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good evening I am John Van Tassel
supervisor of the town of phillipstown

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and I would like to welcome everyone to
this joint session of the village of

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Nelsonville Village of Cold Spring in
the town of Phillips Town board the

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purpose of tonight's meeting is to
provide information in response to

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questions regarding the proposed Hudson
Highland Fjord Trail

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this is not a public hearing and the
boards will conduct no actions or make

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any decisions as per our town attorney
the only motion required is to adjourn

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the meeting which will happen with a
hard stop at 9 30 PM I would like to

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thank my colleagues for all their effort
this has been put into this elective

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exercise I would also like to thank the
holiday essential school and Dr Phil

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benante

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thank you
the Putnam County Sheriff's Office

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the culture

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the Cold Spring Police Department

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town of phillipstown code enforcement
officer Greg Warner

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Cecile Roars for recording

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Damien McDonald for assisting with AV

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I would also like to welcome
state parks as well as Hudson Highland

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pure Trail for assisting us and
providing to our information to our

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constituents excuse me some ground rules
for this evening there is obviously an

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abundance of Interest as well as a
motion for this topic I am confident

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that the residents of our town will
remain professional and respectful we

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will not tolerate outbursts or any
personal attacks I suggest if you feel

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you are losing control of your emotions
you step out of the room

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there there will be no warnings again
this is not a mandatory exercise for any

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of the municipalities that are here and
if we feel it's no longer a productive

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format we will adjourn
I would now like to introduce the town

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Board of the town of phillipstown Deputy
supervisor Robert Flaherty

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council person Judith Farrell

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council person Megan Cotter

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and councilperson Jason angel

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to my left I have mayor Kathleen Foley
from the village of Cold Spring

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mayor Coley could you introduce your
boards

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with us tonight is Deputy Mayor tweeps
Phillips Woods

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trustee Catherine fatty

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trustee Laura Bosey

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and trustee Eliza Starbuck could be
managing the timer

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also to my left is Mayor Chris Winward
of the village of Nelsonville and she

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can introduce her board please

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from Nelsonville we have Deputy Mayor
and trustee David moroney

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trustee Travis Bureau

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trustee Thomas Campanile

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and trustee Maria zionovich

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okay so the flow for the meeting tonight
our first priority is to get through the

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priority questions which you have
submitted

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um which with shared moderation by the
Mayors and myself and and councilman

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Angel who I'd like to thank for putting
together the entire program for

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submitting the questions as well as
collating the answers and responses for

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the top questions
uh we we do plan on having an open

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comment from 9 to 9 30 if time allows
we will have a hard stop at 9 30 and

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again I request everybody beg everybody
to be to remain respectful neighborly

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and productive
okay so uh introductions we've been

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through town jbt
we will go to my my presentation at this

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point

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just introduce our guests thank you very
much oh yes I'm sorry

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um if you guys wouldn't mind please
introducing yourself thank you very much

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for coming and speaking with us tonight
um we have guests from the office of New

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York state parks recreation and historic
preservation and the Hudson Highlands

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York Trail
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good evening I'm Linda Cooper I'm the
regional director for the Taconic region

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of New York state parks Taconic region
is one of 11 regions in the state and

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that encompasses the parks historic
sites and trails in Westchester Putnam

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Duchess and Columbia County pleasure to
be here thank you for coming out to

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listen

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good evening my name is Matthew Davidson
I'm a Deputy Commissioner with state

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parks and I'm the commissioners
a designee overseeing this project and

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our efforts to support it and oversee it

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hi I'm Richard Shea a lifelong resident
of Cold Spring in Phillips Town former

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Town supervisor former Town board member
former caretaker at little Stony Point I

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have over 30 years of community service
in this community so I'm glad to see

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everybody else it's going to be a great
discussion

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[Applause]
a board member of the Hudson Highlands

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Fiora Trail the newest member I I do ask
everybody that they treat Richard with

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extra kindness because he's a little
sensitive about being in front of a room

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and hello I'm Amy Kasam the executive
director of Hudson Highlands Fjord Trail

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and thank you for the to the communities
for organizing this we're really excited

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to be able to talk to all of you tonight
and answer your questions and I did also

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just want to assure you I know we you
know there was a prioritization exercise

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that took a lot of effort for the
communities to organize and we'll be

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answering 15 questions tonight but we
wanted to assure you uh at the start of

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the evening we'll be answering all 210
that were submitted well I guess minus

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the 15 will answer tonight
so thank you

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[Applause]
but I'm supposed to introduce but we

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have with us somewhere Lydia biscope
who's the chief of operations for New

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York state senator Rob rollison
oh way up there hi

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Victoria cafarelli who's the chief of
staff for our assembly member Dana

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levenberg
in the back

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the Putnam County Executive Kevin Byrne
sends his regrets and he has asked

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Transportation director Vinnie tamanya
to stand in his stead this evening so

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he's with us for the county
um as is our district one legislator

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Nancy Montgomery
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and lastly the MTA was actually able to
send someone to join us may Patel is

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here she's the assistant director of the
Metro North Railroad and is able to join

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us
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so um myself and the two Mayors will
just briefly go through our feelings uh

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where our jurisdictions begin and end in
this project so I will start off if

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that's okay yep
I'd like to take a moment to address the

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sections of the trail that will fall
within the town of phillipstown outside

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the boundaries of the village of Cold
Spring

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during my 40 Years of Emergency Services
in the past 14 years on the town board

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there has been a consistent request that
New York State provide more services to

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the 9d breaknet corridor we have
continued to work with the Agents of New

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York state parks towards a safe way to
handle the crowds we often experience as

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the supervisor I am often addressed by
constituents to do something about the

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crads I nor the town have the capability
of limiting the number of visitors that

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decide to come here and take in the
amazing place we live since limiting is

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not an option we need to prepare and
have resources and amenities to assist

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with safe enjoyment for tourists as well
as our residents the town of

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phillipstown provides limited direct
resources to that area of the township

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we are responsible for providing EMS and
fire service as the budget officer of

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the town of phillipstown is my
responsibility to address any increase

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if any in call volume that the proposed
the proposed Trail would cause I have

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seen estimates that reflect a 20 percent
increase in volume to that area which is

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just that an estimate
no one has a crystal ball and can give

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accurate statistics of the future the
demand would also be affected by the

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increase in the amenities in the region
I look forward to a continued commitment

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by New York state parks hhft and the
town of phillipstown to provide safe

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enjoyment to tourists as well as
residents of the Hudson River and the

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trail system
I also expect any additional Financial

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demand placed on the town to be
addressed again this is my concern as

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the town is supervisor and I have a firm
belief in home rule and expect that the

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sections that fall within the boundaries
of the village of Cold Spring will be

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negotiated with the village of trust
Village Board of Trustees and mayor

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Foley and I also encourage the village
of nelsonville's concerns to be

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addressed with their board and mayor
Windward thank you

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thank you

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thank you well the village of
Nelsonville doesn't have any official

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jurisdiction
um in the area we do have obviously some

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concerns on the potential impact of the
Fjord Trail

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the first is the quality of life of our
residents we are an important part of

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this community too our border is only a
quarter mile from the one traffic light

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in Cold Spring and our quality of life
suffers when we cannot access the

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cultural environmental and commercial
hub that we moved here to enjoy and that

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we help to contribute to
second financially the Nelsonville Woods

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trails linked directly to the state's
under cliff and Washburn Trails within

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the Hudson Highland State Park we are
concerned about the potential impact of

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an already overburdened trail system
spilling into the Nelsonville Woods

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which we are financially responsible for
including liability insurance

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similar to what is already successfully
used in other New York state parks it

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would be great to see what visitor
Management Systems could be smartly

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employed for the Fjord Trail and
identify a maximum number of daily

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visitors
we only have we also have two very small

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parking lots at the Nelsonville
trailheads that could be impacted if

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there is a strong influx of additional
hikers one of the locks being off a

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single Lane Private Road
the last area is shared services

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nelsonville's residents are also served
by contract with the Cold Spring fire

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department and most of our residents
water is supplied by Cold Spring

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after last year's drought any potential
additional burden on our community's

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water supply is concerning
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[Applause]
so I don't think there's any question

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that the village of Cold Spring is the
community and the municipality most

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impacted by the proposed Fjord Trail
particularly with the route through

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Dockside that has been described by
senior Parks officials as the donor's

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preferred pathway
The Dockside property belongs to New

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York state parks it's a state park
within our Municipal boundary

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The Village manages Dockside under
contract with no maintenance or

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programming funding from the state
the current contract is due to expire in

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2028 but can be extinguished with notice
at any time

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twice the property was offered to the
Village of Cold Spring and twice the

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village declined this is some years ago
now it's not recently

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the choice is made were Pennywise and
definitively pound foolish

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we'd be in a very different position
right now if the village had said yes

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either time
but we're not here we are

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The Village does have a status in the
State Environmental review for the

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proposed Fjord Trail though it's limited
the village is considered an interested

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agency in that review meaning that it
lacks jurisdiction to fund approve or

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directly undertake the project but can
participate in the review process

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our planning board is identified as
having site plan approval

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and our Board of Trustees can comment on
the master plan both boards need to

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engage and listen to the public
New York state has in terms used by

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other senior Parks officials Superior
sovereignty over the villages and the

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town
that means that the state can declare

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itself immune from local land use
requirements

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perhaps the state can declare itself
immune but should it that's one of the

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questions that we need to ask
in recognition a village residence in

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their quality of life I would say no
with the fundamental impacts this

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development will have on our village
good and bad I would say no

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in recognition of all the burdens and
costs of State Park visitation already

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born solely by Cold Spring villagers I
would say no

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in recognition of the self-determination
that is enshrined in local government I

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would say no
we are fully aware that the village

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cannot solve the challenges of
visitation on our own

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we need New York State we need Putnam
County and we need hhft to work with us

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as equal Partners on decisions impacting
life within our Municipal boundaries

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villagers should have a real say in
whether the trail begins within the

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village and how it's accessed via our
streets

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there is no root through the village
that keeps visitors off residential

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streets they're all residential and they
all deserve the respect of having

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visitor impacts mitigated by New York
State no matter where the Fjord Trail

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starts
whatever final form the Fjord Trail

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takes after the multi-year public
process that's about to come

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The Village deserves appropriate impact
mitigations ones that we can all live

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with
I hope that our Municipal Neighbors in

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Phillips town and Nelsonville will
support decisions that will protect the

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village long term
we want visitation managed there's no

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disagreement on that we all want
visitation managed

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and we want to survive as a vibrant
desirable residential community and a

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thriving local economy so we need to
keep talking and that's why we're here

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[Applause]
thank you

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so just a few words about the process
um as as representatives of your

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municipalities as community members we
all obviously know that the Hudson House

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Ford Trail is a issue that people feel
very strongly about both um with

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concerns both those in support and both
those that fall somewhere in between and

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so we wanted to organize a conversation
that was as productive as possible that

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was Community Driven and that Focus this
conversation on the top priority

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questions of the community uh and so
just a report on the process we asked

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for any Resident of phillipstown to
submit their priority questions related

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to Hudson Highlands Fjord Trail we
received 217 questions so for all of you

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who read them out there congratulations
thank you for doing that it was an

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educational experience uh we we removed
seven of those questions because of

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non-residents or because no residents
given that's all we did those 210

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questions were then included publicly
without any other alteration

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146 residents participated in the
ranking process seven were removed from

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that ranking vote process because they
were non-residents and so we came down

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to these top 15 questions we're going to
discuss tonight I guess the only word I

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would say is that there's no such thing
as a perfect process so we all know that

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um but the one thing I hope everybody
here does realize is that we are trying

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to organize this meeting in a way that
has a commitment to openness to

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transparency and to really the idea that
the local community and community

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members should be a part of kind of
driving the conversation in this process

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as it goes forward and so just a few
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um the guests from New York state parks
and Hudson's Fjord Trail we're given 10

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minutes to respond to those 15 questions
you do not have to take all the time if

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you don't want it but you have 10
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and to each question that's asked and
then we will move on to the next

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question we'll get to as many of those
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um every resident who submitted a
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tonight thank you for those of you who
could make it if they could not make it

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then a moderator will be reading it on
their behalf all right thank you and I

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will turn it over to Mayor Windward
great thank you so let's kick off the

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questions
um we're going to have kind of an on

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Deck Circle so I'll I'll call the first
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being steady and ready to go
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accountability and transparency
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questions first coming up is Alice
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Cynthia Kling for her husband Phil Weiss
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thank you

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hear me you just go like this it goes
like this

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your ads claim that the Fjord Trail is
Community Driven I'm sorry can we Alice

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can you just ask the question as you
proposed it needed to set up I'm going

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right there so my question is
will the Fjord Trail be built even if a

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majority of people in the community are
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thank you
thank you so much

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thank you

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so that question feels like something
that's a dialogue Ender not not the

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beginning of a conversation
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appreciate that but
I think this is the continuation of a

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process that's been going on for many
many years I mean since 2015 and prior

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to that in a more informal way
um it was a Community Driven initiative

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and I know that because I was one of the
founders of the idea so it was myself

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Julia femularo Mike McKee Hank Osborne a
handful of other other community members

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so the idea the impetus for this was to
solve existing problems

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everyone looks at the 90 Corridor and
they wonder when is that accident going

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to happen when is somebody going to get
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so
taking that as the fundamental basis for

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solving the issues or that as a an
approach saying what can we do to make

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sure people are safe when they visit the
area along with residents who used to

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use the corridor and it's really a
complicated quarter because you have so

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many authorities in there you have Parks
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have dep DEC so getting all these people
together is to spend this colossal

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effort and over the years over a decade
that has taken place brought everyone to

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the table open discussions there have
been forums in the past where community

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members have attended those I don't know
if people who here had attended the

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event at the Chalet but since its
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idea and something that I really support
again the future doesn't exist today but

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the problems do and these problems
aren't going to go away without a

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solution without people working on it
and I think tonight is not the beginning

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of the process as I said it's a
continuation we're in the middle of a

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process so to ask what will happen if no
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it's sort of a loaded question
um there are also numerous communities

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involved if you're looking at

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it there are numerous communities
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fish gill you have Beacon there are a
lot more people involved a lot more

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communities involved and we are looking
for input from everyone this has to be

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an open and honest discussion and Hudson
House Fury Trail is interested in what

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people have to say and that input is
taken seriously we need good ideas when

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I served on the town board any local
initiative that came along you have a

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public hearing you hear from the public
and then the outcome gets better because

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somebody comes up with a good idea so
that's what I'm hoping is going to

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happen out of this process

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okay next okay let's be courteous
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so I'll finish it a little so
as Richard said this so we'll just skip

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ahead but just to keep in mind this
groove from the locals and yes it feels

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like a big Coalition project now but
it's really had a long story in the

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community and I think the answer is
it should never be that you know what I

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mean it came from the community it's
been refined by the community and the

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story I think the message I'd really
like everyone to walk away with today is

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that we're going to keep refining so
it's already refined several times over

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the past and we're we're continuing to
refine today so if like just a you know

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not even going back as far as 2006 but
in 2015 we had a safety focus at that

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time people really wanted to see more
people come to Main Street you wouldn't

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say that today so we went and we changed
it we got visitation was getting too

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high the covid pandemic Equity
considerations hit more of in people's

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minds and we refined and we included
accessibility and we really thought

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about visitation management versus
encouraging people into the downtown and

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we really thought if if you have to have
all these people coming by your door how

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did how can this place be retained for
uses that you currently enjoy and create

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um
Recreation assets I mean you're the

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daily users you're not the weekend
people you this is really mostly going

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to be used by locals we wanted to make
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design
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okay can we please be polite and
courteous so we can get through as many

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folks as we can tonight
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so and so just to let you know where we
are right now in our refinements we're

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looking at the environmental review is
underway

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we're head Consultants look at Ada
accessibility on the project and we have

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visitation management Consultants just
starting with us to think about what are

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the tools we really need to have all of
in our pockets and even think about

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what's on the ground so that we're
making sure this really manages

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visitation and sustainability is always
a focus for us too so we have the draft

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Master Plan before that is a final
master plan we will have additional

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refinements and your input is going to
help shape what that looks like

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or something
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we have our next uh question asker um

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are you are you guys satisfied with your
own response

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yeah sure okay thank you sorry I didn't
want to cut you off so

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sorry go ahead

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um
uh this is for my husband I like this

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plan when it was a Wooded Trail back in
1950 in 2015 it transformed into a

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concrete Extravaganza that will scar the
landscape forever

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um because of the influence of a private
donor Chris Davis even Parks deferred to

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him and his grandmother's Vision who
elected him and how is he accountable

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for the millions of dollars
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question

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I I knew that'd get a good response
you know there are a lot more than one

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person involved in this process and when
you look around this room tonight

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everyone here is involved in this
process it's not just about one person

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it never was about one person New York
state parks did not defer to any one

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individual I've worked with New York
state parks for 20 years I've never seen

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that happen
to go back to the concept of the trail

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and you know my I am for public
disclosure Phil Weiss is one of my best

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friends so
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the concept of the trail has evolved
over time but it is not a concrete

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extravaganza
and again there are aspects of this

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trail that are still being designed with
public input and that are bound to

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change based on community input that is
my hope I'm hoping that people actually

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feel heard tonight and that their input
has an impact on the process I wouldn't

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be up here if I didn't believe in this
if I didn't believe it was an open and

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honest discussion
so it was seen as a good idea

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fundamentally that's why it attracted
this attention that's why it attracted

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funding because connecting the community
of Cold Spring phillipstown

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excuse me with Beacon
is fundamentally a good idea and it's a

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good idea because it gained it gains
people access to the Hudson River

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it spreads people out it disperses
people when you have everyone just

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concentrating in the village of Cold
Spring it's overwhelming anyone who goes

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down Main Street in this Village on a
weekend knows just that

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so the idea of spreading people over 7.2
miles developed saying how can we get

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people off the main street of Cold
Spring and out onto a trail where they

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can go to another destination and vice
versa so you have the railroad line

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there
it's not a concrete Extravaganza I know

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these things like to be banned talk
about Chris Davis in his 20 million that

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was the question

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now
now

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Cynthia and you asked your question and
I'm giving a response and I will get to

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that in order yes
um so if it's okay with you I'll

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continue okay thank you
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the majority of this Trail is envisioned
as a gravel Trail

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as sort of the thing you would see at
Hubbard Perkins the sort of thing you

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would see down at Dockside currently
it'll be wider because it needs to

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accommodate more people it needs to
accommodate people with disabilities

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people with different abilities

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it needs to provide a surface and access
for everyone

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we love this area look I was born here
my son is the fifth generation we born

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this community I have worked my entire
life to preserve this community and if I

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thought this was going to destroy this
community there's no way I would be up

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here tonight I do not think that
do I think the ideas can get better I

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think it can get better with your input
but I don't think it's going to get

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better if we set up camps I think that
we need to be smart these are complex

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issues they require a lot of thought and
there is a tremendous amount of

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expertise going into this
to get these experts to do traffic

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studies to do the impact statements to
talk about the environment to talk about

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water to talk about all the resources
that we care about you need experts that

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costs money and the state of New York is
firmly rooted in Partnerships so they

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have partnered with a group of
individuals they have partnered with the

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Hudson Highland Fiora Trail Chris Davis
is among those people Chris Davis is a

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30-year resident of this community
people seem to glaze that over

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so what so he has helped this community
I'm I'm getting to that he has helped

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this community in innumerable ways
he stopped development at the Garrison

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Golf Course a 300 Acre Site that could
have been heavily developed under pasone

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I think people forget that
he helped its Community with the

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rezoning to make sure we would protect
all the resources that we that we

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treasure here the things that we want to
see protected he helped with simple

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things like town-wide cleanups he would
provide funding for that he's provided

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funding for any number of projects for
this town

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but that doesn't mean that he's the only
person driving the bus here it doesn't

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mean that New York state parks defers to
Chris Davis they don't they are the

