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Can we >> order pledge allegiance? Allegiance >> to the flag the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god, indivisible with >> liberty and justice for all.

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okay, so the first first item after you've done the pledge is the notice to the public regarding addressing and talking during our meetings that's in the packet. We'll move on to public comment. Is there anybody out there wants the public comment? Oh no. All right. We got three of >> them once. Oh yeah, yeah exactly. They're all right. Thank you. All right. So now we've got the adoption of the agenda.

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I would like to add one item to. We should >> put it all business or new business regarding our negotiations with unions. Want to talk about that. So would that be something we'd put in the business if >> you could do new business you could do it under negotiation committee if you like. >> all right.

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just do it there then and put that for a thank you that okay council yeah. Okay. Is there any other changes additions >> if none and we have an adoption of the agenda I'll make that motion. Thank you.

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second, any further >> discussion? If none on favor I oppose motion carried >> sent agenda approve the minutes of the august 25th 2026 city council meeting and approve the claim >> register of 9820261 >> the amount of 47 >> thousand $87.07 and climate officer >> motion. Got a motion a second any further discussion if >> not all in favor I opposed motion carried.

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unfinished business small cities development program update and not sure we have anything >> there to update there. I do not have an update. Okay. And then our east tasker joint sewer project update have we heard >> anything on on pine enforcement? I mean other than the fact that there the votes came in >> or involved came in way I a double down so we're still kind of waiting to deal

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with that right very close to meet I guess then they should have had a meeting this last week you >> probably hear the next one of that can be rectified.

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>> public works building follow up see the community impression report was in the packet a draft workplan will be submitted for council's approval at the next meeting there any questions on that? That packet? I honestly >> didn't have time to get through the whole thing so >> you want to give a synopsis or mayor and council it's still ahead. Wanted to do a first impression report basically so they can get a feel for the city.

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they did a drive around, looked at noteworthy places basically just to understand the community and what their what they're going to be seeking funding for essentially help them understand to be able to put information in grant packages or applications rather.

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so the first impression report is just you know what they've noticed their findings and whatnot about the various things that we have going on the city it outlines >> the >> mixed use downtown and signage stuff public services and amenities, community promotion, housing and residential space educational opportunities and childcare, outdoor trails, parks, parks and rec >> and then they have some recommendations and some final thoughts.

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so the recognize you know they're that they're priority focus for us the project focus for us is their street project and this public works building plan they think it'll just help build their grant applications when they, you know, understand our >> community better.

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yeah and I thought it was nice I just finished yeah I was it was action report >> I mean it thorough. All right thank you. Very perfect. I noticed just quickly they talked about the campground and then we can talk about that and the street department and stuff but >> I like to see their recommendation and we are moving ahead with it.

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so is that we'll find >> out from jason later how much of a priority we can make that or now I see that we're working on an hour so >> it's one two right under it right. It's right at our grass. Oh yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Yep. Yeah.

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no what was your watch out about it? So follow up >> regarding the properties of hazardous conditions up to 11 central >> through to first 2 or 6 third through 23rd and to plot out so the one on the burnt house on third street that's what 324 right. I had another >> inquiry on that by one of the neighbors >> there.

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they're getting concerned because on this and on days over there getting high winds that ash and that stuff is blowing starting to cover their house and their windows and they're concerned about potential >> I don't want to say it's bestest but you know, other >> contaminants I don't know being airborne and I told them we were told we were working on it.

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I don't know where we're at with it so I just so I bring it up so >> where we're at with that one that was inspected, they they did get the results back for if tests and the word is failing me it's an acronym like t h c, p or something like that.

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so basically it's the burned ash and the nail who's doing the inspections said that they have been trying to correspond with the spca regarding how the spca wants them to approach this property because well I mean essentially they're helping us with recommendations >> of how we should approach this property because the testing in that I guess concerning I don't I don't have the level of concern there in terms of

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the results but enough to warrant conversation with the mpca and we'll approach abatement of the situation and especially considering how the property is >> well a hoarder house.

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>> yeah you know I mean I think councilman sullivan brought up like last minute cleaning before but at some point in time saying all but >> this >> this I would surely think is going to be something whether we have grant money or not that we're going to have to address.

