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so I guess I'll start. Uh, Jack Walsh

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from Derby, and I'm co-chair of the

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» Uh, Desra.

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» I'm Desra Blanchard, uh, communications

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» Yeah. Aaron Yaron Budd. I'm the

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environmental planning director here at

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NVCOG. Tom

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» Hi, I'm Emily. I'm a designer at Stimson

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Landscape Architects.

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» Uh, Christine.

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» Hi, I'm Christine. I'm a senior

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environmental planner with Envy Cog.

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» Paul.

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» Yeah. Paul Benvich Water, downtown

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engineer.

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» Okay. The other Paul. [laughter]

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» Paul Woodworth. Uh, senior director of

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ecological restoration at Save the

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» Hi, Michael Inquis from Simpson

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Landscape Architect.

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» Okay. City of Waterberry.

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» Good morning. Judy Mancini. I'm adviser

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to Mayor Paul Pernooki.

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» Molly,

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» You just muted yourself. Molly,

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you want to unmute yourself and

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introduce yourself? There you go.

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» Hi, sorry having technical issues, but

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Nielsen with NVCOG. Um,

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» Hi Jeff Barilla. Uh, community liaison

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at Save the Sound for the Kenny Town Dam

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Removal Project.

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» Jerry Jerry Lucowski, director of public

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works, Water Town.

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» Hi, Daisy Everingham. I'm an

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» Kevin.

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» Uh, good morning. Kevin Ellis, senior

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» Okay, Glenn.

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» I'm Glenn Valentine, principal from

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Stimson Landscape Architecture.

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» Okay, Michael.

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» How you doing? Michael Dham, uh,

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director of parks and recreation,

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» Okay, next one I'm going to butcher.

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video.

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Not even close, I don't think.

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» That's all right. Good morning,

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everyone. Um, my name is Tao Ola. I'm a

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transportation planner at Envy Chicago.

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» Okay. Denise.

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» Uh, Denise Rap, First Leman, Town of

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Lichfield.

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» Cleave.

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» Yes. Hi, I'm Cle, town of Lichfield.

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» Tommy.

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Tommy Rack, you there?

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» Yeah. Yeah, I'm here.

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» Okay. Who are you representing, Tommy?

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» Hi. Bobby Brown, a communications

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associate with NVCOG.

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» Hey, Tony.

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» Tony Adilly, town of Thomson ladies

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» Hey, Burke.

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» Hi, Amanda. Uh Thomas Greenway chair.

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transportation planner and VCOG.

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» James. Oh, James Culpa.

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» Uh James Culpa, VHP oversee projects in

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as well as a steep grant program.

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» Yeah, Vince Seafford. I'm a volunteer

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for Ngatuck and when I'm doing my paid

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» Hi everybody. Chris Roberts. I'm with uh

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» Jim Stewart, public works Nagatuk.

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people being on board. So, uh, those are

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introductions. All right. Uh, let's see.

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Erin, shall we go right into the

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updates? Waterberry.

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» Uh, good morning everyone. Um, we're

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still in design on the greenway part.

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rideway acquisitions and we're moving

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slowly but surely forward in in process.

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government as far as that could be a

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little bit up in the air, but we're

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still proceeding forward and moving

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along with the timelines as if we are

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absolutely getting the remaining funding

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» Let's hope so. What What's the actual

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distance of that section you're you're

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miles, but I can get that for you. I

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don't have that right in front of me.

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» Okay. Right. Uh and you got some good

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» Yeah, we did. It was a great day. It's a

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great It's It's great. People enjoy it.

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» Let's hope so. [clears throat] Uh and

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is that going to be you, Erin?

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» Yeah. So, the last thing I heard and

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» Uh Bill Anderson is typing right now. So

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get an update from him. I think that's

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» Okay. All right. Uh, Watertown Jury, you

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street with flashing vehicans with a

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bridge that's in production uh right now

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in Alabama. Um the abupments uh are set

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tomorrow for the bridge. Um once the uh

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substantial completion on October 25th.

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» Um, so is Kevin on?

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» Yes, I am here.

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» So, so, uh, Beacon Falls is working on a

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municipality about, you know, it being a

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engineer here on staff, has been working

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greenway, um, that'd be great.

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conversations maybe six weeks ago and we

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that abandonment we're not going to tear

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leave the pavement there and the Narctic

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with uh South Main street all the way

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way to uh what's the name of the park?

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Riverbend Park. Did I get that right,

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» Okay. So, that that that that's probably

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the biggest news with all this is we'll

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using the old alignment. No need no need

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to change the pavement. The striping the

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striping can just be there. It doesn't

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talking maybe 25 20 25 ft plus of

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pavement that would just become the

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greenway.

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That's kind of the really the biggest

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change as part of these plans and none

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of it is being shown here because it's

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technically outside of the project

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limits.

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But uh as you kind of go uh move uh

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towards the north uh we'll have the

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section of greenway tying to the

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existing section that's ex that's right

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that that's right uh against the Route

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42 or not Route 42 South Main Street

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along the river that will remain in

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place. That will just continue being as

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is. Um, so as you move north, that

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sector to greenway is still going to be

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there. Obviously, the roadway corridor

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is not very different. There's a lot

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more grass between the greenway and now

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the new two-lane road, on street

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parking, that sort of thing.

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And then even further north, uh, kind of

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halfway between that, uh, on South Main

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Street heading towards Depot Street

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where that old like iron bridges, the

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town wants to have some developable land

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in this area. So really for the

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greenway, we're talking about like

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amenities, shops, sort of things that if

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you're riding a bike, you can stop for

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like a cup of coffee, maybe some ice

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cream, maybe just like local shops along

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the way. Just kind of it kind of gives a

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really different context to the greenway

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and more of an economic driver, which

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obviously the town of Beacon Falls is

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very interested in.

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And then once we get to Deeper Street,

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uh the existing greenway ends, but as

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part of this project, we'll be creating

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a multi-use trail that will be

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continuing along North Main Street from

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the greenway. So, we have this little

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connector piece here, crosswalk across

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depot, and then we'll kind of having a a

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12t wide greenway moving all the way up

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along the corridor kind of past all the

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existing businesses. Uh, again, the

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roadway is now two lanes. So, with the

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extra roadway space, we have room for

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grass plantings, but but relevant here,

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the greenway. So, this will kind of

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continue up past the route 8 uh on and

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off ramps intersection, and it'll

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continue all the way up to the end of

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the quarter, which is where North Main

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Street will turn into Church Street. So,

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this is where the greenway will end for

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now. I know there are plans to get it

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through the Naggatuck forest somehow. I

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know I've had a lot of conversations of

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how to do that, how much money it will

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cost, but that that's a different topic

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for a different day.

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So really here uh the big highlights are

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the Route 42 alignment south of Bethany

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Road will the river side will become the

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Narctic River Greenway which will extend

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the greenway uh pretty significantly

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down I think for about a mile or so and

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then using the existing greenway

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footprint. Obviously, the whole context

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will be different, but really the

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existing greenway will be there with new

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shop shops along the way. And then we'll

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be extending the greenway up past Depot

349
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Street all the way up along North Main

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Street to Church Street, kind of where

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the end of the project limits are. So,

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those are the big highlights for Beacon

353
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Falls. I know it's a lot. I kind of

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quickly said at once, so of course I'll

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take any questions or comments or

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thoughts about this whole project.

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Do you have funding for this yet or?

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» Yes. So, so the way lots of works is uh

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they already applied for for application

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funding. As part of the pro process, you

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need to allocate funding for it. So, the

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board has already approved this. Uh

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right now we're looking at a $16 million

364
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price tag for the whole quarter

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improvements. Um this number is a is a

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living number. It might change as the

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project develops over time, but the way

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lots of works is as an MVCOG, we get

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around $10.8 million per year. projects

370
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continuously roll in and then once a

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project's ready to construct and we have

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the funding set aside for in in our

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coffers, uh, we can get it built. So, we

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do have the funding kind of set aside

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for this project already.

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» Great.

377
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Any questions?

378
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Okay, let's move on. Good luck with

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that. That sounds great.

380
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» Thank you.

381
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» All right. How about uh Harington?

382
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All right, I guess we're back to you.

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[laughter]

384
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» Um,

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so Nog I think Ngatuck we skipped.

386
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» Oh, okay. Let's go back to I thought

387
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that was part of the water tub report.

388
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[clears throat]

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» So Jim Stewart, uh, public works. Um,

390
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Kleinfelder is still in preliminary

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design.

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We're currently grappling with uh the

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section of of trail that goes between

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Fields and in the existing driveway and

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and the Salem Bridge over the Ngatuck

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River. Um it's very tight. The road is

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probably only, you know, 19 18 ft

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two-way road at this point or the the

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the access way to the fields. Um, so we

400
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have to figure out what we're going to

401
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do uh with the the parking which which

402
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would be affected the the roadway and

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the fencing to the field. So So we're

404
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trying to figure out how much of the

405
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fields we can lose, how much parking we

406
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can lose, where we can relocate it, and

407
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and how we're going to get through there

408
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um with a trail.

409
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» That sounds like a challenge. Yeah, it's

410
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it's we're going to lose somewhere.

411
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That's for sure.

412
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» Yeah.

413
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Lose somewhere and gain elsewhere. So,

414
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» Yep.

415
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» Okay. Anything else?

416
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All right. Now, we'll go to Harington.

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» I don't have any updates on Harington. I

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think Ra was going to give an update and

419
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I don't see her on.

420
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» Well, if she comes on, we'll go back to

421
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her.

422
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» Okay.

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» I I've got one that's not on there. Um,

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and it's not for an extension,

425
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but Derby got a grant of over a half a

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million dollars, and it's going to be a

427
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little different. Uh, the grant was

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actually written by the economic

429
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development director, and his effort is

430
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to encourage development in downtown by

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lighting the greenway.

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So, they got over a half a million

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dollars and it includes security cameras

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and solar lighting.

435
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Um, there are in the stage of putting

436
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together an RFP for this. Uh, so we'll

437
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see. But, you know, I don't know if any

438
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other sections of the greenway have

439
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intentionally put lighting on their

440
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greenway and the implications that that

441
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will have, but that that will be

442
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something to watch and I don't have a

443
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time frame. Erin, did you hear anything

444
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more about this or Mark?

445
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» No.

446
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» Uh, no, I haven't. But uh, Jack, I think

447
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the short section Seymour has lights on

448
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it.

449
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» Oh, okay. I didn't I didn't realize.

450
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[clears throat]

451
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» Yeah, it runs from uh 67 down to the

452
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Ting uh Dam area. You know, it's real

453
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short, but very put lights on that.

454
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» I wonder if it gets any use. Yeah. See,

455
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in Derby, the idea is that they're

456
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building the all these new apartments

457
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downtown, and I think it giving them

458
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access to the uh the greenway after

459
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normal work hours will be an incentive.

460
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We'll we'll see, but it will cause

461
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[clears throat] some challenges as well.

462
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Uh I I thought the original grant was

463
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including new fencing, but it looks now

464
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it's not new fencing. It's just poles

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that will be metal instead of the wood

466
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that's there now. And the poles will

467
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only be for the cameras um and the

468
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lighting. So, we'll we'll see.

469
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» And and Jack sort of remember going back

470
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a number of years when uh that we were

471
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first, you know, looking at redeveloping

472
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the south side of Main Street. There was

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a commitment on the on behalf of the of

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the city to provide a some kind of trail

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connection between the greenway over by

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the river to the uh Derby train station.

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was supposed to go more directly through

478
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the um through that development site as

479
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opposed to you know requiring people to

480
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sort of go down to O Sullivan's Island

481
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and sort of loop around and kind of a a

482
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roundabout way you know and that was

483
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always part of you know an agreement

484
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with the city to to do that as the

485
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redevelopment of the southside took

486
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place. So just going forward if you can

487
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keep that in the back of your mind and

488
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see if that actually can ever be done.

489
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» Yeah. I I don't even know who's in

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charge of the city. I tried to find out

491
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and all I got was that they're working

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on an RFP. You know, they've had the the

493
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grant was announced several months ago.

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So

495
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» Yeah,

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» It's not moving along very quickly. Uh

497
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» So we'll see what happens. But you know

498
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it is important as you said Mark the

499
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work on the the train stations all up

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and down the north are taking place now.

501
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So

502
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» The idea of that was to uh because you

503
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know one of our ideas when we were doing

504
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the main street Route 34 project was to

505
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build a section of trail along right

506
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along the road right adjacent. But, you

507
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know, the mayor uh you know, wanted on

508
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street parking instead. And so, but sort

509
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of the compromise was okay, on street

510
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parking would go back in, but the city

511
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would commit to try to build a more

512
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direct connection to the train station

513
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from the Derby Shelton Bridge uh point

514
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again just to make it a quicker, you

515
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know, quicker connection between Shelton

516
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and Derby.

