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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Today is Tuesday, August 25th, and I am calling the special meeting of the number of city council to order at 701 PM. We do not have a member of the clergy, so I will take a moment of silence.

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Thank you. Tonight we are led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Councillor Atlard Shane Bergel.

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to be visible with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you, Mr. President.

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Thank you, Councillor.

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I am joined tonight in the New Beverage City Council Chambers

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by my colleagues, Council of At Largie and Abram,

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Councillor of Wood, two Scott Pemberton,

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Council of Wood, one Leo Showcat,

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Council of Wood, five Joseph Lopes,

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Council of At Largie Brian Gomes,

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Council of At Largie James Roy,

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Council of At Largie Naomi Carny,

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Council of Wood, three Sean Oliver,

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Council about large and first vice president Shane Bergo, Council of Wood for direct

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Baptiste, and I am City Council President and Council of Wood's six Ryan Parallel.

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I'd like to note that this meeting is being excuse me, I don't need letters to be

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read into the picture.

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Thank you.

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I would like to note that this meeting is being live streamed in recorded City Council

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and committee meetings can be viewed on the New City of New Bedford's home page under

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quick links then meetings.

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Before we get to the business, the chair would just like to read a brief announcement.

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We are all aware of the occurrence last week, and now that everyone has had time to settle

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down from the emotions that sprung up during last week's meetings, we need to conduct

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the business of the city in an orderly and deliberate manner.

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So there's no need to rewind or replay what happened last week, but only the need to remind

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everyone of some basic ground rules for proceeding in an orderly way.

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The President is responsible to preserve decorum.

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There are rules of decorum that detail some expectations of everyone in attendance at meetings of the City Council

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in the rules that posted here at City Hall.

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The rules posted, however, are not exhaustive and the chair reserves the right to preserve order in a sole discretion.

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In preserving decorum in order, no person, other than members of the City Council, may speak or address the meeting without the explicit

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permission of the chair. Members of the city council are also responsible to maintain order as well.

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Councilors must confine their remarks to the merits of the pending question. In preserving

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decorment order, the President requires that all remarks be made through the chair, and the chair

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will not allow members of the council to directly address each other, the media, or any other persons.

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Once debate ends, and a vote is being taken, no member of the council shall give commentary during

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vote and shall simply answer yes or no on each question put to a vote.

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Disruptions of this meeting will not be allowed.

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So the chair to determine that a particular person is disrupting the meeting, the chair

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may alert the person that the behavior is causing a disruption and the chair could ask the

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person to leave.

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The chair is now advising everyone that yelling or shouting out loud or making noise during

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the course of debate will be considered a disruption.

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If you have to be warned and then requesting the person disrupting to leave the meeting refuses

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to leave voluntarily, the chair will be left with no choice but to have the disrupting

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person removed by the police at the chair's direction.

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It is the chair's expectation that the need for such action will not be necessary, but everyone

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should understand how the chair intends to proceed.

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I ask for everyone's assistance in keeping order and conducting tonight's government business.

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Thank you.

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I'll ask the clerk to read item number 1.

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Mr. President, I am one of the communications from Council President Pereira, calling

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a special city council meeting for Tuesday, August 25th, 2026 at 7 p.m. for the purpose of

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considering and hearing the unfinished business remaining from the city council meeting agenda

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previously scheduled for Thursday, August 2026, which was unexpectedly adjourned.

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Motion received a place on file.

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Motion received a place on file made by Councillor Roy.

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Seconded by Councillor Bergo.

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Say aye. Opposed, the aye's have at last, the clerk to read item to. Mr. President item 2 is an ordinance and

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Anyone on the question?

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meeting chapter 9 of comprehensive zoning, formed based code districts. This was passed

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with second reading on July 16th of 2026.

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A motion to pass to be ordained made by Council of

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Bergo, seconded by Council of Avery, anyone on the question? Last, the clerk to call the roll.

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Councillor Avery. Yes. Yes. Councillor Baptiste. Yes. Councillor Bergo. Yes. Yes. Yes. Councillor

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Yes, yes comes a go. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

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Come to lobes. Yes, come to Oliver. Yes. Yes.

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Yes. Come to Pemberton. Yes. Yes.

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Yes. Come to Prairie. Yes.

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Come to Roy. Yes. Yes. Yes.

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Pass the loan is 0 on this.

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Item passes 11 to 0. The ordinance has been ordained.

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I will ask the clerk to read item 3.

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Mr. President, item 3 is report from the special committee on special permits and licensing.

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Recommended to be council approval of the application for a new private

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other relations on behalf of George Alameda doing business as all needs transportation located

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at 32 Liberia Lane in New Bedford, three A is the communication.

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Motion to grant the delivery license made by Councillor Abrough, seconded by Councillor

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Baptiste, anyone on the question?

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All those in favor say aye.

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Opposed.

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The aye's have it.

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I'll ask the clerk to read item four.

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Mr. President, item four is report from the special committee on special permits and licensing.

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recommending to the City Council approval of the petition for the waiver of residency on behalf of Anna Thomas of Fall River Mass.

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Doing business as all things with Anna, located at 127 West Rodney French Boulevard in New Bedford,

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requesting a waiver of residency in accordance with the section 15-38 of the City Code to obtain a license to deal in junk,

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old metals or any other secondhand articles for a is a communication.

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Motion to grant the waiver made by Councillor Avery, seconded by Councillor Bergel, anyone on the question?

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I will ask the clerk to call the roll.

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Councillor Avery Room?

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Yes, Councillor Baptiste.

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Can't you ever go?

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Can't you go home?

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Can't you ever go home?

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Can't you ever go home?

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Councillor Roy.

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Yes.

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Item passes 11-0.

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The waiver is granted.

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We'll ask the clerk to read that.

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Number 5.

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Mr. President, item 5 is a report from the Committee on Appointments and Briefings.

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Recommended to City Council grant the demolition of the building located at 535 Brock Avenue, known as the Coffin

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Howlin House, map 011.00565A is the communication.

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Motion to grant the demolition.

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Motion to grant the demolition made by Council of Bergo.

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Second, second by Council of Oliver.

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Anyone on the question?

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All those in favor say aye?

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Opposed the ice have it.

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That's the clerk to read at number six.

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Mr. President item six is a report from the Community and Appointments and Briefings.

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Recommended the Council approval of the appointment of just an Olson of the Bedford Mass Chooses to the Water Board.

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Six A is the communication.

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Motion to receive in place on file grant the appointment of April 40.

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Second. Motion to grant the appointment of Justin Olsen and leave rule 40 made by Councillor

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Bergo second and by Councillor Roy anyone on the question? I will ask the clerk to call the

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roll excuse me Councillor Avery. Yes, Councillor Baptiste. Yes, Councillor Bergo. Yes, yes,

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Councillor Carny. Yes. Yes, Councillor Schokec. Yes, Councillor Gomes. Yes, yes,

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Councillor Loops. Yes, Councillor Oliver. Yes,

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President.

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Item passes 11 to 0.

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Last the clerk to read.

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Item number 7, please.

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Mr. President.

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Item 7 is report from the Committee on Finance, recommended the City Council approval

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of the Housing Development and Center for Program and Resolution for Attacks.

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Increment exemption for Vanco Studio Architects LLC.

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Seven A is the Housing Development and Center for Program and Seven B is the Resolution.

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Motion to approve the H step and grant the resolution made by Council

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a little second if I counsel a burgo. Anyone on the question? All those in favor say aye.

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Opposed the I-SAB at the last of the quick to read item number eight.

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Mr. President item eight is a report from the Committee on Finance,

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recommending to the City Council adoption of the orders to lay out and taking of Hillman Street

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at the terminus of Pleasant Street for the purpose of re-aligning Hillman Street to the West

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so a new signalized intersection can be built. Eight A is a registered land and eight B is a recorded land.

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Motion to adopt the orders of taking made by Councilor Abrams second by Councilor Roy anyone on the question

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Also, in favor, say aye. Opposed, the ayes have it. I will ask the clerk to read item number 9.

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Mr. President, item 9 is report from the Committee on City Property, recommending the City Council

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approval of the proposal submitted by South Coast Investments Incorporated for the

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Development of Fire Station number 3, located at 834 Kempton Street and approval

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of the proposals submitted by the Bush Development for the Development of Fire Station

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number 11, located at 754 Brock Avenue, 9A is the order and 9B and C are the proposals.

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I wish receiving place on file and grant the proposal of the fire station's second.

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Motion to grant the approval of the proposals of the fire stations made by Council Oliver.

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Second, by Council of Gomes, anyone on the question?

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All those in favor say aye.

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Opposed, the eyes have it.

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Colleagues, items 10 through 12, they are all reports out of committee for no further action.

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I would like to wave the readings and take no further action.

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May by council.

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Second by council. All of our anyone on the question. All those in favor say aye.

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Opposed the ice have it. That brings us to item number 13, please.

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Mr. President, I am 13 is written motion from council.

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votes.

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Request not the convenient ordinances in the planning board, we zone plot 39, a lot 22,

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30 Brigham Street from the split zoning of residential B and next use business to

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make use of business for the entire parcel.

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Follow a recommendation and follow a recommendation and refer to the committee and ordinance

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in the planning board and receive a place on fire.

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Motion to refer the items to the committee on ordinances in the planning board made by

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consular lobes.

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Second, by Councillor Abrew. Anyone on the question? Motion speaks for itself.

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All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed the ayes have it.

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I'll ask the clerk to read item 14.

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Mr. President, item 14 is written motion from Council Goams.

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Requestments, the City Council go on record.

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For the third time against Massachusetts House Bill,

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H2196 and Senate Bill S1393 that would authorize safe injection sites and cities and towns across the Commonwealth.

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considering that under U.S. Department of Justice Federal Law 21, U.S.C. Section 856,

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injections, and injection sites are deemed illegal, and further requesting that letters

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be sent to Governor Mooraheerley, our state delegation, and the Senate and House Speaker's

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expressive opposition to any site being located in a city of New Bedford. And further

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request that the New Bedford Board of Health declined to vote on implementation of any

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site posed within the city.

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for the recommendation way for Friday.

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Second, and we rule 17.

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So we're going to we rule 17 first.

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It's a pending legislation.

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So I have a motion made by Councillor Gomes.

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Second, by Councillor Cairney to we rule 17.

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And then we can.

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Councillor Ebrou.

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Yes.

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Councillor Baptiste.

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Yes.

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Councillor Brogo.

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Yes.

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Bill has been up in Boston once more, I do not support drug injection sites of any kind.

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We should be helping these people to get off whatever drug they're on and see a better

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life for me to open up an injection site where we'll have police officers arrest somebody

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with drugs on them in a neighborhood or in a pool over, but I'm going to invite people to come

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to a site where you can inject drugs into you,

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illegal drugs, I can't be a part of that.

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And I will not be a part of it.

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And I hope that my colleagues, we voted on this a couple

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of times already.

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I hope my colleagues will follow that same suit.

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New Befford wants to lead, not following the state,

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as far as an injection site.

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I believe this is not good for the city and New Befford.

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It's not good for the people again.

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We want to help these people who have the problem.

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I don't want to hinder or contribute to it in any way.

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Again, and I don't want to put our law enforcement and others in line to deal with this

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on a daily basis here in the city in Newgovern.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Councillor.

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Chair, I can just Councillor Roy.

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Thank you, Mr. President.

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I oppose this motion, respectfully, for a few reasons.

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This motion is present and it oversimplifies this legislation.

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This legislation is much broader than safe injection sites. It addresses harm reduction services. That includes overdose prevention and reversal, health screenings, referral, treatment and recovery services and other social supports.

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We should be fair in considering the full scope of the legislation before we take a position on it. Also, I, Mr. President, I'm firmly in the belief that our policies that we create here should be based in evidence and not fear.

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There's two often that fear leads policymakers to adopt ineffective programs or reject effective ones.

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Substance use is a complicated public health issue that is deeply shaped by stigma and prejudice.

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As policymakers, Mr. President, we have a responsibility to understand the research and follow the public health evidence.

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And you know, we really shouldn't be taking potential public health tools off the table before they're even proposed.

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Any program would require approval from our local Board of Health.

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And in New Bedford, we may ultimately decide that certain harm reduction services are not right for our city.

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But that's a very different thing from deciding in advance that they should never even be considered.

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We should not take public health tools off the table before our public health experts have had an opportunity to evaluate them.

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And, you know, federal law is a legitimate question, but it shouldn't freeze us when it hasn't frozen our state legislatures.

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There are legitimate questions about how state authorization interacts with federal law to be true.

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Our state lawmakers are grappling with those questions right now and have attempted to address

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them through state legal protections.

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But the bottom line is that any unresolved legal questions don't require us to preemptively

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shut down the conversation here on harm reduction services.

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Mr. President, and before I yield, I think it's important that as a body, we should actually

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know what legislation we're opposing.

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The Councilor of the Good Council from Clara Street's motion

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references H2196, but that House Bill, Mr. President,

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was redrafted, and has a different bill number.

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And both Rependrix and Cabral are our co-sponsors.

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But if we're going to take a formal position as a city council,

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drafting letters to state leaders,

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We should be looking at the current bill and understand what it actually does.

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Some of you know that my dad died of a heroin overdose and many people in this room have

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lost loved ones to substance use disorder.

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Thankfully, overdoses in our city are declining.

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And certain harm reduction services may never be needed or may ultimately not be the right

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But these raised difficult and necessary questions, and I'm not in favor of closing the door on that conversation.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Councillor.

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The Chair will recognize Councillor Burgo.

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Thank you, Mr. President.

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I agree with my colleague from Hussie Street.

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I'm glad he mentioned the change in the House bill.

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So I think if the make of the motion would be amenable,

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you would want to amend to reflect the correct H5274 bill.

