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[snorts] I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America and to

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the republic for which it stands, one

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nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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Good evening.

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>> Good evening.

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>> Rousing response. Okay. [laughter]

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So, as always, we work from an agenda

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and uh based on the information that I

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had before I left last Monday, I uh put

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out uh the agenda and uh obviously

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there's some updates for at least it's

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items that are already on the agenda.

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Uh, so I did not see the minutes. They

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weren't ready uh last week when I sent

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this out, but I do understand they've

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gone out. Um, anybody have any? Let's

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start with the June 22nd where there was

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uh making them a little bit more uh

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concise and there were some omitted

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errors, omitted sections. Did anybody uh

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have any comments on that?

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>> I Well, we haven't I haven't received an

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updated Was it sent out?

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>> Okay. So, there wasn't an updated June

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August.

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>> No, they were they were

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>> June came out first.

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>> They were paired down.

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>> They were Oh, June come out. Okay.

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>> Jinger and I discussed this.

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>> Yeah.

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>> They were just paired down a little bit.

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>> Yeah. Okay.

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>> And I was worried that you admitted

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pieces that she just had missed the

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first couple of uh sections.

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>> Okay.

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>> Oh, that was like the same day. But

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>> the e world is too confusing for me.

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>> Thoughts, comments?

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>> I I thought they were Robert. It was on

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the 23rd um of September. Drew.

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>> Okay. So, can I get a motion then to

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accept the June 22nd minutes?

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>> So, moved. Uh second by

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>> a second

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>> Glenn. Okay. Dave

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>> All those in favor signify by I.

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>> Okay. The eyes have it. And then the

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24th of August.

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Get a motion to accept those.

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>> Drew got it. [clears throat]

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heard you before. Okay, so motion by

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Dave Grayson, second by Drew. All those

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in favor signify by I.

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So, the next item we have on the agenda,

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if you don't mind waiting a few moments,

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Jerry, we'll get an update since you

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I I have 40 minutes though.

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>> Yeah. Well, we might be taking those 40

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minutes up. So, if you'd like to give

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your update from the uh Carol County

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Planning, that would be great.

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doing here in New Windsor is that um we

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at the county level recently passed our

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updated um our ADU text amendment. So, I

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know that um ADUs are a a popular topic

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because of recent state changes to state

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law that require um municipalities to

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update their regulations regarding um

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accessory dwelling units in ADU. So, at

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the county level, they did the board of

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county commissioners, I believe, did um

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vote to pass updates to our county um

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ADU text in terms of what we require and making sure that it meets the

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requirements of the state law. um water

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and sewer planning. We did receive one

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um request from the town of New Windsor

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for the fall 2026

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amendment to the water and sewer master

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plan. That is a text amendment um which

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is what we received and that has to do

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with the wastewater treatment plant and

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updated communication with MDE which

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Gary Dy provided me information

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[clears throat] about and actually we

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spoke about this I believe at the August

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meeting briefly

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information on that and we received a

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request we need to just update the text

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of New Windsor's chapter of the water

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master plan to reflect um changes is

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with respect to future planning for

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wastewater treatment plant upgrades.

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have. I did receive um we are in our

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kind of our technical review period for

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the municipal growth

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for the town of New Windsor's um

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comprehensive plan update. So we are

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working internally to get comments back

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to um Mark and to the town by

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midocctober so that then if we need to schedule an additional meeting and go

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through kind of any kind of formal

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process we we can to discuss any changes

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to the to the municipal growth area

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boundary or anything of that nature in chapter six. So any questions for me

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on any of these topics that I brought

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that makes it clear

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what the density would be if the Huff

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property is

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annexed because that's what we need for

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the War and Sewer upgrade.

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prior note and then Gary informed me

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that that acreage was wrong. So that's

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going to have to be changed. And also

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the Snater property. Sners had requested

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some of their property to come out of

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the GAB or the plan or both

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of the MPP situation, they asked not

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they didn't withdraw that request. They

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just asked us to put it on hold. So I

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think the note will will just reflect

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that that currently it is it's been

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submitted but we've been asked to put it

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on hold, you know, and we'll see how

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going to receive it back correspondence

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as well. Um both via myself and Daffy

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to include in the comprehensive plan

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thus as a recommendation to the council

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to have the Snater property uh those two two of the three plots

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need to change. Do we I do we vote?

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don't know that it means anything for

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note in the draft once we finally get to

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submitting that draft. I mean unless the

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town and and you correct me if you

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disagree unless the town as the town

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decides it wants to remove the Sners

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irrespective of the Snater's wishes.

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came in as a request from them. If they

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have changed their mind effectively or

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are waiting to see if they need to

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change their mind, I think it should

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just go maybe even with um a cover, you

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know, I mean, you send all these things

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with a cover letter that says here it is

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speculative and please take particular

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note of that note. And then the electeds

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who are the ultimate determinant would

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decide if they're going to leave it in

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early doubt.

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>> So like we have our our maps and

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everything updated.

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and even without a request the electeds

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could say no, we don't want to do that.

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In which case the ultimate maps would

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have to be changed anyway. And th those

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maps too, just to note, they are

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technically still in draft form because

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of the comprehensive plan update hasn't

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taking this plan to the council and

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whether they agree with it or disagree

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with it, something's going to have to

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happen to that finished product

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yet because we don't have a finished

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product. Now, honestly, I don't know the

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answer to if we are ready to go ahead

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and finish the project. I mean,

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ultimately finish 60-day review, all of

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those things. And the Snater's question

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is still up in the air. Then that's

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going to have to be resolved ultimately

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so that the plan can be completed.

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It is to be hoped

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against hope that that issue will be

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resolved by then. I frankly don't think

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it will, but it it could be. And or they

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could make a decision to withdraw their

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withdrawal or to go forward and to come

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in or out. There's just there's a lot of ifs involved that I don't know

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that anybody can answer at this point.

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Either do you have an opinion?

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>> Are we going to be able to go start the

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60-day review possibly with the state

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with a document that's in that flux? Can

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we put verbiage in there that says if

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this happens, this stays. If this

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happens, this this pulls out.

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I've seen that.

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>> Want this on hold to hold us up?

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would hold us up. Some kind of decision

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would have to be made by us.

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say there's potential that it may

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happen? That's what I feel because they came to us and made a request and I

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per first off I perfectly understand why they would consider you know or

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reconsider but they did come to us with

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a request. We voted on it. We made a

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decision that we we support having those

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two those two parcels removed. We

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reflect that in the plans. It's in the

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comprehensive plan which is recommended

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to the council. They've now come back to

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us and said kind of just put that on

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hold which to me means

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thinking about it.

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>> Yeah. They're kind of asking us not to

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do anything.

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>> Yes.

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>> Which is fine for a little bit of while.

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But sooner rather than later, we're

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going to have to do something. Now, the

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worst that can happen, and it's not that

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bad, it's just a pain, is if we don't

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make that change. If we leave the

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standard property in and

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>> in

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we don't withdraw those two lots from

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our g,

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>> right? Leave the

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>> leave them in.

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>> Yes.

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>> And then ultimately, they decide that

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they want them out.

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We have to go through amending the

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master plan which we did for part of the

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lease property long ago. You will recall

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because they wanted to put that property

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in act preservation.

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>> And does that go through a six day

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period again?

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>> I don't recall. I apologize. I don't

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know off

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>> it goes through update process again

302
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just for for context. um in the county.

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I was reviewing Hamstead's comprehensive

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plan today and since they did a full

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plan update, I believe in 2010, they've

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had two amendments to their to their

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compre community comprehensive plans to

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reflect changes to the growth area

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boundary. So, it's something that that

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other communities do. Westminster, I'm

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sure it can be done and does it. And I

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think actually Westminster maybe

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>> yeah may have a proposal to do something

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like that similar again.

315
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>> Yeah, we're not surprised. Um but um

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it's other you know communities in the

317
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county have done that recently.

318
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>> It's a it's a similar process. I don't

319
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know that it's as extensive a review

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>> to take you know whatever 100 acres out

321
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of an area as opposed to uh here is a

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brand new plan for the next 10 years

323
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>> as an amendment to

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>> you just do it as an amendment. Yeah.

325
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But I mean there's a process but it can

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be done

327
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>> right. I I I'm I believe that they're

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requesting us

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to not that to put to put on hold taking

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it out of the GAB.

331
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>> That's my interpretation.

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>> So,

333
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>> of that letter, which I know I have here

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somewhere.

335
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>> And and I I would assume we would vote

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that for now we would take it out of the

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plan and out of what we're going to

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recommend. If they then decide and

339
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whenever they get to that point, maybe

340
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we can fit it into the plan because

341
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we're still not completed with totally

342
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formalizing the comprehensive plan or it

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becomes an amendment later. But it

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sounds like if we go through and move

345
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forward now, then

346
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I guess it doesn't make any difference

347
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because then they could always come back

348
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and ask us to take it out of the GA.

349
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>> Yeah. And that's what'll happen if you

350
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leave it in.

351
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>> I feel like I've talked to a lawyer. Uh,

352
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isn't that unfortunate?

353
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>> Yes.

354
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>> Um, but

355
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if you leave it in, they can come back

356
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and try and amend to take it out. If you

357
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take it out, they can come back and try

358
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to amend to put it back in.

359
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I am even though I know that we we need

360
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to resolve all of this issue ideally

361
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[clears throat] by whenever we all leave

362
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this building tonight.

363
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Even with that said, we're not ready to

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take this document tomorrow and send it

365
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out.

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So

367
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>> in my opinion would be that because your

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plan is still draft

369
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>> you're still using you're still

370
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technically underneath the old

371
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>> the old plan

372
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>> growth area boundary on the old plan.

373
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>> I I disagree with that because the old

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plan we we we made a vote during the

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time of writing this to change the GAB

376
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to have them taken out.

377
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>> You voted to recommend a change to

378
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>> GA. But I mean, no, I I don't mean to to

379
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dispute you. I agree with you, but that

380
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is not a completed removal. So, until we

381
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have a new plan, we are still operating

382
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under the old plan.

383
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>> Correct.

384
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>> Because there's you can't have no plan,

385
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>> right?

386
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>> Well, you could, but it'd be a mess.

387
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>> And that's that's the point that I was

388
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making. You're still technically

389
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operating under your old plan because

390
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this comprehensive plan update hasn't

391
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been fully ratified yet,

392
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>> but what we're asking to be fully

393
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ratified right now includes that change.

394
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>> Yeah. Yeah. I I'm too

395
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67.

396
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Um,

397
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» but we're not

398
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quite there yet.

399
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>> Yeah. And you haven't even gone through

400
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a formal

401
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>> We haven't gone through the 60-day

402
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review.

403
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>> One of the things that concerns me is I

404
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don't think this is going to be

405
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resolved. I don't think that the Sners

406
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will know the answer to their question

407
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by the time we get to the point of

408
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saying, "Okay, legislative body, here's

409
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our public hearing. This is what we're

410
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going to do." But we will know

411
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once we get this to a point that it will

412
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go out for the 60-day review. We would

413
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then somewhat the clock could start and

414
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say I could reach out to Sners and say

415
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we we would need to know whether you

416
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want to

417
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>> I hate nats.

418
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>> Is that an agreement?

419
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>> No, that was a net and it's driving me

420
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crazy. Um

421
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>> but then we then the clock would be

422
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running. We could say we have until this

423
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time for you to decide.

424
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>> There will come a time in the not too

425
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distant future it is to be hoped.

426
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>> Yeah.

427
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>> Where they're going to have to we're

428
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going to have to fish or cut bait. But

429
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at this point, I don't know that like

430
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tonight, I don't really think there's

431
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anything we

432
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maybe even should

433
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do other than acknowledge their request

434
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and say that we'll we'll keep keep an

435
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open mind on that particular issue

436
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because the fact that we voted for it

437
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does not cast it in stone.

438
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>> So yeah, until it's cast in stone, it

439
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can be changed. understand what our

440
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recommendation is.

441
00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,160
>> What your recommendation is, but I don't

442
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think I don't know that you're quite

443
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there yet either.

444
00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,440
>> Don't don't try. I mean,

445
00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:58,960
>> we haven't sent it to your council

446
00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:00,240
formally yet.

447
00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,200
>> Agreed. But but we have agreed

448
00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,960
>> at least on that topic

449
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>> what we were going to recommend to the

450
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council. So you put it in the the plan

451
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as this is to be recommended to the

452
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council and maybe even called their

453
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attention to it and perhaps some other

454
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things in your cover letter saying

455
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here's the plan we created. Um this is

456
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the lawyer thing. Please pay particular

457
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attention to page 73 or whatever.

458
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>> Um

459
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and uh they can reach out. We all can

460
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reach out to the sners. They they won't

461
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have an answer because this is not going

462
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to be resolved by then.

463
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>> Okay.

464
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>> Um

465
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>> I'm going to do that.

466
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>> Has the council signed off on on those?

467
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>> No. No. They This is They don't get this

468
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piece yet until

469
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>> they know probably. I'm assuming that

470
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they know what has happened, but they we

471
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don't give it to them like a section at

472
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a time. They'll get the whole thing.

473
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Okay. as will anybody else who's

474
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reviewing it. The county, the whoever,

475
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Baltimore Regional Council, I don't

476
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think that's what they call themselves

477
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anymore, but

478
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>> BMC

479
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either way.

480
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>> All those folks.

481
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>> Yep.

482
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» [snorts]

483
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>> And who knows, you know, maybe by then

484
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they will e even if it isn't resolved,

485
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they may for their own reasons change

486
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their mind and either say

487
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pull it, you know, just pull our request

488
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at which point you acknowledge that

489
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they've pulled the request and uh or

490
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they may say go ahead on and we'll

491
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figure it out. There's just no way for

492
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me to predict what they're going to want

493
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to do. Leaving it as it is now in our

494
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recommended comprehensive plan

495
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doesn't preclude them from even if it

496
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went through with the 60-day period and

497
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the council adopted. They could always

498
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come back to us and

499
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,520
>> they can always come back and ask for an

500
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amendment. If the plan is adopted with

501
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that those lots gone that haven't been

502
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said also the electeds the legislative

503
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body can say we really like your plan

504
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but for you know this section and we

505
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don't want the SN land to come out of

506
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our growth area boundary and the reason

507
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they would do that is because the Sners

508
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asked them to

509
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>> fair enough I don't mean that to sound

510
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like that that's in any way improper u

511
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but you are not the the final decision

512
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maker on this. As you all know,

513
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>> we are the final decision maker on what

514
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we want to recommend.

515
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>> You send to them.

516
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>> Yes. And it doesn't sound to me like

517
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there's any real need

518
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to go and change what we're

519
00:20:40,159 --> 00:20:42,559
recommending. We've always

520
00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:44,080
need to change what you're recommending

521
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at this point based on that letter

522
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saying, "Please put it on hold." Because

523
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we're still on hold. We haven't gotten

524
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to the progress point yet. If it had

525
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been affirmed from them, we would like

526
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to have that withdrawn. That might have

527
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been a different story then if they said

528
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>> there's a blown out in there. I don't

529
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,280
know what you mean.

530
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,840
>> Said if the stators had come to us and

531
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said not say put it on hold. No, we

532
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,000
changed our mind. We don't want to have

533
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:10,960
you pull that out.

534
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>> And then I would recommend that you

535
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voted to [cough] that you

536
00:21:13,989 --> 00:21:15,360
[clears throat] voted to include it. But

537
00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:18,159
then we come back to Ethan's point. It's

538
00:21:18,159 --> 00:21:22,240
like I've got the plan. I don't have to

539
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,840
write down that I'm asking you not to

540
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,840
change the plan because the plan is

541
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,840
still good.

542
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,280
So all you would have to do is not

543
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change it. Now that having been said,

544
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you know me, I like I like history. I

545
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want I don't I don't want somebody 10

546
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years from now saying, "Well, it came

547
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out and then I went back in and I don't

548
00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:42,080
know why and with luck I will be retired

549
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,000
by then or dead." So um and no one will

550
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,200
know

551
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,080
>> the difference.

552
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,840
that's entirely likely

553
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,600
also

554
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,559
Yeah. All right. So, that was a whole

555
00:21:54,559 --> 00:21:55,840
bunch of We're not going to do anything

556
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:56,320
right now.

557
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,240
>> There you go. That's all that's that's a

558
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,240
answer for you.

559
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,120
>> And planner's answer for you.

560
00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:04,720
>> Now, there's three different parcels

561
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:05,200
here.

562
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:05,919
>> Yeah.

563
00:22:05,919 --> 00:22:07,840
>> So, right now, they want all three taken

564
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:08,240
back out.

565
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:09,360
>> That's my understanding.

566
00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:10,720
>> So, what happens when they come back and

567
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,640
they we already have it for the three

568
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,320
and they only want to take one parcel.

569
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,960
>> Then I think we're in the same same

570
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,799
boat. We just

571
00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:23,440
do a new vote that says this is what we

572
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,919
voted for and on request from the

573
00:22:25,919 --> 00:22:28,559
applicant we've decided to take two out

574
00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:31,200
and leave one in or whatever it is. So

575
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,440
long as it's done at this level, so long

576
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,440
as it's done before it goes to the

577
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,320
legislative body, I think, you know, you

578
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:43,520
can make all kinds of changes and not even just on that with with the far

579
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,000
with just regular text so long as it

580
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:51,520
hasn't gone to them yet for action

581
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,280
because when it comes back from 60-day

582
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,120
review, I would be willing to bet for

583
00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:57,360
the use of my right arm that it that

584
00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:59,200
review is not going to say, "Gee, this

585
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,720
is great. We don't have a thing to say.

586
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,799
I've never seen that. I would like that,

587
00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:07,120
but I've never seen it. So, there's

588
00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:08,640
going to be more changes made.

589
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,520
>> This is not an unprecedented

590
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,320
>> situation. I mean, even the the agenda

591
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,960
item that I have in Bridg's council

592
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,559
meeting has to do this evening with a

593
00:23:20,559 --> 00:23:22,720
press application on a parcel that had

594
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,240
come out of the growth area boundary

595
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,679
that some of it's still within the

596
00:23:25,679 --> 00:23:27,200
growth area boundary. So you know there

597
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:27,919
sounds

598
00:23:27,919 --> 00:23:30,159
>> it's a very you know there's very you

599
00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:33,200
know these things happen in the other um

600
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,120
>> you know alongside and adjacent to the

601
00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:37,039
other corporate limits and growth area

602
00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:38,799
other municipalities within the county.

603
00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:41,909
>> Sure.

604
00:23:41,919 --> 00:23:43,200
» I don't have anything else for county

605
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,520
update.

606
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:50,789
>> Thank you guys.

607
00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:52,559
» Yeah. I am not sure exactly how it

608
00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:54,559
slides in there,

609
00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:57,280
>> but if it doesn't fall out, that's how.

610
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,880
>> Perfect.

611
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,039
>> All right. So, that effectively also

612
00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:03,679
takes care of what was on the agenda is

613
00:24:03,679 --> 00:24:05,600
our fifth item, the Snaker property

614
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,559
update. So, let's go back to the former

615
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:12,960
at Property. [clears throat]

616
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,840
Terry, you're up.

617
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,919
>> So, I know that

618
00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:21,520
>> there's the top three stages.

619
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:26,000
The top three pages is is what I was in.

620
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,679
>> I got bored, too.

621
00:24:27,679 --> 00:24:37,669
>> Oh, okay. Oh, okay. [clears throat]

622
00:24:37,679 --> 00:24:42,640
>> Thank you.

623
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,902
>> You want you guys?

624
00:24:44,902 --> 00:24:46,867
[snorts]

625
00:24:46,867 --> 00:24:48,799
[clears throat]

626
00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:51,279
>> Yeah. I had actually gotten the one that

627
00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:52,480
came through the email. So, if you're

628
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,000
shy one,

629
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,880
>> I think he's revised something

630
00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:59,679
more.

631
00:24:59,679 --> 00:25:01,440
>> He's adding more to it.

632
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,960
>> I got one right here.

633
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,640
>> I'm going to leave this one here in case

634
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,679
anybody wants it.

635
00:25:07,679 --> 00:25:11,430
>> Oh, thank you, Drew.

636
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,559
» Sorry about that.

637
00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:17,360
>> All right. So,

638
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,679
if everybody reviewed the first three

639
00:25:19,679 --> 00:25:22,240
pages, it's kind of a letter that we put

640
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,039
together just explaining what we're

641
00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:27,440
trying to do and where we find that we

642
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,960
need variances. And then the third page

643
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,240
was uh a drawing that we did as far as

644
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,720
like the Christmas wish list of all park

645
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,559
in there. So, what I added was a fourth

646
00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:43,919
drawing. The fourth drawing

647
00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:46,240
basically shows

648
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,720
uh a parking lot that we derived that

649
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,960
would allow us to buy out and make alley

650
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,600
work with only three variances from the

651
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,360
zoning. And the variances on the fourth

652
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:05,039
uh page

653
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:08,159
would be 1T off the property line on the

654
00:26:08,159 --> 00:26:10,880
north side, one foot off the property

655
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,159
line on the west side, and to continue

656
00:26:14,159 --> 00:26:17,679
to back out on order street as it always

657
00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:22,159
has been. So, as far as the zoning issue

658
00:26:22,159 --> 00:26:24,799
and change of use, we're only asking for

659
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:28,159
four things, those four items, um, to

660
00:26:28,159 --> 00:26:32,978
make it work, uh, with a total of

661
00:26:32,978 --> 00:26:33,600
[snorts]

662
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,440
39 parking spots, 18 of which we secured

663
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,240
with New Wor Company at the carinal

664
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:45,423
ground. So, at 39 spots, we exceed if we

665
00:26:45,423 --> 00:26:46,559
[clears throat] only are on the first

666
00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:48,799
floor of the building. And according

667
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:54,640
what I read, 2700 square foot, 27 spots.

