[This transcript was generated automatically from audio using AI and hasn't been reviewed by a person -- it can contain mistakes, including plausible-sounding sentences that were never actually said. Treat it as a starting point, not a verbatim record.] [0:01] Okay, it looks like it's recording. Okay, if it's not, I'm going with best. [0:16] Okay, it's at 7-7 in the date is August 26th. [0:29] I'd like to thank you to the two of us in the United States, America, and to the Republican [0:34] Party for which it stands. [0:36] One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:40] I'd like to make a feel for each of you. [0:43] I'm lemon. [0:45] I love it. [0:46] Okay. [0:47] And today, an attendance is Vice Chair Ryan Frisbee, member Eric Burns, Captain. [0:58] assistant chief. assistant chief. assistant chief. I can read room right. assistant chief. assistant chief. [1:03] Richard Carter. I'm Kathy Huckabee, the board of clerk and office manager. [1:08] Also who will be attending is Pat Lincoln's team. He's running a few minutes late. [1:16] Chief Banks has asked assistant chief to step in and I should do it. [1:25] there is no members of the community. [1:27] And [1:33] we have to approve both the actual meeting in July and the public hearing. [1:40] So we need two different motions. [1:42] I make a motion that we approve the minutes from the public hearing. [1:49] I'm sorry, we'll have to wait till Pat gets here. [1:51] Oh, because we don't have the point. [1:53] I thought a second. [1:54] Okay. [1:56] Okay. [2:01] If you want to wait till Pat has a discussion on the Truth and Taxation, but I can talk about the EMR unless he's briefed you. [2:12] Briefly, briefly. [2:13] You want to brief us briefly? [2:16] Let me grab my notes for him. [2:18] I know we are still currently just flooding away, and if we've knocked out some of our, [2:24] that [2:29] we've been, you know, need to get with it, turn to getting our ambulance, [2:32] and our inventory's correct, inventory's correct, [2:37] anything else that you haven't had here. [2:39] The EMR application has been submitted, [2:44] and that's kind of a wrap on the EMR, on the response thing. [2:49] And Jim and I met, one of the things we have to do is go over our personal files, [2:54] and we've got those all entered now into the e-reports. [2:58] We've setting up a with [3:04] a medical licensing place [3:06] under Kirschner's medical license [3:09] that we'll be able to purchase the things that we need to purchase. [3:12] We did find out this that there was a question about insurance [3:19] and we ran into a glitch because Kirschner's leaving [3:26] and we were going to operate under him but he is insured medically through the [3:33] agency he works for. So he doesn't carry his own medical malpractice. When I talk [3:39] to ours they said the thought of us having to license somebody and carry the [3:47] medical malpractice is not realistic. So they suggested that we find a doctor who's [3:53] is going to take a Kirchner's place that has his own practice and already has his medical [3:59] malpractice. [4:00] That will be our next hurdle and if they have their own private practice, they're carrying [4:07] it. [4:08] But trying to get somebody in this area, we might be looking at Dr. Reber, Reber, Reber, [4:14] Reber. [4:15] He's a diatrist. [4:17] And I had mentioned to Jim to talk to the bridge, the doctor of the bridge, I'm going to town, because that might be a good thing for them to develop a little community connection and help us out as well. [4:30] If the town doesn't stop that, I mean... [4:33] Keep trying, I know. [4:34] I know, they would make good neighbors too, I don't get it. [4:37] Anyway, so that was the only other glitch. [4:39] and we meet weekly, so it's continuing on. [4:53] Okay, so the next one, first [5:00] we have to start stepping up our game on drug testing [5:03] and we also have to step up our game on that process. [5:10] So as the process happens now, as somebody applies, [5:13] We accept the object, accept the application, and then we send them for a drug test, we get the application, we start working them, and then we start waiting for a background. [5:25] Thanks for visiting the other day by the way. [5:29] Enjoying this now is Pat Flankinstein. [5:32] So we're talking about the drug policy. Part of the drug policy, part of the licensee [5:38] free MR is drug policy and backgrounds. So we've been trying to tighten up our game [5:42] on both of those things, which led me to start reading the drug policy and retiping it. [5:49] It is so labor intensive. And Jim and I sat down and looked at it. If you were to follow [5:57] the policy is it is now Eric you would be making the appointments following up on [6:02] the appointments