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Good evening everybody. I'm going to

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call the meeting to order. This is the

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regular council meeting scheduled for

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Monday, September 14th, 6 p.m. in the

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council chambers. Present, we have

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myself, Rick Effer Chase, mayor of city

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of Newport. Council President Carter

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Finnegan, Andrew Tuchet and John

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Manette, both council members present in

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the room. Council member Sharon Perry is

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present online. City manager Joe Gunter

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is with us in the room. Uh, city clerk

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and treasurer Jim Johnson is here. Uh,

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looking around the room, I don't think

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we have anybody else in the room tonight

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from staff. And Dave Rue is with us

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who's our attorney from SPNF.

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>> There's a little feedback. Is that

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>> Yeah, I think it's

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>> okay. Sorry. Right.

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>> It's not

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» I'll tell you what. Let's just turn

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yours off for a few minutes.

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>> Just push it back sometimes.

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>> Yeah, it was that one.

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>> Okay.

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>> I want to apologize to those of you who

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watched this meeting online because our

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last meeting, I plugged the cord for the

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recorder into something that was not to

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supposed to receive a plug and the

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battery lasted for about an hour and a

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half and then just stopped. So, we still

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had a recording of everything. We always

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have a backup through the uh Google Meet

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online and if you go on and look at it

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on the NEKTV

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uh YouTube, you'll discover that it just

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kind of abruptly shifts from one kind of

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camera work to another in there. That

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was my fault.

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Um uh do we have any additions and

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deletions, council members? Anything you

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want to add or delete? Sharon, you okay?

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>> Nothing. Joe?

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>> Yes, sir.

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>> And Jim, anything from you? Okay. And I

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don't have any additions or deletions

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>> except for that one. Extra check

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warrant.

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>> Oh yeah, probably ought to just mention

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that here. You're right. Good point. So,

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we have a lot of AP warrants this time

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and we had one that was distributed just

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this morning uh for

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uh it was uh for the 14th today. Um and

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it's basically three bills that we owe

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ourselves for water from the city of

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Newport. uh totals $1,57.

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So, we've added that to the list of on

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the consent agenda. Thank you.

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Uh before I take a vote on the consent

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agenda, I want to say that um two

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things. First of all, uh we have begun

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trying to make the shift that we

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discussed at our last meeting. Uh it was

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the meeting regarding the charter where

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we agreed that good practice and the

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charter itself uh mean that we should

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have uh signatures from all of the

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council members or at least I think it's

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three of the council members are

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supposed to sign before we paid any

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bills. There's been a long long time

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that predated me that that has not been

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happening. There was apparently an

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action taken long before I came along uh

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to say that there were exceptions to

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that rule. We're doing our best to kind

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of get ourselves back on that track. So,

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tonight we have a lot of AP warrants

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from the 21st of August, the 28th of

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August, the 4th of September, the 11th

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of September, another one on the 11th of

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September, and yet another one on the

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14th of September. We're doing all of

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those tonight, none of which have had

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checks paid out on them yet. So, um,

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before I take that motion though, I will

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also say that on the 4th of September,

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that warrant, uh, includes a payment to

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Newport Downtown Development, the annual

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support that Newport Downtown receives

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from the city of Newport of $30,000. So,

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I have signed all of the AP warrants

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except that one personally because of a

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conflict of interest as director of NDD.

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>> So, do I have a motion to approve the

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consent agenda? So moved.

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>> I have a motion. Do I have a second?

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I'll second

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>> and a second. Any discussion about any

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of that?

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>> Lori,

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>> I have a question. I have a question.

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>> Go ahead, Sharon.

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>> I was just wondering on the 11 the

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pressure reducing valve to the total of

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$20,000. What's the story behind that?

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>> Yeah. Joe, do you want to speak to that

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one?

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about that one. Um, this is

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>> is that the parent street?

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>> Yes. This is the item that everybody was

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paying attention to in town around the

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water that was being released

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continuously for much of the summer uh

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from the Fen Street uh fire hydrant. We

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had an issue where the east side water

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tower was, I'm sorry, the westside water

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tower was overpressurizing people's

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homes and putting them at risk. And so

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we had to do a significant amount of

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troubleshooting to figure that out. And

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if I remember from when I looked at that

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warrant, that was um a uh what's the

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name of the company that we

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>> Laramie, thank you. That was Laram

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>> coming in to help us to try and

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troubleshoot that. It took at least

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three attempts at ordering parts,

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replacing, and trying to fix it. And I

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understand, Joe, if I'm correct, that's now resolved. Right.

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>> As far as I know, yes.

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running.

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>> The fire hydrant has been shut down,

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which is a good thing. So, but it was

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yeah, it was a pretty challenging summer

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with that.

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>> Any other questions, Sharon, that you

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>> Thank you. No, that was my big one.

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>> Lori. Go ahead.

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checks, um, is are we going to run into

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a risk of any kind of uh, you know,

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extra payments or uh, penalties or

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anything for not payment? And how is

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that going to go forward in the future

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uh with having to wait so long?

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>> Good question. We are working on a plan

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whereby uh Joe and Jim can notify the

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council members if there's something in

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between our regular meetings and there's

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likely to be because we try to do AP

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warrants once a week. So, on those off

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weeks from council meetings, our

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expectation is that uh Joe and Jim will

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reach out to council members, ask if

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they have any questions, and ask them to

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either respond. I think we're

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determining, we just need to double

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check it to be sure, that we can do that

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by email to respond and sign off on

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them, and then it can go out over my

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signature or Carter's as needed. So,

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we're trying to come up with an interim.

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In the meantime, nothing about these

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bills, as far as I know, has been

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delayed. We looked at some of them last

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week and agreed they could afford to

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agenda

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hearing? None. I have a motion and a

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second. All those in favor, please say

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>> Oppose? Nay. Motion carries. Thank you.

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Next item on the agenda is public

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comment for items that are not listed on

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the agenda tonight. What do we got

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there? Andrew,

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>> Jay Walsh.

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>> Great. Um, so Jay, I'll just remind you

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and everyone else in the room, we tend

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to ask folks to go for two minutes.

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We'll give you a warning and then give

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you another minute beyond that. Won't be

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» Good evening. I'm Jay Walsh, resident

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for Vermont. Um what I'm here today to

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uh present is a

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a violation of u pursuant to uh 1 VSA

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314. It's an open meeting law violation

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filing the formal complaint alleging

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violation of the open meeting law.

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Alleged violation is a warning for the

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public hearing on the proposed charter

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amendments amendments does not satisfy

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the requirements of VS of one BSA 312

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and set BSA 17 2642.

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The warning bundles

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multiple distinct charter changes into a

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single article failing to specify

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specifically indicate the business to be

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transacted.

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The separate articles are required by

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2642. The warning does not provide

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sufficient notice of the specific

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questions to be voted on depriving the

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public of a meaningful opportunity to

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participate. Um my arguments go on uh

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today are legal arguments. I'm not going

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to read through them all. Uh they'll all

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be posted. You'll have to respond to

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them anyway. So I'll be presenting this

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to the uh city uh clerk.

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list? Andrew, you would like to speak.

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Hey everyone. Teresa Jer resident of

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Newport and I just wanted to talk

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briefly about the recent draft air

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permit for the bleach treatment system

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that they have in the Coventry landfill.

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know how many others here were able to

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go. But I did want to say that in that

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draft permit, the language that they

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talk about are that the levels of toxic

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contaminants that that are produced are

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estimated

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and they're not anticipated

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to exceed regulatory levels. So they

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pass this permit with no data, no

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monitoring of what's going to happen.

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and they claim that there is no

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technology to monitor real time, but

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that's not true either. So, I guess I'm

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just a little concerned that perhaps the

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state regulators are not really holding

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the landfill to the level that they need

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to be held to and providing a permit

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without data to justify that permit. I

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also went to the landfill oversight

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meeting which was held September 2nd and

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A couple of things that kind of piqued

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my interest. One has to do with the odor

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monitoring that they're doing. Third

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party um twice a twice a week goes to

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detect if there are offsite odors. This

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is just a a sniff test. A human being

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can smell it or not. There's no

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equipment involved. And 63% of the time

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that they have those inspections, odors

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do go off site. So I asked the ACT 250

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district coordinator,

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what is the action level when something

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has to be done? What percentage of the

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time when they smell odors does it then

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trigger an action level and there is no trigger. So

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we could smell the landfill constantly

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and there's nothing in place to improve

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that situation.

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um the folks from the Department of

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Environmental Conservation Solid Waste

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Management Group were there and they let

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us know that oh yes, they're they did a

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um I don't know if you were aware, but

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they had several meetings last year to

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talk about future disposal capacity for

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the state of Vermont for the waste.

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>> And they were they talked to people from

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different states, they talked to people

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in state. Um, and the bottom line in

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their report is there is no plan for

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another landfill in the state. They are

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not going to evaluate another site.

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They're not going to look into

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anything but what we have here, which

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they anticipate will be at full capacity

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at 2045.

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They may transport waste offsite.

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It's too difficult to permit a landfill.

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However, if a private company came to

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them with a proposal

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like Fella who might want to expand what

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they have, they would entertain that.

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So, I feel a little bit of a lack of

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trust of the state. And I'm hoping that

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if you're involved in any decisions like

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that that you really read between the

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lines and ask the right questions and

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make sure we know what's happening

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because right now there's just not a lot

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of data.

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>> Thank you.

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Lori.

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» Uh, it's Lori Graham, president of

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Newport. Uh, I just wanted to bring to

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the council's attention and the citizens

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of Newport, uh, that we have a new, um,

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group in town called Rule Vermont

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Rising. It's part of a statewide uh

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nonprofit, excuse me, nonpartisan group

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of uh just everyday people who are

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concerned about things that are

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happening uh in our legislature

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specifically started around um Act 250,

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Act 181, and how that affects our

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communities. Uh I know that Newport is

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in a little bit different situation than

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some of the smaller communities, but

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important nonetheless. Um I am sort of

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helping to get the group off the ground.