668
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,480
So we exceed what we need there. But the

669
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,559
picture that I have that I sent out to

670
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:04,799
everybody, that would be if we could

671
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:07,279
expand, come out on Alley, make it one

672
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:10,240
through one way through our parking lot.

673
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,840
Uh as you look down going uh south,

674
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,559
you'll see two spots. that says u this

675
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:18,559
is the one I sent out that says double

676
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:20,480
mark because we have two employees there

677
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,960
and then we always have a spot for

678
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,080
either me and Joe and Lisa to pull in

679
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,200
behind

680
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,360
>> are you working on the first

681
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:31,120
>> I'm going back on the first one first

682
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:35,430
>> I'm back on the first

683
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,240
so [clears throat] I went to the county

684
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,200
I met with Jenn

685
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,760
and prior to buying the property what I

686
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,559
needed to know was whether the county

687
00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:50,320
would see it as it is right now, not

688
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,039
look into past or whatever because

689
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:54,960
there's like a gray area within the

690
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,760
county on disturbance. All right, I got

691
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,360
5,000 square ft of disturbance, 5,000

692
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:04,480
square ft impervious area is what I felt

693
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,399
that we could have uh once we bought

694
00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:12,399
out. So, let me verify that and uh I

695
00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:14,640
have a letter from the county stating

696
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,679
that they're taking it as it is right

697
00:28:17,679 --> 00:28:20,080
now. So, I'm not going to be right at

698
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,880
5,000 square ft, but I that is the rules

699
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,799
of the land. It's in your town, it's in

700
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:29,200
the county. So, non-pervious area, we

701
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,480
have to look at everything we're doing.

702
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,840
Our sidewalks, pavers, anything adds to

703
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,520
that non-pervious area. So, when I put

704
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,000
this together, [clears throat]

705
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,200
prior to going south downside,

706
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,559
I was somewhere under 4,000 square ft.

707
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:50,399
And what I tried to make clear in the

708
00:28:50,399 --> 00:28:53,360
letter was that maybe we don't get all

709
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,679
six spots down that side. Maybe we only

710
00:28:55,679 --> 00:28:58,880
get four, maybe we only get five. That

711
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,240
is going to be determined by John Lman

712
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,679
went out. We have good survey. Uh but

713
00:29:05,679 --> 00:29:08,240
John went out and he done an

714
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,760
announcement on everything. Every

715
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,640
everything that is nonpurpose right now

716
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,960
and then we will design it. There's

717
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,840
areas that are non various that were

718
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,480
taken out which we can be credited for.

719
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,159
There's some asphalt that I don't need

720
00:29:22,159 --> 00:29:26,559
here or there. Um, so that that's I

721
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:29,600
don't know how everybody here I don't

722
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,960
know how this goes from here to council

723
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,640
and everything else, but let me be known

724
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,880
the area of the rightway or I want I

725
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,960
don't want to say right away where we're

726
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,320
asking to come off of your lane. We're

727
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,679
basically asking for a rightway and us

728
00:29:47,679 --> 00:29:51,120
pay that right away. that will be in our

729
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,840
5,000 ft uh our 5,000 ft uh square foot

730
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:01,440
count. Uh but basically if the town of

731
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,440
New Windsor would not allow us to do

732
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,279
that, it's reflected in the next drawing

733
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:10,880
which I go from 49 spots down to 39. So

734
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,679
I have to have a turn around at the end

735
00:30:13,679 --> 00:30:16,000
and then I only get two park spots for

736
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,480
the employees. Um, and and there's where

737
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,679
I'm at, Lauren Party. But I only ask

738
00:30:23,679 --> 00:30:27,279
this council for three variances. One,

739
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:29,600
the change of use. Uh, that's not really

740
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,840
a variance, but it's a change of use.

741
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,159
But the variances I'm asking for is one

742
00:30:34,159 --> 00:30:37,039
foot off the north line, one foot off

743
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:40,240
the west line, and to continue

744
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,559
connected,

745
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:44,720
and you're not allowed to back out onto

746
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,360
a street. So, we've always backed that

747
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,360
on the street. So, I don't know whether

748
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,440
that applies, but basically I'm truly

749
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,520
asking for two variances to be one foot

750
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,320
off the lines,

751
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,679
but however this goes from here goes to

752
00:30:59,679 --> 00:31:06,399
the council. if we can get the park and come off gear and go around here. If

753
00:31:06,399 --> 00:31:10,000
there's any concerns with the area that

754
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,440
you guys maintain as far as the um you

755
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,799
know, your stock piles and your

756
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:16,799
dumpsters and so forth. I mean, there's

757
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:18,240
things we can do. There's things that we

758
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,320
can do with fencing. There's a lot of

759
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,760
things we can do to help out. But for us

760
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,000
to go upstairs,

761
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,679
we need this part. Right now, as I try

762
00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:32,480
to explain the letter, we can do that

763
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,120
downstairs at 75 people, eight

764
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,880
employees. You got what it rolls down

765
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,559
to. Uh, and we'll do that and get that

766
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:44,240
with that parking as far as sheet to go

767
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,600
upstairs. We know through building from

768
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,519
this side of town, we got an elevator.

769
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:50,799
Well, I won't say an elevator. It's

770
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:53,679
called ADA lift. The big difference

771
00:31:53,679 --> 00:31:57,200
moneywise at least. Uh, and then we need

772
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,919
to sprinkle the entire building.

773
00:31:59,919 --> 00:32:02,559
We've looked at those budget numbers and

774
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:05,279
they kind of can work into our budget,

775
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,440
but we still have to do a flow test with

776
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,919
Wayne to make sure that the flow is

777
00:32:09,919 --> 00:32:12,240
there on that 4-in main coming down that

778
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,559
street. So, that would be the very last

779
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:17,120
thing that would be done

780
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,159
to achieve the utilization of the

781
00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:23,440
upstairs. and they would be more so like

782
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,440
private rooms where somebody would rent

783
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,760
it for a family of 12 people or 15

784
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,679
people or whatever the room would

785
00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:31,200
accommodate.

786
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,279
Um

787
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:36,240
I um

788
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,559
the other thing I put in the letter was

789
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:42,480
if you go to the the next page after

790
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,640
that

791
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,679
if you look at the overview you'll see I

792
00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:50,080
point out it's a bad my prime run at me

793
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,760
so I apologize. Uh but I point out where

794
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,519
the

795
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:57,600
fire company was working on the 18

796
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:02,080
spots. I point out that there at the

797
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,519
tennis courts, we can get, you know, 6 7

798
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:08,880
8 nine more spaces there. We would pay

799
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,919
for the engineering and we would pay to

800
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:14,720
go into the county to get those spots

801
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,039
and consider that area as a municipal

802
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:20,080
parking lot that anybody can park on. We

803
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,919
would put signage up on the floor

804
00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:26,320
existing spots that no athlete house

805
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,799
people use that so somebody would never

806
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:32,640
cut somebody off as far as the play test

807
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,039
on a Saturday afternoon if we were busy

808
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,919
there. But you have that and then down

809
00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:41,519
below after meeting with uh Janet and

810
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:45,600
Meer, I know that the county is in the

811
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,360
process of I don't want to say a

812
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,960
regional bond, but whatever you want to

813
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,840
call it, an overall bond for Windsor

814
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,240
that's down at the bottom there off to

815
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,679
the left of Gear Lake. They're getting,

816
00:33:57,679 --> 00:34:00,640
according [clears throat] to Janet Meer,

817
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,600
they're getting a new engineer on that

818
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,159
and maybe that's three years out. Well,

819
00:34:06,159 --> 00:34:09,839
if that was 3 years out, it would allow

820
00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:14,320
us to maybe buy into that pond. So, they

821
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,320
calculate what, you know, if the pond's

822
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,240
a million dollars and there's a million

823
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:21,119
cubic feet of nonous area, that's a

824
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:24,240
dollar uh cubic foot or square foot,

825
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:26,240
however they figure it. But we could buy

826
00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:28,800
into that pond and put parking down

827
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,320
there on the lower portion of our

828
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,040
property and or maybe put parking on

829
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:38,079
your property. Okay. So, there's there's

830
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:40,480
many ways of looking at it. Another

831
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,839
thing we looked at, if you look at the

832
00:34:41,839 --> 00:34:44,560
last color picture,

833
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,399
if you look at that little garage next

834
00:34:46,399 --> 00:34:49,040
to the salt deck, the garage set on our

835
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,679
property, we build a road straight

836
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:53,440
through into those tennis courts and

837
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,359
make a loop all the way around in there

838
00:34:55,359 --> 00:34:57,920
if that would be of any use. All I'm

839
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,839
saying, I guess, is there's things that

840
00:34:59,839 --> 00:35:04,480
we're willing to do uh to get to the end

841
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,040
of the line as far as having enough

842
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,599
parking. And if it takes parking and

843
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:11,599
making municipal lots and stuff like

844
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:13,760
that, we're willing to do that because

845
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,400
we want something uh I thought for

846
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,720
everybody here, but

847
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:20,560
we we don't want a small thing here. We

848
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,800
want something that's going to

849
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,200
accommodate enough people where people

850
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,960
doesn't have to walk any longer than

851
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,599
they have to walk. As we're in there in

852
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:33,680
the ladder, you know, we can paint all

853
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,920
the way from our spot all the way down

854
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,079
to the cargo grounds. That street's 24

855
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:40,400
foot wide. We could pay a 4ft wide

856
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,119
swipe. But if we had permission to run a

857
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:44,800
golf cart, if we were doing really well

858
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,640
and we just jockey some people down

859
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,960
there, we could do that. I would never

860
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,599
do that in Union Bridge at the flood

861
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:53,520
zone. Always wanted to do that in Union

862
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,520
Ridge, but I I did not want the

863
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,440
liability across in 75,

864
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:58,160
>> right?

865
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,320
>> Uh that and we worked with the state to

866
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,240
try to get a crosswalk there. There was

867
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:03,920
no way I was ever going to get across.

868
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,680
Everybody was complaining that, you

869
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,599
know, get a crosswalk. There was no way

870
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:08,880
the state was going to give us a

871
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,400
crosswalk there. You had to go to the

872
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,079
first intersection.

873
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:14,640
>> So here,

874
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:15,920
I don't know. I've only been down there

875
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,920
4 weeks. I don't see anybody but a guy

876
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,040
that comes and inspects the uh the

877
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,440
treatment plant down there once a day

878
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,680
and then I see somebody every now and

879
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,440
then do

880
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,400
or something they call out. But I don't

881
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,240
know the process, but I know there's a

882
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:34,240
chicken and egg part of this. You know,

883
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:36,560
I know that I need to submit a drawing

884
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,880
to the county and that count that

885
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,599
drawing comes back to you guys, but I

886
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:43,520
really felt it's necessary to have the

887
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,200
drawing that's going to suit you more

888
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,160
than the county.

889
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,920
>> Yeah, we are more important

890
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,599
>> in this process. We are more important.

891
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:51,440
>> You are the county is going to look at

892
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,800
it from a fire aspect. Other than that,

893
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,320
there's nothing really that they can say

894
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,560
uh right or wrong to it. It's all pulls

895
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,040
back to New Wor. So, it's more important

896
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,240
that I have a concept here that I get

897
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:08,960
John with RDF to draw that is right that

898
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,040
when it gets submitted, we don't kick it

899
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,400
around because I know it's going to be

900
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,240
six, seven months getting through the C.

901
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:16,640
We don't plan our until next September.

902
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,119
But you put us now six or seven months

903
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:22,400
before we can even start on our outside

904
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,640
lots. Now you're now you're looking into

905
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,680
May. Time just moves awful fast. I know

906
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,720
the internal work we'll be ready to

907
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:33,760
submit those drawings very soon from our

908
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,160
architect and so forth. Uh you know

909
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,079
that's a six week process. That's

910
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:42,400
nothing. but to get uh to get what we

911
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,599
need to spend that money. Let's just say

912
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:47,520
that the town wasn't going to go along

913
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,359
with anything. Well, then we're not

914
00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:50,640
going to spend the money in the building

915
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,480
and make a restaurant. We'll keep it as

916
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,520
a bed and breakfast and a cafe or just a

917
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,119
whole second home for me and Beth and

918
00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:00,630
Joe.

919
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,560
Um so big kitchen is a big kitchen. We

920
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,760
can feed the time. Um, so that chicken

921
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,839
and egg, I just don't know how to deal

922
00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:13,200
with it within New Wor that we have

923
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,599
things right. And I fully feel that I

924
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:20,079
understand that you guys are the ones,

925
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:23,520
guys, ladies are the ones that approve

926
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,599
those variances.

927
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:28,560
But how does it work as far as someone

928
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,760
looking for what we're asking to come in

929
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,160
as a rightaway, not purchase the ground,

930
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,960
but a rightaway off of gear? We already

931
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,160
go over New Windsor property of 5 ft on

932
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,880
the east side as we enter our parking

933
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,960
spot. So there's not much difference in

934
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,560
the concept. It's um it's the access.

935
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:53,200
So, I'm I'm all ears for any help that

936
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,440
you can give us to go in the right

937
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,839
direction cuz you know we put this all

938
00:38:57,839 --> 00:39:00,640
in front of you what two months ago I

939
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,280
guess but it's all worked out well.

940
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,119
We're excited.

941
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:07,520
Is there anything you got to say? You

942
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,880
know, I think you cover [laughter] that.

943
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,000
>> I'm good.

944
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,560
>> She's got her magnolia. She's done.

945
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,640
>> I have a question.

946
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,560
>> Maybe I'll go off rack on that. She's

947
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,640
not the magnolia [laughter]

948
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:21,440
tree.

949
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,520
>> That's what the magnolia trees sing.

950
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:24,480
>> I know. I know.

951
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,000
>> Magnolia trees.

952
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,480
>> So there's there's so many ways to get

953
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,680
parking. And if it wasn't a 5,000 square

954
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,480
foot restriction and I mean that's the

955
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,800
toughest restriction of any state any

956
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,000
state.

957
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:40,800
>> I mean it's

958
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,320
>> that's for storm water management.

959
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:42,640
That's right.

960
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:43,839
>> Storm water management.

961
00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:48,640
>> And 5,000 square ft is so minute. Uh but

962
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:53,520
I I have a letter from me stating that

963
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,400
what we have there we build upon the way

964
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,960
it is right there. They reviewed all the

965
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,440
permits that the pierces pulled.

966
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,280
Everything was done right. There's never

967
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,720
been any problems. Therefore, because

968
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:09,680
for me that day it it couldn't be gray.

969
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,119
It had to be black or white. If it was

970
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:13,359
white, we we just didn't go any further

971
00:40:13,359 --> 00:40:15,760
on the project. And no hard feelings. it

972
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,800
just we move on. If it was black, then

973
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,880
we knew we could move forward with the

974
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,480
project

975
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,680
and uh and take it for what it's worth

976
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,920
as far as as we go along and what we can

977
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,640
get as we go along. The second part of

978
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,520
it was securing the 18 spots with uh the

979
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,680
fire company. If we didn't do that, we

980
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,640
couldn't help. So, you know, that we

981
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,480
we've worked the lease out with them. It

982
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,000
isn't a handshake. We've worked the

983
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,720
lease out with them. We're paying for

984
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:47,200
that usage. We're not getting it free,

985
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,200
but we have something for three years.

986
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,079
And no one knows three years from now.

987
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:54,240
Maybe they'll open up things down below.

988
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:56,800
But the house can only hold so many

989
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,079
people. We figure 75 downstairs because

990
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,319
it's a very laid-back atmosphere. We're

991
00:41:02,319 --> 00:41:03,599
looking for we're not looking for

992
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:05,520
everybody to be back to back in chairs.

993
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,359
This is going to be one dining room. The

994
00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:09,200
other rooms that have couches, arm

995
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,520
chairs, u coffee tables, 70 upstairs,

996
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,319
Joe, what do we say? 50 people maybe max

997
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:18,800
>> max 50 people. So, we're only looking at

998
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,599
a venue that holds 125. So, you say,

999
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:25,760
okay, 49 spots, that's pretty good. But

1000
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,079
we we want to do [clears throat] summer

1001
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:31,440
things. I don't you whether it's Pimnico

1002
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,200
race and everybody wears big hats and

1003
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,680
dresses, whatever. I'm just throwing

1004
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,240
that out there. But we want big events

1005
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:40,240
and we know that we can ask permission

1006
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:42,720
maybe from the fire company to utilize

1007
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:44,160
their parking lot if they didn't have

1008
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,880
anything going on for that one day. But

1009
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,560
the more spots that we can get on site

1010
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,839
um the better the better we do and the

1011
00:41:53,839 --> 00:41:57,359
more we can grow those events

1012
00:41:57,359 --> 00:42:00,240
150 I mean 125 is one thing plus your

1013
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,160
employees that's you know eight on

1014
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,319
downstairs you need another two to three

1015
00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:07,200
upstairs so you're 11 uh so you got to

1016
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,319
count those in two so it's 53 additional

1017
00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:13,680
but the more parking we can get the more

1018
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,839
successful I feel that we can be

1019
00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:17,599
>> let me If I may, let me ask you a couple

1020
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:19,760
of questions to make sure I'm clear.

1021
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,839
>> This body can, as part of your site plan

1022
00:42:23,839 --> 00:42:26,560
approval, which we're not really at yet,

1023
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,480
but we're semi,

1024
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,880
has the legal authority to to if they

1025
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,920
want to approve what is a tantamount to

1026
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,880
a variance by approving your site plan

1027
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,040
so that you're a foot off, 2 feet off,

1028
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,720
wherever you have to be, whichever

1029
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:43,839
lines. What this body does not have the

1030
00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:48,079
ex the ability to do is to say

1031
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:50,240
standing alone,

1032
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:51,839
okay, you can come all the way through

1033
00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:53,839
and come up gear lane.

1034
00:42:53,839 --> 00:42:54,880
>> That's council.

1035
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,640
>> That's going to be the council.

1036
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,839
>> And we can you use some of the council's

1037
00:42:59,839 --> 00:43:02,160
Earth Town's property for parking.

1038
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,400
That's going to be part of the council.

1039
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:09,920
>> So, we can do what we can do. What I

1040
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,079
what you might need to do and I

1041
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:13,680
apologize to you for not knowing this

1042
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,790
off top my head

1043
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,319
if

1044
00:43:20,319 --> 00:43:23,440
the code authorizes it. I think it

1045
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,760
might. I know the county does and we

1046
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,880
copy a lot of the county stuff

1047
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,160
has provisions that say with formal

1048
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,640
agreement

1049
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,800
a development can use off-site parking

1050
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,880
you're gold

1051
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,800
you bring into the council you bring

1052
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,280
into this body this is the number of

1053
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,119
parking spaces we need to get some of

1054
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:48,720
them here some of them here some of them

1055
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:51,200
in the fire hall some of them on town

1056
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,319
property this group cannot agree to let

1057
00:43:54,319 --> 00:43:56,960
you do that on town property. The

1058
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,200
electeds have to let you do that on town

1059
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,119
property. And that's why you've got this

1060
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:03,280
little weird funky thing. Appreciate you

1061
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,200
coming because so many people just show

1062
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,119
up and then get mad when nobody's heard

1063
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:09,359
of them. So everybody here is very aware

1064
00:44:09,359 --> 00:44:11,359
of what it is you want to do,

1065
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:13,920
>> but they can do it all.

1066
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,400
>> Let's put it this way. If we take if we

1067
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,800
take the Ford plan, if we take the Ford

1068
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,240
plan,

1069
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:21,599
>> which one is that?

1070
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:24,640
>> The port plan.

1071
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:25,680
>> Oh, okay.

1072
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,680
>> Now, what you're telling me is the port

1073
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,800
plan, this body could approve the port

1074
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,119
plan because I'm not asking for any

1075
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:35,440
right away. I'm not asking for a year.

1076
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,280
I'm keeping everything on our site. And

1077
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,839
in our initial, and I don't have that

1078
00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:44,079
piece of paper, but in our initial

1079
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:46,560
meetings, I found a stipulation in Carol

1080
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,359
County that if you're within 500 ft of

1081
00:44:49,359 --> 00:44:52,560
municipal or contracted parking, there

1082
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,560
is a 5-22,

1083
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,960
whatever, that would relinquish the the

1084
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,839
fact that you would have to have if your

1085
00:45:01,839 --> 00:45:06,400
body says I need 27 spots. Okay,

1086
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,280
>> that goes toward the count and I end up

1087
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,400
with 39.

1088
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:11,839
>> I don't think that's necessarily

1089
00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:14,319
applicable in the town though. Just

1090
00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:16,400
because it is a county law does not mean

1091
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,240
it's applicable in the town.

1092
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:19,440
>> Understood. Yeah, understood.

1093
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,839
>> So, there are plenty of county laws that

1094
00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:24,319
are applicable in the town, but I don't

1095
00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:27,680
think parking is one of them. down 5,000

1096
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:28,720
ft.

1097
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:31,119
>> When there isn't or

1098
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:32,880
>> No, no, I know where you're going with

1099
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,079
that. If we're silent, they win.

1100
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:36,720
>> Excuse me.

1101
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:39,040
>> If if our law doesn't have anything that

1102
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,800
addresses the issue

1103
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,400
>> and the county does.

1104
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,119
>> Um I know that they win, but you kind of

1105
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:48,560
you review it. And uh but but so that

1106
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,480
one stipulation there has got to go to

1107
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:51,280
the council no matter

1108
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,920
>> well the other what I was about to say

1109
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,359
was the fact that it let's just say

1110
00:45:57,359 --> 00:46:01,680
let's say if it is not in the code now

1111
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,440
>> that does not mean that it cannot be put

1112
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:04,160
in the code.

