All right, we'll go ahead and call the
parks board meeting to order on March
12th. Um, and we have roll call, please.
>> Here.
>> Okay. Would you join me in the pledge of
allegiance?
» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.
right.
We will start out. Everybody
should have a copy of the previous
lease agreement with the city. Um, at
this point in time, we do not have
anything. We haven't gotten anything
from the city, so we're still waiting to
see um
what comes out of that. Um, this kind of
puts us in a precarious position because
we can't do anything on any of the
properties that are owned up there by
the city until we have a lease
agreement, you know, that or it becomes
property of the the county. So that I
just wanted to make sure that everybody
did have a copy of this so you could
read through here. Um
and
when we do have something from the city
then we can actually go through and look
at it compare apples to apples and at
that point in time we'll
make some decisions. But right now um we
don't have anything. So, we're
kind of waiting in the dark right now.
So, okay. Um,
grant request for the shelters. Do you
want to cover that, Michael, or you want
me?
>> Uh, well, do you want to backtrack a
little bit and talk about the approval
of the minutes before we forget?
>> Well, that would probably be a good
idea. Sorry, I missed that. Didn't have
my glasses on when I was reading that.
So, do I have a motion for approval of
the minutes from our last meeting?
>> So, move.
>> Okay. Do we have a second?
>> Second.
>> Okay. Motion made by John, seconded by
Justin. All in favor say I.
>> I.
>> All right. So moved. Thank you for the
reminder.
>> Yeah. Um,
so with the bear trap shelters, we are
pursuing um
grant requests.
I'm trying to um I think the plan is to
uh submit to a state outdoor wreck uh
fund for request that's open till
early April, I think. So,
>> I'm in the process of filling that out
so we can get that submitted. Uh the way
that grant works is if your request is
under two thou $200,000, it doesn't
require legislature review. So, uh, with
that in mind, the intent is to apply for
one, um, shelter, the east shelter,
which will be the easiest one to to
build and get get up and going. Um, and
keep it under that that benchmark so we
don't have to wait for legislature to
review these applications.
Um, I believe there's $2 million in the
fund. Uh, so it' be highly competitive.
Um, so we'll see where that lands.
Um
that is something that we need to talk
about a little bit more as far as if
we're just looking for one or if we're
looking for a total amount and stretch
that as far as we can. Um it is a 4060
request. So um
we do have we do have some options as
coming as far as coming up with a 40%
that may be able to move from
one place to another to get that get
that done. But um
we are that is kind of what we're
looking at right now. So um I would
rather have the
something that
if we could get more than one done, I
would rather do that, pursue that route.
Um, and we can get some numbers, we can
get some hard numbers between now and
April 1st. Um,
to kind of kind of figure out just
exactly what we can do and what we can't
do.
But I think that's something that we can
we need to look at and just ask for a I
don't want to go to the 200k because I
don't want to I don't want anything to
have to go to the for legislative
approval. But I do think this is
something that would be u everybody's
been asking about for a long time. So I
think we need to get as much much bang
for the buck as we can out of this.
Michael, now was do you know we did we
have discussed this with the
collaborative board in the past?
>> Yes, I believe so. I think I may have a
letter of support from past requests.
So, I I'll check with Amy on that and
make sure. I know there's been a few
going through that missed the meeting uh
that they're asking for support.
>> Um
>> yeah, I couldn't get logged in the other
day. Yeah. didn't like my my login. So,
I it let me in and then it kicked me
out. So, I and then it refused to let me
back in after that. So, I must have been
done something I wasn't supposed to do.
I logged in. So, anyway.
Okay. But I'll get with you on that.
We'll get some we'll get some hard
numbers together and put some proposals
together. So,
anything else on the
>> Not not on that. Um, I just need to find
a little more time to get working
through the application, but I've been
gathering some of the information. So,
uh, it's coming together.
>> Okay. All right.
>> Um,
last item I have for Casper Mountain is
a wayfinding sign. Just an update. And
these are the vehic vehicular wayfinding
signs. um
visit Casper um came up with funding for
this and and decided um kind of which
ones they wanted to do. These are all
basically along the Casper Mountain Road
corridor. Um you'll see them if you go
up there. They're real similar to the
signs you see around town. Um they're
not quite done putting them in. Uh we'll
be doing a a check through them um
probably in the next few weeks, but I
think they have most of them. They had
some equipment issues and whatnot. Um
but that that didn't come out of our u
out of our budget that came out of visit
Casper paid paid for those signs. They
didn't have enough funds to do all 23 or
26 signs. So I think we did 13 or 14. So
hopefully that helps. Um along with that
with the new signs,
uh I'll be reviewing the old some of the
older wooden signs with staff and kind
of seeing what doesn't make sense with
the new signs and seeing what needs to
be changed. And some of them just need
to be um cleaned up and restained and um
just spruced up some. So we'll be
working on that this spring on signs up
there.
Um, that's basically all I have for Cast
Mountain this time. Uh, like to state
that we're we're out of snow. We did get
two inches other night. It's pretty much
gone. There's there's really no base
underneath most of it. So, um,
you can hope for a little more snow, but
I I don't think it's going to stick. So,
ground. It was 62 degrees up there today
with 45 mph winds. So, snow is going to
go
70s down here next week. So, it's uh I
think
>> so.
we'll be transitioning to uh the
camping season here in the next couple
months.
>> Okay. And just so everybody knows, until
we get that lease agreement, there are
we're going to be real limited on what
areas we can actually work on. We won't
be able to work in the the Tower Hill
campground. We won't have to be able to
work in some of the other locations
because we don't have that lease
agreement.
>> Yeah. So, the parks department is
putting together a list of
things that I need to clarify with um if we can still operate or not um with
the legal department and that's
obviously it's campgrounds, some
outouses, trails, you know, having
events. I mean, um, I don't know if I
can sign off on events up there for the
summer if it's not, you know, we don't
have any authorization on the property.
So, uh, those are questions I'm getting
answered and, um, we'll find out and
I'll notify the the parties that tend to
want to have those types of, uh, runs or
mountain bike, uh, races and things of
that sort so that everything's clear and
open and everybody understands who's
responsible for what. So,
>> and just so everybody knows, um,
this is a process that has been in the
works for
almost four years now. You know, we've
been trying to get this taken care of
and it
>> um and it's not because of a lack of
effort. It's just because it hasn't come
to fruition yet. And we're at the point
now
>> where um we're limited liabilitywise on
what we can and can't do up there
because we are not property owners.
And chairman, if I can make this clear
to everybody,
this board and myself,
we're not involved in with with the
transaction of this on how this is being
completed and discussed and negotiated.
