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pertains to our first public hearing on
ordinance 2026-03.

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Current and proposed building permit fee
rates and proposed additional flat fee

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are described
um as follows. Our current rate is $5

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per thousand, a project value with a
minimum fee of $25.

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The proposed rate is $6 per thousand or
a fraction thereof of project value with

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a minimum fee of $75. This is a rate
increase of 20%.

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The proposed additional flat fee of $75
or the proposed additional flat fee is

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$75 with no minimum. This is an increase
of 100% from um $0 previously.

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For example, for a project with a
proposed value of 400,000,

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the permanent fees are calculated um as
follows. The current fee structure um

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with the value based fee of $5 per 400
um would be $5 for each,000 and fraction

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thereof of propo proposed value would be
$2,000.

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With the proposed fee structure, there
would be a flat fee of $75.

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Then the value based fee um would be $6
time 400

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um which is $6 for each thousand and a
fraction thereof of proposed value for a

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total of $2,400.
And so the total permit fee in the

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proposed structure would be $2,475.

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This is an increase of 20% in value
based fee and 24% in total permit fee.

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pull up now.
There we go. This these are the examples

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I just ran through here.

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Okay. Um for trade permits, demolition
permits, signs, and display structures,

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the original fee is a $25 minimum when
when there's a permit required or $5 per

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thousand of work beyond the minimum. The
proposed fee here would be $75 flat fee

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plus $6 per,000 of work.
For manufactured homes, the original fee

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is $150 per single wide and $175 per
double wide. Proposed fee would be $75

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flat fee and again $6 per thousand of
project value plus any applicable trade

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permits.

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We also have reinspection fees and
special use permits when required by

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local or state statutes. The original
fees for this is $25 per additional

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inspection and $25 for special use
permit. Proposed fees would go to $75

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per additional inspection and also $75
for a special use permit.

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There is also language added to define
being ready for an inspection,

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expectations of inspectors, and access
being provided to sites for inspections.

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We have some new proposed fees. Um, we
propose a fee for stop work order of

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$100 plus $50 per site visit. Work
without a permit would be $250.

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A temporary co is $150 plus $150 per
month. Um, a plan amendment would be $50

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minimum and a canceled permit a $75
minimum.

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» [snorts]

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» Some projected revenue impacts of the
fees proposed for the building permit

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fees are shown here. The additional $75
flat fee proposal. Um the potential

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revenue there would be $49,125.
This is taking the $75 flat fee and

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multiplying it by the $655
annual average annual permits.

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The value base fee increase from $5 per
thousand to $6 per thousand would

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generate a fee rate increase of $71,600.

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The projected average annual revenue is
$478,725

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and currently the FY27 operating budget
is $433,366.

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Um this is noted to be prior to
inclusion of the 3 and a half% salary

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increase and benefits transfer.

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This um equates to a revenue operating
budget recovery rate of 110%.

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And again that's prior to the salary
increase being transferred into that

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departmental budget.
So in conclusion, um there's an

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estimated minimal impact to consumers
with these fee increases. The proposed

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fee adjustments move the department to
estimated full operational st

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sustainability.
Virginia law requires these funds to

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support building department functions.
Additional revenue supports code

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enforcement, staff retention, facility
maintenance, and long-term operational

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stability.

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So, next step is to answer any questions
you might have. Um, then conduct the

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public hearing and consider adoption of
the ordinance.

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» This is public hearing.

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» Yes, just one.
>> Yes. Public hearing number one.

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» I've got comments, but public hear.
But no questions for her for

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clarification.
Okay. Anybody have questions for Candy?

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All right, hearing none. Um, we're going
to open the public hearing for O2026-03

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amendment to chapter 4 buildings article
2 building code.

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All right, we have no one sign up.
I have a feeling we have a taker.

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Please state your name and address. Uh,
and if you are representing yourself,

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you get three minutes.
>> Yeah, I'm just my name is Phil Pervis

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[clears throat] 509 made land uh
shipment, Virginia. Um, I just hadn't

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really had a lot of time to read up on
this, but it seems like 150% increase in

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some of these fees is a little
excessive. I mean, we're dealing with uh

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extremely [clears throat] high building
cost as it is. We're trying to get make

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uh homes affordable for young people and
every time we turn around we're adding

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you know we're this adds no value just
adds cost to the house. It makes it

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difficult for younger people to uh you
know to to buy or or even think about

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it. I mean it's almost out of u range
for most young people uh today as it is.

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But I I think we really ought to take a
hard look at I mean I know that things

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are going up. I mean, labor costs are
are higher for the uh building officials

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and everything, but 150% increase on
some of these things, I think, is really

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[clears throat] excessive and it's just
creative hardship for uh not only I

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mean, the builder has to add uh cost to
build which is passed right on to the um

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to the uh whoever's purchasing or
whoever they're building for. And I

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think if we're trying to want to try to
make housing more affordable affordable

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for people here in Nelson County. We
need to take a hard look at some of

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these things and see if we can't trim it
back a little bit. I know that like I

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said, everybody's cost is going up and I
know uh certainly the building

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inspections have uh have, you know, the
raises and and uh everything. But I

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think you get my drift here. It's just
that just seems a little excessive. Uh I

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think for one, you know, going in and
some of us from zero to over 100% is

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just uh really high, but I think I'm
opposed to that for what it's worth.

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Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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So, no one else has signed up.
Any other takers?

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We're going to co close public hearing.

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All right. Any discussion questions?
>> Um, Candy real quick. So, in

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conversations with those the building
community, we do understand and we are

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very much interested in the retention of
our employees. So, some changes within

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the change of fees and how we're
structuring it is reasonable. Um,

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especially the ones where, you know,
he's getting called out because there's

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no permit. You know, yes, there needs to
be a fee there. the standard 75 makes

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sense. Uh TCO's that's a very reasonable
expectation. Um,

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I think one that I would probably bode
well amongst the builder community and

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the consumer would be having the uh
having the um

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instead of doing a the flat fee, just do
the minimum as 75 $75 and then increase

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it from five to six and then we keep the
rest of the language as is if that makes

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sense. Um, I I just think it's a little
bit

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unnecessary to add in a flat random $75
fee because certainly you might perceive

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that as a uh a small number in the whole
story. But let's I I think it should be

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a $75 minimum that takes it up to I
think it's essentially $10,000 worth of

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work. I think that is kind of like that
arbit not arbitrary number but that

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number would fit in. And then the
mechanicals I think that's reasonable to

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be 75. All that makes sense. I just
think we should do the five to six and

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just do the min a minimum of $75.
That's my only take.