1113
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,280
>> Understood.

1114
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,680
>> So and we wait it doesn't take all that

1115
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,000
long unless there's some major outcry

1116
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,200
about parking on water street which I I

1117
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,520
think is a little unlikely but you never

1118
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:16,560
know. Um,

1119
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,079
>> what do you mean parking or

1120
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:19,760
>> Well, not I mean I just Wall Street was

1121
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,240
the name that I saw. Parking downtown.

1122
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,079
Parking way down. People complain so

1123
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:25,760
much about, you know, we can't park on

1124
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,119
High Street. I have to walk, you know,

1125
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:29,520
like a half a block. Um, but

1126
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,839
>> No, you mean parking down.

1127
00:46:31,839 --> 00:46:33,599
>> Yeah. No, parking where you are.

1128
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:36,640
Everywhere down there for your project.

1129
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:37,119
>> Okay.

1130
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:38,960
>> You need more parking.

1131
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:39,359
>> Yes.

1132
00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:42,319
>> All right. But it's it it feels like

1133
00:46:42,319 --> 00:46:43,920
it's easy enough for you to get the

1134
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:44,800
parking.

1135
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,480
>> Yes. with you know there's steps that

1136
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,400
have to be done. I don't think this

1137
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,560
group can do all of those steps. We can

1138
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,319
do some of those steps but not all of

1139
00:46:52,319 --> 00:46:55,200
them. So if a zoning if a zoning require

1140
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,240
if the zoning law needs to be changed to

1141
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:01,119
allow offsite parking

1142
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:02,960
for your project

1143
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,720
>> it starts it starts here

1144
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:07,280
>> and gets approved by the council

1145
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,319
>> because you're making a new

1146
00:47:08,319 --> 00:47:09,599
>> as as legislation.

1147
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:12,960
>> All right. Uh those all right. So those

1148
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,400
meetings when when I'm sorry [laughter]

1149
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,839
when did those meetings occur? What

1150
00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:20,880
>> when do those meetings?

1151
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,119
>> Well, council meets the first Wednesday and the third Monday

1152
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:27,599
of every month.

1153
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:29,440
>> There's an agenda and they have to be

1154
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,680
notified in advance and know what's

1155
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,680
going on. I guess I guess what I guess

1156
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:40,640
what I need to know is do I tell John to

1157
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,720
stop what he's doing and not submit to

1158
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,200
the county which we already know it's

1159
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,480
going to be 6 months.

1160
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,480
>> I wouldn't I wouldn't take that route if

1161
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:49,839
I could avoid that route.

1162
00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:50,480
>> All right. So,

1163
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,480
>> but we need to know what John Leman is

1164
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,160
sending to the county.

1165
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,920
>> Well, that's just it. that say either A

1166
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,640
or B in the sheet number three that got

1167
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,160
an email

1168
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,880
>> that was our Christmas list

1169
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:08,560
>> or the I don't want to say the what what

1170
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,400
the fourth page allows us to open and

1171
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,800
allows us in our feelings to serve 75

1172
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,920
people with age. All right, not go

1173
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,920
upstairs. Not spend all the money to go

1174
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:27,280
upstairs because um we just

1175
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,480
>> we won't have the amount of bargain

1176
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,599
parking here. So um the flip side of

1177
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:36,240
that though is if you submit with three

1178
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:38,079
page three

1179
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:41,760
and then you go through the various

1180
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,559
discussions and ascertain that you can

1181
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:46,880
get additional parking. You got to come

1182
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,559
back. You got to do an amended site

1183
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:51,760
plan. You've got to do more more things.

1184
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,960
You got to pay John Leman again. Um, I

1185
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,559
mean, not that John wouldn't be more

1186
00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:59,440
than happy to take your money. Um,

1187
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,160
>> so if these issues can be resolved

1188
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,079
preliminarily, you're ahead of the game

1189
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:07,200
and then everybody knows what you're

1190
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,160
working with.

1191
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,640
>> You're saying if you submit if you

1192
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,319
submit [laughter] on page three,

1193
00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:15,119
>> submit it.

1194
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:18,400
We love it because it,

1195
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,040
correct me if I'm wrong, but if I submit

1196
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,359
it, the county does not care whether I'm

1197
00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:26,960
in your right away or not.

1198
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:27,520
>> No,

1199
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:28,800
>> it's you that care.

1200
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:29,760
>> Yeah, we care.

1201
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,760
>> All right. So, if you if if the council

1202
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,280
rejects that, okay, and they go back to

1203
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,160
plan four, because I'm not asking

1204
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,720
anything of the town other than one foot

1205
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:45,119
and one foot. I'm very I'm supposed to

1206
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:46,160
be

1207
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,760
No, I'm I'm I'm the next sheet. The next

1208
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,680
sheet. I don't ask anything of the town

1209
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,359
other than I never go on your property.

1210
00:49:55,359 --> 00:49:58,160
All I do is I stay one foot where it's

1211
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,079
supposed to be 5 foot on two property

1212
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:03,200
lines and I continue to back out on the

1213
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,000
street that we always or someone always

1214
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,319
had. So for me, that's our slam dunk.

1215
00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:12,319
I mean, that's that's that was enough

1216
00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:14,720
for me that we talked.

1217
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:16,720
Um

1218
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:19,599
but I you know just in conversations and

1219
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:22,079
thought process I thought I'd lay this

1220
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:25,520
concept on something. I lose you know

1221
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,839
the more parking and this is the last

1222
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:30,160
thing I'll say about it.

1223
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,440
>> The the more parking we get and I wrote

1224
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,440
this in the letter. I might not take

1225
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,920
half the garage away. I might only take

1226
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,960
12, 13 ft off for one parallel parking

1227
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,680
spot because the garage has so much

1228
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,079
potential going back and parking. Well,

1229
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:48,000
we dream of all these things we can do

1230
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,760
in the garage as you know antique shops

1231
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,280
this this all to go with the restaurant

1232
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,800
but then it needs additional market

1233
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,000
general market and that's one parking

1234
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,480
spot per 30 square ft.

1235
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,200
the plan and that's why I put the plan

1236
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,880
together the way it was at 49 spots. I

1237
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,920
think I get I get it all at 49 spots. Um

1238
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,760
so

1239
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,920
even losing two and keeping that

1240
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,599
building a little bit bigger. I mean I

1241
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:25,200
would tear up that building down. I'd

1242
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,359
tear the whole building down took it.

1243
00:51:27,359 --> 00:51:29,200
Yeah. But the more we start looking at

1244
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,119
the garage, we're like in a Vessa's

1245
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:33,359
antique shop. You know, we look at this,

1246
00:51:33,359 --> 00:51:35,040
we look at that. There's so many things

1247
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,640
that can be utilized there. Little

1248
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,079
coffee shop that's open hours before the

1249
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:42,720
athlete cuz I would tell you from my

1250
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:44,800
standpoint, we're thinking of Vic. We

1251
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,319
ain't think it's small here.

1252
00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:48,665
>> That is your way.

1253
00:51:48,665 --> 00:51:50,079
[clears throat]

1254
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:51,280
>> Well, there's a lot there's a lot of

1255
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,359
foot traffic around the house during the

1256
00:51:53,359 --> 00:51:55,440
day that I wasn't aware of. I've always

1257
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,680
just trimming through town for 28 years

1258
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:58,319
of work.

1259
00:51:58,319 --> 00:51:58,640
>> Yeah.

1260
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,319
>> But it's very nice to see people out

1261
00:52:00,319 --> 00:52:02,319
walking dogs and pushing babies,

1262
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:05,040
strolling around. There's

1263
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,559
>> walking around here.

1264
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:09,599
>> More pedestrian traffic than vehicular

1265
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:10,720
traffic.

1266
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:12,480
>> A lot of pickle ball players.

1267
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,480
>> Oh, there's a lot of pickle ball

1268
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:15,760
players. Certainly.

1269
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,960
>> Very serious event over there.

1270
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,640
So for us, you know, we you know what we

1271
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,599
did was we went in and we cleaned up the

1272
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:30,559
outside decorated for fall and you know,

1273
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:33,680
>> so we're done till the spring. uh will

1274
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,599
be working inside, but our fine line

1275
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:40,000
where where I have a hard time drawing

1276
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,920
the fine line is you're you're not at to

1277
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,000
go in and start spending all this money

1278
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,480
on the inside if you're not going to get

1279
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,000
home with the 75 people. I mean, it it's

1280
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,079
just that simple because there's a lot

1281
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:55,599
of money going to get spent inside this

1282
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:55,920
building.

1283
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,400
>> Oh, yeah, man.

1284
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,200
>> I said what I had to say.

1285
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,839
So, I mean, Dave's on the council. I

1286
00:53:03,839 --> 00:53:04,319
don't know what

1287
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:07,200
>> Okay, so when I received the the

1288
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,559
drawings, um I know that that most of

1289
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:12,559
you guys you you probably can't you

1290
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:14,880
know, what do you do? Is it is the town

1291
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,440
interested in letting there be a right

1292
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,200
of way there and parking along that

1293
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,800
side, right? Uh, in the past the town

1294
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,880
Gary and Wayne have pretty much not

1295
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,839
liked Gear Lane being an open road,

1296
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:31,599
right? They've talked about closing the

1297
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:34,400
gate even uh to the town citizens who

1298
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:35,920
want to bring their stuff in. You know,

1299
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,760
it's only open when when we're there,

1300
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,040
right? So, I called Gary U because I

1301
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,400
figured you guys might swivel your head

1302
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:43,680
and look at me. Hey, what's the town

1303
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:48,559
council thinking about that? and and um

1304
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:51,119
you know so as you know that garage up

1305
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:52,559
at the top where the rightway is that's

1306
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:56,079
our salt barn right so that's

1307
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:56,880
>> this drawing

1308
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,720
>> that's the that's the salt barn

1309
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:00,960
>> first one in here

1310
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,119
>> and um you know that needs to not be

1311
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:08,319
impeded right and so that rightway

1312
00:54:08,319 --> 00:54:11,280
coming through there um there's not a

1313
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:16,640
lot of room there but it it certainly it certainly can work, right? So, we

1314
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,720
have those issues. Um, we have issues

1315
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:24,400
with the fact that we've been thinking

1316
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,319
about doing something down there at Gear

1317
00:54:26,319 --> 00:54:28,960
Lane to redo that whole area. We've

1318
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,240
already spent some money to have um that

1319
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:34,000
laid out a little different, but but

1320
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,559
during that time, Gary and Wayne started

1321
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:38,240
looking at some additional properties,

1322
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:40,559
and so that kind of got put on hold.

1323
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:42,720
those additional properties may be

1324
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:45,760
outside the the the budget uh that that

1325
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,920
we have to spend on that. So I think

1326
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,160
there Gary's maybe swiveling a little

1327
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,760
bit now thinking that maybe we need to

1328
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,079
go back to thinking about relaying out

1329
00:54:56,079 --> 00:54:59,280
that area down there. If we relay out

1330
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,520
that area down there, there's certainly

1331
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,440
potential to make this rightway area

1332
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,960
through their work and still keep the

1333
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,599
public works facility I don't want to

1334
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:13,599
say quarantined off, but you know what

1335
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:15,440
would happen? There's a lot of just

1336
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,240
gravel lot down there and if if Jerry's

1337
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:21,200
place Jerry Joe's place started really

1338
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:22,880
people could just go down there and park

1339
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,359
anywhere, right? So something would have

1340
00:55:25,359 --> 00:55:27,599
to happen. and we'd have to have some

1341
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:29,520
kind of fences. We'd have to do some

1342
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,599
something that that all could happen,

1343
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:34,000
right? And and so I had that

1344
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,440
conversation with Gary and he was like,

1345
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,359
"Well, yes, we all that can happen. That

1346
00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:41,599
is probably not a showstopper for this

1347
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:43,680
project. We can do something down there

1348
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,079
to make things work for for all of

1349
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:49,440
this." Um, so I I tried to do a

1350
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,920
preemptive on that with with the town

1351
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,480
council, but uh with with the town

1352
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,559
staff, but as as Michelle says, um you

1353
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:00,880
know, that decision, I'm only one voice

1354
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,440
on the on the town council, so the rest

1355
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,440
of the people would have to hear that.

1356
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,520
They're going to need to hear from from

1357
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,920
Gary and and Wayne as well to ensure

1358
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,359
that doing that kind of thing down there

1359
00:56:15,359 --> 00:56:18,960
does not um mess up any future thoughts

1360
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,640
of what they're they're doing with that

1361
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,480
pro that property down there. um the

1362
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,119
other things that you know

1363
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:29,839
foot off the property line

1364
00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:31,920
you know we can make that decision and I

1365
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,520
don't see that I personally don't see

1366
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,680
that as a big deal at all if we decide

1367
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,599
that having that as a municipal lot over

1368
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:40,799
there and doing some that's not a a big

1369
00:56:40,799 --> 00:56:44,880
deal either the only area that I feel is

1370
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,760
a gray area is that cut through and that

1371
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,960
additional parking down the side and I

1372
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,760
think it would be nice maybe if we heard

1373
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,440
from Gary and and um I'll say the town

1374
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,480
staff to say that yes, they would

1375
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:06,160
consider uh doing that um as part of or

1376
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,200
reconfiguring the the whole gear lane

1377
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,040
facility down there that that would fit

1378
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,839
into the future plans. So

1379
00:57:13,839 --> 00:57:16,640
>> I I have an idea

1380
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,599
speaking with what you're saying.

1381
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:22,640
Why not I go

1382
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,839
with John and go with the drawing? We we

1383
00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:28,000
know the one foot isn't too much to ask

1384
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,040
for. All right. And I think you guys

1385
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,559
when you look at the code of Carol

1386
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:35,359
County and us having the 18, I think

1387
00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:37,359
that that shouldn't be problematic. All

1388
00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:38,160
right.

1389
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,280
>> The biggest problem is access to gear.

1390
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,640
>> Why do you not go through the drawing

1391
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,920
with sheet number four? The four sheet.

1392
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,480
Which one are you? What are you 20

1393
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,319
>> without the without the cut through?

1394
00:57:54,319 --> 00:57:54,799
>> All right.

1395
00:57:54,799 --> 00:57:56,480
>> This one where you have to turn around.

1396
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:57,680
>> Not the one with colors.

1397
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,720
>> I submit through the county this way.

1398
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:05,280
All right. And we go through the county.

1399
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,799
You're going to get it and let's hope it

1400
00:58:08,799 --> 00:58:10,799
gets approved and it gets through the

1401
00:58:10,799 --> 00:58:14,319
county to come back and go out on year.

1402
00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:16,799
And this is just me speaking here. Let's

1403
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:19,040
go out on here and pick up those other

1404
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,720
margin spots [clears throat] down there.

1405
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,079
If I work that out in you guys, I don't

1406
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:25,680
think about the county has anything to

1407
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,440
do with that as long as I don't go over

1408
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,280
5,000 miles.

1409
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,119
>> The county wouldn't. You'd probably need

1410
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:32,720
assuming you have an approved site plan

1411
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,160
by that point.

1412
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:34,640
>> I'm

1413
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,400
>> You might need to amend the site.

1414
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,720
>> Say I get my approved site plan. This

1415
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,880
page right here, the one that's not

1416
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,200
>> the black one. All right. That means you

1417
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,280
guys got to be the variance of one foot

1418
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,000
on the north, one foot on the west, and

1419
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,319
you got to accept the fact that we're

1420
00:58:50,319 --> 00:58:53,520
going to park 18 spots at fire. I go to

1421
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,040
the [clears throat]

1422
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:56,960
he comes to you. We go through the

1423
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,400
process and at the same time you be

1424
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,319
talking to Gary. Let's let's think of

1425
00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:04,799
what else because I had John do the

1426
00:59:04,799 --> 00:59:07,839
complete of the tennis courts. All

1427
00:59:07,839 --> 00:59:09,920
right, let's say

1428
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:14,400
here's where sticky with the county. And

1429
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,720
when I brought up the tennis courts with

1430
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,319
me and Janet,

1431
00:59:20,319 --> 00:59:22,799
we can get those spots. We could even

1432
00:59:22,799 --> 00:59:26,079
connect and be under 5,000 on that

1433
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:29,200
property. But I don't know where they

1434
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,160
will see that property in the stage like

1435
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,880
are we starting from beginning there or

1436
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,640
with everything cuz that's one big

1437
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,000
parcel with everything that has been

1438
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,720
done whether they would accept that. But

1439
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,520
all I'm getting at is we will have an

1440
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,920
approved drawing that opens us for

1441
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,920
business

1442
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,640
and then we're open for that. I'll put a

1443
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,720
drawing in front of you of the tennis

1444
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,760
courts something John draws up then the

1445
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:02,000
deal is only between you got you ladies

1446
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,319
and guys first

1447
01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:07,680
council and I get that whole process but

1448
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,079
I see no reason the county has to be

1449
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:13,440
involved in anything other than I would

1450
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,040
go to Janet Demire with that drawing

1451
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,400
representing myself but you know it's

1452
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,480
kind of a gray area there. But I would

1453
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:27,040
say this is what I'd like to do to for a new Windsor. Is this permissible?

1454
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,000
Like out through the tennis courts.

1455
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,480
There's and and even over on your side,

1456
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:38,000
there's other options over here that

1457
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,760
stone is marched out so much to the

1458
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,480
left. If I paved another 12 ft instead

1459
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,559
of a rightway, we could literally

1460
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:46,559
parallel park down through there, but we

1461
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:49,040
wouldn't get near as many spots. And I

1462
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,839
know that if there is I I could even

1463
01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:53,839
pave up to those dumpsters and put that

1464
01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:57,359
as copper, you know, of of

1465
01:00:57,359 --> 01:00:59,520
what you know, we're spending money to

1466
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,520
help us get parking in some way or

1467
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,839
another. But as far as fencing, if

1468
01:01:03,839 --> 01:01:05,680
there's some type of fencing that can be

1469
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,200
done, signage, fencing, we understand

1470
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,119
that you guys wouldn't bear any cost on

1471
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:13,200
that. We would bear the cost, but we

1472
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,520
would be getting the parking. So, but I

1473
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,640
think the safe bet is go not safe, but

1474
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,640
to me go through with this drawing

1475
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,160
number four, let it roll through the

1476
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:26,160
county and then we work it out after the

1477
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,040
fact. Because in this drawing number

1478
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,839
three that you got email, that has

1479
01:01:31,839 --> 01:01:35,040
nothing to do other than the right way

1480
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,160
out to the black top itself. And I take

1481
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,799
up that square footage on my property or

1482
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:42,720
on our property.

1483
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,079
You follow me? I don't think so.

1484
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:47,200
>> Like that 10 foot from our property line

1485
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,319
to gear I'm picking up in our square

1486
01:01:50,319 --> 01:01:52,000
footage. I'm not like saying, "All

1487
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,280
right, well that 10 by 100 that is New

1488
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,160
Windsor. That's their non-pervious area.

1489
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,160
I'd be considering that in my

1490
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,960
non-pervious area." And I think I'm

1491
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,880
probably pretty close how far it came

1492
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,440
down. Once I was waiting for John cuz

1493
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:11,119
the original tote, the original uh

1494
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:14,400
survey did not pick up uh just various

1495
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,559
things out there that were non-pervious

1496
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:19,200
areas that I want to get credit for. But

1497
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:25,839
I know off of the original survey that configuration I'm talking about

1498
01:02:25,839 --> 01:02:29,359
right now was right around right around

1499
01:02:29,359 --> 01:02:33,119
4,000 square ft. 5,000 to to burn up yet

1500
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:34,880
going down and doing what I was talking

1501
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,799
about. So that's I guess that's it's up

1502
01:02:38,799 --> 01:02:41,200
to you guys how you want me to proceed.

1503
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,880
>> So So um Jerry, just let I'm not opposed

1504
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,359
to that plan if that if if that works,

1505
01:02:47,359 --> 01:02:49,920
but uh I just want you to um make sure

1506
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:56,319
you understand the the the feelings that I have on on Gear Lane. So Gear

1507
01:02:56,319 --> 01:02:59,839
Lane is a nonused road, right? It only

1508
01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:03,599
leads back to to to us where we have our

1509
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:06,559
equipment and our buildings and nobody

1510
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:08,480
else back there, right? And we have a

1511
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,319
lot of money and a lot of equipments

1512
01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:14,160
that we've stored back there. And um and

1513
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,480
it also has a gate on the end that that

1514
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,119
could be closed that I always advocate

1515
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:21,760
to keep open because the town residents

1516
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,079
take their their yard waste back there

1517
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:26,079
and can dump it. We don't we don't have

1518
01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:29,680
Right. We don't have to to wait for um

1519
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,280
you know the trucks to come around once

1520
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,480
every uh two weeks to do that. It is

1521
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,119
locked sometimes when we do our bulk

1522
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:39,520
trash which we do twice a year. That

1523
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,079
rolls into another reason why we never

1524
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:45,680
like thought about having it a road all

1525
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,160
the way through people because the bulk

1526
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,319
trash when people hear there's some

1527
01:03:50,319 --> 01:03:53,440
dumpsters and bulk stuff ends up in

1528
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,160
there, right? and and we pay dearly for

1529
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,240
it. Sometimes they come and they dump

1530
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,480
their bulk trash in our yard waste and

1531
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:01,920
when we take it to the county, we get

1532
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,680
hit with a big bill because it's not

1533
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,280
yard waste anymore and they got to move

1534
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,680
it over and we pay the tipping fees. So,

1535
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,559
it becomes an expense and that's why in

1536
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:12,799
the past at least Gary and Wayne have

1537
01:04:12,799 --> 01:04:15,280
always been real hesitant about having

1538
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,160
that as a a through road or having it as

1539
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,640
a open all the time because when people

1540
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:25,440
do it. So my my concerns go along with

1541
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,359
that. I personally like to keep it open

1542
01:04:29,359 --> 01:04:31,839
for the residents, not just because the

1543
01:04:31,839 --> 01:04:34,720
residents work at the same time the

1544
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,119
public works and when it's closed,

1545
01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:38,319
that's when they get home, right? So

1546
01:04:38,319 --> 01:04:40,079
they can't really utilize it except on

1547
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:42,640
Saturday morning if it's if it was

1548
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:47,200
opened. So um I just feel that we need

1549
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:51,440
to to figure that out a little bit. um

1550
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,520
with the town staff that in the future

1551
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,520
at least if you go with your plan fine.

