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All right, everybody, it looks like we're ready to start.

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Notice requirements of RX-104-8.Opening Public Meeting Act has been satisfied by the publication of the required notice in the Asbury Park Press. Finally, of a copy with the municipal clerk and the posting of said notice on the bulletin board at the municipal complex and on the county website, Neptune Township.org.

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Firehead vids are clearly marked at the side and rear of this room.

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In the event of an emergency or fire alarm, please move calmly and orderly

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to the nearest monthly exit.

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The procedure for the conduct of this meeting is as follows.

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Each applicant will be sworn in and asked to describe their proposal.

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Commissioners will then have the opportunity to ask questions

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and offer comments or suggestions.

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At the direction of the chair, the public portion will be open

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questions or comments related to the application before the commission. Members of the public wishing

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to speak should come forward, state their name and address for the record and this morning.

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Chair reserves the right to the public comment to one five minute session per application.

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At the conclusion of the public portion, Sarah E. Fitzgerald's choir attorney for the commission

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will summarize the conditions, suggestions, and or approvals prior to the commission's vote on the amplification.

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The START Preservation Commission will conclude all due to the snowy event during the weekend.

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If no new testimony or application will begin after 10 p.m.

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The minutes of this proceeding are electronically recorded and a copy of the recording will be available

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for review at the agency's office.

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At this time, we ask that all cell phones be on your turns off or set to vibrate.

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The Commission appreciates the cooperation of all the attendees

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new limiting any unnecessary noise during the meeting.

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Heather, would you please call the rolls?

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There was that check?

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Here.

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Listen to Highland here.

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There's Bruno Dow.

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Here.

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Finish Avert.

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Here.

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Linda Henderson.

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Here.

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Jane Gordon, Julian.

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Here.

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Also, President Sarah, I'm going to start with the first application, which happens to be

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number four. You're doing a little shake up as far as the order of applications. So would

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60 heck please come forward.

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Front tables.

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You've got it. Please do make yourself comfortable.

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Yeah, sure, whatever. Get it with. Near your face at least.

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Okay, that's it. And Sarah will swear you both in,

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or you both going to be giving testimony. It's me mostly,

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then this is my contract. All right, well,

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I want to take people's warning and testing.

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I hope you're sworn in just to get to it.

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I start asking questions you need to answer.

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So if you could raise your right hand please. Do you swear or a firm?

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Because the testimony you're going to get tonight will be the truth,

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the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

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I knew yes, okay, and could you both just please bug your name for the record? Yes, my name is Joan

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Excuse me, do you lack in it's D-I-L-A-K-I-A-N, okay, my name is William

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Grimmer

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G-R-I-N-E-R

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Thank you

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All right, so do you want to explain to the board exactly where it is your application is the description of your work?

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Yes, I would love to thank you

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So first of all, I want to thank Hitler.

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Hitler for adding me to be a gen to this evening,

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and wish you all a good evening.

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So by way of introduction, as I said,

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my name is Joan Delacchian.

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My husband and I purchased the home at 60 Avenue,

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this past December.

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And we are residents of New York City.

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It's been a lifelong dream to have a second home

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in Ocean Grove. My family goes back with 125 years in the Asbury Park Ocean Grove area.

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My father, for example, spent all of his summers up until they joined the Army,

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staying with his aunt on the Sunset Avenue in Asbury Park and working as a locker boy at the North and

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and bad houses, so that goes back way ways, right?

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And my husband and I have been up till this summer,

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we're tenders for the last 42 years.

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Well, we're very familiar with Ocean Grove.

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It is a house where our personal youth

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is slowly and to share with our children.

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So we're here tonight to discuss the railing

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that we were going to install on the back steps

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to our house.

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And I'd like to bring up some points in four different areas.

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One is about the location, one is about the materials of the railing, then about the

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style of the railing and the safety considerations for the rail.

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So just very briefly, the location of the railing, it is the back of our house, it is not visible

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from the street, but from any angle, it is even not visible to our neighbors from their

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yards from their homes.

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So in fact the location is an area that was designated by this commission

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for the placement of a non-conforming outdoor condenser unit by the prior owner who had

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that installed it as part of a mini-slit system.

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That's the location of this rail.

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And in terms of the material, the,

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well, what I want to say, what is visible from the street

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are the raw iron railings, the existing raw iron railings,

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that are in the front of our home, leading from the sidewalk

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up to the front porch, and also on the west side of our home,

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there are steps and a side entrance into the house and both of those areas have matching

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brought iron railings that exist and excuse me those railings existed when you purchased

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the home.

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Correct.

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Correct.

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I don't know exactly when they passed on but they're not, they're not new by any means.

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No, no, no.

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I just wanted to clarify that you did not insure it, correct.

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Correct.

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Yes.

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is my understanding is that Rhode Island railings were very common and we're very

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common in the import external railings in the 1920s, the dating of our house is 1926 and

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it is my desire to be sent possible to comply with the design details of that house as we

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on the porch itself, there would be, okay, but leading up, not on the porch now, on

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the front porch is a wood rail, or round the front porch, yes, also on the front porch

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are going up, not as in the back, I think you're talking about what was built on the house,

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So obviously, when the house was built, it was built with work around these, correct?

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Well, you used to.

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On the porch.

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On the porch?

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By the distance up from the street.

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It's okay.

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So I think there was something supporting the steps going up to the porch.

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I think they did it to the rock-iron ground.

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In terms of the material, so our contractor bill had recommended that we consider heavy gauge,

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custom made powder coated aluminum for the railings, and that was part of the first proposal

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that I made to this commission. And that was rejected because of aluminum. And then

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I made second proposal which was brought iron. And my husband and I feel that brought iron

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or aluminum are is stirrier and stronger

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and will last longer than wood.

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In terms of the design, the proposed design

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is almost identical to the existing railings.

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It has molded, a molded hand rail,

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it has lambs, tongues, endings, which is what exists.

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The one difference is that we're proposing

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straight balusters rather than twisted balusters and the reason for that is just

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expense. So contractor has told me the twisted balusters would be an

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additional thousand dollars which I feel is a unnecessary financial bonus

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given that it's an almost unnoticeable difference the realis are not next to

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each other they're all on different sides of the house and again these

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railings are not visible at all from the street.

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So that is the difference in the design

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from the existing railings.

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So when you say the existing railings,

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you're not talking about your front porch railings,

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you're talking about the railings that are on the eastern

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west side and also the railings that are going down

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the front stairs.

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Correct, the handrails.

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Yeah, there's nothing on the east side.

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So the west side and the handrails going from the side

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walk right up to the front porch, okay.

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So, and then the last point I wanted to make

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is about safety, and oh, you can see there, I didn't realize that picture was

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made shown. That's the back steps that we're talking about, and you can see the

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condenser unit that is just at the end of there in that invisible spot in our

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backyard. And right now that's a very unsafe for us, because the

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Niagara both in our seventies, as I said, that's a 19-inch drop off the

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back. And in fact my son-in-law was luckily in his early forties and didn't get

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hurt, fell off the porch last weekend. And we're afraid of it, and afraid,

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especially when it rains, it tends to get slippery like the new boardwalk in

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So I'm here tonight because we're really looking to be able to install something in the near future.

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I've been at this since May.

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We'd really like to reach some agreement and get a really installed that needs everyone's approval.

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So thank you.

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Okay, thank you.

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Good like to start.

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I mean I can if you like.

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When I'd like to say a couple of things, please,

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seal it on my head.

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Just so everyone knows, the aluminum versus the rod iron.

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Most people don't even know the difference when

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I put up a railing without, oh, that's

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beautiful, rod iron.

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And it's actually aluminum.

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They don't even know.

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Looking at this right here, what would you think that is?

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Rod iron or aluminum?

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You can't tell.

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I know it's not wood.

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It's not wood.

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It's not wood, correct.

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Most people don't know.

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And I do have pictures of the design of what the railing will look like.

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If anyone's interested in seeing that.

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That's fine.

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Thank you.

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Jen, did you want to start?

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Yeah.

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Congratulations.

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I'm getting a house version, bro.

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Thank you.

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I think I didn't attend.

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What can I say?

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That's wonderful.

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I think there are two issues here.

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I don't know if other people agree with me.

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Who final-clad,

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your house?

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My Janus, your mic on?

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Yes.

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All right, here we go.

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Oh, our guidelines, our guidelines explicitly

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say that the materials are the problem.

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The other thing is your house.

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Yeah, you're probably playing a sentry house.

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The front yard shows.

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Obviously, rebuilding something that originally would have

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would have had a wood railing and wood railing is going up the stairs. So the

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iron railings can have are not original to your house.

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Iron railings are not, they could be yes.

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Ocean Grove railings, the images that I've seen especially for that house would not

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be appropriate.

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Add onto that and just see these two major issues and crux of the

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problem. I think Jenny, number four, because we have

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to follow our guidelines, page 23, number four, avoid vinyl clad, cast aluminum, cast

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iron, rot iron railings, and railings that are pressure treated. So those are the materials

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that are not allowed for railings. The railings that you're looking at to copy, let's say,

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are non-conforming rallies, so this board cannot prove another

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Additional non-conformity, which is the railings that you're proposing. We're more than happy for you to put up a railing on the back. I understand you need it, but it would either, and if you're not crazy about wood, there are ways to use ASAP for your vialisters with a wood bottom and a wood top rail. There is also an in-text system that is C-P-B-C railing that

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that you would also be able to use that as a group

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by the sport, but what you're proposing and the materials

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that it is made of are not approved by the sport,

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and the fact that you cannot see it really doesn't weigh in.

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Because if that is the case, then anything

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could be done on the work of the cops as an ocean group

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and be totally non-conforming.

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So in other words, whether it's seen or not seen,

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is still least important to the guidelines and this does not unfortunately but either one

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of those choices that I just mentioned would be like they're safe, they're sturdy, people

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have them, they're installed all over town so I don't think safety is an issue.

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How come this is a Victorian town, and these are Victorian style railings, why are they

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not performing?

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First of all, this is a town that has been deemed historic in terms of its period

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of significance. And all of the homes that are in this particular community need to follow

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these guidelines. So, if the guidelines state that the materials you're opposing are inappropriate

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and non-conforming, that's what we've got to do. We've got to follow it. And Rod iron railings,

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you mentioned earlier, were found in town. They were not on homes. Most of the railings, if not,

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all of the rallies in homes in OSU growth were wood.

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And if you said that you think maybe the

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rallies on that house might have been there from the 20s, they are still non-conforming according to our

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guidelines, and you offer no proof from old photos that they were, so it's only a guess.

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Can I use this?

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Yeah, sure, Jake.

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So because there's wood on the front of your house, which is probably original and potentially the iron railings we're headed later, I'm saying potentially.

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Because of course without photographs, we don't know and we have distinctive guidelines that we don't know.

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But the point here is that we're trying to avoid replicating non-conforming properties.

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people repeat what they see in town even if it's not conforming and conforming is

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because we want to maintain the flavor the uber of ocean growth and it's very

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important because all sides of the house potentially and we see at some point

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because of what happens in a town like this I don't even say what that is but

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But your house could be laid bare to eyes on all subjects, and so that's why it's very important to us to maintain that story of labor.

246
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I know this isn't what you want to hear.

247
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So what would is allowed?

248
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As Deb said, and she'll repeat it to you.

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If you are going to build a railing out of wood, all right, most all wood railings are

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mahogany.

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Now, very often that becomes costly, so the bottom rail and the top rail of a system

252
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can be mahogany, and the balusters can be azac, which kind of minimizes that rock factor

253
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that sometimes happens with balusters, which is probably what happened to your railings

254
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that went down the stairs, probably eventually brought in somebody decided to put in the

255
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rod on it. However, there is a system, CPDC system manufactured by INTEX, that very closely

256
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replicates a wood railing. And if you wanted to look into something that wasn't wood, you

257
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It's cellular PVC, so it is a composite material that can be painted, plastic cannot be painted.

258
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So cellular PVC can be painted.

259
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And Intex is a railing system that you can look into there too, so that the Intex is a

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computer.

261
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Okay, and we have approved, there are two systems.

262
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Nautilus and Dartmouth are the two styles that we approve.

263
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And understand the whole idea is that then those two systems mimic the whole idea of a traditional wood railing, right?

264
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Similar to Dartmouth.

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Dartmouth, like the college.

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Similar to what you have on the porch.

267
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I mean this porch on the other side has been built because it's made out of cement and you have great steps.

268
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That's not original to build it.

269
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But these two systems, again, are a way to get a traditional form, so that's the appearance,

270
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which is really a bit what Jane is talking about.

271
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Yes.

272
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You want to make the sense of the place.

273
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At some point, somebody could use these later or these things.

274
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Perfect.

275
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Thank you.

276
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You will find some broad iron railings around town, I'm not saying that you won't.

277
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But a lot of them were installed.

278
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First of all, either before the HPC was started, before I should go up gain to historic status or they were done on the weekend without approval.

279
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And that's also possible too.

280
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But because they are non-conforming, you cannot replicate a non-conforming design, which is what you're trying to do there.

281
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If I may, I have the intake, I understand you're concerned with safety.

282
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The intake system, which Deb has explained is a cellular PVC product, so a composite product

283
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has to be painted once you install it, once you paint it, the shape of it, the profile

284
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is indistinguishable from the historic wood ran, it would match pretty much what I think

285
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you already had on your porch.

286
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But the thing I wanted to get to know is that our porch is short and I'm sure it's not original because wood just doesn't, you know, it wouldn't hold up there.

287
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Well, that's not necessarily true.

288
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I have a house in Ocean Grove and my railings were under 15 years old.

289
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They were in bad shape but surprisingly not ramen through.

290
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So it can hold up if it's maintained with paint and sanding and the original replacement of pure pieces.