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authority in this they are the lead
agency in this Chris Davis is a

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contributor he's a partner there are
other large contributors to this there

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are over 20 entities involved in this
there are several individuals who have

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committed large amounts of funds New
York state has committed 20 million

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dollars to the Breakneck project so that
may come as a surprise to some people so

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they should but New York state does not
have endless resources New York State

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needs Partnerships to develop the
programs that will save local

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environments so I think that in all
fairness it's a it is a fair question

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and I know that perception is out there
but we can't focus on one individual we

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can't villainize people we can't try to
create a boogie we're trying to

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villainize anybody
no one I'm just saying we need to avoid

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that I'm not saying I'm not accusing
anyone of anything I'm just saying we

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need to have this be an open and
continuing honest discussion these are

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Frank questions and these are Frank
answers so I mean give your input but be

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smart and most of all be nice about it I
know this is an emotional issue people

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are tied to this landscape like nothing
else I mean I myself I feel that way

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but you need to be smart about this you
need to consider all the options and you

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need to give good input so we get a good
outcome

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thank you Richard you're welcome thank
you

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thanks very much Stephanie Hawkins
um Can can you hear me I'd like to I'm

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so sorry please please we've got three
minutes go ahead

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um I'd just like to say one more thing
thank you Richard that was very very

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well said I I would like you all to know
that New York state parks is not

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dictated to by any individual New York
state parks listens to communities we

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work very very well with the communities
that surround our Parks we are there for

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all people
I can also tell you that there is no way

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that state parks would be able to afford
the studies and the analysis that's that

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is now going into the Fjord Trail in
large part to answer your concerns and

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there's no way that we could afford to
do that if we didn't have a partner like

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fjordtrail so please please don't think
that Parks is being influenced

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by Chris
thank you

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thank you for being here
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I would have brought it to read but it's
up here

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um it's understood there's a fine line
in this so-called public-private

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partnership between New York State and
Scenic Hudson slash Hudson Highlands

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Fjord Trail if this is truly a public
project exempt from local planning board

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oversight then agenda and minutes for
meetings under this partnership would be

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required under open meetings law if this
is truly a private project then local

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board oversight is required by law and
minutes can be hidden slashed withheld

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from the public in this case which is it
ethically you shouldn't claim both

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wouldn't you agree and the question is
there and there isn't it yes or no

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wouldn't you agree it's in this case
which is it

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which was the last one Phil thank you
um there there are very clear roles and

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responsibilities between your Trail and
between state parks I'll get to that in

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just a second but first I'd like I'd
like to talk about about how Parks uses

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and frankly needs Partnerships we have
all sorts of Partnerships with all

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different kinds of organizations
not-for-profits for-profits

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large small
we really cannot do the we cannot carry

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out our mission of providing safe and
enjoyable Recreation for 80 million

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00:34:37,859 --> 00:34:45,260
people in the state of New York each
year if we didn't have strong robust

437
00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:51,599
Partnerships
we just mentioned our budget is such

438
00:34:49,260 --> 00:34:56,159
that we can
we do a tolerable job maintaining our

439
00:34:54,119 --> 00:35:00,660
Parks but there is no way that we could
provide the amenities that we do today

440
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:08,760
without Partnerships
in in most cases the partner brings much

441
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:14,220
needed funds as well as expertise
talents

442
00:35:10,940 --> 00:35:22,560
all sorts of other qualities to things
that we can't do there's no way that the

443
00:35:18,540 --> 00:35:27,839
state would be able to operate a 20
different group camps for disadvantaged

444
00:35:25,140 --> 00:35:33,420
children from New York City with our
staffing we can't do that

445
00:35:30,260 --> 00:35:39,240
in this case this is a complicated
Richard mentioned all of the agency all

446
00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:46,260
of the state agencies there
there is no way that we could we could

447
00:35:43,020 --> 00:35:50,940
manage we could conduct this project if
we didn't have strong partners and it's

448
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:56,460
not just with your Trail it's a
partnership with your communities all

449
00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:59,520
along the trail that are so important to
us

450
00:35:57,180 --> 00:36:03,619
so could you answer the question I'm
getting could you answer the question

451
00:36:00,540 --> 00:36:03,619
please I got eight minutes

452
00:36:06,180 --> 00:36:13,740
um there are a couple of there are there
as I said there are many partners that

453
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:18,720
we work with the illana partnership and
walkway over the Hudson are two of our

454
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:23,579
our strongest Partners
um and

455
00:36:20,579 --> 00:36:23,579
they

456
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,800
okay
um anyway those of you who know these

457
00:36:27,060 --> 00:36:35,160
Parks know how important the partners
are to us I would like to get to though

458
00:36:31,740 --> 00:36:38,339
and I see the time I'd like to like you
to understand the clear roles and

459
00:36:36,839 --> 00:36:43,640
responsibility roles and
responsibilities between the two of us

460
00:36:41,099 --> 00:36:49,619
so state parks
owns a significant amount of the trail

461
00:36:46,380 --> 00:36:55,500
property already we will also be the
owner of the real estate interest

462
00:36:51,680 --> 00:37:00,119
through easements from Metro North in
particular

463
00:36:56,839 --> 00:37:06,359
and we will hold those and the trail
will then be built on Park land or

464
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:12,480
parked control property for the most
part there are also some private owners

465
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:20,220
that a property that's Trail will will
cross and that is not our purview

466
00:37:15,839 --> 00:37:24,380
um we we are collaborating
in no way dictating the plans for the

467
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:31,740
trail
we have our own uh our own needs we

468
00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:36,599
would like to make sure that these that
the trail is accessible to all

469
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:43,560
and that particularly people from
disadvantaged communities have the right

470
00:37:38,579 --> 00:37:45,680
to use it and and recreate here
um

471
00:37:48,340 --> 00:37:55,380
[Applause]
I don't think anybody here is going to

472
00:37:52,980 --> 00:38:00,300
argue against like these good
good objectives that you're pointing out

473
00:37:57,660 --> 00:38:05,760
but I think the question the very simple
question that's being asked is is this a

474
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:10,880
public project no or is this a private
project it is well it is neither it is a

475
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:16,020
parts project
wait a second this is a project of New

476
00:38:14,339 --> 00:38:21,359
York state parks
it's a parts project it's like any of

477
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:27,300
our other projects we go through our
planning we go out to bid for

478
00:38:24,180 --> 00:38:31,460
construction this is a Parks project we
are working closely with Partners great

479
00:38:34,740 --> 00:38:41,839
the issue that we run into here is not
everything is open to the public right

480
00:38:40,260 --> 00:38:47,400
you're saying this is a public project
but there are not minutes to meetings

481
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:53,579
that are that go straight to the heart
of decision making for this project and

482
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:58,619
when people seek them out they are told
oh no no that's this is a private

483
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:03,780
situation okay we've got the question I
really don't want to get into that but I

484
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:11,040
can tell you that we we struggle no I'm
sorry we are committed to being very

485
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:14,839
transparent we we uh hold on hold on we
can't be transparent when we're in the

486
00:39:12,780 --> 00:39:21,900
middle of negotiating
uh various things we can come to you we

487
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:26,760
we will make all of the documents
available to anybody who wants to see

488
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:31,200
them but not while they're while we're
making so Matt if I made the existing

489
00:39:29,339 --> 00:39:34,980
contract the signed contract is
available on the Village website

490
00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:39,540
um that describes the legal agreement
the initial legal agreement between hhft

491
00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:44,520
and
um parks and thank you to the person in

492
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:48,900
the room who foiled it and provided it
to the Village so you can see that

493
00:39:46,859 --> 00:39:50,960
relationship there
um

494
00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:57,240
I really your question has not been
answered but I think that's the answer

495
00:39:55,980 --> 00:40:01,380
that you're going to get and so to keep
the flow moving this is a Parks project

496
00:39:59,220 --> 00:40:05,700
I I would like to just but the question
was to parks and I thought they had time

497
00:40:03,660 --> 00:40:09,119
to respond I didn't realize it was just
going to turn into it I would like to

498
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:14,520
remind uh mayor Fuller can I make it
just a reminder just because the Hope

499
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:20,579
here was tonight uh that we could get to
all top 15 questions and we're not going

500
00:40:18,359 --> 00:40:24,480
to be able to do that if we have back
and forth between questioners and I'm

501
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:28,079
sorry to say that and I know that we
said that the question should just be

502
00:40:26,579 --> 00:40:32,820
read as submitted because that's what
people voted on so just to remind us I

503
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:37,980
mean and also I think over 30 30 people
sign up for public comment so I if if we

504
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:41,460
could just follow asking a question
allowing for a response so we can get

505
00:40:39,660 --> 00:40:45,119
through them appreciate that I just I
think people who submitted the questions

506
00:40:43,260 --> 00:40:50,839
and who are asking the questions myself
included do you want the question to be

507
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:56,520
answered and I appreciate it
if you clap it takes up time

508
00:40:54,000 --> 00:41:02,160
um but I think that the in in pushing
back here our interest is to try to keep

509
00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:10,079
the answer focused on answering the
question not the sort of the

510
00:41:05,579 --> 00:41:14,160
the floor the Flora around it anyway
um but I understand that you're what

511
00:41:11,940 --> 00:41:20,339
you're saying is that it's a you said
this is a public project that's great I

512
00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:24,119
expect that all minutes and agenda for
those meetings to be available to the

513
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:28,500
public
um

514
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:36,240
I'm not at Liberty to say whether they
can be I I I I can tell you that we will

515
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:38,300
let you know what happens we will you
know

516
00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:41,839
you know listen

517
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:52,140
right I mean this this supposition that
we're doing something devious behind

518
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:57,320
your back is really detrimental I think
we're not right we're not okay well

519
00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:03,900
first of all
we want answers we need to be okay

520
00:42:00,540 --> 00:42:07,800
courageous and let them respond so so
the important thing I would like to say

521
00:42:05,820 --> 00:42:12,480
is in terms of roles and
responsibilities between

522
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:16,920
the public New York state parks and our
private partner here is essentially that

523
00:42:15,180 --> 00:42:21,740
New York State holds the real estate
will hold the real estate for the trail

524
00:42:18,839 --> 00:42:26,940
and that the Fjord Trail will operate
maintain repair and staff it

525
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:32,520
right
that's the basic

526
00:42:29,460 --> 00:42:36,420
that's the basic responsibilities of the
two different parties okay and the

527
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:41,280
decision making around the development
and the ideation and that goes into

528
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:46,680
creating this Trail
where is that it who holds that so

529
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:52,200
that's the next so so we are in the
process of doing a a generic

530
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:59,819
environmental impact statement along the
whole Trail we are collecting ideas from

531
00:42:56,339 --> 00:43:05,099
experts from Park staff from many
different people I think we've all of

532
00:43:03,060 --> 00:43:09,200
the input that you've put into the
various meetings that the fjor trail has

533
00:43:07,319 --> 00:43:14,819
already have they're influencing that
what you will have the opportunity to

534
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:20,900
review to comment to bicker with to do
whatever you want with that it doesn't

535
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,900
move forward without public common

536
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:30,000
and Stephanie also please thank you
Andrew Hall is up we're moving on to the

537
00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:35,940
next category I just wanted to follow up
with that I would say Richard as a

538
00:43:32,220 --> 00:43:41,339
member Richard we're moving on
still still a minute and a half agreed

539
00:43:39,060 --> 00:43:44,819
upon the minute it still has time I
really I appreciate that response I love

540
00:43:43,380 --> 00:43:48,240
that yeah
yeah

541
00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:53,060
um there's a minute 27 left and believe
me I'm only going to take about a minute

542
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,060
okay if that's okay

543
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:59,940
um yeah a lot of that time got taken up
in the in back and forth but anyway

544
00:43:57,540 --> 00:44:03,180
My Hope Is that as a member of the
Hudson Highlands Florida Trail board

545
00:44:01,319 --> 00:44:07,200
that it's a completely transparent
process that everything that comes out

546
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:11,520
in a minute said I that meetings that I
attend is public

547
00:44:08,940 --> 00:44:13,859
it doesn't matter that you know we may
be uncomfortable or something like that

548
00:44:12,839 --> 00:44:19,020
I don't know why there would be any
discomfort these are all public

549
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:23,099
transactions we want the input I am
there as a community representative that

550
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:28,560
was my role in getting on the future
Trail board so I could be there in the

551
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:32,520
room so it would be a public process I
don't believe that it needs to be you

552
00:44:30,660 --> 00:44:35,760
know closed to the public but
you can't have this sort of meeting

553
00:44:34,140 --> 00:44:39,839
every time you have a meeting you'd
never get anything done but the minute

554
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:45,380
should be public I agree with that and
the process should be open

555
00:44:42,660 --> 00:44:45,380
people

556
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:52,079
okay
okay so we're moving on to trail design

557
00:44:50,099 --> 00:44:56,040
and scale of project
um Andrew Hall is up first and then if

558
00:44:53,880 --> 00:45:02,040
we could have Ned Rausch on deck and
Kathy Carnevale on Deck uh and yes

559
00:44:59,579 --> 00:45:06,119
so to the point of transparency and
viable options

560
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:10,500
it's understood there is a oh no that's
your question what viable alternatives

561
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:16,380
to the proposed sport trial have been
proposed and evaluated including

562
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:22,380
alternative alignments a no-build no
action options why are earlier

563
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:28,200
iterations much smaller in scope impact
scale and cost to the taxpayer no longer

564
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:33,660
under consideration what is the current
status of any of these and just so you

565
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:37,859
know where I'm coming from that question
is pulled from the scoping document

566
00:45:35,460 --> 00:45:41,359
scoping document of which Parks is the
lead agency thank you

567
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:49,079
so so why don't we have after you've
asked your question bunch of and let

568
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:52,500
them respond to respond first please I'm
sorry the parks department to respond

569
00:45:50,700 --> 00:45:57,300
first please
what why we have so we have the

570
00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:02,880
information on the Alternatives analysis
so this is done is was done as part of

571
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:07,020
the 2015 plan and some of you may have
participated in this and we looked at

572
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:12,240
all of the different segments shown here
in the rainbow kind of display and just

573
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:16,380
segment for Segment what are the
different ways that you could make that

574
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:21,480
connection those were all evaluated they
were taken out to the public the public

575
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:26,400
weighed in on the preferences this shows
the slide from an online survey which we

576
00:46:24,180 --> 00:46:32,099
had really as a culmination of multiple
workshops that went into the design and

577
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:35,760
we got input from respondents so 464
people in this specific point of

578
00:46:34,380 --> 00:46:40,200
interaction
and really what that showed is that the

579
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:44,940
preferred alignment that was in the 2015
plan which hasn't really changed very

580
00:46:42,180 --> 00:46:48,780
significantly was preferred strongly by
the community the red is no and that's

581
00:46:46,859 --> 00:46:55,020
like two to three percent on any one
segment so then the neutral is the pale

582
00:46:51,960 --> 00:47:00,619
and strongly like is is in the dark
green so including the little Stony

583
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:04,819
Point to Breakneck Ridge Shoreline Trail
and the Metro North Whistle Stop at

584
00:47:03,180 --> 00:47:10,140
dungeon
Duchess Junction Park was the part that

585
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:15,240
went up the hill as you go past hartsook
Lane and this was the least liked one

586
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:21,500
back then because it was really just
seen as functional but not desirable

587
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:27,180
so when we went back to the 2020 plan
which in part was asked by the community

588
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:32,160
really strongly at the last the kickoff
to the environmental review process

589
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:35,819
people came out in force to say we live
on Fair Street we feel this is too

590
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:39,960
impactful to us to have all of these
people marching down our houses we don't

591
00:47:37,859 --> 00:47:44,040
feel safe with our kids outside riding
bikes people throw garbage on my front

592
00:47:41,579 --> 00:47:51,060
lawn please
hold on not everybody so but

593
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:56,460
a lot of people showed up and so we had
the asked mate of us to look at other

594
00:47:53,819 --> 00:48:00,720
routes and then mayor mirandy went out
and did some surveys of the communities

595
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:04,920
to say along the Fair Street Route how
are people feeling along you know in

596
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:09,180
this area of the village how are people
feeling about current traffic how would

597
00:48:07,020 --> 00:48:13,740
they feel about additional traffic and
so that helped inform Alternatives

598
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:17,040
analysis we looked at all of these roots
so this is the preferred alignment we

599
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:22,140
said what if we go this way what if we
go behind the depot what if we go down

600
00:48:19,380 --> 00:48:26,520
fair and all the way up to 90. so all of
those were looked at and evaluated for

601
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:32,040
how they would allow for people to make
this connection again Ada Can it have

602
00:48:29,579 --> 00:48:36,359
bikes is it going to overly impact Main
Street how many residents are impacted

603
00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:39,240
there's a lot of factors that we looked
at

604
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:43,859
um and they're all listed here so
accessibility so this was thoroughly

605
00:48:41,339 --> 00:48:47,640
analyzed that will be contained in the
with the other Alternatives and the

606
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:52,500
whole Alternatives analysis is part of
the environmental review as you said so

607
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:56,760
that'll all be in the G dgeis when it is
made available for public comment but so

608
00:48:54,780 --> 00:49:01,619
short answer is yes most of which you've
seen in great detail in Prior iterations

609
00:48:59,220 --> 00:49:04,880
of planning and additional content is
going to be available for your review

610
00:49:05,220 --> 00:49:08,180
do we have Ned

611
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:17,599
so sorry since we still have six minutes
I can't see that void go unused

612
00:49:14,420 --> 00:49:17,599
no I

613
00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:25,859
I say just say you
no final decisions have been made

614
00:49:22,579 --> 00:49:30,800
preferred routes proposed Trails just
keep that in mind that this is still an

615
00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:35,660
ongoing process and you have input
yeah okay now Ned

616
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:50,700
good evening everybody thank you for uh
for having this meeting it's nice to see

617
00:49:48,420 --> 00:49:54,900
everybody brought everybody together
um

618
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:58,319
so the trail between uh Beacon and Cold
Spring and Beacon is a great idea but

619
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:02,819
the add-ons and by which I mean things
like the amphitheater and as far as Nets

620
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:07,140
and things like that uh we'll change the
character of the area The Fjord Trail

621
00:50:04,380 --> 00:50:11,490
claims to celebrate why must we accept
the add-ons along with the trail thank

622
00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:19,200
you
[Applause]

623
00:50:17,339 --> 00:50:23,520
so just so that everyone's on the same
page let's just look at that so what

624
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:27,180
happened between 2015 when it was just a
trail

625
00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:32,400
and the 2020 master plan
um so it's still a trail

626
00:50:29,460 --> 00:50:36,480
it's still for bikes and Peds
it's still connecting Cold Spring and

627
00:50:34,619 --> 00:50:41,460
Beacon and connecting people to the
hiking destinations that are already a

628
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:45,720
draw on 90.
we do have visitor orientation that was

629
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:50,640
in the last iteration and wayfinding and
signage was as well

630
00:50:47,819 --> 00:50:57,119
so what are these additions or add-ons
well one is bathrooms and garbage bins

631
00:50:54,300 --> 00:51:00,480
as much as it might seem surprising that
really wasn't thought through like how

632
00:50:59,099 --> 00:51:05,880
is that going to happen and who's going
to manage and pay for all of them

633
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:10,859
um so it does have now an entity hhft to
staff and operate the trail maintain it

634
00:51:08,819 --> 00:51:15,599
um and that would be a non-profit funded
thing knots coming from tax dollars and

635
00:51:13,859 --> 00:51:19,859
then that staff's also available to help
manage people on the ground and help

636
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:25,380
with rescues
um will have managed parking including

637
00:51:22,140 --> 00:51:30,540
new parking at Duchess Manor which would
serve as sort of a main entry of our

638
00:51:27,540 --> 00:51:35,099
Visitor Center and staff offices
we have spots to rest and explore now

639
00:51:33,540 --> 00:51:38,760
before it was just a straight shot but
now you do have little spots where you