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Uh how involved they'll be I'm not sure.

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But I wanted people to be aware that um

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we have had a couple of meetings locally

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and we're looking at having uh hopefully

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a larger meeting in mid to late October

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locally um just to get people involved

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and we'll be getting more information

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out there. But I want I didn't want to

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share that with the council.

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>> Thank you.

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Okay. Sorry, Adam. You have to sign up.

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>> No, no, no. Not you. I was trying to get

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I want to be on your your thing.

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>> Okay.

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Next item on the agenda item on the

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agenda is the second public hearing to

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consider proposed charter changes that

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have been brought to us by the charter

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task force from their work this summer.

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Uh do I have a motion to to enter into

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that public hearing? Second public

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hearing.

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>> I'll make that motion.

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>> Motion and a second. Have a motion and a

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second. Any comment, questions?

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Hearing none, all those in favor, please

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say I.

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>> I oppose. Nay. We are in the second

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public hearing.

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So, uh, just a quick review for those

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who weren't here, uh, at our last

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meeting where we had the first public

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hearing,

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uh, we went through and literally read

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every line of the proposed charter

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changes and discussed them at some

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significant length. And we had a list of

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a few things at the end of that process

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that we asked the charter task force to

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convene and meet again about. And so

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tonight, anything is on the table. If

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there's someone in the community or on

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the council who would like to bring up

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anything we've already considered, you

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are absolutely welcome to do that. We do

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not intend to read the entire entire

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charter line for line again the way we

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did at the last meeting. But there's

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plenty of opportunity to speak if anyone

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would like to. So I think maybe the way

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to do this Charlie and Sharon is to ask

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you folks to report first on the things

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that you had brought back to uh actually

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hold on let me just ask a question of

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the council and the task force. Um

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Jennifer Hopkins has been kind enough to

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bring us a couple of pages of her

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entirely welcome nitpicking

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and I say that with love. Um, Jennifer,

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for those who don't know it, has an

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eagle eye and she's really good at

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making sure that we've got everything in

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agreement with each other and

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appropriately thing things are

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appropriately capitalized, etc. She

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suggested that we might want to just

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take all of those at once and uh agree

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on them and the council has seen a copy

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of that document. I have it here in

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front of me. And I think what we might

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do is just review the uh changes that

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she's proposing in this document. And I

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think it might make most sense to do

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that first and then to do the charter uh

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report. And then Dave Rub, please

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correct me if I'm wrong, but as I

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understand it, if I read read through

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these, we could then take action on all

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of Jennifer's changes simultaneously at

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with one motion. Is that correct?

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Um, yes. Unless you want me to take a

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look at it first, in which case you

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might want to delay.

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>> It's just capital.

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>> So delay as in have you do I'm sorry.

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Say that again, Sharon.

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>> It's mostly punctuation and

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s's and making sure that our grammar is

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correct. Correct. Right, Jennifer?

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>> It's a second one. Sharon, it's more

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capitalizations.

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>> Yeah.

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Suffice it to say, what I mean is I

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haven't had yet had time to review it

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and um I think that you know I'm happy

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to implement these uh in conjunction

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with other changes suggested tonight. Uh

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they don't necessarily have to be

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approved tonight. They can be approved

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uh when we approve the charter to

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advance it for the special city meeting.

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Uh as well not saying that I have

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anything wrong or any concerns about

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what was changed. I just haven't had the

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opportunity to review it in conjunction

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with the other uh changes that are going

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to be made this evening.

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>> Okay. So, let me just review a process

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thing then for folks in the room who may

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not who who definitely don't know kind

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of what we have in mind. Our idea was

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that we would do tonight what we did at

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the last meeting, which is go through

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and actually have the council act on any

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final changes that we would like to see

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and then uh we would give this document

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over to Dave and his colleagues and they

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would create a clean final draft for

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everyone to for the council to look at the meeting on the 21st, a week from

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tonight. And that's the point at which

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the council would then take action to

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approve the the proposed changes

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um in the and as well as the language

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that will be used to warn this item for

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the November 3rd ballot. So, council

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members, is it okay with you if we

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simply give these uh punctuation and

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kind of uh capitalization kind of

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questions to Dave to include in that?

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» Sure.

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>> Yes.

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Sharon, that worked for you

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» because it's not it's not content,

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right, Jennifer? It's it's grammar.

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>> Yeah, correct. It's not content. None of

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this is intended to be content. It it's also important to note, Rick, that

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while we will have a clean version of

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the charter uh ready for the next

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meeting, there's also the law requires

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us to have the amended form showing

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changes to the from between the current

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city charter and those that will be

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before the council. That amended version

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will also be in the polling in the

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ballot box for everyone to review as

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well as posted um once it's ready to go.

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So, I just we need a little more time to

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implement these changes and make sure

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the documents are in their right form.

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But I no particular concern or problem

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with anything Jennifer is raising here.

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>> Okay. If that's acceptable to everyone,

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then we're just going to ask the firm to

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take that on for us. Okay.

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>> All right. Thank you. So, Charlie and

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Sharon, where would you like to begin?

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Um, having not having talked to Charlie

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earlier,

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>> I'm wondering if a logical place to

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start would be our list

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that we worked on when the task force

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met last week

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starting it was I believe starting with

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section seven. It was all those areas

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that you, Rick, and the council asked us

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to look at

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um to deal with some details.

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>> Yes. So, for folks in the community who

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are trying to follow along, if you had

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the version that was put up online, this

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was this was titled Charter Task Force

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Updates, Tuesday, September 8th, 2026.

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Do you all have that?

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>> We need it.

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>> Okay.

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six six of them.

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>> So, yeah. Uh, yes. So, let's begin then

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with that document and section seven,

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mayor and council members of city

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council. Um,

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I'll I'll just go ahead. We're going to

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I'll read through these the way we did

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last week. Okay? And then we'll ask if

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council has any questions, task force

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members have any questions, anybody in

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the community has any questions, David

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Rue has any questions, and then if they

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don't, we'll take action on on each

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section. So the first paragraph here

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under the proposed change reads, "The

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administration of all fiscal,

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credential, and municipal affairs of

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said city, and the government thereof

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shall be vested in the mayor and council

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members. There shall be four council

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members who shall elect one of their

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number president of said council. The

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mayor and the council members in their

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joint capacity shall be called the city

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council. In the event that the mayor's

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office becomes vacant, the president of

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the council shall assume the duties of

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the mayor until the next annual or

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special meeting is held, the mayor and

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council members shall be sworn to the

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faithful performance of their duties.

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And this last sentence I'm about to read

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is new. With the exception of acting as

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a volunteer firefighter, the mayor and

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coun city council shall not be otherwise

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employed by the city.

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Any questions about what I've read so

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far?

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I can just add that where that came from

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was as we were as a task force reviewing

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um we realized that when we went back

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and looked at sections that we struck

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through in the original charter that we

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hadn't really talked about the fire

544
00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:23,440
department a whole lot and and we it's

545
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,320
always been practice not to have a

546
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,159
council member who is employed by the

547
00:22:28,159 --> 00:22:30,240
city but it doesn't state that anywhere

548
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,240
in the charter. So that's where that

549
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,559
line came from.

550
00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:37,360
>> Okay. Charter members, task force

551
00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:39,360
charter, anybody want to comment on this

552
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:41,760
in any way?

553
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,039
>> Are there comments from the community?

554
00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:45,120
Anybody like to speak to this? Jennifer

555
00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:46,159
Hopkins.

556
00:22:46,159 --> 00:22:54,070
>> Just a correction. Okay.

557
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,720
» Jennifer Hopkins. The last line should

558
00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,320
say not city council but council members

559
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:07,029
of what your the addition

560
00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:10,240
» can say for the other ones.

561
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,320
>> Yeah, the rest of the paragraph

562
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:12,799
specifies

563
00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:14,240
>> it matches the rest

564
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,280
>> city and council members. She's right.

565
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,880
>> Shall not be otherwise employed by the

566
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,799
city. Thank you, Jennifer.

567
00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:23,039
>> We missed that. We talked about that.

568
00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:24,559
And

569
00:23:24,559 --> 00:23:27,600
>> yeah, I just wanted

570
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,029
>> take your time

571
00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:34,960
and uh city of Newport. Um I wasn't

572
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,080
clear. We're not you know we we talk

573
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,760
about these things and then I I'm not

574
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,760
sure uh who's included in volunteer

575
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,520
firefighter.

576
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,080
um we have a fire chief and then I think

577
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:53,360
we have two people who are in positions

578
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:58,400
um of some salary uh under him and then

579
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,280
we have uh a series of volunteer

580
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,840
firefighters as well and I just wanted

581
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,520
to know who's included uh in this and

582
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,400
who's accepted in this

583
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,039
>> good question the only person who is

584
00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:15,520
receiving a salary other in the

585
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,600
volunteer stipen that's paid when

586
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,919
someone is on a call. There there are

587
00:24:19,919 --> 00:24:22,480
two people actually. One is the chief

588
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,240
and the other is the position we call

589
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,080
administrative firefighter which is a

590
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,360
full-time position.

591
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:30,559
>> So there are other leadership positions

592
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:33,520
that are are they appointed or elected?

593
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,039
Appointed by the chief or elected by the

594
00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:36,320
members?

595
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,159
>> Elected by the members to serve as

596
00:24:38,159 --> 00:24:40,720
assistant chief, captain. Help me with

597
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,000
the hierarchy and

598
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,559
>> uh and lieutenants. and lieutenants, but

599
00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:46,400
none of those are compensated positions

600
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,240
beyond the normal compensation one would

601
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,440
receive going on a call. Okay, that's a

602
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,559
great question. Thank you.

603
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:56,640
>> So, should we specify that in here?