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I think we all know I've been very vocal in my support for harm reduction, I believe harm reduction saves lives.

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I believe that when someone is struggling with substance use disorder,

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our first responsibility as a community should be to keep that person alive long enough to have another opportunity to recover.

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Whether that means access to our can or treatment or recovery services,

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That means meeting people where they are even when they are not ready to meet us where we want them to be.

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And I don't believe that supporting harm reduction means that we must ignore the legitimate concerns of residents, businesses, neighbourhoods, law enforcement, public health officials or municipal government.

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In fact, I believe the opposite.

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I said before that you cannot simply force something like this onto a community and expect it to work.

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If we are going to consider new approaches to addressing the overdose crisis, they have to be implemented responsibly.

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They should be phased in, be transparent, and have accountability.

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And most importantly, there has to be meaningful community involvement.

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That is where my concern with the current legislation comes in.

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The current House bill H5274 does something that I think is important. It recognizes that the local community should have a voice. It requires approval from the Board of Health in the host municipality before a harm reduction program can be established.

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I think that's a step in the right direction, but I believe we can and should go further if we are talking about placing a program of this nature and a municipality.

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I believe the elected representatives of that municipality should have a voice in that decision as well.

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I would support a House and Senate bill that says, in effect, that before a harm reduction program can be established in a community,

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there must be approval from both the local Board of Health and the local legislative body.

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A new better, that means the Board of Health and the City Council.

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That to me is a reasonable balance, it doesn't say no or never, it doesn't reject harm reduction.

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It says that if we're going to do this, we're going to do it with a people who live and are at the table.

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We should be able to have public discussion and establish expectations.

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And we're going to make sure that the people who are ultimately responsible for the health safety and well-being of this community

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have an opportunity to participate in the decision.

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That is the kind of legislation I could support, but that brings me to the second part of this motion.

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The motion doesn't simply ask us to express concerns about how these programs should be regulated.

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It asks this council to send a letter expressing opposition to any such site being located in the city of New Bethford.

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And it asks our Board of Health to decline the vote on implementation of any site proposed within the city.

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That is where I have a problem.

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So, because my objection is not to harm reduction, my objection is not that I believe we should

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categorically prohibit these programs from ever being considered in New Befford, my objection

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is to the question of how we regulate them, how we implement them, and how we involve

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the community, those are very different positions.

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And because of that distinction, if this motion remains written as an outright letter of

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opposition to any site in New Befford, I would have to vote no.

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Now, because I support the legislation as currently written, not because I think the concerns

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raised by residents should be dismissed, and not because I believe New Bethlehem should

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have no say quite the opposite.

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I am voting no, because I believe we should be advocating for a better version of the legislation

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rather than simply telling the Commonwealth that New Bethlehem is opposed to the concept all

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together.

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There is a difference between saying we don't want this year and saying if this is going

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to be allowed in Massachusetts, here are the protections, safeguards, and local approvals that

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we believe must be in place before it can happen in our community.

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I believe the second position is more responsible and I also want to address the reference

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in the motion to federal law.

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I understand why that language is included and I understand the concern about the conflict

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between state authorization and federal law, but again, that is not the basis for my position

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tonight.

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my position is that Massachusetts needs to establish a clear transparent and locally accountable

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framework for harm reduction programs if the Commonwealth is going to pursue this policy.

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I don't want New Befford's voice to be reduced to a simple yes or no after the fact.

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I want New Befford at the table before the decision is made and frankly, I think that is

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a much stronger position for this Council to take.

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We can support harm reduction in still demand accountability.

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We can acknowledge that overdose prevention saves lives while also insisting that neighborhoods have a voice.

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We can support treatment and recovery while insisting on transparency.

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And we can recognize that a policy may have merit while still saying that the way it is implemented matters.

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That's the position I have consistently tried to take as a counselor.

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So I will support amending this motion to correct the Houseville number and to make sure that we're accurately describing the legislation before us.

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I would also support language that asks our state delegation to pursue legislation requiring

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both board of health approval and approval by the local legislative body before a harm

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reduction program can be established.

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But if the motion ultimately asks me to send a letter saying that I oppose any such

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site in the Befford, I will vote no.

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And if the majority of the council votes differently than I do, I would respectfully request

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that the letter reflect the actual vote of the spotty, specifically I would ask that the letter

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identify the individual counselors who voted in favor of sending that letter, rather than representing

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the letter as though it reflects the unanimous or collective position of the New

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Beper City Council, because I think the people of New Beper deserve to know where each of us

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actually stands. I am perfectly comfortable having my vote attached to my position. I simply

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don't believe that my vote should be represented as something it was not. At the end of

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the day, I think we all agree on one thing. We want fewer people dying from addiction in

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our community, where we may disagree is on the best way to get there. Thank you.

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Thank you, Councillor. Anyone else?

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On a second...

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Thank you, Mr. President. Well, first two votes were 11, nothing. And I don't know what has changed. As far as the

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House bill, I want to thank both of my colleagues. I would expect it to call if you found this

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on the agenda and you thought it was not the wrong house bill. When I looked it up, this is

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but I got out of the bill.

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So I apologize to my colleagues for that.

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I will ask the clerk to make the corrections on that.

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As far as changing the motion from what it is,

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I am not about to do that.

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I'm going with the motion to where it is.

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This council, as I said, voted twice.

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11, nothing.

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Something has changed here, and I understand that,

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and everyone has the opportunity to do that.

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But to both of my colleagues, again, I appreciate you finding out the right bill.

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I'm not going to take it as an insult, but I take it as, I thought we worked together

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that you would call me and tell me something about this.

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And I still question whether I have the right bill or whatever.

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I know what I got when I looked it up.

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And that's what I went with.

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Again, I stand firm.

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I do not want injection sites in the city in New Beverage.

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I want to help those to have the problem.

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I've been addressing the problem for a long time.

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Remember, I'm the guy that's standing here

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that when this problem first came to the city in New

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Buffet and we addressed it, we addressed not only this other

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drugs that were being used in the city and asked for that

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what the city was, what was the city's plan to address this

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issue, have we ever seen a plan?

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At least we have put something forward, not we, at least I know

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that I have something for and we'll talk on the next

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but I would ask my colleagues to follow what is before you.

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We took two votes, 11, nothing.

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I understand we have a new council.

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But I don't understand what happened to the vote from last time.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Councillor.

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So, without objection, the chair, the clerk has updated the bill number to reflect H5274.

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That's correct, Councillor.

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Okay, thank you.

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I have a right here if we can do that for everybody.

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Everybody wants to see what's in the bill before we vote on it.

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So there was a motion to receive in place on file H5274.

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It's been second by Council of Berger when he went on the question of receiving and

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placing on file Bill H5274.

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All those in favor say aye.

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Opposed the I's have it.

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The question before us now is an adoption of the motion and waving rule 40.

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Council would you like to include rule 40 in adoption in the motion 1 vote or which like two separate votes?

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1 vote.

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There was no the the make of the motion wish to amend it. I am allowing it from the chair without a vote.

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Okay, so we're going to take the first vote on adoption of the motion.

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Is that fine counselor and then a second vote to wave rule 40?

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So the motion before us was made to adopt the motion.

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I imagine we'll want to roll a call vote.

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I'll last a clerk to call the world.

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Councillor Andrew.

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Yes.

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Can't speak up, please.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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Yes.

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Can't speak up.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Can't speak up.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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Passes.

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Passes.

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6 to 5.

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Wave-roaf 40.

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Motion-awave-roaf 40, made by councilor Gomes.

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Second.

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Second of by councilor Carny.

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Anyone on the question of waving-roaf 40?

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Well, that's the clerk to call the roll.

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Councilor Avery.

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Yes, councilor T.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Contemporary.

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Yes.

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Contemporary.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Rue 40 passes.

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11, to zero. I'll ask the clerk to read item 15, please.

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Mr. President item 15 is written motion from Council Goams, request not the committee on public safety

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and neighborhoods meet with the Mitchell administration to discuss and provide the committee

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with the comprehensive strategic plan of action to address the homelessness, drug, mental

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health and alcohol related issues affecting downtown and communities throughout the city. And to

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also provide the committee with a report, identifying all city agencies currently involved in addressing

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these issues, including the respective roles, programs, and measurable success rates.

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And further requests that the administration consider a using a portion of the $1.5 million

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received by the city to the opioid lawsuit settlement toward addressing this ongoing crisis,

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which is increasingly impacting public spaces, parks, storefronts, properties, and other

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locations throughout the city.

473
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,180
Further, committee on public safety and neighbourhoods?

474
00:30:53,180 --> 00:30:56,480
Motion or further ahead into the committee on public safety and neighbourhoods made by Council

475
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,260
of Gomes, second of the Council of Berger. Anyone on the question? The chair recognizes

476
00:31:00,260 --> 00:31:01,060
Council of Gomes.

477
00:31:01,700 --> 00:31:06,820
Thank you very much, Mr. President. Many of you are very aware that of what's been

478
00:31:06,820 --> 00:31:10,940
happening, and we've addressed this issue. There's another issue that we've already addressed.

479
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:18,440
If it made some, I feel I've made some great recommendation. First of all, take that 1.5

480
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:24,800
that same money that you received, the same money that this Council was told before you

481
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:31,600
We went and sued when we were saying to go after the company, the companies, the administration

482
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,000
that said, that was a long shot and I was up here, a grand standing.

483
00:31:36,340 --> 00:31:41,260
It's funny the grand stand turned into a two million whatever was given to the city in New

484
00:31:41,260 --> 00:31:41,740
Befford.

485
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:46,940
I understand that the administration has used 500,000 of that, which has gone to different

486
00:31:46,940 --> 00:31:48,240
agencies across the city.

487
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:52,580
I want accountability for where the money is going and how many people are we helping.

488
00:31:52,580 --> 00:31:59,560
You take this 1.5 and put together an operation such as I've put before you and I spoke of before.

489
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:08,420
One stop shop. One stop shop. I can walk into doing and I can turn myself in and look for the help that I need may be drug, alcohol, whatever it is.

490
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:21,420
We can put you in a bed in your own room. We can give you a job within the city. All in one place, but have all those agencies, those agencies that receive all that money, I want them all there.

491
00:32:21,420 --> 00:32:30,020
So you don't have to go back and forth I've said it before you go ABC you get to D in all of a sudden

492
00:32:30,020 --> 00:32:37,320
There's no room in the end. So where do I end up? I end up back in the streets back where I came from I want to see this go away

493
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,300
And I want to see some type of

494
00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:48,500
Program put in place we have a problem throughout this city. It is a very sad situation as far as I'm concerned as public safety chair

495
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:50,520
I see it

496
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:55,440
I see it at daytime and I'm seeing it at night and it's very scary.

497
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,740
It's very scary to see somebody's daughter, somebody's son out there looking like a zombie.

498
00:33:01,340 --> 00:33:03,740
Just looking for that next fix or whatever.

499
00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:08,400
And really, the city hasn't really stepped up the effort to curb this problem.

500
00:33:08,780 --> 00:33:13,240
And if these programs that are across the city are doing with this supposed to be doing,

501
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,780
they are saving some lives.

502
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,320
I need to save more than that and I need to save what's happening on our streets of our city.

503
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:40,440
It's something that I'm not very proud of, you know, when you talk about tourism and you want to run a tour and you see them coming through downtown with a group of people on a tour walk or whatever and then just blocks away I have people that are having the problem. I really have a problem with that and I want to do something about it.

504
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:46,680
received a lot of money. He's got $1.5 million left. Let's invest this money into putting

505
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:52,780
it together a program that can address the issue that's going on. I try to help some of these

506
00:33:52,780 --> 00:33:57,820
people so we don't go on with this program because right now what I feel we're doing in the city

507
00:33:57,820 --> 00:34:01,900
is yes we're helping some people some people are getting to help because they've got some type of

508
00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:06,280
assistance but what we're doing is just closing the door and don't worry about it. Let it go.

509
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,520
Let custom house square be where it is.

510
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:09,900
Let this place be where it is.

511
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,720
You got to hear from these business owners.

512
00:34:12,140 --> 00:34:13,740
You got to hear from these business owners.

513
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,900
How can you have a historical district and look to tourism

514
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:22,620
and have this problem that you're not quite addressing?

515
00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:27,800
That's becoming an epidemic as far as I'm concerned and a crisis in this city.

516
00:34:28,020 --> 00:34:29,180
And it needs to be addressed.

517
00:34:29,860 --> 00:34:31,720
And I can't address the issue alone.

518
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,620
This is a collective effort by a city.

519
00:34:33,620 --> 00:34:37,700
I don't care what's going on in climate wealth of Massachusetts because we'll

520
00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:40,580
hear that happening all over the place, happening, yeah.

521
00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:41,820
We're supposed to be the leadership.

522
00:34:42,260 --> 00:34:44,400
We're supposed to be our own drive.

523
00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:46,300
We set the pace.

524
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,420
If we can put together a good program that helps these people, then we'll invite everybody else

525
00:34:51,420 --> 00:34:54,600
to join in and we'll give them the book on how it's done.

526
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:55,700
That's how I work.

527
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,160
That's what I want to see done.

528
00:34:57,420 --> 00:34:59,260
I'm sick and tired of talking about it.

529
00:34:59,260 --> 00:34:59,960
I'm not going to break.

530
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,020
Please, my voice tonight, as I usually do, I'm not going to do that, but when I am going to say, I want

531
00:35:05,020 --> 00:35:12,180
to address the issue address, and we've got $1.5 million holding somewhere that can address this issue

532
00:35:12,180 --> 00:35:17,260
immediately and help some of these people. Unless that money has been spent somewhere else.

533
00:35:18,940 --> 00:35:26,140
Thank you, Councillor Chaplin, Councillor Baptiste. Thank you, Mr. President. First and foremost, those people are people.