640
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:43,319
could stop and that helps as an
accessibility piece because some people

641
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:46,200
might not you know be in a wheelchair
but they might need to stop and pause

642
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:51,260
every
set distance and so this is sort of

643
00:51:48,420 --> 00:51:57,119
something that helps augment that
we also thought again about

644
00:51:53,480 --> 00:52:01,020
accommodating existing uses so we we had
listening sessions focus groups and and

645
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:05,520
saw what are the management challenges
on a place like little Stony Point now

646
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:09,180
so any of the red dots were challenges
that Park staff are currently having

647
00:52:07,260 --> 00:52:12,420
managing things and a lot of that is
here because it's swimming right

648
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:17,220
swimming is illegal there's picnicking
that's illegal there's garbage so how do

649
00:52:14,940 --> 00:52:21,420
we kind of manage the space and when we
think about what happens there what

650
00:52:18,839 --> 00:52:28,559
needs to be done to make those safe
those uses safer or to better control

651
00:52:25,380 --> 00:52:32,339
them and one idea there is that there
could be an outdoor classroom it had

652
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:35,520
been an Amphitheater in sort of
discussion

653
00:52:33,359 --> 00:52:39,599
based on community input we've already
scaled that down just to an outdoor

654
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:44,220
classroom and so that's a good example
of how this is still up for discussion

655
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:47,040
and conversation and we want to we need
to have the input

656
00:52:46,140 --> 00:52:52,140
um
and then responding to local Recreation

657
00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:56,640
needs so plague spaces that aren't
organized fields or taught lots for

658
00:52:54,359 --> 00:53:00,420
small children came up as a recreation
need of the community so we thought

659
00:52:58,500 --> 00:53:05,220
about where we might put that in and
this again was posters we had at maple

660
00:53:02,940 --> 00:53:09,359
syrup day not this year the year before
and we got input from people all sorts

661
00:53:07,740 --> 00:53:15,300
of dots about what people wanted to see
there as activity spaces and so that

662
00:53:13,020 --> 00:53:18,839
factored into what we put on the page
right so this is always an iterative

663
00:53:17,099 --> 00:53:23,339
process so Stephanie you asked about
meeting minutes sometimes that's hard

664
00:53:20,940 --> 00:53:27,599
because it's these sorts of things but
we do put those posters out when we have

665
00:53:25,740 --> 00:53:31,319
public sessions like we've had in the
last month those meeting summaries are

666
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:36,240
made available on our website and so it
has all of the input we receive plus

667
00:53:33,660 --> 00:53:39,599
sort of a digested summary and what our
takeaways are from what we're hearing

668
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:44,480
and then the next time we come out with
something it should be showing that

669
00:53:41,700 --> 00:53:44,480
input on the ground

670
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:50,339
um we're strategically drawing people
away from Cold Spring and that's just

671
00:53:48,359 --> 00:53:56,220
part of that visitation management piece
so having that major Gateway for this to

672
00:53:53,339 --> 00:54:01,740
be Duchess Manor having things like
maybe Forest Nets we can talk about it

673
00:53:59,579 --> 00:54:06,720
um or it could be a canopy walk the idea
there is that you're creating something

674
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:09,260
in a completely defunct unused park
space it was an old Duchess Junction

675
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:13,859
Park
that still has a driveway down to it and

676
00:54:12,059 --> 00:54:17,400
some old play equipment and could we put
something there and since you're in the

677
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:21,480
forest what would you put in the forest
is like so the part of what we want to

678
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:25,380
do with this is have it be sort of an
immersive experience maybe an education

679
00:54:23,339 --> 00:54:30,480
experience to teach people about a
forest ecosystem so that would be the

680
00:54:27,660 --> 00:54:32,880
idea it's not sort of a large trampoline
but

681
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:37,980
um
again we're always looking for input so

682
00:54:35,579 --> 00:54:41,940
get involved stay involved we just
started a new series of walk-in talks

683
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:46,140
where we look at one little part of the
project area and talk about what's

684
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:49,079
playing there and get input so those
will happen monthly on every second

685
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:53,940
Saturday
we have committees and working groups

686
00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:58,740
that will be formulating we'll have a
community day on January 22nd

687
00:54:56,460 --> 00:55:02,220
we put out a monthly meeting and I'm
going to start a new thing I think it

688
00:55:00,359 --> 00:55:06,180
seems that questions and answers and
just being able to have dialogue and not

689
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:09,900
Everyone likes to get up to the mic and
so we always try to do different types

690
00:55:07,859 --> 00:55:13,380
of Engagement things small groups big
groups

691
00:55:11,339 --> 00:55:16,740
um you know open houses where it's a
little free form or major listening

692
00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:20,400
sessions like this we've kind of done
all of this through the could you could

693
00:55:18,780 --> 00:55:26,700
you just 10 years that we've been going
through quite annoying so if we have so

694
00:55:24,540 --> 00:55:30,900
if we're gonna you know keep doing all
that but if people want to just come and

695
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:33,900
ask questions in a smaller setting that
feels a little more comfortable I want

696
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:40,260
to offer that too so we're going to
start a monthly open house hopefully at

697
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:44,220
the watch and then we'll just you know
be there and you can drop in spend as

698
00:55:42,420 --> 00:55:48,240
much time ask whatever questions that
you have so we'll be publicizing that

699
00:55:46,380 --> 00:55:53,940
and how you'll be able to put that on
your calendar and come talk with us

700
00:55:52,020 --> 00:55:56,059
okay have you finished answering the
question

701
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:02,520
um just just for clarity I think that
when the question was being asked about

702
00:55:59,940 --> 00:56:06,000
minutes I think it was a reference to
steering committee and other sessions I

703
00:56:04,740 --> 00:56:09,359
think Richards made a commitment tonight
that

704
00:56:07,319 --> 00:56:12,200
um minutes of meetings like that will be
available going forward

705
00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:20,160
okay uh do we have Kathy Carnevale in
the room

706
00:56:18,540 --> 00:56:23,160
she's not here so I guess I'm reading
for her

707
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:27,720
okay it's a very cold spring question
given the concerns about 600 000

708
00:56:25,859 --> 00:56:31,740
visitors using the Fjord Trail and
potentially swamping the tiny Cold

709
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:35,460
Spring Village on weekends is possible
to have the duchess Manor site be

710
00:56:33,420 --> 00:56:39,720
promoted from the outset as the focal
point slash centerpiece for hhft

711
00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:44,220
visitors particularly those coming by
car the central point would have Trail

712
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:47,520
info food tons of parking and be the
designated starting point for trail

713
00:56:46,260 --> 00:56:51,359
access
all Trail Guide brochures advertising

714
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:55,319
and other marketing information would
direct visitors to the central point

715
00:56:52,980 --> 00:56:58,800
noting that other Trail access points
may be available

716
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:02,220
surely some will still come by train to
the Cold Spring Beacon and Breakneck

717
00:57:00,359 --> 00:57:06,240
stations and others drive and park at
other areas along the trail but having

718
00:57:04,140 --> 00:57:11,780
the focus on this mid-trail site should
cause less stress on Cold Spring Village

719
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,780
resources and residents

720
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:22,920
[Applause]
agreed so

721
00:57:19,980 --> 00:57:27,180
we have six entries to the park
um and in the in the plan right so one

722
00:57:25,140 --> 00:57:30,240
is Beacon train station and long dock
Park

723
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:34,619
Notch Trailhead which is that area that
Duchess Junction Park area which has

724
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:38,880
planned parking Duchess Manor and
Visitor Center and Breakneck train

725
00:57:36,660 --> 00:57:42,660
station and the parking that would be
there less parking than there is now but

726
00:57:40,980 --> 00:57:46,380
there would be parking there all of
that's in Dutchess County when you get

727
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:51,540
to Putnam County it's the Washburn
Trailhead that's there and Cold Spring

728
00:57:49,140 --> 00:57:55,079
train station no we're never going to be
saying go park in Cold Spring we didn't

729
00:57:53,579 --> 00:57:59,720
include it in our parking and shuttle
study when we have directions for people

730
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:05,760
it's not going to say go to Cold Spring
to park right so

731
00:58:02,220 --> 00:58:09,240
that is the plan and so six entries and
we certainly want to make sure when the

732
00:58:07,559 --> 00:58:13,500
first phase opens which is that those
improvements at Breakneck we would like

733
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:18,420
Duchess Manor to open at the same time
so that's part of this phase one

734
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:23,220
um so that that Visitor Center when that
all opens we want people to get used to

735
00:58:21,059 --> 00:58:27,960
that behavior like go to Dutchess Manor
if you couldn't find parking at

736
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:30,960
Breakneck go up the hill and park at
Duchess Manor and take the shuttle down

737
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:35,280
so the shuttle would be up and running
the visitor center would be there and

738
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:38,880
then we start that whole behavior of
people knowing this when I'm going to

739
00:58:36,780 --> 00:58:43,079
the space I'm hopping into the middle
and I can go up to the duchess Manor and

740
00:58:41,220 --> 00:58:47,040
in the long term you know we've started
to think about what we do there this is

741
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:50,700
the site it's pretty big it was a big
facility

742
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:55,020
and so we're thinking this is going to
be our offices for staff so we're really

743
00:58:52,740 --> 00:59:00,000
local and we have a presence here we'll
have connections down this very sleep

744
00:58:57,540 --> 00:59:05,819
Steep Hill to the the main trail that
will run down behind it um we'll have

745
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:10,859
the shuttle stop there parking there and
then in the future a visitor center with

746
00:59:08,579 --> 00:59:13,799
potentially a cafe so then if you're at
Breakneck you want to get something to

747
00:59:12,059 --> 00:59:17,940
eat this is another option so again
changing the options and the behavior on

748
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:21,960
the ground with these little moves that
we could do

749
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:26,579
um and just just to show I like this is
my favorite diagram so the the building

750
00:59:24,059 --> 00:59:29,880
was added onto over the ages just to
just to demonstrate we've started to

751
00:59:28,140 --> 00:59:33,119
think about this building the age of the
building and what we might do as a

752
00:59:31,260 --> 00:59:37,319
restoration of the
um historic structure

753
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:40,640
and that'll be coming along soon because
that has to catch up

754
00:59:42,180 --> 00:59:45,020
are you finished

755
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,140
thank you

756
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:54,839
all right our next section is data
studies

757
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:59,819
data studies reporting and project
process

758
00:59:56,540 --> 01:00:03,960
David Duffy is not here to give the
question so I will read it the Fjord

759
01:00:01,980 --> 01:00:09,480
Trail will have a big impact but we have
no idea no data on what this impact

760
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:12,059
social environmental economic will look
like

761
01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:16,980
where are the studies that typically
accompany projects of this large scale

762
01:00:13,980 --> 01:00:23,339
can we expect to see such analyzes
so we can have a fact-based debate

763
01:00:20,819 --> 01:00:29,400
so I'm going to answer that one and that
is exactly what all of the Consultants

764
01:00:26,220 --> 01:00:34,319
have been hired to do so we are in the
process of gathering or we collectively

765
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:39,540
the project is in the process of of
gathering a lot of environmental review

766
01:00:36,900 --> 01:00:45,180
data and that is what is studied in the
draft generic environmental impact

767
01:00:41,819 --> 01:00:51,299
statement and when it was set out in
2015 with the scope initial scoping

768
01:00:48,260 --> 01:00:55,680
document these things are in the scoping
the full scoping document is online both

769
01:00:53,819 --> 01:00:59,520
on Park's website and on Hudson
Highlands if your trail website so you

770
01:00:57,299 --> 01:01:05,400
can you can read it but just generally
it goes into what how what are impacts

771
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:09,240
of the land what what land use exists
what land you should propose what's

772
01:01:07,260 --> 01:01:13,680
there what kind of geology what is the
topography what what what kind of soil

773
01:01:11,940 --> 01:01:18,839
so whatever you're going to do what is
the impact for that kind of soil if you

774
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:22,619
what watershed is it in how does storm
water react where do we have washouts

775
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:28,200
what happens when there are storms what
happens with Wastewater and and sanitary

776
01:01:25,140 --> 01:01:32,819
water and well water or public water
should you need it what are the

777
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:36,059
biological resources in the area what
kind of floor what kind of fauna where

778
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:40,799
do you you know what are the birds how
do we look at them and especially what

779
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:45,900
are the rare and threatened endangered
species we look at the historic and

780
01:01:43,859 --> 01:01:51,540
archaeological resources and when I say
we again we have we Hudson Highlands

781
01:01:49,260 --> 01:01:56,760
Fjord has using
private dollars hired outside

782
01:01:54,119 --> 01:02:01,079
Consultants that are putting together a
generic environmental impact statement

783
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:05,280
there has been hudsonia has been brought
on to do Baseline studies on a lot of

784
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:10,079
the Hudson River material there have
been many many different uh

785
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:13,920
Consultants that have been involved
Creighton Manning and Stedman Consulting

786
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:17,700
are in doing Transit they're all of
these people are extraordinarily well

787
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:23,220
regarded in their fields so they are
helping to to bring that data back to us

788
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:28,740
to be in the analysis that will be part
of the environmental statement

789
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:31,799
in any Eis the environmental impact
statement you look at Community

790
01:02:29,940 --> 01:02:36,119
attributes and I know that's a
tremendous concern you wouldn't be in

791
01:02:33,540 --> 01:02:41,640
this room if that didn't concern you the
most what is the recreational open space

792
01:02:38,819 --> 01:02:45,359
for the area what is the growth and
impact on community character and I

793
01:02:43,619 --> 01:02:50,059
think that is really what drives a lot
of the emotional

794
01:02:47,180 --> 01:02:55,260
response to the project what are the
socioeconomic factors that that are that

795
01:02:53,579 --> 01:03:00,000
either Drive the project or that the
project will drive and traffic and

796
01:02:57,839 --> 01:03:06,420
transportation of course near and dear
in any Community these days especially

797
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:11,819
with small single single Road systems
where 301 Main Street 90 Define

798
01:03:09,839 --> 01:03:16,619
everything that happens Fair Street
Define what happens in this community so

799
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:20,220
there's a look with both a Transit
consultant a parking consultant somebody

800
01:03:18,359 --> 01:03:24,420
that actually really knows and focuses
about how do you make a shuttle system

801
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:28,500
viable what did you do how would you
make a parking system viable can you can

802
01:03:26,700 --> 01:03:33,599
you charge for it can you make
reservations how do you do that and that

803
01:03:31,260 --> 01:03:37,799
coupled with the Villages of Cold
Springs parking study and the move

804
01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:43,980
towards some form of pay and display or
some form of of time to parking within

805
01:03:40,500 --> 01:03:49,500
the village probably probably identifies
a solution to some of the parking issues

806
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:54,359
just over the years just a small aside
from the Eis over the years we've state

807
01:03:51,660 --> 01:03:59,099
parks has been working with the dot that
therefore you see a lot of no parking

808
01:03:56,339 --> 01:04:02,819
signs that never used to be there and
many others

809
01:04:00,859 --> 01:04:07,079
there was a while where people were
parking diagonally and we put in

810
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:10,260
parallel parking only and people would
get tickets and they'd go why did I get

811
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:13,500
a ticket and we'd say because it was
parallel parking only and they say but

812
01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:18,920
I'm parallel to the car next to me no
it's you know you need to we're trying

813
01:04:16,260 --> 01:04:22,859
to teach new habits so we want to get
traffic calming we want to be able to

814
01:04:21,540 --> 01:04:27,540
get so that you know you've got a 40
mile below the tunnel we want 40 miles

815
01:04:25,559 --> 01:04:31,740
above the tunnel we want to be able to
do that and we can't do that without

816
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:36,720
traffic calming so some of those are
under study and as we look at that we're

817
01:04:34,740 --> 01:04:41,099
going to also look at visitor management
that was on the slide before it before

818
01:04:38,940 --> 01:04:46,140
it before okay visitor management
visitor projections what is the impact

819
01:04:44,220 --> 01:04:49,559
of construction how does some of this
happen to some of it come from the water

820
01:04:47,700 --> 01:04:53,880
does it come from the roadway what
happens what are the impacts if there

821
01:04:51,359 --> 01:04:59,099
when and if there is construction all of
those things are are looked at tonight

822
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:03,299
when I was driving down 90 Saturday was
when I was in the village and I'm

823
01:05:00,299 --> 01:05:09,059
driving 90 and there was there was a
young a young mom and her kid exhausted

824
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:12,599
having hiked and just basically just
stopped on the side of the road and

825
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:16,680
you're just you're worried that
somebody's going to hit them between

826
01:05:13,980 --> 01:05:20,880
between Stony Point and the tunnel we're
hoping to address some of those safety

827
01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:25,880
issues and get people off of 90. that is
a very much a Thrust of what we are

828
01:05:22,859 --> 01:05:25,880
trying to do here

829
01:05:27,299 --> 01:05:34,980
Linda Linda next one infrastructure
infrastructure infrastructure

830
01:05:33,420 --> 01:05:39,240
infrastructure the water supply the
electricity the lighting the roads and

831
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:42,599
bridges we heard you we did already ask
the village a number of years ago when

832
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:45,720
memorandi was in office
um whether or not we could Connect into

833
01:05:43,980 --> 01:05:50,220
public water in public so we're in this
is even predates uh a lot of the fewer

834
01:05:48,299 --> 01:05:54,720
discussion and we were told even at that
time the sanitary sewer was probably

835
01:05:52,380 --> 01:05:58,680
fine that the water might be a a well
situation and not a public water

836
01:05:56,520 --> 01:06:02,160
situation that's what that's what
fact-finding does you start to

837
01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:06,660
understand what it what is possible and
what isn't possible emergency and public

838
01:06:04,799 --> 01:06:10,680
services we've talked with supervisor
Van Tassel over many many times over how

839
01:06:09,420 --> 01:06:15,180
can we support the local fire
departments how can we make sure that we

840
01:06:13,079 --> 01:06:18,299
can can do a good job and I will tell
you over the

841
01:06:16,740 --> 01:06:22,619
um 12 or so years that I've been
involved in state parks the number of

842
01:06:19,859 --> 01:06:26,220
rescues has gone down we have done
better blazing our park manager Evan

843
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:29,599
Thompson is in the audience though he
really doesn't want anybody to know it

844
01:06:34,319 --> 01:06:42,960
and Evan On Any Given night or weekend
could be out climbing with staff doing

845
01:06:39,780 --> 01:06:48,119
rescues he more than you wants to reduce
the number of people who are lost and

846
01:06:45,539 --> 01:06:53,280
who who lose their way on the Trails um
and so we we spend we have tremendous

847
01:06:51,059 --> 01:06:59,640
respect for the police and fire and
ambulance and emergency rescue and want

848
01:06:56,039 --> 01:07:03,900
to ensure both our Patron safety and any
Rescuers safe we we really don't what

849
01:07:01,799 --> 01:07:07,799
happens by the way most of our rescues
you should know are not because people

850
01:07:05,700 --> 01:07:11,220
they're people who for the most part who
go out late

851
01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:15,539
don't realize how long it takes and then
decide to cut straight down the mountain

852
01:07:13,260 --> 01:07:19,980
instead of following a trail so then
what happens when you go straight down

853
01:07:17,220 --> 01:07:25,559
one of our one of our mountains around
here you hit a cliff and when you hit a

854
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:30,960
cliff you go holy moly I can't get down
and so then you call for help nobody

855
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:34,920
wants to be out rescuing somebody who's
in a place where they can't get out of

856
01:07:32,460 --> 01:07:40,140
and you can't get into so the ninham
trail was built to help address that so

857
01:07:38,220 --> 01:07:44,400
people can get down easier people we can
talk people on their GPS's out onto

858
01:07:42,359 --> 01:07:48,480
Trails we're doing that now we'll
continue to do that but that is being

859
01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:54,119
assessed in the deis can you move on for
a second so the dgis was will be will

860
01:07:52,619 --> 01:07:57,900
not be ready now this has been a point
that people have had a difficulty

861
01:07:55,319 --> 01:08:02,819
understanding this document started in
2015.

