[0:02] I guess they want to tell us that
they've discovered that the new police
[0:06] station is being built to an engine
burial ground. Well, actually they have
[0:12] already discovered
[0:16] » you don't know that when they started
[clears throat]
[0:22] It's been four years.
[0:32] [clears throat]
[laughter]
[0:42] And then what they said was [laughter]
clearing
[0:49] took.
[0:58] » Do we have to wait till 7:15?
[1:02] » Yes.
[1:09] Okay, [laughter]
we're close enough where we can wait a
[1:12] minute or two.
[1:25] Is there
[1:48] [laughter]
[2:05] I don't
[2:13] want to go down.
[2:18] Let's
[2:23] go for
[2:46] Let's
[2:56] [clears throat] just
[3:13] have a couple minutes.
>> [laughter]
[3:39] » All right.
[3:44] Thank you.
[4:09] » Thanks, Donald. Um, I'd like to to
welcome everybody out to city council
[4:15] this evening. Uh, we started 15 minutes
late
[4:19] um for a reason. Uh,
not very often I'm lost for words, but
[4:25] I'll try to find them and hopefully they
they sound correct and come across
[4:29] correct. Um
um we had a tragedy,
[4:34] I don't know how to ever put it, a
tragedy um [clears throat] occur this
[4:38] weekend where um
[4:42] where we lost a member of our community
and uh
[4:47] our local and we're lucky we didn't lose
two people. Um,
[4:53] our officers
[4:57] put their lives on the line every day
that they go out [clears throat]
[5:00] on the job to protect our community. And
they have to make some really really
[5:06] difficult decisions and
um very quick decisions and in
[5:11] situations that they're put in. and and
uh
[5:15] we had a chance as a council to go meet
with the wives of uh of our officers for
[5:22] a few minutes and hopefully provide them
a little bit of support and um and
[5:27] direction I can
um
[5:32] I have a child and I and I never know if
she's going to wake up the next morning
[5:37] or not uh just because of some of her
health issues she's got going on. But I
[5:42] can't imagine, and I know the anxiety
and the
[5:48] uncertainty that that puts in my body
all the time, but I can't imagine
[5:54] um the officer, the wives of our
officers, uh sending their loved one out
[5:59] the door um for their shift and and not
knowing how that shift is going to end
[6:04] and what's going to happen.
And uh
[6:09] we as a council just want them to know
how much we love and care and support
[6:15] and believe in what they do. And um
and in the same sense, I hope that we
[6:22] have some grace and and love for
the individual that was lost in our
[6:27] community. I think it was said really
well on [clears throat] on uh Facebook.
[6:32] probably one of the the few things I
think that was said well is where
[6:36] someone said, you know, there's there's
family members involved in um
[6:41] um
to give the children in in that
[6:45] situation some some grace and and some
love and and those kind of things. And
[6:50] so, um,
anyways, it it just really puts things
[6:56] in in check in reality of of what how
fast things can turn and change. And I
[7:03] said it over there and I'll say it in
here in this room.
[7:07] Um,
[7:10] Chief Morgan has done an amazing job of
preparing um, our police department
[7:19] uh, for the future and for all sorts of
different scenarios. Um, due to his
[7:24] forward thinking many years in advance,
um, the things that were put in place to
[7:30] deal with the situation that you never
hope to ever come. um he had quickly had
[7:36] things in place as far as services uh to
help with his officers and to help
[7:41] within the community and do those
different things. And that's one of many
[7:46] examples that I can that I can tell you
as far as what I just seen with his
[7:50] forward thinking and his vision, a clear
division vision of what Nephi City
[7:57] Police Department needs to be and the
level of professionalism it can be. and
[8:01] and I'm thankful for his for his
leadership all through all these years.
[8:06] Uh with that said, I will uh we'll go
ahead and convene into regular meeting.
[8:10] Um Tate will offer offer the prayer and
then Miss Nephi
[8:16] will will have their have their chance.
I'm sorry. We'll do the pledge of
[8:21] allegiance. Got to get the brain going.
Okay.
[8:26] [clears throat and cough]
Our
[8:31] father in heaven, we come to the ine
gratitude this day for the opportunity
[8:35] to meet and gather as friends and
community members. And we pray for
[8:44] this community, especially at this time,
those who are grieving and dealing with
[8:48] loss, those who are
dealing with mental health issues or
[8:55] issues out of their control. We pray for
grace to be upon them. Father, we are
[9:01] grateful for the government and this
opportunity that we have to serve and
[9:06] work.
And we we pray that we can
[9:12] be a team and do what's best for the
people of our community and
[9:17] in line with thy will. And we are again
grateful for
[9:21] this place that we live and call home,
the beauty surrounding us. We're
[9:25] grateful for the rain and the weather
that we've received to support those in
[9:30] our community. And
again, we are praying for those who are
[9:35] hurt or suffering at this time that
their burdens may be lightened. And we
[9:40] know that that can be through thy son,
through Jesus Christ. And we pray in his
[9:47] name, Jesus Christ. Amen.
Okay, you guys ready?
[9:56] » [clears throat]
>> Repeat after me. I aliance to the flag
[10:02] of the United States of America and to
the republic for which it stands. One
[10:08] nation under God, indivisible with
liberty and justice for all.
[10:13] » Do you guys want will you introduce
yourself and just kind of talk a little
[10:16] bit about your platforms and what you
have going on?
[10:20] » Yes, of course.
All right. Um, I am Harper Care and I am
[10:27] Miss Nefine 2026. I'm glad to be here.
Glad to have said the pledge of
[10:33] allegiance for our city.
>> Thank you.
[10:37] » I'm Ken Ingram. I'm your first tenant.
My platform is about it's to help
[10:41] military families cope with deployment.
>> My name is Maddie Ashford. I'm your
[10:47] second attendant and I just love Bey and
I'm happy to be here. [laughter]
[10:52] Okay. Thank you guys.
>> Appreciate all you guys do. Thank you so
[10:55] much.
>> Um, Chief, am I turning the time over to
[10:59] you or Jace? Is it?
>> Sure.
[11:03] » Okay.
>> Yeah.
[11:04] » Uh, would you introduce our new
officers?
[11:10] » So, go ahead and stand up, fellas. So,
we've recently had the opportunity to do
[11:16] some testing with uh all of our command
staff and our city councilman Callaway.
[11:24] Um, and we're excited to have these two
new officers
[11:29] with our department. Um,
we have Mitch Bailey and Ryan Costa. And
[11:36] I'll let each of them explain to you who
they are and what they're all about.
[11:43] So, I'm Mitch Bailey. Um, I have seven
years in law enforcement. Uh, I worked
[11:48] at Utah County and then at, uh, Salt
Lake City before coming down here. My
[11:54] wife is a Nephi native. She loves it
down here. We wanted to be closer to
[11:58] family. And I'm just excited to uh
excited to be working in an area that I
[12:06] wanted to work in, in a great area with
great people. So,
[12:09] » where are you from originally and who's
your wife?
[12:11] » Uh, so I
originally I mean, uh, I've got roots in
[12:18] San Pete County. Uh, but my, uh, like my
grandma grew up in Fountain Green, but,
[12:24] uh, I was born in California. Uh, I grew
up in Maryland and I moved to Provo when
[12:29] I was in high school. So, I've been I've
been in Utah for about 15 years. So,
[12:34] cool.
>> Yeah.
[12:35] » Then you said your wife's from here. So,
>> yeah, my wife's from here. Uh if if you
[12:38] know the hairs, my wife is their oldest.
So
[12:42] » yeah, they got the machine shop just
walk over.
[12:46] » And once upon a time she was Miss Nephi.
[laughter]
[12:52] [clears throat]
>> Awesome. Well, I guess I'll stand over
[12:55] here.
>> I'm Costa. Um I'm just a joy person of
[13:00] joy and fun. I came out here to just
have fun and get to be in the small
[13:04] town. I got tired of the city. Um, I
lived all over the West Coast. My dad's
[13:09] in the Navy. Um, I'm a Navy brat. My
family's mostly in the military. Um,
[13:16] yeah. Feel free to come up and ask me
questions if you ever see me out and
[13:20] about. I love to chat. Um, yeah. I'm
just here to have a good time.
[13:24] » So, thank you for welcoming me.
>> Do you [clears throat] have a wife?
[13:27] » I do. I do have a lovely wife. She's a
nurse, a labor and delivery nurse. She's
[13:32] awesome. I couldn't do this without her.
Um, and I have three kids. Um, they're
[13:38] four and under. And I'll just leave it
at that. [laughter]
[13:43] » Tell them where you come from.
>> Um, I worked at Pleasant Grove before
[13:47] here for almost 5 years. Um, so a lot
bigger than here. Um, it was fun. I
[13:54] enjoyed it. Um, I live in Santa Quinn,
so uh, I thought to work closer to home
[13:59] would be uh, ideal. And so far it's been
great for me at least. Um, I've had lots
[14:04] of fun the last week, so hopefully it
continues.
[14:08] » I know you guys have been hard at work.
I've had the opportunity to meet both of
[14:12] you already. So, [laughter]
[14:16] » I'll let you
say I've seen you out with [laughter]
[14:21] » it in the police.
[14:26] » That's top secret. [laughter]
>> All right, hold on.
[14:31] » I got it.
I'm holding mine.
[14:35] I got
[14:40] [laughter]
[14:42] » Yeah.
>> I'll be looking for a motion to ratify
[14:46] the hiring.
>> I'll second.
[14:49] » Okay. Jeremy with a second.
>> All in favor?
[14:53] » With the first.
>> Any opposed?
[14:56] » Motion passes. Thanks.
>> Um, consent agend consent agenda.
[15:03] » Wait to hear if we
[laughter]
[15:07] figured they had enough eyes, so they
were out of here. Uh, we'll move into
[15:11] the consent agenda um for approval and
minutes
[15:16] and claims.
[15:22] » [laughter]
[15:26] » I'll make a motion that we approve the
minutes from council meeting 818 2026
[15:32] and the approval of claims I'll
>> second
[15:36] count with the second all in favor
>> I any opposed
[15:42] » motion passes public comment uh we have
one individual that is signed up uh Mr.
[15:49] Armstrong.
>> I've never done this before. Am I
[15:54] supposed to
>> So the way uh we'll give you three
[15:57] minutes uh to present what you want to
present the council listen to what your
[16:01] ideas are and then uh un we'll talk with
the staff and then give them direction
[16:05] to how to address it.
>> Okay.
[16:08] » Okay. Travis will be your time.
[laughter]
[16:11] » I got Thank you. Uh my name is Dane
Armstrong. I'm a Nephi resident. Moved
[16:17] here five years ago from Idaho. Uh,
[clears throat]
[16:20] I've been talking with Shauna uh for the
last few weeks and met her once several
[16:26] calls over the phone. Great employee by
the way. Make sure she stays around. Um,
[16:31] I am not a developer, but I would like
to formally request the council to
[16:37] review
uh part of the city code. Um, with
[16:41] Shauna's advice, I printed out uh and
would like to pass along the city Nephi
[16:47] city code. like passi
city code for internal
[16:53] accessory dwelling units
uh
[16:58] that uh as you as you know was adopted
years back to comply with state code.
