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of these issues as inconvenient as they
may be. Uh the goal of the commission is

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to ask the tough questions. Um Chris,
>> they cover this commission.

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» I think you should have introduced
yourself and the board.

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» So I have that next and I'm sorry I
thought I did at the beginning that I'm

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vice chair Christian acting chair this
evening. Um we'll go into a roll call in

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just a moment. I have one housekeeping
item in addition to this. Um but u I

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will say that uh I guess the last thing
I'll say is that um disagreement is

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normal uh and expected and uh and for
the public to be here and raise concern

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is also normal and expected. So um we
should look at everything presented

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objectively and uh and hold ourselves
accountable. And with that just one

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quick um I guess we can go into roll
call and then I have a housekeeping

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item. So we can start

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» Christine McDade treasurer
>> Joshua secretary Mark Casper Fields

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» and
>> Alison

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» Alison
thank you

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» the White House I have a clarification
this is not a public hearing this

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evening it is a a meeting in public of
conservation commission. That said, the

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commission is not required uh to allow
public comment. However, we've made it a

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regular best practice that has that kind
of standing item on the agenda. There's

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been quite a bit of outreach uh with
regards to a desire to make public

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comment this evening. So, as we've done
in the past, there is a signup sheet

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over here uh for those interested in
making public comment. Uh new field

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presidents as we've done in the name and
address and each member of the public

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will be equal time two minutes for
public comment.

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» You know, I asked to be on the agenda
and you said I would given time to

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speak. You did not say you were
restricting.

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» I'm not sure who you are.
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I asked to be on the agenda to be able
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» My response to you was that you could
give comment or public And then I asked

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for clarification and you didn't send
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» I believe there was the
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an attempt by you to not let me sir.
>> There you had reached out. If you'd like

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me to email my response was

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» First warning, sir.
>> I don't think you responded

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to his response. I didn't respond back
because you clarified what I had said.

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I said the only thing that was on the
agenda was public.

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» Correct. And my initial
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all right.
Let's uh delve into the agenda. Uh the

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first item is previous meeting minutes.
have been a bit of a backlog of meeting

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minutes 18 to June 15th and
[clears throat] the July 20th meeting.

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Um I know sent those out to each of us
with the revisions that have been

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requested. I guess we could start with
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and if there were any corrections or
amendments additional by anyone like

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» I have no additional.
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approve the May 18th as
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» All in favor?

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» Uh the next is the June 15 meeting
minutes. Again amendments for those

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minutes.
>> I have no additional

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» hearing. None. I move to approve the
June 15th meeting minutes as presented.

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» All in favor?
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uh and then the July 20th and I saw that
you had incorporated Chris's edits

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» and I would suggest one.
>> Oh, that's right.

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» Any additional corrections or amendments
to the July 28th

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None. I move to approve the July 20th
minutes as presented.

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All in favor?

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» Okay. Second agenda. So there have
there's been quite a bit of discussion

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around minutes and trying to find a
balance between uh verb recordings and

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more success

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and elaborating on the proposal.
Um so yeah certainly the last meetings

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request to make the minutes more
transcript. Um so I just want to share

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my view that that's really not what
minutes should be. um minute should be

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just an overview of the cabinet meeting,
a general idea of what was discussed and

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any action items that help with that. So
the um the suggestion that I made is to

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as we move forward under each item I
would do a very short what was discussed

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but no actual statements made by any
particular person and any actions that

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come out of that and I would link each a
each um agenda item or minute item to

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video to the exact in the video. So I
want to hear the full discussion that

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would happen there. I think what happens
especially as the as someations get

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longer or could be contentious that um
people have ideas of I want my statement

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to be in there and that then ends up
with months and months of edits things

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like that. So I think this would be a
good format moving forward. It makes it

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very readable for someone just see what
happened here, what were decisions made,

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what are next steps and then they can
watch the video at the time.

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» And if someone wanted to get into the
nitty-gritty details of the meeting,

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what's the retention period for a
YouTube video? How long is it available

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for?
>> Uh, question.

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» I think it's indefinite. I mean, it
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» Sounds good.
>> And and are are is the transcript I saw

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it came up that it said it was
transcribing

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» the transcript is tougher because the
the audio is connected to because we're

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logged in as right now and so it doesn't
identify any particular person as they

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speak and the transcript obviously is
done by AI so it's not ideal. It does

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give the whole conversation but it says
Sue was the entire time. There are

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certainly other tools and other product
software hardware that that the town

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could invest in where you wear something
and it tell it knows who you are.

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» No, I was just asking when I saw the
transcript, you know, somebody wanted to

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check. I know when it does the um the
video and it it turns it into text.

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Sometimes you can hear something and see
that the text is wrong.

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» Yes.
>> So there'll always be those kinds of

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errors anyway.
>> Okay. Okay. So, but something is

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available if somebody wanted to dive
into the the details both the video and

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the transcript. Okay.

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» Yeah. I mean certainly when I wasn't
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meetings took me quite a bit longer that
minutes because I was pausing because I

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wanted to get exact verbiage because
that was the direction was going in. So

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I was pausing and going back
and that takes a really long time

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» and you had

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um only question

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speakers

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Yeah. So it would be it wouldn't be any
statements made during the conversation.

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It would be the action who made the
movement

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was did it pass? Did it fail? Was there

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» I would move that we accept Caitlyn's
suggestion for the content of our

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minutes from this point forward.

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» Chris.
>> Sure. So, um, for the end of July, our

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conservation account currently has
$76,354.19

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and our current use account currently
has $21,972.33.

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Um, the dividends were respectively
$238.11

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and $68.51
and the um interest for this month was

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3.683% 683%
uh which is slightly up from the

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previous months. Uh there were no um
expenditures uh out of either of these

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accounts and uh did put in the request
based on the previous approval for the

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um invoice that have been discussed
previously and soon should be able to do

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that now that she has

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good shape for now.
>> All right. With that I move to accept

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ascepted.
All in favor

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next section.

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So a few pieces of course

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here. Uh on July 30th uh 2026 a Thursday
we received a letter from Johan Hanley

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trails and community engagement manager
itself

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communication was intended to alert
commission that he was handed to write a

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letter that day so July 30th to the
select board and town hall the self

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informs the board
about plans to expand this greenway on

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the road to accommodate up to six years.
He notes that the expansion permitted

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under the conservation included in the
2023 management plan updated and

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approved by the commission.
Uh lastly, you know, the work will

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include minor site improvements
including the removal of approximately

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297
soil, a short section of stone walls and

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one roof tree and along with that the
installation of a split rail front and

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replacement of an existing kiosk. Uh it
looks like they anticipate work will

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start late summer or early fall.

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And all these all these letters will go
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Uh August 6, 2026, uh Thursday, a letter
submitted by uh a communication by Derek

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Trent, the event specialist itself.
Basically, the honor students letter

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highlights some upcoming events, trail
fest, nothing

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tripard,
nothing.

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summer series

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and along with a number of other items
and then you know at the end if anyone's

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interested in further information on
these events you can go to south new

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hampshire.orgself
selfdevents website.

