and trades board for AUGUST
27th 2026.
>> we get a roll call mary folk
out here.
>> randolph mcdonald here.
Frank dalton here.
>> bob warner here in front
of me.
>> yeah heidi I was walking
right?
Right.
I did roll call.
I need disclosure of x party
communications.
>> okay.
No.
>> and we want to read for
approval of the previous
meeting minutes
.
>> I'll approve to approve the
minutes for JULY 23rd, 2026 a
second.
>> the motion.
Mary flicker?
>> yes.
Randolph mcmahon.
Yes.
>> frank dalton.
Yes.
Heidi has walker.
Yes.
Bob warner yes.
The motion carries.
Let the secretaries who are in
the city staff and anyone
wishing to speak on behalf
of the property owners or
wishing to speak regarding the
case before the board please
rise.
Please stand and raise your
right hand
in the matter to
which you are about to give
testimony.
Do you swear or affirm to tell
the truth, the whole truth and
nothing but the truth?
The witnesses have been sworn
in
.
>> the first case is five a blt
that's 00025 that's 2026 350
mission drive officer barbara
goebel presenting.
>> good afternoon.
I have some information I would
like to submit as an exhibit.
It is the order from the
previous hearing that was
requested by the board to give
some clear detail on what the
property owner needed to do.
So I just want to submit this
copy to each of you so you can
review it.
Thank you.
How is it looking?
The building.
Oh, okay.
Thank you
.
Oh okay.
Good
.
>> okay, so this case was
presented on JULY 23rd, 2026
and at that hearing the
building trade board continued
the case to the AUGUST 27th,
2026 hearing.
Based on the testimony and
evidence presented to the board
on JULY 24, 2026, the board
ordered to continue the hearing
outlining actions needed to be
completed by the property owner
teresa and gascon and or entity
was mailed certified mail to
the property owner and was
signed for and accepted on JULY
30th 2026.
The property was also posted on
JULY 20th ninth 2026 and an
affidavit of posting was also
completed for the file.
At the last hearing the owner
had a permit for electrical
work that with an initial
inspection that had been
completed by the building
official.
>> the final inspection to my
knowledge has for the work was
also completed on JULY 23rd
2020 sachs.
>> the permit was issued to
replace the toilet and to make
the drywall repairs.
To date no other permits have
been applied for.
On AUGUST 4th, 2026 I followed
up with jay, the husband of the
property owner, to discuss the
board order to make sure that
he understood what the board is
requiring.
>> and jay stated that he did
understand and he was working
on getting an engineer.
After that day I did not have
any other contact with the
property owner and the will
update the board at this time.
>> thank you.
Thank you.
>> good evening, ladies and
gentlemen of the board.
My name is steve woodworth and
the building official in new
smyrna beach.
I have not had any contact with
the property owner since the
last meeting.
He has pulled no additional
apartments that I am aware
of or that we show on the
building department record.
Given that I cannot offer any
new information or testimony to
this case, I prefer to defer my
time to the property owner.
The only questions that will be
available for whatever
questions here.
>> thank you.
Okay.
Thank you so I don't know.
I don't know.
okay.
>> got it.
Yeah.
Sir, would you like to speak?
Good afternoon.
I have a complete some of the
paper which is a report from
the engineer and also
engineering firm and also from
the home inspector.
And I have here and I any
question I can answer you?
I think I can receive a report.
>> yeah, that's what I know.
So would you mind passing the
documents so we can take a look
at them in the house now
?
>> sir, do you have a copy
of those reports or is this
your only copy?
>> I can hear you well.
Is this the only copy you have
or can we keep it for our
records of the report that you
just submitted?
>> yes.
The report that you just
submitted.
>> do you have a copy?
Can we keep this copy?
>> yeah.
Thank you
.
>> so, sir, it appears the
engineering report states that
the second there are in.
Yeah, that makes two of us.
You're welcome to come up here
and you're.
>> so it appears the
engineering report you
submitted it speaks of the
property being rebuilt.
A bowl.
>> I guess the disconnect here
is what is it that's preventing
you from communicating with the
building department about
proceeding forward with this?
are you preventing what what's
preventing you from
communicating with city staff
and the building department to
proceed forward with getting an
appropriate permit for these
repairs?
You're asking me what in that
report?
>> I'm asking why you're not
communicating with the building
department.
>> why did I apply for office
permit for all electrical
systems that they completed?
