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All right. Good morning, everyone.

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Morning, everyone. Get started. We will have the other two supervisors with us. They have an

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equipment. Each different commitment, but they'll be here in just a little bit. We want to

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go ahead and get started with a meeting and we're going to start our meeting with a

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implication and a pledge of allegiance led by supervisor Seymour.

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Our dear and we follow a great home for the opportunity, which we have together today as

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citizens and elected officials in Navajo County.

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Father, we're grateful for the favorable conditions that we find ourselves in and for the opportunity to voice our opinions and to be able to do the business of the county in the public side.

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Father, we're grateful for this great country which we live in for the freedoms and for this past Bethlehem's day to remember those people who have given the ultimate sacrifice as well as anyone who has served in our armed forces.

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father were grateful for their diligence, their willingness, and their sacrifices of both themselves and their family.

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We pray today that we might be able to have thy spirit and guidance as we

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are able to discuss, that we might do so favorably, that we might do so in the spirit of

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being able to get along and to be in good neighbors. We're thankful for the moisture that the

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as children to us, and we pray that it may continue. We pray that we might continue to have

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our voices heard and to be able to accept the changes that have been made in this country

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that we will go forward and support. And remember that it is the United States of America,

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Father, and May we be kind to those people that we come in contact with. We may have differences

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of opinion that we may settle them in the best interest of kindness. Now we ask for guidance

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in direction today in the meeting we pray in the name of the High Sun Jesus Christ.

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Please join me in the pledge of allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for

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a wishes and a nation under God, in the visible liberty and justice.

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Thank you, Supervisor Seymour.

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All right.

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We have, before us, today, consent agendas of all the screen as well.

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Are there any items which to be discussed by the board?

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It's not chair and entertain a motion.

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Chairman, I'm motion for approval on the items.

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I'm the consent agenda.

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I'll second it.

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Any more discussion?

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Hearing none, all those in favor, vote aye.

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You're opposed for me.

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And none of the eyes have it.

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Motion passes unanimously.

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We're on the item number two, Navajo County Jail District, Motion to enter into the Navajo County Jail District Director of the Director's session.

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Here's a little move.

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Second.

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Yeah, motion and second all in favor vote aye.

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Any pose vote nay?

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And then the eyes have it.

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And now move on to item A, the consent agenda.

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Any questions on the one item on the consent agenda?

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I don't

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care, I'll move it to you up for the consent and just have a question.

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Motion.

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A second.

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All in favor?

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Bye.

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Hey.

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Post vote day.

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Here, none of the ice haven't.

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We'll now need a motion to leave the Navajo County Gel District Board Director

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session and enter into the Navajo County Health Services Board Director session.

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Can we move?

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Second.

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All in favor?

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Bye.

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Most of the passes unanimously.

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All right.

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We have, of course, the consent agenda on that whole county public health services district.

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Any questions?

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I'll chair an intertain of motion.

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Chairman, I motion for approval.

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Well, second.

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All those on favor vote aye.

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Motion passes unanimously.

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Motion to return to regular session.

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All those of favourable I, sorry.

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We're now back in regular session.

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I'm a form administrative services.

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Item 4A presentation to Jayling.

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I encourage further time in the Navajo County after 90 years of high service.

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We'll turn the time out of Eric and Brian.

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Good morning.

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Chairman members of the board.

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This morning we have the opportunity to recognize a couple of

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employees for their years of service to Navajo County. And first is, Miss Jalen, come on up Jalen.

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Jalen's been the superintendent for Navajo County for over nine years and just a true public

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servant. I've had the opportunity to visit with her multiple times over the years and she always

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takes the time to ask me how I'm doing and ask me how my family is doing. She's always

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thinking of her employees and just a great individual. We want to recognize her with a couple

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tokens of our appreciation but first, Brian, if you have a few words to say, and then J. Lynn,

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we'll see you on the time over to you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay.

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Chairman Vice-Share's supervisors, we appreciate this opportunity.

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When I first got to the county, we said I would join in and I started looking, obviously

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I came from a budget background and we were looking, he was in the budget process, we started

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looking at the numbers, he said, Brian, just to come down because this is school finance and

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you're not going to understand it.

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And she's absolutely right, school finance is very different than the finance that we typically

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use in government, and she's been very patient with me over the years to help me out.

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And she's, I think, very effectively straddled that the school finance, merging it with

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the county finance, working with the treasurer's office and just managing that whole process.

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She's in a great job.

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And her willingness to partner and try new ideas has been very, very appreciated.

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On the probation side, we've done some just fantastic things with juveniles and with the

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And one of the key parts of that is the accommodation school district, so keeping those kids enrolled in school,

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keeping them caught up on their academic progress, and then allowing them, so she takes them in the mornings,

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and then turns them over to probation and probation works on the life skills, the counseling, and more development of those kids.

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And so both pieces like super, super needed.

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And so Jalen's consistent partnership

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and consistent efforts in caring for those kids

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has been tremendous.

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And so we thank for a lot.

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And Jalen, thank you for just being a great partner.

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And we appreciate her.

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So thank you.

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I have many thanks.

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The first group I want to thank is our veterans.

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I come from a family of veterans.

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And my husband's family, family of veterans.

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I need to thank on the county side,

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to my chief deputy and my staff. They hold it together folks through thick and thin. We've

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gone through many, many journeys and many, many challenges and celebrations. I'd like to thank

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Laney Gillespie who's the associate superintendent. She's the consortium side. Many people don't

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know that my office also offers speech services, PT services, occupational services across the

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counties and that started with Bill Bennett recently passed away and we want to thank

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Kim also for what he was able to lay down the groundwork for and to be able to maintain

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that. She also helped tremendously with that school side. I want to thank my family.

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They've had to put up with me and my little dabblings and education for the past 39 years.

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I've been through many, many iterations of

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dabbling and school stuff and through NAU.

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So I've had the opportunity and privilege and honor of working with

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three year olds through adults.

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And it's been quite the travels.

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So I need to get my quote that pretty much sums up how I feel

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has there go my people. I must hurry to catch up with them for I am their leader.

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I've always been amazed how fast everyone moves and I always feel like I'm catching

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up to everybody with the county anticipating the needs of what has needs to

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happen with my staff who need anticipate what needs to happen and they've taught me

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a ton and that to me is what sums up my job. It's all about learning. It's always been

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learning experience. I encourage you to always learn something new every day and if you've done that,

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you've had a good day in my view. Thank you very much. I appreciate you.

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Thank you very much. Any comments

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from members of the board?

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Chairman. Go ahead, supervisor. Thank you, Chairman. I just want to

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wish you the very best in your retirement. I know that I've learned a lot from you and your

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professional career. I think there have been times where I didn't understand something

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and you were quick to help me understand. And I remember the day where there was a

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shooting here on our campus and that directly impacted you and those in your office

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And you were so steady, you were so, you were such a leader for your, the people within your office.

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And I really admire that.

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And so thank you for all that you know done for our community.

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I know that all of our schools have benefited with both consortium.

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If you don't know, I think one of the things in knowing about education is that we live in such a rural community.

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that the rural community causes isolation where we don't get the professional services that

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may be somebody in her copa or Flagstaff or other communities might get. And those might be

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speech services or other services. So when we have a consortium that allows us to be able to look

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for individuals who can come to our campus and provide those services to our children, it is so

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important. And so I'm really grateful that we have those opportunities through you and that

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you've worked really hard to protect those services is a really important to our children

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and to our children's families. So thank you for that. I wish you the very best in your retirement.

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Thank you, Chairman. Thank you. Supervisor Seymour.

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I echo those comments from Supervisor White Singer. Jalen does a great job with, you know,

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We don't realize her role with a new business manager goes into a new school district and some of who don't ring know what they're doing as far as finances and some of those things that she has to do and just being able to get payroll out and to be able to manage that in our role area is huge and she's done a fantastic job and very rarely do we ever hear that something didn't happen perfect and so

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Thank you for all that you've done, Jalen. I appreciate it. Thank you.

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Thank you. Appreciate it. Supervisor Seymour. Any other comments from members of the board?

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Okay.

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Go ahead and surprise everybody's chair.

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Thank you.

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We're in the department for nine years.

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And like everyone has said, especially, you know, human guidance to the rural area.

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and the students which are who are very important for our future at this time and thank you for

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nine years of service.

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Thank you very much appreciate it. The great work that you've done,

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you've earned the opportunity to go and be with your family, enjoy the next phase of life,

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but we'll miss you here at Navo County. Then a great job and a good leader, so very much appreciated.

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So, glad we got a chance to honor you today and the service you've rendered.

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Melissa, Melissa said I had to come.

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What did I see if we could do a picture with your equipment?

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Great.

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Just real quick, Chairman.

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We do have a token of our appreciation over here.

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And then right here we have a penultin blanket.

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There's from Margarita for you, Jelaine.

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So, we'll go ahead and give that to you too.

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please wait, what's in there for that?

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It's over here.

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I'm here.

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I'm going to leave you all.

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It's over here.

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It's here for you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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you, Don. We now have item B, presentation to Donna Herschum for her retirement for Navajo County after 17 plus years of service.

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you, Chairman. Members of the board. We have the opportunity to recognize Donna Herschum now for her 17 plus years at Navajo County.

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Come on up Donna,

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and Michael Sample, if you want to come up to, I'd be great.

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So again, just like Jayle and I've had the opportunity to work around Donna for a number

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of years and always been impressed with my interactions with her.

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One of the things that I've noticed is Donna is a great listener.

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When you're visiting with Donna, she gives you her full attention, she listens to everything

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that you're saying, and then provides a very knowledgeable and confident response, and I've

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really impressed with her. And we're going to wish her the best in her retirement.

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Mr. Sample, do you got a few words to say to you?

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Good morning. Mr. Chairman and members of the board.

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I got to know Donna many years ago. When I started at the Clerk of the Spirit Court's Office,

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Donna was a courtroom clerk and I was a docket clerk. Donna became the courtroom clerk supervisor

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and I became the docket clerk supervisor. We worked hand in hand together for many years.

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Donna then came up to work with Melissa in the clerk of the board's office for a few years and when I got appointed as the county recorder

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And my chief deputy at that time retired. I approached Donna and asked Donna was she'd like to be my chief deputy

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It was the best moves that I ever did because Donna came and worked for for us and she's an amazing

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Hardworking person and she's a great team leader. She works well with our staff and with the

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officers officers and all the departments throughout the county. So I'm grateful that I got to

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choose Donna and Donna and work with Donna for many years. She's done an amazing job. She's

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going to be very well missed and I know she's going to have a great time enjoying her working with

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her grandkids and her family and stuff so we wish her the best and thank you so much Donna for

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This one is safe. Thank you. We moved from California in 2007 and have been a nominal

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county since then. And as my perspective, Navajo County is a fabulous employer. And I'm

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really grateful for my experience. And I've worked in three different departments and works with several departments.

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And in my humble opinion, Navajo County is staffed with great, great people, everywhere, who just come to work each day and work their hardest and do their very best.

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And I'm just really grateful and grateful for all the friendships I've made, grateful for our staff.

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They've worked tirelessly, and I'm just so thankful for all that they do.

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And I'm looking forward to the next chapter, and I've got grandkids that I can hang out with and have a lot of fun with.

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So that's going to be great, but I am so appreciate it. Thank you.

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Any comments from members of the board?

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Suge, you sounded up right.

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We've done a lot of people, Michael, as well, that you're a team player.

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And I think that's one of the great positive things.

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I know you were one of the first people that I had in our engagements with when I first became a supervisor here.

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I appreciate you staring me in the way that you did as well, but thank you so much for

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your service in your 17 years.

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You will be missed.

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I appreciate it.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Supervisor Widesinger.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Donna.

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I really do appreciate you.

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You're just so kindhearted and such a genuine person.

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Thank you for deciding to be with us along and I'm sharing your life and wish you the

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very best.

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Thank you down on for your service to the Navajo County, and I wish you well on your retirement, and go well, and I know you made an effect to,

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and positive influence on the Navajo County.

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So we appreciate you and to again.

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Thank you everyone, thank you Donna, we really appreciate you

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and the great work that you've done working with Mike,

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but also we got to enjoy your first season working with the board

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and you're going to be missed.

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But fortunately I get a chance to see you often,

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so look forward to be able to continue to see you and your family

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and wish you the best in this next season.

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So thank you so much for the service that you've rendered.

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And the great way that you've done it.

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Appreciate it.

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Do you have more art that you want to?

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Thank you, Chairman.

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If we could just get a photo.

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Yeah, I know.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very

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much, Eric.

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Well, now I'm moving on.

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We need a motion to enter the Navajo County

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flood control district board of director session.

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On the second.

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All of them favor vote aye.

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Any opposed vote nay?

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And none of them that I have it.

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We're now in the Navajo County flood control district.

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Regular agenda.

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Public hearing.

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Consideration of adoption of amended flood damage prevention ordinance.

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Ordnance number FCD.

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01-16.

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Mr. Hurkins.

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Good morning.

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Chairman.

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And by chair and members of the board and everybody else in the public here.

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Naval County is part of a National Flood Insurance Program.

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It's a voluntary program that it's referred to as MFIP.

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It allows the citizens to purchase flood insurance that is underwritten by the NFIP.

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And because Naval County participates in the NFIP program,

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It is required to adopt a flood damage prevention ordinance and that ordinance needs to be

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updated periodically to be in alignment and with and comply with current federal, which

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is FEMA and state known as the Arizona Department of Water Resources.

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They are required to be in alignment with them and meet those requirements.

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The Navajo County Flood Control team has made the necessary adjustments to the ordinance

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in order to update and modernize it so that it complies with those federal requirements.

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These changes are now ready and are submitted to the Board of Supervisors and upon approval.

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It will be submitted to ADWR, which we call theirs owner department of resources,

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And they will, in turn, be the liais between this day and FEMA.

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That's all.

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Perfect questions.

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Thank you, Mr. Berkins.

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The next go to the public hearing portion of it.

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Melissa, do we have any members of the public that we did not?

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So now in the public hearing portion of it,

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it sounds like we don't have any slips to speak to this item.

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So we'll go ahead and close the public hearing then and move to discussion.

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Are there any questions from members of the board on the side of

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them?

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I'll make a comment.

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I want to tell you, thank you to you in the team for staying on top of this.

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I'm not sure people understand, but private insurance is going to pick up a lot of this.

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And so it was a solution that was created so that people that couldn't find insurance for

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flood would have an opportunity to do so.

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and so staying in compliance with that to allow them to be able to have a least

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an option is appreciated, so thanks for being willing to work on that.

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If there are no other comments or questions, chair would entertain a motion.

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Chair, may I motion for approval?

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Or a motion for approval, do we have a second?

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Just a second.

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Any more comments?

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All those in favor, Bo-Rai?

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Aye.

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Any opposed, Bo-Nai?

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Hearing none, the eyes haven't.

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Thank you, most of them pass you to the announcing.

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We need a motion to return to regular session.

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Thank you so much.

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Second.

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We have a motion, then, to second.

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All those in favor to move to regular session, vote aye.

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Aye.

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Any opposed, vote, nay?

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And then the eyes haven't yet.

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We are now on item six, A, planning and development services, public hearing, consideration,

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and possible adoption of resolution, number 44-2024, approving or denying requests.

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by SPA communications, especially use permit.

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We'll turn the time.

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Chairman Vice Chair, supervisors appreciate your time this morning.

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I just wanted to get this document pulled up as quickly as possible.

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As you will recall, this item was labeled back in September to this date.

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We do have the original PowerPoint presentation in case there needs to be any reminders or

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refreshing on the item itself.

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But at that date, the supervisors made requests of staff,

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as well as the applicant and then offered to the public that they can provide further information.

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The information requested specifically from staff was related to whether or not we could justify that this was a completed application.

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The two items brought into question there were the photo simulations completed for this project.

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And then whether or not there was another suitable site.

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It's my understanding that the applicant is bringing forward that information as far as justifying the site today to you,

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which was also requested of them.

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But we wanted to put together just a quick image to show you where specifically the photo simulations we're taking here and some of the details behind this

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Not sure if we can zoom in just a little bit possible

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So our ordinance for these wireless communication facilities requires that you take a photo simulation from the five nearest residences located near this property

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It also requires that you take a photo simulation from the nearest major thoroughfair depending on the classification of the road

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As you can see here, there is a little noting where this photo simulation was taken off

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of East Contro Highway related to the property.

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You will note that that is also the nearest arterial and major roadway within the area.

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Also, just to the south there, you'll see numbered houses 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.

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Those are the five nearest residences to this property.

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So when the applicants took that photo from a near distance, then those of the house,

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at that point in time, staff had deemed that those requirements had been met.

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we did not feel that it was necessary to take photosimulations 15 to 20 feet apart.

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It provided nothing contextually that would be helpful to staff or the supervisors.

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So at that point, that's the analysis that we went through to do as far as the completeness on this.

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I know the applicant will have their items to touch on.

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If you'd like me to go back through the PowerPoint from the previous hearing, I'm more than happy to do so.

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I just also don't want to waste the time of the board if they'd prefer not to do that.

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So with that I'm available for any questions that you might have.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you for doing that, Cody. Okay, do you have the applicant here?

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Thank you.

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Mr. Chairman, Vice Chair, supervisor, so my name is

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Raj Dastry. I'm working with SPA Communications. I believe you have had a chance to look over. I've had a short

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deck that I'm going to go through to kind of discuss some of the additional follow-up from the September meeting,

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really getting to some of the specific questions that came up. In demonstrating that this really is the least

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I'm going to go through a few things, kind of discuss some of the additional steps we took and then see the rest of my time over to Steve Kennedy, who is an RF engineer that has appeared in front of this body before and he has a rather lengthy presentation regarding data that's been collected for the actual need.

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Could be. Oh, sorry. Mr. Chairman may have a moment to share.

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Thank you.

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So after the last meeting, we were, we were opposed a few questions and those five questions

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we got that I wrote down were requests to look into possibly moving the mailboxes to provide

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actual traffic data for folks driving through the area. So looking to possibly getting

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and appraisal because there had been some questions about reduced property values specifically for

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the homes to the north. We're most of the folks supposed to decide are living. Do some further research

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on public safety benefits and provide some more detailed information on the RF need. So like I said,

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I'll kind of address the first floor and then Steve Kennedy will come up and discuss the last item.

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So the mailboxes. A few days after we had our meeting I actually started reaching out

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to the folks in Snowflake. I talked to Regene Mueller a few times over the couple

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of weeks. They considered it and said that there are a few issues with actually moving

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those mailboxes. It's really not viable to move them all. I asked hey can you move just

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few of them can you move a group of 20? With all those mailboxes there, the biggest question

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or issue she had was that the distance would really be too great if they moved it. So

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if they moved two additional miles, it runs into problems of the rural male carrier, which

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is under contract, has to then add that to their route. So if they just moved say 10 or 20

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of them, that requires them to completely change their route and move all the boxes. And

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that wasn't something that seemed feasible. As far as moving all of the boxes, while

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that would benefit a group of people that are concerned about this, the rest of the folks

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that use those boxes right now would end up having to go somewhere else to get their

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mail, and it isn't something that the folks that have lived out there more than the group

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that doesn't like the location of our proposed site would be impacted by having to do that.

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So the post office indicated moving them is not something that would be reasonable, whether

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it would be all of them or just a few of them.

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So the next thing I checked on then was traffic data.

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There had been the question, I believe it may have been

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supervisor Whitesinger that asked specifically about traffic data.

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I reached out to county public works.

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I thought they might have some data from the roadway there,

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specifically Snowflake, Control Highway.

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They did not.

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I asked them a second time just in case.

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I asked them if they have a third party vendor

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that might be able to do a traffic study for us.

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And I didn't get any good information on that.

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I was amazed though.

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I contacted A. dot and to my surprise,

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and there's they had actually run a traffic study

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on that road two miles away in August.

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So they had raw data that was very, very, very recent.

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It was about 150 vehicles per day

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have been going each direction on that road.

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Those are Monday and Tuesday.

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So, you know, Monday Tuesday and August,

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probably pretty average days for the amount of traffic

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that's going through that area.

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Due to the actual location that they were at,

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there's not really any arterials that drop off

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between where they were at about two miles

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to the southwest towards Snowflake

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and the intersection were at.

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So, that eight, 50s probably pretty accurate

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for the amount of vehicles going each day.

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This is actually a little map to show where they were, where they were located at, so let's see, where is the pointer here?

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I can remember this thing.

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If you, the square, the red square is actually the intersection we're looking at, and their traffic data is from the nearest location to the southwest there,

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so over to the left and down, and that's where that two-way data came from, just to give you some idea.

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The third thing we looked at was appraisals.

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This was probably the most involved thing to look into.

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We had some issues.

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I mean, it is difficult to do an appraisal if there's no data.

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And that was sort of the problem we had.

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We contacted three local appraisers.

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They all kind of had the same basic concerns.

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There wasn't much good data because there's just not a lot of sales in the area.

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Additionally, the distance to the proposed homes, it's a little different if it's a quarter

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of a mile away.

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You know, the folks that are in the photo simulation, they might be able to say, okay, that's

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going to impact them.

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We'll check before and after data.

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When it gets to two miles, there's not really much that they can do because there are so many

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other factors that could be involved.

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And then the third issue is the unique characteristics of those homes.

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As many of the folks have said, their homes are built in special ways that are in line with their needs.

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And so there is value to them, there's value to people who have those needs.

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But they are unique homes that regardless of where they would be at,

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the valuation on them is impacted by many things other than what we're proposing.

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One of the local appraisers actually recommended we try a general appraiser, who is someone

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that does a bit more commercial work, and we track down the gentleman, and he's

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obviously being inspired by this work in this area. He confirmed basically that he would

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have the same basic issues. Now, he did offer that he could provide a more broad-based report,

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not an actual appraisal, but just a report where he would go around just in different communities

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within the state. And he would be able to do before and after. Again, it gets to the issue

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though of whether or not there are comparable reports. Because if he goes into my neighborhood in

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North Phoenix and says, okay, well, who's within here's here's sales that have occurred before

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or after tower being built within the last five years. That was kind of what he suspected that

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00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:46,140
might be reasonable on a time. Those homes are so different from the homes that are in this area.

465
00:37:46,140 --> 00:37:49,540
there are, there are, they're just not comfortable.

466
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,420
I mean, there was not a good opportunity to do

467
00:37:52,420 --> 00:37:54,800
in a appraisal that could show before and after,

468
00:37:55,340 --> 00:37:57,860
and how a site like this, two miles away

469
00:37:57,860 --> 00:38:00,580
from these specific homes, would really impact

470
00:38:00,580 --> 00:38:03,480
the value of those homes before and after.

471
00:38:04,060 --> 00:38:07,100
So we were unable to get in a appraisal together.

472
00:38:07,820 --> 00:38:10,700
It would seem from what has been presented

473
00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:12,060
by the folks that are opposed

474
00:38:12,060 --> 00:38:14,020
that most of their information is anecdotal

475
00:38:14,020 --> 00:38:16,460
because again, there's not really data together.

476
00:38:17,460 --> 00:38:21,840
They may be able to get some larger data sets from other areas,

477
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,180
but they're not really pertinent to what we've got here.

478
00:38:27,220 --> 00:38:31,680
So we don't think that there's really much to back up

479
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:32,880
that anecdotal claim.

480
00:38:34,380 --> 00:38:37,800
The next item that we reviewed was some,

481
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:40,680
I actually reached out to Taylor Snowflake,

482
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,480
Fire and Medical, and Sheriff's Department.

483
00:38:43,420 --> 00:38:46,960
I talked to Taylor Snowflake, they are not a direct Verizon customer.

484
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:53,360
They use AT&T's first net, and some of their employees are, they would like better communications

485
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:54,180
in that area.

486
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,720
I did, since they weren't a Verizon customer, I didn't ask about getting a letter of support.

487
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,920
Right after that, I did talk to the Sheriff's Department, obviously at the same meeting,

488
00:39:05,260 --> 00:39:09,320
they had come forth with their presentation about the grant they got for communications towers.

489
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,800
they were going to be building, and they're desire to increase public safety by having improved

490
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:15,180
coverage.

491
00:39:15,980 --> 00:39:20,480
Again, they are not a direct Verizon customer, they are an 18T customer, but many of their employees

492
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,080
are, and they know a lot of the residents out in that area are, so they were very much

493
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:28,880
in support of the site and did provide a letter of support for improved coverage out in

494
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:29,200
this area.

495
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:35,000
As for these buildings, sites, multi-care site, Verizon is the entertainment, it is definitely

496
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:40,600
available, though, for future carriers, as well, to help provide coverage, not just for Verizon,

497
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,140
but for others.

498
00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:50,700
So, to that end, the one thing that we do want to demonstrate is there was request for more

499
00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:53,120
detailed information on the RF need.

500
00:39:53,900 --> 00:39:57,640
Now, like I said, Steve's going to come up and present that in a bit, but just to quickly go

501
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,760
over, he'll be discussing some of the drive testing he did and go over the work he does for

502
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,500
to determine the current levels of quality.

503
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,180
Not just for Verizon, but for other carriers in the area.

504
00:40:09,780 --> 00:40:13,060
And he'll be able to discuss some of the data that's compiled.

505
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,540
And if there are no specific questions for me,

506
00:40:17,060 --> 00:40:18,520
I would like to hand it off to Mr. Kennedy.

507
00:40:19,180 --> 00:40:21,040
So I don't know if Mr. Chair, right, Chair?

508
00:40:21,180 --> 00:40:22,500
Supervisors, if you have any questions,

509
00:40:22,660 --> 00:40:24,960
I can certainly answer them before he comes up.

510
00:40:26,540 --> 00:40:29,300
You presented this request to the sheriff.

511
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,680
Did you make him aware of the homes

512
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,960
that has special building components in it.

513
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:39,760
I did mention to, I believe it was the deputy sheriff, did you mention that also to

514
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:40,320
the prisoners?

515
00:40:41,260 --> 00:40:41,280
Yes.

516
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:42,820
They were all aware of that.

517
00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:43,680
Thank you.

518
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:49,080
Okay.

519
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:49,120
Okay.

520
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,120
The board then will turn over to this colleague, Mr. Kennedy.

521
00:41:00,910 --> 00:41:01,470
Morning chair.

522
00:41:01,590 --> 00:41:02,110
Vice chair.

523
00:41:02,350 --> 00:41:02,830
Supervisors.

524
00:41:02,970 --> 00:41:03,850
My name is Stephen Kennedy.

525
00:41:03,930 --> 00:41:06,350
I'm a radio frequency engineering consultant.

526
00:41:06,510 --> 00:41:08,970
I consult various wireless carriers and tower companies.

527
00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:11,570
I have 35 years experience in the wireless industry.

528
00:41:11,570 --> 00:41:16,490
built out many many sites, many many networks. I've got a lot of data. I get

529
00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:20,270
out on this stuff, not a lot of other people do, so I'm trying to go as fast as I

530
00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:24,070
can, not glazing eyes over and stop me along the way if you've got any

531
00:41:24,070 --> 00:41:26,770
questions but I'll stand for questions at the end, but I'll try to get through

532
00:41:26,770 --> 00:41:33,770
this because I do have a lot of data. So this is the RF design analysis or

533
00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:37,790
justification for the coverage site. So two reasons a wireless carrier builds a

534
00:41:37,790 --> 00:41:39,650
One is coverage, one is capacity.

535
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:42,530
Coverage is a building for the transit or in the mobile phone

536
00:41:42,530 --> 00:41:44,950
to talk to the transit or on the site and communicate.

537
00:41:45,470 --> 00:41:48,810
No drop calls, no lost quality, things of that nature.

538
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:51,270
Capacity is the other way to it's getting built.

539
00:41:52,030 --> 00:41:53,450
I use an analogy of water pipe.

540
00:41:53,830 --> 00:41:55,810
If you're the only person tapping a water pipe,

541
00:41:56,030 --> 00:41:57,970
you get 100% of that pipe's capacity.

542
00:41:58,570 --> 00:42:03,370
If another person comes in and taps it, they get 50% you get 50%.

543
00:42:03,370 --> 00:42:06,990
If two more people come in, everybody gets 25%.

544
00:42:06,990 --> 00:42:09,990
If four more people come in, everybody gets 12 and a half percent.

545
00:42:10,770 --> 00:42:12,490
So capacity is much like the water.

546
00:42:13,010 --> 00:42:14,630
It's bandwidth, it's throughput.

547
00:42:15,350 --> 00:42:18,210
The more bigger the water pipe for the more radio channel you have,

548
00:42:18,570 --> 00:42:19,450
the greater the throughput.

549
00:42:19,830 --> 00:42:22,250
So that's the second reason more of this carers build sites.

550
00:42:24,350 --> 00:42:25,750
Objective is to provide areas.

551
00:42:25,830 --> 00:42:26,510
It's a real areas long.

552
00:42:26,610 --> 00:42:27,490
It's a control highway.

553
00:42:27,650 --> 00:42:31,270
It used to snowflake capacity and poor coverage is not long.

554
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:34,470
Mobile's to take advantage of higher bandwidth or higher throughput.

555
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:43,070
96% of Americans own cell phone 57 provide 57 American homes are cell phone only and 84% of

556
00:42:43,070 --> 00:42:45,390
my one-one calls are made for mobile devices.

557
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:54,660
Same thing, Reds talk too, it's just the 120-foot-Monopol Tower, Verizon Zanker Tenet.

