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Alright, welcome to the City

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of New Carrollton Council meeting Hybrid.

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Tonight is February 4th, Wednesday, February 4th, 2026.

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And I have no one in the audience here.

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Is there anyone with a hand raised online Maisha? No.

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That we can go right into our presenters.

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And the first one is Bolton, interview

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with Bolton Rewards.

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What? The super rewards.

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There's no one online with a hand raised.

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There's no one online.

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Not with a hand raised or anything.

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Oh, okay. Well, Maisha told me that. Mm-hmm.

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So we're gonna go to the Bolton's boat.

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Can you hook them in Maisha? Are they There

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Is someone From Bolton Rewards online?

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Maybe we should skip to the next person.

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The next person's scheduled

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for 20 minutes later. They're asking seven 30.

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Oh, Well,

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I'll take this moment just to excuse myself for a second.

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I need my glasses. Bear with me.

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Thank you.

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Well, I made it all the way from Florida.

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I'm 15 minutes from the house.

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It stuck in traffic on the beltway.

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Well, stay safe. I'm just shocked to see the snow.

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Yeah, if you drive on some

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side streets, you'll see a lot more. Yeah.

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Yep. I walk straight on.

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You'll see some as you pull into your neighborhood.

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Well, ma you'll know when they come on, right?

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We'll, if they do. Mm-hmm.

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So we can move to, um, item number six

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and do the council announcements while we wait.

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Okay. And I'll start with, uh,

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Brianna have any announcements to share tonight?

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Um, I don't have any announcements other than, uh,

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if you haven't heard

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and you're interested in knowing Prince George's County

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schools have announced they're gonna be on a two hour delay

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for the remainder of the week.

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It is. We are all hopefully optimistic that we'll go back

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to full-time school on Monday.

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Uh, please stay in touch with your county council

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or school board reps if you have any questions about, uh,

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after school activities, transportation or, uh, busing.

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Uh, but that's the only announcement I have.

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Okay. Uh, Cynthia, you have any announcements to share?

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Okay. First, I would like

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to say happy Black History Month, everybody.

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And secondly, I, I,

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I made the statement last night and the people made it.

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Again, we need to get those, uh, department education,

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not department, um, education, PG County

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educators back down there that, uh, discussed

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with us when we sold those schools to them

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so they could tell us what's the update.

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And, uh, like they said, the parking,

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the school thing and stuff like that.

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That's all.

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Okay. Agnel,

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if you're on, do you have any announcements for us?

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Yes. Good evening. Um, I want

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to publicize the city, the city council town hall

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on February 14 at two o'clock at the library.

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And god willing, I will be there in person.

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That's it, Mr. Chair.

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Okay. Outstanding. Lincoln.

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Um, I'm gonna go ahead of you,

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but we're doing council announcements

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because the first consultant hasn't shown up online

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yet, and it's gonna be virtual.

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Okay. So take take your time

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because I have a few announcements.

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March the fifth. I encourage the staff who can do it

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and the council members to participate

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and read across America at, at, uh, Carrollton Elementary.

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I think everyone's been invited.

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I know have I have been for the last 10 years,

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and I go and read to the kids.

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Always enjoy it. Read across America's March the fifth.

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If you've been invited, please respond one way or the other.

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And if you haven't been invited, you

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contact the people over there.

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And I'm sure you would like to welcome all of us.

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Um, council's schedule.

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Uh, I'd like to treat the selection

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of a consultant for the compensation study

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to be a dedicated meeting next week.

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We don't have any meetings scheduled,

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but I'd like to call on for Wednesday,

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February 11th at seven o'clock or one hour only.

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I think we can do it in an hour.

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And everybody voice the contractors

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they like and don't like.

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And let's get our views outta here

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and get ready for a vote at the

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legislative session next week.

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How's that sound? Oh,

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Okay. Wednesdays,

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Wednesday's my birthday.

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I was going out for dinner. How,

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what time would this be and how long?

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Seven. Seven o'clock for one hour.

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Cut right into your dinner. Right.

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Can anybody make it six? No.

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Uh, yeah, we can do six in that one.

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Make sure. Make sure, make sure. Well,

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Lincoln, Lincoln might have probably

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Six. Yeah, six is

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very challenging for me as well. Okay.

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What did you say? Virtual? Is it virtual or hybrid?

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I'm open to either, this is just for us to discuss this,

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but it has to be done in public setting. But

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Mr. Chair, do you really

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think it's gonna take an hour?

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I don't, but I like to allow time for people

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to voice their views.

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Um, I just feel like it could be an agenda

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item at the next meeting.

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I mean, I've been taking notes the whole time

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and so I'll be prepared to, to speak very quickly.

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Okay. Well, this is, uh, something i, I wanted to do,

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but maybe we shouldn't do it.

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So let's pass on that and we can discuss that later

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because I have one more announcement

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and then link into announcements.

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And you're with Bolton? Mm-hmm. Oh, welcome.

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Good to see you. Uh,

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I have a couple announcements related to the scouts.

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The, uh, the Secretary of War, PG said, came

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after the scouts today and said since they, uh,

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they admitted girls, they violated the DEI.

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So federal funding is cut off for scouts.

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Oh God. And if you don't think scouts

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are, I'm a scout assistant.

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Scoutmaster. If you don't think scouts are funded

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by the federal government, they're not a lot.

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But they do have a jamboree each year.

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And the jamboree is usually in the DC area.

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It's in West Virginia this year.

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And the federal government provides troops, tents, pots,

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army supplies and personnel to help with the scouts.

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that if you're gonna let girls into the scouts,

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that violates DEI.

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So that funding's cut off,

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but that's, um, I still think scouting,

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that's my announcement is it's still a good program

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that scouts meet on Tuesday night

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at the Elks Lodge in Kenworth,

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if anybody's interested in scouting.

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Which also leads me to something that, um, I won't be able

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to announce again at a council meeting

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because our next council meeting will probably be the

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Wednesday after the holiday.

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And on the holiday, which is what day is that? February?

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What's the, what's the holiday? Maisha? Yes. 16th, the 18th.

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The holidays the 16th. Oh, holiday.

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The 16th is a Monday

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and we're not gonna meet on the holiday.

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And then that 16th is the day

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that the scouts will have their annual chili supper.

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So that'll be at Elk Lodge from five until nine.

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And please feel free to come over and get a ticket

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and eat chili with the scouts.

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Read across America Scouts

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and we'll talk about the council thing later.

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Now that, uh, Lincoln,

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you have any quick announcements before?

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I actually don't have any announcements, Mr.

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Chair, other than to continue

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to be careful in this bad weather.

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I'm just gonna be very, very cold this weekend.

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So please chuck in your neighbors

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and make sure everyone's safe. Thank

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You. Thank you. And

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now we'll welcome Ton please.

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Where would you like me to?

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Uh, I think the podium's the best for everybody.

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The camera can pick you up

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there, if you don't mind standing.

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Is that okay? If you

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prefer to sit, we have lots of seats tonight too.

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I noticed that. So bad weather keeps people home.

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Do you have a presentation that you wanted to share on the

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Screen? You know, it, it's, we

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were told we have five minutes

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for a presentation and then it's q and a.

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So for five minutes it really didn't seem to make sense.

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Okay. Um, I'm more than happy to kind of speak

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to the project and outline those major.

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I was the one that sent those guidelines.

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'cause I really didn't want to go through the resumes

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and what the firm has done and the history.

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I wanted to hear what your approach was to the project.

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So I wanted go limit it to that.

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If you can't do that in five minutes, take a little longer

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and you have until at least seven 30. So,

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Um, well, I think, I think as it's,

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it's outlined in terms of the project steps that are there,

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the, uh, the way the request for proposal was written,

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it's fairly clear, um, what the, the, the goals are of the

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engagement and what the projects are.

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Um, I think for us, the the first piece project A,

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the actual employee pay audit,

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when we talk about the project planning for that, uh,

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I think a big portion of that's going

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to be working out the communication protocols, uh, for,

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for this, this project A, but then also for B and C as well.

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Um, I think part of the question for us will be, um, uh,

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what, what, what do we report to the council on

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and how directly, and then what do we report

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with administration on and, and how directly

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and how those two work together.

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Uh, we do this very frequently, um, as we're doing, uh,

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performance management

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or sort of process management for a city manager, you know,

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working with the council to help determine, uh,

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the city manager's, uh, performance for a year in pay.

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So it's, it's a common thing for us to understand how

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to balance out the, that relationship.

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So, um, the actual pay audit is,

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is really just digging in as was specified.

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Um, looking at the past several years in terms

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of what's actually occurred, uh, at the time,

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what was approved to occur, what the, the, the policy was

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and looking for deviations.

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And, um, part of that will also then trying to,

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to understand if there is a deviation, is there some,

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some time-based proration

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or some piece that's like that to it.

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Um, but ultimately being able to report back

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and, um, uh, be able to explain any deviations,

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but hopefully, um, hopefully give counsel, uh,

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some confidence that policy was followed and,

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and what what occurred was what was appropriate.

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Um, we'll come in with a very objective perspective on that.

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And, um, you know, for us, uh, we, we tend to prefer

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to be able to take resources

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and materials, uh, back to our shop to, to be able

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to work on our normal tools and those sorts of things.

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But not knowing data availability,

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the format it would be in some of those pieces.

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It might mean that we do need

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to spend a couple days on site here, uh, trying to, to work

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through the records today.

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Most records can be digitized if they're

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not already electronic.

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So it's easy enough to, uh, kind of work through that.

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communication protocol with that.

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And, you know, if we have trouble getting information, um,

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who do we turn to, uh, to, to really kind of push the issue

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to try and collect that data.

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Uh, at the same time,

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we would wanna start the organizational assessment.

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And my colleague from Matrix,

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I think she was planning on trying to be on

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with us about seven 30,

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but I'm more than happy to, to answer, um, the process.

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Uh, we actually worked a few, a couple years ago, uh,

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with Tacoma Park, uh, as I joined group, um, doing it

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as a broad organizational assessment and a classification

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and compensation program.

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Uh, we have assembled, uh, technical specialists, um,

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in Vance in law enforcement, uh, that are part

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of the Matrix team to do the organizational assessment.

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Uh, there's a lot of discovery

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with management and administration.

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Uh, I think this is part of

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what we would wanna understand is

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what role the council wants to play in sort

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of setting the stage in terms of service delivery, uh,

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expectation of constituents, those sorts of things.

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You know, it's, it's kind of an if then statement.

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You know, if if the council wants to be able

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to serve the community this way, then this is the way some

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of the service delivery should occur.

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So it's, it's not just there's one way to,

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to do this particular task.

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There's a lot of overlap, um, in the organizational analysis

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and the job analysis that we will utilize in,

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in the third project, which is the

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classification and compensation study.

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So, as we mentioned in, in the beginning, all

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of the projects won't finish at the same time,

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but we're gonna kick them all off this.

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So, you know, all of the, the benefit of doing the audit,

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we'll use that as part

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of the classification and compensation setting.

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So we'll be able to set up the routines

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to make sure we understand who's making what, you know,

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what the roles are and, and those sorts of things.

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So, you know, the key for us is,

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is I think the deliverables are fairly clear, is trying

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to get the project done efficiently

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from a financial perspective, which I think we proposed.

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Um, but also, so it, it, um, uh,

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is less of a burden on whomever's part of it for, um,

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the city, whether it's the council administration or,

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or supervisors, managers, um, those groups.

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So that's kind of our approach, you know, and,

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and what we're proposing, uh, would love to, to talk further

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questions and, and be able to, um,

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make sure there's a joint understanding for sure.

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Are are, excuse me, you're Dan.

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I'm Dan. Okay. Dan. Yeah, I'm sorry.

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I shoulda introduced myself. Yeah, I'm, I'm actually the,

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the president of Global Awards.

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Thank you. Did you come here from Townson?

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Um, I did. I did.

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I actually, I lived in Cincinnati, but

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whenever I, I I lived in Northern Virginia for a long time,

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so whenever I come back,

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I spend some time in our corporate offices in house. So

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I'm not gonna start with the questions, I just wanted

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to clarify who you were, and if somebody comes on at seven

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30, we'll make time to hear from them if they have things

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to, but for now,

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I'm gonna let the council ask some questions.

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Sure. And I'll start with, uh, Cynthia.

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Cynthia, are you prepared for open questions?

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She's getting a bath. What'd she say? She's

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Getting run by.

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She, Cynthia, miss Cynthia,

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you're on mute if you're talking.

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Cynthia was just in Florida, so she's

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Now, now can you hear me?

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Yes. Yes, we can. Oh, I was saying,

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I really didn't get enough information to ask questions,

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so I'll stay mute until I hear something

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Come out that I'm interested in. Thank you. Okay.

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I know ag acknowledge read this,

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Agnel, you have your questions Ready?

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Good evening. Um,

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I wanna refer the other council members to page 18

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of Bolton's proposal.

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Can you speak to the market survey

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and how you intend to conduct that,

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identify the peers

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and also the budgeted 20 hour,

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20 half hour meetings.

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Um, talk about those two components of the project please.

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So the, uh, 20 half hour meetings

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are, um, utilized.

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What are the terms that gets thrown around is a desk audit,

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but if, if we feel like we need to meet with an employee,

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uh, employee manager directly

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to make sure we understand the job, that's when we meet

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with the employee to make sure we

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understand what their role is.

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Um, it's hard to know how many of those we'll need to have,

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but as we looked at the, the, the budget, um,

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we included 20 of those.

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Um, as part of the scope of the study, uh, in terms

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of the survey process, we have something that's called our,

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our total rewards data exchange.

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And it's something that we use in the, um,

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the government sector.

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It allows us to, uh, get the highest level of participation.

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So we will work with you and,

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and this will be one of those communication questions.

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Um, how, how, who's, who has what input in terms of

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what the peers are basically, you know, um,

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I think we can come up with a starting point from some

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of our other studies, um, in the, the DC metro area.

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But certainly we would want, uh, council to bless and,

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and approve what that list is, um, who we're comparing to.

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And then, um, you may

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or may not want administration to have input.

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Uh, usually you do.

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Um, and certainly we would welcome that

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to understand who those peers are.

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Um, from a competitive's perspective,

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we actually will reach out to, there's 15 organizations

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that are going to be invited.

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Uh, we'll contact them directly, usually through their,

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their heads of HR or Chief HR officers

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and get from them person by person, pay data, you know,

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it's unidentified by name.

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Uh, but we get person by person information in terms of

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what their jobs are, departments are, pay rates,

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variable pay, um, a lot of those other components that,

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that allow us to, uh,

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really predict the market very accurately.

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Um, and, and from our perspective

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as compensation professionals in, in a,

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a very statistically valid way, um, as,

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as a, as an approach.

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Did that help answer the question?

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Yes. Um, in your experience, how willing are these peers,

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uh, willing to commit the time to move onto surveys?

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Because I understand this would be without any particular

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compensation to the organizations we would

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be reaching out to. Right?

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Well, there is, there is compensation in the sense

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that we will summarize the results at the end,

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and that way we would include data from, from the city,

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from New Carrollton and give them a participant's report.

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So they would get the results in a very summarized fashion,

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um, to, to be able to use for their own analysis, uh,

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if they wanted to do that, I will, I will say we're, we,

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we tend to be very good at it based on how we collect data.

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It's not a lot of matching.

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All they really have to do is get to know Bolton,

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and in this area, they will, so that they have confidence.

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We're gonna treat their data confidentially.

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Um, it's not going to get out to others.

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So from there, it's usually kind of a download of their,

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My friend.

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Good evening. Sorry, go ahead.

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No, I, I, I think, I think that was a, a good way to,

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to make me stop.

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That's good.

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Um, sorry, it was an interruption, uh,

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expected interruption here.

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Um, are you, I wanna let you finish

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before I do the follow up question.

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I think I did. Um, unless,

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unless I didn't answer your question.

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No, you did. Um,

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how confident are you on the timeline proposed of 12

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to 14 weeks in completing the three phases?

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Uh, I'm very confident based on those areas

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that Bolton has control over, um,

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there are certain areas like getting the,

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the management meetings scheduled, um,

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with the city administration and, uh, council members.

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Uh, certainly there are priorities other than the study

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that, that the city will have.

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And we can't force you to meet within

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that timeframe necessarily.

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So that's why we have the caveat around, you know, uh,

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scheduling meetings on a timely basis,

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providing information on a timely basis.

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And we're not looking for urgency.

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It's just you, you can't be strung out too far, for sure.

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Okay. And, uh, lastly,

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and, um, please excuse me if I'm not remembering the

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complete proposal, uh, completely or accurately.

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Do you, uh, provide any support

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after the final report it's delivered when the city

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is actually into the implementation

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of all the recommendations,

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or that would be an additional, uh, commitment task to

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engage Bolton with?

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We, we provide technical support, um, endless phone calls,

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uh, uh, in terms of, of, depending on

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what actually gets implemented in terms

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of the recommended compensation system or,

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or, you know, organizational structure

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changes, those sorts of things.

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Uh, there is a limit to that.

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And depending on what is needed, if, if it's a lot

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of hands-on or something, it is something

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that would be outta scope of this study.

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It's just too hard to predict, you know, ultimately

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what assistance the city would need.

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Um, either communicating the program, um, kind of getting in

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and, and looking at at other software solutions potentially.

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It's just, it's, it's such a broad scale, broad scope.

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It'd be very hard to get our arms

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around at this point in terms

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of financially what that would be.

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But what, what can you offer as part of the project

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if Bolton is engaged

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after that final report is delivered in some months

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or weeks go by

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and the cities into the getting ready

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to implement whatever recommendations

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As the city would be refining any particular

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recommendation we made and, and making it specific.

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Uh, we'll continue to have meetings, have discussions, um,

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you know, provide very quick, uh, email responses.

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All of those. We have probably have seven different, uh,

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clients right now that are sort of in that phase.

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And, um, those are all part of any ongoing relationship.

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So it's, it's helping them understand, um,

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the ways to communicate.

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We'll do a lot of review of communication materials.

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So, um, what I've found is it's usually, um,

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fairly clear to the client and, and Bolton,

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but fairly clear to the client,

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what's an actual more major task, you know, that

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that requires a, a, a lift

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and something that might be out scope.

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It's, it's usually understood.

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Thank you so much. Mm-hmm. Absolutely.

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And let me go to Lincoln. You ready? Lincoln?

