1 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,800 All right, we'll go ahead and call the 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,440 parks board meeting to order on March 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:17,430 12th. Um, and we have roll call, please. 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:28,480 >> Here. 5 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,240 >> Okay. Would you join me in the pledge of 6 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,350 allegiance? 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,079 » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 8 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:38,559 United States of America and to the 9 00:00:38,559 --> 00:00:41,520 republic for which it stands, one nation 10 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,559 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 11 00:00:44,559 --> 00:00:47,760 justice for all. 12 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:53,430 right. 13 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,320 We will start out. Everybody 14 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:01,920 should have a copy of the previous 15 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,920 lease agreement with the city. Um, at 16 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,560 this point in time, we do not have 17 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,479 anything. We haven't gotten anything 18 00:01:10,479 --> 00:01:13,280 from the city, so we're still waiting to 19 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,400 see um 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,520 what comes out of that. Um, this kind of 21 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,000 puts us in a precarious position because 22 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,479 we can't do anything on any of the 23 00:01:24,479 --> 00:01:26,560 properties that are owned up there by 24 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:27,920 the city until we have a lease 25 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,560 agreement, you know, that or it becomes 26 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,920 property of the the county. So that I 27 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,560 just wanted to make sure that everybody 28 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,640 did have a copy of this so you could 29 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,759 read through here. Um 30 00:01:41,759 --> 00:01:43,600 and 31 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,759 when we do have something from the city 32 00:01:45,759 --> 00:01:47,439 then we can actually go through and look 33 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:50,159 at it compare apples to apples and at 34 00:01:50,159 --> 00:01:52,640 that point in time we'll 35 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,920 make some decisions. But right now um we 36 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,719 don't have anything. So, we're 37 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:03,520 kind of waiting in the dark right now. 38 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:08,160 So, okay. Um, 39 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,239 grant request for the shelters. Do you 40 00:02:10,239 --> 00:02:11,840 want to cover that, Michael, or you want 41 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:12,160 me? 42 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,000 >> Uh, well, do you want to backtrack a 43 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,080 little bit and talk about the approval 44 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,920 of the minutes before we forget? 45 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:18,879 >> Well, that would probably be a good 46 00:02:18,879 --> 00:02:20,959 idea. Sorry, I missed that. Didn't have 47 00:02:20,959 --> 00:02:22,560 my glasses on when I was reading that. 48 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,720 So, do I have a motion for approval of 49 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,520 the minutes from our last meeting? 50 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:28,720 >> So, move. 51 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,480 >> Okay. Do we have a second? 52 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:31,120 >> Second. 53 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,160 >> Okay. Motion made by John, seconded by 54 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,000 Justin. All in favor say I. 55 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:36,800 >> I. 56 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,040 >> All right. So moved. Thank you for the 57 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:39,920 reminder. 58 00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:42,800 >> Yeah. Um, 59 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,760 so with the bear trap shelters, we are 60 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,640 pursuing um 61 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:51,120 grant requests. 62 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,400 I'm trying to um I think the plan is to 63 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,720 uh submit to a state outdoor wreck uh 64 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:03,670 fund for request that's open till 65 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,000 early April, I think. So, 66 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,800 >> I'm in the process of filling that out 67 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,000 so we can get that submitted. Uh the way 68 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,599 that grant works is if your request is 69 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:17,840 under two thou $200,000, it doesn't 70 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:22,000 require legislature review. So, uh, with 71 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,280 that in mind, the intent is to apply for 72 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,640 one, um, shelter, the east shelter, 73 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:30,640 which will be the easiest one to to 74 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:34,080 build and get get up and going. Um, and 75 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,319 keep it under that that benchmark so we 76 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:38,879 don't have to wait for legislature to 77 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:41,360 review these applications. 78 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,920 Um, I believe there's $2 million in the 79 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,680 fund. Uh, so it' be highly competitive. 80 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:52,789 Um, so we'll see where that lands. 81 00:03:52,799 --> 00:03:54,319 Um 82 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:56,000 that is something that we need to talk 83 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,080 about a little bit more as far as if 84 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:59,439 we're just looking for one or if we're 85 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:02,000 looking for a total amount and stretch 86 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,879 that as far as we can. Um it is a 4060 87 00:04:06,879 --> 00:04:11,439 request. So um 88 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:13,599 we do have we do have some options as 89 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:16,720 coming as far as coming up with a 40% 90 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,000 that may be able to move from 91 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,160 one place to another to get that get 92 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,600 that done. But um 93 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,000 we are that is kind of what we're 94 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,639 looking at right now. So um I would 95 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:33,919 rather have the 96 00:04:33,919 --> 00:04:36,320 something that 97 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,520 if we could get more than one done, I 98 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,800 would rather do that, pursue that route. 99 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,040 Um, and we can get some numbers, we can 100 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,639 get some hard numbers between now and 101 00:04:48,639 --> 00:04:51,600 April 1st. Um, 102 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,000 to kind of kind of figure out just 103 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,759 exactly what we can do and what we can't 104 00:04:55,759 --> 00:04:58,950 do. 105 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,120 But I think that's something that we can 106 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,560 we need to look at and just ask for a I 107 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,479 don't want to go to the 200k because I 108 00:05:06,479 --> 00:05:08,000 don't want to I don't want anything to 109 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,880 have to go to the for legislative 110 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,639 approval. But I do think this is 111 00:05:12,639 --> 00:05:16,880 something that would be u everybody's 112 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,639 been asking about for a long time. So I 113 00:05:18,639 --> 00:05:21,120 think we need to get as much much bang 114 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,520 for the buck as we can out of this. 115 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,240 Michael, now was do you know we did we 116 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,800 have discussed this with the 117 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,520 collaborative board in the past? 118 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,160 >> Yes, I believe so. I think I may have a 119 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,479 letter of support from past requests. 120 00:05:36,479 --> 00:05:39,199 So, I I'll check with Amy on that and 121 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:41,120 make sure. I know there's been a few 122 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,479 going through that missed the meeting uh 123 00:05:44,479 --> 00:05:46,639 that they're asking for support. 124 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:47,440 >> Um 125 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,360 >> yeah, I couldn't get logged in the other 126 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,360 day. Yeah. didn't like my my login. So, 127 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,360 I it let me in and then it kicked me 128 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,400 out. So, I and then it refused to let me 129 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,759 back in after that. So, I must have been 130 00:06:01,759 --> 00:06:03,919 done something I wasn't supposed to do. 131 00:06:03,919 --> 00:06:07,520 I logged in. So, anyway. 132 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,160 Okay. But I'll get with you on that. 133 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,759 We'll get some we'll get some hard 134 00:06:11,759 --> 00:06:14,720 numbers together and put some proposals 135 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,560 together. So, 136 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,639 anything else on the 137 00:06:20,639 --> 00:06:24,000 >> Not not on that. Um, I just need to find 138 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,680 a little more time to get working 139 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,919 through the application, but I've been 140 00:06:27,919 --> 00:06:30,240 gathering some of the information. So, 141 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,319 uh, it's coming together. 142 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:34,639 >> Okay. All right. 143 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:36,240 >> Um, 144 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:37,919 last item I have for Casper Mountain is 145 00:06:37,919 --> 00:06:40,319 a wayfinding sign. Just an update. And 146 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:42,560 these are the vehic vehicular wayfinding 147 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,280 signs. um 148 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:48,560 visit Casper um came up with funding for 149 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,520 this and and decided um kind of which 150 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,560 ones they wanted to do. These are all 151 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,880 basically along the Casper Mountain Road 152 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,520 corridor. Um you'll see them if you go 153 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,680 up there. They're real similar to the 154 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,280 signs you see around town. Um they're 155 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:08,080 not quite done putting them in. Uh we'll 156 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,680 be doing a a check through them um 157 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,080 probably in the next few weeks, but I 158 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:15,520 think they have most of them. They had 159 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,560 some equipment issues and whatnot. Um 160 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,360 but that that didn't come out of our u 161 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,120 out of our budget that came out of visit 162 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,599 Casper paid paid for those signs. They 163 00:07:25,599 --> 00:07:30,000 didn't have enough funds to do all 23 or 164 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,400 26 signs. So I think we did 13 or 14. So 165 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,039 hopefully that helps. Um along with that 166 00:07:37,039 --> 00:07:39,280 with the new signs, 167 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,759 uh I'll be reviewing the old some of the 168 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:46,240 older wooden signs with staff and kind 169 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,319 of seeing what doesn't make sense with 170 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:50,639 the new signs and seeing what needs to 171 00:07:50,639 --> 00:07:53,280 be changed. And some of them just need 172 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:58,319 to be um cleaned up and restained and um 173 00:07:58,319 --> 00:08:00,000 just spruced up some. So we'll be 174 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,560 working on that this spring on signs up 175 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,000 there. 176 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,879 Um, that's basically all I have for Cast 177 00:08:06,879 --> 00:08:09,680 Mountain this time. Uh, like to state 178 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,879 that we're we're out of snow. We did get 179 00:08:12,879 --> 00:08:15,360 two inches other night. It's pretty much 180 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,000 gone. There's there's really no base 181 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,919 underneath most of it. So, um, 182 00:08:21,919 --> 00:08:23,680 you can hope for a little more snow, but 183 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,319 I I don't think it's going to stick. So, 184 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:28,639 ground. It was 62 degrees up there today 185 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:32,080 with 45 mph winds. So, snow is going to 186 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:33,279 go 187 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:37,039 70s down here next week. So, it's uh I 188 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:38,240 think 189 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:39,279 >> so. 190 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:41,680 we'll be transitioning to uh the 191 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:43,680 camping season here in the next couple 192 00:08:43,680 --> 00:08:44,880 months. 193 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,720 >> Okay. And just so everybody knows, until 194 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,800 we get that lease agreement, there are 195 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,800 we're going to be real limited on what 196 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,720 areas we can actually work on. We won't 197 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,200 be able to work in the the Tower Hill 198 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:56,720 campground. We won't have to be able to 199 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,480 work in some of the other locations 200 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,720 because we don't have that lease 201 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:01,519 agreement. 202 00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:02,880 >> Yeah. So, the parks department is 203 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,080 putting together a list of 204 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:13,680 things that I need to clarify with um if we can still operate or not um with 205 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:16,080 the legal department and that's 206 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,240 obviously it's campgrounds, some 207 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,120 outouses, trails, you know, having 208 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,640 events. I mean, um, I don't know if I 209 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,240 can sign off on events up there for the 210 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,440 summer if it's not, you know, we don't 211 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,519 have any authorization on the property. 212 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:35,839 So, uh, those are questions I'm getting 213 00:09:35,839 --> 00:09:39,200 answered and, um, we'll find out and 214 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,080 I'll notify the the parties that tend to 215 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,959 want to have those types of, uh, runs or 216 00:09:44,959 --> 00:09:47,360 mountain bike, uh, races and things of 217 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,320 that sort so that everything's clear and 218 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,959 open and everybody understands who's 219 00:09:52,959 --> 00:09:54,959 responsible for what. So, 220 00:09:54,959 --> 00:09:59,360 >> and just so everybody knows, um, 221 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,160 this is a process that has been in the 222 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,360 works for 223 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,760 almost four years now. You know, we've 224 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,279 been trying to get this taken care of 225 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:08,720 and it 226 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,200 >> um and it's not because of a lack of 227 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:12,800 effort. It's just because it hasn't come 228 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,720 to fruition yet. And we're at the point 229 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:15,839 now 230 00:10:15,839 --> 00:10:20,480 >> where um we're limited liabilitywise on 231 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,320 what we can and can't do up there 232 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,000 because we are not property owners. 233 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,399 And chairman, if I can make this clear 234 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:30,240 to everybody, 235 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,200 this board and myself, 236 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,240 we're not involved in with with the 237 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,399 transaction of this on how this is being 238 00:10:38,399 --> 00:10:41,120 completed and discussed and negotiated. 