291
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But my point I wanted to get to is this intact system does have an extruded support metal bar inside the system.

292
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I'm familiar with it.

293
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If you insert with safety, I think it has a 200-pound green rating, which is, I think, what?

294
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So it's incredibly safe if that's what you're concerned with and it comes in the correct heights and they have no

295
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most of all those components, you could do it relatively easily and that rear system would match kind of what is

296
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appropriate for the style in Ocean Road but would give you the safety and peace of mind that you want.

297
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Okay, I mean, it's a viable option.

298
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Our guidelines prevent us, forbid us from approving this.

299
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We do see raw iron and cast iron in town sometimes, that's legal,

300
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and that's the offenses around properties, but not attached to the house.

301
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And the historic guidelines written by the architect to put them together was very specific

302
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that wood is attached to houses metal if used and is historic is infancy and the difference

303
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there is one's attached and one surrounds. I don't know if that helps or not but I want

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to make sure you know that this product is very durable. It's composite meaning it's going

305
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to last forever. All you have to do is occasionally paint it but very very safe as far as we

306
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I guess there's a primary concern.

307
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Just one more question.

308
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How come on the bill date in Oceans Grove,

309
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that's part of Oceans Grove, I think it,

310
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with the particular offices,

311
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but you're talking about the campaign associated.

312
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Thank you.

313
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,980
How come there's a little bit of railings out there?

314
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They were put in before HPC,

315
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had anything to say about anything in this town,

316
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and they've been very careful to not remove them

317
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because if they do remove them,

318
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they would be required to put in wood or intense.

319
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I also have a six-year table.

320
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Is this part?

321
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Today's effect is 8.6.

322
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It's about 40 years.

323
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40 years.

324
00:24:28,620 --> 00:24:28,700
Huh?

325
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,420
More than 40 years.

326
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More than 40 years ago.

327
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In the early 80s?

328
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Yeah.

329
00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:34,660
We have different.

330
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This set of guidelines to that.

331
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Yeah.

332
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This is the latest three-generation.

333
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More than two thousand times.

334
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They were updated.

335
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I know I know that the railing is on that building

336
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I'm throwing only 25 years old

337
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And certainly

338
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I've been doing this since I've been in the railing business my family since

339
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So if you've done railings and erosion road then none of these tools is a surprise.

340
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,620
Because if you're not doing it in town for this long you know that wood railings go on houses.

341
00:25:24,060 --> 00:25:25,040
So the question...

342
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,360
Yeah well I've always done more of the fence again.

343
00:25:27,780 --> 00:25:31,100
So the thing you have to discuss with your client is whether...

344
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And I've done the last five or six of them.

345
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There you go.

346
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:39,880
And fire sites traditionally are metal for the very nature of what they are to give people out.

347
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I've got wife, wife, wife, wife, wife, wife, wife, wife, wife.

348
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You are that good.

349
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Which traditionally arm metal.

350
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That's for sure obvious.

351
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For obvious reasons.

352
00:25:48,620 --> 00:25:49,720
Yeah, that's for sure.

353
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,020
But for sure, I only make you not so.

354
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,300
Now, I might be opening a can of worms,

355
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,920
but I want to be very careful here.

356
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,500
At the stair, how many stairs do you have up here?

357
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:02,940
You've got two.

358
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:03,540
Two.

359
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Two.

360
00:26:04,460 --> 00:26:05,440
No, that's not a board.

361
00:26:05,620 --> 00:26:07,320
You want to just make sure the front.

362
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,580
No, no, no, no, no, this is what you're

363
00:26:09,580 --> 00:26:11,380
Oh, there are two steps in there.

364
00:26:11,660 --> 00:26:14,300
And the height of that depth is 19 inches.

365
00:26:14,660 --> 00:26:14,840
Okay.

366
00:26:15,580 --> 00:26:16,040
You're good.

367
00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:17,700
Your 19 inches is all great.

368
00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:18,480
Yeah.

369
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:21,460
So if it's 19 inches of upgrade,

370
00:26:21,700 --> 00:26:23,760
you can even play in a 30 inch high railing

371
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,640
unless you want it to go higher.

372
00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:26,820
That's your choice.

373
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,920
The reason depth says this is,

374
00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:31,840
in Ocean Road, there's a historic allowance

375
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that lets you put in a 30 inch rail instead of 36,

376
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which is typical code.

377
00:26:36,740 --> 00:26:36,880
Right.

378
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:43,240
A lot of older houses have window ledges that are down around 30 inches and you want to be able to look at your window that I was seeing.

379
00:26:44,660 --> 00:26:51,040
But in your case, I don't think that's the issue. Safety seems like more than issues, so you'll probably want the 36 inch items.

380
00:26:52,140 --> 00:26:53,200
And that is permitted.

381
00:26:54,940 --> 00:27:01,920
The only thing I would reiterate, I said it already, but the intact systems do have to be needed, but once put it, they last.

382
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:07,650
I think it will solve your problem. And it's something we can approve.

383
00:27:08,190 --> 00:27:10,930
Yeah. I think they're going to prove it intact.

384
00:27:11,230 --> 00:27:23,470
We can. If you decide to go with the intact system, then what you would need to do is simply sketch out or pick the new holes that you're going to use.

385
00:27:23,470 --> 00:27:25,870
and it looks like you're going to need one, two, three, noodles.

386
00:27:27,210 --> 00:27:30,470
The railing would attach to the house at a new wall

387
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:32,330
and then across the wall.

388
00:27:34,570 --> 00:27:36,070
Four, one, two, three.

389
00:27:36,090 --> 00:27:37,430
Oh, what a desire for it.

390
00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:39,990
So four, he would need four.

391
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:41,790
So are we...

392
00:27:41,790 --> 00:27:43,010
Wait a minute, one, two, three.

393
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:43,590
I'm still counting.

394
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:46,830
He would be able to hit the back, one on the front, and two on the back.

395
00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:49,630
So three on the landing, one down the bottom of the step.

396
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:53,270
Generally on the landing, the railings die into the house.

397
00:27:53,270 --> 00:27:55,090
You don't put an empty out place in there.

398
00:27:55,450 --> 00:27:55,670
Okay.

399
00:27:56,130 --> 00:27:58,490
The top rail and the bottom rail die.

400
00:27:58,750 --> 00:27:59,430
You die in the ass.

401
00:27:59,630 --> 00:27:59,830
Okay.

402
00:28:00,150 --> 00:28:02,010
So that only goes through three.

403
00:28:02,370 --> 00:28:02,590
Okay.

404
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:03,470
Three renewals.

405
00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:05,890
Save you a little money there too.

406
00:28:06,090 --> 00:28:06,250
Yeah.

407
00:28:06,970 --> 00:28:07,450
Okay.

408
00:28:07,690 --> 00:28:11,810
Now I think you have the option to, you can take a vote on this.

409
00:28:11,890 --> 00:28:12,410
Am I correct?

410
00:28:12,730 --> 00:28:14,910
Or you can withdraw this application.

411
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:18,350
And then simply come back to a tech meeting on Tuesday.

412
00:28:18,610 --> 00:28:19,110
As a customer.

413
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:20,330
To a manager application.

414
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:22,910
And you just amend the application you are behalf.

415
00:28:22,910 --> 00:28:25,350
It doesn't cost anything more to frame the amendment,

416
00:28:25,630 --> 00:28:27,570
and you just give us the system you want to use

417
00:28:27,570 --> 00:28:28,950
which would be a intake system.

418
00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:31,410
That would be easy, because-

419
00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:31,830
Lord would.

420
00:28:32,090 --> 00:28:32,410
Lord would.

421
00:28:32,770 --> 00:28:35,170
Whatever you'd choose, you want us to vote here

422
00:28:35,170 --> 00:28:38,270
if it gets denied, then you start a new application

423
00:28:38,270 --> 00:28:41,350
with Heather on Tuesday, which doesn't make sense.

424
00:28:41,570 --> 00:28:42,730
I don't know, but-

425
00:28:42,730 --> 00:28:44,450
Because you are going to deny it, right?

426
00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:46,550
Well, I think that's how you got to be-

427
00:28:46,550 --> 00:28:49,270
I don't think we can pass it.

428
00:28:49,770 --> 00:28:55,750
We would be voting in violation of our very own guidelines, which is not something that we can do.

429
00:28:56,130 --> 00:28:58,970
They don't just think there's a lot of wrong with the emphasis.

430
00:28:59,270 --> 00:29:00,110
And that will be significant.

431
00:29:00,890 --> 00:29:00,990
Yes.

432
00:29:01,670 --> 00:29:05,650
For the people that need to be approved on Tuesday.

433
00:29:06,090 --> 00:29:06,230
Yes.

434
00:29:06,690 --> 00:29:06,830
Right.

435
00:29:06,970 --> 00:29:08,670
We need to be approved on Tuesday.

436
00:29:09,450 --> 00:29:11,390
And they give me the title of that step.

437
00:29:11,610 --> 00:29:13,170
But I'm probably the only one who comes with that.

438
00:29:14,170 --> 00:29:16,610
But even the following Tuesday was the following.

439
00:29:16,610 --> 00:29:18,570
the thought of the final.

440
00:29:19,270 --> 00:29:20,870
All right.

441
00:29:21,330 --> 00:29:22,010
Thank you.

442
00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:22,630
Thank you.

443
00:29:22,790 --> 00:29:23,250
Thank you.

444
00:29:23,810 --> 00:29:24,650
So what's your plan?

445
00:29:24,810 --> 00:29:28,510
So what your plan is, then, you're going to withdraw this

446
00:29:28,510 --> 00:29:33,990
application and submit an amended application to the HPC.

447
00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:37,130
And it says here the application has deemed incomplete.

448
00:29:37,410 --> 00:29:38,130
That's how you look.

449
00:29:39,310 --> 00:29:40,710
Well, that's different.

450
00:29:41,130 --> 00:29:41,710
That's different.

451
00:29:41,910 --> 00:29:42,630
Don't even move.

452
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:46,430
The decision you have to make now is whether you want the vote

453
00:29:46,430 --> 00:29:51,970
did not start all over with a new application or you want to rescind your

454
00:29:51,970 --> 00:29:57,290
application and submit an amended plan, it applies with the comments and that's

455
00:29:57,290 --> 00:29:59,810
what you're interested in. Oh, so there we go. That's the best question.

456
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,080
I think it has to. It's the easiest. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

457
00:30:09,140 --> 00:30:28,010
Welcome. Thank you. Oh, are those papers? Oh, never mind. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you. All right. So application is for 146. We're going to be hearing the first thing

458
00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:06,290
everybody.

459
00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:10,210
Thank you for taking the time.

460
00:31:12,970 --> 00:31:14,350
We'll go over to you.

461
00:31:14,910 --> 00:31:16,870
Hopefully we'll be able to be done tonight.

462
00:31:18,050 --> 00:31:19,450
Nice to see you both again.

463
00:31:19,910 --> 00:31:19,930
Yes.

464
00:31:22,210 --> 00:31:22,690
Okay.

465
00:31:22,830 --> 00:31:24,950
Can you state your names for the record?

466
00:31:25,270 --> 00:31:26,690
Are you the applicants?

467
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:30,050
And you are the architect.

468
00:31:30,450 --> 00:31:32,710
Okay. So, why don't I go with you for a second?

469
00:31:33,310 --> 00:31:34,730
How about you both raise your raise?

470
00:31:34,730 --> 00:31:39,470
Do you swear or burn the testimony you'll be giving tonight will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

471
00:31:39,730 --> 00:31:39,930
I do.

472
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:42,510
Okay, so would you each state your name to the record?

473
00:31:42,850 --> 00:31:44,350
I may be counted from the record.

474
00:31:45,550 --> 00:31:46,790
May I have your name?

475
00:31:47,270 --> 00:31:49,210
N-C-K-E-N-A.

476
00:31:49,450 --> 00:31:49,790
Okay.

477
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:50,730
N-A-E.

478
00:31:51,130 --> 00:31:51,690
I'm sorry?

479
00:31:52,010 --> 00:31:52,630
M-A-E.

480
00:31:52,930 --> 00:31:53,410
N-A-E.

481
00:31:53,730 --> 00:31:53,790
Okay.

482
00:31:55,910 --> 00:31:56,790
Mayor Arman.

483
00:31:57,270 --> 00:31:58,610
A-R-A-M-A.

484
00:31:59,330 --> 00:32:00,050
Thank you.

485
00:32:00,390 --> 00:32:00,690
Thank you.

486
00:32:03,740 --> 00:32:04,120
Okay.

487
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:13,540
I wonder, would it be possible to just pull up large the houses fragmentation?

488
00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:15,300
These are the old...

489
00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:17,160
I was going to say they look like...

490
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,660
Yeah, that was the number one.

491
00:32:19,340 --> 00:32:20,080
Yeah, they're not.

492
00:32:21,740 --> 00:32:23,840
That's why I wanted it, because I'm looking at it.

493
00:32:23,940 --> 00:32:29,140
Yes, but the ones that say like 702, 703, I think those are the more recent ones.

494
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:31,900
Yeah, the ones at the bottom.

495
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:14,880
Yeah, we'll look it into that, but I need to find one for the system and I'm not going to be at one point in the board, so I'm going to go ahead and

496
00:33:18,750 --> 00:33:20,490
find one for the system that works out.

497
00:33:25,230 --> 00:33:26,250
Good for you.

498
00:33:26,590 --> 00:33:27,630
Maybe it's always prepared.

499
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:28,870
We've seen it.

500
00:33:33,290 --> 00:33:34,410
That's a good tie.

501
00:33:34,590 --> 00:33:35,190
That's perfect.

