[1:59] Mhm.
[4:14] » Okay, so I'm going to go into our
[4:16] meeting.
[4:17] So,
[4:19] we're going to go to confirmation of the
[4:21] agenda. I'm going to go over to clerk.
[4:24] Be it resolved that the agenda for the
[4:25] special council meeting held on June 17,
[4:27] 2026 be confirmed as circulated.
[4:30] Councillor Best, thank you. Councillor
[4:32] Jacks, thank you. That's mover and
[4:34] seconder. All those in favor?
[4:37] That's carried. Thank you, Council.
[4:39] Disclosures of pecuniary interest.
[4:42] This is when members of Council identify
[4:43] any disclosures of pecuniary interest
[4:45] and the reason thereof.
[4:47] If you find yourself in that position as
[4:48] we go through the evening, please notify
[4:51] the chair. And Councillor Rappin,
[4:53] please.
[4:55] » I declare pecuniary interest in the
[4:58] sports dome, item one. I'm a contractor.
[5:02] And if you've seen my brand new truck
[5:03] out in the parking lot and all the paint
[5:05] splashed around it, then you know what
[5:06] it is I'm doing for them.
[5:08] Thank you.
[5:11] » I thought you were parked too close
[5:12] under a tree when I saw that white stuff
[5:14] on it, but that's just me.
[5:16] Um so anyhow, okay, so we have a
[5:17] conflict of interest.
[5:20] So,
[5:21] good evening, everyone, and welcome. On
[5:23] behalf of Council, I'd like to thank you
[5:24] for being here this evening and for your
[5:26] interest in the matters that are before
[5:28] us tonight.
[5:29] This evening's meeting will begin with
[5:31] the scheduled presentation, after which
[5:33] Council will hear from the registered
[5:35] deputations before opening the floor to
[5:37] members of the public.
[5:39] In the interest of respecting everyone's
[5:41] time, we would ask you to keep your
[5:43] deputations to a maximum of 7 minutes
[5:47] and have one spokesperson per
[5:49] organization or community group
[5:51] to ensure everyone has a chance to speak
[5:53] before council tonight.
[5:55] At the conclusion of the deputations,
[5:57] council will then move into discussion,
[5:59] consideration of reports, and ask
[6:01] questions.
[6:03] So, we appreciate everyone's cooperation
[6:04] helping the meeting proceed in an
[6:06] orderly and respectful manner.
[6:08] And after the presentations and the
[6:10] deputations, depending on the time, uh
[6:13] as the chair, I may call a 5-10 minute
[6:15] break and then convene everybody back.
[6:17] So, please be on time
[6:19] if we get to that stage. I appreciate
[6:21] that. Thank you very much.
[6:26] So, we're going to move right in and
[6:29] the first item is number one. I'm going
[6:30] to go to um
[6:33] our director, Mobs, please. I I do have
[6:35] a question though before we begin. The
[6:37] items are placed on the agenda one, two,
[6:39] and three.
[6:40] What was the rationale on how they were
[6:42] placed on the agenda, please?
[6:46] » Thank you, Mayor Norcross, to members of
[6:48] council and to the audience. The
[6:49] sequencing of the three reports uh is
[6:52] important is important for council
[6:53] consideration today. The first study,
[6:56] the sports dome study, allows council
[6:58] the opportunity to expand indoor turfs
[7:00] turf sports in New Tecumseth to
[7:02] accommodate sports such as soccer and
[7:04] baseball, among others. Should council
[7:06] approve this project, council's programs
[7:09] currently located in the field house
[7:10] could effectively be moved to the sports
[7:12] dome.
[7:13] This then brings up the opportunity to
[7:15] review the pool feasibility study, which
[7:17] includes an expansion of the NTRC to
[7:20] repurpose the field house. If the sports
[7:22] dome in the first report is not
[7:23] approved, this effectively limits the
[7:26] opportunities in the second report, um
[7:28] which includes repurposing the field
[7:30] house to include sports like ball
[7:32] hockey, roller derby, as well as
[7:34] pickleball.
[7:35] This then presents what I call the third
[7:36] domino. The Beeton Community Centre
[7:38] project, as council knows knows, has
[7:40] many moving parts, including the option
[7:42] to have ice or non-ice programs within
[7:44] Beaton. Should council choose to approve
[7:46] the sports dome, this presents an
[7:48] opportunity to reimagine the field house
[7:50] at the NTRC to relocate programs into
[7:52] into the field house, and then possibly
[7:55] accommodate dry sports such as ball
[7:56] hockey into the NTRC field house. So,
[8:00] without making a decision on the first
[8:02] report, it's difficult to make decisions
[8:03] on the second report. The The
[8:05] recommendations would have to be
[8:06] modified, and then as well as the third
[8:08] report. So, just to give council all
[8:10] options in sequence to be able to
[8:12] consider a systems-wide approach to
[8:14] delivering recreation infrastructure.
[8:17] >> Thank you for that very detailed
[8:19] » Thank you for that very detailed
[8:19] explanation, Director. And my other
[8:21] question, these are questions that I've
[8:23] received from members of the public.
[8:25] Is there anywhere in the reports tonight
[8:27] that are making a recommendation
[8:30] to demolish
[8:32] the AMA or remove it from programming?
[8:37] » Uh through your worship, to members of
[8:38] council and the audience, uh in the
[8:40] three reports included today for council
[8:42] consideration, there's no rec-
[8:44] recommendations pertaining to the AMA.
[8:48] >> Thank you very much. So, Director Mobbs,
[8:50] » Thank you very much. So, Director Mobbs,
[8:50] first up we have our presentation. And
[8:52] the first one, sports dome phase two
[8:54] feasibility report. So, Director Mobbs,
[8:56] can you introduce your team and who will
[8:58] be making the presentation, please?
[9:05] » Uh thank you, Mayor Norcross. Through
[9:07] Through you, to members of council and
[9:08] the audience, our first presentation
[9:10] this evening relates to the sports dome
[9:12] feasibility study phase two. This work
[9:15] builds on the town's earlier analysis
[9:16] and provides council with detailed
[9:18] information on facility sizing, capital
[9:21] and operating considerations, and staff
[9:23] recommended operating model.
[9:25] The study identifies strong and growing
[9:27] demand for indoor turf
[9:28] turf
[9:29] sports, and evaluates a full-size FIFA
[9:32] standard dome at Jeff Gaston Sports Park
[9:35] as the preferred solution.
[9:37] It also aligns how the facility could be
[9:39] delivered and operated in a way that
[9:41] balances financial sustainability with
[9:43] community access and public benefit.
[9:46] Staff have confirmed with both SSU and
[9:48] the president of the New Tecumseth
[9:49] Baseball Association that this would be
[9:51] a welcome addition that will enhance
[9:53] service levels, making this amenity a
[9:55] true multi-sport facility. NTBA could
[9:58] not attend tonight, though that they
[9:59] send their regrets and have indicated
[10:00] they support this project. I will now
[10:03] turn it over to Steve Langlois, vice
[10:05] president and principal planner with
[10:06] Monteith Brown Planning Consultants,
[10:08] who's joining us virtually this evening.
[10:10] So, through you, Mayor, with your
[10:12] permission, I'll turn it over to Mr.
[10:13] Langlois.
[10:14] >> Thank you.
[10:15] » Thank you.
[10:15] >> Thank you, Director. Go ahead, sir.
[10:18] » Thank you, Director. Go ahead, sir.
[10:18] >> Excellent. Good evening,
[10:20] » Excellent. Good evening,
[10:20] your your worship and members of
[10:22] council. I'm excited to share our team's
[10:26] findings and vision for a new
[10:27] air-supported dome in New Tecumseth. I
[10:30] also appreciate you accommodating me
[10:32] remotely this evening.
[10:34] Also joining me online and will be
[10:36] available for Q&A, should you have any
[10:38] questions relative to the business plan
[10:40] component of this report, is John
[10:42] Frittenburg of the JF Group. So, we can
[10:45] call on John as needed later on in the
[10:47] evening.
[10:48] Next slide, please.
[10:52] So, to start, the sports dome
[10:54] feasibility study addresses the indoor
[10:56] turf requirements of a growing
[10:57] community. This report, this process
[11:01] really has been divided into two phases.
[11:03] A reminder that the first phase, which
[11:06] was led by staff and culminated in a
[11:08] report to council in November of 20 last
[11:11] year, was
[11:14] really helped to lay the groundwork for
[11:16] this
[11:17] more detailed feasibility study in phase
[11:19] two.
[11:20] One of the items that it did do and and
[11:22] council had resolved to select Jeff S.
[11:25] Gallant Sports Park as the preferred
[11:27] location for the sports dome.
[11:29] The work that's before you today is
[11:31] phase two. It's a more detailed
[11:33] feasibility study.
[11:35] Uh, looks at space needs, capital cost,
[11:38] operating cost, business model, and
[11:40] potential partnerships.
[11:42] Uh, the study itself does do a goes into
[11:45] a great deal of of detail around
[11:48] facility needs. Those needs have been
[11:50] informed by public input and user group
[11:52] requests, uh, partially through the
[11:55] broader, um,
[11:56] recreation planning initiatives that
[11:57] have been ongoing over the last number
[11:59] of months. Also looked at usage levels,
[12:02] other limitations relative to the
[12:04] existing infrastructure, and and
[12:06] potentially, um,
[12:08] what those regional supplies, regional
[12:10] demand might be. A facility like this
[12:12] has the potential to draw from a larger
[12:15] area, and that's a consideration
[12:17] within the report as well.
[12:19] Uh, and as noted, really the project has
[12:21] been coordinated with a variety of other
[12:23] ongoing initiatives. So, it's a great
[12:25] time to do this holistic and and
[12:28] comprehensive planning. So, we're happy
[12:29] to have this report in front of council
[12:31] for your consideration today. Next
[12:33] slide.
[12:37] Uh, to set the stage, you'd you'd be
[12:38] aware that field turf activities,
[12:41] indoor,
[12:42] uh, so this is something that is used
[12:44] largely during the, uh,
[12:46] late fall, winter, and early spring
[12:49] months are accommodated through the
[12:51] field house at the existing field house
[12:53] at the new tech, uh, new tech comes with
[12:55] recreation center. That field house was
[12:58] designed to be converted into an arena
[13:00] or or other form of rink. So, it's
[13:02] designed as, um, that that particular
[13:06] type of dimension, generally like a 200
[13:09] by 85 ft NHL size type of, uh, floor
[13:13] area.
[13:15] Um, that's been somewhat limiting for,
[13:18] uh, for full use of the space by your
[13:22] sports associations, uh, but it's
[13:24] certainly been, uh, progressive and and
[13:26] has been well used by the by the
[13:28] community for the last number of years.
[13:31] Uh we're excited for the opportunity
[13:32] that the new sports dome will bring
[13:34] because it allows us to look more
[13:35] closely at that space and and reimagine
[13:38] it for other in-demand uses that will be
[13:40] guided by the work that's forthcoming
[13:43] out of the action plan and I understand
[13:45] Councillor Mallows will have an update
[13:47] on that shortly
[13:49] later this evening.
[13:50] So as noted, the South Simcoe United
[13:52] Football Club or SSU is seeking a larger
[13:55] venue to support year-round play and
[13:57] training including economic tournament
[14:00] tournaments that would provide local
[14:02] economic spin-offs.
[14:04] Next slide.
[14:08] The proposed sports dome is intended to
[14:10] offer flexible spaces for a variety of
[14:12] activities in a year-round setting. So
[14:14] this is a dome that would stay up
[14:16] year-round. It would allow for
[14:18] climate-controlled access 12 months of
[14:20] the year.
[14:22] It really has an ability to address a
[14:25] very wide range of needs.
[14:27] While it will be primarily used for
[14:29] soccer, we and and on that point, we
[14:31] know that SSU currently serves around
[14:33] 3,900 players and
[14:36] has a waitlist, has a very successful
[14:40] winter program, has a very successful
[14:42] summer program and the dome would set it
[14:45] up for success for both of those
[14:47] programs moving forward for the for the
[14:50] foreseeable future.
[14:52] In addition to soccer, it will have
[14:55] utility for a wide range of other
[14:56] activities, baseball certainly being
[14:58] among them. Baseball training is really
[15:00] what we're looking at. Demand to get
[15:03] some early season preseason
[15:06] type of skills training.
[15:08] Other field sports, many of which are
[15:11] easily modified to to use a space such
[15:13] as this.
[15:14] And it's not just sports, but moving
[15:16] further into town programming, camps,
[15:19] rentals, birthday parties, events and
[15:21] more.
[15:22] Next slide.
[15:25] So, our study went
[15:27] looked very closely at the potential
[15:29] market for a facility like this. That
[15:31] helps us identify demand and come up
[15:33] with a usage profile for for the
[15:36] facility.
[15:37] Um that's going and and which in turn
[15:39] allowed us to better understand the
[15:42] configuration that would be best suited
[15:45] to Tecumseth both now and into the
[15:47] future.
[15:48] Um currently, there's about 190,000
[15:51] people really within market catchment
[15:54] for this facility. They're not all your
[15:56] residents.
[15:57] Um you know, 50,000 or or or so are are
[16:00] are in New Tecumseth.
[16:02] There's a secondary market in
[16:03] Adjala-Tosorontio, Essa, and tertiary in
[16:07] Innisfil and Bradford West Gwillimbury.
[16:10] Right now, there's only one dome,
[16:12] a much smaller, you know, a relatively
[16:14] small dome in Bradford. It is at
[16:16] capacity, and there's
[16:18] much latent demand in that community as
[16:20] well.
[16:22] Um on this basis, the analysis found
[16:24] that a small dome, and and I'll show you
[16:26] a bit of a graphic on this in a moment.
[16:28] We're going to use two two terms, small
[16:30] and large.
[16:31] Uh small being sort of these two
[16:32] small-sided fields, large being twice
[16:35] the size, more of a FIFA equivalent, uh
[16:39] would be So, a small dome would be
[16:41] unable to support current and future
[16:42] demand.
[16:45] Um and is also something that's uh has
[16:47] not been supported by SSU in their
[16:49] program model. And I think that's an
[16:51] important consideration as well.
[16:55] Next slide.
[16:59] So, a little further on sort of those
[17:01] those two size options that I uh
[17:04] spoke to there. The phase one study
[17:06] recommended that small dome, about
[17:07] 60,000 square feet,
[17:09] uh that would consist of of two, you
[17:11] know, divisible into two programmable
[17:13] spaces.
[17:15] Um this is not recommended. It'd be
[17:17] insufficient to support that existing
[17:19] and future demand. Doesn't meet those
[17:21] technical requirements of your local
[17:23] user groups. And uh, would be very
[17:26] limited use during the summer season.
[17:30] Uh, rather our report recommends the
[17:33] larger dome option.
[17:34] Uh, so
[17:36] about 100,000 square feet give or take
[17:38] consisting of four small-sided fields.
[17:40] So, doubling from two to four playable
[17:43] surfaces.
[17:44] Uh, usage can still occur on a large
[17:46] template, but what we find with these
[17:48] facilities most of it occurs on these
[17:50] smaller small-sided fields. This is
[17:52] something that SSU uh, is supportive of
[17:55] as a practice, game, and tournament
[17:57] venue.
[17:58] Um,
[17:59] that would offer multiple multi-sport
[18:01] functionality, greater options for town
[18:03] programming, rentals. Uh, would be able
[18:06] to the town would be able to grow into
[18:08] it as as demand continues to build. And
[18:11] um, interestingly also has greater
[18:13] potential for summer use. As as you'll
[18:15] see in a moment, the idea is to um,
[18:18] erect this dome over a an existing
[18:21] outdoor soccer field. We don't want to
[18:23] lose that space during the summer. Uh,
[18:25] we want to be able to make sure it
[18:27] continues to be programmed. The the
[18:29] large dome option offers that. Next
[18:32] slide.
[18:35] So, I mentioned the field layout a
[18:37] little um, just to to hammer home I
[18:39] guess the point of what we are looking
[18:41] at. You'll see a graphic uh, there on
[18:43] your right.
[18:45] And and if you've been in domes or in
[18:47] the return venues across the province,
[18:49] there is
[18:50] not generally one standard size for
[18:52] them. Uh, some are are played on very
[18:55] modified structures.
[18:57] Um, so
[18:59] but in designing this from the start, we
[19:00] have the opportunity design with
[19:01] intention and with end use in mind. Most
[19:05] of the soccer that you do see and most
[19:07] of the baseball training and a lot of
[19:09] the other sports will use these sort of
[19:11] small-sided fields which are really 7v7,
[19:14] so seven players on a side, 10 plates.
[19:17] Uh you'll see the large dome, the FIFA
[19:19] option, which is recommended by um the
[19:21] study, allows for four of those. The
[19:24] smaller dome option would really,
[19:27] you know, take about half of that space.
[19:29] Uh so, it would offer two of those uh to
[19:32] allow for
[19:33] two concurrent activities as opposed to
[19:35] four.
[19:36] Next slide.
[19:40] As noted, an existing full-size grass
[19:42] field would be converted to artificial
[19:44] turf and domed for all-season use.
[19:47] You'll see a bit of a graphic there and
[19:48] have others as we go through the
[19:50] presentation on what this could look
[19:51] like in Jeff Gaston Park. This is an
[19:54] image that's really sort of looking
[19:56] south. Uh you'll see the
[19:59] more or less the existing roadway and
[20:01] entrance into the park. You'll see your
[20:03] wastewater plant. Um
[20:06] uh some of those silos there um sort of
[20:08] poking into that graphic. So, this is um
[20:13] I believe it's field one. I could be
[20:14] wrong on that, but it'll be the the the
[20:15] first major field that you see as you
[20:17] drive into the complex. That's the
[20:19] location of the dome.
[20:21] The
[20:22] uh importantly here, the dome would also
[20:24] be supported by uh a support building.
[20:27] This would be a permanent structure. Uh
[20:29] it would be you can sort of see it
[20:31] through the transparency, really on sort
[20:33] of the south side, so at the top end of
[20:35] of that dome. This building would
[20:37] provide washrooms for uh year-round use
[20:39] of the dome as well as summer use of the
[20:41] entire site. Right now, uh
[20:43] the the site is served uh does not is
[20:45] not serviced and is
[20:48] supported by uh portable washrooms
[20:51] throughout the summer year. This is uh
[20:53] improvements to the site such as this
[20:55] were recommended in the town's uh 2024
[20:58] Parks, Trails, and Open Space Plan.
[21:01] By siting this uh dome on this
[21:03] particular site, uh and with SSU
[21:06] indicating that they would it would they
[21:08] would continue to use this site to
[21:09] accommodate their summer programming, it
[21:12] results in no net loss of fields.
[21:14] And additionally, there's a potential to
[21:16] establish a new 9 v 9 grass field near
[21:18] the eastern perimeter of the park. So,
[21:20] that field that you see that outdoor
[21:22] field not shown on this graphic, that
[21:23] would be new as needs allow. Uh,
[21:26] currently that's a fallow uh,
[21:28] property. Um, a little bit low, but some
[21:31] of the fill could be uh, transferred to
[21:33] that location. And uh, we stay out of
[21:36] any sort of NVCA regulated limits with
[21:38] that.
[21:40] Uh, next slide will show the site plan.
[21:45] A bird's eye view. So, you'll see a
[21:48] slightly reconfigured entry drive into
[21:51] the property.
[21:52] >> [snorts]
[21:53] » [snorts]
[21:53] >> Uh, that's
[21:54] » Uh, that's
[21:54] an area that would be paved. It would
[21:56] allow for some paving of of portions of
[22:00] that parking lot. The
[22:04] for the most part existing field uh,
[22:06] configuration would remain and the dome
[22:08] goes over that large field as you enter
[22:11] into the property.
[22:12] Next slide.
[22:15] The proposed sports dome and all of the
[22:17] additional site work, so servicing, uh,
[22:21] uh, storm water and so on would uh,
[22:24] comes in a estimated capital cost of
[22:26] $10.5 million.
[22:29] This is total project cost. It's it's a
[22:31] class D project estimate. Um, there's
[22:34] many similar models in Ontario that have
[22:36] been built in in recent years
[22:38] in and around this number. Uh, we worked
[22:40] with uh, a landscape planning limited,
[22:43] uh, a group that has uh,
[22:45] designed and
[22:48] uh, worked on several of these dome
[22:49] projects in Ontario, including most
[22:52] recently in Brampton to help confirm
[22:54] those costs. Next slide.
[22:58] Now, in terms of operating model, uh,
[23:00] there are certainly many options and
[23:02] you'll see that throughout the province
[23:03] where other sectors are involved,
[23:05] whether municipal, uh, not-for-profit,
[23:07] or private. Um, and and really
[23:10] it's it's a matter of looking at the
[23:12] specific circumstances within your
[23:14] community to decide what the best fit
[23:16] is. Um, our recommendation is that the
[23:18] town, uh, be take the lead in developing
[23:21] and managing the proposed sports dome.
[23:24] Uh, there's a number of reasons for
[23:25] that. Uh, most notably, town operation
[23:27] helps to ensure fair scheduling and
[23:29] access for a range of community groups.
[23:32] Uh, while so again, soccer would likely
[23:34] be the most dominant, uh, renter of the
[23:36] space, it also allows for use with, uh,
[23:39] for use from from other sports, other
[23:40] activities, other town programming.
[23:43] Uh, the dome could also be coordinated
[23:45] with other town fields, facilities,
[23:47] recreation programs to optimize
[23:49] year-round use. Uh,
[23:51] you have you have control of it. Uh, you
[23:53] can, uh,
[23:54] use and leverage your recreation
[23:56] software, your marketing, and your other
[23:58] tools to make sure that it's, uh, used
[24:00] to its full benefit.
[24:02] And municipal oversight also prioritizes
[24:05] broad public benefit, affordability,
[24:07] inclusive programming. So, you set the
[24:09] rates, and you set the hours,
[24:11] uh, and and you, uh, hope to dictate,
[24:14] uh, how it's used and how it's, uh,
[24:16] benefits your community.
[24:18] Next slide.
[24:21] Uh, the dome itself, uh, from an
[24:23] operating perspective, and and we tend
[24:25] to approach these in a very conservative
[24:27] manner. Um,
[24:29] indoor turf, as a general rule, has the
[24:32] potential to be, um,
[24:35] I'll say I'll say revenue neutral. In
[24:37] some cases, it can be profitable, but
[24:39] there's there's always a story behind
[24:40] the story, and it depends how you're
[24:42] you're counting your costs. Um, and what
[24:45] I mean by that is
[24:46] if we just look at pure revenue
[24:49] uh, against costs,
[24:51] um, they're pretty close. Uh, and and
[24:52] this is in initial years of operation.
[24:54] We anticipate there would be some
[24:56] additional capacity in in the early
[24:58] years. As the municipality grows, that
[25:00] would
[25:02] it would reach more full capacity, so
[25:04] allow for better
[25:06] revenue generation without any real
[25:08] impact on costs.
[25:11] But it would have a slight surplus in in
[25:13] the initial in the initial years.
[25:16] However, there are certain elements of
[25:17] this, whether it be field turf itself,
[25:20] the dome fabric, the HVAC system, that
[25:23] they do have a finite life. And those
[25:25] are those are generally 15, you know,
[25:27] from around 12 to 15 years for the turf,
[25:30] 20 to 25 years potentially for the the
[25:33] dome fabric, the HVAC. So, we like to
[25:36] provide some full, you know, from fuller
[25:37] cost sort of accounting around this. If
[25:40] we look at
[25:43] what those replace capital replacement
[25:45] costs are, and if you're putting money
[25:47] away each year, so that when the year
[25:49] comes up for those items
[25:52] to be replaced, it's already there in
[25:54] reserve, that changes the equation a
[25:57] little bit, and the facility itself
[25:59] would have a net operational cost year
[26:02] over year in and around $276,000.
[26:06] Again, we anticipate that that will
[26:09] become more and more profitable
[26:12] over time as the community grows. Again,
[26:14] your costs stay relatively the same, but
[26:17] your revenue potential rises faster.
[26:20] And one last slide,
[26:23] just to give you a sense of what this
[26:25] could look like from a development
[26:26] perspective.
[26:28] There's there's a bit of site prep and
[26:30] servicing involved here, and that's
[26:32] really the bulk, frankly, of of the
[26:34] work. We have to consider seasonality
[26:35] and access to the site, and the ability
[26:38] to do the work without
[26:40] unduly impeding existing uses. So, we
[26:43] anticipate a development timeline of 12
[26:45] to 15 months. There's a number of steps
[26:47] that would be required by the town to
[26:50] step in and
[26:52] seek the necessary approvals, ready the
[26:54] site, work with partners to ensure that
[26:57] there's a solid understanding of of
[26:59] what's required there. So, there's still
[27:02] work ahead,
[27:03] but we're excited around this potential
[27:05] vision for the for the site and um
[27:09] with that I'll I'll conclude my
[27:11] presentation and I will hang back in the
[27:14] in the in the abyss here and wait to be
[27:16] called back on for any questions.
[27:19] >> Okay, thank you very much. I'm going to
[27:20] » Okay, thank you very much. I'm going to
[27:20] go to the director. Please, would you
[27:21] like to do the next one? Thank you.
