1 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:46,360 I'd 2 00:01:50,140 --> 00:01:56,380 like to call our town council meeting for August the 19th to order. Could we please stand 3 00:01:56,380 --> 00:01:57,280 for our pledge? 4 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:25,920 Let us pray, Heavenly Father, we just invite you into our meeting today and ask you to lead us in Goddess and share your wisdom with us as always. 5 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:31,840 And we also would like to thank you for the service of our Councilman, Xavier and Harrison. 6 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:38,520 And then we just lift his family up to you and ask that you envelop them with your precious love and your name we pray. 7 00:02:38,740 --> 00:02:38,980 Amen. 8 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:40,080 Thank you very much. 9 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:47,460 The first item on our agenda is the proven of the minutes or any corrections to those minutes. 10 00:02:47,460 --> 00:02:53,040 It's a little sorry I forgot to get in touch with you there was one on 11 00:02:55,340 --> 00:03:06,920 page 13 right in the middle of 7C council member Bill lump identified several provisions of the ordinance that she believed. 12 00:03:09,100 --> 00:03:10,920 I appreciate that. 13 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,300 I didn't see it. 14 00:03:15,300 --> 00:03:16,040 How do you do? 15 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:16,580 All right. 16 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:17,840 That's one. 17 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:19,680 Bill is going to find for sure. 18 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:22,740 Missed that one. 19 00:03:23,300 --> 00:03:24,640 Are there any other corrections? 20 00:03:25,780 --> 00:03:25,980 Yeah. 21 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:28,740 They're second. 22 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:29,280 Second. 23 00:03:29,620 --> 00:03:30,340 All those in favor? 24 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:31,700 Let it be known by saying on. 25 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,860 At this time, we have our public comments. 26 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,300 First is Larry Cockrole. 27 00:03:38,620 --> 00:03:40,400 Come in and just state your name. 28 00:03:40,660 --> 00:03:42,820 And that you live in Nashville or wherever. 29 00:03:42,820 --> 00:03:44,880 and you have three minutes. 30 00:03:45,420 --> 00:03:48,300 Secretary Park will go to the 5th East Trick Creek Nashville. 31 00:03:49,220 --> 00:03:53,640 Mayor Counsel, I purchased two of one East Church Street in 2017, 32 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,960 while still living in Raleigh. Since that time, I have had multiple complaints 33 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,140 from the Planning Department concerning this property. 34 00:04:00,860 --> 00:04:04,040 First complaint was in somewhere around 2018, 2019. 35 00:04:04,780 --> 00:04:07,560 This would be my first meeting with Mr. Lansing and Mr. Lucas. 36 00:04:08,380 --> 00:04:11,920 At that meeting in Town Hall, I raised the issue of trespassing on the property 37 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:21,760 due to photographs that were taken on the property exhibiting angles, not visible from a public street, sidewalk or walkway, indicating deep entry into the property. 38 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:32,180 At that meeting, I requested that I be notified in the future if any access to the property was necessary and that I would be happy to meet and accompany anyone on to the property. 39 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:41,900 Since that time, there have been four more complaints from the town concerning the property, of which letters have been received from the town, with pictures exhibiting angles in view. 40 00:04:41,900 --> 00:04:48,460 not accessible from the public street, sidewalk or walkway, indicating deep entry onto the property. 41 00:04:49,100 --> 00:04:55,440 Each of these four complaints resulted in meetings at town hall in which I re-enerated at each meeting to either Mr. Lucas, 42 00:04:56,100 --> 00:04:59,760 now Ms. Jones, or both that trespassing had occurred. 43 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:29,360 And previously to request access to the property prior to their entering the saying. This past week, Friday to 14th of August, I received a fifth letter, along with pictures attached, exhibiting angles and views, not accessible from a public street sidewalk or walkway indicating deep entry on to the property. This has not become obvious to me that the revocation of my access in previous meetings on multiple occasions has and will not be honored since my first meeting. 44 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:37,280 in 2018 or 19. I have never received one phone call, email, or letter requesting an appointment 45 00:05:37,690 --> 00:05:44,080 or my presence to escort anyone from the town on to 201 East Church Street prior to entry 46 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:50,280 since specifically requesting that they do so. As my only recourse, I am lodging a formal 47 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:54,900 complaint of violation of my Fourth Amendment rights and violations of North Carolina State 48 00:05:54,900 --> 00:06:04,640 statute. Mayor, Mr. Lacy, Lou, and Mr. Lucas. You have been notified. I 49 00:06:11,170 --> 00:06:11,670 hope you're happy 50 00:06:11,670 --> 00:06:16,990 to answer any questions that you may have at a later date. Thank you. Nancy West. 51 00:06:23,220 --> 00:06:30,400 Nancy West, nice for graphic. One question, um, Nash County has installed Narcan distribution 52 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:35,200 at all libraries in the county, except for Cooley Library. 53 00:06:35,780 --> 00:06:41,480 So I wanted to know if the town plan to also allow installation outside the library. 54 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,800 I don't have an answer, but I'll find one for you. Anybody have an answer here? 55 00:06:49,860 --> 00:06:54,260 Well Nancy, it was talked about with staff and council members individually 56 00:06:54,860 --> 00:07:01,080 and decided that we didn't want to have a Narcan distribution box at this library, 57 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:08,000 this facility. We wanted to make sure that it remained a safe haven for our children and our patrons 58 00:07:08,850 --> 00:07:15,940 and having a narcan box here and available. There was concerns that it would bring 59 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,820 individuals that wouldn't be perceived well at this facility. 60 00:07:22,820 --> 00:07:30,980 Is there, um, has the town thought about another place possibly within town limits to put it? 61 00:07:31,300 --> 00:07:39,160 Yeah, we offered the police fire station at 501 South Foreign Street to Nash County for placement of it. 62 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,160 We also have the county courthouse to see. 63 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:41,340 Right. 64 00:07:41,580 --> 00:07:42,160 A great place. 65 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:43,840 Okay. 66 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:45,680 Did somebody ask them about that too? 67 00:07:46,460 --> 00:07:47,420 I don't know yet. 68 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,120 I don't know about the courthouse. 69 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,320 but we offered to the PD fire station. 70 00:07:53,820 --> 00:07:54,940 Okay, thanks. 71 00:07:58,110 --> 00:07:58,830 Thank you. 72 00:07:59,150 --> 00:08:04,610 And the next item on our agenda is the sewer manhole ceiling project. 73 00:08:06,070 --> 00:08:06,550 Randy? 74 00:08:07,550 --> 00:08:13,190 Yes, Mayor and Council, recently, you know, we did the, we have Matt Gaines associates do 75 00:08:13,190 --> 00:08:16,630 the asset inventory assessment for both our water and sewer. 76 00:08:17,210 --> 00:08:21,010 When they did the sewer, they popped all the manholes in the system. 77 00:08:21,010 --> 00:08:30,070 checked them for leaks, infiltration, and found about 700 of them that had some form of infiltration. 