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Good evening.

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This is the April 7th meeting of the finance committee.

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Let's start with a tech check. Can everybody online hear us?

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Get a thumbs up? Alright, I see Kat. See Bruce.

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All right, thank you very much.

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We, between the people in the room

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and online, we do have a quorum present,

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but let's start with a quick roll

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call. Dirk

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Here in person.

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David here From a remote

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Undisclosed. Patricia.

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Present. I'm Zoom. Donna.

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Present Grace.

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Present remotely. Jean?

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Here Remotely. Kat?

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Here. Remotely. Julian? Present. Matt?

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Here. Richard? Here in person. Gary.

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Now I see Gary's joining,

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so he's at a Alright, we'll come back to that.

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And I'm here in person. So that's one.

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Looks like we have 12 to start.

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Alright, as I mentioned, this is the April 7th meeting

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of the finance committee.

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This meeting is being recorded

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and is being broadcast by Pegasus.

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Do we have any announcements? I have one quick one.

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If nothing else. We have a new member, Dr.

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Donna Mackenzie has joined us

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as a member of the finance committee. So welcome.

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Thank you very much. I look forward to working with you.

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Alright, we'll see what we can do about that.

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All. Any other announcements we

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Have ways?

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Any other announcements either from people

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online or in the room?

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All right. Scene. None.

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All right, we'll move on to public speak.

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Public speaks at a time at which an individual may raise an

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issue under the finance committee's purview

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that is not included on the agenda.

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Be taken under advisement.

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There'll be no opportunity for debate

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during this portion of the meeting.

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Section of the agenda is limited to 15 minutes

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and any individual addressing the committee

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will shall be limited to three minutes.

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Do we have anybody wishing for public speak this evening?

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Anybody in the room? Anybody online?

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All right, moving on.

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We have two items

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that we're hearing tonight under

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discussion decisions and votes.

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These should be the last two items

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that were taking up before town meeting.

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You want a motion to open the

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Hearing?

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Motion to open please. So moved.

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Second. Second. Okay. Roll call.

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Vote on opening the meeting. The public hearing rather Dirk.

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Aye. David?

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Aye. Patricia. Aye. Donna? Aye.

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Grace. Aye. Jean?

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Yes. Kat?

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Yes. Julian? Yes. Matt? Yes. Richard?

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Yes. Gary?

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He's not back yet.

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Alright. And I'm a Yes. Alright then.

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So the first item this evening is Article 14,

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which is an article to amend town bylaw article 50,

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section 50, section 16, which deals with animal control.

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We previously heard this

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and recommended a referral back to the sponsor

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so that they could work on it.

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They've done what we've asked. They've brought it back.

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So I'll take a motion to reconsider. So

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Moved.

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Second. Just a a point of order.

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Could we have a reading into the record of the initial vote?

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Used for a motion to reconsider, I think has to come from

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It was 13 0, 0. It, it, it was unanimous. Oh, okay.

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For referral. The next, the next one, the next one.

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That may become germane too,

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but we have somebody in the prevailing side

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that will make the motion In any case,

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I already think and I, I, I made the motion to refer

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and stated at the time

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that if it came back I'd be happy to make the motion to

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Reconsider.

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Well, even I can follow the, the math of 13 zero. So.

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Alright. Did we have a second on the motion

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to reconsider several?

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Okay. Alright then on the motion to reconsider article 14,

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Dirk Aye.

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David, David? No.

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Aye. Patricia. Aye.

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Donna Aye. Grace.

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Aye. Julian. Aye. Matt? Yes. Richard?

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Yes. Gary, you back? Yep.

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Hi. Yeah. Computer? Yep.

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No, we, we saw you rejoining, so, okay. And I'm, yes.

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Alright, so article 14, previous votes, previous discussions

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wiped away by Reconsiderations.

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So we're starting anew.

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Let me see if, since I'm kind of here on my,

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alright, let me share

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All right, this is the matter before us this evening

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and presenter this evening,

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or our who will answer our questions this evening is Chief

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Hicks welcome.

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Alright, has everybody on the committee had an opportunity

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to read through this revised article?

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I know a couple people have 'cause they made comments.

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So any questions

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or discussion? Dirk?

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Just one question.

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What process went

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into redoing this?

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And specifically has it been reviewed

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by our very busy legal counsel?

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Yes, they took town administration took our notes

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from the previous session.

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it was probably 95% of what you see here.

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It got circulated amongst the committee members.

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One member had a couple of questions

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or had a couple suggestions.

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Those were sent back to administration and town council.

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Some things made it into the revision.

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Some things were not deemed that they wanted

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to make them, but it's been

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through town council a couple of times now.

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Thank you. I just wanted to get that on the record

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of our meeting and I'm, I'm very happy

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with the result and we'll support it.

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Okay. Other questions on Article 14

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as it's being reviewed

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and presented this evening. Richard,

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Are there any other towns that have passed?

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Similar ordinance?

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Yes. Almost every town has something similar around

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animal control, especially as it relates to licensing

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and also vaccination.

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Okay. It's mostly, it refers to mass General law.

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Okay. Thank you. Alright, additional questions?

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Anybody in the room? Any committee

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members online with questions?

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Any members of the public with questions?

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All right, I'll take motions.

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I'll move to recommend favorable action with regard

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to the subject matter of Article 14

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as presented at the April 7th, 2026 meeting.

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Second. Alright.

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Motion made and seconded for recommending favorable action.

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Any other motions? Seeing no hands

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discussion, debate.

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Good job. All around the,

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the intention was always well framed and,

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and well articulated by the animal control officer

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who presented before the, the previous presentation

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of language did not support

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that intention effectively.

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And this does and I, I'm happy to support it.

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Jillian, ditto

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On all that the committee had voiced

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its concerns and those concerns have been addressed

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and I'd like to thank everyone that made that possible.

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Both those on the committee that Synopsized

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and put that together and for administration

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and staff that made it be so

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I would note also just kudos to everybody who

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worked in a busy season for everybody leading up

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to town meeting to bring this back so

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that it could be done at this town meeting.

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Matt, I this is really more of a comment.

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I think I appreciate that, you know, a lot

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of the feedback was taken on this.

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I think this still reflects some just grammatical stuff

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that's not correct and my understanding of the response

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of town council was that certain things like

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singular plural mismatches

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that are still in the current existing one

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should not be made.

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And the basis for that that was presented to us was

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that the Attorney General had already approved it

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with those errors and therefore we should not change it.

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And I, I, my comment is just that my understanding

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of the Attorney General's review the scope of it

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and the point of it is about whether it's legal,

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not whether it's correct or whether it's a good policy idea.

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So I I would encourage, you know, all of us in the future

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to push back on that notion

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as a reason not to make the change.

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Yeah. I'm not gonna make a motion

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to amend it further tonight.

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I'm I'll, I'll support it, but it is still flawed.

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Thank you for that observation.

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Alright, anybody else with debate

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or discussion before we vote?

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See none. Alright.

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This will be a roll call vote

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to recommend favorable action on article on the subject

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matter of article 14. Dirk

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Aye David?

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Aye. Patricia. Aye. Donna Aye. Grace?

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Yes. Jean? Yes. Kat? Yes. Julian. Aye.

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Matt? Yes. Richard. Aye. Gary? Yes.

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And I a Yes. Passes unanimously. Thank you very much, chief.

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Thank you. And then thank the other committee

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for the opportunity to reconsider.

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Thank you for coming back. As we

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Said earlier, it was a learning experience.

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All right then next order of business is

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reconsideration of Article 17, the natural

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and synthetic Turf Field Study Group report.

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All right. I believe the sponsor

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is or representative of the sponsors online.

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Mr. Evans. Welcome.

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Thank you Mr. Chair. Alright.

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When last we met, we had no

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recommendation on the subject matter of Article 17.

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Part of that seemed to have been colored by

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debate and discussion that went fairly far afield of

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what our charge is.

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We're going to limit our questions

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to more within the bounds of what

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the finance committee should actually be inquiring about,

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which is whether

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or not the sponsor is

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properly before town meeting.

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Are they a body that can in fact report to town meeting?

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Do they feel that they will be ready when

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called to the floor?

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Is this the correct

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time town meeting from a timing standpoint to present,

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but we're not going to debate composition

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of report givers

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or contents of the reports and things like that.

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That's really a town meeting issue.

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And if we have, if any members have issues with contents

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of the report, that's really a town meeting, you know, go,

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go to town meeting and raise the issues

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and, you know, debate them, you know, in,

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in at the proper venue.

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So I'm going to make a motion for reconsideration.

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As was noted earlier, most,

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most of the rules of order require that somebody

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that was on the prevailing side of the previous vote

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has to make it, has to make the motion for reconsideration.

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I was one of the seven that voted in favor, so

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I'm making the motion to reconsider and I'll second.

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Okay, well just on the prevailing side.

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Okay. On the majority side, since we,

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since there's a quantum of eight that's required.

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There, there has been no prevailing side. Right. But okay.

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On the majority side, I was, I was in the,

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the most numerous votes side

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And, and, and I didn't bring my, my copy

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of Bobby's rules with me.

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I thought it was the point for reconsideration is

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that somebody who voted one way would reconsider their votes

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and they found cause therefore, so then it would

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Be the, i I believe the rule of order is set up such that

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people on the losing side of an argument don't,

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aren't the ones that can automatically make a motion

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to reconsideration.

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They have, they have to use a different

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parliamentary procedure.

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If you won the vote and something occurs

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and you think that it's justified

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to be reconsider reconsideration as an order,

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then the person in the prevailing quote unquote side

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is automatically in order to make a motion to reconsider.

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Well, fair enough. I won't petty fog

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the issue here one way or the other.

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The motion's gonna be before us, so. Right. I'm happy to

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Yeah.

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What whatever, whatever proceed here

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people will be happy with.

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So, and you made a second of that. Yes. Okay.

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On the motion to reconsider of Article

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17, roll call vote Dirk.

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Aye. David?

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Aye. Patricia,

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Stay.

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Donna Aye.

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Grace? Yes.

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Jean? Yes. Kat? Aye.

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Julian, yes. Matt? Yes. Richard? Yes. Gary? Yes.

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And I'm a Yes. Alright.

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Previous discussion, debate and votes are set aside.

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We are back to hearing Article 17 a new, so

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I think we're familiar with the general motion

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and subject matter that's

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before us members of the committee,

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do we have questions for the sponsor within the bounds of

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what we should be questioning and debating?

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Donna,

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Will a copy of this report be available

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for the fin com book as copies

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of other reports have often been available like

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CBRC reports, et cetera?

