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This is the January 27th meeting of the

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Newcastle Planning and Zoning

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Commission. First item of business will

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be roll call

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>> present.

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>> Carl Evans

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>> here.

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>> Wright

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>> here.

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>> Is absent. Niquity

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>> here.

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» Okay, we do have a quorum. We will

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proceed with business.

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Uh item two is approval of the agenda as

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presented.

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Don't have any changes.

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>> Make a motion we approve the agenda as

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presented. There have been no request

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for continuences.

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>> Second.

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>> I have a motion and a second. All in

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favor signify when I up raise hand. Be

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unanimously approved.

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Approval of the minutes from May 18th

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and June 29th. We didn't have a meeting

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to review them.

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>> Carl, that's the one I got paid for

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without coming.

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>> Is that it? That was awesome, sir.

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>> It's the June 29th.

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>> Well, now we have a full disclosure,

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too. [laughter]

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>> City transparency.

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» I still waiting on the first check. Jet,

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>> make a sec a second that motion.

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>> Okay. Motion and a second to approve the

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minutes as presented. All in favor

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signify with rais hand. be unanimously

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approved.

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Item four is to report on city council's

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decisions for planning commission

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recommendations of last meeting since we

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didn't have one. I'll bet they didn't

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approve anything. Actually, I went and

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they didn't.

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Sorry, I took that away from you.

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>> No, that's No, you didn't. [laughter]

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>> Give those reports.

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>> No, and you were right. We did not have

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anything at the June meeting. Um, we

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have the uh the May

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on

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>> so far back we don't really care.

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» Actually, we probably should approve the

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minutes from the May 18th meeting.

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Anybody have any corrections to them?

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Make a motion we approve the minutes of

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May 18th, 2026 meeting.

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>> Second.

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>> Motion second. All in favor? Unanimously

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approved.

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Item number five is continuence

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requests. There were none.

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Item six is citizen comments. This is

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opportunity for citizens to be heard on

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matters that are not on our agenda

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tonight. Anybody wishes to be heard?

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Seeing none, we'll continue.

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Item seven is lotslit deed approvals.

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So, is that HID in the property up there

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on north side 32?

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>> Yeah, that's that's where it is. I'm

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just was about to ask, do we know

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divided on that?

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>> That's what exactly what was divided on

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that piece that was divided. You're

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talking about which one?

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>> Yeah,

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>> Julia did the the lot split warranty

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deed approval. It was one that had they

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had already come in there.

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>> I'm sorry. Say that again.

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>> It was

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>> They were already divided into some lots

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up there.

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>> Yes.

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>> And did he divide one of the existing

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lots or

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>> Well, actually

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there was a smaller lot within a large

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lot. So it was a little confusing at the

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beginning, but

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the son

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and he actually did it a large

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in it

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to get rid of those two lines within the

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large.

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>> Okay. So, the same property owner owns

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both the the inside square and the

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outside square.

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>> Okay. Got it.

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>> Cool. Thank you.

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Item eight is a public hearing to

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consider an application for resoning

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from agriculture to E2 urban estate

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residential.

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Le Lisa Mike Michelle

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Judy and Terresa Sue Cruz and John R.

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crews located in a track of land line in

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the west half of the west half of the

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northeast quarter of the northeast

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quarter of section 24 township 9 north

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range 4 west of the Indian meridian Mlan

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County Oklahoma property address is 1900

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east Fox Lane the castle o Oklahoma this

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is R 2026-009

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item eight packet

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Good evening. Oh

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>> Julia Yun with Newcastle planning. Uh

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before I read my notes, actually the

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maps included in your uh report, it's

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actually better for you to follow. This

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is so small

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and uh the maps printed in the packet is

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a little bit larger I think that was

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included in my report.

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So

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uh this is a request to reszone

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approximately 1.83 83 acres of a 10 acre

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tract uh from a general agricultural

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district to E2 urban estate residential

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district. The purpose of the request is

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to allow a future lot split to create

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one additional single family residential

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lot.

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The subject property has existed in its

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current configuration since 2020.

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The applicant purchased the property in

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23 and constructed a single family

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residence on the souththeastern portion

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of the tract in 24.

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The property is served by recorded

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private access easements established in

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20 and 2023.

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The proposed reasonzoning applies only

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to the northern 1.83

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acres of the property. So when you look

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at the map, um there's a s looking

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dividing line there that is following

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the natural uh creek. um uh to separate

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the northern 1.83 acres and the southern

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part the remaining is 8.17 acres.

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Uh a significant portion of the proposed

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tract is located within the 100 flood

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plane. Any future development within the

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flood plane would require a flood plane

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permit and compliance wi with all

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applicable flood plane regulations.

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[clears throat]

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Approximately. 22 acres in the

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norththeastern

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portion of the tract is outside of the

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flood plane and appears to provide

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sufficient area for a single family home

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while meeting the required setbacks for

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the E2 district. So there's another

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small portion that uh we're not

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dividing. I'm just pointing it out. That

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northeast corner of the 10acre lot

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approximately 22 acres is completely

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outside of the flood plane. That is what

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I'm just pointing it out. Um

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uh there is also an existing 25

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uh 25 by 30 foot uh metal building on

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the proposed tract. The structure

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predates the applicant's ownership and

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may continue to be used as an accessory

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building such as for storage or a

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workshop.

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cosmetic or aesthetic improvements to

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the building would not require a flood

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plane permit. The remaining 8.17 acre

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tract will retain its general

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agricultural zoning designation and will

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continue to have access through the

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recorded easement from South Portland

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Avenue. staff does not anticipate any

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negative impacts on surrounding land

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uses. The area is characterized by

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single family residential development

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and the request is consistent with the

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future land use maps residential

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designation.

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No protests have been filed within the

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notification area. Based on these

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findings, staff recommends approval of

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the resoning request. I would be happy

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to answer any questions and the

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applicants are here tonight.

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There's a significant portion of that

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property that is outside the flood

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plane, but it's deeper into the lot.

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Correct.

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Is that a correct statement? Northeast

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corner.

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>> Well, additional, if you look at the

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whole lot, I'm I'm trying to look on

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this map here. Yeah. All that is outside

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the flood plane.

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>> Yes, that's correct.

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>> On the south side of the creek.

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>> Yeah, I understand.

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>> Is that what you're asking saying?

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>> Yeah.

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» Access will be off of uh Fox.

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>> Yes.

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deep.

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>> Now, is the 1

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83 acres

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part of a 10acre track?

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>> Yes.

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>> Or is it only

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What's north of the creek?

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>> North of the creek.

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I don't know what you're asking.

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>> Oh, the track.

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>> Sorry. This is the 1.83 acres.

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>> 1.83.

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>> Yes.

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>> It's north of the creek only

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>> is north of the creek. Okay. I see what

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we're doing.

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>> But there's a 10 acre. We're going

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further south that we're reszoning.

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>> No, this to the creek.

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>> Entire acres down to here.

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>> Yeah. the red box. The area is

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>> We're not talking about the red box.

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We're only talking about 1.83 acres,

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>> right?

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» Should have been

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» So, is there two creeks that run through

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there? Is that what that is?

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Sure. What it looks like?

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You're talking about this here, this

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>> as you cross, see where the orange ties

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to both ends of that proposed 10 acres.

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Look at the two ends of the orange. Both

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of those look like they're in some type

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of restricted area.

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>> So, this

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>> 500 year. The orange is

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>> orange. Okay. Is that ae between the 500

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and the and the 100? Is that what that

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>> Yeah, that's the flood the flood way.

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And then the blue is the flood plane.

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» Well,

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I don't see a real problem

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having

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>> long you get a house on that place.

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That's the only thing, right?

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>> Be tough. But it's not usable to the

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south. I mean,

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>> no at all.

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>> Unless you want to build a big bridge.

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>> Yeah.

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>> crosses across the flood plane area. Is

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that right?

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>> No.

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» Lane. Oh, Fox Lane opens.

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>> Which road?

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>> I was mis identifying where this was.

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Yes, they have this will access through

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a private easement. Julia put that in

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the staff report.

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>> This the remainder of this lot will

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access through a private easement that's

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already been established when they

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developed this this house back here

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>> because that was the only way to access

290
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this lot was through this private

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easement here.

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>> And there's several other lots you can

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see

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>> that are to east of this.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Right. Okay.

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>> So, since they have

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That private easement is already in

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place, right?

300
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>> Yes, it's been in place for a long time

301
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>> to the previous owners

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>> before this house at 514 was built.

303
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>> Okay. So, it's chang

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Julia did all of the calculations for

305
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the development, right? The setbacks for

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the front, making sure that they could

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get a house on the

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>> field. Yeah. Without Yeah. without uh

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encroaching into the flood plane. Now,

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the 500year

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Keith can chime in on this since he's

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our flood plane administrator, but

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nothing that we look at it, but as long

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as they stay out of that, they wouldn't

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be required a flood plane permit as long

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as they stay out of it. And on that 22

317
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acres they can fit a house and still

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mind the setbacks and they have the

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frontage and access

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want to make the motion.

321
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» There any public comment on this

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application?

323
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See none. We'll proceed.

324
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I'll make a motion that we recommend

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approval

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this resoning.

327
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>> Second.

328
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All in favor be unanimously approved.

329
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» Thank you. Thank you.

330
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Item nine is discussion and possible

331
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action on deviation of facade

332
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requirements for Windemir PUD

333
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number 785 section 7 special provisions

334
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seven exterior facade regarding the

335
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grove.

336
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Good evening.

337
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My name is Emma Akenna. For the record,

338
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I am um

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presenting uh a deviation to from

340
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exterior facade for growth Newcastle.

341
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Let [clears throat] us see.

342
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So, the Grove is requesting approval of

343
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an exception to the exterior facade

344
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requirements established in the PUD

345
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ordinance number 785

346
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uh section 7 for the track four of the

347
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Windmir PD. Track four is that

348
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highlighted uh

349
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kind of a rectangle.

350
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>> That was a part that was commercial and

351
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we decided they could go right to what

352
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that was. Noel, it was originally

353
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supposed to be the senior housing

354
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section.

355
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>> Okay, got it.

356
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>> I think it's the senior senior housing.

357
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>> Thank you.

358
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So the approved uh POD ordinance number

359
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785 section 7 requires that uh the

360
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exterior facade of all residential

361
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construction within track 1 2 3 1 2 4 5

362
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6 and 7

363
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shall be comprised of no less than 85%

364
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brick and similar material.

365
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and no single site on a structure shall

366
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have more than 15%

367
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of any non-break or similar material.

368
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It's the intent of this provision to

369
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allow window trim entry

370
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way above garage door and if decorative

371
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treatments using materials other than

372
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brick or similar materials. So in such

373
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events where

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uh someone desires to build specific

375
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neighborhood areas within this uh UD the

376
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design theme that is in consistent

377
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[clears throat] with 85%

378
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brick

379
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uh as a primary material application may

380
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be made before the planning commission

381
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or the city council for approval of such

382
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substitute material.

383
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Simply the ordinance establishes 85%

384
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machinery requirement to promote durable

385
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long-lasting and upscale residential

386
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architecture throughout the development.

387
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And the same ordinance also recognizes

388
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that if someone wishes to do something

389
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other than that they may appear before

390
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the planning commission for

391
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uh approval of such request.

392
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So the applicant is using that uh to

393
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propose

394
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uh a construction in track 4 that uses

395
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approximately 35% machinery with the

396
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remaining 65%

397
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uh hardy board siding.

398
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If you could go to the next slide I

399
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think there are better images there that

400
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shows that. So if you could see so below

401
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the window level right little bit above

402
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the window level see there is there's

403
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breakage [clears throat] over that is a

404
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65% adboard.

405
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Now that adibboard is a fiber cement

406
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product commonly used in residential

407
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construction.

408
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,280
Uh it's durable

409
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and it's fire resistant and low

410
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maintenance. It's easy to maintain.

411
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Uh though it differs from

412
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[cough and clears throat] you know if

413
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you have like 85%

414
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brick masonry

415
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uh it's a very good

416
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high quality exterior cladding material

417
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but because the proposal

418
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is inconsistent with the PUD that's

419
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adopted [snorts]

420
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approval by the planning commission and

421
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council is required before the

422
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alternative ative

423
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35% and 65%.

424
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Uh staff reviewed this and we find that

425
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the proposed use of the HDI board in

426
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combination with 35% merry creates a

427
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cohesive um architectural design that is

428
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compatible with the surrounding

429
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development. And secondly, the material

430
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being substituted

431
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is strong enough uh it's durable

432
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and then

433
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it establishes a very distinct theme

434
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architectural theme

435
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for senior living facility.

436
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Uh if you see the image that is there,

437
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we already have u

438
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I think there was previous exception

439
00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:26,720
that was made by the planning commission

440
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of I think wind phase six and partly

441
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phase three.

442
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,039
Uh but the only difference is that that

443
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was for the front now they're requesting

444
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entire building

445
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3 35%.

446
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,039
So with that and with a stipulation

447
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under that same section of ordinance

448
00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:49,840
number 785,

449
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staff recommends that uh the planning

450
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commission approves the requested

451
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deviation from the exterior facade

452
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,640
requirement to allowing

453
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exterior consisting of approximately 35%

454
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:06,000
machinery and 65% edible siding subject

455
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,200
to the architectural elevations that is

456
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provided and I think that was the Second

457
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slide.

458
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The applicant is here. He may answer any

459
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,960
questions that

460
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,350
uh may not answer.

461
00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:35,440
The HUD dealt with the senior

462
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,480
living area or development. It's part of

463
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,960
the Windmir and and all of it. Is that

464
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correct?

465
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:42,480
>> Correct.

466
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,159
>> This would be consistent without that

467
00:22:44,159 --> 00:22:46,080
develop within that development.

468
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:51,750
>> Correct.

469
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,679
» I'll note that we I mean the 85% is pos

470
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partly

471
00:22:59,919 --> 00:23:06,400
it's visual and maintenance issue.

472
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,640
>> And

473
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,440
this is one of your build Yeah. And it's

474
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,080
gonna it's going to remain privately

475
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,760
owned.

476
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,679
Uh probably Miss Meek's going to

477
00:23:17,679 --> 00:23:19,760
continue owning it. Uh so the

478
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,000
maintenance issue is his and and it's a

479
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,559
big enough track there'll be

480
00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:30,080
organized maintenance of it.

481
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,200
>> Well, they're going to maintain the

482
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,640
ownership. They don't go to

483
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:33,360
>> Right.

484
00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:35,200
>> people living. [snorts]

485
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,320
>> Yeah. It's my understanding that you're going to maintain ownership,

486
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,360
right?

487
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:42,080
Okay. [snorts] Uh,

488
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,000
and Hardy Board has got a good

489
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,270
reputation.

490
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:54,390
I would It's going to be a consistent

491
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,070
facility.

492
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,080
» Sorry, we sucker you into saying more.

493
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,799
We make [laughter] you get up.

494
00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:04,240
>> Tony Meek, I need to give my address.

495
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,240
Y'all still do that? 215 North Riverside

496
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,480
Drive and more. So that is our morph

497
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,720
facility. We've got one in Shaunie, one

498
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,880
in Noble, and of course one being built

499
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,200
here. Um the picture on the left is me

500
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,880
actually just kind of outside my window

501
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,120
taking a picture of [clears throat] so

502
00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:20,559
all these [snorts] buildings in the

503
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:22,720
configuration. It's not like a row of

504
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,480
houses where you just see that front

505
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,640
elevation. You see all sides as the

506
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,159
tenants are. And so that's why we want

507
00:24:28,159 --> 00:24:31,919
the uniformity also because it's not it

508
00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:34,960
it's a little goofy if you got all you

509
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,720
know four sides are seen by four other

510
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,720
buildings and one's inconsistent with

511
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,799
the other and it's a little hodge podgey

512
00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:43,120
and so this is how we've been doing it

513
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:45,360
and tenants love it. Maintenance is all

514
00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:48,080
ours. It's this is rental. No no no

515
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,080
maintenance required for the tenants.

516
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,600
>> I'm comfortable with it. Does anybody

517
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:54,000
have any?

518
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,760
>> So, so the last time we made this

519
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,320
exception on three and six was after the

520
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:58,960
fact.

521
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,240
>> Yeah, that's what my question is. Like,

522
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,840
how do we agree to a pud that we agreed

523
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:02,960
to one thing and then we're making

524
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:03,600
exceptions?

525
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:04,960
>> We've already made an exception, right?

526
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,000
Remember, because they already put it

527
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:06,400
up.

528
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:06,720
>> Yeah.

529
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:07,840
>> And they came back asked for

530
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,760
forgiveness.

531
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,880
>> At least this time they're asking for,

532
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:13,440
>> right?

533
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:14,080
>> Yeah.

534
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,669
>> Uh

535
00:25:17,679 --> 00:25:19,360
I'm just saying that's what happened.

536
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,520
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's why we got to that

537
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,919
part. I didn't remember that part.

538
00:25:23,919 --> 00:25:26,400
>> Yep. That's how it happened.

539
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,080
>> I don't think I was here for that part.

540
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:28,559
>> No,

541
00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:29,520
>> I wasn't here for that [clears throat]

542
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,520
part either.

543
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:32,720
>> Probably means I wasn't either.

544
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:33,120
>> Yeah.

545
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,039
>> Okay.

546
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:36,159
>> You're responsible.

547
00:25:36,159 --> 00:25:39,990
>> Yeah. [laughter]

548
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,720
» Uh I'll make a motion at this point that

549
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,480
we recommend this

550
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,720
amendment to the bud for this section

551
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,640
>> for the senior leading section. Section

552
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,480
five. Is that what it is?

553
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,919
>> Section seven.

554
00:25:55,919 --> 00:25:58,000
Okay. Yeah. For section

555
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,679
seven.

556
00:25:59,679 --> 00:26:01,279
And

557
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:03,279
>> are there going to be more?

558
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:04,640
>> I think that's all the land that's

559
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:05,120
there, isn't it?

560
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:07,760
>> Yeah, that would be it.

561
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,760
>> U

562
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,480
that's my motion.

