[19:20] Any
[19:48] citizens that want to speak. Yep. Come
on up. Name, rank, and serial number,
[19:53] otherwise known as name and address.
>> James Caldwell
[20:24] writing and approval is still planning
open the air, but we should be getting
[20:28] to the end of that soon. Um, a
contractor is on retainer, so we should
[20:33] hit the ground running um as soon as I
can try to propose a little support from
[20:39] the city. So, uh, that's where we're at
with the Stellas. We're looking for a
[20:44] spring 2026 grand opening if everything
goes correctly. And uh I'm excited to,
[20:49] you know, feed the neighborhood.
>> Tell tell people what what the
[20:52] restaurant.
>> Oh, it's going to be a text. Um it's
[20:55] going to be at 1740 Nashville 1 right
here. Um between the Wendy's and the
[21:00] Five Guys and the Shell, uh the Shell
building that's been kind of vacant for
[21:04] a while. Um it'll be a 7,000 square foot
uh footprint on the ground level with a
[21:09] 1600 ft² uh rooftop patio. Um looking
over into scenic space center. Uh it'll
[21:17] see the space center NASA proper uh the
new Aggie uh research building. Uh so
[21:23] it'll be a nice view especially for um
the galaxy lights. So I'm really excited
[21:28] about all that. So,
>> so just to be clear, the that brand new
[21:33] spank shopping center that's been vacant
for two years are going to be the first.
[21:38] » Yes, sir.
>> So, that's all drafted, everything looks
[21:41] great. Um, got a LOI in place to kind of
hold it uh while I get the the finances
[21:47] figured out. And then once that's done,
we're giving keys.
[21:50] » And are you taking two of the five
spots?
[21:52] » Uh, I'm not sure how we broke it down.
We kind of did a custom footprint. Um,
[21:56] there are no walls set up in there quite
yet. Um, and I kind of came in and asked
[22:01] for a lot and they gave it to me. So,
[laughter]
[22:04] » it's about half.
>> Yeah, it's about half of the building.
[22:07] » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm thinking like
maybe three two or three. Um,
[22:12] » they're they've allowed me all the the
tenant improvements that I wanted to do.
[22:15] So, we will have [clears throat]
margaritas with a nice overlook. Um, you
[22:20] know, we'll have a nice outside patio on
the ground level as well as two as uh as
[22:24] well as two full full bars to kind of
service uh Nassau Bay and all the front
[22:29] » especially tequila bar.
>> Yeah. Uh so yes, it will be agave spirit
[22:33] forward tequila so tall meascows. Um
tons of fresh ingredients. So a tons of
[22:39] great frozen and on the rocks margaritas
as well as I'll have oldfashions and
[22:43] other prohibition era kind of cocktails.
That's kind of the the thing right now.
[22:48] So, absolutely, everything is going to
be fresh. Whatever I can source locally
[22:51] will get sourced locally. I plan to help
um bolster the Irma's farmers market.
[22:57] That's one of my first kind of big um
community outreaches is to kind of get
[23:02] that back to its glory days. So, I know
it's about, you know, infusing some
[23:07] money and capital in there. So,
absolutely.
[23:10] » Thank you.
>> Yes, for sure.
[23:23] Thanks, Chief. Uh, hello everybody. Pete
Seroka, 18226, uh, V Nassau Bay Drive.
[23:30] So, uh, what a year it's been. We're
coming to the end. We're in the home
[23:33] stretch. Can you believe that? So, uh,
it's been a, uh, a war for, uh, for me.
[23:39] Uh because um I had over the summer I
had a son get married in Seattle. That
[23:45] was very exciting. Then I had my
93-year-old mom pass away. That was sad.
[23:51] And then my beloved uh 13-year-old
Belgian Malininoa had a stroke couple of
[23:57] weeks ago and uh on a Saturday night at
midnight and that was fun. But uh she's
[24:02] still around for a while longer. So, uh,
but the reason I bring that up is
[24:07] because there is a new business that is,
uh, called the Gulf Coast Veterinary
[24:13] Services that is down near Costco. I
talked to the mayor about this and and,
[24:19] uh, they're the only 24/7, right? Our
vet works Monday to Friday, Dr. Huber,
[24:25] in League City that we've had for 30
years, but not open on the weekends. So,
[24:31] uh, they did a great job there. My my
dog Abigail was in there for uh for
[24:35] three nights. Uh it's unbelievably
ridiculously expensive. Uh so if you go
[24:43] there, the good news is is that they
provide the service if you need that. Uh
[24:48] the bad news is um I just don't know how
most people could could afford that.
[24:53] But, uh, you'll have to make that
decision. But, it is nice to see that we
[24:57] continue to have growth in the area and
businesses like that that are available.
[25:03] And so, um, so I bring that up. So, that
was number one. Another um, comment I
[25:08] had, I was just going to ask Paul and
Elas to see if we could get stronger
[25:15] communication on what's happening. The
city looks great looking out at the
[25:19] festival of lights out here and all the
flowers, all the good things that have
[25:22] happened. But then when I drive around
and I see all the construction that's
[25:26] going on and especially now that we're
we're a week away from uh from
[25:32] Thanksgiving and then Christmas and and
there you know Martinique and Nassau Bay
[25:37] Drive. I mean I don't know if it's water
breaks Paul or if it's the planned CIP
[25:43] improvements that we we really didn't
get on this year that we thought we were
[25:48] going to get on in the in the first
quarter to price it out. second quarter
[25:52] to take action. So, we got a miss on
that and I understand that's all going
[25:56] to roll over. But now, you know, now
we're we're into the latter part of the
[26:00] year and [snorts] um and I don't
understand what our plan is. And so, I'm
[26:05] pretty active in the city. And if I
don't understand, that means that most
[26:08] citizens don't understand what you know
what is really what's the schedule. And
[26:13] I keep asking, you know, is there going
to be a schedule that's going to go out
[26:17] for residents? And I hear yes, yes, yes.
But that hasn't happened. Once in a
[26:21] while you'll see a Facebook and it say
okay we're shutting water off on these
[26:25] streets but if we could tighten that up
that'd be you know the that that's a
[26:29] constructive crit crit criticism on that
Paul and you know take it that way
[26:34] [snorts] and then um I brought up at um
economic development council once or
[26:40] twice last year and at the city once
about the development of the Daven Lane
[26:46] lot to something productive for the city
and I know I've talked to Chase and Lucy
[26:52] about this and and the mayor. But, um,
you know, maybe now that we've gotten
[26:56] some of the major projects like, you
know, getting Margaritavville and some
[27:00] of the things that have taken tremendous
amount of time, maybe now we can focus
[27:04] on one of the last opportunities. I
mean, face it, we're not going to get
[27:07] another uh large waterfront lot.
>> Just warn you, you're you're 30 seconds
[27:12] past.
>> Okay. You want me to stop?
[27:14] » Just wrap it up.
>> Okay. So, I just want to uh resto the
[27:19] fire on that and put that in to see I
haven't I wasn't part of any of the
[27:24] budget meetings, so I don't know if
anything's been budgeted on that, but I
[27:28] would just ask that the uh the mayor and
council that you have uh conversations
[27:33] on that again.
>> Fair enough.
[27:35] » Okay. Thank you. Thanks, everybody.
>> Thanks.
[27:38] » Anybody else?
[27:50] I sat too far away from this thing. Good
evening. Um, my name is Jamie Roachcha.
[27:56] I live at 1419 Antigua with my husband
Andy. And I came this evening to
[28:01] actually speak to you about what's on
the on the screens right there. Um, I'm
[28:05] here to invite our mayor, our city
council, our staff, um, and of course
[28:09] our citizens to Nassau Bay's annual
Keyboards at Christmas concert. It will
[28:14] be held on Friday, December 19th at
Gloria Day Lutheran Church at 6:30 in
[28:19] the evening. Keyboards at Christmas, if
you're wondering what it is, is an
[28:23] incredibly unique, one-of-a-kind event.
We have six professional pianists on
[28:30] three Steinway Grands. We also have
special um guests from the Houston Grand
[28:35] Opera coming as well as our very own
Nassau Bay um children's. It's a it's a
[28:41] youth piano group that they come and we
spend the entire evening uh singing
[28:46] Christmas songs, doing doing our
favorites and some you may not even know
[28:50] that was even there. So we have an
amazing time. It is for families and for
[28:56] children. It is everyone is welcome. Um
you can see a lot of the information
[29:01] there. We have been working on this uh
the pianists have been meeting since
[29:05] September. So, you are going to have an
amazing evening of music. The tickets
[29:10] are free thanks to the sponsorship of
the city, private donors, and um
[29:15] businesses. We're able to offer those
for free. However, they are very
[29:19] limited. So, my suggestion is to please
go on, you can see that there's
[29:23] keyboards at Christmas-nasal
bay.com is our website. You can get to
[29:28] it there or you can just use your phone
and scan that QR code and go right to
[29:32] the tickets. Reserve your tickets now.
they're already filling up and um we are
[29:38] so excited to bring this annual
tradition back. We also have donors from
[29:43] the community and for those donorships,
if you're interested in don donating, we
[29:47] have several different packages you can
choose from and we absolutely have an
[29:51] amazing time. So, I wanted to say thank
you to the city, to the mayor, um and to
[29:56] our citizens of Nassau Bay who have
already stepped up on this wonderful
[29:59] event and I will see everyone on
December 19th.