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We don't include committee, committee

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or third,

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we don't include reports in the fin com book,

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the CBRC report.

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It is frequently not even written or available.

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We haven't actually even been hearing that in advance.

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The first time we've been hearing it is was at town meeting.

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So that's, that hasn't been included either.

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So that's typically outside of what we do.

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Okay. I was a citizen sponsor of this petition

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and I understand like there's two points

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here for reconsideration, standing or readiness.

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And I, I question the readiness of this for a report

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and the chair of the committee herself has said it's not

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necessary to hear this in the spring, that it could just

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as easily be heard in the fall.

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And for example,

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just today I received a 17 page report from Jillian Wilson

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Martin from sustainability providing I think,

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important information about this.

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And I just questioned whether the report will be

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as comprehensive and if it could be also the master plan

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for the field won't be done until the fall.

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And I just, I think,

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I wonder if our time could be better spent when there's more

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information that could be presented before us.

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Mayor, I'd like to answer those, please.

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Yes, Mr. Evans, please.

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First of all, thank you

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for mentioning Ms. Wilson Martin's study.

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We had requested that the working group had requested that

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as part of our fact finding

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to be able to present that to town meeting.

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As you might expect, there are a number of different reports

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that say a number of different things.

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And Jillian's report is actually a very good report

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because it crystallizes a lot of the more recent

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research in this area.

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And as, as to whether, why do it now,

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we made a commitment to fall town meeting,

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to have an interim report to form a study group

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and to continue this discussion at town meeting.

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And the objective of having the interim report is to present

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what we know now, what we think we need to know to be able

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to make a recommendation of the future town meeting

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as to under what conditions

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or what circumstances is it advisable

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to use a turf field versus a grass field.

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The prevailing sense is that other things being equal

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grass field would be better, but there's also other factors.

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And those factors include availability of fields

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in, in a given town, the necessary rest for those fields,

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the, the demand for

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new sports to be included.

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As an example, we heard last night from

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the rec parks department that two things

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that are, are relatively new that are

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youth field hockey feeder programs

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and NFL flag football.

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Right. Those are two additional sports.

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And in addition to what we already have, so our

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basic premise is to start with the demand side of things.

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Mr. The Field and Park study,

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Mr.

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Mr. Evans. Yeah, I I I'm gonna try

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and keep the committee from strain into report

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contents. So, so

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The only thing I'll wrap up I is the field

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and park study is an independent issue.

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It's not just the grass versus turf issue.

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It is What, what's the, what's the,

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we did a study in 2016, it's now 2026.

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It needs to be updated.

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A lot of the information is still valid,

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but in some cases the situation's just gotten worse.

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Yes. Mr. So, Okay,

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I I I, I you, you started off I think

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directly addressing the question in that you

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have, you, you made a commitment to give an interim report.

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This isn't the final report,

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but this is being responsive to an, in a request

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for an interim report.

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So do we have other questions from members

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of the committee, Mr.

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Munich?

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Not that this is quantifiable anymore than the answer to

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how high is high, but

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what percentage of the committee's work is,

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or the study groups work is completed.

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Maybe the answer to that would be how many more meetings

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of the study group are anticipated

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between now and fall town meeting?

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Really depends on

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where we end up at 10 at Springtown meeting.

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I think what we're going to see, you know, without straying

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the field from the chair's instructions

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we're we are, you know, probably 50% there is, there's a,

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there's a, a lot of data out there.

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There's information, we've had experts from various

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different organizations both within town

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and external to town.

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We've been provided with numerous studies

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and we're trying to synthesize that into a presentation

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that that goes through.

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Here's what we know, here's what we don't know.

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What information gaps do you feel?

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Do you town meeting feel, need to be addressed for you

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to be able to, or for the town to be able

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to make an informed decision.

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Thank you. In the, between now

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and fall town meeting, the collection of information

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by the study group, is there

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currently an open solicitation for information

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and at what time would the working group's

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window close for receiving information to allow it time

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to synthesize the work and come up with a final report?

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Good question. I would say, you know, given

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that we're about 50% there, what we've asked people

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for people who are experts is the net new information.

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We have plenty of historic information where historic is

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five years or, or maybe greater.

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But we, we are interested in is new things that that,

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that we don't have information for.

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There's no shortage of information.

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It's a matter of, of putting it all together

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and formulating the pros and cons of each.

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Right. There are situations where both, where one

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or the other is more advisable than, than the alternative.

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And that's what we want to lay out.

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Thank you. Just to finish up on that line,

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the transom for people to,

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if the door isn't open

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or the windows isn't open, the transom being open,

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is there a date at which

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the working group goes into conclave

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and says, this is,

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we just can't receive any more new information

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after this date because we have to amalgamated

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and create a final report?

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Yeah, that, that's a reasonable question,

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but we don't have the answer yet.

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And, and the reason we don't have the answer

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yet is we don't, we want to identify the gaps that,

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that people perceive with what we have already.

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We know we have a certain amount of work to do,

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but I'd estimate that

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and one person in their working group,

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I'd estimate that we'd probably want to do the complete

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the lion's share of any research by early summer so

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that we're in a position that to consolidated

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well in advance of fall town meeting.

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So just to truly wrap this, this line up, will the report

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to SPRINGTOWN meeting give town meeting a sense as to

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when or for how long the

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study group will be in receiving mode?

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I will discuss that with the rest of the group.

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I don't have an answer.

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Thank David. And then Donna.

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Thank you. My question is this,

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is there a report which is ready to be submitted

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to town meeting and how long is that report?

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No, there is not. This is going to be much like

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the presentations that, for example, CBRC

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provides that says, here's what we have so far, right?

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We don't have the definitive answers.

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Here's what, here's the information that we

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have received to date.

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Here are our preliminary conclusions based on

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that information,

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and let's have a discussion at town meeting.

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And, and as I said earlier, let's find out

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what information town meeting members need to help them

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be comfortable in making a decision.

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The decision, if you look at some of the other communities,

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the decision typically is there are circumstances

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where we'll use turf.

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And when we use turf,

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we have the following restrictions on it.

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Mr. And

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I, I I I, I, I think, I think Mr.

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Coffee's questions you

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Get, you get the gist of

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what we're working trying to do, right?

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To continue. David, another question or are you set?

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I'm set. Thank you Donna. And then Dirk,

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I have another question

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and I've never been asked anything by this working group.

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And again, I was the sponsor of this warrant article

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and I'm curious about the time

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and is it the intention of the group

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to uphold the advisory moratorium, which goes

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through December 31st 2 28?

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Is that question out of order?

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That's out of order. We're not,

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we're not discussing contents or Okay.

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Working workings of the inner, inner workings of the,

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It it just, it would've just gone to my point

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that there is no hurry to hear this report.

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That's debate. Well, do you have a question?

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No, I'm set for now. Thank you very much, Dirk?

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Yeah, just for the record, the reference was made

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to CBRC for any lay people watching.

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That's a charter and bylaw review

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commission or committee rather.

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My question to follow on to Mr.

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Munich's line of questioning, I, is there a,

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is there some possibility

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or probability that

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given the, the known unknowns, given the fact that

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information is still coming in

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and the, the sort of drawing

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of a circle around the scope is, is not yet

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something that our presenter can

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represent on behalf of the committee?

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Is there a possibility that

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there might not be a final report ready for the fall

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and it might go until spring of 2027?

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I will not speculate on that,

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but I will give some guidance.

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The guidance is, we have plenty of information.

530
00:30:01,555 --> 00:30:05,215
We know that we need to make a decision at some point

531
00:30:05,995 --> 00:30:10,855
and at town meeting to figure out is is

532
00:30:12,635 --> 00:30:15,455
do we, what do we do as far as turf versus

533
00:30:18,715 --> 00:30:21,505
grasp in this town specifically,

534
00:30:23,165 --> 00:30:24,705
we do know we need a,

535
00:30:25,165 --> 00:30:27,985
and without going too far afield, we know we need to

536
00:30:29,055 --> 00:30:32,185
develop the practice field at the high school.

537
00:30:32,185 --> 00:30:33,385
There's an acute need there.

538
00:30:33,925 --> 00:30:37,745
That's, that's a forcing function I'll call it,

539
00:30:38,045 --> 00:30:39,905
to get it done sooner rather than later.

540
00:30:40,395 --> 00:30:44,065
We've had two independent activities, Mr.

541
00:30:44,065 --> 00:30:46,225
Chair, the first is the working group.

542
00:30:48,125 --> 00:30:50,585
The second is, is Mr. Chair to determine

543
00:30:50,605 --> 00:30:52,265
Mr. Bruce, hold, hold, hold.

544
00:30:52,265 --> 00:30:53,265
Yeah,

545
00:30:53,665 --> 00:30:57,065
I, I think we strayed already from the, from the question

546
00:30:57,325 --> 00:31:00,625
of whether there's a possibility

547
00:31:02,215 --> 00:31:04,145
that it might go along.

548
00:31:04,265 --> 00:31:05,625
I don't want to know all the reasons

549
00:31:06,485 --> 00:31:10,065
or all the substantive discussion that might prompt that.

550
00:31:10,425 --> 00:31:15,025
I just, I'm looking for a sort of rule of thumb

551
00:31:16,135 --> 00:31:21,105
kind of eyeballing of the situation is, is it

552
00:31:23,045 --> 00:31:26,905
Highly Unlikely it an eyeball 10% likely 40% likely

553
00:31:27,135 --> 00:31:29,185
that it could go beyond next fall?

554
00:31:30,005 --> 00:31:34,905
It is 99% likely that it won't go past. Very good.

555
00:31:34,935 --> 00:31:36,705
Next floor. Good. That's what I'm looking for. Thank you.

556
00:31:37,275 --> 00:31:40,225
Thank you Matt.

557
00:31:40,445 --> 00:31:42,745
And then don't have any other members

558
00:31:42,745 --> 00:31:44,105
seeking the floor. Matt? Yeah,

559
00:31:44,105 --> 00:31:46,145
Apologies if this is a repeat question,

560
00:31:46,165 --> 00:31:47,985
but I maybe I didn't understand the answer.

561
00:31:48,265 --> 00:31:50,705
I think earlier it was asked if there was a report ready

562
00:31:50,705 --> 00:31:52,305
to deliver to town meeting.

563
00:31:52,425 --> 00:31:53,625
I think our vote is about whether

564
00:31:53,625 --> 00:31:56,505
or not to recommend the town meeting hear a report.

