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[2:11] Heather, would you please call the rolls?
[2:16] There was that check?
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[2:18] Listen to Highland here.
[2:20] There's Bruno Dow.
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[2:21] Finish Avert.
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[2:23] Linda Henderson.
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[2:24] Jane Gordon, Julian.
[2:26] Here.
[2:59] Also, President Sarah, I'm going to start with the first application, which happens to be
[3:05] number four. You're doing a little shake up as far as the order of applications. So would
[3:14] 60 heck please come forward.
[3:22] Front tables.
[3:25] You've got it. Please do make yourself comfortable.
[3:33] Yeah, sure, whatever. Get it with. Near your face at least.
[3:38] Okay, that's it. And Sarah will swear you both in,
[3:43] or you both going to be giving testimony. It's me mostly,
[3:46] then this is my contract. All right, well,
[3:48] I want to take people's warning and testing.
[3:50] I hope you're sworn in just to get to it.
[3:52] I start asking questions you need to answer.
[3:54] So if you could raise your right hand please. Do you swear or a firm?
[3:58] Because the testimony you're going to get tonight will be the truth,
[4:00] the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
[4:02] I knew yes, okay, and could you both just please bug your name for the record? Yes, my name is Joan
[4:08] Excuse me, do you lack in it's D-I-L-A-K-I-A-N, okay, my name is William
[4:16] Grimmer
[4:17] G-R-I-N-E-R
[4:21] Thank you
[4:24] All right, so do you want to explain to the board exactly where it is your application is the description of your work?
[4:30] Yes, I would love to thank you
[4:32] So first of all, I want to thank Hitler.
[4:34] Hitler for adding me to be a gen to this evening,
[4:38] and wish you all a good evening.
[4:42] So by way of introduction, as I said,
[4:44] my name is Joan Delacchian.
[4:46] My husband and I purchased the home at 60 Avenue,
[4:51] this past December.
[4:54] And we are residents of New York City.
[4:57] It's been a lifelong dream to have a second home
[5:00] in Ocean Grove. My family goes back with 125 years in the Asbury Park Ocean Grove area.
[5:08] My father, for example, spent all of his summers up until they joined the Army,
[5:14] staying with his aunt on the Sunset Avenue in Asbury Park and working as a locker boy at the North and
[5:21] and bad houses, so that goes back way ways, right?
[5:25] And my husband and I have been up till this summer,
[5:29] we're tenders for the last 42 years.
[5:32] Well, we're very familiar with Ocean Grove.
[5:34] It is a house where our personal youth
[5:36] is slowly and to share with our children.
[5:41] So we're here tonight to discuss the railing
[5:44] that we were going to install on the back steps
[5:47] to our house.
[5:48] And I'd like to bring up some points in four different areas.
[5:52] One is about the location, one is about the materials of the railing, then about the
[5:58] style of the railing and the safety considerations for the rail.
[6:03] So just very briefly, the location of the railing, it is the back of our house, it is not visible
[6:10] from the street, but from any angle, it is even not visible to our neighbors from their
[6:17] yards from their homes.
[6:21] So in fact the location is an area that was designated by this commission
[6:30] for the placement of a non-conforming outdoor condenser unit by the prior owner who had
[6:39] that installed it as part of a mini-slit system.
[6:43] That's the location of this rail.
[6:48] And in terms of the material, the,
[6:53] well, what I want to say, what is visible from the street
[6:56] are the raw iron railings, the existing raw iron railings,
[7:00] that are in the front of our home, leading from the sidewalk
[7:03] up to the front porch, and also on the west side of our home,
[7:07] there are steps and a side entrance into the house and both of those areas have matching
[7:12] brought iron railings that exist and excuse me those railings existed when you purchased
[7:20] the home.
[7:21] Correct.
[7:21] Correct.
[7:22] I don't know exactly when they passed on but they're not, they're not new by any means.
[7:27] No, no, no.
[7:28] I just wanted to clarify that you did not insure it, correct.
[7:32] Correct.
[7:32] Yes.
[7:32] So it
[7:39] is my understanding is that Rhode Island railings were very common and we're very
[7:51] common in the import external railings in the 1920s, the dating of our house is 1926 and
[7:59] it is my desire to be sent possible to comply with the design details of that house as we
[8:13] on the porch itself, there would be, okay, but leading up, not on the porch now, on
[8:22] the front porch is a wood rail, or round the front porch, yes, also on the front porch
[8:27] are going up, not as in the back, I think you're talking about what was built on the house,
[8:35] So obviously, when the house was built, it was built with work around these, correct?
[8:40] Well, you used to.
[8:41] On the porch.
[8:42] On the porch?
[8:42] By the distance up from the street.
[8:44] It's okay.
[8:45] So I think there was something supporting the steps going up to the porch.
[8:49] I think they did it to the rock-iron ground.
[8:53] In terms of the material, so our contractor bill had recommended that we consider heavy gauge,
[9:07] custom made powder coated aluminum for the railings, and that was part of the first proposal
[9:18] that I made to this commission. And that was rejected because of aluminum. And then
[9:25] I made second proposal which was brought iron. And my husband and I feel that brought iron
[9:32] or aluminum are is stirrier and stronger
[9:36] and will last longer than wood.
[9:41] In terms of the design, the proposed design
[9:47] is almost identical to the existing railings.
[9:51] It has molded, a molded hand rail,
[9:55] it has lambs, tongues, endings, which is what exists.
[10:00] The one difference is that we're proposing
[10:02] straight balusters rather than twisted balusters and the reason for that is just
[10:09] expense. So contractor has told me the twisted balusters would be an
[10:14] additional thousand dollars which I feel is a unnecessary financial bonus
[10:21] given that it's an almost unnoticeable difference the realis are not next to
[10:25] each other they're all on different sides of the house and again these
[10:29] railings are not visible at all from the street.
[10:33] So that is the difference in the design
[10:36] from the existing railings.
[10:39] So when you say the existing railings,
[10:41] you're not talking about your front porch railings,
[10:43] you're talking about the railings that are on the eastern
[10:46] west side and also the railings that are going down
[10:49] the front stairs.
[10:50] Correct, the handrails.
[10:52] Yeah, there's nothing on the east side.
[10:54] So the west side and the handrails going from the side
[10:58] walk right up to the front porch, okay.
[11:05] So, and then the last point I wanted to make
[11:07] is about safety, and oh, you can see there, I didn't realize that picture was
[11:12] made shown. That's the back steps that we're talking about, and you can see the
[11:18] condenser unit that is just at the end of there in that invisible spot in our
[11:24] backyard. And right now that's a very unsafe for us, because the
[11:29] Niagara both in our seventies, as I said, that's a 19-inch drop off the
[11:36] back. And in fact my son-in-law was luckily in his early forties and didn't get
[11:41] hurt, fell off the porch last weekend. And we're afraid of it, and afraid,
[11:46] especially when it rains, it tends to get slippery like the new boardwalk in
[11:52] So I'm here tonight because we're really looking to be able to install something in the near future.
[12:01] I've been at this since May.
[12:03] We'd really like to reach some agreement and get a really installed that needs everyone's approval.
[12:10] So thank you.
[12:11] Okay, thank you.
[12:12] Good like to start.
[12:14] I mean I can if you like.
[12:15] When I'd like to say a couple of things, please,
[12:19] seal it on my head.
[12:20] Just so everyone knows, the aluminum versus the rod iron.
[12:27] Most people don't even know the difference when
[12:30] I put up a railing without, oh, that's
[12:32] beautiful, rod iron.
[12:34] And it's actually aluminum.
[12:36] They don't even know.
[12:38] Looking at this right here, what would you think that is?
[12:42] Rod iron or aluminum?
[12:43] You can't tell.
[12:45] I know it's not wood.
[12:47] It's not wood.
[12:48] It's not wood, correct.
[12:50] Most people don't know.
[12:52] And I do have pictures of the design of what the railing will look like.
[12:59] If anyone's interested in seeing that.
[13:01] That's fine.
[13:02] Thank you.
[13:03] Jen, did you want to start?
[13:05] Yeah.
[13:05] Congratulations.
[13:06] I'm getting a house version, bro.
[13:08] Thank you.
[13:08] I think I didn't attend.
[13:10] What can I say?
[13:11] That's wonderful.
[13:12] I think there are two issues here.
[13:15] I don't know if other people agree with me.
[13:25] Who final-clad,
[13:35] your house?
[13:36] My Janus, your mic on?
[13:39] Yes.
[13:40] All right, here we go.
[13:42] Oh, our guidelines, our guidelines explicitly
[13:44] say that the materials are the problem.
[13:46] The other thing is your house.
[13:48] Yeah, you're probably playing a sentry house.
[13:50] The front yard shows.
[13:53] Obviously, rebuilding something that originally would have
[13:55] would have had a wood railing and wood railing is going up the stairs. So the
[14:01] iron railings can have are not original to your house.
[14:06] Iron railings are not, they could be yes.
[14:11] Ocean Grove railings, the images that I've seen especially for that house would not
[14:17] be appropriate.
[14:22] Add onto that and just see these two major issues and crux of the
[14:28] problem. I think Jenny, number four, because we have
[14:34] to follow our guidelines, page 23, number four, avoid vinyl clad, cast aluminum, cast
[14:40] iron, rot iron railings, and railings that are pressure treated. So those are the materials
[14:46] that are not allowed for railings. The railings that you're looking at to copy, let's say,
[14:53] are non-conforming rallies, so this board cannot prove another
[15:00] Additional non-conformity, which is the railings that you're proposing. We're more than happy for you to put up a railing on the back. I understand you need it, but it would either, and if you're not crazy about wood, there are ways to use ASAP for your vialisters with a wood bottom and a wood top rail. There is also an in-text system that is C-P-B-C railing that
[15:29] that you would also be able to use that as a group
[15:32] by the sport, but what you're proposing and the materials
[15:35] that it is made of are not approved by the sport,
[15:40] and the fact that you cannot see it really doesn't weigh in.