So, uh, that lands on the commission at
this time. So, uh, just so everybody
knows that, um, we only know so much
from what we hear and, uh, that's pretty
much it. So, we don't we're pretty much
in the dark as well as everybody else on
this, but we wanted to bring this to
everybody's attention.
>> Yeah. Okay.
» Alcoa.
>> Okay. So, the lot permit review that we
worked on and this board came to a um an
endpoint where we submitted them to the
bure. Uh the bureau wreck today sent me
back a few comments. I haven't had a
time to go through them. Um I think
they're sending that um draft up to
their regional office in Montana. Uh so
we're hoping to hear back from them
fairly soon. They had a few questions um
you know about storage of golf carts and
um side by sides through the winter
season in the trailer park or at the
cabins. Um that was one question if if
they thought that should happen or not.
Um so that may change a little bit. Um
they did have they asked for
clarification on how I calculated the
fixed escalator rate. So I sent the sent
my spreadsheet that does the
calculations along with the um
explanation on how that comes that I was
provided by the state uh that I
followed. So um hopefully we'll have
those coming fairly soon. Um I really
would like to have them by the end of
the month so that we can start sending
those out with invoices and whatnot and
getting them signed and everything. Um,
in 2021,
we really didn't get approval for those
lot permits till the end of May, so we
were behind the curve then. Um, but I
think we're in a little better place and
there's a lot less revisions this time
around than there was last time.
So,
any questions on on the permit process
and where we're at?
Um, I just wanted to put out there, uh,
it's that time of year to start firing
up the water system at the lake that operates the trailers and the clubs
and the marina. Um, our schedule
is we're going to begin um, April 2nd,
and this is a a chlorination uh,
process. fill the tank all the way full.
Uh the third is Good Friday. That's a
county holiday, so we won't be doing
anything then. My staff has shifted to a
Tuesday through Friday schedule, 10-hour
days out there since um the more
daylight. So, we will drain and fill the
system April 7th, which is when we will
check for leaks and whatnot. Um, and
then we will sample uh the water on
April 8th. And um, as long as that
sample comes back clear, we will have
plottable water the 15th. Um, so that's the schedule.
>> Michael, are are we going to as a staff
going to make sure that the lines are turned off at each of the
trailers this year before? We will turn
all our valves off. Now, um I sent out
notice last
before the end of the season last year
asking everybody to disconnect from our
system completely. Um I think there was
a handful of them that had not and and
not to reconnect until after the 15th.
>> Okay, that's that's basically where I
was going with that just to make sure
that we don't have any
>> issues in case somebody has a a problem
inside their trailer.
>> Right. that that's identified ahead of
time. So, okay.
» Um,
the last item I had for for the
reservoirs is the
trailer lottery process. Uh, we did a
revision
about two years ago, a little bit uh to
try and increase the number of um people
drawn, unique people drawn on the list.
Um because the old system had it where
uh your name could be drawn several
times. Every time a trailer went up for
sale, you So if five trailers were up
for sale, somebody's name could be on
all five lists. Um even though everybody
gets all five lists. So what we've done
is um once your name's drawn, it's
removed from the lottery pool. And so
that name's on there and all five
trailers still get could sell to that
one name if they wanted to, but it it
allows four more names to be added to
those lists. So you actually have 20
unique individual or
yeah 25 unique individuals versus 21. Um
and then like if you had three names
drawn the same, it decreases how many
names are out there. Um, so staff is
looking at and and we'll bring this in
front of the board at some point before
submitting to the B for review. Um,
there's been seems like a significant
increase of people applying for the
lottery that have the same address. Um,
you know, husband and wife applying. Um,
and there's some federal rules that we
have to comply by. So, we can't, you
know, say no. Um, only one person with
the same last name, we can't can't do
that. But anyways, to increase their
odds of getting drawn,
you know, if if you have like my
household, if I put in and my wife put
in and my two adult children put in that
use our address, that's four shots at
getting on there. And then once one of
us gets on there and then we add add the
other names. So if one of my daughters
got on there, they could add one of the
parents' names to the permit and
purchase, you know. So it increases the
odds, but it decreases the number of
individuals that the person selling
their trailer has a chance to sell to.
So um you know, we're looking at both
sides of the coin. It's like how do we
improve it for the public, but how do we
improve it for the folks selling their
trailers while still following the
federal regulations?
So, uh, I just wanted to give you guys a
heads up that we're working on that and
may and maybe these ideas are not good
and and you guys shut them down or maybe
they're great and we've revised them.
>> You know, I think,
you know, and Russ, you guys can jump in
here anytime you'd like to. I'm I I'm
just talking because I have my mic on.
Um I do think that it's a good idea that we you know it doesn't really
bother me so much that people have
multiple names on there. But if we only
use one address,
you know that if it's associated with
that single address, then you eliminate
the rest of the So you're you're
basically so you can't pull three people
from the same address
on the first one,
>> right?
>> So all you're all you're doing is
pulling one address and that way those
people that are associated with that
would have that opportunity. Um it, you
know, and I realize that there are
situations where you may have kids still
living at home or something like that.
Um that we may have to look at it a
little bit more specifically.
Um,
but to increase the opportunity for
people to be able to sell their trailer
and to provide more names out there for
the people that are selling the trailer,
I think that that that's very
beneficial, you know, and I see you guys
shaking your heads back there that are
out of the trailer park. And so we're
trying to we're we realize that there's
some things that we need to work on and
I think this this might be an easy way
to do it um to to assist in getting more
names for the people that are trying to
sell their their trailers. So,
>> no, I agree with that. Um, a thousand%
because I given the way the lottery
process currently works, if you were,
say your family all, you know, put their
names in and I was trying to sell my
trailer out there, I could potentially
get, you know, you and your wife and
your daughter.
>> Yeah.
>> You could get four names from the same
household when only five names are
drawn. I mean,
>> right. and then I'm really only getting
one real offer. And I think that if
we're tied down to the 10 names that
we're able to pick from, getting 10
individual
names of people that are interested are
really important to that process. So,
you are able to, you know, sell your
trailer if that's what you're wanting to
do.
» Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree also with this
and and as you've seen, I'm sure Michael
since you've been here for the last few
years, the number of trailers coming up
are not as much as they used to. I mean,
we've had kind of a a turnaround and
have a lot of new people in the trailer
park. And I think that it happens. You
know, you only have one or two trailers
come up and with that, you're really
taking it away from that person to sell
to someone with it. You know, um years
ago, there'd be like six or seven
trailers come up, you know. But when you
only one or two trailers and just like
she was saying as far as you're I'm
trying to put my trailer up and you have
three of your names on there and that's
the only thing about it. You only get
five names and now someone else puts up
you can get an additional five. So I
think that's some real good things
you're looking at um to give a bit
better chance out there for for both the
people that are trying to draw out there
and also for the people trying to sell.
