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city of new smyrna beach.

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It's wednesday, SEPTEMBER the

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2nd, 2026.

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Seven would you please call the

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roll?

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Yes.

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Chair DR. Leonard here.

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Member I'm sorry?

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Member strickland here.

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Member mcgrady you're

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Do we have members that are

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current on the board that are

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absent?

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That is correct.

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>> members hoffman and engle

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are absent.

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Okay.

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Do we know where those excused

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absences?

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We have heard from ingle.

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You did.

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Okay.

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>> a board member you had an

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opportunity to review the

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minutes of the MARCH 4th

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meeting.

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>> then he comments changes.

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No, we we think you we have a

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motion then to accept the

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minutes from the wednesday

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MARCH 4th meeting.

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Call for motion.

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Motion to accept motion to

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accept.

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We have a second.

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We have a second.

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>> you're going to call a roll

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for that vote or can we voice

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vote?

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I'll call roll.

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Okay.

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Member strickland, I.

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Yes.

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Member mcgrady.

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Yes.

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Chair DR. Leonard.

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Yes

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>> okay.

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our our old business is going

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to be today's new business.

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>> yes.

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So we move right right on.

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Unless there's any old business

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that.

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>> okay.

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So we'll move on to new

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business and let officer wolfe

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address the board

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Good afternoon, members of the

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board.

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Happy to be here once again.

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>> this is an exciting meeting

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for me.

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I'm very happy to finally put

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these ordinances in front

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of you.

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This is a project that I've

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been working on for a long time

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so I'm very excited to have

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here in front of you guys

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today.

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We can make some considerations

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some strengthening of animal

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welfare laws within our

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community, ensure that we're

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always making sure our animals

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are valued and protected.

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>> in front of your package you

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should have the entirety of all

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of the ordinance changes.

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I highlighted some of the key

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ones in this powerpoint here,

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some new ones that we're

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introducing some verbiage

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changes and some things that

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are going to be major overhauls

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to the ordinance

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that work.

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There we go.

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>> starting off we're going to

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change our fines so previously

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the fine amounts varied

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depending on the spay neuter

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status of the animal.

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We completely remove that there

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should not be a higher or lower

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penalty just based off the fact

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if your animal is spay neuter

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all violations are going to

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carry the same fines so your

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initial first violation will be

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$150 for a first offense, $250

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for a second offense and then

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up to $500 for your third

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offense.

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>> a new law that we'll be

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introducing is interference

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with animal control or humane

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society personnel.

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All the verbiage is there up on

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the board for you guys.

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But essentially this law is

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designed to combat the people

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who are coming into the

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shelters and telling you I

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found this stray dog in the

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street.

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It's not mine.

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They're providing false

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information and they're

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refusing to provide rabies

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vaccinations, ownership status,

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anything like that.

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It also protects the humane

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society itself.

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The southeast militia, he MAY

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say.

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So any person cannot tear down,

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deface, burn, destroy or

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otherwise injure any impounding

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facility or enclosure.

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southeast humane society and

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then no person without proper

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authorization and shall

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release, remove or attempt to

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release any animal from the

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custody of the humane society

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or the animal control officer.

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Another new law that we'll be

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adding in is the duty of animal

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owners to be responsible.

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So again all the verbiage is

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there on your screen shall be

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the duty of every animal owner

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to or anyone having the animal

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in their care custody and

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reasonable care take all

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necessary steps and precautions

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to prevent and protect other

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people from injury.

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>> damage which MAY result from

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their animal.

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So if your neighbor's dog gets

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out and attacks your dog or

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they get out and attack your

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child or they get out and

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destroy your car or whatever it

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is, this ordinance would govern

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is the mistreatment of domestic

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Again, a lot of verbiage there

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We do not currently have an

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ordinance that will blanket

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addresses all mistreatment

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I'll show you what the previous

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ordinance was here at the end

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>> this is a step between a

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of animal cruelty where we're

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arresting people, this gives us

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the opportunity to hold them

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accountable and give them the

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opportunity to correct those

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issues prior to having to do

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some form of law enforcement

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action such as jail or seizures

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for dog things like that.

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>> animals cannot be kept in

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unsanitary conditions where

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there's vermin harming debris,

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insect infestation, no

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bloodletting so no dog.

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to bleed causing the death or

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domestic death of a domestic

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of mistreatment as far as food

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,water and appropriate

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shelters will all be addressed

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But for you when you when you

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come to a new page on this,

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could you tell us the page

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number?

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We are on the ordinance so we

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can refer to that?

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Michelle do you happen to have

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I MAY just I MAY just stop you.

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from new york.

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Do you want to move backwards

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to the previous ones you want?

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of questions but we can go back

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into further expansion on that

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this is one that I'm very proud

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to bring to the city.

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No person other than a licensed

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veterinarian shall crop the

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ears of a dog or duck the tail

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of a dog so nobody inside the

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city MAY modify their dogs ears

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at home doing their own ear

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cutting, trimming, tail

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a vegetarian and must have

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proof of that.

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veterinary and I'm very excited

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to bring that one into the

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replacing.

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ordinance says that the owner

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cannot keep the animal in it,

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must maintain it in a free

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of feces waste or to the extent

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that the prevent the noxious

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odor offensive odors from

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escaping into a neighboring

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rights of land or property.

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to articulate animal cruelty

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and welfare in there.

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This new ordinance replacing

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this one would give us the

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ability to go further and do

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all those things that we

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already discussed updates to

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the tethering ordinance.

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>> so currently we do have a

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tethering ordinance.

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This is probably the longest

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section in your guys is back in

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major changes that we're

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looking at for that our

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changing of the verbiage from

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discouraged to prohibited we

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are not trying to encourage or

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We want to prohibit it unless

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that we're proposing.

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in sight of the animal so you

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can't leave your dog tied out

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unattended for an extended

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or some kind of control or

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visual of that animal.

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We expand the tethering

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ordinance from dogs to all

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animals not an issue that we

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have seen here in new smyrna

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beach but it has been an issue

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in animal welfare.

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We've seen people tethering

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cats and other weird critters

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so to blanket cover that we're

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going to say all animals

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clarification restrictions

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of public and private property

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right away as easements in

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neighboring properties that

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would probably be something to

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shake and give you guys more

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of an answer on but that

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governs you know, how far can

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the tether extend?

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Can it reach out to a sidewalk

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and it could be an easement

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between the properties and then

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not allowing the dog to go into

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your neighboring property.

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>> new we're going to add

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operative swivels to each ends

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of the tether so each end

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of the tether will be required

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to have a swivel on it and that

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will prevent any form

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of choking or entanglements

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of the tether.

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It would be required to swivel

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on both sides.

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>> multiple dogs will be

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required to be on their own

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individual tether right now

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they're not to my knowledge is

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anything in the ordinance that

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says that you can't clip four

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dogs to one tether so now we'll

333
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have it.

334
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>> so each dog must have its

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own tether.

336
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>> the tether must not extend

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over an object or an edge that

338
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could result in strangulation,

339
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entanglement, injury or death.

340
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So if you have a dock in your

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backyard maybe you live over on

342
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riverside, you have a dock in

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your backyard, you can't have

344
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it so that your dog could hang

345
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off of that dock.

346
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>> the nuisance guys are on the

347
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tethering in the back of a

348
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truck bed.

349
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I'm not I'm not clear on how

350
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that is addressed here.

351
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>> yeah so we have a separate

352
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ordinance currently that any

353
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dog that rides in the open bed

354
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of pickup truck must be

355
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restrained.

356
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It's a separate ordinance

357
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that's already in effect that

358
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we are not changing or removing

359
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that in any shape or form.

360
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Okay because I do remember that

361
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order.

362
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>> thank you.

363
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Yep.

364
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So currently the nuisance

365
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animal ordinance states that

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any animal must create a noise

367
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in excess of ten minutes.

368
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>> the new proposals will

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change that ordinance to 2

370
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minutes.

371
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However, it's going to create a

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section that states that it can

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cause any annoyance discomfort,

374
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disturbance of the peace

375
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of sleeper or a reasonable

376
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person.

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>> why I believe that's

378
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important for our residents is

379
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just because if the dog is

380
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barking at 2:00 in the

381
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afternoon makes a big

382
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difference if the dogs barking

383
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at 2:00 in the morning.

384
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So if it's disturbing the sleep

385
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of a reasonable person, that

386
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would be something that we

387
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could now move forward with

388
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issuing citations for where

389
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previously it would have to

390
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meet that ten minute

391
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requirement.

392
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>> so hopefully that gives our

393
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residents who are having issues

394
00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,210
with dogs at night a bit of a

395
00:11:22,210 --> 00:11:22,977
peace of mind, a new law.

396
00:11:22,977 --> 00:11:23,712
>> this one again one of my

397
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favorite ones I'm very excited

398
00:11:26,181 --> 00:11:26,882
to bring to you guys the owner

399
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operator of her motor vehicle

400
00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:29,818
shall not place or confine an

401
00:11:29,818 --> 00:11:30,552
animal nor allow an animal to

402
00:11:30,552 --> 00:11:32,821
be placed or confined in any

403
00:11:32,821 --> 00:11:33,555
unattended motor vehicle

404
00:11:33,555 --> 00:11:34,256
without sufficient ventilation

405
00:11:34,256 --> 00:11:37,125
or under conditions which MAY

406
00:11:37,125 --> 00:11:37,893
endanger the health well-being

407
00:11:37,893 --> 00:11:40,962
of the animal due to heat, lack

408
00:11:40,962 --> 00:11:41,597
of water or other circumstances

409
00:11:41,597 --> 00:11:42,164
which MAY cause suffering

410
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disability or death.

411
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So currently there is no

412
00:11:45,534 --> 00:11:46,235
ordinance in the city that says

413
00:11:46,235 --> 00:11:47,200
that you can't leave your dog

414
00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,304
in an unattended motor vehicle.

415
00:11:49,304 --> 00:11:50,105
>> the only time that that

416
00:11:50,105 --> 00:11:50,806
would become a crime is when it

417
00:11:50,806 --> 00:11:53,708
becomes to a cruelty point.

418
00:11:53,708 --> 00:11:54,410
So when we can articulate that

419
00:11:54,410 --> 00:11:56,611
this dog is in distress or

420
00:11:56,611 --> 00:11:57,279
we're reaching the levels

421
00:11:57,279 --> 00:11:57,980
of animal cruelty and going

422
00:11:57,980 --> 00:12:00,782
forward with an arrest, the

423
00:12:00,782 --> 00:12:01,550
goal behind this ordinance is

424
00:12:01,550 --> 00:12:02,284
to be able to have some kind

425
00:12:02,284 --> 00:12:04,987
of preemptive way to speak to

426
00:12:04,987 --> 00:12:05,721
people to give some education

427
00:12:05,721 --> 00:12:08,230
and to give some enforcement

428
00:12:08,230 --> 00:12:08,257
prior to getting to that point

429
00:12:08,257 --> 00:12:08,891
.