563
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,240
>> It's not an amendment to the PUD. It

564
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,919
just is because this is written in

565
00:26:15,919 --> 00:26:17,679
section seven. So, it's not actually

566
00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:19,600
amending the PUD. I just wanted to make

567
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,039
that clear. What are we doing if we're

568
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:22,400
not amending the PUD?

569
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,120
>> It is allowed in the PUD. They wrote it

570
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:28,000
in the PUD under special provisions that

571
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,520
they can go forward to planning

572
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,360
commission and city council for any

573
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:34,240
exception to the facade.

574
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,960
They wrote it in the PUD to do this

575
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,200
process to before planning commission

576
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,880
and city council.

577
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,600
>> So that way original issues.

578
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:44,880
>> No. Yeah. No.

579
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,200
>> All the notice issues for ped

580
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,480
>> that way they don't have to go out

581
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,000
again. Right.

582
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,919
They just come to you guys.

583
00:26:51,919 --> 00:26:54,159
>> City council.

584
00:26:54,159 --> 00:26:57,120
>> We were that smart.

585
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:58,240
>> Pretty neat trick.

586
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,840
>> Yeah.

587
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,760
>> So, they are here and I recommend we

588
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,440
approve

589
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,320
these provisions for

590
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,679
section

591
00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:12,950
>> seven.

592
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,720
And this is this one you already have,

593
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,240
right? You already own that and more.

594
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:24,789
You said

595
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:26,000
if they want to do it. And this is the

596
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,279
last section. We don't have any more

597
00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:27,760
sections of

598
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:38,950
>> Windermir.

599
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,159
» I'm sorry.

600
00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:41,679
>> Yeah, but there's no They're already

601
00:27:41,679 --> 00:27:43,919
being built.

602
00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:44,559
>> Yeah, they are.

603
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:46,000
>> There's still There's still structures

604
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:53,750
to be built.

605
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,240
Oh, you're talking about it's a it's the

606
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,360
plat phase. It's this is the the

607
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:02,080
sections in the PUB, but you're right.

608
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,840
That's section five and seven of the

609
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,559
plat.

610
00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:09,440
>> Yeah.

611
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,539
>> Thank you.

612
00:28:12,539 --> 00:28:15,804
>> [clears throat]

613
00:28:15,814 --> 00:28:18,950
[cough]

614
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:29,029
» Yeah, it's hardy as well.

615
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:31,200
» I'm not too much of a fan of the

616
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,240
exception because of its location next

617
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,760
to the park and northwest 16th and how

618
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,840
it's not

619
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,279
connected to windmill

620
00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:46,159
there. And

621
00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:48,000
you know, I I think the you know, we've

622
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,520
made exceptions in the past on the

623
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,760
facade and

624
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,240
um

625
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,600
I think that because of this one's

626
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,720
frontage and location and

627
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,760
visibility to the public,

628
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,840
I I'm more on the fence of making sure

629
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,880
that it stays with the city's

630
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,919
85% requirement.

631
00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:14,640
>> I'll throw out the

632
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,640
because it's separated like you say from

633
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,005
the other parts of Windemir

634
00:29:20,005 --> 00:29:20,640
[laughter]

635
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,640
it's facade

636
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,799
seen from the road into the park be more

637
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:30,799
consistent this way than if we have

638
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:32,720
a different ratio on the front and a

639
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,159
different ratio on the sides because

640
00:29:36,159 --> 00:29:39,440
these buildings are not all oriented

641
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,200
toward the road Right.

642
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,720
>> And that's kind of what I was thinking.

643
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,600
This this would give this development

644
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:48,960
>> you're saying that the value of

645
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,039
uniformity having a Wayne's coat around

646
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,120
the perimeter rather than this side

647
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,360
masonry, this side Hardy and this side.

648
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,679
>> Yeah.

649
00:29:57,679 --> 00:30:00,000
>> And and I and it just looks like in the

650
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:00,880
pictures there.

651
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,120
>> Yeah. It's a pretty

652
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,710
>> desirable

653
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,120
one of the nicest facilities and more

654
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,350
definity

655
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,440
package everything

656
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,320
consistency. This is a very nice

657
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:23,110
facility.

658
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:30,549
Yeah. And I never [snorts] came before

659
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:40,870
certain sections of it, but I've never

660
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,870
» somebody took care of it.

661
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,320
» My point is,

662
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:46,960
>> it's all right.

663
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,240
>> I mean,

664
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,520
>> those things happen sometimes.

665
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,960
>> Oh, here's my take on this. If this was

666
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,760
going to be sold to individuals, I would

667
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,559
100% be against this.

668
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:01,120
What?

669
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,240
>> I would because I feel like that that

670
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,919
Hardy board, it may be a good product,

671
00:31:05,919 --> 00:31:07,200
but it's not going to be as good as

672
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,039
brick.

673
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:11,840
>> It's not.

674
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,600
>> So, in my mind, it comes down to the

675
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,440
fact that this is all going to be owned

676
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,320
by one group is the only reason that I'm

677
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,960
considering it.

678
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,440
And and this aesthetic comment is

679
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:32,310
relevant.

680
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,159
Well, and I really made the motion based

681
00:31:34,159 --> 00:31:38,240
on the fact that of aesthetics more than

682
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,559
durability because it is going to be

683
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:43,279
under a management group and it's a big

684
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:46,880
enough group that it'll

685
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,159
reasonably be continue to be maintained.

686
00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:50,720
It's not like

687
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,000
>> that's my deal. I didn't want it falling

688
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,279
on the senior citizens that are going to

689
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:55,840
be living there to have to repaint every

690
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,000
>> 10 And if you just brick it, you don't

691
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:58,960
have to do any of that.

692
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,320
>> Yeah. Then that's how we got to the

693
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,519
brick in part.

694
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,559
>> We had this conversation more than once.

695
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:05,760
>> That's what I was saying. The point that

696
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,279
we've decided in the putt already and

697
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:08,480
now we're going to revert it and we've

698
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,760
done it more than once.

699
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,600
>> Yeah.

700
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,669
the

701
00:32:15,679 --> 00:32:20,789
but I for a

702
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:25,190
senior

703
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,919
living development

704
00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:29,600
I mean they're going to be I think are

705
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,679
fourplexes and six plexes aren't they?

706
00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:33,120
Yeah, four six and I don't know if we

707
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,039
have any eightlexes in this one, but

708
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,760
yeah, fourlex

709
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,880
one we've had for just about 10 years.

710
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:48,287
We haven't had to do any

711
00:32:48,297 --> 00:32:53,990
[clears throat]

712
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,157
» can I move in? Sorry, I didn't.

713
00:32:56,157 --> 00:33:00,789
[laughter]

714
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:03,362
» I can qualify.

715
00:33:03,362 --> 00:33:04,880
[snorts] Well, I'm going to leave my

716
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,320
motion out there.

717
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,760
Don't draw a second. Somebody else is

718
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,039
going to have to make one,

719
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:25,350
which is perfectly all right.

720
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:26,559
a second.

721
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:28,799
>> I'm thinking about it. How long have I

722
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:29,919
got?

723
00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:36,310
>> I don't know. [laughter]

724
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,360
» I'll second it.

725
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,360
>> I have a motion and second to recommend

726
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,200
approval

727
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,000
for this

728
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:51,430
these

729
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:56,080
» what? The Grove. Yeah, the Grove U

730
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,200
in favor signify with raised hand

731
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:06,630
three prov

732
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,863
I said no.

733
00:34:08,863 --> 00:34:09,520
[snorts]

734
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:33,190
>> Thank you.

735
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,359
Item 10 is discussion of de on

736
00:34:35,359 --> 00:34:37,040
development code update regarding

737
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,040
chapter 153 subdivisions. Chapter 1454

738
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,480
planning and zoning.

739
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,480
Chapter 155 sign regulations.

740
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,159
>> What did we already approve today

741
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:53,839
>> for this?

742
00:34:53,839 --> 00:34:56,480
>> What what other have we approved in the

743
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,079
past? We approved something already,

744
00:34:58,079 --> 00:34:59,440
right? other chapters.

745
00:34:59,440 --> 00:34:59,839
>> Yes.

746
00:34:59,839 --> 00:35:00,640
>> Yeah.

747
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,119
>> Oh, nothing has been approved yet. The

748
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:04,000
only thing we

749
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,760
>> this, but we did some other chapters and

750
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,079
we've added languages on other,

751
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:08,800
>> right?

752
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,480
>> So, well, we've done ordinance

753
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,079
amendments, but you might be thinking of

754
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:13,760
the comprehensive plan.

755
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,720
>> Now, we're not talking about the

756
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:15,520
comprehensive plan.

757
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,520
>> We we looked at the first draft.

758
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:17,760
>> Yeah.

759
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,520
>> Oh, this is still the same thing

760
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:20,079
document.

761
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:22,880
>> Same document. This is the final draft

762
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,960
of So what this is is final draft for

763
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,800
the development code update which is

764
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,400
chapter 153 subdivision regulations 154

765
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,200
the zoning code and 155 the sign

766
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:35,680
regulations.

767
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:36,880
>> And how many of those have we've already

768
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,760
been through in detail?

769
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,079
>> Okay.

770
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:42,079
>> Well the zoning you guys had not in

771
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:46,720
detail you guys yeah not in detail had we've had stakeholder meetings. I

772
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:49,359
have um staff and Friezen Nichols who's

773
00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:52,079
our consultants um and who are well

774
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:54,480
known for doing zoning code update

775
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,480
subdivision sign development code

776
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,119
regulations for a lot of cities big

777
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:02,480
small Oklahoma region um but they are

778
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,920
consultants and we've been working with

779
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,000
them for the last almost three years on

780
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,000
this project um so it's a rewrite of

781
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,200
each one of these chapters so after we

782
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,400
adopted the comprehensive plan that was

783
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,160
the next step is to update our

784
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,320
regulations. So, this is why we're

785
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,079
updating the code is to implement the

786
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:24,960
Newcastle 2040 comprehensive plan. Um,

787
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,240
reflect the current planning and

788
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,720
engineering best practices, improve

789
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:30,880
feasibility for residents and staff and

790
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,800
developers, provide predictable

791
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,480
development standards, and protect

792
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,240
community character while accommodating

793
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,560
future growth. So, that's the whole

794
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,320
thing, the basis on why doing this

795
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,640
update. This is just a little project

796
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,240
overview on um the process. We did the

797
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:49,119
uh code diagnostic and then the draft

798
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,079
code development and then the code

799
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:53,839
refinement and adoption. So this is

800
00:36:53,839 --> 00:36:55,359
where we are right here. Like I said,

801
00:36:55,359 --> 00:36:57,040
we've been working on this since August

802
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,000
23 and we're right here right before our

803
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,720
adoption.

804
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:06,800
Um, so the comprehensive plan identified

805
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,240
that vision, the um, diagnostic report,

806
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,079
which I included in that initial email

807
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:13,760
when I sent you the first two chapters

808
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,920
of the zoning code and the sign code

809
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,839
with the development uh, or the

810
00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:19,839
diagnostic report. And then we're

811
00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:21,839
getting into the implementing the vision

812
00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:23,760
through the update.

813
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,359
>> What's the diagnostic report?

814
00:37:25,359 --> 00:37:26,160
>> The diagnostic

815
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,760
>> I read some of it and I couldn't figure

816
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:28,160
out.

817
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,160
>> Okay. So that's where they basically

818
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,800
it's kind of a planning jargon where

819
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,560
they look at everything in our code

820
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,680
current and look identify any barriers

821
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,599
whether it's administrative whether it's

822
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:42,960
for develop developers processes

823
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,599
um inconsistencies in the code kind of

824
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:47,200
one example that I like to think about

825
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,280
is how we have accessory buildings and

826
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,960
secondary buildings and [clears throat]

827
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,119
the two different definitions and how

828
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:55,440
you can only have a 1500 foot accessory

829
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,359
building but if you have a secondary

830
00:37:57,359 --> 00:37:59,920
building it can be 25 ft and over 1,000

831
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,000
square feet. So, you know, but there's a

832
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,680
little bit different setbacks in how you

833
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,079
administer those. And so, we're trying

834
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:08,880
to take out things that can be confusing

835
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,680
not only to staff that has to implement

836
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,800
these uh regulations and but also to

837
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,800
obviously our residents, our the

838
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,200
community. So, some of the things and I

839
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,800
I'll I'll just kind of run through this.

840
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,119
somebody uh Frieza Nichols helped me put

841
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:26,240
this together with the um going by what

842
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,079
our comprehensive plan goals are

843
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:30,000
preserving Newcastle's rural identity

844
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,640
and while accommodating future growth.

845
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,480
So we have um taken our for instance our

846
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,960
we have our agriculture district our

847
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,200
residential rural and our residential

848
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,599
estate districts um with purpose

849
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:46,079
statements that directly implement um

850
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:48,240
implement the future land use map.

851
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:50,320
maintains appropriate lot sizes and

852
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,960
development patterns. Um requiring

853
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,200
transitioning and buffering between a

854
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,960
and residential and commercial

855
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,119
preserving open space but encouraging

856
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:01,040
growth in appropriate locations while

857
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,119
minimizing kind of conflicts between

858
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:05,280
urban and rural land uses. A lot of this

859
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,280
comes though down to as you know what

860
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,280
guides our growth and where it can

861
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,200
happen is our infrastructure where we

862
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,400
have available infrastructure. So, you

863
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,400
know, where we don't have sewer, those

864
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,839
are going to be the the where you're

865
00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:19,200
going to have your large lot

866
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,359
development. So, trying to keep our

867
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:23,040
infrastructure

868
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,720
um

869
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:29,760
localized and prevent a lot of sprawl.

870
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,680
>> Let me ask one thing and this is just

871
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,760
because I've got paragraph by paragraph.

872
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,760
U

873
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,079
egg

874
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:42,880
the tables of 154

875
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,520
>> which for the record I'm not a fan of

876
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,960
but doesn't make any difference but an

877
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,480
egg

878
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,720
agriculture is agricultural use is a

879
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:56,710
special use

880
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:59,440
you mentioned egg here

881
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,760
retaining it [clears throat] why did

882
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:02,960
they do that or did they

883
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,119
>> shouldn't be a special use it's are you

884
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:08,240
talking about for the use of um uh

885
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:09,520
animals,

886
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,040
>> animals,

887
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:11,599
agriculture,

888
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:13,280
>> all that should be permitted. It should

889
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,040
all be permitted. It should all have a

890
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,440
P. So if it doesn't go through this,

891
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,280
>> then we can we can Yeah, we can

892
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,839
definitely look at it. Um looking at

893
00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:24,320
different housing opportunities for

894
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,160
different life stages, incomes, and

895
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,200
household styles. These are all goals in

896
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,040
our comprehensive plan. And so the

897
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,280
development code implementation

898
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,320
introduces um cottage courts as new

899
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,040
neighborhood housing op options. Um

900
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,280
allowing accessory dwelling units for

901
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,920
multi-generational living. Expanding

902
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,680
opportunities for town homes and

903
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,119
duplexes, tiny homes. um creating a

904
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:51,440
broader range of residential districts

905
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,240
with updated dimensional standards and

906
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:56,160
flexibility um while maintaining

907
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,599
compatibility with surrounding

908
00:40:57,599 --> 00:40:59,760
neighborhoods through use specific

909
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,839
standards.

910
00:41:01,839 --> 00:41:04,720
Another goal is um creating attractive

911
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:07,599
developments that reinforces Newcastle's

912
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:09,760
identity establishing new architectural

913
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,920
design standards for non-residential and

914
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,560
multifamily development. Those are two

915
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,160
areas where we can commercial

916
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,160
development multif family have ability

917
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:23,520
to regulate facades um and bulk on on

918
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,160
different lots creating landscaping

919
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,520
requirements um really increasing our

920
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,920
landscaping requirements for commercial

921
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,920
not residential but commercial which

922
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,560
would be including multifamily. So

923
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,800
anytime multifamily permits come in it's

924
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,640
then under a commercial building permit.

925
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,280
It's not single family. not one or two

926
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,640
family um modern outdoor lighting

927
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,480
standards. So for um our our current

928
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,160
lighting standards for commercial

929
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,920
properties just basically says you have

930
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,760
to illuminate your parking lot and

931
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,480
prevent glare. Now we're going to say

932
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,599
you have to provide us a phototric plan.

933
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:03,440
All lights have to be full cut off

934
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,000
fixtures for commercial properties. It

935
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,920
can't be beyond a certain can't

936
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,920
illuminate beyond your property line at

937
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,800
a certain foot handle. Um, and they have

938
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,200
to submit those cut sheets and show us

939
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,599
what they're going to be using for uh

940
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:20,000
their exterior lighting.

941
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,359
Before [clears throat]

942
00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:23,440
jump back one to where we've got our

943
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,630
cottage

944
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,839
cottages and tiny homes

945
00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:35,520
>> and residential are

946
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,359
>> integrated residential integrated

947
00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:42,960
>> and I think our are

948
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:49,190
they were

949
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,920
there's duplexes and triplexes provided.

950
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,319
And then we get to the cottage homes,

951
00:42:58,319 --> 00:43:00,560
the tiny homes

952
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,750
and

953
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,599
accessory

954
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,480
residents, residential accessory

955
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,440
buildings,

956
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,960
>> accessory dwelling units.

957
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:16,870
>> Yeah. And

958
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,079
aren't those just basically multiplex

959
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:21,839
buildings?

960
00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:23,359
>> With a lot less words, we could have

961
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:25,680
just back there in residential allowed

962
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,400
multiplex buildings.

963
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,079
>> Well, they are different because the

964
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:33,200
well like multifamily is usually well

965
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,040
can be attached apartment buildings, you

966
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,280
know, a cottage cottage garden. uh would

967
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,760
more be like two or three, four, think

968
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,720
of quad, you know, a quad unit together

969
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:49,440
and having, you know, shared outdoor uh

970
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,839
garden area, you know, um tiny homes or

971
00:43:53,839 --> 00:43:56,560
ADUs are really going to be standalone.

972
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,240
They're not going to be attached and

973
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:01,280
ADUs allowing, we get a lot of that.