78 00:08:30,950 --> 00:08:33,830 And then we set out on a program to seal those. 79 00:08:35,230 --> 00:08:50,090 Early on, when this was discovered, Mike Tulson with McAnne Associates had put in to the DWI Division of Water Infrastructure with the state of North Carolina for an application for funding. 80 00:08:50,090 --> 00:08:52,990 I mean, I'm sorry, I'm on the wrong one here. 81 00:08:53,850 --> 00:08:57,270 So similar. 82 00:08:57,830 --> 00:08:58,830 They're confusing. 83 00:08:59,150 --> 00:08:59,310 Yep. 84 00:09:00,030 --> 00:09:02,550 So we bid out the ceiling of those. 85 00:09:03,050 --> 00:09:07,170 Mike Tulson did for us after he came up with plans and specifications for 86 00:09:07,170 --> 00:09:09,090 the interior ceiling and the manholes. 87 00:09:09,090 --> 00:09:12,830 We got three bids, CTR coatings and 88 00:09:12,830 --> 00:09:19,530 Axwell advanced rehabilitation technologies from Ohio and Carolina lift stations from 89 00:09:19,530 --> 00:09:37,510 from New York, South Carolina, and then applying the low bid to our 700 manholes at the unit price that they bid resulted in a project cost of $1,505,000 approximately. 90 00:09:38,490 --> 00:09:46,750 And the town was awarded $1.5 million from Nash County through their direct appropriation that $17.5 million. 91 00:09:46,750 --> 00:09:53,570 and then we signed that inter-local agreement for that, and at this time Mackie and Associates 92 00:09:53,570 --> 00:09:57,990 and town staff is recommending the Council Award to contract the CT. 93 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Or their unit price of $2,147 per linear foot to seal approximately 700 manholes in our sewer system. And we do have Mike Tolson, our engineer here with us. If you have any questions for him about that. Councillor, do you have any questions? Right now, I guess I'm confused also. I thought we've already had a project going on seeing these manholes. We do. I thought we used that same money. Yes. 94 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:40,200 And that contract, we had extended a contract to CTR coding for $150,000 worth of manhole ceiling for three years, for a total of $450. 95 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:43,400 This includes that. 96 00:10:44,060 --> 00:10:56,420 What we had found when we submitted our reimbursements to NCDEQ to draw down on our asset inventory assessment is they wanted to see a formal bid lighting on it. 97 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,640 We kind of start this project from the wrong end, I think. 98 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,860 I mean, we approached it as a maintenance contract, whereby we didn't have to have plants 99 00:11:05,860 --> 00:11:06,460 and specifications. 100 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:11,400 I mean, it's like asphalt in the street, you call the asphalt company, they know exactly 101 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,280 what to do, you specify what makes you want, and that's about it. 102 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,400 And but no, they wanted detailed plants and specifications, so Mac and associates put 103 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:25,540 those together, then they wanted to see a formal bidletting, competitive one, so we did that, 104 00:11:25,540 --> 00:11:35,400 which was really tough to do when you're doing a proprietary project, I mean this polymer polyurethane coating 105 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,080 that they're putting in the manholes is proprietary. 106 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:44,840 You can only get it from authorized dealers that the manufacturer has authorized to install it. 107 00:11:45,340 --> 00:11:50,360 So that's why you see some of the bids are from Tennessee and Ohio and New York. 108 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:57,780 Anyway, the 450,000 contract we have with CTR coding in our underway are ready, would 109 00:11:57,780 --> 00:12:01,020 be included in this expanded contract lending. 110 00:12:01,660 --> 00:12:02,140 Okay. 111 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,820 So this isn't included in the 100, 100, 1 million back then. 112 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:07,200 Yes, it will be. 113 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:12,180 But I thought we already authorized 1.5 million from the county to do this exact same thing 114 00:12:12,180 --> 00:12:12,980 a year ago. 115 00:12:13,540 --> 00:12:19,180 We did with our execution of that interlocal agreement, but it wasn't the documentation 116 00:12:19,180 --> 00:12:25,600 that the DWI wanted or needed, this is, it might, maybe you can expand that. 117 00:12:26,060 --> 00:12:28,420 We're doing the same work, we just got to get the paperwork. 118 00:12:28,780 --> 00:12:33,460 This is back in paperwork to basically make people of the state happy with the interlocal 119 00:12:33,460 --> 00:12:34,740 agreement that you did with the county. 120 00:12:35,180 --> 00:12:37,200 It's still the same pull of money. 121 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:43,860 It's just they have a process and a checklist, and if you don't have every little check on that box, 122 00:12:44,020 --> 00:12:47,500 and that's what we're just doing, the paperwork on the back in, and unfortunately, 123 00:12:47,500 --> 00:12:52,400 they just drug it to this point where we've got to have you guys approve 124 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:57,280 something that's a already in the works and I'll tell Randy and I told 125 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:03,760 Randy several times it is not uncommon that they have we need one more thing 126 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,140 we're about to finish the project and you're telling me you can't you know 127 00:13:07,140 --> 00:13:11,900 so we're just alright and so it's unfortunate but it is what it is at that 128 00:13:11,900 --> 00:13:16,680 you know just trying to get the paperwork together how far along are we in it so 129 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:27,720 So I can't remember the exact number of manholes that we've done, but it's, you know, in the couple hundred range of manholes, I believe, from the list I saw the other day. 130 00:13:28,060 --> 00:13:31,640 We're updating your information, getting ready for your audit. 131 00:13:31,940 --> 00:13:38,040 So, and we have not been day to day involved in it, but just trying to help you guys get the paperwork in place that you need. 132 00:13:39,220 --> 00:13:45,460 But moving along quite well, I would imagine you've seen some improvements in your infiltration 133 00:13:45,460 --> 00:13:52,220 and your numbers, of course, been dry summer, relatively, so I don't know if you've seen 134 00:13:52,220 --> 00:13:57,140 the effect of it, but it will pay dividends over time for sure, which is kind of a good segue 135 00:13:57,140 --> 00:14:00,280 into the next thing we're going to talk about, that I'm here to talk about too. 136 00:14:00,740 --> 00:14:02,480 So we're 25% to 30% into it. 137 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,480 I would say that's probably about right. 138 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:12,260 You're probably almost two years into the contract, but yes, I mean this is 139 00:14:12,260 --> 00:14:15,540 getting you basically what you've been paying out of enterprise, getting you 140 00:14:15,540 --> 00:14:18,400 reimbursed for some of the stuff you've already thrown in on things like that. 141 00:14:19,340 --> 00:14:20,920 Do you want to make a castle? 142 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,320 240 is the last number that I've got, so we're 240 in to this project right now. 143 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:31,900 Well, I'm just thrilled and thankful that we are finally attacking our infrastructure, so 144 00:14:31,900 --> 00:14:37,540 So our citizens won't keep running into all these problems, so I'm very grateful for 145 00:14:37,540 --> 00:14:38,260 what we're doing. 146 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,960 We're eating this elephant a bite at a time, but I'm glad we're getting things straight 147 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,520 now because it was just, it needed it desperately. 