Calling the meeting of June 12th, New Hampshire, New, New Markets Conservation Commission meeting
to order. Let's start with the Pledge of Allegiance.
Thank you. And I did hear from Jess Kahn as
well as Zach Angelini.
Brian Morris. Here. Julie Tyson. You still say Tyson? Yeah, here.
Chris Blackstone. I'm here.
Jeff's here. And Emma, our student rep. Here. She's here.
All right, and I do want to point out that Bridget, who has been taking notes for us from the Planner Office, is not here tonight.
I'm home, and I want to put it out there that Bart has said he's going to put an ad together to look for.
So let's let somebody to do the job of note-taking.
So if anybody here or anybody who sees this tape later, imagine somebody might like that.
It is a paid position, and I also wanted to point out that the minutes don't have to be taken and printed in the way that they have been.
that it can revert to a narrative style, a bullet style,
or any other style, if people are concerned
about the format that looks formal or foreboding
to take notes in as they are now.
So we're rooting for Bart's ad to net somebody.
In the meantime, Bridget will be doing it occasionally
from home or from this office,
but it's to be determined between Bridget and Bart
where she is and when she's doing it.
Do we have any public comments?
approval.
I found three things. Did anybody else find anything? Or should I list the three I got?
Okay, they are probably grammatically typo in nature. On the item that talks about the UNH
capstone, line two. There's too many that's locations outside of that that were identified.
so locations outside of that which were identified.
Then there's another one under events outreach and education, line 9.
There was some other junk items that were found on the conservation land.
There were some other items, or there were some other junk items,
but the was needs to be a were.
And at the very bottom, another one is technical or a small ish,
but mill space should be capitalized.
Those are the three corrections I found.
Anybody else?
I don't need to mention or talk about it or whatever it is.
Don't you accept as amended?
Is there a second?
Do they accept as amended?
I'll second.
Thank you, Julie.
All in favor.
Hi.
Okay.
Thank you.
Okay.
That's past these minutes are good with those corrections.
Okay, correspondence for the commission's consideration tonight.
We have two things that came in as correspondence and both of them actually, because we have a quorum now,
we could do some take action on these.
This is from a Susan, I'm sorry, Susan if you're listening, Jeanette or Guionet, G-I-O-N-E-T.
I'm not sure how she pronounces it. I'm sorry. Good morning, Chris. I hope you're doing well
I came across this beautiful lady laying more eggs on Lady Slipper Drive and she includes for the record
nice turtle picture
One of the residents there said she's been doing this for over 20 years. This is very cool
Unfortunately, many of her babies don't make it across because the cars would squish them
Is it possible to put the turtle crossing lines and a turtle crossing sign there?
I will see you at the next book club meeting, Susan.
So she is part of the library club talk that we have.
So I'm wondering, I think putting the lines there is a bit more extensive than what we can do or offer.
I'm not sure that's the right tactic to move forward with her suggestion.
But I would like us to further the discussion or take action, suggest action, on putting a turtle crossing sign, the ones that have the hinges that flip up there.
Since getting this, it seems like I've seen three more that I wasn't aware of before. Namely, close to the Alice Drive, there's one, there's a few in town.
So maybe, Jeff, do you remember anything historically about who bought them?
I'm assuming they're always installed by DPW.
So DPW installs and takes them down every year.
Takes them down or flips them up and down?
From our experience, they take them down and don't do the flip.
Oh, okay.
I know a couple of had hinges installed by the canister after.
I think someone cut them down and put some piano hinges on them.
New Hampshire Fish and Game gave us some of them and we purchased some.
We Conservation Commission purchased some.
Yes, the Conservation Commission purchased some.
Ellen had reached out to myself and Drew and I know that if I have some ancient emails.
Well, this is the sign here.
They cost about $28 a piece and I didn't want to say there's one on Grant on my side
that is not hinged and I don't remember it being up there so they do take them
up and down. Yeah, they do, they do actually, that's why it's like called DPW, and there's
a, there's one on Ash Swamp up by the golf course. That's like the one with the people
say the cute turtles, you know, like there's like a baby turtle. And so like people love
that one, but so everyone's surprised they didn't get stolen, but so they, that's,
you know, called Rick in April and saying, can you put the signs up? But lately I
think they've been doing it without prompt. Yeah, he said they put them up in May
take them down in November. That's appropriate. We decide the hinged ones
were kind of funky because when they fold down they're super bright so people
see that glaring triangle at night. Yeah. Kind of funky outside of the road. And it cuts the
turtle in half. Yeah it does. It puts the line through the turtle. Exactly. And you
can't put the hinge on the backside because the purse is there. So the hinge has to be on the front side. Quickly, this letter, where was she said that? Where was this?
Lady's Slipper Drive, yes, yeah, which is the big wetland. I mean it goes down. I assume it's where it severs for the big
Wetland.
It's probably not a bad spot. So you need two per site. Right, they're coming in the going.
It should be a really low speed area already. I know. Not saying that makes people miss the
because I'm just saying like the,
I don't know that striping would be.
Yeah, I don't think we're doing striping anywhere else
besides the swath at this point.
What I understand of it is the whole theory behind it
is as long as it's like rare that have the striping,
people will slow down, but it's like everywhere people like.
You get immune to the striping.
Yeah, yeah, that, so yeah, I don't think we're,
I think a sign would probably be fine,
but I don't think we're gonna do more striping, so.
I also feel that if we go ahead and say yes
and do whatever we do have whatever discussion leads to a culminating event
here we have the capacity to do something we don't have the capacity to
say oh yes and we want me and striping but we could take action I believe and
get some signs up and running pretty easily and pretty quickly since we're
burning into the season of the Turtles crossing the road anyway but um do
you think he didn't solve them for us yeah he's I think he would I just
I just don't know if we have to buy the posts as well.
We do.
Did you guys buy the posts?
They have a lot of posts.
I can't remember.
They have a lot of posts where they have the right size.
I think they would install it for us.
So we bought the signs.
Yeah, they installed them last time for us.
I just don't want to speak for the second.
I think they would.
So what I'm hearing is interface with REC as DPW to find out if they have posts
And then who actually goes and buys the actual sign?
What are we actually asking for?
Or do we have money to say, we, as we've done in the past, there's a president there,
the conservation commission, bought the signs?
Yeah, I think we buy the signs.
I think we buy the signs and they install them.
Yeah, we definitely bought them last time as I remember bringing them over to DPW.
Oh, that's nice.
Handing them direct.
Nice.
So, you know, something.
Nice.
They're probably shipping, so.
Are those the bigger ones?
I think those are 18 inches. Is that how big they are? 18 inches?
I think the one over by the golf course might be 18 inches.
But I think the other ones might be bigger than that.
I mean 18 inches is only that big.
I guess it depends on what you're driving and how far...
On that little road, that's such a slow little... I think the small ones would be adequate.
It's not like people are going 40 like they are on a swamp road.
And the question is, do you need one or two, because it's a dead end, right?
It's not through road, what we're talking about. People are living there, are they going down?
Seeing it and coming back to me.
Do they need to sign both ways, yeah.
I would think that's a good policy to keep in place without having to do traffic pattern studies and whatnot.
It reminds people.
It's short money.
You might try putting up a sign that says baby turtle crossing, that would probably slow you down.
You think people like the baby turtle one better?
I mean, people have commented on the baby one the name.
Maybe they'll see it, like, people do like baby one.
They'll be like, oh, that's so cute.
What was that noise?
They're going to swerve and hit a turtle, they're probably going to swerve and hit
no matter what age.
Okay, true confession.
I see something in the road.
Oh, my god, a turtle.
I got to say one.
Now, here's my second one.
I'm kind of amped. I'm pretty excited. I'm acting real cool flashers pull over to get it. I walk up and as I approach it
it is a
Leather garden glove. You know how they get kind of stiff and sweaty and there's this garden glove and it's got yeah
It's got a neck sticking out
Gotcha, uh-huh. So yeah, I break for garden gloves
Definitely not some people moving turtles, young guy, and traffic disaster, and people
waving and yelling to each other, I got it, I got it.
It's paying, it's paying.
So should we, given that they're shipping and handling whatever, is it prudent to say,
okay, we're going to address Lady Slipper and then get another set in the bank in
case we have another, something comes to mind and we're going to hold one up?
Because my suspicion is a happy one.
I believe that somebody from Ladies Livers is going to stay.
We just got our turtle crossing sign and that's going to be somebody else says my neighborhood needs one too.
So having in one and on the bench as we say I think could be handy and short-lining.
Do you know how many sets you put up? I can't remember how many there are out there.
Four.
I just want Grant Road.
Bay Road.
Are you calling Grant Road the corner by Alice?
Yes.
Seven signs up and count to the third, unashamed by the golf course.
Is there just one there on one way?
There's just one.
Can we get one?
Going the other way?
There's not one going the other way.
So we might need one more for that?
That one is weird though, because it's...
The reason we asked to have that one put up is because there wasn't landings that was hit.
It was way up there by the golf course.
And we actually found a, what do you call it, box throw up there.
And I've helped to paint it out there too, so they got it.
Yes, I had painted there too.
And then they're almost present all along through there.
Because there's wetlands here and there on the either side of the road.
It's actually an enormous black tuba over there.
Near the long dirt road and the south side of the road.
Yes, he's visited my house before.
What's that?
He's visited my house before.
Oh, the turtle?
Yes.
I live right there, so there are always my backyards.
I have a huge hill in the background.
It's all wetlands right behind me.
Oh, give us a picture, Emma.
Give us a picture, identify anything about your house,
but just collecting some turtle picks could be fun.
You're probably going to believe it.
Brought to you by our student representative.
Look at your PR for your high school,
for you representing us.
Yeah, so I don't know, because it's almost like that.
