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Sound check. Sounds are working. Okay welcome everybody. I'm going

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to call to order this regular Council meeting for Monday

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July 13th 2026. We begin our meetings in New Westminster

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by recognising and respecting the new Westminsters on the Unseeded

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and unsrendered land of the Halcome speaking Peoples. We acknowledge

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that colonialism has made invisible their histories and their connections

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to the land and is a city we are learning

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and we are building relationships with the people whose lands

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were on. First item on the agenda era is approval

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of the agenda as it was circulated to council. Ruin

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a second aid. All in favor, all opposed carried. And

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then we move on right away to delegations. So in

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New Westminster, we allow folks to delegate to counsel. We

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have full sign - up sheet of people today to

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delegate to counsel. It's a chance for anybody to come

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and speak for five minutes to council and what issues

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that are important to them. We just ask folks when

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they are invited to come when they're called to come

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forward to the desk up here and speak to one

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of the microphones in front of you. There'll be a

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little red lights there that all turn on that folks

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can hear you. We just ask that, Ryan folks that

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first of all that, yeah, if you, after your delegation,

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council members may ask you questions or Council members may

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direct questions to members of staff. However, you're not in

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any way compelled to answer those questions. It's not a

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matter of a dialogue or you're not adhered to be

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what's on your mind and for you to relate to

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us what your concerns are more than it is to

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get into a deliberation or debate with counsel. We also

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ask that everyone be respectful. Try to speak to issues

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and not about people. Try to recognise this is not

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just a council chambers and a public forum, but it's

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also workplace and we have to speak with people not

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to use harassing, disrespectful or discriminatory language. If we hear

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anything like that, a member of counsel or member of

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staff may say point of order. If that happens, you

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just ask you to be quiet for a minute and

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we'll figure out, um, we'll figure out whether we need

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to correct language or how we can move forward from

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that point forward. Um, yeah, there'll be a five minute

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timer behind me that will count down anyone who comes

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forward has five minutes. I don't think I've missed anything

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else. So I will go on with the, uh, first

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person on the delegation is Lena Grace. Oh, integrations on

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Zoom, which is going to be, which I didn't even

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is on Zoom. So Lina, if you're on Zoom, you

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should be able to, oh, you are. Can we hear

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you. Hi there, it's Linnea. Yes. Lanea. Hello. How are

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you? Uh, yes, we can hear you. Um, you, uh,

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the delegations are on. You have five minutes of four

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resers. Okay. Fantastic. Thank you so much for having me

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today. So my name is Lynette Grace and my service,

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the executive director of the life saving society BCN UConn

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branch. Um, for those that may not be as familiar

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with our organisation, the life saving society. If the charitable

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organisation dedicated to preventing drowning through swim lessons, training programs,

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water smart education, aquatic safety services. Including expert services available

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to municipalities and developing or operating aquatic facilities and conducting

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audits. As well as license sport. The life saving society

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is recognised as Canada's life starting expert. And one of

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the five leading agencies in providing first aid. And so

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across the country, uh, annually over 1. 7 million Canadians

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participate in our swim life saving lifeguarding first aid. And

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leadership program. So knowing that July sees the peak of

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water related incidents each year, the life - saving society

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chooses the third week of July as National Driving Prevention

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Week. Or NDPW. So this is our public awareness campaign

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each year to build community and media support for the

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drowning prevention cause. Pools and waterfronts throughout BC and UConn

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helped to communicate preventative drowning information and promote water safety

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education through public events. Media came media campaigns proclamations and

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more. This year's theme is safety starts with being water

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smart prepare and prevent. Um. As you folks know, 202.

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Has seen an alarming number of drownings in the province

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since January 1st. As of today, at least 30 people

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in British Columbia have died in drowning related incidents with

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additional fatalities still under investigation or with active searches underway.

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We are seeing risky behaviour in BC, including people not

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using life jackets when boating or failing to take basic

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precautions and planning. When it comes to safety for their

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swimming or paddling activity. Um, drowning is preventable, but only

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when action. Is taken to prevent it. So with. The

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support of new Westminster and other municipalities, we will try

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to light on these risks. And ensure that more British

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Columbians are kept safe and on and around the water

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this summer. I'd be happy to take any questions. Or

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have any discussions anytime. About how you can champion water

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safety and access expertise in the life saving society. Um,

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I'll also mention here that our team will be at

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the union of DC municipalities convention the September and would

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be pleased to connect then or beforehand. But for now,

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I want to thank you for the invitation to speak

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today. For your continued support. In championing water safety. And

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thank you for making this proclamation. Thank you, Lynnia. I

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do a proclamation, but before we might have some questions

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for members of counsel. So thank Councillor Henderson. Hi, Leni.

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a topic at this council a lot about how, how

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we get more kids through swimming lessons. And I think

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we're, we're getting creative around the ways we've piloted a

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project at Kelvin, which is a lot of newcomer, has

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a lot of newcomer, uh, families and kids, uh, who

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attend that school and, and getting them in there for

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initial, um, initial lessons and looking now at how we

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might be able to expand the financial supports for, for

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families to do that. So just want to thank you

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for this work. It's so important. Um, I think everyone

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at this council has recognised the importance and need for

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water safety and skills and appreciate the advocacy that you're

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doing. Thanks. Yeah. Thank you again. Sorry. Thank you again

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for your delegation and for reminding us about this. Um,

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yeah, unfortunately it's been in the news quite a bit

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as of the last few weeks about drowning deaths in

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British Columbia and the spike, it's happening this year on

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in drowning deaths. And, um, and I guess it's a

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good reminder for folks that it's not just about children.

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It's about adults as well who aren't just doing those

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basic precautions of work life jackets and acting responsibly around

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water. And they're totally unnecessary desk. Competitive preventables. So thank

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you for raising the awareness here. And I will read

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the proclamation. Whereas the mission of life - saving society,

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Canada, is to prevent drowning throughout this great country and

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even one drowning in British Columbia is one too many.

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And whereas most drownings are preventable in a water sport,

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smart community, and only through water smart education and healthy

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respect for the potential danger that any body of water

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may present can be genuinely enjoyed the beauty and recreation

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opportunities offered by these bodies of water. And whereas life

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- saving society urges Canadians and residents of New Westminster

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to supervise children who are in and around the water

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to refrain from drinking alcoholic beverages while participating in aquatic

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activities and to always wear a life jacket when boating.

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And whereas the United Nations General Assembly passed the UN

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resolution on drowning prevention and named July 25th of each

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year as world drowning prevention day. And the life -

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saving society of Canada has declared July 19th, 25th, 2026

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National Drowning Convention Week to focus on the drowning problem

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and the hundreds of lives that could be saved this

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year. Therefore, I, Patrick draws still in the mayor of

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the City of New Westminster hereby proclaimed July 195, 2026

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as National Drowning French and Week in the city of

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New Westminster. Thank you again for your delegation. Thank you

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so much and thank you for supporting National Drought and

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Prevention Week.

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Okay. Uh, sorry, our next alligate is Halfa. Who's not

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here might be on Zoom. As well. Fha, how are

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you? Hello. Thanks for having me everyone. I am sorry

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that I wish I could be in person, but I'm

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very sick, so I didn't want to contaminate people. With

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my flu. Uh, so I'm going to get down to

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my delegation. Uh. Tonight. I'm the president for New West

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Pride. So for those who doesn't know me, I'm half

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a very nice to meet you. And tonight as we

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gather together in celebration, I also want to take a

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moment to reflect on something that is an always visible.

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Pride is often seen as a single day parade, a

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festival, a celebration. But the truth is that Pride is

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the work that happens in the other 364 days of

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the year. Desir New S Pride has been incredibly busy.

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We closed out last year with the night before Christmas.

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And evening that celebrated Cruiy Artist, performance and creativity while

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creating a space for people who may not have families

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to celebrate the holidays with. It was an opportunity to

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come together. Bill chosen family and remind one another that

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everyone deserves a place where they belong. When then marked,

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then we marked trends day of visibility through our visible

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AF serious, creating spaces where trends and gender diverse people

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could simply exist and act, learn and be celebrated. There

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are Visa Boy F - Market and makeup tutorial. Community

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members explored self - expression and identity in an environment's

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free from judgment, ring force mean that visibility is about

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more than being seen. It's about being welcomed, valued and

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supported. We've started holding monthly crising beers that support the

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queer - run business, creating a space for creatures to

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perform and for our community to find support and connection.

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It has been incredibly well received and it's quickly becoming

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a beacon for people seeking acceptance at a time when

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that acceptance is incredibly under threat. We're seeing people travel

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for places such as Spartlands and Francisco to be part

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of our community. Draw by, excuse me. A celebration that

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is rooted in inclusion belonging and genuine genuine connection. We

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are incredibly proud of this work and thankful to the

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CD, the volunteer support and intended that have shown up

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to the Visible and Share in our community. But there's

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another side of our work that many people never see.

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Sometimes that youvocacy happens behind closed doors, boardrooms, over deep

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good conversations. And across meeting tables. This year specifically, our

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board made a commitment to ask difficult questions about who

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we are and what we stand for. We ask the

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newest Minister Police Department to honour the roots of pride

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by working with us to imagine a celebration when members

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of our community could feel safe without a uniformed police

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presence. That conversation wasn't about exclusion. It was about recognising

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that Pride begun as a protest against systems that marginalized

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our community and acknowledging that for many queer people, especially

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trans people, indigenous folks and other racialized communities. Those histories

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are not ancient history. They are living experiences and very

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current ones. Whether we agree on every solution or not,

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we believe this conversations are worth having because pride has

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always challenges to imagine something bad. We also took a

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hard to look at ourselves. We ask whether the organisations

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would invite into our stages, the businesses we accept sponsorship

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from and the voices we amplify truly reflect the values

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we claim to hold. Being an ally isn't something you

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become because you change your logo for a month. Excuse

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me? Did someone say something? No, you're still good. No.

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Okay. Being in light is demonstrated through action. Your policy.

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I believe in the auto conference room has the audio.

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So I always keep hearing something. So I think someone

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is talking to me. I'm sorry. Being analyse demonstrated through

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action, through policies, through how you treat your employees, through

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how you support people and nobody's watching. Our responsibility isn't

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simply to celebrate our community. It is to protect it,

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to educate forward, to ensure that the platform we've built

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reflects the values, the generations before us. Fought so hard

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to secure. The work it isn't always easy. Sometimes it

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means saying no. Sometimes it means having uncomfortable conversations. Sometimes

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means choosing integrity over convenience. But that is what Pride

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has always asked us. And as we celebrate on the

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weeks to come, I hope you'll remember that every performance

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volunteer is sponsored. Every person that shows up with an

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open heart and every young queer person who sees themselves

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reflected, they are part of something bigger, something much bigger

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than the festival. We are continuing movement rooted in courage.

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A movement built through community. And a movement that reminds

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us that progress doesn't happen by accident. It happens because

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originary people chose every single day to keep you doing

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their work. Once again, to close it out, thank you

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to everyone who hosted and students who has beside us

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in the US pride of this year. Thank you to

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our volunteers, to our performers, to our partners, to our

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board, to our community. Thank you for believing the pride

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can be both the celebration and a catholic for change.

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Land back, defend the police, free Palestine and happy Pride

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everyone. Thank you, Hafa. Excellent, Jab. I don't see any,

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oh, I cancelled Campbell, sorry. Hi, Rafa, thank you so

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much for delegating. And I hope you do feel better

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so we can see each other in person soon. Um,

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I always like to share when we talk about Pride

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and the work that you and, um, those before you

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did in New Westminster and elsewhere. Um, sometimes it is,

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it feels like it's, we're not or it's, you know,

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it's the same folks that are engaged, but I know,

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uh, that there are many families that are grateful that

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you are existing and growing in newestminster and not just

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one time of the year throughout the year. Because for

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many families who are living and experiencing and the joy

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of, of, uh, pride in their families, it's just nice

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to know that youth in this community, uh, feel represented.

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And it's also know that that representation can be the

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difference between life and death. And it can be the

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difference between wellness and unwellness. And, uh, it's critical, right?

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I mean, as you said, it's a party, but it's

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also something that I know that we need to make

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sure that we continue and we never forget that it's,

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it's a protest. It's not just a party, um, and

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I appreciate all the work that you and others, uh,

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like I said, now and have done in the past,

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uh, especially for the youth in this community who need,

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uh, need that continue support, whether it's vocal or, um,

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just seen in various representation throughout the community. It's, it's

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important. And we appreciate you. Thank you so much, Ruby.

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Appreciate it. Thank you. Rafa, I have one question for

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you. My proclamation says Pride Week, the extended cut. Explain

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that title. Uh, we want to go bigger and we

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want to be want to make a bigger noise this

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year. So instead of doing one week celebration, we're going

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bigger. We are doing two weeks celebration. So we are

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calling the extended cut. We have workshops, we'll see on

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our socials all of our calendars. We're just as Ruby

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just mentioned pretty like we want to be celebrated every

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time that we can. So we are here to stay.

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So that's why it's the extended cut. Okay. Well, thank

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you very much for coming in for being able to

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delegate to us. Uh, there are many members of your

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board here in the room as well. So they were

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sending love and support from the room here. Sorry to

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hear. Love you guys. Sorry to hear you're not feeling

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well. Um, but I also want to thank you. Thank

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you and your board for not just for the celebration

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and the event that is, uh, that is Pride Week

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are now prided. But also, um, as you said, for

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always pushing forward, always, um, once again, keeping it about

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fighting for fighting for the, um, the values of inclusion

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and community that pride always stood for. It's a constantly

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evolving organisation in New Westminster. And it's wonderful to see

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it evolved, but always keeping those values in the centre

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of it all. So thank you for the work that

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you do for the entire community in that. So. That's

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just a thanks for me. Now I will now read

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the proclamation, Pride Week, the extended cut. Uh, whereas human

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and civil rights are accorded to everyone in a free

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and democratic society. And homophobia, transphobia and hateful rhetoric in

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actions continue to actively threaten the peace wellbeing and lives

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of two spirit lesbian gay bisexual, transgender, queer questioning intersex

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and asexual people. As well as people who identify with

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the community yet cannot be restricted by a label. And

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whereas the Westminster City Council's first strategic priority is Community

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Belonging and Collecting, which is viewed through the context of

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diversity, equity, inclusion, and anti - racism. And whereas Pride

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Week, the extended cut is a place for two S

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LGBTQ QIA plus people to show up as fully themselves

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in their community, in the spirit of diversity, equality, inclusion,

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and intersectional pride, which contributes to building a more vibrant,

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accepting city and society. And whereas two S LGBTQ QIA

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plus people belong in our community. Their lives matter in

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our community. Therefore, I, Patrick Johnston, the mayor of the

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City of New Westminster, hereby proclaim August 4th to 15th,

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2026 as Pride Week, the extended cut in the city

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of New Westminster, British Columbia. Thanks, Angela. Let's go. Thank

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everyone. Hope you see you all there. Thank you.

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Okay. Our next delegate is Pat News. A

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is not online. And I don't see Mr. Museum in

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the room. Okay. If you shows up by the end

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of delegation, period, we'll have him up at the end

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of delegations. So the next elegant is Brian O'Neal. Is

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Brian von Ovenal in the room. Okay. We'll do the

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same thing at Friday O'Neal shows up for here. We'll

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put up at the end of the delegations. Um, the

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next delegate is Tim Takaro.

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Good evening. Thank you very much for the opportunity to

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speak to you. About the adaptation and resilience phase four

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report. I'm a physician scientist and the planetary health lead

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for the new medical school at SFU. I'm also a

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member of the Canadian Association of Positions for the Environment.

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And the mighty new West Climate Action Hub. Um, I'm

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here to speak to you about, uh, this report. I'm

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certainly in favor of the contents of the report and

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what the report is attempting to do. What I wanted

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to do with you, uh, this evening though is point

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out the large. Difference that we face, uh, decision that

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we are in the midst of as to whether we

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will have a two degree warmer world in 2050. Or

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a four to six degree warmer world. And this for

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adaptation and resilience, of course, is a huge difference. What

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we have seen in the last few weeks from Europe

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are thousands of excess deaths because of climate change. And

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yet. Countries like ours continue to increase the emissions which

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lead to increased temperatures. Which lead to weather disasters and

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death. We are consciously doing this. In the next slide.

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You can see, uh, statement from the Secretary General of

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the United. Pointing out that even back in 2022, we

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were on a path to more than double, they 1.

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5 degree limit. He says some governments and business leaders

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are saying one thing, but doing another. Simply put, they

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are lying. And the result will be catastrophic. This is

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a climate emergency. He went on to say that investing

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in new fossil fuels, infrastructure is moral and economic madness.

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This has not changed. In the next slide, you can

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see where we are at a tipping point. Unfortunately, we

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have already, uh, past the options in the blue lines.

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And we are now in the magenta lines which show

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a very significant overshoot. Only if we stop emitting now.

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So we are at this crossroads. And for the counsel,

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this means, what can we do locally to be assured

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that we can meet our adaptation and resilience planning. The

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next slide. These are some of the choices we're making.

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Uh, this is from a report that I was a

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coauthor on published by Health Canada. Which notes some of

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the most dramatic impacts. And I would point out that

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this means disruptions of food systems, water resources. Air pollution,

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reemergence of Climate Sensitive Infectious Disease. And increasing demands on

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our health system. Where a future at 1. 5 degrees

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is very, very different from a future at four to

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six degrees. Next slide. This slide describes the excess deaths

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that we saw. Many of them in this city in

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July of 2021. And with our current trajectory of emissions,

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we are going to be seeing more and more of

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these debts. So I am asking for the counsel in

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consideration of your phase four reporting. First, I thank you

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for the resolution of Councillor Henderson who enabled the passage

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of a letter to the province. Requesting a cumulative health

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impact assessment of the BC gas industry. That is a

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crucial bit of information that we need. We need to

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understand what all of the emissions are from the fracking

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to the transport to the liquefaction to the burning of

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BC gas. So in consideration of this resilience plan, I've

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shown how much harder it will be to implement in

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afford to six degree warmer world. I ask that the

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counsel send a letter. To the BC Environmental Assessment Office.

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Asking that further expansion of the Tilbury LNG facility in

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our airshed be paused until the cumulative health impacts of

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the gas industry is completed. In this way, we will

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stand together with other frontline communities facing threats to their

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hair and water from expanding gas infrastructure. And I ask

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that, uh, be sent prior to July 27th, which is

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the end of the public comment period on the Tilbury

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gas facility. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you

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for your delegation. Um, I don't have any comments from

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counsel right now. Um, I'll just say thank you again

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for delegating. I mean, the large part of me, the

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wishes that we didn't have a Climate adaptation and resilience

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plan. I wish that, um, for the last two decades

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when people like you from the scientific community had been

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calling for governments to do work. The governments had actually

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returned that with action. And we wouldn't be in a

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situation right now where we have to start spending money

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on adaptation and resilience planning just to survive this. Um,

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the parallels between the heat dome we had five years

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ago and what's going on in Europe over the last

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couple of weeks are obvious. The exact same weather phenomenon

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caused by the same kind of climate disruption. Uh, the

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numbers were staggering. I just read about in Great Britain.

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They had in England and Wales had 440 deaths a

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day for that heat dome. It's just staggering what the

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impacts are. And, um, I just, for those, all those

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decades, it was all about how we were going to

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save money by not doing this. And here we are

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where we have to pay the bill now. And that's,

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that's unfortunate. We're paying the bill not just in the

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cost of spending on resilience and spending on adaptation, but

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we're paying the bill in people's lives and people's health.

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And that's, that's sad that we're here. But, um, thank

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you for speaking and in support of the, uh, of

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the plan that we're trying to bring forward, trying to

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bring forth, trying to work on. We have actually put

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some, I counsel might have to remind me about where

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we were with a Tilbury. There was some communications put

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forward from us from that resolution around the Tilbury plant.

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And Council might have to remind me of where we

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did. But, um, thank you for your note and we'll,

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yeah, we'll, yeah. Thank you. Anyway, that's how I'll just

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finish my saying thank you, Dr. Tako for doing this.

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Thank you. Our next delegate is Leonor Sally.

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Yeah. Mr. Muzi officially at the end of the queue

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since you were already on. Yep. Thanks. Good evening council.

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I thank you for the opportunity to speak. Um, I

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am here tonight representing the New Westminster Community Response Network

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and to support counsel's motion regarding training to support the

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rights of older adults and preventing elder abuse. I want

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to thank Council for bringing forward this very positive motion.

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And for recognising that seniors deserve a safe, respectful and

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supportive city. We appreciate your leadership regarding his concern. I

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also wanted to let Council know that since the motion

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was first proposed, we have met directly with city staff

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to explore opportunities of how the New Westminster Community Response

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Network can work with city staff and other agencies on

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this issue and also explore ways to advance his work

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through the age friendly strategy implementation working group. City staff

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have been very supportive. And very proactive in this. I

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want to thank you again for your leadership on this

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issue. Thank you. Um, Councillor Campbell. Hi, Leonora. Thank you

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for delegating today and also initially for bringing this idea

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forward. Yeah, I after putting the motion forward, I realised

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you're actually on the H - Renly strategy working group,

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which is fantastic. And I am glad that is coming

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forward and going to be explored further through that working

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group. Because since I put this motion forward, I received

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numerous phone calls from, uh, different organisations that support seniors.

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And also from businesses who were saying, how do we,

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uh, how do we know what we don't know, right?

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So, and I know in the action plan or the,

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uh, age friendly strategy, the idea to connect with businesses.

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Yes. I really appreciate that because one of the things

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that we know is that, um, it's, you know, it's

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a lot on the kids, a lot of seniors don't

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even have, they live in isolation. They don't have caregivers.

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Um, and even if you have a caregiver, caregivers are

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exhausted and they can't do it alone. Um, I do

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hope that, um, well, when the motion comes forward, I'll

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probably quick about it because I'm seeing some comments now,

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but I do hope that we can action this rather

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quickly and get information out sooner rather than later, especially

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as an example that Dr. Tecaro mentioned with the heat.

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I mean, this is critical now, right? And it's in

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the heat is also a safety issue. So if we're

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really talking about H friendly strategies, um, it's something that

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I feel we, we really need to action sooner at

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and later. I mean, I love strategies. I love that

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we need to consult folks. And I just really want

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to say thank you. And again, whatever you can do

475
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:13,719
from your end as well to hopefully get this information

476
00:32:14,060 --> 00:32:19,079
out soon to people through working out, like throughout the

477
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:23,799
city, like even, you know, our frontline staff and businesses,

478
00:32:23,799 --> 00:32:29,639
um, uh, I would really value that as our residents

479
00:32:29,639 --> 00:32:32,359
are getting older. We can't wait. So thank you very

480
00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:35,553
much. Thank you for your delegation. And yeah, this will

481
00:32:35,553 --> 00:32:37,873
be on this item will be on the agenda items.

482
00:32:37,873 --> 00:32:39,953
So it's 0. 2 a little later in the meeting

483
00:32:39,993 --> 00:32:49,918
today. Right. Thank you. Thank you. So fire. Okay.

484
00:32:49,939 --> 00:32:52,078
Our next delegate is Bill Chu.

485
00:33:04,162 --> 00:33:09,102
Mira Johnson and the council. I'm Bill Chu founder of

486
00:33:09,363 --> 00:33:13,502
Canadians for reconciliation society who is also representing 10 other

487
00:33:13,603 --> 00:33:17,182
organisations and 20 individuals who co - signed the letter

488
00:33:17,203 --> 00:33:20,769
presented to the council already. I would like to thank

489
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:26,209
the city first for accepting CFOS to all nine invitation

490
00:33:26,209 --> 00:33:29,816
to a process of reconciliation. And the offering of 10

491
00:33:29,856 --> 00:33:35,256
redemptive actions for the city's past discriminatory policies trust the

492
00:33:35,256 --> 00:33:40,257
Chinese Community. I also want to thank the CD4LAN exchange

493
00:33:40,678 --> 00:33:47,377
with SD40 which enable its successful design construction and opening

494
00:33:47,417 --> 00:33:51,137
of brand new school on an exchange site, which is

495
00:33:51,137 --> 00:33:56,813
critical. In by 2021. Now this is just my attempt

496
00:33:56,834 --> 00:34:00,013
here to update you on just one of those. What

497
00:34:00,013 --> 00:34:03,483
happened to one redemptive actions. And this one is about

498
00:34:04,544 --> 00:34:08,363
cities undertaking to quoted work with the province and the

499
00:34:08,464 --> 00:34:13,580
school district. To explore opportunities for Memorial at the former

500
00:34:13,601 --> 00:34:21,369
Chinese cemetery site. And of course under that initiative, SD40

501
00:34:21,710 --> 00:34:28,419
formed a memorization advisory committee in 2016. As soon as

502
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:34,739
then equilibrium effort to invite impacted stakeholders, groups. So for

503
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,619
why inputs for the design of the memorial semi -

504
00:34:38,619 --> 00:34:43,939
tree park, at worst, for an extreme reasons, the MEC

505
00:34:43,939 --> 00:34:51,952
meetings were abruptly terminated. After January 2024. Under his current

506
00:34:51,973 --> 00:34:57,232
leadership, with our first getting and approved, final published line

507
00:34:57,493 --> 00:35:03,312
and approved fact wordings. Now such directly contradicts is terms

508
00:35:03,352 --> 00:35:08,287
of reference. Fish Menthesis work to continue until the Memorial

509
00:35:08,327 --> 00:35:14,511
Structures I installed. So we strongly object to those procedural

510
00:35:14,612 --> 00:35:18,591
failures and the resulting deviations from the agreement point reconciliation

511
00:35:18,612 --> 00:35:25,560
process. Namely, a lack of communication. They make minimum effort

512
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,604
to engage with 33 stakeholder groups. I have to ask

513
00:35:30,185 --> 00:35:34,324
them before I was actually admitted to the MEC in

514
00:35:34,585 --> 00:35:40,561
2021. Five years after. And prematurity spendment, which I describe

515
00:35:40,601 --> 00:35:45,921
already and causing the site in an unsightly state for

516
00:35:46,022 --> 00:35:51,601
at least a year. And bypassing oversight, circumventing the process

517
00:35:52,582 --> 00:35:59,697
to funds an approved drawings and prank worthings. And four,

518
00:35:59,737 --> 00:36:04,919
ignoring stakeholder inputs. People like us like to provide constructive

519
00:36:04,940 --> 00:36:11,264
feedbacks. That we often ignore it. And five, compromising historical

520
00:36:11,525 --> 00:36:16,348
accuracy. Now that's most important for us. Because the PAP

521
00:36:16,348 --> 00:36:24,065
is about advancing and accurate. Narrative. Not a fairy tale.

522
00:36:26,835 --> 00:36:32,734
And this practice, the only ones on site, educational tool

523
00:36:32,734 --> 00:36:36,842
for visitors. So it's important. Now as a city, as

524
00:36:36,842 --> 00:36:39,842
I said, has spent so much effort in time towards

525
00:36:39,882 --> 00:36:44,136
reconciliation. It will be a shame for the reconstruction of

526
00:36:44,237 --> 00:36:49,509
NWSS to end with a disrespectful and an approve. Up

527
00:36:49,530 --> 00:36:54,650
design and wordings. Betraying the various history and the histories.

528
00:36:54,650 --> 00:36:59,393
And the cities put intentions. Therefore, we sincerely request that

529
00:36:59,414 --> 00:37:04,491
this cancel uses votes today. True withholding the approval on

530
00:37:04,512 --> 00:37:10,971
item 4. 11 on your agenda regarding SD40's school sites,

531
00:37:10,971 --> 00:37:15,530
composals and longed range facility parents. And to cause a

532
00:37:15,551 --> 00:37:19,850
school district to pause this project until the MEC is

533
00:37:20,111 --> 00:37:26,333
reconvened. And corrective measures taken. They need to update the

534
00:37:26,434 --> 00:37:31,176
33 stakeholder groups and invite them back to MAC. And

535
00:37:31,176 --> 00:37:34,736
also they need to invite their comments and approval. So

536
00:37:35,037 --> 00:37:39,117
free prior informed consent. Can be a pain from impacted

537
00:37:39,138 --> 00:37:45,243
stakeholder groups. Before everything would be considered approved for construction.

538
00:37:49,738 --> 00:37:53,077
After all, this particular voice is not for expanded parking

539
00:37:53,418 --> 00:37:57,477
random bike roots or pre - ground for skateboards and

540
00:37:57,498 --> 00:38:00,277
e - scooters. But as solemn praise to fulfill the

541
00:38:00,317 --> 00:38:04,357
city's promise to protect it from any further integnities and

542
00:38:05,018 --> 00:38:09,838
desecration. And any wordings purple is just not meant to

543
00:38:10,099 --> 00:38:12,810
make the living look good. But to provide a candy

544
00:38:12,831 --> 00:38:16,938
refraction on history denied so far from so many. So

545
00:38:16,959 --> 00:38:20,218
thank you for listening to me. And it's actually not

546
00:38:20,218 --> 00:38:24,343
just me. There are many groups. Thank you again. Thank

547
00:38:24,343 --> 00:38:27,543
you. Thank you, Mr. Chair, for your presentation. Um, Council

548
00:38:27,583 --> 00:38:32,683
Senakawa. Thank you. Uh, thank you for being here and

549
00:38:32,723 --> 00:38:36,283
raising this issue. Um, Council just had a member of

550
00:38:36,283 --> 00:38:38,923
the public reach out and ask, uh, you know, about

551
00:38:38,923 --> 00:38:42,103
the possibility of like cherry blossoms on this site. And

552
00:38:42,103 --> 00:38:45,563
so I don't think that the community fully understands the

553
00:38:45,603 --> 00:38:47,963
important. And like you said, the solemn nature of this

554
00:38:48,064 --> 00:38:52,923
site. I also served on the MAC Committee for a

555
00:38:52,963 --> 00:38:55,083
brief period. I think around the time maybe that you

556
00:38:55,104 --> 00:38:59,323
are invited alongside Councillor McAvoy. Um, and I do agree.