565
00:31:57,225 --> 00:32:00,385
I understand that there is not a 100% complete report.

566
00:32:00,885 --> 00:32:04,825
Is there any report, like is there a written piece

567
00:32:04,825 --> 00:32:08,025
of material that can be either delivered in writing

568
00:32:08,085 --> 00:32:11,345
or read out loud that is currently ready to go

569
00:32:11,645 --> 00:32:13,065
for delivery to town meeting?

570
00:32:13,255 --> 00:32:14,255
This spring?

571
00:32:15,335 --> 00:32:18,105
This spring, yes. Right now, no.

572
00:32:18,645 --> 00:32:22,865
We are meeting, we've met every week

573
00:32:23,605 --> 00:32:25,305
to assimilate all the information.

574
00:32:25,685 --> 00:32:30,425
We are now in the process of the feling that presentation

575
00:32:30,445 --> 00:32:32,345
and fleshing out that presentation.

576
00:32:33,055 --> 00:32:35,625
It's not gonna be a war in Peace presentation.

577
00:32:36,015 --> 00:32:40,285
It's gonna have many pointers to studies

578
00:32:40,395 --> 00:32:43,605
that have been made, one of which is, has been referred

579
00:32:43,605 --> 00:32:45,605
to earlier tonight, which was Jillian's.

580
00:32:45,605 --> 00:32:46,605
Thank you.

581
00:32:49,105 --> 00:32:50,285
All right. Any other members

582
00:32:50,505 --> 00:32:52,325
of the committee with questions?

583
00:32:53,765 --> 00:32:55,685
I Alright.

584
00:32:56,445 --> 00:32:57,765
I have a hand up from a member

585
00:32:57,765 --> 00:32:59,005
of the public with a question.

586
00:32:59,145 --> 00:33:00,485
Oh, good. Ms. Vickers, please.

587
00:33:04,105 --> 00:33:06,765
Yes. Friendly Vickers Precinct eight town meeting member.

588
00:33:06,895 --> 00:33:08,125
Thank you for your time.

589
00:33:09,885 --> 00:33:13,285
I, as a town meeting member,

590
00:33:14,245 --> 00:33:18,565
I am very curious about the presentation of a

591
00:33:19,335 --> 00:33:21,365
maybe 50% ready report

592
00:33:23,065 --> 00:33:25,365
and then how that works again in the fall.

593
00:33:25,505 --> 00:33:29,845
Do we get to, because members change, you know,

594
00:33:29,845 --> 00:33:31,925
town meeting membership changes, will we

595
00:33:32,545 --> 00:33:35,605
rehear the whole thing or will we just have a second half?

596
00:33:36,345 --> 00:33:41,325
And I am curious about the purpose of this

597
00:33:41,345 --> 00:33:43,205
as I'm understanding what you're saying,

598
00:33:43,705 --> 00:33:45,205
as I'm understanding what you're saying.

599
00:33:45,345 --> 00:33:49,885
The purpose of presenting half a report this time is solely

600
00:33:50,065 --> 00:33:53,285
and specifically to say this is the information we've

601
00:33:53,445 --> 00:33:55,485
gathered, it's not analyzed.

602
00:33:55,755 --> 00:33:56,805
This is the information

603
00:33:56,805 --> 00:34:00,045
and we wish to know what additional information you want.

604
00:34:00,435 --> 00:34:03,925
Meaning a discussion would be from town meeting members.

605
00:34:04,665 --> 00:34:06,405
Please tell us what you're looking for,

606
00:34:06,825 --> 00:34:09,165
but not discuss what we've just told you

607
00:34:09,275 --> 00:34:10,965
because it's incomplete.

608
00:34:12,545 --> 00:34:13,685
Not exactly true.

609
00:34:14,715 --> 00:34:17,685
What it is going to be is a, a report

610
00:34:18,195 --> 00:34:20,605
that is not a final report that says,

611
00:34:20,995 --> 00:34:23,045
here are our findings to date.

612
00:34:23,515 --> 00:34:26,125
Here are our, our conclusions to date.

613
00:34:26,855 --> 00:34:30,125
There are things we want to do to ensure

614
00:34:30,995 --> 00:34:35,605
that it is a complete study before we finalize.

615
00:34:36,435 --> 00:34:41,285
There's, we are, we're we are finding information.

616
00:34:41,555 --> 00:34:46,285
Even Jillian's work as an example that

617
00:34:47,045 --> 00:34:51,845
recently done interviewing LFNR,

618
00:34:52,865 --> 00:34:55,005
art Good Hunt, who's an expert in both

619
00:34:55,535 --> 00:34:56,845
grass and turf fields.

620
00:34:57,755 --> 00:35:01,325
Getting all that information together.

621
00:35:02,635 --> 00:35:07,125
Also leveraging the information that's been gathered by, all

622
00:35:07,745 --> 00:35:10,045
by surrounding communities in Massachusetts.

623
00:35:11,055 --> 00:35:15,005
There are are pros and cons to each approach to, and,

624
00:35:15,065 --> 00:35:19,725
and each town comes to a different conclusion.

625
00:35:19,995 --> 00:35:21,565
Some, some say no, we're,

626
00:35:21,565 --> 00:35:25,045
we're gonna have a complete moratorium on turf fields

627
00:35:25,865 --> 00:35:29,885
and others say, we'll use turf fields in

628
00:35:31,045 --> 00:35:35,645
specific circumstances with, with specific restrictions.

629
00:35:36,465 --> 00:35:39,445
So that's what we want to present at town meeting.

630
00:35:40,065 --> 00:35:42,805
Is it going to be a hundred percent complete?

631
00:35:43,385 --> 00:35:45,245
No, we're not there yet.

632
00:35:45,585 --> 00:35:47,725
We didn't say we would be there yet,

633
00:35:48,185 --> 00:35:50,565
but what we're trying to demonstrate is meaningful

634
00:35:50,885 --> 00:35:51,925
progress towards that goal.

635
00:35:52,695 --> 00:35:57,445
Thank you. It may, I may I ask more?

636
00:35:57,445 --> 00:35:58,485
Please. Mr. Sch?

637
00:35:59,025 --> 00:36:01,485
Yes, Ms. Vickers. Thank you.

638
00:36:01,805 --> 00:36:05,805
I, or maybe this is more of a comment than a,

639
00:36:06,405 --> 00:36:10,205
a question on, it feels to me as a town meeting member

640
00:36:10,235 --> 00:36:13,005
that if I am being asked to

641
00:36:14,835 --> 00:36:18,245
discuss half fulfilled study information

642
00:36:19,025 --> 00:36:22,085
and listen to a conclusion about that information,

643
00:36:22,635 --> 00:36:25,885
that it is potentially wasting my time

644
00:36:25,885 --> 00:36:28,325
because then we'll need to start over again in the fall.

645
00:36:28,905 --> 00:36:31,645
So with this information, are you going

646
00:36:31,645 --> 00:36:35,085
to be presenting a full analysis of what you've already

647
00:36:35,645 --> 00:36:38,485
received and how can there be a full analysis of

648
00:36:38,485 --> 00:36:41,285
what you've received to see if the collection

649
00:36:41,285 --> 00:36:43,645
of information isn't complete?

650
00:36:44,005 --> 00:36:47,165
I, I'm just very concerned about how, let me answer

651
00:36:47,165 --> 00:36:49,525
that time could be sent spent on the floor

652
00:36:50,785 --> 00:36:52,445
and how that moves forward.

653
00:36:52,755 --> 00:36:55,325
Okay. Before, before the sponsor response.

654
00:36:55,755 --> 00:36:57,285
Some of those questions are

655
00:36:57,305 --> 00:37:00,885
for debate when town meeting is asked whether they want

656
00:37:00,885 --> 00:37:03,805
to hear, hear the report, so that some of

657
00:37:03,805 --> 00:37:05,085
that might be in order if you want

658
00:37:05,085 --> 00:37:09,045
to stand up at town meeting when this question's asked of

659
00:37:09,045 --> 00:37:13,005
that body, but briefly, Mr. Evans.

660
00:37:14,035 --> 00:37:17,725
Yeah, here here's, it's not 50% done.

661
00:37:17,795 --> 00:37:21,245
It's, it's a draft, it's like any draft plan, right?

662
00:37:21,625 --> 00:37:24,605
You'll have it sketched out.

663
00:37:26,635 --> 00:37:29,285
I'll, I'll, I'll use the analogy of

664
00:37:30,005 --> 00:37:32,405
a school design, right?

665
00:37:32,505 --> 00:37:36,485
You have a 25% design, then a, a schematic design,

666
00:37:36,995 --> 00:37:38,925
then a 50, then a 75,

667
00:37:39,865 --> 00:37:43,325
and then you get to a hundred percent at all points.

668
00:37:43,505 --> 00:37:47,565
During that you have an idea of where,

669
00:37:48,745 --> 00:37:51,765
of what the project is going to look at

670
00:37:52,585 --> 00:37:57,045
and you get each an additional level of detail to it.

671
00:37:57,865 --> 00:38:00,725
And once you, once you get more information,

672
00:38:00,965 --> 00:38:04,565
I think we have frankly plenty of information.

673
00:38:05,365 --> 00:38:09,725
I think what's more challenging is taking that information

674
00:38:10,065 --> 00:38:13,645
and putting it in a format that, that's

675
00:38:14,425 --> 00:38:18,325
not a bunch of links that says that say, okay,

676
00:38:18,585 --> 00:38:19,845
you want more information on it.

677
00:38:20,025 --> 00:38:23,085
Go see these websites. That's not what we want to do.

678
00:38:23,665 --> 00:38:27,805
We want to come to provide some conclusions,

679
00:38:28,465 --> 00:38:30,725
but those conclusions aren't written in stone.

680
00:38:30,985 --> 00:38:33,085
We, we wanna have a discussion about them.

681
00:38:33,695 --> 00:38:36,365
Thank you. Alright.

682
00:38:37,295 --> 00:38:39,205
Additional questions from members of the committee

683
00:38:40,535 --> 00:38:41,535
Ready to make a motion.

684
00:38:43,335 --> 00:38:45,005
Donna has a question for a second time.

685
00:38:45,485 --> 00:38:46,765
Just quickly, you said you wanted

686
00:38:46,765 --> 00:38:48,205
to provide some conclusions.

687
00:38:48,545 --> 00:38:50,725
So are you taking a viewpoint on this

688
00:38:50,725 --> 00:38:53,765
because the working group has said time

689
00:38:53,765 --> 00:38:55,925
and time again, it was not taking a position on the

690
00:38:56,125 --> 00:38:57,805
material, just presenting the material.