[30:02] » I got to do a plug. Your students dress
out formally in black tie.
[30:06] » They do black tide. They buy their own
tuxedos.
[30:08] » Extremely extremely
>> professional
[30:12] professionalism
for a formal
[30:16] » Yes. [clears throat]
Yes, we are all dressed in
[30:21] Thank you. We're all dressed and dressed
black, but we welcome anyone driving in
[30:25] in blue jeans. It's totally fine with me
on that. Um, but we want to bring this
[30:28] to you because we have found in years
past that a lot of our younger adults
[30:33] and our children don't ever get that
kind of experience. This is a true event
[30:39] um for the community.
>> And I know it's up there, but in case
[30:42] people are not that way, please give the
date, time, location.
[30:47] » It will be at Gloria Day Lutheran
Church. It will be on Friday, December
[30:52] 19th. If you're wondering what day that
is, that's the last day of school for
[30:56] the public schools here in CCISD. It
will be at 6:30 p.m. at Gloria Day. And
[31:01] there will be signs everywhere to help
guide you once you get there to the
[31:04] church. All you need is a ticket. Um,
you don't have to pay anything, but we
[31:09] do ask you to have that ticket because
last year we we were within, I believe,
[31:14] eight tickets of s selling out. So, I
really advise you to get your tickets
[31:18] now. Thank you. Thank you.
>> All right.
[31:23] Anybody else?
Any other comments?
[31:29] Going once, going twice, three times.
The citizens comment section is closed.
[31:37] Moving on to council amendment comments.
[31:45] » Um, not too much tonight. We did have a
really good experience at TML. I felt
[31:49] like we met a lot of great people,
experiences, vendors, so I really
[31:53] enjoyed that. And um I'll probably
elaborate on that more later, but that's
[31:57] all I got for tonight.
>> Uh let's see. Enjoying the weather in my
[32:02] retirement. Uh Lake Lake Nassau looks
great, so thanks to Paul and public
[32:07] works for uh tackling that. Um it was
kind of fun watching watching somebody
[32:12] mow
>> mow the water.
[32:14] » Mow the water. Yeah. For a while. So,
uh, my family, we've already enjoyed the
[32:19] pickle ball courts and then just hearing
already our citizens here. It's just an
[32:23] awesome time again to be in Nassau Bay,
especially heading into the holidays.
[32:27] So, I'm definitely looking forward to
the holidays, just kind of seeing all
[32:30] the cool stuff that's happening. So,
that's it.
[32:33] » Jace,
[32:41] » this is not working out well. Okay. Um,
so I just had a couple things. Um, I
[32:45] reached out to Paul Lopez not too long
ago. I'm sure you've all noticed that
[32:48] the streets have been painted, so the
crosswalks, the stop lines, the turn
[32:51] lanes. Um, so I reached out to him and
he uh quickly got that repaired. So I I
[32:55] really appreciate that. Thanks for all
that. Um, also still working on the
[32:58] curbs. Um, we had Clear Horizon students
come out uh this past week. Uh, we had
[33:02] about a hundred of them come out to do
some gardening. Uh, 50 of those ended up
[33:06] helping me with some of the curbs. So we
did Barbuda, Vaseline, um, Saxony, and
[33:11] Caprice. So, I went out on Sunday and
did Barbuda and Vaseline. Um, most of
[33:16] those houses, there was one house where
the car was blocking, so I couldn't do
[33:19] that one. Uh, but I'll keep going there.
I've also got some on, I believe,
[33:24] Antigua, um, Vinland and Martineique
that I'm also working on. So, we're
[33:28] getting through those, but I did about
15 of them on Sunday. Um, and then
[33:31] yesterday was Veterans Day. So, hope all
my fellow veterans had a great day. And,
[33:34] uh, thank you for your service.
>> Not much to add. I want to thank Maria.
[33:39] Over the weekend, some of the Christmas
lights fell into the street due to high
[33:42] winds. So, we were able to get those out
and I see sandbags on them now. So, um
[33:46] that's great. Uh city looks great. Um
and that's all I have.
[33:52] » This weather has been fabulous. Um
uh I'm deep in the throws of helping or
[33:59] planning the reindeer fun run. So, I'm
when I'm not here, I'm doing that or I'm
[34:03] doing my two other full-time jobs or
carting my kids around like an Uber. Um
[34:07] but um it's uh in we're ready to go. We
have a healthy competition between the
[34:14] local area schools. I think in crazily I
think that Ed White is edging out
[34:20] Robinson in the number of uh student
registrants. So we really do need to
[34:24] have the Nassau Bay kids start to
register so that we can't have Ed White
[34:28] beating out the [laughter]
beating out Robinson Elementary. That
[34:31] would just you know not be good. So um
and this year we've got a new job for
[34:36] Phil. Phil is going to be presenting the
check to the winning uh students. So,
[34:41] he's going to have a nice picture with
all the kids. And
[34:43] » you're taking the ear away from
[laughter]
[34:47] it.
>> I could give you a confetti uh thing if
[34:50] you'd like that. Um no, but what we want
to do is uh have him present the check
[34:54] to the school that has the most
registrants. Um this is a new thing we
[34:59] started this year and it's been really
great. So, um other than that, that's
[35:03] all I've got. That's December 13th.
That's the day when all the other things
[35:06] are on like holiday in the park except
>> keyboards is on a different day which is
[35:10] smart to do this year so we're not all
worn out by the time we listen to the
[35:13] piano music. So that's all I've got
>> not too much dad. I think most
[35:18] everything's been covered. Um I'm
excited for the holidays. Um I do want
[35:21] to just say thank you to all the staff
and volunteers. I know we've had a
[35:25] couple of, you know, recent volunteer
events at the CCISD um folks coming out
[35:29] and then also we had um Paddle, not
Paddle the Peninsula Peninsula, Paddle
[35:33] Lake Nassau or
>> Paddle Nassau,
[35:35] » Paddle Nassau Bay with Jim Stow. We had
a bunch of veterans come out. They had a
[35:38] great time. Uh great weather that day.
Um I know we have, you know, the
[35:44] reindeer fun run. We've got the
Christmas boat parade coming up. There
[35:46] is I thought Nancy Lyn would be here to
speak tonight, but um we will be having
[35:49] and it's in the newsletter a Christmas
tree lighting taking place in the
[35:53] gazebo. I believe it's on Wednesday,
December 3rd at 6:00 or 6:30. Um
[35:57] everyone is invited, so please come join
us and I think we're going to doing
[36:00] wreaths in here again and then also
followed by Christmas caroling. So we
[36:03] hope everyone can join us and happy
holidays.
[36:07] » I've got a couple of things but it's
it's some of them are are around one
[36:10] theme and you've heard a little bit bit
of it. There's just a tremendous amount
[36:15] of work that I think you're going to see
is going to take the city to another
[36:19] level of beautifification. I can just
say thank you to the garden club and
[36:23] thank you to the CCISD and the parks and
recreation folks for fall sweep uh
[36:29] putting in here. I guess it's ex fall
sweep number two, but it was uh uh a
[36:33] number of different flowers were put in.
They were focused on uh uh Point
[36:37] Lookout. Uh they were focused on Upper
Bay Road and they were also at the
[36:42] entrance of uh of the uh the the big
park, David Braun Park. Just they it
[36:48] just a lot of a lot of things were done
there. And Chase, I think that was the
[36:52] biggest amount of of uh of uh street
painting or or the curb painting for the
[36:58] for the numbers.
>> They got a little ahead of me. I was
[37:00] like, "Guys, you don't need to do that
many cuz I'm going to have to come back
[37:02] and paint all these." But they did a
great job. There were 110 kids from
[37:06] CCISD.
>> 50 50% were with you doing stuff. So,
[37:10] it's like 50 55 kids there. 50 55 kids
helping out elsewhere. So, it it just
[37:16] showed what can happen with a little bit
of volunteer and uh and a crew of CCISD
[37:22] folks. They had a great time. So, the
the other uh got to give call out to the
[37:28] city staff on the painting. I don't know
if you've seen it, but uh a number of
[37:33] the crosswalks, a number of the uh the
area in the city has uh been painted. Uh
[37:39] they had been uh uh kind of lacking
because there's been some construction.
[37:43] There's been some different things. And
now that we're rolling out the street
[37:47] construction, we know exactly where we
can paint and where we're not. So, uh uh
[37:52] from that standpoint, you can see that
it just makes the city look better. And
[37:57] and again, that's the uh the road
construction you're seeing at at least
[38:01] three sites now where they're taking out
panels uh in the in the streets. We've
[38:06] taken a position that when we rather
than repair a specific spot, we want to
[38:11] take the whole panel including the
curves because it just looks nicer. So,
[38:15] you're going to see a whole lot of a
newer view once we get over what is it
[38:20] 13 14 spots? Yeah, 13 spots that uh are
going to be done and they're good size
[38:26] spots. So, it's going to it's going to
just give that new feel with uh with
[38:30] there. And then you got to love the
galaxy of lights down Saturn, right? So,
[38:35] a lot a lot of really good things there.