517
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» Yeah. Well, we'll see what happens, but

518
00:20:33,679 --> 00:20:38,240
again, they they they got over a half a

519
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million dollars, so

520
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they've got money to play with, so we'll

521
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see what happens.

522
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» The the other consideration there, and

523
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I'm sure they're they're working on

524
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this, but I know at least for the

525
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sections that are on the flood control

526
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wall, um, you know, there's very limited

527
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things they can do and, you know, a

528
00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:58,400
limited depth that they can excavate to.

529
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So, you know, that that may be

530
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difficult.

531
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,880
They also have an issue that they're

532
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:07,840
dealing with been dragging on for three

533
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years now. Uh they have to do some major

534
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:14,240
work on the bridge that goes over the

535
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railroads uh on the Husatonic side. They

536
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:20,559
actually allocated the money three years

537
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ago and nothing has been happening.

538
00:21:20,559 --> 00:21:26,080
story I keep getting is that uh they're

539
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:28,799
not able to contact the railroad company

540
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:31,360
and you know the railroads have

541
00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:34,400
basically absolute control but uh they

542
00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:36,400
determined that they had an agreement

543
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,480
with the railroad when they built the

544
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,720
bridge

545
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:43,039
and they can't proceed to do a half

546
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:46,000
million dollars worth of work if that

547
00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:49,200
agreement isn't renewed because it

548
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:52,960
expired and no one knew. So, submissions

549
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:54,480
and derby. Uh, why don't we move on uh

550
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,159
to the funding submissions and

551
00:21:54,480 --> 00:22:01,159
opportunities? Who's going to talk about

552
00:21:56,159 --> 00:22:01,159
the Connecticut Deep Recreation Trails?

553
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,400
I don't know if Kim is on.

554
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:10,559
I don't see her. Um, so I think a bunch

555
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:14,000
of us are waiting to hear about uh

556
00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:17,280
awards for the last round of Rec Trails.

557
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:19,120
Um, from what I understand,

558
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,960
um,

559
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:23,280
there's the bond commission actually

560
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:26,559
authorized more funding than than DEP

561
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:29,520
had originally um, expected, so they had

562
00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:31,039
to go back and sort of re-examine

563
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,520
all of the applications that they

564
00:22:31,039 --> 00:22:36,799
received. Um, it's quite a while ago

565
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:38,080
now. Um, so

566
00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:40,080
you know, I was hoping to have an update

567
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:44,080
from Kim today and and sort of know when

568
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:45,760
we're gonna we're going to hear, but um

569
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,360
but I guess we'll just keep holding our

570
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,559
breaths.

571
00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:50,799
» Well, it's nice to hear there's more

572
00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:51,520
more money allocated anyway, so better

573
00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:53,550
chance.

574
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,860
» I guess it's a good problem to have, but

575
00:22:53,550 --> 00:22:55,120
[laughter]

576
00:22:54,860 --> 00:22:55,919
[clears throat]

577
00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:58,159
» Yep.

578
00:22:55,919 --> 00:22:59,520
» All right. How about the DOT microrant

579
00:22:58,159 --> 00:23:01,840
program?

580
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:05,679
» Hi everybody.

581
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:09,919
Uh quick update for you guys. Um year

582
00:23:05,679 --> 00:23:14,960
three so far, um we've awarded just a

583
00:23:09,919 --> 00:23:18,320
little over 600 and just about 650,000

584
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:21,520
of our 750,000 plus we had some change

585
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:24,720
left over from last year. Giving out 140

586
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:27,120
awards this year and we do have around

587
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,400
three. Um but we do have a limited

588
00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:31,679
amount of funding. So, we're going to be

589
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:33,200
giving out two awards per COG um for

590
00:23:31,679 --> 00:23:37,200
that and then that'll be it for this

591
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:39,760
year. Um no word yet on continued

592
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:42,159
funding next year, but hopefully we will

593
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,360
get another $750,000 to continue the

594
00:23:42,159 --> 00:23:45,120
program.

595
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:46,799
» And what's the maximum amount for any of

596
00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:48,159
the the individual grants?

597
00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:49,200
» Uh $5,000.

598
00:23:48,159 --> 00:23:49,840
» 5,000. Okay.

599
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,320
» Yep.

600
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:55,679
» Yeah.

601
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:57,360
» Okay. Any other funding uh reports?

602
00:23:55,679 --> 00:24:00,000
» I don't know. So, if anybody is

603
00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:02,159
interested in in our region at least, um

604
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,320
you can reach out to Taio who is on the

605
00:24:02,159 --> 00:24:06,960
call. Um Taio, I don't know if you have

606
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:09,120
any

607
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,520
anything to add.

608
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:13,840
» No. Um Chris has said it all. I just

609
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:16,880
want to say thank you to this committee

610
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:19,440
because um I did get a lot of um um

611
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,200
applications as a result of it. Um Aaron

612
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,520
talking about it at the last meeting and

613
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,919
which was good. Um

614
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:30,640
we I can proudly say that we've been

615
00:24:25,919 --> 00:24:33,279
able to award um grants to at least um

616
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:36,480
to all our municipalities at least two.

617
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:38,480
They've been two every municipality has

618
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,080
been covered under this program. We're

619
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,960
doing well. Um thank you to this

620
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,799
committee. We'll still keep receiving

621
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,799
applications

622
00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:49,039
um until there's funding available

623
00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:51,279
hopefully next year. So please keep

624
00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:53,440
those applications coming in. Thank you.

625
00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:56,320
Is the application available on on the

626
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,919
website?

627
00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:01,039
» I have a website.

628
00:24:57,919 --> 00:25:02,559
» Yes, it's on the CT website.

629
00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:04,559
» Which website?

630
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:07,279
» I can drop the link in the chat.

631
00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:10,080
» Okay. And if you go look in the chat,

632
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:14,400
James gave an update on the Ansonia

633
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:16,720
project. So, that's in the the notes.

634
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,919
Okay. Uh, well, we already mentioned it,

635
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,799
but how about an update on the

636
00:25:17,919 --> 00:25:23,279
Waterberry Summer Family Day, which was

637
00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:25,279
held on August 1st.

638
00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:27,520
» Yeah, we had a we had a booth out there

639
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:30,559
along with some other um organizations

640
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:33,840
around Waterberry. Um, I think it was

641
00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:35,840
aimed more at like school kids, but we

642
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,960
talked to a lot of parents about the

643
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,159
Greenway. There were probably a few

644
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,679
hundred people there. Um, a lot of

645
00:25:40,159 --> 00:25:44,480
excitement about the greenway. a lot of

646
00:25:41,679 --> 00:25:46,400
people we're we're so right in front of

647
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,120
the booth there where I'm standing and

648
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,720
and talking about something is the

649
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:52,240
greenway. So everybody that was actually

650
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,840
standing on the greenway when we're

651
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,640
talking to them and a lot of them didn't

652
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,799
realize that. So, it was it was really

653
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:01,279
cool to to talk to people about about

654
00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:03,520
the greenway and about the plans and see

655
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:05,679
that, you know, everybody really seemed

656
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:08,240
pretty excited about about the prospects

657
00:26:05,679 --> 00:26:09,919
and especially about Waterberry section

658
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,000
that's being designed now that, you

659
00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:15,200
know, you could get from downtown all

660
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:18,240
the way down to um to uh Platill Road on

661
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:22,000
the greenway. Um was really exciting to

662
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:24,400
people. So, uh, it was fun and, uh, you

663
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,400
know, we're we're always willing and and

664
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,240
able to come out to your communities to

665
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,720
do these sorts of events, too. So, if

666
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,960
you want to promote the greenway,

667
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,640
um, we have a lot of materials, uh, we

668
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,840
can come out and speak if if we're

669
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:41,039
available. Um, so keep that in mind if

670
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:43,760
if you guys are having any kind of, um,

671
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:45,039
public engagement fairs, um, anything

672
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,159
like that, you know, we're we're always

673
00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:46,799
happy to come out and talk to the

674
00:26:46,159 --> 00:26:48,640
public.

675
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:51,360
» Hey, hey, Erin, it's Judy. I just want

676
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,120
to add to that that that came about um

677
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:54,960
as part of a committee we have here in

678
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:57,679
Waterberry, the Friends of the Greenway,

679
00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:00,559
and they're very strong advocates of it

680
00:26:57,679 --> 00:27:02,880
and and how great of a resource it is.

681
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:04,480
So, I know they are very excited by the

682
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,159
turnout, and we definitely appreciate

683
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,760
you guys all turning out for it as well.

684
00:27:06,159 --> 00:27:10,320
It was a great day. A lot of people

685
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,640
turned up and we gave away backpacks to

686
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,480
some school kids and it ended up being a

687
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,799
really great day. I would encourage it

688
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,679
if you have Greenway that you want to

689
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:21,919
either refresh or introduce. It's it's a

690
00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:24,080
great way to to get people out and

691
00:27:21,919 --> 00:27:24,400
understand what they're all about,

692
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,000
» Right?

693
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,320
» It was a lot of fun. And there was free

694
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,360
ice cream. So,

695
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,120
if you guys have free ice cream,

696
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:35,258
» We needed that now.

697
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:35,258
» Well, we paid for it now. [laughter]

698
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,880
» How's the traffic on uh the the water

699
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:43,279
greenways now? I I didn't look at the

700
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,679
latest statistics from the Yukon census,

701
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:47,600
but how is the traffic on there?

702
00:27:45,679 --> 00:27:49,919
» Um, it's still not very busy and I

703
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,679
think, you know, I think it's sort of a

704
00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:53,679
short section and I think people are

705
00:27:51,679 --> 00:27:55,120
start it it has grown over the past

706
00:27:53,679 --> 00:27:56,960
couple years. So, you know, I think more

707
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:58,399
and more people are are realizing that

708
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,000
it's there and I think once that

709
00:27:58,399 --> 00:28:02,320
connection to downtown is made, I think

710
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,200
it's really going to really going to

711
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,720
bump up.

712
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,480
» There's some beautiful

713
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,159
» Too. I think Amazon going over there,

714
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,679
Aaron, too. I think it might make a

715
00:28:08,159 --> 00:28:11,760
difference for use at least people to

716
00:28:09,679 --> 00:28:12,640
enjoy the park over there.

717
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,679
» Yes.

718
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:18,240
» Yeah, it was well done. Very well done.

719
00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:20,720
That was one of our field trips.

720
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:24,360
» Okay, let's let's move on. Any other

721
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,360
business or news?

722
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,399
We did install a couple of plaques on on

723
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:35,120
the Derby Greenway. Uh we have a project

724
00:28:30,399 --> 00:28:37,679
in town for derby 350th and uh just

725
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:40,320
historic markers and two of them were

726
00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:44,080
installed on the uhatonic side of the

727
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:45,919
greenway. One with the um the mural that

728
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,360
was painted earlier this year and the

729
00:28:45,919 --> 00:28:50,720
other one was just the history of the

730
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,200
greenway itself. So,

731
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,720
» All right,

732
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,840
» Jack. I I know I've seen on Facebook

733
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,960
that I think you're leading um history

734
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,960
tours

735
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,679
» In in on the greenway.

736
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:05,279
» There's there's one going on right now

737
00:29:01,679 --> 00:29:07,600
uh this summer. The um Derby Historical

738
00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:11,760
Society and the Derby Neck Library have

739
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:14,720
organized a series of history talks. I I

740
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:17,760
did the first one and every Thursday,

741
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:20,320
even though this one is on Wednesday,

742
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:23,120
they have different speakers coming in

743
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:26,399
and talking about derby history while

744
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:29,039
people casually walk on the greenway.

745
00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:31,120
The problem they've had is uh most of

746
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:33,360
the days have either been too hot or too

747
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,360
rainy. So, I think there have only been

748
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:38,159
two hell so far, but the one today

749
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:41,360
should be fine. So, it's another great

750
00:29:38,159 --> 00:29:43,919
idea, great way to promote your uh, you

751
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:46,159
know, section of Greenway. I did one

752
00:29:43,919 --> 00:29:49,440
couple years ago and it was too hot. I

753
00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:51,679
had uh over 30 people

754
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,600
that came out. It was about 90 degrees.

755
00:29:51,679 --> 00:29:56,640
So, we started with 30. I think we ended

756
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,880
up by the time we got back with 15. So,

757
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,039
got to worry about the heat when you do

758
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,720
it. But, it's a great idea. I I would

759
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:05,039
think others might incorporate some of

760
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:08,559
the history of the town on a ward like

761
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:10,320
that. pretty easy to do.

762
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:12,720
» Okay. Who's taking over now for the

763
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:15,025
Kenny Town Dam project?

764
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,159
» I guess that will be me. Um, so

765
00:30:15,025 --> 00:30:17,279
[clears throat]

766
00:30:16,159 --> 00:30:19,600
we've been talking a little bit about

767
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:22,880
this over the past several meetings,

768
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:25,120
several years. Um, but NBC is is leading

769
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:28,399
an effort to remove the Kennytown Dam.