430
00:12:08,891 --> 00:12:09,625
>> again, we don't want

431
00:12:09,625 --> 00:12:12,625
everybody to be leaving their

432
00:12:12,795 --> 00:12:13,595
dogs in the car in the heat.

433
00:12:13,595 --> 00:12:14,196
>> we also don't want everybody

434
00:12:14,196 --> 00:12:16,398
to go to jail for it.

435
00:12:16,398 --> 00:12:17,660
So this gives us an in-between

436
00:12:17,660 --> 00:12:17,600
point so we can have an

437
00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:18,330
educational comment

438
00:12:18,330 --> 00:12:20,330
conversation.

439
00:12:20,470 --> 00:12:21,136
That way it doesn't go from,

440
00:12:21,136 --> 00:12:23,773
you know, running into the

441
00:12:23,773 --> 00:12:24,574
store for five minutes to grab

442
00:12:24,574 --> 00:12:25,274
something to next time they run

443
00:12:25,274 --> 00:12:27,376
in the store for an hour and

444
00:12:27,376 --> 00:12:27,910
now we have a dog who's been in

445
00:12:27,910 --> 00:12:28,711
a car for an hour.

446
00:12:28,711 --> 00:12:29,345
>> so this gives us some form

447
00:12:29,345 --> 00:12:31,280
of accountability there.

448
00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:31,882
Did you say there was not

449
00:12:31,882 --> 00:12:32,514
previously an ordinance

450
00:12:32,514 --> 00:12:34,851
addressing this the city

451
00:12:34,851 --> 00:12:35,585
of deltona and unincorporated

452
00:12:35,585 --> 00:12:37,887
lucia county both have this

453
00:12:37,887 --> 00:12:41,487
exact ordinance but we do not.

454
00:12:41,558 --> 00:12:42,525
Don't forget what?

455
00:12:42,525 --> 00:12:45,610
>> so this is if I'm reading

456
00:12:45,610 --> 00:12:45,828
this correctly it's saying that

457
00:12:45,828 --> 00:12:49,599
an animal can be left in an

458
00:12:49,599 --> 00:12:50,366
unattended vehicle as long as

459
00:12:50,366 --> 00:12:50,700
there's sufficient ventilation.

460
00:12:50,700 --> 00:12:51,330
>> yeah.

461
00:12:51,330 --> 00:12:51,334
Correct.

462
00:12:51,334 --> 00:12:52,602
Yeah.

463
00:12:52,602 --> 00:12:53,369
So if you have like one of the

464
00:12:53,369 --> 00:12:54,203
ev's that you can leave the car

465
00:12:54,203 --> 00:12:56,673
on and it runs the air

466
00:12:56,673 --> 00:12:57,373
conditioning or it has like a

467
00:12:57,373 --> 00:12:58,142
dog mode or a kid mode or

468
00:12:58,142 --> 00:13:00,176
something like that that would

469
00:13:00,176 --> 00:13:00,910
be fine even if somebody left

470
00:13:00,910 --> 00:13:02,945
their vehicle running as long

471
00:13:02,945 --> 00:13:03,646
as there were sufficient

472
00:13:03,646 --> 00:13:06,646
ventilation for the dog that

473
00:13:07,217 --> 00:13:09,217
would be okay.

474
00:13:10,186 --> 00:13:10,820
Oh, MISS Mccurdy, if we're not

475
00:13:10,820 --> 00:13:13,820
when I read that that's

476
00:13:16,959 --> 00:13:17,193
sufficient is a very vague term

477
00:13:17,193 --> 00:13:17,894
.

478
00:13:17,894 --> 00:13:20,497
My understanding at this at

479
00:13:20,497 --> 00:13:21,330
this point I don't know if it's

480
00:13:21,330 --> 00:13:22,980
just in the county or not but

481
00:13:22,980 --> 00:13:24,567
one of the proposed ordinances

482
00:13:24,567 --> 00:13:25,602
previously for the city animals

483
00:13:25,602 --> 00:13:28,371
are not allowed to be left in a

484
00:13:28,371 --> 00:13:29,305
car any unattended at any time

485
00:13:29,305 --> 00:13:32,175
and even if all the windows are

486
00:13:32,175 --> 00:13:35,175
down or whatever because even

487
00:13:35,745 --> 00:13:36,379
this time of year constant

488
00:13:36,379 --> 00:13:39,379
reminder of how hot these

489
00:13:39,416 --> 00:13:40,830
vehicles can get in my did I

490
00:13:40,830 --> 00:13:43,830
misread that or was that.

491
00:13:43,553 --> 00:13:44,321
>> I have never seen that in

492
00:13:44,321 --> 00:13:46,656
our ordinance nor ever seen it

493
00:13:46,656 --> 00:13:47,424
in another ordinance because we

494
00:13:47,424 --> 00:13:48,240
have to really balance the fact

495
00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,424
that the florida statute

496
00:13:51,361 --> 00:13:52,262
dictates a lot of this.

497
00:13:52,262 --> 00:13:55,320
So we can't be almost too

498
00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:55,833
strict compared to what florida

499
00:13:55,833 --> 00:13:58,702
statute is permitting people to

500
00:13:58,702 --> 00:13:59,403
do which florida statute does

501
00:13:59,403 --> 00:14:00,170
permit people to leave their

502
00:14:00,170 --> 00:14:02,639
animals in the vehicle as long

503
00:14:02,639 --> 00:14:03,507
as they're not under duress.

504
00:14:03,507 --> 00:14:06,143
What we're trying to do is say

505
00:14:06,143 --> 00:14:06,844
you have to provide like you

506
00:14:06,844 --> 00:14:09,980
could leave an animal in a

507
00:14:09,980 --> 00:14:10,614
vehicle with the windows up for

508
00:14:10,614 --> 00:14:11,348
probably maybe two minutes

509
00:14:11,348 --> 00:14:14,348
before it becomes under duress

510
00:14:14,451 --> 00:14:15,219
and now we have to wait for

511
00:14:15,219 --> 00:14:16,200
that animal to get under duress

512
00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:17,454
to break the window to do so x,

513
00:14:17,454 --> 00:14:18,321
y and z.

514
00:14:18,321 --> 00:14:19,189
What he is trying to articulate

515
00:14:19,189 --> 00:14:21,458
is that hey, if you leave the

516
00:14:21,458 --> 00:14:22,393
animal in the car with the

517
00:14:22,393 --> 00:14:25,462
windows up and walk away, I can

518
00:14:25,462 --> 00:14:26,130
instantaneously stop you right

519
00:14:26,130 --> 00:14:26,530
there and say this is not

520
00:14:26,530 --> 00:14:28,530
sufficient.

521
00:14:29,300 --> 00:14:30,000
If we need to change the word

522
00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:30,700
sufficient because you're not

523
00:14:30,700 --> 00:14:33,437
comfortable with it we can

524
00:14:33,437 --> 00:14:34,105
potentially define it further

525
00:14:34,105 --> 00:14:34,838
in there and that's kind

526
00:14:34,838 --> 00:14:35,572
of what this conversation is

527
00:14:35,572 --> 00:14:37,341
about is defining maybe some

528
00:14:37,341 --> 00:14:38,420
terms that we need to clarify

529
00:14:38,420 --> 00:14:41,420
if you think sufficient needs

530
00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:41,779
to be defined or we need to

531
00:14:41,779 --> 00:14:42,246
find a different terminology to

532
00:14:42,246 --> 00:14:44,246
help with that.

533
00:14:44,482 --> 00:14:45,249
But to my knowledge right now

534
00:14:45,249 --> 00:14:48,285
we do not have anything that

535
00:14:48,285 --> 00:14:48,619
would go against florida

536
00:14:48,619 --> 00:14:49,320
statute.

537
00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,220
>> I do think that needs to

538
00:14:52,220 --> 00:14:55,693
have a little more teeth in it

539
00:14:55,693 --> 00:14:56,427
because I think now we've got a

540
00:14:56,427 --> 00:14:58,827
pretty educated general public

541
00:14:59,430 --> 00:15:00,131
out there and I can tell you

542
00:15:00,131 --> 00:15:00,798
and I don't know if you get

543
00:15:00,798 --> 00:15:03,100
that many calls or not but

544
00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:03,734
anybody that's at a shopping

545
00:15:03,734 --> 00:15:04,602
center or a public place where

546
00:15:04,602 --> 00:15:07,171
they see a dog or hear a dog

547
00:15:07,171 --> 00:15:07,838
barking in a vehicle and

548
00:15:07,838 --> 00:15:08,439
they're unattended, they're

549
00:15:08,439 --> 00:15:10,474
calling to report it.

550
00:15:10,474 --> 00:15:11,750
Yeah, absolutely.

551
00:15:11,750 --> 00:15:11,843
>> and that's correct.

552
00:15:11,843 --> 00:15:12,143
And we we get plenty of those

553
00:15:12,143 --> 00:15:14,143
calls.

554
00:15:14,445 --> 00:15:15,450
I think I've had three within

555
00:15:15,450 --> 00:15:15,379
the last month alone.

556
00:15:15,379 --> 00:15:16,247
>> yeah.

557
00:15:16,247 --> 00:15:18,215
And like I said, until we get

558
00:15:18,215 --> 00:15:18,983
to the point that I can

559
00:15:18,983 --> 00:15:19,783
articulate based on my training

560
00:15:19,783 --> 00:15:21,952
and experience that this dog is

561
00:15:21,952 --> 00:15:22,787
in distress, there's nothing I

562
00:15:22,787 --> 00:15:25,423
can do other than give them

563
00:15:25,423 --> 00:15:26,390
education.

564
00:15:26,390 --> 00:15:27,580
So now this gives us a step in

565
00:15:27,580 --> 00:15:29,160
between so there are some

566
00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:29,760
accountability and some

567
00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:30,527
ramifications of that.

568
00:15:30,527 --> 00:15:31,328
They'll think about this before

569
00:15:31,328 --> 00:15:33,330
the next time they do it again

570
00:15:33,330 --> 00:15:33,865
and it does result in a dog

571
00:15:33,865 --> 00:15:35,865
being in distress.

572
00:15:36,701 --> 00:15:37,435
>> well, I would never want to

573
00:15:37,435 --> 00:15:38,169
do anything that would dilute

574
00:15:38,169 --> 00:15:40,338
this with your intentions, you

575
00:15:40,338 --> 00:15:40,705
know, because they're

576
00:15:40,705 --> 00:15:41,272
excellent.

