1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,640 Yeah. Pledge of Allegiance? 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:11,840 » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:17,760 republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,760 justice for all. 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:24,160 » All right. Um first thing on 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:27,320 our agenda is to approve the agenda as presented. Does anyone have any 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:33,600 questions or additions or changes to 8 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:36,680 the agenda as presented? If not, I'll take a motion to approve 9 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:40,000 the agenda. >> I move to 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:43,200 » Okay, I got a motion by Shawn Ryan. Rick, you going to second? Second by 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:46,400 Rick Seiler. If there's no questions, comments, all 12 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,000 in favor say I. >> I. 13 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:54,520 » I. Any opposition? Okay. Passes 5-0. Next item is our consent 14 00:00:51,800 --> 00:01:00,400 agenda. These are items that are pretty routine in nature. Um does anyone 15 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:05,600 have any questions or issues on the items that are in the 16 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,600 consent agenda? 17 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:11,480 » I move to approve the consent agenda. >> Okay. Second. 18 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:16,080 » A second a motion by Maggie Bass, second by Bruce Woolf. The only question I I 19 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:20,240 just want to confirm that we will be doing 20 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,920 the elections at the new city hall. >> Correct. 21 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,840 » All right. >> Okay. 22 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:28,560 So, I got a motion and a second. If there's no other questions, all in 23 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:32,320 favor say I. >> I. 24 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:36,240 » I. Any opposition? Okay, passes 5-0. Next on the agenda is government agency 25 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,720 updates. Dennis, if you'd like to 26 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,760 come forward and uh tell us what the heck the county is up 27 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,000 to. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Members of the 28 00:01:45,320 --> 00:01:51,440 council, thanks for having me again. It's always a pleasure. 29 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:56,120 Sorry I wasn't here last month. I was enjoying Canada fishing, which was 30 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:59,560 should be successful and it was, so thank you. 31 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:03,120 Uh what's going on in the county? Um we're on our third week of doing our 32 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:09,280 budgeting. Um again, I'm no veteran. I'm only a 33 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:12,880 year and a half into my position as as a commissioner. However, talking with 34 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,800 the county administrator and the other commissioners, usually at this time 35 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:20,240 we're looking at a levy of double digits. I 36 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:23,720 know, and then we have to try to work that down into the single digits, but 37 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,640 right now we're we're sitting really good. They're really really really 38 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:30,080 really pleased or at uh 39 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:35,560 uh meeting with the department heads and 40 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:39,760 figuring out next year's plan. Um also after the after the workshops, 41 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:43,800 we have a we're going through our ordinances throughout the county. This 42 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:47,520 is probably going on four or five weeks of doing that, so we've had long 43 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:50,520 Tuesdays. We've had our regular Tuesday meetings. 44 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:54,120 And now the workshops with the department heads and now ordinances, so 45 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:58,040 we're usually Tuesday we're there till probably 3:00, 4:00 in the afternoon 46 00:02:55,959 --> 00:03:01,880 trying to get this out, but it's good because we're taking 47 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:05,560 four or five department heads at a time rather than I guess in the past they've 48 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:09,440 tried to cram this all into one or two days, and it just gets really 49 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:12,400 long. And then you're looking at 12-hour days. 50 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:19,640 Um some of the roads uh you know, obviously we had rain. There was rain 51 00:03:17,239 --> 00:03:24,200 anywhere from 3 to 7 in over in Lee Shores, so some of our roads took a 52 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:30,120 a hit, but I talked to our county engineer along with uh assistant 53 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:35,000 department head Robbie Kopet, which uh he figured by today I talked to him on 54 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:39,720 Friday afternoon, late afternoon, and he figured by Monday, which is today and 55 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:43,959 possibly tomorrow, they should be back on par with having the roads all back in 56 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:48,400 order. Um just a couple highlights, our fraud 57 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:52,960 investigator that uh Sheriff Mason I I I think I told you 58 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:58,680 this already, Sheriff Mason designates a deputy solely to work on 59 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:02,760 fraud in Le Sueur County. And it's saving our taxpayers in Le 60 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:06,400 Sueur County and the state a lot of money. So, um 61 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:10,520 just wanted that uh a little fact for you guys to know 62 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:15,200 that that uh the money that we get 63 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:18,440 is a grant money from the state which doesn't 64 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:22,240 cover his salary, but we still think it's more 65 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,800 important to you know, in the long run we're getting 66 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:29,560 that money back. It did The money that we recoup from that goes to the state. 67 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:32,600 The Le Sueur County residents don't get that. It goes 68 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:36,413 to the state and then branches off from there. 69 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,600 Um >> [clears throat] 70 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:44,280 » as you know, Mayor Nicklay, the state baseball tournament's coming to New 71 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:48,919 Prague, so I encourage any of you that maybe have a weekend off or a weekday 72 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:53,160 off, um sign up, 73 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:56,640 help out the city, and uh it's going to be a lot of good baseball 74 00:04:54,919 --> 00:05:01,720 coming to town. Um elections, I think I overheard you 75 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:07,120 saying your elections our elections. So, our meetings tomorrow Yes, the last 76 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:10,080 Tuesday and tomorrow and the following, I believe 77 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:13,440 or no, just tomorrow yet. 78 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:18,120 Our meetings are held at the courthouse cuz of the early voting is where our 79 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:23,480 where we usually have our chamber meetings. That's getting 80 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:27,280 allocated by early voting. Again, I'm getting phone calls or just 81 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:31,720 in person people talking to me. As you turn on the news, data centers. I'm 82 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:38,080 getting a lot of people not wanting data centers. My constituents, it's you know, 83 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:41,200 the 90% please don't bring data centers. We have no 84 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:45,720 intentions. Right now, we have a moratorium on data centers in the 85 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:48,360 county, so nothing can be done anyways for a year, but 86 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:53,000 um just to kind of put that at ease for 87 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:58,280 right now, there's no one's at approach the county wanting one. 88 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:05,360 Um, again, listening to my constituents, I have no interest in having one. 89 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,360 All right. Any questions? 90 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,560 Thank you all for what you do. Appreciate it. 91 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,640 » Thanks, Dennis. >> All right, thank you, Dennis. 92 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:20,760 Next on the agenda is our public forum. This is an opportunity where uh 93 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:23,800 people can uh speak to the council. Um, 94 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:27,480 there's not going to be really any inner reaction, but uh 95 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:32,800 it will be noted. So, first on the list I have Brian Paulson. 96 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,919 Brian, you know, state your name and address, please. 97 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:39,560 » Uh Brian Paulson, 206 First Street Southwest. Uh may I remind the council, 98 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:43,160 I just wanted to thank uh all you and the chief of police and the city 99 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:46,760 administrator for turning on the transparency portal audit logs for the 100 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,000 flood cameras. So, I noticed that was turned on. So, I just wanted to thank 101 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:52,720 you. I know we've been talking about that for a long time. So, I just want to 102 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,280 say uh thank you. >> All right. 103 00:06:53,964 --> 00:06:59,200 » [snorts] >> Thank you. 104 00:06:56,280 --> 00:07:03,880 Next on the list is it Heather 105 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,880 or 106 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,440 » Oh, I think I I thought it was a sign-up >> Yep, so that that was a sheet for if you 107 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,960 would like to discuss >> No, you do 108 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:18,120 Oh, you you don't want to speak? You just Okay. Well, that's fine. 109 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:21,240 » you can't speak like Dennis, so. >> Well, who can? [laughter] 110 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:25,560 All right. So, I Heather and John, you do not want 111 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:28,680 to speak? Anyone else want to address the council? 112 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:32,320 All right. If not, we'll go on the next 113 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:37,560 item. We do not have any public hearings. And number seven, we're going 114 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:43,360 to go into the 2026 electric utility revenue bond update. 115 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:48,200 Um, that sale would took place on July 15th. 116 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:51,400 And um, it was presented to utilities commission last at their last meeting 117 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,320 last week. And 118 00:07:52,260 --> 00:07:55,160 » [clears throat] >> now we're just presenting it to the 119 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:58,920 council. It has been a the council gave the 120 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:04,680 utilities commission the authority to approve that bond. So, 121 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:08,560 it looks like we have Brian Riley from uh 122 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:15,400 I Ehlers to kind of give us a quick summarization, right Brian? 123 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,400 » That is the plan. Thank you, Mayor. 124 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:22,520 Um, I will try to be concise and brief. As was stated, these bonds have been 125 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:26,280 sold and priced and the next step is closing, which is scheduled to occur 126 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:31,080 just a few days from now. Um, so just for your benefit, you should 127 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:35,240 have the sale day report in your packet and I'll just briefly walk you through 128 00:08:32,479 --> 00:08:38,800 that and I'll I'll preface by speaking a little bit about the rating. Obviously, 129 00:08:36,479 --> 00:08:44,280 the city is rated but our utility has its own rating with a 130 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:50,520 different set of metrics and standards that are directly applicable to 131 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:54,080 municipal electric providers. And so, the you know, the 132 00:08:52,680 --> 00:08:57,120 those standards are a bit different from what you would think about from a 133 00:08:54,920 --> 00:09:02,320 general obligation pledge. Um, the rating came out as an A and stable, 134 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:05,800 which means there's no point of view on whether or not the rating will change up 135 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:09,960 or down in the next few years. And by and large, if you go through that 136 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:14,800 quickly, um, you'll note a number of references towards relatively strong 137 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:17,920 financial operations, maybe a few things here and there regarding some 138 00:09:16,839 --> 00:09:23,560 improvements that can be made to some long-term management, but by and large, 139 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:30,120 the utility itself is viewed to be in in positive condition and the A rating is 140 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:32,880 is very reasonable for a utility of that size and within your geography. 