974
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,119
That's another we get a lot of people

975
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:06,240
coming in. I want my my mother-in-law

976
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:08,640
suite. I want a accessory dwelling unit.

977
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,200
I want aging in place. I want my kids to

978
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,920
be able to, you know, live near me so

979
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,440
they can take care of me on my five

980
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,800
acres and I want to have another, you

981
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,200
know, house there, um, without having to

982
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,040
reszone and, you know, split the

983
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,440
property and do that. So, allowing them

984
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,760
by right in certain zoning districts to

985
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,079
allow that. You still have to have your

986
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:31,760
lot area and you still have to meet your

987
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,000
setback regulations. And then the

988
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,400
accessory dwelling unit puts a limit to

989
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,480
be accessory. I think that we're at 800

990
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,600
ft is the maximum that you can have. So,

991
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,440
[clears throat] I mean, you can't,

992
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,160
>> but it would allow autonomy and somebody

993
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,000
to have full dwelling. You know, right

994
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,000
now we tell them, well, you can have a

995
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,240
studio, but you can't have a kitchen.

996
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:56,319
You can have, you know, and so when

997
00:44:56,319 --> 00:44:57,680
they're like, well, can we have a cook

998
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,760
top? Can we have a convent, you know, a

999
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,200
convection oven? So, it makes it more

1000
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,040
and more people are coming in and asking

1001
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,800
for this. That's long overdue.

1002
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,640
>> Yeah. So, that's that's another thing

1003
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:13,520
that really um is going to allow that

1004
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,160
our comprehensive plan goal to more

1005
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,079
affordable housing, different types of

1006
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:22,560
housing sty styles and types. Um to

1007
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,550
bring that into fruition.

1008
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,800
Um

1009
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,640
okay. Support business growth while

1010
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,520
maintaining development quality. So, um

1011
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,520
modernizing our commercial mixed use

1012
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,760
zoning districts uh to better reflect

1013
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,000
today's development patterns. A

1014
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,160
simplified use table. I know that it's

1015
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,640
hard to get used to and staff and I we

1016
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,680
have gone over the use table many times

1017
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,240
and um

1018
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:52,880
it is I think that is going to be really

1019
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,359
nice to be able to use that have that

1020
00:45:55,359 --> 00:45:57,760
use table especially not just for the

1021
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,480
planners and staff but for our residents

1022
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,720
for our community. It's it's easy to go

1023
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:04,880
through at first. You have to spend some

1024
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,960
time looking at it, but I think it

1025
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,240
really uh clarifies what's permitted. Um

1026
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:12,319
it also adds in our parking requirement

1027
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:13,760
as well, so you're not going to a

1028
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,880
different section looking for that. Um

1029
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,920
the review process and procedures are

1030
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,960
updated, more flexibility, updated

1031
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,960
parking standards, um aligned

1032
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,800
development regulations with future

1033
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,200
commercial corridors identified in our

1034
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,599
comprehensive plan.

1035
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:34,079
Another goal is connected community safe

1036
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:35,572
transportation opions

1037
00:46:35,572 --> 00:46:36,720
[clears throat and cough] and efficient

1038
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:39,920
infrastructure. Um requiring more

1039
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,680
interconnected street networks. Um

1040
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,319
limits unnecessary culde-sacs by

1041
00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:48,720
promoting future street connection

1042
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:51,040
sidewalks and new developments except in

1043
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,119
rural districts where appropriate. They

1044
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:54,800
won't be in a they're not going to be in

1045
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,200
our our estate district. um uh standard

1046
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,000
street classifications um pedestrian

1047
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,160
facilities and some low impact

1048
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,800
development options

1049
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,599
with improved drainage standards and

1050
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:12,319
coordinated utility extensions and park

1051
00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:16,319
and trail dedications requirements.

1052
00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:19,760
So implementing the diagnostic report um

1053
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,400
the findings from that report because

1054
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,000
you were asking some of that stuff that

1055
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,640
they found is information spread across

1056
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,720
multiple ordinances repetitive and

1057
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:31,359
outdated provisions. It's difficult for

1058
00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:33,280
applicants and staff to locate some of

1059
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,240
the requirements and limited graphics um

1060
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:38,960
with some inconsistent formatting. So

1061
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,280
it's or reorganized into three

1062
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,760
coordinated ordinances consist

1063
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,680
consistent chapter organization and

1064
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,599
numbering. We wanted to keep everything

1065
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:50,079
consistent with the current chapters and

1066
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:53,440
we worked really hard to make sure

1067
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,319
especially in residential more so than

1068
00:47:56,319 --> 00:47:58,960
anything um with our districts that we

1069
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:03,520
will not have any um there won't be um

1070
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,040
nonconformities

1071
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,200
created by the adoption of the new uh

1072
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,720
designations.

1073
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:13,920
So it'll it'll take everything in that's

1074
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,720
already current and there will not be

1075
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:18,640
non-conforming lots like we have. In

1076
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,960
fact, by doing this, we probably will

1077
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,000
have more conformity on some lots except

1078
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,800
a because a stay in five acres. So if

1079
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,960
you have a 1acre a lot, you're

1080
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,119
inconsistent. But anyway, um so modern

1081
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:35,200
formatting with tables, consolidated

1082
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,200
development standards into dedicated

1083
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,000
chapters, comprehensive definitions and

1084
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,920
cross references.

1085
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,319
Some do zoning districts uh no longer

1086
00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:46,000
reflect the desired pattern of

1087
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,240
development and regulations lack some

1088
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:50,079
clear connection and adopted planning

1089
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:52,720
policies. So the new code, every

1090
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:54,720
district includes a purpose statement

1091
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:57,520
tied to the future land use map. The new

1092
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,280
zoning districts and standards support

1093
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:00,960
community vision established in the

1094
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,040
comprehensive plan and the updated

1095
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,240
subdivision and site design standards

1096
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:08,000
reinforce the long-term growth

1097
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,000
objectives.

1098
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,920
So some of the other findings was

1099
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,240
limited housing options, outdated land

1100
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:16,240
use classifications and development

1101
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:18,160
patterns that don't reflect current

1102
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,839
market needs. And that's where it comes

1103
00:49:19,839 --> 00:49:21,839
in where I kind of started this off

1104
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:24,240
about cottage courts, ADUs, town homes

1105
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:26,800
and tiny homes. modernized commercial

1106
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,880
and mixed use districts and updated

1107
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,680
table with consistent regulations.

1108
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,880
Some of the other uh diagnostic findings

1109
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,280
were site development requirements were

1110
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,920
in inconsistent limited landscaping

1111
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,640
design standards and there was few

1112
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,119
regulations addressing compatibility

1113
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:50,640
between land uses. So now we have beefed

1114
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,800
up our landscaping, outdoor lighting,

1115
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,720
architecture, outdoor lighting for

1116
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:56,640
commercial. Mind you, that doesn't apply

1117
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,400
to residential

1118
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,960
um architecture, parking, screening,

1119
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,800
infield development, and performance

1120
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,960
standards.

1121
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,119
>> Back up one, I want you to elaborate

1122
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:09,200
just a little bit on that. I apologize.

1123
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,559
I haven't read nearly as much as I

1124
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:10,960
should.

1125
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:11,440
>> That's okay.

1126
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,880
>> Your regulations addressing

1127
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,960
compatibility between land uses. Would

1128
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,520
you like to expand upon that about a

1129
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:18,000
little bit?

1130
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,040
>> Um you what they really mean by those

1131
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,400
seven words.

1132
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,640
>> So,

1133
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,760
I'll use our our um maybe our a

1134
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,000
development and um non-conforming lots

1135
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,440
incompatibility between some land uses.

1136
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,160
Put me on the spot here.

1137
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,760
>> Yeah. Put me on the spot. I knew I was

1138
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,200
going to get put on the spot question. I

1139
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:42,000
just didn't ask.

1140
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,559
>> Yeah. [laughter]

1141
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:45,760
>> Um

1142
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,359
>> and you can answer it later. I don't

1143
00:50:47,359 --> 00:50:48,559
have to have it right now. I'd rather

1144
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:49,119
have

1145
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:50,559
>> Let me let me think about that. I

1146
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:52,559
appreciate that. Let me think about some

1147
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:54,400
of that. I went through that and I

1148
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,000
thought, okay, how am I going to answer

1149
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,680
some of these? And you got me. So, let

1150
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,440
me let me think about that one.

1151
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,520
>> Okay.

1152
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,960
>> Um, some of the review procedures and

1153
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,200
approval responsibilities and

1154
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,520
inconsistent application requirements. I

1155
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:10,880
explained one of them about the

1156
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,000
secondary and accessory structures. Some

1157
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,880
of the stuff. Okay. So even in agg we

1158
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,040
have landscaping requirements currently

1159
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,520
in our zoning district. We don't I mean

1160
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,280
we have the tree requirement but we're

1161
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,720
not making people we have to kind of go

1162
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:28,960
that should not apply here you know

1163
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,119
we're not making people put in 5% of

1164
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:34,319
landscaping when they come in and do a

1165
00:51:34,319 --> 00:51:37,440
single family house you know so

1166
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,760
>> that's some of the inconsistencies in

1167
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:40,800
that that's one example

1168
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,280
>> that's one I'd like one I want some more

1169
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,319
I will

1170
00:51:44,319 --> 00:51:47,680
>> okay um so

1171
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,760
>> identifying that those type of things

1172
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,440
and and then coming up with some more

1173
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,760
standard application procedures and

1174
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,240
requirements which you all know that um

1175
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:59,760
and since the last remind me was it 24

1176
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,079
so two years we've been on MGO correct

1177
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:06,000
Kathy so when we went to MGO um my

1178
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,760
government online you know all of our

1179
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,000
>> permitting online not for for our zoning

1180
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,839
and reszoning and board of adjustment

1181
00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:16,160
but all of our building permits all

1182
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,000
building permits are done online flood

1183
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,960
plane permits are done online new uh

1184
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,381
driveway permits. So single

1185
00:52:23,381 --> 00:52:24,720
[clears throat] anything if they if you

1186
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:26,319
came in for a building permit, you're

1187
00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:29,040
doing it through MGO. Um that's helped

1188
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,359
us quite a bit, but we still have to

1189
00:52:31,359 --> 00:52:35,200
administer the regulation in that. So um

1190
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,160
I feel like I've gotten really good

1191
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,040
feedback on I mean for most people, you

1192
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,640
know, and if somebody doesn't have a

1193
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,160
computer or can't do it, we have one in

1194
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,559
the office and they can do it right

1195
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:49,920
there. So, um, that's been part part of

1196
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,920
this whole update for Newcastle. Um, so

1197
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,040
we've got, uh, authority approval

1198
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,440
tables, updated appeals and relief

1199
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,240
procedures, and improved administrative

1200
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:05,040
review processes.

1201
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,160
So, key element, chapter 153,

1202
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:09,119
subdivisions. And

1203
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:10,319
>> this the one we've already been in,

1204
00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:13,119
right? 1534

1205
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:14,240
>> 54.

1206
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:16,720
>> Yeah, this is subdivision. So, we've got

1207
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:19,280
an updated procedure for the sketch plat

1208
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,680
through the final plat standardized

1209
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,400
application requirements, abbreviated

1210
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,040
plat and deed approval process for minor

1211
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,559
subdivisions.

1212
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:30,960
Um, defined uh authorities and

1213
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,079
development review team responsibilities

1214
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:37,119
and alternate compliance and waiver

1215
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:39,520
procedures to provide some flexibility

1216
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,319
while maintaining ordinance intent. So

1217
00:53:42,319 --> 00:53:44,640
pre-application what we kind of do we we

1218
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,480
are following this right now. People

1219
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,720
come they say hey I want to talk to you

1220
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:51,040
about how I'm going to do this 10 acres

1221
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:55,040
on Highway 76 and what can I do? I want

1222
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,359
to do a commercial development. So we

1223
00:53:57,359 --> 00:53:59,280
bring them in and have them kind of

1224
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,200
bring in a site plan. We look at the

1225
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,359
current zoning. We look at what their

1226
00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:06,160
proposal is and walk them through. Okay,

1227
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:06,960
you're [clears throat] going to have to

1228
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,720
do a subdivision. You're going to have

1229
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:10,880
to do a reszoning to a pud. You have to

1230
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,480
make this uh both these applications

1231
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,079
will go forward at the same time and

1232
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:17,680
given the parameters and kind of what

1233
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,640
the approval plat review staff

1234
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,160
assessment of their resoning request and

1235
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,800
then the notice procedure and what has

1236
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,119
to happen for that to come to fruition

1237
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:31,440
for them for the reasonzoning. And a lot

1238
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,280
of times and I will have people I had

1239
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,440
somebody come in that wanted to do a

1240
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:36,960
development on Main Street and they

1241
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,960
wanted to do industrial right on Main

1242
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,359
Street and

1243
00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:43,680
>> was like well staff is not going to make

1244
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,720
you it is their right oh you anybody has

1245
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:50,000
a right to request type of reasonzoning

1246
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,400
it means right and so then that's why we

1247
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,319
have that land use map and I look at it

1248
00:54:54,319 --> 00:54:56,000
and I go well you see that red right

1249
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,640
there it says commercial it doesn't have

1250
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,280
the the gray it's not industrial Our

1251
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,160
land use map, our policy guide says we

1252
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,000
kind of we want to develop our main

1253
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,640
street and our frontages as industrial.

1254
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,160
We don't want

1255
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:11,040
>> commercial.

1256
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,000
>> Sorry. As commercial. Thank you, sir.

1257
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,760
>> Thank you. Thank you for that catching

1258
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,720
me. We don't want to ind develop it as

1259
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:20,480
industrial. We don't want many

1260
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,040
warehouses and you know industrial land

1261
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,839
uses on our on our commercial frontages.

1262
00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:28,000
So that happens. So then I tell them and

1263
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,240
they go well okay maybe we won't do that

1264
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:32,400
we'll come back with something else and

1265
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,079
then we say hey okay planning commission

1266
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:39,520
and then city council and then that's

1267
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,119
the kind of the process that we're

1268
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:43,119
following right now but it it outlines

1269
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:45,839
it very clearly.

1270
00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:48,240
So standards for lot layout, block

1271
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:50,720
design and street connectivity, updated

1272
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:52,960
standards for street hierarchy, block

1273
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,880
lengths and street design requiring

1274
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,200
sidewalks, pedestrian connections,

1275
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,920
street trees were appropriate, and

1276
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:02,400
improved access management to support

1277
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,559
safer streets of future connectivity.

1278
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:06,559
Our street widths have not changed.

1279
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:08,160
We're not changing, we're not reducing

1280
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,000
our local

1281
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,720
uh or um collector. for not reducing

1282
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:17,280
those street sizes. Why I'm on that and

1283
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,760
know you'll see coming up in zoning. We

1284
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,680
haven't changed our minimum lot area

1285
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,160
requirement for RF1. The things that I

1286
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,960
know that are important to planning

1287
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,799
commissioners city that I've heard

1288
00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:31,440
overall have have really maintained.

1289
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,720
There's been, you know, movements for

1290
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:37,119
you've heard no parking requirements,

1291
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:39,200
you know, smaller street widths, slow

1292
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,280
down traffic. You know, I know some of

1293
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:42,960
these things and I've been guided by

1294
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,640
council and planning commission, but

1295
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:45,599
that's not something

1296
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:47,280
>> smaller street list. You get lots of

1297
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,200
nonsense about wider streets.

1298
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,160
>> Yeah. Right. I do. I do. We want wider

1299
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,400
streets, but everything is but they've

1300
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,640
all stayed the same. So, that's not been

1301
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,559
any change in that.

1302
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:01,359
>> Um, here you are with the street design

1303
00:57:01,359 --> 00:57:03,520
standards as we were talking about. So,

1304
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,839
everything is basically the same with

1305
00:57:05,839 --> 00:57:10,549
that. um

1306
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:13,920
parks and open spaces um expanded

1307
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,520
requirements. We've had a pretty good

1308
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,839
one because we did an update several

1309
00:57:17,839 --> 00:57:20,559
years ago. I think it was 22 maybe.

1310
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:23,760
Yeah, 22 or 23 where we beefed up our

1311
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,160
parkland dedication requirement and also

1312
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,319
required that fee in lie of basically

1313
00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:31,760
it's staying the same on that. Um, you

1314
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,040
can get really you can get really ind

1315
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,440
depth with amount of parkland and

1316
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,359
improvements, but I think ours is just

1317
00:57:39,359 --> 00:57:40,799
as right now it's

1318
00:57:40,799 --> 00:57:42,160
>> called in the weeds. That's what it's

1319
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:42,559
called. Yeah.

1320
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:44,880
>> Yeah. There you go. Thank you, sir.

1321
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,119
>> But I like too that

1322
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:48,960
the fee is described if they pay the

1323
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,720
fee, it's described right there with it

1324
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:51,680
where that fee goes.

1325
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:52,160
>> That's right.

1326
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:53,359
>> Nobody has to ask the question.

1327
00:57:53,359 --> 00:57:54,960
>> That's right. That's right. And it it

1328
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,559
goes to that park l to that fund. Um,

1329
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:00,480
we've updated some of our technical

1330
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,720
standards, um, you know, for water,

1331
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:07,359
sewer, um, storm water, um, roads,

1332
00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:09,920
improved driveway and access management,

1333
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,640
modern street crosssections, um,

1334
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,119
improved sidewalk design standards.

1335
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:18,160
Basically, inquiring requiring a little

1336
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,200
bit more sidewalk widths on some lecture

1337
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,280
streets and where it's not just the

1338
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,359
sidewalk and giving some real standards

1339
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:28,799
to it. Um, enhanced construction plan uh

1340
00:58:28,799 --> 00:58:31,520
requirements. Also, better drainage and

1341
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,160
utility coordination,

1342
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,440
zoning. So, there's our our

1343
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,119
previous zoning district and the new

1344
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:42,000
zoning district. Um we've got a is

1345
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,359
staying the same. So, E1

1346
00:58:45,359 --> 00:58:50,480
is now the RR and ET1 what we did is we

1347
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,880
took it down from a 2acre requirement

1348
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,680
minimum to a oneacre requirement.

1349
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,559
>> E1 one acre or more.