691
00:38:58,025 --> 00:38:59,725
Can you re-answer that?

692
00:38:59,905 --> 00:39:01,725
No, we're not making a conclusions.

693
00:39:01,815 --> 00:39:04,205
We're presenting pros and cons

694
00:39:04,585 --> 00:39:07,325
and what the facts have said on each of those.

695
00:39:08,105 --> 00:39:10,805
And we're, this is ultimately going to,

696
00:39:10,825 --> 00:39:12,245
to be a town decision.

697
00:39:12,315 --> 00:39:13,925
It's not a working group decision,

698
00:39:14,395 --> 00:39:19,045
it's not a moratorium group decision, it's not a turf

699
00:39:19,645 --> 00:39:22,645
advisory or a turf

700
00:39:23,485 --> 00:39:24,645
company decision.

701
00:39:24,875 --> 00:39:25,965
It's a town decision

702
00:39:26,105 --> 00:39:29,645
and the town will have to make that determination.

703
00:39:31,375 --> 00:39:33,365
Thank you. Alright.

704
00:39:33,585 --> 00:39:35,725
Seeing no other hands up either in the room

705
00:39:35,745 --> 00:39:37,605
or online motions,

706
00:39:38,465 --> 00:39:42,565
I'd like to move f to recommend favorable action

707
00:39:42,875 --> 00:39:44,605
with regard to hearing

708
00:39:44,605 --> 00:39:48,445
and discussing a report under Article 17.

709
00:39:51,665 --> 00:39:55,085
Second. Any other

710
00:39:55,085 --> 00:40:00,005
motions? Ms. McKenzie?

711
00:40:00,385 --> 00:40:02,325
Can I make a motion that the report be

712
00:40:02,325 --> 00:40:03,405
heard in the fall town meeting?

713
00:40:04,745 --> 00:40:07,245
That's, that question's not before us scope.

714
00:40:08,875 --> 00:40:11,805
Okay. Do I need to make a motion that it not be heard

715
00:40:11,805 --> 00:40:12,885
or is that just all via

716
00:40:13,035 --> 00:40:14,035
Vote?

717
00:40:14,035 --> 00:40:15,245
Just vote No, just vote accordingly. Okay.

718
00:40:15,275 --> 00:40:19,645
Well just a question of the motion maker on, on that.

719
00:40:20,585 --> 00:40:25,525
It as published the warrant article is to hear and

720
00:40:25,865 --> 00:40:27,365
or discuss.

721
00:40:28,635 --> 00:40:32,325
Well, it's not going to be discussed without hearing.

722
00:40:32,545 --> 00:40:36,045
So that option falls off of the decision tree. So,

723
00:40:36,105 --> 00:40:37,965
And, and my, my motion was here

724
00:40:38,025 --> 00:40:39,765
and discussed and Okay. I took

725
00:40:39,765 --> 00:40:40,765
The route.

726
00:40:40,765 --> 00:40:41,315
Okay.

727
00:40:42,305 --> 00:40:44,685
And that's what I was seconding at least

728
00:40:44,725 --> 00:40:45,765
I thought that's what I heard.

729
00:40:46,065 --> 00:40:49,085
All righty. Alright. Any other motions?

730
00:40:52,665 --> 00:40:56,125
Seeing no hands, nobody seeking the floor. Dirk?

731
00:40:56,715 --> 00:41:00,405
Well, a bunch of things make this challenging,

732
00:41:00,865 --> 00:41:04,365
but I think as a body we should

733
00:41:06,025 --> 00:41:09,565
pretty reliably err on the side of transparency,

734
00:41:10,625 --> 00:41:14,805
on the side of engagement of the public

735
00:41:15,065 --> 00:41:18,205
and of our representative town body.

736
00:41:22,805 --> 00:41:26,045
A commitment was made to this process.

737
00:41:26,725 --> 00:41:29,605
I, I think that there are people out there

738
00:41:29,625 --> 00:41:30,885
who care about this process

739
00:41:31,345 --> 00:41:35,645
and who some

740
00:41:36,755 --> 00:41:41,325
present parties accepted may

741
00:41:42,105 --> 00:41:43,125
be interested

742
00:41:43,385 --> 00:41:45,525
and perhaps gratified to know that

743
00:41:46,885 --> 00:41:48,765
there is attention being paid,

744
00:41:48,795 --> 00:41:52,405
that there is work in progress, that there is more

745
00:41:52,405 --> 00:41:54,765
to be done to finalize things.

746
00:41:55,525 --> 00:41:59,685
I think the, among,

747
00:41:59,815 --> 00:42:04,045
among many words we've heard, not all of which convinced me

748
00:42:04,595 --> 00:42:08,405
that, that it was easy to make this motion that I'm making.

749
00:42:11,295 --> 00:42:14,885
There there were some that were quite helpful

750
00:42:15,105 --> 00:42:19,965
and I think the comparison of this to a large town project,

751
00:42:20,485 --> 00:42:24,085
building a school or adopting a consequential policy

752
00:42:24,145 --> 00:42:27,205
of some sort as this certainly could end up in

753
00:42:29,265 --> 00:42:32,685
is, is apt that it happens

754
00:42:33,585 --> 00:42:35,125
in in waves.

755
00:42:35,145 --> 00:42:36,565
And it doesn't happen in waves

756
00:42:36,565 --> 00:42:40,325
because you go up to a line and stop.

757
00:42:40,745 --> 00:42:45,445
It happens because you start to understand the total picture

758
00:42:45,595 --> 00:42:49,285
with some level of granularity and then you go in

759
00:42:49,285 --> 00:42:52,205
and study it more and you understand it in more

760
00:42:52,425 --> 00:42:54,165
detail and more detail.

761
00:42:54,945 --> 00:42:57,925
And that may

762
00:42:58,985 --> 00:43:00,205
all be done in one wave.

763
00:43:00,385 --> 00:43:03,885
It may be done in two wave for, for a large school project.

764
00:43:04,025 --> 00:43:07,245
It happens in probably half a dozen waves or more.

765
00:43:08,645 --> 00:43:10,685
I think this is the right thing to do.

766
00:43:11,155 --> 00:43:14,285
It's a matter that was brought properly

767
00:43:14,285 --> 00:43:18,365
before town meeting as a concern of people in our

768
00:43:21,015 --> 00:43:25,685
population of Natick citizens and,

769
00:43:27,265 --> 00:43:31,845
and a group has been duly constituted

770
00:43:31,845 --> 00:43:35,045
to study it and can talk about it.

771
00:43:37,025 --> 00:43:39,925
It would've been perhaps easier to make this motion

772
00:43:39,985 --> 00:43:43,685
and support it if we had more of a draft.

773
00:43:43,785 --> 00:43:48,645
Now we don't, that's not the first time I've ever

774
00:43:48,645 --> 00:43:52,965
seen a, a large topic brought to this body

775
00:43:54,945 --> 00:43:59,405
for discussion at a town meeting where

776
00:44:00,795 --> 00:44:05,365
what was to be discussed was not fully prepared by

777
00:44:07,565 --> 00:44:11,005
a project manager or a construction company or a bidder

778
00:44:11,145 --> 00:44:12,565
or whatever.

779
00:44:13,805 --> 00:44:16,245
I, I think it's the right thing to do for our citizens.

780
00:44:16,425 --> 00:44:20,165
It to, as I say, to err on the side

781
00:44:20,265 --> 00:44:22,605
of transparency and engagement

782
00:44:23,465 --> 00:44:27,965
and not to bottle it up until everything's fully baked.

783
00:44:28,265 --> 00:44:32,205
We could be sorely disappointed as a town if we take

784
00:44:32,205 --> 00:44:35,405
that route on a number of issues, not just this one.

785
00:44:36,145 --> 00:44:39,885
So I'm gonna vote for my motion. Thank you.

786
00:44:40,415 --> 00:44:44,885
Thank you. As the seconder, I just wanna speak to this, is

787
00:44:44,885 --> 00:44:49,005
that I'm almost completely agnostic as

788
00:44:49,005 --> 00:44:52,165
to the subject matter of my feelings on this.

789
00:44:53,285 --> 00:44:57,645
I think the finance committee has relatively few

790
00:44:58,235 --> 00:45:00,525
gatekeeping functions as

791
00:45:01,225 --> 00:45:02,845
it pertains to these sorts of things.

792
00:45:03,605 --> 00:45:06,125
I mean, is it, is this a group

793
00:45:06,125 --> 00:45:08,045
that should be talking to town meeting?

794
00:45:08,885 --> 00:45:11,045
I think we have several indications that they are

795
00:45:11,865 --> 00:45:16,245
not the least of which is the select board accepted

796
00:45:16,625 --> 00:45:19,285
and deemed within the scope of

797
00:45:19,285 --> 00:45:21,765
what town meeting should be doing a warrant article.

798
00:45:22,505 --> 00:45:25,645
So I think that they've met the threshold of are they people

799
00:45:25,705 --> 00:45:27,205
who are allowed to report

800
00:45:27,905 --> 00:45:29,605
and then beyond that it's

801
00:45:30,745 --> 00:45:33,525
do they think they'll be ready when the

802
00:45:33,525 --> 00:45:34,925
moderator calls on them?

803
00:45:36,665 --> 00:45:40,885
That's really pretty much the threshold that we have for

804
00:45:42,325 --> 00:45:45,845
blocking, you know, people from hearing information at town,

805
00:45:45,845 --> 00:45:49,125
meeting all of the objections that anybo

806
00:45:49,145 --> 00:45:51,005
or even the, the

807
00:45:52,725 --> 00:45:55,565
positive feelings everybody has about the subject matter

808
00:45:55,745 --> 00:45:58,925
or anything having to do with any of these committees,

809
00:45:58,985 --> 00:46:01,005
not just this one, but anybody that's presenting,

810
00:46:01,665 --> 00:46:04,605
that's debate for town meeting, let's make them

811
00:46:04,705 --> 00:46:06,405
as individual town meeting members

812
00:46:06,545 --> 00:46:08,765
or a group of town meeting members on

813
00:46:08,765 --> 00:46:09,805
the floor of town meeting.

814
00:46:10,545 --> 00:46:12,525
We, we, we shouldn't,

815
00:46:13,735 --> 00:46:16,925
there should be relatively limited gatekeeping

816
00:46:17,035 --> 00:46:21,005
that we do on information delivery to the town body.

817
00:46:21,345 --> 00:46:24,925
So that's just my feeling on, on all

818
00:46:24,925 --> 00:46:26,085
of these sorts of reports.

