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[0:05] Go ahead.
[0:09] Oh, sorry. I forgot about that.
[0:16] All right, at 7 o'clock, we'll call the August 17,
[0:19] I think in 2006, we have City Council meeting in order.
[0:23] We'll have roll call.
[0:25] Spell.
[0:27] Here.
[0:28] Okay.
[0:31] Dinner.
[0:32] Here.
[0:33] Careful.
[0:34] Larson.
[0:35] Here.
[0:36] Mugarak.
[0:36] Here.
[0:37] Shrekrat.
[0:37] Here.
[0:39] All right.
[0:40] We have a form.
[0:41] Item A is to approve the consent agenda.
[0:49] Just the agenda.
[0:49] other members of the agenda.
[0:51] I will do approval of the agenda.
[0:54] Okay, I have more for the agenda.
[0:58] All in favor say aye.
[0:59] Aye.
[1:00] Aye.
[1:01] Opposed?
[1:03] We have an agenda item B to approve the consent agenda.
[1:09] I want to do approval of the consent agenda.
[1:15] I have more for the consent agenda.
[1:18] All in favor say aye.
[1:19] Aye.
[1:21] Opposed?
[1:22] We have a motion carried item C as public comment.
[1:34] Seeing none, then we'll move to item B.
[1:39] Third and final reading for the chapter 77,
[1:42] Personal Transportation and Device Discussion.
[1:48] Yeah, and this is a third reading, and we have any discussion on any more changes.
[1:56] I'm very happy that this is my turn, because I just thought that somebody out in Hamilton
[2:01] coming to our yield sign, you know, he's got two rows on it, he's with it.
[2:06] You watch.
[2:09] So, what's going to happen to that?
[2:15] You like?
[2:18] your
[2:21] phone.
[2:26] We prefer it that way.
[2:33] If there's no discussion on motion to approve.
[2:38] We have motion to approve the final third reading for the ordinance on
[2:47] remaining the chapter 77 personal transportation device roll call.
[2:53] Spelt.
[2:54] Aye.
[2:54] Dinner.
[2:55] Aye.
[2:56] Careful.
[2:57] Aye.
[2:58] Larson.
[2:58] Aye.
[2:59] McGrath.
[2:59] Aye.
[3:00] Sure, Grant.
[3:01] Aye.
[3:02] The ordinance was approved in 9-04.
[3:07] Thanks for all the input and the labor that went into the meeting and everybody that put their
[3:16] comments and I appreciate it. And just a note of a technical issue it doesn't
[3:22] become law until it's published. So I'll try and get it in if we can. Okay
[3:30] that it's published Thursday. Okay then it will be law Thursday.
[3:35] And the next thing we'll work on is getting education. Yeah. Okay. And I think
[3:41] publication of the last life changes means internet too, it's Facebook. Social media, you mean?
[3:52] Well, the maintained official website, which, you know, we have all the code
[3:59] in North is there. I think they changed as of July, but was for like publications, paper,
[4:07] Internet sites, Internet and posting, or bulletin.
[4:13] Okay, very good. I'll double check that.
[4:16] So you don't have to board, but you should have a copy available at the counter.
[4:23] So it's going to be kind of professional like tomorrow?
[4:25] No.
[4:26] President, I'll pass it.
[4:28] No, no, no, no, no.
[4:29] When's your next, when's your first day?
[4:31] First day.
[4:32] When the paper hits the new stands on Thursday.
[4:48] I'll send it to you here okay thank you all right I'll send my digital
[4:58] Happy.
[5:01] Item E.
[5:03] Thank you.
[5:06] The City of Streets Finance report.
[5:10] Manual report.
[5:11] I prepare a beer.
[5:13] If you look at it, you can see that they want
[5:18] funds reported regardless of the
[5:22] fund it in, whether it's debt service,
[5:24] capital projects, so just summarizes the activity.
[5:28] all these numbers will directly tie back to the AFR and so it all matches out
[5:33] and VOT just requires a resolution from the council and then I will forward it
[5:39] to them.
[5:40] Then
[5:48] it'll move on to financial report.
[5:51] We're going to have a second.
[5:55] We'll have approval.
[5:57] Spelt.
[5:59] Aye.
[5:59] Dinner.
[6:00] Aye.
[6:02] Kiffel.
[6:02] Aye.
[6:03] Larson.
[6:04] Aye.
[6:04] McGraw.
[6:05] Aye.
[6:05] Sugar.
[6:06] Aye.
[6:07] Resolution 6, 8, 5, 7 of the doctrine.
[6:11] Item F, Microsoft parking lot, change order number 1.
[6:14] So,
[6:17] before eight o'clock tonight, we have a change order.
[6:20] We had some issues, I think, prior to seeing
[6:22] we were in a much activity, the parking lot
[6:25] over the last few weeks, there's issues with the soils.
[6:29] So, with that being said, the contractors and engineers
[6:33] and then working closely to figure out alternative options,
[6:37] ultimately, we'll be pouring out of the large section
[6:39] and bringing in rock.
[6:41] We'll also be adding some additional subterranean.
[6:43] So, with that, there's a change,
[6:44] or before you get any of 26,965 dollars, so just asking for your guys is blessing to approve this, so we can probably move forward, so I'll make sure we can find it right, so
[6:59] So, this is now put in the room and open, no, this is additional, and again, no idea that we're going to have these soil issues.
[7:11] We really have to core it out just because it has a diaper in there and it's working, and Trump's rescuing it.
