1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,240 Uh with that said, uh we should be at 2 00:00:02,399 --> 00:00:06,000 the point of finally getting that one 3 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,080 closed out. We have notified them of 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,639 liquidated damages, uh which are in the 5 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:12,320 amount of $28,800. 6 00:00:10,639 --> 00:00:14,320 So, it is our intent to collect on those 7 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,759 liquidated damages for failure to 8 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,080 failure to meet milestone completion 9 00:00:15,759 --> 00:00:19,199 dates. And we really want to push it. 10 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:21,119 We're definitely well over the final 11 00:00:19,199 --> 00:00:23,279 completion date, too. But, uh um 12 00:00:21,119 --> 00:00:25,760 certainly the milestone completion date. 13 00:00:23,279 --> 00:00:29,359 » Okay. And then in the future we will 14 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,320 probably not um entertain any of their 15 00:00:29,359 --> 00:00:34,320 proposals. 16 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:36,480 » Yeah. That Yeah. So any any u any bids 17 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,640 coming from that contractor would um 18 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:41,600 likely be rejected. 19 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:43,680 » So So Chris, just for um just for their 20 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,120 sake, it mentions the 2026 project being 21 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,039 substantially complete, but they will 22 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,879 see lots of pipe sticking out of the 23 00:00:47,039 --> 00:00:50,960 ground about every two weeks or about 24 00:00:48,879 --> 00:00:51,920 every two blocks or a block or so. I 25 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,520 believe those are street lights, 26 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,199 correct? at this correct utilities. 27 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:58,000 » Yeah. So the work the work to be 28 00:00:55,199 --> 00:01:00,559 performed by the uh by the project um 29 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:03,359 contractor is complete mostly complete 30 00:01:00,559 --> 00:01:05,920 um new utilities is installing uh 31 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:08,000 lighting on the east side of the road 32 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,360 and they wanted to have our contractor 33 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,960 complete before they came through to 34 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,119 complete those that light installation. 35 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:14,320 So that's why it's happening um 36 00:01:13,119 --> 00:01:14,960 sequentially instead of at the same 37 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:16,880 time. So 38 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:18,240 » Do you know a rough timeline on when 39 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,840 they plan to have those lights 40 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,360 installed? Uh, I thought they said two 41 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,640 to three weeks somewhere in that that 42 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,119 neighborhood if that sounds right. 43 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,720 » Two weeks. 44 00:01:23,119 --> 00:01:25,600 » Two weeks. 45 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,040 » Yeah. 46 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,320 » Okay. 47 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,479 » And then there's some work on Highway 48 00:01:28,320 --> 00:01:32,720 19, but that's not related to our our 49 00:01:30,479 --> 00:01:33,840 project. So that's something else. 50 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,840 » Oh, you mean with the 51 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,799 » With the gas going on? Yep. 52 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:40,799 » Because that's in what state 53 00:01:38,799 --> 00:01:41,920 » There? It's in the state right away, but 54 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:45,119 private utility. 55 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:49,600 » Okay. Any other questions for Kurt or 56 00:01:45,119 --> 00:01:51,600 Chris before we go on to the item B? 57 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,920 Okay. If not, we'll get into the First 58 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,680 Avenue Southeast uh turnback. 59 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,439 » Okay. Uh next item I have for you 60 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:00,719 tonight is related to the First Avenue 61 00:01:57,439 --> 00:02:04,320 Southeast uh Lassour County Lassur Cas 62 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:06,159 60 uh uh potential turnback project. Uh 63 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:09,280 so I believe it's back in June. We are 64 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:12,239 authorized to complete a uh complete a 65 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:14,800 preliminary engineering report um to uh 66 00:02:12,239 --> 00:02:17,040 review the uh potential turnback of this 67 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:20,400 roadway from Lisser County ownership to 68 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:23,280 the city of New. Um we have been uh 69 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:25,520 looking at this potential turnback for 70 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:28,720 three years now probably at this point. 71 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:30,239 Um and uh just need to kind of nail down 72 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,000 a few things as far as what the cost 73 00:02:30,239 --> 00:02:33,200 would be, what the cost shares would be 74 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:37,680 and what the potential improvements 75 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:42,480 would be. So, uh we did uh review the um 76 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:44,160 existing roadway um make um proposed uh 77 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:47,599 uh made recommendations for proposed 78 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:50,239 improvements um and uh some costs and 79 00:02:47,599 --> 00:02:51,680 potential funding. Um the the roadway 80 00:02:50,239 --> 00:02:53,576 itself we have split into four different 81 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:56,480 areas working from south to north. 82 00:02:53,576 --> 00:02:59,440 [snorts] Um area one and area two are in 83 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:01,920 the worst condition. Area two is um from 84 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:05,120 about 11th Street uh circle southeast to 85 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:06,879 about fifth street. southeast. Um, so 86 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:10,200 that would take care of the south half 87 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:10,200 mile line. 88 00:03:13,519 --> 00:03:16,560 » So, so we're good. Yeah. 89 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,280 » Okay. 90 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,879 » You woke me up. [laughter] 91 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,720 » So, that'd be the south half mile of the 92 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:25,760 roadway. Uh, the remaining half mile is 93 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:29,120 is considered areas three and four. Um, 94 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:32,319 areas one and two were uh improved. um 95 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:34,480 the middle area two was improved in 1986 96 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:38,319 to show what show how old that roadway 97 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:41,519 was. Um area one was uh in the in the 98 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:44,560 90s it was 1998 and then area three um 99 00:03:41,519 --> 00:03:46,480 the north portion and uh area threes and 100 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,640 four uh were early 2000s and then I 101 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:51,760 guess with the more recent Main Street 102 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:53,120 paving project. So um so we have gone 103 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,920 through this. We have had a meeting with 104 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,360 Lassour County to review um the cost and 105 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:00,560 cost for the project, the potential 106 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:02,000 funding splits. Um and um we did have a 107 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,599 very positive meeting with them. 108 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,120 Everything seems to be in agreement with 109 00:04:03,599 --> 00:04:07,920 what we show in the report as far as how 110 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:11,599 we would um likely go through a a 111 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:15,680 turnback. So, um, as far as the costs in 112 00:04:11,599 --> 00:04:18,000 this project, we did, uh, largely match 113 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:21,040 what was performed on the Scott County 114 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:25,600 turnback projects more recently, 209 115 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:27,440 and, uh, 2022. So, we're regarding uh, 116 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:30,479 Columbus Avenue, more most the most 117 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:32,000 recent one. Um, copied identically how 118 00:04:30,479 --> 00:04:34,000 the cost share was done on those as far 119 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,240 as who paid for what, um, whether it's 120 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:40,160 street cost, sidewalk costs, utilities, 121 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:42,080 and and so forth. Um and uh that's what 122 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:45,919 was used as a guide for preparation of 123 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:48,240 this report. Um so with that said um as 124 00:04:45,919 --> 00:04:52,080 I mentioned before working from south to 125 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:54,880 north um we do have costs for um area 126 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:58,560 one uh which we have estimated to be 127 00:04:54,880 --> 00:05:02,080 about $850,000 $847,000 total project 128 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:04,639 cost. Um area two we have a total 129 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:06,800 project cost estimated $977,000. 130 00:05:04,639 --> 00:05:08,080 that's including engineering and soft 131 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,199 costs and all the other associated 132 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:12,320 items. Um and then uh areas three and 133 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:15,199 four have been kind of lumped together 134 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:18,400 since they um would have similar 135 00:05:15,199 --> 00:05:20,240 improvements at about $713,000. 136 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:23,280 So areas one and two we are proposing to 137 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:25,280 do a pavement reclamation which is to um 138 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:27,840 leave the curb in place but grind up the 139 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:30,240 black top with the gravel um repave the 140 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:31,440 roadway um remove the excess material 141 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,520 and then repave the roadway with six 142 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:36,240 inches of new black top. Um so the 143 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:39,680 roadway would be um same geometrics as 144 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:41,360 it is today just with new surfacing. Um 145 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,919 that would be for areas one and two. The 146 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,759 south half of 1 Avenue Southeast while 147 00:05:43,919 --> 00:05:47,919 the north half is proposed for Melon 148 00:05:45,759 --> 00:05:52,160 overlay um because it is in much better 149 00:05:47,919 --> 00:05:54,320 condition and that uh um is currently 150 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,479 being proposed to uh potentially be a 151 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,289 future project whether it happens at the 152 00:05:56,479 --> 00:05:59,360 same time or not because it is 153 00:05:58,289 --> 00:06:00,880 [clears throat] in much better 154 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,479 condition. So there's seven inches of 155 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,720 black top on that portion of the roadway 156 00:06:02,479 --> 00:06:06,560 which is probably the heaviest roadway 157 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:10,240 in the section in town I imagine with 158 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:15,440 that um section. 159 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:18,479 Uh I mentioned some timing on there. Um 160 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:20,160 the next step in this process uh we do 161 00:06:18,479 --> 00:06:21,840 have the the report in front of you here 162 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,080 today would be to move into a memorandum 163 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:26,720 of understanding which is to outline the 164 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:31,199 expected cost participation by uh city 165 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:32,880 new and um lassur county. Um and then uh 166 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:36,319 moving after that it'd be moving towards 167 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:38,639 a uh turnback agreement. Um that'd be 168 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:41,039 the more formal process which would have 169 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:42,400 all the same findings um from the 170 00:06:41,039 --> 00:06:44,720 memorandum of understanding but would 171 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,960 likely be uh take place uh concurrently 172 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:49,600 with with bidding of the project when 173 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,880 costs are a little more finalized. 174 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,280 There's a process to kind of follow 175 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:56,479 through that. Um the turnback process 176 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:58,880 itself wouldn't be initiated until um 177 00:06:56,479 --> 00:07:00,560 likely March at the latest so that the 178 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:03,520 turn back of the roadway at the soonest 179 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,720 could happen in uh 2028. Doesn't mean 180 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,639 the improvements can't happen before 181 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:09,280 that, but that's when they officially uh 182 00:07:06,639 --> 00:07:12,639 would change jurisdiction. 183 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:14,240 Um and that is uh just based on mind 184 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:16,720 cycles as far as when those when that 185 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:22,080 timing would happen. 186 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:24,240 So, uh, with that said, um, 187 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,680 I I don't have information on 188 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,440 assessments. That wasn't part of this 189 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,880 report. That would be something that'd 190 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,120 be completed afterwards if the project 191 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,280 does move forward. Um that is something 192 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:36,560 that uh we didn't want to include with 193 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:38,960 the u report uh beyond just saying city 194 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:41,440 share of costs because assessments are 195 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:43,120 would not be um something that the 196 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,680 county would participate in a cost for 197 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,759 determining since they are uh going to 198 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,120 be uh providing about 50% funding 199 00:07:47,759 --> 00:07:51,360 towards this report that was put 200 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:54,000 together. So we as a city item we 201 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:56,240 decided to leave that one out. So the 202 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,800 next step would be a feasibility report 203 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,599 and uh if the project moves forward well 204 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,039 sorry the next step would be a 205 00:07:59,599 --> 00:08:03,199 feasibility report for assessments and 206 00:08:01,039 --> 00:08:05,919 then as a project moves forward all your 207 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:07,360 normal um normal improvement schedule 208 00:08:05,919 --> 00:08:10,639 for prioritizing [clears throat] bidding 209 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:13,120 and construction all that stuff. 210 00:08:10,639 --> 00:08:15,759 So 211 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,360 this is all broken down in areas. Is it 212 00:08:15,759 --> 00:08:19,840 something that we're planning to do 213 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:23,440 everything next year? 214 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,840 » No. So, uh, section one and two 215 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,520 » Mhm. 216 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,960 » Are the ones that we were proposing that 217 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,960 I proposed to the county of last week 218 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:31,280 when we met that we would like to see 219 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,519 one and two done. That would be the 600 220 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:36,719 block roughly to the south and then 221 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:39,919 anything north of that was done in 2002 222 00:08:36,719 --> 00:08:41,680 2003ish. Um, that is the proposed just 223 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:43,200 to leave it and just pay the city lump a 224 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:46,720 lump sum payment and then we'll do that 225 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:48,080 down the road. In my opinion, we could 226 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,240 hopefully see another 10 years out of 227 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:53,120 that, maybe five years. Obviously depend 228 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,399 on Minnesota winner. Um but that that 229 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,760 road still has a lot of life in it 230 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:57,120 before we would do any maintenance to 231 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:00,000 it. So and the county was in in 232 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:02,560 agreeance. Um me, Chris, and Ken met 233 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,000 with the the county and it was a very 234 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:05,839 good meeting. They were agreeance on 235 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,920 pretty much everything we proposed. We 236 00:09:05,839 --> 00:09:09,760 like Chris said, we just pretty much 237 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:12,399 everything the council approved in 2019 238 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:16,800 and 2022 on the Scott County agreement. 239 00:09:12,399 --> 00:09:18,640 That's what we proposed to them. So, 240 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,160 » And again, I just asked Chris to come um 241 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,519 since he was here today already to 242 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,080 present this. I know this has been a 243 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:25,680 major top topic for three, four years 244 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,360 with that First Avenue on the south side 245 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:29,440 deteriorating as fast as it has been. 246 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,120 So, um I thought it was good information 247 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,480 for you guys to see where we're at and 248 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:36,440 all the steps that we have been taking 249 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,440 already to get to this point. 250 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,839 » Um I got a few questions. In area three, 251 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:47,360 you talk about the last sentence on the 252 00:09:41,839 --> 00:09:49,600 2.2 2.3 area 3. Um, improvements to this 253 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,279 portion of 1 Avenue Southeast may not be 254 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:54,720 imminently needed, but would generally 255 00:09:51,279 --> 00:09:57,839 be expected within 5 years. So, uh, 256 00:09:54,720 --> 00:10:00,080 because of that, we are doing a Milan 257 00:09:57,839 --> 00:10:02,080 overlay because it's going to be only 258 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,000 useful life of five years. Are we doing 259 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,279 a Millan overlay and that's only going 260 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,120 to last for five years? 261 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:09,519 » Yeah. So the the improvements that are 262 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,040 identified in um area three which is the 263 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:13,200 north half mile of the road. So there's 264 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,920 a north half I should just um put it 265 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:18,240 that way. Uh we've identified mill 266 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,839 overlay of the pavement surface and then 267 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,440 ADA improvements are probably the most 268 00:10:19,839 --> 00:10:24,720 substantial part of the project on that 269 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,839 one. Um the uh sidewalks go through 270 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,760 driveways and a lot of those were done 271 00:10:25,839 --> 00:10:30,079 the way they were done 20 years ago and 272 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:32,480 don't meet any current standards. But 273 00:10:30,079 --> 00:10:34,000 there's nothing in there that's um 274 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,680 there's it doesn't have potholes. 