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We're posting a set notice on the voter board. I'll give you a small complex and on the township website,

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a township website, F2N Township.org. Fire exits, which are clearly marked in the direction that we're pointing. In an event of an emergency or fire alarm, please move in a convict order in the manner that we're supposed to proceed here for the conduct of this meeting as this follows. A job can't be explored in and asked to describe their votes.

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In this year's we'll then have the opportunity to ask the questions on comments or suggestions.

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As the direction of the care the public portion will be over for questions and comments related to the application before the commission.

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Members of the public wishing to speak should come forward, state their name and address for the record and reach the point.

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in. Chair reserves the right to limit public comment to one five-minute session for application.

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At the conclusion of the public portion, Sara B. It's Patrick S. Wire, Attorney for the Commission,

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will summarize the conditions, suggestions and or approvals prior to the Commission's vote on

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the application. The historic Preservation Commission will complete all business, no labor,

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No new testimony or applications will begin after 10 p.m.

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Minnes of this proceeding are electronically recorded and a copy of the recording will be available for review at the HPC office.

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This time we asked it all cell phones be out of your turn off or set to vibrate.

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Commission appreciates the cooperation of all attendees in limiting any unnecessary noise during the meeting.

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Okay, Heather, would you please call roll?

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Yes, there were some time here.

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Listen to Highland here.

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Do you have any two percent female?

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There's no presence.

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Linda Henderson, here.

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Ain't going to kill you.

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Here.

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Also, presence are eight percent female.

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That's why.

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Okay, would everyone please rise and salute the flag?

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

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and to the Republic for which it stands.

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one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you.

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The first application that you're going to be carrying this evening is for 104 Clark.

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Would anyone who is going to be test-fired?

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What?

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Hold on.

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Hold on.

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We want to do this first.

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You can just do them with me.

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That's it.

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All right.

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before you so we can kind of come on up and get yourself settled. What we're

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going to do is we have three reports for memorialization, 146 Lawrence, 144

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Lawrence, 142 Lawrence. These are applications from New, two and a half

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stories, single family homes. We've heard these applications at the last

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meeting and now we are going to memorialize their approval or acceptance. I need

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emotion to truth, ball three, ball three, as written?

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I'll second it.

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All right.

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Heather, you want to call roll?

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Yes.

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Thanks.

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Deborah's up, Jeff?

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Yes.

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Linda?

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Listen to Highland?

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Yes.

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Jeffrey Rudolph?

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Yes.

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Jennifer Babson?

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Linda?

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Yes.

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Jane Gordon-William?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Great.

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And also, if I would have learned to read my agenda, I wouldn't have brought you guys up

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your system.

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One item of new business that will only take two minutes. We had a contractor

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who came into the HPC office with a new product. One was for a new decking material or a

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portage-tongue group material, and the other was for a railing system. We asked if every

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Every member of the board could come by and review these products in person.

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As you know, there's a lot of new products that are coming on the market.

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Our criteria for these new products is how closely these new products resemble the original

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materials that were used historically in Oshu Road.

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So in reviewing the Timbertech tongue and groove, the members who came in to review it said

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favorably that the appearance of this particular product was acceptable.

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Is there any member who'd like to add to that or can we vote on accepting this new product

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does something that we would agree to approve in new applications.

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This is the 10th or 10th time they need to be exploring material.

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So what I did is in motion to approve this material.

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I need a second.

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All right. And I think we can do it.

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Linda. And I think we can do it.

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Are we accepting all the colors?

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What were the colors that we reviewed you on the list, Heather?

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There were three, right?

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Yeah.

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So was that something that you all agreed on?

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Yes.

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Wal-Hawgene.

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I know.

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I can't either.

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It wasn't.

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It was written on the city.

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It was written on the city.

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It was written on the city.

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It was written on the city.

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It was written on the city.

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There was a one that was very mahogany in color.

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There was one that was had gray tones.

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And there was one that had more soapy tones to it.

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We certainly do that because the only ones that this commission looked at were the three

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that were brought in by the contractor, true, and we thought they were all accepted and

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we thought they were all three acceptable.

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So the only thing we need to do is clarify what three that's right.

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That's the only thing we need to do is clarify what three that's right.

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And that's all.

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Those are the only ones that we prove were those three.

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Thanks.

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Then the other thing was the porch rally act that was through the, they did, okay, all right, so I don't even have to go through.

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So Deborah, yes.

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Listen to Highland, yes.

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Jennifer, what up?

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Linda Henderson?

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Jane Gordon, really.

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Okay, so that would be an item that if it is applied for, we would consider it on the informant.

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All right, now we can get to the first application, which is, yeah, I've got a work clerk.

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But now I've got over here, that's $69.00, yeah, I guess,

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we sent you out to us as one of my

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I am so sorry

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That's the one drive and also as I'm looking at the one-drive dance is one of four carcassyls this first

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All right

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Good evening

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Jeff, you mean, I mean both are slowing down a lot,

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the drawer is slowing down right underneath me,

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okay, talk.

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It's May, but I have currently on here.

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So the Carolyn is the only person who really needs to be sworn in.

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That's the way they expect to be.

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Gotcha.

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Okay.

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Better like that.

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I think you're right.

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Do you swear or affirm that the test money will be giving tonight will be the truth or not.

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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And I've got you.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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So we get started.

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Heather, can you put up the visuals for this particular?

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I don't know where I'm going to look at first, the sandboards or do you want to go straight

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to the areas that are going to be demolished on this building?

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Let's start with the sandboards.

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Do you guys just look?

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I would ask.

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Good place.

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Do you have a good mind?

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I think that's easiest.

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All right.

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You know, sandboards aren't terribly precise, but you know, they're good.

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general information. So this is 69 Benson. It's a corner lot at Marie and then

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Marie jogs and it doesn't go through any longer. But you can see here clearly

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the 1890s and born is nothing to do with the print of what it's now. So nothing

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was there then?

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Caroline, can we speak into your question?

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Yes, sorry.

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this is the 1905 map.

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The footprint of this is in keeping with much of the footprint that's there today.

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There you can see a porch on the, I wonder if this is the northwest side where the entrance

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to the house is, that's consistent with today.

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The general mass is somewhat consistent, the bump to the back, there is a bump to the back, but we're not sure if it's exactly in the same location, but once again I'm not sure how precisely accurate it is.

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then we can go to the,

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it's nice that they're online now isn't it?

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So, this is a blow-up.

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Yeah, I blew this up so you could see it, the resolution is not very good, but you could see it relative in scale to what the 19.

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So here's the 1930.

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Now you can see that there is a bump out on the front of the house, facing Benson, that did not exist previously.

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You can also see the back of the house has a whole different configuration in there.

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And we're going to talk more about the evolution of the construction of the house.

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So we can go to the...

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Okay. Actually, I'll go to the photographs before we go to the calculations. If he scrolled down, yes. Okay. These are the photographs that are included in the submission. I also have them printed at a larger scale. If we need to reference anything more closely. The upper left photograph is showing from an angle, the front facing, and you're also seeing the north side,

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which is very hard to get a photograph of because the houses are so close together so that's the best I can do.

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The middle photo on the top is the front elevation, which is what the house looks like today.

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My photographs are the front steps and the stoop in these photographs are very sad.

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deteriorated and rather rickety, I will say, but the homeowners have since already renovated that, so it looks much nicer I drove by it earlier.

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The photograph on the right is the side elevation, which is south, and the bottom two photographs each are looking at the rear of the house,

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two different angles where I think it's pretty evident that was all messed around with during

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course of time. So the thing about this house that's always been kind of striking is that there are

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eight steps to go up to the front porch and you can see it in these photographs that the renovated

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porch is the same way. I drove the neighborhood before coming over here just to really be clear,

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There is nothing in this area that is more than three risers onto the porch.

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There are a few instances where it's four risers, but there is nothing that is eight risers onto a porch.

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Also, in general, driving around, foundations are typically brick painted or natural.

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And that's not just in this neighborhood, but typically in Ocean Road, or it's a block

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that has like a faceted hammered face to it.

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And this does not have that.

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I have a photograph. I mean, you probably submitted that, but I did print one of the photos.

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I don't think I sent you this one, but okay, then one mark that is in an A1 and can you just describe where the one is?

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It's a blow-up of existing right-side view. Thank you.

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Okay, one. Yes.

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So, apparently just to be clear, that actually is part of the focus.

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Oh, it is.

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It's just the flow.

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All right.

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Okay, close up.

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So, identify the point that she wants like that.

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Yeah.

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So, we still should mark it because it's a blow.

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Yeah.

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And if you have the ability to zoom in, you can see it as well.

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I know that you can see it very well from this distance in your first place.

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But we'll see that the finish on the foundation is not a typical

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It's a normal motion row of foundation.

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And this is the yeast salivation.

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That is the right size.

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Right size, so that means it's the yeast.

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Right, that's on the side.

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It's the south of the base.

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That's on the side.

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That's on the elevation.

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Okay, good.

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Thank you.

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What's the though?

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It's painted a center block.

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Is that one too?

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Yeah.

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Doesn't it look like a perfect one?

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No, it's like painted and it's not.

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It's not.

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It looks like it.

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So, and also the window proportion, which you see,

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there. And again, it's just a blow up of this photograph. The proportions of those basement

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windows is not very, um, 18 million. They are rather 1940s-ish. So Marilyn is a year

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believed in it. Yes, house was raised. So it gets my belief that this was raised. It does

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have a usable basement. The homeowners do use it. You know, it's an asset from their perspective

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of attributes for house, but it is not original.

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This house has been worked with and manipulated over the years and does not fall into the

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category of the original.

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The other thing that's unusual about this house in the existing front view, the photo in

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in the middle, you can see the gable facing dense and is extremely steep in angle.

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Which again, I, in a house like this, that's sort of a bun's alone, but that steep gable

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is sort of alien, that steep gable goes more with a Victorian.

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So it feels like at some point, again, when they excavated it, raised it up, they probably

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we did a change to this gable because they thought it was making it more Victorian.

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So we have a little bit of a hodgepodge going on and then the other awkward result of

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this is the photo on the right which is again the south side view photograph actually makes

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it look better than it really is but you're seeing the gable facing Benson but you're seeing

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a hip roof facing the rear of the house, and it's particularly awkward in this case.

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You can sometimes have a hip when you have an L-shaped building, but the roof pitches

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are typically the same roof pitch, so they come together in a nice neat square.

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In this case, you have that very steep front pitch that we just talked about, which is merging

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with a shallower pitch, which again, we only can get this limited view of on the left side view.

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It's not a shallow pitch house, it's probably an eight on twelve, but that front pitch is like a fourteen.

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So it makes her an extremely awkward line where the two planes of roof meet each other.

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So once again, I don't think that was an original creation.

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So obviously the house does not have original sighting on it.

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This is a positive

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vinyl sighting.

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The shutters are not original.

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The windows were not really proposing to change anything in this demo application.

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But I think they are somewhat original, except for the bump out to the front because that didn't exist in the original line and the ones to the back and the shed dormer at the top.

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So there aren't non-originals, but probably the two on the south side and one on the rear side are original.

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I didn't mention that on the, so to me earlier on, you mean the demonstration openings

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are original or the witness themselves are original or we don't know yet.

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Yeah, they're not ongoing.

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You don't think so?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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I mean, sorry.

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Yeah, when you say you don't think the windows are original, are they all wood?

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Do they have storms?

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They take storms.

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They take storms.

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Are they all wood?

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I don't think so.

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I think I know the ones on the back are vinyl, okay, we're not, we're not touching, we're not touching, today's conversation, so I wasn't focused on that and I'm sorry, thank you.

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basement windows are clearly metal frames, there's nothing special. There is this

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unusual rounded roof thing on the backside of the house which shows in the

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lower left photo. Some previous owner was being very creative and thought this

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would be a really wonderful Victorian addition and way to influence the stair

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access to basement, so you know it's really special I don't know if we're

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ultimately going to remove it or not but it's not included in our calculations in

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first place because it's not a habitable space it's just an access to the

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basement and your ordinance excludes that from the calculations but just a point

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out with that brown thing is it looks like it should be a doghouse.

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But not counting to be clear, if it were to be counted, it would not increase us to above 50 percent or above.

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Correct.

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Okay, so that's running you through basically what exists.

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Then we can go back to the plans.

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What do you want to start paying for?

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Okay, so in the interest of trying to make this relatively clear,

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you did two pages of diagrams

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on the right side diagram, this drawing is about wall demolition, just walls.

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So the right side diagram is our calculating of existing wall surfaces

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and whatever all the various numbers are, they have heights, they have angles, variations,

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the overall wall area comes out to 1847.2 square feet.

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So that's the walls that exist.

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The diagram on the left, we've included dotted lines

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to represent the existing wall areas that we're going to remove.

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So on that diagram, the dotted lines that are sort of creating a U

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You've got to shed dormer on the second floor, the dotted line kind of down by the Benson area is just the gable wall area there.

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And the dotted lines in the back are taking down some of that mishmash of stuff that was done sort of along the way.

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Excuse me, is your calculation to keep referring to the wall?

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You did the roof as well.

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That's how the next step comes in that sense.

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It just seemed to try to simplify it over and explain it as clearly as I can,

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for something that is kind of complicated.

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Yeah, I understand using.

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And it's complicated because all of those different iterations,

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it's not like a simple, let's just chalk these walls off.

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the R application for 124AB, it was much easier that way, it's like both take it off.

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Here it didn't work that way.

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So the diagram on the left again, the dotted lines are representing what we're removing,

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which is a total of 409.9, which is 410 square feet of wall space.

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If

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we go to the next drawing, we'll come back to this one in a minute, but this

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is representing the same idea but in reference to the root.

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So, the drawing on the right once again is what exists. You see that funky gable that turns with that steep angle tip.

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you see the bump out to the front, you see the shed roof heading to the back and the other

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roofs that are down below the sort of the confidate of a roof life.

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And the diagram on the left is hatched with the areas of roof that we want to remove.

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Carolyn, can you just explain to me because I am always curious when something is chopped

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in the middle, what is holding up the part that stays? I mean, I can understand you

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removing on that upper left, all the way to the edge. How do you stop in the

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middle and leave a small sanction that will not be removed? That seems so okay.

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I was just asking you, if you can just describe it, put it in perspective. Yeah. Just

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Just identify, maybe you can go up to the screen there.

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Just identify where that front gable is, so that I work

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on to understand where the top of that front root,

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that I root, that has the steep pitch

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that you were referring to.

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This is the, this ridge is a continuous line coming through.

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This is answering your question.

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Yeah, that's fun.

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And then this is the very steep roof to the front.

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This is from here to here is the gable facing

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north which is a different pinch than this and that creates this awkward angle

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that we saw in photographs. But your question is how are we leaving this?

335
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Yeah what holds it up? Well it's it's a little bit of TLC it has to be held

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up temporarily with posts and shoring and then whatever it is that we're going

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to build will happen there and go up and of course that'll be a later application

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But it comes

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down to proximity to property lines, technically, so we don't want to do that.

340
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We want to fight to keep that because if we take it away, we can't hold it back.

341
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Yeah, it's just that I see what you're taking off is beyond the ridge of that small portion at the top. And I just question how that possibly hangs in mid-air. Well, it doesn't. It's going to have some temporary being with posts holding it in place. Yeah.

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Is that a flat portion? No, it has to look.

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So in other words, if the slope is like this and I'm taking it off to here,

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are you continuing the slope again?

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Or are you going up from the slope? I'm not understanding.

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Well, I think, obviously, that's going to be the application form,

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but I think we're going to go up from that slope.

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Okay. But for now, we're going to hold it up

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And then when we get, you know, into development of what we want to do, then it'll get tied

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if tied into the new structure.

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And that slant is lined at the bottom of that line there.

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So you're going to hold up that whole thing that way.

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That

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calculations on this page, the diagram on the right, which represents the existing room,

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is 752.2 square feet,

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once again, that excludes the front porch because you don't include that in your calculations

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and it also excludes the little round lower house.

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Can you just tell me where in the ordinance it says that only habitable space should be included?

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The first time this has ever popped up in the demolition here and that's my big area.

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I mean, I

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think it would be good for us to note that for seeing you demo helps.

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It's the first time I've heard that.

363
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This is a while ago, I would have to run time, but I'm a little bit anxious to see you.

364
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Yeah, I'm just curious.

365
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Yeah, I'd be happy to find it for you.

366
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Okay, you know, I'm going to talk to you at a tech review.

367
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That would be great.

368
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So anyway, the demo diagram on the left, the root that we are proposing to remove is 588.3.

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So when we go back to the previous page,

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you can see that the box, the previous page, the box on the lower left, has the total of the wall areas.

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as the 1847 plus the 1722 so the existing area we're working with is 2599 or 2600 square feet proposed demolition again for the walls is the 409.9 and for the group is the 588.

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Our total is 988.2, which is a bit less than 38.4 percent.

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38.4 percent, yes.

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A demolition of demolition.

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I'm going

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to ask a question.

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I can tell already that our chairperson has a question about the weirdness of the roof,

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but because the way this system is set up, we must do demolition first before we see the application

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Which puts us in a position of saying yes to something and we're not sure what comes next.