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Any questions, Brian? Okay.

495
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Let Brian go last. Oh, okay. First one. Very good.

496
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Thank you, Mr. Chair. And thank you,

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Dan, for your presentation.

498
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I just have a couple of questions.

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Actually, my colleague took two questions off of my list.

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Um, but I noticed that you 40 years of experience

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and you have 150 member staff, which is really great.

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I was impressed by that. And you've also worked

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with municipalities here in Prince George's County already,

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including Greenbelt and Bowie.

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That was impressive to me as well. Is that

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Correct? Yeah, as

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well as, um, uh, I, I could number of, um,

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clients we have on the benefits

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and actuarial side, uh, are all over the area.

510
00:23:33,855 --> 00:23:36,675
Um, surprised that that, uh,

511
00:23:37,455 --> 00:23:38,875
is not one of our clients, frankly.

512
00:23:39,945 --> 00:23:40,235
Very,

513
00:23:45,295 --> 00:23:47,965
which I've probably heard a little bit about.

514
00:23:47,965 --> 00:23:49,765
What, I'm hoping that you can go into a little bit more

515
00:23:49,765 --> 00:23:52,765
detail, the comp managers database.

516
00:23:53,145 --> 00:23:54,805
Mm-hmm. As I understand it,

517
00:23:54,805 --> 00:23:57,885
there are 500,000 records in it based on what I read

518
00:23:58,105 --> 00:23:59,125
and your proposal

519
00:23:59,585 --> 00:24:03,125
and how it will help you complete the project here

520
00:24:03,125 --> 00:24:04,565
for the city council to move forward.

521
00:24:05,415 --> 00:24:09,195
So it'll be very specific, really, it'll be populated

522
00:24:09,195 --> 00:24:11,595
during the, um, the audit.

523
00:24:11,885 --> 00:24:15,835
We'll use data on employees jobs, uh, those sorts of things,

524
00:24:16,335 --> 00:24:17,555
uh, to bring it into it.

525
00:24:17,745 --> 00:24:22,395
It's a system that we use to, uh, classify jobs,

526
00:24:22,775 --> 00:24:26,875
uh, job descriptions if necessary, uh, to, uh,

527
00:24:26,875 --> 00:24:29,955
develop pay structures and grading and evaluation.

528
00:24:30,015 --> 00:24:33,795
So it's, it's, I like to describe it as a really,

529
00:24:33,795 --> 00:24:37,675
really robust, uh, Excel workbook, uh, with a lot of tables,

530
00:24:37,675 --> 00:24:41,435
but it's an access database, so it manages the data well,

531
00:24:42,055 --> 00:24:46,835
uh, we have those 500,000 records of published survey data,

532
00:24:47,055 --> 00:24:49,995
so we're going to do the custom survey of peers,

533
00:24:50,615 --> 00:24:52,435
and we'll bring those results into it.

534
00:24:52,855 --> 00:24:56,835
But already in the database, there's data from, um, uh,

535
00:24:56,855 --> 00:24:57,875
Willis Towers Watson.

536
00:24:58,185 --> 00:25:00,755
There's data from, uh, Mercer.

537
00:25:01,415 --> 00:25:03,435
We have the National Recreation

538
00:25:03,435 --> 00:25:07,755
and Parks Association, um, you know, for water utilities,

539
00:25:07,755 --> 00:25:10,715
for golf courses, um, all of these other sources

540
00:25:10,785 --> 00:25:11,955
that are already published.

541
00:25:12,375 --> 00:25:13,955
And then there is a, a, a source

542
00:25:13,975 --> 00:25:18,355
that's from the local HR association that is one of the best

543
00:25:18,885 --> 00:25:21,115
local sources that you could find around the country

544
00:25:21,535 --> 00:25:22,675
of the DC market.

545
00:25:23,135 --> 00:25:26,275
So for all of those jobs that, uh, are,

546
00:25:26,535 --> 00:25:30,195
are non-governmental, that, that might fit, uh,

547
00:25:30,205 --> 00:25:32,715
those are certainly some resources we could use to do

548
00:25:32,715 --> 00:25:34,035
that kind of matching as well.

549
00:25:35,125 --> 00:25:37,395
Thank you for the clarity in the detail response.

550
00:25:37,895 --> 00:25:40,475
The only question I have is, can you explain to me

551
00:25:40,475 --> 00:25:44,715
what the career stream whole job evaluation

552
00:25:44,815 --> 00:25:45,915
is and what it entails?

553
00:25:46,215 --> 00:25:48,875
It is a series of job, families and career levels,

554
00:25:49,255 --> 00:25:51,715
and it's what we use as a classification tool.

555
00:25:52,775 --> 00:25:57,365
So, um, we would start by, um, taking,

556
00:25:57,745 --> 00:26:00,325
you know, your, your head of finance, for example.

557
00:26:00,865 --> 00:26:04,125
Um, that role would fall into our finance family, um,

558
00:26:05,005 --> 00:26:06,995
based on the size of the city.

559
00:26:07,535 --> 00:26:09,715
Um, we know that would be a management role,

560
00:26:09,775 --> 00:26:12,555
but we have five levels of management

561
00:26:12,625 --> 00:26:14,875
that are progressively more responsible

562
00:26:14,875 --> 00:26:16,075
and have a bigger impact.

563
00:26:16,855 --> 00:26:21,075
So we would match your job to that level of finance.

564
00:26:21,575 --> 00:26:23,475
So a, a, a director level

565
00:26:23,695 --> 00:26:27,115
or certainly could be something more than that, you know,

566
00:26:27,115 --> 00:26:28,515
depending on how you treat the role.

567
00:26:28,905 --> 00:26:33,315
What that allows us to do is both match it to market as well

568
00:26:33,315 --> 00:26:35,515
as as developed career progressions.

569
00:26:35,975 --> 00:26:38,235
So, um, when, when Matrix,

570
00:26:38,375 --> 00:26:41,035
and I know Jen Winter is on the line now, um,

571
00:26:41,335 --> 00:26:45,005
as they do the, the, the, the organizational assessment, one

572
00:26:45,005 --> 00:26:47,245
of the things that we try and align are, are those,

573
00:26:47,255 --> 00:26:50,285
those management levels of, of department heads

574
00:26:50,345 --> 00:26:52,485
and size of departments, some of those scope items.

575
00:26:53,105 --> 00:26:55,405
And it fits in well with the, the level systems.

576
00:26:56,295 --> 00:26:58,105
When you get into support roles

577
00:26:58,325 --> 00:27:01,065
or individual contributor, uh, professional roles,

578
00:27:02,065 --> 00:27:04,705
it's a built in mechanism to help develop career levels.

579
00:27:05,575 --> 00:27:08,835
Um, it certainly, it needs to be balanced with, with budget

580
00:27:09,175 --> 00:27:11,675
and, and what's approved from a position perspective,

581
00:27:12,215 --> 00:27:14,555
but it does help align some career

582
00:27:14,665 --> 00:27:16,115
path and, and have that built.

583
00:27:17,205 --> 00:27:19,235
Thank you, sir. Yeah, absolutely. I have no further

584
00:27:19,515 --> 00:27:20,515
Questions, Mr. Chair, before

585
00:27:20,515 --> 00:27:22,155
I go to Brianna, Jen is on the line.

586
00:27:22,215 --> 00:27:23,215
Jen, can you hear us?

587
00:27:25,675 --> 00:27:27,865
Hello? Yes, I can. Thank you. Okay.

588
00:27:27,965 --> 00:27:29,785
And if you hear the next, we, two

589
00:27:29,785 --> 00:27:31,825
of us are gonna ask questions now, three of us already have.

590
00:27:32,205 --> 00:27:34,185
If you have Dan, if you want her to jump in,

591
00:27:34,185 --> 00:27:35,865
if she's the appropriate responder, that's fine.

592
00:27:36,165 --> 00:27:37,905
Thanks for being part of the conversation, Jen.

593
00:27:38,345 --> 00:27:40,785
I will go to Brianna. Brianna hasn't had a chance.

594
00:27:40,785 --> 00:27:41,945
Do you have any questions, Brianna?

595
00:27:42,365 --> 00:27:44,225
Yes. Uh, bear with me one second.

596
00:27:44,745 --> 00:27:49,185
I noticed in, uh, your, uh, project, uh,

597
00:27:49,825 --> 00:27:51,945
response that you've worked with a lot of our peer cities,

598
00:27:52,085 --> 00:27:54,305
uh, not peer cities, but neighboring cities such

599
00:27:54,305 --> 00:27:57,345
as Green Belt, Hyattsville, Laurel, Cal, Mar Manor,

600
00:27:57,345 --> 00:27:59,385
Riverdale Park, these are University Park,

601
00:27:59,385 --> 00:28:01,265
these are all towns and cities very close

602
00:28:01,265 --> 00:28:02,505
to us in proximity.

603
00:28:02,895 --> 00:28:04,745
What kinds of projects did you do for them?

604
00:28:06,885 --> 00:28:09,785
Um, it's, it's a, um, a variety of projects.

605
00:28:10,005 --> 00:28:12,225
Um, uh, certainly compensation.

606
00:28:12,725 --> 00:28:16,985
Uh, I know, um, matrix has done several projects including,

607
00:28:17,165 --> 00:28:18,505
uh, with Tacoma Park.

608
00:28:18,565 --> 00:28:20,345
And, sorry, Jen, I could've let you answer.

609
00:28:21,005 --> 00:28:24,305
Um, and then historically it could be a health

610
00:28:24,305 --> 00:28:25,505
and welfare consulting.

611
00:28:26,125 --> 00:28:28,385
Uh, or it could be, um, actuarial

612
00:28:28,385 --> 00:28:31,065
or investment consulting on, um, pension plans.

613
00:28:32,645 --> 00:28:34,585
Um, It would be any, any one

614
00:28:34,585 --> 00:28:36,385
of those within the, the, the services.

615
00:28:37,865 --> 00:28:40,355
Okay. Uh, is there any, Jen,

616
00:28:40,355 --> 00:28:42,475
do you have any more detail potentially,

617
00:28:42,475 --> 00:28:44,195
because I do think that this is a,

618
00:28:44,355 --> 00:28:47,275
a huge advantage you have given, um, the proximity

619
00:28:47,745 --> 00:28:51,115
that those cities have to us, if the study is similar, that

620
00:28:51,705 --> 00:28:53,235
some of the work has been done already for us.

621
00:28:53,495 --> 00:28:55,755
Uh, Greenbelt is less than two miles from us.

622
00:28:56,275 --> 00:28:58,115
Riverdale Park is less than two miles from us,

623
00:28:58,295 --> 00:29:01,275
but if they were very different projects, I, I don't see how

624
00:29:01,275 --> 00:29:03,595
that would, I mean, that wouldn't weigh against you, but,

625
00:29:04,965 --> 00:29:06,505
Uh, yeah, most of the,

626
00:29:06,605 --> 00:29:09,025
the projects on our list were operational,

627
00:29:09,405 --> 00:29:11,105
so full management consulting studies.

628
00:29:11,565 --> 00:29:15,225
So the piece of it that we always do, um, independently

629
00:29:15,305 --> 00:29:16,665
as a management consulting firm

630
00:29:16,685 --> 00:29:20,065
or with Bolton, is the operational organizational

631
00:29:20,205 --> 00:29:21,345
and staffing assessments.

632
00:29:21,485 --> 00:29:25,145
So in some of those cases, our projects were, um,

633
00:29:25,305 --> 00:29:27,745
a much deeper dive into operations than

634
00:29:27,855 --> 00:29:29,025
what your scope requires.

635
00:29:29,025 --> 00:29:31,065
So we do, uh, a deeper comparison

636
00:29:31,125 --> 00:29:33,825
of best management practice process and operations.

637
00:29:34,165 --> 00:29:36,345
So that part would be a little bit different.

638
00:29:36,445 --> 00:29:38,345
Um, yeah, I don't think you're asking us to go into

639
00:29:38,345 --> 00:29:40,545
that level of detail, but the staffing and

640
00:29:40,545 --> 00:29:42,340
and organization is fairly similar.

641
00:29:42,465 --> 00:29:45,725
Um, again, I would say probably in most cases, a lot

642
00:29:45,725 --> 00:29:48,325
of those projects that are on our list were, um,

643
00:29:48,805 --> 00:29:50,285
probably a little bit deeper dives than

644
00:29:50,285 --> 00:29:51,565
what you guys are asking for.

645
00:29:51,745 --> 00:29:56,245
So when we get into, um, uh, complete resource and,

646
00:29:56,245 --> 00:29:59,125
and staffing analysis versus sort of like looking at the,

647
00:29:59,465 --> 00:30:03,005
at the gap comparisons, um, organizational, the,

648
00:30:03,065 --> 00:30:05,565
the primary task of organizational structure is very

649
00:30:05,565 --> 00:30:07,005
similar, very relevant.

650
00:30:07,345 --> 00:30:09,325
Um, in most cases, when we're looking at

651
00:30:09,325 --> 00:30:12,685
that organizational structure, we're looking for, um, just,

652
00:30:12,685 --> 00:30:14,805
you know, do the placement of functions make sense?

653
00:30:14,945 --> 00:30:18,205
Is span of control of supervisors adequate?

654
00:30:18,465 --> 00:30:21,565
Do, um, our positions set up, you know, that's where we work

655
00:30:21,565 --> 00:30:22,925
with Bolton to figure out, okay,

656
00:30:22,945 --> 00:30:25,205
do positions have the career progression that they need?

657
00:30:25,205 --> 00:30:28,205
Do we need to recommend some additional tiers to be able

658
00:30:28,205 --> 00:30:30,405
to allow for, uh, for career development?

659
00:30:30,745 --> 00:30:34,245
So I think the organizational review in the staffing

660
00:30:34,245 --> 00:30:37,125
oversight piece of it that you guys are requesting is,

661
00:30:37,125 --> 00:30:40,085
is very similar to what we did in most of those locations.

662
00:30:41,105 --> 00:30:43,915
Alright. And then the last question I have is, uh,

663
00:30:44,065 --> 00:30:46,675
it's similar to the question council member Mave asked

664
00:30:46,865 --> 00:30:48,315
regarding, uh, timeline.

665
00:30:48,855 --> 00:30:51,755
Uh, it says that, that there's three to four weeks for the,

666
00:30:51,935 --> 00:30:53,635
uh, employee pay audit.

667
00:30:54,075 --> 00:30:55,635
I actually think that that possibly could

668
00:30:55,635 --> 00:30:56,675
be done a lot faster.

669
00:30:56,815 --> 00:30:59,395
We don't have as large, uh, staff as some of these other,

670
00:30:59,495 --> 00:31:01,395
uh, peer like cities that you've worked with.

671
00:31:01,815 --> 00:31:04,995
And we use Paycom for our records management.

672
00:31:05,535 --> 00:31:07,075
Do you think that it'd be possible that

673
00:31:07,075 --> 00:31:09,155
that could be even more expeditious than

674
00:31:09,155 --> 00:31:10,235
your projected forecast?

675
00:31:11,595 --> 00:31:12,935
Um, it certainly could.

676
00:31:13,595 --> 00:31:15,815
It, it's not something I would commit to right now,

677
00:31:16,075 --> 00:31:17,375
you know, certainly 'cause we

678
00:31:17,375 --> 00:31:18,495
don't know what the records are.

679
00:31:19,075 --> 00:31:22,335
Um, but yeah, I mean, we will do it as expeditiously

680
00:31:22,355 --> 00:31:23,415
as possible for sure.

681
00:31:23,795 --> 00:31:24,855
Um, and,

682
00:31:24,855 --> 00:31:27,415
and I will say, uh, I don't know at

683
00:31:27,415 --> 00:31:30,335
what point you'd be ready to select and kick off, uh,

684
00:31:30,335 --> 00:31:32,495
but we, we do work to deadlines.

685
00:31:33,355 --> 00:31:35,975
So, you know, if there's, there's something pressing, uh,

686
00:31:35,975 --> 00:31:40,895
sometimes we can, um, get deliverables together, uh,

687
00:31:41,035 --> 00:31:43,895
not quicker necessarily for the full piece of that,

688
00:31:43,955 --> 00:31:45,215
but if there's some informational,

689
00:31:45,435 --> 00:31:46,535
uh, items that are needed.

690
00:31:46,715 --> 00:31:49,815
Um, the only thing I, I guess I've mentioned too, in terms

691
00:31:49,815 --> 00:31:53,975
of the local market, uh, I think the benefit really

692
00:31:53,995 --> 00:31:56,735
of having worked with the other organizations in the area

693
00:31:57,555 --> 00:32:02,375
is really our ability to, um, uh, get them to participate

694
00:32:02,955 --> 00:32:05,775
in survey, uh, that we have relationships there

695
00:32:05,835 --> 00:32:08,855
and we can, um, uh, work on those relationships.

696
00:32:09,175 --> 00:32:13,005
I think particularly with, with some of the operational

697
00:32:13,025 --> 00:32:16,565
and organizational studies, there's a tremendous, a lot of,

698
00:32:16,745 --> 00:32:19,285
uh, tremendous amount of really smart practice

699
00:32:19,305 --> 00:32:22,525
that's out there that that matrix has worked on from cities,

700
00:32:23,105 --> 00:32:25,285
you know, California, Oregon, um,

701
00:32:25,285 --> 00:32:28,365
certainly there's the conditions of being in Maryland and,

702
00:32:28,385 --> 00:32:29,805
and, and whatever that would be

703
00:32:29,805 --> 00:32:31,325
legislatively and operationally.

704
00:32:31,465 --> 00:32:34,565
But, um, I, I think that, that we're able to bring a lot

705
00:32:34,565 --> 00:32:38,365
of great ideas, um, outside of what Tacoma Park would have

706
00:32:38,505 --> 00:32:40,365
or, or Greenbelt.

707
00:32:40,465 --> 00:32:44,565
Um, and then, you know, interestingly enough, uh,

708
00:32:44,765 --> 00:32:46,045
I live in Cincinnati

709
00:32:46,145 --> 00:32:50,005
and I grew up really close to, uh, green Hills, Ohio,

710
00:32:50,255 --> 00:32:53,445
which is one of those, the, the three greens, you know,

711
00:32:53,445 --> 00:32:54,525
back, back from the day.

712
00:32:54,545 --> 00:32:55,545
So.

713
00:32:56,625 --> 00:32:58,555
Well, thank you so much. I don't have any other questions.