557
00:38:59,323 --> 00:39:03,003
I think it did come to a rather abrupt end.

558
00:39:03,003 --> 00:39:06,857
Obviously it is, um. Important and sensitive conversation. And I

559
00:39:06,857 --> 00:39:09,337
think it would feel better to wrap it up in

560
00:39:09,438 --> 00:39:12,617
a, you know, in a really meaningful way. So I

561
00:39:12,617 --> 00:39:14,617
would be very happy to connect with you the chair

562
00:39:14,657 --> 00:39:17,017
of the school board and the superintendent to ask them

563
00:39:17,038 --> 00:39:20,497
about, um, whether the opportunity we convene, how do we

564
00:39:20,497 --> 00:39:22,937
come back to this conversation? Uh, I know that they

565
00:39:22,958 --> 00:39:28,997
have been incredibly busy with, um, managing schools. And, um,

566
00:39:29,118 --> 00:39:32,537
planning for new schools, um, and that this isn't necessarily

567
00:39:32,638 --> 00:39:37,977
something that they have an extensive background in. And I

568
00:39:37,977 --> 00:39:39,737
agree with you that I think when you ask people

569
00:39:39,998 --> 00:39:43,177
for feedback for these groups, um, I know like the

570
00:39:43,278 --> 00:39:46,457
choke coat nation was there. There was groups from, from,

571
00:39:46,457 --> 00:39:51,097
uh, all around who had a connection with that site,

572
00:39:51,097 --> 00:39:52,857
that they do want to see how their feedback was

573
00:39:52,878 --> 00:39:56,617
taken and want to see that site built in a

574
00:39:56,617 --> 00:39:59,977
meaningful way that you're exactly right. So no, nothing celebrate

575
00:39:59,998 --> 00:40:03,177
memorializes the history of it. Acknowledges the history, which isn't

576
00:40:03,198 --> 00:40:06,057
as well known as it should be. So, uh, we'd

577
00:40:06,057 --> 00:40:07,417
be happy to connect with you in the School District

578
00:40:07,417 --> 00:40:10,000
about that to follow up on this. Thank you for

579
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,200
your comments. I just want to respond by saying that

580
00:40:15,141 --> 00:40:18,320
they, on their own website, says this park would be

581
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,193
completed this summer. And you guys all know what it

582
00:40:22,193 --> 00:40:28,529
looked like right now. Is it impressing anyone. Is Memorial

583
00:40:28,569 --> 00:40:31,126
supposed to look like. I think they are so far

584
00:40:31,227 --> 00:40:32,886
off the mark that we have to put a stop

585
00:40:32,926 --> 00:40:36,081
on it. Before they just pull those everything to whatever

586
00:40:36,342 --> 00:40:40,254
they want. Whatever wedding they want. And that's not the

587
00:40:40,254 --> 00:40:47,924
way to go. Right. Because the city, because solemn promise,

588
00:40:48,745 --> 00:40:51,938
you know, 17 years ago. I spent most of this

589
00:40:51,978 --> 00:40:56,309
17 years. Not in the council with those guys. And

590
00:40:56,349 --> 00:41:00,665
he has been really disappointing. And I hope you guys

591
00:41:00,926 --> 00:41:04,025
wouldn't allow them to invect the city's name in the

592
00:41:04,126 --> 00:41:08,370
month, so to speak. Because everyone would guess, or I

593
00:41:08,370 --> 00:41:12,930
assume wrongly, let's say beloved cities, but he somehow, it's

594
00:41:12,930 --> 00:41:16,302
been on to them, right? And we cannot just allow

595
00:41:16,342 --> 00:41:20,171
them to do whatever they want. It's not my reputation

596
00:41:21,232 --> 00:41:25,586
risk. It's yours. So does it make sense to all

597
00:41:25,607 --> 00:41:31,163
of you. Okay, thank you. Yeah. I think that you

598
00:41:31,163 --> 00:41:33,883
can expect to hear from Councillor Nakawa and we'll try

599
00:41:33,883 --> 00:41:36,683
to connect you with, with, we'll try to connect through

600
00:41:36,704 --> 00:41:39,003
the school board. It's important, I think that the three

601
00:41:39,024 --> 00:41:41,403
party conversation here between us and the school board who

602
00:41:41,424 --> 00:41:45,243
owned the land and that conversation would be, I hope

603
00:41:45,243 --> 00:41:46,823
you'll be able to find some resolutions to that. But

604
00:41:46,823 --> 00:41:49,483
I really appreciate you coming here and delegating to us.

605
00:41:49,483 --> 00:41:50,923
You know, we haven't had a delegation from you during

606
00:41:50,963 --> 00:41:53,003
this council term. So it's, it's nice to see you

607
00:41:53,003 --> 00:41:55,883
again and make your still working on this. And I'm

608
00:41:55,923 --> 00:41:57,723
sorry that you're not completed it. I'm sorry. We haven't

609
00:41:57,723 --> 00:42:02,683
got a completed yet. So. One, two. Come to offer.

610
00:42:02,683 --> 00:42:08,523
I've been here. And I've lost all the councillors. Thank

611
00:42:08,563 --> 00:42:15,655
you. Here, our next delegate is Lori Law.

612
00:42:31,271 --> 00:42:35,463
Hello. Good evening. Mayor and Council, thank you for your

613
00:42:35,463 --> 00:42:40,051
time tonight. Um, we're going to talk about housing. And

614
00:42:40,051 --> 00:42:44,551
I was very saddened to hear about the families that

615
00:42:44,572 --> 00:42:48,306
lost their home at Pinecrest Manor. Um, so would like

616
00:42:48,346 --> 00:42:51,826
to send my condolences out to them. And also say

617
00:42:51,826 --> 00:42:56,146
that I'm in awe of how quickly the resident of

618
00:42:57,127 --> 00:42:59,232
New S came together to help each other. So that

619
00:42:59,413 --> 00:43:04,899
was very helpwarming. Um, Mr. Mayor, I'd like to thank

620
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:10,899
you and Ms. Tambelini, the city's manager of intergovernmental relations.

621
00:43:10,899 --> 00:43:14,779
We're joining our walking tour last Wednesday. Um, we would

622
00:43:14,819 --> 00:43:18,379
have been more prepared if you had our SVP by

623
00:43:18,419 --> 00:43:21,825
the June 26th deadline. Rather than send the last minute

624
00:43:21,865 --> 00:43:25,265
request the night before the tour. However, our group of

625
00:43:25,526 --> 00:43:28,785
eight neighbours welcomed you for the walk around the transitional

626
00:43:28,806 --> 00:43:34,550
housing centre. During the tour, you stated that we had

627
00:43:35,051 --> 00:43:39,173
asked for consultation. And that you were present. And therefore

628
00:43:39,274 --> 00:43:43,908
available for consultation. And you asked, what do you want.

629
00:43:45,756 --> 00:43:48,695
In the future, when you are offering a consultation, we

630
00:43:49,036 --> 00:43:52,935
want two weeks notice so we can prepare and better

631
00:43:52,956 --> 00:43:58,709
make use of your time and ours. You noted in

632
00:43:58,749 --> 00:44:02,469
your Facebook post from last Thursday that you'd offered to

633
00:44:02,490 --> 00:44:07,829
set up meetings with leaders in other jurisdictions who hosts

634
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:12,159
similar projects. You did make this offer. And we politely

635
00:44:12,260 --> 00:44:18,159
declined because we want to go beyond simple, verbal assurances

636
00:44:18,740 --> 00:44:23,351
that these projects are a success. We have been told

637
00:44:23,532 --> 00:44:28,471
by BC Housing that the tiny village was a success

638
00:44:28,892 --> 00:44:34,230
in Victoria. However, we were given data from 2019. Which

639
00:44:34,411 --> 00:44:38,966
is before the tiny home village was commissioned. And the

640
00:44:39,006 --> 00:44:43,507
data was for a different style of housing. Studio suites

641
00:44:43,528 --> 00:44:51,291
with private bathrooms, kitchenets, and interior hallways. This report card

642
00:44:52,192 --> 00:44:56,811
has, uh, data for, for seven units. And as I

643
00:44:56,811 --> 00:45:02,211
mentioned, uh, the ones with the interior, um, hallways. So

644
00:45:02,211 --> 00:45:07,451
it's similar to the project in Queensborough. And was issued

645
00:45:07,472 --> 00:45:11,691
in 2018 for only a six month period of data

646
00:45:11,792 --> 00:45:19,751
collection. This brochure quote studies using data from as far

647
00:45:19,791 --> 00:45:26,833
back as 1974 and from New York City. At the

648
00:45:26,873 --> 00:45:31,313
February 23rd Council meeting and again, not and again at

649
00:45:31,313 --> 00:45:35,953
the March 5th small group InfoSessions, DC Housing stated that

650
00:45:35,974 --> 00:45:39,473
the data from Victoria was being compiled and would be

651
00:45:39,654 --> 00:45:44,033
shared. Five months later, no information has been shared with

652
00:45:44,073 --> 00:45:49,001
our community. In March of this year, I submitted a

653
00:45:49,041 --> 00:45:53,081
freedom of information request to BC Housing for data on

654
00:45:53,182 --> 00:45:56,988
the Victoria Tiny Village. I asked for nine categories of

655
00:45:57,169 --> 00:46:00,428
information and was told that half of the data was

656
00:46:00,449 --> 00:46:05,896
not available because the operator owns the data. BC housing

657
00:46:06,157 --> 00:46:09,336
and I finally arrived that seven categories, they could supply

658
00:46:10,397 --> 00:46:14,296
for which I paid 115 dollars for 18 data plants.

659
00:46:15,535 --> 00:46:19,381
Delivery took six weeks. So this is a costly and

660
00:46:19,421 --> 00:46:25,189
lengthy process for individuals. You stated during the February 23rd

661
00:46:25,229 --> 00:46:29,349
Council meeting that you believe this transitional housing village will

662
00:46:29,370 --> 00:46:32,869
be a success because useful to the mayors of Kelowna

663
00:46:32,869 --> 00:46:37,576
and Duncan about the successes in their cities. The operator

664
00:46:37,616 --> 00:46:40,696
for Duncan had offered to send us information but did

665
00:46:40,696 --> 00:46:45,353
not follow through. You offered to share the data provided

666
00:46:45,374 --> 00:46:49,788
to you. By BC Housing and the housing operators that

667
00:46:49,828 --> 00:46:53,468
helped convince you that this isn't a good project. It

668
00:46:53,489 --> 00:46:59,034
is this information that I am asking for. I am

669
00:46:59,074 --> 00:47:02,874
really disappointed that the concerns we raise have been repeatedly

670
00:47:03,055 --> 00:47:09,496
discounted as residents spread misinformation. Yet no information is shared.

671
00:47:09,496 --> 00:47:13,896
Only verbal reassurances that tiny villages are a successful model.

672
00:47:14,290 --> 00:47:18,669
So please share the information you have from other jurisdictions.

673
00:47:19,997 --> 00:47:24,216
I thank Councillor Campbell for our SVPing to our invitation

674
00:47:24,557 --> 00:47:30,463
promptly. I was disappointed that councillors McAvoy, Nakagawa and Henderson

675
00:47:30,724 --> 00:47:36,538
did not RSVP. At the February 23rd Council meeting, Councillor

676
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:40,858
Henderson stated that she spoke with councillors in Victoria and

677
00:47:40,959 --> 00:47:44,858
Duncan and was given a positive impression. I therefore ask

678
00:47:45,759 --> 00:47:49,018
Councillor Henderson, would you be willing to share the information

679
00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:53,578
you obtained from your counterparts that helped you decide to

680
00:47:53,618 --> 00:47:58,631
support this project. This project is part of the crisis

681
00:47:58,812 --> 00:48:03,578
response pilot project. Meaning it's a test to determine whether

682
00:48:03,759 --> 00:48:08,155
to expand this type of housing. Before this experiment on

683
00:48:08,336 --> 00:48:14,155
village tenants, industrial workers and neighbours begins, we would like

684
00:48:14,155 --> 00:48:18,555
to see how the data from other jurisdictions supports that

685
00:48:18,555 --> 00:48:22,715
this will be a successful project here in the Westminster.

686
00:48:23,807 --> 00:48:27,517
We look forward to getting the information from you. Thank

687
00:48:27,557 --> 00:48:34,725
you. Thank you. Thank you, Lori. Uh, Councillor Fontaine. Thank

688
00:48:34,725 --> 00:48:37,665
you, Mr. West. Thank you, Lori, for coming out. Uh,

689
00:48:39,626 --> 00:48:43,525
I believe did RSVP in time. Councilman has to hunt

690
00:48:43,546 --> 00:48:47,205
it. And, uh, do appreciate the cookies, the soft drinks

691
00:48:47,466 --> 00:48:50,365
and the conversation on site. It was really informative. So

692
00:48:50,365 --> 00:48:53,845
thanks for inviting me and for, um, uh, your hospitality

693
00:48:54,106 --> 00:48:56,805
and for the information that you provided on site. Could

694
00:48:56,805 --> 00:48:58,965
I just get some clarity then just so I'm clear

695
00:48:59,866 --> 00:49:03,365
because as if we move forward. So specifically what information

696
00:49:03,946 --> 00:49:06,405
are you seeking from counsel or from the mayor so

697
00:49:06,405 --> 00:49:08,325
that we, yeah, if you could just clarify that repeat

698
00:49:08,365 --> 00:49:10,645
that one more time just so hard. So during the

699
00:49:10,826 --> 00:49:15,045
tour, I explain to Mr. Mayor that I was having

700
00:49:15,146 --> 00:49:22,085
trouble accessing information. And, um, as he said, he, he

701
00:49:22,106 --> 00:49:25,845
has had the opportunity to speak with the, uh, his

702
00:49:25,946 --> 00:49:31,572
counterpart in Victoria. Duncan and Kelowna, um, and that there's

703
00:49:31,593 --> 00:49:36,132
information that, um, helped convince him that this is a

704
00:49:36,132 --> 00:49:39,212
good project. So he offered to share that information. So

705
00:49:39,212 --> 00:49:42,772
I don't know specifically what the information is, um, but

706
00:49:43,113 --> 00:49:47,252
that's what I'm asking for. And the clarification I was

707
00:49:47,273 --> 00:49:51,872
making was, uh, that he had also offered to, um,

708
00:49:52,553 --> 00:49:54,532
it sounds like to set up meetings so that we

709
00:49:54,572 --> 00:49:58,612
could speak to the other jurisdictions. And I was saying,

710
00:49:58,652 --> 00:50:05,652
Oh, I'd actually prefer the data than a verbal reassurance.

711
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:09,298
Okay. That's very clear. So I'll, um, obviously defer to

712
00:50:09,338 --> 00:50:10,978
the mayor to respond to you in terms of whether

713
00:50:11,079 --> 00:50:13,778
or not he's prepared to provide that. Are you also

714
00:50:13,879 --> 00:50:16,418
just to clarify, you're also seeking from Councillor Henderson the

715
00:50:16,418 --> 00:50:19,618
information she had obtained in terms of helping her to

716
00:50:19,658 --> 00:50:22,478
make a decision. I'm asking if she'd be willing, yes.

717
00:50:23,237 --> 00:50:25,376
Okay. So we'll put those are the two requests in

718
00:50:25,376 --> 00:50:27,696
terms of information. Thank you. And then I do have

719
00:50:27,797 --> 00:50:30,256
just one question for a staff. When we were on

720
00:50:30,517 --> 00:50:33,216
site, uh, there last week, I think it was last

721
00:50:33,317 --> 00:50:36,976
Wednesday. The trailers are there, but there doesn't seem to

722
00:50:36,976 --> 00:50:39,936
be a lot of activity. Can Steph give us with

723
00:50:39,936 --> 00:50:44,256
a quick update on when are we expecting, um, people

724
00:50:44,357 --> 00:50:48,256
to actually be moving in to this, uh, tiny home

725
00:50:48,296 --> 00:50:51,856
village. When would occupancy, because we were told earlier that

726
00:50:51,957 --> 00:50:54,096
this was on a fast track and that people would

727
00:50:54,117 --> 00:50:57,216
be moving in, I believe they said November or December,

728
00:50:57,216 --> 00:50:59,376
but there's not a lot of activity there today. So

729
00:50:59,477 --> 00:51:02,416
I'm just wondering if it has something paused or been

730
00:51:02,456 --> 00:51:08,663
stalled. We're not aware of. Director, or sorry, CAO. Thank

731
00:51:08,703 --> 00:51:12,103
you through the mayor. Uh, we're not aware of any

732
00:51:12,364 --> 00:51:15,223
pause or delay, but I will follow up with staff

733
00:51:15,244 --> 00:51:19,177
and we can get you that, uh, response. Okay. So

734
00:51:19,798 --> 00:51:22,577
it looks like we're on track for November. Yeah. I

735
00:51:22,577 --> 00:51:23,937
know that was a question that was posed to me

736
00:51:24,118 --> 00:51:26,637
as well on site in terms of whether or not

737
00:51:26,678 --> 00:51:28,817
that we're still on track, but we don't have the

738
00:51:28,857 --> 00:51:30,977
information. So we'll assume that we're still on track for

739
00:51:31,017 --> 00:51:32,737
November. So thanks so much for coming out. Thank you.

740
00:51:33,078 --> 00:51:38,705
Thanks Councillor Henderson. Hi, yes. Um, yes, I have spoken

741
00:51:38,806 --> 00:51:42,865
with both the mayor of Victoria and Duncan. And neither

742
00:51:42,966 --> 00:51:45,597
provided me. Like concrete data. I'm happy to share my

743
00:51:45,637 --> 00:51:47,757
notes from those meetings with you. But I think that

744
00:51:48,178 --> 00:51:51,437
it would actually be more efficient and productive for you

745
00:51:51,437 --> 00:51:53,677
to connect directly with both those mayors who have both

746
00:51:53,677 --> 00:51:56,237
offered to meet with whomever, um, would like to have

747
00:51:56,338 --> 00:51:58,077
a conversation. As I think then you can ask them

748
00:51:58,098 --> 00:52:01,837
the questions that, that you feel that you'd like answered.

749
00:52:01,837 --> 00:52:04,317
Um, so I'm happy to make that connection. Both mayor

750
00:52:04,357 --> 00:52:12,017
Alto and Nicole's. Michelle have offered that. So I'm happy

751
00:52:12,017 --> 00:52:15,197
to make that for you. And perhaps we could connect

752
00:52:15,778 --> 00:52:20,797
because I, you know this city. They don't. They know

753
00:52:20,837 --> 00:52:24,317
why it was a success in their city. Um, so,

754
00:52:24,357 --> 00:52:28,397
so trying to understand what it was about, what they're

755
00:52:28,437 --> 00:52:32,397
saying that you believe is transferable and therefore would make

756
00:52:32,578 --> 00:52:35,497
it successful here. So happy to have that conversation. Um,

757
00:52:35,618 --> 00:52:38,317
early on, I think in April, I met with the

758
00:52:38,338 --> 00:52:41,277
resident down on the site for 90 minutes or so

759
00:52:41,538 --> 00:52:43,677
and brought staff and did a tour. I was away

760
00:52:44,018 --> 00:52:47,757
when the, um, meeting happened, uh, on a family holiday,

761
00:52:47,757 --> 00:52:49,837
um, but can connect with you one - on -

762
00:52:49,837 --> 00:52:55,885
one. Wonderful. Thank you. Councillor Minas. Thank you, Mr. Ware.

763
00:52:56,243 --> 00:52:59,422
Uh, I want to thank you, Lori, for taking us

764
00:52:59,462 --> 00:53:03,543
on the tour for the dining village home. And the

765
00:53:03,583 --> 00:53:08,479
surrounding area. Those very informative thank you for that. I

766
00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:14,785
do have a question for the staff. Um. These are

767
00:53:14,825 --> 00:53:21,865
metal containers. And with the summer coming forward, um, are

768
00:53:21,966 --> 00:53:26,105
there steps being taken for air conditioning or anything like

769
00:53:26,145 --> 00:53:32,422
that? I don't know if CEO or the director of

770
00:53:32,422 --> 00:53:35,836
planning a development have the outside answer yet. Thank you

771
00:53:35,836 --> 00:53:39,356
for the question councillor and through the chair through the

772
00:53:39,537 --> 00:53:44,796
mayor. The exact specifications are BC housing standards. Um, we

773
00:53:45,057 --> 00:53:47,036
can certainly ask and get back to you. I'm sure

774
00:53:47,217 --> 00:53:50,136
the team here has had those conversations with them. Um,

775
00:53:50,417 --> 00:53:53,116
what I can't tell you is that certainly keeping in

776
00:53:53,156 --> 00:53:56,716
mind that, uh, folks who are living, uh, you know,

777
00:53:56,716 --> 00:53:59,516
in these conditions and the awareness of the heat and

778
00:53:59,556 --> 00:54:03,096
the temperatures is top of mind. So, but we can

779
00:54:03,096 --> 00:54:06,498
get back to you with some of the specifications. Thank

780
00:54:06,538 --> 00:54:11,538
you very much for that. Thank you. Thanks. Councillor Fontaine.

781
00:54:11,538 --> 00:54:13,218
Yeah. Just one quick follow up just to follow up

782
00:54:13,218 --> 00:54:17,618
to Councillor Minnhause's question. Perhaps in the response back, if,

783
00:54:17,658 --> 00:54:21,058
if staff could let counsel know whether the cooling bylaw,

784
00:54:21,058 --> 00:54:23,618
the new cooling bylaw that we just approved, does that

785
00:54:23,618 --> 00:54:27,218
apply to the tiny home village, meaning that as Councilman

786
00:54:27,319 --> 00:54:29,678
has said that they would all have to have, um,

787
00:54:29,959 --> 00:54:32,258
a place within the units to be able to cool

788
00:54:32,298 --> 00:54:34,658
down. So if that could be part of the response

789
00:54:34,679 --> 00:54:36,978
back from staff as to whether or not this particular

790
00:54:37,319 --> 00:54:40,658
site is exempt from that bylaw or if the bylaw

791
00:54:40,658 --> 00:54:43,178
applies and how it would apply to those. Because as

792
00:54:43,178 --> 00:54:47,218
Council Men has rightly noted, um, while the containers won't

793
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,618
be occupied until November, which is a cooler time of

794
00:54:49,618 --> 00:54:51,698
the year, if we were to go back into a

795
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,978
heat dome kind of scenario, those are fully exposed to

796
00:54:55,018 --> 00:54:58,498
the southern sunshine. And I can only imagine it would

797
00:54:58,498 --> 00:55:01,938
be, um, incredibly hot in those things. So I just

798
00:55:01,938 --> 00:55:04,898
want to be assured that there is at least some,

799
00:55:04,898 --> 00:55:07,858
uh, plan place from BC housing to ensure that those

800
00:55:07,959 --> 00:55:16,094
units are air conditioned. Uh, thank you. Thank you for

801
00:55:16,094 --> 00:55:19,294
your delegation, Lori. Um, thank you again for the meeting.

802
00:55:19,294 --> 00:55:22,654
Um, I just want to say, uh, I have not

803
00:55:22,654 --> 00:55:25,374
forgotten that the conversation we had or the, or the

804
00:55:25,414 --> 00:55:27,934
request to have some more concrete data around the other

805
00:55:28,035 --> 00:55:31,134
sites and how they measured success and what metrics they

806
00:55:31,134 --> 00:55:34,254
used for success. Um, I've already followed up our staff

807
00:55:34,294 --> 00:55:37,214
at Indogover Relations have already are following up with BC

808
00:55:37,254 --> 00:55:39,054
housing. And they're going to be connecting to those other

809
00:55:39,054 --> 00:55:40,414
partners. And we're going to, we're going to do our

810
00:55:40,414 --> 00:55:42,094
best to try to get that data for you. So

811
00:55:42,195 --> 00:55:44,734
I stand by that commitment too. We're going to, we're

812
00:55:44,734 --> 00:55:46,254
going to continue to ask that data and try to

813
00:55:46,254 --> 00:55:47,534
get it for you so that you can, you have

814
00:55:47,635 --> 00:55:50,654
some numbers in front of it. I recognise that you're

815
00:55:50,654 --> 00:55:53,454
more, you sorry, I shouldn't say you recognised. It sounded

816
00:55:53,494 --> 00:55:55,134
to me like you were more interested in those sort

817
00:55:55,134 --> 00:55:57,374
of numbers in that numerical stuff than the anecdotal data

818
00:55:57,875 --> 00:56:00,174
that I shared that the mayor has shared with me.

819
00:56:00,174 --> 00:56:01,214
So that's what we're going to try to get for

820
00:56:01,214 --> 00:56:08,086
you. Okay. Thank you. Our next delegate is Marion Djordjevik.

821
00:56:28,427 --> 00:56:33,424
Thanks. Everyone for attending tonight. Um, I have my notes

822
00:56:33,424 --> 00:56:42,250
here. Um. I would also like to start with. The

823
00:56:42,250 --> 00:56:47,599
thank you to the NWP for honouring our invitation. To

824
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:49,359
join us on a walk in our neighbourhood where the

825
00:56:49,399 --> 00:56:52,559
tiny home village will be placed and become their neighbourhood

826
00:56:52,740 --> 00:56:56,643
too, of the people being placed there. The answer at

827
00:56:56,683 --> 00:57:00,533
on time, they agreed on what we've agreed. They told

828
00:57:00,554 --> 00:57:03,413
us how many people are coming. And because no one

829
00:57:03,434 --> 00:57:07,970
from Community First agreed, we extended the invitation to. The

830
00:57:08,071 --> 00:57:13,178
US progressives. Candidate councillors 11 days later after the RSVP

831
00:57:13,279 --> 00:57:16,901
date. June 26, the mayor assistant email test with an

832
00:57:16,941 --> 00:57:21,273
eight hours, 18 hours notice. That the mayor is coming

833
00:57:22,014 --> 00:57:25,623
too. Which we understand was most likely because of the

834
00:57:25,724 --> 00:57:28,743
backlash on Facebook that no one from Community First is

835
00:57:28,764 --> 00:57:32,845
interested in all of these. Despite the fact that many

836
00:57:32,885 --> 00:57:36,525
of the councillors and city staff involved in this have

837
00:57:36,565 --> 00:57:40,090
already told us. They have not been on site, which

838
00:57:40,090 --> 00:57:42,250
is why the whole invitation happened in the first place.

839
00:57:43,386 --> 00:57:47,125
No one from Community First Councillors asked questions. Well, we've

840
00:57:47,125 --> 00:57:52,593
been here. Asking them in terms of finding resolution and

841
00:57:52,614 --> 00:57:56,113
only when they see a liability coming back at them,

842
00:57:56,113 --> 00:57:59,913
like the environmental assessment that came last time. For which

843
00:57:59,913 --> 00:58:04,703
we didn't receive any document either. Came up a concern.

844
00:58:04,703 --> 00:58:07,343
Only newest progressive councillors were asking questions in which they

845
00:58:07,383 --> 00:58:11,595
were trying to put some meaning into this madness. Well,

846
00:58:14,016 --> 00:58:18,075
who approved this will have a liability ultimately if this

847
00:58:18,096 --> 00:58:24,053
happens. A liability on your consciousness when these people being.

848
00:58:25,179 --> 00:58:29,398
Not able to judge what they're doing at certain point.

849
00:58:29,579 --> 00:58:33,105
We'll die either on this tracks. Because of no fence.

850
00:58:34,388 --> 00:58:36,847
On an active crossing with no any sort of protection.

851
00:58:38,693 --> 00:58:40,832
Or getting on the cranes, falling off of the cranes.

852
00:58:42,959 --> 00:58:47,418
Creating an encampment where there is no any homeless people.

853
00:58:47,439 --> 00:58:51,178
Using a program from BC Housing where in fact there

854
00:58:51,178 --> 00:58:55,660
is no encampment. There's been one to two people coming

855
00:58:55,921 --> 00:58:58,693
and going. Out of which one of them created the

856
00:58:58,954 --> 00:59:01,093
fire under the bridge and no one is there now

857
00:59:01,434 --> 00:59:04,925
after the cleanup. We know this because we know these

858
00:59:04,965 --> 00:59:08,957
people, we live there. We've seen them many times. You

859
00:59:08,997 --> 00:59:12,126
will create this encampment now. With many of them putting

860
00:59:12,147 --> 00:59:14,686
up their tents on the ministry lands around as we've

861
00:59:14,686 --> 00:59:17,086
pointed out on the walk where the city can do

862
00:59:17,126 --> 00:59:21,977
anything about it. The mayor did clearly stated on the

863
00:59:22,078 --> 00:59:25,052
walk. Many times that he will be happy to have

864
00:59:25,153 --> 00:59:28,732
these people in his home and help them anyway he

865
00:59:28,732 --> 00:59:31,962
can. So here is an opportunity Mr. Mayor. We can

866
00:59:31,962 --> 00:59:34,682
easily recognise these two individuals and happy to bring them

867
00:59:34,722 --> 00:59:38,140
over and you can let us when you're ready. But

868
00:59:38,161 --> 00:59:42,660
when I asked if any of the councillors talked to

869
00:59:42,660 --> 00:59:45,980
the homeless people, no one said they've talked to them.

