[0:09] [snorts] I pledge allegiance to the flag
[0:12] of the United States of America and to
[0:15] the republic for which it stands, one
[0:17] nation under God, indivisible, with
[0:21] liberty and justice for all.
[0:29] Good evening.
[0:31] >> Good evening.
[0:32] >> Rousing response. Okay. [laughter]
[0:37] So, as always, we work from an agenda
[0:40] and uh based on the information that I
[0:43] had before I left last Monday, I uh put
[0:46] out uh the agenda and uh obviously
[0:49] there's some updates for at least it's
[0:52] items that are already on the agenda.
[0:54] Uh, so I did not see the minutes. They
[0:57] weren't ready uh last week when I sent
[1:00] this out, but I do understand they've
[1:02] gone out. Um, anybody have any? Let's
[1:05] start with the June 22nd where there was
[1:09] uh making them a little bit more uh
[1:11] concise and there were some omitted
[1:13] errors, omitted sections. Did anybody uh
[1:17] have any comments on that?
[1:19] >> I Well, we haven't I haven't received an
[1:22] updated Was it sent out?
[1:25] >> Okay. So, there wasn't an updated June
[1:27] 2nd.
[1:28] >> No, the only minutes I saw were the
[1:30] August.
[1:31] >> No, they were they were
[1:32] >> June came out first.
[1:35] >> They were paired down.
[1:36] >> They were Oh, June come out. Okay.
[1:39] >> Jinger and I discussed this.
[1:41] >> Yeah.
[1:42] >> They were just paired down a little bit.
[1:43] >> Yeah. Okay.
[1:44] >> And I was worried that you admitted
[1:46] pieces that she just had missed the
[1:48] first couple of uh sections.
[1:52] Yeah.
[1:53] >> Okay.
[1:55] [laughter]
[1:55] >> Oh, that was like the same day. But
[1:58] >> the e world is too confusing for me.
[2:00] >> Thoughts, comments?
[2:02] >> I I thought they were Robert. It was on
[2:03] the 23rd um of September. Drew.
[2:08] >> I didn't have
[2:09] >> Okay.
[2:11] You okay?
[2:12] >> Yeah.
[2:12] >> Okay. So, can I get a motion then to
[2:14] accept the June 22nd minutes?
[2:17] >> So, moved. Uh second by
[2:21] >> a second
[2:22] >> Glenn. Okay. Dave
[2:25] >> and second by Glenn.
[2:28] >> All those in favor signify by I.
[2:31] >> I. I.
[2:34] >> Okay. The eyes have it. And then the
[2:36] 24th of August.
[2:41] Get a motion to accept those.
[2:45] >> So moved.
[2:46] >> Second.
[2:47] All right, we'll do Okay,
[2:50] >> get through.
[2:51] >> Okay,
[2:51] >> Drew got it. [clears throat]
[2:53] >> I was looking the other direction when I
[2:55] heard you before. Okay, so motion by
[2:57] Dave Grayson, second by Drew. All those
[2:59] in favor signify by I.
[3:01] >> I.
[3:02] >> Opposed.
[3:03] >> All righty.
[3:10] So, the next item we have on the agenda,
[3:12] if you don't mind waiting a few moments,
[3:14] Jerry, we'll get an update since you
[3:16] have to leave early.
[3:18] I I have 40 minutes though.
[3:20] >> Yeah. Well, we might be taking those 40
[3:22] minutes up. So, if you'd like to give
[3:24] your update from the uh Carol County
[3:27] Planning, that would be great.
[3:28] >> Sounds good. In terms of updates from
[3:32] Carol County Planning and Land
[3:33] Management, the kind of largest, most
[3:36] recent one
[3:38] um that's most pertinent to what you're
[3:40] doing here in New Windsor is that um we
[3:44] at the county level recently passed our
[3:48] updated um our ADU text amendment. So, I
[3:52] know that um ADUs are a a popular topic
[3:56] because of recent state changes to state
[4:00] law that require um municipalities to
[4:02] update their regulations regarding um
[4:05] accessory dwelling units in ADU. So, at
[4:07] the county level, they did the board of
[4:09] county commissioners, I believe, did um
[4:12] vote to pass updates to our county um
[4:16] ADU text in terms of what we require and making sure that it meets the
[4:22] requirements of the state law. um water
[4:25] and sewer planning. We did receive one
[4:28] um request from the town of New Windsor
[4:32] for the fall 2026
[4:35] amendment to the water and sewer master
[4:37] plan. That is a text amendment um which
[4:40] is what we received and that has to do
[4:42] with the wastewater treatment plant and
[4:44] updated communication with MDE which
[4:47] Gary Dy provided me information
[4:49] [clears throat] about and actually we
[4:50] spoke about this I believe at the August
[4:53] meeting briefly
[4:54] >> briefly yes
[4:56] >> um so I was um kind of given additional
[4:58] information on that and we received a
[5:00] request we need to just update the text
[5:02] of New Windsor's chapter of the water
[5:05] master plan to reflect um changes is
[5:07] with respect to future planning for
[5:09] wastewater treatment plant upgrades.
[5:12] >> Um those are the two big updates that I
[5:15] have. I did receive um we are in our
[5:19] kind of our technical review period for
[5:21] the municipal growth
[5:24] for the town of New Windsor's um
[5:26] comprehensive plan update. So we are
[5:31] working internally to get comments back
[5:33] to um Mark and to the town by
[5:36] midocctober so that then if we need to schedule an additional meeting and go
[5:41] through kind of any kind of formal
[5:42] process we we can to discuss any changes
[5:45] to the to the municipal growth area
[5:48] boundary or anything of that nature in chapter six. So any questions for me
[5:53] on any of these topics that I brought
[5:55] up?
[6:00] There is an item that we have on the
[6:02] agenda that
[6:05] >> after I sent to you the change that we
[6:09] wanted to see in that one little note
[6:11] that makes it clear
[6:14] what the density would be if the Huff
[6:17] property is
[6:19] annexed because that's what we need for
[6:22] the War and Sewer upgrade.
[6:24] >> Hypothetically.
[6:24] >> Yeah. Hypothetically. So I changed that
[6:28] and based on the acreage that was in the
[6:32] prior note and then Gary informed me
[6:34] that that acreage was wrong. So that's
[6:37] going to have to be changed. And also
[6:38] we've had a change in the request from
[6:41] the Snater property. Sners had requested
[6:44] some of their property to come out of
[6:47] the GAB or the plan or both
[6:49] >> J. And now uh owing to the uncertainty
[6:53] of the MPP situation, they asked not
[6:58] they didn't withdraw that request. They
[7:00] just asked us to put it on hold. So I
[7:02] think the note will will just reflect
[7:04] that that currently it is it's been
[7:07] submitted but we've been asked to put it
[7:08] on hold, you know, and we'll see how
[7:10] that plays out. But
[7:11] >> yeah, that makes total sense. And we are
[7:12] going to receive it back correspondence
[7:14] as well. Um both via myself and Daffy
[7:17] Daily director um with the county. So we
[7:20] are aware.
[7:22] >> But what does that do? Because we did
[7:25] vote
[7:26] to include in the comprehensive plan
[7:29] thus as a recommendation to the council
[7:32] to have the Snater property uh those two two of the three plots
[7:37] removed. I assume that means then we
[7:39] need to change. Do we I do we vote?
[7:43] >> I they what what's put on hold mean for
[7:46] us? I don't know that it candidly I
[7:48] don't know that it means anything for
[7:49] you.
[7:50] >> I think it would be reflected in the
[7:52] note in the draft once we finally get to
[7:55] submitting that draft. I mean unless the
[7:59] town and and you correct me if you
[8:02] disagree unless the town as the town
[8:07] decides it wants to remove the Sners
[8:10] irrespective of the Snater's wishes.
[8:14] I think that their wishes in this, it
[8:17] came in as a request from them. If they
[8:20] have changed their mind effectively or
[8:22] are waiting to see if they need to
[8:24] change their mind, I think it should
[8:26] just go maybe even with um a cover, you
[8:30] know, I mean, you send all these things
[8:31] with a cover letter that says here it is
[8:33] and by the way, this and this are
[8:35] speculative and please take particular
[8:37] note of that note. And then the electeds
[8:41] who are the ultimate determinant would
[8:44] decide if they're going to leave it in
[8:45] early doubt.
[8:45] >> So like we have our our maps and
[8:47] everything updated.
[8:48] >> I know
[8:48] >> to reflect that.
[8:50] >> I know.
[8:53] >> So uh but even even with the maps
[8:57] and even without a request the electeds
[9:00] could say no, we don't want to do that.
[9:03] In which case the ultimate maps would
[9:06] have to be changed anyway. And th those
[9:08] maps too, just to note, they are
[9:10] technically still in draft form because
[9:12] of the comprehensive plan update hasn't
[9:13] been
[9:14] >> correct. But if we move forward of
[9:17] taking this plan to the council and
[9:21] whether they agree with it or disagree
[9:23] with it, something's going to have to
[9:25] happen to that finished product
[9:27] >> and it will, but we can't do anything
[9:31] yet because we don't have a finished
[9:33] product. Now, honestly, I don't know the
[9:36] answer to if we are ready to go ahead
[9:40] and finish the project. I mean,
[9:42] ultimately finish 60-day review, all of
[9:44] those things. And the Snater's question
[9:46] is still up in the air. Then that's
[9:49] going to have to be resolved ultimately
[9:51] so that the plan can be completed.
[9:54] It is to be hoped
[9:57] against hope that that issue will be
[10:00] resolved by then. I frankly don't think
[10:02] it will, but it it could be. And or they
[10:06] could make a decision to withdraw their
[10:08] withdrawal or to go forward and to come
[10:11] in or out. There's just there's a lot of ifs involved that I don't know
[10:16] that anybody can answer at this point.
[10:18] Either do you have an opinion?
[10:20] >> Are we going to be able to go start the
[10:22] 60-day review possibly with the state
[10:25] with a document that's in that flux? Can
[10:29] we put verbiage in there that says if
[10:31] this happens, this stays. If this
[10:34] happens, this this pulls out.
[10:36] >> Yeah, I think so. If you're asking me if
[10:38] I've seen that.
[10:39] >> Okay.
[10:39] >> I haven't seen that.
[10:41] >> Want this on hold to hold us up?
[10:42] >> Oh, no. I don't I don't see that it
[10:44] would hold us up. Some kind of decision
[10:46] would have to be made by us.
[10:47] >> Would it be better not to show it and
[10:49] say there's potential that it may
[10:52] happen? That's what I feel because they came to us and made a request and I
[10:58] per first off I perfectly understand why they would consider you know or
[11:04] reconsider but they did come to us with
[11:06] a request. We voted on it. We made a
[11:10] decision that we we support having those
[11:14] two those two parcels removed. We
[11:16] reflect that in the plans. It's in the
[11:19] comprehensive plan which is recommended
[11:21] to the council. They've now come back to
[11:24] us and said kind of just put that on
[11:25] hold which to me means
[11:28] and they have put that in writing.
[11:30] >> Yeah.
[11:30] >> That they aren't asking us to bring it
[11:33] in. They're just they're they're
[11:35] thinking about it.
[11:36] >> Yeah. They're kind of asking us not to
[11:38] do anything.
[11:39] >> Yes.
[11:39] >> Which is fine for a little bit of while.
[11:42] But sooner rather than later, we're
[11:45] going to have to do something. Now, the
[11:46] worst that can happen, and it's not that
[11:48] bad, it's just a pain, is if we don't
[11:52] make that change. If we leave the
[11:54] standard property in and
[11:59] >> in
[12:00] we don't withdraw those two lots from
[12:02] our g,
[12:03] >> right? Leave the
[12:05] >> leave them in.
[12:05] >> Yes.
[12:06] >> And then ultimately, they decide that
[12:08] they want them out.
[12:11] We have to go through amending the
[12:13] master plan which we did for part of the
[12:15] lease property long ago. You will recall
[12:17] because they wanted to put that property
[12:19] in act preservation.
[12:20] >> And does that go through a six day
[12:21] period again?
[12:22] >> I don't recall. I apologize. I don't
[12:24] know off
[12:26] >> it goes through update process again
[12:29] just for for context. um in the county.
[12:33] I was reviewing Hamstead's comprehensive
[12:35] plan today and since they did a full
[12:37] plan update, I believe in 2010, they've
[12:39] had two amendments to their to their
[12:42] compre community comprehensive plans to
[12:44] reflect changes to the growth area
[12:45] boundary. So, it's something that that
[12:47] other communities do. Westminster, I'm
[12:48] sure it can be done and does it. And I
[12:51] think actually Westminster maybe
[12:53] >> yeah may have a proposal to do something
[12:55] like that similar again.
[12:56] >> Yeah, we're not surprised. Um but um
[12:58] it's other you know communities in the
[13:01] county have done that recently.
[13:03] >> It's a it's a similar process. I don't
[13:06] know that it's as extensive a review
[13:10] >> to take you know whatever 100 acres out
[13:14] of an area as opposed to uh here is a
[13:16] brand new plan for the next 10 years
[13:18] >> as an amendment to
[13:19] >> you just do it as an amendment. Yeah.
[13:20] But I mean there's a process but it can
[13:21] be done
[13:22] >> right. I I I'm I believe that they're
[13:26] requesting us
[13:28] to not that to put to put on hold taking
[13:32] it out of the GAB.
[13:34] >> That's my interpretation.
[13:35] >> So,
[13:36] >> of that letter, which I know I have here
[13:38] somewhere.
[13:39] >> And and I I would assume we would vote
[13:42] that for now we would take it out of the
[13:44] plan and out of what we're going to
[13:47] recommend. If they then decide and
[13:49] whenever they get to that point, maybe
[13:52] we can fit it into the plan because
[13:54] we're still not completed with totally
[13:57] formalizing the comprehensive plan or it
[13:59] becomes an amendment later. But it
[14:02] sounds like if we go through and move
[14:04] forward now, then
[14:08] I guess it doesn't make any difference
[14:09] because then they could always come back
[14:10] and ask us to take it out of the GA.
[14:12] >> Yeah. And that's what'll happen if you
[14:14] leave it in.
[14:15] >> I feel like I've talked to a lawyer. Uh,
[14:17] isn't that unfortunate?
[14:18] >> Yes.
[14:19] >> Um, but
[14:22] if you leave it in, they can come back
[14:25] and try and amend to take it out. If you
[14:28] take it out, they can come back and try
[14:31] to amend to put it back in.
[14:37] I am even though I know that we we need
[14:40] to resolve all of this issue ideally
[14:42] [clears throat] by whenever we all leave
[14:44] this building tonight.
[14:47] Even with that said, we're not ready to
[14:49] take this document tomorrow and send it
[14:52] out.
[14:54] So
[14:56] >> in my opinion would be that because your
[14:58] plan is still draft
[15:00] >> you're still using you're still
[15:02] technically underneath the old
[15:04] >> the old plan
[15:05] >> growth area boundary on the old plan.
[15:07] >> I I disagree with that because the old
[15:11] plan we we we made a vote during the
[15:15] time of writing this to change the GAB
[15:18] to have them taken out.
[15:20] >> You voted to recommend a change to
[15:22] >> GA. But I mean, no, I I don't mean to to
[15:25] dispute you. I agree with you, but that
[15:28] is not a completed removal. So, until we
[15:34] have a new plan, we are still operating
[15:37] under the old plan.
[15:39] >> Correct.
[15:40] >> Because there's you can't have no plan,
[15:42] >> right?
[15:43] >> Well, you could, but it'd be a mess.
[15:44] >> And that's that's the point that I was
[15:46] making. You're still technically
[15:47] operating under your old plan because
[15:49] this comprehensive plan update hasn't
[15:51] been fully ratified yet,
[15:53] >> but what we're asking to be fully
[15:56] ratified right now includes that change.
[16:00] >> Yeah. Yeah. I I'm too
[16:04] 67.
[16:07] Um,
[16:12] » but we're not
[16:14] quite there yet.
[16:17] >> Yeah. And you haven't even gone through
[16:19] a formal
[16:20] >> We haven't gone through the 60-day
[16:21] review.
[16:22] >> One of the things that concerns me is I
[16:24] don't think this is going to be
[16:25] resolved. I don't think that the Sners
[16:27] will know the answer to their question
[16:30] by the time we get to the point of
[16:32] saying, "Okay, legislative body, here's
[16:36] our public hearing. This is what we're
[16:38] going to do." But we will know
[16:41] once we get this to a point that it will
[16:44] go out for the 60-day review. We would
[16:47] then somewhat the clock could start and
[16:50] say I could reach out to Sners and say
[16:55] we we would need to know whether you
[16:57] want to
[16:59] >> I hate nats.
[17:00] >> Is that an agreement?
[17:01] >> No, that was a net and it's driving me
[17:02] crazy. Um
[17:04] >> but then we then the clock would be
[17:06] running. We could say we have until this
[17:07] time for you to decide.
[17:09] >> There will come a time in the not too
[17:11] distant future it is to be hoped.
[17:13] >> Yeah.
[17:14] >> Where they're going to have to we're
[17:16] going to have to fish or cut bait. But
[17:19] at this point, I don't know that like
[17:21] tonight, I don't really think there's
[17:23] anything we
[17:25] maybe even should
[17:28] do other than acknowledge their request
[17:30] and say that we'll we'll keep keep an
[17:34] open mind on that particular issue
[17:38] because the fact that we voted for it
[17:40] does not cast it in stone.