714
00:32:59,535 --> 00:33:00,555
All right. We've used up your

715
00:33:00,555 --> 00:33:01,635
time, but I have a couple questions.

716
00:33:01,775 --> 00:33:04,275
One, I'll start by complimenting you when I read this,

717
00:33:04,305 --> 00:33:05,395
I've read through six of these

718
00:33:05,815 --> 00:33:09,275
and I think this was, I found this concise right

719
00:33:09,275 --> 00:33:11,995
to the point on how you would attack each of our challenges.

720
00:33:11,995 --> 00:33:13,755
So thank you. I think you did an excellent job with that.

721
00:33:14,375 --> 00:33:17,845
Um, and you mentioned in responding

722
00:33:17,845 --> 00:33:19,805
to Brianna about anything that's pressing

723
00:33:20,185 --> 00:33:22,805
and when we would make the selection, just keep in mind

724
00:33:22,805 --> 00:33:25,485
that we have to approve a budget that begins July one,

725
00:33:26,025 --> 00:33:28,485
and we start working on it in March, April timeframe.

726
00:33:28,505 --> 00:33:30,005
We see it and start having meetings,

727
00:33:30,545 --> 00:33:34,845
and our budget is going to be detailed with line items

728
00:33:35,065 --> 00:33:36,085
for the different positions.

729
00:33:36,425 --> 00:33:38,565
And you'll be looking at salaries

730
00:33:38,905 --> 00:33:40,405
and we wanna budget salaries.

731
00:33:40,745 --> 00:33:43,325
So that would be something pressing as you do your work,

732
00:33:43,325 --> 00:33:45,205
that if you were coming up with recommendations

733
00:33:45,205 --> 00:33:47,045
that changed from what we've had

734
00:33:47,045 --> 00:33:49,485
before, we'd wanna know that, um, that,

735
00:33:49,505 --> 00:33:52,645
and then the, uh, the question I'd ask you to comment on is,

736
00:33:52,705 --> 00:33:55,805
um, you mentioned working with the administration

737
00:33:55,985 --> 00:33:58,525
and with the council, and you gotta work with the employees,

738
00:33:58,825 --> 00:34:00,725
but the stakeholders include the public too.

739
00:34:01,105 --> 00:34:03,805
So what's your experience with coming to a council meeting

740
00:34:03,825 --> 00:34:05,165
and sharing progress reports,

741
00:34:05,275 --> 00:34:07,005
even if it's virtually or sending Jen?

742
00:34:07,285 --> 00:34:09,365
I mean, is that something you can do too? Oh yeah,

743
00:34:09,365 --> 00:34:10,365
Certainly. Um,

744
00:34:10,365 --> 00:34:13,685
we regularly present on, on the backend more often.

745
00:34:14,585 --> 00:34:18,645
Um, we, um, I anticipate in this project actually

746
00:34:19,645 --> 00:34:23,085
treating the council from an interview perspective to, um,

747
00:34:23,185 --> 00:34:25,485
as we would, uh, the senior management team.

748
00:34:25,485 --> 00:34:27,685
And that, that doesn't happen, um, that often.

749
00:34:27,905 --> 00:34:32,115
But, uh, certainly reporting back, um, back

750
00:34:32,115 --> 00:34:33,915
for the public record, you know, uh,

751
00:34:34,575 --> 00:34:35,715
do that further regularly.

752
00:34:36,755 --> 00:34:37,905
Thank you for coming in person.

753
00:34:38,005 --> 00:34:39,665
We have you on our agenda as being virtual.

754
00:34:40,025 --> 00:34:41,865
I guess you meant Jen, but I'm glad you came up

755
00:34:41,865 --> 00:34:43,265
here to share with us.

756
00:34:43,535 --> 00:34:44,745
Yeah, no, I, it was an

757
00:34:44,745 --> 00:34:46,105
excuse to go to the corporate offices.

758
00:34:46,305 --> 00:34:47,345
I try and stay away. But

759
00:34:48,445 --> 00:34:49,545
You came from Cincinnati

760
00:34:49,725 --> 00:34:51,305
to Towson just to come visit with us.

761
00:34:51,585 --> 00:34:54,025
I came, I, I just spent some time in Towson,

762
00:34:54,245 --> 00:34:56,465
but you know, the, the whole wa Baltimore,

763
00:34:56,465 --> 00:34:58,105
Washington getting around, nothing's easy.

764
00:34:58,325 --> 00:34:59,945
So I didn't stay in your proposal.

765
00:34:59,945 --> 00:35:00,825
That does raise a question.

766
00:35:00,865 --> 00:35:01,945
I didn't see anything about travel.

767
00:35:02,365 --> 00:35:03,665
Towson to here is a commute.

768
00:35:04,295 --> 00:35:06,825
It's, it's part of the, the price fixed. Okay.

769
00:35:06,825 --> 00:35:08,065
Yeah. Okay. You don't need hotels.

770
00:35:08,065 --> 00:35:09,225
You don't need miles. No.

771
00:35:09,415 --> 00:35:10,745
Okay, We're all set. Alright,

772
00:35:11,105 --> 00:35:13,465
I think we've covered everything. Thank you for being here,

773
00:35:13,465 --> 00:35:14,465
Dan. Thank you for your time.

774
00:35:14,465 --> 00:35:14,785
Yeah.

775
00:35:17,595 --> 00:35:20,455
And then our next presenter is supposed

776
00:35:20,455 --> 00:35:21,655
to be virtual, correct?

777
00:35:21,725 --> 00:35:23,895
They're online. They're online. Okay.

778
00:35:24,435 --> 00:35:27,015
And shift gears in your thinking, counsel to

779
00:35:28,495 --> 00:35:29,535
BRC, is that correct?

780
00:35:29,675 --> 00:35:33,975
Second, BRC consulting. Outstanding.

781
00:35:40,095 --> 00:35:42,595
Are they connected? Did they spoke first?

782
00:35:44,545 --> 00:35:46,555
Good evening everyone. There we go.

783
00:35:47,725 --> 00:35:51,745
On behalf of BR, the BRC team, I would like

784
00:35:51,745 --> 00:35:54,425
to thank you all for speaking with us regarding this project

785
00:35:55,075 --> 00:35:56,425
initiative opportunity.

786
00:35:57,575 --> 00:36:01,675
At this time, I would like for you all to meet the BRC team.

787
00:36:02,585 --> 00:36:05,365
I'm Harold Cooper, chief strategy officer

788
00:36:05,585 --> 00:36:07,925
and lead consultant with compensation audits.

789
00:36:09,405 --> 00:36:11,615
Good afternoon or good evening. I'm Juanita. Morning.

790
00:36:12,035 --> 00:36:15,855
I'm lead consultant for the organizational assessment.

791
00:36:17,325 --> 00:36:19,495
Good evening. Um, Amir Aziz.

792
00:36:19,555 --> 00:36:22,095
I'm supporting HR compliance and employee relations.

793
00:36:23,885 --> 00:36:26,105
And good evening everyone. My name is Adrian Hibbert

794
00:36:26,165 --> 00:36:28,945
and I am communication strategist and technical writer.

795
00:36:30,975 --> 00:36:33,025
Good evening. My name is Beverly Cooper

796
00:36:33,445 --> 00:36:36,785
and I'll serve as your project manager for this engagement.

797
00:36:37,325 --> 00:36:40,785
My responsibility will be to lead coordination

798
00:36:41,245 --> 00:36:43,585
and make sure that there are, there is alignment

799
00:36:43,585 --> 00:36:45,705
through all phases of this project.

800
00:36:46,465 --> 00:36:49,025
I will also serve as your primary point of contact.

801
00:36:52,545 --> 00:36:56,975
Thank you, Beverly. So our project

802
00:36:57,335 --> 00:36:59,135
timeline is very seamless.

803
00:36:59,475 --> 00:37:02,695
Um, we decided that we wanted to do parallel work streams,

804
00:37:02,895 --> 00:37:05,855
ensuring comprehensive analysis while meeting your fiscal

805
00:37:05,885 --> 00:37:07,935
year 2026 alignment needs.

806
00:37:08,395 --> 00:37:10,815
Now we do have multiple tasks running concurrently.

807
00:37:10,955 --> 00:37:13,775
So we are going to do task one, task two,

808
00:37:13,775 --> 00:37:15,695
and task three side by side.

809
00:37:15,955 --> 00:37:18,135
And this accelerated timeline leverages our proven

810
00:37:18,145 --> 00:37:20,055
frameworks and experienced team

811
00:37:20,075 --> 00:37:21,975
to deliver actionable insights quickly.

812
00:37:22,595 --> 00:37:26,335
So we do know that there is, um, quite a few piece of data

813
00:37:26,335 --> 00:37:27,335
that we would need to collect

814
00:37:27,835 --> 00:37:29,415
and, um, we just wanna make sure

815
00:37:29,415 --> 00:37:32,495
that we have the in hand in order for us to move forward

816
00:37:32,925 --> 00:37:34,415
with, um, going through this process.

817
00:37:37,435 --> 00:37:39,575
Now, these are our milestones and decision points.

818
00:37:39,995 --> 00:37:41,935
We made them, um, very clear.

819
00:37:41,965 --> 00:37:45,055
It's about two weeks in between each one except for between,

820
00:37:45,235 --> 00:37:46,335
um, week five and six.

821
00:37:46,715 --> 00:37:48,935
And that's where we're going to draft deliver, uh,

822
00:37:48,935 --> 00:37:51,495
our reports delivered for initial review and feedback.

823
00:37:51,725 --> 00:37:53,535
Week one, of course is our kickoff meeting

824
00:37:53,755 --> 00:37:55,895
and we collect our data during that week.

825
00:37:56,435 --> 00:37:59,695
And then by week three we are going to do employee surveys

826
00:38:00,075 --> 00:38:02,295
and we're going to do the classification, validation

827
00:38:02,795 --> 00:38:04,335
and then draft reports.

828
00:38:04,435 --> 00:38:06,575
And then week six we're gonna do the equity analysis

829
00:38:06,575 --> 00:38:07,575
and benchmarking.

830
00:38:07,995 --> 00:38:10,735
And then by week eight we will provide a final report

831
00:38:10,955 --> 00:38:12,375
and the implementation toolkit.

832
00:38:13,915 --> 00:38:16,375
And now I'll hand this off to my colleague Harold

833
00:38:16,835 --> 00:38:18,655
to go over, um, each timeline.

834
00:38:19,265 --> 00:38:23,355
Thank you. Adrie Task one compensation audit.

835
00:38:23,905 --> 00:38:26,715
This is gonna be a four week process pertaining

836
00:38:26,715 --> 00:38:31,275
to the overall project in which we will gather compensation

837
00:38:31,865 --> 00:38:35,925
data, analyze that information, review policy alignment,

838
00:38:36,385 --> 00:38:37,885
and identify outliers

839
00:38:38,025 --> 00:38:39,605
and examine fiscal alignment

840
00:38:42,525 --> 00:38:43,905
in reference to task two,

841
00:38:44,445 --> 00:38:46,665
organizational assessment and timeline.

842
00:38:48,425 --> 00:38:50,245
That's gonna be a four phase approach.

843
00:38:51,275 --> 00:38:54,515
BRC will conduct interviews, review organizational charts

844
00:38:55,135 --> 00:38:58,755
and structure, and also look at it

845
00:38:58,775 --> 00:39:00,995
and evaluate alignment as it pertains

846
00:39:00,995 --> 00:39:02,835
to strategic priorities.

847
00:39:03,775 --> 00:39:07,075
We will also provide department level summaries

848
00:39:07,105 --> 00:39:09,635
that will lend to meaningful leadership discussions

849
00:39:09,655 --> 00:39:11,195
and positive change management.

850
00:39:11,925 --> 00:39:13,935
What we're trying to do here is to ensure that

851
00:39:14,775 --> 00:39:16,495
workload equity distribution

852
00:39:17,155 --> 00:39:19,375
is fair across all job classifications.

853
00:39:22,905 --> 00:39:26,055
Hello, At this time we'll transition to Juanita.

854
00:39:26,895 --> 00:39:29,405
Thank you, Harold. So, um, as far

855
00:39:29,425 --> 00:39:31,885
as the compensation study, it is eight weeks

856
00:39:32,385 --> 00:39:34,725
and we would begin with the data review

857
00:39:34,725 --> 00:39:36,685
where we take a look at external.

858
00:39:37,145 --> 00:39:40,285
Um, we conduct surveys in weeks two, and then weeks three

859
00:39:40,305 --> 00:39:42,445
and four are external benchmarking.

860
00:39:42,785 --> 00:39:45,365
And we also look at the internal equity

861
00:39:45,745 --> 00:39:47,325
and do some modeling on that.

862
00:39:47,705 --> 00:39:51,005
Um, week five is for the salary grade review and design.

863
00:39:51,425 --> 00:39:55,365
And then week six models, the implementation of the costs

864
00:39:55,665 --> 00:39:56,965
and different scenarios.

865
00:39:57,345 --> 00:39:59,045
Um, in the last weeks week seven

866
00:39:59,105 --> 00:40:02,565
and eight, they're dedicated to the report finalization,

867
00:40:02,695 --> 00:40:04,045
leadership briefings,

868
00:40:04,265 --> 00:40:07,325
and also any support materials to help guide

869
00:40:07,345 --> 00:40:09,045
and support rollout to leadership.

870
00:40:10,105 --> 00:40:14,005
Now in addition, um, these are the deliverables by phase

871
00:40:14,305 --> 00:40:16,965
and we wanna, I wanna talk about how we map them

872
00:40:16,985 --> 00:40:18,205
to each core task.

873
00:40:18,745 --> 00:40:22,885
So task one delivers a full compensation audit report.

874
00:40:23,345 --> 00:40:26,285
And then task two, we include the organizational summary

875
00:40:26,345 --> 00:40:28,525
sheets to provide department

876
00:40:28,665 --> 00:40:31,605
by department insights on the structure, role clarity,

877
00:40:32,065 --> 00:40:34,685
and also any opportunities for optimization.

878
00:40:35,265 --> 00:40:38,965
In task three, it produces the updated job classifications

879
00:40:39,105 --> 00:40:43,245
and also revised market competitive salary structure, um,

880
00:40:43,475 --> 00:40:45,405
with pay grade recommendations.

881
00:40:45,745 --> 00:40:48,925
And in our final phase, we provide an implementation tool

882
00:40:49,585 --> 00:40:53,325
and that includes any rollout guidance, any cost scenarios,

883
00:40:53,385 --> 00:40:54,605
the communication plans

884
00:40:54,945 --> 00:40:58,085
and strategies to maintain long-term sustainability.

885
00:40:58,545 --> 00:41:01,685
And each of these phases, um, along with the task,

886
00:41:01,695 --> 00:41:05,085
helps build toward an end-to-end solution that's clear,

887
00:41:05,085 --> 00:41:07,525
actionable, and ready for audit.

888
00:41:16,265 --> 00:41:19,455
Thank you for giving us this opportunity, um,

889
00:41:19,595 --> 00:41:21,095
to present to you this evening.

890
00:41:21,675 --> 00:41:25,775
Um, we're excited, um, about this transformative engagement

891
00:41:26,075 --> 00:41:28,295
and our team is ready to deliver insights

892
00:41:28,295 --> 00:41:32,135
and tools you need to build a more equitable, competitive

893
00:41:32,555 --> 00:41:34,845
and sustainable compensation structure.

894
00:41:35,425 --> 00:41:38,005
Um, we're ready to answer your questions at this time

895
00:41:38,345 --> 00:41:40,365
and we definitely welcome your feedback.

896
00:41:43,405 --> 00:41:45,615
Okay. So I'm gonna start with this time.

897
00:41:45,635 --> 00:41:47,775
We can go back to, um, Agnel.

898
00:41:47,835 --> 00:41:51,575
Are you ready for ERC?

899
00:41:55,005 --> 00:41:56,325
I need a few more minutes

900
00:41:56,905 --> 00:41:57,965
To review my notes.

901
00:41:57,965 --> 00:41:58,685
Cynthia? Cynthia,

902
00:42:03,395 --> 00:42:04,685
Cynthia on mute?

903
00:42:11,365 --> 00:42:13,745
Yes. Okay, well let's go to Brianna. Okay,

904
00:42:14,045 --> 00:42:15,045
I'm off mute.

905
00:42:15,215 --> 00:42:19,785
Cynthia, You say that some of some of the things

906
00:42:19,805 --> 00:42:22,065
to be working on at the same time, so like

907
00:42:22,985 --> 00:42:24,435
everybody has their own team

908
00:42:24,455 --> 00:42:26,595
to be working on certain subjects at the same time.

909
00:42:30,205 --> 00:42:33,665
Yes, I will. I will step in. Yes. Um, absolutely.

910
00:42:33,725 --> 00:42:36,625
So Harold and I talked about how there's eight weeks

911
00:42:36,645 --> 00:42:37,785
for the entire process.

912
00:42:38,285 --> 00:42:40,585
So he will be leading, um, the team as far

913
00:42:40,585 --> 00:42:41,705
as the compensation study,

914
00:42:42,125 --> 00:42:44,865
and I will be the lead on the organizational assessment.

915
00:42:45,245 --> 00:42:47,745
That's so we can work hand in hand in hand

916
00:42:47,765 --> 00:42:49,145
and in tandem with one another

917
00:42:49,525 --> 00:42:51,785
to not only ensure our guidelines are met,

918
00:42:51,785 --> 00:42:53,545
but that we're in sync with the information

919
00:42:53,545 --> 00:42:56,945
that we are gathering to actually support the process in

920
00:42:56,945 --> 00:43:01,025
full and ensure that we have a good robust process in order

921
00:43:01,045 --> 00:43:03,465
to deliver, um, the actual tools

922
00:43:03,645 --> 00:43:06,585
and good documentation as well as a great understanding

923
00:43:06,585 --> 00:43:08,665
of the organization and what needs to happen next.

924
00:43:09,845 --> 00:43:12,185
So when you give us a report, it'd be one big report

925
00:43:12,185 --> 00:43:14,025
where all of it combined.

926
00:43:16,585 --> 00:43:17,735
Carol, do you wanna answer?