577
00:15:41,272 --> 00:15:42,600
That's what we want.

578
00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,206
I want to make sure you got

579
00:15:46,644 --> 00:15:47,145
something to fall back on the

580
00:15:47,145 --> 00:15:47,845
ground sufficient.

581
00:15:47,845 --> 00:15:48,646
Not crack the window or you

582
00:15:48,646 --> 00:15:49,247
know, one window was down

583
00:15:49,247 --> 00:15:51,247
completely or whatever.

584
00:15:52,183 --> 00:15:53,180
>> I think it's it needs to it

585
00:15:53,180 --> 00:15:55,453
needs to say a little more

586
00:15:55,453 --> 00:15:56,254
understood.

587
00:15:56,254 --> 00:15:56,922
I think that would help you out

588
00:15:56,922 --> 00:15:59,257
immensely because I think I

589
00:15:59,257 --> 00:16:02,257
know what's going to happen.

590
00:16:03,228 --> 00:16:03,895
It's potential that it says I

591
00:16:03,895 --> 00:16:04,663
don't would be placed or

592
00:16:04,663 --> 00:16:07,365
confined in an unintended motor

593
00:16:07,365 --> 00:16:08,100
vehicle without ventilation and

594
00:16:08,100 --> 00:16:10,802
just take sufficient out of it

595
00:16:10,802 --> 00:16:11,603
and that would mean the windows

596
00:16:11,603 --> 00:16:14,439
have to be cracked at some

597
00:16:14,439 --> 00:16:15,206
point.

598
00:16:15,206 --> 00:16:18,206
The question becomes by saying

599
00:16:18,977 --> 00:16:19,511
without ventilation is this

600
00:16:19,511 --> 00:16:20,212
enough ventilation?

601
00:16:20,212 --> 00:16:22,781
i still would say that's not

602
00:16:22,781 --> 00:16:23,515
ventilation and maybe if we

603
00:16:23,515 --> 00:16:26,515
define ventilation as air being

604
00:16:26,718 --> 00:16:27,319
able to move freely throughout

605
00:16:27,319 --> 00:16:30,319
the vehicle that a set

606
00:16:30,922 --> 00:16:31,690
of defined sufficient defined

607
00:16:31,690 --> 00:16:34,660
ventilation as you know freely

608
00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:35,360
moving air that can transmit

609
00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,360
back and forth throughout the

610
00:16:38,530 --> 00:16:39,198
vehicle allowing for fresh air

611
00:16:39,198 --> 00:16:39,898
to enter the vehicle at any

612
00:16:39,898 --> 00:16:42,898
given point in time because

613
00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:43,602
this is not going to allow for

614
00:16:43,602 --> 00:16:44,369
air but like a window

615
00:16:44,369 --> 00:16:46,571
completely down or halfway down

616
00:16:46,571 --> 00:16:47,272
on both sides is going to allow

617
00:16:47,272 --> 00:16:47,706
free air movement throughout

618
00:16:47,706 --> 00:16:49,374
the vehicle.

619
00:16:49,374 --> 00:16:50,109
>> but we'll look at this

620
00:16:50,109 --> 00:16:50,775
section to try to strengthen

621
00:16:50,775 --> 00:16:53,775
that definition so we can

622
00:16:54,780 --> 00:16:55,514
articulate to the public

623
00:16:55,514 --> 00:16:56,315
exactly what we're trying to

624
00:16:56,315 --> 00:16:56,681
get to and I don't know if it's

625
00:16:56,681 --> 00:16:57,716
possible.

626
00:16:57,716 --> 00:16:58,450
>> one other thing to consider

627
00:16:58,450 --> 00:17:01,387
in this is this happens when

628
00:17:01,387 --> 00:17:02,210
people are having you're in

629
00:17:02,210 --> 00:17:04,421
animals transported on a

630
00:17:05,257 --> 00:17:05,991
commercial aircraft.

631
00:17:05,991 --> 00:17:08,391
There are certain levels

632
00:17:09,462 --> 00:17:10,129
of ambient temperature on which

633
00:17:10,129 --> 00:17:12,998
and you cannot send your

634
00:17:12,998 --> 00:17:13,632
animals on the airplane even

635
00:17:13,632 --> 00:17:14,233
though climate controlled

636
00:17:14,233 --> 00:17:16,633
conditions occur in the

637
00:17:16,869 --> 00:17:17,536
aircraft and cargo compartment

638
00:17:17,536 --> 00:17:20,806
when they are taken out and

639
00:17:20,806 --> 00:17:21,541
left on a runway or taken a

640
00:17:21,541 --> 00:17:22,241
place for baggage and handling

641
00:17:22,241 --> 00:17:24,843
where the temperature MAY not

642
00:17:24,843 --> 00:17:25,477
be controlled, there's been

643
00:17:25,477 --> 00:17:28,477
some loss of life there.

644
00:17:29,810 --> 00:17:32,317
So I don't know where and where

645
00:17:32,317 --> 00:17:33,180
temperature could be put in

646
00:17:33,180 --> 00:17:33,586
here if there could be some

647
00:17:33,586 --> 00:17:35,586
restrictions on that.

648
00:17:36,255 --> 00:17:37,890
But let me just face it when we

649
00:17:37,890 --> 00:17:39,492
do have temperatures in the 40s

650
00:17:39,492 --> 00:17:40,259
and 50s outside, it's much

651
00:17:40,259 --> 00:17:43,128
different than than what we're

652
00:17:43,128 --> 00:17:44,297
having right now.

653
00:17:44,297 --> 00:17:47,166
And again, I just like I know

654
00:17:47,166 --> 00:17:47,933
that I know what comes up.

655
00:17:47,933 --> 00:17:50,903
I know these things happen and

656
00:17:50,903 --> 00:17:51,570
I'm just trying to give just

657
00:17:51,570 --> 00:17:55,740
some input so you can tweak

658
00:17:55,740 --> 00:17:55,408
this a little bit so we can be

659
00:17:55,408 --> 00:17:55,841
covered.

660
00:17:55,841 --> 00:17:57,841
>> yeah, yeah.

661
00:17:58,177 --> 00:17:58,944
I think the biggest problem we

662
00:17:58,944 --> 00:18:01,944
have with ordinances in general

663
00:18:02,715 --> 00:18:03,382
and I'm running into this is

664
00:18:03,382 --> 00:18:04,116
many of us specifically law

665
00:18:04,116 --> 00:18:06,118
enforcement and I think officer

666
00:18:06,118 --> 00:18:09,118
wilkin probably attest to this

667
00:18:09,889 --> 00:18:10,623
is putting parameters like a

668
00:18:10,623 --> 00:18:13,393
temperature in there isn't bad

669
00:18:13,393 --> 00:18:14,193
except for he is not able to

670
00:18:14,193 --> 00:18:14,995
enforce that so he's not really

671
00:18:14,995 --> 00:18:16,962
going to know the inside of the

672
00:18:16,962 --> 00:18:17,663
temperature of that vehicle

673
00:18:17,663 --> 00:18:18,431
until he gets inside that

674
00:18:18,431 --> 00:18:21,334
vehicle which he has to have a

675
00:18:21,334 --> 00:18:22,680
reason to get inside that

676
00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:22,836
vehicle which is typically the

677
00:18:22,836 --> 00:18:26,506
dog is in distress and you can

678
00:18:26,506 --> 00:18:27,273
tell so you know, we run into

679
00:18:27,273 --> 00:18:30,476
this a lot where it's like oh,

680
00:18:30,476 --> 00:18:31,277
we'd love to, you know, prevent

681
00:18:31,277 --> 00:18:33,112
bicycle ebikes on roads who are

682
00:18:33,112 --> 00:18:33,413
going 20mph.

683
00:18:33,413 --> 00:18:34,114
Okay.

684
00:18:34,114 --> 00:18:34,747
Well that's really hard to

685
00:18:34,747 --> 00:18:37,147
enforce because our radar

686
00:18:37,717 --> 00:18:38,285
doesn't pick it up correctly

687
00:18:38,285 --> 00:18:39,180
and stuff like that.

688
00:18:39,180 --> 00:18:40,954
So we try to look at writing

689
00:18:40,954 --> 00:18:41,687
this the best way so that

690
00:18:41,687 --> 00:18:44,870
enforcement can happen through

691
00:18:44,857 --> 00:18:48,628
his eyes and be arguable to the

692
00:18:48,628 --> 00:18:48,962
magistrates or the judges in

693
00:18:48,962 --> 00:18:49,729
charge.

694
00:18:49,729 --> 00:18:52,365
>> but I agree with you we can

695
00:18:52,365 --> 00:18:53,133
define this better so it's a

696
00:18:53,133 --> 00:18:53,833
lot better and we can put some

697
00:18:53,833 --> 00:18:56,636
other kind of parameters to

698
00:18:56,636 --> 00:18:57,370
indicate you know maybe we want

699
00:18:57,370 --> 00:18:59,572
windows to be at least three

700
00:18:59,572 --> 00:19:00,339
fourths of the way down and on

701
00:19:00,339 --> 00:19:03,643
all four of a normal standard

702
00:19:03,643 --> 00:19:03,876
vehicle or something like that

703
00:19:03,876 --> 00:19:04,677
.

704
00:19:04,677 --> 00:19:05,345
But you know I appreciate you

705
00:19:05,345 --> 00:19:07,847
for pointed out because you

706
00:19:07,847 --> 00:19:08,515
know it's something that, you

707
00:19:08,515 --> 00:19:09,249
know overlooks us and then

708
00:19:09,249 --> 00:19:09,916
that's why we bring it to you

709
00:19:09,916 --> 00:19:12,720
guys so that we can kind

710
00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:13,530
of flesh it out some more.

711
00:19:13,530 --> 00:19:13,587
>> okay.

712
00:19:13,587 --> 00:19:15,587
Perfect procedure.

713
00:19:15,822 --> 00:19:16,890
That's exactly what we're here

714
00:19:16,890 --> 00:19:16,823
for.

715
00:19:16,823 --> 00:19:17,900
I guess that's what this is

716
00:19:17,900 --> 00:19:17,691
for.

717
00:19:17,691 --> 00:19:19,760
That's the good stuff.

718
00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:20,193
Any further questions that we

719
00:19:20,193 --> 00:19:20,627
can move on?

720
00:19:20,627 --> 00:19:22,627
>> all right.

721
00:19:23,197 --> 00:19:23,931
Read this is another one I'm

722
00:19:23,931 --> 00:19:24,665
very excited to bring you guys.

723
00:19:24,665 --> 00:19:26,933
>> this is their pre

724
00:19:26,933 --> 00:19:27,434
prohibition of the retail sale

725
00:19:27,434 --> 00:19:29,834
of dogs and cats.