770
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:31,360
Um, I have uh Paul Woodworth is is on

771
00:30:28,399 --> 00:30:35,360
the line. Um, he's uh he's with Save the

772
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:37,200
Sound. I'll let Paul introduce himself.

773
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,480
Hey, good morning everybody. I'm Paul

774
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,960
Woodworth, senior director of the

775
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:44,799
ecological restoration team at Save the

776
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:46,799
Sound and uh our our project manager for

777
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:50,399
uh working closely with Aaron on the

778
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:51,919
Kenny Town Cam Removal Project.

779
00:30:50,399 --> 00:30:53,360
So, we've talked a little bit about

780
00:30:51,919 --> 00:30:54,640
this, but I think we're going to Paul

781
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,240
and I are going to go through some some

782
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,159
of the background and and why we're

783
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,799
doing this project and what the project

784
00:30:58,159 --> 00:31:02,320
looks like. Um and then sort of the more

785
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:05,840
exciting part of this project for this

786
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:08,640
group is the you know the opportunities

787
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,640
it's it's presenting for continuing the

788
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,480
the Nagatuck River Greenway through you

789
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,919
know basically from downtown Ansonia to

790
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:19,520
downtown Seymour. Um so we'll we have

791
00:31:15,919 --> 00:31:23,039
Stimson um who's a landscape architect

792
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:25,039
consultant on the line as well that will

793
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:26,960
take over uh toward the end of this

794
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:29,679
presentation and talk about those

795
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:32,880
opportunities and and present some some

796
00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:35,520
concept plans as well. So uh we'll we'll

797
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:38,240
start it off here about you know talking

798
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,919
about the background of of Kennytown Dam

799
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,120
and the Ngatuck River. And I know a lot

800
00:31:39,919 --> 00:31:42,559
of you know a lot of this so I'll go

801
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,480
I'll go kind of quickly through the the

802
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:46,880
history but Nagatuck River is the

803
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,720
largest tributary of the Husatonic. Um

804
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,399
before European settlement migratory

805
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,640
fish had free passage from Long Island

806
00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:54,480
Sound through the Husatonic River to

807
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,279
miles of habitat in the Ngatuck and its

808
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,120
tributaries. Um, and you can see, you

809
00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:03,600
know, evidence of that on the town of

810
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:05,760
Seymour Town Seal, um, where, you know,

811
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,840
from what I understand is is a really

812
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,880
important fishing place was right in

813
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,880
downtown where where Tinu Dam is now.

814
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,360
Um, but it just sort of hints at, you

815
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,200
know, the bounty of fish that that, you

816
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,200
know, were were in this river uh,

817
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,200
historically.

818
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,480
Um but the steep grade of the Nagatuck

819
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:27,519
and its tributaries provided really an

820
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:30,720
ideal source of of power for for early

821
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:32,559
sawmills and and grist mills. And then

822
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,519
later the river was damned extensively

823
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:37,360
to produce um produce tech textiles,

824
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:40,320
copper, brass and other industrial

825
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:44,240
products. Um really drove the economy of

826
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:45,919
the valley for for nearly two centuries.

827
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,399
But all that industry took a toll on the

828
00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:50,880
river. All of you have heard stories or

829
00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:53,120
may have seen seen the river at at its

830
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:56,960
worst. Um it really became one of the

831
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,799
most polluted rivers in the country. Um

832
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:02,399
it actually caught fire several times.

833
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:04,880
Uh this this example was from 1943, but

834
00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:08,399
we found other historic uh mentions of

835
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:10,159
fires on the river um from all of that

836
00:33:08,399 --> 00:33:13,519
that industrial waste that that was

837
00:33:10,159 --> 00:33:14,960
being dumped into the river.

838
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:18,080
But we've really come a long way since

839
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,000
then. water quality has improved uh

840
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,840
thanks to environmental regulations, the

841
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,360
decline of some of those industries. Uh

842
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:26,960
the Nagto River has made a remarkable

843
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:29,440
comeback. Um fish, birds, uh wildlife

844
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,960
have have returned and so have people.

845
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,799
Um and communities are really starting

846
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,480
to embrace the river and I think, you

847
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:36,720
know, the Nagto River Greenway is really

848
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,880
a great example of of all the

849
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,480
communities sort of embracing the river

850
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,080
once again after, you know, turning

851
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,679
turning their backs on it for so long

852
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:48,960
because it was in such a bad state.

853
00:33:45,679 --> 00:33:50,399
So in the 1990s uh the state recognized

854
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,720
the improvements that had been made on

855
00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:55,279
the river and they started implementing

856
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,760
a plan to restore the Ngatuck River and

857
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:59,919
and and remove barriers to fish that

858
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,919
included move removing and bypassing

859
00:33:59,919 --> 00:34:04,480
dams all along the Ngatuck and on

860
00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:07,039
tributaries. Uh some of the more notable

861
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:10,480
examples on the screen here are the

862
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:12,079
Chase Brass Dam, the Anaconda Dam, um

863
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,399
and the Freight Street Dam, all in

864
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:16,560
Waterberry that were removed in the '9s.

865
00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:20,639
The Plats Mill Dam and Unit City Dam in

866
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:23,599
Ngatuck also removed in the '9s. Um the

867
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:27,280
Tinu Dam bypass was opened in 2014 in

868
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:29,520
downtown Seymour and also in the '9s, a

869
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:33,359
fish ladder was installed at Kennytown

870
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:35,119
Dam. Uh but now we know that that fish

871
00:34:33,359 --> 00:34:38,240
ladder was never really working very

872
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:40,320
well, has completely stopped working um

873
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:42,879
and was really pres preventing fish from

874
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:45,879
even reaching any of that restored

875
00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:45,879
habitat.

876
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:51,919
So a little background about Kenny Town

877
00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:54,000
Dam. It was built in the 1840s in

878
00:34:51,919 --> 00:34:55,679
Seymour to divert water into a series of

879
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,760
canals that delivered it all the way

880
00:34:55,679 --> 00:35:01,119
into downtown Ansonia where it powered

881
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:03,040
factories. Uh you can see the canal um

882
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:06,320
to the right of the screen on the right

883
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:08,160
hand side of the train tracks. Um

884
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,800
upstream of the dam is what we call

885
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:13,359
Kenny Town impoundment. Um and you can

886
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,200
see the the newer powerhouse uh to the

887
00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:17,359
left along with the fish ladder that

888
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,119
that empties right right below the

889
00:35:17,359 --> 00:35:22,880
powerhouse.

890
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:25,119
Um, so

891
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:30,400
there was a powerhouse built in Ansonia

892
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:32,000
in in the 1910s, we believe, um, that

893
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,920
really started the hydroelectric power

894
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,320
generation at the site. Um, in the

895
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:39,359
1980s, the the powerhouse on the screen

896
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,280
here was built um, in Seymour uh, to

897
00:35:39,359 --> 00:35:43,760
produce hydroelectric hydroelectric

898
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:46,000
power. At that time they started feeding

899
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,240
power into the grid and because of that

900
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,880
they had to get licensed by the Federal

901
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:53,680
Energy Regulatory Commission or FK. Uh

902
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:56,480
as a small hydro facility, FK issued it

903
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:59,359
a permit exemption in 1983.

904
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,400
Um exemption is sort of a misnomer. It

905
00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:02,480
doesn't mean that it's exempt from

906
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,960
licensing. It's sort of a mini license.

907
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,960
Um but there are a bunch of um

908
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,079
requirements that that have to be met in

909
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:13,359
order to uh to keep that that um that

910
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:15,119
exemption uh active. So they have to

911
00:36:13,359 --> 00:36:16,720
operate the powerhouses to generate

912
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:20,079
electricity. They have to maintain the

913
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:21,920
facility and when called upon um by FK

914
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:23,520
they had to provide fish passage at the

915
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:27,079
site which is why the fish ladder was

916
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,079
built in the 1990s.

917
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,920
So, we first learned that the fish

918
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,359
ladder was not working from Kevin Zach,

919
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,560
who I don't think is on the call now,

920
00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:41,520
but is a member of this group. Um, Kevin

921
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:43,599
is a local environmentalist. He lives

922
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,040
right near the Ngatuck River and is

923
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:47,520
really passionate about the river. And

924
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:50,400
he'd noticed that migratory fish um

925
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:52,079
existed below the dam and had never seen

926
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,240
them above the dam even after the fish

927
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:56,160
ladder was was constructed. So, he spent

928
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:58,000
years documenting schools of fish below

929
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,400
the dam, dead and dying fish at the base

930
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,640
of the dam. He made really moving videos

931
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,359
that you can see on YouTube um and on

932
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,920
our website. And he shared his concerns

933
00:37:05,359 --> 00:37:11,520
widely to environmental groups like Save

934
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,880
the Sound and to NBC staff um and also

935
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,599
to several of our chief elected

936
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:19,280
officials that are that sit on our our

937
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:22,400
NBC board. Um, and I think because of

938
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:24,720
Kevin's advocacy and and his passion

939
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:27,920
about this, a lot of our CEOs got really

940
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:31,599
passionate about it and they made it a

941
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:33,359
made it a a priority of our of Envy Cog

942
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:34,880
to to do something about this and to

943
00:37:33,359 --> 00:37:38,640
look into it and figure out exactly what

944
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:40,560
was going on. So, in 2018, we started

945
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:45,320
working with Kevin and with Save the

946
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,320
Sound to investigate the issue.

947
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,079
Um, and I'll turn it over to Paul here

948
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:51,760
to to talk about about this slide and,

949
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:55,200
you know, what we found about the ladder

950
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,400
itself and and why it wasn't working.

951
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,760
» So, the [clears throat] ladder was

952
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,599
designed at the with the

953
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,680
state-of-the-art technology at the time.

954
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:05,599
Uh, was actually modeled after other

955
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:08,079
ladders uh built up north um and and in

956
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:09,920
some cases for different fish. Um, but

957
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:11,599
this hairpin turn you see here is one of

958
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,839
the structural deficiencies of it that

959
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:15,839
was a a major issue in deterring lots of

960
00:38:13,839 --> 00:38:17,920
fish passage. Um but the other thing it

961
00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:19,920
was meant to run at its best conditions

962
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,000
when hydroele electricity was being

963
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,880
generated and once the units started to

964
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,640
go offline that redirected the flow of

965
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,320
water in different areas and created

966
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,280
more distraction flow and less

967
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,480
attraction flow and so after we analyzed

968
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,640
a lot of the records that have been

969
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,480
collected by deep over about a two

970
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,400
decade period

971
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,480
we found that there was a really poulry

972
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,480
passage uh these are video records that

973
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,119
we were able to sort of uh distill down

974
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,280
into into spreadsheets eats and found

975
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:48,640
that it was like an average of 12 fish a

976
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,359
year or something like that. So really

977
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:54,160
pathetic passage. Uh and once once the

978
00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:57,440
the dam went off power um it kind of

979
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:59,200
shut it down to to nearly zero. So um

980
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,359
without generating any power, this dam

981
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,200
was just basically sitting there uh no

982
00:39:01,359 --> 00:39:04,960
longer serving any benefit to society

983
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,440
and and that's when we really started to

984
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:10,160
amp up the effort to um to pursue

985
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,480
removal.

986
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:15,119
And uh Erin, do you want to jump to the

987
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,640
next slide? and um and cover that or do

988
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:18,079
you want me to?

989
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,520
» No, I could I could speak to this one

990
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:22,880
and then I'll throw it back to you in a

991
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:27,440
minute. Um so, you know, we work to save

992
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:30,800
the sound and Kevin um and really try to

993
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:33,599
tried to explain to FK and to the the

994
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,040
fish and wildlife agencies that, you

995
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:38,320
know, fish passage was not happening

996
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,920
here. So, we really got got into this

997
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,640
project in the beginning trying to force

998
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:46,160
the owners at the time who initially was

999
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:48,720
NL um and then Hydroland

1000
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:52,320
um really trying to get them to comply

1001
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:54,480
with their with their license and to to

1002
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:58,000
facilitate fish passage, real meaningful

1003
00:39:54,480 --> 00:40:00,160
fish passage at the site. Um so, you

1004
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,079
know, we began petitioning FK. We were

1005
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:06,440
very active on a on a on a docket that

1006
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:06,440
FK has. Um,

1007
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:13,760
and you know what we basically came to

1008
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:16,079
realize was that uh ENL had no intention

1009
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,400
on on fixing the fish passage issue and

1010
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:21,599
then Hydroland who the the project was

1011
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:26,160
sold to in in 2019 um also did not have

1012
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:28,000
have any intent to do anything. Um

1013
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:31,119
but we also started to learn about all

1014
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:34,320
of these other downsides to the dam. Um,

1015
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:36,720
it was no longer operational. Um, the

1016
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:39,200
first the the older powerhouse went

1017
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:41,760
offline in 2013. The new powerhouse went

1018
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,359
offline in 20120. The facility is in

1019
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,960
really poor condition. It's no longer

1020
00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:47,920
commercially viable as a hydro

1021
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:50,480
generator. Uh, the owner was effectively

1022
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,680
abandoning it. Um, and indicated to FK

1023
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,200
that they did not have the ability to

1024
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,800
make even minor repairs. Um, the

1025
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,359
facility was just continuing to fall

1026
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,520
further and further into disrepair. And

1027
00:40:59,359 --> 00:41:03,200
despite providing no benefit, Kenny Town

1028
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,040
Dam was continuing to cause huge

1029
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,760
negative impacts beyond blocking fish

1030
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:10,240
passage. Um it was increasing flood

1031
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,960
risk. It was negatively impacting water

1032
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:15,200
quality. Um it really became clear to us

1033
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,640
that and to our partners that dam

1034
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,839
removal was really the only way to

1035
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,560
permanently address all of those

1036
00:41:17,839 --> 00:41:22,480
negative impacts. Um and at the same

1037
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:26,240
time, Hydroland was actually shopping it

1038
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,760
around to other hydro providers. Um and

1039
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,440
there were no takers. I think everybody

1040
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,520
saw that, you know, there was no way to

1041
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,160
generate electricity here in a in an

1042
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:37,160
economically viable way.