927
00:43:17,735 --> 00:43:19,695
From my perspective, at the end of the day,

928
00:43:19,715 --> 00:43:22,455
we will deliver a full report inclusive

929
00:43:22,995 --> 00:43:25,495
of our recommendations and our findings,

930
00:43:25,515 --> 00:43:28,575
but there will be reporting in the midst of that,

931
00:43:28,725 --> 00:43:30,095
that might be separate,

932
00:43:30,555 --> 00:43:32,975
but at the end we will bring all of that together

933
00:43:33,115 --> 00:43:34,335
for a full presentation.

934
00:43:34,335 --> 00:43:35,335
And recommendations.

935
00:43:36,295 --> 00:43:38,735
Uh, yes. To piggyback off of what Juanita just stated,

936
00:43:38,825 --> 00:43:42,415
ma'am, there will be an executive summary, Madam Vice chair.

937
00:43:42,795 --> 00:43:46,215
And what we will have in that executive vice, uh,

938
00:43:46,765 --> 00:43:49,975
executive summary is a detailed analysis

939
00:43:50,395 --> 00:43:52,935
of all the sections associated with this process.

940
00:43:53,755 --> 00:43:56,095
In reference to the compensation audit piece,

941
00:43:56,095 --> 00:43:59,455
there'll be extensive data associated with

942
00:44:00,075 --> 00:44:03,495
how we came up with strategies that we're recommending

943
00:44:03,495 --> 00:44:04,575
that you all implement.

944
00:44:04,875 --> 00:44:09,015
And the same is so so for the organizational structure, uh,

945
00:44:09,015 --> 00:44:11,135
initiative that's outlined in this profile.

946
00:44:12,035 --> 00:44:14,815
All right, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

947
00:44:15,125 --> 00:44:16,295
Okay, thank you Cynthia.

948
00:44:17,275 --> 00:44:20,295
And let me, uh, lemme let Brianna go while I,

949
00:44:20,295 --> 00:44:21,575
now we still gather your thoughts.

950
00:44:21,575 --> 00:44:22,855
Brianna, you ready with questions?

951
00:44:23,275 --> 00:44:25,975
Yes, sure. Um, uh, good evening.

952
00:44:26,465 --> 00:44:28,335
Where are you guys located? Just curious.

953
00:44:29,655 --> 00:44:31,885
We're based in the metro Atlanta area.

954
00:44:32,595 --> 00:44:36,325
Okay. So I saw that travel, um, uh, costs in there.

955
00:44:36,385 --> 00:44:37,405
So you're not local.

956
00:44:37,945 --> 00:44:41,805
Uh, do you anticipate having to travel more than once, uh,

957
00:44:41,905 --> 00:44:43,125
to complete this assignment?

958
00:44:44,145 --> 00:44:45,965
Um, no. I don't anticipate that we'll have

959
00:44:45,965 --> 00:44:48,885
to travel more than once to complete the assignment.

960
00:44:49,855 --> 00:44:52,545
Perfect. And then, uh, I had one other question.

961
00:44:52,605 --> 00:44:54,065
Of course it's escaping me.

962
00:44:54,495 --> 00:44:56,225
I've been writing notes while everyone's been talking,

963
00:44:56,245 --> 00:44:58,305
and then I don't remember to write down what I wanna ask.

964
00:44:58,765 --> 00:45:00,225
Um, bear with me one second.

965
00:45:00,345 --> 00:45:03,545
I think I'll find it as I, uh, when I go back to

966
00:45:04,325 --> 00:45:05,985
the section I was looking at, um,

967
00:45:08,325 --> 00:45:09,665
if I don't find it, maybe,

968
00:45:09,715 --> 00:45:11,865
maybe Agnel has the same question as me.

969
00:45:12,365 --> 00:45:17,295
Uh, uh, bear with me a second.

970
00:45:21,335 --> 00:45:23,195
You know what? I can't, there was something that,

971
00:45:23,195 --> 00:45:25,915
that I saw in the presentation when I was reading it

972
00:45:25,915 --> 00:45:27,395
that I cannot recall right now.

973
00:45:27,555 --> 00:45:29,915
I don't remember being a very serious problem,

974
00:45:30,615 --> 00:45:33,915
but, uh, if I, if I come up with a question, I,

975
00:45:34,195 --> 00:45:35,875
I have all the ways to contact you.

976
00:45:35,895 --> 00:45:37,155
So thank you so much. Thank

977
00:45:37,155 --> 00:45:38,155
You. We, we can come back to

978
00:45:38,155 --> 00:45:39,195
you. Let's see if I acknowledge

979
00:45:39,195 --> 00:45:41,575
ready with her her questions.

980
00:45:43,345 --> 00:45:45,915
Good evening. Um, I would tell you that

981
00:45:47,075 --> 00:45:50,835
I love the detail of the deliverables

982
00:45:51,095 --> 00:45:52,835
as presented in your proposal

983
00:45:53,305 --> 00:45:57,795
because it gives, it gave me an opportunity to

984
00:45:59,135 --> 00:46:02,625
say those are the answers we're looking for.

985
00:46:02,935 --> 00:46:07,105
There's all these questions, um, that this council

986
00:46:07,925 --> 00:46:09,225
has identified.

987
00:46:09,845 --> 00:46:11,185
Um, and so

988
00:46:11,925 --> 00:46:16,425
having the deliverables map out so clearly

989
00:46:16,885 --> 00:46:21,865
by each of the tasks help crystallize

990
00:46:22,775 --> 00:46:26,465
that you organization your company,

991
00:46:26,965 --> 00:46:31,175
has a clear view of what we're looking for.

992
00:46:31,315 --> 00:46:35,415
And there's one sentence, um, particularly that I wanna read

993
00:46:35,415 --> 00:46:39,095
because it's something for us to all keep in mind, um,

994
00:46:39,225 --> 00:46:41,175
internally as we're working on this

995
00:46:41,235 --> 00:46:45,175
and how the three tasks are connected is the

996
00:46:46,155 --> 00:46:50,055
organizational assessment serves as the bridge

997
00:46:50,285 --> 00:46:53,615
between historical compensation practices

998
00:46:54,395 --> 00:46:57,375
and the future focus compensation study.

999
00:46:58,075 --> 00:47:02,095
So we need to know our history in order to plan our future.

1000
00:47:02,945 --> 00:47:05,095
We're interested in identifying

1001
00:47:05,245 --> 00:47:08,895
what happened in the past without assigning blame,

1002
00:47:09,245 --> 00:47:12,535
just knowing what was done and what can we do better.

1003
00:47:13,235 --> 00:47:17,295
And I think your proposal does address that.

1004
00:47:17,995 --> 00:47:22,375
Um, can you speak a bit into

1005
00:47:23,035 --> 00:47:25,935
how the market survey would be conducted

1006
00:47:26,155 --> 00:47:28,095
and the identification of peers?

1007
00:47:29,465 --> 00:47:32,645
Yes, Madam uh, Councilwoman, first

1008
00:47:32,665 --> 00:47:36,565
and foremost, we would take a deep dive into the existing

1009
00:47:37,365 --> 00:47:38,605
structure that you have now.

1010
00:47:39,105 --> 00:47:42,045
You have 30 pay grades, you have 25 steps.

1011
00:47:42,655 --> 00:47:46,325
We'll look at your total budget. I know that, uh, Mr.

1012
00:47:46,605 --> 00:47:49,205
Chairman stated that you all will be working on a budget

1013
00:47:49,465 --> 00:47:51,805
for the July 1st new fiscal year.

1014
00:47:52,105 --> 00:47:55,125
And what we'll do is we'll take a look at your positions.

1015
00:47:55,125 --> 00:47:56,605
You have 52 positions.

1016
00:47:56,895 --> 00:47:58,165
We'll take in consideration

1017
00:47:58,475 --> 00:48:00,605
that you have 17 exempt positions

1018
00:48:00,825 --> 00:48:04,365
and that you have 30 unified collective bargaining positions

1019
00:48:04,705 --> 00:48:06,645
and five non-exempt positions.

1020
00:48:07,185 --> 00:48:10,085
And we will look at where your current salaries are.

1021
00:48:10,225 --> 00:48:12,165
Now, one of the key things

1022
00:48:12,305 --> 00:48:16,365
to any market data study is looking at trends

1023
00:48:17,105 --> 00:48:19,445
in your area and nationally.

1024
00:48:19,905 --> 00:48:24,565
So with new Carrollton being roughly under 14,000

1025
00:48:24,645 --> 00:48:28,885
or maybe 14,000 citizens, we will look at cities

1026
00:48:29,105 --> 00:48:33,645
and towns of like size such as Oxen Hills, Maryland,

1027
00:48:34,075 --> 00:48:36,685
such as Fall Church Virginia, such

1028
00:48:36,685 --> 00:48:38,285
as Temple Hills, Maryland.

1029
00:48:38,785 --> 00:48:42,525
And we will take in consideration their population.

1030
00:48:43,545 --> 00:48:47,445
And when you do the aggregate, when you average it out,

1031
00:48:47,825 --> 00:48:51,605
that's just under 14,000 as a collective.

1032
00:48:52,295 --> 00:48:54,915
And we will look at their trends in terms

1033
00:48:54,975 --> 00:48:56,755
of their salary impact.

1034
00:48:57,005 --> 00:48:58,875
We'll look at the number of employees they have.

1035
00:48:59,295 --> 00:49:03,595
Is it on par with New Carrollton having 78 employees?

1036
00:49:03,925 --> 00:49:05,115
Those are the things we'll do.

1037
00:49:05,115 --> 00:49:08,235
We'll take the deep dive first from the local area,

1038
00:49:08,575 --> 00:49:13,175
and then we'll look at that like positions nationally

1039
00:49:13,915 --> 00:49:16,495
and, and do our aggregate and our comparisons

1040
00:49:16,715 --> 00:49:19,095
and synthesize the data at that particular point.

1041
00:49:19,555 --> 00:49:23,695
But we will also keep in mind that the budget is paramount.

1042
00:49:23,835 --> 00:49:26,055
And again, your biggest stakeholders

1043
00:49:26,115 --> 00:49:29,655
and your biggest resources are those 14,000 citizens

1044
00:49:29,655 --> 00:49:30,895
that make up new Carrollton.

1045
00:49:33,475 --> 00:49:37,385
Thank you. Um, my,

1046
00:49:39,225 --> 00:49:42,375
maybe not my last question, but my last question right now.

1047
00:49:43,115 --> 00:49:46,855
Can you clarify for me the total cost of your proposal?

1048
00:49:47,615 --> 00:49:51,095
'cause when I look at page 41 mm-hmm. I'm confused.

1049
00:49:51,915 --> 00:49:56,135
Um, first line of cost proposal in billing terms

1050
00:49:56,845 --> 00:50:01,055
says total 38,500.

1051
00:50:02,045 --> 00:50:04,695
Then there's a breakdown for each of the tasks.

1052
00:50:05,435 --> 00:50:09,645
And then I get a total that's 77,000.

1053
00:50:10,145 --> 00:50:11,765
So I do apologize for that.

1054
00:50:11,825 --> 00:50:16,045
We had, um, a, um, um, what do you call it?

1055
00:50:16,325 --> 00:50:20,495
A we had the, the calculator working there.

1056
00:50:20,595 --> 00:50:23,975
So the total cost of the proposal, we had a formula there.

1057
00:50:24,075 --> 00:50:27,685
I'm sorry, that's the word I was looking for is $38,500.

1058
00:50:28,275 --> 00:50:31,765
Okay. So instead of repeating that at the bottom, you know,

1059
00:50:31,825 --> 00:50:34,875
the formula calculated the three,

1060
00:50:35,215 --> 00:50:39,315
the the total plus the line item. So that was a mistake.

1061
00:50:39,375 --> 00:50:43,155
That's what I gathered, but I wanted a confirmation. Yes.

1062
00:50:43,295 --> 00:50:47,285
Um, was the paper said differently? Yes. So thank you.

1063
00:50:48,465 --> 00:50:50,485
Um, back to you Mr. Chair.

1064
00:50:51,625 --> 00:50:53,845
Uh, thank you. That's a big typo. Mm-hmm.

1065
00:50:54,935 --> 00:50:57,915
Um, but price isn't the only factor to see.

1066
00:50:57,935 --> 00:51:00,235
Who have I not heard from Lincoln? You have questions for?

1067
00:51:00,835 --> 00:51:02,615
Uh, thank you Mr. Chair. Thank you all very much

1068
00:51:02,675 --> 00:51:04,695
for your detailed presentation.

1069
00:51:05,275 --> 00:51:07,855
Um, I noted when I was going through your proposal

1070
00:51:07,965 --> 00:51:10,735
that the company was founded in 2021.

1071
00:51:11,195 --> 00:51:12,855
It sounds like you all are a fairly new

1072
00:51:12,855 --> 00:51:14,335
corporation, which is fine.

1073
00:51:14,795 --> 00:51:18,135
Um, no issues. But I wanted to know, have you worked

1074
00:51:18,135 --> 00:51:21,925
with other municipalities in the past on similar projects?

1075
00:51:22,385 --> 00:51:24,205
And if so, have you done any in Maryland

1076
00:51:24,425 --> 00:51:25,485
or Prince George's County?

1077
00:51:27,065 --> 00:51:30,765
Um, yes. We, um, are currently working on a project

1078
00:51:31,075 --> 00:51:34,485
with a, a housing authority in Connecticut.

1079
00:51:34,785 --> 00:51:36,805
We have not done any work in the Maryland

1080
00:51:37,025 --> 00:51:39,365
or Prince George's County area. Fair

1081
00:51:40,355 --> 00:51:41,355
Enough. Thank you for that honest

1082
00:51:41,355 --> 00:51:41,915
answer.

1083
00:51:42,615 --> 00:51:45,035
Um, and in my humble opinion, when I was looking at this

1084
00:51:45,655 --> 00:51:46,995
and, and I guess you're doing

1085
00:51:47,535 --> 00:51:49,035
all three tasks simultaneously.

1086
00:51:49,175 --> 00:51:51,795
Mm-hmm. It seems to me like eight weeks was an aggressive

1087
00:51:51,795 --> 00:51:54,035
time timeframe, which is fine.

1088
00:51:54,035 --> 00:51:55,515
And I'm, I'm sure that, you know,

1089
00:51:55,535 --> 00:51:56,835
you are capable of getting that done.

1090
00:51:57,135 --> 00:51:58,995
But what I wanna know is that your company's standard

1091
00:51:59,055 --> 00:52:01,675
for doing projects of this size and scope.

1092
00:52:03,295 --> 00:52:07,115
So we have our teams, um, that are set aside

1093
00:52:07,575 --> 00:52:09,395
to work on each phase of the project.

1094
00:52:09,815 --> 00:52:14,035
And so we are prepared, um, to meet the deadline

1095
00:52:14,455 --> 00:52:15,595
and to, uh, ensure

1096
00:52:15,595 --> 00:52:18,835
that all tasks are completed on time and within budget.

1097
00:52:20,125 --> 00:52:21,375
Fair enough. And last

1098
00:52:21,535 --> 00:52:24,375
but not least, is there a grace period or follow up period

1099
00:52:24,375 --> 00:52:27,975
after the final deliverables have been delivered for us

1100
00:52:28,035 --> 00:52:30,295
to ask questions about implementation

1101
00:52:30,395 --> 00:52:32,055
or anything that we may be concerned about?

1102
00:52:33,275 --> 00:52:36,615
So, um, if, if whatever questions you have, um,

1103
00:52:36,745 --> 00:52:39,935
after the project has been completed, we're,

1104
00:52:39,935 --> 00:52:42,095
we're definitely available to assist

1105
00:52:42,115 --> 00:52:43,695
and answer any questions you may have.

1106
00:52:44,555 --> 00:52:46,255
And there's no specific, um,

1107
00:52:46,405 --> 00:52:49,015
time period in which you can ask those questions.

1108
00:52:50,025 --> 00:52:51,475
Very good. Thank you very much. I have no

1109
00:52:51,475 --> 00:52:52,475
Further questions. Okay. And

1110
00:52:52,475 --> 00:52:53,275
I don't have any questions,

1111
00:52:53,275 --> 00:52:56,155
but Harold, I wanted to let you know that, uh, your response

1112
00:52:57,015 --> 00:53:00,555
to, uh, the stakeholders was an excellent response.

1113
00:53:00,555 --> 00:53:01,635
Something I'm gonna take into

1114
00:53:01,795 --> 00:53:02,915
consideration as we review these.

1115
00:53:02,975 --> 00:53:04,555
And I appreciate your thoughts on that.

1116
00:53:04,855 --> 00:53:07,235
And I also want you to know that I'll be considering, uh,

1117
00:53:07,285 --> 00:53:09,515
we've, we've spoken with some firms that are more local

1118
00:53:10,275 --> 00:53:12,015
and they may have some experience with Maryland,

1119
00:53:12,475 --> 00:53:14,695
but does the other side of that is somebody coming from a

1120
00:53:15,695 --> 00:53:17,695
distance may have an independent look

1121
00:53:17,775 --> 00:53:18,975
that may be beneficial to us.

1122
00:53:19,115 --> 00:53:21,255
So I'll be considering that. But I, that's all I have now.

1123
00:53:21,255 --> 00:53:22,975
Brianna, did you, did we trigger?

1124
00:53:23,315 --> 00:53:24,575
Yes, I did. Well,

1125
00:53:24,685 --> 00:53:27,085
Council member Malva was able to help me.

1126
00:53:27,425 --> 00:53:29,525
It was the question around the pricing and the numbers.

1127
00:53:29,595 --> 00:53:31,125
That was one of the questions,

1128
00:53:31,265 --> 00:53:33,205
but it, I do have one other question.

1129
00:53:33,785 --> 00:53:36,455
Um, and it's, it's a question slash comment.

1130
00:53:37,365 --> 00:53:40,735
What, uh, the catalyst for, for the council

1131
00:53:40,755 --> 00:53:45,295
to take this action was, uh, learning about the salaries

1132
00:53:45,475 --> 00:53:47,335
of the individual employees.

1133
00:53:47,475 --> 00:53:49,695
We manage the, the council in, in

1134
00:53:49,755 --> 00:53:51,215
for our city manages the budget,

1135
00:53:51,235 --> 00:53:52,375
we manage the purse strings.

1136
00:53:52,605 --> 00:53:55,535
However, uh, the way our budget was previously presented,

1137
00:53:55,605 --> 00:53:57,535
only the director's salary was listed

1138
00:53:57,915 --> 00:54:00,575
and all of the other employees salaries were listed under

1139
00:54:00,685 --> 00:54:02,415
like, kind of an umbrella employee

1140
00:54:02,695 --> 00:54:04,055
services for that department.