275 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,880 doesn't have a lot of surfacing surface 276 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:39,120 raveling or anything like that that's 277 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:41,120 creating a a condition where we need to 278 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,200 take care of it right now. Uh when I say 279 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,279 five years, it's just more of a and and 280 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,120 matches at 10 years. So something five 281 00:10:45,279 --> 00:10:48,720 to 10 years somewhere in that range. The 282 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,959 expectation would be that the the 283 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:54,240 pavement would need a repair a mill 284 00:10:50,959 --> 00:10:56,000 overlay um but not before five years. Uh 285 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,440 if it goes after 10 years, it probably 286 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,360 becomes something more substantial than 287 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,839 a mill overlay. But that's just as 288 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,440 » Okay. My mind is a turn around. One and 289 00:11:01,839 --> 00:11:04,079 two would be done now. three and four be 290 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,600 done later. 291 00:11:04,079 --> 00:11:07,279 » The the Yeah, that the expectation is 292 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:11,040 that areas one and two would be 293 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:14,880 completed um as soon as 2027 294 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:16,880 and um the areas three and four would be 295 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,320 yeah the city has received receive the 296 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,440 funding now and take care of that 297 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,320 project when you're ready. 298 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:25,360 » Then if we when this happens, we would 299 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:27,519 sign an agreement to take it back with 300 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:32,342 the stipulations that they would still 301 00:11:27,519 --> 00:11:32,480 share cost in area three and four. 302 00:11:32,342 --> 00:11:34,480 » [clears throat] 303 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,079 » Usually in the past, Scott County had 304 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,160 paid like Scott County has paid us a 305 00:11:36,079 --> 00:11:40,160 lump sum payment for objects that we 306 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,360 were looking at doing down the road. So 307 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,000 assume that's how we do the same thing 308 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,000 as 309 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,279 » So they would pay us and then we'd say 310 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,839 we just have that money in a 311 00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:47,279 » That is correct. 312 00:11:45,839 --> 00:11:49,200 » An account uh that 313 00:11:47,279 --> 00:11:49,519 » A fund that we could use it when we're 314 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,480 ready to. 315 00:11:49,519 --> 00:11:55,440 » That is correct. Yep. 316 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:57,360 » Uh talking about new sidewalks. Um it 317 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,200 references that the expectations that 318 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,839 we'll get traffic back up to what it was 319 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,040 and maybe I think it was cited as 2024 320 00:12:01,839 --> 00:12:04,720 or something like that. Okay. 321 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,320 » Uh in the report, 322 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,720 » Something like that. And then this is 323 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,839 more of a comment than really a question 324 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,200 I guess. 325 00:12:09,839 --> 00:12:12,800 » But then you talking about the 326 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,040 sidewalks. 327 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,480 Um, 328 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:20,320 I think you say something about it be 329 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:22,880 preferable to have on both sides, but 330 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,720 I'm not sure if it's financial is the 331 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,920 main reason that it's just one side or 332 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,360 » And I apologize. I didn't I didn't go 333 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,120 into the sidewalks when I when I talked 334 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,720 about the project improvements. So, uh, 335 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,720 the north halfway, north half of the 336 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,320 project primarily has sidewalk on one or 337 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,160 both sides. Most of it, both sides. I 338 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,440 think the south block or so only has it 339 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,160 on one side, the east side of the 340 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:42,560 roadway. Uh we are proposing to extend 341 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,800 the sidewalk a six foot wide five or six 342 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:47,279 foot wide sidewalk further south all the 343 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:50,560 way to um highway 29 15th street 344 00:12:47,279 --> 00:12:52,560 southeast. Um the uh sidewalk is only 345 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:55,040 proposed on one side of the roadway at 346 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:56,240 this time. Um topographically it'd be 347 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,399 difficult to put the sidewalk on the 348 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,480 west side due to steep driveways, 349 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:01,279 steeper areas, retaining walls, things 350 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,800 are kind of in the way. 351 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:04,079 » The west side is steeper. 352 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,160 » There's some steeper driveways. There's 353 00:13:04,079 --> 00:13:07,200 some retaining walls too. So it it it 354 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,440 becomes one of those things that yes, 355 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,279 you can put it in there um but becomes a 356 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,560 much more extensive um type of 357 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:15,440 improvement when you've got some 358 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:17,680 driveways that are exceptionally steep. 359 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,040 So trying to put in a sidewalk 360 00:13:17,680 --> 00:13:21,040 » Means we're probably taking out driveway 361 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,839 up to someone's garage practically in a 362 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,279 couple spots. So 363 00:13:21,839 --> 00:13:23,920 » Yeah, I think of the east side as being 364 00:13:23,279 --> 00:13:25,600 more steep. 365 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,040 » It's I think there's one driveway on the 366 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,920 east side that identified as being kind 367 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,680 of tough. Um but uh 368 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,000 » Yeah, I was referring to sidewalks, but 369 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:33,680 yeah. 370 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,440 » Yeah, sorry. Yeah. Well, the sidewalk 371 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:37,279 through the driveway is okay. Is what 372 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,560 I'd say. So, when the the steepness is 373 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:39,440 usually a bigger concern at driveways 374 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:41,600 because we're going to have a grade 375 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,760 break to put the sidewalk through there. 376 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,120 Um, and then you have to u remove 377 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,040 everything around it to make it work. 378 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,480 And that's why the north half of the 379 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,160 project does have so much sidewalk 380 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,200 replacement is because a lot of them go 381 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,600 through driveways and a lot of that 382 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,839 sidewalks directly behind the curb. Uh, 383 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,199 so it's preferable to have sidewalk on 384 00:13:55,839 --> 00:13:59,279 both sides if we can take it all the way 385 00:13:57,199 --> 00:14:01,120 to the south end. Um, I would say we do 386 00:13:59,279 --> 00:14:03,040 have sidewalk allocated into the city 387 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,199 share. new sidewalk allocated to the 388 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:07,920 city share of the project. So, um if as 389 00:14:05,199 --> 00:14:09,440 you move forward you had the um wanted 390 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,560 wanted to install a sidewalk on both 391 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,959 sides, you certainly can make that 392 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:14,399 decision. There just be of course a cost 393 00:14:12,959 --> 00:14:16,000 associated with that. 394 00:14:14,399 --> 00:14:18,320 » Yeah, I'm not advocating that we do 395 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:21,440 both, but I do when I think about the 396 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:23,680 geography in that area, 397 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:26,160 we do have kind of a geographic 398 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:30,399 bottleneck in that part of town. That is 399 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:32,639 our main exit for quite a ways. 400 00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:34,160 I imagine when the Tokulski side on the 401 00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:36,240 west side might get developed, there may 402 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,800 be other access to 29 coming off of 403 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:41,199 there maybe or something. 404 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:43,839 » But um and I'm not saying that we need 405 00:14:41,199 --> 00:14:46,480 another pedestrian way there, but that 406 00:14:43,839 --> 00:14:48,880 is the most that would be the most 407 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:52,000 widely used pedestrian 408 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:55,040 access to get out of there. But uh 409 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:57,680 unless there's really a community 410 00:14:55,040 --> 00:15:00,079 the community really is wanting it or 411 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:02,000 screaming for it. I guess I would I just 412 00:15:00,079 --> 00:15:04,000 wanted to ask about that I guess. 413 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,600 » Yeah. And we did try to include future 414 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,040 pedestrian improvements. So you know 415 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,279 hope at some point maybe there's a trail 416 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:11,519 on on 29 or something and we are trying 417 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:12,880 to account accommodate that but uh we 418 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:14,240 did accommodate for it with the 10th 419 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,839 Avenue improvements 420 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,760 » Or something to maybe happen later on 421 00:15:15,839 --> 00:15:20,240 but uh at this point just accounting for 422 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:22,480 it not necessarily designing for it. the 423 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,079 east side where I I saw a sidewalk would 424 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,399 be going and the steepness there. I 425 00:15:24,079 --> 00:15:28,160 think in the diagram you referenced that 426 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:29,519 the hill would be shaved down. I was 427 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,199 just curious 428 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:33,440 » Who was going to give us permission to 429 00:15:31,199 --> 00:15:34,000 shave down the hill and is that cost in 430 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,600 the 431 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,800 » There's a cost associated with that and 432 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,920 we did have a conversation with the 433 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,240 property owner seemed able with it. Yes. 434 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,000 » Okay. 435 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,800 » So, and I should probably mention that. 436 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:48,800 So, um on the the east part of the prop 437 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:52,800 east side of 10th Avenue um north of uh 438 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:54,160 north of the county 29 that is um 439 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,600 private property the center line of the 440 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,959 road. So there is a rightway acquisition 441 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,199 that is needed before the turnback 442 00:15:56,959 --> 00:16:01,920 agreement actually goes fully processed 443 00:15:59,199 --> 00:16:04,079 because um the goal is with the turnback 444 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:06,639 um process is this is inherited as a 445 00:16:04,079 --> 00:16:08,000 turnback a casad turnback onto your 446 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:11,199 state aid system. So you're able to 447 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:13,680 collect uh needs funding from it. Um if 448 00:16:11,199 --> 00:16:16,000 you uh did not collect it that way or 449 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,680 not uh acquire that right away or the 450 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,680 county did not acquire that right away 451 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,959 um as part of the turnback process, then 452 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,560 you would not be able to collect needs 453 00:16:20,959 --> 00:16:24,000 over the south 454 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,480 » Thousand feet of the road or whatever it 455 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,839 is. 456 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:30,079 » The uh intersection at 29 is is that 457 00:16:27,839 --> 00:16:33,519 area going to be built up more? I mean 458 00:16:30,079 --> 00:16:35,120 um on the east side because 459 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:36,320 roundabout or something there's it's 460 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,440 really low there. 461 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,040 » Yeah. 462 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,320 Nothing's proposed as far as what we're 463 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,399 talking about with the turnback at 464 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:45,199 least. Um I haven't had any 465 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:47,279 conversations with with uh Dave Tees 466 00:16:45,199 --> 00:16:49,920 regarding any improvements at the 467 00:16:47,279 --> 00:16:51,600 intersection there though. So 468 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,519 um not there there's nothing proposed at 469 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,759 the intersection um the far south end. 470 00:16:53,519 --> 00:16:58,480 » Yeah. I don't know if it's you know more 471 00:16:55,759 --> 00:17:00,240 than I do if that's something that 472 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,079 should be considered to build it up more 473 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,079 around the sides. But 474 00:17:02,079 --> 00:17:07,360 » Will you look for volunteer flaggers if 475 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:09,360 you're interested? flaggers. 476 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:10,480 » Yeah, that that would be likely uh if 477 00:17:09,360 --> 00:17:11,919 it's if that's something that was to 478 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,760 ever be to go through, there' probably 479 00:17:11,919 --> 00:17:15,360 be extensive amount of work going in all 480 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,360 four legs of that intersection, make 481 00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:19,039 something work. So, outside the scope of 482 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:22,640 a turnback, but certainly could be 483 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:25,039 something that uh maybe in the future. 484 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:28,480 » Yeah, I was just curious when I drive by 485 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:31,120 there, the 11th Street Circle, the U 486 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,559 that that just seems like it needs 487 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:33,919 attention. I don't know if that 488 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:35,440 » That's part of this project, but 489 00:17:33,919 --> 00:17:36,799 » Oh, it is. Well, it's part of the 490 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,000 project, but not part of the turnback. 491 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:39,440 So, that's why we're not even discussing 492 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,520 11th Avenue. That would be added on to 493 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,880 the project as that that needs a milling 494 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,880 overlay. That still coding failed 495 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,160 extremely bad. And it's um we were 496 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,440 waiting to get to First Avenue so we 497 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:50,400 could do 11th Street. 498 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:52,000 » Okay. Y sounds good. 499 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,919 » Okay. 500 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,039 » Any other questions? Uh so, what are the 501 00:17:53,919 --> 00:17:56,400 steps we have? 502 00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:58,320 » At this point, there's no action to 503 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,000 take. I did get a uh and I mentioned 504 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,600 these guys. Yep. I did get an example 505 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,960 memorandum of understanding from Lura 506 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,640 County. Um you just had one other 507 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,240 question through that. 508 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,400 » So I mean the next step would be the me 509 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:12,160 memorandum of understanding I guess 510 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,880 » The cost of the rightaways in the budget 511 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,240 » In this plan. 512 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,080 » It is not and I'm not sure if we talk 513 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,799 about that Ken or not if they're the 514 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:17,280 property owner. 515 00:18:16,799 --> 00:18:18,960 » Yeah. [clears throat] 516 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,280 » So the property owner would be expected 517 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,032 to dedicate that rightway with the 518 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,000 development of their property 519 00:18:23,032 --> 00:18:25,120 [clears throat] when we have met with I 520 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,400 met with the property owner a couple of 521 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:29,200 times and then most recently I think it 522 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:31,679 was Matt Chris myself uh met with the 523 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:34,320 property owner the family I should say. 524 00:18:31,679 --> 00:18:36,240 And um I think they realize that whether 525 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,000 they develop or a future property owner 526 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:41,200 develops, it's going to be provided as 527 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,400 rightaway. I we have not talked cost to 528 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,799 acquire that because that would be a 529 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,840 requirement of obviously platting the 530 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:47,440 property. 531 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,720 » So in the map when you showed the I 532 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,240 thought it was the rightways with the 533 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,240 blue dotted line. Is that meaning 534 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,559 rightaways for all of property owners 535 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,960 all the way in section three? 536 00:18:54,559 --> 00:18:58,880 It would just be the uh the only one 537 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,240 we're looking at needing right away from 538 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,840 is going to be the south two properties 539 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:05,520 on the east side. The farm field and 540 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:07,919 then the the um house at the corner. 541 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,200 » I misunderstood then. What's the dotted 542 00:19:07,919 --> 00:19:10,160 sidewalk 543 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,520 » Sidewalk? 544 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,960 » Oh, okay. 545 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,039 » Yeah. 546 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,559 » Acquisition needed on parcels. 547 00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:18,000 » Yeah. So, we'd be looking at I believe 548 00:19:16,559 --> 00:19:19,120 40T I think [snorts] is what we 549 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,440 identified from center line of the 550 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:24,000 roadway um onto the east side of the 551 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,919 road. [laughter] So we did stake that 552 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,440 last year just where we thought [snorts] 553 00:19:25,919 --> 00:19:30,000 it would be for the property owner to 554 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:32,240 » That acquisition label for those that 555 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,480 those two pages just goes to the farm 556 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,760 field through there and so they're just 557 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:39,280 signifying that we would need to have 558 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:40,880 that rightway dedicated along that last 559 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,120 section on the south part of it. 560 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:46,873 » Okay. Yeah, it wasn't delineated what it 561 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:47,360 was referring to I guess in the map. 562 00:19:46,873 --> 00:19:48,799 [snorts] 563 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:51,760 » Thank you. 564 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:56,799 » Any other questions? 