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August 11th, 2026 on Monday, a
communication from Sydney Dendro from

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Water Planning Assistant at New
Hampshire Department of Environmental

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Services basically announcing that the
alteration of brain permit applications

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are now exclusively available online
through New Hampshire and Virro portal.

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Uh the portal allows users to search for
projects, view application materials,

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check for project status, know what are
required and uh hard copy site plan must

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still be provided to the local advisory
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On
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Friday, this past Friday, a letter from
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Uh the letter talks about the commission
receiving

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uh
in short commission received a letter uh

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concerning the selection of the next
chair asking that Chandler automatically

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become chair. Instead, she asked that
commission members to consider

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[clears throat]
my qualification chair's qualifications,

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independence and pursuant partiality as
well as the process for appointing

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commission members and prior involvement
of commissioners fields and matters

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related to former chair Thomas and

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this talk

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The truth of the underlying raises
concern

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succession of vice chair chair is
automatic and to consider these other

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factors instead
consider

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on August 16 letter from Brian Johnson
uh with an email attached letter uh

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requesting that fields refuse himself
conservation commission and other

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municipal matters specifically involving
burning family farm or the burning

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property citing his prior public
statements expressing strong personal

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opposition to the farm's activities and
asserting that they violate the law the

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request raised grants of impartiality
and ask to review applicable conflict of

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interest policies requested letter
referenced which

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August 5th and 14 a letter from
who I just met. Uh chronologically on

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August 5th Mr. began request to address
the conservation commission on August

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17th meeting regarding the Vernon family
farm and was advised that he should

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speak during public comment. On August
14, he submitted a draft of a formal

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complaint seeking Christian
from the commission alleging procedural

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misconduction.

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conclusion with select board chair OB
and bias against the department. His

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letter focuses primarily on allegedness
by challengers including handling of

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refusal
his appointment process and his conduct

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related matters request a public hearing
for removal under RSA 36A 3.

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Alternatively, we ask that recuse
himself of all related matters and

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lastly
share.

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That is the end of mail received. Those
letters in their target will be entered

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into the public record and next on the
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will be public comments. Uh
and if anyone else uh during the course

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before we If you're interested, the
signup sheet is there. Um, I'll remind

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members that this is a chance for the
public to comment. It's their two

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minutes of time. Uh, so we should not
disturb any of their time. It's not Q&A,

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not a chance for the public to share
their thoughts.

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» Are you going to mention the letter from
lawyer?

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» Oh, yeah. We could I I was going to
bring that up later with that particular

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item, but um when we get to burn that up
as well. Um

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» how many how many people do we have on
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» Three. Okay.
>> So I I didn't know what a typical uh

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time for a public comment is. So, I did
what I do now is I asked AI and uh 2

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minutes if you're expecting a long
signup list. 3 minutes is the most

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common default. I don't think this list
is too burdensome. So, I make the motion

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to extend the time to three minutes
instead of two minutes. All in favor or

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maybe a second that.
>> All in favor?

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» Okay. Three.

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» So we received a letter from uh attorney
at about 12 today asking that the uh

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that the town council respond to uh some
items that Attorney Manelli uh wanted

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addressed.
So those items have been received by

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town council. Uh additionally there was
a request to uh make sure or a request

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uh that we not make action motion or
vote with regards to Vernon Family Farm

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this evening. Um which uh which I
believe is fine. Um I know that the

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attorney had responded uh the town
attorney has responded to

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and um and there are obviously items of
disagreement need to be worked out by

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respective councils. Uh so I think uh
with that uh those standards are uh we

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as far as
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good sense for us to withhold any
motions or votes

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» didn't that always also apply to the
ones [clears throat] discussed in July?

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that it's not just tonight, but it's
also a question about the vote that's

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taken in.

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» Uh with that, we can proceed public
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We have David

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at 57 Bill Road.
Uh I had prepared prepared a complaint

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which I had emailed in. I had checked
with various people around town and I

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was told that when a public integrity
complaint comes in, it'll be diffusive

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by not some. And I emailed this board
this week asking for clarification.

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I'm now told that I'm going to be
restricted to three minutes. He doesn't

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do it. I have about 14 minutes. I knew
that was pushing it. I figured I would

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get about 10. So at some point I would
like my public integrity complaint read

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in full. But between the time of that
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I read articles and saw more of the
meetings in question and it really

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really made me angry to the point that I
had to include in my public integrity

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complaint not only Chris but also
Fields. I dug up some of his Facebook uh

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posts on the vern and they were mean
spirited. They were gratuitous and they

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were attempting to harm the burn family
farm in a financial matter because they

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were in response to a co by the burn
family farm. And I'm sure the Vernon

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agree with what was said.
Uh, so he should be recusing himself and

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uh, Chris, I mean, I'm sure you've read
the complaint. Uh, obviously want to

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summarize it. So, I'm just going to
read, you guys can cut me off when we

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get to three minutes.
What has been reported in the press and

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by Mark Casper illustrates clear
collusion between select board chairman

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and conservation commissioner member
Chris despite both protesting and

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falsely claiming they were revealing
pollution in others. My prepared

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complaint against
is incompetence and collusion with the

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select board chairman has already been
submitted to the conservation committee

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via email but the events of last week
specifically Mr. Shandris and Caleb

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signing an aligning the former
conservation commissioner chair force me

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also made an additional integrity
complaint against Mr. Phy

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and now conspiring with Mr. Chandelas
this complaint along with the one you

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already have on Mr.
will be submitted to the select board

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asking for both members to be removed
for cause. Quite simply, Taylor Fields

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and Chris are only on the conservation
commission because they reliable anti-

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burden with their votes. Most likely,
they were tipped off in BFF beyond the

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conservation commission agenda soon
after they were appointed in a shady

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underhanded manner. They are currently
in the minority among more qualified

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conservation commission members and
they're now trying to whittle away the

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majority by behaving in an unethical
underhanded manner and claiming that

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others are quote biased unquote when
they themselves or at least Mr. Fields

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is extremely biased and transparent in
his loathing of the burn family. Mr.

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Shadowis like Mr. Harmon and Mr.
Loa by disguising himself as a helpless

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bureaucrat is only following the law. He
is not. Mr. Shannis is basically

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I will submit everything else for the
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» Just one more point of clarification.
The commission is not the appointed body

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for so but I do believe that
>> I asked it to be for the select. I will

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address the select
policy I believe is to be public

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integrity.

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Next class.

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» Good evening. I'm Brad Johnson.
Thanks for

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submitted requests
as you mentioned asking that

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conservation commission matters in
this based on Facebook statements that

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Mr. Fields made property owner
expressing strong personal and

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opposition to the farm's operation. He
wrote quote I stand with and support

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farms not concert halls and bars open
areas. He also repeatedly stated as fact

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quote against every law local and state
and he also stated once abandoned a bar

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go to the shopping closet in
not asking the commission to rule these

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legal claims tonight asking to address
the appearance of impartiality someone

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judge matter as unlawful and
participates in governmental decisions

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about that same property in a small town
is not realistic to expect officials

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opinions about interactions with people.
That's not a standard asking for this is

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about the extreme and repeated nature of
Mr. stated opposition which goes well

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beyond ordinary opinion and raises a
real question about his ability to be

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partial
concerns about the process matters

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I'm going to ask that you not
YouTube as you posted things on Facebook

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this part.