819
00:46:27,695 --> 00:46:30,965
Additional debate and discussion, Richard,

820
00:46:32,605 --> 00:46:36,205
I plan to support this, not that I have a a view on the,

821
00:46:36,225 --> 00:46:40,765
on the subject matter, but what I've seen in both times that

822
00:46:41,745 --> 00:46:44,565
the presenters come to fin com is a

823
00:46:45,645 --> 00:46:49,685
enormous interest in discussing the matter so that

824
00:46:49,755 --> 00:46:52,605
that alone shows that town meeting is the place

825
00:46:53,135 --> 00:46:55,445
where the matter can be properly discussed.

826
00:46:56,025 --> 00:46:58,285
So it it should be properly discussed there.

827
00:47:00,575 --> 00:47:01,925
Thank you Matt.

828
00:47:02,515 --> 00:47:06,245
Yeah, I'll, my primary concern here is, is the idea

829
00:47:06,245 --> 00:47:08,325
that the report is not ready at the time,

830
00:47:09,145 --> 00:47:10,765
but I think the more I think about that,

831
00:47:10,985 --> 00:47:13,405
the consequence there is that they go to town meeting

832
00:47:13,465 --> 00:47:15,005
and say, I have no report.

833
00:47:15,065 --> 00:47:16,005
So there's really nothing there

834
00:47:16,105 --> 00:47:17,245
that's not much of a concern.

835
00:47:17,245 --> 00:47:18,525
I'll, I'll support this,

836
00:47:18,875 --> 00:47:21,445
That, that may be the quickest way past this at town

837
00:47:21,445 --> 00:47:23,885
meeting Julian.

838
00:47:24,835 --> 00:47:28,885
Yeah, so the, for me, the big consideration here is

839
00:47:28,965 --> 00:47:31,205
Their value to the community town meeting

840
00:47:31,305 --> 00:47:32,885
for the time that's expended.

841
00:47:33,195 --> 00:47:36,645
What is the value they're gonna receive in return for that?

842
00:47:37,425 --> 00:47:41,765
And if what they receive is really quite

843
00:47:43,085 --> 00:47:44,485
complete, then they have value

844
00:47:44,665 --> 00:47:47,845
and a certain amount of comfort and absurdity

845
00:47:47,845 --> 00:47:50,605
and in, in the way this is going.

846
00:47:51,465 --> 00:47:54,685
But they'll also receive value if they perceive there

847
00:47:54,685 --> 00:47:55,805
to be deficiencies.

848
00:47:56,545 --> 00:47:59,165
And that was the my line of questioning there as

849
00:47:59,165 --> 00:48:01,525
to the window for still being able

850
00:48:01,525 --> 00:48:03,765
to receive in information.

851
00:48:04,785 --> 00:48:09,005
And even if it isn't framed as such, this

852
00:48:09,005 --> 00:48:11,725
before town meeting will be a solicitation

853
00:48:11,825 --> 00:48:16,805
for input if there are any perceived deficiencies.

854
00:48:16,805 --> 00:48:20,085
Yeah, so it could be that the showing up

855
00:48:20,085 --> 00:48:21,205
before town meeting, you're,

856
00:48:22,355 --> 00:48:24,125
they're asking in in town meeting

857
00:48:24,305 --> 00:48:26,285
and finance committees recommending

858
00:48:26,285 --> 00:48:28,765
that sufficient rope be given these folks

859
00:48:28,985 --> 00:48:31,045
to craft a, a cat's cradle.

860
00:48:31,105 --> 00:48:35,445
But the positive out of this is

861
00:48:35,445 --> 00:48:38,165
that members of the community that

862
00:48:39,495 --> 00:48:44,165
maybe are holders of stakes will

863
00:48:44,955 --> 00:48:45,965
spot deficiencies

864
00:48:45,985 --> 00:48:48,165
or take comfort that there aren't any deficiencies.

865
00:48:48,865 --> 00:48:50,485
And if between spring

866
00:48:51,595 --> 00:48:54,255
and fall town meetings, it turns out

867
00:48:54,255 --> 00:48:59,095
that there has not been opportunity presented availed

868
00:48:59,115 --> 00:49:02,695
or made possible for people,

869
00:49:04,005 --> 00:49:07,535
then fall town meeting is when the pitchforks can come out.

870
00:49:07,635 --> 00:49:11,975
So I'll be voting in favor of this to keep the process live.

871
00:49:13,105 --> 00:49:16,295
Thank you David. And then Donna,

872
00:49:17,145 --> 00:49:18,145
Thank you.

873
00:49:19,115 --> 00:49:20,135
My sole question was,

874
00:49:20,315 --> 00:49:23,055
is there a report currently ready and does not appear?

875
00:49:23,055 --> 00:49:25,815
There is a report currently ready, so it's hard for me

876
00:49:25,815 --> 00:49:28,735
to vote and say, well let's hear a report

877
00:49:28,735 --> 00:49:31,415
and discuss it when there is no report to hear and discuss.

878
00:49:32,395 --> 00:49:36,215
So perhaps the presenters will come forward in April 28th

879
00:49:36,235 --> 00:49:38,895
and say, actually we don't have a report yet.

880
00:49:38,995 --> 00:49:40,855
So we are currently working this,

881
00:49:40,905 --> 00:49:42,055
we've been working very hard.

882
00:49:42,065 --> 00:49:43,215
We'll continue to work hard,

883
00:49:43,545 --> 00:49:44,735
we'll get back to you in the fall.

884
00:49:45,235 --> 00:49:46,975
But right now when there's no report,

885
00:49:47,095 --> 00:49:50,015
I have trouble voting in favor of let's hear a report

886
00:49:50,015 --> 00:49:51,095
that does not exist.

887
00:49:54,185 --> 00:49:58,095
Donna, I understand the reading, the reasons

888
00:49:58,195 --> 00:50:01,455
for hearing the report and I think because of transparency

889
00:50:01,795 --> 00:50:04,215
and discussion and all of that, that's really important.

890
00:50:04,775 --> 00:50:06,615
I do look forward to hearing this report,

891
00:50:07,355 --> 00:50:08,735
but I don't think it's ready.

892
00:50:08,915 --> 00:50:11,055
And as the citizen sponsor of this,

893
00:50:11,495 --> 00:50:15,455
I would not have presented this petition. If there

894
00:50:16,155 --> 00:50:17,735
Ex excuse You that's content,

895
00:50:18,095 --> 00:50:19,895
I can raise it at time meeting. No, no,

896
00:50:20,155 --> 00:50:21,495
You're not the sponsor of this.

897
00:50:22,325 --> 00:50:25,735
This is, this is the, this is the

898
00:50:27,005 --> 00:50:29,725
not article 17, what's before us Is is

899
00:50:29,955 --> 00:50:30,955
Okay.

900
00:50:30,955 --> 00:50:34,605
Okay. I'm sorry. I just, sorry, I apologize then.

901
00:50:36,245 --> 00:50:39,205
I, I don't, I don't feel that it's,

902
00:50:39,205 --> 00:50:40,805
this is ready for prime time.

903
00:50:41,205 --> 00:50:44,045
I heard erroneous information yesterday saying

904
00:50:44,045 --> 00:50:45,965
that turf fields could be recycled.

905
00:50:45,995 --> 00:50:49,485
They cannot, there's just incorrect information

906
00:50:49,505 --> 00:50:52,485
and this can be adjudicated at town meeting as you said.

907
00:50:52,945 --> 00:50:54,845
And I think that's a really wise point

908
00:50:55,065 --> 00:50:56,805
and I do look forward to hearing that.

909
00:50:57,445 --> 00:51:00,805
I think it will be a long drawn out process at town meeting

910
00:51:00,945 --> 00:51:02,685
and I, I just wanna say that,

911
00:51:02,865 --> 00:51:05,005
but I'm not against conversation.

912
00:51:05,935 --> 00:51:07,445
Thank you, grace.

913
00:51:09,115 --> 00:51:11,525
Yeah, thank you. I'm gonna echo a previous speaker

914
00:51:11,525 --> 00:51:13,125
because I, I do have concerns.

915
00:51:13,405 --> 00:51:16,045
I, I definitely agree with the concept

916
00:51:16,185 --> 00:51:17,965
of town meetings should be hearing updates.

917
00:51:18,105 --> 00:51:20,565
But if we ourselves are a body that are supposed

918
00:51:20,565 --> 00:51:22,685
to vet the recommendations before us

919
00:51:23,265 --> 00:51:25,165
and we ourselves are not seeing a report

920
00:51:25,165 --> 00:51:27,285
that makes it very hard for us to recommend

921
00:51:28,075 --> 00:51:29,965
whether a town meeting should hear the report.

922
00:51:30,065 --> 00:51:33,165
And so I, I myself am torn on how I wanna vote on this

923
00:51:33,185 --> 00:51:35,285
and I would just offer that if the presenter

924
00:51:35,285 --> 00:51:37,445
and the team are still defining how they want

925
00:51:37,445 --> 00:51:42,125
to present this, that in some essence less is more.

926
00:51:42,425 --> 00:51:46,205
And so being able to provide an update on the work

927
00:51:46,265 --> 00:51:48,245
to date can be black or white.

928
00:51:48,435 --> 00:51:49,765
This is what we've done to date,

929
00:51:49,915 --> 00:51:52,605
this is the stances we're aligned on, this is

930
00:51:52,605 --> 00:51:54,565
what the work is we want to do next.

931
00:51:54,905 --> 00:51:57,245
But if we're presenting recommendations on, on

932
00:51:57,245 --> 00:51:59,805
what we're already thinking of, of

933
00:52:00,425 --> 00:52:03,165
of concepts from the time the team has worked before,

934
00:52:03,185 --> 00:52:05,965
but then also saying we're only 50% there, here's more

935
00:52:05,965 --> 00:52:07,885
that we wanna do, then I would caution

936
00:52:08,025 --> 00:52:10,245
how much we are debating that on town meeting floor

937
00:52:10,245 --> 00:52:13,005
because it's not even fully finished for the team to debate.

938
00:52:13,385 --> 00:52:15,885
So I say all that just to say that

939
00:52:15,985 --> 00:52:19,205
as the team prepares the report that they would like

940
00:52:19,205 --> 00:52:21,325
to share to town meeting, I would offer

941
00:52:21,325 --> 00:52:26,125
that it should be very clear on what is up for debate versus

942
00:52:26,235 --> 00:52:27,765
what is the work we want to present

943
00:52:28,545 --> 00:52:29,645
and leave any type

944
00:52:29,645 --> 00:52:31,125
of recommendations aside if we're not

945
00:52:31,125 --> 00:52:32,205
truly ready to debate those.