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I mean I don't want to live next to something that if it's potential investors blowing around in the air and next thing you know I'll have missile glioma I mean >> where you know I did I had a conversation with senator farms where last week and when I go back >> and he you know he >> went through the motions and said yeah you're right it's I called it's $4 you know, whatever >> but he told me he did tell me though that these properties

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I'm not saying he's the ultimate authority. Right. But there's he told me that because these >> properties aren't public and you don't need to follow these wage guidelines or the prevailing wage one prevailing wage guide >> he told me that you don't have to unless you own them buildings and so >> I don't

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know if he's right or not but so to me and I would open up the door because >> he said he he specifically said the reason >> you know, they've considered that they're shutting out on the top agencies from getting the animals to get on a lot of these projects because of that prevailing wage and he said

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that he I specifically was >> talking about this property just down the block >> but he said that that's what he said. So so I mean >> I think maybe there maybe needs to be some >> more follow up on that because I'm not a you know, he's not an authority but he

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said he looked into it but he could be wrong. So but >> I think if he isn't wrong then that would probably that could possibly open the door for us for children to get the grant right for as heavily as it is right and then be able to get somebody who might be able to

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do it deeper. So >> my you know, again my concern is that how long is that going to take? You know I mean, you know, like this week I think I think tomorrow supposed to be like high winds tomorrow and they're talking really high winds, you know, so and all that stuff start all around the neighborhood, not

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just the neighbor's house but you know, living I mean I still do you know, april, if those grants are awarded like twice a year or are they are they a word are they considered as they get them like this one we put in for this one here which >> is something to be like 14 or

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13,000 whatever. Do they wait until january >> and they do everyone they get from the range or do they do you know I mean as they come in well, they have their so the fiscal year starts in july, you know and then they have a believe it's like an opening july 1st

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to the end of the month and then they start considering awards and then if there's funding left over they start awarding it as it comes in. So >> I thought that I travel are required to prevailing wage you know >> the grant guidelines so they do have come the senator said they don't if it's if it's private

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for private you so I guess we have a contradiction >> yeah yeah so we saw that part >> of it if it's privately owned but it's still us as a city doing it and I mean it just seems like >> it's bullet spaghetti, you know? Oh yeah well it's not well yeah I mean it might

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seem that way but it it's not our bill. It's not our property. Oh no, no. That's yeah but yeah it just seems like there's a lot to wade through there so just to be also pay for part of the remediation >> of those fires. >> yes well we look at all of them cost us the cost figures.

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yeah I didn't know >> if it was just at the tear down cost after it's been reviewed. You >> know, that's why we make sure that we do this best as testing and get the results then get quotes for best is maintenance because when you're paying >> for quotes on that now that we have though

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yeah yeah we've done the testing yeah they've they haven't given >> me the final results but I have two contractors or one contractor that doesn't want to bid on it until we submit the results of those testing to them and then I >> have a quote from one their contractor so yeah so

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I mean my point being is you know I my thought is on that particular >> house that work work and need to move forward with it regardless of whether we're getting funding my trip or rv >> or not and I'm not you know not saying all of them I'm saying that one just

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because of the issue that we have the potential of that test versus being airborne and I just think it's pretty serious. So that that's my opinion and hear me out everybody make sure that opinion but no, I agree.

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you know but I also >> agree that this one down the block could be every bit as dangerous and could be blown out every bit as much or maybe not as much as it's this the ash that I I'm just saying yeah no I understand.

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but the other question I >> have is can we if we their ability down while our grant is still there and we can we still get the grant if we if we do the work ourselves is our submission >> will they pay us after the fact? That's what you ask >> me. We have been under since this >> you >> know they will only reimburse for work that has been completed after the grant agreement is signed.

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well I would if so I guess if if your biggest concern is this fire on us which I. I do agree >> with you maybe we should go out and get some estimates from but we have mom and >> pop or no I think we just see what it comes >> in and maybe there's brian even work and he retired he's now

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retired I think he was I know he's going on this trip like I was here. I wonder if >> the guys who have run their business out of the garage they're across from the >> kindergarten from the school.

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corey barb I wonder if they knew that that type of thing because I've seen things online where somebody asked about a job and they said give me a call and it was it wasn't your ordinary construction jobs. Maybe they'd be interested. I don't >> know. I mean it's going to take some heavy equipment. Yeah, they really they don't have it but they could rent >> it right? So yeah, they could rent it.

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but my my recommendation >> would be if you know if you're if you're going to go get some local courts like that as you probably should you know caveat that with we're still verifying whether the city has to pay prevailing wage or not you would still like if you're interested in calling it

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because if if we don't have to pay prevailing wage then we'll have your code and or two culture three >> or whatever we get for that just for the sake of you know, not slowing the process down because you know, maybe once every year or twice a month, you know and then you know if it's if it's

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>> two weeks delay then it's going to be a month. And if it's a month, well it's going to be too you know and maybe we should try to get that that information by next meeting.