[7:17] The soil is like very spongy, it's just not good.
[7:22] We don't know where the soil or the tissue came from, but we'll know what we're doing there in the past.
[7:25] That's the old sky cream that's sitting on the soil? Under town essentially, yeah.
[7:35] There's more in the middle of it, but just top it.
[7:42] That's the ginkgo, but they can knock it under it, so.
[7:44] So we did it.
[7:45] So we did it.
[7:47] Sure, yeah.
[7:54] Shrek Radmoo's resolution 6858, except we changed order number one with Jerry Tank Masonry
[8:00] in the amount of $26,965 to approve the resolution 6858 for the work order King's order
[8:18] number one on the roll call. Spells? Aye. Dinner? Aye. Kiple? Aye.
[8:25] Aye.
[8:25] Morrison.
[8:26] Aye.
[8:27] McGrath.
[8:27] Aye.
[8:28] Sugar.
[8:29] Aye.
[8:29] Resolution 6858 is adopted.
[8:34] Item G.
[8:36] Migrants from Parking Lab.
[8:37] Pay request number one.
[8:40] The amount of $30,420 to $18 cents.
[8:46] The interest is just essentially to pay for the workings of the material.
[8:54] So, this really has been looking at material with a fairly paper work, to this point,
[9:00] the RAM, the 3D, to what was been done, is kosher, so we read that, and that can be counted
[9:07] for $30,420.00 for each of the sends.
[9:15] I'm new to this, because it's time and practice, but they talk about it as work as a scope
[9:21] of work.
[9:25] 30%.
[9:27] Every so often you can say what's the time.
[9:30] I didn't have a question on the five, four years, two years, is that how you deal?
[9:37] It's not a big deal for a part of the mod if it was more of a straight project it would be, but is there a reason they went from $400 to $2?
[9:49] We've already approved it as a council to allow that, that happened two months ago or a month ago, but I can't really explain why that company couldn't get a 4-year list.
[10:04] Yeah, I buy experiences through graduates in the chair that's made to see it on the only
[10:10] trial or just was my representative on that one trying to slow it by the bottom of it.
[10:17] Like, he just told me that he's like, hey, I didn't get you anything more than just a two
[10:22] year.
[10:23] So, that wasn't what I came up with, so I'm not sure, but we worked it out with students.
[10:29] And there was a reduction on the overall issues that should show up in the first two years on it.
[10:38] Even assuming so, yes.
[10:42] But again, that's why we're also having stranded onsite to inspect things along the way.
[10:48] We also had tarot con, even as part of this,
[10:53] we made that tarot con higher down to also lose
[10:55] the inspection, so that's the regression stuff early on,
[10:59] so hopefully we can prevent it from going on.
[11:02] We'll test the answer to your questions now.
[11:05] Almost all project savings got paid request the other day
[11:10] from the plastic floor to the water meter rated.
[11:13] Pay for material just because cost material is part of it.
[11:17] So you'll have that for everyone in the objects even if the next one made our pay request for the OSIC
[11:25] I'll move that resolution number 1659 resolution approving pay request number one
[11:32] 288.8.8.8.8. I'll see the amount of 30,422.8. So it will be approved.
[11:42] I'll second.
[11:42] We have a motion to approve resolution 6859 for payment request number one for this
[11:51] Michael some parking lots.
[11:53] What I wrote all.
[11:55] Spelt?
[11:56] I.
[11:56] Dinner.
[11:58] I.
[11:58] Giffel.
[11:59] I.
[12:00] Larson.
[12:00] I.
[12:01] Migrat.
[12:02] I.
[12:02] Shookrat.
[12:04] The resolution is 6.8, 5.9 is adopted. Item 8. West Garfield's street extension pay request number 1.
[12:17] December, what we just talked about with this project, we paid a request of $250,000 and $240,000 in any buy-assence.
[12:27] Mainly in large part due to the back cohort that was put in place two weeks ago, so they're continuing to move forward.
[12:37] We've rest of the stormwater infrastructure was delivered today, so that project is continuing forward.
[12:44] I know they have a anticipated completion date of end of September, first part of October.
[12:49] So if they have paid in plan for the first or second week of September, so we'll finish the movement.
[13:12] You have motion second to approve resolution 6860 for the first pay request for the Garfield
[13:23] extension. What's called? Spelts.
[13:28] Dinner. Aye.
[13:30] Kiffel. Aye.
[13:31] Larson. Aye.
[13:33] Lugra. Aye.
[13:34] Shripra. Aye.
[13:36] Resolution 686-0 is adopted.
[13:41] Item 5. Logan Street, Cleveland Street.
[13:46] Reconstruction task order 26 days, 0-3.
[13:51] So
[13:58] I guess before us tonight we do have a task order from the stream, this is for the technical service, the side of things for this project.
[14:07] We're now getting into the construction phase. We originally had the task order number two was for the design.
[14:15] how that we approved the project before we approved the contract through the bid.
[14:22] We're now entering into the construction phase of the engineering.
[14:27] So that's what they got before us tonight is they've been into that.
[14:33] That's in the lunch sum of $125.
[14:41] Hi, some of the resolutions to state 6-1.
[14:44] The president has quarter, 26-03.
[14:47] Our Logan Street, Cleveland Street,
[14:54] We have a motion in second to approve resolution six eight six one
[15:00] roll call. Spelt, aye. Dinner. Aye. Kifl. Aye. Larson. Aye. Move your rat. Stroke rat, aye.