1043
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,160
Um,

1044
00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:41,440
so

1045
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,200
with all those negatives, you know,

1046
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,119
removing the dam is going to fix a lot

1047
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,880
of them and and provide a lot of

1048
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:49,599
benefit. Paul,

1049
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,800
» Yeah. So, [clears throat] one of the one

1050
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:52,640
of the big selling points for this

1051
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,119
project and and attractive points for

1052
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,880
this for for save the sound is that a

1053
00:41:55,119 --> 00:42:00,160
removal of this would restore about 30

1054
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:02,800
miles or access to about 30 miles of

1055
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:05,280
river habitat for American shad ale wife

1056
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,520
and blue back herring and deep had done

1057
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,359
their own analysis. deep fisheries. Um

1058
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:12,880
once they realized the dam was no longer

1059
00:42:09,359 --> 00:42:15,040
viable, uh they updated their um their

1060
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,720
plan to restore diademous fish is to

1061
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,319
migratory fish to the Nagatuk River

1062
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:20,774
water. So they basically concluded with

1063
00:42:18,319 --> 00:42:21,920
removal as the best option. They

1064
00:42:20,774 --> 00:42:23,920
[clears throat] used their own metrics

1065
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,079
for calculating what kind of population

1066
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,800
impacts that could have and judging by

1067
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:30,960
these miles and and uh acreage of of

1068
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,160
river access. They're anticipating a

1069
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,560
population. It could sustain a

1070
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:37,599
population about 20,000 American shad,

1071
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,800
140,000 uh river herring. So these are

1072
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:40,800
numbers that are kind of off the charts

1073
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,880
for dam removals in Connecticut. We are

1074
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,880
very damn dense and so when you remove

1075
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,640
one dam, you often provide access up to,

1076
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,800
you know, another mile or so, but 30

1077
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:51,599
miles is pretty substantial. And then

1078
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:54,640
another 30 or so miles for tributary

1079
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:56,800
habitat. So 70 70 70 or so miles for sea

1080
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,720
lamp and American eel which are able to

1081
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,280
to navigate up the steeper tribes that

1082
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:03,440
drain down into the Ngatuck. So uh and

1083
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,520
they estimated a population of about

1084
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:08,160
6,000 sea lampray. So like really big

1085
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:10,319
numbers for dam for a single project in

1086
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,400
Connecticut. And uh so that was a huge

1087
00:43:10,319 --> 00:43:15,440
selling point for us and and one of the

1088
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:17,520
reasons why we sought funding from Noah

1089
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:21,599
uh which provided our first uh sort of

1090
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:24,160
purse of of of funding at about 15 uh

1091
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:27,040
million or so. Uh some of which has been

1092
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,880
uh since uh sort of frozen by the Trump

1093
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,760
administration, but uh essentially is

1094
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,359
still uh is still supplying a lot of our

1095
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,160
uh design work, including some of that

1096
00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:38,720
work um uh that uh we're presenting

1097
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,319
today. So Aaron, you can move ahead. And

1098
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:41,839
so in addition to the fish passage,

1099
00:43:40,319 --> 00:43:44,400
there are a myriad of other

1100
00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:46,880
environmental benefits, capitalizing on

1101
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,200
the benefits of the upstream removals

1102
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:52,240
that uh Aaron had mentioned, the tank

1103
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:54,079
bypass, for example. Also reducing flood

1104
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:55,839
risk in the community that lives

1105
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:58,400
immediately upstream of the dam. This

1106
00:43:55,839 --> 00:44:00,800
would drop water surface elevations at a

1107
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:03,280
at normal flows and and uh for some of

1108
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:05,839
the more uh frequent and uh nuisance

1109
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,280
flood levels. It also helps to address

1110
00:44:05,839 --> 00:44:10,000
some of the health and safety concerns

1111
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:13,119
that have emerged with the uh with the

1112
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,520
abandoned um canal that's accumulated a

1113
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:17,280
lot of debris and contaminated sediment.

1114
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:20,160
Uh we're hoping to restore access to the

1115
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,160
Nagguk River with uh with footpaths and

1116
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,839
act utilizing some of the bridges that

1117
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,680
exist there now under the rail line to

1118
00:44:23,839 --> 00:44:28,000
get people out to the shores of it. And

1119
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:31,040
then of course we're trying to connect

1120
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,960
uh the greenway from Ansonia to Seymour.

1121
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,880
All of which we anticipate will improve

1122
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,480
sport fishing opportunities and restore

1123
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,720
natural sediment flows through the river

1124
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:42,079
valley uh which helps sustain our

1125
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:44,160
coastal areas as well. So um lots to be

1126
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:46,400
gained from from most dam removals and

1127
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:50,119
and even more to be gained from from

1128
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,119
this particular project.

1129
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:53,839
So because of all those benefits, you

1130
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:55,680
know, we really made a priority to to

1131
00:44:53,839 --> 00:44:58,560
try to do something about this and the

1132
00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:00,160
plan sort of aligned in in 2022

1133
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:03,359
when funding became available through

1134
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:07,520
Noah. that Paul just just mentioned and

1135
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:09,200
Envy Cog um spearheaded an effort to to

1136
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:12,720
put an application in with with Save the

1137
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:16,640
Sounds Assistance um for funding to

1138
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:18,480
design the dam removal. Um

1139
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,560
we had support from the dam owners at

1140
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,839
that point uh who realized, you know,

1141
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,040
there there was no, you know, it was not

1142
00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:24,800
e they weren't going to be able to find

1143
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,400
a buyer for it. So this was this is sort

1144
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,640
of their easy way out of this this

1145
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,480
problem that they had. Um, we had

1146
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:33,599
support from the governor, from from the

1147
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,760
federal delegation, from all of the the

1148
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:37,920
uh resource agencies,

1149
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,160
and we were fortunate enough to receive

1150
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:43,040
uh $15 million to begin the Candy Town

1151
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:46,560
Dam Removal Project. Just an overview of

1152
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:48,400
the project. Um, you know, the plan and

1153
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,440
and we have since uh acquired the

1154
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,880
facility through the Connecticut

1155
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:55,119
Brownfield Land Bank. um that initial

1156
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,599
funding was the you know was going to

1157
00:45:55,119 --> 00:46:00,560
fund all of the engineering design of

1158
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:02,400
the removal. Uh

1159
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,720
sort of an added complication to this

1160
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:07,200
project is that Seymour has two sewer

1161
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:10,400
siphons that are situated in sediment

1162
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:14,000
above the dam. Um and those have to be

1163
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:16,880
moved um before we can remove the dam.

1164
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:19,520
So as a separate project which is in

1165
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:22,319
itself a big complicated project uh we

1166
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:24,400
are NBCOG is taking that work on um with

1167
00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:26,079
some federal funding that we've received

1168
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,359
um to do we're doing that design right

1169
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:31,280
now. Um

1170
00:46:29,359 --> 00:46:32,960
there's a lot of impounded sediments

1171
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,640
we'll talk about a little bit about that

1172
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,200
uh in a minute that that have to be

1173
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:39,920
dealt with. We're going to decommission

1174
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:42,960
the dam through FK and ultimately remove

1175
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,960
it restore the river channel.

1176
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,560
all this time protect the railroad and

1177
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,680
route 8 which are adjacent to the

1178
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:52,560
empoundment um develop recreational

1179
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:54,160
access and extended the NRG trail and

1180
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,160
engage stakeholders and residents

1181
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:59,040
throughout. So that's what the project

1182
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:01,200
looks like.

1183
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,839
It's being funded through a bunch of

1184
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,599
different sources uh that initial $15

1185
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:08,400
million from Noah. We have funding

1186
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:11,040
through Connecticut Deep. Uh we have EPA

1187
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:14,319
funding in uh and and assistance in

1188
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:17,200
dealing with the sediments. Um DECD has

1189
00:47:14,319 --> 00:47:20,240
has provided funding. Uh for this group

1190
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:22,160
though, we we received $270,000

1191
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:25,599
um two years ago now through the Deep

1192
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:29,440
Wreck Trails program to design the trail

1193
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:31,920
as part of this design project. Um so

1194
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:35,440
total right now we have about $53

1195
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:37,760
million um committed to the project. As

1196
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:41,599
Paul alluded to, the federal government

1197
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:43,119
is is not releasing some of that Noah

1198
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:45,599
funding that that we were promised and

1199
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:47,280
that we have a contract for. So, you

1200
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:49,599
know, we likely won't receive some of

1201
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,599
that funding, but we are always working

1202
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:53,920
on, you know, trying to find new funding

1203
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:55,440
to backfill that and to to fund the rest

1204
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,720
of the project that we know is going to

1205
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:00,319
cost more than $53 million.

1206
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:02,800
Um

1207
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:05,280
our provisional timeline at this point

1208
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,920
um you know we are working through a

1209
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,599
sediment management plan right now. Um

1210
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,720
the design is continuing through this

1211
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:14,720
year. We're planning to hire a uh

1212
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:17,599
construction contractor early at at the

1213
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:20,240
60% design phase so that they can have

1214
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:21,760
some say in in some of the the details

1215
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:23,440
about how we're going to do the the dam

1216
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,079
removal.

1217
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:29,359
Um we're hoping to to finish the sewer

1218
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:31,920
siphon design this year. Um and then 27

1219
00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:34,000
and 28 sediment management probably

1220
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:38,240
construction starting on the the sewer

1221
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:40,880
project at least. Um and then hopefully

1222
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:43,119
if everything goes right possibly 2029

1223
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:46,119
we'll be enjoying a restored Nagatuck

1224
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:46,119
River.

1225
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:51,359
Um, and just for everybody to sort of

1226
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:53,359
get a understanding of of what the site

1227
00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:54,720
looks like right now and and some of the

1228
00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:57,200
some of the issues that we're dealing

1229
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:59,520
with that will lead to a condition where

1230
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,359
we'll be able to put a trail. Um, this

1231
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,440
is what the site looks like right now.

1232
00:49:01,359 --> 00:49:06,400
Um, at the center of the screen is

1233
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,599
Kennytown Dam. Uh, to the west of it is

1234
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,520
what we're calling Kennytown

1235
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:12,400
empoundment. That's the still water

1236
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:16,240
that's backed up behind the dam. Um, you

1237
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:18,319
can see um on

1238
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:20,480
Let's see if I can get a laser pointer

1239
00:49:18,319 --> 00:49:22,559
here. Um,

1240
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,000
» At one point we could see your mouse.

1241
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:24,880
» Oh, okay. Well, here's Can you see my

1242
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,240
laser point?

1243
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:29,599
» Yeah, I can see that. Yeah.

1244
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:31,760
» So, um, this is the entrance to the

1245
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:35,119
canal. The canal runs all the way down

1246
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:38,160
on on the east side of the the train

1247
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:40,079
tracks all the way into Cove Pond. Um,

1248
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,240
and then the canal actually continues.

1249
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:44,559
The the second powerhouse in Ansonia is

1250
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:47,599
is located here.

1251
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:50,640
Um you can see, you know, north of the

1252
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:54,480
dam, it's really constrained by Route 8

1253
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:55,839
and the railroad. Um south of the dam

1254
00:49:54,480 --> 00:50:00,559
there, you still have we still have a

1255
00:49:55,839 --> 00:50:01,920
railroad to deal with the canal. Um so,

1256
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:03,440
you know, because of all of these

1257
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,000
constraints, because this was all

1258
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:08,880
federally regulated property, this was

1259
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:11,680
always a big question mark on the NRG uh

1260
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:13,760
root map. Um,

1261
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:16,079
but because of what we're doing here,

1262
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,359
um, you know, there's there's really a

1263
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:19,280
lot of new opportunities that are

1264
00:50:17,359 --> 00:50:24,280
presenting themselves.