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well, to trigger that information on rate on language and whether we need it, whether they need it or not for a grant or to decide if we can wait. But the other thing he did say is there he said although this wouldn't work for either one of those places as they're small lots ready go as you know if you have a lot that you can build something else on because there's other programs through

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the actual rv that pay 100% to develop it for >> new orleans . So he said and >> I said well neither one of these houses are there 25 foot lot can >> be built on anymore but so that leads us to do we revisit the whole tiny home thing.

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so you know I mean there's a whole nother well >> yeah I would I would like to at least for tonight is to come to a decision as to how how how does this council want to move forward and you've heard my opinion I think that we need to move forward as efficiently but >> confirm and verify first.

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but some of these things can be done in tandem I think and including by proposing the applications or whatever maybe >> yeah, right. Yes. Are we going to try to get some more information on prevailing wage? I guess >> it's probably online available online.

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I don't >> as far as if as far as I hear you that or not I >> mean is he wrong or is he okay? Is he wrong or I couldn't tell you. Yeah. I mean that's why I say we just need to know to verify and confirm what is correct >> and all he said nonpublic nonpublic properties >> it can be up to anything under

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200,000. Yeah it can be. You don't have to pay prevailing wage and I would assume that we could >> you could email and talk with the grant and then yeah >> exactly.

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yeah and just see what they have to say >> but yeah I think I think this is getting this one is getting to the point nobody's fault of this getting to the point where it's it's pretty it's getting pretty urgent >> to find a solution for it only because it's burnt like it is and >> so you think that's is the top priority is that our that's my opinion yes.

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I >> just think the condition I mean I agree with you I mean a certain extent that you know the other one the other the others could potentially have the same issue like you said. But we know for sure this one has that issue. >> we're not going to be ready. I'm bad. These are the not for a long time. No. So right not to worry about them for a while.

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yeah. The laundromats under amp okay and then these is in whatever >> so so would the council be in agreeance of pushing the bird one to the top of the pile.

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yeah >> yeah and then I mean if we're looking at the two top priorities is that one and then the when councilman solomon is bringing up I mean yes you should be doing you know and and right >> and then by the next meeting you know I would really fully expect that you know to probably make some kind of a decision as to the finances in terms of how >> we're move forward with the

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stuff >> in motion to that effect. Okay. So now the rest of them I don't know I won't say for >> real to first street. So mpac has contracted >> with brown and rechecked to do so borings to determine how extensive that contamination is and we have residents that are starting to receive these letters and not understand

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them. So if you if you get someone >> in your question about it, it's a two page letter. It basically outlines the first page is from brown article that's outlining why they're >> receiving the letter. There's contamination found at >> 23o2 first street.

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they need to determine how extensive it is they're going to be doing soil borings to to determine that which means soil borings on only people's property. And then the second page is basically a an agreement allowing them access to the >> property to do the borings to the neighboring properties.

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the neighboring properties to do the borings some that the resident that I had come in today was skeptical that she wouldn't be held accountable >> for the results of those borings >> and that's not the situation. Mpac is just trying to determine how far that examination goes. Yeah and so I told her she asked me what I would do. I said I would sign it. It's you're not going to be held accountable for it.

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she didn't believe me so she's not stating it. But if you get the same type of inquiries I guess just encourage them to. So these >> have hit their mailboxes already from yes, apparently. Yeah. Okay.

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so >> the others that was central avenue or first street central avenue is just still sitting in limbo >> and then through platt avenue so I know we talked about the doing the legal work on that from it was that I >> don't have an update on that.

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we will reach out to any substance has he had instructions to yes yeah I mean she was here so I presume yeah we'll send the questions and any of these if not all move on to new business so we have a resolution here 2026 dash 12 for a benefit level increase in the statewide volunteer firefighting plan. Basically the retirement plan. Does the chief have anything to add to it or >> anything right off of the zero? I like that work really all right.

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are you requesting money? But good job everybody. We nice? When's the last time we took an increase and actually we just did when we made the city.

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yeah, you know what I'm saying? We did it last year when we switched it up for fun >> and how often do we typically make >> do that? I mean, I don't >> remember it as they had they waited till >> after I left. It was on purpose. Well, I guess the important thing is is that you need to keep us because I don't know >> anything helps for retention.