1552
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,440
In the future we can make that work. I'm

1553
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,440
not opposed to if we figure out a way to

1554
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,200
do something with our facility and it

1555
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:04,799
allows you to park in there. I

1556
01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:06,480
personally would not have a have a

1557
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,079
problem with that. I don't know how I

1558
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:10,720
feel about connecting it into the into

1559
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:14,880
the um the tennis court area, you know,

1560
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,400
getting over there where now we have

1561
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,000
maybe car traffic sneaking through

1562
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,520
there. I don't know where they'd sneak

1563
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,839
it to, but trying to to go through that

1564
01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:23,440
would be a whole another thought process

1565
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,359
I'd have to to think about. But

1566
01:05:25,359 --> 01:05:30,079
>> the even the even the spots at the um

1567
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:33,920
even on that overview of the next page

1568
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,680
down I my mathematics says that I can

1569
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:44,240
get nine spaces there. And why they're attractive spaces is because

1570
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,039
the infrastructure coming in and center

1571
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:49,680
lane is already the the center width is

1572
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,559
already made. So you're only adding for

1573
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:57,599
every you know 200 square ft is 10 going

1574
01:05:57,599 --> 01:06:01,039
180 ft for a 20 by 9 spot. You're get

1575
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:04,240
the maximum out of those. Those could be

1576
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,200
with a sidewalk coming over, never

1577
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:11,039
connect or anything. And the the one

1578
01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:12,880
attractive thing about coming out of

1579
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,520
here is just making it one way where

1580
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,680
everybody because everybody, I don't

1581
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,520
care who it's going to be, is going to

1582
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,520
come down looking for that close parking

1583
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,920
spot. There isn't going to be one there.

1584
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,520
They're going to turn around and going

1585
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,599
to go back out. I mean, that's life. I

1586
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:30,160
see that one zone. They go down that one

1587
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:31,839
side, come to the back right side of the

1588
01:06:31,839 --> 01:06:34,400
building, turn around. They pray and

1589
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,359
hope for that one spot. But but

1590
01:06:37,359 --> 01:06:38,319
>> it's never there.

1591
01:06:38,319 --> 01:06:40,319
>> I'll do whatever.

1592
01:06:40,319 --> 01:06:43,119
I'll make it work anyway. But it seems

1593
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:47,280
to me the most logical thing to do is

1594
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,240
have John draw it just like page four

1595
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:54,541
is. And he comes up what he'll say

1596
01:06:54,541 --> 01:06:55,920
[clears throat] on the drawings, I'm

1597
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,280
disturbing x amount of square foot. and

1598
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,240
I'm creating X amount of nonverbs. I

1599
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:03,359
mean, that's going to be on the

1600
01:07:03,359 --> 01:07:06,880
drawings. And at the end of the day, if

1601
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,839
coming down, number one is by not having

1602
01:07:09,839 --> 01:07:12,640
a turn around, I automatically pick up

1603
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:16,079
one spot there. Um because I don't have

1604
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:21,039
to turn around anymore. And then as you guys weed, you know, weed through

1605
01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:24,000
things, lease ways, I'll be approved for

1606
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,119
something to open, you know, and I'll

1607
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:29,440
know that we'll spend money on the

1608
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,160
inside because we know we're getting to

1609
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,480
the home stretch here. Maybe it isn't

1610
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,760
everything we want, but at least ways we

1611
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:39,081
don't know whether the water,

1612
01:07:39,081 --> 01:07:40,240
[cough and clears throat] right? And I'm

1613
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:43,760
not we are not spending 20 grand on a

1614
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,640
pump to provide more pressure because

1615
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,880
you already got the lift, the ADA lift

1616
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,039
and you got the sprinkers. It's a lot of

1617
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:53,359
money to go upstairs and you ask

1618
01:07:53,359 --> 01:07:55,039
yourself whether it's worth the 50

1619
01:07:55,039 --> 01:08:00,319
people going up there. So um to me I get

1620
01:08:00,319 --> 01:08:03,200
John to draw it like that. You will see

1621
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,400
it again. You'll see it officially.

1622
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,680
you guys would be I maybe will you work

1623
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,559
on the looking into the county as I mean

1624
01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:15,920
not county but looking at giving the

1625
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,799
variances I mean you you'll be ready to

1626
01:08:18,799 --> 01:08:21,359
give a variance possibly when this

1627
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:22,400
drawing comes in.

1628
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,000
>> Yeah. And that would be reflected on

1629
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,080
whatever John draws

1630
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,920
>> which is going to be this. Yeah. Right

1631
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,759
here. Yeah. which is going to be two.

1632
01:08:31,759 --> 01:08:32,719
>> What you what you

1633
01:08:32,719 --> 01:08:36,000
>> two plus one two easy one foot and one

1634
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,520
foot. The third one is recognizing we're

1635
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,880
creating your own new law that with you

1636
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:47,759
within 500 ft of municipal or uh paid

1637
01:08:47,759 --> 01:08:50,080
contract parking

1638
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,000
that will because you look at

1639
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,880
Johansson's right now if you park over

1640
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,440
at Paradisio I guarantee it takes 10

1641
01:08:57,440 --> 01:08:59,920
minutes to get from the Paradisio line

1642
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:02,080
>> crossing that street and getting to

1643
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:03,600
Johansson

1644
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,400
that's

1645
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,239
So, I don't know, but we can make it

1646
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:11,279
work with this and and and everything

1647
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:15,839
else is just great. But we bought it

1648
01:09:15,839 --> 01:09:19,279
with the idea of at least getting this

1649
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:21,839
many parking spots. Have we not had the

1650
01:09:21,839 --> 01:09:24,000
firewall? We have never bought and

1651
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:25,679
that's probably why nobody else has ever

1652
01:09:25,679 --> 01:09:26,880
bought it because they couldn't figure

1653
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,480
out how they're going to get park.

1654
01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:34,159
>> So, phase one is is this phase.

1655
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:36,640
>> I like that. phase one. You got it.

1656
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,279
>> And then whatever we can dream

1657
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:42,480
>> and in the next couple of months can

1658
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:44,000
>> Well, actually, you've already done

1659
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,239
phase one. You've got the agreement

1660
01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:48,640
already with the fire department. But

1661
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,560
yes,

1662
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,199
I I think that's part of the message

1663
01:09:53,199 --> 01:09:56,719
here is that it sounds like you can move

1664
01:09:56,719 --> 01:09:59,040
forward with this to be able to get the

1665
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,520
place open to get start get the process

1666
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,920
rolling and then we can then

1667
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,159
mechanically work out over the next 6

1668
01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:08,480
months to get the phase two for the

1669
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:09,199
park.

1670
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:12,159
>> Yeah. If if phase two, let's just say

1671
01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:15,040
let's say let's say we're heading to

1672
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:16,560
March through the county. I heard the

1673
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,640
biggest slowdown in the county that's on

1674
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,920
the fire side. So everything else is

1675
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:23,920
just easy cuz it's coming back to you

1676
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:25,520
guys. It isn't like the countyy's trying

1677
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,760
to prove all the things they have to do

1678
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:29,920
when it's in the county. The burden is

1679
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,719
on you in New Windsor to do all the

1680
01:10:32,719 --> 01:10:35,280
approving. They just have the fire guys

1681
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,920
got to look at it and I don't know. They

1682
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,400
look at ADA. I've got one more spot than

1683
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,960
what even is needed, but I wanted three

1684
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:47,360
ADA spots so that if we increased, I had

1685
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,600
more than enough ADA spots and I think

1686
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,719
we're we're good on that. So, we'll let

1687
01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:55,520
John draw this thing up and I tell you

1688
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,840
when I get it, even though it goes to

1689
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:59,120
account, I don't know how long it takes

1690
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,280
before it gets kicked back.

1691
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,280
>> But as soon as I get it, I'll kick it

1692
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,040
right to you. You can compare to what I

1693
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,440
give you today because it'll be one and

1694
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:09,760
the same. The only thing I just don't,

1695
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:11,600
you know, I'll show all three parking

1696
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,800
spots at the garage because if I take

1697
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,360
two of them away, it is what it is at

1698
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,840
the time that I take two of them away.

1699
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:24,560
You still have 37 spots and your law

1700
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:28,000
says one for every 100 square ft and

1701
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,520
we're about 2700 square ft of usable

1702
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,480
space. if that rule applies to your book

1703
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:36,800
in your code. If you go into Carol

1704
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,040
County and look at the way they look at

1705
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,679
parking andor you go to Westminster,

1706
01:11:41,679 --> 01:11:43,520
Carol County is more stringent than

1707
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,199
Westminster.

1708
01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:47,760
is less stringent and you

1709
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,920
and Westminster if you do the math is

1710
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,320
about one and the same.

1711
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,400
>> You just go about it you go about it in

1712
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:58,470
a different way.

1713
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:00,719
Wouldn't you want to put a note on here

1714
01:12:00,719 --> 01:12:03,040
or have John put a note on here that you

1715
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,840
do have an agreement in place with the

1716
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:07,679
fire hall for the additional?

1717
01:12:07,679 --> 01:12:09,840
>> You know, I can do that. That's a good

1718
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:11,600
idea. And I Yeah, if you guys want that

1719
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,440
letter, have I ever sub that letter to

1720
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:15,120
you guys?

1721
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,920
>> I will forward it. I'll forward it and

1722
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,320
you all forward in your J. All right.

1723
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:21,760
>> That's a good idea. just having the

1724
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,600
general notes. Just put that on there.

1725
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:27,910
>> Yeah.

1726
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,960
Cuz when I was in the talk to me,

1727
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,360
you know, I I knew we were at about

1728
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,920
4,000 square ft. And that's the number

1729
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:37,679
we were talking

1730
01:12:37,679 --> 01:12:39,679
>> and then the more I looked at maybe

1731
01:12:39,679 --> 01:12:42,080
trying to go down the side, I might have

1732
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,480
not said 5,000 at the time, but the rule

1733
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:46,480
is 5,000 square ft. And if you don't

1734
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:48,960
cover 5,000 square, I mean, Jee and I

1735
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:50,960
are looking at everything we do on the

1736
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:52,480
outside as far as right down to a

1737
01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:54,960
sidewalk. It's it's it's literally we're

1738
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,239
looking at we know that we when we do

1739
01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:00,640
our areas for outside, they'll all be

1740
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,280
ground decks because barn set decks are

1741
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:06,480
allowed and not count. So everything

1742
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:09,679
where we put tables and all that where

1743
01:13:09,679 --> 01:13:12,239
the pavers would look nice and fit in

1744
01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:14,000
with the building, we won't do that.

1745
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,719
We'll build at grade decks because they

1746
01:13:16,719 --> 01:13:19,600
don't count toward the the non-burnous

1747
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,480
area.

1748
01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:26,880
It's tough, I tell you. 500 ft is tough.

1749
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:28,239
>> Truly is.

1750
01:13:28,239 --> 01:13:32,159
>> And knowing that there knowing my you

1751
01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:34,750
better not be 5,0001.

1752
01:13:34,750 --> 01:13:36,239
[laughter]

1753
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:39,336
>> Yeah, I know.

1754
01:13:39,336 --> 01:13:40,719
[laughter]

1755
01:13:40,719 --> 01:13:43,760
>> I know. Well, John, uh, in the interest

1756
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:48,000
of what John comes up with, uh,

1757
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,480
we digitized it out in my office, so

1758
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:54,719
we're we're good. We're good. I'll put

1759
01:13:54,719 --> 01:14:00,229
your mic back.

1760
01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:04,950
» Maybe I'll just

1761
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:05,840
say, "Turn that."

1762
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,480
>> So, I will send everyone that. I mean,

1763
01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:11,120
I'll send it to Dave.

1764
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,920
or whoever I started the Jane, you guys

1765
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:15,920
have a good internal system. I'll get it

1766
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:20,239
to somebody and then um you'll have

1767
01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:20,800
that.

1768
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,440
>> Make sure it gets the my name and then

1769
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:25,040
I'll make sure everybody gets it.

1770
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:29,600
>> You are I got you. Um and I will just in

1771
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:33,920
that same email I'll go back put this

1772
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,640
one picture here with us because that's

1773
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,800
the one that we're thinking about

1774
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:42,000
working with. Okay. Should I do do we

1775
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,719
need to

1776
01:14:44,719 --> 01:14:46,800
like make a motion or something on the

1777
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,440
one foot variance before you put it on a

1778
01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:53,040
>> I I you got nothing to to rule on until

1779
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,600
you get the the actual plan from John.

1780
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,760
Now he's going to do these on like myar

1781
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:58,960
size, right?

1782
01:14:58,960 --> 01:14:59,360
>> Yeah.

1783
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,866
So

1784
01:15:01,866 --> 01:15:03,040
[laughter]

1785
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,880
a napkin.

1786
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,560
>> I love them. They're very attractive.

1787
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:07,760
>> Something that big, you might find

1788
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,719
something wrong with it.

1789
01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:13,360
Point being, if if it's going to be on

1790
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:16,000
big, everybody needs to have a big.

1791
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,480
>> Yeah, you need copies.

1792
01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:19,760
>> Yeah, the big ones.

1793
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:20,800
>> That cost a lot of money.

1794
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:22,172
>> I know it will. That's why I'm

1795
01:15:22,172 --> 01:15:24,000
[laughter] mentioning it. Yeah.

1796
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:25,120
>> So, I can tell

1797
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,520
>> less parking spot than you.

1798
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:28,560
>> Really?

1799
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:32,560
>> Yeah. I And you tell me how many I need.

1800
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:36,320
>> Seven of us, you may

1801
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:37,120
work for you, don't

1802
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:38,560
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's big enough. Yeah.

1803
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:39,920
No, we don't need the kind of thing that

1804
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,159
you like like a full subdivision

1805
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:43,280
platform.

1806
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:44,960
>> Any scale?

1807
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,199
>> Oh, yeah. That that's that's big enough.

1808
01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:49,520
>> That probably hits a 40 scale. So, it'

1809
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:54,000
be easier to scale and easier to see.

1810
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,080
>> The only thing I missed if I could ask

1811
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:58,400
the dates the council has their

1812
01:15:58,400 --> 01:15:58,880
meetings.

1813
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:00,800
>> Oh, first first Wednesday.

1814
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:01,760
>> First Wednesday. Okay.

1815
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,040
>> Third Monday.

1816
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,679
>> Because we're not even a topic to the

1817
01:16:05,679 --> 01:16:08,719
council at this point. Correct. So we

1818
01:16:08,719 --> 01:16:10,159
>> not officially you're not on their

1819
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:12,607
agenda or anything.

1820
01:16:12,607 --> 01:16:13,199
[snorts]

1821
01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:15,199
>> I think you might be they might be aware

1822
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:19,280
of you but you're not on the

1823
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,600
>> that's on the agenda it

1824
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,000
>> and if you if you if you want to come

1825
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,560
back and talk to them you want to

1826
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,120
request to be put on the agenda at least

1827
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:30,560
a week in advance.

1828
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,760
>> Let's get John to get the real drawing.

1829
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:35,760
>> Everybody have it before he even goes to

1830
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,000
the gallery. All right. and and it'll be

1831
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:44,719
a nice clear draw. And then we just we go that route. Um because I don't

1832
01:16:44,719 --> 01:16:46,719
think it's going to take much to get a

1833
01:16:46,719 --> 01:16:48,239
warm fuzzy feeling that we're going to

1834
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:49,840
at least wait to get this parking lot

1835
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,560
configured the way it is

1836
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,120
to spend the money on the inside place

1837
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,080
as far as where whether we go upstairs.

1838
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,040
>> That that'll be the key part. Yeah. The

1839
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:02,640
only thing we might do is even if we

1840
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,120
don't have the flow, we talked about I

1841
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:06,800
talked to Tom Harris about going ahead

1842
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,280
and put the sprinkers in the house. The

1843
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:10,960
elevators I mean I don't like say

1844
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,400
elevator call the lift. The lift is easy

1845
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,960
to do like over the carnival period of

1846
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,840
time like the following year you know 7

1847
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,320
days is enough time to do that. The

1848
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,880
sprinklers it's a mess. So, we might

1849
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:26,719
would do the sprinklers and just not

1850
01:17:26,719 --> 01:17:30,560
even uh turn like have them functional

1851
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,159
cuz the one thing that I learned that

1852
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:34,480
day, Joe and I learned I thought well

1853
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:36,800
have sprinkers kind of nice just in case

1854
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,360
you do have a fire. They have no bearing

1855
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,080
on a commercial building of saving the

1856
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:45,600
house. All they do is save people. The

1857
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,560
house will burn and I wasn't aware of

1858
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,800
that.

1859
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,400
>> Yeah, they don't run that long. They

1860
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,640
just they just get started and get folks

1861
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:55,120
out,

1862
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:56,080
>> right?

1863
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:59,920
>> Yeah. So, um but at least ways everybody

1864
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:01,679
knows, you know, we're farther than

1865
01:18:01,679 --> 01:18:03,520
where we were last time, but we're on

1866
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:07,520
the same Nothing has deflected from the

1867
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,600
first time we came in here. Our plans

1868
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,719
are the same. Nothing's really changed.

1869
01:18:12,719 --> 01:18:15,840
Um and my original drawings, I said to

1870
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:17,840
all of you, almost look identical to

1871
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:18,960
page number.

1872
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:20,719
>> These are just a typical bumps in the

1873
01:18:20,719 --> 01:18:23,520
road. Oh yeah, good work.

1874
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:28,070
>> Yeah, I'm with the

1875
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:29,520
All right. Well, we'll let you guys get

1876
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,920
on to your other agenda.

1877
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,440
>> Thank you.

1878
01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:34,719
>> I give you that.

1879
01:18:34,719 --> 01:18:36,159
>> You moving quicker than me.

1880
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:43,904
>> I got Thank you very much.

1881
01:18:43,914 --> 01:18:45,920
[laughter]

1882
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:47,520
>> Sure. In case you want to look at it

1883
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:48,239
later.

1884
01:18:48,239 --> 01:18:50,159
>> It's a pretty house.

1885
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:52,480
The more we're in it,

1886
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:56,080
>> the more we're in that house,

1887
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:57,920
I can't I mean, when Beth and I walked

1888
01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:59,600
in the first time, we fell in love with

1889
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,480
the house, but the more we're in it, and

1890
01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:04,159
the cool thing is the money we're

1891
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:06,560
spending more so is in the cafe

1892
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:08,719
>> to make the cafe look old and not

1893
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:11,280
drywall like this room. And that's where

1894
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:13,760
the most money be

1895
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,040
sells itself.

1896
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,360
>> I mean, we got emergency exits. We got

1897
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:20,159
to put HABC and everything. But that

1898
01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:22,000
house,

1899
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,520
anytime anybody wants a tour, just

1900
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,159
>> I was in that house. [laughter]

1901
01:19:28,159 --> 01:19:31,199
>> Oh, wow. I was never in it until Sam.

1902
01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:31,840
Well,

1903
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:33,520
>> and he did. They did a beautiful job.

1904
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:36,400
>> We We had the uh Carol County Historical

1905
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,280
Society had a decorator showhouse.

1906
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:40,560
>> Oh, yeah. I remember they used to do

1907
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,669
that.

1908
01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:45,840
» The paintings on the right. the my

1909
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,000
paintings. Well, you know, the marbling

1910
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,239
on the on the fireplace is still there,

1911
01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:52,035
but my paintings are gone.

1912
01:19:52,035 --> 01:19:55,590
[clears throat]

1913
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,520
» Let me out across to Kevin. There's a

1914
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:58,960
piece of paper on your desk, and you

1915
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:02,080
know what it is. Your email kept

1916
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,320
bouncing back to me. So, it's just a

1917
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,199
little memo from me about some some

1918
01:20:07,199 --> 01:20:09,040
minor things on the plan. So, don't feel

1919
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,120
put out that you didn't get it. Uh, but

1920
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:14,320
I tried and I I don't know. I sent it to

1921
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,360
the address that I had on the same list.

1922
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:18,880
>> You have me at a new Windsor. I don't

1923
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:19,920
have a new Windsor address.

1924
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,719
>> Oh, well that explains it

1925
01:20:22,719 --> 01:20:23,440
>> eventually.

1926
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:23,840
>> Okay.

1927
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:25,760
>> Just But that's what it is. Uh

1928
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,440
>> cuz if you show it to Glenn, he'll say,

1929
01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:30,950
"I don't have that."

1930
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:38,470
» I'm special.

1931
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:39,760
» Any updates, Dave?