The one by the end of the golf course
is like a precursor to the next set.
Yeah, yeah, sure.
But it is about six-tenths of a mile in a year,
a little less.
It's about a half mile, maybe, from the one
top hill before you go down.
Well, what do we think?
I thought there was two more in Ashwamp.
Are there some down past the town?
There might be.
I think there are two at that crossing.
So what if we get by four more?
Say we have a couple extra.
I would say five, so you can put one where you know you only
have one going one direction.
Well, I think you're saying we probably
don't need another one, because there's.
I mean, I don't know.
I mean, you could.
It's between that sign and the one that faces east
by the golf course, and the next one
that would have warned someone that's Hedities, one that faces west. That's probably three-quarters
of them though, but it's like just past like. Well, maybe it would get them to slow down
in place. Yeah, it would have hurt. So five. And we're not sure the size though, but $200
should be sufficient, right? The five signs? Well, 30, 60. 25 each. Yeah, just in case
are shipping and then if they're going to be your one you honestly say up to
because that way yeah come back but I can order them once I know it's good to
put them up so I do we want to approve money for posts just in case or do we
assume the townhouse posts and hardware they don't need posts yeah those
those posts are hard to find they're expensive those yeah those ones they're
hard to find the ones they use and I think they want to use the ones they
like to put up.
Well, we can still order the signs, and if we have to come back next month and order the
post, there you go.
Yeah, exactly.
And if DBW says we installed them, there are 25 bucks each, give us.
Yeah.
I don't know if they can do that.
There you go.
So do we have a motion since it's spending money to approve 200, well, a motion to
buy turtle signs?
I'll make a motion to buy turtle signs up to $200.
Second?
Second.
Okay.
Motion by Julie.
second by Ellen. Any other discussion about the turtle signs ordering five of our
two hundred dollars. Okay all in favor. Aye. That's unanimous. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you Susan. I will give an email to Susan. Do we still have a line item for
supplies in the town budget? We do. We've used it but we're also we're going
out. I think we've missed the deadline to submit any expenditures. Yeah, they're
here close to the 30th. But we could take them out next year, specifically.
We often had line items that we didn't expand. Yeah, we didn't expand a lot of
us part-time salary. We've already been shifting. We've been taken from
different plots. So we could take them from next year.
Well, we wouldn't
get reimbursed, I wouldn't get reimbursed till July, so we'd come out of the next year's budget so we could take it from the supply line out of the next year's budget.
Yeah.
It's just a thought.
A case of different, a set of different under the conservation fund that we didn't have to.
Yeah.
You may have to to buy some supplies if you want to.
Can we use turtle fest money?
Absolutely.
I mean that's in our conservation fund, so.
Okay.
But that's a good, you know, to get back to our sponsors and say, hey, we bought four more turtle signs.
Sure.
All right.
Five turtle signs.
All right.
Second correspondence that I believe we can also have some discussion and perhaps take
some action tonight comes from Lizzie Francescini.
I'll read it as I received it for the record.
Good morning, Chris.
I'm reaching out to the New Market Conservation Commission to see if the commission would
provide a $275 scholarship for one new market child to attend Camp Atlas at SELT.
This year at Camp Atlas we are providing more scholarships than before.
14 of our 40 campers will be here on scholarship including three full scholarships.
We're thrilled to provide this opportunity but we're also thinking creatively about how to fill the budget gap
creating by such a large scholarship need.
Camp Atlas is unique in that it offers high quality outdoor adventure programming
at price points that are accessible to all members of our community.
We offer tiered pricing with a week of camp costing anywhere from $0 to $350 depending on family income.
Camp Atlas gives the magic of camp to children who otherwise would not be able to afford it.
We introduce these children to new outdoor adventure experiences with the end goal of helping them fall in love with the outdoors
so they grow up to be the next generation of conservationists.
Last summer, 88% of our campers got to try a new outdoor activity including kayaking,
picnic-ing at Newmarket's own sliding rock conservation area.
We have several children from Newmarket attending camp, including one who will need a $275 scholarship.
With a non-profit sponsorship to provide this needed scholarship,
Newmarket Conservation Commission logo could appear on our camp shirt and on our camp website.
Additionally, the Newmarket Conservation Commission will be included in camp atlas, media, and posts and articles.
I'd be happy to connect with you or other members of the commission to answer any questions
you might have about providing such a scholarship.
Thank you so much for considering.
She signs it warmly.
Lizzie.
So I let her know I would read this into the record and that we would talk about it
tonight.
I thought her description was thorough enough that we didn't need more description from
her.
She's got that number of kids involved, the amount of money involved, the fact
that it's sliding scale, but with $275 a new market child would be able to
attend this camp and get these experiences offered through CELT. I would
also point out that Lizzie is a certified, has been a certified teacher
working with various grade levels and she currently serves in CELT as the
outdoor education specialist. So she's quite used to leading Friday walks with
with caregivers and little kids and she does programming for older age
children and students and whatnot. So I think we'd be in good hands offering
$275 for a camp scholarship. Discussion, questions.
And if you're wondering, the only reason this is,
this is what I read and these are the two printouts that did not work, but I just kept them all
together just because I did. Yeah, I mean their camp is highly respected and they're a good
partner of ours, so it seems like a good worthy cause. I know we've moved away from
scholarships before, but this seems sort of in line with our mission.
Yeah, this reels the scholarship money right back to what some of our goals
are as a conservation group. I was also thought it was quite
gracious that they said that they could include the word new market conservation on their
broadcast media, social media, and on the t-shirt. So,
any other discussion, do I have a motion or any other ideas about offering
the $275 to sell for
at Camp Atlas. I'll make a motion to approve that funding from the Conservation Fund, $275
for the camp. Thank you, Ellen. In any second for Ellen's motion.
I'll second it. Okay.
Thank you, Julie. Julie seconds the motion. Any further discussion about $275 to Camp
Atlas scholarship?
All in favor. All right. That's unanimous and I will send Lizzie
an email letting her know that we voted on it and could do it, voted on it tonight
and she can count on that.
Ellen's treasurer can do the interface
to figure out how to actually get them said money.
Thank you, Ellen.
Okay, the next thing here, how about calling on Ellen
for your treasurer's report?
Mm-hmm.
Okay, so the conservation fund has $134,401.92.
Christiana's fund still has $4,621.11,
So the total is $139,023.03.
Okay, so in May we got interest as usual.
No additional current use.
We, let's see.
We sold t-shirts in April, but we sold in May.
Turtle Fest t-shirts were $2,319.
dollars. And we got the grant payment from the Great Bay Resource, the Great Bay Resource
particular, I can't remember what it's called. Gosh, my head is... Anyway, the grant for
the Boardwalk, part of the Wigan Farm Boardwalk, they paid for, gave us $3,520. So we got
that.
Let's see, what else? Then we go on to, we have some, so just to remind,
We still have some approved things, you know, we have 137,000 but we have 13,000 that is allocated to the Mitchell project
Which is probably going to close early fall
We did commit 5,000 of seed money to the Ashwam brode project
I think we still have the outstanding John Herman bill. We haven't paid for his t-shirt design
And he's aware that the year closes June 30
that needs to be fee and cariler fast-tracking that.
And then we approved $15,480 for the Rosa project.
So those are things that we've approved to be spent.
And then we have some new requests.
We've already talked about two
and we'll talk about the others, I think, not yet,
or yeah, a little bit later in the agenda.
I have yours all kind of bundled together.
Okay.
We're talking about L-ship,
I mean, Land and Water Conservation.
We can do the...
Well, what makes sense?
I've got you for land and water conservation.
What's in the Turtle Fest report?
Okay, the Turtle Fest report.
So I had sent out a memo, but the T-shirt sales, total T-shirt sales were $2,859 for
Turtle Fest, and the local business sponsors was $1,750, so we raised $4,609 from Turtle
and our expenses totaled $1,766.96.
So our net income was $2,842.04.
And in the memo, in the Stone Church raised $1,342 for New Hampshire total rescue.
So that's pretty cool.
And we were going to make a donation to New Hampshire total rescue
because they did two programs, essentially two programs.
one at the library, one at TurtleFest itself.
And so I thought, I know there was a call of $2,000
for New Hampshire Turtle Rescue.
So if we gave $658 from our net income
to New Hampshire Turtle Rescue,
I thought that would be a nice donation to them.
Do we want to do that first
or go through the rest of the TurtleFest stuff?
Do all the three suggestions.
So we also had put actually this
under the TurtleFest net income
because they do do a lot of wetlands education and so forth at the self-camp.
So we've got that kind of fit.
And then the library is great for them and they have these nature kits,
backpacks that go out with the kids.
And so we brainstorm with them about getting some binoculars and bird information for there
and they have the backpacks.
And so those would go into that because we're trying to generate more interest
and we have a lot of people getting interested in birds and so forth.
So, we thought those would be nice ways to spend some of the net income from the National
Turtle Fest.
So, we estimated, is that $550 still sound nice to you Chris, would you look at that?
Static, not stagnant.
Yeah.
So, those were the two, besides the Camp Scholarship we've already approved.
And that would still leave, if we did those three things, that would still leave
over $1,300 in net income from Turtle Fest.
so we can save that for buying the turtle signs and getting things underway for next year.
And then, are you interested in wearing more T-shirts?
Yes. In fact, they know the breakdown of –
Lampery River knows the breakdown of the sizes that we'd like.
They're just waiting to say, yes, we'd like to get two dozen more,
which the Turtle Best Planning Committee had talked about.
There's already eight that were requested.
And they are, we didn't have those sizes anymore.
So with eight requested, we'd have a few on hand
after the eight requests that are fulfilled.
Yeah, so even though the event's over,
there seems to be a pretty strong interest
in getting a t-shirt.