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well that's a I'm and I really don't >> think we can do this so I'm sitting just zero >> yeah and so this is is only done once a year so it's in the report or what >> I mean should the council decide to up that at any other time in the year I just all right >> that this needs to be collected in the resolution and so yeah >> so what's the council's pleasure on the

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resolution I'll make >> a motion I'll support it >> if we have a motion and second any further discussion >> if >> done this will be a roll call. Council runs yes >> or martyr councilor jensen? Yes. Councilor sullivan. You know them? Yes. Thank you.

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consider approval of the health insurance right? All through the minnesota health care. So our film single plant the $1,194.54 >> and family plans at 3003 $36.70 per 100 bucks a 9.06% increase under 10th april >> is at the total amount for the single family correct? Okay. I'll make >> a motion. I'll second that emotion seconded. Further discussion. All those in favor I pause motion >> carried.

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next item is discussion regarding similar and I think I recall. Yeah. So when we were here when I was questioning our criminal attorney and you know the information when I asked for the contracts from both of our attorneys civil and criminal and I can vote or april found out that we don't have a contract with our civil

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attorney or do we even have an agreement with our attorney? The last thing that >> unless you own some sense but the last thing that april found out when I talked to her was that they had an agreement from like four years ago I think it was >> correct.

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so we had approved an agreement and then they had submitted a bid essentially when we went out for a proposal they submitted a proposal at the beginning of the year I believe and then when we did our reorganization and we had approved the proposal. Yeah. So a proposal is different.

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you know, obviously different than an agreement and I think I did read it and it says what they can do doesn't say what they basically they're working on a fee >> as needed fee which is fine I mean but the proposal is actually they're charging more now than the proposal said and rightly so because it was like four years.

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no, I don't think they're overcharging us at all. I think they're very fair but I think not having any kind of agreement in place I mean we don't when they're working as fee for service they really don't have any we don't have any agreements in place.

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I mean for example, meetings do they need to be at meetings or really not need to objections as if they don't have to be and they just come on there and I it's a small firm we're not going to have somebody available at every meeting probably but >> but if we need them if we don't so if we don't do we need them or do we not have meetings because

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it's it's whatever it's in probably three hours fee when they come. Yeah and >> I think that that in there's also two sides to that coin and what I mean by that is when we pick up the phone and call them it's we are charged with >> yeah well that's the other part of what the agreement as

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raw emails there is no >> guidelines as to who can engage your attorney and when so I mean really anybody could call them up and say do this, that and everything and they do it and I don't know if that's the greatest idea in the world to have that kind of lack of oversight from the

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council that anybody including us can just pick up the phone and call the call our attorney for 35 bucks an hour. I think the last >> time this kind of topic came up was I was on the council this was years ago and councilman >> martin might remember but >> there was one

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councilor at the time that was doing a lot of inquiring and it may have been even before I was on the council with the attorney. So they were getting they were getting billed well then some some one of the other councilors was like well wait a minute, you know the can't just go call on your own

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and if I remember and having that discussion I don't think it was happened while you were here nor did did it okay I just remember something like that. So like as as individual councilors you know >> at any rate I think we should have some kind of agreement in writing.

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I don't know what it would even entail but because I have never seen one before. But I think you're at you're setting yourself up for conflicts of interest.

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you're setting yourself up for charges you don't agree with that you as a council you never had any ability to have any input in and don't I mean I don't know if we ever had an agreement like with maybe we >> can go back and look at all that. I don't know. We did only have one criminal attorney I've seen I see the guy I saw the contract with the criminal attorney but they provide >> it's the criminal one isn't a fee for service.

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it's more it's more like a fee for everything one for one fee. So it's a little different >> in damages was I think different with that too.

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this >> was always originally a fee for service and then he went to a flat rate fee and he determined he was overcharging us with a flat rate fee. Usually he went back to the hourly fee which ends up being less than the flat rate fee.

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so but our >> attorneys have other towns that their city attorney >> for city of hibbing public utilities and I wonder if we could ask him for for him to pick recommendation that someone or something that we could look at or something I heard I just assume we have excellent. Yeah, I think there should be something in place. That's >> right. That's fine. We can we can definitely pull some more information together.

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I mean I'm sure you get a hold of him if we're going to get input from him to him and I don't know what they typically do in other communities >> I don't know if would do anything different than >> what they're doing personally. Right.

