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Okay. Welcome, everyone, to a special meeting with Town Board of the Town of Scotland. We're going to get a little procedural thing for first on the agenda, and then we'll move right into Nance, open very presentation of the Natural Resource Inventory. So, we'll go to the pledge tonight, but we'll jump right into the orders given on the public hearing for the Federal Board of District Extension report. Michael, do you want to say anything?

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Oh, yes, this is just a we've received the petition requesting extension of the water district for a single family residence that requires the extension of the water main and this will include a 17 acre parcel in the district.

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the entire parcel is 26.6 acres, but the property that's 8 acres on the east side of

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Fock Grove will not be included in the district. So what we want to do is just set this up for

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public hearing. No decisions will be made. Now we have to set it up for public hearing and you'd

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I want to set that on for May 8th and I would suggest at 6.15 we have another hearing just

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like this for a Eldervale Water District extension that will be the same night and then those

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can move along at the same time.

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So I'll just get started by saying now I would move that the town board of the town of this

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meet at the town hall of 2029, 2029,

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New Scotland, Rosalind, New York.

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On the eighth day of May, 2024,

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to consider a set petition and hear all persons

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interested in subject thereof.

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And further, it is hereby further ordered

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that the public hearing be held at New Scotland town hall

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on May 8, 2024 at 6.15 p.m.,

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to consider set proposal and to hear all persons interested

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in the subject concerning the same.

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And I just further resolved with the town

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quote is here by authorize and directed to publish a notice of said hearing in the town in the

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official town newspaper and the post of copy the same on the signboard and website of the town

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and time in the time and manner required by law. I do have a second. Second questions or comments?

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We can move right to what we all anticipated for tonight.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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Thanks.

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It's not moving forward.

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There we go.

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Okay.

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Sorry.

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Time out.

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Yeah.

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Michael.

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This is for roll call vote.

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And see the.

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So you can just do that if you want.

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Go ahead.

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Okay.

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Back to our.

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Same motion.

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Second.

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Second.

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Supervisor Grant votes.

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Yes.

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Member.

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Member Greenberg.

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Member Burke.

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Yes.

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Number lining.

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Yes.

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Okay. Thank you.

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Sorry about that.

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That's okay.

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Take two.

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Before we get started, I did want to recognize the NRI Advisory Committee.

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First of all, my team partner, RIPMeter of Barnes, and to recognize the Advisory Committee

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members, Chris Galvin, Ed Horn, Karen Prozi sent in email and she goes unable to attend

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tonight and Adam Bieber.

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So, and then our, we can see representatives and editor from DEC, Christine Vanderland.

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So they put in an incredible amount of time reading and editing and carefully helping

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us get all of this information right, so they really appreciate all the time everybody

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has put into this.

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So what we're going to do tonight is we're going to cover what is an NRI, which stands for

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our National Resource Inventory in how we hope it will be used in the town.

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I'm going to give an overview of the various components of the NRI.

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Rick's going to talk about and show you the maps.

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So we have kind of static maps that are, you know, on paper or online, you know, just as

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a static.

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And then we have developed an online app so that hopefully Jeremy and the Plain Board can

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and use those on a parcel-by-parcel-basal basis

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to learn more information.

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And then we'll see where your questions want to go.

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So, I wanted to mention that the project

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is funded in part through a grant from GEC.

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I don't know, Christine, did you want to say anything

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about that program at all or funding?

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um, just that it's found the Hudson River Estuary Program and the money for that

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on this problem here at State Byron, which I've been buying. Well, it's great. So we kind of

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had gotten a slower start on the project. I think we had written the grant a couple years ago

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and it took a while to get things going for a ride of reasons but we've been working diligently

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on it. And our project is really a two-part project. So the first half of the project is the

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natural resource inventory. And the second part of the project is to take what we've learned

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in the natural resource inventory and do an open space plan for the town. So we'll talk about that

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in a little bit at the end of what our steps are and what that will look like. So a natural resource

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inventory is just what it says. It's an inventory. It's a conservation tool that presents as much

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information about the natural resources in town as we could possibly find and get to you.

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It's not a local law. It's not even really a plan. It's not like a conference plan or open space plan.

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And it's really enlisting all of the natural resource information we have along with maps

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that should own what kind of resources they are, where they're found, what things are

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significant about those resources.

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With summaries, if you remember several years ago, DEC developed a habitat summary for the

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town, which I think probably most of you have seen, we have incorporated all of that specific

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information into the NRI. And so the NRI itself encompasses 27 maps, 27 maps, a very detailed

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report that I don't know, it was 150 pages, I forget how many pages it was, but it's quite detailed.

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And then the online app, which I think in the end will, I think I suspect will be the most useful

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part for the day-to-day working with this information is because it's all then online and

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easily accessible so you don't have to look through of printed materials. Although

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all the background is available in the actual text. So why do we do in a natural resource

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inventory? And I think they're super important because it's the one place that we can put all

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of that information together. There's a lot of information out there now. We have DBC information

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that is like the resource mapper. We have the Hudson River Estuary resource mapper. There's

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county information. There's other town maps that we've done. There's information through the

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nature conservancy and all these other places. Mohawk Hudson land conservancy. So all of these

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different organizations have data, but they're all in different places. And so this is an opportunity

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to bring it all together into an organized document

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and set of resources for you.

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And the purpose of having this inventory

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is to give you guys information

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that you can make your planning decisions based on.

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So the plan, we hope it'll be important to the plan board

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when something comes to the plan board.

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You can look at the maps or open the online app

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to learn about the resources that are mapped on that project.

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building the department hopefully will, you know, look at these as your reviewing projects that come in.

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So it should be, we hope it will be used to understand really the wealth of environmental resources that you have in town.

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I think when you see all of these 27 maps, one after another, you get a whole picture of the town.

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Rather than, oh, we have wetlands, and we have streams.

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Oh, and some parts of the town has caves.

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But now you can see it go from physical resources,

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resources such as tomography and steep slope,

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all the way through what the ecological resources are

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and see the interconnectedness between all of those things,

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which I think is really an important part

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in the decision-making that we do in planning

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when it relates to the environment.

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Ultimately, I hope this will be a tool to help New Scotland be resilient and sustainable

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and have a high quality environment and maintain the things that in your if you go back to

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your conference plan and you look at your vision and your goals to talk about a quality environment

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and how much how important that is to the quality of life in the town. This is going to give you the

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information to maintain those things and it is, we look at it as a companion to the town

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conference of plan and certainly not in addition there's, it grows from the conference of

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plan so you'll see some of the resources in the conference of plan are detailed further

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in the NRI and so who uses an NRI? Well first of all everyone we want to make it available

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or at any one in town or outside of the town to be able to use.

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So that's why it's really important to have it on the town website.

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Have the online app available for people to open it up and use it in an easy way.

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Have the document available so people can download it and look at it and read it.

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But we hope that when there are things that come up in front of the town board

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that you that have some relationship to something on the ground, natural resources, that you will look at the NRI to support or somehow influence, you know, your decision-making so you have informed decision-making on that.

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But certainly the plane board and their secret reviews, the ZBA and their work and Jeremy, you know, I know that you look at all these maps in other ways.

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So I think that will be, we hope it'll be a useful kind of day to day tool for everybody, making available certainly the county and regional thing.

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And I don't know if you know if any other town in Albany County has an MRI.

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don't know. I will have to look, I don't know.

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Yeah, so it could be an older one from the town, like,

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Gilderland, or, you know,

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I don't know anything.

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I kind of like, yeah, I don't remember.

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Anyway, it's a lot of it.

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Yeah, building has their right.

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For resources.

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I don't know if it's.

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We're cutting edge down.

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I don't know if there's is captured in an NRI.

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it might just be they had information. But we also hope that landowners will be interested in

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this. They can learn more about their property and what the resources are on their property,

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and that we hope that they'll be interested in learning more. It could be useful when people are

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thinking of selling their property or buying property to understand the natural resources.