534
00:35:26,140 --> 00:35:31,920
There are families, there are friends, there are uncles and aunts, cousins, sisters, brothers.

535
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,500
There's a mental health issue in our city, right?

536
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,980
So when we talk about an addiction issue in our city, we're having a mental health issue.

537
00:35:40,460 --> 00:35:46,100
And we're having an affordable housing issue in our city as well, that the mayor chooses to ignore.

538
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,020
And I think a bunch of people choose to ignore.

539
00:35:48,380 --> 00:35:52,340
And I know a lot of these services that are going around the city,

540
00:35:52,340 --> 00:36:00,700
They're told not to go for grants now, so that the new health department get all the money for that.

541
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:06,340
And that takes a lot of the services from people that actually boots on the ground, helping people directly.

542
00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:13,180
I think that it's right, we should have a one-stop shop, right, and how long are they going to let it go, right?

543
00:36:15,140 --> 00:36:20,200
But as a representative of downtown, I understand what every business owner says,

544
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:28,060
But like, these people have nowhere to go, and they've lost trust, they've lost hope, and they've lost help, right?

545
00:36:28,140 --> 00:36:34,900
And I think that we have to come together a little bit more and be a little bit more human and thinking about how do we serve people?

546
00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:42,200
How do we talk to people and see what their greatest needs are and make sure that we can get the un-house house and get the on-the-service serve.

547
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,660
I had a young lady that was living down south in that seven months pregnant.

548
00:36:46,660 --> 00:36:56,000
She can't get into her, um, she can't get into her storage until the first of the months, so she has all her stuff outside, seven months pregnant, right?

549
00:36:56,180 --> 00:37:01,480
And she can't get Catholic social services because she don't meet the threshold at seven months pregnant.

550
00:37:01,940 --> 00:37:13,800
You're telling me you can kill a baby of Massachusetts up to nine months, but you can't help a seven month pregnant lady that's trying to help herself, and I think that's absurd that we're not helping people that actually need help.

551
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:19,900
And I'm sorry to say what some people might agree with it.

552
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:28,300
Some people might not agree with it, but the mental health problem that we have due to the substance abuse problems, right?

553
00:37:28,300 --> 00:37:30,420
The substance abuse comes from mental health, right?

554
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,860
And we need to get to the root of the problem and peel back the onion before we just throw people out.

555
00:37:34,940 --> 00:37:41,020
And I think that this 1.5 million will help, but it's only going to put a dent into what we have to do into the city

556
00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:44,320
because we have a bigger problem in this city, right?

557
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,920
And we have to help our people,

558
00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:49,280
because unfortunately there are people

559
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,880
and whether people want to admit it or not,

560
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,460
because they look like us and they just fell on high time.

561
00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:57,200
And not everybody else is an addict.

562
00:37:57,460 --> 00:37:59,060
Some people just fell on high time.

563
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,220
They can't pay their rent, where they're going to go.

564
00:38:01,700 --> 00:38:02,500
They lost their family.

565
00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:06,580
They come out here from long-term substance, help.

566
00:38:06,660 --> 00:38:07,820
And they get in a halfway house.

567
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,960
And they leave the halfway house with nowhere to go.

568
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,200
how do we help these people man? So that's why these services kicking somebody out to

569
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,120
shelter at 7 o'clock in the morning and tell them to find their way until it opens up at

570
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:23,020
5 o'clock without actually giving them the proper services that they need to make sure that they

571
00:38:23,020 --> 00:38:29,700
have a social role in our society, a valuable role in our society. So I yield the flow with that.

572
00:38:29,820 --> 00:38:33,720
I don't want to be going winded, but you know there's a lot of things that go on.

573
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,780
I'm not running for like mayor and I've been so I didn't write nothing down so I don't have

574
00:38:38,780 --> 00:38:44,400
other agendas of the world. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Councilor Chair Reckonist, Councilor

575
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:44,920
Pemberton.

576
00:38:47,740 --> 00:38:52,980
Thank you Mr. President. I'll be quick. I just want to say that I agree with my

577
00:38:52,980 --> 00:38:59,860
colleague from Clare Street and then my colleague in front of me. I don't know the street you've

578
00:38:59,860 --> 00:39:00,380
I'm sorry.

579
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:01,740
Don't look a street.

580
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:09,320
This is something I see on a daily basis every single day.

581
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:11,080
And they're right.

582
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,360
They're not getting help.

583
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:14,720
They're not getting help.

584
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,960
They're, you know, we see them.

585
00:39:17,380 --> 00:39:18,360
They're in one location.

586
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,900
They're told to move to another location.

587
00:39:22,180 --> 00:39:24,100
And then another location.

588
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,620
And then another location.

589
00:39:26,260 --> 00:39:28,560
And it's just a big, big circle.

590
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,880
and there ain't no one helping them.

591
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,180
You know, in the last 10 years,

592
00:39:35,020 --> 00:39:36,160
there had been some grants.

593
00:39:36,580 --> 00:39:39,200
Those grants came up to over $30 million

594
00:39:39,780 --> 00:39:41,460
to help the homeless people.

595
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:49,540
30 million dollars, and I'm not gonna say that it's gonna end it.

596
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,460
But $30 million, the situation is actually worse.

597
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,960
So we need to find help, we need to get help with this.

598
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:06,260
Thank you, people. Fast. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Anyone else?

599
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,420
On their first. Anyone on their second? Chair of his Councilor Combs.

600
00:40:13,460 --> 00:40:20,340
Thank you very much. I'll be very brief. Yes, we have people that have mental disabilities in this city.

601
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:28,940
But what I've been trying to say here is I'm glad Council from the North End brought the issue up of how much money has been spent.

602
00:40:28,940 --> 00:40:36,080
30 million dollars if that is a right figure, what is going on here and where is the

603
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:44,820
record of achievement here? I still have the problem. I have a problem with it. Just take

604
00:40:44,820 --> 00:40:50,120
a, when we leave tonight, I invite my colleagues to take a walk through downtown with me. I want

605
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,380
to walk you by the ziterion so you can look at that beautiful ziterion and all them beautiful

606
00:40:54,380 --> 00:40:56,840
lights and what's coming to attractions.

607
00:40:57,260 --> 00:40:58,820
And I want to take you to the next block.

608
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,240
The same people that I'm hearing from that living

609
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:04,060
over Olympia building downtown.

610
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,380
I want you to see what that block looks like from there

611
00:41:07,380 --> 00:41:11,160
to the next block where the vet's hall is, in between,

612
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,620
it's hot wrenching.

613
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:15,260
It's hot wrenching.

614
00:41:16,260 --> 00:41:18,460
Come with me for the walk, gentlemen, and ladies,

615
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:19,880
come with me for the walk.

616
00:41:20,460 --> 00:41:22,120
Get a look at the salvation I'm building

617
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,700
and what it looks like at night.

618
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,620
People smoking crack.

619
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,440
People laid out.

620
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,740
People laid out in between the churches

621
00:41:30,740 --> 00:41:33,140
on the school street side.

622
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,080
One, not even.

623
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,800
One block from this criterion.

624
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,480
So if I miss the corner at school street

625
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,800
and I go one more street down at Walnut

626
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,880
and take that right and come up to head towards this criterion,

627
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,340
again, it's hot wrenching.

628
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,460
That somebody's got it, that somebody's son,

629
00:41:51,460 --> 00:41:54,040
that somebody's father, I understand all of that.

630
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,620
And I also understand about losing a loved one

631
00:41:56,620 --> 00:41:57,500
because of drugs.

632
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,440
I've been in the same situation,

633
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,960
but we have to do something about it.

634
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,040
And just going at the pace that we've been going,

635
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,560
I don't see anything being achieved.

636
00:42:09,780 --> 00:42:14,960
And I don't see the help going to these people

637
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,220
that need you.

638
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,240
And I'm not going to take this all

639
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:19,900
as these are all our people.

640
00:42:20,060 --> 00:42:21,820
Yes, we have people that are out there,

641
00:42:21,820 --> 00:42:32,000
But please take a look, somebody's people are not from the area, they've came to the area because they found an area where it's tolerated or put up with.

642
00:42:32,380 --> 00:42:38,820
Again, these people need help. All I want to do is help them, and I want to put a good program together that achieves that.

643
00:42:39,420 --> 00:42:45,800
Not that it becomes money makers. You know, we have programs out there that just money makers, money makers.

644
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,420
You want to see somebody get a new life, get a rebirth in their life, get a second chance

645
00:42:51,420 --> 00:42:52,700
at being somebody.

646
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:55,080
I thank you for the opportunity.

647
00:42:56,580 --> 00:42:57,160
Thank you, Councillor.

648
00:43:00,380 --> 00:43:01,720
Anyone else on the question?

649
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,920
On referral to the Committee on Public Safety and Neighborhoods, all those in favor say aye?

650
00:43:08,740 --> 00:43:09,180
Opposed.

651
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:10,240
The aye's have it.

652
00:43:10,420 --> 00:43:12,440
I will ask the clerk to read item 16, please.

653
00:43:13,140 --> 00:43:16,020
Mr. President item 16 is a written motion from Councillor Gomes.

654
00:43:16,020 --> 00:43:20,100
We request that the Mitchell Administration provide the committee on city property, the

655
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:24,740
comprehensive plan of action for the self-terminal, formally utilizes a vineyard wind

656
00:43:24,740 --> 00:43:29,580
staging area and further if no current plan exists, the administration provided time

657
00:43:29,580 --> 00:43:34,220
line for a focused effort and strategic plan will be developed to utilize this area for job

658
00:43:34,220 --> 00:43:37,840
creation, economic development, and increased revenue for the city.

659
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:39,640
Refer to the committee on property.

660
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:45,040
Refer to the committee on city property made by Council of Gomes, seconded by Council of Oliver,

661
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,700
on the question the chair recognizes Councilor Gomes.

662
00:43:47,980 --> 00:43:52,440
Thank you very much Mr. President, another issue that I addressed some time ago.

663
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:58,480
Made a fact it might be a year and nine months before the vineyard wind and all the wind

664
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,480
turbines and everything started committing because I wanted to know we spent a hundred million

665
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:07,660
dollars of taxpayer's money and we had a walk down there sitting doing absolutely nothing.

666
00:44:07,660 --> 00:44:16,320
Well, since the vineyard wind and the wind energy thing is all done for the time being, we have that lot again.

667
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,760
Why it open? Nothing happening down there.

668
00:44:20,020 --> 00:44:21,660
We brought the Portuguese ship in now.

669
00:44:21,860 --> 00:44:25,960
And at first I questioned that because I thought it was inappropriate for it to be put there.

670
00:44:26,140 --> 00:44:30,020
I thought it would be appropriate to have it downtown where everyone could see it,

671
00:44:30,060 --> 00:44:36,940
but then I understood with the amount of people and how they tried to how they orchestrated everything that doubt was suitable for the moment.

672
00:44:36,940 --> 00:44:38,640
We have a little cruise boat down there.

673
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,180
We have nothing going on down there.

674
00:44:40,220 --> 00:44:42,860
I don't care if we receive oranges down there.

675
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,060
I don't care if we ship cars out of there.

676
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,480
We've got to do something to generate jobs here,

677
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,100
and to get back the money that has been spent down there.

678
00:44:51,540 --> 00:44:54,160
And I'm not going to wait another couple of years,

679
00:44:54,460 --> 00:44:57,840
or three years to see what is generated down there,

680
00:44:58,180 --> 00:44:59,960
with the wind if that comes back or not.

681
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,220
I want to see some action now, the brings jobs to the city of New Buffet, some type of revenue, and that's why

682
00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:09,680
this motion is here. As I said this is the second time. The first time I had this motion on,

683
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:15,180
nobody said a dying word. I'm talking about my body here. I'm talking about the administration,

684
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:20,440
but soon after, it came all the wind stuff. I don't know where it was just coincidental,

685
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:25,340
but I'm going to make the move again. So, let's see what we can ship out of here. Let's see what kind of work

686
00:45:25,340 --> 00:45:29,120
we can bring for the longshoremen and many of those on the waterfront. Thank you.

687
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,440
Thank you, Councillor. Anyone else on the question?

688
00:45:34,220 --> 00:45:39,460
Okay. The question is on referral to the committee on city property. All those in favour say aye.

689
00:45:40,620 --> 00:45:43,060
Opposed. The is have it. I will ask the clerk to read item 17.

690
00:45:43,740 --> 00:45:47,160
Mr. President item 17 is communication from the city clerk to the city council.

691
00:45:47,340 --> 00:45:50,300
It's me a petition from Mark DeCamber of summer set Massachusetts.

692
00:45:50,980 --> 00:45:56,160
Doing business as side quests complete at 127 West Rodney French Boulevard in New Bedford.

693
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:01,520
requesting a waiver of residents in accordance with section 15-38 of the city code to obtain

694
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,080
license to deal in junk, old metals, or any other second-hand articles.

695
00:46:06,260 --> 00:46:11,080
Before we make a motion to chair, we're just like to inform the body that this is already an

696
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:16,660
existing business and is just coming to have this license. I just wanted the body to know

697
00:46:16,660 --> 00:46:20,940
it's a new owner, excuse me, so it's an existing business with a new owner, so a transfer.

698
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,520
I just wanted the body to make that a way before any motions were made.

699
00:46:29,260 --> 00:46:33,720
Okay, motion or a further special, the committee and special permits in licensure made by

700
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:36,960
Councillor Avery, seconded by Councillor Carny, anyone on the question?

701
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:43,500
All those in favor say aye, oppose the aye's have at the last clerk to read item number

702
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:44,240
18.

703
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,140
Mr. President, 18 is communication from the city clerk to the city council, submit a request to

704
00:46:49,140 --> 00:46:54,300
increase fees for dog licens violations, second hand dealers in various city council licenses.