[15:09] The red lurking 6-8-6-1 is adopted.
[15:18] Item Gay, Terracon Proposal and Agreement for observations and material testing for
[15:27] Logan and Cleveland Street reconstruction projects.
[15:32] So before you, we have the proposal for Terracon.
[15:36] This is to allow them to continue testing throughout the duration of this project for Logan
[15:42] and Cleveland. And we kind of discussed the other various projects, especially with the parking lot.
[15:48] There's a lot of fun and proceed on knowing things. This will allow them just to test all the
[15:53] soils to ensure as we're going to the project that we need to bring in more rock, change the soil
[16:00] to the beneath wherever we need to do. This will allow us to have a testing done. Do you have
[16:07] Bryce here from Spain as well, do you have anything else to really take you back on with
[16:12] that way to fail to me?
[16:14] Isn't that something that's strange?
[16:16] Isn't Chargon?
[16:17] Is the project making sure of these?
[16:20] Correct?
[16:21] Like, I had a time.
[16:24] Chargon, they are the geotech engineers.
[16:27] They would be the expert group, come to the soil, and we're off to this.
[16:33] Give us recommendations.
[16:34] So what's on my mind is when we get these bids and they come in under several thousand dollars under what we
[16:46] can grant proposals, then all of a sudden we start getting these additions of 48,000, 35,000 on these different things.
[16:58] I mean, isn't there a way now we're in the project?
[17:03] Is there a way in the future that those things can be presented to the council along with what it's going to cost us?
[17:13] I mean, I would probably like to see that as well. I mean, I know that was something that he didn't include on top of the bench.
[17:20] I guess I didn't know that I'm kind of going through this thing as you guys now do.
[17:25] um, you know, essentially, Mitch said that, you know, he's a strange friend.
[17:34] He's been here in the earlier meetings.
[17:37] Um, he stated that, you know, he could have had tarot comms bit as part of that.
[17:41] And I kind of encourage that being the case moving forward because I just, you know, I did
[17:48] not know this cost, just, you know, a whole lot of those going to be after the fact, um,
[17:54] So, yeah, I'd like to see any further as well.
[17:57] But my issue is, Terrakon's already done coring in various locations along that, which
[18:04] should have a pretty good idea of what the soil looks like.
[18:10] And strain is in charge making sure the work works being done correctly.
[18:14] I personally have a hard time making thousands or that that's just my opinion.
[18:20] Is
[18:23] that not to exceed price that if it doesn't cost?
[18:30] I read the bill was attached and it couldn't be hired depending on how many tests they have to do.
[18:36] It's
[18:39] an estimate.
[18:47] It's a fine print.
[18:48] You can go back and say that's exceeding.
[18:54] Come to console again.
[18:55] Another $20,000 for the conditional board.
[19:01] You see, do you remember what the total cost for those that whole project was?
[19:05] It was like $3,000,000, $3,000,000, $167,000 or something like that.
[19:12] Okay.
[19:13] It was just I had $3,000,000.
[19:15] But the engineers estimate was like $4.2, $4.1,000 on there.
[19:20] I guess my thought is $50,000 to make sure that a $3,000,000 product is done correctly is worth it to me.
[19:28] especially when it came under. That's not tough.
[19:31] We don't know so dark. We're already running the same issue over here.
[19:35] We can't control this whole entire town.
[19:38] It still comes from around pretty much.
[19:40] So, what was the point of paying for all the quarry and stuff initially?
[19:44] That's the end of it all with a different point.
[19:47] No, there was some stuff that I don't remember well.
[19:52] Do you know what the initial stuff was?
[19:54] The initial quarry would just be part of
[19:57] for when the contractor business project
[19:59] you kind of idea what to do with it, so that's
[20:03] what the core of the street is looking for.
[20:08] I can tell you from a personal standpoint,
[20:10] I was not in committee when the event center
[20:13] was built 20 years, 25 years ago, whatever that was.
[20:17] And I was also on the building committee
[20:20] when the fire station was built.
[20:23] And both projects, they had to come back in and do testing
[20:27] after they originally did the thing because of what they found under the, under the, where
[20:34] the building was going to go. So you just, you don't know, there's a foundation at the
[20:39] fire station and up here there was, there was a, at the event center, there was a shingles underneath
[20:46] where the railroad had their rails and that's, so the shingles had to be put down 100 years
[20:51] ago. You know, so just something that you got to get a good base to start building on.
[20:58] You know, I'm a person on this. I understand what we're saying to get a big project.
[21:03] This is like less than one of the center of the project. But in the future, it would be nice to say,
[21:09] we kind of want to know if we've got to go back in and do 10 more boards or something like that.
[21:14] So we don't celebrate pulling way under on our price.
[21:17] I'm from back.
[21:18] Can you give me a hand?
[21:20] No, I understand the needs.
[21:22] I mean, that was a conversation that Mitch had with us
[21:25] when he submitted this over on Thursday last week.
[21:27] He said, you know, in the future,
[21:29] those letters included with the actual bid
[21:33] make the responsibility of the contractors
[21:36] as part of their bid to have this
[21:38] so it's included in that additional price.
[21:40] So that's something good to talk about.
[21:43] Is this only for how much?
[21:56] So I'll make a motion through through resolution number 6862 for mid-street
[22:04] agreement with the chaircon for the 11th street Cleveland street extension
[22:08] project for construction and conservation and material testing services to be approved.
[22:16] We have a motion of second to approve resolution 6-8-6-2, roll call.
[22:23] Spells.