1932
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,080
>> Yeah, just a couple real quick. Um the

1933
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:43,679
town is working with our engineering

1934
01:20:43,679 --> 01:20:47,040
contract G contractor GMBB to evaluate

1935
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,640
and understand the MDE scoring of the

1936
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:54,000
town's grant ranking for the ENR upgrade

1937
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:55,760
of the wastewater treatment system. So

1938
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,719
you know we put in a a grant request uh

1939
01:20:58,719 --> 01:21:02,640
with G uh with GMBB for the ENR and it

1940
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:05,199
was rated and graded and we didn't come

1941
01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:08,960
back too well on that. Um so we want to

1942
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,239
ensure we are more in a more competitive

1943
01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:14,159
uh state for the next round. The next

1944
01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:16,560
round I think is January time frame that

1945
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:18,960
we'll be submitting another grant. Um

1946
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:20,480
where we're trying to figure out exactly

1947
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:24,080
why we scored uh low in some areas and a

1948
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,320
lot of it has to do with some densities

1949
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:32,000
and and things like that that uh we're working through now. Um also next

1950
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,080
door the 211 High Street property the

1951
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,400
redevelopment status. Um, wanted to

1952
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,159
bring you guys all up to date. I don't

1953
01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:40,000
know if you you noticed, uh, the

1954
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,880
interior demo has been completed. The

1955
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,520
place is gutted. Uh, down to the brick

1956
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,960
walls on the inside. Um, uh, there's

1957
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,000
still some drywall or some some plaster

1958
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,159
upstairs on the brick, but the first

1959
01:21:54,159 --> 01:21:58,239
floor is is totally totally gutted. Um,

1960
01:21:58,239 --> 01:22:01,679
they the contractor uh, Urban Urbana

1961
01:22:01,679 --> 01:22:04,159
Multi-ervices did a phenomenal job. They

1962
01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:07,280
provided the town staff with um weekly

1963
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:10,400
updates and gave them status reports and

1964
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:12,000
told them exactly what was going on

1965
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:13,600
every step of the way. They cleaned that

1966
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:18,400
thing. It it's it's really nice. Um

1967
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,800
uh there was I think two change orders

1968
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,199
coming in. Uh there was one support beam

1969
01:22:23,199 --> 01:22:25,040
on the second floor that's sagging, has

1970
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:28,719
a significant crack. So um we're waiting

1971
01:22:28,719 --> 01:22:30,320
for that to come in and we're going to

1972
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,280
get that fixed before we do the roof. Um

1973
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:34,960
the roof is supposed to start here in

1974
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,040
mid-occtober. So we're trying to get

1975
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:40,320
that that uh support beam fixed before

1976
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,320
they come and do the roof. So the roof

1977
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,679
is scheduled to be done. Um the exterior

1978
01:22:45,679 --> 01:22:47,920
brick masonry restoration has been

1979
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:53,440
awarded. Um uh at the beginning of the month here, so they were given the

1980
01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:56,880
notice to proceed on the 3. Um I saw a

1981
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:58,719
guy out there today looking around, so I

1982
01:22:58,719 --> 01:22:59,679
don't know if they're they're starting

1983
01:22:59,679 --> 01:23:01,920
to do some things or not. Um the

1984
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,480
exterior wood inspection and

1985
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:07,760
restoration, we awarded that uh on the

1986
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:09,679
21st and they got their notice to

1987
01:23:09,679 --> 01:23:12,960
proceed on the 22nd as well. All these

1988
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:14,800
things that we've done so far have been

1989
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,040
funded from that first grant we got that

1990
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,840
was $250,000

1991
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:23,199
and we have about $129,000

1992
01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:25,440
remaining give or take uh depending what

1993
01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:28,960
these these couple um little um

1994
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:30,639
additional things we have to do get

1995
01:23:30,639 --> 01:23:32,800
done. Uh we're still working on another

1996
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,920
grant to help us um finish all this

1997
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,880
stuff off, but so far things are are

1998
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:42,719
going very well and uh we're we're quite

1999
01:23:42,719 --> 01:23:44,800
happy with the the progress being made.

2000
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,480
>> It's like it's not really any money from

2001
01:23:46,480 --> 01:23:48,080
the town itself from that grant.

2002
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,080
>> It's all been so far from the grant. Um

2003
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:54,719
if we get we we put in um a grant two

2004
01:23:54,719 --> 01:23:57,600
months ago, a month ago I guess we

2005
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:01,760
submitted it um to cover the rest of

2006
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,920
reneoing, you know, build building out

2007
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,400
the apartments, two part two apartments,

2008
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,360
two two-bedroom apartments, kitchen,

2009
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:13,440
bathrooms. Um, and I think they pushed

2010
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:16,080
back when they're awarding it till the

2011
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,560
end of the year. So, we probably won't

2012
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,400
know

2013
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,639
till the end of the year whether we get

2014
01:24:22,639 --> 01:24:26,159
that money, but um,

2015
01:24:26,159 --> 01:24:29,120
>> so far so good. Hope they find any uh

2016
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,199
artifacts or anything in demolition like

2017
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:32,320
in the walls or anything?

2018
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:34,639
>> I haven't heard they they did not

2019
01:24:34,639 --> 01:24:38,639
necessarily find anything that not that I was aware of. I was hoping, you

2020
01:24:38,639 --> 01:24:40,239
know, they maybe find some old beer cans

2021
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:41,760
or something in there for my collection,

2022
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:43,679
but it didn't happen. [laughter]

2023
01:24:43,679 --> 01:24:49,030
>> Nothing came my way.

2024
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:49,679
» That's it.

2025
01:24:49,679 --> 01:24:52,639
>> Thanks, Dave. Uh, two quick items. One

2026
01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:54,239
is

2027
01:24:54,239 --> 01:24:57,830
shirts.

2028
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,440
Did everybody pick up their shirt?

2029
01:24:59,440 --> 01:24:59,920
>> Mhm.

2030
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:00,480
>> Thank you.

2031
01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:03,360
>> Feel free to wear it to our meetings or

2032
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,239
any of events that we have around town.

2033
01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:08,560
um like new ones or the music on the

2034
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:10,239
main if you're there and you can wear

2035
01:25:10,239 --> 01:25:14,320
your shirt. Um unless it's cold then you

2036
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,320
may want but looks like good weather for

2037
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:20,000
this weekend. And um also

2038
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,800
a minor note but the uh that close

2039
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,600
session we had in early August um and it

2040
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:28,800
was actually on the topic we anyway that

2041
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:34,320
closed session the um they omitted to uh pay us for that. So that will come

2042
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:37,199
out in the next check. So you'll get

2043
01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:40,480
paid for this meeting and that session.

2044
01:25:40,480 --> 01:25:42,320
Alrighty.

2045
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:45,040
I'm gonna slide over next to Rebecca and

2046
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:49,014
Michelle so I can get the screen.

2047
01:25:49,014 --> 01:26:02,390
[cough]

2048
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:04,320
While Mark's setting up, do we need to

2049
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:06,560
do something

2050
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:09,520
about looking for that if we have

2051
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,719
provisions in our code for the

2052
01:26:12,719 --> 01:26:14,560
offsite parking?

2053
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,000
>> We do, which means I will.

2054
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:16,480
>> You will.

2055
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:18,560
>> You I mean, you're a good reader of the

2056
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,880
code. But actually, I've got it written

2057
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:22,239
down here with stars.

2058
01:26:22,239 --> 01:26:24,800
>> Okay. Cuz I tried real quick to look up

2059
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:26,880
that section and I I

2060
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:28,719
>> Yeah, I intended to try and get to that,

2061
01:26:28,719 --> 01:26:30,560
but today kind of got away from me.

2062
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,520
>> Okay. All right. Before

2063
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,440
we leave that, I want to see

2064
01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:38,239
specifically what sections of the code

2065
01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:42,480
are commission that we don't get copy

2066
01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:46,000
for everybody go through. I don't

2067
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:47,040
>> I don't think I understand your

2068
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:47,920
question.

2069
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:50,800
>> There's a specific section that we a

2070
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:54,880
portion of the code that we

2071
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:56,560
>> Yeah, it's like

2072
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:58,639
>> we don't go through the whole thing. No,

2073
01:26:58,639 --> 01:27:00,800
but in so far as if you look up planning

2074
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:02,080
commission, it's like three sections. It

2075
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:04,080
says how many of you there are and and

2076
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:05,840
that that's all that is specific.

2077
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,400
>> But there are sections that we have

2078
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:10,400
let's say like 210 or something like

2079
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:10,880
that.

2080
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:13,120
>> A lot of subdivision regulations and

2081
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:14,400
development regulations

2082
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:15,600
>> or maybe you could tell

2083
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:19,920
>> go go through that. But it if you have

2084
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:21,360
trouble sleeping, you might want to take

2085
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:25,360
that home and read it. a big one that

2086
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,280
can't. What do I have?

2087
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:29,280
>> I mean, there's a lot of things.

2088
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:30,080
>> Why would I have

2089
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,159
>> potentially run through the planning

2090
01:27:32,159 --> 01:27:33,920
commission?

2091
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:34,400
>> Um,

2092
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:34,960
>> how's that?

2093
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:42,310
>> Do I do more than hit the button?

2094
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,480
» Those are spares. Oh, those are yours.

2095
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:47,120
Oh, those

2096
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:48,639
that was just a spare.

2097
01:27:48,639 --> 01:27:49,600
>> Did you have one?

2098
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:51,600
>> Yeah.

2099
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,920
Oh,

2100
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,560
here's your right.

2101
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:57,760
>> Can you write on there? Was in

2102
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,440
attendance or something so she knows he

2103
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:10,950
was here.

2104
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,520
» Oh, that's what I'm Looks like it was

2105
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,600
fun.

2106
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:19,910
Yeah.

2107
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:26,070
Just quick.

2108
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,480
» Sailing. It's a dangerous sport.

2109
01:28:28,480 --> 01:28:29,520
>> Well, that's cuz Yeah, that's what

2110
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:30,719
happens when you have all that money

2111
01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:33,040
that you can have sailboats.

2112
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:34,800
>> It's an old sailboat.

2113
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:36,480
>> This is worth more than

2114
01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:38,661
>> So, there you go. It works out.

2115
01:28:38,661 --> 01:28:41,110
[laughter]

2116
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:43,840
» Well, not happy.

2117
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:45,360
I'm sure it could have been worse.

2118
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:46,719
>> Always.

2119
01:28:46,719 --> 01:28:48,639
>> Well, I mean, there wasn't any pain or

2120
01:28:48,639 --> 01:28:50,800
anything. It just happened.

2121
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,719
>> You walked it

2122
01:28:52,719 --> 01:28:54,960
>> kind of. Yeah. Lost a hand and was

2123
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,760
trying to

2124
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,440
>> No, I was on a sailboat once. Made me

2125
01:28:59,440 --> 01:29:01,120
nervous. That was enough.

2126
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,440
>> It's my happy place. Of course, we

2127
01:29:03,440 --> 01:29:05,040
didn't go anywhere. Not this weekend. It

2128
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:05,840
was pretty nasty.

2129
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:06,960
>> Well, now if I didn't have to go

2130
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:08,719
anywhere, that might not be so bad, you

2131
01:29:08,719 --> 01:29:10,960
know. actually was that was we were

2132
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:12,560
leaning on.

2133
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:14,159
>> Yeah. Know we weren't we was it was

2134
01:29:14,159 --> 01:29:16,239
blowing the wind was moving the boat cuz

2135
01:29:16,239 --> 01:29:17,600
it was so windy this weekend.

2136
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:19,440
>> Oh yeah.

2137
01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:22,560
>> Yeah. And the tide was up. It was a lot

2138
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:26,550
of fun.

2139
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:28,080
» I know. I had to bring the little piece

2140
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,560
to

2141
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,199
the Is that something will have to

2142
01:29:33,199 --> 01:29:36,080
>> No. If it's part of a site plan,

2143
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:36,400
>> okay,

2144
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,560
>> you you guys can do it. If they were

2145
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,639
just coming in and saying, "I want to

2146
01:29:40,639 --> 01:29:43,280
put part of the building up unrelated to

2147
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:45,920
a site plan or any commission action,"

2148
01:29:45,920 --> 01:30:14,070
then they'd go to the DCA.

2149
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:17,040
18 pages.

2150
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:20,080
That's not too bad. Only 18 pages. And

2151
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:22,080
are we doing maps, too, or are we

2152
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:25,120
thinking they're okay?

2153
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:28,239
See, I'm not I need help on the maps. I

2154
01:30:28,239 --> 01:30:30,000
got to know what's not.

2155
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:32,719
>> Yeah, exactly. That's going to be a seal

2156
01:30:32,719 --> 01:30:37,189
stamp approved.

2157
01:30:37,199 --> 01:30:39,760
» Signal.

2158
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:44,390
Read the directions again.

2159
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,480
» Handle one foot. Rub your belly. Pet

2160
01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:48,352
your head.

2161
01:30:48,352 --> 01:30:53,270
[laughter]

2162
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:55,280
Uhoh. There was more to it. You didn't

2163
01:30:55,280 --> 01:31:12,310
tell me that.

2164
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:15,853
Please

2165
01:31:15,863 --> 01:31:16,719
[snorts]

2166
01:31:16,719 --> 01:31:17,920
still.

2167
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:29,030
>> Oh, you're still

2168
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:32,390
cable.

2169
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:47,270
There you go.

2170
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:49,440
» It wasn't the right remote.

2171
01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:53,910
>> It's the right remote, but

2172
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:55,520
This is always This is the same one

2173
01:31:55,520 --> 01:32:07,669
that's always here.

2174
01:32:07,679 --> 01:32:09,679
» Is there anything though?

2175
01:32:09,679 --> 01:32:18,550
>> Just an extension cord.

2176
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:22,229
Yeah, I see.

2177
01:32:22,239 --> 01:32:31,830
» Yeah, usually.

2178
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:33,760
» Can I get something for you?

2179
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:35,679
>> Oh, well,

2180
01:32:35,679 --> 01:32:36,800
she's lucky.

2181
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:40,320
>> Yeah, I have a cord in there. I'm going

2182
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:45,750
to run back here.

2183
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:55,750
This is very This go directly into

2184
01:32:55,760 --> 01:33:09,169
two.

2185
01:33:09,179 --> 01:33:13,990
[snorts]

2186
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,320
I guess it

2187
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:17,360
Is that it?

2188
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,199
>> I think that's I don't know where

2189
01:33:19,199 --> 01:33:23,750
>> it reaches.

2190
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,040
You may have found it. Mark,

2191
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:26,800
>> it can only blow up something. Don't

2192
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:29,520
worry about it. It's his computer.

2193
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:31,920
>> Which way do you think it'll go?

2194
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:33,600
>> To the plug inside. Don't worry.

2195
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:34,719
>> Fine. Make sure it wasn't going to blow

2196
01:33:34,719 --> 01:33:36,239
up in this direction.

2197
01:33:36,239 --> 01:33:38,480
>> Throw the plug inside. You'll be okay.

2198
01:33:38,480 --> 01:33:42,550
>> Why are we have to do that?

2199
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,800
How many years is it going to be before

2200
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:47,040
we figure this out?

2201
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,520
>> Why why different than normal?

2202
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:51,600
>> So I don't even I don't pretend to

2203
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:53,040
participate in the discussion.

2204
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:57,360
>> There wasn't any uh Ethernet cord there.

2205
01:33:57,360 --> 01:33:59,840
>> He usually connects into there's always

2206
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:02,719
one just kind of hanging there.

2207
01:34:02,719 --> 01:34:04,719
>> Yeah, he he stuck something in around

2208
01:34:04,719 --> 01:34:06,159
the side, but I think it's like a like

2209
01:34:06,159 --> 01:34:07,440
one of those

2210
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:10,000
>> flashy kind of things.

2211
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:10,719
Yeah.

2212
01:34:10,719 --> 01:34:12,400
>> Yeah. Didn't we just don't we we don't

2213
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:14,880
connect to Bluetooth or

2214
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:17,120
>> Yeah.

2215
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:18,560
>> It's not like a Bluetooth that's not

2216
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:20,239
Bluetooth for us to connect to. It has

2217
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:24,390
to be plugged in.

2218
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,400
» Uh

2219
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:28,960
years ago when Doris and Sam

2220
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,199
>> I can't remember when they had

2221
01:34:31,199 --> 01:34:32,880
>> I don't know. They had they had an urban

2222
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:36,390
house.

2223
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,040
It was just I was just down in the lower

2224
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:39,520
levels.

2225
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:42,480
>> Yeah,

2226
01:34:42,480 --> 01:34:44,480
>> it was it was wonderful. I remember

2227
01:34:44,480 --> 01:34:46,239
after they opened it up, they they

2228
01:34:46,239 --> 01:34:47,920
invited the staff people.

2229
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:50,000
>> Did you have an Ethernet port?

2230
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:51,280
>> No, [clears throat] we don't use an

2231
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:52,000
Ethernet.

2232
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:53,440
>> Okay. Then you're just looking for

2233
01:34:53,440 --> 01:34:54,560
Bluetooth.

2234
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,040
>> Yeah, I'm going to look.

2235
01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:01,040
>> Let's see if that go

2236
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:03,679
My goodness, this thing is

2237
01:35:03,679 --> 01:35:05,199
>> Yeah.

2238
01:35:05,199 --> 01:35:07,679
They they don't I have never been able

2239
01:35:07,679 --> 01:35:10,400
to adjust it properly.

2240
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:12,560
>> Before did you plug in like an Ethernet

2241
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:13,040
cable?

2242
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:17,280
>> You're supposed to find LG web OS TV.

2243
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:19,040
>> Yeah, probably Bluetooth

2244
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:20,560
>> on your Bluetooth.

2245
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:25,750
>> Okay, that's what it says.

2246
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:29,120
I saw a cord hanging there.

2247
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:31,920
>> Yeah. What's a

2248
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:35,040
kind of click on give them permission?

2249
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:37,600
It should be.

2250
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:43,189
>> Yeah. LG web.

2251
01:35:43,199 --> 01:35:45,520
» Okay. It says actually says this is

2252
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:53,030
connected. Okay.

2253
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:57,750
» Okay. The home button

2254
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:00,159
says home.

2255
01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:02,080
Oh, there we go. Someone says plug in.

2256
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:03,440
See if something happened with that.

2257
01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:05,280
There we go.

2258
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:09,199
>> There the PC. It's chat. I guess this is

2259
01:36:09,199 --> 01:36:12,390
okay.

2260
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:17,280
» That's HDMI, but it's not HDMI.

2261
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:21,360
>> Let's see. Let's see what happens.

2262
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:22,639
>> Always would come up and ask for

2263
01:36:22,639 --> 01:36:24,880
permission

2264
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:47,270
on the TV.

2265
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:48,800
G web

2266
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:52,310
>> that's on here

2267
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:55,840
» not connected. Let's give this a shot.

2268
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:59,040
Yeah, you won't expect that you left.

2269
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:06,790
See if it comes up or something.

2270
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:10,080
» I got three LG webs. I clicked on each

2271
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:11,840
of them.

2272
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:17,669
>> Bluetooth playback.

2273
01:37:17,679 --> 01:37:19,199
» Did you select it?

2274
01:37:19,199 --> 01:37:19,840
>> Yeah.

2275
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:20,960
>> And did it let you connect?

2276
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:37,830
>> It says not connected.

2277
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:42,950
Oh, here we go. PC

2278
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:46,629
says HDMI

2279
01:37:46,639 --> 01:37:49,199
come up like ask for permission to

2280
01:37:49,199 --> 01:37:52,639
connect. Yeah,

2281
01:37:52,639 --> 01:37:56,480
I see. It's not the LG Thin Q. Is that

2282
01:37:56,480 --> 01:37:59,920
an LG Thin Q?

2283
01:37:59,920 --> 01:38:01,679
>> Your computer.

2284
01:38:01,679 --> 01:38:02,880
>> Let's see here.

2285
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:05,360
>> What kind?

2286
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:07,520
>> Is it a MacBook? It's Lenovo.

2287
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,119
>> Lenovo.

2288
01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:18,390
>> So, that's not a thin Q, is it? That's

2289
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:21,040
» zero

2290
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:24,320
thing. We might be open by the time we

2291
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:30,123
might go down to celebrate finish.

2292
01:38:30,133 --> 01:38:30,320
[laughter]

2293
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:31,840
>> Yeah, you're right. We did this problem

2294
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:34,080
last time. I don't know. I wasn't part

2295
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:37,669
of the solution.

2296
01:38:37,679 --> 01:38:59,430
See if we can do something over here.

2297
01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:01,280
Well,

2298
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:03,040
we just have to do it the oldfashioned

2299
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:07,030
way.

2300
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:15,590
This one devices.

2301
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:18,239
» I'm giving up. I can have buttons, but

2302
01:39:18,239 --> 01:39:20,080
I'm not finding anything that says

2303
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:24,480
Bluetooth TV or [cough]

2304
01:39:24,480 --> 01:39:26,463
them Ravens.

2305
01:39:26,463 --> 01:39:28,870
[laughter]

2306
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:31,280
I recorded the game until I could watch

2307
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:34,000
it. And my wife knew the whole time he

2308
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:35,600
wanted just was not. And she says,

2309
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:36,960
"Why?" I'm like, why aren't you paying

2310
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:38,159
attention? I don't understand why you're

2311
01:39:38,159 --> 01:39:38,800
not excited. I'm

2312
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:40,960
>> not seeing anything coming up. Are you

2313
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:41,840
connected?

2314
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:43,760
>> I'm glad they won. Yes. They didn't

2315
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:45,440
neess deserve to win, but I'm glad they

2316
01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:45,760
won.

2317
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:47,119
>> Yeah.

2318
01:39:47,119 --> 01:39:50,870
>> So, [clears throat]

2319
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:54,320
10 hour fighter [laughter]

2320
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:56,239
only. Imagine how ugly that was for the

2321
01:39:56,239 --> 01:39:59,859
Dallas Cowboys.