telling them when to go and where they could go and that is [6:08] all nice but it's not necessary so what we are asking the board today is to [6:15] let Jim and I and who do you know you're right you're gonna get dragged into [6:22] as two because of training. Look at that and just streamline it and it would look something [6:28] more like, if somebody comes in we tell them to go get a drug test. You can go cedar or [6:34] you can go Washington. The drug test comes back to us and I get that that they want it to [6:40] be, the way they had it down before is they don't want it to be able to have anybody's [6:49] And if you get too much time, they can't, but having taken one here, they really do watch. [6:56] They're not in parole and, you know, they have all kinds of contractions where you can [7:01] fake trying to urinate into a bottle, but they're really good about that here. [7:07] And we are thinking that if we streamline it more to the effect that somebody applies, we [7:15] telling them to go get the drug test, and that's what we do have to do in this entire [7:18] time anyway. [7:19] It comes back. [7:20] Now, if it comes back dirty, then we have a different policy. [7:24] But if it comes back regular, then we allow them onto the fire department, and they start [7:28] their training portal calls, and they're doing a lot more with having trainees as versus [7:33] fire fighters. [7:34] And then what we would need you, Eric, is that on a regular basis, we would call somebody. [7:41] You would give them a timeframe, but let them make their own appointment. [7:46] And then if they don't do it within the 24 hours and they don't have a reason, then they're [7:51] dismissed. [7:54] And of course, you know, hey, I'm out of town, that kind of thing, but I think that we [7:58] could make it much more user-friendly and less labor-intensive because when I was reading [8:03] this and, you know, I'm going to bore you with the details. [8:06] You know how you've read it? [8:09] I'm like, if I was there, I'd say, no, because it's like a full-time job in this. [8:15] So, back when we were actually doing the random drug testing, we really didn't follow the policy. [8:20] I guess not everybody in number had a random number, a general broker, a generator, a generator number, I'd call you, this is the person you tell me. [8:30] And that's fine. What we were doing made sense. What our policy, we weren't following, didn't make sense. [8:37] So, that's basically what Jim and I are saying, is that we need to align the policy. [8:40] We're on the policy with reality and then we're okay to go through that. We will present that next week [8:47] Our next meeting okay [8:50] Motion on that one [9:28] The minutes make a motion that we approved the minutes from the public meeting and from the [9:34] Board meeting that we got [9:36] In July [9:48] Okay, so we made a lot of progress. He's been working this tail on. Yeah, so we [9:58] Don't you guys before the number of parcels it's properties properties [10:05] I don't even know if I call it's owners it's owners [10:08] In a minute went up to two right and went up to two and I think the reason that he says probably accurate [10:17] More than one [10:17] properties. So you have a person in the properties. So like one person can own [10:24] multiple properties and they all get different letters. According to the [10:28] property. So we like the last time we talked we talked about what the average [10:34] market value was the percentage that it would be the amount that it would bring [10:40] in per year. Do you have that money? [10:46] Bottom line is we have reforms over the postcards [10:50] ready to go. The printer has the proofs that they sent to Kathy and I two days ago. And [10:58] it will go up to that in 2000. People, even though it's one person multiple times, but by [11:03] All you got to know find the right person Kathy has submitted the information for the spectrum [11:10] Yeah, and it was real it was going to run two weeks [11:14] We have the public notice it'll run the 24th and the first what was the first something seven? [11:22] Yes, so before so we got our public notices are done and we also have the Utah State Audit States site [11:30] published so our notices are in compliance and we I talked to water [11:41] board guy [11:44] McCleary, Tom? Isn't that our water board people? Yeah about using the building [11:50] and he said of course we could then he came back and he said you know what my [11:55] our insurance want us to carry at one day like increase some insurance so we [12:01] have to carry them for a day on that meeting, because it'll just be for six months. [12:05] It doesn't cost us a thing. [12:06] But we just add them to our intro as an additional intro. [12:09] So