[22:24] Aye.
[22:25] Denner.
[22:26] Aye.
[22:27] Kiple.
[22:28] Aye.
[22:29] Larson.
[22:29] Aye.
[22:30] McGrat.
[22:31] Nay.
[22:32] Sugar.
[22:33] Aye.
[22:35] Resolution 6-8-6-2 is adopted.
[22:39] Item K.
[22:46] So before tonight is the task order to start the design, I guess it's very time to start
[22:51] to do with this is for the standard complete design software, which will be from Main Street
[22:58] all the way down to Garfield.
[23:01] We already initially crewed the initial task order to have it included with the bonding
[23:07] So now we're just at that base, design, go through the winter months with the anticipation
[23:13] of going out to bed and through that project and potentially marching, go next year
[23:18] with construction start in April May.
[23:21] We've already had some meetings at the school, trying to figure out how we're into the configuration
[23:27] between main and hamptons, so that's all going to get re-piced.
[23:33] and we're planning to do the street like, hold it in place.
[23:37] We're happening all new waters, sewers, water and everything.
[23:42] Do it right.
[23:43] Our also holds and goals is to kind of widen
[23:45] a little bit in that area.
[23:47] The streets are more narrow.
[23:49] That angle part of the river, the angle will help.
[23:53] We're going to make this one.
[23:55] The strands are going to figure out a couple of different options
[23:58] that we can work on to the school.
[23:59] So we'll see how it's going to take up the drop off zone and we'll probably try to add more parking on the west side as well
[24:06] between Spring and the Hamilton right now it's very convoluted, the right away is actually wider, there's a lot more
[24:14] address so we think we can narrow that up so someone has more parking, our hosts just make it better and more safe than we so
[24:21] but we're in that design phase now and we'll proceed forward in that.
[24:25] North
[24:28] Frontaway and the Planes Band Sticks.
[24:31] That's made more of that.
[24:32] That'll probably be a bit more like vegetable, probably designed.
[24:39] Right now, I'm kind of in a bit.
[24:41] It is.
[24:43] Just some dry ones.
[24:46] Right, yes.
[24:46] I'll go right in the way.
[24:50] Nice little residence in 6863, a broken task order 26 before the South Frontaway,
[25:08] We have a motion and second to approve resolution 6863, I roll call.
[25:15] Spelt.
[25:16] Aye.
[25:17] Dinner.
[25:18] Aye.
[25:19] Kiffel.
[25:20] Aye.
[25:20] Larson.
[25:21] Aye.
[25:22] McGrat.
[25:22] Aye.
[25:24] Sugar.
[25:24] Aye.
[25:25] The resolution of 6863 is adopted, item L, self-industrial park amendment 2 task force,
[25:36] first task order 25 days, 0, 3.
[25:41] So, would the original task order for the self-industrial park was approved?
[25:47] We didn't know that we were implying for a rise camp and there's a lot more regulations
[25:53] The regulations and requirements that need to be submitted, so with that, there's like an additional $9,000 engineering cost to cover related work that was associated with that.
[26:05] But the 9,000 welcome onto the ice cream.
[26:07] All right, this is required to be done, right?
[26:12] I'll use that.
[26:14] It's more resolution moving to task order number 25,
[26:18] national 3-bit self-adjusted report project.
[26:23] Excellent.
[26:24] Good.
[26:24] Go ahead, Jim.
[26:25] I'll second.
[26:26] We have motion second to approve resolution 6-8, order 6-8-6-4,
[26:32] for the test work order on 25 days or three.
[26:39] I have roll call.
[26:40] Spelt.
[26:41] Aye.
[26:41] Dinner.
[26:43] Aye.
[26:43] Kiple.
[26:44] Aye.
[26:45] Larson.
[26:46] Aye.
[26:46] McGrath.
[26:47] Aye.
[26:47] Sugar.
[26:48] Aye.
[26:49] McGrath.
[26:50] Aye.
[26:51] Aye.
[26:52] McGrath.
[26:53] Aye.
[26:53] McGrath.
[27:00] Aye.
[27:04] McGrath.
[27:05] Aye.
[27:05] So again, I actually stated earlier, it also was raised that this is the initial soil
[27:12] warrant testing of the area to get a gauge of what the soil is made to be light out there
[27:18] in the south industrial part.
[27:20] So when we prepare the bids, as of right now, the top of the mitch, all right, just made
[27:26] a timeline of going out to bid is November December for this project.
[27:29] So he wants to get that information hopefully done here soon and put it in the bid packet.
[27:34] so contractors know what they're dealing with somewhat before start.
[27:41] I know they're planning on smithing their flat to us here in the next couple of weeks so that'll go before the plan and zoning commissions on the 21st of September so we are only actively going forward with that project.
[27:56] What
[28:00] does it say on the material?
[28:08] Well, this amount fell up again, too,
[28:10] and you're doing levels.
[28:14] I don't know the answer.
[28:16] I mean, again, this is just the initial testing.
[28:20] I mean, no contractors will order really a bit of sight
[28:22] unless they know what they're dealing with for the soil.
[28:24] So, it's hard to bid a project,
[28:28] if you don't know what you're going to bring in more rock.
[28:30] I mean, this will give you a rough idea of what you're dealing with.
[28:35] I hope we will eliminate some changes later, because you know, it holds me in hand with the
[28:41] gorgeous.
[28:43] And this is tough, because we pay back what's there.
[28:47] And is there any things always come up?
[28:52] But if we start to reach the 1970s, and could that go beyond that possibly?