[15:45] Because if that is the case, then anything
[15:47] could be done on the work of the cops as an ocean group
[15:51] and be totally non-conforming.
[15:53] So in other words, whether it's seen or not seen,
[15:56] is still least important to the guidelines and this does not unfortunately but either one
[16:04] of those choices that I just mentioned would be like they're safe, they're sturdy, people
[16:10] have them, they're installed all over town so I don't think safety is an issue.
[16:22] How come this is a Victorian town, and these are Victorian style railings, why are they
[16:30] not performing?
[16:32] First of all, this is a town that has been deemed historic in terms of its period
[16:39] of significance. And all of the homes that are in this particular community need to follow
[16:46] these guidelines. So, if the guidelines state that the materials you're opposing are inappropriate
[16:52] and non-conforming, that's what we've got to do. We've got to follow it. And Rod iron railings,
[16:59] you mentioned earlier, were found in town. They were not on homes. Most of the railings, if not,
[17:06] all of the rallies in homes in OSU growth were wood.
[17:12] And if you said that you think maybe the
[17:14] rallies on that house might have been there from the 20s, they are still non-conforming according to our
[17:20] guidelines, and you offer no proof from old photos that they were, so it's only a guess.
[17:28] Can I use this?
[17:30] Yeah, sure, Jake.
[17:30] So because there's wood on the front of your house, which is probably original and potentially the iron railings we're headed later, I'm saying potentially.
[17:43] Because of course without photographs, we don't know and we have distinctive guidelines that we don't know.
[17:50] But the point here is that we're trying to avoid replicating non-conforming properties.
[17:57] people repeat what they see in town even if it's not conforming and conforming is
[18:05] because we want to maintain the flavor the uber of ocean growth and it's very
[18:12] important because all sides of the house potentially and we see at some point
[18:18] because of what happens in a town like this I don't even say what that is but
[18:24] But your house could be laid bare to eyes on all subjects, and so that's why it's very important to us to maintain that story of labor.
[18:35] I know this isn't what you want to hear.
[18:38] So what would is allowed?
[18:45] As Deb said, and she'll repeat it to you.
[18:47] If you are going to build a railing out of wood, all right, most all wood railings are
[18:54] mahogany.
[18:55] Now, very often that becomes costly, so the bottom rail and the top rail of a system
[19:02] can be mahogany, and the balusters can be azac, which kind of minimizes that rock factor
[19:09] that sometimes happens with balusters, which is probably what happened to your railings
[19:13] that went down the stairs, probably eventually brought in somebody decided to put in the
[19:18] rod on it. However, there is a system, CPDC system manufactured by INTEX, that very closely
[19:30] replicates a wood railing. And if you wanted to look into something that wasn't wood, you
[19:43] It's cellular PVC, so it is a composite material that can be painted, plastic cannot be painted.
[19:52] So cellular PVC can be painted.
[19:55] And Intex is a railing system that you can look into there too, so that the Intex is a
[20:00] computer.
[20:02] Okay, and we have approved, there are two systems.
[20:05] Nautilus and Dartmouth are the two styles that we approve.
[20:12] And understand the whole idea is that then those two systems mimic the whole idea of a traditional wood railing, right?
[20:20] Similar to Dartmouth.
[20:22] Dartmouth, like the college.
[20:25] Similar to what you have on the porch.
[20:28] I mean this porch on the other side has been built because it's made out of cement and you have great steps.
[20:32] That's not original to build it.
[20:34] But these two systems, again, are a way to get a traditional form, so that's the appearance,
[20:41] which is really a bit what Jane is talking about.
[20:44] Yes.
[20:44] You want to make the sense of the place.
[20:46] At some point, somebody could use these later or these things.
[20:51] Perfect.
[20:52] Thank you.
[20:52] You will find some broad iron railings around town, I'm not saying that you won't.
[20:57] But a lot of them were installed.
[20:59] First of all, either before the HPC was started, before I should go up gain to historic status or they were done on the weekend without approval.
[21:10] And that's also possible too.
[21:14] But because they are non-conforming, you cannot replicate a non-conforming design, which is what you're trying to do there.
[21:26] If I may, I have the intake, I understand you're concerned with safety.
[21:30] The intake system, which Deb has explained is a cellular PVC product, so a composite product
[21:37] has to be painted once you install it, once you paint it, the shape of it, the profile
[21:42] is indistinguishable from the historic wood ran, it would match pretty much what I think
[21:47] you already had on your porch.
[21:48] But the thing I wanted to get to know is that our porch is short and I'm sure it's not original because wood just doesn't, you know, it wouldn't hold up there.
[21:58] Well, that's not necessarily true.
[22:02] I have a house in Ocean Grove and my railings were under 15 years old.
[22:09] They were in bad shape but surprisingly not ramen through.
[22:12] So it can hold up if it's maintained with paint and sanding and the original replacement of pure pieces.
[22:20] But my point I wanted to get to is this intact system does have an extruded support metal bar inside the system.
[22:28] I'm familiar with it.
[22:29] If you insert with safety, I think it has a 200-pound green rating, which is, I think, what?
[22:37] So it's incredibly safe if that's what you're concerned with and it comes in the correct heights and they have no
[22:45] most of all those components, you could do it relatively easily and that rear system would match kind of what is
[22:53] appropriate for the style in Ocean Road but would give you the safety and peace of mind that you want.
[22:59] Okay, I mean, it's a viable option.
[23:02] Our guidelines prevent us, forbid us from approving this.
[23:07] We do see raw iron and cast iron in town sometimes, that's legal,
[23:11] and that's the offenses around properties, but not attached to the house.
[23:16] And the historic guidelines written by the architect to put them together was very specific
[23:22] that wood is attached to houses metal if used and is historic is infancy and the difference
[23:30] there is one's attached and one surrounds. I don't know if that helps or not but I want
[23:36] to make sure you know that this product is very durable. It's composite meaning it's going
[23:41] to last forever. All you have to do is occasionally paint it but very very safe as far as we
[23:48] I guess there's a primary concern.
[23:51] Just one more question.
[23:53] How come on the bill date in Oceans Grove,
[23:56] that's part of Oceans Grove, I think it,
[23:58] with the particular offices,
[24:00] but you're talking about the campaign associated.
[24:04] Thank you.
[24:05] How come there's a little bit of railings out there?
[24:07] They were put in before HPC,
[24:09] had anything to say about anything in this town,
[24:11] and they've been very careful to not remove them
[24:14] because if they do remove them,
[24:15] they would be required to put in wood or intense.
[24:20] I also have a six-year table.
[24:22] Is this part?
[24:23] Today's effect is 8.6.
[24:26] It's about 40 years.
[24:27] 40 years.
[24:28] Huh?
[24:29] More than 40 years.
[24:30] More than 40 years ago.
[24:31] In the early 80s?
[24:33] Yeah.
[24:34] We have different.
[24:35] This set of guidelines to that.
[24:37] Yeah.
[24:38] This is the latest three-generation.
[24:41] More than two thousand times.
[24:43] They were updated.
[24:50] I know I know that the railing is on that building
[24:55] I'm throwing only 25 years old
[25:00] And certainly
[25:08] I've been doing this since I've been in the railing business my family since
[25:15] So if you've done railings and erosion road then none of these tools is a surprise.
[25:19] Because if you're not doing it in town for this long you know that wood railings go on houses.
[25:24] So the question...
[25:25] Yeah well I've always done more of the fence again.
[25:27] So the thing you have to discuss with your client is whether...
[25:31] And I've done the last five or six of them.
[25:33] There you go.
[25:34] And fire sites traditionally are metal for the very nature of what they are to give people out.
[25:39] I've got wife, wife, wife, wife, wife, wife, wife, wife, wife.
[25:42] You are that good.
[25:43] Which traditionally arm metal.
[25:46] That's for sure obvious.
[25:47] For obvious reasons.
[25:48] Yeah, that's for sure.
[25:49] But for sure, I only make you not so.
[25:52] Now, I might be opening a can of worms,
[25:55] but I want to be very careful here.
[25:58] At the stair, how many stairs do you have up here?
[26:01] You've got two.
[26:03] Two.
[26:03] Two.
[26:04] No, that's not a board.
[26:05] You want to just make sure the front.
[26:07] No, no, no, no, no, this is what you're
[26:09] Oh, there are two steps in there.
[26:11] And the height of that depth is 19 inches.
[26:14] Okay.
[26:15] You're good.
[26:16] Your 19 inches is all great.
[26:18] Yeah.
[26:19] So if it's 19 inches of upgrade,
[26:21] you can even play in a 30 inch high railing
[26:23] unless you want it to go higher.
[26:25] That's your choice.
[26:27] The reason depth says this is,
[26:29] in Ocean Road, there's a historic allowance
[26:31] that lets you put in a 30 inch rail instead of 36,
[26:35] which is typical code.
[26:36] Right.
[26:36] A lot of older houses have window ledges that are down around 30 inches and you want to be able to look at your window that I was seeing.
[26:44] But in your case, I don't think that's the issue. Safety seems like more than issues, so you'll probably want the 36 inch items.
[26:52] And that is permitted.
[26:54] The only thing I would reiterate, I said it already, but the intact systems do have to be needed, but once put it, they last.
[27:04] I think it will solve your problem. And it's something we can approve.
[27:08] Yeah. I think they're going to prove it intact.
[27:11] We can. If you decide to go with the intact system, then what you would need to do is simply sketch out or pick the new holes that you're going to use.
[27:23] and it looks like you're going to need one, two, three, noodles.
[27:27] The railing would attach to the house at a new wall
[27:30] and then across the wall.
[27:34] Four, one, two, three.
[27:36] Oh, what a desire for it.
[27:38] So four, he would need four.
[27:40] So are we...
[27:41] Wait a minute, one, two, three.
[27:43] I'm still counting.
[27:43] He would be able to hit the back, one on the front, and two on the back.
[27:46] So three on the landing, one down the bottom of the step.
[27:49] Generally on the landing, the railings die into the house.
[27:53] You don't put an empty out place in there.
[27:55] Okay.