if something happens or somebody trips during our meeting. [12:13] So we got that taking care of and our insurance local government trust had that back to me within 30 minutes. [12:22] And we got back to him. So we're good on that. [12:25] We're in compliance with the two weeks out, a minimum two weeks on our meeting, and our [12:35] average increase was what 96, 98, I couldn't remember. [12:39] Because the SARS-CoV-4 here, it was just after our after- [12:43] Yeah, it's like 194 commercial, it was like one, [12:49] maybe so little less than that. [12:52] I know why it's like 120, I don't know why, but one was 120, but it's right at the [12:56] All of our per person per year and that's depend if that's on the base of a [13:02] $760,000 home. [13:04] Correct. [13:05] So that's $760,000. [13:09] It just generates what the average would be per person and that's what's on the [13:15] notice. [13:16] It is based on the average market value, this is what the average number will be per [13:21] person per year based on residential or commercial. [13:24] So those, I haven't gotten any TDM rules back, but I can't imagine that took very long. [13:30] And our meal rate ended up at 644, and that was 0.00373, so we won it from 373, I think that [13:41] was 337, one of those two, up to 644, which we still below 0.008, but it hurts us on grants [13:50] because they see we're not doing our due diligence and the meeting has to be [13:55] after six o'clock so we said it for seven and the only thing is I want to whether [14:02] we do it away from this whether we just get together but I want to run it [14:09] I wasn't happy one day did last time but the way I look at it there was a lot of [14:14] from everyone on the board, not just me and Jim and you. [14:19] To do it? [14:20] To just kind of discuss what we're doing [14:21] while we're doing the history. [14:23] It was kind of like just a presentation [14:24] in Jim and Clay kind of took over it. [14:28] And I think what we should do is kind of [14:31] yeah, I had a little, I think. [14:32] You did too. [14:33] We were doing whatever. [14:35] Everybody had like a little. [14:36] So my point is, and I think I talked to you about this, [14:38] is I don't want to reinvent the wheel. [14:40] I have the presentation that Clay did. [14:41] It's fantastic. [14:42] I don't want to plagiarize it. [14:43] I don't want to obviously get put on our own adjustments that we've realized since the last time. [14:49] But the gameplay, I think, still is the same, if that works for me. [14:54] And I can actually once I'm done with the presentation. [14:58] I think we really need to hit the fact. [15:00] What we didn't bring home last time was, yes, because it shows on there that the increase is a percentage and on our, I can't remember what was, but it last year was like 50, it was an increase of 50%. This one's higher. This one's higher. This one's like 67. And that's what they got stuck on in the argument. But if we could bring it back around to a couple things is that it's $100 a year. It's so many, and make that a big part. [15:29] And it's, you know, a cup of coffee, and this is what we're going to be. [15:35] Well, here's the other thing that is always stuck. [15:37] And the big point for me is that we asked you to show us [15:42] where we were in the red and a lot of things and why. [15:46] And that really hit home for us, why we wanted to raise that budget [15:50] so that we don't have those shortfalls next time. [15:53] So it's the longest I can show what we had going before, [15:56] what it is now, what the projection is moving forward. I think that's a really easy way to say it. [16:01] And we don't have anything... [16:03] The most effort, or not. [16:04] No, in contingency for any of these equipment that's... [16:08] And the ISO is a big thing. [16:11] Yeah, and that? [16:15] Yeah, you know what? You could even have... [16:18] If you were wanting to, we could have... [16:22] Dominic? [16:22] You know, that's probably not a bad idea. [16:25] If I can explain that so that I make my way through it, but that guy hadn't downed pretty solid. [16:30] And maybe that's what they need to hear. [16:32] He has related directly to their fire insurance. [16:35] So let me even shorten it a little bit. [16:38] Let me take her with what he had a little bit more and see where I can fit in the ISO presentation [16:43] if we can get a hold of him. [16:45] I think for them to realize that there's a rating here insurance based on that rating. [16:50] This is what we're rated on. [16:52] This is why the taxes are going up, so we can do this, this is an S, top of the budget thing, really good, it's pretty solid. [16:58] Yeah, I don't think we should even mention the percentage increase. Well, that's