[17:42] >> So yeah, until it's cast in stone, it
[17:45] can be changed. understand what our
[17:46] recommendation is.
[17:48] >> What your recommendation is, but I don't
[17:50] think I don't know that you're quite
[17:52] there yet either.
[17:55] >> Don't don't try. I mean,
[17:57] >> we haven't sent it to your council
[17:58] formally yet.
[18:00] >> Agreed. But but we have agreed
[18:03] >> at least on that topic
[18:04] >> what we were going to recommend to the
[18:06] council. So you put it in the the plan
[18:09] as this is to be recommended to the
[18:11] council and maybe even called their
[18:13] attention to it and perhaps some other
[18:15] things in your cover letter saying
[18:18] here's the plan we created. Um this is
[18:21] the lawyer thing. Please pay particular
[18:23] attention to page 73 or whatever.
[18:27] >> Um
[18:29] and uh they can reach out. We all can
[18:32] reach out to the sners. They they won't
[18:34] have an answer because this is not going
[18:36] to be resolved by then.
[18:38] >> Okay.
[18:38] >> Um
[18:40] >> I'm going to do that.
[18:41] >> Has the council signed off on on those?
[18:43] >> No. No. They This is They don't get this
[18:46] piece yet until
[18:47] >> they know probably. I'm assuming that
[18:49] they know what has happened, but they we
[18:53] don't give it to them like a section at
[18:55] a time. They'll get the whole thing.
[18:57] Okay. as will anybody else who's
[18:59] reviewing it. The county, the whoever,
[19:02] Baltimore Regional Council, I don't
[19:03] think that's what they call themselves
[19:05] anymore, but
[19:05] >> BMC
[19:08] either way.
[19:09] >> All those folks.
[19:10] >> Yep.
[19:13] » [snorts]
[19:13] >> And who knows, you know, maybe by then
[19:15] they will e even if it isn't resolved,
[19:18] they may for their own reasons change
[19:21] their mind and either say
[19:24] pull it, you know, just pull our request
[19:27] at which point you acknowledge that
[19:29] they've pulled the request and uh or
[19:32] they may say go ahead on and we'll
[19:34] figure it out. There's just no way for
[19:35] me to predict what they're going to want
[19:37] to do. Leaving it as it is now in our
[19:42] recommended comprehensive plan
[19:46] doesn't preclude them from even if it
[19:48] went through with the 60-day period and
[19:50] the council adopted. They could always
[19:52] come back to us and
[19:53] >> they can always come back and ask for an
[19:55] amendment. If the plan is adopted with
[19:58] that those lots gone that haven't been
[20:01] said also the electeds the legislative
[20:04] body can say we really like your plan
[20:07] but for you know this section and we
[20:11] don't want the SN land to come out of
[20:13] our growth area boundary and the reason
[20:15] they would do that is because the Sners
[20:17] asked them to
[20:18] >> fair enough I don't mean that to sound
[20:20] like that that's in any way improper u
[20:23] but you are not the the final decision
[20:25] maker on this. As you all know,
[20:28] >> we are the final decision maker on what
[20:30] we want to recommend.
[20:31] >> You send to them.
[20:32] >> Yes. And it doesn't sound to me like
[20:35] there's any real need
[20:38] to go and change what we're
[20:40] recommending. We've always
[20:42] need to change what you're recommending
[20:44] at this point based on that letter
[20:46] saying, "Please put it on hold." Because
[20:48] we're still on hold. We haven't gotten
[20:51] to the progress point yet. If it had
[20:54] been affirmed from them, we would like
[20:55] to have that withdrawn. That might have
[20:58] been a different story then if they said
[21:00] >> there's a blown out in there. I don't
[21:01] know what you mean.
[21:03] >> Said if the stators had come to us and
[21:05] said not say put it on hold. No, we
[21:08] changed our mind. We don't want to have
[21:10] you pull that out.
[21:10] >> And then I would recommend that you
[21:12] voted to [cough] that you
[21:13] [clears throat] voted to include it. But
[21:15] then we come back to Ethan's point. It's
[21:18] like I've got the plan. I don't have to
[21:22] write down that I'm asking you not to
[21:23] change the plan because the plan is
[21:25] still good.
[21:27] So all you would have to do is not
[21:29] change it. Now that having been said,
[21:31] you know me, I like I like history. I
[21:35] want I don't I don't want somebody 10
[21:37] years from now saying, "Well, it came
[21:38] out and then I went back in and I don't
[21:39] know why and with luck I will be retired
[21:42] by then or dead." So um and no one will
[21:46] know
[21:47] >> the difference.
[21:48] that's entirely likely
[21:49] also
[21:51] Yeah. All right. So, that was a whole
[21:54] bunch of We're not going to do anything
[21:55] right now.
[21:56] >> There you go. That's all that's that's a
[21:58] answer for you.
[22:00] >> And planner's answer for you.
[22:03] >> Now, there's three different parcels
[22:04] here.
[22:05] >> Yeah.
[22:05] >> So, right now, they want all three taken
[22:07] back out.
[22:08] >> That's my understanding.
[22:09] >> So, what happens when they come back and
[22:10] they we already have it for the three
[22:12] and they only want to take one parcel.
[22:16] >> Then I think we're in the same same
[22:18] boat. We just
[22:20] do a new vote that says this is what we
[22:23] voted for and on request from the
[22:25] applicant we've decided to take two out
[22:28] and leave one in or whatever it is. So
[22:31] long as it's done at this level, so long
[22:33] as it's done before it goes to the
[22:35] legislative body, I think, you know, you
[22:38] can make all kinds of changes and not even just on that with with the far
[22:43] with just regular text so long as it
[22:46] hasn't gone to them yet for action
[22:51] because when it comes back from 60-day
[22:53] review, I would be willing to bet for
[22:55] the use of my right arm that it that
[22:57] review is not going to say, "Gee, this
[22:59] is great. We don't have a thing to say.
[23:02] I've never seen that. I would like that,
[23:04] but I've never seen it. So, there's
[23:07] going to be more changes made.
[23:08] >> This is not an unprecedented
[23:11] >> situation. I mean, even the the agenda
[23:14] item that I have in Bridg's council
[23:16] meeting has to do this evening with a
[23:20] press application on a parcel that had
[23:22] come out of the growth area boundary
[23:24] that some of it's still within the
[23:25] growth area boundary. So you know there
[23:27] sounds
[23:27] >> it's a very you know there's very you
[23:30] know these things happen in the other um
[23:33] >> you know alongside and adjacent to the
[23:35] other corporate limits and growth area
[23:37] other municipalities within the county.
[23:38] >> Sure.
[23:41] » I don't have anything else for county
[23:43] update.
[23:45] >> Thank you guys.
[23:50] » Yeah. I am not sure exactly how it
[23:52] slides in there,
[23:54] >> but if it doesn't fall out, that's how.
[23:57] >> Perfect.
[23:58] >> All right. So, that effectively also
[24:01] takes care of what was on the agenda is
[24:03] our fifth item, the Snaker property
[24:05] update. So, let's go back to the former
[24:10] at Property. [clears throat]
[24:12] Terry, you're up.
[24:15] >> So, I know that
[24:17] >> there's the top three stages.
[24:21] The top three pages is is what I was in.
[24:26] >> I got bored, too.
[24:27] >> Oh, okay. Oh, okay. [clears throat]
[24:37] >> Thank you.
[24:42] >> You want you guys?
[24:44] [snorts]
[24:46] [clears throat]
[24:48] >> Yeah. I had actually gotten the one that
[24:51] came through the email. So, if you're
[24:52] shy one,
[24:54] >> I think he's revised something
[24:58] more.
[24:59] >> He's adding more to it.
[25:01] >> I got one right here.
[25:02] >> I'm going to leave this one here in case
[25:04] anybody wants it.
[25:07] >> Oh, thank you, Drew.
[25:11] » Sorry about that.
[25:14] >> All right. So,
[25:17] if everybody reviewed the first three
[25:19] pages, it's kind of a letter that we put
[25:22] together just explaining what we're
[25:25] trying to do and where we find that we
[25:27] need variances. And then the third page
[25:30] was uh a drawing that we did as far as
[25:34] like the Christmas wish list of all park
[25:36] in there. So, what I added was a fourth
[25:40] drawing. The fourth drawing
[25:43] basically shows
[25:46] uh a parking lot that we derived that
[25:50] would allow us to buy out and make alley
[25:54] work with only three variances from the
[25:59] zoning. And the variances on the fourth
[26:03] uh page
[26:05] would be 1T off the property line on the
[26:08] north side, one foot off the property
[26:10] line on the west side, and to continue
[26:14] to back out on order street as it always
[26:17] has been. So, as far as the zoning issue
[26:22] and change of use, we're only asking for
[26:24] four things, those four items, um, to
[26:28] make it work, uh, with a total of
[26:32] [snorts]
[26:33] 39 parking spots, 18 of which we secured
[26:37] with New Wor Company at the carinal
[26:40] ground. So, at 39 spots, we exceed if we
[26:45] [clears throat] only are on the first
[26:46] floor of the building. And according
[26:48] what I read, 2700 square foot, 27 spots.
[26:54] So we exceed what we need there. But the
[26:58] picture that I have that I sent out to
[27:00] everybody, that would be if we could
[27:04] expand, come out on Alley, make it one
[27:07] through one way through our parking lot.
[27:10] Uh as you look down going uh south,
[27:13] you'll see two spots. that says u this
[27:16] is the one I sent out that says double
[27:18] mark because we have two employees there
[27:20] and then we always have a spot for
[27:22] either me and Joe and Lisa to pull in
[27:26] behind
[27:27] >> are you working on the first
[27:29] >> I'm going back on the first one first
[27:31] >> I'm back on the first
[27:35] so [clears throat] I went to the county
[27:38] I met with Jenn
[27:41] and prior to buying the property what I
[27:43] needed to know was whether the county
[27:46] would see it as it is right now, not
[27:50] look into past or whatever because
[27:53] there's like a gray area within the
[27:54] county on disturbance. All right, I got
[27:57] 5,000 square ft of disturbance, 5,000
[28:01] square ft impervious area is what I felt
[28:04] that we could have uh once we bought
[28:08] out. So, let me verify that and uh I
[28:12] have a letter from the county stating
[28:14] that they're taking it as it is right
[28:17] now. So, I'm not going to be right at
[28:20] 5,000 square ft, but I that is the rules
[28:22] of the land. It's in your town, it's in
[28:24] the county. So, non-pervious area, we
[28:29] have to look at everything we're doing.
[28:30] Our sidewalks, pavers, anything adds to
[28:33] that non-pervious area. So, when I put
[28:37] this together, [clears throat]
[28:40] prior to going south downside,
[28:43] I was somewhere under 4,000 square ft.
[28:46] And what I tried to make clear in the
[28:50] letter was that maybe we don't get all
[28:53] six spots down that side. Maybe we only
[28:55] get four, maybe we only get five. That
[28:58] is going to be determined by John Lman
[29:02] went out. We have good survey. Uh but
[29:05] John went out and he done an
[29:08] announcement on everything. Every
[29:09] everything that is nonpurpose right now
[29:12] and then we will design it. There's
[29:14] areas that are non various that were
[29:17] taken out which we can be credited for.
[29:20] There's some asphalt that I don't need
[29:22] here or there. Um, so that that's I
[29:26] don't know how everybody here I don't
[29:29] know how this goes from here to council
[29:32] and everything else, but let me be known
[29:36] the area of the rightway or I want I
[29:38] don't want to say right away where we're
[29:40] asking to come off of your lane. We're
[29:44] basically asking for a rightway and us
[29:47] pay that right away. that will be in our
[29:51] 5,000 ft uh our 5,000 ft uh square foot
[29:55] count. Uh but basically if the town of
[30:01] New Windsor would not allow us to do
[30:03] that, it's reflected in the next drawing
[30:07] which I go from 49 spots down to 39. So
[30:10] I have to have a turn around at the end
[30:13] and then I only get two park spots for
[30:16] the employees. Um, and and there's where
[30:20] I'm at, Lauren Party. But I only ask
[30:23] this council for three variances. One,
[30:27] the change of use. Uh, that's not really
[30:29] a variance, but it's a change of use.
[30:31] But the variances I'm asking for is one
[30:34] foot off the north line, one foot off
[30:37] the west line, and to continue
[30:40] connected,
[30:42] and you're not allowed to back out onto
[30:44] a street. So, we've always backed that
[30:47] on the street. So, I don't know whether
[30:49] that applies, but basically I'm truly
[30:51] asking for two variances to be one foot
[30:53] off the lines,
[30:56] but however this goes from here goes to
[30:59] the council. if we can get the park and come off gear and go around here. If
[31:06] there's any concerns with the area that
[31:10] you guys maintain as far as the um you
[31:13] know, your stock piles and your
[31:14] dumpsters and so forth. I mean, there's
[31:16] things we can do. There's things that we
[31:18] can do with fencing. There's a lot of
[31:20] things we can do to help out. But for us
[31:23] to go upstairs,
[31:26] we need this part. Right now, as I try
[31:29] to explain the letter, we can do that
[31:32] downstairs at 75 people, eight
[31:35] employees. You got what it rolls down
[31:36] to. Uh, and we'll do that and get that
[31:40] with that parking as far as sheet to go
[31:44] upstairs. We know through building from
[31:47] this side of town, we got an elevator.
[31:49] Well, I won't say an elevator. It's
[31:50] called ADA lift. The big difference
[31:53] moneywise at least. Uh, and then we need
[31:57] to sprinkle the entire building.
[31:59] We've looked at those budget numbers and
[32:02] they kind of can work into our budget,
[32:05] but we still have to do a flow test with
[32:07] Wayne to make sure that the flow is
[32:09] there on that 4-in main coming down that
[32:12] street. So, that would be the very last
[32:14] thing that would be done
[32:17] to achieve the utilization of the
[32:20] upstairs. and they would be more so like
[32:23] private rooms where somebody would rent
[32:25] it for a family of 12 people or 15
[32:27] people or whatever the room would
[32:29] accommodate.
[32:31] Um
[32:33] I um
[32:36] the other thing I put in the letter was
[32:38] if you go to the the next page after
[32:42] that
[32:44] if you look at the overview you'll see I
[32:47] point out it's a bad my prime run at me
[32:50] so I apologize. Uh but I point out where
[32:53] the
[32:55] fire company was working on the 18
[32:57] spots. I point out that there at the
[33:02] tennis courts, we can get, you know, 6 7
[33:05] 8 nine more spaces there. We would pay
[33:08] for the engineering and we would pay to
[33:11] go into the county to get those spots
[33:14] and consider that area as a municipal
[33:17] parking lot that anybody can park on. We
[33:20] would put signage up on the floor
[33:21] existing spots that no athlete house
[33:26] people use that so somebody would never
[33:28] cut somebody off as far as the play test
[33:32] on a Saturday afternoon if we were busy
[33:35] there. But you have that and then down
[33:37] below after meeting with uh Janet and
[33:41] Meer, I know that the county is in the
[33:45] process of I don't want to say a
[33:47] regional bond, but whatever you want to
[33:48] call it, an overall bond for Windsor
[33:51] that's down at the bottom there off to
[33:54] the left of Gear Lake. They're getting,
[33:57] according [clears throat] to Janet Meer,
[34:00] they're getting a new engineer on that
[34:03] and maybe that's three years out. Well,
[34:06] if that was 3 years out, it would allow
[34:09] us to maybe buy into that pond. So, they
[34:14] calculate what, you know, if the pond's
[34:16] a million dollars and there's a million
[34:18] cubic feet of nonous area, that's a
[34:21] dollar uh cubic foot or square foot,
[34:24] however they figure it. But we could buy
[34:26] into that pond and put parking down
[34:28] there on the lower portion of our
[34:30] property and or maybe put parking on
[34:33] your property. Okay. So, there's there's
[34:38] many ways of looking at it. Another
[34:40] thing we looked at, if you look at the
[34:41] last color picture,
[34:44] if you look at that little garage next
[34:46] to the salt deck, the garage set on our
[34:49] property, we build a road straight
[34:51] through into those tennis courts and
[34:53] make a loop all the way around in there
[34:55] if that would be of any use. All I'm
[34:57] saying, I guess, is there's things that
[34:59] we're willing to do uh to get to the end
[35:04] of the line as far as having enough
[35:07] parking. And if it takes parking and
[35:09] making municipal lots and stuff like
[35:11] that, we're willing to do that because
[35:13] we want something uh I thought for
[35:16] everybody here, but
[35:18] we we don't want a small thing here. We
[35:20] want something that's going to
[35:22] accommodate enough people where people
[35:25] doesn't have to walk any longer than
[35:26] they have to walk. As we're in there in
[35:29] the ladder, you know, we can paint all
[35:33] the way from our spot all the way down
[35:35] to the cargo grounds. That street's 24
[35:38] foot wide. We could pay a 4ft wide
[35:40] swipe. But if we had permission to run a
[35:43] golf cart, if we were doing really well
[35:44] and we just jockey some people down
[35:46] there, we could do that. I would never
[35:48] do that in Union Bridge at the flood
[35:51] zone. Always wanted to do that in Union
[35:53] Ridge, but I I did not want the
[35:55] liability across in 75,
[35:57] >> right?
[35:58] >> Uh that and we worked with the state to
[36:00] try to get a crosswalk there. There was
[36:02] no way I was ever going to get across.