Um [clears throat]
[38:40] I also want to mention uh James talked
about uh Estrada and a and a restaurant
[38:46] going in there,
>> excuse me, Stellas, I'm sorry. Um, but
[38:51] it's also the planning commission uh
reunited the separation of that from a
[38:58] from a two plat to a one plat property
in anticipation for Schaers going in
[39:04] into uh into that location. So besides
anything that Pete mentioned like around
[39:09] Margaritavville, we've got two
fundamental sitdown restaurants and bars
[39:14] going into uh to Nassau Bay which is
just going to be a real added feature.
[39:19] And then the last I always like to
really call out exceptional kind of
[39:24] activity is uh uh I think everyone's
aware we had four boats that uh ended up
[39:31] trying to be abandoned in the uh in the
cove and there's just a multiplicity of
[39:37] of call outs here. Um I'm going to say
the police did a great job. Uh, I also
[39:43] want to say there's the cruises uh that
that actually kicked it off and caught
[39:48] them in the action and communicated it.
So, we were actually there uh as the as
[39:53] this was unfolding, which was really a
key to us being able to to to do
[39:58] enforcement and as some of the things
for for tonight. But uh had we had we
[40:03] not taken uh action, we could have been
liable to have to dispose of four boats
[40:10] at probably I'm just going to guess
anywhere from 20 to 25,000 maybe more a
[40:14] piece. So you're talking a 100 100k
hickey to to the city. But because of
[40:20] good citizen input, because of good
response and uh and being out there,
[40:25] some even with a with people out at
12:30 in the morning. Thank you, Chief.
[40:30] That uh uh that ended up being uh a
really good answer. And I'm sure
[40:35] they'll, you know, we'll we can talk
about others, but that's I I want to
[40:38] make sure of that. And then um just the
last thing is keep uh Jerry Roth,
[40:45] citizen, in your prayers. He had a very
very serious accident and uh broke his
[40:50] leg I believe in six spots and uh is on
the on the on the way to uh recovery but
[40:56] it's going to be a a long haul for him.
So keep him in his prayers.
[40:59] » He won't be doing the reindeer run.
>> He will not he will not
[41:03] » he'll still take us he'll still take
[laughter]
[41:06] » he still wants a t-shirt.
>> So with that that's all I had but I just
[41:10] there's going to be a really nice look
to Nassau Bay. It's already started with
[41:14] the painting and all the other stuff
that's going on. It's going to look
[41:16] really really nice and is continuing to
look nice. So with that I want to move
[41:20] on to the consent agenda. And with that
is uh um two uh two items on here which
[41:28] is A and B which is consideration and
possible action to approve the minutes
[41:32] of October 20th, 2025, the regular
meeting minutes and also the uh
[41:37] consideration and possible actions.
Second uh the second reading of the
[41:42] ordinance 20251020-1
of the city council of the city of
[41:46] Nassau Bay, Texas amending the code of
ordinances at chapter 20 utilities and
[41:52] services establishing water and sewer
rates providing details relative there
[41:56] too. Just so everyone knows with the
water rates they're not changing which
[42:00] is why it's on the consent agenda. Does
anybody want anything pulled off?
[42:05] Anything further comments,
modifications, edits? I do have some
[42:08] modifications. Sorry. Um so if you go to
um under the old business for the
[42:14] minutes um under number one 2 3 and four
um it listed as Mayor Johansson. So I'm
[42:21] sure that's supposed to be Johnson. Um
and then also under new business. Yeah.
[42:25] Under new business um same thing 1 2 3 4
and five need that uh that correction as
[42:31] well. Number six that was correct. Um
and then under executive session um for
[42:36] both the um adjournment into executive
session and the closed executive
[42:41] session, those also should be edited
from Joe Hansen to Johnson. So
[42:44] » there we go.
>> Unless we have a new mayor, which I'm
[42:46] not aware of.
>> Swedish twin.
[42:50] » Um I [clears throat] have an edit I just
saw as well under number four. Um check
[42:56] presentation to can be accepted by
Daniel Wilson and Spencer Carvajal.
[42:59] Daniel wasn't there. So I would say can
be accepted by Spencer Carbajal, uh,
[43:06] Jenny Castro, and Erica Berles. Those
were the representatives from Cani that
[43:10] were there that I remember.
>> Okay.
[43:15] » All right.
>> With those edits, I would move to
[43:17] approve the consent agenda.
>> Do I hear a second?
[43:20] » Second.
>> Second by Haley. Any further comment?
[43:24] Then I'm going to call for the vote. All
those in favor? Passes. 7 nothing. Okay,
[43:30] moving on to some things here. And just
just so everyone's aware, I'm going to
[43:34] be pushing this agenda. We've got a
actually a large executive session
[43:37] meeting. So, we're we're trying to
protect that so we're not we're not in
[43:41] uh for for a late evening. But Paul, I
think you'd like to give a council
[43:45] update on the uh the hydrillaa and the
algae in the uh in Lake Nassau on the
[43:50] waterways.
>> Yes, mayor. So, uh early last week, uh
[43:54] the contractors finished up the
hydrillaa removal. It was um right at
[44:01] 128 cubic yards, which is about eight
dump truck loads. Um we will be
[44:06] monitoring it. Everything looks good. We
we looked at it actually last weekend. I
[44:10] looked at it Saturday. Uh it looks
really good. He actually came back I
[44:13] think uh Tuesday. And then we're going
to keep an eye on it and just see if it
[44:17] starts growing. And then we will try to
stay ahead of it. and I've worked out an
[44:21] agreement with them with uh a price per
day uh which is $1,950 per day for
[44:28] complete uh which is pretty cheap. So,
we'll be keeping an eye on everything
[44:32] and make sure it doesn't happen again.
>> The the mowing of the water I think was
[44:36] the [clears throat]
but everything I've heard from people
[44:39] said it it really worked well. I've
gotten some pictures of people saying it
[44:43] looks like the not the hydrilla side,
but some of the algae may be trying to
[44:47] grow back, but it's really from my
perspective extremely small. But that's
[44:51] that's we just keep an eye on it. Any
other questions here? Because I know
[44:54] this was a big thing on council.
>> Yep.
[45:00] Then moving on, the council input
discussion and possible action to
[45:04] approve and authorize the city manager
to execute a contract for cameras in the
[45:08] waterway and city parks. Paul, did you
want to
[45:12] » Yes. So, we've [clears throat] had two
presentations, one by Vicotta and one by
[45:17] uh Flock System. And the four parks that
were covered was Howard World Park, Swan
[45:24] Lagoon, David Braun, and Founders Park.
uh Verata
[45:29] uh proposal came in at $69,844.
That's a three-year contract. That's not
[45:36] per year. This is a hardwire system. Um
and uh we've also had uh two
[45:43] fingerpr,856.81.
[45:47] [music]
[45:57] And this will allow facial recognition
uh for um individuals um individuals on
[46:04] boats. And then flock safety came in at
31,500 per year which comes out to
[46:11] 94,500.
Uh but that does not include the
[46:15] fingerpr
[music]
[46:18] um but they they will not do the facial
recognition. So if I remember in the
[46:21] presentation [clears throat]
apples to apples if you did include that
[46:25] ver uh verd uh or verade
>> a bott cannot pronounce [laughter] that
[46:32] um is about 20% less.
>> Yes sir.
[46:35] » Yep.
[46:38] » Any questions?
>> I suppose my question is kind of for
[46:43] chief. you know, with us already having
a flock system in place is does it make
[46:48] much sense to go in the direction of
another vendor or I mean it seems like
[46:52] you should kind of go with
what I mean, you know, with what we've
[46:58] got. I'm just costs are all fairly
equal.
[47:03] We we are familiar with Flock. We've
worked with them. We've worked with the
[47:06] uh their customer service already. Um
they're very responsive. I think the
[47:12] last time I gave you an example, we had
an issue with one of the flock cameras
[47:16] wasn't picking up the vehicles and they
were able to take care of that remotely
[47:20] uh before coming out here. Um
one of the
[47:25] the flock would be would would we would
remain with only two camera systems in
[47:31] the city. We have one system for the
buildings that's here of vigilanton and
[47:36] then we have flock which is the license
plate readers right now. Um and they
[47:40] would we would be adding on the live
camera system to the Flock platform
[47:45] already. Um Flock did uh reach out to
Paul and I last week um and and they got
[47:51] the approval to put in some additional
or some temporary cameras for a a pilot
[47:56] program if we if we wish to do that. So
um that that's an option.
[48:02] » I have two comments. um when Flock
presented in our last meeting um the
[48:08] visibility in the camera shot that they
showed us um from way down the street
[48:13] that was still very visible if I'm
remembering correctly. I mean thousands
[48:17] of feet away. I think that was
impressive. The other thing I would say
[48:20] about facial recognition,
um I didn't hear how exactly uh they go
[48:25] about that with AI, but my understanding
just um with other experiences and work
[48:30] and things like that. The only way
they're going to be able to recognize a
[48:34] face is if it's already in the system
somehow. Um and so and I don't know of
[48:39] what benefit to you chief outside of our
jurisdiction would actually
[48:44] benefit in that um for us like
particularly. So, those are my two
[48:48] comments.