862
01:08:00,660 --> 01:08:07,920
it's been updated as the project has
changed so the project has changed it

863
01:08:05,339 --> 01:08:13,500
has to get more information it will not
be ready by current projections till

864
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:17,640
January 2024. I haven't read it you
haven't read it the Mayors haven't read

865
01:08:15,420 --> 01:08:21,779
it we will all have an opportunity to
read it we will probably we will have a

866
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:25,620
public hearing probably in if it's out
in January probably in February could be

867
01:08:23,940 --> 01:08:29,699
March depending on the Snows of this
year who knows but you would you would

868
01:08:27,839 --> 01:08:33,299
then have an opportunity to see what's
in the document and then there are

869
01:08:32,219 --> 01:08:38,759
months
of getting your comments and going back

870
01:08:36,179 --> 01:08:42,480
and figuring out what what what doesn't
work what does work how does this work

871
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:46,440
it's weighing it and then it answers to
those questions that come in the final

872
01:08:44,179 --> 01:08:52,259
environmental impact statement it's an
iterative process it is not a one and

873
01:08:48,900 --> 01:08:57,480
done process it's a process that is very
publicly engaged and we want your input

874
01:08:54,900 --> 01:09:02,759
but we also need your patience because
it's not here today so what we're doing

875
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:09,900
today is information gathering and
getting your ideas because it is my com

876
01:09:05,940 --> 01:09:14,580
My Hope and and and my passion that we
all collectively that the many bright

877
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:21,480
people in this in these Villages and
town can come up with a way to take our

878
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:26,239
Park and this community these
communities and make an amazing

879
01:09:26,339 --> 01:09:34,819
publicly accessible trail that works for
all both the visitors and and the

880
01:09:32,460 --> 01:09:34,819
communities

881
01:09:39,060 --> 01:09:45,359
and I'll and I'll just add there's a lot
of questions on traffic and when are we

882
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:48,839
taking traffic counts and that's
actually one of the things that's going

883
01:09:46,739 --> 01:09:52,199
to take a while right because we can't
count things that aren't there so we

884
01:09:50,580 --> 01:09:56,160
have to wait until we go through the
season find different points through the

885
01:09:54,360 --> 01:10:00,960
season to take those counts so we did
take counts last fall but we wanted to

886
01:09:58,500 --> 01:10:05,300
get a whole year of data to be able to
inform the updates on those traffic

887
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:05,300
projections

888
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:16,620
oh in the meantime though so
am I out of time sorry

889
01:10:14,460 --> 01:10:21,840
uh the next group of questions are
involve increase in visitors the first

890
01:10:19,380 --> 01:10:27,960
question is from Dave mirandy and I I
believe I'll read it Dave

891
01:10:24,659 --> 01:10:31,199
how can hhft in New York State Office of
Parks and Recreation claim they are

892
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:34,739
solving
the village of Cold Springs tourist

893
01:10:32,940 --> 01:10:39,179
problems when they are creating a major
tourist attraction that will bring

894
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:47,630
thousands more visitors to the Village
of Cold Spring

895
01:10:40,860 --> 01:10:47,630
[Applause]

896
01:10:48,719 --> 01:10:56,460
how did I get this question is this
thing is this on still no there we go

897
01:10:54,239 --> 01:11:00,300
um yeah how did I get this question
um

898
01:10:57,719 --> 01:11:05,880
the Peoria Trail's not built yet and
there are issues in the village

899
01:11:03,179 --> 01:11:09,960
um that can't be ignored so there's a
cost to doing nothing there's a price to

900
01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:14,280
doing nothing
the issues need to be addressed in some

901
01:11:11,940 --> 01:11:18,060
form and that's what these forums are
about you know that's what this process

902
01:11:16,020 --> 01:11:22,860
is about
how will this project take shape will

903
01:11:20,820 --> 01:11:25,860
the project take shape because I you
hear from a lot of people well this

904
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:29,699
seems like a fate accomplishing nobody's
listening to us that's not true

905
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:33,540
this project isn't done as you can see
by the studies that are happening or the

906
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:38,520
death of commitment from New York state
from all the involved agencies people

907
01:11:36,540 --> 01:11:42,719
realize that this is bound to bring more
people

908
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:47,040
the goal would be to disperse people to
disperse more people than actually come

909
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:51,840
to get them out on the trail
and it is understood that this is bound

910
01:11:49,260 --> 01:11:57,000
to be a popular attraction these things
tend to have a peak when the walkway of

911
01:11:55,080 --> 01:12:01,980
the Hudson first opened the first year
there was huge visitorship since then it

912
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:06,000
has steadily declined and leveled off
I'm there every weekend John is there

913
01:12:04,679 --> 01:12:09,780
every weekend
Saturdays you can ride across that

914
01:12:07,739 --> 01:12:14,520
bridge and you may see 100 200 people
when they have events there's more but

915
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:19,320
that is also at the discretion of the
communities that these events will you

916
01:12:16,739 --> 01:12:22,800
know impact so if Cole spring doesn't
want to have events they don't have to

917
01:12:21,179 --> 01:12:26,460
have events we've heard a lot about
concessions and things like that well

918
01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:30,540
this is going to be like Bryant Park or
Prospect Park that's up to the Village

919
01:12:28,440 --> 01:12:34,380
of Cold Spring nothing is going to
happen without a decision from the

920
01:12:32,699 --> 01:12:38,219
village of Cold Spring nothing's going
to be foisted upon the village the

921
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:41,340
village is in control of the village so
it's not as if state parks or Hudson

922
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:44,880
Highland Fjord Trail is going to come in
and say hey we decide to have a concert

923
01:12:43,260 --> 01:12:48,659
down at Dockside this weekend that's not
going to happen nothing's going to

924
01:12:46,860 --> 01:12:51,420
happen without discussions with the
village because the village is the

925
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:55,980
authority
so people should be more comfortable

926
01:12:53,340 --> 01:12:59,100
with knowing that these things that are
being thrown about as if they were

927
01:12:57,239 --> 01:13:03,420
afraid of complete they're not they're
not at all and I'm not denying the fact

928
01:13:01,260 --> 01:13:08,340
that this may cause more people to build
to visit the area but the idea of doing

929
01:13:06,420 --> 01:13:13,020
nothing the cost of doing nothing when
you look at the things that happen to

930
01:13:10,199 --> 01:13:16,920
bull hill before the new trails went in
before they started wayfinding before

931
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:20,820
they had directing people to keep them
on hardened paths you had a path that

932
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:24,780
was 100 feet wide the mountain was being
destroyed the same thing with Breakneck

933
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:28,560
the front of the mount was being eroded
the degradation was happening all over

934
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:31,980
because it was just a free-for-all
that's not tolerable and you have people

935
01:13:30,420 --> 01:13:34,860
going around tagging when you have
people spray painting they were

936
01:13:33,540 --> 01:13:39,600
spray-painted rocks you could see from
across the river you need management at

937
01:13:37,380 --> 01:13:43,380
these places people need to be directed
and people need to take a sense of

938
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:46,260
ownership when they're out there and
just saying if you see something like

939
01:13:44,699 --> 01:13:50,400
this and look this is not appropriate
this is crazy you can't go around spray

940
01:13:48,540 --> 01:13:54,719
painting rocks the size of cars it's
ridiculous

941
01:13:52,260 --> 01:13:58,620
um so I mean this sense of ownership is
what needs to happen and I again I

942
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:03,840
understand
there is bound to be a spike in

943
01:14:00,780 --> 01:14:08,640
visitorship getting people out on a 7.2
Mile Trail is the goal of that and you

944
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:12,300
talk about okay 600 000 people there's
already 480 000 people a year visiting

945
01:14:11,159 --> 01:14:16,380
this corridor
so that's a baseline number they're

946
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:20,880
talking about 120 000 additional
visitors over the course of a year not

947
01:14:19,140 --> 01:14:24,840
over the course of a day or a month is
over the course of a year if you can

948
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:28,739
spread these visitors out from Cold
Spring to Beacon

949
01:14:26,340 --> 01:14:33,719
the hope is and the studies will
hopefully bear this out that you will

950
01:14:31,199 --> 01:14:37,920
have a much more positive experience
that the village will see fewer people

951
01:14:35,699 --> 01:14:43,620
clogging the streets or clogging the
sidewalks that you can spread them out

952
01:14:40,620 --> 01:14:43,620
sorry

953
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:53,280
sorry so we understand the anxiety of
even hearing it it's just a hundred and

954
01:14:50,940 --> 01:14:57,000
you know more it's it's it's it's a big
number but the number is not six new

955
01:14:55,620 --> 01:15:02,280
though I think that's important for
people to understand it's you already

956
01:14:58,739 --> 01:15:05,460
have 480 so it would there be some more
um and we are saying we're going to

957
01:15:04,140 --> 01:15:09,360
spread those out some of those people
are arriving from Beacon or from the

958
01:15:07,380 --> 01:15:13,260
north right it's not all coming through
Cold Spring which I think is commonly

959
01:15:11,219 --> 01:15:18,360
thought of because that's kind of the
existing Behavior now right

960
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:21,840
um so what we're starting now and this
is the slide I'll go back to we start

961
01:15:20,100 --> 01:15:25,739
we're starting a visitation management
Consultants work on this so that's one

962
01:15:24,420 --> 01:15:30,000
of the refinements I talked about
earlier on the master plan we want to be

963
01:15:28,260 --> 01:15:35,340
able to have some experts who've been
doing this for 30 years each come in and

964
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:38,880
say okay sounds nice on paper Amy but is
it really going to work when you start

965
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:43,440
to look at a model build it into a model
see how this is going to work with the

966
01:15:41,100 --> 01:15:49,320
expectations of the projections put them
across the six entries and then we talk

967
01:15:46,199 --> 01:15:54,000
about controls right so right now anyone
can hike Breakneck anytime do we think

968
01:15:51,420 --> 01:15:58,260
about things like reservation systems or
things that can limit the numbers so

969
01:15:56,100 --> 01:16:02,760
you're getting a limitation above what
you have right now so it's not just a

970
01:16:00,780 --> 01:16:06,780
free-for-all like let's see as many
people as we can get here what you want

971
01:16:04,739 --> 01:16:11,219
to do is manage for a desired condition
so I want more people over here because

972
01:16:09,239 --> 01:16:15,360
it's quiet and Beacon is okay with more
people they want less people like how do

973
01:16:13,020 --> 01:16:20,040
we make that happen with attractions
with demand pricing whatever these guys

974
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:23,219
list like so many tools and we haven't
even really started working yet but

975
01:16:21,719 --> 01:16:27,719
that's going to be a big important
Community conversation to have is to

976
01:16:25,380 --> 01:16:31,800
think about what do you want your
experience to be in the downtown what do

977
01:16:29,940 --> 01:16:36,360
you want experience to be at Little
Stony Point is there too much program

978
01:16:34,140 --> 01:16:40,260
there do we have to think about scaling
things down maybe something needs to

979
01:16:37,980 --> 01:16:43,739
move to another location this is where
we get to kind of move all of those

980
01:16:41,699 --> 01:16:48,120
levers to see if that's going to perform
the way we're saying it's not like we're

981
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:51,540
just walking in here saying trust us we
got this right like we do want to kick

982
01:16:49,860 --> 01:16:55,199
the tires on this and we want you to
help us kick those tires so that's going

983
01:16:53,640 --> 01:17:00,060
to be a process there'll be a local
committee we want to really look at the

984
01:16:57,540 --> 01:17:03,840
projection assumptions to look at the
traffic counts we're going to allow like

985
01:17:02,219 --> 01:17:07,800
when we form from that committee we're
going to give them a stipend to hire

986
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:12,060
their own consultant so that they can
have them review the traffic study or

987
01:17:10,380 --> 01:17:16,800
you know methodology and everything so
that you guys have full confidence when

988
01:17:13,980 --> 01:17:21,000
the data comes back that it's not
something like I understand

989
01:17:18,900 --> 01:17:25,080
that people are thinking like we're
paying our Consultants to say what we

990
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:30,239
want them to say so
we're not but I understand you feel that

991
01:17:28,380 --> 01:17:36,420
you that's a possibility or risk to you
so we're willing to put that extra layer

992
01:17:33,300 --> 01:17:40,739
of um insulation or whatever insurance
on it for you and then more public

993
01:17:38,940 --> 01:17:45,320
meetings that we hope people engage in
and so that's you know we really need to

994
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:50,159
get into those tools and um
infrastructures so that we can get to

995
01:17:47,699 --> 01:17:53,280
the right point
and I think

996
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:57,300
I think
that the point needs to be stressed the

997
01:17:55,980 --> 01:18:03,360
local committee
people from this room with the authority

998
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:08,280
and then also a stipend for their own
consultant who will independently verify

999
01:18:05,940 --> 01:18:11,340
the results of the studies even though
it goes through the Seeker process which

1000
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:14,699
is you know State and quality
Environmental Quality review act that is

1001
01:18:13,620 --> 01:18:18,300
a law
that the state has to adhere to and that

1002
01:18:16,500 --> 01:18:24,840
this whole project has to adhere to so
on top of that a local committee with

1003
01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:27,420
resources to hire an independent monitor
for that

1004
01:18:26,820 --> 01:18:31,620
um
could I say thank you to that this is

1005
01:18:30,420 --> 01:18:35,280
something that the village has been
asking for and we're very pleased to

1006
01:18:33,900 --> 01:18:38,580
hear that it's the first that we're
hearing it tonight so thank you for that

1007
01:18:37,620 --> 01:18:43,699
um it would be good to have
clarification on how those how that

1008
01:18:40,679 --> 01:18:48,480
committee is selected at some point
next up uh Michael Bowman

1009
01:18:47,159 --> 01:18:51,900
go back two or three slides because
there was a an important point up there

1010
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:54,600
that you're Gathering is it your
question can you address your question

1011
01:18:53,219 --> 01:18:58,260
Michael just real quick though you're
gathering information this year but you

1012
01:18:56,580 --> 01:19:02,400
have the Breakneck Trail closed so how
is that information accurate

1013
01:19:00,719 --> 01:19:06,719
Breakneck will
Breakneck will be reopening in July 1.

1014
01:19:05,460 --> 01:19:12,600
all right so all these studies will be
done after the after the trail reopens

1015
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:16,199
okay thank you uh what is the projected
increase in visitation to Hudson

1016
01:19:14,159 --> 01:19:20,040
Highlands State Park the Breakneck
Trailhead the village of Cold Spring and

1017
01:19:18,179 --> 01:19:24,239
what methodology was used to arrive at
these projections specifically what time

1018
01:19:22,620 --> 01:19:30,199
of year was the traffic data gathered
and what other projects parks and

1019
01:19:26,340 --> 01:19:30,199
attractions were used as comparables

1020
01:19:35,580 --> 01:19:40,580
so I think we've covered a lot of this
um

1021
01:19:41,940 --> 01:19:48,960
I'm just starting the
we've we've covered a lot of this in

1022
01:19:47,340 --> 01:19:54,360
different pieces but let's go through it
again so projected increases in

1023
01:19:52,140 --> 01:19:57,300
visitation
um so this is current this is without

1024
01:19:56,100 --> 01:20:01,500
fjord
and this is what Richard says when he

1025
01:19:59,699 --> 01:20:06,000
says there's a cost to not doing nothing
there's not you know a no action

1026
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:10,560
alternative is not meaning that this
projected growth is not going right so

1027
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:14,520
this has been the trend line with real
data that's been coming in and then this

1028
01:20:13,260 --> 01:20:19,020
is you know
where the future based on that trend

1029
01:20:16,620 --> 01:20:22,500
line what the future would mean in terms
of it going up up up up

1030
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:26,940
so
that's sort of the the crisis moment

1031
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:31,860
that we're looking at trying to get
ahead of and this infrastructure

1032
01:20:28,980 --> 01:20:37,679
projects are very slow to move
um but you know this trend has been

1033
01:20:34,679 --> 01:20:42,179
going up I started and I'll just say
in 2016 is when I had that public

1034
01:20:40,620 --> 01:20:46,260
hearing for the start of the
environmental review and it was at that

1035
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:51,120
meeting that everyone said in the last
year from 2015 to 2016.

1036
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:55,920
it's gotten too much we feel like we hit
a Tipping Point with what I was hearing

1037
01:20:52,800 --> 01:21:01,500
and that was that's here down here
versus where we are today right so it's

1038
01:20:58,739 --> 01:21:05,760
going up and that's part of the so
that's the answer to the projected

1039
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:10,980
growth to Hudson Holland State Park
preserve Breakneck we have similar data

1040
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:14,820
about which we've shared at different
times I didn't bring that graph with us

1041
01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:19,380
today but it's been going up it went
down a little bit because of bad weather

1042
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:24,120
one year you know it's starting to
moderate a little bit post-covered

1043
01:21:21,239 --> 01:21:27,780
because people are back to not you know
doing other things they don't always

1044
01:21:25,739 --> 01:21:31,920
have to be outside
um

1045
01:21:28,440 --> 01:21:36,360
and so this has been off-cited but what
we have is you know some additional

1046
01:21:34,199 --> 01:21:38,940
visitation on top of what's already
coming

1047
01:21:37,380 --> 01:21:43,679
to the Hudson Highland state park
preserve that would result we expect as

1048
01:21:41,940 --> 01:21:48,239
as a result of the project and again
some of that's in Beacon it's never

1049
01:21:45,719 --> 01:21:53,760
coming this way right but there would be
some extra visitation on top of your

1050
01:21:51,480 --> 01:21:58,320
already growth however I think it's
interesting to think about how we might

1051
01:21:55,320 --> 01:22:02,880
be able to reduce or control some of
those Peaks and valleys of through the

1052
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:07,020
year you get these mat weekends where
you get people hiking Breakneck it's

1053
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:11,460
over you know around 2000 it can max out
at so if we had a reservation system

1054
01:22:09,060 --> 01:22:14,820
that could control that number down it
might actually helps move that out a

1055
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:20,520
little bit and reduce a total number
from a hiking perspective so a care so

1056
01:22:18,659 --> 01:22:24,239
we've looked at that that's all data now
so I hate saying that because it's like

1057
01:22:22,199 --> 01:22:30,060
it's old data and I really want I've
been pressing a caref to really review

1058
01:22:27,060 --> 01:22:33,659
the projection so they're updating that
projection right now and that's what

1059
01:22:31,980 --> 01:22:36,659
that committee is going to review and
make sure they agree with the

1060
01:22:34,860 --> 01:22:40,800
methodology and they'll kick the tires
on the number before we take it back out

1061
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:45,360
to the public so it's worth talking
about but it's being updated so it kind

1062
01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:47,940
of makes me squirm
um

1063
01:22:46,440 --> 01:22:51,540
and then the visitation management
Consultants like I said will take that

1064
01:22:49,739 --> 01:22:56,760
and apply that across and do this whole
model so we'll look at that as part of

1065
01:22:54,600 --> 01:23:01,020
the projections in terms of where we
expect those people to go so there's a

1066
01:22:58,440 --> 01:23:04,620
whole number but it's not expected that
all of those people are coming through

1067
01:23:02,460 --> 01:23:08,400
Cold Spring so where are they going and
what are the assumptions that make us

1068
01:23:07,140 --> 01:23:13,100
think they're going to go to Beacon
instead right so we want to we want to

1069
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:13,100
be able to talk that through

1070
01:23:15,659 --> 01:23:23,219
you good
okay

1071
01:23:20,900 --> 01:23:26,239
well we already talked about the traffic
data that we're Gathering through the

1072
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:31,199
air
and parks and comps that's going to

1073
01:23:28,980 --> 01:23:37,620
matter more for the visitation
management techniques we might try then

1074
01:23:34,140 --> 01:23:40,800
I think the projections right so it can
New York state parks talk about your

1075
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:43,760
Park
because you're gonna