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So, it's ultimately a reference document, it can be used as a screening tool, like when

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the plane board gets a subdivision or some sort of application in, you get part one filled

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out by the applicant, it can, especially with an online app, it can easily be used as a

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screening tool to look through very simply that parcel and what those resources on that parcel

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are. So we think it will be very helpful in environmental reviews. You know, it's kind

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of a slice in time. Some things don't change very much like soils, you know, and some

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of those, you know, topography unless we have, you know, giant earthquakes or something, not

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much of some of those is changing. But some of the layers that you'll see in the maps,

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you know, streams do move and try to think of some of the maps that will change.

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And I don't even have a tap now.

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The half of the taps, right.

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So they're protected areas.

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The protected area is right.

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It says there will be some things that will change.

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One on recommendations that will be making in the second half of our project,

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which is the open space plan is to make sure the town board keeps this up up to date

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and so that it remains up to date and valid tool for you.

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So right now it's current conditions and kind of a slice in time for the resources

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as they are right now.

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And like I said, we hope that it will inform the Open Space Plan.

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Well, we're going to use all of this information to then look at it as a whole

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and identify sensitive locations, significant habitat places that we should play

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and plan for and let many more and other people in the town know that these are resources

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resources we want to preserve or conserve or somehow be sensitive to. So I think it has a lot

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of applications. So the way the NRIs organize is into different major chapters starting with an

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introduction that goes over the basic what is an NRI and how do we use it similar to what we just

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talked about. And then it goes.

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This is through from kind of physical environmental resources through ecological resources. So we start with the physical setting in geology that's to poverty, slopes, soils, and things like that. Then we get into the water resources, which are streams, wetlands, watersheds, I don't have to look the whole list, but there's so all of our surface and groundwater resources.

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Our biological resources are things like our significant habitat areas, our forest, forest

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linkage, and matrix forest areas, looking at species that are here, both kind of run

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the mill species as well as species that have specific needs or are at specific locations

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in the town to cultural resources, such as historic resources, agricultural resources,

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zoning, and things that are human, kind of the human scale of things.

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We have, in this particular NRI, maybe a little shortened version of the threats to the resources

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because we have the open space plan that's going to be coming next. In other NRIs that Rick and I

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done, the threats to the resources, when there's nothing else, that becomes a

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even more important chapter, but we touch on the threats and resources, but don't

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really elaborate a lot on them because that's we kind of winnage the the

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planning end of things. And then there's a listing of conservation

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partners. There's a lot of conservation partners that can participate in

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and help the town through whatever might be coming up,

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planning related or global law related

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to offer information and other expertise

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on these natural resources.

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So then that's kind of the broad overview of it.

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And then within each chapter,

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they're all kind of set up the same way.

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So each chapter is presented at first

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with a key concept. So if you wanted to speed read through the NRI, you can read the first page

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of every chapter and understand basically what is covered in that chapter. So it'll be a definition

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of, you know, wire-steep slopes important and why are we looking at them in a little kind of highlighted

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paragraph. So there's a lot of text in it and we realize that not everyone is going to read the

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whole text. So we have these kind of key concepts in summary at the beginning of each chapter

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to help folks, you know, get a feel for what each chapter is talking about. That is then

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followed by a lot of detail that it describes exactly what's on the map where the data from

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the map came from water-significant features and provide specific details on what you're looking at.

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So the map and the text go hand in hand. So if you look at the map and you say,

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gee, I don't understand what such and such on the map means, you can find it in the text where it

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will say, oh, this is what an unconfined aquifer means and then you look at the map to see where they are.

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So, and I think that will become clear when we go over the actual maps.

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Did you want to, sorry, this one or the next one?

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Okay, well, so the mapping, which is like really, the text is great, and it's like,

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chock full of really terrific information I think.

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But the maps are the heart of the NRI, and Rigvid, as always, a fantastic job in showing these

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resources in a way that will help people really understand the environmental resources of the town in

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these great maps. He used a geographic information system to take each piece of information that's on

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the map as a layer. And so some maps have several layers of information on one map. And then when we do

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get to the open space meeting and be looking at all of the layers and I'm using all of the layers,

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and all of that data to help identify sensitive locations. So we have a map for each resource,

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so there's 27 maps, but there's multiple resources on each of those maps. So there's way more than

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27 things that we're looking at in the NRI. And I said the maps were updated with terrific input

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from folks and Ed did, you know, an amazing job of pouring through every

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minute detail of the maps and Chris with all of the editing and the text.

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So that was really great and a lot of, you know, that was in a lot of efforts

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that was put into making it wear as that today, I think. And we're going to be

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continuing with that committee. We hope everyone will still agree to follow

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through with us for the open space planning part of it. We'd love to. Yeah. So before we get into

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the maps, is there any questions on like how we got here, why we're doing this, what it means?

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You mentioned it's important to keep this updated.

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Other than, you know,

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all outputs and coming in and buying a piece of property or maybe some zoning done, what's

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the best way to follow that and make sure we update it?

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Well, I mean, you can choose to update it regularly, or you can choose to update that cycle

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like every five years, can that's what DZ is recommended for NRI updates by over 10?

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I think it depends on the community context and how fast things might be changing.

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So, if you're seeing a lot of development, you might want to update it more often.

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And if you're not seeing a lot of change in the community, then you can let it be applied

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for a while.

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So a lot of the resources may stay the same, but the parcel data behind those resources could

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change.

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You know, with the more subdivision you get, those bets where there could be quite a few

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You change so like your steam slopes aren't going to go anywhere, but parcels that you

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want to look at might change as you have subdivision activities.

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But I think that's something the board should think about over time is we don't want this

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to be, even though it's not on the shelf anymore, we don't want it to be a sit on the shelf kind

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of thing.

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We want it to be used.

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And so that's why keeping it up to date on some sort of, keep it on the back of people

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head so they maintain it will maintain its advantages for the time.

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So I guess one of the triggers that would,

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I mean you mentioned a development.

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Well done.

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I think one of the most important ones coming up and I don't know how, if you're telling

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what the EC mapping is, the DC update of the freshwater welllands, which I think is coming

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out in the fall or something from quite now mapping that they're doing with the LiDAR

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and you know, and that's going to pick up the smaller, you know, wetlands that haven't

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shown up already, then it's going to get the smaller ones and burn all pools, which is the big

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factor of coming in. And, you know, I think that's a clearly the most important thing to, you know,

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put into this as soon as, you know, whatever it becomes available. And I don't know what the mechanism

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for that is. Another piece of information that's Matt can hear are all the road stream closings.

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We can have culverts and bridges and some of them are impediments to migration of

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British and other amphibians and things and their active programs at DEC to provide grants

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to help improve that.

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There's also interest in the travel limited in developing priorities for that kind of activity

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the working with thyroid department.

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The thyroid department is constantly

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having to deal with this and looking at the culverts

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that are on risk as well as environments

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to natural resources to that and to fit us in that figure.

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So this is something that could change over time

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and also be useful for the thyroid department

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to monitor where to direct their activities.

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and you mentioned that you looked at a whole bunch of maps and other resources. I'm imagining

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that you list those out in the document. Yes. Do any of them have subscriptions so that, like,

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they notify you when they change things or is that something you just have to stay on top of?

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Yeah, it's more of a stay on top of sort of situation unfortunately. I mean, there are

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There are periodic announcements on various GIS-related forums and things like that.

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Especially any of the state layers frequently, they'll push out an announcement,

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hey, we've updated this layer, it's now current as a state.

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If you want to update your base, that's things like that.

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And there are things that will change.

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The wetlands are going to change both the mapping of the wetlands and the regulations of the wetlands.

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Yeah, as data, you know, accuracy improves over time, you know, like a stream layer

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from 20 years ago looks nothing like a stream layer you get right now, you know, but

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streams themselves may not have changed that much.