239 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,800 So, uh, that lands on the commission at 240 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,040 this time. So, uh, just so everybody 241 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,480 knows that, um, we only know so much 242 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,160 from what we hear and, uh, that's pretty 243 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,240 much it. So, we don't we're pretty much 244 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,720 in the dark as well as everybody else on 245 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,720 this, but we wanted to bring this to 246 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,079 everybody's attention. 247 00:11:02,079 --> 00:11:06,630 >> Yeah. Okay. 248 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:07,680 » Alcoa. 249 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:10,800 >> Okay. So, the lot permit review that we 250 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:16,399 worked on and this board came to a um an 251 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:18,399 endpoint where we submitted them to the 252 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:22,880 bure. Uh the bureau wreck today sent me 253 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,720 back a few comments. I haven't had a 254 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,360 time to go through them. Um I think 255 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:33,120 they're sending that um draft up to 256 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,519 their regional office in Montana. Uh so 257 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:38,880 we're hoping to hear back from them 258 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:44,480 fairly soon. They had a few questions um 259 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,079 you know about storage of golf carts and 260 00:11:48,079 --> 00:11:51,519 um side by sides through the winter 261 00:11:51,519 --> 00:11:53,680 season in the trailer park or at the 262 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:57,360 cabins. Um that was one question if if 263 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,920 they thought that should happen or not. 264 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:02,640 Um so that may change a little bit. Um 265 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,480 they did have they asked for 266 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,680 clarification on how I calculated the 267 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:11,040 fixed escalator rate. So I sent the sent 268 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,399 my spreadsheet that does the 269 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:15,920 calculations along with the um 270 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,399 explanation on how that comes that I was 271 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:20,720 provided by the state uh that I 272 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,000 followed. So um hopefully we'll have 273 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,160 those coming fairly soon. Um I really 274 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:29,440 would like to have them by the end of 275 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,920 the month so that we can start sending 276 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,320 those out with invoices and whatnot and 277 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,040 getting them signed and everything. Um, 278 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:38,959 in 2021, 279 00:12:38,959 --> 00:12:41,839 we really didn't get approval for those 280 00:12:41,839 --> 00:12:44,560 lot permits till the end of May, so we 281 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:47,920 were behind the curve then. Um, but I 282 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:49,920 think we're in a little better place and 283 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:51,920 there's a lot less revisions this time 284 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,880 around than there was last time. 285 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,120 So, 286 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,519 any questions on on the permit process 287 00:12:59,519 --> 00:13:02,560 and where we're at? 288 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:07,600 Um, I just wanted to put out there, uh, 289 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,320 it's that time of year to start firing 290 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:15,600 up the water system at the lake that operates the trailers and the clubs 291 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,360 and the marina. Um, our schedule 292 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:24,399 is we're going to begin um, April 2nd, 293 00:13:24,399 --> 00:13:28,480 and this is a a chlorination uh, 294 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,000 process. fill the tank all the way full. 295 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,160 Uh the third is Good Friday. That's a 296 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:35,680 county holiday, so we won't be doing 297 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:39,120 anything then. My staff has shifted to a 298 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,519 Tuesday through Friday schedule, 10-hour 299 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:45,440 days out there since um the more 300 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,040 daylight. So, we will drain and fill the 301 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,000 system April 7th, which is when we will 302 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,000 check for leaks and whatnot. Um, and 303 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,199 then we will sample uh the water on 304 00:13:59,199 --> 00:14:02,560 April 8th. And um, as long as that 305 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:05,519 sample comes back clear, we will have 306 00:14:05,519 --> 00:14:11,600 plottable water the 15th. Um, so that's the schedule. 307 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,320 >> Michael, are are we going to as a staff 308 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:21,440 going to make sure that the lines are turned off at each of the 309 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,480 trailers this year before? We will turn 310 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,279 all our valves off. Now, um I sent out 311 00:14:27,279 --> 00:14:29,279 notice last 312 00:14:29,279 --> 00:14:31,360 before the end of the season last year 313 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,399 asking everybody to disconnect from our 314 00:14:34,399 --> 00:14:37,440 system completely. Um I think there was 315 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,720 a handful of them that had not and and 316 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,440 not to reconnect until after the 15th. 317 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,199 >> Okay, that's that's basically where I 318 00:14:45,199 --> 00:14:46,560 was going with that just to make sure 319 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,320 that we don't have any 320 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,440 >> issues in case somebody has a a problem 321 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:52,720 inside their trailer. 322 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,199 >> Right. that that's identified ahead of 323 00:14:55,199 --> 00:14:59,990 time. So, okay. 324 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,760 » Um, 325 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,000 the last item I had for for the 326 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,040 reservoirs is the 327 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,000 trailer lottery process. Uh, we did a 328 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,519 revision 329 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:14,079 about two years ago, a little bit uh to 330 00:15:14,079 --> 00:15:18,720 try and increase the number of um people 331 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,880 drawn, unique people drawn on the list. 332 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,880 Um because the old system had it where 333 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,120 uh your name could be drawn several 334 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:30,800 times. Every time a trailer went up for 335 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,680 sale, you So if five trailers were up 336 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,279 for sale, somebody's name could be on 337 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:38,480 all five lists. Um even though everybody 338 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,040 gets all five lists. So what we've done 339 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,240 is um once your name's drawn, it's 340 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,120 removed from the lottery pool. And so 341 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,360 that name's on there and all five 342 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,519 trailers still get could sell to that 343 00:15:51,519 --> 00:15:54,720 one name if they wanted to, but it it 344 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,440 allows four more names to be added to 345 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,519 those lists. So you actually have 20 346 00:15:59,519 --> 00:16:02,240 unique individual or 347 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:08,320 yeah 25 unique individuals versus 21. Um 348 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,639 and then like if you had three names 349 00:16:10,639 --> 00:16:12,639 drawn the same, it decreases how many 350 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:17,040 names are out there. Um, so staff is 351 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,440 looking at and and we'll bring this in 352 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,600 front of the board at some point before 353 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:27,040 submitting to the B for review. Um, 354 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,000 there's been seems like a significant 355 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,160 increase of people applying for the 356 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,639 lottery that have the same address. Um, 357 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:40,160 you know, husband and wife applying. Um, 358 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,959 and there's some federal rules that we 359 00:16:42,959 --> 00:16:45,199 have to comply by. So, we can't, you 360 00:16:45,199 --> 00:16:48,320 know, say no. Um, only one person with 361 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,320 the same last name, we can't can't do 362 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,959 that. But anyways, to increase their 363 00:16:52,959 --> 00:16:55,199 odds of getting drawn, 364 00:16:55,199 --> 00:16:57,440 you know, if if you have like my 365 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,880 household, if I put in and my wife put 366 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,680 in and my two adult children put in that 367 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,640 use our address, that's four shots at 368 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,240 getting on there. And then once one of 369 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,720 us gets on there and then we add add the 370 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,480 other names. So if one of my daughters 371 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,400 got on there, they could add one of the 372 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,039 parents' names to the permit and 373 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:18,720 purchase, you know. So it increases the 374 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,400 odds, but it decreases the number of 375 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,640 individuals that the person selling 376 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,919 their trailer has a chance to sell to. 377 00:17:27,919 --> 00:17:29,919 So um you know, we're looking at both 378 00:17:29,919 --> 00:17:32,160 sides of the coin. It's like how do we 379 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:33,840 improve it for the public, but how do we 380 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,400 improve it for the folks selling their 381 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,360 trailers while still following the 382 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:42,710 federal regulations? 383 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,720 So, uh, I just wanted to give you guys a 384 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,640 heads up that we're working on that and 385 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,039 may and maybe these ideas are not good 386 00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:51,039 and and you guys shut them down or maybe 387 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:52,720 they're great and we've revised them. 388 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,960 >> You know, I think, 389 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,280 you know, and Russ, you guys can jump in 390 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:01,280 here anytime you'd like to. I'm I I'm 391 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,000 just talking because I have my mic on. 392 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:10,720 Um I do think that it's a good idea that we you know it doesn't really 393 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,320 bother me so much that people have 394 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,120 multiple names on there. But if we only 395 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:20,160 use one address, 396 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,400 you know that if it's associated with 397 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,600 that single address, then you eliminate 398 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,000 the rest of the So you're you're 399 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,559 basically so you can't pull three people 400 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:32,799 from the same address 401 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:35,039 on the first one, 402 00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:35,919 >> right? 403 00:18:35,919 --> 00:18:37,520 >> So all you're all you're doing is 404 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,640 pulling one address and that way those 405 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,559 people that are associated with that 406 00:18:42,559 --> 00:18:46,240 would have that opportunity. Um it, you 407 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:47,840 know, and I realize that there are 408 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,039 situations where you may have kids still 409 00:18:51,039 --> 00:18:53,200 living at home or something like that. 410 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,039 Um that we may have to look at it a 411 00:18:57,039 --> 00:18:59,200 little bit more specifically. 412 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,720 Um, 413 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,240 but to increase the opportunity for 414 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,160 people to be able to sell their trailer 415 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,320 and to provide more names out there for 416 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:09,760 the people that are selling the trailer, 417 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,080 I think that that that's very 418 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,559 beneficial, you know, and I see you guys 419 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:16,640 shaking your heads back there that are 420 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,240 out of the trailer park. And so we're 421 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,880 trying to we're we realize that there's 422 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,880 some things that we need to work on and 423 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,960 I think this this might be an easy way 424 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:29,360 to do it um to to assist in getting more 425 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:30,799 names for the people that are trying to 426 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:35,280 sell their their trailers. So, 427 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,760 >> no, I agree with that. Um, a thousand% 428 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,640 because I given the way the lottery 429 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,600 process currently works, if you were, 430 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,400 say your family all, you know, put their 431 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,720 names in and I was trying to sell my 432 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,799 trailer out there, I could potentially 433 00:19:50,799 --> 00:19:52,320 get, you know, you and your wife and 434 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:53,679 your daughter. 435 00:19:53,679 --> 00:19:55,039 >> Yeah. 436 00:19:55,039 --> 00:19:57,039 >> You could get four names from the same 437 00:19:57,039 --> 00:19:59,200 household when only five names are 438 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:00,240 drawn. I mean, 439 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,320 >> right. and then I'm really only getting 440 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,480 one real offer. And I think that if 441 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,640 we're tied down to the 10 names that 442 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,160 we're able to pick from, getting 10 443 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:13,840 individual 444 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,679 names of people that are interested are 445 00:20:15,679 --> 00:20:17,840 really important to that process. So, 446 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,960 you are able to, you know, sell your 447 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,640 trailer if that's what you're wanting to 448 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,310 do. 449 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,760 » Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree also with this 450 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,720 and and as you've seen, I'm sure Michael 451 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,559 since you've been here for the last few 452 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:34,640 years, the number of trailers coming up 453 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,880 are not as much as they used to. I mean, 454 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,200 we've had kind of a a turnaround and 455 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,200 have a lot of new people in the trailer 456 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,600 park. And I think that it happens. You 457 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,280 know, you only have one or two trailers 458 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,600 come up and with that, you're really 459 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,360 taking it away from that person to sell 460 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:52,159 to someone with it. You know, um years 461 00:20:52,159 --> 00:20:53,840 ago, there'd be like six or seven 462 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,760 trailers come up, you know. But when you 463 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,840 only one or two trailers and just like 464 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,000 she was saying as far as you're I'm 465 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,440 trying to put my trailer up and you have 466 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,679 three of your names on there and that's 467 00:21:03,679 --> 00:21:04,880 the only thing about it. You only get 468 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,440 five names and now someone else puts up 469 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,440 you can get an additional five. So I 470 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:10,640 think that's some real good things 471 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,520 you're looking at um to give a bit 472 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,760 better chance out there for for both the 473 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,360 people that are trying to draw out