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But correct me if I'm wrong in this question to you.

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Typically, once you get demo approval, you don't tear the roof off until you come back with an application that you've gotten approval for.

382
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So if you come with a roof form that doesn't marry politely or historically before we have here, it's not like we're left with an apology.

383
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We just have permission to make this myself, and then you will base your proposed addition on that freedom.

384
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Is that correct? That's correct.

385
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Okay, because it's an odd way that we are forced to do double-separate from the other group.

386
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They are integrated together in the design process.

387
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I want to make sure other members of the screen have, especially you remember here.

388
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I want to make sure she understands, and we're all in the same page, that the process doesn't kind of work hand-to-hand.

389
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I just tear it down and then build it up.

390
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Yeah, and you know, I think you're more realistic.

391
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I was just going to say, you can ask your attorney,

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yes, believe your attorney in the resolution,

393
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we'll say that then the list is approved subject

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to approval of a certificate of appropriateness

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of the modifications that are being proposed.

396
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We have a very large audience that isn't here,

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but they're on the hand right.

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And sometimes we just barrel ahead

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without explaining our thinking.

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So I want to make sure people can follow up.

401
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Thank you for putting it like that.

402
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,460
Yeah, I'm perfectly aware of that.

403
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What I'm not aware of is how you hold up half a roof

404
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and then build the off of it.

405
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And how close are you to the property life?

406
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Certainly, it's included.

407
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Back where we're talking about the right point 7 feet.

408
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Point 7 point 7.

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Zero point 7.

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I mean it's kind of like it's kind of like taking off half a wall and leaving a piece.

411
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It's kind of like, and this is a roof.

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This is a roof that has a slant that here's the ridge and it's cut here and this little

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piece right here is simply hanging on.

414
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It's simply saying this is the roof.

415
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Yeah.

416
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I'm going to put a couple of cans here and here with a beam and I'm going to hold it

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and I'm going to cut the rest of this off and then it's going to go up and I'm going to hold it.

418
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All right until I come back with the next structure.

419
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That's going to, it's also very awkward that that line doesn't go straight.

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That line then jogs off.

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So you're going to hold that little angled piece and build up an angled wall from there.

422
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I'm just kind of having a hard time understanding, well I guess my question would be does that really fall under our curvy or what's that?

423
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It's like the architectural integrity.

424
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Well, we're going to make a determination as to whether we will or we won't improve a demo.

425
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I think we have to understand what part of the process is coming on.

426
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I have a question, Caroline, I'm looking at the drawing on page two, the dog one page,

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I think, on the left hand side.

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Right there, the little shaded area on the upper left corner of that

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property, that illustration on the left, that little angle line,

430
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it might correct that that is an angle line that's following the pitch of the roof.

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So if you build a structure on an angle through, if you get that angle line, because the roof has a pitch.

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So you could be building a structure onto a pitch, almost like a dormer would pop up the roof.

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So that angle line isn't just a cut in the, it's not an angle line, it's following the pitch of the roof.

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because that's a very low-age table to the left. I guess we're just tough to weeks.

435
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I don't quite follow that.

436
00:39:04,810 --> 00:39:09,950
No, but I like the clarification that this one makes sure I understand what you're saying.

437
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This is time with getting approval for that design because I understand that.

438
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And I mean the homeowners don't want to talk about the room for a year without having to have a next design.

439
00:39:23,550 --> 00:39:23,970
I see it sure.

440
00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:27,810
We're all trying to achieve the same thing, but yes, having it connected.

441
00:39:30,510 --> 00:39:37,870
So, and I didn't touch on the site plan, but you can see the survey is here.

442
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We are very close on the north side at the front of the property.

443
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We are one foot from the property line at the rear as we just said at 0.7 feet on the front of the house.

444
00:39:54,690 --> 00:40:05,850
There are 5.4 or 5.5 feet to the bump out that exists and there are about a little over 4 feet, 4.3 feet on the south side.

445
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It is a corner a lot, but Emory is like a dead end and goes into the back of the apartment.

446
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Okay, so that kind of summarizes the

447
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condition of the building.

448
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And our feeling is that we are not demolishing anything that is of such a sort of importance

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that it couldn't be reproduced. There's no original Victorian

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vernacular seaside architecture.

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And

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mostly interested in removing walls to the rear of the house, where it is not original

453
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in the first place. And mostly we want to remove roof of the house, which again we

454
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Jeffrey pulled out the tax records, they were talking about that, and Neptune has the house

455
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dated at 1920 as the year that was built, which perhaps, I mean, you see that it did exist

456
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in some form on the 1905s and more, but perhaps the 1920 date is the approximate time that it

457
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it was elevated and basement put in and that front bump put on.

458
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Sometime between 1905 and 1930, it's went all the way.

459
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So that's...

460
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Did you

461
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want to refer to your picture or not?

462
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I was just curious.

463
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I'm sorry.

464
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I'm dying trans.

465
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So if you can just describe what page 4 is identifying your plan.

466
00:42:24,860 --> 00:42:29,760
So page 4 are elevation drawings of the insisting house.

467
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,520
And again, we are articulating vertical wall surfaces

468
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,480
that are being removed with hatch.

469
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:41,480
And we are articulating roof surfaces

470
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,700
that are supposed to be removed with little dots.

471
00:42:46,660 --> 00:42:51,600
So this upper left drawer is front elevation.

472
00:42:52,340 --> 00:42:54,240
Again, where we set the front gable,

473
00:42:54,240 --> 00:43:04,360
The steep pitch gable is proposed to be demolished, the south side elevation, the walls are

474
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:09,540
staying, there is nothing proposed there for demolition except for the roof.

475
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:22,050
The rear elevation on the upper right, you can see that's where we are removing the walls

476
00:43:22,050 --> 00:43:29,830
or things that were arbitrarily added along the way and the section of the proof, showing

477
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,540
the various points,

478
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:42,810
nor side elevations, which again, photographs, can't see very well.

479
00:43:44,490 --> 00:43:48,550
So, check out how it's shown to be clear about stuff like this, the top, this left side elevation,

480
00:43:48,810 --> 00:43:51,050
but that's actually the elevation from Emory, correct?

481
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:58,410
That's the Emory, so it's really the right side elevation as you've been describing it.

482
00:43:58,410 --> 00:44:01,790
Oh, I've been calling in the South elevation.

483
00:44:02,170 --> 00:44:06,250
I mean, they're too left side to tell me.

484
00:44:07,310 --> 00:44:10,170
I just want to make sure we're looking at the right side.

485
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:11,470
I think the top one's the right side.

486
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:15,770
I've been calling in South because it's facing South.

487
00:44:16,310 --> 00:44:16,410
Yes.

488
00:44:16,830 --> 00:44:18,450
And how's the face east?

489
00:44:19,210 --> 00:44:20,030
How's the front?

490
00:44:20,410 --> 00:44:21,870
Yes, west, west, west.

491
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:23,690
How's the face is west?

492
00:44:25,290 --> 00:44:26,550
Yes, I've had to keep on.

493
00:44:30,290 --> 00:44:38,310
So I just wanted to clear something, when we're dealing with the top one that says left-side elevation, which is looking at it from the F from that way.

494
00:44:39,970 --> 00:44:48,610
You indicated there's no wall coming off. There's actually some wall that you can see there, but that's set back from the face of the wall closest to the right.

495
00:44:48,610 --> 00:44:49,070
Yes.

496
00:44:49,230 --> 00:44:49,470
Yeah.

497
00:44:49,650 --> 00:44:51,430
You should say right.

498
00:44:51,650 --> 00:44:52,130
Okay.

499
00:44:52,410 --> 00:44:52,670
The other side.

500
00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:53,410
Yeah.

501
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:53,750
Wait.

502
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,550
It's right and south.

503
00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:56,830
Yes.

504
00:44:57,530 --> 00:44:57,890
It's right.

505
00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:59,970
It's the yellow.

506
00:45:12,740 --> 00:45:28,620
I just want to be clear that those, those diagonal hatches, those are actually set back from, from, from, from the face. Correct, closes to the street. Yes, they, uh, are signed with the plan drawing here to see that they are set back on the street.

507
00:45:30,810 --> 00:45:34,110
And, and that's the same thing actually. That's the same thing with the, you know, the, the, the, the, the.

508
00:45:34,110 --> 00:45:39,530
north's left side elevation. You're not most of that wall staying. It's those

509
00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:44,650
in-set dormers that are being removed as far as wall space goes.

510
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:45,010
Yes.

511
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,840
So why don't we run into the findings of that?

512
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,260
A is the classification of the

513
00:46:20,260 --> 00:46:22,800
structure. What is your opinion as to the classification?

514
00:46:25,610 --> 00:46:26,090
It's

515
00:46:33,450 --> 00:46:37,910
a key structure but I think it has been modified so much that I don't know the

516
00:46:42,610 --> 00:46:43,050
way to

517
00:46:45,050 --> 00:46:45,570
I

518
00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:53,030
think you've been interpreted, you've been submit on whatever you believe.

519
00:46:53,290 --> 00:46:58,930
I think you've strongly suggested, excuse me, that the original structure that we see

520
00:46:58,930 --> 00:47:01,730
on the sandwork map, the early sandwork map, isn't there in the long term.

521
00:47:02,010 --> 00:47:02,110
Yeah.

522
00:47:02,350 --> 00:47:06,550
And that whatever was left over has been pretty substantially modified.

523
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:07,110
Yeah.

524
00:47:07,290 --> 00:47:13,610
It's very hard to determine perhaps what is, and guessing at what it was, is speculation

525
00:47:13,610 --> 00:47:14,430
at this point.

526
00:47:14,430 --> 00:47:21,810
question I guess that you've already answered is do you find any relevant valuable architectural

527
00:47:21,810 --> 00:47:29,710
elements that should or deserve to be preserved? I don't. I don't. I think that's enough

528
00:47:29,710 --> 00:47:39,270
for now. I would say it's another or a supporting structure. I mean it's trying to support.

529
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:49,510
We hope that it's going to support better with renovations, but I think other, other, other.

530
00:47:49,710 --> 00:47:50,050
Wait a minute.

531
00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:52,530
No, we cannot justify it as another.

532
00:47:52,910 --> 00:47:54,630
So that's where a little difficult here.

533
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:56,990
Because if we're another, we don't have to come together.

534
00:47:56,990 --> 00:47:58,050
Yeah, you have to be.

535
00:47:58,370 --> 00:47:59,790
So we're proud of you.

536
00:47:59,890 --> 00:48:01,250
We want to make sure we're...

537
00:48:01,790 --> 00:48:08,670
We have made those determinations of what is born on date is in order to classify it

538
00:48:09,170 --> 00:48:12,530
supporting or other or contributing. Now, we've presented

539
00:48:12,530 --> 00:48:16,430
stand-over maps at the beginning and you showed what felt as a similar

540
00:48:17,490 --> 00:48:20,670
footprint yet. So, I think that's really what we need to go by.

541
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:23,970
So, you cannot classify as other. We can float

542
00:48:23,970 --> 00:48:26,870
and talk about two things. We were talking about what

543
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:30,350
style it was, and we were supposed to, like, period it.

544
00:48:30,570 --> 00:48:33,150
Exactly. It's a style. There are some three styles of them.

545
00:48:33,450 --> 00:48:36,550
Right. No, no, but there is also, it's very hard to classify this

546
00:48:36,550 --> 00:48:43,190
as a queen, and I don't know what it is, but it's not a viable style, which is, I think,

547
00:48:43,330 --> 00:48:44,370
what Caroline said.

548
00:48:44,830 --> 00:48:44,970
Right.

549
00:48:45,110 --> 00:48:46,830
We're confusing that.

550
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:47,830
Oh, period.

551
00:48:48,350 --> 00:48:48,470
I know.

552
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:49,650
And it's some-

553
00:48:49,650 --> 00:48:49,830
Yeah.

554
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:51,670
Was there a nice, just leave it go?

555
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:53,750
And she took the coin and he had to turn it.

556
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:54,050
Right.

557
00:48:54,810 --> 00:48:55,590
I do not-

558
00:48:55,590 --> 00:48:56,030
I don't know.

559
00:48:56,370 --> 00:48:56,530
Right.

560
00:48:56,730 --> 00:48:59,270
I don't want to put you in a box to call something to me.

561
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:59,410
Yeah.

562
00:48:59,870 --> 00:49:04,790
But I don't want us to confuse the period with the style of the house, but right now it's very

563
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:10,630
that comes from what style it is or what it was, correct. There's not enough evidence left

564
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:14,590
to really say, oh, here's a clean-and, brow ball or something.

565
00:49:14,850 --> 00:49:16,290
Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.

566
00:49:16,290 --> 00:49:20,130
Sorry, I hope I didn't confuse things more, but I want to make sure we're not talking about

567
00:49:20,750 --> 00:49:23,670
two things at the same time. Correct.

568
00:49:24,270 --> 00:49:29,930
So, the semantics, just to clarify, the semantics on this particular style,

569
00:49:35,050 --> 00:49:42,890
But I think you kind of muddied the waters when you use the word other, yeah, so that would be straight away from that.

570
00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:43,390
I would agree.

571
00:49:44,110 --> 00:49:47,410
Because I think we have to do before this or jurisdiction one.

572
00:49:47,710 --> 00:49:48,130
Yes.

573
00:49:48,490 --> 00:49:48,670
Yeah.

574
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:51,350
The Sanborn maps are straight.

575
00:49:51,790 --> 00:49:51,990
Right.

576
00:49:52,190 --> 00:49:52,650
Exactly.

577
00:49:53,470 --> 00:49:54,550
Building did exist.

578
00:49:54,990 --> 00:49:55,150
Yes.

579
00:49:55,490 --> 00:49:55,710
Yes.

580
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:14,840
You're not aware of there being any state historic indication on this property.

581
00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:23,100
You're not aware of it being owned or having any history of any important individuals owning this property in the past.

582
00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:28,100
And as

583
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:37,110
far as the items, the economical items, I mean, you did indicate there were some

584
00:50:37,110 --> 00:50:38,090
concerns with the steps.

585
00:50:38,250 --> 00:50:42,890
So, are there any concerns with any other parts of the structure standpoint of construction

586
00:50:42,890 --> 00:50:44,030
and availability?

587
00:50:44,830 --> 00:50:52,610
No, I think basic structure, particularly with the renovated porch, is structure on the

588
00:50:52,610 --> 00:50:52,870
sound.

589
00:50:52,870 --> 00:51:02,430
So we are happy to be working on it to prove it, so I think that's fine.

590
00:51:04,350 --> 00:51:13,510
And do you think the style as it sits here today is in keeping with the historic preservation design guidelines?

591
00:51:14,250 --> 00:51:15,890
As it sits today.

592
00:51:15,890 --> 00:51:16,830
No.

593
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:23,750
And what you're proposing to be demolished, any of that within the historic guidelines that you're in?

594
00:51:24,090 --> 00:51:24,290
No.

595
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:25,010
Not at all.

596
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:43,920
Is there any questions that anyone on the board would like clarification on or just basically what tonight is just hearing for demolition?

597
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:52,480
and you'll take vote on it within that then it's 90-60 days for a partial vote.

598
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,600
So it's 60. I think the board should determine whether we have 60 or 90.

599
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,960
Like I would say 64 degrees to 60 days.

600
00:52:01,740 --> 00:52:02,520
That's crazy.

601
00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:04,800
Do you go out and sit at the house?

602
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:06,280
Do you?

603
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,240
Or we have knowledge.

604
00:52:09,060 --> 00:52:10,180
We used to.

605
00:52:10,180 --> 00:52:10,860
Not

606
00:52:16,910 --> 00:52:19,510
lately since COVID, we have not to be honest.

607
00:52:19,650 --> 00:52:25,510
To be honest, the homeowner, or in this case you as their representative, if you feel

608
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:30,830
it's helpful for our understanding, you can request that we come up and as such we are

609
00:52:30,830 --> 00:52:33,830
happy to respond to your request from the homeowner to visit the property.

610
00:52:34,010 --> 00:52:38,790
If you think it will help your case in any way, then the request will come from you to the

611
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:39,290
administrator.

612
00:52:39,570 --> 00:52:39,790
Okay.

613
00:52:40,090 --> 00:52:42,150
And then she will say that it will come off for us to come up with it.

614
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:43,190
That's a great thing to happen.

615
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:44,370
We're happy to do it.

616
00:52:44,510 --> 00:52:44,910
Absolutely.

617
00:52:45,370 --> 00:52:56,130
But it's not required, so I think that's it, I mean, we used to do it in our team, but first day we were behind us.

618
00:52:56,270 --> 00:52:56,370
Yeah,

619
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,560
so seeing that there are none.

620
00:53:02,740 --> 00:53:05,720
We need to pick a fund today, 60 days.

621
00:53:06,060 --> 00:53:09,780
So that would be, that would be, let's see that.

622
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:21,620
So I'm looking at the calendar and how I have to do my notices, I'm not going to be able to get it in time for the November meeting.

623
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,180
All right, so we have to see to December.

624
00:53:24,700 --> 00:53:29,920
All right, so we'll be on the December meeting that will vote on this particular demo application.

625
00:53:30,380 --> 00:53:32,780
Is that still December 8th?