1141
00:54:04,315 --> 00:54:07,215
So it was hard to know who was earning what.

1142
00:54:07,715 --> 00:54:09,135
Uh, the council came

1143
00:54:09,135 --> 00:54:11,375
and said information at the beginning of this mayor's term.

1144
00:54:11,435 --> 00:54:13,575
And that was kind of what led the council

1145
00:54:13,595 --> 00:54:14,695
to wanna take this action

1146
00:54:15,035 --> 00:54:17,215
and to be point be frank, which you would be able

1147
00:54:17,215 --> 00:54:18,815
to see at any, uh, council meeting

1148
00:54:18,815 --> 00:54:20,175
that's taken place on the subject.

1149
00:54:21,125 --> 00:54:23,655
Many of the council believed that the salaries, uh,

1150
00:54:23,805 --> 00:54:27,495
from several, uh, employees are too high above market

1151
00:54:27,675 --> 00:54:29,735
or not, uh, in line with

1152
00:54:29,735 --> 00:54:32,295
what other professionals are earning here in the state

1153
00:54:32,295 --> 00:54:33,935
of Maryland or across the region.

1154
00:54:34,285 --> 00:54:37,095
Have you ever encountered that in your work previously

1155
00:54:37,185 --> 00:54:42,015
where the aim was to right size salaries down

1156
00:54:42,435 --> 00:54:43,575
as opposed to up?

1157
00:54:43,575 --> 00:54:46,055
Because I feel like the way the, the way the language

1158
00:54:46,055 --> 00:54:47,855
that you guys use talking about equity

1159
00:54:47,875 --> 00:54:50,415
and things like that, it, look, I think

1160
00:54:50,415 --> 00:54:52,015
that these things usually come from a place

1161
00:54:52,015 --> 00:54:54,175
of let's making sure we're competitive so that we can retain

1162
00:54:54,195 --> 00:54:55,655
and recruit the best employees.

1163
00:54:56,515 --> 00:54:58,935
We, we are coming from it from a different lens.

1164
00:54:58,995 --> 00:55:01,055
And so I just wanted to know if you could speak to that.

1165
00:55:02,155 --> 00:55:05,295
Uh, Madam Council, if I can interject, uh,

1166
00:55:05,795 --> 00:55:08,175
in my own professional experiences, I served

1167
00:55:08,275 --> 00:55:11,775
as the human resources director for Henry County Government.

1168
00:55:11,995 --> 00:55:15,455
It was the eighth largest county in the metro Atlanta area.

1169
00:55:15,875 --> 00:55:17,455
And we had those issues

1170
00:55:17,465 --> 00:55:21,735
where there was a huge disproportion in terms of salaries

1171
00:55:21,735 --> 00:55:25,375
and things of that nature where we had 1600 employees

1172
00:55:25,715 --> 00:55:27,455
and we had to address those issues.

1173
00:55:27,595 --> 00:55:30,695
So one of the things that we did was create

1174
00:55:31,615 --> 00:55:34,375
progression steps for those employees who needed

1175
00:55:34,375 --> 00:55:35,895
to be brought up to speed,

1176
00:55:36,395 --> 00:55:41,215
but also looked at reclassifying those positions

1177
00:55:41,215 --> 00:55:43,895
that we felt was at an exorbitant amount.

1178
00:55:44,435 --> 00:55:46,855
Now is that a difficult thing to do

1179
00:55:46,855 --> 00:55:48,095
because you have to have difficult

1180
00:55:48,095 --> 00:55:49,175
conversations with people?

1181
00:55:49,565 --> 00:55:51,975
Sure, but it was the right thing to do

1182
00:55:51,975 --> 00:55:56,175
because ultimately we have to put the taxpayers first, uh,

1183
00:55:56,275 --> 00:55:58,655
on a, in a different, uh, career lens.

1184
00:55:58,655 --> 00:56:02,655
When I served as a county administrator, I had

1185
00:56:02,655 --> 00:56:05,335
to do the same thing where there was a huge disparity in the

1186
00:56:05,335 --> 00:56:08,735
leadership pay in comparison to some

1187
00:56:08,735 --> 00:56:10,135
of the other classifications.

1188
00:56:10,195 --> 00:56:11,615
And we had to take a look at that

1189
00:56:11,955 --> 00:56:14,975
and say, Hey, our needs have to be our wants

1190
00:56:14,995 --> 00:56:17,055
and our wants have to be our needs in terms of

1191
00:56:17,945 --> 00:56:19,615
being fiscally responsible.

1192
00:56:19,995 --> 00:56:23,325
And what we did was we, we reclassified positions

1193
00:56:23,325 --> 00:56:25,125
that may have been directors

1194
00:56:25,125 --> 00:56:28,045
that probably should have been mid-level management

1195
00:56:28,325 --> 00:56:31,765
positions and looked at the job classifications

1196
00:56:31,865 --> 00:56:34,765
and the job descriptions to change them accordingly.

1197
00:56:34,765 --> 00:56:37,005
Because again, when you're doing a classification

1198
00:56:37,005 --> 00:56:39,925
and compensation study, it's all inclusive.

1199
00:56:40,115 --> 00:56:43,685
It's not just the pay grades and the steps.

1200
00:56:44,105 --> 00:56:46,085
It is taking a deep dive in those,

1201
00:56:46,115 --> 00:56:47,605
looking at those positions.

1202
00:56:48,025 --> 00:56:51,005
If it warrants doing a personnel analysis questionnaire

1203
00:56:51,335 --> 00:56:52,885
where you're sitting down

1204
00:56:52,885 --> 00:56:57,415
and doing desk audits with these employees, you do that

1205
00:56:57,955 --> 00:56:58,975
and then you do that

1206
00:56:59,635 --> 00:57:03,055
and you compare it to what the job really is entails

1207
00:57:03,475 --> 00:57:07,255
and what it's supposed to be in terms of job functions.

1208
00:57:07,715 --> 00:57:11,655
So again, you know, we understand that that may be

1209
00:57:12,255 --> 00:57:14,335
a task that is not comfortable,

1210
00:57:15,135 --> 00:57:16,795
but it's a task that's needed.

1211
00:57:16,895 --> 00:57:19,675
And ultimately it's a task that at the end,

1212
00:57:20,085 --> 00:57:23,715
those 13,544 citizens

1213
00:57:23,715 --> 00:57:25,675
that make up new Carrollton will be appreciative

1214
00:57:25,695 --> 00:57:27,835
of this council for doing such things.

1215
00:57:28,725 --> 00:57:30,035
Thank you so much. That's a great

1216
00:57:30,035 --> 00:57:32,275
answer. I have no other questions.

1217
00:57:32,895 --> 00:57:34,235
You know, I just wanna second that,

1218
00:57:34,235 --> 00:57:35,635
that was a great answer, Harold.

1219
00:57:35,635 --> 00:57:37,235
Thank you for your insights on that.

1220
00:57:37,295 --> 00:57:40,195
And, and the way residents have expressed it to me, Harold,

1221
00:57:40,195 --> 00:57:43,755
is if we have salaries that are above the market rates

1222
00:57:44,015 --> 00:57:47,435
or competitive rates, the extra money we're paying is money

1223
00:57:47,435 --> 00:57:50,955
that we lose in providing other services such as parks

1224
00:57:50,975 --> 00:57:52,795
and roads and things that we need money for.

1225
00:57:53,375 --> 00:57:55,395
So that it just needs to be addressed.

1226
00:57:55,735 --> 00:57:57,475
But thank you for that answer. I think that's,

1227
00:57:57,475 --> 00:57:58,475
And thank you Mr. Chairman.

1228
00:57:58,945 --> 00:58:00,435
Yeah, I think that's it.

1229
00:58:00,495 --> 00:58:02,915
And I really appreciate you all being with us tonight.

1230
00:58:03,325 --> 00:58:04,795
Sorry you couldn't come up with from Atlanta,

1231
00:58:05,095 --> 00:58:06,315
but when you're, when you're up here,

1232
00:58:06,495 --> 00:58:07,755
the travel costs are included

1233
00:58:07,775 --> 00:58:08,995
in the number you gave us, right?

1234
00:58:10,135 --> 00:58:14,755
The travel costs are, um, not included in the number.

1235
00:58:15,315 --> 00:58:18,355
I think, um, the traffic, it's listed somewhere else. Yeah.

1236
00:58:18,455 --> 00:58:20,315
It, it is listed somewhere else in the proposal.

1237
00:58:20,545 --> 00:58:22,715
Okay. Okay. I didn't see it, but that's okay.

1238
00:58:24,965 --> 00:58:25,985
Um, outstanding.

1239
00:58:26,195 --> 00:58:27,305
We're gonna let you folks go

1240
00:58:27,305 --> 00:58:28,705
and we have, we're almost on schedule.

1241
00:58:28,765 --> 00:58:31,305
We have another presenter at eight o'clock. Okay.

1242
00:58:32,375 --> 00:58:34,005
Thank you. Thank you all for this opportunity

1243
00:58:34,105 --> 00:58:36,885
and thank you for you do for what you do for the citizens.

1244
00:58:37,455 --> 00:58:39,605
Thank you sir. Thank You. Thank you for having us.

1245
00:58:40,355 --> 00:58:43,765
Alright, good evening. Alright.

1246
00:58:43,905 --> 00:58:44,365
We have

1247
00:58:45,885 --> 00:58:49,285
MGT, are they online?

1248
00:58:49,685 --> 00:58:50,685
Malaysia

1249
00:58:52,015 --> 00:58:54,835
Is someone from MGT Impact Solutions online?

1250
00:58:55,055 --> 00:58:56,515
Yes. Yes. Good evening.

1251
00:58:57,265 --> 00:58:57,555
Okay.

1252
00:59:06,145 --> 00:59:07,925
Are you ready for me to go ahead and get started?

1253
00:59:07,925 --> 00:59:09,045
Oh yeah, we're ready. And just

1254
00:59:09,045 --> 00:59:11,285
to highlight the instructions, I asked the administration

1255
00:59:11,425 --> 00:59:13,445
to give you some guidance that you try

1256
00:59:13,445 --> 00:59:15,805
to present your approach first

1257
00:59:15,985 --> 00:59:17,525
and in five minutes if you can.

1258
00:59:17,525 --> 00:59:19,365
And then give us more time for questions and answers,

1259
00:59:19,465 --> 00:59:21,045
but use your time accordingly.

1260
00:59:21,125 --> 00:59:22,845
We, we will be here to, to listen

1261
00:59:22,905 --> 00:59:25,805
and to respond to your, to your input. You ready?

1262
00:59:26,335 --> 00:59:29,685
Great. I am ready. Is it okay if I share my screen?

1263
00:59:30,005 --> 00:59:31,565
I just have a short PowerPoint.

1264
00:59:31,565 --> 00:59:32,965
I'll walk through and try to stick to

1265
00:59:32,965 --> 00:59:34,445
that five minute, five minute timeline

1266
00:59:34,825 --> 00:59:35,965
If you need a little more. What's your name?

1267
00:59:36,955 --> 00:59:38,575
Yes, my name's Rachel Scaggs.

1268
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I'm a vice president with MGT

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and looking forward to talking

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to you. Nice to meet you all.

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Okay. Um,

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it's not letting me share. Oh, here we go.

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At the bottom with the up arrow.

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Got it. We're teams, people. So then I'm sharing it here.

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I get confused. Can you see my screen now?

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We got it. It's kind of tiny,

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but we got it. There we go. Okay.

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Great. Alright. Good evening again.

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Thank you so much for allowing me some time to present.

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Really looking forward to this.

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Sorry, I was not able to be in person.

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We're all really busy with client work this week

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and I'm actually leaving to go onsite

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to a client tomorrow morning,

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so I couldn't attend in person.

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Really wish I could.

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01:00:23,865 --> 01:00:27,485
Um, but again, thanks for allowing me to be here virtually.

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01:00:28,265 --> 01:00:30,045
So I'm gonna skip over the agenda.

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I'm just gonna touch on a few things, uh,

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regarding our proposal

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and a high level overview of what we're doing.

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I think it's really important to note that, you know,

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at MGT our approach is always structured

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and data-driven and tailored.

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'cause every community that we work

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with is a little bit different.

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All of our work is for public sector entities and agencies.

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We work with, um, a variety of different local governments,

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county governments, nonprofits, special service districts,

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and we have to tailor our work to fit our clients' needs.

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'cause every community is a little bit different,

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but all of our work is structured and data-driven

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and we focus heavily on making sure

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that we establish a partnership

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and provide something that you're able to implement

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and use for a long time.

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We also emphasize transparency.

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We wanna be collaborative with the city staff

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and we also wanna adhere to any, um, applicable legal

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and regulatory requirements as well.

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I wanted to highlight some work

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that we've done in the region that you'll see up here.

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A lot of these were executive recruitment work

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and uh, studies, not necessarily classification

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and compensation, but other org assessments

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and executive recruitment work.

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So we work all over the United States

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and have, have done some work in your region as well.

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I'll talk a little bit about the scope and methodology.

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01:01:47,435 --> 01:01:49,935
So there's four separate tasks.

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They'll kind of, um, some

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01:01:53,355 --> 01:01:55,115
of them will overlap in what's being done

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and they'll sort of be done at the same time.

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But first task is the salary and pay increase audit.

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When we start a study,

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we always have a project kickoff meeting.

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That's where we really establish the team, the cadence

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of communication.

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We talk about the data

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and information that we're gonna need from you.

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There's always a huge data request at the beginning

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and we know that you and your staff and everyone's busy.

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But we do wanna make sure we get all that, that data

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and information up front so we don't have to bother that for

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or bother you for that later.

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So we have that data request.

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We establish a cadence of communication.

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We talk about the employee engagement,

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stakeholder engagement, what

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that's gonna look like throughout the process.

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And then we'll start that cola cost

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of living adjustment review, the salary audit.

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We'll put together recommendations.

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We'll provide an Excel model that goes through all of that

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01:02:44,185 --> 01:02:45,685
and looks specifically at those

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01:02:46,005 --> 01:02:47,165
increases and what they look like.

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And um, any recommendations from that.

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01:02:49,785 --> 01:02:51,205
So that's kind of the first component.

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The next two, task two and three we'll kind of go together.

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First is that org assessment.

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01:02:57,665 --> 01:02:59,245
But one thing that we always start

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with is determining a group of external comparables.

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And this is really important

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because we wanna determine a group of peers

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that are most similar to your city.

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So we're gonna look at things such as budget, employees,

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proximity per capita income, um,

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uh, there's other financial, I'm, I'm missing one right now,

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but there's a few other financial criteria.

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So we can really focus

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and look at communities that have a similar ability to pay.

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So we rank those using our methodology

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so there's a clear approach

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and communities that score the highest in our ranking

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or then the most similar to your city.

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01:03:36,835 --> 01:03:38,935
And we will, uh, propose those to you.

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However, then we meet with you to have a discussion on that

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because we also understand,

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although they might be similar based on those financial

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criteria, uh,

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there still might be other competitors in the market.

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And I know that RFP specifically mentioned looking at the DC

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Metro and we wanna make sure we include all the peers

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that you want us to evaluate.

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So we'll have that discussion with you.

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We'll start the organizational structure

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and workflow review.

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Employees will fill out and complete a job analysis

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questionnaire and we'll do that job data review.

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We'll use, um, those peers that we established

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to then send out a custom market survey.

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And that survey will look at

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specific pay information benefits

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and also have some staffing questions in there

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so we can really understand

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and see what those comparable peers are doing in terms of

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that pay and benefits and staffing.

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And compare that to New Carrollton

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and look at that, what those differences are

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and make a recommendation on that.

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So we'll develop a classification and compensation plan.

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01:04:38,225 --> 01:04:40,935
We'll review your current structure, make recommendations,

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01:04:40,965 --> 01:04:44,495
potentially new classifications or grades or new step system

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01:04:45,195 --> 01:04:46,975
and talk to you about what works best

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and our recommendations there.

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And then we'll also have recommendations on the

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organizational and staffing structure, realignment,

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looking at delivery, service delivery

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and meeting those needs.

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We also always provide up to 10 hours

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and sometimes even more, um, over three months

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after the final recommendations are

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provided for implementation questions.

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We want this to be something you can implement

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and use for many years.

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So we wanna make sure that we're there

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01:05:13,975 --> 01:05:16,555
and you have us to answer any questions that come up.

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Um, if there needs to be a refresher training on the systems

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or tools or Excel models

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01:05:22,105 --> 01:05:24,205
or if there needs to be an appeals process

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or review for specific positions

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or classifications that are maybe dissatisfied

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01:05:28,885 --> 01:05:31,685
with some parts of it, we can review those for you.

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01:05:31,985 --> 01:05:34,285
So we always provide that post study support

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for at least three months,

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but it can definitely be longer to make sure

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that it's a plan that you're really comfortable with.

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I'll just, I just have two more slides.

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I'll go into a little more detail on the

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survey data collection.

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So we use a custom market survey, um,

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and we also do our own outreach and research.

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01:05:54,265 --> 01:05:55,805
So we use a custom market survey

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through a tool called Qualtrics

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that we'll send out to those peers.

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But we also always follow that up

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with our own outreach and research.

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We will benchmark all of your positions

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and we typically look at aiming to compare those to 10

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to 15 comparable entities.

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But we're open to sending that out to more.

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We'll work with you on a number

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that makes the most sense in terms of comparable peers

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01:06:17,705 --> 01:06:19,765
in regards to what we'll need from the city, you know,

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01:06:19,765 --> 01:06:22,165
again, we'll ask for all your org charts, rosters,

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01:06:22,265 --> 01:06:25,165
job descriptions, policies, pay history, documentation,

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01:06:25,265 --> 01:06:28,045
so we really get a good understanding of everything

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01:06:28,045 --> 01:06:31,485
that has been going on and what we might need to look at um,

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as we survey those peers.

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01:06:32,825 --> 01:06:36,405
And then also internally when we do those job evaluations,

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meet with employees, have those employee kickoff meetings

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01:06:39,165 --> 01:06:41,885
and really understand, um, you know,

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01:06:41,945 --> 01:06:43,525
all the concerns that are coming up.