1350
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:02,160
>> Yep. And then E2 and three, which G2 was

1351
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,680
the one acre and the E3 was the 27,000

1352
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,520
square feet. We took that to RE and that

1353
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,480
now is exactly a half acre instead of

1354
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,400
the 27,000 square feet because we've had

1355
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,720
well, you've seen multiple subdivisions

1356
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,240
come in and they what do they do? they

1357
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,000
end up writing a pud so they can do the

1358
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,119
half acre instead of the 27 because

1359
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:27,040
that's the minimum requirement for

1360
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,880
on-site treatment for your waste

1361
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,000
>> for a ladder field.

1362
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,200
>> Yep.

1363
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,000
>> Um then we've created the the RS is the

1364
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,760
RF1. That's basically a new

1365
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,440
single family residential. Instead of

1366
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,079
calling it RF1, it's RS to follow in

1367
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:45,520
line with the uh abbreviations. And then

1368
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,799
residential integrated takes in your RF2

1369
00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:54,160
three your um R mobile home and then oh

1370
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,480
sorry it only takes in the two and the

1371
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,720
three and then the residential

1372
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,760
multifamily is your mobile home RF

1373
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,880
>> residential integrated is

1374
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:09,040
>> yeah duplexes and RF3 triplexes

1375
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,630
um multi-family

1376
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,480
» cottage is two and three I'm Sorry.

1377
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,000
Yeah. Is it cottages? Yes.

1378
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,520
>> Is tiny homes in that too?

1379
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:18,960
>> That would be in tiny homes,

1380
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,520
manufactured homes

1381
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,559
>> in the resident residential integrated.

1382
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:26,160
>> And what's it? Okay. It doesn't matter

1383
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,520
because they're not they're not two.

1384
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:28,880
They're just one now. Okay.

1385
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,200
>> And then your um mobile home

1386
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:32,880
>> allow mobile homes smaller than five

1387
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,079
acres though, right?

1388
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:36,960
>> Pardon? Unless you're a mobile home park

1389
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:38,480
and you could have a mobile home park.

1390
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,240
Yeah, that's what that's if they want to

1391
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,400
develop a mobile home park. We're

1392
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,880
getting lots of inquiries now because

1393
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,720
you know that everything it's been

1394
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,720
announced the hospital I mean it was in

1395
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,240
the paper they're going to have the

1396
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:51,760
groundbreaking

1397
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,480
you know and they're it's been announced

1398
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,359
and there is a lot of inquiries

1399
01:00:57,359 --> 01:01:00,319
or I want to make an RV park. We had

1400
01:01:00,319 --> 01:01:01,680
several people come in and they just

1401
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,520
want to make an RV park on their land

1402
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,880
and then we go well you have to do this.

1403
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:07,920
You're gonna have to count for your

1404
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,160
storm water. You you have to pave your

1405
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,319
roads. you're gonna have and then they

1406
01:01:12,319 --> 01:01:14,400
realize, oh, it's not just I can't pull

1407
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,599
mobile homes on grass and you know,

1408
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:19,119
>> call it good.

1409
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:20,799
>> I didn't I didn't see the paper article.

1410
01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:22,480
When they start [clears throat] digging,

1411
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:23,119
we know.

1412
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:25,440
>> Um I do not know when they're starting

1413
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:26,160
to dig, but

1414
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:27,520
>> I'm sure I can Google it. I'm sure.

1415
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,280
>> Yeah, they're um

1416
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,200
>> groundbreaking. Friday.

1417
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:31,839
>> Okay.

1418
01:01:31,839 --> 01:01:32,640
>> Oh, this Friday.

1419
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:33,760
>> No, this Friday.

1420
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,680
>> Okay. They're starting on the pharmacy

1421
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,200
first. Are they starting on the pharmacy

1422
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:37,920
first? [cough and clears throat]

1423
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:38,480
Starting on

1424
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,960
>> I don't know that part. I guess the

1425
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,640
hospital hospital.

1426
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,040
>> Well, I know

1427
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:46,880
>> it's like the the actual hospital part

1428
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:48,079
of the hospital.

1429
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:50,079
>> Okay.

1430
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:52,160
>> You're right. They're doing different.

1431
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,799
They have a pharmacy component,

1432
01:01:54,799 --> 01:01:59,040
hospital, ER on I mean the the the plans

1433
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,440
are you know you've heard the mayor talk

1434
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,240
about it in depth and now the nation has

1435
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:05,920
announced it and yeah they've got their

1436
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,119
groundbreaking but since that is known

1437
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:10,960
there are a lot of more development

1438
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,319
inquiries for what can I do with my land

1439
01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:15,760
>> temporary housing. Yeah.

1440
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:16,559
>> What you're talking about.

1441
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:18,880
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1442
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:20,640
>> And and housing is not cheap in this

1443
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,359
part of the world. No, it is not.

1444
01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:28,480
So CN1 and office and are now under

1445
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,119
commercial neighborhood and the C2 and

1446
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:32,960
office 2 is under the commercial

1447
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,599
regional. So basically the the CN1 is

1448
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:40,240
and the the office the light office use

1449
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,480
is commercial neighborhood. Not too much

1450
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,319
change there really at all. Same thing

1451
01:02:44,319 --> 01:02:47,839
with commercial regional for the CC2.

1452
01:02:47,839 --> 01:02:50,079
What we did on the industrial districts

1453
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:54,400
is we the light industrials basically uh

1454
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,280
IIL now same thing but instead of having

1455
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,160
two heavy industrial or a moderate and

1456
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,880
heavy we just made a heavy industrial

1457
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:04,640
district there wasn't that much

1458
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,520
difference between the two maybe very

1459
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,319
little you know but easier just to have

1460
01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:12,799
it and we don't have a lot of IM1

1461
01:03:12,799 --> 01:03:13,680
designation

1462
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,520
>> yeah there's not a lot of purple in that

1463
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,039
covered that

1464
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:20,319
>> and and uh PUD we're allowing um a

1465
01:03:20,319 --> 01:03:22,079
planned unit development. It's a zoning

1466
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:23,839
designation but also a mixeduse

1467
01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:27,750
development as well.

1468
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,079
So this is the table that you'll see now

1469
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:32,559
instead of going through and it it it

1470
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:35,440
spells it out. We have it in a table

1471
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,920
which you get your lot area, your lot

1472
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,400
width, your coverage, your setbacks.

1473
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,960
It's all nicely put into a dimensional

1474
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,359
standards table and then your applicable

1475
01:03:45,359 --> 01:03:47,680
development regulations for your parking

1476
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,680
landscaping if appropriate and any other

1477
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:54,710
ones are found in the sections below.

1478
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,760
Updated use tables um and use base

1479
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,119
standards um land uses allowed by zoning

1480
01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:04,240
district um by right or special permit.

1481
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,520
Minimum parking uh uh ratios are in that

1482
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,079
use table like I said. And then specific

1483
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:12,319
regulations for certain land uses to

1484
01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:15,039
mitigate any adverse development impacts

1485
01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:16,960
and regulations for accessory and

1486
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,039
temporary uses are established. And all

1487
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:21,359
use type definitions are located in that

1488
01:04:21,359 --> 01:04:22,640
definition section.

1489
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,400
>> So your second bullet on that previous

1490
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,400
one is rations. I don't think

1491
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,480
>> I know. I just noticed that that they

1492
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,039
and Ied it when I said it.

1493
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:32,880
>> I [laughter] don't

1494
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,599
give this to the city. Yeah, I will do

1495
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:37,920
any iron. Thank you. I I don't want any

1496
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,400
rations. [laughter]

1497
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,520
Thank you. Um

1498
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,240
so there's the modernized use table. So

1499
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,799
you have all of your zoning districts

1500
01:04:48,799 --> 01:04:52,559
and um and that you are correct. They do

1501
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:55,359
that. This is they must have got this is

1502
01:04:55,359 --> 01:04:57,119
not correct. And I'm sorry I did not

1503
01:04:57,119 --> 01:04:58,880
catch that when I went through this. I

1504
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:02,480
was not looking at the table itself. I

1505
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,799
just looked at the table.

1506
01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:07,599
All of the a operations. Those are

1507
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:11,200
allowed by right the stable.

1508
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,520
So well the feed farm supply would be a

1509
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:15,039
special use if you're going to have like

1510
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:18,319
an a farm supply commercial business and

1511
01:05:18,319 --> 01:05:21,839
a I'll have to go I can go to I want to

1512
01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:25,200
see if that

1513
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,119
>> is that I mean I realize that would be

1514
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:28,880
on agriculture land but that's actually

1515
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,720
a commercial application correct?

1516
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:33,839
Well, and deeper.

1517
01:05:33,839 --> 01:05:34,799
>> Yes, it would be a commercial

1518
01:05:34,799 --> 01:05:36,000
application.

1519
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,039
>> Deeper in there's a

1520
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:41,200
area that I've got a note. Well, I've

1521
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:45,359
got a note there, too. But, u

1522
01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:50,230
if

1523
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,119
I don't remember. Well, I can go find

1524
01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:56,400
it. Um,

1525
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,000
okay. So those

1526
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:04,319
so any a operation would be like a um if

1527
01:06:04,319 --> 01:06:07,039
I'm going to have a

1528
01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:09,839
um a cattle operation or if I'm going to

1529
01:06:09,839 --> 01:06:13,039
have you know I'm raising

1530
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:14,480
>> that's just egg right

1531
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:15,440
>> that's just egg

1532
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,839
>> agra entertainment agra entertainment

1533
01:06:17,839 --> 01:06:18,799
>> yeah what is that

1534
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:20,880
>> that's like that's like what the barn at

1535
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,079
country club is like a agur

1536
01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:29,760
>> petting zoo yeah something like that um

1537
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,440
aquaculture

1538
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,839
>> my wife feeding the deer.

1539
01:06:33,839 --> 01:06:35,839
>> Well, no, you're not inviting. I had

1540
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:38,480
somebody that was another it was

1541
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,559
recently somebody wanted to do that on

1542
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:41,839
their land and they said, "Well, we just

1543
01:06:41,839 --> 01:06:43,920
want to we just want to have some goats

1544
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,079
and and horses and we want people to

1545
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:49,280
come out and I said, "So, you you want

1546
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,400
to sell tickets?" Well, yeah. I mean, I

1547
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,720
want to have people come out and, you

1548
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,599
know, like a petting zoo and you just

1549
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:00,400
want to do it on our land and, you know,

1550
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,400
and so it's really hard because then

1551
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,880
you're that's a commercial business. I

1552
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,319
have to tell them

1553
01:07:06,319 --> 01:07:08,400
>> that's a commercial business. You can

1554
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,480
not just have your own personal animals

1555
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,400
and start inviting people out to your

1556
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,480
house and say, you know, we're going to

1557
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,880
have buses come out and say, call it,

1558
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,880
you know, Betty's petting zoo. You're

1559
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,200
turning a agriculture. it's into

1560
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,440
commercial use. So that requires

1561
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,440
reszoning. And then when people find

1562
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,359
out, oh, I have to have parking. I have

1563
01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:28,880
to have a restroom for these people to

1564
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:32,000
use. I have to have uh I have

1565
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:33,520
>> they they want to give them the real

1566
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:34,799
experience and show them where the tree

1567
01:07:34,799 --> 01:07:35,119
is.

1568
01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:38,319
>> Yeah. So So you're these are these are

1569
01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:40,319
correct. That would be special uses. But

1570
01:07:40,319 --> 01:07:42,640
then you can continue down. You got your

1571
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,799
permitted single family dwelling. You

1572
01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:46,559
have a manufactured home that's allowed,

1573
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:50,720
a modular home, a tiny home. Um, and

1574
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,160
then you can see

1575
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:55,119
>> if I've got five or 40 or 80 acres, I've

1576
01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:56,480
got to ask you whether I can run cattle

1577
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:57,200
on it.

1578
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:58,319
>> No,

1579
01:07:58,319 --> 01:08:00,160
>> that's what that agriculture operation.

1580
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:01,920
What does that say? Wrong. That one

1581
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:03,920
designator is not but the rest of them

1582
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,440
are right or the rest of them are wrong.

1583
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,039
>> Well, if you're going to have agame,

1584
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:10,319
agra entertainment or a aquaculture

1585
01:08:10,319 --> 01:08:10,799
feed.

1586
01:08:10,799 --> 01:08:13,200
>> Is that aquaman or what is aquaculture?

1587
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,839
>> Uh, like a probably like a fish farm.

1588
01:08:15,839 --> 01:08:16,239
Okay.

1589
01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:17,359
>> Fish farm.

1590
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:20,159
>> Yep. That shouldn't be

1591
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:21,759
>> that's kind of like raising horses.

1592
01:08:21,759 --> 01:08:23,679
>> Well, and some of those and and I I

1593
01:08:23,679 --> 01:08:24,239
think

1594
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:25,279
>> commercial fishing.

1595
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:27,359
>> I think that some of those things if

1596
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:28,719
you're doing it as a commercial

1597
01:08:28,719 --> 01:08:31,920
operation and that's different than I'm

1598
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,319
doing it as

1599
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:37,520
say I'm I'm like the parakeet guy like

1600
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,839
but he's Yeah, like the parakeet guy

1601
01:08:39,839 --> 01:08:42,000
something like that. He's an industrial

1602
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,120
so that's not a good example. But I'm

1603
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:46,960
raising fish, but I'm not selling them.

1604
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:48,799
So, I'm not too worried about you.

1605
01:08:48,799 --> 01:08:50,719
>> We're all raising fish if we got ponds.

1606
01:08:50,719 --> 01:08:51,120
Right.

1607
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:51,679
>> Right.

1608
01:08:51,679 --> 01:08:53,600
>> No, that's not that's not what that's

1609
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,319
talking about. So, clarification. That's

1610
01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:57,359
where we're going to go to.

1611
01:08:57,359 --> 01:08:58,719
>> I'm comfortable with you knowing the

1612
01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:00,799
difference between that. So, I'm not

1613
01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:04,319
really griping about that. But that is

1614
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:07,040
>> wrong because ought to be able to do

1615
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,120
>> I see what you're saying.

1616
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:10,719
>> Commercial agricult.

1617
01:09:10,719 --> 01:09:14,719
>> That's maybe what it needs to say. and if we go to the if we go to the

1618
01:09:14,719 --> 01:09:16,000
definition

1619
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,159
>> then you will see that that's more of a

1620
01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:20,159
commercial use. So

1621
01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:22,239
>> not done that

1622
01:09:22,239 --> 01:09:26,799
>> um but the uh allowance for um uh

1623
01:09:26,799 --> 01:09:30,960
animals on agg and on the um RR are

1624
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:32,719
still the same. You still have to have

1625
01:09:32,719 --> 01:09:35,359
70,000 square feet for each horse,

1626
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:38,640
30,000 square feet for each cow, 20 we

1627
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,560
did not change any of that. Those are

1628
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,080
still allowed by right in in a in the

1629
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,600
RR. So just like it is in E1. So that

1630
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,920
still is the same. You couldn't have

1631
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,640
those animals in E2 or E3 or any other

1632
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:53,359
design.

1633
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:54,880
>> Somebody comes on your property to buy

1634
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,400
something from you. It turns into

1635
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,560
commercial.

1636
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,560
>> If I'm selling if I'm selling fresh

1637
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,199
eggs, no, it's more if I'm have you

1638
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:05,040
can't have a sign out. If it's a home

1639
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,239
occupation and I want to sell my eggs,

1640
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:14,080
you know, we we allow that. That's not a

1641
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,719
commercial. I have a storefront and

1642
01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:17,679
>> hay bales.

1643
01:10:17,679 --> 01:10:18,159
>> Pardon?

1644
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:18,960
>> Hay bales.

1645
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,199
>> Hay bells. That's that we sell hay

1646
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:23,120
bales. All that stuff. Those No, you're

1647
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:24,800
right. Where the line is.

1648
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,159
>> It would be it would

1649
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:27,679
>> that's what I've got some questions here

1650
01:10:27,679 --> 01:10:30,000
is on the feed and supply farmers

1651
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,239
selling crops in bulk.

1652
01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:34,640
>> That's an a operation.

1653
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,800
And it ought to be I mean I noted here

1654
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,120
you know three or five 600 pound totes

1655
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:40,800
of

1656
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:44,320
>> wheat corn ry whatever oats

1657
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,480
>> that's that's agriculture at some point

1658
01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:49,360
and do we need to designate some cut off

1659
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:51,440
at the bottom end that you're selling an

1660
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:54,640
individual bag individually bagged feeds

1661
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,360
or if I drove over in my truck and

1662
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,400
having load my truck with a load of corn

1663
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,679
>> that's not what this is that's

1664
01:11:03,679 --> 01:11:06,080
No, you can. That's what I'm saying. I

1665
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:07,120
>> Yeah, that's not what

1666
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:08,640
>> Do we bother putting that in there so

1667
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,040
it's there or do we just depend on you?

1668
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:11,600
>> I think

1669
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,280
>> we need it clearer. I can tell you that.

1670
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,600
>> I I I want to make it clear so everybody

1671
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,719
is comfortable with it and so people

1672
01:11:18,719 --> 01:11:20,560
aren't having those questions. Well, I

1673
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:22,880
can't sell hay for my 40 acres now.

1674
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,679
Well, sure you can. It's not a

1675
01:11:25,679 --> 01:11:28,400
storefront. I guess that that and then

1676
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,080
we also need to look at the definitions

1677
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:31,520
and make sure our definitions are

1678
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,719
correct, too. But it it changes when

1679
01:11:34,719 --> 01:11:36,719
well just like the feed store that just

1680
01:11:36,719 --> 01:11:39,679
ended up selling that is you know a

1681
01:11:39,679 --> 01:11:40,640
commercial business

1682
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:41,199
>> commercial. Yeah.

1683
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:43,280
>> So you have people you have a retail

1684
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:44,400
storefront.

1685
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,640
>> You're selling hay bales and I'm a

1686
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,560
that's a that's a farming operation

1687
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,880
that's allowed. That's not is not

1688
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:51,199
something

1689
01:11:51,199 --> 01:11:52,960
>> I think the dividing line somewhere is

1690
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:54,400
the the amount

1691
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:55,679
>> amount. Yeah.