502
00:34:01,260 --> 00:34:02,380
100 percent for

503
00:36:45,930 --> 00:36:46,910
the picture of the upper left?

504
00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:47,550
The upper left?

505
00:36:48,170 --> 00:36:49,170
How about the upper left?

506
00:37:04,650 --> 00:37:09,670
We want to tell a little later about height and survive to this, to Kellogg, you know,

507
00:37:09,770 --> 00:37:12,290
this elevation, this style shape,

508
00:37:24,750 --> 00:37:29,740
and we have gotten approval for the footprint through

509
00:37:29,740 --> 00:37:30,200
Zo Man.

510
00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:35,760
So we did it one straight too far and then came down to changing the housing so that the

511
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,360
house was all so similar.

512
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,140
So this one gave

513
00:37:42,220 --> 00:37:46,260
a little bit steeper, more importance with what you see around the ocean

514
00:37:46,260 --> 00:37:46,600
groove.

515
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,680
The door on the side is just for the stairs.

516
00:37:49,860 --> 00:37:50,520
So you can go on the clear

517
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,300
objective, kind of just blend it in with everything else.

518
00:37:56,420 --> 00:37:58,100
I know you guys approved dormitants.

519
00:38:02,690 --> 00:38:10,050
Initially, on all three houses, had two to three stories worth of full front forges and kind

520
00:38:10,050 --> 00:38:10,630
of pulled back.

521
00:38:10,730 --> 00:38:14,510
So this was just a way to try to break up the

522
00:38:23,660 --> 00:38:24,060
story.

523
00:38:24,060 --> 00:38:26,240
It's a little hard to tell in the flash if you're

524
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,560
just a little about getting on the

525
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:38,580
second floor that's under the roof, the third story that comes out over the day and like

526
00:38:38,580 --> 00:38:39,060
squares.

527
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:51,630
Maybe I asked the drummer since back in my direction.

528
00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:52,170
Yes, it does.

529
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:56,910
So these houses sit up a little bit on the top of your block.

530
00:38:57,130 --> 00:39:04,840
Yeah, so I'm not sure if you weren't out of sight, but it is a lot higher yet.

531
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:10,340
But what was I remember in tech that that door were all those were prominent in this straight on it

532
00:39:10,340 --> 00:39:17,180
It's actually our less visible on the actual site because of where it's located on the property and where the property is

533
00:39:17,180 --> 00:39:18,880
I just want to make sure that's clear.

534
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,300
Yeah, and we can look at the other.

535
00:39:20,580 --> 00:39:27,040
But I just thought let's just kind of look at this for materials and a few other things.

536
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:34,540
Now you said that that front face and gable that the roof is going to come out over that little

537
00:39:34,540 --> 00:39:39,180
kind of falconette that's off to the right correct and those two columns are

538
00:39:39,180 --> 00:39:44,040
obviously holding it up. What about on the other side does it just kind of can't

539
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:49,420
to leave her out in space? Yeah it's only, if I remember correctly it's only like a

540
00:39:49,420 --> 00:39:53,460
one foot six. So those columns aren't as far forward as about

541
00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:57,700
being able to continue to extend past it which you can see. I can see it out with the

542
00:39:57,700 --> 00:40:02,040
new old post because the new old post seems to extend. Yes so the columns are

543
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,360
holding it up on the right side and then the bay window, the way the walls of the bay would

544
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:13,760
hold up the other side. Understood. Okay. Now the materials that you plan to be using on

545
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:20,680
this. And the individual shingles. Okay, now when you say individual shingles, what are they

546
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:25,100
going to be made of? The hardy work shingles. Okay, individual shingles. All right, because

547
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:33,020
is hardy now makes runs so you realize you're going to be cutting them apart, is that

548
00:40:33,020 --> 00:40:33,380
true?

549
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,480
No, they don't solve this.

550
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:35,840
No, they don't.

551
00:40:36,540 --> 00:40:41,000
No, they only make the runs.

552
00:40:41,380 --> 00:40:49,380
They don't make, so you're either going to have to go with a real shape, a wood shape.

553
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:56,980
There is a material that's on the market called News Theater, that's paintable, that is paintable, yes.

554
00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:02,760
And you could use that, which is a, I don't know what it's made out of.

555
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,260
It's probably, I think it's some kind of CPC, yeah.

556
00:41:07,060 --> 00:41:10,560
But no, hardly eliminated the individual shakes.

557
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,200
Unfortunately, damn.

558
00:41:14,660 --> 00:41:16,820
Okay, so we'll do whatever you want.

559
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:23,100
Well, no, it's just that we don't improve it anymore because unfortunately that run that

560
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:28,840
they used to make is very flat, you know, and it really doesn't look like a shake.

561
00:41:29,580 --> 00:41:36,040
It's just pressed into the material, so it doesn't have much of a... it does look very

562
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:36,320
fake.

563
00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:38,200
All right.

564
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:44,820
And are those rafter tails that I'm seeing underneath that roof is on the first floor?

565
00:41:45,140 --> 00:41:45,280
Yes.

566
00:41:45,740 --> 00:41:45,920
Nice.

567
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:51,720
Yeah, and they also, um, there's a note somewhere that says the rafter tails are exposed

568
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:52,480
on the side as well.

569
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:54,700
But I think you can see it in the elevation.

570
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:03,720
Now the, um, windows that you're using are the Anderson 400 series, okay, and the coloration

571
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:05,780
to be a dark sash, some of their.

572
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,640
These ones will be painted, but then they won't anyone's.

573
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,560
The other houses, so just a couple of the way they come.

574
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,640
But these ones just to break it up again.

575
00:42:14,940 --> 00:42:18,100
Yeah, no, I think the dark sash is very handsome.

576
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,320
Anderson comes with the dark sash.

577
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:22,420
Okay, I'll just tell you, painting them

578
00:42:22,420 --> 00:42:23,400
or are you going to order them?

579
00:42:23,660 --> 00:42:24,000
These?

580
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:24,980
They'd come with us.

581
00:42:24,980 --> 00:42:26,460
They do look like a bronze when I was a kid.

582
00:42:26,460 --> 00:42:28,540
Yes, you guys like that, come.

583
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,480
Yeah, we have approved it.

584
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:30,860
Yes.

585
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:46,640
I think they all have very few colors, black, dark bronze, the bronze is a nice, little

586
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:54,320
softer. Black is looking very contemporary. We have approved it, but now that we've seen

587
00:42:54,320 --> 00:43:01,820
it. It looks very good. The material I was kind of scrolling through here before and I

588
00:43:01,820 --> 00:43:08,180
noticed that you had thermatrued dorses. Has that been changed? That is the old one.

589
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:13,760
Okay, thank you. To what? To good? Yes. Okay. Oh,

590
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,580
dorses. Okay, so that will be for the front.

591
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,380
First floor and also the second. Correct. Okay, thank you. All right.

592
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,080
I'm sorry, I was on a roll.

593
00:43:29,860 --> 00:43:31,440
You have any more questions?

594
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,460
No, you can keep going.

595
00:43:35,980 --> 00:43:40,040
I wouldn't bet this is, I wasn't sure what it was,

596
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,080
but I wouldn't necessarily take it as colonial revival,

597
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:45,060
especially because of the pinch of the roof.

598
00:43:45,260 --> 00:43:48,160
I'm wondering if you had a certain, if you had seen something in town

599
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,160
that gave you some inspiration for this, especially the pinch of that roof.

600
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,820
The incredible size of the dormer,

601
00:43:54,820 --> 00:43:58,220
When a dormer is usually just a single window.

602
00:43:59,340 --> 00:44:01,680
You can think of it as you put up the side elevation

603
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,400
so that we can see that dormer.

604
00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:04,820
How big is that dormer?

605
00:44:04,820 --> 00:44:05,780
It's also a little gap.

606
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:08,880
It isn't unusual to approach there in the base.

607
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,440
When I think of colonial revival in town,

608
00:44:12,740 --> 00:44:14,260
I think of four squares,

609
00:44:15,220 --> 00:44:17,480
I think of Dutch colonials,

610
00:44:18,340 --> 00:44:21,000
four squares slash crafts in the entire thing.

611
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:30,500
This seems to me not related to those very traditional forms, so I'm wondering what your inspiration was.

612
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:36,140
Well, the inspiration came from the American book, but the American has a book.

613
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:40,960
Yeah, there was just a book. I might get a book, oh no, that's not what it was.

614
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,520
It's probably the same one, which is, of course.

615
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,060
How big is that door?

616
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:59,320
It's a double window with stuff on the side, so I'm just wondering, because it is rather large, and it should be quite small.

617
00:45:00,370 --> 00:45:22,490
Well, I guess the stair is running up the right side, so it's just enough to get headroom going up the stairs. How big is it? I'm off-hand, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's probably, probably in the seven-foot range. Because I think it's a little bit too, maybe it's a little... That's where I think for a door, but it's quite a wide door.

618
00:45:25,070 --> 00:45:29,690
Do you have the lower plan that would show the location of those stairs?

619
00:45:29,690 --> 00:45:33,490
So it's absolutely necessary to have that wire dormant.

620
00:45:33,530 --> 00:45:34,690
It's the zone.

621
00:45:38,450 --> 00:45:38,770
Okay.

622
00:45:39,710 --> 00:45:42,570
Based on the configuration of the house.

623
00:45:43,070 --> 00:45:43,250
Right.

624
00:45:43,830 --> 00:45:44,830
And the pitch of the roof.

625
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:46,090
We did.

626
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:51,530
It was the constraints of what had been approved by zoning.

627
00:45:51,850 --> 00:45:57,410
So we were restricted by having appropriate pitch roof while also not exceeding.

628
00:45:57,410 --> 00:46:10,730
behind that we had gotten approved and he has raised their work. That's where you land with. I think it's a sudden foot plate height for the sake of the state of the union, at least 60 to come up off the stairs.

629
00:46:14,090 --> 00:46:14,630
Look

630
00:46:23,490 --> 00:46:32,290
at this. It seems to have some elements of colonial, colonial robotic architecture that not to be a synthetic example.

631
00:46:32,290 --> 00:46:35,670
that would victimize that I just be a better move.

632
00:46:35,930 --> 00:46:37,870
No, I mean, if you want colonial revival,

633
00:46:37,870 --> 00:46:41,430
it was perfectly legitimate style for a portion of growth.

634
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:44,690
There's so many examples of it.

635
00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:48,510
Because this, again, seems like you have discrete elements,

636
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:50,470
but you don't have a synthetic hole

637
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:54,210
that looks like a traditional form.

638
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:58,470
There's a big dormer who had the second floor,

639
00:47:00,670 --> 00:47:02,730
really juliette, not sure what it is.

640
00:47:02,730 --> 00:47:06,330
to have more of a picture of and just trying to figure out how to

641
00:47:06,330 --> 00:47:09,730
discuss together under the rubric of colonial revival.

642
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:12,610
So that's just my question about back.

643
00:47:12,650 --> 00:47:15,550
Can we ask another question about my question?

644
00:47:15,790 --> 00:47:15,910
Windows?

645
00:47:16,530 --> 00:47:18,730
Oh, can I have a question for you on that point?

646
00:47:19,250 --> 00:47:19,330
Yeah.

647
00:47:20,990 --> 00:47:23,210
Again, because I'm relatively new.

648
00:47:23,550 --> 00:47:28,070
Do we feel the need to label new architectural styles?

649
00:47:29,110 --> 00:47:31,310
They are the mix of everything that we have.

650
00:47:31,310 --> 00:47:35,090
You can't, you can't really do something that is a mix of everything in town.

651
00:47:35,310 --> 00:47:37,770
Or a lane towards a particular spot.

652
00:47:38,010 --> 00:47:38,590
8 or 6.

653
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:40,830
6.

654
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:44,210
6.

655
00:47:44,450 --> 00:47:45,050
6.

656
00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:45,590
6.

657
00:47:46,610 --> 00:47:47,210
6.

658
00:47:47,350 --> 00:47:47,950
6.

659
00:47:48,170 --> 00:47:48,770
6.

660
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:54,450
we'll consider mass proportions, architectural style, women's and relationships, blah blah blah.

661
00:47:54,770 --> 00:47:58,370
The reason I'm asking this is, I thought the techniques are really quite informative,

662
00:47:58,570 --> 00:48:00,710
they're just particular, all of these projects.

663
00:48:01,310 --> 00:48:03,090
And they said, pick a style.

664
00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:05,070
Pick a style.

665
00:48:05,250 --> 00:48:09,430
And when you have a blank slate, you guys have a blank slate, there's nothing there,

666
00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:13,550
that you can stick

667
00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:16,680
with the style.

668
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,660
I mean, of course, some of the houses are now

669
00:48:18,660 --> 00:48:21,020
when God has got the sort of money.

670
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,360
This is how I got it.

671
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:23,840
The money don't take so many years.

672
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,860
I guess I would have a question then.

673
00:48:28,420 --> 00:48:31,020
Clearly, there are colonial revival elements here.

674
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:31,600
There are.

675
00:48:31,820 --> 00:48:38,180
And as an applicant, whether they're enough or not,

676
00:48:39,180 --> 00:48:42,240
it's not enough, it's whether those are actually fit

677
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:45,430
together

678
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:46,750
to be colonial revival.

679
00:48:46,970 --> 00:48:48,830
There's seem to be some things I've never seen before.

680
00:48:52,090 --> 00:48:58,450
I do. I think the applicant, though, has told us where they came from. You referenced

681
00:48:58,450 --> 00:49:03,670
the American houses and be back through the tab. The question we have to, of course,

682
00:49:03,770 --> 00:49:10,630
address is what we think it's colonial or Bible, not to ask for the threshold. But if

683
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:14,170
this is what you presented, we have to take it out. This is your application.