[17:06] Uh, also the second copy is the recently
passed Utah SB284
[17:15] passed in the last legislative session
in the state uh prohibiting cities from
[17:20] prohibiting detached accessory dwelling
units in certain classifications. Nephi
[17:26] is not in that classification quite yet,
but uh I believe that detached DADUs
[17:36] would be a benefit to our community. Uh
there's a lot of people that struggle
[17:41] with affordability. Uh whether they're
multigenerational families, new families
[17:46] that can't afford homes. Um,
[clears throat]
[17:48] selfishly, I would like to build
uh an apartment or my accessory or my
[17:56] detached building. I just built a home
up on 8th East, 800 East next to Riley
[18:02] Park's home, uh, by the high school. And
um I have a accessory
[18:08] [cough and laughter] a detached building
there that I'd like to build an
[18:11] apartment in for my mother-in-law who
was in an auto pedestrian accident years
[18:16] back. She is now single and can live
alone but struggles. Um
[18:23] right now it's not in the city code. So,
with Shauna's advice, um, I'd like to
[18:29] formally request that we look at this
latest state legislation and adopt it
[18:34] into the city code if possible to allow
for detached accessory dwelling units.
[18:40] Um, [clears throat] as Shauna directed,
I think if we in the in the state code,
[18:46] the funds we protect for lot size,
setbacks, parking, building size, fire
[18:53] safety, as well as, uh, prohibiting
shortterm rentals. Um, it
[18:59] [clears throat] would be a very great
blessing for our community. Thank you.
[19:04] » Thank you. Thank you. Still got nine
seconds if you want. [laughter]
[19:08] Not bad for your first time.
Okay. Um, seeing no other public
[19:15] comment,
we will move on uh to planning items.
[19:23] So, I know we had a pretty full agenda
last meeting and you had a ton of
[19:27] information thrown at you about varying
subjects. Um,
[19:31] so I know Shauna did a really good job
presenting the uh change or or a
[19:38] proposal that's being
you know pushed before you from the
[19:43] planning commission um on our combined
use to zone and changing the density
[19:51] um in that zone from the uh six units
per acre to eight units per acre. Um,
[19:58] and she I think even put together a a
density calculator that hopefully you
[20:02] got a chance to kind of play around with
and and uh plug in some different
[20:06] numbers and see what you thought. But um
we did not have a lot of opportunity to
[20:10] do some followup on that uh presentation
and and I figured it would be good to
[20:15] give you some time to digest what was uh
thrown at you at that meeting and u come
[20:21] back and and ask for some followup on um
your thoughts and and uh what was
[20:27] presented by Shauna and uh and if you
want to make any adjustments, changes,
[20:33] tweaks to was what was put forward. This
would affect all of the CU2 zone and
[20:40] then that would uh be something you'll
want to keep in mind whenever you
[20:44] reszone something to a CU2. We would
have requests I'm sure in the future for
[20:50] changing the zone and that would be
something you'll want to keep in mind
[20:53] when when you do approve a reszone that
that density change would be part of
[20:58] that. Um, our CU2, just a little history
on that, of course, was uh created to
[21:04] allow for some commercial, but we
focused mainly on residential. And so,
[21:10] we think this is a good fit for that
combined use zone. Um and we are
[21:15] strategically using the CO2 zone along
the um main street area and the corridor
[21:21] here to uh change traffic patterns and
to try and prevent I think what we see
[21:27] in other communities where their main
streets end up becoming kind of um one
[21:33] long strip of commercial property and
that tends to lend itself to high
[21:39] traffic volumes all at the same time of
the day. um and makes it difficult for
[21:45] uh transportation purposes. And so we
are trying to to prevent those kinds of
[21:50] things from happening in the future. And
we think this sort of what we call candy
[21:54] striping approach of of uh certain areas
of CO2 and encouraging residential will
[21:59] help do that sort of offset traffic
patterns that we see in commercial with
[22:04] some residential and uh keep our main
street a little more free uh for
[22:09] commuting. So, I just want to get
feedback from the council on what was
[22:13] presented, answer any questions that we
can and um see how you'd like to move
[22:18] forward.
>> I like it. So, the CU1,
[22:22] it's kind of the opposite, correct?
Where it's more focused on businesses
[22:27] and a little bit of limited residential.
>> Yes. Still a still a mixed use, still
[22:31] like CO2, but you're correct. It focuses
more on commercial.
[22:35] » So, I I actually really like this. I
mean, I remember when the original thing
[22:39] when you guys were talking about candy
striping, and I mean, after going
[22:43] through some other cities, and I'm not
going to name names to make them feel
[22:47] [clears throat] bad, there are some that
it is just so clogged all the way
[22:50] through. Um, and we we have to find ways
for people to have housing. [snorts] I
[22:55] mean, we plain and simple, it's not just
Nephi. This is a a Utah problem and
[23:00] really nationwide, right? there it is
just hard for young people um that have
[23:06] young families to to find spaces. So I I
think I I like the density idea and then
[23:13] I really
um I don't know I I totally lost my
[23:20] thought as I was going Oh my other
thought I actually really like I know
[23:24] we're past the public comment side but I
like what Mr. Armstrong brought brought
[23:28] up um because I I do think more of these
are going to be probably family members
[23:34] or you're going to be really careful who
you're letting in your own backyard.
[23:39] » So I I do think that again housing is
just something that is very it's at the
[23:44] forefront of my mind. You know, I'm I
guess because now I'm a father of
[23:50] college kids, it's only a few years
before they're going to need to be
[23:54] finding a place, right? And so, um,
anyways, I think that we definitely
[23:59] should look at this. I and I really like
the calculator. I can tell that they put
[24:03] a lot of time into that, but there was
just a little I I think if we can just
[24:08] make sure that there's no ambiguity that
it will um it can just be a very simple
[24:14] calculation. I'd love the calculator,
but I just want to make sure that, you
[24:18] know, it doesn't leave any doubt and
things. I I think when Mr. Carlton was
[24:22] here and we were kind talking back and
forth. I could see how there could be
[24:26] interpretation
uh multiple ways and I'd like to just
[24:29] make sure that we're as tight as can be
on the interpretation of the code that
[24:36] thank you.
[24:40] » I I really don't have anything else to
add. I I I you know I echo what Travis
[24:45] said. I you know and I've I've been in
favor of it for pretty much since the
[24:49] get-go and I I I still feel that way. So
[laughter]
[24:55] it was clear clearly explained and uh I
would say they wrote it as well and I
[25:00] think I think Sean and the rest have
done a job but explain it to us explain
[25:05] to the community.
>> Um yeah it's good with me
[25:12] [laughter]
>> last everyone already said
[25:15] » making this easy.
Um what we will do then is we'll put
[25:19] together an ordinance and have that
ready for you at the next meeting. Um
[25:24] where we can adopt that for the whole
zone um and uh have that ready for
[25:30] action.
>> Okay.
[25:33] » Anything else there?
>> Okay. Um item number eight.
[25:39] So, uh we do have uh Marcus our
[clears throat] um financial advisor
[25:44] online and uh he has uh along with bond
council put together this um resolution.
[25:51] Uh I think you guys have been down this
road before uh adopting a parameters
[25:56] resolution. This is typically something
you do uh right before a a bond
[26:01] issuance. Um and we've done this with
sales tax bonds which I think you were
[26:05] all on council when we did that. And the
parameters resolution does exactly that.
[26:10] It sets the parameters for what you
would expect an eventual bond issuance
[26:14] to be. Um meaning it sets limits. It
does not mean that you will uh accept um
[26:22] the interest rate that's you know put in
the resolution or the bond amount that's
[26:26] in the resolution. These are just caps
or limits uh that we will not go beyond
[26:31] or ceilings you could say. Um and so, uh
we know that we have some sewer projects
[26:37] that are coming up. In fact, there's one
underway right now in the Nepal Heights
[26:40] neighborhood. Um and we have some other
projects that will be coming up, um for
[26:44] the sewer. And and the important part of
a parameters resolution is that it
[26:49] allows some of those expenses that have
been incurred. I think it's you can
[26:53] correct me if I'm wrong, Marcus, 60 days
prior to the adoption of a parameters
[26:57] resolution are allowed to be bonded for.
Um, so anything that we've spent up two
[27:03] months prior to this would still be
eligible when we go to do a bond
[27:08] issuance and we can reimburse those
expenses. Uh, is that correct, Marcus?
[27:13] » Yeah, Seth, that you you nailed it on
the head there. That's okay. Exactly
[27:17] what it's there for. But also too, just
just so everyone's aware, as Seth
[27:21] mentioned, that that really is I think
the probably the most important part of
[27:24] the parameters today is if you don't
adopt a parameters resolution, which
[27:29] also has a reimbursement resolution
involved in it, um what happens is then
[27:34] you can't reimburse yourself with
taxexempt proceeds if you wanted to go
[27:38] back to. So, this is really just kind of
setting a line in the sand. Um, we can,
[27:43] you know, use this resolution up the
next 18 months as the city decides, you
[27:47] know, what expenses they may want to
reimburse themselves for, but it allows
[27:51] you to do it on a taxexempt basis so you
can get the most uh or the best tax
[27:56] rates available at that time. Um, if you
go if you don't have this and you try to
[28:00] do it, then you would have to do it as a
taxable, which would be a higher
[28:03] interest rate down the road. So it it
does just give you a lot of flexibility
[28:07] moving forward with no requirement to
issue bonds or issue even up to the
[28:11] amount that [clears throat] would be in
the parameters if the city decided not
[28:15] to. So I know there's a fairly high
total or amount uh a ceiling a debt
[28:20] ceiling or a bond ceiling in the
parameters resolution of I think seven
[28:24] and a half million. What'll actually
determine what that number is is the
[28:28] cost of our projects, the bondability of
our sewer fund, uh which are going to be
[28:33] really determined by your rate structure
and a rate plan going forward. And then
[28:39] um uh and just what we receive kind of
what we think we can get in in the
[28:44] market. So, um the these are just
different uh things that will really
[28:48] dictate what we can borrow and and we'll
have more information about all of those
[28:53] things coming up. Um, but we know that
those are forthcoming and so we're just
[28:57] trying to get this done so we can make
sure we're covered that 60 days prior.
[29:02] And then uh we will be coming to you
similar to what we did oh
[29:08] probably almost 10 years ago with the
water plan or with the water uh project
[29:12] that we had done. Uh we put together a
11-year plan for our rates that would
[29:18] help us pay back the the bonds that we
took out at that time for that project.
[29:24] Um, and so right now our our rates are
around I think 12 or $12 or something
[29:29] like that per month on a residential lot
for our sewer. So we will need to kind
[29:34] of do some sort of plan to adjust those
to meet that debt service uh as we
[29:39] expand our sewer facilities and also
repair uh older older things. And so uh
[29:45] we were fortunate to get a couple good
projects done this year just out of fund
[29:49] balance alone. Um, so the Nebo Heights
project is underway as I mentioned. And
[29:54] then we also, uh, replaced that sewer
line under the runway at the airport.
[29:58] Uh, and that was successful and that's
finished. And so that that gives me a
[30:03] lot of peace of mind as they are now,
uh, repaving the runway and we'll put
[30:07] brand new asphalt over that uh, line. I
feel a lot better [laughter] than than
[30:14] uh just sort of hoping and guessing that
that line will hold. Um, and it was I
[30:18] think in fairly decent shape, but I
think this is just a better thing to do.