[36:03] Everybody was complaining that, you
[36:05] know, get a crosswalk. There was no way
[36:07] the state was going to give us a
[36:08] crosswalk there. You had to go to the
[36:10] first intersection.
[36:12] >> So here,
[36:14] I don't know. I've only been down there
[36:15] 4 weeks. I don't see anybody but a guy
[36:17] that comes and inspects the uh the
[36:21] treatment plant down there once a day
[36:23] and then I see somebody every now and
[36:25] then do
[36:27] or something they call out. But I don't
[36:30] know the process, but I know there's a
[36:32] chicken and egg part of this. You know,
[36:34] I know that I need to submit a drawing
[36:36] to the county and that count that
[36:38] drawing comes back to you guys, but I
[36:41] really felt it's necessary to have the
[36:43] drawing that's going to suit you more
[36:45] than the county.
[36:46] >> Yeah, we are more important
[36:47] >> in this process. We are more important.
[36:49] >> You are the county is going to look at
[36:51] it from a fire aspect. Other than that,
[36:54] there's nothing really that they can say
[36:58] uh right or wrong to it. It's all pulls
[37:00] back to New Wor. So, it's more important
[37:03] that I have a concept here that I get
[37:06] John with RDF to draw that is right that
[37:08] when it gets submitted, we don't kick it
[37:11] around because I know it's going to be
[37:12] six, seven months getting through the C.
[37:14] We don't plan our until next September.
[37:16] But you put us now six or seven months
[37:19] before we can even start on our outside
[37:22] lots. Now you're now you're looking into
[37:24] May. Time just moves awful fast. I know
[37:27] the internal work we'll be ready to
[37:30] submit those drawings very soon from our
[37:33] architect and so forth. Uh you know
[37:36] that's a six week process. That's
[37:38] nothing. but to get uh to get what we
[37:42] need to spend that money. Let's just say
[37:45] that the town wasn't going to go along
[37:47] with anything. Well, then we're not
[37:49] going to spend the money in the building
[37:50] and make a restaurant. We'll keep it as
[37:52] a bed and breakfast and a cafe or just a
[37:55] whole second home for me and Beth and
[37:57] Joe.
[38:00] Um so big kitchen is a big kitchen. We
[38:04] can feed the time. Um, so that chicken
[38:07] and egg, I just don't know how to deal
[38:09] with it within New Wor that we have
[38:13] things right. And I fully feel that I
[38:17] understand that you guys are the ones,
[38:20] guys, ladies are the ones that approve
[38:23] those variances.
[38:25] But how does it work as far as someone
[38:28] looking for what we're asking to come in
[38:31] as a rightaway, not purchase the ground,
[38:34] but a rightaway off of gear? We already
[38:36] go over New Windsor property of 5 ft on
[38:40] the east side as we enter our parking
[38:42] spot. So there's not much difference in
[38:44] the concept. It's um it's the access.
[38:48] So, I'm I'm all ears for any help that
[38:53] you can give us to go in the right
[38:55] direction cuz you know we put this all
[38:57] in front of you what two months ago I
[39:00] guess but it's all worked out well.
[39:03] We're excited.
[39:05] Is there anything you got to say? You
[39:07] know, I think you cover [laughter] that.
[39:10] >> I'm good.
[39:12] >> She's got her magnolia. She's done.
[39:14] >> I have a question.
[39:16] >> Maybe I'll go off rack on that. She's
[39:18] not the magnolia [laughter]
[39:20] tree.
[39:21] >> That's what the magnolia trees sing.
[39:23] >> I know. I know.
[39:24] >> Magnolia trees.
[39:26] >> So there's there's so many ways to get
[39:28] parking. And if it wasn't a 5,000 square
[39:31] foot restriction and I mean that's the
[39:34] toughest restriction of any state any
[39:38] state.
[39:40] >> I mean it's
[39:40] >> that's for storm water management.
[39:42] That's right.
[39:42] >> Storm water management.
[39:43] >> And 5,000 square ft is so minute. Uh but
[39:48] I I have a letter from me stating that
[39:53] what we have there we build upon the way
[39:56] it is right there. They reviewed all the
[39:58] permits that the pierces pulled.
[40:01] Everything was done right. There's never
[40:03] been any problems. Therefore, because
[40:06] for me that day it it couldn't be gray.
[40:09] It had to be black or white. If it was
[40:11] white, we we just didn't go any further
[40:13] on the project. And no hard feelings. it
[40:15] just we move on. If it was black, then
[40:18] we knew we could move forward with the
[40:20] project
[40:22] and uh and take it for what it's worth
[40:25] as far as as we go along and what we can
[40:27] get as we go along. The second part of
[40:30] it was securing the 18 spots with uh the
[40:33] fire company. If we didn't do that, we
[40:35] couldn't help. So, you know, that we
[40:38] we've worked the lease out with them. It
[40:40] isn't a handshake. We've worked the
[40:42] lease out with them. We're paying for
[40:44] that usage. We're not getting it free,
[40:47] but we have something for three years.
[40:49] And no one knows three years from now.
[40:52] Maybe they'll open up things down below.
[40:54] But the house can only hold so many
[40:56] people. We figure 75 downstairs because
[41:00] it's a very laid-back atmosphere. We're
[41:02] looking for we're not looking for
[41:03] everybody to be back to back in chairs.
[41:05] This is going to be one dining room. The
[41:07] other rooms that have couches, arm
[41:09] chairs, u coffee tables, 70 upstairs,
[41:13] Joe, what do we say? 50 people maybe max
[41:16] >> max 50 people. So, we're only looking at
[41:18] a venue that holds 125. So, you say,
[41:21] okay, 49 spots, that's pretty good. But
[41:25] we we want to do [clears throat] summer
[41:28] things. I don't you whether it's Pimnico
[41:31] race and everybody wears big hats and
[41:33] dresses, whatever. I'm just throwing
[41:35] that out there. But we want big events
[41:38] and we know that we can ask permission
[41:40] maybe from the fire company to utilize
[41:42] their parking lot if they didn't have
[41:44] anything going on for that one day. But
[41:46] the more spots that we can get on site
[41:50] um the better the better we do and the
[41:53] more we can grow those events
[41:57] 150 I mean 125 is one thing plus your
[42:00] employees that's you know eight on
[42:02] downstairs you need another two to three
[42:04] upstairs so you're 11 uh so you got to
[42:07] count those in two so it's 53 additional
[42:10] but the more parking we can get the more
[42:13] successful I feel that we can be
[42:15] >> let me If I may, let me ask you a couple
[42:17] of questions to make sure I'm clear.
[42:19] >> This body can, as part of your site plan
[42:23] approval, which we're not really at yet,
[42:26] but we're semi,
[42:28] has the legal authority to to if they
[42:30] want to approve what is a tantamount to
[42:33] a variance by approving your site plan
[42:36] so that you're a foot off, 2 feet off,
[42:39] wherever you have to be, whichever
[42:40] lines. What this body does not have the
[42:43] ex the ability to do is to say
[42:48] standing alone,
[42:50] okay, you can come all the way through
[42:51] and come up gear lane.
[42:53] >> That's council.
[42:54] >> That's going to be the council.
[42:56] >> And we can you use some of the council's
[42:59] Earth Town's property for parking.
[43:02] That's going to be part of the council.
[43:04] >> So, we can do what we can do. What I
[43:09] what you might need to do and I
[43:12] apologize to you for not knowing this
[43:13] off top my head
[43:18] if
[43:20] the code authorizes it. I think it
[43:23] might. I know the county does and we
[43:25] copy a lot of the county stuff
[43:28] has provisions that say with formal
[43:32] agreement
[43:34] a development can use off-site parking
[43:38] you're gold
[43:40] you bring into the council you bring
[43:42] into this body this is the number of
[43:45] parking spaces we need to get some of
[43:47] them here some of them here some of them
[43:48] in the fire hall some of them on town
[43:51] property this group cannot agree to let
[43:54] you do that on town property. The
[43:56] electeds have to let you do that on town
[43:59] property. And that's why you've got this
[44:01] little weird funky thing. Appreciate you
[44:03] coming because so many people just show
[44:05] up and then get mad when nobody's heard
[44:07] of them. So everybody here is very aware
[44:09] of what it is you want to do,
[44:11] >> but they can do it all.
[44:13] >> Let's put it this way. If we take if we
[44:16] take the Ford plan, if we take the Ford
[44:18] plan,
[44:20] >> which one is that?
[44:21] >> The port plan.
[44:24] >> Oh, okay.
[44:25] >> Now, what you're telling me is the port
[44:27] plan, this body could approve the port
[44:30] plan because I'm not asking for any
[44:33] right away. I'm not asking for a year.
[44:35] I'm keeping everything on our site. And
[44:39] in our initial, and I don't have that
[44:41] piece of paper, but in our initial
[44:44] meetings, I found a stipulation in Carol
[44:46] County that if you're within 500 ft of
[44:49] municipal or contracted parking, there
[44:52] is a 5-22,
[44:54] whatever, that would relinquish the the
[44:58] fact that you would have to have if your
[45:01] body says I need 27 spots. Okay,
[45:06] >> that goes toward the count and I end up
[45:09] with 39.
[45:10] >> I don't think that's necessarily
[45:11] applicable in the town though. Just
[45:14] because it is a county law does not mean
[45:16] it's applicable in the town.
[45:18] >> Understood. Yeah, understood.
[45:19] >> So, there are plenty of county laws that
[45:21] are applicable in the town, but I don't
[45:24] think parking is one of them. down 5,000
[45:27] ft.
[45:28] >> When there isn't or
[45:31] >> No, no, I know where you're going with
[45:32] that. If we're silent, they win.
[45:36] >> Excuse me.
[45:36] >> If if our law doesn't have anything that
[45:39] addresses the issue
[45:40] >> and the county does.
[45:42] >> Um I know that they win, but you kind of
[45:45] you review it. And uh but but so that
[45:48] one stipulation there has got to go to
[45:50] the council no matter
[45:51] >> well the other what I was about to say
[45:53] was the fact that it let's just say
[45:57] let's say if it is not in the code now
[46:01] >> that does not mean that it cannot be put
[46:03] in the code.
[46:04] >> Understood.
[46:05] >> So and we wait it doesn't take all that
[46:07] long unless there's some major outcry
[46:10] about parking on water street which I I
[46:13] think is a little unlikely but you never
[46:15] know. Um,
[46:16] >> what do you mean parking or
[46:18] >> Well, not I mean I just Wall Street was
[46:19] the name that I saw. Parking downtown.
[46:22] Parking way down. People complain so
[46:24] much about, you know, we can't park on
[46:25] High Street. I have to walk, you know,
[46:27] like a half a block. Um, but
[46:29] >> No, you mean parking down.
[46:31] >> Yeah. No, parking where you are.
[46:33] Everywhere down there for your project.
[46:36] >> Okay.
[46:37] >> You need more parking.
[46:38] >> Yes.
[46:39] >> All right. But it's it it feels like
[46:42] it's easy enough for you to get the
[46:43] parking.
[46:44] >> Yes. with you know there's steps that
[46:46] have to be done. I don't think this
[46:48] group can do all of those steps. We can
[46:50] do some of those steps but not all of
[46:52] them. So if a zoning if a zoning require
[46:55] if the zoning law needs to be changed to
[46:58] allow offsite parking
[47:01] for your project
[47:02] >> it starts it starts here
[47:04] >> and gets approved by the council
[47:07] >> because you're making a new
[47:08] >> as as legislation.
[47:09] >> All right. Uh those all right. So those
[47:12] meetings when when I'm sorry [laughter]
[47:16] when did those meetings occur? What
[47:19] >> when do those meetings?
[47:20] >> Well, council meets the first Wednesday and the third Monday
[47:25] of every month.
[47:27] >> There's an agenda and they have to be
[47:29] notified in advance and know what's
[47:31] going on. I guess I guess what I guess
[47:35] what I need to know is do I tell John to
[47:40] stop what he's doing and not submit to
[47:42] the county which we already know it's
[47:45] going to be 6 months.
[47:46] >> I wouldn't I wouldn't take that route if
[47:48] I could avoid that route.
[47:49] >> All right. So,
[47:50] >> but we need to know what John Leman is
[47:52] sending to the county.
[47:54] >> Well, that's just it. that say either A
[47:55] or B in the sheet number three that got
[47:58] an email
[48:00] >> that was our Christmas list
[48:02] >> or the I don't want to say the what what
[48:08] the fourth page allows us to open and
[48:12] allows us in our feelings to serve 75
[48:16] people with age. All right, not go
[48:19] upstairs. Not spend all the money to go
[48:21] upstairs because um we just
[48:27] >> we won't have the amount of bargain
[48:30] parking here. So um the flip side of
[48:33] that though is if you submit with three
[48:36] page three
[48:38] and then you go through the various
[48:41] discussions and ascertain that you can
[48:44] get additional parking. You got to come
[48:46] back. You got to do an amended site
[48:48] plan. You've got to do more more things.
[48:51] You got to pay John Leman again. Um, I
[48:54] mean, not that John wouldn't be more
[48:56] than happy to take your money. Um,
[48:59] >> so if these issues can be resolved
[49:04] preliminarily, you're ahead of the game
[49:06] and then everybody knows what you're
[49:07] working with.
[49:10] >> You're saying if you submit if you
[49:12] submit [laughter] on page three,
[49:14] >> submit it.
[49:15] We love it because it,
[49:18] correct me if I'm wrong, but if I submit
[49:21] it, the county does not care whether I'm
[49:25] in your right away or not.
[49:26] >> No,
[49:27] >> it's you that care.
[49:28] >> Yeah, we care.
[49:29] >> All right. So, if you if if the council
[49:33] rejects that, okay, and they go back to
[49:37] plan four, because I'm not asking
[49:40] anything of the town other than one foot
[49:42] and one foot. I'm very I'm supposed to
[49:45] be
[49:46] No, I'm I'm I'm the next sheet. The next
[49:49] sheet. I don't ask anything of the town
[49:51] other than I never go on your property.
[49:55] All I do is I stay one foot where it's
[49:58] supposed to be 5 foot on two property
[50:00] lines and I continue to back out on the
[50:03] street that we always or someone always
[50:06] had. So for me, that's our slam dunk.
[50:10] I mean, that's that's that was enough
[50:12] for me that we talked.
[50:14] Um
[50:16] but I you know just in conversations and
[50:19] thought process I thought I'd lay this
[50:22] concept on something. I lose you know
[50:25] the more parking and this is the last
[50:27] thing I'll say about it.
[50:30] >> The the more parking we get and I wrote
[50:33] this in the letter. I might not take
[50:35] half the garage away. I might only take
[50:37] 12, 13 ft off for one parallel parking
[50:40] spot because the garage has so much
[50:43] potential going back and parking. Well,
[50:46] we dream of all these things we can do
[50:48] in the garage as you know antique shops
[50:51] this this all to go with the restaurant
[50:55] but then it needs additional market
[50:58] general market and that's one parking
[51:02] spot per 30 square ft.
[51:06] the plan and that's why I put the plan
[51:09] together the way it was at 49 spots. I
[51:12] think I get I get it all at 49 spots. Um
[51:17] so
[51:19] even losing two and keeping that
[51:21] building a little bit bigger. I mean I
[51:23] would tear up that building down. I'd
[51:25] tear the whole building down took it.
[51:27] Yeah. But the more we start looking at
[51:29] the garage, we're like in a Vessa's
[51:31] antique shop. You know, we look at this,
[51:33] we look at that. There's so many things
[51:35] that can be utilized there. Little
[51:36] coffee shop that's open hours before the
[51:40] athlete cuz I would tell you from my
[51:42] standpoint, we're thinking of Vic. We
[51:44] ain't think it's small here.
[51:46] >> That is your way.
[51:48] [clears throat]
[51:50] >> Well, there's a lot there's a lot of
[51:51] foot traffic around the house during the
[51:53] day that I wasn't aware of. I've always
[51:55] just trimming through town for 28 years
[51:57] of work.
[51:58] >> Yeah.
[51:58] >> But it's very nice to see people out
[52:00] walking dogs and pushing babies,
[52:02] strolling around. There's
[52:05] >> walking around here.
[52:06] >> More pedestrian traffic than vehicular
[52:09] traffic.
[52:10] >> A lot of pickle ball players.
[52:12] >> Oh, there's a lot of pickle ball
[52:14] players. Certainly.
[52:15] >> Very serious event over there.
[52:18] So for us, you know, we you know what we
[52:22] did was we went in and we cleaned up the
[52:25] outside decorated for fall and you know,
[52:30] >> so we're done till the spring. uh will
[52:33] be working inside, but our fine line
[52:37] where where I have a hard time drawing
[52:40] the fine line is you're you're not at to
[52:43] go in and start spending all this money
[52:46] on the inside if you're not going to get
[52:48] home with the 75 people. I mean, it it's
[52:52] just that simple because there's a lot
[52:54] of money going to get spent inside this
[52:55] building.
[52:55] >> Oh, yeah, man.
[52:58] >> I said what I had to say.