604
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,400
>> That's what I was going to suggest. the

605
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,960
paid. So, so the chief and the

606
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,559
administrative,

607
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:06,400
the fire chief, any any paid

608
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,400
different than a volunteer firefighter

609
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,159
because

610
00:25:10,159 --> 00:25:12,159
there's only two positions that are that

611
00:25:12,159 --> 00:25:15,200
are considered paid, which is the the

612
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,440
chief and

613
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,000
the fire admin assistant.

614
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,200
Thank you, David. Do you have a

615
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:34,789
recommendation about that?

616
00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:38,070
Um,

617
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,480
wonder would you, Andrew, would you

618
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,760
classify volunteer firefighters as like

619
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,799
officers? Is that the right level? Or or

620
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:52,799
lieutenants? I I just don't I want I want to describe

621
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:55,120
everybody below the chief and uh the

622
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:57,279
administrative firefighter basically.

623
00:25:57,279 --> 00:25:59,919
>> So I would just I would specify chief

624
00:25:59,919 --> 00:26:01,919
and firefighter

625
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:06,000
uh admin assistant because they are paid

626
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,480
separately. anyone. I guess maybe you

627
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,360
could you could word it as paid more

628
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:17,919
than voluntarily or I I I don't know how you could

629
00:26:17,919 --> 00:26:18,880
>> Isn't there a section

630
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,120
>> except with the exception of

631
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:21,840
>> Yes, that's right.

632
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,360
>> If we're going to do that, then you've

633
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:25,039
got to put in the chief of police and

634
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:26,320
you've got to put in every other

635
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:26,960
employer.

636
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,240
>> You're absolutely right, Sher. That's

637
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,760
something to be careful of. Charlie, do

638
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:30,799
you want to speak to this? And if so,

639
00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:32,880
please use the mic.

640
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,120
Yeah, I mean I don't I didn't get right

641
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:40,880
to it, but I'm pretty sure there is in here um where the fire chief

642
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,360
and or department heads cannot be

643
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:48,640
on the city council. So that's already

644
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,600
covered. The fire chief because he's a

645
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,240
department head. U

646
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,200
so

647
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,240
that that's the only one.

648
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,080
So, so I don't I mean I don't really

649
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,840
know. I

650
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,880
>> So they're called firefighters, right?

651
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,679
>> Every everyone's a firefighter and then

652
00:27:09,679 --> 00:27:11,840
>> then you have officers.

653
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,360
>> But it's also true if I understand it

654
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:14,159
correctly that the

655
00:27:14,159 --> 00:27:16,159
>> but they're not they're not the charter.

656
00:27:16,159 --> 00:27:18,799
Maybe it's I was going to suggest maybe

657
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:21,039
we say instead of we say not shall not

658
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:25,440
be otherwise employed or u

659
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,760
be given a salary by the city or be paid

660
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,240
a salary by the city something like that

661
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,760
because that's the difference between

662
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,440
the administrative firefighter and a

663
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,919
volunteer. volunteer gets a stipen. Yes.

664
00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:37,360
But they don't have a salary.

665
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,360
>> Salary, right?

666
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:45,360
>> About with the exception of acting as a

667
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:48,400
non salary volunteer firefighter, the

668
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,950
mayor in the city.

669
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,159
» Yeah, that's fine with me.

670
00:27:54,159 --> 00:27:55,520
>> Actually, I think that's a simple fix.

671
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,039
We just add that word. with the

672
00:27:57,039 --> 00:27:59,120
exception of acting as a non-salaried

673
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:00,640
volunteer

674
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,720
firefighter. The mayor and council

675
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,480
members shall not be otherwise employed

676
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,120
by the city.

677
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:08,320
>> Council members, you ever thought about

678
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,590
that?

679
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:12,880
» Anybody else in the community want to

680
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,120
raise questions?

681
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:17,360
>> I just was looking up on the state

682
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:19,600
statutes. Not that I'm pretending to

683
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,000
know, but just using control F. And it

684
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,799
sounds like there's like written rules

685
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:28,640
on who the officers are and the firemen,

686
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,520
but instead of like relying on state

687
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,080
statute language, I think this is more

688
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,520
clear and straightforward. So,

689
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,520
>> okay. All right. So, I'm going to read

690
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,039
it one more time so we're clear about

691
00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:41,279
what we're voting on. Um, we haven't

692
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:43,679
taken a motion on this yet, have we? So,

693
00:28:43,679 --> 00:28:44,960
I'm going to read it and invite a

694
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,840
motion. So, um, with all of the

695
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,360
paragraph up until that last sentence,

696
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,360
as I read it earlier, then with the

697
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,200
additional sentence, with the exception

698
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,600
of acting as a non- salaried volunteer

699
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,600
firefighter, the mayor and council

700
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,440
members shall not be otherwise employed

701
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,799
by the city.

702
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:02,559
>> I have a motion.

703
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:03,440
>> I'll second

704
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,320
>> and a second.

705
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,679
>> I'll recuse myself.

706
00:29:05,679 --> 00:29:07,200
>> And Andrew is choosing to recuse

707
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,919
himself. Any other comments?

708
00:29:09,919 --> 00:29:11,039
>> Don't forget, we have a second

709
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:11,600
paragraph.

710
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:12,960
>> I'm I'm going to and I want to do these

711
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,000
one at a time because they're different

712
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,279
topics. Okay.

713
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:15,840
>> Okay.

714
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,760
>> All those in favor, please say I.

715
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,399
>> I. Oppose. Nay.

716
00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:22,399
>> Motion carries. And Jim, if you could

717
00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:24,480
please note the abstension on that vote

718
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,399
as well.

719
00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:28,480
Okay. Moving on to the second paragraph

720
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,880
under section seven. The proposal from

721
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,480
the task force reads, "The mayor and

722
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,240
council members shall receive

723
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,760
compensation as follows. Mayor $5,000,

724
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,399
president of the council $3,500, and

725
00:29:40,399 --> 00:29:43,440
each council member $3,000.

726
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,600
Beginning with the next fiscal year and

727
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,919
annually thereafter, these compensation

728
00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:49,520
amounts shall be adjusted by the

729
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,760
percentage change in the consumer price

730
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,000
index for all urban customers CPI-U

731
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,399
applicable to Vermont as measured as of

732
00:29:58,399 --> 00:30:00,640
January 1 of the budget year. Any

733
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,080
adjustment shall take effect at the

734
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,320
beginning of the following fiscal year.

735
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,760
Are there any questions about that

736
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,120
language? Council members,

737
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,360
>> I asked for specificity.

738
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,120
There there's our specificity.

739
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,200
>> Charter task force members, you all okay

740
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:15,679
with that?

741
00:30:15,679 --> 00:30:16,159
>> No.

742
00:30:16,159 --> 00:30:16,640
>> Okay.

743
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,399
>> I just want to thank Joe for helping me

744
00:30:18,399 --> 00:30:19,440
with that part.

745
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:20,480
>> Thank you, Joe.

746
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,080
>> Dave, you're okay with with the language

747
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,240
that's being proposed there?

748
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,720
>> Um, I'm fine. I I would suggest

749
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,799
replacing applicable to Vermont with

750
00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:30,960
Northeast because that's the actual

751
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,679
study region. It's the CPIU Northeast,

752
00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:36,000
but I'm fine with applicable to Vermont

753
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,960
as well in case they change the reasons.

754
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,159
>> Okay. Okay. So, we'll just leave it as

755
00:30:40,159 --> 00:30:42,240
is.

756
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,000
>> Okay. Council, uh, folks in the

757
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,600
community, any concerns or questions

758
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,799
you'd like to raise about this?

759
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:50,559
>> Hearing none, I'll I'll accept a motion

760
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:52,960
to change that paragraph as read.

761
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,120
>> I'll make that motion.

762
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:55,840
>> A second.

763
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,840
>> Have a motion and a second. All those in

764
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,200
favor, please say I.

765
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,880
>> I.

766
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,240
>> Oppos? Nay. Motion carries.

767
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,840
>> Great.

768
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,279
>> Done. And thank you to the task force

769
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:11,600
and to Sharon in particular for the way

770
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,039
you keep bringing us really clear

771
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:15,760
recommendations. This is very helpful.

772
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,600
Next section in the recommendations is

773
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,960
section nine. Uh mayoral approval and

774
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,799
council members reconsideration of

775
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:25,760
vetoed actions to read as follows. The

776
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,440
action of the council members shall

777
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,600
require the approval of the mayor except

778
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,919
as herein otherwise provided for the

779
00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:34,080
enacting of all ordinances and bylaws in

780
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,840
the awarding of any contracts, the

781
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,120
appointment of any officers or

782
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,960
committees, or the passing of any

783
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,080
resolution. If the mayor shall approve

784
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,760
any ordinance, bylaw, resolution,

785
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,240
appointment, or contract made or voted

786
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,320
by the city council,

787
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,399
the same shall be reduced to writing and

788
00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:53,200
the mayor shall sign the same. If the

789
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,200
mayor does not sign the saying, the

790
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,080
mayor shall return it with objections in

791
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,399
writing to the council members at the at

792
00:32:00,399 --> 00:32:02,640
their next regular meeting, provided the

793
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,399
mayor shall have not less than one week

794
00:32:04,399 --> 00:32:06,799
to consider such ordinance, bylaw,

795
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:08,960
resolution, appointment, or contract.

796
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,559
The council members shall then proceed

797
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:12,159
to consider such ordinance, bylaw,

798
00:32:12,159 --> 00:32:14,080
resolution, contract, or appointment.

799
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,320
And if upon such reconsideration,

800
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,080
three4s of the whole number of council

801
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,240
members shall vote in favor of the same,

802
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,159
it shall be valid and take effect.