So I like those ideas. Okay. So, I'll bring a draft with the proposed
revisions to um well, I'll try and get
it to the board before that, but bring
it to the next meeting uh so it can be
talked about and discussed a little bit,
>> you know, and
to muddy the waters a little bit. Maybe
we maybe it's one of those things that
if you have three people on that that
any one of those three people that are
living at their residence could buy a
trailer but they don't get they don't
keep getting their name passed on if
they choose to buy one then that's the one they get you know so if
the kids are living there and they
decide well I don't really want to live
I don't really want to buy that but the
parents do fine the parents do but the
kids can't the kids have to put their
name back in the next year you Well,
they they still have that opportunity,
but it just gives
>> the people that are owning the trailers
more names and more opportunities
because if you end up having a bunch of
people that are looking for a specific
trailer and they're waiting for that one
to come up,
then that really limits limits your pool
on how many people you have to draw
from. And that's not fair. That's I I
don't believe that that was a reason why
the lottery system was designed. And you
know guys, people there's always people
that are going to figure out how to game
the system. It doesn't matter what it
is, there's always a way to to outdo it.
And I think that would be something that
if we do it by address and say, okay,
just one person from that address is is
allowed to to purchase that then. So,
yeah, if uh this board has any ideas or
thoughts on that, feel free to email me.
And if the public has any ideas or
thoughts on how we should maybe revise
the lottery process, please email me and we'll take those into consideration.
>> Yeah, I think I would just like to make
sure that we see that we have five
unique names, right?
>> And definitely, you know, different
families or however. Right now, we do
have five unique names. We just don't
have five unique households.
>> Households. Yeah. And so, I' I'd like to
see it spread out a little bit more to
more fair to those that are trying to
sell.
>> Yeah. So, any any other comments on
that?
>> I mean, that that's pretty much all I
have to report. Um, as for the water
system, I do have staff going to water
conference here in April. That's the
week after we turn on the system. Um, so
we'll be down to one staff member out at
the lake uh that week.
>> That's all I have.
>> Okay.
Any other new new business?
All right. Old old business. Michael,
would you kind of give us an update on
Hell's Halfacre and, you know, just
where we're at as far as the kioses, the
>> the boardwalks. So, Healthapre um the
grants were uh provided to visit Casper.
So, they had the funds um to allocate uh
we built a new boardwalk with a viewing
deck. Uh gives you a great vantage
point. Uh we were able to do replace the
fencing that was 6 feet tall with barb
wire on top down to a 4 foot chain
length so you can now see over the top
and take pictures over the top versus
through the fencing. Uh we did gravel
and grade the parking lot. We graveled
the access to the picnic shelters around
there. We created an additional parking
area over there. So, when that's open,
uh, we purchased, uh, picnic tables and
trash cans for it. And the last thing
that came out of the grant money was,
um, seed, uh, so that we can recede the,
uh, disturbed area by the boardwalk in
the point and get that coming back to
natural status. Um, and then we have
some, uh,
wooden ballards that we're going to
install.
uh between the parking area and the
viewing area. Um and those will start
going in next week. Uh Visit Casper has
reached out to Chamber of Commerce. They
are having an open uh ribbon cutting, I
guess. May 8th. I don't remember what
time. I'll have to look that up. Um
that's a Friday.
>> Okay.
>> Um out there. And I um I think they've
got some plans for some things out
there. I I was in their meeting, but I
don't remember exactly what the plan
was. I was letting somebody else take
the reigns on that.
So yeah. Uh oh, yeah. And then uh we did
purchase create and purchase uh eight
likeformational educational signs. So,
park staff is is now building uh mounts
for those to be mounted on the
boardwalk. Um,
some of them are about the history. I
think one's about geology, one's about
the movie that was filmed out there,
Starship Troopers. Um, so yeah, just a
general educational of how it was
created,
who who used it, and what, you know,
what's been done down there. So, Yeah,
that sells half acre.
» Can I go back to the trailer thing for a
minute? I have one more.
>> Wherever you want to go, I'm good.
>> So, I don't know all the rules and
everything, but is there a way? So, say
somebody's looking for a specific type
of property. say they want three
bedrooms or something and what has come
up is like a twobedroom
and they're going to say no. So that's
clearly like something, you know,
they're not going to want to purchase or
maybe it's a onebedroom or, you know, is
there a way for us to kind of weed some
of that out so that we're definitely
like drawing names that are interested
in the specific property type? I realize
it's a lottery and but maybe if there's
a way that we're getting five names that
are definitely interested because say
you've got a one or twobedroom property
but somebody's like I can't be on
anything less than three bedrooms like
then that's kind of a wasted name to
give them. So, is there a way to do
that?
>> That would be that would be fairly easy
to do and leave that up to the people
that are putting their name on the list
and say, "What are you interested in?"
And these are, you know, and we will
only pull pull your name or put your
name in ones that are specific to that.
Um,
that's that's not we're not going around
the lottery system at all.
>> We're just working within the way it is.
And I I think that would be a great
idea. Um, you know, there's certain
things that we can't be too specific
about,
>> right?
>> You know, when you start saying, "Well,
I only want something that's right next
to the
>> to the like, you know, or something like
that." It's like, that's a little bit
too specific. But if you're looking for
something,
>> you've got five people or six people in
your family, you're not going to be in a
onebedroom or two-bedroom, you might
want that threebedroom. I'm I'm just
trying to think of ways to make sure
that we're getting five names that are
good candidates.
>> Yeah.
So, it's not a wasted.
>> Well, and that does that that actually
opens it up to people that would more
>> be more interested in in specific types
of property. And and like I said, all we
could do is just put that on there and
say, "Are you interested in this?" Check the ones you're interested in. If
these come up, then uh and your name
gets pulled,
then we'll contact you. If it if you if
your name comes up and these aren't
things that you're interested in, then
we'll go on to the next person. It's
still a lottery system. It's still doing
the same thing. We're just basically
skipping over. I mean, it's kind of like
a first, second, and third choice
>> on I think I could
>> on an application.
>> I think we could build. So right now we
put everybody's name that wants to be on
the lottery in a spreadsheet and they're
assigned, you know, 1, two, three, four,
however they come in. So do that. And
then
we go to a computer program and we say
we want to draw, you know, it's going to
draw five names for this lot and we have
46 names in the list.
Um, so then it draws five numbers out of
46 and tells us that and then we go back
to list and go, okay, number 27 was
drawn, so that's this person we put on
the list.