141 00:09:32,476 --> 00:09:37,240 » [clears throat] >> I think what also speaks to that is as I 142 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:40,360 get into the bids here, we went to competitive sale just like you have 143 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:44,760 traditionally done with your own general obligation debt. 144 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:48,960 Bids were solicited and received on July 15th as was stated. 145 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:53,720 There were five bids offered which I would view as relatively strong 146 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:57,800 for a small communities electric revenue with generation. 147 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:01,400 And so you also you can see the benefit of the competitive sale where we've got 148 00:09:59,560 --> 00:10:06,120 the winning bid coming in at about 4.16%. 149 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:10,640 The worst coming in at just under 4.35 with a few scattered around 4.25. And so 150 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:15,320 on the day of sale there were two buyers who were very interested. Both the 151 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:19,320 winning and the cover. We would view 4.16% 152 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:22,920 on a 20 plus year structure as being relatively attractive. I will say as you 153 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:27,760 look back knowing that it's early August, these bonds sold July 15th and 154 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:31,520 while we're not in the business of recommending timing the market, you did 155 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:35,640 hit it at a favorable time. Rates have been um 156 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:39,960 pretty much up since then not dramatically but you know, certainly to 157 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:45,640 the tune of about 15 to 20 basis points 0.15 to 0.2%. That certainly does add up 158 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:49,520 on a transaction over 16 million dollars. 159 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:55,200 On the day of sale, the pricing that was received allowed the city to reduce the 160 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:58,480 size of the issue. We we make certain assumptions when 161 00:10:56,839 --> 00:11:02,200 we're putting kind of the pre-sale package together and working with you on 162 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:06,000 all of that and we make some assumptions based on any number of things including 163 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:10,240 the fees and expenses associated with the issue. There's also a debt service 164 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:14,560 reserve fund which is very common for a utility revenue obligation. 165 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:19,600 That is borrowed money that is set aside as additional security for the debt in 166 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:22,600 the case that revenues are insufficient to support the annual payment 167 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:26,520 requirements and then would be required if there's ever a draw on it, you'd be 168 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:30,240 required to replenish it. So that additional credit enhancement 169 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:33,920 proves to be a benefit and is kind of demanded for an issue like this. And as 170 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,920 a result, we were also able to reduce that because the annual debt service 171 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:42,240 requirements were less than originally estimated. So, um, all in, able to 172 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:46,200 reduce the issue size um, roughly 600 some odd thousand 173 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:50,120 dollars. Um, so again, a positive attribute of this, coming in less than 174 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:53,720 expected. Um, you know, maybe I'll pause there and 175 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:58,960 see if there are any immediate questions. The bid tabulation shows you 176 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:02,760 the final pricing, the coupons, and the yields uh, for this issue, 177 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:06,480 um, and some other salient details. 178 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:10,000 Adjustments are made on the day of sale, and so, if you look to the bottom of the 179 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:14,160 first page of the bid tabulation, there's a few notes there that reference 180 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:20,640 the adjustments, and then what the final results are. Um, in that case, the sale 181 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:25,960 day report also has summary level detail um, on the cover. 182 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:28,440 What questions can I answer for any of you? 183 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,360 » Anyone have any questions? 184 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:40,080 » I have a general question, maybe not of you, Brian, but um, 185 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:47,040 just for our audience, um, is the repayment of these bonds is 186 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:50,000 actually [clears throat] coming from money coming from SIMPA, if that's my 187 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,680 understanding. >> Correct. Yes. 188 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,160 » Thank you. >> We have an agreement with SIMPA that 189 00:12:53,040 --> 00:13:01,280 they would pay for the energy that that 190 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:05,680 generation plan could produce, and uh, so, this is going to 191 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:09,320 pay more than what the bond payments will be by a couple hundred dollars 192 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:13,080 thousand dollars each year. Isn't it something? 193 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:18,920 » I just wanted to make sure that that was said, so, um, our taxpayers understand. 194 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:24,560 » Right. This has no effect on our tax levy or tax burden at all. 195 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,560 » Right. 196 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:34,800 Any other questions or comments? No, I don't think we have any Brian. If 197 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:38,400 you anything else you need to share? >> I do not. All action has been taken to 198 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:42,160 your earlier point. The the sale has been awarded and we're proceeding 199 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:45,360 towards closing. So informational only and I do appreciate your time. 200 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,360 » I appreciate your time. >> Thank you. 201 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,440 » Thank you. >> Thank you all. 202 00:13:48,584 --> 00:13:54,720 » [clears throat] >> Okay. 203 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:59,080 » Um mention we mentioned this before but this does give us added capacity within 204 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:04,560 the city and added redundancy so there's a a value to the city residents also by 205 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:10,760 this agreement not just that it's uh provides additional capacity for Sumpter 206 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:15,320 but it it gives us a better um 207 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:17,360 service that we can provide. >> Thank you. 208 00:14:16,749 --> 00:14:22,400 » [clears throat] >> Okay. Uh there's no our city engineer 209 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:28,040 and updates. Matt, you just kind of want to breeze us 210 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,040 how the 10th Street project's going? 211 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,960 » Yeah, 10th Avenue is going really well. Uh we're about a week ahead of schedule. 212 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:38,480 Uh we actually had our first rain day on Friday which is not normal to have a 213 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:43,720 your first rain day in uh end of uh July so that's great news. Um 214 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:48,480 10th Avenue and 3rd Street is still closed. We still ask people to stay out 215 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:52,120 of that area. Uh the roundabout is I'm going to say it's 80% complete. Uh 216 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,640 if you walked up there or up to the signs you could see that the 217 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:59,920 roundabout's in place but they're still black dirt and sidewalks. Uh the trail 218 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:03,960 will be removed most likely next week on the west side of the road and repaved uh 219 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:07,360 the following week. Um so yeah, it's coming coming along really 220 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,839 well. Mainly concrete work this week. Uh curb replacement and sidewalk 221 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:13,120 replacement. >> Uh 222 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:16,240 any plans to open that 3rd Street roundabout? 223 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:20,600 » Uh as of now no because it's going to get have to be closed back down next 224 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:24,600 week. Um so opening it up for 1 week and they're still actually working in the 225 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:27,640 roundabout, um doing some dirt work. So, having it open for 5 days is just even 226 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:31,120 going to be more confusing than >> Oh, yeah. No, no, I was thinking like I 227 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:34,840 mean if it's all done and they're still paving. Uh 228 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:40,560 » Yeah, so the contract reads they have to have that roundabout open within 30 days 229 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:44,800 unless approved by um I guess myself or council. As of right 230 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,760 now, it is up to the 30 days at the end of end of this week, but as of right 231 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,720 now, we're going to leave it closed just because the 232 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,600 uh second lift is only a week week and a half old. 233 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:57,560 » Okay. Okay, thank you. Anyone any other 234 00:15:55,120 --> 00:16:01,560 questions on any city engineering projects update that 235 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:06,880 maybe Matt can answer? All right, thank you, Matt. 236 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:10,400 Next, ordinances for introduction. Is this uh are we looking at a first 237 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:14,040 reading here? >> Uh yes, we are and I can give a little 238 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:17,160 brief synopsis here if you'd like me to. >> Yes, please. 239 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,520 » Uh Mitch, could you throw me the screen, please? 240 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,040 That's not what I wanted. 