I think we probably can still sell them,
at least make our money back from printing a t-shirt.
Well, yeah, eight would make the money back
and the rest would be great,
we can hold two dozen.
So we can back up and maybe one at a time
if your thoughts about the $658 donation
a motion to put $658 toward New Hampshire Turtle Rescue?
I'll make a motion.
Second.
Okay.
Discussion.
Voting.
All in favor.
All right.
That's unanimous.
So you'll interface with Carol how to get that donation to them all?
All right.
The Camp Atlas Scholarship we did already.
And again, I'll.
But Lizzie know that we voted on it and Ellen can figure out with Carol how to get that to Lizzie and purchase of binoculars.
This really fits with the library. They have a telescope, so they need binoculars.
So it kind of fits with their slowly plotting away at the library of things, a punch to things.
So do I have a motion to spend $550 for two pair of binoculars and maybe another couple of bird ID type things?
I would make a motion to buy binoculars or spend $550 to get binoculars and maybe a few bird ID things.
Two pair of binoculars.
Two pair.
Would like a nice binoculars.
Yes.
Eight by 42.
That's the key part right now.
I'll second.
Any more discussion about this?
Are you taking care of that purchase?
I could.
If you want me to.
If you want me to, I can't.
I don't want to do it.
So it's in your camp.
I can't wait.
Yes.
And I'll figure out how to interface with Carol again
to get that bought and paid for.
Thanks for the opportunity.
I think it's really important.
And I don't think it will fit with adults and kids
and families and all kind of people getting them out.
Is that a backpack like you can rent from the library?
Yes and no.
They've got a bunch of backpacks
that they do, they call them nature packs.
They have all kind of things in them.
thematic stories of crafts and whatnot.
So they have the backpacks.
We were interested in getting the binoculars
and the ID material, and they're gonna do with them
what they do with them.
Okay, yeah.
But yeah, the kids can check them out.
There's no cost to checking them out.
No, there's no cost at all.
I do believe it's gonna fit,
like I shouldn't speak the library,
but a student card holder,
there's probably an age limit to go check them out.
a student under a certain age can't just go get the telescope.
I doubt that a student could just go get the binoculars,
but I don't know that for a fact, but I'd rather doubt it due to the cost of it.
I assume adults too, Karen.
Not just your library card, you just go check them out.
I'm thinking like, you know, we have a bird walk in the future.
Oh, you don't have a pair of binoculars stopped by the library beforehand
and they have a couple you can borrow.
And you also could go so far as to say you know the bird walk,
the walk is, you know, September 20th.
Let the library know that if somebody wants to be 18th, please have them bring it back
overnight because you're anticipating a birdwalk.
They're not going to hold them for a week for something that's September 20th.
But in the back of their head, they could know, don't rent up the 19th if you can't
get it back to us in time for this underdate.
Yeah.
Cool.
Okay.
So we had a discussion.
Now we voted on it.
Yes.
Haven't voted on it yet.
All in favor to spend this $550 toward binoculars and bird info.
that's unanimous thank you okay that leaves the balance of the funds as she
said for oh t-shirt printing we should vote on that that pricing is going to be
I don't have the exact number if it's 24 it was roughly 10 age I would just say
it was essentially passed through money yeah you're gonna we're gonna permission
Second order of 2,000 shirts from Lamprey River.
So I'd make a motion to order 2,000 more turtle fest shirts
to be sold. Got you.
Second for that motion. Second.
Discussion. Jeff.
I don't think so because we've already bought shirts there.
You just said 2,000 to save for the purchase of 2,000.
That sounds good.
Is that clarified?
Is that good?
I just want to make sure we don't have to put a mattress.
Yeah, right.
And these are not the Golden May t-shirts.
These will be the Kiwi Green, just like a reorder of our existing order.
Okay, all in favor.
That's unanimous.
Thank you.
All right.
Yeah.
busy more than we come to staying with Ellen the next one I had up for you is I
guess either the the new budget memo the three proposed you want to just go
through that like master plan and the committee reports and then do that stuff
later you want to do all three of those later yeah because that's under
or treasurer's updates down below.
Okay.
Master plan, any development there, Ellen?
Another work on the recreation chapter,
planning board, you can talk about it
because I'm going to put the planning board.
So yeah, we didn't meet this month or the next month.
I think the recreation chapter and my new chapter
will be on the agenda.
Gotcha.
I can well imagine that the rec department
was rec-connected and getting ready for summer camp.
There's probably out straight.
and I hope this is the next thing to perpetuate to the top there.
The other good thing is that Bart reached out to actually Drew Keyfaber.
Oh, good.
And Lizzie.
Excuse me.
Actually, I suggested them because to get a little broader perspective on recreation
because we know it's more than...
Yeah.
...the active sports stuff.
Good.
That'll be some really nice input there.
Yeah, yeah.
We talked about trails.
Yeah.
Thrilling.
All right.
Committee reports.
Brian, town council.
Council met on the 4th. The thing I think would be of interest is that the library feasibility study was passed, so they're looking to try and expand their space.
They have some constraints and they're just going to be taking some money to take 35K out of their library capital reserve fund, hire some people to come look at ways they can add more room to this space.
space.
The 300th committee met yesterday.
Let's see, there's nothing really incoming up at
the moment. We are, yeah, nothing really applies to this, but we did put $500 in for those library
murals, but they, since those aren't happening anymore, that just came back. And on the
18th of the next town council there will be the broadside project where a
declaration by Wentworth Shazwell about the founding of the town will be
presented to town council. John Herman was behind that and if anyone wants to
come and watch that is on the 18th and yeah that was it. It's pretty
light in the summer. Thank you and I do want to thank Brian because at the
last meeting I had asked him to find out about the budget cycle, what when did we
have to do what where and when by when and I would really ask you now if you
know that you cannot make our July meeting to let us know now so we can
really make sure we talk to each other and ensure a quorum for the July
meeting because that's when we really should approve the budget if we want
to take a summer hiatus and not meet in August because Bart will need
this by September 11th, and our meeting is the 15th, and that's just cutting things.
He needs about the 15th, our meeting is the 11th, and that's cutting it way too close.
So we should get this approved in July so that he has it, and you know you won't be here.
So in another scenario, if enough of us know we can't do the July meeting, we could find
another time in August to meet based on people's August schedules but maybe Jeff
might be the only one who knows he can't be here in July we'll figure that out
but keep it in the back of your head that it will be an important meeting for
the budget and as well I was going to mention it later on but we will have
a guest speaker who it should be very exciting talking about an initiative
that affects the whole sea coast, so, okay, there's that.
Next, Ellen, still on you.
No, planning board, overdue.
Oh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, yeah, okay, sorry.
Mayor, have it here.
Okay, Jeff, sorry, planning board.
We met Tuesday of this week and we had a,
like, I left my packet in my car actually,
which had my notes on it.
We had a special meeting prior to our normal business
meeting to discuss the environment
energy chapter of the, that's what I recall, if it's just the energy chapter, if it's the environment.
I think it's the environment.
Yeah, environment energy chapter of the master plan. Spent an hour discussing that.
I believe he's the chair, Joe. Spoke to us a little bit about it.
We discussed it. There weren't a lot of changes to it that we discussed making, really, at all.
This is not really, we didn't move it on to so where they're,
Bart's going to accept comments or email for any changes.
But for as we only reviewed content and everybody was pretty happy with the content of it.
I was based on the, it was very energy centric, it was purely energy centric.
There was no environment, besides the impacts of using various types of energy that wasn't
that much about the environment and waste, which is something I know that that committee
focuses on.
So, I mean, that was like my biggest comment was like, I don't see anything about recycling,
composting, that sort of thing, but Bart said that's mostly typical care of in another
chapter anyway.
So I don't know if you guys had input on that other chapter.
I do remember just that part said it's in another chapter.
That's what Lindsey would keep telling us at our meetings when I was on energy and environment
and we wanted to tackle trash.
She said that's handled in facilities.
Yeah, so I don't have a lot to report on that besides that.
There may be more comments, but nothing was substance as they've spoken about at the meeting that would probably change it.
There was a little bit of discussion that there's some tables in there about EV vehicles that don't make a lot of sense.
And like to present to the general public as the numbers were kind of seemingly based on not scientific really.
because it's like, we think there's about this many.
So we're like, do we want to present that to people?
I think there's that many, because we don't really know.
There's some strange anomaly in the numbers,
so I think that was one of the bigger suggestions
to maybe remove that.
And some statistics are addressed in appendices
that maybe they shouldn't bog down the dialogue
and all that they're talking about,
but it was nothing like, what are they talking about?
You know, it all made sense.
The big thing that would be of interest to the commission
that we did discuss and again I don't have my notes are outside so I don't know
the address of the property but the property on North Main Street adjacent
to Shotmyre Park that had some septic issues. That landowner was there to
present the plan of the solution to the problem and after much discussion we
ended up conditionally approving it. There's a few things that they didn't
really talk about. There is a minor wetland impact I believe it's
like 78 or 79 square feet of wetland buffer,
25 foot buffer from all poorly drained wetland
is gonna be impacted by,
there's like a, on the adjacent,
their solution, I don't know if the commission's interested,
I don't have to go on or I can.
I know that the leak, and I went by there the other day
and Kayak and I could smell,
on the river I could smell it.
So I don't know if folks are interested,
I could kind of explain a little bit about it
I don't have to get too into it.
Basically, he has to hook up to Town Stewart, right?
Yeah, and it's not the ideal way to do it at the view of the board,
but it's a solution to a problem, and it can happen pretty quickly.
And so, you know, that was my perspective on it.
You know, it's not the best, but hey, it gets this thing done now.
You know, it's not going to take six more months to get through.