>> So I think I could build
>> I think you could build like a pivot
table that had the extra columns on the
side that's like
>> add a column for one bedroom, two
bedroom, threebedroom, one bath, two
bath, right? or
>> those those scenarios and then only
check like John Doe is interested in one
two or threebedroom and so you'd put an
X under one X under two X under three
but Jane do is only interested in a
threebedroom so you would leave one and
two blank and put an X in three and then
pivot them
>> so the seller will have to notify us
when they sell
>> the Yeah.
>> What their trailer has.
>> Yeah. And then you could sort it by like
three bedrooms and then only the people
that have marked that with
>> possibility,
>> you know. And there there's been a few
individuals over the last 5 years that,
you know, they bought a trailer and then
they just replace the trailer.
>> Well, and and that's something you could
put
>> economically for me. That's That's kind
of crazy, but I know there's
>> But if you put something on there where
you'll take anything that comes
available,
>> right,
>> then that's fine. That's easy. Or if
you're going to be more specific,
>> y
>> you know that you don't want to do that.
>> So, yeah, we can work on a process.
We'll we'll test we'll test a process
and see if that'll work um
before we bring that to the table here.
But yeah, we can do that.
>> Thanks, Mike.
Anything else? Anything else?
Any other new business? No. Okay.
Um,
I will guess we'll go to public comment
at this point in time.
You'll have to turn that on and please
state your name and address.
Brad Oracle 5660 O'keeer Road, Casper,
Wyoming 82604.
Um, first thing is why not get the whole
list? It increases everybody's chances
there. Necking it down to five like
we've been talking really limits us to
who we can sell to and who we can't. And
then the other thing is why are we the
only one Alcoa that's on a lottery list?
So, Alcover Marina, um, they have to be
on an annual lottery for their RV sites.
Same with the Pathfinder Marina now. So,
if you were grandfathered in in those RV
sites, you can stay, but as soon as you
give up, then it becomes an annual
lottery for those spots. Um,
the Casper Water Ski Club under their
own stuff, they do a lottery for their
vacancies. And um
>> they're doing the same thing like you're
talking about though where they're
putting four names in under one address
and that way they increase that way they
increase their odds of drawing. I don't
have a problem with the address thing. I
get that. But then if we've got a 46
names on our list and every household's
putting two or three names down, that
draws our list down to about 10 to 12,
you know, and we'd get that whole list.
That would be that's a win for
everybody.
>> So that's that's the bureau wreck
dictating that we cannot just cuz if we
just gave you the whole list, all they
got to do is put their name on the list
and you it's like putting it up for sale
commercial, you know, through a realtor.
>> Well, they're allowed to do that at the
cabins.
So, my understanding, and I don't have
um the actual regulations or letters of
this, and this is from conversations
with the Bureau of Recre, is the cabins
are because they're fixed structures to
the land is why they're different.
So, you know, your mobile home is it
says mobile in the front of it. So,
that's
>> right. Well, that's my understanding of
why it's different.
>> Yeah. like the one we had to get removed
that was, you know, highly contaminated
with animals and other things in there
that cost us how much money to get
removed here? What was it? Two years
ago, three years ago out there on the
corner. Second one in, third one in,
>> right? Yeah, that that was removed
because uh the permit didn't pay their
rent. Um, and that that took
>> and along with all the uh the rats and
everything that were contaminating the
trailers that were
>> and I will speak that that's not the
only one that we had removed because
they hadn't paid the rent.
>> Oh, I know that that was another one up
there.
>> Yeah. And that's actually
>> Yeah. And that was my other thing that I
wrote down.
>> Point of contention that we had too is
that you know if you don't pay your rent
then that's it. Well, I know one of them
they hadn't paid rent for years on.
>> Yeah. And there but Well, there was all
three of them were like that. They
hadn't paid rent for a long time. And
there was one of them that hadn't paid
rent for at least seven years. And for
it to have taken that long to get
through the process.
I That was when I first got on the
commission and it was like this is
crazy. This didn't make any sense at
all. a year, you know, to where somebody
moved or had family deaths and, you
know, I get an accidental year, but if
you're not if you're more than a year to
Lincoln and are not answering any emails
or mails, I mean, I get our point of
that, but like I was you guys were
saying, there's certain people waiting
for certain spots. We've got an empty
spot that's open now that some people
are waiting just to see if their name's
drawn on it. You hand me five names and
it's they're not the ones looked all
their wants that empty spot. I'm in a
pick. I'll try to get rid of my place.
>> So, like I was said, Mr. As far as it
is, um the BR is the one that kind of
has this board what is um what we can do
and can't do. Like you said, we can't
just give all 46 names. They they put it
that in from original lease from
whenever this all happened between us
all. They have said that they realize
that the lottery system is not perfect
and that's why Michael's trying to work
on stuff and also reason why I've
reached out the trailer park board to
come up because they said if you guys
can give us something bring it to us but
as of right now we have to so they're
the ones enforcing the the lottery on
the way it has to be done. So that's
kind of why we're trying to spitball
this all together to try to make it a
lot better out there. it when we met
with them. They like it has to stand how
it is until you give us something better
and we approve it or not. So,
>> well, and can I
>> Yeah, I'm just saying so there is some
things we've been trying to work on.
They're not opposed. There's no They did
say there's no way the lottery system is
not going away. They said that the
lottery system will always be here.
>> I
get that we're saying we got to do the
lottery system. But five names ain't
very many names to pick from. Can we get
it bumped?
>> Well, we we can ask for that. I mean,
>> that's that's something we can we can
ask for as far as So, yeah, there that
is.
>> I mean, that
>> that's the reason why
>> that doubled my chances, you know. I
mean,
>> well, and part of that if you have an
address that's associated with it, that
may bump the numbers a number of names
you have available all by itself. So,
we're not we're not trying to be
difficult. We got, like John said, we we
have to work within what the Bureau of
Rec will allow us to do. We can present
it to them and we can ask them and I
don't have any problem with asking them,
but um they have the final say on what
we can and can't do. And so just just so
you understand that right up front, it's
not that we're saying we're not willing
to work with you, but
>> we're kind of we're kind of in between.
We're in the middle.
>> I get that. I don't want to be devil
advocate, but I put my address down for
my name to be drawn.
>> All my wife's got to do is put down her
parents address or a work address.
There's other ways to that system
>> or PO box. There's loopholes still.