1692
01:11:55,679 --> 01:11:58,880
>> A bulk sale versus

1693
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:02,640
>> how many people you can have. Nobody wents

1694
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,400
and bought

1695
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,080
250

1696
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:07,840
bills of hay

1697
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:11,920
>> but they buy them three and five and

1698
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,880
that number so I mean it's really the

1699
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,400
quantity that it's a dividing factor

1700
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,239
there aren't very many farmers that want

1701
01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:21,520
>> interesting traffic

1702
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,679
>> also it's also traffic I mean like our

1703
01:12:23,679 --> 01:12:26,000
home occupation there are certain things

1704
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,080
that you can't do that we have a lot of

1705
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,520
people that try to do them, which is ma

1706
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,000
contractors. I want to I run a

1707
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:35,920
landscaping business and I live in

1708
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,040
suburban estates and I end up having all

1709
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,679
my crew come over to my house and park

1710
01:12:41,679 --> 01:12:42,400
their cars,

1711
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:42,960
>> start the day

1712
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,040
>> and start the day and I bring my

1713
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:46,480
>> my house in 76 every day.

1714
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:49,120
>> I bring my my my stuff. You have to, you

1715
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,440
know, that would be code enforcement. If

1716
01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:52,960
there's a complaint, then we can work

1717
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,000
that complaint

1718
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,880
>> nails every three times a year.

1719
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,920
>> Yeah. But so when you're it changes when

1720
01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:03,520
you're running having employees, having

1721
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:07,120
signage, having that type of use. If I'm

1722
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,280
a professional and I want to have a

1723
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,440
consulting business out of my home and I

1724
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:14,000
work from home, you know, and I don't

1725
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,400
have any employees, I don't have a sign,

1726
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:17,840
it's not commercial, I don't have

1727
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,480
customers coming and going. If I'm a,

1728
01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:22,560
you know, an accountant, I might have

1729
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,120
one or two clients a day come over, but

1730
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,120
it's like anybody else visiting. You

1731
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:28,640
know, you can have a professional

1732
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:32,480
office. So, um, those are kind of some

1733
01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:33,920
of the differences that we still are

1734
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,239
keeping in here. So, I mean, that's what

1735
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:38,560
I'm saying. Your a operations, your

1736
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,280
daily kind of I'm a, you know, farmer

1737
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,280
bill and I've got 80 acres and I'm

1738
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:46,800
selling, you know, my hay and I have

1739
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:48,640
it's like out here on Main Street, you

1740
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,640
know. for sale

1741
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:54,560
>> that that's you know it's not

1742
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,320
that's not a side of anything that I

1743
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,719
would think about a agriculture

1744
01:13:58,719 --> 01:14:01,199
operation. It's not a storefront not

1745
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:02,480
commercial.

1746
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:04,000
>> Okay.

1747
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,000
>> I hope that explains some of it. This is

1748
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,920
the new modernized use table and we will

1749
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,800
go thoroughly through it thoroughly to

1750
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:16,400
make sure that um every zoning district

1751
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,560
has the correct if it's permitted if it

1752
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,920
is a special uh use. If it's blank, it's

1753
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:25,360
per it is an allowed use. I'm sorry.

1754
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:29,120
It's prohibited if it is a blank cell.

1755
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:29,360
Okay.

1756
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:30,800
>> While you're there,

1757
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,600
>> he is permitted. Yes. in the residential

1758
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,800
uses section

1759
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,800
>> U R1

1760
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,440
or R I

1761
01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:50,080
the cottage court the duplex and forplex

1762
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,159
>> shouldn't those be special uses because

1763
01:14:52,159 --> 01:14:54,480
we've got housing addition and you're

1764
01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:55,760
going to come in in the middle of that

1765
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,320
and put a little cottage court

1766
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,880
>> that's not the single family that's the

1767
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,080
RARI district So RS is the single

1768
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:04,880
family.

1769
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:05,360
>> Okay.

1770
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:08,560
And the RI is the residential in

1771
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,880
integrated. So the integrated is

1772
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,239
supposed to like I be allow a

1773
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:16,560
development to have multiple housing

1774
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,040
styles in there where I would be maybe

1775
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,360
in the you know front section. I might

1776
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,600
have a little commercial section and on

1777
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:28,239
the front um with boutique strip retail

1778
01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:30,480
center and then behind that I'm going to

1779
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:34,560
have my uh uh town homes and then I

1780
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,040
might have multifamily apartments and

1781
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:37,600
then I might

1782
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,360
>> quick trip on the corner doesn't have to

1783
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:40,800
be zoned commercially.

1784
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,080
>> It can be well this is under well that

1785
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:45,679
would you're going to get into a

1786
01:15:45,679 --> 01:15:47,360
mixeduse or a pud because you're going

1787
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,920
to say okay track one in the corner is

1788
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:51,440
going to be commercial and then behind

1789
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:52,880
that I'm going to do a mixeduse

1790
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,719
development. I'm going to allow

1791
01:15:54,719 --> 01:15:56,719
everything in the RARI district because

1792
01:15:56,719 --> 01:15:59,120
I want the ability to have the cottage

1793
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,440
apartments, the multifamily, the single

1794
01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:06,560
family. I might even want um you know,

1795
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:08,159
>> correct. Yeah.

1796
01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:11,760
>> Yeah. Yeah. Actually, I was a little

1797
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:15,520
concerned that we were

1798
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:17,760
>> RI

1799
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:19,840
that were getting ourselves in a

1800
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,480
position that we're baptizing or

1801
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:25,280
blessing

1802
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,040
Riverview.

1803
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:27,760
>> No,

1804
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,400
>> estates. Not estates, but village. The

1805
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,400
village that we just said we don't like.

1806
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,199
>> Right. But still

1807
01:16:35,199 --> 01:16:37,600
is you still would have to go if you're

1808
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:39,280
going to do any type of development like

1809
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:40,800
that where you're going to have multiple

1810
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,440
unless I'm just going to you know this

1811
01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:46,239
residential if I'm which right now you

1812
01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:48,320
got to remember there's nothing zoned ri

1813
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:51,120
I there's nothing right now so people

1814
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,080
would have to come in and reszone to

1815
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,960
that district which probably means that

1816
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,760
they would want to do a mixeduse

1817
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,040
development or pud to be be able to

1818
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,520
achieve a development like that. Um,

1819
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:06,640
that's the only way you're going to be

1820
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:06,960
able

1821
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,679
>> to give them an RAI zone zoning. We've

1822
01:17:09,679 --> 01:17:10,880
said you can do that here.

1823
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,040
>> Well, there's no commercial in the RARI.

1824
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,679
It's just as this is all residential in

1825
01:17:15,679 --> 01:17:18,800
the RARI,

1826
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,199
but it does allow it allows everything

1827
01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:23,760
except your mixeduse building and your

1828
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:27,920
and an apartment. supposed to be like um

1829
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,960
single family dwellings but different

1830
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,840
types of dwellings allowed within that.

1831
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:35,840
>> I'm sure I should know this but I've got

1832
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:37,199
to ask it. What is the difference

1833
01:17:37,199 --> 01:17:39,040
between a manufactured home and a

1834
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:39,840
modular home?

1835
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,000
>> I'll let Julie explain that. She's

1836
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:43,199
really good at it.

1837
01:17:43,199 --> 01:17:44,400
>> Are you great at that?

1838
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:45,520
>> She's really good at that.

1839
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:46,880
>> Jump right up here and tell us that

1840
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:49,360
because we're both interested.

1841
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:50,880
>> Make it smarter tonight.

1842
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:52,880
It's one of those things that's in our

1843
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,679
in in our code and to clean that up. But

1844
01:17:55,679 --> 01:17:58,560
she's she's well-versed at this.

1845
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:01,199
>> Modules, Legos.

1846
01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:04,640
>> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So, modular homes

1847
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:08,080
are manufactured

1848
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,199
by modules and they put those modules

1849
01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:14,800
together uh at a location. Mhm.

1850
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,920
>> And in order for anyone to bring in a

1851
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:21,280
modular home to the city of Newcastle

1852
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:23,840
limits, there are some requirements that

1853
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:27,440
they have to fulfill and uh so because

1854
01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:29,520
we don't know what standards that they

1855
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,719
use in order to manufacture those

1856
01:18:32,719 --> 01:18:36,159
modules. So there is uh some steps

1857
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:38,640
that's

1858
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:42,480
achievable but some say it may it might

1859
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:44,719
be a little bit cumbersome because it

1860
01:18:44,719 --> 01:18:46,480
requires

1861
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:50,480
um inspections by the IC

1862
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:53,840
um uh certified inspectors and they have

1863
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,679
to have um reports done and who

1864
01:18:57,679 --> 01:19:02,080
performed the um inspections. So we look

1865
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,239
at the building the structure portion of

1866
01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:06,800
it electrical mechanical and the

1867
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,600
plumbing as well. So they have to

1868
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:13,760
provide the inspection reports and also

1869
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:18,560
the um the inspector's um um credentials

1870
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,600
have to be submitted as well so we can

1871
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:24,320
see who has done that. So that is

1872
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,440
actually listed in our IBC code

1873
01:19:27,440 --> 01:19:30,000
international building code which we use

1874
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,840
that for commercial buildings. So uh we

1875
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,719
just follow that chapter to require

1876
01:19:36,719 --> 01:19:39,760
those uh require the paperwork and th

1877
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,000
those have to be approved before even

1878
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,280
they can bring the modules into um city

1879
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,719
limits here uh where uh manufactured

1880
01:19:48,719 --> 01:19:52,960
homes are um manufactured by HUD

1881
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:56,480
standards. So they bear HUD uh approval

1882
01:19:56,480 --> 01:20:01,520
stamps or the um stickers. So they that

1883
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:05,120
is a verified process. So we accept them

1884
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:08,159
as long as they are truly

1885
01:20:08,159 --> 01:20:10,800
manufactured homes built by hot

1886
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:12,560
standards.

1887
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,400
>> A manufactured home. Does it have wheels

1888
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,040
on it or do they bring it in pieces?

1889
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:20,880
>> Well, I'm let her

1890
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:22,640
getting into the sticky part. Go ahead.

1891
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:26,159
Usually they are single

1892
01:20:26,159 --> 01:20:29,679
um units or what they call it single

1893
01:20:29,679 --> 01:20:31,120
wide or double wide.

1894
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,120
>> Oh, so we're talking about mobile homes

1895
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:34,159
is really what we're talking about.

1896
01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:35,280
>> Well, so yes,

1897
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:36,719
>> manufactured home,

1898
01:20:36,719 --> 01:20:37,679
>> right?

1899
01:20:37,679 --> 01:20:41,440
>> So since uh 1973

1900
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:43,360
or five

1901
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:45,600
uh those uh mobile homes were

1902
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,080
manufactured without any standards.

1903
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:51,679
>> Yeah. But yeah, so that is actually an

1904
01:20:51,679 --> 01:20:53,120
older vocabulary.

1905
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:54,000
>> That's what I need to understand.

1906
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:55,920
Manufactur is a mobile home. That's what

1907
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:56,800
I didn't understand.

1908
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,480
>> Right. So we

1909
01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:00,880
>> modular is just a function of they build

1910
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:02,480
it right before they brought it to us.

1911
01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:02,960
Right.

1912
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:04,880
>> That's what modular really is.

1913
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,199
>> Is it all done right before it shows up?

1914
01:21:07,199 --> 01:21:09,679
Because once it shows up, you're already

1915
01:21:09,679 --> 01:21:11,760
committed.

1916
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:12,159
>> Yes.

1917
01:21:12,159 --> 01:21:13,199
>> Right.

1918
01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:15,120
>> That's why you need all those plans

1919
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:16,320
before it shows up.

1920
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:16,719
>> Yes.

1921
01:21:16,719 --> 01:21:18,080
>> Okay. Yes, thank you very much.

1922
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:20,640
>> But we do not use the terminology mobile

1923
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:24,391
home anymore. We use manufactured home.

1924
01:21:24,391 --> 01:21:25,520
[laughter]

1925
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:26,000
>> So

1926
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:27,840
>> you'll have to forgive me. I'm old.

1927
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:28,960
>> You're forgiven.

1928
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:30,000
>> It's anonymous.

1929
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:36,390
>> And like you say,

1930
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:39,280
» y

1931
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:41,360
on a footing of some kind or blocks or

1932
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,199
something.

1933
01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:46,159
>> Yes. But manufactured the homes once you

1934
01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:49,600
bring it here you have to remove wheels,

1935
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:53,920
axles, everything and you have to have a

1936
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,719
permanent foundation.

1937
01:21:56,719 --> 01:21:58,080
>> I don't even want to go down that road.

1938
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,159
I I'll ask you if I want to know. It's a

1939
01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:00,960
long conversation.

1940
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,360
>> Where do storage container homes fit in?

1941
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:04,960
>> George,

1942
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,800
>> you've had those questions too. Believe

1943
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:06,960
me,

1944
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:07,840
>> I know you have those.

1945
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:09,840
>> That's a former tiny home.

1946
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,400
>> Thank you. Sorry. Yeah, there'll be

1947
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,320
>> 10 of them welded stack

1948
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:15,760
>> together

1949
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:17,679
>> like a conx house.

1950
01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:19,679
>> There's there's some out in

1951
01:22:19,679 --> 01:22:20,800
>> Middberg area.

1952
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,440
>> So the use table that's what we've gone

1953
01:22:23,440 --> 01:22:25,840
to to be able to be able to have clear

1954
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:32,400
and consistent allowed and permitted and prohibited uses in all these zoning

1955
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,280
designations.

1956
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,920
And then the development standards table

1957
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:41,600
um establishes those standards um for

1958
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:43,199
improvement of property and ensure

1959
01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:44,960
quality development consistent with the

1960
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,920
comp plan. And each section has its own

1961
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:51,360
purpose and applicability statement.

1962
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,280
Enhanced parking and site design

1963
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:56,960
strategies. Um parking ratios again in

1964
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:00,000
the table. Updated parking standards.

1965
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,320
Um, so allowance for because right now

1966
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:07,040
our our parking space is 9 ft by uh 19.

1967
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:10,239
So we've added in some parking

1968
01:23:10,239 --> 01:23:13,679
allowances for compact cars. So they you

1969
01:23:13,679 --> 01:23:15,679
have more use of your parking area or

1970
01:23:15,679 --> 01:23:18,800
your law area. Um I'm dealing with one

1971
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,280
right now commercial use where if you

1972
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,520
have a little bit of allowance for

1973
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,239
compact cars and then your regular

1974
01:23:26,239 --> 01:23:29,520
parking standards well and your handicap

1975
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:33,600
your accessible spaces um you can kind

1976
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:37,280
of help development not be require so

1977
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,840
much parking. A lot of cities are moving

1978
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,360
now to not even having minimum parking

1979
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,600
standards. They're moving to no parking

1980
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,920
standards and letting the developers

1981
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,080
because they have the development

1982
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,560
letting the market decide letting them

1983
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:54,719
decide. I'll just give you an example

1984
01:23:54,719 --> 01:23:56,960
that I'm dealing with right now. Dollar

1985
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,679
General and our parking standards are al

1986
01:23:59,679 --> 01:24:02,480
all based on gross floor area which not

1987
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:05,120
customer service area gross floor area.

1988
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:07,120
So the Dollar General has to have 52

1989
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,280
parking spaces. They know they don't

1990
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:13,440
ever have more than 15 pa parking 15

1991
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:15,520
spaces used at any one time for their

1992
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:17,120
patrons.

1993
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:20,639
Our parking standards require them 52.

1994
01:24:20,639 --> 01:24:22,960
They have like 34 on site and I'm trying

1995
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:24,560
to work with them and trying to find

1996
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:26,719
some outlet in the code and there just

1997
01:24:26,719 --> 01:24:28,400
isn't any because it's all based on

1998
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:30,080
gross floor area. So, we're looking at

1999
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:31,920
more [snorts] customer service area

2000
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:32,719
which is pretty

2001
01:24:32,719 --> 01:24:34,320
>> They also need a way to get a semi-truck

2002
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:35,120
in there safely.

2003
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:36,960
>> Yes, they do. They do. And they have

2004
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:38,320
>> 76 is not that.

2005
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:42,159
>> No. Well, they do on this one and and um

2006
01:24:42,159 --> 01:24:45,360
but they also have area in there where

2007
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:47,679
they could add additional parking, but

2008
01:24:47,679 --> 01:24:50,400
they are they don't want to add it. They

2009
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,400
know that they don't they know that they

2010
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:56,320
don't use that parking and so um it's

2011
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,280
you know more parking area can create

2012
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,120
you know the heat island effects. You're

2013
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:03,520
dealing with that storm water runoff you

2014
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,520
know so you have more requirement for

2015
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:09,199
storm water. So, um, really becoming a

2016
01:25:09,199 --> 01:25:11,360
little bit more thoughtful about our

2017
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:14,080
parking regulation is is going to be

2018
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:16,159
better for Newcastle overall. Not saying

2019
01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:18,080
we're going to no parking standards. I'm

2020
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:19,840
not saying that. We still have them. It

2021
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:21,600
just is cleaned it up so we're not

2022
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:26,310
overparking people.

2023
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:26,800
» Um,

2024
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:28,400
>> they need to make their store bigger and

2025
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,719
put some space in their aisle. Is there

2026
01:25:30,719 --> 01:25:35,040
has there been any consideration for

2027
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,120
acquiring or

2028
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,600
suggesting bullards at in front of some

2029
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:41,760
of these commercial buildings?

2030
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,320
I sit here boomerang quite a bit and I

2031
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:46,320
see these massive trucks pulling right

2032
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,320
here by your face.

2033
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:50,080
>> Oh, and they just pull right over

2034
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:54,000
>> here. You hear stories all the time of

2035
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:55,679
somebody's foot slipping off and running

2036
01:25:55,679 --> 01:25:57,440
right through

2037
01:25:57,440 --> 01:25:58,000
the

2038
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,480
>> whatever it was. down in Mustang that

2039
01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:02,560
almost shut down because the truck went

2040
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:04,159
through their building.