626
00:53:37,890 --> 00:53:38,890
Second Tuesday.

627
00:53:39,250 --> 00:53:39,730
It

628
00:53:44,460 --> 00:53:46,400
would be 8 and it would be 8 and it would be 7.

629
00:53:47,020 --> 00:53:48,240
It would be 8 and it would be 8 and it would be 7.

630
00:53:57,300 --> 00:54:01,980
You will do the publications, you will do the property notice.

631
00:54:03,060 --> 00:54:03,900
Signs on the property.

632
00:54:04,980 --> 00:54:10,380
You will submit all of them to the other events of the next meeting of the separate.

633
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,000
That's still 7 o'clock, right?

634
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:12,980
Yes.

635
00:54:15,460 --> 00:54:15,960
Thank you.

636
00:54:16,660 --> 00:54:17,440
Thank you.

637
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:27,060
I don't have the orders with me, but could it be a 907 that is even a partial demo of

638
00:54:27,060 --> 00:54:28,320
his at least 90 days?

639
00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:29,800
No.

640
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:30,560
Okay.

641
00:54:30,740 --> 00:54:31,560
Maybe it could be so.

642
00:54:31,940 --> 00:54:32,800
It's 808.

643
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:33,980
I think we're very wrong.

644
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:34,380
Yeah.

645
00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:35,500
We always look.

646
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,000
So it's 60, up to one point.

647
00:54:38,140 --> 00:54:44,600
You basically said this in a case of a partial demolition of any structure located within

648
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,440
In the district, a minimum of 60 days to a maximum of 120,

649
00:54:48,780 --> 00:54:53,620
it just stands in case of a key structure,

650
00:54:54,460 --> 00:54:56,380
the commission may extend the waiting period,

651
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:58,860
an additional 120 days.

652
00:54:59,740 --> 00:55:00,860
So it's 60 to 90.

653
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:01,840
So it's 60 to 90.

654
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,420
And in case of a key structure.

655
00:55:03,420 --> 00:55:05,520
In case of a key, the commission can extend

656
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:06,720
an additional 100.

657
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:08,400
One, an additional 100.

658
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,000
You're going to have additional work.

659
00:55:10,340 --> 00:55:12,280
But we're not doing, but this is how to keep it.

660
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,980
I extend the waiting period and additional 120 days.

661
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:17,060
That was written.

662
00:55:17,860 --> 00:55:18,400
Okay, yeah.

663
00:55:18,540 --> 00:55:20,680
So we're 60 to 90, because the answer, right?

664
00:55:21,020 --> 00:55:21,100
Right.

665
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:29,320
So the determination here was 60, which, just because of my notices,

666
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,760
unfortunately, I have to wait until the answer, right?

667
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:32,300
Yeah.

668
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,580
We want to say 60 below parts of that.

669
00:55:38,060 --> 00:55:40,740
Yeah, I don't know that we've had a partial number way.

670
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,320
All right.

671
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,180
Thank you. Thank you. All

672
00:55:56,350 --> 00:55:56,790
right.

673
00:55:57,450 --> 00:55:58,710
Looks like you're up.

674
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:01,860
Thank you.

675
00:56:01,860 --> 00:56:03,140
Thank you very much. Thank you.

676
00:56:03,220 --> 00:56:03,540
Thank you.

677
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:08,220
Thank you.

678
00:56:08,220 --> 00:56:09,740
We are hearing point over work, Clark.

679
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:10,500
The

680
00:57:36,620 --> 00:57:38,720
elder can't officially be here tonight.

681
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:40,420
She's doing some health issues.

682
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,540
She's very well aware of the topic.

683
00:57:51,100 --> 00:57:53,120
The property is located at 104.

684
00:57:55,700 --> 00:57:58,380
I know the homeowners are here for

685
00:58:10,380 --> 00:58:19,100
I mean he's doing it for both. He's the speaker for both. So, I just feel way of making him sit here through something that they always do.

686
00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:33,140
This is a very considerate thing to do I think if John wants to present the other case now

687
00:58:33,140 --> 00:58:33,860
We'll be fine

688
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,440
Shipping here again

689
00:58:42,140 --> 00:58:43,180
Okay so

690
00:58:43,180 --> 00:58:44,340
It's written in

691
00:58:49,340 --> 00:58:51,480
touch with the state and the COA application.

692
00:58:51,740 --> 00:58:52,860
The date is 728.

693
00:58:55,580 --> 00:58:56,500
I know that's one of four of our.

694
00:58:56,820 --> 00:58:58,320
Sorry, we're only 724.

695
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,480
Before that must have been.

696
00:59:23,050 --> 00:59:23,910
Ability that helps.

697
01:03:47,140 --> 01:03:47,580
A

698
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:57,420
vote went out to the members. Right, I have a hard copy of my crew, which is

699
01:04:05,260 --> 01:04:13,940
much of a change from the update or. I mean the update was just a response to the. Responsed to the colored top, but the. Correct,

700
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:21,900
but the original. I'm looking for the original application. I don't see it. I didn't get it.

701
01:04:24,010 --> 01:04:28,530
Jeff, you received it. I did not. And Linda, you.

702
01:04:28,530 --> 01:04:29,310
It's not relevant.

703
01:04:30,010 --> 01:04:30,890
Do you want to see what they'll are doing?

704
01:04:30,890 --> 01:04:32,670
All you get is find what they'll get?

705
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:34,750
I'm just wondering.

706
01:04:34,750 --> 01:04:36,330
For some reason I promised.

707
01:04:36,590 --> 01:04:36,610
For some reason I promised not.

708
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:45,500
For this guy that just wants to report

709
01:05:43,390 --> 01:05:46,850
tonight and explained the board has the information

710
01:05:46,850 --> 01:05:48,330
they need to make a decision.

711
01:05:49,470 --> 01:05:55,490
And all I asked our Attorney was are we putting ourselves in a precarious position to members

712
01:05:55,490 --> 01:06:00,970
of this board have not been able to review this application fully before tonight's meeting?

713
01:06:01,250 --> 01:06:02,710
I'm just about to pay for them.

714
01:06:02,950 --> 01:06:03,390
I'd like to.

715
01:06:03,390 --> 01:06:06,970
I'm just saying, and my answer is, I think that'd be the best thing I've ever been.

716
01:06:07,010 --> 01:06:13,350
I mean, I've got to kick back from, you know, obviously the cost of millions of dollars.

717
01:06:13,530 --> 01:06:14,830
But I'll play that violin.

718
01:06:15,650 --> 01:06:19,250
Wait, can you just have them at your office so we can pick them up?

719
01:06:20,250 --> 01:06:23,230
Oh, that's not for tonight's final.

720
01:06:23,830 --> 01:06:28,470
But my feeling is that as long as all the relevant information is presented to the board,

721
01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:33,490
and the board members are comfortable that they understand the application and feel comfortable

722
01:06:33,490 --> 01:06:38,990
and knowledgeable enough to vote on it. I think we're fine to hear it tonight. That's all I was

723
01:06:38,990 --> 01:06:45,350
concerned about. That sounds good to me. And if anybody is a counsel, I think that's fine. Thank you.

724
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:49,210
John's going to present all the information we want. He's here to answer questions. Right.

725
01:06:49,210 --> 01:06:50,750
I hope it's going to be a professional soon.

726
01:06:50,970 --> 01:06:51,370
Okay, good.

727
01:07:01,540 --> 01:07:02,820
It's time to keep it exciting.

728
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:04,140
I think it's exciting.

729
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:06,220
Oh, thanks a lot.

730
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:07,440
And you're fine.

731
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:08,880
Thanks.

732
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:59,000
There's people that I know who are there for that.

733
01:07:59,360 --> 01:07:59,460
Great.

734
01:07:59,980 --> 01:08:03,540
So as long as Sarah and I just find my hot ones,

735
01:08:03,660 --> 01:08:04,820
we're exactly fine.

736
01:08:05,740 --> 01:08:07,800
I just don't want to put this in the pool.

737
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:47,390
Let's do it.

738
01:09:47,670 --> 01:09:48,290
I love it.

739
01:09:48,290 --> 01:09:54,490
All right, the property is located at Seminoleun Street in Ocean Grove with an HD OZO

740
01:09:54,490 --> 01:09:54,890
district.

741
01:09:55,290 --> 01:10:00,570
Existing dwelling is an example of the Swiss Shalent or Swiss Gothic Shalent style, Chelle

742
01:10:00,570 --> 01:10:01,150
Sainte.

743
01:10:01,830 --> 01:10:05,450
The owner is seeking a stripper of appropriateness for proposed addition and rehabilitation

744
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:06,730
existing dwelling.

745
01:10:07,390 --> 01:10:11,510
The owner has received the approval for demolition of the existing cottage structure.

746
01:10:12,350 --> 01:10:17,010
The proposed product consists of the restoration rehabilitation and sensitive expansion of existing

747
01:10:17,010 --> 01:10:18,690
This thing's to a shallary style residence.

748
01:10:19,090 --> 01:10:21,170
The primary objective of the project is to preserve

749
01:10:21,170 --> 01:10:23,030
and enhance the architectural integrity

750
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:25,850
of the original historic dwelling-water-facing

751
01:10:25,850 --> 01:10:27,370
and interior of college education.

752
01:10:27,930 --> 01:10:29,610
With a new top-led history structure,

753
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:32,170
that better supports the long-term preservation content

754
01:10:32,170 --> 01:10:34,150
and continue residential use of the problem.

755
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,200
We can go to the center.

756
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,240
We've already had the approved demolition,

757
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,860
but just to kind of show you just an impact that is on.

758
01:10:54,860 --> 01:11:04,720
The deteriorator starts over demolishing and replacing an addition of the 1939-1930 sand

759
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:05,200
work map.

760
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,040
It's set back from the brought from the main house.

761
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:17,120
So the proposed addition is kind of trying to reflect that and keep that character close

762
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:18,560
if you are initially there.

763
01:11:26,220 --> 01:11:26,740
Page 7.

764
01:11:26,740 --> 01:11:27,440
So this

765
01:11:34,610 --> 01:11:38,170
should be original, this is the existing home.

766
01:11:39,570 --> 01:11:41,870
The proposal that includes basically includes, you know,

767
01:11:42,010 --> 01:11:44,050
trying to maintain as much as possible or belong

768
01:11:44,050 --> 01:11:46,390
in front of the side with the exception

769
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:48,730
of the second floor railing.

770
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:53,290
We're proposing to put a code to apply a railing in its place

771
01:11:53,290 --> 01:11:56,790
and doing so and replacing the four posts

772
01:11:56,790 --> 01:11:58,730
that are holding up any of this structure.

773
01:12:00,970 --> 01:12:04,830
The railing has a, what we'll get into is I'm just to give you guys an idea.

774
01:12:11,020 --> 01:12:15,020
So all the details would be refurbished, you know, sand is refainted.

775
01:12:15,380 --> 01:12:16,500
That would be perfect.

776
01:12:18,980 --> 01:12:20,100
Page 9, another item.

777
01:12:23,290 --> 01:12:28,430
Another item that we're proposing is the siding.

778
01:12:28,810 --> 01:12:31,910
Siding is like extremely deteriorated.

779
01:12:32,290 --> 01:12:35,370
Throughout the surround, like as you walk around the house,

780
01:12:35,490 --> 01:12:36,910
there's areas where it's popped up.

781
01:12:38,110 --> 01:12:45,790
water has infiltrated. The owners also had squirrels and other rodents infiltrate the house.

782
01:12:46,970 --> 01:12:51,610
It's my opinion that the site needs to come down. Cheating needs to replace work damage

783
01:12:51,610 --> 01:12:57,170
and a labor barrier put up at this time. So these are just photographs.

784
01:12:58,030 --> 01:12:58,330
Just

785
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:13,680
the existing survey and now before the next page school.

786
01:13:16,300 --> 01:13:17,840
And you still have that full room?

787
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:21,200
That's the drawing for this.

788
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:23,240
The end room?

789
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,040
Yeah, the actual is only the

790
01:13:36,440 --> 01:13:37,000
approved set.

791
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:38,380
There was a drawing that wasn't placed.

792
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:39,340
There's only the clear room.

793
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:46,560
So basically, what we're proposing is a 2.35

794
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,140
being in addition off the rear.

795
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,980
And then this addition on the, you sign in the house,

796
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:55,120
the secondary porch to kind of reflect the initial

797
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:03,460
But the home would be set back, and then on this side for this group was removed.

798
01:14:03,660 --> 01:14:08,620
There'd be a new group that is able to see that on the elevations.

799
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,740
So, and then just go back to the initial package.

800
01:14:16,740 --> 01:14:18,000
I'm going to page 15.

801
01:14:18,440 --> 01:14:19,320
Just look around right here.

802
01:14:28,130 --> 01:14:28,570
15.

803
01:14:28,570 --> 01:14:29,990
So, this is 13.

804
01:14:30,750 --> 01:14:33,530
These are just some conceptual renderings of the project.

805
01:14:33,890 --> 01:14:36,850
So, the big thing that's changing is basically this rally here.

806
01:14:37,250 --> 01:14:39,530
Everything else we're proposing to keep the same.

807
01:14:40,210 --> 01:14:44,090
These posts are raising up to every scene of 36 of Chinatown.

808
01:14:44,590 --> 01:14:49,350
What we've done here is basically have a more solid piece of the base

809
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:54,790
between the rallies, like they really consist of that with the smaller rally.

810
01:14:54,790 --> 01:14:59,810
And then on the addition, we're proposing a different material.

811
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,000
I'd like to kind of break it into the main house of Port and Baden.

812
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:08,740
You know, the next page are

813
01:15:14,850 --> 01:15:18,210
going to be preserved, but we're going to get all the dates from certain next page.

814
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,720
This would

815
01:15:34,030 --> 01:15:49,710
be obviously the addition, new window, a few doors, all of these were painted, basically, reconstitute preserved as much as possible. The rear facade, this is an existing window. This would be, we had talked about this a little bit, but they're not, we could include their knob.

816
01:15:49,710 --> 01:15:52,630
but I have included it and the investment was, you know,

817
01:15:52,970 --> 01:15:55,390
you felt it was necessary for the project.

818
01:15:56,530 --> 01:15:59,930
And these are just two smaller windows in each bathroom

819
01:15:59,930 --> 01:16:00,930
that's in the new addition.

820
01:16:06,620 --> 01:16:08,600
So this is how the base of this is the new addition.

821
01:16:08,820 --> 01:16:12,040
This is the lower roof intersecting with the main house.

822
01:16:12,340 --> 01:16:17,380
And then this is a completely new roof to receive that back table.

823
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,600
Next week, you don't want the next elevation.

824
01:16:23,900 --> 01:16:30,920
So if these windows are all existing, this window is existing up to here when we're posing to make these windows bigger.

825
01:16:35,070 --> 01:16:41,470
And that reflects just that's where the kitchen would be, and we just thought it would be a really nice base to enter to bring light into the house.

826
01:16:42,170 --> 01:16:47,350
And also keep kind of the same precise and proportion of the adjacent windows next to it.

827
01:16:47,350 --> 01:16:52,340
Could we go back to see the addition side again in the case of the site?

828
01:16:52,820 --> 01:16:53,540
Sure, very.

829
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:05,720
So the west side has, one looks like two windows at the top, two windows at the bottom, the main body of the house.

830
01:17:06,180 --> 01:17:10,860
And here you move to three windows, not the bottom, if you explain to thinking there.

831
01:17:13,700 --> 01:17:21,560
I mean, I think we were trying to introduce, you know, enough ways into the new addition.

832
01:17:22,180 --> 01:17:26,920
And, I mean, we just kind of set it up that it would be, you know, relatively, you know,

833
01:17:27,100 --> 01:17:29,860
creating a rhythm on the side of the house that's so visible from the street.

834
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:35,020
Are you guys want to, like, the other side has two and two, those, yeah.

835
01:17:37,970 --> 01:17:41,830
Yeah, I mean, they kind of tried to, they kind of had three windows on the, on its face before

836
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:42,630
it was demolished

837
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:47,320
on the east side, yeah.

838
01:17:49,740 --> 01:17:55,220
But I think, I think less than this would kind of, you know, create, you know, too much solid

839
01:17:55,220 --> 01:17:58,100
surface as a, you know, from a dying person. Okay,

840
01:18:02,350 --> 01:18:04,070
done. Can you go back to the other

841
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:09,930
elevation? Show side elevation that you showed before. Yes, west. Yes, west. I'm sorry,

842
01:18:10,170 --> 01:18:19,150
I should have been clear. Now that addition is where the roof drops down. That was a

843
01:18:19,150 --> 01:18:24,930
previous addition. That's not this, this is all existing now up to about here.

844
01:18:27,710 --> 01:18:28,190
This

845
01:18:28,190 --> 01:18:30,530
This is all because this window is actually existing.

846
01:18:31,610 --> 01:18:35,130
We're re-facing the roof to bring it up to receive the other table.

847
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:39,010
We're trying to be kept that bridge lower than the main house.

848
01:18:47,330 --> 01:18:49,210
Looking at the rear elevation,

849
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:54,310
is that a faux window on the first floor?

