[0:05] >> Welcome to the regular
[0:07] bonfils Commission Planning
[0:09] Commission meeting. We are a
[0:10] nine-member commission
[0:13] appointed by City Council. To
[0:13] make recommendations on a
[0:16] variety of zoning land use and
[0:22] development related requests.
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[0:53] roll call, please victory.
[0:56] >> Commissioner Nulty.
[1:00] Commissioner here Commissioner
[1:01] Talen Commissioner Mathis hear
[1:04] Commissioner Alan.
[1:06] Commissioner Henry here, vice
[1:11] chair. Also here. Chair and
[1:21] commissioner Breezier.
[1:22] >> We have a motion for the
[1:22] approval of last month's
[1:25] minutes. Motion to approve the
[1:29] minutes as written. Motion and
[1:31] second all in favor. All
[1:39] opposed. Motion carries. This
[1:40] time. It's for persons to
[1:41] address the planning
[1:43] Commission any items. Our
[1:47] issues not on the agenda is a
[1:48] violation of the Texas Open
[1:50] Meetings Act. For the
[1:52] commission to address, discuss
[1:54] or take action on any night
[1:59] items, not on the agenda. Each
[1:59] speaker is limited to 3
[2:00] minutes and must state their
[2:02] name and whether they are
[2:05] resin. New Braunfels. Anyone
[2:08] who wishes to speak on items,
[2:09] items the agenda. Mason do so.
[2:12] Now. Who have anyone that
[2:13] would like to speak items, not
[2:21] on the agenda. Seeing none.
[2:23] Move on to the individual
[2:25] items. I will announce the
[2:27] request. Our Steph City staff
[2:30] will present a summary of the
[2:31] case and will answer any
[2:31] questions asked by the
[2:34] commissioners. The applicant
[2:36] or agent would be allowed to
[2:37] come forward and have a kid
[2:41] for their request. Will open
[2:42] the public hearing and people
[2:42] will have 3 minutes to speak
[2:45] on each item. And there will
[2:47] be a total of 30 minutes. For
[2:54] all speakers. We'll close the
[2:54] public caring for a discussion
[3:02] of potential First item is c s
[3:05] to 6 0, 2, 7, 8, public
[3:08] hearing in consideration
[3:10] request by League Enterprises
[3:11] incorporated for an appeal
[3:15] section. 1, 4 Dash 5 do it to
[3:19] 2. Non-residential Inman,
[3:22] multifamily design standards.
[3:24] To allow for a deviation from
[3:28] the articulation requirements.
[3:29] For a proposed out on field
[3:33] dealership. And 2, 3, 8, age.
[3:34] 35 south and this e 3
[3:38] commercial district. Colton
[3:41] the floor, Thank you, MISTER
[3:41] Chair and Good evening.
[3:42] Commissioners School to Barker
[3:43] with the brothels neighborhood
[3:46] community planning.
[3:47] >> The first item this evening
[3:48] is an appeal to the city's
[3:50] building design standards,
[3:50] particularly as they relate to
[3:52] or is on office and
[3:54] articulation for proposed
[3:55] dealership redevelopment
[3:59] along. I-35. This is the first
[3:59] appeal of this type to come
[4:00] before the planning commission
[4:02] since the 2021 zoning Code
[4:02] amendments signed this review
[4:07] authority. Salute also mean a
[4:11] little the subject property
[4:13] this evening is just under 5
[4:15] acres France. The ice. 35
[4:16] access road as well as McCain
[4:20] Mcqueeney Road to the East.
[4:21] >> The property is located
[4:23] within Lucy, 3 commercial
[4:25] district adjacent properties
[4:26] on the Southside of 35 are
[4:26] also see 3 in commercially
[4:30] developed. No zoning changes
[4:31] or land use modifications are
[4:35] associated with this request.
[4:36] These photos show the current
[4:38] site conditions. The applicant
[4:40] intends to demolish the vacant
[4:41] dealership building and
[4:42] redevelop the property with a
[4:43] new dealership and continue
[4:46] its established use. The
[4:48] request before you is limited
[4:50] to a single building design
[4:51] element and does not affect
[4:51] any other site development
[4:52] standards that the development
[4:54] is required. As a few more
[5:01] slides here. Of the property.
[5:02] Under the city's
[5:03] non-residential design
[5:04] standards, large commercial
[5:05] buildings must include among
[5:06] other elements, horizontal
[5:09] facade, articulation These are
[5:10] perpendicular offsets intended
[5:12] to reduce long, flat exterior
[5:13] walls and introduce a visual
[5:16] interest in building design.
[5:17] The ordinance establishes 3
[5:17] main requirements when it
[5:18] comes to horizontally.
[5:21] Articulation. There's a
[5:22] maximum distance, a walk and
[5:23] run before an offset is
[5:25] required. Each offset must be
[5:26] at least a certain death based
[5:29] on the building's height. Off
[5:30] said let's run a minimum
[5:31] length along the facade based
[5:34] on the total facade length.
[5:35] These requirements are adopted
[5:36] by the city to help prevent
[5:38] overly monolithic commercial
[5:40] structures and to reinforce
[5:40] appealing building designed
[5:46] for the community. This
[5:46] elevation provided by the
[5:48] applicant shows the codes
[5:49] required offset depth at the
[5:49] top and the proposed depth at
[5:53] the bottom. The building needs
[5:54] the spacing in length
[5:54] standards, but the offset
[5:58] depth is less than required.
[6:00] It's like math on this one.
[6:02] But the slide summarizes how
[6:04] the proposed showroom facade
[6:04] compares to the articulation
[6:05] standards listed in the
[6:08] ordinance. Both the maximum
[6:09] distance between offsets and
[6:10] the minimum offset length,
[6:14] comply with the code. The
[6:15] applicant provides offsets at
[6:15] the appropriate intervals and
[6:16] each off said is long enough
[6:17] to meet the required
[6:19] percentage. The only standard
[6:20] that does not comply as the
[6:23] minimum offset depth. The
[6:24] ordinance requires an offset
[6:25] death based on 15% of the
[6:27] buildings. Average height.
[6:28] Well, the proposed design
[6:31] provides a shallower depth.
[6:33] This appeal solely focuses on
[6:35] the difference in that death
[6:36] and all of the year to
[6:37] collection requirements are
[6:42] meeting their standards. Staff
[6:42] is recommending approval of
[6:44] the appeal to allow an offset
[6:45] depth of one foot, 6 inches in
[6:46] place of the required 3 foot,
[6:48] 3 inches. The project appears
[6:52] to me all other articulation
[6:52] standards and the reduced
[6:53] still supports the ordinance
[6:54] is a 10 intend and the
[6:58] dealerships brand design. In
[7:00] the context of I-35 the
[7:00] shallower offset does not
[7:01] appear to affect the
[7:04] building's visual character.
[7:05] The request concerns only
[7:06] offset death and appears to
[7:06] have little to no impacts on
[7:09] the adjacent properties. I'm
[7:10] happy to answer any questions
[7:12] you MAY have for staff and I
[7:13] believe MR. Started in his
[7:14] design team are here. If you
[7:15] have any questions for them as
[7:15] well. Any questions
[7:20] commission?
[7:21] >> I'm just curious with the
[7:25] in-depth. Co that you all have
[7:26] the ordinance right now is or
[7:29] reason why they all have that
[7:30] particular deaths.
[7:31] >> I believe that peace was
[7:33] adopted back some of the
[7:34] bigger box stores were coming
[7:35] into town. And so that was
[7:36] adopted by the city council at
[7:40] that time to kind of offset.
[7:41] MAY have come in as a big,
[7:45] flat building just as an
[7:46] attempt to mix it up a little
[7:47] bit and have some visual
[7:50] variance and use those big
[7:50] buildings.
[7:51] >> With this request with the
[7:52] variants are having all
[7:57] consider re. Looking at that
[7:57] again?
[7:58] >> Yes, ma'am. Yeah. Believe
[7:59] we're looking at that as a
[8:01] part of the lbo project there.
[8:01] We're incorporating those
[8:03] building design elements into
[8:05] those to be a little bit more
[8:05] flexible with business
[8:06] partners. Okay. Thank you.
[8:09] It's me.
[8:12] >> In this kind of situation,
[8:14] does deviation does it
[8:15] attached to the project
[8:17] attached to the property.
[8:22] There's a good question. It's
[8:22] the building just to build
[8:23] Jose living. So if this got
[8:27] sold next week, this deviation
[8:28] is applied. And correct. Okay,
[8:29] Yeah, it would be just for
[8:30] what's being requested on this
[8:31] particular building for this
[8:31] particular project. Okay.
[8:37] Thank you, sir. If you In
[8:41] other words, it.
[8:41] >> Would still apply if they
[8:43] keep the building when it sold
[8:45] and if they tore down the back
[8:51] to the original correct.
[8:52] >> And just to clarify, this
[8:53] is not a zoning change in any
[8:54] way. That's correct.
[9:01] >> It's been. Thank you
[9:01] >> applicant is here would
[9:10] like to speak. They do your
[9:13] name and weather is in West
[9:14] entered resident representing
[9:17] Kaylee going prizes Bluebonnet
[9:18] swing we agree with the
[9:20] staff's position. Thank you.
[9:24] On this picture. What
[9:26] Volkswagen is requiring is
[9:27] what they call the white
[9:27] frame. That is around the
[9:29] entrance. One of them says
[9:30] Bluebonnet on at the other
[9:32] one. You see a Volkswagen
[9:36] insignia and they pre
[9:37] fabricate these. So this isn't
[9:38] our design. It's the design of
[9:39] Volkswagen nationwide saying
[9:40] here's what we want the front
[9:43] white frame to be behind the
[9:45] white frame is glass. So it
[9:46] has that depth perception
[9:47] because you're going to see
[9:48] right through into the
[9:51] building. So even though it's
[9:53] one feet, 9 inches instead the
[9:55] required 3 feet, 3 inches.
[9:56] It's going to feel like it's a
[9:57] lot deeper because it's all
[9:59] glass behind it. And so we're
[10:00] just advocating for that. The
[10:02] rest of the building, which is
[10:04] to my left up there, the gray
[10:05] portion has articulation.
[10:07] That's the shop. We really
[10:09] don't want to tear down our
[10:11] existing Jeep story. We think
[10:12] it's beautiful but full so I
[10:14] can will not let issues that I
[10:14] say. If you want the franchise
[10:15] in New Braunfels, you have to
[10:18] build this white frame. Look,
[10:19] and we're going to provide
[10:20] with you. It's not our
[10:22] architect to design. Did its
[10:23] pulse wagon. They're
[10:24] corporation saying this is
[10:25] what it has to be. So that's
[10:27] when we come to this space. Be
[10:30] happy to answer any questions.