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» It's disheartening to see base face
baseless criticisms

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overshadow the genuine positive impact
that Chris and Kayla Fields have had on

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our town. Their actions have been guided
by our desire to improve our environment

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and enrich our community our community's
quality of life. You will not find

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anyone more transparent about the issues
pertaining to our conservation land.

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President Caleb took an oath to maintain
transparency and honesty and in my

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opinion my opinion only, they are the
only two members of this board

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in the last five years that have carried
through with that vote.

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Why would anyone question members of
conservation commission showing concern

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for town conservation land?

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They're getting backlash for actually
doing the job they volunteered to do.

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In my opinion, the efforts of deflection
seem a bit suspicious. Not only are

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Caleb and Chris invested in protecting
the town's conservation land and

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maintaining transparency and integrity,
they have helped with concomment.

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Before being a member of the Pinecom,
Caleb did the aerial surveying and

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pictures for the beaver issues on the
Piscas Greenway. He is also looking into

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the new wetlands regulations
and they have both done a ton of

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research on soil integrity
and testing and the effects of misuse of

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that land.
I urge everyone here to focus on

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supporting and appreciating the hard
work they continue to do for our

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community and for the preservation of
our land. Thank you, Chris, for all you

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do. Thank you for all you do.

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» Thank you.
With that, that is the last before we

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move on to the next agenda item. I'll
offer one more time

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from public comment. Then,
uh the next agenda item is something

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that's I requires clarification. So
there was some recent discussion about

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our uh general inbox investation
conservation at new fields nh.gov.

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Um just some suggestions that we should
all be checking it that it's sometimes

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being used for CCing members. So I think
to avoid future confusion we should have

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some agreement about how that's being
used. I know Um Allison Watts had shared

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the user and password with all of us
although I believe I and a few other

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commission members were not aware or had
forgotten that that had been shared with

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us. Um but nonetheless we all had access
to that inbox. Um so uh but again the

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way that I understand that inbox uh it
had been suggested that maybe we use it

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to CC one another. I think our general
practice has been to include everyone's

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individual emails when we're ceasing
versus ceasing the conub. I believe it's

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more of a external communication tool
for inbound communications. I will also

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say that when you go to the website, it
says specifically on the link email

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conservation chair. So the indication
that it is for the conservation chair.

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But I bring that up because I think the
questions that we need to answer so that

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there is no more confusion around it
moving forward is what is the intended

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use of that general email and inbox
who's responsible for monitoring it? Is

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it a joint responsibility or is it
solely the the responsibility of the

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chair and um should it be used for
internal communications or is it purely

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for use uh with the public?
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No, I'll just reiterate that the basic
need for it was to provide some

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continuity between chairs. So if that
person changes, comes in and out of the

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role, then they have the history and
they can go back. So I just wanted to

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put that out there.
>> Um this is Allison. Can you guys hear

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me?
>> Yep, we can.

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» Yeah. So just also a little context
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I I would say
um maybe not necessarily deeply

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important emails, the updates from
um you know there's going to be a a fish

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fest, there's a beaver thing, so general
educational stuff. There's a lot of

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stuff that comes through that email. Um
and part of the reason people don't what

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I do is I forward it straight into my
email so I get it all. Um people in the

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past have not wanted that much because
if there's a lot of email, you know, we

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all have too much email. So, some people
wanted to be able to have a way of

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focusing it. So, that was that was
another way people approached it. I

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don't particularly care. I get it all,
but we wanted to give people the choice

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of getting all of it or being able to
focus more.

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» I mean,

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Yeah, I think that as far as I mean to
me it is kind of a general inbox. I

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think it's from a transparency
standpoint it's kind of nice that we all

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have access to it. Um and the intent
isn't for example if there's a matter

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chair and county council or something
like that. It would be sent to the

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general inbox. So I don't think there's
any I don't see any issues with other

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members having access to it. U
I I feel like as far as since it's uh to

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your point Josh and on the website that
it does indicate that it goes to the

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chair that um that it be the
responsibility of the chair to monitor

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that and sort of uh Are you any relevant
indications to the commission versus the

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expectation that individual
commissioners are expected to check?

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It sort of comes with the responsibility
of the chair.

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» Yeah, I think I think leaving it open
for all commission members to access uh

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is is a good thing. I think the only
risk is if someone deletes something by

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accident. There's a lot of hands in
there. It can happen, but the the risk

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of that is fairly low.

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» I think it's fair for anyone who does
have to check it, which I'm trying to do

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more frequently now that I know it and
have access to it. Um, that if something

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looks like it's significant, I think any
one of us can bring it up to the rest of

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the commission to say, is there
something we should be doing here as a

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as a commission?

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So, I'm not going to count on just the
chair to make that assessment.

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» Allison, any any further thoughts from
your perspective?

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» Um, I guess my only other thing and I am
having trouble hearing even though

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someone already said this, forgive me.
There should be a designated person to

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the chair who is the only person who
sends from that email. Otherwise, it may

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wind up with different people sending
different stuff.

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» Sure. Yeah, good point. Yeah.
>> All right.

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So
then if I were to a motion here, just

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» I don't think we need a motion for this.
>> It's kind of status quo. Yeah.

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» Okay.
I mean if when we get back to working on

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the bylaws and the and the ways of
working and so forth they can be listed

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as a way of working.
So just for my own clarification, we're

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suggesting that it primarily be the the
in the responsibility of the chair, but

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we're fine with other members also
monitoring that.

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» Mhm.
>> Okay. All right.

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Uh
really quickly, um site monitoring

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updates. Um so I had some correspondence
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County Conservation District uh on
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the coal and more easements have been
monitor

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part of that the morning. Yeah.
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static greenway was started on Thursday
and she completed on Friday, August

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14th. Um and that she will try and
complete those reports as expeditiously

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as possible. Um I'm coming
uh and she uses

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farmer
will be end of August. Uh still think to

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be pinned down and then the daily ement
will occur sometime September. Um she'll

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keep us posted on that and with exact
dates and uh and then again

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recommendation for conservation
commission members to join her on any of

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those sitew

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encourage her that when the reports are
ready and we have reviewed them and

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approved them to then issue the um
invoices as they are done. Not to

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invoice us at the end of the year.

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» Had she been doing that for the most
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» I think last year she tended to wait to
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» and it just helps also with
[clears throat] the budget flow and

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understanding what the budget might need
to be because we're going to go into

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budget season again real soon.
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So to understand what the true cost in
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helpful for our planning purposes.
>> Yeah, I know. Uh she referred to

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one of the

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» many of these are because there's a lot
of boundaries and uh and you need to do

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a certain amount of work establishing
the boundaries and then checking the on

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the conditions both at the boundaries
and internally in some cases.