870
00:59:46,020 --> 00:59:48,460
I've talked to them on many occasions to get her

871
00:59:48,460 --> 00:59:52,300
with my wife and at my workplace whenever they end

872
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:56,169
up in a tent around her. All of them ended

873
00:59:56,190 --> 00:59:59,617
up on the street from many different reasons. So many

874
00:59:59,958 --> 01:00:04,577
personal stories. Most of them are even aware they gained

875
01:00:04,918 --> 01:00:09,515
mental challenges throughout the years. Many of them stated they

876
01:00:09,555 --> 01:00:13,675
do not even want to go in a shelter or

877
01:00:13,856 --> 01:00:16,395
of these types of housing that doesn't give them any

878
01:00:16,416 --> 01:00:20,475
support, help, engagement, mental health service, councillors to work with

879
01:00:20,515 --> 01:00:24,679
them. No one is even protecting us from the drug

880
01:00:24,700 --> 01:00:32,482
dealers, they said. The girls clearly stated in anger. Do

881
01:00:32,522 --> 01:00:36,284
you know how many times we've been abused. And our

882
01:00:36,324 --> 01:00:39,324
friends being bitten by the drug dealers entering this type

883
01:00:39,324 --> 01:00:43,921
of housing. No one being able to stop them. So

884
01:00:43,942 --> 01:00:50,896
I have not. Heard of anyone saying we need less

885
01:00:50,936 --> 01:00:56,343
housing. For the homeless. But what most of the people

886
01:00:56,604 --> 01:00:58,903
in the US have been stating is that this is

887
01:00:58,924 --> 01:01:02,883
wrong. It's a wrong approach. These people need housing that

888
01:01:02,984 --> 01:01:07,079
will help them to stand up on their feet. Not

889
01:01:07,079 --> 01:01:10,667
too easily supply them with more heavy drugs. How is

890
01:01:10,667 --> 01:01:13,871
that going to help them really. There is many different

891
01:01:13,972 --> 01:01:17,231
types of housing throughout Newest addressing many different groups of

892
01:01:17,252 --> 01:01:21,631
people who faced home abuse. So there is women's housing

893
01:01:21,652 --> 01:01:27,071
society, young mothers coming out of adolescence with kids not

894
01:01:27,111 --> 01:01:29,654
being able to pay for housing. And the risk housing

895
01:01:29,694 --> 01:01:31,894
for people who are also on the path to come

896
01:01:31,995 --> 01:01:35,795
off drugs and recovery. Why all of a sudden the

897
01:01:35,896 --> 01:01:40,595
council is approving a site where any addiction, including heavy

898
01:01:40,595 --> 01:01:47,119
drugs or alcohol are allowed for use. The support that

899
01:01:47,140 --> 01:01:52,799
BC housing many times all of these been stated, the

900
01:01:52,820 --> 01:01:55,359
support that BC Housing was stating that's going to be

901
01:01:55,359 --> 01:02:01,661
there. And the city staff too. We're referring to their

902
01:02:01,661 --> 01:02:07,188
only guards. BC housing on March 19th, we asked them

903
01:02:07,228 --> 01:02:09,748
so many questions and they couldn't get away with it

904
01:02:09,788 --> 01:02:12,148
anymore. And they said, no, they'll be guards. They need

905
01:02:12,329 --> 01:02:15,946
to call and I state exactly what they said. The

906
01:02:16,207 --> 01:02:19,786
guards will call police fire department for ambulance in case

907
01:02:19,826 --> 01:02:23,109
there is a fight, fire, or stabbing. When there is

908
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:27,109
a life - threatening moment. BC housing admittedly to us.

909
01:02:29,401 --> 01:02:35,021
They're not support. It's using words giving completely different meaning.

910
01:02:37,373 --> 01:02:39,992
None of the documents, by the way, as Lori mentioned

911
01:02:40,333 --> 01:02:43,432
too, we've asked so far since March 30th since we've

912
01:02:43,432 --> 01:02:47,832
been coming have been provided. Where is the data of

913
01:02:47,872 --> 01:02:53,711
all those success cities that have similar housing. And you're

914
01:02:53,711 --> 01:02:57,433
keep on telling us about. It's basically, oh, I've talked

915
01:02:57,433 --> 01:03:01,113
to this person. He said it's great. That restaurant here,

916
01:03:01,113 --> 01:03:04,553
maybe I have a different experience about the, I mean,

917
01:03:04,574 --> 01:03:07,353
none of this makes, we don't have clear data. None

918
01:03:07,353 --> 01:03:12,793
of this breaking your app five minutes is up. Based

919
01:03:12,833 --> 01:03:19,913
on what, on March 30th, and I was not provided

920
01:03:20,014 --> 01:03:24,233
by any document based on which data was put in

921
01:03:25,134 --> 01:03:28,153
a vote for this to go through. Can you, can

922
01:03:28,193 --> 01:03:31,524
anyone tell me. There was no data provided of any

923
01:03:31,524 --> 01:03:35,579
of these sites. In a country, all of the other

924
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,739
sides that no one mentioned about, they have all bad

925
01:03:39,779 --> 01:03:43,266
data about this. So how come up that all of

926
01:03:43,287 --> 01:03:48,226
these are success stories based on a hearsay. He told

927
01:03:48,266 --> 01:03:51,106
me, she told me, I mean, this is how a

928
01:03:51,146 --> 01:03:53,106
decision was made for this to be put in there

929
01:03:53,927 --> 01:03:58,785
without any other sort of consideration. And now we're hearing

930
01:03:58,825 --> 01:04:01,825
that a shuttle, right, for the tiny home village will

931
01:04:01,825 --> 01:04:05,345
be there to go downtown when they have a need.

932
01:04:05,606 --> 01:04:07,665
I'm asking you to swim up pretty quick here. You're

933
01:04:07,665 --> 01:04:10,705
five minutes around. Trying to recap everything we've talked on

934
01:04:10,705 --> 01:04:13,585
the walk, which it was hour and a half and

935
01:04:13,585 --> 01:04:17,903
it was long, right? In the same time on the

936
01:04:17,903 --> 01:04:22,063
weekend, last door society had an event where they present

937
01:04:22,324 --> 01:04:27,013
a case. Or cases, if you will. A success stories

938
01:04:27,114 --> 01:04:32,513
where people have been approached on a right way. And

939
01:04:32,513 --> 01:04:35,093
how is that supposed to be done instead of feeding

940
01:04:35,194 --> 01:04:38,613
someone who has a cigarette addiction and you're putting CR

941
01:04:38,613 --> 01:04:40,213
at in front of him, testing him is he's going

942
01:04:40,213 --> 01:04:44,858
to take the cigaretter. It doesn't make any sense. So.

943
01:04:46,524 --> 01:04:51,143
I will eventually have to use the petition that I've

944
01:04:51,164 --> 01:04:57,063
started and get her 2000 votes. And. Explain the people

945
01:04:57,164 --> 01:05:01,943
there that we're going to have to vote in this

946
01:05:01,983 --> 01:05:07,463
city for the people who are listening to the voice

947
01:05:07,644 --> 01:05:12,446
of the residents. And obviously in this case, that's not

948
01:05:12,567 --> 01:05:15,346
going to be community first. It'll have to be progressive.

949
01:05:15,367 --> 01:05:16,466
Thank you, Ms. I'm going to have to ask you

950
01:05:16,466 --> 01:05:18,226
to wrap up now. You're all pastor five minutes. Thanks.

951
01:05:18,407 --> 01:05:27,015
We were approached. And we were given. Please, Mr. Dirturch,

952
01:05:27,055 --> 01:05:28,775
you've well passed your five minutes. They've given you lots

953
01:05:28,775 --> 01:05:32,775
of time, lots of action. I understand. Thanks. Um, okay.

954
01:05:33,116 --> 01:05:39,637
In terms of transparency, Mr. Djordjewicz, please. Last sentence. Last

955
01:05:39,658 --> 01:05:44,197
sentence. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. In terms of transparency,

956
01:05:44,197 --> 01:05:52,898
including the residents from River Drive. All of those who've

957
01:05:52,898 --> 01:05:56,970
commented on Facebook. Based on the walk we had last

958
01:05:57,010 --> 01:06:01,450
week, all of them told me that they've been disconnected

959
01:06:01,551 --> 01:06:07,898
from them putting any further comments. They've been disconnected of

960
01:06:07,938 --> 01:06:11,258
the Facebook page. So what I'm trying to say is.

961
01:06:12,176 --> 01:06:16,765
We are supposed to have different views. And we need

962
01:06:16,765 --> 01:06:20,605
to have a mayor for every resident in the city.

963
01:06:20,605 --> 01:06:25,725
Thank you, Mr. Only give credit to the mayor. Thank

964
01:06:25,725 --> 01:06:29,485
you very much. Thanks. Thank you. Okay. Councillor Campbell? Sure.

965
01:06:29,485 --> 01:06:31,965
I just thank you for coming today. And I know

966
01:06:31,965 --> 01:06:34,585
that this isn't your first time. So hopefully, you know,

967
01:06:34,866 --> 01:06:39,645
you recognise that the, there are, um, processes in the

968
01:06:39,685 --> 01:06:43,085
city. You may not agree with them. Um, but here

969
01:06:43,125 --> 01:06:46,285
we are. Right. And one of them is recognising that

970
01:06:46,325 --> 01:06:49,085
we have 10 delegates. And so the time restriction is

971
01:06:49,085 --> 01:06:52,525
five minutes. So thank you for stopping so imposing so

972
01:06:52,525 --> 01:06:55,005
we can continue the meeting. What I want to share

973
01:06:55,266 --> 01:06:59,805
are two things. Um, one is, and they're both specifically

974
01:07:00,226 --> 01:07:04,041
addressing some of the assumptions you have made. So one

975
01:07:04,062 --> 01:07:07,401
assumption is that by not showing up that we don't

976
01:07:07,502 --> 01:07:11,001
care. So let me very clear. I do care. I

977
01:07:11,022 --> 01:07:14,201
also have another part - time job and family and

978
01:07:14,201 --> 01:07:18,921
other commitments. And as Lori mentioned, I did acknowledge that

979
01:07:18,961 --> 01:07:21,401
I wasn't able to attend. That doesn't mean I'm not

980
01:07:21,662 --> 01:07:25,381
interested. It just means that I do have other, I'm

981
01:07:25,381 --> 01:07:28,801
not accepting comments at this time. Um, what I am

982
01:07:28,801 --> 01:07:33,401
sharing is that the assumption that we are not interested,

983
01:07:33,401 --> 01:07:35,721
I don't take that personally. What I do fear is

984
01:07:35,902 --> 01:07:38,841
that other people who want to run for office that

985
01:07:38,942 --> 01:07:41,561
want to be in the community, um, we have to

986
01:07:41,822 --> 01:07:45,481
recognise that many of us have other commitments. So please

987
01:07:45,521 --> 01:07:48,161
don't assume that if we don't attend or if we

988
01:07:48,161 --> 01:07:51,721
don't engage, that doesn't mean that we're not interest interested.

989
01:07:51,721 --> 01:07:54,521
The other part, I'm not finished, is that we are

990
01:07:54,561 --> 01:07:58,041
not asking questions. Let me be very clear. I ask

991
01:07:58,302 --> 01:08:02,521
questions from people who have subject matter expertise. I also

992
01:08:03,182 --> 01:08:06,601
ensure that I hear the answers. What I do want

993
01:08:06,601 --> 01:08:09,241
to do is address the fact that we are open

994
01:08:09,342 --> 01:08:13,161
to hearing comments, which is why we've really encouraged staff

995
01:08:13,342 --> 01:08:17,241
to reach out and to engage. And the BC housing

996
01:08:18,062 --> 01:08:21,801
session occurred. And we have been working through staff to

997
01:08:21,801 --> 01:08:24,681
make sure that information is there. What I will share

998
01:08:24,782 --> 01:08:28,121
is that there's an assumption sometimes that because, uh, because

999
01:08:28,161 --> 01:08:30,521
some of those are not on Facebook or social media

1000
01:08:30,782 --> 01:08:33,561
all the time that we are not listening. We are

1001
01:08:33,601 --> 01:08:37,361
listening. Um, so I just want to address these. I

1002
01:08:37,361 --> 01:08:40,681
am present. I am paying attention. I just can't attend

1003
01:08:40,681 --> 01:08:43,561
everything. And that's the case for many of us because

1004
01:08:43,561 --> 01:08:47,061
we have other jobs and we have other responsibilities. But

1005
01:08:47,061 --> 01:08:49,321
I was on the police board before. I was elected

1006
01:08:49,342 --> 01:08:52,201
here. I'm aware of that site. And I've been reading

1007
01:08:52,241 --> 01:08:55,401
all the reports thoroughly and all the information. So I

1008
01:08:55,441 --> 01:08:58,841
am informed and interested. And again, I'll just end with

1009
01:08:59,102 --> 01:09:02,441
seeing the assumption that I am, um, not asking questions

1010
01:09:03,022 --> 01:09:06,361
is untrue. I am, but I'm asking them of the

1011
01:09:06,361 --> 01:09:10,321
people who have the experience and the subject information. So

1012
01:09:10,321 --> 01:09:12,601
I'm not accepting questions. I just wanted to address those

1013
01:09:12,862 --> 01:09:17,333
assumptions. Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Fontaine. Thank you so

1014
01:09:17,333 --> 01:09:20,173
much for coming out this evening. Um, I'm going to

1015
01:09:20,173 --> 01:09:23,173
use my limited time not to lecture you. I'm going

1016
01:09:23,173 --> 01:09:25,653
to actually use my time to take some of the

1017
01:09:25,754 --> 01:09:29,493
questions that you posed this evening and try to phrase

1018
01:09:29,493 --> 01:09:31,013
those to staff to try to provide you with some

1019
01:09:31,114 --> 01:09:34,613
response. So my first question to staff, and it does

1020
01:09:34,613 --> 01:09:36,933
pertain to one of the questions that was raised in

1021
01:09:36,933 --> 01:09:40,453
the delegation around the materials that, uh, counsel was provided

1022
01:09:40,714 --> 01:09:44,613
in relation to this project. Now that the project is

1023
01:09:44,794 --> 01:09:49,093
no longer, um, and in camera item or something that's

1024
01:09:49,093 --> 01:09:51,733
to be discussed behind closed doors. I'm wondering if staff

1025
01:09:51,754 --> 01:09:56,773
can advise the public if the materials that counsel was

1026
01:09:57,354 --> 01:10:00,613
provided can be made available to the public now that

1027
01:10:00,613 --> 01:10:04,293
this is no longer an item that, um, would be

1028
01:10:04,333 --> 01:10:07,212
done in camera. What would be the procedure to have

1029
01:10:07,233 --> 01:10:14,211
that information. Uh, provided to the public. I would assume

1030
01:10:14,312 --> 01:10:17,811
that we had an open council report about this project

1031
01:10:18,232 --> 01:10:21,411
that came to us during a presentation from VC housing.

1032
01:10:21,411 --> 01:10:23,811
We had an open council report about this at how

1033
01:10:23,811 --> 01:10:26,211
the data, it had the data. That would be my

1034
01:10:26,232 --> 01:10:29,771
response to have another with due respect. Mr. Mayor, I

1035
01:10:29,771 --> 01:10:31,811
think I posed the question through you to the city

1036
01:10:31,851 --> 01:10:41,347
manager or to other staff. Sorry. Thank you,

1037
01:10:41,347 --> 01:10:44,547
Councillor. And through the mayor, um, I'm unaware of any

1038
01:10:44,547 --> 01:10:47,667
information that may have been in camera that hasn't been

1039
01:10:47,688 --> 01:10:51,027
brought up, but I'm happy to, um, discuss that in

1040
01:10:51,067 --> 01:10:54,147
a different venue. Um, but certainly staff would brought forward

1041
01:10:54,488 --> 01:10:57,747
all of the information that we're allowed to bring forward,

1042
01:10:57,747 --> 01:10:59,907
uh, and required to bring forward as well. There's an

1043
01:10:59,928 --> 01:11:03,267
FAQ on BC housing's website as well as on our

1044
01:11:03,307 --> 01:11:05,987
website that speak to a lot of the things that

1045
01:11:06,088 --> 01:11:10,409
have been talked about tonight. Okay. Just to clarify then

1046
01:11:10,590 --> 01:11:13,849
if the delegate requests the infer, if they're, if the

1047
01:11:13,849 --> 01:11:17,769
delegate requests information that was provided to counsel regarding this

1048
01:11:17,870 --> 01:11:22,169
particular project, would the delegate be permitted to receive that

1049
01:11:22,190 --> 01:11:24,329
information or would they have to put it through an

1050
01:11:24,369 --> 01:11:31,678
FOI to receive the information. I think I believe that,

1051
01:11:31,678 --> 01:11:34,718
um, I mean, there are two ways. One through the

1052
01:11:34,758 --> 01:11:39,758
mayor, of course, NFOI is always available to the delegate.

1053
01:11:39,758 --> 01:11:43,358
Most of the information would be on our website and

1054
01:11:43,358 --> 01:11:47,518
in our minutes and available through the FAQs. And if

1055
01:11:47,558 --> 01:11:50,238
anything, we are trying to do our best to overcommunicate

1056
01:11:50,339 --> 01:11:54,158
on this topic as well as encouraging BC Housing to

1057
01:11:54,259 --> 01:11:57,998
Communicate their part on this topic because they own the

1058
01:11:58,038 --> 01:12:00,664
majority of the information. Okay. I was just trying to

1059
01:12:00,664 --> 01:12:02,704
get clarity for the public that if they do wish

1060
01:12:02,965 --> 01:12:05,984
to receive that information, uh, it would appear that there

1061
01:12:05,984 --> 01:12:08,584
might be an avenue for you to receive that. My

1062
01:12:08,584 --> 01:12:11,504
second question just pertains to the bus transportation. I did

1063
01:12:11,504 --> 01:12:13,024
hear that on the tour and then I did hear

1064
01:12:13,064 --> 01:12:16,224
it again this evening. Our staff aware of a bus

1065
01:12:17,285 --> 01:12:20,544
or some kind of transportation shuttle bus between the tiny

1066
01:12:20,584 --> 01:12:22,784
home village in downtown. Is that I keep hearing this

1067
01:12:22,805 --> 01:12:26,224
coming up. Are we aware that BC housing is organising

1068
01:12:27,205 --> 01:12:30,064
a formal transportation system? Cause I know that the people

1069
01:12:30,165 --> 01:12:32,784
of Queensborough have been talking about a bus school bus

1070
01:12:33,125 --> 01:12:35,184
for the Queen Sparrows. I'm just wondering if there is

1071
01:12:35,224 --> 01:12:38,304
a bus being planned from the tiny village to downtown.

1072
01:12:41,012 --> 01:12:45,206
CEO. Uh, thank you for the question through the mayor.

1073
01:12:45,206 --> 01:12:48,086
Um, these things are still being worked out from what

1074
01:12:48,086 --> 01:12:51,926
I understand with BC housing, uh, including all of the

1075
01:12:51,926 --> 01:12:56,726
safety measures. Um, I'm not fully aware of timing for

1076
01:12:57,307 --> 01:12:59,686
a bus or if that's confirmed, but certainly there was

1077
01:12:59,726 --> 01:13:03,088
discussion about that. And we can, we can follow up.

1078
01:13:03,109 --> 01:13:06,448
So we're a potential where but not, nothing's been confirmed.

1079
01:13:06,448 --> 01:13:09,408
Okay. If I may, because the, uh, operator hasn't been

1080
01:13:09,429 --> 01:13:12,428
decided on yet, but we will have city staff, um,

1081
01:13:12,789 --> 01:13:16,928
engaged in that discussion and giving the city's perspective and

1082
01:13:16,928 --> 01:13:19,408
advice on, uh, how to move forward with that. With

1083
01:13:19,408 --> 01:13:21,808
a shuttle. Okay. Thank you. And then just to follow

1084
01:13:21,808 --> 01:13:24,048
up and the three of you, Mr. Mayor, to the

1085
01:13:24,088 --> 01:13:26,368
CEO, I have asked this question in the past month

1086
01:13:26,389 --> 01:13:29,248
or so. So I'll ask it again. Um, we did

1087
01:13:29,829 --> 01:13:32,768
request a meeting with BC housing, an open meeting with

1088
01:13:32,789 --> 01:13:36,768
the Rail Companies. And I'm wondering, um, if there's any

1089
01:13:36,789 --> 01:13:38,928
update from BC housing, it's been, I think, a couple

1090
01:13:38,928 --> 01:13:41,248
months since that's happened. And I don't think any meeting

1091
01:13:41,269 --> 01:13:44,208
has taken place that I'm aware of anyways. But perhaps.

1092
01:13:45,065 --> 01:13:48,244
If staff can update the publican council as to what

1093
01:13:48,284 --> 01:13:50,404
the status is on this public meeting with the real

1094
01:13:50,444 --> 01:13:56,668
companies, I'm assuming the residents and counsel. Through the mayor,

1095
01:13:56,668 --> 01:13:59,708
I have not heard any confirmation on any public meeting

1096
01:14:00,929 --> 01:14:03,948
and BC housing, as I said before, would be taking

1097
01:14:04,129 --> 01:14:07,308
the lead on that particular item. Okay. So we haven't

1098
01:14:07,329 --> 01:14:11,708
heard back from BC housing. Last question is, um, again,

1099
01:14:11,708 --> 01:14:14,988
from what I heard, I think believe tonight and also

1100
01:14:14,988 --> 01:14:17,708
what I saw or heard on site was around the

1101
01:14:17,748 --> 01:14:20,828
amount of refuse that the Ministry of Transportation allowed to

1102
01:14:21,649 --> 01:14:24,948
accumulate on their property. Do we have any assurance? As

1103
01:14:24,948 --> 01:14:26,348
I know it's been clean now, but do we have

1104
01:14:26,388 --> 01:14:29,228
any assurances from the Ministry of Transportation? They won't let

1105
01:14:29,249 --> 01:14:33,308
it get to the same state that it was in

1106
01:14:33,969 --> 01:14:37,068
that their residents were living in prior to that. Cause

1107
01:14:37,068 --> 01:14:39,388
I knew it was well documented. I think Councillor Minn

1108
01:14:39,388 --> 01:14:41,228
has went down. It was in the media that this

1109
01:14:41,228 --> 01:14:43,788
was there. I'm glad to see it's been cleaned up.

1110
01:14:43,788 --> 01:14:45,548
But I just don't want it to go back to

1111
01:14:45,569 --> 01:14:47,868
the same scenario two, three, four months. We're now joining

1112
01:14:47,889 --> 01:14:51,868
if we have any assurances from them. So thank you.

1113
01:14:51,868 --> 01:14:53,788
Uh, the structure and system we have in place through

1114
01:14:53,788 --> 01:14:57,628
the crisis response pilot project has worked well by identifying

1115
01:14:57,649 --> 01:15:01,848
these things. Um, and then communicating among city staff. And

1116
01:15:01,848 --> 01:15:05,128
when it's our responsibility, we can then action it. And

1117
01:15:05,128 --> 01:15:09,068
when it's not on our property or not our responsibility,

1118
01:15:09,068 --> 01:15:12,668
we have contacts direct contacts, whether it's with the rail

1119
01:15:12,689 --> 01:15:16,788
or with transportation in other means we are able to

1120
01:15:16,849 --> 01:15:20,668
reach out directly. And then understanding that this is not

1121
01:15:20,689 --> 01:15:25,554
something that anybody wants to leave unattended. Okay. Thank you.

1122
01:15:25,975 --> 01:15:28,434
Thank you very much for your delegation. Okay. Thank you

1123
01:15:28,775 --> 01:15:34,087
Councillor Minhouse. Thank you Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Marshal, for

1124
01:15:34,087 --> 01:15:36,807
coming down. I appreciate that. I have a question for

1125
01:15:37,068 --> 01:15:41,746
the staff, you for this year. Um. Last week I

1126
01:15:41,746 --> 01:15:43,666
know it's a little bit different here. Um, but just

1127
01:15:44,807 --> 01:15:48,626
wanted to, uh, understand something here. Last week, I believe

1128
01:15:48,887 --> 01:15:53,966
it was Dr. Anne that came from Douglas College. And

1129
01:15:53,966 --> 01:15:57,826
she said that the information was the independent information was

1130
01:15:57,826 --> 01:16:01,986
provided by this city. Now I'm just wondering and curious

1131
01:16:02,487 --> 01:16:07,586
if the information that has been provided to BC housing.

1132
01:16:07,586 --> 01:16:13,862
Was that from the city. True's married. Sorry. I'm not

1133
01:16:13,862 --> 01:16:18,342
sure which information in particular? Uh, just about the tiny

1134
01:16:18,382 --> 01:16:22,262
village home in regards to that. Was all the information

1135
01:16:22,923 --> 01:16:26,865
passed from the city. Two BC housing or was it

1136
01:16:27,046 --> 01:16:31,665
an independent study of BC housing wanting to set up,

1137
01:16:31,665 --> 01:16:40,138
uh, small tiny village home. There. Yeah. I can sort

1138
01:16:40,138 --> 01:16:45,098
of see through the mayor, um, this was a BC

1139
01:16:45,138 --> 01:16:50,298
housing decision. It's their mandate. And certainly we obviously have

1140
01:16:50,338 --> 01:16:54,858
a housing, you know, focus and mandate. But BC Housing

1141
01:16:54,879 --> 01:16:58,858
determines where, um, on what properties and how they're going

1142
01:16:58,858 --> 01:17:02,698
to go about managing those properties. We play a supportive

1143
01:17:02,738 --> 01:17:09,062
role in that. Thank you for that. Thank you. Thank

1144
01:17:09,163 --> 01:17:15,668
you. Thank you. Mr. Rutger. Delegation. Uh, now we have

1145
01:17:15,689 --> 01:17:20,228
two delegations who first is Pat Musey. Is I believe

1146
01:17:20,268 --> 01:17:20,628
you're now.

1147
01:17:34,816 --> 01:17:39,042
What I've come here to talk about is traffic. With

1148
01:17:39,042 --> 01:17:42,865
the geographical centre of the valley. And we have two

1149
01:17:42,886 --> 01:17:46,065
major bridges within our borders. And we're not dealing with

1150
01:17:46,246 --> 01:17:49,972
traffic. We just built a six lane bridge, turned it

1151
01:17:50,012 --> 01:17:54,111
into a four lane bridge. And at the top, a

1152
01:17:54,172 --> 01:17:58,654
10th in McBride, the right of way. That goes through,

1153
01:17:58,654 --> 01:18:03,225
it's a provincial government right away. It still exists. It

1154
01:18:03,225 --> 01:18:08,256
goes through. And comes out near the Mounty station. On

1155
01:18:08,296 --> 01:18:15,173
number one highway. And right now. Vernaby is building on

1156
01:18:15,173 --> 01:18:18,453
that right away. Has that right away been done away

1157
01:18:18,493 --> 01:18:21,872
with. And why are we not, you don't even have

1158
01:18:21,912 --> 01:18:25,392
to put an overhead to it. A hundred feet, 150

1159
01:18:25,432 --> 01:18:27,312
feet, you make a cut and go through that little

1160
01:18:27,653 --> 01:18:31,523
bluff hot tent. And turn it into a four -

1161
01:18:31,523 --> 01:18:35,624
way intersection. And get rid of one half of the

1162
01:18:35,624 --> 01:18:39,403
traffic that runs through New West. Why aren't we doing

1163
01:18:39,424 --> 01:18:45,250
that. Is that right away still exists? Does anyone know.

1164
01:18:48,695 --> 01:18:52,892
As I know, it's on the maps. And we should

1165
01:18:52,913 --> 01:18:56,652
be demanding that the provincial government used that right away.

1166
01:18:56,652 --> 01:18:59,212
It'll take 50 percent of the traffic out of New

1167
01:18:59,233 --> 01:19:02,921
West. And the other thing is storage them way. You've

1168
01:19:03,102 --> 01:19:06,990
got to deal with it. Coming down through the city.

1169
01:19:06,990 --> 01:19:10,554
That's a highway. I discovered that this week. That that's

1170
01:19:10,554 --> 01:19:16,473
a highway. Provincial Government Highway. And it comes off the

1171
01:19:16,974 --> 01:19:20,931
Queen Sparrow. They're going to replace the Queensborough. What are

1172
01:19:20,931 --> 01:19:23,247
you going to do with it? Are you going to

1173
01:19:24,108 --> 01:19:30,807
traffic has to either go overhead. Underground. Or be dealt

1174
01:19:30,847 --> 01:19:34,967
with on roads that are only for the traffic passing

1175
01:19:35,007 --> 01:19:38,695
throws? How you go walking in Safford and Park. Every

1176
01:19:38,735 --> 01:19:41,974
morning. And the amount of transfer trucks that come through

1177
01:19:41,995 --> 01:19:45,494
that route, they're coming up from the American border, across

1178
01:19:45,494 --> 01:19:49,014
the Greensboro and down and out and out the Fraser

1179
01:19:49,035 --> 01:19:54,867
Valley. And there's hundreds of them. More than that. And

1180
01:19:55,368 --> 01:19:58,387
it's steady traffic all week long. And they're on the

1181
01:19:58,387 --> 01:20:02,773
weekend too. You're not dealing with traffic in this city

1182
01:20:02,954 --> 01:20:07,493
properly. And Byrne B is building on that right away.