[27:56] The top rail and the bottom rail die.
[27:58] You die in the ass.
[27:59] Okay.
[28:00] So that only goes through three.
[28:02] Okay.
[28:02] Three renewals.
[28:04] Save you a little money there too.
[28:06] Yeah.
[28:06] Okay.
[28:07] Now I think you have the option to, you can take a vote on this.
[28:11] Am I correct?
[28:12] Or you can withdraw this application.
[28:15] And then simply come back to a tech meeting on Tuesday.
[28:18] As a customer.
[28:19] To a manager application.
[28:20] And you just amend the application you are behalf.
[28:22] It doesn't cost anything more to frame the amendment,
[28:25] and you just give us the system you want to use
[28:27] which would be a intake system.
[28:29] That would be easy, because-
[28:31] Lord would.
[28:32] Lord would.
[28:32] Whatever you'd choose, you want us to vote here
[28:35] if it gets denied, then you start a new application
[28:38] with Heather on Tuesday, which doesn't make sense.
[28:41] I don't know, but-
[28:42] Because you are going to deny it, right?
[28:44] Well, I think that's how you got to be-
[28:46] I don't think we can pass it.
[28:49] We would be voting in violation of our very own guidelines, which is not something that we can do.
[28:56] They don't just think there's a lot of wrong with the emphasis.
[28:59] And that will be significant.
[29:00] Yes.
[29:01] For the people that need to be approved on Tuesday.
[29:06] Yes.
[29:06] Right.
[29:06] We need to be approved on Tuesday.
[29:09] And they give me the title of that step.
[29:11] But I'm probably the only one who comes with that.
[29:14] But even the following Tuesday was the following.
[29:16] the thought of the final.
[29:19] All right.
[29:21] Thank you.
[29:22] Thank you.
[29:22] Thank you.
[29:23] So what's your plan?
[29:24] So what your plan is, then, you're going to withdraw this
[29:28] application and submit an amended application to the HPC.
[29:34] And it says here the application has deemed incomplete.
[29:37] That's how you look.
[29:39] Well, that's different.
[29:41] That's different.
[29:41] Don't even move.
[29:42] The decision you have to make now is whether you want the vote
[29:46] did not start all over with a new application or you want to rescind your
[29:51] application and submit an amended plan, it applies with the comments and that's
[29:57] what you're interested in. Oh, so there we go. That's the best question.
[30:00] I think it has to. It's the easiest. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
[30:09] Welcome. Thank you. Oh, are those papers? Oh, never mind. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you. All right. So application is for 146. We're going to be hearing the first thing
[31:05] everybody.
[31:07] Thank you for taking the time.
[31:12] We'll go over to you.
[31:14] Hopefully we'll be able to be done tonight.
[31:18] Nice to see you both again.
[31:19] Yes.
[31:22] Okay.
[31:22] Can you state your names for the record?
[31:25] Are you the applicants?
[31:27] And you are the architect.
[31:30] Okay. So, why don't I go with you for a second?
[31:33] How about you both raise your raise?
[31:34] Do you swear or burn the testimony you'll be giving tonight will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
[31:39] I do.
[31:40] Okay, so would you each state your name to the record?
[31:42] I may be counted from the record.
[31:45] May I have your name?
[31:47] N-C-K-E-N-A.
[31:49] Okay.
[31:49] N-A-E.
[31:51] I'm sorry?
[31:52] M-A-E.
[31:52] N-A-E.
[31:53] Okay.
[31:55] Mayor Arman.
[31:57] A-R-A-M-A.
[31:59] Thank you.
[32:00] Thank you.
[32:03] Okay.
[32:04] I wonder, would it be possible to just pull up large the houses fragmentation?
[32:14] These are the old...
[32:15] I was going to say they look like...
[32:17] Yeah, that was the number one.
[32:19] Yeah, they're not.
[32:21] That's why I wanted it, because I'm looking at it.
[32:23] Yes, but the ones that say like 702, 703, I think those are the more recent ones.
[32:30] Yeah, the ones at the bottom.
[33:06] Yeah, we'll look it into that, but I need to find one for the system and I'm not going to be at one point in the board, so I'm going to go ahead and
[33:18] find one for the system that works out.
[33:25] Good for you.
[33:26] Maybe it's always prepared.
[33:28] We've seen it.
[33:33] That's a good tie.
[33:34] That's perfect.
[34:01] 100 percent for
[36:45] the picture of the upper left?
[36:46] The upper left?
[36:48] How about the upper left?
[37:04] We want to tell a little later about height and survive to this, to Kellogg, you know,
[37:09] this elevation, this style shape,
[37:24] and we have gotten approval for the footprint through
[37:29] Zo Man.
[37:30] So we did it one straight too far and then came down to changing the housing so that the
[37:35] house was all so similar.
[37:38] So this one gave
[37:42] a little bit steeper, more importance with what you see around the ocean
[37:46] groove.
[37:47] The door on the side is just for the stairs.
[37:49] So you can go on the clear
[37:54] objective, kind of just blend it in with everything else.
[37:56] I know you guys approved dormitants.
[38:02] Initially, on all three houses, had two to three stories worth of full front forges and kind
[38:10] of pulled back.
[38:10] So this was just a way to try to break up the
[38:23] story.
[38:24] It's a little hard to tell in the flash if you're
[38:29] just a little about getting on the
[38:32] second floor that's under the roof, the third story that comes out over the day and like
[38:38] squares.
[38:47] Maybe I asked the drummer since back in my direction.
[38:51] Yes, it does.
[38:52] So these houses sit up a little bit on the top of your block.
[38:57] Yeah, so I'm not sure if you weren't out of sight, but it is a lot higher yet.
[39:04] But what was I remember in tech that that door were all those were prominent in this straight on it
[39:10] It's actually our less visible on the actual site because of where it's located on the property and where the property is
[39:17] I just want to make sure that's clear.
[39:18] Yeah, and we can look at the other.
[39:20] But I just thought let's just kind of look at this for materials and a few other things.
[39:27] Now you said that that front face and gable that the roof is going to come out over that little
[39:34] kind of falconette that's off to the right correct and those two columns are
[39:39] obviously holding it up. What about on the other side does it just kind of can't
[39:44] to leave her out in space? Yeah it's only, if I remember correctly it's only like a
[39:49] one foot six. So those columns aren't as far forward as about
[39:53] being able to continue to extend past it which you can see. I can see it out with the
[39:57] new old post because the new old post seems to extend. Yes so the columns are
[40:02] holding it up on the right side and then the bay window, the way the walls of the bay would
[40:06] hold up the other side. Understood. Okay. Now the materials that you plan to be using on
[40:13] this. And the individual shingles. Okay, now when you say individual shingles, what are they
[40:20] going to be made of? The hardy work shingles. Okay, individual shingles. All right, because
[40:25] is hardy now makes runs so you realize you're going to be cutting them apart, is that
[40:33] true?
[40:33] No, they don't solve this.
[40:34] No, they don't.
[40:36] No, they only make the runs.
[40:41] They don't make, so you're either going to have to go with a real shape, a wood shape.
[40:50] There is a material that's on the market called News Theater, that's paintable, that is paintable, yes.
[40:57] And you could use that, which is a, I don't know what it's made out of.
[41:02] It's probably, I think it's some kind of CPC, yeah.
[41:07] But no, hardly eliminated the individual shakes.
[41:11] Unfortunately, damn.
[41:14] Okay, so we'll do whatever you want.
[41:17] Well, no, it's just that we don't improve it anymore because unfortunately that run that
[41:23] they used to make is very flat, you know, and it really doesn't look like a shake.
[41:29] It's just pressed into the material, so it doesn't have much of a... it does look very
[41:36] fake.
[41:36] All right.
[41:38] And are those rafter tails that I'm seeing underneath that roof is on the first floor?
[41:45] Yes.
[41:45] Nice.
[41:47] Yeah, and they also, um, there's a note somewhere that says the rafter tails are exposed
[41:51] on the side as well.
[41:52] But I think you can see it in the elevation.
[41:55] Now the, um, windows that you're using are the Anderson 400 series, okay, and the coloration
[42:03] to be a dark sash, some of their.
[42:06] These ones will be painted, but then they won't anyone's.
[42:08] The other houses, so just a couple of the way they come.
[42:12] But these ones just to break it up again.
[42:14] Yeah, no, I think the dark sash is very handsome.
[42:19] Anderson comes with the dark sash.
[42:21] Okay, I'll just tell you, painting them
[42:22] or are you going to order them?
[42:23] These?
[42:24] They'd come with us.
[42:24] They do look like a bronze when I was a kid.
[42:26] Yes, you guys like that, come.
[42:28] Yeah, we have approved it.
[42:30] Yes.
[42:35] I think they all have very few colors, black, dark bronze, the bronze is a nice, little
[42:46] softer. Black is looking very contemporary. We have approved it, but now that we've seen
[42:54] it. It looks very good. The material I was kind of scrolling through here before and I
[43:01] noticed that you had thermatrued dorses. Has that been changed? That is the old one.
[43:08] Okay, thank you. To what? To good? Yes. Okay. Oh,
[43:16] dorses. Okay, so that will be for the front.
[43:21] First floor and also the second. Correct. Okay, thank you. All right.
[43:27] I'm sorry, I was on a roll.
[43:29] You have any more questions?
[43:32] No, you can keep going.
[43:35] I wouldn't bet this is, I wasn't sure what it was,
[43:40] but I wouldn't necessarily take it as colonial revival,
[43:43] especially because of the pinch of the roof.
[43:45] I'm wondering if you had a certain, if you had seen something in town
[43:48] that gave you some inspiration for this, especially the pinch of that roof.
[43:52] The incredible size of the dormer,
[43:54] When a dormer is usually just a single window.
[43:59] You can think of it as you put up the side elevation
[44:01] so that we can see that dormer.
[44:03] How big is that dormer?
[44:04] It's also a little gap.
[44:06] It isn't unusual to approach there in the base.