558
00:42:55,580 --> 00:43:00,340
While here users are experiencing lack of coverage and all go over the drive test data

559
00:43:00,340 --> 00:43:05,240
to give you more thorough analysis, significant amount of growth, mobile reporting and

560
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:08,780
showing poor bed coverage for all four major carriers.

561
00:43:09,820 --> 00:43:11,240
There's the proposed site.

562
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,560
This is the Verizon sites.

563
00:43:14,780 --> 00:43:17,380
These are all the neighbors, the neighboring Verizon sites,

564
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:18,220
to the proposed.

565
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,720
The closest one is 6.57 miles away.

566
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,500
Far this one is about 24.39 miles away.

567
00:43:25,940 --> 00:43:27,800
So if you look at distance between the sites.

568
00:43:28,860 --> 00:43:30,420
This is a third party crowdsourced state.

569
00:43:30,580 --> 00:43:31,540
It's a little hard to see.

570
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:32,080
I apologize.

571
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:33,160
I didn't zoom in.

572
00:43:33,220 --> 00:43:34,560
I wanted to kind of get a better picture.

573
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,000
But basically, what this is, is, uh,

574
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,160
mobiles that are on the networks,

575
00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:41,820
they actually report back to carrier servers,

576
00:43:42,020 --> 00:43:43,120
telling them what's going on.

577
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,280
Do they have a good service, bad service,

578
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,520
what's the level of service?

579
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,340
And if you look at the right red square on the left,

580
00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:52,740
uh, anything you see, it's orange red or the dark red,

581
00:43:53,060 --> 00:43:56,800
uh, that showing poor service or lack of indoor service

582
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,360
and even lack of services at all in some cases.

583
00:44:01,930 --> 00:44:04,750
This is another third-party crowdsource data, same thing,

584
00:44:04,750 --> 00:44:10,450
look in the red box to the left, anything dark green, orange, or red, that's showing you

585
00:44:10,450 --> 00:44:11,070
bad coverage.

586
00:44:12,810 --> 00:44:16,290
And we can see within the area of the site there's a significant amount of red.

587
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:22,050
Open signal, another crowdsource data source basically the same thing.

588
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:28,370
It's showing very few reports from mobile, which is in to get indicative of two things.

589
00:44:28,530 --> 00:44:33,130
One is the lack of mobile's reporting, and two is the lack of a mobile's ability to connect

590
00:44:33,130 --> 00:44:33,870
to the network.

591
00:44:36,270 --> 00:44:43,970
All right, this is RSRP coverage, received signal reference power, this is basically a propagation

592
00:44:43,970 --> 00:44:48,830
modeling tool that uses a whole lot of math and calculates things like path loss, looks

593
00:44:48,830 --> 00:44:53,990
at what kind of terrain is in the area, what kind of trees, clutter, what's going on there,

594
00:44:54,090 --> 00:44:59,670
how many buildings, what type of buildings, all these other things, to a 95% probability

595
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:59,970
I'm sorry, Greg.

596
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,760
Green means there's indoor service, yellow means there's in vehicle service, and red means there's on street service, and anything without those three is a lack of service.

597
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:16,310
Kind of like stick your liquor fingered hold up the herd hope for the best you might make it.

598
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:22,170
With the new proposed site, we've showed an increase in indoor services as well as in vehicle and on street.

599
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:30,090
This is a best server plot, so this is basically, okay, if I have transmitters active on existing sites,

600
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:31,970
who provides the service to the area.

601
00:45:32,130 --> 00:45:36,010
We can see that there's multiple transmitters kind of all coming in together.

602
00:45:36,430 --> 00:45:41,450
And the mobile's are having a hard time making decision on which sites to talk to, because of the distance and the capacity.

603
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:50,190
If we look at the proposed site, when the proposed site comes in, it becomes a very dominant server and serves this area quite well.

604
00:45:51,770 --> 00:45:54,510
This is AT&T sites we can look at other carriers.

605
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:59,410
They're close to site as 4.02 miles away, just to the south-south west.

606
00:45:59,950 --> 00:46:02,870
Therefore, this is 22.98 miles away.

607
00:46:03,710 --> 00:46:08,230
Looking at their reported mobile data, they're getting a lot of bad coverage reports.

608
00:46:08,510 --> 00:46:10,890
You go to the east and the west, they're getting some good coverage reports,

609
00:46:11,010 --> 00:46:14,390
but a lot of bad coverage in an area around the proposed.

610
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,160
There's AT&T cell map where we can see that site to the east.

611
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:26,740
It's up on that hill, and we can see tight to the southwest, the center, I think believe it's next to a water tank.

612
00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:31,580
But still within the area of the proposed, we've got a lack of signal.

613
00:46:33,180 --> 00:46:39,920
And then there's not a lot of AT&T users are reporting data in the area and getting attachment to the network of the crowdsource data.

614
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:46,980
This is cellular one, cellular one's closest is 4.02, it's co-located with AT&T at that same site by the water tank.

615
00:46:46,980 --> 00:46:50,900
And the farthest side is 35.03 miles away.

616
00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:55,960
If we look at Uplaciler 1, same thing we're getting some red,

617
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,640
some orange or red and dark red, so not good service.

618
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,260
We're really falling off pretty bad because that side to the east is 30 miles away,

619
00:47:04,460 --> 00:47:09,940
so it falls off pretty fast once you get past that side that's on the next of the water tank.

620
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,420
And that's, I believe, the end of this deck.

621
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,840
Can you move over to the online maps?

622
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:17,600
Okay,

623
00:47:30,060 --> 00:47:35,500
so this deck is opposition brought up that the online map show coverage in these areas.

624
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,860
Why do we need a side if it already shows coverage?

625
00:47:40,380 --> 00:47:46,420
I'm not a big fan of the online maps just because I'm an engineer and I kind of like to see things exact, but there's other things in play.

626
00:47:47,140 --> 00:47:51,040
If we look at the bottom in that red circle, you're going to see a thing that says disclaimer.

627
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:57,420
And at the bottom of that it's going to talk about additional LTE coverage information.

628
00:47:58,180 --> 00:48:00,600
So if we go to the next, that's the disclaimer.

629
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,940
So basically the second line said this map is not a guarantee of coverage.

630
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,320
Contains areas of no service and may not reflect actual customer performance.

631
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,280
Actual coverage may vary.

632
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:16,780
Then many things can affect availability and quality of your service, including but not limited to network capacity,

633
00:48:16,780 --> 00:48:20,660
your device, terrain, buildings, foliage, weather,

634
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,900
topography and other environmental considerations associated

635
00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:25,180
with radio technology.

636
00:48:25,940 --> 00:48:28,360
Your service may very significantly within buildings.

637
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,420
So we have our online coverage map,

638
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,700
but lawyer had to get involved and give this nice,

639
00:48:33,740 --> 00:48:35,360
wonderful disclaimer saying,

640
00:48:36,180 --> 00:48:38,260
may not be 100% true.

641
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,560
And so just for comparators, I went to, oops, sorry.

642
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,640
I went to AT&T's online map in the same area,

643
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:50,280
and we have kind of at the bottom in the

644
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:55,620
red, we have the same disclaimer, and if we look at it, basically AT&T's saying the same

645
00:48:55,620 --> 00:48:58,800
thing, it may not show actual coverage.

646
00:49:00,180 --> 00:49:04,660
T-mobile, same thing, T-mobile actually roams on a partner, they're roaming on cellular one,

647
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,740
so they're not actually providing service in area except through roaming capabilities.

648
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,860
And then they have basically the same kind of disclaimer.

649
00:49:16,180 --> 00:49:19,160
So online maps subject to interpretation,

650
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,520
and there's disclaimers about doesn't always mean

651
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,120
that you're actually going to get service.

652
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:25,620
Once again, here's the site,

653
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:29,660
or one map, and maps are a general

654
00:49:29,660 --> 00:49:31,320
representation of coverage.

655
00:49:31,820 --> 00:49:33,700
So everybody's kind of saying the same thing

656
00:49:33,700 --> 00:49:36,720
and a few different legal terms of saying it,

657
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:39,820
they're all doing the same thing.

658
00:49:40,420 --> 00:49:43,440
I need to get to the last deck, which is the dry test.

659
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:48,150
I hope I'm not glazing eyes over and I'm keeping it interesting.

660
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:50,030
Trying to move fast.

661
00:50:07,710 --> 00:50:11,290
Okay, so this is dry test report I did on October 29th.

662
00:50:11,490 --> 00:50:14,350
This is certification of my engineering background 35 years.

663
00:50:15,350 --> 00:50:16,190
The dry test overview.

664
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:19,310
This was performed to show what coverage is in the field.

665
00:50:19,370 --> 00:50:21,030
So let's see actual coverage values.

666
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:27,190
not what's been theoretically modeled within a propagation tool, which it's close, but real

667
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:32,770
world test. I used a roof mount external scanner in a GPS antenna that worked on a industry

668
00:50:32,770 --> 00:50:37,930
standard PCTell G-Flex scanner. This is pretty much every wireless carrier has scanners

669
00:50:37,930 --> 00:50:44,230
like this. This is expensive equipment. I did a second little modular scanner that just did

670
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:48,710
a quick, quick scan. You have to do that stationary, so I wanted to validate what channels I

671
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:54,590
seeing, I also had three phones active because I didn't have a sim for cellular one, so I could

672
00:50:54,590 --> 00:50:59,610
only test AT&T Verizon and team mobile. So there was active call testing. So as we're driving

673
00:50:59,610 --> 00:51:03,930
around, the scanner is looking at all of the wireless operators and all the frequency bands

674
00:51:03,930 --> 00:51:10,690
they use. And then the mobile's are actually on those networks, making call are not making calls,

675
00:51:10,810 --> 00:51:14,770
but doing throughput testing to show what the throughput's going on in the area. So the drive

676
00:51:14,770 --> 00:51:28,330
We're performed on October 11th and the scanner for process signal details from like I said from all carriers and the drive throughout was created based upon the proposed coverage of what that new site would do

677
00:51:28,330 --> 00:51:37,630
So I did a blind scan and the G-flux basically that's I want you to go scan these bands find anybody you can and I want to see what's going on within those channels

678
00:51:37,630 --> 00:51:39,230
so I'm able to collect

679
00:51:39,230 --> 00:51:40,810
date and time coordinates

680
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:44,390
cell IDs, PCIs, all these other wonderful things.

681
00:51:44,590 --> 00:51:48,390
The bands that are active in the area are 780 and 850 megahertz channels,

682
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:53,950
1900 megahertz channels, 2100, as well as 3800 megahertz back in

683
00:51:53,950 --> 00:51:54,850
towards snowflake.

684
00:51:56,130 --> 00:52:00,690
These are the frequency bands, so I got two channels, two blocks out of AT&T.

685
00:52:00,730 --> 00:52:03,810
I got two out of sight or one, and I got four out of horizon.

686
00:52:04,110 --> 00:52:06,630
So Verizon has more spectral capacity in the area.

687
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:16,250
So that gives you the the down like frequency low band is a 7800 800 megahertz 600 megahertz mid band is

688
00:52:16,250 --> 00:52:28,950
192 100 and then high band is 3800 over 98 over 90 percent of the spectrum used by these cares is mid band and that'll that'll come clear to you when we we go on through the drive test data

689
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:31,610
But that's a significant impact right there

690
00:52:33,460 --> 00:52:45,060
So I reposted the Euclidated so you could see what the mobiles in the area are actually reporting for AT&T, Sighter 1, come on.

691
00:52:45,780 --> 00:52:46,040
Verizon.

692
00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:52,500
Now, this is the drive test route.

693
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:57,820
So like I said, I created this route based upon what the projected coverage of a proposed coverage area.

694
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,540
And I went outside of that site's proposed coverage as well.

695
00:53:00,940 --> 00:53:04,180
Just to kind of see what was going on closer to the neighbors.

696
00:53:05,020 --> 00:53:10,300
Once again, the Verizon sites and how close they are, 6.57 miles is the closest.

697
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,400
Okay, so this is the Verizon low-band scanner data.

698
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,600
So if we look in the upper right and the legend, green, like we had before, we had green

699
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:19,340
yellow and red.

700
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,320
We have the same thing here, green yellow and red.

701
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,520
I added a marginal, negative 1.06 to negative 1.20, that's kind of like, look, your finger

702
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:31,080
stick it near, hope for the best, you may make a call, and then load a no-service where the

703
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,060
is not even going to really attach to the network that well.

704
00:53:34,220 --> 00:53:36,060
It's not going to be able to communicate past data.

705
00:53:36,820 --> 00:53:37,760
That's the magenta color.

706
00:53:38,020 --> 00:53:43,520
So we can see on Verizon 885 megahertz that things fall off pretty fast

707
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,060
come in east out of snowflake.

708
00:53:45,780 --> 00:53:48,100
And the area of the proposed site,

709
00:53:48,580 --> 00:53:52,120
there it is going to cover its marginal service and low to no service.

710
00:53:54,670 --> 00:53:55,850
This is midband spectrum.

711
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:58,470
So midband does not propagate as far as lowband.

712
00:53:59,370 --> 00:54:02,210
So this scanner data shows what we've got a lot more marginal.

713
00:54:02,210 --> 00:54:07,670
a lot more outdoor service than we do in building or in vehicle.

714
00:54:19,220 --> 00:54:19,520
There we go.

715
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,460
There's AT&T, close to 4.02 and 4.05.

716
00:54:22,620 --> 00:54:26,080
We're going to see a little difference because we have some closer proximity sights.

717
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,800
So there's AT&T's low ban channel and what it covers.

718
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:33,660
So even in the perposed, as Reds talked about, you know,

719
00:54:33,740 --> 00:54:38,560
other cars can go locate AT&T within the area to the north to the south and right around there.

720
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,880
They're not doing as well for indoor services and in vehicle.

721
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:50,520
And we look at the next slide, that's AT&T's midband, midband's not going to do as a good job, but it doesn't propagate as far.

722
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,920
So that just kind of shows you the area is still in need even though AT&T's relatively close.

723
00:54:57,900 --> 00:55:01,500
Here's cellular one, cellular one scanner data.

724
00:55:01,740 --> 00:55:06,700
Well, we've got pretty good to east, but are pretty good to the west, excuse me.

725
00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:12,820
To the east we go load a no service even on a low-band frequency a 6502 megahertz channel

726
00:55:12,820 --> 00:55:19,860
It's just not propagate now east and it's not providing service to the north to the south and and definitely to the east

727
00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:25,860
All right there's cell ones 1900 megahertz channel a little bit better service

728
00:55:26,540 --> 00:55:33,920
419 under megahertz channel, but still with an area of the post and what what the rf engineer Verizon's trying to take care of

729
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,680
Definitely need some help

730
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,040
Okay, this is active call testing.

731
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,760
So active call testing is the three mobile

732
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,880
that are sitting there doing down link through foot measurements,

733
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,680
so they're just making speed test measurements

734
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,040
and saying, hey, how fast is the bandwidth I can get to?

735
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:52,020
Now this slide is showing physical cell ID.

736
00:55:52,340 --> 00:55:54,700
So we can see by a list, there's physical cell ID

737
00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:55,740
is the set of antennas.

738
00:55:55,860 --> 00:55:58,340
So there's three sets of antennas on each existing tower.

739
00:55:59,020 --> 00:56:01,340
What this chart tells me is,

740
00:56:01,340 --> 00:56:03,380
there's a whole lot of signals coming in

741
00:56:03,380 --> 00:56:05,060
and nobody's doing the job.

742
00:56:05,060 --> 00:56:07,340
So, mobile's out there just kind of freaking out.

743
00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:09,960
It's like trying to hold a conversation with 15 different people

744
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:14,240
at the same time and being able to have a good conversation

745
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:16,980
with those 15 different people just doesn't happen.

746
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:18,560
The data doesn't get moved.

747
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,060
There's RSRP, so like we saw with the scanner.

748
00:56:22,180 --> 00:56:24,780
Now, we have the phone, the phone has a scanner in it as well.

749
00:56:25,060 --> 00:56:26,520
It's telling you what's going on.

750
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,180
So, active call testing for Verizon was not good.

751
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:31,100
It was just not seated.

752
00:56:31,180 --> 00:56:34,140
And I had the mobile's up basically sitting

753
00:56:34,140 --> 00:56:41,060
on the dash of the car so that they show that typically close to where someone's had

754
00:56:41,060 --> 00:56:43,400
is if they have the phone up next to their ear.

755
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,820
Throughput testing, yeah, well, okay.

756
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:59,480
So throughput testing is downlinked throughput, so at home with Wi-Fi and our internet services

757
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:04,440
home we're seeing sometimes 10, 20, 30, 50, 100 megabits depending on where you are, you

758
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:05,780
could have a gig.

759
00:57:06,940 --> 00:57:13,140
Basically, pretty much for the active call testing in the area throughout the area for Verizon was less than one megabit per second.

760
00:57:13,420 --> 00:57:16,360
So that's less than what the FCC says is broadband data.

761
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,160
Not doing a really good job within this area, based on existing sites.

762
00:57:22,460 --> 00:57:23,580
This is AT&T.

763
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:32,060
You'll notice that there's a smaller list of cell IDs that are actually coming in the area, but that's because there's two or three sites that are closer.

764
00:57:32,060 --> 00:57:41,940
So we're going to get more dominant from those sites, but even with that many cell IDs are that reduced amount of cell IDs, we're not getting good service within the area.

765
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:47,140
Okay, there's the AT&T calls testing, so that's the mobile connected and what it was seeing.

766
00:57:47,260 --> 00:57:54,680
We can see better coverage to the east because that side to the east on the hill. We can see coverage to the southwest because of the side next to the water tank.

767
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:59,900
But still in the area, they're proposed active call testing, not doing a great job.

768
00:58:00,620 --> 00:58:07,260
This is the throughput same thing 18T even with those two sites are seen pretty low throughput, not doing a good job.

769
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:14,800
So the conclusion to scanner recorded the frequency bands for 18T cell one in Verizon once again team-mobiles roaming on cell one.

770
00:58:15,300 --> 00:58:21,180
The existing sites do not provide the level of service need in the area. There's a significant gap in service for at least two miles.

771
00:58:21,740 --> 00:58:27,580
The throughput levels I'll show below one megabits per second and I recommend approval of the site.

772
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,660
Sorry, it was a lot. I know. I stand for questions.

773
00:58:42,650 --> 00:58:49,950
If I were to pull certain areas in other areas of the county or the state, could we get the same conclusion?

774
00:58:52,650 --> 00:58:53,590
I don't think I understand your question.

775
00:58:53,590 --> 00:58:59,310
Well, if I were to say I'm driving to Phoenix and I don't have a good reception down around a certain area,

776
00:58:59,790 --> 00:59:01,970
could I get the same conclusion that you have here?

777
00:59:01,970 --> 00:59:07,890
that we need another site. Well, I can say right now from Phoenix this morning at 4 a.m.

778
00:59:08,330 --> 00:59:12,970
I had a really, really bad service coming south, south of pace and from north of

779
00:59:12,970 --> 00:59:16,150
Phoenix to south of pace. And there was some areas along the side.

780
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:20,150
How many cards do you think travel that road every day? That's her. I don't know the answer.

781
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:24,090
Probably more than travel. He's the west. I'm not sure. I would imagine.

782
00:59:24,330 --> 00:59:31,150
Yes, sir. We've also had several issues in Shola, Arizona, where we have dead spots.

783
00:59:31,790 --> 00:59:35,850
Verizon has done very little to address those issues as well.

784
00:59:36,790 --> 00:59:42,010
And so I don't look at this as an isolated case or an isolated area that needs service

785
00:59:42,010 --> 00:59:47,990
as opposed to any other area, because I feel there's other areas throughout the county,

786
00:59:48,590 --> 00:59:52,650
the suffer that maybe have a greater cell phone need and a greater need.

787
00:59:52,790 --> 00:59:58,510
I mean we all have needs, but when we look at the number of people that is affecting,

788
00:59:58,510 --> 00:59:59,970
I can find other

789
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,800
Any areas in the county that are probably a greater need of affecting as well?

790
01:00:05,180 --> 01:00:08,880
So that's my question. Thank you. Yes, sir. Any questions?

791
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:16,060
Thank you, not right now. All right, let's go then.

792
01:00:18,990 --> 01:00:22,390
We're going to open it up to the public hearing and I have quite a few here.

793
01:00:23,130 --> 01:00:25,690
Quite a few slips, so we'll go in the order that I have.

794
01:00:26,410 --> 01:00:29,010
So, Anna, if you're here,

795
01:00:33,390 --> 01:00:34,210
we have an Anna.

796
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,360
We've been asked to ask if the DeWit families here

797
01:00:52,790 --> 01:00:55,150
for a board of equalization hearing.

798
01:00:56,170 --> 01:01:00,250
Those they try to guess what time they can do that at to get those people here.

799
01:01:00,930 --> 01:01:02,970
So we're trying to see if they're here right now.

800
01:01:04,270 --> 01:01:04,990
Not seeing them.

801
01:01:06,790 --> 01:01:07,110
All right.

802
01:01:07,470 --> 01:01:08,110
Good morning.

803
01:01:09,310 --> 01:01:15,830
My name is Anna Parasgando and I live at 8.511 Rihada Lane, which is just a half a mile from the proposed site.

804
01:01:15,830 --> 01:01:20,830
just south of those five homes that he had on the screen there.

805
01:01:22,110 --> 01:01:27,050
I was at the hearing in September and what upset me the most was that one person who

806
01:01:27,050 --> 01:01:31,810
represents a huge corporation is telling you that we need this tower. He will most likely

807
01:01:31,810 --> 01:01:37,890
be paid well if it's approved and it wouldn't negatively affect him. Yet if this tower is

808
01:01:37,890 --> 01:01:42,470
approved it will affect us who live near it every day and we shouldn't have to prove that

809
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:44,430
will decrease the value of our homes,

810
01:01:44,610 --> 01:01:47,390
or have our mailbox boxes moved or anything else.

811
01:01:47,490 --> 01:01:49,390
We are telling you that we don't want it,

812
01:01:49,470 --> 01:01:51,410
don't need it, and that should be enough

813
01:01:51,410 --> 01:01:52,870
for you to deny the application.

814
01:01:53,870 --> 01:01:56,510
The cell service in our area is already very good.

815
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:59,190
I work from home and depend on cell service.

816
01:01:59,690 --> 01:02:01,650
And in the last seven years, we have lived here.

817
01:02:01,710 --> 01:02:03,010
I have never had a problem.

818
01:02:03,730 --> 01:02:05,910
We have always had good service with no issues.

819
01:02:06,090 --> 01:02:07,750
I've even used the Verizon hotspot

820
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:10,290
if the internet is down and it works just fine.

821
01:02:10,290 --> 01:02:13,290
And I've been a Verizon customer for a long time.

822
01:02:14,510 --> 01:02:16,550
The proposed site is so close to homes.

823
01:02:16,590 --> 01:02:18,670
It's not the right place for a cell tower.

824
01:02:19,210 --> 01:02:21,610
There are so many other areas far away from homes

825
01:02:21,610 --> 01:02:24,110
that would be a better spot for it without opposition.

826
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:26,490
I know it would use the value of our home

827
01:02:26,490 --> 01:02:28,630
because I don't want to live near a cell tower.

828
01:02:28,750 --> 01:02:31,110
How many potential buyers would feel the same way?

829
01:02:31,730 --> 01:02:34,450
The reason we moved here was to get away from things like this.

830
01:02:34,550 --> 01:02:38,290
We spent the last seven years and a lot of money building our retirement home

831
01:02:38,290 --> 01:02:44,170
Now, we might have to move because Verizon says we need a tower, the views are so beautiful looking

832
01:02:44,170 --> 01:02:44,470
west.

833
01:02:44,570 --> 01:02:49,230
That cell tower will be in that view and I would never be able to enjoy the sun sets again.

834
01:02:50,070 --> 01:02:54,970
Of course, I have health concerns too and then in my research to learn more about why health

835
01:02:54,970 --> 01:03:00,170
concerns can be considered in your decision, I found out that the FCC has not done any

836
01:03:00,170 --> 01:03:04,110
updated research on health effects of wireless radiation since 1996.

837
01:03:04,790 --> 01:03:06,250
That's 28 years ago.

838
01:03:06,250 --> 01:03:16,630
I also found out that the FCC basically has more rights than I do that puts us all at risk, especially in the era of 5G or more as new technologies come out.

839
01:03:17,330 --> 01:03:26,010
We really don't have much representation in this country right now, but I'm hoping that our voices will be heard here today and the Board of Supervisors deny this tower.

840
01:03:26,670 --> 01:03:27,250
Thank you.

841
01:03:28,170 --> 01:03:28,870
Thank you.

842
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,100
All right, carry it down.

843
01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:54,430
I'm carried on in the contrary, but I work for about the last 13 years for this EI community

844
01:03:55,370 --> 01:04:03,610
and spend, well, probably 80% of my customers are the EI community because I understand their

845
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:32,630
I take care of my own high genes so that I'm able to work with them and I'm pretty sure that I would lose most of my business if this tower is put right there and I've been asked by one of the EI members of the community to present his paper,

846
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:39,790
because he's not able to come, hello, my name is Steve Havid, I am unable to appear in person

847
01:04:39,790 --> 01:04:46,250
so my helper reads this to you. I live at 5708 Martin Road in a specially built house.

848
01:04:46,450 --> 01:04:52,790
I have lived in for the past 16 years. It will not be possible to sell this house to regular people

849
01:04:52,790 --> 01:04:55,990
for what it will cost to build a new one elsewhere.

850
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:02,360
I urge you to reject the recent

851
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:09,860
The reports are deceiving because they do not consider the improved coverage of the area

852
01:05:09,860 --> 01:05:13,900
that will result from the two other towers that are already approved.

853
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:20,800
It is also a deceptive because it doesn't say that 911 calls get heard or if a tower is busy.

854
01:05:22,500 --> 01:05:25,920
The telecom industry is infamous for their deceptive reports.

855
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,460
Don't fall for it simply throw it out.

856
01:05:28,460 --> 01:05:34,790
then vote no on this bad and unnecessary project. Thank you, Steve, have it.

857
01:05:36,260 --> 01:05:39,790
Thank you very much. All right, Kevin done.

858
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:54,300
As you know, I've been a realtor in the area of now going on 23 years. I live east of this area,

859
01:05:54,520 --> 01:06:00,260
so I drive by this intersection almost daily. If I have a phone call going on and I'm on the

860
01:06:00,260 --> 01:06:06,340
a lot. I do not lose signal dropping through that area. It may be tough to make an

861
01:06:06,340 --> 01:06:10,900
call from that corner, but I hold signal every time I drive by that intersection.

862
01:06:12,220 --> 01:06:20,380
I've done dozens of BPO's broker-price opinions for banks that want to know my opinion

863
01:06:20,380 --> 01:06:26,000
or judgment or assessment. It's actually a professional assessment of their properties

864
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:33,240
values before they put them on the market. So my opinion more than just an opinion it is a professional

865
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:33,960
assessment.

866
01:06:36,220 --> 01:06:41,320
And I can tell you with absolute certainty this MCS property values will be decreasing

867
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:49,660
significantly with that tower 30 to 40 percent from most of them. And their ability to resell these

868
01:06:49,660 --> 01:06:55,340
will be very difficult because they are a specialty build. They got a lot of high dollar material

869
01:06:55,340 --> 01:07:02,660
but they're very basic homes. They're not the smart homes that most normal people want. They're very basic, very difficult to sell.

870
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:10,180
This neighborhood's been going for 30 years. They've developed the legend.

871
01:07:10,260 --> 01:07:15,460
There's even books written about it. You probably got the copy of Snowflake, a book written about this community.

872
01:07:16,580 --> 01:07:24,800
It's got a history of being sought out as a safe haven for all these folks that have immunity deficiencies.

873
01:07:25,900 --> 01:07:29,020
If that tower goes in there, all of that's gone.

874
01:07:29,700 --> 01:07:30,840
The history's gone.

875
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:36,800
The interest of anybody with immunity problems is never going to want to live there.

876
01:07:37,220 --> 01:07:39,460
It's just going to be a disaster for this community.

877
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:46,140
The State, the County and OCAAC worked and collaborated to purchase a home on 40 acres many

878
01:07:46,140 --> 01:07:51,660
years ago and resowned it, multi-family, so they could build chemically free duplexes

879
01:07:51,660 --> 01:07:53,720
to help these folks.

880
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:02,020
It's well documented how dangerous cell towers are to our health.

881
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:08,300
It's criminal that money and power can mask that danger as if it doesn't exist.

882
01:08:09,460 --> 01:08:12,220
And also I got to let her, I just sent it to Melissa last night.

883
01:08:12,380 --> 01:08:13,080
It's a little late.

884
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:17,580
Vania Chambers is the owner of the country's store and snowflake tire.

885
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:21,320
They've got great service cell and internet.

886
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:26,540
They have no interest in a new cell tower at that intersection.

887
01:08:27,460 --> 01:08:30,000
Melissa has that email in case you are interested.

888
01:08:31,420 --> 01:08:35,440
But it's just the wrong thing to do in the wrong neighborhood.

889
01:08:36,100 --> 01:08:38,400
These folks have lived their whole life there.

890
01:08:39,100 --> 01:08:41,320
Their lives will be destroyed with that tower.

891
01:08:42,140 --> 01:08:43,620
And I can guarantee it.

892
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:12,630
Good morning.

893
01:09:14,410 --> 01:09:15,570
In

894
01:09:19,950 --> 01:09:26,830
2001, the Board approved the zoning change for the white envelope section of

895
01:09:26,830 --> 01:09:29,610
Kancho Highway from rural to commercial.