803
00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:23,600
Notwithstanding the objection of the

804
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,159
mayor, if any such ordinance, bylaw,

805
00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:28,000
resolution, appointment, or contract

806
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,159
shall not be returned by the mayor to

807
00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:31,600
the council members at their next

808
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,840
regular meeting after the period of one

809
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,640
week has elapsed following receipt. It

810
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,720
shall be valid and take effect without

811
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,360
the mayor's approval. Are there any

812
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,600
questions about that language? It's all

813
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,440
designed I think I see Danny's handiwork

814
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,000
here. Um, it's all just been designed to

815
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,279
clean up inconsistent language.

816
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,519
>> And the big thing the council asked us

817
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:56,960
to do last time was to eliminate gender

818
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,120
of the he and the she's.

819
00:32:59,120 --> 00:32:59,440
>> Yes.

820
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,519
>> And that's what basically other than

821
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:06,000
changing alderman to council members,

822
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,919
getting rid of the he and she's this is

823
00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:10,559
the original section from the charter

824
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:13,279
that we are all living by now.

825
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:14,960
>> Well, I'll make a motion to approve this

826
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,799
section. I have a motion to approve.

827
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:17,519
>> I'll second.

828
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:21,919
>> And a second. Any other conversation?

829
00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:24,000
>> All those in favor, please say I.

830
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,440
>> I.

831
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,039
>> Sharon, you with us?

832
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:28,799
>> Oh, sorry. I

833
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:30,159
>> oppose. Nay.

834
00:33:30,159 --> 00:33:33,279
>> Motion carries. Thank you very much.

835
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:36,320
Section 10,

836
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,240
police services and fire protection

837
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,000
services.

838
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,200
I'll just go ahead and read it even

839
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,399
though there's no change to the first

840
00:33:42,399 --> 00:33:44,000
paragraph, just in addition of a second

841
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,000
paragraph. The city of Newport shall

842
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,519
provide for police services and law

843
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:49,840
enforcement coverage within the city.

844
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,760
Such services may be provided through a

845
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,840
city operated police department or

846
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,000
through a contract, intermunicipal

847
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,320
agreement or other lawful arrangement

848
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,080
with another qualified law enforcement

849
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,399
agency, including the Vermont State

850
00:34:02,399 --> 00:34:05,360
Police or a county sheriff's department.

851
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,840
All police officers shall be qualified

852
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,079
as per statute and shall have the

853
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:11,839
authority to serve anywhere within the

854
00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:13,359
state.

855
00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:15,200
And then this material I'm reading next

856
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,240
is is a potential addition. The city of

857
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:20,320
Newport shall also provide for fire

858
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,480
protection services within the city.

859
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,720
Such services may be provided through a

860
00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:26,960
city operated fire department or through

861
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,520
a contract intermunicipal agreement or

862
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,200
other lawful arrangement with another

863
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,560
qualified fire protection agency.

864
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,079
Uh why don't I just take a motion to put

865
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:37,440
that on the table?

866
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:38,079
>> So move.

867
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:39,119
>> Do I have a second? I'll

868
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:39,679
>> second.

869
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,040
>> Okay. Council members, do you have any

870
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,550
questions about this?

871
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,359
I can just add ahead. I can just add the

872
00:34:47,359 --> 00:34:49,359
reasoning behind this one was again as

873
00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:52,000
we were doing a final review last week,

874
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,679
>> we covered ourselves with the police

875
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,079
services, we struck through everything

876
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:58,880
about a fire department because of the

877
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,680
old oldfashioned language,

878
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,400
but we felt strongly that we need to

879
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,640
make sure that um we speak of a fire

880
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,720
protection so that we don't know what we

881
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:12,720
don't know. And if we need to contract

882
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:14,960
out some here, who knows? At least we're

883
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,560
covered.

884
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,640
>> Thank you, Sharon. Charter task force

885
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,880
members, anything to add?

886
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,480
>> Are there any questions or concerns from

887
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,040
folks in the community?

888
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,320
>> Hearing none, I have a motion and a

889
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,320
second. All those in favor of the

890
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,119
>> Oh, hold on, Rick.

891
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:30,240
>> Oh, I'm sorry, Dave. I should have come

892
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:31,359
to you.

893
00:35:31,359 --> 00:35:33,920
>> Um, I'd like to add subsections A and B

894
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,400
before each of the paragraphs.

895
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,119
Oh, just to make it an A and a B in

896
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:40,960
front of the city of Newport shall

897
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,280
provide for publicly services and B the

898
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,040
city of Newport shall provide for fire

899
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,640
protection services.

900
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,670
>> Correct.

901
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,359
» Uh amendment.

902
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:53,760
>> Maker and and seconder. We're okay with

903
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:54,160
that?

904
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,040
>> Yes.

905
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,880
>> Okay. Everybody's okay with that change.

906
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,160
Thank you, Dave.

907
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,400
>> All those in favor of the changes as

908
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,240
proposed with this slight amendment from

909
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:04,079
Dave Rue, please say I.

910
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:07,200
>> I. Any opposed? Any opposed? Nay. That

911
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,280
motion carries.

912
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,870
>> Okay. Moving on to city expenditures.

913
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,520
» Except as herein otherwise provided, no

914
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:18,880
money shall be paid out of the city

915
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,880
treasury except upon warrant signed by

916
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,480
the mayor and approved by council

917
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,160
members, such approval to be

918
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,520
authenticated by the city clerk.

919
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,000
When bills or other obligations are due

920
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,160
prior to the next regularly scheduled

921
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,400
meeting of the council and waiting until

922
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,160
such a meeting would result in a missed

923
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,560
payment due date, the council may review

924
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,800
and approve the applicable warrants

925
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,760
electronically. Electronic approval

926
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,440
shall require the affirmative approval

927
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,359
of at least three council members and

928
00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:49,440
shall be ratified at the next regularly

929
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,680
scheduled council meeting. Then it goes

930
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,359
on with the original language. A full

931
00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:55,520
record of all expenditures shall be kept

932
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,119
and a clear statement of all receipts

933
00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:59,440
and dispersements of city monies and of

934
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,440
the affairs of the city generally shall

935
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,800
be annually published under the

936
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,800
direction of the city council at least

937
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,320
two weeks before the annual city

938
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,960
election. No city official shall be

939
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,680
directly or indirectly interested in any

940
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,119
contract with the city.

941
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:16,560
Let's just do comments and questions

942
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,839
before we put it on the table and have

943
00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:20,000
to change it around. Anything council

944
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:26,230
members want to ask or add about this?

945
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:28,640
» This basically just formalizes the

946
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,079
practice of trying to look at the

947
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:31,839
warrants ahead of time, approve them

948
00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:32,960
ahead of time.

949
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,599
>> Yes. And it creates a way to do so in

950
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:40,480
between council meetings that is less

951
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,560
burdensome for the council members.

952
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,359
>> Charter task force members. I'll just

953
00:37:47,359 --> 00:37:49,440
because I pretty much drafted this I

954
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,200
think. So, um yeah, so the last meeting

955
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,200
we we were we were talking about it and

956
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,680
it came up again at the beginning of

957
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,720
this about warrants and not being able

958
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:02,400
to pay them. And I mean I think the

959
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,720
problem last meeting was why don't we

960
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:07,680
get into the 21st century and use what's

961
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,200
available to us. I did look up what some

962
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,520
of this I didn't just make take this out

963
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,320
of the sky. I wish I was that smart, but

964
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,240
So, but there are other communities that

965
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,960
have incorporated electronic

966
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,520
signatures to do so. So, it still holds

967
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,839
everybody accountable. It just gives you

968
00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:27,760
the ability to pay bills as long as

969
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,320
everybody is aware of it up front and

970
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,160
pay for it. You still have to ratify the

971
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,599
next week.

972
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:35,520
>> Thank you.

973
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,440
That's true.

974
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,240
>> Any questions, council members, folks in

975
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:41,680
the community?

976
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,000
>> Go ahead, Sharon. Just just to add to

977
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,280
our to um it kind of goes with what Lori

978
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,680
was saying. This also prevents us from

979
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,760
having late fees.

980
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,680
>> Great.

981
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,280
>> Okay. Jennifer,

982
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,240
>> want me to introduce myself again?

983
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:01,760
>> For the record, Jennifer, who are you?

984
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,280
>> Jennifer,

985
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,440
>> city council city.

986
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,880
>> Uh well, no, you've got one

987
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,880
capitalization there. There's three

988
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,760
council members on M. But the more

989
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,440
important is the last line which is uh

990
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,000
no city official shall directly or

991
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,960
indirectly be uh interested in any

992
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,839
contract. The question is what is a city

993
00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:27,760
official and also is this is sort of the

994
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,839
mushy language

995
00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:32,400
and so I think you have to define city

996
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,040
official which is not defined in there

997
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,240
and somebody like a lawyer could work on

998
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:40,240
mushy language. I think that's the old

999
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:40,880
charter.

1000
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:41,599
>> It is the old chart.

1001
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:42,880
>> It is the old charter. You're asking us

1002
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:43,920
to try and clean it up.

1003
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,280
>> Yeah, that's what you did with the rest

1004
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,240
of the charter and I thought

1005
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:48,880
>> Yeah.

1006
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,640
>> Drew, do you have a recommendation about

1007
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,320
how we could how we could clean that up

1008
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,760
a little bit and make it clear the

1009
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,280
elected city official?

1010
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,480
>> I would actually recommend that you

1011
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,160
should delete that sentence because the

1012
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,400
municipal code of ethics already covers

1013
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,960
situations like that and it defines

1014
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:12,390
who's subject to it as well.

1015
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,560
So, we have a recommendation. Go ahead,

1016
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:15,599
Sharon.

1017
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:19,520
>> No, I just I missed that. Delete which

1018
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:20,880
sentence, Dave.

1019
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,200
>> Um, the last sentence that Jennifer has

1020
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,720
an issue with, which says no city

1021
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:27,359
official shall be directly or indirectly

1022
00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:29,280
interested in any contract with the

1023
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:30,079
city.

1024
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:31,440
>> Okay.