241 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:49,600 Uh so, Nicholas Borowski, the owner of 300 East East or 300 5th Street 242 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:55,760 Southwest, um has a property down the southwest corner of town that's broken 243 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:58,880 up by 140-ft and 212-ft easements um and rights of way. 244 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:03,000 And he has submitted an application to the city to consider vacating these. Um 245 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:06,000 as as staff looked through these, they are certainly supportive of these 246 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:10,760 vacations um as there are no planned uses for the 247 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:15,360 alleys, utilities, um planned use for these alleys or right of ways, and there 248 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:20,240 are no utilities within these easements. Um one thing to note is we do have a 249 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,680 electric line within the property that we are unable 250 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:27,880 to find an easement for, but we are currently working through 251 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:31,760 that at this point. This is just kind of an aerial of what 252 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:37,240 the property looks like. Um, 253 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:40,840 Mr. Borowski owns the entire parcel here and these are the right-of-ways and 254 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:44,280 easements that are currently cutting across the property. So, he is he's 255 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:48,720 asking if the city would just vacate these and come back to him as the 256 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:51,080 adjacent property owner. >> Go back to that picture, would you, 257 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:55,640 please? Do other properties 258 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:59,680 east of that also have the same issue? >> Uh, it's entirely possible. I do not 259 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:03,920 have that information on on top of my head with me right now. I 260 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:07,880 would guess usually, especially as you with all cities, as you get into the 261 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:11,800 older parts, if somebody buys property like across the line that was 262 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:15,800 originally put on there in a plat from 100 years ago, 263 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:20,120 yes, like these exist actually all over the city if we were to dig into them. 264 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:23,760 Generally, at times some cities are very proactive 265 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:27,360 with it. It does take a lot of research time 266 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:30,760 to really jump into these, but a lot of times, at least with New Prague, we've 267 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:34,160 always been a little more reactive driven. If the property owner knows 268 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,720 they're there, they may request them and we'll consider 269 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:40,600 them on a piece-by-piece basis depending on if the 270 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:44,240 city has plans for them or is currently using them. 271 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:47,080 » So, this particular plat in our packet is from 1896. 272 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,000 Okay. >> Correct. So, that was that was when the 273 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:53,560 roads were put down thinking they may be needed and 274 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:57,120 they have not been needed. Or if they 275 00:18:54,480 --> 00:19:00,080 » As noted, the one that Chuck was probably asked for to the east 276 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,800 that's Southside Park. So, that would not 277 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,640 uh >> Okay. 278 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:08,920 So, that property butts up That butts up to Southside Park there. 279 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,760 Okay. So, that's why there probably won't be 280 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:15,360 an issue with that. All right, thank you. 281 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:21,640 Is there any Was there a thought that Second Ave would eventually go through? 282 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:25,880 » There might have been. If if that was a thought way way back at one point, as 283 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,280 Maggie pointed out, it's a plat from 130 years ago. 284 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,960 » Right. >> And I think in a lot of times when they 285 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:33,280 do this, they it is Now they kind of take a property 286 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:37,400 and they try to map it out and put houses on it. A lot of these old maps, 287 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:41,560 they would take a four four square mile area and just drop all the roads on them 288 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:44,480 and you could start buying lots. So, there may have been the thought at one 289 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:47,280 point that that would be part of the street grid. 290 00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:52,600 » I know that sometime that further south of that is 291 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:56,840 thought to be developed. And I don't know if it's conceivable for that road 292 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,440 to ever go through or not, but >> I mean, if that's Southside Park, I 293 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,880 guess the question of the council would be is would it be like like would it be 294 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:06,640 worth it? You are running into a train track right there. And so, even if the 295 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:10,840 road did go through, you'd either have to come up with a way to cross 296 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:15,200 or that property owner would have to be 297 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:18,480 willing to sell lots off, I guess. So, um 298 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:21,520 As noted, as staff kind of looked at this, it is one of those that just kind 299 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:25,280 of made sense that it's been around for a long time and 300 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:29,160 this is one of those that the city could let go of. 301 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:32,320 » Yeah, as part of this process before the hearing, I'd be interested to know 302 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:36,040 staff's understanding or thought or 303 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,440 would Second Street ever possibly go through or not? 304 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,800 » Yep. >> And if we have a right-of-way, do we 305 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:44,080 need it? >> Yeah, those are I will say these are 306 00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:47,720 certainly good questions because as part of this process with an ordinance, a 307 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:51,840 public hearing is required. So, part of what I'd be asking you guys tonight is 308 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:57,800 to approve the attached resolution that calls for a public hearing on 309 00:20:55,240 --> 00:21:01,600 our first meeting in September, which is the 1st of September. 310 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:03,480 Um Well, wait. 311 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:07,760 » No. >> No, the 8th of September. 312 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:11,440 » 8th it's not on this Tuesday. The 7th is Labor Day and so it would be Tuesday, 313 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:15,520 first two second Tuesday in this case. So the 8th of September would be our 314 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,720 meeting and that is when we would have a public hearing 315 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:21,680 that anyone can come comment on this as well as 316 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:25,560 Ken who normally handles these would be back and so he'd be able to answer some 317 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:30,800 of those questions. >> But are you still looking for us to 318 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:34,240 » So we'd be looking to approve approve on the first reading and then do the public 319 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:38,120 hearing as well as the public hearing resolution. 320 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:40,840 » And then if there's issues we wouldn't we wouldn't do the second 321 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,720 reading, is that >> Correct. Okay. 322 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,440 » Okay, anyone have any questions? 323 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:56,480 If not I guess I'll make a motion to approve ordinance number 366 the first 324 00:21:54,800 --> 00:22:01,280 reading of vacating certain rights of way 325 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:04,560 um in the on this plat. >> I'll second. 326 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:11,120 » I got a second by Maggie Bass. Any other comments? All in favor say I. 327 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:16,880 Any opposition? Okay, passes 5-0. Next the resolution calling for the 328 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:20,040 public hearing on September 8th. Um 329 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:24,000 I guess I'll make a motion to approve that resolution just at the public 330 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:29,520 hearing at our council meeting on September 8th. I'll second. Go ahead. I 331 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:33,920 got a second by Rick Seiler. There's no other questions, comments? 332 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:38,520 All in favor say I. Any opposition? Okay, passes 5-0. So we 333 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:42,280 will get this thing all cleared up and answered and everything on September 334 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:46,400 8th. Number 10 we have no ordinances for 335 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:52,360 adoption, no resolutions. 12 general business pay grade update. I 336 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:55,200 know this is a recommendation from the utilities commission 337 00:22:54,040 --> 00:23:01,440 um due to the fact that um 338 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:07,800 it is hard to find linemen uh at this time so we're looking to add a 339 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:12,880 classification under grade two. And I think Robin, I think you had talked to 340 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:17,680 uh the company that did our comp study. >> Yes. Um so, just briefly in Bruce 341 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:22,680 Reimer's absence tonight, um I told him I'd speak to any questions. 342 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:26,360 So, um exactly what you said, Mayor. Just um 343 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:30,800 not having a big candidate pool for qualified linemen that meet all of the 344 00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:36,680 criteria. We're looking to create a position and add to our pay grade, an 345 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:41,960 electric utility apprentice position. So, I did contact AutoSolve to work with 346 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:46,760 them for placement on our grade, and it would be at 347 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:52,960 our existing pay grade step two. So, I included the pay grade in the 348 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:56,800 council packet as well. So. >> So, this the only thing is you just 349 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,520 added this position at that grade. >> Correct. 350 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:02,440 » On the in the existing thing. All right. 351 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:05,720 » change in pay or anything, just putting placement on grade two. 352 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:12,800 » So, move >> Anyone have any questions for Robin? 353 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:18,520 Okay, I got to get a motion by Rick Seiler to approve the pay grade update 354 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:21,800 adding the electric utility apprentice position on grade two of our current 355 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,280 scale. >> I'll second. 356 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:30,640 » I got a second by Maggie Bass. There is no other questions, comments? 357 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:35,960 All in favor say I. I. Any opposition? Okay, it passes 5-0. 358 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:40,960 Next, we have uh concept review of the Harvest Fields. 359 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:44,240 Do we Are you taking this, Josh, or >> Yes, I will take this one again. 360 00:24:47,522 --> 00:24:54,080 » [clears throat] >> So, this uh this particular review is 361 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:57,520 for a concept kind of a concept review of um 362 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:02,120 the southern portion of what we have discussed in the past as the kind of 363 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:04,800 Beswick land up on the northeast corner of town. 364 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:08,960 Um, generally with the concept review, they kind of come in very, very high 365 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:12,200 level and they are looking for just um 366 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:15,640 feedback based off of are there things we like, are there things we don't like, 367 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,040 is this something that we could foresee them going [clears throat] forward with, 368 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:22,040 is it something that we want to completely throw the brakes on. I do 369 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:25,960 also want to note that uh and I'm hopefully I don't butcher your 370 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:29,680 last name, Lucinda Spenner, uh 371 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:33,640 from uh JPB is here as well to kind of introduce herself and the company as 372 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:36,920 well as hopefully um being able to answer any questions that may be about 373 00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:39,080 this, but I will run through some quick background 374 00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:43,160 uh that staff have been doing to this point 375 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:46,320 as well as what both the park board and planning commission have done. 376 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:55,440 So, as I mentioned, JPB land did apply for a concept review. Uh this particular 377 00:25:52,880 --> 00:26:01,440 development includes 185 single family lots on about 63 acres of land. Um, of 378 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:05,440 note, this land is guided single family on the west side and medium density 379 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:11,840 residential on the east side. Across the entire development, lots do 380 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:17,680 vary from 42 ft wide to 72 ft wide. Um, of also of note that this particular um 381 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:21,680 land would require uh a planned unit development or PUD zoning which allow 382 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:27,680 you some flexibility in your zoning requirements. Um, that being due to the 383 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:30,920 fact that lots under 50 ft wide and with side setbacks 384 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:35,680 um lots current zoning code does not allow 385 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:39,840 for lots under 50 ft wide and that setbacks are set at 7 ft instead of 6 386 00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:45,160 ft. And so, to be able to meet their particular concepts, um the cleanest way 387 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:49,440 to do it would be to do a PUD unless you're willing to do variances for every 388 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,600 single lot. So, PUD just makes it much cleaner. 