896
01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:34,530
That was Resolution 72-01.

897
01:09:37,250 --> 01:09:44,830
The resolution included a stipulation that would exclude environmentally questionable uses

898
01:09:44,830 --> 01:09:49,050
that otherwise would be allowed in CRZoning.

899
01:09:50,370 --> 01:09:55,030
I mentioned this on a previous letter of September 22nd to the board.

900
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:02,240
Well, especially if you permit might be override the exclusions.

901
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:08,460
The board put in this stipulation to create a zone of environmental safety

902
01:10:08,460 --> 01:10:11,200
despite being zone commercial.

903
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:18,160
The cell tower would be end admissible under the intent of this resolution,

904
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:26,820
as areas close proximity to the tower are inherently unsafe.

905
01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:35,120
The board should deny this application to comply with the intent of its own zoning change.

906
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:44,800
Furthermore, another Navajo County document is on an ordinance, Section 2521 and paragraph

907
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:55,940
I under application requirements says existing wireless facilities must be shown to be

908
01:10:55,940 --> 01:10:58,960
inadequate for reasonable commercial coverage.

909
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:04,040
In June of last year, the Board approved the Black Nacer Tower.

910
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:10,920
According to its application, it was to have been completed by the end of last year,

911
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:16,740
but according to locals in the Cedar Hills area, the tower is still not operational.

912
01:11:19,890 --> 01:11:28,850
What that application states, the Black Nacer Tower, which is close to five miles from the proposed landlope tower,

913
01:11:28,850 --> 01:11:38,470
is that it would provide much-needed coverage to the rural edge area which extends east of Snowflate to the county line.

914
01:11:39,650 --> 01:11:46,770
And map is included in the up proposal, which shows coverage mostly to Snowflake.

915
01:11:47,690 --> 01:11:52,050
That would easily encompass the white cantaloupe coverage area.

916
01:11:52,050 --> 01:12:02,110
If that tower were active, SVA's drive test might not have shown deficiencies. Building a second tower

917
01:12:02,110 --> 01:12:08,270
when an approved one might be adequate does not meet the requirements of the ordinance.

918
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:18,000
I think for this, these two reasons you should deny the application. Thank you.

919
01:12:22,380 --> 01:12:24,360
Do you have a Susan Molly?

920
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:30,800
Yeah, she's got a command.

921
01:12:34,570 --> 01:12:35,490
Susan Molly.

922
01:12:56,900 --> 01:12:59,240
Good morning to the board chair.

923
01:13:02,130 --> 01:13:03,370
My name is Susan Maloy.

924
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:06,530
That's M-O-L-L-O-Y.

925
01:13:07,490 --> 01:13:08,290
For the record.

926
01:13:08,970 --> 01:13:14,030
I'm living at 865-7 Hansa Trail in Snowflake,

927
01:13:14,850 --> 01:13:17,710
in the neighborhood that's proposed

928
01:13:17,710 --> 01:13:20,070
as a site for the cell tower.

929
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:33,010
I think it's a grave mistake to be considering installing a cell tower at that site.

930
01:13:33,390 --> 01:13:36,210
I have a lot of reasons for saying that.

931
01:13:36,510 --> 01:13:43,610
I anticipate that putting the cell tower there will have serious consequences.

932
01:13:45,010 --> 01:13:50,930
Not just for those of us who live there and who depend on that neighborhood for a very survival.

933
01:13:50,930 --> 01:14:00,410
But for other people who don't know yet, no one is born with the kinds of disabilities

934
01:14:00,410 --> 01:14:06,390
that I have, or some of my neighbors have, we're not born with this.

935
01:14:08,580 --> 01:14:18,560
It happens to people, I surprise, I hope it doesn't happen to you or your families or the

936
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,020
other people in our neighborhood who will be exposed.

937
01:14:24,580 --> 01:14:28,620
I've written down a lot of very good and sensible ideas.

938
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:39,420
And right now I'll have to assume that maybe you've read some of the things that we've sent to you during the past few days.

939
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:43,780
So I'll spare you my sensible ideas.

940
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,040
The main message that I'd like to give you all today

941
01:14:55,180 --> 01:14:59,320
is that their equipment, SBA and Verizon's equipment.

942
01:15:00,850 --> 01:15:12,710
If constructed near to where we live, especially at that junction, will very, very, seriously degrade and

943
01:15:12,710 --> 01:15:22,390
devalue our neighborhood, and would pose an impediment to critically important public services and

944
01:15:22,390 --> 01:15:28,250
services for me as I expect it will for many others.

945
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:32,860
As a way of

946
01:15:32,860 --> 01:15:33,860
trying to parallel,

947
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:42,220
I'd like to mention that if I were, if I were in your

948
01:15:42,220 --> 01:15:52,670
chairs and you were out here and you were here injecting to a plan to install a

949
01:15:54,110 --> 01:16:03,750
a pig farm lagoon up when from your house and I were there in your chairs.

950
01:16:04,670 --> 01:16:14,350
I could say, legally, and I'd be entitled to say, but it's legal to put a lagoon up

951
01:16:14,350 --> 01:16:23,310
when from your houses, it's legal in Arizona and most of the country to do that and you

952
01:16:23,310 --> 01:16:25,270
don't have any rights here.

953
01:16:25,790 --> 01:16:28,610
We know you have health issues, everybody does,

954
01:16:33,250 --> 01:16:37,370
but the situation is that it will make you sick

955
01:16:37,370 --> 01:16:40,550
and we are so terribly sorry,

956
01:16:41,390 --> 01:16:43,870
but this is a right to farm area,

957
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:47,170
so you're out of luck,

958
01:16:47,930 --> 01:16:50,030
and I don't want to hear that from you today, please.

959
01:16:50,770 --> 01:16:53,210
Thank you for your time, thanks for presenting.

960
01:16:53,210 --> 01:16:56,250
All right, our next one is Deborah.

961
01:17:15,190 --> 01:17:15,390
Good morning.

962
01:17:16,590 --> 01:17:20,930
I have spent a lot of time in that community.

963
01:17:21,950 --> 01:17:24,370
I'm, you know, myself, I'm an ex,

964
01:17:24,770 --> 01:17:25,490
I'm a medical engineer.

965
01:17:27,270 --> 01:17:31,210
And, you know,

966
01:17:31,730 --> 01:17:34,170
Navajo County Board,

967
01:17:36,370 --> 01:17:36,890
you know,

968
01:17:36,970 --> 01:17:41,770
if they choose to approve this cell tower,

969
01:17:42,930 --> 01:17:46,110
I don't think it would be in their best interest.

970
01:17:47,490 --> 01:17:53,950
The Telecommunications Act was written by the wireless corporations and lobbied through

971
01:17:53,950 --> 01:17:59,470
the US government because the wireless technology does cause health issues.

972
01:18:00,830 --> 01:18:06,530
This is the same playbook as the cigarette and the pharmaceutical industries.

973
01:18:07,870 --> 01:18:14,050
SBA slash Verizon have failed the prove that there is a coverage gap.

974
01:18:15,130 --> 01:18:21,810
Therefore the necessity of this proposed tower at COCHO Highway and white antlope is not

975
01:18:21,810 --> 01:18:22,310
proven.

976
01:18:24,740 --> 01:18:28,360
Residents within the special needs and environmental community

977
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:32,750
are medically and legally

978
01:18:32,750 --> 01:18:33,550
disabled.

979
01:18:35,190 --> 01:18:44,650
be a documented records and placement of the proposed tower, will result in medical and legal

980
01:18:44,650 --> 01:18:46,670
issues for Navajo County.

981
01:18:48,430 --> 01:18:55,450
The proposed white analog cultural highway wireless tower is going to be a main communication

982
01:18:55,450 --> 01:19:00,950
hub between the inline towers that are already there.

983
01:19:02,350 --> 01:19:11,210
This communication hub tower will be more detrimental than single towers alone.

984
01:19:14,350 --> 01:19:34,190
Section 5, our Section 2521 of the Navajo County rules and regulations covers wireless communication facilities and the purpose of this section is to establish rules and regulations for the sighting of

985
01:19:34,190 --> 01:19:37,330
wireless communications facilities.

986
01:19:39,930 --> 01:19:44,750
The number one, number one under this heading

987
01:19:45,950 --> 01:19:50,170
is considering the public health, safety, and welfare.

988
01:19:51,730 --> 01:19:55,570
I guess maybe Navajo County forgot about that

989
01:19:55,570 --> 01:19:59,630
when they're looking at sighting for this neighborhood.

990
01:20:03,300 --> 01:20:11,820
And number over the long term fiber cable is the solution that Navajo County may want

991
01:20:11,820 --> 01:20:20,640
to look into its less capital intensive over the long term 100 times faster than wireless,

992
01:20:21,580 --> 01:20:27,200
more reliable, and resilient, more positive of our security and privacy.

993
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:36,620
Deborah. Deborah. And if the County Board of Supervisors chooses to approve this tower,

994
01:20:38,740 --> 01:20:49,520
I feel this is my personal opinion. I feel that Navajo County should refund the taxes

995
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:56,780
of everyone in that neighborhood who's medically and legally disabled for the entire time

996
01:20:56,780 --> 01:21:01,220
they've moved there. Debra, you're out of time. Thank you very much for what you

997
01:21:01,220 --> 01:21:08,460
presented today. Verizon, Debra, and SBA should pay all the residents there.

998
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:15,620
Debra, I'm sorry. I know you can't hear that's fine. You're out of time. Thank you very much.

999
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:19,220
We really do appreciate you sharing what you have. Thank you.

1000
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:23,800
All right, Melinda Wilson.

1001
01:21:35,290 --> 01:21:44,170
Thank you for this opportunity to speak. My name is Melinda Wilson. I live at 8333 Rock

1002
01:21:44,170 --> 01:21:50,230
in our Ranch Trail, Snowflake, Arizona, in the White Antelope community of people who like

1003
01:21:50,230 --> 01:21:57,870
me are unusually sensitive to electromagnetic fields and radio frequencies broadcast by cell

1004
01:21:57,870 --> 01:22:00,490
powers to the point of disability.

1005
01:22:01,870 --> 01:22:07,690
Twenty people from around the country who have been considering moving here have sent letters

1006
01:22:07,690 --> 01:22:12,750
to the board that they will not move here if the SBA tower is built.

1007
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:17,150
Here are three short quotes from the letters they sent.

1008
01:22:17,850 --> 01:22:24,210
Orion Crawford says, I routinely watch the real estate listings for the Snowflake Environmental

1009
01:22:24,210 --> 01:22:25,490
Hill community.

1010
01:22:25,490 --> 01:22:38,750
I am interested in buying a home there, shows them specifically to minimize my exposure to chemicals and to electromagnetic fields, such as those produced by cellular towers.

1011
01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:46,530
The operation of a cellular tower in this neighborhood is an immediate disqualification in my search.

1012
01:22:47,250 --> 01:22:54,230
Kaila Johnson says, I am strongly considering moving to Snowflake due to the specific building

1013
01:22:54,230 --> 01:22:59,410
formats, location of this community, and distance from cell towers.

1014
01:23:00,190 --> 01:23:06,610
The property in Snowflake will no longer be of any value to me or others like me if intrusions

1015
01:23:06,610 --> 01:23:12,510
such as this cell tower are built so close to this community, and I personally, Melinda,

1016
01:23:12,510 --> 01:23:20,430
would add, right at the only place where anyone could get in and out of the community and would

1017
01:23:20,430 --> 01:23:22,950
have to wait there for passing traffic.

1018
01:23:25,050 --> 01:23:30,750
And would have to get a PO box instead of their mailbox but that would be the least of

1019
01:23:30,750 --> 01:23:31,390
the concerns.

1020
01:23:32,650 --> 01:23:38,610
Barbara Seely says the community in Snowflake is one of the few safer living areas in the

1021
01:23:38,610 --> 01:23:46,290
I did states thanks to the special construction materials used in the homes there and the absence of cell phone towers.

1022
01:23:47,050 --> 01:23:52,990
I have been considering a move to this area for those very reasons. If a cell tower is erected,

1023
01:23:53,310 --> 01:23:58,230
I would not be able to consider living there. And that's the end of those quotes.

1024
01:23:58,230 --> 01:24:06,130
I personally, Melinda, have lived here in this special white antelope community for 12 years.

1025
01:24:06,590 --> 01:24:12,910
In low-income rental housing financed by the federal department of housing and urban development,

1026
01:24:13,470 --> 01:24:17,770
and by the Arizona Department of Housing, four people like me.

1027
01:24:18,430 --> 01:24:21,010
This is government-funded rental housing,

1028
01:24:21,010 --> 01:24:29,190
especially designed to shield against electromagnetic fields and radio frequencies of the type broadcast by cell towers.

1029
01:24:30,050 --> 01:24:39,070
It rents only to chemically and electrically sensitive people, and for years there has been a long waiting list to get into this housing.

1030
01:24:40,430 --> 01:24:49,970
Now I have already submitted documentation showing HUD funding and Arizona Department of Housing funding and ongoing involvement in this property.

1031
01:24:49,970 --> 01:24:55,990
I have also submitted physician letters that supported my application for this housing.

1032
01:24:56,290 --> 01:24:57,990
Melinda, we're out of time.

1033
01:24:58,330 --> 01:24:58,570
Okay.

1034
01:24:58,890 --> 01:24:59,690
Thank you very much.

1035
01:24:59,690 --> 01:25:00,970
I really appreciate it.

1036
01:25:01,930 --> 01:25:02,210
All right.

1037
01:25:02,630 --> 01:25:03,630
Let's move on to Gary.

1038
01:25:17,630 --> 01:25:19,990
I'm an electrically sensitive person.

1039
01:25:21,150 --> 01:25:24,710
I came from Chicago where I worked at the Chicago Board Options Exchange.

1040
01:25:24,730 --> 01:25:28,330
I had my own business there for 20 years.

1041
01:25:29,530 --> 01:25:36,410
I was surrounded by electrical impulses from the Semination of quotes across the country.

1042
01:25:37,130 --> 01:25:38,210
I filled orders.

1043
01:25:47,300 --> 01:25:53,100
I went to see a doctor and the doctor, they have no idea what to do.

1044
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:57,180
The only answer to this problem is avoidance.

1045
01:25:57,180 --> 01:26:06,100
And we need to keep our, that what keeps us safe in our community is distance from anything

1046
01:26:06,100 --> 01:26:07,000
electrical.

1047
01:26:14,710 --> 01:26:19,810
I have a list of testimonials that presented to,

1048
01:26:22,810 --> 01:26:26,910
I'm not going to read, let you know about

1049
01:26:26,910 --> 01:26:35,650
in particular that is pretty significant, and we do have a website, and this website is produced

1050
01:26:35,650 --> 01:26:43,210
by a lady by the name of Blindahan, down she lives down in Oral Valley, it's a monthly

1051
01:26:43,210 --> 01:26:49,250
bulletin that advertises for people looking for less electrically sensitive areas.

1052
01:26:49,250 --> 01:27:00,250
these people come in to her with requests, and over the years I've been there 17 years.

1053
01:27:01,830 --> 01:27:06,910
I can't tell you as a number of people I've seen from different states, countries,

1054
01:27:08,250 --> 01:27:12,110
Oman, Spain, Copenhagen,

1055
01:27:14,410 --> 01:27:19,230
from east to west in north to south of nationalities, people

1056
01:27:19,230 --> 01:27:23,470
begging for mercy because they're sick,

1057
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:30,630
they have issues, they have birth defects, whatever.

1058
01:27:33,570 --> 01:27:38,590
And I've lived there 17 years, and I guess I consider myself lucky.

1059
01:27:40,250 --> 01:27:48,710
And so Melinda Han, she says, her bolts and provides housing ads for especially built homes,

1060
01:27:49,490 --> 01:27:52,090
and those who cannot live in typical housing.

1061
01:27:53,230 --> 01:27:59,610
If a tower to be built at the corner of White Handelope and Contro Highway, I would not be

1062
01:27:59,610 --> 01:28:04,790
able to list any of the homes there in my bolt and as they would no longer be safe.

1063
01:28:12,430 --> 01:28:13,090
Thank you, Gary.

1064
01:28:13,090 --> 01:28:15,370
Good morning

1065
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:25,500
board and thank you for the opportunity to speak. I like Kevin Dunn also sell

1066
01:28:25,500 --> 01:28:32,960
real estate in the area but I don't I agree with Kevin 100% that the real estate values

1067
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:39,460
will decrease because if the South Tower is put in place these folks will not be able to live

1068
01:28:39,460 --> 01:28:47,540
their health, we're not allowed it. But I want to talk about a story. My husband and I moved

1069
01:28:47,540 --> 01:28:53,440
here about 14 years ago, and we bought the heritage in bed and breakfast in Snowflake,

1070
01:28:54,840 --> 01:29:00,480
and we were having a particularly quiet time, and I had a phone call from a gal who was

1071
01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:07,780
in Canada, and she should have been living in her car because she couldn't live anywhere else.

1072
01:29:07,780 --> 01:29:13,740
And she asked if we would turn the self at the Wi-Fi off at the bed and breakfast.

1073
01:29:14,660 --> 01:29:17,260
We were very quiet and we said yes.

1074
01:29:17,700 --> 01:29:19,560
I thought it was an odd request.

1075
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:21,300
I didn't understand it.

1076
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:26,280
But we said yes, and we allowed Million Charlie to stay with us.

1077
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:35,100
I did have connection at that time with some of the folks here to try and find Millie somewhere

1078
01:29:35,100 --> 01:29:42,700
live that she could live safely. They did manage to find somewhere. And Millian Charlie

1079
01:29:42,700 --> 01:29:49,040
became friends of ours. They were super, super nice people. And they came back one time,

1080
01:29:49,220 --> 01:29:54,820
it was over Thanksgiving, we had a meal with them. And I actually ended up selling their

1081
01:29:54,820 --> 01:29:59,860
property, they moved to New Mexico. Millie was cured.

1082
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:10,820
By living in our area. I didn't know this, but she was suicidal. She was going to take her own life because she was so sick.

1083
01:30:11,340 --> 01:30:22,120
She had been made sick prior to mold, and because of mold, and she became sensitive to the EMF frequencies.

1084
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:30,960
And so I just want you to consider you mentioned earlier having compassion for other people.

1085
01:30:31,300 --> 01:30:34,820
I would just urge you to be compassionate in this decision.

1086
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:42,500
There's a lot of people I think some person in the who's also opposing it has done some research.

1087
01:30:43,060 --> 01:30:50,320
There's about 35% of the homes in that area that are built purposefully for people with environmental illness.

1088
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:59,320
those homes will get sold. The value of those homes is going to diminish drastically because

1089
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:05,180
if you have 35 percent of the homes going on the market all at one time the value is going

1090
01:31:05,180 --> 01:31:11,900
to go down it justice. I also very briefly there was a little bit of a contradiction in the report

1091
01:31:11,900 --> 01:31:19,280
earlier said this is a developing area and then in the same conversation he also said that a

1092
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:27,240
as couldn't find comparable sales. That is a direct contradiction. You know, the area is developing

1093
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:30,920
but it is not dramatic, so thank you for your time.

1094
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:32,960
Thank you, John. Appreciate your comments.

1095
01:31:34,480 --> 01:31:38,500
All right, Carla, for the more. Thank you.

1096
01:31:41,220 --> 01:31:41,740
Good morning.

1097
01:31:43,780 --> 01:31:48,740
I'm opposed to this tower. I live south of the area indicated. I live south of Kancho.

1098
01:31:49,780 --> 01:31:57,560
We moved here a year and a half ago and if this tower goes in I will have full view of it out my sliding glass doors and off my deck.

1099
01:31:58,700 --> 01:32:03,400
If this tower existed when I was looking for my home I would not have purchased my home.

1100
01:32:03,980 --> 01:32:07,520
I don't need to look out and see technology I'd rather look at trees.

1101
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:14,260
The FCC's decision that towers cannot be declined based on health.

1102
01:32:14,260 --> 01:32:18,480
A fan rather confusing, so I went and looked at it.

1103
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:25,380
The FCC is basing this off of 1992 and 1996 data.

1104
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:27,460
It has not been updated since.

1105
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:30,500
No one has looked at this since then.

1106
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:32,400
And now we have cell phone proliferation.

1107
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:34,100
We didn't then.

1108
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:36,400
I didn't have a cell phone then.

1109
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,080
When the telecommunications act was passed,

1110
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:50,140
all 177 pages of it if anyone has actually read it, the knowledge of what EMF does to humans

1111
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:51,340
was not known.

1112
01:32:51,380 --> 01:32:55,940
It was a 2 to 2.75 g at that point.

1113
01:32:56,240 --> 01:33:01,240
We're now up to 45 and 6 g and no one's updated any of this information.

1114
01:33:05,020 --> 01:33:08,560
I personally have Verizon.

1115
01:33:09,900 --> 01:33:13,500
I live south of this indication where the gentleman said,

1116
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:16,960
you had to put your finger up in the air if you wanted service.

1117
01:33:17,860 --> 01:33:18,340
Not true.

1118
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:21,720
One of the areas that he says was purple and pink,

1119
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:24,240
I have self service.

1120
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:27,180
I have great self service from my house to my garage.

1121
01:33:29,270 --> 01:33:29,950
I really,

1122
01:33:31,550 --> 01:33:35,490
and saddened that this is happening in this community.

1123
01:33:35,490 --> 01:33:38,390
I moved here for acreage and for peace and quiet.

1124
01:33:38,790 --> 01:33:42,490
I didn't move here to have to move again if this goes in.

1125
01:33:43,910 --> 01:33:45,330
I don't want my health affected.

1126
01:33:46,150 --> 01:33:46,790
I am odd women.

1127
01:33:47,490 --> 01:33:48,750
I do not live in the community.

1128
01:33:50,710 --> 01:33:52,670
But I will move again if I have to.

1129
01:33:52,990 --> 01:33:53,090
Thanks.

1130
01:33:57,680 --> 01:33:58,120
Thank you.

1131
01:33:58,180 --> 01:34:00,140
I'll go to Scott Killingsworth.

1132
01:34:04,750 --> 01:34:05,270
He's online.

1133
01:34:05,690 --> 01:34:07,810
Melissa's pulling it up right now.

1134
01:34:08,650 --> 01:34:10,570
Can you hear me now?

1135
01:34:11,310 --> 01:34:12,030
We can hear you.

1136
01:34:12,030 --> 01:34:18,930
Okay, wonderful. Wonderful. Well, first of all, thank you. My name is Scott Killingsworth,

1137
01:34:20,050 --> 01:34:28,430
8558, Garden Home Trail in Snowflake, and just to follow up on Realtor Kevin Dunn's presentation,

1138
01:34:29,270 --> 01:34:37,290
he submitted data to the county last week that we all should have received, demonstrating the difference

1139
01:34:37,290 --> 01:34:44,690
and pricing between the average difference in price between the houses of the sensitive

1140
01:34:45,290 --> 01:34:49,270
versus the non-sensitive in our area.

1141
01:34:49,770 --> 01:34:57,770
These are comparable sales in our area for the same year from 2017 to 2022.

1142
01:34:58,750 --> 01:35:05,730
There were seven sales of sensitive houses with an average price for

1143
01:35:05,730 --> 01:35:15,670
workload of $235, and he found 10 comparable sales of non-sensitive houses, an average

1144
01:35:16,970 --> 01:35:19,450
$127 per square foot.

1145
01:35:20,910 --> 01:35:27,050
So these are significant number, excuse me, of properties, and very significant differences

1146
01:35:27,050 --> 01:35:27,850
in the pricing.

1147
01:35:27,850 --> 01:35:48,830
And, you know, why is that the case, because our homes or custom and specialty bill, it's the only neighborhood of its time and recovery, and so it's a special housing special features that add price and it's a unique situation in the whole country.

1148
01:35:48,830 --> 01:35:54,350
They're just as not another neighborhood like this anywhere, and so that's why you have the difference

1149
01:35:54,350 --> 01:36:01,630
If that tower goes in and you've heard some of the voices from the Linda and Dairy of our perspective

1150
01:36:01,630 --> 01:36:08,190
Market that people who would buy our houses are saying this tower going to send no, we're not going to move there

1151
01:36:08,190 --> 01:36:13,610
Well those are the people who would buy our houses, so if they don't buy our houses, then who does?

1152
01:36:13,610 --> 01:36:23,350
Well, people who don't appreciate the special features that we've incorporated here and so we would that difference between two thirty-five

1153
01:36:23,890 --> 01:36:27,690
First square foot versus one twenty-seven that could be a very

1154
01:36:28,590 --> 01:36:37,170
You know tangible material loss of value of our homes when we sell them and that is real material arm and

1155
01:36:37,170 --> 01:36:43,010
Substantiveness of of why this tower should not go in

1156
01:36:43,770 --> 01:36:52,870
So, one other thing I want to mention is that Mr. Kennedy and his presentation, it was

1157
01:36:52,870 --> 01:36:59,370
somewhat misleading because talking about the coverage in the area, he failed to mention

1158
01:36:59,370 --> 01:37:05,610
that Verizon has been approved for a new tower at Blacknessa, which is four miles east

1159
01:37:05,610 --> 01:37:12,690
on Chau Highway, and they're also planning to add a transmitter to the existing tower at

1160
01:37:16,730 --> 01:37:28,990
So if you feel like SBA Verizon is pretending that these towers do not exist and will not exist in order to justify a need for a tower at White Antelope Road.

1161
01:37:29,370 --> 01:37:31,730
Scott, we're at the three minute mark now.

1162
01:37:32,590 --> 01:37:33,750
Thank you very much.

1163
01:37:35,110 --> 01:37:35,510
Thank you.

1164
01:37:35,910 --> 01:37:37,570
We really appreciate it.

1165
01:37:38,050 --> 01:37:38,210
All right.

1166
01:37:38,210 --> 01:37:41,370
We're going to move on to Diana Susslope.

1167
01:37:44,910 --> 01:37:45,450
She's online.

1168
01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:52,300
Any of you here, Nancy? Oh, yeah, there you go. You're pulling it up.

1169
01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:56,950
Diana, they're pulling you out here so we can see you.

1170
01:38:01,260 --> 01:38:03,160
Good morning, Chairman and Supervisors.

1171
01:38:03,900 --> 01:38:07,700
I respectfully urge you to deny the cell tower application before reasons.

1172
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:13,660
There's strong community opposition evidence by written and verbal community representation.

1173
01:38:13,660 --> 01:38:18,720
They will reduce our property values by 30 to 40 percent.

1174
01:38:19,460 --> 01:38:25,600
There is a lack of coverage need, and aesthetically, the tower will be ugly and unwelping.

1175
01:38:26,940 --> 01:38:32,560
The conscious highway and white antelope intersection may be the least expensive option for SBA,

1176
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:37,960
but the board has been provided that it's efficient evidence that if the cat tower is constructed,

1177
01:38:38,460 --> 01:38:40,420
they will depreciate our property significantly.

1178
01:38:40,420 --> 01:38:45,360
You have 20 letters from the community of NHS people,

1179
01:38:45,480 --> 01:38:48,720
our potential customers who state that they would not buy

1180
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:51,320
our properties at the towers in place.

1181
01:38:52,100 --> 01:38:57,540
I've noticed the fact that we have no option to move our mailboxes

1182
01:38:57,540 --> 01:38:59,980
to have another way to get out of our neighborhood.

1183
01:39:01,620 --> 01:39:04,100
Youth in presented expert opinions from realtors,

1184
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:07,580
Kevin Dunn, and Joanne Gooddrian.

1185
01:39:07,580 --> 01:39:10,520
For many of us, our homes are our main asset.

1186
01:39:11,060 --> 01:39:13,520
We need solutions that benefit all residents,

1187
01:39:13,980 --> 01:39:17,180
not just the bottom line of the telecommunications companies.

1188
01:39:18,900 --> 01:39:20,580
The application contains, quote,

1189
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:23,580
a lack of adherence to requirements and legislative intent

1190
01:39:24,120 --> 01:39:27,780
as noted in the brief submitted by our attorney Andrew Camp Nou.

1191
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:31,580
The applicant bailed to meet the very minimal requirements

1192
01:39:31,580 --> 01:39:34,860
that exist for a cell tower application in Navajo County.

1193
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:47,380
SPA has not proven that any gap in coverage cannot be addressed by the already approved existing cell tower location of Black Mesa and the already existing location of snowflake heights.

1194
01:39:47,980 --> 01:39:50,440
They can strengthen that tower.

1195
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:55,800
In rural areas of 5G cell tower is effective for radius of up to 10 miles.

1196
01:39:56,140 --> 01:40:00,600
So there's no question that reliable 911 services can be provided.

1197
01:40:02,500 --> 01:40:08,560
SBA wants you to accept their very impressive engineer statement that the tower has to be in that location.

1198
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:15,180
But please consider the alternatives before making a decision that will negatively affect our community's future.

1199
01:40:16,260 --> 01:40:23,000
Also, SBA did not submit electrical drives, so public safety has not been ensured in this most basic way.

1200
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:30,600
Please keep in mind that once and 120 fat hours approved, SBA can add another 20B without requesting

1201
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:32,080
approval for that addition.

1202
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:37,680
In conclusion, you have sufficient evidence and legal grounds to deny this matter.

1203
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:42,260
I urge you to prioritize the well-being of Snowflake residents.

1204
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:48,320
Deny this tower application to protect our property values, preserve our community character,

1205
01:40:48,820 --> 01:40:50,880
and ensure that our voices are heard.

1206
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:51,580
Thank you.