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The accuracy of the mapping has changed, and so you know, things like that, as new data

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sets come out, you know, we would want to try to update this to drink like that.

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It's not a good labor engine, but it seems like it's something that would be more practical

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to view as things happen rather than wait five years because if you wait five

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years you wait ten years or if you're waiting ten years you wait ten years.

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You're going to lose track or are you losing track? That's what you do.

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That's what I'm trying to do, right? Someone seems to have like someone, if someone could be responsible

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as kind of like a recipient from whoever, all the different people who have knowledge of

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events that are occurring that could send to this one particular person, you know, collector of

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information. You seem to be raising your hands. No, I'm talking about it in the slide.

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Well, you know, one of the things that other communities have is they have a conservation advisory

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council, which is a appointed committee and a group of volunteers that their job is to keep on top of these things.

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So that could be a mechanism in the town that could be very useful to stay on top of these things.

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Let's let Rick get into the maps and I can see the heart of what all of this is about.

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Sure, thanks. So this is the list of the Paul 27 maps that I mentioned that are in the report. I'm not going to go through all 27 because that's a lot of time.

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But I'm just going to highlight a few of them sort of give you a flavor of what's in there. You can look through the report to see all of them. As Dan said, they're grouped within the report by sort of larger topic areas.

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And they're all sort of based on this original base map that's the first map that's in the report.

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So this, all the maps follow the same template, you know, all the same roads and water bodies and personal lines and things like that are out in all 27 maps.

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And, you know, just some little back toys as we go through, you know, for instance approximately 5,000 acres of the town.

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actually that's town and village. New Scotland is, you know, considered protected land.

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It's about a 80-20 split between lands that are owned and be versus some sort of conservation

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easement. You know, all those acres about 4,000 acres are actually open to the public, which

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is a pretty good amount. You know, several of them, sorry to see this distance, but several

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those properties and trails that are accessible by the public. You know as far as natural resources

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forest are the big thing in New Scotland, almost 70% of the town. It has forest lands of 100 acres

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or more of continuous acres and another 5600 acres of tree cover, just a smaller patches scattered

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throughout the town. And about 11,500 acres are considered

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chloropores. Are those forest blocks that are 100 acres or more?

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And the core is sort of within 100 meter forest and buffer.

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And those core forest areas are sort of the key forest areas for

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habitats, for diversification of species, larger

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creatures, things like that, look for those core forest areas. Another way to look

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at the forests, a few years back, DEC, Estuary Program, and the Natural Heritage

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Program, did a analysis of all those hundred acre forest blocks throughout the

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Hudson River Estuary watershed, and ranked them, basically, ranked each block

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under a slew of criteria, fragmentation, wetlands, habitats,

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number of species, things like that, and then they sort of

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scaled them across the whole estuary, you know, the top 10 percent, bottom 5

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percent, things like that. And in New Scotland, you know, along the

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health groups, primarily, you know, you've got forest blocks that are in the top 10

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20% and the entire consumer restuary and then many forest blocks throughout the town are in the

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top 50% you know the dirt the reddish areas you know those are in the sort of the bottom you know

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areas of the habitats which is not so

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I think these are the areas that are close to development. They're more fragmented than things like that. But then even within the town. And again, it's, when you look at the map in report, you'll see some of these blocks are sort of have a yellow highlight around them. And those are what we consider notable for its patches and those scored in the top five or even 1% in the estuary for individual things like wetlands or ecological habitats.

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of things like that. And so, you know, a lot of the town has some really nice forest habitat.

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This is another way of looking at habitat in the town. Again, DEC and Heritage Program data.

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So this is looking at sort of the important habitat areas in the town. Most of the town is considered

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an important habitat for bats. There's important habitats for plants and wetlands up in the northern part

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to town. Those pink areas are important areas for extraterrestrial animals. There is natural

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community important areas along the escarpment. And that over half the town is part of a significant

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biodiversity area. The Hudson Valley, limestone and shells. And then there's the individual

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natural communities, again, up on the escarpment and up in the other birds there. And there's a lot

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of the foreign areas for habitats, a lot of plants and birds.

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But again, if you look at

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the report, it details all the individual areas that we're showing here. Another important

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thing in the town is agriculture. There's approximately 5,000 acres of active farmland in the town of

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New Scotland. About two-thirds of that is receiving an active or an agricultural tax assessment.

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And of the active ag land in town, it's about a 50-50 split between primary and secondary

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ag.

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And so the difference there is primary ag is, you know, on parcels that are being assessed

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as a farm, as opposed to secondary ag, which is a parcel that's being assessed as something

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else but has, you know, farm land on it.

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So typically a rural residential property that's renting three, five, ten acres to a farmer

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or for hay or pasture or something like that.

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So that was the stat, again, that was just a small group of the 27 static maps.

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You can look at all of them in the report.

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And then, as NAN said, we developed an interactive map that takes all the layers from all those maps

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and puts it in this online application, which will allow you to zoom in to the parcel level

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see which of these layers are visible or are on the individual parcel. I think there's over 40

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made-to-layers that are shown on here. And they're grouped similar to the

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typically report. They're grouped by different features within the report. Geology and soils, water,

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ecological agriculture, recreation, scenic.

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You can search for an individual parcel by address or parcel ID.

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But again, the purpose of this both report and the online mapping,

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you know, is information. It's not a substitute for a field survey.

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You know, someone's not able to just take a screenshot of these maps

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and submit them to the planning board and say, you know, here's where my weapons are.

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But it will say, oh, you know, there's some important habits

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that's on this property. There's weapons on this property. I need to hire a surveyor, you know,

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the Whitney, where these things aren't that sort of thing. Oh, Rick, is that link on that screen?

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Is that the same as the link that's written in the text in the first couple pages of the report?

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All right. You can click on that and go through it. Yes, there should be.

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Now, that's, you know, the short link, I don't remember what we put in the report,

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because that one or a bit is a different one, but hopefully we go to the same place.

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And so I'm just going to show you a brief demo of the application.

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It's a pre-reported demo so that just in case there was an internet glitch or something

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with the site, I knew it would be there, but after the demo and after our presentation

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is done, if we want to, you know, people have questions or want to see something else

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we can look at the actual application.

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So when you launch the application, there's a welcome screen that explains basically what

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I said, it's a tool for information.

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It doesn't replace legal surveys and things like that.

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And also, it's just sort of a heads up

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that the maps on here are best viewed on a large screen

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like this, not a phone.

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So this first introductory slide just explains

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what all the features are on each page,

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the legend based maps, things like that,

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how the pop-up window works, how you can search.

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So this first tab is the geology and soils tab.

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On the left is a description.

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It's sort of that high level description.

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They had mentioned that's in the report.

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It's taken right from there. All the text is taken from the report.

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So these are concerned about what they're seeing.

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They can click on the legend and see what each of these colors mean.

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They can change the base map.

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So by default, it's a topographic base map.

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but if they want to have an air photo, you know, to look at, they can do that, again, the information,

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and then the last one is the layers. And so here's where the user can go in. They can turn on and off

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layers. They want to have the parcel layer on. They can do that. They want to turn on the protected lands,

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see where those are. They can turn that on. Conservation easements, same idea. And then the

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all the features that are on the individual map, you can expand that. And this one, for instance,

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since you can switch from surface geology to end-rock geology.

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You can also select soils or slopes.

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The water, all these maps works in a similar way.

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Again, the water features, you can click on the legend

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and see what all these different colors mean.

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Recreation, sorry, ecological features.

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There's lots and lots of layers on here.

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So this is a map where you would probably want to go in,

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and go to your ecological layers,

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go in, maybe turn off a few,

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say if you want to sort of isolate the features

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that you're most interested in.

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And you'll be able to know what's on and off

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and you'll see that little eyeball

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with a slash through it that says this layer is off.