1076
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,120
is this

1077
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:51,980
one what Amy said is correct I don't
think it's on

1078
01:23:52,260 --> 01:23:58,020
because I don't hear it do you hit it in
the back

1079
01:23:56,100 --> 01:24:04,219
no
huh

1080
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:04,219
it's green go closer

1081
01:24:04,739 --> 01:24:11,640
anyway
it just went on I have no idea what

1082
01:24:09,179 --> 01:24:15,120
happened anyway what Amy said is
accurate and if you're just looking for

1083
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:19,080
some comparables just because walkway
was up there as as a comparable walkway

1084
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:23,400
when the walkway opened that everybody
sees the iconic picture of the first day

1085
01:24:21,239 --> 01:24:27,360
when Pete Seeger was up there and they
opened the walkway in I don't know 5 000

1086
01:24:25,620 --> 01:24:32,340
people came out and they jammed full of
people you never saw that ever again we

1087
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:37,440
have averaged between 500 and the max
we've ever had is 700 000 we're really

1088
01:24:34,260 --> 01:24:43,140
around 500 to 600 000 a year they're two
fairly small parking lots flanking it

1089
01:24:40,199 --> 01:24:47,100
and there's always a space
it's never crowded the City of

1090
01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:54,540
Poughkeepsie has benefited restaurants
stores places to be and Tom Hyland town

1091
01:24:52,020 --> 01:25:01,380
of Lloyd's a village of Highlands
it just has not been the the monster

1092
01:24:58,380 --> 01:25:05,699
that that this is portrayed to so
same thing with the Empire State trail

1093
01:25:03,140 --> 01:25:10,380
750 miles of Trail going from New York
City to Buffalo and going up to the

1094
01:25:08,100 --> 01:25:14,219
through the Northway the rail trails are
going and connecting and they're

1095
01:25:11,820 --> 01:25:18,420
connecting all over and I don't know
about you but I love to get on a rail

1096
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:24,300
trail point a stop and have lunch in
point B then ride back do something and

1097
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:27,060
it's and you don't usually see crowds
and crowds of people what you see are

1098
01:25:25,679 --> 01:25:31,020
lots of people if you look at the
statistics it's going to be in the

1099
01:25:28,199 --> 01:25:35,699
millions but they're spread out all over
the length of the trails and that's in

1100
01:25:34,260 --> 01:25:41,580
all of the years when I've gone through
many hearings over putting in new

1101
01:25:38,820 --> 01:25:45,840
large-scale projects especially rail
Trails all the a lot of the people would

1102
01:25:43,980 --> 01:25:50,100
say no no we don't want them we don't
want

1103
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:53,520
those people on that trail we don't want
other people coming and those people is

1104
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:58,800
anybody that wasn't in their Community
you know we don't want anybody I'm just

1105
01:25:57,239 --> 01:26:05,219
saying I've been through a lot of
hearings and and inevitably when those

1106
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:09,540
trails are built and some get built and
some don't but when those trails are

1107
01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:13,500
built you do find because I heard some
laughter earlier when the statement you

1108
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:16,860
do find local people use them through
people use them visitors from out of

1109
01:26:15,659 --> 01:26:21,600
state and visitors from out of the
country just as if you're walking them

1110
01:26:18,300 --> 01:26:24,600
out Taurus you will find people of every
nationality because people do take the

1111
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:28,380
train up here when they go to the city
to visit and they come up and they walk

1112
01:26:26,100 --> 01:26:33,719
through and go and walk but so do locals
so do I so do you so do people from the

1113
01:26:31,500 --> 01:26:37,500
from the local catchment area and and I
think that that's just what I urge you

1114
01:26:35,340 --> 01:26:43,820
to to think about in terms of
comparables we would not be proposing a

1115
01:26:40,620 --> 01:26:49,739
project that we thought would be
damaging to the communities in which we

1116
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:54,060
exist what we hope is that we can all as
I said earlier put our minds to figuring

1117
01:26:52,440 --> 01:26:59,420
out what do we need to have as
safeguards what do we need to do in the

1118
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:04,560
planning process and how do we
appropriately assess the information

1119
01:27:01,500 --> 01:27:10,320
that comes in to be able to make a
reasonable decision and that's that's

1120
01:27:07,739 --> 01:27:15,960
where we are yeah and I think also this
we had it up earlier but the phasing

1121
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:19,920
this project isn't going to be built in
a year even right just break net

1122
01:27:18,300 --> 01:27:23,940
improvements at Breakneck are going to
take two years to build and then there

1123
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:28,260
will be another phase so it's not like a
walkway where it all opened one day it

1124
01:27:26,580 --> 01:27:32,880
was not open and then it's open this is
going to be improvements here and then a

1125
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:37,560
couple years later some more
improvements so you get this kind of

1126
01:27:35,340 --> 01:27:42,900
incremental so there shouldn't be that
big opening day moment that for 7.5

1127
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:47,460
miles and all the attraction that might
get it'll sort of become like oh we're

1128
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:51,360
opening a new Wing you know it's just a
different type sort of pacing and we

1129
01:27:49,620 --> 01:27:55,320
have some control and discretion I think
that's an important conversation to have

1130
01:27:52,920 --> 01:28:01,320
too is sort of what's the strategy on
the phasing what should we open first to

1131
01:27:58,020 --> 01:28:05,100
kind of Olay concerns or trying to test
things out in a way to make sure that

1132
01:28:03,239 --> 01:28:07,219
again it's behaving the way we want it
to

1133
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:16,860
okay Mr May is uh coming up and the
topic is parking transportation and

1134
01:28:14,639 --> 01:28:20,760
pedestrian safety
I guess one of the comments begged my

1135
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:24,659
question because she talked about the
Poughkeepsie Bridge and there's there's

1136
01:28:22,980 --> 01:28:28,440
access from all different directions and
all different sides to the Poughkeepsie

1137
01:28:26,639 --> 01:28:33,540
Bridge and and these other these other
kind of trails

1138
01:28:30,060 --> 01:28:38,580
the Hudson Highland Fjord uh Trail
trust predicts an increase of hundreds

1139
01:28:36,300 --> 01:28:42,239
of thousands of visitors annually with
upwards of 66 percent arriving by

1140
01:28:41,219 --> 01:28:47,040
vehicle
that's at the firehouse

1141
01:28:43,980 --> 01:28:52,260
all vehicles arriving from the south and
the East must pass through the traffic

1142
01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:57,060
light at the intersection of routes 9d
and 301 in the village

1143
01:28:55,020 --> 01:29:00,060
this does include cars heading to
parking lots between Cold Spring and

1144
01:28:58,980 --> 01:29:04,080
Beacon
will the

1145
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:08,820
dgeis
address this increase in traffic

1146
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:13,639
specifically how will the obviously
adverse impacts impacts be mitigated

1147
01:29:11,699 --> 01:29:18,600
pursuant to section
617.9 of New York codes rules and

1148
01:29:16,679 --> 01:29:21,860
regulations governing the State
Environmental Quality review

1149
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:30,659
between a rock and a hard place in Cold
Spring

1150
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:34,679
I got it so part 617 is the regulations
that implement the Seeker regulations

1151
01:29:33,060 --> 01:29:38,520
the State Environmental Quality review
act that is what the draft generic

1152
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:43,860
environmental impact statement is doing
so that those that will be addressed in

1153
01:29:41,460 --> 01:29:47,540
that document we are very lucky our
sister agency the New York State

1154
01:29:45,420 --> 01:29:53,219
Department of Transportation has just
amazing talent in its Engineers

1155
01:29:50,639 --> 01:29:58,860
designers traffic control people traffic
access people they have already been out

1156
01:29:55,679 --> 01:30:05,100
working with us and with your Trail on
you know how do we look at safety in

1157
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:10,320
that Corridor I personally have not been
part of conversations and on the on the

1158
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:14,520
intersection of Route 301 on D and 90
because it's not part of the park but I

1159
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:19,139
believe such conversations have happened
there are conversations with the D.O.T

1160
01:30:17,100 --> 01:30:22,620
as to whether or not somewhere along
this Corridor should a roundabout go in

1161
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:28,139
that becomes a traffic calming device
there are there are discussions of

1162
01:30:25,020 --> 01:30:32,460
should there are discussions of good
speed go down there are discussions of

1163
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:36,659
how do you narrow a road how do you make
it how do you make it so that people are

1164
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:41,940
forced to go slower all of those things
go on the table I'm not saying any of

1165
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:47,880
them happen but they are all the regular
traffic calming tools that we have to

1166
01:30:46,020 --> 01:30:54,540
consider when you start to look at how
do you make intersections and junctures

1167
01:30:51,260 --> 01:31:01,100
safer so I think that we are lucky that
we have a sister agency and we have

1168
01:30:57,679 --> 01:31:07,139
conversation there will be a lot of data
collected in the course of the

1169
01:31:04,620 --> 01:31:13,620
um draft generic environmental impact
statement and then that will then inform

1170
01:31:11,219 --> 01:31:18,120
what what the what Solutions are
proposed

1171
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:22,080
yeah but we're not sitting waiting for
someone to tell us we have to do

1172
01:31:20,159 --> 01:31:27,420
something we want to be helping these
conditions so we've already been meeting

1173
01:31:24,420 --> 01:31:33,420
with the mayor and trustee starbook
and have agreed that we're going to work

1174
01:31:29,820 --> 01:31:38,940
together with DOT to evaluate solutions
to the 90 301 intersection because it's

1175
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:42,540
already failing right now and so I think
dot has some ideas for what could be

1176
01:31:40,860 --> 01:31:46,260
done there and we want to be able to it
kind of work those through with them a

1177
01:31:44,580 --> 01:31:50,820
bit
and for clarity

1178
01:31:48,719 --> 01:31:53,940
these are initial conversations with Dot
and they come back to public session

1179
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:56,880
where minutes are taken and the public
can comment

1180
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:59,960
um these are their Village discussions
that'll happen at Village Hall

1181
01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:07,139
um oh I am I continuing for you I am
good okay okay you're all finished with

1182
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:12,300
answering Mr May's question
so we're moving on to

1183
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:14,420
um environmental impact and climate
change

1184
01:32:15,239 --> 01:32:23,159
um Grace Kennedy is first and on Deck
should be Lauren Martin Adam osterfeld

1185
01:32:20,580 --> 01:32:28,679
and Susan peel please
hi Grace

1186
01:32:25,260 --> 01:32:34,679
uh Metro North has requested a 25-foot
buffer between tracks and Trail

1187
01:32:30,679 --> 01:32:38,699
between little Stony Point and Breakneck
meaning that every tree along the river

1188
01:32:36,659 --> 01:32:43,500
would have to be removed to accommodate
a 14-foot wide Boardwalk

1189
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:49,100
cantilevered shading the shoreline and
preventing regrowth how does this

1190
01:32:45,540 --> 01:32:49,100
protect against flooding

1191
01:32:51,860 --> 01:32:55,540
[Applause]

1192
01:32:56,100 --> 01:33:03,780
okay
so yes we did have to meet setbacks with

1193
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:09,780
Metro North yes they are holding us to a
25 foot setback that's 25 feet from

1194
01:33:07,139 --> 01:33:15,179
Center not the edge of tie so it's maybe
a little narrower than what you thought

1195
01:33:12,300 --> 01:33:20,400
um it's also not 14 feet wide in this
area because it's such a highly

1196
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:25,380
constrained area so we are as wide as 14
feet in areas like Breakneck connector

1197
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:30,300
where there's going to be a reasonable
expectation of a lot of traffic with the

1198
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:35,639
train arrivals Etc we need more width to
make that accommodated here we will have

1199
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:40,800
more width where we can given the
constraints of the corridor but we're

1200
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:46,199
not playing to a 40 14 feet straight
shot sort of concept here because it is

1201
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:50,520
a complicated area so we've had a study
this was the alignment we worked on with

1202
01:33:48,179 --> 01:33:56,580
a committee that was basically half
Metro North interest and half River

1203
01:33:53,100 --> 01:33:59,880
focused interests and we really hammered
through you know what the those

1204
01:33:58,020 --> 01:34:06,060
competing interests it was literally
threading a needle here so I gold is

1205
01:34:03,300 --> 01:34:11,460
golden means we can meet all of the
regulatory requirements of Metro North

1206
01:34:08,340 --> 01:34:17,219
in terms of setbacks and all of the
protective kind of measures for the

1207
01:34:14,100 --> 01:34:22,139
river so like mean high high top of bank
there's different regulatory levels that

1208
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:26,520
are used as sort of if you're in that
that might be problematic for us we have

1209
01:34:24,179 --> 01:34:29,040
to talk have a serious conversation if
you're out of that you're out of the

1210
01:34:27,659 --> 01:34:33,360
regulatory Zone it's an easier
conversation so where it's gold it's

1211
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:40,080
golden and as you can see that's most of
the way so it's 84.5 percent of the way

1212
01:34:37,380 --> 01:34:44,400
where it's blue at the time we did this
it meant we knew we had to go around a

1213
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:48,300
culvert there's a six foot buffer we
need to go around for things with Metro

1214
01:34:46,139 --> 01:34:52,260
North so we did have to go into the
water for a little bit there how we go

1215
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:57,179
into the water is important though and
where it's pink that's where because we

1216
01:34:54,840 --> 01:35:01,560
didn't get a smaller setback where it's
pink we're going to have to go into the

1217
01:34:58,860 --> 01:35:05,699
water in some way does that mean it's
heavily in the water no we still have to

1218
01:35:03,540 --> 01:35:10,679
engineer that out and see how much we go
into the water as it cantilevered is it

1219
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:15,780
Center pile there's a lot of engineering
conversations to still take place

1220
01:35:13,139 --> 01:35:20,460
however we have interviewed we have done
a natural resource inventory on the

1221
01:35:17,639 --> 01:35:25,620
whole Shoreline Trail place we have done
a tree inventory on this whole stretch

1222
01:35:23,100 --> 01:35:31,320
and please know that this includes these
trees right because that was part of the

1223
01:35:27,420 --> 01:35:36,060
thought process there but 674 trees
greater than six inches of caliper

1224
01:35:33,540 --> 01:35:41,580
between little Stony Point and Ray
connect connect Breakneck Ridge

1225
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:45,860
and only some of them if you see in this
Zoom are actually near the pink line of

1226
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:50,699
the trail
and we also had to think about sea level

1227
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:55,440
rise right sea level rise is hitting
this area and here's that little Stony

1228
01:35:53,280 --> 01:36:01,260
Point that really has some inundation
and then in this area just south of the

1229
01:35:58,440 --> 01:36:06,840
tunnel at Breakneck also being heavily
impacted so what does that mean and if

1230
01:36:03,060 --> 01:36:12,179
you remember this is where this is here
so we looked at that and then scape

1231
01:36:10,199 --> 01:36:16,560
who's our landscape architect they have
expertise and sea level rise they do a

1232
01:36:14,159 --> 01:36:20,820
lot of work in shorelines including New
Orleans kind of areas

1233
01:36:18,420 --> 01:36:25,980
and what the the trees that were growing
there as those sea levels rise go

1234
01:36:23,340 --> 01:36:30,600
rise then you have a salinity right so
you're getting more salty water it's

1235
01:36:28,440 --> 01:36:34,800
slowly killing the trees so they went
and looked at these trees and said with

1236
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:39,060
the sea level rise projections which
ones are already sort of being

1237
01:36:36,239 --> 01:36:47,639
compromised which ones as the levels go
and the red is compromised by 20 50 and

1238
01:36:43,620 --> 01:36:52,260
the yellow is by 2080 and green is 2010.
so the where there are ones that are

1239
01:36:50,159 --> 01:36:56,219
going to stay healthier longer we really
want a tree to keep those on the site

1240
01:36:54,120 --> 01:37:00,960
but the other ones that are already dead
and dying they're kind of they're going

1241
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:04,320
so we we factored that into our design
process and thought okay well this is

1242
01:37:03,060 --> 01:37:07,560
the tricky spot where we actually have
to go into the water a little bit but

1243
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:12,420
those tree trees
might need to be cleared for that but

1244
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:17,520
they're also on their way out whereas
here is a fairly healthy spot of trees

1245
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:23,760
and we do have a little bit more room to
literally wiggle with so here we put in

1246
01:37:20,219 --> 01:37:27,600
Wiggles to try to avoid the trees as
much as possible and now it is a

1247
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:31,620
structure I think there's been a lot of
conversation about this as a structure

1248
01:37:29,699 --> 01:37:35,159
but the structure in the case of the
trees I mean it's a structure because

1249
01:37:33,060 --> 01:37:40,739
you have to stay out of sea level rise
it has to be able to handle water in a

1250
01:37:38,460 --> 01:37:44,699
storm event and then you have
um

1251
01:37:42,659 --> 01:37:47,460
the ability to keep more trees because
if you were doing more site grading or

1252
01:37:46,440 --> 01:37:51,120
even if you thought you're going to pile
up a lot of fill you'll bury the roots

1253
01:37:49,679 --> 01:37:55,620
too deep on the tree and kill the tree
anyway so actually doing the pile driven

1254
01:37:53,940 --> 01:37:59,280
is going to help us retain more of the
trees

1255
01:37:56,940 --> 01:38:03,480
and where we do have to go into the
water we've given some special thought

1256
01:38:00,900 --> 01:38:07,860
and attention to that to say if we are
going in can we do something like down

1257
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:12,540
here where you put in a planted shelf
and help build out some Shoreline

1258
01:38:10,199 --> 01:38:16,800
resilience so you can have some planted
shelves with submerged aquatic

1259
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:22,380
vegetation and as the sea level rise
come up and over this Boulder you'll

1260
01:38:19,380 --> 01:38:27,179
have some migration routes for those Sav
Beds which are important habitat areas

1261
01:38:24,659 --> 01:38:31,440
so when we do an intervention in the
water we're also going to be doing a

1262
01:38:29,100 --> 01:38:35,820
habitat and resilience protection
underneath

1263
01:38:33,540 --> 01:38:40,620
is Lauren Martin in the room are we
finished with your response one more oh

1264
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:45,480
sorry and this this just shows other
places where we have that where we might

1265
01:38:42,540 --> 01:38:50,760
have to go around infrastructure of
um Metro North and we could also do a

1266
01:38:47,639 --> 01:38:55,080
planted shelf piece there so
um we're still in early design we just

1267
01:38:53,040 --> 01:39:00,179
brought in a new structural engineer so
that's just started this week actually

1268
01:38:57,480 --> 01:39:03,960
on the 15th they put their pencils to
paper in Earnest and they'll start

1269
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:09,380
design and we'll bring out those ideas
as they evolve

1270
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:14,820
thank you
I'm having a I'm having a terrible time

1271
01:39:12,060 --> 01:39:19,020
reading Andy's cues
sorry about that for cutting you off is

1272
01:39:16,500 --> 01:39:22,620
Lauren Martin here no okay so I'll read
her question if the environmental review

1273
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:27,600
reveals that there will be significant
impacts to species such as the New

1274
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:32,239
England Cottontail Cerulean warblers and
submerged vegetation will the project be

1275
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:32,239
canceled

1276
01:39:33,770 --> 01:39:46,139
[Applause]
so we are state parks

1277
01:39:40,199 --> 01:39:51,120
we care deeply about our the habitats we
have several biologists in our own

1278
01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:55,080
staff right within the region and
certainly Statewide

1279
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:59,159
and we
first we have a process so you inventory

1280
01:39:57,659 --> 01:40:02,940
you look at your Baseline you look at
what's out there and we have in fact

1281
01:40:01,380 --> 01:40:08,580
this picture is a natural resource
inventory of little Stony Point and that

1282
01:40:06,179 --> 01:40:11,820
led to sort of changing things around as
the design team was looking at what

1283
01:40:10,199 --> 01:40:16,560
might go there and what might not go
there and how it would be placed on the

1284
01:40:13,739 --> 01:40:21,900
site so you then the first step that you
do when you're looking at any of these