850
01:18:54,990 --> 01:18:55,710
Yes, I mean.

851
01:18:56,090 --> 01:18:59,090
And the reason for that is it's supposed to be a robbery line?

852
01:19:00,510 --> 01:19:03,710
No, the reason for that is just the program on the first floor.

853
01:19:04,350 --> 01:19:07,370
It's a kitchen, there's an oven there, so you can't even have it.

854
01:19:07,370 --> 01:19:11,070
know, so you're designing the outside of the house based on what the kitchen is laid

855
01:19:11,070 --> 01:19:11,510
out of.

856
01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:16,630
In this gear condition, yeah, I mean, it's one foot, it's two feet away from the property

857
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:17,010
line.

858
01:19:17,310 --> 01:19:22,110
And, you know, the house isn't massive, I mean, there's not many places to put to put the

859
01:19:22,110 --> 01:19:22,430
kitchen.

860
01:19:22,830 --> 01:19:26,670
In my opinion, like putting it anywhere else, we consider reconfigurations, it would affect

861
01:19:26,670 --> 01:19:29,310
other windows in the house, like I thought, to carry it.

862
01:19:30,250 --> 01:19:34,770
To me, this was a good place to kind of, you know, whether that needs to be a floater or

863
01:19:34,770 --> 01:19:37,830
just a wall like the adjacent properties next to it.

864
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:41,610
You know, the owners would be open to that as well.

865
01:19:41,810 --> 01:19:43,410
I just thought, you know, from a rear perspective,

866
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:45,650
this kind of gives that rhythm of the portion.

867
01:19:45,950 --> 01:19:48,550
I think it's only how far away from the property line.

868
01:19:49,150 --> 01:19:50,110
This will be-

869
01:19:50,110 --> 01:19:51,470
Put a window in there if you could.

870
01:19:53,670 --> 01:19:54,270
I believe it.

871
01:19:54,650 --> 01:19:55,530
As long as it's so far.

872
01:19:56,210 --> 01:19:57,290
I believe it.

873
01:19:58,130 --> 01:19:59,190
You just said two feet.

874
01:20:00,610 --> 01:20:01,230
I'm sorry.

875
01:20:01,470 --> 01:20:03,110
I guess it looks very good.

876
01:20:05,830 --> 01:20:07,810
I believe it's three feet.

877
01:20:08,370 --> 01:20:10,530
So you could have a real window there.

878
01:20:10,750 --> 01:20:13,650
I think technically, from a code we're trying to be good, yes.

879
01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:14,670
Excuse me.

880
01:20:15,230 --> 01:20:16,330
I'd like to ask you a question.

881
01:20:17,050 --> 01:20:20,490
Could you clarify the difference between a low window

882
01:20:20,490 --> 01:20:24,030
and an actual window that she brought down in this slide?

883
01:20:25,290 --> 01:20:25,810
Yeah.

884
01:20:26,110 --> 01:20:29,550
If it's a real window that's been she brought in,

885
01:20:29,650 --> 01:20:32,030
and John, you can chime in on the second slide.

886
01:20:32,350 --> 01:20:34,990
The low window means that there's a solid wall

887
01:20:34,990 --> 01:20:44,070
and you simply frame out what would look like a widow with shoulders, but there is no opening, there is no

888
01:20:44,070 --> 01:20:48,670
fenestration. What you're referring to is something that is a real

889
01:20:48,670 --> 01:20:54,930
fenestration and an opening that the owners decided to simply she brought the inside and put

890
01:20:54,930 --> 01:20:59,650
shoulders on the outside. But if someone came along and said, I want that window

891
01:20:59,650 --> 01:21:29,410
open. It is framed out and it is true for administration. Is that true? I mean, that would explain what we're doing here. This would not be open. This is just a detail to find. It is just a faux window. Yes. Like a stage set. Like a... I'm just clarifying. It's outside our purview but John might know as an architect. I know that

892
01:21:29,410 --> 01:21:37,290
The fire department requires fake windows or windows that are closed off on the inside to be on record somewhere so that when they're trying to

893
01:21:37,290 --> 01:21:44,590
I mean in that case they're like is this work if you work yeah the window is still need to be accessible right so I mean in this case

894
01:21:44,590 --> 01:21:50,310
There's a there's a range and a hood and that's exactly we want to be able to move. We're just trying to answer the chance question

895
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:58,130
What is your friend says? My question is that in this particular one this is in the rear of the house where it's not visible from the street we just let this happen

896
01:21:59,410 --> 01:22:01,030
in much more visible locations.

897
01:22:01,870 --> 01:22:04,630
Corner of Mount Carmel, New York, right in front of the house.

898
01:22:04,970 --> 01:22:05,250
The hotel?

899
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:06,610
Yes, the hotel.

900
01:22:07,070 --> 01:22:07,330
Great.

901
01:22:07,790 --> 01:22:08,230
The hotel.

902
01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:09,670
With the auditorium?

903
01:22:09,730 --> 01:22:10,610
Yes, yes.

904
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:13,690
As full windows on the side.

905
01:22:14,030 --> 01:22:15,010
I don't know if you can see it from the street.

906
01:22:15,130 --> 01:22:17,290
You can see it from the street is when you can't see it from the street.

907
01:22:19,230 --> 01:22:22,690
Well, I don't know that it's still pretty slow, but I think we're going down.

908
01:22:22,770 --> 01:22:27,910
I think the question is, would the commission be more open to a blank wall?

909
01:22:27,910 --> 01:22:33,810
We've been very out of this when we didn't walk blank walls, but in this case is a blank wall better than a fake window.

910
01:22:34,030 --> 01:22:36,750
Yes. Okay, so that's just my thing.

911
01:22:36,830 --> 01:22:40,910
Okay, so that's where I was asking, if members think a blank wall is...

912
01:22:41,570 --> 01:22:46,550
Because it's at the rear and close enough to the property line.

913
01:22:46,710 --> 01:22:51,930
My understanding is the homeowner has opted to do this to satisfy us,

914
01:22:51,930 --> 01:22:57,070
but would prefer a blank wall or would argue with it that's the consideration of the commission.

915
01:22:57,070 --> 01:23:01,110
I just want to make sure that we're not fighting over something that nobody's putting

916
01:23:01,110 --> 01:23:01,750
a fight about.

917
01:23:01,970 --> 01:23:02,070
Great.

918
01:23:02,690 --> 01:23:06,290
So if the tape windows are issue, you can be re-loved.

919
01:23:06,990 --> 01:23:07,370
Yeah.

920
01:23:07,510 --> 01:23:09,230
Like with a pen, but there's not a problem either.

921
01:23:09,310 --> 01:23:09,410
Right?

922
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:10,630
Because they're not losing anything.

923
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:11,030
Sorry.

924
01:23:11,290 --> 01:23:11,390
Yeah.

925
01:23:11,490 --> 01:23:11,650
Right.

926
01:23:11,870 --> 01:23:13,310
So it would simply be cited.

927
01:23:13,570 --> 01:23:13,810
Okay.

928
01:23:14,270 --> 01:23:14,430
Good.

929
01:23:15,690 --> 01:23:21,710
So I guess my question is when you vote, are you both going through whether you're voting on a

930
01:23:21,710 --> 01:23:23,010
blank wall or yes?

931
01:23:23,330 --> 01:23:23,590
A big one.

932
01:23:23,810 --> 01:23:23,950
Yes.

933
01:23:24,670 --> 01:23:25,510
Thank you very much.

934
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:26,370
I

935
01:23:28,740 --> 01:23:36,600
do know, just to follow up, I do know that the Commission has allowed blank first floor walls in the past out of the rear.

936
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:40,540
So it's not, we're doing something audio quality.

937
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:47,700
But I think the homeowner and the architect have accommodated us trying to give us visual balance.

938
01:23:47,900 --> 01:23:52,360
But what it's creating is an artificiality, which is not a thing.

939
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,800
So that's fine, I'm sure we'll be very good with it.

940
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:56,860
Okay, thanks.

941
01:23:58,780 --> 01:23:59,620
Okay, a lot of fun.

942
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:02,820
Heather, if you don't mind, the $2,900,

943
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:04,780
just go up here soon and close the house.

944
01:24:10,990 --> 01:24:12,710
This is just not towards rallying detail.

945
01:24:14,210 --> 01:24:17,870
Basically, the custom-based, you know, kind of this,

946
01:24:18,090 --> 01:24:21,070
the existing railings first, as far as the owner can know,

947
01:24:21,210 --> 01:24:24,990
when he's at sprays, is that where, you know, very unsafe.

948
01:24:25,810 --> 01:24:31,170
We're just trying to kind of impose that same design aesthetic but like in a co-compliant way.

949
01:24:32,890 --> 01:24:36,110
So, this is kind of what we came up with.

950
01:24:36,150 --> 01:24:39,390
It's an x-raysing that a forward sphere can't fit through.

951
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:43,350
These could be custom-rounded with bell balusters.

952
01:24:43,730 --> 01:24:45,030
That's the profile shown here.

953
01:24:46,890 --> 01:24:48,870
But all the existing tree width could be.

954
01:25:00,570 --> 01:25:01,990
Let's have any other questions or more.

955
01:25:04,230 --> 01:25:10,970
No, I was going to say, John, do you have a profile of what the current column set holds

956
01:25:10,970 --> 01:25:13,090
up that second floor look like?

957
01:25:13,270 --> 01:25:16,370
I mean, I see what you've got as far as your portrayal.

958
01:25:16,590 --> 01:25:19,730
I know what you have to raise and change.

959
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:23,770
I just want to know, what is the profile of the current?

960
01:25:23,770 --> 01:25:28,370
And if you have it, it's in the Zoning documents.

961
01:25:28,670 --> 01:25:29,310
If you

962
01:25:36,130 --> 01:25:37,910
scroll down a second piece, it's

963
01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:42,890
here.

964
01:25:44,750 --> 01:25:50,390
So if you zoom in, I mean, I'm basically trying to replicate the profile exactly, except for this base here.

965
01:26:02,710 --> 01:26:05,070
So it's based on the basic, this detail, that's at the base.

966
01:26:05,290 --> 01:26:06,710
There's another detail on the top here.

967
01:26:07,110 --> 01:26:09,830
So we're basically raising this base up with that detail.

968
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:19,540
It's impossible keeping this little trim down on the nose, you know, or just in the same location to the misty trim.

969
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:21,040
I have a question.

970
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:27,480
Isn't that current post two, doesn't it have an X profile in plan?

971
01:26:27,820 --> 01:26:30,240
Is it flat boards that look like they interested?

972
01:26:30,860 --> 01:26:35,940
The base is square, but as the base goes on the top of the base there's a one by board.

973
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,380
On the corner there's two bone by board.

974
01:26:38,380 --> 01:26:43,840
My question is, is that being replicated or can that be replicated?

975
01:26:44,740 --> 01:26:46,080
It's not being replicated.

976
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,940
So basically, what's happening is, I mean, I'm not proposing it to be replicated.

977
01:26:50,620 --> 01:26:52,200
This is up here, right here.

978
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,420
There's two to buy being.

979
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:58,720
And that two by being is supported by a one by host.

980
01:26:59,700 --> 01:27:03,840
Which I don't think is added, but I know it's not added for any type of structural building position.

981
01:27:04,660 --> 01:27:07,500
So what we're proposing is basically to double up the width of that

982
01:27:07,500 --> 01:27:13,280
to receive where the beam is, you know, in relation to that two-by-b, but keeping

983
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:18,820
you know, the elevation perspective of the details consistent with what's

984
01:27:18,820 --> 01:27:23,220
existing. I know during one of the tech meetings or concept meetings that we

985
01:27:23,220 --> 01:27:31,520
had, we refer to a building, over by the park, Founders Park, where a various

986
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:40,220
similar situation where the corner posts were too very wide, very detailed cut pieces held

987
01:27:40,220 --> 01:27:48,000
up, a very similar roof on and I know that it's new because I remember when we approved.

988
01:27:48,260 --> 01:27:54,920
Is there a reason that you would not have considered replicating what was there when obviously it

989
01:27:54,920 --> 01:28:00,480
had been replicated before and seems to be holding up a very similar structure?

990
01:28:00,480 --> 01:28:04,320
I'm not sure. I'm not exactly sure. I thought I think I thought the one that you

991
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:09,180
presented to you was actually a square. It was replicated with a square, so maybe I'm thinking of a different one.

992
01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:11,220
Since 75 year olds were hurtful.

993
01:28:11,340 --> 01:28:19,040
And so we're on the central and, you can't see it out, this is the CPU or, they asked you to see if you were

994
01:28:29,650 --> 01:28:30,030
What

995
01:28:32,590 --> 01:28:45,330
is the difference here is that it is supporting a 1 by B. Whereas this is a 2 by B, I mean

996
01:28:45,330 --> 01:28:49,690
it is just not the load of that beam is just different than the 1 by 1 is a different

997
01:28:49,690 --> 01:28:50,070
detail.

998
01:28:51,230 --> 01:28:56,550
So in other words, those two, in other words, you could not replicate what you have currently

999
01:28:56,550 --> 01:29:00,070
on this house by picking on those two corn pieces.

1000
01:29:02,620 --> 01:29:03,420
I'm just curious.

1001
01:29:04,100 --> 01:29:06,600
What are you going to do to make the columns thicker?

1002
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:08,040
No, no, no.

1003
01:29:08,480 --> 01:29:11,820
What I'm saying is that this is a key structure.

1004
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:14,260
It has a very unique corner column.

1005
01:29:14,620 --> 01:29:16,540
I'm wondering why it can't be replicated.

1006
01:29:17,440 --> 01:29:24,300
Basically, we're trying, in my opinion, to replicate as best as possible with supporting

1007
01:29:24,300 --> 01:29:25,000
with what's there.

1008
01:29:25,180 --> 01:29:30,380
I understand that it's been supported there, but I have to seal this, it's my professional

1009
01:29:30,380 --> 01:29:32,220
opinion, I don't think that it's same.

1010
01:29:33,020 --> 01:29:37,740
And we're not making it bigger, we're literally taking the same side profile and just making

1011
01:29:37,740 --> 01:29:38,240
it wider.

1012
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:39,880
Okay.

1013
01:29:42,180 --> 01:29:42,820
Thank you.

1014
01:29:49,310 --> 01:29:50,850
other

1015
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:59,500
questions concerning the first floor porch and the underside of

1016
01:30:00,590 --> 01:30:17,290
How you were handling it, because I think basically the, under the porch is simply just a large piece of lattice. It has no, footings, there's no framed lattice. It's just, what are you proposing?

1017
01:30:17,290 --> 01:30:18,990
That was part of the indictment, I said.

1018
01:30:19,610 --> 01:30:20,730
You know what I mean?

1019
01:30:21,570 --> 01:30:22,350
Yeah, right.

1020
01:30:23,730 --> 01:30:26,350
I mean, basically, there's sort of the fears

1021
01:30:26,350 --> 01:30:28,370
that this could end for this house is set back,

1022
01:30:28,530 --> 01:30:31,850
like I think eight or nine inches from the base of the...

1023
01:30:31,850 --> 01:30:33,610
You can go down to the elevation.

1024
01:30:34,810 --> 01:30:37,390
John, do you think that was because the porch was expanded

1025
01:30:37,390 --> 01:30:39,030
at some point in time in the first floor?

1026
01:30:40,290 --> 01:30:44,570
It's kind of unusual for the columns out to sit on pears, isn't it?

1027
01:30:44,570 --> 01:30:49,930
Well, there's peers, there are beings running across in the porch slats or sitting on top.

1028
01:30:50,430 --> 01:30:58,470
I mean, I guess an ocean droid might be a little uncommon, but I mean, traditionally an aid extension over a peer is totally suitable for the church itself.

1029
01:30:59,010 --> 01:31:06,350
So just to clarify what you said, there are supports that are sitting on a peer, but the supports come forward in the peers.

1030
01:31:07,130 --> 01:31:09,790
So from the street, you don't see a peer on the jack.

1031
01:31:17,970 --> 01:31:22,570
So here I mean we're basically proposing to do, you know, an eight inch surfboard with

1032
01:31:22,570 --> 01:31:27,010
these at ground and these at lattice, square lattice.

1033
01:31:37,730 --> 01:31:41,330
There's not a gutter kind of thing, but so basically the thought here was basically we're

1034
01:31:41,330 --> 01:31:48,130
going to place the existing location to be more of a cottage, I think the house itself

1035
01:31:48,130 --> 01:31:53,710
we're not changing any of the downsides and then there's a gutter that runs from here to the

1036
01:31:53,710 --> 01:31:58,050
hollow along the side of the house currently that's no longer needed because of the change in

1037
01:31:58,050 --> 01:32:02,490
the roof condition. So basically there's your gutter here that runs down will be a new gutter by

1038
01:32:02,490 --> 01:32:08,410
this pier, this for this roof and then all the existing other gutters are going to remain or the

1039
01:32:08,410 --> 01:32:14,270
downsides. I mean to not do that would actually affect the grading and the drainage on the side which

1040
01:32:14,270 --> 01:32:21,390
trying to avoid. So the one story moved at the addition door that comes down the

1041
01:32:21,390 --> 01:32:23,510
collar, which turns back to the body of house.