[28:59] And if so, would it be reasonable?
[29:02] I wouldn't think it would for borings. We've had borings out the South Industrial Park in the past with the industries that are out there in the state of Iowa says we have to do so.
[29:10] We have borings out there every time we put a new industry out there, but these are what they say the initial boring costs are.
[29:17] Now afterwards, once the bidder gets it, I don't know what the new contractors are going to say, but I wouldn't think with an inch.
[29:38] So, if there is, after the bid, then we've got to do some more forings for another $40,000.
[29:44] Is the rise grant paid for that?
[29:48] Well, we get a flat amount, 50% of what we spent.
[29:51] And so, you know, we can now that the rise grant has been approved and granted to us.
[29:59] Now, all in...
[30:21] We have motion, second, two, approved, resolution, six, eight, six, five, roll call. Spelts, dinner,
[30:31] here.
[30:32] Five.
[30:32] Kipple.
[30:33] Larson.
[30:35] Hi.
[30:35] McGrath.
[30:36] Hi.
[30:37] Swickran.
[30:38] Hi.
[30:40] The resolution 6865 is adopted.
[30:44] Item M is board of adjustment hearing decision.
[30:50] So tonight we have board of adjustment meetings for Bradley and Jordan Nelson.
[30:55] They live out at 1934 Mission Avenue, which is within a two mile
[31:01] limits and outside of the elements, their request today was for an additional 90 and 4.5 inches
[31:09] above the maximum 20 foot for an accessory structure. The board was mainly voted 4.1 with
[31:17] one attention to approve that very interquest. So that was before us tonight.
[31:28] The questions
[31:35] Oh, thank you, John.
[31:39] Thank you.
[31:40] Did you ever answer to anybody next to the board?
[31:45] All right.
[31:47] I don't know the discussion on that, then.
[31:49] I'm old.
[31:51] W-W-P-P, 60% of the buying options, of course.
[31:56] Wastewater treatment class.
[31:58] We've been sold out to people.
[32:02] We've met with Stram.
[32:03] on just 60% design of our waste water treatment plant.
[32:08] Got some, that's a good news.
[32:12] And when we last talked year to ago,
[32:15] our plant was around 47 million in change.
[32:19] That cost just based on cost opinions
[32:22] from what other plants have been fitted over the last year.
[32:26] That cost has essentially risen based on the comparables
[32:31] of one other equipment, material, contractor bids, and I thought it would come in that.
[32:38] Their estimated range is still between $44 million and $59 million.
[32:44] One in particular that was just bid on June 2nd was independent Swiss water plant that
[32:52] came in 18 million over the interiors estimate.
[32:56] The city still liked to move forward because they're kind of in the same boat.
[33:00] So they have to make deadlines and they're worried some is a longer way, the chance of it going up this more.
[33:08] Mason City went out to bed or hooked a bid earlier this year.
[33:12] Their estimate was 33.8 million and came in at 45 million.
[33:18] So 12 million over. So what we're seeing across the state, it's not good.
[33:23] Everything's going up dramatically.
[33:26] and a large part of it is these contractors that specialize in doing wastewater plants have decided
[33:33] why is spending two, three years doing wastewater plant when you have to bottle all these state regulations
[33:39] and pickups, wash away, and yes, the state has vacant wage rates by American cloths, things of that nature.
[33:47] They're jumping chip and going to construction data centers where they can do that in literally three to six months
[33:54] and make just as much money and don't have to borrow the same guidelines regularly.
[33:58] So that's what they're seeing, they're also seeing with terrorists, they're also seeing
[34:02] with just cost material, will be time to get material in, these have all become factors.
[34:10] And again, it's just a cost of opinion, so we're timeline right now and just being to go
[34:17] out to bed in January of February from this waste water plant, they plan to have the 100%
[34:22] design studies done in November when they submitted off to DNR for review and approval over
[34:30] the winter months, but I don't know what now till Central January November is going to be.
[34:36] I would assume the cost may stay about the same and not to look more, but you rather us be prepared
[34:44] of what the cost opinion came in at and not be shell shot when at least 12 or 18 million
[34:49] over with these other communities are experiencing. So with that being said, I'll
[34:56] recognize that and on a meeting the other day with Travis Squires are what is
[35:04] the early finance. Financial advisor? Yeah. So we sat in with them just trying to
[35:11] figure out where we sit based on our rate structure that we implemented if we're
[35:17] able to make the payments, we may have to add one more year of a 25 percent increase
[35:23] to make it doable and potentially another year of a 12 percent, but he said that if the
[35:32] council would want in another work session to kind of go through everything, to explore
[35:37] all other options, they would be well-traveled as well for engineers, they would entertain
[35:44] that to have a work session with the council to discuss this, I don't think any decision
[35:50] needs to be made right now. I think we have time, you know, continue to design process,
[35:56] go up to bed, see where the actual hard numbers come in at. And then at that time, we do have time
[36:02] to essentially if we have to increase rates or look at further options, remind certainly
[36:08] but right now we're looking at doing
[36:11] in SRF state revolving loan fund,
[36:14] which is alone for 20 years.
[36:16] We do have the option to go into 30 years.
[36:20] Don't quote me on this,
[36:21] but did he say it was like additional 10 to 12 million?
[36:24] In interest.
[36:25] Just an interest.
[36:26] If we extended out 10 years,
[36:28] it's pretty significant.
[36:29] I'm not aware of that.
[36:30] That's what we should do.