705
00:46:56,540 --> 00:47:03,060
Motion referred to the committee on onences made by Councillor Bergau, second by Councillor Oliver, anyone on the question?

706
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,020
All those in favor say aye.

707
00:47:05,540 --> 00:47:06,020
Opposed.

708
00:47:06,180 --> 00:47:06,660
The aye's have it.

709
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,800
I will ask the quick to read item number 19.

710
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,800
The spirit of item 19 is communication with the Department of Parks, Recreation and Beaches,

711
00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:17,840
Committee of Memorial Park, Bench and Treated Education Program, Application for Abention

712
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:18,240
Placts.

713
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:19,480
We located at Fort Tabor.

714
00:47:19,580 --> 00:47:21,060
We're placing an existing bench.

715
00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:23,260
The member of Arthur C. Burton Jr.

716
00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:27,180
The motion to refer to memorials and dedications.

717
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,920
Motion to refer to memorials and dedications made by Council of Appities seconded by Council

718
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:32,660
of Carnie.

719
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:33,880
Anyone on the question?

720
00:47:34,420 --> 00:47:35,800
All those in favor say aye.

721
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,140
Opposed the aye.

722
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,240
Sabot, I will ask the clerk to read that in number 20.

723
00:47:39,580 --> 00:47:43,040
Mr. President, item 20 is a communication from the Department of Parks, Recreation and

724
00:47:43,460 --> 00:47:43,860
Beaches.

725
00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:48,220
It's a minimum memorial park bench and tree dedication program application for a bench

726
00:47:48,220 --> 00:47:52,540
in plaque to be located at the corner of Butwood Street and Lake Street to the right of

727
00:47:52,540 --> 00:47:56,780
Italian, American Memorial, and Memorial, and Memory of Carl Nathos.

728
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:57,920
Same course of action.

729
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,660
Second, motions made to refer to the committee on memorials and dedications by Council

730
00:48:02,660 --> 00:48:07,260
of Baptists, seconded by Councilor Lopes, and anyone on the question, all those in favor

731
00:48:07,260 --> 00:48:08,460
on referral say aye.

732
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:09,740
Opposed.

733
00:48:09,940 --> 00:48:10,120
The aye.

734
00:48:10,180 --> 00:48:10,560
To have it.

735
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,280
I will ask the clerk to read item 21.

736
00:48:13,060 --> 00:48:13,400
Mr. President.

737
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:18,140
Item 21 is a communication from Council of Bergo, submitting signed petitions from residents

738
00:48:18,140 --> 00:48:21,260
opposed in the closure of fire station number nine in New Bedford.

739
00:48:21,260 --> 00:48:30,840
Motion received in place on file and forward the attached appropriation orders to the mayor requesting that he submit set of appropriations to the city council for approval.

740
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:44,140
Motion to receive in place on file, though communication and forward the attached sample appropriation orders to the Mitchell administration, asking him to submit them to the council.

741
00:48:44,140 --> 00:48:48,480
been made by Council of Bergo, seconded by Council of Shoke. On the question, the chair

742
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:49,740
recognizes Council of Bergo.

743
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:56,600
Thank you, Mr. President. So we got some more

744
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:02,380
partitions from residents who recognize that public safety is not something we should

745
00:49:02,380 --> 00:49:10,500
gamble with. We saw in the last budget that the mayor was laying off 26 firefighters during

746
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:19,100
that budget hearing, we were told that the cost savings for eliminating those 26 firefighters

747
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:27,680
was 1.8 million and that breakdown was for 1.5 million and fire personnel services for

748
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:34,700
those 26 firefighters and $300,000 for the health insurance associated with those laid off

749
00:49:34,700 --> 00:49:41,700
firefighters. That is what the $1.8 million equates to. We know after the fact our state

750
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:50,260
delegation led by Senator Mark Martigny came through with an additional $500,000, which to

751
00:49:50,260 --> 00:49:58,860
my understanding would help out with $500,000 of those personal services. Since then, I've reached

752
00:49:58,860 --> 00:49:59,960
out to our...

753
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:08,320
Or CFO's office, inquiring specific numbers on what we would need to keep fire station

754
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:13,740
I'd open. I would assume that would just mean $1 million for fire personal services, and

755
00:50:13,740 --> 00:50:18,860
$300,000 for health insurance. Since we received that $500,000 from Senator Mark Montigny.

756
00:50:19,740 --> 00:50:25,520
As our colleagues are aware, Mr. President, this council did the hard work of freeing up space

757
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:32,420
in this bloated budget and there is money there to save fire station 9. I know there's

758
00:50:32,420 --> 00:50:36,180
a lot of ambiguity there because Mayor Mitchell hasn't said much. He hasn't even told our

759
00:50:36,180 --> 00:50:42,920
fire chief when fire station 9 is officially closing and I think that's shameful. We have 26

760
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:53,880
firefighters who have families to feed. They have no clue when or if they're going to be out of

761
00:50:53,880 --> 00:51:00,500
administration can't get the job done, and they've said to us before that we don't need

762
00:51:00,500 --> 00:51:06,800
to say, Mother May I, I've put together these appropriation orders for the Mitchell administration,

763
00:51:07,020 --> 00:51:11,300
so he doesn't have to do it. So Sir Jake has such a hard job over there, which why didn't

764
00:51:11,300 --> 00:51:15,620
wear a tie tonight. He's relaxing and chilling, so he doesn't have to worry about putting together

765
00:51:15,620 --> 00:51:19,300
this appropriation order, same thing with the CFO's office, since he'll be retiring soon.

766
00:51:23,220 --> 00:51:23,660
Well

767
00:51:23,660 --> 00:51:31,280
My colleagues will support this. I've you've all received a copy. The clerk has received a copy of a set appropriation on her again

768
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:36,900
$1 million for fire personnel services and $300,000 for their health insurance

769
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,700
That will keep fire station nine open

770
00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:46,400
There should be no argument here send this to the mayor's office and if he'd like to just for his cute little bow

771
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,620
He can send it back down to us in the mayor's papers done deal

772
00:51:49,620 --> 00:51:52,760
Keep fire station, I know open. Thank you.

773
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:53,680
Thank you, Councillor.

774
00:51:54,860 --> 00:51:56,080
Chair, Councillor Schoka.

775
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:58,740
Good evening, Mr. President.

776
00:51:59,180 --> 00:52:00,760
Thank you.

777
00:52:00,780 --> 00:52:03,660
Thank you to all the people that are here tonight for different reasons.

778
00:52:04,140 --> 00:52:05,000
But we're all here.

779
00:52:06,380 --> 00:52:12,520
I'd like to say thank you to Councillor Bergo for doing all the hard work ahead of time.

780
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,340
Myself, I've also been inquiring with the administration,

781
00:52:16,340 --> 00:52:22,680
and what's going on. Senator Montigny's $500,000 gift is not going to last forever.

782
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:30,280
And, you know, firemen don't work for free. So, I say we get about two months left

783
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:37,480
until this money's gone. So, Mr. Mayor, if you're watching this, get to work

784
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:44,660
and get this done and stop gambling with the lives of the people in my community

785
00:52:44,660 --> 00:52:51,580
and in this city. Enough enough. Now let's go. Thank you.

786
00:52:51,580 --> 00:52:53,700
Thank you, Councillor. Anyone else?

787
00:52:56,350 --> 00:52:59,050
Okay. Seeing none. The question

788
00:52:59,050 --> 00:53:03,070
of forces on receiving and placing on file and referring the attached

789
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:07,090
appropriation orders to the Mitchell administration. Anyone

790
00:53:07,090 --> 00:53:10,970
all those in favor say? Can we roll call? Roll call vote has been

791
00:53:10,970 --> 00:53:13,050
requested. I'll ask the clerk to call the roll.

792
00:53:14,550 --> 00:53:15,150
Constraibly.

793
00:53:15,890 --> 00:53:16,110
Yes.

794
00:53:16,350 --> 00:53:16,510
Constraibly.

795
00:53:17,090 --> 00:53:17,250
Yes.

796
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:18,970
Yes.

797
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:20,110
Yes.

798
00:53:20,570 --> 00:53:20,730
Yes.

799
00:53:21,210 --> 00:53:21,410
Yes.

800
00:53:22,490 --> 00:53:22,770
Yes.

801
00:53:23,150 --> 00:53:23,310
Yes.

802
00:53:24,410 --> 00:53:24,650
Yes.

803
00:53:25,290 --> 00:53:25,410
Yes.

804
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:25,710
Yes.

805
00:53:26,010 --> 00:53:26,230
Yes.

806
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:26,310
Yes.

807
00:53:26,970 --> 00:53:27,570
Yes.

808
00:53:28,590 --> 00:53:29,190
Yes.

809
00:53:35,850 --> 00:53:38,350
Item passes 11 to 0.

810
00:53:38,810 --> 00:53:41,410
I will ask the clerk to read item number 22.

811
00:53:42,110 --> 00:53:42,550
Mr. President.

812
00:53:42,550 --> 00:53:52,630
Item 22 is a communication from Council Gomes, submitting a response from Representative Cabral regarding efforts to secure additional funding to address the budget gap facing the city of New Bedford.

813
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:55,700
Second.

814
00:53:56,020 --> 00:53:58,420
Motion received and placed on file made by Councillor Roy.

815
00:53:58,720 --> 00:53:59,980
Seconded by Councillor Gomes.

816
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,900
On the question to chair, Councillor Gomes.

817
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:04,700
Thank you, Mr. President.

818
00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:15,520
This is a response to our motion asking our state delegation to assist us in some way, somehow with a 32 million dollar deficit that the city in New Buffet has.

819
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:22,800
What I will say to you is I've had calls from the Inspector General and I just want to bring my colleagues up to power on what's happening.

820
00:54:23,460 --> 00:54:32,760
What I really believe is the Inspector General has gotten a call from a higher archi through somewhere, because they give me a high time.

821
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,820
You had 11, nothing vote here on the city council, but for a lot of to be sent to his

822
00:54:37,820 --> 00:54:41,860
Spectra General to find out exactly where the 32 million dollars is.

823
00:54:42,260 --> 00:54:47,860
I believe that's something's wrong here in this city, and we don't go from 8 million, as I said,

824
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:53,340
to 8 million good, 12 million, 20 million, the next thing you know, with 32 million dollars in a

825
00:54:53,340 --> 00:54:56,160
hole, and nobody's got an explanation for it.

826
00:54:56,380 --> 00:54:58,480
Nobody is accountable for it.

827
00:54:58,740 --> 00:54:59,960
We don't make big mistakes.

828
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:11,600
It's like that. At least where I come from. Maybe in this room, you can just accept that. I'm not accepting that, especially when I see what I see going on throughout the city.

829
00:55:12,060 --> 00:55:21,700
And I don't care. You've got to pay attention. You're seeing a lot of work being done. And I'm wondering how much money was in the budget for this. How much money came in a grant?

830
00:55:21,980 --> 00:55:29,220
Where did the money come from? Where did the money get spent? Where's the accountability for 32 million dollars that you're fighting here tonight?

831
00:55:29,220 --> 00:55:35,840
As the Council just previously stood up, speaking of Station 9, Station 9 was stay open.

832
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:38,080
He is not going to close Station 9.

833
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:39,420
He's done this before.

834
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,400
This time, it's not going to work because we're not going to let that happen.

835
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,880
And I believe that we have a strong enough body here to make sure that that doesn't happen.

836
00:55:48,180 --> 00:55:49,860
That Station 9 is seeing open.

837
00:55:50,260 --> 00:55:52,780
That area is two important and part of this city.

838
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:57,520
When I have seen in the past few weeks, just with some of the situations that have risen

839
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:03,380
in that area. Some of the action calls or whatever for that engine. You don't want to play

840
00:56:03,380 --> 00:56:07,140
with it. You don't want to play it. You're playing life and death here. And I've said it

841
00:56:07,140 --> 00:56:12,600
before. You're playing jeopardy with people of the North End, this entire city. We want

842
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,480
to find out. So I wanted to bring you up to date on that day. I'm having a high time when

843
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:22,960
we've even given them names of prominent the pop heads that were part of this city. And

844
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,060
they don't want to talk to them. So I don't think I can figure and you heard we say it here

845
00:56:27,060 --> 00:56:31,320
Tonight, the call was made to my friend, not my friend,

846
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,280
Governor Healey, Governor Healey,

847
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:34,940
made the call down the line.

848
00:56:35,340 --> 00:56:36,580
We're not inspecting anything.

849
00:56:37,140 --> 00:56:38,100
I'm not going to quit.

850
00:56:38,460 --> 00:56:39,240
I'm not going to quit.

851
00:56:39,260 --> 00:56:42,740
We're going to find out when we how this all happened.

852
00:56:43,140 --> 00:56:46,360
But at this time, I want to do everything in my power

853
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,400
to make sure that the city continues to work

854
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,860
and continues to provide services like police,

855
00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:53,780
fire, city services, and schools.

856
00:56:53,780 --> 00:56:59,900
You understand that the people of the city should not be chart-changed in any way. Please follow me.

857
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:06,520
Thank you, Councillor. Anyone else on their first? Anyone on their second?

858
00:57:07,540 --> 00:57:10,100
All those in favor of receiving and placing on file say aye.

859
00:57:10,620 --> 00:57:11,900
Opposed the Isabba.

860
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:17,500
I will ask the clerk to read without objection items 23 and 24 together.

861
00:57:19,060 --> 00:57:20,460
I thought objection will ask the clerk to read.

862
00:57:20,460 --> 00:57:24,340
Mr. President, I am 23 this communication from Mason T. Matthew S. Squire,

863
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,680
Tax Title Attorney to the City Council regarding the acquisition of a new

864
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,900
deed in lieu, advising that the city has acquired through voluntary deed in lieu of

865
00:57:32,900 --> 00:57:36,520
tax foreclosures on the following properties. In S. Welsh Street,

866
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:42,600
plot 84, a lot 178, and of Whole Book Street, also known as RWS Krishna Avenue,

867
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:49,040
PLOT 134, PLOT 388, and SS-9 Street, PLOT 98, PLOT 224.