there 474 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:19,200 and also for the people trying to sell. 475 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:24,080 So I like those ideas. Okay. So, I'll bring a draft with the proposed 476 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,880 revisions to um well, I'll try and get 477 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,640 it to the board before that, but bring 478 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,440 it to the next meeting uh so it can be 479 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:32,960 talked about and discussed a little bit, 480 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,280 >> you know, and 481 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,919 to muddy the waters a little bit. Maybe 482 00:21:37,919 --> 00:21:39,840 we maybe it's one of those things that 483 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,280 if you have three people on that that 484 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:44,880 any one of those three people that are 485 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,120 living at their residence could buy a 486 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:49,440 trailer but they don't get they don't 487 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,120 keep getting their name passed on if 488 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:56,080 they choose to buy one then that's the one they get you know so if 489 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,679 the kids are living there and they 490 00:21:57,679 --> 00:21:59,280 decide well I don't really want to live 491 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:00,799 I don't really want to buy that but the 492 00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:03,679 parents do fine the parents do but the 493 00:22:03,679 --> 00:22:05,120 kids can't the kids have to put their 494 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:07,600 name back in the next year you Well, 495 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,520 they they still have that opportunity, 496 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,440 but it just gives 497 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,919 >> the people that are owning the trailers 498 00:22:13,919 --> 00:22:16,400 more names and more opportunities 499 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,880 because if you end up having a bunch of 500 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,520 people that are looking for a specific 501 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,200 trailer and they're waiting for that one 502 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,120 to come up, 503 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:28,080 then that really limits limits your pool 504 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,000 on how many people you have to draw 505 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,320 from. And that's not fair. That's I I 506 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,440 don't believe that that was a reason why 507 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,480 the lottery system was designed. And you 508 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,159 know guys, people there's always people 509 00:22:40,159 --> 00:22:41,520 that are going to figure out how to game 510 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,360 the system. It doesn't matter what it 511 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:46,799 is, there's always a way to to outdo it. 512 00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:50,320 And I think that would be something that 513 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,200 if we do it by address and say, okay, 514 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,760 just one person from that address is is 515 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,000 allowed to to purchase that then. So, 516 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,240 yeah, if uh this board has any ideas or 517 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,159 thoughts on that, feel free to email me. 518 00:23:04,159 --> 00:23:06,159 And if the public has any ideas or 519 00:23:06,159 --> 00:23:08,880 thoughts on how we should maybe revise 520 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:15,120 the lottery process, please email me and we'll take those into consideration. 521 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:17,039 >> Yeah, I think I would just like to make 522 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:19,120 sure that we see that we have five 523 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:20,880 unique names, right? 524 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,440 >> And definitely, you know, different 525 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,480 families or however. Right now, we do 526 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,240 have five unique names. We just don't 527 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,640 have five unique households. 528 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,440 >> Households. Yeah. And so, I' I'd like to 529 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,000 see it spread out a little bit more to 530 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,080 more fair to those that are trying to 531 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,360 sell. 532 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:42,720 >> Yeah. So, any any other comments on 533 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,159 that? 534 00:23:44,159 --> 00:23:46,320 >> I mean, that that's pretty much all I 535 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,120 have to report. Um, as for the water 536 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:52,559 system, I do have staff going to water 537 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:54,880 conference here in April. That's the 538 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,039 week after we turn on the system. Um, so 539 00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:02,000 we'll be down to one staff member out at 540 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,679 the lake uh that week. 541 00:24:05,679 --> 00:24:06,880 >> That's all I have. 542 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,720 >> Okay. 543 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,080 Any other new new business? 544 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,840 All right. Old old business. Michael, 545 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,360 would you kind of give us an update on 546 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:17,840 Hell's Halfacre and, you know, just 547 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,039 where we're at as far as the kioses, the 548 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:26,000 >> the boardwalks. So, Healthapre um the 549 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,440 grants were uh provided to visit Casper. 550 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,520 So, they had the funds um to allocate uh 551 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,200 we built a new boardwalk with a viewing 552 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,360 deck. Uh gives you a great vantage 553 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:43,440 point. Uh we were able to do replace the 554 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,000 fencing that was 6 feet tall with barb 555 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,880 wire on top down to a 4 foot chain 556 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,039 length so you can now see over the top 557 00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:53,120 and take pictures over the top versus 558 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:57,360 through the fencing. Uh we did gravel 559 00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,760 and grade the parking lot. We graveled 560 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,000 the access to the picnic shelters around 561 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,880 there. We created an additional parking 562 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,679 area over there. So, when that's open, 563 00:25:07,679 --> 00:25:11,360 uh, we purchased, uh, picnic tables and 564 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:14,000 trash cans for it. And the last thing 565 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,320 that came out of the grant money was, 566 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:21,039 um, seed, uh, so that we can recede the, 567 00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:23,679 uh, disturbed area by the boardwalk in 568 00:25:23,679 --> 00:25:26,159 the point and get that coming back to 569 00:25:26,159 --> 00:25:30,159 natural status. Um, and then we have 570 00:25:30,159 --> 00:25:32,559 some, uh, 571 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:34,000 wooden ballards that we're going to 572 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,520 install. 573 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,679 uh between the parking area and the 574 00:25:37,679 --> 00:25:40,400 viewing area. Um and those will start 575 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,799 going in next week. Uh Visit Casper has 576 00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:46,799 reached out to Chamber of Commerce. They 577 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:51,200 are having an open uh ribbon cutting, I 578 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,080 guess. May 8th. I don't remember what 579 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,360 time. I'll have to look that up. Um 580 00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:58,640 that's a Friday. 581 00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:59,679 >> Okay. 582 00:25:59,679 --> 00:26:03,279 >> Um out there. And I um I think they've 583 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:05,600 got some plans for some things out 584 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,799 there. I I was in their meeting, but I 585 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:10,400 don't remember exactly what the plan 586 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,480 was. I was letting somebody else take 587 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,000 the reigns on that. 588 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,880 So yeah. Uh oh, yeah. And then uh we did 589 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,559 purchase create and purchase uh eight 590 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:25,840 likeformational educational signs. So, 591 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,440 park staff is is now building uh mounts 592 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,880 for those to be mounted on the 593 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,159 boardwalk. Um, 594 00:26:34,159 --> 00:26:36,400 some of them are about the history. I 595 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,880 think one's about geology, one's about 596 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,480 the movie that was filmed out there, 597 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,640 Starship Troopers. Um, so yeah, just a 598 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,880 general educational of how it was 599 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,799 created, 600 00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:52,400 who who used it, and what, you know, 601 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,360 what's been done down there. So, Yeah, 602 00:26:55,360 --> 00:27:02,950 that sells half acre. 603 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,559 » Can I go back to the trailer thing for a 604 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:05,919 minute? I have one more. 605 00:27:05,919 --> 00:27:08,400 >> Wherever you want to go, I'm good. 606 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,360 >> So, I don't know all the rules and 607 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,080 everything, but is there a way? So, say 608 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,760 somebody's looking for a specific type 609 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,279 of property. say they want three 610 00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:19,760 bedrooms or something and what has come 611 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,960 up is like a twobedroom 612 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,960 and they're going to say no. So that's 613 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,799 clearly like something, you know, 614 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:29,520 they're not going to want to purchase or 615 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,080 maybe it's a onebedroom or, you know, is 616 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,919 there a way for us to kind of weed some 617 00:27:33,919 --> 00:27:35,600 of that out so that we're definitely 618 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,360 like drawing names that are interested 619 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,360 in the specific property type? I realize 620 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:41,440 it's a lottery and but maybe if there's 621 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,559 a way that we're getting five names that 622 00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:46,720 are definitely interested because say 623 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,159 you've got a one or twobedroom property 624 00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:52,480 but somebody's like I can't be on 625 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,120 anything less than three bedrooms like 626 00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:57,360 then that's kind of a wasted name to 627 00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:58,960 give them. So, is there a way to do 628 00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,200 that? 629 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,960 >> That would be that would be fairly easy 630 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,279 to do and leave that up to the people 631 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:04,799 that are putting their name on the list 632 00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:08,080 and say, "What are you interested in?" 633 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,399 And these are, you know, and we will 634 00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:12,320 only pull pull your name or put your 635 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,360 name in ones that are specific to that. 636 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,960 Um, 637 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,039 that's that's not we're not going around 638 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:21,039 the lottery system at all. 639 00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:23,360 >> We're just working within the way it is. 640 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:24,960 And I I think that would be a great 641 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,559 idea. Um, you know, there's certain 642 00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:31,360 things that we can't be too specific 643 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:32,000 about, 644 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:32,320 >> right? 645 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,679 >> You know, when you start saying, "Well, 646 00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:35,520 I only want something that's right next 647 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,799 to the 648 00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:38,720 >> to the like, you know, or something like 649 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,159 that." It's like, that's a little bit 650 00:28:40,159 --> 00:28:41,919 too specific. But if you're looking for 651 00:28:41,919 --> 00:28:42,640 something, 652 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,320 >> you've got five people or six people in 653 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:45,840 your family, you're not going to be in a 654 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,279 onebedroom or two-bedroom, you might 655 00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:48,720 want that threebedroom. I'm I'm just 656 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,159 trying to think of ways to make sure 657 00:28:50,159 --> 00:28:53,279 that we're getting five names that are 658 00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:54,880 good candidates. 659 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:55,279 >> Yeah. 660 00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:57,200 So, it's not a wasted. 661 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,279 >> Well, and that does that that actually 662 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:02,399 opens it up to people that would more 663 00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:05,039 >> be more interested in in specific types 664 00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:08,080 of property. And and like I said, all we 665 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,320 could do is just put that on there and 666 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,200 say, "Are you interested in this?" Check the ones you're interested in. If 667 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,960 these come up, then uh and your name 668 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,880 gets pulled, 669 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,520 then we'll contact you. If it if you if 670 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,000 your name comes up and these aren't 671 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,240 things that you're interested in, then 672 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,159 we'll go on to the next person. It's 673 00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:31,760 still a lottery system. It's still doing 674 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,919 the same thing. We're just basically 675 00:29:33,919 --> 00:29:35,679 skipping over. I mean, it's kind of like 676 00:29:35,679 --> 00:29:38,399 a first, second, and third choice 677 00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:41,279 >> on I think I could 678 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:43,279 >> on an application. 679 00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:45,919 >> I think we could build. So right now we 680 00:29:45,919 --> 00:29:48,799 put everybody's name that wants to be on 681 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:51,120 the lottery in a spreadsheet and they're 682 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,520 assigned, you know, 1, two, three, four, 683 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,039 however they come in. So do that. And 684 00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:58,640 then 685 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,320 we go to a computer program and we say 686 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,840 we want to draw, you know, it's going to 687 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,159 draw five names for this lot and we have 688 00:30:08,159 --> 00:30:11,039 46 names in the list. 689 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:14,000 Um, so then it draws five numbers out of 690 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,480 46 and tells us that and then we go back 691 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,200 to list and go, okay, number 27 was 692 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,200 drawn, so that's this person we put on 693 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,480 the list. 694 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,440 >> So I think I could build 695 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,960 >> I think you could build like a pivot 696 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,360 table that had the extra columns on the 697 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,200 side that's like 698 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,200 >> add a column for one bedroom, two 699 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,520 bedroom, threebedroom, one bath, two 700 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,000 bath, right? or 701 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,360 >> those those scenarios and then only 702 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:46,480 check like John Doe is interested in one 703 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,720 two or threebedroom and so you'd put an 704 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,600 X under one X under two X under three 705 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,000 but Jane do is only interested in a 706 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,360 threebedroom so you would leave one and 707 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,320 two blank and put an X in three and then 708 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,360 pivot them 709 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,080 >> so the seller will have to notify us 710 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,440 when they sell 711 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,720 >> the Yeah. 712 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:07,840 >> What their trailer has. 713 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,799 >> Yeah. And then you could sort it by like 714 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:12,720 three bedrooms and then only the people 715 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,159 that have marked that with 716 00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:14,960 >> possibility, 717 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,480 >> you know. And there there's been a few 718 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,880 individuals over the last 5 years that, 719 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,200 you know, they bought a trailer and then 720 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,080 they just replace the trailer. 