946
00:52:33,335 --> 00:52:36,445
Thank you. Thank you. A additional

947
00:52:36,445 --> 00:52:37,805
members of the committee,

948
00:52:38,965 --> 00:52:39,965
Hey, it's Gary.

949
00:52:39,965 --> 00:52:42,045
I'd like to raise my hand, but for some reason I can't find

950
00:52:42,065 --> 00:52:43,445
the raise hand button even though

951
00:52:43,445 --> 00:52:44,525
I've used Zoom a million times.

952
00:52:44,945 --> 00:52:46,685
You are recognized then Go ahead.

953
00:52:46,685 --> 00:52:49,445
Yeah, I I kind of lost even what we're debating on only

954
00:52:49,445 --> 00:52:51,805
because I thought it was just to yay

955
00:52:51,805 --> 00:52:54,045
or nay on letting them present

956
00:52:55,275 --> 00:52:58,085
That, that that is, that is the question before us.

957
00:52:58,785 --> 00:53:01,925
It is like, so it seems simple to me there's lots

958
00:53:01,925 --> 00:53:04,525
of debate what's in or out of this report

959
00:53:05,025 --> 00:53:06,405
or if there even is a report.

960
00:53:06,745 --> 00:53:08,845
But didn't someone present a report

961
00:53:09,025 --> 00:53:13,085
to us about the turf in field situation like a month ago?

962
00:53:15,315 --> 00:53:18,165
Yeah, that's, that's not really whether

963
00:53:18,165 --> 00:53:20,965
or not the report exists when this committee meets.

964
00:53:20,965 --> 00:53:24,045
We have a history of approving thing reports which are

965
00:53:24,585 --> 00:53:29,365
in progress or being written or still gathering information.

966
00:53:30,555 --> 00:53:31,725
Then and again, the charter

967
00:53:31,745 --> 00:53:34,965
and bylaw review committee is a, is an excellent example.

968
00:53:35,205 --> 00:53:38,885
I don't think we ever heard one of their vice chairs reports

969
00:53:39,785 --> 00:53:43,645
in this meeting because the subject matter

970
00:53:43,865 --> 00:53:46,685
of their report was still being worked on by the committee.

971
00:53:46,945 --> 00:53:48,325
So, okay,

972
00:53:48,355 --> 00:53:50,805
Well no, no, but like it's minor point.

973
00:53:50,825 --> 00:53:53,605
But didn't someone present something though about

974
00:53:54,185 --> 00:53:55,805
how long the fields LA last

975
00:53:55,945 --> 00:53:59,245
and how they're out of date so to speak?

976
00:53:59,245 --> 00:54:00,445
Because they they're overused.

977
00:54:01,705 --> 00:54:04,125
Yes. We, we we've we've heard, we've heard

978
00:54:04,775 --> 00:54:06,925
we've heard about the turf fields and,

979
00:54:07,265 --> 00:54:09,645
and grass fields from from yes.

980
00:54:09,645 --> 00:54:13,725
From various other, within the context

981
00:54:13,825 --> 00:54:15,365
of various other issues.

982
00:54:16,185 --> 00:54:17,765
Oh, maybe it wasn't directly to,

983
00:54:17,865 --> 00:54:19,045
to this warrant article then,

984
00:54:19,045 --> 00:54:21,125
but, alright, well, I think, I don't know,

985
00:54:21,125 --> 00:54:23,805
seems like we're debating way too much on a topic

986
00:54:23,835 --> 00:54:26,605
that is just yes or no and letting someone present.

987
00:54:26,825 --> 00:54:28,805
But thank I'm all for them presenting.

988
00:54:29,255 --> 00:54:33,445
Thank you for that observation. Okay. Anybody else?

989
00:54:36,105 --> 00:54:38,125
All right. We have one motion

990
00:54:38,425 --> 00:54:42,205
before us for recommend favorable action on the subject

991
00:54:42,205 --> 00:54:44,885
matter of Article 17 to hear

992
00:54:45,065 --> 00:54:48,805
and discuss the report of the natural

993
00:54:48,905 --> 00:54:51,245
and synthetic turf field study group

994
00:54:52,665 --> 00:54:55,805
by roll call vote Dirk Aye.

995
00:54:56,295 --> 00:54:57,295
David?

996
00:54:57,785 --> 00:54:59,485
No. Patricia

997
00:55:00,275 --> 00:55:01,275
Abstain.

998
00:55:02,415 --> 00:55:04,085
Donna? No.

999
00:55:05,495 --> 00:55:07,365
Grace Abstain.

1000
00:55:10,355 --> 00:55:12,125
Jean? No.

1001
00:55:13,865 --> 00:55:15,365
Cat? Yes.

1002
00:55:16,385 --> 00:55:20,045
Julian? Yes. Matt? Yes. Richard?

1003
00:55:20,505 --> 00:55:21,685
Yes. Gary?

1004
00:55:22,465 --> 00:55:26,205
Yes. And I'm a, yes. So the yess are

1005
00:55:26,385 --> 00:55:31,385
1, 7, 5, 0, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 1, 2

1006
00:55:36,065 --> 00:55:37,485
Nos and two.

1007
00:55:39,995 --> 00:55:41,685
Okay. We have

1008
00:55:43,415 --> 00:55:46,365
seven votes being insufficient to make a recommendation.

1009
00:55:46,945 --> 00:55:48,965
We still have no recommendation on the subject

1010
00:55:48,965 --> 00:55:50,205
matter of Article 17.

1011
00:55:51,305 --> 00:55:53,285
So that's what we will write up for the book.

1012
00:55:55,095 --> 00:55:58,245
Thank you everybody. Thank you Mr. Evans.

1013
00:55:59,265 --> 00:56:03,725
Motion to close the hearing. Thank you, Bruce.

1014
00:56:05,185 --> 00:56:08,525
You're welcome. Said time meeting.

1015
00:56:09,095 --> 00:56:09,525
Thank you.

1016
00:56:14,665 --> 00:56:15,725
Kat, I see your hand up.

1017
00:56:17,685 --> 00:56:19,405
I just wanted to ask you, what was that

1018
00:56:19,915 --> 00:56:20,525
vote count

1019
00:56:20,575 --> 00:56:25,575
7 3 2 7 3 2.

1020
00:56:27,185 --> 00:56:29,005
Yes. Okay. Thank you.

1021
00:56:29,125 --> 00:56:33,765
In the, in the in the negative was David, Donna, and Jean.

1022
00:56:35,235 --> 00:56:38,885
Okay. Two abstains were Patricia and Grace.

1023
00:56:39,355 --> 00:56:41,445
Everybody else voted in the affirmative.

1024
00:56:42,825 --> 00:56:45,045
All right, thanks. At least according to my notes.

1025
00:56:46,075 --> 00:56:47,725
Alright, I'll take a motion

1026
00:56:47,865 --> 00:56:49,405
to close the public hearing please.

1027
00:56:49,505 --> 00:56:50,885
So moved. Second.

1028
00:56:51,595 --> 00:56:54,365
Alright, we will call vote on closing the public hearing.

1029
00:56:56,515 --> 00:57:01,245
Dirk Aye. David? Aye. Patricia. Aye. Donna.

1030
00:57:01,705 --> 00:57:05,845
Aye. Grace? Yes. Jean? Yes. Kat?

1031
00:57:07,525 --> 00:57:12,265
Yes. Julian? Yes. Matt? Yes. Richard? Yes. Gary? Yes.

1032
00:57:12,445 --> 00:57:13,865
And I'm a yes. Alright.

1033
00:57:14,895 --> 00:57:17,985
That should have been our last vote for this season.

1034
00:57:18,285 --> 00:57:19,625
Congratulations everybody.

1035
00:57:19,715 --> 00:57:22,145
Thank you very much for getting us all here.

1036
00:57:23,845 --> 00:57:25,265
All right, moving on.

1037
00:57:27,945 --> 00:57:32,305
Hopefully the next item will be relatively straightforward.

1038
00:57:32,945 --> 00:57:35,505
I put this agenda item on, which is

1039
00:57:36,215 --> 00:57:39,705
discuss the finance committee's role, if any in guidance

1040
00:57:39,725 --> 00:57:41,505
of town meeting procedures, especially

1041
00:57:41,505 --> 00:57:42,905
as it relates to meeting rules.

1042
00:57:44,425 --> 00:57:45,545
I agreed to put this on

1043
00:57:45,545 --> 00:57:49,825
because it came up during debate of article three motion, a,

1044
00:57:50,905 --> 00:57:53,865
a lengthy, complex motion

1045
00:57:56,305 --> 00:58:00,345
feedback from various parties, including the moderator is,

1046
00:58:01,535 --> 00:58:04,625
it's outside, well excuse me, it's

1047
00:58:04,625 --> 00:58:07,545
outside the finance committee's purview.

1048
00:58:07,765 --> 00:58:10,145
Unless the question comes in as part

1049
00:58:10,145 --> 00:58:12,465
of a warrant article question, like the charter

1050
00:58:12,525 --> 00:58:16,425
and bylaw review committee might make a recommendation

1051
00:58:16,525 --> 00:58:18,945
of either a bylaw or a rule change

1052
00:58:19,045 --> 00:58:20,385
or some sort of procedure.

1053
00:58:21,125 --> 00:58:24,505
If it is a question which is being asked formally

1054
00:58:24,845 --> 00:58:27,305
of the finance committee, then we,

1055
00:58:27,445 --> 00:58:29,465
we certainly can have opinions on it.

1056
00:58:29,645 --> 00:58:32,825
But unsolicited

1057
00:58:32,945 --> 00:58:34,785
and unwarranted as it were,

1058
00:58:37,015 --> 00:58:39,265
it's just not within the scope of what we do.

1059
00:58:39,965 --> 00:58:44,505
If individual FinCon members as town media members want to

1060
00:58:45,515 --> 00:58:48,345
raise questions or make motions to suspend rules

1061
00:58:48,725 --> 00:58:53,585
or sit next to their compatriots

1062
00:58:53,725 --> 00:58:58,025
and come up with 10 different questions that they can ask

1063
00:58:58,045 --> 00:59:00,745
as a caucus, all of those things are great,

1064
00:59:01,205 --> 00:59:04,185
but that's not part of our gig. Mr.