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» It's almost semantics. It's the same
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» I mean, it's going to be 75.
>> No, it's not 75 if up to $10,000. After

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that, it goes if it's above that, then
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would be more than

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Yeah. The original fee is 20 $25 minimum
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» Yeah.
>> So, you're proposing to do $75 minimum,

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» $6 per thousand,
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I mean, how many building permits fall
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» percentage.
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[clears throat]
>> Can you come forward?

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» Sorry, wrong microphone.
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but I believe it would be it would be
roughly.

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» She wants microphone. Go
>> the mic.

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I don't have the exact number of the
permits that would be that would fall

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into the minimum range. Uh but it would
be somewhere if I had to guess it would

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be
professional guess but somewhere in the

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20%
mark. Uh the the $75 flat fee

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uh versus a $75 minimum. And you know
this is just rough math. Um the the $6

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th000 versus the $5 on a thousand would
increase by and again Kent just went

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over this but and I'm going off of
memory of this a month ago. I haven't

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looked at it since but uh that would
increase uh potentially

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increase based on the last four years of
averages um by 20%. Right. and uh and

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then that would get us
just under

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the 20% would get us just under
operating budget cost. So if we did not

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do a flat fee um
and I can pull these numbers up, I can

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go grab my iPad and pull these numbers
up. uh then it would it would bring us

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right just under operating budget
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» current operating budget uh with the 20%
increase and and and with the $75 flat

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fee and the other fees included
hypothetically

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it could bring us to operating costs
that may be slightly over slightly under

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on an average
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» currently. Yeah. Right. Uh the $75 flat
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was an option for the board to consider
to take us beyond

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» operating budget. Uh so so I would not
say again right it would be the board's

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decision uh the building department
myself the building code official we

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will do and work with whatever it is
that we need to work with we'll figure

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it out um but
we're tasked with

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giving you viable options and those are
the viable options.

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» Remind me again the last time that we
updated these

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It's um it's different depending on
which which um code sections you look

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at. Um I don't have this one in front of
me. I think some of them were early

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2000s, some
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» I think. So yeah.
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» Yeah. And then some that we'll
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with ENS andor
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also what has increased exponentially is
the cost of building structures. So a

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house 20 years ago $5. Correct? Yes. So
that makes sense. But those structures

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are now double if not triple what they
once were able to build back in 2002. So

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you're getting that you're still getting
a lot of that value just on the

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inflationary factor of construction.
Um, we see that a lot with how we treat

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the real estate tax rate as well. We
live off of the inflation of it.

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Normally, we don't increase it. Um,
generally speaking, I mean, building

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departments don't normally run a surplus
in fees to operate. And that I can

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probably speak for most neighbors of the
localities around us. They don't operate

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on a surplus. It's very I don't know any
that do. Maybe some of the big guys are.

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math, it could be in an hour where
they're not operating in a surplus.

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» It could be what?
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running into a surplus,
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» salaries are changing all the time.
>> Sure.

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» One could change today.
>> One could change and then immediately

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send Yeah, I see. I
>> So that is not an argument because it's

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not a long it's not a large number.
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» the difference
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there are a lot more costs that go
>> like they need a new building

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» towards you know
>> it's falling into a creek.

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» So So yeah so like so like the building
right we we we may not necessarily be

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or have planned to build a a brand new
building. Uh but there are things that

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we're looking into currently. Uh I've
requested um a specific amount of money

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in the CIP, the capital improvement
project fund. Uh that was given to us

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$115,000 towards u you know having
someone come out and look at the

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building and do a structural assessment.
It is believed that our building um was

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built on back fill unbeknownst to
anyone. Correct. U there have been some

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erosion lately based on weather events
and things of that nature, some cracks

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in the building and um we should
probably have it looked at. So, you

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know, that money, not not to mention
just the regular cost, you know, the

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people come service our HBAC, Southern
Air, uh when the maintenance department

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comes over and works on things and or
fixes things, the light bills, the the

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the personal property tech, you know
what I'm saying? Like, and then

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replacement costs. You know, those
things aren't taken into the annual

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budget. We have three vehicles. We need
three vehicles. Um the Ford Explorer

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that I have is currently, you know, on
it on its very last leg. We're doing all

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we can, but even at a $20,000 per
vehicle, if we, you know, we're buying

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them as cheap as we can get them off of
four fleet with all the discounts, uh

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that's still a three vehicle replacement
every five years. So you know those are

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additional things on the budget that
aren't taken into consideration for that

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number
>> right and how we treat those things

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obviously there's motor pool we kind of
try to source that that's kind of a

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though I understand it is related to the
building department you know we look at

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the grants of all the departments and
how we so I madam chair I don't know

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what the best mechanism you would like
to kind of get to a conclusion on that

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I'm generally supportive of all the fees
that have been proposed with those

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increases
I only have uh objections to the minimum

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to flat. I if to make it simpler um we
should just see if we have a consensus

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on that. We don't have to do a vote but
just generally get an idea because if I

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don't if there's no consensus then
there's no sense in having

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» I would like to also add I don't mean to
interject or make this work and I and I

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can talk Mr. Perves later about this but
there is nothing in there that is higher

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than a 20%
increase or right

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» a or a new fee. So the things that are
you know 100% increase that is there was

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never a fee to you know there was no
stop order fee now there is one so

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that's a that's a 100% increase
everything else is

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» nothing higher than
>> none of the existing fees are increasing

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150%
>> none of the existing fees they never

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existed
>> it's it's just increasing um

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» you know from $5 to to $6 there is one
that is the um uhh there is one that has

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changed significantly that is the
manufactured homes

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» that one could
>> and that yeah that one needs that's

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that's a good one to change
>> but uh but right and that was a general

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consensus among neighboring localities
and all of the builders etc and all of

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these things were looked into so um I
just don't want Mr.

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or anyone listening to this to think
that somehow in here we're price gouging

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or some kind of this is literally just
trying to break even and and

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» anyway
>> so for me I you know whether $75 is the

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number or not that's debatable but
there is a cost of having to pull up the

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the the application or pull out the
piece of paper and fill it in and

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process it. And that doesn't matter if
it's a $10,000 job or a $400,000 job,

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you know, the initial cost. So a flat
fee to me for each application I support

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because the the amount of work for staff
um and then um now whether 75 is the

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right number or not I don't know but I I
do um see similarities in my work

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environment and and there are certain
set expenses to do a transaction um no

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matter how big or small the transaction
is

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» and that's that's why there's a minimum
fee as well because if you're only

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doing10 $10,000 of work, which can be
HVAC system. It could be some mechanical

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changes within a house. Yeah, I agree
with you. That's where that 75. I'm just

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saying that when you start getting into
projects that are hitting that three,

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four, five, yes, I understand it's
minimal, but at the same time, showing

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some level of a, hey, you're going to be
doing another $100,000. Well, six times

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another hundred, you know, it's a lot
more money. It's a lot of money. I mean,

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these permits are not cheap these days,
as people in the audience have

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indicated, and you start doing two
300,000. Yeah, you're right. 75 bucks

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seems like nothing, but you compound
that with the 8,000 things through the

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course of a job site for a client and
then change. Yeah, it does start adding

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up. Um, and again, Madam Chair, you can
just get a consensus and then we can

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exit this conversation. So,
>> what's the expectation for tonight? Are

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we expect are we voting on these um
ordinances tonight or are we taking

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these into consideration? What are we
doing?