726
00:19:30,504 --> 00:19:31,305
So no commercial establishment

727
00:19:31,305 --> 00:19:32,720
or flea market for the purposes

728
00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,975
of resale or retail can display

729
00:19:34,975 --> 00:19:35,643
sell deliver, offer for sale,

730
00:19:35,643 --> 00:19:37,944
barter auction or otherwise

731
00:19:37,944 --> 00:19:38,245
transfer dispose of dogs and

732
00:19:38,245 --> 00:19:38,912
cats.

733
00:19:38,912 --> 00:19:41,312
This section is highlighted

734
00:19:42,883 --> 00:19:43,550
here because obviously a lot a

735
00:19:43,550 --> 00:19:44,251
lot of us know the florida

736
00:19:44,251 --> 00:19:47,200
point of rescue worked very

737
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:47,654
closely in hand with the pet

738
00:19:47,654 --> 00:19:48,388
supermarket up there on

739
00:19:48,388 --> 00:19:50,357
saturdays they go up and do

740
00:19:50,357 --> 00:19:50,791
adoption events this does not

741
00:19:50,791 --> 00:19:51,425
include that.

742
00:19:51,425 --> 00:19:54,261
So any humane society or

743
00:19:54,261 --> 00:19:54,962
nonprofit organization can go

744
00:19:54,962 --> 00:19:57,962
to a retail establishment and

745
00:19:58,265 --> 00:19:58,932
offer some form of adoption

746
00:19:58,932 --> 00:19:59,700
program things like that.

747
00:19:59,700 --> 00:20:02,436
>> the goal is to stop people

748
00:20:02,436 --> 00:20:03,170
from retail sailing dogs or

749
00:20:03,170 --> 00:20:06,170
cats so companies like petland

750
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:06,941
who are famous in orlando that

751
00:20:06,941 --> 00:20:07,642
were retailing retail selling

752
00:20:07,642 --> 00:20:10,377
dogs or cats and then same

753
00:20:10,377 --> 00:20:11,112
thing with flea markets the

754
00:20:11,112 --> 00:20:11,812
daytona flea market had a big

755
00:20:11,812 --> 00:20:12,546
issue with this before we

756
00:20:12,546 --> 00:20:14,815
passed an ordinance and boucher

757
00:20:14,815 --> 00:20:15,683
county that disbanded so we be

758
00:20:15,683 --> 00:20:18,452
no retail sale of dogs and cats

759
00:20:18,452 --> 00:20:19,186
so again if a humane society or

760
00:20:19,186 --> 00:20:22,186
nonprofit wanted to come out

761
00:20:22,189 --> 00:20:22,789
and wanted to do an event with

762
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:23,558
tractor supply or pet

763
00:20:23,558 --> 00:20:25,926
supermarket or any of our other

764
00:20:25,926 --> 00:20:26,694
local businesses by all means

765
00:20:26,694 --> 00:20:26,994
obviously that's what we want,

766
00:20:26,994 --> 00:20:28,396
right?

767
00:20:28,396 --> 00:20:31,396
>> we want to increase adoption

768
00:20:32,833 --> 00:20:33,568
rates and not retail rates and

769
00:20:33,568 --> 00:20:34,134
those are all the major changes

770
00:20:34,134 --> 00:20:35,936
I have for you guys.

771
00:20:35,936 --> 00:20:36,637
>> and then again obviously

772
00:20:36,637 --> 00:20:37,438
there's a lot of verbiage, a

773
00:20:37,438 --> 00:20:39,707
lot of words inside of the main

774
00:20:39,707 --> 00:20:40,575
ordinances.

775
00:20:40,575 --> 00:20:41,342
>> if you guys have any further

776
00:20:41,342 --> 00:20:44,342
questions with them please let

777
00:20:44,445 --> 00:20:45,246
me know again the goal like the

778
00:20:45,246 --> 00:20:45,947
doctor said that the goal is to

779
00:20:45,947 --> 00:20:47,415
strengthen animal welfare and

780
00:20:47,415 --> 00:20:48,115
to make it as good as possible

781
00:20:48,115 --> 00:20:50,985
to make new smyrna beach the

782
00:20:50,985 --> 00:20:51,820
safest place to have a pet.

783
00:20:51,820 --> 00:20:52,587
>> and the goal is for you guys

784
00:20:52,587 --> 00:20:53,354
to be able to review them and

785
00:20:53,354 --> 00:20:54,756
give me feedback of things that

786
00:20:54,756 --> 00:20:55,323
you'd like to see changed or

787
00:20:55,323 --> 00:20:57,323
added or different.

788
00:20:58,259 --> 00:20:58,659
Any questions I can answer for

789
00:20:58,659 --> 00:20:58,993
the board?

790
00:20:58,993 --> 00:20:59,860
>> yes.

791
00:20:59,860 --> 00:21:02,597
I'd like to go back to the

792
00:21:02,597 --> 00:21:04,632
civil penalty we first spoke

793
00:21:04,632 --> 00:21:05,200
about with a third offense

794
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,200
previously requiring a

795
00:21:08,636 --> 00:21:08,970
mandatory court appearance,

796
00:21:08,970 --> 00:21:09,671
correct.

797
00:21:09,671 --> 00:21:12,671
>> well, what was the reason

798
00:21:13,341 --> 00:21:14,750
for eliminating the court

799
00:21:14,750 --> 00:21:14,842
appearance and I'm sure I know

800
00:21:14,842 --> 00:21:17,478
there's a good reason but yeah,

801
00:21:17,478 --> 00:21:18,212
the resources of the court so

802
00:21:18,212 --> 00:21:21,160
you know, having somebody go

803
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:21,849
out and appearing in front of a

804
00:21:21,849 --> 00:21:22,583
court for them to be issued the

805
00:21:22,583 --> 00:21:25,152
same fine that is the maximum

806
00:21:25,152 --> 00:21:25,587
we can issue them takes a toll

807
00:21:25,587 --> 00:21:26,388
on the court.

808
00:21:26,388 --> 00:21:28,556
You know they they have traffic

809
00:21:28,556 --> 00:21:29,290
court, they have citations

810
00:21:29,290 --> 00:21:29,957
they're going through when we

811
00:21:29,957 --> 00:21:30,658
can issue them the maximum

812
00:21:30,658 --> 00:21:32,727
amount that's the same thing

813
00:21:32,727 --> 00:21:32,994
that the court would be able to

814
00:21:32,994 --> 00:21:33,695
do.

815
00:21:33,695 --> 00:21:35,563
So rather than putting those

816
00:21:35,563 --> 00:21:36,298
stresses and strains on the

817
00:21:36,298 --> 00:21:37,980
court system, we'll go ahead

818
00:21:37,980 --> 00:21:39,300
and address that here in house.

819
00:21:39,300 --> 00:21:40,100
>> so basically when they went

820
00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:42,938
to court their option was to

821
00:21:42,938 --> 00:21:43,304
pay the fine and nothing else

822
00:21:43,304 --> 00:21:44,390
happened.

823
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:46,975
>> so basically they can still

824
00:21:46,975 --> 00:21:47,709
go to court and appeal it but

825
00:21:47,709 --> 00:21:50,450
if they'd rather just pay the

826
00:21:50,450 --> 00:21:51,120
fine right now there's no

827
00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:51,746
reason to send it to the court,

828
00:21:51,746 --> 00:21:52,514
pay the court processing fees

829
00:21:52,514 --> 00:21:54,715
and do all that because they're

830
00:21:54,715 --> 00:21:55,251
not getting anything more than

831
00:21:55,251 --> 00:21:57,251
the mandatory fine.

832
00:21:58,286 --> 00:21:59,540
>> and my reason for

833
00:21:59,540 --> 00:21:59,721
questioning that and especially

834
00:21:59,721 --> 00:22:02,424
with the new animal cruelty

835
00:22:02,424 --> 00:22:05,293
laws statewide that have been

836
00:22:05,293 --> 00:22:06,461
in place I didn't know if this

837
00:22:06,461 --> 00:22:09,965
I mean a third offense to me is

838
00:22:09,965 --> 00:22:10,633
pretty serious and I didn't

839
00:22:10,633 --> 00:22:13,633
know where that would fall.

840
00:22:13,836 --> 00:22:17,436
And in the jurisdiction of the

841
00:22:17,907 --> 00:22:18,574
state for someone that has a

842
00:22:18,574 --> 00:22:21,574
third offense for the same

843
00:22:22,110 --> 00:22:22,845
thing and they're ability or

844
00:22:22,845 --> 00:22:25,845
their their say their ability

845
00:22:26,150 --> 00:22:26,748
necessary I would say the

846
00:22:26,748 --> 00:22:29,748
privilege of of owning animals

847
00:22:30,552 --> 00:22:31,253
comes into question so by the

848
00:22:31,253 --> 00:22:33,722
courts yeah and this is to

849
00:22:33,722 --> 00:22:34,457
address city ordinances this is

850
00:22:34,457 --> 00:22:37,893
to address things such as dog

851
00:22:37,893 --> 00:22:38,627
being off leash spay and neuter

852
00:22:38,627 --> 00:22:39,128
tethering ordinance violations,

853
00:22:39,128 --> 00:22:41,128
things like that.

854
00:22:41,697 --> 00:22:42,331
This wouldn't address any

855
00:22:42,331 --> 00:22:43,310
of those animal cruelty.

856
00:22:43,310 --> 00:22:46,310
So animal cruelty we handle

857
00:22:46,535 --> 00:22:47,169
entirely differently anything

858
00:22:47,169 --> 00:22:47,503
that comes with the jail

859
00:22:47,503 --> 00:22:48,204
offense.

860
00:22:48,204 --> 00:22:49,439
So any time we petition the

861
00:22:49,439 --> 00:22:50,206
court for custody michelle and

862
00:22:50,206 --> 00:22:50,873
I always request that the court

863
00:22:50,873 --> 00:22:53,776
enjoin the owner from ever

864
00:22:53,776 --> 00:22:54,109
having contact or owning

865
00:22:54,109 --> 00:22:54,910
animals.

866
00:22:54,910 --> 00:22:57,480
>> this is more to address your

867
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:57,880
local city ordinance

868
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:58,214
violations.

869
00:22:58,214 --> 00:22:59,150
>> okay.

870
00:22:59,150 --> 00:23:01,170
And this wouldn't apply to your

871
00:23:01,170 --> 00:23:01,250
dangerous dog ordinance either

872
00:23:01,250 --> 00:23:01,984
.