on the actual no-cards. [17:05] Oh, it says what the percent will be available. [17:07] At that point, 0, 0, 3, that one's not on there, it's actually the percentage. [17:12] It says point. This is what it was. So your taxes was at a mill rate at 0, 0, 0, 3, 7. This is what you paid. [17:20] This is what the new meal rate, this is what it is and this is the percentage. [17:24] This is the percentage increase? [17:25] Yeah, because you hear about these cities that like, [17:29] all the raising property taxes is 187 percent, [17:32] but they don't say is that they were really low. [17:35] And that's really where we are. [17:37] So they were really low for it. [17:38] So that's why we need to explain that percentage. [17:42] We didn't do a good job on that last time. [17:45] And what it basically, yeah. [17:46] And that's it wasn't that percentage. I'm sure it's required by law. You've got to have it on the [17:50] floor and that's why it's there and that's and that's why it's there and it's and I think that's one area where we didn't [17:58] think that we were going to get hit that much because you know you kind of looked at it's easy to say hey you [18:02] paid $10 now and you're paying $12 to date it's two dollars but if you have a percentage that says 50% [18:09] then we need to bring that home that that 50% is less you know a hundred bucks a year and it's only about [18:16] eight dollars a month. Well, I think the other part that we need to really press [18:20] home is they're going to say you just did this order and we need to press home [18:24] that we just did it last time to pay for the fire truck and nothing else. That's [18:30] right. There's no extra money in the budget for anything else. That was strictly [18:34] the pay for. Well, and it's it's it's because I don't know people it's like they [18:39] need to understand that the fire truck is that the new fire engine is [18:43] part for future. It's also, it was also required to maintain the ISO rating we have right now. [18:48] So absent that, our ISO rating would go on to probably seven or eight. [18:52] In fact, it would not have had an engine in town. Right. [18:57] You know, we cheated this system last time because we borrowed an S-Tex engine, [19:01] but that engine was not going to be borrowed forever. [19:04] And so we had to make plans to do that to preserve your ability to get insurance. [19:11] May I make a suggestion that we use the next meeting in September to go through a run through of this and can we do that by then? [19:20] What date is that? [19:24] We can this any day we want to make it. [19:26] When is the Tuesday? [19:28] It's the 17th of October. [19:30] Thank you. [19:31] I'm especially good that I'm my calendar. [19:34] So the next one is the third Wednesday, right? [19:37] The 16th. [19:38] Yes. [19:40] That's quick. [19:41] You want to make it the 23rd? [19:43] If we could. [19:44] If there was a case of that, there were only reasons. [19:46] And then maybe then some more people can go. [19:49] Because that's tied for me. [19:50] Do I got weddings that weekend? [19:52] 23rds. [19:52] I know if we had a, if we had a kind of a quick, if [20:03] we had a quick [20:04] analysis of a budget, [20:09] a time frame, just a quick slide. [20:12] Yeah, that's hard to what I was talking about was what Kathy did about two or three meetings ago, where we showed the projections were pretty easy to just throw up a comparison and say, you know, they presented an increase, which is $98, you know, it's $10 a month, covers dashes. [20:29] Yeah, right. That's what I remember is all the ones that were in the red were the ones that we were talking about. [20:36] We can find a way to get ahead of this point and take slides to have two slides. [20:39] We're not dwelling on it forever, but it's a quick hit point to where this is what it cost us. [20:44] This is what it cost us now. [20:45] What our budget wasn't. [20:47] At the beginning of the year, how we had to adjust it. [20:49] It might have been pushed back, but they have to show the percentage. [20:51] We had to show the percentage for the last ten years. [20:53] Zero. [20:54] Zero. [20:54] Zero. [20:55] Zero. [20:55] You know? [20:57] It gives the emergency ever rolling back. [20:59] It's like this is the adjustments of the last ten years. [21:01] This is why we're trying to make it up. [21:02] If you guys don't mind. [21:05] She'd be those bullet points in an email so that I don't forget these. [21:08] Okay. [21:09] I don't know, because they're good ideas. [21:11] The things we've talked about by one, make sure we hit these so. [21:15] We deliver my data. [21:16] I otherwise, I feel like I'm going to miss something. [21:18] We see it every day in life that people are going to be thinking