So for a minute there, I thought for sure it had to come to the Conservation Commission
for review because of the wetland buffer impact.
But the wetland buffer impact was not over 12,000 square feet.
But then I said, well, it's within 150 feet of the Lamprey River, but it actually has
to meet some of the criteria to then repush the floor to the commission, like it has
to be still over 12,000 square feet.
So I thought that was kind of astonishing, like you can disturb or put it so sorry
that 12,000 square foot is for utilities and driveways, and I thought it was kind of astonishing
that you could impact a quarter of an acre of wetland buffer without input from the conservation
commission, you know, rate adjacent to like a major water body, even, or so I think that
there's multiple deficiencies kind of in the wetland ordinance that we have the wetland
over the way, districts, regulations in there,
and I think we discussed amending some of them
with art and changing some of them, I think that.
And I mentioned this at the end of our meeting
when I gave the conservation report,
I was like, our meeting's this week,
but this is kind of astonishing to me
that you can disturb a quarter of a major
with a driveway, well and buck without
any input from the conservation commission.
And I was like, I'll add this to the list of items
that I would like the board to eventually address on the ordinance and the buffer regulations.
So I don't know if the commission thinks that makes sense or that or it doesn't.
Thank you for having this hat in mind when you were at that meeting.
Yeah, I mean that's part of the goal of the liaison is to make sure things that are
should be, yeah, and come to the commission for input and bring in the commission back
back and forth. So if folks think that that's a good idea, they'll kind of pursue a change
to that. I'm not sure what the square footer should be. To me it should be almost any because
not every board thinks of everything else. So we're like, oh, well, silk-densing them.
The person argues, well, why do you need that? It's only going to be open.
It's like, well, if it's got to be open for, you know, two days, you could have a thunderstorm.
In the middle of the summer, you could wash all of your soil into the wetland buffer area, you know.
So, you know, it was a good discussion. So, I don't know if the commission thinks there should be...
We can discuss it some other time, but...
So you are working with Florida on reviewing the whole...
So a few months ago. We reviewed some I met with them
We kind of went back and forth a little bit and then really haven't moved much on them recently. So
Yeah, it seems to me anything in that over life should be reviewed to see if it's still
We should tighten it up. I'd be curious to see if there is anything else out there other towns that how they protect their
Yeah, and I had brought up the whole buffer to the buffer
Yeah, yeah, right people that design stuff right up to the buffer. Yeah, and that that was a
make a discussion at the planning board, you know, if there would be support or if that's
the best way to tackle that issue.
So as members of NHACC, that could be a Barbara Richter question too, find out from her what
she knows about, I mean, this buffer to the buffer thing.
That exists.
In other towns.
It certainly does.
And I think she would know a lot about legislation, she'd know about what town did what, what
town did what and couldn't accomplish what, what town had an issue and did accomplish
it and have. NHACC could be a great resource for a topic like that.
So it seems that you have the buffer to not be touched, you know, that in my mind you
said putting the buffer, that's now part of the wetland because it's the buffer to the
water source, yeah. So you need a buffer to the buffer.
Yeah, you know, this is close to the prime wetland to offset from the river, but it
was just, it's like just outside it. It's like, the spoiled shouldn't get into the prime
wetland buffer. It should be within just the regular wetland buffer, the poorly drained
wetland buffer. Again, it's 75 square feet. The alternative would have been a lot more
buffer impact, but there's already a driveway there, so it's like, but there's something
to do with the state. So he's actually has to cross his lot and go to the, he
He owns two adjacent houses, running up to the next lot and then out to the road to not
have to put another attachment across 108 because supposedly the state will not let him.
And then the line from the house, just so the commission knows that if somebody wants
to bank this in a moment for down the road, the connection from the house out to 108
runs basically in a wetland.
So it was like a four inch or four and a half inch pipe from the house out to one
way buried within buffer and within that one itself. So I asked if that pipe had
been inspected, if they did a video inspection to know adding more flow to it,
is it gonna fail soon? That pipe, you know, it's a pipe and they hadn't done any
inspection. I think it was installed in the, I want to say the 90s at some point.
I don't know if it was early or late night, it's not like 200 years ago or something crazy like that.
So it's probably PVC or something which doesn't last forever.
So there could be an issue with twice the flow down the future. It's big enough to handle it.
But again, it was an immediate solution.
It was a thorough and comprehensive report from Planning Board.
Thank you for all of the details.
Well, it had something to do with commission this week.
Yeah, yeah. No, it does. So is there action to be taken to find out more? What do you feel
was the next step, knowing this was only 75 feet, but what about the buffer to the buffer?
What about that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's just my thing. Like nobody else on the planning
board is like, I'm going to work on these regulations. So I have a marked-up set of
them that I marked up while I was discussing with Bart while I was sitting there talking.
So it's a matter of marking it up a little more and then I could present it or send it
off to someone else in the commission to look at.
I would like commission input before anything is brought back to Bart.
Would it help to have an endorsement for us to say, yeah, we want you to work
with Bart on reviewing this overlay district and whatever recommendation we will review
and put forth to the pine board.
It seemed like you needed a little support.
It could. I mean Bart's definitely into it.
Yeah.
So Bart is supportive.
Yeah, yeah.
And I'm not saying that the pine board's not supportive.
I just don't think it's something anyone else is really
like more interested in pursuing.
Right, right.
Yeah, yeah.
So, um...
I like the idea of the letter of support.
And that way you can feel more supported.
Okay, sure.
We're just about to say, yeah, or in, you know,
consensus we endorse and review and we look forward to seeing recommended changes that we can account.
Oh, we did also, sorry, we reviewed the prime wetland report briefly.
Very brief discussion on the prime wetland report.
BART has yet to begin notification of the butters and landowners affected by them.
So we made sure that people affected by the changes
and people's lots who are impacted by them or the buffers, so the first buffer
extent, so every 150 feet. So any lot that's within 150 feet of the new
primal ones, any lot that's having impact change plus or minus will be
notified of that first reading, I believe, which will eventually end up at the time of council.
I think it was like short, if you have comments, bring them to the next meeting, and then we'll...
Oh, right.
Yeah, I don't recall.
There was some stuff from Pelham in there that folks focused on a little bit,
because they were confused to like, wait a minute, that doesn't look like a new market.
So I think Mark has some touch-up to do with the move on.
Yeah, okay.
Did Bart make no of that?
I believe he did.
I'm sure he did, yeah, yeah, he was there.
So, so sorry.
No, don't be sorry.
Back to the end, it just popped into my head
and it was in my head.
Yeah, it's okay.
So, I mean, a letter would be fine.
Yeah, I'm wondering, Ellen,
do you, would this be something that you can
do a skeletal draft and interface with Bridget about
or what would be the flow of getting this kind of letter
into the correct pathway?
Can you, a letter or is it just a vote now
to say we support, we really, we're, we support our view of the wetland overlay
district. There you go. So Jeff is a lead and we look forward to seeing the
recommendations. Would that be sufficient for you to feel sufficiently
supported? I think it comes up barely short.
I don't think we need a letter.
That just seems like... Yeah, no, I think that's actually not a bad idea
because then, it's known that it's not being done in like...
Yeah, you can present that item.
No, no, you're wearing the hat.
Perhaps there's any commissions that you can use here.
We don't want to get...
All right.
So that's a motion item.
Yeah, motion to...
So it's officially in the minutes here.
Can I vote on it?
I must vote on it because I support the review.
Sure.
We all support the review.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Okay.
So do I have a motion to motion as we support it's a verbal motion to verbally
support Jeff as the representative from Conservation Commission to Planning Board
to further the changes necessary in considering the buffer to the buffer.
I think it's just to review the well and overlay recommendations back to
conservation mission and planning board. Okay, all in favor of that. I'll send this here. Okay,
thank you. Jeff's seconded it. We all agree. Thank you, Jeff. Anything else from that? No?
No. All right. Riverfront advisory remains empty. School liaison. No, E&E is empty.
Riverfront advisory is still same, Kenny. You have something from sale? I'm
Yeah, but we should, I mean, don't make sure we report back.
We should have SAM report back.
Let me sit in an e-mail and ask him what's up.
Yeah, okay.
There's an e-mail report, right?
We'll have to come to a meeting.
Okay.
Maybe I can look at who else is under referent advisory
and see if they have, like, minutes or meeting reports
or something else involved.
Okay, back to Emma.
Hi.
Hi there. Thank you for being here and for the breaking news is Emma's gonna be our student rep again, so
Yeah, so
Tomorrow is our last day of school
So the past couple weeks just kind of been winding down and kind of figuring out what we're gonna do with everything
I'll be doing this year
So as I previously mentioned in a couple other meetings
We have started growing seeds inside our school is kind of a way to keep our school green even in the winter months
When I was kind of harder to do such things even though because that's how it's so cold
So we distributed all the seedlings that we had grown throughout the winter to all
of our different club members to take home. I personally just planted basil
with that in my backyard. So hopefully it doesn't get sunburned and it'll grow
healthy so I can make basil and pestone, everything like that. So that is what
we've kind of been doing with the seeds. As a planning throughout the summer,
We are planning on continuing a kind of extensive watering schedule for the trees
that we planted last year to ensure that they go healthy, they grow strong, we're
going to kind of re-correct the way that they've been growing because if you
aren't growing a little crooked. But this summer is kind of hard because of
participation and everybody's doing everything else and not a set-up
schedule so there's not much that we do outside of school. But we do plan
ahead for the next school year to kind of have ideas of what we want to
doing fall and towards the spring. So in the fall we plan to continue our roadside
cleanups to kind of clean up our streets and everything like that. It's really good
participation activity for a lot of people to get hands dirty with picking
up the streets and just keeping the areas around the school clean and walking
distance and just a great way to get outside and everything like that. And then
you're also planning on raising our water barrel that we have. So we have
water barrel right by the entrance of the school, but because of the weight
of the water is sinking into the ground because it's such a wet ground that it's on, so the
bricks that it's on are sinking into the ground. So we have to raise it up so that's more accessible
to everything because right now I have to take the bug netting off to get any water because
it's so low to the ground. So that's something that we're trying to fix just for more convenience
for everybody. It helps us. And then following the rain barrel we're doing it because we want
way to water the gardens that we're going to be redoing. So when our environmental
club was first created by a student, they created gardens outside of the
schools and in past years it's kind of been in the back of our minds not really
been a big concern. So one of our focuses this upcoming year is kind of
say centered at school and just kind of see what more we can do at school and
one item on our bucket list is redoing the gardens just kind of
keep it green, keep more student involvement, keep schedule with it watering and everything
like that just to make it more hours than it was past like the past members of our club.