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» All right. Anything else on

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um we had a couple of uh projects that
were in the works. Um I know we had the

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alternate member uh which had uh some
degree of discussion in the past couple

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of meetings and I think actually to some
degree both the alternate member and the

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bylaws are intertwined because we
currently don't have any practice or

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policies that approve with regards to
alterate members. Um

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so
perhaps u addressing that I know it's a

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little bit premature unless anybody has
any uh comments or thoughts on that

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process. I know some things were brought
up about folders and uh and I did see

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there was a folder with letters of
intent. um there was some degree of

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discussion around u the the uh the notes
that were taken in the screen process

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I think there's certainly some learning
in there but again I feel as if that

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might be part of an overarching
discussion about bylaws and trying to

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finalize those
>> I would just like to comment though that

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we had agreed um to that a subcommittee
of us would take a look and interview

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candidates. We were fortunate to have
numerous candidates that that stepped

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forward uh some of who whom afterwards
um declined based on the time

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commitments and so forth once they
understood better what they might be

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asked to do. Um but we did have a a
willing candidate because uh even though

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we had had multiple discussions about
the candidates and their um capabilities

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um that uh uh Chris and Caleb had rec or
uh abstained from voting in support of

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them last time and although that uh was
still a positive vote um the person did

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not feel that they were getting the
support they needed. So I think has lost

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uh credibility and uh um good good faith
in the from from the community based on

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that your actions in that previous
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» Want to point out for that that just two
months before the first ever vote of the

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NCC for an alternate member or member
was done. Tom abstained from voting. It

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was six to nothing for Dan Williams.
That's a historic vote. It's never been

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done for NCC before, ever. And another
person did abstain from voting and he

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chose not to serve as well.
>> Well, Dan moved away.

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» Whatever it was, that was the first ever
vote of NCC on record.

436
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:35,200
» And Tom felt he knew the candidate.
>> They voted on me. Just saying.

437
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:39,040
» Allison saying they voted on her.
>> I'm I was an alternate member and they

438
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:44,079
voted on me a while ago but yes
>> anything in meeting minutes on

439
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:46,960
» on what
>> any other vote

440
00:41:45,359 --> 00:41:50,760
» on an alternate member
>> or member period

441
00:41:52,160 --> 00:42:00,640
» okay well we'll have to talk about this
when Allison is here can can explain

442
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:05,280
» as of the town records there there was
only one vote ever done and it's for Dan

443
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:10,800
Williams six to nothing vote and Tom
Rutenberg abstained from voting.

444
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:15,599
» Yeah. Because he felt he knew him too
much. So he wanted the

445
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:19,440
» There's no no reason on record. But I'm
just

446
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:25,440
I'm just recalling what he said at the
time. But uh but I think that

447
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:31,599
we, you know, in this particular case,
we had somebody who considered it um a a

448
00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:36,079
bad mark on him and a lack of support
and therefore has chosen not to

449
00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:40,160
participate. So just something for us to
consider when we've got we're trying to

450
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:45,359
establish a subcommittee
um record or way of acting so that we

451
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:51,200
don't have to all participate in all
activities and be more efficient. And so

452
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:56,720
I think we do need to say if there's a
subcommittee recommendation and we vote

453
00:42:53,440 --> 00:43:02,560
on that that we should say you had two
months to say I didn't have enough

454
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:05,440
information or I'm abstaining because of
you know whatever the reason is that you

455
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:09,119
feel you need to abstain.
>> I did say I abstained because there was

456
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:14,960
no notes. Um Tom said he had a few
postits. We didn't get any. No, there

457
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:19,760
were plenty of notes in the in the uh um
>> Oh, I just looked yesterday on it, but I

458
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:23,599
had a few notes. Um
>> well, there there were several emails at

459
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:28,119
least then. There were many emails.
>> I just saw a long

460
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,119
» that Tom had shared

461
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:34,760
» no Tom shared everybody's email when
they applied.

462
00:43:36,755 --> 00:43:45,040
» [clears throat]
>> I would say the reason why I'm saying

463
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:50,319
issues or items being
we were trying to develop both at the

464
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:57,200
same time without any established
practices. Um, so, uh, I feel like there

465
00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:04,720
was some confusion there. To the point
of the notes, I had gone into the drive

466
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:10,160
and only saw letters of intent. And then
I did see a file that I had gone back

467
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:17,440
and read that was dropped in there on
July 20th, uh, the day after after

468
00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:25,599
meeting somebody.
So, um, I think to me there's a

469
00:44:21,839 --> 00:44:30,960
formality. I know a few others, people
that serve on nonprofit boards that have

470
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:39,680
alternates and is a general a little bit
more of a defined process and maybe more

471
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:44,720
of a strict process in terms of asking
the the alternates, the candidates, you

472
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:49,359
know, the same question, recording all
of that so that other members of the

473
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:53,440
board have access to the same question.
And then each member treated, you know,

474
00:44:51,440 --> 00:45:01,119
in the same manner and treated fairly. I
know um I think Tom had told me uh that

475
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:06,800
there was actually a fairly u at least
in his conversations with candidates

476
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:12,000
fairly rigorous and I I guess not seeing
any of the outputs of that uh was was

477
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:16,480
challenging
not to to have those notes.

478
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:22,560
» But it did get discussed at our
meetings.

479
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:25,760
» Some of it did. I don't think degree
and and you're right. I mean, I think

480
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:32,160
that's the opportunity to ask more
questions for sure.

481
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:40,800
So, as far as as that and as it pertains
to to the bylaws,

482
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:46,160
I believe we were all in a pretty
comfortable state of where the finals

483
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:54,000
are are at. I think there's probably
some opportunity to shore some things up

484
00:45:49,920 --> 00:46:00,960
around the uh the alternate member
around uh specifically one one item that

485
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:06,000
I'd like to revisit before we finalize
the bylaws is term limits on the

486
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:14,319
commission. I think that uh that was an
item we talked about and uh it sort of

487
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:20,319
uh didn't get much traction but I think
it's a it's a something that on any

488
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:25,920
board or commission is a good practice.
Uh there's as we talk about ultimate

489
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:32,079
members and getting fresh blood on
commissions and new insights and new

490
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:35,599
thinking I think it's something that we
ought to examine. I know it's fairly

491
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:40,960
standard on a lot of boards and
commissions for members to serve two

492
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:45,520
successive terms and then they're
required to take a year off from the

493
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:50,000
board for commission. And I think that
that creates opportunity for engagement

494
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:57,760
with others in the community to join the
board uh versus uh some potentially

495
00:46:54,079 --> 00:47:05,440
stale thinking or um or just uh you know
inviting new ideas and new members to a

496
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:10,800
board. So for me that's one item I'd
like to go back and revisit but I

497
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:16,319
believe there are some other items that
other district members have indicated

498
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,319
they may want to

499
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:24,160
Well, I think we need specific
suggestions about what else needs to be

500
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:30,720
reexamined because my last recollection
was that we were ready to vote on them

501
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:36,319
pending just pending the final changes
we had discussed and agreed to and then

502
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:39,760
send them to the um select board that
needed to be approved for approval. So,

503
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:45,079
» so
>> I don't see why we need to revisit all

504
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,079
of these things.