Okay.
And the best inspection the
inspections delivered.
>> okay.
Do you believe you're done with
the.
No, I'm still working on it.
Okay.
I know I let you know I didn't
go in for the minor things
which are whichever it was.
Questionable stuff I.
>> I wasn't able to fix it and
I spent all that to fix their
property.
Okay.
So I did whatever.
>> so the photographs that this
board is currently looking at
are.
Yes.
This
okay?
Yeah, I will.
Okay.
So again there you go.
We'll be able to hear each
other now.
So the photographs that we're
looking at here are months old
obviously what is the current
condition of the property?
What is your plan for next
steps?
>> all right.
There are some pictures of that
property inside and outside
compared to what you see.
There's nothing that looks like
this all gone.
And what are the plans for the
private property?
What are your plans for next
steps?
There's saying they need to
have I wrote down that paper
and that paper has a link I
have to if I can get that paper
I will look at it.
Okay.
So what it is right now I want
you to paint inside and they
one of the people that came and
those homeless people they did
graffiti inside.
And I'm trying to not try to I
have to paint the whole
building inside.
And also I'm putting two new
toilets and I have to do
questionable to interior doors
which I'm replacing it and also
the whatever maintenance needs
to be done inside outside.
So I'm on it.
And do you currently have a
contractor that's working on
getting you prices or do you
intend to do this work yourself
?
That I for the for drywall I
have permit to do myself.
I'm a handyman also I did a
dental work in my past so I
know most of the this work so
it's not a big thing study.
I have a question on your roof.
I don't see a roof inspection
and details.
>> I'm still looking here and
it was leaking a few spots
which I fixed it.
Okay because I still see mildew
a stasis maybe you in the walls
in there.
So I guess you pass the roof
inspection so you're ready for
paint.
And so what your next step is
going to be paint or not ready
for anything.
The interior walls you've done
that you've done the drywall
repair.
I did not do yet.
I'm still collecting all the
still doing terrible.
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
So what's your plan of action
and what's your timeframe for
fixing the home?
I'm doing as quick as possible
because I have I'm doing I have
another project.
You have another project?
No, I mean not here.
Okay.
I'm busy in a different things
are there so as as much as I.
I have first priority as soon
aseave time.
Right.
Go ahead and do the job.
Okay.
One more question.
Yeah, I have a question for you
.
There were questions in regards
to the aluminum structure the
aluminum addition that was
built on to the back of the
house.
You know what I'm talking about
that aluminum room that was
built there were questions in
regards to the aluminum
structure that was added to the
back of the house has one other
thing was they inspected in one
speak and art that was
inspected it when I apply like
1213 years ago there was the
permitted and engineered.
Okay.
So so I'm understanding that is
not engineered for habitation.
It is engineered green room but
not for a part of your house
for an interior living space.
Was that addressed by the
engineer?
Yeah, that he checked it out.
Whatever.
He checked the whole building.
There was two engineers.
And are your intentions with
that room to try to make it
living space again or are you
trying to tear that down from
this green room on the back?
The aluminum room?
No, no, no, no.
Not on the porch on the back on
that there's going to be porch
space.
Yeah, porch both to the front
and back.
And so it was also using the
system for the building is
concerned.
I mean we have an engineer this
is structural adjustment.
Okay?
Based on structural.
Okay.
So so just for clarity, was
there a large aluminum addition
to the back of the home like a
metal frame room that supports
it?
I didn't have any.
Okay.
No structure.
All right.
Just just a short.
Okay
.
Is this the owner of the home?
>> is that picture the rear
of the home?
yeah, right now?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, I did a lot of work.
Okay.
That's awesome.
Okay, here's all your
paperwork, sir.
>> yeah.
Forec record.
>> oh, yeah.
So again, you're going to keep
it for the record.
We can keep this.
You have copies?
Yes.
Yes, I have another.
They give me threeieopies.
>> you have handwritten notes
here.
So you have copies of it.
You can give me that.
Okay.
So I know it does invoicing.
Okay.
I'm going to go ahead and hand
this to you.
You can go down and speak with
the attorney directly.
There you go, sir
.
Thank you.
Okay.
You have it, sir.
Right here.
You got that
MISS Heidi as well
as walker of your speaking.
Can you speak on the
microphone?
Yeah, I apologize.
