49:18,433 --> 00:49:19,033
of projects.

995
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,767
Projects Mr. Chair, Ms. Harper, please. I'd like to make

996
00:49:24,834 --> 00:49:28,300
a motion to take jurisdiction of case new business site

997
00:49:28,333 --> 00:49:32,734
plans case a 25 dash 0 0 3 31. Alright, thank you, Ms.

998
00:49:32,734 --> 00:49:34,767
Harper in there a second.

999
00:49:36,867 --> 00:49:38,066
Second by Mr. Hirsch.

1000
00:49:39,133 --> 00:49:40,133
Any further discussion.

1001
00:49:41,934 --> 00:49:42,667
All those in favor.

1002
00:49:43,533 --> 00:49:46,767
Aye. Aye. And also just note for the record, Mr.

1003
00:49:46,767 --> 00:49:49,100
Hirsch has rejoined us for, for this case.

1004
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,767
The floor is your, is us introduce yourself and tell

1005
00:49:54,767 --> 00:49:57,000
us a little bit about what's going on over on

1006
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,300
domain. Good evening, everyone. My name is Dan Borowski I'm

1007
00:50:00,300 --> 00:50:03,433
with Fieldstone land consultants. I'm here tonight on behalf of

1008
00:50:04,166 --> 00:50:07,367
Gina Mac property Cing site plan approval.

1009
00:50:08,367 --> 00:50:11,433
Or an amended site plan approval for four, six, and

1010
00:50:11,433 --> 00:50:13,100
eight domain development.

1011
00:50:14,300 --> 00:50:17,133
This plan, this site plan was approved in 2022.

1012
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:19,734
And we're seeking a small.

1013
00:50:20,734 --> 00:50:24,433
Amendment here. The changes are really a decreased.

1014
00:50:25,333 --> 00:50:27,867
Front setback on the Western units.

1015
00:50:31,066 --> 00:50:31,567
G through

1016
00:50:33,033 --> 00:50:36,500
G through M I'm sorry, small font and, and it,

1017
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:39,166
and it decreased rear setback for the.

1018
00:50:40,367 --> 00:50:42,066
It's the units in the PI mu district.

1019
00:50:43,066 --> 00:50:43,867
U district on the Western of the lot.

1020
00:50:45,133 --> 00:50:48,133
The front impact would be reduced from 30 feet to

1021
00:50:48,133 --> 00:50:51,000
about 18 feet. And the rear setback would be reduced

1022
00:50:51,033 --> 00:50:51,133
from.

1023
00:50:52,166 --> 00:50:54,300
20 feet to about 10 feet.

1024
00:50:55,133 --> 00:50:58,133
We had originally submitted a, a variance for this request,

1025
00:50:58,734 --> 00:51:02,033
but then staff directed us that sense we're requesting this.

1026
00:51:03,066 --> 00:51:05,166
In the P I M U district at this board

1027
00:51:05,233 --> 00:51:08,133
is really the proper avenue to, to seek this relief.

1028
00:51:09,133 --> 00:51:12,433
Because you have the ability to vary the dimensional requirements

1029
00:51:12,734 --> 00:51:14,066
for this district.

1030
00:51:15,467 --> 00:51:18,166
So along with this change, we've, you know, this change.

1031
00:51:19,834 --> 00:51:22,867
Team about with about 4,000 extra square feet of impervious

1032
00:51:22,934 --> 00:51:25,734
area. So we've extended the.

1033
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,100
The trench in the rear of the property for stormwater

1034
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:34,533
drainage.

1035
00:51:35,567 --> 00:51:39,367
Accordingly. And we've submitted a stormwater letter to that effect.

1036
00:51:41,467 --> 00:51:44,433
We've also added some plantings for the front and rear

1037
00:51:44,433 --> 00:51:45,300
of the lot as well.

1038
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:50,500
And in addition to those changes, we've also removed the

1039
00:51:50,533 --> 00:51:52,266
decks off the front of the lots to.

1040
00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:56,300
Kind of decrease the impact that we're having on the

1041
00:51:56,300 --> 00:51:56,533
setback.

1042
00:51:57,533 --> 00:51:59,100
But overall, we think that this would make for a

1043
00:51:59,100 --> 00:52:00,133
much more uniform.

1044
00:52:01,133 --> 00:52:03,767
Looking building and a much more marginable site.

1045
00:52:04,567 --> 00:52:05,734
So I'd be happy to answer any questions.

1046
00:52:06,867 --> 00:52:09,433
Questions. Just a couple of quick ones, if I may.

1047
00:52:10,133 --> 00:52:12,900
So the number, number of units that were originally proposed

1048
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,634
is not James. Exactly the same. We are originally proposed

1049
00:52:16,634 --> 00:52:17,033
units.

1050
00:52:22,033 --> 00:52:22,100
So

1051
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:27,767
this was the approved site plan from 2022. And you

1052
00:52:27,767 --> 00:52:29,100
can see that there are much smaller units.

1053
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:31,567
On the Western side of the lot.

1054
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,066
So the, the main complaint that the development across the

1055
00:52:37,066 --> 00:52:39,066
street has gotten is that the living rooms are pretty

1056
00:52:39,066 --> 00:52:40,000
small. So.

1057
00:52:41,233 --> 00:52:43,533
We'd like to just mirror or use the same exact

1058
00:52:43,734 --> 00:52:45,634
building footprint on the east side of the lot as

1059
00:52:45,634 --> 00:52:46,133
the west side of the lot.

1060
00:52:47,467 --> 00:52:50,500
Okay, thank you for that clarification. And I, I guess

1061
00:52:50,533 --> 00:52:54,033
my, my one follow up would be despite the increase

1062
00:52:54,033 --> 00:52:56,500
in impervious, it doesn't look like you're seeking any waivers.

1063
00:52:56,634 --> 00:52:56,867
So.

1064
00:52:57,700 --> 00:53:00,100
Dimensionally. This is still all within. Yep.

1065
00:53:00,934 --> 00:53:03,266
Within the ordinance. It, it is. We still meet the

1066
00:53:03,433 --> 00:53:04,734
impervious for each zone.

1067
00:53:05,734 --> 00:53:09,100
And storm water, the increase the storm water was handled

1068
00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:11,166
with just a, a slight increase in the.

1069
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:14,066
Proposed measures that were already proposed.

1070
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,066
Okay, thank you.

1071
00:53:17,533 --> 00:53:18,533
Questions from other members of the board.

1072
00:53:20,033 --> 00:53:20,900
Mr. Hudson, please.

1073
00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:24,500
Thank you, Mr. Chair, you may have mentioned it, but

1074
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:26,533
you are. You're removing all the decks too. Is that

1075
00:53:26,533 --> 00:53:28,734
true? Yeah, we've removed them. Okay. Correct.

1076
00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:32,734
And I would just know that this latest plan, I

1077
00:53:32,734 --> 00:53:35,500
think, engineering received on Monday. So we haven't had a

1078
00:53:35,500 --> 00:53:37,066
chance to fully re review it.

1079
00:53:38,100 --> 00:53:39,133
We received the one plan.

1080
00:53:40,166 --> 00:53:44,100
Not a full set. So, you know, the, the, the,

1081
00:53:44,133 --> 00:53:45,433
the notation about.

1082
00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:47,333
We've extended the

1083
00:53:48,934 --> 00:53:50,867
you know, stone trench and this, that, and the other

1084
00:53:50,867 --> 00:53:52,767
thing, we just, there's some final details that we need

1085
00:53:52,767 --> 00:53:55,033
to work through. We didn't, we did not in issue

1086
00:53:55,066 --> 00:53:57,000
a letter and there was a condition in the report.

1087
00:53:57,100 --> 00:53:57,367
I would just.

1088
00:53:58,467 --> 00:53:59,367
Ask that would be provided.

1089
00:54:01,133 --> 00:54:04,033
An opportunity to further consult with, with the applicant.

1090
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,133
Just to confirm that everything's been addressed. I.

1091
00:54:08,166 --> 00:54:10,100
Seems to make sense. It doesn't seem like a whole

1092
00:54:10,100 --> 00:54:12,667
lot of additional impervious. So it sounds, I.

1093
00:54:13,533 --> 00:54:15,734
Concur that probably they adequately addressed it, but we just

1094
00:54:15,734 --> 00:54:18,667
wanna see those details before we sign off. So I,

1095
00:54:18,867 --> 00:54:20,834
I appreciate that. And Mr. Hudson, do you think that

1096
00:54:20,834 --> 00:54:24,367
should be yeah. Explicitly as a condition? Yeah. Condition C

1097
00:54:25,133 --> 00:54:28,533
referencing an anticipating E email from one hus and we

1098
00:54:28,533 --> 00:54:29,634
have an issued one. So.

1099
00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:34,033
I just revise that to be something like, you know,

1100
00:54:35,066 --> 00:54:36,100
final plans to be

1101
00:54:37,133 --> 00:54:41,867
addressed. I mean, previous comments to be addressed as satisfaction,

1102
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:42,100
I guess.

1103
00:54:43,066 --> 00:54:44,500
All so potentially see, see, I think there was an

1104
00:54:44,500 --> 00:54:46,667
outstanding comment from the previous, right.

1105
00:54:47,433 --> 00:54:49,500
Approval, which hasn't been fully dressed made. Oh, actually they're

1106
00:54:49,533 --> 00:54:51,734
changing things. So anyway, we gotta address.

1107
00:54:52,734 --> 00:54:54,166
We need to go through and dot the dot the

1108
00:54:54,166 --> 00:54:56,667
I cross Ts. So some condition to that effect, we,

1109
00:54:56,700 --> 00:54:59,166
we could wordsmith condition, see a little bit, I think,

1110
00:54:59,166 --> 00:55:02,900
in a way that would satisfy public works. Yeah. Appreciate

1111
00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:03,166
that. Thank you.

1112
00:55:04,166 --> 00:55:08,000
Excellent. Other questions from the board Ms. Harper, please. Yes.

1113
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,834
Thank you, Mr chair, just curious. Are there any other

1114
00:55:10,834 --> 00:55:13,133
major changes to the exterior of the building besides.

1115
00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:15,300
It's removing the decks that we should be aware of.

1116
00:55:15,634 --> 00:55:19,000
Nope. Just making the, the smaller unions larger and removing

1117
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,533
the decks. And we added some landscaping in front of

1118
00:55:22,533 --> 00:55:22,834
the buildings.

1119
00:55:24,033 --> 00:55:25,900
Buildings. So that would be different than the previous plan,

1120
00:55:25,934 --> 00:55:28,567
correct? We, and so where the decks were, we had.

1121
00:55:28,900 --> 00:55:29,100
Okay.

1122
00:55:30,100 --> 00:55:32,500
Revised and added some more shrubs to, to increase the

1123
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:32,900
screening.

1124
00:55:33,900 --> 00:55:36,266
Understood. Thank you. I guess, as a follow up to

1125
00:55:36,266 --> 00:55:39,333
that, when a full plan set is completed, we'll revise,

1126
00:55:39,333 --> 00:55:41,000
architectural. Be part of that.

1127
00:55:41,900 --> 00:55:45,133
Place or yes, they, they can be because we've already

1128
00:55:45,133 --> 00:55:47,133
submitted the architecturals I believe for the.

1129
00:55:48,166 --> 00:55:50,266
Eastern half and we're proposing the same, you know, same

1130
00:55:50,500 --> 00:55:50,567
building.

1131
00:55:51,934 --> 00:55:55,033
Yeah, I would just kindly request the next submittal to

1132
00:55:55,033 --> 00:55:58,100
the city is and complete plan set, full, full plan

1133
00:55:58,100 --> 00:56:00,900
set. Yes, sir. Helpful for everybody. So.

1134
00:56:02,834 --> 00:56:04,000
Other questions from the board.

1135
00:56:07,767 --> 00:56:10,300
All right. Seeing none at this time. Thank you for

1136
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:12,100
your testimony. I'm gonna open it up to the public.

1137
00:56:13,166 --> 00:56:15,133
Is there anyone in the audience that would like to

1138
00:56:15,133 --> 00:56:17,367
speak in opposition or with concern to this application?

1139
00:56:19,767 --> 00:56:20,500
Seeing none.

1140
00:56:21,533 --> 00:56:23,066
Is there anyone that would like to speak in favor

1141
00:56:23,066 --> 00:56:23,867
of this application?

1142
00:56:28,066 --> 00:56:29,567
Go back to the board. One more time.

1143
00:56:32,033 --> 00:56:32,300
All right.

1144
00:56:34,166 --> 00:56:36,333
At this point, I am gonna close the public hearing.

1145
00:56:36,333 --> 00:56:38,066
We'll go into our deliberation.

1146
00:56:41,634 --> 00:56:44,367
I, I think overall to me, this seems like.

1147
00:56:45,133 --> 00:56:48,500
Barely minor changes that that said I don't want to

1148
00:56:48,634 --> 00:56:49,000
deny.

1149
00:56:50,100 --> 00:56:51,066
Dan and his staff.

1150
00:56:52,166 --> 00:56:54,166
A full lighted, the apple. So I, I think Dan,

1151
00:56:54,166 --> 00:56:57,066
thank you for pointing that haven't had a chance yet

1152
00:56:57,133 --> 00:56:58,767
to review a full plan. So.

1153
00:57:00,066 --> 00:57:03,033
But just based on the prior history with, with this

1154
00:57:03,033 --> 00:57:05,033
application, I, I would hope that.

1155
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:08,900
There's there's nothing too severe that they can't be worked

1156
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:11,667
through, but obviously I'd like to hear from other members

1157
00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:12,100
of the board.

1158
00:57:13,433 --> 00:57:15,100
If you have any additional thoughts on this one?

1159
00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:19,900
Mr barley, please. No specific thoughts. Just a question for

1160
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:20,834
staff. Mm-hmm .

1161
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:22,634
In, in terms of the.

1162
00:57:24,033 --> 00:57:24,867
Dimensional modification.

1163
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:27,567
I just wanna clarify that this is.

1164
00:57:29,033 --> 00:57:30,500
The standard here is not.

1165
00:57:31,233 --> 00:57:32,634
The waiver standard, but it's just.

1166
00:57:34,066 --> 00:57:35,367
We're determining that the

1167
00:57:36,367 --> 00:57:39,000
the modification is consistent with the site suitability standards. Is

1168
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:39,300
that right?

1169
00:57:40,166 --> 00:57:43,500
Yeah, the site suitability, you're going into two different setbacks

1170
00:57:43,667 --> 00:57:46,266
and you're enlarging the building a bit. So that will

1171
00:57:46,266 --> 00:57:48,266
fit under that category. Right. Thank you.

1172
00:57:50,066 --> 00:57:50,433
Thank you.

1173
00:57:52,100 --> 00:57:53,500
Other questions or comments?

1174
00:57:54,667 --> 00:57:58,100
Comments scene none.

1175
00:58:01,133 --> 00:58:03,567
Would any member of the board, I guess.

1176
00:58:05,634 --> 00:58:09,734
I guess we're looking for two separate motions here. One

1177
00:58:09,734 --> 00:58:11,367
would be to grant the first would be to grant

1178
00:58:11,467 --> 00:58:13,100
the dimensional modifications approval.

1179
00:58:15,100 --> 00:58:16,000
And member of the board.

1180
00:58:16,834 --> 00:58:18,066
Feel comfortable making a motion.

1181
00:58:19,133 --> 00:58:21,667
Regarding the dimensional modification approval.

1182
00:58:24,133 --> 00:58:26,300
Mr. Barley. Yes. Mr. Chair.

1183
00:58:27,266 --> 00:58:31,634
So as to new business, a 25 dash 31 site

1184
00:58:31,634 --> 00:58:32,133
plan amendment.

1185
00:58:33,066 --> 00:58:34,834
I would first make a motion to.

1186
00:58:35,634 --> 00:58:38,433
Grant the requested dimensional modification.

1187
00:58:39,533 --> 00:58:42,133
In particular in reliance on the.

1188
00:58:43,233 --> 00:58:48,367
Applicant's site plan suitability report dated April 25th, 2025.

1189
00:58:49,333 --> 00:58:54,066
And finding that granting this modification will be consistent with

1190
00:58:54,033 --> 00:58:54,300
the.

1191
00:58:55,066 --> 00:58:58,567
Site suitability standards under section one 90 dash 23 F.

1192
00:58:59,166 --> 00:59:02,100
Thank you. Motion by Mr. Varley. Is there a second?

1193
00:59:03,500 --> 00:59:04,734
Second by Mr. Hirsch.

1194
00:59:06,133 --> 00:59:07,000
Any further discussion.

1195
00:59:08,533 --> 00:59:09,300
All those in favor.

1196
00:59:10,233 --> 00:59:12,100
Aye. Aye. Motion passes.

1197
00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:15,133
Mr. Barley. I hate to do it to you, but

1198
00:59:15,233 --> 00:59:17,266
would you, would you care to continue? Yeah, I'm on

1199
00:59:17,266 --> 00:59:20,133
roll here. All right. Yeah. So as to do business,

1200
00:59:20,166 --> 00:59:24,433
a 25 dash 0 3 0 0 3 1 site plan amendment.

1201
00:59:25,867 --> 00:59:28,000
I would like to make a motion now to grant.

1202
00:59:29,066 --> 00:59:30,066
Final approval for

1203
00:59:31,467 --> 00:59:32,066
the amendment

1204
00:59:34,767 --> 00:59:35,100
and that.

1205
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,033
Motion was with the finding that the application does meet

1206
00:59:38,033 --> 00:59:42,100
the requirements outlined in section one 90 dash 1 46 D.

1207
00:59:43,033 --> 00:59:45,000
Subject to several subsequent conditions.

1208
00:59:46,100 --> 00:59:46,867
And I would like to.

1209
00:59:48,367 --> 00:59:49,100
Reference

1210
00:59:50,467 --> 00:59:53,300
conditions a through F in the staff report, but with

1211
00:59:53,667 --> 00:59:55,500
the following modification to.

1212
00:59:56,667 --> 00:59:57,734
Condition letter C

1213
00:59:58,867 --> 01:00:00,100
so removing the, the current.

1214
01:00:01,133 --> 01:00:02,100
Condition and replacing it with.

1215
01:00:05,533 --> 01:00:08,266
all outstanding comments from.

1216
01:00:10,033 --> 01:00:14,000
The city engineering department to be addressed to the satisfaction.

1217
01:00:14,867 --> 01:00:15,834
Of the division of public works.

1218
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,634
And that will again, replace the existing language for item

1219
01:00:21,667 --> 01:00:21,834
C.

1220
01:00:23,033 --> 01:00:25,300
Okay, thank you. Motion by Mr. Barley. Is there a

1221
01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:25,533
second?

1222
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:29,900
Second by Mr. Hudson. Any further discussion, Mr. Hudson, please.

1223
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:33,000
Yes, Mr. Chair, I would just.

1224
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:36,533
Suggest, maybe we modify that revised condition to be that

1225
01:00:36,533 --> 01:00:39,900
they submit a complete set of revised plans.

1226
01:00:41,133 --> 01:00:42,867
Plans and that any subsequent.

1227
01:00:43,634 --> 01:00:44,033
Comments.

1228
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:48,166
By engineering, the address to the satisfaction of division of

1229
01:00:48,166 --> 01:00:48,767
public works.

1230
01:00:49,700 --> 01:00:52,066
So essentially the same thing, but just denoting the fact

1231
01:00:52,066 --> 01:00:55,133
that they needed to submit a complete sentence plans, which

1232
01:00:55,133 --> 01:00:57,500
will be helpful for us to be able to provide

1233
01:00:57,500 --> 01:00:58,066
that review.

1234
01:00:59,066 --> 01:01:02,000
Absolutely. So I will go ahead. Amend my motion.

1235
01:01:03,834 --> 01:01:06,433
Consistent with what was already made.

1236
01:01:07,233 --> 01:01:10,500
But with a slight modification to my newly added.

1237
01:01:11,433 --> 01:01:14,100
Condition C to indicate that the, the applicant.

1238
01:01:15,066 --> 01:01:17,500
Shall first submit a complete plan set.

1239
01:01:18,467 --> 01:01:20,900
And then any comments resulting from the submission of that

1240
01:01:20,934 --> 01:01:21,433
plan set.

1241
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:23,333
By the engineering department.

1242
01:01:24,567 --> 01:01:26,500
Shall be addressed by the applicant to the satisfaction of

1243
01:01:26,500 --> 01:01:27,300
the division of public works.

1244
01:01:29,367 --> 01:01:31,433
Mr. Barley, you guys are by modified his motion.

1245
01:01:32,166 --> 01:01:34,033
Is there a second, second by Mr. Hudson.

1246
01:01:34,867 --> 01:01:35,533
Any further discussion.

1247
01:01:37,133 --> 01:01:39,266
All those in favor. Aye. Aye. Aye.

1248
01:01:40,567 --> 01:01:42,867
Motion passes. Thank you very much.

1249
01:01:43,867 --> 01:01:45,533
Accused. Understood. Thank you.

1250
01:01:49,467 --> 01:01:51,333
I'll just mention that. Certainly.

1251
01:01:52,367 --> 01:01:57,300
All right, moving along before we, we take our next

1252
01:01:57,333 --> 01:01:57,667
case.

1253
01:01:58,500 --> 01:02:01,433
Under new business site plan. Mr. Barley is gonna recuse.

1254
01:02:01,533 --> 01:02:03,033
Yes. Thank you, Mr chair. Thank you.

1255
01:02:04,934 --> 01:02:08,734
Next item on the agenda case number a 25 dash

1256
01:02:09,233 --> 01:02:09,567
zero.

1257
01:02:10,667 --> 01:02:11,066
Six six.

1258
01:02:13,700 --> 01:02:16,033
It's got a very long description. Sam, you just want

1259
01:02:16,033 --> 01:02:20,000
to call it the Mohawk site. All right. The Mohawk

1260
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:20,300
site.

1261
01:02:22,033 --> 01:02:24,900
Any member of the board I re reviewed this application

1262
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:29,266
and is willing to make a motion regarding completeness acceptance.

1263
01:02:30,100 --> 01:02:32,300
Mr. Green. Go right ahead, please. Thank you, Mr. Chair, a

1264
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:33,000
new business.

1265
01:02:33,700 --> 01:02:34,767
Project a 25.

1266
01:02:36,667 --> 01:02:37,066
Six six.

1267
01:02:39,433 --> 01:02:42,000
Has the, I have to learn that it is complete

1268
01:02:42,033 --> 01:02:45,066
and we are ready to take jurisdiction open in public.

1269
01:02:45,433 --> 01:02:47,567
All right. Thank you. Motion by Mr. Green. Is there

1270
01:02:47,567 --> 01:02:48,000
a second?

1271
01:02:48,767 --> 01:02:51,100
Second by Mr. Hirsch, any further discussion.

1272
01:02:52,300 --> 01:02:53,066
All those in favor.

1273
01:02:54,166 --> 01:02:56,000
Aye. Aye. Aye. All right.

1274
01:02:57,133 --> 01:02:57,867
Motion passes.

1275
01:02:59,634 --> 01:03:02,266
Mr whisky, go, go right ahead. The floor is yours.

1276
01:03:03,433 --> 01:03:08,066
Yours. There we go.

1277
01:03:10,467 --> 01:03:13,867
Good evening, Mr. Chair and Madam members of the board.

1278
01:03:13,934 --> 01:03:16,367
My name is Brad Westgate. I'm a lawyer of the

1279
01:03:16,367 --> 01:03:21,266
wine men, 4 0 2 Amer street in Nashua representing Blaylock holdings,

1280
01:03:21,467 --> 01:03:24,533
LLC, which is the apple applicant for approvals on the

1281
01:03:24,533 --> 01:03:26,000
Mohawk Tanner read of development.

1282
01:03:27,700 --> 01:03:32,533
Tom Zaja who's the project engineer with Andrew Swanson apologizes for

1283
01:03:32,533 --> 01:03:35,567
not being here tonight, but he's happily represented by Jim

1284
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,066
Polis, retrograde regret to note his scene.

1285
01:03:43,467 --> 01:03:46,367
What's before you tonight is actually a relatively simple request.

1286
01:03:46,934 --> 01:03:47,500
Mr. Chair.

1287
01:03:48,567 --> 01:03:54,667
The board in this board on June 20th, 2024. Granted for approvals

1288
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:59,033
for the Mohawk trainer redevelopment, three subdivision approvals in one

1289
01:03:59,033 --> 01:03:59,900
site plan approval.

1290
01:04:01,300 --> 01:04:04,734
What we're here seeking tonight as Mr. Z Zaja outlined

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01:04:04,734 --> 01:04:06,634
in his letter that appended our application.

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01:04:07,433 --> 01:04:10,834
Is an extension for 36 months of the 12 month.

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01:04:11,867 --> 01:04:16,033
Approval timeframe that's set forth in section 1 46 E one

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01:04:16,033 --> 01:04:17,066
of the land use code.

1295
01:04:18,133 --> 01:04:21,533
That section states that if a site plan is approved,

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01:04:22,100 --> 01:04:24,500
a building permit needs to be issued within 12 months

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01:04:24,500 --> 01:04:27,867
of that site plan approval. Otherwise the site plan approvals

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01:04:27,867 --> 01:04:28,000
void.

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01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,533
It's interesting. These subdivision regulations don't have a similar 12

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01:04:32,533 --> 01:04:33,533
month requirement.

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01:04:35,467 --> 01:04:39,900
But section 1 91 46 E of the lane use code also

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01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:41,900
provides that the planning board may extend.

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01:04:42,667 --> 01:04:45,100
And pro pro approve a longer period. One margin by

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01:04:45,367 --> 01:04:45,567
economic.

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01:04:46,467 --> 01:04:49,066
Conditions development, phasing and other unique circumstances.

1306
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:53,033
And simply put, we would respectfully request that the Mohawk

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01:04:53,033 --> 01:04:56,900
tannery redevelopment falls within that provision, given these other unique

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01:04:56,900 --> 01:05:00,266
circumstances at which would enable the planning board to extend

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01:05:00,266 --> 01:05:01,300
that 12 month timeframe.

1310
01:05:02,133 --> 01:05:04,500
Just a few more brief thoughts about it. If I

1311
01:05:04,500 --> 01:05:05,166
may, Mr. Chair.

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01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:09,300
The, there are a number of unique circumstances, frankly, a

1313
01:05:09,634 --> 01:05:12,266
multitude of them involved in this project. Obviously the site's

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01:05:12,266 --> 01:05:13,033
quite challenging.

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01:05:14,100 --> 01:05:17,900
And redevelopment is fully dependent on remediation of the environmental

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01:05:17,900 --> 01:05:18,500
conditions.

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01:05:19,433 --> 01:05:21,300
The EPA and D E S.

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01:05:23,066 --> 01:05:26,100
Have before at a, and have been involved with Mohawk

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01:05:26,100 --> 01:05:30,900
and its consultants, a substantial analysis of the remediation plan.

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01:05:31,133 --> 01:05:33,667
This is gone on offer a significant at period of

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01:05:33,667 --> 01:05:37,033
time. It involves literally week meetings be between bla law,

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01:05:37,033 --> 01:05:41,000
that consultants, EPA and D S and D's own.

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01:05:41,133 --> 01:05:45,133
Consultant that those approvals with EPA and DS are pending.

1324
01:05:46,100 --> 01:05:48,000
They're literally looking at a 2,400 page.

1325
01:05:48,934 --> 01:05:51,900
Package of a remediation plan with narrative plans.

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01:05:53,133 --> 01:05:53,767
Plans backup data and the like,

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01:05:55,233 --> 01:05:56,834
also the board of alderman, of course, has taken a

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01:05:56,834 --> 01:05:57,767
number of steps that.

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01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,066
Pertaining to this project and we're working with city staff

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01:06:02,133 --> 01:06:03,667
to finalize some additional.

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01:06:04,567 --> 01:06:07,033
Board of alderman matters for consideration.

1332
01:06:07,834 --> 01:06:09,100
Adding to these unique circumstances.

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01:06:10,166 --> 01:06:13,066
We're hopeful that the remediation work can actually begin in

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01:06:13,066 --> 01:06:16,166
earnest this summer, but it'll probably take a solid two

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01:06:16,166 --> 01:06:16,500
years.

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01:06:17,333 --> 01:06:19,133
Both to do the work and then enable EPA and

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01:06:19,266 --> 01:06:21,100
D S to inspect review and.

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01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:24,567
Sign off on the work. So that takes us 24

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01:06:24,567 --> 01:06:27,066
months. If you will, out of this 36 month.

1340
01:06:28,033 --> 01:06:31,066
Requested extension, but if all those timeframes hold then within

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01:06:31,066 --> 01:06:32,166
that last 12 months,

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01:06:33,133 --> 01:06:35,634
which takes us all the way to June of 2028,

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01:06:36,033 --> 01:06:39,033
the building permit issuance could be realistic as we noted

1344
01:06:39,033 --> 01:06:44,500
in Mr. Zaja, Mr. Zack's letter. So we would respectfully

1345
01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:51,066
request that that timeframe required under 1 9, 1 40 60 be extended 30.

1346
01:06:51,233 --> 01:06:53,000
Six months. So it runs to June.

1347
01:06:53,900 --> 01:06:57,567
20 2020, excuse me, 2028, as we've outlined in our

1348
01:06:57,567 --> 01:06:58,033
request.

1349
01:06:59,066 --> 01:07:00,433
Happy to answer any questions, Mr. Chair.

1350
01:07:02,033 --> 01:07:02,634
Thank you.

1351
01:07:04,133 --> 01:07:06,266
Actually, I may just put one to staff really quickly

1352
01:07:06,467 --> 01:07:08,033
just for, for clarification.

1353
01:07:08,934 --> 01:07:12,066
Are we, are we modifying the original approval from last

1354
01:07:12,066 --> 01:07:15,300
year? Or is this technically an extension? Does it matter?

1355
01:07:15,500 --> 01:07:17,000
Is that sort of a move point?

1356
01:07:18,467 --> 01:07:20,333
It, it is in a way, a moot point because

1357
01:07:20,333 --> 01:07:22,433
the effect is the same. Essentially you were, are not

1358
01:07:22,567 --> 01:07:25,667
granting an extension to the approval. Rather you are modifying

1359
01:07:25,900 --> 01:07:29,266
the 12 month approval window. That is typical by attacking

1360
01:07:29,266 --> 01:07:31,567
on another 36 months to that making a it a

1361
01:07:31,567 --> 01:07:33,033
48 months approval window.

1362
01:07:33,900 --> 01:07:35,100
So this is Le legally there's.

1363
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,834
There's no difference as the outcome would be the same.

1364
01:07:38,033 --> 01:07:40,767
The, the approach is slightly different. And I would say

1365
01:07:40,767 --> 01:07:42,166
that the way that the code is written.

1366
01:07:43,066 --> 01:07:45,000
Grants this unique approach.

1367
01:07:46,100 --> 01:07:49,100
And given the unique circumstances associated with the site, this

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01:07:49,100 --> 01:07:51,367
seems to fit better just from a point of law

1369
01:07:51,433 --> 01:07:53,333
within the city's ordinance. Okay.

1370
01:07:54,300 --> 01:07:55,333
I, I appreciate that.

1371
01:07:57,133 --> 01:07:57,567
So, thank you.

1372
01:07:59,433 --> 01:08:01,133
That's all. I had questions from the board.

1373
01:08:04,934 --> 01:08:06,734
All right. None at this time.

1374
01:08:07,834 --> 01:08:09,667
I will, I will put this out to the public.

1375
01:08:10,700 --> 01:08:12,734
Are there any members in public here to speak in

1376
01:08:12,734 --> 01:08:14,667
opposition or with concern for this application?

1377
01:08:17,500 --> 01:08:18,166
Seeing none.

1378
01:08:19,233 --> 01:08:20,867
Are there any members of the public here this evening

1379
01:08:21,100 --> 01:08:23,033
that wish to speak in favor of this application?

1380
01:08:25,634 --> 01:08:29,266
Alright, seeing none, toss it back to the board. One

1381
01:08:29,266 --> 01:08:29,567
more time.

1382
01:08:32,367 --> 01:08:34,300
I think we're good. Attorney Westgate. Thank you.

1383
01:08:35,667 --> 01:08:37,867
This point I'll, I'll close the public hearing.

1384
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,367
We'll go into our deliberation.

1385
01:08:43,834 --> 01:08:46,166
I, I, I think there's some level of appreciation here,

1386
01:08:46,300 --> 01:08:48,867
just, just for the amount of moving parts with, with

1387
01:08:48,867 --> 01:08:52,133
that site, you know, for, for obvious reasons, I think

1388
01:08:52,133 --> 01:08:53,634
we wouldn't want to make a habit of this, but

1389
01:08:53,634 --> 01:08:54,767
if there's one time where.