1207
01:40:53,670 --> 01:40:58,830
Thank you, Diana. All the rest of these are going to be on Zoom. So we have a Michelle.

1208
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:18,800
Good morning. My name is Nina Beaty. Consideration of the White Annelow Fireless Communication Facility

1209
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:22,840
is fundamentally a civil rights issue and a disabled rights issue.

1210
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:28,420
I request that you deny the project on the basis that it would discriminate against members of a protected

1211
01:41:28,420 --> 01:41:33,340
class who civil rights are protected by the state of Arizona and federal laws.

1212
01:41:34,940 --> 01:41:40,560
The telecommunications act is not void or invalidate those civil rights or the rules enacted

1213
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:44,280
by Congress and the Arizona legislature to protect these individuals.

1214
01:41:45,060 --> 01:41:52,220
It states in Section 601, C1, federal state and local laws, no implied effect.

1215
01:41:52,700 --> 01:41:57,560
This act and the amendments made by this act shall not be construed to modify, impair,

1216
01:41:57,560 --> 01:42:03,180
or supersedes federal state or local law unless expressly so-provided in such act or

1217
01:42:03,180 --> 01:42:03,640
amendments.

1218
01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:11,140
And in 47 U.S.C. 414, it states that nothing in this act contains shell and anyway

1219
01:42:11,140 --> 01:42:16,380
a bridge or alter the remedies now existing at common law or by statute, but the provisions

1220
01:42:16,380 --> 01:42:18,940
of this act are in addition to such remedies.

1221
01:42:20,580 --> 01:42:25,320
The facility would block these disabled people's access to their homes, the only access

1222
01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:32,260
road and to essential services and federal facilities, which are their mailboxes.

1223
01:42:33,420 --> 01:42:39,820
So, Americans with Disabilities Act and the Amendment Act, the Fair Housing Act, state rules,

1224
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:44,360
disabilities, civil rights, protected class, and the issue of discrimination were not considered

1225
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:49,400
by the board or mentioned by the county staff at the September 24th hearing, even those

1226
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:53,960
The county accepted the disabled status of a number of these individuals who asked for

1227
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:57,580
and were granted disabled accommodations, so they could test five remotely.

1228
01:42:58,140 --> 01:43:03,040
It was not mentioned by the applicant at this hearing, but it was mentioned at the private hearing.

1229
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:09,800
My letter and a group letter submitted were not included in today's packet that includes these issues.

1230
01:43:12,390 --> 01:43:21,810
Americans with Disability Act states in Section 35, Section 130, Subpart B, general prohibitions

1231
01:43:21,810 --> 01:43:26,410
against discrimination, no qualified individual with the disability shell and the basis

1232
01:43:26,410 --> 01:43:31,850
of disability be excluded from participation in or be denied the benefits of the services,

1233
01:43:32,450 --> 01:43:38,190
programs or activities of a public entity, or be subjected to discrimination by any public

1234
01:43:38,190 --> 01:43:44,830
and it's improving the special permit would discriminate against these individuals and the

1235
01:43:44,830 --> 01:43:49,790
program services and activities include housing and the public roads and the right of ways

1236
01:43:49,790 --> 01:43:55,130
that the county has access over. The fair housing and fair housing amendments act also

1237
01:43:55,130 --> 01:44:00,630
protect disabled persons from discrimination and access to home and the use of enjoyment of

1238
01:44:00,630 --> 01:44:06,410
homes as this Arizona law 41, 1491, 0.19.

1239
01:44:07,530 --> 01:44:10,330
The county and state funded specially constructed,

1240
01:44:10,930 --> 01:44:14,690
specialized homes for these disabled people as a disabled accommodation,

1241
01:44:15,390 --> 01:44:19,390
approving this wireless facility with block these individuals active

1242
01:44:19,390 --> 01:44:21,890
to the use and enjoyment of their specially constructed,

1243
01:44:22,290 --> 01:44:25,510
publicly funded homes built for people like them.

1244
01:44:25,570 --> 01:44:27,710
This would discriminate against them.

1245
01:44:27,710 --> 01:44:42,210
By proving this wireless facilities, the county would also, in effect, be redlining this area, and it's especially built accessible homes, and effectively evicting these known disabled persons from their homes, from food for whom they were built.

1246
01:44:43,350 --> 01:44:45,790
If you're housing amendment, act is very specific.

1247
01:44:46,330 --> 01:44:46,650
Nina?

1248
01:44:46,850 --> 01:44:48,490
We're now at the three minute mark.

1249
01:44:48,750 --> 01:44:51,970
What it entails, please deny this project on this basis.

1250
01:44:52,230 --> 01:44:52,770
Thank you.

1251
01:44:52,770 --> 01:44:58,450
Thank you Nina appreciate it. That was Nina and BD appreciate it. We're now gonna move to

1252
01:45:04,240 --> 01:45:09,240
Hello, can you see in here me? Yes, we can. Thank you.

1253
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:16,060
Thank you for the opportunity to speak. I urge you to deny the self-tower application at the intersection

1254
01:45:16,060 --> 01:45:22,580
of conchal highway in white envelope. This decision will protect our community from significant harm

1255
01:45:22,580 --> 01:45:28,300
while presenting no measurable loss for the horizon. Let's first consider a horizon scale,

1256
01:45:28,300 --> 01:45:36,080
With 114 million customers and 134 billion in revenue last year, Verizon is one of the largest

1257
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:38,480
telecommunication companies in the world.

1258
01:45:39,140 --> 01:45:43,420
The entire population of Snowflake is around 6600 people.

1259
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:49,300
Even if every resident here were a Verizon customer, which we know is not the case, we would

1260
01:45:49,300 --> 01:45:54,560
still represent a mere 0.005% of their customer base.

1261
01:45:54,560 --> 01:46:01,320
On this rural road, the number of impacted users shrinks further likely to just a few hundred.

1262
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:08,120
A tower at this location simply isn't critical to Verizon's operations or bottom line.

1263
01:46:08,760 --> 01:46:12,700
Contrast that with the devastating impact the tower will have in our community.

1264
01:46:14,180 --> 01:46:22,700
Research shows that cell towers can experience poverty value declines up to 20% in areas that are more urban

1265
01:46:22,700 --> 01:46:27,740
urban and not like snowflakes, unique population like you've heard others testify.

1266
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:37,320
That decrease in property values is not just a number. It's a loss of lifetime of hard work, savings,

1267
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:42,400
and future financial security. It would turn the American dream into a nightmare.

1268
01:46:43,480 --> 01:46:49,240
Verizon has alternatives. They can strengthen their existing towers, rely on shared infrastructure,

1269
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:56,980
such as authnet or the already approved cell phone tower sites and improvements that were mentioned by other

1270
01:46:56,980 --> 01:47:04,100
by others today. These options would enhance coverage without adding unnecessary infrastructure.

1271
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:10,860
The existing network can serve snowflakes needs without forcing our community to sacrifice its

1272
01:47:10,860 --> 01:47:17,560
property values and character for redundant installation. Let's be clear, denying this application

1273
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:23,960
would have no meaningful impact on Verizon's financial help or service delivery. But improving it

1274
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:29,860
would impose lasting down-age on snowflakes residents. The numbers speak for themselves. Verizon

1275
01:47:29,860 --> 01:47:36,060
doesn't need this tower that we can afford as consequences. I urge you to prioritize the well

1276
01:47:36,060 --> 01:47:42,020
being of snowflakes citizens over the marginal interests of a corporate giant. Please deny this

1277
01:47:42,020 --> 01:47:44,020
Thank you.

1278
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:46,400
Thank you.

1279
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:48,080
Appreciate your time.

1280
01:47:48,340 --> 01:47:49,100
Thank you very much.

1281
01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:51,780
We're going out to Naomi, Larsen.

1282
01:48:07,390 --> 01:48:08,050
Hi there.

1283
01:48:09,230 --> 01:48:12,490
Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

1284
01:48:13,430 --> 01:48:16,370
I live at 8675 Hands to Trail,

1285
01:48:16,570 --> 01:48:21,850
which is about three miles north of the proposed location of the cell tower.

1286
01:48:22,630 --> 01:48:51,270
I want to repeat several of the things that other people have said about property values and so on and coverage and all that, but there's something else that I'd like to mention that in case you haven't noticed many of us are up there in age, which is senior citizens, I'm 71 years old, and I was fortunate that my family helped me purchase my specially constructed home.

1287
01:48:51,270 --> 01:48:54,950
and here in 2017,

1288
01:48:57,030 --> 01:49:05,130
and I plan to age here in place as long as I'm able, and many of us do to our sense of activities,

1289
01:49:05,950 --> 01:49:13,510
are not able to transition into assisted living facilities or grants or nursing homes.

1290
01:49:13,510 --> 01:49:32,230
And so this loss of our homes here would be quite devastating and probably we would probably have to resort to being homeless or living in our vehicles or imposing on family members and that kind of thing.

1291
01:49:32,230 --> 01:49:43,450
And so I urge you to deny this cell tower permit for all the other reasons that have been mentioned by other people.

1292
01:49:44,970 --> 01:49:46,950
And let's see.

1293
01:49:49,270 --> 01:49:56,770
I guess that's about all I want to say, and thank you for considering our needs.

1294
01:49:56,770 --> 01:50:02,870
Can I urge you to do the right thing for human beings that are involved?

1295
01:50:03,290 --> 01:50:05,090
Thank you.

1296
01:50:05,310 --> 01:50:05,810
Thank you, Nick.

1297
01:50:05,950 --> 01:50:06,670
Thank you, Naomi.

1298
01:50:06,810 --> 01:50:08,150
We're going to go to Bikki now.

1299
01:50:22,300 --> 01:50:23,040
Hi there.

1300
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:27,540
Thank you so much for letting me provide some testimony.

1301
01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:36,040
I am Bikki Kistino and I represent a couple of statewide disability organizations and

1302
01:50:36,040 --> 01:50:39,560
know a couple of the residents living in your community.

1303
01:50:40,420 --> 01:50:45,560
I also operate a center for people with disabilities in southern Arizona

1304
01:50:46,440 --> 01:50:51,000
that has been seeing a growing number of people with electrical

1305
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:54,240
sensitivities and environmental illnesses

1306
01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:58,380
that were seeking affordable accessible housing

1307
01:50:58,380 --> 01:51:04,040
and would be willing to relocate if there were somewhere safe for them to move

1308
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:10,160
And even recently, I have a couple have heard about your community.

1309
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:19,580
I'm very concerned about the group of individuals with disabilities living there who live in a affordable,

1310
01:51:19,860 --> 01:51:24,220
especially constructed housing to accommodate their disabilities.

1311
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:31,960
Some of those were paid for with public funds, specifically to accommodate their disabilities.

1312
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:38,200
and then others who invested their own money. So it's alarming to learn that this small

1313
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:44,240
safe haven for people with the electrical sensitivities and environmental illness is in

1314
01:51:44,240 --> 01:51:50,400
jeopardy. I don't want to repeat things that everybody else has said and I think the

1315
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:57,640
residents there have spoken very eloquently and truthfully about their needs. But I did

1316
01:51:57,640 --> 01:52:05,740
I mentioned a couple of people brought up the FCC and when they developed their guidelines

1317
01:52:05,740 --> 01:52:13,420
and those have not been updated since 1996 and I just want to call attention to a lawsuit

1318
01:52:13,420 --> 01:52:23,040
that was filed by the Environmental Health Trust and the Children's Health Defense in 2020 and

1319
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:31,700
there was a U.S. Court of Appeals ruling in their favor, saying that the FCC ignored scientific

1320
01:52:31,700 --> 01:52:40,160
evidence and failed to provide a reasonable explanation for its 1996 determination of,

1321
01:52:40,920 --> 01:52:52,020
or not updating the 1996 regulations and a lot of research often focuses on cancer, but what

1322
01:52:52,020 --> 01:52:59,140
found in this court cases that the SEC did not provide evidence of properly examining

1323
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:07,580
non-cancer harms such as impacts to children, testimony provided by persons who have been

1324
01:53:07,580 --> 01:53:14,840
injured by wireless radiation impacts to developing brain impacts to the reproductive system

1325
01:53:14,840 --> 01:53:18,500
and impacts to wildlife and the environment.

1326
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:26,180
And so I would just encourage you to deny this application

1327
01:53:26,180 --> 01:53:30,720
because approving the facility really prioritizes business

1328
01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:34,500
and technology on the backs of people with disabilities

1329
01:53:34,500 --> 01:53:39,220
and other people in the community and as a kind of redlining

1330
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:43,360
disabled people who really desperately need the accessibility

1331
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:47,740
and safety that their community currently provides.

1332
01:53:48,020 --> 01:53:48,360
Thank you.

1333
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:50,700
We appreciate your time.

1334
01:53:51,020 --> 01:53:51,140
All right.

1335
01:53:51,240 --> 01:53:54,200
We're going to try one more time and see if Michelle's there.

1336
01:53:58,220 --> 01:53:58,920
Are you seeing her Melissa?

1337
01:54:06,100 --> 01:54:09,340
So it would appear that she's not able to be with us.

1338
01:54:09,460 --> 01:54:10,780
Was there any other slips?

1339
01:54:10,900 --> 01:54:12,300
Was there other slips I have?

1340
01:54:15,210 --> 01:54:15,550
All right.

1341
01:54:16,190 --> 01:54:18,770
So if that's all the public comments.

1342
01:54:19,430 --> 01:54:22,390
We have here, then we will close the public hearing

1343
01:54:22,390 --> 01:54:27,110
and come back to the board for discussion on the matter.

1344
01:54:28,110 --> 01:54:30,710
Any members of the board with comments or questions?

1345
01:54:32,550 --> 01:54:33,550
They'd like to discuss.

1346
01:54:36,120 --> 01:54:37,080
Supervisor Seymour.

1347
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:39,000
Thank you, Chair.

1348
01:54:39,860 --> 01:54:45,420
I want to thank that public for their decorum for the effort they put for

1349
01:54:45,420 --> 01:54:50,720
the research and the things that they shared with the council as a whole

1350
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:53,420
and for the process that they have.

1351
01:54:53,420 --> 01:55:00,760
Some of the things that I've heard today that helped me in my decision here, it really

1352
01:55:00,760 --> 01:55:06,560
comes down to, I really like the point of the civil rights and the civil rights and the

1353
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:07,760
disability at the act.

1354
01:55:08,300 --> 01:55:15,300
I think that speaks very highly that telecommunications cannot come in and override that act.

1355
01:55:16,260 --> 01:55:22,820
I also look at the economic impact of the potential that it could have on this residence

1356
01:55:22,820 --> 01:55:30,380
of this community. I look at the health and safety and the welfare that it would oppose

1357
01:55:30,380 --> 01:55:37,480
upon some of the residents who have immunity deficiencies. I think it's important that the

1358
01:55:37,480 --> 01:55:43,380
state and the federal government work together as well as the county to provide a safe haven

1359
01:55:43,380 --> 01:55:50,440
for this community. And I don't have an understanding before me I haven't researched whether

1360
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:59,320
There's 72.01 and 2521 made an exclusion or made a restriction that we would not allow

1361
01:55:59,320 --> 01:56:06,540
these type of cell towers or electronic devices that would affect their well-being and

1362
01:56:06,540 --> 01:56:07,200
their safety.

1363
01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:14,100
And I think it was wise in the prior council who talked about that.

1364
01:56:14,100 --> 01:56:22,260
I also look at the Black Mesa Tower as not then completed yet, as well as the Snowflake Heights Tower being improved.

1365
01:56:22,900 --> 01:56:30,820
And I think if those were up and running, I think it would be maybe premature to approve this until we know exactly where that's at.

1366
01:56:31,340 --> 01:56:43,340
I think we've made points that there's other areas within our state and county that are in need of cell service as much as what the applicant feels that this area is in need of.

1367
01:56:43,340 --> 01:56:51,980
And so based upon those things, I do have a hard time voting in favor of this application that we have.

1368
01:56:52,680 --> 01:56:54,420
Thank you, Supervisor Seymour.

1369
01:56:58,310 --> 01:57:06,110
So there were some legal issues that were raised talking about ADA and some other things.

1370
01:57:06,490 --> 01:57:08,970
Mr. Carline, do you mind responding to some of those?

1371
01:57:08,970 --> 01:57:18,610
I can start off with a little bit of response regardless, regardless of which way the board decides to go.

1372
01:57:18,970 --> 01:57:24,510
Supervisor Seamor, I don't think this is a civil rights issue, but I do believe there is an American's

1373
01:57:24,510 --> 01:57:27,590
but disability act issue, which are two separate things.

1374
01:57:28,250 --> 01:57:34,930
Regardless of the direction that this board decides to go to protect and create a record for a

1375
01:57:34,930 --> 01:57:40,870
review, I believe there's four areas that you'll need to address in your discussions for the

1376
01:57:40,870 --> 01:57:48,290
record. The first one more depends on which way the board decides to go. The more needs to make

1377
01:57:48,290 --> 01:57:55,070
it a termination that in the adverse decision is not the product of discrimination. So that will be

1378
01:57:55,070 --> 01:58:01,290
more if you were decide to allow the tower to go. But it's in this one of the four areas that I believe

1379
01:58:01,290 --> 01:58:04,110
that you need to address.

1380
01:58:04,350 --> 01:58:06,990
Second area is to make a determination

1381
01:58:06,990 --> 01:58:09,850
that the persons are in this case, the people,

1382
01:58:10,430 --> 01:58:14,390
a certain protection under the Americans with disability act,

1383
01:58:15,290 --> 01:58:18,850
are in fact a person protected under that statute.

1384
01:58:20,450 --> 01:58:23,050
Third, you need to make a determination

1385
01:58:23,050 --> 01:58:25,290
as to the reasonableness,

1386
01:58:25,730 --> 01:58:29,270
and the necessity of a requested accommodation.

1387
01:58:29,270 --> 01:58:36,530
In this case, their requested accommodation is to deny the cell phone tower.

1388
01:58:37,270 --> 01:58:42,990
So you will need to make that determination whether that is a reasonable and a necessary

1389
01:58:44,070 --> 01:58:46,190
accommodation that should be granted.

1390
01:58:47,810 --> 01:58:54,450
Fourth, you need to make a determination as to whether the requested relief

1391
01:58:54,450 --> 01:59:02,390
would make a fundamental change in the scheme of our comprehensive plan and our zoning ordinance.

1392
01:59:03,610 --> 01:59:06,350
So those are the four areas that you will need to address.

1393
01:59:07,630 --> 01:59:15,110
If you're not ready to address them, you can have staff address them and bring back to report on those four areas,

1394
01:59:15,590 --> 01:59:17,890
or the board can try to address them themselves.

1395
01:59:17,890 --> 01:59:31,510
But those will be the areas that will be looked at on a judicial review under the Americans with Disability Act, which either side could bring depending on which decision this board makes today.

1396
01:59:32,270 --> 01:59:42,670
In just my last comment, dropping 200 plus pages of legal stuff on our office with basically 24 hours of workday just isn't good.

1397
01:59:42,670 --> 01:59:46,750
We did not have a, I have not gone through all of it.

1398
01:59:46,850 --> 01:59:50,370
I did address, you know, did a quick look at the civil rights issues.

1399
01:59:50,990 --> 01:59:52,750
I don't believe that has any basis.

1400
01:59:53,330 --> 01:59:56,050
The ADA is the only one that has a potential bit.

1401
02:00:00,910 --> 02:00:11,270
But once again, I have not gone through all 200 pages in-depth, because I have less than 24 hours of work done. Actually, less than 8 hours of work done.

1402
02:00:15,180 --> 02:00:19,440
Thank you, Brad. Any other comments or questions from members of the board?

1403
02:00:22,780 --> 02:00:23,120
Chairman.

1404
02:00:23,640 --> 02:00:23,920
Go ahead.

1405
02:00:25,800 --> 02:00:33,220
I'm an agreement with supervisor Seymour. I think that this is a unique situation where the community

1406
02:00:33,220 --> 02:00:43,280
disabilities needs to be considered, that they have moved here exclusively for the environment

1407
02:00:43,980 --> 02:00:51,580
and this is a unique environment that is not something that we see throughout the nation or throughout the world.

1408
02:00:53,000 --> 02:00:58,780
And so I believe that those things need to be considered when we are making a decision.

1409
02:00:59,560 --> 02:01:11,220
I don't know how supervisors see mark bills, but I feel that we should table for those recommendations or for the follow-up on those four points.

1410
02:01:11,660 --> 02:01:14,420
I don't know if supervisors see mark bills that we can.

1411
02:01:14,820 --> 02:01:21,180
And I refer to supervisors see more as it's just strict and being able to be sensitive to that.

1412
02:01:21,180 --> 02:01:29,120
but I feel like that in being able to provide us information specifically on those four requirements,

1413
02:01:30,740 --> 02:01:32,080
if we're in a little patient.

1414
02:01:33,700 --> 02:01:37,900
Just clarification, it's in the supervisor who I think is district of the league.

1415
02:01:38,060 --> 02:01:39,120
I have supervisor waiting.

1416
02:01:39,420 --> 02:01:39,880
I have a pleasure.

1417
02:01:41,100 --> 02:01:41,840
That's all right.

1418
02:01:41,840 --> 02:01:43,160
Any other comments or questions?

1419
02:01:43,400 --> 02:01:44,020
Surveillance, we're now.

1420
02:01:44,340 --> 02:01:45,100
Thank you, Chair.

1421
02:01:47,060 --> 02:02:10,940
I don't know, I'm looking at the receptions, the different cell phones, have different areas of reception, and then also that one individual informed us that he drives through there all the time, and he doesn't get cut out.

1422
02:02:10,940 --> 02:02:21,160
So, I think that there is reception and there is still another tower that needs to go up and where that will cover.

1423
02:02:22,500 --> 02:02:29,720
I don't recall if we were shown where that will be that will cover.

1424
02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:38,480
So, I think that wouldn't hold off on this as per our county attorney requests.

1425
02:02:40,870 --> 02:02:41,470
Thank you.

1426
02:02:42,070 --> 02:02:43,710
Thank you, Vice Chairwoman.

1427
02:02:44,270 --> 02:02:48,830
Any other comments or questions, sort of a consideration to table?

1428
02:02:49,630 --> 02:02:53,870
I'm in any other comments, I have some comments, I don't make so a couple things.

1429
02:02:53,970 --> 02:02:59,730
Thank you for those that took the time to be able to come and speak both those four and those that are against.

1430
02:03:01,230 --> 02:03:06,110
It's my experience that some of the things that we'd requested last time, that has been met.

1431
02:03:06,210 --> 02:03:10,630
Meaning people are gone, listen to the things that we'd asked to kind of review and look at.

1432
02:03:10,630 --> 02:03:12,150
Thank you for taking the time to do that.

1433
02:03:12,150 --> 02:03:13,170
It's very much appreciated.

1434
02:03:14,110 --> 02:03:20,830
So to simplify for me, we have a landowner that has rights

1435
02:03:20,830 --> 02:03:24,010
to their land that is saying, hey, I want to put a cell phone

1436
02:03:24,010 --> 02:03:27,070
tower on it, and they have a partnership with the private company

1437
02:03:27,070 --> 02:03:29,470
that wants to come in and put it on that land.

1438
02:03:30,230 --> 02:03:34,370
We have other proper owners that would impact them

1439
02:03:34,370 --> 02:03:35,710
and they have concerns around that.

1440
02:03:35,710 --> 02:03:37,250
And they've expressed that here today.

1441
02:03:37,410 --> 02:03:40,170
And those two things lie in conflict that often happens

1442
02:03:40,170 --> 02:03:44,570
is it comes before the Board of Supervisors, as it comes before us, we're able then to look

1443
02:03:44,570 --> 02:03:49,370
at and weigh and consider some of those things, but really what we come back to is looking

1444
02:03:49,370 --> 02:03:56,090
at the, what are our ordinances around those things. Because when somebody goes and buys a home

1445
02:03:56,090 --> 02:04:00,790
or buys a piece of property, it would make sense for them to understand the ordinances that are

1446
02:04:00,790 --> 02:04:05,770
around those properties. So whatever quality of life that you're wanting or are hoping for,

1447
02:04:05,770 --> 02:04:11,650
That the ordinances are actually allowing for that and within the radius that you're hoping to have that occur

1448
02:04:13,650 --> 02:04:17,930
I will share with you today. One of the things that I'm concerned about with this big picture

1449
02:04:17,930 --> 02:04:21,230
I have no problem with where it's going as far as

1450
02:04:21,230 --> 02:04:23,890
Tablin it because we do need to look at those items that we're addressed

1451
02:04:24,590 --> 02:04:30,410
But I think it probably needs to go something that we may want to consider as a board looking a little bit further because

1452
02:04:31,110 --> 02:04:43,150
This group of individuals has gotten money to try and create these homes to have a lifestyle that they want and their intent that's very obvious is that they have some protections of quality of life to live there.

1453
02:04:43,530 --> 02:04:58,830
One thing that it sounds like is kind of missing in this equation is, while you've done that, you don't own all the property that's around you, which creates the possibility of other things coming in that could impact that way of life that you've made these investments in.

1454
02:04:58,830 --> 02:05:03,170
And that's not what we want for you either, but that's currently at play.

1455
02:05:03,670 --> 02:05:08,450
When you don't own that land that's all around you, those other landowners have rights as well.

1456
02:05:08,810 --> 02:05:11,570
It might need to be that we have to look at something as well.

1457
02:05:11,570 --> 02:05:13,570
And I think that's something that we ought to consider.

1458
02:05:14,510 --> 02:05:18,810
There's enough people that have been here for a long period of time that we might need to look at

1459
02:05:18,810 --> 02:05:24,710
some type of an ordinance or something that we could consider that would create what was intended.

1460
02:05:24,710 --> 02:05:30,770
what we're hearing from these people because in the future even if this ends up being where it's

1461
02:05:30,770 --> 02:05:35,250
voted is no one's being it's looked at being tailed right now I still don't see that it gives you the

1462
02:05:35,250 --> 02:05:41,010
protections that you're wanting. The reality is that somebody could go and build on that land that

1463
02:05:41,010 --> 02:05:46,010
they own and have rights to just like what you have rights to and impact that and now we're

1464
02:05:46,010 --> 02:05:50,970
in conflict because they went and looked at the ordinance they saw that they met the qualifications

1465
02:05:50,970 --> 02:05:56,330
for the ordinance. So now they can go and they have those rights to be able to go and do that.

1466
02:05:56,570 --> 02:06:04,130
So we may my thoughts around all this as well is it needs we might need to look at some

1467
02:06:04,130 --> 02:06:08,170
some type of an ordinance or something that we need to do if the intent is to protect these people

1468
02:06:08,890 --> 02:06:13,930
with what they're what they're hoping for. Because I don't think currently what's in place

1469
02:06:13,930 --> 02:06:15,770
allows for that outcome.

1470
02:06:16,910 --> 02:06:21,370
But we are looking, Brad, is there anything that you need to add anything legally that we need

1471
02:06:21,370 --> 02:06:23,230
to be considering beyond what's being talked about?

1472
02:06:24,010 --> 02:06:33,490
So this sounds like the board is going to table this and direct staff to address those four issues

1473
02:06:34,170 --> 02:06:37,990
that are necessary under the ADA with plan to slide.

1474
02:06:38,190 --> 02:06:42,110
If there's anything else, they'll be working with Grant and I will make sure it's covered

1475
02:06:42,110 --> 02:06:44,450
before he gets back to the board.

1476
02:06:45,550 --> 02:06:52,750
I would like to see us look at is there a tour mechanism that allows the outcome, and

1477
02:06:52,750 --> 02:06:55,190
that might take a little longer, but we're in the process of the tenure.

1478
02:06:56,870 --> 02:07:04,330
I believe that the board can direct staff to look at men through the zoning ordinance,

1479
02:07:04,610 --> 02:07:11,470
either under the current examinations that are undergoing or separate to address issues

1480
02:07:11,470 --> 02:07:16,090
It's like this with people with these separatist abilities, or even other disabilities.

1481
02:07:17,090 --> 02:07:20,130
I'd like to direct staff to do that, and you're able to do that.

1482
02:07:21,690 --> 02:07:23,370
Any other comments or questions?

1483
02:07:24,710 --> 02:07:26,510
We don't have that with formal abortion at the table.

1484
02:07:26,890 --> 02:07:28,370
We can just move it.

1485
02:07:29,570 --> 02:07:33,650
So then, unless there's, is there any other comments or questions?

1486
02:07:36,140 --> 02:07:36,780
Subvisor Seymour?

1487
02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:41,160
I'll make a comment after we do what we're going to do if I may have that privilege.

1488
02:07:42,420 --> 02:07:42,620
Yeah.

1489
02:07:43,400 --> 02:07:51,560
We'll end up just, there is one part that we should be aware of as a board.

1490
02:07:52,020 --> 02:07:53,260
Cody, do you mind coming forward?

1491
02:07:53,460 --> 02:07:59,400
If I understood correctly, you might explain in the shot clock or whatever you call that.

1492
02:08:02,520 --> 02:08:03,960
The fourth Cody speaks.

1493
02:08:04,680 --> 02:08:12,480
Actually, this is one of those cases after talking with Melissa that I'll ask you to specify a date to bring this back.

1494
02:08:12,840 --> 02:08:15,120
Because otherwise we'll need to go through publication again.

1495
02:08:15,120 --> 02:08:18,440
And I don't think we want to do that and have that extra delay.

1496
02:08:21,620 --> 02:08:22,020
Okay.