[30:22] We we rarely uh strip that runway and uh
down down to the the base course. And so
[30:28] that's what that's what we were doing in
this project. And I thought if we're
[30:31] ever going to do this, this would be the
time. So that that was all done and and
[30:35] we got a good bid on that and it was a
very well done project.
[30:39] » You put in a lot of work for that too,
Seth. So thank you orchestrating all of
[30:43] that to make it work. So
>> yeah. Yeah, it kind of all Yeah, it all
[30:47] kind of came together and we got a very
good company and and they did it right
[30:51] on time. Um, it worked out good. We did
have a couple complaints from our
[30:56] airport users, but we got through that
and uh [clears throat] and uh anyway,
[31:00] we're we're on on course for for the
project that's going on right now. So
[31:04] anyway, we're we're recommending uh
approval of resolution 09-01-206,
[31:11] which is a parameters resolution for our
future sewer bonds. And then we'll we'll
[31:16] be coming to you with more details.
There'll still be approvals that you'll
[31:19] have to give before we actually borrow
money. We'll have to have a public
[31:23] hearing and other things that are
required by law before you do any
[31:27] borrowing. Um and then it will just help
us determine what those costs are for
[31:31] some of these projects um that we have
coming up. So Marcus, am I missing
[31:36] anything that you want to add?
[clears throat]
[31:39] » No, no, I think you hit it just so the
the max parameters would be the 7.5
[31:43] million. So not to exceed 6 and a half%
interest rate up to 32 years with a 2%
[31:50] discount. And we did the 32 years in
case there is some state financing
[31:54] available. We wanted to be able to
potentially pursue that to see if
[31:58] there's any lowinterest loans available
for some of this financing. So, we're
[32:02] still exploring all those options and as
Seth mentioned, we'll come back to you
[32:06] with more details as uh we kind of
understand some of the different
[32:10] projects and amounts moving forward.
>> Was the water project USDA?
[32:15] » Yes.
>> Yeah.
[32:15] » And was it a four-year?
>> Yes.
[32:17] » Okay. But what we did on that one is we
we we uh structured our rate plan such
[32:24] that we can bring in enough to pay that
off in like year 25. Um one of the
[32:30] problems with the 40-year loan is that
uh the infrastructure is ready to be
[32:34] replaced before you pay off the loan and
we didn't want that. So we wanted to pay
[32:38] the loan off early and that's how that's
that's the way our rate structure is
[32:42] formed. and uh we've subscribed to a
really cool uh service and we're kind of
[32:47] trying it out on the sewer fund. It
wasn't really a whole lot of money and
[32:50] it actually creates the rate plan for us
once you plug in your budget and your
[32:55] capital projects and everything else. It
allows you to do some forecasting and
[32:59] and I'll have to show you tracks I think
it um anyway allows for that rate plan
[33:04] to be done inhouse and so we'll show
that to you when um we we uh we put that
[33:11] all together. It's kind of like a
spreadsheet on steroids. So, I'm really
[33:13] excited to [laughter] take you through
that. But, um, and we may expand it to
[33:17] other utilities if this works out really
well, which I [clears throat] think it
[33:21] will. So, um, anyway, any questions on
that?
[33:27] [laughter]
>> Okay. Looking for a motion to resolution
[33:30] then?
Make the motion that we approve
[33:35] resolution 09-01-2026
[33:39] parameters resolution.
>> I'll second that. Okay. Call the second.
[33:45] Is this a roll call?
>> Yes.
[33:48] » Chari.
>> Jeremy.
[33:52] » Hi.
>> Traps.
[33:53] » Hi.
>> Okay.
[33:57] Passes.
>> I will send that to electronic.
[34:00] » Okay. So, Just out of curiosity, does
anyone
[34:05] » Sorry, Marcus.
>> What did he say?
[34:10] » Okay.
>> Oh, thanks for everyone. Appreciate your
[34:12] time. We'll see you on Thursday, Mayor.
>> Okay. See you then.
[34:16] » I was just curious. Has anyone ever made
a motion and then when you did a roll
[34:19] call, they say nay? Like in the history
of that?
[34:24] » Yeah. If they're the ones that made the
motion,
[34:25] » if they are the ones that made the
motion, [laughter] did they ever say I
[34:28] was just curious.
>> Yes. in the history of
[34:32] » Yes.
>> So, someone made a motion and then they
[34:35] » and then they voted against it and I was
surprised that happened.
[34:39] » Yeah.
[34:43] » No, we didn't make the motion though.
>> Oh, he second it though. Somebody I know
[34:47] but they
they had Yeah, [snorts] someone had to
[34:51] second it. Yeah.
>> So, is it just so you can bring it to a
[34:54] vote? Is that what I guess
>> that the only uh motivation I would
[34:58] think is if they knew that it was going
to be a no vote and they just wanted to
[35:02] end the discussion,
>> they may make a motion to vote on it.
[35:06] » I was just curious on that. I never that
would make sense.
[35:10] » I would like it to
>> little history lesson, [laughter]
[35:14] » but it's happened more than once. It
happened with something but it's
[35:17] happened in the past, too.
>> Cool.
[35:19] » And I've been surprised at [laughter]
>> all right. the administrative updates.
[35:26] » So, just a reminder about the employee
appreciation party next week. Uh that'll
[35:31] be what our typical work session night
is, but we'll we'll be having a dinner
[35:35] instead. So, uh it's at the park just
like we normally have it. Um and then
[35:40] council will be there just about an hour
beforehand if you can. Uh so, it's uh
[35:45] scheduled for 6:30. Be there 5:30 set
up.
[35:50] Um, and then, uh, both, uh, Mayor Cely
and I and Chief Morgan, you left, but,
[35:56] uh, we'll be heading up to the CIB, the
community impact board meeting on
[36:01] Thursday. Uh, normally, I think this is
kind of a half day meeting, and you can
[36:06] seek funding from that that board. We're
going up there for our police station.
[36:10] Uh luck of the draw, we picked a meeting
where about every city in Utah, it seems
[36:16] like decides to go to the community
impact board. There are 26 cities on the
[36:20] agenda and we're towards the latter end.
So we anticipate that'll just be a full
[36:26] day event. We have to be there at 8:30
for the staff meeting. Um and then we're
[36:33] probably not going to see the light of
day until 2 or 3 o'clock in the
[36:36] afternoon. [laughter] So
>> is that is that capital? Is that
[36:40] » It's up in uh South Salt Lake 13 South
or something.
[36:44] » Wear your home in the new jeans and
anything else to really make you look
[36:48] like Mayor will be presenting the
project.
[36:52] » We need to look as needy as possible.
[laughter]
[36:54] » I'd like to hear from elected officials
because the board is made up of elected
[36:57] officials. And so I do think um despite
the um the the numbers I feel like we've
[37:04] put together a good proposal and the
fact that you have gone through the pain
[37:08] and suffering of trying to do a property
tax adjustment to help pay for um the
[37:14] portion that we we need fund. I think
that that bot well. There's a lot of
[37:19] times you they I've seen cities go to
CIB and [snorts] basically want CIB to
[37:24] cover the entire cost with grant and
they don't really put any skin in the
[37:28] game and so CIB likes to see that you
have done something to try and fund that
[37:33] project yourselves. So I feel like we've
been in a good position to ask for this.
[37:37] uh police uh buildings aren't normally
on the high list, but uh um we've had
[37:44] some preliminary conversations with some
board members and I think there is some
[37:48] support for it there. I think we have a
little feather in our cap that we've got
[37:52] a multi- agency public safety complex
rather than just our own. Um and the UHP
[37:58] and the adult probation parole have also
decided to write uh support letters that
[38:03] we would then deliver to the CIB board
that day as well. So, we'll it'll be in
[38:09] the weekend update. See how things go.
But
[38:13] » you won't be able to listen in on that
at all.
[38:16] » I don't think I broadcast it, but it is
a public meeting. Um, and so if you're
[38:22] wanting to attend, it's on 13th about
13th South and State Street in
[38:29] » this will be this Thursday.
So, and I feel a little bad. Uh, Senator
[38:33] Owens will be at a chamber lunch that
day. I wish I could attend. Uh he's been
[38:37] a great representative for us and I uh I
kind of wish I could have attended that,
[38:42] but I think we're going to be there all
day.
[38:44] » Yeah.
>> So,
[38:47] anything else?
>> That's all I had for my update,
[38:51] » sir.
[38:55] Leslie,
>> no.
[38:59] » Okay. Actually, let me just say thanks
to everyone for getting me your
[39:03] certificates. You guys are awesome.
>> You're welcome. [laughter]
[39:10] » Um, I just wanted to follow up on one of
my last
[39:16] uh questions was about a stop sign on
200 North. If we've looked any further
[39:21] into that or what we can do.
>> So, that the street sign we're talking
[39:27] about in the work session. No, never
mind.
[39:31] » Um, let me find I haven't I haven't
asked Kyle if we've had a chance to do
[39:34] that yet. Okay.
>> Um, we also have been a little short
[39:37] staffed in our streets department.
>> Yeah,
[39:39] » we got one of them that's hunting in
Alaska. So,
[39:42] » nice.
>> Yeah, that was that was uh just want to
[39:45] follow up on that and then um just one
more shout out. Uh again, it's been
[39:50] discussed, but just thanking the the
families and the police officers and um
[39:54] the people who serve our community in
whatever way they do that. Um especially
[39:59] these police officers.
It's a thankless job. And so I just want
[40:03] to make sure that I am offering my
thanks uh for what they're doing. And um
[40:10] I'm grateful that this is kind of the
first time at least in my life or
[40:15] probably most that we've had anything
like this really happening. Um but it's
[40:20] not easy and I um I'm praying for the
families, all those involved. But
[40:27] I hope we as community members can
support them and uplift them rather than
[40:32] tear down. I feel like um it's easy to
tear down in in times like this and when
[40:38] there's things that are unknown. But I
just hope that we can uh give people
[40:41] some grace and understand that we're all
uh doing our best. So, but anyway, thank
[40:47] you to the they're not here anymore, but
to the police officers um also to the
[40:51] the sheriff um in the county sheriff
department. So, grateful for for all the
[40:56] support we have in our committee. Thank
you.
[41:00] » I really don't have anything. I do like
just want to echo what what Councilman
[41:05] Douglas has said. I think that that
really rings true and I I agree
[41:09] wholeheartedly with what he said, but
other than that, I don't have anything
[41:12] tonight.
>> Well, um yeah, definitely a huge thank
[41:18] you to the officers that of course put
their their lives on the line every
[41:23] single day for us, every shift. I'm sure
that was not anything that went through
[41:28] anyone's head that was going to happen
this this last weekend. Um, so that's
[41:33] why I hope people will fully support the
when they are saying they need this
[41:38] building and things for trainings and
for uh officer protection, for evidence
[41:43] protection, different things. Um, but
also I think that with CIB hopefully
[41:49] they will see because we're short
staffed and now we're even more short
[41:53] staffed while there's investigations and
stuff going on. We're trying to raise
[41:57] money for police station but also for
extra coverage and officers. So
[42:01] hopefully they can help us in some form
or fashion there. Um, something else I
[42:06] just wanted to bring up just with all
the Facebook stuff, it's not even just
[42:11] social media here locally. This has
become a nationwide thing and I just
[42:16] want to call for more civility from
people and and especially realize that
[42:22] elected officials aren't punching bags.