148 00:14:46,620 --> 00:14:50,620 Are we like three or four years left at the time line or? 149 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:56,160 I think that once this gets cleared up and you can see that the money is coming back in 150 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,120 from the state to reimburse you for... 151 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:29,680 You can probably wrap up in a year. It really comes down to it, because it's, you know, you kind of get, okay, we're paying out a lot. We'd like to see some money coming back in for what we've been paying out as far as that goes with the agreement. And so I would say that you, I wouldn't say you slowed down the contractor, but being hesitant and being frugal with, you know, the funds you're funding for them, and this will allow the funds to come back in and get that contract food. And those guys, you know, they'll come back in here and hit 152 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,040 you know, a hundred manholes a month or two, you know, at a time. 153 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:33,880 So, that's great. 154 00:15:33,980 --> 00:15:35,380 It moves fast when it needs to. 155 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,400 So, the contractor on Tennessee is the one that's been doing the work, does fall on the 156 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:39,660 east. 157 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:40,740 We'll continue. 158 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:41,400 Yes, sir. 159 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,740 And they, you know, they're good. 160 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:44,640 They've been doing good work. 161 00:15:44,860 --> 00:15:49,160 They run out of, that's where their headquarters are on Tennessee, but they've got crews that 162 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:50,180 they run all over North Carolina. 163 00:15:51,100 --> 00:15:52,580 And you're pleased with what they did? 164 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:53,320 Oh, yes, ma'am. 165 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:59,320 I recommend them everywhere because we, it's the best product I've seen to use to seal 166 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:06,480 manholes, and it comes with a 10-year warranty that you don't have to touch them for 10 years 167 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,580 other than your typical tie-ins and inspections and things like that. 168 00:16:11,060 --> 00:16:17,100 It just has been very, very beneficial to all the systems we've recommended in the end. 169 00:16:17,180 --> 00:16:21,140 I've got towns that we've done the entire town end, and they've got their infiltration 170 00:16:21,140 --> 00:16:24,500 down to about 15% where it was at 85%. 171 00:16:24,500 --> 00:16:25,220 That's great. 172 00:16:27,460 --> 00:16:28,000 That's good. 173 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,000 Oh yeah, it's a 50-year project. 174 00:16:30,020 --> 00:16:30,260 Okay. 175 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,100 You know how they move a lot of money. 176 00:16:32,540 --> 00:16:35,780 It's typical epoxy coating that goes in there. 177 00:16:35,900 --> 00:16:37,060 They'll give you a two-year warranty 178 00:16:37,060 --> 00:16:38,840 and I've seen that flake off within a year. 179 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,440 This stuff I have seen them go back in a couple of years later 180 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,240 to fix something that had been scratched or messed up 181 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,700 in a manhole and literally pull the casting off 182 00:16:49,700 --> 00:16:52,980 because it was attached to it so hard that they could pull it 183 00:16:52,980 --> 00:16:54,200 would pull the casting off with. 184 00:16:54,200 --> 00:17:02,980 It's a very, it's like a truck bedliner for the inside of the manholes, it seals everything up and gets the leaks fixed. 185 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,940 You got a lot of brick manholes, and that's why we use it so. 186 00:17:06,420 --> 00:17:07,740 Thank you. Any more questions? 187 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:08,940 Thanks for the conversation. 188 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:22,860 Yeah. If not, do I hear a motion to approve resolution 2026-26 awarding a manhole ceiling contract, the CTR codeings for the ceiling of the 700 sanitary sewer manholes, 189 00:17:22,860 --> 00:17:28,000 not do it to see a $1,500,000 suit. 190 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,420 All those in favor let it be known by saying aye. 191 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,060 The next item is the DWI loan offer 192 00:17:35,060 --> 00:17:37,820 for the sewer rehab rehabilitation. 193 00:17:39,580 --> 00:17:42,380 Mayor and council, the town received a letter 194 00:17:42,380 --> 00:17:47,940 from the Division of Water Infrastructure 195 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,180 saying that if we wanted to, 196 00:17:51,180 --> 00:18:01,960 We have a $3 million loan offered to us by DWI for 2.45% interest for 20 years that we could do sewer rehabilitation work with. 197 00:18:02,780 --> 00:18:05,760 And what that means is we clean and 198 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:17,420 televised approximately 51,000 feet of 8 inch verified clay sewer pipe that's in our sanitation in our sanitary sewer collection system. 199 00:18:17,420 --> 00:18:21,960 We had identified damage and bad sections of pipe that need to be repaired. 200 00:18:22,620 --> 00:18:28,440 And then we would go ahead and have those repaired, point repaired, or a slip lining to seal them up. 201 00:18:28,980 --> 00:18:33,980 And that type of project is called the Fix and Find Sewer Repair Project. 202 00:18:34,220 --> 00:18:42,020 So Mike Tulson with MacGain Associates had submitted this to DWI a couple of years back. 203 00:18:42,020 --> 00:18:46,420 the first two rounds of funding, we weren't awarded anything. 204 00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:50,700 The spring of this year, they made this offer to us. 205 00:18:51,540 --> 00:18:54,700 So the question comes back to the council. 206 00:18:55,500 --> 00:19:02,800 Does the town want to accept the $3 million low interest loan to do a fine and repair sewer project? 207 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,760 Or do we want to pass on it? 208 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:17,560 But the annual loan would, on the full $3 million at the 2.45% interest would have an annual payment of about $190,640. 209 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:26,860 And I put the amortization schedule in the packet along with the letter of offer on the loan. 210 00:19:26,860 --> 00:19:33,340 And we have Mike Tulson here, along with our Public Works Director, Jason Glover. 211 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:40,280 He talked about the pros and cons of doing one large project at one time to get it all 212 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:46,100 sealed up versus doing parts and pieces of this with our own funds, so to speak, as we 213 00:19:46,100 --> 00:19:46,860 go over time. 214 00:19:47,780 --> 00:19:48,860 Talk to us. 215 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,480 So the original application was for $7.5 million. 