389 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:56,200 Um, this particular plan also does expand 390 00:26:54,120 --> 00:27:01,040 out Heritage Park um with an additional 1.4 acres as well as continues the 391 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:04,480 Greenway truth trail through um 392 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:09,120 the development. On July 14th, the park board did 393 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:13,680 uh review this and provided general support for the 394 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:17,760 concept plans in terms of how the park uh Heritage Park was expanded as well as 395 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:22,280 the Greenway trail extension. And then on July 22nd, the planning 396 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:25,560 commission also reviewed the plans. Um, there was not a pub- formal public 397 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:29,600 hearing for this as it was a concept review, but they 398 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:33,920 um we did send out 250 notices to the area um and kind of residents around 399 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:38,840 that area. Overall, we had about 30 people in attendance um and we uh the 400 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:43,320 planning commission did choose to take public comment. 401 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:49,320 Generally, and township people are here as well, um but they have the township 402 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:54,240 has uh expressed support for annexation. Um, and just general comments were kind 403 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:58,040 of about traffic and weeds uh on kind of this development area. 404 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:01,680 The developer did note um that their build out is expected to take 405 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:06,640 about 5 years, but that obviously depends on market conditions and what 406 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:12,040 kind of demand that they would see. So, here is a large overall map um with 407 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:17,160 that southern portion being their uh concept proposal being dropped onto it. 408 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:21,720 Of note, those blue roads uh are and you can see that small 409 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:27,160 roundabout are taken preliminarily from the uh feasibility study for uh the 410 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:33,960 realignment of Alton Avenue there, and so uh it actually lays very well onto 411 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:38,084 what our um potential projected um roads would be for the north half of 412 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:41,360 that property. >> [clears throat] 413 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:46,320 » And then here's just more of a zoomed-in area. You can see um the larger lots are 414 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:50,120 in the pink for this, and then you get into uh 415 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:54,440 the uh I guess we'll call them turquoise which are your a little bit smaller and 416 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:59,000 they kind of size up to the middle. So, of the adjacent neighborhoods, 417 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:03,200 the lots lot sizes line up pretty well in terms of size and so nobody is 418 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:07,560 necessarily getting a house built next next to them that is significantly 419 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:11,080 different than what they have built and the smaller lots are tucked into the 420 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:18,400 middle also next to a lots of similar size. 421 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:22,760 Some notes on this, the city engineer did review and comment. 422 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:27,840 And just kind of noticed some changes as we've gone forward that they'd like to 423 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:31,400 see for future submissions. Both public works and utilities did not 424 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:35,080 have any comments beyond what the city engineer provided. 425 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:39,600 The police department did note that the siren nearby here 426 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:45,040 has been plugged since 2009 but it does still 427 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,040 provide coverage. 428 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:50,520 I'll be honest with him, I'm not sure what that comment means. I'm assuming 429 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:53,800 » Yeah, go ahead. I was I found a 430 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:58,680 Well, I found it when I was going through looking at some of emergency 431 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:03,040 management things and wondering why that zone for that siren was smaller than the 432 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:06,120 other five that we had. So, I went and I did some digging and I 433 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:11,920 found that in 2009 there was a resident that had 434 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:17,400 some type of medical condition that the noise from that siren 435 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:20,800 was bothering his something to do with his health. So, at 436 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:26,520 that time Dennis Sawyer and Chief Wolschke decided 437 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:30,440 to put some I guess mufflers into some of the 438 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:35,360 ports in that siren. And I did have Bob Brazina with city 439 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,920 staff go up there and check and just ensure that that was still the case. 440 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:45,280 And it is to this date and there's a memo on that dating back to 2009. So, 441 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,280 the ability there is to unplug that and I don't know what that conversation 442 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:52,880 looks like with that resident after it was decided 443 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:58,640 years ago to do that. So, um there could be some additional coverage there if 444 00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:02,720 city chose to take those baffles out of that um 445 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,720 siren. 446 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:09,320 » And that resident still resides there? >> Yes. 447 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:13,280 » That was my question. >> Yep. That is my understanding right now, 448 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:17,000 yes. >> But, the fire department did not have 449 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,640 any comments at this time and the community development department just 450 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:23,880 noted that um the this concept did fit very well 451 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:27,960 with not only the area um but also kind of the comprehensive plan goals such as 452 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:34,280 life cycle high is housing, park and greenway expansion, and um protection 453 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,280 and enhancement of natural features. 454 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:40,560 Uh the school district school district also provided a letter noting that they 455 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:44,280 have um significant capacity within the schools to be able to absorb kids or 456 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:47,400 families who may move into this neighborhood. 457 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,040 Uh talking about development fees, and 458 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:54,800 these are the fees that are generally paid um most of them right up front, but 459 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:59,120 also some kind of as you go through. There would be um with this particular 460 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:03,400 development as it's shown, a park dedication fee of either $383,327 461 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:12,320 or 9.2 acres of parkland or a combination there of both. 462 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:18,400 Um an emergency siren fee of a little over $10,000, 463 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:29,080 a sidewalk fee of a little over $10,000, a water area access charge of $177,000, 464 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:33,360 a sewer area access charge of $378,000, and then an electric area 465 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:37,400 uh access charge uh ranging somewhere between $475 to $500,000 466 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,560 um kind of based off of uh, electric usage 467 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:46,840 and then uh, last one I've got here is a saw and 468 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:50,120 seal fee for $22,000. Uh, this was a new one to me. I did have 469 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:54,320 to ask Matt about it and he can correct me if I'm wrong. Um, once we kind of 470 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:58,480 stop seal coating because we were spending money and not getting what we 471 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:03,520 were looking for, uh, what we do now is we go and we uh, cut the preliminarily 472 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:07,840 cut the asphalt very similar to how concrete is cut to create that 473 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:11,960 pre-crack. Um, that way as it expands and contracts 474 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:15,400 keeps stays on the crack better and then uh, so we'll make that saw cut and then 475 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:19,080 we'll seal that up. It's much smaller than the toilet 476 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,880 papering you'll see around town. In fact, many times you won't even know 477 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:25,600 it's there if you're not walking along looking for those cuts. So. 478 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:31,400 Uh, and these are just kind of some pictures kind of from around the 479 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,720 neighborhood um, as of right now. So, these 480 00:33:31,528 --> 00:33:36,880 » [clears throat and cough] >> pictures are from the intersection next 481 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:41,840 to Heritage uh, Park. Uh, and then kind of looking out from 482 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:46,480 there, um, these are to the south there. This is uh, that area if you remember 483 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,960 about a year ago that a bunch of those trees were cut down. Is that correct, 484 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,480 Matt? Um, kind of looking to the north. 485 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:57,000 Uh, and then these ones are surrounding I 486 00:33:54,600 --> 00:34:01,840 believe from the uh, east side of the area. 487 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:05,520 So, ultimately staff's recommendation, uh, the city does not take any formal 488 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:12,600 action on concept plans. This is more of a provide and the the ability for the a 489 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:17,560 developer to get feedback short of sub- having to submit formal plats and 490 00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:22,879 storm water and all those other various uh, much more expensive plans 491 00:34:19,879 --> 00:34:26,399 to get some high-level feedback. So, we are just looking for feedback from staff 492 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,639 um, uh, uh, to the developer as well as city 493 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:34,760 council. Um, a a hearing is not held on concept 494 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,520 reports, but the city council, similar to what the planning commission did, may 495 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:42,600 certainly open up and take public comment from anyone who is present. 496 00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:47,679 And then the next step in the process would be to annex the property 497 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:52,080 and then review the zoning that would go along with annexation as all land must 498 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:55,480 be formally zoned. Part of the zoning process does include 499 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,080 a traffic impact study, so it's at that point that we'd get a lot more 500 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:02,040 information on how these roads would be affected. And then platting would follow 501 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:06,000 that, both preliminary and final. 