565 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:59,840 Then I guess the ne letter C the MS4 566 00:19:56,799 --> 00:20:01,440 proposal that uh is in front of us. 567 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:05,440 » Yes. So the next item I have in front of 568 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:08,000 you is uh in relation to the uh MS4 um 569 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:10,400 permit that the city is um now going to 570 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:14,320 be u required to complete. So you're 571 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:16,559 notified a couple years back um that uh 572 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:19,039 the city of New Prague would become an 573 00:20:16,559 --> 00:20:20,640 MS4 community. Um, this is in relation 574 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:22,720 to 575 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,760 MS4 communities typically are of a 576 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,880 certain population. I believe it's 577 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:29,360 10,000 or larger. Um, or you're within 578 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:33,120 uh a distance of an impaired water of 579 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:36,240 significance. Um, and in this case, Sand 580 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:38,480 Creek is is that waterway. Um and 581 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,640 because um that [clears throat] uh uh is 582 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,880 an impaired water um the city of New 583 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:47,360 Prague has been notified that you will 584 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:51,600 need to start uh um start preparation of 585 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:53,280 MS4 documentation. So uh this is a uh 586 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,520 technically you're into it now. Started 587 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,200 January 1, 2026. There's no 588 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,120 documentation needed the first year. So 589 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,559 you get a lot of little bit of leeway to 590 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:02,559 kind of start getting your bearings and 591 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:04,799 figure out what you need to do. um what 592 00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:09,200 we have done is provided you a proposal 593 00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:12,480 uh to um assist you with um assist you 594 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:14,480 with that documentation. So um on the 595 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,960 first [snorts] level we have a phase one 596 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:19,840 uh approach which is a um largely a 597 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:22,159 document uh information seeking type of 598 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,240 a proposal. So um a lot of the items 599 00:21:22,159 --> 00:21:26,720 that you need to include with your MS4 600 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,480 um permit um are things that you're 601 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,679 likely already doing. Um there's 602 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:33,120 probably a lot of things you still you 603 00:21:29,679 --> 00:21:34,559 need to start doing. Um and we largely 604 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:37,120 don't know what that is yet. So this is 605 00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:38,960 kind of an information gathering process 606 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:43,120 um meeting with city staff uh [snorts] 607 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:44,240 meeting with uh um uh council and and uh 608 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:46,480 going through some sort of a public 609 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,960 involvement uh stage here at the 610 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:51,360 beginning. So um the the the biggest 611 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,200 things right now uh we've identified for 612 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:55,280 for this information is what we kind of 613 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,039 identified in this um schedule at the 614 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,799 bottom here and we're we're some of 615 00:21:57,039 --> 00:22:00,320 these will get pushed back. We're we're 616 00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:02,880 reviewing it here today instead of 617 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,400 August 17th. But u we do have a a 618 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,400 questionnaire which is a documentation 619 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,000 we send out basically saying what are 620 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,240 you doing now so we can kind of start 621 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,960 adding that information. Um and then we 622 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:15,120 do have um a couple workshops and then 623 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,400 uh summary report and checklist. So 624 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:20,320 that's putting together uh basically 625 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:23,360 uh what are you doing, what do you need 626 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:25,919 to do and um this would all be used in 627 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:29,520 preparation of um like we have phase two 628 00:22:25,919 --> 00:22:31,760 which is implementation um and that's 629 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:34,559 starting to to uh complete the the items 630 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:37,440 that you need to do for your for your uh 631 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:40,080 MS4 permit which I believe would be um 632 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:42,720 ultimately submitted in in May which is 633 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:45,840 I think it's May every year. So this is 634 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,120 kind of one of those things that um 635 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,880 it's going to be kind of a learning 636 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:51,120 process 637 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,200 um for not FCS has done many of these 638 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:57,360 but just learning what you are doing um 639 00:22:53,200 --> 00:23:01,200 at the beginning here and uh kind of um 640 00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:02,640 working with the city as far as um what 641 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,559 you need to do, what do you want to do, 642 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,080 what do you want us to do. And then 643 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:08,159 that's kind of what goes into the second 644 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,600 phase is u we do have the ability to 645 00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:10,960 complete a lot of this documentation for 646 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:14,080 you but there's probably not much reason 647 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:16,880 for us to [snorts] to do that um at 648 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,080 least not uh you know forever because 649 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,159 this is something you'll be doing on a 650 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,799 annual basis. It doesn't mean you'll be 651 00:23:20,159 --> 00:23:24,320 doing this proposal on annual basis but 652 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:25,760 once you start doing the the submitts 653 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,280 and documentation that you need to 654 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:30,799 prepare that is something you have to do 655 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:32,000 every year. Um there will be a um every 656 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:34,880 five years you should expect to be 657 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:38,240 audited from that information. Um so 658 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,520 there are certainly um certainly some 659 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,280 reasons to getting sure you get it I 660 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,320 guess the way you need to do it. So 661 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,840 you're probably doing a lot of the work 662 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,679 you need to [snorts] do pond inspections 663 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,919 and things like that um that get 664 00:23:45,679 --> 00:23:49,760 implemented into it. Um you're going to 665 00:23:47,919 --> 00:23:51,120 have a lot more stuff you need to do. 666 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,440 you're going to identify someone that's 667 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:55,520 doing um SWIP inspections, looking at 668 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,120 private developments, doing all sorts of 669 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,039 stuff you aren't necessarily doing now, 670 00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:02,080 but uh so you will have some extra work 671 00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:05,039 added to your [snorts] um to your staff, 672 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,400 but uh um that's basically what we need 673 00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:08,880 to find out. What do you need to do 674 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,280 here? 675 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,200 » Okay. 676 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,679 » So, the proposal we have in front of you 677 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:16,159 here today is an hourly not to exceed uh 678 00:24:13,679 --> 00:24:18,320 fee of $29,900. 679 00:24:16,159 --> 00:24:20,559 Um this would be led by uh Jeremy 680 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:23,840 Walgrave who's in our water resources uh 681 00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:25,200 group. Um Jeremy's met with uh city 682 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,799 staff here through a couple meetings now 683 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,080 already. I think maybe a year two years 684 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:31,440 ago I think we had the first time and 685 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:33,200 then um early this summer as well. So um 686 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,520 he's prepared these [snorts] 687 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:38,159 um he's assisted several cities with 688 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:40,159 preparation these documents and has has 689 00:24:38,159 --> 00:24:43,440 a good background for that. 690 00:24:40,159 --> 00:24:47,120 So, is this December 15th 691 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:48,880 date a firm date, which means I know 692 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:49,679 we're we're missing some of the earlier 693 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,720 dates, but 694 00:24:49,679 --> 00:24:52,640 » Yeah. So, the 695 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,400 » Something that we can still achieve. 696 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,240 » Uh the December 15th date, I would 697 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,080 expect we'd still be able to to stick 698 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,440 with that. Um or [clears throat] 699 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,559 certainly before Christmas. There's 700 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,320 nothing in here that says you have to 701 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:04,559 get it done by 4, December 15th. This is 702 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,159 just trying to get us prepared so that 703 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:07,520 um we know what we need to do so we can 704 00:25:06,159 --> 00:25:10,559 start working on that next step in 705 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:12,640 January is the general idea so that uh 706 00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:16,240 then everything do need to get ready for 707 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:17,840 that first uh permit submittal um first 708 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,360 documentation is ready for that I think 709 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,480 it's I believe it's May has to be 710 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:23,600 submitted. So it's just uh yeah I think 711 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,799 a lot of stuff will probably be shifted 712 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,640 back a little bit but I don't see that 713 00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:28,559 December 15th date changing a whole lot. 714 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,679 Maybe I would probably just say before 715 00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:34,000 Christmas on that one. Okay. 716 00:25:31,679 --> 00:25:36,080 » Besides uh inspections, do you uh 717 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:39,120 foresee us in the future needing to 718 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:42,240 either adjust zoning or ordinances or 719 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:43,600 how we uh allow developments to occur or 720 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,760 our permit process? 721 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,520 » Yeah, there will some of the items put 722 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,840 in there is are going to include 723 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,039 ordinance um updates and that's going to 724 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,799 be some of the things that whether it's 725 00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:54,480 Ken and his staff work on it or 726 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:57,039 something that a CH helps out with. 727 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,320 there's some template um items that we 728 00:25:57,039 --> 00:26:00,320 can provide and you just kind of orient 729 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,840 it towards how you want to work with it. 730 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,279 We can write them all directly and do 731 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,799 all that kind of stuff. So again goes 732 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:07,120 into our determination of what you need 733 00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:10,000 to do. But yes, you will need to change 734 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:12,320 change things um that that are in your 735 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,320 um in your city code. 736 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,000 » Someone building a commercial building, 737 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:20,000 will they notice notice a difference 738 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:22,960 from yesterday to next year? 739 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,159 I'd say most uh most developers that are 740 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,240 coming in at this point, we're making 741 00:26:24,159 --> 00:26:27,679 them aware of the changes and I think 742 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,279 the the items that we're referring to 743 00:26:27,679 --> 00:26:31,760 right now are going to still follow 744 00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:34,480 those guidelines that MS4 will have the 745 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,840 the storm water requirements. Um so we 746 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,919 are trying to get them oriented towards 747 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,880 that even though it's not officially 748 00:26:37,919 --> 00:26:41,600 ordinance, [clears throat] but once you 749 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,640 have the permit, I mean you're you're 750 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,159 going to be you're going to be the 751 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,080 permit holder and people in your in your 752 00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:49,480 city are going to have to be following 753 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,480 it as well. 754 00:26:49,679 --> 00:26:52,400 Okay. 755 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,480 » One thing I want to point out, Chuck, um 756 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,760 or mayor, sorry. Been talking to you too 757 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,799 much lately outside of the council 758 00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:01,840 meetings. Um [clears throat] so the cost 759 00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:04,559 for this um study is 29,900 like you 760 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:07,279 said. So I pro I budgeted 15,000 for 761 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:09,919 this in the 2026 budget. We've had a 762 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:12,240 good uh budget this year for the storm. 763 00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:14,159 Um I anticipate we'll have the 764 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,760 additional 15,000 to cover that 765 00:27:14,159 --> 00:27:18,159 difference, but if we do not, we would 766 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:21,200 have to take out of the fund balance. Um 767 00:27:18,159 --> 00:27:22,720 and we are sitting uh very well in the 768 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,039 storm budget so that would not be an 769 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,960 issue but this is a necessary step. It's 770 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:30,080 one audit and they miss we miss one 771 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,360 thing in our um paperwork and that fine 772 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,440 would exceed this. So this is a 773 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:34,640 necessary step but uh on top of that 774 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,159 we've talked about this for so many 775 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,320 years now that the city will become an 776 00:27:36,159 --> 00:27:40,640 MS4 city. It's coming up. We've been 777 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,240 preparing for it. Um, we doing a lot. I 778 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,760 know we're doing 75% of the things that 779 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,400 we should be doing already to be an MS4 780 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,720 city, but there are that 25% of stuff 781 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,000 that we could be missing that we need an 782 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,919 expert that's done this with other 783 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,520 cities to understand exactly what we're 784 00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:56,240 missing. 785 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,440 » What triggers that, Matt, becoming an 786 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,039 MS4 city? 787 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,480 » Well, this one doesn't You would think 788 00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:04,240 New Prairie hasn't changed much in five 789 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:06,159 years. How could this um how did we fall 790 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,760 into this lap now? Well, I know a lot of 791 00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:09,679 the bordering cities, New Market, Bell 792 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,840 Plane, I think just recently landed in 793 00:28:09,679 --> 00:28:13,679 at the same time we did. I think it's 794 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,159 because what who we dump into. Is that 795 00:28:13,679 --> 00:28:16,000 correct? 796 00:28:14,159 --> 00:28:18,080 » Yeah. So, if you're over 10,000 797 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,000 population or if you are part of a 798 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,080 regional water significance or impaired 799 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,919 water, I should say. So, Sand Creek 800 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,840 wershed is is the reasoning for it. So, 801 00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:28,640 once that got designated as an impaired 802 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,080 water um and I want to say it was within 803 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,600 I can't remember the the range of miles. 804 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,480 I think it might be within five miles. I 805 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:37,679 can't recall exactly, but um but because 806 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:41,120 of the proximity to Sand Creek um that's 807 00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:42,399 why you got put on to it. So um yeah, 808 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,399 even though you're less than 10,000 809 00:28:42,399 --> 00:28:45,600 population, so a lot of the other that's 810 00:28:44,399 --> 00:28:50,399 why the metro communities are included 811 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:53,919 in there, but uh you were not. 812 00:28:50,399 --> 00:28:55,840 » Okay, any other questions? 813 00:28:53,919 --> 00:28:58,799 If not, I guess I'll look for a motion 814 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,520 to approve this uh proposal, the MS4 815 00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:01,840 proposal. 816 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,440 » So move 817 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,320 And I will second. I got a motion by 818 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,559 Rick S, second by Chuck Nikolai. 819 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,279 There's no other questions. All in favor 820 00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:09,600 say I. 821 00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:12,320 » I. 822 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,960 » I. Any opposition? Okay. Passes 5-0. 823 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,080 Thanks, Chris. 824 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,080 » See you in two weeks. 825 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,080 » Okay, 826 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,480 next we have John, right? 827 00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:23,440 » Yes. 828 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,960 » From Wald. 829 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,320 » Unless it's easier for me to do it. I 830 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:30,840 can either way. 831 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,840 » Either way. Plug in there. 832 00:29:32,450 --> 00:29:34,470 » [snorts] 833 00:29:43,585 --> 00:29:45,605 [snorts] 834 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,559 » There we go. 835 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,799 » Evening, [clears throat] mayor and 836 00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:58,720 council. It's good to be back on a 837 00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:02,320 different project this time. And this 838 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:05,360 one is is is the relocation of city hall 839 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:08,000 over to the uh building that uh the city 840 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:10,080 just recently purchased. Um we've met a 841 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:13,679 couple of times with city staff to kind 842 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:16,559 of go over some ideas on what we can do, 843 00:30:13,679 --> 00:30:19,120 what we can defer in the building and um 844 00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:21,919 are looking for some feedback tonight on 845 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,760 a couple of different ideas that um are 846 00:30:21,919 --> 00:30:26,640 important as we look at this building. 