1025
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,240
The municipal code of ethics prohibits

1026
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:38,320
uh any official as defined by statute

1027
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,400
from

1028
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,119
having a culminary game as a result of

1029
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:46,079
their position at in the city.

1030
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,000
>> And I'm guessing so when that was put in

1031
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,880
back in 1918, it was probably a big deal

1032
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:51,119
and

1033
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:52,800
>> and there were no conflict of interest

1034
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,800
policies or anything else around at that

1035
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:55,280
time.

1036
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,200
>> Yeah.

1037
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,640
Well, yeah. I mean, most of what was in

1038
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,480
the original charter went in because

1039
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,800
there were no other rules or

1040
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,800
regulations. That's why the city did

1041
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,240
everything from regulate slaughter

1042
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:09,359
houses to to this or whatever. There

1043
00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:12,160
simply was no other regulation.

1044
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,920
>> Okay. So, we have a proposal that we

1045
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,319
have not yet put on the table to strike

1046
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:18,480
the last sentence in this section. Are

1047
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:19,920
there any comments from charter task

1048
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:20,960
force members?

1049
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,480
>> Yeah, I'll just give you another option.

1050
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,760
You could put no elected city official

1051
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,640
and keep and keep it in. I mean, I I'm I

1052
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,960
don't die on this hill either way, but

1053
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,640
you want to keep the old language of the

1054
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,280
charter in there as much, then just add

1055
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,960
that.

1056
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,800
>> I I was just going to say I appreciate

1057
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,359
you elevating this issue because I I

1058
00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:43,200
don't know how to describe indirectly

1059
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:49,760
interested. Like I don't know what to do with that. So, I

1060
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,960
would propose to strike the sentence and

1061
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,240
I don't know if anybody else wants to

1062
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:55,280
join me on that motion.

1063
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:55,599
>> Second.

1064
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:56,319
>> I'll second.

1065
00:41:56,319 --> 00:41:56,640
>> All right.

1066
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,640
>> Okay. We have have a renegade motion and

1067
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,880
a second on the table.

1068
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,160
>> Are there any other comments or

1069
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,680
questions from the community?

1070
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,760
>> Okay. I have a motion and a second to

1071
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,920
strike the sentence upon advice of our

1072
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,079
city attorneys. The sentence being no

1073
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:13,359
city official shall be directly or

1074
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:14,640
indirectly interested in any contract

1075
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,240
with the city. All those in favor,

1076
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:18,400
please say I. I

1077
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:18,960
>> I

1078
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,720
>> oppose. Nay.

1079
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:22,000
>> That motion carries.

1080
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,839
>> And if it's appropriate, I'll make a

1081
00:42:23,839 --> 00:42:26,240
motion to approve article 18 as

1082
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:28,319
presented here with the change we just

1083
00:42:28,319 --> 00:42:29,040
made.

1084
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,000
>> Okay. So, we have a motion and we have a

1085
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:32,720
second.

1086
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:34,400
>> If you want to

1087
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,599
>> I'll capitalize

1088
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:38,880
that separately.

1089
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,400
>> Which the can

1090
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,520
>> which M was that?

1091
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,359
>> The um

1092
00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:46,400
>> the last sentence of Oh, wait.

1093
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,200
Next,

1094
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,520
>> three council members have bold.

1095
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:50,240
>> Yeah.

1096
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:52,400
>> Okay. Let's just call that a friendly.

1097
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,079
>> Okay. Just making sure it's on the

1098
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:54,880
>> Okay.

1099
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,200
>> So, do I have a second, Carter?

1100
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:57,680
>> Yes.

1101
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,880
>> All right. I have a a motion and a

1102
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,880
second to approve this section as

1103
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,040
presented with two changes. One is the

1104
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,000
capitalization of the M in bold in next

1105
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,319
to last line of the bold text where it

1106
00:43:10,319 --> 00:43:12,560
says three council members. And the

1107
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,839
second is to delete the last line of the

1108
00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:18,240
section. Are there any questions or

1109
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:21,270
concerns?

1110
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,359
Members of the community

1111
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:24,720
hearing? None. All those in favor,

1112
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:25,680
please say I.

1113
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,760
>> I. Oppose. Nay.

1114
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,000
>> That motion carries.

1115
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,599
>> Okay. Before we start on section 20, I'm

1116
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:35,760
going to ask

1117
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,599
Sharon or Charlie or somebody from the

1118
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:40,880
task force to uh give us a quick summary

1119
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,640
of a three and a half hour long meeting

1120
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,400
that took place on Tuesday that

1121
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,400
eventually ended us up back back where

1122
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,640
we began. So, somebody want to speak to

1123
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,079
this and give a little context for us?

1124
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:55,200
>> Well, I can start, Charlie, then you

1125
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,599
open.

1126
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:01,760
I just want to remind the council

1127
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,200
and the public that none of the words in

1128
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,079
front of you went onto the this paper

1129
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:09,760
lightly.

1130
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,880
Section 20 when we first looked at it in

1131
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,319
August dur end of July of August we

1132
00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:20,319
spent a total of four straight hours on

1133
00:44:20,319 --> 00:44:23,599
just that one section.

1134
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:27,280
Last week we spent another hour and a

1135
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,599
half or two hours on just that section.

1136
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:34,560
We had some great conversation. We had

1137
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,680
some debating. We had some having we

1138
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,400
were it was very respectful.

1139
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,720
I will say that

1140
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:44,880
um I want to say that we did our

1141
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,920
absolute best even if we didn't always

1142
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,000
agree

1143
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,280
to try to represent the city of Newport

1144
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,000
and the voters of Newport

1145
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,720
remembering that all of us are taxpayers

1146
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,920
and voters of Newport as well. So when

1147
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,640
we look at 20 again,

1148
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,680
um I just want everybody to know that

1149
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,200
this was not done lightly. It was done

1150
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,200
with a lot of thought and a lot of what

1151
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,119
do the people of Newport wish for?

1152
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:23,520
What do we as taxpayers hope for?

1153
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,309
What do we all want to live with?

1154
00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:30,720
» And I think I'll stop there. Thank you,

1155
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:32,400
Shirley.

1156
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:33,680
>> Charlie.

1157
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,160
>> Yeah. Yeah, this is this one was a lot

1158
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,920
of fun.

1159
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,400
>> No,

1160
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,400
>> fun isn't the word I do. So,

1161
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,359
>> I think I think in the end, we just

1162
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:50,400
decided that um

1163
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:51,920
you know, we have a we have a pretty

1164
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,920
poor history here of of

1165
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,560
overspending.

1166
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,560
um putting us in debt and it's a pretty

1167
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,480
recent history of trying to decide how

1168
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,880
to deal with it. And I uh I firmly

1169
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,680
believe that some of the reason the

1170
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,599
original

1171
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:15,680
proposal went down was because it

1172
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:20,470
allowed too much

1173
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,920
trust in who we elected.

1174
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,200
um after just going through

1175
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,720
years of giving us reasons not to trust

1176
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:34,000
them. So um we also took into

1177
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,240
consideration what about an emergency

1178
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:38,720
situation? So we had changed things and

1179
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:41,359
we've gone back and forth. So there is a

1180
00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:44,400
clause in here that does allow for

1181
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,960
emergency situations for the council to

1182
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,640
go out.

1183
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:53,680
So, um, and hazard situations and there

1184
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:58,079
are other options in here, but in the

1185
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,880
end, we just all got back to, you know

1186
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,200
what, everybody's going to stay within

1187
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,160
our budget. Cities should stay within

1188
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,079
theirs. If they know ahead of time that

1189
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:12,720
they've had a $40,000 increase, which is

1190
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:14,800
one of the things I brought up in an

1191
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,240
insurance premium that they didn't

1192
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:18,079
anticipate when they did the budget.

1193
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:19,280
Well, then they know they're going to

1194
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,119
have to hold the meeting down the road.

1195
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:23,359
So, just don't let yourself get into the

1196
00:47:23,359 --> 00:47:26,640
position where you spend all the money

1197
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,960
or the anticipated money before you deal

1198
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,359
with the problem that's there. So, we're

1199
00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:34,640
hoping you have the foresight to

1200
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,520
see the problems coming

1201
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,839
and if they're reasonable

1202
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:41,280
and there's something that the city

1203
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,800
really needs, I think the voters will

1204
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,160
approve it. And I So, we ended up going

1205
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,640
back to our original

1206
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,200
um

1207
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,200
language

1208
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,599
>> and I and I think um you know I don't

1209
00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:58,640
think it's going to be all that

1210
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,240
cumbersome. I dealt with it for four

1211
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:04,240
years. Um when you have a problem, you

1212
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:06,880
should know about it. I can't imagine a

1213
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,480
situation that's going to come up

1214
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,280
that you're not going to have time to to

1215
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,040
hold a meeting um when you have other

1216
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,560
options. I mean, you do have fund

1217
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,760
balances. One of the things it does do,

1218
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,599
if you go down a little further in

1219
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:26,160
there, it does require you to address

1220
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,920
this down the road. So we can't have

1221
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,119
debt rolled over year after year after

1222
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:35,920
year and then all of a sudden compiled

1223
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,720
into one big million dollar bill. So So

1224
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:41,599
that's why we did it and I think that's

1225
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:43,200
probably

1226
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,559
the number one important reason

1227
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:49,839
um that citizens didn't vote for the

1228
00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:52,559
last one. So

1229
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:54,720
I suggest that you change this at your

1230
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:58,079
peril. I guess that's my

1231
00:48:58,079 --> 00:48:59,440
Thank you, Charlie. Yeah.

1232
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,440
>> So, what I'm going to recommend is that

1233
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,520
I'd like to read the language as it's

1234
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,559
proposed and then I know that our city

1235
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:09,839
attorney has at least one or two

1236
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:12,240
comments that he would like to make and

1237
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:14,240
then we'll have the council respond to

1238
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:16,319
those comments and kind of put ourselves

1239
00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:17,599
on record about where we are and then

1240
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:19,119
we'll see if there are any other folks

1241
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:20,400
in the community who would like to speak

1242
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,720
following that. Okay.