873
00:23:01,984 --> 00:23:04,984
So that would be completely

874
00:23:05,454 --> 00:23:06,122
separate that would have a

875
00:23:06,122 --> 00:23:08,524
different I think it even

876
00:23:08,524 --> 00:23:09,291
outlines the different civil

877
00:23:09,291 --> 00:23:09,659
penalty and we can write that

878
00:23:09,659 --> 00:23:11,659
in there.

879
00:23:12,695 --> 00:23:13,429
But like he said, this is for

880
00:23:13,429 --> 00:23:14,163
your I don't wanna call them

881
00:23:14,163 --> 00:23:16,733
minor offenses but your more

882
00:23:16,733 --> 00:23:17,500
minor offenses in a city

883
00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:20,500
ordinance element then you're a

884
00:23:20,536 --> 00:23:21,270
serious florida statute things

885
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:24,240
that will call into question

886
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,208
the care of the dog and I think

887
00:23:25,208 --> 00:23:28,277
if we get to the point let's

888
00:23:28,277 --> 00:23:29,145
say for example we do have an

889
00:23:29,145 --> 00:23:32,820
animal that is left in a

890
00:23:32,820 --> 00:23:35,820
vehicle and it doesn't have

891
00:23:35,852 --> 00:23:36,486
sufficient ventilation but the

892
00:23:36,486 --> 00:23:39,155
is not at distress that

893
00:23:39,155 --> 00:23:40,230
dillon's going to articulate

894
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:40,757
that and I think on a second

895
00:23:40,757 --> 00:23:42,759
offense is probably going to

896
00:23:42,759 --> 00:23:43,426
move to have the court remove

897
00:23:43,426 --> 00:23:44,160
the animal from the care

898
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,130
custody and we'll go through a

899
00:23:47,130 --> 00:23:47,830
civil process for removing the

900
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:50,433
animal based on a neglect but

901
00:23:50,433 --> 00:23:51,660
we'll be able to articulate

902
00:23:51,660 --> 00:23:51,735
that hey, we've had this

903
00:23:51,735 --> 00:23:54,137
previous case now we have

904
00:23:54,137 --> 00:23:55,400
another case.

905
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:55,738
It seems like this person is

906
00:23:55,738 --> 00:23:57,907
not taking adequate care and

907
00:23:57,907 --> 00:23:58,675
then the court through the

908
00:23:58,675 --> 00:23:59,408
civil process will be able to

909
00:23:59,408 --> 00:24:00,944
determine whether they believe

910
00:24:00,944 --> 00:24:04,544
that they cannot handle the pet

911
00:24:04,614 --> 00:24:07,614
at that point in time.

912
00:24:08,184 --> 00:24:08,918
And there were some other parts

913
00:24:08,918 --> 00:24:11,918
of the ordinance that proposed

914
00:24:12,456 --> 00:24:13,560
the same of dealing with the

915
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,456
meetings of this board.

916
00:24:16,590 --> 00:24:16,893
Yes.

917
00:24:16,893 --> 00:24:20,493
And said the board shall meet

918
00:24:21,398 --> 00:24:21,764
when necessary versus at least

919
00:24:21,764 --> 00:24:23,764
quarterly.

920
00:24:24,534 --> 00:24:26,534
Yes.

921
00:24:28,905 --> 00:24:29,272
Who decides when it's

922
00:24:29,272 --> 00:24:30,700
necessary?

923
00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:32,543
>> the city staff would decide

924
00:24:32,543 --> 00:24:32,943
so obviously any dangerous dog

925
00:24:32,943 --> 00:24:34,943
would come.

926
00:24:35,746 --> 00:24:36,380
We would meet at that point in

927
00:24:36,380 --> 00:24:36,846
time and then that makes

928
00:24:36,846 --> 00:24:37,180
perfect sense.

929
00:24:37,180 --> 00:24:39,180
>> yeah.

930
00:24:39,683 --> 00:24:40,830
Any ordinance change like we're

931
00:24:40,830 --> 00:24:40,851
doing now?

932
00:24:40,851 --> 00:24:43,720
My fear is sometimes with some

933
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:44,488
of our other boards is that

934
00:24:44,488 --> 00:24:47,858
we're meeting just to meet and

935
00:24:47,858 --> 00:24:48,525
we have nothing to talk about

936
00:24:48,525 --> 00:24:49,359
and I would hate to bring

937
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,795
everybody in here and say okay

938
00:24:51,795 --> 00:24:52,562
great we're here.

939
00:24:52,562 --> 00:24:53,230
>> we really have nothing to

940
00:24:53,230 --> 00:24:53,530
tell you and then go from

941
00:24:53,530 --> 00:24:55,530
there.

942
00:24:55,532 --> 00:24:56,300
You're more than welcome to

943
00:24:56,300 --> 00:24:59,300
communicate with city staff and

944
00:24:59,770 --> 00:25:00,504
MISS Evans as to like hey, I'd

945
00:25:00,504 --> 00:25:01,138
love to have a meeting because

946
00:25:01,138 --> 00:25:03,507
I'd like to discuss the

947
00:25:03,507 --> 00:25:04,308
following things and then the

948
00:25:04,308 --> 00:25:07,770
staff can look at it and go yup

949
00:25:07,770 --> 00:25:07,544
let's have a meeting to discuss

950
00:25:07,544 --> 00:25:08,345
these concerns.

951
00:25:08,345 --> 00:25:08,646
>> so yeah that's fine with me.

952
00:25:08,646 --> 00:25:10,646
Okay.

953
00:25:10,814 --> 00:25:12,814
Yeah that's good.

954
00:25:14,385 --> 00:25:16,420
>> on the on page four under

955
00:25:16,420 --> 00:25:18,420
the appeals.

956
00:25:20,491 --> 00:25:22,491
Okay.

957
00:25:24,610 --> 00:25:24,828
I don't I don't think we've

958
00:25:24,828 --> 00:25:28,428
ever had this come up before.

959
00:25:28,499 --> 00:25:29,267
The board shall hear and

960
00:25:29,267 --> 00:25:32,202
determine appeals by any person

961
00:25:32,202 --> 00:25:35,202
aggrieved by their dog being

962
00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:38,239
deemed dangerous that that's

963
00:25:39,643 --> 00:25:40,110
not an appeal of the decision

964
00:25:40,110 --> 00:25:40,844
of this board.

965
00:25:40,844 --> 00:25:43,244
>> certainly that's that's an

966
00:25:44,115 --> 00:25:47,715
appeal of the of the animal

967
00:25:48,190 --> 00:25:48,385
control officers designation.

968
00:25:48,385 --> 00:25:48,686
>> right.

969
00:25:48,686 --> 00:25:50,686
Okay.

970
00:25:51,489 --> 00:25:52,220
He gets to determine that

971
00:25:52,220 --> 00:25:52,757
they're dangerous.

972
00:25:52,757 --> 00:25:55,757
That person can either accept

973
00:25:56,327 --> 00:25:56,727
his determining or appeal it to

974
00:25:56,727 --> 00:25:57,395
this board.

975
00:25:57,395 --> 00:25:59,430
Then you all make your

976
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:59,998
determination if they would

977
00:25:59,998 --> 00:26:00,731
like to appeal your

978
00:26:00,731 --> 00:26:03,731
determination it goes to the

979
00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:08,300
circuit court.

980
00:26:10,274 --> 00:26:10,975
So all these other things that

981
00:26:10,975 --> 00:26:13,975
have been stricken in this

982
00:26:17,114 --> 00:26:17,849
proposed ordinance then you

983
00:26:17,849 --> 00:26:20,849
guys have just gone through

984
00:26:21,753 --> 00:26:22,286
this is what he what he talked

985
00:26:22,286 --> 00:26:23,540
about here today.

986
00:26:23,540 --> 00:26:24,989
There's a lot of other stuff in

987
00:26:24,989 --> 00:26:25,389
here that's being changed for

988
00:26:25,389 --> 00:26:26,570
correct.

989
00:26:26,570 --> 00:26:26,524
>> a lot of it is

990
00:26:26,524 --> 00:26:28,524
reorganization.

991
00:26:29,327 --> 00:26:29,827
I felt that this chapter was

992
00:26:29,827 --> 00:26:31,827
very disorganized.

993
00:26:33,264 --> 00:26:33,965
We had a lot of reserved area

994
00:26:33,965 --> 00:26:34,632
and the numbers didn't flow

995
00:26:34,632 --> 00:26:37,320
appropriately and I thought

996
00:26:37,802 --> 00:26:38,770
things were put in weird spots.

997
00:26:38,770 --> 00:26:41,306
>> so a lot of it remains but

998
00:26:41,306 --> 00:26:42,400
is being reorganized in

999
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,400
different areas and then some

1000
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:45,844
of it has just been cleaned up

1001
00:26:45,844 --> 00:26:48,844
in general with some additives

1002
00:26:49,130 --> 00:26:49,381
of what officer wolfe has

1003
00:26:49,381 --> 00:26:50,181
indicated.

1004
00:26:50,181 --> 00:26:53,151
>> I will say that there is

1005
00:26:53,151 --> 00:26:56,151
another section that I am

1006
00:26:56,288 --> 00:26:58,688
considering adding which deals

1007
00:26:59,958 --> 00:27:00,725
with our roosters on flagler

1008
00:27:00,725 --> 00:27:03,662
avenue and just my next point.

1009
00:27:03,662 --> 00:27:04,329
>> okay.

1010
00:27:04,329 --> 00:27:07,329
Which would allow us to

1011
00:27:07,665 --> 00:27:08,267
something I've kicked around is

1012
00:27:08,267 --> 00:27:08,934
to allow us to address

1013
00:27:08,934 --> 00:27:10,934
aggressive roosters, define

1014
00:27:11,970 --> 00:27:12,637
what aggressive means, define

1015
00:27:12,637 --> 00:27:15,273
that we have two verified

1016
00:27:15,273 --> 00:27:17,673
reports of roosters attacking

1017
00:27:19,378 --> 00:27:22,347
people or damaging property and

1018
00:27:22,347 --> 00:27:23,182
based on that the city of new

1019
00:27:23,182 --> 00:27:26,151
smyrna beach can execute how we

1020
00:27:26,151 --> 00:27:26,685
deem fit to remove said

1021
00:27:26,685 --> 00:27:27,453
aggressive roosters.

1022
00:27:27,453 --> 00:27:28,120
>> right now we don't have that

1023
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:30,723
in the ordinance so that's

1024
00:27:30,723 --> 00:27:31,230
something I forgot to put in

1025
00:27:31,230 --> 00:27:31,523
there.

1026
00:27:31,523 --> 00:27:32,224
It came back up.