[10:34] Commissioners, any questions?
[10:34] >> What's the timeline on this
[10:40] project?
[10:41] >> Well, we're just waiting
[10:42] for see permitting right we're
[10:44] all so it ready for us to go
[10:46] and they take We're ready to
[10:50] go. Okay. Yeah.
[10:53] >> Just as the comment seems
[10:54] like like you pointing out
[10:55] that the glass next
[10:57] articulation. The reason for
[11:00] that articulation kind of
[11:01] knowledge void because you've
[11:05] got plenty of. Break up in
[11:06] Last night and the design
[11:20] itself.
[11:25] Yet not to buy to be
[11:28] the top on. I don't know,
[11:29] Sean, if he's the architect so
[11:30] he can tell you that my
[11:36] expectation is it's that Good
[11:36] evening. My name shall well as
[11:38] with backing architecture, I
[11:40] do resident Braunfels.
[11:43] >> What you see the top
[11:44] elevation there. The shop
[11:45] side. The great piece with the
[11:46] couple bought about that's
[11:49] what that will be. But then
[11:50] the showroom piece on the
[11:51] bottom with the green will be
[11:52] is what we're proposing for
[11:53] the show. So it kind of going
[11:57] to be competition. Both that
[11:57] makes.
[11:58] >> So no articulation on the
[12:00] gray Raj portion saying I'm
[12:05] sorry. Which recommending is
[12:09] that long. Gray area does not
[12:09] have articulation.
[12:11] >> No, we are going to add
[12:11] articulation to the long gray
[12:13] area as a shoal in the top. O
[12:19] ur. We yes. You want to
[12:24] clarify what?
[12:24] >> Yeah. As I'm hearing it
[12:25] sounds like when we made this
[12:29] exhibit to articulate does.
[12:31] Horizontal articulation,
[12:31] perhaps they got a little
[12:32] mixed in these 2 exhibits. But
[12:34] what I'm hearing is that the
[12:37] gray portion of top reflects
[12:37] accurately and the white
[12:38] portion on the bottom reflects
[12:49] accurately. That's great.
[12:51] >> He that this is a public
[12:52] hearing. Anyone late to come
[12:58] forward and speak for anyone
[12:59] like to come forward and
[13:03] speaking in says? Seeing none.
[13:03] We'll close the public airing
[13:05] commissioners. Any discussion
[13:10] or
[13:10] >> I make a motion to approve
[13:15] second. Motion and second.
[13:16] >> All in favor. Aye. All
[13:28] opposed. Motion carries.
[13:31] >> It's up to 6 dash, 2, 5, 6,
[13:32] Public hearing and
[13:36] recommendation to City Council
[13:36] requested by communities are
[13:39] operating limited partnership.
[13:41] On behalf of sons, Silver Star
[13:45] llc. The be a son retreats,
[13:49] Texas Hill country to rezone
[13:52] approximately 11.4, 4 acres.
[13:55] One of the Yogi Bear
[13:56] Jellystone Park Block one lot
[14:01] too. From c 3 commercial
[14:03] district, 2 c 3 commercial
[14:06] district special use overlay
[14:08] to allow manufactured homes
[14:10] currently utterance that one
[14:15] for one Mary the
[14:17] >> Good evening, chair and
[14:17] commissioners, Mary level with
[14:20] neighborhood in community
[14:21] planning the subject. Property
[14:24] consists of approximately 11.4
[14:25] 4 acres located along the east
[14:29] side of Wrigley Road, roughly
[14:29] one quarter mile from the
[14:36] interstate. Surrounding zoning
[14:38] districts include apd him to a
[14:42] mu bc 3 c one bn are too. And
[14:43] that's a mixture of commercial
[14:46] industrial and agricultural
[14:47] development. And it also has a
[14:48] mixture of residential
[14:50] commercial and undeveloped
[14:52] parcels for the land uses that
[14:54] are surrounding it. The
[14:55] current use of the property is
[14:57] an rv park manufactured homes
[15:02] were. Previously allowed with
[15:07] nbc 3 district and until 2012
[15:09] when an amendment code
[15:10] amendment removed.
[15:11] >> The allowance of
[15:14] manufactured homes from to see
[15:16] 3 district earlier this year
[15:16] when the applicant was in the
[15:19] process of permitting and
[15:21] locating the 10, 10 new mobile
[15:22] homes. Excuse me, manufactured
[15:26] homes on the lot. City staff
[15:27] notified the applicant that
[15:28] the men you've actually homes
[15:33] were not allowed anymore. And
[15:34] they have lost their non
[15:37] conformed legal nonconforming
[15:38] use because the previous units
[15:41] were removed. And it had been
[15:46] longer than 12 months. To
[15:47] retain the units and proceed
[15:48] with permitting. The applicant
[15:51] is now seeking a rezoning to
[15:56] see 3 s up with a special use
[15:57] overlay to allow manufactured
[15:58] homes on the property which
[15:59] would maintain the uses
[16:00] currently allowed under the
[16:05] Sea. 3 zoning and also at that
[16:06] one use of manufactured homes
[16:10] as an additional approved use.
[16:13] Approval of this rezoning
[16:14] request would legalize the
[16:15] manufactured homes that have
[16:18] been recently placed on the
[16:19] property and allow their
[16:22] continued permitting. A denial
[16:23] of the request would require
[16:23] the removal of the
[16:28] manufactured homes. The
[16:29] request would not be
[16:31] consistent with following
[16:35] actions of Envision New
[16:36] Braunfels Action. 1.5, which
[16:38] is promote economic centers by
[16:41] ensuring adequate parking for
[16:44] people visiting businesses,
[16:46] restaurants and shops action.
[16:47] 1.8 is to concentrate future
[16:49] investment in industry and
[16:53] employment centers along the
[16:54] I-35 corridor and action. 1.1
[16:58] 1, which is you know, update
[16:59] our policy in codes to achieve
[17:01] development patterns of this
[17:05] plant. Goal of plan and also
[17:06] balance commercial centers
[17:10] with stable neighborhoods. On
[17:11] the other hand, the request
[17:12] would be consistent with many
[17:16] of the housing supportive
[17:17] actions in Envision New
[17:18] Braunfels. And I've listen up.
[17:26] You here on this on the slide.
[17:30] Staff recommends denial
[17:31] envision New Braunfels
[17:33] emphasize the emphasizes
[17:34] preserving commercial uses
[17:35] within the c 3 zoning District
[17:37] and commission commercial
[17:39] corridors. If the commission
[17:40] is inclined to approve the
[17:43] rezoning staff does recommend
[17:44] a few conditions that are in
[17:46] the staff report. Couldn't
[17:49] read them here. A maximum of
[17:50] 10 manufactured homes allowed
[17:52] on the property, a screening
[17:53] would be required along any
[17:57] street frontage. And all homes
[17:58] must comply with Appendix b,
[17:59] which it are some code
[18:00] regulations and development
[18:02] standards for I'm a veteran
[18:07] home communities. Public note
[18:09] of notification included
[18:11] mailing notices to 19 property
[18:12] owners and staff received 3
[18:15] responses and paper which
[18:16] comprised 58% of the
[18:17] notification area. And there
[18:21] were of these response carts,
[18:24] it back in opposition. A super
[18:26] majority vote is not required
[18:28] for approval. A petition was
[18:29] email to staff after the
[18:32] agenda was posted that did not
[18:35] have any property owners
[18:36] addresses. Therefore, it was
[18:36] unclear if any of those
[18:38] individual signing or
[18:40] digitally signing that
[18:42] petition. We're within this
[18:42] 200 that notification buffer
[18:46] area. Thus in staff's
[18:47] presentation. And I'm here to
[18:49] answer any questions you MAY
[18:50] have for staff and the
[18:51] applicant is here, too. Make a
[18:55] presentation. I got a quick
[18:55] question.
[18:59] >> When your notification that
[19:01] you see 2 of 5, they were they
[19:02] were in favor of this tomb,
[19:04] those property. It is the
[19:05] applicant's, the owner of the
[19:10] property. Thank you.
[19:12] >> What was the notification
[19:13] that you received without the
[19:17] addresses and names of people?
[19:18] >> It was e-mailed to the
[19:19] planning commissioners. And I
[19:23] have a copy of it here. It's
[19:25] it's a Something called a jot
[19:27] for and maybe something that
[19:28] gets sent out to various email
[19:28] addresses. And then if
[19:31] somebody wants to. Acknowledge
[19:35] there, you know, decision they
[19:38] respond and it just has names
[19:39] and emails.
[19:41] >> With that sent and he was
[19:46] sent to Yes, in email. But it
[19:48] wasn't written from anybody It
[19:54] has p a it has names on it. I
[19:57] think I counted about 101 or 2
[19:57] names in opposition of it in
[20:01] opposition.
[20:02] >> So I think you names and
[20:04] emails on there. But he said
[20:05] there was no physical address.
[20:07] We can verify that they within
[20:08] the notification area. That is
[20:10] correct. Commissioner about
[20:15] But So if was a neighborhood
[20:16] behind the properties time
[20:16] Dolly and Douglas Fir came
[20:17] from there. But they recite a
[20:19] notation to correct.
[20:21] >> Some of them were there are
[20:22] some properties that receive
[20:23] notification cards in the
[20:24] mail. But none of those were
[20:29] returned.
[20:31] >> There's obviously not 100
[20:32] people in the notification
[20:33] area. So it stands to reason
[20:37] they can consider that.
[20:39] Weather situation purposes
[20:40] that they're not in nation,
[20:41] right? For the most part. I
[20:42] just can't confirm that. It's
[20:43] the neighborhoods that are
[20:46] shown on this map.
[20:48] >> I haven't really, but we
[20:49] didn't use a but we do need to
[20:50] consider. We do need to
[20:51] consider could possibly come
[20:54] from the neighborhood behind
[20:54] absent that we have to respect
[20:56] that. So 2 things, one, if you
[20:58] read at the very last page of
[20:59] that petition that was sent,
[21:00] there are comments from the
[21:02] signers on there. A lot of
[21:03] them reference the name of the
[21:05] neighborhood that they are
[21:06] from every day. And that's
[21:08] yes, that immediate area. So
[21:09] some of them, at least in
[21:11] their comments does at least
[21:13] see it. It's Highland Group
[21:14] anecdotally say that they're
[21:16] from there. But very if you
[21:17] could, could you just 4 maybe
[21:18] even just me personally, he
[21:20] back up and kind of just maybe
[21:21] try to best of your knowledge.