[27:26] » Uh thank you, Your Worship. If I may,
[27:28] I'm happy to introduce the next
[27:29] presenter just so we can keep the the
[27:30] tempo going. Uh the next presentation,
[27:32] as they get ready, focuses on the indoor
[27:34] pool feasibility study. This work
[27:37] examines the need for indoor aquatic
[27:39] services in New Tecumseth and goes
[27:41] further by outlining a more
[27:42] comprehensive multi-use expansion at the
[27:44] NTRC that integrates recreation
[27:47] components, including a new gymnasium,
[27:49] walking track, an expanded wellness and
[27:51] fitness space, and some working
[27:53] amenities such as change rooms and
[27:55] program areas. This addition provides a
[27:57] systems-based approach for service
[27:59] delivery aligned with recommendations in
[28:01] the draft R plan.
[28:03] Staff have consistently heard residents
[28:05] express a desire for a true multi-use
[28:07] community center similar to neighboring
[28:09] municipalities. This work provides
[28:11] Council with the option to consider that
[28:13] type of integrated facility aligned with
[28:15] community needs and future growth. We'll
[28:17] now invite Anant Desai, principal
[28:19] planner with Monteith Brown Planning
[28:21] Consultants, to present and introduce
[28:23] his respective team.
[28:26] » Thank you, Director. Welcome. Go ahead,
[28:28] sir.
[28:29] >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of
[28:30] » Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of
[28:30] Council. Appreciate you having me here
[28:32] as well.
[28:34] Joining me, you've already met
[28:35] virtually, Steve Langlois and John
[28:37] Frittenburg. They were also involved in
[28:40] the pool analysis
[28:42] in that report. Also in person with me
[28:45] today is Victor Ziolkowski from MJMA
[28:48] Architecture and Design. Uh They helped
[28:50] with the conceptualization and the the
[28:53] costing, the capital costing. So,
[28:56] um
[28:56] So, yeah. So, we have the we have the
[28:59] slide deck up.
[29:01] As you
[29:02] are
[29:03] probably well aware, the topic of indoor
[29:05] aquatics has been something that has
[29:07] been
[29:08] you know, discussed in this community
[29:09] for a number of years. The last master
[29:11] plan in 2018
[29:14] spoke to the need for an indoor aquatic
[29:16] center.
[29:17] The draft recreation culture and library
[29:21] action plan, the ARCLAP, was presented
[29:23] to council in May.
[29:26] And at that time we would have mentioned
[29:28] and rationalized the need for indoor
[29:31] aquatics in your community. This study
[29:34] really now takes it to the next level
[29:36] where where we have established the need
[29:39] and are providing council with
[29:41] information
[29:42] regarding what this could look like,
[29:44] where it could go, ultimately what it
[29:47] may cost to build and operate. That is
[29:49] the intent of today's
[29:51] presentation to you. And the report also
[29:53] delves into the types of programming.
[29:55] Do I click or you?
[29:57] Okay. Next slide, please.
[30:03] So,
[30:04] as part of the broader analysis,
[30:08] your a number of your area
[30:10] municipalities provide indoor aquatic
[30:12] centers.
[30:13] There are within roughly a 35-minute
[30:15] drive, there are eight municipally built
[30:19] pools. There are a handful of other
[30:23] um
[30:24] public or sorry, quasi public or private
[30:26] sector pools than Auto Saga. For
[30:28] example, the the CFB Borden base.
[30:32] Um and and what we do find is that
[30:34] again, just with the linear distribution
[30:36] of your community,
[30:38] folks in Alliston tend to travel perhaps
[30:42] maybe more to Innisfil to CFB Borden. Um
[30:45] Folks in Tottenham as we understand may
[30:47] head into King or Caledon, maybe
[30:49] Orangeville. Folks in Beeton BWG hop
[30:52] skip and a jump away I suppose from
[30:54] from from that location.
[30:56] Next slide please.
[30:58] But
[31:00] really you know one thing that we did
[31:01] hear
[31:02] from the community is that getting into
[31:05] some of those non-municipal pools, the
[31:07] pools operated by your neighbors or the
[31:09] private sector.
[31:11] There may be non-resident fees or the
[31:13] residents of those municipalities will
[31:15] have kind of first dibs for
[31:17] registration. So you know there are some
[31:19] you know
[31:20] barriers I suppose
[31:22] that that your residents may face in
[31:24] accessing the pools operated by other
[31:26] municipalities. When we look at the
[31:28] private sector pools they might not be
[31:30] of a size or configuration that are
[31:33] suitable for all the range of aquatic
[31:35] programs that your
[31:37] community is looking for. And so again
[31:39] as you will recall perhaps from
[31:42] the the presentation back in January
[31:45] for both the arc lab and the pool study
[31:49] indoor aquatics really was
[31:51] by far what we heard the most about in
[31:54] terms of a community need.
[31:56] May not be a surprise to you folks again
[31:58] but
[31:59] you know really
[32:00] they it was the most popular activity
[32:03] recreationally that they reported doing.
[32:05] It was their top request for a type of
[32:07] facility.
[32:08] But they were also again looking beyond
[32:11] the the traditional
[32:13] lane swimming and lessons but hey can we
[32:15] do aqua fit? Can we get into more warm
[32:18] water or leisure
[32:19] type of aquatic experiences. So
[32:22] those are some of the things that that
[32:23] we had heard. Next slide please.
[32:27] So we undertook having established the
[32:31] need for the aquatic center we started
[32:34] to do a site selection
[32:36] analysis and we started off and and
[32:39] looked at just for for all intents and
[32:42] purposes,
[32:43] municipally owned properties, properties
[32:45] that you already have in your
[32:47] possession.
[32:48] And there are 259 of those.
[32:51] We went through those and applied a
[32:54] screening
[32:55] criteria
[32:57] based approach where we were able to
[32:59] shortlist those 259
[33:02] into what we believed were five viable
[33:05] candidates
[33:06] distributed across the town of New
[33:08] Tecumseth.
[33:10] Three of those sites were in Alliston,
[33:12] one in Beeton, one in Tottenham. So the
[33:15] sites that you see up there being the
[33:18] the high school,
[33:19] the Banting Homestead,
[33:22] and then the NTRC here in Alliston. We
[33:24] looked at the JOC
[33:26] in in Beeton,
[33:28] the Joint Operations Center, sorry, as
[33:29] well as then the Tottenham Community and
[33:32] Fitness Center.
[33:33] Some of the criteria that we looked at
[33:36] was proximity to residential
[33:37] populations,
[33:39] distribution in relation to other
[33:41] municipal facilities and services and
[33:43] parks,
[33:44] as well as schools.
[33:45] We looked at the transportation network,
[33:47] that's an important piece.
[33:49] Compatibility with surrounding land
[33:51] uses, co-location potential,
[33:54] so that if there was an opportunity to
[33:56] again create one-stop shop, some
[33:58] economies of scale in operation as well.
[34:00] That was part of the equation.
[34:02] Site readiness and
[34:05] obviously if there were any
[34:06] encumbrances, physical, legislative, or
[34:09] otherwise.
[34:10] And after all that shook out, the NTRC
[34:13] was was emerged as the preferred site
[34:17] for the
[34:18] indoor aquatic center. Next slide,
[34:20] please.
[34:23] So some of the again, when we look at
[34:25] the pros and cons of of the NTRC, really
[34:28] we do see that
[34:30] you know, again, by having an existing
[34:33] community center in in place, you have
[34:35] the potential to tie in and
[34:38] again, you're not necessarily
[34:39] duplicating staff one-for-one. There's
[34:42] already going to be staff working there.
[34:43] There's already programming that's
[34:45] occurring out of that facility.
[34:48] The site itself,
[34:50] you know, there are portions that that
[34:51] appear to be readily developable. We've
[34:53] checked with your engineering staff,
[34:55] your planning staff as well for insight
[34:57] there.
[34:58] It is located along a you know, again,
[35:01] you know, with Industrial Parkway, it's
[35:02] it's connection to County Road 10. You
[35:05] know, that that's readily accessible in
[35:08] terms of your transportation network,
[35:10] but
[35:11] the links bus goes back goes by there at
[35:13] the moment right now. There is sidewalk
[35:15] connection. So,
[35:17] you know, one major major factor though
[35:19] that
[35:21] you know, was was
[35:23] apparent with the NTRC.
[35:25] It is a site that is located probably in
[35:28] proximity to the largest number of of of
[35:30] people of all the sites considered.
[35:34] You know, by virtue of being in the
[35:35] Alliston settlement area, but also
[35:38] again, you know, by virtue of County
[35:40] Road 10 and other road networks access
[35:43] to Beeton
[35:44] and maybe even Tottenham to a degree. We
[35:46] felt was was was
[35:49] satisfactory.
[35:51] And you know, again, just in terms of
[35:53] maybe the cons one might want to think
[35:55] about the limitations.
[35:57] Again, we think the benefits outweigh
[35:59] some of these limitations, but you know,
[36:01] really it is surrounded by industrial
[36:03] land uses on on three sides largely.
[36:07] Two sides I guess.
[36:10] If one were to expand that site, really
[36:13] a pool and some other components as
[36:15] we'll talk about in a moment,
[36:17] that would take that site largely to
[36:19] build out when you factor in parking.
[36:20] So, you know, after a pool and some
[36:22] other
[36:24] amenities,
[36:25] That kind of what you're going to have
[36:27] there. Uh and really there were just
[36:30] some architectural nuances that that we,
[36:32] you know, saw, but our architectural
[36:34] team, as you'll see in a moment, uh has
[36:37] uh we believe been able to to address
[36:39] some of those concerns. Next slide.
[36:42] Uh
[36:42] so the folks at MGMA
[36:46] did
[36:48] some test fits really to the to the
[36:51] north, south, and west of the existing
[36:54] building. Uh we were able to make all of
[36:56] them work, but what we've uh you know,
[36:59] established as you know, what we felt
[37:00] would be preferred
[37:02] uh was uh a westerly expansion uh really
[37:06] on the basis that that saves some space
[37:08] uh creates uh that
[37:10] uh spot in yellow as as a common
[37:12] circulation area. Was able to tie in a
[37:14] little nicely uh a little nicer to that
[37:16] lobby.
[37:17] Next slide, please.
[37:22] Um
[37:23] the site plan again this just takes it
[37:26] uh illustrates uh a little bit to in
[37:28] more detail uh in in plan view uh that
[37:30] that westerly expansion where you'll see
[37:33] the aquatic center. Uh you'll see a
[37:35] gymnasium that was brought forward to
[37:37] council again through the draft our
[37:39] clap. Uh a new and larger wellness
[37:42] center. So right now you do have a
[37:43] fitness space on the second floor
[37:46] uh of the NTRC. Uh a capital project
[37:49] like this would perhaps allow you to uh
[37:51] position that facility uh fitness
[37:53] facility to be provide an experience
[37:55] more uh akin to what you're experiencing
[37:58] in Tottenham.
[37:59] Uh and uh again as was talked about uh
[38:02] if if council were to, you know, support
[38:05] that indoor turf indoor dome,
[38:07] uh that that allows programming
[38:09] potentially to move out of uh the field
[38:11] house uh and and reallocate that uh
[38:13] space to another use. Next slide,
[38:15] please.
[38:18] Um so again really where we're
[38:21] continuing just show this in in
[38:22] different uh dimensions. Uh ball hockey
[38:25] is identified here largely on the basis
[38:28] that you know, we feel that you know,
[38:30] well, that that space, the field house,
[38:32] was originally designed to kind of arena
[38:34] uh dimensions. Um and so if uh if if the
[38:38] turf uh activities were to be moved, you
[38:41] know, ball hockey is is one option
[38:43] there. Again, I've spoken to the to the
[38:45] fitness uh and the gymnasium components.
[38:47] Next slide, please.
[38:51] Uh parking, you know, we we'd be at
[38:52] about 700 uh parking spots. You know,
[38:56] the expansion would occur on an existing
[38:58] parking lot, but we believe that
[39:00] additional parking could be added uh and
[39:03] does not result in any net loss uh I
[39:05] believe uh to what is there today.
[39:09] Next slide, please.
[39:12] So, the concept itself is uh is anchored
[39:15] by a 25-m eight-lane pool. We believe
[39:19] that positions you well for the future
[39:22] and and future growth.
[39:24] Um it's a multi-tank configuration. So,
[39:26] again, in addition to uh the more
[39:29] traditional uh uses that would occur in
[39:31] a rectangular pool, such as again, you
[39:34] know, lessons, aquatic sport, uh there
[39:36] is a leisure tank as well uh that would
[39:38] allow for again more warmer water
[39:41] experiences.
[39:42] Uh full-size gymnasium with storage uh
[39:45] and uh and again,
[39:47] um the opportunity to then
[39:50] uh reimagine that second floor
[39:53] uh and and renew the fitness experience.
[39:55] Uh those are all part of the uh of the
[39:58] proposed concept. Next uh slide, please.
[40:02] Um so, uh in addition to that uh concept
[40:06] uh that MJMA architecture uh and design
[40:09] had done, uh they prepared a capital
[40:11] cost estimate here. Again, they
[40:14] uh uh have been involved uh in a number
[40:16] of these projects. and so, you know, we
[40:18] we feel reasonably confident in these at
[40:21] about a class C level.
[40:23] Um whereby the
[40:25] uh the really after soft costs,
[40:29] contingencies, design fees, uh where
[40:32] we're looking at about $66.2 million
[40:35] uh
[40:36] associated with an aquatic center,
[40:38] gymnasium, and uh revitalized fitness
[40:41] center. Next slide, please.
[40:45] Uh the operating projections, again,
[40:47] this is where the JF Group provided a
[40:49] lot of insight. Uh you know, I I'm maybe
[40:53] it isn't common knowledge, but pools are
[40:55] not revenue positive uh facilities. Uh
[40:58] anyone that has a backyard pool uh
[40:59] probably knows that. Um but uh really
[41:02] the the prevailing thought is by
[41:04] providing access to
[41:06] uh you know, learn to swim,
[41:08] uh you know, sport, you know, some of
[41:10] these uh intrinsic benefits may offset
[41:14] uh in principle uh some of the financial
[41:16] costs. Uh but really the pool and the
[41:19] dry land components together uh have a
[41:22] projected revenue generation of $1.3
[41:25] million
[41:26] annually. Uh this is in current year
[41:28] dollars.
[41:29] Uh expenditures uh again, largely around
[41:32] staffing, uh but also pools are uh you
[41:35] know,
[41:36] intensive in terms of the utilities that
[41:38] they use. Uh you know, those those would
[41:40] be about $2.6 million.
[41:42] So, therefore, council could probably
[41:44] expect somewhere in the order of $1.3
[41:47] million
[41:48] uh annually from uh from an operational
[41:50] standpoint. Uh as uh you know, as um my
[41:54] colleague earlier said with the dome,
[41:56] potentially again, you know, there if if
[41:58] people see that value, that strong value
[42:00] in having a pool, a fitness center, a
[42:02] gym all together, that may help drive
[42:04] memberships. Uh so so again, the revenue
[42:06] side of things could change in in the
[42:08] future. Next slide, please.
[42:11] Uh we uh
[42:13] you know, looked at various models. A
[42:14] number again of those
[42:16] >> I'm sorry. Excuse me, sir. Can I just um
[42:18] » I'm sorry. Excuse me, sir. Can I just um
[42:18] I have to get you to speed it up a bit
[42:20] because in the interest of fairness, we
[42:21] only have so much time allotted, and we
[42:23] want to make sure we're fair across the
[42:24] board. So, thank you.
[42:26] >> Absolutely. This is I think the last
[42:27] » Absolutely. This is I think the last
[42:27] slide. So,
[42:29] um really uh
[42:30] we would recommend that uh the
[42:33] municipality operate the indoor aquatic
[42:35] facilities. Uh most of that that is
[42:37] common practice.
[42:39] And uh you know, we did talk to to
[42:41] others that that operate. The YMCA was
[42:43] was part of our our conversations, but
[42:46] really we do believe that um you know,
[42:48] the the the town would be the best uh
[42:51] positioned to operate this type of
[42:52] facility. Next slide, please.
[42:56] So, typically, you know, these are 4 to
[42:58] 5-year processes from the time we say,
[43:00] "Hey, do we need a pool?" to the time
[43:02] that a door opens. You're already kind
[43:04] of already, you know, we've established
[43:05] the need. We've looked at the
[43:07] feasibility. So, realistically, from the
[43:09] time, you know, council made a decision,
[43:12] uh probably, you know, 24 to 36 months
[43:16] or so,
[43:17] uh you know, after after the approvals
[43:19] are are received, uh one could expect uh
[43:21] that that to uh you know,
[43:25] be in place. Next slide.
[43:27] So,
[43:28] with that, uh thank you, council, for uh
[43:31] indulging me in the in the presentation.
[43:33] We'll be happy to respond to questions
[43:35] later on. Thank you.
[43:37] >> Thank you. I'm going to go back over to
[43:39] » Thank you. I'm going to go back over to
[43:39] Director Malts, please.
[43:48] » Thank you, Your Worship. Uh
[43:49] before we move on to the next
[43:51] presentation, I just wanted to chat
[43:52] about the field house for a second. Uh
[43:54] just wait for the
[43:55] rendering to go on the screen.
[43:59] As council is aware, the field house was
[44:01] originally designed with flexibility in
[44:02] mind. And as council considers the
[44:04] future indoor turf provision provision
[44:07] levels, there's an opportunity to
[44:08] reimagine the field house space to
[44:10] better meet the evolving community
[44:12] needs. The rendering before you
[44:14] illustrates that reimagined space,
[44:16] including the conversion of the field
[44:17] house into a ball hockey dry pad with
[44:20] the new concrete playing surface, full
[44:21] height dasher boards, spectator seating,
[44:24] and glazing. The glazing there is just
[44:26] for illustration purposes only. It could
[44:27] be moved easily.
[44:29] Staff have worked with the New Tecumseth
[44:30] Ball Hockey League throughout this
[44:31] process to ensure that the concept
[44:33] reflects their operational requirements
[44:35] and could possibly function as their
[44:37] primary facility for their programming.
[44:40] This approach demonstrates how we can
[44:41] maximize existing existing
[44:43] infrastructure while responding to
[44:45] identified longer-term service gaps, in
[44:47] particular with pickleball, and we can
[44:49] also accommodate roller derby while
[44:51] delivering a coordinated multi-use
[44:53] facility strategy.
[44:55] I'll now turn over to the next
[44:56] presentation. Um this that will focus on
[44:58] the Beeton Community Centre project.
[45:01] This work focuses on the re-
[45:02] redevelopment of the existing Beeton
[45:04] Memorial Arena site, which, as outlined
[45:07] in the report, is nearing the end of its
[45:08] useful life and no longer meets modern
[45:11] service and programming expectations.
[45:14] Through the study, three preliminary
[45:15] design options are being presented for
[45:17] council's consideration, each reflecting
[45:19] a different approach to balancing
[45:21] community space, recreation programming,
[45:23] and indoor ice provision levels on a
[45:25] constrained site. These include a single
[45:28] gymnasium community center model, a
[45:29] larger double gymnasium model and
[45:32] expanded with expanded program capacity,
[45:34] and an arena focus model that
[45:36] prioritizes maintaining indoor ice
[45:38] within the community.
[45:40] NHL ice is deliberately included in
[45:42] option three, as this is aligned with
[45:44] work previously undertaken. In addition,
[45:46] ice hockey user groups have
[45:48] overwhelmingly expressed support for an
[45:50] appropriate sized ice pad that will
[45:51] allow the the sport to grow and mature
[45:54] both in Beeton and beyond.
[45:56] At this stage, it's important to note
[45:57] staff are not seeking
[45:59] full approval [clears throat] on a
[46:00] preferred option.
[46:02] Rather, the purpose of this work is to
[46:03] seek council direction on a preferred
[46:05] facility approach which will allow the
[46:07] project to advance.
[46:09] Excuse me. [clears throat]
[46:10] It do further preliminary design,
[46:12] refinement of the program, and site
[46:14] layout in more detailed costing. It's
[46:16] important to note that the cost
[46:17] estimates presented today at this stage
[46:19] are preliminary and do not include soft
[46:21] costs, which will be addressed in future
[46:23] phases and analysis.
[46:25] It's also important to note that should
[46:26] council wish to approve this project in
[46:28] full tonight, staff are still able to
[46:30] complete the work and bring back any
[46:32] budget implications for council
[46:33] consideration. Pending feedback tonight,
[46:35] we would expect this would be in late
[46:37] July.
[46:38] I now invite Philip O'Sullivan,
[46:40] representing Perkins and Will as lead
[46:42] consultant, to introduce his team. Uh
[46:44] through you, Mayor, back to you.
[46:47] >> Thank you.
[46:49] So, I believe the presentation will be
[46:51] from over here, members of the public
[46:53] and those watching at home.
[46:54] So, go ahead, please, sir.
[46:57] And when your light comes up red, it
[46:58] means you're live.
[46:59] >> Yep.
[46:59] » Yep.
[47:00] >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you,
[47:00] » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you,
[47:00] Council. Thank you, Director Moses. We
[47:02] appreciate the opportunity to be here
[47:03] this evening and present our work. My
[47:05] name is Philip O'Sullivan, as Director
[47:06] Moses said. I'm an associate principal
[47:08] working in sports and recreation at
[47:10] Perkins and Will. I'm joined by
[47:11] Christina Grimes, a senior associate and
[47:13] designer at Perkins and Will, who is the
[47:15] designer of this project. She'll speak
[47:16] through the plans as we go through. As
[47:17] well as our industry colleague, John
[47:19] Hack from Sierra Planning and
[47:20] Management, who has helped us with the
[47:22] costing and business model relative to
[47:24] the options that you're going to see
[47:25] this evening.
[47:26] Next slide, please.
[47:30] As a brief project overview, Perkins and
[47:32] Will and Sierra Planning were were
[47:33] brought on in and around December 2025
[47:36] to undertake a feasibility study uh for
[47:38] a community center in and around the
[47:40] Beaton Memorial Arena, including the
[47:42] Beaton Memorial Arena. Um the the
[47:44] project is essentially broken up into
[47:45] two phases. One being site investigation
[47:48] and community engagement, and the second
[47:50] phase being conceptual design. It's
[47:51] supposed to be run kind of
[47:53] consecutively. Um there are are to be
[47:55] two two presentations to council. Today
[47:57] is the first one where as Director Moes
[47:59] noted, we're seeking direction on some
[48:00] of the options we're going to present
[48:02] this evening. Um and the feasibility
[48:03] study is intended to be complete again
[48:05] as Director Moes said in July of 2026.
[48:07] We have overlapped these phases for the
[48:09] interest of time and to be able to allow
[48:11] our process of community engagement to
[48:13] inform the design as opposed to having
[48:15] it happen in tandem, having it happen
[48:17] together. Um I sorry, in tandem. So that
[48:19] way we can make sure that we're it
[48:21] bringing that into our design thinking
[48:22] as we work through the process. Next
[48:23] slide, please.
[48:27] Our community engagement process took
[48:28] place on in in five different ways. We
[48:30] had an online community survey that was
[48:32] open for the duration of the other uh
[48:35] events I'm about to describe. We had
[48:37] pop-up events, three in-person pop-up
[48:39] events. Uh we also had public a public
[48:41] information session that took place at
[48:43] the town hall. We interviewed user
[48:45] groups and we also had council
[48:46] interviews.
[48:47] Uh so we started in July of 2020 uh
[48:49] pardon me, January of 2026 with council
[48:52] interviews where we met with council to
[48:53] understand the history and context of
[48:55] previous developments and thoughts
[48:57] around how the Beeton Memorial Arena had
[48:58] been thought of in the past from
[49:00] different councils and that was very
[49:02] helpful. Uh then we started to popu-
[49:04] have pop-up events and these pop-up
[49:06] events were for the public, open to the
[49:07] public. Um they happened in three
[49:09] different locations, the Tottenham
[49:11] Community Centre, uh the D.A. Jones
[49:13] Library and of course the Beeton
[49:14] Memorial Arena.
[49:15] Uh and those were focused on
[49:17] conversations with the community about
[49:19] program, what was desired, what wasn't
[49:21] being provided, what could be provided
[49:23] and really looking at how the any design
[49:26] for a new community centre in and around
[49:27] the Beeton Memorial Arena could be
[49:28] impacted by that need.
[49:30] Uh the public information session, that
[49:32] was the session that was held here at
[49:33] town hall. That was a session where we
[49:35] began to take all the information that
[49:36] we had heard uh from the community and
[49:38] from council itself and build in
[49:40] conceptual ideas about how the design
[49:42] could be reflected or placed on the
[49:44] site. And this was done so we could seek
[49:46] community input, have conversations and
[49:48] understand how the needs are being met
[49:49] or not being met and where we could have
[49:51] alternate revisions to um to make those
[49:54] meet the needs. And what you see tonight
[49:55] is a is a product of that. And then
[49:57] lastly, we had user group meetings. This
[49:59] was a specific user groups where we
[50:01] brought them to talk about the overall
[50:03] concepts, but also to talk about the
[50:06] existing context and how that the
[50:08] physical impacts or limitations of those
[50:10] spaces are impacting their business and
[50:11] how there was potential for future
[50:13] correction of that in new facilities.