They're humans. I I promise you they are
[42:28] humans and they care. Um they're not all
out just to pad their pockets and all
[42:32] this garbage that I keep seeing out
there. And so I I just wanted to take a
[42:37] minute to just say I know every single
one of these up here that are serving
[42:41] with me and the staff and such, they
care very much about this community. Um
[42:48] we are not going to go about just
frivolously buying different things with
[42:53] taxpayer dollars. And and so I I want
people to just really know, hey, we have
[42:58] full-time jobs as well. We're human. uh
we have families and and so realize that
[43:05] yeah, we're not going to be perfect.
There's going to be mistakes. There'll
[43:08] be different things along the way, but
we're trying our best. Um
[43:12] but I I'm just grateful for these
people. And I also
[43:17] just wanted to take an opportunity now.
Um
[43:21] people will need to really think this
through and such, but next June is when
[43:27] you'll be able to put in for city
council. and I would urge people to run.
[43:33] Uh I will not be putting my name in
there. So that's why I'm doing a call
[43:37] for the community members to consider
that in June. So I'll be done December
[43:42] of 2027. I worked here for eight years
and then you know serving a term here.
[43:48] Uh it's I love my community. I just I
have a very taxing job and uh which I
[43:55] love and I I have a family that I love
and I I something had to give and so I'm
[44:00] going to continue to serve but I would
call anyone who is interested in this in
[44:06] June. I think it's June 1st through the
7th. Please put your hat in the ring to
[44:10] make a better place. Continue to carry
these things on. So anyways, that's all
[44:16] I have.
>> Thank you. Uh
[44:20] maybe just to well to build off that or
to re-emphasize I know we've talked
[44:25] about I think some of the stuff is
better understanding of what documents
[44:31] they're reading and how they're
interpreting the material. Um I I
[44:35] probably seen the same post as you did
and [clears throat] if the individual
[44:38] had clearly just looking looked above
and realized what that what the spending
[44:45] was associated with, it would have made
complete sense. And yet they interpret
[44:50] it totally different and thought it was
frivolous spending on our behalf. And in
[44:55] actuality, it was concessions for the
swimming pool where people could buy
[45:00] those particular items while they were
enjoying the pool. And and I and and so
[45:05] once again, I think it's just something
that that we need to do a better job of
[45:10] because somewhere along the line, people
just don't
[45:15] they just don't have that understanding
or knowledge. And tonight we're going to
[45:19] hear a little bit more from the youth
council idea and maybe that just starts
[45:24] with educating the next generation
because somewhere along the line
[45:29] understanding
local politics or local government has
[45:34] been lost on almost the whole generation
it seems. Um, and so I think when we
[45:41] talk about that tonight, developing some
ideas of of being able to educate better
[45:46] and do that or maybe we need to put out
the little videos like we talked about
[45:51] or those things because I was like I was
I was surprised that they were not
[45:56] associating things correctly. And so I
think Travis kind of alluded to that and
[46:00] hit on that a little bit. And I think at
the end of the day also if someone is
[46:04] willing just to pick up a phone um and
make that call or or ask the the people
[46:10] that know the answers to the question,
right? Um
[46:13] » what was your number again there?
[laughter]
[46:15] » 435 681 0333. I need more business cards
because I gave them all away to
[46:22] everybody that came. But I I I think of
uh I had an uncle pass away.
[46:26] » Used them.
>> What
[46:28] » have any of them used them? I've had a
few people call me and I've had a few
[46:32] people say, "Please come visit me in my
house." And I'm willing to do those
[46:35] things. I had an uncle pass away about a
month ago, but at his funeral, it was a
[46:40] really poignant uh comment that they
made. He um our family had a had had a
[46:45] ranch over in Chester for many years,
and that ranch had a had a pond where
[46:50] basically the horses were broken. You
could there was a little island in the
[46:54] center, and then in the then the horses
could be around this big circle. and his
[46:59] boys were down there uh getting water,
wanted to get a drink. It was a hot day
[47:04] and they wanted to get drink. And so
this this pond water is all mucky and
[47:08] dirty and the kids are like, "We're
thirsty. We really want a drink." And he
[47:12] said, "Well, let me let me show you
something first. You can take your drink
[47:16] here
or let me walk you over." And on our
[47:19] land, we have this beautiful artisian
water well that just spits up so many
[47:24] gallons a minute, right? and it's pure
and it's cold and it's crystal clean and
[47:28] you don't have to worry about any
contaminants or anything like that. And
[47:32] he said and he said or you can get it
from the source and here's the source.
[47:37] And sometimes for whatever reason people
don't go to the source of information
[47:42] and they want to get it from the muck
and the gunk and all those kind of
[47:46] things where really if they went to the
source and they asked those questions
[47:51] the information is right there and it's
clean and it's pure form I will and and
[47:57] those kind of things. So I I that was
kind of the met was physical in the
[48:01] sense that you can drink muddy water or
you can drink clear water. Which one of
[48:05] the two do you want to drink? But
metaphorically like you can get in a
[48:09] muck and do that or you can get it from
that source of information. And I
[48:13] challenge people to kind of think about
that and look about that. Unfortunately,
[48:17] uh my gener uh the generation just above
me decided to to sell off the family
[48:22] ranch and so unfortunately we don't have
the family ranch anymore. So I I
[48:27] understand the plight. Maybe that's why
I'm so
[48:31] committed to the idea of finding ways to
bring back agriculture or to have
[48:34] agricultural continue, you know, and
those kind of things, you know. Probably
[48:38] the hardest thing for me was to give up
the family brand. I grew up my whole
[48:42] life with that family brand and now that
brand's no longer our brand, right? It's
[48:47] gone to someone else. But, you know, the
the generation and the family didn't
[48:51] want to continue that kind of lifestyle
and that was the end of that. So, um,
[48:56] anyways, I I just thought about a lot
about that over the the last little
[48:59] while and then of course last night kind
of made that more poignant to me. Uh,
[49:04] with that said,
we'll skip going into closed meeting.
[49:09] Um, we'll move into into the work
session items
[49:14] and actually we'll bump you to the first
instead of being C and uh we'll talk
[49:20] about youth council and [clears throat]
then we'll go from there.
[49:26] The time is now yours.
>> You mind if I pass out some paper?
[49:29] » Yeah, go ahead.
>> I'd like it if you had one for the
[49:32] press.
>> Certainly.
[49:37] » Thank you.
[49:44] And I got four more.
[49:53] So I'm here. My name is Brody K. I'm the
Jew high school general Sterling scholar
[49:59] and I'm here to discuss the potential of
a Nephi City Youth Council. So a youth
[50:03] council would exist to give youth in our
community more voice upon city matters
[50:09] at a local government level. And as
Mayor Cely said, so they can understand
[50:15] local government better and potentially
teach other youth how local government
[50:20] actually works. So the idea would to be
to have 6 to 12 youth members serve for
[50:26] about one year
with meetings about every two weeks just
[50:34] like on Wednesday or Thursday after city
council meetings so they can discuss the
[50:38] topics that were discussed at the city
council meetings.
[50:42] leadership in the youth city council
would be a good option with having a
[50:48] mayor chair and a vice chair secretary
and potentially committee leaders to
[50:54] lead on projects and other matters.
So meetings would be every two weeks
[51:02] about that's a flexible number. The
length of the meetings is a flexible
[51:06] number. I mean you have to play
everything by ear in these matters. It's
[51:11] just things need to change if you got to
change them. Um, so we would take ideas
[51:16] from the youth or you guys or surveys we
do or just ideas that pop into our
[51:22] heads. We would have meetings about
them, approve them, and then bring them
[51:26] to you guys, present on them, and then
you guys would make the final decision
[51:30] on whether those get passed or not or
whether we can do the projects. So,
[51:36] so and then there's the committee's
idea. So,
[51:41] We need to assign people to lead
projects like community events,
[51:45] community service. One I wanted to touch
on was a communications committee leader
[51:50] to potentially do social media and
surveys. I know social media is a touchy
[51:56] subject, especially have with people
under 18. That's something to discuss
[52:01] further in future.
And the relationship with the city
[52:06] council is a big thing because we need
to emphasize that the city youth council
[52:11] are not elected officials whatsoever.
They have no actual
[52:16] legal power within the city government.
They are simply here to advise the city
[52:21] council on what the youth's opinion is,
what we would like, and at the end of
[52:26] the day, you guys make the final
decision.
[52:30] And some ideas for projects would be to,
you know, do stuff at a park, clean up
[52:36] the town, doing surveys about what the
youth in the town care about, maybe
[52:41] potentially educate youth on how city
government works, or I know a lot of
[52:47] youth my age have been running over stop
signs and stuff. And to [laughter]
[52:51] potentially use,
>> you know who they are.
[52:55] » Find out.
>> All right. Darn it.
[52:59] So at the end of the day, the idea is to
have young people identify issues within
[53:05] their community, teach them about how
their local government works and about
[53:08] how they can be proactive about that in
the future in their lives to actually
[53:13] pioneer solutions instead of just
sitting around and complaining about it,
[53:19] » you know, learning.
>> Why is beyond three years?
[53:24] » So that was that's it. No, I'm I'm
totally in faith with this. I I really
[53:31] like the idea, Brody. And I, you know, I
would say don't don't overburden
[53:36] yourselves. I I think once a month would
be plenty to be able to go do something
[53:40] like this, but I think you could
>> This would be an excellent thing to help
[53:45] us, too.
>> I I think that also hopefully we can
[53:49] help. It's kind of like golf. You got to
start young. I'd really like for people
[53:53] to really know and have civic
responsibility from a young age. And I
[53:57] mean, you're allowed to run for city
council. I think what is it 25 years old
[54:01] now?
>> Is that the is that constitutionally
[54:05] » is it is it mayor that can be 25?
>> Yeah. I thought it was 18
[54:10] » for council. So
>> that
[54:15] just got elected up north
>> 18. And then so what's a mayor? What's
[54:19] the I remember there was like 25 30 and
then 35 for president. So Brody just get
[54:25] ready for 35. [laughter]
>> I do think every two weeks would work
[54:30] well especially with how the schedule of
the actual city council meetings are if
[54:35] we want to discuss each one of those at
our meetings the topics that were gone
[54:39] over there just so we know more and we
don't have a ton piled up for each
[54:42] meeting. Mhm.
>> Well, and I something that I also
[54:46] wouldn't mind seeing, I I noticed a few
of the UPN North cities are doing where
[54:51] they have uh one of the youth council or
a few of them with one of the members of
[54:56] the council or the mayor doing some
social media. I mean, I think they're
[55:00] usually seniors in high school, so it's
not like they're young, but educational
[55:03] videos of this is what's going on in our
community. I think that's another thing
[55:07] I wanted to discuss is the mayor of the
youth council would be communicating
[55:12] more with the city council itself so you
don't have like 12, you know, 16 through
[55:17] 18 year olds just battering you guys
with texts and stuff. [laughter]
[55:23] » This is you do some research on that.