868
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:53,220
Item 24 is communication from attorney Matthew again.

869
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,940
We're going to notice a decree of final judgment of the right of redemption in tax

870
00:57:56,940 --> 00:57:58,320
lien for closure cases.

871
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,460
The following properties have been acquired and held by the City of New Bedford as a tax

872
00:58:02,460 --> 00:58:02,940
possession.

873
00:58:03,660 --> 00:58:12,080
E.S. Church Street, PLOT 127A, PLOT 66, incorporating PLOT 67, and S. Lowell Street, PLOT 127C,

874
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,060
at 14, SS Pembroke Street,

875
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:20,180
plot 134, plus 272, 273, 274, and 275,

876
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,400
and SS Whitman Street, plot 155, lock 35.

877
00:58:28,830 --> 00:58:30,110
Colors, the motion would be to refer

878
00:58:30,110 --> 00:58:31,710
in place on file these communications.

879
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:35,270
So moved, made by Councillor Gomes, seconded by Councillor Roy,

880
00:58:35,410 --> 00:58:36,330
anyone on the question?

881
00:58:37,310 --> 00:58:38,610
All those in favor say aye.

882
00:58:38,610 --> 00:58:38,870
Aye.

883
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:41,730
Opposed, the eyes have it.

884
00:58:42,190 --> 00:58:44,090
Before we take up consent, there are table items.

885
00:58:44,290 --> 00:58:45,130
Would anyone like to be removed?

886
00:58:45,130 --> 00:58:51,130
I don't know from the table. Motion to remove table the items dated 0 8 to 0 2 0 2 6.

887
00:58:52,610 --> 00:58:57,270
All four of them are. Motion to remove from the table. All four table items made by

888
00:58:57,270 --> 00:59:03,470
Council of Bergo, second of by Council of Roy. Anyone on the question? All those in favor say aye.

889
00:59:04,250 --> 00:59:08,290
Opposed the ice have it. I will ask the clerk to read the first on table item.

890
00:59:08,290 --> 00:59:12,870
Mr. President, for his item is a written motion from Councilor Gomes, request of the committee

891
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:17,650
on public safety in neighborhoods, immediately meet with police chief Jason Filty, a representative

892
00:59:17,650 --> 00:59:20,450
from the mayor's office, and a representative from Flock Safety.

893
00:59:20,970 --> 00:59:25,330
This meeting is to bring all parties together for the purpose of enhancing policies and procedures

894
00:59:25,970 --> 00:59:28,770
and strengthening community trust around using these cameras.

895
00:59:29,390 --> 00:59:34,170
The policy is transparent with every search being logged in additional safeguards in place.

896
00:59:34,170 --> 00:59:38,650
not only to protect the civil rights of the citizens, but for the police department as well.

897
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,360
Motioner refer to the Committee on Public Safety and Abelhoads, made by Councillor Gomes,

898
00:59:45,540 --> 00:59:49,680
second by Councillor Bergo, on the question that you are back in Councillor Gomes.

899
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,660
Thank you very much, Mr. President.

900
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:57,160
Let me make it clear if I had the opportunity to finish the evening.

901
00:59:58,340 --> 00:59:59,940
I think it would have been clear to most in here.

902
01:00:00,780 --> 01:00:07,700
I have your concerns. I have your concerns. You have concerns about these cameras. I have concerns about them.

903
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:13,260
And that's why I placed this motion on. That's why I wanted it to go to committee. I wanted to have the chief in.

904
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:19,200
We have the people from flock. We're going to discuss what's in place, what's not in place, what hasn't been in place.

905
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:26,020
These cameras have been in use for almost two years, almost two years. Some of us did not know about it.

906
01:00:26,820 --> 01:00:34,000
criticize us for how we did the budget. I stand by what I did. I didn't understand, I

907
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,680
did not understand the way it was worth it. It was a simple adding on to the system that

908
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:43,920
we already have as far as I'm concerned. But as far as he's what cameras are concerned and

909
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:48,660
the misuse of them, we have to get a hand on it. And if I had gotten to finish the other

910
01:00:48,660 --> 01:00:54,160
night, I'm happy that the chief suspended the cameras at this time. It should be suspended

911
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:59,280
and until we get all the answers that we need to address this issue, this issue is one that

912
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:03,660
has come to fruition, not only here in the city in New Beffitt, across the Commonwealth,

913
01:01:03,900 --> 01:01:08,240
across the country on what is happening with these cameras. I don't want to see anybody's rights

914
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:13,420
violated in any way, but I am also not about to throw the tools away that can make our community

915
01:01:13,420 --> 01:01:19,600
safer. And if we can make our community safer with strategic guidelines, some of what people

916
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,420
who are accountable, you have to go through certain avenues

917
01:01:22,420 --> 01:01:25,400
in order to get to use this system.

918
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,520
I was in a way, and I believe many of us were not aware

919
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,220
that this system could just be used randomly.

920
01:01:32,220 --> 01:01:34,380
We just heard of a new story today.

921
01:01:34,780 --> 01:01:37,120
7,700, something time.

922
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:38,580
One office to use in this.

923
01:01:38,740 --> 01:01:44,140
On the same person, putting in different titles

924
01:01:44,140 --> 01:01:48,180
or whatever, drug investigation, suspicious activity.

925
01:01:48,180 --> 01:02:18,160
This can't go on and I understand what the people here, the people that I represent, but I know I represent a hundred thousand people and I know that, you know, since there's a nine, I've been across the city from sassiquin down there and it's very interesting, but what I'm hearing is very interesting, you have people that have the concerns and you have people who support this and they support this with the proper policies and procedures put in place to see that this does not happen or no one's rights is violated in any way.

926
01:02:18,180 --> 01:02:21,800
And that's what I'm going to follow, that's what I'm going to try to do.

927
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:26,840
We've already got a meeting scheduled for September 9th, ladies and gentlemen, on this

928
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:31,900
issue, which I took a previous agenda away, so that this issue can be addressed so that

929
01:02:31,900 --> 01:02:35,680
people of the city can get answers, and we can get the answers that we need.

930
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:41,360
There's a lot to learn, I'm learning this about these cameras and what they can do, what

931
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:42,200
they can't do.

932
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,700
I want to make sure that the people of this city are protected, your civil rights are protected,

933
01:02:46,700 --> 01:02:50,080
But again, I'm not going to throw the tools away

934
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:51,700
that can make a safer community.

935
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,180
And I must ask everyone here this evening.

936
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,460
God forbid something very bad happened in any house

937
01:02:58,460 --> 01:02:59,440
across this city.

938
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,860
And these cameras could help to get the suspect.

939
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:04,900
Do you want to use them?

940
01:03:06,220 --> 01:03:07,780
Do you want to use your neighbor's cameras?

941
01:03:08,380 --> 01:03:09,880
Do you want to use those city cameras

942
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,060
that are all over this city to capture that suspect

943
01:03:13,060 --> 01:03:14,180
or that criminal?

944
01:03:14,180 --> 01:03:17,640
I do, and I think most people do.

945
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,720
So if my colleagues see fit, I want to refer this to committee.

946
01:03:23,620 --> 01:03:25,680
Again, this action wasn't completed.

947
01:03:26,020 --> 01:03:28,640
This action was on behalf of the people to get the answers.

948
01:03:29,220 --> 01:03:33,200
To understand how this all works, and to understand that we do not.

949
01:03:33,260 --> 01:03:38,220
We do not want to play with any type of technology that violates the civil rights,

950
01:03:38,220 --> 01:03:43,360
or the well-being of a city and its people, and also puts my police department up, police

951
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:47,920
department, the city and new benefits, police department, and any type of jeopardy in any

952
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:48,340
situation.

953
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:49,560
Thank you for the opportunity.

954
01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:52,180
Thank you, Councillor.

955
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:53,880
Anyone else on the question?

956
01:03:56,860 --> 01:03:56,960
Okay.

957
01:03:57,500 --> 01:04:01,300
Seeing none, the question before us is, now is referral to public safety.

958
01:04:01,300 --> 01:04:04,220
And Rulco. Rulco vote has been requested.

959
01:04:07,780 --> 01:04:08,980
Constraibre, yes.

960
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:09,480
Constraibre.

961
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:11,000
Yes.

962
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:13,480
Constra-Carny.

963
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:14,400
Yes.

964
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:15,540
Constra-Carny.

965
01:04:15,540 --> 01:04:15,840
Yes.

966
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:16,360
Yes.

967
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:16,380
Yes.

968
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:18,600
Yes.

969
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:19,300
Yes.

970
01:04:20,500 --> 01:04:20,580
Constra-Carny.

971
01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:21,500
Yes.

972
01:04:21,860 --> 01:04:22,100
Constra-Carny.

973
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:22,680
Yes.

974
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,480
Item passes 11-0.

975
01:04:30,380 --> 01:04:32,740
I will ask the clerk to read the second table of item.

976
01:04:32,740 --> 01:04:39,820
This President, second table item, is a written motion from Council's Bergo, Lowe's in A-Brew,

977
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,020
requesting that the Committee on Public Safety and Neighborhood's meet with representatives

978
01:04:43,020 --> 01:04:47,800
of the Mbiffin Police Department, the City's solicitor, the Information Technology Department,

979
01:04:47,980 --> 01:04:52,860
in any other department officials to discuss the cities use of law enforcement surveillance

980
01:04:52,860 --> 01:04:57,120
technologies, including but not limited to automated license plate reader systems,

981
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,960
Flock safety cameras, public safety cam...

982
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:15,320
Government networks and any other technologies capable of collecting or retaining data on the movement of vehicles or individuals, and further that the committee review the city's policies governing the collection, retention, sharing, security, and deletion of data generated by such technologies.

983
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:21,180
The circumstances under which such data may be accessed or shared with outside law enforcement agencies.

984
01:05:21,180 --> 01:05:26,040
The safeguards in place to protect residents is constitutional, constitutional rights and privacy,

985
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,620
and whether additional local policies or ordinances are warranted to promote transparency,

986
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:36,940
accountability, and public confidence while preserving the legitimate public safety benefits these technologies provide.

987
01:05:37,620 --> 01:05:39,780
Motion to refer to the committee on public safety neighbourhoods.

988
01:05:41,900 --> 01:05:46,480
Motion has been made to refer to the committee on public safety and neighbourhoods by Council of Bergo second.

989
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:50,040
I missed that. I apologize. Council of Gomes on the question.

990
01:05:57,190 --> 01:05:58,490
Seeing no one on the question,

991
01:05:58,750 --> 01:06:02,610
all those in favor say aye. Oh, roll. Roll call has been requested.

992
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:13,200
Councillor Abrew. Yes. Councillor Apteest. Yes. Councillor Berigo. Yes. Yes. Councillor Carni. Yes.

993
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:20,460
Yes. Councillor Schoke. Yes. Councillor Gomes. Yes. Yes. Councillor Lopes. Yes. Councillor Oliver. Yes.

994
01:06:20,460 --> 01:06:27,120
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, come to Roy. Yes, yes, passes.

995
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,560
I forgot my microphone was on passes 11 to see them.

996
01:06:30,700 --> 01:06:31,480
Let's get myself there.

997
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:32,040
Call the heart.

998
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,220
I will ask the clerk to read the next table then.

999
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,040
Mr. President of the Third Table Item is written motion.

1000
01:06:38,180 --> 01:06:40,220
Council's burgo Abram and Lopes.

1001
01:06:40,420 --> 01:06:45,560
Request in the committee on ordinances, consider whether the appropriate policy outcome is either

1002
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:49,580
the complete removal and abolition of automated license plate reader systems and other

1003
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,200
moléculin PDM bangles.

1004
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,860
Law Minister I will make sure you

1005
01:06:56,860 --> 01:07:01,540
offer the committee on ordinances?

1006
01:07:01,740 --> 01:07:04,540
Motion to refer to the committee on ordinances made by

1007
01:07:04,540 --> 01:07:07,870
council Bargo to earn the chair chair.

1008
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:09,360
Barack Council Ernesto Bergk?

1009
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:14,420
Thank you so obviously we know what we've

1010
01:07:14,420 --> 01:07:16,340
had told listening to what it

1011
01:07:16,340 --> 01:07:18,700
got the use from New Beatford has been

1012
01:07:18,700 --> 01:07:25,260
suspended, a part of the questions that I think will have in the other committee is about whether

1013
01:07:25,260 --> 01:07:34,800
or not other agencies are utilizing our technology still. I will be very clear. I am for

1014
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:42,860
terminating usage of automatic license plate readers. I think what's important though, beyond

1015
01:07:42,860 --> 01:07:48,580
just suspension of the technologies that we don't, just because it's suspended is not

1016
01:07:48,580 --> 01:07:52,640
mean that they're not still active and that other agencies may still be using them.

1017
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:58,300
I have this already planned on our, as you know, I'm the chairman of ordinances and this

1018
01:07:58,300 --> 01:08:03,980
is set to be heard on our September 8th ordinance agenda. I'm hoping that we can act on this

1019
01:08:03,980 --> 01:08:10,220
soon. I had outlined in a community meeting yesterday that even if things go well, we all

1020
01:08:10,220 --> 01:08:16,580
that the process or drafted ordinance ordinance often takes time and even if everything goes

1021
01:08:16,580 --> 01:08:23,480
well on September 8th, and we refer something out, we expect a veto from the Mitchell administration.

1022
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:29,200
And therefore, if we follow the process of a veto from the Mitchell administration, the earliest

1023
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:33,580
that we could potentially see a veto override is probably not till the end of November,

1024
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:38,980
which is why there is a sense of urgency of getting this into the ordinance committee.