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Agriculture and just showing farm fields, soils,

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things like that.

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Recreation, cultural resources.

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So this is recreation lands, historic features,

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things like that. Scenic, this is primarily U-sheds to and from the

437
00:36:59,020 --> 00:37:05,740
escarpment and scenic roads in the town, land use. So this is the assessed land use

438
00:37:05,740 --> 00:37:10,920
for each parcel in town. There is a summary on the left, just the number of

439
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,920
parcels and the acres. Other things that are on this map are things like

440
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:24,340
like regulate facilities, and then also you can look at your zoning interactively on

441
00:37:24,340 --> 00:37:30,300
this map as well, and obviously, you know, tear parcels on the map.

442
00:37:30,820 --> 00:37:35,320
And then the last tab, this is probably the one that will get the most use by the planning

443
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,380
board or an applicant is the all layers tab.

444
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,860
And so this is where, you know, all those layers that it showed you briefly, all of them

445
00:37:43,860 --> 00:37:44,740
are on this one map.

446
00:37:44,740 --> 00:37:53,620
So you can go in and turn on and off anything you want to search for a parcel, we'll put in 2029, use Scotland Road, that pops up.

447
00:37:53,820 --> 00:37:58,300
We click on it and zoom right into the parcel. So here we are in Town Hall.

448
00:37:59,220 --> 00:38:02,880
Now we want to see, okay, well, what's here? So we go into the layer list.

449
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,880
As you can see, they're all grouped by those resource categories.

450
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:08,820
You can turn on the entire group at once.

451
00:38:09,620 --> 00:38:14,580
And then you can also expand it and look at individual layers within that.

452
00:38:14,980 --> 00:38:21,020
For now, we're just going to turn everything on, which you can't actually see all the layers because they're on top of each other.

453
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:28,200
But one reason it's turned them all on and off or turned them all on at once is if we come over and we click on the spot on the parcel,

454
00:38:28,900 --> 00:38:30,480
we'll get a pop-up that comes up.

455
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,900
The first thing that comes up is the parcel information.

456
00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:44,560
We get the parcel number where it's located, it's use, what school district we're in, the size, but then we see on the boat lower right it says, well, we've got 107.

457
00:38:44,780 --> 00:38:47,540
So there's actually seven layers here that we want to look at.

458
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,220
So we'll use these arrows to tap through.

459
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:51,900
So we're in the Bethlehem service area of water district.

460
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,520
We're in an undefined vehicle aquifer.

461
00:38:55,220 --> 00:38:56,920
We're in the blue and killer watershed.

462
00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:03,440
We're in an important area for back origin, we're in an important area for diatronous

463
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,220
fishes, and we're in a crime farmland soil that drained.

464
00:39:09,380 --> 00:39:13,280
So again, anything that's at that location that we clicked is going to come up.

465
00:39:14,540 --> 00:39:21,820
If we just want to sort of explore, we can zoom in and out, we can pan, we can say, well,

466
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,520
let's see, this parcel up on 85A, let's just say, let's click that, see what we got.

467
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:34,340
Again, you know, parcel information, it's, you know, in this water district, it's in this watershed.

468
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,200
It has these important areas, etc.

469
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:41,800
And like I said, you can turn these layers on and off.

470
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,360
If you want to do more of the visual inspection, we'll turn a bunch of these off.

471
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:52,260
And now we can see, okay, there's, you know, view sheds, there's agricultural features, etc.

472
00:39:53,980 --> 00:40:07,480
Any time we can zoom back out, see the whole map, and click and pan, however, how we want to get more information on any of the individual parcel.

473
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,880
So, like I said, that was a very fast overview.

474
00:40:10,740 --> 00:40:15,480
It's one of those things that's best to spend some time playing when it gets into it.

475
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:25,960
And happy to report that after we're done with, you know, this, because we can look at the live viewer if you want back to you.

476
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:40,960
So I'll just finish up by just kind of going over that, that we have completed half of our tasks maybe more than half of that part of it in the beginning was that the talent acquired funding to do this project.

477
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:48,700
The consultants were hired, informed the committee, Rick spent, I don't know, many months collecting

478
00:40:48,700 --> 00:40:54,620
all of this information and getting it all together in this GIS database for you and

479
00:40:54,620 --> 00:40:55,480
develop the maps.

480
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:01,040
And then significant time was spent in writing, all of the writing and explaining.

481
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:08,940
So everything that you saw on that map has a written description of what it means and where

482
00:41:08,940 --> 00:41:10,540
the data came from, et cetera.

483
00:41:10,540 --> 00:41:18,040
So there's a lot of need to, it's not just a pretty map, but there's a lot of hopefully functionality

484
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:26,480
within all. So as I said, the next steps is, we're both get to our board, any kind of input that

485
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:34,440
you have, anything that I think we had, I don't know, I guess it was today that Chris, you said

486
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:41,080
email today. Yeah, there's a couple little tweaks that we have to make to the

487
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:46,880
recreation labels and math will take care of that any other tweaks we have to

488
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:47,120
make.

489
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:55,560
So we'll revise it as necessary to fix whatever light you might notice.

490
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:02,160
So we hope the board will adopt the NRI. It's usually adopted is through a

491
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,300
resolution of the board, and we can get you a sample of that resolution.

492
00:42:06,540 --> 00:42:07,980
My hope that would be helpful.

493
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:08,520
That would be great.

494
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:16,360
And then when we're going to hopefully move into the development of the open space plan

495
00:42:17,220 --> 00:42:23,200
after that, and just so that you know the open space plan is really the place where we have more

496
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:31,260
public input because the NRI is really, it's based on the information that we have. It's not like,

497
00:42:31,260 --> 00:42:32,620
And gee, I don't like those wetlands.

498
00:42:32,620 --> 00:42:34,240
It's like you have the wetlands.

499
00:42:34,740 --> 00:42:37,320
So the open space plan

500
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,960
and we'll have a series of public input

501
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,780
that will be probably open house

502
00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:45,940
with all of these maps around and discussed priorities.

503
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:48,280
We probably will do a survey.

504
00:42:48,460 --> 00:42:50,440
We haven't worked out all of the details yet

505
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,700
on the public input that we'll have,

506
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,880
but there will be significant few of the input on that.

507
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:05,600
It will result in prioritization so that the community can decide which of those resources

508
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:10,740
may be more important than others, or maybe we'll decide that they're all important and

509
00:43:10,740 --> 00:43:18,220
we have to figure out a better way of mapping sensitive versus less sensitive areas.

510
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:25,500
So that will all come from our public input and the open space plan will be where we will

511
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:32,040
make recommendations on what to do about those open spaces. So we might have,

512
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:39,380
which is we suggest that zoning should be changed to X, or we recommend that

513
00:43:39,380 --> 00:43:44,780
a certain program be, work on a certain program to, you know, conserve a

514
00:43:44,780 --> 00:43:49,860
property or you work with Mohawk Hudson to, you know, put a trail in somewhere

515
00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:58,040
or whatever those recommendations might be to protect and maximize those resources.

516
00:43:59,300 --> 00:44:03,060
So there will be, and do you want to explain the online story map?

517
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:08,100
Sure. So just briefly, the story map interactive executive summary,

518
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,980
not it won't be like what we did by this showed you for the NRI. It would be more

519
00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:19,920
more of an narrative, scroll in narrative format, but, you know, relatively brief.

520
00:44:20,980 --> 00:44:25,680
And, you know, some nice pictures of the town, sort of explaining, you know, the areas

521
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:31,940
that people have identified for priority areas for protection, there will be some, probably

522
00:44:31,940 --> 00:44:37,100
some static maps in there, and then also possibly some, some interactive maps as well, embedded

523
00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:37,780
within that.

524
00:44:37,780 --> 00:44:47,840
And it's a more engaging, if you will, way for the public to get an overview of the Open Space Plan rather than just reading through a PDF, basically.