>> I I've been familiar with youth councils
[55:28] in different cities and we had one in
the city I was in in Oregon and uh I've
[55:33] known not a lot of cities up north do
them. Um, I think it's a great
[55:37] opportunity to educate younger folks on
how local government works. Uh, not a
[55:42] knock against our own civics program
here at JWEB. I don't know what they
[55:45] teach, but I know in most communities,
uh, local government civic education is
[55:50] wally lacking. They typically focus on
federal government with some state, but
[55:55] they don't talk a lot about what happens
at the local level. And oddly enough
[55:59] though, as they as people grow older,
it's really what happens at the local
[56:03] level that people care about the most.
>> It's what affects your life.
[56:07] » It's what affects your life the most.
And so, um, I would love to to be able
[56:11] to be a liazison if the council so chose
uh to to be a liazison to the youth
[56:17] council and and help facilitate kind of
the interaction between the two. Uh,
[56:21] this is something I've actually wanted
to to do at the high school and promote
[56:25] local government civics education and I
think this would be a fantastic
[56:29] opportunity to to do that. Um, me or or
or some of the other staff could step in
[56:34] and kind of help out. We are limited on
time and so we may not be able to go to
[56:39] every meeting that they hold. But we
could certainly uh come to some of those
[56:43] meetings and answer questions and talk
through, you know, the things the
[56:47] decisions that the council's making,
terminology, you know, things that may
[56:51] be unfamiliar with them. When we start
talking land use or sewer bonds or
[56:55] whatever, you know, there there's
probably a lot of things that are are,
[56:58] you know, that aren't readily known by
the the regular public. And so we'd be
[57:02] happy to to inform the youth on that.
And I think that is a great point,
[57:06] mayor, that this really helps grow that
next generation uh to have some civic
[57:10] pride and and and pride in the local
community and and and bring them up uh
[57:15] to hopefully run for council one day and
take ownership for real uh as a city
[57:20] councelor
>> and you said they can run at 18. So come
[57:24] on as a senior. [laughter]
>> Welcome aboard.
[57:28] I'd be willing.
>> So the next step
[57:31] next steps would have to be like a
policy related to how
[57:34] » I think if we just created a policy and
then and then I think we've got a great
[57:38] framework that's been prepared [cough]
we can [clears throat] take adopt a lot
[57:42] of what's put in here uh within that
policy and then uh yeah let's just get
[57:47] it get it started. This this sounds like
the real mayor's task force. I've always
[57:51] wondered what that was. [laughter]
[57:56] » Yeah. Okay. All right. All right, we'll
start. Go ahead.
[57:58] » There's one last thing I wanted to say.
Mona and Lean City already happy with
[58:02] councils. We are We are behind, guys.
[laughter]
[58:06] » Never mind.
[58:11] [laughter]
>> Okay, we'll get working on that and then
[58:16] um if you just want to communicate with
Seth and myself for now and then
[58:20] » get your car. Okay.
>> I'll tell you too, there's also
[58:22] something that's really exciting. So in
January they do an elected official day
[58:27] on the hill and all the youth councils
are invited to come up and you get a
[58:31] tour of the capital and you do mock
>> mock something mock government. I have
[58:36] not been to it because we don't have a
youth council but
[58:39] » it's a pretty cool opportunity.
>> Also Utah State University holds a
[58:42] conference for youth councils where they
go up and have activities and things
[58:46] like that. So, I've never really learned
too much about it. I know they have it,
[58:50] but I can certainly get a lot of
information on that. And if that's
[58:52] something that you guys are interested
in, we could try to facilitate maybe
[58:56] something.
>> I'd love it.
[58:58] » Thank you.
>> Thanks, bro.
[59:01] » All right. Uh, a street signs.
[59:06] Um
uh to this point uh the city has has uh
[59:13] really tried to hold firm on um having
street numbers. I think it uh the
[59:20] council's been pretty clear they want to
maintain the grid system as much as
[59:24] possible. Uh we think an integral part
of that is to maintain the numbers on on
[59:29] streets and instead of having street
names. Um, we did have a a subdivision
[59:34] that came in that wanted to name the
streets and we had to kind of go through
[59:37] that exercise at that time and it was
determined at that point that we really
[59:42] need to stick with the street numbers.
Um, it it just facilitates an easier
[59:47] interpretation rather than have too much
of a mixed bag of street names and
[59:52] numbers. Um, you know, for for those
that come from out of state that don't
[59:56] understand the grid system, it's it can
be confusing enough. And so when you
[1:00:00] throw names as well as numbers uh into
the mix, it can be be tough. And I know
[1:00:06] Salt Lake has has kind of done a mixed
bag. And if you don't know your way
[1:00:11] around, sometimes that can be confusing.
But um we we do have one street name uh
[1:00:17] in in the city and that's of course Wasp
Way. Um which is 7th North. Uh and and
[1:00:24] you know there's been some consideration
about whether or not we want to include
[1:00:27] other street names. Um, as the city has
expanded south, uh, we have incorporated
[1:00:33] what has historically been known as
sheep plate and, uh, I think everybody
[1:00:39] kind of knows it as that. Um, and and so
the question that's sort of before you,
[1:00:44] we've been requested to have some street
signs put up on that on that road where
[1:00:48] it intersects Highway 28 is we want to
maintain the the uh, just the numbering
[1:00:55] system. Uh I think it's 2300 South is
what that number would be or do we want
[1:01:00] to keep the the name uh kind of in
reference to the historical uh mention
[1:01:08] of that. Um I think whatever way we
choose I think we should adopt a policy
[1:01:13] for when we allow a name and when we
want to maintain the the numbers. I
[1:01:19] think if it's pretty loose, then I think
you will end up with a lot of requests
[1:01:24] for names and uh you might have a lot of
things named different things. So, if we
[1:01:28] [clears throat] do decide to have a
name, I I think I would recommend that
[1:01:31] we we incorporate I guess that picture
is a little blurry, but um that we
[1:01:36] maintain the number as well as the name
on the sign just so that we're still
[1:01:40] trying to identify the grid system. I uh
use through numbers numbering. Um, but
[1:01:46] uh we're happy to go whatever way the
council chooses, but but uh I do think
[1:01:50] whatever you choose, I think we should
adopt a policy so we know exactly when
[1:01:54] we would look at a street.
>> Yeah,
[1:01:56] » since that has always been known as
that.
[1:01:59] » That's probably the way to go. But put
the number underneath it. But I think as
[1:02:03] far as new requests, I I would say let's
stay with the number system, especially,
[1:02:10] you know, with emergency response and
things like that. I mean, people that
[1:02:14] have been here their whole lives know
where things are, but people that
[1:02:18] haven't don't know. And so numbers are
just a lot easier to to [snorts] find to
[1:02:23] find locations.
>> I think the option to maintain the
[1:02:27] tradition of sheep lane as well.
>> Um, so I'd be in favor of keeping and in
[1:02:31] this instance sheep lane with 2300 South
underneath. Um but then again I I would
[1:02:38] agree with Shie especially in like
residential areas or new developments
[1:02:43] like that we keep the grid system um in
traditionally known you know sheep Wayne
[1:02:48] or I don't know airport road or whatever
if there's a couple of those I don't I
[1:02:54] don't think there should be many but way
a handful of them I think is
[1:02:59] » is fun to maintain the tradition of the
city um and the culture of the city
[1:03:04] while still being in line with those who
are not from the city, but it gives them
[1:03:08] a sense of this is I'm learning the
culture of the city. I'm learning the
[1:03:11] tradition, the history, right? I think
[clears throat] I was just gonna say I I
[1:03:17] tend I I agree as far as the the sheep
line and whatnot, you know, that being I
[1:03:23] I do think though that I do think we
ought to draft a policy with with some
[1:03:28] parameters and again I think they need
to be fairly tight. But I think if
[1:03:31] there's a you know historical value or
you know maybe something heritage to the
[1:03:37] area or something you know because I I
think we tend to lose a lot of that.
[1:03:41] Let's say if there is a let's say a you
know a large farm or something you know
[1:03:47] were to become a subdivision or
different things like that you know it
[1:03:50] may not hurt to have you know maybe a
you know a a road in there you know with
[1:03:57] with that name alluding to that and it
could be this and it doesn't need to be
[1:04:00] the um the primary name of the street it
could be you know you know X lane you
[1:04:06] know 2100 West or whatever it may be but
but I do think we we create a policy and
[1:04:12] I've been asked informally about town on
this on this before and I think as as
[1:04:19] long as we we adopt if we do adopt a
policy or adopt some parameters as to
[1:04:24] when this could happen where you know
and and again I think we it we'd want it
[1:04:30] to be pretty tight. I don't again you
know we don't want to change you know
[1:04:35] very many streets very often but but if
there was a handful of streets you know
[1:04:39] similar to Wasp way I I think I think I
think it is important that we we do
[1:04:45] maintain that that heritage and that
some of the historical value too going
[1:04:49] forward because things change you know
community will look a lot different in
[1:04:53] 30 years than it does today and so I I I
think it's you know I I think that might
[1:04:59] be something just just another way to
kind to hang on to our heritage. So,
[1:05:04] » yeah. No, I like that. Um I I the other
thing that I think of is Sheep Lang was
[1:05:11] a county road before. The county has
named many many roads. And so, as we
[1:05:16] annex, I think we're going to have this,
you know, as we grow westward,
[1:05:21] [clears throat] there's quite a few that
have names. And so, we do need to have a
[1:05:25] policy, you know, if we can have a
number to it. and that like I I know the
[1:05:30] one they call Tap Lane is 1900 South,
you know. So if we again just make sure
[1:05:34] we keep with the grid but then have this
but I mean are you really going to trash
[1:05:40] what they not not trash but just get rid
of what has been historically that
[1:05:47] because even if we don't [clears throat]
annex like all sheep lane up along uh
[1:05:52] from one man band all the way over
that's still sheep lane in the county
[1:05:56] you know and and really the reason why
it connects to 2300 is it actually goes
[1:06:01] behind if you look at the old road maps
goes behind the motel and everything and
[1:06:05] connects perfectly into there. It's
everyone's always wondered why is it
[1:06:09] dead end at subway and and then restart
but it actually [clears throat] goes
[1:06:13] behind there and then connects and then
it doesn't sheep lane starts on highway
[1:06:19] 132 and it ends on
>> like the most confusing road in the
[1:06:23] whole area to get a fire page too.
>> Yeah, for sure. For sure.
[1:06:26] » But you're saying are you saying
essentially
[1:06:29] maintain existing names? I would
maintain existing names, but
[1:06:33] » then we can still throw underneath what
throw in.
[1:06:36] » Yes. Throw in the grid
>> and probably don't get into a huge
[1:06:40] naming
>> contest of every single road, but there
[1:06:43] will be some things of historical
significance. Something that a lot of
[1:06:47] this generation, the future generations
are going to eventually forget is this
[1:06:51] is track street. You know, 100 north,
that's we all knew it as track street
[1:06:56] growing up. And you know, my dad said
there were the tracks that just went
[1:06:59] right along here and went up the canyon
and and such. So anyways, there's just a
[1:07:04] few of historical significance like like
Jeremy had said and then just I I I
[1:07:09] don't want to lose some of that of when
we do bring these in westward because it
[1:07:14] also I mean a lot of people get the
their address or whatnot put on either a
[1:07:19] sign or their mailbox or different
things. And I know even when we had
[1:07:23] addresses assigned out in the county I
think the jail is 425 West sheet lane.