1025
01:08:38,980 --> 01:08:59,460
So, that is my intention. I want to be very clear that when we get into the committee on ordinance on September 8th I am drafting ordinance currently that I hope our legislative council will review and that my colleagues will review to completely terminate not only the contract but any continued use of this type of technology. Thank you.

1026
01:08:59,460 --> 01:09:00,420
Thank you, Councillor.

1027
01:09:02,740 --> 01:09:04,020
Chair Reckon, Councillor Roy.

1028
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:07,330
Thank you, Mr. President.

1029
01:09:08,970 --> 01:09:09,590
Round two.

1030
01:09:12,020 --> 01:09:15,000
The community is rightfully outraged, Mr. President,

1031
01:09:15,260 --> 01:09:16,880
and that outrage is justified,

1032
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,900
because the harm, mass surveillance technology,

1033
01:09:20,260 --> 01:09:21,260
causes is clear.

1034
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,900
Flock must come down right now.

1035
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:29,360
Mayor Mitchell and Chief Thotie must take action immediately.

1036
01:09:29,940 --> 01:09:31,940
On Thursday at the City Council meeting,

1037
01:09:31,940 --> 01:09:40,480
And again tonight, I'm speaking to the motion before this city council and to the council's role as a legislative body.

1038
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:43,680
We need to get rid of flock.

1039
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:50,780
And we need to create a law and ordinance to protect the rights and safety of new Bedford residents.

1040
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:52,920
This isn't in either or.

1041
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:54,440
It's a both and.

1042
01:09:54,740 --> 01:09:58,320
We should demand that flock come down now.

1043
01:09:58,320 --> 01:09:59,960
while also a dream.

1044
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:07,600
Messing the larger problem of how surveillance technology is governed in our city. And that means looking beyond

1045
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:15,800
automated license plate readers, focusing on just ALPRs would be a mistake and incredibly short sighted

1046
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:23,420
Mr. President. Flock is one surveillance technology and one vendor. New Bedford has and will continue to encounter

1047
01:10:23,420 --> 01:10:30,340
many others, without an ordinance, the mayor or chief could eliminate flock today and acquire a different

1048
01:10:30,340 --> 01:10:36,900
surveillance technology tomorrow. This is why I rise in favor of sending this particular

1049
01:10:36,900 --> 01:10:43,560
motion to the ordinance committee and ordinance could govern all surveillance technology

1050
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:50,660
currently in use and could stop the city from adopting new surveillance technology in the first place,

1051
01:10:50,660 --> 01:10:52,700
not just regulate how it's used.

1052
01:10:53,260 --> 01:10:55,480
Right now, the mayor and chief have the authority

1053
01:10:55,480 --> 01:10:58,140
to take down Flock, Mr. President, and they should.

1054
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,360
I've spoken with the chief, I've spoken with the mayor,

1055
01:11:01,620 --> 01:11:03,460
I've urged them to end Flock immediately,

1056
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,000
and besides advocates advocacy,

1057
01:11:06,500 --> 01:11:10,400
what we can do as the legislative body is past a law,

1058
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,260
giving the public and their elected officials

1059
01:11:13,260 --> 01:11:17,840
a permanent voice in decisions about surveillance technology

1060
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:18,900
in New Bedford.

1061
01:11:19,260 --> 01:11:19,540
Thank you.

1062
01:11:19,540 --> 01:11:22,660
Thank you, Councillor. Chair, I can answer Councillor Abram.

1063
01:11:23,860 --> 01:11:28,400
Thank you very much, Mr. President. I rise tonight because I support all of these motions.

1064
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,040
And we need to have the very serious discussion on whether or not

1065
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:36,880
flock belongs in this community and the answer is a resounding in my opinion.

1066
01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:41,660
No. I support our police officers having the tools they need to be successful.

1067
01:11:42,660 --> 01:11:46,820
When the chief comes before us, or even deputy chief B. Lung has been her a while,

1068
01:11:46,820 --> 01:11:53,160
ask him, has this body ever denied a capital improvement, appropriation, or a transfer, the answer

1069
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:53,780
is no.

1070
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:59,460
We have always given them the tools they need, so this is not a defund the police movement.

1071
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:01,240
This is about accountability.

1072
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:07,340
This is about trying to make sure you can balance the needs of constitutional rights and public

1073
01:12:07,340 --> 01:12:07,880
safety.

1074
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:09,260
You can have both.

1075
01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:14,400
Again, I support the police officers having the tools they need, but public safety cannot

1076
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,700
come at the expense of constitutional rights.

1077
01:12:17,540 --> 01:12:22,480
The Fourth Amendment, we all know that the Fourth Amendment is, it protects Americans from unreasonable

1078
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:27,760
searches and seizures, article 14, by the way, of the Massachusetts Declaration of Rights

1079
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,080
provides similar protections.

1080
01:12:30,420 --> 01:12:34,100
Some of you in this room may have heard about the Supreme Court decision, Carpenter of

1081
01:12:34,100 --> 01:12:40,920
the United States, and recognizes, in this decision, that government access to information

1082
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,820
and revealing the person's historical movements can raise

1083
01:12:43,820 --> 01:12:46,300
serious, fourth amendment concerns.

1084
01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:48,520
That's the issue here.

1085
01:12:48,860 --> 01:12:52,100
It's one thing for an officer to see a license plate

1086
01:12:52,100 --> 01:12:53,560
while a patrol, right?

1087
01:12:54,980 --> 01:12:58,400
And to run it if they suspect this issue and handle it.

1088
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,440
It's another thing to create a searchable record and database

1089
01:13:02,440 --> 01:13:05,660
where vehicles have been, where they've been,

1090
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:07,680
where they're going, and that information

1091
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,220
you could be shared with third-party operatives.

1092
01:13:11,020 --> 01:13:12,760
And we don't know where that information is going.

1093
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,520
I'm not saying that flawed cameras are automatically

1094
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:19,240
in constitutional.

1095
01:13:19,620 --> 01:13:21,380
I'm saying it raises some questions and concerns.

1096
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,400
But why should we roll the dice and take a chance

1097
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,580
on a quote ruling and telling us we've gone too far?

1098
01:13:28,940 --> 01:13:31,940
Why not just rain it in now to the good council

1099
01:13:31,940 --> 01:13:33,120
who spoke before me?

1100
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:36,500
Let's look at other technologies that aren't as controversial

1101
01:13:36,500 --> 01:13:39,280
that haven't had that dark cloud over them.

1102
01:13:40,580 --> 01:13:43,240
We need very clear rules in my opinion, Mr. President,

1103
01:13:43,780 --> 01:13:47,560
about who can access this information, why they can access it,

1104
01:13:47,580 --> 01:13:50,600
how long it's been retained, who it can be shared with,

1105
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,360
and how the searches are audited.

1106
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:54,120
And we'll talk about all this in committee.

1107
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,360
We've already seen examples all over the place

1108
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,820
where this flat technology has been abused,

1109
01:14:00,420 --> 01:14:02,500
why continue to risk it.

1110
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,420
And I reject the argument, too, by the way.

1111
01:14:05,420 --> 01:14:09,840
Well, if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about if you're not breaking the law.

1112
01:14:10,700 --> 01:14:13,740
Privacy is not something we earn by being innocent.

1113
01:14:14,900 --> 01:14:16,440
People should be able to go to work.

1114
01:14:17,060 --> 01:14:19,500
Go to their doctor for health care.

1115
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,240
Go to church, participate in a political meeting or in a gathering,

1116
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:30,760
or simply drive through the city without assuming that the government is creating a searchable record of their movements.

1117
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:37,140
Our responsibility is to protect both public safety and individual liberty.

1118
01:14:39,370 --> 01:14:42,970
So I believe we have two choices when we get to the committee.

1119
01:14:44,130 --> 01:14:48,470
Establish strong privacy and constitutional protections with our legal counsel

1120
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:55,350
or if we cannot guarantee those protections, seriously consider taking them down

1121
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:56,910
and taking them down immediately.

1122
01:14:56,910 --> 01:14:59,970
technology should serve the public, not to-

1123
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,800
Turn the public into a database. The Fourth Amendment didn't become outdated because technology changed. Remember that.

1124
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:16,400
If anything, technology makes these protections more important than ever on that, Mr. President, I'll yield thank you.

1125
01:15:16,700 --> 01:15:19,220
Thank you. Chair recognizes Councillor Bebtiste.

1126
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:24,320
I'm not going to be as polished as everybody else, sorry.

1127
01:15:26,340 --> 01:15:31,520
It's shit got to come down immediately, I think that we have to understand about people's

1128
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:36,620
rights and how people feel intrusive on their rights, right?

1129
01:15:36,820 --> 01:15:41,620
I'm going down Middle Street yesterday and everybody in Temple Lin is like, you know, we

1130
01:15:41,620 --> 01:15:44,540
haven't had violence out here in a long time, we haven't had trouble out here in a long

1131
01:15:44,540 --> 01:15:44,760
time.

1132
01:15:44,820 --> 01:15:46,800
Why are these cameras up over here facing our houses?

1133
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:52,060
Why is the block lit up like Gillette Stadium out here, you know, and that's going on

1134
01:15:52,060 --> 01:15:53,440
all over the city, right?

1135
01:15:53,440 --> 01:16:04,180
Not to mention right this young lady got caught using a flock camera because she had a tool nine on her. How many people were using the flock cameras for that same reason without it's with

1136
01:16:04,820 --> 01:16:09,700
And went that we didn't know about for the last two years that was snug right under our noses, right?

1137
01:16:10,020 --> 01:16:17,560
I'm sure I would like to see everybody who used them what they ran it for what they did it for like every single cop that signed up for the program

1138
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:23,420
I would love to see what they used all them flock what what they use that technology for and how they used it for their own

1139
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:29,120
personal use. So they used it for somebody else's personal use. This is a problem all across

1140
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:33,620
the country and people across the country. You know, we got a bunch of people with ring cameras outside,

1141
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:37,360
we got a bunch of city. You know, if they would invest that money in the city cameras,

1142
01:16:37,480 --> 01:16:42,380
they wouldn't all be broken. A lot of these crimes wouldn't, you know, go unsolved and put some money

1143
01:16:42,380 --> 01:16:48,400
back in the shot spot because if you say that this crime out here and that that that that that

1144
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:55,380
that we need these and it keeps people safe, and I'm not against the cop, my brother got shot

1145
01:16:55,380 --> 01:16:55,860
on duty.

1146
01:16:56,280 --> 01:17:01,380
You understand what I'm saying, man, I got friends and family that I'm on the job, and they

1147
01:17:01,380 --> 01:17:03,460
all feel a certain way about it as well.

1148
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:08,500
We have to look at what the people, I have to look at the people I represent, right?

1149
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:12,420
I can't look at where everybody else says or how everybody else feels, I represent the

1150
01:17:12,420 --> 01:17:16,900
people of Ward 4 and the people of Ward 4, this is what the people of Ward 4 don't want.

1151
01:17:16,900 --> 01:17:18,880
for some of the people that do want it,

1152
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,740
there's a resounding number that don't want it, right?

1153
01:17:21,740 --> 01:17:24,160
So I feel like this has to come down immediately.

1154
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:27,380
And I think that everybody got to get off their high

1155
01:17:27,380 --> 01:17:29,740
host, whether it's the chief, whether it's the mayor,

1156
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,440
like listen to the people that's around here,

1157
01:17:32,820 --> 01:17:35,640
listen to the people in the city and all like,

1158
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:37,600
or put the cameras in front of your houses,

1159
01:17:38,020 --> 01:17:39,580
let the cameras go in front of their groups

1160
01:17:39,580 --> 01:17:41,920
and let them feel like when they're going in and out

1161
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:43,340
the house, they can have them like shining

1162
01:17:43,340 --> 01:17:45,320
and people can watch what they do.

1163
01:17:45,320 --> 01:18:15,080
You know, let's start putting in front of people's houses that to make them feel uncomfortable to make them feel how people that, you know, now it's in what one and all that but it was in predominantly brown neighborhoods before that and you know, it wasn't a problem for two years before that and and then it came out that it wasn't everybody else's neighborhood everybody's up in arms, but you know, my people hasn't felt safe forever. I haven't felt safe in 51 years, you know, and you know, the safest place I feel is in my neighborhood.

1164
01:18:16,060 --> 01:18:22,800
And with the people from my neighborhood, and the cops that do a good job in this city, protecting our city.

1165
01:18:23,300 --> 01:18:31,280
And we're just talking about the people who overbeared their bounds and take this technology and use it for their own services and our abuse and the services.

1166
01:18:31,860 --> 01:18:38,940
So if you have to shut it down because people are abusing the services and you're going to make ordinances, what's to say, somebody's not going to abuse it again.

1167
01:18:38,940 --> 01:18:47,080
It started off with a couple of people having it and everybody, then anybody could have signed up for the program and how many people had

1168
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:52,140
could see me riding on the street, could see anybody doing anything, right?

1169
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:53,780
It's so intrusive, man.

1170
01:18:54,340 --> 01:18:58,560
Everybody got rent cameras, the city can invest more on their city cameras.

1171
01:19:00,300 --> 01:19:06,640
We can invest more in law enforcement, right, and get more cops on the street and help that department.

1172
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:11,900
pay cops one money so twenty five cops ain't trying to go to fair haven and thirty

1173
01:19:11,900 --> 01:19:15,780
cops ain't trying to go to bridge water and everybody's trying to leave the

1174
01:19:15,780 --> 01:19:19,280
station because they're not getting treated right and the money ain't getting paid

1175
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,760
right but you want to put money into this stuff and not keep the people that

1176
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:26,860
keep the city safe here right we got to look out for the people that's keeping

1177
01:19:26,860 --> 01:19:30,520
the city safe and we got to also look out for the safety of people's rights

1178
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:36,140
and that's all I got to say sorry like I don't have nothing prepared I'm

1179
01:19:36,140 --> 01:19:40,120
I just rode down the street yesterday and I felt like I had to block my face

1180
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:44,100
You know everywhere I went right cuz I'm riding down this drones up in the sky

1181
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:52,360
There's a flock camera working out there and it's lit up like jillette. I was like the end of pastry is practicing and you're not a front like what's that?