So yeah, just kind of planning and figuring out what we want to do next year and just kind of
keep it centered to our school. We also just distributed the rocks that we painted with
environmentalism and paint just to kind of just liven up our school a little bit more.
Yeah, that's all you have.
Nice, thank you.
And you, how many, is it going to be like a JV
building year because your varsity team has left,
or what does your student population look like
for a club membership for next year?
We have about 50 members in our club,
which is really great for our school,
seeing as, yeah, so.
That's kind of everybody.
Our school is really small.
We have about 250 kids in our school,
so having a fifth of that population
just being in our solely in our club
is really important to us. A lot of it is our officers, so me included, and our
President Magnolia Redman, and there's about six of us with our advisor, Katie
Gazelle. We work really closely every week. We meet every week before school at
6.30 a.m. meetings, which I love so much, and we kind of just work really
closely to plan together. But as a whole student population, like in our
club we try to do big group involvement so that everybody's able to participate
it's not just that close-knit group of officers that are able to do it but it's
really open club it's really available to middle schoolers high schoolers
whoever is interested in joining and it's a really great way to just actively
participate but not having to commit to so much unless you are looking to go
above and beyond and become an officer and so I think that's a really
great part of our club and it's just a great way to have service, interact with
our school or community and our time community at the same time. I mean cleaning up
the streets is a really cool way of interacting and yeah I think it's just a
great way to see everything around us. It's very rewarding to see. It was messy, now it's clean.
It's a big difference. You don't think it will. You've been just picking up one
street just looks so much better. Just makes me feel good.
Well the recent Rec Connect event, it was very fun to show a picture of you at the Rec Connect event
and be able to say this was our student liaison and you had told me that you were going to do it again
so I thought, yeah, so I said it there, that you were, you were, this liaison this year
and that you were going to continue. And it was really fun to have the school superintendent there
and be able to have him say, oh, one of the students though.
And it's a lovely picture of you. It was standing by your booth at Turtle Fest.
That's right. Thank you so much. Yeah. Well, it's a pleasure to have the student reps.
I hope it catches on in ways that's possible with other boards or commissions.
It's not a new market, but in other towns they might hear.
We have you and they want to do the same thing. Thank you. Any other updates from
anybody pertinent to these kind of reports? I'll just say I had 14 students at New
Market Cares say I'm the 23rd at here in Pointe and that was very successful. A lot
of repeats from year before so that was fun. Yeah, it turned out it didn't rain as
much as we thought it was going to. Oh boy, that's great. It was a great job.
Okay now we're back to treasure here with Rosa property update. Okay so let's see
one kind of thing when we last met. So Bart and I went to the Lampere Advisory
Committee meeting. I think that was after our last meeting. I can't remember. We
asked for a hundred thousand dollars and they gave us a hundred thousand dollars
for the Rosa project which was very exciting. Very impressive because that's
a very large sum of money even for them. So it just shows the importance
of the property to the L.I.P.R. River, Faults Brook watershed and so forth and I think also
speaks to the collaboration we've had over the years with L.R.A.C. so very supportive
of our work.
Yep.
Does that change the way we're going to ask for a 100,000 dollars?
Yeah, so this we, a 100,000 dollars was in the budget.
Oh, S.D. asked.
S.D. asked for the L.I.P.R.
Okay, so it was already in there.
Okay.
Yeah, it was already in there.
Right.
So we asked for 100,000 and it gave us 100,000 so that's one piece of the overall
budget that we're looking for. And of course we've committed to 15,000 plus. We're looking
at a warrant article for next spring. The L-CHIP application will go in probably one
day or Tuesday. So that's about, we're asking for $75,000 from L-CHIP. And then I submitted
one to Fields Pond Foundation for 20,000. We won't hear from that until the end of
and LGIP is sometime in the fall, and we'll apply to Moose Plate in the fall as well, and
then also Great Bay Resource Protection Partnership will have another grant round as well.
So we're, you know, the LRAC thing was huge in terms of showing, you know, we're raising
the funds.
And BART is working, and Ben from SELF and myself have been working with our account
attorney and the Rose's attorney to draft the signed purchase and sales agreement.
So there's still some back and forth in terms of some things that we wanted, some things that the ROSA wanted in the contract.
But hopefully that will be signed in the next few days or early next week.
Any questions about the ROSA? Perfect.
Very constructive. Thank you.
Yeah, it's going well.
So I can keep going on the stewardship stuff.
So we have a bunch of stewardship things I wanted to talk about, a couple maps I put up in a packet.
So the one on the right is the Fallsbrook Watershed.
So if you look in the center is the Audubon Clocked Property,
and just to the left is where the ROSA project is.
But one of the things we've talked about for a couple years is...
I wasn't going to do this one first, but here I am.
So the orange are town properties and the Piscacic River Loisel has the trail and the Audubon property has the trail.
To the north of the Piscacic River Loisel is the Caroline Drive open space and the waterworks along the Falls Brook
and then Newso, Leahy and Zazik which we town bought.
And you'll see that the waterworks continues, our ownership continues into Durham.
And so one of the things, and once we do the Rosa property,
it would be really one of the things we want to do is look at what's the trail
connectivity possibilities but to think of that we also should do like a natural
resource inventory to figure out where the ecologically significant areas are
so you can do that at the same time do a trails analysis and the NRI natural
resource inventory at the same time so really what I want to just present
there's a couple steps that would be involved with this I think one is that
we would want the council to we want to present I think this to the town council
to say you know we want to do this but we really want to consolidate those
other town ownership into like a Fallsport conservation area like we
don't want to go do down this step if those lands are going to be used for
something else which they really really can't because it's kind of
conservation lens but we want to sort of get that endorsement that you know
Let's create this conservation area
and these are the two missions
to protect ecologically important areas
as well as look at trail connectivity.
The Water Works property and the Caroline Drive property
may need some additional boundary survey work.
So there's a cost to that.
The problem with survey work is
that nobody will give you a grant for it.
You'd have to pay that out of account funds
and so we'd have to think about the cost for that.
And then the natural resource inventory itself and the trails analysis we could go out and I think be pretty successful looking for grants
to fund that which could be that kind of a project here would be probably $20,000 to $30,000.
So I am not really looking for any funding support right now.
I just want to see if you think this is a good idea.
If so, we would probably create a memo to Barton Town Council and say this is what we're
thinking about out here.
These are the steps we think are involved.
Would you support this kind of thing?
I
think it was from a planning perspective.
I don't think that the land's ever going to be sold by the town and then be developed
because access is extremely difficult to anything that may be developed for them.
Unless they tried to put wells out there, I think it didn't work for one reason or another.
They built that road on the north side of the Brook and then they drilled a few wells and
they never developed them for one reason or another.
Obviously, they looked for water again in other places.
Yeah, I think that's out.
I should say Bart has talked to Sean, the head of the water department, and he is okay with it becoming conservation land.
So he has no, he doesn't see any future for those lands as water properties.
I think the town years ago assessed it for planting fields or something.
Right, the Rousseau, Zezek, yeah.
And that didn't pan out either?
No.
So I think it's a great opportunity to become a conservation area and have lofty soils or something.
I think the master plan process seems to support that
in terms of what the public is interested in,
in terms of trails and open space.
And the nice thing about that area
is it is close to downtown,
or there's neighborhoods there
that would really benefit from that.
I've always thought that was the best aspect
of the SCASIC-WISEL,
is how it's a new trail in town.
Yeah, I agree.
And then try to connect into Durham too.
Right, the idea is to also connect in new market,
but also then find connectivity into Durham and if you look at the waterworks all the
way where it goes, you know, the most northern of the pinkish-orangeous color, that in Durham
abuts the Rosa piece that we're planning to acquire. So we'll have connectivity in
terms of a fee ownership into Rosa. We probably want to collaborate with Audubon
because we might want to cross over.
This is a trail on Audubon.
There's only two there already.
Well, it's not a physical trail.
It's not a sanctioned trail.
Is there any trails on the Smith Sisters?
There is a trail.
Actually, yeah, there's a trail.
It's just that there's no parking.
But we should put the trail.
There is a trail on that property.
Yeah, that looks like something great.
We really have some cool trail sisters.
There's some opportunity there.
They, you know, as I think we've talked about before, they're a little bit under capacity
for managing lands and so they're trying to build up their staff again.
So there may be an opportunity to actually collaborate with them on even a bigger natural
resource inventory and trails analysis.
They could, you know, bring something maybe to a table.
It's looking like we'll probably have to have some bridges built to a rock.
I think four, yeah.
Boardwalks.
Bridges.
Boardwalks.
Yeah.
They're called boardwalks.
Is the trail that's there, like the lead line trail, it's commonly or often referred to that's up on the right, the north side of Fallsburg.
What do you call it?
You walk up there and then there's like a straight line trail that heads north.
Yeah, because I think it is.
That's just mostly of a private property, not even conserved.