721 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,760 >> Well, and and that's something you could 722 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,880 put 723 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,799 >> economically for me. That's That's kind 724 00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:32,399 of crazy, but I know there's 725 00:31:32,399 --> 00:31:33,840 >> But if you put something on there where 726 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,120 you'll take anything that comes 727 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:35,600 available, 728 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,080 >> right, 729 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,640 >> then that's fine. That's easy. Or if 730 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,399 you're going to be more specific, 731 00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:41,039 >> y 732 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:43,279 >> you know that you don't want to do that. 733 00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:46,240 >> So, yeah, we can work on a process. 734 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,399 We'll we'll test we'll test a process 735 00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:52,159 and see if that'll work um 736 00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:54,960 before we bring that to the table here. 737 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,240 But yeah, we can do that. 738 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,720 >> Thanks, Mike. 739 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:07,590 Anything else? Anything else? 740 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:13,200 Any other new business? No. Okay. 741 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,600 Um, 742 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,519 I will guess we'll go to public comment 743 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:23,909 at this point in time. 744 00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:25,519 You'll have to turn that on and please 745 00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:28,480 state your name and address. 746 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,840 Brad Oracle 5660 O'keeer Road, Casper, 747 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,830 Wyoming 82604. 748 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,320 Um, first thing is why not get the whole 749 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,720 list? It increases everybody's chances 750 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,440 there. Necking it down to five like 751 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,480 we've been talking really limits us to 752 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,960 who we can sell to and who we can't. And 753 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,799 then the other thing is why are we the 754 00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:56,070 only one Alcoa that's on a lottery list? 755 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,640 So, Alcover Marina, um, they have to be 756 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,120 on an annual lottery for their RV sites. 757 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,159 Same with the Pathfinder Marina now. So, 758 00:33:06,159 --> 00:33:08,240 if you were grandfathered in in those RV 759 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,399 sites, you can stay, but as soon as you 760 00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:12,799 give up, then it becomes an annual 761 00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:16,480 lottery for those spots. Um, 762 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,640 the Casper Water Ski Club under their 763 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,159 own stuff, they do a lottery for their 764 00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:24,720 vacancies. And um 765 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,320 >> they're doing the same thing like you're 766 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,440 talking about though where they're 767 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,919 putting four names in under one address 768 00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:32,799 and that way they increase that way they 769 00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:35,760 increase their odds of drawing. I don't 770 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,000 have a problem with the address thing. I 771 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,799 get that. But then if we've got a 46 772 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:44,159 names on our list and every household's 773 00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:46,159 putting two or three names down, that 774 00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:49,279 draws our list down to about 10 to 12, 775 00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:50,880 you know, and we'd get that whole list. 776 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,799 That would be that's a win for 777 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:53,519 everybody. 778 00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:56,240 >> So that's that's the bureau wreck 779 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,799 dictating that we cannot just cuz if we 780 00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:00,640 just gave you the whole list, all they 781 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,159 got to do is put their name on the list 782 00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:05,039 and you it's like putting it up for sale 783 00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:07,200 commercial, you know, through a realtor. 784 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,560 >> Well, they're allowed to do that at the 785 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,000 cabins. 786 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,440 So, my understanding, and I don't have 787 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,879 um the actual regulations or letters of 788 00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:18,879 this, and this is from conversations 789 00:34:18,879 --> 00:34:20,639 with the Bureau of Recre, is the cabins 790 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,520 are because they're fixed structures to 791 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,599 the land is why they're different. 792 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:30,480 So, you know, your mobile home is it 793 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,560 says mobile in the front of it. So, 794 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:33,599 that's 795 00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:34,960 >> right. Well, that's my understanding of 796 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:35,679 why it's different. 797 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,679 >> Yeah. like the one we had to get removed 798 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,720 that was, you know, highly contaminated 799 00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:42,800 with animals and other things in there 800 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,480 that cost us how much money to get 801 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,760 removed here? What was it? Two years 802 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,079 ago, three years ago out there on the 803 00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:50,560 corner. Second one in, third one in, 804 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,960 >> right? Yeah, that that was removed 805 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,440 because uh the permit didn't pay their 806 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,640 rent. Um, and that that took 807 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,440 >> and along with all the uh the rats and 808 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,440 everything that were contaminating the 809 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:04,240 trailers that were 810 00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:05,760 >> and I will speak that that's not the 811 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,440 only one that we had removed because 812 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:08,880 they hadn't paid the rent. 813 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,480 >> Oh, I know that that was another one up 814 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,000 there. 815 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,240 >> Yeah. And that's actually 816 00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:16,079 >> Yeah. And that was my other thing that I 817 00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:16,720 wrote down. 818 00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:18,880 >> Point of contention that we had too is 819 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,560 that you know if you don't pay your rent 820 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,880 then that's it. Well, I know one of them 821 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,880 they hadn't paid rent for years on. 822 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,680 >> Yeah. And there but Well, there was all 823 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,200 three of them were like that. They 824 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,800 hadn't paid rent for a long time. And 825 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,480 there was one of them that hadn't paid 826 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,079 rent for at least seven years. And for 827 00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:40,880 it to have taken that long to get 828 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,920 through the process. 829 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,480 I That was when I first got on the 830 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,119 commission and it was like this is 831 00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:50,720 crazy. This didn't make any sense at 832 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:53,040 all. a year, you know, to where somebody 833 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,680 moved or had family deaths and, you 834 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,400 know, I get an accidental year, but if 835 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,800 you're not if you're more than a year to 836 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,960 Lincoln and are not answering any emails 837 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,280 or mails, I mean, I get our point of 838 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,359 that, but like I was you guys were 839 00:36:07,359 --> 00:36:08,800 saying, there's certain people waiting 840 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,640 for certain spots. We've got an empty 841 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,280 spot that's open now that some people 842 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,280 are waiting just to see if their name's 843 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,240 drawn on it. You hand me five names and 844 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:20,320 it's they're not the ones looked all 845 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,480 their wants that empty spot. I'm in a 846 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,920 pick. I'll try to get rid of my place. 847 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,880 >> So, like I was said, Mr. As far as it 848 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,520 is, um the BR is the one that kind of 849 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,960 has this board what is um what we can do 850 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,400 and can't do. Like you said, we can't 851 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,200 just give all 46 names. They they put it 852 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,160 that in from original lease from 853 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,240 whenever this all happened between us 854 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:47,760 all. They have said that they realize 855 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,960 that the lottery system is not perfect 856 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,480 and that's why Michael's trying to work 857 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,000 on stuff and also reason why I've 858 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,359 reached out the trailer park board to 859 00:36:55,359 --> 00:36:57,280 come up because they said if you guys 860 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,480 can give us something bring it to us but 861 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,839 as of right now we have to so they're 862 00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:06,800 the ones enforcing the the lottery on 863 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,800 the way it has to be done. So that's 864 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,480 kind of why we're trying to spitball 865 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,400 this all together to try to make it a 866 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,800 lot better out there. it when we met 867 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,560 with them. They like it has to stand how 868 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,880 it is until you give us something better 869 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,880 and we approve it or not. So, 870 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,160 >> well, and can I 871 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,520 >> Yeah, I'm just saying so there is some 872 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,599 things we've been trying to work on. 873 00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:28,560 They're not opposed. There's no They did 874 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,800 say there's no way the lottery system is 875 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,880 not going away. They said that the 876 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,079 lottery system will always be here. 877 00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:37,599 >> I 878 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:38,960 get that we're saying we got to do the 879 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,960 lottery system. But five names ain't 880 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,440 very many names to pick from. Can we get 881 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,880 it bumped? 882 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,119 >> Well, we we can ask for that. I mean, 883 00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:48,640 >> that's that's something we can we can 884 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,320 ask for as far as So, yeah, there that 885 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:50,640 is. 886 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,200 >> I mean, that 887 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,160 >> that's the reason why 888 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,079 >> that doubled my chances, you know. I 889 00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:54,880 mean, 890 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,760 >> well, and part of that if you have an 891 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,880 address that's associated with it, that 892 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,359 may bump the numbers a number of names 893 00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:06,400 you have available all by itself. So, 894 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,480 we're not we're not trying to be 895 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,359 difficult. We got, like John said, we we 896 00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:13,599 have to work within what the Bureau of 897 00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:15,839 Rec will allow us to do. We can present 898 00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:17,839 it to them and we can ask them and I 899 00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:19,839 don't have any problem with asking them, 900 00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:24,640 but um they have the final say on what 901 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,800 we can and can't do. And so just just so 902 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,400 you understand that right up front, it's 903 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,560 not that we're saying we're not willing 904 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,920 to work with you, but 905 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,839 >> we're kind of we're kind of in between. 906 00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:38,960 We're in the middle. 907 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,560 >> I get that. I don't want to be devil 908 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,040 advocate, but I put my address down for 909 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,720 my name to be drawn. 910 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:46,880 >> All my wife's got to do is put down her 911 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,839 parents address or a work address. 912 00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:51,359 There's other ways to that system 913 00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:53,599 >> or PO box. There's loopholes still. 914 00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:56,560 >> And I know I get there's loopholes and I 915 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,280 understand why people that really want a 916 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,240 trailer put four names in there. I get 917 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:06,400 some of that also. That's I mean there's 918 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,960 >> well and to your point about vacant lots 919 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,359 and then there tends to be a lot more 920 00:39:11,359 --> 00:39:14,000 interest but they're only interested in 921 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,839 that lot. Maybe we put 922 00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:16,400 >> so 923 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,280 >> that on one two threebedroom or vacant 924 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,960 because if you're only interested in the 925 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,040 vacant lot you know there's no point in 926 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,880 contacting you for 927 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,480 >> another one that came available. 