1390
01:08:55,834 --> 01:08:58,567
I think the longer time period should, should be considered.

1391
01:08:59,033 --> 01:09:01,634
It should be for something like this when you've got

1392
01:09:01,634 --> 01:09:04,333
other federal agencies involved. And I'm not sure what else

1393
01:09:04,333 --> 01:09:06,166
is going on with the land swaps and the easements

1394
01:09:06,166 --> 01:09:07,867
and things like that. I imagine there's, there's a lot

1395
01:09:07,867 --> 01:09:10,533
of details that you're typical application. Wouldn't not have.

1396
01:09:12,133 --> 01:09:13,834
But I, I would say I'd love to hear your

1397
01:09:13,834 --> 01:09:17,000
thoughts. If, if you have anything else to add on

1398
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:17,166
that.

1399
01:09:18,100 --> 01:09:18,266
So

1400
01:09:20,367 --> 01:09:23,266
Ms. Harper. I, I would just agree with you, Mr. Chair.

1401
01:09:23,367 --> 01:09:25,433
I do think that in this case, this is an

1402
01:09:25,433 --> 01:09:28,000
appropriate amount of time, just because of all the work

1403
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,100
that does need to be completed.

1404
01:09:30,100 --> 01:09:31,767
On the site. Thank you, Ms. Harper.

1405
01:09:34,867 --> 01:09:36,667
Other comments from the board at this time.

1406
01:09:40,033 --> 01:09:41,033
Let's see none.

1407
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,533
Would any member of the board be willing?

1408
01:09:46,300 --> 01:09:48,033
To make a motion.

1409
01:09:49,934 --> 01:09:53,000
Regarding approval of this application, Mr. Green. Yeah. I would

1410
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:54,066
like to make a motion.

1411
01:09:55,066 --> 01:09:59,100
For new business project, a 25 dash zero six, I'm

1412
01:09:59,100 --> 01:10:00,100
sorry. 0 66.

1413
01:10:01,133 --> 01:10:05,000
Six granting final approval for the modification of the 12

1414
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:05,767
month time period.

1415
01:10:06,867 --> 01:10:08,033
As defined in one 90 dash.

1416
01:10:09,133 --> 01:10:12,100
46 E one to be extended by 36 months to

1417
01:10:12,033 --> 01:10:13,266
a 48 month period.

1418
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:17,433
Allowing for allowing to receive the building permit without need

1419
01:10:17,433 --> 01:10:18,133
to apply further.

1420
01:10:19,233 --> 01:10:21,066
Further approval extensions.

1421
01:10:22,700 --> 01:10:24,533
Before 2028.

1422
01:10:26,734 --> 01:10:30,100
All sub conditions placed on the original final approval.

1423
01:10:30,867 --> 01:10:33,333
Granted in 2024 R to be incorporated in this new

1424
01:10:33,333 --> 01:10:35,734
final approval as conditions.

1425
01:10:36,567 --> 01:10:39,100
Thank you motion by Mr. Green. Is there a second?

1426
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,767
Second by Mr. Hudson, any further discussion.

1427
01:10:44,133 --> 01:10:45,100
All those in favor.

1428
01:10:46,266 --> 01:10:48,166
Aye motion passes.

1429
01:10:49,333 --> 01:10:49,367
Passes. Thank you.

1430
01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:53,634
All right.

1431
01:10:55,667 --> 01:10:57,000
Next item on the agenda.

1432
01:10:58,100 --> 01:10:59,367
Case 8 25.

1433
01:11:01,700 --> 01:11:02,367
34.

1434
01:11:03,900 --> 01:11:06,133
Property located at Elkbrook road.

1435
01:11:08,133 --> 01:11:10,300
As any member of the board had an opportunity.

1436
01:11:11,066 --> 01:11:12,634
To review this application.

1437
01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:16,734
And is willing to make a motion regarding its completeness.

1438
01:11:17,533 --> 01:11:20,100
Sorry, Mr. Chair, did you want to note the I'm

1439
01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:21,367
back and Mr. Hudson is.

1440
01:11:22,300 --> 01:11:24,000
Certainly. Thank thank you Mr. Barley.

1441
01:11:28,433 --> 01:11:29,266
Pull it up here.

1442
01:11:34,133 --> 01:11:34,867
I'm sorry about that.

1443
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:37,133
Has any member of the board?

1444
01:11:38,667 --> 01:11:39,900
Been able to review this application.

1445
01:11:40,934 --> 01:11:44,066
And is willing to make a motion regarding completeness and

1446
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,033
the board taking jurisdiction over the application.

1447
01:11:50,100 --> 01:11:50,767
Mr chair.

1448
01:11:52,233 --> 01:11:55,066
I'd like to make a motion to take jurisdiction of

1449
01:11:55,100 --> 01:11:59,500
new business site plans, case a 25 dash 0 34.

1450
01:12:00,767 --> 01:12:03,100
All right, motion by Ms. Harper. Is there a second?

1451
01:12:04,533 --> 01:12:05,867
Second by Mr. Hirsch.

1452
01:12:06,934 --> 01:12:08,000
Any further discussion.

1453
01:12:10,133 --> 01:12:11,066
All those in favor.

1454
01:12:12,233 --> 01:12:13,033
Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.

1455
01:12:15,066 --> 01:12:19,033
is there any Proman the, the floor is here.

1456
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:25,266
We finally request again, just for, for the board in

1457
01:12:25,266 --> 01:12:28,834
the hearing room, Mr. Coleman has every opportunity to present,

1458
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,367
and if he has other experts on his team that

1459
01:12:31,367 --> 01:12:31,900
wish to present.

1460
01:12:34,133 --> 01:12:38,066
Everyone's gonna get a chance. So Mr. Foreman, attorney Coleman

1461
01:12:38,133 --> 01:12:39,533
Flores yours, please proceed.

1462
01:12:40,367 --> 01:12:42,033
Mr. Chairman members of the board. Good evening. My name

1463
01:12:42,033 --> 01:12:42,767
is Andy Pearlman.

1464
01:12:43,634 --> 01:12:45,500
Attorney with Prunier and Pearlman here at Nashua.

1465
01:12:46,767 --> 01:12:47,634
I am here tonight.

1466
01:12:49,133 --> 01:12:51,734
Presenting on behalf of the city with respect to the

1467
01:12:51,734 --> 01:12:52,667
Nashua rotary west.

1468
01:12:53,533 --> 01:12:56,166
Disc golf course. We believe that we, we have a

1469
01:12:56,166 --> 01:12:58,634
very good project to bring up a good amenity to

1470
01:12:58,634 --> 01:13:00,433
the city that doesn't exist in the city today.

1471
01:13:02,700 --> 01:13:05,500
We have a number of folks who will be addressing

1472
01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:06,000
the board.

1473
01:13:07,867 --> 01:13:13,033
Matt LeBlanc from public works is going to speak tonight

1474
01:13:13,934 --> 01:13:14,767
with words from.

1475
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,100
Director photo who couldn't be here tonight. Who's not feeling

1476
01:13:19,867 --> 01:13:20,433
a hundred percent.

1477
01:13:21,367 --> 01:13:25,367
Mr. Metropolis, hangar Swanson, who seems to corner the market

1478
01:13:25,467 --> 01:13:26,266
on the board tonight.

1479
01:13:27,467 --> 01:13:29,767
Brendan Quigley is here. Brendan Quigley is our.

1480
01:13:30,934 --> 01:13:34,834
Wetland soil scientist, our, our wetlands expert from Gove environmental.

1481
01:13:34,934 --> 01:13:37,266
He's here to answer any questions. If the board should

1482
01:13:37,266 --> 01:13:39,867
have any wetlands related question, however, the wetland matters have

1483
01:13:39,867 --> 01:13:40,266
been addressed.

1484
01:13:41,133 --> 01:13:42,567
With the zoning board.

1485
01:13:43,734 --> 01:13:46,033
Dan Hudson is here as well. I think you folks

1486
01:13:46,033 --> 01:13:47,033
may know Dan Hudson.

1487
01:13:48,133 --> 01:13:50,300
Dan, if there are any questions with respect to the

1488
01:13:50,300 --> 01:13:52,066
traffic report that VHB prepared.

1489
01:13:53,233 --> 01:13:55,100
Dan can speak to those. I know we have a

1490
01:13:55,100 --> 01:13:57,900
number of other folks here tonight. We have some friends

1491
01:13:57,900 --> 01:14:01,533
from rotary, west Helen HARO, Janet Valk who wanna speak,

1492
01:14:01,533 --> 01:14:04,066
and we have other supporters as well. And Mr. Chairman,

1493
01:14:04,066 --> 01:14:06,000
if you indulge me, I do want to come back

1494
01:14:06,033 --> 01:14:06,834
as speak as a witness.

1495
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:12,767
Because I, I came on the city's team in January, 2024.

1496
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,367
And I, I had played one round of disc golf

1497
01:14:16,367 --> 01:14:19,100
with my family some years ago, but I've since learned

1498
01:14:19,166 --> 01:14:21,867
a lot about disc golf, how it works.

1499
01:14:23,066 --> 01:14:24,033
And I, and I do want to come back and,

1500
01:14:24,033 --> 01:14:27,767
and speak to the impressions that I've received. Just.

1501
01:14:28,567 --> 01:14:30,066
Learning and walking this golf courses.

1502
01:14:31,266 --> 01:14:33,300
If you're not familiar with disc golf, it's it's.

1503
01:14:34,300 --> 01:14:35,500
It's similar to regular golf.

1504
01:14:36,567 --> 01:14:40,667
Except displayed with disks. We some call them Frisbees, but

1505
01:14:40,667 --> 01:14:41,100
they're discs.

1506
01:14:42,100 --> 01:14:46,033
Discs players have a number of any up to 20,

1507
01:14:46,033 --> 01:14:48,667
some odd discs in their backpack or a cart that

1508
01:14:48,667 --> 01:14:50,867
they leg ground on, on, on the disc golf course.

1509
01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:55,033
And the disks are the different disks they're weighted. They're

1510
01:14:55,033 --> 01:14:56,100
shaped differently for driving.

1511
01:14:57,767 --> 01:15:01,000
Chip shots putting like very similar to golf.

1512
01:15:02,033 --> 01:15:04,066
And similar to golf. I'm terrible at both of these

1513
01:15:04,133 --> 01:15:04,500
sports.

1514
01:15:07,066 --> 01:15:10,767
Mr chairman. We know that there's opposition, there has been

1515
01:15:10,767 --> 01:15:14,066
opposition a along the way from through con Kong through

1516
01:15:14,066 --> 01:15:14,867
the zoning board.

1517
01:15:15,634 --> 01:15:18,100
But we believe we have a good plan that meets

1518
01:15:18,100 --> 01:15:19,867
code we can, and again, we can bring.

1519
01:15:21,333 --> 01:15:23,000
A project.

1520
01:15:24,033 --> 01:15:26,033
That a lot of people in the city want to

1521
01:15:26,033 --> 01:15:26,266
see.

1522
01:15:27,166 --> 01:15:30,033
You know, brought forth in, opened up as soon as

1523
01:15:30,066 --> 01:15:33,066
possible. So with that introductory remark, Mr. Chairman, if I

1524
01:15:33,066 --> 01:15:36,266
could have Mala blank from public works, address the board

1525
01:15:36,266 --> 01:15:38,500
for a moment, certainly. And I'll come back. Thank you.

1526
01:15:38,500 --> 01:15:39,033
Thank you very much.

1527
01:15:48,166 --> 01:15:50,767
Good evening. My name is Mount blank and I serve

1528
01:15:50,767 --> 01:15:53,533
as the operations manager for the division of public works.

1529
01:15:54,300 --> 01:15:56,667
I'm gonna read a statement from the director of public

1530
01:15:56,667 --> 01:15:59,166
works, who has been very passionate about this project.

1531
01:16:00,066 --> 01:16:02,634
But could not be with us tonight due to some

1532
01:16:02,634 --> 01:16:03,066
illness.

1533
01:16:04,333 --> 01:16:07,000
Thank you for the opportunity to present our application.

1534
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,100
Of the many projects that I have led during my

1535
01:16:10,100 --> 01:16:13,266
tenure with the city disc golf has by far been

1536
01:16:13,266 --> 01:16:13,667
the greatest.

1537
01:16:14,667 --> 01:16:17,100
Potential to enrich the lives of all our residents.

1538
01:16:18,300 --> 01:16:20,734
Residents it is free. It can be played at any

1539
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:24,667
age range and allows our residents to experience the beauty

1540
01:16:24,667 --> 01:16:26,133
of the wooded area in Robi park.

1541
01:16:27,233 --> 01:16:30,066
This project started with a petition of over 600.

1542
01:16:30,867 --> 01:16:33,500
Nashua residents asking the city to build this disc golf

1543
01:16:33,500 --> 01:16:33,734
course.

1544
01:16:34,834 --> 01:16:37,333
When these discussions begin back in 2020.

1545
01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:39,533
I had never even heard of disc golf.

1546
01:16:40,367 --> 01:16:42,900
But came to realize the popularity of this sport with

1547
01:16:42,900 --> 01:16:46,066
over 71 disc golf courses right here in New Hampshire.

1548
01:16:47,066 --> 01:16:49,100
This golf courses are building harmony.

1549
01:16:50,100 --> 01:16:53,100
With the surroundings and designate to protect the natural resources.

1550
01:16:54,100 --> 01:16:57,867
Resources, this course was designed by two world champion disc

1551
01:16:57,900 --> 01:16:58,300
golfers.

1552
01:16:59,266 --> 01:17:02,333
An expert course designers, Avery Jenkins and Simon lizard.

1553
01:17:03,533 --> 01:17:06,767
Mayor donas the board of public works and zoning board

1554
01:17:06,934 --> 01:17:08,367
unanimously supported this project.

1555
01:17:10,834 --> 01:17:11,634
I would like to thank.

1556
01:17:12,367 --> 01:17:16,433
Conservation commission chair, Sherry Dotsie for helping to move this

1557
01:17:16,433 --> 01:17:20,433
project forward in the natural west rotary for donating $30,000.

1558
01:17:21,333 --> 01:17:24,100
To help build this park in a country that is

1559
01:17:24,100 --> 01:17:27,667
currently so divided. It has been truly heartwarming to see

1560
01:17:27,667 --> 01:17:28,367
such a diverse.

1561
01:17:29,333 --> 01:17:32,100
In persistent group of disc golfers unite for the common

1562
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,367
goal of building a golf.

1563
01:17:35,433 --> 01:17:37,266
Park where all residents are welcome.

1564
01:17:38,900 --> 01:17:42,033
Our team is here to answer your questions and work

1565
01:17:42,033 --> 01:17:44,900
with you to bring natural west rotary disc golf park

1566
01:17:45,133 --> 01:17:45,667
to Nashua.

1567
01:17:46,667 --> 01:17:50,066
National and next I'd like to introduce James PATAR Polis.

1568
01:17:51,066 --> 01:17:51,634
Polis. Thank you. Thank you.

1569
01:17:58,433 --> 01:17:59,133
Thank you, Matt.

1570
01:18:00,100 --> 01:18:00,500
For the record.

1571
01:18:02,300 --> 01:18:05,133
I'm chip metropolis, professional engineer with Hainer Swanson, Inc.

1572
01:18:06,100 --> 01:18:08,767
And can everybody hear me back there? Is it okay?

1573
01:18:09,033 --> 01:18:09,567
Okay. Thank you.

1574
01:18:11,133 --> 01:18:12,834
So our company was initially hired.

1575
01:18:13,900 --> 01:18:17,100
Hired to locate survey wet flags on this subject site.

1576
01:18:18,266 --> 01:18:20,000
And since then we've been brought into.

1577
01:18:20,934 --> 01:18:22,367
To act as an engineering consultant.

1578
01:18:23,433 --> 01:18:27,000
To provide peer review of the plans, the application.

1579
01:18:28,033 --> 01:18:29,900
And to assist with the project permitting.

1580
01:18:30,867 --> 01:18:33,433
What I'd like to do tonight, Mr. Chairman.

1581
01:18:34,300 --> 01:18:34,300
Is

1582
01:18:36,567 --> 01:18:40,066
is give you a quick outline of the presentation. I'm

1583
01:18:40,066 --> 01:18:42,033
gonna give you a brief overview of Robie park.

1584
01:18:43,233 --> 01:18:46,000
I'm going to review the project's recent history.

1585
01:18:47,033 --> 01:18:49,166
I'm gonna give you a very quick crash course on

1586
01:18:49,467 --> 01:18:50,100
disc golf.

1587
01:18:51,133 --> 01:18:53,734
And then I'm gonna talk about the details of the

1588
01:18:53,734 --> 01:18:54,166
site plan.

1589
01:18:55,634 --> 01:18:57,100
There's quite a bit of information here.

1590
01:18:58,133 --> 01:19:00,166
I'll do my best to be both informative.

1591
01:19:01,133 --> 01:19:02,100
In expeditious.

1592
01:19:03,433 --> 01:19:06,300
When complete we, as a team will be available to

1593
01:19:06,300 --> 01:19:07,500
answer questions from the board.

1594
01:19:08,567 --> 01:19:09,066
And from the public

1595
01:19:11,367 --> 01:19:14,367
Roby park itself was purchased and developed in the early

1596
01:19:14,767 --> 01:19:16,433
1980s and sits at the corner.

1597
01:19:17,634 --> 01:19:20,300
Of spit brick road in east, Constable road in south

1598
01:19:20,634 --> 01:19:21,100
Nashua.

1599
01:19:22,100 --> 01:19:23,900
It's a uniquely shaped lot. You can see it in

1600
01:19:23,900 --> 01:19:27,000
the yellow outline there that measures 50 about 57 acres.

1601
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,133
Located in the R 18 residential zoning district.

1602
01:19:32,567 --> 01:19:35,133
A butters to Robi park to the north of spit

1603
01:19:35,133 --> 01:19:37,433
Brook road, but then a across spit Brook. We have

1604
01:19:37,433 --> 01:19:39,033
the Huntington, we have world academy.

1605
01:19:40,033 --> 01:19:42,266
We have the church and we have a fire station.

1606
01:19:43,300 --> 01:19:46,033
To the east is Oak hill.

1607
01:19:47,066 --> 01:19:50,066
OQ in bay Ridge two multi-family residential developments.

1608
01:19:51,066 --> 01:19:55,533
To the south is undevelopable and in single family, lots

1609
01:19:55,934 --> 01:19:58,834
that, that reside on Southgate road. I believe.

1610
01:19:59,834 --> 01:20:02,066
And then to the west is east SSTable road with

1611
01:20:02,166 --> 01:20:02,867
sky meadow.

1612
01:20:03,634 --> 01:20:04,166
On the other side.

1613
01:20:05,900 --> 01:20:09,634
Rob park is an active public park. It is not.

1614
01:20:10,667 --> 01:20:12,867
Conservation land like a number of other properties.

1615
01:20:13,900 --> 01:20:14,133
In Nashua.

1616
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,734
For the record, there is no legal deed restriction for

1617
01:20:19,734 --> 01:20:20,433
conservation.

1618
01:20:21,533 --> 01:20:22,033
Upon this property.

1619
01:20:23,834 --> 01:20:25,734
Now here in Nashua Robie park, as well as other

1620
01:20:25,767 --> 01:20:28,900
parks have hours of operation that are seven they're open

1621
01:20:28,900 --> 01:20:29,533
7:00 AM.

1622
01:20:30,467 --> 01:20:33,100
To 10:00 PM currently aerobic park.

1623
01:20:34,767 --> 01:20:35,567
The park contains.

1624
01:20:36,567 --> 01:20:39,133
Contains two softball fields, a children's play lot.

1625
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,100
A sliding hill during winter.

1626
01:20:42,300 --> 01:20:43,266
Skating rink during winter.

1627
01:20:44,567 --> 01:20:47,033
Walking trails and two parking lots.

1628
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,066
Lots. There's an upper parking lot at the corner up

1629
01:20:50,066 --> 01:20:51,100
on east uncivil road.

1630
01:20:52,166 --> 01:20:54,100
It contains about 26 parking spaces.

1631
01:20:54,867 --> 01:20:56,500
And then the main lot that you see a long

1632
01:20:56,500 --> 01:20:57,266
strip Burke road.

1633
01:20:58,300 --> 01:21:00,367
Measures about 55 parking spaces.

1634
01:21:01,900 --> 01:21:04,533
Please note that in addition to these two lots.

1635
01:21:05,700 --> 01:21:07,033
Lots there is public street parking.

1636
01:21:08,033 --> 01:21:10,433
Along a small section of east instable road. We know

1637
01:21:10,433 --> 01:21:13,100
east Huntsville road is a very serpentine road. We know

1638
01:21:13,100 --> 01:21:15,433
it's got guardrail, it's got some challenging curves.

1639
01:21:16,567 --> 01:21:19,033
Curves, but up near that east instable road parking lot.

1640
01:21:19,834 --> 01:21:23,333
There is parking provided probably in the five to six

1641
01:21:23,333 --> 01:21:24,133
parking spaces.

1642
01:21:25,133 --> 01:21:27,166
There's also parking on spit Brook road.

1643
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,867
Just east of the entrance, into the main parking lot.

1644
01:21:33,734 --> 01:21:36,533
As can be seen on the aerial, the property contains

1645
01:21:36,734 --> 01:21:39,333
a combination of trees and open cover, open land.

1646
01:21:40,166 --> 01:21:43,033
The open land is predominantly in, in the north, the

1647
01:21:43,033 --> 01:21:45,533
play fields, the rec areas, the parking lots.

1648
01:21:46,667 --> 01:21:49,367
Lots that makes up about eight acres of the 57

1649
01:21:49,500 --> 01:21:49,900
acres.

1650
01:21:50,900 --> 01:21:52,867
The rest of it in the central part and in

1651
01:21:52,867 --> 01:21:53,533
the Southern part.

1652
01:21:54,300 --> 01:21:56,533
Of Robie park is currently wooded.

1653
01:21:57,533 --> 01:21:59,000
It. And I would say it's mature for us with

1654
01:21:59,066 --> 01:22:00,433
a combination of pine trees.

1655
01:22:01,333 --> 01:22:01,900
In hardwoods.

1656
01:22:03,634 --> 01:22:05,000
Next plan, please. Connor.

1657
01:22:06,367 --> 01:22:10,033
The property has some varying topographic conditions. It's fairly flat

1658
01:22:10,133 --> 01:22:11,133
in the playfield areas.

1659
01:22:12,166 --> 01:22:14,433
Areas, but we've got slumping land on the sides.

1660
01:22:15,433 --> 01:22:16,900
Which kind of creates a low valley in the middle.

1661
01:22:17,700 --> 01:22:20,300
If you've walked the trail errands trails through the property,

1662
01:22:20,300 --> 01:22:22,367
you walk through the low ends and you see kind

1663
01:22:22,367 --> 01:22:24,834
of the, the uplands on the, off to the side.

1664
01:22:26,033 --> 01:22:28,834
Over all. There's approximately a hundred foot grade change from

1665
01:22:28,834 --> 01:22:30,667
the low part of the site to the high part

1666
01:22:30,667 --> 01:22:32,900
of the site. So the site does contain some nice

1667
01:22:32,900 --> 01:22:33,433
topography.

1668
01:22:36,433 --> 01:22:39,734
It also contains, as I mentioned, walking trails, stonewalls.

1669
01:22:40,767 --> 01:22:42,166
Stonewalls in rock out, croppings in the back.

1670
01:22:44,033 --> 01:22:47,066
Wetlands have been flagged in accordance with local state and

1671
01:22:47,066 --> 01:22:48,100
federal jurisdiction.

1672
01:22:49,133 --> 01:22:51,834
Brendan Quigley joins us tonight. He is probably the most

1673
01:22:51,834 --> 01:22:55,066
well respected, certified wetland scientists in the state of New Hampshire.

1674
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:57,300
And he's been involved in the project.

1675
01:22:59,634 --> 01:23:00,667
The main wetland.

1676
01:23:01,533 --> 01:23:05,100
Complex is a red maple swamp. That's really located in

1677
01:23:05,100 --> 01:23:06,500
the center part of the site.

1678
01:23:07,233 --> 01:23:09,333
It's fairly broad up near the back end of the

1679
01:23:09,634 --> 01:23:10,100
softball fields.

1680
01:23:11,066 --> 01:23:13,166
And then it narrows down into a water course that

1681
01:23:13,266 --> 01:23:14,066
flows south.

1682
01:23:15,066 --> 01:23:17,000
And then it broadens out again in the subtly part

1683
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:17,900
of this property.

1684
01:23:18,867 --> 01:23:22,266
There's also two wetland channels, one from east Huntsville road

1685
01:23:22,266 --> 01:23:24,266
and one from about the midpoint of Oak hill.

1686
01:23:25,133 --> 01:23:28,033
Condominiums that that flow downhill.

1687
01:23:28,767 --> 01:23:30,000
Into this water course.

1688
01:23:31,033 --> 01:23:35,000
Lastly, there's three small wetland complexes in the extreme Southeast

1689
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,266
corner of the property. And of course, you know, here

1690
01:23:37,266 --> 01:23:37,900
in Nashua,

1691
01:23:38,667 --> 01:23:41,667
these wetlands carry with it. A 40 foot 40 foot

1692
01:23:41,667 --> 01:23:42,033
buffer.

1693
01:23:43,634 --> 01:23:44,567
So that's Robie park.

1694
01:23:45,333 --> 01:23:48,266
Recent history of the project is outlined by Mr. Mr.

1695
01:23:48,367 --> 01:23:49,166
Proman briefly.

1696
01:23:50,100 --> 01:23:51,567
There's been a number of public meetings.

1697
01:23:52,767 --> 01:23:55,100
Meetings on this project, but none before this board.

1698
01:23:56,033 --> 01:23:56,433
Except for tonight.

1699
01:23:58,100 --> 01:24:01,066
So a quick recap as mentioned it started with a

1700
01:24:01,066 --> 01:24:04,133
grassroots movement, asking the city to build a golf course

1701
01:24:04,166 --> 01:24:05,133
on its public lands.

1702
01:24:06,100 --> 01:24:09,066
Lands D P w evaluated sites and determined. Rob park

1703
01:24:09,066 --> 01:24:10,066
was the best candidate.

1704
01:24:11,734 --> 01:24:14,834
Since then Nashua's put together a team to design and

1705
01:24:14,834 --> 01:24:16,000
permit this project.

1706
01:24:17,634 --> 01:24:20,100
Now because of the wetlands that I just described on

1707
01:24:20,100 --> 01:24:20,500
the property.

1708
01:24:21,533 --> 01:24:24,333
There were wetland impacts, wetland buffer impacts.

1709
01:24:25,333 --> 01:24:26,133
As a result of the project.

1710
01:24:27,634 --> 01:24:29,667
So the process started with the conservation commission.

1711
01:24:30,467 --> 01:24:34,533
After several lengthy meetings in sight walks, the process produced

1712
01:24:34,634 --> 01:24:35,533
the 22 vote.

1713
01:24:36,567 --> 01:24:38,100
For input to the zoning board of adjustment.

1714
01:24:40,133 --> 01:24:42,066
The application then went to the zoning board.

1715
01:24:43,066 --> 01:24:44,100
Where they received a unanimous.

1716
01:24:45,133 --> 01:24:47,533
Five zero vote. And I want to get the words

1717
01:24:47,533 --> 01:24:48,100
right here.

1718
01:24:49,233 --> 01:24:51,266
To work in a critical wetland buffer.

1719
01:24:52,166 --> 01:24:54,066
To remove trees, brush.

1720
01:24:55,066 --> 01:24:57,066
Install nine wooden pedestrian bridges.

1721
01:24:58,100 --> 01:25:02,634
Bridges T pads, disc chain baskets, directional signage, wetland markers.

1722
01:25:03,834 --> 01:25:05,834
Markers and trash barrels for a proposed 18 hole disc

1723
01:25:05,834 --> 01:25:07,634
golf course. That's what they permitted.

1724
01:25:08,567 --> 01:25:11,266
As a special exception, which is an allowed right.

1725
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:13,133
Meeting certain conditions.

1726
01:25:14,533 --> 01:25:18,100
This vote by the ZBA addresses the environmental impact of

1727
01:25:18,100 --> 01:25:18,433
this project.

1728
01:25:21,233 --> 01:25:23,834
The next step in the process is here tonight before

1729
01:25:23,834 --> 01:25:26,300
you with a site requesting site plan approval.

1730
01:25:27,867 --> 01:25:29,900
I mentioned, I'll give you a quick crash course in

1731
01:25:29,900 --> 01:25:32,033
disc golf, cuz I've personally never played.

1732
01:25:32,934 --> 01:25:34,867
But I did brush up on the sport and this

1733
01:25:34,867 --> 01:25:37,634
is what I've learned. It's a fast growing sport throughout

1734
01:25:37,634 --> 01:25:38,066
the country.

1735
01:25:39,066 --> 01:25:40,834
Family friendly outdoor activity.

1736
01:25:41,900 --> 01:25:44,266
Played as Andy said very much like regular golf.

1737
01:25:45,667 --> 01:25:48,166
The standard disc golf course is 18 holes.

1738
01:25:49,133 --> 01:25:51,634
Players start out each row from a small team area.

1739
01:25:52,367 --> 01:25:54,066
Ting area six by 12 kind of gravel tee box.

1740
01:25:55,433 --> 01:25:57,266
And they play by throwing a disc.

1741
01:25:58,467 --> 01:25:59,100
Into a chain basket.

1742
01:26:00,767 --> 01:26:02,567
You add up the number of throws you have at

1743
01:26:02,567 --> 01:26:04,033
the end and that that's your score.

1744
01:26:06,166 --> 01:26:08,567
Groups of players range from one to four.

1745
01:26:09,467 --> 01:26:11,266
Typically it takes about two hours.

1746
01:26:12,266 --> 01:26:13,533
To play the 18 holes.

1747
01:26:14,467 --> 01:26:18,100
Okay. In disc golf and the players are guided through

1748
01:26:18,100 --> 01:26:19,066
the course with directional.

1749
01:26:20,033 --> 01:26:20,867
Signs for each hole.

1750
01:26:22,367 --> 01:26:23,734
With regard to the holes.

1751
01:26:24,767 --> 01:26:26,567
They're laid out for varying skill levels.

1752
01:26:27,634 --> 01:26:28,634
With safety in mind.

1753
01:26:29,900 --> 01:26:32,867
Minimal work to the land in much like regular golf,

1754
01:26:33,100 --> 01:26:34,133
a combination of trees.

1755
01:26:35,233 --> 01:26:37,100
Topography in wetlands.

1756
01:26:38,100 --> 01:26:39,900
Wetlands really provide for an interesting course.

1757
01:26:42,333 --> 01:26:45,000
Thank you, Connor. I just included some.

1758
01:26:45,900 --> 01:26:48,900
Basic pictures. I'll quickly go through those. I mentioned that

1759
01:26:48,900 --> 01:26:51,367
this golf target or the basket, you can see the

1760
01:26:51,367 --> 01:26:53,567
chain link basket. Apparently that's the target.

1761
01:26:55,533 --> 01:26:58,634
You'll see just below it disc golf signage, that would

1762
01:26:58,634 --> 01:27:01,667
be out through the course, identifying the hole in the

1763
01:27:01,667 --> 01:27:04,100
routing so that people know where they were going.

1764
01:27:05,133 --> 01:27:06,767
The backpack and he alluded to.

1765
01:27:07,634 --> 01:27:10,033
They also have something called a retriever.

1766
01:27:11,066 --> 01:27:12,767
Traver where if you throw it up in a tree

1767
01:27:12,767 --> 01:27:14,567
or if it goes into a wet area,

1768
01:27:15,634 --> 01:27:18,000
rather than going into those areas much like a golf

1769
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,100
ball retriever, you can extend this device.

1770
01:27:21,133 --> 01:27:22,033
And grab your disc.

1771
01:27:24,367 --> 01:27:25,367
Next slide, please.

1772
01:27:26,900 --> 01:27:27,834
A couple more signs.

1773
01:27:28,767 --> 01:27:31,500
Signs. If you find somebody's disc, apparently in this industry,

1774
01:27:31,500 --> 01:27:33,133
it's unlike golf, or if you find a ball, you

1775
01:27:33,133 --> 01:27:35,033
put it in your pocket, but if you find disc.