2041
01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:06,320
>> You can look at that. I've seen a a lot

2042
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,960
of businesses

2043
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:11,040
not necessarily requiring it, but it's

2044
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,679
one of those things that businesses

2045
01:26:13,679 --> 01:26:14,320
that people

2046
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:15,840
>> I wouldn't think a whole lot of money if

2047
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,159
you're just and some of it depends on

2048
01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:20,239
what your business is. I get that. But a

2049
01:26:20,239 --> 01:26:23,440
restaurant where people are sitting

2050
01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:24,480
ton truck right here,

2051
01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:26,000
>> it depends on the type of traffic you

2052
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:27,440
got, too. Right.

2053
01:26:27,440 --> 01:26:31,910
>> Yeah.

2054
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:33,040
Um, [clears throat]

2055
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:36,080
so like I said, we've we've kind of uh

2056
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,639
tightened up and increased our uh

2057
01:26:38,639 --> 01:26:40,400
landscaping requirements and take them

2058
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,800
out of uh different designations where

2059
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,040
they don't need to be.

2060
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:52,239
Um, and also um having a landscaping uh maintenance bond as well. So that way

2061
01:26:52,239 --> 01:26:54,480
when people put in commercial, this

2062
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:56,080
commercial only, not residential,

2063
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:57,280
commercial only, where you have

2064
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,360
landscaping installed, that the business

2065
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,679
has to keep that landscaping thriving

2066
01:27:01,679 --> 01:27:04,000
until it gets established and then that

2067
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:07,199
bond would get released.

2068
01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:09,040
Um

2069
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:11,360
so overall architectural design

2070
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:13,360
standards for commercial and multif

2071
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,199
family which you all know that we

2072
01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:19,120
increased our commercial um uh masonry

2073
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:23,440
requirement to 80% on all sides. So, and

2074
01:27:23,440 --> 01:27:26,480
the increase with um building materials,

2075
01:27:26,480 --> 01:27:30,000
facade design and transition between

2076
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:33,040
adjacent land uses, fencing, screening,

2077
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,440
lighting to improve compatibility with

2078
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:37,920
neighborhoods.

2079
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,560
And this is kind of our authority. This

2080
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:42,560
is the authority approval table. So, it

2081
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:44,880
gives everybody kind of a um anybody

2082
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:46,400
that wants to look and see, okay, if I'm

2083
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,360
going to get zoning uh ordinance

2084
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:53,280
amendment, what do I have to do? I have to have a planning

2085
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:56,480
commission um notice does it have to the

2086
01:27:56,480 --> 01:27:58,239
director planning commission and then

2087
01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:00,080
city council is the decision making

2088
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,320
authority. So just put all of our

2089
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:06,709
procedures into a chart

2090
01:28:06,719 --> 01:28:08,719
and then signs.

2091
01:28:08,719 --> 01:28:11,151
So, our sign code [cough]

2092
01:28:11,151 --> 01:28:11,760
[clears throat]

2093
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:13,679
um

2094
01:28:13,679 --> 01:28:16,960
is a little bit difficult to interpret

2095
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,760
with the frontages and then the the

2096
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:23,120
types of signs. So, we've gone to more

2097
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:25,679
modernized sign categories with just

2098
01:28:25,679 --> 01:28:31,199
having attached, detached, incidential, incidental, you know, it's

2099
01:28:31,199 --> 01:28:34,159
all say that word incidental and special

2100
01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:38,080
and temporary signs. um clear

2101
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:40,560
measurement standards and content

2102
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:44,320
neutral rel regulations and modernizing

2103
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:47,040
our sign uh features with like

2104
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:49,760
electronic me message centers,

2105
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,560
illumination and changeable canopies.

2106
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,600
We're not allowing the digital rotating

2107
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,960
highintensity LED signs. They have to be

2108
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,360
static. They cannot they cannot be the

2109
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:04,000
rotating lights and the flashing. Um

2110
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,560
that is all They can have LED signs.

2111
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:07,840
>> They can have an LED sign.

2112
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:09,440
>> Brightness levels

2113
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:11,840
>> designated and spelled out in there.

2114
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:12,560
>> That's right.

2115
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:13,360
>> There is.

2116
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:16,080
>> Yes.

2117
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:18,880
>> Um giving a chart as well. So the

2118
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:20,880
updated sign standards and clear

2119
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:24,719
administration. Um clear permitting and

2120
01:29:24,719 --> 01:29:27,679
um consistent approval procedures and

2121
01:29:27,679 --> 01:29:29,440
updated maintenance and enforcement

2122
01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:32,639
provisions. Um improved graph graphics

2123
01:29:32,639 --> 01:29:34,320
and tables. So there's a lot of graph

2124
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:36,719
more graphics in the sign chapter as

2125
01:29:36,719 --> 01:29:42,149
well. Um and dimensional standards.

2126
01:29:42,159 --> 01:29:42,639
» Okay.

2127
01:29:42,639 --> 01:29:47,360
>> So that that sign thing if I want to put a big sign on my in my

2128
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:49,040
farm and I'm next to the highway. Is

2129
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:52,239
that fit in any of those buckets?

2130
01:29:52,239 --> 01:29:54,320
>> If you're you want a sign like

2131
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:55,840
>> we've had this happen a few times. We've

2132
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:56,320
had

2133
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:57,600
>> like for a billboard.

2134
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:58,480
>> Yeah. A big billboard.

2135
01:29:58,480 --> 01:30:00,800
>> So billboards are all special use and

2136
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,120
they're staying special use. I've had

2137
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:04,480
>> and I'm fine with that. I just want to

2138
01:30:04,480 --> 01:30:06,560
make sure that wasn't in any of the

2139
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:08,560
>> No, those are all special use and they

2140
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:09,520
are staying special use.

2141
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:09,760
>> Okay.

2142
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:11,760
>> And they're staying 750 ft apart

2143
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:13,760
>> and staying 750 ft apart.

2144
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:14,560
>> We won't have a

2145
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:16,080
>> You're not going to have a row of

2146
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:17,679
billboards.

2147
01:30:17,679 --> 01:30:20,480
And I really just hope that we can just

2148
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:23,040
my personal opinion when I'm

2149
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:24,880
>> stay out of that business and go away.

2150
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:26,960
We'll see.

2151
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:28,880
>> Yep.

2152
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:32,159
But so overall the these three chapters

2153
01:30:32,159 --> 01:30:36,400
have been updated. Um the plan is to

2154
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,159
bring these forward for your

2155
01:30:38,159 --> 01:30:41,520
recommendation at the end of August, the

2156
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:45,040
August 31st meeting. Um and then from

2157
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:48,159
there, Reza Nichols will be here on the

2158
01:30:48,159 --> 01:30:51,679
31st of August to do a presentation. Um

2159
01:30:51,679 --> 01:30:54,560
my hope in between now and then and this

2160
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:58,159
evening um is to answer questions, take

2161
01:30:58,159 --> 01:31:01,440
input and feedback and um update

2162
01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:06,870
anything that we need to update um

2163
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,840
for these three chapters and to move get

2164
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:13,679
this process of adoption started. We did

2165
01:31:13,679 --> 01:31:15,600
talk with them about that some because

2166
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:20,239
there we will notice for the um uh

2167
01:31:20,239 --> 01:31:22,320
repeal and replace of these three

2168
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:25,040
chapters and their totality. It'll be

2169
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:31,990
noticed for the August meeting um

2170
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:35,120
timing wise for these chapters and I'm

2171
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:38,239
open to just you know obviously how we

2172
01:31:38,239 --> 01:31:40,960
implement that. Had a couple suggestions

2173
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:46,080
from them. Um, our idea was to uh have a

2174
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:48,320
set date where these chapters would take

2175
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:52,239
effect. So, January 1st, 27 is what the

2176
01:31:52,239 --> 01:31:54,880
city manager what we he and I discussed.

2177
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:57,679
And that's a good timeline because it

2178
01:31:57,679 --> 01:31:59,840
gives anything that's in the process

2179
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:03,440
right now to be allowed to stay under

2180
01:32:03,440 --> 01:32:05,360
the current code and won't create any

2181
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:09,360
conflicts. It also gives staff um and

2182
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:11,920
general public and all of us time to

2183
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:14,159
learn the code. And yes, we've gone

2184
01:32:14,159 --> 01:32:15,840
through it and we've written it, but do

2185
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:17,920
I have it memorized? No. Do I know every

2186
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,960
single thing in there? No. You know, do

2187
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:22,800
I am I familiar with most of the

2188
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:24,639
changes, but when you start

2189
01:32:24,639 --> 01:32:26,800
administering code, as you know, I mean,

2190
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:28,560
I can still look at the code we have now

2191
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:30,239
and I'll find new things in it, you

2192
01:32:30,239 --> 01:32:32,239
know, and go, "Oh,

2193
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:34,639
that that's there. That's new." But it's

2194
01:32:34,639 --> 01:32:38,080
not. it's been there. You know, you you

2195
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,719
takes time to to get through and the

2196
01:32:40,719 --> 01:32:43,440
adoption. So, having this take effect,

2197
01:32:43,440 --> 01:32:46,239
the January 1st, 2027

2198
01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:48,159
date was something we talked about. And

2199
01:32:48,159 --> 01:32:50,320
then, um the freezing nickels team

2200
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:52,239
suggested something interesting to me as

2201
01:32:52,239 --> 01:32:54,560
well is to said, you know, you can also

2202
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:59,440
have duel if you can give people a an

2203
01:32:59,440 --> 01:33:01,840
option. And I don't know about that how

2204
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:05,040
that I I don't know how that would work.

2205
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:08,000
Meaning if somebody would they say we

2206
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:09,840
adopted it, you know, but we are going

2207
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:13,760
to maintain our current code until July,

2208
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:16,800
sorry, January 127, but this could

2209
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:19,360
potentially take effect immediately as

2210
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:22,080
well. Somebody comes in and they they've

2211
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:24,000
been wanting to do a multi-generational

2212
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:25,120
house, but they're going to have to

2213
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:26,800
wait. We've had people, in fact, we have

2214
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:29,600
somebody waiting now until after January

2215
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:31,679
because of the secondary accessory

2216
01:33:31,679 --> 01:33:35,360
structure thing right now

2217
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:38,159
that change because of the placement in

2218
01:33:38,159 --> 01:33:40,320
their yard and where it can be in

2219
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:44,159
regards to the to the um main dwelling.

2220
01:33:44,159 --> 01:33:46,480
So, it was an option to to have that

2221
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:47,920
kind of dual

2222
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:50,800
>> where you could be under the current

2223
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,360
>> that it would overlap.

2224
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:55,120
Seems like craziness for you.

2225
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:55,760
>> It would be

2226
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:57,040
>> a little bit

2227
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:58,800
>> I would think you could allow people to

2228
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:00,159
select

2229
01:34:00,159 --> 01:34:00,400
>> sure

2230
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:02,480
>> whether to build under the new proposed

2231
01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:03,760
code or not,

2232
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:04,639
>> couldn't you?

2233
01:34:04,639 --> 01:34:07,440
>> Yeah. Very citizen friendly, very staff

2234
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:08,239
intensive.

2235
01:34:08,239 --> 01:34:08,960
>> Yeah,

2236
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:10,080
>> absolutely.

2237
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:12,000
>> Not sure for a short period of time.

2238
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,400
>> For a short period of time. Main idea.

2239
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:15,760
>> Of course, you learn all those.

2240
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,159
>> That's the thing. it it it to get us to

2241
01:34:18,159 --> 01:34:20,639
give us a time to really get into the

2242
01:34:20,639 --> 01:34:24,719
weeds with with um administering it.

2243
01:34:24,719 --> 01:34:27,990
Yeah.

2244
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:29,440
» So, this evening was just

2245
01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:32,239
>> it would be it would be hard, but

2246
01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:34,400
>> it would be hard. I I'm not sure. Those

2247
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:35,679
are just kind of things I wanted to

2248
01:34:35,679 --> 01:34:37,360
fully to kind of disclose what we've

2249
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:38,560
talked about as far as through the

2250
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:41,199
adoption process, you know, and when

2251
01:34:41,199 --> 01:34:42,639
this would take effect because that's

2252
01:34:42,639 --> 01:34:44,960
always a big question of when does this

2253
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:47,280
go into effect and how is that going to

2254
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:50,639
>> having tried to read the

2255
01:34:50,639 --> 01:34:54,159
400 and some pages here. U I'm not sure

2256
01:34:54,159 --> 01:34:56,080
August is a very good choice, but we'll

2257
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:58,320
see. But when do you want to go through

2258
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:00,400
the one by one?

2259
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:03,360
>> One by one. So

2260
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:06,400
it so

2261
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,239
>> O2 chapter C1

2262
01:35:08,239 --> 01:35:09,040
>> yes

2263
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:11,920
>> why not have the adopted code control

2264
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:14,400
rather than the most restrictive

2265
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:15,679
>> say that again.

2266
01:35:15,679 --> 01:35:20,550
>> Now if we go to 154

2267
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:32,709
get it open.

2268
01:35:32,719 --> 01:35:34,239
54

2269
01:35:34,239 --> 01:35:36,239
111

2270
01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:41,189
>> O2

2271
01:35:41,199 --> 01:35:43,760
» and

2272
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:47,520
C1 generally this is under relationships

2273
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:50,400
of of other to other state federal and

2274
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:52,960
legal provisions. Generally, if this

2275
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:55,600
zoning ordinance imposes a greater

2276
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:58,159
restriction upon the use of buildings or

2277
01:35:58,159 --> 01:36:00,960
premises or building height or requires

2278
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:03,040
larger open spaces than are required by

2279
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:05,360
other ordinances, rules, regulations,

2280
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:07,440
easements, covenants, or agreements,

2281
01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:10,400
more restrictive provision shall govern.

2282
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,239
Why don't we use the restriction that

2283
01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:15,840
we've thought about and adopt

2284
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:19,280
than something we didn't was out there?

2285
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:21,760
I'm going to let our city attorney speak

2286
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:23,760
to some of these with the conflict of

2287
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:26,480
state or federal regulations.

2288
01:36:26,480 --> 01:36:27,840
>> It says state and federal. Is that what

2289
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:29,920
it says? this state and federal or lo

2290
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:31,040
and local provisions

2291
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:32,560
>> conflict with state or federal.

2292
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:44,229
>> If we've got something over in

2293
01:36:44,239 --> 01:36:46,560
noise requirements or well not going to

2294
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:48,560
be noise because I didn't find any noise

2295
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:49,920
reference in this at all.

2296
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:51,920
>> That's in our that's in the nuisance.

2297
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:54,000
It's in a different chapter. It's not in

2298
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:55,840
this. I think is what you're talking

2299
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:58,719
about is if we have You're saying if we

2300
01:36:58,719 --> 01:37:00,560
have something more restrictive than

2301
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:03,119
some state or federal regulations?

2302
01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:06,239
>> No, I'm saying that well, it reads that

2303
01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:08,239
if there's some place else that we

2304
01:37:08,239 --> 01:37:11,280
didn't think of and we adopted this,

2305
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:12,960
it's more restrictive. That's the one

2306
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:15,199
that's going to control. Well, here

2307
01:37:15,199 --> 01:37:19,520
we've thought about what we want in R1

2308
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:21,360
or RR

2309
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:23,679
and we've adopted something and we think

2310
01:37:23,679 --> 01:37:26,239
that's good.

2311
01:37:26,239 --> 01:37:28,639
>> There's somewhere else in our city

2312
01:37:28,639 --> 01:37:31,040
ordinances that says another number

2313
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:34,719
because it was adopted before or

2314
01:37:34,719 --> 01:37:36,560
>> they didn't think about it.

2315
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,080
>> If we've thought about it and we adopt

2316
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:39,520
it, why don't we let that control

2317
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:42,000
instead of whatever is more restrictive

2318
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:43,600
most restrictive?

2319
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:45,360
>> Are we trying to figure out the way to

2320
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:46,560
take the most

2321
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:48,320
>> interest of the citizens away?

2322
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:50,400
>> No, I think No, we're not. But I think

2323
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:53,040
that any any any regulation in our

2324
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,440
zoning code subdivision sign, it's

2325
01:37:55,440 --> 01:37:57,679
always the most restrictive applies.

2326
01:37:57,679 --> 01:37:58,560
It's always

2327
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:00,639
>> It generally is. No wonder why. A lot of

2328
01:38:00,639 --> 01:38:03,199
times always raises a hackle in my

2329
01:38:03,199 --> 01:38:05,199
>> most recently adopted. Well,

2330
01:38:05,199 --> 01:38:07,040
>> most restrictive is what it says and

2331
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,520
most and generally they that's what you

2332
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:11,760
find in the statutes and all that. When

2333
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:13,920
they don't know what they're doing,

2334
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:15,360
>> they say if there's somewhere else it's

2335
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:18,080
more restrictive, let's use that one.

2336
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:20,159
Well, we're thinking about this now. If

2337
01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:21,679
we want it more restrictive, we ought to

2338
01:38:21,679 --> 01:38:22,159
use it

2339
01:38:22,159 --> 01:38:24,080
>> because the one we don't find is what

2340
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:25,679
it's going to be. That's all that's

2341
01:38:25,679 --> 01:38:27,679
covered. I see your point.

2342
01:38:27,679 --> 01:38:28,639
>> Yeah. Well, I'm just saying

2343
01:38:28,639 --> 01:38:28,800
>> if

2344
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:30,239
>> you took out the local and just said

2345
01:38:30,239 --> 01:38:32,000
state and federal, then that would cover

2346
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:32,880
that, wouldn't it?

2347
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:34,480
>> Well, yeah, because I mean, you're going

2348
01:38:34,480 --> 01:38:38,239
to get stuck with state and federal.

2349
01:38:38,239 --> 01:38:39,920
>> But do you need do you need the coverage

2350
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:41,679
for that other or not?

2351
01:38:41,679 --> 01:38:44,480
>> I think there's more standard. This is a

2352
01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:47,679
standard statement for basically all

2353
01:38:47,679 --> 01:38:51,679
zoning regulation. It's

2354
01:38:51,679 --> 01:38:55,360
safety safety. Yeah.