216 00:19:54,780 --> 00:19:58,080 The way the scoring structures and things like that. 217 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:29,980 The DWI wind up offering you in this round. This was a reconsideration of a previous application. We did not put in that round for it. And I was very surprised to see any offer whatsoever come in for it. And as I tell most towns that we deal with when there's, you know, $3 million is nothing to, you know, is nothing to laugh at as far as an expense and everything else, but it is alone. And, you know, it is 218 00:20:29,980 --> 00:20:36,160 is incredibly generous for them to offer it, but at the same time, it will get a $3 million 219 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,640 slug of what we had anticipated was $7.5 million worth of capital work. 220 00:20:40,820 --> 00:20:42,060 So it won't get it all. 221 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:49,420 It will get a very large chunk of it, and what we want to find is, you spend quite a bit 222 00:20:49,420 --> 00:20:53,960 of money on the front end trying to get 80% of the problem mixed up and then you fixed, 223 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:59,500 and then you wind up having 20% of the problem left, and you could spend three times as much 224 00:20:59,500 --> 00:21:06,260 money chasing that last 20 percent. But you haven't had a significant clean and 225 00:21:06,260 --> 00:21:12,080 TV and find and fix type project like this in your town and this is since I've 226 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,680 been coming to you and talking to you about sewer rehab and everything else. 227 00:21:15,980 --> 00:21:19,240 This is the first funding we've really gotten back that's going to be sewer 228 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:24,380 rehab related, looking at the mains, looking at the lines, fixing what we can. 229 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:28,040 We've 230 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,560 video that was done as part of the AIA that we just did that we could go and fix the 231 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:37,060 problems we found in that. We couldn't fix them with the AIA money. We could turn around 232 00:21:37,060 --> 00:21:44,420 and use this to fix those problems immediately and not do 51,000 feet of video and do 20,000 233 00:21:44,420 --> 00:21:49,560 feet somewhere else and search somewhere else in the thing. We did about 25,000 to 30,000 234 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:57,040 feet in the AIA of video. We've got those data and we know what we need to fix out of that. 235 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:03,100 that, you can use these funds to fix those problems and you can fix those today. 236 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:10,740 The real report out of that is that we didn't find terrible smoking guns anywhere where 237 00:22:10,740 --> 00:22:15,260 we found, oh there's 50 gallons a minute leak, 10 gallons a minute leak, it was a few 238 00:22:15,260 --> 00:22:21,780 roots here, a few broken, you know, but it's in sewer rehab, the name of the game is death 239 00:22:21,780 --> 00:22:22,560 by a thousand cuts. 240 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,740 You've got a gallon here, you've got a gallon here, you've got five gallons of leak here and 241 00:22:26,740 --> 00:22:31,200 those add up and those are what's coming into your system and robbing you of capacity. 242 00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:41,660 So to say, going after it with $3 million worth of work is very worth it, what we discussed 243 00:22:41,660 --> 00:22:47,240 in our, you know, hey, is it better to just commit $200,000 a year, which is what your annual 244 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:52,980 debt payment would be on it, to go ahead and plan $200,000 a year worth of capital improvement 245 00:22:52,980 --> 00:22:58,160 work and slow roll it, you'd be at the same amount. You wouldn't get the benefit of having 246 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:05,700 those leaks fixed today versus doing 120th, 120th, 120th, you know, every year that you 247 00:23:05,700 --> 00:23:11,660 did it. And what I have found in municipal budgeting and everything else is that if you 248 00:23:11,660 --> 00:23:17,740 have a $200,000 line item that you are reserving for CAP for sewer rehab each year, the minute 249 00:23:17,740 --> 00:23:22,580 one pump station goes down, that $200,000 gets you inked because, well, you're not going 250 00:23:22,580 --> 00:23:27,380 don't get any sooner you have this year because of this, this at least gets it fixed and 251 00:23:27,380 --> 00:23:31,140 you have a debt commitment that you're paying and you fix the problem of the day it gives 252 00:23:31,140 --> 00:23:36,400 you the savings today and it keeps you not that any of you guys would make any bad budget 253 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:43,400 decisions but you may wind up having to take that $200,000 a year back for a punctuation 254 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:48,400 that goes bad or this is not there and it's not fixing a problem that you can fix today 255 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,740 versus still having it in five years, 10 years, 20 years. 256 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,320 And so it's really a choice of whether or not 257 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,000 you want to accept the debt capacity. 258 00:23:57,580 --> 00:23:59,820 The work needs to be done one way or another, 259 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,820 is my opinion and my recommendation to you. 260 00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:08,260 It's how you guys want to shake the budget and debt capacity 261 00:24:08,260 --> 00:24:09,560 that you're looking at. 262 00:24:10,060 --> 00:24:15,160 And we can continue to apply for sewer rehab projects 263 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,260 and future applications. 264 00:24:16,260 --> 00:24:22,920 That is what I do for a living, but at the same time, you've got this offer on the table that you just need to consider the financial. 265 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,980 Does any of this money ever come as a grant? 266 00:24:26,580 --> 00:24:32,900 It does. And that's why it's unfortunate. This came in, this was only going to be a $3 million loan from this. 267 00:24:33,140 --> 00:24:37,640 We had applied for it to be a grant. This is just the, this is the offer they made. 268 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:44,180 Now, we could turn around and you could deny this money and we could reapply, but you've got $3 million sitting there waiting 269 00:24:44,180 --> 00:24:47,500 somebody's offering you, but it's got payment and it's got terms. 270 00:24:47,860 --> 00:24:52,620 Well, if we decided to go with this, can we still write a grant for the rest? 271 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,640 That's where you could certainly apply for the plan. 272 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:55,500 A plan, that's what I mean. 273 00:24:55,940 --> 00:24:58,120 And you know, this is not going to be a problem. 274 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:28,160 We put $3 million at the day and it's never, you're going to have to, every year, you're going to have to pay attention to, you know, able, getting some creep on our, on our infiltration, we need to go and do some sewer rehab, you know, you, you just need a routine and an asset management strategy of finding fixed TV. I mean, it's always going to be, I'll be back in five years with another one. If we, you know, if we did it all day, I'd still be back in five years. Well, the ones we didn't fix five years ago, we need to go TV them and look at them and see how it's going. 275 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,040 So, does this decrease our chances of obtaining that grant? 276 00:25:32,140 --> 00:25:33,520 Yeah, that's what I was wondering, right? 277 00:25:33,620 --> 00:25:36,480 You know, I don't think it would decrease it. 278 00:25:36,780 --> 00:25:41,980 I've got towns that I have reapplied, I've gotten it funded with a loan and turned around 279 00:25:41,980 --> 00:25:46,440 and reapplied again and gotten it as a grant the next time and you just formally deny the loan 280 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:46,780 port. 281 00:25:47,140 --> 00:25:52,140 The reason this came about was they sent the letters of intent to fund and they were asking 282 00:25:52,140 --> 00:25:57,340 us, hey, when's your ER due, because the next process is to do an engineering report 283 00:25:57,340 --> 00:26:00,400 award and to do all the things that come with procurement and everything else. 284 00:26:01,180 --> 00:26:04,720 And so they were calling and saying, hey, I hadn't seen you ER yet, their lines are coming 285 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:04,920 up. 286 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,400 Do we need to, you know, what have you decided to do? 287 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,780 And they were just trying to get you guys to make a decision on what you were going to do 288 00:26:11,780 --> 00:26:12,780 with the funds and stuff. 