1182
01:19:52,420 --> 01:19:59,960
So you know, it's it's an issue, you know, and these people have real concerns and they attack them and they

1183
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:15,240
There are people, right? So we have to represent, I represent Ward 4, right? And I don't know how everybody else feels about my people. When they call me up, this is what they tell me. So that's what I got voted in for. It's a fight for the people. So I yield the floor in that. Thank you.

1184
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:17,320
Thank you. Chairman, this is Councillor Schokat.

1185
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:21,320
Thank you again, Mr. President.

1186
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:26,980
Just talk to follow all that passion. I'll do my best.

1187
01:20:26,980 --> 01:20:41,920
I got this book here. It helped me in law school. It's called the Constitution. And I just quickly, I don't know if the mayor's copy has dust on his, mine, mine doesn't have dust because I look at it quite a bit.

1188
01:20:42,260 --> 01:20:55,340
But it says, amendment four, the rights of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated.

1189
01:20:56,260 --> 01:21:00,240
And no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause.

1190
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:02,160
So,

1191
01:21:04,540 --> 01:21:06,980
I know the mayor gets that moniker all the time.

1192
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:08,880
If he's the smartest guy in the room.

1193
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:11,520
Well, I get news for you, pal.

1194
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,140
There's the smartest guy in the room.

1195
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:15,560
President Washington.

1196
01:21:16,140 --> 01:21:17,320
And he was one of the founders.

1197
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:23,240
And what would President Washington think today that this country

1198
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:31,980
has let a surveillance government company make billions of dollars by violating everyone's rights.

1199
01:21:32,900 --> 01:21:37,240
And, okay, I know some of the people out there who were attorneys can say, well, you know,

1200
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:41,240
the case law is not there and it really doesn't.

1201
01:21:42,140 --> 01:21:46,640
My colleague from Hussie Street actually brought up a point and yes, I remember if we would.

1202
01:21:47,140 --> 01:21:50,760
He brought up a great point and let me just six found on it from earlier.

1203
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:58,760
He said it's not so much the flock technology on its own violating the Constitutional of the Fourth Amendment,

1204
01:21:59,300 --> 01:22:08,980
but the sum total of flock, drones, facial recognition, all these things form a mosaic.

1205
01:22:09,980 --> 01:22:15,420
Okay? And now that mosaic is violating the Fourth Amendment.

1206
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:22,460
I don't know how this got out of hand across this country, but we, the people, need to stand

1207
01:22:22,460 --> 01:22:24,980
up and stop it now.

1208
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:30,840
Now, I have nothing but the utmost respect for the New Bethlehem Police Department.

1209
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,140
I always have, and I always will.

1210
01:22:32,340 --> 01:22:34,060
This is not about the police.

1211
01:22:34,580 --> 01:22:37,140
This is about that goddamn flock company.

1212
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:47,240
Okay?

1213
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:53,200
So that is what we need to do, and I also want to say, I'm actually excited at the

1214
01:22:53,200 --> 01:23:00,480
prospect, because we don't have the Supreme Court applying the Constitution to this issue.

1215
01:23:00,860 --> 01:23:04,940
And we don't have the Congress of the United States or the United States Senate writing

1216
01:23:04,940 --> 01:23:10,580
law, and we don't have the State House and the State Senate doing it either.

1217
01:23:10,580 --> 01:23:18,360
So this now falls upon us to figure out how the fourth amendment and flock works together, the

1218
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:25,660
a case law in the Estature, and as someone who went to law school, that's one of the most exciting

1219
01:23:25,660 --> 01:23:31,040
things, and I think my colleague from Husty Street would agree that we're definitely on the front

1220
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:35,960
here here, and we're going to be able to write some law that even the Supreme Court of the United

1221
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:37,960
State's hasn't done yet.

1222
01:23:38,580 --> 01:23:39,760
I spoke my piece.

1223
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:40,760
Thank you.

1224
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:41,620
Thank you, Councillor.

1225
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:43,180
Chair, right now, it's Councillor Gomes.

1226
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,080
Thank you very much.

1227
01:23:46,480 --> 01:23:50,960
I'm going to support this and I'm going to support this going to on this and I hope that

1228
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,960
something comes out of it that's in the affirmative on behalf of the people.

1229
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:58,920
But I want you to know that I represent 100,000 people in this city.

1230
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:02,040
If not more, they've called it 100,000.

1231
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,580
I believe there's 120,000 people in this city.

1232
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:08,700
We have an obligation to listen to all those people.

1233
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,340
I've listened to the people who have come here.

1234
01:24:11,820 --> 01:24:13,140
I've listened to my constituency.

1235
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,720
As I said earlier, I've traveled throughout the city this week

1236
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:18,020
from the north of the south.

1237
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:22,060
There are many people that support this,

1238
01:24:22,220 --> 01:24:24,440
but they want some provisions put in place

1239
01:24:24,440 --> 01:24:27,000
to make sure that people's rights are not violated.

1240
01:24:27,860 --> 01:24:29,720
Now, I'm going to say this.

1241
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:34,800
I heard a colleague earlier say my people don't want this in the neighborhood.

1242
01:24:35,100 --> 01:24:39,620
I've heard this before, but I've also heard from them neighborhoods and did not hear from

1243
01:24:39,620 --> 01:24:43,780
their neighborhoods right now that they don't want those cameras in their neighborhoods,

1244
01:24:44,340 --> 01:24:48,720
where their concerns are as the shots that are being fired and the boys that are being killed

1245
01:24:49,420 --> 01:24:52,300
and people being hurt within the neighborhoods.

1246
01:24:52,380 --> 01:24:57,700
That's what their concern is and representing 100,000 people I need to hear from everybody.

1247
01:24:57,700 --> 01:24:59,960
I cannot just hear from a small...

1248
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:07,960
Group of people, the way they feel, and they have the right to. Each and every of one of us have the right to.

1249
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:12,660
But we have to hear from the entire city, and the entire city has not been heard from.

1250
01:25:13,100 --> 01:25:16,380
And I heard one Councillor. I'm not going to mention any names.

1251
01:25:17,140 --> 01:25:22,900
I'm on a local broadcast. I got to believe that 60% of the people do not want the camera here.

1252
01:25:23,060 --> 01:25:27,860
I got to tell you, that's wrong, Councillor. That's wrong because you have not been throughout the city.

1253
01:25:27,860 --> 01:25:31,020
and you have not heard from the people of this city.

1254
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:33,320
You know, many people are very quiet on this issue.

1255
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,000
You have not really heard them.

1256
01:25:35,300 --> 01:25:37,700
I know where the, I mean, I want to call it noise,

1257
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:39,440
and I'm not going to be rude in any way.

1258
01:25:39,540 --> 01:25:41,160
I know where the voices have come from,

1259
01:25:41,300 --> 01:25:42,620
and I understand your concern.

1260
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,740
I really do, but I also understand that I have a city here

1261
01:25:46,740 --> 01:25:51,520
that we've been placed here in a position to keep our city safe

1262
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,100
and to do what we have to do to keep our city safe.

1263
01:25:54,220 --> 01:25:56,540
And I've done that for the time that I've been here.

1264
01:25:56,540 --> 01:26:00,140
You know, when you didn't want no cameras on the police officers,

1265
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:01,920
like we want cameras on the police officers,

1266
01:26:01,980 --> 01:26:03,920
remember the administration told us, no?

1267
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:08,200
They said we couldn't use the covert money to get those cameras.

1268
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:11,400
Only to do exactly what I said to do after that.

1269
01:26:11,620 --> 01:26:14,320
Have you heard anything from the people like we were hearing from the people

1270
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:18,780
and the complaints that were coming about this department that was so bad,

1271
01:26:18,980 --> 01:26:24,260
so bad that I knew was nothing but a bunch of BS out there,

1272
01:26:24,260 --> 01:26:27,480
where their problems in certain situations sure there was,

1273
01:26:27,700 --> 01:26:29,360
but those cameras solved it.

1274
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,820
So what I'm seeing here tonight is we can look at this in oneness,

1275
01:26:33,260 --> 01:26:36,260
but may in a fact we maybe we should travel throughout the city.

1276
01:26:36,380 --> 01:26:40,440
Maybe we should visit every ward and give every ward the opportunity to come out

1277
01:26:40,440 --> 01:26:43,760
and express what the opinions are on these cameras before.

1278
01:26:43,980 --> 01:26:46,640
We take action before we put something in place

1279
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:50,020
that does not represent the entire city that I represent,

1280
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:53,040
and that's 120,000 people in the city and New Buffet.

1281
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:56,200
And not everyone is against the technology.

1282
01:26:56,700 --> 01:26:59,400
You don't have a police department that's against the technology.

1283
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,480
You have officers out there that want to do the right thing.

1284
01:27:02,620 --> 01:27:04,340
Do the right thing each and every day.

1285
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:06,500
They just don't want to see the system abuse,

1286
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:08,820
like some have chosen to do.

1287
01:27:09,180 --> 01:27:11,760
The action that the department has taken is fair.

1288
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:12,840
Suspended.

1289
01:27:13,540 --> 01:27:13,820
Suspended.

1290
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:15,580
But let's come to the table.

1291
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:16,940
Let's all do this together.

1292
01:27:17,780 --> 01:27:20,320
Working together, success comes to those who work together.

1293
01:27:21,020 --> 01:27:28,540
Separation comes to those who have an opinion that don't want to listen to the other opinion or try to come up with something that blocks that opinion

1294
01:27:28,540 --> 01:27:36,240
I represent the whole city. I'll say it one more time and I want you must hear from this whole city and I don't believe we've heard from this whole city

1295
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:40,140
We can't fit the whole city in city counts of chambers ladies in gentlemen

1296
01:27:40,860 --> 01:27:46,280
But what we can do is keep our city safe put the best technology forth

1297
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:54,160
It can be any affirmative without violating that rights and again I support this going on and on and we look forward to it and on and but again

1298
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:58,860
We should hear from the entire city and no one in this room is going to tell me nobody

1299
01:27:59,420 --> 01:28:04,440
Not one of my colleagues that you've heard from the entire city because you have not

1300
01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:05,680
Thank you for the opportunity

1301
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:08,760
Thank you Councillor chair. I can just cancel a pamperton

1302
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:15,580
Thank you, Mr. Weather. I just want to see in and say that I

1303
01:28:15,580 --> 01:28:21,340
in against the FARC, and let's support this motion, and I think that they should come down.

1304
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:23,240
I support our police department.

1305
01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:28,260
I always have, they are, they are, they are the police department, very special place in

1306
01:28:28,260 --> 01:28:28,560
my heart.

1307
01:28:28,660 --> 01:28:37,520
We all know this, but this is not the correct tool for them to use, and not at the expense of

1308
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:39,680
the city of Dubefrodo, none of the people.

1309
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:44,780
They also, you know, the other thing I always hear is, you know, we also have phones, our phone

1310
01:28:45,380 --> 01:28:47,420
trackers, trackers, our phone knows what we're doing.

1311
01:28:47,660 --> 01:28:51,880
That may be true, but you know something, I signed up for that, I knew that.

1312
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:53,580
But I also have control of my phone.

1313
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:57,200
We don't have control of those flood cameras, and we definitely did not sign up for it.

1314
01:28:57,480 --> 01:28:58,900
Thank you.

1315
01:28:59,100 --> 01:28:59,940
Thank you, Councillor.

1316
01:29:00,940 --> 01:29:02,860
Anyone else on their first?

1317
01:29:04,820 --> 01:29:05,120
Okay.

1318
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:07,540
On their second, the chair of the council, April.

1319
01:29:08,660 --> 01:29:09,900
Thank you, Mr. President.

1320
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:10,940
Just two quick things.

1321
01:29:11,180 --> 01:29:11,480
That's one.

1322
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,060
I was remissed in my first opening remarks.

1323
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:20,300
One, I do want to praise and commend Chief Thoty, because we had that community forum

1324
01:29:20,300 --> 01:29:22,240
about a month ago at Polaski.

1325
01:29:22,500 --> 01:29:24,640
There were some serious concerns about the cameras.

1326
01:29:25,260 --> 01:29:26,180
What did the Chief do?

1327
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:32,460
I praise his stewardship, and I praise his transparency in conducting the audit and exposing

1328
01:29:32,460 --> 01:29:37,520
the issue and working with his internal affairs, and everyone else to make sure that those

1329
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:43,220
issues were eradicated, and then suspension of flock until everyone could figure this out.

1330
01:29:43,460 --> 01:29:45,340
So I do want to praise him for that.

1331
01:29:45,460 --> 01:29:45,780
I have to.

1332
01:29:45,780 --> 01:29:50,520
And the other thing I wanted to mention, it's interesting, we want more men and women for

1333
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:54,640
the ranks, and we want to fill the ranks, we're losing them left and right for various

1334
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:59,960
reasons which we're not going to get into tonight, but it's funny from a laborist.

1335
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,780
From the rank-and-file union standpoint of which I have always been a supporter of, and I've always had their backs.

1336
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:15,020
I would think flood cameras or massive aliens should give them some cause for concern and for pause I would think.

1337
01:30:15,180 --> 01:30:21,820
More cameras you have, the less need you have for actual, real, warm bodies and rank-and-file out on the streets.

1338
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:28,240
Think about it. It could be a cost saving measure for a municipality. Do you pay health insurance on a camera?