1027
00:27:32,224 --> 00:27:34,726
I think I'm going to add it

1028
00:27:34,726 --> 00:27:35,361
I'll probably look at key west

1029
00:27:35,361 --> 00:27:36,620
to see exactly how they're

1030
00:27:36,620 --> 00:27:38,264
bridges because I think they

1031
00:27:38,264 --> 00:27:38,864
have something similar but we

1032
00:27:38,864 --> 00:27:41,667
do want to address our

1033
00:27:41,667 --> 00:27:44,670
aggressive rooster issue the

1034
00:27:46,471 --> 00:27:48,907
urban chicken program know we

1035
00:27:48,907 --> 00:27:49,742
have an urban chicken program

1036
00:27:49,742 --> 00:27:50,142
his his do we have that in

1037
00:27:50,142 --> 00:27:50,642
place now?

1038
00:27:50,642 --> 00:27:52,642
Anything like it?

1039
00:27:53,879 --> 00:27:54,647
I would we have it in place I

1040
00:27:54,647 --> 00:27:56,448
just don't know that we have a

1041
00:27:56,448 --> 00:27:57,183
lot of people who do it.

1042
00:27:57,183 --> 00:27:57,483
>> that same ordinance is in

1043
00:27:57,483 --> 00:27:58,184
place.

1044
00:27:58,184 --> 00:28:00,486
I don't believe we made any

1045
00:28:00,486 --> 00:28:01,530
changes to that ordinance other

1046
00:28:01,530 --> 00:28:01,687
than the number two.

1047
00:28:01,687 --> 00:28:04,223
Again, that was just to

1048
00:28:04,223 --> 00:28:05,910
rearrange order and flow.

1049
00:28:05,910 --> 00:28:07,759
>> yes, I rearranged it into it

1050
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:08,527
like the exotic animal models

1051
00:28:08,527 --> 00:28:09,228
and eggs and urban chickens but

1052
00:28:09,228 --> 00:28:11,628
the requirements and permit

1053
00:28:11,697 --> 00:28:11,997
remain the same.

1054
00:28:11,997 --> 00:28:13,997
Yeah.

1055
00:28:15,501 --> 00:28:16,201
Do you can you get me a copy

1056
00:28:16,201 --> 00:28:16,635
of the ordinance that you're

1057
00:28:16,635 --> 00:28:18,635
referring to?

1058
00:28:19,339 --> 00:28:20,273
>> sure, sure.

1059
00:28:20,273 --> 00:28:23,476
Because I don't I didn't I've

1060
00:28:23,476 --> 00:28:24,210
got what I thought was the

1061
00:28:24,210 --> 00:28:24,844
current one I had the one that

1062
00:28:24,844 --> 00:28:26,912
megan wilks put together.

1063
00:28:26,912 --> 00:28:29,312
We previously discussed it

1064
00:28:30,283 --> 00:28:31,170
never took effect in what I

1065
00:28:31,170 --> 00:28:34,220
have there is nothing about the

1066
00:28:34,220 --> 00:28:34,921
chickens at that time so I

1067
00:28:34,921 --> 00:28:35,421
didn't realize that that had

1068
00:28:35,421 --> 00:28:37,421
ever been passed.

1069
00:28:39,492 --> 00:28:40,260
>> yes it ha yes it's it's in

1070
00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:42,260
the ordinance now.

1071
00:28:42,595 --> 00:28:43,395
>> well no it I can tell you

1072
00:28:43,395 --> 00:28:46,132
this it didn't come before this

1073
00:28:46,132 --> 00:28:46,966
board okay I don't know thank

1074
00:28:46,966 --> 00:28:49,502
GOD this is before me and I

1075
00:28:49,502 --> 00:28:53,102
would want to get too involved

1076
00:28:56,900 --> 00:28:56,776
in this thing but

1077
00:28:56,776 --> 00:28:59,176
if you had a

1078
00:28:59,946 --> 00:29:00,546
lot of complaints about people

1079
00:29:00,546 --> 00:29:02,946
having chickens in the

1080
00:29:03,983 --> 00:29:04,784
neighborhoods a minimal amount

1081
00:29:04,784 --> 00:29:07,521
I'd say we receive a couple

1082
00:29:07,521 --> 00:29:08,121
of year mostly regarding people

1083
00:29:08,121 --> 00:29:10,121
having roosters because

1084
00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:11,580
obviously they're waking up

1085
00:29:11,580 --> 00:29:11,791
super early in the morning and

1086
00:29:11,791 --> 00:29:14,791
creating a disturbance to the

1087
00:29:14,861 --> 00:29:15,628
neighborhood which the current

1088
00:29:15,628 --> 00:29:18,465
ordinance does not allow you to

1089
00:29:18,465 --> 00:29:19,266
have a pet rooster.

1090
00:29:19,266 --> 00:29:19,733
So we will go through and we

1091
00:29:19,733 --> 00:29:20,467
address those.

1092
00:29:20,467 --> 00:29:22,636
It's just one of those things

1093
00:29:22,636 --> 00:29:23,336
that we address on a case by

1094
00:29:23,336 --> 00:29:24,271
case basis and I would not say

1095
00:29:24,271 --> 00:29:26,773
it's a problem we get a lot

1096
00:29:26,773 --> 00:29:27,674
of yeah, I wouldn't be anxious

1097
00:29:27,674 --> 00:29:30,177
to go in and if you have

1098
00:29:30,177 --> 00:29:30,943
chickens that you're getting

1099
00:29:30,943 --> 00:29:33,881
eggs and stuff they have to be

1100
00:29:33,881 --> 00:29:34,648
have a coop and yeah there are

1101
00:29:34,648 --> 00:29:35,349
certain requirements as far as

1102
00:29:35,349 --> 00:29:37,749
the sheltering, the housing,

1103
00:29:38,118 --> 00:29:38,852
the sanitation the ordinance is

1104
00:29:38,852 --> 00:29:39,286
very specific into what they

1105
00:29:39,286 --> 00:29:41,286
have to have.

1106
00:29:41,955 --> 00:29:42,722
Yeah but you're allowed to have

1107
00:29:42,722 --> 00:29:43,490
up to five hens as long as

1108
00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:45,192
you've obtained the permit from

1109
00:29:45,192 --> 00:29:45,892
the city.

1110
00:29:45,892 --> 00:29:48,292
Our complaints about people

1111
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:49,763
having chickens and their

1112
00:29:49,763 --> 00:29:50,297
neighborhood or is this a

1113
00:29:50,297 --> 00:29:52,297
complaint generated

1114
00:29:53,534 --> 00:29:54,267
investigation on your part or

1115
00:29:54,267 --> 00:29:57,304
is it code enforcement who it

1116
00:29:57,304 --> 00:29:58,500
would go through?

1117
00:29:58,500 --> 00:29:58,504
So sometimes they go through

1118
00:29:58,504 --> 00:29:59,239
code enforcement.

1119
00:29:59,239 --> 00:30:01,874
Sometimes they call into the

1120
00:30:01,874 --> 00:30:02,475
non-emergency dispatch center

1121
00:30:02,475 --> 00:30:03,243
or sometimes it MAY be

1122
00:30:03,243 --> 00:30:05,245
something they call and to the

1123
00:30:05,245 --> 00:30:05,979
city directly but it's yeah,

1124
00:30:05,979 --> 00:30:08,749
it's made so it's a complaint

1125
00:30:08,749 --> 00:30:09,183
that I'm responding to if that

1126
00:30:09,183 --> 00:30:09,850
makes sense.

1127
00:30:09,850 --> 00:30:12,886
>> well, the one thing I did

1128
00:30:12,886 --> 00:30:13,586
want to talk about was the

1129
00:30:13,586 --> 00:30:16,289
roosters and the chickens in

1130
00:30:16,289 --> 00:30:19,289
general on flagler is nobody

1131
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:20,928
really asked the question where

1132
00:30:20,928 --> 00:30:21,862
did they come from?

1133
00:30:21,862 --> 00:30:24,231
>> oh yeah and I think yeah

1134
00:30:24,231 --> 00:30:24,965
when we we've asked the

1135
00:30:24,965 --> 00:30:25,666
question you know the question

1136
00:30:25,666 --> 00:30:27,467
is where did they come from

1137
00:30:27,467 --> 00:30:28,234
because they have came from

1138
00:30:28,234 --> 00:30:31,234
somewhere much like ybor city

1139
00:30:31,605 --> 00:30:32,206
and tampa and key west you know

1140
00:30:32,206 --> 00:30:32,907
they did originate from

1141
00:30:32,907 --> 00:30:35,442
somewhere and it's a it's a

1142
00:30:35,442 --> 00:30:36,177
polarized divide amongst the

1143
00:30:36,177 --> 00:30:39,146
city of what the perspective is

1144
00:30:39,146 --> 00:30:39,880
with the roosters amongst our

1145
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,880
residents because when you go

1146
00:30:43,150 --> 00:30:43,918
out to tractor supply and you

1147
00:30:43,918 --> 00:30:46,918
get those cute little chickens

1148
00:30:47,540 --> 00:30:47,788
to bring home, you're often

1149
00:30:47,788 --> 00:30:48,880
surprised that you don't have

1150
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,880
hens.

1151
00:30:50,692 --> 00:30:50,991
yeah, you've got a rooster in

1152
00:30:50,991 --> 00:30:51,858
there.

1153
00:30:51,858 --> 00:30:55,196
So flagler has gotten to be a

1154
00:30:55,196 --> 00:30:57,596
dumping ground for unwanted

1155
00:30:58,699 --> 00:31:01,269
roosters and yeah I, I think we

1156
00:31:01,269 --> 00:31:02,200
had put out a post maybe two

1157
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,972
years ago at some point that

1158
00:31:04,972 --> 00:31:05,339
banning an animal is considered

1159
00:31:05,339 --> 00:31:06,740
a crime.

1160
00:31:06,740 --> 00:31:09,740
The biggest thing is catching

1161
00:31:10,780 --> 00:31:11,912
them and so we've been unable

1162
00:31:11,912 --> 00:31:12,847
to really catch anyone to be in

1163
00:31:12,847 --> 00:31:13,447
in an animal but yes they are

1164
00:31:13,447 --> 00:31:15,447
definitely coming from

1165
00:31:16,216 --> 00:31:17,180
somewhere.

1166
00:31:17,180 --> 00:31:17,418
>> yeah that's where they're

1167
00:31:17,418 --> 00:31:17,719
coming from.

1168
00:31:17,719 --> 00:31:18,386
Yeah.

1169
00:31:18,386 --> 00:31:20,387
Currently there is a city

1170
00:31:20,387 --> 00:31:21,880
ordinance that you can't

1171
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:21,822
abandon an animal anywhere

1172
00:31:21,822 --> 00:31:24,258
within the limits of the city

1173
00:31:24,258 --> 00:31:24,993
which would carry a $50 fine.