1183
01:20:07,493 --> 01:20:12,080
Does that right away still exist. At the top of

1184
01:20:12,101 --> 01:20:14,160
Tenth of McBride and he comes out at the mounting

1185
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:17,554
station on the number one. And you should be going

1186
01:20:17,575 --> 01:20:20,434
to Burn and B right now and say, cease and

1187
01:20:20,455 --> 01:20:22,914
desist. We're going to, you don't even have to put

1188
01:20:22,954 --> 01:20:25,794
it overhead. You can cut 100 foot grade there and

1189
01:20:25,834 --> 01:20:29,840
you'd be ready to online. Hundred, 150 feet just to

1190
01:20:29,861 --> 01:20:35,963
cut to give it a, above that 10 feet. We're

1191
01:20:35,963 --> 01:20:38,844
not addressing traffic. And if you want to get rid

1192
01:20:38,844 --> 01:20:41,564
of your drug addicts, I can give you the perfect

1193
01:20:41,745 --> 01:20:47,042
place. It's called Kitsong. It's 137 miles north of terrorists

1194
01:20:47,783 --> 01:20:51,990
at 187 miles north of Prince Rupert. I work there

1195
01:20:52,731 --> 01:20:55,750
in the 1980s. It's an old mining town and it's

1196
01:20:55,771 --> 01:21:00,819
pristine. And it'll hold between 1500 and 2, 000 people.

1197
01:21:01,755 --> 01:21:05,574
The provincial government should someone bought it and tried to

1198
01:21:05,595 --> 01:21:08,414
turn it into a recreation area. No one's going to

1199
01:21:08,414 --> 01:21:11,334
go that far. No it for recreation. But it would

1200
01:21:11,355 --> 01:21:15,533
make a perfect drug treatment centre. That gets them out

1201
01:21:15,533 --> 01:21:20,173
of our city's and into isolation where they can treat

1202
01:21:20,173 --> 01:21:22,973
it. They say five weeks you can clean them up

1203
01:21:23,314 --> 01:21:25,929
10 weeks. They have a better chance of recover. That

1204
01:21:26,030 --> 01:21:32,822
means 2, 000 times 10 weeks, five. 10, 000 to

1205
01:21:32,923 --> 01:21:35,702
20, 000 people, depending how long you put them in

1206
01:21:35,702 --> 01:21:39,204
there. So why aren't we dealing with it in a

1207
01:21:39,225 --> 01:21:45,624
logical manner. So, and I want to deal with this

1208
01:21:45,645 --> 01:21:47,704
right away. We're going to be shouldn't be building on

1209
01:21:47,744 --> 01:21:51,483
that right away unless it's been done away with. And

1210
01:21:51,584 --> 01:21:54,203
they're right now, they've been blocking it for years of

1211
01:21:54,203 --> 01:21:55,963
building on it because they don't want it running through

1212
01:21:56,224 --> 01:22:00,203
burning. But it's the solution New West traffic problem.

1213
01:22:06,860 --> 01:22:09,639
And we have to deal with traffic in this city.

1214
01:22:10,992 --> 01:22:15,051
Where the geographical centre of the valley. The monuments raked

1215
01:22:15,051 --> 01:22:22,741
down in Hume Park. And everything runs through us. We've

1216
01:22:22,741 --> 01:22:27,182
got two bridges within our borders. Major bridges. We build

1217
01:22:27,283 --> 01:22:29,422
a six lane bridge and turned it into four lanes.

1218
01:22:29,786 --> 01:22:33,685
We got sidewalks there with a sidewalk and the wind

1219
01:22:33,725 --> 01:22:41,995
of the traffic land. It's time you addressed it. Okay.

1220
01:22:41,995 --> 01:22:47,067
Thank you, Mr. Muzi. Oh, Councillor Fontaine. Just really quickly

1221
01:22:47,728 --> 01:22:50,507
through you, Mr. Mayor, to staff just to confirm this

1222
01:22:50,528 --> 01:22:54,427
storm on connector, um, I'm assuming that director, or deputies

1223
01:22:54,448 --> 01:22:57,687
city manager acting director of engineering can respond. But, um,

1224
01:22:58,288 --> 01:23:00,507
is that still, I have had that question posed to

1225
01:23:00,507 --> 01:23:02,747
me in all seriousness multiple times, but I don't actually

1226
01:23:02,787 --> 01:23:05,147
have the answer for that. I know I keep hearing

1227
01:23:05,168 --> 01:23:07,227
it's a right of way and et cetera. But I

1228
01:23:07,267 --> 01:23:09,547
do notice they are building on top of it now.

1229
01:23:09,547 --> 01:23:11,867
So I'm assuming that the strum on connector is no

1230
01:23:11,907 --> 01:23:16,682
longer, um, a right of weight connection. I don't know.

1231
01:23:18,284 --> 01:23:24,744
Definitely CAO or cancer that. I will dig deep into

1232
01:23:24,925 --> 01:23:30,341
through the chart. My understanding is that the storm on

1233
01:23:30,442 --> 01:23:35,861
connector concept plan, um, is no longer being actively pursued.

1234
01:23:36,624 --> 01:23:38,763
And I'm not sure that I can say any more

1235
01:23:38,763 --> 01:23:41,643
than that without a statement from them, Ministry of Transportation

1236
01:23:41,984 --> 01:23:48,162
and Transit. Thank you. Thank you. And I did have

1237
01:23:48,423 --> 01:23:52,242
one delegate who, uh, Brian O'Neal, if he showed up.

1238
01:23:54,589 --> 01:23:59,390
There's space in the. Uh, and I don't think Brian

1239
01:23:59,390 --> 01:24:01,070
Oehle is here. So what I will do is call

1240
01:24:01,171 --> 01:24:05,310
to an end of the public delegation period. Um, counsel,

1241
01:24:05,310 --> 01:24:06,910
I think we might want to think about taking a

1242
01:24:06,910 --> 01:24:09,310
bit, a short break just to for a bit of

1243
01:24:09,310 --> 01:24:11,230
a nature break. Just to get a drink. But I

1244
01:24:11,230 --> 01:24:15,790
would rec, can we please go through, um, uh, the,

1245
01:24:15,790 --> 01:24:19,790
um, consent agenda first, please. Can Councillor's go down the

1246
01:24:20,371 --> 01:24:23,323
queue. And, um, remove things from the agenda. They wish

1247
01:24:23,363 --> 01:24:30,905
to remove. Starting with Councillor Nakagawa. 4. 3 4. 4

1248
01:24:31,806 --> 01:24:35,465
and 4. 12, please. That's 412.

1249
01:24:41,563 --> 01:24:48,790
4. 2. Sorry.

1250
01:24:54,593 --> 01:25:00,837
Um, Councillor Henderson. Thank you. Can I pull 4. 6.

1251
01:25:04,952 --> 01:25:11,440
Or 410. 410? Yeah. Thanks.

1252
01:25:16,545 --> 01:25:18,844
Again to 410, but it looks like that's done. Yeah.

1253
01:25:18,945 --> 01:25:24,119
Okay. Councillor Fontaine. I'm going to be pulling Mr. Mayor

1254
01:25:24,220 --> 01:25:31,889
item 49. 804 11. And I believe Council Nathagawa called

1255
01:25:32,150 --> 01:25:37,808
item 412. I just reconfirmed that. 411. And 412. It's

1256
01:25:37,808 --> 01:25:41,408
fart even pulled. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. Okay. Oh, and I'm

1257
01:25:41,408 --> 01:25:49,809
going to push poll number 415, 415. So can I

1258
01:25:49,849 --> 01:25:53,489
get a motion to approve on consent 41 and 42

1259
01:25:53,670 --> 01:25:57,489
at our minutes? No moves. Uh, hold on. 4. 5.

1260
01:26:01,456 --> 01:26:09,254
4. 8. And the two proclamations. So moved.

1261
01:26:10,866 --> 01:26:14,125
Second. All in favor. All opposed carry. And we will

1262
01:26:14,125 --> 01:26:17,245
take, let us take a seven minute break and get

1263
01:26:17,285 --> 01:26:19,245
back here at 25 two. And we will start with

1264
01:26:19,266 --> 01:26:21,485
item 4. 3 at that point. Thanks.

1265
01:35:46,576 --> 01:35:47,835
Okay folks, let's take our seats.

1266
01:36:03,431 --> 01:36:03,890
In there.

1267
01:36:21,338 --> 01:36:31,319
That's why. Okay. So I'm

1268
01:36:31,319 --> 01:36:37,080
sure she'll get back. But I'm gonna call, we have

1269
01:36:37,261 --> 01:36:39,480
quorum, and I will get this meeting back in order.

1270
01:36:43,676 --> 01:36:50,663
There in Nakagawa. All right. Okay. Thank you very much

1271
01:36:50,684 --> 01:36:55,303
for getting this back to us. It feels so important

1272
01:36:56,444 --> 01:37:01,063
to be talking about this. I have two questions and

1273
01:37:01,063 --> 01:37:02,503
one sort of comment, so maybe I'll start with the

1274
01:37:02,503 --> 01:37:05,383
questions. The first is I just wanna clarify, for example,

1275
01:37:05,724 --> 01:37:10,343
that if a councillor or another staff member was to

1276
01:37:10,343 --> 01:37:13,943
put, like closed information like closed reports into some sort

1277
01:37:13,983 --> 01:37:15,863
of an AI model, that this would be considered a

1278
01:37:15,903 --> 01:37:25,644
breach of closed information. Director of Finance, CFO. Hi through

1279
01:37:25,644 --> 01:37:29,564
the mayor, thanks for the question. Based on the guidelines,

1280
01:37:29,564 --> 01:37:33,050
yes, that would be considered a breach. Based on our

1281
01:37:33,090 --> 01:37:37,680
guidelines. Okay, yeah, I think that is really important for

1282
01:37:37,701 --> 01:37:40,720
the city to be aware of that. Obviously, people use

1283
01:37:41,301 --> 01:37:45,840
generative AIs for a number of purposes and putting closed

1284
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:48,320
material and does create more training data based on that

1285
01:37:48,501 --> 01:37:52,880
confidential information. So I think that is really important to

1286
01:37:52,901 --> 01:37:56,600
pull that apart. My second question are sort of, I

1287
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:58,640
guess it's kind of feedback, it's kind of question is

1288
01:37:59,061 --> 01:38:03,280
there was a list of AI platforms that are unacceptable

1289
01:38:03,701 --> 01:38:07,040
and a list that works acceptable. I can really understand

1290
01:38:07,301 --> 01:38:11,520
why Grock would not be acceptable, and I support that.

1291
01:38:11,621 --> 01:38:15,440
I'm wondering if the bit of a framework or a

1292
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:19,040
description of what makes the platforms acceptable or unacceptable. Like

1293
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:21,760
if the guidance, because like it says in the report,

1294
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:27,760
these are just proliferating, you know, just every single day

1295
01:38:28,021 --> 01:38:30,880
the ones popping up, so I guess, what is the

1296
01:38:32,261 --> 01:38:35,600
matrix for determining what makes a platform acceptable or unacceptable?

1297
01:38:36,661 --> 01:38:41,600
Director Finance. Thanks through the mayor, I would like to

1298
01:38:41,621 --> 01:38:46,240
actually introduce our chief information officer, Paul Taylor, who would

1299
01:38:46,280 --> 01:38:49,525
be the best suited to answer that question. Through the

1300
01:38:49,566 --> 01:38:52,585
mayor, thank you for the question. It's tough to keep

1301
01:38:52,606 --> 01:38:55,225
up, as you mentioned, with all the proliferation of online

1302
01:38:55,265 --> 01:38:58,945
platforms. So we leaned into the ones that offer, I

1303
01:38:58,945 --> 01:39:02,025
guess, the greatest flexibility in terms of creating account. Portal

1304
01:39:02,025 --> 01:39:04,465
allows you to toggle off the training data option. It

1305
01:39:04,465 --> 01:39:06,025
sort of makes it a bit safer so that whatever

1306
01:39:06,206 --> 01:39:08,425
you're inputting is not there for use for training data.

1307
01:39:09,135 --> 01:39:10,874
So that was one of the guiding principles that we

1308
01:39:10,895 --> 01:39:13,514
used. But as we get further into this with the

1309
01:39:13,514 --> 01:39:15,194
working group, we're going to analyse this much more deeply.

1310
01:39:16,433 --> 01:39:20,332
Okay. So the other piece of feedback that I would

1311
01:39:20,353 --> 01:39:23,932
just include in this is that obviously generative AI has

1312
01:39:24,113 --> 01:39:28,092
huge climate and environmental impacts. And I would like that

1313
01:39:28,132 --> 01:39:31,512
also to be included in it, a consideration, you know,

1314
01:39:31,512 --> 01:39:34,552
I think there's good guidance there around for staff, for

1315
01:39:34,552 --> 01:39:38,132
example, that it should supplement, it shouldn't replace judgment, et

1316
01:39:38,132 --> 01:39:40,972
cetera. Um, I would also like a consideration of whether

1317
01:39:40,993 --> 01:39:44,172
or not it's necessary given its huge water usage and

1318
01:39:44,212 --> 01:39:48,372
electrical usage. Um, people are using this, no doubt. I

1319
01:39:48,372 --> 01:39:53,212
think using it responsibly is acknowledging that even though we

1320
01:39:53,252 --> 01:39:58,492
cannot see it, every time that we generative AI, it's

1321
01:39:58,513 --> 01:40:02,892
gobbling up resources. We've been, we've just, I think, moved

1322
01:40:02,892 --> 01:40:06,332
out of stage three watering restrictions back into stage two,

1323
01:40:06,332 --> 01:40:08,092
but I mean, um, I think this is something we

1324
01:40:08,113 --> 01:40:09,512
should be concerned about. So I would love to see

1325
01:40:09,512 --> 01:40:12,252
that included as a working group continues to do their

1326
01:40:12,252 --> 01:40:16,746
work. So thank you. I'll move the recommendation. Okay, thank

1327
01:40:16,746 --> 01:40:21,967
you. Councillor Henderson. Thank you. Yeah, I have the same

1328
01:40:22,468 --> 01:40:29,407
concern and comment about, uh, resource implications. Um, yeah, and

1329
01:40:29,428 --> 01:40:32,747
I guess just, just some comments, not questions, but, uh,

1330
01:40:32,788 --> 01:40:36,127
the way that I read this AI, this policy here,

1331
01:40:36,127 --> 01:40:38,687
um, there's a piece around it's not to be used

1332
01:40:38,727 --> 01:40:42,127
to make decisions on behalf of the city, um, or

1333
01:40:42,127 --> 01:40:46,127
in any context where accuracy, professional judgment, or originality is

1334
01:40:46,167 --> 01:40:51,087
critical. Um, for me, I interpret that as, uh, my

1335
01:40:51,188 --> 01:40:53,887
remarks, my comments as a councillor. I think that people

1336
01:40:54,148 --> 01:40:58,207
expect us, I think it's important that residents hear us

1337
01:40:58,228 --> 01:41:00,927
in our own words. I think that as elected officials,

1338
01:41:00,927 --> 01:41:03,087
I think there is an expectation that we are sharing

1339
01:41:03,188 --> 01:41:07,087
our own, uh, unique thoughts. And so, um, I have

1340
01:41:07,127 --> 01:41:10,047
a disclaimer on my signature now to let residents know

1341
01:41:10,047 --> 01:41:11,967
that I never use AI in any of my emails

1342
01:41:12,068 --> 01:41:15,487
back, social media written remarks and chambers, anything like that.

1343
01:41:15,487 --> 01:41:18,127
And, um, I would encourage, um, that same transparency with

1344
01:41:18,708 --> 01:41:22,187
my council colleagues here, um, just in terms of, uh,

1345
01:41:22,187 --> 01:41:25,167
letting, letting folks know, uh, when and when they don't,

1346
01:41:25,167 --> 01:41:27,407
uh, use AI in our comments as councillors. So thanks.

1347
01:41:28,835 --> 01:41:32,494
Thank you. Um, thanks, thanks for the report. It did

1348
01:41:32,494 --> 01:41:36,014
help clarify a lot of things. It also helped clarify

1349
01:41:36,014 --> 01:41:38,494
me that the challenge actually in front of us about

1350
01:41:38,595 --> 01:41:45,148
recognising where, where the line is in this technology. I

1351
01:41:45,329 --> 01:41:47,628
am, I have to admit I am, I think maybe

1352
01:41:47,729 --> 01:41:49,388
the first time my life starting to feel like a

1353
01:41:49,388 --> 01:41:51,228
bit of a luddite. I'm starting to feel a little

1354
01:41:51,228 --> 01:41:54,028
bit questionable about where the technology is going and not

1355
01:41:54,028 --> 01:41:55,868
wanting to not wanting to engage with. So I don't

1356
01:41:56,209 --> 01:41:57,788
take the time. I haven't taken the time to learn

1357
01:41:57,828 --> 01:41:59,308
how to use these tools or want to use those

1358
01:41:59,348 --> 01:42:02,908
tools right now. But that said, um, I am a

1359
01:42:02,929 --> 01:42:06,428
person who uses word. I use Excel. I use Microsoft

1360
01:42:06,529 --> 01:42:09,388
programs. I use Adobe to read by read my tuils

1361
01:42:09,409 --> 01:42:11,588
that I provided by me. And I guess, I don't

1362
01:42:11,588 --> 01:42:15,788
know, maybe there, I guess my concern would be maybe

1363
01:42:15,828 --> 01:42:17,948
we need to have a conversation about some training for

1364
01:42:18,129 --> 01:42:22,028
council on, on this. Cause council is one part of

1365
01:42:22,209 --> 01:42:27,208
the organisation here that is privy to close information. And

1366
01:42:27,208 --> 01:42:29,068
I think that maybe there might be an opportunity for

1367
01:42:29,089 --> 01:42:32,028
us on council to get some training about how we

1368
01:42:32,129 --> 01:42:35,688
actually protect and make sure that we don't unintentionally, uh,

1369
01:42:35,729 --> 01:42:40,108
end up providing close information into, like we may not

1370
01:42:40,148 --> 01:42:42,588
even know. And the idea that we can't write anything

1371
01:42:42,929 --> 01:42:46,668
into a Word document that might be enclosed is a,

1372
01:42:46,668 --> 01:42:48,748
might be close information is concerning, right? Or anything into

1373
01:42:48,769 --> 01:42:51,788
a note piece and piece of note taking software on

1374
01:42:51,828 --> 01:42:54,188
your desktop, right? So I think we're all aware that

1375
01:42:54,188 --> 01:42:56,828
we don't share it. And we don't store closed information

1376
01:42:57,169 --> 01:43:00,188
on computers that don't belong to the city. We have,

1377
01:43:00,188 --> 01:43:02,968
you know, there's some data hygiene things around that. But

1378
01:43:02,968 --> 01:43:05,468
I think maybe we might need some further training for

1379
01:43:05,729 --> 01:43:11,468
council who with all, how do I say this? Perhaps

1380
01:43:11,489 --> 01:43:14,028
not as up on it as staff are. I think

1381
01:43:14,068 --> 01:43:15,628
that's a good way to say, yeah, we're not as

1382
01:43:15,628 --> 01:43:18,548
up on the changes of technology of staff R. So

1383
01:43:19,169 --> 01:43:20,988
that would just add that maybe as a suggestion for

1384
01:43:21,329 --> 01:43:23,548
first off to think about whether they, whether that's something

1385
01:43:23,588 --> 01:43:26,348
that they, they may want to consider either for this

1386
01:43:26,388 --> 01:43:28,268
council or for the next council as part of the

1387
01:43:28,308 --> 01:43:30,828
training for the new council when they come in. Cause

1388
01:43:30,828 --> 01:43:32,588
I think we're getting, we're heading into areas that are

1389
01:43:32,628 --> 01:43:34,188
really difficult for a lot of people to understand where

1390
01:43:34,228 --> 01:43:36,870
the lines are. With that said, um, thank you for

1391
01:43:36,891 --> 01:43:39,270
the report and thanks for the update. And I will

1392
01:43:40,251 --> 01:43:41,990
see no more comments or questions. I'll call the question

1393
01:43:42,171 --> 01:43:46,028
all in favor. I'll oppose Kerry. Thank you. Thank you.

1394
01:43:51,047 --> 01:43:54,626
Next item is on the Community Advisory Assembly Updates Councillor

1395
01:43:54,666 --> 01:44:02,745
Nakagawa. Thank you. Um, really appreciated this report. And as

1396
01:44:02,766 --> 01:44:06,405
somebody who has led and been part of a lot

1397
01:44:06,405 --> 01:44:10,265
of conversations about diversity inclusion, uh, very interesting to read

1398
01:44:10,526 --> 01:44:13,385
the model that was used, um, to have this, this

1399
01:44:13,425 --> 01:44:17,865
conversation. A lot of the recommendations I think make really

1400
01:44:17,905 --> 01:44:22,105
good sense. And I appreciate, you know, the, the assembly

1401
01:44:22,206 --> 01:44:25,383
taken this on. This is a tricky conversation. A couple

1402
01:44:25,383 --> 01:44:29,383
of pieces that I just wanted to, um, uplift and

1403
01:44:29,423 --> 01:44:32,183
maybe ask that for an update on. When is the

1404
01:44:32,223 --> 01:44:36,023
boat accessibility descriptions of buildings? This is a huge part

1405
01:44:36,063 --> 01:44:40,903
of inclusion. And, um, some of our buildings have somewhat,

1406
01:44:40,903 --> 01:44:45,863
uh, accessibility descriptions on them. Um, others say fully accessible,

1407
01:44:45,863 --> 01:44:48,903
which really isn't inaccessibility description. Um, it needs to have

1408
01:44:48,903 --> 01:44:51,623
more nuance and detail than that. Um, and then the

1409
01:44:51,663 --> 01:44:54,103
other piece I wanted to ask for an update on

1410
01:44:54,364 --> 01:44:57,143
was just today, and this was great timing, not related

1411
01:44:57,183 --> 01:44:59,943
to this report. Um, I received a couple of emails

1412
01:45:00,924 --> 01:45:04,103
from members of the community asking, and this is also

1413
01:45:04,143 --> 01:45:06,743
a good timing because new us Pride was just here.

1414
01:45:06,743 --> 01:45:10,103
Um, asking about updates on gender inclusive washrooms, uh, for

1415
01:45:10,124 --> 01:45:13,703
city facilities, um, for I know, for example, the Massey

1416
01:45:13,724 --> 01:45:17,283
theatre has had upgrades to make, um, inclusive washrooms. Um,

1417
01:45:17,283 --> 01:45:19,223
but, um, wanted to ask for an update on how

1418
01:45:19,324 --> 01:45:21,863
the city is progressing on this file. It's really, really

1419
01:45:21,863 --> 01:45:25,623
important for some members of our community to have their

1420
01:45:25,663 --> 01:45:29,674
basic needs met. So, um, not sure if staff have

1421
01:45:29,714 --> 01:45:32,394
an update on that at the ready, but would like

1422
01:45:32,394 --> 01:45:34,714
to request that they come back, um, to let us

1423
01:45:34,714 --> 01:45:36,634
know what the plan is about that and what a

1424
01:45:36,634 --> 01:45:43,651
timeline for completion will be. Services. Thank you for the

1425
01:45:43,832 --> 01:45:46,291
question through the chair. Uh, we will take that away

1426
01:45:46,552 --> 01:45:48,771
and bring that, bring back an update for you. Thank

1427
01:45:48,771 --> 01:45:51,251
you. Great. Great timing. We have washrooms on the agenda

1428
01:45:51,272 --> 01:45:53,811
later on too. So important thing to talk about. Thanks.

1429
01:45:54,835 --> 01:45:58,879
Okay. Recoindations were moved. Isn't the seconder. And I see

1430
01:45:59,060 --> 01:46:00,879
no other comments or questions. So I'll call the question

1431
01:46:01,060 --> 01:46:07,850
all in favor. All opposed, it's carried. Item 4. 6

1432
01:46:08,111 --> 01:46:11,930
is trained whistle cessation resolution for braid street rail crossings.

1433
01:46:11,930 --> 01:46:16,132
Councillor Henderson. Hi. Thank you. Uh, yeah, I will move

1434
01:46:16,553 --> 01:46:22,694
recommendation of the gate. And seconded. Awesome. Yeah. This is

1435
01:46:22,955 --> 01:46:27,494
obviously really exciting. Um, to see come forward. Um, really

1436
01:46:27,494 --> 01:46:30,614
happy that staff were able to, um, move on this

1437
01:46:30,795 --> 01:46:36,534
crossing. Um, this will be welcomed news for the folks

1438
01:46:36,955 --> 01:46:40,934
particularly who are at the new tower, um, along Brave

1439
01:46:40,974 --> 01:46:45,574
Street there. Um, can you help, I think what is

1440
01:46:45,835 --> 01:46:51,494
also important is, um, helping us understand and helping residents

1441
01:46:51,515 --> 01:46:54,674
understand why, uh, braid was able to move a bit

1442
01:46:54,674 --> 01:46:57,334
faster than spruce and cumberland. I understand some of those

1443
01:46:58,075 --> 01:47:01,574
technicalities, um, but I just want to, um, make sure

1444
01:47:01,614 --> 01:47:07,394
that, uh, the brewery district residents understand, um, that, uh,

1445
01:47:07,835 --> 01:47:11,014
sort of the, the timeline of events, um, because I

1446
01:47:11,014 --> 01:47:13,334
know that they are also eagerly awaiting. We have finished

1447
01:47:13,355 --> 01:47:15,974
the work on Cumberland. And I know that we are

1448
01:47:16,014 --> 01:47:18,694
just waiting for the railway to complete some of their

1449
01:47:18,715 --> 01:47:22,994
work, um, and spruce is a beast. And we are

1450
01:47:22,994 --> 01:47:25,334
getting there. But I'm just wondering if, if you might

1451
01:47:25,374 --> 01:47:28,594
be able to, uh, just help us understand, you know,

1452
01:47:28,955 --> 01:47:31,254
sort of what happened at Braid that led to its

1453
01:47:31,275 --> 01:47:37,424
relatively, um, quicker, uh, success. Thanks. So to the deputy

1454
01:47:37,445 --> 01:47:42,965
CAO or does that go to, okay. Um, thank you

1455
01:47:43,066 --> 01:47:51,813
for the question and through the chat. The work on

1456
01:47:52,154 --> 01:47:58,174
braid. Has been years in the making. We have been

1457
01:47:58,435 --> 01:48:05,355
actively working on all the infrastructure to help support. All

1458
01:48:05,355 --> 01:48:09,595
the infrastructure that goes, that has gone into getting us

1459
01:48:09,635 --> 01:48:12,315
to the point of resourceation for, uh, a number of

1460
01:48:12,355 --> 01:48:15,815
years now. And that includes a lot of, you know,

1461
01:48:16,096 --> 01:48:22,635
technical designs, technical studies that we've been diligently working on

1462
01:48:22,816 --> 01:48:27,275
in the background. Um, I think we, we found a

1463
01:48:27,315 --> 01:48:31,355
sweet spot where we were able to bring all the,

1464
01:48:31,355 --> 01:48:37,515
um, stakeholders and all the folks from on the regulatory

1465
01:48:38,256 --> 01:48:41,555
regulators as well as obviously on the railway side. We

1466
01:48:41,555 --> 01:48:45,275
were able to bring them together behind our technical solution

1467
01:48:45,376 --> 01:48:48,635
that we proposed. And that kind of got us a

1468
01:48:48,635 --> 01:48:50,715
lot of the momentum. And we were able to go

1469
01:48:50,715 --> 01:48:55,595
out and build it. And that is generally what has

1470
01:48:55,635 --> 01:48:57,675
led us to this point right now that we're able

1471
01:48:57,675 --> 01:49:02,075
to put those resolution forward. Great. That's awesome. So not

1472
01:49:02,115 --> 01:49:05,195
a matter of, um, super seething, but actually this one

1473
01:49:05,195 --> 01:49:08,315
was burning Ember's burning in the background. That's really helpful

1474
01:49:08,355 --> 01:49:13,275
to be reminded of. The report outlines that if counsel

1475
01:49:13,376 --> 01:49:16,075
passes this resolution, which I don't want to speak for

1476
01:49:16,115 --> 01:49:19,675
all of counsel, but I suspect that it'll be unanimous.

1477
01:49:19,675 --> 01:49:24,715
Uh, and, uh, the railway has 30 days to cease

1478
01:49:26,336 --> 01:49:29,355
blowing their whistles with the exception of, you know, safety

1479
01:49:29,395 --> 01:49:31,755
issues and when things come up, um, can you help

1480
01:49:31,795 --> 01:49:34,555
us understand if they were, is there an opportunity for

1481
01:49:34,896 --> 01:49:37,275
any of the railways to object and what that process

1482
01:49:37,296 --> 01:49:42,391
would look like. There is a process for them to

1483
01:49:42,412 --> 01:49:48,800
provide comments and to. I wouldn't go as far as

1484
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:51,920
to call it a formal objection, but they'll raise their

1485
01:49:52,021 --> 01:49:56,320
concerns. And there is a process that is laid out

1486
01:49:56,421 --> 01:49:58,720
in the regulation of how we can work through that

1487
01:49:58,901 --> 01:50:03,514
process in order to, um, overcome their concerns. To get

1488
01:50:03,514 --> 01:50:07,914
us to the point where we are able to cease

1489
01:50:08,415 --> 01:50:10,474
the whistling. Okay. So would that have to come back

1490
01:50:10,735 --> 01:50:13,354
to counsel if that was, you know, if that exchange

1491
01:50:13,455 --> 01:50:15,194
happened or is that just something that you'll work on

1492
01:50:15,194 --> 01:50:18,394
within the 30 days? That is something that's that full

1493
01:50:18,394 --> 01:50:20,794
worker. Okay. Great. Great. Awesome. Yeah. Well, this is wonderful

1494
01:50:20,895 --> 01:50:25,634
news. Um, Southern will be delighted as this opportunity. I

1495
01:50:25,634 --> 01:50:28,634
will help spread that news. And yeah, thank you for

1496
01:50:28,674 --> 01:50:30,614
all your work. I know that this is the, um,

1497
01:50:31,135 --> 01:50:34,454
tedious, uh, David and Goliath battle of all time. Uh,

1498
01:50:34,575 --> 01:50:37,914
with the railway crossings and really appreciate staff's commitment on

1499
01:50:37,914 --> 01:50:42,064
this. Thank you. I don't see any of their comments

1500
01:50:42,064 --> 01:50:43,744
or questions. There's a motion on the floor. It's been

1501
01:50:43,744 --> 01:50:46,384
seconded. So I will call the question all in favor.