1497
02:08:22,060 --> 02:08:24,520
So we'll need to add that to when we want to come back.

1498
02:08:24,700 --> 02:08:25,720
Cody, do you mind explaining?

1499
02:08:25,940 --> 02:08:27,680
I think it's important that everybody knows.

1500
02:08:28,940 --> 02:08:28,960
Okay.

1501
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:30,440
Mr. Chairman, thank you.

1502
02:08:30,860 --> 02:08:35,960
It's based upon when we received this application and the FCC's 150 day shot clock requirement.

1503
02:08:37,060 --> 02:08:40,880
The shot clock itself would expire on the 28th of November.

1504
02:08:41,640 --> 02:08:49,120
So if a decision is not rendered by that point in time, then the regulations of the Telecommunication Act,

1505
02:08:49,220 --> 02:08:55,120
Telecommunications Act deemed the application approved administratively without action from the board.

1506
02:08:55,540 --> 02:08:56,070
Thank you.

1507
02:08:58,870 --> 02:08:59,530
Thank you, Cody.

1508
02:09:00,910 --> 02:09:02,170
Any additional comments?

1509
02:09:02,930 --> 02:09:04,040
We do need to have a date.

1510
02:09:05,610 --> 02:09:10,590
So you're saying just clarification if we table this,

1511
02:09:10,590 --> 02:09:13,310
that don't take an act, then it will automatically be approved.

1512
02:09:14,450 --> 02:09:17,850
The according to the regulations that are there with the FCC, it would be considered

1513
02:09:17,850 --> 02:09:19,650
approved without action of correctness.

1514
02:09:20,770 --> 02:09:20,910
Okay.

1515
02:09:21,450 --> 02:09:21,630
Okay.

1516
02:09:21,810 --> 02:09:22,870
clarify in question for me.

1517
02:09:23,190 --> 02:09:29,070
It's on their part, we will have considered it approved, but the FCC would consider it approved

1518
02:09:29,070 --> 02:09:30,010
to move forward.

1519
02:09:30,430 --> 02:09:31,310
Is that correct?

1520
02:09:32,350 --> 02:09:33,550
Mr. Chairman, that is correct.

1521
02:09:33,630 --> 02:09:37,890
They would deem it approved at that point in time, any challenging or contesting to that

1522
02:09:37,890 --> 02:09:40,750
would be out of the purview of, like, planning and development,

1523
02:09:41,510 --> 02:09:42,990
as far as the validity of that have been

1524
02:09:42,990 --> 02:09:43,730
demonstrated the approval.

1525
02:09:47,410 --> 02:09:51,430
What happens now, I'm curious to let's say that we voted

1526
02:09:51,990 --> 02:09:53,450
to turn it down today.

1527
02:09:53,790 --> 02:09:55,830
What happens from that point with the FCC?

1528
02:09:56,690 --> 02:09:58,810
I believe at that point you have 30 days.

1529
02:09:58,970 --> 02:10:02,350
If I remember correctly here, you have 30 days

1530
02:10:02,350 --> 02:10:03,630
to put out a written determination

1531
02:10:03,630 --> 02:10:06,930
as to how the reasons for denial were reached.

1532
02:10:06,930 --> 02:10:15,170
And then if the telecommunications company had an issue with that, they could file suit if they

1533
02:10:15,170 --> 02:10:21,150
deemed that the reasons for denial were not suitable and didn't meet the threshold of the telecommunications act.

1534
02:10:21,670 --> 02:10:26,210
But the board would have 30 days to get that determination out as to how they came to that decision.

1535
02:10:28,090 --> 02:10:29,430
To real the new.

1536
02:10:30,190 --> 02:10:33,770
So we need a date associated with when we want to have it brought back.

1537
02:10:33,770 --> 02:10:39,150
we don't have an emitting schedule between that time. We'd have to have a special meeting.

1538
02:10:40,670 --> 02:10:47,050
Or we, Chair, could we, or we could deny this and then give staff time to come up with

1539
02:10:47,050 --> 02:10:53,930
those four items, try to reach that threshold that we had denied it under, and then they would

1540
02:10:53,930 --> 02:11:00,310
have their time frame to issue the dial if they're not able to, then it would still default and go

1541
02:11:00,310 --> 02:11:03,620
as approved. Thank you.

1542
02:11:03,960 --> 02:11:04,360
Thank you.

1543
02:11:04,580 --> 02:11:05,560
Tell me.

1544
02:11:08,110 --> 02:11:08,590
Legal.

1545
02:11:09,190 --> 02:11:09,870
Please share this, Brad.

1546
02:11:09,950 --> 02:11:10,070
Legal.

1547
02:11:10,270 --> 02:11:11,150
We need to know.

1548
02:11:11,390 --> 02:11:21,210
We phrase how we're doing that by still doing the same thing, that the board will make

1549
02:11:21,210 --> 02:11:27,730
a motion to either approve or deny, whichever it may be, and a part of that motion would

1550
02:11:27,730 --> 02:11:39,760
for staff to issue a written fightings of fact to support the decision.

1551
02:11:40,220 --> 02:11:47,580
Based upon some of the testimony, our statements made by the board members,

1552
02:11:50,520 --> 02:11:50,900
and you've

1553
02:11:50,900 --> 02:11:53,080
covered some of those areas,

1554
02:11:55,180 --> 02:12:00,060
I may intervene and suggest some other things if you go forward

1555
02:12:00,060 --> 02:12:10,700
in that direction, but probably also a part of that motion would be that you authorize

1556
02:12:10,700 --> 02:12:16,280
the chairman to sign it, that way it is being adopted by the board, even though there's

1557
02:12:16,280 --> 02:12:22,180
a full board vote upon it. So you're delegating that authority to the Chairman.

1558
02:12:24,260 --> 02:12:25,040
Does that make sense

1559
02:12:25,040 --> 02:12:25,780
to everybody?

1560
02:12:28,240 --> 02:12:32,340
You know, be happy to chime up if I think we're lacking something as we move forward.

1561
02:12:36,560 --> 02:12:40,240
Does that answer your questions of our testimony? It does. Thank you, Chair.

1562
02:12:44,310 --> 02:12:45,510
What is the wish of the board?

1563
02:12:50,200 --> 02:12:54,860
Chair, I'm going to make a motion that we deny this request

1564
02:12:54,860 --> 02:13:18,420
At this time, based upon the testimony that we've heard and the materials that have been supplied to us and direct staff to prepare a written statement concerning our findings of fact that we have found and authorized the chairman to assign the document.

1565
02:13:18,420 --> 02:13:19,160
Right,

1566
02:13:21,700 --> 02:13:22,560
is that everything that you need?

1567
02:13:22,740 --> 02:13:26,820
I would say delegate to the chairman, the ability to review and sign.

1568
02:13:27,640 --> 02:13:31,080
And unmen that to delegate the chair to review and sign.

1569
02:13:34,020 --> 02:13:38,240
And Cody, do you want that written report issued before that hundred and fifty day deadline?

1570
02:13:39,840 --> 02:13:41,900
Yes, Mr. Carlon, that would be preferred.

1571
02:13:42,400 --> 02:13:44,860
So before November 28th,

1572
02:13:47,770 --> 02:13:48,650
that's the farthest.

1573
02:13:49,730 --> 02:13:51,890
Anything else that needs to be from a legal perspective?

1574
02:13:53,190 --> 02:13:58,990
I'm hoping you're going to have some more discussion, if not, I'll start adding some things

1575
02:13:58,990 --> 02:14:02,270
to it, which every way you wish to proceed.

1576
02:14:02,890 --> 02:14:05,630
You can either have meat talk or you guys talk first.

1577
02:14:06,130 --> 02:14:10,970
Is there any other comments before Brad, share some of the legal, I don't think so.

1578
02:14:14,590 --> 02:14:23,990
Then, I would ask the Board to make a determination whether they found that there will not be

1579
02:14:23,990 --> 02:14:32,170
substantial gap in services within the area, this is one of the FCC items, and a second

1580
02:14:34,110 --> 02:14:40,290
that the applicants have not proved that this is at least intrusive method in which to resolve

1581
02:14:40,290 --> 02:14:42,290
any gaps in services.

1582
02:14:45,930 --> 02:14:53,130
Also, if you believe so, you can say that this could the tower could

1583
02:14:53,130 --> 02:14:58,530
substantial impact on property values in the area.

1584
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:07,560
But you have directed the staff to address the Americans with disability act issues, and that you

1585
02:15:07,560 --> 02:15:14,820
have made a determination that one or more people in the area fall within the protected

1586
02:15:14,820 --> 02:15:23,860
class under the ADA, staff will flush that out a little bit more, and that their requests

1587
02:15:23,860 --> 02:15:31,580
to not have a tower in the area is a reasonable and necessary accommodation given their

1588
02:15:31,580 --> 02:15:32,340
disabilities.

1589
02:15:35,120 --> 02:15:37,220
I hope you don't want me to repeat that again.

1590
02:15:41,770 --> 02:15:44,430
So inside of this, as part of

1591
02:15:44,430 --> 02:15:49,570
the denial, we should include in it, which was demonstrated and shared by several realtors,

1592
02:15:50,350 --> 02:15:56,690
the substantial probability value impact. That would be key to it as well as tracking staff

1593
02:15:56,690 --> 02:16:00,810
to go and verify whether it meets 88,

1594
02:16:01,010 --> 02:16:02,670
because some of those things we didn't have answered.

1595
02:16:02,910 --> 02:16:06,030
He did have, but you did have some of the people

1596
02:16:06,030 --> 02:16:08,750
who have testified or gave statements

1597
02:16:08,750 --> 02:16:12,630
that they have a disability and receiving disability payments,

1598
02:16:13,250 --> 02:16:16,430
disability housing based upon the disabilities

1599
02:16:16,430 --> 02:16:20,570
are impacted by the towers and that given the nature,

1600
02:16:20,770 --> 02:16:25,550
the disabilities, that denying a tower in this area

1601
02:16:25,550 --> 02:16:30,890
is a reasonable and necessary accommodation for their disabilities.

1602
02:16:31,510 --> 02:16:38,250
And once again, staff working with legal counsel can flush those issues out more in the

1603
02:16:38,250 --> 02:16:45,070
written report, which is probably something the FCC would appreciate to understand why

1604
02:16:45,070 --> 02:16:48,810
you are denying the cell tower.

1605
02:16:48,810 --> 02:16:52,010
And it makes me feel more comfortable in case

1606
02:16:53,270 --> 02:16:55,530
people challenge the board's decision.

1607
02:16:55,910 --> 02:16:58,590
We'll have a record for the court to look at.

1608
02:16:59,370 --> 02:17:02,310
Yeah, I think there's several letters that were included in there.

1609
02:17:02,690 --> 02:17:06,310
Doctors reports as well and several people that have stated

1610
02:17:06,310 --> 02:17:11,070
that they are on disability as well as having those

1611
02:17:11,070 --> 02:17:13,770
deficiencies, immune deficiencies as well.

1612
02:17:13,990 --> 02:17:17,130
So I think that's been fairly well documented here as well.

1613
02:17:17,130 --> 02:17:23,550
So, just to be clear, you're not denying it because of health concerns with the SEC, as

1614
02:17:23,550 --> 02:17:24,530
you shouldn't.

1615
02:17:24,670 --> 02:17:31,930
You're doing it on Americans with Disability Act with one or more people following within

1616
02:17:31,930 --> 02:17:39,130
a disability protected by the ADA, and that this is a reasonable and necessary accommodation

1617
02:17:39,130 --> 02:17:41,430
under the ADA for them.

1618
02:17:44,950 --> 02:17:52,030
Thanks a lot on the coverage issue that we do have testimony of people that feel that they do have coverage in that area

1619
02:17:52,030 --> 02:17:59,630
but we do have the one commercial person who's given testimony that he does not need any more increase of service

1620
02:17:59,630 --> 02:18:09,890
as well as we have testimony that there's still two other towers that are approved that will probably have an effect on the coverage in this area for the good

1621
02:18:09,890 --> 02:18:13,290
but will not have an impact on the residents.

1622
02:18:13,290 --> 02:18:13,990
And

1623
02:18:16,100 --> 02:18:25,900
the problem is you have everything you need and I'm probably we do what we'll flush it all out more in the risk report working with coding and legal staff

1624
02:18:25,900 --> 02:18:32,400
And I feel then going forward, we need to do it. You said you are a direct-to-step on the other mad on the landing zone. Thank you

1625
02:18:33,720 --> 02:18:36,800
So we have a motion before. Do we have a second?

1626
02:18:36,960 --> 02:18:37,400
Second.

1627
02:18:38,020 --> 02:18:40,740
So we have a motion and a second. All those in favor.

1628
02:18:40,740 --> 02:18:46,160
Go aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed vote, nay? Here are none of the

1629
02:18:46,160 --> 02:18:48,220
eyes have it. Motion passes unanimously.

1630
02:18:50,750 --> 02:18:51,870
Thank you very much. Thank you

1631
02:18:51,870 --> 02:18:54,470
everyone for your time and being with us today. You know, if that was a

1632
02:18:54,470 --> 02:18:58,490
lengthy item, but it was important to a lot of people. So I'm appreciate it. All right.

1633
02:18:59,750 --> 02:19:00,530
Thank you. Thank you.

1634
02:19:03,320 --> 02:19:05,600
You know, so we're going to be exiting. We're going to move on now

1635
02:19:05,600 --> 02:19:13,680
to item B. It's also another public hearing. Well, let everybody that's wanting

1636
02:19:13,680 --> 02:19:14,120
to leave

1637
02:19:24,880 --> 02:19:33,960
leave you know you know we're going to take a quick break for about five minutes

1638
02:19:33,960 --> 02:19:38,160
to allow some people to be able to use the restroom why don't we do that here real quick I

1639
02:19:38,160 --> 02:19:40,580
know it's been a long meeting so far

1640
02:19:44,190 --> 02:19:48,050
you good all right everybody I think we're going to

1641
02:19:48,050 --> 02:19:54,050
go ahead and get started we still have a number of items so we're going to go ahead and get started

1642
02:19:54,050 --> 02:20:00,250
here. We're going to move some things around and we're going to actually jump to some of the

1643
02:20:00,250 --> 02:20:02,790
board of equalization hearings. Go there first.

1644
02:20:06,820 --> 02:20:08,320
We have some folks that are here and so we're

1645
02:20:08,320 --> 02:20:14,160
going to do that. So we're going to move around. We're going to item number 7 board of equalization.

1646
02:20:14,760 --> 02:20:21,070
We need to move a motion to move into the board of equalization. We're going to motion a second

1647
02:20:21,070 --> 02:20:26,310
all in favor of OI. Any opposed vote name. Here and then the I's have it. We're now in the

1648
02:20:26,310 --> 02:20:33,390
of the organization. We're going to start off going to the one that's a discussion next

1649
02:20:33,390 --> 02:20:41,230
regarding petition review of notice of change APN, 103-01-02-02-02. And we need to do the swearing

1650
02:20:41,230 --> 02:20:41,950
in, right?

1651
02:20:42,910 --> 02:20:45,630
And we'll list the, um, this is a couple of things swearing in.

1652
02:20:45,810 --> 02:20:47,350
Let me see if they sit there. Okay.

1653
02:20:47,810 --> 02:20:47,950
This one.

1654
02:20:48,110 --> 02:20:48,410
This one.

1655
02:20:48,830 --> 02:20:49,310
This one.

1656
02:20:49,310 --> 02:20:54,590
Can you just sign my birth to the truth of the whole truth and have you about the truth of the healthy guy that it comes in?

1657
02:20:55,190 --> 02:20:55,590
Thank you.

1658
02:20:59,570 --> 02:21:00,650
Okay, thank you, Melissa.

1659
02:21:07,180 --> 02:21:09,320
So, petitioner states reason for petition.

1660
02:21:11,060 --> 02:21:14,060
And a quick, I think if you let her speak, I think we've got to thank you.

1661
02:21:14,060 --> 02:21:16,560
Okay, perfect. Thank you very much.

1662
02:21:16,940 --> 02:21:17,060
Okay.

1663
02:21:18,060 --> 02:21:18,860
Are you?

1664
02:21:18,860 --> 02:21:19,140
Good.

1665
02:21:23,460 --> 02:21:29,760
the following information is presented for your consideration. We have a vacant 30.89

1666
02:21:29,760 --> 02:21:36,320
acre parcel outside the city limit boundary of Winslow. The value determination was market

1667
02:21:36,320 --> 02:21:42,200
using market of similar properties in the same area. The petitioner's basis is that the

1668
02:21:42,200 --> 02:21:49,280
property is used agriculture. The assessor data shows that the previous

1669
02:21:50,140 --> 02:21:55,180
evaluation was an agricultural reduction due to its use for grazing.

1670
02:21:55,660 --> 02:22:02,340
The parcel was removed when ADD was recorded changing the ownership and pursuits

1671
02:22:02,340 --> 02:22:11,140
to the Arizona Revised statute down there if it changes the new owner must file a new application.

1672
02:22:11,140 --> 02:22:18,840
So, we didn't receive the application, removed it from its valuation, put it on market value.

1673
02:22:21,060 --> 02:22:27,200
Didn't receive the application yet, but we spoke with the petitioner just a bit ago.

1674
02:22:27,920 --> 02:22:34,420
And what we'd like to say is, without receiving the documentation at this point, we requested an eye,

1675
02:22:34,420 --> 02:22:42,580
with the stipulation that if the owners file the application by June 1st that it would receive

1676
02:22:42,580 --> 02:22:45,160
the reduction in value for it's use.

1677
02:22:48,670 --> 02:22:49,790
Any comments or questions?

1678
02:22:54,800 --> 02:22:56,920
It's just we cannot override what you do, sirs.

1679
02:22:56,980 --> 02:23:01,140
And you do when you do it, say, with the stipulation that they've been filed the application

1680
02:23:02,240 --> 02:23:06,280
and then they will file the application that it will file it and then it will be fine.

1681
02:23:07,180 --> 02:23:07,320
Okay.

1682
02:23:08,660 --> 02:23:13,420
Everybody understand what's being requested, it sounds like they've come to an agreement, but

1683
02:23:13,420 --> 02:23:15,640
we need to be able to formalize on

1684
02:23:18,300 --> 02:23:22,980
any discussion, can you turn it into motion?

1685
02:23:27,570 --> 02:23:34,230
Debinds the reading that, what your proposed motion is in the board, that we request

1686
02:23:34,230 --> 02:23:40,670
to deny the petition for review with the stipulation that the owners may file the application

1687
02:23:40,670 --> 02:23:43,330
by June 1st of 2025.

1688
02:23:44,110 --> 02:23:44,470
Perfect.

1689
02:23:47,290 --> 02:23:50,390
Partitioner, I know you're wanting to stay in your seat, you're okay with that.

1690
02:23:50,470 --> 02:23:51,450
It sounds like.

1691
02:23:53,090 --> 02:23:57,690
So there's an agreement around that and that's the motion that both sides are like that.

1692
02:23:57,830 --> 02:23:57,990
Go ahead.

1693
02:23:58,630 --> 02:23:58,810
Okay.

1694
02:23:58,930 --> 02:23:59,470
We have a motion.

1695
02:24:00,590 --> 02:24:01,410
Do we have a second?

1696
02:24:03,710 --> 02:24:04,850
We have a motion a second.

1697
02:24:05,070 --> 02:24:05,790
Any more discussion?

1698
02:24:07,010 --> 02:24:08,510
In an all in favor of what I.

1699
02:24:09,630 --> 02:24:10,630
Any opposed or nay?

1700
02:24:11,390 --> 02:24:12,510
Very none of the eyes have it.

1701
02:24:12,730 --> 02:24:13,270
Thank you.

1702
02:24:13,270 --> 02:24:15,870
glad that you could come to Resolution on that together.

1703
02:24:16,250 --> 02:24:16,290
All right.

1704
02:24:16,490 --> 02:24:20,530
The second one that we'll go to is

1705
02:24:21,770 --> 02:24:24,890
212-43-064,

1706
02:24:27,990 --> 02:24:29,410
perfect.

1707
02:24:29,630 --> 02:24:30,350
Glad to have you.

1708
02:24:34,440 --> 02:24:34,820
Thank you.

1709
02:24:35,440 --> 02:24:37,480
Sir, Mr. Vice, thank you.

1710
02:24:37,520 --> 02:24:38,260
Great, you're right, can I?

1711
02:24:39,140 --> 02:24:40,920
Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth

1712
02:24:40,920 --> 02:24:43,360
that the truth is that I'll be glad to hear that.

1713
02:24:43,380 --> 02:24:43,820
Yes, ma'am.

1714
02:24:44,020 --> 02:24:44,800
Thank you.

1715
02:24:46,300 --> 02:24:47,180
Thank you.

1716
02:24:47,180 --> 02:24:48,060
Thank you, Mr. West.

1717
02:24:48,480 --> 02:24:48,860
Go ahead.

1718
02:24:49,120 --> 02:24:49,680
We'd love to hear from you.

1719
02:24:49,680 --> 02:24:59,160
I have some paperwork here, and you is the supervisor and the lakeside,

1720
02:25:04,760 --> 02:25:06,500
who is it?

1721
02:25:30,350 --> 02:25:38,410
I've got a new assessment on my property, up in Lakeside, and it almost doubles from last year.

1722
02:25:38,970 --> 02:25:45,430
And that's one question that I've got is how can it be that high from when the year to the other?

1723
02:25:48,850 --> 02:25:50,970
The assessor makes that a decision.

1724
02:25:54,450 --> 02:25:58,410
If you had a chance to talk with the assessor about it,

1725
02:25:59,450 --> 02:26:08,470
I sent some paperwork in, and Mrs. Deris sent a form back,

1726
02:26:08,750 --> 02:26:12,750
not much. It says the state allows us to raise property taxes.

1727
02:26:13,230 --> 02:26:14,390
That was it.

1728
02:26:19,510 --> 02:26:34,270
So the intent right now, Mr. West, is that you'll share what your concerns are and why you feel like it's not valid, then we'll have a camera, we'll come up and explain why she feels that it is valid, and then you'll have a chance to come back up and speak after she has a chance to share.

1729
02:26:34,270 --> 02:26:38,370
Okay, so you feel like it's just that it's unreasonable as I correct that it jumps

1730
02:26:38,370 --> 02:26:40,010
to height. Okay. Anything else?

1731
02:26:40,110 --> 02:26:41,810
First question of the assessment.

1732
02:26:42,230 --> 02:26:44,910
What up? Is the tax is going to double?

1733
02:26:45,970 --> 02:26:47,010
Are close to double?

1734
02:26:48,530 --> 02:26:51,030
Okay, that'll be good. She can address that when she comes up.

1735
02:26:51,270 --> 02:26:52,610
And then you'll have a chance to come up again.

1736
02:26:52,710 --> 02:26:54,470
Any other questions or comments you want to make?

1737
02:26:55,250 --> 02:27:02,270
Well, yeah, on why the value went up and the problems that I have with that piece of property.

1738
02:27:02,270 --> 02:27:08,710
And one of them is that it backs up to a large RV park, which is uphill.

1739
02:27:09,690 --> 02:27:16,890
Last June we had four inches of rain in June and all that water came down from the RV park

1740
02:27:16,890 --> 02:27:22,150
and then washed out a berm that I put there because they used to have a ditch on the other

1741
02:27:22,150 --> 02:27:28,350
side and then so the water came down and then the ditch was gone.

1742
02:27:28,350 --> 02:27:36,210
So I washed after burned there and then I'll also the top and washed down the sides of the property and also went to my driveway.

1743
02:27:37,130 --> 02:27:43,050
So I washed out a bunch of the centers and so forth.

1744
02:27:43,750 --> 02:27:46,370
So that's one situation there.

1745
02:27:46,510 --> 02:27:53,130
And the property is on the house was built on clay.

1746
02:27:53,130 --> 02:27:58,030
And so it's settling and the neighbor on the north they're having the same problem.

1747
02:27:59,530 --> 02:28:06,250
So I think the assessment, if I could talk to whoever, I don't know who might have done

1748
02:28:06,250 --> 02:28:10,050
that and talk to them and talk about the negatives.

1749
02:28:10,950 --> 02:28:15,770
And then this last year before we had a big wind.

1750
02:28:15,770 --> 02:28:25,790
because Sanders singles off the house and knocked down a kind of a carport thing that I had my

1751
02:28:27,050 --> 02:28:29,590
farward in, then had to be rebuilt.

1752
02:28:31,550 --> 02:28:35,010
And so there's a couple of different things about the quality of the property.

1753
02:28:36,430 --> 02:28:38,840
I think I could talk to whoever wants to

1754
02:28:40,510 --> 02:28:42,590
take a assessment and say, hey, wait a minute.

1755
02:28:42,590 --> 02:28:53,470
We can't double, you know, from last year, you know, at least I don't think so, to next property taxes come in,

1756
02:28:53,710 --> 02:28:56,150
is going to be whatever it was doubled.

1757
02:28:57,550 --> 02:29:00,690
And so, those are things that I wanted to talk about.

1758
02:29:01,090 --> 02:29:11,910
Plus, the site maps that to be from planning and zoning show that I own a 50 by 165 foot of McNeil Road,

1759
02:29:11,910 --> 02:29:15,790
and later in the lakeside.

1760
02:29:16,910 --> 02:29:19,530
So I thought, well, if the county wants to buy that for me,

1761
02:29:19,670 --> 02:29:20,850
they're welcome too.

1762
02:29:21,190 --> 02:29:24,290
Because I want to get away from the responsibility

1763
02:29:25,070 --> 02:29:30,730
that I have only that Indianapolis 500 strip of McDealer.

1764
02:29:31,970 --> 02:29:34,810
So anyway, those are things I need to address.

1765
02:29:36,290 --> 02:29:38,190
And you ever want to answer those?

1766
02:29:38,930 --> 02:29:40,170
Thank you, Mr. West.

1767
02:29:40,170 --> 02:29:44,750
Well, if you're finished we'll turn the time over and you'll have a chance to come back.

1768
02:29:45,550 --> 02:29:46,710
If you want to take a seat.

1769
02:29:48,370 --> 02:29:49,190
Thank you so much.

1770
02:30:03,090 --> 02:30:17,970
On this property, the full cash did not change from the original notice to the notice of change. The only change between the original notice, which they would give you, tends to appeal, and the secondary notice, is the limited value.

1771
02:30:18,870 --> 02:30:31,350
The reason for the change in the limited value doubling is they were qualified for what they call a senior valuation protection, and what that does is that freezes the limited value, which is only values for tax purposes.

1772
02:30:31,350 --> 02:30:33,430
So, it freezes that limited value.

1773
02:30:34,170 --> 02:30:37,830
They applied for the senior valuation freeze in 2019.

1774
02:30:39,130 --> 02:30:40,190
It's part of the constitution.

1775
02:30:40,690 --> 02:30:43,230
It requires that they reapply every three years.

1776
02:30:43,810 --> 02:30:50,390
They reapply in 2022, which froze it for 2023, for 2022, 2023 and 24.

1777
02:30:51,610 --> 02:30:55,730
They did not reapply to have it continue for 25.

1778
02:30:56,010 --> 02:31:00,230
So, when that phrase was, that protection was, that phrase was taken off that value.

1779
02:31:00,230 --> 02:31:04,370
It got six years of increases, rather than one year.

1780
02:31:05,130 --> 02:31:06,190
We sit in your packet.

1781
02:31:06,430 --> 02:31:10,690
You can see there's a letter that was sent February 7th of 2024,

1782
02:31:11,710 --> 02:31:17,570
as required by to send them a thing saying that they had to refile.

1783
02:31:18,570 --> 02:31:20,970
So we sent them a letter asking them to refile.

1784
02:31:21,930 --> 02:31:23,030
We didn't receive a spot.

1785
02:31:23,550 --> 02:31:28,490
So in August 2nd of 2024, we sent another letter,

1786
02:31:28,490 --> 02:31:42,530
And on the top of it in red, it says urgent final notice, and we did not receive a response there, so we sent another letter in September of 24, nowhere to find that it had been removed.

1787
02:31:43,110 --> 02:31:52,730
I mean, this is the Arizona Constitution. This is the statutes. I have no authority to go back and say, you know, you don't have to file this paper.

1788
02:31:52,730 --> 02:31:57,950
It's there. The paperwork has to be filed for that freeze to continue. So it's not a one year increase.

1789
02:31:58,270 --> 02:32:03,490
It's taking a property that froze back in 2019 and then freezing it in 2024.

1790
02:32:03,990 --> 02:32:05,510
That's where the difference is.

1791
02:32:05,810 --> 02:32:12,490
The other thing he talked about, the full cash value has not changed one dollar since the original notice that he was given a chance to appeal.

1792
02:32:13,070 --> 02:32:16,650
So what we're looking at the only change was that limited value.

1793
02:32:17,070 --> 02:32:20,990
And that was due to the loss of the value, the senior valuation protection freeze.

1794
02:32:20,990 --> 02:32:24,450
Thank you for sharing that.

1795
02:32:24,450 --> 02:32:25,530
Bring clarity.

1796
02:32:26,290 --> 02:32:30,150
Turn the time back over to the petitioner.

1797
02:32:35,800 --> 02:32:39,440
The request for documents was sort of extensive.

1798
02:32:39,760 --> 02:32:41,160
I couldn't find some of it.

1799
02:32:41,320 --> 02:32:42,680
So that's why I didn't send it in.

1800
02:32:43,740 --> 02:32:47,080
And I wish I would have somehow found those documents.