289 00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:17,440 So when it comes, when it comes right down to it, you still need to do the work, it's just 290 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,200 you guys decide how you want to, you know, how you want to pay for it in the long term. 291 00:26:21,740 --> 00:26:27,200 Three million dollars today would make a large, you know, inroads to fixing a lot of infiltration 292 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:33,460 And it would save you money on your downstream treatment, you know, bill like you typically have. 293 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:37,540 Which that would reflect in this for the citizens, wouldn't it? 294 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:43,460 It would, of course, and you would see, you know, hopefully fewer costs and you wouldn't have your 295 00:26:43,460 --> 00:26:46,580 order and super fun and a stretch with, you know, having to come up with search 296 00:26:46,580 --> 00:26:51,360 orders or anything like that as much, but I can't tell you that it's going to fix all the problems. 297 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,700 And the numbers that are in that description of the 51,000 are based on that seven and a half 298 00:26:56,700 --> 00:27:01,740 million dollar application so they gave you half of what they way to ask for or for 299 00:27:01,740 --> 00:27:06,520 for you still do the $7.5 million worth of work. So in other words, they didn't give you 300 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,920 everything you needed but they gave you what they could give you. 301 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:17,180 So if we do the $3 million and we owe $190,000 plus per year, do we have a projection on what 302 00:27:17,180 --> 00:27:18,680 the annual savings would be? 303 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:25,360 I have not run that, and I just need to run those different numbers on it. 304 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,980 I need to look at what you're currently seeing so charge-wise. 305 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,540 You've also got that manhole ceiling project that's fixing problems from a different angle, 306 00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:38,420 so it's a hard moving draw. 307 00:27:38,420 --> 00:27:42,120 We can put all of those buckets together, as long as we're receiving enough savings to cover it, 308 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,020 I think it's a no-brainer. 309 00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:49,000 Well, I need to run those numbers with the finance folks and everything to see, hey, 310 00:27:49,180 --> 00:27:57,140 what are you seeing while problems today, fixed today, will give you 20 years until 311 00:27:57,140 --> 00:28:02,160 they're possibly a problem again in 20 years, because you have things just there deteriorating 312 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,240 assets kind of thing. 313 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:09,480 I would say that the more fixes we can do today, the longer term, you get more savings, 314 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:10,860 you know, long term. 315 00:28:10,860 --> 00:28:16,060 So if it doesn't make sense, I just don't know if it can exactly correlate to $190,000 worth of. 316 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:23,580 I may ask the question a different way, maybe it makes, so if we took what you've seen and spent three 317 00:28:23,580 --> 00:28:27,540 million on what you've seen, do you have an estimate of what would save us per month or per year? 318 00:28:29,940 --> 00:28:36,200 Not as it correlates over to your, I've had to check some numbers before I told you a real savings 319 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,720 number, but we can get that. I can, you know, I just don't have it prepared for. 320 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,780 What is this answer to? 321 00:28:43,550 --> 00:28:45,750 Well, like Mike said, we put it off. 322 00:28:45,930 --> 00:28:48,330 This letter came in April of 2021, 323 00:28:48,350 --> 00:28:50,090 and they wanted to know in 30 days. 324 00:28:50,610 --> 00:28:51,710 I'm sorry, 26. 325 00:28:52,210 --> 00:28:54,730 And they wanted to know in 30 days. 326 00:28:55,370 --> 00:28:57,230 And we hadn't done anything with it. 327 00:28:57,410 --> 00:29:02,410 So what Mike and I have told them 328 00:29:02,410 --> 00:29:03,950 is that we were having the meeting today 329 00:29:03,950 --> 00:29:04,930 and discussing it. 330 00:29:05,310 --> 00:29:07,530 And we would get back to them very shortly after that. 331 00:29:07,530 --> 00:29:10,530 Well, I'm asked another question that Kate Burns asked, but different way. 332 00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:16,870 Are our points be deducted if we take this on our future grants for the same project? 333 00:29:17,010 --> 00:29:17,790 No, no. 334 00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:19,710 Each application stands on its own. 335 00:29:19,850 --> 00:29:21,830 This was, like I said, this was a reconsideration. 336 00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:27,090 When you turn one in, you get two shots at, essentially, is what they look at it this way and 337 00:29:27,090 --> 00:29:31,350 you either don't get it in this round and they put that same scoring back into the next 338 00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:32,030 consideration. 339 00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:35,750 So I don't necessarily follow up with them when we don't get it. 340 00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:41,430 And then all of a sudden I'm happily surprised when we find out that we can call you and say hey, they funded this project 341 00:29:42,390 --> 00:29:47,290 This is the first one I've ever had that came back and they only funded half of it or a 342 00:29:47,810 --> 00:29:49,350 $3 million dollar amount which is 343 00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:58,050 Three million is the most they could offer you with the kind of utility that you all versus this versus not being viable utility not have 344 00:30:00,140 --> 00:30:29,300 So with that said, you know, the cost per savings, Jason's got some data. He's going to send me that I can help figure that part out. As far as having a decision made, all we really need to do is if you want to continue to consider this, is I can put out requests into the state that your deadlines be moved out and your milestones be moved out and say we're going through some numbers that they were perfectly fine with us, you know, taking it to this meeting today. 345 00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:34,080 And I'm going to have to go and do that anyway because your PER for what was due Monday 346 00:30:34,660 --> 00:30:39,940 So if but that was up, you know, hey, they give you a very short trigger on hey, you know 347 00:30:39,940 --> 00:30:46,580 That's not enough time for you to procure an engineer for you to actually write a PDR for you to actually get something 348 00:30:46,580 --> 00:30:51,560 Turned in for them to consider and then once you turn it in in August, they'll have you 349 00:30:53,060 --> 00:30:58,720 Hopefully some comments and everything back in January this year was your next milestone going so you know 350 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,220 So, not like they're moving real fast up there, so a few months delay here and there, we 351 00:31:03,220 --> 00:31:05,400 just let them know what's going on and keep them surprised. 352 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,700 They'll be fine with that, where they're required. 