So I think that, isn't that green property no access?
Yeah, the fair, yeah, yeah.
No, we'd have to work with Durham, and they'd have to work with those folks who own, because
that's private land, conserved by private land.
Yeah, no public access.
Well, yeah.
I don't know.
You can walk on through it, but I don't think it's a good idea.
The thing would be to sneak up through that other, there's only one ownership, that big
white space is one owner.
Yeah.
And they did a big clearing with fishing wallet or fishing game or wallet habitat
up there, so they're interested in conservation.
It comes right up to the Smith sisters property.
Yeah.
That was years ago. Is it growing any longer?
Yes, it's growing back.
So I guess I'm sort of just looking for, yeah, let's pursue this and
probably what we'd be looking for is
go to the council, get feedback from the council and then figure out
the survey needs, I know we've talked a little bit about that a little bit, but I think
should have decided we have to do the whole property. The Caroline Drive is the one
that was given to the town as part of that development,
Caroline Drive, and it needs a little
funky, and the boundaries, not so much
next to Audubon, because that boundary is pretty well known, but the boundary around the house
that's there, I think
at least it's modern, at least it's modern, so you can sort of figure it out in my opinion.
Yeah, yeah.
But I forget, I just, there might be some encroachments, but that's why we have to do a survey.
Okay.
Does it?
It's in line with what you've been working on with, you know, with 1000 people, and
connected with each other.
Yeah, I think it fits with the model.
Okay.
We'll be looking to the town to help pay for, so if we're going to take,
I'm
So we would take what conservation commissioners would say would take, like, not ownership, but responsibility for stewardship of that property.
See, we're leaving the town of a little bit of a, I mean, I know it's still the town.
Yeah.
But usually the funds for stuff come out of this.
Would the town, you think, help pay for the survey in the National Resource Inventory?
Because we're kind of leaving the town of the burden, maybe, a little bit.
I think we could find grants for the Natural Resource Inventory and maybe we could convince
the town that, you know, can you come up with the money for the surveys?
Because we don't really have that.
We don't have the ability of that.
It's getting like a conservation fund.
That might be a little bit expensive.
Yeah.
It's not going to have, you know, that kind of point.
We just did a little portion.
I know.
That's a lengthy boundary.
No, it's a lot.
Yeah.
The only good thing is the Audubon-Cloxus is well known, Piscassi-Glozell is well
known.
Yeah.
But the problem is the waterworks is not, and the carillon drive, those are the two that
are not.
The other ones are are.
Yeah, they're pretty well.
The exterior boundaries are pretty well known, and if the town's going to put them all in
conservation, they could probably just consolidate it.
Right, you don't need the interior.
You don't need all the boundaries.
Right.
You don't need the interior boundaries, and this is a question about whether or not
there's a gap in there somewhere.
Mm-hmm.
And I mean, you still technically should, on the ground, survey the entire boundary,
well known.
You still have to.
You should still survey the boundary.
And I know that when I did the survey work personally in the field back in the day on the north side of the brook,
I know we found some momentation back in there.
So it's not a blank slate anyway.
But it's just, it takes some time I guess as well.
Yeah, wild, wild, well I shouldn't, no, I'm not going to ask you for a wild estimate.
something different. Some are some. Yeah, we have to figure that out. So it may take us
several years to get to it. Okay, so that's that. So it sounds like, just consensus wise,
it sounds like positive. So then the other one is, put it on the left is, so that's
Falls Road and then River Bend. The bigger orange piece is about three and a half
acres which borders the school property. So the parking lot, you can see the
parking lot. It's in the lower center area of the school. The high school is
across the street. And then behind the parking lot the school owns, that was the
old, you know, carpeted greenhouse and they owned that land that then extends
to the town on the piece in orange. And so one of the thoughts was, actually
Lizzie, who's come up several times tonight, she lives in River Bend. And she says, you
know, there's sort of an informal trail on that 50-foot strip that comes down from River
Bend neighborhood onto that orange, the rest of the orange property. And then the kids
walk over to the school. There you go. But it's, you know, it's probably just pieces
of wood, right? It's not a nice boardwalk. And so my thought was, this seems like
a nice, you know, again, the master plan we're talking about, better connectivity,
particularly in town and it might be nice to talk to the school and see if they
would agree to collaborate on you know we'd have again to look for grants to
do a boardwalk kind of like we did at Wigan Farm I don't know the distance I
haven't actually been out there to measure the distance but and then get
a quote again from a trails consultant to figure out we do a wetlands
permit and a boardwalk and then presumably make a trail through the
woods out to the parking lot does that seem like a yeah I know a lot of I
know there's at least probably five families that definitely have kids I'd
be coming up to the middle school and high school soon and I think we're
definitely benefit from it you guys you can see it's quite a long walk and
parents aren't available.
Well, I think they'd be really beneficial. I know that kids use it quite frequently right now, so I think that would be definitely beneficial for them.
Right, because now they're walking through wet ground.
Right. And I know my friend who built it, she just fixed it up this year with a couple planks of wood, but it's definitely nothing like Reagan.
It's not like, it's definitely there, but it's not like a formal boardwalk or anything.
So she lives in that neighborhood?
Yeah, she lives right on that loop, right there, actually right around her backyard.
She created it with her dad, I believe when she was younger, so that she could access
a school more because she was one of those kids who had to walk, because her parents
weren't available.
So I definitely know of a couple kids who use that every day to get to school and
stuff like that.
So I think it would be very beneficial to do so.
Can you send me their names so they can definitely do that.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I think the public would use it going the other way. I mean people
Street to that be cool waiting like we want to do something like that. It's like a safer passage way to get to Main Street, too
So would it be the do you think the fist it would be the to talk to facilities person at the school or it'd be Todd Allen
I would definitely recommend. I would say Todd Allen
Mr. Quarman, Andrew Quarman, and David Riley.
I think they would all be good people to talk to.
David Riley is our facilities director.
He kind of just knows everything that's happening with everything over there,
so I think that all three of them would be very welcome to this idea.
I don't think it would be a bad idea.
I can give you the name of my friend.
Her dad actually owns Mighty Roots,
So I don't think that Hugo post that in any way, Chris Redmond.
I know Chris very well.
So he's the one who built that.
So that's another person who you might want to talk to.
So it's kind of a full circle moment.
But yeah.
So I don't think that would be a negative idea in any of their eyes.
But I definitely think it would be beneficial to talk to them.
I donated a bunch of money to help them buy that property.
That property?
Where the parking lot is?
The carpenter?
Oh, the part? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right.
Because I'm from the prison where the trail continues across, right?
Yeah.
And onto the grass.
Yeah, it kind of comes out to that where that peak is in the grass.
It's not the tall triangle in the back, but it ties it towards the corner.
Yeah.
That's where it comes out.
So it's not too far into the grass.
It's all in the woods, essentially.
Yeah, the carpenters are pretty used to it.
Right, right, yeah.
Okay.
I don't remember the results of the survey, it was just totally not, these blue-gold fields over there,
they were involved and they were trying to buy it to put into fields.
I think it's wet, but I don't know.
But even if they did fields, we'd still be connected to the fields, right?
Yeah, it's okay if we pursue, again, we don't need any funding yet just to be able to pursue
and talk to the people at the school and maybe get some quotes on what it would cost to
actually do the project.
That's interesting because we used to, and the commission used to talk about the two
pocket parks, whatever you want to call them, the little parks and we used to go
out there and look at them every year but we never even discussed that other piece.
I know.
like I didn't even know it was a piece of possible.
There's no signs.
It was given at the same time those pocket parks were for subdivision.
Which I'm going to talk about those pocket parks in a second.
It doesn't access out to Hacker's Falls road there, huh?
Yeah.
Yeah, that's the right way there too.
Because I think there was a talk about whether the school buses would come in there
and come out here or something like that.
But then it's open space.
But it's pretty, it's...
It's 50 PY.
I know.
I don't think they wanted to go by, you know, cause that, and I think it's also wet.
Even though the wetlands only show in one spot.
I think the soils are poorly drained.
There's some version.
Okay, so those, let's see.
What else do I got?
All right, one more thing.
Actually, yes, some more things.
All right.
I know.
Some more stuff came up.
So,
the Land and Water Conservation Fund is a federal state grant program, and we have
gotten several grants in New Market over the years from that funding source, one of which
was to acquire Sienna Park, or at the time it was called Waterfront Park, to acquire
the three parcels there.
And then Amy at REC has gotten a couple, one of which in the Conservation Commission
and the rec department before him, Jim Hilton this year, I think, got an LWCF grant for the
acquisition of Nichols Avenue property, which is the beaming field, I think.
And for some reason they bundled creating these signs.
These are the placa parks you're talking about, Jeff, out on Maston Road and Riverbend.
And they made these signs.
So anyway, the Land and Water Conservation Fund, the state portion, they just hired
a compliance person. They've never had one. And so after, you know, decades, they are
finally going around the state to determine compliance with these original grants because
there are some things that they're supposed to do or not do.
And the interesting thing
about the new market ones, at least the conservation stuff, Chanda Park and these,
you don't have almost no documentation about what are we supposed to do or not
So I've asked for that. Anyway, they finally came out. They showed up last Tuesday and I had been in correspondence with the new compliance person back in January because I was looking for documentation.
Anyway, she said, oh, we're here in town. And I go, great. So anyway, Bard and I and Amy was there because they had gone to look.
is a splash pad, REC was also a LWCF grant.
So anyway, we spent a lot of time with them at Shanda Park,
which was really useful because we were asking them
about future grants, not just this past stuff
that we've gotten, and it seems quite feasible
that the town could apply for LWCF
for some of the Shanda Park riverfront kinds of things.