1265
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:24,280
Um, and I think it's important to

1266
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:31,119
sort of understand um,

1267
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,640
some a little bit about the sediment

1268
00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:34,000
management. Paul, I don't know if you

1269
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,520
want to run quickly through through the

1270
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,599
sediment management and and some of the

1271
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:40,640
concepts that that GI's come up with.

1272
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:42,400
And I think that will really inform what

1273
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,960
what uh Stimson will be speaking about

1274
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,800
in a minute.

1275
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,640
» Sure. I I'll do a really high level

1276
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:50,720
overview. I mean, we have we have many

1277
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:52,400
hundreds we have over nearly 800,000

1278
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:54,800
cubic yards of sediment to deal with

1279
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:58,000
here. Um

1280
00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:01,839
fortunately for us, 350,000 of that is

1281
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:04,000
surficial sand and gravel that is um not

1282
00:51:01,839 --> 00:51:06,160
in elevated in concentrations above

1283
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,680
background conditions. So, we have a

1284
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,640
little bit more freedom in how we can

1285
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:14,000
deal with that. But what lies below is

1286
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:16,640
another 300 300,000 cubic yards of

1287
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:19,599
sediment that is elevated in PCBs and

1288
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:22,640
copper um among others. And so, that's

1289
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:24,960
going to need to be excavated and uh and

1290
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:27,839
moved uh down into Cove Pond. So, it's a

1291
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,880
it's a very costly operation. Um so, in

1292
00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:30,960
addition to the infrastructure

1293
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,800
constraints, the sediment is the other

1294
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:36,000
sort of big complicating factor on this

1295
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,680
project. Um, and I I guess I can leave

1296
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,480
it at that. We're we're working through

1297
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:42,240
a very complicated or complex

1298
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,720
uh sediment management plan to to deal

1299
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:46,160
with those large volumes.

1300
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:48,000
» Fortunately for us, this has also been

1301
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:50,400
looped into the brownfield program uh

1302
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,720
through Envy Cog and and EPA has been

1303
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:55,599
the one leading the effort in assessing

1304
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:57,839
the sampling and assessing the sediment.

1305
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:59,200
uh so they've gone through uh an initial

1306
00:51:57,839 --> 00:52:00,640
round that identified and sort of

1307
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,200
initially quantified and then a

1308
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,800
supplemental round that helped us uh

1309
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,559
stratify it or delineate it more

1310
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,160
vertically so that we could identify

1311
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:10,800
layers that could be handled and managed

1312
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,480
differently. So that's um that's still

1313
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,200
going and now we actually are embarking

1314
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:17,760
I think in September early September on

1315
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,839
a on a what we what should be a third

1316
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:22,880
and hopefully final round of sampling

1317
00:52:19,839 --> 00:52:25,119
looking at uh toxicity assays. Uh so if

1318
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,200
we if we are uh proposing to release

1319
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:29,359
some of that surficial sediment, we're

1320
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:31,440
running toxicity tests to make sure that

1321
00:52:29,359 --> 00:52:33,920
there wouldn't be any adverse ecological

1322
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,680
impacts to uh ecological receptors

1323
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,160
downstream or like stream biota

1324
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,839
basically. So um so that's still

1325
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,359
underway. Aaron, do you want to add

1326
00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:42,559
anything to this

1327
00:52:41,359 --> 00:52:45,599
» Comment?

1328
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:47,760
No, I I you know I think

1329
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:49,680
you know a lot all of that sediment is

1330
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:52,079
going to have to be dealt with or or

1331
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:54,400
moved um or a lot of that the dirty

1332
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:56,640
sediment at least. Um so GI's come up

1333
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,960
with these concepts of of how that can

1334
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:01,280
be done. Um we know that the you know

1335
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:05,119
once the dam is gone the river is going

1336
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:07,280
to try to find its original course. Um,

1337
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:10,559
so there's going to be quite a bit of

1338
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:12,960
new land um made available on either

1339
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:17,000
side of of where that course ends up

1340
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,000
being. Um,

1341
00:53:19,359 --> 00:53:23,599
and the idea now is to move a lot of

1342
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,760
that dirty sediment into Cop, which has

1343
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:28,880
its own very dirty sediment, actually

1344
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:31,760
dirtier than uh what's what's upstream.

1345
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:33,520
Um, so Cop is is no longer going to be a

1346
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,760
pond in the long term. It's probably

1347
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,280
going to be full of of sediment from

1348
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,280
behind

1349
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,760
um

1350
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,200
behind Kenny Town Dam. If you want to

1351
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,720
talk a little bit more about that, Paul,

1352
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:47,200
but I think Simpson is going to talk

1353
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:50,960
about, you know, what what could be done

1354
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:52,960
with with a lot of this reclaimed land.

1355
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,960
» Yeah. Uh I just add that Copound was

1356
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,200
basically created by the canal system

1357
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,839
that feeds Ansonia. Uh so it's a

1358
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,359
man-made dam. Uh it's been I've been

1359
00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:04,079
it's been appreciated by the neighbors

1360
00:54:01,359 --> 00:54:05,440
that live above it. um kind of not so

1361
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:07,760
appreciated by the neighbors that live

1362
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,280
on the downstream end of it. Uh but it

1363
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,880
does, as Aaron said, it's been a

1364
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,640
receptor of the finest grain sediment

1365
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,559
that's been floating down river for

1366
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,920
decades. And so it has the highest

1367
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:18,240
contaminant levels of all the

1368
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:20,880
contaminants found in in our sediment.

1369
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:22,960
So we have a strong impetus to take it

1370
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,119
out of the aquatic setting basically by

1371
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:27,680
dewatering it and ultimately capping it

1372
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:29,680
with uh first sediment from behind town

1373
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:32,559
and then ultimately some sort of a clean

1374
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:35,200
cover uh clean fill on top of it so that

1375
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:38,440
this could be a usable space uh when

1376
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,440
we're done.

1377
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:42,400
And then I'll just set the stage for

1378
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:45,280
Stimson here. Like I said, we we

1379
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:47,839
received the Deep Breck Trails grant.

1380
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,680
Um, and the scope of that was to fully

1381
00:54:47,839 --> 00:54:52,640
design the Ngatuck River Greenway Trail

1382
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:54,319
on the Kennytown Dam property. Um,

1383
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:57,040
basically from the pump station on Derby

1384
00:54:54,319 --> 00:54:59,920
Derby Avenue in Seymour to the fourth to

1385
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:01,440
fourth street in Ansonia. Um, and also

1386
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:03,359
look at conceptual routing to connect

1387
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:06,800
the Nagatuck River Greenway sections to

1388
00:55:03,359 --> 00:55:09,680
the north and to the south. Um, and what

1389
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:12,640
we did was wrap up the wreck trails

1390
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:14,880
scope into the overall dam removal

1391
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,480
design scope so that, you know, we could

1392
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,079
take advantage of all of the work, all

1393
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,079
of the data collection that was already

1394
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:21,599
being done and so that, you know, the

1395
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:23,119
designers on the trail and the designers

1396
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:25,280
on the dam removal were working, you

1397
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:26,800
know, handinand on, you know, what this

1398
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:31,359
property is going to look like after the

1399
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:36,359
dam is removed. Um, so I will stop

1400
00:55:31,359 --> 00:55:36,359
sharing there. Um, and I'll introduce

1401
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:42,240
Well, let me stop sharing. Okay.

1402
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:45,680
And I'll introduce

1403
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:51,160
I saw Glenn Valentine, Emily Hayes, and

1404
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:51,160
Michael Linquist from Stimson. Um,

1405
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,440
who are the designers, the the

1406
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:58,440
subconsultants um designing the the

1407
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,440
trail.

1408
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:05,040
» Okay. Thanks, Aaron. Um, so you just got

1409
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:07,920
a lot of good background information

1410
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,920
that we've been dealing with um and sort

1411
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:13,200
of analyzing and thinking about for the

1412
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:18,000
past six months as we've thought about

1413
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:21,040
different options for how to um engage

1414
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:24,319
the realigned river and where the new

1415
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:26,720
trail alignment might go. And this

1416
00:56:24,319 --> 00:56:28,400
morning we're going to talk about four

1417
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:30,880
different trail alignments or three

1418
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,960
really three. one is a with a subset

1419
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,720
that Emily's going to share with you in

1420
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:37,359
just a minute and then we're going to

1421
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:41,280
share some very preliminary

1422
00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:45,280
um ideas about what the final shape of

1423
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:47,280
of Copond might look like and um those

1424
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,960
are really just thought exercises about

1425
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:52,480
some of the opportunities that we might

1426
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:54,880
have just through shaping the land um

1427
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:57,200
that goes of all that sediment that's

1428
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,280
going to go into Copan that Paul was

1429
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,440
talking about just a few minutes ago.

1430
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:04,079
But I think we'll just jump right in and

1431
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:07,440
talk about uh the different alignments

1432
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:11,680
that we're looking at for the uh for the

1433
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:13,920
trail along the the uh embankments and

1434
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:17,520
in various relationships really you'll

1435
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:18,640
see to the realigned river.

1436
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,079
» Go ahead Emily.

1437
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,680
» Great. Perfect. Can you all see my

1438
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:24,880
screen?

1439
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:26,880
» Okay, perfect. Great. Um yeah, great

1440
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,319
introduction that really set us up to

1441
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,680
describe what we're going to get into

1442
00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:33,040
today. Um yeah, big overview, but it's

1443
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,680
important for us to consider the

1444
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:37,520
industrial history of the river, where

1445
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,400
the river fits into the larger water

1446
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:43,520
story of the region. um the existing

1447
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:45,920
ecologies and access um by community

1448
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,920
members to the river and the kind of

1449
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,480
barriers that exist both phys physically

1450
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,920
and visually um which have led to some

1451
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,920
design objectives that have kind of

1452
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,920
guided us which is to celebrate the

1453
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:58,240
industrial heritage of the site to

1454
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:00,240
improve water quality and management as

1455
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:02,480
best as we can to foster a vibrant

1456
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,480
living river and ultimately you know to

1457
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,400
connect to the existing energy trail and

1458
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,640
imagine what Cop will look like um

1459
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:11,119
moving forward.

1460
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:13,200
So, right, this is a large site. We have

1461
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:15,359
Copond down here and then the trail.

1462
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,280
We're kind of breaking it up into two

1463
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:18,880
sections here. So, I'll talk about the

1464
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:22,480
trail. Glenn's going to talk more about

1465
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:24,720
Copond. Um, but we're connecting from

1466
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,640
North uh Fourth Street, which is down

1467
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:30,160
here, up to the existing bike path at

1468
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:32,160
Tinu Dam. Um, what I'm going to fly

1469
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:34,799
through is going to talk about basically

1470
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:37,839
right at the former Kenny Town Dam site

1471
00:58:34,799 --> 00:58:39,599
up to Seymour.

1472
00:58:37,839 --> 00:58:41,200
So it yeah there's a lot of pressure and

1473
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:44,319
there's a lot of complications in this

1474
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:46,880
but um the first option that we've come

1475
00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:49,520
up with is what we're calling the rail

1476
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:52,400
adjacent trail and it's we kind of move

1477
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:55,280
up towards Seymour from the dam. We

1478
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:57,280
would uh first not cross the river at

1479
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,520
the dam. This option would stay along

1480
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:02,160
the east side of the river and it would

1481
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:04,160
hug along the east side of the rail line

1482
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:06,400
and then ultimately it would tie into

1483
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:10,880
the sidewalk and the parking lot up at

1484
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:12,480
Tenu Dam and Seymour. Um, this would

1485
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,240
it's there are pros and cons to all of

1486
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,319
these. Um, it would be simple and

1487
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:18,559
consistent, but it would um have

1488
00:59:16,319 --> 00:59:21,040
obstructed river views and limited river

1489
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:22,480
access. It would tie into town

1490
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,640
infrastructure and parking, but there

1491
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,960
would be no Derby A connection on this

1492
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,799
side of the river. It might be the least

1493
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,520
technically difficult, but it also is

1494
00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:33,599
the least flexible. Um,

1495
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:36,000
» Emily, I would just go back just for a

1496
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:37,760
second. It was hard for me to I just

1497
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,960
want to make sure people on the call

1498
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,040
because there's so many people probably

1499
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:43,359
on a lot of different kind of devices.

1500
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:45,839
Can you just point out where the trail

1501
00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:48,000
what's the trail is that light green

1502
00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:49,280
line along the north side? Just you can

1503
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,040
point that out. I don't know if people

1504
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,480
can see your

1505
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,559
» Uh mouse or not.

1506
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,680
» Right. And this is such a big site. Um

1507
00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:57,920
you know, we're trying to fit a lot of

1508
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,440
information on on this graphic, but the

1509
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,680
trail here would would start down here

1510
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,520
and it would just continue along here

1511
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:07,440
kind of nestled between the existing

1512
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:09,200
rail line and the community um up above.