1285
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:26,219
particular endangered threatened special
concern natural resources to seek to

1286
01:40:23,820 --> 01:40:31,940
avoid their habitats and seek to avoid
any impacts built into many of our our

1287
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:37,560
project permits are you can't tree cut
between you know in November you can

1288
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:42,780
only treat cut after October 31st and
and until March 31st because of the

1289
01:40:40,739 --> 01:40:46,080
long-eared back northern long-eared bat
because they're dead stick and doing

1290
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:51,659
things so unless it's a hazardous tree
or other things and same thing we have

1291
01:40:48,540 --> 01:40:59,520
we we seek to
avoid and in cases where you can't avoid

1292
01:40:55,739 --> 01:41:03,840
you mitigate and that that determination
of mitigation really won't come until

1293
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:07,860
the very end when you determine that
whatever your projects is and you have

1294
01:41:06,060 --> 01:41:11,340
to do something in an area that may have
an impact and how would you offset that

1295
01:41:09,719 --> 01:41:16,139
impact but
always first is a void

1296
01:41:13,980 --> 01:41:20,820
plan around it see what you can do
minimize

1297
01:41:17,940 --> 01:41:26,580
and then mitigate this is the the steps
that we would go as we look for how do

1298
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:30,719
we deal with any of the various animals
and plants that are that are that are

1299
01:41:29,340 --> 01:41:35,179
not invasive that are that are
threatened and and uh special in the

1300
01:41:33,060 --> 01:41:35,179
area

1301
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:42,619
um
seem finished with that one

1302
01:41:38,219 --> 01:41:42,619
okay Adam osterfeld

1303
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:48,260
I

1304
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:57,420
um I worked at Duchess art camp for
seven years every summer while the long

1305
01:41:54,840 --> 01:42:02,400
dock was being created so I watched the
Waterfront front development at Beacon

1306
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:06,420
station for seven years from the start
and we know that much of the river

1307
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:10,320
Shoreline has been Disturbed for over a
hundred years

1308
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:15,920
the restoration at long dock brought
back wildlife and habitat including

1309
01:42:13,199 --> 01:42:20,540
the pollinators and the native plants
what kind of plants are there to restore

1310
01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:25,199
the natural habitat that existed
pre-industrial Revolution and how will

1311
01:42:23,159 --> 01:42:31,080
the restoration help mitigate the rising
water levels caused by climate change I

1312
01:42:28,619 --> 01:42:34,619
think some of my question was answered
with those last few

1313
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:42,840
um
okay but that's it thanks Adam

1314
01:42:37,950 --> 01:42:46,560
[Applause]
so hopefully you can see this I know

1315
01:42:44,460 --> 01:42:53,699
there's a little bit of a glare this is
a historic map that scape pulled that

1316
01:42:49,619 --> 01:42:58,619
shows in the dotted line and this is
Breakneck I believe the dotted line

1317
01:42:56,100 --> 01:43:04,980
shows the original Shoreline so you can
see how much fill was put in to the

1318
01:43:01,260 --> 01:43:09,840
river when the railroad was put in so
that's so this would be the Breakneck

1319
01:43:06,480 --> 01:43:13,619
connector project area right so this is
a significant amount of fill which is

1320
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:17,280
just to say it's a highly Disturbed
Shoreline on top of the railroad you

1321
01:43:15,540 --> 01:43:20,100
also had other
um

1322
01:43:17,820 --> 01:43:24,600
activities this is the coring I love
this image the quarrying activity and

1323
01:43:22,199 --> 01:43:28,739
this is a little Stony Point see so all
of this area was fill and and if you

1324
01:43:26,820 --> 01:43:33,179
remember the sea level rise projections
this C is going to take it right back so

1325
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:38,040
that's where the sea level rise comes up
is where there was this fill put in so

1326
01:43:36,239 --> 01:43:41,520
that also had impacts and north of that
and there's a lot of Brickyard activity

1327
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:45,659
so there's different
um kind of impacts on the landscape from

1328
01:43:43,500 --> 01:43:48,659
that prior activity
um when you have a lot of disturbance

1329
01:43:47,100 --> 01:43:53,400
and especially if you're by a highway
court or a railroad cord or you get a

1330
01:43:51,119 --> 01:43:57,540
lot of invasives then established in
that Disturbed area so between the train

1331
01:43:55,500 --> 01:44:01,500
and Highway and the brake neck connector
and Adam I just used Breakneck connector

1332
01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:04,320
since that's the most
um

1333
01:44:02,159 --> 01:44:08,880
designed at this point in time just but
see treat it as a case study for what we

1334
01:44:06,719 --> 01:44:15,179
would do other than other places as well
so right now mostly settled in with

1335
01:44:11,940 --> 01:44:21,420
invasives as we do the restoration when
the improvements are made it will be

1336
01:44:18,420 --> 01:44:26,699
using a native plant palette improving
the soils which are fairly poor right

1337
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:31,320
there and adding new plants that are
sourced from local nurseries so this is

1338
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:35,780
a bit of the plant palette that would be
in

1339
01:44:32,580 --> 01:44:40,619
put into the Breakneck connector area
and this just shows you the planting

1340
01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:46,139
extends in those locations so it's
basically 5.4 Acres of native planting

1341
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:50,760
Restoration in this whole area kind of
in this case not all cases we're really

1342
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:56,940
planting the whole area because it was
so highly Disturbed that includes 430

1343
01:44:54,179 --> 01:45:02,520
native trees being added to this part of
the project area as well as over 2 000

1344
01:45:00,540 --> 01:45:08,580
shrubs that are native and that doesn't
get to the other little perennials

1345
01:45:06,300 --> 01:45:13,199
um and then just tune to note that we're
including where this culverts or where

1346
01:45:11,159 --> 01:45:16,199
we might want somebody to be able to
crawl underneath the trail we are

1347
01:45:14,820 --> 01:45:20,159
putting in different little Wildlife
Crossings into this and in the fencing

1348
01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:26,040
that's in there right now there are
Wildlife Crossings in that too

1349
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:31,320
additionally we have water managing
water in this area is important

1350
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:36,420
um Metro North we'll say keep the water
off my tracks so what we want to do is

1351
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:40,980
improve the storm water drainage off of
that very steep slope above you know

1352
01:45:39,239 --> 01:45:46,500
better than what it is right now in
terms of storm water management here so

1353
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:51,719
and try to create it into a sort of a
wet Garden that would be seasonally wet

1354
01:45:49,980 --> 01:45:55,139
or when there's a storm event it's wet
but then it'll dry out but we'll have

1355
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:59,219
plants that can handle that in that
location and then maybe through the

1356
01:45:57,420 --> 01:46:04,699
culverts some water will be pushing in
at times and similarly this planting

1357
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:04,699
palette will be able to handle that

1358
01:46:07,860 --> 01:46:10,460
okay

1359
01:46:13,639 --> 01:46:21,300
hi
Jason you were going to help me with

1360
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:26,340
this with them with the explanation
a quick explanation of a positive

1361
01:46:24,480 --> 01:46:30,300
declaration and a secret finding this is
just from the New York State DEC website

1362
01:46:28,440 --> 01:46:35,400
for some context to your question Susan
a positive declaration is issued if an

1363
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:40,920
action is determined to have potentially
a significant environmental impacts and

1364
01:46:38,699 --> 01:46:44,460
in environmental impact statement is
required an applicant must submit a

1365
01:46:42,780 --> 01:46:50,280
draft environmental impact statement in
that finding thank you and that triggers

1366
01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:55,199
a public comment period
so seven significant ecological

1367
01:46:52,739 --> 01:47:01,320
communities identified by the New York
natural heritage program as well as

1368
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:07,500
endangered and threatened species exist
in the trail corridor

1369
01:47:04,139 --> 01:47:14,820
a far more modest floor Trail proposal
was given a positive declaration

1370
01:47:10,500 --> 01:47:20,699
which is a negative in 2015. what has
changed to make these habitats and

1371
01:47:17,639 --> 01:47:25,620
species less vulnerable now than they
were then

1372
01:47:21,860 --> 01:47:25,620
[Applause]

1373
01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:35,940
so if you understand Seeker that
positive positive declaration that was

1374
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:41,340
just um described
is the trigger that allows us to do an

1375
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:45,060
environmental impact statement so if you
get what would be called a neg deck we

1376
01:47:43,739 --> 01:47:49,500
might have turned around and just said
okay you have a neck deck you can go

1377
01:47:46,679 --> 01:47:53,340
ahead do do your Trail so a pause deck
is always used where there is the where

1378
01:47:51,480 --> 01:47:57,600
you want to do those studies you want to
engage in the public comment you want to

1379
01:47:55,260 --> 01:48:02,880
have this process and the analysis that
we're going through the pos positive

1380
01:47:59,699 --> 01:48:06,960
declaration that was issued in 2015 is
the same positive declaration in which

1381
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:14,040
we are operating under right now
it is carried through this is still a an

1382
01:48:11,460 --> 01:48:19,980
environmental impact process that is
going on and that declaration basically

1383
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:24,540
and I have it here talks about the trail
that runs from City Beacon train station

1384
01:48:22,199 --> 01:48:28,980
down to the Village of Coldspring train
station along the Main Street

1385
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:33,840
um you know in Putnam County that's the
wording in the in in

1386
01:48:31,199 --> 01:48:37,920
in this it's the type one action under
Seeker under the regulations that

1387
01:48:35,580 --> 01:48:43,080
Implement Seeker so it nothing has
changed this this really complicated and

1388
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:45,719
funny looking slide if you look to the
very left

1389
01:48:43,980 --> 01:48:50,340
step one and you can't read it but I'll
just explained that dark box says is the

1390
01:48:47,940 --> 01:48:55,080
action subject to Seeker the answer is
yes anything almost anything is subject

1391
01:48:53,159 --> 01:48:59,460
to Seeker these days if you go to the
yellow box that's where we are and if

1392
01:48:57,540 --> 01:49:04,260
you go to the far right that's where we
end up so all you need to know is this

1393
01:49:01,440 --> 01:49:08,040
is a process and it's a process that has
sort of UPS downs and sideways depending

1394
01:49:06,480 --> 01:49:11,760
on what comes out of the of the
different information that's collected

1395
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:16,800
you can move to the next slide because
if you so we're in a process the process

1396
01:49:15,239 --> 01:49:21,420
is the draft environmental impact
statement nothing has changed in terms

1397
01:49:18,900 --> 01:49:26,400
of the X7 ecological communities at an
ecological Community says what do you

1398
01:49:23,820 --> 01:49:31,619
have in plant life and an animal life
that impacts sort of what uses a common

1399
01:49:29,100 --> 01:49:37,679
environment and these are just
identified by the state to help you

1400
01:49:33,540 --> 01:49:40,920
understand sort of what might be in a
particular

1401
01:49:38,780 --> 01:49:45,119
ecological community so if you go to the
next site so we have and many of you

1402
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:49,920
will recognize this from your own
neighborhoods or your own backyards we

1403
01:49:47,639 --> 01:49:54,480
have Oak tulip tree forests in this area
that's one of our ecological communities

1404
01:49:52,020 --> 01:49:59,400
and certain plants grow in Oak and
certain animals live in Oak tulip tree

1405
01:49:57,179 --> 01:50:04,080
Forest because we have Summits on our
Highlands we have red cedar Rocky

1406
01:50:01,500 --> 01:50:08,520
Summits we have Chestnut Oak Summit
forests we have Appalachian Oak Hickory

1407
01:50:06,420 --> 01:50:12,300
Forest those are four of the sort of
plant communities that we have that are

1408
01:50:10,500 --> 01:50:16,260
considered E coli logical communities
out of the seven

1409
01:50:13,560 --> 01:50:20,280
because we're on the river we have
brackish in our title mud flats and we

1410
01:50:18,480 --> 01:50:25,320
have brackish tidal Marsh and then again
to the very top of the hills we have

1411
01:50:22,860 --> 01:50:30,600
that Pitch Pine Oak Heath Rocky Summit
where you see the the wind more wind

1412
01:50:27,119 --> 01:50:35,760
swept lower lower scrubby growth those
are the seven identified ecological

1413
01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:41,820
habitats that we have that we plan
around look to see what see what's there

1414
01:50:38,639 --> 01:50:46,500
and what is impacted by any of the trail
the trail doesn't necessarily

1415
01:50:44,219 --> 01:50:51,900
go through all of those or any of those
but it is in this catchment area

1416
01:50:49,199 --> 01:50:56,940
go to the next slide
so again as I said earlier with the

1417
01:50:54,480 --> 01:51:01,679
question that Lauren asked we evaluate
an inventory and study the area

1418
01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:07,020
the first thing that happened when the
discussion was for the causeway was came

1419
01:51:04,380 --> 01:51:11,159
for and linking little Stony Point to
Dockside was hudsonia was called in to

1420
01:51:08,940 --> 01:51:15,300
do a baseline evaluation of what was
again along the shoreline and what was

1421
01:51:12,780 --> 01:51:21,540
around little Stony Point and there are
just a a a well-known

1422
01:51:18,139 --> 01:51:26,580
scientifically based organization
we assess the impact

1423
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:30,300
what happened so for instance we are in
an eagle catchment area so we always

1424
01:51:28,440 --> 01:51:34,500
have to know where are nesting Eagles
what is the impact of of construction

1425
01:51:32,639 --> 01:51:37,560
how does it do it interestingly enough
most of the Eagles don't seem to mind

1426
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:41,159
most of the construction but we have a
lot of noise tables and you see the

1427
01:51:39,480 --> 01:51:46,920
nests right above the highways all the
time but we have um and and Eagles you

1428
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:52,380
know are are no longer on the endangered
uh uh list but the peregrine falcon is

1429
01:51:50,340 --> 01:51:54,360
and the bat is so we have a bunch of
different things that we have they're

1430
01:51:53,400 --> 01:51:59,400
different levels whether you're
endangered or threatened or a special

1431
01:51:55,739 --> 01:52:04,199
concern we avoid the impact to this
extent you can you shift you shift the

1432
01:52:02,100 --> 01:52:08,280
what might be on a site plan or you can
have restrictions for when you do your

1433
01:52:05,820 --> 01:52:13,080
construction or you have monitors and
you mitigate if there's anything that

1434
01:52:10,500 --> 01:52:16,219
you can't remove so it's the same answer
really as as before

1435
01:52:22,639 --> 01:52:28,980
we've arrived at the last question of
the evening which is coming from Teresa

1436
01:52:26,460 --> 01:52:32,040
lagerman and then we'll roll into the
comment period

1437
01:52:30,719 --> 01:52:39,780
good evening
hi what how will hhft or the state

1438
01:52:36,739 --> 01:52:43,920
anybody's welcome support the village of
Cold Spring to handle the increased

1439
01:52:41,820 --> 01:52:49,320
strain in its infrastructure that the
fuel Trail will bring this is very much

1440
01:52:46,500 --> 01:52:53,100
not a bathroom question the village as
it is can barely keep up with sidewalk

1441
01:52:51,060 --> 01:52:57,080
repairs garbage pickup payments of the
water treatment plant Etc thank you

1442
01:53:01,500 --> 01:53:07,860
thank you
so as I mentioned we're already at the

1443
01:53:05,820 --> 01:53:11,820
table with the village on this the next
meeting we have planned we're going to

1444
01:53:09,780 --> 01:53:15,420
have a map in on the table in front of
us and

1445
01:53:13,199 --> 01:53:18,239
really map out issue areas that the
village has or needs that the village

1446
01:53:16,739 --> 01:53:23,280
has and then we're going to talk about
which of those maybe Fjord helps with or

1447
01:53:21,540 --> 01:53:28,619
which ones we might be able to help the
village identify resources for so that

1448
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:33,840
includes like we mentioned working on
the dot 90 intersection function

1449
01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:37,880
sidewalk improvements from the train
station would be part of what we would

1450
01:53:35,580 --> 01:53:42,960
think about doing if we went to Dockside
sidewalk extension on Fair Street I

1451
01:53:40,619 --> 01:53:45,960
think in any event
foreign

1452
01:53:49,619 --> 01:53:55,679
I'll take it
evaluate other pedestrian Improvement

1453
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:59,639
needs is something that the village has
been asking for we're going to that's

1454
01:53:57,719 --> 01:54:02,400
part of the study realm that happens
over this year

1455
01:54:01,380 --> 01:54:05,820
um
possible garbage emptying on the

1456
01:54:04,199 --> 01:54:09,480
waterfront if we go through the Dockside
route we know that's a high volume area

1457
01:54:07,619 --> 01:54:14,040
it's a little separated from the rest of
Main Street so it's a sort of

1458
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:16,980
a time probably time consuming thing for
staff to go that extra way just for

1459
01:54:15,719 --> 01:54:20,400
those
um

1460
01:54:17,699 --> 01:54:24,540
retaining Village events at like
fireworks and movie Nights at Dockside

1461
01:54:22,260 --> 01:54:28,940
we've always committed that if we go to
The Dockside route we would be working

1462
01:54:26,280 --> 01:54:33,300
with the village about how that happens
the plant there would be a special

1463
01:54:31,100 --> 01:54:37,260
community-based planning process to
identify what occurs on that site and we

1464
01:54:35,820 --> 01:54:41,520
wanted to always make the commitment
that if the retaining of those events

1465
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:46,440
that happen there now should always be
on the table is sort of a given so that

1466
01:54:45,060 --> 01:54:51,780
would be a process that would move
forward with all of us at the table

1467
01:54:48,300 --> 01:54:54,719
right now it's just a very swirly site
plan

1468
01:54:53,159 --> 01:54:57,719
um and then helping the village like I
said identify potential funding

1469
01:54:56,340 --> 01:55:01,139
opportunities and we could maybe even
help with grant writing for those since

1470
01:54:59,460 --> 01:55:03,800
Seth can be a big lift especially with
state grants

1471
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:11,219
um and then we've essentially evolved
you know and we are continuing to hone

1472
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:14,580
ourselves as a visitation management
strategy

1473
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:18,719
and so that means you know looking at
infrastructure

1474
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:24,900
providing the infrastructure through the
project to help manage visitation

1475
01:55:20,840 --> 01:55:29,880
offering the Staffing at our cost to
maintain the Park area and to help

1476
01:55:27,300 --> 01:55:33,420
manage visitors including implementing
different tools like reservations

1477
01:55:31,320 --> 01:55:38,940
systems
and then emergency response assistance

1478
01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:42,199
offering those services like garbage and
bathrooms like putting them in and then

1479
01:55:40,739 --> 01:55:46,860
maintaining them
technology and tools to help manage

1480
01:55:44,580 --> 01:55:50,820
visitation and that includes demand
management like pricing reservations Etc

1481
01:55:49,679 --> 01:55:55,260
so
the project has it baked in to help do

1482
01:55:53,340 --> 01:55:58,159
that and we'll continue to refine that
with your input

1483
01:55:59,880 --> 01:56:06,150
that's I don't know I don't read slides
but yes

1484
01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:16,180
so that's it
[Applause]

1485
01:56:17,460 --> 01:56:24,900
okay okay you guys are all set so so we
have a sign in

1486
01:56:22,619 --> 01:56:30,800
yes so we uh we do have the sign-in
sheet which was available from 6 30 to 7

1487
01:56:27,179 --> 01:56:30,800
P.M sorry did you hear me

1488
01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:37,920
can you hear me now
okay thank you so there was a sign-in

1489
01:56:35,100 --> 01:56:41,400
sheet that was posted between 6 30 and 7
PM we will try to get through as many of

1490
01:56:40,020 --> 01:56:48,659
these
um speakers as possible on between now

1491
01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:52,679
and 9 30. so uh the first one is three
minute limit yes there's a three minute

1492
01:56:50,159 --> 01:56:55,760
limit on speaking so first up is
Gretchen Dykstra

1493
01:56:57,800 --> 01:57:06,719
good evening so just for just to give
Gretchen space the more we applaud the

1494
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:11,040
fewer questions we get to so let's just
keep moving through questions