1776
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,100
They ask you to put it. They ask you to

1777
01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:40,000
put it back. So there's a lost and found bin.

1778
01:27:41,500 --> 01:27:43,867
As well, so thank you, Connor. If you can move

1779
01:27:43,867 --> 01:27:44,500
to the next one.

1780
01:27:45,667 --> 01:27:48,100
So now I'm gonna discuss the site plan, Mr. Chairman.

1781
01:27:49,700 --> 01:27:52,367
The project team has made an application to this Nashville

1782
01:27:52,367 --> 01:27:55,000
city planning board for a site plan approval of an

1783
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:56,300
18 hole disc golf course.

1784
01:27:57,133 --> 01:27:58,500
On a portion of Robi park.

1785
01:27:59,433 --> 01:28:03,033
City outdoor recreation isn't allowed use in the R 18

1786
01:28:03,066 --> 01:28:03,367
zone.

1787
01:28:04,867 --> 01:28:06,066
Some elements of the project.

1788
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,333
The project proposes to use the existing, upper parking lot.

1789
01:28:12,166 --> 01:28:13,834
Along east instable road.

1790
01:28:14,867 --> 01:28:17,000
As the main parking for this.

1791
01:28:18,033 --> 01:28:21,300
Activity, there'll be a small sign erected indicating that this

1792
01:28:21,300 --> 01:28:21,500
is.

1793
01:28:22,634 --> 01:28:24,066
Roby park disc golf course.

1794
01:28:25,233 --> 01:28:27,867
The site plan does show the routing of the various

1795
01:28:27,934 --> 01:28:28,133
holes.

1796
01:28:29,133 --> 01:28:31,367
As Andy Proman said, the course has been designed by

1797
01:28:31,367 --> 01:28:35,033
Avery Johnson and Simon. Zat both professional disc golfers that

1798
01:28:35,033 --> 01:28:37,133
have designed dozens of courses in the country.

1799
01:28:39,100 --> 01:28:40,834
The plan shows the approximate length.

1800
01:28:41,934 --> 01:28:43,066
In direction of each hole.

1801
01:28:44,033 --> 01:28:45,900
The starting point is up by that parking lot.

1802
01:28:46,867 --> 01:28:49,033
In the way the course is routed, it works in

1803
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:49,834
a southerly.

1804
01:28:50,667 --> 01:28:51,133
Direction to start.

1805
01:28:53,533 --> 01:28:56,300
The layout eventually swings to the Southwest and it, there

1806
01:28:56,300 --> 01:28:57,100
are crossings.

1807
01:28:58,100 --> 01:29:01,033
Crossings of that center wetland area I described earlier.

1808
01:29:02,233 --> 01:29:03,567
And then the layout eventually.

1809
01:29:04,367 --> 01:29:06,767
Returns back to its point of origin of near the

1810
01:29:06,767 --> 01:29:07,133
parking lot.

1811
01:29:10,033 --> 01:29:12,033
It should be noted that the course was laid out.

1812
01:29:13,133 --> 01:29:14,867
With the intent of keeping and maintaining.

1813
01:29:15,634 --> 01:29:16,734
The current walking trails.

1814
01:29:17,900 --> 01:29:18,133
Trails through the property.

1815
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:21,533
Walkers will have rights of way.

1816
01:29:22,333 --> 01:29:25,433
Okay. There are a number of disc golf courses in

1817
01:29:25,433 --> 01:29:26,033
this country.

1818
01:29:26,867 --> 01:29:30,166
Very similar situation in public parks with walking trails.

1819
01:29:31,233 --> 01:29:33,433
Trails, they can coexist.

1820
01:29:34,467 --> 01:29:38,066
Much like ski boarders, or snowboarders and skiers. Okay.

1821
01:29:39,066 --> 01:29:42,500
They can coexist safety is a concern. Absolutely. We're gonna

1822
01:29:42,500 --> 01:29:44,900
hear that tonight from the public. And I'll talk a

1823
01:29:44,900 --> 01:29:45,567
little bit about that.

1824
01:29:51,066 --> 01:29:53,634
How does the course get built? It'll get built.

1825
01:29:54,667 --> 01:29:55,367
By D P w

1826
01:29:56,934 --> 01:29:58,834
in console with the course designer.

1827
01:30:00,734 --> 01:30:02,900
The hole will be state. The center line of the

1828
01:30:02,900 --> 01:30:04,834
hole will be state erosion control measures.

1829
01:30:05,900 --> 01:30:06,867
Measures will be installed.

1830
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:09,433
The course designer will identify.

1831
01:30:10,767 --> 01:30:14,367
Trees to be cut or trees in vegetation. Be selectively.

1832
01:30:14,500 --> 01:30:15,033
Limbed.

1833
01:30:16,133 --> 01:30:17,867
Minimal tree clearing is the goal.

1834
01:30:18,667 --> 01:30:20,367
However trees need to be cut so that the disc

1835
01:30:20,433 --> 01:30:20,767
golf.

1836
01:30:21,533 --> 01:30:22,900
Hole is safe and playable.

1837
01:30:24,734 --> 01:30:26,767
A number of failed trees will be chipped up and

1838
01:30:26,767 --> 01:30:27,734
pushed into the woods.

1839
01:30:28,567 --> 01:30:30,867
A number of fell. Trees will also be cut up

1840
01:30:30,867 --> 01:30:31,767
and used as stringers.

1841
01:30:32,767 --> 01:30:34,634
For the bridge crossings that I'll talk about in just

1842
01:30:34,667 --> 01:30:35,033
a minute.

1843
01:30:36,667 --> 01:30:37,300
If there is

1844
01:30:38,100 --> 01:30:40,734
any trees to be cut in the wetland or wetland

1845
01:30:40,734 --> 01:30:42,000
buffer area, which is allowed.

1846
01:30:43,066 --> 01:30:45,333
The stumps will not be removed in those areas.

1847
01:30:46,467 --> 01:30:49,667
Areas the plan uses the natural terrain. There'll be no

1848
01:30:49,667 --> 01:30:51,634
earth moving. No big grading.

1849
01:30:52,567 --> 01:30:53,300
Unlike a regular golf course.

1850
01:30:54,900 --> 01:30:56,900
The ground cover in chance is to keep the forest

1851
01:30:57,033 --> 01:30:57,266
floor.

1852
01:30:58,300 --> 01:31:00,266
Not owed lawns, not irrigated lawns.

1853
01:31:01,533 --> 01:31:03,166
Lawns, the construction is fairly simple.

1854
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,066
A T PADD area six by 12.

1855
01:31:07,066 --> 01:31:07,834
A concrete post.

1856
01:31:09,133 --> 01:31:10,000
Were the dispatcher.

1857
01:31:14,500 --> 01:31:17,166
And the goal has been to minimize impacts through the

1858
01:31:17,166 --> 01:31:17,433
weapons.

1859
01:31:18,467 --> 01:31:20,033
Wetlands. I told you, there's a number of crossings.

1860
01:31:21,133 --> 01:31:23,634
Pricings of the wetlands. What was permitted by the zoning

1861
01:31:23,634 --> 01:31:26,100
board of adjustment was nine total crossings.

1862
01:31:27,066 --> 01:31:29,066
Crossings six of which are new three of which are

1863
01:31:29,066 --> 01:31:31,300
already existing crossings as part of the trail network.

1864
01:31:33,100 --> 01:31:33,567
The focus

1865
01:31:34,634 --> 01:31:36,533
in the intent of the design is to get the

1866
01:31:36,533 --> 01:31:38,100
disc golfers to use those bridges.

1867
01:31:39,233 --> 01:31:42,433
Bridges and not be walking haphazardly through wetland areas, and

1868
01:31:42,433 --> 01:31:43,500
they're gonna do that.

1869
01:31:44,500 --> 01:31:46,734
Through the combination of signage.

1870
01:31:47,867 --> 01:31:48,734
Of wetland markers.

1871
01:31:49,900 --> 01:31:52,133
Markers of clearly defining the areas where we want you

1872
01:31:52,133 --> 01:31:53,033
to keep out of.

1873
01:31:54,700 --> 01:31:56,367
And the goal would be to channelize players.

1874
01:31:57,133 --> 01:31:57,834
To these crossings.

1875
01:32:00,266 --> 01:32:03,367
The bridges themselves are much like a, a, a, a

1876
01:32:03,367 --> 01:32:06,033
wooded trail you might find in mine falls park, or

1877
01:32:06,033 --> 01:32:06,533
Beaverbrook.

1878
01:32:07,934 --> 01:32:10,066
The fell trees will be used as a base and

1879
01:32:10,066 --> 01:32:13,000
that wood planks nailed on top six feet wide.

1880
01:32:13,900 --> 01:32:14,367
Very minimal width.

1881
01:32:17,266 --> 01:32:20,000
Wetlands are defined as out of bounds on this golf

1882
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:21,100
course, this disc golf course.

1883
01:32:22,100 --> 01:32:24,100
Okay. A couple things that D P w.

1884
01:32:25,133 --> 01:32:27,900
Is going to be doing as they manage this operation.

1885
01:32:28,934 --> 01:32:31,166
They're responsible for the maintenance of the disc golf course.

1886
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:33,667
Not a private party, but city of Nashua.

1887
01:32:35,033 --> 01:32:37,767
RO park is for the public to enjoy. There are

1888
01:32:37,767 --> 01:32:38,500
no tee times.

1889
01:32:39,533 --> 01:32:41,033
There's a no litter policy.

1890
01:32:42,100 --> 01:32:44,734
Carry in, carry out. And you saw the sign in

1891
01:32:44,734 --> 01:32:46,333
one of the photos that reflected that.

1892
01:32:47,567 --> 01:32:50,000
Dogs on a leash are welcome into park as they

1893
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:50,266
are today.

1894
01:32:52,066 --> 01:32:54,734
Disc golfers will be repeatedly told, stay out of the

1895
01:32:54,734 --> 01:32:56,000
wetland areas with signage.

1896
01:32:57,133 --> 01:33:00,100
As with all parks, no alcohol tobacco, or smoking on

1897
01:33:00,100 --> 01:33:00,333
the premises.

1898
01:33:01,533 --> 01:33:03,033
Premises in the course will be free to play.

1899
01:33:04,266 --> 01:33:07,066
The city of Nashua, D P w will implement the

1900
01:33:07,066 --> 01:33:07,367
following.

1901
01:33:08,166 --> 01:33:11,333
They'll conduct a course monitoring visit every year to this

1902
01:33:11,367 --> 01:33:12,033
golf course.

1903
01:33:12,767 --> 01:33:15,033
And see if there's any areas that are seeing.

1904
01:33:16,033 --> 01:33:19,100
Erosion where they will see any areas that.

1905
01:33:20,367 --> 01:33:22,500
Could be improved for safety.

1906
01:33:23,900 --> 01:33:24,533
Reestablish

1907
01:33:25,533 --> 01:33:27,300
the bridges and markers and other things that may have

1908
01:33:27,300 --> 01:33:28,266
come down during the year.

1909
01:33:29,533 --> 01:33:32,033
Supplemental planting. As I mentioned a minute ago.

1910
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:34,000
Shall we all native species.

1911
01:33:35,300 --> 01:33:39,066
Installed in a consultation with the licensed wetland scientist.

1912
01:33:41,100 --> 01:33:42,266
Invasive species management.

1913
01:33:43,066 --> 01:33:45,867
And construction of best management practice shall follow the guidelines

1914
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,166
as identified by the certified wetland scientist.

1915
01:33:49,533 --> 01:33:51,133
The D P w by controlling.

1916
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,900
Disc golf can ensure that a tournament.

1917
01:33:56,033 --> 01:33:57,734
In the future would not be held the same weekend

1918
01:33:57,734 --> 01:33:59,000
as the softball tournament.

1919
01:33:59,834 --> 01:34:01,100
I'm gonna start parking in a minute.

1920
01:34:02,100 --> 01:34:03,867
But, you know, we want to make sure we don't

1921
01:34:04,033 --> 01:34:06,634
coincide tournament weekends so that there's.

1922
01:34:07,433 --> 01:34:08,767
There's an exacerbated problem.

1923
01:34:10,266 --> 01:34:13,133
And for those interested, a portajohn will be located near

1924
01:34:13,133 --> 01:34:14,734
the upper parking lot, along with.

1925
01:34:15,834 --> 01:34:17,433
Regular scheduled service.

1926
01:34:18,700 --> 01:34:21,367
The city hopes and the goal, it would be to

1927
01:34:21,634 --> 01:34:25,100
construct the course in 2025 with an opening in 2026.

1928
01:34:27,634 --> 01:34:31,133
I'm wrapping up soon, Mr. Chair, our action. Our, our

1929
01:34:31,133 --> 01:34:34,867
application also included a traffic and parking study prepared by

1930
01:34:35,100 --> 01:34:35,133
VHB.

1931
01:34:36,166 --> 01:34:39,533
VHP now, as you know, traffic and parking are two

1932
01:34:39,533 --> 01:34:40,066
different things.

1933
01:34:42,467 --> 01:34:45,100
Traffic with regard to traffic, they counted.

1934
01:34:45,900 --> 01:34:46,567
Trips at other

1935
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,033
disc golf facilities here in New Hampshire to come up with

1936
01:34:50,033 --> 01:34:52,000
their baseline of anticipated trips.

1937
01:34:52,934 --> 01:34:56,066
Trips. They're talking about a normal weekday of 110 trips.

1938
01:34:57,133 --> 01:35:00,900
Trips total 20:00 AM peak 24:00 PM. Peak.

1939
01:35:01,900 --> 01:35:03,634
Those are considered minimal traffic.

1940
01:35:04,367 --> 01:35:07,266
Increases along such a collector route such as Pitt Brook

1941
01:35:07,266 --> 01:35:07,567
road.

1942
01:35:09,033 --> 01:35:10,266
Now, with regard to parking.

1943
01:35:11,066 --> 01:35:13,667
The parking study that was submitted, indicates that the disc

1944
01:35:13,667 --> 01:35:16,567
golf is expected to use between 23.

1945
01:35:17,533 --> 01:35:19,533
And 46 parking spaces during typical.

1946
01:35:20,367 --> 01:35:24,367
Conditions. It's the project's project team's opinion that there is

1947
01:35:24,367 --> 01:35:26,533
ample parking during normal play conditions.

1948
01:35:27,433 --> 01:35:31,000
However we understand Ruby. Park's a popular spot. It's a

1949
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:32,066
popular destination.

1950
01:35:33,667 --> 01:35:36,734
D P w intends to closely monitor parking during the

1951
01:35:36,734 --> 01:35:37,867
first year of disc golf.

1952
01:35:38,667 --> 01:35:39,333
If, if successful

1953
01:35:40,934 --> 01:35:43,667
it's determined if it is determined that additional parking is

1954
01:35:43,667 --> 01:35:44,033
needed.

1955
01:35:44,767 --> 01:35:45,767
The city will address the issue.

1956
01:35:47,300 --> 01:35:49,300
I can tell you Mr. Chairman, that we've.

1957
01:35:50,100 --> 01:35:52,533
The design teams looked at two areas of expansion.

1958
01:35:53,433 --> 01:35:57,266
The upper parking lot. I told you contains 26 spaces

1959
01:35:57,500 --> 01:36:01,066
could be expanded to 60 spaces, an increase of 34.

1960
01:36:02,100 --> 01:36:03,634
That would not be an easy project. There's quite a

1961
01:36:03,634 --> 01:36:04,867
bit of topography up there.

1962
01:36:06,467 --> 01:36:08,300
That would be a challenging design, but.

1963
01:36:09,333 --> 01:36:10,567
There is the land to do it.

1964
01:36:11,634 --> 01:36:14,166
And if it's needed, that would be one area to

1965
01:36:14,166 --> 01:36:14,834
grow parking.

1966
01:36:15,834 --> 01:36:17,900
And then the second is along the main body of

1967
01:36:17,900 --> 01:36:18,033
parking.

1968
01:36:19,066 --> 01:36:20,266
Along spit brick road.

1969
01:36:21,367 --> 01:36:22,433
There's a small area.

1970
01:36:23,533 --> 01:36:26,367
East of the current parking lot that parking could be

1971
01:36:26,367 --> 01:36:27,033
expanded.

1972
01:36:28,033 --> 01:36:29,767
Without impacting the wet under the wetland buffer.

1973
01:36:31,367 --> 01:36:34,066
We had anticipate or estimate that to contain.

1974
01:36:35,066 --> 01:36:37,767
20 new spaces. So the site has the ability in

1975
01:36:37,767 --> 01:36:39,634
those two locations to add parking.

1976
01:36:42,033 --> 01:36:44,100
Why aren't we building those right out of the box?

1977
01:36:44,100 --> 01:36:44,166
Well,

1978
01:36:45,300 --> 01:36:46,266
they're expensive.

1979
01:36:48,033 --> 01:36:49,433
And we don't want to overbuild parking.

1980
01:36:50,900 --> 01:36:52,867
We wanna look at it for that first year monitor.

1981
01:36:53,367 --> 01:36:54,900
See what that right number is.

1982
01:36:55,834 --> 01:36:57,533
And then proceed. And of course, any type of.

1983
01:36:58,300 --> 01:37:01,033
Parking improvement would require us to come back to this

1984
01:37:01,033 --> 01:37:02,266
board for approval.

1985
01:37:03,867 --> 01:37:06,066
Okay. The application also included.

1986
01:37:07,066 --> 01:37:07,867
Included three waiver requests.

1987
01:37:09,133 --> 01:37:12,533
The first under 1 90, 1 60 posting of a bond.

1988
01:37:13,433 --> 01:37:15,567
Makes no sense that the city would have to post

1989
01:37:15,667 --> 01:37:16,367
a bond for their.

1990
01:37:17,133 --> 01:37:18,166
Construction of the disk golf course.

1991
01:37:20,133 --> 01:37:24,767
Second waiver 1 92 79 is a, a survey.

1992
01:37:25,533 --> 01:37:31,066
Requirement they're seeking waiver of that. And then under 1 90, 2 79,

1993
01:37:31,533 --> 01:37:32,166
EE, the survey.

1994
01:37:33,133 --> 01:37:35,000
Of all parcels within a thousand feet.

1995
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:39,900
The submitted letter by D P w states, the reasons

1996
01:37:39,900 --> 01:37:40,867
and justifications.

1997
01:37:42,700 --> 01:37:43,033
In summary.

1998
01:37:44,767 --> 01:37:46,500
We believe the project is being designed.

1999
01:37:47,266 --> 01:37:50,000
In a, in a responsible way in accordance.

2000
01:37:50,867 --> 01:37:52,033
With the Nashua master plan.

2001
01:37:53,266 --> 01:37:56,333
And more importantly, in accordance with your national land use

2002
01:37:56,333 --> 01:37:59,834
code section 1 91 40 60 D.

2003
01:38:01,634 --> 01:38:04,867
As you know, there's 19 criteria for approving a plan.

2004
01:38:05,900 --> 01:38:08,266
It is our testimony this evening that we comply to

2005
01:38:08,266 --> 01:38:09,533
those 19 criteria.

2006
01:38:11,467 --> 01:38:13,500
The addition of a disc golf course at Robie park

2007
01:38:13,567 --> 01:38:17,066
truly provides an exciting programming opportunity for the city.

2008
01:38:18,266 --> 01:38:20,634
Staff has done a good job in their review. They've

2009
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:22,567
identified a number of conditions.

2010
01:38:23,567 --> 01:38:24,634
That are of approval.

2011
01:38:25,700 --> 01:38:27,133
That are acceptable to the D P w.

2012
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:32,100
And with that, Mr. Chairman, I've gotten through my notes.

2013
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,133
I'd be happy to answer questions. If you do ask

2014
01:38:36,133 --> 01:38:38,767
me a question that, that I don't feel I'm qualified

2015
01:38:38,767 --> 01:38:40,033
or capable of answering.

2016
01:38:41,133 --> 01:38:43,634
I'm gonna call up some teammates and, and ask them

2017
01:38:43,734 --> 01:38:46,100
to, to answer questions. So thank you for your time.

2018
01:38:47,066 --> 01:38:49,000
Jim. Thank you. Just before we.

2019
01:38:49,700 --> 01:38:51,634
Open it up to the board. Was there anyone else

2020
01:38:51,634 --> 01:38:53,667
on the project team that was, that was.

2021
01:38:55,166 --> 01:38:59,100
Programmed to speak tonight or, or just on Q and

2022
01:38:59,100 --> 01:39:01,100
a. That was it. Okay. All right.

2023
01:39:02,900 --> 01:39:04,266
Questions from the board at this time.

2024
01:39:06,100 --> 01:39:08,000
Mr. Go ahead, please. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2025
01:39:08,934 --> 01:39:11,133
And Jimmy did a good job of preempting, a bunch

2026
01:39:11,133 --> 01:39:13,100
of my questions to your presentation. So I appreciate that.

2027
01:39:15,300 --> 01:39:17,100
The, the one thing that I wanted to follow up

2028
01:39:17,100 --> 01:39:18,533
on at the moment was just.

2029
01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:22,000
To understand a little bit more.

2030
01:39:23,133 --> 01:39:26,300
You, you noted the issue about, or I should say

2031
01:39:26,300 --> 01:39:27,033
the, the sort of.

2032
01:39:27,834 --> 01:39:30,567
The design where the, the holes are gonna run.

2033
01:39:31,634 --> 01:39:33,066
Sort of parallel with the existing trail.

2034
01:39:34,367 --> 01:39:35,300
In a number of places.

2035
01:39:37,033 --> 01:39:40,767
With the, the expectation that those two uses can coexist.

2036
01:39:41,900 --> 01:39:44,000
And so I gather that there's not a proposal, for

2037
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:46,033
example, to reroute the trail.

2038
01:39:47,066 --> 01:39:49,333
That it's gonna run through the course of the.

2039
01:39:50,100 --> 01:39:51,533
Of the disc golf course. So.

2040
01:39:52,367 --> 01:39:54,667
Can you just speak to that a little bit more

2041
01:39:54,700 --> 01:39:55,266
in terms of.

2042
01:39:56,166 --> 01:39:57,266
How the sort of

2043
01:39:58,467 --> 01:39:59,867
pedestrians on the trail.

2044
01:40:00,900 --> 01:40:02,867
Have the right of way, just practically on the ground

2045
01:40:02,867 --> 01:40:03,867
with sure. That looks like sure.

2046
01:40:05,367 --> 01:40:08,333
So that plays into the safety piece that we're all

2047
01:40:08,333 --> 01:40:09,066
concerned about.

2048
01:40:11,634 --> 01:40:11,867
The

2049
01:40:13,900 --> 01:40:15,300
the layout of the golf course.

2050
01:40:17,433 --> 01:40:18,333
Has tried to

2051
01:40:19,233 --> 01:40:20,000
first and foremost.

2052
01:40:21,533 --> 01:40:25,000
Have the, the existing trail crossings in the wetland locations.

2053
01:40:26,100 --> 01:40:28,033
Locations matched. Okay. As best we can.

2054
01:40:30,333 --> 01:40:32,567
I believe that there are also.

2055
01:40:33,333 --> 01:40:34,000
Areas where

2056
01:40:35,634 --> 01:40:38,667
the existing trail runs parallel to one of the frizz

2057
01:40:38,667 --> 01:40:39,333
disc golf holes.

2058
01:40:40,734 --> 01:40:43,367
The, the, the rules will be clear that they have

2059
01:40:43,367 --> 01:40:44,000
the right of way.

2060
01:40:44,934 --> 01:40:47,266
And presumably the, the users of the trail will, will

2061
01:40:47,266 --> 01:40:49,100
move forward to a safe position before.

2062
01:40:50,100 --> 01:40:54,667
The disc is thrown during construction. We, we, we discussed

2063
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:56,734
that if we find.

2064
01:40:57,700 --> 01:41:00,433
That there's areas that are potentially blind spots.

2065
01:41:01,533 --> 01:41:05,567
That we would want to remedy that during construction, we

2066
01:41:05,567 --> 01:41:06,634
would wanna make sure.

2067
01:41:07,634 --> 01:41:07,767
That

2068
01:41:10,233 --> 01:41:10,567
that

2069
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:14,033
visibility was improved so that.

2070
01:41:15,233 --> 01:41:18,300
The disc thrower can see that there's people actively walking

2071
01:41:18,500 --> 01:41:22,166
in that location. And then lastly, we, we, we, we

2072
01:41:22,166 --> 01:41:25,900
totally realize that there's a likelihood during construction, that some

2073
01:41:25,900 --> 01:41:26,433
of those trails.

2074
01:41:27,433 --> 01:41:31,133
Trails could be relocated. I noticed in the drawings that.

2075
01:41:32,166 --> 01:41:35,166
Some of the trails could very easily be.

2076
01:41:36,033 --> 01:41:37,867
Slightly modified. So they be.

2077
01:41:38,667 --> 01:41:41,867
They actually go behind a, a, a, a team area.

2078
01:41:42,867 --> 01:41:46,066
Or away from a basket area and, okay. So that,

2079
01:41:46,066 --> 01:41:49,100
that is potentially available as an option as you're actually

2080
01:41:49,100 --> 01:41:49,667
absolutely.

2081
01:41:51,834 --> 01:41:54,000
So my response is kind of a combination of, of

2082
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:56,166
all those things. It's it's signage, it's awareness.

2083
01:41:57,834 --> 01:42:00,767
It's during construction, trying to minimize.

2084
01:42:01,700 --> 01:42:04,000
The, the blind areas as best as possible. Okay.

2085
01:42:04,934 --> 01:42:05,300
Thank you.

2086
01:42:07,500 --> 01:42:09,300
Other questions from the board Ms. Harper, please.

2087
01:42:10,300 --> 01:42:13,867
Yes. When you were talking about the bridges going, you

2088
01:42:13,867 --> 01:42:17,066
know, the new bridges that could be constructed over the

2089
01:42:17,066 --> 01:42:18,066
wetland areas.

2090
01:42:19,066 --> 01:42:21,867
Areas is that essentially gonna be walking between holes?

2091
01:42:22,867 --> 01:42:26,033
Is that, that, that area won't necessarily be part of

2092
01:42:26,066 --> 01:42:26,266
a hole.

2093
01:42:27,233 --> 01:42:29,100
It, it could be, yes. Some of the holes do

2094
01:42:29,133 --> 01:42:30,100
cross the wetland.

2095
01:42:30,867 --> 01:42:32,066
Complex. And so

2096
01:42:34,033 --> 01:42:37,333
the way it's been presented in the drawings is those

2097
01:42:37,634 --> 01:42:39,533
as I, I tried to talk a little bit about

2098
01:42:39,533 --> 01:42:40,667
that. Those crossings.

2099
01:42:41,700 --> 01:42:45,066
Crossings are either, I think there's three or possibly four

2100
01:42:45,066 --> 01:42:47,266
that already exist that are being maintained.

2101
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:50,333
As trails would be within a hole.

2102
01:42:51,233 --> 01:42:53,266
The, the goal is to try to get people channelized.

2103
01:42:54,100 --> 01:42:56,133
Through, you know, 18 inch high staking or maybe some

2104
01:42:56,233 --> 01:42:56,867
low roping.

2105
01:42:57,700 --> 01:42:59,100
To keep people to walk through there, but they could

2106
01:42:59,133 --> 01:42:59,367
be.

2107
01:43:00,166 --> 01:43:03,266
Within a playing hole. Yes. And not necessarily in between

2108
01:43:03,367 --> 01:43:05,634
a, a teeing area and a, in a basket area.

2109
01:43:07,367 --> 01:43:10,100
I guess what I I think about is my own

2110
01:43:10,100 --> 01:43:14,834
golfing skills and Frisbee skills, and it flying into the

2111
01:43:15,100 --> 01:43:16,033
wetlands beyond.

2112
01:43:17,066 --> 01:43:18,667
I guess the roped areas. Yeah.

2113
01:43:19,433 --> 01:43:21,000
I mean, is there anything to help?

2114
01:43:22,100 --> 01:43:24,066
Yeah, help prevent that to some degree.

2115
01:43:26,033 --> 01:43:28,634
I'm not a disc golf course designer, so I I'm

2116
01:43:28,634 --> 01:43:30,533
sure there's science to it. And I'm sure there's metrics

2117
01:43:30,767 --> 01:43:31,000
to it.

2118
01:43:32,033 --> 01:43:35,033
And I do believe it's been taken into consideration, but

2119
01:43:35,100 --> 01:43:37,166
I'm not gonna stand here and tell you somebody's not

2120
01:43:37,166 --> 01:43:40,033
gonna throw something into a wetland, cuz they likely are.

2121
01:43:40,100 --> 01:43:43,734
Yeah. That point did come up during the conservation hearing,

2122
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:46,300
you can walk in a wetland.

2123
01:43:48,767 --> 01:43:49,533
That's allowed.

2124
01:43:51,333 --> 01:43:52,000
Thankfully

2125
01:43:53,133 --> 01:43:55,166
through the main body of the course we're, we're, we're

2126
01:43:55,166 --> 01:43:57,567
working through kind of the narrowest part of the wetland,

2127
01:43:57,567 --> 01:43:59,734
which I think is, is, is, is helpful.

2128
01:44:01,166 --> 01:44:03,500
And then I spoke to and showed you. It's why

2129
01:44:03,500 --> 01:44:06,066
I brought the picture of those retrievers to hopefully get

2130
01:44:06,066 --> 01:44:06,634
people to.

2131
01:44:07,433 --> 01:44:09,000
Use those to get the disks out, but.

2132
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:12,634
Again, the goal will be to minimize and it's gotta

2133
01:44:12,634 --> 01:44:16,500
be with signage and possibly enforcement. You know, that you've

2134
01:44:16,500 --> 01:44:18,100
gotta stay out of those areas, but.

2135
01:44:19,367 --> 01:44:20,300
I, I, I do think.

2136
01:44:21,133 --> 01:44:23,000
There will be discs thrown into wetlands. Yeah.

2137
01:44:24,734 --> 01:44:25,300
I think so, too.

2138
01:44:27,033 --> 01:44:30,033
I had one more question, please continue. And then just

2139
01:44:30,100 --> 01:44:30,867
as far as.

2140
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:34,166
You know, monitoring parking going forward.

2141
01:44:35,367 --> 01:44:37,567
I mean, what does the parking look like now?

2142
01:44:38,467 --> 01:44:40,166
Before the disc golf is even open.

2143
01:44:42,066 --> 01:44:45,000
Yeah. I'm I know there's wonderful weather days where people

2144
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:48,100
are actively using the park and softball is busy.

2145
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:51,333
You know, we do have the non coincidental sports with

2146
01:44:51,333 --> 01:44:54,867
the winter sports. So they typically wouldn't. Wouldn't coincide.

2147
01:44:56,266 --> 01:44:58,767
We know Ruby park is a popular destination.

2148
01:45:00,500 --> 01:45:01,100
We think

2149
01:45:01,900 --> 01:45:04,066
that everyday play.

2150
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:07,567
There'll be enough, there'll be enough parking for, and that's

2151
01:45:07,567 --> 01:45:09,266
why we wanna look at it and see it. And

2152
01:45:09,266 --> 01:45:11,734
they're gonna keep track of it and do parking counts

2153
01:45:11,767 --> 01:45:14,433
and, and then say, you know what? We don't want

2154
01:45:14,433 --> 01:45:16,667
a crisis. The DPW does not want to create a

2155
01:45:16,667 --> 01:45:18,867
problem at RO park. It's one of the gems in

2156
01:45:18,867 --> 01:45:21,166
the, the city. There's no doubt about it. It, so

2157
01:45:21,166 --> 01:45:23,100
if they find they need park, thank.

2158
01:45:23,233 --> 01:45:25,500
Thankfully we've got land to, to build the parking, but

2159
01:45:25,500 --> 01:45:27,000
they don't want to come out of the box over

2160
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:28,100
building parking either.

2161
01:45:30,934 --> 01:45:32,767
So, yeah, sure. Peak days and.

2162
01:45:33,533 --> 01:45:35,433
You know, attorney Pearlman had an interesting.

2163
01:45:36,367 --> 01:45:39,734
Dynamic. He said to me that in preparing for this

2164
01:45:39,734 --> 01:45:40,033
evening,

2165
01:45:40,934 --> 01:45:42,500
he said one of the benefits here is that the

2166
01:45:42,500 --> 01:45:43,100
city's the owner.

2167
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:46,033
And they can really do something about it and watch

2168
01:45:46,066 --> 01:45:46,166
this.