>> Yeah, I'll turn that into a question. I
[48:51] I really don't understand why facial
recognition is a discerner here
[48:56] personally cuz I feel like we're looking
for uh nefarious people. We're not
[49:01] trying to figure out when, you know,
James is jogging through the park. I
[49:06] don't really care about that. I don't
want to I don't want to even get into
[49:10] the legal ease of of having a system
that can recognize people's names. I
[49:14] just assume if you have a shot of
somebody, you can take it from there,
[49:18] right? And you can go attempt to
identify that person.
[49:20] » I disagree. Let me what what I guess I'd
like cuz I I think Paul had some things
[49:25] here. You know, one of the things that
facial recognition recognition does,
[49:30] like say we have a a pedophile or if we
have somebody we know who's there and we
[49:36] know those are people in there and if
they're down in the parks by the
[49:40] children's books areas or things like
that, we would have absolute knowledge
[49:44] of of that going on which is if you let
me and things here. The second is with
[49:50] the boats in particular this this
goaround. The big part was that we
[49:55] actually caught them in the act and we
were able to identify them. If we don't
[49:59] have a system to do that, those and I if
I were to say if th if that had happened
[50:03] at 3:00 in the morning and we just
discovered those boats in the morning,
[50:07] they would have been abandoned. we
wouldn't have anything and we wouldn't
[50:10] have any any type of ability to even
correspond with the owner to the facial
[50:15] to any kind of driver's license to be
able to to affect, you know, the the the
[50:21] perpetrator. So, in in my mind, we have
the guy now. If we even see him again
[50:26] out there with boats, we have the
ability to track that. I think it's a
[50:30] it's a major advantage for us to have
have that. And I I personally, it's a
[50:35] discriminator for me. And I also look at
the cost is I I don't want us to compare
[50:41] 94 to 89 or 95 to 89 or 90 because
that's not the same number of of uh of
[50:49] uh actual cameras. It's it's actually
about 25% less 20 25% less for the
[50:55] Vicada. So I I really like those those
aspects. And the hard wire part too
[51:01] which is uh the you know the the flock
system is going to be solar. So any
[51:08] anything in regards to power anything
along that line and any winds is we've
[51:13] seen we've had issues with that. So my
my view is is having it hardwired having
[51:18] it in there. It allows for the
integrity. Uh it's it's cheaper and it
[51:24] has more uh scope. I even believe if I
remember with the flock they had trouble
[51:29] with some of the distance ones. The the
actual the actual precision of and the
[51:35] distance for reading even license plate
was better with verda verkad than with
[51:42] the flock system. And and in the
demonstration I also picked up that it
[51:46] was they it had trouble you know uh uh
sinking in real quickly. The ver vicad
[51:53] system was much quicker. So I I I
believe it's it's a major
[51:59] uh decrease in capability for the city
by going the flock system versus cate
[52:06] and I I actually wonder if it even says
we may even want to move to to that in
[52:10] in further activities because it is it
is things we are going to need.
[52:17] So, I like the flock LPR system because
it does coordinate or talk to other
[52:23] areas around here. And does
>> I think there's a huge advantage to
[52:26] that. But I was very impressed with the
Vicata system when they came. And I know
[52:30] » it's a little unfair cuz they came
first, but they came, they came strong,
[52:33] and I was extremely happy with what they
did. And then when I saw the price
[52:36] comparison, to me it was a a better deal
for something that I was impressed with.
[52:41] So, financially, Vicotta made more sense
to me. I'm still
[52:44] » the only the only other thing I'll add
in for council is um [clears throat] the
[52:48] verata cameras once that that's a
purchase of those cameras. The flock is
[52:54] a subscription service. If we have a
camera that goes down that they they'll
[52:58] replace it. If they upgrade their
systems, all our cameras get
[53:01] automatically replaced um without an
additional fee. Do
[53:05] » you just are you recommending flock
without the you know and that you don't
[53:08] you don't want the facial recognition?
>> I don't know anything about the facial
[53:12] recognition. And I don't know what the
database is where they're getting the
[53:14] facial recognition. I don't I don't know
the legalities. Um
[53:17] » but you're saying you'd recommend that
the additional cost for the flock over
[53:21] the ver recod system.
>> I I would like to see I would like to
[53:25] see us take the advantage of putting the
flock system in and seeing how that
[53:28] works in our Councilwoman Summer was
talking about the um the accuracy and
[53:35] the clarity. if we had those in our in
our city to see how they're actually
[53:38] working like as as we do with the Vicata
that we would have a comparison.
[53:42] » Paul, do you you share that?
>> Um, well, Steve mentioned that uh Flock
[53:49] asked if they could put uh the pilot
system, but uh the the one key thing is
[53:55] the facial recognition. It's it's I
would say it can track if like the mayor
[54:02] said if we have a pedophile that's
we know pedophile or someone stalking
[54:07] somebody soon as they hit our parks we
will know uh we will get a hit that they
[54:12] are in our parks and I think that was
one of the the big key things uh as far
[54:16] as the legalities I don't know um or but
um
[54:20] » so so we know Verata has that
information
[54:24] » we know they have a database of
pedophiles and their names. No sir. No
[54:28] sir.
>> Well then how's I think I'm trying to
[54:30] figure out are we talking technology or
the ability to actually put a name to a
[54:34] face.
>> Not a name just the face but not the
[54:38] information or the person.
>> You can't put a name to the face then
[54:41] they can't find a
>> ricotta hasn't talked to me about how
[54:43] they identify somebody what database. So
that that'd be something I'd like to
[54:47] research with them a little bit further.
Also the legalities of if we identify
[54:50] somebody in the charges
>> they will not provide it.
[54:52] » Flock will not flock will not. But once
you have the footage, you can then go do
[54:59] facial recognition. You can put it in a
in a in a in a safe legal system to go
[55:04] determine who that person is.
>> I also on the facial recognition want to
[55:10] understand more about how they store
like for example you mentioned James
[55:14] running in the park like are they
studying my face my children's faces
[55:18] like what all is being stored and how is
it used? I worry about just security of
[55:23] that in general.
Well, I mean, you're in public, so you
[55:27] have no privacy, right? So, you you
basically it's a one party consent in
[55:31] the state of Texas. So, if you're in
public, they can they can take a picture
[55:34] of you. So, you can't argue with that.
Now, u my issues and kind of to talk to
[55:38] a couple of things that were mentioned
here. Um the cost. I I like that it's a
[55:42] little bit cheaper with Vera. Um also,
we get access to um the waterways like
[55:46] Phil was saying. Um having them at the
fingertips, having them at the cove, uh
[55:50] I think with the measures that we're
taking on the water would be important
[55:53] for us. Um, I did have an issue with
flock. They kind of rubbed me the wrong
[55:57] way. Um, because I went back and looked
at that specific location that they
[56:00] mentioned. He made a statement that it
was like 2,000 ft. It was about 950 ft.
[56:05] Um, so it was about half the distance
and you're still not getting the
[56:08] quality. So I had a big issue with that.
Um, you know, and Lucy said that Betta
[56:13] came first and they and they, you know,
came strong. I will say that they came
[56:16] first and they came prepared. Um, they
knew what they were talking about. They
[56:19] were accurate with their reporting from
what I could tell. um with the facial uh
[56:23] recognition, like I said, you're in
public, they can take a picture of you.
[56:26] Um now, I don't anticipate that they're
going to have a database with all the
[56:29] pedophiles and and people's names, but
if you have accurate photos of someone's
[56:34] face,
>> cuz we had an instance with a previous
[56:37] council member, their child was, you
know, almost kidnapped at a park here in
[56:42] Nassau Bay. Um and if we had a photo of
that person's face, we could tag that.
[56:47] Um, and then we could come back, if that
person came back to the park again, we
[56:51] would be able to recognize that face.
And then great, we have flock system, we
[56:54] can track the vehicle that that person
was in, and we can see if that person
[56:57] comes back into our our [clears throat]
um our community. So, I think for me, I
[57:01] I think more coverage um more safety for
the community um and more ability for
[57:06] for the chief to have law enforcement
with regard to the fingerpove
[57:11] um is very important to me. I would I
would personally like to see Vicada.
[57:14] It's great that, you know, Flock would
be a system that we already have. Um,
[57:19] but I don't want to just go with the
system that we know. I' I'd rather go
[57:23] with the system that I believe is
better. So, that's that's my two cents.
[57:28] » My two cents here. Um, I know we've
covered a lot, but like Chase said, I
[57:32] think Bata was definitely the front
runner. They did come prepared. Um, I do
[57:35] like the facial recognition feature. The
fact that we had these boats out in the
[57:39] um the cove, I think that would have
come in extremely handy. Um, and then
[57:42] from a cost perspective, I and we're not
locked into this for life, so it's a
[57:46] three-year contract. If we get in there
and we don't like it, we can always have
[57:48] the ability to change. But to me,
Barcata was a clear front runner. My two
[57:52] cents.
>> Any other comments?
[57:56] » And then we have to remember about flock
that there's many other communities that
[57:59] also have flock. And so when there's a
perpetrator in another community, you
[58:04] know, our our flock system will pick up
if they're if this perpetrator is in our
[58:08] community. Whereas
>> we'll still have that. Yeah, we'll still
[58:10] have that through
>> just not just not in the parks in the
[58:14] areas. We're still having a flock,
>> right? We still have the flock, but I
[58:18] like I guess we won't have all the I
don't know the additional system. I
[58:21] don't know if that makes a difference or
not, but
[58:23] » I I don't I don't I don't think that the
uh different agencies share information,
[58:28] share the live videos,
>> okay,
[58:30] » like they do the the license plate
reader programs, okay,
[58:33] » um that shared because those are put in
the hot list and when those numbers come
[58:36] up. Um, so I I it's it's it's not
operating the same with with respect to
[58:42] sharing the information across the other
agencies and the other departments and
[58:45] stuff.