2355
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:56,880
because it has the conflict with other

2356
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:59,760
city regulations with plat anything with

2357
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:02,080
building code requirements that you know

2358
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:04,000
you're going to have other sections of

2359
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:05,360
>> that's a good example

2360
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:07,920
>> we we adopt the current build national

2361
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:09,760
building code

2362
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:14,159
>> and it can have sideyard setbacks or or

2363
01:39:14,159 --> 01:39:15,679
distance between buildings that are

2364
01:39:15,679 --> 01:39:18,560
inconsistent with our

2365
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:21,520
>> our sideyard setbacks and so it would

2366
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:23,360
control

2367
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:26,320
The most restrictive wood control and

2368
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:29,119
that post what's building separation.

2369
01:39:29,119 --> 01:39:31,520
It's a three-foot separation

2370
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:34,000
in the for single family between

2371
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:37,119
structures on each side. Ours is a five

2372
01:39:37,119 --> 01:39:39,360
foot setback.

2373
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:42,639
Is that right? According to the IBC or

2374
01:39:42,639 --> 01:39:46,310
to the IRC

2375
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:46,960
» back.

2376
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:51,199
>> Uhhuh.

2377
01:39:51,199 --> 01:39:53,199
So it's five feet in the

2378
01:39:53,199 --> 01:39:55,040
>> property lines between

2379
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:58,239
>> not between the structures

2380
01:39:58,239 --> 01:40:00,400
>> between property lines or between

2381
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:01,040
structures

2382
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:02,560
>> between the property lines

2383
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:04,000
>> from the structure

2384
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:05,679
>> to the property line

2385
01:40:05,679 --> 01:40:08,480
>> is five foot fire requires 10 feet

2386
01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:09,520
between the buildings.

2387
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:11,199
>> That's why you have five feet on each

2388
01:40:11,199 --> 01:40:12,719
side.

2389
01:40:12,719 --> 01:40:14,000
>> Right?

2390
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:14,320
So,

2391
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:16,000
>> so that's where some of these examples

2392
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,000
of what I'm saying.

2393
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,159
Those fire codes are are not local

2394
01:40:20,159 --> 01:40:22,480
standards. Those are state or federal

2395
01:40:22,480 --> 01:40:24,159
standards. Correct.

2396
01:40:24,159 --> 01:40:25,679
>> No, it's a national building code that

2397
01:40:25,679 --> 01:40:26,159
we adopt.

2398
01:40:26,159 --> 01:40:28,560
>> It's federal.

2399
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:29,840
>> Or is that not federal?

2400
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:32,239
>> I don't know. Is it federal or is it

2401
01:40:32,239 --> 01:40:34,400
what we adopt?

2402
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:35,840
>> International Building Code,

2403
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:37,840
>> right?

2404
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:39,199
>> That's what I thought.

2405
01:40:39,199 --> 01:40:40,159
>> They're national.

2406
01:40:40,159 --> 01:40:40,560
>> Yeah.

2407
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:42,480
they're national. Same thing with

2408
01:40:42,480 --> 01:40:43,600
fire. Same thing.

2409
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:45,199
>> Now, we got another deal in here that

2410
01:40:45,199 --> 01:40:46,960
says it's we're going to depend upon the

2411
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:48,560
international

2412
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:49,199
code

2413
01:40:49,199 --> 01:40:49,920
>> because the

2414
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:52,880
>> I'm not too gung-ho about

2415
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:56,639
>> the IRC the the that's the international

2416
01:40:56,639 --> 01:40:59,199
and then IBC is underneath the IRC.

2417
01:40:59,199 --> 01:41:01,440
Isn't that correct?

2418
01:41:01,440 --> 01:41:12,629
>> I

2419
01:41:12,639 --> 01:41:16,310
off of

2420
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:20,550
» they're all subgroups.

2421
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:23,920
» And your electrical mechanical,

2422
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:25,600
>> which

2423
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:27,679
we just we updated those. We're going to

2424
01:41:27,679 --> 01:41:30,320
have to update those again. But we just

2425
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:33,520
updated the 2000. We adopted the 2018

2426
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:36,080
what the year before last.

2427
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:37,840
>> Y.

2428
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:40,719
So

2429
01:41:40,719 --> 01:41:43,040
>> anyway, the

2430
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:47,679
provision of C1 under 5402

2431
01:41:47,679 --> 01:41:49,440
just kind of demonstrates an attitude of

2432
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:52,000
let's be the most restrictive we can be.

2433
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,719
I don't much like that, but

2434
01:41:54,719 --> 01:41:57,679
it is the standard way it's done. I

2435
01:41:57,679 --> 01:42:00,239
don't know that it needs to be, but is

2436
01:42:00,239 --> 01:42:01,600
it safer?

2437
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:04,560
>> Well, it's easier to to loosen up a

2438
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:07,199
restriction than it is to

2439
01:42:07,199 --> 01:42:09,040
make something more stringent once

2440
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:10,480
somebody's already come in.

2441
01:42:10,480 --> 01:42:10,719
>> Yeah.

2442
01:42:10,719 --> 01:42:12,800
>> Accepted something looser.

2443
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:17,270
>> Yeah.

2444
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:18,719
» Gives the governing body a little more

2445
01:42:18,719 --> 01:42:21,199
latitude.

2446
01:42:21,199 --> 01:42:23,520
>> So Jana, we had a discussion earlier

2447
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:26,719
about how to compare our previous code

2448
01:42:26,719 --> 01:42:28,000
to the current code.

2449
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:28,480
>> Yes.

2450
01:42:28,480 --> 01:42:30,880
>> Who's the best GPT

2451
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:32,960
chat guy in the whole office in the

2452
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:35,679
city? You guys picked that guy out,

2453
01:42:35,679 --> 01:42:38,320
girl. because I don't know how else to

2454
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:41,119
go through all this. Can you get GBT to

2455
01:42:41,119 --> 01:42:43,040
lay those two documents and and spit out

2456
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:45,280
a document showed you the differences?

2457
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:47,520
>> I'm sure that that could probably be

2458
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:48,560
something that we could

2459
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:50,080
>> and you don't I mean you can put big

2460
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:52,400
disclaimer on it says this is wasn't me.

2461
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:54,400
Yeah. Wasn't me. But I'm just telling

2462
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:56,960
you as many pages you're talking about

2463
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:58,239
>> because I really want to know what the

2464
01:42:58,239 --> 01:42:59,440
difference is going to be, right?

2465
01:42:59,440 --> 01:43:00,400
Because that's what we're really going

2466
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:01,520
to be chasing.

2467
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:02,080
>> Yeah.

2468
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:03,360
>> Things that are the same we really don't

2469
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:05,360
care about because we're okay with it.

2470
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:06,560
Let it be.

2471
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:08,880
>> Anyway, I don't know that it work, but

2472
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:09,840
>> if you [clears throat] can get me the

2473
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:12,480
old version like in a PDF, I can wear a

2474
01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:14,480
word PDF. Either way, I can put it in

2475
01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:17,840
our our my company pays for the

2476
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:18,480
co-pilot.

2477
01:43:18,480 --> 01:43:19,199
>> Fancy one.

2478
01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:21,520
>> The fancy co-pilot. I can plop them both

2479
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:22,480
in and do that.

2480
01:43:22,480 --> 01:43:24,639
>> You can. Okay. Well, I was just

2481
01:43:24,639 --> 01:43:25,760
>> just Yeah,

2482
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:26,960
>> that' be really good

2483
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:29,040
>> because the whole chapters are online. I

2484
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,520
mean, you go and

2485
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:32,080
download it.

2486
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:33,040
>> Oh, yeah.

2487
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:35,280
>> You could just copy and paste it. you

2488
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:37,199
copy and paste it and download each one

2489
01:43:37,199 --> 01:43:40,560
of those chapters and then I guess you

2490
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:44,000
could take this PDF and then you could

2491
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:46,159
take and you could compare it would pull

2492
01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:51,360
out the differences. So, I popped in the new one just asked it to do like,

2493
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:52,719
you know, I'm on the planning and zoning

2494
01:43:52,719 --> 01:43:53,760
committee.

2495
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:55,280
>> What comments do you have regarding this

2496
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:56,639
document as it looks to replace our

2497
01:43:56,639 --> 01:43:58,080
current? Do you see any ambiguities,

2498
01:43:58,080 --> 01:43:59,840
conflicts, or items of concern that I

2499
01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:00,880
should bring up prior to being

2500
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:02,080
implemented?

2501
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:04,639
>> And it's got a list here.

2502
01:44:04,639 --> 01:44:05,040
>> Okay.

2503
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:07,840
>> So, I'll do I'll add in that one, the

2504
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:10,800
old one, and ask it to see what the

2505
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:13,119
differences are.

2506
01:44:13,119 --> 01:44:15,600
>> I mean, anything help, right?

2507
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:17,600
>> Yeah. Yeah,

2508
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:21,189
>> sir.

2509
01:44:21,199 --> 01:44:24,960
» Yeah, but but they're so different.

2510
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:27,199
>> They're quite different. It's not easy

2511
01:44:27,199 --> 01:44:28,080
to lay

2512
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:28,880
>> compare

2513
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:30,880
>> a pie on top of a cake and say,

2514
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:32,000
>> "Well, you just want

2515
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:34,159
>> these just they fit real easy." They

2516
01:44:34,159 --> 01:44:36,159
don't fit real easy. They're not exactly

2517
01:44:36,159 --> 01:44:38,800
the same.

2518
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:42,870
>> Because I want to see it.

2519
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:44,400
» That's all it is.

2520
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:46,080
>> I want to see it.

2521
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:48,239
So, two options. We could either

2522
01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:49,360
>> I just do this whole section.

2523
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:52,400
>> You could we could do this if you want a

2524
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:54,880
comparison chart. We could come back and

2525
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:56,960
I'd like to

2526
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:58,400
>> Okay. Either

2527
01:44:58,400 --> 01:44:59,920
>> I'm not asking y'all to do a lot of

2528
01:44:59,920 --> 01:45:02,080
work. I'm just saying if that tool's out

2529
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:04,080
there, we might as well take a stab at

2530
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:05,520
it and see what it throws at us.

2531
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:08,159
>> Commissioner Nick wants to do that. That

2532
01:45:08,159 --> 01:45:10,639
would be awesome. And I mean, but we

2533
01:45:10,639 --> 01:45:12,400
would probably in the next

2534
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:14,159
>> and y'all ought to look at it and see if

2535
01:45:14,159 --> 01:45:17,199
you see And if it looks crazy, you know,

2536
01:45:17,199 --> 01:45:21,040
>> so potentially we could I mean use our

2537
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:24,320
time this evening. We can also um if you

2538
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:28,800
wanted to prior to the next

2539
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:30,960
planning commission prior to the August

2540
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:34,000
31st date somewhere I don't know in a

2541
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,159
couple weeks have either a special

2542
01:45:36,159 --> 01:45:39,280
meeting where we go through and prepare

2543
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:40,560
something where we can look at the

2544
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:44,159
differences and highlight that um and go

2545
01:45:44,159 --> 01:45:47,760
over individual questions or changes

2546
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:51,440
um or we can have I can only meet

2547
01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:54,639
up to two commissioners at one time if

2548
01:45:54,639 --> 01:45:56,320
we wanted to do that and not have a

2549
01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:59,679
special meeting. If we wanted to would

2550
01:45:59,679 --> 01:46:03,760
volunteer to meet with me and staff um

2551
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:06,320
or have a special meeting to review that

2552
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:09,360
or however you guys think it'd be best

2553
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:12,560
to do do that.

2554
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:14,320
>> I'm fine either way.

2555
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:16,639
>> I don't necessarily have to be involved.

2556
01:46:16,639 --> 01:46:18,560
I just I just want to see the changes

2557
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:19,840
that way I can kind of look through it

2558
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:21,280
before

2559
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:22,639
have a final opinion.

2560
01:46:22,639 --> 01:46:24,639
>> Then we could send those we we could if

2561
01:46:24,639 --> 01:46:27,920
we make that we could then make a I know

2562
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:29,840
somebody who would be perfect to do that

2563
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:32,400
job.

2564
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:37,280
Um that we would be able to uh

2565
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:39,679
prepare that and bring that back you

2566
01:46:39,679 --> 01:46:42,560
before the next meeting or like I said I

2567
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:44,880
can have as long as I'm not meeting with

2568
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:51,040
more than two I'm happy to do that. It's up to you guys. We can do that two

2569
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:53,840
weeks prior to that planning commission

2570
01:46:53,840 --> 01:47:00,950
meeting 31st.

2571
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:02,960
» Well, that's interesting. I mean, we

2572
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:04,400
have brought this up before. This isn't

2573
01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:06,960
the first time we mentioned this.

2574
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:09,760
>> I mean, that's that's what the guy that

2575
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:11,760
did the river's edge, river view,

2576
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:14,239
whatever, when he rewrote all the code,

2577
01:47:14,239 --> 01:47:15,760
marked out everything, showed this is

2578
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:17,040
what I'm modifying.

2579
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:19,679
>> Yeah. Red line strikeout. It happens.

2580
01:47:19,679 --> 01:47:20,639
>> Surprising to me that they didn't

2581
01:47:20,639 --> 01:47:23,440
deliver a document that way.

2582
01:47:23,440 --> 01:47:24,000
>> I don't know.

2583
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:26,080
>> But this is just a cheat, right? That

2584
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:28,000
this is a way to try to get most of the

2585
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:29,119
information

2586
01:47:29,119 --> 01:47:31,440
>> side by side. And that GPT chat does

2587
01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:33,600
some pretty good stuff.

2588
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:35,760
>> It's not all right. Don't get me wrong.

2589
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:38,000
>> That's correct. It's thinking.

2590
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:42,229
>> I bet it is.

2591
01:47:42,239 --> 01:47:44,880
» If Nick can do that, give it to us. We

2592
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:47,679
can look at that as well as

2593
01:47:47,679 --> 01:47:49,119
>> start with that and then all your notes

2594
01:47:49,119 --> 01:47:50,639
and we can go through our own and then

2595
01:47:50,639 --> 01:47:53,040
whoever wants to meet with her a couple

2596
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:54,560
weeks or if you all want to do it all

2597
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:55,920
together we can do that. Whichever way

2598
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:58,159
you want to do it be fine with me.

2599
01:47:58,159 --> 01:48:00,400
>> We can do a special meeting pretty easy.

2600
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:01,920
Um,

2601
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:04,080
I I mean

2602
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:07,040
I haven't got through all of all of the

2603
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:13,119
both 153 and 154, but I've got

2604
01:48:13,119 --> 01:48:15,040
paragraph to paragraph notes.

2605
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:16,480
>> I know

2606
01:48:16,480 --> 01:48:18,000
>> that

2607
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:20,159
we can go over some of them worthwhile

2608
01:48:20,159 --> 01:48:24,400
like the egg deal and there's a couple

2609
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:27,679
some tables that lines out of or it's

2610
01:48:27,679 --> 01:48:29,360
repeated

2611
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:31,760
>> but And some of them are comments like

2612
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:33,760
that last one of mine. I don't really

2613
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:36,719
like being the most respect restrictive

2614
01:48:36,719 --> 01:48:41,830
body on the world. U

2615
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:49,920
and at some point

2616
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:53,520
N's going to have to

2617
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:54,880
listen to me tell her about them because

2618
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:56,320
she can't read my writing.

2619
01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:58,159
>> Yeah, I understand.

2620
01:48:58,159 --> 01:49:00,080
I can, you know, if you want, I don't

2621
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:04,550
know, um,

2622
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:06,639
Nick would, if you want to be involved

2623
01:49:06,639 --> 01:49:08,560
with part of that or come in and we

2624
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:10,080
could just meet

2625
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:10,560
>> Yeah.

2626
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:12,159
>> and not have a special meeting and we

2627
01:49:12,159 --> 01:49:14,159
could you could get the

2628
01:49:14,159 --> 01:49:15,920
>> give it all to us.

2629
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:18,159
>> We all look at it and then

2630
01:49:18,159 --> 01:49:19,920
>> you all finish your little dialogue and

2631
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:21,440
you have some comments you want to send

2632
01:49:21,440 --> 01:49:23,199
out. Then that way we'll have that to

2633
01:49:23,199 --> 01:49:24,800
look at along with whatever we got. Then

2634
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:27,760
when we sit down in August, we can try

2635
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:29,040
to go through it.

2636
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:31,520
>> So what what program is it that you

2637
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:33,520
>> It's Microsoft.

2638
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:35,679
>> Co-pilot co-pilot. Okay.

2639
01:49:35,679 --> 01:49:36,639
>> There's a plethora of them.

2640
01:49:36,639 --> 01:49:37,440
>> I don't have that.

2641
01:49:37,440 --> 01:49:38,080
>> It's Microsoft.

2642
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:39,760
>> It uses chat GPT

2643
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:42,000
>> to do that. I need to get that

2644
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:43,679
>> a separate license from Microsoft.

2645
01:49:43,679 --> 01:49:46,639
>> Right. It uses chat, but it also uses

2646
01:49:46,639 --> 01:49:49,760
some of the other like I can have it

2647
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:51,440
switch to the different ones.

2648
01:49:51,440 --> 01:49:52,960
>> Oh, really?

2649
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:55,679
I have to ask thought about that.

2650
01:49:55,679 --> 01:50:01,910
Microsoft autopilot.

2651
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:05,270
» Oh, okay.

2652
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:07,600
» Well, unless it sounds like it's doing a

2653
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:09,600
little bit more. I mean, I know. Well,

2654
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:11,360
it's not. I don't know. I tried to put

2655
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:12,880
something in today because I've been

2656
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:15,840
looking at a development uh code

2657
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:18,880
handbook and I said, "Chat GBT, write me

2658
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:21,840
a development code handbook based on

2659
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:24,400
Newcastle subdivision zoning and sign

2660
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:28,400
code. Write me, you know, and gave me a

2661
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:30,320
detailed. Well, this is how you do it.

2662
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:31,679
And I said, well, no, I want you to

2663
01:50:31,679 --> 01:50:33,760
write it. No, that's too much. We can't

2664
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:37,600
write [laughter] it for you.