Yeah, we're not capturing what
you're saying.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
No, I was just saying that I
think we should have some
discussion.
It does look like he's
progressing and making an
effort.
so I would like to make a
motion to give him an extended
30 days and to see if he's
still progressing.
Can I second that motion?
>> can I clarify when you're
giving him an extended 30 days,
do you want him to still comply
with all the previous requests
that were in the original order
dated JULY 23rd, 2026?
Yes.
The list of five things yes.
We have a second chance.
Yes.
Very very good.
Mary five second.
Yes.
Mary if I could.
Yes.
Randolph mcmahon.
Yeah.
Yes.
Frank dalton yes.
Bob warner yes.
Heidi hales walker yes.
The motion carries
.
The next case is a request to
appear seven a 67 cottingham
drive.
Officer barbara both will act
presenting this case as belle
de dash 200029-2026 property
location at 67 cunningham drive
this is a variance case the
property owner donny and stacy
hunt 67 cunningham drive has
requested to appear before the
building trade board to request
a variance to the existing
finished floor for the new and
proposed additions to 67
cunningham drive.
They would like the floor
elevation to be remain at 8.26
and eight feet two inches 26in
as originally constructed in
2012.
In lieu of the new ffa for new
construction that was
implemented during the 2020 new
f b c r building code cycle
requires f e to be two foot
zero inches above the flood
elevation.
So they're asking for a
variance to leave it at their
current elevation and stead
of meeting the new flood
elevation.
This is like the question I
have is I well I guess we'll
just let steve do his thing
first or no.
>> yes.
This is not my expertise.
What perfect.
Thank you
.
Good evening again board steve
woodworth for the city of new
smyrna beach.
I am in building and official
and for the record I am state
license building official plans
examiner building inspector and
an icc certified property
maintenance inspector.
You got a question, ma'am?
I did.
I guess my my question is has
it ever flooded before in the
past I can't speak to whatever
it's flooded in the past.
It hasn't flooded since 2012
when it was constructed.
I'd like to provide the board a
little background information
of why we're hearing this and
how we got here.
New smyrna beach is part of a
community rating system where
we get a a grade, if you will,
on how we enforce the flood
provisions of our code and
whether they are stricter than
the minimum standards and new
smyrna beach decided in 2020 to
make our code stricter than the
minimum standards.
>> so we got a higher grade in
our community rating.
So that's what we're here
discussing tonight.
It is not that this house was
constructed below base flood
elevation it when it was
constructed it met all the
applicable laws and our
required freeboard since the
time it was constructed we have
increased our level
of compliance.
We've elevated our minimum
elevation by 12in.
So this house when it is
improved it would meet the
minimum requirements or it
would be a level of substantial
improvement which defaults into
meeting the new flood elevation
which is why we're here this
evening.
>> the house is 14 years old.
It has not flooded however it
would not meet our current
minimum flood elevation.
>> a staff report from the city
engineering department was
submitted with your agenda.
It did not carry engineering
department approval.
>> they've worked very hard to
get the c r d c r s words that
and they are afraid that a
deviation would be noticed
under audit and we would get
docked for that.
With that being said, it is up
to you if you would like to
allow this allowance in the
free board element not the base
flood element.
>> how many square feet is the
addition do you know?
I do not remember off the top
of my head sir.
I'm sure that the property
owner has that information and
could provide it in this
testimony.
>> understood.
>> any other questions?
>> not at this time.
All right.
For now for you, steve.
>> I will be available if
needed.
Thank you.
Is the owner here with you?
>> I'm sorry.
>> good evening.
Thank you for hearing me and
our thoughts about this
variance.
My name is donnie hunt.
>> we moved here permanently in
AUGUST.
We bought this home about two
years ago on the search for a
home.
We looked at a lot of different
homes.
We look at other homes in this
neighborhood that most of the
homes are built.
>> I think in the 50s and 60s
as he stated, the home was
rebuilt 12 years 13 years ago
we did not think we had any
issues.
We had the original survey.
I didn't see it up there and my
architect is here also and I
think he has a copy but it does
show the 100 year flood line in
the front of the house at sachs
foot which is fema's line with
that being said, we felt we
were meeting everything.
We were unaware of the extra
12in I least I was and so we
bought this house thinking
we've got a house that's
already been rebuilt.
>> it's it's way higher than
the neighbors.
i have a picture and I can give
this to you guys to pass around
extremely higher than the
neighbors house.