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yeah, I do think there should be some guidelines about who can aid your attorney and when we know what we're getting charged academic gets a phone call from somebody that's on the go yeah it is itemized on bills in college >> I mean as far as it >> kind of talking two different things here but as far as having rick you know jackie attend their council meetings >> yeah course but I know we've gotten some clarity out of it as well so

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because you got a question for him so yeah, yeah and so you're right and I agree and I think the only question I have is okay so you know, are we paying are we paying a fee to make sure that our attorney is at the meeting? Do we get >> a credit when

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they're not at the meeting >> you follow me? I mean no, that's that's requests and I'm not asking for that. Yeah, because you know >> I mean if we pick up the phone and call or send an email we get charged. Yeah.

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you know, just billing you for >> your you know and maybe so maybe maybe if they're >> not here they don't believe that's right. Yeah. That's the way they're doing it that's okay right >> that's answered my question. Yeah yeah okay. All right. I don't hear we get a lot of clarity but mostly what I hear is we'll have to research that. Excuse me.

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I didn't say a lot and said >> some. All right. Okay, good. I'll be happy. You're good. Okay, we'll move on to department reports for department. Oh, a couple of things I got for you tonight. First, no is ahead.

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we'll talk >> in a moment while I'm here now for three years and this is a quote I'm opening the department 18,003 44 >> that commodity equivalent one that is that 18 344 is high end this is that it's not going to go above that if you see on here this is all like forex stuff and we just I don't want to have them go through getting us all until we got the approval to

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do it. So >> I wondered about that. I'm like oh really? No I >> would say what they did look is that I thought it was one >> that is the money in the equipment fund for that like I see right now they respond in their structure here and that 18,000 there's about two and a half sets

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instruction contracts oh >> I'd rather just do it and be done with it >> and frankly it's structured you're not necessarily built to do well. Well you don't need >> it's too expensive to use on grass players.

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no well >> not only that but you know >> they ought to >> have yeah well yeah have >> so that's what I got. >> can I ask it quite can I ask a question about the second one first joe the 15 five we're talking about dnr reimbursements that was for you guys being available at the fire is correct. So I does kind of I mean that's almost funding. Yup.

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that's for the wild fires to go do that again do that and sure so I mean based on that I would make a motion that we approve the 18 344 >> motion on the table.

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I'll second that we have a second >> any further discussion if done all favor all right both motion carried >> then the other brings us to the next thing genda this can give you a breakdown of our six days that we had up in illegal fuel gas in order of six days 51935 what the grass cover was per day six trips with staff we did receive a confirmed that the officer 20,001 68 and my recommendation to be taken the

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staff wages fuel off their equipment and budget on the revenue side of it and then put 15,500 into that equipment purchases. Yeah it makes sense to me. Council's pleasure. >> so second >> motion the second any further discussion >> if done all in favor I oppose motion carried the chair. Thanks. Appreciate it.

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>> police department >> and council is one item just to consider what we discussed the last meeting for the ordinance is I guess the change in the ordinance amending of the alternate parking discussion >> but it gets a chance to review it already. I like that.

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anybody >> have any questions or any is one of the main changes that directing the parking on the avenues does it must be the one moving forward from what we've just practiced? Yeah okay and we're not I looked at it but I will admit it was briefly we're not changing the weekly no >> and then the other side of it was we are our ordinance read april is that correct? April

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1st and the sign said may 1st so we're just aligning we're aligning with the signs that are in place on the we're not changing anything on any of our trees other reasons for says is on >> the alternate by day and then they have a different time frame for us to rest yeah >> but we're going

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to make the ordinance match the sign is that what you're saying? The streets? Yeah is that have the council's letter then I >> think it just cleans up what we're doing pretty well so I'd make that motion second motion say any further discussion on favor by those motion carried by adams.

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>> so I just have one quick question really just a thought I had was on the avenue >> did we have to order more signs or did we have signs or some existing but we're going to have to order or >> cover all of it. Okay.

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so are you going to be able to our bills and time and december yourself or your two those >> okay I'll talk to you and you're up them >> did you look in the attic and every once a month for may not be the right side frame should be this there should be the same as the ones on the street I think at least there

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was a there in regards there's a lot of stuff in like >> his garage check up every single >> thing thank you chief >> basin so we >> have to >> there are two zoning >> applications for events we are not about to hear that works already done >> so.