684
00:49:14,170 --> 00:49:15,210
Now, here I am now.

685
00:49:19,980 --> 00:49:20,440
Fantastic.

686
00:49:20,820 --> 00:49:29,440
Jenny, is it the deepness of the pitch of that front facing gable, that is kind of throwing

687
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:30,740
things off a little bit?

688
00:49:30,820 --> 00:49:33,880
That's who he's not asked, but also they have a certain zoning.

689
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,180
No, but what I'm just wondering is that it's very pitched to me.

690
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:41,400
They've had it on the old revival.

691
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,720
It's not having a super pitch through.

692
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,600
They tend to have a broader, a broader, a broader.

693
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:47,840
I'm

694
00:49:54,430 --> 00:49:57,510
sorry for getting on the side, the side image.

695
00:49:57,970 --> 00:50:00,710
I'm also wondering a bit about window placements.

696
00:50:01,030 --> 00:50:03,550
There are some window placements that are...

697
00:50:03,550 --> 00:50:05,490
We're checking the north side or the south side.

698
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:10,470
In north side.

699
00:50:10,690 --> 00:50:12,170
I believe it is the north side.

700
00:50:12,670 --> 00:50:13,850
But there are some...

701
00:50:13,850 --> 00:50:16,430
There are some extremely close to the back of the house.

702
00:50:16,610 --> 00:50:17,990
So that would be the north side.

703
00:50:18,750 --> 00:50:19,630
They're very, very close.

704
00:50:19,830 --> 00:50:20,670
Your window...

705
00:50:20,670 --> 00:50:23,330
Your window placements...

706
00:50:23,850 --> 00:50:24,590
Very heavy.

707
00:50:24,770 --> 00:50:26,910
We'll always know that this is a new building.

708
00:50:26,910 --> 00:50:32,210
And I really could trace it as a new building because you are deciding from the inside out where it's traditional

709
00:50:32,210 --> 00:50:38,310
in these houses would be designed to be outside in, and much more attention to symmetry and balance.

710
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:45,250
But to have the window so close, I'm wondering exactly how close on the, it is the south side.

711
00:50:45,550 --> 00:50:47,810
It's never both. Both sides actually.

712
00:50:48,030 --> 00:50:49,310
Both sides actually are.

713
00:50:49,710 --> 00:50:52,030
Yes, and now I agree with you.

714
00:50:52,030 --> 00:51:04,050
It's extremely close to the edges because this board in the past, it's no good reason because nobody put a window that close to the edge of their house.

715
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:09,870
What is going on in the floor plan that they have to be so close to the edge?

716
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:14,050
They don't have to be. I actually took that specifically.

717
00:51:14,050 --> 00:51:19,150
Like then being back close to the corner, I took, again, from the American, but I was

718
00:51:19,150 --> 00:51:24,890
in a kind of colonial revival that's not necessarily the case, but they're a foot from each corner.

719
00:51:25,630 --> 00:51:30,970
And it doesn't look like it, but if you zoom in on it, it's a 4-inch trim around the window.

720
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:32,310
There's about 4 inches.

721
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:35,110
Yeah, it's possible.

722
00:51:35,230 --> 00:51:37,230
It's a 4-inch or 4-inch post.

723
00:51:37,770 --> 00:51:43,450
And that's in, like if it was balloon-training back in the day, you'd have probably about an

724
00:51:43,450 --> 00:51:51,990
by 8 in the corner or 6 by 6 in the more and then a couple more inches and they are extremely close to the edges.

725
00:51:52,350 --> 00:51:59,950
I think they need to, yeah I have to agree I think those windows need to be pulled to center more.

726
00:52:00,390 --> 00:52:03,910
All 4th and the ones on the other elevation as well.

727
00:52:04,130 --> 00:52:07,390
I think that would be much more, I think it would help.

728
00:52:07,390 --> 00:52:17,270
And again, it's a modern building, a house built in 1920 would have much more to sit and try, but

729
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:22,030
oh yeah, look, they're incredibly close to that front-engine, they are.

730
00:52:22,830 --> 00:52:27,130
You know what that does visually is it makes you think, I know it won't make you think the building's going to fall down.

731
00:52:27,830 --> 00:52:31,530
It is a visual thing as well. I know the building won't fall down.

732
00:52:31,530 --> 00:52:39,170
but lining the numbers you did is traditional. That's very traditional. That's perfect.

733
00:52:39,810 --> 00:52:44,590
What else do you want to look at? Yeah, I think so. I think we need to see the rear elevation.

734
00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:50,030
So you want to scroll up a little bit or just go down there.

735
00:52:50,310 --> 00:52:58,490
Down? Yeah. You usually do front. There you go. That's the rear.

736
00:52:59,930 --> 00:53:02,910
That's the most successful one, which

737
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,860
is one over one to do in colonial revival, which is perfectly reasonable.

738
00:53:21,260 --> 00:53:23,220
Yeah, one over one is exactly.

739
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:31,580
Now, the porch itself, that little porch you realize that you have, I'm looking at it from the side, forget it.

740
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,020
I was going to question something.

741
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,560
I see that it looks like about a three-foot landing.

742
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:41,260
Yeah, it's a little bit more like that, but you know, that's a great idea.

743
00:53:47,290 --> 00:53:49,690
Maybe I'm just a dormer pitch person, but

744
00:53:51,930 --> 00:53:53,550
by the fact that I need...

745
00:53:54,900 --> 00:53:56,180
The pitch could have been changed.

746
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,440
In the mind, the only one who sees it that way, I see it that way, I see it that way.

747
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,180
No, but what were we talking about the Windows?

748
00:54:01,940 --> 00:54:06,140
I'm gonna check that the Windows and the pitch have been moved as far as we know.

749
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,560
I'm just wondering, is there a way to put up...

750
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,840
with three men that make it more colonial-revised on that rail.

751
00:54:13,860 --> 00:54:18,640
Right now, it's like this, like this, or like this.

752
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,960
So I think we have to be careful.

753
00:54:23,460 --> 00:54:26,240
I know we're not supposed to be designed for that type of design.

754
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,860
So we have to write this on what the applicant is presented to us.

755
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:34,200
Peter meets the fair minimum of what we think all applies,

756
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,880
or does not in which case our votes should reflect that, I think.

757
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:47,340
I think so, but I think that, yeah, that's what I was going to say too, because I don't think anybody's going to vote for with those windows located where they are.

758
00:54:47,740 --> 00:54:48,640
So it goes to the end.

759
00:54:48,700 --> 00:55:00,200
That's true, but we have a lot of applicants to go for a vote with sort of an addendum or a console saying we will agree to revise the windows.

760
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:06,520
unless this sounds a little bit more substantial to me.

761
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:08,980
The windows, the picture, the roof.

762
00:55:09,580 --> 00:55:11,160
I'm not certain that the normal size

763
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,820
is really negotiable given that you have a stair there

764
00:55:14,820 --> 00:55:17,040
which is set and you have the head heights

765
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,100
that are very close to the 7-foot that you are showing.

766
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,600
6-8 is pretty darn close.

767
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,220
Pointless is not going to make a difference.

768
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,160
I do think that if the windows and the rear on both sides

769
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:34,160
but pulled in a little, to give a little margin, that would be a very important improvement.

770
00:55:34,540 --> 00:55:38,540
The pitch does not bother me so much, nor does the size of the dormant again for the reasons

771
00:55:38,540 --> 00:55:41,400
I mentioned earlier, where it's located and with building sense.

772
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:46,540
But those windows could definitely be added as a condition of a group, in my opinion, but

773
00:55:46,540 --> 00:55:49,340
other members might advise you other times.

774
00:55:49,660 --> 00:55:51,800
Later, we're saying how far into call them.

775
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,740
At least the distance of the windows that are on the grid.

776
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:12,900
I think both of you from the corner, I think I would say that I have to, I take that back

777
00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:14,780
as far as putting a number on it.

778
00:56:14,980 --> 00:56:24,000
I would say if they were pulled towards center, both second and first floor on both ends to visually balance that elevation,

779
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:30,580
then I think that would be fine, and I would do that on both the East and West elevations.

780
00:56:30,940 --> 00:56:32,060
Art and Art and Style.

781
00:56:32,940 --> 00:56:36,300
No, thanks, Jeff, for getting which William Warren's goes.

782
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:43,200
You know, I'm so used to streets running to the ocean, you know, for getting this run to the west.

783
00:56:44,580 --> 00:56:47,740
Can you just put up the front elevation one more time?

784
00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:48,720
I just want to look out.

785
00:56:55,060 --> 00:57:04,560
I have to say that we're seeing the elevation head on and if we're looking from the street, we're not looking at on, we're looking up.

786
00:57:05,220 --> 00:57:06,420
We're not pointing at them.

787
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:11,180
Yeah, I hear what you're saying, Jim, but I have to kind of agree with Jeff on this.

788
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,620
It doesn't bother me as much as those windows do.

789
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:24,820
They're falling off the house, but they're too close to the edges, you know, they look teetering on the edge.

790
00:57:25,780 --> 00:57:27,420
So it's self-designed.

791
00:57:29,820 --> 00:57:31,200
It's not like it's just fun.

792
00:57:31,380 --> 00:57:35,560
If you guys are asking for too many fillings in there, then we have to worry about where the walls are inside.

793
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:41,100
But if it's just to get it a little more balanced, I think it's doable.

794
00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:45,500
So my question is, what will we be voting on?

795
00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:51,920
Now, it could be just to approve subject to amended plans

796
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,780
moving the window of the actuses.

797
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,780
Or are we voting on to approve amended plans

798
00:57:57,780 --> 00:58:00,160
to change the pitch of the roof, change the windows?

799
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:01,880
We've already got.

800
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:03,240
No, I'm not upset.

801
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:04,660
I'm upset we've been voting against it.

802
00:58:04,700 --> 00:58:07,960
That's a good vote against it, other people can vote for it.

803
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:09,960
OK, so let me just say.

804
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,180
It's limited the window like it's doable beyond that idea.

805
00:58:13,460 --> 00:58:14,600
Beyond that, I think that's great.

806
00:58:14,900 --> 00:58:18,780
Okay, so that's what it is, it's definitely normal in tech, I would assume.

807
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:19,120
Yeah.

808
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,660
Well, wait, but I just want to say there are a few other conditions that would be, the

809
00:58:23,660 --> 00:58:25,580
proof would be subject to that we're discussed.

810
00:58:26,020 --> 00:58:26,300
Okay.

811
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,640
The one is no hearty plank shingles.

812
00:58:29,940 --> 00:58:30,480
That's correct.

813
00:58:30,740 --> 00:58:30,860
Right.

814
00:58:31,140 --> 00:58:32,720
The individual is in live shakes.

815
00:58:33,140 --> 00:58:37,680
In the third floor, maybe they have to choose them, choose them.

816
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:38,980
That would be a suggestion.

817
00:58:38,980 --> 00:58:43,680
of a material form. Yes. Just a catalog cut of the material. Right. The

818
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:48,000
applicants are already acknowledged that they were attending to do so. Okay. The

819
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,500
conditions have to justify that. Right. Verify. Another condition would be

820
00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:58,820
switching it out to bronze windows. Bronze, the Anderson bronze windows, which

821
00:58:58,820 --> 00:59:02,940
is that proposed on here? I wouldn't make it a condition because they have the right

822
00:59:02,940 --> 00:59:07,020
proposal painted. They have the right to put in white windows painted and they

823
00:59:07,020 --> 00:59:16,000
have a right to amend it to a pre-colored window if they wanted it's not okay and what

824
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:25,700
doors have all said they proposed they did propose that was a document and for the record

825
00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:31,800
there is no pool on this application and I think that's something that you have you are

826
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,120
We're stating that through the record that that is not part of this act.

827
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,740
I don't have plans before us showing a fool.

828
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:43,200
No, but it is in the application, yes, in this, so I want to clarify that.

829
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,380
Okay, so now I understand that that is what you will be doing.

830
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:49,100
Okay, good.

831
00:59:49,300 --> 00:59:50,660
Okay, so can we take a vote?

832
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:51,660
Is that good or are we?

833
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:52,020
I'm good.

834
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:53,640
I think we've clarified what it is.

835
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:54,200
Other record?

836
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:55,960
So now it's up to you, folks, too.

837
00:59:56,300 --> 00:59:56,680
Let's move.

838
00:59:57,140 --> 00:59:57,420
All right.

839
00:59:57,420 --> 00:59:59,420
Wait, should we open it for public comment?

840
00:59:59,580 --> 00:59:59,700
Yes.

841
01:00:09,610 --> 01:00:16,930
All right, so now close to the public portion and ask for a motion, drop some Raid's sold.

842
01:00:16,930 --> 01:00:46,730
I don't know if this application with the discussed, well now, which is definitely no pool, individually applied in shapes and the tables, the gate, the gate will remain and there will be, they will submit a revised drawing showing the adjustment of the items.

843
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:53,710
All right.

844
01:00:53,710 --> 01:00:55,050
And then it will be a wood door.

845
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:56,030
It could be.

846
01:00:56,110 --> 01:00:57,630
But that was part of our team.

847
01:00:59,690 --> 01:01:00,110
Yeah.

848
01:01:00,350 --> 01:01:01,550
So that's right, you hope.

849
01:01:02,050 --> 01:01:02,430
Second.

850
01:01:02,630 --> 01:01:03,150
18 seconds.

851
01:01:03,370 --> 01:01:03,750
All right.

852
01:01:04,090 --> 01:01:04,410
OK.

853
01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:05,990
Heather, you want a home role?

854
01:01:06,430 --> 01:01:06,950
TheVERSOF drive?

855
01:01:07,130 --> 01:01:07,290
Yes.

856
01:01:07,950 --> 01:01:08,510
What's in the harland?