505
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,200
and
>> you're expressing your opinion about

506
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:52,800
what you think a board should be. You're
not

507
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:58,560
you're not having a discussion about
what the board thinks the board

508
00:47:54,800 --> 00:48:03,520
» fair. I think it's worth going in and
maybe one last round of comments and

509
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:08,960
deliberate and then to your point Chris
I think the intention was to try and get

510
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:15,119
that finalized in December. seems like
it's coming faster than we like. I think

511
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:21,160
I'm happy to go in there and put my
comments in

512
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,160
discussing.

513
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:30,480
» But in interest of tonight's agenda, I
would say let's move on then because

514
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:36,960
we're not prepared to discuss that today
and we have other people.

515
00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:42,760
» All right. So, um I guess I'll just say
that are there any

516
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:55,559
aspect of that there is a consent link
you may know where that file is and what

517
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:55,559
it's lab but I'll send that to you

518
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,440
the next item on the agenda

519
00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:10,800
» I did just have one uh one question
about the alternate members within that

520
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:16,880
initial population of people. Do we have
anybody left in that?

521
00:49:13,839 --> 00:49:21,119
» There was um one person I believe but
I'm not sure of his current status.

522
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:26,000
» Okay. So we have one potential. So this
is a call for alternate members. Uh send

523
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:31,280
in your
>> Okay. Send in your applications. And we

524
00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:36,400
also have a an empty seat that is uh
permanent. Right.

525
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:42,440
So just wanted to clarify that
>> you have both a member and

526
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,440
» yes.

527
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:53,359
» Okay. Um with that okay um so the window
dresses program uh we participated in

528
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:58,720
this for the first time last year as a
town of Newfields um at the invitation

529
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:04,000
of the exit energy um commission and
they are offering to do this again for

530
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:10,559
all of SA16 which is what they did last
year. Um the windows are incredible. Um

531
00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:16,480
they have a whole program where uh any
homeowner in the town can request

532
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:22,240
measurements, find out a cost. Uh there
is support for the cost. So if you have

533
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:28,960
unusual sized windows, um they make some
amazing inserts that are solid wood with

534
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:35,119
plastic sheeting on two sides. Really
durable uh inserts that would help with

535
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:41,760
uh protecting homes from the cold coming
in through windows. Uh so we are going

536
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:47,680
to have a um town farmers and craft
market on Saturday, September 19th and

537
00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:52,720
window dressers will be one of the uh
participants in that craft market.

538
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:57,359
That's also our town um community day,
fall community day and uh so I would

539
00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:01,440
encourage people to find out more. I'm
going to try and work with the library

540
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:06,240
uh to also get some samples so people
can see. We did have some participants

541
00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:11,280
from Newfields last year. Extor was
super happy with um the amount of

542
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:15,599
participation that we did get. Um, and I
would just like to make it more public

543
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:19,520
and uh more people more aware because I
think people think of uh it's you know

544
00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:24,880
like plastic and and insert and it's
going to be kind of flimsy and so forth,

545
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:30,559
but no, it is custom fit to your windows
and the um the church in town uh got

546
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:34,000
some of them for their windows and I
don't know all of the people in town who

547
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:38,079
did but encourage you to come and see
some of the samples um and find out more

548
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:42,640
about it if you have any interest in
energy conservation.

549
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:47,280
So that's it and it it will be also
addressed in the um the town newsletter

550
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:51,079
when that comes out from the library uh
in early September.

551
00:51:51,440 --> 00:52:01,119
» Thank you.
>> All right. Uh the next item on the

552
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:08,559
agenda is family management plan.
I'll give a quick update from the last

553
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:14,400
meeting and where I think things stand.
There are as was mentioned earlier

554
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:22,880
during correspondence there are some
matters being uh discussed between

555
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:29,680
councils. So at the very least this is
an update on where things last meeting

556
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:36,720
um at the last meeting the discussion
was really around the uh determining

557
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:43,200
the whether or not proper assessment of
the soil the park area has been

558
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:50,319
performed and if there was a desire or
or a belief from the commission that

559
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:57,520
testing soil testing needed to be part
of that assessment it was it was uh

560
00:52:54,960 --> 00:53:04,000
the feeling of all the members of the
commission and soil testing prior.

561
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:09,200
So uh with that
>> it was of all of the active members of

562
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:12,319
the commission that day not all members
of the commission

563
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:17,119
» and I was not at that meeting
>> and was not there and Tom was asked to

564
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:27,960
refuse himself.
>> That's right. So with with the majority

565
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:27,960
of the fish drivers, Caleb, Gild, myself

566
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:42,400
should be assessed
as a result to look at a way of doing

567
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:46,160
that in a independent way.
Michael

568
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:52,880
RFP
as a result of the motion that was made

569
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:58,400
and again there's discussions between
legal council

570
00:53:55,040 --> 00:54:03,599
but the next action from that was to
reach out to various entities that

571
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:10,800
identified
county conservation district uh UNH

572
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:17,680
cooperative extension and NRCS
I taken that action and all I' spoken

573
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:25,000
with all of those entities all of whom
pointed to the New Hampshire Association

574
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:25,000
of Conservation Commission

575
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:40,400
and what happened
>> fair yeah I think that's oh okay so the

576
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:47,119
discussion
to pursue that with those.

577
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:50,960
» Are you going to write that up for the
rest of us?

578
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:54,119
» Yes. And I will put those resources on
the shared.

579
00:54:54,480 --> 00:55:02,079
Um
so

580
00:54:57,839 --> 00:55:07,040
with that there is uh
as

581
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:15,040
points out there is uh some discussion
amongst the uh household attorney about

582
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:24,079
several items there.
So that is where that action stands.

583
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:31,200
Um
and

584
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:35,720
no there are there are no no motions
with regards to this.

585
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,599
» Can I [clears throat]
can I comment in here?

586
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:46,240
» Sure.
>> This is Alison. I'm not sure if this is

587
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:50,720
the place or whe labor in this agenda,
but there have been two requests for

588
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:55,359
recusals for members related to matters
regarding burden family farm and there

589
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:59,280
has not been any response or discussion
of that. Um, you know, when this

590
00:55:57,839 --> 00:56:04,400
happened in the last meeting, there was
a lot of discussion about potential

591
00:56:02,319 --> 00:56:08,319
issues associated with the member. I do
think that the members who have been

592
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:14,319
asked to recuse themselves need to
discuss the issues that have been uh

593
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,760
raised and they need to determine
whether or not they feel that they need

594
00:56:16,319 --> 00:56:22,240
to recuse themselves. I think that that
needs to be on the table and disc

595
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:28,400
» well I actually don't believe there was
any discussion of that refusal. It was a

596
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:33,119
uh there was a
a point that I raised that I felt as if

597
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:38,200
it required
member

598
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,200
That was the discussion.