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01:06:44,375 --> 01:06:46,685
We'll look, when we do that external market survey,

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01:06:46,785 --> 01:06:49,565
we look at uh, job matches, titles

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01:06:49,685 --> 01:06:53,525
and descriptions, salary ranges, mid, mid and max.

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01:06:53,705 --> 01:06:56,285
We look at starting placement practices, full

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01:06:56,995 --> 01:07:00,885
step increases, uh, departmental staffing levels, number

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01:07:00,885 --> 01:07:03,925
of positions and other organization specific questions

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01:07:03,925 --> 01:07:06,205
that we'll work with you and your team on identifying.

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01:07:06,745 --> 01:07:08,485
And then we'll also gather information

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01:07:08,665 --> 01:07:09,965
as it relates to benefits.

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01:07:12,395 --> 01:07:15,335
Uh, and then once we're complete with the study

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and we present our recommendations

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01:07:16,875 --> 01:07:19,535
and report, again, we provide that support

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to the city afterwards up to three months or 10 hours.

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01:07:22,715 --> 01:07:25,295
That's a little flexible because again, we want that

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01:07:25,355 --> 01:07:26,415
to be a partnership

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01:07:26,515 --> 01:07:27,815
and we wanna make sure it's

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something you can use and implement.

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01:07:29,385 --> 01:07:32,375
We'll provide you with a copy of the final report, um,

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01:07:32,375 --> 01:07:34,135
that we'll have recommendations on how

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01:07:34,155 --> 01:07:37,775
to optimize op operations and enhance service delivery.

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01:07:38,355 --> 01:07:41,255
You'll also get a copy of all the Excel files and modeling

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01:07:41,475 --> 01:07:42,975
and all the data that's been collected.

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01:07:43,595 --> 01:07:44,775
We have a classification

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01:07:44,795 --> 01:07:47,535
and compensation manual that we will train the team on

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01:07:47,555 --> 01:07:50,095
to make sure they understand how to use that going forward.

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01:07:50,915 --> 01:07:53,975
Um, and then all of our plans

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01:07:54,075 --> 01:07:55,975
and all of our systems ensure pay equity

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01:07:55,975 --> 01:07:57,175
because we really focus on

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01:07:57,175 --> 01:08:00,455
that internal equity which ensures the pay equity along

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01:08:00,455 --> 01:08:02,295
with pay competitiveness, looking out

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01:08:02,295 --> 01:08:04,855
to those comparable peers and durability.

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01:08:04,955 --> 01:08:07,295
You know, we want the, these recommendations,

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01:08:07,435 --> 01:08:11,135
the staffing org assessment, uh, the compensation plan

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01:08:11,195 --> 01:08:13,015
to be something you can use for many years

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01:08:13,075 --> 01:08:14,175
and you don't have to go out

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01:08:14,175 --> 01:08:15,805
and do this again for at least five

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01:08:15,805 --> 01:08:16,925
years, but hopefully longer.

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01:08:17,425 --> 01:08:19,285
And then one thing that I always like

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to highlight, it's my favorite.

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01:08:20,885 --> 01:08:23,285
I have a really great team. We work together really well.

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01:08:23,745 --> 01:08:26,245
Um, we're timely, we're organized, we're efficient,

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01:08:26,825 --> 01:08:29,045
and we just pride ourselves on that communication

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01:08:29,065 --> 01:08:30,285
and teamwork with our clients

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01:08:30,385 --> 01:08:32,125
and that partnership that we develop with them.

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01:08:32,635 --> 01:08:35,445
It's also important to note that almost all of the studies

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that we've completed have been implemented by the client

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01:08:38,385 --> 01:08:39,965
and a majority of our clients,

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01:08:40,025 --> 01:08:41,765
or many of them are repeat clients,

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01:08:41,775 --> 01:08:45,045
which I think is a huge testimony to the work that we do.

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01:08:45,825 --> 01:08:48,205
And then last slide, when we look at the project timeline,

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01:08:48,205 --> 01:08:50,405
we have a five month projected timeline.

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01:08:50,925 --> 01:08:53,685
A lot of these uh, tasks will kind of overlap

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01:08:53,745 --> 01:08:56,365
so they won't be as clear as shown in here on our proposal.

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01:08:57,065 --> 01:08:59,085
Um, but we'll try to complete them in that order.

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01:08:59,085 --> 01:09:00,965
However, there's a lot of overlapping things

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01:09:00,965 --> 01:09:04,085
between the tasks that we'll work on as we go through that.

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So that is what I had. Thank you for allowing me.

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01:09:07,775 --> 01:09:09,595
I'm sorry I probably went over the five minutes,

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01:09:09,655 --> 01:09:12,395
but I'm happy to answer any questions at this time.

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01:09:13,175 --> 01:09:15,155
No, you're the last one that I said we can wait around

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01:09:15,155 --> 01:09:17,635
for you and I, uh, I appreciate the presentation.

1505
01:09:17,715 --> 01:09:18,995
I was just studying that timeline.

1506
01:09:19,395 --> 01:09:21,195
I have questions but I like to defer

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01:09:21,195 --> 01:09:22,475
to the council members first.

1508
01:09:22,475 --> 01:09:23,675
Let's see who's ready this time.

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01:09:24,415 --> 01:09:26,635
Uh, Cynthia, are you unmuted And you have any questions?

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01:09:27,855 --> 01:09:30,595
No, I think she pretty well answered my questions.

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01:09:31,145 --> 01:09:34,555
Okay. Uh, Nelly, are you prepared with any questions?

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01:09:36,525 --> 01:09:39,025
Um, just one, um,

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01:09:39,645 --> 01:09:42,425
how much room is there from your perspective

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01:09:42,645 --> 01:09:44,465
to compress that timeline?

1515
01:09:46,175 --> 01:09:48,865
Yeah, there's definitely opportunities to compress that.

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01:09:48,865 --> 01:09:50,665
There are some overlapping factors

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01:09:51,205 --> 01:09:53,225
we usually build in some additional time

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01:09:53,225 --> 01:09:56,185
because one of the hardest things is to um,

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01:09:57,005 --> 01:09:58,465
get those responses from the peers.

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01:09:58,525 --> 01:10:00,505
So we wanna make sure we have enough time to put

1521
01:10:00,505 --> 01:10:03,025
that survey together to make sure we get that peer response.

1522
01:10:03,045 --> 01:10:04,145
And then if we don't, we can do

1523
01:10:04,145 --> 01:10:05,385
that additional peer research.

1524
01:10:05,615 --> 01:10:08,225
However, we can definitely expedite that process.

1525
01:10:08,445 --> 01:10:10,825
And then the other thing we build in some additional time

1526
01:10:10,885 --> 01:10:14,785
for that we can expedite is the employee process.

1527
01:10:15,225 --> 01:10:16,545
'cause we need them to complete

1528
01:10:16,545 --> 01:10:18,185
that job analysis questionnaire.

1529
01:10:18,245 --> 01:10:19,985
We need supervisors to review that

1530
01:10:20,285 --> 01:10:23,105
and then we conduct interviews or conversations.

1531
01:10:23,145 --> 01:10:25,545
I like to call them conversations with employees

1532
01:10:25,625 --> 01:10:27,985
to make sure we understand the duties of the position.

1533
01:10:28,165 --> 01:10:31,505
So the timing for that, as long as um, we can kind

1534
01:10:31,505 --> 01:10:33,865
of condense that and employees are aware of that

1535
01:10:33,925 --> 01:10:35,465
and can get that information to us,

1536
01:10:35,885 --> 01:10:37,585
we can definitely condense the timeline,

1537
01:10:37,685 --> 01:10:38,705
uh, by a month or two.

1538
01:10:40,375 --> 01:10:44,335
Thank you so much. Yeah, that's old

1539
01:10:45,285 --> 01:10:46,335
Lincoln. You have any

1540
01:10:46,995 --> 01:10:47,995
Uh, thank you Mr. Chair. I'll

1541
01:10:47,995 --> 01:10:49,135
always start by some things

1542
01:10:49,135 --> 01:10:51,215
that I noted from looking through your proposal.

1543
01:10:51,815 --> 01:10:55,495
I see 50 years of experience, 1200 professionals

1544
01:10:56,075 --> 01:10:59,135
and over 30,000 projects delivered.

1545
01:10:59,565 --> 01:11:01,455
Very impressive. Um,

1546
01:11:01,515 --> 01:11:04,095
and I also noticed that you worked with Greenbelt Maryland,

1547
01:11:04,095 --> 01:11:07,015
which is one of our neighbors on a city manager

1548
01:11:07,015 --> 01:11:08,535
performance evaluation process.

1549
01:11:08,835 --> 01:11:10,895
Can you speak to that a little bit and what that entailed?

1550
01:11:11,445 --> 01:11:14,045
Yeah, absolutely. That was my colleague Charlene

1551
01:11:14,045 --> 01:11:15,405
Stevens who is awesome.

1552
01:11:15,625 --> 01:11:17,885
She leads our executive recruitment practice

1553
01:11:18,105 --> 01:11:20,045
and she was part of that.

1554
01:11:20,185 --> 01:11:21,285
So one of our services

1555
01:11:21,285 --> 01:11:24,205
that we provide are city manager evaluations.

1556
01:11:24,345 --> 01:11:28,125
So oftentimes, uh, you know, you have an HR director

1557
01:11:28,145 --> 01:11:32,165
that's helping the council facilitate the city manager,

1558
01:11:32,195 --> 01:11:33,885
city administrator evaluation.

1559
01:11:33,885 --> 01:11:36,525
And that sometimes puts the HR director in a bad position

1560
01:11:36,525 --> 01:11:38,525
because that's her supervisor

1561
01:11:38,625 --> 01:11:40,645
and she's helping facilitate that evaluation.

1562
01:11:40,705 --> 01:11:44,045
So we provide that as a third party service where we come in

1563
01:11:44,045 --> 01:11:48,365
and work with council on evaluation of that position.

1564
01:11:49,065 --> 01:11:50,365
So that's what we did for them.

1565
01:11:51,925 --> 01:11:54,135
Awesome. Thank you for that explanation. Yeah.

1566
01:11:54,315 --> 01:11:57,455
Um, I have a question about the post-study support.

1567
01:11:58,355 --> 01:12:00,175
You mentioned that the window of opportunity

1568
01:12:00,195 --> 01:12:01,255
for that is three months.

1569
01:12:02,295 --> 01:12:04,435
If we had questions beyond that timeframe,

1570
01:12:04,435 --> 01:12:06,115
would there be extra fees assessed

1571
01:12:06,115 --> 01:12:07,195
or would we be able to ask

1572
01:12:07,435 --> 01:12:08,555
questions beyond the three months?

1573
01:12:09,265 --> 01:12:11,195
Yeah, I smile when you say that

1574
01:12:11,315 --> 01:12:13,395
'cause I have so many clients that it's way beyond

1575
01:12:13,395 --> 01:12:14,515
that three month timeline.

1576
01:12:14,535 --> 01:12:16,475
And I'm always here to answer questions.

1577
01:12:16,695 --> 01:12:18,675
We wanna be able to, you know,

1578
01:12:18,675 --> 01:12:21,115
if it's simple questions on a job, want us

1579
01:12:21,115 --> 01:12:23,755
to re-look at something, confirm something, send an email,

1580
01:12:23,825 --> 01:12:25,235
there's no additional charge for that.

1581
01:12:25,235 --> 01:12:28,155
We're more than happy to, um, do that.

1582
01:12:28,155 --> 01:12:30,555
Beyond that, the three months is really for like,

1583
01:12:30,555 --> 01:12:33,835
if there's any substantial, you know, reclassifications

1584
01:12:34,255 --> 01:12:37,595
or updating the report to reflect something,

1585
01:12:37,895 --> 01:12:39,155
that's really what that's for.

1586
01:12:39,295 --> 01:12:41,515
But any questions, phone call, email

1587
01:12:41,545 --> 01:12:43,395
that are simple questions that we can answer,

1588
01:12:43,395 --> 01:12:44,395
there's no charge for that.

1589
01:12:44,395 --> 01:12:47,555
Beyond that, if there's some additional work,

1590
01:12:47,585 --> 01:12:49,315
like let's say there's a brand new position

1591
01:12:49,375 --> 01:12:53,235
and you want us to do the full evaluation of that position,

1592
01:12:53,865 --> 01:12:56,155
there's a set fee for that that we could do that

1593
01:12:56,155 --> 01:12:57,155
as an add-on service.

1594
01:12:57,575 --> 01:12:59,995
But general questions about the work that we've done

1595
01:12:59,995 --> 01:13:01,715
and has been done, there's no additional fee for

1596
01:13:01,715 --> 01:13:02,795
that. Thank

1597
01:13:03,625 --> 01:13:04,625
You. Last question

1598
01:13:04,625 --> 01:13:05,865
I noticed, or more

1599
01:13:05,865 --> 01:13:07,905
or less a comment, I noticed your price point is very good.

1600
01:13:08,305 --> 01:13:10,485
29,475.

1601
01:13:10,985 --> 01:13:12,125
Is that pretty much standard

1602
01:13:12,265 --> 01:13:13,805
for projects of this size and scope?

1603
01:13:14,775 --> 01:13:18,275
So the community size and employee size of your project?

1604
01:13:18,595 --> 01:13:21,035
I love it. I managed a community of similar size,

1605
01:13:21,035 --> 01:13:22,235
similar number of employees.

1606
01:13:22,335 --> 01:13:25,355
So, uh, I love the size of the community

1607
01:13:25,395 --> 01:13:26,515
and the number of employees.

1608
01:13:26,535 --> 01:13:28,955
It really allows us to do a deep dive

1609
01:13:29,095 --> 01:13:31,955
and uh, talk to almost every employee

1610
01:13:32,055 --> 01:13:35,235
and really understand, uh, the organization.

1611
01:13:35,455 --> 01:13:37,915
So in terms of the price point for a community your size,

1612
01:13:37,975 --> 01:13:39,355
that's definitely very average

1613
01:13:39,655 --> 01:13:43,315
and uh, probably you're probably getting a little more

1614
01:13:43,315 --> 01:13:44,755
with the organizational assessment

1615
01:13:44,815 --> 01:13:46,395
and staffing within that price point.

1616
01:13:46,395 --> 01:13:50,355
Usually full class and comp run around 20 to 30,000.

1617
01:13:51,475 --> 01:13:53,145
Thank you very much for answering all my questions.

1618
01:13:53,265 --> 01:13:54,545
I appreciate it. I have no further questions.

1619
01:13:54,735 --> 01:13:55,985
Okay. I think I haven't gone to,

1620
01:13:56,445 --> 01:13:58,185
Can I just ask one more question? Sure.

1621
01:13:58,185 --> 01:14:00,105
Go ahead Cynthia. Do you have one

1622
01:14:00,735 --> 01:14:02,785
contact person for us to contact,

1623
01:14:05,205 --> 01:14:07,145
Um, like if we were awarded the

1624
01:14:07,145 --> 01:14:08,385
study for when we start the project?

1625
01:14:08,565 --> 01:14:09,945
Is that what you're asking? Yes.

1626
01:14:10,685 --> 01:14:12,405
Do we have to call a different section

1627
01:14:12,505 --> 01:14:14,085
for anything we wanted or is there one

1628
01:14:14,655 --> 01:14:16,125
particular person Yep.

1629
01:14:16,125 --> 01:14:18,045
That we would call and they would take

1630
01:14:18,045 --> 01:14:19,205
that and get the answer?

1631
01:14:19,705 --> 01:14:21,645
That's correct. You would have a project lead

1632
01:14:21,645 --> 01:14:23,285
that would be your main point of contact.

1633
01:14:23,585 --> 01:14:25,285
We have subject matter experts too.

1634
01:14:25,825 --> 01:14:27,645
Um, that will help throughout the process.

1635
01:14:27,985 --> 01:14:30,645
You know, we have a lot of our consultants, almost all

1636
01:14:30,645 --> 01:14:32,445
of our consultants have worked in local government.

1637
01:14:32,465 --> 01:14:34,925
So we have, you know, former police chiefs, fire chiefs,

1638
01:14:35,465 --> 01:14:37,205
HR directors that we sometimes use

1639
01:14:37,205 --> 01:14:39,005
as sub subject matter experts.

1640
01:14:39,465 --> 01:14:42,925
But you have one main contact person, one project manager,

1641
01:14:42,925 --> 01:14:46,205
project lead, that's your point person that you go to

1642
01:14:46,205 --> 01:14:47,365
for all all questions.

1643
01:14:48,265 --> 01:14:52,315
Alright, thank you. Thank you chairman. Sure. Brianna?

1644
01:14:53,195 --> 01:14:55,975
Yes. Um, I, I, I think, uh, the, some

1645
01:14:55,975 --> 01:14:57,855
of us have similar types of questions here

1646
01:14:58,195 --> 01:15:00,215
and I'll just be blunt as I'm, that's

1647
01:15:00,435 --> 01:15:02,375
how people would describe me if they've met me one time.

1648
01:15:03,005 --> 01:15:05,215
Your price point is a lot lower than a lot

1649
01:15:05,215 --> 01:15:06,215
of the other ones we've seen,

1650
01:15:06,215 --> 01:15:09,175
which obviously makes you a very attractive candidate,

1651
01:15:09,355 --> 01:15:12,135
but at the same time it's so much lower than some

1652
01:15:12,135 --> 01:15:14,495
of the other ones that I'm, I'm kind of surprised.

1653
01:15:14,915 --> 01:15:16,895
Do you think that that's based on the volume of work

1654
01:15:16,895 --> 01:15:19,655
that you're, that your, um, firm does or,

1655
01:15:20,395 --> 01:15:22,175
or the level of expertise, what,

1656
01:15:22,595 --> 01:15:24,335
why do you think, you know mm-hmm.

1657
01:15:24,415 --> 01:15:25,535
Obviously you're just speculating

1658
01:15:25,775 --> 01:15:27,455
'cause you have no idea how those other people came up

1659
01:15:27,455 --> 01:15:28,975
with their numbers, but I'm just kind of curious

1660
01:15:28,975 --> 01:15:30,215
what your thoughts are on that.

1661
01:15:30,965 --> 01:15:33,255
Yeah, no, usually I don't hear that.

1662
01:15:33,595 --> 01:15:36,575
So I'm like a little shocked by that.