[21:24] Explain why city removed the
[21:25] manufactured homes from c 3.
[21:27] And what was the purpose for
[21:27] that?
[21:28] >> That occurred in 2 2020 12.
[21:31] And I don't know if anybody
[21:32] here might have
[21:36] >> exactly. That's
[21:37] >> I don't think any of us
[21:40] were here at that My
[21:41] assumption one just or I guess
[21:44] would be that and c 3 is a
[21:47] commercial district. It was
[21:49] expected that commercial use
[21:50] was was the preferred
[21:51] development height in that in
[21:55] that district?
[21:56] >> It MAY have coincided with
[21:58] a new district that only
[21:59] allowed manufactured homes as
[22:02] well. So maybe they were. The
[22:05] intent was to remove it from
[22:05] other zoning districts in just
[22:10] allow them in a certain.
[22:11] >> There MAY have been some
[22:15] changes in state law time. And
[22:18] eventually brings the
[22:21] >> Yeah, I apologize. I I
[22:25] isn't this a It is an rv park.
[22:27] It's just an park. It's not a
[22:31] jelly resort. I will let the
[22:32] applicant MAY be till the
[22:35] history of what type of uses.
[22:40] >> They've had in the past.
[22:41] Any other questions? I So how
[22:43] many current manufactured
[22:43] homes are on the property
[22:47] right now There's 10.
[22:48] >> There's And how much land
[22:49] is that incorporate in their
[22:53] property? You know?
[22:54] >> I would say that's almost
[22:59] 12 acres. Less than an acre.
[23:04] >> Were they put on without?
[23:06] Where they put on recently,
[23:08] assuming that could use Yes,
[23:09] it was been there for a while.
[23:12] Those all were removed.
[23:14] >> So I think there was a
[23:15] disconnect in it was difficult
[23:17] for the applicant to
[23:17] understand when their legal
[23:19] nonconforming use was going.
[23:24] >> going to end and when they
[23:26] purchase these units to
[23:28] replace it took about a period
[23:29] of time and all that the
[23:30] applicant speak to that that
[23:34] MAY have been. But they're as
[23:34] a player nonconforming. They
[23:37] weren't place there.
[23:39] >> With approval of the city.
[23:43] There are some that. Through
[23:44] the permitting process that's
[23:49] very hard find out the date of
[23:50] illegal not come for me
[23:51] because we would have had to
[23:52] have that information when
[23:54] they were removed. And so when
[23:59] the applicant. A pursuit
[24:01] permitting, there were a
[24:02] couple, maybe 2 or 3 that were
[24:07] permitted at a later date,
[24:10] staff was notified that these
[24:11] were removed in. They lost
[24:13] their legal non-conforming
[24:16] status. So we had to kind of
[24:18] backtrack you know, notify the
[24:21] applicant in writing that the
[24:22] previous permits that were
[24:23] issued were issued
[24:26] incorrectly. And that's how we
[24:28] are here today.
[24:29] >> Thanks to the permits were
[24:33] issued. There permits issued.
[24:34] >> There were permits issued,
[24:35] but there's a revocation from
[24:39] the building official.
[24:40] >> That once it came to light
[24:41] that they lost their legal
[24:43] non-conforming status.
[24:47] >> Permits for sot initiated.
[24:48] Prior to these being placed up
[24:51] there.
[24:51] >> I don't know the timing of
[24:56] the locating that.
[24:59] >> Is manufactured housing
[25:00] allowed under any zoning right
[25:01] now in our city of aside from
[25:04] as up obviously.
[25:07] >> believe it's allowed in the
[25:07] b zones.
[25:08] >> Yes, it's it's a lot of
[25:10] multiple districts. I don't no
[25:11] those off of you know, they
[25:18] alone.
[25:18] >> Manufactured homes on the
[25:19] property right now. Yes, there
[25:23] is. There's 10 Okay.
[25:23] >> And are you are where's the
[25:25] city aware of any new laws
[25:26] coming from that you might
[25:29] later that would. Us to deny
[25:32] this. Or prohibit us from
[25:35] denying manufactured. I just
[25:44] want make sure. Happens.
[25:47] >> To that all 10 permanent.
[25:50] >> There were only 3 that I
[25:50] believe were issued permits
[25:53] that were later revoked by the
[25:54] building building official.
[25:55] They would have to move all
[26:00] 10. They don't have a pathway
[26:01] to have been permitted as
[26:14] today. I guess maybe.
[26:14] >> I mean, it obviously has
[26:15] any questions. But here in the
[26:17] applicants. Nothing would be
[26:20] helpful, too.
[26:21] >> Yes, I'll go ahead and call
[26:29] them right now.
[26:30] >> You state your name and
[26:34] with your risen are non
[26:35] >> My name is Jamie. And here
[26:37] I am not a resident of New
[26:38] Braunfels and this has been
[26:39] currently with me. She is also
[26:40] not a resident New Braunfels
[26:43] representatives of the
[26:44] community. I do live in San
[26:44] Antonio, some at least semi
[26:48] close by Good Evening Chair
[26:48] Council, thank you for your
[26:52] time this evening. We want to
[26:52] discuss our plan to replace
[26:53] manufactured homes. It's under
[26:57] trees. Texas Hill Country. Our
[26:57] intent for the parcel is not
[26:58] to change anything in the
[27:01] approximate 11 acre parcel,
[27:01] rather, just replace
[27:02] manufactured homes that were
[27:04] previously on the property. At
[27:05] this time, we have no plans to
[27:06] add any new development that
[27:08] was not previously
[27:09] established. Our goal is just
[27:10] to restore previous used the
[27:14] sites. As a real estate
[27:14] investment trust. We will
[27:15] maintain ownership of the land
[27:16] regardless of the individual
[27:18] homes located on the property.
[27:19] Our preferred approach is to
[27:21] enter these homes into our
[27:22] home rental program that
[27:23] provides a quality and
[27:25] affordable living space while
[27:25] maintaining consistent
[27:27] ownership and management of
[27:28] the property are home. Rental
[27:30] program includes a formal
[27:31] application and screening
[27:33] process for prospective
[27:34] occupants. This allows us to
[27:35] evaluate applicants ensure
[27:38] that the homes are occupied by
[27:38] qualified individuals meters.
[27:42] That was rental requirements.
[27:43] We also performed annual
[27:45] inspections to ensure units
[27:46] are maintained and all
[27:47] property standards are met.
[27:48] Ultimately, our goal is to
[27:49] responsibly maintain the
[27:50] property, preserve its
[27:50] character, replace homes
[27:52] without introducing a new or
[27:52] substantial different used to
[27:56] the parcel. So I guess like
[27:58] part of the what I would say,
[27:59] part of the misconception
[28:00] about this is that we want to
[28:01] change the entire 11 acre
[28:04] parcel. We do not. If you look
[28:05] at the photo that we have,
[28:08] this is an old photo and its
[28:09] right off the second street
[28:10] there. There's like 10 sites
[28:11] right there to the right of
[28:14] the Second Street. The mh
[28:15] homes were there in the past.
[28:16] We just want to we're put. We
[28:17] put them back, right? It just
[28:19] took a little bit longer than
[28:21] right there. Thank you for
[28:22] ever We took a little bit
[28:24] longer than we originally had
[28:25] planned or that we knew about
[28:28] a year not conforming use. So
[28:30] we're not trying to take
[28:32] everything out and turn the rv
[28:33] park into a manufactured
[28:35] housing community. We just
[28:36] want to provide a different
[28:36] rental option for our guests
[28:43] to come. Enjoy our resort. So
[28:46] Sun is a company, I think is a
[28:47] good. It's important to talk
[28:47] about his U.S. As a company.
[28:50] We been around since 1975, you
[28:51] know, went New York Stock
[28:55] Exchange public in 1993. If
[28:56] 450 best-in-class properties,
[28:57] we pride ourselves on being
[28:58] the nation's premier owner and
[28:58] operator of manufactured
[29:01] housing, an rv and rv resorts.
[29:05] You know, we have 16 in Texas,
[29:07] 12 rv Resorts 12 rv resort
[29:08] sudden 16 manufactured housing
[29:09] communities with to a New
[29:11] Braunfels. So we do have a
[29:12] effective housing community.
[29:12] That's about 2 miles north of
[29:15] the subject. Property come
[29:17] out, farms and we bought
[29:18] Senator East country of
[29:20] mentioned Jellystone. It was
[29:20] jellystone in the past and
[29:23] sons Silver Star to a point
[29:24] we've gone through some
[29:25] changes corporate management
[29:26] re-branding. So that's what
[29:28] all the da's un names come
[29:29] from. But we purchased it in
[29:34] FEBRUARY 2016 285 sites and 52
[29:35] vacation rentals. The family
[29:37] focus property with indoor
[29:38] outdoor pools, volleyball
[29:39] courts, extensive events and
[29:41] activities that we want to,
[29:41] you know, should provide a
[29:44] good time for our guests.
[29:45] We're also committed to local
[29:46] outreach and giving back. So
[29:49] we host annual event with Camp
[29:51] Quality usa can't quality
[29:53] provides outdoor hospitality
[29:55] camping for, you know,
[29:56] families that are impacted by
[29:57] children with cancer. So we
[29:58] provide once it once a year on
[30:01] Thanksgiving. We have a
[30:03] weekend unity with our son
[30:04] Unity program which is are
[30:05] giving back program that we
[30:07] invite these families to come
[30:09] enjoy are camped out for free
[30:11] in it sits next weekend. It's
[30:11] really good for the soul of
[30:15] been to a couple of them. So
[30:16] we want to go through our
[30:17] timeline a little bit. You
[30:18] know, I know that was
[30:18] something that was just
[30:22] brought up. In DECEMBER. 25 we
[30:24] had a meeting with city
[30:25] representatives presented our
[30:26] plan to replace the
[30:26] manufactured housing,
[30:27] manufactured homes are removed
[30:30] from the property. We did not
[30:31] order the homes until after we
[30:34] had that meeting. Right? So we
[30:35] thought there were no concerns
[30:39] raised in that meeting we were
[30:40] ok to order them because we're
[30:43] replacing right. There was I
[30:44] think some representatives
[30:46] from net was at the and the
[30:47] you in New Braunfels utilities
[30:49] on the call. It was a team's
[30:54] call. Sorry, New Braunfels How
[30:55] General contractor who is in
[30:57] New Braunfels resident Adam
[30:59] Hatch and then his form and
[31:00] one couple representatives
[31:01] from signed the manager
[31:04] Michelle Guajardo Huzzah New
[31:05] Braunfels resident and The
[31:08] couple people from the city. I
[31:09] don't know the last name
[31:12] summer. Amanda were on the
[31:13] call and we were we were told
[31:14] that meeting that as long as
[31:16] we're replacing units, it was
[31:17] ok. So that was why we went
[31:19] ahead and ordered In APRIL.