847 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:29,279 not only from a building usage but also 848 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,840 from the side of public access. Um so 849 00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:34,559 those of you that are looking at this, 850 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,559 we do have a public parking area on the 851 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:38,799 south side. It's noted on the drawings 852 00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:40,799 here as there's 11 stalls there. Uh 853 00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:43,039 there is a sizable parking lot behind 854 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:45,120 the building with 41 stalls in there. 855 00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:46,720 And so while there isn't a lot of 856 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,480 traffic to city hall, there are 857 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,039 sometimes meetings in the council 858 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,520 chambers and whatnot that will involve 859 00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:55,360 the potential of using uh the back lot 860 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,919 for public parking. So we wanted to make 861 00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:00,240 sure to present some options that would 862 00:30:57,919 --> 00:31:03,279 not only help with access to those 863 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,720 public spaces, but also uh enhance 864 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:06,000 security in the building as well, so 865 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,000 that we don't have people kind of 866 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,320 walking up back ways like what we do in 867 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,000 this building here. Um, so this is just 868 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,000 to illustrate that there are a number of 869 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,880 entries on the building that we'll need 870 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,880 some level of control over. And so we've 871 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,880 had a number of conversations related to 872 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,200 how we want to do that. And we'll kind 873 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,039 of talk through that uh as we go through 874 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:28,080 the presentation. 875 00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:30,640 So for option number one is kind of a 876 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,640 more traditional um look at how we might 877 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,200 organize the building. Kind of the main 878 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,679 vestibule on kind of the southeast side 879 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:40,159 there at the angle. Um there's a very 880 00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:43,039 large open rotunda in there, that 881 00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:45,840 octagonal space uh that sets up nicely 882 00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:47,360 for some sort of a service counter in 883 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,279 that area. And so what we would envision 884 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:53,039 is capturing probably about half of that 885 00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:55,679 area uh for city staff to have a 886 00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:57,039 singular uh service counter in that 887 00:31:55,679 --> 00:31:59,440 building. So kind of combining those 888 00:31:57,039 --> 00:32:01,360 into one location so that uh the public 889 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:04,399 coming in has kind of a one-stop shop 890 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:06,320 for city services. Um, a couple of 891 00:32:04,399 --> 00:32:09,360 things to note in that lobby is there is 892 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,799 no security in that lobby from uh what 893 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,272 we're noting in this option as the 894 00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:12,880 council chamber. So, we would add some 895 00:32:12,272 --> 00:32:16,880 [snorts] 896 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:18,559 some doors in that area to allow uh for 897 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,360 the public to kind of be in that public 898 00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:24,399 area and the staff spaces and the 899 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:28,320 council chambers uh would be secure and 900 00:32:24,399 --> 00:32:30,799 only opened based on uh usage. Uh this 901 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,799 option here would add two handicap 902 00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:35,200 accessible toilets. We have done a 903 00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:37,840 preliminary occupancy count of the 904 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,360 council chambers and based on the usage 905 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,799 of that and the square footage of that 906 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,559 space it kind of dictates how many 907 00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:45,840 restrooms we would need in that public 908 00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:48,640 area and two are the number. So we are 909 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:51,919 proposing two uh unisex bathrooms in 910 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:55,039 that area non-gendered toilets. Uh we do 911 00:32:51,919 --> 00:32:58,080 have um a service counter that we're 912 00:32:55,039 --> 00:33:00,240 proposing to have um impact resistant 913 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,559 glass, not ballistic glass, but impact 914 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,600 resistant glass, kind of similar uh but 915 00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:07,919 more uh designed into that space. Uh a 916 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,679 little public uh terminal in there. Um 917 00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:11,919 and then a kind of a sub lobby area 918 00:33:09,679 --> 00:33:14,960 leading into the council chambers. Uh 919 00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:16,960 this option here envisions uh doing some 920 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,880 renovation in that corner by the council 921 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,600 chambers to not only add a toilet but to 922 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,039 add a a conference room in that area. So 923 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,799 not unlike the conference room that's 924 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:27,039 downstairs in this building. Something 925 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:29,679 that's in the more public area so that 926 00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:32,240 uh we don't have uh to escort people 927 00:33:29,679 --> 00:33:34,480 into the back area. We are showing a 928 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,880 council chambers as oriented to the 929 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,880 south. So the council would sit on the 930 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,840 south side against that southern part of 931 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,919 that octagon octagonal area there. We 932 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:47,200 are suggesting that that existing side 933 00:33:43,919 --> 00:33:49,200 door would be a safe and secure way for 934 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,360 uh city staff and council to exit that 935 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,200 space should there be some emergency 936 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,519 that's necessary that so that we don't 937 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,440 have to go back through the public area. 938 00:33:55,519 --> 00:34:00,799 Um and then from our conversations with 939 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:04,799 staff, we have added a um side area uh 940 00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:07,279 to connect our uh staff positions to the 941 00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:09,760 council uh DAS in there. The council 942 00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:12,560 disated similar to what you have in 943 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:15,679 here. We are budgeting to add uh 944 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:18,480 ballistic protection to the council dis 945 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:20,960 uh safety reasons. It's a traditionally 946 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:24,000 the way that we do uh council chambers 947 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:27,679 uh today. And we do have a desk in there 948 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:30,079 for uh the media location um similar to 949 00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:31,440 what you have here. Um during our 950 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:34,000 conversations, [snorts] it was noted 951 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,079 that we would likely relocate all of the 952 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,520 council equipment that's in here to the 953 00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:38,560 new building. And so that would be 954 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,040 something that would need to be 955 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:44,079 coordinated uh during construction as to 956 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,919 how that IT stuff gets moved over there. 957 00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:47,760 Uh the remainder the remaining part of 958 00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:49,760 the building would pretty much stay as 959 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,159 is today. Maybe a little painting and 960 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,280 touchup here and there, but as if you've 961 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:55,119 toured through the building, it's in 962 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,359 good shape. So, we don't expect there to 963 00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:59,280 be a lot of changes that are necessary, 964 00:34:57,359 --> 00:35:01,040 but we would be adding a card access 965 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,040 system to the building. And through our 966 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,359 conversations with code official, we 967 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:08,480 would need to provide uh handicap 968 00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:10,240 actuators to uh any location where we 969 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,119 would have the public coming and going 970 00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:14,560 from the building. Um, in this option 971 00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:17,599 here, we're leaving the existing 972 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:21,280 training room on the east side, uh, as 973 00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:23,839 is. Um, and adding a door near where 974 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,760 those bathrooms are. So, as it's being 975 00:35:23,839 --> 00:35:27,839 used as a polling location with two 976 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,839 separate polling areas in there, uh, 977 00:35:27,839 --> 00:35:32,720 having access to public bathrooms would 978 00:35:29,839 --> 00:35:34,560 be important. So, adding another point 979 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:37,520 of security in that area would allow the 980 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:40,400 public to use those restrooms um, if 981 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:43,599 there is a need for that. 982 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:48,000 When we go to option two, uh we had some 983 00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:51,440 conversations related to um usage of the 984 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,680 east training room versus the um 985 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,480 octagonal space. And we had some 986 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,400 conversations related to the the parking 987 00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,280 lot on the north side, having more 988 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:04,480 parking available there. Would it be uh 989 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,760 possible to put the council chambers in 990 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,440 that training room and have it 991 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,359 completely separated from the rest of 992 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,359 the building? uh we would still provide 993 00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:14,079 access to those public restrooms. That 994 00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:16,560 would solve uh the need to provide two 995 00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:18,640 bathrooms off the main lobby. Uh in this 996 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:21,040 version, we would only need one unisex 997 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,680 bathroom off of the main lobby. It would 998 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:26,880 retain the octagonal space as a training 999 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,960 room in future growth for the city. Uh 1000 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,640 and the rest of it would remain the 1001 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,400 same. It's just a different way of 1002 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,440 looking at it. And that's one of the key 1003 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:38,560 components that we would like to um get 1004 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:40,800 feedback from the council uh tonight. So 1005 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:44,240 I'll pause there before we go through 1006 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:46,800 the um the current estimate for the 1007 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:49,040 project and u look for any questions 1008 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,760 from the council we would like to get 1009 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,520 some consensus on which option that we 1010 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,560 want to go with so that we can advance 1011 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:59,040 the drawings to the next stage. Is the 1012 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:01,119 yellow meaning construction or does 1013 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,240 yellow mean something in particular? 1014 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,440 » It's where we're doing the most 1015 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:05,040 renovation. Yes. 1016 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,119 » Okay. 1017 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,480 And I guess more question for Josh. I I 1018 00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:11,200 was just surprised when I looked at this 1019 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:14,240 that there aren't that many offices. Are 1020 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,880 we still having 1021 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:19,440 do we have enough 1022 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,040 space for the individual staff members? 1023 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,880 » Yes. So, if you were to count current 1024 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,960 city hall staff members today, we have 1025 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,119 about 12 people that work out of city 1026 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,079 hall full-time. So, when you look at the 1027 00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:33,040 various spaces, there's the what amounts 1028 00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:35,520 to four kind of office environments. If 1029 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:38,480 you make that one a council uh a 1030 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,920 conference room, you the one, two, three 1031 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,520 kind of as they go around the curve. 1032 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,079 There's a larger space that could work 1033 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,839 as an office. Um, right now we're kind 1034 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:49,040 of viewing it more as like a supply 1035 00:37:45,839 --> 00:37:50,960 closet, copers, all the noisy stuff that 1036 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,320 we deal with, a kind of a work room with 1037 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,079 maybe a desk in there. 1038 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,000 » Then there's another a fourth office 1039 00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:56,800 kind of across that little hallway there 1040 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,320 then. 1041 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:03,280 » And then you end up having um 1042 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,800 kind of going south there, you've got a 1043 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,760 large enough space that you can put four 1044 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,760 or five kind of workstations in there. 1045 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,359 And then in that front lobby area, the 1046 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,359 staff that would are the most direct 1047 00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:14,800 with the public all of the time, there's 1048 00:38:13,359 --> 00:38:16,320 enough space for three or four 1049 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,800 workstations kind of right up front 1050 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,960 there um for those people that deal with 1051 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,040 the counter on a consistent basis. So 1052 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,200 you end up dealing with I guess roughly 1053 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,560 that gives you 1054 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,040 uh off top my head 1055 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:31,520 » 13 14 1056 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,040 » 13 spaces without really having to jam 1057 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,680 people into spaces that don't make 1058 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,680 sense. Um, like I said, then as you get 1059 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,640 into it, I mean that that works that 1060 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,920 work office space is large enough you 1061 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,800 could fit desks in there in the future 1062 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,079 if [clears throat] you have to. 1063 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,240 » And then ultimately, as we kind of 1064 00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:47,760 talked through this whole process, um, 1065 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:50,560 depending on which way you went, you 1066 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:53,040 would have a space on one side that 1067 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:55,040 would be able to be expanded into in the 1068 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,440 future if you saw a staff staff 1069 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,680 expansion, if that became something that 1070 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:02,560 um, was a big need of the city at the 1071 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:05,359 time. So when you walk in, are you 1072 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:08,000 envision or am I to envision that 1073 00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:10,960 there's a person standing on that part 1074 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,880 that's diagrammed as a wall 1075 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,839 » Is as a service counter that would be 1076 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,320 actually like a a built-in desk service 1077 00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:18,640 counter. 1078 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,000 » But I Yeah. And I don't know at least we 1079 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,680 talk it doesn't sound like there's 1080 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,240 somebody working directly at the 1081 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,560 counter. 1082 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:25,760 » Yeah. To clarify we based on our 1083 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,440 conversations we want the most 1084 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,880 flexibility there. So staff would be 1085 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,800 sitting at their workstation and then 1086 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,240 whoever would walk up to the counter, 1087 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,320 whether it's somebody to see the 1088 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:36,480 building official, planning and zoning 1089 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,480 question, a finance question, uh the 1090 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,920 staff would come up to the counter to 1091 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,960 service them. So it'd be more of a 1092 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,720 standup work area uh on both sides. 1093 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,040 » So it wouldn't be someone sitting there 1094 00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:46,720 then? 1095 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,640 » No, not permanently. No. 1096 00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:51,520 » Okay. So otherwise the spacing didn't 1097 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:54,400 seem to see seem right if you have four 1098 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:56,000 three or four people behind a person 1099 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,960 sitting at the front here. So those 1100 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:01,760 those beige dashed things are intended 1101 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,440 to be workstations for staff. 1102 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,720 » Okay. 1103 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:08,800 » So in my [clears throat] packet I see 1104 00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:12,240 the 1105 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:14,357 um proposed budget for option one 1106 00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:15,200 » But not for option two and 1107 00:40:14,357 --> 00:40:16,640 [clears throat] the pages are 1108 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,520 sequential. 1109 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:21,119 » Correct. 