1663
01:15:36,775 --> 01:15:39,495
I, I think that the hours that we've allotted

1664
01:15:39,495 --> 01:15:41,975
for this project allows us to complete the work

1665
01:15:41,975 --> 01:15:45,175
and what you're looking for within the allotted hours.

1666
01:15:45,355 --> 01:15:49,735
So I feel like we might, um, you know, by combining those,

1667
01:15:49,735 --> 01:15:52,895
looking at the compensation, we might be a little lower than

1668
01:15:53,555 --> 01:15:55,055
we typically are on some of those.

1669
01:15:55,195 --> 01:15:57,175
But that's the numbers that we've quoted, the hours

1670
01:15:57,175 --> 01:15:58,895
that we've allotted, I think we can

1671
01:15:58,895 --> 01:16:00,095
do the work and do it well.

1672
01:16:00,305 --> 01:16:02,575
Again, this is the work that we do every day

1673
01:16:02,595 --> 01:16:04,655
and we love doing this type of work.

1674
01:16:05,035 --> 01:16:06,975
And another thing kind of along the same lines,

1675
01:16:06,985 --> 01:16:08,615
let's say it takes us way more hours

1676
01:16:09,585 --> 01:16:10,915
that we're not charging you more

1677
01:16:10,915 --> 01:16:11,955
because this is the price

1678
01:16:11,955 --> 01:16:13,515
that we quoted within the proposal.

1679
01:16:13,735 --> 01:16:15,995
So there's not an increase in that fee for you.

1680
01:16:16,815 --> 01:16:18,465
Alright. And then I have an additional question

1681
01:16:18,465 --> 01:16:22,065
that I just asked the, the last, um, uh, presenter,

1682
01:16:22,085 --> 01:16:24,225
so you might have had the benefit of hearing their answer.

1683
01:16:24,845 --> 01:16:27,825
Um, the, what the catalyst for this effort

1684
01:16:27,885 --> 01:16:29,705
for this engagement is

1685
01:16:29,705 --> 01:16:32,705
that the council only recently became aware of

1686
01:16:32,705 --> 01:16:35,185
what the salaries are for each individual employee working

1687
01:16:35,185 --> 01:16:39,025
for the city prior to this, um, to this mayor taking office.

1688
01:16:39,805 --> 01:16:42,545
Uh, it was not clear to the council

1689
01:16:42,765 --> 01:16:45,585
how much each individual employee was making other than the

1690
01:16:45,905 --> 01:16:47,225
directors of the various agencies.

1691
01:16:47,685 --> 01:16:48,865
All of the salaries were kind

1692
01:16:48,865 --> 01:16:51,785
of lumped into an employee services bucket, so it would say,

1693
01:16:51,785 --> 01:16:52,825
you know, $3 million

1694
01:16:52,885 --> 01:16:54,425
and we didn't really know how that broke down.

1695
01:16:54,965 --> 01:16:58,465
And what led us to wanna take action on this was

1696
01:16:58,465 --> 01:17:00,745
that several, uh, council members and staff

1697
01:17:00,745 --> 01:17:02,105
and residents felt that some

1698
01:17:02,105 --> 01:17:03,465
of these salaries were too high,

1699
01:17:03,755 --> 01:17:06,665
which I think is probably not the norm in terms of

1700
01:17:06,695 --> 01:17:08,265
what sets this work off.

1701
01:17:08,825 --> 01:17:11,005
I I think that oftentimes folks wanna make sure

1702
01:17:11,005 --> 01:17:13,325
that their city is retaining good employees

1703
01:17:13,345 --> 01:17:15,445
and recruit able to recruit competitively.

1704
01:17:15,865 --> 01:17:18,645
In our situation we may be lowering salaries.

1705
01:17:19,105 --> 01:17:21,845
Um, have you had experience with that sort of element

1706
01:17:22,025 --> 01:17:24,325
and how did that go when you had that experience?

1707
01:17:25,235 --> 01:17:28,685
Yeah, so we have done many studies over,

1708
01:17:28,865 --> 01:17:32,485
and I've been with MGT for almost seven years all on, um,

1709
01:17:32,885 --> 01:17:35,325
classification and compensation, staffing and org analysis.

1710
01:17:35,945 --> 01:17:38,525
And over that time I should have a better number of

1711
01:17:38,525 --> 01:17:39,805
how many studies I've completed.

1712
01:17:40,145 --> 01:17:41,165
And you're right, a majority

1713
01:17:41,165 --> 01:17:42,565
of the time we see the opposite end

1714
01:17:42,565 --> 01:17:44,645
where we're bringing employees up to minimum,

1715
01:17:44,775 --> 01:17:46,085
we're making recommendations

1716
01:17:46,245 --> 01:17:47,725
because they're being paid below market.

1717
01:17:48,145 --> 01:17:49,685
But there's a handful of times

1718
01:17:49,825 --> 01:17:52,045
and within studies where we see the opposite,

1719
01:17:52,045 --> 01:17:53,885
where employees are being paid outside

1720
01:17:53,885 --> 01:17:55,405
of the market for the position.

1721
01:17:55,985 --> 01:17:57,605
And that shows, you know, if some,

1722
01:17:57,665 --> 01:18:00,165
if a specific employee is being paid outside

1723
01:18:00,185 --> 01:18:03,925
of the market range, then you know, we need to address that.

1724
01:18:03,925 --> 01:18:06,565
And the way that we always recommend to our clients

1725
01:18:06,585 --> 01:18:08,925
to address that is in a consistent manner, right?

1726
01:18:08,985 --> 01:18:11,285
So you can't do for one person

1727
01:18:11,285 --> 01:18:12,565
that you're not gonna do for the other.

1728
01:18:12,625 --> 01:18:15,485
So however many you have outside of that market range,

1729
01:18:15,945 --> 01:18:17,165
you're gonna have a consistent

1730
01:18:17,445 --> 01:18:18,485
approach on how you address that.

1731
01:18:18,545 --> 01:18:20,965
And what that looks like depends on the client

1732
01:18:20,965 --> 01:18:21,965
and the needs of the client.

1733
01:18:22,065 --> 01:18:24,885
So sometimes clients will say, we're gonna keep them there,

1734
01:18:24,905 --> 01:18:27,805
but understand, you know, their salary's frozen until

1735
01:18:27,805 --> 01:18:29,405
that market range catches up.

1736
01:18:29,625 --> 01:18:31,405
And what that looks like, depending on

1737
01:18:31,405 --> 01:18:33,645
how many years the employee's been there,

1738
01:18:33,745 --> 01:18:36,325
how many people they have over the max, they might continue

1739
01:18:36,325 --> 01:18:37,365
to give them the increases,

1740
01:18:37,365 --> 01:18:39,445
but understand when that person leaves the position,

1741
01:18:39,755 --> 01:18:41,885
they're gonna be brought in within the

1742
01:18:41,885 --> 01:18:42,965
range where they should be.

1743
01:18:43,065 --> 01:18:45,445
So again, every client is a little bit different

1744
01:18:45,445 --> 01:18:46,485
on how that's approached.

1745
01:18:46,985 --> 01:18:48,405
Our biggest thing when we work

1746
01:18:48,405 --> 01:18:51,325
with our clients is making sure it's a consistent manner

1747
01:18:51,385 --> 01:18:52,565
and how to handle that.

1748
01:18:53,455 --> 01:18:55,045
Thank you so much. That was a wonderful answer.

1749
01:18:55,405 --> 01:18:56,405
I have no other questions.

1750
01:18:57,235 --> 01:19:02,065
Okay. I got everyone right Rachel, I want to, um, uh,

1751
01:19:02,095 --> 01:19:05,545
tell you that I was um, I was struck by your comment on

1752
01:19:06,505 --> 01:19:08,385
services being delivered

1753
01:19:08,385 --> 01:19:10,825
because I think we elected officials all have

1754
01:19:10,825 --> 01:19:14,145
to keep in mind that we are part of an organization

1755
01:19:14,245 --> 01:19:17,985
that's goal is to provide services to the residents

1756
01:19:18,325 --> 01:19:19,825
and that the people we serve.

1757
01:19:19,965 --> 01:19:21,785
So, uh, I appreciated that comment.

1758
01:19:22,085 --> 01:19:25,025
You made another comment there about looking at

1759
01:19:25,165 --> 01:19:26,225
per capita income.

1760
01:19:26,805 --> 01:19:28,745
And if you look at new Carrollton,

1761
01:19:28,745 --> 01:19:30,025
and I'm not gonna quote numbers now,

1762
01:19:30,025 --> 01:19:33,225
I don't have 'em memorized, but in general, the, uh,

1763
01:19:33,425 --> 01:19:36,385
a large part of our staff makes substantially higher

1764
01:19:36,705 --> 01:19:38,265
salaries than the people who live in the city.

1765
01:19:38,565 --> 01:19:40,665
And some of the people here are, uh,

1766
01:19:40,765 --> 01:19:41,985
are not too happy to see that.

1767
01:19:42,045 --> 01:19:46,065
So that's just one situation that, uh, did you um,

1768
01:19:46,765 --> 01:19:50,065
do you see any correlation in the work you've done between

1769
01:19:50,645 --> 01:19:52,785
per capita, uh, income

1770
01:19:52,925 --> 01:19:54,985
and what the city should be paying its employees?

1771
01:19:56,315 --> 01:19:57,415
That's a great question.

1772
01:19:57,715 --> 01:20:00,935
I'm not sure if I looked at specifically any correlation,

1773
01:20:00,955 --> 01:20:02,695
but I will say as part of our process,

1774
01:20:02,955 --> 01:20:06,095
we have conversations on where the city should be

1775
01:20:06,195 --> 01:20:08,205
and what pay percentile makes sense

1776
01:20:08,775 --> 01:20:10,885
based on the economic environment,

1777
01:20:11,025 --> 01:20:12,765
the financial ability of the city.

1778
01:20:13,105 --> 01:20:15,205
So we do have those conversations, you know,

1779
01:20:15,205 --> 01:20:17,005
and looking at the 50th percentile

1780
01:20:17,145 --> 01:20:19,645
or where we always start with that as a benchmark

1781
01:20:20,065 --> 01:20:21,325
and then have those conversations.

1782
01:20:21,385 --> 01:20:22,605
We have some clients

1783
01:20:22,605 --> 01:20:25,205
and some communities that wanna pay above that, some

1784
01:20:25,205 --> 01:20:26,725
that aren't even at the 50th.

1785
01:20:26,785 --> 01:20:29,845
So we work with them on a structure to bring them there

1786
01:20:30,025 --> 01:20:31,125
and show different.

1787
01:20:31,385 --> 01:20:34,165
So I think that correlates to kind

1788
01:20:34,165 --> 01:20:35,925
of the environment of the community.

1789
01:20:36,025 --> 01:20:37,645
But I've never looked specifically

1790
01:20:37,705 --> 01:20:39,365
as if it relates to per capita income.

1791
01:20:39,545 --> 01:20:40,545
I'm gonna do that now.

1792
01:20:41,635 --> 01:20:43,485
Well, you do it if we hire you here.

1793
01:20:44,185 --> 01:20:46,565
Yes, I will. Um,

1794
01:20:47,185 --> 01:20:50,965
and let's see, uh, we have, when we meet with the public

1795
01:20:51,145 --> 01:20:52,685
and now that some of this information

1796
01:20:52,685 --> 01:20:54,645
that Brianna pointed out hasn't been seen

1797
01:20:54,645 --> 01:20:55,725
because it's been lumped

1798
01:20:55,865 --> 01:20:58,205
and now we look to some of the details, so much

1799
01:20:58,205 --> 01:20:59,885
of the public that comes to our meetings is,

1800
01:20:59,985 --> 01:21:01,125
wow, please hire me.

1801
01:21:01,405 --> 01:21:03,365
I had no idea we're paying these people that much

1802
01:21:03,385 --> 01:21:04,405
to run this small town.

1803
01:21:04,905 --> 01:21:09,435
So, um, the, um, see, made a note.

1804
01:21:09,515 --> 01:21:11,715
I can't read my writing, but do you have a, do you have

1805
01:21:11,715 --> 01:21:13,955
that low price tag but you're gonna have to do some travel.

1806
01:21:13,975 --> 01:21:15,235
Do you expect a lot of travel

1807
01:21:15,255 --> 01:21:16,995
and that's an addition to the 29,000?

1808
01:21:17,415 --> 01:21:19,195
That's correct. That is an addition.

1809
01:21:19,325 --> 01:21:22,035
We're happy to travel. I'm very happy to travel.

1810
01:21:22,295 --> 01:21:26,035
We, um, can be there as many times as you would want.

1811
01:21:26,135 --> 01:21:28,755
You know, pre COVID, we used to travel for everything.

1812
01:21:28,855 --> 01:21:31,115
The employee interviews, the employee kickoff meeting,

1813
01:21:31,135 --> 01:21:33,315
the council presentation after that.

1814
01:21:33,315 --> 01:21:35,475
We've had a lot of success in doing it virtual

1815
01:21:35,495 --> 01:21:38,395
and it does save, um, money of course,

1816
01:21:38,735 --> 01:21:42,115
but I do understand it also helps to be in person.

1817
01:21:42,335 --> 01:21:43,955
So we could have discussions during

1818
01:21:43,955 --> 01:21:46,675
that initial kickoff meeting on what phases

1819
01:21:46,695 --> 01:21:49,635
or what time makes sense for us to come in person

1820
01:21:49,775 --> 01:21:50,875
and we're happy to do that.

1821
01:21:51,025 --> 01:21:52,955
That would be additional

1822
01:21:52,955 --> 01:21:54,795
and it would just be, uh, travel expenses

1823
01:21:55,065 --> 01:21:56,195
that would be charged for that.

1824
01:21:57,605 --> 01:21:58,945
And I could read my writing now.

1825
01:21:58,985 --> 01:22:01,465
I just wanted to point out, we had a compensation study done

1826
01:22:01,855 --> 01:22:04,265
nine years ago by a company called the Mercer Group.

1827
01:22:04,805 --> 01:22:06,425
And one of the things they came away with,

1828
01:22:06,425 --> 01:22:07,425
they adjusted the salaries.

1829
01:22:07,425 --> 01:22:09,865
And as you mentioned, some went up, some were frozen,

1830
01:22:10,255 --> 01:22:11,665
some were told you're not gonna get a

1831
01:22:11,665 --> 01:22:13,385
and some people were happy and some people were not.

1832
01:22:13,605 --> 01:22:15,825
But I remember that I was in the council way back then.

1833
01:22:16,125 --> 01:22:18,145
I'm an ancient person around here and,

1834
01:22:18,425 --> 01:22:20,945
and the, uh, I remember the guy from Mercer saying,

1835
01:22:20,945 --> 01:22:24,345
we've looked at new Carrollton, you have the best, uh,

1836
01:22:24,705 --> 01:22:26,505
benefits package we've seen anywhere in the country.

1837
01:22:27,045 --> 01:22:28,225
So we have a wonderful benefits

1838
01:22:28,225 --> 01:22:29,305
package here in addition to that.

1839
01:22:29,365 --> 01:22:31,025
So keep that in mind if we choose you,

1840
01:22:31,045 --> 01:22:32,625
if you look at our, at our study.

1841
01:22:32,845 --> 01:22:34,825
But that, um, that's all I have.

1842
01:22:34,935 --> 01:22:36,785
Anybody else before we let Rachel go?

1843
01:22:39,175 --> 01:22:41,555
No, but thank you. Yeah, thank

1844
01:22:41,555 --> 01:22:42,555
You. Thank you,

1845
01:22:42,555 --> 01:22:43,395
thank you so much.

1846
01:22:43,495 --> 01:22:46,155
And thanks to um, whoever organized it,

1847
01:22:46,175 --> 01:22:47,555
the instructions were very clear.

1848
01:22:47,755 --> 01:22:48,755
I appreciate all of that

1849
01:22:48,775 --> 01:22:51,595
and I look forward to the opportunity to work with you.

1850
01:22:51,785 --> 01:22:52,785
Have a great evening.

1851
01:22:53,725 --> 01:22:55,355
Thank you Rachel. Good evening. Thank

1852
01:22:55,355 --> 01:22:55,955
You. Thanks.

1853
01:22:56,865 --> 01:22:58,795
Okay. No, I, if I go back to the agenda,

1854
01:22:58,885 --> 01:23:00,595
we've done the council announcements,

1855
01:23:00,595 --> 01:23:02,115
but Brianna, I've been thinking a little bit

1856
01:23:02,115 --> 01:23:03,275
about your comment and I agree.

1857
01:23:03,855 --> 01:23:05,285
Um, I can put that on.

1858
01:23:05,465 --> 01:23:07,205
I'm just gonna adjust the agenda accordingly

1859
01:23:07,205 --> 01:23:11,005
because I, I envision, uh, people having a lot

1860
01:23:11,005 --> 01:23:12,165
to say, I have a lot to process.

1861
01:23:12,365 --> 01:23:13,445
I couldn't vote on this tonight.

1862
01:23:14,145 --> 01:23:15,525
And I think people will have a lot

1863
01:23:15,525 --> 01:23:16,765
of thoughts the next time we meet.

1864
01:23:16,765 --> 01:23:17,725
And I wanted to set aside

1865
01:23:17,725 --> 01:23:18,885
an hour where that's all we thought about.

1866
01:23:19,305 --> 01:23:21,925
But I'm willing to put it on the agenda for the Wednesday

1867
01:23:22,625 --> 01:23:24,925
and maybe, maybe we can do it it in 15 minutes,

1868
01:23:25,145 --> 01:23:26,285
but if it turns into an hour,

1869
01:23:26,285 --> 01:23:27,525
I'll just cut things off the agenda.

1870
01:23:27,765 --> 01:23:28,925
'cause I think this council may want

1871
01:23:28,925 --> 01:23:30,085
to discuss this at great length.

1872
01:23:30,085 --> 01:23:33,245
There've been some very good responses from six very good

1873
01:23:33,245 --> 01:23:34,725
organizations and we need

1874
01:23:34,725 --> 01:23:36,565
to process this carefully before we take a vote.

1875
01:23:36,655 --> 01:23:38,045
Price is one thing, but this was a very

1876
01:23:38,045 --> 01:23:39,285
quality firm too, in my view.

1877
01:23:39,585 --> 01:23:41,325
So we have, uh, a lot to think about.

1878
01:23:41,905 --> 01:23:43,365
Uh, with that said, Mr.