1502
01:50:47,619 --> 01:50:50,238
I'll oppose it's carried. Thank you. Thank you, Coco.

1503
01:51:01,206 --> 01:51:04,385
Next item is, sorry, I'm just getting through a minute.

1504
01:51:04,425 --> 01:51:08,374
It's 4. 9 housing agreement. Amendment bylaw to permit guest

1505
01:51:08,475 --> 01:51:12,335
suite. Councillor Fontaine. Mr. Mayor, I have to recuse myself

1506
01:51:12,596 --> 01:51:20,269
due to proximity to this apartment building. Yeah. Thank you.

1507
01:51:34,795 --> 01:51:41,293
Calznakawa. Uh, move recommendation. And seconded yours to speak to

1508
01:51:41,333 --> 01:51:44,658
it. No. Councillor Campbell, do you speak to it? No.

1509
01:51:44,698 --> 01:51:47,018
Okay. In that case, I see no one speaking to

1510
01:51:47,018 --> 01:51:49,477
it. I'll call the question all in favor. I'll oppose

1511
01:51:49,738 --> 01:51:52,597
carried. And can we grab Councillor Dave.

1512
01:52:03,975 --> 01:52:08,328
Okay. Next item is 4. 10 New Westminster Citywide Torrent

1513
01:52:08,368 --> 01:52:18,318
Strategy. Councillor Henderson. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for this

1514
01:52:18,979 --> 01:52:22,878
work. Um, I'm hoping that you can provide some clarity

1515
01:52:23,059 --> 01:52:29,598
around the, uh, 115, 000 and 205, 000 dollars outlined

1516
01:52:29,598 --> 01:52:33,998
in the short term recommendations and what that's used for.

1517
01:52:34,038 --> 01:52:38,238
It's, it's more obvious to me, um, the 80, 000

1518
01:52:38,339 --> 01:52:43,598
amount there needed for way signing and updating updating things

1519
01:52:43,638 --> 01:52:47,838
like that. It's not clear to me what it means.

1520
01:52:47,838 --> 01:52:49,278
Like, you know, what the need for that money is

1521
01:52:49,459 --> 01:52:52,238
for building community partnerships, for example. So some clarity would

1522
01:52:52,278 --> 01:53:02,259
be helpful. Thank you. Amen. We're playing. One of

1523
01:53:02,259 --> 01:53:03,699
us has to push it the other way. Okay. Go

1524
01:53:03,739 --> 01:53:07,599
for it. Through the chair to Councillor Hempson. Thank you

1525
01:53:07,599 --> 01:53:10,659
for the question. Um, in relation to Community Partnerships in

1526
01:53:10,699 --> 01:53:13,139
the short term, uh, there would be a focus on

1527
01:53:13,480 --> 01:53:18,019
supporting a partnership with a nonprofit organisation to address the

1528
01:53:18,019 --> 01:53:21,779
needs of people experiencing homelessness. Um, that is something that,

1529
01:53:21,779 --> 01:53:27,939
uh, tentatively allocated 25, 000 dollars in 2026 and 75,

1530
01:53:27,939 --> 01:53:33,779
000 dollars in 2027 towards developing that partnership. Um, that

1531
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:37,059
is a partnership that we could seek senior government funding

1532
01:53:37,800 --> 01:53:40,979
for, given that it is the responsibility of the provincial

1533
01:53:40,979 --> 01:53:44,239
government to address the needs of people experiencing homelessness. Um,

1534
01:53:44,239 --> 01:53:49,859
there is additional budget allocated towards, um, developing partnerships with,

1535
01:53:49,859 --> 01:53:52,899
um, businesses. So with the private sector. And so in

1536
01:53:52,939 --> 01:53:57,539
the short terms, the budget for that amount would support,

1537
01:53:57,539 --> 01:54:03,299
um, further engagement with local businesses to understand the toolkit

1538
01:54:03,299 --> 01:54:07,139
of incentives that is needed to, um, develop those partnerships.

1539
01:54:07,139 --> 01:54:10,899
Um, we did have representation from businesses on our working

1540
01:54:10,939 --> 01:54:15,379
group and have a general sense of, um, supports that

1541
01:54:15,419 --> 01:54:18,259
would be, that would facilitate businesses to provide wider access

1542
01:54:18,280 --> 01:54:22,579
to their washrooms. Um, but that initial work would support

1543
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:26,179
developing a wider tool kit for that business committing partnership

1544
01:54:26,219 --> 01:54:32,700
model. Okay. So is that, um, both the 115 and

1545
01:54:32,740 --> 01:54:38,060
the 205 amount. Um, there's, there's, there's a breakdown of

1546
01:54:38,060 --> 01:54:44,860
kind of three steps. Um, the Community Partnerships, uh, 115,

1547
01:54:44,860 --> 01:54:47,740
the Communications Wayfinding, information tracking is AD. And then the

1548
01:54:47,780 --> 01:54:51,340
implementation governance. Can you help me understand what the costs

1549
01:54:51,340 --> 01:54:53,438
associated with that. Are. Yes.

1550
01:55:14,993 --> 01:55:18,732
So the, uh, the short - term recommendations related to

1551
01:55:18,772 --> 01:55:24,092
Community Partnerships involves, um, 25, 000 dollars in 2026 towards

1552
01:55:24,273 --> 01:55:26,812
establishing partnership with the faith - based or non -

1553
01:55:26,812 --> 01:55:30,172
profit organisation, um, to support people experiencing homelessness in the

1554
01:55:30,172 --> 01:55:38,023
90, 000 dollars for people experiencing homelessness in 2027. The

1555
01:55:38,124 --> 01:55:41,783
80, 000 dollars in the communications wayfinding and information, tracking

1556
01:55:41,884 --> 01:55:49,463
section of the report relates to communications and wayfinding in

1557
01:55:49,484 --> 01:55:56,583
2026, um, print materials that would provide information about the

1558
01:55:56,623 --> 01:56:01,623
city's public toilets. It would also include, um, expanding the

1559
01:56:01,724 --> 01:56:06,963
downtown wayfinding strategy to other areas across the city. Um,

1560
01:56:06,963 --> 01:56:11,943
it would also include integrating C click fix as a

1561
01:56:11,983 --> 01:56:15,863
public reporting tool across the city, uh, so that members

1562
01:56:15,903 --> 01:56:19,463
of the public could identify when mushrooms are in need

1563
01:56:19,503 --> 01:56:24,903
of maintenance or upgrades and provide that information to staff.

1564
01:56:24,903 --> 01:56:27,303
It also includes a small amount for small scale retrofits

1565
01:56:27,303 --> 01:56:30,903
and upgrades to increase accessibility, pump, prudence, safety. And so,

1566
01:56:30,903 --> 01:56:36,023
um, in particular, that would look like small scale retrofits

1567
01:56:36,124 --> 01:56:41,783
such as, um, ensuring that washrooms have infant change tables

1568
01:56:42,044 --> 01:56:46,823
universally across the board, things like step stools to support,

1569
01:56:46,823 --> 01:56:50,663
um, small children to reach the sinks, looking also at

1570
01:56:51,324 --> 01:56:54,903
hand bars and garabrails as needed and nonstick flooring for

1571
01:56:55,084 --> 01:56:59,223
people experiencing, um, with visibilities or seniors. Okay. That's really

1572
01:56:59,244 --> 01:57:01,743
helpful. Thank you. That was not clear to me. So

1573
01:57:01,743 --> 01:57:08,343
that's really helpful. Um, the, uh, there have been some

1574
01:57:08,604 --> 01:57:11,943
signs around saying new signage is coming around the downtown

1575
01:57:12,444 --> 01:57:14,423
and the director of Community Services let us know today

1576
01:57:14,463 --> 01:57:16,423
that that was tourism in the West who's taking on

1577
01:57:16,463 --> 01:57:19,303
that wayfinding piece. Um, and that those are set to

1578
01:57:19,303 --> 01:57:21,383
be done sort of at the end of the month.

1579
01:57:21,383 --> 01:57:25,383
Um, how can we weave these together? I don't want,

1580
01:57:25,383 --> 01:57:27,863
you know, we just have done that wayfinding. Is there

1581
01:57:27,903 --> 01:57:30,743
a way to coordinate, uh, with that, you know, just

1582
01:57:30,743 --> 01:57:34,903
in terms of, um, obviously the downtown is a highly

1583
01:57:34,903 --> 01:57:38,563
dense area where they signs would be really appreciated. And

1584
01:57:38,563 --> 01:57:42,183
so I'm just wondering how, um, how the, if there

1585
01:57:42,183 --> 01:57:44,583
have been conversations with Jura 70 West, if those are,

1586
01:57:44,583 --> 01:57:46,183
you know, in the works right now, I don't want

1587
01:57:46,183 --> 01:57:48,423
to duplicate their work or replace the work that's already

1588
01:57:48,423 --> 01:57:49,863
been done. So yeah, if you could speak to that.

1589
01:57:52,087 --> 01:57:56,626
Through the chair, uh, we do have wayfinding consultant who

1590
01:57:56,626 --> 01:58:00,306
is doing a concept design with regards to Sonic and

1591
01:58:00,327 --> 01:58:05,746
wayfinding. Uh, we are looking for coordinated process, uh, so

1592
01:58:05,746 --> 01:58:09,826
we will be reaching out to tourism in the West.

1593
01:58:09,826 --> 01:58:12,466
And also with regards to the implementation coordinated, which was

1594
01:58:12,727 --> 01:58:15,886
a vision which we're looking at, that would take, um,

1595
01:58:16,567 --> 01:58:20,466
really take responsibility for trying to coordinate work moving forward,

1596
01:58:20,466 --> 01:58:24,946
recognising, uh, having the standardized signage throughout the city is

1597
01:58:24,986 --> 01:58:27,605
really important. Uh, so, uh, we will be reaching out

1598
01:58:27,706 --> 01:58:30,485
to tourism in the West. Okay. Awesome. Thanks. Yeah. Thank

1599
01:58:30,485 --> 01:58:33,605
you so much. Um, yeah, I mean, we, uh, everyone

1600
01:58:33,645 --> 01:58:37,105
needs a washroom a few times a day. So, uh,

1601
01:58:38,346 --> 01:58:40,485
this is definitely needed. We need to be thinking about

1602
01:58:40,586 --> 01:58:45,285
this in a really concrete way. So I appreciate the

1603
01:58:45,285 --> 01:58:48,890
work on this. Thanks. And if you don't, you should

1604
01:58:48,930 --> 01:58:53,567
see your doctor. Okay. Uh, Councillor Campbell. Sorry, just laughing

1605
01:58:53,828 --> 01:58:58,687
because now we're doing comedy. Okay. Yeah. Thanks for this

1606
01:58:58,687 --> 01:59:05,707
report. Quite extensive. They toilet strategy. So I appreciate, you

1607
01:59:05,707 --> 01:59:09,167
know, I didn't realise there was so complex. Like in

1608
01:59:09,167 --> 01:59:10,767
one of the things that was addressed in the short

1609
01:59:10,807 --> 01:59:16,587
term, um, actions is staffing and increasing the needs, uh,

1610
01:59:16,708 --> 01:59:20,127
to maintain, um, the public toilet. So I appreciate that

1611
01:59:20,167 --> 01:59:23,407
that's been addressed. And I know it's a work in

1612
01:59:23,407 --> 01:59:25,647
progress, but we want to make sure that it's a,

1613
01:59:25,647 --> 01:59:28,327
uh, a safe workplace for employees. And we want to

1614
01:59:28,327 --> 01:59:30,687
make sure that the needs of the community are met.

1615
01:59:30,687 --> 01:59:33,647
So I'm really looking forward to the way forward there.

1616
01:59:33,647 --> 01:59:36,367
Um, I do have some questions and you may not

1617
01:59:36,407 --> 01:59:38,927
know all the answers and you can just shoot me

1618
01:59:38,967 --> 01:59:41,167
an email if you want, but it's about, um, the

1619
01:59:41,508 --> 01:59:45,487
short term implementations, uh, and it's on attachment one page

1620
01:59:45,588 --> 01:59:49,167
44. Some of these projects understand have already been approved

1621
01:59:49,428 --> 01:59:52,847
in the capital plan. So yay, that's great. Um, one

1622
01:59:52,887 --> 01:59:56,047
of them is the completion of the freestanding public toilets

1623
01:59:56,087 --> 02:00:01,147
at Park C West. Minister, or Westminster Pierre Park, the

1624
02:00:01,147 --> 02:00:03,807
expansion piece in case people don't know what Park C

1625
02:00:03,847 --> 02:00:07,967
is. Um, I'm wondering if we know how many freestanding

1626
02:00:08,007 --> 02:00:11,327
toilets are going to be there and the operating hours,

1627
02:00:11,327 --> 02:00:15,322
if you know those. Through the chair, there will be

1628
02:00:15,583 --> 02:00:18,682
two. I'm going to let Annie, you know the opportunity

1629
02:00:18,682 --> 02:00:22,104
hours. I don't know if they're known yet. Um, the,

1630
02:00:22,104 --> 02:00:24,244
through the chair, uh, the operating hours for the, uh,

1631
02:00:24,365 --> 02:00:26,264
washrooms will be the same as the operating hours for

1632
02:00:26,264 --> 02:00:29,930
the park. Okay. So it will be dusted on and

1633
02:00:29,930 --> 02:00:33,130
whatever. Yeah. And changing during the seasons. Okay. So that's

1634
02:00:33,130 --> 02:00:38,810
great. And that's expected to be summer 2026. So are

1635
02:00:38,831 --> 02:00:41,850
we in summer yet? I don't know. Are they there?

1636
02:00:41,850 --> 02:00:49,247
No soon coming. Oh, sorry. I can take that question

1637
02:00:50,388 --> 02:00:53,647
to answer the Councillor's question. The grand opening of the

1638
02:00:53,668 --> 02:00:57,647
extension of Westminster peer park can schedule for August 5th.

1639
02:00:57,647 --> 02:01:01,167
Okay. Mark your calendars. Um, the washrooms are going to

1640
02:01:01,188 --> 02:01:05,487
take a little bit longer. Um, there are some details

1641
02:01:05,588 --> 02:01:08,927
around kind of connecting hooking those up. Um, but we

1642
02:01:08,927 --> 02:01:11,567
will see those late summer early fall, but they will

1643
02:01:11,567 --> 02:01:13,567
not be open for the opening, but we will have

1644
02:01:13,607 --> 02:01:17,487
some up toilet provisions temporary in place for that day.

1645
02:01:17,487 --> 02:01:20,767
Okay. But they're coming. Great. And then the one at

1646
02:01:20,807 --> 02:01:26,287
old school park for 2027. I know that's, uh, like

1647
02:01:26,388 --> 02:01:29,007
not imminent, but it is in the plan and in

1648
02:01:29,007 --> 02:01:31,967
the capital plan. So that's great. Um, my only question

1649
02:01:31,988 --> 02:01:34,927
around that one would be where they might be located

1650
02:01:35,428 --> 02:01:38,447
in order. Like, are they going to be fixed? Is

1651
02:01:38,447 --> 02:01:41,167
it a fixed toilet or is it going to be,

1652
02:01:41,167 --> 02:01:44,447
um, kind of a temporary one? Just trying to understand

1653
02:01:44,708 --> 02:01:50,665
what that service delivery will look like. So through the

1654
02:01:50,665 --> 02:01:55,385
chair, I can also answer that question to the councillor.

1655
02:01:55,726 --> 02:02:00,345
Where right now in our, um, exploration kind of looking

1656
02:02:00,385 --> 02:02:03,145
at the different options for the toilets for that particular

1657
02:02:03,406 --> 02:02:07,545
park. There is a placeholder location. So when the park

1658
02:02:07,566 --> 02:02:11,625
was constructed, we always knew we would phase in toilets.

1659
02:02:11,625 --> 02:02:13,385
So if you know the park, it's between the field

1660
02:02:13,406 --> 02:02:17,238
and the parking lot. Kind of central near the shelter

1661
02:02:17,278 --> 02:02:19,638
there. Yeah. So, uh, so we'll be looking at the

1662
02:02:19,739 --> 02:02:25,478
option of prestanding toilets versus like a build. Yeah. Okay.

1663
02:02:25,579 --> 02:02:28,198
Um, so, and of course, we'll be looking at cost

1664
02:02:28,459 --> 02:02:33,958
efficiency around those options. Um, so to answer your question,

1665
02:02:33,958 --> 02:02:36,758
they are permanent toilets. It's just whether they come prefabbed

1666
02:02:36,798 --> 02:02:40,206
or we built them in place. Perfect. Okay. And, um,

1667
02:02:40,967 --> 02:02:43,586
I guess the other pieces is one of the things

1668
02:02:43,607 --> 02:02:47,986
that I know is there are toilets available. It's just

1669
02:02:47,986 --> 02:02:50,626
some people don't know where they are. And I understand

1670
02:02:50,807 --> 02:02:53,346
there can be more signage. Um, and maybe it was

1671
02:02:53,386 --> 02:02:55,826
in the 60 page document. And I apologise for this

1672
02:02:55,866 --> 02:02:58,146
question if it was in there. But is there going

1673
02:02:58,146 --> 02:03:01,426
to be something like, you know, where you people can

1674
02:03:01,426 --> 02:03:04,226
just say, here I am and the toilet that comes

1675
02:03:04,226 --> 02:03:06,786
up on there, Google map or something, is that something

1676
02:03:06,786 --> 02:03:09,506
that we think we can, I don't want to reivent

1677
02:03:09,546 --> 02:03:11,826
the wheel, but I know Crohn's and Kaleitus has something

1678
02:03:11,866 --> 02:03:14,226
like that. But is that something that we think we

1679
02:03:14,266 --> 02:03:16,386
might be able to do? Or maybe it already exists.

1680
02:03:19,724 --> 02:03:23,223
Through the chair, thank you for the question. The part

1681
02:03:23,244 --> 02:03:26,023
of Enhancing our digital resources will be looking at the

1682
02:03:26,124 --> 02:03:28,583
resources and the map that's available on the city's website

1683
02:03:29,324 --> 02:03:30,663
and building on some of the work that we did

1684
02:03:30,764 --> 02:03:34,583
through the situational analysis to, um, map out all of

1685
02:03:34,583 --> 02:03:39,223
the Publique locations. So we would be looking at ways

1686
02:03:39,324 --> 02:03:42,343
to make that resource as accessible and available to the

1687
02:03:42,383 --> 02:03:44,823
public as possible in ways that it might be available

1688
02:03:45,564 --> 02:03:48,583
on a mobile device through that work. Uh, we also

1689
02:03:48,844 --> 02:03:55,063
have been working with Crohn's and Clydeus Canada through the

1690
02:03:55,084 --> 02:03:59,223
external working group had them represented at that table and

1691
02:03:59,263 --> 02:04:02,183
hope to continue the conversations about the Go Heerhab and

1692
02:04:02,183 --> 02:04:05,543
making sure that our resources and our maps, um, that

1693
02:04:05,583 --> 02:04:08,663
outline where the city's toilets are available on their app

1694
02:04:08,703 --> 02:04:12,343
as well. Okay. Perfect. Well, thank you. Um, it feels

1695
02:04:12,343 --> 02:04:15,383
like it's almost there. And I appreciate that. And so

1696
02:04:15,564 --> 02:04:18,343
maybe I'll move the recommendation and report if it's not

1697
02:04:18,383 --> 02:04:22,266
too late to do that. Okay. It's removed seconded. Um,

1698
02:04:23,507 --> 02:04:26,446
I don't see any other comments or questions. So I'll

1699
02:04:26,446 --> 02:04:30,604
call the question all in favor. All opposed. Carrie. Thank

1700
02:04:30,604 --> 02:04:32,684
you. Thank you for the work on this. It's been

1701
02:04:32,684 --> 02:04:34,684
quite a while. And I really appreciate they were moving

1702
02:04:34,684 --> 02:04:44,573
forward on this. And yeah, thanks. Item 411 is new

1703
02:04:44,613 --> 02:04:48,493
Westminster of School District's eligible school sites proposal. Um, and

1704
02:04:48,594 --> 02:04:52,251
that is Councillor Fontana. Thank you Mr. Mayor. I do

1705
02:04:52,251 --> 02:04:55,291
have just two relatively quick questions for staff. The first

1706
02:04:55,291 --> 02:04:58,971
is pertaining to the report itself. I noticed it was

1707
02:04:59,392 --> 02:05:02,651
absent of any reference to a new high school in

1708
02:05:02,912 --> 02:05:06,891
Queensborough. And I'm wondering if staff can comment where this

1709
02:05:06,891 --> 02:05:10,971
is on the radar in terms of school board and

1710
02:05:10,971 --> 02:05:14,211
city and discussions around location of a site. Because I

1711
02:05:14,211 --> 02:05:16,971
am worried that we're in 2026 and it's still not

1712
02:05:16,971 --> 02:05:20,411
even close to being referenced as anywhere near. It looks

1713
02:05:20,451 --> 02:05:22,891
like a top priority. And I keep hearing from parents

1714
02:05:23,072 --> 02:05:26,491
and Queen Sparrow that, um, you know, they've been waiting

1715
02:05:26,512 --> 02:05:29,371
patiently for a high school and to read a report

1716
02:05:29,371 --> 02:05:32,171
like this without even any reference of that is beyond

1717
02:05:32,192 --> 02:05:35,371
disappointing and given that the students are having to cross

1718
02:05:35,371 --> 02:05:37,371
the Queen's Burbridge every day. So if staff can just

1719
02:05:37,411 --> 02:05:40,331
help me to better understand where this, um, high school

1720
02:05:40,512 --> 02:05:47,005
in Queensborough fits within the context of this report. Development.

1721
02:05:49,349 --> 02:05:52,325
Or. Yes. So through the chair, I have Meredith Scene

1722
02:05:52,325 --> 02:05:55,605
here. She'll provide a response. She's our senior line spunter.

1723
02:05:57,108 --> 02:06:01,887
Thanks through the chair. Um, yeah, so the report alludes

1724
02:06:01,887 --> 02:06:05,327
to the update to the long range facilities plan at

1725
02:06:05,327 --> 02:06:08,527
the school district is working on. And, um, they've so

1726
02:06:08,527 --> 02:06:12,447
far just shared some preliminary directions. They explored some scenarios

1727
02:06:12,628 --> 02:06:16,047
and they're going down a path where they're moving from,

1728
02:06:16,047 --> 02:06:19,327
um, elementary schools middle schools high schools towards just having

1729
02:06:19,828 --> 02:06:25,007
elementary schools and high schools. And specifically the scenario that

1730
02:06:25,828 --> 02:06:29,807
they supported at their June 16th meeting was about exploring

1731
02:06:30,308 --> 02:06:33,887
Tweets Mirror Elementary becoming shifting over time towards being a

1732
02:06:33,988 --> 02:06:39,727
junior secondary school and accommodating significantly more, um, some of

1733
02:06:39,727 --> 02:06:44,951
the high school population school capacity needs. And, um, staff

1734
02:06:45,292 --> 02:06:48,311
hasn't received their full long range facilities plan yet. I

1735
02:06:48,351 --> 02:06:52,151
understand it's going towards the school board targeting for this

1736
02:06:52,191 --> 02:06:56,951
fall. So, uh, we haven't received anything about future of

1737
02:06:57,372 --> 02:07:00,151
a high school in Queensborough. But what we do see

1738
02:07:00,492 --> 02:07:05,991
in the capital plan is some funding your mark application

1739
02:07:06,012 --> 02:07:10,471
for, uh, for renovating Queensborough middle school into becoming also

1740
02:07:10,652 --> 02:07:15,031
an elementary school. And then presumably some of that tweets

1741
02:07:15,132 --> 02:07:19,431
mere renovated site would accommodate high school students as well.

1742
02:07:20,844 --> 02:07:23,623
Okay. Thank you for that update. Um, I don't have

1743
02:07:23,663 --> 02:07:25,623
anything further on that other than to say that even

1744
02:07:25,663 --> 02:07:27,783
if the kids were at tweets mere, they still have

1745
02:07:27,783 --> 02:07:30,263
to cross the queen's bro bridge. So while it's a

1746
02:07:30,263 --> 02:07:33,383
little shorter distance for them, it still is, um, an

1747
02:07:33,383 --> 02:07:36,743
incredible, um, inconvenience and the still will likely be a

1748
02:07:36,743 --> 02:07:38,423
long time for them to get to and from school.

1749
02:07:38,423 --> 02:07:41,063
So I'm still interested in that and look forward to

1750
02:07:41,164 --> 02:07:44,023
getting a report back from the school board. And hopefully

1751
02:07:44,063 --> 02:07:48,023
there is some indication there. Lastly, just in reference to,

1752
02:07:48,023 --> 02:07:51,383
um, I was intrigued by the whole concept of beginning

1753
02:07:51,404 --> 02:07:55,463
to charge, uh, school acquisition fees. And I know it's

1754
02:07:55,463 --> 02:07:59,463
not being, um, reproved in here. But can staff comment

1755
02:07:59,484 --> 02:08:01,463
a little bit about how this is going to work

1756
02:08:01,463 --> 02:08:05,143
for Council. If we start charging them on smaller, kind

1757
02:08:05,143 --> 02:08:10,903
of more micro development projects and not the big ones.

1758
02:08:10,903 --> 02:08:16,183
When would we anticipate actually charging beginning to charge? Are

1759
02:08:16,183 --> 02:08:18,983
we concerned at all around the issue of affordable housing

1760
02:08:19,804 --> 02:08:22,823
and this just being tacked onto the cost again of

1761
02:08:22,844 --> 02:08:25,543
the construction of a new home. And that's just passed

1762
02:08:25,564 --> 02:08:29,863
along obviously to the end purchaser. Um, I don't know,

1763
02:08:29,863 --> 02:08:32,103
I don't need to get a detailed because obviously this

1764
02:08:32,143 --> 02:08:34,423
is coming back to counsel, but the census is the

1765
02:08:34,423 --> 02:08:36,343
first time I think I've seen this in a report

1766
02:08:36,383 --> 02:08:39,086
that this is coming forward. And I was bitten. Yeah.

1767
02:08:39,107 --> 02:08:41,486
It is something through the chair. Um, it's something that

1768
02:08:41,827 --> 02:08:44,766
school district staff raised with us. Um, the exemption in

1769
02:08:44,766 --> 02:08:48,206
the local government Act for not charging school side acquisition

1770
02:08:48,307 --> 02:08:52,766
charges on, on development projects of four units or less.

1771
02:08:52,766 --> 02:08:56,046
And, um, that hasn't been typically something we see much

1772
02:08:56,067 --> 02:08:58,126
of in the city, but we have a newly minted

1773
02:08:58,227 --> 02:09:01,886
info housing program. And so school district staff raised that

1774
02:09:01,886 --> 02:09:05,566
as a consideration. And although the bylaw for school site

1775
02:09:05,566 --> 02:09:10,046
acquisition charges is a school district, Bylan Government Act Awarding

1776
02:09:10,046 --> 02:09:12,926
is that it's the local government that could pass a

1777
02:09:12,966 --> 02:09:18,606
bylaw to override that exemption. So we, um, have in

1778
02:09:18,606 --> 02:09:21,886
response to that request from School District staff suggested that

1779
02:09:21,886 --> 02:09:25,086
we could bring a report back to Council that includes

1780
02:09:25,086 --> 02:09:28,926
some financial consideration on, you know, the school site acquistational

1781
02:09:28,966 --> 02:09:37,166
charge for low density is perhaps small compared to all

1782
02:09:37,267 --> 02:09:41,726
the fees and infrastructure and amenity pieces that go into

1783
02:09:42,147 --> 02:09:45,886
advancing a project, but we recognise that every piece adds

1784
02:09:45,886 --> 02:09:48,526
to that. So we want to bring a more fusome

1785
02:09:48,526 --> 02:09:52,000
report forward on that. Okay. Good to know. And I

1786
02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:55,360
agree that while a thousand dollars in itself isn't perhaps,

1787
02:09:55,360 --> 02:09:57,840
um, significant amount when you add it to all the

1788
02:09:57,861 --> 02:10:00,640
layer upon layer upon layer of additional fees and charges

1789
02:10:00,741 --> 02:10:03,580
that go on to the development, it does then, um,

1790
02:10:03,861 --> 02:10:07,840
add to the affordability issue of making housing affordable. So,

1791
02:10:07,880 --> 02:10:10,080
so just so I'm clear then, um, this will have

1792
02:10:10,080 --> 02:10:17,160
to be a counsel decision to bypass the exemption, I

1793
02:10:17,160 --> 02:10:19,040
guess. Yeah. So we have to counsel. We'll have to

1794
02:10:19,040 --> 02:10:23,280
decide. And that won't come until I'm assuming into 2027.