1174
00:31:24,993 --> 00:31:28,630
Again, one of the reasons that

1175
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:28,896
we're trying to up that there's

1176
00:31:28,896 --> 00:31:29,464
a state law that also addresses

1177
00:31:29,464 --> 00:31:30,131
that which makes it a

1178
00:31:30,131 --> 00:31:32,660
misdemeanor to abandon an

1179
00:31:32,660 --> 00:31:32,400
animal in any public place or

1180
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,134
street.

1181
00:31:33,134 --> 00:31:35,570
But again the resource becomes

1182
00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:36,337
of how do we prove it?

1183
00:31:36,337 --> 00:31:37,138
I know the police department

1184
00:31:37,138 --> 00:31:39,374
has made efforts into trying to

1185
00:31:39,374 --> 00:31:40,174
figure out where the roosters

1186
00:31:40,174 --> 00:31:42,777
have came from but as just came

1187
00:31:42,777 --> 00:31:43,578
to no avail crime and I thought

1188
00:31:43,578 --> 00:31:46,648
I remember hearing when I moved

1189
00:31:46,648 --> 00:31:47,382
here that somebody thought it

1190
00:31:47,382 --> 00:31:50,982
would be cool because to be

1191
00:31:51,860 --> 00:31:51,820
like he was and had dumped some

1192
00:31:51,820 --> 00:31:52,587
off but like going again they

1193
00:31:52,587 --> 00:31:54,121
had to start it from somewhere

1194
00:31:54,121 --> 00:31:54,889
so that that could have been

1195
00:31:54,889 --> 00:31:55,290
the philosophy they just keep

1196
00:31:55,290 --> 00:31:57,290
multiplying.

1197
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,960
>> yeah chickens do the sachs

1198
00:32:05,467 --> 00:32:06,167
month age on animals beings

1199
00:32:06,167 --> 00:32:09,167
spayed or neutered and we've

1200
00:32:09,804 --> 00:32:10,505
talked about this I think at

1201
00:32:10,505 --> 00:32:13,408
least once before there has

1202
00:32:13,408 --> 00:32:14,420
been a lot of research and a

1203
00:32:14,420 --> 00:32:16,442
lot of veterinarians are

1204
00:32:17,780 --> 00:32:20,780
changing their policy on the

1205
00:32:20,748 --> 00:32:21,583
age because especially in large

1206
00:32:21,583 --> 00:32:25,183
breed male dogs there were some

1207
00:32:28,289 --> 00:32:28,991
much higher incidence

1208
00:32:28,991 --> 00:32:31,391
of osteosarcoma bone cancer

1209
00:32:32,594 --> 00:32:33,329
right long bone cancer in

1210
00:32:33,329 --> 00:32:35,729
labradors, golden retrievers a

1211
00:32:36,398 --> 00:32:37,990
lot of the popular large breed

1212
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:37,800
dogs and retrospective studies

1213
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,360
just found out that there was

1214
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:41,603
definitely a connection between

1215
00:32:41,603 --> 00:32:44,603
that and now and their

1216
00:32:44,606 --> 00:32:45,740
recommendation is between 12

1217
00:32:45,740 --> 00:32:47,740
and 24 months.

1218
00:32:49,244 --> 00:32:50,120
Now I don't know that needs to

1219
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,247
be put in the ordinance this is

1220
00:32:52,247 --> 00:32:53,150
MAY be for your yeah so

1221
00:32:53,150 --> 00:32:53,816
something that we did after we

1222
00:32:53,816 --> 00:32:56,619
had spoken about that last time

1223
00:32:56,619 --> 00:32:57,286
so I obviously you know took

1224
00:32:57,286 --> 00:32:57,986
your words and move forward

1225
00:32:57,986 --> 00:32:59,821
with that there is a medical

1226
00:32:59,821 --> 00:33:00,389
exemption in there so if any

1227
00:33:00,389 --> 00:33:01,123
veterinarian makes any

1228
00:33:01,123 --> 00:33:03,259
statement saying that for any

1229
00:33:03,259 --> 00:33:03,926
medical purpose this dog cannot

1230
00:33:03,926 --> 00:33:06,962
or shall not be spayed or

1231
00:33:06,962 --> 00:33:07,696
neutered until this age that

1232
00:33:07,696 --> 00:33:08,331
medical exemption would apply.

1233
00:33:08,331 --> 00:33:08,997
So if you yourself as a

1234
00:33:08,997 --> 00:33:11,200
veterinarian said, you know,

1235
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:11,901
this is a male great dane, I

1236
00:33:11,901 --> 00:33:14,103
don't believe he should be

1237
00:33:14,103 --> 00:33:14,870
neutered until two years and

1238
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:15,538
you wrote us a letter you'd be

1239
00:33:15,538 --> 00:33:16,305
exempt and we would not be

1240
00:33:16,305 --> 00:33:19,305
enforcing any spay neuter upon

1241
00:33:22,511 --> 00:33:23,579
that person

1242
00:33:23,579 --> 00:33:25,579
.

1243
00:33:28,150 --> 00:33:28,717
That's that's about all I got.

1244
00:33:28,717 --> 00:33:30,717
Any other questions?

1245
00:33:31,820 --> 00:33:32,822
Input.

1246
00:33:32,822 --> 00:33:37,220
I don't have my notes at home.

1247
00:33:37,827 --> 00:33:38,261
No, no, it was a dog.

1248
00:33:38,261 --> 00:33:40,229
>> eat up.

1249
00:33:40,229 --> 00:33:40,496
Just get a play with the arrow

1250
00:33:40,496 --> 00:33:41,230
dog.

1251
00:33:41,230 --> 00:33:43,465
they were all how little typos

1252
00:33:43,465 --> 00:33:43,999
do you want do you want to hear

1253
00:33:43,999 --> 00:33:44,700
about those later?

1254
00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:45,234
Like can I type them up and

1255
00:33:45,234 --> 00:33:47,700
send them to you?

1256
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:47,904
Yeah you can that's for sure.

1257
00:33:47,904 --> 00:33:48,771
>> yeah well I mean this will

1258
00:33:48,771 --> 00:33:51,106
go through just so that you

1259
00:33:51,106 --> 00:33:51,507
know we'll probably go back

1260
00:33:51,507 --> 00:33:53,507
through it.

1261
00:33:54,377 --> 00:33:54,744
We've noticed some mistakes

1262
00:33:54,744 --> 00:33:55,444
ourselves.

1263
00:33:55,444 --> 00:33:57,844
>> it's honestly writing an

1264
00:33:58,982 --> 00:33:59,615
ordinances a very complicated

1265
00:33:59,615 --> 00:34:02,150
it's not complicated it's

1266
00:34:02,719 --> 00:34:03,419
tedious where you delete and

1267
00:34:03,419 --> 00:34:04,120
underline and cross and when

1268
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:04,820
you're doing that it doesn't

1269
00:34:04,820 --> 00:34:07,189
always catch everything which

1270
00:34:07,189 --> 00:34:07,890
leads to the typos and the

1271
00:34:07,890 --> 00:34:08,191
spacing issue and stuff like

1272
00:34:08,191 --> 00:34:10,191
that.

1273
00:34:10,927 --> 00:34:11,695
>> but from here we'll go back

1274
00:34:11,695 --> 00:34:14,764
over it, try to get it cleaned

1275
00:34:14,764 --> 00:34:15,232
up with some of the notes that

1276
00:34:15,232 --> 00:34:15,865
you've given us.

1277
00:34:15,865 --> 00:34:16,633
We'll talk to the chief

1278
00:34:16,633 --> 00:34:19,340
of police who will talk to the

1279
00:34:19,340 --> 00:34:19,802
city manager and then they will

1280
00:34:19,802 --> 00:34:22,571
decide when to bring it forward

1281
00:34:22,571 --> 00:34:23,306
to commission and maybe if they

1282
00:34:23,306 --> 00:34:25,642
would like to have a public

1283
00:34:25,642 --> 00:34:26,242
workshop with other citizens

1284
00:34:26,242 --> 00:34:26,910
maybe coming in, being

1285
00:34:26,910 --> 00:34:29,310
involved, that's always a

1286
00:34:29,745 --> 00:34:30,747
possibility.

1287
00:34:30,747 --> 00:34:33,182
I suspect this will take a 6 to

1288
00:34:33,182 --> 00:34:33,816
8 months time frame to get

1289
00:34:33,816 --> 00:34:35,816
fully through commission.

1290
00:34:36,452 --> 00:34:37,453
>> it is two readings.

1291
00:34:37,453 --> 00:34:40,390
We've got a few things that are

1292
00:34:40,390 --> 00:34:40,790
pressing on the commission

1293
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:41,591
right now.

1294
00:34:41,591 --> 00:34:44,761
We also have holidays coming up

1295
00:34:44,761 --> 00:34:48,300
and like I said this is a

1296
00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:48,664
rewrite of a whole chapter so

1297
00:34:48,664 --> 00:34:49,366
this is chapter 18 being

1298
00:34:49,366 --> 00:34:52,366
completely kind of gutted and

1299
00:34:52,769 --> 00:34:53,503
rewritten and reformatted.

1300
00:34:53,503 --> 00:34:53,837
So that takes a little bit

1301
00:34:53,837 --> 00:34:55,837
longer.

1302
00:34:56,807 --> 00:34:57,774
That's why I always love to

1303
00:34:57,774 --> 00:34:59,810
give 6 to 8 months and if I get

1304
00:34:59,810 --> 00:35:00,777
it done in four I have

1305
00:35:00,777 --> 00:35:03,146
delivered so well I think I can

1306
00:35:03,146 --> 00:35:04,140
I certainly feel better.

1307
00:35:04,140 --> 00:35:07,510
>> excuse me MAY please ask you

1308
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:07,918
to speak into your microphone.

1309
00:35:07,918 --> 00:35:10,788
You're not coming a three okay.

1310
00:35:10,788 --> 00:35:14,658
I think if I could have that

1311
00:35:14,658 --> 00:35:15,525
copy of that old ordinance I

1312
00:35:15,525 --> 00:35:17,660
think I could do a much more

1313
00:35:17,660 --> 00:35:18,429
complete job.

1314
00:35:18,429 --> 00:35:21,265
You know, from a veterinarian

1315
00:35:21,265 --> 00:35:22,660
standpoint of evaluating these

1316
00:35:22,660 --> 00:35:25,660
these additions and or changes

1317
00:35:26,269 --> 00:35:29,440
so I think we need it unless I

1318
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,207
come I'll go through it all and

1319
00:35:30,207 --> 00:35:30,474
I don't come up with anything

1320
00:35:30,474 --> 00:35:32,474
new.