1042
01:32:25,710 --> 01:32:26,810
Directly to the right door.

1043
01:32:30,530 --> 01:32:30,650
We

1044
01:32:30,650 --> 01:32:34,110
either would come down this column later, you were saying to go back to the house

1045
01:32:34,110 --> 01:32:38,750
and we generally asked whenever possible to return to the body of house because

1046
01:32:38,750 --> 01:32:42,690
that's what we typically see historically. In this case, I don't think that would be an

1047
01:32:42,690 --> 01:32:46,790
issue. I mean, it's only like a three foot six. So the pitch would be

1048
01:32:46,790 --> 01:32:49,070
suitable to be less long. Okay, great.

1049
01:32:58,390 --> 01:33:02,870
No, I don't see anyone either on well, you don't really have much public

1050
01:33:03,870 --> 01:33:08,510
However, I would like to comment just the sake of the meeting. I'll

1051
01:33:08,510 --> 01:33:11,870
open it to the public saying that there is no condo.

1052
01:33:13,850 --> 01:33:14,330
I

1053
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:21,280
think there was an issue as far as the rally to see I said that

1054
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:23,660
that was an amendment to your application to pay

1055
01:33:23,660 --> 01:33:25,740
into talks in the real estate suppose to leave you.

1056
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:27,120
Yes, that's correct.

1057
01:33:27,820 --> 01:33:28,300
Any

1058
01:33:36,430 --> 01:33:37,730
other questions, any comments?

1059
01:33:38,150 --> 01:33:38,830
I think it's beautiful.

1060
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,480
I think it's very sensitive.

1061
01:33:47,100 --> 01:33:53,020
I want to sort of applaud you for listening very carefully

1062
01:33:53,020 --> 01:33:53,860
to feedback.

1063
01:33:55,900 --> 01:33:58,860
Tech, of course, doesn't speak for the entire commission,

1064
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:02,940
but you listen very carefully to what

1065
01:34:02,940 --> 01:34:05,040
That has been said in text, so I appreciate that.

1066
01:34:05,660 --> 01:34:07,260
I would agree with Deb.

1067
01:34:07,420 --> 01:34:09,480
I think that rear window could be illuminated

1068
01:34:10,140 --> 01:34:13,180
and that would scoop the way a little bit for this.

1069
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:14,500
The house is very small.

1070
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:17,040
I don't think you have a big giant wing wall back there.

1071
01:34:17,660 --> 01:34:18,740
Your neighbors have wing walls.

1072
01:34:18,860 --> 01:34:20,420
It's not going to be a lost thing, anything.

1073
01:34:20,900 --> 01:34:24,000
And I think it will be more fitting

1074
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,280
with this particular key structure, if it's real.

1075
01:34:32,110 --> 01:34:33,010
Any other thoughts?

1076
01:34:34,530 --> 01:34:35,430
Not really.

1077
01:34:37,170 --> 01:34:44,450
So can I just clarify that most of you will be to approve with two conditions, one to remove the rear,

1078
01:34:45,730 --> 01:34:54,470
fake with the bow and the first floor, and two round the downspap on the gutter on the

1079
01:34:54,470 --> 01:34:57,870
addition to the body of the house.

1080
01:35:20,770 --> 01:35:28,070
I'm going to reluctantly say yes, I really feel that this is a preservation ward and

1081
01:35:28,070 --> 01:35:34,230
I think it's very important to try to replicate something especially that's on a key

1082
01:35:34,230 --> 01:35:39,090
structure. I'm really not happy with the columns on the second floor. I understand what you're saying,

1083
01:35:40,490 --> 01:35:46,070
but I've seen it done on other houses and I don't really quite understand why I can't have it here.

1084
01:35:46,450 --> 01:35:51,330
I think we're losing a very important element, a very important feature of this house.

1085
01:35:52,990 --> 01:35:53,470
I

1086
01:35:56,190 --> 01:35:59,630
know we keep calling it a key structure, but there's really going to be very little left

1087
01:36:03,950 --> 01:36:04,610
in the

1088
01:36:04,610 --> 01:36:05,510
Highland, yes.

1089
01:36:06,590 --> 01:36:07,410
Jeffrey Riddell.

1090
01:36:08,430 --> 01:36:08,990
Yes.

1091
01:36:10,010 --> 01:36:11,930
Can you see it from Babson, Linda Anderson?

1092
01:36:12,390 --> 01:36:12,510
Yes.

1093
01:36:13,570 --> 01:36:14,230
Gangward and Julia.

1094
01:36:14,690 --> 01:36:14,810
Yes.

1095
01:36:15,810 --> 01:36:17,510
We'll be very super rude.

1096
01:36:18,730 --> 01:36:19,010
Okay.

1097
01:36:19,030 --> 01:36:19,530
Congratulations.

1098
01:36:19,630 --> 01:36:20,270
There's the next time.

1099
01:36:20,590 --> 01:36:22,350
I'll get right along.

1100
01:36:22,810 --> 01:36:24,030
Not, not, not.

1101
01:36:24,250 --> 01:36:25,850
I think there's anything other better.

1102
01:36:26,150 --> 01:36:27,850
I know that in the field,

1103
01:36:28,470 --> 01:36:30,210
oftentimes, details can be

1104
01:36:30,870 --> 01:36:42,400
The rescue had created and craftsmen are abounding in this town doing extraordinary work, so I can't wait to see how this turns out.

1105
01:36:42,940 --> 01:36:43,600
I think it looks complex.

1106
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:45,540
Thank you.

1107
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:49,040
You know, because other stuff will take full plants and stuff you wanted to save.

1108
01:36:49,860 --> 01:36:50,220
Thank you.

1109
01:36:50,420 --> 01:36:51,120
The second floor.

1110
01:36:51,340 --> 01:36:52,060
Thank you for your patience.

1111
01:36:52,620 --> 01:36:52,760
All right.

1112
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:53,240
Thank you all very much.

1113
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:53,920
Thank you.

1114
01:36:55,220 --> 01:36:56,040
I'm counting to see you.

1115
01:36:57,820 --> 01:36:59,820
You want to try that again with a little feeling?

1116
01:36:59,820 --> 01:37:02,140
I'm going to miss you guys.

1117
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:03,000
I'm going to miss you guys.

1118
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:03,720
I think you can.

1119
01:37:04,100 --> 01:37:05,160
Please don't call.

1120
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:08,000
Thank you.

1121
01:37:08,100 --> 01:37:08,660
Thank you.

1122
01:37:08,660 --> 01:37:11,400
Thank you.

1123
01:37:20,440 --> 01:37:21,040
You're

1124
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:26,400
just sworn in already.

1125
01:37:27,740 --> 01:37:29,120
We're just using the exhaust.

1126
01:37:29,340 --> 01:37:30,620
We just want to go in.

1127
01:37:30,860 --> 01:37:33,260
I said earlier,

1128
01:38:43,460 --> 01:38:44,520
you're going to hear

1129
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:45,740
some health concerns.

1130
01:38:47,500 --> 01:38:50,460
She has been a cover presenter in the air place.

1131
01:38:51,900 --> 01:38:57,800
So the product that one of the floor clerk has, you know, should grow in the HDR-1 zoning

1132
01:38:57,800 --> 01:38:58,240
district.

1133
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:00,480
A lot is currently being taken.

1134
01:39:01,300 --> 01:39:04,720
The owner is seeking a certificate of appropriate answer to the proposed new construction,

1135
01:39:05,380 --> 01:39:12,360
1,900 feet, except for the single-band tone, the proposed structure is 2.5 storities, a lot

1136
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:15,340
covered for both the 62 percent and 85 million.

1137
01:39:16,140 --> 01:39:23,160
The front-board setback is proposed at 7th, the building setback, in the building height of 29.25

1138
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:24,060
and the initial proposed.

1139
01:39:26,100 --> 01:39:31,080
The residents can see there's an interpretation of the American force vertical drawing from

1140
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:33,720
early 20th century pressure and precedence.

1141
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:39,340
The design of the size of the discipline proportion and balance symmetry traditionally associated

1142
01:39:39,340 --> 01:39:42,620
to force for technology, express through a strong,

1143
01:39:42,780 --> 01:39:44,080
with advanced in composition,

1144
01:39:44,420 --> 01:39:46,580
broad-headed reform, centered around,

1145
01:39:46,980 --> 01:39:48,180
spent together established,

1146
01:39:48,380 --> 01:39:51,140
timeless, recognizable, architectural presence.

1147
01:39:52,660 --> 01:39:54,820
The home's composition is intensely grounded

1148
01:39:54,820 --> 01:39:57,540
in horizontal character of the overhangs,

1149
01:39:58,060 --> 01:40:01,080
articulated e- brackets, and accounted for from the porch,

1150
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:03,820
the reinforcing influence of the classical movement.

1151
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:06,180
The porch served as both an architectural,

1152
01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:08,380
very social, threshold, threshold,

1153
01:40:08,380 --> 01:40:11,700
creating a layer of transition between the public street statement,

1154
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:14,760
private interior of the residence, prominent de-ocean growth

1155
01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:16,860
or architectural impact, it's

1156
01:40:29,540 --> 01:40:30,460
just the existing law.

1157
01:40:31,500 --> 01:40:34,480
This picture I wanted to point out will get into a little bit

1158
01:40:34,480 --> 01:40:37,560
but explain that to you a lot of folks on the matter.

1159
01:40:37,860 --> 01:40:41,820
So the site itself has a unique top topography

1160
01:40:41,820 --> 01:40:46,440
for ocean probe, it runs it out from the top here,

1161
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:48,740
about over here, over 14.

1162
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:54,160
So the challenge basically, you know, setting the house where we could it would be in relation

1163
01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:58,620
to the stairs and fence surrounding topography because of the retaining holes on the root

1164
01:40:58,620 --> 01:40:59,020
wire.

1165
01:41:00,020 --> 01:41:04,880
So basically we try to lower it to match, you know, the existing, there are seven risers

1166
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:07,020
here as you can see in the proposed one by seven.

1167
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:12,820
So we did that by stepping down from the side of the house to the two steps to get to that

1168
01:41:12,820 --> 01:41:15,660
level where you basically be matching what's happening to you.

1169
01:41:15,660 --> 01:41:17,280
on the adjacent property through

1170
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:20,860
the next page, please.

1171
01:41:33,780 --> 01:41:34,720
This page 6, yeah?

1172
01:41:35,180 --> 01:41:36,080
Yeah, that's the facility.

1173
01:41:36,860 --> 01:41:38,240
I want to call it here.

1174
01:41:38,660 --> 01:41:40,880
This is a similar condition for adjacent property.

1175
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:45,120
We went through this, basically, if the wall gets a certain height,

1176
01:41:45,300 --> 01:41:47,320
if the setback further from the point where it's connected,

1177
01:41:47,540 --> 01:41:49,240
so the page

1178
01:41:55,900 --> 01:41:56,780
7 keeps moving.

1179
01:41:59,410 --> 01:42:01,170
So here are just some things to call it.

1180
01:42:02,230 --> 01:42:06,810
We're proposing a 15 foot setback adjacent home

1181
01:42:06,810 --> 01:42:14,810
is about 660.4 feet, and then we're proposing a set, but the board set back to the adjacent

1182
01:42:14,810 --> 01:42:19,710
home is on the 8-point set. So trying to keep it relatively close, I don't think there's

1183
01:42:19,710 --> 01:42:20,930
only either guidelines.

1184
01:42:36,380 --> 01:42:42,060
Basically, the deep front porch, or with the home, we have a little

1185
01:42:42,060 --> 01:42:47,840
bump out here to kind of pick up the east facade, or the east, and get the east facade.

1186
01:43:04,430 --> 01:43:08,930
One of the questions that came up is how we're going to go through a closing e-scene

1187
01:43:08,930 --> 01:43:09,530
is back here.

1188
01:43:09,730 --> 01:43:10,930
I think it's rolling over.

1189
01:43:11,430 --> 01:43:17,830
So the neighbor itself, now, with 48 plants, will be a 48-inch fence here, and

1190
01:43:17,830 --> 01:43:20,510
then home, sort of probably going to be pretty shielded in the back corner.

1191
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:25,120
We're on more defensive, but we're going to go with the thing.

1192
01:43:26,540 --> 01:43:31,260
Here you can see basically when this step is just kind of how we're achieving that minimum

1193
01:43:31,260 --> 01:43:33,880
that minimum access requirement to the home,

1194
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:36,100
I'll try to keep this side of the house,

1195
01:43:36,260 --> 01:43:38,240
not showing too much of an endation.

1196
01:43:38,940 --> 01:43:42,720
That level was basically driven by the code requirement

1197
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:46,000
of new construction for these to six inch exposure

1198
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:48,080
of the foundation before the sign did it.

1199
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:50,480
So that's kind of where we set it up, the minimum,

1200
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:52,760
let me kind of drop down to match the stairs

1201
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,840
and maybe it's a structure to kind of get it to be cohesive

1202
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:59,940
with a similar scale and property structure.

1203
01:43:59,940 --> 01:44:01,060
for example. But

1204
01:44:08,940 --> 01:44:11,080
this page,

1205
01:44:19,350 --> 01:44:23,550
basically, I mean, the owner really wanted kind of a forest

1206
01:44:23,550 --> 01:44:28,310
where ecology and looking around us, you grow, you know, we've got to, and from the

1207
01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:32,730
yards, we're going to be, you know, an appropriate style for the home and property.

1208
01:44:38,140 --> 01:44:42,880
As far as the, we've tried to keep it, you know, the dormant on the top, we replicated it

1209
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:47,360
here to keep it symmetrical from that standpoint.

1210
01:45:00,660 --> 01:45:30,080
And then, so we'll be able to send our dorkers, and then this is great, and the facade, and the side to kind of break up. The facade will still keep a rhythm and form of the windows and this central piece that kind of connected all. And then the back, kind of, instead of elongating the home altogether, we're trying to keep it as a cubic form as possible. So this became a piece that kind of attaches to the initial concept, but sets itself apart.

1211
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:34,040
and kind of in a smaller, less, lesser-productive way

1212
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:35,180
for the property.

1213
01:45:49,100 --> 01:45:49,480
So,

1214
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:02,180
I mean, in any of the construction, I notice you're

1215
01:46:02,180 --> 01:46:06,020
constantly battling with, you know, contemporary lifestyle

1216
01:46:06,020 --> 01:46:09,640
within a sort of, you know, exterior type of aesthetic.

1217
01:46:12,220 --> 01:46:16,320
So really, really, we try to just make sure that there was, you know,

1218
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:19,240
a significant vertical rhythm, you know,

1219
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:24,570
everything kind of kind of consistent, you know, feeling towards this

1220
01:46:24,570 --> 01:46:29,390
craftsmanship style, but adding it, articulating brackets, the two over one

1221
01:46:29,390 --> 01:46:35,170
windows. In this part of the event, here's that door on the left, we changed the

1222
01:46:35,170 --> 01:46:36,650
half glass, and

1223
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:40,720
we'll go to the next page that I think will.

1224
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:51,300
So here, I think

1225
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:56,980
some of the questions were, I think these were the phone windows again. In this

1226
01:46:56,980 --> 01:47:03,020
condition on the rear of the house. This is a closet and it's not very visible from

1227
01:47:03,020 --> 01:47:09,040
the street, it's so close to the neighboring property. Having this condition originally we did

1228
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:15,400
have windows here, but we were trying to add, you know, basically a more composed elevation here

1229
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:21,000
by adding yeast for avatars with the issues, but this is just a very important wall for the

1230
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:31,320
flying. She has a piano and a piece that she like needs to hang there. The way the house is designed,

1231
01:47:32,060 --> 01:47:37,260
we tried different reasons, figurations, and there's a lot of windows already on the façade.

1232
01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:42,420
So, you know, fitting this one piece of furniture and moving in packed other areas of the home

1233
01:47:42,420 --> 01:47:49,020
negatively, and she really wanted to try to just, you know, again, remove the windows her first choice,

1234
01:47:49,020 --> 01:47:53,640
but if not, to put something that articulated at least the

1235
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:57,340
penetration pattern and rhythm of that of this wonderful

1236
01:47:57,340 --> 01:47:57,720
date.

1237
01:48:12,380 --> 01:48:15,760
Basically, it made from, as far as the pores just

1238
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:18,840
nasorypheres, with these kind of craftsmen,

1239
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:22,440
but craftsmen columns, craftsmen style columns.

1240
01:48:22,780 --> 01:48:27,020
And one other thing that was updated from the adenom that we

1241
01:48:27,020 --> 01:48:29,660
have is just the windows were separated about four inches.

1242
01:48:31,060 --> 01:48:31,500
You

1243
01:48:46,250 --> 01:48:48,150
know, at age 21, there's some of the details.

1244
01:48:56,160 --> 01:48:58,760
The design is kind of a, there's a walk around,

1245
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:00,940
I don't know if you drove, it's a craftsman style poem,

1246
01:49:01,380 --> 01:49:05,200
based on the detail for a craftsman style.