[1:07:29] Uh then I know the storage yard got a
525 west and then I know that uh Heath
[1:07:35] Butler isn't he
>> his shop is also something west sheep
[1:07:40] lane drive and so I I think if we could
do the sheep lane but then have that but
[1:07:45] then yeah if there are other roads that
go westward um through annexations and
[1:07:51] such because airport road will probably
eventually
[1:07:55] » we also have metal lane
>> metal lane I mean we don't have to
[1:07:59] There's cow lane. There's I mean you go
around oral road is also partially
[1:08:05] » city in now, right? I mean I think it's
a U dot frontage road along uh there.
[1:08:11] But there's just a few things like that
that I think we have to consider.
[1:08:15] » Think if it's sheeper should have a
sheep on it like the
[1:08:18] » do we want [laughter] to have a picture
of a sheep just like
[1:08:22] » Yeah, it must have a photo. [laughter]
>> But that's Sorry, I have a comment.
[1:08:28] Yes.
>> But that's the thing is is we don't when
[1:08:32] we address things and I'm kind of now
talking from the planning and something
[1:08:37] » when we address things we address them.
I mean there's another one that lives on
[1:08:40] 700 North that is their address is was
like no it's a nickname.
[1:08:45] » Yeah. So why this came about is because
of what Travis said is is the properties
[1:08:51] we're annexing in. we were giving a
number, but there were county people
[1:08:56] that still
it's it's um she blame. So I'm like, if
[1:09:03] we're going to have it be sheep lane, if
we're going to give it a number, it
[1:09:07] needs to be on the sign, you know? I So
I mean, that's just the way that we add
[1:09:14] the addresses. So I just don't know like
are you saying no the address should be
[1:09:18] sheep lane or we should go with 2300
north because
[1:09:23] I mean that's just Nephi city's way that
we can address right now. So that's like
[1:09:28] that's what I want to
>> and I might also suggest the possibility
[1:09:34] of extending the name of way because as
it is right now it ends [snorts] I
[1:09:43] believe at third west [clears throat]
but 7th north goes all the way out to
[1:09:50] 3100 west.
>> It's just not our street at that point.
[1:09:54] So that's what's hard is that's then
county as soon as we crossed the tracks
[1:09:59] then it splits off into county instead
of
[1:10:02] » I just wondering why the whole thing
wasn't called wasp boy.
[1:10:06] » I think it was just a nickname after the
fact but yeah that would be something
[1:10:08] the county would have to do.
>> I would think as far as addressing
[1:10:11] purposes it should just be the numbers.
>> It should stay to the numbers
[1:10:15] » form to the numbers and then just like
this just consider that more of a a
[1:10:18] nickname for the street. That's my
opinion.
[1:10:21] » Yeah. Well, the students came in because
we do from the high school and petition
[1:10:28] to have number.
So
[1:10:32] » So if they're currently on Chief Lane,
if they were to annex in the future
[1:10:35] build house there, it would then be 2300
South
[1:10:39] » was is what they would write on there.
>> So is there something we should look at
[1:10:44] though readressing some of these that
are newer that we've already addressed?
[1:10:48] And then the sheriff's office, I mean,
they're
[1:10:52] Because that is really confusing. I mean
like like Joel mentioned, I mean you get
[1:10:56] a page. Luckily these guys will all
know, hey, it's the jail, but I mean she
[1:11:00] lane you could be anywhere
>> except for all the new guys. All of us
[1:11:04] homegrown guys were like, "Oh yeah, we
know Sid Rigg lives out on there." And
[1:11:08] everybody's like, "Who's Sid Rigg?"
[laughter]
[1:11:13] » No one knows where to go except for all
his home girls and there's getting two
[1:11:17] of us.
>> Yeah. So, it might be good to at least
[1:11:21] Yeah. Just make sure all of our
addressing.
[1:11:24] » We have to work the post office, but uh
we could try to do that.
[1:11:28] » Yeah. I think
>> it's hard if they've got a monument sign
[1:11:30] with it chiseled in. That would be
tough. But I think yeah any that don't
[1:11:35] have monments [laughter]
I don't know I think that that is a
[1:11:39] really good point and it's mostly I mean
what we're worried about is the public
[1:11:43] safety side. Yeah, we'll we'll uh we'll
draft something in a policy and then we
[1:11:48] can kind of tweak it from there. But
this is good feedback as we kind of put
[1:11:51] that together
>> because I know you just have to do an
[1:11:53] affidavit, right? And then that's what
>> Yeah, it can be done. We did that with
[1:11:56] 450 when we changed that from 400 to
450.
[1:12:00] » And even when we changed, do you
remember it was originally
[1:12:03] [clears throat] recorded out there where
the steakhouse is is 100 west, but then
[1:12:06] when Kyle looked at it, it was 425
>> because of that weird dog leg that
[1:12:12] happens that technically that road was
425. So we did it with an affidavit,
[1:12:17] recorded it, and then took it to the
post office. So when when drafting that,
[1:12:21] are you saying essentially we blanket
the whole town as numbers, but then we
[1:12:29] just recognize nicknames on signs
>> if we want to go that direction. Yeah,
[1:12:35] » that's that's kind of what I'm hearing
at least is if it's cheap lane, it's
[1:12:38] 2300. However, the street sign itself
would be nicknamed Wasway or sheep lane
[1:12:45] or track free street or whatever.
>> But it wouldn't be it wouldn't be 2300
[1:12:50] there and it wouldn't be 2,300 out by
the landfill.
[1:12:53] » Yeah. Because it's different.
>> And so that makes it so
[1:12:57] » confusing. I think to go with council's
[clears throat] idea to have just kind
[1:13:02] of have it be a nickname. Just like with
7th North, we don't have Waspway signs
[1:13:06] at every intersection all the way to the
high school. This is just kind of this
[1:13:09] main just
almost like a monument sign [laughter]
[1:13:14] highway 28 and cheap lane. Uh but going
westward it would be numbered and uh and
[1:13:22] then when you kind of turn the corner
way out to the west if we ever annex
[1:13:25] that far uh it would just be new numbers
going north and it wouldn't be known as
[1:13:29] lane. So
>> I guess some of our addresses are
[1:13:34] currently on Main Street but technically
it's Highway 128, right? Uh so yeah, one
[1:13:39] of the things we had talked about is
south of the freeway would be known as
[1:13:42] highway one or highway 28 and north of
the freeway would be Main Street. And so
[1:13:47] that way you avoid that um that
confusion, but there already has been
[1:13:52] some things named Main Street on the
south end. So uh we'll just have to
[1:13:57] maybe going forward
we'll we'll you know state those things.
[1:14:01] I know when the um
Oh, that subdivision, the industrial
[1:14:07] one, help me.
>> Rodri.
[1:14:09] » Rodri, thank you.
>> Uh came in, I think that was labeled as
[1:14:12] Highway 28.
>> Oh, nice. When I talked to the state
[1:14:17] 911, we determined that the elevator
road would be our cutoff because just
[1:14:23] what Seth said, we've already named a
bunch of them Main Street and so Rodri
[1:14:27] is the cutoff and Elevator Road where it
will now be named Highway 28.
[1:14:33] » Okay. So like where the warehouse is the
correct that one's still main south of
[1:14:38] Elevator Road will have the name of
Highway 28. north of Elevator Road. So
[1:14:46] Owens Corning and that it will be Main
Street
[1:14:50] » North.
>> Otherwise, Leand would have Nephi main
[1:14:52] street [laughter]
[1:14:56] » and they have main street.
>> Well, I mean that's what you kind of
[1:15:00] look at. I think it's Delta. Is it Delta
or San County? I mean, sometimes it's
[1:15:05] like crazy. I I think it might even be
off of Manti. there. Is it the county
[1:15:11] that they do the county seat and it's
like 33,064
[1:15:16] north
manti? But it's like clear
[1:15:20] » right north of Manti on those houses.
>> Yeah. But there's some that are like way
[1:15:24] just out in the unincorporated county
and I think they have a mant. I guess
[1:15:28] we're actually technically Nephi clear
out to Dog Valley, right?
[1:15:31] » I think so from a zip code stand.
So they do that in Mount Pleasant where
[1:15:37] my daughter lives because she's outside
[clears throat]
[1:15:40] Mount Pleasant but she has a Mount
Pleasant address but she's in the in
[1:15:46] » unincorporated
>> unincorporated county.
[1:15:49] » Okay.
>> Interesting. [laughter]
[1:15:53] » More fin.
>> Yeah. I mean I think the best place is
[1:15:58] to have a template and just start there.
uh we'll just take some of the feedback
[1:16:02] we've heard here and we'll put something
together and then we can kind of massage
[1:16:06] and adjust as needed till we get to
something comfortable. I think there's
[1:16:09] pros and cons to some of the things that
we've talked about and we'll we'll talk
[1:16:13] about those more in work session as we
draft the policy.
[1:16:16] » Yeah.
>> But remember it's was way because of a
[1:16:20] student petition.
>> Exactly. I was just thinking that
[1:16:23] » but [clears throat] I do like not
addressing off of that. I I do like
[1:16:27] » enough subisions to worry about the
[laughter]
[1:16:30] history.
[1:16:34] » Okay.
>> And even then, how much luck would we
[1:16:37] have in trying to rename First North
Track Street? I mean, it's a it's a
[1:16:44] state highway. So I think the state of
Utah is going to
[1:16:49] » Utah.
[laughter]
[1:16:54] » There you go.
>> All right. Sarah, are you doing the
[1:16:58] cemetery burial?
>> Okay. [laughter]
[1:17:02] » It affects Leslie a little more than me.
>> Okay.
[1:17:06] » All right. So basically it just said the
purpose is for this for cemetery plot
[1:17:12] cells and we know most of it um
I'm trying to think
[1:17:19] um the city council will still retain
oversight but I we decided that you
[1:17:25] don't need to approve burial cells right
>> that was their desire that was okay so
[1:17:31] that that's kind of um where this kind
of started um When we're selling plots,
[1:17:38] I inventory limits. Um, we have right
now individual or household purchase for
[1:17:47] maximum and I think that's pre-needed.
Um, you know, we had a situation in our
[1:17:52] community recently and I think if it was
at need, we could sell as many as
[1:17:56] needed, but pre-need, I don't know if if
you think I think four per household is,
[1:18:04] but [laughter] what I don't know if you
guys Is it currently eight?
[1:18:07] » Is [clears throat] it currently eight
that somebody can have?
[1:18:09] » No,
>> I think
[1:18:11] » four per person.
>> It says per person, but like
[1:18:16] » because I think I think that's how Lisa
how we always have the eight.
[1:18:19] » But the problem I find is they say,
well, all this time my wife do it, but
[1:18:26] it all comes out of the same account,
the same person signing the check. So it
[1:18:30] it I just need clarification,
you know? It's like, so yeah. So yeah,
[1:18:35] I'll just have my my son buy this many
and my daughter buy that many and my mom
[1:18:39] I'm paying for all of them, but I'll
just put their name on them.
[1:18:42] » Yeah,
>> I don't know. I just am trying to limit
[1:18:44] the amount because in reality, how many
like I'm not going to buy them for my
[1:18:50] children because I don't know if they're
going to live here.