[50:15] And it's worth noting at this point that
[50:16] and you can see in the images here
[50:18] that while we did in community
[50:20] engagement see quite a clear need for
[50:23] ice and want for ice and and emotional
[50:25] connection to ice, we also heard quite a
[50:27] bit of commentary about things that
[50:29] weren't offered, things like gym spaces,
[50:31] indoor walking tracks, availability for
[50:34] alternate sport, and ability to
[50:35] congregate and gather indoors.
[50:38] So, we thought that was quite useful in
[50:39] terms of helping us develop an initial
[50:41] program. Next slide, please.
[50:44] So, from all of that conversation with
[50:47] with the public, we developed a project
[50:49] vision and it reads like this. Shaped by
[50:51] community input and grounded in themes
[50:53] of community, place, and value, this
[50:55] project reimagines recreation in Beeton
[50:58] at a pivotal moment of growth. Building
[51:00] on the legacy of the Beeton Memorial
[51:01] Arena, this new community center will
[51:03] become a vibrant, inclusive hub that
[51:05] brings residents together, supports
[51:06] diverse needs, and strengthens
[51:08] connection and belonging. Centrally
[51:10] located, it will honor its role as a
[51:12] long-standing community anchor while
[51:13] serving future generations.
[51:16] Next slide, please.
[51:18] From the project vision, we created
[51:19] guiding principles. These are
[51:20] touchstones that we go back to during
[51:22] the design process up until this point
[51:24] and make sure that we're in alignment
[51:26] and and continuing to service the the
[51:28] the needs of the community. We again,
[51:31] community, place, and value were the
[51:32] three guiding principles that we we
[51:34] landed on and the New Beeton Community
[51:36] Centre will support in terms of
[51:37] community the evolving social, cultural,
[51:39] and recreation needs of the current and
[51:41] future residents of New Tecumseth.
[51:43] From a place perspective, the Beeton
[51:45] Community Centre will be thoughtfully
[51:47] rooted in its context, reflecting both
[51:49] its historic setting and its future
[51:51] potential as a modern, efficient
[51:53] recreation centre.
[51:54] And from the point of view of value, the
[51:56] centre will be designed to maximize
[51:57] long-term value in its construction,
[51:59] operation, and spatial efficiency.
[52:05] » [clears throat]
[52:05] >> So, the next series of diagrams will
[52:07] » So, the next series of diagrams will
[52:07] take a closer look at the BMA site. On
[52:11] this side, we have a perspective aerial
[52:13] view of the BMA site. It's a very
[52:15] prominent central site on Main Street
[52:18] within the Beeton Heritage District.
[52:21] It's been home to the Beeton Memorial
[52:22] Arena since 1947.
[52:25] So, the site's really served in
[52:26] generations of residents through
[52:28] skating, hockey, and a wide variety of
[52:31] community events. It's a very
[52:33] well-loved, active gathering place that
[52:36] the design of the new community centre
[52:38] and arena looks to build upon.
[52:41] Next slide.
[52:44] The site itself forms part of a broader
[52:46] ecological corridor linking Main Street
[52:48] to the Beeton Community Park north of
[52:50] Prospect Street.
[52:52] So, existing open green spaces kind of
[52:54] weave around the arena and existing
[52:56] parking areas,
[52:58] creating an informal but continuous
[53:00] landscape network.
[53:02] It's important to note that there is a
[53:04] natural water course that runs along the
[53:06] west edge of the site. So, for our
[53:09] preliminary site planning purposes, we
[53:11] have assumed about a 15-m setback from
[53:15] the top of bank of that water course as
[53:16] this site is under the Nottawasaga
[53:19] Valley Conservation Authority
[53:20] jurisdiction.
[53:22] Next slide.
[53:25] The new community centre design presents
[53:27] an opportunity to,
[53:29] you know, reimagine and better organize
[53:31] both indoor and outdoor amenities on the
[53:33] existing BMA site.
[53:35] By locating the new building along Main
[53:37] Street next to the library,
[53:39] a more direct connection from Main
[53:41] Street through the site to the Beaton
[53:44] Community Park can be established and
[53:46] that's kind of shown here in in the
[53:48] the red graphics.
[53:50] This space can become a linear
[53:52] multi-year use plaza
[53:55] serving not only as kind of a key
[53:57] pathway through the site but also as an
[53:59] arrival plaza, an informal gathering
[54:02] area, perhaps a reading garden next to
[54:04] the library
[54:06] populated with both seating and and
[54:09] landscaping.
[54:11] Next slide.
[54:13] And then lastly it's important to
[54:14] highlight that this site's located
[54:16] within the Beaton Heritage District. So
[54:18] the new community center design will
[54:20] draw from this context with careful
[54:22] attention to scale, rhythm, form and the
[54:26] predominant brick materiality to ensure
[54:28] the building kind of fits within that
[54:30] heritage streetscape.
[54:32] Next slide.
[54:36] So we're now going to walk through the
[54:38] three design options.
[54:41] We're calling them design options but
[54:43] they are essentially test fits, you
[54:45] know, they're they're trying to test
[54:46] different building areas and and the
[54:48] parking requirement on a site and
[54:50] regardless of which design is kind of
[54:52] selected to move forward with there
[54:54] would be much more design exploration
[54:56] that kind of continues on.
[54:59] So this is design option one, it's the
[55:01] single gymnasium model
[55:03] and it's the smallest of the three
[55:04] options.
[55:05] So that smaller community center
[55:07] footprint and the smaller parking
[55:09] requirement
[55:11] uh preserves about half of the site for
[55:13] open green space and maintains the
[55:16] existing splash pad and basketball court
[55:18] on site.
[55:19] This design does have space for the
[55:22] existing BMA to potentially remain on
[55:24] site if required and this has been
[55:27] analyzed as a possible scenario and will
[55:29] be described in more detail at the end
[55:30] of presentation by John Hack. In
[55:34] looking at the site plan on the here,
[55:37] it's important to note that there would
[55:38] be impacts to the parking efficiency if
[55:41] the BMA does remain,
[55:43] either reducing the amount of parking
[55:44] provided or increasing the parking area
[55:46] shown currently.
[55:48] Next slide.
[55:51] On this slide, we have the floor plans
[55:53] for the two building levels. Uh the
[55:54] ground floor is on the left and includes
[55:57] the single gymnasium and community hall
[55:59] programs with some support spaces, the
[56:01] building amen, and an entry lobby off of
[56:04] Main Street.
[56:06] The second floor on the right will have
[56:07] a couple of multi-purpose rooms and a
[56:09] walking track around the two-story
[56:11] gymnasium space.
[56:13] And then the community hall space on the
[56:15] ground floor would also be two stories.
[56:17] So, that kind of provides a nice general
[56:19] generous volume of space for a wide
[56:21] variety of community events.
[56:24] Next slide.
[56:27] And then here we have a hand sketch of
[56:28] how the new community center would
[56:30] integrate onto the Main Street
[56:31] streetscape. So, it's a very high-level
[56:33] sketch. It's not intended to be a
[56:35] design, but more of a representation of
[56:38] the scale of the building next to the
[56:39] library. Starting to imagine how a plaza
[56:41] space emerges between the building and
[56:43] the library, how building entries are
[56:46] identified, how brick, glass, and other
[56:48] materials could come together in a
[56:50] variety of expressions, and you'll see
[56:52] that represented both in this sketch in
[56:54] the sketches to come for the next design
[56:56] options.
[56:57] Next slide.
[56:59] >> [clears throat]
[57:00] » [clears throat]
[57:00] >> Design option two is the double
[57:02] » Design option two is the double
[57:02] gymnasium model. So, what's different
[57:04] here is it's larger than the first
[57:08] design option. So, instead of a single
[57:09] gym, it has a double gym with a much
[57:12] larger walking track around that
[57:14] gymnasium and some additional
[57:15] multi-purpose rooms.
[57:17] The building and parking lots here have
[57:19] kind of an offset bar design. So, this
[57:22] allows for a larger plaza space along
[57:24] Main Street in front of the building's
[57:26] main lobby space.
[57:28] The site is also showing the potential
[57:30] for an outdoor skating trail and covered
[57:32] ice rink. However, this program was
[57:34] identified as a separate cost from the
[57:36] overall construction costs
[57:38] of the building.
[57:40] And then again, technically the BMA
[57:42] could remain on site for this option.
[57:44] However, the site would be significantly
[57:46] impacted. There would be major impacts
[57:48] to parking capacity as well as
[57:50] significant complexities to the
[57:52] construction of the new facility.
[57:56] And next slide.
[57:59] So, you can see the
[58:01] um the two floor plans for this option
[58:04] here. Uh the ground floor is on the
[58:06] left-hand side has the double gymnasium,
[58:08] the community hall, a multi-purpose
[58:10] room, and some support spaces, and a
[58:12] generous lobby space off of Main Street.
[58:14] And then on level two on the right, you
[58:17] have a couple multi-purpose spaces as
[58:19] well as a large walking track around the
[58:21] two-story gymnasium. And again, that
[58:23] community hall space has been designed
[58:25] as a two-story space as well.
[58:28] Next slide.
[58:30] And here's another sketch just kind of
[58:32] showing the scale of the design along
[58:34] that Main Street streetscape and next to
[58:36] the library.
[58:38] Next slide.
[58:41] And then lastly, we have design option
[58:43] three. So, this is the arena option. And
[58:47] important to note that the ice surface
[58:49] designed here is an NHL-sized ice pad
[58:52] model.
[58:53] Um this is the largest uh building
[58:56] program of the three options and
[58:58] therefore will require the largest
[59:00] footprint of parking. So, you can see
[59:02] the building and the parking do take up
[59:04] um a big portion of the site. We're not
[59:06] able to maintain the existing basketball
[59:08] court, but the existing splash pad
[59:11] should be able to remain
[59:12] uh on site with the building and the
[59:14] parking requirements.
[59:16] Next slide.
[59:19] It's another two-story building. So, on
[59:20] the ground floor the left-hand side,
[59:22] we've got the ice rink with those
[59:25] support spaces. So, change room spaces,
[59:27] and back of house mechanical spaces,
[59:30] a small multi-purpose room, a reception
[59:32] desk admin space, and then a concession
[59:35] space that's kind of adjacent to that
[59:37] main lobby off of Main Street.
[59:39] Up on level two, you have a large
[59:41] generous walking track that wraps around
[59:44] the ice rink, as well as a viewing area.
[59:47] So, upper level viewing along the rink
[59:50] uh for great views down to the rink
[59:52] below. Another multi-purpose room.
[59:55] And then in this design, the community
[59:56] hall and and associated teaching kitchen
[59:59] are located up on level two, rather than
[1:00:02] the ground floor.
[1:00:03] Next slide.
[1:00:05] Again, just another sketch kind of
[1:00:07] showing what that feels like on Main
[1:00:09] Street next to the library um
[1:00:12] and just kind of imagining some of those
[1:00:14] um spaces in and around the building.
[1:00:18] Pass it over to John.
[1:00:25] » Um on the on the financial review side,
[1:00:28] it it's uh it's probably um
[1:00:30] better to view it as as a as a link to a
[1:00:32] funding strategy or the implications of
[1:00:35] one option over another. So,
[1:00:38] as you've seen, there are three options
[1:00:40] presented. And on the two options,
[1:00:42] options one and two that maintain the uh
[1:00:44] that that bring in a new community
[1:00:46] center, the options shown are that the
[1:00:48] BMA the the Memorial Arena is not
[1:00:51] retained. Recognition that it could be
[1:00:54] with some challenges. So, with that, the
[1:00:56] what I'm about to show for the balance
[1:00:58] of the slides is really to understand
[1:01:01] based on each of those options, um what
[1:01:04] is the what are the implications of of
[1:01:06] actually retaining the Memorial Arena on
[1:01:09] the side versus its
[1:01:11] its removal. And then of course, option
[1:01:13] three, which is the uh bringing in a new
[1:01:16] NHL-sized
[1:01:18] um arena with community hall space. That
[1:01:21] one is conceptually a little bit more
[1:01:22] straightforward
[1:01:24] in terms of the financial implications.
[1:01:26] So, next slide, please.
[1:01:29] So, just to get into it, and I hope I
[1:01:30] don't uh confuse people with uh with a
[1:01:33] lot of different boxes here, but
[1:01:35] uh for for the two options for the for
[1:01:38] the community centers, options one and
[1:01:40] options two,
[1:01:41] um there are really we've developed some
[1:01:44] financial scenarios uh to reflect what
[1:01:47] would happen if you kept the
[1:01:49] um Memorial Arena going for a period of
[1:01:52] time. What is that period of time is
[1:01:54] I'll I'll get to that. So, option A
[1:01:57] would be that you keep the BMA open
[1:02:00] until such time as there was a solution
[1:02:02] to replacing it with uh new, likely
[1:02:06] larger, twin pad, probably uh ice
[1:02:09] somewhere else within the municipality.
[1:02:12] The second scenario, B, is uh closing
[1:02:14] the BMA
[1:02:16] um
[1:02:16] uh for uh for construction of a new
[1:02:18] facility, and then uh
[1:02:21] having essentially to find ice
[1:02:23] elsewhere, or recognize there'd be a
[1:02:25] loss in service for a period of time.
[1:02:27] So, uh just to run it through very
[1:02:30] quickly, scenario A, it remains open
[1:02:32] until 2036.
[1:02:34] There are certain costs, obviously, to
[1:02:36] to look at in terms of the BMA going
[1:02:38] going operating costs, but also an
[1:02:41] increasing likelihood of significant
[1:02:43] capital costs.
[1:02:45] Um and then if you were to close the
[1:02:47] facility, then you avoid those costs,
[1:02:50] but you run into the challenge, of
[1:02:51] course, of not having
[1:02:53] enough uh space to be able to operate
[1:02:56] the facility both for the winter use
[1:02:58] and the uh the non-winter use as well.
[1:03:00] Next slide, please.
[1:03:03] So, what are we what are we actually
[1:03:05] looking at in terms of the timelines
[1:03:06] here? So, the the sort of foundational
[1:03:08] assumption of of what we're doing here
[1:03:10] and the information we're providing is
[1:03:11] essentially to give council uh a
[1:03:13] non-design perspective, a financial
[1:03:15] perspective on some of the issues Um is
[1:03:19] that we're assuming here that that by
[1:03:21] 2036 there would be investment made to
[1:03:25] produce new ice in the town as a result
[1:03:28] of the need for that
[1:03:30] and as laid out in the various um
[1:03:33] planning documents, recreation master
[1:03:35] plan in particular for that. So, that
[1:03:38] would be the the aim and if we were to
[1:03:41] commission if the if the work were
[1:03:43] commissioned very soon then obviously
[1:03:45] the redevelopment of the memorial site
[1:03:48] could happen
[1:03:49] you know as as near as 2030 or 2031. So,
[1:03:53] those are the timelines.
[1:03:55] >> Next slide, please.
[1:03:58] » So, I will do my best to simplify what
[1:04:01] we are looking at here but essentially
[1:04:04] just to recognize the options and so
[1:04:06] scenario 1A is to keep the BMA open and
[1:04:12] there are certain operating costs that
[1:04:14] come with that as well as caper capital
[1:04:16] costs.
[1:04:17] The buildings themselves
[1:04:20] Christina has laid out what they are.
[1:04:21] I'll just focus on again the
[1:04:24] the uh
[1:04:25] the costs associated with each. So, the
[1:04:28] the smaller community center
[1:04:30] in and around 24 million dollars in
[1:04:32] terms of construction cost.
[1:04:34] The second one about 40% higher in cost
[1:04:37] actually about 50% higher in space
[1:04:40] that's made available. So, there are
[1:04:41] some efficiencies there the bigger you
[1:04:43] go in a building.
[1:04:45] Uh
[1:04:45] relative to the cost there is an
[1:04:47] efficiency there and then scenario three
[1:04:49] a new NHL pad which is more than that
[1:04:51] it's got community hall space as well
[1:04:54] factored into it and some other rooms.
[1:04:56] You're in at around 44 million dollars
[1:04:58] in construction costs for that as well.
[1:05:00] I'll maybe come back in any questions to
[1:05:03] to fill out some of the details here but
[1:05:04] if you go to the next slide, please.
[1:05:11] Let's just focus on this and this is the
[1:05:13] last significant table for the
[1:05:15] presentation. So this actually gives
[1:05:18] some numbers here to what we're looking
[1:05:19] at so we can compare between the three
[1:05:21] options
[1:05:22] as it relates to the issue of whether
[1:05:24] you do or do not retain the Beaton
[1:05:27] Memorial Arena until such time and we're
[1:05:30] assuming about 2036 to be able to
[1:05:34] uh bring in new ice that would would
[1:05:36] replace what is lost if uh if option
[1:05:39] three
[1:05:40] uh for a new arena on site is not chosen
[1:05:43] and the options one and two are
[1:05:46] developed without retaining the arena.
[1:05:48] So option 1A capital cost as I'd
[1:05:51] mentioned around $24 million in
[1:05:53] construction cost.
[1:05:55] Because of the particular condition of
[1:05:57] the uh the Beaton Memorial owner uh
[1:06:00] Beaton Memorial Arena at this point uh
[1:06:03] existing capital cost estimates from a
[1:06:06] building condition assessment
[1:06:08] in uh what we're calling present value
[1:06:10] and so putting it in today's dollars it
[1:06:12] strings out to around 2036 or just after
[1:06:15] is about 15 15.6 million dollars. So
[1:06:17] call it 15 million. It's significant.
[1:06:20] Um the annual deficit is going to be
[1:06:22] true of any facility and in in fairness
[1:06:25] the
[1:06:26] option three uh for a brand new facility
[1:06:28] is going to have a higher operating
[1:06:30] deficit than the existing
[1:06:32] Memorial Arena. But just to put that on
[1:06:34] the page about $2.8 million. This is on
[1:06:37] the left hand column there for option
[1:06:39] 1A1. When you add that together the
[1:06:43] total
[1:06:44] um value of uh of costs in in present
[1:06:47] value terms is around $42.5 million.
[1:06:52] If you were to um
[1:06:55] close the arena
[1:06:57] um there looks there like there's a
[1:07:00] significant savings and there is there
[1:07:02] is that. Um the challenge though of
[1:07:04] course is that the unless a new facility
[1:07:06] to replace that
[1:07:08] is brought on board. So, to replace the
[1:07:10] lost ice and the lost summer use, then
[1:07:13] there's a there's a loss of service to
[1:07:15] the community.
[1:07:17] Um and that can be replaced by if you
[1:07:20] look under row down where it says D
[1:07:22] about four up from the bottom, the idea
[1:07:25] there is that you could purchase the
[1:07:26] municipality could look to try and
[1:07:28] purchase ice elsewhere
[1:07:30] and then provide that to the community
[1:07:32] at the subsidized rate. There's
[1:07:34] obviously a risk to do that and we don't
[1:07:36] have a position on whether that is
[1:07:38] more likely or less likely, but it is in
[1:07:40] theory something that could be could be
[1:07:42] done. But, the bottom line is that that
[1:07:45] comparison of 42 million versus the 27
[1:07:48] million is because there is uh there is
[1:07:50] essentially
[1:07:52] um the loss of the Beaton Memorial Arena
[1:07:54] and a decision has to be made as to
[1:07:55] whether you find ice from elsewhere or
[1:07:58] drop the level of service until they get
[1:07:59] a new pad.
[1:08:01] Really the same conversation for just to
[1:08:03] speed up here, the same conversation for
[1:08:06] scenario 2A and 2B. It's just a bigger
[1:08:08] set of numbers.
[1:08:10] Um and so there is a comparison there of
[1:08:12] 50, you know, 51.9 million versus 36.6
[1:08:16] million if you were to keep the Memorial
[1:08:18] Arena open until 2036 or close it and
[1:08:22] suffer the
[1:08:24] the issues that surround a loss of ice.
[1:08:27] And then of course, scenario three
[1:08:29] uh is one where the initial capital
[1:08:31] costs associated with the new arena that
[1:08:34] would be put on site is substantially
[1:08:36] higher than building a community center,
[1:08:39] but
[1:08:40] um what you don't have because you would
[1:08:42] be required in this in this design
[1:08:44] scenario to close the BMA as soon as
[1:08:47] you're starting construction. So, let's
[1:08:49] just say that happens tomorrow or
[1:08:51] beginning of next year, whenever the
[1:08:52] design is complete, uh you would have to
[1:08:55] find ice for a period during the
[1:08:58] construction period, uh let's say 3
[1:09:00] years, or you would have to
[1:09:02] um suffer the loss of of service that
[1:09:05] that happens knowing that you're
[1:09:06] bringing back a bigger, better facility
[1:09:10] in a few years time. But, you can see
[1:09:11] the numbers there that it it shows that
[1:09:15] there isn't the same level of cost
[1:09:17] because you're not maintaining the
[1:09:18] existing arena.
[1:09:19] So,
[1:09:21] I will leave it at that. I'm sure I've
[1:09:23] numbed everyone with numbers, but I'll
[1:09:24] be happy to go through any questions
[1:09:27] that you may have.
[1:09:34] » Thank you. I'm going to move on to
[1:09:36] capital projects financial impact
[1:09:38] assessment, and our presenter is Raj
[1:09:40] Narine.
[1:09:41] May I hand it over to you, Raj?
[1:10:13] » Good evening, Mayor Norcross and members
[1:10:15] of council.
[1:10:16] Um
[1:10:18] My name is Raj Narine, and the manager
[1:10:19] of financial services.
[1:10:21] Thank you for
[1:10:23] giving me the opportunity to present
[1:10:24] tonight.
[1:10:25] I will be presenting our financial
[1:10:27] impact assessment for the three projects
[1:10:30] that was discussed earlier, and it's the
[1:10:32] aquatic center, sports dome, and the
[1:10:35] community center.
[1:10:37] Um my
[1:10:38] assessment will focus mostly on the town
[1:10:41] debt debt capacity, and annual repayment
[1:10:44] limit, and the projected tax impact.
[1:10:47] So, this slide just give a brief
[1:10:49] overview of the
[1:10:51] aquatic center.
[1:10:52] It's expected to cost $70 million.
[1:10:55] Included in this amount is a
[1:10:58] $3.7 million for a ball ball hockey
[1:11:01] space. Um this project is expected to be
[1:11:05] fully debenture and um
[1:11:08] repayment of that is uh expected to be
[1:11:10] from taxation and DCs.
[1:11:13] Next slide, please.
[1:11:15] So, this is the sports dome um
[1:11:18] $10.5 million uh dollars
[1:11:20] expected to be fully debenture as well
[1:11:22] and um repayment of that to be funded
[1:11:25] from DCs and taxation.
[1:11:28] Next slide, please.
[1:11:30] And this is the Beeton Community Centre
[1:11:33] and all three options are presented
[1:11:35] here.
[1:11:36] And um when you go through back the cost
[1:11:38] the consultants just went through the
[1:11:39] cost, but it is expected uh all options
[1:11:42] are expected to be
[1:11:44] um fully debentured and um funded from
[1:11:48] DCs and taxation as well. Soft cost was
[1:11:51] not included in this model um because
[1:11:53] that was not included in the
[1:11:55] consultant's report.
[1:11:57] Next slide, please.
[1:12:00] Um before I move on to the numbers
[1:12:03] slide, just want to give you a little
[1:12:05] bit of a context on annual repayment
[1:12:07] limit or ARL.
[1:12:09] Um this is a provincial legislation. Um
[1:12:12] it is really how much um that the town
[1:12:15] is able to carry on its own source
[1:12:17] revenue.
[1:12:18] Um the limit is 25%
[1:12:21] uh that's the the threshold uh the
[1:12:23] legis- legislated limit. Um
[1:12:26] we can in order to be for me to be
[1:12:29] prudent and uh follow best practice, it
[1:12:32] is advisable to do um stay within 20% or
[1:12:37] or less.
[1:12:38] Um it's very important to to
[1:12:40] for the town to do that because it
[1:12:42] allows flexibility and help us to
[1:12:44] respond to any emergencies.
[1:12:47] Next slide, please.
[1:12:53] Um this slide shows a projection of um
[1:12:56] our a comparison of our annual repayment
[1:12:58] limit um for the period 2028 to 2035.
[1:13:04] Um the gray line represents um any
[1:13:07] current debt that we have
[1:13:08] and any
[1:13:10] commit- existing planned debts to 2035.
[1:13:14] And as you can see, it's uh it's within
[1:13:17] the range of 14 to 17% ARL, which is
[1:13:20] acceptable
[1:13:22] much lower than our 20% uh threshold.
[1:13:25] And if we factor in
[1:13:27] the three uh proposed recreation
[1:13:29] projects, then we're going to be um over
[1:13:33] uh
[1:13:34] over our 20% uh threshold, but below the
[1:13:37] 25% uh legislative limit. You can see
[1:13:40] it's peaked at offer option one at 22.6%
[1:13:44] and ranging to 23.9
[1:13:46] at option three.
[1:13:50] Next slide, please.
[1:13:53] So, um this slide uh gives a a
[1:13:57] several scenarios here. And the the
[1:14:00] column that I am to focus on is the
[1:14:02] funding relief. It's the very last
[1:14:04] column.
[1:14:04] And it is really how much money we will
[1:14:06] need upfront to stay to to put into any
[1:14:10] one of these combinations to stay within
[1:14:12] a 20% threshold.