525
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:57,840
So we'll be developing that. Of course, like your conference plan, there'll be public review and review by the town board when it's drafted.

526
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,960
and then...

527
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:22,020
We'll go through the adoption process when we have it all together. Um, so I think that was our presentation. Um, so we could read, could turn on the online app if you want to see more of that or questions, comments, anything you'd like to ask or share about.

528
00:45:22,020 --> 00:45:29,440
I have to try many. The online maps, so basically all the info from all

529
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:36,360
toys of maps is all there. Yeah, perfect. Okay, great. I have a couple specific

530
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:37,960
questions. That's okay.

531
00:45:40,020 --> 00:45:41,000
Is that okay?

532
00:45:44,260 --> 00:45:49,480
I've paid 15 to 16. We talked about slopes. Slopes have always been a very

533
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:56,280
interesting thing to develop and plan here in town and maybe you can't do this

534
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:04,900
maybe you don't want to but you categorize table one slopes in the town 10

535
00:46:04,900 --> 00:46:11,680
percent less than 10 percent than you go 10 to 17 17 is the slope in town where we

536
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:17,380
basically don't let people build on anything steeper than 17 and then you have

537
00:46:17,380 --> 00:46:26,500
all different categories. And you list the less than 10% in the town is like 55% of the town.

538
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:35,260
In your text you talk about 2% which is often going to be possibly wetlands or probably wetlands.

539
00:46:36,020 --> 00:46:41,300
Is there a way to have a category for 2% or less and then go 2 to 10?

540
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:50,980
And just because you're showing this one category is so it's like half the town you might want to break that down a little bit more. I don't know if that's feasible.

541
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,120
It might take a lot of time.

542
00:46:53,900 --> 00:47:02,940
From a mapping perspective then he would translate that and we would update the table with the right acreages and percent.

543
00:47:02,940 --> 00:47:10,060
I mean, it might show the 2% if that is, in fact, that more likely the potential wetlands

544
00:47:10,060 --> 00:47:14,800
it might actually show that or just give us a light understanding of that, is that

545
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:15,040
fixed?

546
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:15,980
Yeah, no, we've not.

547
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:16,620
That's, yeah.

548
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:24,460
It's different, but if we're not going to share a screen anymore, people have said that

549
00:47:24,460 --> 00:47:25,720
we'd be good too.

550
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:32,880
I guess the only thing is, did you want to see more of the online app that was more

551
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,000
or that just a little demo that's pretty good?

552
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,060
First of all, one is an example.

553
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:38,240
There's a question I had.

554
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:40,860
And I didn't go through this in great detail.

555
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,720
And my question may reflect my incompetence

556
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:46,280
in operating the map.

557
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,540
But it didn't seem when I was, again, water courses.

558
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,540
I've got a tribute heritage in Esquita on my property.

559
00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:58,580
And I know on old USGS maps, it shows up as a blue line.

560
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,000
And it wasn't up on your line at all.

561
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:09,900
You can see it from the topography, and you can see the gullet coming down, it's very steep and divine, but it's a perennial string.

562
00:48:11,180 --> 00:48:18,380
And where you were coming up on it was a good distance down the road or down streams when it was throwing up on your path.

563
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:26,520
And I don't know, like I said, if I got it wrong or why that was being missed and if that was getting missed, there's probably a whole bunch of others that may be getting pissed.

564
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:34,260
Yeah, I think I can go back and look you know that's we're using the USGS you know their

565
00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:41,220
high-resolution data so I can go back and see if there's a reason it's not showing up on

566
00:48:41,220 --> 00:48:47,940
the online map. There's a toggle turned on or off that there shouldn't be. Did you look at the

567
00:48:47,940 --> 00:48:52,760
paint on the actual map? Well I didn't see that. Well that was the other thing in terms of I didn't see

568
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:59,260
the report itself available online or to get it in terms of the link that I found from it was just

569
00:48:59,260 --> 00:49:04,380
for the app. Yeah so that's one thing that we do need to work on it with the town's

570
00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:12,320
posting of all of this. We have the online app that is a separate entity. And then we have

571
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:20,340
the document itself which is a PDF and embedded in that is all of the maps and then all of those

572
00:49:20,340 --> 00:49:27,960
math could be individual static maps online. So we really do have to work on getting the right

573
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:34,000
things on the town's website. Yeah, I didn't see that. Usually something like this is presented

574
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:41,120
to the board and then we get it up on the website. Well, this is the kind of thing where we've got

575
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:46,000
to, you know, change the website. This should have its own pace on the website as a resource

576
00:49:47,380 --> 00:49:51,840
I think right now it's under the National Resource Committee that I told them.

577
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:58,300
Yeah, whatever reason I couldn't download or open that, I actually added through the Town Board's agenda website.

578
00:49:59,180 --> 00:50:01,740
But I couldn't find the whole report that it's not the outline.

579
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:08,500
Yeah, I don't know what happened, but we do need to get those things all up.

580
00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:14,120
If you use the interactive map that allows you to zoom down, if you didn't find it there,

581
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:19,880
you won't find it on the other map, right? Well, not necessarily. If there's like a little glitch

582
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:24,620
or something that doesn't, that's all you can wear. I know on the map. The interactive, you know,

583
00:50:24,660 --> 00:50:29,960
seem to work fine. Right. But you didn't see it. So on the interactive map, the stream didn't show up.

584
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:35,640
Okay, so you just have to. I have a similar one online, but it also, I know that on the USGS map,

585
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:52,540
It doesn't show. I mean, I know it's a permanent string, but it doesn't show. So that's right. And I didn't know right on going from it, you know, I've looked at the EC resource map, you know, recently, if it shows up on that, but I think it used to show it was a class B string.

586
00:51:02,780 --> 00:51:13,820
I mean almost anything you would want to know about our town is in the document and maps.

587
00:51:14,180 --> 00:51:18,680
I was just sitting there thinking listening to people and then talking about who can

588
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:19,820
use it.

589
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:23,400
It should be somehow, I don't

590
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,680
collect the better word, marketed to our town citizens.

591
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,660
I was just wondering if you could,

592
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,780
the town could do some kind of a palm card,

593
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,160
you know, like just a two-sided palm card

594
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,380
that our building inspector could hand out to potential

595
00:51:39,380 --> 00:51:41,600
developers that people that come to

596
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,540
planning board meetings could pick up to try to get

597
00:51:44,540 --> 00:51:47,600
the word out that this is available to people.

598
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:56,240
because a lot of people, some people, myself included, may have a little hard time navigating the town website.

599
00:51:56,660 --> 00:52:03,440
And kind of nice, I would think, for planning board members, building inspector,

600
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,280
even time board, to be able to just have a handy thing, a handy people.

601
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,300
A lot, because we really have to do some work on the lips.

602
00:52:12,300 --> 00:52:14,300
So you don't just have to produce your frontwards.

603
00:52:14,540 --> 00:52:17,780
To second that, in looking out at the resources and weeds

604
00:52:17,780 --> 00:52:22,420
to market it, what I love about our town and villages,

605
00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:24,560
there's a lot of school involvement.

606
00:52:24,940 --> 00:52:26,860
There's a lot of other volunteer committees

607
00:52:26,860 --> 00:52:29,340
that have websites that can help.

608
00:52:29,540 --> 00:52:31,860
I mean, you can have a library like, hey kids,

609
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,060
learn about your town.

610
00:52:33,820 --> 00:52:37,660
But that would also educate the parents about their town.

611
00:52:39,740 --> 00:52:42,100
Volunteer hours, you're saying it's a lot of work.

612
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:46,440
it's a lot of work. All of the schools have volunteer requirements for high school students.

613
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:54,740
That are probably way more computer savvy and information sponges for all of us.

614
00:52:56,620 --> 00:53:04,560
So, you know, in this, so yes, we need to, again, we don't want this to be a sit on the show

615
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:09,700
and just these, you know, 10 people know about it. We want the community to know about it and use it.