928 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,160 >> Let me give you a little history on on 929 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,720 the vacant lot. We had we removed three 930 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:33,760 trailers and two of them as soon as we 931 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,240 got them removed. We put those into a 932 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:40,160 special lottery and drew names and they 933 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,960 got, you know, two names were drawn and 934 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,520 they got those vacant lots to put I 935 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,040 think both of them put fifth wheels on 936 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:47,359 them. 937 00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:49,440 >> One hasn't put anything permanent on it 938 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,079 yet. Well, that one that one I haven't 939 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:55,200 put in the system. Um because when we 940 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,800 changed the lottery process last time, 941 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,760 if a trailer doesn't sell 942 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,119 um by the May 19th, that lot reverts 943 00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:07,440 back to the county to determine best 944 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,000 use. And the parks department hasn't 945 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,839 determined best use for that. 946 00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:14,480 >> No, I'm talking I think it's lot three 947 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,839 when you come in. They pull their camper 948 00:40:17,839 --> 00:40:19,119 in and out and 949 00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:20,880 >> Right. And that was one that was done in 950 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,760 a special drawing. Um that one and then 951 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,280 one on the back that's a fifth wheel 952 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,720 with a new 953 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:28,320 >> they made it permanent like you guys 954 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,160 have asked us to know where where we're 955 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,320 trying to follow our rules. 956 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,240 >> You know, you can have a fifth wheel on 957 00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:36,240 your lot. You don't have to. And you can 958 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:37,839 pull it in and out. We don't have a 959 00:40:37,839 --> 00:40:40,480 problem with that. Um you know, so there 960 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,480 are some fifth wheels and trailers 961 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,599 throughout the park there. Um, but that 962 00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:47,040 and that's not a problem. And you can 963 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,560 replace your trailer as long as you go 964 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,560 through the process to get a new 965 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,520 trailer. 966 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,119 >> Oh, yeah. I've been down there and took 967 00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:55,200 pictures of all the new ones that that 968 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,960 put in there the last few years and I'm 969 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,960 sure you got some of them on that one 970 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,400 new one that went down there on the 971 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,359 front row that was only a six inches off 972 00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:04,720 and you made them move it and 973 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:05,520 everything. And 974 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,880 >> so, yeah. So, um, you know, there's that process and and like I 975 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:17,599 said, that vacant lot, I wasn't pleased with the way that 976 00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:20,560 lottery went for vacant lots. So, we're 977 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,599 that may become a an overnight spot and 978 00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:25,359 because we have a high demand for full 979 00:41:25,359 --> 00:41:27,839 hookup spots, uh, and we have two of 980 00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:30,240 those in the trailer park now, it may 981 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:33,599 stay vacant. Um, there's one trailer 982 00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:35,359 that has a storm major storm water 983 00:41:35,359 --> 00:41:36,720 issue. 984 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,480 um 985 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,960 you know and I offered the vacant lot 986 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,960 for them to relocate to. They did not 987 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,599 want to do that. But if there if we have 988 00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:50,560 another instance where there's a trailer 989 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,119 that needs to be relocated, I the county 990 00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:55,520 has a current vacant lot that we can 991 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,720 relocate them to if if needed. 992 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:00,560 >> Yeah. Yeah. So, those old trailers, and 993 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,160 you know that as well as I do, you 994 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,079 you're not going to just jack one of 995 00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:05,839 them up, put wheels over it, and wheel 996 00:42:05,839 --> 00:42:07,760 it over. And I know that that trailer 997 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,599 they're talking about has been redone 998 00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:12,720 inside. It's beautiful inside of it. So, 999 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:14,480 and I get it. I mean, there's other ways 1000 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,160 so we can take care of the water issues. 1001 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,440 Agreed. 1002 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,920 >> So, at this point in time, lot 112, the 1003 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,319 parks department hasn't determined what 1004 00:42:22,319 --> 00:42:24,640 the best use for that is. And and 1005 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,319 that'll be discussed with the parks 1006 00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:28,480 board at the time. We need to discuss 1007 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,640 that, but right now it'll it'll stay 1008 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,520 vacant. 1009 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,200 >> Okay. Yeah, I'd like to see if we could 1010 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,599 at least, you know, the 10 sounded 1011 00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:40,560 really good to me. That five I mean, 1012 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,240 yeah, I'd like to buy a trailer, but I 1013 00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:43,760 don't have no funds because it's, we all 1014 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,920 know it's a cash fund only. You're not 1015 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,000 going to be able to go get a loan for a 1016 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,829 trailer out there. 1017 00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:56,160 Is there language on the um 1018 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,800 lottery permit that explains that this 1019 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,359 is a cash sale? And like are the people 1020 00:43:01,359 --> 00:43:02,720 that are signing up aware of what 1021 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:04,160 they're signing up? 1022 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,440 >> No, because County Parks deals with the 1023 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,520 lot and rental of the lot. 1024 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:10,079 >> Got it. 1025 00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:11,920 >> We're not involved with the transaction 1026 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,760 of the sale of private property, which 1027 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,000 the trailer's private property. That's 1028 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,640 why if we only give five names and you 1029 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,720 put your trailer up for sale, none of 1030 00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:22,800 them five, I think it's written there 1031 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,119 somewhere in there that you have after 1032 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:27,359 your times up, you have to remove your 1033 00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:29,119 trailer from that lot, right? 1034 00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:31,200 >> And that's why we're trying to get more 1035 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,200 names to us, you know, cuz a lot of them 1036 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,760 trailers have been redone inside and 1037 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,079 people are working on trying to get 1038 00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:41,200 permits to rewire it. I tried to get one 1039 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,280 years ago and it was once you tear down 1040 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,119 the siding on the inside, they wouldn't 1041 00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:48,640 allow me to do any work in there. I was 1042 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,960 only allowed to repair one panel at a 1043 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,400 time. Well, you can't rewire an old 60s 1044 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,599 trailer with one panel down at a time, 1045 00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:59,280 you know, and then you'd put sheetrock 1046 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,040 on top of that, which would help 1047 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,440 everybody because if today if something 1048 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:04,880 happened out there at the lake, there 1049 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,560 wouldn't be a thing left, 1050 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,200 >> right? And you know, I mean, that's why 1051 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,640 there is the option to um replace your 1052 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:18,880 old trailer with a fifth wheel or with a new model. I mean, that is an option. 1053 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,400 Um not a cheap option, I'll say that. 1054 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,520 But, uh that option is available because 1055 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,920 some of these trailers are getting to the age where you can't do 1056 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,520 the building department won't let you do 1057 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,319 it. So, 1058 00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:56,630 >> Okay. Thank you. 1059 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,560 There we go. Say it. Say it again. 1060 00:44:58,560 --> 00:44:59,040 >> Okay. 1061 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,200 >> The reason why we can hear you, but 1062 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,040 anything that's being recorded, it 1063 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,480 doesn't pick up. And so that's the 1064 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,000 reason why you have to speak into the 1065 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:06,560 mic. 1066 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,839 >> Okay. Nancy Vincel, 4040 Grizzly, 1067 00:45:09,839 --> 00:45:13,119 Casper, Wyoming 82604. 1068 00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:16,480 And I just wanted clarification. 1069 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,880 You guys were saying that the lease a 1070 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,280 first draft has been sent to the B and 1071 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,920 it's been sent back with some re they've 1072 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,520 requested some clarification or 1073 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,400 revisions. I believe at a meeting 1074 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,079 Chairman North that you were at with us 1075 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:35,920 and Mr. Brown that we discussed about 1076 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,800 being a more a collaborative effort and 1077 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,040 we were going to be able to see it. Not 1078 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,040 that the first time we saw it was when 1079 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,599 we received it with the invoice for the 1080 00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:48,800 year and that the trailer park owners 1081 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,800 were going to review it and maybe be 1082 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,599 able to make some suggestions or ask 1083 00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:56,720 questions for clarification then. Now 1084 00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:58,640 we're going to be behind it. I mean 1085 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,359 we're just going to get our bill or 1086 00:46:01,359 --> 00:46:03,280 permit and you aren't going to be able 1087 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,720 to question anything. 1088 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,319 >> So I thought it was going to be I 1089 00:46:06,319 --> 00:46:09,680 submitted a draft to uh Mr. Davidson 1090 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,000 with the trailer park association. I 1091 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,839 don't know if that was shared after that 1092 00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:15,359 or not. I can find 1093 00:46:15,359 --> 00:46:16,640 >> it might have been. I'd been out of 1094 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:17,119 pocket. 1095 00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:19,280 >> Find a date for that. But I I shared the 1096 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,960 trailer park one with the trailer park 1097 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,359 association, the cabin one with the 1098 00:46:23,359 --> 00:46:25,119 cabin association. Okay. 1099 00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:27,440 >> The ski club received one and the boat 1100 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,680 club also received a draft. 1101 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:30,000 >> Okay. 1102 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,000 >> And I may have only heard com 1103 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,079 >> then I may stand corrected on that one 1104 00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:36,960 >> comment. So, 1105 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,760 >> um, and to clarify, the BO is the one 1106 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,160 that has the lottery requirements. It's 1107 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,599 a BO requirement, 1108 00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:45,680 >> correct? The Bureau of Rec requires us 1109 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,359 to have a lottery. Um, they do allow us 1110 00:46:49,359 --> 00:46:52,880 to try and 1111 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,440 modify the lottery, but any changes or 1112 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,440 revisions to document like that, we have 1113 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,960 to submit to them, right, 1114 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,560 >> for approval. 1115 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:01,680 >> So, yes. 1116 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:16,710 >> Okay. Thank you. 1117 00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:19,440 Honda Edwards, 3870 Spock Creek Road, 1118 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,640 Casper, Wyoming, 82604. on that lottery 1119 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,400 system. I know we can only get certain 1120 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,079 amount of names, but if you're counting 1121 00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:29,040 out the guys that got the same address, 1122 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,359 that's kind of harsh because just going 1123 00:47:33,359 --> 00:47:35,440 back to the years I was growing up, I 1124 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,440 was young, 20 years old, had a roommate, 1125 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,760 same address. 1126 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,400 We both put in for the 1127 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,000 Blake. 1128 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,680 So, if you cut one of those guys out, 1129 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,240 then you just lost one of them, right? 1130 00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:52,319 Well, I'm I'm we're just throwing ideas 1131 00:47:52,319 --> 00:47:55,280 out today. So, I mean, I'm not saying 1132 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,760 this is a perfect system. 1133 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,000 >> So, don't think it is. We have a ways to 1134 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:00,319 go. 1135 00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:01,359 >> I'm just throwing something out there 1136 00:48:01,359 --> 00:48:03,200 that's for you guys to think about when 1137 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,200 you guys go to talk about same 1138 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,520 addresses. So, like when I originally 1139 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,160 put in for mine years ago, me and my 1140 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,839 mom, we both put in, yes, I was living 1141 00:48:13,839 --> 00:48:15,520 on a fifth wheel, still on their 1142 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,280 property, 1143 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,119 but 1144 00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:22,160 we had two different names on there. 1145 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,720 So, if you guys do that, she wanted a 1146 00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:27,520 trailer and I wanted a trailer. 1147 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,440 Neither one of us would get a trailer or 1148 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,520 only one of us get named for a trailer 1149 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,920 because I have her same address because 1150 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,480 I'm just living in at my fifth wheel or 1151 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,280 some other kid might be doing that. Just 1152 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,880 throwing that out there. I mean, yeah, 1153 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,559 >> something for you guys to think about. 1154 00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:44,160 >> Yeah, I understand that completely. 