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oh I see both of them. Yes I see. No >> really? Yeah even I can make a move on. How can a three year of sale ticket >> is permits finally been pretty had to be added on to you >> know all our gotcha so the first one is consider approval of zoning permit application

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for cassandra and nicholas to do long 5 or 5 first street to install 170ft of linear fence now I mean did you guys look at it is a fine group enters in the backyard >> it's not encouraging them to sign we just they're coming up to the sidewalk there's not much of a description here they're right

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so I mean as far as >> I'm concerned their fence is done in their here so so council's the only question would be that on their property line that's going to be up to them . So yeah that's my question.

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we're >> not we're not responsible yeah yeah if it's their property line that's going to be between them and exactly >> yep yep precisely everything is good there. Council's pleasure >> second >> motion second any further discussion if none all favor by both motion carried. Yup go ahead. It's going to be same thing that's between him and his neighbors as far as >> property.

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well I think one of the >> concerns are not going to do it at marin county >> council's pleasure. I'll make a motion. Okay. Second motion second. Any further discussion if not all favor I also motion carries >> so you'll just follow up and see how many >> of those signs. Yeah I can check on that.

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you >> did scroll the way up there in the back part of the sign posts. Yeah that's so I was thinking of also on the avenues >> where there's no boulevards, you know so I mean >> we're going to be cutting through the concrete. >> yeah.

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yeah yeah they're >> going to try to do 2 or 3 per side >> project but yeah there are both ends some in some places there's not holes too so we can use a power pole. The one less signpost to put in the ground so we could there's questions on the campground yeah yeah if that gym expanding anything.

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oh >> yeah yeah I mean just in the packet had a had a >> you know a recommendation to add some spaces and I know >> you've been doing that and just started >> yeah we started >> we just kind of use it as filler word right now it's not priority because there's not much money out there for I mean it's going to be a lot

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of money to run a lot of our sewer across the road to all these sites when we get it plan and proposal >> right now so it's it's kind of used when we don't have a whole lot of we're going on so I still plan to get it hopefully wrapped up by the first snowfall moving

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so without the push a little faster we certain again >> that's probably something for another grant because it's going to cost some money is going to be a lot of money for utilities over there and then get it paid and all that >> stuff.

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well yeah and then thinking about it I mean it's not like we're really going to have any return on it this year even if not you know I mean and even >> the november 1st or october 31st and run minutes but even if you have the pads right they don't have water sewer you can still rent out I mean well you're a lot of different

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campgrounds for there or they are but you know basically are primitive sites they don't have water or sewer yet and if somebody wishes >> to pay for it they certainly can't until we get water and sewer in there. But that would obviously be held next year.

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that trick probably be your easiest thing to run over there. I mean we did it for the whole campground already so that's right. 250 grand so that this I don't know how many sites are going to get out of this area here. You know, maybe I don't know. That's still pretty good though. It's good and we can always move north.

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do we >> still have a bunch of property to the north of our even our north sites if we wanted to expand >> up there? Yeah. And another grant opportunity maybe because there's one thing about the campground is even prior to the soviet metallics you >> know it was even prior to soviet intelligence. Yeah. Yeah.

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correct. You know so I think it's a good investment whatever we end up sinking into it, you know, >> or our own money it's still a good investment >> for this if something going forward just to throw an idea out there is that something that could get wrapped in with the >> public

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works building or I mean you wanted a job janet gary said that maybe a campground expansion where are the bathrooms >> and right exactly. Yes. He said that one of the meetings. Jambeck oh, okay. Yeah.

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I remember him saying that because of the bathrooms and then we actually at that time was that I think remember the first time we had a discussion about the potential of expanding the campground and then he did I remember him mentioning it it'd be a good time to do it and you know right right. Attracts more grand opportunities to look for that expanding region.

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do you have any >> idea how much it cost to do one site with the full hookups like a ballpark? I know it. Okay. I was curious do you know I guess that's going to probably very you know, if you're running power and sewer and water over to five sites versus if you're doing it 210 all in the same area, then per site >> costs

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will come down and just some materials like the layer four electric how many meters we got to have and so on. I mean >> price of materials >> especially electrical is expensive and you know oh but >> then do you want these sites to be flat top or do you want them classified as you

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know that's going to matter to this laptop is also very expensive. Every other site has it right now that you have up there. But but it doesn't mean you >> have to slow down on that so you don't have to do it later >> people and it was ten grand for one pad you

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want to do >> yeah well and she said yeah maybe that's something that you can start by recommending >> if you right and there again there's been I've been to plenty of campgrounds that all of your pad is is classified I feel yeah I mean you got to any of them go up to bear lake you go