599
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:46,520
» I don't I don't know if you have that
right.

600
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,520
» Um,

601
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:54,880
changing topics a little bit, but
uh,

602
00:56:52,400 --> 00:57:00,720
so I just wanted to recap all the
discussion about my potential conflict

603
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:08,400
of interest
um, and how that went. So, I originally

604
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:13,599
joined the Concom four years ago to work
on the conservation of the rug property.

605
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:18,799
Thought it would be a good idea for the
town. And as a mountain biker, I know

606
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:24,480
how special that land is.
After more than a year on me being on

607
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:31,599
the Concom, Vernon Family Farm was on
the agenda. I raised my hand, called

608
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:37,359
time out, and said I wasn't sure that I
could be involved with any matter

609
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:43,680
involving Vernon Family Farm because the
candy store that my wife and I own sold

610
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:49,920
seasonal candy to Vernon Family Farm
farm at Easter time.

611
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:55,920
I sought guidance from town council and
it was deemed that the revenue was so

612
00:57:52,559 --> 00:58:01,040
small that it was inconsequential and
not grounds for recusal.

613
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:05,680
In addition, I'm not involved in a
day-to-day operations as I have a

614
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:11,440
full-time job as an engineer. I'm not uh
working at the candy store.

615
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:17,040
So to recap, I self-identified the
potential conflict, made sure it was in

616
00:58:14,799 --> 00:58:24,160
the public record in the meeting
minutes. I sought legal guidance.

617
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:30,160
I followed legal guidance. I made sure
the conclusion of the legal guidance was

618
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:37,040
captured in public meeting minutes. So
fast forward to October 2025.

619
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:42,400
So this uh potential conflict was again
brought up uh prior to the concom voting

620
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:47,040
on the parking uh parking on the
easement.

621
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:52,720
This was discussed publicly and it was
relayed that the business relationship

622
00:58:49,839 --> 00:58:58,240
had ended removing any potential
conflict of interest. I think that's

623
00:58:54,480 --> 00:59:05,359
what you're referring to, right? Uh, I
watched the video of the recent July

624
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:09,760
28th select board meeting where
commission member Channeris was at the

625
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:14,799
podium
and he was talking about this conflict

626
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:22,720
of interest and Chris at at one point
you were talking about me and said he

627
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:27,599
asked me not to bring it up.
In other words, you paint the picture of

628
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:32,480
me trying to sweep this under the rug.
This is a fabrication to demean my

629
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:37,119
character, and I'm not going to stand
for it.

630
00:59:34,319 --> 00:59:42,799
In fact, I have an email to you that
says, "Chris, I agree with you, and this

631
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:47,599
relationship will be disclosed at the
beginning of the meeting when I first

632
00:59:45,359 --> 00:59:54,160
self-identified this potential conflict
of interest back in 2023.

633
00:59:50,960 --> 01:00:00,799
The initial draft of the concom meetings
minute meeting meeting minutes made no

634
00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:05,920
mention of it, but I specifically asked
it to be added to the minutes for full

635
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:12,640
transparency. I'm totally good with
putting it all out there. Thanks, Josh.

636
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:18,960
So, Chris, the good thing about uh our
interactions is it's either on video or

637
01:00:16,319 --> 01:00:24,799
it's an email, right? So, I would like
you to provide me with evidence that I

638
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:29,760
asked you not to bring it up. Okay.
>> If I had say that, then that was not

639
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:36,400
accurate. However, it was an email
exchange over a long period before you

640
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:44,160
came forward with the information and at
the meeting

641
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:47,760
disclosed. Uh, I hear your disposal.
>> Mhm.

642
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:55,400
» And I would say have to go back
There were quite a few back and forth we

643
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:55,400
got to do.

644
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:05,119
» So what would you do if I went to a
public meeting and said something wasn't

645
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:10,160
true about you? You should you should
call on

646
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:15,359
I said that and it wasn't completely
accurate then absolutely

647
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:19,920
» you did say it because I heard it also
>> and I I went camping for nine days with

648
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:23,119
my family. I came back and all that
relaxation just like

649
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:28,079
» shrunk.
>> That was the worst.

650
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:33,520
I will say that uh and again I'd have to
go back and look at there was quite a

651
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:36,720
few
that

652
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:44,640
» Sure.
>> Um but uh I don't that was when it was

653
01:01:41,839 --> 01:01:48,480
made public and I believe that's what
Alison [clears throat]

654
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:54,319
» All right. So that's a good segue into
refusals. So let's talk about your

655
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:59,280
potential and your potential.
Brian Johnson put it perfectly. I would

656
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:05,440
stand behind those posts. All my posts
had legal opposition. Oh, Brian said it

657
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:10,280
was legal opposition years ago.
Actually, when you had business dealings

658
01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:10,280
with them

659
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:21,680
just like you, it makes no bias on my
part. It was legal oppos opposition. And

660
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:25,680
if you read through them, it's all legal
and fact based. I even keep saying,

661
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:29,440
"Take a motion out of this. Let's look
at this professional."

662
01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:38,079
» Yeah. I think the core of your recusal
is the part where you say, "Um,

663
01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:43,040
I I get irritated when I hear Vernon
Family Farm in my treeand, on my deck,

664
01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:48,160
in my pool." Like,
>> yeah. For two hours straight, we got to

665
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:53,119
hear masturbation. And I have three
young kids. to listen to a lecture on

666
01:02:51,839 --> 01:02:57,520
masturbation.
>> Mhm.

667
01:02:53,839 --> 01:02:59,839
» Loud and clear over a megaphone.
>> I have a problem with that. I have three

668
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:01,119
young kids.
>> Yeah.

669
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:02,319
» Yep.
>> I agree.

670
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,599
» That has nothing to do with
conservation.

671
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:07,119
» No.
>> Maybe you're okay with your family on a

672
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:10,559
camping trip listening to it.
>> I am not.

673
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:19,200
» Okay. And then we also had to hear an
hour of um what was the wording? Um

674
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:25,839
vandalizing their homes, but do it after
this um comedy session.

675
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:33,599
» So yeah, my stuff was all on legal obser
uh uh opposition and yeah, as a morally

676
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:38,079
uh as a father of three kids. Yeah. I
don't want my kids listening to that. So

677
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:40,799
yeah, and it's recording. You actually
have a copy of the recording in your

678
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,920
Hong Kong Yep.
>> thing, too. It's it's disturbing.

679
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:47,119
» Yeah.
>> There's no way you can't side with me on

680
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:49,520
that. There's no way. As a Are you a
father, too? And you want your kids to

681
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,680
listen to that?
>> I would not.

682
01:03:50,319 --> 01:03:57,119
» So we're on the same page,
>> but there are noises. And on my

683
01:03:56,319 --> 01:04:00,079
understanding of the
>> there are there's one thing to have

684
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:05,119
noises. It's another thing to listen
about two hours of masturbation.