>> And I know I get there's loopholes and I
understand why people that really want a
trailer put four names in there. I get
some of that also. That's I mean there's
>> well and to your point about vacant lots
and then there tends to be a lot more
interest but they're only interested in
that lot. Maybe we put
>> so
>> that on one two threebedroom or vacant
because if you're only interested in the
vacant lot you know there's no point in
contacting you for
>> another one that came available.
>> Let me give you a little history on on
the vacant lot. We had we removed three
trailers and two of them as soon as we
got them removed. We put those into a
special lottery and drew names and they
got, you know, two names were drawn and
they got those vacant lots to put I
think both of them put fifth wheels on
them.
>> One hasn't put anything permanent on it
yet. Well, that one that one I haven't
put in the system. Um because when we
changed the lottery process last time,
if a trailer doesn't sell
um by the May 19th, that lot reverts
back to the county to determine best
use. And the parks department hasn't
determined best use for that.
>> No, I'm talking I think it's lot three
when you come in. They pull their camper
in and out and
>> Right. And that was one that was done in
a special drawing. Um that one and then
one on the back that's a fifth wheel
with a new
>> they made it permanent like you guys
have asked us to know where where we're
trying to follow our rules.
>> You know, you can have a fifth wheel on
your lot. You don't have to. And you can
pull it in and out. We don't have a
problem with that. Um you know, so there
are some fifth wheels and trailers
throughout the park there. Um, but that
and that's not a problem. And you can
replace your trailer as long as you go
through the process to get a new
trailer.
>> Oh, yeah. I've been down there and took
pictures of all the new ones that that
put in there the last few years and I'm
sure you got some of them on that one
new one that went down there on the
front row that was only a six inches off
and you made them move it and
everything. And
>> so, yeah. So, um, you know, there's that process and and like I
said, that vacant lot, I wasn't pleased with the way that
lottery went for vacant lots. So, we're
that may become a an overnight spot and
because we have a high demand for full
hookup spots, uh, and we have two of
those in the trailer park now, it may
stay vacant. Um, there's one trailer
that has a storm major storm water
issue.
um
you know and I offered the vacant lot
for them to relocate to. They did not
want to do that. But if there if we have
another instance where there's a trailer
that needs to be relocated, I the county
has a current vacant lot that we can
relocate them to if if needed.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, those old trailers, and
you know that as well as I do, you
you're not going to just jack one of
them up, put wheels over it, and wheel
it over. And I know that that trailer
they're talking about has been redone
inside. It's beautiful inside of it. So,
and I get it. I mean, there's other ways
so we can take care of the water issues.
Agreed.
>> So, at this point in time, lot 112, the
parks department hasn't determined what
the best use for that is. And and
that'll be discussed with the parks
board at the time. We need to discuss
that, but right now it'll it'll stay
vacant.
>> Okay. Yeah, I'd like to see if we could
at least, you know, the 10 sounded
really good to me. That five I mean,
yeah, I'd like to buy a trailer, but I
don't have no funds because it's, we all
know it's a cash fund only. You're not
going to be able to go get a loan for a
trailer out there.
Is there language on the um
lottery permit that explains that this
is a cash sale? And like are the people
that are signing up aware of what
they're signing up?
>> No, because County Parks deals with the
lot and rental of the lot.
>> Got it.
>> We're not involved with the transaction
of the sale of private property, which
the trailer's private property. That's
why if we only give five names and you
put your trailer up for sale, none of
them five, I think it's written there
somewhere in there that you have after
your times up, you have to remove your
trailer from that lot, right?
>> And that's why we're trying to get more
names to us, you know, cuz a lot of them
trailers have been redone inside and
people are working on trying to get
permits to rewire it. I tried to get one
years ago and it was once you tear down
the siding on the inside, they wouldn't
allow me to do any work in there. I was
only allowed to repair one panel at a
time. Well, you can't rewire an old 60s
trailer with one panel down at a time,
you know, and then you'd put sheetrock
on top of that, which would help
everybody because if today if something
happened out there at the lake, there
wouldn't be a thing left,
>> right? And you know, I mean, that's why
there is the option to um replace your
old trailer with a fifth wheel or with a new model. I mean, that is an option.
Um not a cheap option, I'll say that.
But, uh that option is available because
some of these trailers are getting to the age where you can't do
the building department won't let you do
it. So,
>> Okay. Thank you.
There we go. Say it. Say it again.
>> Okay.
>> The reason why we can hear you, but
anything that's being recorded, it
doesn't pick up. And so that's the
reason why you have to speak into the
mic.
>> Okay. Nancy Vincel, 4040 Grizzly,
Casper, Wyoming 82604.
And I just wanted clarification.
You guys were saying that the lease a
first draft has been sent to the B and
it's been sent back with some re they've
requested some clarification or
revisions. I believe at a meeting
Chairman North that you were at with us
and Mr. Brown that we discussed about
being a more a collaborative effort and
we were going to be able to see it. Not
that the first time we saw it was when
we received it with the invoice for the
year and that the trailer park owners
were going to review it and maybe be
able to make some suggestions or ask
questions for clarification then. Now
we're going to be behind it. I mean
we're just going to get our bill or
permit and you aren't going to be able
to question anything.
>> So I thought it was going to be I
submitted a draft to uh Mr. Davidson
with the trailer park association. I
don't know if that was shared after that
or not. I can find
>> it might have been. I'd been out of
pocket.
>> Find a date for that. But I I shared the
trailer park one with the trailer park
association, the cabin one with the
cabin association. Okay.
>> The ski club received one and the boat
club also received a draft.
>> Okay.
>> And I may have only heard com
>> then I may stand corrected on that one
>> comment. So,
>> um, and to clarify, the BO is the one
that has the lottery requirements. It's
a BO requirement,
>> correct? The Bureau of Rec requires us
to have a lottery. Um, they do allow us
to try and
modify the lottery, but any changes or
revisions to document like that, we have
to submit to them, right,
>> for approval.
>> So, yes.
>> Okay. Thank you.
Honda Edwards, 3870 Spock Creek Road,
Casper, Wyoming, 82604. on that lottery
system. I know we can only get certain
amount of names, but if you're counting
out the guys that got the same address,
that's kind of harsh because just going
back to the years I was growing up, I
was young, 20 years old, had a roommate,
same address.
We both put in for the
Blake.
So, if you cut one of those guys out,
then you just lost one of them, right?
Well, I'm I'm we're just throwing ideas
out today. So, I mean, I'm not saying
this is a perfect system.
>> So, don't think it is. We have a ways to
go.
>> I'm just throwing something out there
that's for you guys to think about when
you guys go to talk about same
addresses. So, like when I originally
put in for mine years ago, me and my
mom, we both put in, yes, I was living
on a fifth wheel, still on their
property,
but
we had two different names on there.