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» I I felt that it was prudent that the
building community have enough time to

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know where we stand so they have time to
prepare by January.

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» That was the general consensus at the
last.

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» So the answer is both to
>> I would love that.

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» Yeah. Okay. [laughter] I got it. Um,
and you know, I wouldn't be opposed to

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making the minimum
$100 and not having a flat fee.

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» I can do that.
>> You know, that's

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» um
>> 100 bucks.

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» Again, we have to understand that
there's a certain amount of work that

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that office has to do. No matter whether
the job is a $10,000 job or 100,000 or

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500, there's some initial startup work
that has to be done. It it would be

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better to have the minimum at 100 to 150
bucks than to throw that flat rate

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because I think 20%.
>> How about we ease into 100 as a minimum

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and do away with flat
>> 25.

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» Yeah. Okay.
So 100 minimum.

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» All right. Anyone else? There's two
>> five of us at this thing. Anybody else

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at 100?
>> 100 minimum.

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» All right. Consensus at 100. Thoughts.
Ernie

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» going once. Going twice.
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and that's basically two 10 grand. Yeah,
>> I I haven't done I haven't done the

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math, but it's going to alter those
numbers significantly. If you guys are

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thinking about, you know, things that
you'll be thinking about some other

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time.
>> If if you're thinking about changing

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what's on here, we should not take
action tonight until we have some

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numbers to compare. And I think that's
true.

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» Um um which is why which is why not
>> No. So, um, but you know, it's it it's

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one thing to focus on building costs and
contractors and such. It's another thing

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to focus on our department. And, um, and
I think that this does value to both of

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them. I mean, if it's been 20 years
since anything's increased, that's, you

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know, 1% a year over 20 years or less
than that, less than 1% a year. I mean,

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that's that's, you know, infantestimal
in my, you know, negligible, you know,

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as far as I'm concerned. But um but you
know being able to you know retain our

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staff and give them the support that
they need to do the job they have. Um

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you know I I kind of weigh in on that
side. I I would like to add that a that

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a significant amount of time and effort
was put into

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into this and I I do realize that you
know job costs are high and things of

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that nature but the the operating costs
and again if we're operate to break even

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this is this is where we are right like
if we don't want to do that that's fine

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but uh you know the $75 flat fee it was
taken into consideration okay How long

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does it take to process a permit? What
does it go through? How much paperwork's

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involved? How much involved? How much
personnel power is involved? And how

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many inspections on average per this?
Uh, you know, because if somebody says,

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"Okay, well, I mean, people come in all
the time and they say, "Oh, well, my

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project's only $3,000."
>> Okay, well,

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» that's a h 100 bucks.
>> Yeah. But if they come in and say it's,

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you know, $9,000 and then we've got to
go out there and do three inspections

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and process a permit, then someone has
to handle that permit processing for an

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hour and a half. And then we've got to
drive out there at an hourly rate of,

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you know, however long it takes one
person to go out there, three separate

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times.
>> Yeah.

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» I I'm just saying like those things were
taken into consideration before the flat

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fees and the 600 bel. And I I think and
I I completely understand whether

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whether it's the objective of this board
to have a surplus base building

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department or net neutral whatever it
may be. I don't know at this point I

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most people see the building department
in its in its you know uh not

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necessarily invention but really it was
to have a safe affordable mechanism for

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people to build structures and have safe
quality housing. Right? It's the same

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thing with the health department. We all
know the health department does not

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operate on a break even or a surplus
which both of those I guarantee you are

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you know of some level important of
equal importance.

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» Um you know I I really do think we would
be the minimum is a great number if

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we're doing 100 bucks is a minimum. I
think it's very reasonable. U most

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» Am I done talking?
>> Yes. [laughter]

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» Whatever the board decides Yeah.
>> We'll make work. And I I think we can

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also address the retention needs of this
building department as well as we do

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this.
>> Yeah. So, um if if you're going to be

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changing anything here, I'd just like to
see the numbers first.

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» Well, it How does everyone else feel
about that? That's one person's opinion.

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» I think so. We do know one solid number
and that's going from five to six, which

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is a $71,000 increase. So, that's I
don't know. These are

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» There you go. So going from five to six
creates another a new $71,000.

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Okay. Now that is is that including the
additional $75 flat fee number or is

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that just the five to six?
>> Just the five to6.

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» So just the five to six. Okay. And then
in addition to that flat fee is

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producing 49. Now, we're not taking that
$49,000

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and making it uh zero because as and I'm
not using the number that Mr. Mars has

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used. He said 20% of those permits are
hitting the minimum.

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» Right.
>> Right. So, out of that 655

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100 times
20 time 6 is about 30. I mean, you know,

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you're still getting another five $6,000
right on top of that 71. So the so just

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interjecting
[clears throat] the current annual

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operating cost based on four years of
um four years of averages is $432,000.

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That's the annual operating cost. The
current average annual revenue based on

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those same four years is $358,000.

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If you bring in the permit fee of 61,000
just that it could potentially uh based

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on averages bring us up to 4296
>> which would still fall short from the

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432.
>> That's not counting the minimum of 100

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though
>> and the three and a half. Well,

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» I mean I mean based on that we we
currently have a minimum of 25 up to

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5,000. So if we did a minimum of 100 up
to a th00and, I couldn't do the math off

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the top of my head, but I mean I feel
like that would increase by another, you

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know, four or 5%, which is, you know,
maybe maybe four four or five% versus

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the
>> So about 16 more grand.

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» Yeah.
>> So that would put us in a surface at

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that point.
>> It would it would put us in a surplus.

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the the additional $75 fee would
fix.

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» Yeah, it would it would add an
additional

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» 716 which I think was about 14%.
Another 14%. Yeah. [snorts]

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» I have a question.
If we're thinking about going up from 75

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to 100, do we have to have another
public hearing?

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» Maybe.

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It could
>> because it's higher than what was

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posted.
>> That is correct.

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» Yeah.
>> I mean, it's correct that it's higher

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than it was posted. Um,
yeah, I would have to check to see on

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that because that does apply for taxes,
but I'm not sure it applies to fees.

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» That's a valid question. [snorts]

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All right. Well, based on not knowing
that, I guess we have to defer vote if

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the consensus is 100 flat fee.
>> No, it was a consensus of 100 minimum

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and no flat fee is was I was

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» thoughts. It's fine.