1513
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,599
So, it's a pretty tight area and there's

1514
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:13,680
a lot of grade change between where the

1515
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:16,160
rail line is now and kind of where the

1516
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:18,480
community is up here. which would mean

1517
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:20,079
that if we look at it in in section it's

1518
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,960
a pretty tight um

1519
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:24,960
» Sorry sorry could we go back one more

1520
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,880
just for a second yeah in this scheme

1521
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:29,280
you know there the only real river

1522
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:31,200
access is under the train tracks if you

1523
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:34,160
could just point out there's currently

1524
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:36,640
an underpass under the rails so so when

1525
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:39,200
you know Emily mentioned limited river

1526
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:42,960
access it really is kind of only that

1527
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:45,599
point um so that's a real you know uh

1528
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:48,599
downside to this particular scheme

1529
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:48,599
Yeah.

1530
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:54,319
Um, looking at it in section, I think we

1531
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:57,200
can better feel what it would what it

1532
01:00:54,319 --> 01:00:59,119
would be like. Uh, this would assume

1533
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:02,559
this obviously is a really long stretch

1534
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:05,599
and the the conditions would vary a

1535
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:08,240
little bit, but typically it would be a

1536
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:10,079
ideally a 25 ft offset from the center

1537
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:12,799
line of the rail, which would that would

1538
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:14,160
begin our trail. Um, it would feel

1539
01:01:12,799 --> 01:01:16,400
pretty tight. there would be a fence

1540
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:18,640
there. Uh we've got a pretty steep slope

1541
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:21,040
that goes up towards the the

1542
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,720
neighborhood and then

1543
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:25,040
a decent amount of flood plane here

1544
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:27,680
before the actual river. So it would

1545
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:31,280
feel a little bit disconnected. Um and

1546
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:33,200
it would be a little a little tight. Um

1547
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,400
but this would be one option that we

1548
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:37,400
thought was worth just kind of

1549
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,400
considering.

1550
01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:43,440
Our second option would continue along

1551
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:46,640
the east side, but it would dip to the

1552
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:52,000
west side of the rail. So, this would

1553
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:53,839
cross um at the former Kenny Town um dam

1554
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,319
site. It would kind of sneak under the

1555
01:01:53,839 --> 01:01:59,200
the bridge that already exists there.

1556
01:01:56,319 --> 01:02:02,880
And this would bring us out to um the

1557
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:04,799
west side of the rail. It would not

1558
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:07,040
cross at the dam, but it would hug along

1559
01:02:04,799 --> 01:02:10,160
this side. um it would take advantage of

1560
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:12,160
some of the existing topography

1561
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:16,160
um while dipping into the flood plane.

1562
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:19,040
There'd be a kind of um

1563
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:20,400
an elevated or an out of the flood plane

1564
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:23,520
part of the trail and then some

1565
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:25,280
opportunities for some um more informal

1566
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:27,599
and secondary circulation paths that

1567
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:30,240
would come into the flood plane. In this

1568
01:02:27,599 --> 01:02:33,200
option, we're proposing uh the potential

1569
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:35,200
for a crossing at a new build bridge, a

1570
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:37,839
crossing at Derby AB that would bring us

1571
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:40,160
into the street traffic of of Derby AB

1572
01:02:37,839 --> 01:02:43,520
in Seymour. Um

1573
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:44,880
and this uh yeah would take advantage of

1574
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,400
some of the repairarian edge, but it

1575
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:49,599
would still be a negotiation with the

1576
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:52,640
rail line. Um, and it would avoid kind

1577
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:55,440
of what it would be like to cross at the

1578
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:57,920
old dam, but it also means that it would

1579
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:00,400
add another level of complexity in the

1580
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,920
introduction of a new build bridge. Um,

1581
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,440
something else I think maybe to consider

1582
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,960
is that there might be limited

1583
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:08,480
construction and emergency vehicle

1584
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:11,440
access along this path if there's no way

1585
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:13,760
to cross the rail line. Um, basically

1586
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:15,039
once we are on one side of the rail line

1587
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,240
at this point, that's kind of where we

1588
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:18,960
have to stay. there's not going to

1589
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:21,760
really be a chance to cross over it um

1590
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:23,599
once once we kind of start moving along.

1591
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:26,559
» Emily, I'll I'll just add that, you

1592
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:28,799
know, in this this alignment of the

1593
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:31,760
trail, we're imagining going right down

1594
01:03:28,799 --> 01:03:34,880
Derby AB. Um so there'd be quite a bit

1595
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:37,119
of um uh design work needed to make sure

1596
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:40,240
there's room along that roadway with all

1597
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:42,319
the adjacent buildings and businesses um

1598
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:44,079
through that community. But it does

1599
01:03:42,319 --> 01:03:46,400
provide the opportunity for a lot of

1600
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:50,359
direct engagement with the community

1601
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:50,359
which we are excited about.

1602
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:55,520
» Yeah. And and I think looking at it in

1603
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:57,680
section it it definitely feels a little

1604
01:03:55,520 --> 01:04:01,359
bit less claustrophobic than the first

1605
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:03,039
option. Um it's still potentially quite

1606
01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:04,799
close to the rail, but it would give us

1607
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:07,200
a bit more breathing room. there's a a

1608
01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:09,359
potential to consider what uh this kind

1609
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:12,400
of embankment might look like and what

1610
01:04:09,359 --> 01:04:14,160
how as as the river realignment

1611
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,480
continues what kind of stabilization

1612
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:17,760
needs to happen to make that possible

1613
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,599
but there's also we can see

1614
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:22,240
opportunities to come down actually into

1615
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:23,839
the flood plane um this would be dynamic

1616
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:26,079
it would it would mean that in flood

1617
01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:28,400
events this might be covered but that is

1618
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:31,440
something that you know I think would

1619
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,880
pose its own set of complications but is

1620
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:36,559
exciting and is dynamic it's an

1621
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:39,680
opportunity to invite people down and to

1622
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:42,799
I don't know educate about what flooding

1623
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:45,920
can be, what riparian edges are. Um it's

1624
01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:47,440
an exciting opportunity I think and um

1625
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,960
it would it would be a way to kind of

1626
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:52,119
take advantage of all of this space that

1627
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,119
we have.

1628
01:04:52,319 --> 01:04:56,960
And then our third option, we're kind of

1629
01:04:54,000 --> 01:05:00,000
breaking into a part A and a part B. For

1630
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:01,920
the first um section, it's the same and

1631
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:06,079
then it changes as we get over into

1632
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:09,119
Derby A. this uh option would cross at

1633
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:11,680
the former dam. We thought that'd be an

1634
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:13,760
exciting way to kind of celebrate the

1635
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:15,599
history of the dam there. It's such a

1636
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,839
big project to remove and it's kind of

1637
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:19,359
like instead of fully erasing it. Is

1638
01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:21,520
there a way to kind of bring people out

1639
01:05:19,359 --> 01:05:24,079
and to experience kind of what it what

1640
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:26,400
the dam was like, where it was, what the

1641
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:28,799
views were, um and the change that it's

1642
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:31,039
had as it's been removed. So this would

1643
01:05:28,799 --> 01:05:34,160
cross at the former dam and this option

1644
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:36,079
would kind of hug along Route 8 on the

1645
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:38,559
east side. And [snorts] similar to the

1646
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:40,720
previous one, it would like be a kind of

1647
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:42,880
a formal trail above the flood plane,

1648
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:45,599
but there'd be opportunities to weave in

1649
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:49,680
and bring down get water access um in a

1650
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:53,280
more informal way. And then uh so for

1651
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:56,000
our 3A option, we were just exploring

1652
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:58,640
what it would be like to instead of um

1653
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:01,839
like the previous option, tie into the

1654
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:04,000
street traffic of of Derby A, what it

1655
01:06:01,839 --> 01:06:07,680
would be like to continue to hug along

1656
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:09,200
the river's edge. Um which is, you know,

1657
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:11,200
an exciting option, obviously a

1658
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,720
complicated one. We know that there's a

1659
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,559
community center and a senior center

1660
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:19,280
over here. There's a cemetery. There's a

1661
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:22,880
a decent amount of kind of public facing

1662
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:25,680
properties on this um on this stretch

1663
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:27,440
that might be something that we could

1664
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:30,720
tie into and feels like a kind of

1665
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:33,119
natural way to to continue on this kind

1666
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:34,559
of public greenway trail. But it also

1667
01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:36,400
there's a lot of private properties and

1668
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:39,200
we don't really know is a complicated

1669
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:41,200
thing to to require easements for access

1670
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,799
to the river's edge. But um we thought

1671
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:45,680
it was worth kind of exploring and

1672
01:06:42,799 --> 01:06:48,799
putting out there um as a as an option

1673
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:51,280
and as a potential trail condition.

1674
01:06:48,799 --> 01:06:53,599
Um this would allow for more water

1675
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:55,440
access and unobstructed views. Um

1676
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:57,280
there's of course just the general risk

1677
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:59,520
and management of flood plane

1678
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,359
navigation. It would highlight the

1679
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,680
history of the dam and the historic

1680
01:07:01,359 --> 01:07:06,160
structures down here. Um but there's

1681
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:08,480
also obviously a complexity in what that

1682
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:12,240
process would be like. Um, and it does

1683
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:14,319
avoid the traffic of Derby of Derby A,

1684
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:19,599
but it also would require easements for

1685
01:07:14,319 --> 01:07:23,039
for getting out on on the river's edge.

1686
01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:25,359
Um, and then the 3B option would be

1687
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:27,119
instead of tying into keeping along that

1688
01:07:25,359 --> 01:07:29,200
edge to then just tie into the traffic

1689
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:31,520
like the previous option, which again

1690
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:34,000
would be a complicated thing considering

1691
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:35,280
that the off-ramp from Route 8 and this

1692
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,799
kind of speed, but I think it's

1693
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,640
something that the community members

1694
01:07:36,799 --> 01:07:40,799
here are interested in because it is

1695
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:42,400
such a high traffic, high volume um,

1696
01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:46,599
street. Something to kind of make that

1697
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:46,599
more accessible is is ideal.

1698
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,640
Um, this would feel not dissimilar from

1699
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:52,480
the previous option, but just along the

1700
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:54,559
other side, there's more space and

1701
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:56,960
buffer between Route 8 and the primary

1702
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:58,640
trail, but again, chances to come down

1703
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:01,520
in, potential for armoring and

1704
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:03,359
stabilization of that um embankment, and

1705
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:05,280
then opportunities to come in and

1706
01:08:03,359 --> 01:08:07,359
experience uh flood plane and

1707
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:10,000
riverfront.

1708
01:08:07,359 --> 01:08:11,359
» I I guess I would add, Emily, um here we

1709
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,680
don't have the complication of the train

1710
01:08:11,359 --> 01:08:16,080
to deal with. Obviously we have route 8

1711
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:18,799
vehicular traffic to deal with which is

1712
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:21,359
has its own set of challenges but uh we

1713
01:08:18,799 --> 01:08:23,839
don't have the the train and all the

1714
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:25,600
negotiation that will be required to get

1715
01:08:23,839 --> 01:08:28,600
permission from them.

1716
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,600
» Exactly.

1717
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:33,759
» So these are kind of all of them

1718
01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:35,359
overlaid and maybe as we begin our

1719
01:08:33,759 --> 01:08:36,640
discussion or answer any questions we

1720
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:38,080
can come back to this slide but these

1721
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:40,400
are they're just you know different

1722
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:43,279
versions of of how we can get from here

1723
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,279
to there.

1724
01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:46,960
Glenn, do you want to

1725
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:48,000
» Yeah,

1726
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,920
» Take it over.

1727
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:51,679
» Yeah, go ahead.

1728
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:54,960
» So, we're going to move to the second

1729
01:08:51,679 --> 01:08:58,000
part of our our study area, which is Cop

1730
01:08:54,960 --> 01:09:02,080
Pond. And that I'll just quickly say,

1731
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:03,839
you know, that green area. Uh well, this

1732
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,679
is this is too small that there's

1733
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:07,920
there's only one alignment we're really

1734
01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:11,759
considering for the bike trail along

1735
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:15,600
here and it's it's um up on essentially

1736
01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:17,839
the uh the dyke or the um embankment

1737
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,759
that's holding in Copan right now. So,

1738
01:09:17,839 --> 01:09:22,000
we're not going to talk too much about

1739
01:09:19,759 --> 01:09:24,080
that alignment. it shows up on on some

1740
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:26,319
of these preliminary sketches, but

1741
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:28,640
that's that's the the through line that

1742
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:33,040
we're considering and it's going to

1743
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:35,120
occupy um the canal to the west, which

1744
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:36,560
were shown in some of the images that

1745
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:39,120
Aaron was showing before. We're

1746
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:42,239
imagining that all being filled in uh

1747
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:44,880
that Copan will no longer have uh a

1748
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:47,279
running river through it that it will

1749
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:49,359
just be fed by storm water and that that

1750
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:52,400
canal will be the connecting part of the

1751
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:55,040
trail and then run along the dyke

1752
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:57,600
close to but sometimes parallel or up

1753
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:59,840
above the train tracks along Cop. So,

1754
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:03,280
we'll jump to a couple very uh

1755
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:06,800
preliminary sketches about what some of

1756
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:11,840
the opportunities are as we re-imagine

1757
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:14,560
Copond. Um, as mentioned, there's around

1758
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:16,080
300,000 cubic yards of material to go

1759
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:20,159
into

1760
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:22,080
uh Cop to manage the sediment. And the

1761
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:25,440
way GEI was initially looking at it,

1762
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:28,800
that would raise the level of the

1763
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:31,199
landform about 10 ft above the area

1764
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:34,640
about of the level of the existing water

1765
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:36,640
level now in Copond. So that's if you

1766
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:39,040
spread it out pretty evenly with gentle

1767
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:41,360
pitches around 3%. So we quickly looked

1768
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:43,679
at what are some of the opportunities

1769
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:45,840
that might come out of just how we shape

1770
01:10:43,679 --> 01:10:49,679
that land uh that we're going to be

1771
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:52,080
working with as we reimagine this space.