[44:09] When I think of colonial revival in town,
[44:12] I think of four squares,
[44:15] I think of Dutch colonials,
[44:18] four squares slash crafts in the entire thing.
[44:21] This seems to me not related to those very traditional forms, so I'm wondering what your inspiration was.
[44:31] Well, the inspiration came from the American book, but the American has a book.
[44:36] Yeah, there was just a book. I might get a book, oh no, that's not what it was.
[44:40] It's probably the same one, which is, of course.
[44:46] How big is that door?
[44:49] It's a double window with stuff on the side, so I'm just wondering, because it is rather large, and it should be quite small.
[45:00] Well, I guess the stair is running up the right side, so it's just enough to get headroom going up the stairs. How big is it? I'm off-hand, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's probably, probably in the seven-foot range. Because I think it's a little bit too, maybe it's a little... That's where I think for a door, but it's quite a wide door.
[45:25] Do you have the lower plan that would show the location of those stairs?
[45:29] So it's absolutely necessary to have that wire dormant.
[45:33] It's the zone.
[45:38] Okay.
[45:39] Based on the configuration of the house.
[45:43] Right.
[45:43] And the pitch of the roof.
[45:45] We did.
[45:46] It was the constraints of what had been approved by zoning.
[45:51] So we were restricted by having appropriate pitch roof while also not exceeding.
[45:57] behind that we had gotten approved and he has raised their work. That's where you land with. I think it's a sudden foot plate height for the sake of the state of the union, at least 60 to come up off the stairs.
[46:14] Look
[46:23] at this. It seems to have some elements of colonial, colonial robotic architecture that not to be a synthetic example.
[46:32] that would victimize that I just be a better move.
[46:35] No, I mean, if you want colonial revival,
[46:37] it was perfectly legitimate style for a portion of growth.
[46:42] There's so many examples of it.
[46:45] Because this, again, seems like you have discrete elements,
[46:48] but you don't have a synthetic hole
[46:50] that looks like a traditional form.
[46:54] There's a big dormer who had the second floor,
[47:00] really juliette, not sure what it is.
[47:02] to have more of a picture of and just trying to figure out how to
[47:06] discuss together under the rubric of colonial revival.
[47:10] So that's just my question about back.
[47:12] Can we ask another question about my question?
[47:15] Windows?
[47:16] Oh, can I have a question for you on that point?
[47:19] Yeah.
[47:20] Again, because I'm relatively new.
[47:23] Do we feel the need to label new architectural styles?
[47:29] They are the mix of everything that we have.
[47:31] You can't, you can't really do something that is a mix of everything in town.
[47:35] Or a lane towards a particular spot.
[47:38] 8 or 6.
[47:40] 6.
[47:43] 6.
[47:44] 6.
[47:45] 6.
[47:46] 6.
[47:47] 6.
[47:48] 6.
[47:49] we'll consider mass proportions, architectural style, women's and relationships, blah blah blah.
[47:54] The reason I'm asking this is, I thought the techniques are really quite informative,
[47:58] they're just particular, all of these projects.
[48:01] And they said, pick a style.
[48:04] Pick a style.
[48:05] And when you have a blank slate, you guys have a blank slate, there's nothing there,
[48:09] that you can stick
[48:15] with the style.
[48:16] I mean, of course, some of the houses are now
[48:18] when God has got the sort of money.
[48:21] This is how I got it.
[48:22] The money don't take so many years.
[48:23] I guess I would have a question then.
[48:28] Clearly, there are colonial revival elements here.
[48:31] There are.
[48:31] And as an applicant, whether they're enough or not,
[48:39] it's not enough, it's whether those are actually fit
[48:45] together
[48:45] to be colonial revival.
[48:46] There's seem to be some things I've never seen before.
[48:52] I do. I think the applicant, though, has told us where they came from. You referenced
[48:58] the American houses and be back through the tab. The question we have to, of course,
[49:03] address is what we think it's colonial or Bible, not to ask for the threshold. But if
[49:10] this is what you presented, we have to take it out. This is your application.
[49:14] Now, here I am now.
[49:19] Fantastic.
[49:20] Jenny, is it the deepness of the pitch of that front facing gable, that is kind of throwing
[49:29] things off a little bit?
[49:30] That's who he's not asked, but also they have a certain zoning.
[49:36] No, but what I'm just wondering is that it's very pitched to me.
[49:40] They've had it on the old revival.
[49:41] It's not having a super pitch through.
[49:44] They tend to have a broader, a broader, a broader.
[49:47] I'm
[49:54] sorry for getting on the side, the side image.
[49:57] I'm also wondering a bit about window placements.
[50:01] There are some window placements that are...
[50:03] We're checking the north side or the south side.
[50:09] In north side.
[50:10] I believe it is the north side.
[50:12] But there are some...
[50:13] There are some extremely close to the back of the house.
[50:16] So that would be the north side.
[50:18] They're very, very close.
[50:19] Your window...
[50:20] Your window placements...
[50:23] Very heavy.
[50:24] We'll always know that this is a new building.
[50:26] And I really could trace it as a new building because you are deciding from the inside out where it's traditional
[50:32] in these houses would be designed to be outside in, and much more attention to symmetry and balance.
[50:38] But to have the window so close, I'm wondering exactly how close on the, it is the south side.
[50:45] It's never both. Both sides actually.
[50:48] Both sides actually are.
[50:49] Yes, and now I agree with you.
[50:52] It's extremely close to the edges because this board in the past, it's no good reason because nobody put a window that close to the edge of their house.
[51:04] What is going on in the floor plan that they have to be so close to the edge?
[51:10] They don't have to be. I actually took that specifically.
[51:14] Like then being back close to the corner, I took, again, from the American, but I was
[51:19] in a kind of colonial revival that's not necessarily the case, but they're a foot from each corner.
[51:25] And it doesn't look like it, but if you zoom in on it, it's a 4-inch trim around the window.
[51:31] There's about 4 inches.
[51:34] Yeah, it's possible.
[51:35] It's a 4-inch or 4-inch post.
[51:37] And that's in, like if it was balloon-training back in the day, you'd have probably about an
[51:43] by 8 in the corner or 6 by 6 in the more and then a couple more inches and they are extremely close to the edges.
[51:52] I think they need to, yeah I have to agree I think those windows need to be pulled to center more.
[52:00] All 4th and the ones on the other elevation as well.
[52:04] I think that would be much more, I think it would help.
[52:07] And again, it's a modern building, a house built in 1920 would have much more to sit and try, but
[52:17] oh yeah, look, they're incredibly close to that front-engine, they are.
[52:22] You know what that does visually is it makes you think, I know it won't make you think the building's going to fall down.
[52:27] It is a visual thing as well. I know the building won't fall down.
[52:31] but lining the numbers you did is traditional. That's very traditional. That's perfect.
[52:39] What else do you want to look at? Yeah, I think so. I think we need to see the rear elevation.
[52:46] So you want to scroll up a little bit or just go down there.
[52:50] Down? Yeah. You usually do front. There you go. That's the rear.
[52:59] That's the most successful one, which
[53:16] is one over one to do in colonial revival, which is perfectly reasonable.
[53:21] Yeah, one over one is exactly.
[53:24] Now, the porch itself, that little porch you realize that you have, I'm looking at it from the side, forget it.
[53:31] I was going to question something.
[53:33] I see that it looks like about a three-foot landing.
[53:38] Yeah, it's a little bit more like that, but you know, that's a great idea.
[53:47] Maybe I'm just a dormer pitch person, but
[53:51] by the fact that I need...
[53:54] The pitch could have been changed.
[53:56] In the mind, the only one who sees it that way, I see it that way, I see it that way.
[53:59] No, but what were we talking about the Windows?
[54:01] I'm gonna check that the Windows and the pitch have been moved as far as we know.
[54:06] I'm just wondering, is there a way to put up...
[54:09] with three men that make it more colonial-revised on that rail.
[54:13] Right now, it's like this, like this, or like this.
[54:20] So I think we have to be careful.
[54:23] I know we're not supposed to be designed for that type of design.
[54:26] So we have to write this on what the applicant is presented to us.
[54:30] Peter meets the fair minimum of what we think all applies,
[54:34] or does not in which case our votes should reflect that, I think.
[54:37] I think so, but I think that, yeah, that's what I was going to say too, because I don't think anybody's going to vote for with those windows located where they are.
[54:47] So it goes to the end.
[54:48] That's true, but we have a lot of applicants to go for a vote with sort of an addendum or a console saying we will agree to revise the windows.
[55:00] unless this sounds a little bit more substantial to me.
[55:07] The windows, the picture, the roof.
[55:09] I'm not certain that the normal size
[55:11] is really negotiable given that you have a stair there
[55:14] which is set and you have the head heights
[55:17] that are very close to the 7-foot that you are showing.
[55:20] 6-8 is pretty darn close.
[55:22] Pointless is not going to make a difference.
[55:24] I do think that if the windows and the rear on both sides
[55:28] but pulled in a little, to give a little margin, that would be a very important improvement.
[55:34] The pitch does not bother me so much, nor does the size of the dormant again for the reasons
[55:38] I mentioned earlier, where it's located and with building sense.
[55:42] But those windows could definitely be added as a condition of a group, in my opinion, but
[55:46] other members might advise you other times.
[55:49] Later, we're saying how far into call them.
[55:52] At least the distance of the windows that are on the grid.
[56:02] I think both of you from the corner, I think I would say that I have to, I take that back
[56:12] as far as putting a number on it.
[56:14] I would say if they were pulled towards center, both second and first floor on both ends to visually balance that elevation,
[56:24] then I think that would be fine, and I would do that on both the East and West elevations.
[56:30] Art and Art and Style.
[56:32] No, thanks, Jeff, for getting which William Warren's goes.
[56:37] You know, I'm so used to streets running to the ocean, you know, for getting this run to the west.
[56:44] Can you just put up the front elevation one more time?
[56:47] I just want to look out.
[56:55] I have to say that we're seeing the elevation head on and if we're looking from the street, we're not looking at on, we're looking up.
[57:05] We're not pointing at them.