2322
01:39:59,869 --> 01:40:02,870
[sighs and gasps]

2323
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:06,000
There you go.

2324
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,320
What is that?

2325
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:22,129
>> I just want the connection guide.

2326
01:40:22,139 --> 01:40:32,310
[sighs]

2327
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:38,550
I don't see anything else on here.

2328
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:41,280
» You always just come up there where

2329
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:41,760
>> Yeah.

2330
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:56,310
>> Longer where it says

2331
01:40:56,320 --> 01:41:12,790
Okay.

2332
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:16,470
Well,

2333
01:41:16,480 --> 01:41:18,719
at least we'll all have the same paper

2334
01:41:18,719 --> 01:41:56,709
we can just go through. Wonderful.

2335
01:41:56,719 --> 01:41:59,199
Does settings have anything under

2336
01:41:59,199 --> 01:42:03,990
display?

2337
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:05,520
» The TV doesn't

2338
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:06,800
>> Well, I was going to say go to the

2339
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:08,719
settings button.

2340
01:42:08,719 --> 01:42:10,560
>> I just Googled it. Said connect to a

2341
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:13,600
wireless display.

2342
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:17,199
Go to your s settings system display.

2343
01:42:17,199 --> 01:42:20,950
connect to a wireless.

2344
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:26,950
So, if there's a settings button,

2345
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:31,990
I think it's up in the top. Is it the

2346
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:36,550
TV guy?

2347
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:38,719
» Isn't there a settings button on the

2348
01:42:38,719 --> 01:42:41,280
remote?

2349
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:55,910
>> I'm not seeing anything for settings.

2350
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:57,600
Yeah, it always just come up. It always

2351
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:09,030
came up on that page.

2352
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:11,040
Could always shut everything down and

2353
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:32,081
reboot.

2354
01:43:32,091 --> 01:43:32,746
» [cough]

2355
01:43:32,746 --> 01:43:33,040
[clears throat]

2356
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:37,679
>> I'm just going to go we left off start

2357
01:43:37,679 --> 01:43:58,950
with page 78.

2358
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:01,920
Community Involvement

2359
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:12,709
Chapter 12.

2360
01:44:12,719 --> 01:44:21,030
Oh boy.

2361
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:28,229
All righty.

2362
01:44:28,239 --> 01:44:32,639
Anybody have anything on the first page?

2363
01:44:32,639 --> 01:44:34,000
>> Yes.

2364
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:34,880
>> Great. [snorts]

2365
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:37,199
>> Okay. Number two. Okay.

2366
01:44:37,199 --> 01:44:39,119
>> Middle of the paragraph where it says

2367
01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:42,832
the Carol County Board of Commissioners

2368
01:44:42,832 --> 01:44:43,360
[cough]

2369
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:44,400
>> appoints.

2370
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:46,159
>> Yes. Carol County Board of Commissioner

2371
01:44:46,159 --> 01:44:48,159
should be crossed out.

2372
01:44:48,159 --> 01:44:48,880
>> Okay.

2373
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:50,480
>> And it should say the New Windsor Mayor

2374
01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:52,639
and Town Council appoints qualified

2375
01:44:52,639 --> 01:44:57,360
citizens to the numerous boards. Blah blah blah.

2376
01:44:57,360 --> 01:44:59,360
>> The new Windsor town council.

2377
01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:01,119
>> The new Windsor mayor. Mayor. Oh,

2378
01:45:01,119 --> 01:45:02,560
>> mayor and town council.

2379
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:07,669
>> Town council.

2380
01:45:07,679 --> 01:45:10,800
[clears throat]

2381
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:12,719
appoints qualified citizens. Okay,

2382
01:45:12,719 --> 01:45:14,480
>> he keeps going. Planning and zoning

2383
01:45:14,480 --> 01:45:18,400
commission, board of zoning appeals

2384
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:21,440
and ethics commission

2385
01:45:21,440 --> 01:45:24,080
and the rest can be deleted.

2386
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:28,950
We [snorts] don't have those.

2387
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:32,000
» And ethics commission. Mhm.

2388
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:34,560
>> Okay. Period.

2389
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:39,350
and then delete all the [cough]

2390
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:42,560
» Wow. What is it? What are these other

2391
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:43,760
ones?

2392
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:45,040
>> I guess they were things the Carol

2393
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:46,400
County Board of Commissioners used to

2394
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:48,400
do, but

2395
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:50,239
>> yeah, I can't see it, so I don't know.

2396
01:45:50,239 --> 01:45:51,520
>> They may still do it, but it doesn't

2397
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:51,679
matter.

2398
01:45:51,679 --> 01:45:54,400
>> Oh, that's the end of the paragraph.

2399
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:57,910
>> Okay,

2400
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:01,040
» that's all I had on page 78.

2401
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:02,743
>> Okay.

2402
01:46:02,743 --> 01:46:03,760
[clears throat] M.

2403
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:06,673
>> Anybody else have anything on 78?

2404
01:46:06,673 --> 01:46:07,760
[snorts]

2405
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:10,320
>> Okay. 79.

2406
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:13,040
>> All right. Yes. 79. [cough]

2407
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:17,440
>> I believe C A BC can go away. Carol

2408
01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:20,080
County Planning and Zoning Commission.

2409
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:22,719
We were removing all Carol County stuff

2410
01:46:22,719 --> 01:46:30,243
out of here.

2411
01:46:30,253 --> 01:46:31,600
» [cough and clears throat]

2412
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:33,440
>> Do we

2413
01:46:33,440 --> 01:46:36,960
change that information to

2414
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:39,280
>> apply to New Windsor or

2415
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:41,040
>> No, just exit out

2416
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:44,009
>> because you have town planning on a

2417
01:46:44,009 --> 01:46:44,239
[snorts]

2418
01:46:44,239 --> 01:46:46,159
>> Okay, that's right.

2419
01:46:46,159 --> 01:46:48,719
>> Are we still on legislate the district

2420
01:46:48,719 --> 01:46:51,868
will be

2421
01:46:51,868 --> 01:46:54,550
[snorts]

2422
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:56,400
» the date? Anything changed there?

2423
01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:58,480
>> I don't know. I don't think so, but

2424
01:46:58,480 --> 01:47:00,000
that's something that we should just

2425
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,560
Yeah, we should confirm. But where do

2426
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:03,119
you see that?

2427
01:47:03,119 --> 01:47:07,040
>> Um, yes, I think we Yes, we are.

2428
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:07,920
>> Gotcha.

2429
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:10,480
>> Yeah. The legislative district 4B. Yeah.

2430
01:47:10,480 --> 01:47:17,750
>> At least so far. [cough]

2431
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:19,760
» All right.

2432
01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:20,880
>> Bottom of [snorts] that page, Mark,

2433
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:22,960
where it says town board of zoning

2434
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:24,719
appeals under that paragraph.

2435
01:47:24,719 --> 01:47:27,280
>> Okay. the board of zoning appeals. You

2436
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:29,920
need to put BZA in prince. That's the

2437
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:34,550
first time I found it in the document.

2438
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:47,510
» Oh yeah. [snorts] Okay.

2439
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:49,280
Did you merge it to this room or

2440
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:49,679
something? [snorts]

2441
01:47:49,679 --> 01:47:52,719
>> I don't know what it is.

2442
01:47:52,719 --> 01:47:56,080
That's just a right here.

2443
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:58,560
>> That page 80.

2444
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:00,560
>> Get rid of the first one. [cough] First

2445
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:02,400
one and the second one.

2446
01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:03,919
>> Oh, okay. I'll get rid of the BZA

2447
01:48:03,919 --> 01:48:05,600
[snorts] on the second page.

2448
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:06,239
>> Yeah.

2449
01:48:06,239 --> 01:48:16,870
>> Is that right? We do have it.

2450
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:21,040
» Okay. What did you have on 80, Dave? Um,

2451
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:25,040
I have a note on the bottom of the media

2452
01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:26,560
paragraph

2453
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:29,600
where we need to add the Carol Media

2454
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:32,960
Center where they film, [snorts] record,

2455
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:46,870
and broadcast town meetings.

2456
01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:48,800
So, was that at the end of that

2457
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:49,520
paragraph?

2458
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:50,880
>> Well, I think we should probably put it

2459
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:51,199
up

2460
01:48:51,199 --> 01:48:52,560
>> included in with

2461
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:54,239
>> it says the town publishes a quarterly

2462
01:48:54,239 --> 01:48:58,320
newsletter. Uh, Dire says and then where

2463
01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:00,560
it says additionally.

2464
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:02,639
>> No, I don't want where. Okay, there you

2465
01:49:02,639 --> 01:49:04,239
go. Yes, town publishes accordingly

2466
01:49:04,239 --> 01:49:05,040
newsletter. Okay.

2467
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:07,760
>> So, I don't know the the all those other

2468
01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:09,199
things. Some of them happen, some of

2469
01:49:09,199 --> 01:49:10,880
them don't. But we know probably the

2470
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:12,400
Carol Media Center should be first

2471
01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:13,520
because they're the ones that are the

2472
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:15,280
most active with

2473
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:18,639
>> I don't know where but YouTube. We watch

2474
01:49:18,639 --> 01:49:21,119
town meetings on YouTube.

2475
01:49:21,119 --> 01:49:23,600
>> Sure. The Carol Media Center is the one

2476
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:25,520
that pops all that stuff out there.

2477
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:29,830
>> Yeah. [snorts]

2478
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:32,345
» Okay. So after the news article

2479
01:49:32,345 --> 01:49:33,360
[clears throat]

2480
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:34,960
>> and then there's that first pair that

2481
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:36,400
additionally there are variety of print

2482
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:38,895
online numerous television

2483
01:49:38,895 --> 01:49:39,679
[snorts]

2484
01:49:39,679 --> 01:49:40,400
that

2485
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:41,840
>> that may include Carol County Connie and

2486
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:43,280
then so I guess right before that where

2487
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:45,280
it says WTTR

2488
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:46,080
>> okay

2489
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:50,070
>> I'd probably stick it there

2490
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:53,360
» WTTR has no local news at all anymore

2491
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:55,520
>> well I mean I I don't know any the rest

2492
01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:57,280
of that stuff if it can go if what's

2493
01:49:57,280 --> 01:49:59,280
true and what's not true there. So I

2494
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:02,466
don't know [clears throat]

2495
01:50:02,476 --> 01:50:02,800
[snorts]

2496
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:04,400
>> I don't have the cable TV so I don't

2497
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:06,480
know if channel 19 21 all those things

2498
01:50:06,480 --> 01:50:08,639
are right or wrong. So if any of you

2499
01:50:08,639 --> 01:50:09,440
guys know

2500
01:50:09,440 --> 01:50:13,119
>> they're not like live stream

2501
01:50:13,119 --> 01:50:16,560
later in the week it might be

2502
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:19,280
>> they do they have some they do

2503
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:22,320
>> they have some events still have but

2504
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:25,760
>> on the I yeah WTR but see

2505
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:28,560
>> they don't have any news at all not even

2506
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:31,600
national news anymore

2507
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:32,560
>> I'm not saying that that

2508
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:34,000
>> community county

2509
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:35,840
>> they have community events on there

2510
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:38,560
>> community media Community Media Center,

2511
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:40,466
CMC.

2512
01:50:40,466 --> 01:50:42,080
[clears throat]

2513
01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:45,600
>> The car, say it again. This what it's

2514
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:46,000
the

2515
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:48,719
>> Is it the Carol County Community Media

2516
01:50:48,719 --> 01:50:49,760
Center or is it just

2517
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:51,440
>> I would think so. I've only dealt with

2518
01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:54,239
it as the community media center, but um

2519
01:50:54,239 --> 01:50:56,320
>> I'm assuming I'm in the community,

2520
01:50:56,320 --> 01:51:05,270
>> right?

2521
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:09,040
They film, record, and broadcast town

2522
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:17,910
meetings.

2523
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:18,560
» Well,

2524
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:19,679
>> oh, they just

2525
01:51:19,679 --> 01:51:22,080
>> town council meetings and and planning

2526
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:24,560
commission. We say meetings, it's not

2527
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:26,719
really all meetings. It's just the the

2528
01:51:26,719 --> 01:51:28,480
public meetings or what do you want to

2529
01:51:28,480 --> 01:51:30,239
>> I guess you could say public meeting.

2530
01:51:30,239 --> 01:51:31,119
Okay.

2531
01:51:31,119 --> 01:51:33,840
>> It's just refers as community media

2532
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:34,400
center.

2533
01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:34,880
>> Yeah,

2534
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:36,639
>> that's just called the community media

2535
01:51:36,639 --> 01:51:41,669
center.

2536
01:51:41,679 --> 01:52:01,022
» That's their official 501c title.

2537
01:52:01,032 --> 01:52:18,560
» [clears throat]

2538
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:21,119
>> the community media center film, record

2539
01:52:21,119 --> 01:52:25,270
and broadcast

2540
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:26,960
all Town Council and Planning

2541
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:27,599
Commission.

2542
01:52:27,599 --> 01:52:29,280
>> Public meetings within the town.

2543
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:32,480
>> Yeah. Okay. Okay. Public meetings within

2544
01:52:32,480 --> 01:52:34,320
the town. Okay, that's good.

2545
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:57,109
>> That's [snorts] very good.

2546
01:52:57,119 --> 01:52:58,880
Yeah, I have no idea about the cable

2547
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:00,000
stuff.

2548
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:01,679
>> Well, you can air.

2549
01:53:01,679 --> 01:53:03,280
>> I wouldn't be too specific about

2550
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:05,360
anything related to cable. It's changing

2551
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:07,040
that that whole industry is changing so

2552
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:08,719
dramatically

2553
01:53:08,719 --> 01:53:10,639
>> that you know, who knows what's going to

2554
01:53:10,639 --> 01:53:21,669
be available in two years. Yeah,

2555
01:53:21,679 --> 01:53:23,760
where it says citizen information

2556
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:25,440
sources and we have nothing underneath

2557
01:53:25,440 --> 01:53:36,390
it. Do we want to remove that?

2558
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:38,159
Oh,

2559
01:53:38,159 --> 01:53:40,080
>> I kind of was looking at that as the

2560
01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:40,880
heading

2561
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:41,840
>> the heading for

2562
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:46,000
>> for media Oh, I had dot dot. Okay.

2563
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:48,159
>> By the way, here it is in here. It

2564
01:53:48,159 --> 01:53:49,679
doesn't call it the Carol Media Center,

2565
01:53:49,679 --> 01:53:52,080
but it does say that the uh the new

2566
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:53,679
channel devoted to Carol County

2567
01:53:53,679 --> 01:53:56,239
government to broadcast public meetings,

2568
01:53:56,239 --> 01:53:58,239
events, and other programs. Isn't that

2569
01:53:58,239 --> 01:54:19,189
Carol Media?

2570
01:54:19,199 --> 01:54:21,280
Okay. And I'm sorry, Kevin. What did you

2571
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:23,360
have?

2572
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:24,320
>> Nothing.

2573
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:26,560
>> Well, he had good stuff. We we we fixed.

2574
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:28,159
>> We already discussed it. I was

2575
01:54:28,159 --> 01:54:29,119
overruled.

2576
01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:29,520
>> Okay.

2577
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:34,149
[laughter]

2578
01:54:34,159 --> 01:54:34,880
» Sure.

2579
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:36,800
>> Does nobody has anything else? Okay.

2580
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:39,599
>> Uh could add that the town has a

2581
01:54:39,599 --> 01:54:41,840
Facebook page.

2582
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:47,430
Yeah. In addition to the website,

2583
01:54:47,440 --> 01:54:50,800
» a nice paragraph under internet.

2584
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:52,719
>> Oh yeah. Okay.

2585
01:54:52,719 --> 01:54:54,719
>> I think the the first par the first

2586
01:54:54,719 --> 01:54:56,639
sentence of that we need to get rid of

2587
01:54:56,639 --> 01:54:58,080
growing.

2588
01:54:58,080 --> 01:54:59,840
>> The internet is a growing resource of

2589
01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:01,360
information. I think we're past that

2590
01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:03,360
stage. It's just a it's just a s

2591
01:55:03,360 --> 01:55:04,320
resource.

2592
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:06,880
>> Just strike the word growing. We had

2593
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:08,560
somebody knock on our door this evening

2594
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:11,760
at 5:30 for um fiber.

2595
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:13,040
>> That was Esther.

2596
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:15,119
Hoffman.

2597
01:55:15,119 --> 01:55:15,760
>> Yes, it was. [clears throat]

2598
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:16,800
>> Yes, it was. [laughter]

2599
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:19,920
>> I didn't know till she left. I was

2600
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:22,950
>> Yes.

2601
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:25,119
» coming here.

2602
01:55:25,119 --> 01:55:28,159
>> I have Antito

2603
01:55:28,159 --> 01:55:30,635
broadband. Aren't you out here?

2604
01:55:30,635 --> 01:55:31,040
[clears throat]

2605
01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:33,040
>> Very fast.

2606
01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:35,119
Very happy with that. So the contract

2607
01:55:35,119 --> 01:55:35,760
will be out here.

2608
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:38,560
>> Not initially, but I solved the problem

2609
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:41,910
I had.

2610
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:43,280
» All right.

2611
01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:45,119
>> So I did you have

2612
01:55:45,119 --> 01:55:46,320
>> struck the word.

2613
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:48,080
>> Okay.

2614
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:51,440
>> So you maintain the website you say

2615
01:55:51,440 --> 01:55:55,109
Facebook page.

2616
01:55:55,119 --> 01:55:56,800
» Where did you want to stick that?

2617
01:55:56,800 --> 01:56:00,110
>> I guess that last paragraph.

2618
01:56:00,110 --> 01:56:00,159
[snorts]

2619
01:56:00,159 --> 01:56:01,040
>> Okay.

2620
01:56:01,040 --> 01:56:03,360
Tommy maintains a website and Facebook

2621
01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:04,880
presence or Facebook page, whatever you

2622
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:05,520
want to say.

2623
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:07,970
>> Same information on the town's website.

2624
01:56:07,970 --> 01:56:11,189
[laughter]

2625
01:56:11,199 --> 01:56:14,159
» I'm I'm just scorekeeper. So I'm I'm

2626
01:56:14,159 --> 01:56:14,960
>> You got it.

2627
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:15,920
>> No.

2628
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:18,400
>> Okay. Under internet

2629
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:19,440
third paragraph.

2630
01:56:19,440 --> 01:56:22,320
>> Third paragraph. Okay. Maintains a

2631
01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:22,880
website.

2632
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:24,960
>> Maintains a website and Facebook

2633
01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:25,679
>> Facebook page

2634
01:56:25,679 --> 01:56:37,189
>> page.

2635
01:56:37,199 --> 01:56:37,920
All righty.

2636
01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:46,629
>> Anybody else have anything on page 81?

2637
01:56:46,639 --> 01:56:47,599
» How about 82?

2638
01:56:47,599 --> 01:56:49,760
>> 82.

2639
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:57,750
>> On 82.

2640
01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:00,880
» Okay. 83. We need to remove that uh

2641
01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:02,080
disable.

2642
01:57:02,080 --> 01:57:03,040
>> Yep. It's gone.

2643
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:05,199
>> It's gone. Okay. Anything else?

2644
01:57:05,199 --> 01:57:11,109
>> Anything else on 83?

2645
01:57:11,119 --> 01:57:12,080
» Just that top

2646
01:57:12,080 --> 01:57:14,480
>> 84.

2647
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:16,960
>> Rolling.

2648
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:18,400
Going to chapter 13. [clears throat]

2649
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:21,760
>> Yep. 84. Anything?

2650
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:27,430
85.

2651
01:57:27,440 --> 01:57:33,270
Mhm. [clears throat]

2652
01:57:33,280 --> 01:57:36,386
» 86.

2653
01:57:36,396 --> 01:57:36,400
[cough and clears throat]

2654
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:38,880
>> 86 mark is where we have that council of

2655
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:41,599
governments.

2656
01:57:41,599 --> 01:57:44,560
>> Yes, I looked it up.

2657
01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:46,880
>> There is no formal or permanent council

2658
01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:49,679
of governments in Carol County. Instead,

2659
01:57:49,679 --> 01:57:51,679
municipal collaboration between the

2660
01:57:51,679 --> 01:57:53,920
county and its eight incorporated towns

2661
01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:56,159
are facilitated primarily through the

2662
01:57:56,159 --> 01:57:58,400
Maryland Municipal League, Carol County

2663
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:00,080
Chapter. Here it is. I'll give it to

2664
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:01,679
you. Type it in.

2665
01:58:01,679 --> 01:58:02,639
>> Right. There you go.

2666
01:58:02,639 --> 01:58:04,639
>> So, this

2667
01:58:04,639 --> 01:58:06,080
council of government used to be a

2668
01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:07,040
council of government.

2669
01:58:07,040 --> 01:58:07,760
>> That's what goes in

2670
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:09,119
>> a long time ago. That's what they called

2671
01:58:09,119 --> 01:58:18,790
it, but it's gone.

2672
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:20,080
You know what?

2673
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:21,599
>> We have that on the next page.

2674
01:58:21,599 --> 01:58:22,480
>> I'll do this.

2675
01:58:22,480 --> 01:58:24,400
>> We have the MML on the next page.

2676
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:26,320
>> Page 86

2677
01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:28,000
Council of Governments, Mark. So, if you

2678
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:29,760
need to write that on a piece of paper,

2679
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:36,390
>> I will

2680
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:38,560
council governments. This will replace

2681
01:58:38,560 --> 01:58:42,390
what's here.

2682
01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:45,840
Okay. Page 87.