2169
01:45:47,667 --> 01:45:50,100
We know there's a very successful gas station on DW

2170
01:45:50,100 --> 01:45:53,300
highway, south BJ's gas. It's extremely popular.

2171
01:45:54,300 --> 01:45:56,333
And if you've ever been by there, it can get

2172
01:45:56,333 --> 01:45:58,734
really, really, really, really, really busy.

2173
01:45:59,834 --> 01:46:02,500
And yet there's little or no recourse. The city has

2174
01:46:02,500 --> 01:46:05,100
when people back out into the streets, but here.

2175
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:09,066
By the city owning it. They, they can correct their

2176
01:46:09,066 --> 01:46:09,867
problems much readily.

2177
01:46:11,166 --> 01:46:12,333
Thank you. Thank you.

2178
01:46:14,166 --> 01:46:17,000
Mr. Green, please. I'm not very familiar with this park. Is

2179
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:19,500
there a reason it's open from six a to 10

2180
01:46:19,667 --> 01:46:22,667
P instead of dust to Dawn? Or is that already

2181
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:24,266
the Park's operating hours?

2182
01:46:25,333 --> 01:46:28,100
Yeah, I believe park hours in the city are fixed

2183
01:46:28,166 --> 01:46:30,100
at 7:00 AM to 10:00 PM.

2184
01:46:30,867 --> 01:46:34,834
Okay, thank you. The site plan did have 6:00 AM to

2185
01:46:34,900 --> 01:46:36,333
did it 10:00 PM. Yeah.

2186
01:46:41,066 --> 01:46:43,000
Questions, other questions from the board at this time.

2187
01:46:48,433 --> 01:46:49,500
For attorney Pearlman.

2188
01:46:50,367 --> 01:46:51,634
Or public works either.

2189
01:46:53,300 --> 01:46:54,333
No. All right.

2190
01:46:55,500 --> 01:46:56,834
Scene none at this time.

2191
01:46:57,700 --> 01:46:59,333
Okay, Jim. Thank you. Yes. Thank you.

2192
01:47:03,567 --> 01:47:05,266
What I would like to do as you've seen the

2193
01:47:05,266 --> 01:47:05,834
prior cases.

2194
01:47:06,667 --> 01:47:08,033
You would like to open this up to the public?

2195
01:47:08,066 --> 01:47:08,667
Could I.

2196
01:47:09,533 --> 01:47:12,166
We usually do folks with opposition or concern.

2197
01:47:13,133 --> 01:47:14,333
Can I get a quick show of hands just to

2198
01:47:14,333 --> 01:47:16,333
gauge how many folks are here tonight to speak on

2199
01:47:16,333 --> 01:47:18,734
this application in opposition or with concern?

2200
01:47:20,333 --> 01:47:22,867
Okay. What I

2201
01:47:23,634 --> 01:47:25,634
am going to do just out of.

2202
01:47:27,100 --> 01:47:27,900
Due diligence.

2203
01:47:28,767 --> 01:47:30,533
I do just want to reiterate everybody that wants to

2204
01:47:30,533 --> 01:47:32,100
speak is gonna get a chance to speak.

2205
01:47:33,166 --> 01:47:36,500
What I would kindly request is to not duplicate things

2206
01:47:36,500 --> 01:47:39,066
which have already been stated. You're certainly more than welcome

2207
01:47:39,367 --> 01:47:39,634
to.

2208
01:47:40,567 --> 01:47:42,767
Have you turn at the microphone, say you're opposed to

2209
01:47:42,767 --> 01:47:45,100
the project for all the reasons previously stated.

2210
01:47:46,100 --> 01:47:49,100
Stated. The other thing I would mention is that there's

2211
01:47:49,100 --> 01:47:51,300
no need to read verbatim a letter, which is already

2212
01:47:51,300 --> 01:47:52,066
part of the record.

2213
01:47:53,767 --> 01:47:55,767
Like to try to limit this to about a half

2214
01:47:55,767 --> 01:47:56,433
an hour or so.

2215
01:47:57,533 --> 01:48:00,166
So the longer, the longer that you go, you're just

2216
01:48:00,166 --> 01:48:02,066
potentially taking away from your neighbor.

2217
01:48:03,834 --> 01:48:06,634
Obviously, as I mentioned earlier, the board has the right

2218
01:48:06,734 --> 01:48:07,033
to.

2219
01:48:08,133 --> 01:48:11,433
Stop hearing public testimony at 10 o'clock.

2220
01:48:12,166 --> 01:48:15,033
There is still other board business this evening beyond this

2221
01:48:15,066 --> 01:48:15,166
case.

2222
01:48:16,033 --> 01:48:18,100
That being said, I would kindly invite you.

2223
01:48:19,066 --> 01:48:21,166
You can form a line, however you wish to do.

2224
01:48:21,166 --> 01:48:22,300
So if you're able to stand.

2225
01:48:23,066 --> 01:48:25,066
But please just come up to the, to the podium,

2226
01:48:25,066 --> 01:48:26,667
introduce yourself for the record, please.

2227
01:48:27,634 --> 01:48:30,433
Thank you, Mr. Chairman members of the planning board, John Sullivan,

2228
01:48:30,467 --> 01:48:34,333
30 Holbrook drive, Nashua New Hampshire. And I also rise tonight.

2229
01:48:35,233 --> 01:48:39,000
As ward nine alderman, which Rob park sits within.

2230
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:43,033
To speak concerns from residents that I've heard from.

2231
01:48:45,166 --> 01:48:48,634
And I also speak to appeal to your spirit of

2232
01:48:48,634 --> 01:48:51,000
compromise because I do have a solution.

2233
01:48:52,233 --> 01:48:53,300
To this, and I believe.

2234
01:48:54,100 --> 01:48:57,867
Could work for all parties involved, but first the disc

2235
01:48:57,867 --> 01:48:59,634
golf saga, as far as I know it.

2236
01:49:00,567 --> 01:49:03,066
Started in the summer of 2021.

2237
01:49:04,533 --> 01:49:07,100
When a group of disc golf enthusiasts approached the board

2238
01:49:07,100 --> 01:49:08,767
of public works in August.

2239
01:49:09,533 --> 01:49:11,367
At that midday meeting in the middle of the summer.

2240
01:49:12,367 --> 01:49:15,266
This group made their pitch to use the city land

2241
01:49:15,266 --> 01:49:18,266
for disc golf course. The following month, it was approved.

2242
01:49:20,033 --> 01:49:21,300
All but one of the D P w.

2243
01:49:22,333 --> 01:49:24,033
Directors voted to move forward with it.

2244
01:49:24,934 --> 01:49:28,033
One director asked a table. It until residents surrounding the

2245
01:49:28,033 --> 01:49:29,000
park were notified.

2246
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:31,734
And allow them to speak to the public.

2247
01:49:32,767 --> 01:49:35,266
To the change in use for this city owned public

2248
01:49:35,333 --> 01:49:35,667
park.

2249
01:49:36,767 --> 01:49:38,166
Unfortunately, none of that happened.

2250
01:49:39,233 --> 01:49:40,734
Before this project was approved.

2251
01:49:41,934 --> 01:49:44,166
In early spring, 2022.

2252
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:47,266
I was then ward, alderman. And that's when I got

2253
01:49:47,433 --> 01:49:48,166
involved in this project.

2254
01:49:49,667 --> 01:49:52,033
When I was called down to the site to find

2255
01:49:52,100 --> 01:49:55,767
that trees were being cut and brush taken away for

2256
01:49:55,767 --> 01:49:56,066
the course.

2257
01:49:57,233 --> 01:49:59,333
Since then the project has been stalled.

2258
01:50:00,500 --> 01:50:03,100
And there've been many meetings, both small and large in

2259
01:50:03,100 --> 01:50:06,000
this room and in the conservation commission and, and other

2260
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:07,066
meetings that you've mentioned.

2261
01:50:08,500 --> 01:50:11,166
As a city representative of this ward, a majority of

2262
01:50:11,166 --> 01:50:13,000
the residents that I've heard from.

2263
01:50:14,033 --> 01:50:15,000
Are against this.

2264
01:50:16,567 --> 01:50:20,000
I've personally met and heard from residents on Southgate drive.

2265
01:50:20,934 --> 01:50:25,433
Oak hill and Bayview condominiums. All of those are direct.

2266
01:50:25,433 --> 01:50:25,900
Abutters.

2267
01:50:27,066 --> 01:50:28,367
Butters to this portion of Rob park that will be

2268
01:50:28,367 --> 01:50:28,634
used.

2269
01:50:30,033 --> 01:50:33,166
My concerns as the ward alderman center on traffic.

2270
01:50:34,300 --> 01:50:37,000
Parking and keeping as much green space as possible.

2271
01:50:37,900 --> 01:50:39,100
Available to Nashua residents.

2272
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:43,734
Residence in reading the traffic assessment from February, 2025.

2273
01:50:44,567 --> 01:50:46,266
Normal operations at the disc Gulf.

2274
01:50:47,066 --> 01:50:48,834
Course was determined.

2275
01:50:49,700 --> 01:50:51,266
That parking and traffic would be ample.

2276
01:50:52,433 --> 01:50:55,533
It was noted that during special events, traffic and parking

2277
01:50:55,700 --> 01:50:57,867
may be impacted. That's where I'm concerned.

2278
01:50:58,667 --> 01:51:01,100
Knowing this area as I do it is these events.

2279
01:51:02,100 --> 01:51:03,000
Events that concern me most.

2280
01:51:04,367 --> 01:51:05,900
Now what I would

2281
01:51:06,667 --> 01:51:08,533
put forth on the public record.

2282
01:51:09,767 --> 01:51:11,100
Instead of an all or nothing.

2283
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:14,533
Allow disc golf to design a nine hole course.

2284
01:51:15,667 --> 01:51:16,166
A compromise.

2285
01:51:17,900 --> 01:51:21,133
A good compromise is one where both sides leave the

2286
01:51:21,133 --> 01:51:23,333
table feeling they didn't get everything they wanted.

2287
01:51:24,500 --> 01:51:27,767
But finish the negotiation, satisfied and agreement was made.

2288
01:51:29,300 --> 01:51:30,033
Nine holes.

2289
01:51:31,066 --> 01:51:34,000
Allows enjoyment for the disc golfers and non disc golfers

2290
01:51:34,100 --> 01:51:35,166
who use this public.

2291
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:39,667
City land. It should be fair to all concerned.

2292
01:51:40,567 --> 01:51:42,166
In this solution addresses just that.

2293
01:51:43,533 --> 01:51:45,867
I appreciate your time and I wish you luck in

2294
01:51:45,867 --> 01:51:47,300
your decision tonight. Thank you.

2295
01:51:48,166 --> 01:51:48,166
Thank you.

2296
01:51:52,667 --> 01:51:54,533
Hello. Good evening. My name's Michael gotk.

2297
01:51:56,033 --> 01:51:57,333
Guardian. Oh yeah. I'm sorry. Feel free to adjust that.

2298
01:52:03,100 --> 01:52:05,500
Hi, my name is Michael Gian. I'm a resident of

2299
01:52:05,500 --> 01:52:07,867
2 87 Eastville road, south Nashua.

2300
01:52:08,767 --> 01:52:11,066
Thank you for your time as you may. And right

2301
01:52:11,066 --> 01:52:14,000
now know, I've submitted a letter expressing my concerns about

2302
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:15,033
the proposed disc golf.

2303
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:19,033
Development at rugby park, highlighting the safety and equitable access

2304
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issues for south Nashua hikers and bikers.

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01:52:22,133 --> 01:52:25,300
The letter questions, the parks benefits relative to its ecological

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01:52:25,667 --> 01:52:26,867
and recreational costs.

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01:52:27,634 --> 01:52:29,767
And suggests an alternative site closer to downtown.

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01:52:30,867 --> 01:52:34,033
This alternative would improve access for Nashua's underserved communities.

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01:52:35,066 --> 01:52:37,000
And aligned with the city's investment in the downtown area.

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01:52:37,900 --> 01:52:40,133
Tonight. I'd like to supplement my letter with a request

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to revise and reposition the signage for the proposed golf

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01:52:43,634 --> 01:52:46,033
course at Rob disc golf course at Rob park.

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01:52:46,867 --> 01:52:48,734
I asked that the science be placed at the Trailhead

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01:52:49,033 --> 01:52:52,367
locations rather than the park entrances entrances, which many trail

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01:52:52,367 --> 01:52:53,500
users do not pass.

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01:52:54,467 --> 01:52:57,000
And include a clear description of the course's use and

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01:52:57,033 --> 01:52:58,133
its impact to the trail users.

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01:52:59,233 --> 01:53:00,367
This ensures that all park patrons.

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01:53:01,533 --> 01:53:03,000
Patrons are informed about the proposed changes.

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01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:06,433
Changes. I have a few comments from tonight that came

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01:53:06,433 --> 01:53:07,000
up from tonight.

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01:53:10,133 --> 01:53:10,867
One of the leading

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01:53:11,834 --> 01:53:14,066
benefits that was pointed out by the attorney who spoke

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01:53:14,066 --> 01:53:16,634
first on behalf of the discal was it was benefit

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01:53:16,700 --> 01:53:18,033
as an amenity to the city.

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01:53:21,133 --> 01:53:24,033
However, no data is available relative to Nashua's benefit from

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01:53:24,066 --> 01:53:25,300
a use or commercial sets.

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01:53:26,100 --> 01:53:28,266
600 signatures does not support either.

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01:53:30,333 --> 01:53:32,066
I want to know a little bit more about what

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01:53:32,100 --> 01:53:34,066
led to the selection of this site by the D

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01:53:34,100 --> 01:53:34,266
P w.

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01:53:35,066 --> 01:53:37,900
I've seen no evidence of this review or site alternatives

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01:53:37,934 --> 01:53:42,033
aside from the already existing and currently under you underutilized

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01:53:42,333 --> 01:53:43,867
disc golf course at Greeley park.

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01:53:46,734 --> 01:53:49,900
DPW stated that the landed RO park is underutilized.

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01:53:52,133 --> 01:53:54,567
But what method in reporting does the D P w

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01:53:54,667 --> 01:53:55,900
have to support that finding.

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01:53:57,734 --> 01:53:59,266
Annually port-a-potties burn.

2339
01:54:00,100 --> 01:54:03,133
Dumpsters are spilled over and littering occurs at Roe park.

2340
01:54:04,166 --> 01:54:07,333
When vandalism ultimately occurs at the diff disc golf course

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01:54:07,867 --> 01:54:09,767
who will pay for it for its repair.

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01:54:10,667 --> 01:54:14,033
Additionally enforcement of the course's care and adherence to the

2343
01:54:14,033 --> 01:54:15,533
park rules is admittedly.

2344
01:54:16,367 --> 01:54:18,000
Potentially necessary for the disc golf course.

2345
01:54:19,066 --> 01:54:20,433
Who will do that and who will pay for that?

2346
01:54:23,667 --> 01:54:26,634
Not all holes dis I don't know, with all respect.

2347
01:54:26,667 --> 01:54:27,767
I don't know if they're called the holes.

2348
01:54:28,567 --> 01:54:31,533
But with each hole on the course.

2349
01:54:32,367 --> 01:54:33,867
While some are parallel.

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01:54:34,667 --> 01:54:36,033
Some do cross over the trail head.

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01:54:36,934 --> 01:54:37,066
And

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01:54:39,066 --> 01:54:40,900
regardless of parallel, non.

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01:54:41,734 --> 01:54:45,667
Intercepting courses where trails and Hills align, what happens with

2354
01:54:45,667 --> 01:54:46,567
inaccurate throws?

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01:54:47,834 --> 01:54:49,533
Throws or in terms of.

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Blind spots.

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How topographical blind spots be accommodated.

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01:54:57,734 --> 01:55:00,367
So, you know, I think that these type of.

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Questions need answers before a decision can be made by

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01:55:03,533 --> 01:55:03,900
the public.

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01:55:05,033 --> 01:55:06,533
So, you know, in summary,

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01:55:07,634 --> 01:55:10,266
I'm really in favor of disc golfers, getting a great.

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01:55:11,166 --> 01:55:13,000
Facility that's worthy of use.

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And that's awesome. I, I, I don't want to be

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01:55:16,367 --> 01:55:17,066
negative about that.

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01:55:18,734 --> 01:55:21,033
But I love the trails, the trail system, as it

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is. I'm a user amongst many others.

2368
01:55:24,133 --> 01:55:26,834
And I think there's a tremendous vagueness about this plan

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at current.

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And it prevents the public from weighing in on this

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project in a.

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Meaningful manner.

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Those are my comments. Thank you for your time.

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Thank

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good evening. Hi, good evening. My name is Denise Oli.

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I'm a director butter.

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01:55:46,300 --> 01:55:49,033
To Oak hill at six Midhurst. I also sent you

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01:55:49,033 --> 01:55:51,300
a letter. I don't know if I heard incorrectly in

2379
01:55:51,300 --> 01:55:53,433
the beginning. I think you said there was only one

2380
01:55:53,433 --> 01:55:55,133
letter of opposition received.

2381
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No, there was, we received a package. Okay. It was

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one document, but it were, there were a series of

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01:56:00,634 --> 01:56:03,100
oh, perfect letter letters. Yes. Okay. My, sorry, I got

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01:56:03,100 --> 01:56:06,100
that wrong. So a couple of concerns I have, I'll

2385
01:56:06,100 --> 01:56:09,033
try not to duplicate, duplicate what, you know, I said

2386
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in the letter.

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With the bridges, they have to go through N H

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D E S for approval. I don't see anything on

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01:56:16,266 --> 01:56:18,333
there saying that there was an application done.

2390
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I talked to Peter at N HDS today.

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01:56:22,100 --> 01:56:24,000
And he said those bridges have to go through the

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state for approval.

2393
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The other issue is they're gonna use epoxy on it

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01:56:27,533 --> 01:56:29,734
and know that it's recommended by the.

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Manufacturer that epoxy should be applied offsite if possible. And

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01:56:33,934 --> 01:56:36,433
if not, they have to be very careful that it

2397
01:56:36,433 --> 01:56:38,734
doesn't drip into the wetlands. Cuz we're gonna have some

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01:56:38,734 --> 01:56:41,100
serious ecological problems as a result.

2399
01:56:42,100 --> 01:56:43,333
So that's an issue. And then.

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01:56:44,166 --> 01:56:46,333
If it's not drying, you got dog walkers walking through,

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01:56:46,500 --> 01:56:48,667
and while the animals are gonna get epoxy all over

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01:56:48,667 --> 01:56:51,266
them, which would be that, that is a hazardous material.

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I'm concerned about the aesthetics.

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01:56:55,433 --> 01:56:57,900
Aesthetics from, you know, from where we live directly abutting

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01:56:57,900 --> 01:57:00,667
the cause we are gonna have markers and ropes and

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01:57:00,767 --> 01:57:03,066
signs and baskets at six in the morning.

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01:57:04,066 --> 01:57:06,667
I, I don't think that even passes the city of

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01:57:06,667 --> 01:57:08,000
Nashua's noise ordinance.

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01:57:10,233 --> 01:57:11,033
With the parking

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01:57:11,834 --> 01:57:14,100
if they choose to park down by the ad, parking

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01:57:14,166 --> 01:57:16,033
down by the lower lot, that's a problem.

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01:57:16,934 --> 01:57:19,133
Nobody could tell me if that was a Vernal pool

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01:57:19,133 --> 01:57:22,734
at all. Vernal pool has a lot of ecological significance.

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01:57:23,634 --> 01:57:25,266
Right now, N H D E S is calling that

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01:57:25,266 --> 01:57:28,567
emergent wetland. That's a 40 foot buffer. So if you

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01:57:28,567 --> 01:57:31,133
have cars parking in there and asphalt and all of

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01:57:31,133 --> 01:57:31,333
that.

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In addition to the trash that I have had to

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01:57:34,166 --> 01:57:35,033
pick out of you.

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With sticks and stuff. That's, that's another huge problem. So

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01:57:39,333 --> 01:57:41,433
that can't be used for parking. I don't think that's

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01:57:41,433 --> 01:57:42,533
gonna pass anybody's.

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01:57:43,433 --> 01:57:46,634
Anybody's you know, review we're gonna have, so we're gonna

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01:57:46,667 --> 01:57:49,100
cut down trees when all of the wildlife are raising

2425
01:57:49,100 --> 01:57:52,000
their babies, is that what's gonna happen. We have Bobcat,

2426
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:55,533
we have Fox families, Bobcat, families. We have coyote families.

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01:57:56,700 --> 01:57:59,900
All living in those rock croppings mm-hmm and those

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01:57:59,900 --> 01:58:01,767
are going to be used for what? I don't know.

2429
01:58:02,667 --> 01:58:05,266
I hope that somebody gives some thought to the wildlife

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01:58:05,266 --> 01:58:06,066
that lived there.

2431
01:58:06,867 --> 01:58:09,433
Because it's not feeding them, especially at this time of

2432
01:58:09,433 --> 01:58:12,033
year, they'll be gone soon enough from wearing their babies.

2433
01:58:12,934 --> 01:58:15,634
Trash barrels in the woods, not a good idea. Talk

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01:58:15,634 --> 01:58:17,066
to any fish and game person.

2435
01:58:18,100 --> 01:58:20,767
Not a good idea. You're gonna have bears getting in

2436
01:58:20,767 --> 01:58:23,033
there, getting habituated there's bear back there.

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01:58:23,834 --> 01:58:25,266
So, I guess, guess who has to suffer when the

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01:58:25,266 --> 01:58:28,300
bears habituated, they're gonna come up to our dumpsters, looking

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01:58:28,300 --> 01:58:29,000
for food.

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01:58:29,934 --> 01:58:31,000
And we're gonna have

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01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:34,533
you know, all kinds of rodents and stuff. And you

2442
01:58:34,533 --> 01:58:37,000
know, if you drive up the apex predators, the rodents

2443
01:58:37,000 --> 01:58:39,100
are gonna come onto our property. That's a problem.

2444
01:58:40,767 --> 01:58:43,533
Lights. This is another thing. So at 10 o'clock in

2445
01:58:43,533 --> 01:58:45,767
the say they're playing at nine o'clock or at seven

2446
01:58:45,767 --> 01:58:48,634
o'clock it's dock out. They got headlamps to find the

2447
01:58:48,700 --> 01:58:50,433
discs, the baskets. I mean,

2448
01:58:51,233 --> 01:58:53,367
how are they gonna know if there's a Diaz standing

2449
01:58:53,433 --> 01:58:55,333
near that tree? How are they gonna know if there's

2450
01:58:55,333 --> 01:58:56,367
an owl on that ranch?

2451
01:58:57,333 --> 01:58:59,133
They're not gonna know any of these things. They're headlights.

2452
01:58:59,133 --> 01:59:01,367
Aren't gonna show the headlights. Aren't gonna show if there's

2453
01:59:01,367 --> 01:59:03,000
a bunch of kids sitting there partying in the woods,

2454
01:59:03,567 --> 01:59:06,300
although they'll probably hear the kids partying. So these are

2455
01:59:06,300 --> 01:59:08,900
things you know, that have really, I don't think enough

2456
01:59:08,900 --> 01:59:11,667
thoughts go into it. Also the, I don't see in

2457
01:59:11,667 --> 01:59:14,166
the packet, a current now natural heritage bureau.

2458
01:59:16,066 --> 01:59:20,000
Certificate it expired on 9 20, 23 for this project. I don't

2459
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:21,900
see that anybody else has put that up there.

2460
01:59:22,667 --> 01:59:25,100
Lastly, I gave you guys a in the letter.

2461
01:59:26,100 --> 01:59:27,166
Hopefully you got it.

2462
01:59:28,367 --> 01:59:31,033
I show that it, that it is conservation land. And

2463
01:59:31,033 --> 01:59:33,000
when I went to the register of deeds, he agreed

2464
01:59:33,000 --> 01:59:34,066
with me. So.

2465
01:59:35,066 --> 01:59:37,000
Somebody's gonna fix some records. If you're all not saying

2466
01:59:37,000 --> 01:59:39,634
that that's conservation land, that's a big problem.

2467
01:59:40,767 --> 01:59:42,100
Because it is listed.

2468
01:59:42,867 --> 01:59:44,567
On the current maps, G I S I checked with

2469
01:59:44,700 --> 01:59:46,834
kata Faulk to make sure I was using the right

2470
01:59:46,834 --> 01:59:49,734
system. And that's listed as conservation land. There's a small,

2471
01:59:49,734 --> 01:59:52,166
like one acre plot. And then there's a 57 acre

2472
01:59:52,166 --> 01:59:55,900
plot listed as conservation land. Somebody should, should look at

2473
01:59:55,900 --> 01:59:58,100
the that and make sure because if that is conservation

2474
01:59:58,100 --> 02:00:00,033
land, it does not allow.

2475
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:01,567
But active.

2476
02:00:03,700 --> 02:00:04,367
Only passive.

2477
02:00:05,133 --> 02:00:08,667
Activities disc golf is considered an active activity.

2478
02:00:11,500 --> 02:00:13,634
Zoning was told that it wasn't supposed to be any

2479
02:00:13,634 --> 02:00:17,266
impervious services. Now we have signs that are impervious services.

2480
02:00:18,667 --> 02:00:19,033
Services. I mean,

2481
02:00:21,266 --> 02:00:23,667
I agree with the nine holes. If, if you know,

2482
02:00:23,900 --> 02:00:25,834
I agree with the compromise, I don't like it, but

2483
02:00:25,834 --> 02:00:26,634
I would agree to it.

2484
02:00:27,634 --> 02:00:29,567
Before we start doing a bunch of appeals and stuff

2485
02:00:29,734 --> 02:00:31,333
and crossing everybody a lot of money.

2486
02:00:32,367 --> 02:00:33,433
Point six, six.

2487
02:00:34,667 --> 02:00:39,033
Hundred people were interested in this that's only 0.6 0.6%

2488
02:00:39,033 --> 02:00:40,000
of national citizens.

2489
02:00:41,333 --> 02:00:42,667
That are supposedly interested.

2490
02:00:43,867 --> 02:00:45,767
I had a petition. I had 700 people.

2491
02:00:46,867 --> 02:00:50,066
They had 600 and we've spent way more than the,

2492
02:00:50,533 --> 02:00:53,500
we were allowed a 30 K grant, $30,000 grant from

2493
02:00:53,500 --> 02:00:54,300
the rotary club.

2494
02:00:55,066 --> 02:00:58,000
We've already spent 45,000 total.

2495
02:00:59,066 --> 02:01:00,567
15 of that, I believe came from the grant.

2496
02:01:01,533 --> 02:01:03,533
So I don't think they should be granted any hardships.

2497
02:01:04,367 --> 02:01:07,000
Everything should be plotted. And the site plan should all

2498
02:01:07,000 --> 02:01:07,166
be done.

2499
02:01:10,467 --> 02:01:13,133
And the professional disc office. I'm not trying to insult

2500
02:01:13,133 --> 02:01:16,433
anybody, but they do not have degrees in forestry. They

2501
02:01:16,433 --> 02:01:19,066
do not have degrees in wetland. They're PR their goal

2502
02:01:19,066 --> 02:01:21,867
is to make it a challenging game without worrying about

2503
02:01:21,867 --> 02:01:23,567
the other stuff. And there's no certification.

2504
02:01:24,767 --> 02:01:25,433
And lastly

2505
02:01:27,166 --> 02:01:30,033
so as far as safety goes, you know, you can

2506
02:01:30,033 --> 02:01:31,834
have all the rules in place and things are gonna

2507
02:01:31,834 --> 02:01:32,166
go wrong.

2508
02:01:33,133 --> 02:01:35,033
Couple years ago, something got hit in the face with

2509
02:01:35,066 --> 02:01:37,333
a puck because the guy's playing hockey. Wouldn't get off

2510
02:01:37,333 --> 02:01:38,433
for regular skate time.

2511
02:01:39,300 --> 02:01:41,300
I myself was driving down spit Brook road.

2512
02:01:42,100 --> 02:01:44,033
And a pot came flying by and almost hit the

2513
02:01:44,033 --> 02:01:44,266
car.

2514
02:01:45,333 --> 02:01:46,734
Which I wouldn't really care if it hit the car,

2515
02:01:46,734 --> 02:01:49,033
but if it went through my windshield and hit me

2516
02:01:49,033 --> 02:01:50,500
in the head, that would be a problem.

2517
02:01:51,433 --> 02:01:53,333
So you can say that it's going to be safe.

2518
02:01:54,300 --> 02:01:56,300
But I have my doubts and I don't think that

2519
02:01:56,300 --> 02:01:59,100
anybody here in this room is going to be unsafe.

2520
02:02:00,066 --> 02:02:02,000
But there's gonna be a bunch of people playing it.

2521
02:02:02,066 --> 02:02:03,266
That won't be safe.

2522
02:02:04,166 --> 02:02:05,834
Thank you for your time. Thank you.

2523
02:02:09,166 --> 02:02:13,000
Hi, good evening. Good evening. My name is Judy Taylor and

2524
02:02:13,033 --> 02:02:17,500
I live at 11 1 11 Hawthorne village road. Excuse me, in

2525
02:02:17,500 --> 02:02:21,166
sky meadow. And I'm a opposed to the.

2526
02:02:22,100 --> 02:02:22,100
Project.

2527
02:02:24,367 --> 02:02:27,100
For many reasons, but I'll just talk on traffic right

2528
02:02:27,100 --> 02:02:27,133
now.

2529
02:02:28,166 --> 02:02:31,767
It's very difficult right now with nothing else going on

2530
02:02:31,834 --> 02:02:33,066
just in everyday traffic.

2531
02:02:34,100 --> 02:02:36,033
To get out of sky meadow. We have to wait

2532
02:02:36,033 --> 02:02:37,266
sometimes 25 cars.

2533
02:02:38,100 --> 02:02:40,000
Before we can get out. So.

2534
02:02:44,533 --> 02:02:48,100
The application says there's no effect upon the surrounding traffic

2535
02:02:48,100 --> 02:02:50,066
congestion of pedestrian safety.

2536
02:02:51,066 --> 02:02:53,033
Normal traffic is expected in and out of the parking

2537
02:02:53,166 --> 02:02:55,333
lots on spit Brook road, east, Constable road.

2538
02:02:56,367 --> 02:02:57,834
Well, I think

2539
02:02:59,233 --> 02:03:02,900
the traffic UN spit brick road on a summer weekend.

2540
02:03:03,900 --> 02:03:06,000
Is impossible to get through.

2541
02:03:07,066 --> 02:03:09,333
They park on either side of spit Brook road and

2542
02:03:09,333 --> 02:03:10,300
east instable road.

2543
02:03:11,066 --> 02:03:13,634
And it's like a maze to go through this and

2544
02:03:13,634 --> 02:03:16,000
you have to go really slowly because kids run in

2545
02:03:16,000 --> 02:03:16,367
and out.

2546
02:03:17,767 --> 02:03:19,433
In fact there was an accident.

2547
02:03:20,367 --> 02:03:24,000
Back in November when a child ran out on the

2548
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:25,100
road from Roby park.

2549
02:03:26,100 --> 02:03:28,066
And his father ran after him.

2550
02:03:29,133 --> 02:03:30,567
And both of them were hit by a vehicle.

2551
02:03:31,634 --> 02:03:34,767
The child, fortunately was had only minor injuries.

2552
02:03:35,834 --> 02:03:38,100
But the father had very serious bodily injuries.

2553
02:03:39,066 --> 02:03:39,066
So

2554
02:03:41,133 --> 02:03:43,667
you know, that's just one example of what could happen

2555
02:03:44,133 --> 02:03:45,100
with all of this.

2556
02:03:46,667 --> 02:03:46,667
Traffic.

2557
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:51,266
So let's see.

2558
02:03:57,900 --> 02:04:01,133
So Avery Jenkins, the designer of the golf course stated

2559
02:04:01,266 --> 02:04:03,033
at the June 25th meeting.

2560
02:04:04,033 --> 02:04:06,567
Of the zoning board that this course will be a

2561
02:04:06,567 --> 02:04:08,500
huge draw throughout the Northeast.

2562
02:04:09,333 --> 02:04:12,500
He also stated that he expected a couple hundred rounds

2563
02:04:12,533 --> 02:04:15,033
per month to a couple thousand rounds per month.

2564
02:04:16,033 --> 02:04:17,767
Now, with all that.

2565
02:04:19,033 --> 02:04:20,100
Amount of players coming.

2566
02:04:21,133 --> 02:04:23,567
That's certainly going to increase the traffic.