685
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:09,119
» Yeah. But I I think that the the
timeline of that doesn't really line up

686
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:15,680
because I think your post was two years
ago. I think the that uh adult comedy

687
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:19,839
hour was was last year. So that that was
before that.

688
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:24,799
Can I can I chime in too?
>> Sure, Alison.

689
01:04:21,359 --> 01:04:28,640
» While we're at it, so I mean, would you
say, Caleb, that you would prefer that

690
01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:34,480
they were not holding those events,
those particular obnoxious events?

691
01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:36,799
» Which events?
>> Ones that you found obnoxious and

692
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:42,000
problematic.
>> Do I want the kids listening to that?

693
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:46,000
» No, she asked if you want them to hold
the events.

694
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:52,319
We're here for conservation, not for
farm events.

695
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:57,599
» Okay. So the the recusal criteria is
having a direct personal or pecunary

696
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:02,400
interest in the outcome. I would say
that you have a direct personal interest

697
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:06,799
in the outcome of whether or not the
Vernons are allowed to part in that

698
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:10,799
field and hold those events.
>> Austin have one with his financial

699
01:05:08,799 --> 01:05:15,559
interest.
>> Nope.

700
01:05:12,319 --> 01:05:15,559
It was

701
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:22,880
» just as easy. I can say nope.
>> Sorry, Alison. You said something. It

702
01:05:21,359 --> 01:05:27,599
got lost in the noise from the crowd.
>> I I said that Josh talked to the town

703
01:05:25,359 --> 01:05:32,640
attorney. He ran his his conflict
through town council. I would suggest

704
01:05:29,359 --> 01:05:37,920
that Caleb did the same.
>> Sure.

705
01:05:34,319 --> 01:05:42,240
Just like Johnson who brought it up, all
all my statements were legal opposition.

706
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:49,039
Perfect.
>> Your your interpretation of legal

707
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:54,839
opposition. You are not a lawyer.
>> His words were legal opposition, not

708
01:05:51,839 --> 01:05:54,839
opinions.

709
01:05:55,119 --> 01:06:00,599
» I'm just assuming what Brian Johnson
stood up here and said,

710
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:09,039
» I believe he quoted your Facebook post.
I didn't copy that one, but that that

711
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:13,480
you were saying that they were not
following the law. opposition.

712
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:39,039
» So, so could I just clarify then, Caleb?
Do you not feel that you have a reason

713
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:41,839
to recuse? Just just sort of clarify
that for me.

714
01:06:51,200 --> 01:07:00,640
It's an interesting kind of words
because um I think that uh it's hard to

715
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:08,160
start uh slinging blood and I think
there are lots of things that could come

716
01:07:03,359 --> 01:07:10,880
out that uh that are trou
and

717
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:19,880
that it's hard to be in a small town and
not have some connection.

718
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:28,559
We want to swing mud. If I look at
public commentary, Miss McDade, I'm

719
01:07:25,839 --> 01:07:33,520
sorry, you're on all of it, too. And a
financial donor for the Burnham as well.

720
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:37,520
» How am I a financial donor?
>> Harmonies.

721
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:42,319
» I did not.
I've purchased items at their stores.

722
01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:46,559
» You're listed as
you're a direct contributor and

723
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:50,480
» that was that was before I lived here
>> as soon as last week.

724
01:07:48,799 --> 01:07:55,280
» Last [clears throat] week.
>> What did I comment on?

725
01:07:51,920 --> 01:08:00,680
» You're on their social media posts. So I
like Chris said, we can sling mud all

726
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,680
over the place right now.

727
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:09,760
» But I never say anything derogatory or
make a judgement. though you approve or

728
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:13,200
like it and donate financially.
>> I do not recall [clears throat] donating

729
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:18,000
financially.
If I did, then I'd have to go back and

730
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:20,239
look at that. I do buy products from
their stores.

731
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:23,839
» You didn't hide your name on the
GoFundMe.

732
01:08:21,679 --> 01:08:26,400
» Well, I don't believe in hiding my name
no matter what.

733
01:08:24,719 --> 01:08:32,239
» That's fine. I'm just bringing it up.
Sling mud all over the place.

734
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:36,880
» And that was, I believe, before I was on
the commission. My statements were years

735
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:40,120
and years before I was on the commission
as well.

736
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:47,239
» Three years.
>> Three years.

737
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:47,239
» Okay.

738
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:57,799
» Even if it was six months or
it was three years ago.

739
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:08,719
» To get back to the sub issues. Um, and
and I know that legal councils need to

740
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:16,400
confer, but
there there are lots of things that

741
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:23,920
raise concerns and questions uh in in
the record. And uh for me, I I'll I'll

742
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:29,279
point out that and since we're talking
about record, I had to go back to the

743
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:35,600
November 17th meeting to find all the
quotes by everyone on this commission

744
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:41,679
for soil testing. Yeah.
Everyone was fine soil testing and uh

745
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:47,199
» that that's not that's not true. What we
said was that we needed to consider the

746
01:09:44,719 --> 01:09:53,759
plan that they had suggested and then in
a subsequent meeting we decided based we

747
01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:58,719
asked for input. You got both of you had
provided some level of input but not

748
01:09:56,159 --> 01:10:04,880
before the meeting. So we asked for more
information and I think even without Tom

749
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:11,280
recusing himself, we had problems
because the Vernons could not be at the

750
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:14,960
last meeting. So we shouldn't have had
that on the agenda without their ability

751
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:18,960
to be there.
>> Well,

752
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:24,239
» but I think it just needed input. It
needed input.

753
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:29,679
» We we received their suggested
monitoring plan, right? We did not

754
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:34,960
accept it as is. We we said that we
would review it and discuss it

755
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:40,560
» which we had subsequently done but then
the June meeting we weren't allowed to

756
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:46,560
do anything because of the incorrect um
uh public publicity about the meeting

757
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:50,560
content and therefore we were continuing
that discussion. Just because they

758
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:55,920
presented a plan doesn't mean that we
can't as a board go back and say we

759
01:10:53,760 --> 01:11:02,719
would like some additional elements in
this plan. And that's all we needed to

760
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:07,320
do as a commission is to say we request
this additional element even though

761
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:19,400
» there there's not going to be any
action.

762
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:26,719
» What was and when the commission

763
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,040
Thank you.

764
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:39,040
short of record. My name is Amyelli from
BCM law council for Vernon family farm

765
01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:44,080
and I'm making a point of order to ask
that the commission not get into details

766
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:50,000
relating to anything about the
management farm and burn family farm for

767
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:56,560
the reasons that you're raising that
burn family farm wasn't present at the

768
01:11:52,400 --> 01:12:00,960
last meeting and we're not we're asking
to not get into the substance of the

769
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:04,800
plan
because of what happened at the last

770
01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:12,560
meeting. So I just don't want to get
into well in November this and in May

771
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:17,600
that in July this. I think it's best if
we just leave the substance management

772
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:21,520
plan. Uh what's the discussion? I
respect the deliberation that the board

773
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:26,080
is having right now about the board's
composition,

774
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:32,960
board process, board recusal decisions
that may happen, but if we can do it

775
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:37,199
without into um soil testing. Yes. Soil
testing no. That's what I'm asking.