about. [21:21] So through this, right? [21:23] Well, next to the errors point, you know, I think we did that home. [21:26] So one of them was that we have the side-by-side comparison of the budget. [21:31] Right? [21:31] Yes. [21:31] And then the percentages in the past and [21:40] the expletational zeros, why we're back at it in Oregon. [21:45] And last year's was for the fire engine only. [21:54] The ISO. [21:55] And the ISO, that's a good one. [21:57] Someone else suggested that we looked at other comparable departments and see what they're like. [22:02] The ISO think you have that. [22:04] Do you remember? [22:05] Yeah, but he doesn't have. [22:06] Does he have the mill rate? [22:07] each one's with. Oh no. Yeah. To look at the other comparisons for lighting. [22:12] For their comparable. Right. He had the ISO ratings. Yeah. [22:16] But not the meal rate. Right. And if we looked at other apartments to have the same, [22:21] it's comparable to us to see what their meal rate is and see if they're below or above us. [22:27] Jim said that he might be able to get an interesting fact there. [22:31] Well, what I'm saying is that what the comparables are around here. [22:34] Yeah, Apple Valley might be one and really it would be wise as soon as they're [22:42] comparable as fire districts and how, you know, there could be fun and from [22:45] other sources but like Hurricane, like Frank, because we leave, this is going to [22:51] get seated to Hurricane almost, almost assuredly. And what would the, what would [22:56] the theoretical change be if we were, if everybody up here was on Hurricane's [23:00] plan. Yeah. Yeah. Are they funded by the mill rate or are they? I don't know. I think they're [23:07] largely funded by their by taxation. I don't know if specifically the mill rate or whether they've [23:13] got because they're not a special services system. So they're they're sourcing their incomes [23:18] come from general and general property tax like I can find out. [23:24] They have a mill I think they [23:26] have a mill rate too but they also are getting money through that proposition that Dominic talked [23:32] talked about how they get money from the businesses in? [23:38] Tourist budgets. [23:40] Which obviously we don't have. [23:41] We don't get any of that. [23:43] Unless there was a way to get into some science, [23:47] because they're in our district. [23:49] But you know, is that good for right now? [23:52] We'll do it last year on the 23rd. [23:55] So do you guys want to try and move the meeting? [23:57] I'll give it to everybody else to the 23rd. [23:59] So we have more time. [24:01] So we have the side by side budget, the past percentage increase. [24:07] Last year's engine was only, or last time's engine was only, the engine was only for that increase itself. [24:14] And ISO rating and compared the mail rates, explain the percentage was versed 100 bucks. [24:32] Anything else that we were talking about? So do you just give that list to you? [24:36] I [24:39] think that's all we're out right now. [24:41] So we're really on good, because they're probably going to send out those notices in the [24:45] next week or so. [24:46] Yeah, so get ready. [24:48] Your phone's going to start ringing air. [24:49] Oh, I'm sorry. [24:51] I know. [24:52] I'm sorry. [24:54] Your other job causes everybody to call you. [24:58] That's all I have on that. [25:00] I was looking at, I was looking through to see and you couldn't help but notice which people [25:06] you know we're going to do a lot so I was kind of looking to see it's about a hundred bucks [25:15] it's across the board. Move this out if you don't like it. Move to the pie. [25:22] Now it's like you want it? Eris, please, [25:30] please, please. You're welcome. [25:32] Keep me out, please, right? It's the worst love wasn't it? Recall this hall, right? [25:39] I know I could make more money to have Travis Larson conspiring with that chair person. [25:46] I honestly that's the only thing I've worked on lately since the last week. [25:51] Do you have Jim's report? [25:56] That was basically the extension before the only other report. [25:58] The other other thing Jim has report is that the chief's truck, [26:02] which is currently sitting out the back there, is done. [26:08] is done, it's likely not, it doesn't make sense to try and repair it. [26:12] That's good, but this way, we're paying $2700 for a transmission that didn't fix because [26:19] the set in their yard, they couldn't fix it. [26:22] So it's what they did to try to fix it. [26:26] And at this point, if we don't have a command vehicle, or we bind it, that's part of it. [26:32] They're into it for, I think the number they came up with was the dealer came up with [26:36] to replace the transmission