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» I'm just going to put it out there. I'm
disgruntled. We're not voting on this

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tonight. [clears throat]
>> Yes, you are. [laughter] But that being

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said, I don't think that we're up
against a hard enough deadline that

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voting in September is a problem.
>> We we have also announced to the home

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builders association that it is
underway. So, it's not [snorts] as if

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the homebuilders aren't expecting
something to happen.

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» All right, we're deferring vote. We'll
move on to ordinance 02026-04

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amendments chapter 6 licenses permits
business regulations article one in the

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general.
>> So just to be clear um in preparation

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for next month um you'd like to see some
numbers on what the $100 minimum

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» minimum yes
>> would generate.

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» Yeah.
>> And whether we need

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» another public hearing or not.
>> Okay. We will.

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All right. We'll move on to second
public hearing tonight on ordinance

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2026-4.

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Okay. And this has to do with licenses,
permits, and business regulations um

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related to fees for inspection of
amusement devices and permits.

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Okay. So, for amusement device fees, um,
nonprofit organizations remain exempt

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from the fee schedule. So, the original
fees are shown on the left, proposed

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fees shown on the right. The kitty fee
would go from $15 to $55.

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A the major ride from $25 would um be
more broken out into a circular flat

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ride of less than 20 ft would be $75.
Spectacular ride would go from $45 to

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$100. Um there's a new zipline fee of
$150 each. A new coaster greater than 30

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ft of $200. a new coaster greater than
60 feet to $400.

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There would be an annual permit um fee
that would go from $25 per device. Um

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the annual permit would be $0. We would
remove that and then add a new

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reinspection fee of half the regular
inspection fee for each.

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And then we also added the state code
definition of a movement device.

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And those are pretty much all of those
changes. So happy to answer any

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questions before you conduct the public
hearing.

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» Are we expecting a roller coaster
anytime soon?

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» Massiey's million.
>> So that's my my seriously though my

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question is where do we see these fees
being implement? I mean, what's an

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example of where this might come into
play?

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» That I can't answer because the only one
I know of is the mass

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» and that's nonpro can answer that
question.

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» Did you go back to the
>> Yeah. So, so

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» yeah. So,
annual permit.

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I mean, I could see a zip line up the
winter green, you know, one them putting

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in a zip line or something like that,
maybe.

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» Yeah. Is that for your backyard, too,
though?

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» There's actually some new language about
that to where we're not going to be

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going to
um

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wintergreen for their snow tube and
things of that nature because they are

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um exempt from the amusement device
regulation. It's going to save our

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department quite a bit of liability and
time and personnel.

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etc. And they will be um through because
of you know through the Virginia music

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device regulations uh they will simply
just have their inspections done by

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their insurance company like every other
snowing device. That said, there are

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things up there such as the rock
climbing wall, um the Ninja Warrior

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course, and some other things uh that
fall into this. So, uh, really the new

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zip line, the new coaster, and the new
coaster, while they seem kind of comical

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right now while we're looking at them,
it really just kind of lines us up for

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anything that may happen in the future.
These are fees that are um kind of I

416
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:16,560
mean, they are typical in these types of
fees. Uh, they fall

417
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:22,560
this list falls directly from the uh
Virginia Ausement Device Regulation FE

418
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:28,399
chart. Those numbers are the numbers
that can be charged uh from that chart.

419
00:34:25,359 --> 00:34:36,879
And really all I'm attempting to do is
update this section of our fee addendum

420
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:44,399
to match current 2026 law so that in
2036 we will still not be behind the

421
00:34:39,839 --> 00:34:48,320
power curve 26 years 20 30 probably 30
some years like we are uh right now.

422
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:54,159
There's even some language change in
here that had to be changed from the old

423
00:34:51,520 --> 00:35:00,000
regulations to the new regulations. Uh
but again, this is right in line with

424
00:34:57,359 --> 00:35:05,280
all of the other localities. I want to
make sure that like Candy said, the

425
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:12,640
nonprofits will not be affected. Uh so
our annual um

426
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:16,800
uh Routin Club and Rockfish Valley Fire
Department are both nonprofits. They're

427
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:23,119
not going to be affected by this. Uh
this is more along the lines of if new

428
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:28,240
people come in or some type of business
that we are unaware of. I mean, we are

429
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:33,599
we are in some I don't say weird times,
but we're in some fast-paced growing

430
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:37,119
people have the knowledge in their
pocket, the world's knowledge in their

431
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:41,520
pocket, AI, they can I mean people are
coming up with all kinds of things and

432
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:46,320
people have come into my office, Sony's
office, and even said, "Hey, I'm

433
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:50,000
proposing I'm just thinking about an
amusement park. I'm thinking about this.

434
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:54,000
I'm thinking about that." And you know
those kind of things to me go oh my gosh

435
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:57,680
like we don't want to be behind the
power curve if somebody comes in here

436
00:35:55,839 --> 00:36:02,000
and actually does fill out an SVP or
something for fill in the blank. Right.

437
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:07,280
The building department wants to be
prepared for those things.

438
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:13,400
» Okay. Any other questions?
All right. We're going to open up a

439
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,400
public hearing for ordinance 02026-04.

440
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:24,240
We have no one signed up. Is there
anyone that just has a burning desire?

441
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:31,599
All right. Hearing none, we're closing
public hearing for ordinance 0206-04.

442
00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:35,920
Any discussion?
>> That's good out. It's ramping you up.

443
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:41,800
» I will entertain a motion.
>> Madam Chair, I move that we approve

444
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,800
ordinance 02026-4

445
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,200
as presented.
Second.

446
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,640
» All right. I have a motion and a second.
Any discussion?

447
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,960
Candy, would you like to do a roll call
vote?

448
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,000
» Yes. Mr. Bar?
>> Yes.

449
00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:55,359
» Mr. Reed?
>> Yes.

450
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,400
» Mr. Rutherford?
>> Yes.

451
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:58,000
» Mr. Lahan?
>> No.

452
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:01,000
» Dr. Lincoln?
>> Yes.

453
00:37:01,359 --> 00:37:07,680
» You know, you joke about the coaster
thing, but didn't mass not a roller

454
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:11,280
coaster, but one of those. It's almost
like you sit down on a thing and you're

455
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,640
on a track. One of those type of
coasters.

456
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,680
» A mountain coaster.
>> Yeah, a mountain coaster.

457
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:18,800
» I'd ride that. I think I think they just
put open one more maybe.