1247
01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:07,640
A craftsman or alley never hoping to wrap,

1248
01:49:08,140 --> 01:49:11,100
from each staircase around to the alley,

1249
01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:11,860
and one of these is,

1250
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:16,460
these are the interpretation

1251
01:49:16,460 --> 01:49:18,160
of kind of a craftsman style wrap,

1252
01:49:18,380 --> 01:49:19,380
if that would continue on the

1253
01:49:21,910 --> 01:49:23,210
simple form,

1254
01:49:23,890 --> 01:49:23,890
and

1255
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:29,860
you would have the 22.

1256
01:49:29,860 --> 01:49:31,220
to just

1257
01:49:36,220 --> 01:49:42,640
details for the, I think that one, the questions that he gets at, or the fences

1258
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:46,000
and their location. They're basically from the corners of the house out on the front

1259
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:53,140
yard, there'll be the 30 inch on the left, and then around the back of the house, just

1260
01:49:53,140 --> 01:49:56,780
on that one side, we have 48 inch that means that the neighbor and the property will be

1261
01:49:56,780 --> 01:49:57,020
engaged.

1262
01:49:57,280 --> 01:49:57,360
Of

1263
01:50:08,750 --> 01:50:09,950
course, that's all clear.

1264
01:50:10,110 --> 01:50:15,190
Now, how about we start asking some individual questions before we start getting the

1265
01:50:15,190 --> 01:50:27,440
On your color renderings, it's evident that there is spaces between the double windows

1266
01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:38,260
and yet when I get down into your architectural details, there's no space.

1267
01:50:38,260 --> 01:50:43,060
Yes, I submitted it as they did. I know I read it all the obligations. They're showing that form specific

1268
01:50:45,700 --> 01:50:51,460
So they are individual windows and there is space between them

1269
01:50:51,460 --> 01:50:55,360
Yes, they were always be individual windows

1270
01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:55,760
I just

1271
01:50:56,500 --> 01:51:00,220
Yeah, we just separate them to make sure that we're showing that form separation

1272
01:51:00,220 --> 01:51:02,200
Okay, so there is a form separate

1273
01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:07,020
Yes, typical separation. You'll see on any double condition. There's a whole line of states now

1274
01:51:07,020 --> 01:51:11,280
So then I just should ignore the rest of these details.

1275
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:22,400
The other thing that I'm curious about, I did a little research on fences and how Neptune interprets fence height.

1276
01:51:23,540 --> 01:51:28,040
They measure from grade, not from the height of a retaining wall.

1277
01:51:30,210 --> 01:51:32,150
So all of your fences are too tall.

1278
01:51:34,330 --> 01:51:37,190
Because you measure fence from grade.

1279
01:51:37,190 --> 01:51:41,890
So the retaining wall becomes part of the overall fence height.

1280
01:51:42,390 --> 01:51:42,830
I'm

1281
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:49,940
not sure if that's how I saw it clarified, but in general, we're at this point, we're just saying we're walking.

1282
01:51:50,260 --> 01:51:54,360
I'm not showing a 30-inch fence here. I'm just saying we're proposing it.

1283
01:51:54,760 --> 01:52:05,380
And what I'm saying is that when they measure fence heights they include the wall and the fence as the overall height of the fence.

1284
01:52:05,380 --> 01:52:07,800
I don't need to disagree with you. That's not the case.

1285
01:52:08,140 --> 01:52:12,200
That's what I read. I think that that would be a zoning determination.

1286
01:52:12,500 --> 01:52:15,160
So even if it's okay, it is a zoning determination,

1287
01:52:15,680 --> 01:52:19,100
but I certainly don't want to vote for something that's against the zoning.

1288
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:23,700
No, understandable, but if that's something that we need to bring away,

1289
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:25,040
like I do.

1290
01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:31,320
I looked into it's measured from where this rate exists.

1291
01:52:31,320 --> 01:52:36,340
So, in this case, like, we're leaning all that grade, it's going to sit on top of that grade.

1292
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:38,840
It's going to sit on top of your cane wall, which is where the grade is.

1293
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:41,780
So, you're claiming that that would be grade from where the...

1294
01:52:41,780 --> 01:52:43,880
Yeah, that's going to be where the grade is surfaced.

1295
01:52:44,060 --> 01:52:47,340
So, the idea is that I'm standing and it kind of leaves that way,

1296
01:52:47,420 --> 01:52:51,280
is if you just have a wall with the same grade on both sides of the wall,

1297
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:53,560
then the fence is measured from grade.

1298
01:52:53,900 --> 01:52:54,020
Right.

1299
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:58,200
So, when you're ever retaining wall, this is grade on that wall.

1300
01:52:59,100 --> 01:53:07,000
So that the fence was a mom and it was a question that's the confusion because when the

1301
01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:11,120
grade is the same on both sides of the wall the wall is included and when the wall is

1302
01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:19,890
retaining it's graded to the nearest grade inside that retaining wall is leveled with the

1303
01:53:19,890 --> 01:53:28,470
That's what it seemed to suggest in my research too, but again, it has to be amended and has to go back to the rezoning for a good one anyway.

1304
01:53:29,110 --> 01:53:33,290
Right, but I don't know that the fence was included in the zoning app.

1305
01:53:33,510 --> 01:53:37,050
It was actually one of these things that got kicked out in the clarify.

1306
01:53:37,570 --> 01:53:37,830
Okay.

1307
01:53:38,050 --> 01:53:42,410
All right, so do you have more questions?

1308
01:53:43,710 --> 01:53:46,230
Now I'm curious about those faux windows.

1309
01:53:48,110 --> 01:53:52,990
I'm sorry, I'm having a real version to this.

1310
01:53:54,430 --> 01:53:59,650
I understand the faux window when you're very close to the property line and it's going

1311
01:53:59,650 --> 01:54:03,030
to result in a blank wall of siding.

1312
01:54:03,710 --> 01:54:10,530
And the faux window because it's visible is kind of a way of minimizing the impact

1313
01:54:10,530 --> 01:54:13,690
of that stretch of sight, and get that.

1314
01:54:14,370 --> 01:54:19,050
But when we start making decisions about somebody's furniture placement,

1315
01:54:20,450 --> 01:54:24,350
as far as how the exterior of the house is designed,

1316
01:54:24,790 --> 01:54:26,470
and really have an issue with that.

1317
01:54:26,570 --> 01:54:29,590
Because someone can come in to us and say, well, you know,

1318
01:54:31,650 --> 01:54:35,590
I'm putting in a huge library on this side of my house.

1319
01:54:35,870 --> 01:54:37,630
I don't want any windows there.

1320
01:54:37,630 --> 01:54:42,410
So I'm going to just put faux windows on the outside and then I'll be able to do whatever

1321
01:54:42,410 --> 01:54:43,610
I want on the inside.

1322
01:54:43,610 --> 01:54:48,230
I think it's a slippery slope and if they have precedent and I know we've done it before.

1323
01:54:48,790 --> 01:54:52,110
There's a lot of things we've done before and I think we learned from our mistakes.

1324
01:54:52,630 --> 01:54:58,170
I don't have a problem with faux windows when the reason for them is as I stated before,

1325
01:54:58,370 --> 01:55:05,190
to eliminate a light wall that is going to severely impact the exterior presentation of

1326
01:55:05,190 --> 01:55:13,270
the house, but to simply say, I can't put a window there because I'm a closet. I can't

1327
01:55:13,270 --> 01:55:18,990
have a window in my closet, or I can't do. I'm really sorry, I can't abide by that.

1328
01:55:19,250 --> 01:55:25,450
We just heard that they can take the full window out of the last house, and suddenly I can't

1329
01:55:25,450 --> 01:55:30,270
remove them. Because these are on elevations that are on the street facing side.

1330
01:55:30,270 --> 01:55:31,550
No, no, no, that's not true.

1331
01:55:31,750 --> 01:55:32,690
No, no, no, no, no.

1332
01:55:32,690 --> 01:55:33,910
They're in the house.

1333
01:55:34,270 --> 01:55:35,210
And they're inside the house.

1334
01:55:35,530 --> 01:55:37,770
And their side of the house is on a street corner now?

1335
01:55:38,350 --> 01:55:39,430
Yeah, but that's not street facing.

1336
01:55:39,830 --> 01:55:40,390
I mean, right?

1337
01:55:40,630 --> 01:55:42,830
I mean, my question is, by the way, stand on the street,

1338
01:55:42,990 --> 01:55:43,690
I can stay in.

1339
01:55:43,890 --> 01:55:44,930
I guess it's not street facing.

1340
01:55:45,090 --> 01:55:46,890
I'm not, I don't know the disagree with you,

1341
01:55:47,050 --> 01:55:48,250
but from the owner's perspective,

1342
01:55:48,510 --> 01:55:50,750
like, the adjacent house that was just built

1343
01:55:50,750 --> 01:55:52,050
has a window right there too.

1344
01:55:52,550 --> 01:55:55,510
So she's kind of saying like she wants to fight for it

1345
01:55:55,510 --> 01:55:57,590
just because it's been approved right next to work

1346
01:55:57,590 --> 01:55:58,270
on property.

1347
01:55:58,850 --> 01:56:02,630
on that stage. I mean, same exact condition in the rear house. She has a fake window.

1348
01:56:03,190 --> 01:56:07,150
Yeah, if you go to the existing condition. I want you to stay next. I just drove by it today.

1349
01:56:07,610 --> 01:56:12,230
And we approved that. Yeah. If you go to page 5.

1350
01:56:12,490 --> 01:56:13,690
It's in the 5th and this one.

1351
01:56:15,190 --> 01:56:16,090
No, not the other.

1352
01:56:18,730 --> 01:56:20,470
It's the one that was just built. Yeah.

1353
01:56:20,890 --> 01:56:25,410
And the reason for the window was, was there a setback issue?

1354
01:56:25,410 --> 01:56:28,710
and you know it's going to literally be in that

1355
01:56:28,710 --> 01:56:31,930
it's going to look for it, it's going to look for it.

1356
01:56:39,220 --> 01:56:40,500
I personally don't like to hit here.

1357
01:56:40,500 --> 01:56:40,900
No, I agree.

1358
01:56:41,160 --> 01:56:41,960
I don't want to hit here.

1359
01:56:45,020 --> 01:56:46,400
I'm looking at it.

1360
01:56:46,660 --> 01:56:46,780
Everything.

1361
01:56:47,480 --> 01:56:48,640
I'm going to say this.

1362
01:56:49,540 --> 01:56:52,140
So we're solving a problem for which there's all

1363
01:56:58,240 --> 01:57:08,340
There are people of town who have pianos and have valuable instruments, they put the picture up so that's the one I just saw today.

1364
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:15,600
There's only a shutter. It's going to back right up to this in the same elevation.

1365
01:57:18,420 --> 01:57:28,480
It's near the retaining wall on the side, it's near the side of the property that the back view that shows where that location is on the first floor tunnel.

1366
01:57:28,840 --> 01:57:32,740
It's dangerous, I don't know where. That's okay, but we have a drawing here.

1367
01:57:34,360 --> 01:57:37,240
Yeah, we can scroll that down. Yeah, we can just go down.

1368
01:57:37,240 --> 01:57:37,820
Yeah,

1369
01:57:40,700 --> 01:57:50,940
yeah, there you go, it looks like open, yeah, right there I do though. Yeah, but you can see every here.

1370
01:57:53,760 --> 01:58:00,080
And the property line sits right there, well, but is it so it's not a good deal with your property.

1371
01:58:00,640 --> 01:58:01,360
Can you get rid of it?

1372
01:58:01,640 --> 01:58:02,240
You know, that's what I think.

1373
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:04,220
Why don't you get rid of it?

1374
01:58:04,220 --> 01:58:08,960
No, the other for first, this was kind of a sensual

1375
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:10,300
with the power dance.

1376
01:58:10,480 --> 01:58:13,940
Without the blood, isn't that...

1377
01:58:13,940 --> 01:58:17,520
Just to be clear, the first time we actually

1378
01:58:17,520 --> 01:58:20,800
we made other planning changes, significant planning changes.

1379
01:58:21,560 --> 01:58:25,040
But there's a lot of glass in front of the size of the home

1380
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:28,460
and out of glass of proposing, like she has no wall space.

1381
01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:30,800
I mean, it really is like the only place.

1382
01:58:31,160 --> 01:58:33,700
She's a musician, it's basically like...

1383
01:58:33,700 --> 01:58:36,920
It's very specific to the program requirements.

1384
01:58:37,940 --> 01:58:39,060
I'm just curious.

1385
01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:43,840
So John, that little window there by the door, that's where the piano is going to go.

1386
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:46,860
What about the two windows that are just around the corner?

1387
01:58:48,160 --> 01:58:49,280
I mean, this is the kitchen.

1388
01:58:49,600 --> 01:58:51,300
No, those two windows right there.

1389
01:58:51,500 --> 01:58:52,560
No, no, no, no.

1390
01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:53,560
The bump box.

1391
01:58:53,840 --> 01:58:55,580
The back room.

1392
01:58:55,880 --> 01:58:56,580
The back porch.

1393
01:58:56,900 --> 01:58:57,540
The side view.

1394
01:58:57,900 --> 01:58:58,520
You're right.

1395
01:58:58,680 --> 01:58:59,260
You're right.

1396
01:58:59,420 --> 01:58:59,600
You're right.

1397
01:58:59,900 --> 01:59:00,320
You're right.

1398
01:59:04,160 --> 01:59:07,160
They're not going to affect this piano in any way.

1399
01:59:07,220 --> 01:59:07,320
No.

1400
01:59:07,740 --> 01:59:10,240
The panel is going to be sitting on this wall.

1401
01:59:11,720 --> 01:59:12,580
Oh, it's an upper right?

1402
01:59:12,920 --> 01:59:13,280
It's an upper.

1403
01:59:14,220 --> 01:59:15,700
So five plus three.

1404
01:59:16,020 --> 01:59:17,140
Okay, please just finish this.

1405
01:59:17,620 --> 01:59:17,760
Yes.

1406
01:59:18,860 --> 01:59:18,980
Yes.

1407
01:59:19,380 --> 01:59:30,970
So these phone windows, which don't feel distorted to me, but why is not white?

1408
01:59:30,970 --> 01:59:35,170
Is there a consideration of putting the registration in the air to leave the sheet?

1409
01:59:35,330 --> 01:59:37,670
How do you remove the tape that he has to want to make?

1410
01:59:37,890 --> 01:59:39,870
After it pulls out, it just acoustically.

1411
01:59:40,250 --> 01:59:41,630
And she can choose me next and say,

1412
01:59:41,730 --> 01:59:42,390
I can trust her.

1413
01:59:42,570 --> 01:59:45,150
Or if she's just worried about the acoustics of the nature.

1414
01:59:45,990 --> 01:59:47,470
Even though the sheet right there?

1415
01:59:48,950 --> 01:59:49,810
I believe so.

1416
01:59:51,570 --> 01:59:56,130
But there are acoustic panels that can be put...

1417
01:59:56,130 --> 01:59:58,070
I'm not making any suggestions to me.

1418
01:59:58,070 --> 01:59:59,070
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1419
01:59:59,070 --> 01:59:59,970
Yeah, I'm just like...

1420
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:06,340
abstain, if that was a consideration. I will, I'll back up a little bit.

1421
02:00:09,770 --> 02:00:12,310
You started by saying

1422
02:00:12,310 --> 02:00:17,210
that it's a American core square with head craftsman influences, and it certainly looks

1423
02:00:17,210 --> 02:00:25,850
that way from the front. And then, that style evaporates. Can you turn the corner or look

1424
02:00:25,850 --> 02:00:27,350
in the other side of the plate.

1425
02:00:27,890 --> 02:00:32,250
We've lost any low squad horizontal element.

1426
02:00:32,530 --> 02:00:34,630
It's just a front entry that has

1427
02:00:34,630 --> 02:00:36,690
those North Square columns.

1428
02:00:37,310 --> 02:00:40,890
To turn the corner, we have a very tall, very vertical

1429
02:00:43,030 --> 02:00:43,830
building here.

1430
02:00:44,070 --> 02:00:48,510
I think American Force Square is not what I would call it.

1431
02:00:48,770 --> 02:00:50,170
Perhaps it's an only in the front port.

1432
02:00:50,770 --> 02:00:54,050
I know you have a very challenging site,

1433
02:00:54,050 --> 02:00:58,050
The topography is such that they're going to get some height there.

1434
02:01:01,970 --> 02:01:04,750
I don't know, that little projection seems smaller than I would expect.

1435
02:01:04,970 --> 02:01:06,890
The house is big.

1436
02:01:09,590 --> 02:01:12,170
This projection, I guess, goes from window to stack.

1437
02:01:13,690 --> 02:01:15,270
I think this is...

1438
02:01:16,250 --> 02:01:19,170
It does not look like other historic homes we see,

1439
02:01:20,150 --> 02:01:21,290
except from the front.

1440
02:01:22,550 --> 02:01:23,510
And that's...

1441
02:01:23,510 --> 02:01:25,330
That's sort of...

1442
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:28,400
There's no name.

1443
02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:30,440
Not saying it's going to sink the project,

1444
02:01:30,440 --> 02:01:39,360
But all of this horsepower and symmetry and sort of squat elements that we expect to see in

1445
02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:44,820
force groups, it just evaporates when we need the front of the house and that's problematic to me.