2567
02:04:24,367 --> 02:04:28,433
Around Romi park and then he's expects two tournaments a

2568
02:04:28,433 --> 02:04:31,266
year, which I think will draw a huge crowd.

2569
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:33,900
Spectators, maybe even vendors.

2570
02:04:35,834 --> 02:04:36,767
Families coming to watch.

2571
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:38,500
The tournament.

2572
02:04:39,834 --> 02:04:42,300
So a round of golf. Now this is just my

2573
02:04:42,300 --> 02:04:44,066
estimation. I don't know how true it is.

2574
02:04:45,133 --> 02:04:46,667
Consists of four players at each hole.

2575
02:04:47,433 --> 02:04:50,767
Regularly. If the course is full, that means four players.

2576
02:04:51,634 --> 02:04:54,100
Times 18 holes could equal 72 players.

2577
02:04:55,066 --> 02:04:57,900
So that could be 72 cars because mostly.

2578
02:04:58,667 --> 02:04:59,900
People don't carpool anymore.

2579
02:05:01,033 --> 02:05:02,166
So with the 20

2580
02:05:03,066 --> 02:05:04,533
six parking spaces up.

2581
02:05:05,433 --> 02:05:06,266
On the upper lot.

2582
02:05:08,066 --> 02:05:10,100
That already would be overcrowded.

2583
02:05:10,867 --> 02:05:11,066
And

2584
02:05:13,133 --> 02:05:14,734
so let's see.

2585
02:05:15,634 --> 02:05:20,100
And then so using his prediction of 200 rounds a

2586
02:05:20,100 --> 02:05:20,300
month.

2587
02:05:21,333 --> 02:05:25,033
If we guesstimate 72 players on the core course multiplied

2588
02:05:25,033 --> 02:05:26,033
by 200 rounds.

2589
02:05:27,066 --> 02:05:31,100
Rounds that could equal a possible 14,400 players at Robie

2590
02:05:31,100 --> 02:05:31,166
park.

2591
02:05:32,166 --> 02:05:36,166
In a month, even if all 18 holes aren't being

2592
02:05:36,166 --> 02:05:39,033
used at one time, they're still will be an unusually

2593
02:05:39,133 --> 02:05:41,166
large increase in traffic around the park.

2594
02:05:42,100 --> 02:05:45,834
A month now, worst case scenario where he says it

2595
02:05:45,834 --> 02:05:48,867
could be a possibility of 2000 rounds per month.

2596
02:05:49,900 --> 02:05:51,033
That would just double

2597
02:05:52,667 --> 02:05:53,166
the 200

2598
02:05:54,300 --> 02:05:56,667
and it would put a giant burden of extra cars

2599
02:05:56,700 --> 02:05:59,734
and traffic on spit Brook road and east instable road.

2600
02:06:01,266 --> 02:06:04,367
All of this extra traffic and increased usage of the

2601
02:06:04,367 --> 02:06:05,734
park with the disc golf players.

2602
02:06:06,467 --> 02:06:09,834
Driving from Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Vermont, Connecticut, and Maine.

2603
02:06:10,667 --> 02:06:13,533
Will certainly greatly change the character of our neighborhood.

2604
02:06:14,467 --> 02:06:16,100
Thank you. Thank you.

2605
02:06:21,867 --> 02:06:22,567
I agree. Hi.

2606
02:06:23,433 --> 02:06:26,100
Sharon Lockwood. I live at 3 98 Eastville road.

2607
02:06:27,333 --> 02:06:29,300
A lot of what I wanted to say we've touched

2608
02:06:29,367 --> 02:06:31,166
on. So I will just share with you some of

2609
02:06:31,166 --> 02:06:32,734
my own personal experience.

2610
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:35,900
As far as parking and safety.

2611
02:06:36,934 --> 02:06:40,133
There were two occasions last winter after snowstorms, when there

2612
02:06:40,133 --> 02:06:42,166
were families at the top of the sliding hill.

2613
02:06:44,100 --> 02:06:47,033
And there were 15 cars because I counted them.

2614
02:06:47,834 --> 02:06:48,900
Underneath the no parking signs.

2615
02:06:50,100 --> 02:06:53,166
Signs. So, and the, the children were walking back and

2616
02:06:53,166 --> 02:06:55,133
forth as if it was a parking lot, not a

2617
02:06:55,133 --> 02:06:55,333
road.

2618
02:06:56,634 --> 02:06:58,000
So that's dangerous.

2619
02:06:59,066 --> 02:07:01,734
If somebody in my neighborhood had needed a firetruck or

2620
02:07:01,734 --> 02:07:03,567
an ambulance, it would not have been able to get

2621
02:07:03,567 --> 02:07:03,867
through.

2622
02:07:04,767 --> 02:07:08,000
So the parking is a huge issue and the park,

2623
02:07:08,033 --> 02:07:09,634
no parking signs are ignored.

2624
02:07:10,467 --> 02:07:13,567
Ignored trash cans. Don't work.

2625
02:07:14,900 --> 02:07:16,333
I walk that road every day.

2626
02:07:17,133 --> 02:07:17,133
And

2627
02:07:19,700 --> 02:07:23,266
the trash goes from the top of the sliding hill.

2628
02:07:24,166 --> 02:07:25,834
Across the street from that. And then all the way

2629
02:07:25,834 --> 02:07:27,533
down to the houses on the mass border.

2630
02:07:29,100 --> 02:07:30,433
I called the city about that.

2631
02:07:31,266 --> 02:07:33,433
As well as a, a no parking or not a

2632
02:07:33,433 --> 02:07:33,900
no parking.

2633
02:07:38,033 --> 02:07:39,667
A sign that's supposed to.

2634
02:07:40,767 --> 02:07:42,634
Keep people going at a reasonable rate.

2635
02:07:43,433 --> 02:07:45,000
And it's leaning into the woods and you can't see

2636
02:07:45,000 --> 02:07:46,433
it. And it's.

2637
02:07:47,233 --> 02:07:47,734
It's still all there.

2638
02:07:50,467 --> 02:07:52,367
The other thing I wanted to mention is.

2639
02:07:53,333 --> 02:07:56,033
The union leader had a front page.

2640
02:07:56,934 --> 02:07:57,000
Story.

2641
02:07:59,433 --> 02:08:01,900
October 31st.

2642
02:08:03,467 --> 02:08:03,734
And

2643
02:08:06,634 --> 02:08:08,066
it stated that

2644
02:08:09,700 --> 02:08:10,667
the national alderman.

2645
02:08:12,133 --> 02:08:16,000
Okayed up to 45 million in bonds to do.

2646
02:08:18,000 --> 02:08:20,100
Structure infrastructure.

2647
02:08:20,934 --> 02:08:24,000
Projects and these were considered essential.

2648
02:08:25,100 --> 02:08:28,000
So if we're borrowing money to do things that are

2649
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:28,500
essential.

2650
02:08:29,533 --> 02:08:31,867
Why are we talking about something that's not essential?

2651
02:08:32,767 --> 02:08:35,000
Should this not go on a ballot for all of

2652
02:08:35,000 --> 02:08:35,734
Nashua to vote.

2653
02:08:37,500 --> 02:08:38,066
Thank you.

2654
02:08:38,867 --> 02:08:39,100
Thank you.

2655
02:08:43,700 --> 02:08:44,266
Hi, good evening.

2656
02:08:46,300 --> 02:08:46,900
Good evening.

2657
02:08:47,834 --> 02:08:49,367
My name is Chris. Tina McKinley.

2658
02:08:50,300 --> 02:08:51,367
Six Southgate drive.

2659
02:08:52,567 --> 02:08:52,767
And

2660
02:08:54,867 --> 02:08:55,900
I'm going to call attention to.

2661
02:08:57,634 --> 02:08:58,767
An article that was

2662
02:08:59,634 --> 02:09:01,000
this year, January 22nd.

2663
02:09:02,033 --> 02:09:04,033
And the title was safety.

2664
02:09:05,133 --> 02:09:08,500
Concerns prompt Nashua officials to separate hockey players.

2665
02:09:09,533 --> 02:09:11,000
From recreational skaters.

2666
02:09:12,033 --> 02:09:14,567
Hockey players are now banned from.

2667
02:09:15,634 --> 02:09:18,667
Robie park. Exactly. Four reasons that have already been noted.

2668
02:09:19,433 --> 02:09:21,266
Because multi-use

2669
02:09:22,867 --> 02:09:23,266
of that.

2670
02:09:24,567 --> 02:09:26,133
Space has not worked out well.

2671
02:09:27,066 --> 02:09:28,433
And has resulted in injuries.

2672
02:09:29,333 --> 02:09:30,867
Both to a child and an adult.

2673
02:09:33,467 --> 02:09:36,000
That is something that over the last three and a

2674
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:38,100
half years attending many of these meetings.

2675
02:09:39,066 --> 02:09:41,333
Meetings. I've done a lot of research and starting on

2676
02:09:41,367 --> 02:09:44,900
west coast and heading our direction. There are many parks

2677
02:09:45,000 --> 02:09:48,900
that have discovered that trying to use multi-use.

2678
02:09:51,000 --> 02:09:54,767
Ideas has resulted in not only injuries, but lawsuits.

2679
02:09:56,033 --> 02:09:58,266
Lawsuits my first connection to.

2680
02:09:59,066 --> 02:09:59,734
The whole issue.

2681
02:10:01,333 --> 02:10:05,066
Was actually before disc golf was ever even discussed.

2682
02:10:05,900 --> 02:10:07,033
And our neighborhood was looking.

2683
02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:09,667
For help from the city.

2684
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:14,166
Regarding trash and traffic.

2685
02:10:15,066 --> 02:10:18,500
And parking, which was already mentioned during sledding season.

2686
02:10:19,233 --> 02:10:22,100
And the safety hazard that, that has created for our

2687
02:10:22,100 --> 02:10:23,000
neighborhood for.

2688
02:10:24,367 --> 02:10:26,667
Ambulance and whatever, and this is.

2689
02:10:28,166 --> 02:10:31,000
A petition that was signed by everyone in our neighborhood.

2690
02:10:31,834 --> 02:10:33,533
And this was dated November.

2691
02:10:34,300 --> 02:10:35,000
21.

2692
02:10:38,300 --> 02:10:41,166
All due respect to the comments that were made before

2693
02:10:41,333 --> 02:10:43,433
that this is city prop property.

2694
02:10:44,433 --> 02:10:46,166
And so therefore they can correct.

2695
02:10:47,066 --> 02:10:50,066
Mistakes. This was November 21.

2696
02:10:51,066 --> 02:10:52,100
Trash is no different.

2697
02:10:53,133 --> 02:10:54,900
Parking you have heard already.

2698
02:10:55,834 --> 02:10:59,266
Is still happening right underneath the signs that are alderman.

2699
02:10:59,667 --> 02:11:03,033
So nicely managed to finally put no parking signs on.

2700
02:11:04,467 --> 02:11:05,767
Hasn't changed anything.

2701
02:11:06,700 --> 02:11:08,734
And if I look to.

2702
02:11:09,533 --> 02:11:11,667
Most things in my life. I look at, you know,

2703
02:11:12,033 --> 02:11:13,900
watch what someone does, not what someone.

2704
02:11:14,667 --> 02:11:18,100
Says, and what I have seen from the department of

2705
02:11:18,100 --> 02:11:18,634
public works.

2706
02:11:19,433 --> 02:11:21,500
Unfortunately, it's the same.

2707
02:11:22,300 --> 02:11:24,266
Same experience.

2708
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:27,367
Since I moved here 20.

2709
02:11:28,367 --> 02:11:29,767
Nine 30 years ago.

2710
02:11:31,133 --> 02:11:34,100
Our neighborhood does our own pickup of trash as a

2711
02:11:34,100 --> 02:11:34,767
consequence.

2712
02:11:35,900 --> 02:11:39,000
We go out with our chainsaws to cut down dead

2713
02:11:39,066 --> 02:11:40,667
limbs, that land in the road.

2714
02:11:42,233 --> 02:11:45,500
There is nothing that's done, even from the ease of

2715
02:11:45,567 --> 02:11:46,500
a bucket truck.

2716
02:11:47,300 --> 02:11:50,066
Where you could take care of the, the trees that

2717
02:11:50,066 --> 02:11:53,100
need trimming that you could get rid of vines.

2718
02:11:54,100 --> 02:11:56,033
So when I'm listening to, we're going to manage.

2719
02:11:56,934 --> 02:12:01,066
Invasive species that's not done even on the road side.

2720
02:12:01,233 --> 02:12:03,000
So I don't see how that's going to happen.

2721
02:12:04,033 --> 02:12:04,500
Throughout the park.

2722
02:12:09,700 --> 02:12:12,100
This, this decision to get rid of.

2723
02:12:14,867 --> 02:12:15,133
Hockey.

2724
02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:17,567
On the same rink as skaters.

2725
02:12:18,667 --> 02:12:21,000
And the problem was following rules.

2726
02:12:22,033 --> 02:12:24,734
And yet we're listening to people talk about how all

2727
02:12:24,734 --> 02:12:27,000
the rules will be followed.

2728
02:12:28,033 --> 02:12:29,433
By dis golfers.

2729
02:12:31,500 --> 02:12:32,734
Why would we think that.

2730
02:12:34,033 --> 02:12:36,300
There are rules about trash for sweaters.

2731
02:12:37,533 --> 02:12:39,433
Letters there was a $250.

2732
02:12:41,567 --> 02:12:41,900
Fine.

2733
02:12:42,667 --> 02:12:45,033
Sign. It didn't make any difference.

2734
02:12:46,033 --> 02:12:47,266
The trash is everywhere.

2735
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:50,634
So, I don't know why we're thinking that dis golfers

2736
02:12:50,667 --> 02:12:53,567
are some amazing people that don't do any of this.

2737
02:12:57,834 --> 02:12:59,133
It's been called to our attention.

2738
02:13:00,166 --> 02:13:01,734
That there are already.

2739
02:13:02,467 --> 02:13:03,567
70 disc golf courses.

2740
02:13:04,767 --> 02:13:09,066
In New Hampshire, 33 of which apparently have 18 holes.

2741
02:13:10,900 --> 02:13:12,066
How many strictly

2742
02:13:13,133 --> 02:13:15,033
walking trails are there.

2743
02:13:16,467 --> 02:13:17,367
Not for bikers.

2744
02:13:18,467 --> 02:13:19,533
Not for disc golfers.

2745
02:13:20,767 --> 02:13:26,033
Where do people go in New Hampshire and specifically in Nashua?

2746
02:13:26,867 --> 02:13:28,000
Where they're not going to be.

2747
02:13:29,300 --> 02:13:33,100
Amongst anyone who's competing. They're not going to be flown

2748
02:13:33,166 --> 02:13:35,533
by a biker where they can be.

2749
02:13:36,367 --> 02:13:39,133
Contemplative. I don't think there are many places.

2750
02:13:40,433 --> 02:13:43,900
What percentage of the population in Nashua?

2751
02:13:44,767 --> 02:13:46,100
Participate in team sports.

2752
02:13:47,700 --> 02:13:49,634
It's a question. I think we ought to be asking.

2753
02:13:51,100 --> 02:13:52,033
And why must

2754
02:13:52,767 --> 02:13:54,033
productive use of land.

2755
02:13:55,066 --> 02:13:56,433
Focus on competition.

2756
02:13:57,767 --> 02:13:59,033
I don't know why that is.

2757
02:13:59,834 --> 02:14:01,133
But I think it's worth asking the question.

2758
02:14:02,667 --> 02:14:05,000
There's been a great deal written about health benefits.

2759
02:14:06,100 --> 02:14:07,734
Benefits, particularly during the COVID years.

2760
02:14:08,767 --> 02:14:10,066
Of why people need

2761
02:14:11,133 --> 02:14:12,567
space away from screens.

2762
02:14:13,533 --> 02:14:14,767
Screens quiet space.

2763
02:14:15,834 --> 02:14:18,066
Contemplate space, creative space.

2764
02:14:19,367 --> 02:14:21,066
This is that kind of space.

2765
02:14:21,900 --> 02:14:23,033
And we're about to take it away.

2766
02:14:26,300 --> 02:14:28,834
There's been a lot said about the parking.

2767
02:14:30,033 --> 02:14:31,567
And how much the

2768
02:14:33,100 --> 02:14:37,033
designer this Avery Jenkins. Who's a championship disc golfer.

2769
02:14:38,100 --> 02:14:40,066
His focus is on creating tourism.

2770
02:14:41,133 --> 02:14:43,100
I believe mayor Donius focused is on.

2771
02:14:44,166 --> 02:14:46,433
Expanding making this a destination.

2772
02:14:47,433 --> 02:14:48,100
Space for tourism.

2773
02:14:49,834 --> 02:14:53,000
I don't believe that the rotary club, when they originally.

2774
02:14:53,900 --> 02:14:55,667
Donated $30,000.

2775
02:14:56,767 --> 02:14:59,000
That they anticipated all of this.

2776
02:15:00,100 --> 02:15:02,433
They, I think genuinely thought this was going to be

2777
02:15:02,433 --> 02:15:03,000
for families.

2778
02:15:04,367 --> 02:15:05,033
How many

2779
02:15:06,300 --> 02:15:10,367
families get to do pickup games at the baseball field.

2780
02:15:11,000 --> 02:15:13,033
If you don't belong to a team, you don't get

2781
02:15:13,033 --> 02:15:13,333
to play.

2782
02:15:15,066 --> 02:15:16,300
I think that the focus.

2783
02:15:17,133 --> 02:15:22,033
On tournaments and international competition and making this a destination

2784
02:15:22,433 --> 02:15:22,667
location.

2785
02:15:23,634 --> 02:15:26,033
Speaks for itself. This is not going to end up

2786
02:15:26,033 --> 02:15:26,634
for families.

2787
02:15:34,934 --> 02:15:39,133
The national disc golf association in their own documentation.

2788
02:15:40,166 --> 02:15:44,066
State that there needs to be a 300 to 450

2789
02:15:44,133 --> 02:15:44,300
foot.

2790
02:15:48,533 --> 02:15:50,133
Guideline away from

2791
02:15:51,266 --> 02:15:52,000
other borders.

2792
02:15:53,333 --> 02:15:56,066
Borders at least eight holes on this course do not

2793
02:15:56,133 --> 02:16:00,100
meet that. Meet the disc golf Association's own directives.

2794
02:16:01,133 --> 02:16:03,300
Directives. And when they talk about, you know,

2795
02:16:04,166 --> 02:16:07,367
get the, the kind of coexisting with walkers.

2796
02:16:08,767 --> 02:16:11,533
Walkers, what person wants to be walking by?

2797
02:16:12,567 --> 02:16:14,367
When these discs can

2798
02:16:15,433 --> 02:16:18,433
be thrown 175 to 250.

2799
02:16:19,233 --> 02:16:21,000
Feet by a novice.

2800
02:16:21,900 --> 02:16:24,767
250 to 350 feet.

2801
02:16:25,700 --> 02:16:26,667
By someone intermediate.

2802
02:16:28,033 --> 02:16:31,367
And a tournament player, 300 to 450 feet.

2803
02:16:32,367 --> 02:16:35,000
And that can be 50 to 70 miles an hour.

2804
02:16:36,266 --> 02:16:38,734
Is that really going to work with walkers?

2805
02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:43,333
Walkers. And are they these, these sort of remarkable dis

2806
02:16:43,333 --> 02:16:45,100
players who are gonna follow all the rules?

2807
02:16:46,100 --> 02:16:48,066
And it's in a forest, so they're gonna have to

2808
02:16:48,100 --> 02:16:49,100
see around trees.

2809
02:16:50,233 --> 02:16:54,066
Do you really think that this isn't an accident waiting

2810
02:16:54,066 --> 02:16:54,634
to happen?

2811
02:16:55,767 --> 02:16:56,834
I personally think it is.

2812
02:16:58,834 --> 02:17:01,634
I think there's a reason also why every time we

2813
02:17:01,667 --> 02:17:02,033
come.

2814
02:17:02,867 --> 02:17:03,634
The the, the

2815
02:17:05,133 --> 02:17:06,066
the plans look different.

2816
02:17:07,233 --> 02:17:08,367
And this amendment.

2817
02:17:09,533 --> 02:17:11,634
I find it interesting that a waiver.

2818
02:17:12,367 --> 02:17:13,033
Has been requested.

2819
02:17:14,667 --> 02:17:17,734
Against having to post a bond or an escrow agreement.

2820
02:17:18,467 --> 02:17:22,033
I suspect that's because they've already spent taxpayer dollars.

2821
02:17:23,066 --> 02:17:24,000
They've already spent.

2822
02:17:25,133 --> 02:17:27,767
And if they had used all of what the rotary

2823
02:17:27,834 --> 02:17:28,000
club.

2824
02:17:29,033 --> 02:17:31,900
Had provided that was supposed to cover the whole thing.

2825
02:17:32,934 --> 02:17:35,066
We would already be in the hole. And I think

2826
02:17:35,133 --> 02:17:37,100
the city doesn't want us to know how much is

2827
02:17:37,100 --> 02:17:38,367
this really going to cost?

2828
02:17:39,233 --> 02:17:41,734
And how much will maintenance over time cost.

2829
02:17:42,767 --> 02:17:47,000
And, and they're talking about, you know, hand clipping, how

2830
02:17:47,000 --> 02:17:49,033
many people are you going to need to be going

2831
02:17:49,033 --> 02:17:51,133
in to hand clip all through this?

2832
02:17:52,767 --> 02:17:55,367
Course the conservation committee.

2833
02:17:57,567 --> 02:18:00,166
Required. And I had an opportunity to listen to a,

2834
02:18:00,567 --> 02:18:03,900
a, an opportunity to listen to them. Talk with private.

2835
02:18:04,934 --> 02:18:08,100
Owners who wanted to cut? I think it was a

2836
02:18:08,100 --> 02:18:09,033
total, there were three owners.

2837
02:18:10,100 --> 02:18:11,100
A total of seven trees.

2838
02:18:12,934 --> 02:18:16,100
Is, and they were required to keep them 14 feet

2839
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:16,333
tall.

2840
02:18:17,667 --> 02:18:18,834
Jagged at the top.

2841
02:18:20,100 --> 02:18:22,567
In addition had to be taken care of by an

2842
02:18:22,567 --> 02:18:23,033
arborist.

2843
02:18:24,133 --> 02:18:25,066
They had to

2844
02:18:27,066 --> 02:18:30,734
for the right to do that, manage invasive species. My

2845
02:18:31,033 --> 02:18:33,133
question is why is city land?

2846
02:18:34,266 --> 02:18:36,133
Not subject to those same.

2847
02:18:37,133 --> 02:18:41,266
Requirements. And finally, I'd like to say that the statistics

2848
02:18:41,700 --> 02:18:42,000
re.

2849
02:18:43,233 --> 02:18:44,567
Regarding support or dissent.

2850
02:18:45,667 --> 02:18:47,667
I looked after the June meeting.

2851
02:18:48,767 --> 02:18:51,133
At all of the letters that came in, as well

2852
02:18:51,233 --> 02:18:54,333
as the notes regarding speakers.

2853
02:18:55,433 --> 02:18:56,634
Speakers one half.

2854
02:18:57,700 --> 02:19:00,533
Of all speakers were not from Nashua.

2855
02:19:02,033 --> 02:19:02,767
Two thirds.

2856
02:19:03,834 --> 02:19:05,100
Thirds of the letters that came in.

2857
02:19:06,100 --> 02:19:07,066
Were not from Nashua.

2858
02:19:08,500 --> 02:19:11,033
In contrast all, but one.

2859
02:19:11,834 --> 02:19:14,100
Of the speakers who opposed.

2860
02:19:15,066 --> 02:19:17,533
The disc golf course were from Nashua.

2861
02:19:19,033 --> 02:19:21,367
I think that's an interesting thing to pay attention to.

2862
02:19:22,433 --> 02:19:24,266
Thank you. Thank you.

2863
02:19:28,266 --> 02:19:30,500
Is there anyone else that would like to speak in

2864
02:19:30,500 --> 02:19:32,100
opposition concern this evening?

2865
02:19:37,166 --> 02:19:40,166
Thank you. Is there anyone in the audience that would

2866
02:19:40,166 --> 02:19:42,100
like to speak in favor of this application?

2867
02:19:48,700 --> 02:19:51,166
Just just

2868
02:19:52,000 --> 02:19:54,567
just actually, you know what, I, I apologize in advance.

2869
02:19:54,834 --> 02:19:57,433
Could we actually just take a quick break with the

2870
02:19:57,433 --> 02:19:59,533
board? I'd like to call a quick recess if I

2871
02:19:59,533 --> 02:20:00,333
can. So.

2872
02:20:01,667 --> 02:20:04,667
We're going we're in recess at nine 20. Is that

2873
02:20:04,667 --> 02:20:04,867
your.

2874
02:20:08,033 --> 02:20:09,166
Five about five, five.

2875
02:25:21,300 --> 02:25:24,500
Folks folks, folks that need we're back in we're back

2876
02:25:24,500 --> 02:25:25,066
in session.

2877
02:25:25,900 --> 02:25:28,266
So I'd like to ask a order, please.

2878
02:25:30,433 --> 02:25:32,433
Apologies for the interruption, but.

2879
02:25:34,133 --> 02:25:36,100
This is the line of folks that's wishing to speak

2880
02:25:36,100 --> 02:25:37,100
in favor of the project.

2881
02:25:39,100 --> 02:25:41,634
I, I would make the same request that I made

2882
02:25:41,634 --> 02:25:44,734
of the others. Just you try to keep your comments

2883
02:25:44,734 --> 02:25:48,066
concise and not repeat. What's already been stated, but.

2884
02:25:49,133 --> 02:25:51,133
Other than that, just please introduce yourself for the record.

2885
02:25:52,000 --> 02:25:55,433
Hi, Karen bill 95 Parnell place here in Nashua. I

2886
02:25:55,433 --> 02:25:56,300
am a Nashua native.

2887
02:25:57,133 --> 02:25:58,734
And the nice thing about.

2888
02:25:59,834 --> 02:26:00,900
The parks in Nashua.

2889
02:26:02,100 --> 02:26:05,033
Is that they are available for all residents. And I've

2890
02:26:05,100 --> 02:26:09,066
always strongly felt that Robie park was never an option

2891
02:26:09,233 --> 02:26:09,867
for me.

2892
02:26:10,667 --> 02:26:13,867
As a resident, because I didn't have a small children

2893
02:26:14,233 --> 02:26:17,000
who, you know, sled or played ball or any of

2894
02:26:17,000 --> 02:26:17,433
that stuff.

2895
02:26:18,300 --> 02:26:20,066
And I would think that the people who actually spoken

2896
02:26:20,133 --> 02:26:21,333
in opposition earlier.

2897
02:26:22,100 --> 02:26:23,900
Would be thrilled with a disc golf.

2898
02:26:24,934 --> 02:26:26,333
Situation coming because

2899
02:26:27,233 --> 02:26:29,266
what so many of them have spoken about is the

2900
02:26:29,500 --> 02:26:32,166
horrible traffic, the horrible trash, the horrible, you know,

2901
02:26:33,133 --> 02:26:35,567
so many horrible things, all that's going on now.

2902
02:26:36,567 --> 02:26:39,066
When I first walked the park to see it.

2903
02:26:40,066 --> 02:26:42,166
I could not believe that there was.

2904
02:26:43,233 --> 02:26:46,000
Boards in what was wetland area?

2905
02:26:46,867 --> 02:26:48,333
That had been there and there was trash.

2906
02:26:49,333 --> 02:26:52,767
And I was kind of appalled and I would probably

2907
02:26:52,767 --> 02:26:55,266
get lost just walking in there because it's a very

2908
02:26:55,300 --> 02:26:56,100
large area.

2909
02:26:57,100 --> 02:27:00,166
So then I started playing disc golf.

2910
02:27:01,500 --> 02:27:03,867
And I was, I was blown away.

2911
02:27:04,767 --> 02:27:05,500
By the people that played.

2912
02:27:07,066 --> 02:27:07,033
That they

2913
02:27:09,133 --> 02:27:10,033
we're so.

2914
02:27:11,433 --> 02:27:13,533
Caring of the environment. You don't move a rock. You

2915
02:27:13,533 --> 02:27:16,367
don't move a stick to throw the disc. There was

2916
02:27:16,667 --> 02:27:16,900
no.

2917
02:27:17,900 --> 02:27:21,266
Wild disks flying all over the place. They're not hitting

2918
02:27:21,467 --> 02:27:22,667
anybody in the head.

2919
02:27:24,000 --> 02:27:25,100
They're not going.

2920
02:27:25,900 --> 02:27:29,133
500 feet. Oh God. If I could only throw my

2921
02:27:29,133 --> 02:27:31,767
desk 500 feet, I'd be winning, winning things.

2922
02:27:32,934 --> 02:27:37,166
There's a disproportionate amount of attention being paid to this

2923
02:27:37,166 --> 02:27:37,667
versus.

2924
02:27:38,667 --> 02:27:41,634
Other Nashua parks, the hours will be the same. If

2925
02:27:41,634 --> 02:27:44,066
there was a typo, there was a typo. It's not

2926
02:27:44,100 --> 02:27:45,300
six in the morning. It's seven.

2927
02:27:48,100 --> 02:27:48,133
And

2928
02:27:49,133 --> 02:27:51,533
things like our wetland specialist, Brendan, who is.

2929
02:27:52,367 --> 02:27:54,033
So revered in this state.

2930
02:27:55,066 --> 02:27:57,066
For people to think that he has not done.

2931
02:27:57,900 --> 02:27:59,500
Beyond his homework is crazy.

2932
02:28:00,367 --> 02:28:04,433
Everything people have been, Bendo bending over backwards and we've

2933
02:28:04,433 --> 02:28:04,667
gone.

2934
02:28:05,533 --> 02:28:07,767
Well above wetland's concerns. Okay.

2935
02:28:08,767 --> 02:28:10,634
I wanna stay local. I don't wanna have to drive

2936
02:28:10,634 --> 02:28:13,667
30 to 45 minutes to go play disc golf. I'm

2937
02:28:13,667 --> 02:28:14,033
a new player.

2938
02:28:15,066 --> 02:28:16,533
I wanna be the expert on this.

2939
02:28:17,333 --> 02:28:19,033
Course, let me tell you. It's only a couple miles

2940
02:28:19,033 --> 02:28:20,000
from my house.

2941
02:28:20,934 --> 02:28:25,033
And I am. I just can't even wait because it's

2942
02:28:25,033 --> 02:28:27,900
gonna be such an improvement. There's not gonna be any

2943
02:28:27,900 --> 02:28:31,367
dripping epoxy. It's kind of like sometimes I hear some

2944
02:28:31,367 --> 02:28:34,433
of these things and I think, is it me? Is

2945
02:28:34,433 --> 02:28:38,000
it just, is it, am I being delusional or, or,

2946
02:28:38,000 --> 02:28:38,867
you know, come on.

2947
02:28:39,700 --> 02:28:41,133
If, if every

2948
02:28:42,100 --> 02:28:43,533
unsafe place in this city.

2949
02:28:44,567 --> 02:28:46,734
Which is not gonna be a disc golf course.

2950
02:28:47,834 --> 02:28:49,667
Were closed down. Well, we might as well start with

2951
02:28:49,667 --> 02:28:52,333
the H the highway, since there's so many accidents.

2952
02:28:53,533 --> 02:28:57,433
Accidents. Thank you. I appreciate your time and listening and.

2953
02:28:58,300 --> 02:29:00,500
Let's get it going so we can improve Robie park.

2954
02:29:00,533 --> 02:29:01,066
Thank you.

2955
02:29:03,867 --> 02:29:04,567
Step right up.

2956
02:29:05,467 --> 02:29:09,066
Good evening. Good evening, Dr. Richard smart, 1 59 Surles road,

2957
02:29:09,767 --> 02:29:10,834
lifelong Nashua resident.

2958
02:29:11,834 --> 02:29:14,300
Resident. I am the, the holder of the petition with

2959
02:29:14,500 --> 02:29:18,300
the 600 signatures. We originally presented a hundred signatures to

2960
02:29:18,300 --> 02:29:18,667
the mayor.

2961
02:29:19,433 --> 02:29:20,667
To get this project rolling.

2962
02:29:21,867 --> 02:29:25,066
There's a lot of misinformation that's been presented tonight. There's

2963
02:29:25,066 --> 02:29:28,867
a lot of outright lies that have been presented here

2964
02:29:28,867 --> 02:29:29,066
tonight.

2965
02:29:30,100 --> 02:29:32,033
Including one by an elected city official.