1801
02:32:47,460 --> 02:32:50,660
Would have saved me whatever the increase was.

1802
02:32:51,700 --> 02:33:02,380
And then that piece of property of mine that goes into the steel street, 50 feet by 165.

1803
02:33:03,700 --> 02:33:10,720
And I measured that and I wonder if the county couldn't just pay me for that and take over that piece of like the old world.

1804
02:33:12,800 --> 02:33:14,880
So I could have a decision on that.

1805
02:33:18,080 --> 02:33:26,920
Probably will be able to respond to that today as far as purchasing the land or whatnot, but that's not the purpose of this this hearing, but to talk about

1806
02:33:28,560 --> 02:33:29,600
What's owed

1807
02:33:29,600 --> 02:33:37,420
On that and the reasoning line it sounds like you understand the paperwork, but you had some complications with it. Is that what it's far as filling that out

1808
02:33:37,960 --> 02:33:43,220
Okay, I mean able to get that back in and what you what you shared with us is

1809
02:33:43,220 --> 02:33:50,400
that you've sent multiple letters trying to kind of warn that you have to have that in order to trigger the freeze and keep that in there.

1810
02:33:50,940 --> 02:33:52,280
And you've not been able to re-applied

1811
02:33:58,110 --> 02:34:00,130
and re-applied for going forward.

1812
02:34:01,010 --> 02:34:02,470
You'll freeze up the new value.

1813
02:34:03,550 --> 02:34:04,810
I have to wait until next year to reply.

1814
02:34:05,230 --> 02:34:08,610
You can re-apply now, but it won't take it back until next until 2026.

1815
02:34:08,790 --> 02:34:09,930
Okay, on the increase.

1816
02:34:11,790 --> 02:34:13,750
You'll freeze up the increased amount, yes.

1817
02:34:14,850 --> 02:34:19,110
But that paperwork is something I'm not going to tell you, we have to have that paperwork.

1818
02:34:20,770 --> 02:34:21,650
Okay, well.

1819
02:34:22,810 --> 02:34:26,210
I think that's all I need to discuss.

1820
02:34:27,510 --> 02:34:29,270
Any questions about me?

1821
02:34:30,350 --> 02:34:31,550
Thank you, Mr. West.

1822
02:34:31,830 --> 02:34:32,350
Appreciate your time.

1823
02:34:32,350 --> 02:34:33,170
Thank you, folks.

1824
02:34:37,920 --> 02:34:42,880
So now, Mr. West will end up talking as a board about this item.

1825
02:34:43,340 --> 02:34:46,380
If you're wanting to stay in here with the board, it has to say, as we talk about it.

1826
02:34:46,380 --> 02:34:48,120
Okay, can I get a response?

1827
02:34:48,560 --> 02:34:52,340
You didn't, they're going to do it right now, they're going to do it right now.

1828
02:34:52,780 --> 02:34:52,960
Okay.

1829
02:34:53,860 --> 02:34:54,880
Thank you, Mr. West.

1830
02:34:56,200 --> 02:34:56,520
All right.

1831
02:34:57,500 --> 02:34:58,640
So now we move.

1832
02:34:59,320 --> 02:35:00,680
The decision is given their final battle.

1833
02:35:01,240 --> 02:35:03,200
We're now to the discussion part for the board.

1834
02:35:07,010 --> 02:35:09,130
So any items the board has?

1835
02:35:09,150 --> 02:35:11,030
Questions on would like to discuss?

1836
02:35:11,790 --> 02:35:12,970
Does it relate to this matter?

1837
02:35:17,420 --> 02:35:18,360
Supervisor Weiss here.

1838
02:35:18,720 --> 02:35:18,960
Go ahead.

1839
02:35:29,100 --> 02:35:37,140
every three years every three years and if they don't reapply then those dollars they have to pay whatever

1840
02:35:37,140 --> 02:35:40,680
Well, we don't we don't go back no we don't go back and say you know these back three years

1841
02:35:40,680 --> 02:35:45,300
It was frozen for six years and it's taking frozen now for 25 we've been frozen

1842
02:35:45,300 --> 02:35:49,920
So in 25 when the textbook comes out September that new value will be reflected

1843
02:35:49,920 --> 02:35:57,240
He can then he can reapply now and then we'll freeze it at that value and then he'll state frozen for as long as he doesn't pay for

1844
02:35:57,240 --> 02:36:01,400
Okay, okay, just I want to understand that a better.

1845
02:36:01,900 --> 02:36:02,420
Thank you.

1846
02:36:03,480 --> 02:36:04,720
Any other questions?

1847
02:36:05,600 --> 02:36:08,260
Let's see what is the right thing or finish your questions?

1848
02:36:08,520 --> 02:36:09,360
Yes, that's it.

1849
02:36:09,360 --> 02:36:10,020
Thank you sir.

1850
02:36:10,420 --> 02:36:11,720
Okay, and then vice chair.

1851
02:36:11,920 --> 02:36:12,240
Go ahead.

1852
02:36:12,440 --> 02:36:12,960
You can ask questions.

1853
02:36:13,020 --> 02:36:15,920
Yeah, so my question is sent.

1854
02:36:16,180 --> 02:36:18,620
It's not frozen from September.

1855
02:36:19,860 --> 02:36:23,120
And he only he will be applying in February.

1856
02:36:23,580 --> 02:36:26,020
Does that mean the time between

1857
02:36:26,920 --> 02:36:35,380
from September 24th that is this little not be frozen that is

1858
02:36:35,380 --> 02:36:39,500
some senior they will not be frozen less e-replace it will continue to go up

1859
02:36:39,500 --> 02:36:45,080
along with similar properties and with everyone else is around unless the senior

1860
02:36:45,080 --> 02:36:51,330
fees is applied for again thank you any other questions

1861
02:36:53,340 --> 02:36:55,220
okay if there's no more

1862
02:36:55,220 --> 02:36:56,120
discussion.

1863
02:36:57,400 --> 02:36:59,040
Chair and entertain a motion.

1864
02:36:59,960 --> 02:37:02,300
Chairman, I motion that we follow

1865
02:37:02,300 --> 02:37:05,120
the recommendation of the assessor's office.

1866
02:37:06,540 --> 02:37:07,620
I'll second it.

1867
02:37:07,760 --> 02:37:08,820
I'll motion in a second.

1868
02:37:09,020 --> 02:37:09,660
Any more discussion?

1869
02:37:11,320 --> 02:37:13,100
We're now in the Album Favor vote aye.

1870
02:37:14,960 --> 02:37:16,500
Any opposed vote?

1871
02:37:16,740 --> 02:37:17,080
Aye.

1872
02:37:18,060 --> 02:37:21,320
Any opposed vote?

1873
02:37:23,100 --> 02:37:24,220
Any opposed vote?

1874
02:37:46,390 --> 02:37:48,210
Thank you, Mr. West.

1875
02:37:49,570 --> 02:37:51,890
Thank you, Mr. West.

1876
02:37:51,910 --> 02:37:53,530
Appreciate you being here.

1877
02:37:53,990 --> 02:37:54,650
Thank you, sir.

1878
02:37:55,150 --> 02:37:55,650
Thank you.

1879
02:37:56,450 --> 02:37:59,730
All right, let's move on to...

1880
02:38:02,320 --> 02:38:08,940
It'll be APN 20642-084.

1881
02:38:09,980 --> 02:38:10,000
So

1882
02:38:12,940 --> 02:38:18,260
do we have the, so they've not shown up.

1883
02:38:19,820 --> 02:38:19,840
Okay.

1884
02:38:21,680 --> 02:38:25,740
So if they're not here, then, and games are already been sworn in,

1885
02:38:25,880 --> 02:38:27,280
do you want to state the reason?

1886
02:38:27,980 --> 02:38:28,540
What's?

1887
02:38:28,840 --> 02:38:29,900
Okay, good to see you, thanks.

1888
02:38:32,180 --> 02:38:38,580
And President, to your notice of the schedule hearing date, the following information is

1889
02:38:38,580 --> 02:38:40,140
presented for your consideration.

1890
02:38:41,500 --> 02:38:49,020
The property is located within the Pine Crest RV Resort and Consists of a 385 square foot

1891
02:38:49,020 --> 02:38:51,960
park model owned by Capco built in 2013.

1892
02:38:52,780 --> 02:38:59,040
The residential yard improvements consists of the land value, electrical, water, and sewage

1893
02:38:59,040 --> 02:38:59,560
hookups.

1894
02:38:59,560 --> 02:39:08,000
The 120 square foot storage shed and a 527 foot covered wood porch built in 2024.

1895
02:39:09,360 --> 02:39:16,340
The notice of value of the 70 to the full cash value of 114,737 and a limited property

1896
02:39:16,340 --> 02:39:19,480
value of 799,932.

1897
02:39:20,560 --> 02:39:29,540
The residential yard improvement, full cash is 82,542 and the limited property value is 47.

1898
02:39:30,800 --> 02:39:46,260
736. The 2013 cabco value is full cash is 32,196 and the limited property value is 32,196.

1899
02:39:46,960 --> 02:39:55,220
The land value is a part of the residential yard improvements and the full cash has not changed and it is at 16,250.

1900
02:39:55,220 --> 02:40:04,060
The basis for appeal, the property owner has submitted the cost breakdown for the covered wood deck of 44,522.

1901
02:40:04,780 --> 02:40:11,920
The owner's opinion of the full cash value is 65,000 for the residential yard improvement portion of the full cash value.

1902
02:40:13,240 --> 02:40:18,740
The assessor data for the residential yard improvement portion of the full cash value.

1903
02:40:18,740 --> 02:40:24,800
The full cash value for the $20,24 tax rule was $33,997.

1904
02:40:26,320 --> 02:40:34,860
And the full cash value for the $20,25 tax rule is $82,542 with the difference of $48,544.

1905
02:40:35,600 --> 02:40:44,500
The limited property value for the $24 tax rule was at $27,364 and the limited property

1906
02:40:44,500 --> 02:40:56,400
value for the $20-25 tax rule was at $47,736 with the difference of $2372, which is less

1907
02:40:56,400 --> 02:41:04,840
than half of the owner's cost at $44,522. It is the assessor's recommendation that the

1908
02:41:04,840 --> 02:41:10,600
full cash should remain at the current value as the limited property value is calculated in accordance

1909
02:41:10,600 --> 02:41:17,640
with the Arizona Revised Statute at 421-3301.

1910
02:41:25,100 --> 02:41:26,520
Sorry. Any questions or comments?

1911
02:41:28,740 --> 02:41:30,740
Just a double check. We don't have the petitioner

1912
02:41:30,740 --> 02:41:37,000
here. It's still correct. Okay. Just verify. Okay. Then we'll move to the discussion portion

1913
02:41:37,000 --> 02:41:42,420
of this. Any discussion from the board? Comments questions?

1914
02:41:44,490 --> 02:41:50,230
Yeah, I'll make a motion that we deny the application and we recommend that we

1915
02:41:50,230 --> 02:41:55,670
We approve the assessors recommendation that the full cash value should be being as the current value.

1916
02:41:57,920 --> 02:41:58,560
Okay, we have a motion.

1917
02:41:58,680 --> 02:41:59,400
Do we have a second?

1918
02:42:02,340 --> 02:42:03,140
Do we have a second?

1919
02:42:04,020 --> 02:42:05,060
All of any more discussion?

1920
02:42:06,940 --> 02:42:08,120
All of them favor vote aye.

1921
02:42:09,300 --> 02:42:10,660
Any opposed vote, nay?

1922
02:42:11,500 --> 02:42:13,880
In none of the ice have it, motion passes unanimously,

1923
02:42:14,100 --> 02:42:18,660
and now to the last item.

1924
02:42:19,420 --> 02:42:24,020
consideration of stipulations between Navo County Cessor and Petitioner

1925
02:42:24,020 --> 02:42:27,620
competitions for you. Notice of changes where you need an obsessor and

1926
02:42:27,620 --> 02:42:28,700
petitioners.

1927
02:42:37,580 --> 02:42:42,040
Okay. Which one are you starting with? This is the last one item D. Okay,

1928
02:42:42,160 --> 02:42:45,280
so let me just go through all of them at one time. Is that what you want to do Melissa?

1929
02:42:46,220 --> 02:42:46,420
Yeah. Okay.

1930
02:42:48,700 --> 02:42:55,000
So on parcel 202. 67.002. The assessor's office and I've

1931
02:42:55,000 --> 02:43:02,480
land. The petitioner have reached a stipulation. The full cash value will be set at 398-065

1932
02:43:03,020 --> 02:43:06,440
and the limited will be set at 232-11.

1933
02:43:16,950 --> 02:43:20,230
That's on the lake. The e-mails got jumbled, I think.

1934
02:43:20,870 --> 02:43:22,150
They were sort of

1935
02:43:34,920 --> 02:43:38,340
all exerced stipulations where the people had sent us e-mails. The e-mails

1936
02:43:38,340 --> 02:43:42,200
when you sent them, they sort of got jumbled. I mean, they were in boxes and they sort of

1937
02:43:42,200 --> 02:43:46,480
got jumbled. So, they have actually agreed to the numbers that I am reading to you today.

1938
02:43:46,480 --> 02:43:53,500
Okay, so the numbers you're reading are what you've formed in agreement with the individuals so this full cash will be 398

1939
02:43:53,500 --> 02:43:54,360
065

1940
02:43:54,980 --> 02:44:00,300
The limited property value we 23211 and I supplied Melissa with copies of the letters.

1941
02:44:02,270 --> 02:44:03,330
Thank you very much.

1942
02:44:03,430 --> 02:44:04,010
Uh-huh.

1943
02:44:05,490 --> 02:44:08,230
Do you want me to just read the next one or you're going to miss your visually, okay?

1944
02:44:08,350 --> 02:44:08,710
Please.

1945
02:44:08,710 --> 02:44:14,570
on parcel 2, 12, 43, 032, the Navajo County Accessors Office and Anderson

1946
02:44:14,570 --> 02:44:18,370
Virtual Junior and Anne Reed, the Petitioner, have received stipulation.

1947
02:44:18,990 --> 02:44:24,250
Both parties, because of full cash value, we said at 145, 137, and the limited

1948
02:44:24,250 --> 02:44:28,450
property value be said at 69, 107, for the 2020, 5, 5,

1949
02:44:31,360 --> 02:44:32,300
5,

1950
02:44:34,600 --> 02:44:38,760
8, 8, 8, 8, the Navajo County

1951
02:44:38,760 --> 02:44:43,760
and Augusta Ranch 50 LLC, the petitioner, a resuscitipulation.

1952
02:44:44,540 --> 02:44:48,760
Both parties request the full cash value be set up 516,092

1953
02:44:49,440 --> 02:44:54,800
and a limited property value be set at 298,468 for the 25 tax roll.

1954
02:44:57,180 --> 02:44:57,560
Thank you.

1955
02:44:58,540 --> 02:44:59,980
3,11,15,15,15.

1956
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:08,080
The Navajo County assessors office and Mark Van Arck and Michelle Sirot, participants have reached stipulation.

1957
02:45:09,020 --> 02:45:18,900
Both parties request the Polkash Valley be set at 526,280 with a limited be set at 304,361 for the 25 tax roll.

1958
02:45:19,180 --> 02:45:22,280
Thank you. That's all of them?

1959
02:45:23,800 --> 02:45:23,940
Okay.

1960
02:45:47,360 --> 02:45:48,520
I don't know how that one.

1961
02:45:49,160 --> 02:45:51,000
Oh, there, no, it's 2.0.

1962
02:46:05,930 --> 02:46:10,230
Navajo County says, on 2.144, 3.76, the Navajo County

1963
02:46:10,230 --> 02:46:12,890
says there's office, and it's Diracal family trust.

1964
02:46:13,010 --> 02:46:15,490
The petitioners have reached the agreement, both parties

1965
02:46:15,490 --> 02:46:18,670
because the full cash value be said at 6.21, 025,

1966
02:46:19,430 --> 02:46:22,450
and the limited property value be at 359, 155,

1967
02:46:22,650 --> 02:46:24,670
for the 25 tax roll.

1968
02:46:25,010 --> 02:46:26,370
Thank you, is that all women?

1969
02:46:30,210 --> 02:46:32,790
So is there any discussion among the board

1970
02:46:32,790 --> 02:46:35,170
about any one of those items,

1971
02:46:37,370 --> 02:46:39,810
not hearing any thank you for working with these individuals

1972
02:46:39,810 --> 02:46:41,330
to come to a resolution.

1973
02:46:41,610 --> 02:46:42,530
Very much appreciated.

1974
02:46:43,210 --> 02:46:46,950
It's time to share with the entertainer motion on all petitions.

1975
02:46:52,280 --> 02:46:53,200
So we have motion for approval.

1976
02:46:53,240 --> 02:46:53,940
Do we have a second?

1977
02:46:54,440 --> 02:46:54,880
Second.

1978
02:46:55,600 --> 02:46:56,300
Give a second.

1979
02:46:56,860 --> 02:46:57,580
Any more discussion?

1980
02:46:59,040 --> 02:46:59,440
Hearing none.

1981
02:46:59,580 --> 02:47:00,960
All those in favor, vote aye.

1982
02:47:01,940 --> 02:47:03,000
Any opposed, vote nay.

1983
02:47:04,140 --> 02:47:05,240
And none of the eyes have it.

1984
02:47:05,240 --> 02:47:06,440
Motion passes unanimously.

1985
02:47:06,440 --> 02:47:08,460
So we need a motion to return to regular session.

1986
02:47:08,960 --> 02:47:09,860
Yes, sir.

1987
02:47:10,380 --> 02:47:11,740
We have a motion in a second.

1988
02:47:11,820 --> 02:47:12,940
All those in favor of ROTI?

1989
02:47:13,020 --> 02:47:13,460
Aye.

1990
02:47:14,180 --> 02:47:15,320
Any opposed vote, nay?

1991
02:47:16,320 --> 02:47:17,420
And then the eyes have it.

1992
02:47:17,460 --> 02:47:18,600
We'll back to regular session.

1993
02:47:18,740 --> 02:47:20,520
So we'll go back now.

1994
02:47:20,740 --> 02:47:22,520
Thanks for being patient and waiting with us.

1995
02:47:23,480 --> 02:47:28,980
We're going to go back to item 60 public hearing.

1996
02:47:29,340 --> 02:47:34,480
Consideration of popsicle, adoption of resolution number 45-2024.

1997
02:47:34,480 --> 02:47:42,240
a provener to nine a final plot to allow for 20 for a 20 law single-family residential subdivision and lakes that area

1998
02:47:42,240 --> 02:47:42,920
Cody

1999
02:47:43,640 --> 02:47:46,720
This chairman vice chair supervisor is appreciate your time on this item

2000
02:47:47,540 --> 02:47:50,440
Give me this one moment. We'll

2001
02:47:50,440 --> 02:47:52,440
Get the power point up and then I'll screw it through that for you

2002
02:47:54,920 --> 02:47:58,340
Yes, all right

2003
02:47:58,340 --> 02:48:04,220
So just as far as it's summary here for the the project in the proposal you've got the ADN there

2004
02:48:04,220 --> 02:48:08,520
parcel itself is just a little over 24 acres in size. It is currently

2005
02:48:08,520 --> 02:48:13,360
zone commercial residential and with the proposed project that would feature as

2006
02:48:13,360 --> 02:48:18,020
noted those 20 single family residential lots. Some private roads internal to

2007
02:48:18,020 --> 02:48:21,740
the subdivision private gate of access which would come off of state route

2008
02:48:21,740 --> 02:48:26,740
260 itself and then there is a proposed open space area for right-haring and

2009
02:48:26,740 --> 02:48:31,200
wildlife and that is just under 16 acres in size. There's also some public

2010
02:48:31,200 --> 02:48:34,760
utility and drainage easements indicated on the planet itself.

2011
02:48:35,680 --> 02:48:40,340
To give you a general vicinity, this is kind of the large zoom out, this really borders

2012
02:48:40,340 --> 02:48:44,820
right up with the pine toplake side area, the lakeside area here, one of our county islands,

2013
02:48:45,020 --> 02:48:47,240
and this is an area of the property itself.

2014
02:48:48,960 --> 02:48:53,080
This is a zoomed out version of the final plat, I believe I have a more zoomed in one, so

2015
02:48:53,080 --> 02:48:57,120
you can see some further detail after this, but this shows the layout, the access off of

2016
02:48:57,120 --> 02:48:59,800
state root 260, and then those 20 residential lots.

2017
02:49:00,520 --> 02:49:05,200
This is a little bit more zoomed in giving you some of those details as to those lots themselves.

2018
02:49:06,040 --> 02:49:08,880
You can see the floodplain and floodway in the rear here.

2019
02:49:09,140 --> 02:49:16,700
That track to be, as noted before, is that right area in wildlife open space area that they're looking to put in with this subdivision.

2020
02:49:20,430 --> 02:49:23,430
So we have been working with this with the applicant.

2021
02:49:23,530 --> 02:49:26,010
This application has been accepted for about a year now.

2022
02:49:26,370 --> 02:49:31,430
They've been working through on the financial letter of assurance of credit.

2023
02:49:31,430 --> 02:49:37,550
That's required by state law that provided everything we need up into this point for those financial assurances

2024
02:49:37,550 --> 02:49:45,070
So with that together with the accepted application, as well as reviewing our zoning ordinance, our comprehensive plan, and our subdivision ordinance

2025
02:49:45,070 --> 02:49:56,890
Staff has recommended approval of this final plat subject to that condition there, which is just a 24 month period in which the applicant would need to move forward with the requirements

2026
02:49:57,630 --> 02:50:02,870
and complete the in-beginning complete work on this project itself.

2027
02:50:03,770 --> 02:50:07,530
As of today, staff has received no comments in favoring or against this proposal.

2028
02:50:08,370 --> 02:50:10,390
Staff is available for any questions you might have.

2029
02:50:10,590 --> 02:50:12,930
The applicant and their engineer are also available as well.

2030
02:50:13,130 --> 02:50:13,690
Thank you for your time.

2031
02:50:15,250 --> 02:50:18,250
Thank you very much, appreciate it.

2032
02:50:19,130 --> 02:50:19,430
All right,

2033
02:50:21,930 --> 02:50:24,490
we now will open up to public hearing.

2034
02:50:24,490 --> 02:50:26,150
Let's do we have any items?

2035
02:50:29,000 --> 02:50:31,140
Okay, we didn't have any items on the public hearing.

2036
02:50:31,720 --> 02:50:33,340
Members of the public wishing to speak.

2037
02:50:36,170 --> 02:50:39,810
So then we'll close the public hearing portion of that.

2038
02:50:40,030 --> 02:50:42,030
We'll move to discussion by the board.

2039
02:50:43,710 --> 02:50:44,390
Oh, sorry.

2040
02:50:45,890 --> 02:50:49,850
We need to go to the applicant if the applicant's wishing to speak as well.

2041
02:50:50,450 --> 02:50:52,090
I'm just curious to answer the questions you've posted.

2042
02:50:52,090 --> 02:50:52,570
Oh, yeah.

2043
02:50:55,020 --> 02:50:55,220
Sorry.

2044
02:50:58,840 --> 02:50:59,660
My name is John Otis.

2045
02:51:00,420 --> 02:51:02,100
I live at 2519 in my future.

2046
02:51:02,380 --> 02:51:08,060
I've been in Shilor, Arizona, and I am the developer of Big Bear States, and I'm glad

2047
02:51:08,060 --> 02:51:08,700
to be here today.

2048
02:51:08,720 --> 02:51:09,700
It's been a long road.

2049
02:51:10,340 --> 02:51:16,100
We had a lot of challenges to get the same design properly so that we didn't encroach upon

2050
02:51:16,100 --> 02:51:18,200
areas that we felt were sensitive.

2051
02:51:19,220 --> 02:51:24,440
We were trying to find a way to monetize this property after 14 years of ownership and do

2052
02:51:24,440 --> 02:51:25,280
it responsibly.

2053
02:51:25,280 --> 02:51:29,000
and not stomped the terror and irritated our neighbors.

2054
02:51:29,280 --> 02:51:32,260
I was a tenure resident, makes side across the street,

2055
02:51:32,640 --> 02:51:35,740
no most of the people, and have a strong affection

2056
02:51:35,740 --> 02:51:39,620
for the trees, the elk, and the wildlife, in general.

2057
02:51:40,280 --> 02:51:42,200
So we went way out of our way to make sure

2058
02:51:42,200 --> 02:51:45,780
that we did not intrude upon without recensitive areas.

2059
02:51:46,280 --> 02:51:48,080
We have tried to create what we think

2060
02:51:48,080 --> 02:51:51,800
as a real sense of community within that subdivision.

2061
02:51:51,800 --> 02:51:56,660
And I hope that you folks will support us today.

2062
02:51:57,340 --> 02:51:59,260
There will be CCNRs in this community.

2063
02:52:00,080 --> 02:52:01,520
There will be a homeowners association.

2064
02:52:02,320 --> 02:52:06,020
That will be instrumental because we're going to have to maintain our streets.

2065
02:52:06,740 --> 02:52:11,940
We have a budget from our contractor over a 60-month period to maintain our streets.

2066
02:52:12,280 --> 02:52:17,160
For the first year, approximately $12,800 worth of that budget.

2067
02:52:17,160 --> 02:52:24,120
total budget of 33,000 over 16 months will pick up ourselves as developers, because we anticipate

2068
02:52:24,120 --> 02:52:26,440
not being sold out by that time.

2069
02:52:27,080 --> 02:52:32,900
And we don't want to, I guess, tax the new residents too much right out the gate with

2070
02:52:32,900 --> 02:52:35,420
a $12,000 in our dollar investment in the streets.

2071
02:52:36,200 --> 02:52:37,700
So it won't be gated.

2072
02:52:38,140 --> 02:52:43,000
Arizona water was an 18 month hold up, getting through approvals.

2073
02:52:43,000 --> 02:52:52,920
They insisted that we extend 1,500 feet of 12-inch Dr. Lyron main to a pasture.

2074
02:52:53,740 --> 02:53:03,000
And that was 18 months of reviews and 276,800 dollars of our unexpected capital expenditure.

2075
02:53:03,620 --> 02:53:04,380
So it was rugged.

2076
02:53:04,700 --> 02:53:05,340
It really was.

2077
02:53:05,760 --> 02:53:08,420
They took away our right to have a gated access.

2078
02:53:08,760 --> 02:53:11,960
We thought that would have been out attribute for our residents.

2079
02:53:11,960 --> 02:53:18,820
we were trying to mitigate the influx of people coming into the property, parking in the subdivisions,

2080
02:53:19,000 --> 02:53:27,520
colonisax, and hiking in the open space area. We don't want to be difficult with the public

2081
02:53:27,520 --> 02:53:34,880
it. It's not meant to be a closed environment. It's meant to be set aside for the wildlife

2082
02:53:35,560 --> 02:53:41,560
and for the environment. The residents that live there can build nothing on the open space

2083
02:53:41,560 --> 02:53:46,120
area. They're free to walk. There's no bike trails. It'll be allowed and no lighting.

2084
02:53:46,660 --> 02:53:52,620
It's got to stay completely undeveloped. And we're looking forward to getting out there

2085
02:53:52,620 --> 02:53:54,280
and selling some houses with your approval.

2086
02:53:55,580 --> 02:53:59,520
Thank you. Appreciate your efforts on this, and for speaking today. Thank you.

2087
02:53:59,760 --> 02:54:02,880
Any questions for me? Any questions? Thank you.

2088
02:54:03,400 --> 02:54:05,560
We do have one. It's a pleasure seeing more.

2089
02:54:06,200 --> 02:54:18,980
Mr. Doris, I appreciate your explanation there I've worked with you in the past and I appreciate the projects that you put together and your CC&Rs are the restrictions on the size of the homes on these lots.

2090
02:54:19,420 --> 02:54:27,200
1500 square feet livable under rough and we're going to go ahead and build every single home in there.

2091
02:54:28,080 --> 02:54:29,940
There are only 20 home sites.

2092
02:54:30,840 --> 02:54:33,180
We want to have some continuity.

2093
02:54:34,120 --> 02:54:38,240
I don't want issues with anybody in the economy for any reason.

2094
02:54:38,820 --> 02:54:41,520
In the past, I've had more than one building in a subdivision.

2095
02:54:42,260 --> 02:54:43,880
One guy or a guy gets into trouble.

2096
02:54:44,920 --> 02:54:50,080
They ditch out and they drop the value of everything else in the subdivision.

2097
02:54:50,560 --> 02:54:55,760
And they're really great a lot of havoc for the homeowners that might be there and the

2098
02:54:55,760 --> 02:54:58,300
So we're just going to build it out for cash.

2099
02:54:58,860 --> 02:54:59,600
We have two up.

2100
02:54:59,680 --> 02:55:01,680
We want to start two more in a couple of weeks.

2101
02:55:02,580 --> 02:55:05,880
And as the market will purchase them, we'll build them.

2102
02:55:06,500 --> 02:55:06,620
Yeah.

2103
02:55:06,620 --> 02:55:09,280
You're fencing that you have because that's a very

2104
02:55:10,240 --> 02:55:13,900
Injuku park coming into Lakeside, Pintop area.

2105
02:55:14,940 --> 02:55:18,600
So aesthetically, what type of adventure you're going to have along the 260.

2106
02:55:19,060 --> 02:55:22,800
Well, brown, split a face block to

2107
02:55:22,800 --> 02:55:28,060
square foot configuration, tent foot tall along the road.

2108
02:55:28,420 --> 02:55:31,800
They'll be at each corner of each lot in the middle in the field.