502 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:10,320 So. We'll certainly stand for any questions 503 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:12,760 at this point and as I said, Lucinda 504 00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:16,360 Spahnier is certainly here and I know she had a small presentation if the 505 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:20,400 council wishes to hear it, just kind of introducing the company and herself as 506 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:26,080 well as any other thoughts that she may want to share about the concept review. 507 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:30,600 » Okay. Does anyone have any questions? Just to clarify on the southwest corner, 508 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:35,320 that open space, is that actually going to be a water retention area or just 509 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:40,760 left as a wetland area? >> Uh 510 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:43,800 you know, I am not 100% sure. I can I think it marks it on the map if I could 511 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,320 zoom in on it right now, but >> I think it says wetland, but I just I 512 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,320 » It does. >> Not seen that before. 513 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:54,880 » It says open space with wetland and it may just be maybe Lucinda could 514 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,480 speak to that. She's certainly She's shaking her head 515 00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:01,120 that she can, so. >> Okay. 516 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,600 And they had a great presentation, so. >> Yeah. 517 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,320 I'm going to give the floor to you and you can kind of 518 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:12,360 give us a who JBP Land LLC is and uh 519 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:17,960 » Thank you, Mayor. >> I do think she has a presentation if you 520 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,960 if she'd open the podium. 521 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,200 » Do I need to do anything on my end? Besides putting 522 00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:44,720 » Mitch, does she need to do anything on her end? 523 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:55,040 Oh, yeah, sure. Typical IT guy. Just control 524 00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:59,200 [laughter and clears throat] alt delete. Just unplug it now. It'll come back. 525 00:36:59,820 --> 00:37:04,680 » [laughter] >> It's not turned on. 526 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,880 Yeah, maybe you need Are you off it now? 527 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,320 » Yeah, you can find it there. 528 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:32,320 Okay. Thank you. Um but Council member Wolfe, to answer 529 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:38,800 your question, the property has gone through a wetland delineation process 530 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:45,400 and it has a total of four wetlands. Um all quite small. 531 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:50,960 Um and the the area that you are inquiring about is indeed a wetland. 532 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:56,280 It's not planned for any man-made water storage anything like that. 533 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,280 » Thank you. 534 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:06,400 » Yeah, there are a number of different types of wetlands and sometimes it's for 535 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:10,480 the untrained eye it may not appear to be a wetland. You know, it doesn't have 536 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:16,280 the canary reed grass growing and visible water, but if it has hydric 537 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:22,400 soils and vegetation that grows in hydric soils, then it is 538 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,400 classified as a wetland. 539 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:27,800 Here we go. Yes, okay, wonderful. Thank you. 540 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,520 » All right, good evening mayor members of the city council. Thank you for your 541 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:35,520 time this evening. Um, we are very excited to present our 542 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:39,760 project to you um and hopefully get some valuable feedback that we can take back 543 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:44,680 to our engineering team um and my colleagues back at JP Brooks 544 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:50,400 Land um and um get started on our engineering 545 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:53,840 um drawings and um proceed as um Josh mentioned with the next round of 546 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:59,360 applications which are a petition for annexation of the parcel into the city 547 00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:02,680 limits as well as um the PUD rezone that we are requesting. 548 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:08,000 My name is Lucinda Spanjer as introduced. I'm here tonight with JP 549 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:12,960 Brooks Builders and JP Brooks Land LLC. We are a local builder and land 550 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:18,840 development company based in Maple Grove. Um all of the decisions that we 551 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:22,320 make are made locally um and they all um ensure that there's a consistent and 552 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:25,960 unified community that's constructed because we are starting it from land 553 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:30,840 development all the way through the construction of all of the homes on all 554 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,840 of the lots. 555 00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:38,480 Um JP Brooks has been in business since 2013 and has constructed over a thousand 556 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:42,480 homes in over 45 communities. We are currently building 19 557 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:46,400 neighborhoods in 16 jurisdictions within the Twin Cities Metro and Western 558 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:54,280 Wisconsin. We have averaged 188 closings um between 559 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:59,760 the years of 2024 and 2025. And we are consistently ranked for the 560 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:03,000 last seven years as a top 15 builder in the Twin Cities market. 561 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:11,160 And last but not least um we are certified by um the 562 00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:15,160 Green Path or actually I'm not sure who does the 563 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:20,240 certification but um we are a certified Green Path builder which um speaks to 564 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:23,880 our dedication to um, energy efficiency and efficiency in building materials. 565 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,132 Oh, it's you, not me. Okay. Okay. [laughter] 566 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,800 All right. Um, >> You got to deal with the monkey, okay? 567 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:38,320 You're going to You're the organ grinder. 568 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:42,640 » So, uh, here's a look at our site plan. Um, Josh did a nice job of summarizing 569 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:48,280 what we have uh, presented here. I'll just add a little bit more detail. Um, 570 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:54,320 but that's been a whole lot of time um, so the four different lot sizes for us 571 00:40:52,240 --> 00:41:01,280 work really nicely as a life life cycle community. Um, you have an entry-level 572 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:03,760 lot, which is the 42-ft wide lot. Um, I'll I'll get into the product that 573 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:09,160 we're proposing to build on those lots here in a minute. Um, but that is for an 574 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:13,400 entry-level buyer. Um, and then the lot scale all the way up to 72-ft wide, 575 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:18,920 which is going to be a more executive home site. Um, we can do four four-stall 576 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:22,560 garages on those homes. And so we really have a nice mix of um, different 577 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,160 households that we like to integrate into a single neighborhood. Um, 578 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:29,320 different [clears throat] income brackets and so forth. And we've 579 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:34,920 uh, really thoughtfully designed the layout of integrating these four 580 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:39,560 different lots in this 63-acre parcel um, with the the smaller lots um, 581 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:44,040 adjacent to other lots that are of similar size to theirs. And um, not 582 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:48,800 having those up against the existing neighborhood that does have a little bit 583 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,800 larger size lots. 584 00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:58,800 We are asking for your consideration of a planned unit development. Um, this 585 00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:04,400 slightly deviates from your unified development code standards. Um, 586 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:09,800 these setbacks are the same um, in the R3 district and in 587 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:15,760 the PUD district with the exception of the side yard setback. Your R3 zoning is 588 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:19,200 a 7-ft minimum and we're proposing a 6-ft minimum. But otherwise meeting 589 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:24,480 those setbacks as you have in your R3 zoning standards. 590 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:29,360 And then for the area, like we have quite a range here. So our 591 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:34,640 smallest lot would be 5,880 592 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:41,400 sq ft. Whereas your smallest lot in the R3 zoning is 6,200 sq ft. 593 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:46,840 However, it is important to note that the other three lots 594 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:51,000 exceed the minimum standard and they are the the majority There's of the lots 595 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:56,920 that we're proposing are exceeding the standards. 596 00:42:53,160 --> 00:43:04,080 And lastly just noting that those 42s make up 28 total of the 185 597 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:10,560 lots and then 52 we have 34 of those. The 62-ft wide lots are um 598 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:16,600 our most popular lot. So we are proposing 100 in that size and then 23 599 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,600 of the 72s. 600 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:26,520 This slide is simply acknowledging that we have reviewed your comprehensive 601 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:29,440 plan, familiarized ourselves with your goals and what you are seeking to 602 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:35,440 achieve with construction of new subdivisions, neighborhoods, integrating 603 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:40,160 trails, natural amenities, parks and so forth into them. 604 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:46,720 And so we wanted to acknowledge that we feel that the proposal here incorporates 605 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,400 the life cycle housing approach that you are 606 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:53,880 explicitly seeking also which was really exciting to see that our 607 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:58,280 our goals were aligned on that housing goal. 608 00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:03,320 And then we are proposing to preserve existing wetlands and in fact 609 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:08,080 incorporate one of the wetlands into an open space to be dedicated to the city 610 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:13,120 that is adjacent to the trail Um the expansion of the Greenway Trail. 611 00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:17,040 And then um we are also expanding upon your 612 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,760 multimodal transportation network through the expansion of the Greenway 613 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:24,600 Trail and um local roadways as well as minor 614 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:27,960 collector roadways. And lastly 615 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:31,720 um just highlighting that there is um 616 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:36,880 been a lot of thought put into the streetscape here with the curvy 617 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:40,600 curvilinear roads, the varying lot sizes with a variety of different views for 618 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:44,880 each um each area of the plan and then providing 619 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:48,240 those important links to the existing neighborhoods and infrastructure. 620 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:58,240 All right. And then this slide touches on the PUD benefits that are proposed. 621 00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:02,880 Usually there is um you know, a bit of a give and take with the city allowing for 622 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:06,840 some flexibility in their lot standards and then a developer providing some um 623 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:11,080 enhanced enhancements in the neighborhood. And so we are proposing 624 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:15,160 you know, the dedication of uh an acre and a half of Parkland to expand the 625 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:19,080 existing Heritage Park. We are looking to extend the Greenway 626 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:22,360 Trail from Bohemia Street to 7th Street Northeast. 