[36:31] So, one of the ideas that buy us some more time
[36:33] are payments each year aren't as high,
[36:35] but I can't justify paying our 10 to 12 million
[36:38] over a course of 10 years, you know, we started this process back in 2015. That's when the
[36:46] initial silly plan was done per the DNR biopin. When we have DNR do the silly plan, you know,
[36:57] at that time in 2015 it was 16 million. At 21 when I started here, we started the silly plan
[37:05] process again because they're only good for five years that cost was anticipated here on 28 billion.
[37:13] Then last year was about 47 million and every time you're on it just keeps going up and we're trying
[37:20] to do everything we can to power the cut. There's nothing really to cut.
[37:24] How can we use the city building 45 million? There is doing some additions. They want
[37:30] and we don't have a river to discharge it.
[37:35] Our problem is our stream, you know, strength range trees.
[37:39] If we were discharging in the lots of vinegar,
[37:43] we have a lot less room for water.
[37:46] It's just a smaller body of water,
[37:49] the upper body is the water that we discharge,
[37:52] it has to be within the water we drink.
[38:05] So I've heard in the public how in the other way are we going to work this?
[38:12] I don't know, now I'm going to write a letter to the Sunkenberg region.
[38:16] Over the last year we did do some tweaking on the bell foods and what pay value is here.
[38:23] They're both operating under maintenance and operation and cost.
[38:27] Those at both since then eliminated.
[38:29] We got them paying the same amount.
[38:31] We will see a substantial large amount coming in, but we don't know what is that, numbers.
[38:35] all we got is estimates based on the proposals of what their plan to use will be. A large part of
[38:45] both develop and that will represent is, you know, we ask that all industry do pre-treatment
[38:54] before any waste is discharged to the city because in the past, for example, developed and have
[38:59] a good pre-treatment system. So if everything that they were discharged and we had to pre-treat,
[39:03] it was costing the city additional money at this time they're actually going to be constructing
[39:08] an EQ based on our EQ takeout at the facility so they'll actually be doing more pre-treatment
[39:14] so that should help take some costs away from what we've been put in for pre-treatment.
[39:21] I know Rembrandt has put in like a $2 or $3 million pre-treatment system so what we've seen
[39:27] over the last month or two of them in this chart and we're getting hardly nothing like
[39:30] This stuff is almost free to be when it comes to it, so it's doing what we've asked, but we've
[39:38] also implemented some surcharges in place as well. So, for example, like Debell with the surcharges,
[39:44] anytime that we get a free treat, the stuff that they're sending to us, like the first month we collected
[39:50] like almost $12,000, this free treatment surcharges, the second month was like $8,000, the third month was
[39:57] like 9,000. This is an additional money that we were not talking about in the past.
[40:01] It was causing us to do that for treatment.
[40:03] So we are starting to see a little bit more money coming, which is a good thing.
[40:10] I know having talks with Travis East, and we would be very comfortable based on what we had with the old M&O.
[40:18] When that wasn't placed, the fellow M&O was going away.
[40:21] He feels that we, we said a lot better, but we just don't know until these costs come in.
[40:28] When we had that 47 million us, we were going to be just comfortable with making those payments
[40:34] each year.
[40:35] I know it's a lot, but we were going to be able to make it over at one year long period.
[40:39] We're
[40:44] going to be at it, but I would probably recommend that we do have that word session
[40:47] just so you guys can get filled in with scram and filled in with Travis, I thought I was
[40:57] pretty good with spread sheets, but he's really good.
[41:01] He's got everything broken out by the year, different variations, whether it's VA, SRF,
[41:10] he's bringing it up that these means we have that we should look at doing the USDA loan,
[41:16] which you could actually get a grant for, but I'm not really keen on that just for the fact.
[41:22] USDA does give you option to get a 40-year loan, but it also puts in a clause of by America,
[41:28] So every single column of that entire plant has to be every material, but it's bold, not
[41:35] anything healthy made in America.
[41:37] And it does get the cost of by 10 to 15 percent.
[41:42] And then we would also be required to submit a new facility plan that means USDA requirements,
[41:47] which would essentially create a project out another year, year and a half.
[41:52] So I don't know if I'm in favor of that, but you can push the project up because all of
[41:56] and I just like to push in the project up.
[41:59] I'm also not keen on having a 40-year loan
[42:02] because plans are only good for about
[42:04] approximately 30 or 40 years.
[42:06] Oh, the interest a little too.
[42:08] Never would.
[42:08] So again, I'm just not real keen on the U.S. Day,
[42:11] but it's just in that big branch though.
[42:13] You can get it in your hand,
[42:14] but I think Winner set it out one day,
[42:17] set it here this last year.
[42:21] And it was only like a million dollars
[42:23] is all I got out of it.
[42:26] It's better than nothing, but you're also going to have your cost is going to be bucked
[42:30] up by a 10 to 15% too, so if you look at 10 million, if our point was to say 47 million,
[42:38] you add 10%, that's 4.7 million potentially that's going to get added, so I don't know
[42:44] if it's worth it, I mean, because you have to go up to 40 years for a long, but I don't
[42:53] Is there any place where the offer is zero percent financing for the city or the municipality?
[42:57] You know, state Logan 1 fund is the best that's out there and the state is Logan 1 fund.
[43:03] And right now they'll quote the honest, it's like 2.8 something but then you guys add in percentages so it comes out to like 3 something.
[43:11] That's the best there is, which is pretty cheap right now, it is.