2665
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:39,920
>> I was like, well, you're a lot of help

2666
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:42,080
there. It gave me a full outline. It

2667
01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:43,360
said, um,

2668
01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:45,119
>> you need

2669
01:50:45,119 --> 01:50:47,440
see Norman, Edmund, and Oklahoma City

2670
01:50:47,440 --> 01:50:48,719
have development.

2671
01:50:48,719 --> 01:50:49,760
>> Oh, there you go. There you [laughter]

2672
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:50,480
go.

2673
01:50:50,480 --> 01:50:53,520
>> Be probably some assistance to you. And

2674
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:56,159
I was like, "Oh, I need my code in

2675
01:50:56,159 --> 01:50:58,480
there, not theirs."

2676
01:50:58,480 --> 01:51:00,400
Anyway, but yes, it can do some

2677
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,560
incredible things. And you know, if you

2678
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:03,199
wanted,

2679
01:51:03,199 --> 01:51:05,360
>> but it's not all perfect. I want

2680
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:06,560
everybody to understand that that stuff

2681
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:08,480
is not all perfect, right?

2682
01:51:08,480 --> 01:51:09,840
>> It's close.

2683
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:13,679
>> Um, I could meet sometime next week or

2684
01:51:13,679 --> 01:51:15,360
the week after.

2685
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:16,960
>> Week after be better for me.

2686
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:17,760
>> Okay.

2687
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:19,360
>> I've got to make up for all the things I

2688
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:21,679
didn't do this week.

2689
01:51:21,679 --> 01:51:22,239
Um,

2690
01:51:22,239 --> 01:51:22,880
>> because of this,

2691
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:25,040
>> do you want me to set something up? Uh,

2692
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,360
do you guys want to give

2693
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:29,840
>> will it be you and Nick or

2694
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:31,199
>> do you want would that be good?

2695
01:51:31,199 --> 01:51:32,960
>> Well, do you want in on that or do you

2696
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:34,239
want you got

2697
01:51:34,239 --> 01:51:35,679
>> on YouTube and do it? I mean,

2698
01:51:35,679 --> 01:51:37,199
>> okay, we'll do it

2699
01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:39,440
>> with that.

2700
01:51:39,440 --> 01:51:40,480
>> You'll send me

2701
01:51:40,480 --> 01:51:42,400
>> if you look through that and it looks

2702
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:43,920
deeper than you think and you want us

2703
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:46,159
all, we can do a special meeting, too.

2704
01:51:46,159 --> 01:51:47,520
You fine with that, Will?

2705
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:49,360
>> Yeah. Whatever y'all come out with, if

2706
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:50,880
you think you want us all, great. If you

2707
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:52,320
don't, you don't. It's fine.

2708
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:54,000
>> I want to I want to take time to see if

2709
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:56,159
it like the first things it's spitting

2710
01:51:56,159 --> 01:51:58,719
out are very high level like the things

2711
01:51:58,719 --> 01:51:59,440
that Oh, yeah.

2712
01:51:59,440 --> 01:52:01,040
>> you've talked about where

2713
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:02,800
>> it's Yeah, there's major structural

2714
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:05,360
changes. Yeah, we know that.

2715
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:06,960
>> Well, may maybe it won't be as good as

2716
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:07,679
you think,

2717
01:52:07,679 --> 01:52:09,920
>> right? So, I just want to There's ways

2718
01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:13,040
to the prompts that go into it help to

2719
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:15,199
curtail its response. And so I'm trying

2720
01:52:15,199 --> 01:52:16,239
to

2721
01:52:16,239 --> 01:52:18,639
>> pull out the information that you know

2722
01:52:18,639 --> 01:52:21,679
the the specific changes that

2723
01:52:21,679 --> 01:52:22,480
>> the verbiage

2724
01:52:22,480 --> 01:52:23,440
>> the verbage right

2725
01:52:23,440 --> 01:52:24,880
>> so it doesn't say you have to do it

2726
01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:26,159
yourself

2727
01:52:26,159 --> 01:52:29,199
>> right that's what I'm [laughter] working

2728
01:52:29,199 --> 01:52:30,800
>> I was like oh darn

2729
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:32,239
>> and if that's what it ends up being

2730
01:52:32,239 --> 01:52:33,440
we're probably going to need a special

2731
01:52:33,440 --> 01:52:37,280
meeting you can't get anything out of it

2732
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:39,520
>> um

2733
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:40,000
>> one of those

2734
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:42,239
>> I can get some and I can I mean I can

2735
01:52:42,239 --> 01:52:45,280
send the document to It's It's not going

2736
01:52:45,280 --> 01:52:47,520
to be necessarily I can make it a to a

2737
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:49,760
word document probably that

2738
01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:51,119
>> or PDF from there.

2739
01:52:51,119 --> 01:52:52,000
>> PDF. Yeah.

2740
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,080
>> Yeah. But I I can send it. Do I send it

2741
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:56,480
to you first, Jana or you, Gordon, or

2742
01:52:56,480 --> 01:52:58,000
everybody? I can't send it to everybody,

2743
01:52:58,000 --> 01:52:58,400
right?

2744
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:00,639
>> No, you can't send it. I can send We can

2745
01:53:00,639 --> 01:53:00,880
send it.

2746
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:01,840
>> Oh, you can send it to

2747
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:03,520
>> Yeah, you can send it to everybody.

2748
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:05,599
>> Call me up and talk about it.

2749
01:53:05,599 --> 01:53:07,119
>> Can't have a group phone conversation.

2750
01:53:07,119 --> 01:53:09,040
>> You can send us anything. Don't reply

2751
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:09,599
all to the

2752
01:53:09,599 --> 01:53:11,760
>> Don't reply all. It's the

2753
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:14,080
>> Yeah, don't reply all. I'll send it to

2754
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:17,440
everybody here and then

2755
01:53:17,440 --> 01:53:19,199
uh whenever I get something substantial

2756
01:53:19,199 --> 01:53:19,760
anyways.

2757
01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:20,239
>> Yeah.

2758
01:53:20,239 --> 01:53:21,840
>> And then

2759
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:23,360
>> we can we can work from there.

2760
01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:25,119
>> So, will you do are you wanting to do

2761
01:53:25,119 --> 01:53:28,080
each chapter or are you going to do

2762
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:29,599
>> start

2763
01:53:29,599 --> 01:53:30,320
see how it goes?

2764
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:30,960
>> See how it goes

2765
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:32,080
>> and then let me know.

2766
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:33,520
>> I can do the other ones too just the

2767
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:34,000
same.

2768
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:37,840
>> Okay. That'd be great. Okay.

2769
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:42,880
>> Right. That an email is not a

2770
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:44,719
fully distributed email or a

2771
01:53:44,719 --> 01:53:45,679
multi-istributed email.

2772
01:53:45,679 --> 01:53:47,280
>> The most conservative thing to do would

2773
01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:49,760
be have him send it to Jana and have her

2774
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:52,159
handle the distribution.

2775
01:53:52,159 --> 01:53:54,639
>> When it goes out to every member, then

2776
01:53:54,639 --> 01:53:56,080
there is an argument. That's a

2777
01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:57,440
communication to everybody.

2778
01:53:57,440 --> 01:53:58,159
>> Yeah.

2779
01:53:58,159 --> 01:53:59,920
>> And particularly if somebody hits reply

2780
01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:01,119
all, then it is a meeting.

2781
01:54:01,119 --> 01:54:01,599
>> Yeah.

2782
01:54:01,599 --> 01:54:02,800
>> We don't want to do that.

2783
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:04,000
>> That's what I thought. Mr.

2784
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:06,159
>> Maybe send it to me first and then I can

2785
01:54:06,159 --> 01:54:06,880
distribute it.

2786
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:09,840
>> So just to avoid an accidental reply

2787
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:12,560
all, I just send it to Jana first. I

2788
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:14,639
could and I can even now I sent it to

2789
01:54:14,639 --> 01:54:17,119
everybody. I obviously I sent it to

2790
01:54:17,119 --> 01:54:19,440
everybody and I didn't think about that.

2791
01:54:19,440 --> 01:54:21,599
Somebody replying all would make it

2792
01:54:21,599 --> 01:54:22,960
automatically via

2793
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:25,599
>> just do blind copy and then nobody knows

2794
01:54:25,599 --> 01:54:27,599
who you sent it to. No, I'm serious.

2795
01:54:27,599 --> 01:54:28,960
>> Oh, is that legal?

2796
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:30,000
>> Can't be a reply all that way.

2797
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:31,840
>> You can't do a reply all. It's not it's

2798
01:54:31,840 --> 01:54:34,080
not being subversive hiding anything.

2799
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:35,599
I'm just saying we can't if we reply

2800
01:54:35,599 --> 01:54:37,119
all, it doesn't matter. It only goes

2801
01:54:37,119 --> 01:54:37,599
back to you.

2802
01:54:37,599 --> 01:54:39,119
>> Well, we send our agendas out like that

2803
01:54:39,119 --> 01:54:41,440
and our packets out like that. It just

2804
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:44,000
usually people don't reply at all. I

2805
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:45,440
mean, do you think I should be able

2806
01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:48,000
maybe I should send it out individually

2807
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:49,280
to be most conservative?

2808
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:50,560
>> I think that idea is okay.

2809
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:52,320
>> It's okay to blind copy.

2810
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:53,599
>> I've read a deal on that.

2811
01:54:53,599 --> 01:54:55,520
>> It just goes back to the sender.

2812
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:57,119
>> It's one to one at that point and

2813
01:54:57,119 --> 01:54:58,960
there's no problem.

2814
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:00,320
>> Okay.

2815
01:55:00,320 --> 01:55:02,320
>> So, I still send it to Jana or I blank

2816
01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:04,080
copy everybody.

2817
01:55:04,080 --> 01:55:05,119
>> Just send it to Jana.

2818
01:55:05,119 --> 01:55:06,400
>> I would start with her and let her

2819
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:07,920
disseminate it and then

2820
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:10,159
>> and then Yeah. And then is what I'll do

2821
01:55:10,159 --> 01:55:13,440
is I will um

2822
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:15,440
I can send you an email tomorrow with

2823
01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:23,280
dates and times for uh be the second week in in August. Do you guys

2824
01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:26,560
have any days or times that are better

2825
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:30,159
for you guys than others? I mean

2826
01:55:30,159 --> 01:55:31,599
>> I'm probably good till school starts,

2827
01:55:31,599 --> 01:55:32,639
but

2828
01:55:32,639 --> 01:55:35,119
>> if I'm just meeting with these two or

2829
01:55:35,119 --> 01:55:37,679
and then or we can decide on a special I

2830
01:55:37,679 --> 01:55:39,599
mean if If we're doing a special

2831
01:55:39,599 --> 01:55:41,119
meeting, I'd like to be able to do it

2832
01:55:41,119 --> 01:55:43,599
like that second week in August or the

2833
01:55:43,599 --> 01:55:46,080
it goes we get too close to planning

2834
01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:49,280
commission if we're going to do if we

2835
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:52,159
want to meet just with you two and you

2836
01:55:52,159 --> 01:55:53,440
guys take and

2837
01:55:53,440 --> 01:55:55,280
>> we don't know that answer yet, right?

2838
01:55:55,280 --> 01:55:57,760
>> We could do that too and we say let's

2839
01:55:57,760 --> 01:55:59,920
set up the meeting and then for for a

2840
01:55:59,920 --> 01:56:02,080
special meeting it just has to be posted

2841
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:03,520
48 hours in advance.

2842
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:06,639
>> So we could still get a special meeting

2843
01:56:06,639 --> 01:56:08,480
one. Yeah.

2844
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:10,159
the

2845
01:56:10,159 --> 01:56:12,000
six we've got a board of adjustment but

2846
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:13,920
that's in the evening not during the

2847
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:16,880
>> I'm looking at the following week and

2848
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:19,040
you guys are available like after late

2849
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:21,040
afternoon or

2850
01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:22,880
>> week of the 10th

2851
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:24,800
>> I'm available

2852
01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:27,760
uh anytime I might be out of town Monday

2853
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:30,159
actually so it would be

2854
01:56:30,159 --> 01:56:32,159
>> yeah council's on the 10th

2855
01:56:32,159 --> 01:56:35,199
>> I can do Tuesday

2856
01:56:35,199 --> 01:56:37,920
really anytime Tuesday.

2857
01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:39,920
>> Okay. The 11th.

2858
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:42,080
>> I can do the 11th. The 12th and 13th. I

2859
01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:45,280
got to go south.

2860
01:56:45,280 --> 01:56:47,679
>> Okay. And the following week you'll be

2861
01:56:47,679 --> 01:56:48,560
in.

2862
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:49,920
>> No. Yeah. I'm just going to be gone. As

2863
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:51,199
far as I know, I'll only be gone the

2864
01:56:51,199 --> 01:56:52,000
12th and 13th.

2865
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:53,360
>> Okay.

2866
01:56:53,360 --> 01:56:56,480
>> Then Gordon.

2867
01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:58,159
>> I can play retired. That's it.

2868
01:56:58,159 --> 01:56:59,199
>> Okay. So,

2869
01:56:59,199 --> 01:57:03,840
>> so on the 11th would be good.

2870
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:07,360
Okay. So I'll send and you would be it's

2871
01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:09,920
afternoon or

2872
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:11,360
>> morning works better. I have it two

2873
01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:12,480
o'clock but I can

2874
01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:14,159
>> I can do morning like you want to do

2875
01:57:14,159 --> 01:57:16,560
like the 9 or 10 a.m.

2876
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:18,639
>> as early as as early as 8 works for me

2877
01:57:18,639 --> 01:57:21,520
>> as 8. Okay.

2878
01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:23,040
>> Okay. So that's what that's not

2879
01:57:23,040 --> 01:57:24,400
>> this is just this is not a special

2880
01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:28,400
meeting. This just BS. So, on Tuesday,

2881
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:32,000
uh, August 11th,

2882
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:35,840
is 8:30 or 9 good with you, Gordon?

2883
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:38,000
>> 8:30. 8 8

2884
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:40,639
>> We can do eight. We do 8:00. So, I can

2885
01:57:40,639 --> 01:57:43,199
send an invite to you, too, for August

2886
01:57:43,199 --> 01:57:46,080
11th at 8:00.

2887
01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:47,760
And then when we go through that, this

2888
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:50,480
way I'll have time to get that from you

2889
01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:52,480
and then

2890
01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:55,040
we'll have time to send it out. we can

2891
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:57,440
meet and then we can see what it's

2892
01:57:57,440 --> 01:58:01,030
telling what

2893
01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:03,040
» if we need to go for a special meeting

2894
01:58:03,040 --> 01:58:05,760
or if we can work out any type of

2895
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:08,400
revisions that we would want to do right

2896
01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:08,800
there.

2897
01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:09,119
>> Yeah.

2898
01:58:09,119 --> 01:58:11,360
>> Because what I'll do is I we'll make the

2899
01:58:11,360 --> 01:58:14,159
revisions in house of what we want and

2900
01:58:14,159 --> 01:58:16,400
then I'll send update our consultants

2901
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:18,480
that hey we're making these changes you

2902
01:58:18,480 --> 01:58:22,239
know before we take them forward.

2903
01:58:22,239 --> 01:58:24,639
>> Is that do that at city hall? So, we'll

2904
01:58:24,639 --> 01:58:26,800
do that at my Yeah, my office, city

2905
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:30,310
hall.

2906
01:58:30,320 --> 01:58:33,040
» I'll send an invite Tuesday.

2907
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:35,679
>> I think if y'all figure you decide you

2908
01:58:35,679 --> 01:58:38,159
want more, then we'll me and Will make

2909
01:58:38,159 --> 01:58:40,080
it whatever we need to do.

2910
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:40,719
>> Yeah. Then we could

2911
01:58:40,719 --> 01:58:42,400
>> Well, we can call around and find that

2912
01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:42,800
out.

2913
01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:45,920
>> Yeah. Yeah. Whatever y'all need. Got it.

2914
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:47,840
Fine. I should be able to get something

2915
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:52,239
out to you, Jana, tomorrow with I should

2916
01:58:52,239 --> 01:58:54,400
have some time to put something together

2917
01:58:54,400 --> 01:58:55,920
and you can distribute it out from

2918
01:58:55,920 --> 01:58:56,639
there.

2919
01:58:56,639 --> 01:58:57,440
>> Okay.

2920
01:58:57,440 --> 01:59:00,320
>> We can do your special meeting the 18th.

2921
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:02,239
>> The 18th

2922
01:59:02,239 --> 01:59:05,119
>> if you need two weeks before your

2923
01:59:05,119 --> 01:59:05,840
regular meeting.

2924
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:07,599
>> Yeah, that would be

2925
01:59:07,599 --> 01:59:09,840
>> just write it down whether we put it out

2926
01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:12,719
in public or not.

2927
01:59:12,719 --> 01:59:14,560
>> We would have to that would just mean

2928
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:17,119
that's putting out that Um,

2929
01:59:17,119 --> 01:59:20,000
>> Jen just post it that Friday before.

2930
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:39,189
Yeah,

2931
01:59:39,199 --> 01:59:43,910
» just took care of your next item.

2932
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:55,830
» Well, you've taken care of that.

2933
01:59:55,840 --> 01:59:57,520
discussion possible action on setting

2934
01:59:57,520 --> 01:59:59,199
date for next special meeting. We've

2935
01:59:59,199 --> 02:00:01,599
done that.

2936
02:00:01,599 --> 02:00:03,840
New business really done that because

2937
02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:06,400
we've set an agreement and possible

2938
02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:10,709
special meeting. Old business

2939
02:00:10,719 --> 02:00:13,599
uh adjournment.

2940
02:00:13,599 --> 02:00:15,440
>> Make a motion to journ.

2941
02:00:15,440 --> 02:00:17,840
favor.

2942
02:00:17,840 --> 02:00:18,719
>> Will you second?

2943
02:00:18,719 --> 02:00:21,679
>> I'll second. That's fine.

2944
02:00:21,679 --> 02:00:25,280
>> Thank you all. I appreciate it.