1795
02:10:23,280 --> 02:10:27,284
I'm assuming that report like from a timing perspective. So

1796
02:10:27,785 --> 02:10:29,684
through the chariot, when we bring forth a report then

1797
02:10:29,684 --> 02:10:31,604
we would bring forward a timeline for one that would

1798
02:10:31,604 --> 02:10:33,844
be plus forward. Okay. Thank you. So then we'll get

1799
02:10:33,844 --> 02:10:36,084
the report first and then the timeline will be in

1800
02:10:36,084 --> 02:10:38,244
the report. So okay, thank you very much. That's with

1801
02:10:38,265 --> 02:10:40,724
that Mr. Mayor. I can move the motion if you'd

1802
02:10:40,724 --> 02:10:47,775
like to. It's been seconded. Okay. Uh, councillor Henderson. Thanks.

1803
02:10:47,775 --> 02:10:50,975
Um, yeah, looking forward to more information about the cost

1804
02:10:50,996 --> 02:10:53,295
charges. I think we have had a lot of conversations

1805
02:10:53,295 --> 02:10:58,095
about, um, uh, that growth needs to pay for growth.

1806
02:10:58,095 --> 02:11:01,135
And so I do think that there is potentially space

1807
02:11:01,156 --> 02:11:04,395
there for this and find a good balance there. Um,

1808
02:11:04,516 --> 02:11:07,775
because I, yeah, it has to come from somewhere. So,

1809
02:11:07,775 --> 02:11:10,575
um, we've had, uh, ample conversations about that around this

1810
02:11:10,575 --> 02:11:14,475
table. Um, the, um, I get this question a lot

1811
02:11:14,916 --> 02:11:17,935
around, you know, obviously this is the work of the

1812
02:11:17,956 --> 02:11:21,215
school board. And I will let them do their job.

1813
02:11:21,215 --> 02:11:22,815
Um, but I do get the question a lot about

1814
02:11:22,916 --> 02:11:25,855
why we can't just sort of pre - zone sites,

1815
02:11:25,855 --> 02:11:28,735
you know, across the city say, this is designated for

1816
02:11:29,556 --> 02:11:31,935
a school 30 years from now. And so I just

1817
02:11:31,975 --> 02:11:35,935
wonder if you can help clarify that. So, um, that

1818
02:11:35,956 --> 02:11:38,575
all of counsel has that same clear information that we

1819
02:11:38,575 --> 02:11:42,157
can share with residents when we're asked that question. Yeah,

1820
02:11:42,338 --> 02:11:46,596
certainly through the chair. So in as Councilman recall through

1821
02:11:46,596 --> 02:11:49,396
the most recent OCP update that went through, we did

1822
02:11:49,396 --> 02:11:51,796
make some amendments to the official community plan to allow

1823
02:11:51,977 --> 02:11:54,516
public schools in the vast majority of our land use

1824
02:11:54,556 --> 02:11:57,796
designations. Just for that reason so that, um, the land

1825
02:11:57,836 --> 02:12:00,516
use designation isn't a barrier when we get a proposal

1826
02:12:00,537 --> 02:12:05,653
for, for a public school site. In the past, in

1827
02:12:05,653 --> 02:12:08,893
long range facilities plans that the school district has advanced,

1828
02:12:08,893 --> 02:12:12,333
they've identified school needs like on a kind of a

1829
02:12:12,434 --> 02:12:16,253
school zone basis. So it's sort of broad areas of

1830
02:12:16,253 --> 02:12:21,293
the city and haven't disclosed site specific expectations for where

1831
02:12:21,333 --> 02:12:25,293
a school is anticipated to be. And so we haven't

1832
02:12:25,314 --> 02:12:27,213
been able to put those sites in the official community

1833
02:12:27,314 --> 02:12:31,373
plan. Um, and we've, through collaboration and discussion with school

1834
02:12:31,373 --> 02:12:35,693
district staff, have landed on that approach of broadly permitting

1835
02:12:35,714 --> 02:12:39,533
school, public schools throughout the city, um, but certainly we

1836
02:12:39,573 --> 02:12:42,973
look forward to seeing the updated long range facilities plan

1837
02:12:43,234 --> 02:12:46,413
this fall and see if there's, um, for be given

1838
02:12:46,413 --> 02:12:50,228
through our OCP to advance that work. Great. So if

1839
02:12:50,409 --> 02:12:54,788
I'm hearing you correctly, um, is this, the school board,

1840
02:12:54,788 --> 02:12:58,148
school district decide on sites and then would give that

1841
02:12:58,188 --> 02:13:01,188
information to the city. And if that, if they have

1842
02:13:01,228 --> 02:13:03,828
not decided on a specific site themselves, then we cannot

1843
02:13:04,089 --> 02:13:08,148
proactively, you know, say that over here in this corner,

1844
02:13:08,148 --> 02:13:09,508
there's going to be a school. So I just wanted

1845
02:13:09,508 --> 02:13:11,828
to confirm that because the question does come up about

1846
02:13:12,009 --> 02:13:15,428
why can't the city just, you know, decide or a

1847
02:13:15,428 --> 02:13:17,828
lot. And I think that the, um, the roles of

1848
02:13:17,929 --> 02:13:21,908
the school board versus the city are often confused Zing

1849
02:13:21,929 --> 02:13:24,608
to folks in the community. So I just wanted, um,

1850
02:13:25,049 --> 02:13:26,628
wanted to hear that from you. So thank you for

1851
02:13:26,628 --> 02:13:29,908
that. Um, and yeah, looking forward to, um, seeing all

1852
02:13:29,908 --> 02:13:35,348
these amazing schools get built. Thanks. Hey, thank you. Um,

1853
02:13:35,369 --> 02:13:37,348
I don't see any other questions. Uh, it's been moved

1854
02:13:37,388 --> 02:13:38,708
in second. I just want to say thank you for

1855
02:13:38,729 --> 02:13:41,968
this. Thanks for, and I'm glad to hear that, uh,

1856
02:13:41,968 --> 02:13:44,548
the school approved this. And now I'm assuming it sounds

1857
02:13:44,548 --> 02:13:47,104
like Council is going to approve this. I just think

1858
02:13:47,104 --> 02:13:49,244
it's great to be in a place now where, uh,

1859
02:13:49,365 --> 02:13:53,264
the school district and the city are together both planning

1860
02:13:53,445 --> 02:13:56,064
for schools for 10 years in the future and 15

1861
02:13:56,104 --> 02:13:59,904
years in the future, recognising that we, um, if we

1862
02:13:59,925 --> 02:14:03,184
get, if they get through there, uh, their facilities plan

1863
02:14:03,365 --> 02:14:06,464
and their work here, um, that they will be building,

1864
02:14:06,464 --> 02:14:09,084
we won't be having capacity crisis at our schools. And

1865
02:14:09,125 --> 02:14:13,344
that, um, that projects that counsel is approving that are

1866
02:14:13,344 --> 02:14:16,704
aligned with our official community plan, our projects that are

1867
02:14:16,885 --> 02:14:19,064
already included in the school's long - term planning. So

1868
02:14:19,064 --> 02:14:21,104
I think that's a really important message for the Community

1869
02:14:21,125 --> 02:14:27,744
to know that OCP approved our OCP aligned projects. We've

1870
02:14:27,744 --> 02:14:29,584
already accounted for that growth and the School system is

1871
02:14:29,584 --> 02:14:31,184
already accounted for that growth. And that's, that's part of

1872
02:14:31,184 --> 02:14:32,944
their long - term pie. That's really a good place

1873
02:14:32,984 --> 02:14:34,864
to be. I think it's worth a much better place

1874
02:14:34,904 --> 02:14:37,344
now than we were a decade or two ago about

1875
02:14:37,445 --> 02:14:39,984
how schools were planned. And so, um, I think all

1876
02:14:39,984 --> 02:14:42,064
we need now is to make sure that the province

1877
02:14:42,104 --> 02:14:44,064
does the work of actually investing in the schools that

1878
02:14:44,064 --> 02:14:47,424
we need to get built now that the plans exist.

1879
02:14:47,424 --> 02:14:50,064
And yeah, thank you. So I will call the question

1880
02:14:50,165 --> 02:14:56,520
at that all in favor. I'll oppose it's caring. Thank

1881
02:14:56,520 --> 02:15:05,328
you. Uh, Sony amendment by law. How's the agreement to

1882
02:15:05,328 --> 02:15:07,968
special event to allow it permit for 611 Agena Street.

1883
02:15:12,457 --> 02:15:14,996
I've lost track of who pulled this. This was Council

1884
02:15:15,097 --> 02:15:19,476
Dr. College. I need to recuse myself because I live

1885
02:15:19,497 --> 02:15:20,756
in proximity to this week.

1886
02:15:32,448 --> 02:15:36,572
I've got Councillor Minhas on the Q next. Yeah, Mr.

1887
02:15:36,572 --> 02:15:39,120
Mayor, I got to refuse myself as well. I live

1888
02:15:39,160 --> 02:15:41,440
right next to that. Okay. Yeah. Thank you.

1889
02:15:56,608 --> 02:15:58,667
Okay. We still have quorum accounts that are fun team.

1890
02:16:00,696 --> 02:16:04,533
Mr. Mayor, I need to recuse myself. I'm joking. Thank

1891
02:16:04,533 --> 02:16:07,733
you. No, I'm not leaving. Stay here. Um, I did

1892
02:16:07,754 --> 02:16:11,013
want to speak, um, to this item. I do have

1893
02:16:11,013 --> 02:16:16,213
a few questions first about the, uh, proposal at 611

1894
02:16:16,253 --> 02:16:24,853
Agnustry. Given the discussion we had earlier today, um, guest

1895
02:16:24,893 --> 02:16:27,813
suite, um, wondering, does this come with a guest suite

1896
02:16:27,813 --> 02:16:30,973
already in it? It sounds like they are kind of

1897
02:16:30,973 --> 02:16:33,733
like now considered a standard fair. But I just want

1898
02:16:33,733 --> 02:16:35,733
to confirm that the guest suites already there. We don't,

1899
02:16:35,733 --> 02:16:37,733
we won't have to go through a process of yet.

1900
02:16:37,733 --> 02:16:40,213
So I'm seeing staff not. So that's good. Thank you

1901
02:16:40,213 --> 02:16:44,292
very much. The other question I have pertains to amenity

1902
02:16:44,332 --> 02:16:49,652
cost charges. So this particular building, because it's, uh, a

1903
02:16:49,652 --> 02:16:52,932
rental building, there are no amenity cost charges. So if

1904
02:16:53,033 --> 02:16:56,932
we would have charged amenity cost charges, what would that

1905
02:16:56,953 --> 02:17:03,401
have totaled. Uh, direct planning development. So for the chair,

1906
02:17:03,401 --> 02:17:06,899
I have Edison Tank, we'll provide response to that. So

1907
02:17:06,939 --> 02:17:09,519
through the merit to Councillor Fontaine. So we have, uh,

1908
02:17:09,880 --> 02:17:14,372
ACC was applied. It'll be about 7 million. 7 million

1909
02:17:14,412 --> 02:17:19,840
dollars. Okay. Okay. Um, so Mr. Mayor, I'm not going

1910
02:17:19,840 --> 02:17:22,880
to be supporting this project this evening. I have a

1911
02:17:22,880 --> 02:17:25,280
feeling it's going to pass, but I will not be

1912
02:17:25,461 --> 02:17:28,000
supporting it this evening. What we have in front of

1913
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:34,240
us, uh, tonight is a 37 story tower with 323

1914
02:17:34,341 --> 02:17:38,000
units. We also, it's downtown on Agenda Street. We also

1915
02:17:38,101 --> 02:17:42,400
have, um, an infrastructure I've mentioned it before, an infrastructure

1916
02:17:42,501 --> 02:17:46,080
desert in the downtown, some call it infrastructure deficit. This

1917
02:17:46,421 --> 02:17:50,880
tower, uh, based on my kind of back end estimation

1918
02:17:52,101 --> 02:17:57,100
will bring in approximately 750, up to 750 people. Um,

1919
02:17:57,621 --> 02:18:00,160
based on kind of some forecasting, there could be up

1920
02:18:00,261 --> 02:18:04,560
to 80 students based on what, uh, the numbers are

1921
02:18:04,600 --> 02:18:08,080
for the amount of units in there. We know we

1922
02:18:08,080 --> 02:18:11,280
were just talking about schools. We know that cocate elementary

1923
02:18:11,541 --> 02:18:17,093
downtown had already has multiple portables. Absolutely overcrowded. And in

1924
02:18:17,093 --> 02:18:20,133
fact, when you talk about overcrowded schools, uh, that's pretty

1925
02:18:20,133 --> 02:18:23,973
much, uh, standard fair for newestminster. Many of our schools

1926
02:18:24,474 --> 02:18:28,213
are at capacity and well beyond. And as a result,

1927
02:18:28,213 --> 02:18:31,773
we have, I believe on a per capita basis, if

1928
02:18:31,773 --> 02:18:34,613
not the highest one of the highest amounts of portables

1929
02:18:35,114 --> 02:18:37,733
in the entire province of British Columbia, I think only

1930
02:18:37,834 --> 02:18:41,333
City might be competitive to us. Not a place we

1931
02:18:41,373 --> 02:18:45,333
want to be. We know Mr. Mayor, this counsel in

1932
02:18:45,333 --> 02:18:49,093
this term of counsels approved nine towers, 50 stories at

1933
02:18:49,114 --> 02:18:53,333
Columbia Square. We've recently approved at Royal Towers 240 story

1934
02:18:53,373 --> 02:18:57,173
towers and two smaller towers on that site. We've also

1935
02:18:57,914 --> 02:19:02,133
counsels approved a 40 story condo tower and, uh, hotel

1936
02:19:02,794 --> 02:19:06,213
down at 8th and Canarvin. And the other towers that

1937
02:19:06,234 --> 02:19:09,013
have been approved in the downtown too many to actually

1938
02:19:09,594 --> 02:19:13,790
mention tonight in my limited time. We also know Mr.

1939
02:19:13,830 --> 02:19:16,830
Mayor that the downtown. We've heard loud and clear from

1940
02:19:16,851 --> 02:19:21,390
the residents there that they have concerns about the fact

1941
02:19:21,390 --> 02:19:24,350
that they don't have a community centre downtown. They do

1942
02:19:24,390 --> 02:19:28,350
not have a full service library. Um, they might have

1943
02:19:28,531 --> 02:19:32,030
a kiosk kind of a vending machine similar to what

1944
02:19:32,131 --> 02:19:36,750
you would get, um, coke and pretzels and chips at.

1945
02:19:36,771 --> 02:19:39,550
You do have a kiosk, but not an actual library.

1946
02:19:39,550 --> 02:19:43,550
There is no fire hall downtown. And we hear constantly

1947
02:19:43,651 --> 02:19:47,390
that there's not enough, uh, green space parks, et cetera,

1948
02:19:47,390 --> 02:19:50,430
in the downtown course. So that's all a matter of

1949
02:19:50,430 --> 02:19:53,630
fact. I mean, this isn't anything that probably hasn't been,

1950
02:19:53,630 --> 02:19:58,464
um, spoken about here, uh, prior. We've just heard that

1951
02:19:59,125 --> 02:20:02,544
this particular project, which is likely going to be approved

1952
02:20:02,725 --> 02:20:07,184
tonight, 37 story tower. 7 million dollars. And I don't

1953
02:20:07,184 --> 02:20:11,104
blame the proponent, they're following the rules. But if counsel

1954
02:20:11,104 --> 02:20:14,704
approves this tonight, um, had we charged amenity charges on

1955
02:20:14,704 --> 02:20:19,504
this and not exempted this building. 7 million dollars could

1956
02:20:19,544 --> 02:20:23,785
have gone towards a library. 7 million dollars could have

1957
02:20:23,785 --> 02:20:26,505
gone towards a new community centre in the downtown. There

1958
02:20:26,545 --> 02:20:29,465
could have been 7 million dollars more towards public amenities

1959
02:20:30,366 --> 02:20:34,416
in the downtown. That's not going to happen tonight. Simply

1960
02:20:34,456 --> 02:20:37,216
not going to happen tonight. And sadly, uh, what I'm

1961
02:20:37,216 --> 02:20:39,696
talking about this evening has happened time and time and

1962
02:20:39,717 --> 02:20:44,416
time again where these towers get approved. There are no

1963
02:20:44,456 --> 02:20:47,976
amenity contributions charged. And as a result of that, we

1964
02:20:48,357 --> 02:20:50,736
are cramming in more and more people in the downtown

1965
02:20:50,917 --> 02:20:54,656
core with less and less infrastructure and public amenities, which

1966
02:20:54,656 --> 02:20:58,176
is not a recipe, in my opinion, for building complete

1967
02:20:58,216 --> 02:21:01,976
communities. We are building a lot of, um, housing. We

1968
02:21:01,976 --> 02:21:05,776
are not building complete communities. We are building in this

1969
02:21:05,776 --> 02:21:09,337
case. While it's not listed in the report, um, I

1970
02:21:09,337 --> 02:21:13,097
just have to look, for example, um, in the building

1971
02:21:13,137 --> 02:21:16,617
that was constructed not more than a stone's throw from

1972
02:21:16,657 --> 02:21:19,817
my own home in the moody park area, the rents

1973
02:21:19,857 --> 02:21:23,877
there are incredible. A market rents 2, 000, 3, 000

1974
02:21:23,877 --> 02:21:29,337
dollars for units. And they're not luxury condos. They're just

1975
02:21:29,678 --> 02:21:33,337
not luxury apartments. They're just apartments. And yet these towers

1976
02:21:33,377 --> 02:21:36,217
are going up. The owners of these towers are charging

1977
02:21:36,718 --> 02:21:41,177
market rents making money handover fist and no money is

1978
02:21:41,217 --> 02:21:43,977
going into public amenities as a result. And this council

1979
02:21:44,017 --> 02:21:47,337
has been approving them. One, after another, after another, after

1980
02:21:47,358 --> 02:21:51,677
another. And I'm not prepared to do that tonight. I

1981
02:21:51,738 --> 02:21:54,677
haven't been for previous projects and I will not support

1982
02:21:54,698 --> 02:21:59,077
that until this council puts its money where its mouth

1983
02:21:59,117 --> 02:22:02,757
is and that we're charging the, uh, developers of these,

1984
02:22:02,757 --> 02:22:07,157
uh, towers amenity, community charges so that we can invest

1985
02:22:07,338 --> 02:22:10,197
in the libraries and the community centres that we need.

1986
02:22:10,197 --> 02:22:13,037
So I will not, Mr. Mayor, be supporting this. I

1987
02:22:13,098 --> 02:22:15,957
have no doubt the project will get approved. If past

1988
02:22:15,997 --> 02:22:18,997
history is any indication, this will get the supportive council

1989
02:22:19,098 --> 02:22:21,237
like all the other towers have been approved. But I'm

1990
02:22:21,237 --> 02:22:24,437
not prepared to do this. I'd rather pull back on

1991
02:22:24,437 --> 02:22:29,397
this. Have a discussion with, uh, with the developer trying

1992
02:22:29,437 --> 02:22:32,917
to look at finding policies that actually help build those

1993
02:22:32,957 --> 02:22:36,997
complete communities, build those public amenities and address that infrastructure

1994
02:22:37,178 --> 02:22:42,357
deficit. And that infrastructure desert that unfortunately is our downtown.

1995
02:22:42,357 --> 02:22:46,484
Thanks so much. Thank you, Councillor Carell. Um, sure. So

1996
02:22:46,825 --> 02:22:49,444
one of the challenges that we have in New Westminster

1997
02:22:49,545 --> 02:22:58,084
is, um, having commercial office space. And so for me,

1998
02:22:58,084 --> 02:23:01,024
one of the benefits of this is actually having, um,

1999
02:23:01,785 --> 02:23:05,984
that opportunity to increase. Um, and as we know, one

2000
02:23:05,984 --> 02:23:09,684
of the other issues is having tenure that is rental.

2001
02:23:09,684 --> 02:23:12,644
Um, so for me, this as well as the daycare

2002
02:23:12,985 --> 02:23:14,964
as well as some of the other amenities does make

2003
02:23:14,985 --> 02:23:19,124
sense. Um, it is something that's on a pivotal corner

2004
02:23:19,145 --> 02:23:24,304
that we know needs a significant public realm update. Um,

2005
02:23:24,745 --> 02:23:28,484
in terms of other contributions, I believe if staff can

2006
02:23:29,385 --> 02:23:32,444
correct me, um, the development cost charges. Maybe you can

2007
02:23:32,444 --> 02:23:35,284
share how much we'll be contributed to the city in

2008
02:23:35,324 --> 02:23:40,728
development cost charges. Director of Plain Development. So through the

2009
02:23:40,768 --> 02:23:44,008
chair, I'll pass this question over to Addison and Mike

2010
02:23:44,048 --> 02:23:46,875
Watson. Yeah. So blue to me or do Councillor Campbell

2011
02:23:47,776 --> 02:23:50,795
based on current amount. It'll be about 7 million in

2012
02:23:50,835 --> 02:23:55,671
DCC. Okay. So the city will receive 7 million DCCs.

2013
02:23:55,671 --> 02:24:00,471
Okay. And my understanding is, is that the correction, 3.

2014
02:24:00,511 --> 02:24:02,711
2, my bad. 3. 2 million. Okay. Thank you. Yeah.

2015
02:24:02,892 --> 02:24:05,431
No, that's good. And my understanding is the amenity cost

2016
02:24:05,471 --> 02:24:08,911
charges would not have been applicable to this project. Is

2017
02:24:08,911 --> 02:24:13,062
that correct? Yeah. The way in the IT Council at

2018
02:24:13,062 --> 02:24:15,862
Temple. That's correct. Yeah. And it's not that we waved

2019
02:24:15,862 --> 02:24:18,902
it. It just wouldn't have been applicable. Yeah. Okay. Uh,

2020
02:24:18,902 --> 02:24:22,502
so it's not like we're, um, not. Yeah. So that's,

2021
02:24:22,542 --> 02:24:26,179
that's helpful. It's a different context. Not waiting at versus

2022
02:24:26,200 --> 02:24:29,939
not being applicable. Um, so I mean, we've had numerous

2023
02:24:29,960 --> 02:24:33,459
conversations at our arts culture, economic development advisory committee in

2024
02:24:33,459 --> 02:24:36,179
terms of commercial lease space. We've also had lots of

2025
02:24:36,200 --> 02:24:39,539
conversations with the downtown business improvement association and the chamber

2026
02:24:40,280 --> 02:24:46,499
all looking at revitalizing downtown numester recognising that we also

2027
02:24:46,539 --> 02:24:49,379
need amenities. And that's a conversation that, as we saw

2028
02:24:49,400 --> 02:24:52,739
from the previous report, we're having, uh, with this school

2029
02:24:52,779 --> 02:24:55,819
board, um, continue to have with the school board. So

2030
02:24:55,819 --> 02:24:59,139
that's not something that we take lightly. Those are conversations

2031
02:24:59,179 --> 02:25:03,859
that happen concurrently. Um, and in terms of other community

2032
02:25:03,859 --> 02:25:07,619
space downtown, we know that we've just, uh, negotiated with

2033
02:25:07,659 --> 02:25:10,259
the Fraser of Discovery Centre to have half of that

2034
02:25:10,360 --> 02:25:13,219
building that we can now serve as a public space

2035
02:25:13,800 --> 02:25:17,699
in Envil Centre, uh, given the 10 year review that

2036
02:25:17,739 --> 02:25:20,539
we've had, we're looking at different uses of that. So

2037
02:25:21,000 --> 02:25:23,219
agree, you know, we need to have more public spaces

2038
02:25:23,259 --> 02:25:27,299
downtown, Newismester. And fortunately, we're doing that good work too.

2039
02:25:27,299 --> 02:25:30,179
And so we will, um, and like I said, we'll

2040
02:25:30,219 --> 02:25:34,579
have some more commercial space. So I support this project

2041
02:25:35,080 --> 02:25:39,139
and appreciate the proponent coming back to us and tweaking

2042
02:25:39,139 --> 02:25:44,341
it after addressing some of the needs. Thank you. Thank

2043
02:25:44,341 --> 02:25:48,618
you. Um, Councillor Fonting. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I think

2044
02:25:48,639 --> 02:25:51,578
it's important to, you know, facts matter. And we don't

2045
02:25:51,578 --> 02:25:54,218
want to leave this meeting here tonight with people being,

2046
02:25:54,218 --> 02:25:57,898
uh, perhaps confused. I just want to clarify. So the

2047
02:25:58,159 --> 02:26:02,858
interim density bonus policy can staff advise me who passed

2048
02:26:02,898 --> 02:26:09,157
that policy. Councillor Fontaine, I'm going to respectfully ask you

2049
02:26:09,178 --> 02:26:11,957
not to ask rhetorical question to count two members of

2050
02:26:11,997 --> 02:26:14,717
staff. That's, you know the answer to that question. I

2051
02:26:14,717 --> 02:26:16,277
know the answer to the question. You're free to answer

2052
02:26:16,298 --> 02:26:18,117
it for the public, but I don't, I just don't

2053
02:26:18,117 --> 02:26:20,917
like rhetorical questions being asked the staff in a political

2054
02:26:20,917 --> 02:26:23,421
debate. Thank you. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Mayorwell.

2055
02:26:23,421 --> 02:26:26,701
And I will clarify. So my understanding is that the

2056
02:26:27,042 --> 02:26:30,801
interim density bonus policy was passed by council. This is

2057
02:26:30,982 --> 02:26:35,425
a council decision. So my colleague just made a comment

2058
02:26:35,465 --> 02:26:39,105
here which, uh, if you had just interpreted it without

2059
02:26:39,126 --> 02:26:43,665
knowing that there's an interim density bonus policy passed by

2060
02:26:43,766 --> 02:26:49,061
this counsel, not necessarily this one per se. Previous ones.

2061
02:26:49,061 --> 02:26:54,015
This interim density bonus policy. If it were not in

2062
02:26:54,055 --> 02:26:57,535
effect, it was passed by this counsel. We would be

2063
02:26:57,876 --> 02:27:04,211
tonight talking about 7 million dollars. Being allocated potentially to

2064
02:27:04,232 --> 02:27:06,931
a library or a community centre. So it is not

2065
02:27:08,712 --> 02:27:11,731
to me clear to make a comment in this chamber

2066
02:27:11,771 --> 02:27:14,291
that we haven't waived or not waived. Of course we

2067
02:27:14,392 --> 02:27:17,496
haven't waived it. Why would we need to waive at

2068
02:27:17,536 --> 02:27:20,136
counsel has made the decision to waive a long time

2069
02:27:20,136 --> 02:27:24,346
ago. As I said earlier, building after building after building

2070
02:27:24,367 --> 02:27:29,546
after building has had these amenity cost charges, waived because

2071
02:27:29,727 --> 02:27:33,466
counsel said that the benefit to the public is market

2072
02:27:33,487 --> 02:27:41,440
rental. Whatever it is, these units that are going into

2073
02:27:41,480 --> 02:27:45,859
the community at astronomical rents. Is being deemed to be

2074
02:27:46,120 --> 02:27:49,105
a public benefit. And as a result of it being

2075
02:27:49,126 --> 02:27:52,785
a public benefits, 7 million dollars because of this policy

2076
02:27:53,286 --> 02:27:56,578
is not going in. I can't tell you how often

2077
02:27:56,759 --> 02:27:59,618
I hear from families. And I've said it before and

2078
02:27:59,618 --> 02:28:01,938
I'll say it again tonight time and time again, they

2079
02:28:02,039 --> 02:28:05,058
want new parks. They want new playgrounds. They want new

2080
02:28:05,079 --> 02:28:07,778
community centres. They want new libraries. The only way we're

2081
02:28:07,778 --> 02:28:10,898
going to pay for that is if we are charging

2082
02:28:10,999 --> 02:28:14,738
things like amenity cost charges to projects like this so

2083
02:28:14,778 --> 02:28:16,498
we can put money into the bank. The money doesn't

2084
02:28:16,519 --> 02:28:20,376
come from anywhere else other than taxation. So I want

2085
02:28:20,376 --> 02:28:23,736
to be very, very clear that this interim density bonus

2086
02:28:23,776 --> 02:28:27,416
policy is a policy of counsel. It is a directive

2087
02:28:27,456 --> 02:28:31,096
of counsel directing staff. The developer is doing what the

2088
02:28:31,096 --> 02:28:33,736
developer is going to do. And staff are doing only

2089
02:28:33,757 --> 02:28:36,216
what counsel has told them to do, which is to

2090
02:28:36,477 --> 02:28:41,736
waive the seven million dollar charge and to take market

2091
02:28:41,837 --> 02:28:45,576
rentals, which as I said can be two three thousand

2092
02:28:45,616 --> 02:28:50,776
dollars for a one bedroom apartment that I simply don't

2093
02:28:50,776 --> 02:28:52,776
agree with that. That's why I'm not going to be

2094
02:28:52,776 --> 02:28:55,096
supporting it. But I want to clear the record that,

2095
02:28:55,096 --> 02:28:57,736
uh, the issue of waving or not waiving. It is

2096
02:28:57,997 --> 02:29:01,336
policy. It has been policy for this council for many,

2097
02:29:01,376 --> 02:29:04,136
many years. And we haven't had a single debater discussion

2098
02:29:04,136 --> 02:29:06,056
on this in four years. They just keep getting approved

2099
02:29:06,157 --> 02:29:08,696
over and over again. And as a result, the infrastructure

2100
02:29:08,717 --> 02:29:12,296
deficit and the infrastructure desert only gets worse in our

2101
02:29:12,296 --> 02:29:17,166
downtown and beyond. Thank you. Hey, thank you. Um, I

2102
02:29:17,206 --> 02:29:20,426
will follow that up by just clarifying the record. The

2103
02:29:20,426 --> 02:29:26,366
interim density polic interim density, um, policy was passed by

2104
02:29:26,467 --> 02:29:34,032
this council. Second, the amenity cost charges tool was not

2105
02:29:34,133 --> 02:29:37,152
waived. The amenities cost charges tool did not exist when

2106
02:29:37,733 --> 02:29:40,672
this proposal was brought to council. It did not exist.