As long as they're recreation related,
so we talked about improving water quality in my brook,
the living shoreline, that kind of stuff,
And maybe the improvement, you know, making the boat ramp and that's one of the things
we're making the boat ramp smaller and then maybe this raised area to get out of the flooding
area.
Anyway, all of that is possible.
Okay?
That part is, Jim, is a 100% recreation.
Yeah, yeah, no.
I mean, every last square inch of this recreation can be stored at a table.
So you can come back for more, you can go back for more money.
And it's either, it's from 50,000 to 500,000.
in a grant round. He said probably not this coming year because they need to allocate
some money to a certain project, but maybe in a year or two the town will be ready to
apply for more money. So that was actually very positive. And he thought they would be
getting even more money into this program. So that was very beneficial.
Anyway, so we didn't really get any feedback whether we were in compliance or other compliance,
But it seems like we're in compliance and then I didn't I couldn't go with them when they went to these pocket parks
but
The program director gave me these three signs to put on he says we're supposed to have these signs up
So I went around today between I and we put signs up.
I just wanted to give me an update
I don't know. I seem to guess has to report they have not yet because the only thing that we ever did at those was we
Trees had fallen down on neighbor's properties
they're likely to get your tree up. So we had to hire a tree company on one of them to go out there and do a little large
time to really break in or something. There's slightly, there's actually a third, there's a, like if you look at the, hold on,
let me go back. So if you look on the left again, you see up at River Bend where it comes off,
Yeah, it comes off of Packers Falls. There's the little orange park, which is this other, this one of the signs.
But then if you go further down there's another one and I didn't have a sign for that
So I don't I don't quite know what these parks were supposed to be. Yeah, there's a pull-up
The town Moses the most walkway to the river the neighbor kids. I think keep it open
So for me, these are like neighborhood parks and we at some point I think should have a neighborhood
outreach to say
You guys want to manage these parks because we don't we don't really do them a very good job with them
It might not be a bad idea to invite them here to see what they might like the park to be like.
Yeah, exactly.
We could facilitate them in any way.
Maybe they'd say, we like it the way it is.
Anyway, I just wanted to update because there was a connection to that area in these LWCF.
There's no association, although we have to like literally reach out to some of the
But if you think about if we do the false book thing, maybe part of that process is a facilitated process
like the Regional Planning Commission comes in and does a facilitated process and maybe that's when we reach out.
Because these are all, they're sort of all in close proximity to one another.
So maybe there's this outreach to this neighborhood about this, but also about what we're thinking about for the greater false book area.
It seems like it all ties together.
It would be neat to have that part of the river as always like pull it down trees and whatnot,
but one of them would be a neat spot to drop a kayak and then otherwise a portion of the
gaskets.
It's like the widest, deepest portion of the gaskets before it dumps over the dam.
But it's just often hard to navigate, but you can go from the dam up to the falls
and up towards Grand Road, right?
It's a wild area, so you have to decide, you know, do you want to?
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
They may say, oh, we want a little wild area fish or something.
Right, right.
Okay.
In the memo, you've talked the riverbend and it, well, it's broke, but the middle one,
the bike racks, I don't think you addressed that one.
Oh, yeah.
So that's it.
Yes, I told you I hadn't.
I'm feeling that one could be actionable.
Yeah.
So, I went to New American Cares Day.
It was interesting.
We were out of Heron Point and I was telling the students about the Gates law, you know,
this problem.
And one of them said, oh, well we bike over here. I think they also
biked on the trails, but we'll leave that. But anyway, they used to bike over
there. But then I got to thinking, well, because it's a long way to walk, maybe
the people would want to bike over there, but we don't have any bike racks in any
of our conservation areas. So I thought it might be worth thinking about, I
thought about, we can farm a bike rack, I thought about Piscassero-Rollezelle,
but we could start, Heron Point seems like an ideal place for a bike rack
because there's no way I mean then you can bike over there from downtown you get
there quicker yeah yeah so I just went on the line and looked up a couple
different kinds of bike racks just to see what they cost and so yeah here's two
versions one is apparently you can get eight bikes and one you can get seven
bikes and different costs I think this would have to come out of our
conservation fund. I don't think we have, we could go to the Lampere Advisory Committee
but I think it would be weird just to ask them for a bike rack when it's this amount of money
and they just gave it $100,000. Yeah, I think we gave it $100,000.
What about the record? The brand of the rally? Does it help by the...
I thought about that too. Yeah, I mean I cannot see if she would pay for this
or split it or something. Yeah, maybe we could split the cost.
How are they affixed to the ground?
That's her.
Yeah, that's what I was wondering too. But there's got to be ways, because there's
bike racks all over the wingland that are in woods and stuff.
I think the one on the right, it's probably
a pole.
It's like a state in the ground.
I think the whole goes way up in it.
She didn't a part of the bike ride either.
Well, I'd like to see us take action on this and pursue it.
And eventually I would say, Todd, let's go talk about just buying them and doing it.
We need something that shows people where these things can have like big numbers, like 100,000.
And this and that, this and that, but this is something that some of these there too probably have these by sick people
using bikes and parking bikes by the fall.
Maybe we could talk to Rec and say we could buy one for a hair and point, maybe you could buy one for Shannon Park.
And I might want to, maybe there's other places, maybe we need a bit of an assessment because
I don't know if there's a deal if you buy more or something.
There might, whoever you get them from, might have a deal on five or something and we have five spots
that the town could use bike racks at.
Even downtown out in that new little parker.
What did we do?
Because I'm not sure we're ready to know
which one we want to buy.
Yeah.
We just say, you know, I can talk to Amy
and check around town to see where we already have bike racks.
I would talk to Facilities Manager of the School District,
because Nancy Miller, the phys ed teacher there,
just bought a couple of bike racks for the schools.
Yeah, I would definitely talk to her.
So Nancy Miller and David Riley are good people to talk to
about that if you're looking for the schools.
I know we have a couple.
I know they're not permanent, so we kind of moved them around depending on what's happening
at school and stuff like that, so I think they would be good people to talk to.
Okay.
What about, do you know what you're talking about?
And they would know some ins and outs.
I think we have these ones on the left, just because they're portable, so we could
kind of move them.
I know when we, our environments team hosted bike slash walk to school day, it kind
of just encouraged people walking and biking to school.
We used those and brought them out front so that more people could park their scooters
and bikes.
And I know that kids who can't drive a lot of middle schoolers use them all around town.
I see them all the time.
Practicing safety?
Sure.
But I think it's definitely a great use of money if we do invest in it.
I know a lot of kids use that to get around town, especially during the summer months.
I think it would be a really good thing to add.
Like they're going to the town.
Part of the master plan, they wanted these wave-finding maps.
So it would show where bike racks are, where parking is.
And talking to Nancy or other people at the school,
they could probably tell you all the secret ins and outs of when it says,
like, this gauge metal or whatever.
They also might know, like, this is our vendor, we've just got six, you know,
we add on three more, whatever it is.
I even know that people bike to the Piscacic Greenway New Market,
then they just leave their bikes on the kiosk there behind them.
So I don't know if that'd be SELT or us.
They'll be SELT, probably.
Okay, so we'll investigate where we already have them, where we might want them,
and whether school would recommend getting more information from them.
Then we can come back in July and see if we want to.
It'd be so fun to do it in July because I'm just picturing beautiful September day.
We have shorts, but a hoodie.
Is there one at the rail trail down by Ashwalt Road?
Not anymore, it's changed because of the building and the new owner
and where you can park and access the rail trail.
I think depending on the owners and stuff like that,
I think that would be another good place to put that as well.
Depending on if we're able to do that.
Alright, I'll do a little recon.
Bike around town.
So people choose the walk path instead of biking in, I don't think that's a good point.
That is some action on one of your middle items.
I have one more I have to add, sorry.
Okay, so as part of the Heron Point Sanctuary Boundary Survey, there were a couple of places
which we completed and I'll set.
There were a couple spots though where the monuments are flush and they're like in grass and or they're
They're visible to the community there
And right now they're just marked with grade stakes and apparently the grade stakes are starting to disappear
Which is which happens if you just rely on grade stakes
But so we don't lose, you know, we paid a lot of money for boundary surveying
So we don't lose track of where those monuments are and so the people living there know where they are
there's about
I think there's about eight of those.
The rest are in stone walls and rebar and stuff,
so we don't need to worry about those.
But these eight, I think, could use
more permanent survey markers.
And if you look at on the right,
well, the marker in the middle is carbonate.
Can you explain what it is?
It's carcinite.
Carcinite.
It's basically, it's basically fiberglass.
Fiberglass.
And it's, yeah.
It's flexible, and it's sturdy.
It's flexible in one direction, or it's, yeah.
Yeah, not the latter of it.
And it's, you don't, yeah, I mean, I don't know that it's the,
you don't want to touch it with your bare hands
because the surface gets a little splintery
and you get some pepperglass splinters from it,
which is why I use leather gloves
and that and driver for the things.
But they last, I mean, they'll last virtually forever
because it's like five second fiberglass or whatever.
they wouldn't, you know, they're just witnesses to the marker so you can find them later.
But they, I don't know, Ellen and I were talking, they come in brown as well, and if you have
ever been out behind at the, is it Rockingham, at the Rockingham Golf Course subdivision
that they put in, there's we, the conservation commission, I believe, asked to have them
installed along the Lutland-Buffer boundary.
So there's brown ones out there, if you know someone who happened to be, they might be in their backyard if they're on the wetland side.
And we got custom decals that say like buffer area.
I believe there's like a picture of a leaf or any form or something like that.
You can get a custom decal that you can design on the website.
They're not super cheap.
No, so they're about $33 a piece, plus the decal which might be $40 a piece, $50 a piece.
But if you look at the picture on the right is out at Anastrom Conservation Eastmen, so
there's a whole bunch of them that we're putting in as part of that.