1495
01:57:08,580 --> 01:57:15,300
I oppose the fewer Trails current design
for the many environmental and

1496
01:57:13,080 --> 01:57:20,400
logistical reasons that others have
cited how did a Community Driven modest

1497
01:57:18,179 --> 01:57:26,159
and realistic scheme morph into
grandiose attraction on public land

1498
01:57:22,820 --> 01:57:32,580
already receiving millions of taxpayers
dollars I choose to focus on the money

1499
01:57:29,699 --> 01:57:39,360
there is no overall construction budget
at least that the public has seen but be

1500
01:57:36,540 --> 01:57:45,080
but before final approvals final
drawings and value engineering

1501
01:57:41,659 --> 01:57:50,940
responsible developers including large
not-for-profit organizations always

1502
01:57:47,659 --> 01:57:55,860
estimate construction costs Scenic
Hudson and its subsidiary should be held

1503
01:57:53,699 --> 01:58:01,739
to that same standard and most
importantly Albany should demand it I

1504
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:07,139
have equally deep concerns about the
lack of long-term operating budget and

1505
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:13,020
the total lack of any public discussion
on that essential issue staff say

1506
01:58:10,560 --> 01:58:18,360
parking and fundraising will support the
project but more than two years ago the

1507
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:23,400
New York state parks gave the tiny Fjord
Trail project the right to sell

1508
01:58:20,699 --> 01:58:29,940
sponsorships encourage paid promotions
and establish concessions along the

1509
01:58:26,040 --> 01:58:34,860
trail staff never mentioned that the day
they take possession of Dockside and

1510
01:58:31,980 --> 01:58:40,739
little Stony Point budget realities will
hit liability and Insurance alone will

1511
01:58:38,159 --> 01:58:46,320
be astronomical and the higher their
costs the greater the incentive to

1512
01:58:43,020 --> 01:58:53,400
monetize public space I am opposed to
privatizing public land and if they

1513
01:58:49,320 --> 01:58:59,099
cannot raise money to maintain 7.5 miles
of Trail guess who will pay the

1514
01:58:56,520 --> 01:59:04,560
taxpayers
so New York state parks signed a

1515
01:59:01,739 --> 01:59:10,560
contract with a new small not-for-profit
organization with no guarantees from its

1516
01:59:07,619 --> 01:59:15,719
parents Cena cutson that shows raw
political power on the part of Cena

1517
01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:21,119
cutson and poor judgment on the part of
our elected and appointed officials I

1518
01:59:18,659 --> 01:59:26,580
worked for I worked for several
high-profile public-private Partnerships

1519
01:59:23,699 --> 01:59:31,320
in the city one was driven by ethical
public servants and experienced

1520
01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:37,500
volunteers who cared about transparency
and true Community participation and had

1521
01:59:34,619 --> 01:59:43,320
no Financial conflicts the Times Square
bid was a model of openness and

1522
01:59:40,199 --> 01:59:49,580
efficiency another was messy and
wasteful the public was told that the

1523
01:59:45,960 --> 01:59:56,400
private donors would pay for the 350
million dollar project but when it

1524
01:59:52,500 --> 02:00:02,280
ultimately cost 1.3 billion guess who
paid the difference the taxpayers our

1525
01:59:59,820 --> 02:00:07,199
elected officials are way behind the
eight ball all across the nation under

1526
02:00:04,920 --> 02:00:11,699
growing pressure state and local
governments are developing better

1527
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:14,780
policies and procedures to guarantee
that local communities

1528
02:00:15,739 --> 02:00:20,480
thank you
foreign

1529
02:00:22,490 --> 02:00:29,319
[Applause]

1530
02:00:38,119 --> 02:00:45,540
is not written down and or my comment is
not written down so I may stumble my

1531
02:00:43,860 --> 02:00:50,639
original question was if the whole
Community is against this is there any

1532
02:00:48,179 --> 02:00:54,300
legal way anymore that we could stop
this if we wanted to but that seems like

1533
02:00:52,619 --> 02:00:58,080
that's been answered because this is
state land

1534
02:00:55,380 --> 02:01:02,219
and at the end of all the studies when
it's all done and here's the final plan

1535
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:06,179
this is the plan this is it
we don't want it the stake as you say

1536
02:01:04,619 --> 02:01:12,320
This Is Our Land go ahead and do
whatever they want we can't stop this

1537
02:01:10,139 --> 02:01:12,320
um

1538
02:01:12,719 --> 02:01:18,780
you know that being the case I was
wondering because you folks have spoken

1539
02:01:16,380 --> 02:01:23,119
about this being not only a partnership
but public-private partnership but also

1540
02:01:21,060 --> 02:01:29,460
with the community meaning phillipstown
Cold Spring Nelsonville I guess Garrison

1541
02:01:25,980 --> 02:01:33,480
or all of the philipstown villages
um would the state be willing to submit

1542
02:01:31,260 --> 02:01:37,800
at the end when the final plan here it
is this is the plan guys would the state

1543
02:01:36,119 --> 02:01:42,179
be willing to submit to a binding
referendum for all the citizens of

1544
02:01:39,960 --> 02:01:46,679
philipstown to vote you just yes or no
no comments vote Yes or no and if the

1545
02:01:44,760 --> 02:01:52,070
nose rule that's the end of the project
and maybe it would go back to the

1546
02:01:48,960 --> 02:02:01,130
original small trail that was proposed
[Applause]

1547
02:02:01,260 --> 02:02:03,800
sorry

1548
02:02:04,980 --> 02:02:08,119
Sheila Roush

1549
02:02:12,179 --> 02:02:22,139
I'm really very quick the problem for me
is that you guys understandably talk

1550
02:02:17,580 --> 02:02:26,460
about a world-class linear Park and you
know proudly and then you also say it's

1551
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:32,040
not going to bother you you know it's
just going to be locals that use it and

1552
02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:35,520
we're worried about traffic you haven't
done a traffic study I understand you're

1553
02:02:34,380 --> 02:02:39,500
doing it
but

1554
02:02:37,080 --> 02:02:44,580
to have us in this state of anxiety
about traffic and you have nothing to

1555
02:02:42,420 --> 02:02:49,080
say about it and when you do I'm really
thankful we're going to have a traffic

1556
02:02:46,340 --> 02:02:54,780
monitor ourselves I'm really thankful
about that but when you do

1557
02:02:51,420 --> 02:02:59,460
deliver the dgeis
apparently they're only 30 days to

1558
02:02:57,119 --> 02:03:03,179
review it not so
well that's good

1559
02:03:01,320 --> 02:03:07,739
but
you've already begun the Breakneck

1560
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:10,020
connector at least your literature says
so

1561
02:03:08,820 --> 02:03:17,159
yes
Laguna you got a pause deck a neg deck

1562
02:03:14,040 --> 02:03:21,780
what's the good one the negative you got
a neg deck

1563
02:03:18,719 --> 02:03:26,460
and and and you can understand that that
causes a lot of anxiety we're very

1564
02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:32,040
worried about traffic
and

1565
02:03:28,320 --> 02:03:35,840
just complete swarming of Cold Spring
so you know there are these two things

1566
02:03:38,600 --> 02:03:44,659
[Applause]
Rick Franco

1567
02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:55,080
ah hi Rick thanks
a question

1568
02:03:54,300 --> 02:03:57,679
um
so

1569
02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:08,880
I don't know I guess it was about four
years ago

1570
02:04:02,340 --> 02:04:15,320
when I got one of your glossy magazines
and it said that

1571
02:04:11,820 --> 02:04:21,119
you were going to reimagine
the trail

1572
02:04:18,119 --> 02:04:29,300
and that scared the heck out
because that means that meant

1573
02:04:24,960 --> 02:04:36,300
you were starting from scratch
so starting from scratch

1574
02:04:32,639 --> 02:04:41,460
oh Anything Could Happen
um

1575
02:04:37,619 --> 02:04:44,780
and anything did happen
um

1576
02:04:42,119 --> 02:04:50,820
we went from
I've been following I've been going to

1577
02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:52,880
all of the the meetings
um

1578
02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:08,360
I
um

1579
02:05:12,960 --> 02:05:15,679
the

1580
02:05:15,739 --> 02:05:23,280
at this point here
uh

1581
02:05:19,980 --> 02:05:30,619
the trail was and I think somebody
mentioned that it was pretty much

1582
02:05:25,980 --> 02:05:36,719
graveled with a little bit of
pebbles in between

1583
02:05:33,719 --> 02:05:44,639
and then all of a sudden it became
apparent that there was going to be uh

1584
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:50,400
a concrete walkway
and and that that was a lot different

1585
02:05:48,719 --> 02:05:57,119
so
um

1586
02:05:52,380 --> 02:06:00,119
at that point I I gave up on the project
and

1587
02:06:00,599 --> 02:06:08,280
there was no way
to

1588
02:06:03,920 --> 02:06:15,320
now that the project got to that point
there was no way to deal with it so I

1589
02:06:13,020 --> 02:06:23,280
just you know stood back
and all I'm doing at this point

1590
02:06:19,020 --> 02:06:28,780
is is hoping somebody can you know put
their

1591
02:06:24,300 --> 02:06:34,440
their foot out and and trip it
[Applause]

1592
02:06:34,820 --> 02:06:37,880
thank you

1593
02:06:40,080 --> 02:06:47,239
so we're struggling with handwriting it
looks like maybe Jack Robbins Jeff

1594
02:06:44,280 --> 02:06:47,239
Robbins or maybe

1595
02:06:53,280 --> 02:07:01,800
so it's clearly the problems of over
visitation and traffic and safety have

1596
02:06:59,460 --> 02:07:09,179
been core that was in the original
proposal and yet we have a new proposal

1597
02:07:05,159 --> 02:07:15,659
now that is greatly expanded with many
amenities with a Riverfront Boardwalk

1598
02:07:13,260 --> 02:07:21,239
those are all things that are going to
increase visitation perhaps

1599
02:07:18,599 --> 02:07:26,940
exponentially and these are the very
problems that the proposal was

1600
02:07:23,880 --> 02:07:30,900
originally slated to address
so

1601
02:07:29,159 --> 02:07:35,099
this is something that many are
concerned with because I see in the

1602
02:07:32,520 --> 02:07:41,400
questions that were submitted my
question is how can this project be

1603
02:07:37,500 --> 02:07:46,679
restored to its original scope
which can protect the quality of life

1604
02:07:43,800 --> 02:07:50,940
here and the environment
so if it is a question and you'd like an

1605
02:07:48,960 --> 02:07:54,860
answer we will allow them to provide an
answer would you guys be interested in

1606
02:07:52,260 --> 02:07:54,860
answering that

1607
02:07:55,679 --> 02:08:02,159
we
okay but we had decided if there was a

1608
02:08:00,659 --> 02:08:07,260
question we would respond to a question
is that a question that you'd like

1609
02:08:05,040 --> 02:08:10,280
but John others have asked questions no
they've made statements

1610
02:08:16,500 --> 02:08:23,280
write up some answers to these questions
since we're not doing equal treatment on

1611
02:08:20,159 --> 02:08:26,639
all of them right now but the the I
think there's a lot of misinformation

1612
02:08:24,300 --> 02:08:31,739
about what the plan used to be and how
simple and it was and there's just

1613
02:08:30,060 --> 02:08:35,880
certain realities of building something
on the Metro North right-of-way for

1614
02:08:34,139 --> 02:08:38,820
example right where you're going to have
to have fencing or you have sea level

1615
02:08:37,619 --> 02:08:43,739
rise and it's going to have to be
elevated so I think there's a a

1616
02:08:41,099 --> 02:08:47,820
perception of Simplicity in terms of the
main trail let's forget about the

1617
02:08:45,360 --> 02:08:52,619
add-ons that Ned asked about but in
terms of the main trail there's a sense

1618
02:08:50,040 --> 02:08:57,540
of Simplicity out there that I don't
think ever really was on paper so I just

1619
02:08:55,619 --> 02:09:03,659
want to add
there is a an alternative we've talked

1620
02:09:00,540 --> 02:09:09,840
about Fair Street 9d a simpler
alternative would be less costly less of

1621
02:09:07,500 --> 02:09:14,159
an attraction actually for
visitation

1622
02:09:11,400 --> 02:09:20,159
that could connect to Cornish
and why is that you know not not being

1623
02:09:17,400 --> 02:09:23,280
considered it's in the alternative so we
have the preferred alignment and then

1624
02:09:21,900 --> 02:09:27,119
that's going to get run through all the
paces on the environmental review and

1625
02:09:25,619 --> 02:09:32,219
we'll see and we'll keep talking about
this but I do think we should be seeing

1626
02:09:30,179 --> 02:09:35,340
how this works like does it work the way
we think I always think about it like a

1627
02:09:33,719 --> 02:09:38,880
water balloon if you want to get people
out of town as quickly as possible maybe

1628
02:09:37,199 --> 02:09:43,139
you need three holes in that water
balloon instead of just fair streak

1629
02:09:40,619 --> 02:09:47,159
right so do we have more than one route
that people can take and then you sort

1630
02:09:44,820 --> 02:09:51,599
of Distributing that impact someplace so
I'd like you know the answer is there's

1631
02:09:49,980 --> 02:09:55,920
still time to talk about this but I
think we need to really look at each of

1632
02:09:53,820 --> 02:10:02,279
these from all sides thank you thank you
miss me thank you very much

1633
02:09:59,060 --> 02:10:02,279
[Applause]

1634
02:10:03,320 --> 02:10:08,480
Derek Derek Graham 32 West Street

1635
02:10:09,780 --> 02:10:12,679
hi Derek

1636
02:10:14,460 --> 02:10:22,020
um thank you for allowing me the
opportunity to speak prepared a uh a

1637
02:10:19,320 --> 02:10:26,400
brief statement for you and I'll read
from it the idea of the trailhead at our

1638
02:10:24,599 --> 02:10:30,659
dock side is antithetical and
counter-intuitive to the present

1639
02:10:28,320 --> 02:10:36,300
challenges our village Endeavors to
remediate to this very day it will

1640
02:10:33,540 --> 02:10:40,739
exacerbate what is already epic levels
of traffic compression and visitor

1641
02:10:38,460 --> 02:10:45,179
saturation while at the same time the
developers boasted the addition of the

1642
02:10:42,840 --> 02:10:49,679
Dockside Trailhead will in fact somehow
solve or mitigate these problems not

1643
02:10:47,520 --> 02:10:55,139
only along its Seven Mile Corridor but
specifically our village in other words

1644
02:10:52,280 --> 02:10:59,400
more is less
however there is not a single document

1645
02:10:57,119 --> 02:11:04,320
published that bears out this fantasy
and I fear no document will ever support

1646
02:11:01,320 --> 02:11:08,159
this Fiasco this we call conjecture
the developer team understands these

1647
02:11:06,420 --> 02:11:12,239
challenges has been gracious in
providing opportunities for the public

1648
02:11:10,139 --> 02:11:16,619
to comment the team includes Stellar
designers professionals professionals

1649
02:11:14,400 --> 02:11:22,080
and they're good at most of what they do
however Pro Form and feasibility studies

1650
02:11:19,560 --> 02:11:26,460
are not their strong suit there are no
such studies for our village this week

1651
02:11:23,940 --> 02:11:30,719
we're putting the horse before the car
the developer promises amenities to

1652
02:11:28,500 --> 02:11:34,860
Dockside Trailhead that purportedly fall
under the category of enhanced

1653
02:11:32,699 --> 02:11:39,119
infrastructure such as restrooms and
refuse collection these amenities are

1654
02:11:36,900 --> 02:11:42,719
chiefly in service of enhanced tourism
The Village would only need these

1655
02:11:40,739 --> 02:11:47,880
services to support these additional
tourist loads although the developers in

1656
02:11:46,139 --> 02:11:50,760
our village offices have scheduled local
studies I can't think of anything they

1657
02:11:49,560 --> 02:11:55,020
would draw out
that which we don't already know such as

1658
02:11:53,340 --> 02:11:59,040
the Lower Village master plan was
developed well before the Civil War and

1659
02:11:57,360 --> 02:12:05,820
was never intended to be a mega volume
tourist destination the physical space

1660
02:12:01,860 --> 02:12:10,260
simply isn't there until 19 2016 the
trail plan made at least some sense when

1661
02:12:08,219 --> 02:12:15,060
it did not involve a fourth and
redundant Boardwalk to little Stony

1662
02:12:12,420 --> 02:12:20,099
Point like is not these access Thor
Affairs including 90 and Fair Street

1663
02:12:17,340 --> 02:12:24,360
will continue to be used by tourists to
access the trail system for the reasons

1664
02:12:22,320 --> 02:12:29,460
that they are the shortest routes and
The Dockside is generally inaccessible

1665
02:12:27,179 --> 02:12:33,540
access to a Dockside Trailhead would be
limited by the scarcity of parketing and

1666
02:12:31,860 --> 02:12:38,040
even walking space for a potential
tsunami of tourists most Village

1667
02:12:35,699 --> 02:12:45,320
residents understand these realities and
see Dockside is one of the last natural

1668
02:12:40,500 --> 02:12:45,320
refuges of our within our boundaries

1669
02:12:45,400 --> 02:12:51,840
[Applause]
well Landing a Trailhead at Dockside

1670
02:12:50,040 --> 02:12:56,719
would be an existential threat
tantamount to dropping a nuclear warhead

1671
02:12:53,880 --> 02:12:56,719
on Hackensack

1672
02:12:57,420 --> 02:13:04,800
it's simply too big and the benefits are
equally as small as a constituency who

1673
02:13:02,520 --> 02:13:09,360
Advocates such following as I have said
the Dockside Trailhead represents a

1674
02:13:06,719 --> 02:13:14,340
Superfluous burden and compromised the
smallville's way of life our ability to

1675
02:13:11,940 --> 02:13:16,860
peaceably enjoy our own backyard without
having to compete with them thank you

1676
02:13:15,719 --> 02:13:21,300
sir
next up

1677
02:13:18,239 --> 02:13:25,760
thank you sir thank you time is up thank
you very much sit down thanks

1678
02:13:23,099 --> 02:13:25,760
thank you

1679
02:13:28,679 --> 02:13:31,699
Paul Cotman

1680
02:13:32,579 --> 02:13:38,639
what
hi Paul

1681
02:13:36,840 --> 02:13:41,060
don't worry I'll continue where Derek
left off

1682
02:13:41,099 --> 02:13:46,739
um
so from what I understand I'm really

1683
02:13:45,119 --> 02:13:52,500
addressing this to the trip to my
neighbors so I'll turn this way my

1684
02:13:50,159 --> 02:13:57,659
understanding is that we we don't have
the authority to cancel the the project

1685
02:13:54,900 --> 02:14:02,579
what we do have is the chance to
influence the final form it will take

1686
02:14:00,060 --> 02:14:07,079
so for those of us with deep concerns
about the potential impact of the park

1687
02:14:04,860 --> 02:14:10,980
on our village we should collectively
think about how we can effectively exert

1688
02:14:08,940 --> 02:14:15,420
the influence we have in the short time
available to us

1689
02:14:12,840 --> 02:14:21,000
as a resident of fair street I'm aware
of the dangers of too much foot traffic

1690
02:14:18,239 --> 02:14:24,420
in the village and initially I was
intrigued by the possibility that some

1691
02:14:22,739 --> 02:14:28,560
of that traffic would be diverted for
safety reasons above all but it's

1692
02:14:26,579 --> 02:14:33,840
becoming clear to me and here I agree
with Derek that the plan to start and

1693
02:14:31,199 --> 02:14:38,340
end the Fjord Trail at Dockside would be
I like the image of a nuclear weapon I

1694
02:14:36,719 --> 02:14:41,579
think that's about right would be
extremely disruptive as what I had

1695
02:14:40,020 --> 02:14:45,000
written to the village and perhaps do
little or nothing to improve the