2107
02:29:40,672 --> 02:29:42,672
It was out of tool available for this application because

2108
02:29:42,933 --> 02:29:47,452
the application long precedes long proceeds the ACC tools. The

2109
02:29:47,452 --> 02:29:51,712
ACC tool was not waived for this. The notion that

2110
02:29:52,213 --> 02:29:56,112
counsel is on a whim waving 7 million dollars in

2111
02:29:56,152 --> 02:29:59,632
amenity benefits. The Community on this project is simply not

2112
02:29:59,893 --> 02:30:02,272
factual. And it is not aligned with the way the

2113
02:30:02,312 --> 02:30:05,712
planning processes work in the city of New Westminster or

2114
02:30:05,893 --> 02:30:11,392
frankly in any other city. Um, the, I just want

2115
02:30:11,392 --> 02:30:14,112
to make sure that's clear. Um, other than that, I

2116
02:30:14,112 --> 02:30:16,912
mean, yeah, this is a project that is affordable. It

2117
02:30:17,013 --> 02:30:19,392
is, it is a rental building and it is a

2118
02:30:19,413 --> 02:30:23,312
commercial building in downtown in the tower district adjacent to

2119
02:30:23,312 --> 02:30:28,752
transit aligned with every policy around rental building in our

2120
02:30:28,792 --> 02:30:32,032
city around supporting the commercial density in our city around

2121
02:30:32,533 --> 02:30:35,952
family, friendly housing. And, um, yeah, I think it's, it's

2122
02:30:35,952 --> 02:30:38,912
been a long project to be developed in order to

2123
02:30:38,952 --> 02:30:42,832
fit in the space appropriately. And, um, I, uh, yeah,

2124
02:30:42,832 --> 02:30:45,792
and I have heard the concern again, raised once again

2125
02:30:45,832 --> 02:30:50,512
about schools. I just want to clarify that, um, replacement,

2126
02:30:50,512 --> 02:30:53,472
a new and expanded elementary school in downtown at Simcoe

2127
02:30:53,472 --> 02:30:56,592
to meet elementary school needs in downtown will be built

2128
02:30:57,173 --> 02:31:00,352
long before this building is completed. We have again, this

2129
02:31:00,373 --> 02:31:02,592
is a project that is aligned with her official community

2130
02:31:02,613 --> 02:31:05,472
plan. And that means that the density needs of the

2131
02:31:05,472 --> 02:31:07,632
schools are already included. This is one of the buildings

2132
02:31:07,813 --> 02:31:09,943
that is included in density of the schools. So. Um,

2133
02:31:10,284 --> 02:31:12,323
yep, that's, I just want to clarify those points. And

2134
02:31:12,444 --> 02:31:15,383
I am in support of this project. Councillor Campbell moved

2135
02:31:15,423 --> 02:31:21,211
the recommendation, please. Is there a seconder. And with that,

2136
02:31:21,211 --> 02:31:26,458
I will call Councillor Fontaine. Thank you, Mr. Merritt. Now

2137
02:31:26,458 --> 02:31:27,958
that the motions on the floor, I just want to

2138
02:31:28,099 --> 02:31:32,078
clarify, it does indicate here in the financial implication section.

2139
02:31:32,078 --> 02:31:33,678
I'm just going to read this. It says per the

2140
02:31:33,699 --> 02:31:37,438
interim density bonus policy as a development is secured market

2141
02:31:37,539 --> 02:31:43,212
rental. It is exempt. From density bonus requirements. If this

2142
02:31:43,212 --> 02:31:46,812
is the most important line, if counsel rejects this application,

2143
02:31:46,993 --> 02:31:50,972
any subsequent application would be subject to amenity cost charges,

2144
02:31:50,972 --> 02:31:55,112
unquote. Hence, if counsel doesn't support this project tonight, the

2145
02:31:55,112 --> 02:31:57,852
application would be subject to amenity cost charges, which we've

2146
02:31:57,852 --> 02:32:00,492
been told tonight would be in the neighbourhood of 7

2147
02:32:00,513 --> 02:32:03,212
million dollars So again, facts matter. And I think it's

2148
02:32:03,212 --> 02:32:07,425
important that that's clarified. And the statement made was at

2149
02:32:07,425 --> 02:32:10,385
the ACC's rewaved, which is an incorrect fact. And so

2150
02:32:10,406 --> 02:32:12,705
we will, we will leave it at that. I never

2151
02:32:12,705 --> 02:32:15,425
said they were waved. That was not my counts there,

2152
02:32:15,425 --> 02:32:18,305
Fontaine. No, but please, Mr. Mayor, I never made that

2153
02:32:18,305 --> 02:32:21,185
statement. So Councillor Fontaine, I don't want to have to

2154
02:32:21,206 --> 02:32:24,105
pay back the tape, but it was clearly said. So

2155
02:32:24,105 --> 02:32:25,905
anyway, we will move on. We will agree to disagree

2156
02:32:25,905 --> 02:32:27,265
on that and we will all look at the video

2157
02:32:27,366 --> 02:32:30,465
after and decide who, what was said. Thank you. Um,

2158
02:32:30,486 --> 02:32:33,425
so I will call the question on this all in

2159
02:32:33,465 --> 02:32:39,723
favor. All opposed. It's carried with Councillor Fontana Post. We

2160
02:32:39,723 --> 02:32:41,083
can get the other two counts there. It's into the

2161
02:32:41,083 --> 02:32:41,163
room.

2162
02:33:02,321 --> 02:33:07,180
Okay. The next item is item, uh, 415 Canada Post

2163
02:33:07,180 --> 02:33:10,460
Transition to Community Mailboxes in U. S. Münster. Um, I

2164
02:33:10,561 --> 02:33:12,060
pulled this just because I want to add to the

2165
02:33:12,100 --> 02:33:16,380
recommendation. The recommendation is that the report be received for

2166
02:33:16,420 --> 02:33:19,016
information. Um, I would actually like to add to that

2167
02:33:19,056 --> 02:33:24,055
recommendation I provided a copy for the cleric. Um, just

2168
02:33:24,396 --> 02:33:27,815
moving that council send correspondence to our member of parliament,

2169
02:33:27,815 --> 02:33:30,695
the Minister of Public Services and procurement and to Canada

2170
02:33:30,876 --> 02:33:33,655
Post expressing the concerns of the community that were set

2171
02:33:33,655 --> 02:33:36,461
out in the next steps of this report. And so

2172
02:33:36,482 --> 02:33:40,008
I would like to have moved that second. And, um,

2173
02:33:40,049 --> 02:33:42,108
I don't think I need to motivate this too much.

2174
02:33:42,108 --> 02:33:43,388
It's just, uh, we have heard. I mean, I know

2175
02:33:43,428 --> 02:33:46,388
other people along with, along as I'm along with me

2176
02:33:46,388 --> 02:33:49,148
have heard from members of the Community about concerns about,

2177
02:33:49,148 --> 02:33:53,388
uh, Canada Post transitioning away from door, door delivery in

2178
02:33:53,388 --> 02:33:57,628
large parts of New Westminster along with Burnaby Coquitlam, Pork

2179
02:33:57,628 --> 02:34:01,408
Equiltnum and Port Moody. Um, and I have talked to

2180
02:34:01,448 --> 02:34:03,328
some other mayors of those cities and they're also raising

2181
02:34:03,429 --> 02:34:06,848
similar concerns. And the two aspects. One being that this

2182
02:34:06,869 --> 02:34:10,928
is a significant change in service which disproportionately affects seniors

2183
02:34:11,029 --> 02:34:13,888
and people disabilities in our community. And the second is

2184
02:34:13,989 --> 02:34:16,528
that there are actual material costs to local governments for

2185
02:34:16,629 --> 02:34:20,128
this shift. We actually are going to suffer costs related

2186
02:34:20,168 --> 02:34:24,288
to hosting Community mailboxes in every residential neighbourhood in the

2187
02:34:24,288 --> 02:34:27,488
city. The city of Hamilton did a report a few

2188
02:34:27,528 --> 02:34:30,848
years ago, uh, figuring it would cost them about 500

2189
02:34:30,888 --> 02:34:33,328
dollars per box while making the post was willing to

2190
02:34:33,509 --> 02:34:37,488
compensate them about 50 dollars box. So we want to

2191
02:34:37,488 --> 02:34:39,888
make sure that we are sending correspondence to Canada Post

2192
02:34:39,928 --> 02:34:42,208
and to their appropriate level of government to let them

2193
02:34:42,208 --> 02:34:44,128
know that this is a concern to us. And we'd

2194
02:34:44,128 --> 02:34:45,808
like to let them to engage with us in a

2195
02:34:45,808 --> 02:34:49,168
conversation about, about what this house decision was made and

2196
02:34:49,208 --> 02:34:52,679
what the impacts in our community are. So. Uh, with

2197
02:34:52,679 --> 02:34:55,913
that, I don't have anyone on the queue. So I

2198
02:34:55,913 --> 02:34:59,029
will call the question all in favor. I'll oppose Kerry.

2199
02:35:01,038 --> 02:35:04,937
Next we have motions for discussion decision. Um, requesting an

2200
02:35:04,977 --> 02:35:08,537
independent section 765 review Council era Fontaine. You may read

2201
02:35:09,438 --> 02:35:11,957
the resolved portion. And if you have a secondary, you

2202
02:35:11,957 --> 02:35:17,126
may motivate. Sorry. Very cool. Uh, thank you Mr. Mayor.

2203
02:35:17,126 --> 02:35:21,286
I will read the motion submitted to Council. It reads,

2204
02:35:21,286 --> 02:35:23,286
therefore be it resolved that the city of New Westminster

2205
02:35:23,947 --> 02:35:26,886
formerly support the city of City's efforts to seek greater

2206
02:35:26,926 --> 02:35:31,846
transparency, accountability, and independent oversight regarding Metro Vancouver Governance and

2207
02:35:31,846 --> 02:35:34,774
the North Shore Wastewater Treatment Plan Project. Be it further

2208
02:35:34,774 --> 02:35:37,174
resolved that the city of New Westminster formerly request that

2209
02:35:37,214 --> 02:35:41,814
the inspector municipalities undertaken independent review or inquiry under Section

2210
02:35:42,075 --> 02:35:46,694
765 of the Local Government Act regarding governance oversight procurement

2211
02:35:46,875 --> 02:35:50,934
financial management and decision making processes associated with the North

2212
02:35:50,934 --> 02:35:54,976
Shore Wastewater treatment plant project. Be it further resolved. The

2213
02:35:54,976 --> 02:35:58,516
Council request the review examine whether existing Metro Vancouver governance

2214
02:35:58,537 --> 02:36:03,236
structures reporting practices and oversight mechanisms remain appropriate for the

2215
02:36:03,276 --> 02:36:07,476
scale and complexity of major regional infrastructure projects. Be it

2216
02:36:07,516 --> 02:36:09,796
further resolved at Council Affirm that the purpose of such

2217
02:36:09,897 --> 02:36:13,156
a review is to provide clarity, strength and public trust

2218
02:36:13,977 --> 02:36:17,796
identify lessons learned and improve accountability and governance practices for

2219
02:36:17,836 --> 02:36:22,196
future regional infrastructure projects and that be it further resolved

2220
02:36:22,377 --> 02:36:24,516
at copies of this motion before ited to the inspector

2221
02:36:24,556 --> 02:36:29,616
of municipalities, Metro Vancouver, all metro Vancouver member municipalities. The

2222
02:36:29,616 --> 02:36:32,116
Minister of Housing and Municipal Affairs, the Minister of Environment

2223
02:36:32,156 --> 02:36:36,941
at Parks and the Union of BC Municipalities. You may

2224
02:36:36,941 --> 02:36:41,363
motivate. You've been seconded. Thank you Mr. Mayor. I first

2225
02:36:41,363 --> 02:36:45,283
of all thank my colleagues for entertaining and this motion

2226
02:36:45,323 --> 02:36:49,763
here this evening and for council to entertain this. I

2227
02:36:49,803 --> 02:36:52,643
first off will note that our colleagues in both the

2228
02:36:52,643 --> 02:36:55,923
city of North Vancouver and the district of North Vancouver.

2229
02:36:55,923 --> 02:36:59,843
I believe it was just last week passed almost identical

2230
02:37:00,184 --> 02:37:07,203
motion requesting that the inspector municipalities under Section 765 undertake

2231
02:37:07,203 --> 02:37:10,163
this review. And I was really pleased to see that.

2232
02:37:10,163 --> 02:37:12,843
It is in addition to the city of Surrey. So

2233
02:37:12,843 --> 02:37:15,043
if we were to pass this motion tonight, there would

2234
02:37:15,043 --> 02:37:18,643
be four cities who would be requesting to the inspector

2235
02:37:18,683 --> 02:37:23,923
that this, um, truly independent review be undertaken. Um, Metro

2236
02:37:23,944 --> 02:37:28,883
Vancouver's review, in my opinion, is not truly independent Metro

2237
02:37:28,923 --> 02:37:31,843
Vancouver, the review that they're doing right now, they're paying

2238
02:37:31,883 --> 02:37:36,507
for it. Metro Vancouver, I watched a meeting where the

2239
02:37:36,608 --> 02:37:40,907
41 directors sat and debated and discussed. And then if

2240
02:37:40,947 --> 02:37:44,987
moved a motion to approve the scope of the review,

2241
02:37:44,987 --> 02:37:48,347
uh, and then Metro Vancouver will be receiving that review,

2242
02:37:48,347 --> 02:37:51,467
which will eventually be provided to the public. To me,

2243
02:37:51,507 --> 02:37:55,847
that does not meet the bear definition of independent. And

2244
02:37:55,847 --> 02:38:00,507
unfortunately, um, this type of review, um, this discussion we're

2245
02:38:00,547 --> 02:38:03,947
having tonight about Section 765. To me, should have been

2246
02:38:04,128 --> 02:38:08,187
happening at Metro Vancouver, but it's been happening in district

2247
02:38:08,208 --> 02:38:10,987
of North Vancouver, Surrey, and also the city of North

2248
02:38:11,027 --> 02:38:15,927
Vancouver now here tonight in New Sminster. I personally, um,

2249
02:38:16,208 --> 02:38:18,827
along with other elected leaders in this region wrote to

2250
02:38:18,827 --> 02:38:23,745
the federal auditor general, got no response. Asking them to

2251
02:38:24,086 --> 02:38:27,425
intervene on the North Shore Wastewater treatment plan. Wrote to

2252
02:38:27,425 --> 02:38:31,936
the provincial auditor general got no response. Wrote to the

2253
02:38:32,197 --> 02:38:37,036
minister. God, I've no response. Wrote to the premier, ask

2254
02:38:37,036 --> 02:38:41,744
the premier to intervene got no response. I reached out

2255
02:38:41,744 --> 02:38:45,184
to the chair Metro Vancouver asked for a meeting with

2256
02:38:45,224 --> 02:38:48,464
the chair of Metro Vancouver and was declined a request

2257
02:38:48,565 --> 02:38:52,944
to meet with the chair to discuss this issue of

2258
02:38:52,944 --> 02:38:56,368
the North Shore Wastewater Treatment Plan. Really all we're left

2259
02:38:56,408 --> 02:38:59,628
now is this one option, which is to send, um,

2260
02:38:59,669 --> 02:39:04,848
send this motion and to request section 756, sorry, 765

2261
02:39:06,149 --> 02:39:09,728
be invoked and that the inspector intervene. Just for the

2262
02:39:09,768 --> 02:39:12,448
benefits public and the benefit of counsel tonight, this does

2263
02:39:12,448 --> 02:39:15,568
not require the approval of a minister does not require

2264
02:39:15,589 --> 02:39:20,347
the approval of the premier. This is truly independent. Similar

2265
02:39:20,387 --> 02:39:23,387
to a public inquiry, not quite the same. If the

2266
02:39:23,408 --> 02:39:26,867
inspector comes in, they do have the ability to, as

2267
02:39:26,928 --> 02:39:29,307
I understand it, to subpoena. They do have the ability

2268
02:39:29,347 --> 02:39:34,347
to request, um, individuals be called in for, uh, testimony,

2269
02:39:34,347 --> 02:39:37,307
which is currently not the case with the review that

2270
02:39:37,488 --> 02:39:41,547
Metro Vancouver has undertaking because we already know that Axiuna,

2271
02:39:41,547 --> 02:39:44,427
the company for which, um, was the original contractor is

2272
02:39:44,427 --> 02:39:47,867
not subject to any requirement to provide information to the

2273
02:39:48,048 --> 02:39:51,730
consultants that Metro Vancouver has hired. I think the more

2274
02:39:51,751 --> 02:39:54,610
cities that approved these motions, the more likelyhood that the

2275
02:39:54,711 --> 02:39:58,290
inspector of municipalities can't ignore it, uh, four cities is

2276
02:39:58,290 --> 02:40:01,330
not an insignificant number of cities in the Metro Vancouver

2277
02:40:01,431 --> 02:40:04,370
area. And I would be remiss if I didn't remind

2278
02:40:04,631 --> 02:40:08,610
everyone tonight that this project started at 700 million dollars

2279
02:40:09,351 --> 02:40:13,341
is now nearing four billion dollars. And tonight if we

2280
02:40:13,341 --> 02:40:17,021
can get this past, I think perhaps taxpayers might get

2281
02:40:17,202 --> 02:40:20,301
some answers. They deserve those answers. Not only taxpayers and

2282
02:40:20,341 --> 02:40:23,741
U. S. Münster, but taxpayers in our region as well.

2283
02:40:23,741 --> 02:40:26,621
So tonight we have the opportunity, my opinion, to join

2284
02:40:26,642 --> 02:40:30,781
our colleagues in three other cities and making this ask.

2285
02:40:30,781 --> 02:40:33,501
I'm hoping and encouraging all my colleagues to support this

2286
02:40:33,602 --> 02:40:37,021
motion. And if we can get unanimous support from council,

2287
02:40:37,021 --> 02:40:39,181
I think that'll be a strong message like the unanimous

2288
02:40:39,202 --> 02:40:42,101
support and the North Shore and in Surrey. I think

2289
02:40:42,101 --> 02:40:44,621
that will send a very strong message to the inspector

2290
02:40:44,661 --> 02:40:47,821
to take this seriously, to undertake this review and to

2291
02:40:47,821 --> 02:40:51,181
provide taxpayers with, um, some clarity as to what happened

2292
02:40:51,221 --> 02:40:54,221
on this MECO project, which has gone so wrong financially.

2293
02:40:54,338 --> 02:41:00,521
Thanks, Mr. Bear. Thanks, Councillor Gawa. Thanks. I believe we

2294
02:41:00,622 --> 02:41:05,081
already passed something like this some time ago. So I

2295
02:41:05,081 --> 02:41:09,081
do think that this is redundant. Nevertheless, um, I'm willing

2296
02:41:09,121 --> 02:41:10,761
to support it. I didn't support it when it came

2297
02:41:11,022 --> 02:41:14,921
previously. Um, but now that Metro Vancouver has settled its

2298
02:41:15,022 --> 02:41:21,721
235 million dollar lawsuit with a, an independent review coming.

2299
02:41:21,721 --> 02:41:25,961
I mean, we can debate what independent means. Um, arm's

2300
02:41:25,961 --> 02:41:28,601
length from the organisation with, uh, full disclosure to the

2301
02:41:28,601 --> 02:41:32,921
public. I would describe as independent, but, um, I am

2302
02:41:33,022 --> 02:41:36,521
willing to support this as well. Um, regarding information about

2303
02:41:36,542 --> 02:41:41,401
the wastewater treatment plan, this has been provided, um, to

2304
02:41:41,441 --> 02:41:46,281
some extent repeatedly at Council of Councils. And it had

2305
02:41:46,321 --> 02:41:48,361
councillors wanted information about that. That would have been a

2306
02:41:48,361 --> 02:41:52,201
really great venue to have attended and raise these questions.

2307
02:41:52,201 --> 02:41:54,601
Um, we don't have another Council of Council's scheduled before

2308
02:41:54,641 --> 02:41:59,721
the end of the term. Unfortunately, um, but, uh, you

2309
02:41:59,721 --> 02:42:01,641
know, I am willing to support this, even though I

2310
02:42:01,641 --> 02:42:04,921
do think it is redundant. And I think it is

2311
02:42:04,921 --> 02:42:08,281
important that, uh, we lay this to bend that people

2312
02:42:08,462 --> 02:42:11,481
feel satisfied with the information that comes out about this,

2313
02:42:11,502 --> 02:42:15,802
this project. Thanks. Okay, thanks. I don't have any other

2314
02:42:16,223 --> 02:42:18,682
anyone else on the queue. So I will call the

2315
02:42:18,703 --> 02:42:24,240
question all in favor. Holo Post, it's caring. Thanks. Item

2316
02:42:24,341 --> 02:42:27,440
4. 2 trained to support rights of older adults. Councillor

2317
02:42:27,480 --> 02:42:30,000
Campbell. You can read the resolve section. And if you're

2318
02:42:30,000 --> 02:42:37,787
a secondary, you can motivate. Be you resolve the city

2319
02:42:37,827 --> 02:42:41,387
offer opportunities for staff training and professional development related to

2320
02:42:41,648 --> 02:42:45,387
elder abuse prevention age friendly practices and the promotion of

2321
02:42:45,408 --> 02:42:49,067
the rights of older adults to ensure that municipal services

2322
02:42:49,328 --> 02:42:53,067
are responsive informed and inclusive. So if I can get

2323
02:42:53,107 --> 02:42:56,747
a seconder all motivate. Okay. Thank you. Um, so I'll

2324
02:42:56,787 --> 02:43:00,027
just really touch lightly on this given that we had

2325
02:43:00,768 --> 02:43:05,307
Lenore Sally from the newest Community Response Network delegate previously,

2326
02:43:05,307 --> 02:43:08,507
which is what precipitated this motion and then delegated again

2327
02:43:08,547 --> 02:43:12,027
today. Um, I do want to reinforce the fact that

2328
02:43:12,128 --> 02:43:16,747
this is, uh, in the age friendly strategy, uh, that

2329
02:43:16,787 --> 02:43:22,087
the staff have prepared for this year actually 2026. Um,

2330
02:43:22,128 --> 02:43:25,307
I didn't realise that when I originally put this motion

2331
02:43:25,408 --> 02:43:28,347
forward. So it was, it was reaffirming to know that's

2332
02:43:28,347 --> 02:43:32,027
in the strategy. Um, and, and even more reaffirming me

2333
02:43:32,448 --> 02:43:36,267
because I received calls from some seniors in many represent,

2334
02:43:36,267 --> 02:43:40,267
many members from Century House, but other organisations throughout the

2335
02:43:40,368 --> 02:43:44,587
city, uh, asking that we really do this, uh, and

2336
02:43:44,587 --> 02:43:47,527
now, uh, I can say, Hey, it's actually in the

2337
02:43:47,648 --> 02:43:50,427
H friendly strategy. So it's not just something that we

2338
02:43:50,608 --> 02:43:54,907
hope to do. It's something that's actioned in the strategy.

2339
02:43:54,907 --> 02:43:58,267
As mentioned earlier, I do hope that we can start

2340
02:43:58,688 --> 02:44:01,307
this work sooner rather than later. Cause I do worry

2341
02:44:01,408 --> 02:44:07,307
about, um, many of the seniors who, who really are,

2342
02:44:07,307 --> 02:44:10,987
uh, connected to anybody. And I know our city staff

2343
02:44:11,728 --> 02:44:14,347
who are out in the parks, uh, at the rec

2344
02:44:14,368 --> 02:44:18,267
centres, um, even like, you know, changing, doing electrical work

2345
02:44:18,288 --> 02:44:21,547
in the city. They're the ones that really do connect

2346
02:44:21,568 --> 02:44:24,267
with a lot of our residents. Um, they really are

2347
02:44:24,848 --> 02:44:27,947
a phenomenal master's for the city. So if we could

2348
02:44:27,987 --> 02:44:31,907
actually not just get training to the usual folks, I

2349
02:44:31,907 --> 02:44:33,867
mean, century house, of course makes sense. But I think

2350
02:44:33,867 --> 02:44:36,827
it makes sense too. People who staff that work in

2351
02:44:36,827 --> 02:44:40,347
utilities that are out in the community, um, to our

2352
02:44:40,347 --> 02:44:43,547
building service workers and to others is the intent so

2353
02:44:43,587 --> 02:44:46,347
that we can all take care of the community as

2354
02:44:46,347 --> 02:44:50,907
we have recognised and done, um, just over this weekend.

2355
02:44:50,907 --> 02:44:52,987
And I'll just add, you know, with the fire over

2356
02:44:53,008 --> 02:44:55,467
the weekend. I hear a lot of people saying, wow,

2357
02:44:55,728 --> 02:44:58,667
newestminsters really stepped up. Well, I wasn't surprised. We know

2358
02:44:58,667 --> 02:45:01,067
this. This is the, this is just how our community

2359
02:45:01,408 --> 02:45:05,787
rolls. So, um, uh, so I hope that we can

2360
02:45:05,888 --> 02:45:12,907
pass this motion and I know that staff, uh, what's

2361
02:45:12,907 --> 02:45:16,247
the word, I guess, or probably going to be, uh,

2362
02:45:16,288 --> 02:45:18,747
the best way forward for us to take care of

2363
02:45:18,768 --> 02:45:21,147
our community. So look forward to giving them the tools

2364
02:45:21,187 --> 02:45:26,920
to do that. Thank you. I don't see any other

2365
02:45:26,960 --> 02:45:28,920
comments. So I'll just say thank you for doing this.

2366
02:45:29,101 --> 02:45:32,280
This is, I mean, this was obviously a call that

2367
02:45:32,280 --> 02:45:34,040
we got for the public. And I'm just glad that

2368
02:45:34,040 --> 02:45:36,120
we're hearing from the public. And I know that there

2369
02:45:36,221 --> 02:45:38,040
was a discussion. There's been a lot of discussion in

2370
02:45:38,221 --> 02:45:41,480
the subsequent record a couple of weeks with, um, with

2371
02:45:41,581 --> 02:45:44,120
century house around the value of this and seeing how

2372
02:45:44,160 --> 02:45:46,360
this fits into our age friendly. So I really appreciate

2373
02:45:46,541 --> 02:45:48,840
the Councillor bringing this forward. And I look forward to

2374
02:45:48,880 --> 02:45:51,881
seeing where this work develops. Thank you. So I'll call

2375
02:45:51,881 --> 02:45:57,099
the question all in favor. I'll oppose Carrie. We now

2376
02:45:57,099 --> 02:46:02,379
have two bylaws for adoption. Uh, first is bylaw notice

2377
02:46:02,419 --> 02:46:09,339
enforcement bylaw. Number 7318 2009. Amendment bylaw number 8557 2026

2378
02:46:09,760 --> 02:46:15,203
Ford option. Mo adoption. All in favor. All opposed carried.

2379
02:46:15,203 --> 02:46:19,843
And municipal ticket information bylaw number 8007 2019 amendment by

2380
02:46:19,883 --> 02:46:26,022
law. Number 8558 2026 Ford Option. All in favor. Holo

2381
02:46:26,022 --> 02:46:30,496
Post carried. Okay. We can now move on to public

2382
02:46:30,517 --> 02:46:33,376
announcements. I have a couple of quick public announcements from,

2383
02:46:33,376 --> 02:46:36,896
um, from the record. One is that Councillor Jeannie McAvoy

2384
02:46:36,936 --> 02:46:40,096
was nominated to represent the city of New Westminster on

2385
02:46:40,096 --> 02:46:44,336
the Ecom Board of Directors for the 2026 to 2027

2386
02:46:44,517 --> 02:46:48,328
term. With the city of the second announcement of the

2387
02:46:48,328 --> 02:46:50,968
City of New Westminster will be entering into a sister

2388
02:46:51,149 --> 02:46:55,448
city agreement with a vinyl Frankievich in Ukraine. There was

2389
02:46:55,448 --> 02:46:58,408
more news coming out about that soon. But that will

2390
02:46:58,448 --> 02:47:01,128
be, uh, yeah, there'll be more public discussion about that

2391
02:47:01,149 --> 02:47:05,359
coming out soon. But that we have interesting deagreement. Um,

2392
02:47:06,180 --> 02:47:09,119
my third announcement is the good news of the day.

2393
02:47:09,119 --> 02:47:11,759
And I just found out that the new Westminster under

2394
02:47:11,860 --> 02:47:17,919
14 boys. One, the BC provincial A Cup soccer championships.

2395
02:47:17,919 --> 02:47:20,399
It is the first time in New Westminster team has

2396
02:47:20,399 --> 02:47:24,799
ever achieved provincial championship in soccer in that. And so

2397
02:47:24,839 --> 02:47:27,759
I just want to say congratulations to the Pumas. They

2398
02:47:27,780 --> 02:47:30,399
want it yesterday in an IMO. Um, so congratulations to

2399
02:47:30,399 --> 02:47:33,519
all the players and to dedicated coaches that made it

2400
02:47:33,519 --> 02:47:36,119
happen. We have a big future in soccer based on

2401
02:47:36,119 --> 02:47:39,439
the quality of our under 14 team in New Editors.