616
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:19,100
I mean, you know, marketing it, having it prominent on, you know, on the top website and easy to find is important.

617
00:53:21,860 --> 00:53:32,740
And, you know, and I think also when we do the open space plan where we're going to be actively involving the public will be another opportunity to let people know about it.

618
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,460
But the website is, you know, yeah, we do need to figure that out.

619
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,220
And it's a big file.

620
00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:43,420
I mean, if you look at the cover to cover with all the maps, it's huge.

621
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:49,980
So we might want to, that's why we might want to break it up.

622
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,240
Sometimes these things are shown like, you want the whole thing, here it is.

623
00:53:53,340 --> 00:53:59,280
It's 125 megabytes or if you want each chapter and then each map individually.

624
00:53:59,780 --> 00:54:02,520
And then oh, and here's an online map that's interactive.

625
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,260
So I think we need to work on all of those things.

626
00:54:07,180 --> 00:54:12,100
So you mentioned just get back to this particular document.

627
00:54:12,380 --> 00:54:14,540
You mentioned there's some tweaking to do still.

628
00:54:15,140 --> 00:54:15,960
It's just a little bit.

629
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:17,200
Bill sent us something.

630
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,400
Well, but there's something with the hand with Jeff's, you know, with that stream.

631
00:54:20,620 --> 00:54:27,060
But yeah, I have a quick tweet that Bill sent me for a park that we had to fix.

632
00:54:27,060 --> 00:54:33,160
Um, I'm just wondering when the board can adopt it. I mean, it's always going to be changes,

633
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:39,700
you know, potentially down the road. So I mean, is it realistic to think our maid meeting or

634
00:54:39,700 --> 00:54:47,780
would be thinking our June meeting? Um, well, so the one thing that I, that you're going to have to go

635
00:54:47,780 --> 00:54:53,340
back and change from draft, take draft of each one of those maps. And then we have to put the maps

636
00:54:53,340 --> 00:54:58,500
back in as final. I don't know whether you can do that between now and May 8th.

637
00:54:58,500 --> 00:55:01,600
Yeah, whether that's that or we have a June 12th meeting.

638
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:07,360
Hey, you didn't want. Yeah, I mean the change bill that you sent me today was very small.

639
00:55:07,580 --> 00:55:10,340
That's minor. Yeah, so that is not an issue.

640
00:55:10,740 --> 00:55:12,860
I'll send you information from my intern.

641
00:55:13,260 --> 00:55:17,840
Okay. I wanted to question out the updating, and I don't know how you're budgeting this,

642
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:26,800
But so like an example of what updated with the new state wetlands information, how labor intensive is that?

643
00:55:26,940 --> 00:55:28,320
What's a budget need for that?

644
00:55:31,940 --> 00:55:34,560
I'm not going to put any card numbers on it.

645
00:55:35,140 --> 00:55:37,020
I mean, it's not a lot.

646
00:55:37,340 --> 00:55:40,000
I mean, the one thing is like the wetlands.

647
00:55:40,780 --> 00:55:47,020
I mean, I guess it's also depends on if you want to just update the online version.

648
00:55:47,020 --> 00:55:56,420
or if you also want to continually update the maps that are in the credit report, because that's, you know, that would be different obviously.

649
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:56,640
Right.

650
00:55:57,060 --> 00:56:09,300
At least the online version of the way for us for, you know, a planning tool and most people would go to that and provide, you know, notifications for people that needs to, you know, updated our time by more frequently.

651
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:10,100
Right.

652
00:56:10,100 --> 00:56:18,340
Great, Rick, how long do you think it'll take the EEC to get the maps in Final Four to begin with because you rely on their maps, do you not?

653
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,060
But they're going to have a lot of understanding of that.

654
00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:25,160
Well, they're going to maps, but they're not going to be regular.

655
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:26,840
Yeah, they're not regular choice maps.

656
00:56:27,020 --> 00:56:32,220
They're data sets that they're putting out that are going to be available by the end of this year right now.

657
00:56:32,220 --> 00:56:41,280
Except for the brutal pools, I mean, I think that we, the maps that we have include both the current DEC regularly wetlands and the NWI.

658
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,940
So I think a lot of it is captured already as the information.

659
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:45,600
Right.

660
00:56:45,860 --> 00:56:46,300
Yeah.

661
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:52,500
At the same time, every time we actually get a larger project and we feel verified.

662
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:58,560
You're better off taking a field verified map and uploading that information and taking it from.

663
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,280
from all their mappers that are approximations.

664
00:57:02,740 --> 00:57:05,660
Well, yeah, ideally, if we could somehow get

665
00:57:05,660 --> 00:57:09,380
all the field verified wetland mapping

666
00:57:09,380 --> 00:57:11,560
that you have to date in a format

667
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:12,860
that we can get it into this,

668
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,260
that would be the best way to have the wetlands out here.

669
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,980
Yeah, so yeah,

670
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:25,660
and I think that there is a difference

671
00:57:25,660 --> 00:57:29,660
between updating the online versions of this

672
00:57:29,660 --> 00:57:37,620
and then going back and changing the text part that, I don't know, that could be more involved

673
00:57:37,620 --> 00:57:46,580
than just the maps. So, you know, because the way the text is written, it interprets what's on

674
00:57:46,580 --> 00:57:52,180
the map. So, like, going back to your slopes, or, you know, we say there's, you know, 500 acres of

675
00:57:52,180 --> 00:57:59,100
X, well, in five years, that's now 300 acres, then all the tables and everything has to be changed.

676
00:57:59,100 --> 00:57:59,620
So,

677
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,220
yeah, that is a little more involved.

678
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:11,640
So, what is the recommendation in terms of updating the whole thing?

679
00:58:12,580 --> 00:58:12,680
Yeah.

680
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:18,760
Well, either just do you see have anything standard that we don't really have a standard recommendation

681
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:30,560
I think different data sets will get outdated at different points in time.

682
00:58:31,140 --> 00:58:33,660
So, have my foundational document.

683
00:58:33,860 --> 00:58:36,660
You're never going to have to go and recreate the entire thing.

684
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:42,620
It's going to be kind of targeted updates to different parts of it.

685
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,540
You know, and it might be, and I don't remember what the comprehensive plan said,

686
00:58:46,540 --> 00:58:51,880
But comprehensive plans are supposed to identify the time period that they get updated.

687
00:58:52,300 --> 00:58:57,480
So as usually five years or seven years, some communities do it, some communities don't

688
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:57,760
do it.

689
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:03,540
But it might be something that, at the time, excuse me, where you update your comprehensive

690
00:59:03,540 --> 00:59:09,080
plan, that you're also updating the whole NRI text part, too.

691
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,120
So that would be a good time to mesh the two together.

692
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,440
No, I would think that would make sense for the text part.

693
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,340
It wouldn't do it any more often than that.

694
00:59:16,460 --> 00:59:18,820
But I think the online tool is the most important,

695
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,940
you know, what we need, you know,

696
00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:23,520
talent should budget for regular updates on that.

697
00:59:24,500 --> 00:59:26,340
Because that's the tool we're supposed to work.

698
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,600
And they have a license.

699
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,700
No, no, I don't think they paid for one year license.

700
00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:33,660
So what's good?

701
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,180
No, we get it out of the way we decide.

702
00:59:36,460 --> 00:59:37,540
Yeah, we decide to decide.

703
00:59:37,980 --> 00:59:39,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, to host it.

704
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:53,200
Yeah, that's been our serious license. Yeah, I mean that's what the viewer license will allow you to look at it, but right now the whole the public look at it

705
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:59,720
So if you wanted to actually edit it, then you would need a higher list of skills to do the other.