857
01:01:08,750 --> 01:01:08,910
Yes.

858
01:01:09,470 --> 01:01:09,610
Sure.

859
01:01:09,730 --> 01:01:10,030
Here we go.

860
01:01:10,490 --> 01:01:11,050
There's two.

861
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:12,530
Here you favor.

862
01:01:13,090 --> 01:01:13,250
No.

863
01:01:13,470 --> 01:01:13,770
I have one.

864
01:01:20,690 --> 01:01:32,750
I know nobody talked about the colors too much, but I think there's a one-night, yes, I think your choice of color was very appropriate.

865
01:01:34,110 --> 01:01:36,610
Very calm by crowd around town.

866
01:01:37,710 --> 01:01:38,590
That was nice.

867
01:01:39,330 --> 01:01:40,470
Well, here we go.

868
01:01:40,970 --> 01:01:42,190
We are very, very important.

869
01:01:42,490 --> 01:01:43,130
The application.

870
01:01:43,710 --> 01:01:43,970
Yeah.

871
01:01:44,210 --> 01:01:44,870
The application of them.

872
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:46,030
We didn't want to do that.

873
01:01:46,510 --> 01:01:46,650
Absolutely.

874
01:01:46,890 --> 01:01:47,530
Nicely done.

875
01:01:47,770 --> 01:01:48,050
All right.

876
01:01:48,550 --> 01:01:49,570
The next one.

877
01:01:49,770 --> 01:01:50,910
That we are going to be here.

878
01:01:51,050 --> 01:01:52,570
We have to do this one at a time.

879
01:01:52,750 --> 01:01:54,030
So it's 144.

880
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:03,140
Not a whole thing.

881
01:02:03,420 --> 01:02:04,040
I got the numbers.

882
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:05,040
I think

883
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:07,880
I'm going to try to do that.

884
01:02:47,340 --> 01:02:47,660
Yeah.

885
01:02:47,860 --> 01:02:50,270
That is good.

886
01:02:50,370 --> 01:02:50,570
That

887
01:02:53,380 --> 01:02:53,860
is good one.

888
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:57,480
I'll try to see.

889
01:02:57,900 --> 01:02:58,200
Yeah.

890
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,720
Yeah, it's okay.

891
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:01,440
It's okay.

892
01:03:01,980 --> 01:03:03,160
I have one for two.

893
01:03:04,980 --> 01:03:05,820
All right.

894
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,620
One for two says the same thing.

895
01:03:08,900 --> 01:03:10,980
All right, well, this is wrong.

896
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,820
I'll see if I can give you one of those cases.

897
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:14,200
Oh,

898
01:03:24,180 --> 01:03:24,600
okay.

899
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:27,860
One for four alarms does not yet.

900
01:03:28,660 --> 01:03:30,000
I have some plans.

901
01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:33,220
I don't have the color reference that.

902
01:03:33,220 --> 01:03:48,580
No. That was just added today. Oh really? This was added today? No. No. We did not receive it. Well, I still don't have it. I just found it.

903
01:04:01,580 --> 01:04:02,040
Okay.

904
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:06,440
So it was two.

905
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:11,060
You didn't have the color renderings, but the zoning basically follows, but everything

906
01:04:11,060 --> 01:04:12,760
was the color renderings you used to see.

907
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:13,720
Okay.

908
01:04:19,410 --> 01:04:19,510
No.

909
01:04:21,890 --> 01:04:23,010
Go back to you.

910
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:23,290
Okay.

911
01:04:23,290 --> 01:04:23,510
One

912
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,420
-four-four months at HBC.

913
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:29,420
Try this one.

914
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:30,240
Yeah.

915
01:04:30,540 --> 01:04:30,940
Do you want to see what I mean?

916
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:35,220
Look when it was added.

917
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,020
There was one that says, added seven hours.

918
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,580
I got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

919
01:04:41,820 --> 01:04:42,720
That's what we're doing for the seminar.

920
01:04:45,460 --> 01:04:46,200
Try that one.

921
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:55,100
Yeah, I know what it looks like.

922
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:56,040
Oh, what does that do?

923
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:57,420
I'll look at the screen.

924
01:05:01,430 --> 01:05:02,270
I know what that looks like.

925
01:05:02,450 --> 01:05:03,270
Here's an excellent list.

926
01:05:03,890 --> 01:05:04,610
It's very exact.

927
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:06,270
Okay.

928
01:05:08,270 --> 01:05:08,910
I don't know.

929
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:26,400
I just want to give us a rundown on this particular one.

930
01:05:26,500 --> 01:05:36,140
This is a Victorian-shaped style, which is how it's labeled in American Home Book.

931
01:05:36,140 --> 01:05:53,140
And we're in our informal meeting initially we had, I think, a full wall of this year, and we agreed that it's lighter and nicer if we bring those walls down a little bit and have the railing on top.

932
01:05:58,260 --> 01:06:04,740
and the dormers look very imposing in the front elevation, in the side elevation, they're

933
01:06:04,740 --> 01:06:13,000
really kind of squat and I think back to the previous house and the next one.

934
01:06:13,700 --> 01:06:20,100
The dormers do to how close the houses are to each other and how far the dormers are.

935
01:06:20,100 --> 01:06:25,340
I don't think that we're going to be able to see them very well at all from the street, just because of

936
01:06:26,660 --> 01:06:28,820
perspective and everything. So I know it looks

937
01:06:29,340 --> 01:06:34,200
really big from the front, but it's just never, that's never going to be how it's viewed.

938
01:06:35,740 --> 01:06:39,040
But I did a Gameral roof on this one

939
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,680
to really break up this one, as I spoke about earlier.

940
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:51,180
And we got two story courts straight across with the board of directors.

941
01:06:54,660 --> 01:06:58,420
Do you know what book she's talking about with Victorian Shakespeare?

942
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,080
Yes, that's a lot.

943
01:07:01,300 --> 01:07:04,580
Where is that going to be the field guide to American books of Victorian Shakespeare?

944
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:12,920
I have a question for you.

945
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:17,560
How far back are the dormers from the front of the house?

946
01:07:18,460 --> 01:07:22,260
There, I think it's between five and six feet.

947
01:07:24,910 --> 01:07:27,610
If you want a cross-gable, why don't you put a cross-gable on it?

948
01:07:30,590 --> 01:07:31,750
You have to add it to deal with the fact.

949
01:07:32,590 --> 01:07:34,570
There's a large door on it.

950
01:07:39,010 --> 01:07:40,050
There's a cross-gable on it.

951
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:41,790
So I just did it to break it out.

952
01:07:42,250 --> 01:07:42,310
Yeah.

953
01:07:42,550 --> 01:07:44,170
Because again, they're very big door marks.

954
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:45,350
I'm going to look at the first section.

955
01:07:45,610 --> 01:07:48,430
You would combine a cross-gable with a gameral.

956
01:07:49,030 --> 01:07:54,030
A Dutch colonial could have a cross-gable that is also the gameral roof if you had.

957
01:07:54,430 --> 01:07:58,250
I mean, there's one in Ocean Grove, it's like a little square, it's really cute, as

958
01:07:58,830 --> 01:08:00,570
Gamble moves all the way around it.

959
01:08:02,450 --> 01:08:05,550
Actually, this is more about colonial revival.

960
01:08:05,890 --> 01:08:07,830
I know, I know, that's why I don't know what it's talking about.

961
01:08:07,990 --> 01:08:12,730
It looks like, it looks sort of like that, when you have that Dutch Gamble roof, you're really

962
01:08:12,730 --> 01:08:14,010
talking colonial revival.

963
01:08:14,130 --> 01:08:19,250
Usually, they're steeper, though, but you can have, yeah, I think it's a lot of, yeah,

964
01:08:23,750 --> 01:08:27,850
So I think as we call it, we could more colonial revival, I think you're covered.

965
01:08:28,130 --> 01:08:29,170
Call it Dutch colonial.

966
01:08:29,530 --> 01:08:31,070
Yeah, we call it Dutch colonial.

967
01:08:32,990 --> 01:08:34,950
We call it Dutch colonial.

968
01:08:35,230 --> 01:08:41,130
And then you could add that if you really want two things coming out of the side of that,

969
01:08:41,630 --> 01:08:47,050
then I don't know why you don't have a cross-table or something like that rather than having two tables.

970
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:53,870
I think we can't re-design my house, we can't re-design my house, we can't re-design my house.

971
01:08:53,870 --> 01:08:55,690
I think we should get to be dormers.

972
01:08:56,150 --> 01:09:02,970
I was going to say on the Ambrole roof, it's very traditional, to follow the line of the top section to create a shed door.

973
01:09:03,310 --> 01:09:06,230
So I was just a traditional way to do it.

974
01:09:06,590 --> 01:09:10,090
Okay, I've got to go to the dorm with the scope of what I'm doing.

975
01:09:10,090 --> 01:09:14,910
I love their non-venny Dutch bamboo roots and their hard sun.

976
01:09:15,010 --> 01:09:17,150
And it's nice to see another one.

977
01:09:17,450 --> 01:09:17,990
I like them.

978
01:09:18,290 --> 01:09:18,990
I do too.

979
01:09:19,250 --> 01:09:19,650
I love them.

980
01:09:19,850 --> 01:09:20,750
May and I have a good name.

981
01:09:20,770 --> 01:09:22,210
It's like a ton of those around me.

982
01:09:23,070 --> 01:09:24,770
Can't meet you as all those cottages.

983
01:09:25,050 --> 01:09:26,250
The little cottages, yeah.

984
01:09:26,530 --> 01:09:27,990
But there's a big one on them.

985
01:09:28,190 --> 01:09:28,970
There's one on Mount St.

986
01:09:29,190 --> 01:09:30,370
and Central too.

987
01:09:30,930 --> 01:09:33,990
We don't see a lot of new ones coming.

988
01:09:34,310 --> 01:09:36,450
But it's very nice to see it.

989
01:09:36,450 --> 01:09:45,370
And again, we all have thoughts on what we think might be more or less on a style.

990
01:09:45,830 --> 01:09:50,810
But we're going to look at what you brought to us and go on what you are presenting.

991
01:09:53,190 --> 01:10:01,970
Also, I just want to clarify, can I put on the second floor porch, that roof comes out to cover

992
01:10:02,610 --> 01:10:12,910
in such a flat presentation that, and it looks flat against the house line, I mean, it's not, it does not cover the floor.

993
01:10:12,910 --> 01:10:18,890
Oh, it's second floor. The third floor is coming over.

994
01:10:19,230 --> 01:10:21,510
The third floor now, is there a floor flush with the second floor?

995
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:25,570
So the second floor, and the first floor, I'm looking, oh, look at the floor.

996
01:10:25,570 --> 01:10:25,790
Yeah.

997
01:10:25,870 --> 01:10:26,930
So his flesh.

998
01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:27,770
Oh, okay.

999
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:28,890
So there is an open.

1000
01:10:29,290 --> 01:10:29,430
Yeah.

1001
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:30,170
It's not open.

1002
01:10:30,750 --> 01:10:31,270
It's not open.

1003
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:31,850
Okay.

1004
01:10:32,150 --> 01:10:32,590
Thank you.

1005
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,000
I especially like the railing treatment.

1006
01:10:38,660 --> 01:10:44,780
I love the idea of the combination of the baluster and the solid shape.

1007
01:10:45,020 --> 01:10:50,100
I think, again, that's something that you do see in Ocean Road, but it has not been replicated

1008
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:50,880
very often.

1009
01:10:51,420 --> 01:10:53,080
It's really very handsome.

1010
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:54,940
Is it?

1011
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:56,200
Yeah.

1012
01:10:56,200 --> 01:11:04,520
Well, we were proposing, but we were proposing this

1013
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,960
Cedar question, which is an individual shape item.

1014
01:11:08,420 --> 01:11:12,120
It's comparable to a new Cedar, but this is the law.

1015
01:11:13,620 --> 01:11:16,840
So it's a faux cedar, it's individual pieces.

1016
01:11:17,380 --> 01:11:20,520
So you have to find out, but that's what we're proposing.

1017
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:26,680
Now, if you're going to be doing that on your dual posts, let's say, and also the bottom

1018
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:32,460
half plan ser with, I don't know if I'm pronouncing the right word, you do realize that when

1019
01:11:32,460 --> 01:11:38,480
you turn the corners, you say do, okay, because I was going to say otherwise you're going

1020
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:41,480
to have to weave them in.

1021
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:50,400
Yeah, we are showing a corner cap on the body of the house, but yeah, I don't know, but I

1022
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,960
I was just talking, you certainly don't want these all outlying.

1023
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,640
No, I didn't have their own...

1024
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:57,780
God, you're up on the floor.

1025
01:11:57,980 --> 01:11:59,080
We're up on the floor, it's wonderful.

1026
01:11:59,700 --> 01:12:02,380
Are those, are there the posts on the first floor?

1027
01:12:03,980 --> 01:12:06,020
Splayed, or they straight up into...

1028
01:12:06,020 --> 01:12:10,420
And now they're straight, it's the index of eight inches,

1029
01:12:10,580 --> 01:12:11,880
or eight inches,

1030
01:12:14,050 --> 01:12:16,230
or eight inches, or eight inches, or eight inches.

1031
01:12:16,230 --> 01:12:17,010
I'll be right back again.

1032
01:12:17,330 --> 01:12:20,590
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

1033
01:12:30,910 --> 01:12:37,530
I don't think they have to be split, I do not, I think that there are, and I'm looking

1034
01:12:37,530 --> 01:12:43,090
at a whole bunch of them here that are straight, so I think it's kind of an either or situation.

1035
01:12:43,090 --> 01:12:49,470
situation. The only fair enough. Yeah. Can we go back to that first inch of it?