[1:18:54] » I mean, I'm not going to do that, but I
mean other people might. That's fine.
[1:18:58] But so I just don't know.
[clears throat]
[1:19:01] » [cough]
>> I don't know if you guys need more than
[1:19:04] four or if I should stick with per
person, that's fine. I just
[1:19:09] » did we get to where it is only um the
fee to reserve the spot be because I
[1:19:17] remember that was what we talked about
back in the day. They used to be able to
[1:19:21] come in and they were purchased in the
early 1900s and they got to just get
[1:19:25] buried, you know, at that cost even
though it cost us a lot more to take
[1:19:30] care of things. So then we had switched
to perpetual care was like at the time
[1:19:34] of burial. But now is it pretty much
everything is at time of burial?
[1:19:37] » No. So you purchase the plot itself and
then um open and close fees are at time
[1:19:45] of burial. Is that the only thing that's
>> except for those older deeds um the
[1:19:51] familyowned plots we do charge perpetual
care as well as
[1:19:57] um the opening clos
>> because I know I think when we were
[1:20:00] doing research on this I mean this has
been years ago so I can't even remember
[1:20:04] now but we were putting the master fee
schedule together the first time and I
[1:20:09] remember we were talking about this that
um
[1:20:13] it's just so hard to because
we're having to subsidize all the use of
[1:20:18] that with parks. Uh, I mean, it's
general fund money and really it should
[1:20:25] be the user of the service. And so
really, I I don't really want to do more
[1:20:29] than just sell the lot to the plot to
people at the time because they're not
[1:20:34] using them for so many years later in a
lot of these cases.
[1:20:38] » And and the thing is with if they if
you're allowing people to buy more than
[1:20:41] four, we're going to run out faster than
>> Well, that's what Yeah, we just went
[1:20:45] through I mean, it's been quite a few
years. We had to go through a reclaim
[1:20:48] process,
>> right? And so if you're allowing people
[1:20:51] to buy as many as they want, I mean, so
I think there needs to be a limit. I
[1:20:55] guess I just am I mean, do you think
individuals fine or do you think I'm
[1:20:58] okay to go per household?
>> Well, and do you do it just based purely
[1:21:03] off of your immediate family? You know,
if you have one, it's there's just three
[1:21:09] of you, then that's all that you can
purchase is just a max of your immediate
[1:21:13] family.
>> Yeah. you know.
[1:21:15] » Okay. But what if I have married
children and I I mean are they
[1:21:18] considered immediate family? So see you
know
[1:21:20] » well wouldn't the married children share
your kids spot or would they have a
[1:21:24] separate
>> I'm just saying I'm just saying there's
[1:21:27] so many logistics
>> there there are but I mean would you I
[1:21:31] think they would have to purchase their
own but don't you usually isn't it a
[1:21:34] husband wife
>> plot or or are they buying they're two
[1:21:39] separate plots there?
So when my brother died, my mom and dad
[1:21:44] bought four plots
>> because people want to be able to be by
[1:21:48] their family. I think that's one of the
big things.
[1:21:50] » That's one of the things. But
>> that was that I thought at the time that
[1:21:54] was Ellie bought four plots.
>> So was one of them.
[1:21:59] » Well, the one Yeah, we got one. So my
mom and dad are buried right here and
[1:22:03] then Jake's on the side of them and
there's one plot that's just there.
[1:22:08] » [laughter]
[1:22:10] » We'll have to fight over the plot. I get
>> or maybe we'll get buried with our
[1:22:14] family and our own individ [laughter]
[1:22:21] the rule could still stand with an
individual family. So my parents could
[1:22:25] buy up to five three kids and two parent
two adults, right? However, I myself
[1:22:31] could buy four two kids and my wife and
myself or whatever. So, I'm still
[1:22:36] limited. I'm still able to be
I don't know. I don't know if that makes
[1:22:40] sense, but I'm thinking like in in the
what was the example we were using? If
[1:22:45] there were
>> Oh, yeah. Just just husband and wife
[1:22:48] that wife could still still buy one in
the same area, but she would have to buy
[1:22:55] it herself or I don't know is that like
it can still work.
[1:23:00] » My my point is is like
>> Yeah. So what's your recommendation at
[1:23:04] the end of the day then?
>> Mine
[1:23:07] » I would say per household
>> how many per household
[1:23:11] » four
>> but what if household has eight people?
[1:23:16] » Well I have kids but I'm not
[clears throat] I'm not going to buy
[1:23:20] that many because my my
are all the kids going to I don't know
[1:23:25] it it just
>> you know I
[1:23:27] » in all reality
>> I I agree Lesie. I think I think four
[1:23:32] per household, you know, because that's
kind of one of those things kind of like
[1:23:35] it's kind of like life insurance. You
know, you buy it but you really don't
[1:23:38] want to use it. That's kind of that same
thing, you know. I I hope that you know
[1:23:42] that if I have four plots, I I really
hope that, you know, just two of them
[1:23:47] are used and, you know, and then, you
know, my kids are off, you know, doing
[1:23:52] other things other place and, you know,
I hope that I don't have to bury a child
[1:23:56] or anything that way where we would have
to use one of them. So, so I
[1:24:01] » So, what do you do then? Do you turn
them back?
[1:24:08] » Yeah. There's like a life associated
with that.
[1:24:10] » So, and then when it goes
>> 60 years.
[1:24:13] » Yeah.
>> Oh, 60 years.
[1:24:15] » And then the city has the right to buy
it back at that time, frame.
[1:24:18] » Are you saying purely though that it
would be pre-needed?
[1:24:21] » Yes. So, so let's say that a family,
heaven forbid this happens, but they're
[1:24:25] in a car accident and there's seven
people in the vehicle, six die.
[1:24:31] » They can all get a a block. That would
be fine. So, it's at me.
[1:24:35] » Okay.
>> So, they just can't just
[1:24:36] » And if they had purchased some
previously, I would transfer those
[1:24:40] somewhere else where they
[clears throat]
[1:24:43] » So, this is just reserving
taking space.
[1:24:47] » Yes.
>> Okay. I I feel better about that. I I
[1:24:50] was a little confused on that. So, I
appreciate the clarification,
[1:24:53] » but yeah, I I would definitely allow at
at need as many as needed. Um, and like
[1:25:00] I said, if they had already purchased
some and they didn't have any space
[1:25:03] around them, I would say, well, let's
move you and we'll just transfer that
[1:25:07] » to somewhere else.
>> No, I I I think I'm good with it. I I
[1:25:11] think
>> Yeah, because we don't want like because
[1:25:14] there were some I know there were some
old family plots
[1:25:17] » that had 16 or
20. I mean, there were just so many. And
[1:25:23] then there were people that came in and
they really wanted to be buried by their
[1:25:26] family, but these are all reserved and
not one single one was being used, you
[1:25:32] know, and and then people didn't even
know
[1:25:34] » and there's still a whole out there that
are families that
[1:25:38] » So, is that when you put the 60-year
limit on it?
[1:25:41] » That's when you did that. Oh, the
reclamation because because there wasn't
[1:25:46] these were like early 1900s lots when
they did the reclamation because then
[1:25:51] Phil went through and tried to
[clears throat]
[1:25:53] » and it caused a lot of
>> anger.
[1:25:56] » It did a lot of anger.
>> In fact, that anger is still out there
[1:26:01] tax-free land. [laughter]
I I in addition to this I I really think
[1:26:08] we still need to look at the cost of
what an out of town individual is. I
[1:26:13] Monet just changed theirs at 6,500.
And what is ours at?
[1:26:18] » 1500.
>> Yeah,
[1:26:21] » 6,500.
That's what I was given
[1:26:25] » as a number. Double check that. But
>> it is fact check.
[1:26:29] » Fact check. I I do think your fees
should be somewhat
[1:26:34] [clears throat] associated with the cost
that you have and I don't think there's
[1:26:38] anything wrong with having a higher cost
for an out of city resident because we
[1:26:42] purchase land for our residents and so I
I do think we should have a high enough
[1:26:47] fee but I do think it should be
associated with something rather than
[1:26:50] just a high number.
>> But I do think
[1:26:53] » no yeah to that point though we do need
to have inventory for those and correct
[1:26:58] the cost of land is getting crazy. Yes.
So, we actually do need to have a true
[1:27:02] analysis done to make sure that the cost
or the uh revenues that we're bringing
[1:27:06] in are going to enable us to make it so
many years and then enable us to also
[1:27:12] purchase additional land somewhere else
for a new cemetery. So, we we need to
[1:27:17] probably do that at some point. Um, and
make sure and the out of city out of
[1:27:22] city fee and and and we've had kind of a
hard time with that because, you know,
[1:27:27] let's say someone lives here for 35
years, gets a job, goes down to work
[1:27:32] somewhere for 15 years, retires, and
then comes back to Nephi or, you know,
[1:27:38] or something like that. and anyway or
they want they want to be married to
[1:27:42] Nephi because they were they were here
for a long time and now they're being
[1:27:46] [clears throat] charged a really
exorbitant fee but they were a valued
[1:27:49] member of our community for 30 years or
something like that. I mean we just have
[1:27:53] to balance those things out
but also make sure that we're we're
[1:27:57] taking care of residents
>> and where costs are jumping. I'm
[1:28:00] wondering if we can't also find uh and
dedicate I remember Phil would give us a
[1:28:06] whole presentation back when he was
working here of a cremation garden.
[1:28:12] » Yeah. Because it would just be nice to
>> Yeah. I mean that that's just it's so
[1:28:19] much cheaper and there's a lot of people
that don't care. They're like, you know
[1:28:23] what, it's my shelf.
>> There actually are a lot of creations
[1:28:26] » and but they're taking full
>> I know. Are they taking full plots?
[1:28:30] » No, a lot of them are having two. So,
two can be buried in a in a plot if if
[1:28:36] it's cremation or you can have a casket
and a cremation
[1:28:41] um
so
[1:28:44] » yeah, we have a plan. Uh we've just
never really carried it out. I think
[1:28:47] we're still reserving that space for
future uh column bearing, but we'll we
[1:28:53] can bring that back. It's
>> column bar.
[1:28:55] » Yeah,
>> I had a brochure.
[1:28:58] [laughter] Some guy had brought me a
brochure and stuff walked by. Oh, it's a
[1:29:02] column. I'm like, you know what that
[laughter]
[1:29:05] » I had no idea what
>> too long in the bones after.
[1:29:08] » I I know I've said this before, but it
still continues. I I doing hospice care.
[1:29:15] A lot more people want to be cremated
and a really the game that's being
[1:29:20] played is wherever the cheapest land is
to bury, if they're gonna bury, they're
[1:29:24] going to go there. And it and it no
rhyme, no reason. I just know plots are
[1:29:29] cheaper. And I don't
>> I think Yeah. If we're gonna I mean
[1:29:34] that's adding expense to our citizens of
our community where we could be
[1:29:38] basically saying if you want like you
said if you want to be buried here then
[1:29:42] this is the reason why that plot is so
much because I mean up north 10 to
[1:29:46] 12,000 for a plot I mean for a you know
a place to put your
[1:29:51] » mall is $6500 and it's 5,000 cheaper to
come 10 minutes south that's where do
[1:29:59] you double do double will be
>> um only if it's a child on top.