2109
02:55:32,020 --> 02:55:39,240
We'll have four inch boxed metal with two inch gateway across the top of the bottom.

2110
02:55:39,700 --> 02:55:44,800
You'll have two by six pressed board that will be stained in that runway.

2111
02:55:45,380 --> 02:55:51,300
We looked at doing all block because of the expansive soils.

2112
02:55:51,720 --> 02:55:57,880
We've got to go down three feet to the rock to be sure that we don't have a failure in the concrete.

2113
02:55:59,120 --> 02:56:05,440
It was just, it was a $500,000 ticket, and we had to find a way to do it for half of that.

2114
02:56:05,860 --> 02:56:11,480
We would have spent that money, had we not had to put it in the water, but we were running out of money,

2115
02:56:11,980 --> 02:56:14,120
and we had to find a way to mitigate that.

2116
02:56:14,120 --> 02:56:18,220
But that fifths will run 10 feet for 1,500 feet.

2117
02:56:18,660 --> 02:56:22,920
You'll have a nice access point there that will be a landscape with a synoronym with trees.

2118
02:56:23,400 --> 02:56:25,020
Just the same as we did at the Point Vista.

2119
02:56:26,080 --> 02:56:29,020
And then your HOA will take care of the maintenance on that fence.

2120
02:56:29,540 --> 02:56:29,760
Yes, sir.

2121
02:56:29,760 --> 02:56:29,920
Okay.

2122
02:56:30,180 --> 02:56:31,220
Thank you.

2123
02:56:37,220 --> 02:56:38,440
Any other questions or comments?

2124
02:56:45,080 --> 02:56:46,220
Thank you very much.

2125
02:56:49,570 --> 02:56:52,790
If there are no more questions or comments, Trevor, to entertain a motion.

2126
02:56:53,470 --> 02:57:00,090
Chair, I'll make a motion that we approve resolution number 45-2024 approving this final

2127
02:57:00,090 --> 02:57:05,610
plot and also that the CCNRs will be recorded with this project.

2128
02:57:07,810 --> 02:57:10,110
So we're in motion for approval to be out of second.

2129
02:57:10,330 --> 02:57:10,810
Second.

2130
02:57:11,730 --> 02:57:14,210
We're in motion in a second and any more discussions.

2131
02:57:15,250 --> 02:57:17,030
Hearing none of those of favor vote aye.

2132
02:57:17,410 --> 02:57:17,430
Aye.

2133
02:57:17,830 --> 02:57:17,890
Aye.

2134
02:57:17,890 --> 02:57:19,050
Any opposed vote, nay?

2135
02:57:19,770 --> 02:57:20,610
We're not in the eyes of it.

2136
02:57:20,690 --> 02:57:21,830
Motion passes unanimously.

2137
02:57:22,510 --> 02:57:23,470
Thank you, Mr. Otis.

2138
02:57:23,470 --> 02:57:40,810
Thank you everybody involved with that. All right. We're going to move on to item C public hearing consideration a possible adoption of resolution 40 set 46 dash 24 Tyler your take our code. Are you taking this one you're going to take this one. Yes, this is go ahead.

2139
02:57:40,870 --> 02:57:51,610
Yes, I thank you, Mr. Chairman. Vice chair of supervisors apologize for the change up Tyler just kind of fell ill. So we'll take over here and try to cover all of this for you.

2140
02:57:51,610 --> 02:57:58,550
to the best of my ability so we do have a this property is located just over five and

2141
02:57:58,550 --> 02:58:02,510
a half miles to the northwest of Snowflake Arizona you can see all of the APNs here on the

2142
02:58:02,510 --> 02:58:08,530
slide I won't read those all off for the sake of everyone here but it is 15 parcels that

2143
02:58:08,530 --> 02:58:15,190
total approximately 9213 acres zoning on those properties are primarily are you 20 and

2144
02:58:15,190 --> 02:58:19,550
there is mixed ownership with the Aztec land and cattle company Flake Ranch LLC Langley

2145
02:58:20,270 --> 02:58:22,990
Ranges LLC and the Arizona State land apartment.

2146
02:58:24,010 --> 02:58:26,190
As far as the components, this would include solar modules,

2147
02:58:26,490 --> 02:58:29,910
marking systems, which are typical, a 34 and a half kilo volt

2148
02:58:29,910 --> 02:58:32,170
collection line and on-site substation,

2149
02:58:32,790 --> 02:58:35,310
gentile line that would connect to the SRP Sugar Loaf

2150
02:58:36,050 --> 02:58:38,430
substation, battery energy storage system,

2151
02:58:39,270 --> 02:58:41,010
which would have the potential for storing

2152
02:58:41,010 --> 02:58:45,110
1,000 megawatts of electricity for four hours, up to four hours,

2153
02:58:45,210 --> 02:58:46,850
and no one am building an associated parking

2154
02:58:46,850 --> 02:58:51,710
late on the arts, and then set foot fencing with three-strand barbed wire around the O&M building

2155
02:58:51,710 --> 02:58:59,290
substation and the battery energy storage system. As noted, this is the proximity to the

2156
02:58:59,290 --> 02:59:04,250
town of Snowflake, approximately five and a half miles to the northwest. Anywhere that you see

2157
02:59:04,250 --> 02:59:07,630
outlined in red is the potential boundaries of this project.

2158
02:59:10,460 --> 02:59:12,480
Within here, this shows the general

2159
02:59:12,480 --> 02:59:17,740
solar array that's proposed at this point in time. As you can know, looking through here, there

2160
02:59:18,540 --> 02:59:23,660
spaces made for any of femoral washes or otherwise, which could not be encroached upon.

2161
02:59:24,040 --> 02:59:28,240
So this is giving you the general layout of what those would look like conceptually at this point.

2162
02:59:30,840 --> 02:59:38,160
So throughout this process and previous processes, we've had some questions on the public process

2163
02:59:38,160 --> 02:59:44,260
as it relates to the solar projects and how that could interact with some outside agencies.

2164
02:59:44,260 --> 02:59:57,560
We felt it might be beneficial for the board, as well as the public just to give information and show where this project sits at today's date and then what steps would need to proceed to get to a construction level stage.

2165
02:59:58,320 --> 02:59:59,740
So we start all of our projects here.

2166
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:13,300
With conceptual meetings from there, we move to a pre-application meeting at the conceptual meeting. They'd meet with planning and zoning staff. We let them know base level requirements and they start putting documentation together at a pre-application meeting.

2167
03:00:13,760 --> 03:00:27,700
They have as close to a complete package as possible, with that we'd bring in all relevant county departments, as well as outside agencies like the game and fish department, the state fire marshals office for these reviews and to discuss the application at hand.

2168
03:00:28,140 --> 03:00:32,380
Typically, from there, there will then be the community outreach portion, which is required

2169
03:00:32,380 --> 03:00:36,640
with our ordinance for anything that goes into a public hearing, following that, we would

2170
03:00:36,640 --> 03:00:40,780
get to a false middle with that package and any corrections requested at that pre-application

2171
03:00:40,780 --> 03:00:41,200
meeting.

2172
03:00:42,480 --> 03:00:47,500
Next on this list is the Planning and Zoning Commission, and today where we said is that

2173
03:00:47,500 --> 03:00:50,040
step right below, which is the Board of Supervisors.

2174
03:00:50,700 --> 03:00:55,540
Now, on the right, you'll see outside agencies, one of these is the utility company.

2175
03:00:55,540 --> 03:01:00,660
there's a request for procurement from these utility companies for projects that doesn't necessarily

2176
03:01:00,660 --> 03:01:06,100
happen in parallel or right after the Board of Supervisors. It can run at the same time,

2177
03:01:06,180 --> 03:01:10,880
it can run after the Board of Supervisors but it does a separate process that kind of kicks off

2178
03:01:10,880 --> 03:01:15,700
that portion and that side of things for these developers. From there, if the project was approved

2179
03:01:15,700 --> 03:01:19,860
by the Board of Supervisors, it would go to the Corporation Commission for a certificate of environmental

2180
03:01:19,860 --> 03:01:24,600
compatibility. That does require some open houses as well as some hearings as well that are

2181
03:01:24,600 --> 03:01:30,400
for that agency itself. Following that, there's the utility company in our connection agreement and

2182
03:01:30,400 --> 03:01:34,460
power purchase agreement, so that's saying you've met all of these steps, you've gone through

2183
03:01:34,460 --> 03:01:38,540
all of these agencies, now at this point in time, what's making agreement on how we're going to

2184
03:01:38,540 --> 03:01:44,520
move forward with this project and purchase. If all of those steps have then been hit, the applicant

2185
03:01:44,520 --> 03:01:49,300
would come back and show the completeness as to conditions that have been applied to their project

2186
03:01:49,300 --> 03:01:54,180
and they would go towards the building permit stage and review and then to the construction of

2187
03:01:54,180 --> 03:02:00,880
project. Of note for these projects, it is important to know they do all have bonding required

2188
03:02:00,880 --> 03:02:06,920
on them so that there is the removal at the adequate time that will not take any public

2189
03:02:06,920 --> 03:02:10,760
money from them. So staff does require bonding of each and all of those items.

2190
03:02:12,000 --> 03:02:17,840
In this specific project, we went through and reviewed the comprehensive plan, our zoning ordinance,

2191
03:02:18,680 --> 03:02:22,780
and we found that this is substantially in compliance with all of the requested items.

2192
03:02:22,780 --> 03:02:28,500
there have been inclusions for cultural studies as well as environmental resources, this meets the

2193
03:02:28,500 --> 03:02:34,660
letter of everything that we have regarding a solar energy generation facility.

2194
03:02:38,210 --> 03:02:38,730
Also,

2195
03:02:40,050 --> 03:02:43,990
with that we've received no comments in favor of nor against this project.

2196
03:02:44,170 --> 03:02:49,110
I'm sorry, we have received one letter in favor of this project, no comments against this project,

2197
03:02:49,230 --> 03:02:54,950
correct myself there. Of note for the board, we do know that a statement was released by the

2198
03:02:54,950 --> 03:03:00,150
a few months ago. This is the final project that was formally within the pipeline and received prior

2199
03:03:00,150 --> 03:03:05,710
to that statement being released. So this is the final of the solar projects that's coming through

2200
03:03:05,710 --> 03:03:06,690
prior to that statement.

2201
03:03:08,830 --> 03:03:12,030
With all this in mind, Navo County Planning Development Services staff,

2202
03:03:12,390 --> 03:03:15,150
recommend approval of the special use permit for this generation facility.

2203
03:03:15,310 --> 03:03:18,110
Subject to the 14 conditions listed in our staff report.

2204
03:03:18,730 --> 03:03:22,490
As those are quite lengthy, quite a few pages. We haven't written them all out on a slide here,

2205
03:03:22,490 --> 03:03:24,810
but if you have questions specific to any of those conditions,

2206
03:03:24,810 --> 03:03:27,010
I would be very happy to answer them.

2207
03:03:27,530 --> 03:03:32,010
We do have the applicant here available for any questions, comments, and otherwise, and I appreciate

2208
03:03:32,010 --> 03:03:32,370
your time.

2209
03:03:32,670 --> 03:03:33,370
Thank you.

2210
03:03:36,140 --> 03:03:38,520
Is the applicant wishing to speak at this time?

2211
03:03:38,860 --> 03:03:40,560
You're going to see you.

2212
03:03:40,640 --> 03:03:41,460
We're going to come forward.

2213
03:03:51,510 --> 03:03:53,750
Mr. Chairman, supervisors, good afternoon.

2214
03:03:53,970 --> 03:03:54,830
It's going to take good morning.

2215
03:03:55,730 --> 03:04:01,190
I'm Thomas Galvin, on behalf of Stella Renouble, 7144 Eastets and Drive in Phoenix.

2216
03:04:01,730 --> 03:04:04,790
I really want to appreciate and thank staff for all of the work they have been doing.

2217
03:04:05,490 --> 03:04:09,890
Working with us for a very long time, but as you can see, they give a very thorough presentation.

2218
03:04:10,150 --> 03:04:14,610
So I'm just going to be brief here, but I want to highlight a few important items for all of you in the board.

2219
03:04:15,390 --> 03:04:19,930
First of all, not only do we think staff, but we want to thank them for working with us for a long time, as I mentioned earlier.

2220
03:04:20,650 --> 03:04:24,870
And as you saw, Cody provided for you a very thorough and lengthy submittal process.

2221
03:04:24,930 --> 03:04:29,950
You see there's a lot of hoops that are going to have to be satisfied in order to get this to the very end.

2222
03:04:30,390 --> 03:04:34,270
And as you heard, we comply with the comprehensive plan, and we comply with the zoning

2223
03:04:34,270 --> 03:04:34,670
codes.

2224
03:04:35,210 --> 03:04:39,030
And in fact, we're grateful for unanimous approval from the Planning and Zoning Commission

2225
03:04:39,030 --> 03:04:41,090
and since then there have been no changes.

2226
03:04:41,470 --> 03:04:45,970
Nothing substantially different than what the Planning Commission saw when they provided unanimous

2227
03:04:45,970 --> 03:04:46,350
approval.

2228
03:04:46,770 --> 03:04:50,670
And as you heard from Cody, this is not the end of the process, as I said earlier as well.

2229
03:04:50,950 --> 03:04:52,350
We still have a lot to work with.

2230
03:04:52,350 --> 03:04:56,650
We have to work with the utility and staff on site planning, and we are very grateful for

2231
03:04:56,650 --> 03:05:01,430
landowner who is here today to provide their support and I just asked that I have time for

2232
03:05:01,430 --> 03:05:06,430
rebuttal in case anyone else speaks in opposition or there's questions. Thank you. Thank you.

2233
03:05:06,530 --> 03:05:13,510
Appreciate it. Thank you very much. All right. We're going to go ahead and go to the public hearing

2234
03:05:13,510 --> 03:05:18,390
portion of the media and open it up for the public hearing. We do have a number of requests to speak.

2235
03:05:18,570 --> 03:05:19,690
We'll start with Sicilia.

2236
03:05:23,340 --> 03:05:28,700
Yeah. This is for the solar. This is so. Okay. So we're drawing that one.

2237
03:05:28,700 --> 03:05:29,500
Okay,

2238
03:05:32,920 --> 03:05:33,480
Reven.

2239
03:05:34,180 --> 03:05:34,660
Reven.

2240
03:05:34,920 --> 03:05:35,300
Reven.

2241
03:05:35,860 --> 03:05:36,500
Thank you.

2242
03:05:40,420 --> 03:05:41,860
Thank you for letting me speak.

2243
03:05:42,360 --> 03:05:44,100
I'm district four.

2244
03:05:44,480 --> 03:05:44,840
Reven balance.

2245
03:05:45,000 --> 03:05:48,300
I live in Shalom, a 22 year veteran, including the Gulf War.

2246
03:05:48,840 --> 03:05:52,320
Of the Masters in Math and Science Education, I'm an environmentalist.

2247
03:05:52,480 --> 03:05:57,560
And I live in my third solar grid tide, all the electric home on Shalom Bluff.

2248
03:05:59,640 --> 03:06:03,880
Before I go into that, I appreciate in my laser experience working with the election office again.

2249
03:06:04,380 --> 03:06:10,500
Four times there, witnessed excellent integrity and will actually call out the staff for stopping

2250
03:06:10,500 --> 03:06:20,340
some political talk that was dismissive of our Navajo Nation, and I was glad to see the officials there take that up.

2251
03:06:21,080 --> 03:06:23,300
Good thing to keep all the politics out of that office.

2252
03:06:23,300 --> 03:06:28,220
I'm here to support the alternative energy that Navajo County continues to approve using

2253
03:06:28,220 --> 03:06:33,980
science using facts and this solar battery project is excellent.

2254
03:06:35,120 --> 03:06:40,360
We have a history of clean energy and Navajo County in the words of the board member.

2255
03:06:40,960 --> 03:06:46,520
This is a private utility company buying power from a private landowner and a private company

2256
03:06:46,520 --> 03:06:48,040
is going to build it.

2257
03:06:48,040 --> 03:06:53,240
Unfortunately, my legislature has turned down tens of thousands of dollars of our federal

2258
03:06:53,240 --> 03:06:59,080
tax money that went somewhere else, but the inflation reduction act brings millions

2259
03:06:59,080 --> 03:07:02,880
of dollars in this form to this county for clean energy.

2260
03:07:04,820 --> 03:07:06,260
There's a lot of opposition to this.

2261
03:07:06,260 --> 03:07:09,420
A lot of it comes in the form of NIMBY, not in my backyard.

2262
03:07:10,300 --> 03:07:11,460
It's not their backyard.

2263
03:07:11,460 --> 03:07:18,680
this Aztec land and cattle companies backyard and I disturbed by people who claim Nimbi

2264
03:07:18,680 --> 03:07:23,600
when they're not there and claim to know what indigenous people want in this county.

2265
03:07:24,820 --> 03:07:29,200
I've also been starting, you have the statement in front of you from the group that's here,

2266
03:07:29,720 --> 03:07:35,740
calling out people by name, calling late to freely discriminate against poll workers.

2267
03:07:35,880 --> 03:07:40,760
I consider that slander, but at the bottom it basically says they're called here to occupy

2268
03:07:40,760 --> 03:07:44,040
by the land by God's principles and plural.

2269
03:07:44,060 --> 03:07:45,860
I don't know which God's those are.

2270
03:07:46,060 --> 03:07:49,280
By the authority of God Almighty and not the government

2271
03:07:49,280 --> 03:07:52,120
of the Navajo County Board of Surveysers,

2272
03:07:52,640 --> 03:07:54,340
I'm concerned about that statement.

2273
03:07:54,620 --> 03:07:56,920
We've had groups here before calling out the tyranny

2274
03:07:56,920 --> 03:08:00,000
of your board, the corruption of your board,

2275
03:08:00,920 --> 03:08:02,620
and it's a serving that we have citizens

2276
03:08:02,620 --> 03:08:05,140
imposing their religious and political views

2277
03:08:05,140 --> 03:08:08,360
on matters that require science and fact.

2278
03:08:09,980 --> 03:08:15,880
My hope is that this verb will inform, excuse me, affirm that your words in your actions,

2279
03:08:16,720 --> 03:08:22,680
and you may hope personal, political, and religious beliefs, that you govern and make decisions

2280
03:08:22,680 --> 03:08:28,420
that are based not on your partisan beliefs or your religious beliefs, but on science and logic,

2281
03:08:29,000 --> 03:08:31,920
and for the good of all Navajo County citizens.

2282
03:08:32,300 --> 03:08:33,340
Thank you.

2283
03:08:33,860 --> 03:08:34,340
Thank you.

2284
03:08:35,340 --> 03:08:35,960
All right.

2285
03:08:35,960 --> 03:08:37,040
Belinda.

2286
03:08:43,030 --> 03:08:43,530
Good afternoon.

2287
03:08:45,030 --> 03:08:48,910
First of all, on this solar farm, where were we supposed to send comments?

2288
03:08:51,090 --> 03:08:53,290
You never got any noise for that.

2289
03:08:55,870 --> 03:09:00,730
So solar wind technology limited to rooftops and backyard groups is a good thing.

2290
03:09:00,790 --> 03:09:06,050
You know, in small groups, but giant solar wind farms, these mega structures have devastating

2291
03:09:06,050 --> 03:09:11,470
life-altering consequences to the surrounding community and the environment forever.

2292
03:09:11,470 --> 03:09:16,310
We the people of Navajo County say no to giant solar winder,

2293
03:09:18,350 --> 03:09:20,890
solar wind farms in our county.

2294
03:09:22,430 --> 03:09:33,710
There's a long list of proven dire consequences of these giant solar farms, but I've only got three minutes to read it, so I don't have time to read it.

2295
03:09:33,710 --> 03:09:50,230
All of you have been lying to by environmental houses and corporate greed, giant solar farms and giant wind farms are outdated technologies for energy and leave environmental scars that we will never be repaired in our children's lifetime.

2296
03:09:50,930 --> 03:09:54,110
And we will destroy our open spaces forever.

2297
03:09:54,110 --> 03:10:12,450
So, don't make a decision that's obsolete like you were persuaded to do by installing broadband to the community's rural areas years ago for millions of dollars which is only now being installed and was obsolete in 2022 standards.

2298
03:10:12,450 --> 03:10:17,550
Be fully aware of the consequences of your decisions on this giant solar farm.

2299
03:10:18,490 --> 03:10:22,010
Are you going to be the heroes that preserve our beautiful white mountains for generations

2300
03:10:22,010 --> 03:10:26,290
to come, or are you going to be the cowardly and greedy who destroy it?

2301
03:10:26,510 --> 03:10:32,770
If you approve this giant solar wind farm, be acutely aware that your children will despise

2302
03:10:32,770 --> 03:10:37,510
you for allowing it, your children's children will despise you for allowing it.

2303
03:10:37,510 --> 03:10:43,950
The people of Navajo County will most certainly despise you for allowing it and despise you for not only

2304
03:10:43,950 --> 03:10:48,570
destroying our beautiful white mountains but also serving international corporate greed

2305
03:10:48,570 --> 03:10:53,710
other than the job that you're obligated to do by oath and that's to serve the people of Navajo County.

2306
03:10:54,330 --> 03:10:58,560
We strongly request the board to deny the solar farm special use permit.

2307
03:10:59,750 --> 03:11:02,050
And lastly, Jason Wading.

2308
03:11:02,670 --> 03:11:07,730
Use it on the Board of Real AZ, which actively works to bring these international corporations

2309
03:11:07,730 --> 03:11:12,990
to Navajo County to do business to destroy county's open lands and beautiful business,

2310
03:11:13,570 --> 03:11:18,410
and yet use serve on the Board of Supervisors to approve or deny the use permits of these

2311
03:11:18,410 --> 03:11:22,730
entities overwriting our already existing building codes.

2312
03:11:23,410 --> 03:11:29,530
That is a conflict of interest, and the people want some answers and demand 100% transparency.

2313
03:11:29,530 --> 03:11:36,530
So, supervisor, whiting, how much money have you personally received from real AZ and any

2314
03:11:36,530 --> 03:11:40,630
entity doing business with real AZ in any fashion?

2315
03:11:41,970 --> 03:11:42,290
Thank you.

2316
03:11:44,740 --> 03:11:48,260
I will move on then to get inflate.

2317
03:12:01,640 --> 03:12:03,300
Honorable Board of Supervisors.

2318
03:12:04,560 --> 03:12:05,680
My name is Galen Flake.

2319
03:12:05,680 --> 03:12:09,580
I live at 465 East Billy Button Line and Snowflake.

2320
03:12:10,380 --> 03:12:15,360
I'm a fourth generation rancher from the flight family.

2321
03:12:16,120 --> 03:12:18,780
Our ranch has been in the family for over 100 years.

2322
03:12:20,800 --> 03:12:22,960
My son represents the fifth generation.

2323
03:12:24,180 --> 03:12:27,520
And we hope to carry on this legacy for many more generations.

2324
03:12:29,760 --> 03:12:35,150
We are deeply concerned about the proposal to install a large solar farm,

2325
03:12:35,740 --> 03:12:37,980
which would claim five sections of our ranch.

2326
03:12:39,260 --> 03:12:51,640
This land has been integral to our operation for generations, and its loss would have serious and lasting consequences.

2327
03:12:53,080 --> 03:12:59,380
These five sections contain vital water sources that we have worked for years to develop and maintain.

2328
03:12:59,380 --> 03:13:07,820
Losing access to these resources would severely disrupt our operation and threaten the long-term

2329
03:13:07,820 --> 03:13:10,240
sustainability of our family ranch.

2330
03:13:11,980 --> 03:13:18,020
In addition to these sections, proposed for the solar project, we own private sections

2331
03:13:18,740 --> 03:13:20,340
adjacent to this land.

2332
03:13:21,140 --> 03:13:28,140
Our private land and the proposed development area are interconnected, and the solar project

2333
03:13:28,140 --> 03:13:30,240
would impact the health of both.

2334
03:13:30,820 --> 03:13:35,860
These sections like the rest of our ranch are crucial for local wildlife.

2335
03:13:37,680 --> 03:13:41,320
Large, large, large, large of elk sometimes over a hundred strong,

2336
03:13:42,080 --> 03:13:44,180
rely on this area for habitat.

2337
03:13:45,120 --> 03:13:51,020
If the solar farm proceeds, these elk will be forced to relocate to neighboring

2338
03:13:51,020 --> 03:13:59,860
in private land. Intense fine conflict between wildlife and agricultural operations as the

2339
03:13:59,860 --> 03:14:03,740
private land will become the only remaining wildlife corridor.

2340
03:14:06,600 --> 03:14:10,580
We also concerned about, we're

2341
03:14:10,580 --> 03:14:16,700
also concerned about the private impact for the land's health for the project, about the projects

2342
03:14:16,700 --> 03:14:24,140
impacts the lands health. The development would strip away native vegetation that holds our

2343
03:14:24,140 --> 03:14:30,520
top soil in place, increasing erosion and that impact on our ranch and neighboring properties.

2344
03:14:31,780 --> 03:14:39,160
This degradation will create long-term environmental challenges for everyone in the area.

2345
03:14:40,400 --> 03:14:48,320
We feel this project, we feel these projects are being planned in a way that divides

2346
03:14:48,320 --> 03:14:54,240
our community, effecting just a few landowners at a time, making it harder for us to

2347
03:14:54,240 --> 03:14:55,400
organize collectively.

2348
03:14:56,260 --> 03:14:59,980
Meanwhile, our large core operations outside of the community, we're going to have to

2349
03:15:20,100 --> 03:15:26,560
Thank you very much for taking the time.

2350
03:15:27,120 --> 03:15:28,360
Thank you for your time.

2351
03:15:28,800 --> 03:15:29,300
Thank you.

2352
03:15:29,680 --> 03:15:31,620
Appreciate it.

2353
03:15:31,760 --> 03:15:32,900
Most of us are any other ones.

2354
03:15:36,880 --> 03:15:41,120
So those are all the public hearing notices that we had.

2355
03:15:43,900 --> 03:15:46,580
We'll go ahead and close the public hearing portion of the meeting.

2356
03:15:47,540 --> 03:15:49,740
I move to the discussion by the board.

2357
03:15:50,760 --> 03:15:52,940
Ask questions comments at this time.

2358
03:15:55,180 --> 03:15:57,240
So any questions from members of the board?

2359
03:15:57,460 --> 03:15:58,020
I have a few.

2360
03:15:58,020 --> 03:16:05,300
But so, Cody, up to this point, now obviously, you've heard some today, but you had not heard any.

2361
03:16:05,560 --> 03:16:11,280
There's been, let's say, okay, great. You pulled the back up. So there's been a number of meetings that have occurred,

2362
03:16:11,560 --> 03:16:18,000
including some public meetings that have occurred. It went before the planning and zoning board

2363
03:16:18,000 --> 03:16:21,900
and opportunities for people to be able to speak there. Where would all the touch points be here?

2364
03:16:22,080 --> 03:16:25,400
Let's simplify it. Where would all the touch points be? Where public would have a chance to engage?

2365
03:16:25,400 --> 03:16:34,140
So, the public engagement as far as the touch once you have the community outreach that generally goes to the neighboring properties within the vicinity of the project itself.

2366
03:16:34,480 --> 03:16:39,020
You have the commission at which people are able to speak. They're also able to comment ahead of time.

2367
03:16:39,440 --> 03:16:46,620
We have an email address as well as a dedicated phone line so that there's no interpretation of those comments and they can be received directly verbatim.

2368
03:16:47,100 --> 03:16:52,900
You also have the Board of Supervisors, which is then further advertised and allows for those same comments at that point in time.

2369
03:16:52,900 --> 03:16:58,040
I believe even as you go to the outside agencies once you hit the certificate of environmental

2370
03:16:58,040 --> 03:17:01,940
compatibility, there will also be a public input portion to that process itself.

2371
03:17:02,980 --> 03:17:06,120
But at least with the county, there's three different opportunities through which to comment.

2372
03:17:06,740 --> 03:17:09,420
This being one of them correct, correct, that's correct.

2373
03:17:09,820 --> 03:17:15,420
Okay, and even beyond this, so let's say, just because that allows it to continue to

2374
03:17:15,420 --> 03:17:20,880
the conversation now, let's say that it, if it was to be approved today, they still,

2375
03:17:20,880 --> 03:17:24,760
ago is before the Corporation Commission correct, and there's a public process there.

2376
03:17:25,940 --> 03:17:29,840
That is correct, Mr. Chairman, and that's if they've been accepted for a request for

2377
03:17:29,840 --> 03:17:34,340
procurement from those utility companies, so typically if they have not moved beyond that

2378
03:17:34,340 --> 03:17:36,680
stage, they stall out at that point in time.

2379
03:17:37,440 --> 03:17:41,320
So they would even have to, at this point, they would have to have an agreement with the utility

2380
03:17:41,320 --> 03:17:44,240
company that's willing to even purchase the power from them.

2381
03:17:44,420 --> 03:17:44,660
Correct.

2382
03:17:45,060 --> 03:17:49,220
To an extent, they would have to have a project that was selected through that request

2383
03:17:49,220 --> 03:17:53,660
procurement and then typically they'll go to the certificate of environmental compatibility

2384
03:17:53,660 --> 03:17:59,000
and following that they would iron out the finer details as far as the cost and what was

2385
03:17:59,000 --> 03:18:02,520
paid regarding this. So, to an extent yes.