>> Okay. And Paul, I'm sorry you've been
[58:47] speaking very close to the microphone. I
didn't hear what you said as far as like
[58:50] the cost of what's the total cost of
>> uh you should have a put a packet on
[58:56] your desk. So the the total cost for
Vicotta
[59:00] with the four parks only is $69,844.85.
[59:06] uh to include [music] the Nassau Bay
Cove and the fingerprints is $89,856
[59:13] and flock safety for per year is 31,500
which come out to 94,500
[59:21] for the three-year period.
>> Apples include the waterways,
[59:25] » but that does not include the waterways.
>> I was disappointed that they didn't come
[59:28] with that as a full scope of the
project. Did
[59:31] » did we ask them?
>> We did. Have haven't we had these
[59:34] vericotta cameras up for like a couple
months now?
[59:38] » Yes, ma'am.
>> And how how are we liking them?
[59:41] » Uh so far they're good. I've been
sending uh council uh video footages and
[59:46] and good okay
>> uh pictures and stuff. I mean
[59:50] » uh everything that I've reviewed I mean
it looks good.
[59:56] » And Paul didn't Aren't there surrounding
cities that are using the ricotta system
[59:59] already?
>> Yes. just uh I believe he's working with
[1:00:03] Webster um I think Harris County parks
um uh there was like 10 surrounding
[1:00:12] surrounding parks beautiful cities I
have them off the top of my head yes
[1:00:15] ma'am
>> any other comments
[1:00:19] » yeah I would just like to caution
council about the facial recognition
[1:00:22] just because whatever Varcata's facial
recognition is um in identifying a
[1:00:27] vehicle or a boat or whatever and there
there's going to be some legality issues
[1:00:31] that that I'm not familiar with because
those are one of the reasons that Texas
[1:00:34] did away with the red light cameras. Um
because we have to we have to personally
[1:00:39] identify the person who's operating the
vehicle or the boat or the vessel or
[1:00:44] whatever. Um and I'm not sure that
facial recognition substitutes for that.
[1:00:49] Um I I don't know if Mr. Greg has any
experience in that or not, but
[1:00:52] » if I could just make a comment on that.
I think that the issue with the red
[1:00:55] light cameras were like you said, we
didn't know who was driving those
[1:00:58] vehicles. um it may have been registered
to somebody, but you don't necessarily
[1:01:01] have a photo of them. Facial recognition
is a little bit different in that it's
[1:01:04] not your vehicle. It's literally your
face. Um unless there is some kind of
[1:01:08] like mask or something that they're
trying to put on, [clears throat] which
[1:01:10] I would imagine you would likely be able
to tell um through a facial recognition.
[1:01:14] So, I mean, that would be my my
counterargument to the red light camera
[1:01:17] being a comparable situation.
[1:01:23] » Any other comments?
>> I guess I'd just like to ask, Mr. Greg,
[1:01:27] do you do you have any opinions on
facial recognition or any of that stuff?
[1:01:30] » I haven't had a chance to look at it. I
I don't know. I'm sure there be some
[1:01:35] issues, but it sounds it sounds to me
like it's distinguishable, but I'm not
[1:01:38] sure.
>> But we I mean, if there was something
[1:01:41] that there you could always turn it off.
It's still cheaper.
[1:01:47] » Well, then any other comments? Any other
>> Yeah, just just it it says it will allow
[1:01:52] for it. So, like what you said, I would
imagine we could turn off that feature.
[1:01:55] » Yeah.
Then I'd ask for a motion.
[1:02:02] » I would move to approve and authorize
the city manager to exe execute a
[1:02:06] contract for cameras in the waterways
and city parks with Vicada.
[1:02:09] » Do we hear a second? Second by Ashley.
Any other comments?
[1:02:15] I'm going to call for the vote. All
those in favor?
[1:02:20] All those not?
>> Passes four to three.
[1:02:29] Okay, next is the
uh council input and discussion and
[1:02:36] possible action. Uh this is probably
more for discussion, but uh regarding
[1:02:40] emergency response on the waterways. You
know what, this is something Paul and I
[1:02:46] wanted to put on this because it was
really wanted to get the feel from from
[1:02:49] council.
One of the things that was probably the
[1:02:54] most frustrating is having people
continue to do activities out on the
[1:03:00] water and our ability to, you know, our
lack of ability to be able to do
[1:03:06] anything. I mean, uh, uh, there was some
some ability to try to do with
[1:03:11] spotlights or anything like that, but
but they kept proceeding even though we
[1:03:15] had police out there with with Q beams
and doing stuff. It was just it was even
[1:03:20] there I even asked talked to one of the
officers and they they were there saying
[1:03:24] well there's we don't we don't have
anything we don't want to bring the big
[1:03:27] boat out because of we've got to get
everything coordinated and we don't have
[1:03:31] anything to be able to actually respond
when we see something illegal happening
[1:03:37] on the water right in our waterways. So
the the question was and and this was
[1:03:42] also for for the chief, you know, what
are things that we should be looking at
[1:03:46] to see how we can respond other than
bringing out the big safety boat and uh
[1:03:52] and and that because that takes that
takes, you know, time and it's also a
[1:03:56] big expense and it usually relies on our
our volunteer fire department. What are
[1:04:01] what are some of the things here? Paul,
I don't know if you wanted to add
[1:04:04] anything to that or
[1:04:08] » um it it was mentioned about uh drone a
drone uh possibly. Um I'm reaching out
[1:04:15] to some some companies to see if that's
something they could look at. Um I know
[1:04:20] the surrounding cities are looking at uh
some things on the water also. uh what
[1:04:28] kind of what is say
>> some some other cities are looking at
[1:04:31] some type of uh the vessels and and what
to do about different types of things.
[1:04:36] So um it's it's a big discussion with
the other cities right now. Um but you
[1:04:41] know one is is maybe a possibly uh if
this is something that we want to
[1:04:45] discuss and budget uh uh to purchase
another boat or a drone or something
[1:04:51] like that. I mean,
>> any any any thoughts here from
[1:04:55] » what does a drone bias? Can we use drone
footage for is that illegal?
[1:05:00] » That that's something that uh they're
looking into right now. A company I'm
[1:05:04] working with is looking into it cuz it's
kind of new. Uh not the drone, but the
[1:05:10] footage and you know, if it's going to
be some kind of lights and then the you
[1:05:14] know have to get you from the manpower,
how that's going to work out and all
[1:05:18] that. So,
>> but I mean I mean I what I don't
[1:05:20] understand with a drone is I I I get
certain parts of it which is you're no
[1:05:27] longer standing at the edgeway. You
actually have a tool that would put you
[1:05:33] within 10 ft, right? But it's still
cameras. It's still things like that.
[1:05:38] You could have a a a verbal exchange. I
don't know if that buys anything for for
[1:05:44] you from this. I I I think it could, but
I I don't know.
[1:05:51] I have I don't I don't know, mayor, and
I'll be honest with council. This is
[1:05:54] first I'm hearing a discussion about
having a drone and using it for anything
[1:05:57] like that. Um hasn't been discussed. So
again, we'd have to be looking at
[1:06:02] legalities, how things operate. I will
tell you that the incident the other a
[1:06:06] week and a half ago, two weeks ago,
whatever it was, um that night there
[1:06:10] [clears throat] was a there was a a cold
front coming through the northern um I
[1:06:13] did talk to Tom George and he and I made
the decision for officer safety and the
[1:06:17] fire to p personnel safety. There was no
life or or limb endangerment going on
[1:06:22] out on the waters at that time for us to
put the water in
[1:06:24] » sledgehammer for for drivers.
>> So yeah, so I mean we made the decision
[1:06:29] we weren't putting the boat in the water
for off for the safety of our personnel
[1:06:32] to go out there. I mean, look, look at
what happened last week just over in
[1:06:35] Texas City. They, you know, they were in
a life and death situation with a boat
[1:06:38] out in the water. Same situation up
front coming through and they lo they
[1:06:41] had their boat overturned and they had
six firefighters go in the water that
[1:06:44] ended up in the hospital. So, for that
decision, you know, that was our
[1:06:48] decision as an operational thing that
that it wasn't worth just to find out
[1:06:52] who's out there with the boats. We had
identified those boats previously. I'd
[1:06:57] been working with those boats, at least
the big blue one, since October the 8th.
[1:07:01] So, this was something that we were
going on. We already had identified or
[1:07:04] thought we had identified the owners of
that boat. Um, then the other three
[1:07:08] boats came up. We actually um I did end
up coming out at midnight, 12:30 in the
[1:07:12] morning. Sergeant Bane was already
talking to the wife of the uh because we
[1:07:16] had the information on the on the van.
Um he was talking to the wife of the
[1:07:20] gentleman who was on the boat. We spoke
with him by speaker phone, identified
[1:07:23] him and all three of the um boats that
were there. I went over to his house the
[1:07:27] next morning, talked to him, advised him
about our city ordinance that boats
[1:07:30] needed to be moved. Of course, the water
was going down. He was able to get one
[1:07:34] of those out by Wednesday evening.