[31:23] The homes began to arrive. We
[31:25] got our first permits and I
[31:26] think as mentioned, we got 3
[31:27] permits. One on MAY 28th one
[31:28] on JUNE 4th and one on JUNE
[31:31] 24th and then on JULY, the
[31:32] permits revoked while we had
[31:36] the other 7 in for review.
[31:37] Right? So we were we were not
[31:38] doing anything with the other
[31:38] 3 were waiting for the permits
[31:41] to come in. We also had 4
[31:44] applications on these already.
[31:45] So we had to guess that we
[31:46] were just waiting for the
[31:47] final construction to be
[31:48] completed, but we are ready to
[31:48] move into these homes before
[31:51] we got the revocation. We 4
[31:52] locations to are denied to are
[31:56] approved. So that we feel this
[31:57] was due to a timing
[31:58] technicality and not a
[31:58] substantial violation. We
[32:00] would have been within one
[32:01] year, we would have been fine.
[32:02] We would still had a
[32:02] non-conforming use for one. We
[32:07] remove them. This is the site
[32:08] plan. So this these time that
[32:10] we have here on the site's up
[32:14] in the front of the park. You
[32:15] know, that's the far end of
[32:15] the park away from the
[32:17] neighboring community in the
[32:19] back. It's right off the road.
[32:20] I think you said roughly sort
[32:21] of sat around 100 times today,
[32:23] but Rocky Road right off the
[32:24] front there. And then this is
[32:26] the floor plan and all this
[32:27] was presented at that meeting
[32:31] in DECEMBER. So very clearly
[32:32] it's a manufacturer House size
[32:36] in apartment size. We have
[32:37] some pictures. Obviously we've
[32:37] got some work to do. We
[32:38] stopped working as to when we
[32:41] got the revocation for her.
[32:42] The letter we stop that we've
[32:43] got landscaping work that will
[32:44] go in there and then finishing
[32:46] touch up. He says to to these
[32:50] homes. So there fantastic
[32:52] looking one of the things that
[32:53] we love about these homes
[32:54] compared to our views as we
[32:55] have control over the look at
[32:56] right? Like we maintain the
[32:57] standards, we maintain the
[32:59] curb appeal the guest pulls in
[33:00] with an rv. It could look 10
[33:05] times worse than this. In
[33:07] conclusion like our thought
[33:08] process here is is really we
[33:08] just want to replace what we
[33:11] have these 10. We're not
[33:11] looking to change our
[33:12] business. We're not looking to
[33:14] change the entire parcel. We
[33:15] just want to be able to
[33:17] replace the time that we have
[33:18] and keep you and utilize that
[33:19] and that we have already put
[33:20] in. Thank you guys for your
[33:25] time. Have a question.
[33:26] >> So you have the rv's which
[33:29] are short-term rentals, people
[33:31] who come in to enjoy the
[33:32] resort.
[33:32] >> Yeah, I mean, it's of x,
[33:33] right? We have people that
[33:34] like we have winter Texans to
[33:37] come down and stay long term.
[33:38] We have people that are
[33:40] short-term campers weekend
[33:41] week. It's a full max, but
[33:43] it's not long-term permanent
[33:45] rentals, not long-term
[33:45] permanent rentals. I'd say we
[33:46] don't have any long-term
[33:47] permanent rentals and then.
[33:51] >> Next to that, are these.
[33:52] Manufactured homes which are
[33:55] long-term meant to be
[33:56] long-term permanent rentals?
[33:59] Well, I think the way that we
[34:00] would address that is say we
[34:00] are a thought process is that
[34:04] their monthly?
[34:04] >> Right in their monthly
[34:05] rentals, right? You could rent
[34:06] it for a month. You could rent
[34:08] defer to our preference would
[34:10] be that are out housing.
[34:14] People move into Technically,
[34:14] yes, okay. And then on the
[34:15] other side of that.
[34:19] >> Is the actual resort. In
[34:20] the rv's, correct between the
[34:24] rv's in the resort. Perez, you
[34:25] are jealous. Know. A lot of
[34:27] jelly stone longer sunrun
[34:29] treats is our summer and a
[34:32] cable says Joe Yeah. We like
[34:34] be often used. Yeah, that's
[34:35] that's kind of what I was
[34:36] trying to say. This property
[34:37] has been I mean, we bought it
[34:38] in 2016. I think that it had
[34:39] to owners prior to that and it
[34:42] was a jellystone at one point.
[34:44] And so we've rebranded it to
[34:45] arson retreats model, which is
[34:48] a more of like the community
[34:50] rv park that we want to, you
[34:51] know, bring people together to
[34:51] enjoy the outdoor space, least
[34:56] owns the name of the Yeah.
[34:58] just led yes because it was at
[35:00] one time a But it is a route
[35:04] resort area on far side of
[35:04] the.
[35:05] >> So we've got rv's in these
[35:06] manufactured homes and then at
[35:09] a resort area and you have
[35:11] cabins on that resort redo.
[35:11] There are 52. And this is the
[35:15] way that the park.
[35:15] >> Did present itself and
[35:16] operate for many years. Again,
[35:17] there were manufactured homes
[35:20] there. This is not new.
[35:20] >> And in our in our industry,
[35:24] we have several communities
[35:25] that we own that are hybrid.
[35:26] That's what we consider
[35:27] hybrids that work in the rv
[35:32] and mh space. It's not
[35:33] uncommon that are re used to
[35:36] have. And short like weekend
[35:36] cabins.
[35:37] >> Yeah. For the most part, I
[35:37] would say that we have some
[35:38] people. It's a week to 10
[35:40] days, ok, what their vacation
[35:45] is, what plans? Meant to be a
[35:46] vacation And I could clarify.
[35:47] Commissioner, quick, do you
[35:48] have yearlong residents live
[35:52] in these? And these cabins
[35:53] where manufactured homes
[35:54] you're talking about, is there
[35:56] anybody that lives there?
[35:58] >> For 12 months for talk
[35:59] continues month. We don't have
[36:01] anybody in the manufactured
[36:02] homes. Now there. Yeah. We
[36:05] want talk about the future
[36:06] leasing releasing for long. If
[36:06] I want to come there, lived
[36:09] there for 12 months.
[36:10] >> Yeah, I mean, I think that
[36:12] was are give me a year That
[36:14] was our original plan, right?
[36:15] Where we're at the point right
[36:16] now where we're want to defer
[36:17] to you guys a little bit and
[36:20] and have have like a a
[36:22] discussion about our plan
[36:23] originally was to put them in
[36:25] what we call it a home rental
[36:27] program where they are
[36:31] essentially on we call because
[36:32] placement agreement because it
[36:33] they pay monthly unpaid
[36:37] electric bill.
[36:39] >> What is purpose? And those
[36:42] homes cause? Right now you are
[36:48] running a resort. Business
[36:49] model. Yeah. I mean, it sounds
[36:51] like you're kind of. Wanting
[36:52] to switch into getting into
[36:57] the residential.
[36:58] >> I wouldn't say that we're
[36:59] trying to switch and get into
[37:00] a residential development. I
[37:01] think for us it's about
[37:05] providing. Options for our
[37:06] guests, We have guessed that
[37:07] want to stay for a week. We
[37:08] have guessed that love this
[37:09] area and they want to live
[37:10] here and be here all the time.
[37:11] And we want to be able to
[37:12] provide both of those options
[37:18] to our guests. It's a it's
[37:19] big, many said it's a hybrid.
[37:20] This kind of hybrid property,
[37:22] right leg. Understood. Yeah.
[37:23] No
[37:26] >> Yeah. I mean, that's that's
[37:26] that's for us. It's it's about
[37:27] creating options and keeping,
[37:28] you know, business options
[37:28] open as well as what's the
[37:31] best thing for.
[37:32] >> What we feel, the guests
[37:32] for the for the area and for
[37:35] for business as well.
[37:36] >> So how long have the 10
[37:39] manufactured homes been on
[37:39] there?
[37:41] >> I think that it was they
[37:41] started getting delivered in
[37:42] APRIL. And the last one I
[37:43] think was delivered in
[37:47] Mid-JUNE before that as far as
[37:48] they were on their before. We
[37:51] bought the property in 2016.
[37:52] >> So there's been 10 minute
[37:54] fractured homes on the
[37:54] property.
[37:59] >> well, know how they They
[38:00] were removed, right? And like
[38:00] that's what this whole issue
[38:02] comes down to an r and as we
[38:03] are without with would not
[38:04] within that one year.
[38:05] Nonconforming space.
[38:06] >> But they had been there
[38:07] since before summer of the
[38:10] property in 2016.
[38:13] >> So they grandfathered
[38:14] grandfathered in.
[38:15] >> That is our understanding.
[38:16] Yes, essentially nonconforming
[38:18] among 4 news.
[38:19] >> So do you all know how long
[38:20] they've been all know how long
[38:23] they've been on this property.
[38:25] >> We don't have that
[38:26] information. Looked at aerials
[38:27] and I think they were as far
[38:30] back as we could look in their
[38:31] early 2, thousands. So they've
[38:33] been on there, at least I
[38:34] would say at least 20 years
[38:36] when we have paperwork from,
[38:36] we bought the property when
[38:38] that we have 3 addresses. One,
[38:40] 31 one, 41 1.51 and one. 41
[38:43] was called like Silver Star Mh
[38:46] Park and one 31 was one. 51
[38:47] were jellystone are Silver
[38:50] star or whatever. The middle.
[38:50] The middle parcel was an mh
[38:54] park at one point.
[38:57] >> So just to since they were
[38:58] grandfathered and it's because
[38:58] they remove them because they
[38:59] removed them for longer than
[39:01] one year. Yes. And now they
[39:05] have to start over. They don't
[39:06] have to start over is just
[39:09] there and they're not allowed
[39:12] use in in zoning banks. And so
[39:12] we don't approve this. It all
[39:16] just goes back to see 3. It is
[39:18] currently see 3 right
[39:19] continue. Yes, okay. So if
[39:19] it's not approved to react to
[39:22] remove the units we have about
[39:23] 1.2 million dollar investment
[39:27] in them right now. So you have
[39:28] 3 that a permanent that you
[39:31] brought in 7 more without
[39:32] permits.