458
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:24,320
Anyway,
>> uh ordinance 2026-05

459
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:27,320
amendments chapter 9 appendix A fees.
Okay,

460
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,800
this ordinance is pertaining to a
version of sediment control and land

461
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:39,359
disturbance.
Um the original fees um

462
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:45,359
were based on complaints and special
site visits. Um well these these were

463
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:50,800
not addressed. proposed fee would impose
a new $75 per substantiated complaint

464
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:57,240
driven or unscheduled site visit that
resulted in necessary permitting. So

465
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:57,240
that's a new fee.

466
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:04,880
This chart is pertaining to land
disturbance inspection fees. The

467
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:09,760
original fee um at the beginning and end
of project was $35.

468
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:14,480
Proposed fee uh at the beginning and end
is $100.

469
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:20,560
um inspections once every eight weeks
would be $100. Once every eight weeks um

470
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:26,400
is proposed to go to $200. The once
every four weeks inspection would be is

471
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:30,320
$225 and then it's proposed to go to
$325.

472
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:34,680
There's no change to inspection fees for
once every two weeks at $450.

473
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:43,520
And those are all the changes proposed
there.

474
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:47,320
Happy to answer questions on these
before the public hearing.

475
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:56,079
» Any questions?
>> All right. Um, you want to do that after

476
00:38:53,839 --> 00:38:59,680
the public hearing?
>> Okay. Thank you.

477
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:05,400
» All right. We're going to open up the
public hearing for uh ordinance

478
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,400
02026-05.

479
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:15,240
No one has signed up.
But Mr. Pervvis has something to say.

480
00:39:15,359 --> 00:39:20,880
» Just for the record, state your name and
address again. [snorts]

481
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:28,079
» Pervis 509
shipment, Virginia. And I guess uh my

482
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:32,079
what's spinning in my head here, you
know, I know that that we're we're

483
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:36,880
raising uh fees and everything, but
we've got these guys employed. We're

484
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:42,720
paying them a salary for whatever it is
for eight hours a day. And if they're if

485
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:46,800
if that's part of their job and they're
going out and doing doing these

486
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:51,119
inspections, if they're not doing these
inspections, they're they're sitting at

487
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:56,400
the office. And I know we have expenses
in getting to and from a job. I

488
00:39:53,680 --> 00:40:00,320
understand that. But on all of not just
the the land disturbance but on the

489
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:05,680
other permits that I commented on
before. Um you know there there is

490
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:09,040
paperwork that has to be done but
they're they're they're in the you know

491
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:15,200
they they're in the office for eight
hours a day and that's kind of their job

492
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:21,440
is somebody has got to pull paperwork.
That is somebody's job. So my question

493
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:27,920
is and I understand that there you know
here again you know salaries and and

494
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:33,119
vehicles and all this other things but I
but at the same time you know we're

495
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:38,240
paying each of these guys a salary for
for the work that they're doing and then

496
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:45,520
we're charging that's already there and
then we want to add additional fees on

497
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:50,320
top of of that to substantiate other
things. I that just doesn't quite sit

498
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:54,880
real well with me. And I know, like I
said, I know that everybody has cost

499
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:59,760
increase. I mean, if you're in any kind
of business, things go up. Gas is more

500
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:04,160
expensive and everything, but when it
comes to pulling paperwork and, you

501
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:09,119
know, doing fees, we've got we've got
some they've got somebody in there that

502
00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:14,240
that takes the permit fee and you fill
out the form, you hand it to them, and

503
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:20,400
that's their job. So, I just wonder why
why do we need to increase the fees?

504
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:25,200
Do y'all get my drift on what I'm
saying? On top of of I mean, we've

505
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:30,160
already paying them a salary. They've
got to be doing they they've been

506
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:37,520
operating under those guidelines for all
these years. And now we're just adding

507
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:43,280
more and more uh fees, which here again
is is passed right on down the line. And

508
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:47,280
it's uh you know it affects it affects
everything. Affects anybody that's in

509
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:52,880
business as a builder. He's got to add
those fees into his cost of building

510
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:56,960
which is transferred right to the buyer
which you know we want you know we're

511
00:41:54,640 --> 00:42:01,839
trying to the big push for affordable
housing. Well every time we raise a fee

512
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:06,359
it makes it that much more unaffordable.
That's basically

513
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:06,359
» Thank you.

514
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:14,760
» Anyone else?
I'm going to close public hearing.

515
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:22,520
Candy, remind me again what sort of
deficit we're in

516
00:42:23,359 --> 00:42:27,079
» with the building department.

517
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:46,359
The FY27 operational budget is 433 366
>> and we brought in 300 something.

518
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:46,359
» Current average annual revenue is 358.

519
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:53,119
» We're almost there. Going to six and
then all these roller coasters.

520
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:58,359
» Oh no, we didn't vote on that. We're
still at five.

521
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,359
» We'll probably six.

522
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:04,400
Yeah. The the other thing I'd like to
say about this is that there there was

523
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:08,319
mention
at the earlier on in the earlier

524
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:13,680
proposal to maybe you know do something
incremental and look at it again. Um I

525
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:18,880
don't think that does a service to
anybody to have to come back when you

526
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,480
know we know cost of living and and
inflation are going to happen. We know

527
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:25,200
we need to be prepared for that. We
don't want to have to come back and try

528
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:29,760
to make it up which is the position
we're in now. And um and you want the

529
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:35,520
building community to know what to
expect. you know, you don't want to be,

530
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:42,560
you know, sitting here again every, you
know, two, three years to to increase

531
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:46,800
fees that, you know, on the one hand,
you know, they're significant. They

532
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:51,440
aren't substantial. And, uh, you know,
the costs of,

533
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:54,800
um, you know, of of keeping a quality
building department, having them be

534
00:43:53,520 --> 00:44:00,640
where they need to be when they need to
be there, and showing them the level of

535
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:04,319
support that they certainly deserve. Um,
I'm certainly in favor of that. And the

536
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,920
other thing is is that if we don't have
enough money to cover what happens in

537
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:11,839
building inspections, where do we end
up?

538
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:14,640
» We end up looking at the biggest, you
know, uh, expense that we have is the

539
00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:19,280
schools
>> and we end up, you know, doing what we

540
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:23,040
can based on what we have proposed in
terms of taxes to be able to get the

541
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:28,560
schools what they want. But if we don't
have a sustainable, you know, economic

542
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:33,599
situation with our other departments,
then you're always looking at,

543
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:38,720
you know, the schools looking like the
bad guy in terms of revenues when it's

544
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:42,640
actually built into other places. Kind
of defers that.

545
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:47,599
» All right.
Anybody have any comments on the land

546
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:52,079
disturbance ordinance?
>> U Madam Chair?

547
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:56,960
» Yes. Um I I have no protest with this
change in fees. Uh generally this is a

548
00:44:54,160 --> 00:45:01,760
good good change. Yeah 100 bucks it's
reasonable. Um you still have the uh I

549
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:06,319
guess you have the agreements in lie of
ENS plans of course and this just allows

550
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:10,240
for the typical inspections to be done.
I think this will probably and do we

551
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:14,960
have a number of how much this will
increase because this should apply to at

552
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:17,680
least 50% of our 655
permits.