776
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:43,120
Thank you.
>> And I appreciate that. My point is that

777
01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:49,120
we we as a board still have
responsibility and the accountability to

778
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:53,320
to decide what the final action is.
That's not going to be decided tonight.

779
01:12:54,480 --> 01:13:01,760
» Okay. So, we heard from Caleb about his
reaction and what what is the reaction

780
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:06,880
from your side? And I guess you can you
can keep it brief because I think we

781
01:13:04,719 --> 01:13:11,719
have decided that this should go to town
council and there

782
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:24,120
I don't want to get it wrong.

783
01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:31,480
I think I'm actually
on this

784
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:46,600
probably fair to say
>> I believe that the point of

785
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:46,600
» I would like to know who they are.

786
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:54,239
I believe believe the point that was
made in some of the letters had more to

787
01:13:50,719 --> 01:13:59,360
do with your engagement with um Mr.
Harmon outside of the knowledge of this

788
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:03,800
board.
>> So to that point I would

789
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:14,560
select board chair
I would say

790
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:19,239
attorney
much That's a part of

791
01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:36,480
» the question was Mr. Chandler's
emailing Harmon.

792
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:40,560
» No, Mr. Harmon
emailing

793
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:45,920
» Mr. Chandelaris and Mr. Shan Malaris
driving a meeting in a certain way based

794
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:49,199
on that without any of the rest of us
knowing.

795
01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:55,120
» Yeah,
I guess I'm not sure how it's

796
01:14:52,400 --> 01:15:00,480
» and it was addressing an email that
wasn't shared with the rest of the board

797
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:05,360
from Tom,
>> right?

798
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:09,840
and then forcing an action
and a discussion that went beyond what

799
01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:15,560
was actually on the agenda for that
evening.

800
01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:15,560
» He did.

801
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:24,480
» I'd just like to point out from Amy
Manzelli's email earlier today that

802
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:30,239
Allison Watts and Tom Renberg and her
writing have had

803
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:34,880
from what she writes extensive emails
and the rest of this knows nothing about

804
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:39,679
them.
June 12th,

805
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:45,120
2026. And she goes into detail, even
quoting stuff about Tom

806
01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:52,880
having a plan to build on events and
very likely to be affirmative vote.

807
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:57,679
He's he's emailing opposing council
without Mark Casper put too during the

808
01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:02,320
subboard meeting. He should be involved
in this.

809
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:08,320
» But that's that was the point.
>> This is material that is the request to

810
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:14,880
not be discussing this tonight.
>> So let's pump the brakes on that. Oh,

811
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:20,719
I'm just relating it to this because
there there's a lot of emails that are

812
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:23,440
not in our com that are hidden on some
other kind of email.

813
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:27,840
» No, they're on the conservation
commission. The general email. Yes,

814
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:32,400
» they all are there.
>> They all are there.

815
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:40,880
» No, they're all there.
Let's um this is all in discussion and

816
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:48,040
so I think it would be unproductive
but there we started at the onset there

817
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:48,040
there is discussion.

818
01:16:50,159 --> 01:17:04,400
So at this point, other than the brief
update on where things stand with the

819
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:12,239
plan, um we'll uh the results of this.
Um

820
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:17,920
as far as the remaining items on the
next uh last item is the open share

821
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:23,000
position.
So that

822
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:23,000
discussions

823
01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:38,199
I would accept it if everyone wants me
to do it.

824
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:46,719
» Can I Sorry. Can I hear the motion? I
didn't hear it.

825
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:54,920
The motion was for Chris Mc to take the
chair position and was seconded by

826
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:54,920
» Lauren was the originator.

827
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:07,960
» Thank you. Yeah, personally I think that
would be a good choice.

828
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:07,960
» All right, all in favor

829
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:15,120
» we'll have to about
>> the treasur.

830
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:20,719
» So,
>> and I think you can do dual roles, I

831
01:18:17,199 --> 01:18:24,400
assume, because there's I mean, if you
want to

832
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:27,600
» I'm I'm happy to treasure for now. It's
not been very hard.

833
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:33,040
» The reason I say it is there's chair,
vice chair, secretary, treasurer. That's

834
01:18:30,719 --> 01:18:37,520
four positions. We can be a board of
three.

835
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:42,320
So there must be an a situation where
you would have dual rows.

836
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:48,560
» That's up to others on the board if you
want to maintain some level of distance

837
01:18:44,239 --> 01:18:55,049
between the treasurer and the chair.
>> I don't think you have uh sole control

838
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:59,280
of our finances. More like a reporting,
[laughter]

839
01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:04,159
» right? Everything goes through to the
town clerk essentially

840
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:11,360
» uh to ensure any expenses are handled
properly per our uh fiduciary

841
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:15,120
requirements in the town.
>> I don't even I I have even have to get

842
01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:21,320
the report from Sue. It doesn't come
directly to me. The the report each

843
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:21,320
month has to come from Sue.

844
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:32,960
don't know since I already have the
chair

845
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:36,400
» and I mean the the treasurer position. I
think it's just a matter of everyone

846
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:41,120
being comfortable with that and the
recognition that

847
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:46,960
» should that change for any reason then
we can always vote on it again.

848
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:53,520
» I think that's fair. you feel like
serving both roles um and I don't know

849
01:19:49,920 --> 01:20:00,480
there's nothing in the uh that I know of
the existing bylaws that take a look but

850
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:07,120
at least during the transition you're
willing to serve and just double check

851
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:12,800
it you can figure out what your time and
effort sort of threshold is for for that

852
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:18,640
you need somebody to step
>> well we do have the open board position

853
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:25,440
which when I joined was advertised as
the treasurer's position. So that could

854
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:34,280
we could either advertise the open board
position as open board or as pressure

855
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:34,280
depending on what to do.

856
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:42,480
So that would be a decision we might
want to wait make if we want to just

857
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:46,080
advertise an open position on the
conservation commission.

858
01:20:46,159 --> 01:20:53,280
I mean, one of the things I would like
to be able to do in this commission is

859
01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:58,000
more of the activities related to
getting our records up to date,

860
01:20:55,280 --> 01:21:02,640
information out to our community, making
sure that we are making the best use of

861
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:06,920
our resources and not spending all our
time on procedural matters.

862
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:14,239
» We have discussed it before and it came
up in the select board meeting too. We

863
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:20,000
need like a procedural handbook. I think
we do. It was I forget her name. Brought

864
01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:25,679
it up and Tom and I have been talking
about it for a while. It is important to

865
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:29,080
me to get that done on the side to get
that approved.

866
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:45,679
» So the motion has passed for
you as chair and I think

867
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:48,679
revisit but for now you're willing to
continue

868
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:54,920
» any anything else

869
01:21:55,760 --> 01:22:02,440
all right then we will adjourn the
meeting at 8:37

870
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:13,080
» thanks
>> have a good rest of your trip.

871
01:22:13,679 --> 01:22:16,846
» Okay. [laughter]