[1:14:14] So, for example, the if we're going to
[1:14:16] go with the aquatic center and dome the
[1:14:19] and the Beaton Community Center option
[1:14:21] one, that will cost will need to inject
[1:14:23] 26 million upfront.
[1:14:25] Option two, it's on 33 and it's
[1:14:28] increases to further to 45 million
[1:14:31] dollars if we go with Beaton option
[1:14:33] three and the other two projects.
[1:14:36] Next slide, please.
[1:14:41] So, the the slide uh gives uh
[1:14:44] a picture of the um
[1:14:47] estimated tax rates in park in terms of
[1:14:50] pro projects per project. So, the
[1:14:53] aquatic and wellness center um is
[1:14:55] expected to be at a 4.59%
[1:14:58] um
[1:14:59] the dome is the lowest at 1.28 and the
[1:15:02] Beaton Community Center ranges from
[1:15:04] option one to 2.81% to option three at a
[1:15:07] 5.47%.
[1:15:11] Yeah.
[1:15:12] Next slide, please.
[1:15:15] So, this uh this slide um
[1:15:17] presented um
[1:15:20] the
[1:15:21] combination of um what the combination
[1:15:23] would be and what the how what what the
[1:15:26] tax burden uh per scenarios and also
[1:15:29] what the equivalent tax rate would be.
[1:15:32] So, in terms of dollars, if we go with
[1:15:34] the the two project with Beaton option
[1:15:35] one, we're looking at a 4.
[1:15:39] uh 1 million dollars, which is
[1:15:40] equivalent to an 8% tax increase. And uh
[1:15:44] option two with 4.79 and
[1:15:47] uh
[1:15:48] option three 5.45. That's tax burden
[1:15:51] equivalent to 11.35%
[1:15:53] tax rate increase.
[1:15:55] Next slide.
[1:15:57] And um I think this is my final slide um
[1:16:01] and this really is a combination of the
[1:16:04] other slides just to present it into one
[1:16:07] slide. And it's for each situation each
[1:16:10] scenario uh combination um
[1:16:12] we have the
[1:16:14] total levy burden, what that would be,
[1:16:16] the equivalent tax rate, and the funding
[1:16:18] relief
[1:16:19] um to stay within our 20% um
[1:16:23] ARL threshold.
[1:16:25] And uh that's it uh for my presentation
[1:16:28] this evening. Thank you for your time.
[1:16:30] Mayor and council.
[1:16:33] >> Thank you very much.
[1:16:35] » Thank you very much.
[1:16:35] So, now we're going to move on to our
[1:16:36] registered deputations.
[1:16:39] And up first we have Kelly Summers from
[1:16:40] South Simcoe United in reference to the
[1:16:43] sports dome. Kelly, would you like to
[1:16:44] come up to the microphone, please?
[1:16:47] Thank you and welcome.
[1:16:51] » Hi everybody. Hopefully everybody can
[1:16:52] hear me okay. Good evening, Mr. Mayor
[1:16:54] and members of council. Thank you for
[1:16:56] giving me the opportunity. My name is
[1:16:57] Kelly Summers and I am the secretary of
[1:16:59] the South Simcoe United FC board. I'm
[1:17:02] speaking today in support of the
[1:17:03] proposed sports dome project.
[1:17:05] SSU has experienced tremendous growth
[1:17:07] over the past 2 years, growing from
[1:17:09] approximately 2,400 active registered
[1:17:11] athletes to just under 4,000 today.
[1:17:14] This growth reflects the increased
[1:17:16] demand for youth sports and recreation
[1:17:18] opportunities across NewTec and the
[1:17:20] surrounding area.
[1:17:22] Beyond our athletes, SSU has built a
[1:17:24] much larger community of players,
[1:17:26] parents, guardians, coaches, volunteers,
[1:17:29] alumni, supporters, and local residents.
[1:17:32] Today, our club's community reaches
[1:17:33] close to 10,000 people.
[1:17:36] While this growth is something we're
[1:17:37] very proud of, it has also highlighted
[1:17:39] an important challenge. Our community's
[1:17:41] recreational infrastructure has just not
[1:17:43] kept pace with demand.
[1:17:45] For the first time in our club's
[1:17:46] history, growth is no longer limited by
[1:17:48] interest. It's limited by
[1:17:50] infrastructure. Children want to play,
[1:17:52] families want to participate, volunteers
[1:17:55] want to coach. The demand exists, but
[1:17:57] what we lack is the space to support it.
[1:18:00] This challenge is most evident during
[1:18:01] the winter months. Our athletes train at
[1:18:04] the NewTec Recreation Centre Fieldhouse,
[1:18:06] and we're grateful to have access to
[1:18:07] that facility, but it simply cannot
[1:18:09] accommodate the size of our program.
[1:18:12] The town's own report confirms that the
[1:18:14] facility operates at full capacity
[1:18:15] during prime hours, and SSU accounts for
[1:18:18] the majority of those bookings.
[1:18:20] Outside of scheduling limitations, the
[1:18:21] facility's playing surface is not
[1:18:23] representative of a true soccer pitch,
[1:18:25] and as a result, our players train in an
[1:18:27] environment that is considerably
[1:18:29] narrower and shorter than the fields
[1:18:31] that they compete on during the outdoor
[1:18:32] season. This impacts player development,
[1:18:35] tactical awareness, decision-making, and
[1:18:38] the ability to properly prepare athletes
[1:18:40] for higher levels of competition.
[1:18:42] Our coaches work very hard to overcome
[1:18:44] those limitations, but the reality is
[1:18:46] that the current facility was never
[1:18:47] designed to meet the needs of a club of
[1:18:49] our size.
[1:18:51] The proposed FIFA-size sports dome would
[1:18:52] address these challenges directly. It
[1:18:54] would provide year-round training and
[1:18:56] competition
[1:18:57] facility capable of supporting current
[1:18:59] demand and also accommodating future
[1:19:01] growth that the town's own studies have
[1:19:03] identified.
[1:19:04] In addition, the sports dome would help
[1:19:06] address the growing demand for
[1:19:07] year-round recreational space, providing
[1:19:09] opportunities for local sports
[1:19:11] organizations, schools, and community
[1:19:13] groups to expand their programming and
[1:19:15] better serve residents of all ages.
[1:19:17] Beyond meeting the current needs, the
[1:19:19] sports dome would create significant
[1:19:20] benefits for the broader community. It
[1:19:22] would create opportunities for local
[1:19:24] tournaments, attract visitors to our
[1:19:25] community, support local businesses, and
[1:19:28] provide those recreational
[1:19:29] opportunities.
[1:19:31] The sports dome would also position New
[1:19:33] Tec as a destination for regional and
[1:19:35] provincial sporting events. SSU's
[1:19:37] participation in the provincial indoor
[1:19:39] soccer league, along with other
[1:19:41] competitive programs and tournaments,
[1:19:42] creates opportunities that bring teams,
[1:19:44] players, coaches, and families from
[1:19:46] across Ontario into our community.
[1:19:48] These visitors support local
[1:19:50] restaurants, hotels, gas stations,
[1:19:52] shops, and businesses, while showcasing
[1:19:54] New Tecumseth as a vibrant and growing
[1:19:56] municipality.
[1:19:57] Beyond the economic benefits, hosting
[1:19:59] high-level competitions raises the
[1:20:01] profile of our town and provides local
[1:20:03] athletes with opportunities to compete
[1:20:05] and develop close to home.
[1:20:07] This project is not only an investment
[1:20:09] in recreation, it's an investment in
[1:20:10] economic development, community pride,
[1:20:13] and the reputation of our town across
[1:20:14] the province.
[1:20:16] Just as importantly, this project isn't
[1:20:17] simply about soccer. It's also about
[1:20:20] investing in youth development, health
[1:20:22] and wellness, community engagement, and
[1:20:24] the future growth of our town.
[1:20:25] Every hour spent on a field is an hour
[1:20:28] not spent in front of a screen.
[1:20:30] It's an hour spent about teamwork,
[1:20:32] discipline, leadership, resilience, and
[1:20:35] community. The Sports Dome isn't simply
[1:20:37] a building.
[1:20:38] It's an investment in thousands of young
[1:20:40] people and the values that we want them
[1:20:41] to carry into adulthood.
[1:20:43] As council considers this important
[1:20:45] decision, we respectfully ask that the
[1:20:46] needs of the community remain at the
[1:20:48] forefront. This project is bigger than
[1:20:50] anyone neighborhood, anyone ward, or any
[1:20:53] individual interest. It's about
[1:20:55] investing in the future of New Tecumseth
[1:20:58] so that our families, our youth, our
[1:20:59] residents have access to the facilities
[1:21:01] that they both need and deserve.
[1:21:04] We hope that when the vote is cast, the
[1:21:05] decision is guided not by short-term
[1:21:07] considerations, but by a long-term
[1:21:09] vision for our community as a whole. The
[1:21:12] responsibility of council is to serve
[1:21:13] all of New Tec. And we believe that this
[1:21:15] project represents an opportunity to
[1:21:17] make a lasting investment that will
[1:21:19] benefit residents for generations.
[1:21:21] 20 years from now, nobody's going to
[1:21:23] remember this meeting or the details of
[1:21:25] it. But, they will remember that we
[1:21:27] chose to invest in this community and
[1:21:29] its future. They'll remember whether New
[1:21:31] Tecumseth had the vision to build
[1:21:33] infrastructure to match our growing
[1:21:35] town.
[1:21:36] Tonight, you have the opportunity to
[1:21:37] make a decision that will positively
[1:21:39] impact thousands of families, strengthen
[1:21:41] our local economy, elevate the profile
[1:21:43] of New Tecumseth across Ontario, and
[1:21:45] leave a lasting legacy for future
[1:21:47] generations.
[1:21:48] We respectfully ask that you support the
[1:21:50] Sports Dome and help build the future
[1:21:52] that our community deserves.
[1:21:54] Thank you very much for giving me your
[1:21:55] time.
[1:21:56] >> Thank you.
[1:21:59] » Thank you.
[1:21:59] >> [applause]
[1:22:03] » I know how tough it is to come up and
[1:22:05] speak at a microphone in front of a lot
[1:22:07] of people. Um so, well done. Next is
[1:22:10] Carlo Carlucci, New Tecumseth Ball
[1:22:12] Hockey League.
[1:22:15] Or, no.
[1:22:21] You're on Mike, Carlo. You are on my
[1:22:22] list. Is that correct?
[1:22:25] Okay, thank you.
[1:22:29] » After that last speech, I think I want
[1:22:31] to convert to soccer from ball hockey.
[1:22:33] That was well done.
[1:22:38] Um
[1:22:39] I guess my understanding is
[1:22:40] we're going to have a little 5-minute
[1:22:41] video here.
[1:22:43] And I'll let you watch the video.
[1:22:45] Leave me a minute or two to talk.
[1:22:48] So
[1:22:49] without further ado, I guess
[1:22:52] can we queue it up?
[1:22:55] >> I'm sorry, Carl. Is that the video video
[1:22:57] » I'm sorry, Carl. Is that the video video
[1:22:57] from Bill?
[1:22:57] >> Yes.
[1:22:58] » Yes.
[1:22:58] >> Oh, sorry. We thought we could do two
[1:22:59] » Oh, sorry. We thought we could do two
[1:22:59] separate things but we can get that.
[1:23:01] >> Okay.
[1:23:02] » Okay.
[1:23:02] >> From Bill.
[1:23:05] » Madam, are we good to go or would you
[1:23:06] like to come back? We're good? Okay,
[1:23:09] thank you. Go ahead.
[1:23:24] » Welcome to today's explainer. We're
[1:23:26] unpacking a really fascinating
[1:23:32] municipal crossroads today. You know,
[1:23:34] town planning often forces residents
[1:23:35] into these tough compromises where
[1:23:37] community needs completely clash with
[1:23:39] strict budgets and limited space. But
[1:23:41] right now, one town's advocates are
[1:23:42] pushing back. We're impartially Beeton's
[1:23:45] current redevelopment proposal.
[1:23:57] » I'm going to let everybody kind of sort
[1:23:59] that out and what I'll do is I'll move
[1:24:00] on to Suzanne Howey and we'll come back,
[1:24:02] okay, once we figure out where we're at.
[1:24:05] Uh Suzanne, you wanted to speak in
[1:24:07] regards to the Renegade Derby Dames and
[1:24:08] the AMA.
[1:24:15] Welcome.
[1:24:16] >> First off, I'd like to thank council and
[1:24:19] » First off, I'd like to thank council and
[1:24:19] yourself, Mayor, and everyone in the
[1:24:20] community here to uh
[1:24:23] >> You're good to
[1:24:24] » You're good to
[1:24:24] >> Sorry. Uh first, thank you worship your
[1:24:26] » Sorry. Uh first, thank you worship your
[1:24:26] mayor and council and everyone who's
[1:24:27] come out to support sports in Alliston.
[1:24:31] Um
[1:24:32] the AMA has been the home of the
[1:24:33] Renegade Derby Dames since we began 15
[1:24:35] years ago and we understand the
[1:24:36] importance of small arenas in these
[1:24:38] communities.
[1:24:39] I've been an advocate for women's sports
[1:24:42] since I was 13 years old when I joined
[1:24:44] high school or high school rugby. I'm
[1:24:46] sorry. I'm not a really good public
[1:24:47] speaker, but I was the only one
[1:24:48] available. So, you stick with me.
[1:24:51] So, I joined uh rugby when I was 13
[1:24:53] years old and I played all through high
[1:24:55] school, university, and beyond. Uh since
[1:24:57] then, I have also raced dirt bikes
[1:24:59] competitively for 8 years winning
[1:25:00] several provincial championships and for
[1:25:02] the last 11 years, I have had the joy of
[1:25:05] being a member of RDD, Simcoe County's
[1:25:07] only women's flat track derby
[1:25:09] association accredited league. And for
[1:25:11] the last 4 years, I've been honored to
[1:25:13] be a coach for the Simcoe Junior Roller
[1:25:14] Derby League.
[1:25:16] For 12 months, I've been the main person
[1:25:18] in charge of organizing the bookings.
[1:25:20] So, I understand how busy these dry pads
[1:25:22] are. The AMA is the only dry pad in
[1:25:25] Simcoe County.
[1:25:26] It's the only one that's 12 months a
[1:25:27] year, no ice. So, ball hockey and us,
[1:25:31] we're fine in the summer when there's
[1:25:33] lots of dry pads, when Beeton is dry. Uh
[1:25:38] but we've definitely come together a
[1:25:39] couple times when our events have been
[1:25:41] back-to-back. Um and you know what? We
[1:25:44] understand
[1:25:46] the importance of these arenas.
[1:25:47] Just going to take you on a little tour
[1:25:49] of typical Thursday night at uh
[1:25:52] at the AMA.
[1:25:53] So, at 6:30, we arrive and the parking
[1:25:55] lot is full. There is a blood services
[1:25:58] mobile in the corner and lets us know
[1:26:00] that there's a blood drive going on
[1:26:01] upstairs. These happen about once every
[1:26:03] two or three months and community
[1:26:05] members come in and donate blood for all
[1:26:07] of us.
[1:26:08] Uh furthermore, some of those cars
[1:26:10] belong to our junior parents and a
[1:26:11] couple of our juniors because Simcoe
[1:26:13] Junior Roller Derby is open from open
[1:26:15] for kids 8 to 18 years old.
[1:26:19] Upon entering the arena, you're greeted
[1:26:20] by Alliston's history, two display
[1:26:22] cases, one that honors the athletic
[1:26:23] history and the other that honors the
[1:26:25] military history of this town. Rounding
[1:26:27] the corner on the right, you'll see a
[1:26:28] display case given to us, uh RDD, photos
[1:26:32] of past and present skaters representing
[1:26:33] Alliston, Ontario, and even Canada
[1:26:35] across the province, country, and
[1:26:37] continent. There are trophies from
[1:26:39] tournaments won in Southern Ontario,
[1:26:42] Northern Ontario, Quebec, and even West
[1:26:44] Virginia.
[1:26:45] And MVP awards donated from all of our
[1:26:48] members.
[1:26:50] The surface behind us, as I said, is
[1:26:51] occupied currently by Simcoe Junior
[1:26:53] Roller Derby. Open to kids 9 to 18, this
[1:26:56] league is the inheritor of the Alliston
[1:26:58] Junior Roller Derby League. This has
[1:27:00] skaters trying out for Team Ontario, and
[1:27:02] they travel across the province
[1:27:03] representing Alliston Athletics.
[1:27:05] Here I would love to tell you all the
[1:27:07] amazing stats about the benefits of
[1:27:09] sports for kids, especially girls,
[1:27:12] but we need to get ready. So, we
[1:27:13] continue on our way. We're greeted by
[1:27:15] one of by one of the amazing and helpful
[1:27:16] staff who lets us know that our room is
[1:27:18] ready. Since 2011, they've also given us
[1:27:21] a locker.
[1:27:23] That's where we keep all of our
[1:27:23] equipment. I get you some equipment, we
[1:27:25] get geared up, and at 7:00 we hit the
[1:27:27] surface our wheels sliding. You hear
[1:27:29] someone call out that it's kind of
[1:27:30] slippery and how it's so much easier to
[1:27:32] stop here than other arenas,
[1:27:34] like Tottenham.
[1:27:37] Throughout the 2 hours, time flies, and
[1:27:39] we make new friends, sweat in the June
[1:27:40] heat. You'll hear a veteran skater with
[1:27:42] an image of a Valkyrie on her chest talk
[1:27:44] about how back in the day before they
[1:27:45] added heat, we'd skate with oven mitts
[1:27:47] on our hands to stay warm, but since
[1:27:48] they've added heat, it's great.
[1:27:51] Even in the summer, we won't complain.
[1:27:53] Upstairs, the blood donor clinic is
[1:27:54] wrapping up, and curious donors and
[1:27:56] volunteers peek around the blinds to say
[1:27:58] to wave to us, and we wave back.
[1:28:00] At the end of the 2 hours, we go back to
[1:28:02] the change room, we get undressed. As we
[1:28:05] leave, we exit the same way we came in
[1:28:06] and pause for a moment in front of the
[1:28:07] ball hockey case. There's memorial cards
[1:28:10] for teenagers
[1:28:11] teenagers who were taken too young.
[1:28:16] But the moment
[1:28:17] stop from getting too sad.
[1:28:19] >> Oh, you know what? Absolutely fantastic.
[1:28:22] » Oh, you know what? Absolutely fantastic.
[1:28:22] >> Stop from getting too sad as a sharp
[1:28:23] » Stop from getting too sad as a sharp
[1:28:23] crack from a ball behind us hits the
[1:28:25] glass. It's 9:00 p.m. And there's still
[1:28:28] kids out there on the pad. Ball hockey
[1:28:29] is going in full swing.
[1:28:31] The Alcona Memorial Arena and other
[1:28:32] small community arenas are not vacant
[1:28:34] spaces to be repurposed. They're part of
[1:28:36] our living community. We need to
[1:28:37] protect, preserve, and continue them so
[1:28:40] that the generations coming after us in
[1:28:42] New Tecumseth have places to build
[1:28:43] community as we have. There were
[1:28:45] children learn community
[1:28:48] children learn confidence
[1:28:50] uh where teenagers find belonging and
[1:28:52] adults stay active, build friendships,
[1:28:54] and give back as coaches, volunteers,
[1:28:55] and mentors. These are the places where
[1:28:57] community community organizations
[1:28:59] gather, where local history is honored,
[1:29:01] and memories are made every day.
[1:29:03] When talking about the future of New
[1:29:04] Tecumseth, we often talk about growth,
[1:29:06] and yes, growth is very important, but
[1:29:08] it should not come at the expenses of
[1:29:10] these spaces that are so important to
[1:29:11] our kids and to ourselves. Thank you
[1:29:13] very much.
[1:29:14] >> Thank you very much.
[1:29:15] » Thank you very much.
[1:29:15] >> [applause]
[1:29:22] » It is really tough to get up in front of
[1:29:24] that microphone, I I tell you, and I
[1:29:27] applaud everybody that has the courage
[1:29:28] to do it. So, thank you.
[1:29:30] Moving on will be Russell Woodward from
[1:29:32] FAB Beeton Community Centre project, and
[1:29:34] I would just like to I know it's been
[1:29:37] said before, but just to reiterate, our
[1:29:39] deputations are a maximum of 7 minutes,
[1:29:42] and we do that out of fairness so that
[1:29:43] it spread equally across the board. So,
[1:29:45] Russell, come on up.
[1:29:47] Welcome.
[1:29:48] >> Thank you.
[1:29:53] Thank you, council, for taking my
[1:29:55] deputation. Uh not necessarily a user
[1:29:58] group. Uh we were an organ- organization
[1:30:02] uh
[1:30:03] started to raise money for the
[1:30:05] uh
[1:30:06] what we feel will be new community
[1:30:08] center with an ice pad
[1:30:11] back but 15 years ago. So, most of us
[1:30:14] were previous users
[1:30:17] uh and our thoughts were that if we
[1:30:19] hadn't raised some money or enough money
[1:30:22] that we could be ready when the time
[1:30:24] comes. So, that's all that's all we are.
[1:30:26] We we're here to promote, you know, the
[1:30:28] use of it, the the existing users. We we
[1:30:31] want it to be inclusive of the existing
[1:30:33] users. Plus, we want it to be
[1:30:35] functional, multi-purpose. There's a lot
[1:30:39] of, you know, a lot of variation for for
[1:30:41] new users and and like existing users as
[1:30:45] well. So, so I won't take up much time,
[1:30:47] but uh we're behind the project
[1:30:49] certainly. Uh
[1:30:50] you know, number three I would think is
[1:30:52] our is our goal. So, thank you for your
[1:30:55] time.
[1:30:56] >> No, thank
[1:30:58] » No, thank
[1:30:58] >> [applause]
[1:31:02] » Thank you, Russell. And I just want to
[1:31:04] point out to all the user groups and
[1:31:06] those watching at home, these are all
[1:31:07] volunteers who put in a tremendous
[1:31:09] amount of their time effort. So, thank
[1:31:11] you for even volunteering tonight again.
[1:31:14] So, we're going to move on and Abby
[1:31:16] Woodward, Beeton Athletic Association,
[1:31:18] the Cash Draw, which Councillor Mark
[1:31:20] Bitson but anyhow, just come on up.
[1:31:25] Sorry, Mark.
[1:31:29] Welcome, Abby.
[1:31:31] >> Thank you.
[1:31:33] » Thank you.
[1:31:33] Last time we talked was a very different
[1:31:35] conversation.
[1:31:37] >> [laughter and gasps]
[1:31:37] » [laughter and gasps]
[1:31:37] >> Good evening, Mayor Norcross and council
[1:31:39] » Good evening, Mayor Norcross and council
[1:31:39] members. Thank you for giving me the
[1:31:41] opportunity to speak. Um as you know, my
[1:31:43] name is Abby Woodward and I'm the Cash
[1:31:44] Draw chairperson with the Beeton
[1:31:46] Athletic Association and I'm speaking to
[1:31:48] you today on behalf of our event about
[1:31:50] the importance of preserving an indoor
[1:31:52] ice and floor pad in Beeton in future
[1:31:54] recreation development plans.
[1:31:56] Just this past weekend, the Beeton
[1:31:58] Athletic Association hosted the return
[1:32:00] of our Cash Draw fundraiser. With more
[1:32:02] than 1,100 attendees, along with dozens
[1:32:05] of volunteers, they came together for an
[1:32:07] event that not only made its triumphant
[1:32:09] resurgence after 7 years, but it was a
[1:32:11] sold-out success.
[1:32:14] The overwhelming support demonstrated
[1:32:15] not only the success of the event, but
[1:32:17] also the growing pride and engagement
[1:32:19] within our community.
[1:32:21] The Cash Draw is about far more than
[1:32:23] hockey. It brings together families,
[1:32:26] local businesses, volunteers, and
[1:32:28] community members from all walks of
[1:32:30] life.
[1:32:31] Many attendees have no prior or current
[1:32:33] connection to hockey. Some had children
[1:32:35] who played in Beeton more than 20 years
[1:32:37] ago. Yet, they came back to support the
[1:32:40] revival of a tradition that has been
[1:32:41] part of this community for generations.
[1:32:44] The event also provided a valuable
[1:32:46] opportunity for our youth. High school
[1:32:48] students earn community involvement
[1:32:50] hours through event preparation and
[1:32:51] volunteer work, with some students
[1:32:53] completing half of their required
[1:32:55] volunteer hours in just the days leading
[1:32:57] up to and during the event.
[1:32:59] These experiences teach leadership,
[1:33:01] responsibility, and community service,
[1:33:03] and instill a sense of pride in a way
[1:33:05] that cannot be replicated elsewhere.
[1:33:08] The impact of the event extended beyond
[1:33:10] a a single evening. Following the Cash
[1:33:12] Draw, leftover food and supplies were
[1:33:14] donated to Shift, My Sister's Place in
[1:33:16] Alliston, and Our Town Food Bank in
[1:33:18] Tottenham, because that is what
[1:33:20] community is all about. Coming together
[1:33:22] not only to support local sport, but
[1:33:24] also to support our neighbors and
[1:33:26] organizations that serve those in need.