553
00:45:16,319 --> 00:45:22,319
» Yes. So
>> that's that's a pretty big jump.

554
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:27,040
» Yeah. So while while it does appear to
be while it does appear to be a

555
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:33,359
significant increase, land service
permits only make up about

556
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:41,440
I'd say 5% of our permits or less. And
uh so I mean we're and and they fall

557
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:44,640
into low uh
I say low maintenance and high

558
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:50,400
maintenance but essentially what I mean
is uh you know some of them Renaissance

559
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:55,920
Ridge up mountain some things like that
um there's no way we'll ever break even

560
00:45:53,520 --> 00:46:03,119
on those is you know the personnel power
that goes into just consistent

561
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:08,960
nonstop all week long talking to people
every day for your requests, site

562
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:13,680
visits, complaints, just non-stop. And
then uh but your typical but your

563
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:17,599
typical one falls into these categories,
right? Uh your typical one is uh you

564
00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:21,680
know like if it falls in we have a
scoring chart and if it falls into this

565
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:29,680
specific scoring chart where the land's
super flat, no roadways, no property

566
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:33,599
lines, uh no um waterways etc. uh
vertical slope etc. you know, it's just

567
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:37,440
it falls into a scoring category where
it's wants to begin, wants to end super

568
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,440
low.
Um,

569
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:49,520
problematic.
U so you know that $100 really takes

570
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:52,560
into account the taking in of the uh
permit applications and then the

571
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:59,680
processing of the permit applications
and then the review of the uh

572
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:04,240
well you know there's there's a lot of
administrative parts but this portion of

573
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:08,640
it is more along the lines of the
associated fee that where an inspector

574
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:14,079
is going to have to go out um you know
essentially just man cow personnel hours

575
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:19,440
averaged from You know, it it may be in
shipment and that would be great, but it

576
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:23,440
also may be at the top of Spyro Yakap
where we currently have two or three or

577
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:29,440
on Chicken Hollow where it takes
literally almost an hour just to get to

578
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:33,760
that location to do the inspection and
then turn around and and go to a

579
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:37,680
different location. I would also like to
address

580
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:43,920
comment earlier. Uh there is no one
sitting in our office doing nothing.

581
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:47,760
Everyone's I didn't just I I didn't mean
to imply he did. I just want to make

582
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:53,200
sure that I go on record saying that
these cars are moving non-stop. These

583
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:57,520
inspectors are inspecting non-stop
there. There's a serious workload in the

584
00:47:55,839 --> 00:48:03,440
building department. I just want to make
sure that that is conveyed to everyone.

585
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:07,440
» Am I wrong in assuming that there's also
classes DEQ dealing with DEEQ things

586
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:13,200
like that when you're dealing with
sediment and all that jazz? So it takes

587
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:17,359
another exceptional level of knowledge
to deal with this particular issue.

588
00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:21,200
» Therefore, it costs more money.
>> You have to be certified as an

589
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:25,599
inspector. You have to be certified as a
plans examiner. You have to be certified

590
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:30,480
as a program administrator.
>> All right. Any more questions?

591
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:35,200
» Yes. On the complaint driven, is there a
limit? Like can somebody call in every

592
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:38,319
day for that $75 fee?
>> Yeah. No. if it's substantiated and

593
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:42,000
you've already been out there, you've
already talked to the person. So, let's

594
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:47,040
say John Smith is doing something that
is um you know that would require a land

595
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:52,319
disturbance permit whether they're doing
it egregiously or they just didn't know

596
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:57,200
regardless of their neighbor calls and
they say, "Hey, my neighbor John Smith,

597
00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:01,680
I think they need a fill in the blank."
Okay, we go out there. If they don't,

598
00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:06,079
then there's no fee involved. Hey John,
you're doing you're well within the

599
00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:09,280
boundaries and guidelines parameters of
not needing this. These are the

600
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:14,160
parameters. Please don't go outside of
them. Also, you know, talk to them about

601
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:17,760
the neighbor, the waterway, the
everything. Uh but if they don't fall

602
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:22,640
into those regulations, then they don't
need it. But now, let's say they do need

603
00:49:19,839 --> 00:49:26,079
it. Okay. Well, it's substantiated.
We're going to talk to John Smith and

604
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:31,599
John Smith's going to stop what he's
doing or come in immediately following

605
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:36,319
the next day, etc. We're going to work
it out. We're going to stop

606
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:40,319
unless it's something really bad. It's
it's an amicable agreement between us

607
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:43,920
and John Smith. John Smith comes in,
gets all this permitting,

608
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:49,359
and then we move forward with the
process. Let's say

609
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:54,720
six people call in. It's still just one.
It's one fee. It's one visit to John.

610
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:59,200
Now, let's say John doesn't come in.
Let's say John Smith is like, "Yeah, I

611
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:02,960
got you, buddy." And then just keeps on
doing what he's doing. And then, okay,

612
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:07,040
well, John didn't show up today. Now, I
got to go back out there. Well, now

613
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:10,000
that's another substantiated cycism,
right? Hey, John, what happened? Where

614
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:13,599
you coming? You said you were going to
come in again. And then, oh, I'll come

615
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,559
in tomorrow. And then they don't come in
again.

616
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:19,920
» And then they won't answer phone calls.
>> And now it's another substantiated site.

617
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:23,760
You see what I'm saying? Like it's it's
personnel power going back and forth.

618
00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:26,480
» It encourages people to do what they're
supposed to do.

619
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:30,400
» Right. Right. We don't want to use it
for bad, but we also don't want to

620
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:35,599
continue to have to
>> go out there and spend the taxpayer

621
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:38,800
dollars because John Smith doesn't want
to do what he wants to do.

622
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:42,559
» There there does come at one point it
does become a misdemeanor charge.

623
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:46,640
» Yeah. That that would be about the
second or third visit. We don't want to

624
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:51,119
go out there and just start slapping
those down. But if But if anyone at All

625
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:54,720
Smith doesn't want to cooperate, there
are legal avenues to to go. We we

626
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:58,800
haven't
>> we haven't had to do that. We are we're

627
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:03,359
a very good building department. We're
filled with really good uh people who

628
00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:07,440
know how to communicate. So, you know,
we're pretty solid right now.

629
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:11,280
» Any other questions for Jeremy? [snorts]
>> No. All right. I'll [clears throat]

630
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:14,640
» entertain a motion.
>> Uh Madam Chair, I move we approve

631
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:16,000
ordinance 02026-05
as presented.

632
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:21,280
» Okay.
>> Second. I have a motion and a second.