1155 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,520 That's the reason why I said something 1156 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,760 about kid maybe living in the basement 1157 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,440 or something else. But what we're trying 1158 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,960 to do is make sure that we have as many 1159 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,200 names as possible so that uh it makes it 1160 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,640 easier for you to sell your your 1161 00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:59,200 trailer. 1162 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,640 >> Yeah, I understand. 1163 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,240 >> And that may be something that we have 1164 00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:06,000 to put in, you know, to a side note so 1165 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,599 that 1166 00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:10,480 >> Yeah. And and this is why I wanted to 1167 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,400 bring this up and get it out there and 1168 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,440 ask for comments, you know, sent um 1169 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,000 while we go through this process so that 1170 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,160 you know cuz the more minds we got 1171 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,640 looking at it, the better we can make it 1172 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,119 with and I understand the confines of 1173 00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:26,480 whether Bureau Rex's going to allow us 1174 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,440 or not allow us to do. So, um but those 1175 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,319 ideas help maybe get us through there at 1176 00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:33,440 least partway. 1177 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:33,760 >> Yeah. 1178 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:34,480 >> If not all the way. 1179 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:35,680 >> And something like what Nancy just 1180 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,359 brought up. Yeah. Cory did send those 1181 00:49:37,359 --> 00:49:41,440 out to us. We do have them. But 1182 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,839 months prior to that, I'd been in here 1183 00:49:43,839 --> 00:49:46,160 and talked to it was I think it was a 1184 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,440 county commissioner's meeting at that 1185 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,359 time or it might have been a parks board 1186 00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:51,599 member, but you were there and I asked 1187 00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:53,359 you if you could send that to the 1188 00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:55,119 trailer park before you submitted it so 1189 00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:57,520 we could look at it to see if we could 1190 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,000 help maybe mitigate some of the stuff 1191 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,520 and see if we could get it put in there 1192 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,440 so it wouldn't take so long. I did 1193 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,839 submit it to the trailer park before I 1194 00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:10,079 submitted it to the bureau wreck. So 1195 00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:13,119 once we had a final draft here, then I 1196 00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:16,079 submitted it out to the different permit 1197 00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:18,640 groups and then I waited for response 1198 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,720 for a week or two and then I submitted 1199 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:22,960 it to the bure. And where it's at with 1200 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,880 the bureau rec right now is I've just 1201 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,119 been copied on some of their comments. 1202 00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:30,800 They're sending it to their regional 1203 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,000 office for review. 1204 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,880 >> Yeah. So, if there are still comments or 1205 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,760 re proposed changes, please get them to 1206 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:44,000 me as soon as you can and we can try to incorporate them or I can have an 1207 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,079 email discussion with this board and see 1208 00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:49,040 if those are acceptable to revise and 1209 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,079 send them back to the to the bure. 1210 00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:54,000 >> We're not we're not in the final 1211 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,520 stretch. We can 1212 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:56,720 >> still have a conversation back and 1213 00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:58,720 forth. And that's what I was making sure 1214 00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:00,400 we still have that opportunity to have 1215 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,359 that conversation because 1216 00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:03,040 >> it's just that window is getting pretty 1217 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:03,760 short. 1218 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:04,160 >> Well, 1219 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:04,559 >> so 1220 00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:05,920 >> we are talking about the government so 1221 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,920 you it could take a lot longer. You 1222 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:08,720 think? 1223 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:11,359 >> Well, it could, but the permits expire 1224 00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:14,000 May 19th. So, if we want to be without 1225 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,040 permits for a month, I mean, drag that 1226 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:17,680 on. 1227 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,960 >> That's why I don't know. It had to been 1228 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,720 October last year that I come in and I 1229 00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:24,880 said something about it. And that's why 1230 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,960 if we had started then we we might have 1231 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,240 had better chance and our window 1232 00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:30,800 wouldn't be so tight on us now. We might 1233 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,000 have came in and tried to figure this 1234 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,480 out then a little and we might have had 1235 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,160 some better ideas too talking to other 1236 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,559 people. So that's all I got. 1237 00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:47,829 Thanks. 1238 00:51:47,839 --> 00:51:58,790 Anyone else? 1239 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,960 Bruce, we did our snow dance. It didn't 1240 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,760 work. We have tried. 1241 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,000 >> A lot of wasted dancing for sure. 1242 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,680 >> Yes, there was. 1243 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:13,750 >> Bruce Lambertson, 2449 Hogadon Road. 1244 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,760 Haven't been here in a while. It's been 1245 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,960 great, but I'm back. 1246 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,200 Justin, welcome aboard. Is D'Vorah on 1247 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,119 the phone or is he just playing hookie? 1248 00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:25,760 >> No, he he couldn't make it tonight. 1249 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,079 >> Change your name to Jim. I see. 1250 00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:30,800 >> You getting cover. 1251 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,800 >> We just change the name 1252 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,559 >> to protect the guilty. 1253 00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:36,160 >> I get it. 1254 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,160 >> Um, so 1255 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,920 you're except for chairman North, you're 1256 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,359 getting your feet under the under 1257 00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:47,119 yourselves in this new role and 1258 00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:51,920 especially Justin and Bill. Um, 1259 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,520 I was just I've got a few things to 1260 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,720 speak to, but uh, this is a big deal 1261 00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:59,040 you're doing and I just want to thank 1262 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,319 you for doing it and for signing up, but 1263 00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:04,640 I also remind you the magnitude of this 1264 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:09,440 task. I mean, your bylaws statutoily, 1265 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,440 few things come to mind. The board of 1266 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,359 trustees control, maintain, and manage 1267 00:53:13,359 --> 00:53:15,760 the county parks and pleasure grounds. 1268 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,040 monies levied by the levied for parks 1269 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,839 and recreation purp shall be expended 1270 00:53:21,839 --> 00:53:24,319 only by the board of trustees. You're in 1271 00:53:24,319 --> 00:53:25,760 charge of every penny that goes through 1272 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,760 this operation. 1273 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,440 And that's huge, but I know you're up 1274 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,200 for it, but don't ever forget it, 1275 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:34,559 please. 1276 00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:37,359 Um, 1277 00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:39,599 page three, the recreation board shall 1278 00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:41,440 manage, operate, and regulate the 1279 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,599 recreational systems and may take any 1280 00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:46,720 steps necessary to ensure the safe, 1281 00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:49,119 economical, and enjoyable operation of 1282 00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:52,800 the system. That's a big deal. That can 1283 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,720 be messed up or done correctly, 1284 00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:56,240 whatever, but there's a it's a big deal. 1285 00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:59,760 And I guess my sense is it's slowly 1286 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,720 converting from an advisory role to a 1287 00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:05,599 statuto role. Let's call in the shots. 1288 00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:08,559 And I think there's a ways to go 1289 00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:10,400 and I think it'll be great when it 1290 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,480 happens because the parks department 1291 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,319 needs your leadership and your 1292 00:54:14,319 --> 00:54:18,559 authority. So hang in there and I thank 1293 00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:21,599 you and I I really want to see some 1294 00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:25,359 things happen. And um one of those 1295 00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:27,040 things is the parking lot at the trail 1296 00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,000 ledge. Okay? And I'll show you pictures 1297 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,480 later on, but 1298 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,079 on September 11th of last year, many of 1299 00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:38,000 you weren't at that meeting. There was 1300 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,920 considerable discussion about the fact 1301 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,720 that parking lot doesn't drain. 1302 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,400 Um, it's been a problem since the 1303 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,240 beginning. In my view, and it's just my 1304 00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:48,800 view, um, that building's never been 1305 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,440 finished. That parking lot is part of 1306 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:52,880 that structure. It's never been 1307 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,240 finished. And I don't want to see it 1308 00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:56,480 drag on. It might have to, but I don't 1309 00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,880 want to see it drag on like the picnic 1310 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,839 shelter at Bear Trap for years. Right 1311 00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:04,640 now, that's a mud hole. On September 1312 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,640 11th, after all the discussion, there's 1313 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,240 going to be regrading. There's a lot of 1314 00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,880 fingerpointing. Why doesn't the the 1315 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,319 parking lot grain? There's a lot of 1316 00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:15,200 reasons. Groundwater, 1317 00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,400 improper installation, no drainage. The 1318 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:19,760 engineers pointing this way, the 1319 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,680 contractor's pointing that way. All 1320 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,839 right. So the agreement then was to get 1321 00:55:23,839 --> 00:55:27,200 a good survey done, develop proper slope 1322 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,680 so that parking lot drains out into 1323 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,720 Elcart Creek. Okay. They spent a lot of 1324 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:35,839 time. There was already funded gravel. 1325 00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:38,240 The gravel it looks like, but uh well, 1326 00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:39,920 you can correct me later, but I'll keep 1327 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,240 going. Um looks like that crappy gravel 1328 00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:44,800 that the the county mil years ago, 1329 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,280 decades ago, a lot of sandstone and it's 1330 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,520 been sitting up at that pile. It's too 1331 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,319 fine. it turns to mud and it's what you 1332 00:55:52,319 --> 00:55:54,000 have so you use it all over the place. 1333 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,079 But there wasn't a good gravel road base 1334 00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:58,720 brought in and it went to hell. So that 1335 00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:02,799 was September 11th there was a plan. 1336 00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:07,359 October 9th, less than a month later, 1337 00:56:07,359 --> 00:56:09,599 it was up again. What's going on? 1338 00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:12,799 Michael said it doesn't drain. Okay. And 1339 00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:14,720 there was a discussion about putting a 1340 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:16,960 drain in in the low spot just off the 1341 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,440 corner by the handicap where I'll show 1342 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,200 you the pictures later. Today that's 1343 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,599 already a swamp. Has been all winter 1344 00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:25,520 when it's warm. 1345 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,760 Okay. So, it was discussed it's going to 1346 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,880 be a drain that fed into that 24in pipe. 1347 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,960 It was a solution some of us have been 1348 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,280 pushing since that building was just 1349 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:36,799 getting built because even the 1350 00:56:36,799 --> 00:56:38,240 contractor knew it was going to be a 1351 00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:41,119 problem. 1352 00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:43,040 Michael presented that there was five 1353 00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,119 people may be interested. One who said 1354 00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:46,799 he could probably get it done by the end 1355 00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:50,319 of October. So this was October 9th. You 1356 00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:52,160 asked about Chairman North asked about 1357 00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:56,640 the size of the um concrete um apron 1358 00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,680 around the drain and wisely suggested 1359 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,839 that they expanded from two feet to 10 1360 00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:04,799 feet so to better accommodate cleanout, 1361 00:57:04,799 --> 00:57:06,799 proper drainage. 1362 00:57:06,799 --> 00:57:09,920 And I haven't heard a word since. That 1363 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,200 was October 11th. 1364 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:12,960 >> Let me let me let me let me give you a 1365 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,079 quick update on that. 1366 00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:16,240 >> Well, let me if you don't mind so I 1367 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,440 don't blow my time. I'd like an update, 1368 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,119 but let me finish off saying if you 1369 00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:22,640 don't mind. Is that okay? 1370 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:23,119 >> Yep. 1371 00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:25,680 >> Okay. Thanks. So, that was two meetings 1372 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,839 in a row last fall and we're still 1373 00:57:27,839 --> 00:57:30,880 nowhere. The problem, and you definitely 1374 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,119 know that. So, we have guests coming to 1375 00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:37,200 our community, using our facilities, 1376 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,200 trashing their vehicles in a parking lot 1377 00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,000 that doesn't drain, and going into a 1378 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,000 brand new $2 million building with muddy 1379 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,760 feet. 1380 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,400 And it's not it's not finished. So, I'd 1381 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:49,680 like to see it finished. And you have 1382 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,200 the authority and the and the 1383 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,079 responsibility to get it done. So, can 1384 00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:57,119 we get moving 1385 00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:00,480 next? Same kind of thing. 