[39:33] >> They were the all the
[39:33] permits were submitted at that
[39:37] point. In end, it said it's a
[39:38] hard balance when you do that
[39:40] because we have to order the
[39:41] units with the manufacturer.
[39:42] They have to produce them. We
[39:44] wait for delivery.
[39:46] >> You typically we can't
[39:47] permit them until they're
[39:47] delivered because we don't get
[39:49] a vin number are a number at
[39:50] all until they're delivered
[39:53] property.
[39:56] >> So you can't even get them
[39:57] from a to b for no. And I
[39:57] mean, that's you could have
[40:02] done was get this. The
[40:02] preconstruction meeting. And
[40:03] that's why what we thought was
[40:04] ok and that's why we want to
[40:06] order.
[40:07] >> So you're saying you met
[40:10] with the city? Everything's
[40:11] fine. What made it? One 2 men
[40:13] dollar investment and then but
[40:13] they're in there and then you
[40:15] get back no, no, never mind.
[40:15] They're no longer in
[40:20] conformance.
[40:21] >> Did you know about the year
[40:23] lapse time? We didn't know
[40:23] until we met with the city
[40:27] after they were revoked.
[40:28] >> Do we have an exact date on
[40:28] when they were because
[40:33] that's really the point right
[40:33] is it's not about historical
[40:35] use, but in 2012, the right
[40:36] for manufactured was removed
[40:40] from c 3. And so when
[40:40] something's removed its law,
[40:43] you have 12 months to do any
[40:44] type of stuff keep your
[40:47] conforming. So I mean, that's
[40:50] that was there beforehand
[40:53] before it was purchased. So
[40:54] the real is just when were
[40:56] they removed? And then that is
[40:57] the time frame to understand
[40:59] if it was 12 months or not.
[41:01] >> I think it was about it was
[41:03] within the year that they do
[41:04] the pre-development meeting
[41:05] and I has to beat it was
[41:07] around MARCH. So it they would
[41:11] you know, place the units by
[41:11] MARCH 2026, but looks like
[41:17] they missed it about a month
[41:18] or too, got just what it is to
[41:19] me from what I gathered and
[41:23] then hearing from you all.
[41:25] >> y'all ordered the new ones
[41:26] within the 12 time period.
[41:27] They were. They were ordered
[41:28] in JANUARY after the
[41:33] preconstruction meeting.
[41:34] >> And how many Dion have on
[41:38] the property? Now? We have 10.
[41:39] So they're all yelton were
[41:40] delivered by think like said,
[41:41] I think it was mid JUNE or
[41:45] early JULY. The last one came
[41:45] in.
[41:45] >> I'm new to this as well. I
[41:46] think it's I just moved to San
[41:49] Antonio in JULY. So the role.
[41:50] And so this might be a
[41:52] question for staff. But in
[41:55] this instance where they can
[41:56] with the manufactured home. I
[41:57] know with park models
[41:59] and staff as well used to have
[42:00] a vin number. And so you don't
[42:00] get that until you get the
[42:03] actual delivery of it.
[42:04] >> And what I'm hearing is
[42:05] that the process is that's
[42:05] when you can actually come to
[42:06] the city staff and permanent.
[42:10] Is there any? What the right
[42:13] word of the allowance for the
[42:15] fact that given the certain
[42:16] model the orders have to
[42:17] happen before that. So the
[42:19] order placement was in there
[42:20] nonconforming use. But then
[42:21] the permit falls outside of
[42:23] it. Because if that's the
[42:24] case, then they would have to
[42:27] order it like immediately and
[42:27] hope that they get a cause
[42:28] that could be completely out
[42:30] of their hands. On the
[42:31] delivery date. Sony's park
[42:33] models get super delayed. And
[42:34] if delayed a couple months
[42:35] than they might MISS Their
[42:36] permit window. So I guess
[42:40] that's really that crux of it.
[42:41] >> It ultimately up to the
[42:45] building official revoke the
[42:46] permits and it was decided
[42:48] that order for them to
[42:49] continue with the use, that
[42:50] they would have to go through
[42:50] rezoning.
[42:55] >> Okay. These 10 that you get
[42:55] there are ready. Are you
[42:56] planning on putting more out
[43:00] there if this passes? We had
[43:01] originally planned to replace
[43:02] another 10 in a different
[43:03] area. But we think at this
[43:03] point we're just going to
[43:08] stick to the Thank you.
[43:12] Clarify Zoning request. If
[43:12] it's approved.
[43:17] >> approved for all 11 point,
[43:18] whatever acres.
[43:20] >> a special use permit
[43:21] request so there can be
[43:21] conditions placed on the
[43:23] special use permit request.
[43:27] But right now as it stands.
[43:30] >> If it were proved they
[43:32] could put manufactured homes
[43:33] all over almost 12 acres.
[43:35] There were no conditions
[43:37] placed unless we put a
[43:39] condition for a limited to
[43:40] what's already now. Well and
[43:42] again, I think Jamie and I are
[43:42] here to say we heard Mary say
[43:45] that at the end of her
[43:46] presentation and at this
[43:48] point, we want to at least use
[43:49] those 10 that were delivered
[43:50] because we have a 1.2 million
[43:53] dollar investment in those.
[43:54] >> We are fine with absolutely
[43:55] stopping there looking at
[43:57] those conditions that were
[43:58] placed were happy with any
[43:59] riders that come to So you can
[44:00] just stick it and be done with
[44:04] it.
[44:09] >> For why given the confusion
[44:14] >> are recommending denial?
[44:16] >> So I would I would say, you
[44:22] know, our our recommendation,
[44:24] >> It sometimes tough for
[44:26] staff to make the to come down
[44:27] on one side or another. And
[44:28] this is one of those instances
[44:31] where it was not a.
[44:32] >> You know, is not black or
[44:37] white. Circumstance. So and in
[44:39] fact, that's why the report
[44:42] was crafted. The wind was too
[44:42] sort of balance that there
[44:47] are. Actions the comprehensive
[44:49] plan that that support the
[44:56] request. Are reviewing our
[45:02] consideration with the These
[45:03] residential products being
[45:07] removed from the zoning code.
[45:09] We felt that that was the
[45:10] direction that, you know, the
[45:15] city was. In the adoption of
[45:16] of those changes to the code
[45:19] that that the city was. In
[45:25] favor of that. That position.
[45:26] >> I think to suggest that we
[45:27] open up the public hearing and
[45:30] if we need to representatives
[45:33] come back, we come back. I
[45:36] think public hearing and I
[45:36] thank you here for many
[45:37] citizens are here to talk
[45:40] about it. It will open a
[45:41] public hearing for anyone that
[45:41] would like to come and speak
[45:47] regarding And we couldn't use
[45:48] a cell phone. Note here, is
[45:52] that okay?
[45:53] >> Okay. Curtis yanking I do
[45:55] live here and and Braunfels up
[45:56] in the Highland Grove area
[45:56] with one of those e-mails and
[45:57] names on that list. It's a
[46:03] real quick. It's a good
[46:03] evening. I'm speaking
[46:05] regarding special use permit
[46:07] for this. And my concern is
[46:07] not necessarily the
[46:09] manufacturing housing after
[46:10] hearing their story. I do feel
[46:14] for him a little bit, but I'm
[46:16] more worried about the
[46:18] cumulative impact of land use
[46:19] decisions on this area and the
[46:20] surrounding established
[46:21] neighborhoods and more than
[46:25] just a 200 feet. It is in the
[46:26] brothel, specifically calls
[46:28] for protecting the character
[46:29] intake, integrity and
[46:30] stability of neighborhoods and
[46:30] balance commercial centers are
[46:33] stable neighborhoods. The area
[46:34] has already experienced
[46:36] significant change, including
[46:37] MARCH homeless shelter nearby
[46:38] on the other side of the
[46:39] interstate. Now the city is
[46:41] considering allowing
[46:42] manufactured housing
[46:43] approximately 11 acres of sea,
[46:44] 3 commercial property along
[46:48] the I-35 corridor Senate
[46:49] stated his current team is
[46:51] only 10 manufactured homes,
[46:52] but the separate quest covers
[46:53] approximately 11 acres. I
[46:53] think you just kind of talked
[46:54] through there could be
[46:57] conditions on that. But that
[46:58] still raises an important
[46:59] question to the cep is
[46:59] approved. What prevents future
[47:00] expansion beyond those 10
[47:02] homes? And what is the city's
[47:03] intent based on their vision
[47:06] plan for this area? Retired
[47:07] after 31 years in the U.S.
[47:10] Army as a colonel. Chose New
[47:11] Braunfels and picked that area
[47:11] because of the residential
[47:14] rural area and what it looked
[47:16] like as I continue to watch it
[47:18] grow and watch things grow on
[47:19] the side of Mayfair and then
[47:21] things down here, it seems
[47:24] like this side of New
[47:25] Braunfels is getting homeless.
[47:26] Shelters manufactured homes
[47:28] and things like that. I'm just
[47:30] concerned that looking at the
[47:30] envision and where the
[47:33] future's going for this homes
[47:34] that are in Highland Road that
[47:36] are half a million dollars MAY
[47:36] have land value issues in the
[47:53] future. Any questions for e?
[47:59] Sorry the mic was off.
[47:59] >> Anyone else would like to
[48:02] speak. Please forward. If not,
[48:03] I will close the public
[48:05] hearing.
[48:06] >> Commissioners, I'd like to
[48:09] suggest. Hearing both sides to
[48:15] this. I think with Big. Works
[48:17] on both sides. And
[48:22] >> and the applicant's side.
[48:23] Just like to say that before
[48:27] we go any further. It suggests
[48:28] that if we were going look at
[48:28] any approval that we
[48:31] absolutely put Conditions that
[48:34] the only these thank you
[48:38] factor domes. Presented to
[48:41] commissioners, please.
[48:43] >> Someone from the city
[48:44] confirmed that vin numbers
[48:49] required. Required 2. Issue a
[48:52] permit
[48:56] >> The planning previously
[48:58] before it reconfigured in
[48:59] split into 2 to division
[49:04] departments I personally
[49:05] reviewed mobile home. They
[49:05] come, you we have all
[49:08] terminology mobile home
[49:09] permit. And it is true that
[49:13] there had to be a picture of
[49:15] the id number of that unit.
[49:18] And I recall seeing those in
[49:20] reviewing and that's before
[49:20] they're issued. So you have to
[49:26] have that.
[49:26] >> I think my biggest concern
[49:27] is because I know we lived on
[49:32] the east side. B-one got
[49:33] rezoned next. Our residential
[49:36] and Being in real estate. I
[49:38] saw the impact of that. My
[49:39] concern is if we have it,
[49:43] prove this. Kind of a lead.