1110 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:24,320 » Um what would be the proposed budget for 1111 00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:26,240 option two? uh the because there is more 1112 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:30,079 construction that's needed for option 1113 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:32,000 two with adding a vestibule and um into 1114 00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:33,520 the council chambers and some of the 1115 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,680 additional work that would be needed in 1116 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,520 there. Uh our opinion is is that the 1117 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,200 cost estimate is negligible between the 1118 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,960 two of them. So council can make the 1119 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,800 decision based on operationally what 1120 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,400 works the best. 1121 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,560 » I'm surprised by that because you're 1122 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,880 eliminating a bathroom and that the 1123 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,640 savings there is going to be eaten up by 1124 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,760 the 1125 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:56,560 » The training room. it's within, you 1126 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,839 know, it's within5 to$10,000 between the 1127 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,079 two of them. And we can certainly run a 1128 00:40:57,839 --> 00:41:01,760 detailed estimate on option two. Uh 1129 00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:03,920 tonight was to give you kind of an idea 1130 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,680 where we're landing from, you know, kind 1131 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,800 of the traditional putting the council 1132 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:11,200 chambers in the octagonal space. Um and 1133 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,920 once we kind of get that decision, we 1134 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:16,400 can u finalize the details of what it's 1135 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:19,440 going to take to do it and update it uh 1136 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:22,000 at our next council update. 1137 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,960 I guess in my opinion having the council 1138 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:30,560 chambers in the octagonal 1139 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:33,040 area makes more sense to me to keep that 1140 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:36,160 training room open for expansion of 1141 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:40,359 employees and perhaps more cubicles 1142 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,359 um if needed in the future. 1143 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,119 » I would agree with you Maggie. 1144 00:41:45,403 --> 00:41:49,119 [clears throat] That's a very large room 1145 00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:51,119 and it could have multiple uses. 1146 00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:52,880 » Correct. Yeah, it's a nice bit of 1147 00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:53,520 flexible space to have available. 1148 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,280 » Yeah, 1149 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,119 » I'm good with option one. 1150 00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:00,880 » Yeah, I also agree with Maggie's 1151 00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:04,640 statement, too. I think the the look 1152 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:06,800 that that council chambers on option one 1153 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:11,319 I think gives it 1154 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:11,319 a unique look and I think that's 1155 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:17,119 » We have access to the parking lot from 1156 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,359 that public exit then 1157 00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:22,480 » Yeah if you look if you go back to the 1158 00:42:19,359 --> 00:42:25,839 site plan um there is a sidewalk that 1159 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:28,160 leads to that side door so either coming 1160 00:42:25,839 --> 00:42:30,160 our thought was for council meeting 1161 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,160 night, we would have the lobby, the main 1162 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,839 lobby area be open, but also have the 1163 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,040 ability to utilize the back parking 1164 00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:37,119 area. 1165 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,200 » I Yeah, I mean, for all of this, I would 1166 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:40,720 assume staff will always be parking up 1167 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:44,319 in the north lot, kind of like we do 1168 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:46,400 here now. Um, and then even if with you 1169 00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:47,920 guys with key cards to get in, whether 1170 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,359 that's locked or not, you guys would 1171 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,520 have access. So, if you wanted to park 1172 00:42:49,359 --> 00:42:53,200 them behind, too, you just have access 1173 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:56,240 to that back door, leaving that front 1174 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:58,960 lot open for any visitors. Is is there 1175 00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:01,040 one uh option that you feel provides 1176 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,800 more value to the taxpayer than the 1177 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,480 other? 1178 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,640 » Initially 1179 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,400 um there was some intrigue about the 1180 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,880 training room because of its you know 1181 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,560 location and that type of stuff but I 1182 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,040 think from looking at kind of a more 1183 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:17,440 traditional formal council venue. The 1184 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,960 octagonal room kind of fits better for 1185 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,640 that because as you can see you're 1186 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,359 sitting at a desk with angles in it 1187 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:26,079 already and so that room tends to to 1188 00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:28,720 lend itself to that. The only caveat is 1189 00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:30,480 it's got a lot of windows in it and so 1190 00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:32,079 um we just have to be able to control 1191 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:36,480 daylighting and some of that type of 1192 00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:38,480 stuff in there. So, um if you want my 1193 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,400 opinion on this, I think option one also 1194 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,079 probably provides the best flexibility 1195 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,760 in the future, but we wanted to at least 1196 00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:45,040 explore a couple of different ideas for 1197 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,599 you. 1198 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,200 » Yeah, I like option one. And um the 1199 00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:51,040 thing I don't like about it 1200 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,040 » Is you're cornered in there. So there's 1201 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,920 no escape 1202 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,680 » Or 1203 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,480 » If there was uh something going on with 1204 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,520 the residents 1205 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,079 » In option one. 1206 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,400 » Yeah. 1207 00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:02,560 » Well, so there there is that staff exit. 1208 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:05,280 And that's kind of why I know we talked 1209 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:07,920 of where they're positioned and but how 1210 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,839 you could potentially build that in a 1211 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,800 way that that provides an exit if 1212 00:44:09,839 --> 00:44:13,680 needed. 1213 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:16,319 » Yeah. That staff is there is that a 1214 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,920 closet in in between 1215 00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:19,359 If you look to where the council would 1216 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,960 be sitting, 1217 00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:22,079 » The the dark line, is that [snorts] just 1218 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,079 like a half wall or? 1219 00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:25,760 » Yep, that's just a half wall. That's it 1220 00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:28,160 would be kind of like this ramp here, 1221 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:31,880 but maybe with a more formal wall to 1222 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,880 kind of blend it in. 1223 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:38,240 » Uh, are most new buildings uh putting in 1224 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,520 ballistic protection? Yes. 1225 00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:44,880 » Is that a pretty standard thing now? I 1226 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:46,880 have since uh I don't know probably a 1227 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,200 third of way my through my career uh 1228 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,920 we've been putting ballistic material in 1229 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,680 uh council desks to be able to give you 1230 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,480 the ability to protect in place if 1231 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,480 necessary 1232 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,200 » And it's only in the desk then that this 1233 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:57,760 would be in 1234 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,640 » Y 1235 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,359 » Nothing. 1236 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:03,920 » We are proposing to put film on the 1237 00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:06,160 exterior windows to provide some level 1238 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,079 of impact resistance to those existing 1239 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:10,079 windows in there just because we have 1240 00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:12,240 such a large quantity of windows. Uh 1241 00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:14,160 certainly that's a budgetary decision 1242 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:16,160 you can make, but it seemed prudent 1243 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,480 based on how much glass is in there for 1244 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:21,520 us to have some amount of impact 1245 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:23,760 resistance to um council changes 1246 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,680 » And that just and just for their sake 1247 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,599 kind of talk there's different ways you 1248 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,200 go about that. you could physically 1249 00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:31,359 replace the glass, 1250 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,520 » Which was the much higher cost option. 1251 00:45:31,359 --> 00:45:35,680 And then similar to I'm assuming like 1252 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,200 when you put the window tint on your 1253 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,400 window, there's a film you can put over 1254 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,599 it that just 1255 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,040 » I guess probably like putting a 1256 00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:42,240 protector on your screen on your phone, 1257 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,640 just provides a little bit more 1258 00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:46,240 resistance than what the glass provides. 1259 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,560 » There's a lot of products that came 1260 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:50,960 about with a lot of the school work that 1261 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:53,920 we do that have transitioned into a lot 1262 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,359 of our government projects as well, just 1263 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,800 all the research that's been done out 1264 00:45:55,359 --> 00:45:58,560 there. So what we're trying to do is 1265 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,200 just slow people down. 1266 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:04,160 » Chief Applin, were you consulted in any 1267 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,680 of this? 1268 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,920 » Just at a high level, but I haven't been 1269 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,800 a part of the conversations. 1270 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,960 » No. 1271 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,960 » Thank you. 1272 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,760 » Is staff get ballistic material, too? 1273 00:46:15,359 --> 00:46:16,160 » Yes. 1274 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,160 » Okay. 1275 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,160 » Mhm. 1276 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,359 » What are you saying? 1277 00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:23,920 » Just smile [laughter] at me. 1278 00:46:21,359 --> 00:46:25,092 » Just ask. 1279 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,560 because I care about you. 1280 00:46:25,092 --> 00:46:29,359 [clears throat] Thank you. 1281 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,400 » You'll be expected to wear a target on 1282 00:46:29,359 --> 00:46:32,960 yourself. 1283 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:36,079 » So I I think Bruce, are you in thinking 1284 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:38,560 option one is a better option? I I think 1285 00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:40,240 » The parking was the only concern I had 1286 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,520 on that. But I think if you have access 1287 00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:41,920 to the back way, 1288 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,640 » Yeah, 1289 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,800 » That that's me. I 1290 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,599 » So I assume that consensus is option 1291 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,880 one. 1292 00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:50,960 » Yes, for me. Yes. 1293 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,920 » Yes. 1294 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,319 for me. But 1295 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,800 » Yep, we will uh continue to build some 1296 00:46:54,319 --> 00:46:58,480 details around that. We would enjoy to 1297 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,640 review with the council at a future date 1298 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:03,280 the design of the dis and what that kind 1299 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,040 of public facing piece would look like. 1300 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,240 Um we should look at the budget a little 1301 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:09,839 bit. Uh we did a little bit more 1302 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:12,079 detailed budget uh on this based on um 1303 00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:14,960 our being on site and some of the design 1304 00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:18,160 work that we've done. Uh and right now 1305 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:20,560 including a roughly about a $23,000 1306 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:23,680 estimated contingency, we're at roughly 1307 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:26,160 about $480,000 in construction. Now, 1308 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,920 this assumes that a general contractor 1309 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,680 is doing all of the work. There has been 1310 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,839 some conversation about using city 1311 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,440 resources to do that. We have not taken 1312 00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:35,440 that into consideration at this point in 1313 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,520 time because literally we're just at the 1314 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,960 point of finalizing the design and we 1315 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,359 would just need to make sure that that 1316 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,599 doesn't have overburden uh your other 1317 00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:46,319 staff people. But our intent would be to 1318 00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:48,800 come back with a recommendation on uh 1319 00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:50,800 how we would split that work scope out. 1320 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:54,000 A couple of other things to note in here 1321 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:56,880 that still need some uh additional work, 1322 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:59,359 which is the technology uh budget. We've 1323 00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,359 established roughly about 115,000 as a 1324 00:47:59,359 --> 00:48:04,480 set aside budget for technology just 1325 00:48:01,359 --> 00:48:06,960 based on conversations. Um obviously we 1326 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:09,920 would like to reuse uh what we have at 1327 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:12,960 city hall right now. Um and so that may 1328 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:15,520 have some impact on that as well as uh 1329 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,359 this does include uh an updated card 1330 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,839 access system for the building. So this 1331 00:48:17,359 --> 00:48:22,079 includes modification of doors to 1332 00:48:19,839 --> 00:48:24,960 provide for card readers and all of that 1333 00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:26,640 stuff is included uh in the budget. Uh 1334 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,800 there's some miscellaneous site stuff 1335 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,640 that will likely be done by the city for 1336 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:33,760 parking lot lights and the sign out 1337 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:36,079 there and then an overall u project 1338 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,319 contingency for unknown. So, at at the 1339 00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:41,040 schematic design level that we're at, 1340 00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:43,040 it's it's critical to have some uh 1341 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:45,680 contingencies in there. And as we go 1342 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:48,800 through the next phase of construction 1343 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:50,800 documents, we'll be working on uh kind 1344 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:54,079 of the final engineering, figuring out 1345 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,839 what things we uh can save on and then 1346 00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:58,079 bringing back a final recommendation to 1347 00:48:55,839 --> 00:48:59,280 council at a future meeting. One thing I 1348 00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:01,680 would like to note guys is when you look 1349 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:04,319 at that technology budget um one of the 1350 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,000 things that we are having to adapt 1351 00:49:04,319 --> 00:49:08,240 around is I guess you could currently 1352 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,680 call city hall the brains of our city 1353 00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:12,400 operations. We have connected all of our 1354 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:14,319 buildings with fiber and a lot of the 1355 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,559 brains of the city are located here. So 1356 00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:19,680 we have to move those brains somewhere. 1357 00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:22,960 Um and this building uh fiber is about a 1358 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,640 block and a half away. And so, um, part 1359 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,160 of that technology budget is just 1360 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,920 acquiring fiber and then working through 1361 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:31,599 our own utility that can do the work to 1362 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:33,119 run that fiber, um, over to the new city 1363 00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:34,720 hall location. So that way we have the 1364 00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:37,839 new building connected to the rest of 1365 00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:39,200 the hub. But also then working with, um, 1366 00:49:37,839 --> 00:49:41,359 Bruce and staff and just trying to 1367 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,599 figure out the is would this location be 1368 00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:45,599 the best place for a new brains or 1369 00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:47,040 center of the city or are we better off 1370 00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:50,160 putting it in like the power plant or 1371 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:52,640 that sort of thing. um hopefully trying 1372 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,800 to eliminate maybe a need if in 30 40 1373 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,160 years to have to move it again, but 1374 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,160 that' just be conversations we have 1375 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,160 internally. 1376 00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:02,400 » Well, Josh, when we walked through it 1377 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,559 was going to be a couple of bathrooms 1378 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:07,040 and we thought 200,000 and then it was 1379 00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:09,119 then we gave you a check for 650 and now 1380 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,400 it's 760 and we're not even done yet. 1381 00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:12,240 » You didn't give me a check for anything. 