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up to the task a state park and I mean they're there they're all clean that be easier if you if they were plus five if you look at what number two for example on that steep you can't fix that because there's a slab that would >> have to be yeah, the whole thing would have to be

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torn out and you'd almost need retaining wall there >> to prevent that I mean that's opposite steve for that was a few years ago yeah that one I mean I've seen plenty of campground sites to where they have major incline well they just don't bail right out when they put a retaining wall

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against it it's just >> kind of that state together because it's pretty >> steep. It's pretty steep. Yeah but and >> again that's we rely upon your preferred right I find myself you know it's easier >> if you have to dig up the area right for any kind of reasons and we

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do it we're going to put all layer in conduit stuff like that just to get to bed. You didn't have a ready when the state did the intersection or I see they dumped it all on our parking lot the crushed asphalt >> as you can see in that parking lot space they

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asked for to dump it and we're like operating. Yeah. No. Yeah. So yeah. Did you see that? You know what the state did there? Yeah. Corner yes well the asphalt of the tar crushed it up it's in our parking lot now it's thanks >> in the your parking lot I was there by the overlook all that

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parking lot. Yeah yeah no I haven't seen it >> looks like so so just >> anybody else have anything for jason? Thank you. Okay >> so commission and community updates negotiation committee consider the recommendation by the negotiation came to up see resolution 2026 dash 16 to approve the tentative agreement between the city of

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nashville and ask me local 81 ask me 65 local 81 representing police chiefs bargaining unit for the calendar years 2027 through 2029 council's budget or do you have questions? >> no yeah okay we have a motion I seconded. Yes absolutely no motion a second. Any further discussion if none at all.

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oh we're >> going to do a resolution. Cards? Yeah. Councilor >> grant. Yes, I'm over here. Yes. Insurgents and yes, they're sullivan. Yeah. Will yes. Thank >> you. So then I did the comments on our our negotiations with our are several units and >> I don't know how many if we have what just one left or left.

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yeah, but or two is it true? Yeah. Two right now so sorry but I'm I had brought it up before and I'm bringing it up again because I think I still think it's important for a small enough >> organization where the council can participate as a whole in negotiations what we do this what once every two

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years three >> typically you know and I just you know I want your feelings and well I brought it up when I first got on the council.

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yeah I know I was used to doing it that way because I'd done it for over 30 some years here so I liked it because I stay involved. You know I don't stay involved in all the right now I have something that I really do need to look at.

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I mean I could've looked at it but I didn't involved involved in negotiations that I would know I would know what was like and what was going on or if there was any changes or not. Yeah and it'd be nice to know that >> you >> know how the conversations went with exactly all the came certain things came about you know you can read it in here but you don't really know if you're not there >> the I don't always see how it used to be

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the best way but we did it that way when we didn't have a committee when I was on >> it just for me just to be involved involved in it you know more I it's >> and I just look at it also I think as elected officials it's our responsibility to engage in

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that. You know and in that process if it's only once every three years it's not not a huge burden. And if you can't I mean now you you know, nobody can tell you that you can't go to the negotiation sessions but then it becomes the meeting meeting, you know, because so I mean they can't

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you know there are yeah right so then at least this is going to open it up to the rest of the council so I would just I would make the motion that we go back to our involving the the entire council and and all the negotiations going forward >> and mayor that is totally illegal by the private

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meeting standards because then it's in negotiation correct? Second, I don't >> think it's a good idea to switch it right now. We already did two and we have two more we're going to do it differently.

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the last two I guess I mean I would be maybe more comfortable with it if it's whatever you want to do it next contract but I don't think it's right to switch in the middle >> now. Well I mean I don't I don't think we'd be doing anything any different.

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it's comes back to the council is so I mean you know but why would it matter if we're going to do it why wouldn't it how is it going to is it's going to be unfair for once we haven't had it done. No you're what are your thoughts bunky? What's that >> are can I be completely frank? I don't like the idea of two relatives of the people in the union being on the committee. So can I be frank with you? Yes.

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you already recused yourself. So so just kind of this makes it the opposite. Okay, so you're >> holding down the opposite. So so what >> you're saying is that you know that I would recuse myself in that and that negotiation I can still be present and listen, that doesn't mean that I'm going to

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vote or do anything about it. There's nothing in the law anywhere in the state of minnesota that says that I cannot be there. As a matter of fact, conflict of interest >> is based upon I on the judges are going to put money in my pocket. No, I can sit there and listen right.