[49:47] The doorway open. That if they
[49:48] were to come back in the
[49:52] future. It would be really
[49:55] hard to say, no, because
[49:57] there's already 10 on there.
[49:58] It's kind of like St ours. You
[49:58] know, once we open the door to
[50:04] that. It could lead to more.
[50:05] And seen, you know, given the
[50:05] voice of the residents all
[50:07] around it. We have to honor
[50:11] that. My heart goes out to you
[50:14] all. I hate the situation.
[50:16] Like how it all happened. I
[50:16] wish things could have been
[50:21] clear for y'all. I'm concerned
[50:22] with the big, you know, the
[50:23] future the big picture. And
[50:29] the fact that the city has.
[50:30] They're recommending denial. I
[50:31] think that's something to look
[50:35] at as well. For the strategic
[50:41] plan. And so.
[50:43] >> I think we have the image.
[50:43] And since he the letter of the
[50:45] law and the spirit of law.
[50:50] Being part month or 2
[50:52] difference between when you're
[50:54] informant win or not. And for
[50:55] months and if a delay in
[50:58] delivery appear units and you
[50:59] have that the permit of the
[51:00] unit there before you get the
[51:04] actually issue their vote
[51:07] >> yeah, I would hate to see.
[51:08] So this is this is a a small
[51:12] enough. Give.
[51:14] >> An area property that
[51:17] already had 10. You didn't. I
[51:18] think if we restricted to 10
[51:19] unit says planning staff has
[51:21] recommended. I'm not concerned
[51:24] about future this mean it.
[51:25] Future growth, Mult
[51:25] manufactured housing in this
[51:29] area. Because because of the
[51:32] restrictions of the U.S. Up.
[51:38] But do see harm. And this 1.2
[51:39] million dollars harm for any
[51:43] business on a technicality of
[51:44] a month or 2 of their on of a
[51:44] delivery date of unity. You
[51:47] have no control over. So I
[51:55] die. I'm going to vote
[51:56] approval of this with these
[51:56] restrictions that staff
[52:01] presented. Because of that. I
[52:03] think that this place where we
[52:07] can show a little grace and
[52:08] this instance My concern,
[52:10] though, is this is what's the
[52:11] future look like? And we've
[52:12] got a look down the road, its
[52:13] future. What happens when
[52:14] Winters making here?
[52:18] >> And I thinking about what
[52:19] we want. You both look like.
[52:22] 25 for 2 years from this,
[52:23] Yeah, decisions we make now.
[52:24] So PRESIDENT's there's been
[52:26] many a times over the years
[52:27] where we've done the phase
[52:28] will do it in phases phase 2
[52:28] never happens because you've
[52:30] got everything you the
[52:33] megastar in phase one and
[52:34] magically phase 2 goes away.
[52:38] My concern is. And I agree
[52:39] it's kind of us is biz staff
[52:42] food all around and like to.
[52:43] Accommodate. But my concern
[52:46] is. What happens a year for
[52:48] now. They come back and say,
[52:49] oh, now we want to do this.
[52:51] This and this and they want
[52:54] another special use permit.
[52:55] And maybe the board's
[52:56] different. I don't know that
[52:56] the Department of trying to
[53:02] make is. I agree it's a bad
[53:03] situation, but we've got look
[53:04] out for what want New
[53:05] Braunfels to be like in the
[53:08] future. If zoning says no
[53:12] manufactured homes. If we
[53:13] approve the tend to stay
[53:13] there, there's got to be
[53:17] something very. So this is
[53:18] nothing else happens here for
[53:23] me to support. As a have a
[53:25] question for the applicant and
[53:26] you really you have to get up
[53:28] predict how many, how many
[53:29] locations like resort still
[53:43] have to say, like in Texas.
[53:46] >> We have I mean, to to
[53:47] outside Dallas to in Austin
[53:48] and, you know, the closest one
[53:51] hears off 16. 0, 4, and San
[53:52] Antonio, one downtown San
[53:53] Antonio than 2 of her by
[53:55] Houston. And that's just the 9
[53:56] that we operate, the 9 that
[53:58] I'm responsible for. We also
[54:00] have 3 more that are like
[54:01] operated by a 3rd party that
[54:02] we own nose or jelly stones.
[54:04] Like you mentioned earlier.
[54:05] >> So they're places where
[54:07] these thank you. Factor homes
[54:09] could be placed if this were
[54:16] denied. Potentially. Thank
[54:22] right now is. I operate a
[54:22] business that deals with
[54:28] permits, different cities and
[54:28] and it's not it's not
[54:29] manufactured home. So I
[54:30] understand some of the process
[54:32] might be a little different.
[54:34] On her la Home building. But I
[54:35] know we don't we don't move
[54:40] without a permit. We do want
[54:40] to get situation. Got her
[54:42] house down. But on the flip
[54:46] side of that, once we have a
[54:48] permit, we rely on that good
[54:50] faith that we have a permit
[54:52] and we certainly don't know
[54:55] that can come back through,
[54:55] you know, code books from 10
[54:56] years ago, 15 years ago to
[54:58] ensure that the city staff
[55:00] issue the permits, correct. So
[55:05] my thinking right now. And,
[55:06] Ali, I'm not going make a
[55:06] motion was more discussion,
[55:08] but my motion would probably
[55:14] be 2. Honor. The 3 permits.
[55:14] And approve it for the 3 that
[55:18] were issued. You know, hope
[55:19] that the other could be
[55:19] relocated repurpose somewhere
[55:21] else. That's where my head
[55:24] that at the moment.
[55:25] >> 3 permits like and 3
[55:26] manufactured homes, the ones,
[55:29] the ones that worries you. But
[55:34] then I still remove 7 right?
[55:40] Of those 12. Have are those
[55:41] strictly manufactured-home
[55:43] subdivisions? Are they
[55:44] hybrids?
[55:45] >> So the 16 properties that
[55:46] we have there are many fashion
[55:47] housing are strictly
[55:47] manufactured housing. I would
[55:51] say of the. The 12 properties
[55:51] that we have that are like
[55:55] under rv division. I think 2
[55:55] of them are considered hybrid,
[55:59] too. To have the 2, 2, in
[56:00] Dallas are considered hybrids
[56:07] and and yeah, in a how many
[56:08] developments you'll have like
[56:11] this resort.
[56:12] >> In Texas or general in
[56:16] Texas, there be about 10. And
[56:20] 9 or 7 of those 10 we operate.
[56:21] 3 are operated through a 3rd
[56:24] party. Maybe you have more
[56:25] manufactured home subdivisions
[56:25] and you have resort, correct?
[56:28] So.
[56:29] >> And I know that be a cost
[56:30] to get at a cost to Acosta you
[56:31] got to find space if you got
[56:36] it. To me. I think that option
[56:41] for residents, the neighbors.
[56:41] Applicant for the end to
[56:44] event, we have? It's a big
[56:48] lump sum. Both sides.
[56:51] >> But I can see the clear
[56:52] business model vision that you
[56:53] all have is manufactured
[56:54] homes. I think my concern is
[56:55] as planning commissioners, we
[56:59] kind of have to see through.
[56:59] As to where we're heading.
[57:04] We're going. You know, act. I
[57:05] can see I can see all coming
[57:10] back. And saying can we do 10
[57:11] more are can we go ahead and
[57:15] just? Can we make this what we
[57:18] have the other 12? I mean,
[57:20] even I mean, parent would be
[57:21] really great. Yeah, I
[57:23] understand your concern and
[57:25] for us after what we've gone
[57:26] through in the situation is is
[57:28] not our intent at all.
[57:29] >> We're already discussing
[57:31] other options for what we can
[57:32] do in those sites where we
[57:32] would potentially have added
[57:35] 10 more right. We're talking
[57:36] about making premium the lead
[57:40] sites for rv's or Brianne Park
[57:41] model. Many you know, parking
[57:41] on the Adventure Park model
[57:42] homes as rentals like we've
[57:44] already started the discussion
[57:45] because we realized that we
[57:49] were outside of the the zoning
[57:50] on this. We didn't know until,
[57:51] you know, I came up here and
[57:52] talk to Mary in mid-JULY after
[57:58] the record revocation. I to
[57:59] make a decision on on any
[58:00] decision on what MAY happen or
[58:03] what could happen when we're
[58:04] >> deciding what they're
[58:08] asking for. Now be any change
[58:09] that they would be in the They
[58:11] would have to come in and ask
[58:12] again to change the U.S. Up
[58:13] from whatever it is. We decide
[58:18] to do here. And at that time.
[58:19] The commissioners at that Time
[58:19] City Council that time could
[58:20] vie way. What would be best
[58:22] for the community? Then they
[58:23] decide that. Yeah, that time
[58:24] that we MAY need 100
[58:26] manufactured homes. But they
[58:27] have to come in and ask for
[58:28] done for a case for that with
[58:33] at that time. I think making a
[58:35] decision now based on not
[58:36] facts, but what ifs. And you
[58:37] know what MAY happen in the
[58:37] future is a wrong way to
[58:41] approach us.
[58:44] >> But I've seen this, you
[58:45] know, after 4 years and the St
[58:47] ours and when we
[58:49] >> allow.
[58:54] >> a zoning change. We have to
[58:55] prepare ourselves for our
[59:03] future. So changes? Also think
[59:04] we need to deeply consider
[59:12] staff's recommendation.
[59:13] >> Come down on the side of us
[59:17] and isolated situation. Not
[59:22] entirely of they're doing.
[59:23] That that's the overriding
[59:29] principle for me.
[59:30] >> to hear a motion of any
[59:30] circumstance, you say final
[59:33] make a motion. So I'm gonna
[59:36] make a motion to. Secondary
[59:42] this. To approve the special
[59:44] use overlay. On the condition
[59:48] that it's for the 3
[59:49] manufactured homes that have
[59:54] that were issued permits.
[59:58] Every second. Quick question.
[59:59] Those 3 permits. Those do have
[1:00:02] the numbers are right.
[1:00:09] >> Yes, they do. Was that a
[1:00:14] second chance? Motion? And
[1:00:15] second could got a question
[1:00:18] real quick for a vote. So if
[1:00:22] this passes mean taking?
[1:00:23] >> Come back. And the
[1:00:23] manufacturer homes on the
[1:00:27] property. Sponsors means they
[1:00:38] are pulled the 7 out
[1:00:44] >> I mean, what the boss in I
[1:00:45] don't know that that's
[1:00:47] beneficial to because again,
[1:00:48] because we had a specific area
[1:00:49] carved out for these 10 units,
[1:00:52] you saw it on the sly.