was like $6,700, $1,600, $1,600, which is about what the truck is worth. [26:45] Oh, good. [26:47] So, Joy. [26:49] So that's another reason we can add is that that vehicle is done. [26:54] And we don't have the funds to make that payment, which we're going to have to do, because that's one of the things we use all the time. [27:00] Isn't that great? [27:01] Yes, and it's actually, Jim obviously right now is driving the, he's driving our Hummer, [27:06] which is fine for the most part, it's more complex because like the call I went on today, [27:11] I had to take the big, the Tech 3 brush track, because, and normally I would take the Hummer, [27:16] and the Tech 3 is not as much, it's not as, it's not as ideal to drive as a single person, [27:21] whereas the Hummer is a little bit more manageable as a single person, so, you know, it's just [27:26] the way it is, it's what we got, [27:32] and that's about the extent of what he had to say, if he [27:39] So the Washington County is putting on this board training that if you're available, [27:46] you and I at minimum should go and it actually satisfies for a couple of things but it also [27:52] brings us up to their auditing practices. [27:55] Plain I went last time and it was really good training. [27:58] If you guys have that are able to go, it's quick, it's easy, it's understandable and they did a really good job last time. [28:08] I think they had Scott overreach who's our actual auditor there and you have any kind of questions that I answered and it satisfies a lot of our online stuff that we flunked past here. [28:22] I said I'd be able to be there, but I'll be coming back from Vegas on that day, or that day, so I should be able to do it online, so I don't have to. [28:35] Here you go. But then, so this will have different ones, but I'm going and I don't want to, but I will [28:48] let me know, because I have to give an RSVP. [28:56] Okay, so we'll put three and I'm going to get Scott and they should go because they haven't [29:01] ever been to one and it's for new members too, so I will give them a call and see if we can get them to go to. [29:12] Yeah, that's mostly for me for the grammar records. [29:23] Prokaryly, so I know they're [29:32] working on the Apple Festival. [29:33] Are you going to be the Apple Festival people too? [29:35] I can be the Apple Festival. [29:36] Okay, where we're going to have a festival. It's going to be on the on 145 east or whatever it is. It's the street that's kind of [29:49] Across the street from the fire station ish. There one that runs down. We're really smart. It's a lane. Oh yeah, so it's like a main road. No, no, it's going to be the last [30:00] I think that's the kind of look of that said, it's more whether resistant. It keeps the [30:06] hand a little happier because there's not a lot of all the trotting on top of the park and it makes [30:13] getting in and out a lot easier so it gives us more parking options and hopefully we'll improve the traffic. [30:20] That's what we're at. And it cuts down our vendors slightly but the town has been asking us to not make [30:26] the event any larger and so we've got a few less vendors we are dealing food [30:31] trucks this year because it's just cooking every year the same for people [30:38] every year begins to become a grind so we'll probably do that for a couple [30:42] years and tell people to complain and then we'll see if we can complain to [30:47] complain them into volunteering and then we'll do that for the good [30:51] We've got for a couple of years. [30:52] So, you know, make sure to beast it. [30:56] That's what we had. [30:57] That's our primary thing right now. [30:59] We're about half sold out right now. [31:00] A little over half sold out. [31:01] Is that good? [31:02] Yeah. [31:03] As soon as we post upon, on Facebook that we're having the event, [31:07] we usually start with, we usually start a little bit about a month before. [31:10] We'll fill up in three days. [31:13] I [31:21] think we're efficient. [31:27] Can I make a motion of the nature? [31:29] I'll say. [31:29] in the time of 738. [31:32] Awesome. [31:35] Okay. [31:38] Okay. [31:42] You should have slept. [31:43] Do you have technically done? [31:46] You're ready to be done? [31:47] I don't know. [31:47] I'll call the address. [31:48] I'll read it. [31:49] He blew his knee out. [31:51] Also, I'll go to the right and right. [31:53] Okay. [31:55] Did you find any place to do it? [31:56] Yeah. [31:57] Up here. [31:58] The hospital? [31:58] Yeah. [31:59] After all those. [31:59] This hospital? [32:00] This is so far. [32:03] We've tried to send in three different places. [32:04] One in the back. [32:12] Let's start on your back here, did [32:20] you turn this off? [32:22] So even if I'm off.