Obviously, Thursday, if anybody went out
[1:07:37] there and looked to the bigger boat was
still in the water, the other two boats
[1:07:41] were laying on their side because they
were basically beached because the water
[1:07:44] was so low. Um, but once that water rose
next morning on Friday, again, I asked
[1:07:49] him for a timeline. He didn't give us
timeline, went out there, we filed
[1:07:52] charges on him, and those boats were
moved by that evening. But but we also
[1:07:55] know that one of those boats is on the
creek side now. It's in Galveston
[1:07:59] County. It's not in our jurisdiction,
but that's that's what kind of no man's
[1:08:03] land and it's still and it's still
there.
[1:08:06] » Yeah. It's kind of in in that no man's
land triangular area over there.
[1:08:09] » So, and and that's outside our
jurisdiction and I know that uh Lake
[1:08:14] City is looking at spearheading some
kind of talks with all of the uh
[1:08:20] agencies and cities around the lake. My
my suggestion here would be I mean you
[1:08:27] you you've made it you've expressed it
you know concern like with a jet ski or
[1:08:31] something like that particular if only
one officer goes out there that there's
[1:08:34] safety issues there.
>> Absolutely.
[1:08:36] » Right. I get that. You know, I I also am
very concerned that, you know, with, you
[1:08:41] know, regardless even those the safety
things there, I have I' I've crossed the
[1:08:47] bridge where I I really don't want to
put our volunteer fire department out in
[1:08:52] enforcement type activities, too. I I
think that's really putting them in a
[1:08:57] place we don't want them. That's not
their role. That's not their job. So
[1:09:02] just just like you know we did with the
with the uh the cameras and things like
[1:09:07] that for the vandalism that we saw in
the parks we came here. Can can we ask
[1:09:11] you to kind of like look at that
benchmark what other people are doing
[1:09:15] because you know there's there's nothing
more frustrating for you know I'll say
[1:09:20] for me to see your guys out there trying
to flag down and people flipping you
[1:09:24] guys the bird saying you know you can't
get me and and we we we have to have
[1:09:30] something better than than that than
just Q beams from the side. We I I can
[1:09:35] check. I know League City's looking at
in
[1:09:39] enhancing their enforcement, but 90% of
what they're looking at is within their
[1:09:43] marinas and uh not necessarily out in
the middle of the lake or out in the
[1:09:48] middle of the cove or out in the middle
of the creek. They're dealing with
[1:09:51] they're dealing with other issues within
their marinas. I know Seabbrook has
[1:09:54] issues with th you know, with people
living on their boats out there that are
[1:09:59] anchored out there off of Seabbrook and
and and that's a big problem. And I've
[1:10:02] talked to the chief over there and Well,
they don't have they don't have an
[1:10:05] answer for that.
>> I would really like from the police
[1:10:07] perspective just to say if we you know
what would we need to be able to enhance
[1:10:12] our ability to intervene and and be able
to do things if we particularly if we
[1:10:18] see something that needs immediate, you
know, immediate response. You know, you
[1:10:22] can talk about if there's, you know,
just any reasons other than, you know,
[1:10:26] looking at at getting the the big boat
out.
[1:10:29] » We we can research it. Again, it goes
back to manpower again. So we have two
[1:10:33] officers working and not going to put
one officer out, you know, on a boat or
[1:10:37] anything by themselves. I'm not going to
take two officers off the street and put
[1:10:40] them on a boat and have nobody on, you
know, the rest of the city. So again,
[1:10:43] we're talking about a manpower issue
either also. So, but we can we can
[1:10:47] research it and see what the other
>> because I'd really like from y'all if
[1:10:50] you would like to say, hey, from your
team to say, hey, what what what are
[1:10:53] some things we could do more than, you
know, being at the edge of the water?
[1:10:58] And and that's as far as we go.
We can look into it. I don't know what
[1:11:02] other people think.
>> No, I I agree. Um because being out in
[1:11:05] the open water or being out in Clear
Lake adjacent to Nassau Bay is
[1:11:08] definitely different than coming in
where within the city limits of Nassau
[1:11:12] Bay.
>> Correct.
[1:11:13] » Um and I do have a question. So if if
there's a crime on my street and you can
[1:11:18] use my Ring camera for that, can you use
a private drone footage for a crime
[1:11:22] within Nassau Bay city limits on the
water? So private drones, there's part
[1:11:25] of the Texas part of the Texas statute
that says that that uh it is a violation
[1:11:30] of state law to use a drone for uh
surveillance purposes.
[1:11:34] » So we'd have to have stationary cameras
to
[1:11:36] » unless part of his law
>> Oh, unless it's part of his law
[1:11:39] enforcement. Okay.
>> Yeah. Law enforcement had obviously
[1:11:42] different different guidance.
>> My view would be as far and I do use a
[1:11:45] big big honking drone with you know
Nassau baby. No, but we [laughter]
[1:11:50] already have great.
>> But your question was about private
[1:11:53] drones. And I I would I would say no
because it that that doesn't fit the
[1:11:56] statute and it actually violates the
statute using private drones for
[1:12:00] surveillance.
>> Right.
[1:12:02] » So just because it's a drone, not
because it's private, because a ring
[1:12:05] camera would count,
>> right? Ring ring cameras. Yeah. Those if
[1:12:09] there's footage on there that enhances
us and we've we've used those before.
[1:12:13] » Yeah. Oh, but yeah.
I think what the issue is the ring
[1:12:18] camera is catching like a public street
like it's just recording what's
[1:12:22] happening in front of it. A drone is
going like into someone's backyard and
[1:12:25] then that becomes a Fourth Amendment
issue. Um if they're going to use it,
[1:12:28] it's an offense if the if a private
citizen is doing it. That's under the
[1:12:32] statute what the chief is saying. But I
think
[1:12:34] » if you and my concern with using the
drone as compared to like cameras facing
[1:12:39] the public is that it could trigger some
issues with an unlawful search.
[1:12:44] » Yeah. Okay. I'm just curious. Thank you.
>> Any any other comments? Are people okay
[1:12:49] with that?
[1:12:53] » Okay. With what?
>> Okay.
[1:12:55] » You know, having him take a look at it,
come back with benchmarks and and make
[1:12:58] some recommendations.
>> Yeah, I would definitely want to see
[1:13:00] what the parameters are going to be
like. If it's going to be specifically
[1:13:03] used like for the cove when it's like
dangerous weather outside, that's
[1:13:06] probably not an issue. But if it's
something the police department who's
[1:13:09] going to car launch use, I would have an
issue with that.
[1:13:12] » But I mean, I I I used just like with
the cameras, it started off with them
[1:13:16] with the police looking at the different
things and and I'd really like to
[1:13:19] understand that cuz I I really don't
want to have the volunteer fire
[1:13:23] department on enforcement.
>> I can do some research with the other
[1:13:26] agencies and see what they're doing. you
know, some of the agencies,
[1:13:30] » Lake View PD, KMA PD, they don't even
have they don't have any boats.
[1:13:34] » So,
>> interesting.
[1:13:35] » You know, it just depends on different
agencies and but we we'll see if anybody
[1:13:40] has any
>> if anybody has any magic
[1:13:43] if if any of the other agencies have any
magic bullets or, you know, something
[1:13:47] that we can use, you know, that they're
that,
[1:13:49] » you know, other than, you know, from the
shoreline at at that particular time.
[1:13:54] » Okay.
>> So, drones are also limited due to the
[1:13:56] weather and stuff like that, too. So, it
depends on the cost and you know how
[1:14:00] much we want to spend on a drone. So,
but we'll look into it.
[1:14:03] » Okay.
>> Okay,
[1:14:04] » that works.
>> And thank you for sending like going out
[1:14:07] to the house and trying to figure out
who these people are. It's really
[1:14:09] appreciated.
>> Yeah, we had we had I thought we had
[1:14:13] identified the the owners of a couple
that were living in Seabbrook, but we
[1:14:17] didn't have actual addresses and then we
found out later on that it was actually
[1:14:21] somebody ownership here in in Nassau
Bay. So,
[1:14:24] » you lived in Nassau Bay?
>> I'm sorry. the people in the the lady in
[1:14:28] the van lives in Nassau Bay.
>> Mhm.
[1:14:32] » Yes, ma'am.
>> Go get her.
[1:14:35] So, thank you.
>> Thank you.
[1:14:38] All right. Next is consideration and
possible actions. This is a first
[1:14:43] reading of an ordinance uh 2025-1112-1-
[1:14:49] an ordinance amending ordinance number
uh 02020-793
[1:14:56] of the city council of the city of
Nassau Bay, Texas to amend chapter 9
[1:15:00] health and sanitary health and
sanitation article 1 in general section
[1:15:05] 9-1 neglected or deteriorated vessels by
clarifying the the definition of
[1:15:12] offender and the addition of another
condition, precedent. And uh this this
[1:15:17] is basically just out of the the the
incident that we had. Uh I think Dick
[1:15:23] Greg was our our city council was uh
councelor was uh uh asked if there's
[1:15:28] ways in which we can uh tighten our
ordinance just to be able to provide
[1:15:33] even more uh uh support for the police
and and tightening up because the end of
[1:15:41] the day if we had ended up with these
four vessels it would have been an
[1:15:46] extraordinarily expensive you know uh
impact on uh on the city. So, anything
[1:15:52] that we could do to uh to tighten that
is what was asked of the uh city
[1:15:57] attorney,
>> which is what we did. Whether owned or
[1:16:00] not, it clarifies it.