[1:33:29] Most importantly, an event of this size
[1:33:31] is only possible because of the
[1:33:33] facilities we currently have. The arena
[1:33:35] floor and hall provide the space,
[1:33:37] accessibility, and separation needed to
[1:33:39] accommodate over a thousand people.
[1:33:42] A gymnasium simply cannot support an
[1:33:44] event of this scale. It lacks the
[1:33:46] capacity, the flexibility required to
[1:33:49] host an event like the Cash Draw, and it
[1:33:51] does not provide the separate spaces
[1:33:52] that allow all attendees to participate
[1:33:55] comfortably.
[1:33:57] The atmosphere inside the arena that
[1:33:58] night was incredible.
[1:34:00] Seeing our barn full again was a
[1:34:02] powerful reminder of what makes Beeton
[1:34:04] special.
[1:34:05] The spirit, energy, and sense of
[1:34:07] belonging were undeniable.
[1:34:10] Past and present Stingers families stood
[1:34:12] alongside residents who have never
[1:34:13] played or had children in hockey, all
[1:34:16] united by a desire to support local
[1:34:18] minor hockey in their community.
[1:34:20] >> [snorts]
[1:34:20] » [snorts]
[1:34:20] >> To remove an indoor ice and floor pad
[1:34:22] » To remove an indoor ice and floor pad
[1:34:22] from Beeton would not simply be the loss
[1:34:24] of a recreation facility. It would be
[1:34:26] the loss of a gathering place, a
[1:34:28] volunteer hub, a fundraising venue, and
[1:34:30] a cornerstone of community traditions
[1:34:32] that have been built over decades.
[1:34:35] It would be dismantling the very space
[1:34:37] that allows events like the Cash Draw to
[1:34:39] exist and thrive.
[1:34:41] It would mean the removal of the very
[1:34:43] heart of our community.
[1:34:45] I strongly urge council to recognize
[1:34:47] that design option three is the only
[1:34:49] adequate choice being proposed to you
[1:34:51] tonight.
[1:34:52] An arena is more than ice. It is where
[1:34:54] traditions are built, where young people
[1:34:56] learn to give back, where volunteers
[1:34:58] come together, and where a community
[1:35:00] gathers to celebrate what makes Beeton
[1:35:02] unique.
[1:35:03] To remove an indoor ice and floor pad
[1:35:05] from Beeton would not be planning for
[1:35:06] the future. It would be dismantling
[1:35:09] traditions that generations of residents
[1:35:11] worked tirelessly to build.
[1:35:13] Thank you.
[1:35:16] » [applause]
[1:35:24] » Thank
[1:35:26] Thank you, Abby. Next is Mark Shaw,
[1:35:28] Beeton Athletic Association, Beeton
[1:35:30] Stingers, for the Beeton Community
[1:35:31] Centre project.
[1:35:33] Welcome.
[1:35:35] >> Thank you. Good evening, Mayor Norcross,
[1:35:37] » Thank you. Good evening, Mayor Norcross,
[1:35:37] and members of council.
[1:35:38] I'm Mark Shaw, and I'm here tonight as
[1:35:39] the president of the Beeton Athletic
[1:35:41] Association, representing our executive
[1:35:43] and our membership. I want to thank you
[1:35:45] for the opportunity to speak with you
[1:35:46] tonight about the future of the Beeton
[1:35:48] Community Centre.
[1:35:50] Uh the Beeton Memorial Arena, as you've
[1:35:52] heard so far, is more than just a
[1:35:54] building.
[1:35:55] Uh, it's where our children come to
[1:35:56] play, where they come to learn. Uh,
[1:35:58] lifelong friendships are formed.
[1:36:01] Uh, it's where our volunteers spend
[1:36:02] countless hours giving back to our
[1:36:04] community.
[1:36:05] And it's where generations of families
[1:36:06] have gathered long before I was a member
[1:36:09] of this association.
[1:36:11] Uh, this past season saw one of our most
[1:36:13] successful seasons ever, bringing home
[1:36:15] seven championships across all of our
[1:36:18] age groups.
[1:36:19] It's a history that dates back over 75
[1:36:21] years.
[1:36:22] Uh, where the BAA has called the arena
[1:36:25] home,
[1:36:25] this arena our home.
[1:36:27] Uh, Beeton hockey in Beeton dates back
[1:36:29] even further than that to the late
[1:36:31] 1800s. The arena itself was built
[1:36:34] through the efforts of this community,
[1:36:35] and it stands as a testament to what
[1:36:37] local residents can accomplish when they
[1:36:39] come together around a shared vision.
[1:36:42] Today, council is considering what comes
[1:36:43] next. And for the BAA, that answer is
[1:36:46] clear. We support option three as the
[1:36:49] preferred path forward. It's the option
[1:36:51] that best represents the needs of our
[1:36:53] association and our community for the
[1:36:55] future.
[1:36:57] Since 2020, participation in BAA
[1:36:58] programs has increased by over 90%.
[1:37:02] For the upcoming season, registration
[1:37:03] rates have already surpassed last year's
[1:37:05] numbers, and we expect additional growth
[1:37:08] and additional teams
[1:37:09] in the future. This growth is not just
[1:37:11] unique to our association. Council and
[1:37:14] town staff have heard clearly that
[1:37:15] participation is growing in our
[1:37:17] community. And your own planning
[1:37:19] documents continue
[1:37:21] anticipate that continued growth for
[1:37:23] recreation services.
[1:37:25] We have seen firsthand what happens when
[1:37:27] the arena capacity is unavailable.
[1:37:29] During the temporary closure of the
[1:37:31] arena in 23-24, user groups were
[1:37:33] displaced and struggled to find
[1:37:35] sufficient ice within the town and
[1:37:37] private rentals. Existing capacity for
[1:37:39] prime ice is already stretched, and if
[1:37:42] demand exceeds supply, then it will
[1:37:44] continue
[1:37:45] uh be challenging as our population
[1:37:47] continues to grow.
[1:37:49] A replacement community center without
[1:37:50] an arena floor and ice pad does not
[1:37:53] replace the Beeton Memorial Arena. It
[1:37:55] removes a core component of recreation
[1:37:57] infrastructure and services that serve
[1:37:59] thousands of residents every year.
[1:38:01] The arena supports hockey, figure
[1:38:03] skating, public skating, adult leagues,
[1:38:05] school programs, tournaments, community
[1:38:07] events. It provides opportunities for
[1:38:09] children, families, seniors, and
[1:38:11] volunteers to be active and stay
[1:38:13] connected. Option three is the only
[1:38:15] option before council that maintains
[1:38:17] those services for future generations.
[1:38:19] It's critical community infrastructure.
[1:38:22] I would also respectfully suggest that
[1:38:24] the community has been discussing the
[1:38:26] replacement of this facility for a long
[1:38:28] time.
[1:38:29] Studies have been completed,
[1:38:31] uh consultations have been held, options
[1:38:33] have been reviewed, and many mem- many
[1:38:36] members of this community have
[1:38:37] participated in good faith in those
[1:38:39] discussions over many years.
[1:38:42] Uh over $300,000 has already been
[1:38:43] raised, which represents a commitment uh
[1:38:46] from this community.
[1:38:47] So, our position is clear. We're asking
[1:38:49] council to select option three. It is
[1:38:51] the only option that maintains an arena
[1:38:53] capacity and preserves the level of
[1:38:54] recreation service that residents of
[1:38:56] Beeton enjoy today,
[1:38:58] and that's necessary to sustain our
[1:39:00] organization.
[1:39:02] Option one and two are largely addressed
[1:39:03] by plans presented this evening,
[1:39:05] specifically the expansion of the NTRC.
[1:39:09] Second, if option three proceeds, we ask
[1:39:10] that local user groups be provided fair
[1:39:13] and equitable access to replace ice
[1:39:15] allocations during
[1:39:17] the renovation and the construction.
[1:39:19] We understand that these things take
[1:39:20] time, and we worked well together during
[1:39:22] the closure in '23-'24.
[1:39:25] I will say if, and that's a strong if,
[1:39:27] option three is not selected, uh we ask
[1:39:29] council
[1:39:31] uh to provide certainty to the
[1:39:33] community. We're requesting a clear
[1:39:35] timeline, funding strategy, and
[1:39:37] implementation plan for the replacement
[1:39:40] of arena capacity in Beeton.
[1:39:43] And given the investments
[1:39:45] uh that have been made over the last few
[1:39:46] years with the roof and the lighting and
[1:39:48] the uh chiller equipment of the BMA,
[1:39:51] we're asking that the existing Beeton
[1:39:52] Memorial Arena remain operational until
[1:39:55] replacement capacity is approved and
[1:39:56] scheduled for construction within the
[1:39:59] Beeton settlement boundary. Without a
[1:40:01] clear commitment,
[1:40:02] we risk this decision continuing to be
[1:40:04] delayed
[1:40:05] uh for future council members and future
[1:40:07] residents to to handle uh the challenge
[1:40:10] that we've been facing now for over 15
[1:40:11] years.
[1:40:12] The people of Beeton deserve that
[1:40:14] clarity.
[1:40:15] Um and uh
[1:40:17] and they deserve assurance that a
[1:40:19] replacement facility will be built by
[1:40:21] this community and remain a priority.
[1:40:24] Uh just last weekend, as you heard by
[1:40:25] Abby, 1,100 members of our community
[1:40:28] vol- and volunteers and sponsors uh
[1:40:30] attended our castra.
[1:40:32] The arena was full um
[1:40:33] >> [snorts]
[1:40:34] » [snorts]
[1:40:34] >> because this building continues to serve
[1:40:36] » because this building continues to serve
[1:40:36] as a gathering place and bring people
[1:40:37] together.
[1:40:38] Council has the opportunity to make a
[1:40:40] decision that will serve residents not
[1:40:42] just for the next few years, but for
[1:40:43] generations to come.
[1:40:45] So, on behalf of the Beeton Athletic
[1:40:46] Association and the families that we
[1:40:48] represent, I thank you for your time and
[1:40:50] your service to the community. Thank
[1:40:52] you.
[1:40:54] » [applause]
[1:41:02] » Thank you. Next on my list is Donna Horn
[1:41:04] from TNT Hockey.
[1:41:07] In regards to the Beeton Community
[1:41:08] Centre project. Welcome, Donna. You're
[1:41:10] all You're no stranger to being here.
[1:41:12] You're no stranger to being up here.
[1:41:15] >> Turn this on? There we go.
[1:41:17] » Turn this on? There we go.
[1:41:17] Okay, my focus tonight is ice. First of
[1:41:20] all, I'd like to say that uh all the
[1:41:23] deputations have been fantastic. Uh
[1:41:26] I think everybody has a lot of heart and
[1:41:28] passion for the community and for the
[1:41:31] youth.
[1:41:32] Um
[1:41:34] but because I'm president of TNT, I'm
[1:41:37] here about the ice.
[1:41:39] First of all, the Alliston Memorial
[1:41:41] Arena and the Beeton Memorial Arena
[1:41:43] should not be torn down or should be
[1:41:47] gotten rid of. The history
[1:41:49] behind both those facilities and um
[1:41:53] the hard work and dedication that went
[1:41:56] into build those facilities from the
[1:41:57] community, there's a lot of long-time
[1:42:01] families in the community and they
[1:42:04] remember when those things were built
[1:42:07] and what happened.
[1:42:08] Um both floors can be used for ball
[1:42:12] hockey. Uh
[1:42:14] they are being used now, but if you took
[1:42:16] the ice out of Beeton, it could be used
[1:42:18] full-time there, too.
[1:42:20] Um
[1:42:22] I was in Beeton a week or so ago and it
[1:42:25] looked great. It's been well looked
[1:42:28] after and maintained and yes, it is an
[1:42:31] old facility like Alliston, but they
[1:42:33] both look
[1:42:35] very good. And also the um
[1:42:38] the halls where people can rent for
[1:42:42] facilities for parties and stuff. We
[1:42:44] don't have any place in the town
[1:42:46] that
[1:42:47] we can do that. I realize we're the town
[1:42:50] of New Tecumseth, but each community, as
[1:42:54] you know,
[1:42:55] um take a lot of pride in their own
[1:42:58] community as well as the whole town.
[1:43:01] So, sometimes when we get talking about
[1:43:04] what we have to do, it doesn't always
[1:43:07] uh suit certain people or
[1:43:11] um
[1:43:12] maybe there's a misunderstanding.
[1:43:14] After listening to everything tonight,
[1:43:17] uh
[1:43:18] we're going to have a conflict with ice.
[1:43:21] There's no doubt about it.
[1:43:23] And if everything goes through that you
[1:43:26] guys are talking about,
[1:43:28] I would suggest that the third pad in
[1:43:32] New Tecumseth become the real third pad
[1:43:34] like it was intended to.
[1:43:36] And at least we would have that pad
[1:43:39] to continue on our hockey
[1:43:42] until you decide what you're going to do
[1:43:44] with Blenheim.
[1:43:46] I think the what they've proposed for
[1:43:48] Blenheim is is good and it saves the
[1:43:51] community and the heritage,
[1:43:54] but I think you should be looking at a
[1:43:56] new double pad for Blenheim out in one
[1:43:58] of the um
[1:44:00] new subdivisions.
[1:44:02] As everyone knows, a single pad loses
[1:44:04] money.
[1:44:05] A twin pad will run pretty much even and
[1:44:09] a third pad will make you money.
[1:44:11] So,
[1:44:13] just to replace Blenheim ice with
[1:44:16] another ice pad
[1:44:18] really doesn't help our ice situation.
[1:44:21] As uh stated here, we're growing,
[1:44:25] Blenheim's growing, girls hockey's
[1:44:27] growing.
[1:44:28] We're short of ice now, let alone
[1:44:31] take one of the pads out and you're
[1:44:33] talking about no ice until 2036.
[1:44:38] That just can't happen because
[1:44:41] we just won't be able to service the
[1:44:43] community. And as far as renting other
[1:44:45] ice,
[1:44:46] somebody should try and do that.
[1:44:52] » [applause]
[1:44:53] >> It's
[1:44:54] » It's
[1:44:54] it's impossible. We have other
[1:44:56] communities using our ice right now.
[1:44:59] Caledon, some of the other places. No,
[1:45:01] it's it's not feasible.
[1:45:04] We are short of ice now and you take out
[1:45:08] Blenheim and reconstruct it and you tell
[1:45:11] us we're not going to have ice till 30
[1:45:12] or 36,
[1:45:14] then you're going to have an awful lot
[1:45:16] of very upset kids out there, I'll tell
[1:45:19] you, because we're right to the borders
[1:45:21] now.
[1:45:22] And uh
[1:45:23] to suggest that we take a one of the ice
[1:45:26] pads out of uh
[1:45:28] commission just won't work.
[1:45:30] So, we have to take a really close look
[1:45:34] at how we're going to do it, when we're
[1:45:35] going to do it, what we're going to do
[1:45:37] to make sure that
[1:45:40] the community, the youth, and
[1:45:44] everyone else that uses the ice, I'm
[1:45:46] speaking for hockey, but there's all
[1:45:47] kinds of other ices
[1:45:49] uses
[1:45:50] will have the facilities they need.
[1:45:53] Um
[1:45:56] The other thing is the parking.
[1:45:59] At At New Glasgow Rec Center right now,
[1:46:03] if the Hornets are in the playoffs or if
[1:46:06] TNT's in the playoffs,
[1:46:09] the parking lot is full. They're parking
[1:46:11] out on the street. So, now you're going
[1:46:13] to put in a pool and these other
[1:46:15] facilities, and they said, "Well, we'll
[1:46:18] keep the parking the same." Well, that's
[1:46:21] not going to cut it. You're going to
[1:46:22] have people parking down the sides of
[1:46:24] the road, everywhere. And the same thing
[1:46:27] with Trenton. If you try and cram a
[1:46:29] whole bunch of stuff into that what's
[1:46:31] left in Trenton, where are they going to
[1:46:33] park?
[1:46:34] I mean, and I don't think building a
[1:46:37] twin pad
[1:46:39] in one of the new subdivisions is a bad
[1:46:42] thing. Some people say about walking.
[1:46:44] Well, when we built New Glasgow Rec
[1:46:47] Center, we were out in the middle of a
[1:46:48] field, and everybody worried about how
[1:46:51] the older people would get to the rink.
[1:46:53] They got to the rink, no problems. We
[1:46:56] provided some buses, we provided some
[1:46:58] shuttles, and now it's not even a
[1:47:01] question.
[1:47:03] So, um
[1:47:05] I hope that
[1:47:06] you take all the deputations
[1:47:09] seriously and you really think and talk
[1:47:13] to the user groups before you make any
[1:47:15] solid decisions. Thank you for your
[1:47:17] time.
[1:47:18] >> Thank you, Donna.
[1:47:19] » Thank you, Donna.
[1:47:19] >> [applause]
[1:47:25] » And then the last we had on our list was
[1:47:27] the presentation. Are we ready to go
[1:47:29] with that video?
[1:47:32] We are? Okay.
[1:47:35] Yeah, go ahead, please.
[1:47:45] » explainer. Because we are looking at a
[1:47:47] really fascinating strategic
[1:47:49] opportunity. We're talking about a
[1:47:50] single municipal renovation that
[1:47:53] perfectly bridges an immediate community
[1:47:55] need with a massive 20-year
[1:47:57] infrastructure vision. So, we're going
[1:47:59] to unpack the New Tecumseth Ball Hockey
[1:48:01] League's master plan and see exactly how
[1:48:04] one specific, really clever facility
[1:48:06] swap can basically secure two solid
[1:48:08] decades of community sports.
[1:48:10] Here is the agenda for our explainer
[1:48:12] today. We'll quickly run through the
[1:48:13] 20-year facility road map, the two-pad
[1:48:16] minimum policy, the NTRC renovation
[1:48:19] opportunity, the technical fit and
[1:48:20] timeline, and wrap up with securing
[1:48:23] immediate system stability. Let's get to
[1:48:25] it. All right, section one, the 20-year
[1:48:28] facility road map. Let's start with the
[1:48:30] macro-level view. So, we're looking at
[1:48:32] an official five-phase chronological
[1:48:34] plan that stretches all the way from
[1:48:36] 2026 to 2040. And the core mission here
[1:48:39] is a bit of a juggling act. The town has
[1:48:42] to maintain its seasonal recreational
[1:48:43] spaces, but at the same time,
[1:48:45] aggressively establish year-round dry
[1:48:47] pads. Because as older arenas start
[1:48:50] aging out of the system, this road map
[1:48:51] calculates exactly how to overlap those
[1:48:53] facility life cycles. The goal, making
[1:48:56] sure that thousands of local
[1:48:57] participants, families, and youth
[1:48:59] athletes literally never lose their
[1:49:01] place to play. And that brings us to
[1:49:03] this one, absolutely non-negotiable
[1:49:05] guiding principle. It anchors the whole
[1:49:07] 20-year road map. Never allow a facility
[1:49:10] transition to create a dry pad capacity
[1:49:12] deficit. It's a simple rule, right? But
[1:49:14] it dictates every single strategic move
[1:49:16] from here on out. You simply cannot tear
[1:49:18] down or repurpose an old facility until
[1:49:20] the new one is fully online and ready to
[1:49:22] go. It's all about protecting community
[1:49:24] assets and making sure residents never
[1:49:26] face a blackout period.
[1:49:27] Moving right along to section two, the
[1:49:30] two-pad minimum policy. This is the
[1:49:32] absolute baseline. Two is the magic
[1:49:35] number here. The paramount goal is to
[1:49:37] permanently guarantee a minimum of two
[1:49:39] full-time year-round dry pads across New
[1:49:42] Tecumseth. And this isn't just about
[1:49:44] keeping things the way they are today,
[1:49:45] it's about looking ahead. The town's
[1:49:47] official plan is forecasting a massive
[1:49:49] population surge, which is expected to
[1:49:51] peak between 2035 and 2040. So, locking
[1:49:54] in this two-pad minimum is really the
[1:49:55] only way to support current membership
[1:49:57] while absorbing all that explosive
[1:49:59] expected growth. Without it, the
[1:50:01] community's recreational system would
[1:50:02] completely buckle. Which brings us to
[1:50:04] section three, the NTRC renovation
[1:50:06] opportunity. Let's zoom in on a very
[1:50:08] practical solution.
[1:50:14] As part of the broader draft recreation,
[1:50:16] culture, and library action plan, a
[1:50:18] really concrete, immediate opportunity
[1:50:20] has popped up. There's a proposal to
[1:50:22] renovate the current New Tecumseth
[1:50:23] Recreation Centre, the NTRC Fieldhouse.
[1:50:26] Now, right now, local soccer programs
[1:50:28] use this space year-round, but the idea
[1:50:30] is to fundamentally rebuild this space
[1:50:31] to perfectly suit the specific needs of
[1:50:33] a dedicated year-round ball hockey
[1:50:35] facility. It's a super targeted
[1:50:36] repurposing of an existing municipal
[1:50:38] footprint, which is incredibly smart.
[1:50:40] It's way more efficient than building a
[1:50:41] brand new facility from scratch, it
[1:50:43] saves a ton of time, and it makes great
[1:50:44] use of taxpayer funds.
[1:50:46] Okay, section four, technical fit and
[1:50:48] timeline. Let's look at the actual
[1:50:50] logistics of making this happen. So, the
[1:50:52] league actively reviewed the preliminary
[1:50:54] concepts for this space, and they
[1:50:55] confirmed it is a perfect fit. The
[1:50:58] absolute standout feature, it operates
[1:51:00] in a climate-controlled environment.
[1:51:02] That is a massive upgrade for year-round
[1:51:04] play. Beyond that, the site has
[1:51:06] fantastic parking, and critically, it's
[1:51:08] really close to the existing Alliston
[1:51:10] Memorial Arena, the AMA. Having those
[1:51:13] two facilities in such close proximity
[1:51:15] makes it the ultimate primary hub for
[1:51:17] running large regional tournaments. It's
[1:51:19] a strategic game-changer.
[1:51:21] But, here is the real strategic
[1:51:23] masterstroke when presenting this to
[1:51:25] council. This ball hockey facility is
[1:51:27] framed entirely as an independent
[1:51:29] initiative. That is absolutely crucial.
[1:51:31] It means it doesn't have to get bogged
[1:51:33] down by the massive budget debates or
[1:51:34] the super long timelines of the broader
[1:51:36] aquatic and wellness center project.
[1:51:38] Advancing it separately means we can
[1:51:40] deliver it to the community much, much
[1:51:42] earlier. It's a highly efficient, very
[1:51:44] quick win for the town.
[1:51:46] To actually pull this off though, we
[1:51:47] have to follow a very clear domino
[1:51:49] effect. As perfect as the NTRC
[1:51:51] Fieldhouse is, you obviously can't just
[1:51:53] kick soccer out. The whole timeline
[1:51:55] hinges on a new sports dome being built
[1:51:57] first. So, step one, council constructs
[1:51:59] the dome, which takes roughly 12 to 18
[1:52:01] months. Step two, soccer seamlessly
[1:52:04] relocates over to their brand new home.
[1:52:06] And finally, step three, that newly
[1:52:07] vacant fieldhouse is converted into the
[1:52:09] ball hockey hub over the next 6 to 12
[1:52:11] months. It's a beautifully orchestrated
[1:52:13] shuffle that maximizes the town's space
[1:52:15] without displacing anybody. Finally,
[1:52:17] section five, securing immediate system
[1:52:20] stability. Let's zoom back out and look
[1:52:22] at the big picture. By acting on the
[1:52:24] NTRC right now, the town is basically
[1:52:26] building an immediate operational safety
[1:52:28] net.
[1:52:29] You secure the near term by running the
[1:52:31] newly renovated NTRC right alongside the
[1:52:33] aging, but still essential, Alliston
[1:52:35] Memorial Arena.
[1:52:37] That locks in the required two pads
[1:52:38] today.
[1:52:39] It absorbs all that immediate pressure,
[1:52:41] which means the much more complex
[1:52:43] long-term vision, like building the
[1:52:45] brand new Beeton Community Centre, can
[1:52:46] proceed completely safely on its own
[1:52:48] separate timeline without holding the
[1:52:50] entire league hostage. Because this
[1:52:52] single pragmatic move triggers a massive
[1:52:54] systemic impact. The master plan
[1:52:56] actually reveals that in 2029, active
[1:52:59] construction in Beeton is going to
[1:53:01] create a total blackout year where no
[1:53:03] pad is available there. If the NTRC
[1:53:05] isn't fully online by then, the whole
[1:53:07] system essentially collapses into a
[1:53:09] massive capacity deficit. Getting the
[1:53:11] NTRC done before 2029 completely
[1:53:14] prevents that blackout. It ensures
[1:53:16] thousands of locals aren't displaced,
[1:53:17] and it saves the town from having to
[1:53:19] make rushed, panicked compromises later
[1:53:21] on. It's just really smart, proactive
[1:53:23] planning. And that leaves us with a
[1:53:25] pretty compelling question as we wrap up
[1:53:27] today's explainer. In the complex world
[1:53:29] of municipal planning, we are always
[1:53:31] looking for that one domino that sets
[1:53:33] everything else up for success, right?