353 00:31:07,940 --> 00:31:11,580 I haven't seen, no matter if I think they're ready to get very quick results when we've had 354 00:31:11,580 --> 00:31:17,160 to extend deadlines on other things, and he gets a response in two days, where I'll be six 355 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,680 weeks getting one, because he's with a town, they want to know, they want to know the things 356 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:27,780 like you guys are sending them, so with that said, I can get you that data, I can get you 357 00:31:27,780 --> 00:31:33,460 a better correlation but it will be an estimate, it will be, you know, it will be, I don't know 358 00:31:33,460 --> 00:31:38,140 if it's going to rain, you know, you guys have a big system, you got a very large outfall 359 00:31:38,140 --> 00:31:43,760 it runs right along Stone Creek that is a very flashy creek that would take on water that 360 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,580 we feel like is a, you know, a very big source of infiltration when the, when the rivers out, 361 00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:54,040 the creeks out of its banks, we're trying to address that, we've got other funding applications 362 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:59,720 out there to try and get that resolved. This won't even touch that because this will 363 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:05,320 fix the stuff in town versus going after that. That's a $13-14 million project out there 364 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:11,860 in Stone Creek. So, you know, we're trying to heal the cuts in town versus, you know, going 365 00:32:11,860 --> 00:32:16,700 after the real big one out there that's, we're working on that, but it's a, we've applied 366 00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:19,500 for that several times to just have it struck gold, you know, and so. 367 00:32:20,580 --> 00:32:25,980 Is this the best you think we're going to get in say the five-year short term? 368 00:32:30,190 --> 00:32:30,790 I don't think so. 369 00:32:31,330 --> 00:32:35,870 I think if we keep applying, I think the fact that they reconsidered it and it's scored 370 00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:41,170 well enough to be awarded a loan at this point means that you're keep trying, keep trying one 371 00:32:41,170 --> 00:32:46,230 more shot and one more shot and they've obviously seen that you're working very hard towards 372 00:32:48,530 --> 00:32:55,050 that improves every, you know, if we resubmitted this application to that tomorrow, we may get some of it. 373 00:32:55,910 --> 00:33:04,390 The fact that you guys are so healthy from a financial standpoint and you do your audit sometime and do all those things 374 00:33:04,390 --> 00:33:13,350 and you're not part of the viable utility reserve, which is basically a label that says you need more funding, more principal forgiveness. 375 00:33:14,110 --> 00:33:19,910 So it almost, you know, you can't be rewarded for not doing it, you know, rewarded with 376 00:33:19,910 --> 00:33:26,270 very good terms on loans because they see you as a good viable physical entity kind of thing. 377 00:33:27,970 --> 00:33:31,950 Some of the other towns that I work with, they're not as in good shape physically as you guys are, 378 00:33:32,030 --> 00:33:37,130 don't have an enterprise fund, balance like you may have, and unfortunately they need more. 379 00:33:37,450 --> 00:33:42,230 And so those guys fill up and take all of the principal forgiveness that we're really looking for 380 00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:44,470 from a grant side of things, if that makes sense. 381 00:33:45,330 --> 00:33:50,070 And so the fact that they offered you a loan means that they're paying attention to it 382 00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:53,470 and you can tell them that the conditions aren't favorable for whatever you want, but 383 00:33:53,470 --> 00:33:56,210 what I would tell you is it's on the table. 384 00:33:56,630 --> 00:34:01,330 It's $3 million in front of you, but there's just, there's some payment terms on it. 385 00:34:01,390 --> 00:34:06,410 We can go back and continue to apply for grants, which I would recommend every period apply 386 00:34:06,410 --> 00:34:08,170 for the grants every bit you can give. 387 00:34:08,890 --> 00:34:12,830 it's just that, you know, you guys being a responsible 388 00:34:12,830 --> 00:34:18,010 tail on physically are very much, very much not going to 389 00:34:18,010 --> 00:34:21,470 continue to get loans instead of grant because you're not in 390 00:34:21,470 --> 00:34:24,370 dire consequence like a lot of the municipalities that I 391 00:34:24,370 --> 00:34:28,870 send on. That's a good thing, but not necessarily the, the 392 00:34:28,870 --> 00:34:29,870 noise you guys want to hear. 393 00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:33,970 So I'm glad that you keep saying that we're in good, good 394 00:34:33,970 --> 00:34:37,150 financial standing and we want to stay that way. We don't 395 00:34:37,150 --> 00:34:39,570 don't want to fall in the hole and try to dig our way out. 396 00:34:39,910 --> 00:34:45,910 My concern is, it's 20-year-long, and I see the interest that will be paid back through 397 00:34:45,910 --> 00:34:46,230 this loan. 398 00:34:46,430 --> 00:34:52,930 And my main question is, to rend it, there's 190,000 per year, how bad of an impact will it 399 00:34:52,930 --> 00:34:57,170 have on our yearly budget as we, if we put it into the budget? 400 00:34:57,170 --> 00:34:58,130 Hopefully we will. 401 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:29,980 Any other department or citizens of Nashville? Can we absorb this comfortably? Well, you know, we're working with the school government right now in a rate study. And one of the things Jason and Tress have been working with the the gals here at the schools is forecasting what we need as far as a capital improvement plan and how much money we'd be spending for that. This $190,000 annual payment could be considered 402 00:35:29,980 --> 00:35:33,000 considered our capital improvement plan worked into our rates. 403 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:38,780 When they presented at our budget work session they said that we were okay the way we are, 404 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,240 but we're no longer our expenses for 405 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:48,200 water and sewer have increased to the point where we're no longer tucking anything away in 406 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,700 fund balance for future projects or replacement projects. 407 00:35:52,580 --> 00:35:57,540 So their concern was that we needed to have a rate increase just for that purpose alone. 408 00:35:57,540 --> 00:36:03,060 And we did, you know, the Council approved a 15% increase in water and sewer rates. 409 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:10,300 So with this, forces to have to make another increase next year? 410 00:36:10,820 --> 00:36:16,280 Well, that rate study will determine that my gut feeling is, for the first couple of years, no. 411 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,660 But as the years go on, our annual operating costs continue to rise and rise and rise. 412 00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:27,100 And unless you keep your rates continuing to go up, 413 00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:29,300 you don't, you don't cover that annual inflation. 414 00:36:33,060 --> 00:36:38,460 So it's been four months, I feel certain that staff 415 00:36:38,460 --> 00:36:39,580 doesn't feel good about this. 416 00:36:39,740 --> 00:36:41,080 So they were brought it to us three months ago. 417 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:42,300 Was that a good statement? 418 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:48,960 Well, be honest with you, I kind of forgot about it. 419 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,040 Well, Mike had let me know as soon as it came out. 420 00:36:52,820 --> 00:36:55,920 And we were in the midst of getting ready for the budget, 421 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,060 preparing for the project and it kind of got pushed to the side and then when he called 422 00:37:00,060 --> 00:37:04,940 me two weeks ago and said, hey, you need to decide something on this. They're sending 423 00:37:04,940 --> 00:37:12,980 us letters about it. So we have been Jason. So I just have two points to make. One, we've 424 00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:17,740 been keeping a spreadsheet since about June of 2024. And I can't give you an exact number. 425 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,720 However, I can say with since this work has been going on, we have noticed our track 426 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:27,200 that rainfall, snowfall, the water that we produced with our whales, the water we purchased 427 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,100 from Rocky Mountain and the water we sent to Rocky Mountain. 