1386 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,200 Anybody who works in this community or 1387 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,280 recreates this community outside is 1388 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:06,960 scared to death of the fire risk that's 1389 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,640 heading our way. We've had a dry, 1390 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,480 warm winter and it's a factor. I think 1391 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,640 you're all aware that there's no public 1392 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,000 access to water on Casper Mountain. And 1393 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,359 you who have been involved in 1394 00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:23,520 firefighting know first response is 1395 00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,280 critical. 1396 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,119 a little fire that can be put out with a 1397 00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:30,640 five gallon jerry can 20 minutes later 1398 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,680 is an issue. And who is first responder 1399 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,240 up there is actually the city of Casper 1400 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,079 because they have a man fire station at 1401 00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:39,520 Sunrise and they're the first guys to 1402 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,319 get up there and then county comes and 1403 00:58:42,319 --> 00:58:44,079 then the volunteers get organized. It's 1404 00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:46,400 a great volunteer force with good 1405 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,240 equipment, but they got to get up out of 1406 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,359 their houses, get get their bunkers on 1407 00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:52,720 and get up there and get those things 1408 00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,640 warmed up and ready to go. So the 1409 00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,440 response is not two minutes. And oddly 1410 00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:58,960 enough, the first people there, the city 1411 00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,079 of Casper, which is great, believe me, 1412 00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:04,240 but there's no water. So we have campers 1413 00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,040 coming up here who don't always know 1414 00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,799 there's no water until they get to a 1415 00:59:08,799 --> 00:59:12,150 campsite, 1416 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,240 who are allowed to light fires at a lot 1417 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,200 of time, and don't have a simple way of 1418 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,040 responding if they screw up or somebody 1419 00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,960 screws up in the neighbor. I've been 1420 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,839 pushing hard. The only potable water up 1421 00:59:23,839 --> 00:59:26,799 there goes into the new building. 1422 00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:29,200 I would like to see, and this I've been 1423 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,920 barking about this for years, I would 1424 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,359 like to see a frost proof line from that 1425 00:59:35,359 --> 00:59:38,079 water system feeding a frost proof 1426 00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:40,400 hydrant across the parking lot with a 1427 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,599 nice sign that says camper water fill 1428 00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:45,760 station. Maybe there'd be a map of the 1429 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,640 cars, but people could go there and fill 1430 00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,079 their jerry can or their water bows or 1431 00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:54,640 anything with potable water and have it 1432 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,960 available and anybody could have it 1433 00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,240 available. Now, I've heard all the 1434 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,040 excuses. City owns the property. 1435 01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:02,240 Somebody's going to steal it. I'm going 1436 01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,280 to come fill my sister. Whatever it is, 1437 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,920 this can be done. The the the water's 1438 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,040 not clean. There's potable registered 1439 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,960 water into that building. Let's get a 1440 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,720 line across the parking lot. This is not 1441 01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,440 expensive. And in in today's maybe it 1442 01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:18,880 cost 10 grand. I don't know. That'd be 1443 01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,799 silly if it did, but it might. That's 1444 01:00:20,799 --> 01:00:22,480 nothing. 1445 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,559 And with this whole Casper who owns the 1446 01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:26,400 property deal, you know, everything I'm 1447 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,400 talking about, 1448 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,400 when a guest comes up there and gets his 1449 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,079 truck all muddy, his car all muddy, 1450 01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:33,440 walks into a brand new building, gets 1451 01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,760 the building all muddy, they don't care 1452 01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,359 who owns it. They're our guests and we 1453 01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:41,839 haven't finished our building. when that 1454 01:00:41,839 --> 01:00:43,440 mountain burns, they're not going to 1455 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,680 care who owns that either. It's your 1456 01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,799 responsibility for your parks grounds. 1457 01:00:48,799 --> 01:00:51,440 So, I I mean, I'm getting tired of 1458 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,040 bringing this up and I've tried to do 1459 01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:56,559 what I can, but 1460 01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:58,240 we need to move on these. This is 1461 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,240 important. It's really going to be 1462 01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,599 critical and it's not difficult. 1463 01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:05,440 So, again, I appreciate what you're 1464 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,440 doing and if it's all news to you, I get 1465 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,680 that. But it's not been news to the 1466 01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,079 commissioners, to Michael, to the people 1467 01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:13,920 who have been involved with this a long 1468 01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,079 time longer than you. And it's now your 1469 01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:18,480 responsibility to spend the money, make 1470 01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,040 the decisions, preserve the properties 1471 01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,760 and the buildings, and treat your guests 1472 01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,280 right. 1473 01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,200 So that's what I got. And I will show 1474 01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:28,960 you a picture of And I know you're going 1475 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,799 to say, "Well, no, no, no. It's city. 1476 01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:32,960 No, not 1477 01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:49,829 the parking lot. 1478 01:01:49,839 --> 01:01:51,920 » Now question is the parking lot at 1479 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,200 Hogadon. Isn't some of that paved? 1480 01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:56,960 >> Is all of it paved or just I haven't 1481 01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:58,240 been over there in a while. So 1482 01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,960 >> no, there's a couple hundred feet paved 1483 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,079 where it feeds the drain. So there's a 1484 01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:05,680 base 1485 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,280 and you know the other thing I'll just 1486 01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,680 quickly add 1487 01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,400 what water does is a wellstudied 1488 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,440 engineered long time we have the pool of 1489 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:19,359 knowledge to know what water does. 1490 01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:21,839 We can solve this problem. 1491 01:02:21,839 --> 01:02:24,480 Why people don't know what water does? I 1492 01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,640 some of them we the county has paid to 1493 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,480 tell us the answer and I don't know what 1494 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,319 happened to that either. But anyway, I'd 1495 01:02:30,319 --> 01:02:31,760 love your response, but more I'd like 1496 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,280 you to think about this hard because 1497 01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,760 I'll be back and it's really really 1498 01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,920 going to be important and times time's a 1499 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,240 waste. But anyway, thank you, 1500 01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:41,839 >> Bruce. I'm going to answer your question 1501 01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:42,400 though. 1502 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:43,599 >> That's fine. 1503 01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:45,119 >> I'm listening. 1504 01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:47,040 >> The drain system that we were planning 1505 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,799 on putting in, we could not get anybody 1506 01:02:50,799 --> 01:02:52,319 to come up there and actually do the 1507 01:02:52,319 --> 01:02:54,960 work last year. That was part of the 1508 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:56,319 problem. That's the reason why it did 1509 01:02:56,319 --> 01:02:59,119 not get completed last year. That is 1510 01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:02,480 something that we looked at and we 1511 01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:03,839 couldn't get anybody to get there before 1512 01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:06,799 the fro the the frost set in. So that 1513 01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:09,520 eliminated what we could do. We did haul 1514 01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,799 in approximately $20,000 worth of base 1515 01:03:12,799 --> 01:03:14,559 course. And it's not just 1516 01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:16,480 >> where whose base 1517 01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,470 >> it was from Knife River. 1518 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,799 » Huh? Gotcha. 1519 01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:25,039 >> Well, I'm just telling you that we we 1520 01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:28,160 have limited We have limited supply 1521 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:29,200 right now that we can 1522 01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:30,559 >> don't spend it on stuff that doesn't 1523 01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:31,680 work then. 1524 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,680 >> Well, I I'm not going to I'm not going 1525 01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,520 to go down that that road with you, but 1526 01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,280 I'm just saying that we did haul in 1527 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,119 quite a bit. And one of the things that 1528 01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:41,760 we did, and I know Stacy and John were 1529 01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,000 both on this board, that we had that 1530 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,920 surveyed so we knew exactly what that 1531 01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,960 slope was before we started moving 1532 01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,039 forward with anything. That's when we 1533 01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:54,319 got the design for the drain. So, we can 1534 01:03:54,319 --> 01:04:00,319 take that water out close to where the handicap parking is and we can drain 1535 01:04:00,319 --> 01:04:02,960 it. But unfortunately 1536 01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,039 up on the mountain, it's just like down 1537 01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:08,559 here when frost sets in, you can't get 1538 01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:10,559 anybody to do anything because it tears 1539 01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:12,640 up their equipment. It's too hard on the 1540 01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:13,200 equipment. 1541 01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,359 >> So what's the plan right here right now? 1542 01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:19,200 insulting to think 1543 01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:20,880 >> real money on 1544 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,359 >> I would just like to add that last 1545 01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:26,160 October we had no idea that this winter 1546 01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,599 was going to be as dry as it is and so 1547 01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:32,319 bringing in the material from Knife 1548 01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:35,039 River was a solution to get us through 1549 01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:37,680 this winter so that we could make a plan 1550 01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,599 while the weather was nicer to get in 1551 01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:42,319 there and get that fixed. So, you know, 1552 01:04:42,319 --> 01:04:44,880 coming into October, you're kind of 1553 01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:46,799 limited on days that you can get people 1554 01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:48,720 to do that kind of work, particularly on 1555 01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,079 the mountain, because the temperatures 1556 01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:51,520 are cooler up there than they are in 1557 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,839 town. And so it's not that this board 1558 01:04:53,839 --> 01:04:55,920 has forgotten about what we talked about 1559 01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,520 last spring or last fall, but we had no 1560 01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,200 way of knowing it was going to be 65 1561 01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,039 degrees the rest of the winter and that 1562 01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:05,520 it was, you know, inevitably we thought 1563 01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,440 there would be snow pack up there in the 1564 01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,079 parking lot, you know, and the fact that 1565 01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:11,839 we haven't had any snow is why that 1566 01:05:11,839 --> 01:05:14,880 there's mud everywhere. And had we had a 1567 01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,960 normal snow year, there would be snow in 1568 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:18,559 that parking lot. And it would be an 1569 01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:20,079 issue during the mud season when ski 1570 01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:22,799 season is over. But that's not 1571 01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:24,480 >> I understand that. 1572 01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,000 >> I what I'm saying is we haven't 1573 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,119 forgotten. 1574 01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:27,599 >> Okay. 1575 01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:32,960 >> And Mike has done the work and we did a little fix to get us through 1576 01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,599 the winter so that this spring and fall 1577 01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:37,440 we could get it prepared for next ski 1578 01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,599 season. 1579 01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:41,760 >> But I will say, Bruce, it looks a whole 1580 01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,680 lot better right now than it did last 1581 01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:44,720 year at this time. 1582 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:48,559 >> Every day it opportunity. But anyway, 1583 01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:50,559 >> but Mike did get uh Mike did get the 1584 01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:52,640 topography done up there and he did look 1585 01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,960 at the sloping and we got that done last 1586 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:56,880 fall and so there is a plan in place, 1587 01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:58,960 but you can't get somebody up there to 1588 01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,400 do anything about it during the winter 1589 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:01,440 months. 1590 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,200 >> So the only thing that didn't get done 1591 01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,359 was the box covert getting installed and 1592 01:06:05,359 --> 01:06:08,720 that's still on the agenda to get done, 1593 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,760 >> but it was graded following a 1594 01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,079 professional topo. You can see in your 1595 01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:16,160 picture here how the water flows in 1596 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,400 somewhat of a channel. That's quite an 1597 01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,240 improvement. And this tightened up quite 1598 01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,920 a bit because last spring when you drove 1599 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,599 over this parking lot light, you sank in 1600 01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:29,440 six 8 in deep. Um now with the 1601 01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,680 additional gravel and the better grading 1602 01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:33,520 and some drainage. I mean there's still 1603 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,039 some pooling, but you're not getting the 1604 01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:36,640 ringing like you used to. 1605 01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,000 >> Drive up there. 