1321
00:35:32,810 --> 00:35:33,544
I would think we need to at

1322
00:35:33,544 --> 00:35:34,100
least have one more meeting.

1323
00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:36,100
>> that's fine.

1324
00:35:36,313 --> 00:35:37,181
That's fine.

1325
00:35:37,181 --> 00:35:41,251
So what I'll do is I'll have

1326
00:35:41,251 --> 00:35:44,200
either MISS Evans send it to

1327
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:44,988
your MR. Taylor hardy and send

1328
00:35:44,988 --> 00:35:48,158
it to you a copy of chapter 18

1329
00:35:48,158 --> 00:35:48,892
as written and then that's the

1330
00:35:48,892 --> 00:35:51,361
current that's the current or

1331
00:35:51,361 --> 00:35:52,950
okay downloaded from muni

1332
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:55,566
code directly sent to you and

1333
00:35:55,566 --> 00:35:56,500
then we'll send you the copy

1334
00:35:56,500 --> 00:36:00,400
that we have again which is the

1335
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:00,838
change one which you will see

1336
00:36:00,838 --> 00:36:02,673
the strike thrus and the cross

1337
00:36:02,673 --> 00:36:03,441
out.

1338
00:36:03,441 --> 00:36:06,411
I would disregard all the other

1339
00:36:06,411 --> 00:36:07,144
copies you have at this point

1340
00:36:07,144 --> 00:36:09,713
and just look at those two.

1341
00:36:09,713 --> 00:36:10,381
So the one from chapter 18 is

1342
00:36:10,381 --> 00:36:12,916
currently in the books and

1343
00:36:12,916 --> 00:36:13,551
passed and codified the one and

1344
00:36:13,551 --> 00:36:16,551
that's what we work off

1345
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:17,488
of what's been codified and

1346
00:36:17,488 --> 00:36:18,222
then we'll go from there and we

1347
00:36:18,222 --> 00:36:21,222
can plan to have another

1348
00:36:21,592 --> 00:36:25,620
meeting maybe in DECEMBER if we

1349
00:36:25,620 --> 00:36:25,897
can convene it sooner will

1350
00:36:25,897 --> 00:36:26,698
email you guys and see if we

1351
00:36:26,698 --> 00:36:28,866
can get you here sooner so that

1352
00:36:28,866 --> 00:36:29,567
we can get the ball rolling but

1353
00:36:29,567 --> 00:36:30,340
we can shoot for DECEMBER to

1354
00:36:30,340 --> 00:36:30,468
bring it back.

1355
00:36:30,468 --> 00:36:32,136
>> okay, good.

1356
00:36:32,136 --> 00:36:33,304
Thank you.

1357
00:36:33,304 --> 00:36:36,808
>> and I want to thank you for

1358
00:36:36,808 --> 00:36:37,842
going I think above and beyond

1359
00:36:37,842 --> 00:36:39,677
I know I do this at the state

1360
00:36:39,677 --> 00:36:40,511
level.

1361
00:36:40,511 --> 00:36:41,278
I'm CHAIRMAN Of the state board

1362
00:36:41,278 --> 00:36:44,215
of veterinary medicine and they

1363
00:36:44,215 --> 00:36:47,850
have just recently done a lot

1364
00:36:47,850 --> 00:36:47,952
of changes and in our chapter

1365
00:36:47,952 --> 00:36:51,422
474 I know how difficult it is

1366
00:36:51,422 --> 00:36:51,755
to write rules and regulations.

1367
00:36:51,755 --> 00:36:53,755
>> yeah.

1368
00:36:53,891 --> 00:36:54,759
I mean prior to the to the

1369
00:36:54,759 --> 00:36:55,526
sachs months that it will now

1370
00:36:55,526 --> 00:36:56,260
take to move forward from this

1371
00:36:56,260 --> 00:36:58,630
I've been working on this for

1372
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:59,397
probably 7 or 8 months alone

1373
00:36:59,397 --> 00:37:02,133
and that includes reaching out

1374
00:37:02,133 --> 00:37:02,801
to some of the the pinnacle

1375
00:37:02,801 --> 00:37:03,134
animal welfare agencies in

1376
00:37:03,134 --> 00:37:03,802
florida.

1377
00:37:03,802 --> 00:37:06,300
>> you know brevard county

1378
00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:06,671
animal services, lee county

1379
00:37:06,671 --> 00:37:07,405
animal services looking at

1380
00:37:07,405 --> 00:37:10,308
agencies like that and seeing

1381
00:37:10,308 --> 00:37:11,900
the strides and the directions

1382
00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:11,743
that they're taking and then

1383
00:37:11,743 --> 00:37:14,212
kind of building what fits for

1384
00:37:14,212 --> 00:37:14,979
our city based off of that.

1385
00:37:14,979 --> 00:37:17,382
>> so I very much appreciate

1386
00:37:17,382 --> 00:37:18,830
that they do so much and I know

1387
00:37:18,830 --> 00:37:21,386
it's a little bit sometimes a

1388
00:37:21,386 --> 00:37:22,153
little bit frustrating when you

1389
00:37:22,153 --> 00:37:22,454
get things oh I got this just

1390
00:37:22,454 --> 00:37:23,121
right.

1391
00:37:23,121 --> 00:37:25,223
>> this is exactly what I

1392
00:37:25,223 --> 00:37:25,857
wanted to say and somebody

1393
00:37:25,857 --> 00:37:26,592
comes up with a little

1394
00:37:26,592 --> 00:37:29,610
something that kind of throws

1395
00:37:29,610 --> 00:37:30,280
it off the rail a little bit.

1396
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,364
I know how how that can be a

1397
00:37:32,364 --> 00:37:33,131
little discouraging and I never

1398
00:37:33,131 --> 00:37:33,798
want to be that person but I

1399
00:37:33,798 --> 00:37:36,501
certainly think I do have

1400
00:37:36,501 --> 00:37:37,368
something to contribute on some

1401
00:37:37,368 --> 00:37:40,205
of these and I can see from my

1402
00:37:40,205 --> 00:37:40,939
experience the wording

1403
00:37:40,939 --> 00:37:41,539
of something is going to cause

1404
00:37:41,539 --> 00:37:43,939
trouble down the road.

1405
00:37:44,175 --> 00:37:44,677
I certainly bring it up just

1406
00:37:44,677 --> 00:37:45,477
for that reason.

1407
00:37:45,477 --> 00:37:48,413
Just just want to try and get

1408
00:37:48,413 --> 00:37:48,914
it right first time.

1409
00:37:48,914 --> 00:37:49,948
>> yeah totally.

1410
00:37:49,948 --> 00:37:52,518
Not sure that as much as we can

1411
00:37:52,518 --> 00:37:53,284
the mission of the mission

1412
00:37:53,284 --> 00:37:53,986
of my mission and your guys is

1413
00:37:53,986 --> 00:37:54,286
mission is the same thing,

1414
00:37:54,286 --> 00:37:55,787
right?

1415
00:37:55,787 --> 00:37:56,555
>> we want that just for the

1416
00:37:56,555 --> 00:37:56,988
animals inside the city of new

1417
00:37:56,988 --> 00:37:58,988
smyrna beach.

1418
00:37:59,425 --> 00:38:00,259
So your feedback anything that

1419
00:38:00,259 --> 00:38:00,692
you guys give me I don't take

1420
00:38:00,692 --> 00:38:01,426
it personally.

1421
00:38:01,426 --> 00:38:02,961
>> you know, like you said, it

1422
00:38:02,961 --> 00:38:03,628
is something I've worked on

1423
00:38:03,628 --> 00:38:04,329
passionately and dedicatedly

1424
00:38:04,329 --> 00:38:07,329
for the last several months.

1425
00:38:07,733 --> 00:38:08,500
>> but whatever we can do as a

1426
00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:09,235
group to move forward to make

1427
00:38:09,235 --> 00:38:11,337
sure we have the best of the

1428
00:38:11,337 --> 00:38:11,704
best is what I want.

1429
00:38:11,704 --> 00:38:12,104
Good deal.

1430
00:38:12,104 --> 00:38:14,104
All right.

1431
00:38:15,340 --> 00:38:15,908
So very good.

1432
00:38:15,908 --> 00:38:18,308
I think we're done.

1433
00:38:18,911 --> 00:38:19,544
Any other staff reports?

1434
00:38:19,544 --> 00:38:20,450
>> nothing from the city

1435
00:38:20,450 --> 00:38:22,450
attorney's office.

1436
00:38:22,581 --> 00:38:23,182
Okay.

1437
00:38:23,182 --> 00:38:23,615
>> any board members?

1438
00:38:23,615 --> 00:38:23,983
Any comments?

1439
00:38:23,983 --> 00:38:25,851
Questions?

1440
00:38:25,851 --> 00:38:26,118
No.

1441
00:38:26,118 --> 00:38:26,418
No.

1442
00:38:26,418 --> 00:38:28,418
Okay.

1443
00:38:29,755 --> 00:38:30,890
Oh, this is SEPTEMBER.

1444
00:38:30,890 --> 00:38:32,890
>> okay.

1445
00:38:33,259 --> 00:38:36,859
So we could meet once in

1446
00:38:37,630 --> 00:38:38,163
DECEMBER if not DECEMBER.

1447
00:38:38,163 --> 00:38:38,564
>> JANUARY perhaps?

1448
00:38:38,564 --> 00:38:38,865
Absolutely.

1449
00:38:38,865 --> 00:38:40,865
Okay.

1450
00:38:40,999 --> 00:38:44,599
Can be a problem at all.

1451
00:38:44,636 --> 00:38:45,704
okay.

1452
00:38:45,704 --> 00:38:48,374
We have no public so we have no

1453
00:38:48,374 --> 00:38:48,674
public comments.

1454
00:38:48,674 --> 00:38:50,674
Okay.

1455
00:38:52,878 --> 00:38:53,412
The move to adjourn you have a

1456
00:38:53,412 --> 00:38:54,980
motion to adjourn.

1457
00:38:54,980 --> 00:38:55,348
>> do we have a second?

1458
00:38:55,348 --> 00:38:55,881
>> second.

1459
00:38:55,881 --> 00:38:56,449
All those in favor

1460
00:38:56,449 --> 00:38:58,584
of adjournment say hi.

1461
00:38:58,584 --> 00:38:59,285
Hi.

1462
00:38:59,285 --> 00:38:59,619
>> and you oppose motion

1463
00:38:59,619 --> 00:39:00,119
carries.

1464
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:00,586
We're adjourned.

1465
00:39:00,586 --> 00:39:01,654
Thank you guys.

1466
00:39:01,654 --> 00:39:03,000
Thank you.