1339
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:31,200
Do you pay pension credits towards the pension of a camera?

1340
01:30:32,480 --> 01:30:33,220
Think about it.

1341
01:30:33,300 --> 01:30:34,220
It's an interesting thing.

1342
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:39,380
So, you know, it's just the timing and we're in a fiscal mess and cameras and it's been

1343
01:30:39,380 --> 01:30:44,740
up for a couple of years and we've been seeing the slow degradation of where we are with

1344
01:30:44,740 --> 01:30:47,760
our finances, been fiscal matters here in the city.

1345
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:48,460
I don't know.

1346
01:30:49,140 --> 01:30:50,760
But those are just two points I wanted to mention.

1347
01:30:51,580 --> 01:30:56,260
So, if the union leadership is listening, which I'm sure they are and they're thick

1348
01:30:56,260 --> 01:30:56,760
about it.

1349
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:57,280
And that's all.

1350
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:58,080
And that's all I recommend.

1351
01:30:58,180 --> 01:31:00,140
Think about what we're saying, what I'm saying.

1352
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:04,500
This could have some very serious labor shortage issues for you in your department.

1353
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:06,200
Thank you.

1354
01:31:06,440 --> 01:31:06,940
Thank you.

1355
01:31:07,660 --> 01:31:12,040
And when else on the 1st, on the 2nd, the chair recommends this council to show, oh, sorry,

1356
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:12,860
excuse me.

1357
01:31:13,020 --> 01:31:15,020
Chair recommends council to the county on her 1st.

1358
01:31:15,860 --> 01:31:17,180
Thank you, Mr. President.

1359
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:23,360
I just rise that we do have some deep concerns about these flood cameras in the city.

1360
01:31:24,620 --> 01:31:30,140
I realize that these flood cameras, all of a sudden,

1361
01:31:30,140 --> 01:31:35,520
very suspicious to me, didn't hear about them a month, two months ago,

1362
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:39,460
all of a sudden, the whole country within a month's time,

1363
01:31:39,980 --> 01:31:41,900
the flux spent all over the entire country.

1364
01:31:43,020 --> 01:31:45,140
These have been out since 2017.

1365
01:31:46,100 --> 01:31:49,480
It's a $7.5 billion business.

1366
01:31:50,420 --> 01:31:52,780
I'm like, and it's been on the market.

1367
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,520
You can buy stocks in these companies.

1368
01:31:57,200 --> 01:32:00,940
To me, all of a sudden, there was nothing in there all here.

1369
01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:06,320
To me, I found a little bit suspicious, and we do deserve discussion on this to find out

1370
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:07,260
how they work.

1371
01:32:07,780 --> 01:32:11,580
I don't know all the technologies I've been reading up on that, and they can do just

1372
01:32:11,580 --> 01:32:13,040
for anything, but they can do nothing.

1373
01:32:13,420 --> 01:32:18,360
It's up to the person to install the technologies, but it's all the country, and we don't

1374
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:24,840
know, from these companies, where this data is going, who is sharing it, and we need some

1375
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:28,860
serious discussion to see a new method as we look at at these flood cameras.

1376
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:31,160
So I'm just standing up to support this.

1377
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:37,200
I'm glad that suspended until we know exactly how they work, what they do, and who's

1378
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:38,040
going to be using them.

1379
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:38,500
Thank you.

1380
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:41,180
Thank you, Councillor.

1381
01:32:41,900 --> 01:32:43,300
Anyone else on their first?

1382
01:32:44,780 --> 01:32:46,900
Chair Reckon is a council of Shokeh on his second.

1383
01:32:46,900 --> 01:32:48,600
Thank you, Mr. President.

1384
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:58,320
I would say that something we should look at would be getting this

1385
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:03,160
voter question put on the ballot. Now, unfortunately it's too late to do it this fall,

1386
01:33:03,420 --> 01:33:10,540
so it would have to be the following year. Yeah, the election year. So my recommendation,

1387
01:33:10,940 --> 01:33:16,840
and obviously we're not going to make anything today, but would be that we put that on the

1388
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:20,900
for the next year and in the meantime, those cameras stay off.

1389
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:25,480
So that way, we won't hear from the five people

1390
01:33:25,480 --> 01:33:28,300
that want these things in some neighborhood

1391
01:33:28,300 --> 01:33:31,020
that say that they feel as though they were left out.

1392
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:36,440
I can promise you that there is no way on God's green earth

1393
01:33:36,440 --> 01:33:39,520
that a majority of this city wants to be surveilled.

1394
01:33:40,660 --> 01:33:41,540
Who knew?

1395
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,520
People don't like to be surveilled by the government.

1396
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:45,180
It's kind of a shock, right?

1397
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:54,060
I don't know, but look, I would say we need to make sure that these things stay off until

1398
01:33:54,060 --> 01:33:59,160
at least the people have voted as to how they feel in a binding question and we'll explore

1399
01:33:59,160 --> 01:33:59,700
that later.

1400
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:01,580
Thank you.

1401
01:34:01,700 --> 01:34:02,520
Thank you, Councillor.

1402
01:34:03,700 --> 01:34:06,340
Anyone else on their first?

1403
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:08,540
Anyone else on a second?

1404
01:34:08,540 --> 01:34:16,000
All right. Seeing none, the motion, the question before us is on referral to the committee

1405
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:22,620
on ordinance. All those in favor say roll call vote has been requested and I will ask

1406
01:34:22,620 --> 01:34:27,940
the clerk to call the roll. Councillor Avery. Yes, Councillor T. Yes. Yes, Councillor Brugo.

1407
01:34:28,980 --> 01:34:36,420
Yes, Councillor Carny. Yes. Yes. Councillor Showcat. Yes. Yes. Councillor Gomes. Yes. Councillor Lopes. Yes.

1408
01:34:36,420 --> 01:34:38,260
Council of Oliver. Yes. Yes.

1409
01:34:38,460 --> 01:34:40,520
Council of Pembers in. Yes. Yes. Yes.

1410
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:42,420
Council of Prahra. Yes. Yes.

1411
01:34:42,580 --> 01:34:44,160
Council Roy. Yes. Yes. Yes.

1412
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:46,580
Let me see. Item passes 11-0.

1413
01:34:46,700 --> 01:34:48,480
I will ask the clerk to read the final

1414
01:34:48,480 --> 01:34:52,140
table item. This present the fourth table item is a

1415
01:34:52,140 --> 01:34:53,680
written motion from Council of Showcat.

1416
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:55,840
Requestment the city be bedford and meet the

1417
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:58,180
cease-to-use of Flockham or citywide until

1418
01:34:58,180 --> 01:34:59,940
which time permit legislation can be.

1419
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:06,060
And act it as to their use. Motion to receive and place on file and amend to read as the following.

1420
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:11,300
Then after everyone speaks, make a motion to forward to

1421
01:35:11,300 --> 01:35:12,820
of air-mintual and chief-thirty.

1422
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:18,960
Second, I'm playing a funny one, you guys.

1423
01:35:19,420 --> 01:35:20,640
Did you not make a motion to do that?

1424
01:35:21,820 --> 01:35:24,860
Was a motion to a motion, is immediately

1425
01:35:24,860 --> 01:35:27,900
cease to use the floor cameras into a mend and say that,

1426
01:35:27,980 --> 01:35:29,940
and that the New Bethra Police Department

1427
01:35:29,940 --> 01:35:33,120
take down, or physically obstruct or cover,

1428
01:35:33,420 --> 01:35:35,720
all ALPR technology equipment.

1429
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:39,780
Second, the amendment to insert in here.

1430
01:35:41,340 --> 01:35:47,040
after the use where it says the use of lock cameras and insert and the clerk has a

1431
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:47,300
language.

1432
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:51,560
And that the new beffit police department take down a physically of structural cover all

1433
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:57,260
A L P R technology equipment, citywide has been made by Councillor Schilke second

1434
01:35:57,260 --> 01:36:00,660
by Councillor Oliver and he went on the question of the amendment,

1435
01:36:02,860 --> 01:36:04,340
okay without no question

1436
01:36:04,340 --> 01:36:09,020
on the amendment I will ask the clerk, all those in favor of inserting the amendment say

1437
01:36:09,020 --> 01:36:12,120
I oppose the I's have it.

1438
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:13,080
Council, do you have a motion?

1439
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:15,060
Yes.

1440
01:36:15,220 --> 01:36:20,080
I would like that motion to be sent to the Mayor's office, to the Mayor, and to Chief

1441
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:20,960
30 please.

1442
01:36:21,300 --> 01:36:21,580
That's.

1443
01:36:21,580 --> 01:36:26,140
Motion to refer the item to the mayor, the Mitchell administration, and Chief

1444
01:36:26,140 --> 01:36:26,900
30.

1445
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:31,380
May by council of Shoka, second by council of Bergo, on the question that chair

1446
01:36:31,380 --> 01:36:32,640
recognizes council of Bergo.

1447
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:39,080
I want to thank the maker of the motion for making that amendment.

1448
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:48,140
And I know my colleague from Jenny Lynch Street, sorry, I never know where any of you

1449
01:36:48,140 --> 01:36:49,060
people live.

1450
01:36:50,540 --> 01:36:59,180
She mentioned, I know Flockel tell me, she mentioned that she's happy that they're suspended,

1451
01:36:59,540 --> 01:37:07,480
but I want to make a clear note here that these cameras are technically suspended, pending

1452
01:37:07,480 --> 01:37:12,120
in internal investigation. Well, in that internal investigation ends, we have no clue whether

1453
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:17,040
or not they'll be turned right back on. So that's why I think it's important that while

1454
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:23,420
the suspension is in effect right now, we have seen in other municipalities that the camera

1455
01:37:23,420 --> 01:37:30,340
has still been accessed. We even saw when this initially went into place back in 2024, there

1456
01:37:30,340 --> 01:37:35,060
were outside agencies and other municipalities accessing our cameras before we even started

1457
01:37:35,060 --> 01:37:36,380
utilizing it.

1458
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:42,280
So even though New Beffered might have stopped operation or suspended their use of it, I think

1459
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:47,100
that it's prudent that this amendment was made and that we make this request of Mayor Mitchell

1460
01:37:47,100 --> 01:37:52,860
and Chief Thoody that during the suspension they cover up or take down these flat cameras.

1461
01:37:52,980 --> 01:37:58,060
Again, this is simply a request and we know that Mayor Mitchell does not like to be told what to do.

1462
01:37:58,340 --> 01:38:03,260
Hopefully he does listen and as one of my colleagues has mentioned earlier that Chief Thoody

1463
01:38:03,260 --> 01:38:09,120
has been a bit more reasonable, so I'm hoping that they will take this request seriously

1464
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:13,140
and actually take down those slackers, but I just wanted to make that note that this

1465
01:38:13,140 --> 01:38:20,420
suspension was only put into place due to a pending investigation, and that I assume once

1466
01:38:20,420 --> 01:38:24,420
this investigation is over, they will be back up and running, and they probably still are

1467
01:38:24,420 --> 01:38:25,040
currently running.

1468
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:26,120
Thank you.

1469
01:38:26,340 --> 01:38:27,080
Thank you.

1470
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:30,240
Anyone, Council Oliver, excuse me, I apologize.

1471
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:37,400
Thanks. Thank you, Councillor President. I rise today, obviously, where the guardless of how

1472
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:41,840
you feel on this issue, whether you're full or flocked or flocked technologies, or against

1473
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:46,240
it, the problem is that public trust has been broken here in the city of New Bedford,

1474
01:38:47,220 --> 01:38:52,140
where there is the lack of transparency from this administration as far as the directives

1475
01:38:52,140 --> 01:38:59,860
in which flock was instituted. So, I support this as I did the other motions to send

1476
01:38:59,860 --> 01:39:05,700
to commit the various committees. So that way we can do the work that this administration didn't

1477
01:39:05,700 --> 01:39:10,900
do. To start having the discussions not only as far as what an ordinance will look like,

1478
01:39:11,140 --> 01:39:19,280
but what the public outcry is whether you're for it or against it. So the fact remains

1479
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:26,480
that, yes, I trust that the new Bedford Police Department is not utilizing this technology now,

1480
01:39:26,480 --> 01:39:34,560
But we don't know what the backdoor parameters are for the owners of the technology of the actual technology and the cameras, what they are doing.

1481
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:55,440
So that's why I support not only turning them off, but covering them so that way the public trust can be restored while this body does the work that the administration failed to do and start having the real discussions as to what flock technology if at all looks like for the city of New Bedford.

1482
01:39:55,440 --> 01:39:59,140
So thank you. Thank you. Thank you counselor. Anyone else?

1483
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:13,220
Okay? Seeing none. The question is on referral to the Mitchell administration in chief 30, all those in favor say aye. Opposed the I's have it. Motion to take up an adopt consent.

1484
01:40:13,260 --> 01:40:13,900
So, move.

1485
01:40:14,020 --> 01:40:28,040
Made by council, the Bergo, second by council of Gomes, all those in favor say aye. Opposed the I's have it. Before we adjourn, the chair would just like to acknowledge two points to the members of the public in our gallery here this evening.

1486
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:33,880
First, the chair would like to thank everybody for maintaining proper decorum in the chamber of this evening,

1487
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:38,520
and also would like to recognize the vast majority of you who are here on Thursday.

1488
01:40:39,180 --> 01:40:43,220
We're not causing problems in a few bad actors in the crowd,

1489
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:47,200
riled everybody up and we're really misbehaving.

1490
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:55,280
I'd like to thank you and appreciate all of you this evening from maintaining decorum across this meeting.

1491
01:40:55,280 --> 01:41:02,240
With that, motion to adjourn has been made by Council A, Bruce 2nd by Council of Roy, all those in favor say aye.

1492
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:05,500
Opposed the I7 and we are adjourned to 841 PM.