2683
01:58:45,840 --> 01:58:47,440
I believe the membership and

2684
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:50,400
participation in Baltimore Metropolitan

2685
01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:53,040
Council can be removed. It's not

2686
01:58:53,040 --> 01:59:00,629
applicable to New Windsor.

2687
01:59:00,639 --> 01:59:06,629
Okay. So that whole

2688
01:59:06,639 --> 01:59:09,520
membership Baltimore Metro Council gone

2689
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:10,480
take it all out.

2690
01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:11,040
>> Yes.

2691
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:13,440
>> Okay.

2692
01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:16,800
Anything else on 87? Anybody?

2693
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:23,807
88.

2694
01:59:23,817 --> 01:59:25,440
[clears throat]

2695
01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:28,560
I had a um on 88 I had a question mark

2696
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:31,760
there. We have no fiscal implications

2697
01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:34,239
section

2698
01:59:34,239 --> 01:59:37,040
like we did for the other.

2699
01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:39,040
Oh, we just made two of them listed.

2700
01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:40,800
There's no physical impact. The last

2701
01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:44,000
tail, we didn't call it a section.

2702
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:46,080
recommended actions. We did not

2703
01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:48,159
>> It wasn't the original one. [laughter]

2704
01:59:48,159 --> 01:59:50,400
We don't need to have it there then.

2705
01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:51,040
>> Yeah.

2706
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:52,480
>> That's I think it wasn't the original.

2707
01:59:52,480 --> 01:59:53,760
That's why we did it that way.

2708
01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:56,080
>> Yeah. All right.

2709
01:59:56,080 --> 01:59:59,990
Uh page 89

2710
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:01,520
community design. Yes.

2711
02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:04,000
>> Yes. Did you change the the table

2712
02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:05,840
numbers? Are they in sync now?

2713
02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:07,280
>> Yeah, they're all in sync now. Yes.

2714
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:10,000
>> And I had nothing else on those pages.

2715
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:14,000
99. How about 90? Anybody? You got the

2716
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:15,040
tables right?

2717
02:00:15,040 --> 02:00:15,520
>> Yep.

2718
02:00:15,520 --> 02:00:26,790
>> Okay, cool. Anything on 90? 91

2719
02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:31,830
mobile home on there.

2720
02:00:31,840 --> 02:00:33,440
» We're going to see who catches that. Who

2721
02:00:33,440 --> 02:00:34,000
finds it?

2722
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:35,920
>> Yeah. [laughter]

2723
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:37,360
Keep moving.

2724
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:41,669
>> How about 92?

2725
02:00:41,679 --> 02:00:45,440
I had a question under down towards the

2726
02:00:45,440 --> 02:00:46,639
bottom of the page under current

2727
02:00:46,639 --> 02:00:49,599
affordable housing programs. We have uh

2728
02:00:49,599 --> 02:00:52,159
something in PNS there. It says or in

2729
02:00:52,159 --> 02:00:52,800
bold

2730
02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:53,760
>> bold roughly

2731
02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:55,840
>> whatever roughly 25 households.

2732
02:00:55,840 --> 02:00:57,760
>> Yeah.

2733
02:00:57,760 --> 02:01:00,560
>> Is that accurate? Is it true? Do we

2734
02:01:00,560 --> 02:01:03,920
really know that?

2735
02:01:03,920 --> 02:01:06,400
No,

2736
02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:08,639
>> I don't know the number, but I know that

2737
02:01:08,639 --> 02:01:11,840
there are a few.

2738
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:14,000
>> Just say a percentage of

2739
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:14,880
>> use any number.

2740
02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:16,480
>> Don't use a number. Then just put there

2741
02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:18,719
are households within New Windsor.

2742
02:01:18,719 --> 02:01:21,440
>> Yes.

2743
02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:22,000
>> Exactly.

2744
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:24,719
>> Okay. So, let's Why don't we do this?

2745
02:01:24,719 --> 02:01:28,400
>> So, I understand. So, there's

2746
02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:30,159
>> just change it to the R. Yeah.

2747
02:01:30,159 --> 02:01:34,550
>> 10%. So

2748
02:01:34,560 --> 02:01:36,080
» within News area

2749
02:01:36,080 --> 02:01:40,159
>> 10% just say they are there are

2750
02:01:40,159 --> 02:01:46,470
>> don't even put a percentage in there.

2751
02:01:46,480 --> 02:01:47,360
» Sure.

2752
02:01:47,360 --> 02:01:49,360
>> There are households within New Wor area

2753
02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:51,760
currently receiving some sort of housing

2754
02:01:51,760 --> 02:01:52,800
assistance.

2755
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:53,840
>> Yeah.

2756
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:54,880
Don't lock yourself.

2757
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:57,119
>> I would lock Yeah.

2758
02:01:57,119 --> 02:01:59,920
put a number that's ever changing

2759
02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:01,679
>> because there always will be. So, we're

2760
02:02:01,679 --> 02:02:04,400
always correct.

2761
02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:05,440
>> I know if you

2762
02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:08,080
>> Anybody else have uh anything on 92? How

2763
02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:09,440
about 93?

2764
02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:13,280
>> On 92 there's a there's some weird uh

2765
02:02:13,280 --> 02:02:16,239
font issues on that page of

2766
02:02:16,239 --> 02:02:18,080
>> Okay.

2767
02:02:18,080 --> 02:02:19,599
>> So, fiddle page.

2768
02:02:19,599 --> 02:02:24,709
>> Okay. All right. 93.

2769
02:02:24,719 --> 02:02:28,229
Okay. Okay. 94.

2770
02:02:28,239 --> 02:02:30,639
Fiscal implications at the bottom can be

2771
02:02:30,639 --> 02:02:32,000
removed. Did you do that one?

2772
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:33,119
>> Yep. Gone.

2773
02:02:33,119 --> 02:02:44,070
>> Perfect. How about 95?

2774
02:02:44,080 --> 02:02:47,109
» 96.

2775
02:02:47,119 --> 02:02:52,239
We need to change that to uh 2026.

2776
02:02:52,239 --> 02:02:52,880
>> No.

2777
02:02:52,880 --> 02:02:55,440
because we that's what we had. We

2778
02:02:55,440 --> 02:02:56,239
got the the

2779
02:02:56,239 --> 02:02:56,800
>> You got it.

2780
02:02:56,800 --> 02:02:59,360
>> Yeah. No, it's 2025 land use

2781
02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:02,639
designations is what we got.

2782
02:03:02,639 --> 02:03:05,199
>> That's the uh the land use designation.

2783
02:03:05,199 --> 02:03:06,400
>> No, no, no.

2784
02:03:06,400 --> 02:03:07,520
>> The the first line.

2785
02:03:07,520 --> 02:03:08,880
>> The first line.

2786
02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:10,639
>> The new Windsor Community Comprehensive

2787
02:03:10,639 --> 02:03:10,960
Plan.

2788
02:03:10,960 --> 02:03:12,159
>> Sorry, I thought you were talking about

2789
02:03:12,159 --> 02:03:12,480
changing.

2790
02:03:12,480 --> 02:03:13,520
>> I need to see it now. Right.

2791
02:03:13,520 --> 02:03:15,599
>> Yes, I did change out there.

2792
02:03:15,599 --> 02:03:22,550
>> That's all I had.

2793
02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:25,119
Thank you, Dave.

2794
02:03:25,119 --> 02:03:26,719
>> No, you brought us in late.

2795
02:03:26,719 --> 02:03:27,920
>> I brought you in, though.

2796
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:31,040
>> You did. You brought us in quick, Dave.

2797
02:03:31,040 --> 02:03:33,040
you

2798
02:03:33,040 --> 02:03:35,340
brought us in fast. Fast and hot.

2799
02:03:35,340 --> 02:03:36,480
[laughter]

2800
02:03:36,480 --> 02:03:39,840
>> Dave, Dave, take that white.

2801
02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:43,520
>> Take that white tube that's there.

2802
02:03:43,520 --> 02:03:45,520
>> Okay. And one end of it is a little

2803
02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:50,149
white button. Give it a push.

2804
02:03:50,159 --> 02:03:51,060
There you go.

2805
02:03:51,060 --> 02:03:51,360
>> [laughter]

2806
02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:58,910
>> That's a CATION

2807
02:03:58,920 --> 02:04:04,390
[laughter]

2808
02:04:04,400 --> 02:04:05,040
out of there.

2809
02:04:05,040 --> 02:04:08,239
>> No, that's when

2810
02:04:08,239 --> 02:04:10,239
we have to clean it up. [laughter]

2811
02:04:10,239 --> 02:04:12,480
>> I I was at a wedding in North Carolina

2812
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:14,239
last night about 1:00 and we were

2813
02:04:14,239 --> 02:04:16,400
wrapping up. I decided to grab some of

2814
02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:17,360
those that

2815
02:04:17,360 --> 02:04:20,320
>> I think it's completely appropriate.

2816
02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:20,800
>> So,

2817
02:04:20,800 --> 02:04:23,440
>> okay. So, now what?

2818
02:04:23,440 --> 02:04:28,080
>> So, um I make a motion we approve.

2819
02:04:28,080 --> 02:04:31,015
Second. All in favor say I.

2820
02:04:31,015 --> 02:04:31,280
>> [laughter]

2821
02:04:31,280 --> 02:04:34,000
>> So what we have

2822
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:39,360
I I don't I I can turn take this now

2823
02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:41,440
>> and forward this on because I've gone

2824
02:04:41,440 --> 02:04:43,360
through and done all the little changes

2825
02:04:43,360 --> 02:04:44,880
that we just did tonight.

2826
02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:46,239
>> That last little piece of paper you

2827
02:04:46,239 --> 02:04:47,440
have.

2828
02:04:47,440 --> 02:04:49,199
>> Good point. Yes.

2829
02:04:49,199 --> 02:04:51,760
>> Well, that's the next question. Um, I

2830
02:04:51,760 --> 02:04:54,800
reminded Ethan last week before I left

2831
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:56,800
that he uh uh he said he was going to

2832
02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:59,599
give me who we would need to forward

2833
02:04:59,599 --> 02:05:01,280
this on to next. He said he had

2834
02:05:01,280 --> 02:05:02,639
>> he's still looking at them from the

2835
02:05:02,639 --> 02:05:03,520
county.

2836
02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:04,239
>> Yes.

2837
02:05:04,239 --> 02:05:06,560
>> But he had when he did it for what did

2838
02:05:06,560 --> 02:05:09,119
he say? Manchester

2839
02:05:09,119 --> 02:05:10,560
>> was it Hamstead one of them.

2840
02:05:10,560 --> 02:05:11,920
>> They're the same, aren't they? Hamstead.

2841
02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:13,599
Manchester North County.

2842
02:05:13,599 --> 02:05:14,320
>> Hamster.

2843
02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:17,920
>> Yeah, Hamch. When he was he said they

2844
02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:19,760
had just done this a couple of months

2845
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:21,280
ago. Yeah, they were working on their

2846
02:05:21,280 --> 02:05:23,599
>> Yes. So he So he said the first step was

2847
02:05:23,599 --> 02:05:25,840
so he would send me who it needed to go

2848
02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:27,840
to and I've reminded him that I still

2849
02:05:27,840 --> 02:05:28,960
needed that.

2850
02:05:28,960 --> 02:05:32,639
>> Okay. So is there anything else that we

2851
02:05:32,639 --> 02:05:34,560
know of

2852
02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:37,119
that needs to be looked at or reviewed?

2853
02:05:37,119 --> 02:05:38,960
Now,

2854
02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:42,239
um I think so and it's not not not

2855
02:05:42,239 --> 02:05:45,599
substantive so much as structural and

2856
02:05:45,599 --> 02:05:48,080
some of this is just me and I will I

2857
02:05:48,080 --> 02:05:50,800
will not insist but if you have five

2858
02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:54,400
sections and four of them say the goal

2859
02:05:54,400 --> 02:05:57,280
is blah and the fifth one doesn't

2860
02:05:57,280 --> 02:06:00,159
mention that that things should match

2861
02:06:00,159 --> 02:06:01,520
>> things should m because I'm telling you

2862
02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:04,880
the M MDP wants things to match. So,

2863
02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:08,639
I've started in my own neurotic way. Um,

2864
02:06:08,639 --> 02:06:11,360
so, so look for those things cuz I know

2865
02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:13,599
we've gone through this substance. So,

2866
02:06:13,599 --> 02:06:15,360
there might be and I know Dave is

2867
02:06:15,360 --> 02:06:21,599
probably way better at that stuff than I am. um finding and not to find

2868
02:06:21,599 --> 02:06:27,040
fault but just to find things that maybe

2869
02:06:27,040 --> 02:06:30,239
want to be finished or or revisited

2870
02:06:30,239 --> 02:06:33,679
before it's printed in however many I

2871
02:06:33,679 --> 02:06:35,119
don't have a hard copy of it. I'm

2872
02:06:35,119 --> 02:06:37,199
looking at it on the machine. I've never

2873
02:06:37,199 --> 02:06:39,280
had a hard copy of it since the original

2874
02:06:39,280 --> 02:06:40,079
one.

2875
02:06:40,079 --> 02:06:41,840
>> Oh, actually I sent it to you three

2876
02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:42,400
weeks ago.

2877
02:06:42,400 --> 02:06:43,840
>> Oh, I have it. It's on the machine.

2878
02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:45,840
>> Oh, yeah. On the machine. So, um would

2879
02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:47,040
you like a hard copy? I can certainly

2880
02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:47,520
get you.

2881
02:06:47,520 --> 02:06:49,920
>> Well, No, cuz I'm I'm looking at it now

2882
02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:52,880
on the machine to see before we print it

2883
02:06:52,880 --> 02:06:54,960
off if anybody else feels that they're

2884
02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:57,040
want to do that or if that's just me, in

2885
02:06:57,040 --> 02:06:58,079
which case I'll stop.

2886
02:06:58,079 --> 02:07:00,079
>> Well, I went I went through it as

2887
02:07:00,079 --> 02:07:02,960
thoroughly as I could trying to catch

2888
02:07:02,960 --> 02:07:05,119
those kind of nuances. Now, I don't know

2889
02:07:05,119 --> 02:07:06,880
that I would willing to bet I didn't

2890
02:07:06,880 --> 02:07:09,440
catch them all. So, there could be some

2891
02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:12,159
stuff like that, but I did I did balance

2892
02:07:12,159 --> 02:07:13,840
page numbers. I bounced paragraph

2893
02:07:13,840 --> 02:07:16,400
numbers. I tried to find the consistency

2894
02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:19,119
between the the different sections.

2895
02:07:19,119 --> 02:07:20,800
That's why I threw fiscal, you know,

2896
02:07:20,800 --> 02:07:21,119
those

2897
02:07:21,119 --> 02:07:22,560
>> and that's already been part of our

2898
02:07:22,560 --> 02:07:23,199
discussion.

2899
02:07:23,199 --> 02:07:24,159
>> Right. So,

2900
02:07:24,159 --> 02:07:26,719
>> you've done it. I'm confident to the

2901
02:07:26,719 --> 02:07:28,639
best of my ability

2902
02:07:28,639 --> 02:07:31,920
>> and I've also gone through and what I

2903
02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:35,360
mean put out there this hard copy was as

2904
02:07:35,360 --> 02:07:38,480
close as I felt like I could come with

2905
02:07:38,480 --> 02:07:41,280
getting those to match up. So, the table

2906
02:07:41,280 --> 02:07:47,599
numbers, pages, and all of that. Um, and consistency when we reference

2907
02:07:47,599 --> 02:07:51,520
something back and forth. Um, so what

2908
02:07:51,520 --> 02:07:53,199
you had there is hard copy was the best

2909
02:07:53,199 --> 02:07:55,679
I could do at that time. And if you've

2910
02:07:55,679 --> 02:07:58,480
looked through it, I think that's two

2911
02:07:58,480 --> 02:08:00,239
screenings that we've done and we've all

2912
02:08:00,239 --> 02:08:03,360
kind of had also had a chance to

2913
02:08:03,360 --> 02:08:04,560
send this out again.

2914
02:08:04,560 --> 02:08:07,119
>> Now, will your table of contents get

2915
02:08:07,119 --> 02:08:09,280
updated to reflect? Okay. Cuz I even did

2916
02:08:09,280 --> 02:08:11,840
that as I went through it. Okay. which,

2917
02:08:11,840 --> 02:08:13,280
you know, it's already changed now

2918
02:08:13,280 --> 02:08:14,719
because of a couple things we just took

2919
02:08:14,719 --> 02:08:15,280
out,

2920
02:08:15,280 --> 02:08:15,679
>> right?

2921
02:08:15,679 --> 02:08:16,639
>> So, yeah.

2922
02:08:16,639 --> 02:08:18,719
>> So, I guess until you clean up all the

2923
02:08:18,719 --> 02:08:20,719
font, make that all the same, you'll be

2924
02:08:20,719 --> 02:08:22,800
able to put in your pages or

2925
02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:24,320
>> Yeah, it's all done. It's already been

2926
02:08:24,320 --> 02:08:24,960
done. Yeah.

2927
02:08:24,960 --> 02:08:26,800
>> How about that little note that I Well,

2928
02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:28,320
cuz you were out of town, I think, when

2929
02:08:28,320 --> 02:08:35,440
I sent that about that. I had written a note about the density

2930
02:08:35,440 --> 02:08:37,599
>> and the anticipated density and the hot

2931
02:08:37,599 --> 02:08:38,639
property. Okay.

2932
02:08:38,639 --> 02:08:40,159
>> And then I got an email from Gary

2933
02:08:40,159 --> 02:08:42,159
telling me that my numbers were wrong.

2934
02:08:42,159 --> 02:08:42,719
>> Okay.

2935
02:08:42,719 --> 02:08:44,239
>> So no, I have not seen.

2936
02:08:44,239 --> 02:08:46,560
>> All right. You know what?

2937
02:08:46,560 --> 02:08:47,840
>> I give that to you.

2938
02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:50,079
>> Okay. Now can't say I haven't seen it.

2939
02:08:50,079 --> 02:08:50,320
Okay.

2940
02:08:50,320 --> 02:08:53,440
>> There you go.

2941
02:08:53,440 --> 02:08:55,360
>> That's what he's talking about. And I

2942
02:08:55,360 --> 02:08:57,520
said, I got that from the current draft.

2943
02:08:57,520 --> 02:08:59,920
We'll fix it. But that's where the note

2944
02:08:59,920 --> 02:09:02,639
was. So you may now

2945
02:09:02,639 --> 02:09:05,464
>> Thank you.

2946
02:09:05,464 --> 02:09:10,069
[snorts]

2947
02:09:10,079 --> 02:09:13,679
for that. So I think this ended at what

2948
02:09:13,679 --> 02:09:17,760
96 or yeah 96 we are going to finish at

2949
02:09:17,760 --> 02:09:18,960
92.

2950
02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:19,520
>> Oh good.

2951
02:09:19,520 --> 02:09:22,639
>> So my things we have taken out further

2952
02:09:22,639 --> 02:09:25,760
we started at 160 couple

2953
02:09:25,760 --> 02:09:27,440
>> so

2954
02:09:27,440 --> 02:09:27,679
>> um

2955
02:09:27,679 --> 02:09:30,800
>> efficiency through government. Love it.

2956
02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:33,040
>> I'm not sure how efficient this process

2957
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:34,480
has been.

2958
02:09:34,480 --> 02:09:38,880
>> Not at all. Okay. Um,

2959
02:09:38,880 --> 02:09:41,599
I will make the changes we just talked

2960
02:09:41,599 --> 02:09:45,920
about and I will send it around again.

2961
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:48,639
Um, but at the same time, it's going to

2962
02:09:48,639 --> 02:09:52,159
go off to whoever Ethan says is the next

2963
02:09:52,159 --> 02:09:54,159
step and he said there were a variety of

2964
02:09:54,159 --> 02:09:54,480
places.

2965
02:09:54,480 --> 02:09:55,840
>> Yeah, there's a bunch of boxes that have

2966
02:09:55,840 --> 02:09:56,239
to go.

2967
02:09:56,239 --> 02:09:57,040
>> Um,

2968
02:09:57,040 --> 02:09:58,480
>> including Ethan's office.

2969
02:09:58,480 --> 02:10:01,040
>> Yes. Now, he does have it himself.

2970
02:10:01,040 --> 02:10:02,719
>> He has the whole thing, not just in his

2971
02:10:02,719 --> 02:10:04,239
Yeah, I gave him the whole thing because

2972
02:10:04,239 --> 02:10:06,320
I He had never seen it at all.

2973
02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:07,040
>> That's true.

2974
02:10:07,040 --> 02:10:10,560
>> And I felt like he needed Yes.

2975
02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:11,920
>> You would think there would be some

2976
02:10:11,920 --> 02:10:13,040
transitioning.

2977
02:10:13,040 --> 02:10:15,920
>> No, but that's that's a pain and useless

2978
02:10:15,920 --> 02:10:16,400
hope.

2979
02:10:16,400 --> 02:10:19,360
>> Yes. That's government doesn't.

2980
02:10:19,360 --> 02:10:21,840
Okay. So, um

2981
02:10:21,840 --> 02:10:24,639
>> why don't we start on the next revision?

2982
02:10:24,639 --> 02:10:25,840
Yeah. [laughter]

2983
02:10:25,840 --> 02:10:29,280
>> Well, I wanted to ask you out of here.

2984
02:10:29,280 --> 02:10:31,119
Did anybody catch what he said about I

2985
02:10:31,119 --> 02:10:33,119
think it was Manchester. They've done

2986
02:10:33,119 --> 02:10:35,840
two amendments to their 2010

2987
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:36,719
>> comprehensive plan.

2988
02:10:36,719 --> 02:10:38,159
>> I did hear that.