So, if you guys do that, she wanted a
trailer and I wanted a trailer.
Neither one of us would get a trailer or
only one of us get named for a trailer
because I have her same address because
I'm just living in at my fifth wheel or
some other kid might be doing that. Just
throwing that out there. I mean, yeah,
>> something for you guys to think about.
>> Yeah, I understand that completely.
That's the reason why I said something
about kid maybe living in the basement
or something else. But what we're trying
to do is make sure that we have as many
names as possible so that uh it makes it
easier for you to sell your your
trailer.
>> Yeah, I understand.
>> And that may be something that we have
to put in, you know, to a side note so
that
>> Yeah. And and this is why I wanted to
bring this up and get it out there and
ask for comments, you know, sent um
while we go through this process so that
you know cuz the more minds we got
looking at it, the better we can make it
with and I understand the confines of
whether Bureau Rex's going to allow us
or not allow us to do. So, um but those
ideas help maybe get us through there at
least partway.
>> Yeah.
>> If not all the way.
>> And something like what Nancy just
brought up. Yeah. Cory did send those
out to us. We do have them. But
months prior to that, I'd been in here
and talked to it was I think it was a
county commissioner's meeting at that
time or it might have been a parks board
member, but you were there and I asked
you if you could send that to the
trailer park before you submitted it so
we could look at it to see if we could
help maybe mitigate some of the stuff
and see if we could get it put in there
so it wouldn't take so long. I did
submit it to the trailer park before I
submitted it to the bureau wreck. So
once we had a final draft here, then I
submitted it out to the different permit
groups and then I waited for response
for a week or two and then I submitted
it to the bure. And where it's at with
the bureau rec right now is I've just
been copied on some of their comments.
They're sending it to their regional
office for review.
>> Yeah. So, if there are still comments or
re proposed changes, please get them to
me as soon as you can and we can try to incorporate them or I can have an
email discussion with this board and see
if those are acceptable to revise and
send them back to the to the bure.
>> We're not we're not in the final
stretch. We can
>> still have a conversation back and
forth. And that's what I was making sure
we still have that opportunity to have
that conversation because
>> it's just that window is getting pretty
short.
>> Well,
>> so
>> we are talking about the government so
you it could take a lot longer. You
think?
>> Well, it could, but the permits expire
May 19th. So, if we want to be without
permits for a month, I mean, drag that
on.
>> That's why I don't know. It had to been
October last year that I come in and I
said something about it. And that's why
if we had started then we we might have
had better chance and our window
wouldn't be so tight on us now. We might
have came in and tried to figure this
out then a little and we might have had
some better ideas too talking to other
people. So that's all I got.
Thanks.
Anyone else?
Bruce, we did our snow dance. It didn't
work. We have tried.
>> A lot of wasted dancing for sure.
>> Yes, there was.
>> Bruce Lambertson, 2449 Hogadon Road.
Haven't been here in a while. It's been
great, but I'm back.
Justin, welcome aboard. Is D'Vorah on
the phone or is he just playing hookie?
>> No, he he couldn't make it tonight.
>> Change your name to Jim. I see.
>> You getting cover.
>> We just change the name
>> to protect the guilty.
>> I get it.
>> Um, so
you're except for chairman North, you're
getting your feet under the under
yourselves in this new role and
especially Justin and Bill. Um,
I was just I've got a few things to
speak to, but uh, this is a big deal
you're doing and I just want to thank
you for doing it and for signing up, but
I also remind you the magnitude of this
task. I mean, your bylaws statutoily,
few things come to mind. The board of
trustees control, maintain, and manage
the county parks and pleasure grounds.
monies levied by the levied for parks
and recreation purp shall be expended
only by the board of trustees. You're in
charge of every penny that goes through
this operation.
And that's huge, but I know you're up
for it, but don't ever forget it,
please.
Um,
page three, the recreation board shall
manage, operate, and regulate the
recreational systems and may take any
steps necessary to ensure the safe,
economical, and enjoyable operation of
the system. That's a big deal. That can
be messed up or done correctly,
whatever, but there's a it's a big deal.
And I guess my sense is it's slowly
converting from an advisory role to a
statuto role. Let's call in the shots.
And I think there's a ways to go
and I think it'll be great when it
happens because the parks department
needs your leadership and your
authority. So hang in there and I thank
you and I I really want to see some
things happen. And um one of those
things is the parking lot at the trail
ledge. Okay? And I'll show you pictures
later on, but
on September 11th of last year, many of
you weren't at that meeting. There was
considerable discussion about the fact
that parking lot doesn't drain.
Um, it's been a problem since the
beginning. In my view, and it's just my
view, um, that building's never been
finished. That parking lot is part of
that structure. It's never been
finished. And I don't want to see it
drag on. It might have to, but I don't
want to see it drag on like the picnic
shelter at Bear Trap for years. Right
now, that's a mud hole. On September
11th, after all the discussion, there's
going to be regrading. There's a lot of
fingerpointing. Why doesn't the the
parking lot grain? There's a lot of
reasons. Groundwater,
improper installation, no drainage. The
engineers pointing this way, the
contractor's pointing that way. All
right. So the agreement then was to get
a good survey done, develop proper slope
so that parking lot drains out into
Elcart Creek. Okay. They spent a lot of
time. There was already funded gravel.
The gravel it looks like, but uh well,
you can correct me later, but I'll keep
going. Um looks like that crappy gravel
that the the county mil years ago,
decades ago, a lot of sandstone and it's
been sitting up at that pile. It's too
fine. it turns to mud and it's what you
have so you use it all over the place.
But there wasn't a good gravel road base
brought in and it went to hell. So that
was September 11th there was a plan.
October 9th, less than a month later,
it was up again. What's going on?
Michael said it doesn't drain. Okay. And
there was a discussion about putting a
drain in in the low spot just off the
corner by the handicap where I'll show
you the pictures later. Today that's
already a swamp. Has been all winter
when it's warm.
Okay. So, it was discussed it's going to
be a drain that fed into that 24in pipe.
It was a solution some of us have been
pushing since that building was just
getting built because even the
contractor knew it was going to be a
problem.
Michael presented that there was five
people may be interested. One who said
he could probably get it done by the end
of October. So this was October 9th. You
asked about Chairman North asked about
the size of the um concrete um apron
around the drain and wisely suggested
that they expanded from two feet to 10
feet so to better accommodate cleanout,
proper drainage.
And I haven't heard a word since. That
was October 11th.
>> Let me let me let me let me give you a
quick update on that.
>> Well, let me if you don't mind so I
don't blow my time. I'd like an update,
but let me finish off saying if you
don't mind. Is that okay?