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I get so so my motion stands my motion is we'll switch and if it's for one unit then I guess we'll take the heat from the rest of the units.

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we're still at a point at the end so >> yeah I once their contracts agreed upon I mean anyone can can abstain from it if they feel they don't want a voting >> but I don't. Well >> so why what's the rationale that I mean what's wrong with the way that it's being done now other than tom chose not to read the packet which he had? No I just I'm just wondering why it doesn't work when I was

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in that officials I think that we can go back to what we used to do because it's our part of our responsibility >> to continue to do that and to do our job. That's my opinion and I now I don't need to explain it any further. Yeah. Okay.

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well you kind of do it because I'm continuing to ask questions so keep continue to answer the question. I didn't say I was going to answer the question. So the other thing is then so then does april have to try to coordinate a meeting with 5 or 6 of us and everybody? It's a challenge as it is right now. Three people.

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yeah. Well the council's responsible for being there but I don't I don't think every member of the unit is required. No I know but I'm saying it's hard enough to get a date that work.

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oh I know it's hard enough but we know what that can I add to that? That's >> the whole what involved that doesn't cave in looks like that whole thing's >> all or is more every week or yeah, don't say that he's watching.

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well that's that's okay that's from the wrestling so >> the actually >> scheduling meetings would be pretty easy if you just schedule it right after a council meeting or a couple hours before they were all going to be here maybe.

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but it looks to me like we're trying to accommodate their union steward like their union rep wants to meet at nine in the morning or whatever not I don't know that for a fact that no I so not to interrupt you but they believe we >> have three three sessions scheduled with public works deputy clerk already so at the start is the first one is september 18th and then I believe it's the next friday and possibly then two fridays after that and that the reason that those have been scheduled that way is because councilor johnson's schedule is open on

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fridays and so what happens >> so >> so what you're saying is there's no way those can be schedule? No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that if we have three scheduled I mean what I could do is invite you all to it, post them as meetings.

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there is time or they could all be rescheduled to schedule them where you have schedules and who shows up shows up. If they don't show up they can't then they can't and I'm not asking you to do that. Just move on it. I don't think I'd want to change those.

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I mean we try to schedule on everybody's schedule but we never get one schedule. >> well I had no one reached out. I already declined in the next one but whatever because I didn't know asked me of my practice before months so either way I mean it's yeah I understand that difficulties of scheduling >> francisco grammarians that's why I said when it's something all council on the council

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should be up and it should be pretty easy to schedule it around a council meeting because more than likely everybody's going to be at that meeting >> more >> than four and this is going forward that might be a good idea not to have to go through.

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I mean we are very schedule the negotiators strategizing sessions so >> yeah I know that's where we have >> I have a motion on the floor. We already have a second >> buzzer so we have motion second.

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any further discussion if none all in favor I opposed me motion carried thank you >> mayor and council updates I only have one thing I had somebody asked me down on fourth street down by the by the no no no don't by the playground had requested and I don't know what signage is down there it was requesting like new signage and there are the signs >> old and worn out or what kind of scientific type of I >> guess there are

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signs there that are down there likes slow or you know >> you know as you're driving you know >> slow kids at children at play or something like that one in an alley and I don't know if there's one on this or street. That's what they were talking on fourth >> street public yeah.

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I mean if you couldn't >> appreciate it >> or the other thing I was going to I forgot about this because you can probably take those signs down later on on four corners of schools on there you go to school on a working wants to know these >> lines or those ones yeah yeah yeah I forgot know so I'm

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talking about the the kids signs and the school signs are still signs out for crying I think we need them there any more. Oh yeah >> that's all I have. I don't think so. I had asked I don't know if I brought it up.

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I think I did but about invoices from the criminal attorney in april got information that they don't send me invoices but they do order lee correct. Quarterly reports on open cases which is what I was basically ask were in first place so I'm just saying that I think that's what she's going to be looking or looking for not that an invoice is provided quarterly.

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yeah they do it for other this our attorney does it for other their other clients around braintree around them I would work for me that's what I want it's you know what they're working on so when I was I had steering wheels know okay >> so we will convene and go to the whole session as permitted by minnesota statute >> 13.

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0 >> three for the purpose of labor negotiation >> strategizing before I have a motion to convene and going to that >> we need a motion to convene a session >> and we've >> got a motion to a second second further discussion not all favor I opposed motion