633
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:25,200
Any discussion?
Would you like to roll call vote?

634
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:26,640
» Candy.
>> Mr. Lan.

635
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:27,839
» Yeah.
>> Mr. Rifford.

636
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:28,960
» Yes.
>> Mr. Reed.

637
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:30,720
» Yes.
>> Mr. Parr.

638
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:34,480
» Yes. Dr.
>> Yes.

639
00:51:32,945 --> 00:51:40,000
[clears throat]
>> All right. Amendment of the FI2026 2027

640
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:44,920
budget that exceeds the statutory limit
of the 1%

641
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,920
R2026-71.

642
00:52:01,110 --> 00:52:03,130
» [sighs]

643
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:13,079
» This is our FY27 budget amendment
hearing.

644
00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:21,920
Just a little background,
we have three items. Item one, on June

645
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:27,440
9th, 2026, the board of supervisors
voted to approve resolution R2650

646
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:33,839
ratifying the pre-auction property
purchase contract for acquisition of 683

647
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:38,440
acres in Livingston, Virginia property
for a total purchase price of 8,925,000.

648
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:49,680
Item two, the ban 2022 bond anticipation
note principal balance of $2,600,000

649
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:54,960
is due in August 2027 for the other
piece of park and property purchased in

650
00:52:51,760 --> 00:53:00,640
2022. This amount may be refinanced in
conjunction with financing of item one.

651
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:05,119
Item number three. During the joint
meeting with the Nelson County Service

652
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:10,000
Authority on June 30th, 2026, the board
of supervisors agreed by consensus to

653
00:53:07,359 --> 00:53:16,640
provide a loan to NCSA for Wintergreen
Wastewater Treatment Plant DEEQ consent

654
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:22,079
order costs in the amount of $3,100,000.
The 3.1 million is a maximum figure and

655
00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:25,440
the actual final amount may be less.
These funds remain as part of the

656
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:33,240
general fund balance until they are
expended and will be dispersed to NCSA

657
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:33,240
on an as needed requested basis.

658
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:43,119
We are holding a public hearing tonight
on the proposed FY27 budget amendment

659
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:46,559
for state code section 15.2-2507
-2507

660
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:50,400
which says that any budget amendment
which exceeds 1% of the total

661
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:54,960
expenditure shown in the currently
adopted budget must be accomplished by

662
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:58,319
publishing a notice of the meeting and a
public hearing in accordance with

663
00:53:56,319 --> 00:54:02,559
section 15.2-1427
1427 and the board may adopt the

664
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:07,160
amendment at the advertised meeting
following conduct of public hearing.

665
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:19,359
On July 14th, 2026, the board of
supervisors authorized a public hearing

666
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:23,880
pursuant to state code section 15.2-2507
via adoption of resolution R2026-563.

667
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:31,760
Budget amendment public hearing notice
was published in July 23rd, 2026 and

668
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:38,079
July 30th, 2026 editions of the Nelson
County Times. 20 days and 13 days notice

669
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:45,000
prior to the BOS public hearing date.
Total expenditures shown in the

670
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:45,000
currently adopted budget are 87,445,150.

671
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:54,920
This is the total excluding transfers.
So 1% of the total expenditures is

672
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,920
$874,451.50.

673
00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:05,520
Total general fund budget amendment
request is 12,25,000

674
00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:10,640
comprised of the 2026 property purchase
and the NCSA loan. This total debt

675
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:16,079
service fund budget amendment request is
$2,600,000

676
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:19,480
for the optional refinancing of the 2022
property purchase.

677
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:29,280
The general fund appropriations will hit
fund balance on the revenue side and

678
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:34,400
capital outlay and non-epal
side. The debt service appropriation

679
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:40,839
will hit a bond bond proceeds account on
the revenue side and bond principal

680
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:40,839
account on the expenditure side.

681
00:55:43,359 --> 00:55:51,839
So next steps be to conduct the public
hearing obtain input from staff if

682
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:54,839
desire consider adoption of resolution
R26-71

683
00:55:55,119 --> 00:56:01,640
and staff recommends consideration of
this budget.

684
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:11,440
» Okay. Any clarifying questions for her
before we do public?

685
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:14,799
» Uh, now we could defer a decision on the
3.1 and the 2.6 million. Correct.

686
00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:18,480
» Correct.
>> And what is the time frame needing to

687
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:23,520
make a decision on those? Well, one of
those we don't know quite yet.

688
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:28,720
» Such as the winter waste water treatment
facility. What about the refinance? So

689
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:33,200
refinancing, you should have a decision
on that at the September meeting once

690
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:36,000
the financing options are presented to
you when you decide what course of

691
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:41,440
action you want to take.
>> Um but um

692
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:46,480
I think Mr. Payne said earlier that
typically deferral would be up to a year

693
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:50,480
» to make a decision but doesn't sound
like we'll need that much time.

694
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:56,200
» I was just that would be my only
suggestion.

695
00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:56,200
» We are going to perform. Yes.

696
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:02,640
Thank you.
>> So on the 2.6 we would be deferring

697
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:05,680
paying interest only on the 2.6.
>> No, we're deferring

698
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:08,240
» the whole thing essentially
>> on the whole thing

699
00:57:06,799 --> 00:57:09,760
» until we get our financing.
>> Yes.

700
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:15,680
» Okay. Yes.
>> This is part of the process.

701
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:21,839
» Okay. Um we are going to open the public
hearing for resolution R2026-71

702
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:27,640
amendment of the FI26
27 budget.

703
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,640
Mr. Bane

704
00:57:30,579 --> 00:57:32,599
[clears throat]

705
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:47,200
Steven Bane [clears throat] Steven Bane
624 Nellis Ford. This has been a very

706
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:53,119
difficult budget for FY27.
And now there is the question of whether

707
00:57:49,040 --> 00:58:00,160
to amend the FY27 budget in August or
maybe later [clears throat] with three

708
00:57:55,680 --> 00:58:05,440
transactions totaling $14.6 million.
In terms of amending the budget

709
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:09,520
in terms of financial management, it
would be better to leave the

710
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:14,079
transactions as variances since that is
what they are. The bigger issue is

711
00:58:12,500 --> 00:58:19,359
[clears throat] the discussion of the
transactions themselves.

712
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:25,520
The service authorities short-term stop
gap plan totaling $4.1 million is a

713
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:30,799
terrible expenditure for Nelson County.
It is a waste of money due to unforced

714
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:37,440
errors. The county has been painted into
the corner and that must be addressed.