2402
02:47:39,439 --> 02:47:42,319
So, uh, that's a, that's exciting for them. And congratulations

2403
02:47:42,420 --> 02:47:45,081
on that accomplishment. And finally I do want to say

2404
02:47:45,422 --> 02:47:47,801
a few things about the, I want to be, I'll

2405
02:47:47,801 --> 02:47:49,161
try to be very, very brief. We could talk for

2406
02:47:49,201 --> 02:47:51,561
a long time about the fire. Obviously that happened on

2407
02:47:51,561 --> 02:47:56,121
the weekend. Um, I just want to, I just want

2408
02:47:56,121 --> 02:47:58,201
to put a few thanks out. And I'm always afraid

2409
02:47:58,542 --> 02:48:00,521
of put, when we put thanks out for an event

2410
02:48:00,542 --> 02:48:02,961
this size, there's always a risk that I'm going to

2411
02:48:03,022 --> 02:48:06,281
miss some people. So I apologise immediately for people who

2412
02:48:06,382 --> 02:48:09,081
were doing great work. And I should have probably apologised.

2413
02:48:09,081 --> 02:48:12,121
I should certainly be thanking right now. But, um, just

2414
02:48:12,222 --> 02:48:14,201
the quick list I put together on the top of

2415
02:48:14,201 --> 02:48:16,921
my head. Um, first of all, of course our first

2416
02:48:16,961 --> 02:48:20,601
responders, um, at the fire department, um, and their support

2417
02:48:20,622 --> 02:48:24,361
they received from Burnaby in our, uh, that, the ability

2418
02:48:24,382 --> 02:48:27,481
for our organisations for a fire department to work together

2419
02:48:27,742 --> 02:48:30,761
and coordinate a large events like this is really valuable

2420
02:48:30,862 --> 02:48:33,161
to all of the cities. And I just appreciate the

2421
02:48:33,201 --> 02:48:36,681
amount of work. The firefighters were there for that was

2422
02:48:36,681 --> 02:48:40,601
a 24 hours on site during that fighting that fire.

2423
02:48:40,601 --> 02:48:42,841
And, um, a couple of shifts, uh, a lot of

2424
02:48:42,841 --> 02:48:45,721
the new recruits were getting their first big structure fire.

2425
02:48:45,721 --> 02:48:47,401
It was, it was interesting to talk to them and

2426
02:48:47,422 --> 02:48:50,841
hear their experiences. Everybody got away safe. There was a

2427
02:48:50,841 --> 02:48:53,641
couple of minor injuries that were checked at the hospital,

2428
02:48:53,641 --> 02:48:56,441
but everyone got away safe. And, um, I just think

2429
02:48:56,702 --> 02:48:59,641
that, uh, we cannot appreciate enough for the heroic work

2430
02:48:59,641 --> 02:49:03,161
that takes place, uh, when an event like this happens,

2431
02:49:03,161 --> 02:49:05,561
uh, of course, the police department was also there. I

2432
02:49:05,601 --> 02:49:07,801
saw a lot of our city crews there at the

2433
02:49:07,801 --> 02:49:10,601
site. They were there to help manage the water situation

2434
02:49:10,942 --> 02:49:13,881
at the site in order to help with utility cutoffs

2435
02:49:13,881 --> 02:49:16,441
and things like that. So it really is all hands

2436
02:49:16,441 --> 02:49:17,681
on deck with something like that. And I want to

2437
02:49:17,681 --> 02:49:20,601
thank all the staff who made that happen. Along with

2438
02:49:20,942 --> 02:49:25,401
emergency social services, um, as the event was happening, that

2439
02:49:25,401 --> 02:49:29,081
evening emergency social services were on site helping folks in

2440
02:49:29,081 --> 02:49:31,161
the moment and getting them placed to stay that evening

2441
02:49:31,201 --> 02:49:33,481
so they could be safe and secure. And then the

2442
02:49:33,481 --> 02:49:35,641
next day they set up a century house. Century house

2443
02:49:35,662 --> 02:49:38,521
staff helped accommodate them. And we also had again, more

2444
02:49:38,622 --> 02:49:41,881
support from both the city of Delta and the city

2445
02:49:41,921 --> 02:49:46,281
of Vancouver sent emergency social services staff to help process

2446
02:49:47,022 --> 02:49:49,081
folks and help make sure that all the paperwork was

2447
02:49:49,121 --> 02:49:51,321
done correctly so that folks would get the benefits that

2448
02:49:51,321 --> 02:49:57,241
they required to survive the initial response. Um, I want

2449
02:49:57,281 --> 02:49:58,921
to give a shout out to Mary Trent to do

2450
02:49:59,022 --> 02:50:03,701
and the Westminster neighbourhood house, uh, what that organisation, um,

2451
02:50:04,222 --> 02:50:06,921
they called us and said, you have got a bunch

2452
02:50:06,921 --> 02:50:10,441
of donations. It looks, you are going to need to

2453
02:50:10,481 --> 02:50:13,081
summon the coordinated armor to the social services as we

2454
02:50:13,081 --> 02:50:15,641
just don't have the capacitors to do that. And the

2455
02:50:15,641 --> 02:50:17,321
neighbourhood house reached out and said, we can do that

2456
02:50:17,342 --> 02:50:20,661
for you and just took that on. And really, um,

2457
02:50:20,862 --> 02:50:24,441
showed some, um, they were just incredibly nine o'clock in

2458
02:50:24,441 --> 02:50:27,321
the morning on Saturday morning, they were at Century House

2459
02:50:27,902 --> 02:50:29,961
starting to get on the phone starting to contact people

2460
02:50:30,302 --> 02:50:32,921
connected with the school board. Uh, the school board was

2461
02:50:32,961 --> 02:50:35,561
able to connect to get them space. I mean, they

2462
02:50:35,601 --> 02:50:37,321
just did all that kind of busy work in order

2463
02:50:37,361 --> 02:50:40,681
to get the, all this positive energy in the city

2464
02:50:40,942 --> 02:50:44,441
channeled towards actually getting those donations to people who could

2465
02:50:44,481 --> 02:50:47,001
help to who they will actually help. So I just

2466
02:50:47,041 --> 02:50:50,041
want to appreciate Mary's work in making that happen in

2467
02:50:50,142 --> 02:50:53,701
tasks work in helping coordinate that at the event. And

2468
02:50:53,701 --> 02:50:56,521
I think on day one, especially in Daniel Connolly from,

2469
02:50:56,521 --> 02:50:58,681
um, was from school board was there on day one

2470
02:50:58,721 --> 02:51:01,001
in that room helping do all that work and doing

2471
02:51:01,001 --> 02:51:04,761
that or doing that, that really busy setup work in

2472
02:51:04,801 --> 02:51:07,001
order to make sure that when donation is did arrive,

2473
02:51:07,001 --> 02:51:08,041
they actually did it in a way that was actually

2474
02:51:08,222 --> 02:51:10,481
useful organised and was actually going to be able to

2475
02:51:10,481 --> 02:51:11,961
get out to the people who needed to help as

2476
02:51:11,961 --> 02:51:14,651
soon as possible. And then there is a long list

2477
02:51:14,651 --> 02:51:17,291
of organisations in this community who called and provided different

2478
02:51:17,331 --> 02:51:21,931
kinds of help. The good warray cigar were very quick

2479
02:51:21,971 --> 02:51:23,931
to call and say, Hey, do you guys need food?

2480
02:51:23,931 --> 02:51:25,411
We're going to get you food. And we're able to

2481
02:51:25,411 --> 02:51:28,091
get food on site for the many different crews who

2482
02:51:28,192 --> 02:51:30,331
were there to get them fed and get drinks to

2483
02:51:30,331 --> 02:51:32,571
them. So they were able to keep on doing their

2484
02:51:32,611 --> 02:51:36,331
work without worrying about that. Grunatic Street Kitchen showed up

2485
02:51:36,331 --> 02:51:38,651
with meals at Centray House in order to get those

2486
02:51:38,651 --> 02:51:42,891
to folks, uh, Fraser side reached out. Senior services reached

2487
02:51:42,931 --> 02:51:44,811
up. There's so many organisations in this community who reached

2488
02:51:44,851 --> 02:51:47,531
out to say, you know, we can get you housing.

2489
02:51:47,531 --> 02:51:49,931
We can get you different kinds of support and just

2490
02:51:49,971 --> 02:51:53,451
wanted to make sure that, um, yeah, it's, it's, it's

2491
02:51:53,552 --> 02:51:56,251
heartening to see so many people in this community step

2492
02:51:56,291 --> 02:51:58,731
up. And those are just the organisations. And then there

2493
02:51:58,731 --> 02:52:04,011
was the people that dozens and dozens of people who

2494
02:52:04,192 --> 02:52:07,131
just volunteered all Saturday and all Sunday in order to

2495
02:52:07,171 --> 02:52:09,931
help in the community. And it's just, it's heartening that

2496
02:52:10,192 --> 02:52:12,971
is what community is all about. That is why we

2497
02:52:12,992 --> 02:52:16,251
have to have a connected community. That's why we should

2498
02:52:16,291 --> 02:52:18,571
all be proud to live in new Westminsters. So as

2499
02:52:18,611 --> 02:52:20,091
our hearts go out to the people who have lost

2500
02:52:20,192 --> 02:52:23,291
so much, uh, the people who've been displaced to have

2501
02:52:23,872 --> 02:52:27,771
had their lives incredibly disrupted. You know, our hearts go

2502
02:52:27,771 --> 02:52:29,611
to them. We feel for them. We're sorry for their

2503
02:52:29,712 --> 02:52:31,851
loss, but we also are lifted by the folks who

2504
02:52:31,952 --> 02:52:34,011
stood in to help them. So thank you to everybody

2505
02:52:34,032 --> 02:52:36,836
who did that work. And I will go on on

2506
02:52:36,836 --> 02:52:42,430
the table. Councillor Henderson. Thanks. Yeah. I won't repeat what

2507
02:52:42,531 --> 02:52:49,233
you've listed there mayor. Um, but, uh, it's endless. The

2508
02:52:49,233 --> 02:52:52,273
amount of community members. I believe that, uh, we actually

2509
02:52:52,313 --> 02:52:57,153
had to turn away volunteers today. It was, uh, people

2510
02:52:57,193 --> 02:53:00,993
just showed up so intense. Um, which is a really

2511
02:53:01,033 --> 02:53:05,825
good problem to have. There aside from the organisations you

2512
02:53:05,825 --> 02:53:09,745
listed also just so many, um, organisations outside of the

2513
02:53:10,006 --> 02:53:11,825
community that have stepped up to say we can start

2514
02:53:12,006 --> 02:53:15,665
storing furniture for you. We can pick up the extra

2515
02:53:15,686 --> 02:53:19,585
clothing and take it to nonprofit thrift stores. It's pretty

2516
02:53:19,686 --> 02:53:23,345
amazing. Lots of volunteers there from Bernaby and Coquitlam as

2517
02:53:23,345 --> 02:53:26,465
well. Um, and then businesses, of course, um, big bees

2518
02:53:26,486 --> 02:53:30,845
was offering meals, burger heaven brought 70 gift cards, uh,

2519
02:53:30,886 --> 02:53:35,265
to us to give to residents, um, pause veterinarian care

2520
02:53:35,366 --> 02:53:37,725
Bosley's lots of folks are out there doing stuff. And

2521
02:53:37,725 --> 02:53:40,305
so, yeah, it's been really wonderful. Um, we're, we're actually

2522
02:53:40,345 --> 02:53:45,185
creating the resource list for residents now, um, just to

2523
02:53:45,185 --> 02:53:47,425
help them get supports and also the lots of community

2524
02:53:47,465 --> 02:53:50,125
members who have offered their, their housing, their space for

2525
02:53:50,125 --> 02:53:52,385
people to stay. You know, we talk a lot about

2526
02:53:52,566 --> 02:53:56,225
affordable housing in this, uh, you know, and the need

2527
02:53:56,265 --> 02:53:59,265
for Morehousing in this, uh, council chamber. That's one of

2528
02:53:59,265 --> 02:54:03,985
our jobs. And these 42 households, um, argument need to

2529
02:54:03,985 --> 02:54:06,465
find a new home in the city. Um, aside from

2530
02:54:06,465 --> 02:54:08,865
that, I also just want to say that I'm really,

2531
02:54:08,865 --> 02:54:11,585
uh, grateful for my mayor and council colleagues in Northern

2532
02:54:11,625 --> 02:54:15,185
Communities. I immediately reached out to folks that I knew

2533
02:54:15,446 --> 02:54:19,905
up north who have struggled with the impacts of wildfires,

2534
02:54:19,905 --> 02:54:24,305
uh, for some, um, support on, uh, how to best

2535
02:54:24,486 --> 02:54:28,305
distribute, uh, the massive amount of influx of donations that

2536
02:54:28,345 --> 02:54:32,305
we're getting, um, they've connected Mary and I to a

2537
02:54:32,345 --> 02:54:34,305
whole host of organisations who have done this work. So

2538
02:54:34,646 --> 02:54:37,745
it's just amazing to see everybody come together. Canada Post

2539
02:54:37,785 --> 02:54:40,385
was just reaching out to me around how we get

2540
02:54:40,406 --> 02:54:44,605
information to residents. It's, yeah, it's kind of wild. And

2541
02:54:44,605 --> 02:54:47,345
yeah, but really a huge thank you to, um, the

2542
02:54:47,446 --> 02:54:51,425
community who just came to drop off goods and then

2543
02:54:51,425 --> 02:54:53,585
ended up staying for four or five hours, uh, to

2544
02:54:53,606 --> 02:54:57,325
help yesterday. And, uh, yeah, it's been really wonderful. Um,

2545
02:54:57,325 --> 02:55:01,265
and I think the tally this morning ish was about

2546
02:55:01,526 --> 02:55:10,705
70, 000 dollars donations and the GoFundMe page, Huge shout

2547
02:55:10,705 --> 02:55:14,076
out to Isbella Wang. For getting that going right after

2548
02:55:14,257 --> 02:55:16,876
she heard the news. So anyways, it's just a pretty

2549
02:55:16,897 --> 02:55:21,356
amazing, um, the residents have started coming in. They have

2550
02:55:21,457 --> 02:55:24,716
private times to shop and, uh, no shortage of, of

2551
02:55:24,737 --> 02:55:27,436
goods for them to, to have it this time. So,

2552
02:55:27,436 --> 02:55:30,710
uh, just a huge thank you to everybody. Thank you.

2553
02:55:30,710 --> 02:55:37,142
Counselman house. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. First, I want to

2554
02:55:37,182 --> 02:55:42,422
thank the Victoria Hill Ginger Drive. Residents Association for putting

2555
02:55:42,422 --> 02:55:47,622
on the picnic, uh, yesterday. And as always, Carl Moser

2556
02:55:47,883 --> 02:55:50,742
and everybody there just as they do a wonderful job

2557
02:55:50,923 --> 02:55:54,582
of, uh, accommodating all of us, and, uh, there was

2558
02:55:54,582 --> 02:55:59,942
a great turnout by yourself and other councillors and school

2559
02:55:59,963 --> 02:56:02,902
trustee. And even the people that are going to be

2560
02:56:04,763 --> 02:56:10,662
running in the next election. I also want to again,

2561
02:56:10,662 --> 02:56:14,102
just like yourself and Councillor Henderson over here want to

2562
02:56:14,142 --> 02:56:19,862
thank, uh, first and foremost, uh, all the first responders,

2563
02:56:19,862 --> 02:56:27,782
especially our firefighters, um, the Burnaby firefighters, uh, amazing work,

2564
02:56:27,782 --> 02:56:32,102
uh, that has been going on for the residents of

2565
02:56:32,443 --> 02:56:35,942
Pinecrest on Fourth Avenue.

2566
02:56:42,916 --> 02:56:45,535
It's a little hard topic for me. Um, it reminded

2567
02:56:45,575 --> 02:56:49,115
me a lot of what I was going to, but

2568
02:56:49,316 --> 02:56:53,775
in different ways, um, this was a place where somebody.

2569
02:56:54,396 --> 02:56:58,912
It was somebody's home. Mine was a little bit different.

2570
02:56:58,933 --> 02:57:02,371
It was a place of business. But a lot of

2571
02:57:02,411 --> 02:57:04,451
people knew that that was also my place of home

2572
02:57:04,552 --> 02:57:10,500
in some ways. And, um, I cannot even imagine as

2573
02:57:10,521 --> 02:57:14,395
to. What they have gone through and some of the

2574
02:57:14,435 --> 02:57:16,555
stories that I've been hearing because they've been coming to

2575
02:57:16,576 --> 02:57:25,431
the pub. I did not know what to do. And

2576
02:57:25,431 --> 02:57:29,732
the first thing that came to mind was. That the

2577
02:57:29,753 --> 02:57:34,752
fact, thank God everybody's alive. And there were a few

2578
02:57:34,752 --> 02:57:44,427
injuries. But, uh. We think about food. And. Since the

2579
02:57:44,448 --> 02:57:50,347
young child, uh, with my family, have been working with

2580
02:57:50,608 --> 02:57:55,547
a thing called sava, which is at the gour. And,

2581
02:57:55,547 --> 02:58:00,587
uh, I thought, uh, even without talking to my staff.

2582
02:58:00,587 --> 02:58:02,587
And yes, it does take some time to organise everything

2583
02:58:03,248 --> 02:58:06,516
and get the logistics down. Also not knowing how many

2584
02:58:06,516 --> 02:58:10,335
people are going to show up. Uh, we were trying

2585
02:58:10,335 --> 02:58:13,935
to gun for Saturday afternoon for lunch, but we managed

2586
02:58:13,975 --> 02:58:16,815
to at least open for them for Saturday evening for

2587
02:58:16,855 --> 02:58:20,849
dinner. And for this whole week, um, it's just not

2588
02:58:20,849 --> 02:58:25,948
the people from the building itself that has gone. It's

2589
02:58:25,988 --> 02:58:31,048
also the building, uh, where there has been flooding. And

2590
02:58:31,089 --> 02:58:36,428
as of today, this morning, sorry yesterday, I would like

2591
02:58:36,468 --> 02:58:42,194
to, um, let everybody know out there. Even the volunteers

2592
02:58:42,855 --> 02:58:47,634
at Lord Calvin, they can come down. I know they're

2593
02:58:47,634 --> 02:58:53,166
working hard. And they donating their very precious time. Please

2594
02:58:53,347 --> 02:58:55,486
come on down. You need a by tweet. You just

2595
02:58:55,486 --> 02:58:58,520
need to rest a little bit. You're more than welcome

2596
02:58:58,621 --> 02:59:02,360
down to come down and have a meal. Nice hot

2597
02:59:02,400 --> 02:59:07,489
meal. So, um, again, once again, uh, I want to

2598
02:59:07,550 --> 02:59:14,520
thank everybody, including the staff members. That jumped in at

2599
02:59:14,541 --> 02:59:20,001
a minute's notice. Um, it's not easy. Um, something like

2600
02:59:20,041 --> 02:59:25,484
this happens. Um, and, um, like I said, I know

2601
02:59:25,524 --> 02:59:33,669
firsthand. And your life changes in different ways. Especially what

2602
02:59:33,709 --> 02:59:37,969
we have gone through COVID and so much more. Our

2603
02:59:37,969 --> 02:59:42,229
behaviours have changed and at a time like this, when

2604
02:59:42,490 --> 02:59:45,509
our city can come together, yes, we are known for

2605
02:59:45,549 --> 02:59:48,574
being the besties. And that's a great thing. But it

2606
02:59:48,574 --> 02:59:52,111
brings us even closer. As much as we are a

2607
02:59:52,132 --> 02:59:55,791
big city of 90, 000 or whatever, but deep down

2608
02:59:55,812 --> 03:00:01,631
inside, people of New West, they have, they will and

2609
03:00:01,671 --> 03:00:05,851
will carry on to help in time of need. And

2610
03:00:05,851 --> 03:00:08,671
I love that about our community. It's one of the

2611
03:00:08,711 --> 03:00:13,051
things that I love about this city. Um, and, um,

2612
03:00:14,212 --> 03:00:16,751
my heart soft to everybody in the city that has

2613
03:00:17,012 --> 03:00:21,631
a contributed in any way, shape or form. Um, thank

2614
03:00:21,631 --> 03:00:24,991
you is not enough. But, uh, once again, thank you.

2615
03:00:26,322 --> 03:00:31,758
Thank you. Councillor Fontine. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Um, yeah, I

2616
03:00:31,859 --> 03:00:35,438
won't repeat my colleagues have really very eloquent in terms

2617
03:00:35,438 --> 03:00:38,998
of capturing. I think the sentiment in the city, I

2618
03:00:38,998 --> 03:00:41,998
will just say that, uh, what acknowledge and thank Councillor

2619
03:00:41,998 --> 03:00:44,638
Henderson for recognising one of her Council colleagues and the

2620
03:00:44,638 --> 03:00:49,198
contribution that Councillor Minnhause has made amongst a number of

2621
03:00:49,238 --> 03:00:55,118
business people volunteers, the community who stepped up and selflessly

2622
03:00:56,419 --> 03:01:00,078
either gave their time or their money, um, or opened

2623
03:01:00,078 --> 03:01:03,118
up their business or their home. Um, and it is

2624
03:01:03,139 --> 03:01:05,758
often, you know, we know we live in a great

2625
03:01:05,758 --> 03:01:07,838
city, but it's often in a time of tragedy like

2626
03:01:07,878 --> 03:01:12,398
this that we, um, realise how special, um, our community

2627
03:01:12,438 --> 03:01:15,918
is. And it's, it's unfortunate that it takes a tragedy

2628
03:01:15,918 --> 03:01:18,078
like this for it to be so focused and for

2629
03:01:18,078 --> 03:01:19,838
us to kind of really take a moment to appreciate

2630
03:01:19,939 --> 03:01:25,278
it. Um, but, um, it's an incredible, uh, exhibition of,

2631
03:01:25,318 --> 03:01:29,358
of humanity and people caring for people. And we are

2632
03:01:29,398 --> 03:01:32,078
very fortunate and very blessed to live in a community

2633
03:01:32,179 --> 03:01:35,838
where when a tragedy like this happens, uh, people do,

2634
03:01:35,878 --> 03:01:39,666
do step up. So I do want to also Councilman

2635
03:01:40,967 --> 03:01:44,626
appreciate. And knowing your history with your loss of your

2636
03:01:44,626 --> 03:01:47,346
business in a fire that I realise and appreciate how

2637
03:01:47,527 --> 03:01:49,746
personal this is for you. So I know how, how

2638
03:01:49,786 --> 03:01:53,246
challenging it can be. Um, I just want to, Mr.

2639
03:01:53,246 --> 03:01:55,866
Mayor, a couple of quick items. I don't want to

2640
03:01:55,866 --> 03:01:58,706
get to process oriented tonight, but I do think whenever

2641
03:01:58,967 --> 03:02:02,066
there are things like this that happen, I think there

2642
03:02:02,066 --> 03:02:04,306
are lessons we can learn as a city. And in

2643
03:02:04,327 --> 03:02:07,906
particular, through our emergency response. And I don't need a

2644
03:02:07,906 --> 03:02:10,306
response tonight from the CEO. But I would like to

2645
03:02:10,327 --> 03:02:13,326
be able to, when things that are a little bit

2646
03:02:13,326 --> 03:02:15,826
more calm, um, not obviously in the next few weeks,

2647
03:02:15,826 --> 03:02:18,546
but it would be good for us to, to see

2648
03:02:18,586 --> 03:02:21,826
if there's anything we can do better in the future.

2649
03:02:21,826 --> 03:02:23,746
We've done a lot of great things, but are there

2650
03:02:23,746 --> 03:02:27,026
lessons that we could have learned in this particular tragedy

2651
03:02:27,207 --> 03:02:30,706
so that, uh, and unfortunately it will happen again. Things

2652
03:02:30,706 --> 03:02:33,346
happen like this, uh, fires do happen. But are there

2653
03:02:33,346 --> 03:02:35,906
things we can, we can learn from this. And I'd

2654
03:02:35,906 --> 03:02:40,066
be very curious to hear once things have settled down

2655
03:02:40,647 --> 03:02:43,726
any feedback from fire department or at the department's, uh,

2656
03:02:43,927 --> 03:02:47,106
to, to do that. So that's number one. Number two,

2657
03:02:47,106 --> 03:02:50,926
which is kind of related. And it pertains to, um,

2658
03:02:51,527 --> 03:02:54,866
again, maybe it's coming back around Lessons Learned around contributions

2659
03:02:54,967 --> 03:02:57,746
that people made. A number of folks did say to

2660
03:02:57,746 --> 03:02:59,986
me that, um, we might have been able to get

2661
03:03:00,167 --> 03:03:03,426
more contributions had people been able to have given it

2662
03:03:03,466 --> 03:03:06,546
and get a receipt. I don't think neighbourhood house can

2663
03:03:06,586 --> 03:03:10,466
issue. I guess that charitable status tax receipt. I don't

2664
03:03:10,466 --> 03:03:12,786
believe so. But, um, or maybe they're not in that,

2665
03:03:12,826 --> 03:03:16,226
that place yet. But, um, that had the dollars come

2666
03:03:16,247 --> 03:03:17,826
through the city that there would have been something that

2667
03:03:17,847 --> 03:03:21,506
we could have provided as an official tax proceed or

2668
03:03:21,506 --> 03:03:23,106
something. I'm not going to get one. So I don't

2669
03:03:23,106 --> 03:03:25,026
know how all this works. But it may be something

2670
03:03:25,127 --> 03:03:28,386
for us to think about. But I notice CEO looks

2671
03:03:28,386 --> 03:03:30,546
like she wants to jump in. So I'll let her

2672
03:03:30,887 --> 03:03:35,266
thank you, councillor, through the mayor as regular practice, ESS

2673
03:03:35,287 --> 03:03:39,426
does a debrief afterward and best practices and promising practices

2674
03:03:39,687 --> 03:03:42,146
are identified. So it's a great suggestion and a follow

2675
03:03:42,146 --> 03:03:44,386
- up. And we can bring that information back to

2676
03:03:44,807 --> 03:03:47,666
counsel for sure. As far as the tax receipt goes,

2677
03:03:47,666 --> 03:03:51,106
I know there would be implications going through the city,

2678
03:03:51,106 --> 03:03:52,666
not exactly sure what they are. I'm not going to

2679
03:03:52,887 --> 03:03:56,066
put anybody on the spot, but certainly that can be

2680
03:03:56,106 --> 03:03:57,906
part of the debrief for us to look into those

2681
03:03:57,927 --> 03:03:59,666
things. Yeah. That would be great. And I don't know

2682
03:03:59,666 --> 03:04:02,386
that I'm just passing along some of the feedback that

2683
03:04:02,426 --> 03:04:05,426
I had received. And lastly, I just want to as

2684
03:04:05,426 --> 03:04:10,306
well just echo Councillor Minhas'comments about Victoria Hillgender Drive and

2685
03:04:10,306 --> 03:04:12,946
just thank them for the invitation for the summer event

2686
03:04:13,207 --> 03:04:16,066
yesterday, which was fabulous. So really enjoyed it. Thanks so

2687
03:04:16,066 --> 03:04:22,126
much. Thanks. Pierre, so they're not going to go. Thank

2688
03:04:22,126 --> 03:04:29,006
you. Yeah. It's unfortunate. It's unfortunate. Circumstances to bring us

2689
03:04:29,046 --> 03:04:32,206
together, of course, but it really, in some ways, does

2690
03:04:32,206 --> 03:04:35,326
bring out the best of this community. Um, I remember

2691
03:04:35,347 --> 03:04:38,206
a fireback on Ash Street. Oh, this was going back

2692
03:04:38,387 --> 03:04:40,526
probably 10 years. Um, and it was the same response

2693
03:04:40,627 --> 03:04:43,086
people just very, very eager to take care of their

2694
03:04:43,086 --> 03:04:48,707
neighbours. Yeah. That's what I love about New West. On

2695
03:04:48,707 --> 03:04:50,707
a different note, I want to let folks know that

2696
03:04:50,808 --> 03:04:53,587
there is an event coming up on July 19th at

2697
03:04:53,587 --> 03:04:57,427
Bikewatch Party at CAPS Bicycles, one to four o'clock on

2698
03:04:57,467 --> 03:05:01,107
the 19th. You can learn how to take good care

2699
03:05:01,107 --> 03:05:04,067
of your bike. And they're also collecting donations of unwanted

2700
03:05:04,168 --> 03:05:08,947
bicycles. Um, I raised this because maybe, uh, these families

2701
03:05:08,968 --> 03:05:11,907
might also want bikes when they're eventually, um, have new

2702
03:05:11,947 --> 03:05:15,187
homes. Um, it's run by the By School Rescue Service,

2703
03:05:15,187 --> 03:05:18,067
which is a nonprofit service. So folks are interested. Please

2704
03:05:18,067 --> 03:05:19,187
do check that out. And if you do have an

2705
03:05:19,227 --> 03:05:21,507
extra bike, that would be a good place to direct

2706
03:05:21,528 --> 03:05:27,914
it. Okay. Thank you. Um, so that ends announcement. And

2707
03:05:27,955 --> 03:05:29,934
I just want to thank Council for a good night

2708
03:05:29,974 --> 03:05:31,694
of work tonight and for getting us out of here

2709
03:05:31,875 --> 03:05:34,174
while there is still a little bit of sunlight left

2710
03:05:34,275 --> 03:05:36,474
outside. And so I mean, this sun's that up. But

2711
03:05:36,474 --> 03:05:38,894
thank you all for a good night's work tonight. And,

2712
03:05:38,894 --> 03:05:44,819
uh, without call us for motion to a turn. All

2713
03:05:44,819 --> 03:05:54,560
in favor, all opposed, Kerry. Thank you everybody. Good.