[53:01] So, I mean, Dave's on the council. I
[53:03] don't know what
[53:04] >> Okay, so when I received the the
[53:07] drawings, um I know that that most of
[53:10] you guys you you probably can't you
[53:12] know, what do you do? Is it is the town
[53:14] interested in letting there be a right
[53:17] of way there and parking along that
[53:19] side, right? Uh, in the past the town
[53:22] Gary and Wayne have pretty much not
[53:26] liked Gear Lane being an open road,
[53:29] right? They've talked about closing the
[53:31] gate even uh to the town citizens who
[53:34] want to bring their stuff in. You know,
[53:35] it's only open when when we're there,
[53:37] right? So, I called Gary U because I
[53:41] figured you guys might swivel your head
[53:42] and look at me. Hey, what's the town
[53:43] council thinking about that? and and um
[53:48] you know so as you know that garage up
[53:51] at the top where the rightway is that's
[53:52] our salt barn right so that's
[53:56] >> this drawing
[53:56] >> that's the that's the salt barn
[53:58] >> first one in here
[54:00] >> and um you know that needs to not be
[54:05] impeded right and so that rightway
[54:08] coming through there um there's not a
[54:11] lot of room there but it it certainly it certainly can work, right? So, we
[54:16] have those issues. Um, we have issues
[54:20] with the fact that we've been thinking
[54:24] about doing something down there at Gear
[54:26] Lane to redo that whole area. We've
[54:28] already spent some money to have um that
[54:32] laid out a little different, but but
[54:34] during that time, Gary and Wayne started
[54:36] looking at some additional properties,
[54:38] and so that kind of got put on hold.
[54:40] those additional properties may be
[54:42] outside the the the budget uh that that
[54:45] we have to spend on that. So I think
[54:47] there Gary's maybe swiveling a little
[54:50] bit now thinking that maybe we need to
[54:53] go back to thinking about relaying out
[54:56] that area down there. If we relay out
[54:59] that area down there, there's certainly
[55:01] potential to make this rightway area
[55:05] through their work and still keep the
[55:08] public works facility I don't want to
[55:11] say quarantined off, but you know what
[55:13] would happen? There's a lot of just
[55:15] gravel lot down there and if if Jerry's
[55:18] place Jerry Joe's place started really
[55:21] people could just go down there and park
[55:22] anywhere, right? So something would have
[55:25] to happen. and we'd have to have some
[55:27] kind of fences. We'd have to do some
[55:29] something that that all could happen,
[55:31] right? And and so I had that
[55:34] conversation with Gary and he was like,
[55:35] "Well, yes, we all that can happen. That
[55:39] is probably not a showstopper for this
[55:41] project. We can do something down there
[55:43] to make things work for for all of
[55:46] this." Um, so I I tried to do a
[55:49] preemptive on that with with the town
[55:51] council, but uh with with the town
[55:54] staff, but as as Michelle says, um you
[55:58] know, that decision, I'm only one voice
[56:00] on the on the town council, so the rest
[56:03] of the people would have to hear that.
[56:05] They're going to need to hear from from
[56:07] Gary and and Wayne as well to ensure
[56:11] that doing that kind of thing down there
[56:15] does not um mess up any future thoughts
[56:18] of what they're they're doing with that
[56:20] pro that property down there. um the
[56:24] other things that you know
[56:27] foot off the property line
[56:29] you know we can make that decision and I
[56:31] don't see that I personally don't see
[56:33] that as a big deal at all if we decide
[56:35] that having that as a municipal lot over
[56:37] there and doing some that's not a a big
[56:40] deal either the only area that I feel is
[56:44] a gray area is that cut through and that
[56:47] additional parking down the side and I
[56:50] think it would be nice maybe if we heard
[56:53] from Gary and and um I'll say the town
[56:57] staff to say that yes, they would
[57:00] consider uh doing that um as part of or
[57:06] reconfiguring the the whole gear lane
[57:09] facility down there that that would fit
[57:11] into the future plans. So
[57:13] >> I I have an idea
[57:16] speaking with what you're saying.
[57:19] Why not I go
[57:22] with John and go with the drawing? We we
[57:25] know the one foot isn't too much to ask
[57:28] for. All right. And I think you guys
[57:31] when you look at the code of Carol
[57:32] County and us having the 18, I think
[57:35] that that shouldn't be problematic. All
[57:37] right.
[57:38] >> The biggest problem is access to gear.
[57:41] >> Why do you not go through the drawing
[57:44] with sheet number four? The four sheet.
[57:47] Which one are you? What are you 20
[57:50] >> without the without the cut through?
[57:54] >> All right.
[57:54] >> This one where you have to turn around.
[57:56] >> Not the one with colors.
[57:57] >> I submit through the county this way.
[58:00] All right. And we go through the county.
[58:05] You're going to get it and let's hope it
[58:08] gets approved and it gets through the
[58:10] county to come back and go out on year.
[58:14] And this is just me speaking here. Let's
[58:16] go out on here and pick up those other
[58:19] margin spots [clears throat] down there.
[58:20] If I work that out in you guys, I don't
[58:24] think about the county has anything to
[58:25] do with that as long as I don't go over
[58:27] 5,000 miles.
[58:29] >> The county wouldn't. You'd probably need
[58:31] assuming you have an approved site plan
[58:32] by that point.
[58:34] >> I'm
[58:34] >> You might need to amend the site.
[58:36] >> Say I get my approved site plan. This
[58:38] page right here, the one that's not
[58:40] >> the black one. All right. That means you
[58:43] guys got to be the variance of one foot
[58:45] on the north, one foot on the west, and
[58:48] you got to accept the fact that we're
[58:50] going to park 18 spots at fire. I go to
[58:53] the [clears throat]
[58:55] he comes to you. We go through the
[58:56] process and at the same time you be
[59:00] talking to Gary. Let's let's think of
[59:02] what else because I had John do the
[59:04] complete of the tennis courts. All
[59:07] right, let's say
[59:09] here's where sticky with the county. And
[59:14] when I brought up the tennis courts with
[59:16] me and Janet,
[59:20] we can get those spots. We could even
[59:22] connect and be under 5,000 on that
[59:26] property. But I don't know where they
[59:29] will see that property in the stage like
[59:32] are we starting from beginning there or
[59:34] with everything cuz that's one big
[59:36] parcel with everything that has been
[59:40] done whether they would accept that. But
[59:42] all I'm getting at is we will have an
[59:45] approved drawing that opens us for
[59:47] business
[59:49] and then we're open for that. I'll put a
[59:52] drawing in front of you of the tennis
[59:54] courts something John draws up then the
[59:57] deal is only between you got you ladies
[1:00:02] and guys first
[1:00:04] council and I get that whole process but
[1:00:07] I see no reason the county has to be
[1:00:10] involved in anything other than I would
[1:00:13] go to Janet Demire with that drawing
[1:00:17] representing myself but you know it's
[1:00:20] kind of a gray area there. But I would
[1:00:22] say this is what I'd like to do to for a new Windsor. Is this permissible?
[1:00:27] Like out through the tennis courts.
[1:00:30] There's and and even over on your side,
[1:00:34] there's other options over here that
[1:00:38] stone is marched out so much to the
[1:00:39] left. If I paved another 12 ft instead
[1:00:42] of a rightway, we could literally
[1:00:44] parallel park down through there, but we
[1:00:46] wouldn't get near as many spots. And I
[1:00:49] know that if there is I I could even
[1:00:51] pave up to those dumpsters and put that
[1:00:53] as copper, you know, of of
[1:00:57] what you know, we're spending money to
[1:00:59] help us get parking in some way or
[1:01:01] another. But as far as fencing, if
[1:01:03] there's some type of fencing that can be
[1:01:05] done, signage, fencing, we understand
[1:01:09] that you guys wouldn't bear any cost on
[1:01:11] that. We would bear the cost, but we
[1:01:13] would be getting the parking. So, but I
[1:01:15] think the safe bet is go not safe, but
[1:01:18] to me go through with this drawing
[1:01:20] number four, let it roll through the
[1:01:22] county and then we work it out after the
[1:01:26] fact. Because in this drawing number
[1:01:29] three that you got email, that has
[1:01:31] nothing to do other than the right way
[1:01:35] out to the black top itself. And I take
[1:01:38] up that square footage on my property or
[1:01:40] on our property.
[1:01:42] You follow me? I don't think so.
[1:01:44] >> Like that 10 foot from our property line
[1:01:47] to gear I'm picking up in our square
[1:01:50] footage. I'm not like saying, "All
[1:01:52] right, well that 10 by 100 that is New
[1:01:55] Windsor. That's their non-pervious area.
[1:01:58] I'd be considering that in my
[1:02:00] non-pervious area." And I think I'm
[1:02:02] probably pretty close how far it came
[1:02:04] down. Once I was waiting for John cuz
[1:02:07] the original tote, the original uh
[1:02:11] survey did not pick up uh just various
[1:02:14] things out there that were non-pervious
[1:02:16] areas that I want to get credit for. But
[1:02:19] I know off of the original survey that configuration I'm talking about
[1:02:25] right now was right around right around
[1:02:29] 4,000 square ft. 5,000 to to burn up yet
[1:02:33] going down and doing what I was talking
[1:02:34] about. So that's I guess that's it's up
[1:02:38] to you guys how you want me to proceed.
[1:02:41] >> So So um Jerry, just let I'm not opposed
[1:02:44] to that plan if that if if that works,
[1:02:47] but uh I just want you to um make sure
[1:02:49] you understand the the the feelings that I have on on Gear Lane. So Gear
[1:02:56] Lane is a nonused road, right? It only
[1:02:59] leads back to to to us where we have our
[1:03:03] equipment and our buildings and nobody
[1:03:06] else back there, right? And we have a
[1:03:08] lot of money and a lot of equipments
[1:03:10] that we've stored back there. And um and
[1:03:14] it also has a gate on the end that that
[1:03:16] could be closed that I always advocate
[1:03:19] to keep open because the town residents
[1:03:21] take their their yard waste back there
[1:03:24] and can dump it. We don't we don't have
[1:03:26] Right. We don't have to to wait for um
[1:03:29] you know the trucks to come around once
[1:03:31] every uh two weeks to do that. It is
[1:03:34] locked sometimes when we do our bulk
[1:03:37] trash which we do twice a year. That
[1:03:39] rolls into another reason why we never
[1:03:42] like thought about having it a road all
[1:03:45] the way through people because the bulk
[1:03:48] trash when people hear there's some
[1:03:50] dumpsters and bulk stuff ends up in
[1:03:53] there, right? and and we pay dearly for
[1:03:56] it. Sometimes they come and they dump
[1:03:58] their bulk trash in our yard waste and
[1:04:00] when we take it to the county, we get
[1:04:01] hit with a big bill because it's not
[1:04:03] yard waste anymore and they got to move
[1:04:05] it over and we pay the tipping fees. So,
[1:04:07] it becomes an expense and that's why in
[1:04:10] the past at least Gary and Wayne have
[1:04:12] always been real hesitant about having
[1:04:15] that as a a through road or having it as
[1:04:18] a open all the time because when people
[1:04:20] do it. So my my concerns go along with
[1:04:25] that. I personally like to keep it open
[1:04:29] for the residents, not just because the
[1:04:31] residents work at the same time the
[1:04:34] public works and when it's closed,
[1:04:37] that's when they get home, right? So
[1:04:38] they can't really utilize it except on
[1:04:40] Saturday morning if it's if it was
[1:04:42] opened. So um I just feel that we need
[1:04:47] to to figure that out a little bit. um
[1:04:51] with the town staff that in the future
[1:04:55] at least if you go with your plan fine.
[1:04:57] In the future we can make that work. I'm
[1:04:59] not opposed to if we figure out a way to
[1:05:01] do something with our facility and it
[1:05:03] allows you to park in there. I
[1:05:04] personally would not have a have a
[1:05:06] problem with that. I don't know how I
[1:05:08] feel about connecting it into the into
[1:05:10] the um the tennis court area, you know,
[1:05:14] getting over there where now we have
[1:05:16] maybe car traffic sneaking through
[1:05:18] there. I don't know where they'd sneak
[1:05:19] it to, but trying to to go through that
[1:05:21] would be a whole another thought process
[1:05:23] I'd have to to think about. But
[1:05:25] >> the even the even the spots at the um
[1:05:30] even on that overview of the next page
[1:05:33] down I my mathematics says that I can
[1:05:37] get nine spaces there. And why they're attractive spaces is because
[1:05:44] the infrastructure coming in and center
[1:05:47] lane is already the the center width is
[1:05:49] already made. So you're only adding for
[1:05:52] every you know 200 square ft is 10 going
[1:05:57] 180 ft for a 20 by 9 spot. You're get
[1:06:01] the maximum out of those. Those could be
[1:06:04] with a sidewalk coming over, never
[1:06:07] connect or anything. And the the one
[1:06:11] attractive thing about coming out of
[1:06:12] here is just making it one way where
[1:06:15] everybody because everybody, I don't
[1:06:17] care who it's going to be, is going to
[1:06:19] come down looking for that close parking
[1:06:21] spot. There isn't going to be one there.
[1:06:23] They're going to turn around and going
[1:06:25] to go back out. I mean, that's life. I
[1:06:27] see that one zone. They go down that one
[1:06:30] side, come to the back right side of the
[1:06:31] building, turn around. They pray and
[1:06:34] hope for that one spot. But but
[1:06:37] >> it's never there.
[1:06:38] >> I'll do whatever.
[1:06:40] I'll make it work anyway. But it seems
[1:06:43] to me the most logical thing to do is
[1:06:47] have John draw it just like page four
[1:06:50] is. And he comes up what he'll say
[1:06:54] [clears throat] on the drawings, I'm
[1:06:55] disturbing x amount of square foot. and
[1:06:59] I'm creating X amount of nonverbs. I
[1:07:02] mean, that's going to be on the
[1:07:03] drawings. And at the end of the day, if
[1:07:06] coming down, number one is by not having
[1:07:09] a turn around, I automatically pick up
[1:07:12] one spot there. Um because I don't have
[1:07:16] to turn around anymore. And then as you guys weed, you know, weed through
[1:07:21] things, lease ways, I'll be approved for
[1:07:24] something to open, you know, and I'll
[1:07:27] know that we'll spend money on the
[1:07:29] inside because we know we're getting to
[1:07:32] the home stretch here. Maybe it isn't
[1:07:34] everything we want, but at least ways we
[1:07:37] don't know whether the water,
[1:07:39] [cough and clears throat] right? And I'm
[1:07:40] not we are not spending 20 grand on a
[1:07:43] pump to provide more pressure because
[1:07:46] you already got the lift, the ADA lift
[1:07:48] and you got the sprinkers. It's a lot of
[1:07:51] money to go upstairs and you ask
[1:07:53] yourself whether it's worth the 50
[1:07:55] people going up there. So um to me I get
[1:08:00] John to draw it like that. You will see
[1:08:03] it again. You'll see it officially.
[1:08:06] you guys would be I maybe will you work
[1:08:09] on the looking into the county as I mean
[1:08:12] not county but looking at giving the
[1:08:15] variances I mean you you'll be ready to
[1:08:18] give a variance possibly when this
[1:08:21] drawing comes in.
[1:08:22] >> Yeah. And that would be reflected on
[1:08:24] whatever John draws
[1:08:26] >> which is going to be this. Yeah. Right
[1:08:27] here. Yeah. which is going to be two.
[1:08:31] >> What you what you
[1:08:32] >> two plus one two easy one foot and one
[1:08:36] foot. The third one is recognizing we're
[1:08:39] creating your own new law that with you
[1:08:42] within 500 ft of municipal or uh paid
[1:08:47] contract parking
[1:08:50] that will because you look at
[1:08:52] Johansson's right now if you park over
[1:08:54] at Paradisio I guarantee it takes 10
[1:08:57] minutes to get from the Paradisio line
[1:08:59] >> crossing that street and getting to
[1:09:02] Johansson
[1:09:03] that's
[1:09:06] So, I don't know, but we can make it
[1:09:08] work with this and and and everything
[1:09:11] else is just great. But we bought it
[1:09:15] with the idea of at least getting this
[1:09:19] many parking spots. Have we not had the
[1:09:21] firewall? We have never bought and
[1:09:24] that's probably why nobody else has ever
[1:09:25] bought it because they couldn't figure
[1:09:26] out how they're going to get park.
[1:09:30] >> So, phase one is is this phase.
[1:09:34] >> I like that. phase one. You got it.
[1:09:36] >> And then whatever we can dream
[1:09:39] >> and in the next couple of months can
[1:09:42] >> Well, actually, you've already done
[1:09:44] phase one. You've got the agreement
[1:09:46] already with the fire department. But
[1:09:48] yes,
[1:09:50] I I think that's part of the message
[1:09:53] here is that it sounds like you can move
[1:09:56] forward with this to be able to get the
[1:09:59] place open to get start get the process
[1:10:01] rolling and then we can then
[1:10:03] mechanically work out over the next 6
[1:10:06] months to get the phase two for the
[1:10:08] park.
[1:10:09] >> Yeah. If if phase two, let's just say
[1:10:12] let's say let's say we're heading to
[1:10:15] March through the county. I heard the
[1:10:16] biggest slowdown in the county that's on
[1:10:18] the fire side. So everything else is
[1:10:21] just easy cuz it's coming back to you
[1:10:23] guys. It isn't like the countyy's trying
[1:10:25] to prove all the things they have to do
[1:10:27] when it's in the county. The burden is
[1:10:29] on you in New Windsor to do all the
[1:10:32] approving. They just have the fire guys
[1:10:35] got to look at it and I don't know. They
[1:10:37] look at ADA. I've got one more spot than
[1:10:40] what even is needed, but I wanted three
[1:10:42] ADA spots so that if we increased, I had
[1:10:47] more than enough ADA spots and I think
[1:10:49] we're we're good on that. So, we'll let
[1:10:52] John draw this thing up and I tell you
[1:10:55] when I get it, even though it goes to
[1:10:57] account, I don't know how long it takes
[1:10:59] before it gets kicked back.