2966
02:29:33,133 --> 02:29:35,066
I, I wish my alderman had stuck around to hear

2967
02:29:35,000 --> 02:29:37,500
my comments. He does not represent just.

2968
02:29:38,300 --> 02:29:41,066
The four or five folks that live on Southgate and

2969
02:29:41,066 --> 02:29:41,500
in that general,

2970
02:29:42,467 --> 02:29:44,567
he represents the entirety of ward nine.

2971
02:29:45,333 --> 02:29:47,033
Okay on that petition.

2972
02:29:48,033 --> 02:29:50,634
Accounted before I came here tonight, 118.

2973
02:29:51,433 --> 02:29:54,767
Of the 625 signatures are from ward nine.

2974
02:29:55,734 --> 02:29:58,000
Who are you serving? Who are you listening to?

2975
02:29:59,066 --> 02:30:00,500
There's got to be open.

2976
02:30:01,333 --> 02:30:02,634
Honest discourse.

2977
02:30:03,634 --> 02:30:04,867
When this happens.

2978
02:30:05,900 --> 02:30:07,367
A couple other points I want to make and I,

2979
02:30:07,367 --> 02:30:08,367
I will keep this brief.

2980
02:30:09,500 --> 02:30:11,734
Why do we want 18 holes in nine holes?

2981
02:30:12,567 --> 02:30:14,066
Because that's what the application's for.

2982
02:30:14,867 --> 02:30:17,500
All right. We didn't come here tonight to compromise. We

2983
02:30:17,500 --> 02:30:18,100
came here tonight.

2984
02:30:19,066 --> 02:30:20,634
To receive

2985
02:30:21,533 --> 02:30:23,100
permission to move forward with this project.

2986
02:30:24,100 --> 02:30:26,767
This is not new. This didn't come out of nowhere.

2987
02:30:28,000 --> 02:30:30,767
It hasn't been done under the, the guise of night.

2988
02:30:31,367 --> 02:30:35,066
There have been almost 20 public meetings at this point.

2989
02:30:36,100 --> 02:30:37,166
It's a constant

2990
02:30:38,100 --> 02:30:39,834
attack of city officials.

2991
02:30:40,767 --> 02:30:43,000
Talking about D P w like they're not in the

2992
02:30:43,000 --> 02:30:43,166
room.

2993
02:30:44,166 --> 02:30:47,033
These folks work for the city. They work hard. They

2994
02:30:47,033 --> 02:30:48,166
make sure that we're all safe.

2995
02:30:50,033 --> 02:30:51,000
In regards to safety.

2996
02:30:52,033 --> 02:30:53,333
People are trying to scare you tonight.

2997
02:30:54,100 --> 02:30:56,000
And tell you that people are going to be injured

2998
02:30:56,033 --> 02:30:56,567
or maimed.

2999
02:30:57,700 --> 02:30:58,900
There has been one.

3000
02:31:00,100 --> 02:31:02,066
One incident in the state of New Hampshire.

3001
02:31:03,066 --> 02:31:05,000
Since I have become very active.

3002
02:31:06,100 --> 02:31:08,066
In so 2015 to now in the last 10 years,

3003
02:31:08,233 --> 02:31:10,100
there's been one incident.

3004
02:31:10,867 --> 02:31:14,567
That has required someone to be, to receive medical care.

3005
02:31:15,634 --> 02:31:17,767
One, the other stories they're talking about.

3006
02:31:18,867 --> 02:31:19,634
Are these gigantic

3007
02:31:21,133 --> 02:31:25,000
gigantic mixed use parks. Think about Greeley park on steroids

3008
02:31:25,166 --> 02:31:26,567
in the middle of California.

3009
02:31:27,433 --> 02:31:30,100
All right. This is a mixed use park. They have

3010
02:31:30,166 --> 02:31:32,667
realized that this isn't the best design. It isn't the

3011
02:31:32,667 --> 02:31:34,667
best way to do it. Most of those parks have

3012
02:31:34,667 --> 02:31:35,433
been redesigned.

3013
02:31:36,367 --> 02:31:37,834
By experts. All right.

3014
02:31:38,667 --> 02:31:40,734
The comments that have been made about Avery Jenkins and

3015
02:31:40,734 --> 02:31:42,300
Simon. Zat not being.

3016
02:31:43,066 --> 02:31:45,000
Up to the task at hand.

3017
02:31:46,100 --> 02:31:48,834
Would be like saying that Jack Nicholas is not up

3018
02:31:48,834 --> 02:31:51,500
to the task at hand for designing a golf course.

3019
02:31:52,500 --> 02:31:54,767
Folks don't know who these people are.

3020
02:31:55,634 --> 02:31:57,433
Avery Jenkins just led team USA.

3021
02:31:58,467 --> 02:32:00,133
To another president's cuff.

3022
02:32:01,100 --> 02:32:04,000
That just happened. This is not something.

3023
02:32:04,934 --> 02:32:07,266
That is small. This is something that is.

3024
02:32:08,000 --> 02:32:11,567
A global sport. It is the second fastest growing sport

3025
02:32:11,567 --> 02:32:12,000
right now.

3026
02:32:12,934 --> 02:32:14,066
Teetering back and forth with pickleball.

3027
02:32:15,066 --> 02:32:17,033
All right. Pickleball was put in Nashua.

3028
02:32:18,100 --> 02:32:21,333
Very quickly. It, it was taken care of.

3029
02:32:22,100 --> 02:32:23,100
It's far more expensive.

3030
02:32:24,367 --> 02:32:26,100
The last thing I want to talk about is the

3031
02:32:26,000 --> 02:32:27,166
expenses part of it.

3032
02:32:28,166 --> 02:32:30,266
The money that was originally.

3033
02:32:31,734 --> 02:32:33,100
Slated for this project.

3034
02:32:34,100 --> 02:32:35,567
Has unfortunately been spent on other things.

3035
02:32:36,567 --> 02:32:38,100
Other things that would not have been done.

3036
02:32:39,066 --> 02:32:43,033
Without the misinformation and lies that the opposition continues to

3037
02:32:43,033 --> 02:32:43,333
tell.

3038
02:32:44,166 --> 02:32:46,033
Thank you for your time. Thank you.

3039
02:32:47,867 --> 02:32:50,834
Hi, good evening. Good evening. Chair members of the board.

3040
02:32:51,634 --> 02:32:52,867
Steve Adii six Pell avenue.

3041
02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:55,533
I would like to speak, of course.

3042
02:32:56,367 --> 02:32:59,066
In favor of the course being proposed at Robi park.

3043
02:33:00,100 --> 02:33:01,867
And I would like to address some of the concerns

3044
02:33:01,867 --> 02:33:03,066
that were approached.

3045
02:33:03,834 --> 02:33:07,033
By the opposition tonight, an example. And during the wetlands

3046
02:33:07,100 --> 02:33:09,667
to retrieve a disc, I understand that's a big concern

3047
02:33:09,734 --> 02:33:11,533
and we wanna protect the wetlands as best as we

3048
02:33:11,533 --> 02:33:11,734
can.

3049
02:33:12,934 --> 02:33:15,066
Most disc golfers who are aware.

3050
02:33:16,033 --> 02:33:18,667
Will have a retriever on them at all times, or.

3051
02:33:19,433 --> 02:33:22,066
If they're advised by signage to not enter the wetlands.

3052
02:33:23,066 --> 02:33:24,900
We could discuss in the future, possibly having D P

3053
02:33:25,033 --> 02:33:25,000
w.

3054
02:33:25,900 --> 02:33:28,166
Go through as part of their assignment in.

3055
02:33:29,133 --> 02:33:32,166
Inspecting the course pick out disks in an approved manner

3056
02:33:32,634 --> 02:33:34,100
from there to minimize impact.

3057
02:33:35,066 --> 02:33:38,066
I would also like to talk about signage. A lot

3058
02:33:38,066 --> 02:33:40,900
of people brought up concerns about obstructed views.

3059
02:33:41,900 --> 02:33:43,066
Views and similar safety concerns.

3060
02:33:44,000 --> 02:33:45,367
Concerns. If it is such a concern.

3061
02:33:46,300 --> 02:33:48,100
Which most signs on the course.

3062
02:33:48,934 --> 02:33:52,367
Will address out of bounds markings, including not limited to

3063
02:33:52,367 --> 02:33:53,066
wetlands.

3064
02:33:54,100 --> 02:33:56,767
Wetlands and various other impediments on the course, they can

3065
02:33:56,767 --> 02:33:57,166
also be.

3066
02:33:58,100 --> 02:33:59,266
Built up to address.

3067
02:34:00,367 --> 02:34:01,100
Potential blind spots.

3068
02:34:03,300 --> 02:34:05,500
Regarding the use of other trail systems and studies.

3069
02:34:06,467 --> 02:34:09,166
There was one gentleman who brought up a case that

3070
02:34:09,367 --> 02:34:11,033
this was the only place that was looked at. That

3071
02:34:11,033 --> 02:34:12,000
is not the case.

3072
02:34:13,000 --> 02:34:15,000
I know that at minimum.

3073
02:34:15,834 --> 02:34:17,333
Mind falls, UDI farm.

3074
02:34:18,300 --> 02:34:21,033
And Greeley park were looked at as possible sites for

3075
02:34:21,033 --> 02:34:21,266
this.

3076
02:34:22,100 --> 02:34:24,100
It was determined that this would be the best suited

3077
02:34:24,100 --> 02:34:27,000
site for a course of the nature to be installed.

3078
02:34:29,367 --> 02:34:31,567
I'll go ahead and conclude here by saying that as

3079
02:34:31,567 --> 02:34:33,767
ambassadors for the sport, us disc golfers.

3080
02:34:34,700 --> 02:34:37,500
Try to get everybody who is there to treat the

3081
02:34:37,500 --> 02:34:37,734
course.

3082
02:34:38,467 --> 02:34:41,433
The nature around it and other users, including those who

3083
02:34:41,433 --> 02:34:43,333
are not playing the sport with respect.

3084
02:34:44,166 --> 02:34:45,867
And this is one of the things that I have

3085
02:34:45,867 --> 02:34:47,533
taken away from it in my eight years playing.

3086
02:34:48,367 --> 02:34:50,367
Is, it's a great way to embrace the trail systems.

3087
02:34:51,634 --> 02:34:54,000
And nature in the city, much like as a youth,

3088
02:34:54,066 --> 02:34:57,100
I would play baseball at lions park or sun or

3089
02:34:57,333 --> 02:34:58,066
sunset Heights.

3090
02:34:59,233 --> 02:35:02,033
Heights or as a teenager and young adult, I would

3091
02:35:02,100 --> 02:35:04,100
mountain bike. The trails of mine falls and the Dickey

3092
02:35:04,100 --> 02:35:04,166
farm.

3093
02:35:05,133 --> 02:35:07,834
With respect to other patrons at the park. I thank

3094
02:35:07,834 --> 02:35:08,333
you for your time.

3095
02:35:09,133 --> 02:35:12,066
And I would, again, like to support this and hope

3096
02:35:12,066 --> 02:35:14,033
that it moves forward. Expeditiously. Thank you.

3097
02:35:15,066 --> 02:35:15,066
Thank you.

3098
02:35:18,300 --> 02:35:19,066
Hi, good evening.

3099
02:35:19,834 --> 02:35:21,634
Hi, Uhhuh. Thank you for your time. My name is

3100
02:35:21,634 --> 02:35:23,767
Brian Mojay. I've been one maple street in Draco.

3101
02:35:25,834 --> 02:35:28,166
I am one of those people that someone earlier had

3102
02:35:28,166 --> 02:35:30,066
spoken, oh, you know, people in favor.

3103
02:35:31,066 --> 02:35:34,033
This very few from Nashua or New Hampshire alone.

3104
02:35:34,867 --> 02:35:37,066
Well, I grew up here my whole life. I'm only

3105
02:35:37,066 --> 02:35:38,033
a new to Massachusetts.

3106
02:35:39,066 --> 02:35:41,066
I can tell, I consider this my home and I

3107
02:35:41,066 --> 02:35:43,033
would love to see something like this happen.

3108
02:35:43,834 --> 02:35:45,133
Happened. I believe it'd be very beneficial.

3109
02:35:46,100 --> 02:35:47,333
To families, to businesses.

3110
02:35:48,166 --> 02:35:50,266
And as far as what the mayor was saying, oh,

3111
02:35:50,266 --> 02:35:51,567
why can't it be a nine hole course?

3112
02:35:52,367 --> 02:35:55,734
Well, a nine hole holes, whole course won't bring in.

3113
02:35:56,567 --> 02:35:57,834
The majority of

3114
02:35:58,867 --> 02:36:00,634
tournaments commerce.

3115
02:36:01,700 --> 02:36:04,266
Shops, everything else. As far as the parking goes, I

3116
02:36:04,266 --> 02:36:06,133
believe there are many large hotels.

3117
02:36:07,066 --> 02:36:09,834
Hotels down in the south end. Those will have business.

3118
02:36:10,667 --> 02:36:13,000
People will be flying in the pros. They're gonna be

3119
02:36:13,000 --> 02:36:16,266
spending a couple days. They're gonna dine out. They're gonna

3120
02:36:16,367 --> 02:36:18,900
eat. They're gonna sleep. They're gonna live in Nashua and

3121
02:36:18,900 --> 02:36:21,667
they're gonna be able to experience what I experienced growing

3122
02:36:21,667 --> 02:36:23,367
up. Thank you. Thank you.

3123
02:36:27,000 --> 02:36:29,867
Hi, good evening. Good evening. My name is Janet vouch.

3124
02:36:29,900 --> 02:36:32,066
I live at 41 Roy street in Nashua.

3125
02:36:33,000 --> 02:36:35,066
It's been my home for the last 39 years. And

3126
02:36:35,133 --> 02:36:37,533
I'm very proud to call the city, my home.

3127
02:36:38,734 --> 02:36:40,133
I am a member of the rotary club.

3128
02:36:41,133 --> 02:36:43,166
That is, has provided $30,000.

3129
02:36:44,166 --> 02:36:47,567
And before every meeting, we start with our four-way test.

3130
02:36:48,367 --> 02:36:50,567
Is it the truth? Is it fair to all concerned?

3131
02:36:50,867 --> 02:36:53,033
Will it build Goodwill and better friendships? Will it be

3132
02:36:53,033 --> 02:36:54,667
beneficial to all concerned?

3133
02:36:55,433 --> 02:36:57,634
These are the words again, that we start each of

3134
02:36:57,634 --> 02:36:59,634
our meetings with and we live by those.

3135
02:37:00,567 --> 02:37:03,033
Boards the truth is that this course would be a

3136
02:37:03,033 --> 02:37:04,300
wonderful addition to the city.

3137
02:37:05,333 --> 02:37:07,266
It is fair since it will be available for all

3138
02:37:07,266 --> 02:37:08,000
to enjoy.

3139
02:37:08,934 --> 02:37:10,100
This is not just something for.

3140
02:37:11,433 --> 02:37:13,166
Older people that are on a golf course.

3141
02:37:15,734 --> 02:37:19,000
Small children. Families could have a great opportunity to be

3142
02:37:19,000 --> 02:37:19,533
outside.

3143
02:37:20,367 --> 02:37:23,000
And convene with nature and have a great time.

3144
02:37:24,066 --> 02:37:26,500
Many residents are looking forward to be able to play

3145
02:37:26,500 --> 02:37:30,000
on this course. The last two statements are absolutely true.

3146
02:37:30,500 --> 02:37:32,066
Families and friends can play for free.

3147
02:37:33,133 --> 02:37:35,900
So it is fair to all concerned. It knows no

3148
02:37:36,033 --> 02:37:36,500
monetary.

3149
02:37:37,700 --> 02:37:38,567
Monetary barriers whatsoever.

3150
02:37:40,033 --> 02:37:43,133
And have an opportunity to be outdoors and benefit from

3151
02:37:43,133 --> 02:37:44,900
this wonderful addition to our community.

3152
02:37:45,700 --> 02:37:48,300
As a member of rotary and a Nashua resident, I

3153
02:37:48,300 --> 02:37:50,367
would like to request that you approve the disc golf

3154
02:37:50,367 --> 02:37:53,367
course at Robie park. Thank you for your consideration.

3155
02:37:54,300 --> 02:37:54,533
Thank you.

3156
02:37:57,867 --> 02:37:59,000
Good evening. Hello.

3157
02:37:59,834 --> 02:38:01,066
Brian Chamberlain eight L a L a.

3158
02:38:02,100 --> 02:38:04,333
LA I'm in favor, obviously, and agree with everyone who's

3159
02:38:04,333 --> 02:38:06,734
spoken in front of me. There's one thing that I'd

3160
02:38:06,734 --> 02:38:08,133
like to point out is the numbers that were brought

3161
02:38:08,133 --> 02:38:09,867
up over the amount of people that will be on

3162
02:38:09,867 --> 02:38:10,567
the course at a time.

3163
02:38:11,634 --> 02:38:13,266
I'm not showing up with 72 of my friends at

3164
02:38:13,367 --> 02:38:15,166
10:00 AM to play around. I'm showing up at four.

3165
02:38:16,000 --> 02:38:18,033
So that's four people on the course for two hours.

3166
02:38:19,066 --> 02:38:20,166
And then maybe four behind me for two hours.

3167
02:38:21,133 --> 02:38:22,433
Not 14,000 in a day.

3168
02:38:23,433 --> 02:38:25,634
That was as big excessive on numbers. So that's all.

3169
02:38:25,900 --> 02:38:27,066
Thank you. Thank you.

3170
02:38:30,467 --> 02:38:31,133
Hi, good evening.

3171
02:38:32,000 --> 02:38:34,900
Good evening. Thank you for your service to our city.

3172
02:38:35,033 --> 02:38:36,100
My name is Helen hon.

3173
02:38:37,133 --> 02:38:39,000
Monroe. I'm a member of the rotary club of Nashua

3174
02:38:39,033 --> 02:38:41,000
west. I live at 46, Raymond.

3175
02:38:41,700 --> 02:38:43,867
Street here in Nashua. And I'm also a business owner

3176
02:38:43,934 --> 02:38:47,066
here in Nashua, raised my family here in Nashua.

3177
02:38:48,000 --> 02:38:50,867
One of the things that attracted the rotary club of

3178
02:38:50,934 --> 02:38:52,667
Nashua west to this project.

3179
02:38:53,533 --> 02:38:54,133
Was that it would

3180
02:38:55,834 --> 02:38:58,000
be an opportunity for people to have.

3181
02:38:59,066 --> 02:38:59,767
Healthy opportunities.

3182
02:39:01,133 --> 02:39:04,667
Low cost opportunities to exercise and be out in nature.

3183
02:39:05,700 --> 02:39:08,500
There's so little cost involved in becoming.

3184
02:39:09,533 --> 02:39:11,900
A disc, a disc golf player.

3185
02:39:12,767 --> 02:39:17,900
It there's the outlay is so inexpensive that families of

3186
02:39:17,900 --> 02:39:20,100
all means would have an opportunity.

3187
02:39:21,133 --> 02:39:23,000
To use this. Well, I live in the north end.

3188
02:39:24,567 --> 02:39:26,133
I think that being

3189
02:39:27,066 --> 02:39:29,500
having the opportunity to use our park.

3190
02:39:30,300 --> 02:39:33,834
System throughout the city in allowing people of all ages.

3191
02:39:33,900 --> 02:39:37,100
And that's something pretty, very important to rotary that it's

3192
02:39:37,100 --> 02:39:40,100
an entire community operator opportunity.

3193
02:39:40,934 --> 02:39:43,300
I wanna be very clear. The rotary club of Nashua

3194
02:39:43,300 --> 02:39:47,834
west is fully supportive eyes wide open, nothing has been

3195
02:39:47,834 --> 02:39:48,000
pulled.

3196
02:39:49,433 --> 02:39:52,166
No wool has been pulled over our eyes. And importantly,

3197
02:39:52,166 --> 02:39:53,000
there has been.

3198
02:39:54,100 --> 02:39:55,867
Due process and an opportunity.

3199
02:39:56,934 --> 02:39:59,133
For everyone in this community to be heard, if they

3200
02:39:59,133 --> 02:40:00,033
would like to.

3201
02:40:01,166 --> 02:40:04,533
I am fully supportive personally with rotary club of Nashville

3202
02:40:04,634 --> 02:40:05,000
west.

3203
02:40:05,900 --> 02:40:09,734
Chose this project to celebrate our 50th year of service

3204
02:40:09,934 --> 02:40:10,734
to this community.

3205
02:40:11,634 --> 02:40:14,767
It was an anniversary of sorts, if you will. And.

3206
02:40:15,834 --> 02:40:18,100
We wanted to take the opportunity to join with the

3207
02:40:18,100 --> 02:40:19,066
city to provide.

3208
02:40:20,033 --> 02:40:21,300
Yet another opportunity.

3209
02:40:22,100 --> 02:40:24,500
For people in our community to have safe.

3210
02:40:25,333 --> 02:40:27,734
Healthy opportunities to be

3211
02:40:28,567 --> 02:40:29,767
out in the out in nature.

3212
02:40:30,867 --> 02:40:33,634
They can certainly operate together.

3213
02:40:34,667 --> 02:40:37,834
Everyone understands that the, that the park will continue to

3214
02:40:37,834 --> 02:40:39,567
operate in the way it always has.

3215
02:40:40,367 --> 02:40:42,867
But that this amenity would be really important.

3216
02:40:43,634 --> 02:40:45,533
To people of all ages in our city.

3217
02:40:46,467 --> 02:40:47,567
They help personally that you will.

3218
02:40:49,133 --> 02:40:52,533
Approve this application for the full 18 holes. And I

3219
02:40:52,533 --> 02:40:55,033
know the rotary club of Nashville west would ask for

3220
02:40:55,033 --> 02:40:55,900
that too. Thank you.

3221
02:40:56,767 --> 02:40:57,066
Thank you.

3222
02:41:00,533 --> 02:41:05,033
Good evening. Good evening, Alex McClain 47 William street.

3223
02:41:07,066 --> 02:41:07,166
Also

3224
02:41:08,367 --> 02:41:10,900
employee of the city. I work for the parks department.

3225
02:41:12,867 --> 02:41:13,033
It's

3226
02:41:14,100 --> 02:41:15,066
it's crazy that

3227
02:41:16,166 --> 02:41:19,133
you have individuals out there on a weekly, daily basis

3228
02:41:19,467 --> 02:41:22,734
and setting up their own baskets inside of Greeley park

3229
02:41:22,734 --> 02:41:24,066
and throwing Frisbees.

3230
02:41:24,934 --> 02:41:27,834
And at whatever rate they throw them. And.

3231
02:41:28,767 --> 02:41:30,533
The individuals around them are not up in arms, but

3232
02:41:30,533 --> 02:41:30,734
yet.

3233
02:41:31,634 --> 02:41:33,300
You attempt to do something like this, and we have

3234
02:41:33,300 --> 02:41:34,300
everybody up in arms.

3235
02:41:36,100 --> 02:41:36,767
I just wanna

3236
02:41:37,700 --> 02:41:39,433
talk, you know, my kids have been out on a

3237
02:41:39,567 --> 02:41:41,266
disc golf course since they were.

3238
02:41:43,000 --> 02:41:45,000
Babies walking with a stroller.

3239
02:41:45,767 --> 02:41:49,133
They're 11 to 12. Now I'm majority of these individuals

3240
02:41:49,133 --> 02:41:51,533
here have never seen me without my kids on a

3241
02:41:51,533 --> 02:41:52,000
disc golf course.

3242
02:41:53,900 --> 02:41:56,333
A lot of them, even the very first municipal disc

3243
02:41:56,333 --> 02:41:58,634
golf course that was approved in the state of New Hampshire.

3244
02:41:59,433 --> 02:42:01,367
It's over at Dover. That is one of the most

3245
02:42:01,367 --> 02:42:02,867
heavily used disc golf courses.

3246
02:42:03,634 --> 02:42:06,867
And it is also the most heavily used walking disc

3247
02:42:06,867 --> 02:42:07,266
golf course.

3248
02:42:08,834 --> 02:42:10,634
That they don't have any issues.

3249
02:42:11,634 --> 02:42:12,767
Issues and they haven't had any issues.

3250
02:42:14,166 --> 02:42:15,166
You know, and

3251
02:42:16,367 --> 02:42:20,033
issues over conservation land that I can cite many of

3252
02:42:20,033 --> 02:42:23,266
different disc golf courses that are all on conservation land.

3253
02:42:24,000 --> 02:42:25,567
This is not anything that's out of the norm.

3254
02:42:27,767 --> 02:42:28,066
So

3255
02:42:28,934 --> 02:42:30,266
thank you. Thank you.

3256
02:42:35,867 --> 02:42:39,000
Mr. Chairman members again, Andy Pearlman, the per Pearlman.

3257
02:42:39,834 --> 02:42:41,033
Attorneys here in Nashua.

3258
02:42:42,033 --> 02:42:44,300
You recall at the outset? I said, I want to

3259
02:42:44,300 --> 02:42:46,667
speak for a moment as a witness, so I I'm

3260
02:42:46,667 --> 02:42:48,266
gonna speak for a moment as a witness. If, if

3261
02:42:48,266 --> 02:42:50,767
please the board, then I do want to have some

3262
02:42:50,767 --> 02:42:52,133
rebuttal time for the comments that were made.

3263
02:42:53,266 --> 02:42:54,567
And the reason I wanted to speak as a witness,

3264
02:42:54,567 --> 02:42:59,000
because since I got involved with this project, since January, 2024,

3265
02:43:00,100 --> 02:43:02,033
I've actually used it to get out and spend some

3266
02:43:02,033 --> 02:43:04,100
time outside. My wife and I have walked.

3267
02:43:05,133 --> 02:43:05,066
Four courses.

3268
02:43:07,367 --> 02:43:11,867
Four full disc golf courses, two in Manchester, the hollows

3269
02:43:11,867 --> 02:43:12,767
courses, north and south.

3270
02:43:13,867 --> 02:43:15,066
One course in

3271
02:43:16,734 --> 02:43:20,033
Franklin mass and one course in nearby and begins with

3272
02:43:20,300 --> 02:43:23,066
M I forget the town, but we worked out there's

3273
02:43:23,066 --> 02:43:23,300
four courses.

3274
02:43:24,166 --> 02:43:25,133
While they were being used.

3275
02:43:26,467 --> 02:43:28,133
While they were someone busier than others.

3276
02:43:29,166 --> 02:43:30,500
But we, we walk the courses.

3277
02:43:31,233 --> 02:43:34,100
And just to just, just.

3278
02:43:34,867 --> 02:43:37,500
Get a sense of the operation.

3279
02:43:38,300 --> 02:43:41,000
But we weren't playing, we weren't playing disc golf. We

3280
02:43:41,000 --> 02:43:43,033
were just walking and we would tell people I'm walking,

3281
02:43:43,033 --> 02:43:44,900
cuz I'm involved in this project. I just wanted to

3282
02:43:45,066 --> 02:43:47,867
feel it out and say no. So people were about

3283
02:43:47,867 --> 02:43:50,333
to tee off and we would say, do you mind

3284
02:43:50,333 --> 02:43:51,667
if we walk ahead and this said, well, let us

3285
02:43:51,667 --> 02:43:53,767
tee off. You guys can walk and then we're gonna

3286
02:43:53,767 --> 02:43:56,100
throw again. Start we'll call you out and stop.

3287
02:43:56,567 --> 02:43:58,000
And pull, you know, move to the side of the

3288
02:43:58,166 --> 02:44:01,300
fairway and then watch for our disks. And then you

3289
02:44:01,300 --> 02:44:01,834
can keep walking.

3290
02:44:03,133 --> 02:44:05,100
Not once. Do we have any concern for our safety?

3291
02:44:06,100 --> 02:44:07,767
It, it was so friendly. It was so.

3292
02:44:08,767 --> 02:44:11,433
Welcome, please enjoy the walk in the woods.

3293
02:44:12,166 --> 02:44:14,300
It, it was fantastic. And not once did we ever

3294
02:44:15,100 --> 02:44:16,767
think that there's gonna be a Frisbee that's gonna hit

3295
02:44:16,767 --> 02:44:19,634
the back of our head, right? Because they saw the

3296
02:44:19,634 --> 02:44:22,367
players saw that the, we were, there were walkers on

3297
02:44:22,367 --> 02:44:24,333
the course and they respected us and they let us

3298
02:44:24,333 --> 02:44:27,667
do our thing. And I, I expected the same here.

3299
02:44:29,367 --> 02:44:31,834
All of the courses that we walked are all the

3300
02:44:31,834 --> 02:44:34,033
same as what we're proposing Robie park though. It's all

3301
02:44:34,100 --> 02:44:34,433
town.

3302
02:44:35,734 --> 02:44:36,634
Our city owned land.

3303
02:44:37,533 --> 02:44:39,433
They all have wetlands on. 'em just, it's hard. You

3304
02:44:39,433 --> 02:44:42,367
can't avoid, you know, 30, some odd acres and not

3305
02:44:42,367 --> 02:44:44,100
have some wetlands on 'em. They all have bridges. They

3306
02:44:44,100 --> 02:44:46,367
all have signs. They have some ropes of guiding the

3307
02:44:46,367 --> 02:44:46,634
players.

3308
02:44:47,433 --> 02:44:50,533
Through all the same, but what I wanted to tell

3309
02:44:50,533 --> 02:44:52,000
you as a witness is what we, what we took

3310
02:44:52,000 --> 02:44:52,333
away.

3311
02:44:53,133 --> 02:44:56,066
From our, our walks and we actually, my, my wife

3312
02:44:56,066 --> 02:44:58,066
remind know that we played round of disc golf some

3313
02:44:58,066 --> 02:44:59,000
years ago in Pennsylvania.

3314
02:45:00,100 --> 02:45:01,533
What we took away from it was, was two things.

3315
02:45:02,467 --> 02:45:05,266
Family and friends and respect. I said that this is

3316
02:45:05,266 --> 02:45:07,567
only board. I'm gonna say it in here tonight, family

3317
02:45:07,634 --> 02:45:08,000
and friends.

3318
02:45:10,166 --> 02:45:11,033
We just saw

3319
02:45:11,834 --> 02:45:16,033
groups of friend 20 rolls. We saw three generations playing

3320
02:45:16,133 --> 02:45:16,300
together.

3321
02:45:17,133 --> 02:45:19,667
We we saw dogs being walked. It, it was, it

3322
02:45:19,667 --> 02:45:20,734
was just a friendliest thing.

3323
02:45:21,700 --> 02:45:23,767
And then the respect part of it. I, we, I,

3324
02:45:24,066 --> 02:45:25,834
since I've been involved with this thing, I've, I've come

3325
02:45:25,834 --> 02:45:26,066
to.

3326
02:45:26,867 --> 02:45:29,000
I'm really taken by the disc golf community because all

3327
02:45:29,000 --> 02:45:29,266
these courses.

3328
02:45:31,066 --> 02:45:33,734
Are immaculate. There's no traction. There's no beer bottles. There's

3329
02:45:33,734 --> 02:45:34,133
no trash.

3330
02:45:35,066 --> 02:45:38,433
They're all carrying carry out. These are immaculate courses and

3331
02:45:38,433 --> 02:45:40,767
it's because of the disc golf community. They, they don't,

3332
02:45:40,767 --> 02:45:42,266
they don't put up with any bologna.

3333
02:45:43,433 --> 02:45:47,333
And we were just so taken by the, by the

3334
02:45:47,333 --> 02:45:48,000
discipline.

3335
02:45:49,033 --> 02:45:50,500
And just, just the camaraderie.

3336
02:45:51,433 --> 02:45:54,033
If you talk to folks who run these org disc

3337
02:45:54,033 --> 02:45:57,567
golf organizations, they will have a cleanup day. There's a

3338
02:45:57,567 --> 02:45:59,266
couple in the back of the room, Norma and bill

3339
02:45:59,266 --> 02:46:02,166
Bruce. They operate programs up in Manchester and they will

3340
02:46:02,166 --> 02:46:02,333
say.

3341
02:46:03,533 --> 02:46:05,667
We call out, you know, every spring and fall we

3342
02:46:05,667 --> 02:46:07,634
will have a cleanup day. No, no play.

3343
02:46:08,367 --> 02:46:09,834
On the chorus war, we're gonna get a hundred people

3344
02:46:09,867 --> 02:46:12,367
walk the course and pick everything up, right. Pick up,

3345
02:46:12,634 --> 02:46:14,533
you know, this that may be lost or whatnot.