[57:07] Yeah, I hear what you're saying, Jim, but I have to kind of agree with Jeff on this.
[57:11] It doesn't bother me as much as those windows do.
[57:16] They're falling off the house, but they're too close to the edges, you know, they look teetering on the edge.
[57:25] So it's self-designed.
[57:29] It's not like it's just fun.
[57:31] If you guys are asking for too many fillings in there, then we have to worry about where the walls are inside.
[57:35] But if it's just to get it a little more balanced, I think it's doable.
[57:41] So my question is, what will we be voting on?
[57:46] Now, it could be just to approve subject to amended plans
[57:51] moving the window of the actuses.
[57:54] Or are we voting on to approve amended plans
[57:57] to change the pitch of the roof, change the windows?
[58:01] We've already got.
[58:02] No, I'm not upset.
[58:03] I'm upset we've been voting against it.
[58:04] That's a good vote against it, other people can vote for it.
[58:08] OK, so let me just say.
[58:09] It's limited the window like it's doable beyond that idea.
[58:13] Beyond that, I think that's great.
[58:14] Okay, so that's what it is, it's definitely normal in tech, I would assume.
[58:19] Yeah.
[58:19] Well, wait, but I just want to say there are a few other conditions that would be, the
[58:23] proof would be subject to that we're discussed.
[58:26] Okay.
[58:26] The one is no hearty plank shingles.
[58:29] That's correct.
[58:30] Right.
[58:31] The individual is in live shakes.
[58:33] In the third floor, maybe they have to choose them, choose them.
[58:37] That would be a suggestion.
[58:38] of a material form. Yes. Just a catalog cut of the material. Right. The
[58:43] applicants are already acknowledged that they were attending to do so. Okay. The
[58:48] conditions have to justify that. Right. Verify. Another condition would be
[58:52] switching it out to bronze windows. Bronze, the Anderson bronze windows, which
[58:58] is that proposed on here? I wouldn't make it a condition because they have the right
[59:02] proposal painted. They have the right to put in white windows painted and they
[59:07] have a right to amend it to a pre-colored window if they wanted it's not okay and what
[59:16] doors have all said they proposed they did propose that was a document and for the record
[59:25] there is no pool on this application and I think that's something that you have you are
[59:31] We're stating that through the record that that is not part of this act.
[59:36] I don't have plans before us showing a fool.
[59:38] No, but it is in the application, yes, in this, so I want to clarify that.
[59:44] Okay, so now I understand that that is what you will be doing.
[59:48] Okay, good.
[59:49] Okay, so can we take a vote?
[59:50] Is that good or are we?
[59:51] I'm good.
[59:52] I think we've clarified what it is.
[59:53] Other record?
[59:54] So now it's up to you, folks, too.
[59:56] Let's move.
[59:57] All right.
[59:57] Wait, should we open it for public comment?
[59:59] Yes.
[1:00:09] All right, so now close to the public portion and ask for a motion, drop some Raid's sold.
[1:00:16] I don't know if this application with the discussed, well now, which is definitely no pool, individually applied in shapes and the tables, the gate, the gate will remain and there will be, they will submit a revised drawing showing the adjustment of the items.
[1:00:52] All right.
[1:00:53] And then it will be a wood door.
[1:00:55] It could be.
[1:00:56] But that was part of our team.
[1:00:59] Yeah.
[1:01:00] So that's right, you hope.
[1:01:02] Second.
[1:01:02] 18 seconds.
[1:01:03] All right.
[1:01:04] OK.
[1:01:04] Heather, you want a home role?
[1:01:06] TheVERSOF drive?
[1:01:07] Yes.
[1:01:07] What's in the harland?
[1:01:08] Yes.
[1:01:09] Sure.
[1:01:09] Here we go.
[1:01:10] There's two.
[1:01:11] Here you favor.
[1:01:13] No.
[1:01:13] I have one.
[1:01:20] I know nobody talked about the colors too much, but I think there's a one-night, yes, I think your choice of color was very appropriate.
[1:01:34] Very calm by crowd around town.
[1:01:37] That was nice.
[1:01:39] Well, here we go.
[1:01:40] We are very, very important.
[1:01:42] The application.
[1:01:43] Yeah.
[1:01:44] The application of them.
[1:01:45] We didn't want to do that.
[1:01:46] Absolutely.
[1:01:46] Nicely done.
[1:01:47] All right.
[1:01:48] The next one.
[1:01:49] That we are going to be here.
[1:01:51] We have to do this one at a time.
[1:01:52] So it's 144.
[1:02:02] Not a whole thing.
[1:02:03] I got the numbers.
[1:02:04] I think
[1:02:07] I'm going to try to do that.
[1:02:47] Yeah.
[1:02:47] That is good.
[1:02:50] That
[1:02:53] is good one.
[1:02:56] I'll try to see.
[1:02:57] Yeah.
[1:02:58] Yeah, it's okay.
[1:03:00] It's okay.
[1:03:01] I have one for two.
[1:03:04] All right.
[1:03:05] One for two says the same thing.
[1:03:08] All right, well, this is wrong.
[1:03:11] I'll see if I can give you one of those cases.
[1:03:13] Oh,
[1:03:24] okay.
[1:03:25] One for four alarms does not yet.
[1:03:28] I have some plans.
[1:03:30] I don't have the color reference that.
[1:03:33] No. That was just added today. Oh really? This was added today? No. No. We did not receive it. Well, I still don't have it. I just found it.
[1:04:01] Okay.
[1:04:05] So it was two.
[1:04:07] You didn't have the color renderings, but the zoning basically follows, but everything
[1:04:11] was the color renderings you used to see.
[1:04:13] Okay.
[1:04:19] No.
[1:04:21] Go back to you.
[1:04:23] Okay.
[1:04:23] One
[1:04:25] -four-four months at HBC.
[1:04:28] Try this one.
[1:04:29] Yeah.
[1:04:30] Do you want to see what I mean?
[1:04:34] Look when it was added.
[1:04:35] There was one that says, added seven hours.
[1:04:38] I got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.
[1:04:41] That's what we're doing for the seminar.
[1:04:45] Try that one.
[1:04:53] Yeah, I know what it looks like.
[1:04:55] Oh, what does that do?
[1:04:56] I'll look at the screen.
[1:05:01] I know what that looks like.
[1:05:02] Here's an excellent list.
[1:05:03] It's very exact.
[1:05:05] Okay.
[1:05:08] I don't know.
[1:05:22] I just want to give us a rundown on this particular one.
[1:05:26] This is a Victorian-shaped style, which is how it's labeled in American Home Book.
[1:05:36] And we're in our informal meeting initially we had, I think, a full wall of this year, and we agreed that it's lighter and nicer if we bring those walls down a little bit and have the railing on top.
[1:05:58] and the dormers look very imposing in the front elevation, in the side elevation, they're
[1:06:04] really kind of squat and I think back to the previous house and the next one.
[1:06:13] The dormers do to how close the houses are to each other and how far the dormers are.
[1:06:20] I don't think that we're going to be able to see them very well at all from the street, just because of
[1:06:26] perspective and everything. So I know it looks
[1:06:29] really big from the front, but it's just never, that's never going to be how it's viewed.
[1:06:35] But I did a Gameral roof on this one
[1:06:39] to really break up this one, as I spoke about earlier.
[1:06:42] And we got two story courts straight across with the board of directors.
[1:06:54] Do you know what book she's talking about with Victorian Shakespeare?
[1:06:59] Yes, that's a lot.
[1:07:01] Where is that going to be the field guide to American books of Victorian Shakespeare?
[1:07:11] I have a question for you.
[1:07:13] How far back are the dormers from the front of the house?
[1:07:18] There, I think it's between five and six feet.
[1:07:24] If you want a cross-gable, why don't you put a cross-gable on it?
[1:07:30] You have to add it to deal with the fact.
[1:07:32] There's a large door on it.
[1:07:39] There's a cross-gable on it.
[1:07:40] So I just did it to break it out.
[1:07:42] Yeah.
[1:07:42] Because again, they're very big door marks.
[1:07:44] I'm going to look at the first section.
[1:07:45] You would combine a cross-gable with a gameral.
[1:07:49] A Dutch colonial could have a cross-gable that is also the gameral roof if you had.
[1:07:54] I mean, there's one in Ocean Grove, it's like a little square, it's really cute, as
[1:07:58] Gamble moves all the way around it.
[1:08:02] Actually, this is more about colonial revival.
[1:08:05] I know, I know, that's why I don't know what it's talking about.
[1:08:07] It looks like, it looks sort of like that, when you have that Dutch Gamble roof, you're really
[1:08:12] talking colonial revival.
[1:08:14] Usually, they're steeper, though, but you can have, yeah, I think it's a lot of, yeah,
[1:08:23] So I think as we call it, we could more colonial revival, I think you're covered.
[1:08:28] Call it Dutch colonial.
[1:08:29] Yeah, we call it Dutch colonial.
[1:08:32] We call it Dutch colonial.
[1:08:35] And then you could add that if you really want two things coming out of the side of that,
[1:08:41] then I don't know why you don't have a cross-table or something like that rather than having two tables.
[1:08:51] I think we can't re-design my house, we can't re-design my house, we can't re-design my house.
[1:08:53] I think we should get to be dormers.
[1:08:56] I was going to say on the Ambrole roof, it's very traditional, to follow the line of the top section to create a shed door.
[1:09:03] So I was just a traditional way to do it.
[1:09:06] Okay, I've got to go to the dorm with the scope of what I'm doing.
[1:09:10] I love their non-venny Dutch bamboo roots and their hard sun.
[1:09:15] And it's nice to see another one.
[1:09:17] I like them.
[1:09:18] I do too.
[1:09:19] I love them.
[1:09:19] May and I have a good name.
[1:09:20] It's like a ton of those around me.
[1:09:23] Can't meet you as all those cottages.
[1:09:25] The little cottages, yeah.
[1:09:26] But there's a big one on them.
[1:09:28] There's one on Mount St.