It was already on the books, but it
[1:16:04] worked as as it was written, but this
makes it a little clearer.
[1:16:08] » So, I think you ought to do it.
>> You want to you want to specifically,
[1:16:13] you know, you got it in the yellow,
right?
[1:16:14] » Yeah. The yellow the yellow portion says
whether owner by that person or not. It
[1:16:18] just it basically deals with an offender
who is a person who permits the the
[1:16:23] unmanned vessel, whoever owns it. And
that's where that's what that's for.
[1:16:28] » Yep.
>> So, what does this currently do for us?
[1:16:30] Whether I mean, I know we're adding the
whether owned by a person or not, but
[1:16:34] how do we currently use or how can we
currently use this?
[1:16:38] » Well, you still have to know who that
person is, whether they're the owner or
[1:16:42] not the owner. You you need the
ownership alone. Just like if your car
[1:16:46] was stolen and something happened to it,
it wouldn't be your fault if you didn't
[1:16:50] do the stealing. So the same problem
with the boat. We got to we got to
[1:16:53] identify who who's the culprit, who the
offender is. This does make it clear you
[1:16:58] don't have to be the owner. So, so what
has become a trend out on the water is
[1:17:04] that people leave boats in marinas that
are abandoned and then the marina owners
[1:17:10] who are not the owner of the boats want
to get rid of the boats and they bring
[1:17:14] them out and they abandon them in public
areas like
[1:17:19] » like the cove. There's there's a number
of them out on Clear Lake. It's a
[1:17:23] problem. of things going on here. And to
to me, that's a that's a minimum of what
[1:17:29] what we should do is to make sure that
we're not just going after the owner. We
[1:17:32] want the perpetrator. And the
perpetrator
[1:17:36] is more than likely not going to be the
owner in what we've seen with the
[1:17:39] » often it's not.
>> Often it's not.
[1:17:42] » So, I guess I expected this to result in
a fine or some kind of what what's the
[1:17:47] result of violating this ordinance?
>> Well, the court can set the fine for the
[1:17:52] highest amount allowed by law. It's up
to the court
[1:17:54] » which is what
>> depends on depends on the violation but
[1:17:58] it's typically uh
it would be it would be up to in one
[1:18:03] instance 200 right
>> uh I'd have to look at it there are
[1:18:07] certain exceptions to the 2000 the the
2000 maximum fine that has to deal with
[1:18:12] health and safety um and some other
things um so
[1:18:15] » which is why we were maximum law because
it depends on how it comes into the
[1:18:19] court charge let me ask the question
here is with abandoned boats with no
[1:18:23] lights, wouldn't that be a safety and be
maximum penalty?
[1:18:26] » That would be the argument.
Is that what we did with this last one?
[1:18:31] » No, we we file we filed this particular
ordinance is what we filed for the uh
[1:18:35] derelict and um neglected vessels. Um no
lighting and stuff like that would come.
[1:18:41] You
>> file that as a part of a ticket?
[1:18:43] » Yeah,
>> it was filed with the court. Yes, it's
[1:18:45] cited and filed with the court.
>> That's pending right now. It's it is
[1:18:49] pending and and then it'll be it'll be
up to the judge to make the decision.
[1:18:53] Judge Williamson will
>> find it have in here the safety aspects
[1:18:56] of it versus just the derelic side of
it.
[1:18:59] » It has the maximum allowed by law and
that then it just says if you leave it
[1:19:02] abandoned it's a violation. It's up to
the court to determine how it fits.
[1:19:06] Yeah, I'm very sure what you safety
>> you you mentioned that there were
[1:19:10] different categories
>> and that the maximum is safety and I was
[1:19:16] looking at this was to me is an obvious
safety. I'm not sure that's actually
[1:19:20] what happened.
>> Yeah, that would be up that would be up
[1:19:23] to Judge Williamson to decide if it if
it was eligible for that $2,000 maximum
[1:19:28] because there's that's not every class C
misdemeanor.
[1:19:30] » Not every one of them doesn't fit
>> doesn't fit into that. as as part of our
[1:19:33] as part of what when you file that, do
you do you state safety issues or
[1:19:38] anything along that line or how how
would she
[1:19:41] » was in the police department or what?
>> Yeah, our police department with when we
[1:19:44] when
>> we we just filed the charge. We just
[1:19:46] filed the charge.
>> You don't have any any information about
[1:19:49] safety issues or anything like that? How
how would she even know there was a
[1:19:52] safety issue?
the ordinance itself, the the language
[1:19:56] in the ordinance, whether it fits in to
the to the portion of the state code
[1:20:01] that allows the $2,000 maximum. Not
every not every charges in in the
[1:20:05] municipal court,
>> but if the evidence presented, and I'll
[1:20:08] defer to our the two lawyers, but if if
the evidence doesn't suggest there's
[1:20:12] safety issues, how would a judge know
there's a safety to by
[1:20:16] » the language by the language of the I'm
sorry, Mr. Greg, go ahead.
[1:20:19] » That's all right. It would be what
evidence presented at the time of the
[1:20:22] charge, too.
will be presented in court on that at
[1:20:25] that time. So my question was that
presented with this to have safety
[1:20:29] issues
>> not necessarily violation.
[1:20:32] » The the charge was filed just as the
ordinance violation
[1:20:35] » as a violation of this violation.
>> But was there any information
[1:20:39] done where it indicated the safety
aspects
[1:20:43] » that would be Can I interrupt for a
second? When you write a citation when
[1:20:46] you write a ticket right you g you gave
him a citation correct? Mhm.
[1:20:50] » And so when you detail on the ticket,
you say um so and so did not mor their
[1:20:55] vessel or what whatever or so and so
violation of city ordinance. Uh
[1:21:00] » but then with the statute with the U
section and then the title of the
[1:21:04] offense,
>> but you might write in there.
[1:21:07] » I mean on class E citations I've seen
there is a place where you can detail
[1:21:10] what happened
>> like there is space.
[1:21:14] » Not not normally when it's filed with
the court.
[1:21:18] So they so Holly wouldn't know if
nobody, you know, was there that there
[1:21:22] would be a safety issue because we just
we just did this and some boats were out
[1:21:26] on our water.
>> Right. She she she would set the fine
[1:21:32] not for the individual offenses, but for
the statute or or the ordinance itself.
[1:21:38] Mhm.
>> And she would have to look at all the
[1:21:40] language in the ordinance to determine
whether that where that would fit in her
[1:21:45] fine window or h how would we how can we
arm her better? Cuz I I I can't think of
[1:21:52] anything more dangerous than four boats
in the middle of a cove which can have
[1:21:57] up to 150 people in it. And you know
when in the in the peak where people are
[1:22:02] trying to drive at night sometimes if
it's if it's empty it's even worse cuz
[1:22:06] people even though we have a no wake
will go through there 30 40 mph.
[1:22:11] » Well I guess I'm not being clear enough.
It's not the language of the individual
[1:22:16] charge for the individual incident. It's
the language of the ordinance how it's
[1:22:22] written. And then there's a maximum
usually the the class C the charges
[1:22:28] filed in the city court are maximum of
$500 fine. There's a there's there are a
[1:22:33] couple of sections or a couple of
caveats where they can be up to 2,000
[1:22:38] but it has to be
>> but it has to be
[1:22:41] » it has to fit within certain criteria
within the statute
[1:22:44] » and then that has to be determined by
the court. Does it fit?
[1:22:47] » That's what I was wondering. Does it
have anything to do with how do we
[1:22:51] » instance? How do we help you be able to
cuz I I would want it to be very clear
[1:22:56] to a judge without any ambiguity
>> because language is already in the
[1:23:00] ordinance.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I don't think you want to be
[1:23:02] too specific because then you limit
yourself to what you can charge people.
[1:23:06] » Exactly. Right. I I get that. But at the
same time, I don't what I what I
[1:23:10] understand is what I heard, and maybe I
heard it wrong,
[1:23:14] » was that h our judge, Holly William,
Judge Williamson, wouldn't have the data
[1:23:20] to be able to say whether there was a
safety issue or not, she'd have the
[1:23:26] facts of the case itself.
>> So, so when the judge sets a fine, so
[1:23:30] let's let's
and I don't want to speak for the judge,
[1:23:33] and Mr. Greg, correct me if I'm wrong.
So, let's say running a red light. The
[1:23:37] judge sets a fine for running a red
light, uh, a window fine. If somebody
[1:23:41] wants to come in and pay it with the
court without having to come to court,
[1:23:45] they can pay that fine. Uh, they can
mail it in or pay it at the window or
[1:23:48] whatever. She sets that fine. Not
because
[1:23:53] Mr. Jones ran a red light and nobody was
around or Mr. Jones ran a red light and
[1:23:57] there was, you know, full traffic. She
doesn't take that into account. She
[1:24:01] takes into account the offense as it's
written and what's in the offense.