1696
02:14:43,260 --> 02:14:48,239
situation on Fair Street or Garden
Street

1697
02:14:45,780 --> 02:14:54,599
moreover Dockside Park is the nicest
public park in New York state seems to

1698
02:14:52,320 --> 02:15:00,540
putting the Fjord Trail there would ruin
it create a traffic snarl in the village

1699
02:14:58,280 --> 02:15:04,619
worse than all the problems it allegedly
was there to address and forever turn

1700
02:15:02,520 --> 02:15:10,619
Cold Spring into a very different and
from my point of view less desirable

1701
02:15:06,119 --> 02:15:15,060
place to live so I would urge that we in
the room who care about this get behind

1702
02:15:12,840 --> 02:15:20,520
the plan to push the start of the trail
at least to little Stony Point

1703
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:24,300
and at the same time that we push for
the changes that were put on the slide

1704
02:15:22,260 --> 02:15:28,800
to be made to Fair Street to make the
foot traffic there less dangerous

1705
02:15:26,820 --> 02:15:32,280
I believe little Stony Point had been
the original or one of the original

1706
02:15:30,239 --> 02:15:35,760
starting places for the park and it may
be one of the better options available

1707
02:15:33,659 --> 02:15:40,320
to us I'm happy to push it back further
if we can let's get behind in any case

1708
02:15:38,219 --> 02:15:44,280
let's get behind our elected officials
and bolster the influence they still

1709
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:48,900
have over the next year or two to make
sure the new park starts further north

1710
02:15:46,500 --> 02:15:51,619
than darks than than dark side
thank you

1711
02:15:53,460 --> 02:15:56,119
thank you

1712
02:15:58,380 --> 02:16:01,460
Patty D'Amato

1713
02:16:04,020 --> 02:16:06,920
my Patty

1714
02:16:07,860 --> 02:16:15,840
good evening
I live on Stone Street in the village

1715
02:16:12,500 --> 02:16:21,060
one block north of Main Street
one block west not east of The Depot

1716
02:16:19,440 --> 02:16:27,179
restaurant
it was my husband's childhood home

1717
02:16:24,000 --> 02:16:32,399
we decided to leave our quiet street in
Nelsonville after living there for 40

1718
02:16:29,579 --> 02:16:36,540
years to move into his parents home
because it was a good house in which to

1719
02:16:34,679 --> 02:16:43,019
grow old
as much knowledge as we had of the

1720
02:16:40,200 --> 02:16:47,580
difficulties in Cold Spring prior to
2020

1721
02:16:44,820 --> 02:16:53,099
nothing could have prepared us for what
has happened

1722
02:16:49,679 --> 02:16:58,200
we welcome Taurus Phil and I are out on
our porch all the time

1723
02:16:55,200 --> 02:17:01,160
we give directions we give restaurant
recommendations

1724
02:17:01,320 --> 02:17:09,660
we suggest places for people to visit
one couple came from Long Island with

1725
02:17:07,979 --> 02:17:16,080
their toddler
and they said to us

1726
02:17:11,939 --> 02:17:22,740
is your town like this all the time
I said it's become like that

1727
02:17:19,260 --> 02:17:29,160
I said ask let me ask you something
how did you find Cold Spring

1728
02:17:25,019 --> 02:17:33,960
well we googled nice places to visit
then there are the people who ask for

1729
02:17:31,439 --> 02:17:37,500
directions and I'll make conversation
and I'll say what do you think of our

1730
02:17:36,359 --> 02:17:44,340
Waterfront
what you have a waterfront

1731
02:17:40,800 --> 02:17:50,479
people don't do research before they
come

1732
02:17:45,780 --> 02:17:50,479
they're coming here to have a lovely day

1733
02:17:50,719 --> 02:17:57,420
I tell them about the beauties of this
community

1734
02:17:55,260 --> 02:18:01,200
but we're losing the beauty of this
community

1735
02:17:58,620 --> 02:18:05,760
we can't walk on Main Street during the
week

1736
02:18:02,479 --> 02:18:09,420
on the weekends and now during the week
as well

1737
02:18:07,200 --> 02:18:14,280
I was driving down Main Street the week
after Easter a beautiful day

1738
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:19,320
somebody was parallel parking in front
of the coffee house

1739
02:18:15,899 --> 02:18:24,420
I waited for that person and the cars
behind me started laying on their horns

1740
02:18:22,139 --> 02:18:28,019
because they didn't have the patience to
wait

1741
02:18:25,740 --> 02:18:32,760
you're also assuming that people are
going to go and take the shuttle

1742
02:18:30,420 --> 02:18:37,260
that's not going to happen
they're going to drive down Main Street

1743
02:18:34,920 --> 02:18:45,000
even
they're going to drive down Main Street

1744
02:18:39,559 --> 02:18:49,920
go past Susie's dance dialogue over to
the street that goes to mumus and

1745
02:18:47,880 --> 02:18:54,240
they're going to drop off their families
there

1746
02:18:51,240 --> 02:19:01,920
if I want to bring my parents in their
80s I am not going to go to Duchess

1747
02:18:57,359 --> 02:19:07,200
Manor which only has 200 parking spaces
and I'm not going to make them get on a

1748
02:19:04,500 --> 02:19:12,719
shuttle that on some days is going to
run from eight in the morning till 8 at

1749
02:19:09,960 --> 02:19:21,620
night I'm coming to Cold Spring thank
you

1750
02:19:13,629 --> 02:19:21,620
[Applause]

1751
02:19:25,399 --> 02:19:28,820
Peter Henderson

1752
02:19:33,240 --> 02:19:39,540
good evening first of all I'd like to
say that I share my fellow residence

1753
02:19:37,439 --> 02:19:45,780
concerns that this project will
overwhelm this community

1754
02:19:42,080 --> 02:19:52,800
especially if it starts the dark side
but I did want to ask

1755
02:19:48,560 --> 02:19:55,979
Parks who is in fact a project sponsor
as well as the lead Agency for this

1756
02:19:55,020 --> 02:20:03,060
project
to provide some clarification on the

1757
02:19:59,100 --> 02:20:07,920
town's role in this process so Parks has
told us tonight that this is a Parks

1758
02:20:05,220 --> 02:20:14,040
process project and we are in the
process of conducting the environmental

1759
02:20:10,260 --> 02:20:18,300
impact study additionally supervisor Van
Tassel has said on multiple occasions

1760
02:20:15,600 --> 02:20:24,479
including at last month's board meeting
that this is not a town project

1761
02:20:21,540 --> 02:20:28,200
but the record says differently
I've looked closely at all the

1762
02:20:26,160 --> 02:20:31,920
documentation related to the
environmental review process so I'm

1763
02:20:30,479 --> 02:20:37,500
familiar with everything that's part of
the public record for this project

1764
02:20:33,859 --> 02:20:42,359
including the 2015 draft master plan
the scoping documents outlining exactly

1765
02:20:40,080 --> 02:20:47,220
what will be covered in the Eis
and the towns application for local

1766
02:20:44,939 --> 02:20:51,240
Waterfront revitalization program grant
money for the design work for the

1767
02:20:49,319 --> 02:20:57,180
shoreline portion of the trail
and the town's contract with akrf for

1768
02:20:55,500 --> 02:21:03,359
all the work related to the
environmental impact study

1769
02:21:00,660 --> 02:21:08,520
so regarding the grant money back in
2016 the town was awarded four hundred

1770
02:21:06,240 --> 02:21:12,899
thousand dollars from the Department of
state's lwrp program

1771
02:21:10,920 --> 02:21:18,000
and receive matching funds of four
hundred thousand from the Hudson

1772
02:21:14,700 --> 02:21:21,960
Highlands Land Trust Finance design and
Engineering work for the trail and to

1773
02:21:20,160 --> 02:21:27,240
complete the environmental impact
statement which isn't yet finished

1774
02:21:24,359 --> 02:21:32,460
then in 2017 the town of philipstown
signed the contract with akrf and became

1775
02:21:30,660 --> 02:21:37,859
the designated contract administrator
for the Eis work

1776
02:21:35,760 --> 02:21:42,120
the new 2020 plan
represents

1777
02:21:39,720 --> 02:21:47,100
the grandiose vision for the trail as a
linear Park and a major tourist

1778
02:21:44,220 --> 02:21:52,380
attraction starting from dark side with
a two plus Mile Stretch a 14 foot wide

1779
02:21:50,640 --> 02:21:55,859
elevated Boardwalk
and it also turns little Stony Point

1780
02:21:54,120 --> 02:22:03,420
into an amusement park
none of which was part of the 2015

1781
02:21:59,760 --> 02:22:10,740
draft master plan which was supposed to
be the Central Study point or the Eis

1782
02:22:09,000 --> 02:22:16,140
there's nothing in the public record to
indicate what took place between the end

1783
02:22:12,600 --> 02:22:19,439
of 2017 and 2020 when a new and
completely different master plan was

1784
02:22:17,819 --> 02:22:24,600
published
I don't think many people knew if this

1785
02:22:21,359 --> 02:22:29,819
plan's existence before hhft started
promoting it in 2021

1786
02:22:27,180 --> 02:22:35,460
yet it was at that time that the town
adopted in its new 2030 comprehensive

1787
02:22:32,520 --> 02:22:39,380
plan and action item to support the
Hudson Highlands field Trail thank you

1788
02:22:37,260 --> 02:22:39,380
Paul

1789
02:22:40,510 --> 02:22:48,229
[Applause]

1790
02:22:50,340 --> 02:22:56,520
foreign
would you like a response to that

1791
02:22:54,660 --> 02:22:58,819
yes
yes

1792
02:23:02,460 --> 02:23:10,260
Richard would you like to respond yeah I
would I think it's unfair to John to be

1793
02:23:07,740 --> 02:23:15,479
saddled with this you know supposition
that he has control over the Fjord Trail

1794
02:23:13,680 --> 02:23:20,460
um
that was during my tenure

1795
02:23:17,580 --> 02:23:24,840
those grants were given to the town for
studies when we were the grant

1796
02:23:22,260 --> 02:23:30,120
administrator at that time so the town
was acting essentially as a

1797
02:23:26,160 --> 02:23:34,620
Clearinghouse with akrf to do the
studies about the original master plan

1798
02:23:32,280 --> 02:23:39,660
now since then this is
this process has gone on and there have

1799
02:23:37,439 --> 02:23:44,939
been other studies and as was alluded to
there are several other studies pending

1800
02:23:41,580 --> 02:23:51,180
in the secret process so when you're
saying the town has control over the

1801
02:23:47,760 --> 02:23:57,000
project that's not true the town was an
administrator for a grant so that's the

1802
02:23:54,720 --> 02:24:01,800
fundamental truth there and the town was
fully reimbursed for every dollar that

1803
02:23:59,520 --> 02:24:08,420
was spent was no Pub No public money
spent

1804
02:24:04,020 --> 02:24:08,420
no absolutely not thank you

1805
02:24:10,319 --> 02:24:15,620
yes next person on the list John zubik

1806
02:24:29,720 --> 02:24:33,319
John I'm surprised

1807
02:24:36,500 --> 02:24:45,840
you want to start the clock
I'll tell you when ready go

1808
02:24:43,640 --> 02:24:48,979
but we're ready we're ready let's go
we're running out of time here

1809
02:24:52,280 --> 02:24:55,760
everybody can hear

1810
02:24:56,160 --> 02:25:01,080
that okay
um

1811
02:24:59,880 --> 02:25:08,420
when do I still don't know where to
start I've written about a half a dozen

1812
02:25:03,780 --> 02:25:08,420
different uh statements uh

1813
02:25:09,000 --> 02:25:13,979
since before Thanksgiving I've had
meetings almost every day on this after

1814
02:25:12,540 --> 02:25:18,420
March Madness
it's been meetings with people or groups

1815
02:25:16,319 --> 02:25:20,840
every day being conflicted is to put it
mildly

1816
02:25:22,439 --> 02:25:29,340
someone in this room was in this room
right now asked me which which uh which

1817
02:25:27,300 --> 02:25:34,979
side it was on and
I'm a team player I don't profess to be

1818
02:25:31,859 --> 02:25:41,160
on sides I'm trying to move this forward
so I'm not on a side I'm very conflicted

1819
02:25:39,479 --> 02:25:47,450
um I'm seeing a therapist for the second
time in my life every two weeks

1820
02:25:43,910 --> 02:25:47,450
[Applause]

1821
02:25:48,960 --> 02:25:54,540
um
the first time I had to see the

1822
02:25:52,380 --> 02:25:58,560
therapist was when I got married to my
wonderful wife the second time

1823
02:25:56,819 --> 02:26:02,700
well can you decide this is a serious
impact statement in endangerment

1824
02:26:00,780 --> 02:26:07,740
endangerment across the spectrum of Life
as we know it around here is in many

1825
02:26:04,740 --> 02:26:11,939
ways of positive declaration translation
not good for the neighborhood

1826
02:26:09,660 --> 02:26:15,300
somewhat like the last hurricane that
came through that killed a lot of deer

1827
02:26:13,380 --> 02:26:19,680
and introduced more weeds for us to go
through

1828
02:26:16,800 --> 02:26:24,300
to cut to the chase right now I urge
parks to truly be the lead agency and

1829
02:26:22,140 --> 02:26:28,979
issue a work stop order on this somewhat
ill-conceived project

1830
02:26:25,859 --> 02:26:32,819
I'm upset that uh Breakneck was
segmented and the whole project should

1831
02:26:31,260 --> 02:26:37,620
have been considered and they should not
proceed on uh with breaking as far as as

1832
02:26:35,700 --> 02:26:42,720
far as I believe so I urge parks to put
a stop recorder on this if they can

1833
02:26:40,340 --> 02:26:47,640
oprhp the office of parks recreation and
historic preservation some parks please

1834
02:26:45,899 --> 02:26:52,020
put some emphasis on the preservation
piece that's surely in their our mission

1835
02:26:50,819 --> 02:26:56,700
statement
around around here

1836
02:26:54,300 --> 02:27:00,120
I'm not sure how many times
the well-meaning designers have been

1837
02:26:58,439 --> 02:27:07,080
back at the get-go on the drawing board
but it's time to again to

1838
02:27:02,899 --> 02:27:11,100
re-visit that and go back to square one
um I know for a fact

1839
02:27:09,120 --> 02:27:17,880
this is a fact that some of the partners
that have been listed by hhft claim to

1840
02:27:15,120 --> 02:27:23,399
have had input from on this project
through a steering committee has been a

1841
02:27:21,060 --> 02:27:28,979
name only I've been involved with those
20 point for since this Inception about

1842
02:27:25,859 --> 02:27:34,859
40 years now and I was waiting and
looking for the invitation to uh hit my

1843
02:27:32,580 --> 02:27:40,500
two cents in and it never never came we
had Representatives but was never going

1844
02:27:37,380 --> 02:27:45,540
that way always came this way what this
sketchy proposed plan was going to be so

1845
02:27:42,960 --> 02:27:49,830
now recently thank you John
to be continued thank you

1846
02:27:48,479 --> 02:27:54,060
we're going to take one more
[Applause]

1847
02:27:52,260 --> 02:27:56,840
okay we have two minutes left John
schinemann

1848
02:28:00,180 --> 02:28:06,300
facing all of us
um

1849
02:28:03,540 --> 02:28:11,220
I do not live in the village I live up
on Jake Hawks in phillipstown so my

1850
02:28:09,899 --> 02:28:15,780
perspective is a little bit different
but

1851
02:28:13,319 --> 02:28:19,319
all the concerns I share we are
overloaded already and I think one of

1852
02:28:18,120 --> 02:28:24,960
the things which they've said which
hasn't resonated is that the problem is

1853
02:28:22,260 --> 02:28:28,560
here now whether this gets approved or
not we have a huge over visitation

1854
02:28:27,359 --> 02:28:32,460
problem
now

1855
02:28:30,120 --> 02:28:38,220
The Fjord Trail
is an attempt to deflect some of that

1856
02:28:35,580 --> 02:28:42,439
traffic off of Fair Street 90 and all
the rest of the things give another

1857
02:28:39,420 --> 02:28:48,240
option for people who are already coming
they're already here

1858
02:28:44,819 --> 02:28:52,920
to get to the trails now I have some
specific concerns one without a traffic

1859
02:28:51,060 --> 02:28:57,420
study to have even this level of
discussion is sort of stupid honestly

1860
02:28:55,080 --> 02:29:00,960
because we're talking Spanish if we
don't know what proposals are out there

1861
02:28:59,399 --> 02:29:05,760
or even know what they're going to be
saying are the criteria

1862
02:29:03,000 --> 02:29:10,319
but let's talk about the trail itself
I'm a cyclist I've stopped cycling in

1863
02:29:08,580 --> 02:29:13,740
this area because it's just too bloody
dangerous

1864
02:29:11,220 --> 02:29:18,540
it's overloaded the drivers are texting
there are no shoulders on roads so I am

1865
02:29:16,500 --> 02:29:23,280
delighted that there's a rail trail
somewhere that I don't have to drive 45

1866
02:29:20,460 --> 02:29:29,580
minutes to get to however
if you are constructing this thing to

1867
02:29:26,160 --> 02:29:36,620
accommodate everybody I don't see how a
12 foot 10 foot or 14 foot wide Trail is

1868
02:29:34,080 --> 02:29:41,100
going to accommodate cyclists
pedestrians who are walking to hiking

1869
02:29:39,479 --> 02:29:46,080
trails or walking to some of the other
venues people with disabilities now I

1870
02:29:44,280 --> 02:29:50,520
worked in Mass tourism over at West
Point I ran the public tourism program

1871
02:29:47,939 --> 02:29:53,520
over there I am very familiar with ADA
requirements even though they don't have

1872
02:29:51,899 --> 02:29:58,260
to follow them
but I don't see how that limited space

1873
02:29:56,340 --> 02:30:02,340
is going to accommodate all these
different

1874
02:29:59,240 --> 02:30:10,020
uh audiences that you have that you're
projecting are going to use it cyclists

1875
02:30:05,100 --> 02:30:14,700
alone on a two-way 10 foot wide that is
very narrow that's like one cycle going

1876
02:30:12,180 --> 02:30:18,720
one way one cycle the other where are
all the rest of the people going to be

1877
02:30:16,500 --> 02:30:23,640
and I'd also like to put another comment
out there what are you going to do about

1878
02:30:20,760 --> 02:30:28,740
electronic bicycles because if you allow
things to go 30 miles an hour on that

1879
02:30:26,100 --> 02:30:39,469
there will be bloodshed
enjoy thank you

1880
02:30:30,520 --> 02:30:39,469
[Applause]

1881
02:30:40,859 --> 02:30:47,580
that'll be it for the public comment we
are now going to get a closing statement

1882
02:30:45,359 --> 02:30:50,340
Chris
and

1883
02:30:48,840 --> 02:30:55,200
just like to say on behalf of all the
all the words we greatly appreciate

1884
02:30:52,200 --> 02:30:58,500
everybody coming out tonight to tell us
your opinions your views your thoughts

1885
02:30:57,060 --> 02:31:04,620
and your concerns
we greatly appreciate Hudson Islands

1886
02:31:01,620 --> 02:31:08,040
viewer Trail and the parks near state
parks for coming I know that this is

1887
02:31:06,300 --> 02:31:11,120
very difficult we really appreciate you
being willing to do so

1888
02:31:16,979 --> 02:31:26,040
can I get a motion to adjourn for the
town board please

1889
02:31:21,420 --> 02:31:30,140
second all in favor and for the village
of Cold Spring a motion to adjourn

1890
02:31:27,899 --> 02:31:34,680
please
second tweets all in favor

1891
02:31:33,540 --> 02:31:39,660
aye
and for the village

1892
02:31:36,359 --> 02:31:47,180
for the village of Nelsonville can I get
a motion to adjourn the meeting

1893
02:31:42,680 --> 02:31:51,620
promotion Maria second Dave thank you
[Music]

1894
02:31:55,680 --> 02:31:57,920
foreign