[1:09:29] and Central too.
[1:09:30] We don't see a lot of new ones coming.
[1:09:34] But it's very nice to see it.
[1:09:36] And again, we all have thoughts on what we think might be more or less on a style.
[1:09:45] But we're going to look at what you brought to us and go on what you are presenting.
[1:09:53] Also, I just want to clarify, can I put on the second floor porch, that roof comes out to cover
[1:10:02] in such a flat presentation that, and it looks flat against the house line, I mean, it's not, it does not cover the floor.
[1:10:12] Oh, it's second floor. The third floor is coming over.
[1:10:19] The third floor now, is there a floor flush with the second floor?
[1:10:21] So the second floor, and the first floor, I'm looking, oh, look at the floor.
[1:10:25] Yeah.
[1:10:25] So his flesh.
[1:10:27] Oh, okay.
[1:10:27] So there is an open.
[1:10:29] Yeah.
[1:10:30] It's not open.
[1:10:30] It's not open.
[1:10:31] Okay.
[1:10:32] Thank you.
[1:10:34] I especially like the railing treatment.
[1:10:38] I love the idea of the combination of the baluster and the solid shape.
[1:10:45] I think, again, that's something that you do see in Ocean Road, but it has not been replicated
[1:10:50] very often.
[1:10:51] It's really very handsome.
[1:10:54] Is it?
[1:10:55] Yeah.
[1:10:56] Well, we were proposing, but we were proposing this
[1:11:04] Cedar question, which is an individual shape item.
[1:11:08] It's comparable to a new Cedar, but this is the law.
[1:11:13] So it's a faux cedar, it's individual pieces.
[1:11:17] So you have to find out, but that's what we're proposing.
[1:11:20] Now, if you're going to be doing that on your dual posts, let's say, and also the bottom
[1:11:26] half plan ser with, I don't know if I'm pronouncing the right word, you do realize that when
[1:11:32] you turn the corners, you say do, okay, because I was going to say otherwise you're going
[1:11:38] to have to weave them in.
[1:11:41] Yeah, we are showing a corner cap on the body of the house, but yeah, I don't know, but I
[1:11:50] I was just talking, you certainly don't want these all outlying.
[1:11:54] No, I didn't have their own...
[1:11:56] God, you're up on the floor.
[1:11:57] We're up on the floor, it's wonderful.
[1:11:59] Are those, are there the posts on the first floor?
[1:12:03] Splayed, or they straight up into...
[1:12:06] And now they're straight, it's the index of eight inches,
[1:12:10] or eight inches,
[1:12:14] or eight inches, or eight inches, or eight inches.
[1:12:16] I'll be right back again.
[1:12:17] I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
[1:12:30] I don't think they have to be split, I do not, I think that there are, and I'm looking
[1:12:37] at a whole bunch of them here that are straight, so I think it's kind of an either or situation.
[1:12:43] situation. The only fair enough. Yeah. Can we go back to that first inch of it?
[1:12:50] There you go. Now keep going. There you go. Okay.
[1:12:57] Curious to know what's going on underneath the first floor porch that seems.
[1:13:02] I don't see any sports underneath your columns. You know usually you have
[1:13:09] supports within some clients under the book. Thank you for your support. Oh, yeah, I have
[1:13:16] this vertical exterior and right a hard board painted in one of the store cards, but it would be like a
[1:13:24] bead board. So you're okay. Underneath where your column is, often that bead board is separated into
[1:13:32] base so that you have some sort of a brick that you're covered. Yeah which we
[1:13:39] have on our other house as well so again just trying to break up and all the
[1:13:43] foundations to match. There is a there's a senior base unit that could get
[1:13:47] either a part of shorter. Okay because I think if our guidelines talk about doing
[1:13:55] things in a traditional way I understand you're not
[1:13:58] you wanted to break up that continuity of, oh, they all have repairs. So I think that kind
[1:14:08] of continuity speaks to tradition and that's basically what we look for and the establishment
[1:14:15] The guideline to be looked for what the norm is.
[1:14:18] I have a question for you.
[1:14:20] Yes.
[1:14:21] When terminus uses B4, which I have seen in the notion world,
[1:14:25] it does exist historically in place of lattice.
[1:14:30] Does the B4 get broken and framed?
[1:14:32] Because the B4 generally is framed.
[1:14:35] It's placed with our frame, sort of break it.
[1:14:39] It means it has to, means the pier has to sit proud of it.
[1:14:47] And this isn't insect, it's all way across, I'm wondering if this is correct for the show because it's not insect.
[1:14:56] I still don't think it's a traditional way of building a person.
[1:15:00] I'm prepared to be framed. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. That's something that is a condition you can agree to. Absolutely. And you might also want everything real quick, though, is that if you are going to do vertical boards, it should not be a solid piece. You should have some gaps, or if you're going to rock your porch. Yeah. That would be great. It's just important. Yes. Can you explain to me if there was a condition that was just articulated about brick peers? Yes.
[1:15:30] So on the first floor there are four columns that go across and the columns have a white square column on top.
[1:15:39] The single column is pinned below, then there's a horizontal large board or a skirt board on the porch.
[1:15:46] Underneath each column there should be some sort of brick looking here.
[1:15:52] support. You can see even the porosontal B-tort that goes at grade all the way across.
[1:16:00] Do we broken into B's between B's and B's?
[1:16:04] Seriously, it's more like this in the middle.
[1:16:06] And is that a condition that you can agree to?
[1:16:10] Okay, so make sure I understand that.
[1:16:12] and they asked me to do one thing. Could we look at a window closer so we can see that window
[1:16:21] trims? I have one. If you can just look at that just to clarify because with the light color it's
[1:16:28] hard to actually see what you're there we go. Can we zoom in on that a little?
[1:16:42] Okay. So yes it does have the
[1:16:44] But it has the butt joints, it has the sill ears, and it has the traditional crown that
[1:16:51] we always look at.
[1:16:52] Thank you very much.
[1:16:54] Appreciate that.
[1:16:55] I know that that was a, we talked about that, that's what that was.
[1:16:58] I know a lot of you.
[1:16:59] That was a regular history.
[1:17:01] Yes, yes, yes.
[1:17:02] It's a lot of work.
[1:17:03] Before here, because I know you did a lot of work.
[1:17:04] I don't want all this to go by invisible.
[1:17:08] Because you listen very closely.
[1:17:09] We gave a lot of feedback.
[1:17:11] You were both very open.
[1:17:15] Can we go back to the, because I have a couple more things that I want to look at the sides as well as the rear elevation again.
[1:17:28] In the other house where you decided to change it put in either painted windows for the colored windows, the bronze colored.
[1:17:42] What's their reason you chose to go light on these?
[1:17:46] I was to simplify the color scenes because the other two houses had three to four different
[1:17:53] paint colors and this was kind of just a more simple one.
[1:17:57] The only reason I say that is those windows read like voice and I I don't know I love that
[1:18:04] those green doors, I think they stand out, but then I think those windows become ghosts and I just
[1:18:14] wonder you know you have that combination of the very nice soft cream on your trim and also
[1:18:20] your columns and then your windows are sort of like I don't know they look like holes to make
[1:18:26] kind of recess they recess thank you. I think part of that might be that the glass is illustrated
[1:18:31] here at his point, which is totally glass is either dark gray or black, depending on what's inside.
[1:18:37] So those trims might stand out more prominently on the finished house.
[1:18:43] I imagine that just because rarely do we see glass, which is silver.
[1:18:49] But again, if it's concerned, then you might want to.
[1:18:53] Well, traditionally, and again, if you're talking traditional indos, you throw the windows themselves
[1:19:02] We do it in reverse now a lot of times, but that is traditionally how it was.
[1:19:09] It might be a consideration to do them in that dark green.
[1:19:16] They do have a dark green.
[1:19:22] I know it's not going to be a consideration.
[1:19:28] It does not either or.
[1:19:30] Considerations are things you can think about and compare to update or verification you may.
[1:19:37] I don't know that anyone is going to vote against something because of the color window and I'm clear
[1:19:48] here because this is not a tech meeting. It's a review of the application you've brought
[1:19:53] to us that is complete and for a review. So, I think Jeff, I disagree with you. We get
[1:19:59] into a new show all the time, like two lights outdoors instead of one. So, let's not say that.
[1:20:07] So, to get to less my new show. Also, this house on the northern side has the same window
[1:20:13] Yeah, let's do it all the way so yeah, that's how you're in that's a condition. Yeah, can we look at that does too?
[1:20:19] The floor plans are the same. Yeah
[1:20:24] Well, so then
[1:20:30] Moving to center
[1:20:51] Can I ask you to go to the screen and actually point to the part of some members up here
[1:20:56] or what you're talking about moving and where you're talking about moving or when it comes
[1:21:00] to Windows.
[1:21:00] I don't want there to be any confusion or discussion here when you can show us.
[1:21:08] I understand that the board will go in to the center towards the center, towards the point where the board is going towards the center and towards the center.
[1:21:20] So they'll match the distance to the corner of the tunnel.
[1:21:31] I don't see the yellow, that's it, it says right elevation, yeah, the northern north,
[1:21:38] do you have the south of there, is it the same?
[1:21:41] It's a little bit different, but it'll be in the zoning site.
[1:21:45] I just regret it because I only showed the one understood.
[1:21:48] But the same issue is everything and the other is a bill.
[1:21:52] It's going to match.
[1:21:53] You know, all three of us are going to have the same.
[1:21:55] Got it.
[1:21:56] Okay, great.
[1:21:57] Then that player must not.
[1:21:59] Thank you.
[1:22:03] Is there anything else for it?
[1:22:06] I think we got it covered.
[1:22:08] Public?
[1:22:09] No?
[1:22:10] Read about the arena with us.
[1:22:14] That's going to be an option.
[1:22:15] Did you like the arena?
[1:22:17] Did you paint?
[1:22:18] Thank you for that.
[1:22:19] You like the green on the wind up, right?
[1:22:22] I know, I think I love it.
[1:22:33] We'll meet outside, I have.