So those are marking also some buffer.
Use areas.
And so that's what those look like.
So those were, I think, just standard ones bought, really made.
Yeah, those are standard ones that we just bought.
And they do ship in from, like, Wisconsin, so there's a fair amount of shipping costs.
Yeah, but I think this is something we should do, this is something I think we should do sooner or later,
because I think those great states are going to disappear.
And so I would suggest we buy...
They're extremely hard to pull out of the ground, even without,
so you know how they, on the website they sell these little anchor things,
which make them even harder to pull out.
It's like a barb essentially, but I tell you, I've had to try to pull a few out before,
and I just couldn't do it.
So I don't know, maybe it's worth buying the anchors, I don't know, if the soil is wet
and soft it would probably be easy to pull them out, if it's rocky at all they start
to splinter and they just get completely stuck in the ground.
So if you think it's going to be in someone's yard that's like manicured that's not
rocks in the ground and a bunch of junk down there to make it and put the
plot might want to get the anchors if you're worried about them disappearing.
So if you think, if one is $32.50 plus we have to have the decals
plus the anchors plus shipping, what do you think, I think it'll be like $50 a piece?
I think so. We always get the thin line. The thin line ones are the ones
that I know the best and they're usually like $72
or something delivered about approximately. For one?
They're probably about $60, $61.00 or $60,000.00.
For one. They're costing out ones. Okay.
Were you thinking to put them, so if you go down the driveway on the right-hand side,
through the woods there, where there's like the scattered iron pipes and no other boundary evidence over there?
No, so if I'm sorry, I don't know.
Only in people's yards, I guess.
Yeah, so if you go, so this place is what I was thinking,
if you go in Meadow Drive off of a road and you take the first left,
which is we don't typically go over there. But if you go over there, around the bend, we have a 50-foot strip that comes out.
So that's the area that we don't make trails in. But there's two that are right in that grass, and those are the ones that are starting to take down.
And we kind of need the community to know that's town property right there. So I think those we should have one there, one there.
There's two. And then if you keep going on that road in the bends, there's the private driveway that goes back.
and they're dumpster for the Heron Point communities right there and there's two
flush miners right behind that and I think we should and there's two right in
the pavement it's kind of a funky boundary right there but then there's two
right behind the dumpster so I thought we should have two there and then over
on the easement into Heron Point sanctuary there are four corners to mark
where the easement is for us to get into Heron Point sanctuary.
I think it sounds
it ties in nicely too. Oh yeah, by the way, we'd like to put some bicycle racks in.
Yeah. The only thing, I like the idea of putting them in there. The only thing I just, with the neighbors saying,
I don't want this thing in my yard, like if it's like literally in someone's yard,
and that's why I was suggesting brown instead of the orange is pretty bright.
It does get, they do fade a little bit over time. The orange ones do anyway.
or just such a danger with a Robinson kind of a sign though you know yeah I
was just thinking about the brightness of the yeah even the survey marker or
whatever you decide to put on the sticker yeah I mean we won't have to we
could say please not we don't say like please do not disturb or something we
could say I was thinking we could put me the town seal and say something about
Barney marker is it I think that I think they would know even if it was
just the town seal, do you think folks would go like, oh, okay? Or do you think I'd have
to say boundary? I don't even know the boundary we'd be requiring. I mean maybe. Because you
really want it there to find the pipe later. Yeah, that's a good example.
We can figure
that out. I could talk to Judy, the site manager, and say, you know, we're gonna
make these what you think would be appropriate language. Because sometimes people want
And, you know, they have a whole community there, and sometimes they want, yeah, we should
have that there to show people where the boundaries, and they actually want it there.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I think it's good.
It's just some folks in New York, and I know that there's, when we were installing tags
at where New Roots was out there when we were concerned about tags facing, like on the edges,
like there's a stone wall and it's like, we need a tag to say it's conservation easement,
it's a stone wall, it's here, they can see it.
We need this post here and we're going to put it there in the yard.
They can see it, probably know what it means.
I just like to try to be as intrusive on people's visuals.
I mean it is a little intrusive there. I mean I guess I know people still want to talk about it.
I guess the purpose is that you want it there so people see it and they stay off of it
or you just want to be able to find the pipe later.
I don't think as long as you don't even know where it is because
you lose track of it.
Like the four, the ones out at Nonstrum Farm, the four around the exclusion area,
we have no idea where they are.
Yeah, so we had a client. I had a client once that put rocks on all of the lock corners
in the subdivision. I'd just suggest if you put rocks there and make sure they're big enough
people can't move them and they're not on top of the monument itself. They're like
adjacent to it. And they mow it. So then those would be in the way of mowing. I don't
know. I like the idea of having something there because, you know, like nobody's known
most pipes have been there for 30 years probably? I still think these like, I don't find them because
I've looked at these on this, on the Austrian property, they don't seem, I mean they seem fine to me.
Is there a way to make it be that the post is not like when you walk like that looks like it's more
like high height, is there a way to make it just be that fiber, that material is on a much
smaller post? Well that's, well that's, you can get a shorter one, about 60 inches.
There's a
in the ground, what a foot?
Maybe two.
It would stick up like three feet.
So then it would be up three feet.
So we get the shorter ones?
Yeah, get the shorter ones.
I think that kind of marries the concern or the interest you have in property owners,
and it's not obtrusive, and the interest you have to protect it,
which helps everybody understand each other's new thoughts.
I know that when we did shop on our part,
we put in a grant of posts as part of that project.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then, you know, there's always the option of going with, you know, like a cedar post
that's putting it behind it that looks more natural and maybe doesn't mean it would be
fine.
I like these.
Trust me.
I said it all the time.
They last forever.
They're impossible to pull out of the ground.
They like check all the boxes.
It's just if you're in someone's garden and not in the woods or something.
You don't usually see them like adjacent to the street. Okay, that's a good point. Okay
What about you said let's let's I propose we buy six and here's the budget I would say yes, you know what I mean
I wouldn't but what about just putting in a four by four post
pressure to the post
cheaper
Someone could take a saw to either one of those and cut them down. So it doesn't matter. I could cut this car tonight
Yeah, knock it out. Yeah
I will say too, on a street edge, if that thing does get broken up on a snow bank or something like that, it's like a gnarly mess of splintered fiberglass.
Well, that's good to know, because the tube behind the dumpster is where they put snow, and so they could get damaged.
So why don't we go with maybe just four by four posts?
like if you were to saw these at her and point all those iron pipes on the
right-hand side of the driveway I would definitely put them by those because
they're in the woods yeah yeah and and those are hard to find like there's
literally nothing around in the part we didn't survey in the part we didn't do
survey yeah those pipes you and I walked out yeah yo those no okay so
in a big circle here. What do you derive from this? How much are your 4x4 posts
pressure treated? Ten bucks? I bought a bunch of cedar on the 24 bucks.
I believe
for a four foot 4x4, no 4x4 by 8. Cedar posts? Cedar posts are expensive.
All right so let's say they're 25 apiece. You said it was 20 for a cedar post?
I think they were like $26.20.
That was like actually a year ago.
Three times eight.
We got $250.
So let's say $250 for some posts for a hand point.
I'll figure out what kind of one.
Okay, makes it easier.
And then you can even, if you want, you can tag.
Yeah, we put those little triangles.
We'll put our, we'll have the little boundary sign.
We'll put those little.
Which actually makes it easier.
You can do it like that and like that and do it properly.
I also have, you know, as you know, NRCS's standard is basic metal, green metal fence posts with the wings on the bottom, and then the sign is bolted and bolted down.
I like the idea of the posts better.
I like the posts better.
And if we can get cedar posts and it looks nice, we could do that.
It's similar to the UNH trails in college woods.
All right, just to give some, why don't we say up to $300, that gives some leeway in terms of costs and picking up, and stuff.
Do you have a motion for that?
I'll make a motion.
A second.
Okay, any further discussion about cedar posts for boundary marker protection?
For some kind of posts.
Any motion about something to do something helpful?
Yeah.
All in favor?
Aye.
Okay, that's unanimous. Thank you.
All right.
Thanks for the full circle discussion, because that really feels actually very comfortable
from a genesis of idea to actuality.
All right. I think that was my, I shot my wand.
Okay, going, going, gone Snyder. Good?
Good.
All right. So the one thing I didn't have labeled for, for Ellen or for further discussion,
and I'm going to just drill it in here is there is a there will be a budget
request for the next year out and we're going to talk about that in July so
please decide from Jeff please consider being here or talking before that about
you're not going to be able to so we can come up with something to make sure
we get our budget in on time okay so there's treasures update any new
business from anyone?
Any closing comments? Turtles are on the move. Turtles are actually
out there on the move indeed. So our garden gloves, be really careful of driving with garden
gloves in the road. I had tandem, so you know they recommend, you know, if you've got
sand, you can make a sandy area in the air, right? So I've said a hundred times here
like we haven't made sand box, we took the left of sand and turtles lay eggs every
every year. The other morning there were two snapping turtles this big, about six
feet apart. Oh my god. They look like twins laying turtles right
and just like 15 feet from our house. The third turtle lays eggs in that sandy
spot this year. Wow.
I'm gonna put on to talk about in July when are we gonna
I'm going to clean out all those bird houses at Piscasse-Clauzelle.
And a reminder that in July we will also have seven rivers to the coast giving us a presentation,
which they've requested about a half hour.
That's the looking forward part of the program here.
Anything else?
Greater go to the group.
Okay.
Do we have a motion to adjourn?
So moved.
Second.
So.
Thank you, Jeff.
Seconded Ellen's motion.
Any discussion about that?
Okay, saying none.
Happy evening.
Summer weather.
Soon.
Hoping for fireflies.
Pretty soon.