1382 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,359 Well, but we in our budget meeting you 1383 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:15,760 asked for 650 1384 00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:17,200 » And that was where we I I guess we 1385 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,800 working with Matt, him and I kind of 1386 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,400 walked the building and we made a very 1387 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,680 general guess as to what we thought it 1388 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:26,079 would be. And so um 1389 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:28,160 » Yeah and like I said that that was with 1390 00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:32,400 staff doing some work and as as John 1391 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:34,319 mentioned this is uh all contractor work 1392 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,079 at this point, contingencies built in, 1393 00:50:34,319 --> 00:50:37,520 that sort of thing. So, as we get 1394 00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:39,520 through this process, my hope is that 1395 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:43,680 this will get narrowed down a little bit 1396 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:45,440 um to a more realistic number. So, 1397 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,839 » I guess I was asking for clarification 1398 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:50,880 on that, too, because the number seems 1399 00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:53,040 more than what we talked about. And when 1400 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:56,160 we talked about a $400,000 construction 1401 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,839 budget, I'm not sure maybe we the when 1402 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,119 we use that word, it might mean 1403 00:50:57,839 --> 00:51:00,880 something different for different 1404 00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:03,680 people. So, I'm not sure if that was 1405 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:06,400 meant to mean the construction budget or 1406 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:08,720 the direct construction scope, but in my 1407 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,800 mind, 400,000 meant the whole 1408 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:13,280 construction part of it. 1409 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,200 » So, I'm not sure. Are we thinking of 1410 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,599 trying to get that back down to what we 1411 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,119 thought around that 600,000 number or 1412 00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:20,400 » I I mean that that's our hope obviously 1413 00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:22,160 and I think working through some of this 1414 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,680 a lot of it even comes down to what what 1415 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:27,599 do we need to do now? What can we do 1416 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:29,520 later? Um some of it comes down to um so 1417 00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:32,800 uh and we're certainly aware this is 1418 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:34,480 higher than what was anticipated. Uh but 1419 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,240 this this is the scope that we've talked 1420 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,839 about. Our intent is to continue talking 1421 00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:40,720 about it and figuring out if there are 1422 00:51:37,839 --> 00:51:42,480 some ways to to save. We haven't even 1423 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:44,079 had our mechanical engineers out to the 1424 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,400 building yet to try to figure out what 1425 00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:47,839 we can reuse, what needs to be modified. 1426 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,680 So we have placeholders in the budget 1427 00:51:47,839 --> 00:51:51,200 for what we would expect for restrooms 1428 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,440 and that type of stuff and ventilation 1429 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:55,119 systems. And so as we go through the 1430 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,720 next stage of design, we're going to do 1431 00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:59,520 that field verification and make sure 1432 00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:02,800 that we are looking to reuse what we can 1433 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:06,640 in the building. 1434 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:08,640 » Okay. So obviously you understand which 1435 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:11,599 direction the council would like to go. 1436 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,960 Uh what's the timeline then of the next 1437 00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:15,760 step, Russ? 1438 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:17,520 » So we're early September. I think uh we 1439 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,280 had proposed to be pretty well done with 1440 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,359 the schematic design here in September. 1441 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,800 So, we're on track right now for where 1442 00:52:21,359 --> 00:52:24,480 we would hope to be. I think we had 1443 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,359 allowed a couple of months to do final 1444 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:29,520 design documents. And so, I'll work with 1445 00:52:27,359 --> 00:52:31,920 Josh and staff to kind of finalize the 1446 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,760 details on that. And we'll look to come 1447 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,520 back to council probably some midpoint 1448 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,520 in the next phase of design. So, 1449 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:40,319 probably sometime in October 1450 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:42,160 » To uh review kind of the final design of 1451 00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:44,480 the council chambers and we'll have an 1452 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,240 updated estimate at that time. and we 1453 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,240 expect to be done with the bidding 1454 00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:49,920 documents probably in that November time 1455 00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:51,520 frame sometime. So, we're still on track 1456 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,160 to what we had expected at this point in 1457 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:56,880 time. 1458 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:58,880 » Okay. Any other questions? 1459 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,599 » All right. Well, looks good. Thank you 1460 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,480 very much. 1461 00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:03,720 » Well, thank you. 1462 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,720 » Thank you. 1463 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,280 » Next on the agenda is 1464 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,760 ordinance for introduction. Is this a 1465 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:14,240 first reading uh Ken of ordinance number 1466 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:16,480 367? This would be the first reading. 1467 00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:19,599 So, I give you a little background. Um, 1468 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:21,680 council will recall we did do some um 1469 00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:24,160 minor amendments to the unified 1470 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:26,480 development code on July 6th that were 1471 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:29,920 adopted. Um, those are some quick 1472 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:31,520 changes we needed to make. Some 1473 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,760 kind of more we'll say more important 1474 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:36,742 and more critical amendments from when 1475 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,520 we adopted that back in March that 1476 00:53:36,742 --> 00:53:40,160 [clears throat] 1477 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:42,640 immediately. uh this next set of 1478 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:46,000 amendments and we hope we've got uh most 1479 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:47,920 of them subject to u one final item 1480 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,000 we're bringing back to the planning 1481 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,400 commission in September regarding solar 1482 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:55,440 power but um planning commission did 1483 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:58,240 review uh these changes in July and held 1484 00:53:55,440 --> 00:54:01,040 a public hearing at our August 26 1485 00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:02,960 meeting. We did not have any um public 1486 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,839 comment received at that meeting on 1487 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:09,440 August 26, but just wanted to go over uh 1488 00:54:05,839 --> 00:54:12,319 in general terms the uh changes that are 1489 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:14,720 proposed. So number one um in the 1490 00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:16,480 unified development code wanted to 1491 00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:18,640 specifically call out that shipping 1492 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:21,119 containers and storage containers are 1493 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:23,520 not allowed as structures or permanent 1494 00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:26,079 buildings. Uh there's a set of concerns 1495 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:29,142 and then also concerns meeting building 1496 00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:30,160 code. That was something that um just by 1497 00:54:29,142 --> 00:54:33,920 [clears throat] the fact that it wasn't 1498 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:35,760 listed specifically as being uh allowed 1499 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:38,559 that they were prohibited but we want to 1500 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:41,359 make that clearer because we did have 1501 00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:43,680 some inquiries about that. Um so the 1502 00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:45,359 language he put together surveyed number 1503 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,839 of the cities in the area what they were 1504 00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:49,680 using for that clarifying language that 1505 00:54:47,839 --> 00:54:52,400 is included in that [clears throat] 1506 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:54,000 uh clarifying again language regarding 1507 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,800 uh the city requirement building permits 1508 00:54:54,000 --> 00:55:00,319 for all solar systems and explicitly not 1509 00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:03,599 allowing ground mounted solar um again 1510 00:55:00,319 --> 00:55:06,160 the city code or the uh UDC does not 1511 00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:08,079 specifically allow these at this point 1512 00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,559 but we're just clarifying the language 1513 00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:13,280 that one you need a permit if put solar 1514 00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:16,000 panels on the road. And then number two, 1515 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:18,000 uh, specifically listing that ground 1516 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,240 mounted solar are not allowed that 1517 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:24,160 inquiries. Well, ordinance doesn't say 1518 00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:27,119 they're not allowed. It's like, well, by 1519 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:30,800 state statute, if you don't allow it, it 1520 00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:33,920 is prohibited. So, we're just clarify. 1521 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:36,640 Uh, third one regarding parking vehicles 1522 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:39,599 in uh front yard or even back or 1523 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,800 sideyard or residential properties. Uh, 1524 00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:43,680 put that language in there. So, you 1525 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,680 can't just park on the grass. We had uh 1526 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:48,079 again some questions of people saying, 1527 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:51,280 "Well, I don't have a passenger vehicle. 1528 00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:53,119 I have a commercial vehicle." So, we're 1529 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:55,680 uh suggesting making the change saying 1530 00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:57,839 that any vehicle parked in the grass in 1531 00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:00,880 your front yard, side yard, rear yard is 1532 00:55:57,839 --> 00:56:04,000 not allowed unless it's on a paved area. 1533 00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:06,400 So, that's another change. 1534 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:09,040 Um we do allow them in certain cases to 1535 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:12,960 be on gravel I should note but this is 1536 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:14,799 saying yeah improved but um this is 1537 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,079 being changed so that you can't make the 1538 00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:20,400 argument that it's some commercial 1539 00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:22,000 vehicle that um you get an exception for 1540 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,160 just know we're clarifying that you 1541 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:28,240 can't park. 1542 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:30,480 Uh fourth one uh regarding that uh 1543 00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:33,599 commercial industrial building that are 1544 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:36,079 accessory. Um previously to the UDC 1545 00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:38,079 being adopted we didn't require any 1546 00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:40,480 design requirement requirements for 1547 00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:42,480 them. PL commission had quite a bit of 1548 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:45,200 discussion about this uh following the 1549 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:47,760 public hearing uh at the meeting in 1550 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:49,119 August and there's kind of a list of 1551 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,760 different things that they have to meet 1552 00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:54,240 from uh using varying colors, varying 1553 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:58,799 roof lines, windows, 1554 00:56:54,240 --> 00:57:00,079 accents to the the garage door. Um and 1555 00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:01,920 the way the code was written, they had 1556 00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:04,480 to pick two of these criteria which 1557 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,000 applied to principal buildings. We've 1558 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,920 never intended that to apply to 1559 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,040 accessory buildings. So planning 1560 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,520 commission determined that they should 1561 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:14,240 pick at least one of these aesthetic 1562 00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:17,200 requirements um that are kind of a menu 1563 00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:19,680 of options that they can pick. So that 1564 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,359 was what the planning commission 1565 00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,520 one of the design elements that have to 1566 00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:25,359 be incorporated into your commercial or 1567 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,240 industrial accessory buildings like a 1568 00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:31,280 shed or a garage. 1569 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:34,079 Uh fifth one regarding decks. This is 1570 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,680 another kind of clarifying item. U we've 1571 00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:38,240 had more and more people wanting to put 1572 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,799 decks around uh pools that are in their 1573 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,720 backyards. And the way we had UDC 1574 00:57:40,799 --> 00:57:44,799 written and even going back before we 1575 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,880 did the big adoption and change back in 1576 00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:49,280 March, it was just that you couldn't 1577 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:52,319 have a deck less than 20 ft from your 1578 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:58,240 rear lot line that was intended for 1579 00:57:52,319 --> 00:58:00,480 attached decks u and for fire uh 1580 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:03,520 separation purposes and and that type of 1581 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:05,119 thing. With these detached decks, they 1582 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,720 really are like an accessory building 1583 00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:10,000 and pools are already allowed to be 1584 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:13,280 within uh 10 ft of a rear side lot line 1585 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:17,200 anyway. Um and this was limiting people 1586 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:20,000 to not have detached deck above ground 1587 00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:22,720 pool is really what this would 1588 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,079 play with. This is saying that as long 1589 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:27,359 as they're not attached to the home, 1590 00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:30,559 they just accessory structure setbacks 1591 00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:32,799 of basically 10 ft instead of 1592 00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:35,040 um wasn't an issue that comes up a ton, 1593 00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:37,040 but didn't make sense that a detached 1594 00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:39,599 deck should have the same setback 1595 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:42,640 requirements as an attached one because 1596 00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:45,599 it didn't have the fire connection uh to 1597 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:48,480 the principal structure. Main reason why 1598 00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:51,680 we wanted 1599 00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:54,240 and then uh finally we said multiple 1600 00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:57,520 references to zoning ordinance in the 1601 00:58:54,240 --> 00:59:00,000 UDC and I should have said other 1602 00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:02,559 sections of the UDC 1603 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:05,200 zoning ordinance. So that was really 1604 00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:07,839 just kind of a clean up item. So believe 1605 00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:09,520 we have uh all the major items again 1606 00:59:07,839 --> 00:59:12,319 planning commission is going to hold a a 1607 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:14,960 hearing on the the topic of solar again 1608 00:59:12,319 --> 00:59:19,119 um at their meeting on September 16th um 1609 00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:21,520 that's coming up next week. Um so that 1610 00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:25,119 will be kind of item I think of this 1611 00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:28,319 batch coming out of the uh the new UDC 1612 00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:31,119 that again was was initially the major 1613 00:59:28,319 --> 00:59:33,280 adoption was handled back in so it's 1614 00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:35,280 been working well um so far but we just 1615 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:38,400 believe that there's some good 1616 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:40,720 clarifying uh items uh that the planning 1617 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,319 commission wanted to review and did make 1618 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,480 the motion to move in front of you for 1619 00:59:42,319 --> 00:59:46,480 introduction here uh tonight at the 1620 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,640 council level 1621 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,319 » And what 1622 00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,480 issues are coming before the planning 1623 00:59:50,319 --> 00:59:56,160 commission with regards to solar. 1624 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:58,240 » Um solar specifically, I think the issue 1625 00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:01,119 was we're actually not I shouldn't just 1626 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:06,000 say solar also regarding alternative 1627 01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:08,400 energy systems. So like um windmills 1628 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:10,079 and I think specifically Sean brought up 1629 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,480 at the meeting, correct me if I'm wrong 1630 01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:12,559 Sean? 1631 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:15,040 » No, you're right. There was once uh 1632 01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:18,000 particularly a case that came up in Oro 1633 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,720 with a housemounted um wind 1634 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,720 » Turbine 1635 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:25,760 » Turbine that was noisy unsightly 1636 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:28,640 um and in state statute we can't out 1637 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:30,400 prohibit them but we can severely limit 1638 01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:32,559 where they're allowed. So that's what 1639 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:35,440 we're going to be looking at commission 1640 01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:37,200 hearings. And that was a the whole house 1641 01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:40,880 fan type of deal. 1642 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,520 » Uh just a I was rough mounted um 1643 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,760 windmill. 