[1:53:36] So, is securing this functional,
[1:53:38] climate-controlled NTRC solution today
[1:53:40] the exact step needed to confidently
[1:53:42] unlock the entire, ambitious 20-year
[1:53:45] road map? When you really look at the
[1:53:46] efficiency, the demographics, and the
[1:53:48] timeline, it certainly seems like this
[1:53:50] single renovation is the keystone to the
[1:53:52] whole puzzle. What do you think? Thanks
[1:53:54] for joining me on this deep dive. I hope
[1:53:55] this gave you a crystal-clear
[1:53:57] understanding of the blueprint for New
[1:53:58] Takoma Park's recreational future.
[1:54:06] » And if anybody doesn't If anybody
[1:54:08] doesn't realize whose voice that was, it
[1:54:09] was Carlo.
[1:54:11] Also, Carlo, you've got a minute left on
[1:54:12] your presentation if you'd like to go
[1:54:13] ahead.
[1:54:16] » Uh in support of having the soccer dome
[1:54:19] created in order to move
[1:54:21] um over to the field house in order to
[1:54:23] open up
[1:54:24] what we've always wanted, which is a
[1:54:25] dedicated ball hockey rink. And as
[1:54:27] mentioned, climate-controlled, but the
[1:54:29] thing that wasn't mentioned, and most
[1:54:31] importantly to us, is we can control the
[1:54:33] size of the pad,
[1:54:35] which has always been an ongoing battle
[1:54:37] with the situation in Wheaton and the
[1:54:39] ice hockey rink.
[1:54:40] So, that alleviates that concern.
[1:54:42] I think you're going to appease the two
[1:54:44] largest membership groups. Soccer's
[1:54:46] already mentioned 3,900 members.
[1:54:49] I have 1,800 members, but we operate
[1:54:51] year-round, so it's really about 4,000
[1:54:52] registrations during a year.
[1:54:54] So, I think uh financially, it's the two
[1:54:58] probably
[1:54:59] uh least expensive expenses for the town
[1:55:02] by uh doing these two things
[1:55:05] and appeasing the two biggest user
[1:55:07] groups. And the last thing,
[1:55:09] a reminder, when it comes to our user
[1:55:11] group and our sport,
[1:55:13] 95% of the residents that are on the
[1:55:15] floor are from New Tecumseth,
[1:55:18] not from outside.
[1:55:20] That's it. Thank you.
[1:55:21] >> Thank you very much.
[1:55:23] » Thank you very much.
[1:55:23] >> [applause]
[1:55:27] » Okay, I now have 6:53. I'm going to
[1:55:29] adjourn till 7:00 cuz I I know we we got
[1:55:32] to move on to the next section we have
[1:55:33] to discuss, debate, and make a decision.
[1:55:35] So, the bathrooms are right out here in
[1:55:37] the hallways. If anybody would like to
[1:55:39] use them, just go around the corner, and
[1:55:41] I would ask for everybody to back at
[1:55:42] 7:00, please.
[1:58:54] » Mhm.
[2:09:16] » is yours, so go ahead, sir.
[2:09:19] Or I'm not sure how it
[2:09:21] Go look at the clerk, please.
[2:09:23] >> Okay.
[2:09:25] » Okay.
[2:09:25] >> There you go.
[2:09:26] » There you go.
[2:09:26] >> Hi, I'm Bill Houston. Thank you, uh, Mr.
[2:09:29] » Hi, I'm Bill Houston. Thank you, uh, Mr.
[2:09:29] Mayor and Council. Got a quick little
[2:09:31] video here to spin for you, which view,
[2:09:33] um,
[2:09:34] share our viewpoint from New Tec Ball
[2:09:36] Hockey and also myself, uh, being a
[2:09:39] resident of Beeton and the rest of the
[2:09:41] community.
[2:09:42] Thank you.
[2:09:43] >> Welcome to today's explainer. We're
[2:09:45] » Welcome to today's explainer. We're
[2:09:45] unpacking a really fascinating municipal
[2:09:47] crossroads today. You know, town
[2:09:49] planning often forces residents into
[2:09:51] these tough compromises, where community
[2:09:54] needs completely clash with strict
[2:09:55] budgets and limited space. But right
[2:09:57] now, one town's advocates are pushing
[2:10:00] back.
[2:10:01] We're impartially analyzing Beeton's
[2:10:02] current redevelopment proposals for
[2:10:04] their aging arena, putting them side by
[2:10:06] side with a paradigm-shifting new
[2:10:08] proposal from local sports
[2:10:09] organizations. They're aiming to prove
[2:10:12] that, well, you just don't always have
[2:10:13] to choose.
[2:10:15] Here's our road map. We'll briefly
[2:10:17] examine the Beeton recreation dilemma,
[2:10:19] evaluate the town's current proposals,
[2:10:21] introduce the highly anticipated fourth
[2:10:23] option, explore its multi-use features,
[2:10:25] and finally break down the strategic
[2:10:27] investment. All right, let's jump right
[2:10:30] into part one, the Beaton Recreation
[2:10:32] Dilemma.
[2:10:34] So, the urgent context here centers
[2:10:36] around the Beaton Memorial Arena. Built
[2:10:38] way back in 1947, it's officially
[2:10:41] nearing the end of its useful life.
[2:10:43] Recent structural failures actually
[2:10:45] forced the town into short-term
[2:10:46] stabilization mode, so doing nothing is
[2:10:48] absolutely impossible at this point.
[2:10:50] But, residents feel trapped in a deeply
[2:10:52] frustrating false dilemma. The town's
[2:10:55] initial options left the community
[2:10:56] feeling completely cornered, asked to
[2:10:58] choose between a community center
[2:11:00] without a sports rink or a single-use
[2:11:02] arena without community gathering
[2:11:03] spaces. This either/or scenario really
[2:11:06] threatens to fracture the town, forcing
[2:11:08] neighbors to essentially pit youth
[2:11:09] sports against seniors programs. Nobody
[2:11:12] wants to see that happen.
[2:11:14] Moving on to part two, let's evaluate
[2:11:16] the current options on the table. Let's
[2:11:18] start by deconstructing
[2:11:20] options one and two. Now, while these
[2:11:22] models do provide gymnasiums, local
[2:11:24] advocates point out a really glaring
[2:11:26] gap. They entirely abandon the town's
[2:11:28] massive ball hockey and winter ice
[2:11:30] community by ditching a new rink.
[2:11:33] To compensate, documents show the town
[2:11:35] might try to temporarily keep the old
[2:11:37] failing arena open. But, and this is a
[2:11:39] huge but, that strategy hides a shocking
[2:11:42] $15.7 million capital cost over the next
[2:11:45] 10 years. It's literally like pouring
[2:11:47] millions into a totaled car just to keep
[2:11:49] it running for a few more miles. It's an
[2:11:50] incredibly unsustainable financial drain
[2:11:53] just to keep the lights on in a building
[2:11:54] that's past its prime. So, to avoid that
[2:11:56] trap, the town considered option three.
[2:11:59] It protects a rink, but it comes at a
[2:12:01] massive cost. It relies on an oversized
[2:12:04] NHL-style model sprawling across 59,600
[2:12:07] square feet, carrying a staggering
[2:12:09] $43.864
[2:12:11] million price tag. Advocates argue it's
[2:12:13] an absolute space hog.
[2:12:15] Dropping this massive footprint onto the
[2:12:17] property almost entirely cannibalizes
[2:12:19] the much-needed gymnasium, youth areas,
[2:12:21] and meeting rooms. So, it solves the
[2:12:24] rink problem on paper, sure, but it
[2:12:26] totally ignores the broader community
[2:12:27] hub needs, forcing that frustrating
[2:12:29] either/or compromise we just talked
[2:12:31] about.
[2:12:32] That brings us to section three,
[2:12:34] introducing the fourth option. Because
[2:12:37] residents felt cornered by those
[2:12:38] choices, local sports organizations
[2:12:40] stepped up with an alternative. They
[2:12:42] proposed a 55,000 square-foot hybrid
[2:12:44] community center to prove the town can
[2:12:46] build smarter, not just bigger. The
[2:12:49] defining feature is a brilliant piece of
[2:12:51] engineering. They shrank the rink.
[2:12:53] Instead of forcing a massive NHL pad
[2:12:55] into the design, this proposal relies on
[2:12:57] a highly efficient 77-x-177
[2:12:59] foot multi-use pad. This ball hockey
[2:13:02] first design fully supports elite
[2:13:04] development while remaining completely
[2:13:05] compatible with winter ice. It's a
[2:13:07] really strategic engineering solution
[2:13:09] that proves you can do more with less,
[2:13:11] optimizing the footprint without
[2:13:12] sacrificing an ounce of actual function.
[2:13:15] Which leads us straight into part four,
[2:13:18] a true multi-use hub. By right-sizing
[2:13:21] that rink, the floor plan acts like a
[2:13:23] clever puzzle, perfectly snapping
[2:13:25] together. Because the rink takes less
[2:13:27] space, the fourth option seamlessly
[2:13:29] integrates comprehensive features within
[2:13:31] the exact same footprint. Just picture
[2:13:33] walking in. Right alongside the ice, you
[2:13:35] have a peripheral walking track, a
[2:13:37] dedicated fitness center, and a full
[2:13:38] gymnasium for sports like pickleball and
[2:13:40] basketball. It beautifully balances ice
[2:13:43] and dry floor recreation all under one
[2:13:45] roof, protecting those exact community
[2:13:47] elements that option three would have
[2:13:48] completely cannibalized.
[2:13:50] And this translates directly into broad
[2:13:52] community impact. Serving over 4,000 dry
[2:13:55] pad users isn't just a metric on a
[2:13:57] spreadsheet. It transitions this whole
[2:13:59] project into a true multi-generational
[2:14:01] gathering place.
[2:14:03] By creating flexible community rooms and
[2:14:05] diverse athletic spaces, the facility
[2:14:07] meets the needs of youth, families, and
[2:14:09] seniors all at once. It keeps the entire
[2:14:11] community fully connected. It ensures a
[2:14:13] grandparent walking the track can be in
[2:14:15] the same building at the exact same time
[2:14:17] as a teenager practicing ball hockey.
[2:14:19] Honestly, it's a real game-changer.
[2:14:22] Now, let's look at part five, the
[2:14:23] strategic investment. We've got to
[2:14:25] transition to the hard numbers here
[2:14:27] because advocates argue this fourth
[2:14:29] option is a highly strategic financial
[2:14:31] decision for taxpayers. Just consider
[2:14:33] the massive cost of option three,
[2:14:35] $43.864
[2:14:37] million for an oversized arena. Now,
[2:14:39] compare that to the alternative. The
[2:14:41] construction estimate for the fully
[2:14:43] integrated fourth option is just $40.975
[2:14:46] million. That's
[2:14:47] Let's really drive home the ultimate
[2:14:49] closing argument here. This fourth
[2:14:50] option is $2.9 million cheaper than
[2:14:53] option three. That massive savings buys
[2:14:56] the town significantly more value.
[2:14:58] That's enough extra budget to completely
[2:15:00] secure the hub features, the walking
[2:15:02] track, the fitness center, the gym, and
[2:15:04] the meeting rooms. It's pitched as a
[2:15:05] balanced, forward-looking model. It
[2:15:07] prepares Beaton for major population
[2:15:09] growth, gearing up for 80,000 residents
[2:15:11] without out sacrificing one user group
[2:15:13] for another, and crucially, without
[2:15:15] burying taxpayers in hidden maintenance
[2:15:17] costs for an old building. Which brings
[2:15:19] us to our final, somewhat provocative
[2:15:21] question. As the town makes its ultimate
[2:15:23] decision, what's going to happen? Will
[2:15:25] Beaton settle for a compromise building
[2:15:27] that fractures the community, or will
[2:15:29] they invest strategically in a true hub
[2:15:31] that supports next generation growth?
[2:15:33] It's a massive choice, one that will
[2:15:35] absolutely define the community for the
[2:15:36] next 50 years. Thanks so much for
[2:15:38] joining us for this explainer. We'll see
[2:15:40] you next time.
[2:15:48] » Huh.
[2:15:49] So, the ask is to basically seek out
[2:15:52] another option, a hybrid option as we've
[2:15:54] shown.
[2:15:55] And wanted to just mention that the
[2:15:57] large ice hockey facility, the NHL pad,
[2:16:00] it really doesn't work for for ball
[2:16:02] hockey, and that it would likely cause
[2:16:05] us to need to exit that in the summer,
[2:16:08] which is about 400 hours usage currently
[2:16:11] right now. So, thank you.
[2:16:13] >> Thank [snorts] you, Bill.
[2:16:15] » Thank [snorts] you, Bill.
[2:16:15] >> [applause]
[2:16:25] » So, that is our
[2:16:27] registered deputation.
[2:16:28] So, we have a motion to be resolved that
[2:16:30] the deputations from the public be
[2:16:32] received. Uh Counselor Masters, would
[2:16:34] you move that? Deputy Mayor, would you
[2:16:35] second that? Thank you.
[2:16:37] At this moment, is there anybody from
[2:16:39] the audience that would like to
[2:16:42] Sorry, all those in favor?
[2:16:45] Okay, all those opposed?
[2:16:48] Thank you.
[2:16:50] So, this is Is there anybody from the
[2:16:52] audience that would like to make a
[2:16:53] comment? I can't see that
[2:16:56] You please come on up.
[2:17:01] Welcome, and just state your name,
[2:17:03] please.
[2:17:04] Hi.
[2:17:13] » Am I on?
[2:17:16] Hello, Mayor, Deputy Mayor, council
[2:17:18] members,
[2:17:19] um administration Sorry, administration
[2:17:21] and staff, and also fellow community
[2:17:24] members.
[2:17:25] Tonight's been pretty exciting. We've
[2:17:27] heard a lot of exciting proposals
[2:17:30] of what could be built in our township.
[2:17:32] We've heard a lot about the heart and
[2:17:34] soul
[2:17:35] of our community members.
[2:17:37] Um what I think we need to step back and
[2:17:38] reflect on is what our manager of
[2:17:41] financial services has pointed out to
[2:17:43] us.
[2:17:44] The presentations feel a bit like
[2:17:46] dangling the brochure for Disney World
[2:17:48] in front of our kids when our budget
[2:17:51] allows us to go to Wonderland.
[2:17:53] Um
[2:17:54] if our township moves ahead with these
[2:17:56] three recreational proposals,
[2:17:59] we are obviously putting our township
[2:18:00] towards our affordability affordability
[2:18:03] debt ratio tolerance.
[2:18:06] My question to council would be where is
[2:18:09] the proposed um
[2:18:12] backing for these projects coming from?
[2:18:14] And what will our increases in tax
[2:18:16] taxation look like? Um from what I've
[2:18:18] read, we're looking at anywhere from an
[2:18:20] 8.5 to 11.37%
[2:18:22] increase in our property taxes.
[2:18:25] Um which is significant, especially in
[2:18:27] today's age. Um so to my fellow
[2:18:29] counselor or community members, I would
[2:18:31] ask who is in favor of of that kind of
[2:18:34] increase in our taxation?
[2:18:36] Um sports and recreation are very
[2:18:40] important to our youth and to our elders
[2:18:42] as as well. Um there are so many other
[2:18:45] opportunities available to our township
[2:18:47] that might not cost quite as much money.
[2:18:49] Um
[2:18:50] with our restrictions on developmental
[2:18:53] charges coming in, um I think it's very
[2:18:55] prudent to step back and look at where
[2:18:57] we're putting ourselves financially
[2:18:59] moving forward.
[2:19:01] Thank you.
[2:19:02] >> Thank you very much.
[2:19:06] » [applause]
[2:19:09] » I'm just looking out at the audience
[2:19:13] and I I don't see anyone, so thank you
[2:19:15] very much. So now I'm going to go to
[2:19:18] council. We had quite a few deputations.
[2:19:21] We had quite a few presentations, so
[2:19:23] this is your opportunity council to ask
[2:19:25] questions
[2:19:27] of either the presenters or the well,
[2:19:29] the presenters. So counselor Bess is
[2:19:31] first, please.
[2:19:33] >> Uh thank you, worship.
[2:19:34] » Uh thank you, worship.
[2:19:34] >> [clears throat]
[2:19:34] » [clears throat]
[2:19:34] >> And thank you to everyone who spoke this
[2:19:37] » And thank you to everyone who spoke this
[2:19:37] evening, to the presenters of the
[2:19:39] projects, to staff, and to council and
[2:19:42] everyone else that's been in the room
[2:19:43] here to to try to digest all that's
[2:19:47] happened, not just this evening, but
[2:19:49] over the last few days, few months, and
[2:19:51] I think in some cases years, right? Um I
[2:19:55] think what I would like to just point
[2:19:57] out and I think the last lady made a
[2:19:58] very good point is there's the there's
[2:20:00] obviously going to be a operating cost
[2:20:03] and a tax supported debt debt repayment.
[2:20:05] In other words, a tax impact to
[2:20:07] everything that was
[2:20:09] spoke of tonight. So, I just want to
[2:20:11] make make a couple of point out a couple
[2:20:13] things. So, just just keep in mind that,
[2:20:15] you know, in
[2:20:16] in this year, 2026, the assumptions and
[2:20:19] business plans, you know, discussed and
[2:20:21] approved in 2025 are no longer current.
[2:20:23] So, we had a we went through a budget
[2:20:25] process
[2:20:26] for 2026 and was all based on kind of
[2:20:29] the assumptions we made walking into it.
[2:20:31] So, the projects that we consider in
[2:20:33] these reports must be viewed in context
[2:20:35] of the needs of our community, the
[2:20:37] economy, and the recently mandated
[2:20:39] provincial growth plans.
[2:20:41] Let's be clear, Canada is in a
[2:20:43] recession.
[2:20:44] In the last three or four quarters,
[2:20:46] Canada has experienced negative GDP
[2:20:48] performance. Unfortunately, our
[2:20:50] province, Ontario, has been hit
[2:20:52] absolutely hardest.
[2:20:54] We're also hit with US sectoral tariffs,
[2:20:56] which threaten our auto industry, and of
[2:20:58] course, as we all know, the future of
[2:20:59] Honda's expansion plans have stalled.
[2:21:02] The economic forecast calls for minimal
[2:21:04] growth, if any, for the next 12 to 18
[2:21:06] months.
[2:21:07] And in addition, what has also changed
[2:21:10] is OPA 5 and the provincial priorities
[2:21:12] for New Tecumseth development.
[2:21:15] This has really reset the table of
[2:21:18] current and future infrastructure
[2:21:19] requirements and priorities. By 2051,
[2:21:23] the province has determined that New
[2:21:25] Tecumseth will add about 100,000
[2:21:27] new residents to our community. So,
[2:21:30] consider this. Take every service and
[2:21:33] piece of infrastructure we have today,
[2:21:35] everything that we have currently, and
[2:21:37] we need to double it in 25 years.
[2:21:41] As a result, I'm I'm not sure if
[2:21:42] everyone knows this, but the province
[2:21:44] has hired Hemson and Tatham Engineering
[2:21:46] Consultants to research and prepare a
[2:21:49] master services plan. And these reports
[2:21:51] will be
[2:21:52] will set the baseline, the minimum
[2:21:54] baseline of infrastructure requirements,
[2:21:57] and Council will have to review the
[2:21:58] recommendations before we add additional
[2:22:00] requirements to enhance the services we
[2:22:02] experience today. So, I you know,
[2:22:04] there's a lot of issues here.
[2:22:06] [clears throat] We talk about taxation,
[2:22:08] about the growth. I think
[2:22:10] we talk about if we approve the pool,
[2:22:12] the dome, as well as the beaten arena,
[2:22:15] the arena portion of option number
[2:22:17] three, increases the equivalent increase
[2:22:19] to the 11.35%.
[2:22:21] Remember, that's going to be also based
[2:22:23] on the population of today, 48,000
[2:22:26] people. That will also be [snorts] based
[2:22:28] on the fact that we have not had an
[2:22:30] opportunity to go to the province and
[2:22:32] say to them, "Listen, we have about 6
[2:22:35] billion with a B dollars worth of
[2:22:38] infrastructure projects that we need
[2:22:39] them to pay for." So, a lot of the
[2:22:43] the data that we've been presented
[2:22:44] tonight needs further analysis. And that
[2:22:48] further analysis
[2:22:50] is what I believe should happen within
[2:22:53] the context of the annual budget
[2:22:54] discussion. And we need to align what
[2:22:58] we're building with what we can afford
[2:23:00] to build. So, I support all three of the
[2:23:04] items tonight. Let's be perfectly clear.
[2:23:06] And I hope that they all go forward, but
[2:23:08] also, as we've learned in the past, it's
[2:23:10] very, very important for us to meet as a
[2:23:13] council, staff, and the public during a
[2:23:15] budget preparation so that we can
[2:23:18] actually go through what the impact is
[2:23:20] in terms of our debt ceiling and what
[2:23:22] the tax what how that will impact
[2:23:24] taxation. So, everything that was
[2:23:25] presented today is a little out of
[2:23:27] context, and I think that's very
[2:23:29] important for us to move these projects
[2:23:31] forward, but let's make sure that we
[2:23:33] discuss them within the context of an
[2:23:35] annual budget. So, your worship, I just
[2:23:39] I'll just begin the evening by just
[2:23:40] saying
[2:23:41] um I'd like to make the motion that be
[2:23:44] it resolved that report RFC 2026 -19 be
[2:23:47] received and further that the sports
[2:23:50] dome project be deferred to the 2027
[2:23:52] budget deliberations for consideration.
[2:23:54] That would be my first motion and I hope
[2:23:56] that someone allow me to defer this and
[2:23:58] will will actually
[2:23:59] um second my motion.
[2:24:01] >> I'm going to go to the clerk because the
[2:24:03] » I'm going to go to the clerk because the
[2:24:03] purpose of this part of the meeting was
[2:24:06] comments or was like questions for
[2:24:08] members of council to the consultants or
[2:24:10] the presenters.
[2:24:12] So, I would defer to you uh Madam Clerk
[2:24:15] cuz I know when a deferral comes up you
[2:24:17] can debate
[2:24:18] the merits of the deferral.
[2:24:21] And
[2:24:22] um so I would ask them for a second cuz
[2:24:24] there there's a lot of people here
[2:24:25] who've been here tonight. So, I want to
[2:24:27] make I know the process but I want to
[2:24:29] make sure that everybody else knows.
[2:24:31] So, Madam Clerk
[2:24:32] we have a motion for deferral under our
[2:24:34] procedural bylaw. We automatically go to
[2:24:36] that deferral. We look for a second
[2:24:39] secondary and then the debate will be on
[2:24:41] the merits of the deferral.
[2:24:43] Can you clarify, please?
[2:24:44] >> Uh that's correct, Your Worship.
[2:24:47] » Uh that's correct, Your Worship.
[2:24:47] >> Okay, thank you. So, there is a motion
[2:24:50] » Okay, thank you. So, there is a motion
[2:24:50] for deferral from Council
[2:24:52] Go ahead.
[2:24:53] >> Uh is the deferral strictly on
[2:24:55] » Uh is the deferral strictly on
[2:24:55] number one?
[2:24:56] Okay, I have to
[2:24:58] >> You asked Councillor Rappin. Good good
[2:25:00] » You asked Councillor Rappin. Good good
[2:25:00] call and please note that Councillor
[2:25:01] Rappin has excused himself.
[2:25:04] So, there is a motion for a deferral
[2:25:07] um from Councillor Best. Is there a
[2:25:08] secondary for that motion for deferral?
[2:25:12] Councillor Cox is making that motion for
[2:25:14] deferral.
[2:25:15] So, what is now on the floor, I will
[2:25:17] open the floor up to debate for the
[2:25:19] motion of deferral.
[2:25:21] Does anybody have any comments or
[2:25:22] questions?
[2:25:24] I do. Let's make a decision tonight. The
[2:25:26] presentation is very very clear. We have
[2:25:29] all the information and it's time to
[2:25:31] move forward. So, I will support it.
[2:25:34] Are there any other comments or
[2:25:35] questions in regards to the deferral?
[2:25:37] Not seeing any. So, uh Madam Clerk, I
[2:25:39] will now call a the
[2:25:40] Thank you. So,
[2:25:42] the motion to defer item number one. All
[2:25:44] those in favor, please.
[2:25:48] 1 2 3, I count four here.
[2:25:52] I can see number five, Councillor
[2:25:54] Harrison-McIntyre.
[2:25:55] So, Madam Clerk, can you just confirm my
[2:25:58] count, please?
[2:26:01] » Uh your worship, I counted in support.
[2:26:04] So, by default Oh, no, five in support,
[2:26:07] so it will carry because Councillor
[2:26:09] Rappin has declared a pecuniary
[2:26:10] interest.
[2:26:12] >> Okay, so that means no decision tonight
[2:26:14] » Okay, so that means no decision tonight
[2:26:14] on the dome.
[2:26:16] And um
[2:26:19] I thought
[2:26:24] No, no, I understand that, but I want to
[2:26:26] be clear, there are people here watching
[2:26:27] and people that have showed up tonight.
[2:26:30] There will not be a decision made on
[2:26:31] going forward with the dome tonight.
[2:26:34] So, thank you for that, and Councillor
[2:26:37] Best, you said you had another motion?
[2:26:42] Hold one second, Councillor Best.
[2:26:44] And can somebody call Councillor Oh,
[2:26:46] there's Councillor Rappin, you're back
[2:26:47] in.