1606 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:38,640 >> I do. 1607 01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:40,640 >> My point is spring has come. We're in 1608 01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,599 the mud season and or not. We might just 1609 01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:45,920 buy a few weeks, but I don't care about 1610 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,599 what's happened. I'm really curious 1611 01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:50,240 about what's the plan moving forward and 1612 01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:54,079 how fast can go two week two more years 1613 01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:57,680 like the bear tra. 1614 01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,640 Let's look ahead. What does anyone 1615 01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,839 think's going to happen next two months? 1616 01:07:03,839 --> 01:07:08,000 And yeah, it'll snow. It won't snow. 1617 01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:09,440 People worked on that mountain all 1618 01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,200 winter 1619 01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,839 construction. So, Bruce, yeah, just just 1620 01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:15,839 real quick. I mean, obviously still very 1621 01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:18,319 much getting my feet wet in this board. 1622 01:07:18,319 --> 01:07:22,480 Um, but I was aware of obviously I've 1623 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,240 been aware of the issue with the parking 1624 01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:28,160 lot. I'm up there all the time. But, um, 1625 01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,880 at our last work session, it's funny you 1626 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,720 mentioned the frost proof line with the 1627 01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:33,920 hydrant because that was actually 1628 01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,319 something that I brought up mentioned in 1629 01:07:36,319 --> 01:07:39,200 our last work session. um being a 1630 01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:42,559 priority needs to happen as far as like 1631 01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:45,280 what that process is going to look like. 1632 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:46,720 I don't know. Again, still getting my 1633 01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,200 feet wet, but it's a priority for me. 1634 01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,920 It's a priority for this board to 1635 01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,799 obviously get that done. Um what that's 1636 01:07:54,799 --> 01:07:56,880 going to look like, I don't know. I 1637 01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:58,400 guess I can just hope that it's going to 1638 01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,760 happen and push for it to happen. Um, 1639 01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:06,160 but again being new on the board, like 1640 01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,200 we want the same thing. Like I want 1641 01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,680 water on that mountain. Um, not just for 1642 01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:15,119 the campers, but for fire mitigation. 1643 01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:16,640 We all know that this summer is going to 1644 01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:22,159 be pretty bleak if we don't get some good moisture this spring. So, the 1645 01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:26,000 need to get something put in now instead 1646 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,000 of later, 1647 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,799 I 100% agree. And I think that everybody 1648 01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:32,480 on this board agrees as well. No, 1649 01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:34,480 >> I appreciate that and I appreciate again 1650 01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:36,239 what you're all doing. I'm just saying 1651 01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:37,520 might have shift gears. 1652 01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:38,080 >> Yeah. 1653 01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,520 >> See this parks department needs your 1654 01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:46,960 leadership and your drive to get things 1655 01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:52,470 about the same. 1656 01:08:52,480 --> 01:08:55,199 I mean that's go to any YouTube you 1657 01:08:55,199 --> 01:09:02,550 want. I thought I saw this. 1658 01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:03,920 All right, we got any other public 1659 01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:05,759 comment? 1660 01:09:05,759 --> 01:09:09,759 Okay, we'll go on to trustee comments. 1661 01:09:09,759 --> 01:09:11,600 Justin, have you got anything to add 1662 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,359 tonight? 1663 01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:15,279 >> Yeah, like I like I kind of like I just 1664 01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:18,000 said, just reiterate again. Um, still 1665 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,640 getting my feet wet with all this. um 1666 01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,120 very well aware of the issues with the 1667 01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,520 well more aware now of the lottery 1668 01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,560 issues and that whole process but again 1669 01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,600 um just patience we're going to figure 1670 01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,319 it out um not everybody's going to be 1671 01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:37,520 the most happy but um that's kind of 1672 01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,640 just reality um but we are trying to 1673 01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,199 work towards the same things I I I fully 1674 01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:48,000 believe that um and then uh yeah just 1675 01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,640 patience and Um 1676 01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:52,480 hopefully we can get some things done 1677 01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:56,719 this summer to uh get some positive 1678 01:09:56,719 --> 01:09:58,880 growth and progress going for the parks 1679 01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,800 department. Um because that's what we 1680 01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:05,360 all want. So thank you 1681 01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,040 >> Stacy. 1682 01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:08,880 >> I just have to say that you know we we 1683 01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,760 are still a new board. Um John Hatcher 1684 01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,760 and I have only been on this for less 1685 01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,520 than a year. Dave North has been doing 1686 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,040 this for a really long time and we 1687 01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,679 appreciate his guidance and leadership 1688 01:10:19,679 --> 01:10:21,679 and historical perspective on what's 1689 01:10:21,679 --> 01:10:24,960 going on and you know we just ask for 1690 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,800 some grace and um understanding as we 1691 01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:30,480 try to navigate through all this. We're 1692 01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:32,480 here because we support the parks and we 1693 01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:35,360 want to make change and we want to make 1694 01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,120 things better and we want everybody to 1695 01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:40,560 be able to enjoy all of the parks to you 1696 01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,600 know fullest of you know the extent 1697 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,640 possible and we're here to you know be 1698 01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,640 an advocate for everybody for the 1699 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,800 mountain for the lake for all the 1700 01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,440 different parks in Nrona County and 1701 01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:54,719 we're here because we care and we're 1702 01:10:54,719 --> 01:10:56,560 members of this community and so as 1703 01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,880 we're on boarding you know I'm not aware 1704 01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,560 of the history that's gone on for 10 1705 01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,199 years, but I'm willing to jump in and 1706 01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:05,760 learn and I want to do right by 1707 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,679 everybody involved in this and also do 1708 01:11:07,679 --> 01:11:10,320 what's right by the camp. And so I just 1709 01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,000 want to say give us some grace. We are 1710 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,080 listening. We hear you and we want to 1711 01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,800 come to some compromises on things and 1712 01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,440 make things fair and get things done. So 1713 01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:23,360 that's my goal as a board member. But um 1714 01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:27,679 thank you all for having me here. 1715 01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:30,239 >> John 1716 01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:31,920 Oh, I I'll say the same thing that 1717 01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,239 Justin and Stacy said as far as we this 1718 01:11:34,239 --> 01:11:37,040 is a a volunteer thing. We asked we put 1719 01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:38,400 our applications in and got out, but 1720 01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,199 everyone that showed up there to get um 1721 01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:42,960 take for these positions was because we 1722 01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,719 did have something that we wanted to 1723 01:11:44,719 --> 01:11:49,920 make this um county parks um 1724 01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:51,600 good for everyone, not only for our 1725 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,360 community, but for everyone's coming in. 1726 01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,679 Um so, like I said, we are working on 1727 01:11:55,679 --> 01:11:59,040 it, trying to figure things out. Um, and 1728 01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,040 with that, I would I would like to thank 1729 01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:02,640 Michael. Um, I had someone from the 1730 01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,320 trailer park that came up to me this 1731 01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:07,280 last weekend and would like to uh thank 1732 01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,600 your your people out there working. They 1733 01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:14,159 were cleaning the gutters of leaves and 1734 01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:15,280 um they were out there through the 1735 01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:16,560 middle of the week to check on their 1736 01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,440 trailer and uh there was a lady that was 1737 01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:21,040 out there and she's like, "Well, we're 1738 01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:22,400 just doing what we need to do out here." 1739 01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,120 But they really would like to thank the 1740 01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:26,719 people out there because they're 1741 01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:29,600 cleaning those out to where again when 1742 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,400 uh things start u water starts flowing 1743 01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:33,840 or anything else, it's important to have 1744 01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:35,280 those gutters cleaned out with the new 1745 01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,840 sidewalks we put in. So I just wanted to 1746 01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,760 give that to you. Whoever you have 1747 01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,360 working out there, um there was a person 1748 01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:43,040 in the trailer park appreciated that the 1749 01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:44,880 people from the parks department was out 1750 01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,840 there cleaning stuff up. 1751 01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,239 >> I'll let my staff know. Thank you. 1752 01:12:50,239 --> 01:12:52,880 That's all I have. 1753 01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:54,960 The only thing I really want to add is 1754 01:12:54,960 --> 01:13:00,239 that our park system is very big 1755 01:13:00,239 --> 01:13:01,760 and 1756 01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:03,440 everybody 1757 01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:06,400 focuses on what's important to them and 1758 01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:10,000 what's right in front of them. And 1759 01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,199 when you start having to stretch our 1760 01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:15,600 resources all the way across the board, 1761 01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,199 it seems like we're stretched out a 1762 01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:18,560 little bit further than we would really 1763 01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,480 like sometimes. 1764 01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:21,840 That doesn't mean that we're not 1765 01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,000 concerned and that we're not working 1766 01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,360 toward improving things, but just 1767 01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,600 because we don't get to something 1768 01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,120 immediately 1769 01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:32,800 doesn't mean that we aren't we don't 1770 01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,280 believe it's important. But it's just 1771 01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,239 that we have a lot of other things that 1772 01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:41,520 we have to do. Um that goes right along 1773 01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:45,600 with that. you know, um, 1774 01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,760 our park system on the mountain is is 1775 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,320 big and 1776 01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,239 you know, it's like I said earlier, 1777 01:13:52,239 --> 01:13:54,159 we're working, we're trying to get 1778 01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:56,800 something taken care of as far as lease 1779 01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:58,719 agreement. That puts us in a real 1780 01:13:58,719 --> 01:14:00,560 stalemate as far as what we can and 1781 01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,520 can't do right now and and transferring 1782 01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,000 properties and and doing other things up 1783 01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,040 on the mountain until that's completed. 1784 01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:10,960 We're kind of on hold on a lot of stuff. 1785 01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:12,640 There's just a lot of things we can't 1786 01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,159 do. Um, you know, we do own some areas 1787 01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:19,280 that outright like Bear Trap, um, 1788 01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,560 Bondrose Park, and you know, we run the 1789 01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:24,400 archery range, but that's under a lease 1790 01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,040 agreement with the BLM. So, those are 1791 01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,320 all different. The BO is the same way. 1792 01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,239 you know, we have to work within the 1793 01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:37,840 constraints that they give us and 1794 01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,400 that that takes a lot of effort, a lot 1795 01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,840 more than people realize sometimes. Um, 1796 01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,440 you know, fortunately, I'm really 1797 01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:48,320 thankful that Visit Casper was able to 1798 01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,400 step in up and help us out with Hell's 1799 01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,719 Halfacre because 1800 01:14:52,719 --> 01:14:55,120 that had been neglected for years. I 1801 01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:58,560 mean, a lot of years. And now 1802 01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,960 it's something we can be proud of. I 1803 01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:02,960 mean, it's got a good boardwalk out 1804 01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:04,320 there. It's got a good location. It's 1805 01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,640 got information signs. We're getting an 1806 01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,040 outhouse out there this year. Um, and 1807 01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:12,320 some other stuff. So, it kind of takes 1808 01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:15,120 us all the way across the county. You 1809 01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:16,560 know, there's a lot of stuff that we 1810 01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,040 have that we have to look at. So just 1811 01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:22,159 because we don't get to something 1812 01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:25,120 as soon as you think that we should, it 1813 01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,199 doesn't mean that we're neglecting it. 1814 01:15:27,199 --> 01:15:29,199 just means that there's things that 1815 01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:32,159 we have to get taken care of. Right now, 1816 01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:33,199 one of the things that we're going to 1817 01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:36,080 have to work on um with Michael is is 1818 01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,719 our is our budget because we got to turn 1819 01:15:38,719 --> 01:15:42,000 that in pretty soon. And I will tell you 1820 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,719 that um 1821 01:15:44,719 --> 01:15:47,120 looking at the revenue projections, it's 1822 01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,840 anybody's guess, you know, so we don't 1823 01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:51,440 know exactly what we're going to be able 1824 01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:54,000 to to get and what we're not going to be 1825 01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,880 able to get. But those are we can't we 1826 01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,440 can't spend money that we don't have. 1827 01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:01,600 And that comes down to to where we go 1828 01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:05,679 and and what happens. So with that, I 1829 01:16:05,679 --> 01:16:10,000 don't have anything else. So we are a