1644 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,319 » We had a lot of them in the city. 1645 01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,559 » What's that? 1646 01:00:44,319 --> 01:00:48,160 » We did a lot of them in the city. 1647 01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:50,079 » Yeah. And we're not saying we prohibit 1648 01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:52,480 them. We just wanted to put some some 1649 01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:54,000 guard rails up. So we we have been and 1650 01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:57,040 are continuing through this week to do 1651 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,640 research on what other cities have for 1652 01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:02,200 um regulations for them because right 1653 01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,200 now we don't have any. 1654 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:07,040 And mine was not even housebased. I 1655 01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:10,640 think the orno case was it was out in 1656 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:12,319 the backyard, but it was 30 feet high. 1657 01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,520 It was huge. So, 1658 01:01:12,319 --> 01:01:14,799 » In the farm, huh? 1659 01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,359 » Yeah. 1660 01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:17,440 » So, 1661 01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:19,599 » I'm surprised. Don't we have uh 1662 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:22,079 residents with shipping containers being 1663 01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:23,040 used right now as structures to store 1664 01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:27,599 things? 1665 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:29,440 » You know, um I hope we don't because 1666 01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:31,200 » By the ordinance, we we do not allow 1667 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,720 them. So, they have not been allowed and 1668 01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,240 we've never had anybody ask to put one 1669 01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,359 in the yard. So, if there are any, 1670 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,720 they're legally placed. 1671 01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:39,040 » They're next to the chickens. 1672 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,640 » Would people ask the coupe? 1673 01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,480 » Um, I don't know that everybody would 1674 01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:44,000 ask, but if we if we have seen one and 1675 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,040 we have not at this point, we would 1676 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,720 definitely address it. 1677 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,319 » Maybe we should drive through the alleys 1678 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,559 again. 1679 01:01:48,319 --> 01:01:52,799 » We definitely can do that. And if you 1680 01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:53,920 know of an area where we should look, be 1681 01:01:52,799 --> 01:01:56,720 happy to to hear that. 1682 01:01:53,920 --> 01:02:00,559 » No, no, no, no, [laughter] 1683 01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:02,640 » No. I think it is uh 1684 01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:04,720 I I think that's that's an area that can 1685 01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:06,960 be u 1686 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:09,520 there might be some people that have 1687 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,240 arguments about that one but 1688 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,920 » Contentious 1689 01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,920 » Some of the structures that people store 1690 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,440 stuff in 1691 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:18,440 don't look as good as the storage 1692 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,440 containers. 1693 01:02:19,438 --> 01:02:21,040 [clears throat] 1694 01:02:20,748 --> 01:02:24,799 [snorts] 1695 01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:27,119 » So any other questions? 1696 01:02:24,799 --> 01:02:29,440 If not, I guess I'll make a motion for 1697 01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:31,200 the first reading of ordinance number 1698 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,079 367. 1699 01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,319 » I'll second. 1700 01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:36,319 » We got a second by Maggie Bass. There's 1701 01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:37,280 no other questions, comments. All in 1702 01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:37,680 favor say I. 1703 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,640 » I. 1704 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,280 » I. Any opposition? Okay. Passes. 1705 01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,640 » Thank you. 1706 01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:45,680 » We don't have any ordinance for 1707 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:48,720 adoption. Next is a resolution dealing 1708 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:52,799 with officially naming 1709 01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:55,200 the area where the pops 1710 01:02:52,799 --> 01:02:58,000 stage is being built. Is that correct? 1711 01:02:55,200 --> 01:03:00,480 » Correct. Um, so I think I'd given you an 1712 01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:05,520 update maybe a month and a half ago or 1713 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:08,799 so. Um per the adopted policy for uh 1714 01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:11,280 park naming uh that we have uh council 1715 01:03:08,799 --> 01:03:13,280 adopted policy I should say had quite a 1716 01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,599 lengthy uh process that had to be 1717 01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,039 followed beginning with the um park 1718 01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:19,039 board and ultimately ending with the 1719 01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:22,720 park board [clears throat] uh to collect 1720 01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:24,240 names collect a public um comment period 1721 01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:26,799 and all the comments on the names that 1722 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:28,799 we had solicited. So, we had six names 1723 01:03:26,799 --> 01:03:31,680 initially that were um solicited. 1724 01:03:28,799 --> 01:03:35,680 Milpond Commons, Central Park, D'vorox 1725 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:38,079 Landing, Harmony Park, Milpond Park, and 1726 01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:40,160 I'm going to butcher this from Mavka 1727 01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:43,920 Park, which I believe is a park in the 1728 01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:45,760 Czech Republic um that were uh formally 1729 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,839 submitted, and we had given the council 1730 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,839 an update on those at that time. So, we 1731 01:03:47,839 --> 01:03:52,000 did have a public comment period that 1732 01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:54,400 had run for most of the summer, and that 1733 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:57,520 wrapped up on August 10th. Uh the park 1734 01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:59,280 board did review uh the names and again 1735 01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:01,520 the comments that were on all the names. 1736 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:03,760 I did include that information in the 1737 01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:06,640 packet here tonight for the city council 1738 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:09,280 to consider. Uh but ultimately the the 1739 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:12,559 park board did uh pass a recommendation 1740 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:14,720 on to the council tonight to um utilize 1741 01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:17,599 the name of Mil Pond Commons for the 1742 01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:19,920 formal name of what we've uh temporarily 1743 01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:23,039 been calling city center where the pops 1744 01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:25,520 facility is located. So, I do have a 1745 01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:28,799 resolution in the packet tonight that 1746 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:32,000 would uh establish the formal name of 1747 01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:32,240 Milon Commons for that property uh where 1748 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,079 the 1749 01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,960 » Before you go into that part, can I ask 1750 01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:35,520 a question? 1751 01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,599 » Sure. 1752 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,039 » Why did this come up? 1753 01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:40,480 » Why did it come up is because 1754 01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:41,680 » With the comments part at the end, it 1755 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,920 almost sounds like there's an apartment 1756 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:45,680 building right over there. So, that 1757 01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:49,200 actually did come up at the uh park 1758 01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:51,520 board meeting with Mil Pond Apartments. 1759 01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:56,400 And the common's idea was that it's not 1760 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:58,319 just simply a uh park, but rather a park 1761 01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,760 with the surrounding development that 1762 01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:01,920 has not yet occurred on the north end of 1763 01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:04,799 the property with the council and the 1764 01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:06,640 concept plan and um all of that small 1765 01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:08,240 area planning that uh the park board and 1766 01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:10,240 the council did a few years back with 1767 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:13,599 the comp plan that there could be future 1768 01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:16,240 development both north of Pops as well 1769 01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:19,119 as on the u adjacent to the railroad 1770 01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,920 tracks on the west side of u the gravel. 1771 01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:22,160 Third Avenue. 1772 01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,359 » Well, almost definitely the north north 1773 01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,559 end there is going to have to get 1774 01:05:23,359 --> 01:05:27,200 rebuilt up. Yep. 1775 01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:28,480 » I'm just saying that we could sell it 1776 01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,000 and everything like that and they could 1777 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,280 put something anywhere they want there, 1778 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,000 but 1779 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:37,039 » We would be changing the name sooner or 1780 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:39,920 later from Commons to something else. 1781 01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:41,520 » Yeah. And I I I think the the general 1782 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,200 consensus and again with the public 1783 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,559 comment was the Milon Commons. 1784 01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:49,520 Obviously, one of the other ones was 1785 01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:52,640 Milpond Park. So it wasn't a huge, 1786 01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:55,520 you know, outpouring of park versus 1787 01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:57,520 commons. Commons just had more comment 1788 01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,039 in the affirmative for that. And maybe 1789 01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,319 Maggie can shed some more light on 1790 01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:01,520 » It. Sounds like it was pretty common to 1791 01:06:00,319 --> 01:06:04,079 have a common. 1792 01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:07,359 » Yeah, Commons, I think, is is also known 1793 01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:10,240 as a gathering place. So, because I 1794 01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:12,960 think of the pops stadium, the storm 1795 01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:15,200 water pond, maybe a 1796 01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:17,200 a trail, and you know, some other 1797 01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:20,880 amenities. It's a place for people to 1798 01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:22,079 gather. So, it's just a a different use 1799 01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,079 of verbiage. 1800 01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:25,599 » I think you see it actually on you go 1801 01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:27,680 south of the border down to Mexico. When 1802 01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:29,760 you think like traditional 1803 01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:31,839 Mexican towns, a lot of have that common 1804 01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,760 square right in the middle, right? 1805 01:06:31,839 --> 01:06:35,520 Commons. Yeah. In this instance, I think 1806 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:38,799 common is referring more to the public 1807 01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:39,680 gathering place open to everybody, 1808 01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:42,640 but 1809 01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:45,280 » I think park will kind of screw that 1810 01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:46,640 you're going to have park playground 1811 01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,760 equipment type there 1812 01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,960 » And I don't think 1813 01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,280 » There there may be but 1814 01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:54,480 » Maybe at some time but I don't think 1815 01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:56,799 that I mean growing up in New Prague 1816 01:06:54,480 --> 01:07:00,799 that was always the mill pond area 1817 01:06:56,799 --> 01:07:04,880 » Even when there was no pond but 1818 01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:07,119 I mean I'm you I think that's a a very 1819 01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,400 good option for a name. Um because we 1820 01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:10,880 are going to have kind some kind of a 1821 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,839 pond, aren't we? A holding pond of some 1822 01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:15,760 sort on that end. 1823 01:07:11,839 --> 01:07:17,520 » We still hope that 1824 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,160 » Are your buddies at deed having fun with 1825 01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:18,880 you or 1826 01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,039 » We're getting there. 1827 01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:23,359 » We're feel like we're this close. 1828 01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:24,960 » Yeah, we're this close in May. 1829 01:07:23,359 --> 01:07:26,319 » Isn't that the feeling Yeah. you had in 1830 01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,359 May? The same feeling. 1831 01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:28,601 » Every month we have 1832 01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:31,359 » We're not getting any farther away. 1833 01:07:28,601 --> 01:07:32,720 [laughter] We actually Yeah. 1834 01:07:31,359 --> 01:07:36,839 Well, now if we got a name, tell them, 1835 01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:36,839 "Hey, you got to put the pond there." 1836 01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,720 » Any other comments? 1837 01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:49,760 » Okay. If not, I guess I'll look for a 1838 01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:52,760 motion to approve resol resolution 1839 01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,760 CC-26-9-08-02. 1840 01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:57,119 » So moved. 1841 01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:58,160 » Officially naming mil pond comments. And 1842 01:07:57,119 --> 01:08:01,200 I got them 1843 01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:02,400 » A motion by Maggie Bass. 1844 01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:04,960 » I'll second it. 1845 01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:07,520 » Second by Rick Syler. If there's no 1846 01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,079 other comments, all in favor say I. 1847 01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,720 » I. 1848 01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:12,240 » Any opposition? All right, that's fair. 1849 01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,039 » I bet you we have to change that one of 1850 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:15,760 these days. 1851 01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:18,319 » Well, go through the process again. 1852 01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:19,359 » There you go. Uh, there's no general 1853 01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:20,880 business. So, we're now at the 1854 01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:21,359 miscellaneous. Rick, do you have 1855 01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:22,159 anything? 1856 01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:23,600 » No. 1857 01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:25,040 » Bruce? 1858 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,640 » No. 1859 01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,520 » Maggie? No. 1860 01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,000 » Sean. 1861 01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:34,239 » Um, just a question for Tim. Do we got 1862 01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:38,080 an open house date yet set? 1863 01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:41,719 » We are looking at 1864 01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,719 Give me one second. 1865 01:08:42,799 --> 01:08:45,279 October the 24th. 1866 01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:48,480 » Okay, great. 1867 01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:50,640 » So, we're doing our uh 1868 01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:51,120 we do our carving with the cops event. 1869 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:54,239 » Oh. 1870 01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:56,799 » So, kind of jointly do that at the same 1871 01:08:54,239 --> 01:08:59,359 time. Perfect. Sounds great. Thank you. 1872 01:08:56,799 --> 01:09:01,600 » Yep. Well, we were just uh working on 1873 01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:03,120 the flyers today, so hopefully it'll be 1874 01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,640 out here by the end of the week. We can 1875 01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,400 start putting that out there. 1876 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,120 » Okay, good. Thank you. That was it. 1877 01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,719 » No, that was it. 1878 01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:12,480 » Sean or Josh? 1879 01:09:08,719 --> 01:09:15,120 » Uh yes, real quick. Um, I had a talk 1880 01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:17,520 with the fire chief uh about their 1881 01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:19,199 pension fund and due to some wise 1882 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:21,679 investments that fund has continued to 1883 01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:23,359 grow and so he wanted to sit down and 1884 01:09:21,679 --> 01:09:24,960 have a kind of a discussion to see if 1885 01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:26,880 there was possibility maybe of using 1886 01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,319 some of that funds. As you guys may 1887 01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,759 remember, the only way we can use that 1888 01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:32,080 funds is by disseminating it to 1889 01:09:29,759 --> 01:09:34,239 firefighters. So, I know in the past 1890 01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:35,759 generally the council has selected kind 1891 01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:38,319 of a subcommittee of two people and 1892 01:09:35,759 --> 01:09:40,239 myself to sit down um with the rural 1893 01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:42,000 board as well as um kind of the fire 1894 01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:43,120 board and kind of talk through that and 1895 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,199 then bring back any sort of 1896 01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,319 recommendation to the council. And so 1897 01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:47,839 I'm just kind of wondering if the 1898 01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:51,359 council wants to go through that process 1899 01:09:47,839 --> 01:09:54,000 again. Um I think the last couple times 1900 01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:56,800 we've done it, it was the mayor and 1901 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:58,000 Sean, wasn't it? And three of us. But um 1902 01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,360 just wanted to check with the council if 1903 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:03,280 that's kind of process we wanted to go 1904 01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:04,800 through again. Um let me just uh trying 1905 01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:07,360 to understand how that works again. Is 1906 01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,480 that just transferring money into their 1907 01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,800 pension program? 