715
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:43,040
Nelson County now owns 1,000 acres of
Larkin property at a price of $12

716
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:49,200
million. There's no plan plan for the
land and the county paid more than

717
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:55,040
$12,000 per acre. I believe it is
mistake for a government entity to be a

718
00:58:51,599 --> 00:59:00,799
land owner. Period. As evidenced by the
earlier purchase of the 300 acres, the

719
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:06,400
county has the record of kicking the can
down the road. The county been paying

720
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:13,440
interest only, I believe, on the 300
acre purchase since 2022.

721
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:20,720
That is not sound f uh financial
management. Again, the county is painted

722
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:26,880
into the corner. With the 683 acre
property purchase, the unassigned fund

723
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:31,200
balance for Nelson County will drop to
12.5 million

724
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:38,079
from the February 25th report from
Davenport. This is so much slower than

725
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:44,400
anything we've seen in the last several
years, if not longer. Assuming financing

726
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:51,040
of [clears throat] the 683 acre property
purchase, Nelson County's debt will

727
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:58,559
spike to $50 million. That should be a
cause for concern. Nelson County is

728
00:59:55,040 --> 01:00:03,520
depleting cash and then printing money
with more debt.

729
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:09,280
This should be a wakeup call. I heard
recently that it's a good thing that

730
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:14,720
Nelson County has plenty of debt
capacity available. For the board

731
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:20,559
majority, please don't buy into that
center. I heard recently that the county

732
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:25,359
taxes are too low, attracting people
from neighboring counties and the taxes

733
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:30,960
should be increased. Please don't buy
into that sentiment.

734
01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:36,400
What I'm seeing is is is really not
fiscal stewardship for Nelson County.

735
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:42,559
I'm concerned that Nelson County is
losing its way. For the board majority,

736
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:48,446
please use this as a wakeup call on
behalf of your constituents. Thank you.

737
01:00:46,426 --> 01:00:48,446
[clears throat]

738
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:59,040
That's the end of our signup list. Is
there anyone else that would like to

739
01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:04,160
speak?
All right, hearing none. Just going to

740
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:07,160
end the public hearing for resolution
2026-71.

741
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:19,200
Um it was I did speak to Mr. Payne um
and it it was a suggestion to defer

742
01:01:16,799 --> 01:01:24,079
um until we knew more information at
least on on two of these

743
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:27,920
um amendments. So,
>> and this does not impact the transaction

744
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:32,880
itself, correct?
>> On the purchase of property?

745
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:37,119
» No, I mean we would ask a board to
approve the $8,925,000

746
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,480
piece,
>> right?

747
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:44,240
» And that that would
um ensure that the transaction would not

748
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:50,000
be.
>> Got it. So, we just need to approve that

749
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:57,680
portion and then the other two defer
uh in terms of the

750
01:01:54,160 --> 01:02:04,799
In if I was reading the resolution, uh,
it would amend it to reflect the

751
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:09,599
purchase of the Larkin property and
deferring the refinance of the 2.6

752
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:15,079
million and the loan of the Nelson
County Service Authority for winter

753
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:15,079
grade of the 3.1 million.

754
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,760
» That's a motion. If that was you, if
you're ready for that,

755
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,280
» I'm ready for that.
>> Madame Chair.

756
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:31,760
» Yes.
>> I move that we approve the following

757
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:38,319
amended resolution of R2026-63
to reflect uh deferring the refinancing

758
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:43,359
of the 2022 Larkin Property Purchase in
the amount of 2.6 million and deferring

759
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:49,040
the Nelson County Service Authority loan
of 3.1 million for the Wintergreen

760
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:52,799
Wastewater Treatment Plant.
>> Second.

761
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:57,839
Is that clean enough to go?
>> He did the correct resolution number.

762
01:02:55,599 --> 01:03:00,960
» R2026-63.
No, 71.

763
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:04,880
» It's 71.
>> That one.

764
01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:09,480
That's authorizing the public hearing.
>> All right. Um, so

765
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:21,920
yeah, there we go. All right, that's
easy. That's way easier than what I

766
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,880
believe. Uh, Madam Chair, I amend my
motion.

767
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:29,680
» Okay.
>> Uh, Madam Chair, I move we approve

768
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:37,039
resolution R2026-71
uh with just the 8.9 million uh

769
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:43,280
$8,925,000
for the purchase of the Len property and

770
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:49,760
deferring the 3.1 million and the 2.6 6
million to uh next month or at a later

771
01:03:47,359 --> 01:03:56,000
date. Second
at a later date mean let us know.

772
01:03:53,760 --> 01:04:00,240
» All right. I have a motion and a second.
Any discussion?

773
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:05,200
» Um just just one clarification. Um we
don't have to include the 2.6

774
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:08,960
million in this because that's already
current and already being and and we're

775
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:14,000
already paying on that.
>> Yes, that would be an optional

776
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:17,680
refinancing because that doesn't until
>> Okay. So, we can do that at the same

777
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:22,599
time.
>> Yeah.

778
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:22,599
» Okay. Just checking. Thank you.

779
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:29,319
» All right. You want to roll call vote,
Candy?

780
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:38,640
» I'm sorry. I'm not used to doing it.
[laughter] I did it earlier. Mr. Par.

781
01:04:38,319 --> 01:04:40,880
» Yes.
>> Mr. Yes.

782
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:45,480
» Mr. Yes.
>> Mr. Reed. Yes.

783
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,480
» Yes.

784
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:52,319
» Can I just clarify one thing? Just want
um

785
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:57,520
8,925,000
while is coming out of fund balance will

786
01:04:55,440 --> 01:05:01,520
be returned to fund balance once the
financing is complete. Yes.

787
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:06,280
» So it's a wash in terms of our fund
balance.

788
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,280
» Yeah.

789
01:05:13,359 --> 01:05:18,240
We need to
>> before the close session, I guess I need

790
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:22,559
to publicly announce that we are adding
a resolution in other business after the

791
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:25,200
close session um on changing the
September meeting just so everybody is

792
01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:28,559
aware.
>> After Okay. Yes.

793
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,400
» Um because it's in other business.
>> We can do it now if you want.

794
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:37,359
» You can do it now.
>> Okay. All right. Well, uh I'll entertain

795
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:42,559
a motion on resol resolution 2026-72
then. Madam Chair, I move we adopt

796
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:48,400
resolution R202672, Nelson County Board
of Supervisors rescheduling of the

797
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:53,760
September 2026 regular meeting from
Tuesday, September 8th to September

798
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,760
15th.
>> Okay, I have a motion

799
01:05:55,200 --> 01:06:01,520
» second
>> and a second. Any discussion?

800
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:06,160
Hearing none. All those in favor say I.
I.

801
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:10,559
» All those opposed. Excellent. All right.
Um,

802
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:12,640
» do you want to take a break before close
session?

803
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,799
» Probably.
>> Probably.

804
01:06:13,359 --> 01:06:18,640
» Yeah, [laughter]
>> cuz that might be a long one.

805
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,640
» How long?