1772
01:10:49,679 --> 01:10:54,880
So um

1773
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:57,520
the um

1774
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:59,520
the this first this first idea here is

1775
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:02,000
really to create a series of terraces

1776
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:05,440
and consider the option of active

1777
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:07,440
recreation for the space. And I'll I'll

1778
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:09,600
say right at the beginning, we we

1779
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:11,360
haven't talked to uh adjacent

1780
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:14,159
communities about the programming and we

1781
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:16,800
realize there's a lot of requirements

1782
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:18,960
for managing a park, for paying for a

1783
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,800
park, for programming a park. But we

1784
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:23,199
just want to put it out there that one

1785
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,960
opportunity because we have so much fill

1786
01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:27,520
is to create these kind of level

1787
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:30,400
platforms which could contain future

1788
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:32,800
programming for a park. So, here we're

1789
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:35,520
talking about potentially two

1790
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:37,760
playfields, maybe soccer fields. We're

1791
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:41,120
thinking maybe there's a a public pool

1792
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:43,840
in the space and and maybe there's um

1793
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:45,520
kind of environmental playground or

1794
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:49,760
nature playground in this space and

1795
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:51,440
maybe there could be um picnic pavilions

1796
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:54,960
that could be rented around the

1797
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:57,600
periphery of of this space to really

1798
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:59,760
give it opportunities for active

1799
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,280
engagement, recreation from all

1800
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,440
different

1801
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:04,640
types of population, from the community.

1802
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:06,640
That's really what we are thinking

1803
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:09,600
about. And in this option, we're

1804
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:13,040
imagining a road would be part of this

1805
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:15,440
for people to get to the new park space

1806
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:17,920
for people to engage with the games

1807
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:20,480
being played on the fields. So it come

1808
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:23,920
in at North Fourth Street connecting

1809
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:27,199
into the city grid and runs through the

1810
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:30,800
space wrapping around to the north and

1811
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:32,960
uh servicing all of these new uh program

1812
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:35,920
items that we're talking about from you

1813
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:38,080
know playfields to swimming potentially.

1814
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:40,080
One other consideration which you saw in

1815
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:42,480
the diagram that Paul showed earlier is

1816
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:43,760
there is an intermittent stream which

1817
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:45,199
comes through the site. So we're

1818
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:47,120
thinking about how that could be part of

1819
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:49,040
the experience. Here we have it running

1820
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:52,080
along the north edge of the park along

1821
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:54,080
that entry drive and we really want that

1822
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:56,080
to be quite prominent and build some

1823
01:12:54,080 --> 01:13:00,159
constructed wetlands to help cleanse

1824
01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:02,800
that water before it makes it back to um

1825
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:05,440
the river itself. So this is this is our

1826
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:11,760
our first option and this would raise

1827
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:14,960
the level up um maybe about um 10 feet

1828
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:17,360
or or 15 ft above what the the level of

1829
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:20,960
the water is now. So similar kind of

1830
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:23,920
spreading out of the sediment but

1831
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:26,000
imagining it in just a different way as

1832
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:27,920
terraces. That image on the right is

1833
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:30,000
actually Danahe Park here in Cambridge,

1834
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:32,800
Massachusetts. That's a park that was

1835
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:34,480
built on landfill about 20 years ago.

1836
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,080
So, we were kind of inspired by that

1837
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:38,640
because it has a lot of active

1838
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:41,120
recreation, but it's very surrounded and

1839
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:44,880
embraced by trees which have grown up in

1840
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:47,679
the park since it was u built. Next

1841
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:49,840
option.

1842
01:13:47,679 --> 01:13:54,640
The next option we're calling the mound.

1843
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:56,640
And this you'll see has a more u passive

1844
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:59,360
recreational program. It's still pretty

1845
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:01,520
active in in terms of allowing people

1846
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:04,800
into the park. And in this option, we're

1847
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:07,840
imagining the sediment is brought into

1848
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:11,520
the center in one area and maybe it it

1849
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:14,159
comes up to height of maybe 30 ft above

1850
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:17,199
the existing level of Copond right now.

1851
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:19,840
So you get views up and over the bike

1852
01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:22,800
trail. You get views of the realigned

1853
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:24,800
river and surrounding kind of wetlands

1854
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:27,679
that we're imagining. You can see this

1855
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:30,719
scheme also has a loop road which comes

1856
01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:32,640
in and wraps around the base of this new

1857
01:14:30,719 --> 01:14:34,960
mound. We're imagining some kind of

1858
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:36,800
active program here. are showing a pool

1859
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:39,600
that could be a field or some other kind

1860
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:41,840
of active wreck, but really inviting the

1861
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:44,080
community into this space. And then

1862
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:46,960
access up to that 30- foot high mound

1863
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:48,960
would be via kind of spiraling pathway,

1864
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:52,159
which would take you gradually up to the

1865
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:54,080
top on an ADA path where you'd have an

1866
01:14:52,159 --> 01:14:56,320
overlook pavilion. And here you might

1867
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:58,560
have a couple other uh small overlook

1868
01:14:56,320 --> 01:15:00,640
pavilions as well.

1869
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:02,960
Here we've imagined the intermittent

1870
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:06,400
stream coming in running to the south

1871
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:09,520
instead of to the north and running down

1872
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:11,360
and going along the edge of the new bike

1873
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:14,239
trail through the space and really

1874
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:16,880
highlighting an area of constructed

1875
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:19,360
wetlands along that trail. So that your

1876
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:22,640
passage along the trail here would be

1877
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:25,760
educational and informed with uh ways of

1878
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:27,760
treating storm water through the site.

1879
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:29,760
The image in the upper right is Ferris

1880
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:32,080
Park up in Lawrence, Massachusetts.

1881
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:34,480
That's a park we built about 10 years

1882
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:37,440
ago. And that was built that has a

1883
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:40,640
central mound in the middle that gives

1884
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:43,199
um views to the surrounding river and

1885
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:46,640
historic uh buildings around the site.

1886
01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:49,440
That was built on a mound of slag which

1887
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:52,159
was left over from the uh foundry

1888
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:55,440
operations 100 years ago and then capped

1889
01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:56,800
with uh 2 ft of soil. So we we know

1890
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:58,640
that's going to be part of this program

1891
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,960
no matter what we do. A capping of this

1892
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:02,960
material as Paul mentioned this is going

1893
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:04,719
to have to be uh carefully managed. So

1894
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:06,800
we're we're looking to parks that that

1895
01:16:04,719 --> 01:16:09,440
do the same thing like Danahe or Ferris

1896
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:12,640
Park for inspiration.

1897
01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:15,840
And the third option is

1898
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:17,760
uh there it's progressively less active.

1899
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:19,360
So this is sort of the most passive

1900
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:21,360
approach that we're imagining and we're

1901
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:23,199
calling this one the islands. And here

1902
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:27,040
we're imagining that sentiment mounded

1903
01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:30,159
up into maybe 20 foot high kind of

1904
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:32,719
landforms throughout the space. Uh five

1905
01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:35,760
or six mounds that you would navigate

1906
01:16:32,719 --> 01:16:37,920
around in this reimagining of the space.

1907
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:40,560
And here that intermittent stream

1908
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:42,800
meanders between the new landforms to

1909
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:44,480
the north and then back south and to the

1910
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:47,120
north. And that really is the primary

1911
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:48,719
driver of program in this. And the

1912
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:51,360
program here is really just one of

1913
01:16:48,719 --> 01:16:54,480
trails. And we'd have a trail system

1914
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:56,239
that um takes you through this space and

1915
01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:58,640
up to the top of each one of these

1916
01:16:56,239 --> 01:17:01,199
mounds. You can see on the right kind of

1917
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:03,679
council ring inspired by uh Jensen

1918
01:17:01,199 --> 01:17:05,199
Jensen from the Midwest. But it's an

1919
01:17:03,679 --> 01:17:07,120
idea of just getting into nature and

1920
01:17:05,199 --> 01:17:09,199
seeing nature and and kind of connecting

1921
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:12,560
with it. We might have a series of

1922
01:17:09,199 --> 01:17:14,960
boardwalks or bridges to allow those uh

1923
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:17,920
trails to cut through this new park

1924
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:20,480
space and go over where the intermittent

1925
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:23,280
stream would flow. And we'd also have a

1926
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:25,120
a loop trail which would be down low and

1927
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:27,280
would run through the space pick up

1928
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:28,960
picking up from the bike trail wrapping

1929
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:32,400
all the way around providing easy

1930
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:34,320
passage down low through this new space

1931
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,760
and connecting back into the bike trail.

1932
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:37,760
You'll notice this one does not have

1933
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:40,320
vehicular access. It does not have

1934
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:43,360
parking except we imagine parking right

1935
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:45,280
at the uh the North Fourth Street entry.

1936
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:46,960
You'd have some parking there, but

1937
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:49,120
otherwise vehicles would not go into

1938
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:50,560
this one except for bikes. uh that

1939
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,560
outside loop trail would be for

1940
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:54,239
maintenance. So it'd be scaled for like

1941
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:56,400
a pickup truck or or maintenance

1942
01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:57,920
vehicles. But the other main program

1943
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,840
besides this kind of counseloring here

1944
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:02,400
would be an outdoor education center

1945
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:04,159
right near the entrance. So those are

1946
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,920
the three options we're putting out

1947
01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:08,480
there. And as I said, you know, they

1948
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:11,280
haven't been vetted really with Seymour

1949
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:12,880
or Ansonia. So, it's we know there's a

1950
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,480
there would be a long way to go and a

1951
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:16,400
lot of engagement to go in any one of

1952
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:18,560
these directions, but it's really just

1953
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:20,560
to get people's imaginations going about

1954
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:24,679
what could what could happen with all

1955
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:24,679
this sediment that's going into Copont.

1956
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:31,360
That's it. I'm going to pass it back to

1957
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:33,920
you, Paul, and Aaron. Um, we're happy to

1958
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:35,440
talk about I I don't know. It doesn't

1959
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:37,199
seem like the format of this meeting is

1960
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:40,000
one where we need to come to any

1961
01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:41,520
conclusions. Uh, but we just wanted to

1962
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,960
let the group know what we're thinking

1963
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:45,920
of and that there are a lot of options

1964
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:48,080
out there right now.

1965
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:51,600
» Thank you. These look they look great

1966
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:53,840
and um I I think it is definitely

1967
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:56,080
a conversation starter and you know I I

1968
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,840
I would love for the committee members

1969
01:18:56,080 --> 01:19:00,800
or or anybody that has questions or

1970
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:03,040
comments or anything to to speak up and

1971
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:04,880
um and let's have a conversation about

1972
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:08,804
it.

1973
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:10,719
» It's a lot to absorb in one shot.

1974
01:19:08,804 --> 01:19:13,360
» [clears throat]

1975
01:19:10,719 --> 01:19:16,719
» It is. It is. Sorry about that.

1976
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:18,880
» No, it's great. It's great. I look

1977
01:19:16,719 --> 01:19:20,880
forward to hearing more about it. I

1978
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:24,080
actually have a better sense of it after

1979
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:27,840
we do the tour today. I think just uh

1980
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:30,719
the total lay of the land.