627 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:28,080 Um we are also going to be contributing to your park dedication and improvement 628 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:32,160 fund as mentioned in the presentation. We are preserving existing wetlands and 629 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:37,960 uh incorporating them into the Greenway Trail corridor. 630 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:43,880 Our architectural standards that are um just that come standard. Uh they are 631 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:46,960 they exceed the city's standards. So we will have enhanced architecture and 632 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:49,840 we'll get into that in the next slide. Um 633 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:55,040 each one of our floor plans does offer three distinct elevations and color 634 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:58,800 schemes um to allow for some nice variation at the streetscape. 635 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,760 And um the 636 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:06,360 same Let me word this properly. 637 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:10,920 These same um uh 638 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:17,160 elevation or color scheme cannot be built um across the street or next door 639 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:22,000 to one another um because we do observe uh an anti-monotony self-imposed 640 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:26,280 anti-monotony code to make sure that um there's a lot of interest from the from 641 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,280 the streetscape. 642 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:32,920 And I'm not going to go through all of our architectural distinctions um but 643 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:38,120 they are um provided in your packet if you are interested um but we do a lot 644 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,880 just as standard and basic that the majority of builders [clears throat] 645 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:45,880 aren't going to incorporate at a base level but would do, you know, um added 646 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,880 charge ups for. 647 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:54,960 And then this is just a look at the anti-monotony code um as was discussed 648 00:46:52,640 --> 00:47:02,160 at the planning commission meeting last week. Um the same floor plan can be 649 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:04,920 constructed. However, um this the elevation must be different. So, each 650 00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:09,200 one of our homes comes in three different distinct elevations. 651 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:13,640 Um and then it would have have to also have a um different color scheme. 652 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,240 So, we've found a lot of success in doing that. 653 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:21,920 Here is a list of the floor plans that we are proposing to offer in the 654 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:27,200 community. As you can see, um they range from two-story 655 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:32,400 slab-on-grades, regular two-stories, villas, split-level, multi-level, 656 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:38,520 ramblers, um and it and a variety of options for all 657 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:45,960 three of those lot sizes there. And then for the um smaller lot size, which is 658 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:51,800 not pictured on this um table, the 42-ft wide lots, they will accommodate a newly 659 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:55,440 designed 30-ft wide two-car product with a two 660 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:59,480 or sorry or sorry um with a two-story garage. Um 661 00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:05,120 and I'm going to you can take a look at those on the next slide. There's a 662 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:09,360 Yep, elevate um rendering of those. So, these are currently in the process 663 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:13,560 of design, so I don't have um all of the specifics pertaining to square footage, 664 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:19,080 um number of bedrooms and bathrooms, but it's estimated to be between 1,800 and 665 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:25,800 2,400 square feet. It is a slab-on-grade product with um two, possibly three 666 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:29,280 bath- bathrooms, and uh three possibly four bedrooms. And then these are 667 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,800 » And this is for the smallest lots, correct? 668 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:36,760 » That's correct. Yes. Yep, so this this home is 30 ft in 669 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:45,160 width, and it would sit on a 42-ft wide lot with 6-ft side yard setbacks. 670 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:47,800 Um and have the um attached garage. 671 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:54,200 All right, and then I won't spend too much time going through our repertoire 672 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:58,440 of homes that we have curated for the neighborhood, um but I am more than 673 00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:01,880 happy to ask answer any questions, address any concerns, um but most 674 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,400 importantly just receive your feedback this evening. 675 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:08,880 » You could um the the there was really only one 676 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:12,920 big question that was presented, and that was the deforestation that happened 677 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:16,160 already and anything that'll happen in the future, and you can go ahead and 678 00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:20,360 answer that. Because the deforestation that did 679 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:24,640 happen, that was by a previous owner, and I believe your plan is more 680 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:28,160 environmentally friendly. 681 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:31,440 » Yes, Councilman Burseiler, so that that was a focus of the discussion at the 682 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:36,000 planning commission meeting. Um there was a lot of concern that was voiced by 683 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:39,040 residents of the community pertaining to uh the removal of some trees on the 684 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:47,080 property, and um that was done um 685 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:52,080 prior to our involvement with the um with the property and um entering into a 686 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:57,960 purchase agreement with the seller. Um so we understand that that was rather 687 00:49:55,240 --> 00:50:02,560 devastating to the neighborhood and um, our intention 688 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:08,880 for landscaping um, would be to adhere to the city's standards for um, required 689 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:14,680 trees and um, any landscaping requirements that the that the city has. 690 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:21,760 Furthermore, um, we are um, we will be needing to um, potentially mitigate of 691 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:24,920 about .13 acres of wetland at a two-to-one ratio. So, we would be 692 00:50:24,824 --> 00:50:31,600 » [clears throat] >> creating uh, .26 acres in another 693 00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:35,240 location to um, allow for some fill for a very, very small area of the wetland. 694 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:41,360 Um, that just so happens to be in the middle of a planned road. Um, so in 695 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:45,960 terms of uh, environmental um, um, consideration for this project, we 696 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:51,960 um, will be mitigating those wetlands, but 697 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,960 outside of that, it's it's a farm field. 698 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:59,960 » I think >> So, if this goes forward, do you build 699 00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:04,680 a house once you have someone a buyer or are you going to be building some spec 700 00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:08,400 homes or how's the process work for you guys? 701 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:14,880 » Sure. Um, Mayor, we do both of those. So, we like to obtain model home permits 702 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:21,680 and have the ability to get constructing as quickly as possible. Um, ideally one 703 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:24,640 model home on each lot so that folks can have an idea of the offerings that are 704 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:28,000 available for each one of those price points. Um, excuse [clears throat] me. 705 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:35,440 And then we certainly do build spec homes and also uh, we do have um, lots 706 00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:40,560 that are for sale and an individual can come and select the lot of their choice 707 00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:44,680 and then come into our um, design studio in Maple Grove and select all of their 708 00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:47,200 finishes and cabinetry and so forth unique to their home. 709 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,880 » Okay. One question I have as I look at this, 710 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,240 um, since I wasn't at the planning 711 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:56,760 commission meeting, for the lots down in the southeast corner, [clears throat] it 712 00:51:54,520 --> 00:52:00,280 looks like they're double frontage lots. Um, 713 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:05,000 are they exiting onto the existing road or they exiting onto the new road? 714 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:10,600 » Thank you for bringing this up. I I do think it's an important part of this, 715 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:16,480 uh, design here that we have considered. And the proposal is for the new lots 716 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:20,960 that have the double frontage to not front on the existing 7th Street, but to 717 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:25,200 instead have frontage on the new road that we are proposing. We are showing 718 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,960 an, um, a 719 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:32,480 added depth to those lots so that we could have some vegetative screening, 720 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,960 um, along the rear yards and along 7th Street. 721 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:42,360 » So, I'm not sure if I got you correctly on that on the south south portion that 722 00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:45,880 road is that written on the concept plan there, but it's not going to be there. 723 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:49,800 Is that it? >> No, my question was those lots down in 724 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:53,800 the southeast corner are double frontage lots, which means they're touching a 725 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:56,800 road on two sides of the property. 44 and 45. 726 00:52:55,240 --> 00:53:01,920 » Can you point them out? >> The these right down here. So, they're 727 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,800 yeah, they're touching a street >> and they're touching this street. 728 00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:06,960 » Yep. >> And so, she just mentioned that they're 729 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:10,280 going to be slightly deeper so they can put vegetation on one side to help kind 730 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,240 of create that buffer. >> Okay. 731 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:15,760 » And and that they will not front the existing roadway. We did consider that. 732 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:20,080 However, we didn't want to tear up that road. 733 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,320 » So, they're all going to be face north. >> Correct. 734 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,480 » Okay. >> Yes. 735 00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:30,440 » Could you, um, have you uh, 736 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:33,960 already conceptualized how you're going to phase this in? 737 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:39,600 » We are currently having those discussions. We have some informal ideas 738 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:46,600 that we're generating. Um, it it sounds like, um, 739 00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:51,320 sewer and water will dictate the first phase in particular where that starts 740 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:55,440 and it's looking to be about the northwest corner area. And if public 741 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:59,920 works wants to comment on that. >> That is correct. 742 00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:03,680 Sewer has come off of Bohemia Street. >> That doesn't have to but that's how we 743 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:07,640 envision it. And then Bruce said the same thing for power I 744 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:11,800 believe and water would need to come out of that northwest 745 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,800 corner. 