[1:11:01] >> But as soon as I get it, I'll kick it
[1:11:03] right to you. You can compare to what I
[1:11:05] give you today because it'll be one and
[1:11:07] the same. The only thing I just don't,
[1:11:09] you know, I'll show all three parking
[1:11:11] spots at the garage because if I take
[1:11:14] two of them away, it is what it is at
[1:11:17] the time that I take two of them away.
[1:11:19] You still have 37 spots and your law
[1:11:24] says one for every 100 square ft and
[1:11:28] we're about 2700 square ft of usable
[1:11:31] space. if that rule applies to your book
[1:11:34] in your code. If you go into Carol
[1:11:36] County and look at the way they look at
[1:11:39] parking andor you go to Westminster,
[1:11:41] Carol County is more stringent than
[1:11:43] Westminster.
[1:11:45] is less stringent and you
[1:11:47] and Westminster if you do the math is
[1:11:49] about one and the same.
[1:11:52] >> You just go about it you go about it in
[1:11:54] a different way.
[1:11:58] Wouldn't you want to put a note on here
[1:12:00] or have John put a note on here that you
[1:12:03] do have an agreement in place with the
[1:12:05] fire hall for the additional?
[1:12:07] >> You know, I can do that. That's a good
[1:12:09] idea. And I Yeah, if you guys want that
[1:12:11] letter, have I ever sub that letter to
[1:12:13] you guys?
[1:12:15] >> I will forward it. I'll forward it and
[1:12:17] you all forward in your J. All right.
[1:12:20] >> That's a good idea. just having the
[1:12:21] general notes. Just put that on there.
[1:12:23] >> Yeah.
[1:12:27] Cuz when I was in the talk to me,
[1:12:30] you know, I I knew we were at about
[1:12:33] 4,000 square ft. And that's the number
[1:12:35] we were talking
[1:12:37] >> and then the more I looked at maybe
[1:12:39] trying to go down the side, I might have
[1:12:42] not said 5,000 at the time, but the rule
[1:12:44] is 5,000 square ft. And if you don't
[1:12:46] cover 5,000 square, I mean, Jee and I
[1:12:48] are looking at everything we do on the
[1:12:50] outside as far as right down to a
[1:12:52] sidewalk. It's it's it's literally we're
[1:12:54] looking at we know that we when we do
[1:12:58] our areas for outside, they'll all be
[1:13:00] ground decks because barn set decks are
[1:13:03] allowed and not count. So everything
[1:13:06] where we put tables and all that where
[1:13:09] the pavers would look nice and fit in
[1:13:12] with the building, we won't do that.
[1:13:14] We'll build at grade decks because they
[1:13:16] don't count toward the the non-burnous
[1:13:19] area.
[1:13:22] It's tough, I tell you. 500 ft is tough.
[1:13:26] >> Truly is.
[1:13:28] >> And knowing that there knowing my you
[1:13:32] better not be 5,0001.
[1:13:34] [laughter]
[1:13:36] >> Yeah, I know.
[1:13:39] [laughter]
[1:13:40] >> I know. Well, John, uh, in the interest
[1:13:43] of what John comes up with, uh,
[1:13:48] we digitized it out in my office, so
[1:13:50] we're we're good. We're good. I'll put
[1:13:54] your mic back.
[1:14:00] » Maybe I'll just
[1:14:04] say, "Turn that."
[1:14:05] >> So, I will send everyone that. I mean,
[1:14:08] I'll send it to Dave.
[1:14:11] or whoever I started the Jane, you guys
[1:14:13] have a good internal system. I'll get it
[1:14:15] to somebody and then um you'll have
[1:14:20] that.
[1:14:20] >> Make sure it gets the my name and then
[1:14:23] I'll make sure everybody gets it.
[1:14:25] >> You are I got you. Um and I will just in
[1:14:29] that same email I'll go back put this
[1:14:33] one picture here with us because that's
[1:14:36] the one that we're thinking about
[1:14:38] working with. Okay. Should I do do we
[1:14:42] need to
[1:14:44] like make a motion or something on the
[1:14:46] one foot variance before you put it on a
[1:14:49] >> I I you got nothing to to rule on until
[1:14:53] you get the the actual plan from John.
[1:14:55] Now he's going to do these on like myar
[1:14:57] size, right?
[1:14:58] >> Yeah.
[1:14:59] So
[1:15:01] [laughter]
[1:15:03] a napkin.
[1:15:04] >> I love them. They're very attractive.
[1:15:06] >> Something that big, you might find
[1:15:07] something wrong with it.
[1:15:10] Point being, if if it's going to be on
[1:15:13] big, everybody needs to have a big.
[1:15:16] >> Yeah, you need copies.
[1:15:18] >> Yeah, the big ones.
[1:15:19] >> That cost a lot of money.
[1:15:20] >> I know it will. That's why I'm
[1:15:22] [laughter] mentioning it. Yeah.
[1:15:24] >> So, I can tell
[1:15:25] >> less parking spot than you.
[1:15:27] >> Really?
[1:15:28] >> Yeah. I And you tell me how many I need.
[1:15:32] >> Seven of us, you may
[1:15:36] work for you, don't
[1:15:37] >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's big enough. Yeah.
[1:15:38] No, we don't need the kind of thing that
[1:15:39] you like like a full subdivision
[1:15:42] platform.
[1:15:43] >> Any scale?
[1:15:44] >> Oh, yeah. That that's that's big enough.
[1:15:47] >> That probably hits a 40 scale. So, it'
[1:15:49] be easier to scale and easier to see.
[1:15:54] >> The only thing I missed if I could ask
[1:15:56] the dates the council has their
[1:15:58] meetings.
[1:15:58] >> Oh, first first Wednesday.
[1:16:00] >> First Wednesday. Okay.
[1:16:01] >> Third Monday.
[1:16:03] >> Because we're not even a topic to the
[1:16:05] council at this point. Correct. So we
[1:16:08] >> not officially you're not on their
[1:16:10] agenda or anything.
[1:16:12] [snorts]
[1:16:13] >> I think you might be they might be aware
[1:16:15] of you but you're not on the
[1:16:19] >> that's on the agenda it
[1:16:21] >> and if you if you if you want to come
[1:16:24] back and talk to them you want to
[1:16:26] request to be put on the agenda at least
[1:16:29] a week in advance.
[1:16:30] >> Let's get John to get the real drawing.
[1:16:33] >> Everybody have it before he even goes to
[1:16:35] the gallery. All right. and and it'll be
[1:16:38] a nice clear draw. And then we just we go that route. Um because I don't
[1:16:44] think it's going to take much to get a
[1:16:46] warm fuzzy feeling that we're going to
[1:16:48] at least wait to get this parking lot
[1:16:49] configured the way it is
[1:16:52] to spend the money on the inside place
[1:16:55] as far as where whether we go upstairs.
[1:16:58] >> That that'll be the key part. Yeah. The
[1:17:01] only thing we might do is even if we
[1:17:02] don't have the flow, we talked about I
[1:17:05] talked to Tom Harris about going ahead
[1:17:06] and put the sprinkers in the house. The
[1:17:09] elevators I mean I don't like say
[1:17:10] elevator call the lift. The lift is easy
[1:17:14] to do like over the carnival period of
[1:17:16] time like the following year you know 7
[1:17:19] days is enough time to do that. The
[1:17:22] sprinklers it's a mess. So, we might
[1:17:24] would do the sprinklers and just not
[1:17:26] even uh turn like have them functional
[1:17:30] cuz the one thing that I learned that
[1:17:32] day, Joe and I learned I thought well
[1:17:34] have sprinkers kind of nice just in case
[1:17:36] you do have a fire. They have no bearing
[1:17:39] on a commercial building of saving the
[1:17:42] house. All they do is save people. The
[1:17:45] house will burn and I wasn't aware of
[1:17:48] that.
[1:17:50] >> Yeah, they don't run that long. They
[1:17:52] just they just get started and get folks
[1:17:54] out,
[1:17:55] >> right?
[1:17:56] >> Yeah. So, um but at least ways everybody
[1:17:59] knows, you know, we're farther than
[1:18:01] where we were last time, but we're on
[1:18:03] the same Nothing has deflected from the
[1:18:07] first time we came in here. Our plans
[1:18:09] are the same. Nothing's really changed.
[1:18:12] Um and my original drawings, I said to
[1:18:15] all of you, almost look identical to
[1:18:17] page number.
[1:18:18] >> These are just a typical bumps in the
[1:18:20] road. Oh yeah, good work.
[1:18:23] >> Yeah, I'm with the
[1:18:28] All right. Well, we'll let you guys get
[1:18:29] on to your other agenda.
[1:18:31] >> Thank you.
[1:18:33] >> I give you that.
[1:18:34] >> You moving quicker than me.
[1:18:36] >> I got Thank you very much.
[1:18:43] [laughter]
[1:18:45] >> Sure. In case you want to look at it
[1:18:47] later.
[1:18:48] >> It's a pretty house.
[1:18:50] The more we're in it,
[1:18:52] >> the more we're in that house,
[1:18:56] I can't I mean, when Beth and I walked
[1:18:57] in the first time, we fell in love with
[1:18:59] the house, but the more we're in it, and
[1:19:02] the cool thing is the money we're
[1:19:04] spending more so is in the cafe
[1:19:06] >> to make the cafe look old and not
[1:19:08] drywall like this room. And that's where
[1:19:11] the most money be
[1:19:13] sells itself.
[1:19:15] >> I mean, we got emergency exits. We got
[1:19:17] to put HABC and everything. But that
[1:19:20] house,
[1:19:22] anytime anybody wants a tour, just
[1:19:25] >> I was in that house. [laughter]
[1:19:28] >> Oh, wow. I was never in it until Sam.
[1:19:31] Well,
[1:19:31] >> and he did. They did a beautiful job.
[1:19:33] >> We We had the uh Carol County Historical
[1:19:36] Society had a decorator showhouse.
[1:19:39] >> Oh, yeah. I remember they used to do
[1:19:40] that.
[1:19:43] » The paintings on the right. the my
[1:19:45] paintings. Well, you know, the marbling
[1:19:48] on the on the fireplace is still there,
[1:19:50] but my paintings are gone.
[1:19:52] [clears throat]
[1:19:55] » Let me out across to Kevin. There's a
[1:19:57] piece of paper on your desk, and you
[1:19:58] know what it is. Your email kept
[1:20:02] bouncing back to me. So, it's just a
[1:20:04] little memo from me about some some
[1:20:07] minor things on the plan. So, don't feel
[1:20:09] put out that you didn't get it. Uh, but
[1:20:11] I tried and I I don't know. I sent it to
[1:20:14] the address that I had on the same list.
[1:20:17] >> You have me at a new Windsor. I don't
[1:20:18] have a new Windsor address.
[1:20:19] >> Oh, well that explains it
[1:20:22] >> eventually.
[1:20:23] >> Okay.
[1:20:23] >> Just But that's what it is. Uh
[1:20:25] >> cuz if you show it to Glenn, he'll say,
[1:20:27] "I don't have that."
[1:20:30] » I'm special.
[1:20:38] » Any updates, Dave?
[1:20:39] >> Yeah, just a couple real quick. Um the
[1:20:42] town is working with our engineering
[1:20:43] contract G contractor GMBB to evaluate
[1:20:47] and understand the MDE scoring of the
[1:20:50] town's grant ranking for the ENR upgrade
[1:20:54] of the wastewater treatment system. So
[1:20:55] you know we put in a a grant request uh
[1:20:58] with G uh with GMBB for the ENR and it
[1:21:02] was rated and graded and we didn't come
[1:21:05] back too well on that. Um so we want to
[1:21:08] ensure we are more in a more competitive
[1:21:12] uh state for the next round. The next
[1:21:14] round I think is January time frame that
[1:21:16] we'll be submitting another grant. Um
[1:21:18] where we're trying to figure out exactly
[1:21:20] why we scored uh low in some areas and a
[1:21:24] lot of it has to do with some densities
[1:21:26] and and things like that that uh we're working through now. Um also next
[1:21:32] door the 211 High Street property the
[1:21:34] redevelopment status. Um, wanted to
[1:21:36] bring you guys all up to date. I don't
[1:21:38] know if you you noticed, uh, the
[1:21:40] interior demo has been completed. The
[1:21:42] place is gutted. Uh, down to the brick
[1:21:45] walls on the inside. Um, uh, there's
[1:21:48] still some drywall or some some plaster
[1:21:52] upstairs on the brick, but the first
[1:21:54] floor is is totally totally gutted. Um,
[1:21:58] they the contractor uh, Urban Urbana
[1:22:01] Multi-ervices did a phenomenal job. They
[1:22:04] provided the town staff with um weekly
[1:22:07] updates and gave them status reports and
[1:22:10] told them exactly what was going on
[1:22:12] every step of the way. They cleaned that
[1:22:13] thing. It it's it's really nice. Um
[1:22:18] uh there was I think two change orders
[1:22:20] coming in. Uh there was one support beam
[1:22:23] on the second floor that's sagging, has
[1:22:25] a significant crack. So um we're waiting
[1:22:28] for that to come in and we're going to
[1:22:30] get that fixed before we do the roof. Um
[1:22:33] the roof is supposed to start here in
[1:22:34] mid-occtober. So we're trying to get
[1:22:37] that that uh support beam fixed before
[1:22:40] they come and do the roof. So the roof
[1:22:42] is scheduled to be done. Um the exterior
[1:22:45] brick masonry restoration has been
[1:22:47] awarded. Um uh at the beginning of the month here, so they were given the
[1:22:53] notice to proceed on the 3. Um I saw a
[1:22:56] guy out there today looking around, so I
[1:22:58] don't know if they're they're starting
[1:22:59] to do some things or not. Um the
[1:23:01] exterior wood inspection and
[1:23:04] restoration, we awarded that uh on the
[1:23:07] 21st and they got their notice to
[1:23:09] proceed on the 22nd as well. All these
[1:23:12] things that we've done so far have been
[1:23:14] funded from that first grant we got that
[1:23:17] was $250,000
[1:23:19] and we have about $129,000
[1:23:23] remaining give or take uh depending what
[1:23:25] these these couple um little um
[1:23:28] additional things we have to do get
[1:23:30] done. Uh we're still working on another
[1:23:32] grant to help us um finish all this
[1:23:35] stuff off, but so far things are are
[1:23:38] going very well and uh we're we're quite
[1:23:42] happy with the the progress being made.
[1:23:44] >> It's like it's not really any money from
[1:23:46] the town itself from that grant.
[1:23:48] >> It's all been so far from the grant. Um
[1:23:50] if we get we we put in um a grant two
[1:23:54] months ago, a month ago I guess we
[1:23:57] submitted it um to cover the rest of
[1:24:01] reneoing, you know, build building out
[1:24:03] the apartments, two part two apartments,
[1:24:06] two two-bedroom apartments, kitchen,
[1:24:09] bathrooms. Um, and I think they pushed
[1:24:13] back when they're awarding it till the
[1:24:16] end of the year. So, we probably won't
[1:24:18] know
[1:24:20] till the end of the year whether we get
[1:24:22] that money, but um,
[1:24:26] >> so far so good. Hope they find any uh
[1:24:29] artifacts or anything in demolition like
[1:24:31] in the walls or anything?
[1:24:32] >> I haven't heard they they did not
[1:24:34] necessarily find anything that not that I was aware of. I was hoping, you
[1:24:38] know, they maybe find some old beer cans
[1:24:40] or something in there for my collection,
[1:24:41] but it didn't happen. [laughter]
[1:24:43] >> Nothing came my way.
[1:24:49] » That's it.
[1:24:49] >> Thanks, Dave. Uh, two quick items. One
[1:24:52] is
[1:24:54] shirts.
[1:24:57] Did everybody pick up their shirt?
[1:24:59] >> Mhm.
[1:24:59] >> Thank you.
[1:25:00] >> Feel free to wear it to our meetings or
[1:25:03] any of events that we have around town.
[1:25:06] um like new ones or the music on the
[1:25:08] main if you're there and you can wear
[1:25:10] your shirt. Um unless it's cold then you
[1:25:14] may want but looks like good weather for
[1:25:16] this weekend. And um also
[1:25:20] a minor note but the uh that close
[1:25:22] session we had in early August um and it
[1:25:25] was actually on the topic we anyway that
[1:25:28] closed session the um they omitted to uh pay us for that. So that will come
[1:25:34] out in the next check. So you'll get
[1:25:37] paid for this meeting and that session.
[1:25:40] Alrighty.
[1:25:42] I'm gonna slide over next to Rebecca and
[1:25:45] Michelle so I can get the screen.
[1:25:49] [cough]
[1:26:02] While Mark's setting up, do we need to
[1:26:04] do something
[1:26:06] about looking for that if we have
[1:26:09] provisions in our code for the
[1:26:12] offsite parking?
[1:26:14] >> We do, which means I will.
[1:26:16] >> You will.
[1:26:16] >> You I mean, you're a good reader of the
[1:26:18] code. But actually, I've got it written
[1:26:20] down here with stars.
[1:26:22] >> Okay. Cuz I tried real quick to look up
[1:26:24] that section and I I
[1:26:26] >> Yeah, I intended to try and get to that,
[1:26:28] but today kind of got away from me.