1981
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:34,080
Jack, this is Mark Nielson. Uh just

1982
01:19:30,719 --> 01:19:36,560
couple of quick comments. Um, [sighs]

1983
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:38,960
yeah, I've worked on trying to get the

1984
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:42,080
energy trail sort of built in other

1985
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:44,640
parts of the region. And one of the

1986
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:47,520
stumbling blocks we've hit in a lot of

1987
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:49,760
areas is, you know, proximity to the the

1988
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:51,440
Waterberry Branch line or even the dog

1989
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:55,040
truck rail line, you know, in Watertown

1990
01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:57,360
and farther up. Um,

1991
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:59,679
so I I just see, you know, the options

1992
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:01,360
of trails along the railroad as being a

1993
01:19:59,679 --> 01:20:03,600
little bit problematic and kind of

1994
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:07,199
difficult to get the, you know, approval

1995
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:08,800
and support from the department. Um, not

1996
01:20:07,199 --> 01:20:10,719
impossible, but I think it's just going

1997
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:12,800
to be a real challenge. And I just I

1998
01:20:10,719 --> 01:20:15,440
know you guys recognized it in the

1999
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:19,440
presentation and I would just emphasize

2000
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:21,600
that you know that has to be sort of a a

2001
01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:24,239
very early action item to coordinate

2002
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:28,840
with the department um to get their sort

2003
01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:28,840
of buy in on u

2004
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:37,080
any other questions or comments

2005
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:43,719
» Mark I think you froze. those. So,

2006
01:20:40,719 --> 01:20:43,719
sorry.

2007
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:47,600
» I'm still frozen.

2008
01:20:46,159 --> 01:20:47,840
» There you there. There you are. You're

2009
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:48,640
better.

2010
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:51,040
» There we go.

2011
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:53,120
» All right. So, Erin may have done that

2012
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:55,360
just to the to [laughter]

2013
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:56,719
keep me from talking to

2014
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,480
» Um

2015
01:20:56,719 --> 01:21:00,159
» Where did I leave off? I was just sort

2016
01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:01,600
of saying that the department is, you

2017
01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:04,400
know, somebody have to reach out and

2018
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:06,000
coordinate with you from the the very

2019
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:09,600
beginning because it could be a

2020
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:11,360
challenge to get them to approve. Um, so

2021
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:14,080
that that was just my comment.

2022
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:16,800
» Yeah. Yeah.

2023
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:18,880
» Um, if no one else has a question, um, I

2024
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:21,679
definitely have a few. I'll be excited

2025
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:24,480
to talk to you more this afternoon. Um,

2026
01:21:21,679 --> 01:21:26,640
but I am curious, uh, since Copon

2027
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:30,080
designs are in front of us or concepts

2028
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:32,560
are in front of us. Um, I'm curious. I

2029
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:34,640
personally love the constructed wetland

2030
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:38,239
one. I think that's really beautiful.

2031
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:42,880
Um, I'm wondering if you guys had an

2032
01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:46,239
assessment of the like uh existing like

2033
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:48,400
animals and species that have made the

2034
01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:50,000
cop pond their home even if they maybe

2035
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:53,440
shouldn't have. [laughter]

2036
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:55,679
Um, and if that helped influence your

2037
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:59,600
designs.

2038
01:21:55,679 --> 01:22:02,960
Um certainly we've we've begun to um

2039
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:04,719
evaluate species all along uh the the

2040
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:07,679
re-imagined

2041
01:22:04,719 --> 01:22:10,239
uh trail and at Copan and I'll just say

2042
01:22:07,679 --> 01:22:13,440
they're um they're preliminary um

2043
01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:16,880
observational that we've seen a wide

2044
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:20,000
variety of of species living in Cop and

2045
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:22,639
that was part of the uh impetus to think

2046
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:24,800
about reconstructing some wetlands in

2047
01:22:22,639 --> 01:22:28,239
that area and making sure we're taking

2048
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:30,880
advantage antage of the storm water to

2049
01:22:28,239 --> 01:22:33,040
um create habitat. It's not going to be

2050
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:35,679
pond habitat. Um that's that's going to

2051
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:38,320
go away, but um that we provide

2052
01:22:35,679 --> 01:22:40,960
opportunities for really a diversity of

2053
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:42,560
habitat within that space. I I know

2054
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:44,320
that's not a direct answer to your

2055
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:47,360
question in terms of evaluation of

2056
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:49,280
what's there. Um but but we are you know

2057
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:51,280
clearly we are changing things

2058
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:54,239
tremendously in that area but we want to

2059
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:57,360
make sure what we put back provides as

2060
01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:59,679
much habitat or more um in terms of

2061
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:02,480
diversity and opportunities for wildlife

2062
01:22:59,679 --> 01:23:03,199
and for um native plant communities to

2063
01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:04,639
thrive there.

2064
01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:05,840
» And Glenn I could add to that. I mean

2065
01:23:04,639 --> 01:23:10,560
there's been there hasn't been any

2066
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:12,960
formal like biological inventory of cop

2067
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:16,560
um and I'm not I'm not sure we're gonna

2068
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:20,320
do that. Um I mean our it's essentially

2069
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:23,280
a an open water body. Uh that's its

2070
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:27,679
primary feature and and source of

2071
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:30,480
habitat um and and type of habitat. Um

2072
01:23:27,679 --> 01:23:32,239
there isn't a whole lot of um like

2073
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:34,080
diverse wetlands. There is there is like

2074
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:37,360
a where the uh stream the existing

2075
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:39,679
stream enters the enters the pond is uh

2076
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:42,080
is now unfortunately a little delta

2077
01:23:39,679 --> 01:23:43,600
that's dominated by frag. Um but that is

2078
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:46,080
a slightly different type of wetland

2079
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:48,960
than the rest of the open water. Deep

2080
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:51,199
Fisheries has been the one that's um you

2081
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:53,920
know a major proponent of this project

2082
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:56,239
and um when we've turned to them to say

2083
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:58,639
hey what are your thoughts about you

2084
01:23:56,239 --> 01:24:02,560
know Copon and what you know what will

2085
01:23:58,639 --> 01:24:04,719
be potentially lost uh by by uh

2086
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:07,679
dewatering and and utilizing this for

2087
01:24:04,719 --> 01:24:09,840
sediment disposal. Um and their their

2088
01:24:07,679 --> 01:24:11,840
take has been, you know, the the river

2089
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:15,440
the open river matters way more than

2090
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:16,560
this one pond. Um and some of the

2091
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:17,760
surrounding residents have raised

2092
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,120
concerns about, you know, what about the

2093
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:21,440
eagles and the ospreys? Well, the eagles

2094
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:23,040
and ospreys have much more to gain from

2095
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:25,600
the removal of the dam and the

2096
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:27,760
restoration of of the fisher uh than

2097
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:30,159
they do from the fish that they may be

2098
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:31,760
getting out of out of CO pond. And the

2099
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:34,080
other part of the assessment that has

2100
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:36,560
not been done is really the biological

2101
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:39,520
um impacts of like the contamination in

2102
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:44,080
Copond itself where we we don't really

2103
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:46,400
know um what kind of um uh burden that

2104
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:47,920
is being held right now by fish and

2105
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:50,960
moving up the food chain from the

2106
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:52,400
contamination in Copond. um we just know

2107
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:54,320
it's probably not good and we've been

2108
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:55,920
telling people it this has always been

2109
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:57,440
private so it's never been fishable in

2110
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:59,040
that respect but definitely shouldn't be

2111
01:24:57,440 --> 01:25:01,600
fished and nobody should be consuming

2112
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:04,080
anything out of cop because of the

2113
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:06,239
potential for that risk. Um so those

2114
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:11,679
things haven't been assessed because um

2115
01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:16,800
well um I think in the totality of the

2116
01:25:11,679 --> 01:25:18,639
project um it's um it it may be moot you

2117
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:20,639
know um because there's so much more to

2118
01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:24,000
gain from the restoration of the of

2119
01:25:20,639 --> 01:25:26,719
opening up the river um than the loss of

2120
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:28,800
of this pond. So ponds and open water

2121
01:25:26,719 --> 01:25:30,880
bodies like them are very common in the

2122
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:32,960
in the state. Some of them are uh many

2123
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:35,280
of them may be behind dams but behind

2124
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:37,760
dams that are serving us a a purpose um

2125
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:40,880
more than just the pond habitat itself.

2126
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:43,280
So um whereas open rivers are the are

2127
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:46,800
the uh the endangered habitat type in

2128
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:49,600
the state if you will. So um this is all

2129
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:52,800
perceived as sort of a net game even if

2130
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:54,639
there is loss to certain wildlife. I'll

2131
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,920
I'll also add Paul, we we even haven't

2132
01:25:54,639 --> 01:25:58,239
talked about this and we're just

2133
01:25:55,920 --> 01:26:00,960
beginning to work on it with GEI, but

2134
01:25:58,239 --> 01:26:03,679
all of the recovered land in the flood

2135
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:06,239
plane is uh new habitat that's going to

2136
01:26:03,679 --> 01:26:08,480
be created as the empoundment goes away.

2137
01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:10,560
It's and it's a tremendous opportunity.

2138
01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:12,800
All that green. You can go back to that

2139
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:15,920
one, Emily. Um, and just show all that

2140
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:17,920
new green land we're imagining as

2141
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:20,560
potentially new constructed wetlands or

2142
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:23,360
at least um native habitat zones that's

2143
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:27,400
going to be going back. Um, that's now

2144
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:27,400
currently covered up by the empoundment.

2145
01:26:38,639 --> 01:26:43,560
Okay. Any anything else to be brought

2146
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:43,560
up?

2147
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:49,040
Going a little bit late and uh I know we

2148
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:52,480
have to get ready to

2149
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:54,400
uh get out there for 1:00. Uh Erin, do

2150
01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:57,120
you just want to quickly tell everybody

2151
01:26:54,400 --> 01:27:00,239
again how to get to the location?

2152
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:03,600
» Sure. So, I sent um I sent an email and

2153
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:06,960
I sent a um calendar invite to everybody

2154
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:10,239
that had a link to a Google link to the

2155
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:14,239
location. Um if you don't have that, you

2156
01:27:10,239 --> 01:27:17,760
can Google or, you know, map yourself to

2157
01:27:14,239 --> 01:27:19,920
the Seymour Public Works Department. Um

2158
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:24,080
and the dam is right next door to that.

2159
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:26,080
So, we'll be parking in a parking lot.

2160
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:28,080
It's sort of a dirt parking area in

2161
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:31,679
between the public works yard and the

2162
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:35,760
dam. Um and that's in Seymour. Uh we'll

2163
01:27:31,679 --> 01:27:38,080
be meeting at 1:00. Um we'll do a quick

2164
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:40,239
tour of the powerhouse and and the dam

2165
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:42,800
um from that side and then we can go

2166
01:27:40,239 --> 01:27:49,199
over and and explore um over near and

2167
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:51,120
around Cop um in Ansonia. So um so yeah,

2168
01:27:49,199 --> 01:27:54,320
everybody's welcome. Um I hope to see

2169
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:55,440
all of you there. Um, folks from

2170
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:56,639
Stimson, I'm not sure if you're going to

2171
01:27:55,440 --> 01:27:58,560
be able to make it out there. I know you

2172
01:27:56,639 --> 01:28:01,600
guys have a bit of a drive if you are.

2173
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:03,520
Um, but, uh, you know, just shoot me a

2174
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:06,159
line to let me know. Uh, thumbs up or

2175
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:07,280
thumbs down. And, um, and yeah, I'm I'm

2176
01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:08,880
looking forward to showing everybody

2177
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:11,120
around.

2178
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:13,040
» Yeah. Luckily, it's not too brutal of a

2179
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,679
day out there today, so looking forward

2180
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:14,560
to it.

2181
01:28:13,679 --> 01:28:16,159
» It looks nice.

2182
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,040
» Bring some bug spray though, I think,

2183
01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:19,600
Erin. Right.

2184
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:21,280
» Yeah. Please wear wear sturdy shoes and

2185
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:25,040
long pants. There's a lot of poison ivy.

2186
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:26,960
It's It's not easy walking everywhere.

2187
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:28,159
Um and yeah, there are there are

2188
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:30,239
mosquitoes out there. I think I have

2189
01:28:28,159 --> 01:28:30,480
some bug spray here that I'll bring, but

2190
01:28:30,239 --> 01:28:31,760
um

2191
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:33,360
» Okay.

2192
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:36,400
» Yeah.

2193
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:38,400
» And area, I see you've got the um our

2194
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:39,600
next meeting November 4th, which is

2195
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:41,840
Veterans Day. Uh

2196
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:43,120
» So so it's it's a week early because of

2197
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,600
Veterans Day. Veterans Day is on the

2198
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:47,199
11th um which

2199
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:49,840
» Not our meeting our normal meeting day.

2200
01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:51,440
So we bumped it up one week. Um so it'll

2201
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,960
be on the 4th. So, it's not it's not the

2202
01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:54,400
usual second

2203
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:56,000
» Wednesday. It's the it's actually the

2204
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,600
first Wednesday in November.

2205
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,960
» All right. So, everyone adjust your

2206
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:00,639
schedule accordingly. I don't know if

2207
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,800
we'll see as many people on November

2208
01:29:00,639 --> 01:29:05,280
4th, but it was great to have so many

2209
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:07,360
people on today. A lot of great

2210
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:09,600
information. A lot to think about. Lot

2211
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,719
to think about. So, all right. Thank

2212
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:11,040
you.

2213
01:29:10,719 --> 01:29:13,920
» Thank you.

2214
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,920
» Thanks everyone. Thanks for