1243
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:25,119
So here's how the charter task force

1244
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:27,920
would like us to manage the new section

1245
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,480
20 revenue credits credit and

1246
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,880
appropriations current revenues of the

1247
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,960
city shall consist of money raised by

1248
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,319
taxation fines and other lawful sources.

1249
00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:39,920
These revenues shall constitute the

1250
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,599
amount from which appropriations and

1251
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:44,319
payments are to be made according to law

1252
00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:45,839
by or under the authority of the city

1253
00:49:45,839 --> 00:49:48,559
council. All appropriations for specific

1254
00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:51,359
purposes made at any annual or special

1255
00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:53,440
meeting in the city shall unless

1256
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,000
otherwise directed by the voters be paid

1257
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,079
out of current revenues for that year

1258
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:00,000
and shall be deemed as expenditures by

1259
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,640
the city council. The city council shall

1260
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,640
not exceed in expenditures the

1261
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,280
anticipated revenues of the city during

1262
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,760
the fiscal year. The city council

1263
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,520
without special direction of the voters

1264
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,079
of the city shall not draw, sign, or

1265
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:16,400
approve warrants to pay expenditures or

1266
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,280
appropriations in excess of anticipated

1267
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,000
revenues. If the anticipated revenues of

1268
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,000
the city have been expended before the

1269
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,319
end of the fiscal year and necessary or

1270
00:50:26,319 --> 00:50:28,640
desirable expenditures need to be met,

1271
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,319
additional expenditures shall not take

1272
00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:32,720
effect unless approved by a majority

1273
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:35,440
vote at a duly warned special meeting.

1274
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,520
At least seven days prior to that to the

1275
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,520
special meeting, the city council shall

1276
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,680
hold at least one publicly warned

1277
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,760
informational meeting to present the

1278
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,839
proposed expenditure, explain the

1279
00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:48,079
reasons for the deficit, and provide an

1280
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:49,760
opportunity for public questions and

1281
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,160
comment. The city council may authorize

1282
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,000
and incur short-term indebtedness

1283
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,160
without voter approval when such

1284
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,119
indebtedness is incurred in anticipation

1285
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:02,000
of the receipt of taxes and is fully

1286
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,240
repaid within the same fiscal year in

1287
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:07,520
which it is issued. A no long-term

1288
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,760
indebtedness or other obligation

1289
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,240
extending beyond the fiscal year shall

1290
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:14,559
be incurred unless first approved by a

1291
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:16,559
majority of the legal voters voting

1292
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:18,640
thereon at a duly warned meeting or

1293
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,240
election. B. Not sub not notwithstanding

1294
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:24,880
subsection A of this section. In the

1295
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,920
case of all hazard events as defined by

1296
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,160
state statute, the city council may

1297
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,400
borrow for up to 5 years of debt service

1298
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,960
to fund emergency infrastructure or

1299
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,200
service restoration.

1300
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,839
C. The total indebtedness of the city

1301
00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:42,480
shall not exceed 10% of the total

1302
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:47,119
assessed value of the city's grand list.

1303
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:49,920
So, I'm gonna turn to you, Dave. I know

1304
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,440
you've got at least one or two comments

1305
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,119
you'd like to make about this for the

1306
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:56,319
council's consideration.

1307
00:51:56,319 --> 00:51:58,640
>> Yes. Thanks, Rick. I have three

1308
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,280
comments. The first two are are pretty

1309
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,880
straightforward. Um, for the easiest

1310
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,839
first in subsection A, I don't think we

1311
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:10,960
need to say or election. anytime there's

1312
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,400
a a special meeting uh to elect city

1313
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,760
officers, it's a special meeting. U you

1314
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,160
don't need to have election in there. Um

1315
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,680
second,

1316
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:26,640
uh I think that throughout subsection,

1317
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,240
the the first section, the first

1318
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:29,920
paragraph,

1319
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,920
uh we should be using anticipated

1320
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,040
revenues of the city and not current

1321
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:39,040
revenues. It's not a deficit spend

1322
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,000
unless you're exceeding anticipated

1323
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,119
revenues throughout the fiscal year. Um,

1324
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:47,040
you know, you could in theory exceed

1325
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,440
current revenues all the time, but when

1326
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,480
you get t the tax installments come in,

1327
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,559
uh, you will you will not have been

1328
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:56,559
accused of deficit spending and you will

1329
00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:58,880
not have been deficit spending. So I

1330
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,720
think the appropriate word which is I

1331
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,800
think a change to the current charter is

1332
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,800
to talk about anticipated revenues

1333
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,559
instead of current. Um the last one

1334
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:10,400
which is bigger and I know I've raised

1335
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:15,200
it before um is our our legal advice

1336
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,440
that this short-term indebtedness should

1337
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,640
have a term of no longer than one year

1338
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,480
consistent with uh existing state law

1339
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,839
for short-term indebtedness. Um, if you

1340
00:53:27,839 --> 00:53:30,000
take a note out and it has to be paid

1341
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,680
back in the current fiscal year, how are

1342
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,680
you going to do that? If you paid if you

1343
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,520
take the note out in May, you're not

1344
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,040
going to be able to have a short a

1345
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,319
special meeting in time to pay off the

1346
00:53:40,319 --> 00:53:42,079
debt before the end of the fiscal year

1347
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:43,920
with voter approval. It's just not

1348
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,359
practical. So, u current expense notes

1349
00:53:47,359 --> 00:53:50,160
have terms of one year or less and they

1350
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,160
are authorized by general law and I

1351
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,640
think the city uh would be well advised

1352
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,800
to to follow that instead of having

1353
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,280
terms that end in the current fiscal

1354
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,760
year. I understand this has been debated

1355
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,160
at at nauseium and you all have heard me

1356
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:05,839
before on this so I'm not going to keep

1357
00:54:05,839 --> 00:54:07,200
going.

1358
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:08,800
>> Thank you Dave. So, I think what I'd

1359
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,119
like to do is take the first two one at

1360
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:13,359
a time because I think they're fairly

1361
00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:15,200
straightforward and then come back to

1362
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,520
the third one which I think is has we'll

1363
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,240
will invite more comment. So, the first

1364
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:22,880
one is just Dave's recommendation that

1365
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,040
we remove in in subsection A remove the

1366
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,880
words or election at the end of that

1367
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,960
sentence. Council members, do you have

1368
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,720
any questions about that?

1369
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:34,160
>> I'll make that a motion.

1370
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:34,720
>> I'll second.

1371
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:37,440
>> I have a motion and a second. Charter

1372
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:38,960
Task Force members, y'all okay with that

1373
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,200
change? Is there anybody in the

1374
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,200
community? Go ahead, Jennifer. Come on

1375
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:48,790
up.

1376
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,880
Jennifer Hopkins, I would wonder whether

1377
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,599
you want to say city meeting in that

1378
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:56,640
subsection A and the same thing of add

1379
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,280
city into the other section. It's a

1380
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:00,960
special meeting. You're going to have

1381
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,400
special meetings of the city council

1382
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,640
and it would be duly warned. But the

1383
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,720
question is you're talking about a

1384
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:11,760
special city meeting. So I think you

1385
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,079
should add city in three places in

1386
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:17,200
there. Section A in two sections in the

1387
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,480
um beginning paragraph.

1388
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,960
Don't go away yet.

1389
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,400
So I'm responding just to a it seems to

1390
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,359
me that it's redundant because we're

1391
00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:30,640
talking about a majority of people

1392
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,400
voters, right?

1393
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:32,720
>> Yeah.

1394
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:34,319
>> So in that one, why do we need the word

1395
00:55:34,319 --> 00:55:36,000
city? It's obvious that it's a

1396
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,760
>> it only just occurred to me, so I didn't

1397
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:38,640
really review it.

1398
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,480
>> Okay. The other ones you really

1399
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,559
>> can you point those out specifically?

1400
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:45,359
>> Um Oh, holy hell. I don't have all of

1401
00:55:45,359 --> 00:55:47,599
it. Charlie, do you have all of it?

1402
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:50,480
>> Okay. Um

1403
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,559
>> first ones are the fourth line

1404
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:57,440
>> for specific purposes made at any

1405
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,240
>> or a special

1406
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:04,549
>> city meeting

1407
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:06,160
in the city.

1408
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,000
>> I don't think that we need to make this

1409
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:08,880
change.

1410
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,359
>> You want to speak to that Dave? What are you thinking?

1411
00:56:11,359 --> 00:56:15,520
>> I just but I mean it the sentence

1412
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,280
talks Oh, sorry. I may be I'm on the

1413
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,119
second one. My bad. Let me look at the

1414
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:20,400
first one.

1415
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,960
>> The The first one's further down that I

1416
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,359
caught, so that might not be the right

1417
00:56:25,359 --> 00:56:29,359
one. Um, it's one, two, three, four,

1418
00:56:29,359 --> 00:56:32,880
five, six lines up from the bottom

1419
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,680
of the paragraph.

1420
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,839
Additional expenditures shall not take

1421
00:56:37,839 --> 00:56:40,799
effect unless approved by the majority

1422
00:56:40,799 --> 00:56:43,280
uh vote at a duly warned special

1423
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:47,760
meeting. That does not save city voters.

1424
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,440
And there's one more.

1425
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:50,799
>> I see where you are.

1426
00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:54,160
>> Yeah. And then at least seven days prior

1427
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:58,079
is the next line. Uh one publicly warned

1428
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:00,079
informationational meeting. I apologize.

1429
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:01,359
I don't mind here.

1430
00:57:01,359 --> 00:57:05,589
>> That's right.

1431
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:07,440
» Dave, do you see where Jennifer is?

1432
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:08,799
>> City information.

1433
00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:10,559
>> No, I'm lost, but that's okay.