[1:00:53] >> So many it looks very on to
[1:00:56] have 3 units up there that are
[1:00:57] sitting alone. So I don't know
[1:00:58] that it's beneficial for us
[1:01:01] just to do that. 3. And I do
[1:01:01] understand your concern
[1:01:04] because the basis of our
[1:01:05] business is where
[1:01:05] manufacturing housing that is
[1:01:06] 100% correct. That's how we
[1:01:09] entered the market many years
[1:01:11] ago. But we have one into the
[1:01:13] rv market and it is very
[1:01:14] beneficial for us. It's very
[1:01:14] beneficial for us because a
[1:01:17] lot of families starting
[1:01:19] resorts like the one we have
[1:01:20] down here and then they MAY
[1:01:22] end up in one of our 55 plus
[1:01:23] communities in Florida later
[1:01:24] they might tell a family
[1:01:24] member about us because we're
[1:01:27] a big name in this industry.
[1:01:28] Our intent is not to change
[1:01:30] this resort into that. We
[1:01:32] wouldn't even be standing here
[1:01:33] if there were units
[1:01:34] manufactured homes there
[1:01:36] before we wouldn't be here.
[1:01:36] This wouldn't even be a
[1:01:37] conversation if they were here
[1:01:41] before. Again, we we went to a
[1:01:43] meeting in DECEMBER of last
[1:01:45] year trying to clarify that it
[1:01:46] was ok because we know how are
[1:01:48] currently zoned. We didn't
[1:01:49] know that the mh units. We do
[1:01:51] know that the bump that we ran
[1:01:53] into, but that's why we have
[1:01:53] that meeting. And again, we
[1:01:54] wouldn't be standing here if
[1:01:55] we didn't have them in the
[1:01:58] past. And that's not that's
[1:01:59] not where we're going. I
[1:02:00] promise you. We don't have
[1:02:03] indoor polls and outdoor pools
[1:02:04] and activities programs and
[1:02:04] all of that typically for me
[1:02:09] communities.
[1:02:10] >> We have a motion and we
[1:02:12] have a second.
[1:02:14] >> One other point before we
[1:02:16] go, make sure we keep insight
[1:02:19] that is recommending body and
[1:02:20] the decision will be made by
[1:02:20] city Council for for the
[1:02:27] final. Action on this request.
[1:02:31] >> So we have a motion is that
[1:02:32] thank you for the questions.
[1:02:33] Would you take a roll call,
[1:02:34] please.
[1:02:35] >> Commissioner I Commissioner
[1:02:42] Rudy. Commissioner Taylor.
[1:02:44] >> Commissioner Mathis. I
[1:02:46] Commissioner Alan.
[1:02:49] Commissioner Henry.
[1:02:52] Commissioner brazen. Vice
[1:02:59] chair, also. Chair Sonia. 5
[1:03:03] yes's.
[1:03:06] >> The motion carries make
[1:03:08] sure you restricted to 3
[1:03:17] manufactured homes. It's up to
[1:03:23] 6. Dash, 2, 6, 1, Public
[1:03:23] recommendation to City
[1:03:29] Council. Requested by. It's a
[1:03:31] one. Real on behalf of 8, 3,
[1:03:36] 9, voices Street llc to
[1:03:38] rezone. Approximately 0.1, 7
[1:03:40] sense of an acre. But it was
[1:03:46] are edition. Lot of 5 lot, 9
[1:03:47] from art dash, 2 single family
[1:03:54] into family district. To see
[1:03:56] It's up commercial office,
[1:03:59] strict district with a special
[1:04:01] use overly to a lot of
[1:04:02] short-term rental residents
[1:04:04] currently addressed 8, 3, 9
[1:04:09] oasis Tree.
[1:04:10] >> The subject property is
[1:04:13] located on the north side of
[1:04:14] Oasis Street, approximately
[1:04:16] 125 the east of right street
[1:04:17] and the Oasis Street
[1:04:21] intersection. The law is
[1:04:24] approximately 0.1 7 acres and
[1:04:26] is developed with
[1:04:28] approximately 1002 1200 Square
[1:04:31] Foot House with 3 bedrooms and
[1:04:34] 2 bathrooms. Abutting land
[1:04:35] uses are residential with a
[1:04:36] warehouse located at the
[1:04:37] southwest corner of Right
[1:04:41] Avenue and Oasis Street and an
[1:04:42] automotive repair used at the
[1:04:42] northeast corner of right
[1:04:45] Avenue and Pine Street. The
[1:04:46] property is currently zoned r
[1:04:50] 2 short-term rentals are not
[1:04:51] allowed in a residential
[1:04:53] zoning district there for the
[1:04:54] property must be rezoned to a
[1:04:56] non residential district at
[1:04:57] the same time is requesting
[1:04:59] the special use overly to
[1:05:01] allow a short-term rental use.
[1:05:04] Therefore, the applicant is
[1:05:05] here requesting to change the
[1:05:07] base, owning a property of the
[1:05:10] property to commercial office
[1:05:11] district along with that
[1:05:14] special use over late the
[1:05:18] commercial office district at
[1:05:20] residential notably a
[1:05:22] single-family residence and
[1:05:23] also allows office uses at
[1:05:24] some light commercial uses by
[1:05:29] right? This slide shows the
[1:05:31] exterior and some of the
[1:05:32] interior of the house under
[1:05:34] the city's current as tr
[1:05:35] occupancy rules are residents
[1:05:39] of this size, a host up to 8
[1:05:40] occupants and is required to
[1:05:43] have at least 3 paved
[1:05:44] off-street parking spaces,
[1:05:45] which it does appear that the
[1:05:49] law can accommodate. The
[1:05:49] applicant has submitted a site
[1:05:52] plan and a floor plan that
[1:05:53] depicts the retention of the
[1:05:56] residential character of the
[1:05:58] structure and staff notes that
[1:05:58] any future changes to either
[1:06:02] this site plan or the floor
[1:06:03] plan would require amendment
[1:06:04] to this to the U.S. Up. If it
[1:06:09] is approved. The nearest
[1:06:10] existing short-term rentals
[1:06:12] are located approximately one
[1:06:13] block South West, which is
[1:06:16] about 700 feet away along
[1:06:18] Oasis Street. And it's and the
[1:06:22] property that property zoned
[1:06:23] industrial. Situated across
[1:06:25] from an existing warehouse. So
[1:06:31] staff notes that this cons
[1:06:32] context differs a lot with the
[1:06:36] current subject site which
[1:06:36] also sits in the middle of a
[1:06:44] residential block. There's no
[1:06:46] adjacent commercial or
[1:06:47] industrial uses immediately
[1:06:51] around the property. Staff
[1:06:53] recommends denial. The Co
[1:06:55] district is New Braunfels
[1:06:55] least intense commercial
[1:06:59] zoning district. It's. Mixed
[1:07:02] use. Character is intended to
[1:07:03] balance opportunities for low
[1:07:04] intensity, neighborhood skill
[1:07:07] and walkable commercial uses.
[1:07:08] While protecting the
[1:07:09] residential character of the
[1:07:10] surrounding neighborhoods.
[1:07:13] However, it because this
[1:07:14] subject property is mid-block
[1:07:17] in. It does have those
[1:07:20] adjacent residential uses. We
[1:07:22] staff feels like it would be
[1:07:24] dedicated to negatively
[1:07:28] impacting those properties.
[1:07:28] And a guest of short-term
[1:07:32] rental at this location would
[1:07:34] be required to drive into an
[1:07:34] existing intact residential
[1:07:38] neighborhood. The nearby
[1:07:39] short-term rentals that are
[1:07:43] located nearby. They actually
[1:07:47] are zoned industrial. So i
[1:07:47] just wanted to emphasize that
[1:07:48] and they have an existing
[1:07:51] warehouse across the street.
[1:07:51] If the commission is inclined
[1:07:54] to approve this request, staff
[1:07:56] recommends the following
[1:07:58] conditions, the residential
[1:07:59] character, the property must
[1:08:01] be maintained and the property
[1:08:02] will remain in compliance with
[1:08:05] the approved site floor plan.
[1:08:09] At this time me going to these
[1:08:11] notifications. Public hearing
[1:08:12] notices were sent to owners of
[1:08:16] 26 properties within 200 feet
[1:08:17] and staff received 4 responses
[1:08:19] in opposition. Accounting for
[1:08:23] 11% of the notification area.
[1:08:27] And one response in support.
[1:08:28] Unless the opposition
[1:08:29] increases a supermajority vote
[1:08:30] of city council would not be
[1:08:33] required to approve this
[1:08:34] applicants request. If you
[1:08:35] have any questions, I'm happy
[1:08:36] to answer regarding
[1:08:41] application. Commissioners,
[1:08:45] any questions for staff?
[1:08:46] >> Thank you quick. And is
[1:08:54] here to present.
[1:08:55] >> your name and whether a
[1:08:59] resident New Braunfels.
[1:09:00] >> Hi, my name is yet to come.
[1:09:00] One my non resident of New
[1:09:05] Braunfels. I am a resident of
[1:09:07] the como districts. Familiar
[1:09:07] with the area, but it's just
[1:09:11] outside city limits. Just a
[1:09:13] little bit of backstory with
[1:09:14] this property we have on this
[1:09:16] property since 2008 and its
[1:09:17] families throughout all this
[1:09:20] time. A couple of years ago,
[1:09:23] we decided to do every model
[1:09:24] lien on the property which
[1:09:26] turn out to be a beautiful
[1:09:27] Used to be super small. 2
[1:09:30] bedroom, one bath and we went
[1:09:31] through the whole process of
[1:09:32] permits and you 19 years all
[1:09:35] that stuff to make it. A
[1:09:39] really nice property after
[1:09:42] remodeling this property. We
[1:09:43] had one long-term resident. It
[1:09:46] was a business owner here in
[1:09:48] New Braunfels. Who leaves the
[1:09:49] property for about a year. And
[1:09:51] then after that, he bought a
[1:09:55] house, its been vacant since
[1:09:55] it's been really hard to lease
[1:09:59] a property. It's Bacon for
[1:10:02] almost a year and a half. And
[1:10:04] we still have a mortgage on
[1:10:06] the property. So at this
[1:10:07] point, we just want like at
[1:10:10] least some type of income. So
[1:10:15] we're seeing on this property.
[1:10:20] Fast forward to this year. My
[1:10:22] we are a family, you know,
[1:10:27] people forward to these year.