[1:26:30] >> Okay. All right. Before
[1:26:33] we leave that, I want to see
[1:26:35] specifically what sections of the code
[1:26:38] are commission that we don't get copy
[1:26:42] for everybody go through. I don't
[1:26:46] >> I don't think I understand your
[1:26:47] question.
[1:26:47] >> There's a specific section that we a
[1:26:50] portion of the code that we
[1:26:54] >> Yeah, it's like
[1:26:56] >> we don't go through the whole thing. No,
[1:26:58] but in so far as if you look up planning
[1:27:00] commission, it's like three sections. It
[1:27:02] says how many of you there are and and
[1:27:04] that that's all that is specific.
[1:27:05] >> But there are sections that we have
[1:27:08] let's say like 210 or something like
[1:27:10] that.
[1:27:10] >> A lot of subdivision regulations and
[1:27:13] development regulations
[1:27:14] >> or maybe you could tell
[1:27:15] >> go go through that. But it if you have
[1:27:19] trouble sleeping, you might want to take
[1:27:21] that home and read it. a big one that
[1:27:25] can't. What do I have?
[1:27:27] >> I mean, there's a lot of things.
[1:27:29] >> Why would I have
[1:27:30] >> potentially run through the planning
[1:27:32] commission?
[1:27:33] >> Um,
[1:27:34] >> how's that?
[1:27:34] >> Do I do more than hit the button?
[1:27:42] » Those are spares. Oh, those are yours.
[1:27:44] Oh, those
[1:27:47] that was just a spare.
[1:27:48] >> Did you have one?
[1:27:49] >> Yeah.
[1:27:51] Oh,
[1:27:53] here's your right.
[1:27:56] >> Can you write on there? Was in
[1:27:57] attendance or something so she knows he
[1:27:59] was here.
[1:28:10] » Oh, that's what I'm Looks like it was
[1:28:13] fun.
[1:28:15] Yeah.
[1:28:19] Just quick.
[1:28:26] » Sailing. It's a dangerous sport.
[1:28:28] >> Well, that's cuz Yeah, that's what
[1:28:29] happens when you have all that money
[1:28:30] that you can have sailboats.
[1:28:33] >> It's an old sailboat.
[1:28:34] >> This is worth more than
[1:28:36] >> So, there you go. It works out.
[1:28:38] [laughter]
[1:28:41] » Well, not happy.
[1:28:43] I'm sure it could have been worse.
[1:28:45] >> Always.
[1:28:46] >> Well, I mean, there wasn't any pain or
[1:28:48] anything. It just happened.
[1:28:50] >> You walked it
[1:28:52] >> kind of. Yeah. Lost a hand and was
[1:28:54] trying to
[1:28:57] >> No, I was on a sailboat once. Made me
[1:28:59] nervous. That was enough.
[1:29:01] >> It's my happy place. Of course, we
[1:29:03] didn't go anywhere. Not this weekend. It
[1:29:05] was pretty nasty.
[1:29:05] >> Well, now if I didn't have to go
[1:29:06] anywhere, that might not be so bad, you
[1:29:08] know. actually was that was we were
[1:29:10] leaning on.
[1:29:12] >> Yeah. Know we weren't we was it was
[1:29:14] blowing the wind was moving the boat cuz
[1:29:16] it was so windy this weekend.
[1:29:17] >> Oh yeah.
[1:29:19] >> Yeah. And the tide was up. It was a lot
[1:29:22] of fun.
[1:29:26] » I know. I had to bring the little piece
[1:29:28] to
[1:29:30] the Is that something will have to
[1:29:33] >> No. If it's part of a site plan,
[1:29:36] >> okay,
[1:29:36] >> you you guys can do it. If they were
[1:29:38] just coming in and saying, "I want to
[1:29:40] put part of the building up unrelated to
[1:29:43] a site plan or any commission action,"
[1:29:45] then they'd go to the DCA.
[1:30:14] 18 pages.
[1:30:17] That's not too bad. Only 18 pages. And
[1:30:20] are we doing maps, too, or are we
[1:30:22] thinking they're okay?
[1:30:25] See, I'm not I need help on the maps. I
[1:30:28] got to know what's not.
[1:30:30] >> Yeah, exactly. That's going to be a seal
[1:30:32] stamp approved.
[1:30:37] » Signal.
[1:30:39] Read the directions again.
[1:30:44] » Handle one foot. Rub your belly. Pet
[1:30:46] your head.
[1:30:48] [laughter]
[1:30:53] Uhoh. There was more to it. You didn't
[1:30:55] tell me that.
[1:31:12] Please
[1:31:15] [snorts]
[1:31:16] still.
[1:31:17] >> Oh, you're still
[1:31:29] cable.
[1:31:32] There you go.
[1:31:47] » It wasn't the right remote.
[1:31:49] >> It's the right remote, but
[1:31:53] This is always This is the same one
[1:31:55] that's always here.
[1:32:07] » Is there anything though?
[1:32:09] >> Just an extension cord.
[1:32:18] Yeah, I see.
[1:32:22] » Yeah, usually.
[1:32:31] » Can I get something for you?
[1:32:33] >> Oh, well,
[1:32:35] she's lucky.
[1:32:36] >> Yeah, I have a cord in there. I'm going
[1:32:40] to run back here.
[1:32:45] This is very This go directly into
[1:32:55] two.
[1:33:09] [snorts]
[1:33:14] I guess it
[1:33:16] Is that it?
[1:33:17] >> I think that's I don't know where
[1:33:19] >> it reaches.
[1:33:23] You may have found it. Mark,
[1:33:25] >> it can only blow up something. Don't
[1:33:26] worry about it. It's his computer.
[1:33:29] >> Which way do you think it'll go?
[1:33:31] >> To the plug inside. Don't worry.
[1:33:33] >> Fine. Make sure it wasn't going to blow
[1:33:34] up in this direction.
[1:33:36] >> Throw the plug inside. You'll be okay.
[1:33:38] >> Why are we have to do that?
[1:33:42] How many years is it going to be before
[1:33:44] we figure this out?
[1:33:47] >> Why why different than normal?
[1:33:49] >> So I don't even I don't pretend to
[1:33:51] participate in the discussion.
[1:33:53] >> There wasn't any uh Ethernet cord there.
[1:33:57] >> He usually connects into there's always
[1:33:59] one just kind of hanging there.
[1:34:02] >> Yeah, he he stuck something in around
[1:34:04] the side, but I think it's like a like
[1:34:06] one of those
[1:34:07] >> flashy kind of things.
[1:34:10] Yeah.
[1:34:10] >> Yeah. Didn't we just don't we we don't
[1:34:12] connect to Bluetooth or
[1:34:14] >> Yeah.
[1:34:17] >> It's not like a Bluetooth that's not
[1:34:18] Bluetooth for us to connect to. It has
[1:34:20] to be plugged in.
[1:34:24] » Uh
[1:34:26] years ago when Doris and Sam
[1:34:28] >> I can't remember when they had
[1:34:31] >> I don't know. They had they had an urban
[1:34:32] house.
[1:34:36] It was just I was just down in the lower
[1:34:39] levels.
[1:34:39] >> Yeah,
[1:34:42] >> it was it was wonderful. I remember
[1:34:44] after they opened it up, they they
[1:34:46] invited the staff people.
[1:34:47] >> Did you have an Ethernet port?
[1:34:50] >> No, [clears throat] we don't use an
[1:34:51] Ethernet.
[1:34:52] >> Okay. Then you're just looking for
[1:34:53] Bluetooth.
[1:34:54] >> Yeah, I'm going to look.
[1:34:57] >> Let's see if that go
[1:35:01] My goodness, this thing is
[1:35:03] >> Yeah.
[1:35:05] They they don't I have never been able
[1:35:07] to adjust it properly.
[1:35:10] >> Before did you plug in like an Ethernet
[1:35:12] cable?
[1:35:13] >> You're supposed to find LG web OS TV.
[1:35:17] >> Yeah, probably Bluetooth
[1:35:19] >> on your Bluetooth.
[1:35:20] >> Okay, that's what it says.
[1:35:25] I saw a cord hanging there.
[1:35:29] >> Yeah. What's a
[1:35:31] kind of click on give them permission?
[1:35:35] It should be.
[1:35:37] >> Yeah. LG web.
[1:35:43] » Okay. It says actually says this is
[1:35:45] connected. Okay.
[1:35:53] » Okay. The home button
[1:35:57] says home.
[1:36:00] Oh, there we go. Someone says plug in.
[1:36:02] See if something happened with that.
[1:36:03] There we go.
[1:36:05] >> There the PC. It's chat. I guess this is
[1:36:09] okay.
[1:36:12] » That's HDMI, but it's not HDMI.
[1:36:17] >> Let's see. Let's see what happens.
[1:36:21] >> Always would come up and ask for
[1:36:22] permission
[1:36:24] on the TV.
[1:36:47] G web
[1:36:48] >> that's on here
[1:36:52] » not connected. Let's give this a shot.
[1:36:55] Yeah, you won't expect that you left.
[1:36:59] See if it comes up or something.
[1:37:06] » I got three LG webs. I clicked on each
[1:37:10] of them.
[1:37:11] >> Bluetooth playback.
[1:37:17] » Did you select it?
[1:37:19] >> Yeah.
[1:37:19] >> And did it let you connect?
[1:37:20] >> It says not connected.
[1:37:37] Oh, here we go. PC
[1:37:42] says HDMI
[1:37:46] come up like ask for permission to
[1:37:49] connect. Yeah,
[1:37:52] I see. It's not the LG Thin Q. Is that
[1:37:56] an LG Thin Q?
[1:37:59] >> Your computer.
[1:38:01] >> Let's see here.
[1:38:02] >> What kind?
[1:38:05] >> Is it a MacBook? It's Lenovo.
[1:38:07] >> Lenovo.
[1:38:09] >> So, that's not a thin Q, is it? That's
[1:38:18] » zero
[1:38:21] thing. We might be open by the time we
[1:38:24] might go down to celebrate finish.
[1:38:30] [laughter]
[1:38:30] >> Yeah, you're right. We did this problem
[1:38:31] last time. I don't know. I wasn't part
[1:38:34] of the solution.
[1:38:37] See if we can do something over here.
[1:38:59] Well,
[1:39:01] we just have to do it the oldfashioned
[1:39:03] way.
[1:39:07] This one devices.
[1:39:15] » I'm giving up. I can have buttons, but
[1:39:18] I'm not finding anything that says
[1:39:20] Bluetooth TV or [cough]
[1:39:24] them Ravens.
[1:39:26] [laughter]
[1:39:28] I recorded the game until I could watch
[1:39:31] it. And my wife knew the whole time he
[1:39:34] wanted just was not. And she says,
[1:39:35] "Why?" I'm like, why aren't you paying
[1:39:36] attention? I don't understand why you're
[1:39:38] not excited. I'm
[1:39:38] >> not seeing anything coming up. Are you
[1:39:40] connected?
[1:39:41] >> I'm glad they won. Yes. They didn't
[1:39:43] neess deserve to win, but I'm glad they
[1:39:45] won.
[1:39:45] >> Yeah.
[1:39:47] >> So, [clears throat]
[1:39:50] 10 hour fighter [laughter]
[1:39:54] only. Imagine how ugly that was for the
[1:39:56] Dallas Cowboys.
[1:39:59] [sighs and gasps]
[1:40:02] There you go.
[1:40:06] What is that?
[1:40:08] >> I just want the connection guide.
[1:40:22] [sighs]
[1:40:32] I don't see anything else on here.
[1:40:38] » You always just come up there where
[1:40:41] >> Yeah.
[1:40:41] >> Longer where it says
[1:40:56] Okay.
[1:41:12] Well,
[1:41:16] at least we'll all have the same paper
[1:41:18] we can just go through. Wonderful.
[1:41:56] Does settings have anything under
[1:41:59] display?
[1:42:04] » The TV doesn't
[1:42:05] >> Well, I was going to say go to the
[1:42:06] settings button.
[1:42:08] >> I just Googled it. Said connect to a
[1:42:10] wireless display.
[1:42:13] Go to your s settings system display.
[1:42:17] connect to a wireless.
[1:42:20] So, if there's a settings button,
[1:42:26] I think it's up in the top. Is it the
[1:42:32] TV guy?
[1:42:36] » Isn't there a settings button on the
[1:42:38] remote?
[1:42:41] >> I'm not seeing anything for settings.
[1:42:55] Yeah, it always just come up. It always
[1:42:57] came up on that page.
[1:43:09] Could always shut everything down and
[1:43:11] reboot.
[1:43:32] » [cough]
[1:43:32] [clears throat]
[1:43:33] >> I'm just going to go we left off start
[1:43:37] with page 78.
[1:43:58] Community Involvement
[1:44:01] Chapter 12.
[1:44:12] Oh boy.
[1:44:21] All righty.
[1:44:28] Anybody have anything on the first page?
[1:44:32] >> Yes.
[1:44:34] >> Great. [snorts]
[1:44:34] >> Okay. Number two. Okay.
[1:44:37] >> Middle of the paragraph where it says
[1:44:39] the Carol County Board of Commissioners
[1:44:42] [cough]
[1:44:43] >> appoints.
[1:44:44] >> Yes. Carol County Board of Commissioner
[1:44:46] should be crossed out.
[1:44:48] >> Okay.
[1:44:48] >> And it should say the New Windsor Mayor
[1:44:50] and Town Council appoints qualified
[1:44:52] citizens to the numerous boards. Blah blah blah.
[1:44:57] >> The new Windsor town council.
[1:44:59] >> The new Windsor mayor. Mayor. Oh,
[1:45:01] >> mayor and town council.
[1:45:02] >> Town council.
[1:45:07] [clears throat]
[1:45:10] appoints qualified citizens. Okay,
[1:45:12] >> he keeps going. Planning and zoning
[1:45:14] commission, board of zoning appeals
[1:45:18] and ethics commission
[1:45:21] and the rest can be deleted.
[1:45:24] We [snorts] don't have those.
[1:45:28] » And ethics commission. Mhm.
[1:45:32] >> Okay. Period.
[1:45:34] and then delete all the [cough]
[1:45:39] » Wow. What is it? What are these other
[1:45:42] ones?
[1:45:43] >> I guess they were things the Carol
[1:45:45] County Board of Commissioners used to
[1:45:46] do, but
[1:45:48] >> yeah, I can't see it, so I don't know.
[1:45:50] >> They may still do it, but it doesn't
[1:45:51] matter.
[1:45:51] >> Oh, that's the end of the paragraph.
[1:45:54] >> Okay,
[1:45:57] » that's all I had on page 78.
[1:46:01] >> Okay.
[1:46:02] [clears throat] M.
[1:46:03] >> Anybody else have anything on 78?
[1:46:06] [snorts]
[1:46:07] >> Okay. 79.
[1:46:10] >> All right. Yes. 79. [cough]
[1:46:13] >> I believe C A BC can go away. Carol
[1:46:17] County Planning and Zoning Commission.
[1:46:20] We were removing all Carol County stuff
[1:46:22] out of here.
[1:46:30] » [cough and clears throat]
[1:46:31] >> Do we
[1:46:33] change that information to
[1:46:36] >> apply to New Windsor or
[1:46:39] >> No, just exit out
[1:46:41] >> because you have town planning on a
[1:46:44] [snorts]
[1:46:44] >> Okay, that's right.
[1:46:46] >> Are we still on legislate the district
[1:46:48] will be
[1:46:51] [snorts]
[1:46:54] » the date? Anything changed there?
[1:46:56] >> I don't know. I don't think so, but
[1:46:58] that's something that we should just
[1:47:00] Yeah, we should confirm. But where do
[1:47:02] you see that?
[1:47:03] >> Um, yes, I think we Yes, we are.
[1:47:07] >> Gotcha.
[1:47:07] >> Yeah. The legislative district 4B. Yeah.
[1:47:10] >> At least so far. [cough]
[1:47:17] » All right.
[1:47:19] >> Bottom of [snorts] that page, Mark,
[1:47:20] where it says town board of zoning
[1:47:22] appeals under that paragraph.
[1:47:24] >> Okay. the board of zoning appeals. You
[1:47:27] need to put BZA in prince. That's the
[1:47:29] first time I found it in the document.
[1:47:34] » Oh yeah. [snorts] Okay.
[1:47:47] Did you merge it to this room or
[1:47:49] something? [snorts]
[1:47:49] >> I don't know what it is.
[1:47:52] That's just a right here.
[1:47:56] >> That page 80.
[1:47:58] >> Get rid of the first one. [cough] First
[1:48:00] one and the second one.
[1:48:02] >> Oh, okay. I'll get rid of the BZA
[1:48:03] [snorts] on the second page.
[1:48:05] >> Yeah.
[1:48:06] >> Is that right? We do have it.
[1:48:16] » Okay. What did you have on 80, Dave? Um,
[1:48:21] I have a note on the bottom of the media
[1:48:25] paragraph
[1:48:26] where we need to add the Carol Media
[1:48:29] Center where they film, [snorts] record,
[1:48:32] and broadcast town meetings.
[1:48:46] So, was that at the end of that
[1:48:48] paragraph?
[1:48:49] >> Well, I think we should probably put it
[1:48:50] up
[1:48:51] >> included in with
[1:48:52] >> it says the town publishes a quarterly
[1:48:54] newsletter. Uh, Dire says and then where
[1:48:58] it says additionally.