1434
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:12,559
>> Well, no, let's let's get it right. So,

1435
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:13,920
>> I see where she is.

1436
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,400
>> Okay. So if you see the sentence in the

1437
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,160
middle of that paragraph that begins if

1438
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,960
the anticipated revenues of the city

1439
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:22,640
right

1440
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,480
have been okay have been expended before

1441
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,960
the end of the fiscal year and necessary

1442
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,720
or desirable expenditures need to be

1443
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,880
met. Additional expenditures shall not

1444
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,799
take effect unless approved by a

1445
00:57:32,799 --> 00:57:35,440
majority vote at a duly warned special

1446
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,160
and Jennifer would add city meeting.

1447
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:38,799
>> Correct?

1448
00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:40,799
>> Yeah. And then the next line, at least

1449
00:57:40,799 --> 00:57:43,680
seven days prior to the special city

1450
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,240
meeting.

1451
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,640
>> Yeah.

1452
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,160
I'm fine with that because it

1453
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,079
doesn't say a majority vote of the legal

1454
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:52,640
voters.

1455
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:53,760
>> Yeah.

1456
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:54,240
>> Okay.

1457
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,400
>> So I I want to

1458
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,040
>> Charlie go to the mic, please.

1459
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,160
I want to suggest rewarding

1460
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,280
um that line that we're talking about

1461
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,400
that starts with if the anticipated

1462
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,710
revenue of the city.

1463
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,760
So, I would like it to read, and I'll

1464
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,440
try to explain why, that if the city

1465
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:23,280
council realizes the current revenues

1466
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,920
will be expended before the end of the

1467
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,520
fiscal year and anticipated revenues

1468
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,000
will not cover

1469
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,480
necessary or desirable expenses to the

1470
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,640
end of the fiscal year, additional

1471
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,119
expenditures shall not take effect

1472
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:41,280
unless approved by a majority vote at a

1473
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,960
duly warned special city

1474
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:50,230
and I'll I'll tell you why. Um

1475
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,000
it kind of goes with what I was saying

1476
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:57,839
earlier. So if you if you realize so the first one I think if you still had

1477
00:58:57,839 --> 00:59:01,280
current in there and Dave might have

1478
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,240
mentioned by leaving anticipation if you

1479
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,160
had current revenues of the city during

1480
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:10,559
the fiscal year you couldn't go to vote

1481
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:13,200
until you've expended it which would be

1482
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:18,240
a problem. So, um, what my wording does

1483
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,400
is it says if you realize the current

1484
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,040
expenditure will be expended

1485
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,880
>> before the end of the fiscal year, um,

1486
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:37,040
instead of being they are

1487
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,319
>> I hear I hear your concern.

1488
00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:40,960
>> It's similar, but it's just that way it

1489
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,119
gives you, you know, it's going to

1490
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:46,480
happen. You don't have to wait until

1491
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:47,920
you know everything's going to be

1492
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,599
expended. You know the revenues are

1493
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:53,040
there. That's just a thought. Uh thought

1494
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,079
that would clear up

1495
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:58,079
any ambiguity on it.

1496
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:07,430
>> Council, you have a a response to that.

1497
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,520
» I have feelings about this paragraph in

1498
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,799
general. Um, but and I appreciate that

1499
01:00:12,799 --> 01:00:16,400
rewarding because I think it tries to

1500
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,400
enable the council to act a little bit

1501
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:23,119
sooner. Um, but could it also

1502
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:28,480
then prevent a reason for them to act? Like like I

1503
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,960
just think about like five years ago if

1504
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,119
you were to ask council are we running

1505
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:35,040
into a deficit? Are we in debt? They

1506
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,079
would have said no. And I so I think

1507
01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:40,240
that kind of shrouds and protects them

1508
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,079
from acting on it. Um but I at the same

1509
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:46,720
time the current language doesn't set us

1510
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:51,680
up for success either to prevent and I

1511
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,880
and yeah that what

1512
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,000
David just brought up about the end

1513
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,079
taking out a

1514
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:02,480
>> the

1515
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:03,839
doesn't make a difference whether you

1516
01:01:03,839 --> 01:01:08,559
use anticipated or current. Right.

1517
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:10,240
>> John,

1518
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,640
>> well, I agree with David in terms of

1519
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,799
using anticipated

1520
01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:18,319
um including the second word of the

1521
01:01:18,319 --> 01:01:22,559
paragraph, um where it says current.

1522
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:24,640
Um but I don't think the current

1523
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,760
language would preclude the council from

1524
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,799
acting before the anticipated revenues

1525
01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:32,319
are expended. There's absolutely nothing

1526
01:01:32,319 --> 01:01:34,480
to stop the council from being proactive

1527
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,400
and getting on it, which is what the

1528
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,000
point of your language is anyway.

1529
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,760
>> Okay. I was just trying to make it real.

1530
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:42,720
>> I'm okay with it.

1531
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,160
>> Yeah. No, there's there's nothing here

1532
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:45,920
that prevents the council in any way

1533
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,440
from staying on top of the situation.

1534
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,520
>> And you have something you want to add?

1535
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:55,270
>> Yeah. Um

1536
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,799
the original charter used um a lot of

1537
01:01:58,799 --> 01:02:01,040
this language and it always addressed it

1538
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,920
as current revenue. And when we talk

1539
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,799
about the current revenue at the top

1540
01:02:06,799 --> 01:02:10,079
consisting of taxation fines and other

1541
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:12,960
lawful sources,

1542
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,760
one of the lawful sources that you can

1543
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:22,000
have is um a line of credit or a loan

1544
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,880
that would uh put money in the bank. And

1545
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,079
my concern about not using current

1546
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:31,680
revenues is

1547
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,680
at the beginning

1548
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,040
uh of a year you may have no money in

1549
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,599
the bank. You used it up in the last

1550
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:42,880
year. You're starting fresh. Uh and

1551
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,680
you're not going to get money until um

1552
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,160
now the end of the first quarter which

1553
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,960
is September 15th I believe. Was it

1554
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:51,520
tomorrow?

1555
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:52,079
>> Pardon?

1556
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:52,720
>> Tomorrow.

1557
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:57,040
Okay. So there's a big July,

1558
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,960
August, and the first half of September

1559
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,640
that you are writing money and if you

1560
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,440
just think of it as writing it on

1561
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,200
anticipated

1562
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,599
um money that's coming in, you don't

1563
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:14,400
have anything in the bank. So the way

1564
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,599
you have current revenues for that first

1565
01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:21,359
period um assuming you had none of any

1566
01:03:21,359 --> 01:03:24,400
kind would be to have a line of credit

1567
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,839
um or you started a lo a loan that was

1568
01:03:27,839 --> 01:03:30,880
going to be paid back in anticipation of

1569
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,039
the taxes you're going to receive so

1570
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:35,760
that there's money in the bank for for

1571
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,880
you to make payments pay your debt for

1572
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,119
those first two and a half months.

1573
01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:44,720
Otherwise you have nothing.

1574
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,760
So uh you know if you started with a new

1575
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,280
city that would be what would be

1576
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,680
happening. You have no money until you

1577
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,400
take that line of credit or that loan to

1578
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,599
get you until so current revenues is

1579
01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:00,400
what you have. And so when that word

1580
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,760
gets used at the beginning and then uh

1581
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:08,880
that you're not allowed to um exceed

1582
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,559
expenditures.

1583
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:12,400
Uh the city shall not exceed in

1584
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,119
expenditures the current revenues. The

1585
01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:18,799
current revenues include that loan that

1586
01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:22,799
carries you um when you need it. The

1587
01:04:22,799 --> 01:04:24,640
only thing is that line of credit or if

1588
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,880
you took it as a loan has to be paid

1589
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,960
back at the end of the year. That's why

1590
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:34,000
I believe the original um charter um use

1591
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,559
current current and that's why you

1592
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:40,160
should use current. You can't you can't

1593
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,160
uh pay people money when there's no

1594
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,000
money in the bank um because you haven't

1595
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,119
put it there.

1596
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:52,000
You've got to you've got to have current

1597
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,480
revenues including that money that helps

1598
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,280
you get through the year.

1599
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,480
So it was there originally. I suggest it

1600
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,400
go back. I don't know who wanted it

1601
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,960
changed to anticipated,

1602
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,760
>> but don't be paying. You can't pay

1603
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:09,039
anticipation. Wrap it up. We got your

1604
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:09,359
report.

1605
01:05:09,359 --> 01:05:10,960
>> Yeah, that that's that's the point of

1606
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,720
that one. And I I uh agree that uh

1607
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:18,400
letting it be uh what the council uh

1608
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,720
finally really reasonably believes is

1609
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,839
going to make the council not want to

1610
01:05:23,839 --> 01:05:28,480
know or the council uh act sort of um

1611
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,760
try not to know where they are in the in

1612
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,760
the matter and they should know and

1613
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,440
somebody comes in and tells us, Chip

1614
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,920
comes in and tells us quite often and

1615
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:42,480
then um the council can can on a a

1616
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,839
minute where we are in in the situation.

1617
01:05:45,839 --> 01:05:48,079
So I don't think we have to wait for

1618
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:50,640
anything reasonable to occur. And

1619
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:55,280
finally with respect to that last thing

1620
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,640
anticipated is so important. You expect

1621
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,559
these loans that you take are

1622
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:02,400
anticipation

1623
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,039
of the monies you're going to receive

1624
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:07,200
and you know that throughout the year.

1625
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,799
and to take a one-year loan in May to

1626
01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:13,119
cover yourselves the end of the fiscal

1627
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:16,000
year to cover yourselves. What What

1628
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,799
anticipated money do you have?

1629
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:20,480
>> Okay, we're not we're not there yet.

1630
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:21,039
>> Okay,

1631
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:22,640
>> I hear your point. We're not there yet.