1036
01:12:50,490 --> 01:12:54,830
There you go. Now keep going. There you go. Okay.

1037
01:12:57,410 --> 01:13:01,590
Curious to know what's going on underneath the first floor porch that seems.

1038
01:13:02,710 --> 01:13:09,290
I don't see any sports underneath your columns. You know usually you have

1039
01:13:09,290 --> 01:13:16,670
supports within some clients under the book. Thank you for your support. Oh, yeah, I have

1040
01:13:16,670 --> 01:13:24,970
this vertical exterior and right a hard board painted in one of the store cards, but it would be like a

1041
01:13:24,970 --> 01:13:32,770
bead board. So you're okay. Underneath where your column is, often that bead board is separated into

1042
01:13:32,770 --> 01:13:39,590
base so that you have some sort of a brick that you're covered. Yeah which we

1043
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:43,290
have on our other house as well so again just trying to break up and all the

1044
01:13:43,290 --> 01:13:47,630
foundations to match. There is a there's a senior base unit that could get

1045
01:13:47,630 --> 01:13:55,010
either a part of shorter. Okay because I think if our guidelines talk about doing

1046
01:13:55,010 --> 01:13:58,250
things in a traditional way I understand you're not

1047
01:13:58,250 --> 01:14:08,370
you wanted to break up that continuity of, oh, they all have repairs. So I think that kind

1048
01:14:08,370 --> 01:14:15,910
of continuity speaks to tradition and that's basically what we look for and the establishment

1049
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:18,550
The guideline to be looked for what the norm is.

1050
01:14:18,550 --> 01:14:19,910
I have a question for you.

1051
01:14:20,170 --> 01:14:20,610
Yes.

1052
01:14:21,650 --> 01:14:25,570
When terminus uses B4, which I have seen in the notion world,

1053
01:14:25,730 --> 01:14:29,150
it does exist historically in place of lattice.

1054
01:14:30,110 --> 01:14:32,250
Does the B4 get broken and framed?

1055
01:14:32,610 --> 01:14:35,190
Because the B4 generally is framed.

1056
01:14:35,190 --> 01:14:38,450
It's placed with our frame, sort of break it.

1057
01:14:39,170 --> 01:14:43,330
It means it has to, means the pier has to sit proud of it.

1058
01:14:47,630 --> 01:14:55,970
And this isn't insect, it's all way across, I'm wondering if this is correct for the show because it's not insect.

1059
01:14:56,450 --> 01:14:59,590
I still don't think it's a traditional way of building a person.

1060
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,500
I'm prepared to be framed. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. That's something that is a condition you can agree to. Absolutely. And you might also want everything real quick, though, is that if you are going to do vertical boards, it should not be a solid piece. You should have some gaps, or if you're going to rock your porch. Yeah. That would be great. It's just important. Yes. Can you explain to me if there was a condition that was just articulated about brick peers? Yes.

1061
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:38,980
So on the first floor there are four columns that go across and the columns have a white square column on top.

1062
01:15:39,460 --> 01:15:45,800
The single column is pinned below, then there's a horizontal large board or a skirt board on the porch.

1063
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:52,060
Underneath each column there should be some sort of brick looking here.

1064
01:15:52,060 --> 01:15:59,780
support. You can see even the porosontal B-tort that goes at grade all the way across.

1065
01:16:00,140 --> 01:16:04,580
Do we broken into B's between B's and B's?

1066
01:16:04,580 --> 01:16:06,900
Seriously, it's more like this in the middle.

1067
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,980
And is that a condition that you can agree to?

1068
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,940
Okay, so make sure I understand that.

1069
01:16:12,940 --> 01:16:21,080
and they asked me to do one thing. Could we look at a window closer so we can see that window

1070
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:28,720
trims? I have one. If you can just look at that just to clarify because with the light color it's

1071
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:34,060
hard to actually see what you're there we go. Can we zoom in on that a little?

1072
01:16:42,250 --> 01:16:44,130
Okay. So yes it does have the

1073
01:16:44,130 --> 01:16:51,710
But it has the butt joints, it has the sill ears, and it has the traditional crown that

1074
01:16:51,710 --> 01:16:52,330
we always look at.

1075
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:53,330
Thank you very much.

1076
01:16:54,030 --> 01:16:54,670
Appreciate that.

1077
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:58,550
I know that that was a, we talked about that, that's what that was.

1078
01:16:58,810 --> 01:16:59,210
I know a lot of you.

1079
01:16:59,370 --> 01:17:00,670
That was a regular history.

1080
01:17:01,350 --> 01:17:02,070
Yes, yes, yes.

1081
01:17:02,370 --> 01:17:02,910
It's a lot of work.

1082
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:04,870
Before here, because I know you did a lot of work.

1083
01:17:04,990 --> 01:17:07,150
I don't want all this to go by invisible.

1084
01:17:08,110 --> 01:17:09,530
Because you listen very closely.

1085
01:17:09,690 --> 01:17:10,930
We gave a lot of feedback.

1086
01:17:11,210 --> 01:17:14,010
You were both very open.

1087
01:17:15,750 --> 01:17:25,630
Can we go back to the, because I have a couple more things that I want to look at the sides as well as the rear elevation again.

1088
01:17:28,230 --> 01:17:41,390
In the other house where you decided to change it put in either painted windows for the colored windows, the bronze colored.

1089
01:17:42,670 --> 01:17:45,790
What's their reason you chose to go light on these?

1090
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:53,890
I was to simplify the color scenes because the other two houses had three to four different

1091
01:17:53,890 --> 01:17:57,350
paint colors and this was kind of just a more simple one.

1092
01:17:57,350 --> 01:18:04,990
The only reason I say that is those windows read like voice and I I don't know I love that

1093
01:18:04,990 --> 01:18:13,590
those green doors, I think they stand out, but then I think those windows become ghosts and I just

1094
01:18:14,530 --> 01:18:20,250
wonder you know you have that combination of the very nice soft cream on your trim and also

1095
01:18:20,250 --> 01:18:26,450
your columns and then your windows are sort of like I don't know they look like holes to make

1096
01:18:26,450 --> 01:18:31,190
kind of recess they recess thank you. I think part of that might be that the glass is illustrated

1097
01:18:31,190 --> 01:18:37,430
here at his point, which is totally glass is either dark gray or black, depending on what's inside.

1098
01:18:37,810 --> 01:18:43,390
So those trims might stand out more prominently on the finished house.

1099
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:48,530
I imagine that just because rarely do we see glass, which is silver.

1100
01:18:49,550 --> 01:18:53,270
But again, if it's concerned, then you might want to.

1101
01:18:53,610 --> 01:18:59,910
Well, traditionally, and again, if you're talking traditional indos, you throw the windows themselves

1102
01:19:02,910 --> 01:19:09,330
We do it in reverse now a lot of times, but that is traditionally how it was.

1103
01:19:09,690 --> 01:19:15,670
It might be a consideration to do them in that dark green.

1104
01:19:16,450 --> 01:19:19,390
They do have a dark green.

1105
01:19:22,030 --> 01:19:26,990
I know it's not going to be a consideration.

1106
01:19:28,730 --> 01:19:29,830
It does not either or.

1107
01:19:30,010 --> 01:19:35,850
Considerations are things you can think about and compare to update or verification you may.

1108
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:44,190
I don't know that anyone is going to vote against something because of the color window and I'm clear

1109
01:19:48,110 --> 01:19:53,750
here because this is not a tech meeting. It's a review of the application you've brought

1110
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:59,670
to us that is complete and for a review. So, I think Jeff, I disagree with you. We get

1111
01:19:59,670 --> 01:20:06,550
into a new show all the time, like two lights outdoors instead of one. So, let's not say that.

1112
01:20:07,270 --> 01:20:13,030
So, to get to less my new show. Also, this house on the northern side has the same window

1113
01:20:13,030 --> 01:20:19,390
Yeah, let's do it all the way so yeah, that's how you're in that's a condition. Yeah, can we look at that does too?

1114
01:20:19,830 --> 01:20:23,930
The floor plans are the same. Yeah

1115
01:20:24,990 --> 01:20:26,290
Well, so then

1116
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:31,810
Moving to center

1117
01:20:51,230 --> 01:20:56,150
Can I ask you to go to the screen and actually point to the part of some members up here

1118
01:20:56,150 --> 01:21:00,070
or what you're talking about moving and where you're talking about moving or when it comes

1119
01:21:00,070 --> 01:21:00,570
to Windows.

1120
01:21:00,990 --> 01:21:04,770
I don't want there to be any confusion or discussion here when you can show us.

1121
01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:20,310
I understand that the board will go in to the center towards the center, towards the point where the board is going towards the center and towards the center.

1122
01:21:20,650 --> 01:21:23,750
So they'll match the distance to the corner of the tunnel.

1123
01:21:31,870 --> 01:21:38,350
I don't see the yellow, that's it, it says right elevation, yeah, the northern north,

1124
01:21:38,730 --> 01:21:41,130
do you have the south of there, is it the same?

1125
01:21:41,490 --> 01:21:45,070
It's a little bit different, but it'll be in the zoning site.

1126
01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:48,570
I just regret it because I only showed the one understood.

1127
01:21:48,570 --> 01:21:52,510
But the same issue is everything and the other is a bill.

1128
01:21:52,730 --> 01:21:53,450
It's going to match.

1129
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:55,530
You know, all three of us are going to have the same.

1130
01:21:55,730 --> 01:21:56,290
Got it.

1131
01:21:56,450 --> 01:21:57,010
Okay, great.

1132
01:21:57,230 --> 01:21:58,570
Then that player must not.

1133
01:21:59,670 --> 01:22:00,550
Thank you.

1134
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:05,680
Is there anything else for it?

1135
01:22:06,260 --> 01:22:07,100
I think we got it covered.

1136
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:08,520
Public?

1137
01:22:09,220 --> 01:22:09,660
No?

1138
01:22:10,980 --> 01:22:13,220
Read about the arena with us.

1139
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:15,420
That's going to be an option.

1140
01:22:15,740 --> 01:22:17,260
Did you like the arena?

1141
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:18,400
Did you paint?

1142
01:22:18,420 --> 01:22:19,120
Thank you for that.

1143
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:21,540
You like the green on the wind up, right?

1144
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:26,140
I know, I think I love it.

1145
01:22:33,540 --> 01:22:35,660
We'll meet outside, I have.

1146
01:22:37,340 --> 01:22:40,480
There's no swimming pool above here as well.

1147
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:41,920
Okay,

1148
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:46,120
so the only...

1149
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:52,420
I'm sorry, so the only thing now is just the windows, the, the, the, the, the, the, the

1150
01:22:52,420 --> 01:22:52,520
garage.

1151
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,460
No, there was mention of a garage.

1152
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:57,380
You were just saying that that was humanly possible.

1153
01:22:57,800 --> 01:22:58,480
We were in your department.

1154
01:22:58,620 --> 01:22:58,880
Yeah.

1155
01:22:59,140 --> 01:22:59,680
Oh, yeah.

1156
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:00,700
Yeah, that's just something.

1157
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:04,880
We thought that the, the lots were going to go all the way through to Maine.

1158
01:23:05,260 --> 01:23:05,480
Yes.

1159
01:23:05,740 --> 01:23:08,260
We were thinking how wonderful it would be to have a garage.

1160
01:23:08,380 --> 01:23:15,900
But now that the, the lot, the lot, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, uh,

1161
01:23:17,060 --> 01:23:23,440
would have been nice to be able to park cars, but only access to the car.

1162
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:30,640
So that's the shame, so that's what happened because it was stupid.

1163
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:40,200
We made it, we were hoping to put pools there, but since we're now, so we're going to have extra.

1164
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:40,840
4N2Z-M1N2.

1165
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:42,800
And they are under the blue.

1166
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:44,020
And we are under the blue.

1167
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:45,320
They are under the blue.

1168
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:45,680
And we are under the blue.

1169
01:23:45,700 --> 01:23:46,360
We are under the blue.

1170
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:46,560
And we are under the blue.

1171
01:23:46,620 --> 01:23:46,940
It's not like that.

1172
01:23:47,460 --> 01:23:48,800
Oh yeah, it is.

1173
01:23:48,940 --> 01:23:49,700
I'm very unwell.

1174
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:51,020
I'm very unwell.

1175
01:23:53,220 --> 01:23:55,600
All right, so we need to take a look.

1176
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:56,040
Yeah.

1177
01:23:56,500 --> 01:23:57,920
A public purchase, first.

1178
01:23:58,300 --> 01:24:01,220
And we need a motion from someone.

1179
01:24:01,820 --> 01:24:08,020
and it seems that the only stipulations have to do with the windows and the piers on the front of the system.

1180
01:24:08,020 --> 01:24:13,180
I'll make a motion that we approve this application as submitted with the two following stipulations.

1181
01:24:13,380 --> 01:24:22,360
The windows at the rear on both the North and South side will be adjusted in or forward or at the front of the house and that piers...

1182
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:26,000
No, the center, no, the center, no, the inside elevation thing.

1183
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:26,700
Both sides?

1184
01:24:27,220 --> 01:24:27,420
Yes.

1185
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:35,440
Both windows at the front first and second floor, and at the rear of the first and second

1186
01:24:35,440 --> 01:24:40,120
floor on both the North and South elevation would be adjusted toward the center of the

1187
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:40,440
house.

1188
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:50,260
And that piers, brick, clad, or brick, the near piers would be shown under each of the

1189
01:24:50,260 --> 01:24:57,040
front porch columns with the board across the front being framed and set in as is traditional.

1190
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:57,700
My

1191
01:25:00,420 --> 01:25:00,680
second.

1192
01:25:00,900 --> 01:25:01,620
I can go.