[2:26:48] >> No, I don't have No, your worship, I do
[2:26:50] » No, I don't have No, your worship, I do
[2:26:50] not. I just wanted to make sure that we
[2:26:51] have that we you know, as we move
[2:26:53] through the process, that we have an
[2:26:54] opportunity to have a more comprehensive
[2:26:58] discussion. I mean, and just so I can
[2:27:00] explain myself, thank you for booing. Um
[2:27:02] I just want to let let people everyone
[2:27:04] know that
[2:27:06] the this doesn't end the process.
[2:27:08] The the budget comes in to discussion in
[2:27:10] about six months. So, all this does is
[2:27:13] it just puts this project in the same
[2:27:17] category as all the other growth
[2:27:19] projects, which will allow us to take a
[2:27:21] look at our our debt and our tax impact,
[2:27:24] and it allow us all to look at it and
[2:27:26] reflect on it, and decide, do we want
[2:27:28] 11% tax increase? I mean, that that's
[2:27:31] what we And if we if it's something that
[2:27:33] we want to do, then we'll go ahead with
[2:27:35] it. If we don't want 11% tax increase,
[2:27:37] then we'll have to adjust.
[2:27:38] >> Best, we've we've it's
[2:27:40] » Best, we've we've it's
[2:27:40] we'll move on.
[2:27:41] >> you're
[2:27:41] » you're
[2:27:41] >> Well, you've the motion's been moved,
[2:27:43] » Well, you've the motion's been moved,
[2:27:43] it's been seconded, it's been voted on,
[2:27:45] and it's been referred to the budget.
[2:27:46] So,
[2:27:48] No, I'm not, Joe. I'm chairing the
[2:27:50] meeting. And that's what I'm going to
[2:27:53] do, and that is my role.
[2:27:55] And I will not be interrupted from the
[2:27:57] audience.
[2:27:58] Counselor Best, if you'd like to take 30
[2:28:00] seconds to wrap up, go ahead, please,
[2:28:03] but I will not be interrupted. And
[2:28:05] there'll be decorum in these council
[2:28:07] chambers.
[2:28:08] Go ahead, counselor Best.
[2:28:12] Okay, thank you. So, we're moving on
[2:28:13] then to item Well, no, is there any
[2:28:15] other questions
[2:28:17] from the presenters tonight from members
[2:28:19] of council? I have counselor Masters, do
[2:28:21] you have a question?
[2:28:23] >> Um um not on that. I have a question I
[2:28:27] » Um um not on that. I have a question I
[2:28:27] have some questions for the presenters.
[2:28:29] >> Yes, so do you have a question for the
[2:28:31] » Yes, so do you have a question for the
[2:28:31] presenters?
[2:28:31] >> Yes, do.
[2:28:32] » Yes, do.
[2:28:32] >> And for items two, three, go ahead.
[2:28:33] » And for items two, three, go ahead.
[2:28:33] >> a a couple, actually. Um first of all, I
[2:28:36] » a a couple, actually. Um first of all, I
[2:28:36] like I have a question on the sports
[2:28:38] dome.
[2:28:40] Um
[2:28:41] the I [clears throat] noticed that um
[2:28:44] I'm all for the sports dome, by the way.
[2:28:46] Um
[2:28:47] I think they're a great way an economic
[2:28:49] way of
[2:28:50] of of bringing us the sports to the
[2:28:53] public. Um
[2:28:55] um I played with the Tottenham seniors
[2:28:58] soccer team for a number of years, and
[2:29:00] we actually used the facility in
[2:29:02] Bradford. Uh my question is that this is
[2:29:05] a nice clear see-through dome. Um
[2:29:08] what what is the track record
[2:29:10] uh from a from a serviceability
[2:29:12] standpoint? We have some pretty tough
[2:29:13] winters here, and I know the one in
[2:29:15] Bradford had a very solid um you know,
[2:29:18] dome. Wasn't see-through, as I remember.
[2:29:21] Um how does this type What's the record
[2:29:24] of this type of dome? How does it stack
[2:29:26] up?
[2:29:29] I said I have two more questions after
[2:29:31] that.
[2:29:31] >> Thank you. I just do the direction
[2:29:33] » Thank you. I just do the direction
[2:29:33] through the director, please.
[2:29:36] I'll just go to you, director, and then
[2:29:37] you can
[2:29:39] Through your worship to members of
[2:29:40] council, Mr. Langlois is just online. He
[2:29:42] could probably more properly answer that
[2:29:44] question. Steve.
[2:29:49] Thank you, your worship, and members of
[2:29:50] council and masters.
[2:29:52] So, the image that you were seeing would
[2:29:54] show it
[2:29:55] as a transparent dome. That's that's
[2:29:57] really just for illustration purposes so
[2:29:59] you can see the field and inside.
[2:30:03] The actual dome fabric and the design
[2:30:06] would have to be dictated through tender
[2:30:08] and at that time. So, at this moment, I
[2:30:11] mean, most domes that you'll see out
[2:30:13] there tend to be
[2:30:14] largely white. There are the technology
[2:30:16] improves year after year on them. Many
[2:30:18] of them now have sort of transparent
[2:30:20] panels. Typically, you would have that
[2:30:23] as a sort of a skylight to let in a
[2:30:25] little bit more
[2:30:27] daylight into into the building. So,
[2:30:30] really the design would have to be
[2:30:31] dictated through the next stage as that
[2:30:34] goes. And relative to the lifespan of
[2:30:37] these facilities,
[2:30:39] we've we've anticipated you'll hear from
[2:30:42] suppliers that they can get 25 to 30
[2:30:44] years out of the dome fabric.
[2:30:47] That might be a a bit ambitious. They
[2:30:50] will start to look look a little bit
[2:30:52] older over time. We've anticipated a
[2:30:54] 25-year replacement. You'll see that.
[2:30:57] That's pretty typical in in this sort of
[2:31:00] sector.
[2:31:02] They're they're quite good. Again,
[2:31:04] technology improves every year. They're
[2:31:05] quite good with snow snow loads. You
[2:31:07] would have to maintain
[2:31:09] a snow clearing area around the apron so
[2:31:11] you don't get snow snow load pressure
[2:31:14] onto
[2:31:15] the apron of the dome.
[2:31:17] So, there is some requirement to make
[2:31:19] sure that that's cleared
[2:31:21] certainly after heavy snowfalls.
[2:31:23] Okay, thank you. So, what I'm going to
[2:31:24] do, sorry,
[2:31:26] I'm going to change the format. We are
[2:31:28] on item number two, indoor pool
[2:31:29] feasibility study and proposed aquatic
[2:31:31] and wellness center expansion. So, what
[2:31:33] I'm going to do is I'm going to limit
[2:31:34] the questions for members of council to
[2:31:36] item number two that retain pertain to
[2:31:39] the indoor pool. Can somebody let
[2:31:41] Councillor Rappin come back in and
[2:31:42] participate, please?
[2:31:44] Sorry, Councillor Masters.
[2:31:53] Okay, members of council, are there any
[2:31:54] questions to item number two or comments
[2:31:56] to item number two?
[2:32:01] Councillor Foster, please.
[2:32:06] » Uh thank you, Mayor Northcutt. Um
[2:32:09] referring Well, first of all, I I didn't
[2:32:11] support the deferral um
[2:32:13] on the sports dome, but
[2:32:16] in light of Director Hobbs' comments
[2:32:18] that
[2:32:20] uh I believe it was right at the
[2:32:22] beginning of the meeting you asked the
[2:32:23] question, what what established the
[2:32:25] order?
[2:32:26] And the order was you need to vote on
[2:32:29] the sports dome
[2:32:30] in order to make a decision on the pool
[2:32:32] because of how
[2:32:34] intrinsically tied together they are.
[2:32:36] So, my question is,
[2:32:38] if someone's going to support a deferral
[2:32:39] for number one,
[2:32:41] why would we vote on number two because
[2:32:44] they both go hand in hand? And is my
[2:32:46] interpretation correct, Director Hobbs?
[2:32:50] >> Director.
[2:32:57] » Uh through you, Your Worship, to
[2:32:58] Councillor Foster. Um yes, there's
[2:33:00] certainly merits to to that thinking and
[2:33:02] that's why I explained the domino
[2:33:03] process at the beginning. Um however,
[2:33:05] should council wish to proceed uh with
[2:33:08] the second report, um I would advise
[2:33:10] that uh the the NTRC field house
[2:33:13] component would it would be wise to
[2:33:15] remove that as part of the the
[2:33:16] renovation, um which is why that was
[2:33:18] specifically separated in terms of the
[2:33:20] budget figure, as well as in terms of
[2:33:22] advancing the overall project. So,
[2:33:24] theoretically, um
[2:33:26] uh to Councillor Foster's point, you
[2:33:27] could still advance, should Council wish
[2:33:29] to advance, the pool
[2:33:31] um as well as the other components of
[2:33:33] the expansion, but I would suggest to
[2:33:34] not advance the the the field house
[2:33:36] component.
[2:33:39] » Thank you. Councillor Foster, did you
[2:33:41] have a follow-up, or you're good with
[2:33:43] that?
[2:33:44] >> Um
[2:33:45] » Um
[2:33:45] yes, thank you, Director Hobbs. Then
[2:33:47] I'll I'll um
[2:33:49] um I'll speak in support of the uh I was
[2:33:52] I'm in support of
[2:33:54] the the sports dome, but that's
[2:33:55] obviously been deferred. So, I will
[2:33:57] speak in support of the pool and um
[2:34:00] see what the rest of Council says and
[2:34:01] when we vote on it.
[2:34:03] >> Thank you. Next on my list is Councillor
[2:34:04] » Thank you. Next on my list is Councillor
[2:34:05] Bess, please.
[2:34:06] >> I thank Thank you, Worship. Um
[2:34:09] » I thank Thank you, Worship. Um
[2:34:09] So, for the record, I'm in support of
[2:34:11] all of these projects. I just want to
[2:34:12] wait 6 months, so that we can consider
[2:34:14] it as a council and understand exactly
[2:34:17] how the how it's going to impact our
[2:34:19] community as a whole. Uh you know,
[2:34:21] unfortunately, these are very big-ticket
[2:34:23] items that we're talking about tonight,
[2:34:25] and they impact everything about our
[2:34:27] community. So, it's really important to
[2:34:29] get all of the different input from
[2:34:32] everybody, so that we can determine
[2:34:33] exactly what the timeline is. As you can
[2:34:36] see, we're going to hit our death debt
[2:34:37] threshold, which means that if anytime
[2:34:40] thereafter we get hit with a natural
[2:34:42] disaster or
[2:34:43] a water main breaks or something, we
[2:34:45] will not be able to borrow money to fix
[2:34:47] it. So, in that light, you you Worship,
[2:34:51] I I recommend that uh the report RFC
[2:34:53] 2026-20 regarding the indoor pool
[2:34:56] feasibility study and the associated
[2:34:58] aquatic and wellness center expansion
[2:34:59] and the new Tecumseh recreation center
[2:35:01] be received, and further that the
[2:35:03] aquatic and wellness center project be
[2:35:04] deferred to the 2027 budget
[2:35:06] deliberations for consideration.
[2:35:09] >> Thank you, Councillor Bess. I'll look to
[2:35:11] » Thank you, Councillor Bess. I'll look to
[2:35:11] the clerk to make sure she's documented
[2:35:13] that, and you're fine with that. Thank
[2:35:15] Thank Is there a secondary for the
[2:35:16] deferral, please?
[2:35:19] Is there a Oh, sorry. Deputy Mayor,
[2:35:21] please. Thank you.
[2:35:23] So, it's been duly moved, duly seconded,
[2:35:25] and it be deferred to the 2027 budget
[2:35:27] deliberation
[2:35:29] process. Thank you. Okay. All those in
[2:35:31] favor, then?
[2:35:33] And that's carried.
[2:35:36] Thank you, Council. So, I'm going to
[2:35:38] move on to item number three, which is
[2:35:40] the Beeton Community Centre
[2:35:41] Redevelopment Preliminary Design
[2:35:43] Options.
[2:35:45] And I'm going to go to Councillor Cox,
[2:35:46] please.
[2:35:48] >> [clears throat]
[2:35:48] » [clears throat]
[2:35:48] >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I do echo what
[2:35:51] » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I do echo what
[2:35:51] of Councillor Bississ said, that uh
[2:35:54] I'm sure that all of Council supports
[2:35:57] these projects. And uh it is the
[2:35:59] responsible thing to move a few of these
[2:36:02] to the budget. In terms of the Beeton
[2:36:03] facility project,
[2:36:05] um
[2:36:07] I think this is what is actually holding
[2:36:10] up a lot of our recreation programs
[2:36:12] moving forward.
[2:36:13] This project has been on the books and
[2:36:16] being worked towards for the last 20
[2:36:19] years.
[2:36:20] We haven't seen
[2:36:22] very many large recreation projects, and
[2:36:25] a lot of that reason is because then we
[2:36:27] point to the Beeton facility and we say,
[2:36:29] "We've updated the NTRC. We've updated
[2:36:32] the TCFC. And Beeton would like an
[2:36:35] opportunity for that to happen."
[2:36:37] This project isn't new to Council, and
[2:36:40] it's certainly not new to the residents
[2:36:41] of Beeton. For nearly two decades, it's
[2:36:44] been studied, reviewed, debated,
[2:36:46] revised, and brought back for future
[2:36:49] consideration.
[2:36:51] What concerns me about the
[2:36:52] recommendations before Council tonight
[2:36:54] is not simply what it proposes, it's
[2:36:56] what it represents. 20 years, residents
[2:36:59] have been told the process is coming.
[2:37:02] Yet, here we are again.
[2:37:04] The recommendation before us
[2:37:06] does not approve a budget for the Beeton
[2:37:08] facility like the other two.
[2:37:10] It doesn't approve financing, and it
[2:37:12] doesn't authorize construction.
[2:37:15] It asked council to select a preferred
[2:37:16] option and continue refining it
[2:37:19] through additional due diligence.
[2:37:23] At the same time council was asked
[2:37:25] tonight to move forward with the sports
[2:37:27] sports dome project, to move forward
[2:37:29] with the aquatic and wellness center
[2:37:30] project. Those projects are being
[2:37:33] presented as ready for financing, but
[2:37:35] the Beaton Community Center, arguably
[2:37:37] the longest running recreation project
[2:37:40] in this municipality, is once again
[2:37:42] being told to wait.
[2:37:45] When the town has reached 99% capacity
[2:37:47] in our ice facilities, does it make
[2:37:49] sense to reduce the level of service by
[2:37:51] 25%?
[2:37:54] And then try to facilitate the use of
[2:37:56] private facilities that were unable to
[2:37:58] accommodate our needs just 2 years ago?
[2:38:01] Because in third 2036, we may be able to
[2:38:04] acquire the land and we may be able to
[2:38:06] have the I'm sure sustain substantially
[2:38:09] larger amount of money we need to build
[2:38:10] the twin pad because it will be more
[2:38:12] expensive in 10 years. And a twin pad is
[2:38:15] substantially more expensive
[2:38:17] than a single pad.
[2:38:19] And it's not DC funded. Whether we move
[2:38:21] it to another location, it is still a
[2:38:24] redevelopment project.
[2:38:26] The staff recommendation mentions
[2:38:28] additional additionary preliminary
[2:38:30] design and due diligence.
[2:38:32] With all due respect, how much due
[2:38:35] diligence is enough? If 20 years of
[2:38:37] studies, consultations, reports,
[2:38:39] presentations, public meetings, surveys,
[2:38:42] task force input, and community input is
[2:38:46] not enough to make a decision, then when
[2:38:48] will it be?
[2:38:49] 5 years from now? 10 years from now?
[2:38:52] At some point due diligence stops being
[2:38:54] a safeguard and starts becoming a
[2:38:56] substitute for leadership.
[2:38:58] The people of Beaton have done
[2:38:59] everything we asked of them.
[2:39:01] They've attended meetings, completed
[2:39:03] surveys multiple times.
[2:39:05] They've participated in the
[2:39:06] consultations, They've watched the
[2:39:08] project pass through multiple councils,
[2:39:10] multiple studies, multiple rounds of
[2:39:13] review. We've approved development on
[2:39:15] the books that doubles our current size
[2:39:17] in Beeton, and this is a redevelopment
[2:39:19] project. It's
[2:39:22] It's a redevelopment project.
[2:39:24] I don't believe Beeton's looking for
[2:39:26] another report. I believe the people are
[2:39:28] looking for a decision.
[2:39:30] And if council is prepared
[2:39:33] to support other projects, which it
[2:39:36] seems like they are with some due
[2:39:37] diligence in the budget,
[2:39:40] then I believe that this project
[2:39:43] shouldn't be asked to wait any longer.
[2:39:46] I think the only thing that will get us
[2:39:47] somewhere tonight with all of these
[2:39:49] projects is for me to put the following
[2:39:51] motion on the table and ask my council
[2:39:54] colleagues for their support.
[2:39:57] So, I have the following motion. And
[2:39:59] further that council approve option
[2:40:01] three, arena model for the redevelopment
[2:40:03] of the Beeton Community Centre, modified
[2:40:06] to include a community-size ice surface
[2:40:08] in place of the NHL-size ice surface
[2:40:11] contemplated within the preliminary
[2:40:12] concept.
[2:40:14] And further that council approve the
[2:40:15] Beeton Community Centre redevelopment
[2:40:17] project with an estimated capital budget
[2:40:20] based upon option three, being
[2:40:23] I'm going to say 45,778,653
[2:40:28] because the two There was two numbers,
[2:40:29] actually, one from the presentation and
[2:40:31] one that was provided um in the report,
[2:40:35] exclusive of soft costs, together with
[2:40:37] the associated 15% soft costs to be
[2:40:40] incorporated into the final project
[2:40:42] budget.
[2:40:43] And further that council approve the
[2:40:44] financing strategy for the Beeton
[2:40:46] Community Centre redevelopment project
[2:40:48] through a combination of development
[2:40:50] charges, which we know we've set aside
[2:40:52] in the 2020
[2:40:53] four budget for this project, reserve
[2:40:57] funds, which we currently have in the
[2:40:59] amount of I
[2:41:01] believe around $750,000
[2:41:04] and debenture financing and direct staff
[2:41:07] to pursue grant funding, sponsorship
[2:41:09] opportunities, fundraising
[2:41:10] contributions, which we know FAB is
[2:41:13] uh currently having
[2:41:16] that they currently have
[2:41:17] and any other external funding sources
[2:41:19] that may reduce the municipal share of
[2:41:21] project costs. And further that council
[2:41:23] authorize and direct staff to proceed
[2:41:25] with detailed design and construction of
[2:41:27] the Beeton Community Centre
[2:41:28] Redevelopment Project in accordance with
[2:41:30] the approved project scope.
[2:41:32] And further that the approved project
[2:41:34] scope shall include a single community
[2:41:36] size ice surface together with
[2:41:37] associated community center amenities
[2:41:40] and support spaces substantially
[2:41:42] consistent with option three
[2:41:44] in the facility program presented to
[2:41:46] council.
[2:41:47] And further that staff shall incorporate
[2:41:49] the Beeton Community Centre
[2:41:50] Redevelopment Project into the 2027
[2:41:54] capital budget and long-term financial
[2:41:55] plan as a committed capital project. And
[2:41:59] further that the Beeton Community Centre
[2:42:00] Redevelopment Project shall be
[2:42:02] designated as the town's next recreation
[2:42:05] capital construction priority.
[2:42:08] And staff shall prioritize project
[2:42:10] implementation, financing, grant
[2:42:12] applications, detailed design, and
[2:42:13] construction scheduling accordingly.
[2:42:16] And further that where staff identify
[2:42:19] any ambiguity in the interpretation or
[2:42:21] implementation of this resolution,
[2:42:23] staff's staff shall seek direction and
[2:42:25] clarification for council.
[2:42:29] from council.
[2:42:33] » [applause]
[2:42:38] » Okay. Do we have a second to get that on
[2:42:40] the floor to open it up, please?
[2:42:42] Uh Councillor Masters and then I'll go
[2:42:47] to the Deputy Mayor. Go ahead, Deputy.
[2:42:49] Um
[2:42:50] Oh, okay. Sorry. Councillor Masters,
[2:42:52] then.
[2:42:54] >> Oh, sorry.
[2:42:56] » Oh, sorry.
[2:42:56] No, it's yeah, I'll second it. Yeah.
[2:42:59] Okay, is there any comments and
[2:43:00] questions in regards to the motion?
[2:43:03] Uh Council Jackson.
[2:43:05] >> Thank you your worship. Through you also
[2:43:07] » Thank you your worship. Through you also
[2:43:07] someone in support of
[2:43:11] moving forward a project in Beeton and I
[2:43:13] definitely am in support. I just want to
[2:43:15] say this before
[2:43:17] the rest of my comments of ice in Beeton
[2:43:21] or a pad in Beeton.
[2:43:23] My question is really born from
[2:43:25] curiosity as I don't know if all of the
[2:43:28] public realizes we just saw these
[2:43:31] numbers a week ago. Like when the agenda
[2:43:33] got published, this is the first time
[2:43:35] that we have looked at this from the
[2:43:38] lens that you have as well. And so
[2:43:41] looking at the comparison table, what
[2:43:43] struck me
[2:43:45] beyond the price tags, but I digress,
[2:43:48] was actually the displacement of ice.
[2:43:52] And so scenario three is
[2:43:57] certainly the Beeton community is
[2:44:00] deserving
[2:44:02] of a brand new facility, but I'm just
[2:44:05] curious and I don't know where to direct
[2:44:07] the question to you, but the implication
[2:44:09] of three years
[2:44:11] three years of ice
[2:44:14] displacement, that that's significant.
[2:44:17] We know that two seasons ago
[2:44:20] when the trusses were being repaired and
[2:44:22] there was no access yes, of course
[2:44:26] everybody came together and managed as
[2:44:28] best as they could. But I remember the
[2:44:32] the stress that that put on the user
[2:44:34] groups and the staff and everybody
[2:44:37] trying to accommodate. And as Donna said
[2:44:41] earlier
[2:44:42] are we certain that these groups have
[2:44:47] access paid for access to ice for three
[2:44:51] years and
[2:44:52] um and this is of no disrespect or
[2:44:55] disregard to anyone's expertise, but 3
[2:44:58] years provided everything works out the
[2:45:00] way it's supposed to.
[2:45:01] And all the elements of large-scale
[2:45:04] construction go to plan.
[2:45:06] And everything just works out exactly.
[2:45:09] What if it's four seasons?
[2:45:11] So, the only reason why looking at all
[2:45:14] these considerations, I thought to
[2:45:15] myself,
[2:45:16] I'm not a you part of a user group or
[2:45:20] and neither is my child who requires
[2:45:23] access to ice.
[2:45:25] Is the same passion do we still have the
[2:45:28] same passion for scenario three
[2:45:31] given there is going to be a minimum of
[2:45:34] three seasons that we cannot access that
[2:45:36] ice pad or dry pad, whatever way the
[2:45:39] pad.
[2:45:40] Uh is it still the option that that is
[2:45:44] uh best serving for the community?
[2:45:48] Thank you.
[2:45:49] >> Thank you, Councillor Jacks. Um
[2:45:51] » Thank you, Councillor Jacks. Um
[2:45:51] Councillor Harrison MacIntyre was next,
[2:45:53] please.
[2:45:55] >> Am I Am I on mute?
[2:45:56] » Am I Am I on mute?
[2:45:56] >> a question that's going to get answered?
[2:45:58] » a question that's going to get answered?
[2:45:58] >> Sure. Thank you. I will direct it over
[2:45:59] » Sure. Thank you. I will direct it over
[2:46:00] to uh
[2:46:01] Director Mops, please. If you'd like to
[2:46:03] go ahead.
[2:46:05] >> Thank you, Your Worship. To um to
[2:46:07] » Thank you, Your Worship. To um to
[2:46:07] Councillor Jacks, I'll ask Perkins and
[2:46:08] Will uh to answer this question. Philip,
[2:46:10] did you want to take this or John?
[2:46:15] » Your Worship, thank you for the
[2:46:16] question.
[2:46:17] Um
[2:46:19] it it's it there's a little bit of
[2:46:21] Hobson's choice in that it committing to
[2:46:23] that site means there needs to be you
[2:46:25] need to build on top of the existing
[2:46:27] arena.
[2:46:28] And so, ultimately you've raised the
[2:46:29] raised the critical issue which isn't
[2:46:31] and that was part of our purpose of
[2:46:33] putting the numbers and the qualitative
[2:46:34] stuff in the presentation is that
[2:46:37] it does require a strategy to either
[2:46:40] accept that the reduction in service.
[2:46:42] So,
[2:46:43] uh that might mean bigger drive times
[2:46:45] for people to to uh to access ice
[2:46:48] elsewhere in the region
[2:46:49] or an an aggressive approach to try and
[2:46:52] purchase ice time.
[2:46:53] That might be quite expensive. It It
[2:46:55] does get done. And we actually use some
[2:46:58] numbers which were quite high to to
[2:46:59] assume that you need to. But relative to
[2:47:02] the other options
[2:47:03] and so the other options being
[2:47:07] go with option one or two
[2:47:10] as it relates to this particular site
[2:47:12] and
[2:47:13] close the arena now. You'd be looking at
[2:47:15] potentially 10 years of having to find
[2:47:17] ice which I think is a
[2:47:20] an inordinate risk. It's It's a whole
[2:47:22] generation of of users.