[43:17] and the SRF they they have a new percent every quarter or so we can't block it
[43:23] in every it'll just be at a pin right now we have a zero percent interest state
[43:31] state will be going for the design but once we're done the design that design will
[43:39] It's converted over to the actual 20-year-old.
[43:48] Thank you for the news.
[43:51] I'm in favor of having a listen.
[43:54] Is there a certain day, time, that works for a buddy?
[44:01] Oh, friends of mine.
[44:03] Well, I don't know what tradition.
[44:05] Yeah, so thank you.
[44:06] We're going to talk to them.
[44:07] Do we get them together and give them a digital pool?
[44:10] Have them give us a full day.
[44:12] Yes, yes.
[44:12] We'll find a battery there and get it there.
[44:15] September 14 through the 22nd I will be done.
[44:18] What is it?
[44:19] September 14 through the 22nd.
[44:23] And I'll be off for a while after, I told you
[44:26] seven people to spend this room to reach there.
[44:32] Okay.
[44:33] I will just share a nice little room.
[44:34] We'll see what they have available.
[44:36] And we'll come over and we'll be back and push down.
[44:39] Okay.
[44:40] Just wanted to bring up the tickets.
[44:44] I can't.
[44:45] Okay.
[44:46] in the other business?
[44:48] Yep, I do.
[44:51] As you just approved $300,000 in contracts or payments,
[44:56] we don't have any money yet from our bonds.
[45:00] So I reached out to Travis again. His comment is, Doris has been completing all the preliminary work they can waiting for the finalized debt structure and dates. So this is just for the street projects, not the waste letter plan. Piper should have the finalized debt structure available this evening and will coordinate dates with Doris. The rating agency has been prepped. The timeline should get rolling quickly this week on an expedited basis.
[45:28] Council can use lost funds for the cash flow until the bond proceeds are
[45:34] received. And then we'll move forward. What do you mean? What do you mean? Just
[45:40] show money over here and not everything. Yep. So that should be coming.
[45:50] Okay. We're much much. I do want to talk about the EMA meeting
[45:56] and see what your thoughts are on that if you have any thoughts as how that's going
[46:04] to move forward to the benefit of everybody in the county?
[46:11] No, and for the field, there's some chatter about kind of merge the EMAs departments with possibly another county or another county falling under ours.
[46:29] There's no money to finance it for another year, so we have to look at options of what
[46:44] we can do.
[46:46] The cities aren't willing to put more money into it because this is all done after the
[46:53] budget was adopted for all the towns.
[46:58] The county isn't putting more money into it.
[47:02] So, you know, the options are merging with another county possibly.
[47:10] You know, we already
[47:11] have some mutual aid agreements with other counties. You know, the counties are owned for
[47:16] or help with a lot of talent or canning rest back in the day if any was out of town.
[47:22] I haven't been something major happened.
[47:27] So, as far as how I would vote, I'll say tell you here more of the details that I don't know.
[47:37] I just, I have reservations about regionalizing or going
[47:43] with when she counted in EMA just because of how much time they would or would not spend
[47:50] here. I know there is, what I was told today is there's $19,000 in FEMA money that Jeff
[47:57] could apply for Kenny and AJ both did to cover part of his wages. Jeff has not, my understanding
[48:06] The screening has not done the paperwork for that $19,000 a year, but if Winshie County would take over, that person would have to spend 20 hours per week in Chickasaw County to be eligible for that money.
[48:22] I don't see Winshie County being able to spend half of their week in the county.
[48:32] Steve Breibach, I met with him last night, you know, and his proposal to me was, the
[48:44] county paid $65,172 of his just budget request was $113,755, and I could get copies of
[48:53] anybody wants it. And his proposal knew him to pay $24,052.70 a year.
[49:05] If we did a per capita
[49:07] basis, even with them taking it out of general supplemental, if we did a per capita basis,
[49:15] we'd end up paying about $33,000. So this is actually a better deal financially.
[49:25] And
[49:26] And if Jeff could pursue that 19,000 FEMA,
[49:29] they could save everybody a little bit of money.
[49:32] Where do you taxed for a DNA?
[49:38] They have to disclose how much EMA is funded,
[49:42] but Matthew's paying for it.
[49:45] He got what he got that to do.
[49:51] He got what assessor's office, Ray.
[49:55] And under General Supplemental,
[50:01] the rural citizens fund that $1.278 million, the urban
[50:06] citizens fund that $504,000. So that's where they got the 72% of that fund is funded by
[50:13] the rural people.
[50:19] And 29% is funded by urban. And urban has, you know, two rural people, there's
[50:29] 4,955 residents and 7,057 urban residents, the cities have more people.
[50:41] The hard thing I have with that is, I've seen a comment on my Facebook post
[50:47] on them finding people about the meaning.
[50:52] One of the comments was, well, the cities have more people.
[50:56] EMA helps people. EMA does a lot more than help people.
[50:58] infrastructure, roads, buildings, fields, the theme of funding we get, 4.7 million dollars
[51:07] of theme of funding, funding just for roads in the last 20 years.
[51:13] So yeah,
[51:17] I would personally like to see Jeff get that 19,000 for his wages and hopefully
[51:22] to pursue some more funding mechanisms,
[51:26] whether it be grants or whatever,
[51:28] but I guess there's some sort of resolution
[51:33] where if the cities have to help financially
[51:39] to make it work, do we do that in the meantime?
[51:42] I personally would like,
[51:43] I don't know how they go about doing it.