3346
02:46:15,433 --> 02:46:17,066
Just the community is, is so impressive.

3347
02:46:18,100 --> 02:46:20,066
And, you know, I don't know the stories about trash

3348
02:46:20,100 --> 02:46:22,000
Roby park. I don't want to live down there, but

3349
02:46:22,467 --> 02:46:23,367
my experience.

3350
02:46:24,367 --> 02:46:27,333
From what I witnessed it's that is not true from

3351
02:46:27,333 --> 02:46:28,166
what, from what I saw.

3352
02:46:29,133 --> 02:46:31,333
And, you know, the zoning board met one of the

3353
02:46:31,333 --> 02:46:32,100
zoning board members.

3354
02:46:34,433 --> 02:46:37,834
Neely he's he said, you know, I actually went up

3355
02:46:37,834 --> 02:46:41,033
to, I walked the halls course up in Manchester and

3356
02:46:41,166 --> 02:46:43,900
well, he said just what attorney Pearlman said it was,

3357
02:46:43,900 --> 02:46:46,533
it was a immaculate it's clean. It was respected. I

3358
02:46:46,533 --> 02:46:46,767
so.

3359
02:46:47,767 --> 02:46:50,433
That's my story as a witness. This is the disc

3360
02:46:50,433 --> 02:46:52,000
golf community you heard tonight.

3361
02:46:52,900 --> 02:46:56,100
You know, they're, they're an impressive group. So that's my.

3362
02:46:57,166 --> 02:47:00,667
Take as a witness Mr. Chairman, and I would like

3363
02:47:00,667 --> 02:47:02,166
an opportunity to rebut some comments.

3364
02:47:03,433 --> 02:47:05,166
Comments if that's, if that's okay. Yeah, you may.

3365
02:47:06,300 --> 02:47:07,900
Possibly. I just want to take the temperature of the

3366
02:47:07,900 --> 02:47:08,433
board here.

3367
02:47:09,166 --> 02:47:11,667
Obviously, there was quite a bit of testimony tonight for

3368
02:47:12,000 --> 02:47:13,100
approaching 10 o'clock.

3369
02:47:16,166 --> 02:47:19,000
What's what's the mood of the board perspective, hearing a

3370
02:47:19,000 --> 02:47:19,533
rebuttal.

3371
02:47:21,433 --> 02:47:23,900
I guess the, the, the follow up to that would

3372
02:47:23,900 --> 02:47:24,000
be.

3373
02:47:25,166 --> 02:47:26,433
If we hear the rebuttal.

3374
02:47:27,433 --> 02:47:30,533
Are we then interested in deliberating knowing there's still some

3375
02:47:30,533 --> 02:47:32,166
other business items on the agenda.

3376
02:47:35,033 --> 02:47:39,000
I want to force anybody into anything, but any general

3377
02:47:39,000 --> 02:47:39,767
thoughts on.

3378
02:47:40,667 --> 02:47:42,433
How we may wish to proceed from here.

3379
02:47:44,667 --> 02:47:47,166
Can we to define the time could we give a

3380
02:47:47,166 --> 02:47:50,900
time limit limit to the it's? It's very hard to

3381
02:47:50,900 --> 02:47:53,767
do. I think yeah. Use the complex as a complex

3382
02:47:53,767 --> 02:47:58,000
issue we may to discuss. Let's true. Yeah. Our meeting,

3383
02:47:58,667 --> 02:48:00,300
I, I would say suggest we.

3384
02:48:01,300 --> 02:48:02,433
That we, we at least hear the rebuttal.

3385
02:48:03,667 --> 02:48:05,300
And we could always, you know,

3386
02:48:07,300 --> 02:48:11,100
reassess after that. Okay. Determine whether we think that we

3387
02:48:11,100 --> 02:48:11,433
need.

3388
02:48:12,166 --> 02:48:14,100
You know, another meeting to deliberate.

3389
02:48:15,100 --> 02:48:17,166
Or not. Yeah, we're, we're not trying to pigeonhole.

3390
02:48:18,000 --> 02:48:21,000
The, the applicant or draw things out unnecessarily, but there

3391
02:48:21,000 --> 02:48:22,900
was obviously, there was a lot of commentary.

3392
02:48:24,667 --> 02:48:25,433
We want to give you.

3393
02:48:26,300 --> 02:48:29,100
As much opportunity to respond to those comments as, as

3394
02:48:29,433 --> 02:48:30,033
possible. But.

3395
02:48:30,900 --> 02:48:33,166
If, if, if we're talking another hour potentially at a

3396
02:48:33,166 --> 02:48:36,100
rebuttal, I'm just making up a number, hypothetically, and then

3397
02:48:36,100 --> 02:48:38,300
we go into our deliberation. I think we're.

3398
02:48:39,100 --> 02:48:41,433
This is why we kind of establish that, that unofficial

3399
02:48:41,667 --> 02:48:43,000
cutoff. But.

3400
02:48:44,033 --> 02:48:45,533
I think it seems like it's the pleasure of the

3401
02:48:45,533 --> 02:48:48,033
board. We'd like to give you an opportunity this evening.

3402
02:48:48,767 --> 02:48:51,533
To rebut, whether rebuttal is one person each correct.

3403
02:48:54,000 --> 02:48:58,166
No, it's you it's it's solely it's the applicant's. Oh,

3404
02:48:58,166 --> 02:49:00,533
this is, this is your, your, yeah.

3405
02:49:01,533 --> 02:49:03,100
Three minutes. Okay. I promise.

3406
02:49:04,433 --> 02:49:06,667
I want, I won't, you know, I won't hold you

3407
02:49:06,667 --> 02:49:10,433
to that, but no, it's okay. We, we appreciate it.

3408
02:49:10,433 --> 02:49:11,033
Thank you.

3409
02:49:14,000 --> 02:49:16,767
Just just, and just some comments and it's not just

3410
02:49:16,767 --> 02:49:19,000
to call some things out. There was not, there was

3411
02:49:19,000 --> 02:49:20,667
nothing particularly technical from the.

3412
02:49:22,000 --> 02:49:23,300
Those in opposition with concern.

3413
02:49:24,166 --> 02:49:25,667
So just wanna call out some, some comments.

3414
02:49:26,900 --> 02:49:31,767
Comments Mr. Barley, your initial questions about trail conflict. I,

3415
02:49:32,033 --> 02:49:34,033
I, you know, I, I tried to explain that and

3416
02:49:34,033 --> 02:49:34,667
my comments as a witness.

3417
02:49:36,900 --> 02:49:39,767
We the nine hole question came up at the zoning

3418
02:49:39,767 --> 02:49:40,000
board.

3419
02:49:41,033 --> 02:49:41,667
The nine hole.

3420
02:49:43,100 --> 02:49:45,900
Proposal was rejected because we think the course would fail

3421
02:49:46,033 --> 02:49:48,000
in, in and of itself. People want to play 18

3422
02:49:48,000 --> 02:49:50,433
holes, people don't, people who want to come here and

3423
02:49:50,433 --> 02:49:52,000
play nine holes in a half an hour and, and

3424
02:49:52,000 --> 02:49:53,433
take off it's. It's not what's.

3425
02:49:54,300 --> 02:49:55,667
What's being proposed. It's not.

3426
02:49:56,667 --> 02:49:59,433
A a, a positive experience for dis golfers.

3427
02:50:00,667 --> 02:50:03,667
Mr guardian, if I'm saying that name correctly, and I

3428
02:50:03,667 --> 02:50:06,667
apologize if I'm not, he raised a question of location.

3429
02:50:07,533 --> 02:50:10,433
And there's a gentleman speaking in favor, who was exactly

3430
02:50:10,433 --> 02:50:12,433
right. We met with director Foto yesterday.

3431
02:50:13,667 --> 02:50:18,166
Grilly park, mines falls, Yi were all looked at and

3432
02:50:18,300 --> 02:50:19,533
all ruled off for different reasons.

3433
02:50:20,533 --> 02:50:22,100
Reasons I primarily, because the topography.

3434
02:50:23,100 --> 02:50:26,100
Of Robie park is what this golf players like to.

3435
02:50:27,000 --> 02:50:28,433
Play on. They like to challenge.

3436
02:50:29,166 --> 02:50:31,667
The other course, the other areas were too flat, too

3437
02:50:31,667 --> 02:50:32,033
boring.

3438
02:50:32,767 --> 02:50:35,533
It wouldn't bring, bring PA players back. They, the Roby

3439
02:50:35,533 --> 02:50:36,533
park was the best option.

3440
02:50:37,533 --> 02:50:39,533
That the city considered and they did consider a number

3441
02:50:39,533 --> 02:50:40,000
of options.

3442
02:50:41,000 --> 02:50:43,166
Ms. Mooni had a couple comments.

3443
02:50:44,166 --> 02:50:46,300
Comments. She is correct. D E S has to sign

3444
02:50:46,300 --> 02:50:49,166
off on the crossings, but be because the crossings are

3445
02:50:49,166 --> 02:50:49,667
so minor.

3446
02:50:50,667 --> 02:50:54,533
The approvals are done by notice there's no formal hearing

3447
02:50:54,900 --> 02:50:57,433
or anything. The Dan Hudson will simply send out.

3448
02:50:58,300 --> 02:51:03,166
Notice that the project complies with D S requirements and

3449
02:51:03,166 --> 02:51:03,900
that's about it.

3450
02:51:04,767 --> 02:51:07,166
There's no trash bails being proposed on the courts or

3451
02:51:07,166 --> 02:51:09,100
in the courts. It's just gonna be it's Carrie in,

3452
02:51:09,100 --> 02:51:09,667
carry out.

3453
02:51:10,433 --> 02:51:12,000
They'll probably be a trash barrel by the parking lot,

3454
02:51:12,000 --> 02:51:13,667
along the porta potty.

3455
02:51:14,900 --> 02:51:17,433
This is not conservation land. I, when I first got

3456
02:51:17,433 --> 02:51:19,667
into this, I did title on Robie park. There is

3457
02:51:19,767 --> 02:51:20,300
no easements.

3458
02:51:21,300 --> 02:51:24,300
Easements there. And I, I, I represent as council before

3459
02:51:24,300 --> 02:51:25,667
you that there's no.

3460
02:51:26,433 --> 02:51:29,000
Restrictions or easements. There's a sewer easement in aerobic park,

3461
02:51:29,000 --> 02:51:29,767
but that's about it.

3462
02:51:30,900 --> 02:51:32,000
Is not conservation land.

3463
02:51:35,300 --> 02:51:36,667
There was talk about tournaments.

3464
02:51:37,667 --> 02:51:40,000
Tournaments and tournaments, but they don't expect many tournaments. There'll

3465
02:51:40,000 --> 02:51:42,433
be a handful of tournaments. Over the years. Tournaments are

3466
02:51:42,433 --> 02:51:45,100
run by professionals. Tournaments will be told if you're gonna

3467
02:51:45,100 --> 02:51:47,033
have a big crowd that you have to manage your

3468
02:51:47,033 --> 02:51:49,100
crowd. You have to find some offsite, parking and shuttle

3469
02:51:49,667 --> 02:51:50,100
to the site.

3470
02:51:51,767 --> 02:51:54,166
I would, I watched a tournament up in Manchester and

3471
02:51:54,533 --> 02:51:56,533
it was a, it was a popular tournament. It was

3472
02:51:56,533 --> 02:51:59,100
a new England tournament. And.

3473
02:52:00,066 --> 02:52:02,100
The way the Bruces actually ran it. They have timed.

3474
02:52:03,166 --> 02:52:06,166
Timed tee times and players are told not to show

3475
02:52:06,166 --> 02:52:08,900
up until like 15 minutes before your tee time. And

3476
02:52:09,033 --> 02:52:11,166
it, it scatters the crowd over the day. It really

3477
02:52:11,166 --> 02:52:14,667
works. So tournaments will be a benefit cuz it'll draw

3478
02:52:14,667 --> 02:52:18,166
people to Nashua, but they can be vantage professionally managed.

3479
02:52:18,166 --> 02:52:18,300
Well.

3480
02:52:19,900 --> 02:52:22,667
And finally, I just, there was one comment at the

3481
02:52:22,667 --> 02:52:23,667
end, Ms. McKinley.

3482
02:52:25,533 --> 02:52:26,433
She said, quote

3483
02:52:28,300 --> 02:52:29,767
if you don't belong to a team, you don't get

3484
02:52:29,767 --> 02:52:30,100
to play.

3485
02:52:31,100 --> 02:52:32,533
And this is not, this is gonna end up not.

3486
02:52:33,300 --> 02:52:35,033
Not end up for families. This is a quote.

3487
02:52:36,300 --> 02:52:37,300
That couldn't be more wrong.

3488
02:52:38,100 --> 02:52:39,433
You know, I it's a shame.

3489
02:52:40,300 --> 02:52:43,300
These, these meetings are run late into the night because.

3490
02:52:44,166 --> 02:52:46,166
The zoning board had a lot of kids come out

3491
02:52:46,300 --> 02:52:48,100
and a lot of coaches come out and say, this

3492
02:52:48,100 --> 02:52:50,100
is great. A lot of teachers say this is great

3493
02:52:50,100 --> 02:52:53,433
for my students. This is something that cost, I don't

3494
02:52:53,433 --> 02:52:55,300
know, you know, 10, 20 bucks to buy a disc.

3495
02:52:55,300 --> 02:52:56,166
Kids can get out there.

3496
02:52:57,100 --> 02:53:00,433
The, the cost to just as, as, as, as HARO

3497
02:53:00,433 --> 02:53:03,000
said, the cost of getting into this sport is next

3498
02:53:03,000 --> 02:53:05,300
to nothing compared to all or other options.

3499
02:53:06,300 --> 02:53:08,667
I have a granddaughter and I'm intentionally not buying her

3500
02:53:08,667 --> 02:53:09,166
hockey equipment.

3501
02:53:10,100 --> 02:53:12,000
Right, because I don't want to go down that road.

3502
02:53:12,533 --> 02:53:15,767
I maybe I'll buy her a disk, but this is

3503
02:53:16,000 --> 02:53:18,533
designed for families. Yes, they'll be tournaments. Yes. There'll be

3504
02:53:18,667 --> 02:53:21,000
pros coming to this thing, but this is such a

3505
02:53:21,000 --> 02:53:22,000
family friendly, free.

3506
02:53:23,033 --> 02:53:25,166
Meant for the city. So we are looking for.

3507
02:53:26,100 --> 02:53:27,166
Your approval tonight. So thank you very much.

3508
02:53:28,533 --> 02:53:29,433
Okay, thank you.

3509
02:53:33,433 --> 02:53:35,033
So put it back to the board.

3510
02:53:37,300 --> 02:53:37,667
For

3511
02:53:38,667 --> 02:53:39,000
before we close the.

3512
02:53:40,900 --> 02:53:42,667
Public hearing any further questions.

3513
02:53:43,767 --> 02:53:46,767
Questions of staff or applicant scheme.

3514
02:53:51,166 --> 02:53:51,667
All right.

3515
02:53:52,767 --> 02:53:54,100
Well seeing none.

3516
02:53:57,300 --> 02:54:00,100
We're gonna close the public hearing now, regardless.

3517
02:54:02,000 --> 02:54:03,166
I guess again, I'll, I'll put out.

3518
02:54:04,166 --> 02:54:04,667
Similar question.

3519
02:54:06,667 --> 02:54:08,533
Pleasure the board in terms of deliberating.

3520
02:54:09,300 --> 02:54:09,533
This tonight.

3521
02:54:14,533 --> 02:54:17,033
What's your capacity for, for moving on.

3522
02:54:18,000 --> 02:54:19,166
I'm okay to keep going, but you guys are good.

3523
02:54:19,300 --> 02:54:21,433
Yeah. Okay. To Maggie.

3524
02:54:22,433 --> 02:54:25,433
Doesn't have to be damn this way. Okay. Okay. All

3525
02:54:25,433 --> 02:54:25,533
right.

3526
02:54:26,667 --> 02:54:28,300
So, all right.

3527
02:54:31,433 --> 02:54:33,667
Obviously, we heard a lot of information.

3528
02:54:35,100 --> 02:54:35,667
This evening.

3529
02:54:36,900 --> 02:54:38,100
Both both pro and con.

3530
02:54:40,433 --> 02:54:42,533
But I, I guess this is one I I'd really

3531
02:54:42,533 --> 02:54:43,767
like to hear from, from.

3532
02:54:44,533 --> 02:54:45,667
Our board members first.

3533
02:54:47,100 --> 02:54:48,767
General thoughts or impressions?

3534
02:54:51,667 --> 02:54:54,166
Please Mr. Green. Yep. Well, I personally play a lot

3535
02:54:54,166 --> 02:54:58,433
of outdoor sports, not disco in particular, but volleyball and.

3536
02:54:59,900 --> 02:55:02,100
Softball friends. Most of the people that tend to play

3537
02:55:02,166 --> 02:55:03,433
end up playing art.

3538
02:55:04,667 --> 02:55:06,667
Malicious in their tent, they're there to play the game.

3539
02:55:07,000 --> 02:55:07,433
Get out.

3540
02:55:09,433 --> 02:55:11,900
So, you know, I, I probably echo many of the.

3541
02:55:12,767 --> 02:55:14,100
The thoughts of some of the.

3542
02:55:16,533 --> 02:55:18,667
People who were for the proposal.

3543
02:55:19,667 --> 02:55:22,166
And just looking at, you know, generally our master planning

3544
02:55:22,300 --> 02:55:24,000
and some of the other objectives of the city. I

3545
02:55:24,000 --> 02:55:25,433
think this does bring in as a.

3546
02:55:27,100 --> 02:55:28,533
Place to for, for most people.

3547
02:55:29,300 --> 02:55:30,533
Almost everybody. So

3548
02:55:32,033 --> 02:55:35,033
I, I tend to think that it fits the, the

3549
02:55:35,033 --> 02:55:37,033
use of the space in the park and, you know,

3550
02:55:37,033 --> 02:55:37,300
similar.

3551
02:55:38,533 --> 02:55:41,900
Sites that I've seen throughout this college with pedestrians moving

3552
02:55:41,900 --> 02:55:45,533
throughout those types of courses and, and work we've put

3553
02:55:45,533 --> 02:55:48,100
them in as well. And there hasn't been any issues

3554
02:55:48,100 --> 02:55:50,767
with even getting close hitting cars, even though they're very

3555
02:55:50,767 --> 02:55:51,900
close to parking lots. So.

3556
02:55:54,033 --> 02:55:54,900
You know, aesthetically

3557
02:55:56,033 --> 02:55:58,667
it's very similar as well. There's park.

3558
02:55:59,433 --> 02:56:01,433
And conservation, it's not a.

3559
02:56:02,300 --> 02:56:05,667
Intensive sport or intensive sport. Like you're not clear cutting,

3560
02:56:05,767 --> 02:56:07,767
and you're not clear cutting everything. You're not.

3561
02:56:09,900 --> 02:56:10,667
Creating any additional

3562
02:56:11,667 --> 02:56:12,767
spaces that

3563
02:56:13,900 --> 02:56:17,300
not spaces. You're not doing additional civil work to really

3564
02:56:17,300 --> 02:56:19,533
destroy the what's existing there. So.

3565
02:56:20,767 --> 02:56:23,166
I think this is relatively low impact for, for the

3566
02:56:23,166 --> 02:56:25,100
area that that's being proposed for.

3567
02:56:26,533 --> 02:56:27,433
Thank you, Mr. Green.

3568
02:56:30,433 --> 02:56:33,100
Others. Mr. Barley, please. Yeah. Mr. Chair, I've just, I

3569
02:56:33,100 --> 02:56:34,900
would echo some of the comments from Mr. Green. I

3570
02:56:34,900 --> 02:56:37,166
mean, I, I appreciate that this is not.

3571
02:56:38,166 --> 02:56:41,166
A zero impact use, right? They're they're some trees are

3572
02:56:41,166 --> 02:56:41,767
gonna be cut.

3573
02:56:42,667 --> 02:56:45,100
You know, we've heard about, you know, additional bridges being

3574
02:56:45,166 --> 02:56:45,533
added.

3575
02:56:47,533 --> 02:56:49,166
But I would say of, of the sort of.

3576
02:56:50,000 --> 02:56:52,667
Uses you could envision here. This is a relatively low

3577
02:56:52,667 --> 02:56:53,533
impact use.

3578
02:56:54,533 --> 02:56:57,667
And I think we've heard a bunch of testimony that.

3579
02:56:58,900 --> 02:57:01,000
Supports, you know, this use.

3580
02:57:01,900 --> 02:57:03,000
Being able to coexist.

3581
02:57:04,000 --> 02:57:06,100
With the other existing uses, you know, in terms of

3582
02:57:06,100 --> 02:57:07,166
people walking on the trails.

3583
02:57:08,166 --> 02:57:09,533
Trails. And I would just suggest that that's.

3584
02:57:10,433 --> 02:57:12,300
That's pretty similar to a lot of the other, other

3585
02:57:12,300 --> 02:57:14,433
public spaces in Nashua. You know, if you go to.

3586
02:57:15,166 --> 02:57:18,100
Mind falls park, for example, you know, several people mentioned

3587
02:57:18,100 --> 02:57:18,166
that.

3588
02:57:19,300 --> 02:57:21,433
There's lots of different uses happening there.

3589
02:57:22,300 --> 02:57:25,033
At the same time you've got, you know, multiple uses

3590
02:57:25,033 --> 02:57:26,533
on the, on the trails, whether it's people.

3591
02:57:27,433 --> 02:57:29,767
Running walking, biking. You've got soccer fields there.

3592
02:57:30,667 --> 02:57:32,767
You know, you've got a number of different activities and,

3593
02:57:33,000 --> 02:57:35,033
you know, my sense, having spent quite a bit of

3594
02:57:35,033 --> 02:57:37,433
time there is that, you know, that those uses seem

3595
02:57:37,433 --> 02:57:38,900
to be able to successfully.

3596
02:57:39,533 --> 02:57:41,767
Coexist. And I think the same thing could be said

3597
02:57:41,767 --> 02:57:42,433
for Greeley park.

3598
02:57:44,300 --> 02:57:44,900
So I think

3599
02:57:45,667 --> 02:57:48,166
you know, there's a, a degree which.

3600
02:57:49,667 --> 02:57:52,033
I think we we've, we've got a good plan from

3601
02:57:52,033 --> 02:57:54,033
the city. We've heard a lot of testimony that suggests.

3602
02:57:55,033 --> 02:57:57,667
You know, as, as you, as I respect for other

3603
02:57:57,667 --> 02:58:00,100
experiences that these uses can coexist. And again,

3604
02:58:01,000 --> 02:58:04,000
I feel like it's a, a relatively low impact use.

3605
02:58:04,900 --> 02:58:06,533
Given the space in a, in a good way to

3606
02:58:06,533 --> 02:58:07,033
provide.

3607
02:58:07,767 --> 02:58:08,900
People an alternative way.

3608
02:58:10,533 --> 02:58:13,433
To get out and explore, you know, an open space

3609
02:58:13,767 --> 02:58:15,533
and to do so at no cost.

3610
02:58:17,667 --> 02:58:18,667
Thank you, Mr. Barley.

3611
02:58:20,533 --> 02:58:21,100
Anyone else?

3612
02:58:22,533 --> 02:58:26,533
Ms. Har please just quickly OB I do echo a

3613
02:58:26,533 --> 02:58:29,300
lot of the sentiments that you both just just said,

3614
02:58:30,300 --> 02:58:32,900
and I don't play the sport either, but I do

3615
02:58:32,900 --> 02:58:35,900
have some friends that, that do play discal.

3616
02:58:37,000 --> 02:58:39,100
And the one thing that they always say about it

3617
02:58:39,166 --> 02:58:41,433
is that they love it because they're outside of nature.

3618
02:58:42,300 --> 02:58:45,900
Playing playing the game and that that's really the draw.

3619
02:58:48,300 --> 02:58:50,533
And I, I think that sounds wonderful.

3620
02:58:53,033 --> 02:58:55,667
And, and again, I do feel like this is fairly

3621
02:58:55,767 --> 02:58:58,533
low impact, you know, compared to like mowing everything down

3622
02:58:58,533 --> 02:59:00,900
and putting a softball field in or.

3623
02:59:01,900 --> 02:59:06,166
Pickleball court or, I mean, pretty much any other sport

3624
02:59:06,166 --> 02:59:06,767
out there.

3625
02:59:09,033 --> 02:59:12,000
And that, you know, potentially down the road, if you

3626
02:59:12,000 --> 02:59:15,000
know, there was no more disc golfing, the impact as

3627
02:59:15,000 --> 02:59:16,300
far as what type of equipment.

3628
02:59:17,166 --> 02:59:19,033
Or what's been done to the land itself.

3629
02:59:20,033 --> 02:59:22,166
Will be low impacted. You could, you know, you could

3630
02:59:22,166 --> 02:59:24,033
potentially remove it and it would be.

3631
02:59:24,900 --> 02:59:27,433
We would still have ones. So that's.

3632
02:59:28,300 --> 02:59:32,100
That's all I have. Yeah. I, I appreciate those thoughts.

3633
02:59:33,033 --> 02:59:35,033
The, the one thing I did want to comment on

3634
02:59:35,166 --> 02:59:35,433
was.

3635
02:59:37,033 --> 02:59:38,533
Was the parking. I, I.

3636
02:59:39,533 --> 02:59:41,166
Appreciate the fact that the city is.

3637
02:59:42,300 --> 02:59:45,300
At least they they've left themselves some room.

3638
02:59:46,300 --> 02:59:48,033
Should should there need to be improvements?

3639
02:59:49,533 --> 02:59:51,433
I, I wouldn't necessarily be in favor of just adding,

3640
02:59:51,667 --> 02:59:53,000
you know, unused, impervious.

3641
02:59:54,000 --> 02:59:56,667
Just for the sake of potentially adding it. I think

3642
02:59:56,667 --> 02:59:57,300
if, if folks.

3643
02:59:58,166 --> 03:00:00,433
Played sports or had kids that played sports in town,

3644
03:00:01,033 --> 03:00:04,767
you know, that whether it's shady lane or dooby field

3645
03:00:04,767 --> 03:00:05,433
there there's.

3646
03:00:06,433 --> 03:00:07,667
There's there. Isn't a ton of parking.

3647
03:00:10,166 --> 03:00:11,100
Even if even

3648
03:00:12,033 --> 03:00:15,667
community park, you know, whether you had early morning, fall

3649
03:00:15,667 --> 03:00:19,433
soccer or just taking prom pictures. You're, you're basically on

3650
03:00:19,433 --> 03:00:20,767
street parking there. So.

3651
03:00:22,300 --> 03:00:25,166
In any case? I, I, I, I understand the.

3652
03:00:26,667 --> 03:00:27,667
Understand the concern.

3653
03:00:28,767 --> 03:00:31,100
But it seems like the city does potentially have options

3654
03:00:31,300 --> 03:00:33,100
to, to address that should this thing.

3655
03:00:34,533 --> 03:00:38,100
You know, turn into something more than, than what it's

3656
03:00:38,100 --> 03:00:39,000
anticipated to be.

3657
03:00:41,033 --> 03:00:41,166
So

3658
03:00:44,533 --> 03:00:45,900
it's kind of, kind of my thoughts on it.

3659
03:00:46,900 --> 03:00:49,166
Mr. Barley, please. You Mr. Judge, just to, since you

3660
03:00:49,166 --> 03:00:51,667
raised the, the parking issue, I, I, I agree with

3661
03:00:51,667 --> 03:00:52,533
you and I agree with the.

3662
03:00:53,533 --> 03:00:54,533
You know, the city's approach of.

3663
03:00:55,767 --> 03:00:56,900
Not adding the parking first.

3664
03:00:58,767 --> 03:01:01,667
You know, without sort of, you know, seeing what the.

3665
03:01:02,767 --> 03:01:03,767
What the usage is.

3666
03:01:05,000 --> 03:01:07,433
I like the idea of not, you know, again, talking

3667
03:01:07,433 --> 03:01:07,767
about.

3668
03:01:08,533 --> 03:01:10,767
The impact to the land and, and.

3669
03:01:11,767 --> 03:01:14,433
You know, so taking more tree down, trees down, adding

3670
03:01:14,433 --> 03:01:15,166
more impervious surface.

3671
03:01:16,166 --> 03:01:18,000
I, I, I agree with the approach of, let's not,

3672
03:01:18,000 --> 03:01:19,533
let's not do that to start.

3673
03:01:20,433 --> 03:01:21,767
If it's maybe not necessary. And.

3674
03:01:22,667 --> 03:01:24,433
I, I will. I, you know, it's, it's been a

3675
03:01:24,433 --> 03:01:25,667
while since I've spent.

3676
03:01:26,433 --> 03:01:28,000
Much time at Robie park, as my kids are older

3677
03:01:28,000 --> 03:01:30,166
now, but, you know, we used to go there all

3678
03:01:30,166 --> 03:01:33,767
the time and, and I'm, I've experienced the, you know,

3679
03:01:34,033 --> 03:01:37,033
sort of overflow parking situation in the winter for sledding

3680
03:01:37,033 --> 03:01:39,166
and, and, you know, sometimes the other parking lot could

3681
03:01:39,166 --> 03:01:39,767
give busy, but.

3682
03:01:40,533 --> 03:01:42,533
You know, I think Pelger as you've correctly pointed out,

3683
03:01:42,533 --> 03:01:43,900
I mean, that's true of a lot of.

3684
03:01:45,533 --> 03:01:48,000
You know, public spaces, playing fields in Nashua and I,

3685
03:01:48,000 --> 03:01:48,166
you know,

3686
03:01:50,100 --> 03:01:52,667
I, I, I think it's just something that do people

3687
03:01:52,667 --> 03:01:54,100
have to sort of try to manage and.

3688
03:01:55,667 --> 03:01:57,667
And, you know, we do that in lots of other

3689
03:01:57,667 --> 03:01:59,533
places and, and I think, you know,

3690
03:02:00,667 --> 03:02:03,033
in some ways where we park is better situated because

3691
03:02:03,033 --> 03:02:03,433
there are.

3692
03:02:04,533 --> 03:02:07,033
You know, possibilities to expand parking, if that became a

3693
03:02:07,033 --> 03:02:09,767
need. Whereas a lot of the other, you know, places

3694
03:02:09,900 --> 03:02:11,000
you, you mentioned Doobie field.

3695
03:02:12,033 --> 03:02:14,033
There's no opportunity to expand parking there.

3696
03:02:15,300 --> 03:02:16,166
So I, I

3697
03:02:17,300 --> 03:02:20,000
would also support the approach of, of taking the sort

3698
03:02:20,000 --> 03:02:21,000
of wait and see approach on that.

3699
03:02:21,900 --> 03:02:24,000
Yeah, look, Barry. Please. Am I, my concern is, does,

3700
03:02:24,000 --> 03:02:26,433
would it make any sense to go to this compromised

3701
03:02:26,900 --> 03:02:29,000
position? It was suggested of just the nine holes.

3702
03:02:29,900 --> 03:02:32,667
Even the possible expansion, you know, built in or something

3703
03:02:33,033 --> 03:02:35,166
that way. I mean, I don't think the city's being

3704
03:02:35,166 --> 03:02:39,000
benefited by tournaments, for example, especially in that location, if

3705
03:02:39,000 --> 03:02:40,166
that's the reason for the 18 holes.

3706
03:02:41,000 --> 03:02:42,033
I haven't gotten the

3707
03:02:43,533 --> 03:02:45,100
the sense that it nine holes wouldn't work.

3708
03:02:46,100 --> 03:02:47,100
And I kind of wonder if that wouldn't be a

3709
03:02:47,100 --> 03:02:48,100
better way for the board to go.

3710
03:02:49,300 --> 03:02:52,767
So at least my experience, other outdoor facilities, when, when

3711
03:02:52,767 --> 03:02:54,900
you're playing with either, you know, your group of four

3712
03:02:54,900 --> 03:02:57,166
people, I think the, the timeframe like.

3713
03:02:58,000 --> 03:03:01,166
It is maybe within worst worth going somewhere else. If

3714
03:03:01,433 --> 03:03:02,000
you're not.

3715
03:03:02,900 --> 03:03:05,166
Gonna get the full experience like 18 holes.

3716
03:03:06,433 --> 03:03:09,033
I think it's a preference thing typically.

3717
03:03:11,300 --> 03:03:12,000
I'm not sure.

3718
03:03:13,000 --> 03:03:14,900
If there's a concrete yes or no, it'd be used

3719
03:03:14,900 --> 03:03:17,000
more. Right? It's it's very, I'm not saying I'm totally.