>> Yep.
>> Okay. Thanks. So, that was two meetings
in a row last fall and we're still
nowhere. The problem, and you definitely
know that. So, we have guests coming to
our community, using our facilities,
trashing their vehicles in a parking lot
that doesn't drain, and going into a
brand new $2 million building with muddy
feet.
And it's not it's not finished. So, I'd
like to see it finished. And you have
the authority and the and the
responsibility to get it done. So, can
we get moving
next? Same kind of thing.
Anybody who works in this community or
recreates this community outside is
scared to death of the fire risk that's
heading our way. We've had a dry,
warm winter and it's a factor. I think
you're all aware that there's no public
access to water on Casper Mountain. And
you who have been involved in
firefighting know first response is
critical.
a little fire that can be put out with a
five gallon jerry can 20 minutes later
is an issue. And who is first responder
up there is actually the city of Casper
because they have a man fire station at
Sunrise and they're the first guys to
get up there and then county comes and
then the volunteers get organized. It's
a great volunteer force with good
equipment, but they got to get up out of
their houses, get get their bunkers on
and get up there and get those things
warmed up and ready to go. So the
response is not two minutes. And oddly
enough, the first people there, the city
of Casper, which is great, believe me,
but there's no water. So we have campers
coming up here who don't always know
there's no water until they get to a
campsite,
who are allowed to light fires at a lot
of time, and don't have a simple way of
responding if they screw up or somebody
screws up in the neighbor. I've been
pushing hard. The only potable water up
there goes into the new building.
I would like to see, and this I've been
barking about this for years, I would
like to see a frost proof line from that
water system feeding a frost proof
hydrant across the parking lot with a
nice sign that says camper water fill
station. Maybe there'd be a map of the
cars, but people could go there and fill
their jerry can or their water bows or
anything with potable water and have it
available and anybody could have it
available. Now, I've heard all the
excuses. City owns the property.
Somebody's going to steal it. I'm going
to come fill my sister. Whatever it is,
this can be done. The the the water's
not clean. There's potable registered
water into that building. Let's get a
line across the parking lot. This is not
expensive. And in in today's maybe it
cost 10 grand. I don't know. That'd be
silly if it did, but it might. That's
nothing.
And with this whole Casper who owns the
property deal, you know, everything I'm
talking about,
when a guest comes up there and gets his
truck all muddy, his car all muddy,
walks into a brand new building, gets
the building all muddy, they don't care
who owns it. They're our guests and we
haven't finished our building. when that
mountain burns, they're not going to
care who owns that either. It's your
responsibility for your parks grounds.
So, I I mean, I'm getting tired of
bringing this up and I've tried to do
what I can, but
we need to move on these. This is
important. It's really going to be
critical and it's not difficult.
So, again, I appreciate what you're
doing and if it's all news to you, I get
that. But it's not been news to the
commissioners, to Michael, to the people
who have been involved with this a long
time longer than you. And it's now your
responsibility to spend the money, make
the decisions, preserve the properties
and the buildings, and treat your guests
right.
So that's what I got. And I will show
you a picture of And I know you're going
to say, "Well, no, no, no. It's city.
No, not
the parking lot.
» Now question is the parking lot at
Hogadon. Isn't some of that paved?
>> Is all of it paved or just I haven't
been over there in a while. So
>> no, there's a couple hundred feet paved
where it feeds the drain. So there's a
base
and you know the other thing I'll just
quickly add
what water does is a wellstudied
engineered long time we have the pool of
knowledge to know what water does.
We can solve this problem.
Why people don't know what water does? I
some of them we the county has paid to
tell us the answer and I don't know what
happened to that either. But anyway, I'd
love your response, but more I'd like
you to think about this hard because
I'll be back and it's really really
going to be important and times time's a
waste. But anyway, thank you,
>> Bruce. I'm going to answer your question
though.
>> That's fine.
>> I'm listening.
>> The drain system that we were planning
on putting in, we could not get anybody
to come up there and actually do the
work last year. That was part of the
problem. That's the reason why it did
not get completed last year. That is
something that we looked at and we
couldn't get anybody to get there before
the fro the the frost set in. So that
eliminated what we could do. We did haul
in approximately $20,000 worth of base
course. And it's not just
>> where whose base
>> it was from Knife River.
» Huh? Gotcha.
>> Well, I'm just telling you that we we
have limited We have limited supply
right now that we can
>> don't spend it on stuff that doesn't
work then.
>> Well, I I'm not going to I'm not going
to go down that that road with you, but
I'm just saying that we did haul in
quite a bit. And one of the things that
we did, and I know Stacy and John were
both on this board, that we had that
surveyed so we knew exactly what that
slope was before we started moving
forward with anything. That's when we
got the design for the drain. So, we can
take that water out close to where the handicap parking is and we can drain
it. But unfortunately
up on the mountain, it's just like down
here when frost sets in, you can't get
anybody to do anything because it tears
up their equipment. It's too hard on the
equipment.
>> So what's the plan right here right now?
insulting to think
>> real money on
>> I would just like to add that last
October we had no idea that this winter
was going to be as dry as it is and so
bringing in the material from Knife
River was a solution to get us through
this winter so that we could make a plan
while the weather was nicer to get in
there and get that fixed. So, you know,
coming into October, you're kind of
limited on days that you can get people
to do that kind of work, particularly on
the mountain, because the temperatures
are cooler up there than they are in
town. And so it's not that this board
has forgotten about what we talked about
last spring or last fall, but we had no
way of knowing it was going to be 65
degrees the rest of the winter and that
it was, you know, inevitably we thought
there would be snow pack up there in the
parking lot, you know, and the fact that
we haven't had any snow is why that
there's mud everywhere. And had we had a
normal snow year, there would be snow in
that parking lot. And it would be an
issue during the mud season when ski
season is over. But that's not
>> I understand that.
>> I what I'm saying is we haven't
forgotten.
>> Okay.
>> And Mike has done the work and we did a little fix to get us through
the winter so that this spring and fall
we could get it prepared for next ski
season.
>> But I will say, Bruce, it looks a whole
lot better right now than it did last
year at this time.
>> Every day it opportunity. But anyway,
>> but Mike did get uh Mike did get the
topography done up there and he did look
at the sloping and we got that done last
fall and so there is a plan in place,
but you can't get somebody up there to
do anything about it during the winter
months.
>> So the only thing that didn't get done
was the box covert getting installed and
that's still on the agenda to get done,
>> but it was graded following a
professional topo. You can see in your
picture here how the water flows in
somewhat of a channel. That's quite an
improvement. And this tightened up quite
a bit because last spring when you drove
over this parking lot light, you sank in
six 8 in deep. Um now with the
additional gravel and the better grading
and some drainage. I mean there's still
some pooling, but you're not getting the
ringing like you used to.