428 00:37:30,540 --> 00:37:34,460 And I can tell you that during large rain events, we have seen a decrease over the last 429 00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:35,100 two years. 430 00:37:35,620 --> 00:37:36,820 So the project is working. 431 00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:37,940 I can't give you a numerical. 432 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,060 It's 10 percent, 20 percent. 433 00:37:40,140 --> 00:37:43,960 But I'm going to share that spreadsheet with Mike Tulson and maybe he can analyze it and 434 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,220 give us some raw data points. 435 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,500 The second thing I was going to make was this is a lot of money and this is a big decision. 436 00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:56,860 However, the cost for CTR token or any other polymer token that we're going to use is increasing 437 00:37:56,860 --> 00:37:57,440 yearly. 438 00:37:57,980 --> 00:38:02,820 So three, five, seven percent increases, not only for the epoxy because of what's going 439 00:38:02,820 --> 00:38:06,600 on overseas, but labor cost, insurance costs, and all that type of stuff. 440 00:38:07,020 --> 00:38:11,660 So if we do pass on this and we defer it down to road, it's going to be more expensive, 441 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:18,380 whereas if we get this $3 million now, we can make a huge dent at this price point per 442 00:38:18,380 --> 00:38:23,860 in your foot versus pushing this off for 10 years and every year we're going to come 443 00:38:23,860 --> 00:38:29,340 and say there's a 3% 5% 7% increase and we're going to keep getting smaller and smaller 444 00:38:29,340 --> 00:38:33,520 in your footage amounts done annually until it's almost not worth it and then we're going 445 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,900 to come and say well we need 300 or we need 400 or we need 500 we're going to get a lot 446 00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:42,740 of a lot of done right now at the price right now but that's council is very aware things 447 00:38:42,740 --> 00:38:45,300 are going up with every project that we do. 448 00:38:45,740 --> 00:38:52,200 Jason, the materials that we would need to proceed with this, is that something that 449 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:58,260 we could purchase a stockpile at today's price or would we have to purchase it as we 450 00:38:58,260 --> 00:38:58,600 needed it? 451 00:38:58,620 --> 00:38:58,900 Yes, sir. 452 00:38:59,300 --> 00:38:59,560 Yes, sir. 453 00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:04,760 I don't know the shelf life of it, but it's something that that company has for proprietary 454 00:39:05,300 --> 00:39:08,700 and it's not like we can put it in the warehouse and keep it at today's price. 455 00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:14,800 And one of our problems now as a town is we've pushed the can down the road for so many years 456 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,460 Then then we're trying to gather together and get things right for our citizens. Yeah, unfortunately 457 00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:27,580 Again, Kyle should just gonna keep going up. Well, the biggest question is I agree with you saying but the biggest question is if we can get a 458 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,600 $7,000 grant next year that makes it a lot better, but we don't know 459 00:39:32,660 --> 00:39:42,400 Certainly, you apply and continue to apply and maybe the next ask is only $3 million and we find a right-size grant application. 460 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:57,840 You know, we put in for what that $51,000 fee is a all the vitrified clay pipe, which is the terracotta pipe in your system, is that was the number we pulled together that said you got $51,000 fee, ten miles of it. 461 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:28,580 That is old deteriorated cracked roots, you know, in front for infiltration. That's what the application was pulled together to do. It was also the TV and video that it was also to, you know, rehab some maybe some line a few wet wells, do those sorts of things that are just included in a sewer rehab project, fix some manhole covers, fix some lids, raise a few lids that are in flood prone areas that wind up taking on water when it rains. 462 00:40:28,580 --> 00:40:39,220 but a sewer rehab-minded project, you always needed to adopt a sewer rehab CIP project 463 00:40:39,220 --> 00:40:46,380 in some form and just put some money into it every year to have an ongoing sewer rehab. 464 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:53,240 You're required by your state permit to video ten percent of your system a year, 465 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:06,160 So this kind of scratches some of those edges as well and gets a large portion of your 466 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:06,860 system video. 467 00:41:07,220 --> 00:41:12,320 We did that as part of your AIA and that's what is going to fix for cleaning and TV. 468 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:19,620 You've got to do that anyway so a sewer rehab, you know, CIP project just continues to build 469 00:41:19,620 --> 00:41:25,360 and fix and find and you know you may not fix them every year as part of it but you'll find it 470 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,800 this year and put in the budget for next year to fix it you know to fix that one point repair 471 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:35,100 or to line this point and you just make those decisions on an annual basis and you get into the 472 00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:39,660 routine of every year I've got paint the house every year I've got to clean the gutter you know 473 00:41:39,660 --> 00:41:43,980 you're cleaning the gutter essentially you know you got to do it because leaves keep coming you know 474 00:41:43,980 --> 00:41:48,520 kind of thing. And the flexibility you mentioned the laws that Sue related we can do with that 475 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,220 We're not limited to certain things with the loan. 476 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,880 Well, the scope is going to be specifically written to that description that's in there. 477 00:41:57,180 --> 00:42:02,620 So what we'll do is that they'll award a project to do that kind of fine to fix. 478 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:08,380 They don't care where it is in the system, but it's going to be clean TV, point repair line. 479 00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:12,280 You know, it's going to be sewer main rehab related. 480 00:42:13,380 --> 00:42:17,340 It won't be a lift station replacement unless I specifically have it in that list. 481 00:42:17,340 --> 00:42:23,320 I don't think I do have, but you mentioned it says find the repair but we could we could already we can repair what we already found 482 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:30,580 Is that that's right? That's right. We'll go ahead and we'll fix what we found in the TV portion of the AIA video 483 00:42:30,580 --> 00:42:37,640 We got we know where those are we can fix those today and we'll use whatever budget is left over you know to you know 484 00:42:38,780 --> 00:42:39,220 Well 485 00:42:47,620 --> 00:42:51,560 Do you think taking on this debt would actually help our future applications? 486 00:42:55,230 --> 00:43:18,130 Yes, only in the small little bit on the application, we can mention that you've got own going sewer rehab, and you are, you've found more problems, we'll use it as a argument in the narrative that says, you know, town is invested considerably because you have in condition evaluation and asset, you know, rate studies and asset improvement plans. 487 00:43:18,130 --> 00:43:26,590 You've got a proactive approach to clean and TV, you've done self-funding and DWI funded 488 00:43:26,590 --> 00:43:33,730 AIA programs that have ConditionScore of GIS and really exactly what the state wants 489 00:43:33,730 --> 00:43:35,850 to see you being proactive to maintain. 