1193
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:03,740
There we go.

1194
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:05,240
Heather, you want to go to the reception?

1195
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:06,080
Yes.

1196
01:25:06,380 --> 01:25:06,920
In the Highland?

1197
01:25:07,180 --> 01:25:07,380
Yes.

1198
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:08,320
Deferredell?

1199
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:09,360
Yes, to the city.

1200
01:25:09,540 --> 01:25:09,980
Kettyshafer?

1201
01:25:10,700 --> 01:25:10,960
Yes.

1202
01:25:12,260 --> 01:25:13,060
Linda Henderson?

1203
01:25:13,460 --> 01:25:15,500
Yes, to the Canadian board, Jillian?

1204
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:15,820
Yes.

1205
01:25:16,460 --> 01:25:16,840
All right.

1206
01:25:17,860 --> 01:25:19,060
Two down, one to go.

1207
01:25:19,380 --> 01:25:19,860
Let's go.

1208
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:20,580
Thank you.

1209
01:25:20,580 --> 01:25:21,940
I have a question for you.

1210
01:25:22,900 --> 01:25:23,300
Welcome.

1211
01:25:24,220 --> 01:25:24,900
So we're showing.

1212
01:25:25,260 --> 01:25:26,540
I think the pain is up there.

1213
01:25:26,540 --> 01:25:26,980
I see it.

1214
01:25:27,100 --> 01:25:27,280
Right there.

1215
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:32,000
It's been near, but it's all real individual bricks.

1216
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:37,020
It's about here, is it okay to use the same one?

1217
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:37,520
Sure.

1218
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:38,680
Absolutely.

1219
01:25:38,940 --> 01:25:40,680
Because there's a lot of variation in that.

1220
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:41,100
Yeah.

1221
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:45,820
Making a little...

1222
01:25:45,820 --> 01:25:46,820
Oh, I think that's fine.

1223
01:25:47,300 --> 01:25:47,960
I don't know.

1224
01:25:48,100 --> 01:25:49,360
I don't want to throw a lucky wrench.

1225
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,120
But it could, it could.

1226
01:25:52,100 --> 01:25:52,540
Oh, okay.

1227
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:53,000
Yeah.

1228
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:53,960
What do you think it's going to be?

1229
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:54,620
Oh.

1230
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:55,600
Okay.

1231
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:06,720
All

1232
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:10,800
right, so the last one that we're going to be

1233
01:26:13,620 --> 01:26:16,380
going to be one for you to, one for you to, thank you.

1234
01:26:38,430 --> 01:26:40,170
You can see there's just, yeah,

1235
01:26:42,980 --> 01:26:44,740
how deep those lots were.

1236
01:26:45,140 --> 01:26:48,660
So this is what I had for 1.2 design practice, so I'm going to go up those.

1237
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:55,320
It's Mark 144, even though it's 142 in the files that I have, haven't it?

1238
01:26:55,980 --> 01:26:58,120
The one that you just had over was the right one.

1239
01:26:58,420 --> 01:27:00,100
The one, 7 or 2.

1240
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:03,020
That's what I'm talking about.

1241
01:27:03,540 --> 01:27:05,020
Now there's another one.

1242
01:27:05,420 --> 01:27:06,880
So I think that's the one that I...

1243
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:08,000
You gave us two.

1244
01:27:11,940 --> 01:27:12,820
It's Mark's...

1245
01:27:12,820 --> 01:27:14,400
It's the last time I've had three years.

1246
01:27:14,860 --> 01:27:16,000
It's the last time.

1247
01:27:16,940 --> 01:27:19,640
Now this is design, when HBC design packet.

1248
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:22,060
Yeah, this is different. Yeah, I know, that's what I was going to do.

1249
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,760
That is my three. I have it. Look, it came up.

1250
01:27:25,300 --> 01:27:27,160
I feel like there's a lot of things in here.

1251
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:28,960
There's a lot of things in here.

1252
01:27:30,980 --> 01:27:36,480
Yeah, I think the old design that only went to the tech meeting is also different.

1253
01:27:36,660 --> 01:27:37,760
Yeah, I think so too.

1254
01:27:37,900 --> 01:27:40,780
Okay, so we don't really have the key in

1255
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:43,630
what I see here.

1256
01:28:01,530 --> 01:28:03,290
How was I starting to get the lock out there?

1257
01:28:03,410 --> 01:28:03,690
Did you?

1258
01:28:06,740 --> 01:28:07,380
Oh, I'm sorry.

1259
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:07,980
Yeah.

1260
01:28:07,980 --> 01:28:11,380
I made it for Jason because I took one out of the one in from

1261
01:28:19,260 --> 01:28:21,220
start to finish because it's

1262
01:29:52,190 --> 01:29:54,850
so nice to see it come on a new build.

1263
01:29:55,330 --> 01:29:59,830
Yeah, this was I think when they all kind of looked like this, that was the one.

1264
01:30:02,220 --> 01:30:07,300
I think during the last time we met, you mentioned that, what would it say?

1265
01:30:09,260 --> 01:30:13,040
Yeah, no, I think it's nice. It's nice.

1266
01:30:13,700 --> 01:30:14,840
Yeah, it's nice.

1267
01:30:17,440 --> 01:30:18,000
Okay,

1268
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:31,780
so, so this is our sixth title. We've got three floors of porch all the way across

1269
01:30:31,780 --> 01:30:42,600
the house and this one doesn't cross cable but we do it as an overhang. It doesn't, the wall

1270
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:47,080
doesn't look fresh. I don't know if that's a preference but the roof kind of

1271
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:53,640
continues straight across which you kind of see in the side elevation. It would be

1272
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:59,700
It's not forward, it's already below, and then I'll just break up.

1273
01:31:05,110 --> 01:31:09,910
I think this view and really fitting for ocean growth.

1274
01:31:10,850 --> 01:31:15,790
But again, the windows are receding on me.

1275
01:31:16,870 --> 01:31:20,250
And I know we're not supposed to get into design.

1276
01:31:20,410 --> 01:31:24,550
But the color that you have, and so I apologize,

1277
01:31:24,930 --> 01:31:26,050
and this is just consideration.

1278
01:31:26,350 --> 01:31:29,110
The color that you have on the rails.

1279
01:31:29,110 --> 01:31:38,720
Yes, it's a gray. It's a cool gray. Oh, it's a gray? Yeah, it's um, it's damaged in gray.

1280
01:31:39,660 --> 01:31:43,480
Okay, so that's what's on my shirt on the windows. Just put it in a pinion.

1281
01:31:47,010 --> 01:31:50,130
Yeah, I think the darker windows, I agree with you, Jane.

1282
01:31:50,790 --> 01:31:56,330
The other thing is the mullion pattern is not something that you would find on a stick style.

1283
01:31:57,370 --> 01:32:05,170
As a colonial, you really want to do two over two rather than the six over one.

1284
01:32:05,490 --> 01:32:08,190
And you can agree to that as a change that you will make it.

1285
01:32:09,470 --> 01:32:10,870
Man, it's going to be a question.

1286
01:32:11,530 --> 01:32:16,410
I can't see, because I don't have this, are these charted posts?

1287
01:32:16,910 --> 01:32:17,070
Yes.

1288
01:32:17,870 --> 01:32:23,910
It's the index six and a half turn column or a certain post, okay.

1289
01:32:23,910 --> 01:32:29,050
And then the normal posts are also text

1290
01:32:31,610 --> 01:32:34,630
and terminal posts.

1291
01:32:34,870 --> 01:32:35,450
Just understand.

1292
01:32:35,590 --> 01:32:38,110
So their target post is a paper doll?

1293
01:32:38,750 --> 01:32:41,290
Is a paper doll in the first one of all of them?

1294
01:32:41,330 --> 01:32:42,370
Yeah, do you have a close up?

1295
01:32:42,530 --> 01:32:43,510
Yeah, we can see it.

1296
01:32:44,010 --> 01:32:47,030
Do you have a close up or show us a close up?

1297
01:32:48,570 --> 01:32:49,850
Yeah, the whole round system.

1298
01:32:50,150 --> 01:32:51,590
It's all the same as paper doll.

1299
01:32:51,830 --> 01:32:52,670
Oh no, it's not.

1300
01:32:52,670 --> 01:32:53,670
It's not a turret doll.

1301
01:32:53,670 --> 01:32:56,250
This is, yeah, this is all turns out to be normal.

1302
01:32:58,490 --> 01:32:59,910
It's a, it's a part of the background.

1303
01:33:00,870 --> 01:33:01,870
Yeah, it turns back back.

1304
01:33:02,870 --> 01:33:04,870
Uh, spindles, spindles?

1305
01:33:05,070 --> 01:33:06,110
Yeah, turns, spindles.

1306
01:33:07,890 --> 01:33:10,830
That's kind of a very unusual for a stick star.

1307
01:33:10,830 --> 01:33:11,430
It looks like, okay.

1308
01:33:11,910 --> 01:33:14,290
In other words, on, and, and believe me,

1309
01:33:14,390 --> 01:33:15,850
I think the design of this is wonderful,

1310
01:33:16,070 --> 01:33:22,870
but the flat cut corner pieces that you have on a house

1311
01:33:22,870 --> 01:33:29,890
like this you would also have flat cups for your railings you would have a paper doll railing

1312
01:33:29,890 --> 01:33:37,390
not a turn. Or at least one paper doll or at least one. Right, we do see on some houses

1313
01:33:37,390 --> 01:33:42,930
a combination where you have a couple paper dolls with a couple spindles that are spurs.

1314
01:33:43,730 --> 01:33:49,950
It gives it that sort of flatness that we expect. Right. It also gives you a lot of

1315
01:33:49,950 --> 01:33:52,750
What sort of transparency instead of boxing you in,

1316
01:33:52,990 --> 01:33:57,230
I think that other members are absolutely correct here

1317
01:33:57,230 --> 01:33:59,410
that all spindles are probably working against.

1318
01:33:59,850 --> 01:34:01,050
I don't know where you can have different things

1319
01:34:01,050 --> 01:34:01,830
on different floors.

1320
01:34:02,030 --> 01:34:03,490
If you look at historic shows, yes.

1321
01:34:04,250 --> 01:34:05,770
My other question about the front,

1322
01:34:05,930 --> 01:34:07,670
now we can actually see a piece.

1323
01:34:09,430 --> 01:34:11,810
Poor shrillings, if we go back to the end

1324
01:34:11,810 --> 01:34:14,050
of the entire facade, the

1325
01:34:23,970 --> 01:34:25,610
floor, why is the porch

1326
01:34:25,610 --> 01:34:28,090
all the way across instead of just being

1327
01:34:28,090 --> 01:34:32,890
I think more traditionally, even on places that they should have where you just have a center

1328
01:34:33,430 --> 01:34:39,370
and a jewelry at porch, rather than having how tall is it over there in the corners.

1329
01:34:40,890 --> 01:34:44,450
You know, I'm saying the way the quote, when it edges under there, it leaves a groove.

1330
01:34:45,150 --> 01:34:47,650
I think it's, it's a little, it's a three-foot floor,

1331
01:34:48,350 --> 01:34:50,930
or because it's just above, it comes just above the roof.

1332
01:34:51,490 --> 01:34:56,170
I mean, it's more common to know, should go out on the third floor, just a center thing.

1333
01:35:02,210 --> 01:35:07,270
I don't know what one that's why I'm saying that I'm saying what I see is whatever I

1334
01:35:07,270 --> 01:35:08,250
see as tradition.

1335
01:35:08,410 --> 01:35:14,810
That's my comment about this is what they've shown, I see it as something that doesn't

1336
01:35:14,810 --> 01:35:16,170
seem to be very, very

1337
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:18,580
now.

1338
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:26,380
They am I correct in assuming that the full with third floor porch was driven in part by

1339
01:35:26,380 --> 01:35:31,720
the fact that your house height was set and the pitch of your roof gave you extra space

1340
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:36,380
whereas in a more traditional stick style, that kind of dies into it.

1341
01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:44,400
But if you have the height, my question for members would be, is it non-conforming or is

1342
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:50,340
it simply unusual, meaning you could certainly get chairs in that area, certainly broadens the

1343
01:35:50,340 --> 01:35:56,700
area of use is it not conforming to the style or is it simply unusual in ocean

1344
01:35:56,700 --> 01:36:01,540
growth? I think by eliminating it though you

1345
01:36:01,540 --> 01:36:05,480
caused some problems for that second floor because now you've removed it

1346
01:36:05,480 --> 01:36:10,560
through. So I think you're now you're redesigning the entire front

1347
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:18,180
elevation. No I don't really have. I'd rather this because you're you're

1348
01:36:18,180 --> 01:36:25,560
railing height at least is able to die back into the house as opposed to dying into the roof.

1349
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:28,000
So I don't have a problem with that at all.

1350
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:31,500
But there's all 36 inch railing.

1351
01:36:31,820 --> 01:36:35,280
Yeah, yeah, I don't have a problem with that.

1352
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:35,840
No, I don't either.

1353
01:36:36,020 --> 01:36:39,400
But I do agree that I think it's an abundance of term.

1354
01:36:39,740 --> 01:36:41,400
It's an abundance of symbols.

1355
01:36:41,900 --> 01:36:45,820
Yeah, it's just that I think you've got really all squared.

1356
01:36:46,580 --> 01:36:52,180
You mean like that's not as busy, but I know it's still all paper doll. No, like a square.

1357
01:36:52,980 --> 01:36:59,100
Oh like about a square? I don't think you want all of those.

1358
01:37:00,700 --> 01:37:05,960
I would, yeah, you know, there might be a possibility of, I don't know, three squares in a

1359
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:10,300
turn, three squares in a turn. More different, more different balls to be made.