2386
03:18:02,840 --> 03:18:05,940
There's one to make sure because I know that was a concern of people wanting to make sure that

2387
03:18:05,940 --> 03:18:11,420
the public had opportunities to engage and that those have been honored where the public has

2388
03:18:11,420 --> 03:18:16,900
been given an opportunity to engage on this. Another than today there's not been any descending.

2389
03:18:17,500 --> 03:18:22,700
I believe we had one comment against directly on the chambers of the planning and zoning commission.

2390
03:18:23,200 --> 03:18:26,180
It was generalized towards solar development.

2391
03:18:26,420 --> 03:18:30,560
I don't know that I think it was aimed at this, but a general one towards solar development.

2392
03:18:31,580 --> 03:18:34,880
But no formal comments received when we go out for comments now.

2393
03:18:36,280 --> 03:18:39,840
There's questions around it, and it seems to be some confusion for some.

2394
03:18:39,840 --> 03:18:43,880
I may be in misunderstanding what's being presented by the public when they ask questions.

2395
03:18:43,880 --> 03:18:50,260
But it seems like the public thinks that the county makes decisions on what utilities purchase

2396
03:18:50,260 --> 03:18:53,440
and what they don't purchase and where they purchase their stuff from.

2397
03:18:54,260 --> 03:18:56,300
That's not something that the county does.

2398
03:18:56,340 --> 03:19:01,420
The county does not select what type of energy they're producing, what type of energy they

2399
03:19:01,420 --> 03:19:02,080
want to buy.

2400
03:19:02,340 --> 03:19:06,760
That's done by the private utilities and it's their prerogative to make the decision within

2401
03:19:06,760 --> 03:19:08,820
the law that they want to make.

2402
03:19:09,120 --> 03:19:11,040
So that's not the county that's making those decisions.

2403
03:19:11,040 --> 03:19:13,920
They're also as a comment made about really easy.

2404
03:19:14,360 --> 03:19:17,400
Because that wasn't something really easy.

2405
03:19:17,440 --> 03:19:18,280
Question was asked.

2406
03:19:19,660 --> 03:19:22,360
It's tied into this somewhat I will respond to that.

2407
03:19:22,620 --> 03:19:23,840
Number one, really easy.

2408
03:19:24,400 --> 03:19:27,480
I've never been paid a dime for anything that I do on really easy.

2409
03:19:27,480 --> 03:19:29,260
It's a something that I've done.

2410
03:19:29,820 --> 03:19:31,940
I've served on because our communities,

2411
03:19:32,220 --> 03:19:35,680
it's an economic development hub that is in this area that works

2412
03:19:35,680 --> 03:19:38,680
to help support the businesses that are considering coming in.

2413
03:19:38,680 --> 03:19:43,840
they don't necessarily go out and try to focus on this industry or that industry but they look at

2414
03:19:43,840 --> 03:19:49,420
whatever industries are coming into the area answer they act as a resource to help answer

2415
03:19:49,420 --> 03:19:55,100
questions facilitate conversation and direct them to be able to be in conversation with people

2416
03:19:55,100 --> 03:19:59,780
that they would talk to. I'm not paid to serve on that that's something that I do to try and serve

2417
03:19:59,780 --> 03:20:06,580
my community and be actively engaged in economic development. So that's not something I'm paid to

2418
03:20:06,580 --> 03:20:08,980
that's something I do to serve the citizens I represent.

2419
03:20:11,320 --> 03:20:17,160
That being said, they wanted to talk a little bit about what other things was on there.

2420
03:20:18,440 --> 03:20:27,460
So going back to what this is talking about, we have a private landowner that's here with us today that wants to use his land, the way that the Constitution allows him to use the land.

2421
03:20:27,460 --> 03:20:30,800
Everyone here's familiar with the Constitution, I would hope.

2422
03:20:31,340 --> 03:20:35,180
They're able to use that land the way that they want to within the Constitution,

2423
03:20:35,560 --> 03:20:38,480
personal property rights. They have those rights.

2424
03:20:38,880 --> 03:20:42,200
That's in this conversation, right? So they have the right to do that.

2425
03:20:42,220 --> 03:20:45,240
You have a private business that's wanting to come in and partner with them.

2426
03:20:45,500 --> 03:20:48,960
So those agreements are all between them. The county is not a part of those conversations.

2427
03:20:49,680 --> 03:20:53,040
Then you also have corporation commission that's involved to make a determination.

2428
03:20:53,040 --> 03:20:59,060
and they get it to decide if utility wants to purchase that power and then sell that power.

2429
03:20:59,340 --> 03:21:01,720
Those are all private entities all having a conversation.

2430
03:21:02,360 --> 03:21:07,100
Our role as I understand it is does this meet our ordinance or does it not?

2431
03:21:08,400 --> 03:21:10,040
Am I misunderstanding something here?

2432
03:21:11,120 --> 03:21:12,080
On our role, Cody.

2433
03:21:13,380 --> 03:21:14,940
I don't believe so, Mr. Chairman, no.

2434
03:21:15,200 --> 03:21:19,640
We complete our analysis of the comprehensive plan and zoning ordinance making our recommendation,

2435
03:21:19,900 --> 03:21:22,060
which you then make a motion regarding.

2436
03:21:22,060 --> 03:21:26,060
OK, so it has to do with the ordinance and whether it meets the ordinance or it doesn't.

2437
03:21:26,860 --> 03:21:27,020
Perfect.

2438
03:21:27,940 --> 03:21:31,540
That being said, so we've talked about whether it meets the ordinance or whether it doesn't.

2439
03:21:31,680 --> 03:21:33,820
Your recommendation is that it meets the ordinance.

2440
03:21:34,800 --> 03:21:36,860
I appreciate some of the concerns I've heard.

2441
03:21:36,980 --> 03:21:40,380
What other comments or questions the members of the board have about this project?

2442
03:21:44,180 --> 03:21:47,420
I'm just going to weigh in on one thing as well.

2443
03:21:49,510 --> 03:21:54,910
I think that I didn't get a catcher first name that is shared with us.

2444
03:21:54,910 --> 03:22:00,310
This area has been known for its natural resources, for its wind, for its solar, for a long

2445
03:22:00,310 --> 03:22:08,090
long time. Prior to anybody on this board, this is something that the county made a decision

2446
03:22:08,090 --> 03:22:16,650
that they would entertain and allow to have happen in our county. And we have had several projects

2447
03:22:16,650 --> 03:22:23,610
that we have supported going forward. So I think we'll set up pretty strong precedents as to what

2448
03:22:23,610 --> 03:22:33,370
We want in this area what we're trying to do to also generate jobs and economic impact.

2449
03:22:34,230 --> 03:22:40,950
And I think it's something that we weigh in very rarely do we have opposition to a solar

2450
03:22:40,950 --> 03:22:43,590
power generation station at all.

2451
03:22:43,990 --> 03:22:47,590
And so I think it's something that we have to look at that we're doing.

2452
03:22:47,590 --> 03:22:56,890
And I know also that staff is working on, that when these projects use exceed their, come to the end of their useful life,

2453
03:22:57,330 --> 03:23:04,230
that then there's also the ways for the property to be reclaimed back to the inner, to original state as close as possible.

2454
03:23:04,890 --> 03:23:08,610
So there are a lot of measures that are being taken as we move forward with this.

2455
03:23:08,890 --> 03:23:10,010
Thank you.

2456
03:23:10,210 --> 03:23:10,550
Thank you.

2457
03:23:10,830 --> 03:23:11,290
Thank you very much.

2458
03:23:11,690 --> 03:23:13,170
President, you bring that up too.

2459
03:23:13,170 --> 03:23:13,810
there it

2460
03:23:18,350 --> 03:23:23,450
goes. Bringing that up that there's a 20-year agreement in which they have to

2461
03:23:23,450 --> 03:23:27,690
remove that entirely and including buying a bond in case they were to not fulfill that

2462
03:23:27,690 --> 03:23:30,790
responsibility. We could trigger the bond to make sure that that's taking care of

2463
03:23:30,790 --> 03:23:37,670
protecting our kids and their kids and those those things. So the other thing that I

2464
03:23:37,670 --> 03:23:42,550
I want to bring up that I don't want to I want to make sure that it's known that it was

2465
03:23:42,550 --> 03:23:45,730
heard. One thing that's really in conflict for me but I'm not sure

2466
03:23:45,730 --> 03:23:49,910
really how to resolve that is we had a rancher that just talked about how it would impact

2467
03:23:49,910 --> 03:23:54,550
their way of life and many of the ranchers in this area don't own the land that they

2468
03:23:54,550 --> 03:23:59,590
ranch a lot of times they lease those bits of land and so we can see that there's a conflict

2469
03:23:59,590 --> 03:24:04,250
that's here I'm not sure entirely how to resolve that in that you have a land owner that has

2470
03:24:04,250 --> 03:24:09,370
private property rights they can either lease that land to a rancher and let them use it

2471
03:24:09,370 --> 03:24:12,890
or they can take that land and use it for something else.

2472
03:24:14,110 --> 03:24:22,070
Words in conflict for me is I'm not sure that it's government's role to step in and dictate to them how to use their land and what to use it for.

2473
03:24:22,630 --> 03:24:34,610
But it doesn't mean that it doesn't cause me some concern around how it impacts that rancher that's been there for quite a few generations.

2474
03:24:36,410 --> 03:24:41,430
And I know that when we're lease in land or rent in land or when you're looking at doing something like that,

2475
03:24:41,690 --> 03:24:44,750
you don't own it, so you don't have the control that you would hope to have.

2476
03:24:45,730 --> 03:24:51,610
But boy, it's sure I don't know that we have a solution or a way to be able to resolve that.

2477
03:24:52,910 --> 03:24:55,550
But I do have concerns around how it will.

2478
03:25:02,080 --> 03:25:07,400
As I understand it with solar, the difference is when we have, sorry, my microphone keeps going off.

2479
03:25:07,400 --> 03:25:12,300
So with solar, the difference is they will have to move off of that land.

2480
03:25:13,120 --> 03:25:17,480
They will have like a trail that their cattle can go through or whatever, but they will have to come off that land

2481
03:25:17,480 --> 03:25:21,220
Whereas with wind, they can still be on that land.

2482
03:25:21,420 --> 03:25:23,400
Is that your understanding as well, Cody?

2483
03:25:24,180 --> 03:25:24,820
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

2484
03:25:25,280 --> 03:25:32,340
Yes, that is generally correct as far as the solar versus wind is that solar takes up quite a bit of ground area.

2485
03:25:32,340 --> 03:25:37,120
to prevent grazing though a large number of these projects do provide grazing corridors

2486
03:25:37,120 --> 03:25:41,360
as well as migration corridors for wildlife and those native animals present.

2487
03:25:41,800 --> 03:25:48,480
But wind provides a much more limited footprint of the concrete that's there and it allows

2488
03:25:48,480 --> 03:25:51,100
for multi-using grazing on a larger scale.

2489
03:25:52,320 --> 03:25:53,600
Thank you for sharing that.

2490
03:25:57,080 --> 03:25:58,580
Any other comments or questions?

2491
03:25:58,820 --> 03:26:03,000
There's a lot that's going on with this conversation, so I want to make sure that there

2492
03:26:03,000 --> 03:26:06,420
members of the board that have comments or questions that those are heard.

2493
03:26:10,420 --> 03:26:15,180
Okay. I'm not hearing any. And I tried to walk through what I heard were some of the

2494
03:26:15,180 --> 03:26:20,960
different concerns as far as what Navajo County's role is, how often the public or when

2495
03:26:20,960 --> 03:26:27,120
the public has an opportunity to speak on these issues and even addressing if, in fact, it was

2496
03:26:27,120 --> 03:26:32,360
to get approved what happens on the way forward. I would like to. I know part of this is one of

2497
03:26:32,360 --> 03:26:36,340
the last projects before we made that statement that's coming through here that that should be

2498
03:26:36,340 --> 03:26:42,640
something at least that we're considering as we look at the, we reconsider the ordinances at

2499
03:26:42,640 --> 03:26:51,260
how this impacts the ranchers that are working on those lands. So at this point, if

2500
03:26:51,260 --> 03:26:53,860
there's no other discussion, chair would entertain a motion.

2501
03:26:59,600 --> 03:27:03,280
If you're making motion, that we approve this project as presented.

2502
03:27:06,860 --> 03:27:08,220
We have a motion for approval

2503
03:27:08,220 --> 03:27:10,560
And a second, any more discussion?

2504
03:27:12,340 --> 03:27:15,080
Hearing none, all those in favor, but I.

2505
03:27:16,300 --> 03:27:17,460
Any opposed vote, nay?

2506
03:27:18,780 --> 03:27:20,260
Hearing none, B.I.s. having.

2507
03:27:25,090 --> 03:27:25,470
All right.

2508
03:27:26,070 --> 03:27:28,630
We're going to move to item eight.

2509
03:27:28,990 --> 03:27:30,950
County Business Update.

2510
03:27:32,850 --> 03:27:34,790
I'm Mr. Carlin, do you have anything to do with this?

2511
03:27:37,860 --> 03:27:39,160
Thank you Mr. Layton, anything?

2512
03:27:40,700 --> 03:27:41,760
It's a pleasure seeing more anything.

2513
03:27:41,760 --> 03:27:48,640
The only thing that I have the drill of it today is it's Melissa's birthday, and I think we need honor her and her birthday today

2514
03:27:48,640 --> 03:27:52,660
You know, so we at least need to see happy birthday. Do what I do

2515
03:27:53,400 --> 03:27:56,720
You're gonna do that now. I know afterwards we're planning on doing some cake and

2516
03:27:59,780 --> 03:28:03,140
You know, she's 49 and holding so I think that's good

2517
03:28:04,060 --> 03:28:07,440
Let's see that sounds like the public wants to join us, too. Let's see happy birthday

2518
03:28:07,440 --> 03:28:07,660
I think.

2519
03:28:08,340 --> 03:28:09,420
Have a bird.

2520
03:28:10,360 --> 03:28:11,120
Thank you.

2521
03:28:26,680 --> 03:28:26,880
Perfect.

2522
03:28:27,060 --> 03:28:27,760
Thank you, supervisor.

2523
03:28:27,960 --> 03:28:28,680
Another comment.

2524
03:28:29,080 --> 03:28:30,000
Thank you.

2525
03:28:30,720 --> 03:28:31,040
All right.

2526
03:28:31,200 --> 03:28:32,140
Supervisor Peshkai.

2527
03:28:33,320 --> 03:28:34,280
I'm not a displeasure.

2528
03:28:34,640 --> 03:28:34,900
Thank you.

2529
03:28:34,980 --> 03:28:35,300
Thank you.

2530
03:28:35,600 --> 03:28:36,240
Supervisor White Singer.

2531
03:28:36,840 --> 03:28:37,360
Thank you.

2532
03:28:37,880 --> 03:28:39,360
Vice Chair, but now I need anything.

2533
03:28:41,180 --> 03:28:42,640
And I'll let hold my comments as well.

2534
03:28:43,680 --> 03:28:44,700
So that way.

2535
03:28:45,420 --> 03:28:47,500
Oh, we're at the end of the call to the public.

2536
03:28:48,260 --> 03:28:50,660
We have three item.

2537
03:28:50,660 --> 03:28:57,420
three requests to speak on call to the public. We'll start with Cecilia and then we'll go to

2538
03:28:57,420 --> 03:29:09,040
Donna after that. Good morning. Try to be quick. I have heard some really good reports about the

2539
03:29:09,040 --> 03:29:16,200
elections and how Ray Lane had reached out and made sure that the GOP was there, the Democrats were

2540
03:29:16,200 --> 03:29:22,580
there when all the tabulating was going on. The observing was, it looks, it sounds like it was very

2541
03:29:22,580 --> 03:29:49,600
They're all one of the things that I'm still going to ask for is to put an item on the agenda again just to review the electronic voting machines that we're still tabulating on and some of the new information that has come across just for future elections because I still don't have many people in the public still don't have a piece about what the voting machines are doing.

2542
03:29:49,600 --> 03:29:57,280
Even if you're there watching them, all you're doing is watching them, you're not inside, there's no chain of command inside those machines.

2543
03:29:58,780 --> 03:29:59,000
Anyway.

2544
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:14,840
I want to say thank you for being so on top of it this year. The other thing that I wanted to bring up is on the wind farms. There is a study that I just wanted to get on record real quick.

2545
03:30:14,840 --> 03:30:21,440
In 2021, September of 2021, oh gosh, let me pull this up.

2546
03:30:25,220 --> 03:30:29,700
August 19th of 2021, the Securities and Exchange Commission of Teen Final

2547
03:30:29,700 --> 03:30:36,520
judgments against four former executives of Blue Earth, a former alternative and

2548
03:30:36,520 --> 03:30:41,320
renewable energy services company for their alleged roles in defrauding investors

2549
03:30:41,320 --> 03:30:46,020
by materially misrepresenting the company's relationship with a key customer.

2550
03:30:46,020 --> 03:30:49,600
The scope of its business operations and financial condition.

2551
03:30:50,220 --> 03:30:52,920
Blue or three newables is related to Blue or Earth.

2552
03:30:53,240 --> 03:30:57,000
Blue or three newables, a private independent power producer that acquires develops,

2553
03:30:57,140 --> 03:31:02,200
builds, owns, and operates hydro solar and storage facility across North America.

2554
03:31:02,880 --> 03:31:05,640
Blue or Earth is headquartered in Calgary, Alberta.

2555
03:31:06,520 --> 03:31:11,140
A company that offers services as Blue Ben's support, such as Blue Ben's support.

2556
03:31:11,480 --> 03:31:14,520
Anyway, it's in Canada, Canadian Company.

2557
03:31:15,860 --> 03:31:22,540
By the way, did you know that 99% of Americans in Europeans look up to polluted skies

2558
03:31:22,540 --> 03:31:24,160
unable to see the Milky Way?

2559
03:31:24,480 --> 03:31:29,740
It's really one of the most thorough studies that we have today on light pollution across

2560
03:31:29,740 --> 03:31:30,540
the globe.

2561
03:31:31,460 --> 03:31:36,200
Sheryl Ann Bishop Communications Director for the International Dark Sky Association, which

2562
03:31:36,200 --> 03:31:37,780
fights light pollution.

2563
03:31:38,240 --> 03:31:43,080
She says light pollution is still on the fringes of what most people consider to be a pollution

2564
03:31:43,080 --> 03:31:47,900
and one of the biggest challenges her organization faces is increasing awareness of this

2565
03:31:47,900 --> 03:31:49,100
problem in developing countries.

2566
03:31:49,660 --> 03:31:56,580
They just want more light, bigger brighter light, she says, because that's what they understand

2567
03:31:56,580 --> 03:31:57,080
is development.

2568
03:31:58,240 --> 03:32:07,000
I'm just, when we're looking at blue earth renewables, I just want to be able to echo what

2569
03:32:07,000 --> 03:32:11,500
I think, what I'm hearing from the public, and that is they don't trust blue earth.

2570
03:32:11,500 --> 03:32:19,980
the wind turbines are ugly. They emit energy pulses that are injuring those people around them.

2571
03:32:20,360 --> 03:32:26,920
They leave dead wildlife underneath them. I don't know if you guys have ever been under them. There are some here.

2572
03:32:27,080 --> 03:32:28,280
And I'm done.

2573
03:32:28,860 --> 03:32:29,760
Thank you. Thank you.

2574
03:32:29,920 --> 03:32:30,500
Appreciate you reading that.

2575
03:32:31,440 --> 03:32:34,240
All right. We're going to go to Donna next. Donna?

2576
03:32:41,450 --> 03:32:43,690
Good afternoon. Thank you for your time. This morning.

2577
03:32:43,690 --> 03:32:51,550
I am here to say that the election seemed to have run pretty smoothly, but there are still some shortcomings that I wanted to address.

2578
03:32:51,950 --> 03:33:04,370
Specifically, ARS-16-531 says that each polling site in Arizona is supposed to be equally sacked with two of the major parties from the last general election, which is Democrat and Republican.

2579
03:33:04,370 --> 03:33:06,470
And yet I worked in the White River poll.

2580
03:33:06,650 --> 03:33:10,290
There were 17 Democrats and two Republicans.

2581
03:33:11,010 --> 03:33:15,930
Don't understand why that doesn't seem to be honored or respected.

2582
03:33:18,150 --> 03:33:22,750
We have four Republicans that I know of that were, they went through the trading classes

2583
03:33:22,750 --> 03:33:23,950
and they never even called.

2584
03:33:24,790 --> 03:33:29,070
So to say that there weren't enough people, I don't even know, I've since March, April

2585
03:33:29,070 --> 03:33:35,710
asked and wondered how you guys seek and search for polling staff yet I don't see anything

2586
03:33:35,710 --> 03:33:40,310
in the newspaper you know there's something that did change on the Navajo County website that

2587
03:33:41,470 --> 03:33:47,350
said poll workers instead of election board members which to me that did clarify a little bit

2588
03:33:47,350 --> 03:33:54,630
for people who are going on the county website to try to find availability to help but why is there

2589
03:33:54,630 --> 03:33:57,690
Not any advertising done locally in the newspaper,

2590
03:33:58,410 --> 03:34:01,810
we see lots of advertisements from the Navajo County

2591
03:34:01,810 --> 03:34:04,950
looking for workers for different positions within the county,

2592
03:34:05,130 --> 03:34:06,710
but yet there's nothing for poll workers.

2593
03:34:07,610 --> 03:34:09,830
And then we come to the General Election,

2594
03:34:10,530 --> 03:34:13,110
and I was setting up the poll in White River on Monday.

2595
03:34:13,750 --> 03:34:17,170
And I had two friends that hadn't been called for publicans.

2596
03:34:17,430 --> 03:34:18,350
They had gone through the class.

2597
03:34:18,490 --> 03:34:20,350
They took the time to go through the four hour class,

2598
03:34:20,350 --> 03:34:21,530
and they weren't called yet.

2599
03:34:21,530 --> 03:34:28,210
Kristen Haddix was panicking. She needed people. I mean, why the day before the election are we having situations like that?

2600
03:34:28,230 --> 03:34:32,810
I've been talking on record to you and addressing you as kind as I can

2601
03:34:32,810 --> 03:34:38,050
asking you simple question. Why are you not addressing the situation with the need for poll workers?

2602
03:34:38,050 --> 03:34:44,170
It doesn't seem that it's being honored and it's a fair question to ask I think. I don't know

2603
03:34:44,170 --> 03:34:52,650
I believe Brian Layton oversees the elections office position, but it doesn't seem to be making anybody do anything.

2604
03:34:52,730 --> 03:34:58,790
And I think it's just disrespectful to be disregarding the ARS that we have on the books.

2605
03:34:59,370 --> 03:35:10,670
So I do wish that there will be also a follow-up for the elections again as sort of a as was sent out when I asked last time for the primary election because I think that is a good way to be able to

2606
03:35:10,670 --> 03:35:16,790
green information from workers, but I did have two friends that were scheduled to go to

2607
03:35:16,790 --> 03:35:23,190
Pinyon polling center. Up in the reservation, they tried to call numerous times the actual

2608
03:35:23,190 --> 03:35:29,410
inspector of the Pinyon polling site. Never had a full call from him back, five times they called.

2609
03:35:29,790 --> 03:35:33,650
They then tried to call and confirm with the Navajo County elections office three times.

2610
03:35:34,050 --> 03:35:38,110
Were they scheduled, what time, wherever, so they made hotel reservations to go up there for

2611
03:35:38,110 --> 03:35:43,210
tonight and they basically started driving up there and we're told that they had had

2612
03:35:43,210 --> 03:35:46,450
too many problems in opinion when they had worked there during the primary election.

2613
03:35:46,950 --> 03:35:48,350
So they weren't going to be hired this time.

2614
03:35:48,590 --> 03:35:52,450
While they had never been given the courtesy of a phone call eight times they had tried.

2615
03:35:52,790 --> 03:35:54,570
So to me there's some things that need to be changed.

2616
03:35:55,170 --> 03:35:55,570
Thank you.

2617
03:35:55,570 --> 03:35:56,770
I thank you for your time.

2618
03:35:56,930 --> 03:35:57,270
Thank you.

2619
03:35:58,710 --> 03:35:58,850
Thank you.

2620
03:35:58,850 --> 03:35:59,550
Thank you.

2621
03:35:59,550 --> 03:35:59,930
Thank you.

2622
03:36:07,720 --> 03:36:08,980
Good afternoon members of the board.

2623
03:36:09,000 --> 03:36:11,820
My name is Jerry Hubbard and I live in Overgaard.

2624
03:36:11,820 --> 03:36:17,520
I'm a certified poll worker in Navajo County and attended poll worker training for the general

2625
03:36:17,520 --> 03:36:23,640
election on October 24th at the county complex building in Hebrew over guard. We were instructed

2626
03:36:23,640 --> 03:36:29,860
by Kristen Haddix, the election training coordinator for the county. When we came to the place in

2627
03:36:29,860 --> 03:36:36,160
the training manual concerning the completion of the official ballot report, I raised my hand and

2628
03:36:36,160 --> 03:36:42,200
ask the question, what would happen if at the end of the election day when the ballots were

2629
03:36:42,200 --> 03:36:47,740
counted and sent with the sheriff's deputy to the to holdbrook, the elections inspector

2630
03:36:47,740 --> 03:36:54,800
did not complete and sent in the official ballot report. She replied, quote, that would be

2631
03:36:54,800 --> 03:37:01,780
very, very bad and would be a big problem for me, unquote. Then I asked, wouldn't that indicate

2632
03:37:01,780 --> 03:37:07,280
a failure in the chain of custody and calling to question whether those ballots should be counted.

2633
03:37:08,280 --> 03:37:13,560
She disagreed with me but seemed at a loss to be able to answer the question any further.

2634
03:37:14,360 --> 03:37:20,520
I then said that for the primary election in July 30, there were three polling places that

2635
03:37:20,520 --> 03:37:26,680
did not return an official ballot report and there were others that were missing some or all of the

2636
03:37:26,680 --> 03:37:29,800
signatures of the poll workers at that location.

2637
03:37:30,840 --> 03:37:36,760
And so apparently, a situation that is described as very, very bad and a big problem

2638
03:37:37,160 --> 03:37:43,540
was not bad enough, or big enough, to be addressed by the elections department, or considered

2639
03:37:43,540 --> 03:37:49,720
by you, the Board of Supervisors, since you presumably went ahead and certified that election.

2640
03:37:50,860 --> 03:37:56,120
As demonstrated in the general election a week ago, the state of Arizona, and including

2641
03:37:56,120 --> 03:38:02,140
Navajo County have shown by their inability to finish counting ballots in a timely matter

2642
03:38:02,140 --> 03:38:07,080
that we have once again become the laughing stock of the rest of the nation.

2643
03:38:07,860 --> 03:38:13,580
It is my hope that with the election of new county officials, including in the Recorder's office,

2644
03:38:14,000 --> 03:38:19,840
elected by a clear majority of citizen voters in Navajo County, that the problems I have just

2645
03:38:19,840 --> 03:38:25,460
described will be corrected. We all would like to look forward to elections that are truly

2646
03:38:25,460 --> 03:38:29,980
free, fair, transparent, and completed on time.

2647
03:38:30,600 --> 03:38:31,400
Thank you.

2648
03:38:31,500 --> 03:38:32,080
Thank you.

2649
03:38:32,080 --> 03:38:32,300
Thank you.

2650
03:38:32,680 --> 03:38:33,500
Thank you.

2651
03:38:33,500 --> 03:38:34,140
All right.

2652
03:38:34,420 --> 03:38:36,440
That's all the public that we have.

2653
03:38:37,140 --> 03:38:37,740
Okay.

2654
03:38:38,120 --> 03:38:38,360
Excellent.

2655
03:38:38,780 --> 03:38:39,720
With that.

2656
03:38:40,040 --> 03:38:40,760
Chair, can I respond?

2657
03:38:41,220 --> 03:38:41,300
Yes.

2658
03:38:41,440 --> 03:38:41,700
Please.

2659
03:38:42,840 --> 03:38:48,700
As far as the timing of voting being counted, there's several states that we're still counting.

2660
03:38:48,980 --> 03:38:52,100
It's just that our races were so close that nothing was declared.

2661
03:38:52,100 --> 03:38:58,260
And so I don't think we're any slower than any other place when you look at all of the races that we're still

2662
03:38:58,260 --> 03:39:02,500
contested in Arizona. And I'm going to again

2663
03:39:02,500 --> 03:39:08,720
ask staff to look into some of the era irregularities in our voting

2664
03:39:08,720 --> 03:39:13,020
and to have an assessment follow up with the committees and to possibly

2665
03:39:13,020 --> 03:39:17,340
make adjustments where we can going forward so we can continue to improve.

2666
03:39:17,860 --> 03:39:20,420
And I just want to thank all the citizens who came out and voted

2667
03:39:20,420 --> 03:39:28,740
And for those who worked in the polls and as well as the people who commented today who shared their time in their talents who appreciate it.

2668
03:39:28,960 --> 03:39:30,280
Thank you.

2669
03:39:30,280 --> 03:39:31,540
Thank you, any other comments?

2670
03:39:33,260 --> 03:39:33,420
Okay.

2671
03:39:33,960 --> 03:39:35,760
With that we stand adjourned.

2672
03:39:35,940 --> 03:39:36,880
Come back.

2673
03:39:37,200 --> 03:39:38,720
Let's have one clock for a work session.

2674
03:39:39,880 --> 03:39:40,060
Perfect.

2675
03:39:40,720 --> 03:39:41,260
Thank you.