[51:47] Steve's concern was 2090C and how it's set up
[51:50] where his concern was the city's can vote but the county has to pay the old
[51:56] dad and I said well why don't we can the EMA board take some of the money they
[52:03] got left over hiring an attorney and get a get a judges opinion on 29 C and how
[52:09] that applies to food pays for what so that's kind of seems like the biggest
[52:14] class how to interpret that law
[52:21] and the county attorney can't represent the
[52:23] EMA board. So they have no legal person to tell them they would get a judge
[52:32] and the judge isn't gonna get an opinion they need to they could probably ask
[52:39] unnecessary to give an opinion where they can maybe ask the attorney general or the
[52:45] county three, the
[52:48] college.
[52:52] But it can't, fairly the county three walls. He's got to represent the county.
[52:59] We ran in those back when there was the ambulance house and everything else. I mean, the, you know, those, the ambulance committee had no power, but the, um, the EMA board had no power.
[53:19] you know it's you know our hands are basically tied on that too. How much is this decision was based on how many's management of their budget had to cut all the importance in the end of the
[54:01] So Karen, okay, we're taxed, we're taxed, AMA, cracked another five-three taxes, and we're taxed
[54:08] rural.
[54:11] I think it goes under rural funds.
[54:13] Yeah.
[54:14] So we got a firm dying on the federal funds and didn't we have children 55,000 or something from the digital, on the U.M.A.
[54:22] We're going to have to shoot.
[54:25] It's a good thing you see that because urban does pay the general basic also.
[54:29] That total is 1,000.
[54:30] It looks fairly familiar.
[54:31] 1.459 million urban pays to county taxes.
[54:37] Yes.
[54:37] So that's what we're trying to figure out how, if we're paying them back to the money to use their county facilities, the courthouse, the sheriff's office.
[54:48] While we're getting double debt, double bill for just about two.
[54:51] But why is our share of that going to that?
[54:57] And not just his $69,000 or $79,000 budget.
[55:04] We're paying in. Where's the money going?
[55:08] And they have all these properties, they pay no property tax, they pay nothing to our
[55:13] third apartment.
[55:14] One has a response.
[55:16] I mentioned that.
[55:17] He says, well, city folks use the courthouse, too, and as the wall, you can't use our streets
[55:23] to get to the courthouse.
[55:24] It's kind of a move point.
[55:26] We use our courthouse, our grocery store.
[55:28] We use our things too, but that's why I can't understand why we're expected to pay $1.5
[55:35] $1.5 into their rural, general stuff,
[55:38] well, not a little bit of a fun to go sent to.
[55:40] I doubt if the information I'm available with me,
[55:42] but then they're saying that we're not paying enough.
[55:48] When I got from the article,
[55:50] was that the state legislature changed
[55:54] how much funding can go to.
[55:58] So basically, they're saying,
[56:00] well, even if you have the money,
[56:01] you can't or are not feeling
[56:04] with the rich as many.
[56:05] Even if you have the money,
[56:06] you can't give it to them because only this much is supposed to go to them. That
[56:11] applies to reduced how much that's because they instead of budgeting the
[56:17] one-thirteen the only budget at 65 and then the new law went to effect. Now they're
[56:23] stuck with the one-thirteen if they were to set with the one-thirteen then we would
[56:30] been okay. Yeah. Again. We're paying. They can't do it. No. No, so now you can change
[56:40] out the new law.
[56:43] Well, this is a problem because he only applies to us.
[56:48] It's everybody's
[56:49] problem. Yeah, it's an important part. I think somewhere down the road, we're running
[56:56] a huge snag if we have a disaster and trying to get female reimbursement or female funds.
[57:03] And when a sheet's next door, so if the disaster comes through Chickasaw, it might hit when
[57:08] a sheet, too.
[57:08] And where is this priority?
[57:09] It's going to be.
[57:10] Yeah.
[57:11] I don't want to see this.
[57:13] I don't know why we need to make some further mistakes.
[57:25] The other point of that is, you know, if Jeff went to part time, we're going to do the 9-1-1
[57:33] stuff.
[57:34] And that wasn't in his report, but a lot wasn't in the draft side of the side of the
[57:39] field anyway.
[57:43] I did meet with J. Cacman and Joe Boots in this morning at the Himalayan, their possibility
[57:56] of
[57:59] combining another job into Jeff's duties.
[58:05] I haven't discussed this with the Board of Health, but years ago Kenny was seen as a
[58:10] the state of Perian and their environmental health, whatever you want to call it now,
[58:16] but somehow that got put under the Board of Health, and the Board of Health gave that
[58:22] back to the supervisors and Jeff do both of those jobs and deal to keep his employment.
[58:31] Is that an alternative position?
[58:59] I don't know if Jeff could get his job done per time. I don't know if, if they both wish he'd get Sean and can provide ad quit because they asked for planning and all that stuff with businesses.
[59:14] is because Jeff works of course just trademark as an example they have. He works at trademark
[59:20] on their disaster planes that almost every year.
[59:24] It does hard as that one for every four years.
[59:31] If we have a tornado come through or another huge flood, then what?
[59:39] You know, it could be
[59:41] just up the simple, that's in my eye since I'm 63,
[59:44] I got 300 gallons of diesel fuel
[59:46] and that's gotta be addressed.
[59:51] I would just hate to see the department
[59:57] eliminated or moved out of the county.
[59:59] Great.
[1:00:16] All right. We move under business and well, and ask for a signature. We have motion. I'm working for the whole favor of
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