[2:47:24] Um
[2:47:25] So you know that would lead us to say if
[2:47:27] you were if the if the municipality were
[2:47:29] thinking of creating twin ice by about
[2:47:31] 2036, you got to bring it forward
[2:47:33] dramatically in order to cut that off.
[2:47:35] So
[2:47:36] as I say it's Hobson's choice out of the
[2:47:38] three options as it relates to
[2:47:40] the loss of ice
[2:47:42] unless you keep the Beaton Memorial
[2:47:44] Arena going and work around it and
[2:47:47] recognize that there is that capital
[2:47:49] cost associated with keeping it then
[2:47:53] option three
[2:47:55] the loss of ice for three years
[2:47:58] um
[2:47:59] is a bit of a rally cry to to get
[2:48:01] through it as fast as you can.
[2:48:03] >> And just a follow up on that. The Sorry
[2:48:06] » And just a follow up on that. The Sorry
[2:48:06] counselor.
[2:48:07] Just the department's also working on
[2:48:10] council approved facility allocation
[2:48:12] policy. So as part of that review then
[2:48:14] we have the opportunity to tighten up a
[2:48:16] little bit and reallocate and find
[2:48:18] efficiencies within our bookings process
[2:48:20] just to make sure that the right groups
[2:48:22] are being prioritized. Um but if we were
[2:48:24] to proceed through construction to your
[2:48:26] point counselor Jackson, likely be two
[2:48:28] seasons out of commission.
[2:48:30] So we would gracefully ask for patience
[2:48:32] from the community while we go through
[2:48:34] that process as well understanding the
[2:48:36] the positive impacts at the end. Just a
[2:48:38] little little bit of pain short term
[2:48:39] pain for long term gain. But we try our
[2:48:41] best to to accommodate as much as
[2:48:43] possible.
[2:48:46] » Is that good?
[2:48:46] >> Supplementary. Yeah, thank you, your
[2:48:47] » Supplementary. Yeah, thank you, your
[2:48:47] worship. Um my second question would be
[2:48:50] then through uh through your worship to
[2:48:52] to staff. Um
[2:48:55] the $15,678,254
[2:48:59] that has been uh proposed here as the
[2:49:03] capital cost to uh
[2:49:05] keep um the the existing ice going or
[2:49:09] the BMA going
[2:49:11] uh while
[2:49:12] construction would occur if we went with
[2:49:14] scenario one or two, community centers
[2:49:17] built, ideally a twin pad, um which
[2:49:21] would be also reflective of
[2:49:24] uh the user group demand and growth in
[2:49:27] the area
[2:49:28] is built.
[2:49:30] Where did that number come from? Like it
[2:49:32] that that costs more than we're
[2:49:34] proposing to spend on the dome
[2:49:37] to keep the BMA running for 10 years. It
[2:49:40] just
[2:49:41] I am not I know nothing, honestly, but
[2:49:44] that seems like an extraordinary cost
[2:49:47] given we haven't spent 10 mi- $15
[2:49:49] million to keep it going for the last 10
[2:49:52] years. Like
[2:49:53] is this just worst-case scenario,
[2:49:56] the trusses all come unbuckled and it
[2:49:58] collapses? It like where $15 million to
[2:50:02] to run that is
[2:50:04] I just help me understand why where that
[2:50:07] What What are we doing?
[2:50:10] >> Director?
[2:50:11] » Director?
[2:50:11] >> Thank you, your worship, to Councillor
[2:50:13] » Thank you, your worship, to Councillor
[2:50:13] Jackson. That figure was pulled from the
[2:50:15] building condition assessments reports
[2:50:17] that was previously provided to council.
[2:50:19] Um you are correct that does identify a
[2:50:21] worst-case scenario, so we're being
[2:50:22] cautious and certainly conservative in
[2:50:24] providing that number. Um but what I
[2:50:26] will say is a couple things. So that
[2:50:27] number is subject to inflation. Um so
[2:50:30] just keep in mind escalation costs as
[2:50:32] well as potential impact of a
[2:50:33] geopolitical crisis or tariffs or
[2:50:35] anything like that. Um and then keep in
[2:50:37] mind these structural implications. So,
[2:50:39] right now, um, there's structural
[2:50:41] inspection that will take place every 5
[2:50:42] years, um, recommended by the by the
[2:50:44] engineer. The next um,
[2:50:46] structural inspection, I believe, is
[2:50:48] early 2020 uh, 7. Once that inspection
[2:50:52] takes place, my I would assume it'll
[2:50:54] likely be an annual inspection. Um, so,
[2:50:56] we're really putting in as as much time
[2:50:59] and life into that building as possible,
[2:51:00] but we don't know exactly what that
[2:51:02] structural inspection would identify.
[2:51:04] Um, so, to get an engineer's stamp
[2:51:06] behind it, um, they would need to deem
[2:51:07] it safe for continued use, and that
[2:51:09] would certainly be be an aspect for
[2:51:11] consideration. Um, now, if option number
[2:51:14] one or two was chosen and the BMA
[2:51:16] remained, um, staff would assess the
[2:51:19] merits of the building condition
[2:51:20] assessment. So, if we knew exactly that
[2:51:22] we were advancing a twin pad arena, um,
[2:51:25] and there was a there was a concrete
[2:51:27] plan for acquiring land and constructing
[2:51:29] that facility in the future, we would
[2:51:31] know a definite end time for when the
[2:51:33] current BMA would be out of service. So,
[2:51:35] then we could assess exactly what that
[2:51:37] $15 million would look like. If we know
[2:51:39] the end date, then we may choose to
[2:51:41] invest in the in the facility
[2:51:42] differently. Um, would it be $15
[2:51:45] million? Probably not. Would it be on
[2:51:47] the low end? Probably not. Um, would it
[2:51:49] be closer to 15? It's probably likely,
[2:51:51] but it's really hard to say with the
[2:51:53] with the crystal ball at at this moment
[2:51:55] in time. Um, so, chosen conservatively.
[2:51:59] >> Thank you, Councillor Harrison McIntyre,
[2:52:01] » Thank you, Councillor Harrison McIntyre,
[2:52:01] please.
[2:52:03] >> Thank you. The motion as put forward by
[2:52:06] » Thank you. The motion as put forward by
[2:52:06] Councillor Cox changes the size of the,
[2:52:09] um,
[2:52:11] rink from, uh, the recommended size, and
[2:52:14] I just wanted to get some, um,
[2:52:16] information because it's it's not a huge
[2:52:18] difference in amount of feet, 25 ft one
[2:52:21] way, um,
[2:52:22] and a little bit more the other way. So,
[2:52:24] I just want to figure out hear from
[2:52:26] staff
[2:52:28] um, what's the cost savings and, um,
[2:52:30] and the what's the rationale,
[2:52:33] For making it the NHL size? Does that
[2:52:35] open it up for more competitions or
[2:52:37] higher level
[2:52:38] playing?
[2:52:39] What's Yeah, just more details on that
[2:52:41] before we move forward agreeing to it.
[2:52:44] >> Thank you. I'll go to the director,
[2:52:45] » Thank you. I'll go to the director,
[2:52:46] please and you can either answer or
[2:52:48] assign. Thank you.
[2:52:51] >> Uh thank you, Your Worship, to tell the
[2:52:53] » Uh thank you, Your Worship, to tell the
[2:52:53] counselors. So, in determining or
[2:52:55] recommending NHL size ice, we really
[2:52:58] looked at the history of this project.
[2:52:59] So, if you look at the task force and
[2:53:01] what they were reviewing, there was a
[2:53:02] recommendation and consideration for a
[2:53:04] smaller ice pad back in I think it was
[2:53:06] 2018 or 2019. Um the consultant at the
[2:53:09] time came back and he he recommended an
[2:53:11] NHL size pad because that would
[2:53:13] effectively allow the grow the sport to
[2:53:16] be able to grow, to be able to mature,
[2:53:18] and uh meet sport play for various age
[2:53:20] groups. Um in addition, when we met with
[2:53:23] user groups, specifically within the ice
[2:53:24] hockey community, they overwhelmingly
[2:53:27] supported NHL ice, um and they went so
[2:53:29] far as saying if it's not NHL, we may
[2:53:31] not be able to use it, in particular for
[2:53:33] the older age groups. Um so, that's just
[2:53:36] trying to right-size the current
[2:53:37] facility and and correct some planning
[2:53:39] that we we may have been done in the
[2:53:41] past and be able to slowly and
[2:53:43] moderately increase service levels. Um
[2:53:46] just in terms of the preliminary design,
[2:53:48] so the the intent of preliminary design
[2:53:50] is to seek feedback and change the
[2:53:51] program based on feedback from council.
[2:53:54] Um if we were to move to a smaller pad,
[2:53:56] um then we'd we would still continue
[2:53:58] with the due diligence for that piece,
[2:53:59] um because revenue may be impacted by a
[2:54:01] smaller pad because we may not have the
[2:54:03] same penetration rate. So, we would
[2:54:05] still just continue with our review. Um
[2:54:07] council could certainly approve today
[2:54:09] and and we would continue, but um it
[2:54:11] probably be welcomed for for council for
[2:54:13] us to come back and be able to tweak
[2:54:15] those numbers based on a a revised
[2:54:17] program for a community size rink,
[2:54:19] should it be approved today.
[2:54:21] >> Okay.
[2:54:22] » Okay.
[2:54:22] Thank you. Uh Deputy Mayor has not
[2:54:25] spoken yet, so go ahead, Deputy Mayor,
[2:54:26] please.
[2:54:28] >> Thank you, Mayor Norcross. Um and and I
[2:54:31] » Thank you, Mayor Norcross. Um and and I
[2:54:31] do want to communicate to everyone that
[2:54:33] I see a place for all three of these
[2:54:35] facilities in our recreation plan.
[2:54:38] Um I I think we've proved that we need
[2:54:40] them and that we want them, but what we
[2:54:43] can't do is pull the trigger on all
[2:54:45] three at once. I mean, me personally
[2:54:48] can't afford the tax increase.
[2:54:50] Um it it would uh
[2:54:52] it would put us too close to our debt
[2:54:54] threshold and unprepared for
[2:54:56] emergencies.
[2:54:58] Uh so that was part of uh the reason
[2:55:00] that I I supported the deferrals. We
[2:55:03] know we're going to grow and we're going
[2:55:04] to grow big and fast, but we're stalled
[2:55:07] right now cuz we have no water. So
[2:55:09] development has been
[2:55:11] almost non-existent in New Tecumseth,
[2:55:13] which means we don't get new residents
[2:55:15] that pay taxes as well. We're not
[2:55:17] getting DCs, the province is chopping
[2:55:19] the DCs. Uh we call rec DCs soft DCs, uh
[2:55:23] not hard DCs like water and roads. Um so
[2:55:28] we just need to separate these out a
[2:55:29] little bit. We can't do all three at
[2:55:31] once. Um so part of my support of of of
[2:55:35] the of the deferral is, you know, we're
[2:55:38] getting close to having some interim
[2:55:40] water, which hopefully then inspires
[2:55:42] some development, which inspires
[2:55:44] taxpayers to move here and development
[2:55:46] charges to be paid.
[2:55:48] Um
[2:55:50] I just I do want to note for the record
[2:55:52] that
[2:55:54] these three on the agenda is I feel
[2:55:56] personally very uncomfortable to be
[2:55:58] doing in the middle of an election
[2:56:01] when we're so soon to having the
[2:56:03] possibility of different
[2:56:05] decision-makers next term and laying
[2:56:09] this all at their feet when we know the
[2:56:12] finances are quite precarious if we do
[2:56:14] all three at once is not something I'm
[2:56:16] I'm super comfortable with.
[2:56:19] Um you know, there's been a lot of talk
[2:56:21] about the the domino effect. We need
[2:56:23] this to happen, so this happens, so that
[2:56:25] happens. And my experience in um the
[2:56:28] municipal world is the dominoes almost
[2:56:31] never fall like you need them to, ever.
[2:56:35] So, I do and and I do feel that our
[2:56:39] whole recreation program has been
[2:56:41] stalled because as
[2:56:44] as it's been referred to before in Town
[2:56:46] of New Tecumseth budgets years ago, the
[2:56:49] white elephant in the room is always the
[2:56:51] beaten arena.
[2:56:52] It's always the beaten arena. So, I feel
[2:56:55] like our whole rec plan has been stalled
[2:56:57] by continuously for literally half my
[2:57:00] entire life of doing nothing. It's time
[2:57:03] to do something. It's time to get
[2:57:05] working on how we make the the sports
[2:57:07] dome and the and the pool work because I
[2:57:10] see them fitting in our rec plan.
[2:57:12] Um so, those are those are my comments.
[2:57:16] Thank you.
[2:57:18] >> Thank you. I'll go to Councillor Masters
[2:57:20] » Thank you. I'll go to Councillor Masters
[2:57:20] and then I'll wrap it up and I'll call
[2:57:21] the vote.
[2:57:23] >> Uh thank you, Worship.
[2:57:25] » Uh thank you, Worship.
[2:57:25] Everything I've heard tonight all makes
[2:57:27] sense. You know, I absolutely approve
[2:57:30] all these three projects.
[2:57:32] They've been needed for a long time.
[2:57:35] I've got two questions. The first
[2:57:37] question is to the the company the
[2:57:40] design guys.
[2:57:43] When Faber originally
[2:57:45] set up set themselves to get this arena
[2:57:50] built,
[2:57:51] they used I think it was James Fryatt
[2:57:55] uh architects to build do the first
[2:57:58] drawing for us and they did. Um
[2:58:01] one of the things that they did was a
[2:58:03] they created created the design for the
[2:58:06] arena to be set back from the main
[2:58:08] street to create a town square so that
[2:58:13] the library and the town hall and was
[2:58:17] and the arena entrance was offset.
[2:58:21] I'm looking at the design right now the
[2:58:22] arena's right on the town right on the
[2:58:25] pavement.
[2:58:26] So you know
[2:58:28] is this because of the the the proposed
[2:58:31] NHL size rink or is that just generally
[2:58:35] where you thought it would be best
[2:58:36] situated? One of the things that we
[2:58:38] always wanted to do with the town of
[2:58:40] Beeton is try and keep its old
[2:58:42] historical look. There's a lot of
[2:58:45] history in that town and and that's when
[2:58:48] the FAB organization came together that
[2:58:50] was a big consideration and that's why
[2:58:52] it was done that way. The town actually
[2:58:55] expropriated those houses in front there
[2:58:57] to make that happen.
[2:58:59] So that's my first question. Is that is
[2:59:02] that because of the ice or is that
[2:59:03] because where you thought it was best to
[2:59:05] put it?
[2:59:06] Um
[2:59:08] The second comment
[2:59:09] I just want to make in general is that
[2:59:12] everybody knows that we
[2:59:14] you know we're we're behind in our
[2:59:16] development and
[2:59:19] I I believe the number that was thrown
[2:59:21] out this year earlier on was that we
[2:59:23] have something like 300 million plus in
[2:59:25] DCs outstanding with houses that have
[2:59:27] been basically approved to be built but
[2:59:29] we can't build them because of water and
[2:59:31] I put that question to the CEO to to
[2:59:34] maybe give us some input on this. So we
[2:59:36] all know that the that
[2:59:39] the New Tecumseth is probably one of the
[2:59:41] fastest growing communities in Canada
[2:59:44] today and we know that there's huge
[2:59:47] development coming here and with it will
[2:59:48] come the money. So what we're I think
[2:59:51] we're looking from a financial
[2:59:52] standpoint is an an interim look and I
[2:59:55] know that we have the new the new
[2:59:58] we've got
[3:00:00] you know maybe new people coming on the
[3:00:01] council next year but I I I think that
[3:00:04] this is a big number. I wouldn't want to
[3:00:06] put that on to new people coming in here
[3:00:08] and and trying to make that kind of
[3:00:10] decision you know.
[3:00:12] But anyway, so that's my two questions.
[3:00:15] The one is on where why are we up
[3:00:17] against the the the sidewalk in beaten
[3:00:20] and number two is, you know, where are
[3:00:22] we with our with our the books right now
[3:00:25] financially as far as
[3:00:27] the development that's sitting on the
[3:00:28] books right now to be built that once
[3:00:30] that water hits that, you know, how much
[3:00:32] are we looking at and DC's coming in
[3:00:34] right now. That's my second question.
[3:00:36] Thank you.
[3:00:37] >> Thank you. I'm going to go to um
[3:00:40] » Thank you. I'm going to go to um
[3:00:40] I'm going to go to the CAO cuz maybe you
[3:00:42] could answer the first question is
[3:00:45] what is water available for development
[3:00:47] right now? I believe is what you're
[3:00:48] asking, counselor.
[3:00:50] Or when is it available? Go ahead.
[3:00:54] Yeah, I think the CAO has it.
[3:00:56] >> So through you, Mr. Mayor, to the
[3:00:58] » So through you, Mr. Mayor, to the
[3:00:59] counselor, um interim water actually
[3:01:01] will flow starting tomorrow or actually
[3:01:04] yesterday.
[3:01:06] It's available now. So there is some
[3:01:09] there is available
[3:01:11] uh
[3:01:11] water for
[3:01:13] I think it's around 2,500 units.
[3:01:16] Uh so that is not a barrier to
[3:01:18] development. More of the economy is a
[3:01:19] barrier to development than anything
[3:01:21] else.
[3:01:22] Uh as far as forecasted development
[3:01:24] charges, I would have to
[3:01:27] defer that to to to our treasurer.
[3:01:29] >> Okay, so the water is flowing today, so
[3:01:32] » Okay, so the water is flowing today, so
[3:01:32] that's fine then. Director Gallant, can
[3:01:34] I refer that second question to you?
[3:01:38] » Yes, thank you, your worship. Um
[3:01:41] if we're if we're assuming 500 new units
[3:01:44] would come in the short term, um we'd be
[3:01:47] looking at approximately 47 and 1/2
[3:01:50] million dollars in development charges.
[3:01:53] Um one of the points you raised, which I
[3:01:55] think related to the development charge
[3:01:57] credits we have on the books. So we do
[3:01:59] have some infrastructure that developers
[3:02:01] have built um in exchange for being able
[3:02:05] to offset their permit development
[3:02:07] charge fees. So, we have approximately
[3:02:09] $33 million
[3:02:11] outstanding in DC credits that would
[3:02:14] offset a portion of this $47 Sorry, $47
[3:02:18] million.
[3:02:21] >> Okay, that's fine. Thank you. I'm going
[3:02:22] » Okay, that's fine. Thank you. I'm going
[3:02:22] to go to Deputy Clerk, please. Um
[3:02:25] Councillor Harrison McIntyre, then I'm
[3:02:26] going to call the vote, please.
[3:02:29] Sorry, what was Sorry, 1 second,
[3:02:31] Councillor.
[3:02:32] Sorry, I apologize. I apologize. Your
[3:02:34] second question is why is it moved up to
[3:02:36] the sidewalk? I think that was just a
[3:02:38] proposal or do you have a a quick
[3:02:40] answer, please?
[3:02:42] Go ahead.
[3:02:42] >> Through the worship to council. So,
[3:02:44] » Through the worship to council. So,
[3:02:44] um you might have
[3:02:46] remember in the presentation we gave, we
[3:02:48] talked about 15 m setback from the
[3:02:50] watercourse on the west side of the
[3:02:52] site. So, that does encroach on the
[3:02:55] length of the building and how far we
[3:02:57] can push off Main Street.
[3:02:59] Um if the option is pursued more, we can
[3:03:02] dig into that setback and get more
[3:03:04] information and then that could
[3:03:06] influence where we're positioning it and
[3:03:08] how close it becomes to Main Street. So,
[3:03:11] I wouldn't say that exact frontage is
[3:03:13] fixed, um but it is influenced by that
[3:03:16] setback watercourse condition.
[3:03:18] >> Thank you very much. Oh, Councillor
[3:03:20] » Thank you very much. Oh, Councillor
[3:03:20] Harrison McIntyre, please, and then I'll
[3:03:21] call the vote.
[3:03:22] >> Thank you. I just wanted to make a
[3:03:23] » Thank you. I just wanted to make a
[3:03:23] friendly amendment to the motion that um
[3:03:26] the sizing of the arena is
[3:03:29] um still to be determined.
[3:03:34] When Councillor Cox said community
[3:03:36] sized, I don't know if that's a
[3:03:37] technical term or if it's just
[3:03:40] um
[3:03:41] looking for feedback from the community.
[3:03:43] So, that's what I want to have a little
[3:03:44] bit more discussion on um and find out
[3:03:47] do all of our user groups want it the
[3:03:49] NHL size or is um a smaller size better
[3:03:52] for the ball hockey? And so, I don't
[3:03:55] want to decide on the size right now.
[3:03:56] Just I want to move forward with the
[3:03:59] motion otherwise with everything else as
[3:04:02] is.
[3:04:03] >> Thank you. Um
[3:04:04] » Thank you. Um
[3:04:04] I'll go to Councillor Cox. Do you accept
[3:04:06] a friendly amendment?
[3:04:08] >> I do. It's not a technical term.
[3:04:10] » I do. It's not a technical term.
[3:04:10] >> Thank you. Deputy
[3:04:12] » Thank you. Deputy
[3:04:12] Sorry, Councillor Masters, do you accept
[3:04:13] that? Okay, thank you. So
[3:04:17] the motion's on the floor. You have that
[3:04:18] motion.
[3:04:20] Uh Madam Clerk, and sorry, Director
[3:04:23] Hobbs, please. Mops.
[3:04:26] >> Sorry, Mayor Mayor Norcross, it's for
[3:04:28] » Sorry, Mayor Mayor Norcross, it's for
[3:04:28] you to Councillor Cox. Councillor Cox,
[3:04:30] I'm just hoping if it's possible to add
[3:04:31] some specific language to the grant
[3:04:33] request, and the reason being is staff
[3:04:35] would like to
[3:04:36] pursue grants opportunities, should this
[3:04:38] be passed.
[3:04:39] So I'm hoping that council would
[3:04:41] consider further that council directs
[3:04:43] staff to apply for all available grant
[3:04:45] funding opportunities
[3:04:47] for the project,
[3:04:49] um including, but not limited to, the
[3:04:51] Build Community Strong Fund Direct
[3:04:53] Delivery Stream, the Enabling
[3:04:54] Accessibility Fund, the Green Municipal
[3:04:56] Fund, and the Community Sport and
[3:04:58] Recreation Infrastructure Fund Stream 2,
[3:05:00] as well as other partnerships and
[3:05:01] program opportunities. And the reason
[3:05:03] being is we removed that language
[3:05:05] directly from the the grant opportunity.
[3:05:07] So just allow staff to be able to to
[3:05:09] pursue those those opportunities.
[3:05:11] >> Is it possible to leave it that any and
[3:05:14] » Is it possible to leave it that any and
[3:05:14] all grants that are available from any
[3:05:16] level of government that we will pursue?
[3:05:18] Would that be sufficient, or do you need
[3:05:20] that to be specific?
[3:05:22] Cuz there's no way the clerk's going to
[3:05:23] catch all that right now. So go ahead,
[3:05:25] Director Mops.
[3:05:27] >> If it's okay with you, Mayor Norcross,
[3:05:29] » If it's okay with you, Mayor Norcross,
[3:05:29] if I send that to the clerk to include
[3:05:30] afterwards, just the language was
[3:05:32] specifically um
[3:05:34] uh required for the grant applications.
[3:05:36] So I can forward it to you afterwards.
[3:05:37] >> Thank you, Council. Is everybody in
[3:05:39] » Thank you, Council. Is everybody in
[3:05:39] agreement with that? That it will be
[3:05:40] sent later?
[3:05:42] Okay, and Councillor Cox, you agree. So
[3:05:44] we have a motion duly moved and
[3:05:46] seconded. All those in favor, please.
[3:05:50] 1 2 3 4 5 6.
[3:05:55] So so it
[3:05:57] the motion passes.
[3:05:59] Okay.
[3:06:09] Well, thank you everybody for coming out
[3:06:10] tonight and we greatly appreciate it.
[3:06:14] And um
[3:06:22] Joy have a a confirming bylaw sorry of
[3:06:24] just 20 seconds.
[3:06:26] Be resolved the bylaw 2026-058
[3:06:29] to confirm the proceedings of special
[3:06:31] counsel at its meeting on June 17, 2026
[3:06:34] be read a first
[3:06:35] second and third time and enacted.
[3:06:37] Counselor Rappin, would you move that?
[3:06:39] Thank you. Counselor Gabrick, would you
[3:06:40] second that?
[3:06:41] Thank you. All those in favor?
[3:06:44] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you to
[3:06:45] everybody that came out tonight,
[3:06:47] expressed your opinions, and gave so
[3:06:48] freely of your time. We've moved
[3:06:50] forward.
[3:06:53] >> [applause]
[3:06:54] » [applause]
[3:06:54] >> So, we have a German be resolved the
[3:06:57] » So, we have a German be resolved the
[3:06:57] meeting adjourned at 8:05
[3:07:00] and uh
[3:07:01] Counselor Cox and Counselor Best.
[3:07:04] All those in favor? Thank you.