746 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:21,800 » So near the existing Heritage Park. >> So would it follow up Ironwood then? 747 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:26,520 Or down Ironwood? >> That would be a tie-in yes. So for the 748 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:29,640 water wise the water is a big 749 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,960 for a looping water you don't like to have dead end services 750 00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:35,200 uh if you don't need to so I know Bruce 751 00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,920 mentioned at one time that Ironwood would come up to north and it would tie 752 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:41,600 into Bohemia. Sanitary that would work fine for 753 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:45,600 sanitary once you get further to the east 754 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:49,400 this lot or this development would kind of get split where sanitary most likely 755 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:52,600 would be going down to an existing lift station to the south. 756 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:56,280 But we haven't really dug into those fine details of 757 00:54:55,080 --> 00:55:00,120 the first 20 lots where you guys proposals yet or anything but yeah the 758 00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:04,760 northwest corner is where we envision the sanitary and water and electric 759 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,760 coming from. 760 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:14,720 » This isn't a question for you so much but for you guys 761 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:21,680 I I see that Alton is uh presumed to have this 762 00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:28,480 look to it. Is that we haven't seen the study yet so is this from the study? 763 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:32,360 That's and is this feel like the county's approved this? 764 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:36,640 » This yeah so this is the study that's kind of been high level presented and I 765 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:41,800 believe we may have even got a draft in our emails here today for us to review. 766 00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:45,360 And this is kind of the alignment that is being proposed both 767 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:48,440 basically from the feasibility study from the engineers. So, the county has 768 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:52,880 seen this as well, yes. >> And then how does that work when you're 769 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:56,520 looking at Alton veering to the right from the left? 770 00:55:54,480 --> 00:56:03,320 That property owner's now going to have land on the west side of Alton. 771 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:06,560 And to get that road connector in there, we would need cooperation from that 772 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,320 owner. >> Correct, yes. So, let me put part of 773 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:13,600 this process now with the feasibility study and we've been talking with the 774 00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:17,400 county of kind of revising the MOU. And part of that MOU kind of lays out how is 775 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:21,000 property going to be acquired, who's going to be kind of the lead on that, 776 00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:25,360 who's going to be the support. So, yes, for property with Alton that is not 777 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:29,160 currently there and that's a good kind of veers off of it, there will be some 778 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:34,040 sort of acquisitions that are probably going to be made. Whether it is due to 779 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,920 development of the land around there and it's dedicated as part of the 780 00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:41,760 development similar to the dedication of E streets, or if we get to a point where 781 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:46,680 the city and or the county says, "Hey, it is in everybody's best 782 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:50,080 interest if we move this along faster than maybe where development is in this 783 00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:53,920 one spot, then we'd be talking about acquiring right of way 784 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:57,240 to make that happen. But yes. >> And just so I'm clear then, for this 785 00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:01,200 plat and I'm totally supportive and conceptually of 786 00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:06,040 what we have got going here, but there will only be three exits then on 787 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:10,400 the plat then. Or not only, but there will be three basically exits from it 788 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,960 until Alton is constructed. >> And so, that mean part of part of it 789 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:16,320 will be the traffic study will kind of help bear 790 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,760 that out. If the traffic study says that they're going to need more, 791 00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:24,960 it could be something too where we start having to talk about do we need to go 792 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:28,960 north and get one or two in there sooner even if it's more of a 793 00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:33,320 temporary road knowing that it might change a little bit depending on how it 794 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:37,760 pokes out. But yes, that's That's The traffic study will help bear out 795 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:40,520 exactly what what is needed for this and whether three is sufficient in the short 796 00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,280 term. >> Okay, thank you. 797 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:49,480 » Okay. >> So, is there We don't have to take any 798 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:53,080 action at this time, do we? >> That's correct. There's no action to be 799 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:56,800 taken. It's really feedback and um for some of that, I would actually um 800 00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:59,800 look to Ms. Spanier to say, "Have Have you gotten 801 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:03,600 feedback you're looking for? Are there questions that are unanswered that you 802 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:07,640 would like from the City Council and or staff at this time 803 00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:11,880 um as this concept review is really for your benefit or JPB's benefit um with 804 00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:15,400 this?" >> Yeah, I appreciate that um 805 00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:23,720 prompt because I would love to have um 806 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:27,720 my engineers start work tomorrow, but um I would like to know that you are in 807 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:31,640 fact supportive of the project um at least conceptually uh at this point 808 00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:36,240 before we go ahead and make that next step. And so, that would be um 809 00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,880 essentially what I'm looking for here tonight. 810 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:42,000 » And this would be I would I mean, I'd like to remind like it would be a 811 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:45,120 high-level support, obviously, until we dig into the zoning and the specifics 812 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:49,600 and all that. And things could change a little bit um 813 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:58,200 as we get into all that lays out. So, >> Yeah. So, from what I've seen and have 814 00:58:52,880 --> 00:59:02,880 read, I am in support of the concept. Um I would be very interested to understand 815 00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:06,400 the traffic study um 816 00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:12,880 just because traffic in this area will be altered significantly. Um I mean, 817 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:17,880 it's a a neighborhood that sees a little bit of traffic like on Heritage going 818 00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:23,960 out to 15, um but this is definitely going to change those patterns a bit. 819 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:27,960 So, that would be my only request is to to understand the traffic flow. 820 00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:33,400 » Sean, you >> Yeah, I'm very supportive. I think it 821 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:37,320 looks nice. I like the style of houses and um 822 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:40,280 looking forward to seeing when it's completed what it ultimately 823 00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,320 looks like. >> Okay. 824 00:59:40,926 --> 00:59:43,920 » [cough] >> Rick? 825 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:47,920 » Yeah, it's great project actually the and they put in a great presentation and 826 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:53,000 I'm looking forward to the traffic many or the traffic um 827 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:58,000 study as well and um oversight on 828 00:59:55,160 --> 01:00:03,000 assembling the roads is what I I really we don't want no contractor roads. We 829 00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:06,360 don't want no temporary roads. Um >> And and and when when I had mentioned 830 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:11,400 temporary talking about Alton Avenue there for some reason say you right now 831 01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:14,240 Alton swings to the west and the proposal is to swing to the right in the 832 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:18,080 future. We wouldn't make them build some sort of 833 01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:22,320 road out to where it'd be sticking out into the future farm field that Alton's 834 01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:26,920 not currently there and so you may temporarily have it pause at the 835 01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:30,040 gravel road or something like that. That's That's what I mean by not I don't 836 01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:33,160 mean throughout the whole neighborhood we're building gravel roads and and that 837 01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:36,880 sort of thing. It was trying to do it in a way that I 838 01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:42,280 know government routinely gets um 839 01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:46,600 and maybe rightly so we build roads that we tear up two years later. So trying to 840 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:50,400 think smartly about how we design stuff if we know that it is temporary in 841 01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,920 nature. Okay. 842 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:55,080 Bruce? >> Uh no, I support the concept. I 843 01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:59,920 appreciate all the work that you guys have put into it and I I think it's it's 844 01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:03,840 seems to be a lot of thought put into it. So I really appreciate the work that 845 01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:08,280 you guys have done. >> I also support the concept. I think it's 846 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:12,480 something that is needed for the city of New Prague 847 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:16,760 as we continue to figure ways to get more kids in the school district. I 848 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:21,680 know that's a big issue that superintendent does say, "Hey, we need 849 01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:24,880 more housing and things like that too so that we can fill our schools up, so. 850 01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,560 » And >> Appreciate the project and 851 01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:31,640 good luck. >> Yeah, and also our businesses, you know, 852 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:35,880 with the EDA going out and talking to our various businesses, it's, you know, 853 01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:38,440 housing is needed to draw employees into the 854 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,840 the area. >> Absolutely. 