[1:22:37] There's no swimming pool above here as well.
[1:22:41] Okay,
[1:22:45] so the only...
[1:22:46] I'm sorry, so the only thing now is just the windows, the, the, the, the, the, the, the
[1:22:52] garage.
[1:22:52] No, there was mention of a garage.
[1:22:55] You were just saying that that was humanly possible.
[1:22:57] We were in your department.
[1:22:58] Yeah.
[1:22:59] Oh, yeah.
[1:22:59] Yeah, that's just something.
[1:23:01] We thought that the, the lots were going to go all the way through to Maine.
[1:23:05] Yes.
[1:23:05] We were thinking how wonderful it would be to have a garage.
[1:23:08] But now that the, the lot, the lot, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, uh,
[1:23:17] would have been nice to be able to park cars, but only access to the car.
[1:23:27] So that's the shame, so that's what happened because it was stupid.
[1:23:32] We made it, we were hoping to put pools there, but since we're now, so we're going to have extra.
[1:23:40] 4N2Z-M1N2.
[1:23:40] And they are under the blue.
[1:23:43] And we are under the blue.
[1:23:45] They are under the blue.
[1:23:45] And we are under the blue.
[1:23:45] We are under the blue.
[1:23:46] And we are under the blue.
[1:23:46] It's not like that.
[1:23:47] Oh yeah, it is.
[1:23:48] I'm very unwell.
[1:23:50] I'm very unwell.
[1:23:53] All right, so we need to take a look.
[1:23:55] Yeah.
[1:23:56] A public purchase, first.
[1:23:58] And we need a motion from someone.
[1:24:01] and it seems that the only stipulations have to do with the windows and the piers on the front of the system.
[1:24:08] I'll make a motion that we approve this application as submitted with the two following stipulations.
[1:24:13] The windows at the rear on both the North and South side will be adjusted in or forward or at the front of the house and that piers...
[1:24:22] No, the center, no, the center, no, the inside elevation thing.
[1:24:26] Both sides?
[1:24:27] Yes.
[1:24:30] Both windows at the front first and second floor, and at the rear of the first and second
[1:24:35] floor on both the North and South elevation would be adjusted toward the center of the
[1:24:40] house.
[1:24:41] And that piers, brick, clad, or brick, the near piers would be shown under each of the
[1:24:50] front porch columns with the board across the front being framed and set in as is traditional.
[1:24:57] My
[1:25:00] second.
[1:25:00] I can go.
[1:25:02] There we go.
[1:25:03] Heather, you want to go to the reception?
[1:25:05] Yes.
[1:25:06] In the Highland?
[1:25:07] Yes.
[1:25:07] Deferredell?
[1:25:08] Yes, to the city.
[1:25:09] Kettyshafer?
[1:25:10] Yes.
[1:25:12] Linda Henderson?
[1:25:13] Yes, to the Canadian board, Jillian?
[1:25:15] Yes.
[1:25:16] All right.
[1:25:17] Two down, one to go.
[1:25:19] Let's go.
[1:25:20] Thank you.
[1:25:20] I have a question for you.
[1:25:22] Welcome.
[1:25:24] So we're showing.
[1:25:25] I think the pain is up there.
[1:25:26] I see it.
[1:25:27] Right there.
[1:25:29] It's been near, but it's all real individual bricks.
[1:25:33] It's about here, is it okay to use the same one?
[1:25:37] Sure.
[1:25:38] Absolutely.
[1:25:38] Because there's a lot of variation in that.
[1:25:41] Yeah.
[1:25:44] Making a little...
[1:25:45] Oh, I think that's fine.
[1:25:47] I don't know.
[1:25:48] I don't want to throw a lucky wrench.
[1:25:49] But it could, it could.
[1:25:52] Oh, okay.
[1:25:52] Yeah.
[1:25:53] What do you think it's going to be?
[1:25:54] Oh.
[1:25:55] Okay.
[1:26:06] All
[1:26:08] right, so the last one that we're going to be
[1:26:13] going to be one for you to, one for you to, thank you.
[1:26:38] You can see there's just, yeah,
[1:26:42] how deep those lots were.
[1:26:45] So this is what I had for 1.2 design practice, so I'm going to go up those.
[1:26:50] It's Mark 144, even though it's 142 in the files that I have, haven't it?
[1:26:55] The one that you just had over was the right one.
[1:26:58] The one, 7 or 2.
[1:27:00] That's what I'm talking about.
[1:27:03] Now there's another one.
[1:27:05] So I think that's the one that I...
[1:27:06] You gave us two.
[1:27:11] It's Mark's...
[1:27:12] It's the last time I've had three years.
[1:27:14] It's the last time.
[1:27:16] Now this is design, when HBC design packet.
[1:27:19] Yeah, this is different. Yeah, I know, that's what I was going to do.
[1:27:22] That is my three. I have it. Look, it came up.
[1:27:25] I feel like there's a lot of things in here.
[1:27:28] There's a lot of things in here.
[1:27:30] Yeah, I think the old design that only went to the tech meeting is also different.
[1:27:36] Yeah, I think so too.
[1:27:37] Okay, so we don't really have the key in
[1:27:42] what I see here.
[1:28:01] How was I starting to get the lock out there?
[1:28:03] Did you?
[1:28:06] Oh, I'm sorry.
[1:28:07] Yeah.
[1:28:07] I made it for Jason because I took one out of the one in from
[1:28:19] start to finish because it's
[1:29:52] so nice to see it come on a new build.
[1:29:55] Yeah, this was I think when they all kind of looked like this, that was the one.
[1:30:02] I think during the last time we met, you mentioned that, what would it say?
[1:30:09] Yeah, no, I think it's nice. It's nice.
[1:30:13] Yeah, it's nice.
[1:30:17] Okay,
[1:30:21] so, so this is our sixth title. We've got three floors of porch all the way across
[1:30:31] the house and this one doesn't cross cable but we do it as an overhang. It doesn't, the wall
[1:30:42] doesn't look fresh. I don't know if that's a preference but the roof kind of
[1:30:47] continues straight across which you kind of see in the side elevation. It would be
[1:30:53] It's not forward, it's already below, and then I'll just break up.
[1:31:05] I think this view and really fitting for ocean growth.
[1:31:10] But again, the windows are receding on me.
[1:31:16] And I know we're not supposed to get into design.
[1:31:20] But the color that you have, and so I apologize,
[1:31:24] and this is just consideration.
[1:31:26] The color that you have on the rails.
[1:31:29] Yes, it's a gray. It's a cool gray. Oh, it's a gray? Yeah, it's um, it's damaged in gray.
[1:31:39] Okay, so that's what's on my shirt on the windows. Just put it in a pinion.
[1:31:47] Yeah, I think the darker windows, I agree with you, Jane.
[1:31:50] The other thing is the mullion pattern is not something that you would find on a stick style.
[1:31:57] As a colonial, you really want to do two over two rather than the six over one.
[1:32:05] And you can agree to that as a change that you will make it.
[1:32:09] Man, it's going to be a question.
[1:32:11] I can't see, because I don't have this, are these charted posts?
[1:32:16] Yes.
[1:32:17] It's the index six and a half turn column or a certain post, okay.
[1:32:23] And then the normal posts are also text
[1:32:31] and terminal posts.
[1:32:34] Just understand.
[1:32:35] So their target post is a paper doll?
[1:32:38] Is a paper doll in the first one of all of them?
[1:32:41] Yeah, do you have a close up?
[1:32:42] Yeah, we can see it.
[1:32:44] Do you have a close up or show us a close up?
[1:32:48] Yeah, the whole round system.
[1:32:50] It's all the same as paper doll.
[1:32:51] Oh no, it's not.
[1:32:52] It's not a turret doll.
[1:32:53] This is, yeah, this is all turns out to be normal.
[1:32:58] It's a, it's a part of the background.
[1:33:00] Yeah, it turns back back.
[1:33:02] Uh, spindles, spindles?
[1:33:05] Yeah, turns, spindles.
[1:33:07] That's kind of a very unusual for a stick star.
[1:33:10] It looks like, okay.
[1:33:11] In other words, on, and, and believe me,
[1:33:14] I think the design of this is wonderful,
[1:33:16] but the flat cut corner pieces that you have on a house
[1:33:22] like this you would also have flat cups for your railings you would have a paper doll railing
[1:33:29] not a turn. Or at least one paper doll or at least one. Right, we do see on some houses
[1:33:37] a combination where you have a couple paper dolls with a couple spindles that are spurs.
[1:33:43] It gives it that sort of flatness that we expect. Right. It also gives you a lot of
[1:33:49] What sort of transparency instead of boxing you in,
[1:33:52] I think that other members are absolutely correct here
[1:33:57] that all spindles are probably working against.
[1:33:59] I don't know where you can have different things
[1:34:01] on different floors.
[1:34:02] If you look at historic shows, yes.
[1:34:04] My other question about the front,
[1:34:05] now we can actually see a piece.
[1:34:09] Poor shrillings, if we go back to the end
[1:34:11] of the entire facade, the
[1:34:23] floor, why is the porch
[1:34:25] all the way across instead of just being
[1:34:28] I think more traditionally, even on places that they should have where you just have a center
[1:34:33] and a jewelry at porch, rather than having how tall is it over there in the corners.
[1:34:40] You know, I'm saying the way the quote, when it edges under there, it leaves a groove.
[1:34:45] I think it's, it's a little, it's a three-foot floor,
[1:34:48] or because it's just above, it comes just above the roof.
[1:34:51] I mean, it's more common to know, should go out on the third floor, just a center thing.
[1:35:02] I don't know what one that's why I'm saying that I'm saying what I see is whatever I
[1:35:07] see as tradition.
[1:35:08] That's my comment about this is what they've shown, I see it as something that doesn't
[1:35:14] seem to be very, very
[1:35:18] now.
[1:35:18] They am I correct in assuming that the full with third floor porch was driven in part by
[1:35:26] the fact that your house height was set and the pitch of your roof gave you extra space
[1:35:31] whereas in a more traditional stick style, that kind of dies into it.