1879
01:23:43,605 --> 01:23:45,245
Nelly, Nelly has her virtual handout.

1880
01:23:45,505 --> 01:23:47,165
I'm sorry, Agnel, I didn't see it. Please

1881
01:23:47,795 --> 01:23:51,965
Take the, um, this process is driven by

1882
01:23:52,525 --> 01:23:54,645
concerns identified by the council.

1883
01:23:55,395 --> 01:24:00,045
However, before making a vote, I would like to hear

1884
01:24:00,595 --> 01:24:01,765
from the city manager

1885
01:24:02,145 --> 01:24:06,365
and the mayor about which of the proposals

1886
01:24:06,995 --> 01:24:10,245
they see fitting the needs of the city

1887
01:24:10,475 --> 01:24:12,365
because they will be tasked

1888
01:24:12,435 --> 01:24:14,885
with implementing the recommendations.

1889
01:24:15,505 --> 01:24:20,445
And so, uh, would like to, um, allocate some time to hear,

1890
01:24:21,185 --> 01:24:24,285
um, che speak to a recommended proposal

1891
01:24:26,465 --> 01:24:27,465
Tonight? Or you wanna give

1892
01:24:27,465 --> 01:24:28,515
her time to process too?

1893
01:24:28,735 --> 01:24:31,595
No, when, when we get to the discussion,

1894
01:24:31,595 --> 01:24:34,395
because she also needs time to process this.

1895
01:24:35,155 --> 01:24:37,675
Absolutely. And I thought next Wednesday is soon enough

1896
01:24:37,735 --> 01:24:40,195
and the following Wednesday is certainly soon enough.

1897
01:24:40,195 --> 01:24:43,115
That gives us two full weeks to think about it.

1898
01:24:43,455 --> 01:24:45,195
But I just wanna make sure that we

1899
01:24:45,535 --> 01:24:47,595
as a group allow enough time for everyone

1900
01:24:47,595 --> 01:24:48,715
to express their concerns

1901
01:24:48,715 --> 01:24:52,395
and have time to have a very serious, uh, vote that comes up

1902
01:24:52,395 --> 01:24:53,435
with the best candidate here.

1903
01:24:53,945 --> 01:24:56,195
It's a very difficult choice that I see it right now

1904
01:24:56,215 --> 01:24:57,275
and I have to do some more studying.

1905
01:24:57,275 --> 01:24:58,755
Mm-hmm. So Cynthia,

1906
01:24:58,755 --> 01:25:00,395
when you get back in town, I have your packet.

1907
01:25:00,445 --> 01:25:02,115
We'll get it to you so you can read all the details

1908
01:25:02,175 --> 01:25:04,795
and, and print a copy. With that said,

1909
01:25:05,335 --> 01:25:06,335
I'm here.

1910
01:25:06,915 --> 01:25:08,515
I have your packet, but I have it in my house.

1911
01:25:08,585 --> 01:25:10,395
I'll give it to the printed copy in

1912
01:25:10,395 --> 01:25:11,675
case you wanna look through these proposals. Yes,

1913
01:25:12,135 --> 01:25:13,875
I'm gonna go, I was, I was gonna go

1914
01:25:13,875 --> 01:25:16,675
to the office tomorrow, but if, if, if you have, well, okay.

1915
01:25:17,275 --> 01:25:18,435
I made a mistake and grabbed

1916
01:25:18,435 --> 01:25:19,715
papers and I took it to my house.

1917
01:25:19,835 --> 01:25:20,955
I was gonna bring it back tonight

1918
01:25:20,975 --> 01:25:22,715
and I, uh, I left it at my house.

1919
01:25:22,785 --> 01:25:25,395
Okay. You could have mine. Mine's full of all my notes.

1920
01:25:25,975 --> 01:25:27,915
So, um, with that said,

1921
01:25:28,255 --> 01:25:29,255
Mr. Chair, yes,

1922
01:25:29,255 --> 01:25:30,515
I think it would be good

1923
01:25:30,515 --> 01:25:33,355
for our discussion at the future meeting for us to rank

1924
01:25:33,775 --> 01:25:36,435
for ourselves, uh, you know, one through six

1925
01:25:36,535 --> 01:25:38,515
how we felt about the performances that way.

1926
01:25:38,675 --> 01:25:40,315
I think that will guide the discussion.

1927
01:25:40,475 --> 01:25:43,795
'cause if several of us rank the same ones very low

1928
01:25:43,855 --> 01:25:46,035
or very high, I think that that could narrow the focus.

1929
01:25:46,215 --> 01:25:48,875
So if, I don't know, I I'm just posing that out there

1930
01:25:48,875 --> 01:25:51,075
as a way to, to, to kick off that discussion

1931
01:25:51,075 --> 01:25:52,115
and make it expeditious.

1932
01:25:52,545 --> 01:25:53,555
Well, you're posing it

1933
01:25:53,555 --> 01:25:55,875
and I'll make that an assignment and I will do it.

1934
01:25:56,025 --> 01:25:59,235
Okay. And if, if you can please rank them how you see it

1935
01:25:59,235 --> 01:26:00,555
and then have a reason for that.

1936
01:26:01,015 --> 01:26:02,915
But if each of us goes to the ranking gives our reasons.

1937
01:26:03,625 --> 01:26:05,925
I'm not seeing a five minute discussion, but that's fine.

1938
01:26:06,005 --> 01:26:08,085
I agree, Brianna. Alright, we can move to

1939
01:26:08,845 --> 01:26:11,205
residents concerns if anyone wants to go to the podium.

1940
01:26:11,305 --> 01:26:14,355
We have a large audience tonight on cell phone.

1941
01:26:15,215 --> 01:26:16,875
We have some hands online I guess.

1942
01:26:16,935 --> 01:26:18,155
And people have been following us.

1943
01:26:18,255 --> 01:26:21,745
How many participants tonight? Maisha? Um,

1944
01:26:22,765 --> 01:26:24,465
We have 14 people online.

1945
01:26:24,735 --> 01:26:27,785
Anybody wanna make a comment about, uh, the selection

1946
01:26:27,785 --> 01:26:29,345
of a consultant? The majority

1947
01:26:29,345 --> 01:26:31,745
Of the people online work for the city of New Carrollton?

1948
01:26:31,985 --> 01:26:33,265
Yeah, I was gonna say, but I think

1949
01:26:33,265 --> 01:26:34,465
the majority of them are us.

1950
01:26:35,615 --> 01:26:38,145
Okay. Well we, uh, we can get outta here a little bit

1951
01:26:38,145 --> 01:26:40,705
earlier then the next meeting as it turns out,

1952
01:26:40,715 --> 01:26:42,505
we'll be after the holiday.

1953
01:26:42,755 --> 01:26:44,945
It'll be a Wednesday and I will not schedule

1954
01:26:45,045 --> 01:26:46,065
it to meet next week.

1955
01:26:46,065 --> 01:26:48,145
Then we'll just plan to fit this into that meeting.

1956
01:26:48,765 --> 01:26:51,865
And, um, Caitlyn will tell me what else needs to be in

1957
01:26:51,865 --> 01:26:52,985
that agenda next week.

1958
01:26:53,625 --> 01:26:54,745
I, Nelly has her hand up again.

1959
01:26:54,745 --> 01:26:55,785
When, what's more? All right,

1960
01:26:55,985 --> 01:26:56,985
Nelly. Um,

1961
01:26:56,985 --> 01:26:58,825
I'm sorry, I,

1962
01:26:59,185 --> 01:27:02,785
I missed some things since the original idea

1963
01:27:02,965 --> 01:27:05,025
of meeting next week was scrap

1964
01:27:05,365 --> 01:27:09,105
and we're discussing it on Wednesday the 18th.

1965
01:27:09,295 --> 01:27:13,805
When are we voting on the 18th? On the 18th?

1966
01:27:15,465 --> 01:27:17,155
Yeah. I don't like, I don't like that idea.

1967
01:27:17,235 --> 01:27:19,995
I wanted just to have a discussion and, and vote,

1968
01:27:20,925 --> 01:27:23,545
but since uh, Brianna suggested we rank them all,

1969
01:27:23,545 --> 01:27:24,825
maybe we'll be ready on the 18th.

1970
01:27:25,365 --> 01:27:26,785
Um, the sooner we vote,

1971
01:27:26,785 --> 01:27:28,305
the sooner we can choose somebody of course.

1972
01:27:28,305 --> 01:27:30,865
And get them in here working. So let's plan on voting on the

1973
01:27:30,985 --> 01:27:32,225
18th unless anything interferes with that.

1974
01:27:32,285 --> 01:27:33,285
Is that okay?

1975
01:27:35,315 --> 01:27:39,575
Yes. Um, I'm interested in making a decision

1976
01:27:39,915 --> 01:27:43,175
so the city can engage and sign a contract

1977
01:27:43,315 --> 01:27:45,655
and set that kickoff meeting

1978
01:27:45,655 --> 01:27:49,255
because I am, I cannot

1979
01:27:50,195 --> 01:27:54,815
at the moment visualize how the timeline

1980
01:27:55,355 --> 01:27:59,375
for the project will help us get

1981
01:27:59,475 --> 01:28:02,975
to an approved budget before July 1st

1982
01:28:03,325 --> 01:28:05,655
because I don't see enough time.

1983
01:28:06,435 --> 01:28:10,575
Um, and how can we make informed decisions for the future?

1984
01:28:10,635 --> 01:28:12,055
But that's not conversation for today.

1985
01:28:12,595 --> 01:28:14,055
Um, so the important thing is

1986
01:28:14,435 --> 01:28:16,455
to get it going and get it out the door.

1987
01:28:16,555 --> 01:28:18,615
That's fine. I can take care of myself.

1988
01:28:19,605 --> 01:28:23,175
Okay. Now in the packets, there are contacts at each

1989
01:28:23,175 --> 01:28:25,015
of these places that if you feel you have a question

1990
01:28:25,015 --> 01:28:27,095
that they can answer about that, feel free.

1991
01:28:27,095 --> 01:28:28,175
We interacted with 'em tonight,

1992
01:28:28,175 --> 01:28:29,855
but you can call them one-on-one too. Okay?

1993
01:28:29,855 --> 01:28:31,055
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

1994
01:28:31,635 --> 01:28:35,135
Is that legal? Whatever you tell one contractor, you have

1995
01:28:35,135 --> 01:28:37,455
to make sure that all of 'em have the same answer.

1996
01:28:38,035 --> 01:28:40,535
That's not illegal. No, this is specific.

1997
01:28:40,635 --> 01:28:43,495
If I have a specific question for Bolton that doesn't relate

1998
01:28:43,495 --> 01:28:47,095
to MRC, if I have a question that he said something on, ask

1999
01:28:47,095 --> 01:28:49,375
what he meant, I think then I think Brown is right.

2000
01:28:49,375 --> 01:28:51,975
There's nothing illegal about contacting a vendor.

2001
01:28:54,085 --> 01:28:56,935
Alright. That would be my advice

2002
01:28:56,935 --> 01:28:59,295
and I plan to do the same if questions come up that I feel

2003
01:28:59,295 --> 01:29:01,205
that I've missed something and I think you'd find

2004
01:29:01,205 --> 01:29:03,685
that all six of the presenters would be eager to share

2005
01:29:03,685 --> 01:29:05,925
with us any additional information on the project.

2006
01:29:05,995 --> 01:29:07,885
Just prepared to take some time to listen to themselves.

2007
01:29:07,885 --> 01:29:08,885
To listen.

2008
01:29:09,495 --> 01:29:10,805
There is one hand up.

2009
01:29:10,805 --> 01:29:13,325
Virtually, uh, Ms. Shirley Brown has her hand up.

2010
01:29:13,755 --> 01:29:14,965
Okay, let's here. Ms. Shirley Brown.

2011
01:29:19,625 --> 01:29:19,975
Honor,

2012
01:29:20,085 --> 01:29:21,015
Take yourself off mute,

2013
01:29:26,055 --> 01:29:27,755
Ms. Brown, if you're speaking we can't hear you.

2014
01:29:33,765 --> 01:29:35,945
You have to hit the, the mic with the line

2015
01:29:35,945 --> 01:29:36,945
Through it. I got

2016
01:29:36,945 --> 01:29:39,385
it. Good. Madam Mayor

2017
01:29:39,525 --> 01:29:41,945
and council members, how are you all doing today?

2018
01:29:43,355 --> 01:29:44,705
We're well. Great.

2019
01:29:46,465 --> 01:29:50,225
I really enjoyed the presentations of all six

2020
01:29:50,965 --> 01:29:55,705
of the groups that you had between Monday and today.

2021
01:29:56,905 --> 01:30:00,985
I just, just one thing, um, I didn't, I wasn't clear on

2022
01:30:01,615 --> 01:30:05,905
when they were asked to come, if they're

2023
01:30:07,325 --> 01:30:11,745
in comparing the different, um, cities around us

2024
01:30:12,325 --> 01:30:14,025
in terms of compensations

2025
01:30:14,285 --> 01:30:17,065
or if the likelihood of

2026
01:30:19,365 --> 01:30:22,065
the compensations being equal

2027
01:30:22,445 --> 01:30:27,025
or close to, to make um, their recommendations from.

2028
01:30:27,785 --> 01:30:31,025
I did not hear anything mention of Montgomery County.

2029
01:30:31,445 --> 01:30:35,545
Are they also looking at Montgomery County?

2030
01:30:35,685 --> 01:30:37,585
And that's all I have to ask.

2031
01:30:38,855 --> 01:30:40,795
You know, I think I'd let Brianna answer that one

2032
01:30:40,915 --> 01:30:42,115
'cause she's been following that closely.

2033
01:30:42,265 --> 01:30:43,475
Brianna, I think they said they

2034
01:30:43,475 --> 01:30:44,555
were gonna look all around, right?

2035
01:30:44,825 --> 01:30:45,835
Yeah, I heard that too.

2036
01:30:45,975 --> 01:30:48,875
And then also, so it's interesting about Montgomery County

2037
01:30:49,015 --> 01:30:51,835
is that they have two gigantic municipalities

2038
01:30:52,095 --> 01:30:54,675
and several teeny, teeny, teeny tiny municipalities.

2039
01:30:55,135 --> 01:30:56,915
And so I think it would be hard

2040
01:30:56,915 --> 01:31:00,155
to find a peer city in Montgomery County.

2041
01:31:00,375 --> 01:31:03,395
Tacoma Park would probably be the closest in size,

2042
01:31:03,815 --> 01:31:05,755
but their budget is six times our,

2043
01:31:06,495 --> 01:31:08,475
so I would not say that they were up here.

2044
01:31:09,015 --> 01:31:10,635
Um, but you have Rockville

2045
01:31:10,735 --> 01:31:13,915
and Gaithersburg, which are gigantic conglomerate cities.

2046
01:31:14,255 --> 01:31:16,955
And then you have teeny tiny towns like, like, uh,

2047
01:31:17,545 --> 01:31:20,275
Only North Chevy Chase, which has like 12 people in it.

2048
01:31:22,975 --> 01:31:24,755
It would be, but that would be up to the consultant.

2049
01:31:24,755 --> 01:31:26,395
Alright. Yeah, the general don't answer question,

2050
01:31:26,395 --> 01:31:28,435
but I thought Brianna might have something to say on that.

2051
01:31:28,695 --> 01:31:30,075
Um, uh, I'm ready to, uh,

2052
01:31:30,655 --> 01:31:33,355
to take a motion to adjourn for the evening. I'm sorry.

2053
01:31:33,595 --> 01:31:34,795
I do wanna remind everyone,

2054
01:31:34,795 --> 01:31:37,555
since we're not gonna have a council meeting on Tuesday,

2055
01:31:38,155 --> 01:31:42,435
February 17th, please join us at the library for the, the,

2056
01:31:42,895 --> 01:31:47,835
the tool, um, safe Streets Public Hearing from

2057
01:31:48,515 --> 01:31:50,975
starting at six o'clock at the new Carrollton Library.

2058
01:31:51,155 --> 01:31:52,535
And I didn't include that in my announcement.

2059
01:31:52,535 --> 01:31:54,655
I should have the reason that News Tuesday is not good

2060
01:31:54,655 --> 01:31:56,855
for us to replace the Monday, that's the holidays

2061
01:31:56,855 --> 01:31:58,695
because the city has another function we're on

2062
01:31:58,805 --> 01:32:00,245
that the council members should attend.

2063
01:32:00,745 --> 01:32:02,285
So please make a note of that in your calendar

2064
01:32:02,305 --> 01:32:03,565
and we'll meet again on Wednesday.

2065
01:32:03,875 --> 01:32:05,085
Okay. Thank You Isha,

2066
01:32:05,085 --> 01:32:06,365
thank you for helping me clarify that.

2067
01:32:06,625 --> 01:32:08,085
If we have a motion to adjourn,

2068
01:32:08,085 --> 01:32:09,845
I'll go home. Mr. Chair, move

2069
01:32:09,905 --> 01:32:10,905
We adjourn.

2070
01:32:11,045 --> 01:32:13,365
I second I third

2071
01:32:14,475 --> 01:32:15,475
Cynthia in there. And

2072
01:32:15,475 --> 01:32:17,045
all in favor? Aye.

2073
01:32:18,545 --> 01:32:20,165
Aye. I think we got it.

2074
01:32:20,785 --> 01:32:21,925
And I'll apologize in advance.

2075
01:32:21,925 --> 01:32:23,725
They won't be able to attend that town hall

2076
01:32:23,725 --> 01:32:26,365
because I got free Trevor Noah tickets, so.

2077
01:32:27,065 --> 01:32:28,645
Oh. I'll be thinking of you

2078
01:32:28,665 --> 01:32:30,565
as I'm laughing hysterically at the work. Trevor.

2079
01:32:30,705 --> 01:32:33,885
No, he does an awesome show. Love you.

2080
01:32:35,095 --> 01:32:36,865
I've seen him a couple times. He's awesome.

2081
01:32:37,165 --> 01:32:38,705
Oh, that's awesome. Andres works at the

2082
01:32:38,705 --> 01:32:39,865
Warner, so he got his free tickets

2083
01:32:41,695 --> 01:32:43,545
Outstanding. Enjoy everybody.

2084
01:32:43,545 --> 01:32:44,665
Have a good night. Stay safe,

2085
01:32:45,815 --> 01:32:46,385
Stay warm.