[1:10:30] My family and I kind of stay
[1:10:30] during the summer and
[1:10:33] altercations and we have
[1:10:34] always in love with the city
[1:10:37] of New Braunfels. I had a
[1:10:37] slide show, but I'm sorry. I
[1:10:49] think it's too late, too. That
[1:10:51] is not business and work. You
[1:11:06] can you a k project.
[1:11:10] >> So we basically made this
[1:11:12] property, the noises that New
[1:11:14] Braunfels because it is
[1:11:15] located on always history. It
[1:11:15] was we thought that he was a
[1:11:19] nice nice, though. I think
[1:11:20] it's going to be a great
[1:11:22] Airbnb because it's really
[1:11:26] centrally located in minutes
[1:11:29] away from water bar downtown
[1:11:29] local shops, the museum
[1:11:33] Buc-ee's another. Even I-35
[1:11:35] and basically like I
[1:11:36] mentioned, even when we get
[1:11:37] people from out of state, we
[1:11:38] usually bring them all the way
[1:11:39] to New Braunfels because we
[1:11:41] know the culture. We know
[1:11:47] vive. I always support local,
[1:11:49] you coffee shops and we love
[1:11:53] the festival. I'm just coming
[1:11:54] out of the routine from our,
[1:11:58] you every day they to they
[1:11:59] work. And then coming here
[1:12:02] just to connect with nature.
[1:12:03] With this Airbnb, I would like
[1:12:08] to help the community a our
[1:12:11] local tourism and creating and
[1:12:12] supporting more local shops
[1:12:13] and restaurants even local,
[1:12:16] you know, handyman Sen
[1:12:18] cleaning companies. I know one
[1:12:19] of the concerns for the
[1:12:26] neighborhood. Didn't one of
[1:12:31] the concerns is that. They
[1:12:31] don't they don't want, you
[1:12:35] know, people that are.
[1:12:36] Probably light drinking or
[1:12:37] partying are being loud
[1:12:39] because it is a really quiet
[1:12:39] neighborhood. All the
[1:12:42] neighbors are amazing. I
[1:12:42] wouldn't want to the survey
[1:12:46] any of these I have under
[1:12:49] their be there's a setting
[1:12:51] where you can either in stem
[1:12:52] book or you have to approve of
[1:12:53] the bookings. And this is what
[1:12:56] I'm planning to do. 2 approval
[1:12:57] of the book because even
[1:13:00] myself, I wouldn't want any
[1:13:02] party people or allow people
[1:13:03] in my house that might be the
[1:13:04] facility to trash the place or
[1:13:10] doing our furniture. The first
[1:13:11] few weeks that I didn't know
[1:13:15] we needed to do a rezoning. We
[1:13:17] had a a couple of guests that
[1:13:19] everyone was really happy. Not
[1:13:21] only with the house, but with
[1:13:22] the convenience that they
[1:13:24] didn't have to pay to 3 hotel
[1:13:27] rooms and they have those
[1:13:27] additional resources to
[1:13:29] support the local shops in New
[1:13:36] Braunfels. Do you have
[1:13:40] questions for me? How did you
[1:13:45] find out? I got a letter.
[1:13:47] Basically we went live for him
[1:13:49] and or be. And then after 2
[1:13:54] weeks they receive a letter.
[1:13:56] someone complain? No, I think
[1:13:59] it's I don't know. It's part
[1:13:59] of the
[1:14:00] >> of cd to monitor like other
[1:14:01] air Bnb. Is that going live on
[1:14:05] the city? And of course, know
[1:14:08] it's a lot to ask. You know,
[1:14:09] like we don't plan to sell
[1:14:11] this property, this is
[1:14:11] probably going to be one of
[1:14:13] those retirement homes because
[1:14:14] we really like the community
[1:14:16] and we love the city. So
[1:14:21] basically. If there's like in
[1:14:24] a condition that you allow me
[1:14:24] to the rezoning and even any
[1:14:28] moment. We decide to sell,
[1:14:31] they can cancel that. We don't
[1:14:38] want any profit. Basically.
[1:14:39] >> When was last time you
[1:14:43] tried to lease the property?
[1:14:44] Well, it's actually on the
[1:14:45] market for long term. But no
[1:14:51] luck. Do you know if you are
[1:14:57] overpriced? Yes, we are
[1:14:58] overpriced compared to other
[1:14:58] properties. But to be honest
[1:15:01] with you, this is a one unique
[1:15:03] property.
[1:15:03] >> Most of the properties
[1:15:05] around the neighborhood,
[1:15:05] there's Their 2 bedroom, one
[1:15:10] bath. Between a 10900 square
[1:15:12] feet. This is a 3 bedroom, 2
[1:15:14] bath and it's almost 1500
[1:15:16] square feet Icr 2300 a month.
[1:15:21] Yeah. That's probably it is so
[1:15:23] beautiful. Property is just
[1:15:23] and you know, like I said, we
[1:15:27] have a mortgage we actually
[1:15:27] thought about decreasing the
[1:15:31] price. And we did the crease
[1:15:34] surprise last It's just it was
[1:15:40] expensive. Still. I mean, this
[1:15:41] case. I know most of the
[1:15:42] families that where our guest
[1:15:45] on their bnb up, they were
[1:15:46] really grateful. The fact that
[1:15:48] like I said, they had more
[1:15:50] resources to spend in the
[1:15:53] community and that they have a
[1:15:54] private inconvenience place to
[1:16:03] just travel a lot and events.
[1:16:08] This is a public hearing.
[1:16:09] >> Anyone think speak in favor
[1:16:10] of this are opposed to Please
[1:16:13] come forward. Seeing none.
[1:16:16] We'll close the public
[1:16:17] hearing. Commissioners
[1:16:24] questions, comments, motions.
[1:16:28] >> My comments, I guess. They
[1:16:29] get think sympathize with the
[1:16:33] situation financially. I do
[1:16:36] think we have to. In my
[1:16:40] opinion set that aside. You
[1:16:41] know, real estate market as a
[1:16:43] whole is not what it was 4
[1:16:43] years ago.
[1:16:44] >> I think we have to be
[1:16:45] careful using that as a
[1:16:46] consideration because we can
[1:16:50] see this popping up.
[1:16:51] Especially given the current
[1:16:52] climate. So my thoughts on
[1:16:55] that.
[1:16:56] >> And a notification. There
[1:16:58] were some people neighbors are
[1:16:59] objecting to. Is that correct?
[1:17:05] Once on occasion, Mount. We've
[1:17:06] had a Cooper live applicants
[1:17:09] like this room. They were
[1:17:12] looking change it to we've
[1:17:13] discussed because it could
[1:17:13] also be changed into an
[1:17:18] office. Work goes over pretty
[1:17:22] extensively in the 2 years.
[1:17:23] >> So what's the distance of
[1:17:26] the close us str? Mary? 700
[1:17:29] feet.
[1:17:31] >> issue is this is big block.
[1:17:36] You know, are too
[1:17:37] >> That and the other str is
[1:17:40] in a different basis. Only in
[1:17:42] the light industrial zoning
[1:17:42] surrounded by light industrial
[1:17:44] commercial zone properties. So
[1:17:45] >> and what's the closest
[1:17:48] commercial to this? I know
[1:17:54] there's industrial.
[1:17:54] >> The closest commercial is a
[1:17:59] probably. 150 feet on the
[1:18:02] corner. And I think it's pine
[1:18:03] rise that auto shop there on
[1:18:07] the court. I have a question
[1:18:10] for the applicant.
[1:18:11] >> So what was vision or did
[1:18:12] John not know? Y'all just kind
[1:18:14] of got excited and started
[1:18:16] remodeling or I mean? Did you
[1:18:20] see yourself doing this?
[1:18:21] >> Well, our vision was to
[1:18:22] remodel and Lisa for a couple
[1:18:24] of more years until my father
[1:18:29] decided to retire. Which he
[1:18:30] says he's going to do any
[1:18:33] time. Some Bush think it keeps
[1:18:34] >> But it's been it's been a
[1:18:38] nice experience now that it's
[1:18:39] furnance.
[1:18:40] >> Like I mentioned, we
[1:18:44] usually come to 3 times a
[1:18:46] month with the family and we
[1:18:47] love to spend time. I mean,
[1:18:49] just passed everything, you
[1:18:52] know, like the water bar wine.
[1:18:53] We have a local coffee shops
[1:18:56] and is just the community. Do
[1:19:01] not intend to. I am 10 to
[1:19:02] continue with the values of
[1:19:04] the city of New Braunfels. I
[1:19:05] know how with space and that's
[1:19:06] one of the reasons why we
[1:19:06] don't want to sell this We
[1:19:07] don't want to be forced to
[1:19:11] sell Because we really like
[1:19:14] this So was an intention to
[1:19:15] move into the House full-time
[1:19:15] government.
[1:19:19] >> Yes.
[1:19:21] >> And I'm like I mentioned, I
[1:19:22] mean, I understand one of the
[1:19:26] concerns maybe with the with
[1:19:29] the neighbors could be like
[1:19:30] loud noises most of the
[1:19:32] advertising that I do. It's to
[1:19:34] welcome families. Like I said,
[1:19:36] I have to approve all the
[1:19:38] guest and not only that, we
[1:19:39] have security cameras to make
[1:19:40] sure that they we have house
[1:19:43] rules as well. That is they're
[1:19:44] not follow weekend,
[1:19:45] definitely, you know, just
[1:19:50] Macomb, you way. I mean, I
[1:19:51] understand this is like a
[1:19:54] huge. Steps in says, you know,
[1:19:57] far from. But it's in the
[1:20:00] middle of the street. But if
[1:20:01] there's any conditions, you
[1:20:05] know, far as being. Probably
[1:20:08] like, if the property cells
[1:20:09] within the one or 2 years, you
[1:20:10] know, we don't mind if you
[1:20:13] cancel this request. The
[1:20:14] change funding can go back to
[1:20:26] residential. To reopen at
[1:20:31] public. Yeah, be.
[1:20:36] >> I move or dial. Motion.
[1:20:37] Second, could we get a roll
[1:20:39] please.
[1:20:41] >> Commissioner Nulty.
[1:20:43] Commissioner Rudy.
[1:20:46] Commissioner Taylor.
[1:20:47] Commissioner Matt this. All
[1:20:50] right, Commissioner Alan.
[1:20:51] Commissioner Henry.
[1:20:54] Commissioner Brazier. Vice
[1:21:00] chair. Also. Chair Sunday. I
[1:21:04] >> motion is denied. Applicant
[1:21:06] or application is denied. It
[1:21:11] will go for us too. City
[1:21:17] Council me. Do you know when
[1:21:17] so weak to leave? That'll be