706
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,600
So, yeah, so for right now, we have a one year through the end of this year, agreement for upstate

707
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:14,420
US, Mike, I've made a host, hundreds of this product. And then the idea was we would figure

708
01:00:14,420 --> 01:00:19,020
out, probably through the other space planning process, you know, one kind of update schedule

709
01:00:19,020 --> 01:00:26,120
and frequency we want to do. And if it made sense to do that through a contractual obligation

710
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:33,120
or, you know, have it be within the town, you know, for the amount of time that we take

711
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:37,580
to do the updates, it might make sense to just keep it, you know, where it is through,

712
01:00:37,900 --> 01:00:43,600
you know, the mind process is probably, you know, it's probably going to be less than, you

713
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:50,020
know, 10 hours a year of updating. I mean, it's not going to be a ton of stuff. So, it's

714
01:00:50,020 --> 01:00:55,940
in most sense. But, again, we can, that's something we can decide later, but that's not something

715
01:00:55,940 --> 01:00:57,140
needs to be decided now.

716
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:03,280
And it's just the last thing that what some

717
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,900
plane boards do is especially with you know you've got the TV and the

718
01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:12,040
online stuff that you could either you know on a town computer or someone's

719
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:16,240
computer at a plane board meeting you can open up the online app and when you're

720
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:21,960
talking about whatever parcel is being reviewed open it up click on it and look

721
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,840
at all of those things after playing board in this EVA week.

722
01:01:26,780 --> 01:01:30,300
I had one question that I think I answered after playing

723
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:32,140
around with the online application.

724
01:01:32,700 --> 01:01:35,180
Under historic resources, I saw that there

725
01:01:35,180 --> 01:01:37,840
are the potential new districts in there.

726
01:01:38,100 --> 01:01:41,580
Was that taken from the New Scotland Historical Association

727
01:01:41,580 --> 01:01:44,380
or their survey from a few years ago?

728
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:44,640
Yes.

729
01:01:45,020 --> 01:01:45,680
OK, yeah, great.

730
01:01:45,980 --> 01:01:46,860
That's what I thought.

731
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:47,820
I'm excited.

732
01:01:47,820 --> 01:01:51,180
And I was like, oh, Terry Towne and then Indian Ladder

733
01:01:51,180 --> 01:01:56,260
and then boardsville. So one other thing too the historical association just put out

734
01:01:57,820 --> 01:02:04,620
this which is all the marker historic markers throughout town. Again not necessarily

735
01:02:04,620 --> 01:02:10,100
connected to buildings but it might be something we might want to end up putting in and they're

736
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:18,160
geolocation for each marker on here. Again we don't need to do that now that could be one of the

737
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:23,220
updates we do at some point, but just another thing for us to think about because I don't

738
01:02:23,220 --> 01:02:26,600
think they realize that this was here because they were talking about it. Oh, be great.

739
01:02:26,740 --> 01:02:31,320
We had a map that we could actually have an integrated map, so I'm going to have a report

740
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,720
back to them that it's in here. Yeah, I think that would make sense to include that.

741
01:02:36,020 --> 01:02:42,560
Well, I'll start with that, be you include before we adopt. I mean, it's a bit, the data's

742
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:48,060
available digitally. Yeah, let me ask them how they did this. I mean, I only have, I only

743
01:02:48,060 --> 01:02:56,100
have this it's maybe 40 level right yeah even if they have a spreadsheet that has a description

744
01:02:56,100 --> 01:03:01,720
of what it is and then the coordinates yeah I mean somebody must have they turn it into this right

745
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:07,480
and be nice to even if we have the way to want yeah to do it to have that included would that be

746
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:13,800
too busy to put on the existing map or you'd have to do a separate one I mean it'd be fine for the

747
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:18,060
online. I don't know about I have to look at it because if we want to have it in the print

748
01:03:18,060 --> 01:03:23,100
hurry, they're not. Yeah, just to be the bigger problem. Yeah, right. Now, I'm like,

749
01:03:23,100 --> 01:03:28,880
if I be sent to the online pages, like, you know, so yeah, that might be way easier on the

750
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:33,240
online, but yeah, we can do it in the text. I think that if we have that information, I would

751
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:39,180
hate to not include that information. Yeah. It seems like it's important to stop. I mean,

752
01:03:39,180 --> 01:03:44,740
an easy way to, that's all, what I quote you, these are the women not having to do it. My name is Frederick

753
01:03:44,740 --> 01:03:50,880
Mendez, by the way, of where I go a lot of new. I just would suggest considering it in appendix

754
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:57,740
that you can add to that leaf space for in the PDF so that when you have things like this, I do know

755
01:03:57,740 --> 01:04:04,360
it's easy enough to add these PDF pages, and so it wouldn't be changing all the text that you

756
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:13,840
We could add appendix, whatever, and then, you know, historic one for his math, with his own little thing, that's a really good idea.

757
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:15,560
That would be the way to handle the text.

758
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:18,620
We need to circle back Bill.

759
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:20,340
We put him off the screen.

760
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:21,860
You've had another question, I think.

761
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,580
I don't know that it'll come.

762
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:26,500
That's fine.

763
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:32,420
Me personally, I'd like to just go on and play with it myself and, you know, learn quicker that way.

764
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,340
But there's somebody else in the office.

765
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:41,160
Regardless of Jeff's thoughts there earlier on the changes in the state wetlands and

766
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:51,320
federal wetlands, one of the things you talk about is something I'm buying.

767
01:04:52,460 --> 01:04:58,200
And you mentioned you guys have done the enterprise before, it's about instituting the probable

768
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:02,040
and possible wetlands on the wetland map.

769
01:05:04,500 --> 01:05:06,500
I've actually never heard that for it.

770
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,820
If it's substantiated, well, that's a good word.

771
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,720
You talk about using the poorly drained soils

772
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:19,180
as your basis for it and another basis

773
01:05:19,180 --> 01:05:23,100
for the possible versus probable.

774
01:05:25,100 --> 01:05:31,820
Poorly drained soils in town are probably half the town in the place, in the cells.

775
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:41,460
So I suspect it takes into account the grades around that also, I'm suspecting, but has

776
01:05:41,460 --> 01:05:45,780
this gone over well in the other enterprise you've done, will you rinse to be possible and

777
01:05:45,780 --> 01:05:47,120
probable wetlands?

778
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:55,720
has that come up? I mean, we've never had any pushback on it. And if you look at the map,

779
01:05:57,180 --> 01:06:02,820
it's actually not, I don't know, percented up. And I think we have the report, the number of

780
01:06:02,820 --> 01:06:09,680
acres. I don't remember what it is. But it's actually not that much of the town. And it's something

781
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:15,460
that we've done since our very first NRI. It was a recommendation from the history program to include

782
01:06:15,460 --> 01:06:26,000
that we've been doing it ever since, and yeah, like I said, we haven't gotten any comments on it.

783
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:31,900
I mean, of course, it's non-regulatory. It's just sort of a way to say, hey, there might

784
01:06:31,900 --> 01:06:37,300
be lessons here, so if we're doing a project, you know, we should probably take a look and maybe we

785
01:06:37,300 --> 01:06:41,680
need to hire some of the delineated wetlands and you know, we go out there and oh, they're actually

786
01:06:48,500 --> 01:07:01,180
I just wanted to make sure that that's something you've done before, and we haven't seen any issues with.

787
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:07,900
I can say that in my neighborhood, I know that the problems are actual.

788
01:07:07,900 --> 01:07:21,120
Yes, because I actually know the name didn't well enough, and so at least in our case, it was not wrong, I don't know, I haven't done a federal law for it, you know.

789
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:25,000
Okay.

790
01:07:29,300 --> 01:07:35,760
The comprehensive plan update is already seven years old, that's up to just step by.

791
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:36,020
Yeah.

792
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,000
Is that your hand going up again?

793
01:07:40,340 --> 01:07:42,180
Just something I wanted to bring to your attention.