1065
00:59:04,205 --> 00:59:06,305
Coburn, I would just note as you're saying that,

1066
00:59:06,305 --> 00:59:08,345
that not all of our members,

1067
00:59:08,665 --> 00:59:10,185
I believe are town meeting members

1068
00:59:10,445 --> 00:59:14,705
and any who aren't are also welcome to engage in debate

1069
00:59:15,085 --> 00:59:16,705
and questioning at the town meeting.

1070
00:59:16,875 --> 00:59:19,025
Right. Just can't make that motion to suspend,

1071
00:59:19,025 --> 00:59:20,065
they can't make the motion, can't make

1072
00:59:20,065 --> 00:59:21,330
motions to suspend rules.

1073
00:59:21,465 --> 00:59:25,445
But do we have any discussion on this item?

1074
00:59:25,885 --> 00:59:28,925
I know that it's, it's been a longstanding interest and,

1075
00:59:29,345 --> 00:59:33,005
and bless everyone's heart if they want

1076
00:59:33,005 --> 00:59:35,085
to take it up at town meeting, but it's not a fin income.

1077
00:59:35,755 --> 00:59:37,125
Well, the way,

1078
00:59:37,305 --> 00:59:41,605
The way it can exist

1079
00:59:43,365 --> 00:59:48,005
before town meeting is in our

1080
00:59:48,005 --> 00:59:52,325
writing on the, of an article stated

1081
00:59:52,325 --> 00:59:54,885
that the finance committee discussed the possibility

1082
00:59:54,945 --> 00:59:59,405
of dividing the motion

1083
01:00:00,065 --> 01:00:03,405
and what alternatives may be thereby opening a window,

1084
01:00:04,465 --> 01:00:06,565
but without making a recommendation as to

1085
01:00:06,565 --> 01:00:08,005
what the solution to that is.

1086
01:00:09,745 --> 01:00:12,285
You could open the same window by staying standing up

1087
01:00:12,285 --> 01:00:15,205
and seeking the moderator's attention to make that point.

1088
01:00:17,945 --> 01:00:19,085
It doesn't mean it, but

1089
01:00:19,085 --> 01:00:20,525
But, but that is of the evening.

1090
01:00:20,525 --> 01:00:24,445
Whereas many assiduous well read town meeting members

1091
01:00:25,305 --> 01:00:28,085
go through the book and they absorb

1092
01:00:28,155 --> 01:00:30,805
that information a beforehand. So,

1093
01:00:31,355 --> 01:00:33,565
Well, the really good ones are watching this meeting

1094
01:00:33,945 --> 01:00:35,005
so they already know.

1095
01:00:36,505 --> 01:00:37,525
Define good. Yeah,

1096
01:00:37,525 --> 01:00:38,525
There you go.

1097
01:00:41,835 --> 01:00:46,805
Well, I wrote up article three, so

1098
01:00:47,365 --> 01:00:49,445
I can tell you that it's not in the current draft,

1099
01:00:49,625 --> 01:00:51,325
but we're looking for reviewers.

1100
01:00:51,625 --> 01:00:54,805
So if a reviewer would like to make that notation

1101
01:00:55,345 --> 01:00:59,965
as a possible change, there's a couple days left.

1102
01:01:02,785 --> 01:01:04,565
All right. Any anybody, Mr. Coburn?

1103
01:01:04,725 --> 01:01:09,525
I might wanna do that. I I would say that

1104
01:01:14,075 --> 01:01:15,815
it is a very interesting discussion

1105
01:01:15,815 --> 01:01:20,615
and one that I encourage though though, it,

1106
01:01:20,675 --> 01:01:23,335
it really isn't the purview of this body

1107
01:01:23,355 --> 01:01:25,735
and I don't wanna make it the purview of this body.

1108
01:01:25,935 --> 01:01:29,615
I encourage people whose purview it is,

1109
01:01:29,615 --> 01:01:33,735
including the moderator, including ordinary citizens

1110
01:01:35,115 --> 01:01:39,575
to think about what does procedure do.

1111
01:01:39,575 --> 01:01:42,855
Sometimes procedure is just about organizing things.

1112
01:01:43,885 --> 01:01:47,855
Sometimes procedure, whether it's for

1113
01:01:48,435 --> 01:01:50,335
the intention of doing so

1114
01:01:50,335 --> 01:01:54,055
or not can really have a very substantive effect.

1115
01:01:56,755 --> 01:02:01,365
And anyway, kind

1116
01:02:01,365 --> 01:02:06,335
of enough said, if,

1117
01:02:06,355 --> 01:02:10,815
if it really, if we really discover it has unintendedly

1118
01:02:11,835 --> 01:02:16,575
enough of an effect at one town meeting, the

1119
01:02:17,935 --> 01:02:22,245
procedural remedy is for a group of citizens to get together

1120
01:02:22,265 --> 01:02:25,045
and file an article for the following town meeting

1121
01:02:25,895 --> 01:02:29,165
correcting the, the deficiency

1122
01:02:29,425 --> 01:02:31,205
or the, the unintended problem.

1123
01:02:33,545 --> 01:02:36,165
If, if I might just for a second time on this, the

1124
01:02:37,745 --> 01:02:42,205
single largest criticism that I've heard

1125
01:02:43,075 --> 01:02:44,685
both being outside of the finance committee

1126
01:02:44,785 --> 01:02:46,845
and inside the finance committee is

1127
01:02:46,945 --> 01:02:48,125
you're just a rubber stamp.

1128
01:02:49,025 --> 01:02:51,885
And when a huge article goes before town meeting

1129
01:02:51,985 --> 01:02:56,685
and it has limited ability to some extent

1130
01:02:58,685 --> 01:03:00,165
I would want the public to know

1131
01:03:00,165 --> 01:03:01,845
that we don't take these things lightly

1132
01:03:02,545 --> 01:03:04,685
and maybe our scope for what we can put

1133
01:03:04,685 --> 01:03:07,645
before them is maybe limited or constrained

1134
01:03:07,645 --> 01:03:11,765
because of circumstance, but not that we take it lightly.

1135
01:03:11,765 --> 01:03:15,165
That, and here's the, here's the whole thing

1136
01:03:15,225 --> 01:03:17,365
and sucks to be Utah meeting.

1137
01:03:18,685 --> 01:03:23,045
I think that if we raise the issue without them

1138
01:03:23,615 --> 01:03:26,405
being heavy handed or finger on the scale about it,

1139
01:03:26,505 --> 01:03:29,805
but I think that it, the rest

1140
01:03:29,865 --> 01:03:32,045
of our work we'll receive better

1141
01:03:32,345 --> 01:03:36,605
or reception if people know that

1142
01:03:37,185 --> 01:03:38,685
we don't take these things lightly.

1143
01:03:39,105 --> 01:03:40,405
So yeah.

1144
01:03:43,115 --> 01:03:46,605
Alright. Point taken David,

1145
01:03:49,365 --> 01:03:52,245
I often feel that I'm tilting at a windmill on this one

1146
01:03:52,745 --> 01:03:55,045
and I said probably there will be a

1147
01:03:55,045 --> 01:03:56,405
motion before our meeting.

1148
01:03:56,565 --> 01:03:58,925
I hope it will be heard favorably.

1149
01:04:01,145 --> 01:04:03,965
To echo what Julian just said, I don't want us

1150
01:04:03,965 --> 01:04:05,205
to come across as rubber stamp

1151
01:04:05,205 --> 01:04:08,925
and I don't want us to feel that we are interfering with

1152
01:04:09,725 --> 01:04:13,845
transparency and having a full blown issue.

1153
01:04:15,215 --> 01:04:17,765
While social media is not the be all end all,

1154
01:04:18,015 --> 01:04:22,325
there are enough comments out there, the public wants

1155
01:04:22,955 --> 01:04:24,565
town government to be responsive

1156
01:04:25,225 --> 01:04:30,205
and this is the opportunity to be respons the well as

1157
01:04:30,745 --> 01:04:32,645
it troubles me that the finance committee,

1158
01:04:32,665 --> 01:04:36,005
our hands are being tied here, I'll live with that.

1159
01:04:36,425 --> 01:04:41,405
But when this come the, that one particular article comes

1160
01:04:41,425 --> 01:04:44,405
before town meeting, I hope there will be the opportunity

1161
01:04:44,405 --> 01:04:46,605
to have a full discussion

1162
01:04:47,465 --> 01:04:51,645
and ask questions to pick apart a

1163
01:04:52,195 --> 01:04:56,165
very large document with large financial ramifications.

1164
01:04:57,185 --> 01:05:00,605
So that being said, and I guess we'll see all on the 28th

1165
01:05:01,935 --> 01:05:02,935
Right.

1166
01:05:02,935 --> 01:05:06,325
And and town meeting can decide what it wants to do.

1167
01:05:06,565 --> 01:05:10,525
I mean that somebody, even from the stage,

1168
01:05:11,005 --> 01:05:14,285
somebody can stand up and make a motion and get it debated

1169
01:05:14,305 --> 01:05:17,845
and make your case and you know, town meeting can vote

1170
01:05:17,845 --> 01:05:19,645
to do pretty much whatever it wants.

1171
01:05:20,345 --> 01:05:22,005
So, alright,

1172
01:05:23,475 --> 01:05:27,885
Just for one further comment for reasons Mr.

1173
01:05:28,245 --> 01:05:30,205
Munich I think articulated well.

1174
01:05:30,965 --> 01:05:32,005
I wanna commend the chair

1175
01:05:32,005 --> 01:05:36,605
for putting this discussion on our agenda tonight so

1176
01:05:36,605 --> 01:05:40,685
that we can show that members do care about something

1177
01:05:40,685 --> 01:05:44,565
that we don't really have the clear chartered

1178
01:05:45,515 --> 01:05:47,365
ability to do something about

1179
01:05:48,585 --> 01:05:49,585
As a collective.

1180
01:05:49,585 --> 01:05:50,445
That's right. Right.

1181
01:05:51,355 --> 01:05:53,445
Okay. Alright.

1182
01:05:53,955 --> 01:05:55,765
Just jumping ahead for a little bit,

1183
01:05:56,445 --> 01:05:58,485
I wanna make sure we get the meeting minutes

1184
01:05:59,075 --> 01:06:01,165
that are on listed, on the agenda approved.

1185
01:06:01,305 --> 01:06:05,565
Before we go onto anything else, has everybody had a chance

1186
01:06:05,625 --> 01:06:07,485
to read the minutes

1187
01:06:08,105 --> 01:06:09,805
and make any notes that they're going to make?