1908 01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:12,960 » Yeah. So the way that works is cities do 1909 01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:16,080 it a few different ways. What we do is 1910 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:18,080 we receive a fund. We receive basically 1911 01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:19,840 an amount from the state every year and 1912 01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,120 we as a city just act as a pass through 1913 01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:24,159 them to move that over into their 1914 01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:27,520 pension fund. And then when they leave 1915 01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:28,719 the uh service, whether it's like retire 1916 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,960 or slightly early, I don't know the 1917 01:10:28,719 --> 01:10:34,320 exact payout schedules of it, they would 1918 01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:36,320 get a portion for serving within um the 1919 01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:38,239 fire department. And so a lot of times 1920 01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:40,320 when they retire with 20 years and their 1921 01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:43,600 full pension, they would then take a 1922 01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:45,920 lump sum of that. And so generally as we 1923 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:49,840 um review this and part of it I think 1924 01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:52,239 they um we use uh 1925 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:55,040 Shannon Brouso kind of looks over that 1926 01:10:52,239 --> 01:10:57,360 fund for them we make sure that that 1927 01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:59,520 fund can [snorts] hold or pay out 1928 01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:02,320 basically all of its current debts and 1929 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,600 if for some reason that drops below 90% 1930 01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,880 which I believe it's happened once 1931 01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,679 hasn't it Sean were you hearing that 1932 01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,440 happen the first time 1933 01:11:05,679 --> 01:11:09,040 » And Chuck there was one time 1934 01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:13,600 » Um the city basically has to come up 1935 01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:15,280 with funds to catch up to that now 1936 01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:18,400 last couple times that fund is hitting 1937 01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:20,560 around 115% of being covered and the 1938 01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,840 city said okay there's only one thing we 1939 01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,920 can do with this it's not like we can 1940 01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:25,360 recoup it for ourselves like it goes out 1941 01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,600 to pay out these funds and so we said 1942 01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:29,840 okay we're going to up the amount of 1943 01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,400 retirement for the annual years of 1944 01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,719 service 1945 01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:34,719 » So what they're asking is if they can 1946 01:11:32,719 --> 01:11:36,400 increase our pension benefits 1947 01:11:34,719 --> 01:11:38,159 » Yep so right now they're saying our our 1948 01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:39,840 current fund balance is sitting at 1949 01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:41,920 whatever it is I I don't know the exact 1950 01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,440 number is there something we could do to 1951 01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,199 look at increasing the pension fund 1952 01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:45,840 benefits to use some of that fund 1953 01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:48,800 balance. 1954 01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:50,159 » Okay. So then and I'm not trying to make 1955 01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,760 a statement here or anything but just so 1956 01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:54,080 I understand the financial part of it. 1957 01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:55,600 So if we do that increase their benefits 1958 01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,280 then there's a greater risk that we 1959 01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,800 might fall short in the future. 1960 01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,480 » That is correct. That risk exists. I 1961 01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,679 know was it a couple years ago we 1962 01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:03,040 started putting away a little bit of 1963 01:12:01,679 --> 01:12:05,040 money at the end of each year when we 1964 01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:07,760 had revenue surpluses just to kind of 1965 01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:10,000 hold as a just in case too for that. But 1966 01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:11,760 yes, obviously as their benefit 1967 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,760 increases, it does increase that risk, 1968 01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:16,000 which is why we then look at it and say, 1969 01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:18,480 "Okay, where is it sitting? What would 1970 01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:20,400 the market have to adjust to potentially 1971 01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:22,320 put us into that default risk?" That's 1972 01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,440 » So there's no automatic increase in 1973 01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:23,920 benefits each year. 1974 01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:24,640 » Correct. 1975 01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,239 » Is nothing. 1976 01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,520 » That is correct. 1977 01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:28,960 » Okay. So 1978 01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,880 » Yeah. Yeah. They basically get a benefit 1979 01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:33,360 based off of years of service and what 1980 01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:36,000 we have set the annual benefit at. And 1981 01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:37,199 often it goes two or three years before 1982 01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,120 we ever changing 1983 01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:40,560 » Without anything changing. So 1984 01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,920 » When was the last time we changed it? 1985 01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:44,400 Was it two years ago? Probably. 1986 01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:46,400 » I was going to say I I thought two, but 1987 01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,880 uh it could be as soon as or maybe it 1988 01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,560 was last year. 1989 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:51,679 » It wasn't like No, because I mean Chuck 1990 01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:52,800 wasn't here. It was back when was so I 1991 01:12:51,679 --> 01:12:55,040 think it was two years ago. 1992 01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:57,280 » Okay. 1993 01:12:55,040 --> 01:13:00,400 » Yeah. I'd be in favor of changing it. 1994 01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:02,159 » Yeah. and not doing it dramatically, but 1995 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:05,360 » And I think that you usually we change 1996 01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:07,360 if we go from like 3,000 to 3,300 or 1997 01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:09,360 like I said, I know we last few years we 1998 01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:11,679 put that analysis into it of okay, if we 1999 01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:13,920 do this, where does that put our fund 2000 01:13:11,679 --> 01:13:15,679 balance and what are our liabilities and 2001 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:18,640 what would that market likely have to 2002 01:13:15,679 --> 01:13:20,560 change to affect and really affect the 2003 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:22,239 city because at this point the city 2004 01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:25,199 doesn't put anything into that 2005 01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:26,960 » Where I know some budgeted to put 2006 01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:29,440 something in it. We started a few years 2007 01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:32,239 ago when it was fluctuating quite a bit 2008 01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:32,960 that we just to cover so we didn't have 2009 01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:35,360 some un 2010 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:37,840 » So do you have it in this budget? 2011 01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:39,280 » Uh no. So yes. Yeah. So we have an so 2012 01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,719 yeah we've taken we get to the end of 2013 01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:43,120 the year and say oh we've got these 2014 01:13:40,719 --> 01:13:44,640 excess revenues from the year like and 2015 01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:46,080 we talk to the auditors and they tell us 2016 01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,000 a little bit of fund balance like that's 2017 01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:49,679 where we we designate some of that fund 2018 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,199 balance just to set aside kind of like 2019 01:13:49,679 --> 01:13:52,000 we've also done for the aquatic center 2020 01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:54,000 in case for some reason. 2021 01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:56,239 » Right. But I thought for a few years we 2022 01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:58,080 actually budgeted an expense 2023 01:13:56,239 --> 01:13:58,640 » Just so we wouldn't have some huge swing 2024 01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:59,600 just in case. 2025 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,719 » We don't do that anymore. 2026 01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,199 » We don't do that anymore. 2027 01:14:00,719 --> 01:14:04,199 » Okay. 2028 01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:04,199 » Okay. 2029 01:14:04,719 --> 01:14:08,400 » I think that housing I think if I 2030 01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,920 remember right it was like 60some 2031 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:12,320 thousand that the city had to come up 2032 01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,800 with one time before you and I were on. 2033 01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,880 » Yeah. 2034 01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,280 » But during like the housing crisis when 2035 01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,440 everything 2036 01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:19,600 » Right end of 2008 2037 01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:22,719 » Or something. Yeah. There's only been 2038 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:23,360 one year I think. 2039 01:14:22,719 --> 01:14:25,040 Yeah, I guess 2040 01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,080 » So. Oh, yeah. So, I guess would you 2041 01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,440 sorry the whole point of that 2042 01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,800 conversation, would you guys like to 2043 01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:30,719 kind of do that whole subcommittee thing 2044 01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:32,960 like we've done before? Like I said, I 2045 01:14:30,719 --> 01:14:34,159 know Sean sat on the last few ones at 2046 01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,360 least and has been the mayor, but if 2047 01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:36,560 you'd like a different makeup, we can 2048 01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,600 certainly do that, too. It's up to you 2049 01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,040 guys. 2050 01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,400 » I'd be happy to do it, but if somebody 2051 01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:42,480 else wants to do it, that's 2052 01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,760 » Happy to do it, too. If it's fine. 2053 01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:45,920 » It's just an hourlong meeting. 2054 01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,040 » I'd be happy for you guys to do it. 2055 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,080 Well, then [laughter] 2056 01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,840 » And I I I guess if that's 2057 01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,840 » Second motion, 2058 01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:53,199 » If that's the case, I know some dates I 2059 01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:57,199 got kind of right off hand that would 2060 01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:59,040 work if kind of the 22nd, 24th, or 17th. 2061 01:14:57,199 --> 01:15:02,239 I guess I put those in the wrong order. 2062 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:04,080 17th, 22nd, or 24th work here this month 2063 01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:07,199 at like six o'clock. So, I think it's a 2064 01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:10,320 Thursday, Tuesday, Thursday. 2065 01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:11,520 Be next Thursday or after that, Tuesday 2066 01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:13,120 or Thursday? 2067 01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:15,040 » I think Thursday probably works a little 2068 01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:16,640 better for me. I don't have my I left my 2069 01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:18,239 phone in my car so I don't 2070 01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,199 » So if I call you tomorrow Yeah. 2071 01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:19,920 » Just kind of confirm that. 2072 01:15:19,199 --> 01:15:21,440 » Sure. Okay. 2073 01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,520 » Yeah, that's fine. 2074 01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:23,920 » Oh, wait. You have golf on Thursday. 2075 01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,440 » Uh 2076 01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:29,679 » I can do Tuesday. 2077 01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:30,560 » The 17th is our last golf meet. League 2078 01:15:29,679 --> 01:15:32,719 meet day. 2079 01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:34,080 » League? Not your last golf day? 2080 01:15:32,719 --> 01:15:35,520 » Well, no, but 2081 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,719 » Okay. I'll I'll call you guys tomorrow 2082 01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,199 and see if I can confirm something on 2083 01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:38,480 that. 2084 01:15:37,199 --> 01:15:39,280 » Okay. Anything else? 2085 01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:42,239 » That's all I had. 2086 01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:45,239 » Ken, do you have anything? Robin, 2087 01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:45,239 Kim, 2088 01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:53,440 » I did want to share a little 2089 01:15:51,199 --> 01:15:55,520 information. Um, well, I feel like 2090 01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:57,360 there's so much 2091 01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:59,360 negative 2092 01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:01,040 stuff in the world, social media, 2093 01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:02,960 newspaper, everything. I wanted to share 2094 01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:05,679 a little bit of positive stuff about the 2095 01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:06,640 our community. Um, the last three weeks, 2096 01:16:05,679 --> 01:16:08,159 uh, hopefully I'm not stealing your 2097 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:10,880 thunder, Chuck, but the last three 2098 01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:13,679 weeks, uh, New Prague held the state 2099 01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:15,760 amateur baseball tournament. Um, while I 2100 01:16:13,679 --> 01:16:17,679 made, uh, while I was there a lot, I 2101 01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:20,320 only made one game, but it I couldn't be 2102 01:16:17,679 --> 01:16:22,080 more impressed with this community. Um, 2103 01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:24,080 there is talking to Nick Shenker, he was 2104 01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:26,159 one of the one of the main guys that 2105 01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,920 helped get that tournament here, 2106 01:16:26,159 --> 01:16:29,679 including many. Uh Chuck was part of 2107 01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:32,640 that board and everything, but um 2108 01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:34,719 there's 29,000 people that attended uh 2109 01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:36,640 all the games through four uh four 2110 01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:38,640 venues, three main venues with the 2111 01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:42,560 fourth one. Uh New Prague had the 2112 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:45,199 highest attendance at uh over 9,313 paid 2113 01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:47,280 attendance. Um 2114 01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:49,199 these events do not take place without 2115 01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,880 hundreds and hundreds of volunteers 2116 01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:52,480 throughout the three weeks. And I'm not 2117 01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:56,480 joking. It's hundreds and hundreds of 2118 01:16:52,480 --> 01:16:58,239 people that uh volunteer their time. Um, 2119 01:16:56,480 --> 01:17:00,320 city staff spends a lot of time on that 2120 01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:02,640 field. We are extremely proud of that 2121 01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:05,120 field. Uh, the big renovations that took 2122 01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:06,719 place 10 years ago. We were so excited 2123 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,719 when we see all these people come into 2124 01:17:06,719 --> 01:17:10,560 our community to get to see our field. 2125 01:17:08,719 --> 01:17:12,480 Um, I heard nothing but great 2126 01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:14,320 compliments of how great the field 2127 01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:16,880 conditions were, how great this 2128 01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:19,520 community is, and how do you get so many 2129 01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:22,640 volunteers that are all happy just 2130 01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:26,239 willing to help and uh just make it a 2131 01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:28,560 better event. Um, I just I really cannot 2132 01:17:26,239 --> 01:17:30,000 express how excited I was. Someone 2133 01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:32,080 that's born and raised in New Prague, 2134 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,840 New Prague means the world to me. Um, 2135 01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:36,800 just seeing everybody come together and 2136 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:39,440 make this vent, this event, I would 2137 01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:41,199 argue one of the best events. Um, I 2138 01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:43,040 think a lot of the people I talked to 2139 01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:44,320 would say the same thing. So, one, I 2140 01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:46,800 want to thank all those people that did 2141 01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:48,320 that uh, volunteer their time. I want to 2142 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:51,840 thank my staff for all the time they put 2143 01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:53,920 into that field. Um, 2144 01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,600 a lot of time, a lot of money has 2145 01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:58,719 obviously been put into that field. Uh, 2146 01:17:55,600 --> 01:18:01,760 a lot of money that, uh, this tournament 2147 01:17:58,719 --> 01:18:03,920 raises to put back into that field. Um, 2148 01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,920 really every dollar they make goes back 2149 01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:08,000 into that field and it gets lets us do a 2150 01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:09,920 lot of the projects we've done. So, I 2151 01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:12,960 really just want to thank everybody in 2152 01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:16,320 the community, staff. Um, it was an 2153 01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:18,320 amazing event. and uh coming down hole 2154 01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,520 18 on Sunday when the class B tournament 2155 01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,960 was. I thought they were all cheering 2156 01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:23,120 for me, but then I realized they 2157 01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:24,400 weren't. Um but it was really 2158 01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:26,960 impressive. That's all I wanted to say. 2159 01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:29,520 Thank you uh to Chuck, everybody that 2160 01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:31,199 volunteered, if any of you guys did. Um 2161 01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,880 it was I know I'm rambling on, but it 2162 01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:33,840 was a very special event. So, I just 2163 01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,840 wanted to say that. 2164 01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,440 » And we all thank you guys because I 2165 01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,640 heard that you did a lot of work on this 2166 01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:41,360 too, Chuck. So, 2167 01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:44,400 » Yeah. No, I to reiterate that. I mean, I 2168 01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:46,960 think we had a lot of positive feedback 2169 01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:49,440 from people who've never heard of New 2170 01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:51,520 Prague, uh, because we had a lot of 2171 01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:54,080 class C games, which they came two or 2172 01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:57,440 three hours, they drove like a New York 2173 01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:58,880 Mills and and, uh, Buffington and all 2174 01:18:57,440 --> 01:19:01,760 this stuff and they come in and they 2175 01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:04,239 were not only impressed with the ball 2176 01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:07,679 field, but the community as a whole. And 2177 01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:10,960 uh I I think it really showcases that we 2178 01:19:07,679 --> 01:19:13,040 uh are doing the right things in this 2179 01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:15,920 community and uh we got great workers. 2180 01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:17,840 Matt, your people did a great job and 2181 01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:21,199 the board was impressed. I know we did 2182 01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:24,320 it in 2018, we broke a record also and 2183 01:19:21,199 --> 01:19:26,159 this record that we broke uh stood since 2184 01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:28,480 1961. 2185 01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:30,800 So uh we got to be very proud of of what 2186 01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:33,280 we did. And you are right. Uh the 2187 01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:35,760 volunteers and there's people Johnny was 2188 01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:37,440 there two or three times and and other 2189 01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:39,120 people that you know they they would 2190 01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:40,880 look on sign up genius and they they 2191 01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:42,320 didn't care if they were there six 2192 01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:44,640 hours. They would sign up for different 2193 01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:48,320 shifts if there was gaps in it and we're 2194 01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:51,520 very fortunate to that. So 2195 01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:54,320 all right Mitch, you got anything? 2196 01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:56,000 Patrick? 2197 01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:59,040 I don't have anything. So I guess I'll 2198 01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:01,520 make a motion to adjurnn. 2199 01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,520 Second.