3720
03:03:18,100 --> 03:03:20,433
This is an absolute on my I'm just asking. I

3721
03:03:20,433 --> 03:03:22,433
throw, I get the question out to the board, essentially.

3722
03:03:23,533 --> 03:03:25,000
It seems like, you know, the be.

3723
03:03:25,900 --> 03:03:27,900
Obviously that's impact and everything else, a lot of the

3724
03:03:27,900 --> 03:03:31,033
concerns would be mitigated of the objectors. I mean, the

3725
03:03:31,033 --> 03:03:32,000
other thing I would just say just.

3726
03:03:32,900 --> 03:03:36,300
Sorry, Mr. Grant. I mean, the plan we had before

3727
03:03:36,300 --> 03:03:38,000
us is 18 holes. I don't, I don't think that

3728
03:03:38,000 --> 03:03:40,433
we can just unilaterally as a board say, well,

3729
03:03:41,533 --> 03:03:43,000
we're we're gonna approve a nine hole. No, I understand

3730
03:03:43,000 --> 03:03:44,033
that. So I think we.

3731
03:03:44,767 --> 03:03:45,533
We basically be saying

3732
03:03:47,033 --> 03:03:48,533
to the city go back to the drawing board.

3733
03:03:50,166 --> 03:03:53,033
But, you know, I think it sounds like it's the

3734
03:03:53,033 --> 03:03:54,100
case for all of us. None of us.

3735
03:03:55,033 --> 03:03:56,767
Are just golf players and, and I don't.

3736
03:03:57,900 --> 03:03:59,900
Don't you know, purport to sort of know what.

3737
03:04:00,767 --> 03:04:02,767
What the standard should be. Right. And.

3738
03:04:03,533 --> 03:04:05,667
You know, the testimony we've heard, you know, from people

3739
03:04:05,667 --> 03:04:06,000
tonight.

3740
03:04:07,100 --> 03:04:09,300
You're representing the city from, from the public.

3741
03:04:10,300 --> 03:04:12,000
As well as these, these people who design this course

3742
03:04:12,100 --> 03:04:12,533
is that.

3743
03:04:13,533 --> 03:04:14,900
Hey, if you want to have a successful course.

3744
03:04:15,900 --> 03:04:17,667
This is the way you design it with 18 holes.

3745
03:04:19,300 --> 03:04:21,767
And so I don't, I don't, I appreciate what you're

3746
03:04:21,767 --> 03:04:23,166
saying in terms of yeah. You know, if you had.

3747
03:04:24,000 --> 03:04:26,033
If it's half the size it's, you know, in theory,

3748
03:04:26,033 --> 03:04:26,767
half the impact.

3749
03:04:28,533 --> 03:04:30,533
But I, I guess I don't personally feel like I'm,

3750
03:04:30,900 --> 03:04:32,533
I I'm in a position to sort of second, guess

3751
03:04:32,533 --> 03:04:33,100
what the.

3752
03:04:34,000 --> 03:04:37,000
What the approach is in terms of 18 versus nine.

3753
03:04:38,767 --> 03:04:41,033
If Mr. Green, go ahead. I'll give an example that

3754
03:04:41,033 --> 03:04:43,166
I've seen. So like Hollis says a outdoor volleyball court

3755
03:04:43,300 --> 03:04:45,533
that's completed with backing nets and.

3756
03:04:46,433 --> 03:04:49,166
Stops for volleyballs and stuff. And Barack is closer to

3757
03:04:49,166 --> 03:04:50,433
me. I have seen.

3758
03:04:51,166 --> 03:04:53,166
One other group go there and Hollis has a very

3759
03:04:53,300 --> 03:04:54,667
robust community of people.

3760
03:05:01,266 --> 03:05:03,900
You're more likely to get community engagement because you can

3761
03:05:04,100 --> 03:05:06,467
get the full gambit of what you expect from the

3762
03:05:06,467 --> 03:05:06,700
sport.

3763
03:05:07,634 --> 03:05:11,233
Again, that's just anecdotal of what we're looking at, but

3764
03:05:11,634 --> 03:05:12,734
again, I would tend to.

3765
03:05:13,567 --> 03:05:15,266
Agree with some of the logic in 18 hole and

3766
03:05:15,266 --> 03:05:17,433
make more sense for a success of a.

3767
03:05:18,333 --> 03:05:21,300
The course, I, I guess I all to add onto

3768
03:05:21,300 --> 03:05:24,133
to that. I'm, I'm less concerned with how it's.

3769
03:05:25,033 --> 03:05:27,634
It's marketed. Like I, I, I personally wouldn't. Wouldn't.

3770
03:05:28,667 --> 03:05:30,133
Wouldn't it wouldn't affect my day-to-day if they had a

3771
03:05:30,133 --> 03:05:34,100
tournament there or, or, or not. Yeah. But if, if

3772
03:05:34,834 --> 03:05:37,433
again, to Mr. Barley's point, we have the plan that,

3773
03:05:37,433 --> 03:05:39,867
that is before us. I, I would've thought it had

3774
03:05:39,867 --> 03:05:42,000
there been some, some opportunity for compromise.

3775
03:05:44,033 --> 03:05:46,500
This is not the forum in which to do it.

3776
03:05:46,500 --> 03:05:49,233
Just because again, it's not up to us to sort

3777
03:05:49,233 --> 03:05:49,433
of.

3778
03:05:51,467 --> 03:05:52,367
Redesign a site plan.

3779
03:05:53,533 --> 03:05:55,300
So I, I, I, that's not.

3780
03:05:56,066 --> 03:05:58,233
To discredit that idea if it was thought of earlier,

3781
03:05:58,333 --> 03:06:00,233
but this, if this has been in the works for.

3782
03:06:01,233 --> 03:06:04,000
Several years now and has been vet by ZBA.

3783
03:06:05,033 --> 03:06:07,133
Not that we're reliant on their decision. It, it seems

3784
03:06:07,133 --> 03:06:09,700
like there has been some, some foresaw foresight.

3785
03:06:10,533 --> 03:06:12,433
So I, I, I think trying to throw that into

3786
03:06:12,433 --> 03:06:13,667
the 11th hour is not.

3787
03:06:15,900 --> 03:06:18,166
I appreciate the, the comment from the public, but I

3788
03:06:18,166 --> 03:06:21,133
just don't think it's necessarily up for us to adjudicate.

3789
03:06:21,133 --> 03:06:23,233
So, no, I, I understand that part. I just yeah.

3790
03:06:23,300 --> 03:06:25,133
Was asking the question. No, and.

3791
03:06:26,166 --> 03:06:29,367
Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't as, as a non-player I, I

3792
03:06:29,367 --> 03:06:32,367
couldn't tell you necessarily what the .

3793
03:06:37,634 --> 03:06:40,533
Any further, further discussion or, or comments?

3794
03:06:41,567 --> 03:06:46,467
Comments Mr. Green question for staff.

3795
03:06:48,066 --> 03:06:51,033
Is there a permitting process for reserving fields and for

3796
03:06:51,166 --> 03:06:53,634
termly type of use, I'm just not familiar with it.

3797
03:06:54,667 --> 03:06:57,133
This might not be the, the form to task that

3798
03:06:57,433 --> 03:07:00,700
I, I can't speak to D P W's plans to

3799
03:07:00,700 --> 03:07:01,100
operate.

3800
03:07:02,000 --> 03:07:05,433
But it is my understanding and, and I would defer

3801
03:07:05,500 --> 03:07:07,734
to anyone from D P w to speak. If I

3802
03:07:07,734 --> 03:07:10,033
get this wrong, I don't believe that there is any.

3803
03:07:11,133 --> 03:07:14,734
Reservation system planned where it's just free and open use.

3804
03:07:15,500 --> 03:07:19,900
To the public tournaments, maybe a completely different scenario as

3805
03:07:19,900 --> 03:07:21,300
Mr. Poland alluded to.

3806
03:07:22,834 --> 03:07:25,233
I'm seeing some head nos from that's correct. Dan Hudson

3807
03:07:25,367 --> 03:07:27,100
in the back. So that sounds right.

3808
03:07:29,166 --> 03:07:32,133
I, I did have one additional question for, for staff.

3809
03:07:33,433 --> 03:07:36,100
Is, is it commonplace with respect to the bond waiver?

3810
03:07:36,133 --> 03:07:39,000
Mm-hmm is it commonplace for city projects to not.

3811
03:07:40,066 --> 03:07:42,867
Bond themselves or so the, the reason we ask site

3812
03:07:42,900 --> 03:07:46,533
plans to host a bond, typically it's associated with the

3813
03:07:46,533 --> 03:07:48,533
improvements that they plan to execute.

3814
03:07:49,433 --> 03:07:51,700
Largely in the context of anything that's within the right

3815
03:07:51,700 --> 03:07:54,300
of way, essentially, you know, that is the city's domain.

3816
03:07:54,300 --> 03:07:57,133
If, if a private entity is coming and, and disturbing

3817
03:07:57,367 --> 03:07:58,367
the city's domain.

3818
03:07:59,300 --> 03:08:01,700
We want some sort of fiscal sureity to ensure that

3819
03:08:01,734 --> 03:08:04,100
that can be returned to a usable condition.

3820
03:08:04,834 --> 03:08:08,000
Now where the city is essentially beholden unto itself. Well,

3821
03:08:09,033 --> 03:08:11,367
the city is doing a project on city property. The

3822
03:08:11,367 --> 03:08:12,500
city wouldn't post a bond.

3823
03:08:13,433 --> 03:08:15,100
For its own project on its own property. It's.

3824
03:08:16,066 --> 03:08:19,000
It's the money's still within the city. So it wouldn't

3825
03:08:19,000 --> 03:08:21,300
make sense. Mm-hmm , it's not like we're asking to,

3826
03:08:21,767 --> 03:08:22,033
to.

3827
03:08:23,133 --> 03:08:25,300
Issue a bond, which would be an aldermanic action to

3828
03:08:25,300 --> 03:08:27,266
pay for the improvement. That's not what this is.

3829
03:08:29,166 --> 03:08:31,634
Appreciate the clarification, Sam. Thank you.

3830
03:08:34,367 --> 03:08:36,934
Hey barley. And just one other quick question for staff.

3831
03:08:37,767 --> 03:08:40,433
The, the staff report does title this as a site

3832
03:08:40,467 --> 03:08:41,166
plan amendment.

3833
03:08:42,166 --> 03:08:45,166
Yes. Is that just because the, of we are technically

3834
03:08:45,166 --> 03:08:48,033
amending the existing site plan for where we park for

3835
03:08:48,100 --> 03:08:50,934
whatever prior proves of made over time? That's correct. Yep.

3836
03:08:51,000 --> 03:08:51,734
Okay. Thank you.

3837
03:08:55,133 --> 03:08:56,433
Other questions of staff.

3838
03:08:57,233 --> 03:09:00,066
Or other comments, discussion items.

3839
03:09:04,066 --> 03:09:04,266
All right.

3840
03:09:05,867 --> 03:09:06,533
Seeing none.

3841
03:09:10,266 --> 03:09:12,467
Any, any board member is willing to make a motion.

3842
03:09:13,233 --> 03:09:17,233
But we, we do have three waiver requests related to

3843
03:09:17,233 --> 03:09:18,133
this application.

3844
03:09:20,233 --> 03:09:22,500
Obviously we would need to take action.

3845
03:09:23,500 --> 03:09:26,867
On those items first, any member of the board willing

3846
03:09:27,000 --> 03:09:27,033
to.

3847
03:09:28,667 --> 03:09:29,133
Consider a motion.

3848
03:09:30,166 --> 03:09:34,033
Regarding the three waivers applicable to this application.

3849
03:09:35,500 --> 03:09:36,634
Mr barley, please.

3850
03:09:37,567 --> 03:09:40,100
And Mr. Chair as to.

3851
03:09:40,834 --> 03:09:44,767
Case a 25 dash 0 34 site plan amendment.

3852
03:09:46,066 --> 03:09:46,700
For ropey park.

3853
03:09:47,900 --> 03:09:48,867
I would like to first.

3854
03:09:50,000 --> 03:09:52,300
Make a motion with respect to.

3855
03:09:53,767 --> 03:09:55,700
Three waiver requests that have been made.

3856
03:09:56,467 --> 03:10:00,367
By the applicant. The first such waiver request is from

3857
03:10:00,367 --> 03:10:02,767
section one 90 dash one 60.

3858
03:10:04,100 --> 03:10:07,767
To not be required to post a bond or escrow.

3859
03:10:10,166 --> 03:10:14,033
The second wave request is from one 90 dash 2 79

3860
03:10:14,166 --> 03:10:14,300
E.

3861
03:10:15,533 --> 03:10:18,500
Regarding submittal requirements to not provide the location of all

3862
03:10:18,500 --> 03:10:21,000
permanent monuments, property lines, or street lines.

3863
03:10:21,934 --> 03:10:23,734
Instead allow for a partial site survey.

3864
03:10:24,667 --> 03:10:27,867
And finally a waiver from section one 90 dash 2 79,

3865
03:10:28,066 --> 03:10:28,300
EE.

3866
03:10:29,433 --> 03:10:32,166
E against middle requirements to not provide survey information for

3867
03:10:32,166 --> 03:10:35,100
all properties within a thousand feet of the subject property.

3868
03:10:36,066 --> 03:10:38,033
And my motion would be to.

3869
03:10:39,100 --> 03:10:40,767
Grant all three of those waivers.

3870
03:10:42,000 --> 03:10:44,467
Waivers and it would be.

3871
03:10:45,433 --> 03:10:47,367
Based on the rationale.

3872
03:10:48,266 --> 03:10:51,100
Rationale provided by the applicant in the waiver request.

3873
03:10:51,900 --> 03:10:55,233
Letters submitted on March 20th, 2025.

3874
03:10:56,266 --> 03:10:58,433
And with findings that strict conformity.

3875
03:10:59,500 --> 03:11:00,767
Would pose an unnecessary hardship.

3876
03:11:01,767 --> 03:11:04,767
And that the specific circumstances or conditions of the land.

3877
03:11:05,767 --> 03:11:08,900
Would indicate that these three waivers can be granted.

3878
03:11:10,066 --> 03:11:13,033
While still properly carrying out the spirit intent of the

3879
03:11:13,033 --> 03:11:13,500
regulations.

3880
03:11:14,533 --> 03:11:17,900
Alright, thank you. Motion by Mr. Barley. Is there a

3881
03:11:17,900 --> 03:11:18,100
second?

3882
03:11:19,133 --> 03:11:19,867
Second by Mr. Green.

3883
03:11:21,233 --> 03:11:21,900
Any further discussion.

3884
03:11:23,500 --> 03:11:26,500
All those in favor. Aye. Motion passes.

3885
03:11:27,700 --> 03:11:30,100
Passes Mr. Riley, would you like to continue?

3886
03:11:31,834 --> 03:11:33,467
Absolutely. So

3887
03:11:34,333 --> 03:11:39,100
again, with respect to case a 25 dash 0 34 site

3888
03:11:39,100 --> 03:11:39,467
plan amendment.

3889
03:11:40,467 --> 03:11:44,033
For Robie park, I would like to then make a

3890
03:11:44,033 --> 03:11:44,100
motion.

3891
03:11:45,066 --> 03:11:47,033
To grant final site plan approval.

3892
03:11:49,066 --> 03:11:49,133
And

3893
03:11:50,734 --> 03:11:53,100
that motion would be with a finding that the site

3894
03:11:53,100 --> 03:11:56,233
plan amendment does meet the approval criteria outlined in section

3895
03:11:56,500 --> 03:11:59,033
one 90 dash 1 46 D.

3896
03:12:00,066 --> 03:12:02,533
And that final approval would include.

3897
03:12:04,000 --> 03:12:05,367
The subsequent conditions.

3898
03:12:06,333 --> 03:12:07,433
Identified in the staff report.

3899
03:12:08,667 --> 03:12:10,000
Letters a through L

3900
03:12:11,333 --> 03:12:13,467
thank you. Motion by Mr. Barley.

3901
03:12:14,333 --> 03:12:17,100
Is there a second. Second by Mr. Green. I do

3902
03:12:17,100 --> 03:12:18,300
have a question though. Oh,

3903
03:12:19,133 --> 03:12:20,300
any further discussion.

3904
03:12:21,433 --> 03:12:22,634
Mr. Green, please. Thank you.

3905
03:12:24,066 --> 03:12:25,433
The time of the

3906
03:12:26,166 --> 03:12:29,100
course is open 6:00 AM to 10:00 PM.

3907
03:12:30,000 --> 03:12:32,100
Would subsequent petition conditions, a.

3908
03:12:33,033 --> 03:12:34,367
Minor drafting corrections be able to.

3909
03:12:35,100 --> 03:12:37,000
To correct that. I just wanna put that on the

3910
03:12:37,000 --> 03:12:40,367
record. I mean, from my perspective, I think, yes, I

3911
03:12:40,367 --> 03:12:42,667
think they uncovered right. Bob. You agree?

3912
03:12:43,500 --> 03:12:45,700
I, I wouldn't, I would agree. And I don't know

3913
03:12:45,700 --> 03:12:47,133
if, if Mr. Hudson.

3914
03:12:48,066 --> 03:12:50,700
Can nod his head on that one, but yeah. Okay.

3915
03:12:51,634 --> 03:12:53,533
But no good point. Thank you. No problem.

3916
03:12:55,467 --> 03:12:56,266
Further discussion.

3917
03:12:58,533 --> 03:13:00,066
Alright, none.

3918
03:13:00,834 --> 03:13:03,500
All those in favor. Aye. Aye. Aye. Motion passes.

3919
03:13:12,667 --> 03:13:14,867
Moving on our agenda.

3920
03:13:19,700 --> 03:13:22,500
Stand back real quick. Stand back real quick. No, not

3921
03:13:22,500 --> 03:13:24,734
really. he's gone.

3922
03:13:25,767 --> 03:13:28,934
Thank you. Yeah. Thank you.

3923
03:13:35,033 --> 03:13:36,033
Let the room clear out.

3924
03:13:39,100 --> 03:13:40,533
Jim. Thank you very much. Quiet.

3925
03:13:51,367 --> 03:13:53,900
I'm sorry, we, we still have other business items today.

3926
03:13:53,900 --> 03:13:55,900
You're welcome to stay if you'd like to listen, but

3927
03:13:56,300 --> 03:13:57,166
we are gonna continue.

3928
03:14:02,533 --> 03:14:04,100
All right. Dan, Dan.

3929
03:14:04,834 --> 03:14:07,133
Hudson city engineer has rejoined us.

3930
03:14:10,166 --> 03:14:12,767
Next time on the agenda review of.

3931
03:14:13,767 --> 03:14:16,100
Tentative agenda projects and regional impact.

3932
03:14:17,300 --> 03:14:19,700
Has any member of the board had an opportunity to.

3933
03:14:20,467 --> 03:14:20,734
Review.

3934
03:14:23,266 --> 03:14:26,166
The future applications and is willing to make a motion

3935
03:14:26,233 --> 03:14:26,934
regarding.

3936
03:14:28,367 --> 03:14:32,133
Regional impair, Mr. Hudson, please. Mr. Chair, I have reviewed

3937
03:14:32,133 --> 03:14:33,700
the tentative agenda. I find.

3938
03:14:34,533 --> 03:14:36,934
No projects of regional significance.

3939
03:14:37,900 --> 03:14:39,033
All right, motion by Mr. Hudson.

3940
03:14:40,300 --> 03:14:41,100
Is there a second.

3941
03:14:42,166 --> 03:14:44,500
Second by Mr. Green, any further discussion.

3942
03:14:45,734 --> 03:14:48,667
All those in favor. Aye. Aye. Motion passes.

3943
03:14:50,000 --> 03:14:53,266
Passes. All right. Last item on the agenda under other

3944
03:14:53,533 --> 03:14:53,734
business.

3945
03:14:55,433 --> 03:14:56,467
For Sam.

3946
03:14:57,233 --> 03:14:59,266
Sam, how much of a deep dive do you

3947
03:14:59,266 --> 03:15:02,166
want to go into inclusionary zoning standards tonight? Because I

3948
03:15:02,166 --> 03:15:05,433
don't want to go into a deep dive. I wanna

3949
03:15:05,433 --> 03:15:08,033
provide a couple of updates. This is we've been working

3950
03:15:08,033 --> 03:15:08,467
on this.

3951
03:15:09,867 --> 03:15:12,000
Throughout this week, I will say.

3952
03:15:13,233 --> 03:15:15,033
You know, we, we took some direction. The last time

3953
03:15:15,033 --> 03:15:18,500
we talked about this in regards to incorporating the formula.

3954
03:15:19,300 --> 03:15:22,300
Into the document in which we have done. We've had

3955
03:15:22,300 --> 03:15:22,667
some.

3956
03:15:23,500 --> 03:15:28,100
Ongoing conversation about the regulation of household size.

3957
03:15:29,300 --> 03:15:34,900
Which has directly correlated to HUD AMI levels. And then

3958
03:15:35,000 --> 03:15:38,033
how that relates to how large of a house someone

3959
03:15:38,367 --> 03:15:39,000
can buy.

3960
03:15:40,100 --> 03:15:42,467
And we've kind of gone back and forth, back and

3961
03:15:42,467 --> 03:15:44,500
forth. And I think we actually we've come full circle,

3962
03:15:45,166 --> 03:15:47,467
you know, having taken issue with how it was originally

3963
03:15:47,467 --> 03:15:47,734
written.

3964
03:15:49,033 --> 03:15:50,000
And now kind of seeing.

3965
03:15:51,133 --> 03:15:53,166
Some of the, the faults in the logic of that

3966
03:15:53,533 --> 03:15:55,233
original issue that we took and kind of coming back

3967
03:15:55,233 --> 03:15:56,367
around to saying,

3968
03:15:57,433 --> 03:16:00,066
you know, you, you do get capped at how big

3969
03:16:00,066 --> 03:16:02,900
of a household you can buy. We did. We wanted

3970
03:16:02,900 --> 03:16:04,100
to pull away from.

3971
03:16:04,834 --> 03:16:07,233
Really caring about how many people were in a given

3972
03:16:07,300 --> 03:16:09,667
household, but because that is so.

3973
03:16:10,533 --> 03:16:14,133
Closely correlated to AMI. We really can't separate those two

3974
03:16:14,133 --> 03:16:14,467
issues.

3975
03:16:15,300 --> 03:16:17,634
Issues the problem being, you know, say you're a single

3976
03:16:17,634 --> 03:16:18,133
person.

3977
03:16:18,934 --> 03:16:21,433
Making 150% of AMI.

3978
03:16:22,734 --> 03:16:24,266
For a one bedroom.

3979
03:16:25,567 --> 03:16:28,367
Well, you might be making 80% AMI for a six

3980
03:16:28,367 --> 03:16:30,934
bedroom. Now, does that make you qualified to go by

3981
03:16:31,000 --> 03:16:31,700
a six bedroom?

3982
03:16:32,667 --> 03:16:33,500
You know, affordable house.

3983
03:16:34,934 --> 03:16:37,033
Probably not. We, we want to avoid that, that.

3984
03:16:38,333 --> 03:16:42,100
Essentially the, the gaming of the system. So with that

3985
03:16:42,133 --> 03:16:44,000
said, I think we still have some.

3986
03:16:44,834 --> 03:16:47,233
Slight amendments to make to the document to kind of

3987
03:16:47,233 --> 03:16:50,734
shore that up. But you have this newer version.

3988
03:16:51,500 --> 03:16:53,767
Before you you've had the opportunity to look at it.

3989
03:16:55,300 --> 03:16:58,000
Happy to take any, any questions as to, you know,

3990
03:16:58,033 --> 03:17:00,100
the document it's current form before you.

3991
03:17:01,300 --> 03:17:03,033
But I think it would be fair to say that

3992
03:17:03,033 --> 03:17:04,166
you can expect a.

3993
03:17:06,000 --> 03:17:09,433
A final document. If you will, final draft at the

3994
03:17:09,533 --> 03:17:10,533
May 15th meeting.

3995
03:17:13,500 --> 03:17:13,867
All right.

3996
03:17:15,000 --> 03:17:15,734
Questions for Sam.

3997
03:17:22,533 --> 03:17:27,300
Righty. Just taking a quick look ahead.

3998
03:17:29,867 --> 03:17:31,133
Sam is east Otterson.

3999
03:17:31,900 --> 03:17:34,033
Still go for the 15th, you think? Or are they

4000
03:17:34,033 --> 03:17:36,367
gonna need a little bit more still to be determined?

4001
03:17:36,533 --> 03:17:36,900
Okay.

4002
03:17:39,834 --> 03:17:42,500
And I guess for, for folks that that may not

4003
03:17:42,500 --> 03:17:42,900
have known.

4004
03:17:45,033 --> 03:17:45,233
Paket

4005
03:17:46,166 --> 03:17:48,700
is officially at a business at this point. So.

4006
03:17:49,834 --> 03:17:54,100
That's actually why the 55, a ible ible case got

4007
03:17:54,100 --> 03:17:54,700
continued tonight.

4008
03:17:56,066 --> 03:17:58,533
I don't know what's going on with their records or

4009
03:17:58,533 --> 03:18:01,867
their representation, but they were sort of a victim of

4010
03:18:01,867 --> 03:18:03,667
the circumstance. So.

4011
03:18:07,133 --> 03:18:09,166
So anyway, made her in pocket is, is no longer

4012
03:18:09,266 --> 03:18:10,033
a business. So.

4013
03:18:11,767 --> 03:18:13,900
Let's see, get around for a long time.

4014
03:18:16,567 --> 03:18:17,433
So I think

4015
03:18:19,033 --> 03:18:21,033
that was, that was all I had.

4016
03:18:21,767 --> 03:18:24,900
I just wanna make two other points. We have a,

4017
03:18:24,900 --> 03:18:27,767
we're working with plan, New Hampshire. They're a group that does

4018
03:18:28,033 --> 03:18:31,500
design charettes and, and other services for municipalities where we

4019
03:18:31,667 --> 03:18:34,000
actually have two events coming up with them in may

4020
03:18:34,634 --> 03:18:38,133
the nine 19th in combination, like I spring work workshop,

4021
03:18:38,000 --> 03:18:39,700
there'll be a panel discussion.

4022
03:18:40,166 --> 03:18:42,266
It's going to be on the third floor of the

4023
03:18:42,266 --> 03:18:43,133
center for the arts.

4024
03:18:43,900 --> 03:18:47,634
We'll have representatives from the real estate community. Dan Scanlan

4025
03:18:47,634 --> 03:18:50,133
is going to be a panelist. We also have someone

4026
03:18:50,166 --> 03:18:54,433
from GZA environmental, so geotechnical, Heather shank, the director of

4027
03:18:54,433 --> 03:18:56,300
the office of planning and development with the state will

4028
03:18:56,300 --> 03:18:59,667
also be speaking. And then Liz Hauer echo economic director

4029
03:18:59,900 --> 03:19:01,634
will be participating in the panels.

4030
03:19:02,000 --> 03:19:05,133
As well, talking about planning and developing in, in uncertain

4031
03:19:05,133 --> 03:19:08,000
times and how public private partnerships are so integral to

4032
03:19:08,000 --> 03:19:11,300
the success of projects now. And, and, and really in

4033
03:19:11,300 --> 03:19:13,000
light of, of current situations.

4034
03:19:14,133 --> 03:19:17,000
We will also then follow on with a walking tour

4035
03:19:17,300 --> 03:19:20,900
of some downtown sites. I really kind of building on

4036
03:19:20,900 --> 03:19:24,433
the discussion of the panel and then finishing at, at

4037
03:19:24,700 --> 03:19:27,000
rambling house for a kind of a social hour. And

4038
03:19:27,000 --> 03:19:29,700
that's on the ninth, 19th on the 30th and the

4039
03:19:29,700 --> 03:19:31,934
31st will be holding a char.

4040
03:19:32,066 --> 03:19:34,767
Charette for the Millard. There has been a lot going

4041
03:19:34,834 --> 03:19:37,133
on in the mill yard. There's a lot of planning

4042
03:19:37,000 --> 03:19:39,500
that is really needs to happen. And I think.

4043
03:19:40,467 --> 03:19:43,266
Utilizing plan new Hampshire's capabilities.

4044
03:19:44,266 --> 03:19:47,433
The technical abilities in bringing in a, a public process

4045
03:19:47,734 --> 03:19:51,667
with that charette and that visioning for the area is

4046
03:19:51,667 --> 03:19:54,000
really coming at a perfect time. As we're writing regulations

4047
03:19:54,033 --> 03:19:56,000
in the new land use code, you know, we're talking

4048
03:19:56,000 --> 03:19:58,233
about utilizing, you know, BIDA.

4049
03:19:59,300 --> 03:20:01,767
And, you know, redeveloping city property within the mill yard

4050
03:20:01,867 --> 03:20:04,133
and working with some of the people who already have

4051
03:20:04,133 --> 03:20:06,000
projects underway in the mill yard, it's really coming at

4052
03:20:06,000 --> 03:20:06,533
at a great time.

4053
03:20:07,367 --> 03:20:09,634
So just wanted to plug those two events.

4054
03:20:10,533 --> 03:20:12,367
Events and my final item, you may recall.

4055
03:20:13,667 --> 03:20:17,033
Voting to give Mr. Bollinger the authority to sign a

4056
03:20:17,033 --> 03:20:20,300
letter of support for a housing champions designation. We, we

4057
03:20:20,300 --> 03:20:23,033
did receive that designation while back, and, and as a

4058
03:20:23,166 --> 03:20:26,367
reminder that allowed us to apply for some competitive grant

4059
03:20:26,367 --> 03:20:29,634
funds. We sought funding for a.

4060
03:20:30,333 --> 03:20:34,166
Per unit award. So basically you can apply for about

4061
03:20:34,166 --> 03:20:38,700
$10,000 per unit that was marked as affordable at 60%

4062
03:20:38,900 --> 03:20:40,467
AMI, we submitted for the.

4063
03:20:41,634 --> 03:20:45,900
Monahan Manor project. And we were received an award and

4064
03:20:45,900 --> 03:20:47,533
went through the process with the alderman for first and

4065
03:20:47,533 --> 03:20:51,000
second reading last week for a total of $828,000.

4066
03:20:51,900 --> 03:20:55,033
That we will be putting into the housing revolving fund

4067
03:20:55,900 --> 03:20:56,000
for.

4068
03:20:57,233 --> 03:20:59,500
Future projects and, and, you know, housing planning adjacent.

4069
03:21:00,734 --> 03:21:03,100
Exercises so, so great news. And it was a bit

4070
03:21:03,100 --> 03:21:04,667
of a scramble to get all that in. And it

4071
03:21:04,667 --> 03:21:06,000
was, it was worth it.

4072
03:21:07,100 --> 03:21:08,433
Excellent. Thank you, Sam. Appreciate.

4073
03:21:09,767 --> 03:21:12,000
I guess a before, ask for a motion to adjourn.

4074
03:21:12,133 --> 03:21:14,667
I just, I appreciate everybody.

4075
03:21:15,500 --> 03:21:18,133
Kind of pushing through tonight. These ones were, there's gonna

4076
03:21:18,133 --> 03:21:20,133
be a lot, lot of public testimony. I, I know

4077
03:21:20,133 --> 03:21:22,266
those can go a, a number of different ways, but

4078
03:21:22,266 --> 03:21:24,000
I, I think overall folks did.

4079
03:21:25,934 --> 03:21:27,900
I, I think we've seen others that maybe didn't go

4080
03:21:28,266 --> 03:21:30,433
that, that smoothly way much better than I thought I

4081
03:21:30,433 --> 03:21:33,033
would. No, thank you. They're great. Thank you everybody. For,

4082
03:21:33,066 --> 03:21:34,033
for pulling through.

4083
03:21:35,333 --> 03:21:38,266
But that was, that was it. So we willing to

4084
03:21:38,266 --> 03:21:39,033
take a motion to adjourn.

4085
03:21:40,066 --> 03:21:44,100
Adjourn anyone, anyone? Mr. Chair. Ms. Harper, please.

4086
03:21:46,533 --> 03:21:48,900
I thought all the testimony was important by the way.

4087
03:21:49,300 --> 03:21:51,467
But Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion to

4088
03:21:51,467 --> 03:21:51,900
adjourn.

4089
03:21:53,033 --> 03:21:54,233
Adjourn. All right. All those in favor.

4090
03:21:55,100 --> 03:21:59,500
Aye. Aye. And we are adjourned at 10 22.