2989
02:10:38,159 --> 02:10:39,520
>> Yeah. So,

2990
02:10:39,520 --> 02:10:42,400
>> you know, maybe we don't have to.

2991
02:10:42,400 --> 02:10:43,920
>> Believe me, you are not the only people

2992
02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:46,480
who um may appear to be somewhat

2993
02:10:46,480 --> 02:10:49,040
dilatory.

2994
02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:52,719
uh I sent around in your book here in

2995
02:10:52,719 --> 02:10:57,599
the very front my initial key points

2996
02:10:57,599 --> 02:10:59,280
that I was going to put in the cover

2997
02:10:59,280 --> 02:11:02,880
letter. I'll just ask if there are if

2998
02:11:02,880 --> 02:11:05,280
you would take a look at that again and

2999
02:11:05,280 --> 02:11:07,199
see if there's anything that you would

3000
02:11:07,199 --> 02:11:10,880
like or suggest added to that. Uh we're

3001
02:11:10,880 --> 02:11:11,920
not at the point cuz it's not going to

3002
02:11:11,920 --> 02:11:13,760
be turned over to town council yet.

3003
02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:17,040
>> Mhm. But I feel like they point out some

3004
02:11:17,040 --> 02:11:19,679
things to them. One of them may be going

3005
02:11:19,679 --> 02:11:21,920
away, which was the Snater property, but

3006
02:11:21,920 --> 02:11:25,040
certainly the Hoff is is is is

3007
02:11:25,040 --> 02:11:27,440
you know, right now it's in our GAB and

3008
02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:29,599
there's no likelihood that's going to

3009
02:11:29,599 --> 02:11:32,239
change from our perspective.

3010
02:11:32,239 --> 02:11:36,239
We need to um

3011
02:11:36,239 --> 02:11:39,440
I had the beginning of chapter 3

3012
02:11:39,440 --> 02:11:41,679
verbiage.

3013
02:11:41,679 --> 02:11:44,480
So there's there's verbiage up at the

3014
02:11:44,480 --> 02:11:48,239
beginning of chapter 3 that gives some

3015
02:11:48,239 --> 02:11:49,520
history. The New Windsor Planning

3016
02:11:49,520 --> 02:11:54,239
Commission began its review blah blah. So I think that information at the

3017
02:11:54,239 --> 02:11:56,719
beginning of chapter 3 can go in the

3018
02:11:56,719 --> 02:11:58,719
letter to the

3019
02:11:58,719 --> 02:12:00,800
>> Oh,

3020
02:12:00,800 --> 02:12:02,316
let me get to chapter 3 here so

3021
02:12:02,316 --> 02:12:06,159
[clears throat] I can see what spec

3022
02:12:06,159 --> 02:12:06,480
here.

3023
02:12:06,480 --> 02:12:11,350
>> Mhm.

3024
02:12:11,360 --> 02:12:13,199
And I think from a from the legal

3025
02:12:13,199 --> 02:12:17,599
perspective as once this is completely

3026
02:12:17,599 --> 02:12:19,760
cleaned up and finished with tonight's

3027
02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:23,520
comments and everything else um if

3028
02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:26,079
you're not ready to send it send it to

3029
02:12:26,079 --> 02:12:28,159
the council.

3030
02:12:28,159 --> 02:12:29,760
It would be prudent even though I know

3031
02:12:29,760 --> 02:12:31,760
we we've discussed and voted on a couple

3032
02:12:31,760 --> 02:12:33,599
of specifics.

3033
02:12:33,599 --> 02:12:36,480
You need to have a resol not necessarily

3034
02:12:36,480 --> 02:12:38,159
a resolution. You need to have something

3035
02:12:38,159 --> 02:12:41,280
in your in your formalizing

3036
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:46,560
that you have finished it and here it is

3037
02:12:46,560 --> 02:12:49,599
and send that to to the council as well.

3038
02:12:49,599 --> 02:12:52,719
Another another step

3039
02:12:52,719 --> 02:12:54,480
from here.

3040
02:12:54,480 --> 02:12:55,440
>> Can I just

3041
02:12:55,440 --> 02:12:56,880
>> maybe maybe that's not what you had

3042
02:12:56,880 --> 02:12:59,040
contemplated

3043
02:12:59,040 --> 02:13:00,560
>> just I mean you know

3044
02:13:00,560 --> 02:13:02,159
>> okay we finished it and it's now been

3045
02:13:02,159 --> 02:13:05,440
forwarded on to these bodies for their

3046
02:13:05,440 --> 02:13:06,719
review. Well,

3047
02:13:06,719 --> 02:13:08,960
>> you mean like coming to do that?

3048
02:13:08,960 --> 02:13:12,079
>> Yes, we make a motion to something that

3049
02:13:12,079 --> 02:13:14,320
is reflected in your minutes

3050
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:16,800
>> that you have completed that you haven't

3051
02:13:16,800 --> 02:13:19,040
really completed because we made changes

3052
02:13:19,040 --> 02:13:21,440
tonight. There's a change in the note.

3053
02:13:21,440 --> 02:13:23,520
There's

3054
02:13:23,520 --> 02:13:25,440
>> another hard copy that's complete

3055
02:13:25,440 --> 02:13:27,440
>> that Gary and and Ethan were talking

3056
02:13:27,440 --> 02:13:29,040
about for the war of sewer. I don't have

3057
02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:31,199
the maps and I don't have the maps on

3058
02:13:31,199 --> 02:13:34,560
the computer

3059
02:13:34,560 --> 02:13:37,280
and I know and I share everyone's

3060
02:13:37,280 --> 02:13:39,760
eagerness to devest ourselves of this

3061
02:13:39,760 --> 02:13:43,199
piece of paper at least for a while. Um,

3062
02:13:43,199 --> 02:13:45,599
but I I want to make sure that all the

3063
02:13:45,599 --> 02:13:49,199
formal steps are taken that are required

3064
02:13:49,199 --> 02:13:52,000
by the law and

3065
02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:54,719
>> well I I I will add that what Ethan said

3066
02:13:54,719 --> 02:13:59,990
to me when we talked about this that

3067
02:14:00,000 --> 02:14:02,800
This is what it looks like today, right?

3068
02:14:02,800 --> 02:14:04,320
>> There are things in process.

3069
02:14:04,320 --> 02:14:05,040
>> Oh yeah.

3070
02:14:05,040 --> 02:14:06,880
>> Just like we know like the Hoff property

3071
02:14:06,880 --> 02:14:09,360
and the others and

3072
02:14:09,360 --> 02:14:10,800
you know he's having this discussion

3073
02:14:10,800 --> 02:14:13,040
with Gary. So he says that's all going

3074
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:15,679
to be that that is supposed to be caught

3075
02:14:15,679 --> 02:14:17,599
by them and and their

3076
02:14:17,599 --> 02:14:19,119
>> Okay. Well, good. Because I know that

3077
02:14:19,119 --> 02:14:20,800
the whole water sewer plan and the map

3078
02:14:20,800 --> 02:14:22,400
numbers and things like that may have to

3079
02:14:22,400 --> 02:14:23,679
be changed. Well, the water resource

3080
02:14:23,679 --> 02:14:26,159
element, you know, when we we first got

3081
02:14:26,159 --> 02:14:27,520
talking about that, I think that was his

3082
02:14:27,520 --> 02:14:29,360
first time here and we we were we were

3083
02:14:29,360 --> 02:14:31,199
chatting about that. He says that's all

3084
02:14:31,199 --> 02:14:31,840
part of their

3085
02:14:31,840 --> 02:14:33,360
>> it's all part of what they're doing.

3086
02:14:33,360 --> 02:14:35,119
People get comment

3087
02:14:35,119 --> 02:14:36,800
>> because again the same idea you were

3088
02:14:36,800 --> 02:14:39,119
doing talking about with Dave that you

3089
02:14:39,119 --> 02:14:40,480
know they're going to make sure that the

3090
02:14:40,480 --> 02:14:43,440
pieces match up not only ours but with

3091
02:14:43,440 --> 02:14:45,840
theirs their scheme.

3092
02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:47,360
>> I'm not a trusting individual.

3093
02:14:47,360 --> 02:14:48,960
>> Yeah, I I'm not either. I think it's

3094
02:14:48,960 --> 02:14:50,480
much easier when it's hard copy than

3095
02:14:50,480 --> 02:14:51,760
when you start having it all in here.

3096
02:14:51,760 --> 02:14:53,199
Yeah, I'm a hard copy person.

3097
02:14:53,199 --> 02:14:54,800
>> I think I had Mark where you're where

3098
02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:57,599
you're saying we went from whatever 160

3099
02:14:57,599 --> 02:15:01,040
pages down to 92. Um, you need to say we

3100
02:15:01,040 --> 02:15:03,920
did that by removing the bulk of the non

3101
02:15:03,920 --> 02:15:06,239
New Windsor verbiage that was typically

3102
02:15:06,239 --> 02:15:07,920
Carol County related.

3103
02:15:07,920 --> 02:15:09,760
>> Yeah, there's a lot of extraneous stuff

3104
02:15:09,760 --> 02:15:10,960
in there.

3105
02:15:10,960 --> 02:15:12,239
>> So, just because they're going to wonder

3106
02:15:12,239 --> 02:15:14,239
what the heck we cut out. Well, we cut

3107
02:15:14,239 --> 02:15:17,520
out most of the stuff was Carol County

3108
02:15:17,520 --> 02:15:20,079
related verbiage

3109
02:15:20,079 --> 02:15:25,750
>> and it's page 171 to 96.

3110
02:15:25,760 --> 02:15:26,639
» What was that?

3111
02:15:26,639 --> 02:15:28,000
>> 171. Is that what it was?

3112
02:15:28,000 --> 02:15:30,320
>> The last one was 171.

3113
02:15:30,320 --> 02:15:31,280
>> Yeah.

3114
02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:33,040
>> And we're down to 92.

3115
02:15:33,040 --> 02:15:41,430
>> Nice.

3116
02:15:41,440 --> 02:15:43,280
Amazing.

3117
02:15:43,280 --> 02:15:45,520
right here in New Zealand.

3118
02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:48,320
>> Yes, indeed. Better not say that makes

3119
02:15:48,320 --> 02:15:50,400
America leaner. Making government leaner

3120
02:15:50,400 --> 02:15:55,669
for the people. It would make me leaner.

3121
02:15:55,679 --> 02:15:57,199
» All righty.

3122
02:15:57,199 --> 02:15:59,679
>> Citizens at work.

3123
02:15:59,679 --> 02:16:02,960
Citizens on patrol.

3124
02:16:02,960 --> 02:16:07,440
>> Okay, let's see. Um, oh, so

3125
02:16:07,440 --> 02:16:08,320
you think we [clears throat] should have

3126
02:16:08,320 --> 02:16:12,800
a motion that you know or that that's

3127
02:16:12,800 --> 02:16:14,880
that the minutes recognize?

3128
02:16:14,880 --> 02:16:17,040
>> I think the minutes are adequate to

3129
02:16:17,040 --> 02:16:20,389
reflect that the review is complete, but

3130
02:16:20,389 --> 02:16:22,400
[clears throat] the we don't have a

3131
02:16:22,400 --> 02:16:24,079
final

3132
02:16:24,079 --> 02:16:27,040
>> paper. Our draft is complete, but the

3133
02:16:27,040 --> 02:16:27,679
review is

3134
02:16:27,679 --> 02:16:29,599
>> Yes, the review Yeah, our draft is

3135
02:16:29,599 --> 02:16:30,719
complete. The [clears throat] and we're

3136
02:16:30,719 --> 02:16:33,760
being reviewed at the county level and

3137
02:16:33,760 --> 02:16:34,160
state.

3138
02:16:34,160 --> 02:16:35,679
>> When everybody is satisfied with that,

3139
02:16:35,679 --> 02:16:37,840
it'll be forwarded through the process.

3140
02:16:37,840 --> 02:16:39,679
>> Through the process, including the

3141
02:16:39,679 --> 02:16:40,639
60-day review.

3142
02:16:40,639 --> 02:16:41,040
>> Yeah.

3143
02:16:41,040 --> 02:16:42,080
>> Yes.

3144
02:16:42,080 --> 02:16:45,439
>> Which then it will go to the council.

3145
02:16:45,439 --> 02:16:47,519
>> After goes

3146
02:16:47,519 --> 02:16:49,040
are considered. Yes.

3147
02:16:49,040 --> 02:16:50,880
>> Yeah. It has to go to them first cuz all

3148
02:16:50,880 --> 02:16:52,880
the comments any comments we get, we

3149
02:16:52,880 --> 02:16:54,800
have to we have to decide if we're going

3150
02:16:54,800 --> 02:16:57,200
to act on them and incorporate them or

3151
02:16:57,200 --> 02:17:03,920
reject them and if so, why and blah blah blah. And I will hearken back

3152
02:17:03,920 --> 02:17:06,319
to what did uh Ethan say when he

3153
02:17:06,319 --> 02:17:07,439
reviewed

3154
02:17:07,439 --> 02:17:08,719
>> I guess it was Manchester's.

3155
02:17:08,719 --> 02:17:10,399
>> Oh yeah. They had like 72 or something.

3156
02:17:10,399 --> 02:17:12,719
>> Yeah. Yeah. Like 72 comments on theirs.

3157
02:17:12,719 --> 02:17:14,639
So and they have a professional planner

3158
02:17:14,639 --> 02:17:17,120
on their staff. So

3159
02:17:17,120 --> 02:17:18,000
>> we can beat them.

3160
02:17:18,000 --> 02:17:20,639
>> No. Well, we can beat them.

3161
02:17:20,639 --> 02:17:22,479
>> Will this be posted like on the town's

3162
02:17:22,479 --> 02:17:24,160
website for public review?

3163
02:17:24,160 --> 02:17:25,280
>> Not yet.

3164
02:17:25,280 --> 02:17:27,920
>> But I mean will that be the process or

3165
02:17:27,920 --> 02:17:29,439
>> Oh, there's got to be public hearings on

3166
02:17:29,439 --> 02:17:30,080
this thing.

3167
02:17:30,080 --> 02:17:31,200
>> Yeah. that.

3168
02:17:31,200 --> 02:17:32,399
>> That's why it's not going to be until

3169
02:17:32,399 --> 02:17:34,719
next year to wear shirts.

3170
02:17:34,719 --> 02:17:36,479
>> Yes. That's why you have to have shirts.

3171
02:17:36,479 --> 02:17:39,040
>> That's right. [laughter]

3172
02:17:39,040 --> 02:17:43,040
>> Target is a target. Exactly.

3173
02:17:43,040 --> 02:17:46,000
>> Bullseye on the back. [laughter]

3174
02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:48,719
>> So, upcoming meetings. Our next meeting

3175
02:17:48,719 --> 02:17:52,160
would is scheduled for Monday 10:26

3176
02:17:52,160 --> 02:17:53,599
at 6.

3177
02:17:53,599 --> 02:17:54,880
>> I will not be in attendance.

3178
02:17:54,880 --> 02:17:56,719
>> You will not be. Okay. I I will let me

3179
02:17:56,719 --> 02:17:59,840
know but for certain I will not be here.

3180
02:17:59,840 --> 02:18:02,080
>> And then but you'll be here in spirit.

3181
02:18:02,080 --> 02:18:02,719
>> You'll be here.

3182
02:18:02,719 --> 02:18:04,080
>> I'll be here.

3183
02:18:04,080 --> 02:18:06,639
>> Um and then the uh next one after that

3184
02:18:06,639 --> 02:18:10,960
is Monday the 23rd and um we always get

3185
02:18:10,960 --> 02:18:12,880
a little dicey around Thanksgiving and

3186
02:18:12,880 --> 02:18:16,479
Christmas for our meetings. So, um, we

3187
02:18:16,479 --> 02:18:18,160
can discuss next month what it looks

3188
02:18:18,160 --> 02:18:20,000
like for people whether that's, you

3189
02:18:20,000 --> 02:18:22,559
know, we'll have a a quorum or not for

3190
02:18:22,559 --> 02:18:26,479
the 23rd, but the 26th of October for

3191
02:18:26,479 --> 02:18:28,880
sure. Don't forget music on the main

3192
02:18:28,880 --> 02:18:30,559
this weekend

3193
02:18:30,559 --> 02:18:32,479
and that is 126 still.

3194
02:18:32,479 --> 02:18:33,120
>> Correct.

3195
02:18:33,120 --> 02:18:37,519
>> Okay. Any other announcements?

3196
02:18:37,519 --> 02:18:39,599
>> When's Meatloaf?

3197
02:18:39,599 --> 02:18:40,319
>> Tomorrow night.

3198
02:18:40,319 --> 02:18:42,880
All right. Drew's famous

3199
02:18:42,880 --> 02:18:45,040
meat globe.

3200
02:18:45,040 --> 02:18:47,519
Okay, I jump on that.

3201
02:18:47,519 --> 02:18:49,280
>> You really should. Up here at Bingo.

3202
02:18:49,280 --> 02:18:52,000
Absolutely. People from all around. I

3203
02:18:52,000 --> 02:18:53,679
know people that have come from Anaonda

3204
02:18:53,679 --> 02:18:56,479
County from uh uh where were they?

3205
02:18:56,479 --> 02:18:59,040
>> I'm going to meet I love Virginia.

3206
02:18:59,040 --> 02:19:01,519
>> Ronaldo, Virginia. [laughter]

3207
02:19:01,519 --> 02:19:04,319
All righty. Any other

3208
02:19:04,319 --> 02:19:06,479
Oh. Um,

3209
02:19:06,479 --> 02:19:10,639
next meeting I will also

3210
02:19:10,639 --> 02:19:13,359
I'll chat with you and then I'll I don't

3211
02:19:13,359 --> 02:19:14,559
know if they will let me borrow that.

3212
02:19:14,559 --> 02:19:16,319
Does Kim have one of those

3213
02:19:16,319 --> 02:19:16,880
>> one? What?

3214
02:19:16,880 --> 02:19:18,399
>> One of those binders with the code in

3215
02:19:18,399 --> 02:19:19,599
it.

3216
02:19:19,599 --> 02:19:20,399
>> She better. Yes,

3217
02:19:20,399 --> 02:19:22,240
>> she better. Okay. Then I'll look in

3218
02:19:22,240 --> 02:19:25,840
there and and and ask you get your view

3219
02:19:25,840 --> 02:19:27,439
because I I think we need to start

3220
02:19:27,439 --> 02:19:29,120
reviewing some sections of the

3221
02:19:29,120 --> 02:19:30,880
>> Oh, yeah. On the code and the charter.

3222
02:19:30,880 --> 02:19:32,719
We've been talking about that. And we

3223
02:19:32,719 --> 02:19:34,639
have, let's not all forget,

3224
02:19:34,639 --> 02:19:37,840
>> um, accessory dwelling units.

3225
02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:40,960
>> Um, I don't think we need a lot of

3226
02:19:40,960 --> 02:19:43,519
complex changes to our code, but there

3227
02:19:43,519 --> 02:19:45,359
are some things that will need to be

3228
02:19:45,359 --> 02:19:47,920
added to little things that are in the

3229
02:19:47,920 --> 02:19:49,120
state law.

3230
02:19:49,120 --> 02:19:52,000
>> Well, can you I know you're paid by the

3231
02:19:52,000 --> 02:19:54,640
hour by the town. Can can we can you

3232
02:19:54,640 --> 02:19:57,280
help me with the agenda for next meeting

3233
02:19:57,280 --> 02:19:59,920
as opposed to chronologically going

3234
02:19:59,920 --> 02:20:00,960
through this?

3235
02:20:00,960 --> 02:20:02,160
>> We can selectively

3236
02:20:02,160 --> 02:20:03,840
>> I think I understand. Yeah, let's just

3237
02:20:03,840 --> 02:20:04,240
talk about it.

3238
02:20:04,240 --> 02:20:06,080
>> Yeah, we'll just talk about it. Okay.

3239
02:20:06,080 --> 02:20:08,319
All right. So, coming attraction just

3240
02:20:08,319 --> 02:20:09,680
when you thought we could go back to

3241
02:20:09,680 --> 02:20:11,280
meeting two or three times a year.

3242
02:20:11,280 --> 02:20:13,200
>> It's never safe to go back in the water.

3243
02:20:13,200 --> 02:20:17,280
>> Yeah. Yes. Yes. All righty. I'm still

3244
02:20:17,280 --> 02:20:18,720
confused about what we're doing with the

3245
02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:20,319
sneakers.

3246
02:20:20,319 --> 02:20:22,479
>> Well, confused right now. We're doing

3247
02:20:22,479 --> 02:20:22,880
nothing.

3248
02:20:22,880 --> 02:20:25,040
>> Yes, we're doing nothing. All righty.

3249
02:20:25,040 --> 02:20:27,120
Can I get a motion to adjurnn?

3250
02:20:27,120 --> 02:20:28,240
>> Yeah, baby.

3251
02:20:28,240 --> 02:20:28,720
>> You can.

3252
02:20:28,720 --> 02:20:29,680
>> Motion to adjurnn.

3253
02:20:29,680 --> 02:20:31,359
>> Motion by Kevin. [clears throat] Second

3254
02:20:31,359 --> 02:20:32,080
by

3255
02:20:32,080 --> 02:20:32,640
>> I'll second.

3256
02:20:32,640 --> 02:20:34,560
>> We're Rebecca there on the board. All

3257
02:20:34,560 --> 02:20:36,960
those in favor signify by I.

3258
02:20:36,960 --> 02:20:39,840
>> I opposed.

3259
02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:40,240
>> Okay.

3260
02:20:40,240 --> 02:20:44,760
>> Was going to be [laughter] but no.