[1:24:05] » But but I I would look at a different
analogy that would better describe
[1:24:08] because that's just a one criteria. I
look at speeding. If you have a speeding
[1:24:12] ordinance, but then we have reckless
driving, which is 20 mph over the speed
[1:24:19] limit. You don't say what the speed
limit is and just say speeding. How
[1:24:23] would somebody know to do a reckless
driving other than what is cited?
[1:24:27] » Reckless. Reckless driving is is a whole
separate separate offense from charge
[1:24:31] from.
>> So let me ask you this is do you do you
[1:24:34] feel and that and again that's why I was
really that the safety aspect to drive a
[1:24:40] a higher penalty just like reckless
driving is a higher penalty is
[1:24:47] identified in this ordinance so that the
judge would be able to see the
[1:24:50] difference between a reckless driver and
a speeder.
[1:24:55] » Yes. the the information the information
is already written in the language of
[1:24:58] the ordinance.
>> Okay.
[1:24:59] » There.
>> Okay.
[1:25:04] » Is there a time factor to this? So, if
you put a boat out for 30 days, is it
[1:25:09] the same penalty as one day?
>> 48 hours.
[1:25:13] » My understanding is it's 48 hours and
it's an offense for every day you leave
[1:25:16] » every 48 48 hours and
>> every day. So, the way it reads is it
[1:25:20] says for 48 hours. That's the the change
in number eight. And then if you look at
[1:25:25] the um penalty itself at the end of that
says each day of violation shall be
[1:25:29] deemed a separate offense. So I think
once you hit that 48 hours every single
[1:25:33] day you're committing a new offense out
there.
[1:25:36] » So on Friday when the gentleman was
issued a citation
[1:25:40] » when I met with him at his house and
issued a citation.
[1:25:45] » I announced that this is your first
citation
[1:25:49] that every day was a separate violation.
Those boats were moved by Friday
[1:25:53] evening. I bet that's right. That's how
it should be. So, let me and um from
[1:25:59] here that 48 hours or we weren't 48
hours. How were you able to to do that
[1:26:04] within the 48 hours or is there
something we need to help you with with
[1:26:07] that?
>> My understanding is it takes 48 hours of
[1:26:11] a duration in order for the first
trigger for that. But we were able to
[1:26:16] » No, for the for the for the ordinance,
the der neglected
[1:26:20] » for the presumption of abandonment.
>> The presumption. Yeah, sure.
[1:26:24] » That ordinance, that ordinance wasn't
dealing anything with it wasn't dealing
[1:26:28] anything with abandonment. It was
dealing with the condition of boat and
[1:26:31] the registration and that's what we were
working on doing verifying the
[1:26:35] registration.
>> Not abandoned but unmanned and and left
[1:26:37] there for 48 hours.
>> Not not focusing on
[1:26:42] » I was focusing on on the condition of
the boat and the last
[1:26:45] » the last element on there is is proper
registration and that boat's not
[1:26:49] properly registered. No question. Or lit
or anything like that at night.
[1:26:53] » Yeah. When when you when these boats get
um you know left there, do you see like
[1:26:57] the registration all that stripped off
>> sometimes? Yeah. Okay.
[1:27:01] » Yeah. We cannibalize them a lot.
>> Yeah.
[1:27:04] » Yeah. I represent See Shipyard and they
run into that problem a lot.
[1:27:08] » Yeah.
>> One of one of the one of the two boats
[1:27:11] that we we ended up taking uh out of the
water last year. Uh, one of the two
[1:27:15] boats did not have proper TX number and
we had to get the uh we had to get the
[1:27:19] um uh marine um
North Northstar Marine where we had the
[1:27:25] boat stored. We had to get them to get
us the whole number off of the uh veh
[1:27:28] off the vessel so we could identify it.
>> So, so this ordinance is allowing you to
[1:27:33] do what you did, you know, with it not
being properly registered and all these
[1:27:37] other things. And then on top of that,
if someone just goes and parks a boat
[1:27:40] out there for 48 hours, that then gives
you the ability to enforce this or do
[1:27:44] some
>> Not as it stands now. No,
[1:27:46] » that's what I'm saying. Like that's what
it it reads right now. The new addition
[1:27:48] that number eight.
>> Not not what's currently on there.
[1:27:52] » No, no, no, not what's currently on
there. Yeah.
[1:27:54] » Okay.
>> Okay.
[1:27:56] » Um I have one comment. What if someone
was to secure their vessel to the city
[1:28:03] docks off Upper Bay Road? Brian Brown,
>> that's not an anchor point. So then we
[1:28:08] have to think about maybe we need to say
or secures to any object.
[1:28:15] » Did you hear from Brian Brown?
>> Yes. He's concerned about that.
[1:28:18] » He he cuz when when uh cuz I I directed
him about his maritime committee and
[1:28:24] they talked and I'm and I'm glad you
raised that is uh they didn't want the
[1:28:30] now city-owned fingerps. They used to be
homeowners owned things, but they're now
[1:28:36] city-owned. And how this ordinance
applies to those finger finger peers on
[1:28:41] Upper Bay Road.
>> Doesn't number eight cover that cuz it's
[1:28:44] not a private slip or private dock.
>> Well, they're not private anymore.
[1:28:48] » Yeah, they're not.
>> So, [clears throat] it's unmanned and
[1:28:50] left secured to an anchor point, not
located in a private slip or dock.
[1:28:54] » So, that [clears throat] is a public
slip. So, just to make sure it's cuz I
[1:28:59] » Okay. What about a tree
>> that I think
[1:29:02] » on the peninsula?
>> It's not private.
[1:29:04] » It's not a private dock.
>> Yeah. So, if it's not anchored to a
[1:29:06] private dock or a private slip. So, if
it's anchored to the finger piers, which
[1:29:10] is public, or to a tree, that is not a
private slip or a private dock, and it
[1:29:13] would fall under that.
>> Is that considered an anchor point? I
[1:29:16] don't really know. Is it like you
anchor? Anywhere you anchor that you
[1:29:19] just tie, that's an anchor point. I
don't know the boat verbiage. So, okay.
[1:29:28] What? No, I think it's Yeah,
as long as that's covered, I'm I'm I'm
[1:29:35] good.
>> I think and also with with it being a
[1:29:39] tree or something of that sort, I think
that might fall under number four, it's
[1:29:43] has broken loose or is in danger of
breaking loose from its anchor point.
[1:29:46] And if it's not really or from its
anchor, if if it's tied to a to a tree,
[1:29:49] I think that that would be in danger of
breaking loose. So, would potentially
[1:29:53] fall under that.
Yep.
[1:29:56] » This is just a first reading, right?
>> This is just a first reading.
[1:30:00] » Yep.
>> But how And also, how do we prove that
[1:30:02] someone's been off of this boat for 48
hours? [clears throat]
[1:30:06] » Well, it' be great to have cameras out
there. [laughter]
[1:30:09] » I don't know.
>> I mean, we've also we could be strict
[1:30:13] enough that we say you can't be anchored
or docked or whatever in Nassau Bay on a
[1:30:18] non-private anything overnight.
>> We want to take it a step further. I'm
[1:30:23] not saying you want to do I mean I don't
know if you want to do I don't think
[1:30:26] because we're still a recreational thing
and if somebody's out there if you got a
[1:30:30] properly motorized
registered lit boat with with all your
[1:30:38] safety gear and everything like that you
should be able to anchor
[1:30:42] in the cove.
>> Agreed. But can I anchor outside your
[1:30:46] house for 3 weeks? You can you can
there's there's uh certain limits as to
[1:30:53] how far they can be to a fixed fixed
sense and as long as they're outside
[1:30:58] that whatever. Yeah. Then they should be
they do.
[1:31:00] » Okay. But don't leave your boat for more
than 48 hours.
[1:31:03] » But you don't leave your boat more than
48 hours.
[1:31:05] » Uncrude.
But but it has to be a functioning boat
[1:31:09] too,
>> right?
[1:31:12] » Okay. That's what we want.
>> Yeah. These are these are neglected or
[1:31:15] deteriorating.
>> Correct. Correct.
[1:31:17] » Correct. Just throw that out there.
>> No, I think that's good. So, what I'm
[1:31:22] hearing is this is holding up. We got
the one the uh the change identified by
[1:31:27] the uh city attorney and hold this over
to a second reading.
[1:31:32] » Correct.
>> And move on.
[1:31:36] » Okay.
Then with that, I want us to move into
[1:31:41] executive session. It is uh 8:20. The
city council will now hold a closed
[1:31:46] executive session pursuant to the
provision of chapter 551
[1:31:50] uh Texas Government Code in accordance
with the authority contained in one
[1:31:55] section 551-087
Texas Government Code to deliberate
[1:32:00] regarding economic development
negotiations and two section 551-071
[1:32:06] the Texas government code consultation
with attorney close meeting on a matter
[1:32:09] in which the duty of the attorney to the
government body under the Texas display
[1:32:13] rules or professional conduct of the
state bar of Texas clearly confessects
[1:32:17] with this charter or chapter. It is
again 8:21. What?
[3:26:56] is 10:16 and we are back in open
session. Do I hear a motion? Move to
[3:27:02] ajourn. Second.
>> Do I have the vote? All those in favor?
[3:27:07] Passes. 7 nothing. Maria, do
>> you want to make a post?