[1:49:00] >> No, I don't want where. Okay, there you
[1:49:02] go. Yes, town publishes accordingly
[1:49:04] newsletter. Okay.
[1:49:05] >> So, I don't know the the all those other
[1:49:07] things. Some of them happen, some of
[1:49:09] them don't. But we know probably the
[1:49:10] Carol Media Center should be first
[1:49:12] because they're the ones that are the
[1:49:13] most active with
[1:49:15] >> I don't know where but YouTube. We watch
[1:49:18] town meetings on YouTube.
[1:49:21] >> Sure. The Carol Media Center is the one
[1:49:23] that pops all that stuff out there.
[1:49:25] >> Yeah. [snorts]
[1:49:29] » Okay. So after the news article
[1:49:32] [clears throat]
[1:49:33] >> and then there's that first pair that
[1:49:34] additionally there are variety of print
[1:49:36] online numerous television
[1:49:38] [snorts]
[1:49:39] that
[1:49:40] >> that may include Carol County Connie and
[1:49:41] then so I guess right before that where
[1:49:43] it says WTTR
[1:49:45] >> okay
[1:49:46] >> I'd probably stick it there
[1:49:50] » WTTR has no local news at all anymore
[1:49:53] >> well I mean I I don't know any the rest
[1:49:55] of that stuff if it can go if what's
[1:49:57] true and what's not true there. So I
[1:49:59] don't know [clears throat]
[1:50:02] [snorts]
[1:50:02] >> I don't have the cable TV so I don't
[1:50:04] know if channel 19 21 all those things
[1:50:06] are right or wrong. So if any of you
[1:50:08] guys know
[1:50:09] >> they're not like live stream
[1:50:13] later in the week it might be
[1:50:16] >> they do they have some they do
[1:50:19] >> they have some events still have but
[1:50:22] >> on the I yeah WTR but see
[1:50:25] >> they don't have any news at all not even
[1:50:28] national news anymore
[1:50:31] >> I'm not saying that that
[1:50:32] >> community county
[1:50:34] >> they have community events on there
[1:50:35] >> community media Community Media Center,
[1:50:38] CMC.
[1:50:40] [clears throat]
[1:50:42] >> The car, say it again. This what it's
[1:50:45] the
[1:50:46] >> Is it the Carol County Community Media
[1:50:48] Center or is it just
[1:50:49] >> I would think so. I've only dealt with
[1:50:51] it as the community media center, but um
[1:50:54] >> I'm assuming I'm in the community,
[1:50:56] >> right?
[1:51:05] They film, record, and broadcast town
[1:51:09] meetings.
[1:51:17] » Well,
[1:51:18] >> oh, they just
[1:51:19] >> town council meetings and and planning
[1:51:22] commission. We say meetings, it's not
[1:51:24] really all meetings. It's just the the
[1:51:26] public meetings or what do you want to
[1:51:28] >> I guess you could say public meeting.
[1:51:30] Okay.
[1:51:31] >> It's just refers as community media
[1:51:33] center.
[1:51:34] >> Yeah,
[1:51:34] >> that's just called the community media
[1:51:36] center.
[1:51:41] » That's their official 501c title.
[1:52:01] » [clears throat]
[1:52:18] >> the community media center film, record
[1:52:21] and broadcast
[1:52:25] all Town Council and Planning
[1:52:26] Commission.
[1:52:27] >> Public meetings within the town.
[1:52:29] >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. Public meetings within
[1:52:32] the town. Okay, that's good.
[1:52:34] >> That's [snorts] very good.
[1:52:57] Yeah, I have no idea about the cable
[1:52:58] stuff.
[1:53:00] >> Well, you can air.
[1:53:01] >> I wouldn't be too specific about
[1:53:03] anything related to cable. It's changing
[1:53:05] that that whole industry is changing so
[1:53:07] dramatically
[1:53:08] >> that you know, who knows what's going to
[1:53:10] be available in two years. Yeah,
[1:53:21] where it says citizen information
[1:53:23] sources and we have nothing underneath
[1:53:25] it. Do we want to remove that?
[1:53:36] Oh,
[1:53:38] >> I kind of was looking at that as the
[1:53:40] heading
[1:53:40] >> the heading for
[1:53:41] >> for media Oh, I had dot dot. Okay.
[1:53:46] >> By the way, here it is in here. It
[1:53:48] doesn't call it the Carol Media Center,
[1:53:49] but it does say that the uh the new
[1:53:52] channel devoted to Carol County
[1:53:53] government to broadcast public meetings,
[1:53:56] events, and other programs. Isn't that
[1:53:58] Carol Media?
[1:54:19] Okay. And I'm sorry, Kevin. What did you
[1:54:21] have?
[1:54:23] >> Nothing.
[1:54:24] >> Well, he had good stuff. We we we fixed.
[1:54:26] >> We already discussed it. I was
[1:54:28] overruled.
[1:54:29] >> Okay.
[1:54:29] [laughter]
[1:54:34] » Sure.
[1:54:34] >> Does nobody has anything else? Okay.
[1:54:36] >> Uh could add that the town has a
[1:54:39] Facebook page.
[1:54:41] Yeah. In addition to the website,
[1:54:47] » a nice paragraph under internet.
[1:54:50] >> Oh yeah. Okay.
[1:54:52] >> I think the the first par the first
[1:54:54] sentence of that we need to get rid of
[1:54:56] growing.
[1:54:58] >> The internet is a growing resource of
[1:54:59] information. I think we're past that
[1:55:01] stage. It's just a it's just a s
[1:55:03] resource.
[1:55:04] >> Just strike the word growing. We had
[1:55:06] somebody knock on our door this evening
[1:55:08] at 5:30 for um fiber.
[1:55:11] >> That was Esther.
[1:55:13] Hoffman.
[1:55:15] >> Yes, it was. [clears throat]
[1:55:15] >> Yes, it was. [laughter]
[1:55:16] >> I didn't know till she left. I was
[1:55:19] >> Yes.
[1:55:22] » coming here.
[1:55:25] >> I have Antito
[1:55:28] broadband. Aren't you out here?
[1:55:30] [clears throat]
[1:55:31] >> Very fast.
[1:55:33] Very happy with that. So the contract
[1:55:35] will be out here.
[1:55:35] >> Not initially, but I solved the problem
[1:55:38] I had.
[1:55:41] » All right.
[1:55:43] >> So I did you have
[1:55:45] >> struck the word.
[1:55:46] >> Okay.
[1:55:48] >> So you maintain the website you say
[1:55:51] Facebook page.
[1:55:55] » Where did you want to stick that?
[1:55:56] >> I guess that last paragraph.
[1:56:00] [snorts]
[1:56:00] >> Okay.
[1:56:01] Tommy maintains a website and Facebook
[1:56:03] presence or Facebook page, whatever you
[1:56:04] want to say.
[1:56:05] >> Same information on the town's website.
[1:56:07] [laughter]
[1:56:11] » I'm I'm just scorekeeper. So I'm I'm
[1:56:14] >> You got it.
[1:56:14] >> No.
[1:56:15] >> Okay. Under internet
[1:56:18] third paragraph.
[1:56:19] >> Third paragraph. Okay. Maintains a
[1:56:22] website.
[1:56:22] >> Maintains a website and Facebook
[1:56:24] >> Facebook page
[1:56:25] >> page.
[1:56:37] All righty.
[1:56:37] >> Anybody else have anything on page 81?
[1:56:46] » How about 82?
[1:56:47] >> 82.
[1:56:49] >> On 82.
[1:56:57] » Okay. 83. We need to remove that uh
[1:57:00] disable.
[1:57:02] >> Yep. It's gone.
[1:57:03] >> It's gone. Okay. Anything else?
[1:57:05] >> Anything else on 83?
[1:57:11] » Just that top
[1:57:12] >> 84.
[1:57:14] >> Rolling.
[1:57:16] Going to chapter 13. [clears throat]
[1:57:18] >> Yep. 84. Anything?
[1:57:21] 85.
[1:57:27] Mhm. [clears throat]
[1:57:33] » 86.
[1:57:36] [cough and clears throat]
[1:57:36] >> 86 mark is where we have that council of
[1:57:38] governments.
[1:57:41] >> Yes, I looked it up.
[1:57:44] >> There is no formal or permanent council
[1:57:46] of governments in Carol County. Instead,
[1:57:49] municipal collaboration between the
[1:57:51] county and its eight incorporated towns
[1:57:53] are facilitated primarily through the
[1:57:56] Maryland Municipal League, Carol County
[1:57:58] Chapter. Here it is. I'll give it to
[1:58:00] you. Type it in.
[1:58:01] >> Right. There you go.
[1:58:02] >> So, this
[1:58:04] council of government used to be a
[1:58:06] council of government.
[1:58:07] >> That's what goes in
[1:58:07] >> a long time ago. That's what they called
[1:58:09] it, but it's gone.
[1:58:18] You know what?
[1:58:20] >> We have that on the next page.
[1:58:21] >> I'll do this.
[1:58:22] >> We have the MML on the next page.
[1:58:24] >> Page 86
[1:58:26] Council of Governments, Mark. So, if you
[1:58:28] need to write that on a piece of paper,
[1:58:29] >> I will
[1:58:36] council governments. This will replace
[1:58:38] what's here.
[1:58:42] Okay. Page 87.
[1:58:45] I believe the membership and
[1:58:47] participation in Baltimore Metropolitan
[1:58:50] Council can be removed. It's not
[1:58:53] applicable to New Windsor.
[1:59:00] Okay. So that whole
[1:59:06] membership Baltimore Metro Council gone
[1:59:09] take it all out.
[1:59:10] >> Yes.
[1:59:11] >> Okay.
[1:59:13] Anything else on 87? Anybody?
[1:59:16] 88.
[1:59:23] [clears throat]
[1:59:25] I had a um on 88 I had a question mark
[1:59:28] there. We have no fiscal implications
[1:59:31] section
[1:59:34] like we did for the other.
[1:59:37] Oh, we just made two of them listed.
[1:59:39] There's no physical impact. The last
[1:59:40] tail, we didn't call it a section.
[1:59:44] recommended actions. We did not
[1:59:46] >> It wasn't the original one. [laughter]
[1:59:48] We don't need to have it there then.
[1:59:50] >> Yeah.
[1:59:51] >> That's I think it wasn't the original.
[1:59:52] That's why we did it that way.
[1:59:53] >> Yeah. All right.
[1:59:56] Uh page 89
[2:00:00] community design. Yes.
[2:00:01] >> Yes. Did you change the the table
[2:00:04] numbers? Are they in sync now?
[2:00:05] >> Yeah, they're all in sync now. Yes.
[2:00:07] >> And I had nothing else on those pages.
[2:00:10] 99. How about 90? Anybody? You got the
[2:00:14] tables right?
[2:00:15] >> Yep.
[2:00:15] >> Okay, cool. Anything on 90? 91
[2:00:26] mobile home on there.
[2:00:31] » We're going to see who catches that. Who
[2:00:33] finds it?
[2:00:34] >> Yeah. [laughter]
[2:00:35] Keep moving.
[2:00:37] >> How about 92?
[2:00:41] I had a question under down towards the
[2:00:45] bottom of the page under current
[2:00:46] affordable housing programs. We have uh
[2:00:49] something in PNS there. It says or in
[2:00:52] bold
[2:00:52] >> bold roughly
[2:00:53] >> whatever roughly 25 households.
[2:00:55] >> Yeah.
[2:00:57] >> Is that accurate? Is it true? Do we
[2:01:00] really know that?
[2:01:03] No,
[2:01:06] >> I don't know the number, but I know that
[2:01:08] there are a few.
[2:01:11] >> Just say a percentage of
[2:01:14] >> use any number.
[2:01:14] >> Don't use a number. Then just put there
[2:01:16] are households within New Windsor.
[2:01:18] >> Yes.
[2:01:21] >> Exactly.
[2:01:22] >> Okay. So, let's Why don't we do this?
[2:01:24] >> So, I understand. So, there's
[2:01:28] >> just change it to the R. Yeah.
[2:01:30] >> 10%. So
[2:01:34] » within News area
[2:01:36] >> 10% just say they are there are
[2:01:40] >> don't even put a percentage in there.
[2:01:46] » Sure.
[2:01:47] >> There are households within New Wor area
[2:01:49] currently receiving some sort of housing
[2:01:51] assistance.
[2:01:52] >> Yeah.
[2:01:53] Don't lock yourself.
[2:01:54] >> I would lock Yeah.
[2:01:57] put a number that's ever changing
[2:01:59] >> because there always will be. So, we're
[2:02:01] always correct.
[2:02:04] >> I know if you
[2:02:05] >> Anybody else have uh anything on 92? How
[2:02:08] about 93?
[2:02:09] >> On 92 there's a there's some weird uh
[2:02:13] font issues on that page of
[2:02:16] >> Okay.
[2:02:18] >> So, fiddle page.
[2:02:19] >> Okay. All right. 93.
[2:02:24] Okay. Okay. 94.
[2:02:28] Fiscal implications at the bottom can be
[2:02:30] removed. Did you do that one?
[2:02:32] >> Yep. Gone.
[2:02:33] >> Perfect. How about 95?
[2:02:44] » 96.
[2:02:47] We need to change that to uh 2026.
[2:02:52] >> No.
[2:02:52] because we that's what we had. We
[2:02:55] got the the
[2:02:56] >> You got it.
[2:02:56] >> Yeah. No, it's 2025 land use
[2:02:59] designations is what we got.
[2:03:02] >> That's the uh the land use designation.
[2:03:05] >> No, no, no.
[2:03:06] >> The the first line.
[2:03:07] >> The first line.
[2:03:08] >> The new Windsor Community Comprehensive
[2:03:10] Plan.
[2:03:10] >> Sorry, I thought you were talking about
[2:03:12] changing.
[2:03:12] >> I need to see it now. Right.
[2:03:13] >> Yes, I did change out there.
[2:03:15] >> That's all I had.
[2:03:22] Thank you, Dave.
[2:03:25] >> No, you brought us in late.
[2:03:26] >> I brought you in, though.
[2:03:27] >> You did. You brought us in quick, Dave.
[2:03:31] you
[2:03:33] brought us in fast. Fast and hot.
[2:03:35] [laughter]
[2:03:36] >> Dave, Dave, take that white.
[2:03:39] >> Take that white tube that's there.
[2:03:43] >> Okay. And one end of it is a little
[2:03:45] white button. Give it a push.
[2:03:50] There you go.
[2:03:51] >> [laughter]
[2:03:51] >> That's a CATION
[2:03:58] [laughter]
[2:04:04] out of there.
[2:04:05] >> No, that's when
[2:04:08] we have to clean it up. [laughter]
[2:04:10] >> I I was at a wedding in North Carolina
[2:04:12] last night about 1:00 and we were
[2:04:14] wrapping up. I decided to grab some of
[2:04:16] those that
[2:04:17] >> I think it's completely appropriate.
[2:04:20] >> So,
[2:04:20] >> okay. So, now what?
[2:04:23] >> So, um I make a motion we approve.
[2:04:28] Second. All in favor say I.
[2:04:31] >> [laughter]
[2:04:31] >> So what we have
[2:04:34] I I don't I I can turn take this now
[2:04:39] >> and forward this on because I've gone
[2:04:41] through and done all the little changes
[2:04:43] that we just did tonight.
[2:04:44] >> That last little piece of paper you
[2:04:46] have.
[2:04:47] >> Good point. Yes.
[2:04:49] >> Well, that's the next question. Um, I
[2:04:51] reminded Ethan last week before I left
[2:04:54] that he uh uh he said he was going to
[2:04:56] give me who we would need to forward
[2:04:59] this on to next. He said he had
[2:05:01] >> he's still looking at them from the
[2:05:02] county.
[2:05:03] >> Yes.
[2:05:04] >> But he had when he did it for what did
[2:05:06] he say? Manchester
[2:05:09] >> was it Hamstead one of them.
[2:05:10] >> They're the same, aren't they? Hamstead.
[2:05:11] Manchester North County.
[2:05:13] >> Hamster.
[2:05:14] >> Yeah, Hamch. When he was he said they
[2:05:17] had just done this a couple of months
[2:05:19] ago. Yeah, they were working on their
[2:05:21] >> Yes. So he So he said the first step was
[2:05:23] so he would send me who it needed to go
[2:05:25] to and I've reminded him that I still
[2:05:27] needed that.
[2:05:28] >> Okay. So is there anything else that we
[2:05:32] know of
[2:05:34] that needs to be looked at or reviewed?
[2:05:37] Now,
[2:05:38] um I think so and it's not not not
[2:05:42] substantive so much as structural and
[2:05:45] some of this is just me and I will I
[2:05:48] will not insist but if you have five
[2:05:50] sections and four of them say the goal
[2:05:54] is blah and the fifth one doesn't
[2:05:57] mention that that things should match
[2:06:00] >> things should m because I'm telling you
[2:06:01] the M MDP wants things to match. So,
[2:06:04] I've started in my own neurotic way. Um,
[2:06:08] so, so look for those things cuz I know
[2:06:11] we've gone through this substance. So,
[2:06:13] there might be and I know Dave is
[2:06:15] probably way better at that stuff than I am. um finding and not to find
[2:06:21] fault but just to find things that maybe
[2:06:27] want to be finished or or revisited
[2:06:30] before it's printed in however many I
[2:06:33] don't have a hard copy of it. I'm
[2:06:35] looking at it on the machine. I've never
[2:06:37] had a hard copy of it since the original
[2:06:39] one.