1188
01:06:10,075 --> 01:06:13,805
Send them back to KA everybody more

1189
01:06:13,805 --> 01:06:14,925
or less on board with the minutes

1190
01:06:15,065 --> 01:06:19,165
as presented. Okay.

1191
01:06:19,705 --> 01:06:21,605
I'm gonna abstain if that's okay.

1192
01:06:21,635 --> 01:06:25,285
Yeah, that's fine. I take

1193
01:06:25,395 --> 01:06:29,245
motions. I move to

1194
01:06:29,245 --> 01:06:30,245
Approve the minutes.

1195
01:06:32,605 --> 01:06:34,725
Seconded. All right.

1196
01:06:35,025 --> 01:06:36,965
Any discussion on the minutes approval?

1197
01:06:37,725 --> 01:06:40,445
I just wanna say it's March 24 and March 26.

1198
01:06:40,715 --> 01:06:43,205
Yeah, that yes, as as listed. Yes.

1199
01:06:43,205 --> 01:06:47,325
Approve the minutes as listed on the agenda. Okay.

1200
01:06:50,355 --> 01:06:53,965
Roll call vote on the minutes approval Dirk?

1201
01:06:54,625 --> 01:06:58,445
Aye David? Aye. Patricia? Aye.

1202
01:06:59,535 --> 01:07:04,245
Donna Abstains. Grace? Yes. Jean?

1203
01:07:05,305 --> 01:07:10,085
Yes. Kat? Yes. Julian? Yes. Matt? Yes. Richard?

1204
01:07:10,505 --> 01:07:13,445
Yes. Gary? Yes. And I'm a yes.

1205
01:07:14,515 --> 01:07:16,525
Alright, thank you.

1206
01:07:17,225 --> 01:07:21,205
Oh and post fact of debate.

1207
01:07:21,235 --> 01:07:23,685
Once again I admire

1208
01:07:23,705 --> 01:07:25,365
and appreciate anybody that can take

1209
01:07:26,065 --> 01:07:30,405
my participation in a meeting and without using emoticons

1210
01:07:30,405 --> 01:07:32,845
and other things, so thank you.

1211
01:07:34,395 --> 01:07:36,365
Okay. Alright.

1212
01:07:37,605 --> 01:07:39,685
I guess I can give you a status update on

1213
01:07:39,685 --> 01:07:42,165
where we are on town meeting materials.

1214
01:07:43,465 --> 01:07:45,445
Now that we've taken the last two votes.

1215
01:07:45,805 --> 01:07:50,005
I can update two lines on a table that gets sent out

1216
01:07:50,025 --> 01:07:53,605
to town meeting members that tells all

1217
01:07:53,605 --> 01:07:56,485
of our votes the quantum is required at town meeting

1218
01:07:57,695 --> 01:07:59,685
dates, things like that.

1219
01:07:59,985 --> 01:08:04,605
And then it goes with a couple of blocks of

1220
01:08:05,675 --> 01:08:07,325
pertinent financial data,

1221
01:08:07,375 --> 01:08:12,085
which will also show up in the town meeting book.

1222
01:08:12,545 --> 01:08:14,405
We usually just give them a couple of chunks

1223
01:08:14,405 --> 01:08:15,845
of high level things to

1224
01:08:16,465 --> 01:08:18,005
get them thinking through the process.

1225
01:08:18,305 --> 01:08:21,045
But it has things like all the appropriations,

1226
01:08:21,425 --> 01:08:26,125
all the funding sources, debt service schedule,

1227
01:08:26,595 --> 01:08:29,965
some financial ratios, things that typically come up

1228
01:08:29,985 --> 01:08:32,365
and get asked like what are all the

1229
01:08:35,875 --> 01:08:38,085
account balances for, you know,

1230
01:08:38,085 --> 01:08:39,925
the various funds and things like that.

1231
01:08:40,185 --> 01:08:44,325
So it's four, four page, four pages,

1232
01:08:45,085 --> 01:08:48,725
double-sided tube sheets of paper this year.

1233
01:08:48,745 --> 01:08:51,925
It also includes the announcement that the

1234
01:08:52,595 --> 01:08:56,325
moderator is conducting a town meeting member orientation

1235
01:08:57,225 --> 01:09:01,165
at Kennedy on the 14th, I believe is what it was.

1236
01:09:02,025 --> 01:09:04,325
So just get that out there

1237
01:09:05,145 --> 01:09:07,405
in a little bit sooner than they would get the book.

1238
01:09:07,435 --> 01:09:09,045
They at least have the announcement that

1239
01:09:09,675 --> 01:09:13,085
there's an orientation if town meeting members want to

1240
01:09:14,055 --> 01:09:15,325
avail themselves of that.

1241
01:09:16,745 --> 01:09:18,405
So that's, that goes out tomorrow.

1242
01:09:18,785 --> 01:09:23,285
And then the full book, I think except

1243
01:09:23,305 --> 01:09:25,725
for the two items which we were discussing this evening,

1244
01:09:26,825 --> 01:09:30,845
at least a draft has been done of all other warrant articles

1245
01:09:32,765 --> 01:09:35,805
I went through and reviewed ones that I hadn't written.

1246
01:09:36,025 --> 01:09:37,605
So some of the reviews are done.

1247
01:09:39,385 --> 01:09:41,525
So I guess Dirk

1248
01:09:41,545 --> 01:09:44,845
and I signed up for the two that we're hearing tonight.

1249
01:09:44,905 --> 01:09:47,125
So those will be done sometime tomorrow

1250
01:09:47,225 --> 01:09:50,325
or the day, you know, imminent imminently done tonight.

1251
01:09:51,585 --> 01:09:53,845
So that will have all the warrant articles written.

1252
01:09:54,125 --> 01:09:57,445
I have most of the non-war article

1253
01:09:58,275 --> 01:09:59,885
book materials gathered.

1254
01:10:00,645 --> 01:10:03,005
I still need a couple of town reports and things like that.

1255
01:10:03,785 --> 01:10:07,605
And then there's a block of data and exhibits

1256
01:10:07,785 --> 01:10:09,605
and things like that that I take out

1257
01:10:09,665 --> 01:10:13,085
of the amended town administrator's budget book

1258
01:10:14,025 --> 01:10:15,925
that's not quite ready for print yet.

1259
01:10:16,505 --> 01:10:21,445
So as soon as that gets done, I'll do those extracts,

1260
01:10:21,475 --> 01:10:22,845
include them in our report,

1261
01:10:23,105 --> 01:10:26,045
and then I'll be able to go to, to print in the mail.

1262
01:10:27,065 --> 01:10:31,325
It might not be the scheduled time, which was this Friday.

1263
01:10:31,665 --> 01:10:35,325
It might, depending on when the TA book gets published,

1264
01:10:35,345 --> 01:10:37,925
it might be, you know, the first couple days of next week.

1265
01:10:38,105 --> 01:10:41,325
But we're well ahead of schedule for an April 28th

1266
01:10:43,395 --> 01:10:44,405
town meeting start.

1267
01:10:44,625 --> 01:10:46,085
So I think we're okay on that.

1268
01:10:47,185 --> 01:10:50,325
But people are still welcome to take a look at the folders

1269
01:10:51,865 --> 01:10:55,125
go through and we can have more than one person reading

1270
01:10:55,125 --> 01:10:56,565
through things and reviewing them,

1271
01:10:56,665 --> 01:10:59,085
but it's pretty much time for

1272
01:11:02,075 --> 01:11:03,325
that to be wrapped up.

1273
01:11:03,745 --> 01:11:06,725
So any other questions

1274
01:11:06,745 --> 01:11:10,765
or anything like that on town meeting member materials

1275
01:11:10,765 --> 01:11:15,485
that we send out after tonight's letter

1276
01:11:16,625 --> 01:11:19,365
to town meeting members is complete.

1277
01:11:19,865 --> 01:11:22,565
And in the mail I'll circulate an electronic copy

1278
01:11:22,625 --> 01:11:24,805
for everybody just as an FYI thing.

1279
01:11:27,075 --> 01:11:30,965
Okay. Committee members' concerns, questions,

1280
01:11:32,125 --> 01:11:36,965
feedback, things that we need to deal with for town meeting

1281
01:11:36,965 --> 01:11:38,685
because we don't have any other meetings

1282
01:11:38,685 --> 01:11:40,005
scheduled between now and then.

1283
01:11:42,895 --> 01:11:44,965
Don't see anybody with a hand up online.

1284
01:11:46,505 --> 01:11:50,845
And Julian, as far as the, from town administration,

1285
01:11:51,685 --> 01:11:53,245
there's absolutely zero sense

1286
01:11:53,245 --> 01:11:55,445
that there will be any collective bargaining unit

1287
01:11:55,505 --> 01:11:57,005
or other things between now

1288
01:11:57,025 --> 01:11:59,605
and the first night of town meeting. It's

1289
01:11:59,985 --> 01:12:04,005
The, the window was to hit tonight's meeting.

1290
01:12:04,685 --> 01:12:07,805
They definitely didn't make, they're still,

1291
01:12:07,805 --> 01:12:09,245
everybody's still working on it

1292
01:12:09,345 --> 01:12:13,005
and I haven't heard that there's gonna be anything

1293
01:12:14,235 --> 01:12:15,725
between our last meeting

1294
01:12:15,745 --> 01:12:17,605
and the start of town meeting. I, I just,

1295
01:12:17,875 --> 01:12:19,365
Just, just haunting memories

1296
01:12:19,385 --> 01:12:23,525
of there being a finance committee meeting scheduled for

1297
01:12:24,625 --> 01:12:26,085
six o'clock in the high school.

1298
01:12:26,455 --> 01:12:28,205
Right. In the classroom. 'cause Yeah,

1299
01:12:28,795 --> 01:12:30,445
Yeah, no, nobody's asked for that

1300
01:12:30,585 --> 01:12:32,525
and we'll, you know, if it comes up

1301
01:12:32,525 --> 01:12:35,525
and it seems to be important, we will, I'll ask

1302
01:12:35,545 --> 01:12:36,925
and we will entertain that question,

1303
01:12:37,065 --> 01:12:39,165
but so far I haven't heard anything about it.

1304
01:12:41,495 --> 01:12:45,885
Other questions? All right then

1305
01:12:47,125 --> 01:12:48,805
I guess we'll take a motion to adjourn these.

1306
01:12:48,905 --> 01:12:52,045
So moved. All right then second. All right.

1307
01:12:52,565 --> 01:12:56,645
That's a non debatable motion. Everybody wave.

1308
01:12:56,835 --> 01:13:00,405
Have a good evening. We are adjourned. Thank you.