1446
02:01:45,780 --> 02:01:52,060
And not a huge family, but we can improve them in an elevator shaft where the house had to have an

1447
02:01:52,060 --> 02:01:57,620
elevator for someone with 88 requirements and we can improve them at the back of the house

1448
02:02:05,990 --> 02:02:17,240
But this is a little strange, and you have two of them, but this is one we know is one on the west side of the second.

1449
02:02:18,400 --> 02:02:24,280
And the west elevation demonstration is absurd when you think of American horsemen.

1450
02:02:24,280 --> 02:02:26,120
There's a bunch of little tiny windows there.

1451
02:02:26,320 --> 02:02:28,980
It's very strange to see if we can see the other elevation.

1452
02:02:29,340 --> 02:02:30,660
And we scroll to that page.

1453
02:02:31,220 --> 02:02:31,800
Page is that?

1454
02:02:32,780 --> 02:02:33,320
That's one.

1455
02:02:33,480 --> 02:02:34,900
It's forward or back to this.

1456
02:02:35,040 --> 02:02:35,920
It's the other side of the building.

1457
02:02:36,420 --> 02:02:37,200
The west side.

1458
02:02:41,420 --> 02:02:41,720
From this.

1459
02:02:42,580 --> 02:02:43,480
Maybe the other way there.

1460
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:44,240
Jeff, there's it.

1461
02:02:48,240 --> 02:02:49,140
What are we missing in time?

1462
02:02:49,400 --> 02:02:49,860
Somewhere in there.

1463
02:02:50,900 --> 02:02:52,480
Let me talk about the elevation for the...

1464
02:02:53,080 --> 02:02:55,500
You have to go to the color elevation to see the west.

1465
02:02:55,960 --> 02:02:56,180
I'm sorry.

1466
02:02:56,640 --> 02:02:58,640
Is that in this packet or in a different file?

1467
02:02:59,240 --> 02:02:59,400
No.

1468
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:09,740
before we leave that elevation those two small windows on the first floor is

1469
02:03:09,740 --> 02:03:13,960
they're going to be a fireplace there is that way there that's correct I'm

1470
02:03:13,960 --> 02:03:22,060
gonna see if that's why I'm curious because that's also because we have the

1471
02:03:22,060 --> 02:03:25,320
vent but she's actually considering what the electric and science we don't know

1472
02:03:27,260 --> 02:03:32,260
and the reason for the two windows above it not matching any of the

1473
02:03:32,260 --> 02:03:41,200
the other windows in that elevation between the two second floor above the squares.

1474
02:03:42,220 --> 02:03:45,200
Why are they so small comparatively?

1475
02:03:45,980 --> 02:03:51,440
I mean, in terms of American four squares is a half an eleven one.

1476
02:03:52,100 --> 02:03:59,660
All the windows are the same size, no matter where they are, which is a problem for the most

1477
02:03:59,660 --> 02:04:05,720
part that they are the same size. I'm just curious to know why on the second floor you made that

1478
02:04:05,720 --> 02:04:10,840
so small. I mean it was, it's a reflection of, you know, how we're planning the space.

1479
02:04:11,360 --> 02:04:15,480
Again, interior, but the bed? Yeah. There we go. Okay.

1480
02:04:18,210 --> 02:04:20,290
I think, you know, and we're all faced with,

1481
02:04:20,390 --> 02:04:27,430
if you live in Ocean Grove, they always design houses from the outside in. So you're left with

1482
02:04:27,430 --> 02:04:32,550
awkward places to put pieces of furniture, but the exterior of the home is what we are

1483
02:04:32,550 --> 02:04:37,710
concerned with. And so the exterior of the home has got to be historically appropriate.

1484
02:04:38,750 --> 02:04:45,790
And those two windows, regardless of what furnishings are going on the inside, don't match up with

1485
02:04:45,790 --> 02:04:47,310
the rest of that elevation.

1486
02:04:53,620 --> 02:04:58,560
I would say, like, I understand you like your house, but I've walked around and looked at every

1487
02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:03,240
force for an ocean growth, and every one that has a lot like 60 feet, when the American

1488
02:05:03,240 --> 02:05:07,060
force for a condition, it was a square house, that was relative to a lot of location.

1489
02:05:07,540 --> 02:05:12,180
Most American forcewares that have this front technology in ocean growth, I mean, they,

1490
02:05:12,560 --> 02:05:15,940
all the windows are chaotic and random and different sizes on the side of the homes and

1491
02:05:15,940 --> 02:05:16,120
others.

1492
02:05:16,720 --> 02:05:18,680
I mean, it's literally throughout ocean growth.

1493
02:05:20,180 --> 02:05:27,160
I mean, the house, the house adjacent to this, and then also on the street over three houses

1494
02:05:27,160 --> 02:05:31,740
down that was just misconstruction, all of the windows are different, so I was on the side of that, so that was cool.

1495
02:05:32,160 --> 02:05:33,240
That's the one that's happened to me.

1496
02:05:33,320 --> 02:05:33,720
Stopped.

1497
02:05:33,900 --> 02:05:34,020
Yes.

1498
02:05:34,760 --> 02:05:35,180
That's it.

1499
02:05:35,340 --> 02:05:36,600
I started home.

1500
02:05:37,180 --> 02:05:39,200
It was the one that we allowed them to build up on.

1501
02:05:39,420 --> 02:05:39,940
It's small.

1502
02:05:40,580 --> 02:05:41,360
It's not.

1503
02:05:41,580 --> 02:05:42,220
It's not.

1504
02:05:42,220 --> 02:05:43,900
It's not a stir come to new home.

1505
02:05:44,340 --> 02:05:45,240
I believe it's a new home.

1506
02:05:45,380 --> 02:05:45,980
I don't know.

1507
02:05:46,080 --> 02:05:48,300
Well, the core of it remained.

1508
02:05:48,560 --> 02:05:49,140
Do you remember the one?

1509
02:05:49,380 --> 02:05:50,340
Just the bottom floor.

1510
02:05:50,600 --> 02:05:51,760
I wouldn't really understand.

1511
02:05:52,680 --> 02:05:54,260
But my question is, yeah.

1512
02:05:54,260 --> 02:05:58,300
on a relatively new construction because she just moved in for the last year.

1513
02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:05,560
Right. The corner of Mount Cornwall and New York Avenue. We have in the House

1514
02:06:05,560 --> 02:06:11,380
Faces New York Avenue at the very front corner on the south side of the house.

1515
02:06:11,680 --> 02:06:18,320
There is a faux window right at the front of the house. I will have to have the same thing

1516
02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:22,440
shutters. I would before I would even comment on that and I'd like to see the

1517
02:06:22,440 --> 02:06:27,420
I don't know about how, so that's a chance in your house because there's a window there because it intrudes on the staircase.

1518
02:06:28,600 --> 02:06:31,460
Oh, so we allowed it, and that...

1519
02:06:31,460 --> 02:06:32,760
We didn't have any choice.

1520
02:06:32,860 --> 02:06:33,500
We had to have choices.

1521
02:06:33,800 --> 02:06:34,380
We did there.

1522
02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:39,100
In COVID, let you put a window right through the staircase, so there's no choice but to put a photograph.

1523
02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:42,640
Right, but it's like kind of a very prominent location.

1524
02:06:42,820 --> 02:06:45,020
But there was an exception.

1525
02:06:47,340 --> 02:06:48,060
Other than...

1526
02:06:48,060 --> 02:06:49,840
But, again, we can't do that.

1527
02:06:50,160 --> 02:06:50,960
So, wait a second.

1528
02:06:51,960 --> 02:06:55,040
Let me finish, because we're talking about interior demands.

1529
02:06:55,420 --> 02:06:58,480
You can't dictate the exterior concerns.

1530
02:06:59,220 --> 02:07:02,120
But now you're saying staircase can dictate concerns.

1531
02:07:02,660 --> 02:07:02,800
No.

1532
02:07:03,040 --> 02:07:03,780
Code dictated that.

1533
02:07:03,780 --> 02:07:04,620
Code dictated that.

1534
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:05,940
We were super seated.

1535
02:07:07,100 --> 02:07:10,960
We wanted to restore the window because we covered a window that was there historically,

1536
02:07:11,120 --> 02:07:12,760
but there wasn't a staircase historically.

1537
02:07:13,400 --> 02:07:14,900
The staircase has been put in later,

1538
02:07:15,360 --> 02:07:16,920
and he said, I have to close it up.

1539
02:07:16,920 --> 02:07:23,140
So in order to honor that there had been a window there, that was being closed by COVID construction.

1540
02:07:23,620 --> 02:07:25,900
But it's still a gray area because it's still in the interior.

1541
02:07:26,040 --> 02:07:26,360
I agree.

1542
02:07:26,720 --> 02:07:31,760
The interior structure dictated the exterior as that.

1543
02:07:31,900 --> 02:07:33,740
And we're applying a different standard.

1544
02:07:33,820 --> 02:07:35,060
I don't know about that.

1545
02:07:35,300 --> 02:07:36,360
We can't do something.

1546
02:07:36,640 --> 02:07:38,920
The code says you can't do something.

1547
02:07:39,260 --> 02:07:41,060
We can't override the code.

1548
02:07:41,340 --> 02:07:42,020
There's one disadvantage.

1549
02:07:42,020 --> 02:07:48,580
That was your case that would be built because maybe you'd had to put it somewhere right or maybe we could have had to move the stairs and

1550
02:07:48,580 --> 02:07:56,300
there's an important little easy option with the house on New York, which is important because of that house

1551
02:07:57,200 --> 02:08:06,600
historically had a historic fenestration that window was there had been closed up at some earlier time but was uncovered during restoration

1552
02:08:06,600 --> 02:08:11,060
In order to acknowledge that there had been a window there which would have completed the

1553
02:08:11,060 --> 02:08:15,540
fenestration rhythm, they agreed to put in a faux window because they couldn't restore

1554
02:08:15,540 --> 02:08:16,460
the actual glass.

1555
02:08:17,200 --> 02:08:21,060
Main staircase was added in like the 30s.

1556
02:08:21,220 --> 02:08:26,600
So I hear all of that, but I'm still at the point I'm starting with is it's still an interior

1557
02:08:26,600 --> 02:08:30,300
concern has changed the exterior.

1558
02:08:30,600 --> 02:08:36,120
And you're saying in this case that my question to you is is I'd like to hang a picture on

1559
02:08:36,120 --> 02:08:40,520
on this wall, a valid interior concern to modify a historic window.

1560
02:08:41,200 --> 02:08:43,460
My historic window, not a brand-new window here,

1561
02:08:43,740 --> 02:08:44,740
but a historic window.

1562
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:46,520
If someone said I want to aim a picture here,

1563
02:08:46,840 --> 02:08:49,700
would that be sufficient reason to close up

1564
02:08:49,700 --> 02:08:51,980
a historic administration and a historic house?

1565
02:08:52,440 --> 02:08:54,840
I think the answer is no, obviously.

1566
02:08:55,880 --> 02:08:59,320
And in this case, a picture is superseded

1567
02:08:59,320 --> 02:09:02,100
by a code requirement or construction requirement,

1568
02:09:02,260 --> 02:09:03,640
which is, couldn't have this window

1569
02:09:03,640 --> 02:09:04,860
you know, cutting through a staircase,

1570
02:09:05,080 --> 02:09:07,280
at a stair level, to what this would have done.

1571
02:09:07,540 --> 02:09:09,000
I'm just saying, I think we're really

1572
02:09:09,000 --> 02:09:10,060
at this slippery slope.

1573
02:09:10,540 --> 02:09:11,140
That's what I think is.

1574
02:09:11,220 --> 02:09:15,000
Well, let's back out there and go to the rest side.

1575
02:09:15,100 --> 02:09:16,520
Let's go to the west side, and we'll

1576
02:09:16,520 --> 02:09:17,280
just look at the window.

1577
02:09:17,620 --> 02:09:18,660
The administration is here.

1578
02:09:23,560 --> 02:09:25,080
You showed it somewhere on our way.

1579
02:09:25,300 --> 02:09:27,180
So you basically, yeah.

1580
02:09:28,720 --> 02:09:29,480
Thank you, Heather.

1581
02:09:30,540 --> 02:09:31,260
There it is.

1582
02:09:33,420 --> 02:09:35,760
Now, I understand the two smaller windows,

1583
02:09:35,760 --> 02:09:44,720
fire place. What are these two small windows doing? You're on the first floor close to the front of the building.

1584
02:09:45,780 --> 02:09:52,570
This is in the basement of the fire and then in the staircase. In a faux window above.

1585
02:09:56,130 --> 02:09:57,930
And then two smaller windows.

1586
02:09:59,350 --> 02:10:05,890
What are those two small windows? They're all bathrooms on the second floor. What about the first one? That's a bathroom.

1587
02:10:07,750 --> 02:10:08,390
I

1588
02:10:13,030 --> 02:10:18,130
remember a house with this kind of what we would generally call modern

1589
02:10:18,130 --> 02:10:25,250
fenestration pattern that we have approved. Even in that room we have approved full-size windows

1590
02:10:25,250 --> 02:10:32,790
that have interior shutters on the ground floor or something. If this is what the Commission thinks

1591
02:10:32,790 --> 02:10:39,670
is viable and appropriate, then 100% they should vote for. But I know that this is unusual

1592
02:10:39,670 --> 02:10:42,370
configuration before this commission.

1593
02:10:44,390 --> 02:10:46,430
Other architects have brought similar

1594
02:10:47,650 --> 02:10:53,750
configurations that were deemed odd or unusual or moderate and faced a fair

1595
02:10:53,750 --> 02:10:58,210
amount of pushback from this commission. Again, this house is very close to another

1596
02:10:58,210 --> 02:11:03,250
house. It may not be visible. It's a larger house on this lot that was originally

1597
02:11:03,250 --> 02:11:09,170
there which creates some configurations that again are unique to this property and we

1598
02:11:09,170 --> 02:11:12,210
I do say each property is judged on its own merits.

1599
02:11:12,610 --> 02:11:16,390
Maybe here it is appropriate, but I would ask the commission

1600
02:11:16,390 --> 02:11:18,590
to consider whether or not that's the case

1601
02:11:18,590 --> 02:11:24,930
before the latent determination that, oh, it's fine.

1602
02:11:26,790 --> 02:11:30,330
Guarantee this will come back to not haunt us,

1603
02:11:30,490 --> 02:11:32,190
at least visit us again, because someone's

1604
02:11:32,190 --> 02:11:35,170
going to use this as a model of a very serious house

1605
02:11:35,770 --> 02:11:37,530
to your credit.

1606
02:11:38,050 --> 02:11:39,230
You're very serious architect.

1607
02:11:39,230 --> 02:11:41,030
that you do being serious projects.

1608
02:11:41,690 --> 02:11:43,510
This will be a lot more for other houses.

1609
02:11:45,490 --> 02:11:47,350
Again, there are bathrooms that make sense.

1610
02:11:47,450 --> 02:11:48,510
You can want a smaller window.

1611
02:11:48,870 --> 02:11:51,950
But a lot of houses in Ocean Grove have full-size windows

1612
02:11:51,950 --> 02:11:52,630
that there are bathrooms.

1613
02:11:54,880 --> 02:11:55,100
What do you do?

1614
02:11:55,380 --> 02:11:55,860
I do.

1615
02:11:56,340 --> 02:11:57,460
I mean, it's not uncommon.

1616
02:11:57,660 --> 02:11:59,180
It's not like it's an oddity or something.

1617
02:11:59,180 --> 02:11:59,700
No, it's not.

1618
02:11:59,860 --> 02:12:01,700
Can you see directly in your neighbor's house?

1619
02:12:02,700 --> 02:12:03,580
My bathroom.

1620
02:12:03,660 --> 02:12:04,800
No, I just was not sure.

1621
02:12:05,180 --> 02:12:07,420
I've got to be certain from a temporary standpoint

1622
02:12:07,420 --> 02:12:08,580
for building a new shop.

1623
02:12:08,580 --> 02:12:17,060
So, my last house, my windows looked directly into someone's living, so I put them on it, you know, because

1624
02:12:19,240 --> 02:12:24,480
directly, the shower, directly, toilet, directly into all the private areas, the same as the bed.

1625
02:12:25,940 --> 02:12:33,640
That's unfortunate, but when that project came before this commission and I wasn't sitting on this commission, I received the same feedback, which is

1626
02:12:34,400 --> 02:12:37,780
Those are historic-shaped windows that should be there on the side of the house.

1627
02:12:39,320 --> 02:12:40,600
Can I make them smaller?

1628
02:12:41,120 --> 02:12:41,320
No.

1629
02:12:41,780 --> 02:12:41,940
Yeah.

1630
02:12:42,200 --> 02:12:45,040
You have to make them the size of this door so you don't need them.

1631
02:12:45,240 --> 02:12:52,030
So if you want to take the full window out, this is the bottom right hand corner by that staircase.

1632
02:12:52,490 --> 02:12:55,150
I think that you could probably push that through.

1633
02:12:55,970 --> 02:12:56,470
I do.

1634
02:12:56,730 --> 02:12:59,230
I think you could get away with the blank wall for Group GNO.