[1:35:37] But if you have the height, my question for members would be, is it non-conforming or is
[1:35:44] it simply unusual, meaning you could certainly get chairs in that area, certainly broadens the
[1:35:50] area of use is it not conforming to the style or is it simply unusual in ocean
[1:35:56] growth? I think by eliminating it though you
[1:36:01] caused some problems for that second floor because now you've removed it
[1:36:05] through. So I think you're now you're redesigning the entire front
[1:36:10] elevation. No I don't really have. I'd rather this because you're you're
[1:36:18] railing height at least is able to die back into the house as opposed to dying into the roof.
[1:36:25] So I don't have a problem with that at all.
[1:36:28] But there's all 36 inch railing.
[1:36:31] Yeah, yeah, I don't have a problem with that.
[1:36:35] No, I don't either.
[1:36:36] But I do agree that I think it's an abundance of term.
[1:36:39] It's an abundance of symbols.
[1:36:41] Yeah, it's just that I think you've got really all squared.
[1:36:46] You mean like that's not as busy, but I know it's still all paper doll. No, like a square.
[1:36:52] Oh like about a square? I don't think you want all of those.
[1:37:00] I would, yeah, you know, there might be a possibility of, I don't know, three squares in a
[1:37:05] turn, three squares in a turn. More different, more different balls to be made.
[1:37:10] So it is crucial that we're suggesting, right now, can they come back into this attack?
[1:37:17] Yes.
[1:37:18] Absolutely.
[1:37:19] In other words, if you, in other words, I think, correct me, Sarah, that if we would be able
[1:37:25] to approve this with some further designing worked out on those work.
[1:37:30] As a condition of railing as a condition of the crew.
[1:37:34] Okay.
[1:37:34] Yes.
[1:37:34] So what did we specify?
[1:37:36] I think the windows were talking about two over two.
[1:37:40] And we're also talking about maybe a little something else in terms of the railings, but different.
[1:37:49] Ballister.
[1:37:49] Ballister.
[1:37:51] Yeah.
[1:37:52] We do the science.
[1:37:53] And as you say, if we're going to talk about the winners inside, I just thought of something that I'm seeing.
[1:37:58] Because we have a job and door on this house is bumped out.
[1:38:02] So, the second floor comes out over, so it's the second floor square with the plane
[1:38:12] that the front door is on.
[1:38:14] This is hidden by the balcony, like cantaloupe or cantaloupe, but if we move the first floor window
[1:38:22] in more, we have to move the second floor window in more and I feel like it would draw more
[1:38:27] attention to the difference.
[1:38:29] Where is only the other side, they are lined up only two of them together and it's not unusual, but I think on this side specifically, it's a new district point.
[1:38:39] What about the rear?
[1:38:40] Like farther in, in a way.
[1:38:42] Yeah, I think, for some reason, it's not as disturbing and miscelebration as it is in the other side.
[1:38:49] On the map, we're still small.
[1:38:50] This is the wall on the back.
[1:38:53] This is the wall here.
[1:39:17] Yeah, yeah, yeah, so like this one there's the bigger gap right on the first
[1:39:24] If we say that we like to feed what's said from the corner,
[1:39:29] I can have that match on the other side.
[1:39:30] It's just this side.
[1:39:31] I've got you right now.
[1:39:32] I just can't believe it.
[1:39:33] I think you're asking me to be right back.
[1:39:35] And which side is it that you're not
[1:39:36] going to move the front side?
[1:39:38] This is the main side.
[1:39:39] This is the main side.
[1:39:40] I don't want to say it yet.
[1:39:41] OK, we've got it.
[1:39:49] My question to anyone, I'm sorry, what was that?
[1:39:53] I've asked you with every quote on the condition.
[1:39:56] Oh, yeah.
[1:39:57] So we're talking about re-examining the design
[1:40:00] of the ballasters on all three porches, changing the windows to two over two's, moving the west,
[1:40:09] the west, the windows, the north and south, the rear on the north, the rear on the north.
[1:40:15] We're on the north, all four on the south. Yes, thank you. Thank you.
[1:40:21] For the paper doll. Yeah, does it have to be a wood paneler?
[1:40:26] We do.
[1:40:27] We do.
[1:40:28] Keep in mind that if you're having a multiple grown-ups,
[1:40:32] they're not going to be able to all stay half-
[1:40:34] No, they're both, they're going to be able to all stay half-
[1:40:36] They're going to be able to all stay half-
[1:40:36] Yeah, just two words of peace.
[1:40:39] Two words of peace.
[1:40:40] I thought it was a fine move.
[1:40:43] No, it's a fine move.
[1:40:44] No, it's a fine move.
[1:40:45] So I just want to say that the other way.
[1:40:47] The other way is the valve.
[1:40:49] Oh, okay.
[1:40:49] A couple of the three houses.
[1:40:50] The varsity.
[1:40:51] I think that was probably a good grade job.
[1:40:53] I was lucky enough to be there early on in the followable process.
[1:40:57] So I saw how you differentiate this along the way.
[1:41:00] This is my favorite house in my farm.
[1:41:02] It's really lovely.
[1:41:05] Very nice.
[1:41:05] Nice job.
[1:41:07] Public.
[1:41:08] What do you think?
[1:41:11] What do you think?
[1:41:13] What do you think?
[1:41:13] What do you think?
[1:41:14] He's done.
[1:41:15] He's done.
[1:41:15] Okay, that's it.
[1:41:21] Let's make a motion. There's nothing else, right?
[1:41:25] I don't think so.
[1:41:26] I'll be gone.
[1:41:29] Motion to approve this with the condition.
[1:41:34] The condition is which are the moving of the north and south windows as discussed.
[1:41:42] Yes, the two over two windows and the change in the ballast service to a, no, not to anything
[1:41:56] just a redesign of the ballast service.
[1:42:02] To be, that would be looked at in tap.
[1:42:05] That does not require coming back to me any minute.
[1:42:09] Great.
[1:42:10] I'll second that motion.
[1:42:13] Heather.
[1:42:14] Does it touch him?
[1:42:15] Yes.
[1:42:15] Is there a handle?
[1:42:17] Yes.
[1:42:17] Can I have a drink?
[1:42:18] Yes, too.
[1:42:19] Pretty Jafer?
[1:42:20] Yes.
[1:42:21] With the hand of them?
[1:42:22] Yes, too.
[1:42:23] Jane, one really?
[1:42:24] Yes, too.
[1:42:27] Nice to have.
[1:42:28] Yes, I'm coming.
[1:42:33] You look extremely well.
[1:42:37] I want you to have this thing going on.
[1:42:41] Such a load.
[1:42:42] Again.
[1:42:43] Yes.
[1:42:43] Was it funny?
[1:42:50] So for the record, you started off before COVID, right?
[1:42:55] Yes.
[1:42:55] So you had the demo and all that overshame into a wrench and everything.
[1:43:01] I know it is for more.
[1:43:02] I said let's do that.
[1:43:04] Give me.
[1:43:05] Give me.
[1:43:06] Give me here.
[1:43:17] Thank you so much. I really appreciate you guys taking the time and I know how much you guys when you approached it like a council person you came you were very
[1:43:35] I went through it, I've been on the zoning board, I've been on the planning board, and I know how you guys feel, and I know what the applicants feel, but I really appreciate you guys taking the time.
[1:43:48] They're excited!
[1:43:50] It's about the clock.
[1:43:55] So there's no further discussion.
[1:43:58] So the condition might be so that then and then we do the informal vote.
[1:44:02] Yep, that's good.
[1:44:04] I think you have nothing to do on Tuesday, I'm sure you'd like to come to town.
[1:44:10] It doesn't have to be this Tuesday.
[1:44:12] Yeah, I have a lot of things to do.
[1:44:16] Oh my gosh, we need to go.
[1:44:18] All right, we have got to go more or less.
[1:44:20] Congratulations.
[1:44:21] Congratulations.
[1:44:21] Good luck.
[1:44:22] Oh, yes.
[1:44:23] Congratulations.
[1:44:24] Thank you for all of your work.
[1:44:25] Thank you so much, really appreciate it.
[1:44:27] I'm like more of those houses.
[1:44:29] You're welcome.
[1:44:30] You're welcome.
[1:44:31] Give me 12.
[1:44:34] You can go for it.
[1:44:36] All right, one more thing before we interned,
[1:44:39] everybody we've got 80.
[1:44:46] So, the first one is for 85 Henry, your
[1:44:57] post-edition.
[1:45:14] Okay. So everybody read the moralization. We need a motion to approve. We want to do all three. Okay. I need a motion to approve. 85th, every 134th movement. And 119 minutes.
[1:45:36] Well, I was all free of all.
[1:45:39] I'll double that down.
[1:45:42] Double down your double down?
[1:45:44] Double down, it's very down side.
[1:45:46] But yes, everybody, offer a gold favor.
[1:45:50] Oh, I don't know.
[1:45:52] Thanks, Ellen.
[1:46:02] We'll talk about that.
[1:46:03] We'll talk.
[1:46:03] That is, we just don't moralize.
[1:46:05] We just didn't.
[1:46:06] But they're now called reports.
[1:46:09] New York reports, so this is what they get.
[1:46:11] This is what you...
[1:46:13] Well, this is what, this is the official decision of this HBC.
[1:46:17] And so does the applicant get this?
[1:46:20] I don't know that, but this is the official record in case there's any kind of
[1:46:23] got to get more heels or any of that, etc.
[1:46:27] Okay, perfect, because we didn't necessary.
[1:46:29] Well, anyway, Sarah, do you want me to do the motion to adjourn?
[1:46:33] Yes.
[1:46:34] Do you deserve to have the date?
[1:46:35] No, the don't.
[1:46:36] Don't worry, because it's going to be a time to adjourn.
[1:46:38] That's your case.
[1:46:39] Okay, good.
[1:46:40] So then you might care to second my motion to adjourn.
[1:46:49] You guys did a great job tonight, a great job, really good job, it's very impressive.