1360
01:37:10,300 --> 01:37:17,620
So it is crucial that we're suggesting, right now, can they come back into this attack?

1361
01:37:17,700 --> 01:37:17,980
Yes.

1362
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:19,080
Absolutely.

1363
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:25,060
In other words, if you, in other words, I think, correct me, Sarah, that if we would be able

1364
01:37:25,060 --> 01:37:30,880
to approve this with some further designing worked out on those work.

1365
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:33,400
As a condition of railing as a condition of the crew.

1366
01:37:34,020 --> 01:37:34,280
Okay.

1367
01:37:34,480 --> 01:37:34,580
Yes.

1368
01:37:34,900 --> 01:37:36,080
So what did we specify?

1369
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:40,080
I think the windows were talking about two over two.

1370
01:37:40,780 --> 01:37:48,840
And we're also talking about maybe a little something else in terms of the railings, but different.

1371
01:37:49,180 --> 01:37:49,600
Ballister.

1372
01:37:49,900 --> 01:37:50,420
Ballister.

1373
01:37:51,220 --> 01:37:51,340
Yeah.

1374
01:37:52,100 --> 01:37:53,320
We do the science.

1375
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:57,780
And as you say, if we're going to talk about the winners inside, I just thought of something that I'm seeing.

1376
01:37:58,860 --> 01:38:02,640
Because we have a job and door on this house is bumped out.

1377
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:12,380
So, the second floor comes out over, so it's the second floor square with the plane

1378
01:38:12,380 --> 01:38:13,640
that the front door is on.

1379
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:22,660
This is hidden by the balcony, like cantaloupe or cantaloupe, but if we move the first floor window

1380
01:38:22,660 --> 01:38:27,060
in more, we have to move the second floor window in more and I feel like it would draw more

1381
01:38:27,060 --> 01:38:28,460
attention to the difference.

1382
01:38:29,540 --> 01:38:38,520
Where is only the other side, they are lined up only two of them together and it's not unusual, but I think on this side specifically, it's a new district point.

1383
01:38:39,440 --> 01:38:40,060
What about the rear?

1384
01:38:40,740 --> 01:38:42,360
Like farther in, in a way.

1385
01:38:42,780 --> 01:38:48,660
Yeah, I think, for some reason, it's not as disturbing and miscelebration as it is in the other side.

1386
01:38:49,020 --> 01:38:50,180
On the map, we're still small.

1387
01:38:50,180 --> 01:38:52,040
This is the wall on the back.

1388
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:54,740
This is the wall here.

1389
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:24,720
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so like this one there's the bigger gap right on the first

1390
01:39:24,740 --> 01:39:28,740
If we say that we like to feed what's said from the corner,

1391
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:30,780
I can have that match on the other side.

1392
01:39:30,980 --> 01:39:31,660
It's just this side.

1393
01:39:31,860 --> 01:39:32,420
I've got you right now.

1394
01:39:32,660 --> 01:39:33,840
I just can't believe it.

1395
01:39:33,900 --> 01:39:35,020
I think you're asking me to be right back.

1396
01:39:35,420 --> 01:39:36,840
And which side is it that you're not

1397
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:38,200
going to move the front side?

1398
01:39:38,380 --> 01:39:38,880
This is the main side.

1399
01:39:39,020 --> 01:39:39,880
This is the main side.

1400
01:39:40,260 --> 01:39:40,940
I don't want to say it yet.

1401
01:39:41,060 --> 01:39:42,380
OK, we've got it.

1402
01:39:49,290 --> 01:39:53,650
My question to anyone, I'm sorry, what was that?

1403
01:39:53,790 --> 01:39:56,270
I've asked you with every quote on the condition.

1404
01:39:56,690 --> 01:39:57,130
Oh, yeah.

1405
01:39:57,310 --> 01:40:00,250
So we're talking about re-examining the design

1406
01:40:00,250 --> 01:40:08,750
of the ballasters on all three porches, changing the windows to two over two's, moving the west,

1407
01:40:09,130 --> 01:40:15,110
the west, the windows, the north and south, the rear on the north, the rear on the north.

1408
01:40:15,170 --> 01:40:19,730
We're on the north, all four on the south. Yes, thank you. Thank you.

1409
01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:24,830
For the paper doll. Yeah, does it have to be a wood paneler?

1410
01:40:26,190 --> 01:40:26,930
We do.

1411
01:40:27,890 --> 01:40:28,590
We do.

1412
01:40:28,930 --> 01:40:32,710
Keep in mind that if you're having a multiple grown-ups,

1413
01:40:32,810 --> 01:40:34,450
they're not going to be able to all stay half-

1414
01:40:34,450 --> 01:40:36,550
No, they're both, they're going to be able to all stay half-

1415
01:40:36,550 --> 01:40:36,890
They're going to be able to all stay half-

1416
01:40:36,890 --> 01:40:39,170
Yeah, just two words of peace.

1417
01:40:39,570 --> 01:40:40,130
Two words of peace.

1418
01:40:40,750 --> 01:40:43,130
I thought it was a fine move.

1419
01:40:43,730 --> 01:40:44,650
No, it's a fine move.

1420
01:40:44,730 --> 01:40:44,890
No, it's a fine move.

1421
01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:47,750
So I just want to say that the other way.

1422
01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:49,130
The other way is the valve.

1423
01:40:49,130 --> 01:40:49,690
Oh, okay.

1424
01:40:49,970 --> 01:40:50,750
A couple of the three houses.

1425
01:40:50,930 --> 01:40:51,290
The varsity.

1426
01:40:51,750 --> 01:40:53,330
I think that was probably a good grade job.

1427
01:40:53,890 --> 01:40:57,710
I was lucky enough to be there early on in the followable process.

1428
01:40:57,970 --> 01:41:00,450
So I saw how you differentiate this along the way.

1429
01:41:00,790 --> 01:41:02,270
This is my favorite house in my farm.

1430
01:41:02,810 --> 01:41:04,530
It's really lovely.

1431
01:41:05,130 --> 01:41:05,710
Very nice.

1432
01:41:05,950 --> 01:41:06,390
Nice job.

1433
01:41:07,710 --> 01:41:08,190
Public.

1434
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:09,690
What do you think?

1435
01:41:11,370 --> 01:41:12,370
What do you think?

1436
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:13,550
What do you think?

1437
01:41:13,610 --> 01:41:14,430
What do you think?

1438
01:41:14,430 --> 01:41:14,710
He's done.

1439
01:41:15,210 --> 01:41:15,630
He's done.

1440
01:41:15,870 --> 01:41:19,490
Okay, that's it.

1441
01:41:21,950 --> 01:41:24,450
Let's make a motion. There's nothing else, right?

1442
01:41:25,050 --> 01:41:25,990
I don't think so.

1443
01:41:26,410 --> 01:41:27,010
I'll be gone.

1444
01:41:29,950 --> 01:41:34,490
Motion to approve this with the condition.

1445
01:41:34,630 --> 01:41:42,570
The condition is which are the moving of the north and south windows as discussed.

1446
01:41:42,570 --> 01:41:56,730
Yes, the two over two windows and the change in the ballast service to a, no, not to anything

1447
01:41:56,730 --> 01:41:59,650
just a redesign of the ballast service.

1448
01:42:02,730 --> 01:42:05,170
To be, that would be looked at in tap.

1449
01:42:05,790 --> 01:42:08,750
That does not require coming back to me any minute.

1450
01:42:09,330 --> 01:42:09,450
Great.

1451
01:42:10,170 --> 01:42:11,750
I'll second that motion.

1452
01:42:13,350 --> 01:42:13,870
Heather.

1453
01:42:14,130 --> 01:42:14,930
Does it touch him?

1454
01:42:15,070 --> 01:42:15,230
Yes.

1455
01:42:15,770 --> 01:42:16,690
Is there a handle?

1456
01:42:17,050 --> 01:42:17,230
Yes.

1457
01:42:17,490 --> 01:42:17,830
Can I have a drink?

1458
01:42:18,230 --> 01:42:18,630
Yes, too.

1459
01:42:19,070 --> 01:42:19,890
Pretty Jafer?

1460
01:42:20,250 --> 01:42:20,490
Yes.

1461
01:42:21,310 --> 01:42:22,050
With the hand of them?

1462
01:42:22,350 --> 01:42:22,690
Yes, too.

1463
01:42:23,170 --> 01:42:24,030
Jane, one really?

1464
01:42:24,370 --> 01:42:24,870
Yes, too.

1465
01:42:27,420 --> 01:42:28,420
Nice to have.

1466
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:29,960
Yes, I'm coming.

1467
01:42:33,160 --> 01:42:37,320
You look extremely well.

1468
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:41,180
I want you to have this thing going on.

1469
01:42:41,480 --> 01:42:41,820
Such a load.

1470
01:42:42,140 --> 01:42:42,600
Again.

1471
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:43,300
Yes.

1472
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:43,680
Was it funny?

1473
01:42:50,620 --> 01:42:54,580
So for the record, you started off before COVID, right?

1474
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:55,300
Yes.

1475
01:42:55,840 --> 01:43:00,740
So you had the demo and all that overshame into a wrench and everything.

1476
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:02,500
I know it is for more.

1477
01:43:02,780 --> 01:43:03,980
I said let's do that.

1478
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:05,720
Give me.

1479
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:06,100
Give me.

1480
01:43:06,220 --> 01:43:06,780
Give me here.

1481
01:43:17,060 --> 01:43:31,440
Thank you so much. I really appreciate you guys taking the time and I know how much you guys when you approached it like a council person you came you were very

1482
01:43:35,700 --> 01:43:48,680
I went through it, I've been on the zoning board, I've been on the planning board, and I know how you guys feel, and I know what the applicants feel, but I really appreciate you guys taking the time.

1483
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:49,880
They're excited!

1484
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:50,640
It's about the clock.

1485
01:43:55,100 --> 01:43:56,940
So there's no further discussion.

1486
01:43:58,300 --> 01:44:02,400
So the condition might be so that then and then we do the informal vote.

1487
01:44:02,700 --> 01:44:03,460
Yep, that's good.

1488
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:07,940
I think you have nothing to do on Tuesday, I'm sure you'd like to come to town.

1489
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:12,320
It doesn't have to be this Tuesday.

1490
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:14,700
Yeah, I have a lot of things to do.

1491
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:17,940
Oh my gosh, we need to go.

1492
01:44:18,300 --> 01:44:19,680
All right, we have got to go more or less.

1493
01:44:20,900 --> 01:44:21,300
Congratulations.

1494
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:21,860
Congratulations.

1495
01:44:21,860 --> 01:44:22,060
Good luck.

1496
01:44:22,620 --> 01:44:23,200
Oh, yes.

1497
01:44:23,740 --> 01:44:24,140
Congratulations.

1498
01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:25,700
Thank you for all of your work.

1499
01:44:25,780 --> 01:44:27,200
Thank you so much, really appreciate it.

1500
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:28,260
I'm like more of those houses.

1501
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:29,560
You're welcome.

1502
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:31,240
You're welcome.

1503
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:33,140
Give me 12.

1504
01:44:34,500 --> 01:44:36,420
You can go for it.

1505
01:44:36,900 --> 01:44:39,380
All right, one more thing before we interned,

1506
01:44:39,420 --> 01:44:40,820
everybody we've got 80.

1507
01:44:46,580 --> 01:44:54,120
So, the first one is for 85 Henry, your

1508
01:44:57,990 --> 01:44:59,290
post-edition.

1509
01:45:14,030 --> 01:45:36,530
Okay. So everybody read the moralization. We need a motion to approve. We want to do all three. Okay. I need a motion to approve. 85th, every 134th movement. And 119 minutes.

1510
01:45:36,530 --> 01:45:38,830
Well, I was all free of all.

1511
01:45:39,070 --> 01:45:40,370
I'll double that down.

1512
01:45:42,590 --> 01:45:44,270
Double down your double down?

1513
01:45:44,450 --> 01:45:46,430
Double down, it's very down side.

1514
01:45:46,990 --> 01:45:49,350
But yes, everybody, offer a gold favor.

1515
01:45:50,030 --> 01:45:50,790
Oh, I don't know.

1516
01:45:52,810 --> 01:45:53,670
Thanks, Ellen.

1517
01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:03,520
We'll talk about that.

1518
01:46:03,580 --> 01:46:03,700
We'll talk.

1519
01:46:03,820 --> 01:46:05,080
That is, we just don't moralize.

1520
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:06,500
We just didn't.

1521
01:46:06,620 --> 01:46:08,260
But they're now called reports.

1522
01:46:09,140 --> 01:46:10,900
New York reports, so this is what they get.

1523
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:13,800
This is what you...

1524
01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:16,880
Well, this is what, this is the official decision of this HBC.

1525
01:46:17,380 --> 01:46:20,040
And so does the applicant get this?

1526
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:23,720
I don't know that, but this is the official record in case there's any kind of

1527
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:26,900
got to get more heels or any of that, etc.

1528
01:46:27,260 --> 01:46:28,840
Okay, perfect, because we didn't necessary.

1529
01:46:29,420 --> 01:46:32,960
Well, anyway, Sarah, do you want me to do the motion to adjourn?

1530
01:46:33,100 --> 01:46:33,280
Yes.

1531
01:46:34,140 --> 01:46:35,300
Do you deserve to have the date?

1532
01:46:35,540 --> 01:46:36,040
No, the don't.

1533
01:46:36,220 --> 01:46:37,980
Don't worry, because it's going to be a time to adjourn.

1534
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:38,600
That's your case.

1535
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:39,960
Okay, good.

1536
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:42,780
So then you might care to second my motion to adjourn.

1537
01:46:49,380 --> 01:46:55,200
You guys did a great job tonight, a great job, really good job, it's very impressive.