1635
02:12:59,410 --> 02:13:01,070
I don't think that important of the side.

1636
02:13:04,390 --> 02:13:07,970
That's a preferred thing, if you take that window off, it's a little odd, you don't have

1637
02:13:07,970 --> 02:13:13,610
a shed roof or anything over that staircase, a shed roof, standing out over that platform

1638
02:13:13,610 --> 02:13:19,730
would help dress down all a little bit, you see less flaky, you can notice it in that space.

1639
02:13:23,540 --> 02:13:28,240
The second plate window on the second floor on the west side is a little more problematic

1640
02:13:35,670 --> 02:13:36,110
I

1641
02:13:38,130 --> 02:13:39,650
don't think that that would be very much.

1642
02:13:41,540 --> 02:13:42,340
I don't.

1643
02:13:42,340 --> 02:13:42,640
Okay.

1644
02:13:45,020 --> 02:13:46,820
You said it was in a closet.

1645
02:13:47,180 --> 02:13:47,300
Yeah.

1646
02:13:47,660 --> 02:13:50,940
So I don't think a faux window is a necessity in a closet.

1647
02:13:51,040 --> 02:13:54,980
I don't think anybody is going to be standing into their closet.

1648
02:13:56,100 --> 02:13:57,160
I mean, again, I do.

1649
02:13:57,680 --> 02:13:58,700
Ideally, we wouldn't have.

1650
02:13:59,200 --> 02:14:00,560
It's towards the front of the building.

1651
02:14:01,320 --> 02:14:04,340
But I still think it wouldn't be very visible for me.

1652
02:14:04,860 --> 02:14:05,880
That's not a great deal.

1653
02:14:06,420 --> 02:14:08,720
A lot of houses in Ocean Grove, they're not visible.

1654
02:14:09,160 --> 02:14:10,860
The rear is not visible at all.

1655
02:14:11,080 --> 02:14:12,280
Does that mean you should just...

1656
02:14:12,280 --> 02:14:13,040
I mean, you heard it instead.

1657
02:14:13,240 --> 02:14:14,380
They do not have a glazed block.

1658
02:14:14,600 --> 02:14:15,500
The order needs to be seen.

1659
02:14:15,860 --> 02:14:16,060
No.

1660
02:14:16,320 --> 02:14:17,340
But the order needs to be seen specifically

1661
02:14:17,340 --> 02:14:18,840
to talk to them about window demonstrations.

1662
02:14:19,340 --> 02:14:20,140
If they're not visible,

1663
02:14:20,420 --> 02:14:21,740
let them work against consideration.

1664
02:14:22,580 --> 02:14:23,320
I mean, it's...

1665
02:14:23,320 --> 02:14:26,600
The guidelines talk about visibility of administrators.

1666
02:14:26,600 --> 02:14:27,260
Yes, we do.

1667
02:14:28,800 --> 02:14:29,200
Okay.

1668
02:14:31,360 --> 02:14:38,040
We are taking an end to consideration, but the consideration, I don't think the house

1669
02:14:38,040 --> 02:14:45,440
makes a very persuasive argument that this is an necessity in case where it's both appropriate.

1670
02:14:47,260 --> 02:14:49,880
I decided to go again, I care less about that.

1671
02:14:50,040 --> 02:14:52,120
It is a secondary entrance, it is at the back.

1672
02:14:52,700 --> 02:14:54,860
Although you are on the corner, that we can help that.

1673
02:14:54,860 --> 02:14:59,800
and another property is blocked, that would be in the rear of the house and we wouldn't, that's not it.

1674
02:15:33,660 --> 02:15:45,400
We signed all those kind of elongated rectangles. That house is still sitting way up on that retaining wall, plus you have some foundation showing. There's a lot of hate there because windows give it some weight.

1675
02:15:48,100 --> 02:15:51,760
It feels like a suburban house designed for a suburban location.

1676
02:15:54,160 --> 02:16:05,580
Let's just get rid of all the windows where we don't want to meet them. And we generally do not occur houses that happen. I feel like it may kind of a hard contrary

1677
02:16:10,190 --> 02:16:10,990
person here.

1678
02:16:10,990 --> 02:16:13,330
but he really made to

1679
02:16:16,310 --> 02:16:22,670
people to not present this to us and when they do, we generally push back.

1680
02:16:24,680 --> 02:16:25,240
So that's enough.

1681
02:16:27,520 --> 02:16:31,820
Our guidelines also talk about the fantasies as being one of the most important features.

1682
02:16:34,280 --> 02:16:39,840
So to simply ignore them, I'm just wondering if we want to decide whether to,

1683
02:16:40,300 --> 02:16:45,280
if there might be one of the draw and we're going to make an application

1684
02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:48,920
or do you want to vote on the proposal as proposed?

1685
02:16:49,480 --> 02:16:51,080
I think that would be a different class.

1686
02:16:52,440 --> 02:16:54,900
In other words, did you follow me just there?

1687
02:16:55,460 --> 02:16:56,500
I mean, not quite funny.

1688
02:16:56,720 --> 02:16:59,260
Regardless of the new voter round, if it was denied,

1689
02:16:59,460 --> 02:17:02,020
we'd have to go to another very important list around.

1690
02:17:02,960 --> 02:17:04,480
You'd have to go to the zoning board.

1691
02:17:04,540 --> 02:17:06,360
Well, no, no, or what if you wanted

1692
02:17:06,360 --> 02:17:08,980
to amend the plans after we denied,

1693
02:17:08,980 --> 02:17:11,000
and they want to submit a amended plan?

1694
02:17:11,160 --> 02:17:12,280
It's got to be a home of the application.

1695
02:17:12,480 --> 02:17:12,800
Yeah, yeah.

1696
02:17:12,800 --> 02:17:20,160
You don't want to do that as administratively because you'd have to start the scratch you could ask to the post but you could so to carry it to the next

1697
02:17:20,860 --> 02:17:23,000
Meaning and to discuss with you

1698
02:17:23,000 --> 02:17:27,280
This is the important thing if you need an opportunity to talk to your client

1699
02:17:36,620 --> 02:17:37,100
Before

1700
02:17:39,560 --> 02:17:40,260
any so

1701
02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:43,200
If it's denied what

1702
02:17:45,260 --> 02:17:47,580
The option is to appeal to the zoning board.

1703
02:17:47,720 --> 02:17:48,580
You'll visit the board.

1704
02:17:49,520 --> 02:17:50,580
Board change, right?

1705
02:17:50,900 --> 02:17:53,880
No, but if you change, you have to start with scratch.

1706
02:17:54,720 --> 02:17:54,920
Use.

1707
02:17:55,500 --> 02:17:56,480
It's a certificate called the law.

1708
02:17:56,480 --> 02:17:58,180
You have a pen on the end of it.

1709
02:17:58,320 --> 02:18:00,380
But if we don't vote, and we carry it,

1710
02:18:00,420 --> 02:18:01,360
he would make a amendment.

1711
02:18:01,420 --> 02:18:03,100
If he's asking that, that wasn't his question.

1712
02:18:03,480 --> 02:18:05,840
I guess, but it kind of is my question.

1713
02:18:05,960 --> 02:18:07,380
What's the difference of changing the plans

1714
02:18:07,780 --> 02:18:09,420
with the denial versus changing the plan?

1715
02:18:09,700 --> 02:18:11,220
You can't change the plans for tonight.

1716
02:18:11,620 --> 02:18:14,000
You have to read some mental home ramification

1717
02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:17,080
and then the clock starts all over you.

1718
02:18:17,080 --> 02:18:19,780
You have to raise a bit, start to come back, you know.

1719
02:18:20,660 --> 02:18:21,900
You have to go to the zone again,

1720
02:18:22,040 --> 02:18:24,160
and you have to go back to the point where you'd be parried.

1721
02:18:24,260 --> 02:18:26,940
The right option, if you think you might be changing the plans,

1722
02:18:27,800 --> 02:18:29,080
would be to parry it.

1723
02:18:29,240 --> 02:18:30,880
That would be the best option for you.

1724
02:18:30,960 --> 02:18:33,720
Unless you think that this denial from this board

1725
02:18:33,720 --> 02:18:37,220
is subject to being overturned by the zoning display.

1726
02:18:39,720 --> 02:18:41,980
That's, and I can't say anything else about that,

1727
02:18:41,980 --> 02:18:45,980
But I think your best course back should be to get to, well, you should reach out to your client.

1728
02:18:46,600 --> 02:18:51,960
But unless you think that all these comments are going to go to a proof, you know, I think you can feel out.

1729
02:18:55,940 --> 02:18:58,400
Let me just ask your share of insight through it.

1730
02:18:58,640 --> 02:18:58,860
Okay.

1731
02:18:59,840 --> 02:19:01,160
So we're going to talk five minutes.

1732
02:19:01,480 --> 02:19:01,600
Yeah.

1733
02:19:02,000 --> 02:19:02,160
Yeah.

1734
02:19:03,200 --> 02:19:04,960
Can we pause the recording?

1735
02:19:05,240 --> 02:19:05,500
No.

1736
02:19:05,960 --> 02:19:08,540
Even if you're on, you're going to talk about it.

1737
02:20:45,360 --> 02:20:50,280
Yeah, I guess the question is, like, if it's denied, I'm not quite sure, I don't understand

1738
02:20:50,280 --> 02:20:50,740
why not.

1739
02:20:51,080 --> 02:20:52,660
Like, can I make a change in every submitter?

1740
02:20:52,820 --> 02:20:53,060
No.

1741
02:20:53,580 --> 02:20:55,520
Oh, yeah, but you have to do new fees.

1742
02:20:56,400 --> 02:20:56,980
New everything.

1743
02:20:56,980 --> 02:21:05,640
is how you must return to zoning and those are fees and then you go to check it's based on your voice.

1744
02:21:06,700 --> 02:21:12,480
So it comes down to you. Do you think there's a way in your mind that with your plan, you know your plan?

1745
02:21:12,820 --> 02:21:18,240
Do you think there's an option that plan to make this more viable to this commission

1746
02:21:18,840 --> 02:21:23,380
than the best force of action is probably to withdraw it or just carry it to an extreme.

1747
02:21:25,760 --> 02:21:34,180
If you think that you and your plan are not going to change this, then you should probably go sort of out and then decide whether you want to appeal to CDA.

1748
02:21:34,640 --> 02:21:35,780
So we'll just finish up.

1749
02:21:35,900 --> 02:21:35,960
Right.

1750
02:21:37,000 --> 02:21:38,440
Or start a new application.

1751
02:21:39,820 --> 02:21:40,460
Heather, go ahead.

1752
02:21:41,020 --> 02:21:42,000
There's a lot of delays.

1753
02:21:43,760 --> 02:21:46,080
So if it's carried, it's automatically agenda.

1754
02:21:46,480 --> 02:21:49,100
Well, it has to Heather has room on the agenda.

1755
02:21:49,960 --> 02:21:50,540
For next one.

1756
02:21:50,900 --> 02:21:51,200
Do you?

1757
02:21:51,200 --> 02:21:53,600
Thank you, and that's what I was going to say.

1758
02:21:53,940 --> 02:21:58,260
So as I was trying to explain, if you go to the CDA with a denial, right now is a 45

1759
02:21:58,260 --> 02:22:02,860
vehicle with the process, there's a 45 game at the end of the time, there are, no,

1760
02:22:03,020 --> 02:22:06,280
we all actually go to the next available meeting.

1761
02:22:06,700 --> 02:22:08,340
Right now, I'm in to your gender.

1762
02:22:09,240 --> 02:22:09,540
What else?

1763
02:22:10,800 --> 02:22:13,440
But if you're in the event that's scary, then you can go up to it.

1764
02:22:13,520 --> 02:22:15,360
You would just go to the next, back here.

1765
02:22:15,620 --> 02:22:20,500
All right, and I just, you know, and I'll give you time to review, revise the drawings,

1766
02:22:20,500 --> 02:22:28,780
resubmits tech without having to restart everything from the beginning or redo the zoning because if you get approved through the board

1767
02:22:28,780 --> 02:22:33,180
You're then I take those plans that are approved by the board and I

1768
02:22:33,180 --> 02:22:35,800
Resubmit them to zoning as per the HBC

1769
02:22:36,680 --> 02:22:41,320
For our own so then you're not repaying the $35 waiting attendees

1770
02:22:41,320 --> 02:22:44,140
she's gonna review them with the

1771
02:22:45,080 --> 02:22:46,340
recommendations of the agency

1772
02:22:47,140 --> 02:22:49,740
So it stops, but it's kind of the final.

1773
02:22:51,320 --> 02:22:58,020
So what you have to do on behalf of your of the applicant is request that the application be carried to the next hearing.

1774
02:23:00,660 --> 02:23:06,550
I honestly don't know if she's wrong, but I mean she's not. I think that's the only thing.

1775
02:23:06,650 --> 02:23:08,130
That's your best option. Yeah. Yeah.

1776
02:23:08,310 --> 02:23:15,110
If you if you make no changes, then the at the next hearing, the commission will vote on the application as is.

1777
02:23:15,110 --> 02:23:16,050
Yeah, I'll be sure to get asked.

1778
02:23:16,610 --> 02:23:16,750
Okay.

1779
02:23:17,970 --> 02:23:18,910
All right, so, um,

1780
02:23:19,470 --> 02:23:20,430
we're across from here?

1781
02:23:20,670 --> 02:23:20,850
Yes.

1782
02:23:21,490 --> 02:23:22,550
No further notice?

1783
02:23:23,410 --> 02:23:23,770
No, yeah.

1784
02:23:24,230 --> 02:23:26,350
Can you make a motion to accept it?

1785
02:23:26,730 --> 02:23:26,990
Can you carry?

1786
02:23:27,150 --> 02:23:27,270
No.

1787
02:23:27,550 --> 02:23:28,010
Yeah, we should.

1788
02:23:28,350 --> 02:23:28,770
It should.

1789
02:23:29,170 --> 02:23:29,450
Yeah.

1790
02:23:29,830 --> 02:23:30,070
Right.

1791
02:23:32,380 --> 02:23:33,400
Okay, first of all.

1792
02:23:35,620 --> 02:23:37,100
Uh, I was going to ask if,

1793
02:23:37,640 --> 02:23:40,820
can I come to a time review prior to that?

1794
02:23:40,940 --> 02:23:41,820
Yeah, absolutely.

1795
02:23:42,640 --> 02:23:43,580
That's the thing you heard.

1796
02:23:43,580 --> 02:23:47,940
and you can get a new plan.

1797
02:23:48,120 --> 02:23:50,640
If you want to be with him, you can get a new plan.

1798
02:23:50,920 --> 02:23:53,120
You're in your client and say,

1799
02:23:53,300 --> 02:23:55,420
don't take this to know out of order, this is a not a good school.

1800
02:23:55,820 --> 02:23:59,880
At least you'll have some updates that might make the application a little bit easier

1801
02:23:59,880 --> 02:24:01,220
to follow the reports.

1802
02:24:01,760 --> 02:24:03,160
So that way you think it's over.

1803
02:24:05,020 --> 02:24:05,700
Thank you.

1804
02:24:06,100 --> 02:24:06,580
Rough night.

1805
02:24:06,940 --> 02:24:07,240
Thank you.

1806
02:24:07,480 --> 02:24:07,640
Sorry.

1807
02:24:08,420 --> 02:24:10,080
One way, one, the life.

1808
02:24:10,620 --> 02:24:11,540
That's all I wanted to say.

1809
02:24:11,540 --> 02:24:14,760
I don't want to appreciate your time on it.

1810
02:24:15,100 --> 02:24:16,960
There's no one for the public, so yeah.

1811
02:24:17,420 --> 02:24:17,880
Motion to.

1812
02:24:18,620 --> 02:24:19,420
Motion to adjourn.

1813
02:24:19,460 --> 02:24:20,460
I wish you do adjourned.

1814
02:24:20,600 --> 02:24:21,520
I mean, second.

1815
02:24:21,700 --> 02:24:23,060
No, we have to approve.

1816
02:24:23,760 --> 02:24:24,260
We have to approve.

1817
02:24:24,260 --> 02:24:24,380
We have to approve.

1818
02:24:24,740 --> 02:24:24,840
We have to approve.

1819
02:24:25,140 --> 02:24:26,920
We did?

1820
02:24:27,500 --> 02:24:28,660
What did we do?

1821
02:24:29,180 --> 02:24:29,560
We did?

1822
02:24:29,780 --> 02:24:30,040
We did.

1823
02:24:30,180 --> 02:24:31,020
We did that first.

1824
02:24:32,040 --> 02:24:32,300
You're right.

1825
02:24:32,500 --> 02:24:32,740
You did it.

1826
02:24:32,780 --> 02:24:33,380
My own favor.

1827
02:24:34,320 --> 02:24:34,540
Hi.

1828
02:24:34,820 --> 02:24:35,080
Hi.

1829
02:24:38,220 --> 02:24:38,620
OK.

1830
02:24:39,140 --> 02:24:41,220
Can we turn off the episode?

1831
02:24:41,700 --> 02:24:42,140
Hi, everybody.

1832
02:24:42,140 --> 02:24:45,000
but that's fine, thank you so much for all the years.