[2:06:40] >> Oh, actually I sent it to you three
[2:06:41] weeks ago.
[2:06:42] >> Oh, I have it. It's on the machine.
[2:06:43] >> Oh, yeah. On the machine. So, um would
[2:06:45] you like a hard copy? I can certainly
[2:06:47] get you.
[2:06:47] >> Well, No, cuz I'm I'm looking at it now
[2:06:49] on the machine to see before we print it
[2:06:52] off if anybody else feels that they're
[2:06:54] want to do that or if that's just me, in
[2:06:57] which case I'll stop.
[2:06:58] >> Well, I went I went through it as
[2:07:00] thoroughly as I could trying to catch
[2:07:02] those kind of nuances. Now, I don't know
[2:07:05] that I would willing to bet I didn't
[2:07:06] catch them all. So, there could be some
[2:07:09] stuff like that, but I did I did balance
[2:07:12] page numbers. I bounced paragraph
[2:07:13] numbers. I tried to find the consistency
[2:07:16] between the the different sections.
[2:07:19] That's why I threw fiscal, you know,
[2:07:20] those
[2:07:21] >> and that's already been part of our
[2:07:22] discussion.
[2:07:23] >> Right. So,
[2:07:24] >> you've done it. I'm confident to the
[2:07:26] best of my ability
[2:07:28] >> and I've also gone through and what I
[2:07:31] mean put out there this hard copy was as
[2:07:35] close as I felt like I could come with
[2:07:38] getting those to match up. So, the table
[2:07:41] numbers, pages, and all of that. Um, and consistency when we reference
[2:07:47] something back and forth. Um, so what
[2:07:51] you had there is hard copy was the best
[2:07:53] I could do at that time. And if you've
[2:07:55] looked through it, I think that's two
[2:07:58] screenings that we've done and we've all
[2:08:00] kind of had also had a chance to
[2:08:03] send this out again.
[2:08:04] >> Now, will your table of contents get
[2:08:07] updated to reflect? Okay. Cuz I even did
[2:08:09] that as I went through it. Okay. which,
[2:08:11] you know, it's already changed now
[2:08:13] because of a couple things we just took
[2:08:14] out,
[2:08:15] >> right?
[2:08:15] >> So, yeah.
[2:08:16] >> So, I guess until you clean up all the
[2:08:18] font, make that all the same, you'll be
[2:08:20] able to put in your pages or
[2:08:22] >> Yeah, it's all done. It's already been
[2:08:24] done. Yeah.
[2:08:24] >> How about that little note that I Well,
[2:08:26] cuz you were out of town, I think, when
[2:08:28] I sent that about that. I had written a note about the density
[2:08:35] >> and the anticipated density and the hot
[2:08:37] property. Okay.
[2:08:38] >> And then I got an email from Gary
[2:08:40] telling me that my numbers were wrong.
[2:08:42] >> Okay.
[2:08:42] >> So no, I have not seen.
[2:08:44] >> All right. You know what?
[2:08:46] >> I give that to you.
[2:08:47] >> Okay. Now can't say I haven't seen it.
[2:08:50] Okay.
[2:08:50] >> There you go.
[2:08:53] >> That's what he's talking about. And I
[2:08:55] said, I got that from the current draft.
[2:08:57] We'll fix it. But that's where the note
[2:08:59] was. So you may now
[2:09:02] >> Thank you.
[2:09:05] [snorts]
[2:09:10] for that. So I think this ended at what
[2:09:13] 96 or yeah 96 we are going to finish at
[2:09:17] 92.
[2:09:18] >> Oh good.
[2:09:19] >> So my things we have taken out further
[2:09:22] we started at 160 couple
[2:09:25] >> so
[2:09:27] >> um
[2:09:27] >> efficiency through government. Love it.
[2:09:30] >> I'm not sure how efficient this process
[2:09:33] has been.
[2:09:34] >> Not at all. Okay. Um,
[2:09:38] I will make the changes we just talked
[2:09:41] about and I will send it around again.
[2:09:45] Um, but at the same time, it's going to
[2:09:48] go off to whoever Ethan says is the next
[2:09:52] step and he said there were a variety of
[2:09:54] places.
[2:09:54] >> Yeah, there's a bunch of boxes that have
[2:09:55] to go.
[2:09:56] >> Um,
[2:09:57] >> including Ethan's office.
[2:09:58] >> Yes. Now, he does have it himself.
[2:10:01] >> He has the whole thing, not just in his
[2:10:02] Yeah, I gave him the whole thing because
[2:10:04] I He had never seen it at all.
[2:10:06] >> That's true.
[2:10:07] >> And I felt like he needed Yes.
[2:10:10] >> You would think there would be some
[2:10:11] transitioning.
[2:10:13] >> No, but that's that's a pain and useless
[2:10:15] hope.
[2:10:16] >> Yes. That's government doesn't.
[2:10:19] Okay. So, um
[2:10:21] >> why don't we start on the next revision?
[2:10:24] Yeah. [laughter]
[2:10:25] >> Well, I wanted to ask you out of here.
[2:10:29] Did anybody catch what he said about I
[2:10:31] think it was Manchester. They've done
[2:10:33] two amendments to their 2010
[2:10:35] >> comprehensive plan.
[2:10:36] >> I did hear that.
[2:10:38] >> Yeah. So,
[2:10:39] >> you know, maybe we don't have to.
[2:10:42] >> Believe me, you are not the only people
[2:10:43] who um may appear to be somewhat
[2:10:46] dilatory.
[2:10:49] uh I sent around in your book here in
[2:10:52] the very front my initial key points
[2:10:57] that I was going to put in the cover
[2:10:59] letter. I'll just ask if there are if
[2:11:02] you would take a look at that again and
[2:11:05] see if there's anything that you would
[2:11:07] like or suggest added to that. Uh we're
[2:11:10] not at the point cuz it's not going to
[2:11:11] be turned over to town council yet.
[2:11:13] >> Mhm. But I feel like they point out some
[2:11:17] things to them. One of them may be going
[2:11:19] away, which was the Snater property, but
[2:11:21] certainly the Hoff is is is is
[2:11:25] you know, right now it's in our GAB and
[2:11:27] there's no likelihood that's going to
[2:11:29] change from our perspective.
[2:11:32] We need to um
[2:11:36] I had the beginning of chapter 3
[2:11:39] verbiage.
[2:11:41] So there's there's verbiage up at the
[2:11:44] beginning of chapter 3 that gives some
[2:11:48] history. The New Windsor Planning
[2:11:49] Commission began its review blah blah. So I think that information at the
[2:11:54] beginning of chapter 3 can go in the
[2:11:56] letter to the
[2:11:58] >> Oh,
[2:12:00] let me get to chapter 3 here so
[2:12:02] [clears throat] I can see what spec
[2:12:06] here.
[2:12:06] >> Mhm.
[2:12:11] And I think from a from the legal
[2:12:13] perspective as once this is completely
[2:12:17] cleaned up and finished with tonight's
[2:12:19] comments and everything else um if
[2:12:23] you're not ready to send it send it to
[2:12:26] the council.
[2:12:28] It would be prudent even though I know
[2:12:29] we we've discussed and voted on a couple
[2:12:31] of specifics.
[2:12:33] You need to have a resol not necessarily
[2:12:36] a resolution. You need to have something
[2:12:38] in your in your formalizing
[2:12:41] that you have finished it and here it is
[2:12:46] and send that to to the council as well.
[2:12:49] Another another step
[2:12:52] from here.
[2:12:54] >> Can I just
[2:12:55] >> maybe maybe that's not what you had
[2:12:56] contemplated
[2:12:59] >> just I mean you know
[2:13:00] >> okay we finished it and it's now been
[2:13:02] forwarded on to these bodies for their
[2:13:05] review. Well,
[2:13:06] >> you mean like coming to do that?
[2:13:08] >> Yes, we make a motion to something that
[2:13:12] is reflected in your minutes
[2:13:14] >> that you have completed that you haven't
[2:13:16] really completed because we made changes
[2:13:19] tonight. There's a change in the note.
[2:13:21] There's
[2:13:23] >> another hard copy that's complete
[2:13:25] >> that Gary and and Ethan were talking
[2:13:27] about for the war of sewer. I don't have
[2:13:29] the maps and I don't have the maps on
[2:13:31] the computer
[2:13:34] and I know and I share everyone's
[2:13:37] eagerness to devest ourselves of this
[2:13:39] piece of paper at least for a while. Um,
[2:13:43] but I I want to make sure that all the
[2:13:45] formal steps are taken that are required
[2:13:49] by the law and
[2:13:52] >> well I I I will add that what Ethan said
[2:13:54] to me when we talked about this that
[2:14:00] This is what it looks like today, right?
[2:14:02] >> There are things in process.
[2:14:04] >> Oh yeah.
[2:14:05] >> Just like we know like the Hoff property
[2:14:06] and the others and
[2:14:09] you know he's having this discussion
[2:14:10] with Gary. So he says that's all going
[2:14:13] to be that that is supposed to be caught
[2:14:15] by them and and their
[2:14:17] >> Okay. Well, good. Because I know that
[2:14:19] the whole water sewer plan and the map
[2:14:20] numbers and things like that may have to
[2:14:22] be changed. Well, the water resource
[2:14:23] element, you know, when we we first got
[2:14:26] talking about that, I think that was his
[2:14:27] first time here and we we were we were
[2:14:29] chatting about that. He says that's all
[2:14:31] part of their
[2:14:31] >> it's all part of what they're doing.
[2:14:33] People get comment
[2:14:35] >> because again the same idea you were
[2:14:36] doing talking about with Dave that you
[2:14:39] know they're going to make sure that the
[2:14:40] pieces match up not only ours but with
[2:14:43] theirs their scheme.
[2:14:45] >> I'm not a trusting individual.
[2:14:47] >> Yeah, I I'm not either. I think it's
[2:14:48] much easier when it's hard copy than
[2:14:50] when you start having it all in here.
[2:14:51] Yeah, I'm a hard copy person.
[2:14:53] >> I think I had Mark where you're where
[2:14:54] you're saying we went from whatever 160
[2:14:57] pages down to 92. Um, you need to say we
[2:15:01] did that by removing the bulk of the non
[2:15:03] New Windsor verbiage that was typically
[2:15:06] Carol County related.
[2:15:07] >> Yeah, there's a lot of extraneous stuff
[2:15:09] in there.
[2:15:10] >> So, just because they're going to wonder
[2:15:12] what the heck we cut out. Well, we cut
[2:15:14] out most of the stuff was Carol County
[2:15:17] related verbiage
[2:15:20] >> and it's page 171 to 96.
[2:15:25] » What was that?
[2:15:26] >> 171. Is that what it was?
[2:15:28] >> The last one was 171.
[2:15:30] >> Yeah.
[2:15:31] >> And we're down to 92.
[2:15:33] >> Nice.
[2:15:41] Amazing.
[2:15:43] right here in New Zealand.
[2:15:45] >> Yes, indeed. Better not say that makes
[2:15:48] America leaner. Making government leaner
[2:15:50] for the people. It would make me leaner.
[2:15:55] » All righty.
[2:15:57] >> Citizens at work.
[2:15:59] Citizens on patrol.
[2:16:02] >> Okay, let's see. Um, oh, so
[2:16:07] you think we [clears throat] should have
[2:16:08] a motion that you know or that that's
[2:16:12] that the minutes recognize?
[2:16:14] >> I think the minutes are adequate to
[2:16:17] reflect that the review is complete, but
[2:16:20] [clears throat] the we don't have a
[2:16:22] final
[2:16:24] >> paper. Our draft is complete, but the
[2:16:27] review is
[2:16:27] >> Yes, the review Yeah, our draft is
[2:16:29] complete. The [clears throat] and we're
[2:16:30] being reviewed at the county level and
[2:16:33] state.
[2:16:34] >> When everybody is satisfied with that,
[2:16:35] it'll be forwarded through the process.
[2:16:37] >> Through the process, including the
[2:16:39] 60-day review.
[2:16:40] >> Yeah.
[2:16:41] >> Yes.
[2:16:42] >> Which then it will go to the council.
[2:16:45] >> After goes
[2:16:47] are considered. Yes.
[2:16:49] >> Yeah. It has to go to them first cuz all
[2:16:50] the comments any comments we get, we
[2:16:52] have to we have to decide if we're going
[2:16:54] to act on them and incorporate them or
[2:16:57] reject them and if so, why and blah blah blah. And I will hearken back
[2:17:03] to what did uh Ethan say when he
[2:17:06] reviewed
[2:17:07] >> I guess it was Manchester's.
[2:17:08] >> Oh yeah. They had like 72 or something.
[2:17:10] >> Yeah. Yeah. Like 72 comments on theirs.
[2:17:12] So and they have a professional planner
[2:17:14] on their staff. So
[2:17:17] >> we can beat them.
[2:17:18] >> No. Well, we can beat them.
[2:17:20] >> Will this be posted like on the town's
[2:17:22] website for public review?
[2:17:24] >> Not yet.
[2:17:25] >> But I mean will that be the process or
[2:17:27] >> Oh, there's got to be public hearings on
[2:17:29] this thing.
[2:17:30] >> Yeah. that.
[2:17:31] >> That's why it's not going to be until
[2:17:32] next year to wear shirts.
[2:17:34] >> Yes. That's why you have to have shirts.
[2:17:36] >> That's right. [laughter]
[2:17:39] >> Target is a target. Exactly.
[2:17:43] >> Bullseye on the back. [laughter]
[2:17:46] >> So, upcoming meetings. Our next meeting
[2:17:48] would is scheduled for Monday 10:26
[2:17:52] at 6.
[2:17:53] >> I will not be in attendance.
[2:17:54] >> You will not be. Okay. I I will let me
[2:17:56] know but for certain I will not be here.
[2:17:59] >> And then but you'll be here in spirit.
[2:18:02] >> You'll be here.
[2:18:02] >> I'll be here.
[2:18:04] >> Um and then the uh next one after that
[2:18:06] is Monday the 23rd and um we always get
[2:18:10] a little dicey around Thanksgiving and
[2:18:12] Christmas for our meetings. So, um, we
[2:18:16] can discuss next month what it looks
[2:18:18] like for people whether that's, you
[2:18:20] know, we'll have a a quorum or not for
[2:18:22] the 23rd, but the 26th of October for
[2:18:26] sure. Don't forget music on the main
[2:18:28] this weekend
[2:18:30] and that is 126 still.
[2:18:32] >> Correct.
[2:18:33] >> Okay. Any other announcements?
[2:18:37] >> When's Meatloaf?
[2:18:39] >> Tomorrow night.
[2:18:40] All right. Drew's famous
[2:18:42] meat globe.
[2:18:45] Okay, I jump on that.
[2:18:47] >> You really should. Up here at Bingo.
[2:18:49] Absolutely. People from all around. I
[2:18:52] know people that have come from Anaonda
[2:18:53] County from uh uh where were they?
[2:18:56] >> I'm going to meet I love Virginia.
[2:18:59] >> Ronaldo, Virginia. [laughter]
[2:19:01] All righty. Any other
[2:19:04] Oh. Um,
[2:19:06] next meeting I will also
[2:19:10] I'll chat with you and then I'll I don't
[2:19:13] know if they will let me borrow that.
[2:19:14] Does Kim have one of those
[2:19:16] >> one? What?
[2:19:16] >> One of those binders with the code in
[2:19:18] it.
[2:19:19] >> She better. Yes,
[2:19:20] >> she better. Okay. Then I'll look in
[2:19:22] there and and and ask you get your view
[2:19:25] because I I think we need to start
[2:19:27] reviewing some sections of the
[2:19:29] >> Oh, yeah. On the code and the charter.
[2:19:30] We've been talking about that. And we
[2:19:32] have, let's not all forget,
[2:19:34] >> um, accessory dwelling units.
[2:19:37] >> Um, I don't think we need a lot of
[2:19:40] complex changes to our code, but there
[2:19:43] are some things that will need to be
[2:19:45] added to little things that are in the
[2:19:47] state law.
[2:19:49] >> Well, can you I know you're paid by the
[2:19:52] hour by the town. Can can we can you
[2:19:54] help me with the agenda for next meeting
[2:19:57] as opposed to chronologically going
[2:19:59] through this?
[2:20:00] >> We can selectively
[2:20:02] >> I think I understand. Yeah, let's just
[2:20:03] talk about it.
[2:20:04] >> Yeah, we'll just talk about it. Okay.
[2:20:06] All right. So, coming attraction just
[2:20:08] when you thought we could go back to
[2:20:09] meeting two or three times a year.
[2:20:11] >> It's never safe to go back in the water.
[2:20:13] >> Yeah. Yes. Yes. All righty. I'm still
[2:20:17] confused about what we're doing with the
[2:20:18] sneakers.
[2:20:20] >> Well, confused right now. We're doing
[2:20:22] nothing.
[2:20:22] >> Yes, we're doing nothing. All righty.
[2:20:25] Can I get a motion to adjurnn?
[2:20:27] >> Yeah, baby.
[2:20:28] >> You can.
[2:20:28] >> Motion to adjurnn.
[2:20:29] >> Motion by Kevin. [clears throat] Second
[2:20:31] by
[2:20:32] >> I'll second.
[2:20:32] >> We're Rebecca there on the board. All
[2:20:34] those in favor signify by I.
[2:20:36] >> I opposed.
[2:20:39] >> Okay.
[2:20:40] >> Was going to be [laughter] but no.