490 00:43:36,130 --> 00:43:41,210 So yes, it would help you, it wouldn't be, although they get eight points for that when 491 00:43:41,210 --> 00:43:46,030 you're scoring their application, but it does get considered and it helps to show that 492 00:43:46,030 --> 00:43:51,410 you are proactive in it instead of having let this happen to you and all of a sudden we 493 00:43:51,410 --> 00:43:53,110 need $40 million to fix everything. 494 00:43:53,590 --> 00:43:58,370 But if we found something in that search, we could actually use that on a future grant 495 00:43:58,370 --> 00:43:59,110 application. 496 00:43:59,490 --> 00:43:59,630 Is that? 497 00:43:59,850 --> 00:44:00,230 Oh, yes, sir. 498 00:44:00,450 --> 00:44:05,770 I mean, that's what we would use to justify future grant applications is this is the ongoing 499 00:44:05,770 --> 00:44:06,390 process. 500 00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:07,750 They TVed this much. 501 00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:12,170 We didn't have enough money to line everything, so we got, we need more funds for this. 502 00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:16,610 and that when they see the problem is there to be fixed and you're asking for the funds 503 00:44:16,610 --> 00:44:18,430 more grant, more loan. 504 00:44:18,750 --> 00:44:23,750 It may come back as loan, that's all based on a financial, you know, stability kind 505 00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:28,830 of rates, where your rates was this, was that, but you guys are right there in that sweet 506 00:44:28,830 --> 00:44:33,010 spot of, hey, this could go grant, it could go principal forgiveness, depending on how 507 00:44:33,010 --> 00:44:38,430 good application we write, and how good of justification we do, we put you in that upper 508 00:44:38,430 --> 00:44:41,350 where you get principal forgiveness before it's all gone away. 509 00:44:42,050 --> 00:44:44,690 And the last couple of times that they've had grant applications, 510 00:44:44,690 --> 00:44:49,790 we've seen $14, $15 million applications come in from big towns 511 00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:53,910 that are getting all loaned because they're in a physical place 512 00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:58,130 where they can physically pay that out of their... 513 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:28,600 All they've got to do is raise their rates, ten cents or one percent in order to make an extra $5 million a month because it's rally, it's carry, it's big, big tains. And you guys have a big enough system to where you're getting into you have a lot of maintenance issues, but you don't necessarily have the number of connections that a big system, like a real big system, like a five wastewater plants and five, you know, those sorts of things that are rally or Charlotte deals with. I mean, I've seen $30 million 514 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:35,780 dollar applications go in and get approved but it's all granite or not I mean it's all loan but 515 00:45:35,780 --> 00:45:40,700 some of it gets to be a little bit of principle forgiveness because they qualified over here for 516 00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:48,720 these points or those points. So you I mean every application is very unique and individual and I 517 00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:53,840 think it's just a we do a better job of writing one that gets you a better mix like I said in this 518 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:59,400 last funding right on it would pray. All it was left was the loan. So if we waited two weeks and 519 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:00,980 got more information, we were okay. 520 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,540 Ray, I feel like you could be out. Yeah. Yeah. We can do that. 521 00:46:06,540 --> 00:46:10,540 We get the numbers. My inclination is we go for this, but I would love to see just what the projected 522 00:46:10,540 --> 00:46:14,140 annual savings will be. Yeah. I'll have you that in a few days. So you're ready for the next meeting. 523 00:46:14,140 --> 00:46:18,440 I apologize. I should have had it today and just I did not did not follow up well enough to be 524 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:23,460 ready for this. I apologize. Should we just continue? Should we get the numbers? I think so. 525 00:46:23,460 --> 00:46:32,700 I mean, that being said, Mayor, I would suggest that we hold off on it right now until we get out, get some numbers so we can look at what we're into. 526 00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:34,740 Let's just make sure we're not messing up any deadlines. 527 00:46:35,340 --> 00:46:40,380 And let's hold it out until we lose the deadline, or that's a lot of money to pay us up. 528 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:47,040 I feel confident that's not going to be a problem, but I'll send an email to people that were asking me to where's the set. 529 00:46:47,060 --> 00:46:49,600 And if there is a deadline, just contact us individually. 530 00:46:49,980 --> 00:46:53,860 If you've gotten it two more weeks, if you've got another meeting in two more weeks, that won't be up. 531 00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:55,060 That won't even be up. 532 00:46:55,060 --> 00:46:55,520 We do, right? 533 00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:02,360 Do you have information, but I have to have it ready to mix, so you stay to go outside. 534 00:47:03,180 --> 00:47:04,200 Well, this is the only way. 535 00:47:04,340 --> 00:47:06,380 And thank you so much, Michael, for coming together. 536 00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:12,780 I think if we had that information a little bit, a couple days later, it would be okay, I think. 537 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,440 Yeah, we can get the rest of it to us, but. 538 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,400 Well, he could come, he could come and present the answer. 539 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:19,720 And I'll take care of that. 540 00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:22,440 She's referring to us wanting information ahead time. 541 00:47:22,660 --> 00:47:24,280 So I think we can delay that a couple of days 542 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:24,780 if we need to. 543 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,180 So do I hear a second to his, like you all 544 00:47:29,180 --> 00:47:31,100 does in favor let it be done by saying hi. 545 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:31,440 Hi. 546 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,500 And I think that does it for us today. 547 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,980 I would just like to remind everybody 548 00:47:36,980 --> 00:47:43,660 that Xavier's Memorial Service will be Friday at Union Hill 549 00:47:43,660 --> 00:47:48,800 from 6 to 8 and then at Northern Nash on Saturdays beginning at 12. 550 00:47:49,420 --> 00:47:50,960 But keep this family in your prayers. 551 00:47:51,260 --> 00:47:53,980 We thank those of you that came out today. 552 00:47:54,220 --> 00:47:57,660 We appreciate you coming out and appreciate those of you online watching us. 553 00:47:58,100 --> 00:47:59,300 Do you have any comments? 554 00:48:00,860 --> 00:48:06,920 Mayor, before we dismiss, in reference to our fellow councilman Xavier Harrison, I would 555 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:12,660 like to offer and make a point of record that we consider appointing his widow to fulfill 556 00:48:12,660 --> 00:48:21,940 his turn out to the end of his turn, she has already expressed that she would like to do it in his honor, and I think she'd be a prime person. 557 00:48:22,060 --> 00:48:31,500 We've already set presence in years past by appointing widows of people that have passed on, so I will offer that up for the Council to consider appointing her. 558 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,380 Okay, thank you so much. 559 00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:37,740 Any other? If not, do I hear a motion to adjourn? 560 00:48:37,740 --> 00:48:43,060 move to adjourn. Second. Second. All those in favor, let me know by saying aye. 561 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,420 Aye. And don't forget we do have council people to head out to them.