>> Drive up there.
>> I do.
>> My point is spring has come. We're in
the mud season and or not. We might just
buy a few weeks, but I don't care about
what's happened. I'm really curious
about what's the plan moving forward and
how fast can go two week two more years
like the bear tra.
Let's look ahead. What does anyone
think's going to happen next two months?
And yeah, it'll snow. It won't snow.
People worked on that mountain all
winter
construction. So, Bruce, yeah, just just
real quick. I mean, obviously still very
much getting my feet wet in this board.
Um, but I was aware of obviously I've
been aware of the issue with the parking
lot. I'm up there all the time. But, um,
at our last work session, it's funny you
mentioned the frost proof line with the
hydrant because that was actually
something that I brought up mentioned in
our last work session. um being a
priority needs to happen as far as like
what that process is going to look like.
I don't know. Again, still getting my
feet wet, but it's a priority for me.
It's a priority for this board to
obviously get that done. Um what that's
going to look like, I don't know. I
guess I can just hope that it's going to
happen and push for it to happen. Um,
but again being new on the board, like
we want the same thing. Like I want
water on that mountain. Um, not just for
the campers, but for fire mitigation.
We all know that this summer is going to
be pretty bleak if we don't get some good moisture this spring. So, the
need to get something put in now instead
of later,
I 100% agree. And I think that everybody
on this board agrees as well. No,
>> I appreciate that and I appreciate again
what you're all doing. I'm just saying
might have shift gears.
>> Yeah.
>> See this parks department needs your
leadership and your drive to get things
about the same.
I mean that's go to any YouTube you
want. I thought I saw this.
All right, we got any other public
comment?
Okay, we'll go on to trustee comments.
Justin, have you got anything to add
tonight?
>> Yeah, like I like I kind of like I just
said, just reiterate again. Um, still
getting my feet wet with all this. um
very well aware of the issues with the
well more aware now of the lottery
issues and that whole process but again
um just patience we're going to figure
it out um not everybody's going to be
the most happy but um that's kind of
just reality um but we are trying to
work towards the same things I I I fully
believe that um and then uh yeah just
patience and Um
hopefully we can get some things done
this summer to uh get some positive
growth and progress going for the parks
department. Um because that's what we
all want. So thank you
>> Stacy.
>> I just have to say that you know we we
are still a new board. Um John Hatcher
and I have only been on this for less
than a year. Dave North has been doing
this for a really long time and we
appreciate his guidance and leadership
and historical perspective on what's
going on and you know we just ask for
some grace and um understanding as we
try to navigate through all this. We're
here because we support the parks and we
want to make change and we want to make
things better and we want everybody to
be able to enjoy all of the parks to you
know fullest of you know the extent
possible and we're here to you know be
an advocate for everybody for the
mountain for the lake for all the
different parks in Nrona County and
we're here because we care and we're
members of this community and so as
we're on boarding you know I'm not aware
of the history that's gone on for 10
years, but I'm willing to jump in and
learn and I want to do right by
everybody involved in this and also do
what's right by the camp. And so I just
want to say give us some grace. We are
listening. We hear you and we want to
come to some compromises on things and
make things fair and get things done. So
that's my goal as a board member. But um
thank you all for having me here.
>> John
Oh, I I'll say the same thing that
Justin and Stacy said as far as we this
is a a volunteer thing. We asked we put
our applications in and got out, but
everyone that showed up there to get um
take for these positions was because we
did have something that we wanted to
make this um county parks um
good for everyone, not only for our
community, but for everyone's coming in.
Um so, like I said, we are working on
it, trying to figure things out. Um, and
with that, I would I would like to thank
Michael. Um, I had someone from the
trailer park that came up to me this
last weekend and would like to uh thank
your your people out there working. They
were cleaning the gutters of leaves and
um they were out there through the
middle of the week to check on their
trailer and uh there was a lady that was
out there and she's like, "Well, we're
just doing what we need to do out here."
But they really would like to thank the
people out there because they're
cleaning those out to where again when
uh things start u water starts flowing
or anything else, it's important to have
those gutters cleaned out with the new
sidewalks we put in. So I just wanted to
give that to you. Whoever you have
working out there, um there was a person
in the trailer park appreciated that the
people from the parks department was out
there cleaning stuff up.
>> I'll let my staff know. Thank you.
That's all I have.
The only thing I really want to add is
that our park system is very big
and
everybody
focuses on what's important to them and
what's right in front of them. And
when you start having to stretch our
resources all the way across the board,
it seems like we're stretched out a
little bit further than we would really
like sometimes.
That doesn't mean that we're not
concerned and that we're not working
toward improving things, but just
because we don't get to something
immediately
doesn't mean that we aren't we don't
believe it's important. But it's just
that we have a lot of other things that
we have to do. Um that goes right along
with that. you know, um,
our park system on the mountain is is
big and
you know, it's like I said earlier,
we're working, we're trying to get
something taken care of as far as lease
agreement. That puts us in a real
stalemate as far as what we can and
can't do right now and and transferring
properties and and doing other things up
on the mountain until that's completed.
We're kind of on hold on a lot of stuff.
There's just a lot of things we can't
do. Um, you know, we do own some areas
that outright like Bear Trap, um,
Bondrose Park, and you know, we run the
archery range, but that's under a lease
agreement with the BLM. So, those are
all different. The BO is the same way.
you know, we have to work within the
constraints that they give us and
that that takes a lot of effort, a lot
more than people realize sometimes. Um,
you know, fortunately, I'm really
thankful that Visit Casper was able to
step in up and help us out with Hell's
Halfacre because
that had been neglected for years. I
mean, a lot of years. And now
it's something we can be proud of. I
mean, it's got a good boardwalk out
there. It's got a good location. It's
got information signs. We're getting an
outhouse out there this year. Um, and
some other stuff. So, it kind of takes
us all the way across the county. You
know, there's a lot of stuff that we
have that we have to look at. So just
because we don't get to something
as soon as you think that we should, it
doesn't mean that we're neglecting it.
just means that there's things that
we have to get taken care of. Right now,
one of the things that we're going to
have to work on um with Michael is is
our is our budget because we got to turn
that in pretty soon. And I will tell you
that um
looking at the revenue projections, it's
anybody's guess, you know, so we don't
know exactly what we're going to be able
to to get and what we're not going to be
able to get. But those are we can't we
can't spend money that we don't have.
And that comes down to to where we go
and and what happens. So with that, I
don't have anything else. So we are a