855 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,720 » All right. >> Again, I really appreciate your time 856 01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,960 this evening and your support as well. So, look forward 857 01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:48,040 to seeing you soon. >> All right, thank you for coming and 858 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:52,040 presenting. >> Thank you. See you on the next one. 859 01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,040 » Yep. 860 01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:58,120 » Next on the agenda is miscellaneous. So, we're at this point. Rick, do you have 861 01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:01,520 anything to add? >> No, I'd say no. 862 01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:06,320 » Okay, Bruce. >> I can't believe we had 7 in of rain in 863 01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:08,302 Lee County this fall. Um 864 01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,760 » And Henderson didn't flood? >> [laughter] 865 01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:14,440 » Yeah, and Henderson didn't flood. Um earlier on you were talking about 866 01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:17,400 elections at the new city hall. Uh technically it won't be the city hall at 867 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:21,920 yet at that time. I guess I've had questions, will will there how will that 868 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:26,040 all going to be laid out and things, but I don't know that really matters that we 869 01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:29,320 have any more information on that. You figure it out how that will work. 870 01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:35,120 » Yeah, I mean that's part of it too. Um and I'd kind of mentioned in my weekly 871 01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:38,800 update to you all um on Friday that we we begin we begin conversations with 872 01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:42,480 the architect. And I think part of that conversation will be how how do you 873 01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:45,880 recommend we temporarily lay this out like 874 01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:50,400 there's on certain areas or certainly locked doors in certain areas, so kind 875 01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:53,720 of just shut just the building down into two areas that we work out of. 876 01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:57,960 Um I believe the name that we submitted to 877 01:02:54,960 --> 01:03:01,560 the um state was new city hall {slash} election center or 878 01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:05,680 something like that cuz they wanted us to name it, but we tried to make it 879 01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:08,440 obvious and as obvious as possible to people when they read the name that they 880 01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:11,000 knew what we were talking about. >> And if if we're not going to have them 881 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:14,320 come through the front door, then we should make sure we communicate that 882 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:17,560 somehow in the future too. >> Yep. 883 01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,960 That's all I got. >> Okay. 884 01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,440 » Maggie? >> No, sir. 885 01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,480 » Sean? >> Nope. 886 01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:27,120 » Josh, you have anything else? >> I did have one thing that I wanted to 887 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:31,320 mention. It sounds like we're going to be two down, but if the three 888 01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:34,960 who will be at the city council meeting on the 17th, we did actually receive an 889 01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:38,520 application for a planning commissioner. I know that 890 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:41,920 we've been short one. And um 891 01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:44,920 Rick has graciously stepped up to fill that role, but we did actually get an 892 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:47,920 application here at the end of last week. 893 01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:51,720 And so, if possible for the three that will be here 894 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:56,960 to have maybe an interview 15 minutes 10 minutes before the meeting on the 17th. 895 01:03:54,760 --> 01:04:00,240 » And then we're going to move the budget meeting to a different date. 896 01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:03,360 » Correct. Yeah, we're down to three. It doesn't make sense to have a budget 897 01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,440 meeting when half the team's gone. >> Right. 898 01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,080 Yeah, that would work. We're room for you guys. 899 01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,320 » I should be able to hear you. >> Yep. 900 01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:17,000 » Oh, that's fair. I didn't even think about that. Um 901 01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:20,160 as we were trying to get to the end knowing that we usually on that second 902 01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:25,040 meeting in September, we have have approved our 903 01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:29,400 preliminary in the past. Um we do have an extra meeting and with 904 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:34,800 labor Labor Day being late, it kind of pushes everything back. And so, 905 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:40,280 I guess the other option would be to say on the Monday before Labor Day, we don't 906 01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:44,000 have a meeting. The 31st, we could also do a special budget meeting too if we 907 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:46,480 don't want to push all the way back, but I guess that would be up to you guys if 908 01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:49,520 you're available for the 31st. 909 01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,960 Then I know we can come in and just kind of 910 01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:57,280 tackle it out and see if we could get the preliminary kind of set from there. 911 01:04:55,560 --> 01:05:01,120 » Yeah, it works for me. >> I'm available. 912 01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:04,440 » Sounds good to me. >> Say all this as you speak. I'm sure I'm 913 01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:08,400 available. >> Yeah, the only thing I have is a utility 914 01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:11,400 commission meeting at 3:30, so but that's the 24th. Are you talking about 915 01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,560 the 31st? >> talking 916 01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:18,840 » the 31st. >> Can are do it on the 24th instead? 917 01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:21,680 » Do the budget meeting on the 24th, you mean? 918 01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,720 » Yeah, you mentioned you told me that's the 24th, isn't it? 919 01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:27,640 » Well, I got >> the 31st? 920 01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:30,080 » So, for 31st at 3:30. >> That's the utility. 921 01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:32,200 » Okay. It is the utility commission. >> Right. 922 01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:34,320 » Yeah, the 31st at 3:30. >> Glad you said that. I must have said the 923 01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,680 wrong date. >> Yeah. 924 01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:40,040 » So, it like So, we did the 31st like 5:00. I guess I don't know how long the 925 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,760 utility commission >> It could be done by 4:30. 926 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,280 » Yeah, I don't think we had any major on there. Usually we're done within an 927 01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:49,120 hour. >> And I yeah, I find I mean I guess I know 928 01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:51,200 four people are retired. I guess John, would you be available at 5:00 on the 929 01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,480 31st? >> Yeah. Yeah. 930 01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,280 » Don't assume things because someone's retired. 931 01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,900 » Yeah, fair enough. That's fair. >> That's right. 932 01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,120 » That's fair. >> [laughter] 933 01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:01,960 » Sorry, Bruce, are you available at 5:00 on the 31st? 934 01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:03,920 » Our days are busier than you think. >> No, I know. It's amazing how that 935 01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,480 happened. [laughter] >> Become my staff and 936 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:11,560 » Yeah. Yeah, I got people. I'll take a look at it. 937 01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:17,200 So, right now it's tentatively on Monday the 31st at 5:00 938 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:22,200 our second budget meeting. Rescheduling from 939 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:24,200 the one that was going to be handled on the 17th. 940 01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,680 » Correct. >> Okay. 941 01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:30,560 So, let's put it on the calendar. >> Got that, Patrick? 942 01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:33,240 5:00 on the 31st of August. 943 01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,880 Show up in October, you might be late. 944 01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:43,000 That's all I have, then. >> Okay. 945 01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:48,280 Robin, you have anything? Tim? How's the new uh police station? 946 01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,760 » When my turn go? >> I didn't I I said Robin. 947 01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:53,440 » He said Robin. >> Did he say 5:00? 948 01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:55,040 » I know I was finishing updating on the budget meeting. 949 01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,640 » you got to be >> Okay, Tim. 950 01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,520 » No, no. Robin, do you have something? >> Or are we on to Mitch already? 951 01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:03,320 » No, we're on Robin. >> I think we're on to Patrick already. 952 01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:06,760 » No, I'll put you in before Patrick, okay? But Robin, do you have something? 953 01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:09,800 » need like an hour of your time. >> That's all? 954 01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:15,680 » Okay, since elections has been a hot topic, I just wanted to clarify that we 955 01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:19,080 do have early voting here at the building we're in right now, 118 Central 956 01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:23,680 Avenue. Um for Scott County residents, Le Sueur 957 01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:26,680 County residents can go to the Le Sueur County Government Center. 958 01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:30,400 Um >> That is by county design, not ours. 959 01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:33,320 » County design, correct. Not our own choice. 960 01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:40,520 » Sure. Dennis Sneak Outta Here, you know. >> Um this Saturday from 9:00 until 3:00, 961 01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:43,680 this building will also be open for early voting for Scott County residents. 962 01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:46,160 » Primaries. >> As well, for primary. 963 01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:48,880 » Yes. And primaries on the 11th. 964 01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:53,240 » Yes. >> And that will be handled 965 01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:55,480 » at the new city hall. >> Yes. 966 01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:59,160 » Building, correct. >> So that'll be a good test. 967 01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:01,000 That'll be a good test for our general election 968 01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,040 to make sure >> Correct. 969 01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:06,000 » All right. >> Yep. And of course we'll be spreading 970 01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:10,240 the word during that primary election as well. That the general election will be 971 01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:12,487 occurring there as well, so. >> Are you done now, Robin? 972 01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:16,200 » Thank you, yeah. >> [laughter] 973 01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:16,200 » Okay. Tim. 974 01:08:17,480 --> 01:08:22,839 » Matt. >> How's the new police station? 975 01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:28,120 » Uh it's really good. Um really thankful and we're getting settled in there, so 976 01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:32,880 figuring out how everything works and uh boiler inspection tomorrow morning that 977 01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:36,839 um shouldn't be any issues with that, so. 978 01:08:34,799 --> 01:08:40,680 And we've got a lot of positive feedback from folks that we've already served out 979 01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:44,759 of that building, and so very good, positive feedback, so. 980 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:49,200 It's great. >> Okay, good. Matt, do you have anything? 981 01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:52,720 Mitch. Patrick. 982 01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:56,799 Hello, are you there? Brian, anything else? All right. 983 01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:59,839 Uh the only thing I'd like to say is I know Dennis mentioned it that in a 984 01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:03,560 couple weeks we're going to start the state amateur tournament. We are looking 985 01:09:01,799 --> 01:09:08,400 for volunteers. Um I think there's a sign-up genius out 986 01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:12,480 there that if you can get a hold of Nick Sheneker or I think the Facebook 987 01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:15,880 page is Memorial Park rebuild or something like that. It's I think that's 988 01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:20,799 the Facebook page that you can link up for uh 989 01:09:18,440 --> 01:09:24,000 volunteering on the different uh committees that they have going there. 990 01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:26,240 So. I don't have anything else. I'll make a 991 01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,560 motion to adjourn. >> Second. 992 01:09:26,799 --> 01:09:30,000 » Second by Rick Siler. All in favor, say aye. 993 01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:33,440 » Aye. >> Aye. Any opposition? Okay, we're out of 994 01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:37,600 here. Thank you, everyone. Couple minutes and uh we'll go into our 995 01:09:35,759 --> 01:09:40,080 closed session. >> You're just full of humor today, aren't 996 01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,878 you, Chuck? I heard you on the radio this morning. It was like 997 01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:45,480 » Well, gets a I come here and >> [laughter] 998 01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:52,000 » there was cars all over. They had the uh Lonsdale people there. Holy mackerel. 999 01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:56,920 Junior royalty and the royalty. >> Yeah, well, yeah, that's right. 1000 01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,920 » I could