>> this portion that they're
talking about is only a back
bedroom which is going to turn
into a dining area, a bathroom
and part of another current
bedroom.
>> we are not changing that
part of the slab at all.
What we're doing is taken off
the garage on the front
enlarging it and going to store
two stories with it with hopes
that we have three kids that
there will be room for them to
come home to the lines that
they talked about.
Fema's line we we are above by
one foot this state.
We are above the county.
We are above because we're at
8.26.
It's just the extra 12in we've
talked about the house flooding
since 2016.
There's been one, two, three,
four, five.
There's been sachs storms cat
two kapoor, cat five, carrefour
cat one got three.
The home has never flooded.
I asked that when we purchased
that small portion that falls 7
or 8in short is the big
question here.
I was also told by city staff
that if my dollar amount wasn't
above 50% they wouldn't even
care about this elevation.
So I'm just here saying this
house is 13 years old.
I really don't want to have to
tear it down and start over.
I've already moved out of the
house because I have a pool
contractor who's already got
his permit to start the job.
he was actually going to start
and I halted him.
We're not in the home anymore.
We're out in another home and
time and just going to delay
and delay and delay just trying
to make this our final home.
And I don't know if there's
anything else that my architect
mark can add if you don't mind
.
Sure.
So that's fine.
So so good evening.
>> hi.
I'm martin israel.
I'm the architect of can you
speak into the microphone?
I am mark nasrallah, the
architect of record.
I've been working in new smyrna
since the 80s so I am aware
of all of the building codes
and local codes ordinances and
I hate making mistakes.
When we went into this project
we got our survey with all
of our bfi's everything we done
added the fema lines which is
the very first thing I told
lonnie we have to do because
we've done a lot of work on the
water.
We understand there is a two
foot minimum about the fee
we're required for.
Our survey right there in
yellow says flood plain 6.0
we're at 8.23.
I said we're good to go here is
not the first seven elevation
on this and when it says that's
my fema line we just assumed
terrible word that we're good
to go it wasn't until
engineering pointed out and
even our we have a civil
engineer david blunt he's never
even seen it this back left
corner of the house has a seven
touch unit and we don't know
why we can't explain it because
the elevation back there is
five and four and everything is
falling off and why we have a
seven at that back corner we're
like you know we we don't
understand but it's there.
It's on the fema map.
I did not check the fema map
because my surveyor said we're
at sachs so we that's why we
have a finished product.
I'm not one to do and ask for
forgiveness.
We had everything we thought we
had everything we thought
checked out done is done as
mentioned we're nine inches
short.
The majority of the
construction proposed is the
garage and above the garage the
main house pretty much remains.
We have because I told him
don't touch the existing house
it's good let's build a by the
garage.
So that was actually 90% of our
work is new garage for above
which is about 2000ft so and
also when we're done we're
going to have all new windows
to meet all of the new when
zone loads we're going to have
all of our all the new
structure will meet the new
current code so the house will
be pretty close to meeting all
of the current levels.
And then as I've mentioned to
donny we meet the federal code,
we meet the state code, we meet
the county code for minimum
floor.
It's only new smyrna that we
are denied which is below.
So that is what our request is
for the variance so we
have any questions not at this
time, no.
Good.
Thank you.
I feel since the house is above
the road that there probably
won't be any flooding
situations but would there be
any problem if he goes to sell
and doesn't have those
requirements done?
That's no problem in the
future.
I agree that is do we have a
motion of do a motion that he
does not have to improve the
property to or he doesn't have
to do the elevation in order to
get a permit to complete the
house??
That's correct.
I second that for the variance
.
Mary baker yes.
Randolph opinion yes.
Franklin yes.
Bob warner yes.
Idaho's walker yes.
The motion carries.
Thank you.
If you'd like to collect your
photographs, good luck.
Enjoy
.
I was just moving on to the is
there anything else on this and
solve the business.
Do we have any old business to
discuss?
I just want to update you all
that the two houses that were
approved for demolition were
done out this week so the two
houses and the sheldon home and
the palm street those were
demos this week and they'll be
finishing up the 428 palm
street tomorrow.
>> thank you so much for the
update.
good work.
>> okay any new case business
to go over?
We're going to adjourn.
There's none.
Okay.
We'll go ahead and adjourn the
meeting.
It is for the record.
6:04 P.M. Thank you