[1:30:06] » Okay.
>> A lot of cemeteries up north have
[1:30:09] started because
>> I have a couple of relatives that are
[1:30:14] double D.
>> So whoever dies first is on the bottom
[1:30:17] and then whoever dies second is on the
top.
[1:30:20] » That way the plots's one plot but boy
they charge her for the digging.
[1:30:28] [clears throat]
>> Yeah. I mentioned they would have to go
[1:30:30] deeper on that.
>> Yeah, they go down 12. But
[1:30:33] » 12 ft. Wow.
>> Yeah. And it has
[1:30:37] » And
yeah, and so they charge, you know.
[1:30:41] » Yeah. For
>> sufficiently.
[1:30:44] » I think we could use the back truck, you
know, for
[1:30:48] » Yeah.
>> So, yeah, if you'll do some massaging
[1:30:52] and working over on that and then uh
>> All right. Sorry. Um So the
[1:31:00] [clears throat] one thing is right now
so I the certificate of burial rights um
[1:31:07] can be issued upon completion of the
cell and it needs to be signed by me. Um
[1:31:13] there isn't I mean we have the mayor's
been signing all of them. He doesn't
[1:31:17] have to and if you want to I am we will
continue that way. I don't even care.
[1:31:22] Um, I did take the notary off of it
anyway, just because that was a little
[1:31:28] bit too much and it doesn't have to be
notorized [laughter]
[1:31:33] because if if if you're signing it and
I'm attesting it, that works or I can
[1:31:37] just sign it. So, it's a kind of I'm
just leaving that up to you. If you
[1:31:40] would like to be involved in that
process, that is perfectly fine and
[1:31:43] we'll continue that way.
>> Okay?
[1:31:45] » So, just let me know on that. Um,
we currently buy back
[1:31:52] um purchase lots if they're unused and
they don't want them anymore, we will
[1:31:56] buy them back for the original purchase
price if they have their deed if or
[1:32:01] their their burial right. If they do
not, we determine that administratively.
[1:32:06] Um, I think right now for the older
deeds, it's like $75
[1:32:13] to buy those back.
[1:32:18] » Uh, to transfer [clears throat] burial
rights,
[1:32:21] I have have to record it. I have to um
just make that I usually do an affidavit
[1:32:27] if I'm having someone transfer a plot
that they own. And then they have to
[1:32:32] turn in the PL or turn in their burial
right be issued a new one.
[1:32:38] My question is is should we charge for
that [laughter] too? I don't know.
[1:32:43] There's a lot of cemeteries that do
charge if people want to transfer
[1:32:47] rights. I'm fine to just schedule on.
>> It's usually about $50 to $100
[1:32:54] is what they charge.
>> It just be calculated based on staff
[1:32:57] time.
>> Yeah. I mean I was going to say what
[1:33:00] else what else what other cost would it
>> it's not I mean but we we do have to
[1:33:05] have an affidavit we do have to you know
take that and then just create the rec
[1:33:10] again so it's just
>> so I don't care if if you just wanted to
[1:33:15] just do it I'm fine with that too
[1:33:19] » no then just review we didn't know how
often you wanted to review them we know
[1:33:23] you don't want them every meeting
>> I could do a monthly how many were sold
[1:33:27] how
or once a year how many plots we have
[1:33:31] actually left. I mean just I don't know
how often you would want
[1:33:38] » quarterly.
>> I was thinking I was thinking of
[1:33:40] quarterly actually is what I was
thinking. I would
[1:33:46] » Yeah, quarterly would be good. Maybe
just a simple number that says number of
[1:33:50] plots sold and then number
>> and I would designate also whether they
[1:33:54] were um resident or non-resident
>> just so aware. So we would have an an
[1:34:00] idea of are we selling more out of town
or
[1:34:04] » Well, and then in addition to the sales,
could you just throw also just number of
[1:34:08] burials that actually occurred too? So
that way we know
[1:34:12] » you want to know.
>> Do we know the available inventory? Like
[1:34:15] do we have a specific number?
>> Um I think there's a report I can pull.
[1:34:20] I I was messing with it the other day,
but you know, my program's really
[1:34:26] » That's [laughter]
so the new software would be great for
[1:34:31] that because hopefully then we can get a
report because then we can actually map
[1:34:35] out based off sales and things and then
how much land we want to be able to
[1:34:40] acquire.
>> There's still quite a few lots
[1:34:45] » really. I think
>> we'll call that for the Nephi plotter.
[1:34:50] [laughter]
[1:34:52] » I like it.
[1:34:56] » Is that it?
>> Anything else?
[1:34:59] » Yeah. No, quarterly is great.
>> Quarterly need to sign. A lot of cities
[1:35:03] we found just have the recorder sign and
leave out. But if you want to sign,
[1:35:07] we'll leave that spot.
>> Talking about [clears throat] pricing
[1:35:10] and stuff would as far as changing out
of out of town owners and pricing, what
[1:35:16] what would we need to do for that? I
would recommend that we do a full-blown
[1:35:20] analysis of what we're bringing in, what
our future needs are, um, and and adjust
[1:35:25] our whole fee structure based on that
analysis so that we just have something
[1:35:30] to base it on rather than just say we're
[clears throat] just going to pick this
[1:35:34] high number. Um,
>> right.
[1:35:35] » You know, I I don't I think I think
you're welcome and you can charge a
[1:35:39] higher fee. There's nothing wrong with
having a premium on that. My personal
[1:35:44] opinion is it just it should be based on
something rather than just let's just
[1:35:48] charge the heck out of non-residents.
>> Well, I agree. But even if I mean we
[1:35:52] have some basis with our neighboring
communities.
[1:35:55] » Well, if we do, but their basis is I
just want to charge the heck out of
[1:35:59] non-residents, then
>> we're just basing it off that same
[1:36:02] mentality. So, we I think if you have if
you can point to something and say this
[1:36:06] is why we need it. this is why we need
$3,000 or $5,000, whatever you end up
[1:36:11] deciding, is that it meets this
analysis, this need, because in X number
[1:36:16] of years, we're going to have to go out
and purchase land for the cemetery.
[1:36:19] » So, even with the new property tax rate,
will you remind me what the average tax
[1:36:25] bill will be for the Nephi portion
portion? Is it like is it under 300
[1:36:31] still?
>> Uh, no, it'd be
[1:36:34] uh
>> or about 300. It was it was 300 and
[1:36:37] something. Yeah. 300 something. So the
what I'm getting at though you our
[1:36:42] residents get a lot of services for that
not just cemetery. So it's kind of crazy
[1:36:46] to maybe make it that much more when
really our residents aren't paying that
[1:36:52] much more for the you know when you look
at our property tax and different
[1:36:56] things. So I
I don't know that's just kind of when
[1:37:00] you do resident non-resident it's
usually because hey you're a taxpayer
[1:37:04] that's why you get this for cheaper than
the
[1:37:07] » we have another rate a utility rate is
that what it's called
[1:37:12] those who are on Nephi city utilities
even if they live in the county they
[1:37:18] » live in the dollar
>> better rate not quite the resident rate
[1:37:20] but they do get a better rate than the
out
[1:37:23] » okay
>> but I think if you do a full-blown
[1:37:27] analysis. You just have some methodology
behind why you're doing what you're
[1:37:31] doing.
>> Um, but I certainly agree that that
[1:37:35] that's why the fee should be there is to
save the land for your residents.
[1:37:39] There's just tricky situations with all
of that and that's something you guys
[1:37:43] will want to think about.
>> I'm just alluding to the amount of
[1:37:46] premium though. I mean, yes, there
should be a premium, but I mean, how how
[1:37:52] much is fair when really that's what our
residents are paying, you know, but I
[1:37:57] also like where you say the utilities
and such, too, because we do need to
[1:38:00] factor in I think all of those the
cemeteries and stuff are being
[1:38:04] subsidized by our utility funds as well,
you know, and so I think going off your
[1:38:10] true costs and such and how much the
utility funds are putting to the
[1:38:14] cemetery and the taxes is everything
that's going there. As long as those are
[1:38:19] all accounted for in that analysis, then
I think you can make that jump the
[1:38:23] premium that should be charged fairly to
the non-resident true non-resident
[1:38:29] [clears throat] that's not contributing.
>> Yeah. And then you'd have some sort of
[1:38:35] um set established rule of what
qualifies you to be a resident. Whether
[1:38:40] that was like a 50% of your life was in
here or something like that's the
[1:38:46] » that's the tough part.
>> That's the thing is I'm not going to
[1:38:48] know the old people that that lived here
for a long time. I won't know that. I
[1:38:54] just
>> Yeah. Um and it'll be
[1:38:57] » bring your diploma. I did that.
[laughter]
[1:39:00] » Hey, and I did find out they go back to
at least the 50s on diplomas.
[1:39:06] [clears throat]
[1:39:09] [laughter]
[1:39:13] » Yeah, that's right.
[1:39:26] » It's hard. And then you know cuz
>> to use the example I had so someone
[1:39:30] who's lived here for you know 70 years
[laughter] went to St. George to retire
[1:39:34] for three died and wants to be buried in
Nephi but now has a St. George address
[1:39:39] versus, you know, someone that lived
their entire life in Salt Lake but
[1:39:43] retired in Nephi, have lived for a year
and then died and were able to purchase
[1:39:47] a plot based on a percent of a lifetime
like
[1:39:50] » so yeah but again how do you how do you
demonstrate the proof of that? I I don't
[1:39:56] know. It's that that'd be very very
tough. Um
[1:39:59] » other
we could try to do that but
[1:40:03] » some people it's just the Yeah, that's
just going to be the situation. I'm
[1:40:07] sorry.
>> People lie. People lie, but it doesn't
[1:40:10] make any idea
>> on there, right?
[1:40:12] » On their Yeah.
>> This is a lying. We put it on their
[1:40:16] tombstone.
>> Yeah. Liar.
[1:40:17] » No, you [laughter]
>> could look at the tax records or
[1:40:21] something.
>> Yeah.
[1:40:26] » Tax records. He said said
tax records.
[1:40:31] » Well, we could get that kind of thing.
[clears throat]
[1:40:34] » Yeah.
>> We struggle to get that property.
[1:40:36] struggle to get that kind of data
>> just automatically.
[1:40:40] » Yeah, sometimes we don't get updated
data.
[1:40:43] [laughter]
[1:40:46] » Okay. Any more in that area then?
>> No.
[1:40:49] » Okay. There there is a need for
a closed meeting for character and
[1:40:56] confidence even individual litigation
and real property
[1:41:00] » purchase of real property.
If
[1:41:04] » someone make a motion that we Uh move to
close meeting for character and
[1:41:10] competence of individ individual
litigation and purchase of
[1:41:15] » second.
>> Oh,
[1:41:19] » is it
roll call?
[1:41:22] » It's a roll call. Just give me a second.
That was Travis with a second.
[1:41:25] » Yes.
>> You know that. Thank you.
[1:41:27] [clears throat] All right. Tate.
>> Hi, Jeremy. Hi,
[1:41:32] » Travis. Hi, Shar.
>> Hi.
[1:41:38] Okay. Uh, we are ready to go in close
meeting then.
[1:41:44] » Thanks for coming out.
[1:41:49] » Seth, did you have to call? Is he still
coming tonight? Thank you.