794
01:07:43,460 --> 01:07:47,820
But the other thing I wanted to say is that it was a pleasure working with Rick and Dan.

795
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:49,720
Like, they worked really hard.

796
01:07:50,060 --> 01:07:50,880
Very impressive.

797
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,260
So, thank you.

798
01:07:53,860 --> 01:07:54,620
Sorry, sorry for that.

799
01:07:57,700 --> 01:08:01,040
Well, you'll be hearing more from us, you know, as the open space plan progresses.

800
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:04,900
So at this point, let's see what we can do with the tweaks.

801
01:08:04,900 --> 01:08:17,200
Yeah, so I guess including me, yeah, I just had an email now. So the dates are would be either May 8 or what was the

802
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:29,880
Tuesday 12. Yeah, I got it. It's the second Wednesday of the month. So definitely by June 12, the May 8, I guess the only

803
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:37,240
thing I have to do other than the tweet that Bill had would then take the new maps with final on it

804
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:44,160
or always draft off of that and pop them back in. So I think I should be able to do it for June 8

805
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:50,980
but let's, I'm sorry, May 8. We'll try. Okay. I mean, I guess the question is do you need it? I mean

806
01:08:50,980 --> 01:08:57,720
that's only a weakish away. So do you need it like so many days ahead of your meeting in order to do

807
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:03,380
this or Friday before. So that would be, you know, Friday.

808
01:09:09,180 --> 01:09:12,220
May 3rd. Yeah.

809
01:09:15,530 --> 01:09:17,350
Not sure about that.

810
01:09:17,350 --> 01:09:25,490
You can play it by ear. I don't think I don't think we can move forward. All right.

811
01:09:27,650 --> 01:09:28,670
We'll wait until June.

812
01:09:28,670 --> 01:09:36,290
June 12th is the end point in the latest and I got to get I got to get Michael

813
01:09:36,290 --> 01:09:44,450
the rest of the draft resolution. But if you can't find one, I think I think you

814
01:09:44,450 --> 01:09:48,830
have some models. I have some from other towns. So we can get that to you.

815
01:09:51,470 --> 01:09:56,070
Other questions, sir? No, just an amazing work. I can tell them which work went

816
01:09:56,070 --> 01:10:01,070
into this and it's such it's going to be such a valuable resource for the town and especially for

817
01:10:01,070 --> 01:10:05,590
planning board I know we're going to be they're going to use it all the time. So thank you for

818
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:06,010
your hard work.

819
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:14,510
Great, well we will be back in touch and finalize this and then the committee will

820
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:20,910
send up another meeting. Let's get this done first and then the launch into what's starting thinking about

821
01:10:20,910 --> 01:10:24,150
how you want, you know, reach out to the public.

822
01:10:24,810 --> 01:10:27,630
So we'll, we'll, we'll flesh that out and yeah.

823
01:10:27,630 --> 01:10:30,250
It was at the past with the comprehensive plan update,

824
01:10:30,250 --> 01:10:34,430
you know, send out postcard debt was kind of thing.

825
01:10:34,690 --> 01:10:34,870
So yeah.

826
01:10:35,410 --> 01:10:39,610
So, you know, I think Chris's suggestion

827
01:10:39,610 --> 01:10:42,950
about marketing this after you adopted, you know,

828
01:10:43,010 --> 01:10:45,830
I think every public meeting that there is,

829
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:47,630
like yeah, a card or an announcement

830
01:10:47,630 --> 01:10:50,830
or something, but folks know it's out there.

831
01:10:51,630 --> 01:10:54,350
You could imagine if you could get something,

832
01:10:54,690 --> 01:10:57,310
that's a position in the enterprise to article

833
01:10:57,310 --> 01:11:00,490
or something on Facebook page.

834
01:11:02,010 --> 01:11:04,030
I think it's an instrument of how to write it.

835
01:11:05,470 --> 01:11:09,840
I don't know how to write it, right Michael?

836
01:11:10,420 --> 01:11:11,460
Yes, yeah, yeah.

837
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,640
But as a public document,

838
01:11:15,060 --> 01:11:18,240
I can copy read it from a document, still copy read it.

839
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,460
I think you have to look at your contractors with space to see if that would be possible.

840
01:11:21,900 --> 01:11:24,160
Yeah, I'm not going to have to actually look at that.

841
01:11:25,700 --> 01:11:27,540
Yeah, it's such a work of art.

842
01:11:29,900 --> 01:11:30,340
Sorry,

843
01:11:33,220 --> 01:11:38,120
a really quick question about the final PDF version that you're going to be frozen

844
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:39,000
locked in.

845
01:11:39,480 --> 01:11:45,000
Do you have a footer that does the most up-to-date maps or most up-to-date information and drives

846
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:53,840
them to the league. And that gets passed around and leaves its house near where we say go to this city

847
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:58,960
interactive. This is an idea not on there, but we could put it on there. I'm just trying to think of

848
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:05,880
where. I don't think I've got a lot of the page. The bottom of like the rubber hangs over the page

849
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:11,520
members are. Oh, the table contents? No. Just a photo. Oh, a photo. A photo. A photo.

850
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:17,340
A right hand. I don't know. Or put a photo under the map so I can say it is the best way to do it.

851
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,840
Yeah. I don't know. When you have it right on the map. How do I link to the online?

852
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:30,420
Right. On the map. Yeah. Well, you can do another active link. There's something that it's like a little disclaimer.

853
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:36,140
Like this map was drawn in. Well, the data. Yeah, the data, the thing of the map will be on there.

854
01:12:36,140 --> 01:12:42,540
Okay, and we can put a disclaimer at the beginning of the report saying, you know, the maps are fixed as of?

855
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:43,980
Yeah, that's good. I do.

856
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:49,140
I'm just thinking of the future and somebody thinks it's a map of it. Yeah, he did this.

857
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:54,040
That's true. Um, and the only other thought in this for the for the board to think about

858
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:59,060
who should be the town role of the contact for them.

859
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:04,460
It's, you know, someday somebody over tire things will change or you'll you'll leave sir.

860
01:13:09,460 --> 01:13:17,160
I can't remember what it says on the site, but just, when we get around to out there and having it out there, contact the clerk contacts.

861
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:18,080
Whoever.

862
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:19,800
Yeah.

863
01:13:24,590 --> 01:13:25,770
There's no more questions.

864
01:13:25,770 --> 01:13:28,150
the crypto-based minister how to see that is something.

865
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:30,530
Which like me asked more?

866
01:13:31,070 --> 01:13:31,790
No, no.

867
01:13:32,810 --> 01:13:34,850
But she can make a motion to adjourn.

868
01:13:35,070 --> 01:13:35,390
Oh, okay.

869
01:13:36,190 --> 01:13:38,650
Like the offer motion for the Board of Chair adjourn.

870
01:13:38,810 --> 01:13:39,290
Go ahead a second.

871
01:13:39,790 --> 01:13:40,070
Second.

872
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:41,150
Well, the very good.

873
01:13:41,170 --> 01:13:41,610
They say aye.

874
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:42,990
Thank you.

875
01:13:43,290 --> 01:13:44,050
Thank you all.

876
01:13:44,190 --> 01:13:45,170
That's actually an excellent answer.

877
01:13:45,890 --> 01:13:46,290
It works.

878
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:47,510
Yeah, it works.

879
01:13:48,030 --> 01:13:48,150
Yeah.

880
01:13:48,910 --> 01:13:49,090
It works.

881
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:50,190
It works.

882
01:13:50,490 --> 01:13:50,830
It works.

883
01:13:52,090 --> 01:13:52,830
What's your name?

884
01:13:53,150 --> 01:13:54,450
I'm going to sign me for you.

885
01:13:54,450 --> 01:13:54,830
All right.

886
01:13:55,030 --> 01:13:55,550
Good to see you again.

887
01:13:55,610 --> 01:13:56,490
We'll see you in the next one.