1632
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:22,960
Okay,

1633
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,200
>> I'm trying to keep it tight and go point

1634
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:26,559
by point here trying to get through

1635
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:27,520
this. Okay,

1636
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:31,039
>> I'll just say on a personal level, I

1637
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:32,319
think the language between the

1638
01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:33,680
difference between anticipated and

1639
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,680
current is in fact confusing language.

1640
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:37,440
It's hard to know what anybody means by

1641
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,000
either one of those words. I read the

1642
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,400
word current revenue to mean if I don't

1643
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,039
have money that has come in right now, I

1644
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:47,920
can't spend it. I can't I can't go spend

1645
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,720
it. For me, the word anticipated

1646
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:51,920
actually is exactly what you're

1647
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,640
describing. If I'm anticipating that we

1648
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,720
are going to collect enough taxes to be

1649
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,680
able to pay these bills, then I can go

1650
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:01,280
ahead and pay the bills even if I have

1651
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,039
to take a short-term note to the end of

1652
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:04,799
the year to do so. I think I think

1653
01:07:04,799 --> 01:07:06,160
you're actually making my case, but

1654
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:07,839
you're doing it for the opposite word,

1655
01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:09,920
which is a little bit confusing to me.

1656
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:11,680
But for me, the word anticipated is

1657
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,480
actually far more clear because what it

1658
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:17,359
says is we know we can reasonably expect

1659
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:18,960
that the city is going to collect this

1660
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:20,799
amount of taxes between now and the end

1661
01:07:20,799 --> 01:07:22,640
of the year. Therefore, we can spend

1662
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:24,720
money against that anticipation. That's

1663
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,960
what that loan does. Travis

1664
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,280
>> Travis, resident of Newport. I promised

1665
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:32,880
Charlie I was going to be remarkably

1666
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,440
silent. I'll be quick. So far so good.

1667
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,599
I'll be quick. I think the difference

1668
01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:40,480
here is that remember, unless I'm

1669
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,680
incorrect. Just be just because you have

1670
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:45,760
say a line of credit and you take that

1671
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,240
money out and you're using it to assist

1672
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:49,839
cash flow. It doesn't necessarily make

1673
01:07:49,839 --> 01:07:52,240
it a revenue. It's a liability because

1674
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,559
you do have to pay it back. So I I think

1675
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:57,280
anticip I think I understand what you're

1676
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:58,559
saying, but I think it is still

1677
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:00,480
anticipated revenue because that's not a

1678
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,160
revenue. That's a liability that you

1679
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:03,760
take it on. even though you get to spend

1680
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:05,039
it.

1681
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:07,119
>> Thank you, Dave Rue. I have a question

1682
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:09,280
for you. Is there a difference between

1683
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,839
using the word anticipated in the first

1684
01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:14,400
sentence where it's describing what

1685
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,040
makes up revenue brought in by the city?

1686
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:18,480
In other words, should we leave the word

1687
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:20,239
current there and then change to

1688
01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:21,600
anticipated throughout the rest of the

1689
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:22,880
paragraph? Do you have an opinion about

1690
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,359
that?

1691
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:27,359
I think that the language in the first

1692
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:31,600
sentence should stay as is as well as

1693
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:35,279
in the second sentence

1694
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:37,520
and then we start pick up anticipated in

1695
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:43,110
the third sentence.

1696
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,640
» Okay, council members, do you have other

1697
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,799
questions about this

1698
01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:49,120
comments you want to make? So in other

1699
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,279
words to clarify in the three places

1700
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:54,319
where in parenthesis and italics it says

1701
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:57,920
or isn't or is it current anticipated

1702
01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,759
would be the correct word in those three

1703
01:08:59,759 --> 01:09:02,159
instances.

1704
01:09:02,159 --> 01:09:04,719
>> Yes, that's what I'm hearing.

1705
01:09:04,719 --> 01:09:05,839
Before we're done, I'm going to read

1706
01:09:05,839 --> 01:09:08,159
this again. The way it's going.

1707
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:10,319
>> Yeah, we're kind of jumping ahead here,

1708
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:10,640
but

1709
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,440
>> yeah.

1710
01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:15,199
>> Okay, so let's go back for a moment.

1711
01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:16,799
>> I have I have one other

1712
01:09:16,799 --> 01:09:18,319
>> Go ahead. You're really going to love

1713
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:18,719
this.

1714
01:09:18,719 --> 01:09:21,920
>> Go to the mic.

1715
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:23,839
>> So, if we've already defined what the

1716
01:09:23,839 --> 01:09:26,159
revenues are,

1717
01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:28,319
we could cure this anticipate the

1718
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:29,920
current thing, but just not put either

1719
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,159
one of them in there. So, it would read

1720
01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:34,239
the city council shall not exceed in

1721
01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:37,510
expenditures

1722
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,440
the well

1723
01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:43,600
shall not exceed the current re the

1724
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,319
revenues of the city during this year.

1725
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:50,000
not even put either one.

1726
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,239
If we're if we're saying that current

1727
01:09:52,239 --> 01:09:55,600
revenues includes anticipated revenues

1728
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,480
from that other lawful source, then why

1729
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:04,149
don't we just keep revenues?

1730
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:06,640
» Yeah. Keeps it very basic.

1731
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,080
>> You're not wrong because each time it

1732
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:09,920
also says for that year, revenues for

1733
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:11,040
that year in each of those three

1734
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:11,760
instances.

1735
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,360
>> Yeah. and you're already describing it

1736
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,360
in the first.

1737
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:16,640
>> Dave Rudy, do you have a response to

1738
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:22,149
that?

1739
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:28,960
» I feel like the

1740
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:30,960
I feel like it's important to define

1741
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,960
what the current revenues are.

1742
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,280
um

1743
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:41,280
whether they include a I I think he uh

1744
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:42,960
the previous commenter I'm sorry I

1745
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,760
forgot your name was correct that an LLC

1746
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,239
is really a liability it's not a

1747
01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:49,520
revenue. Mhm.

1748
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,080
>> So to define current defining current

1749
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:53,840
revenues

1750
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:57,520
is helpful in that that means what the

1751
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,760
city had council or what the city has at

1752
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:03,040
the the time they are making a decision

1753
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:06,880
and instead it's

1754
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,360
you're not deficit spending unless you

1755
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,560
are exceeding anticipated revenues.

1756
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,560
So I think it's important to have that

1757
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:19,510
word in there though.

1758
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,280
Like it's hard for me to look at this as

1759
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,440
a whole without the word current and

1760
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:25,760
anticipated in there on the fly. I'll

1761
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,239
admit that.

1762
01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:31,840
>> Thank you. Did we just lose him?

1763
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:33,840
>> Okay. Oh, now we're on our own

1764
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:41,270
everybody.

1765
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:42,719
» Okay.

1766
01:11:42,719 --> 01:11:44,560
>> Council members be before we kind of

1767
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:46,000
start trying to work on this piece by

1768
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,560
piece. Any other comments about that

1769
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,280
question and the resolution Charlie's

1770
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:52,480
offering? Do you want to keep the word

1771
01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:55,840
anticipated, change to current, or

1772
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,320
remove the word entirely in those three

1773
01:11:58,320 --> 01:11:59,760
locations?

1774
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,719
>> Well, here's another thought.

1775
01:12:02,719 --> 01:12:04,000
>> Good. Because what we're really short of

1776
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,360
here are good ideas.

1777
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:11,120
>> I'm a long ways away from all

1778
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:12,640
the reaching the TV.

1779
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:16,320
>> What if it or could it say

1780
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:19,840
permit and

1781
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:24,960
expect current and anticipated revenue

1782
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,159
>> at the top.

1783
01:12:26,159 --> 01:12:28,080
>> No, she's saying each place where we

1784
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,320
have a question about it.

1785
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:31,920
>> Put both words in current and

1786
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:35,270
anticipated

1787
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:40,229
» or does that muck the water even worse?

1788
01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:43,600
» I think it's you say potato.

1789
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,920
>> I say potato.

1790
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:47,600
Okay, I'll be quiet now.

1791
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,360
>> No, I think it's an you know

1792
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:50,880
>> what we're looking for here is clarity

1793
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:52,719
to the average person who reads this

1794
01:12:52,719 --> 01:12:55,360
plain speak, right?

1795
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,760
>> What about anticipated

1796
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:02,149
or current?

1797
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:06,320
» But again, what's the I mean

1798
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,080
>> I'm kind of compelled by Charlie's

1799
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,239
argument actually, which is

1800
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:12,400
>> each place it says revenues for the

1801
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,800
current fiscal year, right? So why do we

1802
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,560
need the word anticipated or current at

1803
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,520
all in those three locations?

1804
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:20,960
It just feels like it's raising

1805
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:22,880
questions we don't need to raise.

1806
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,960
>> Does it does it make a difference in

1807
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,880
terms of cash versus acrruel accounting

1808
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:30,960
cash in the checkbook versus acrruel

1809
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:34,560
accounting in terms of budgeting?

1810
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:35,920
>> Dave, did you hear that question?

1811
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,880
>> I think it does feel current. The

1812
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,760
question John's asking is does it change

1813
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,320
does it matter to have that word

1814
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,239
anticipated because of the difference

1815
01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:51,350
between acral and cash accounting.

1816
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,239
This is uh outside of my area of

1817
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:57,840
expertise as a lawyer. Unfortunately uh

1818
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,480
I would defer to a CPA who has a little

1819
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:03,440
bit more understanding of cash versus

1820
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:06,320
acral basis. Unfortunately I can't opine

1821
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,760
on that. is a little outside of my uh

1822
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:13,110
wheelhouse.

1823
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,280
I'm also thinking that if you look at

1824
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,040
the three areas, if we look at those

1825
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,360
three areas where in parenthesis it says

1826
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,880
or is it current where we were we as a t

1827
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,679
when I say we meaning the task force and

1828
01:14:25,679 --> 01:14:28,000
then through conversations

1829
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,239
if you look at those separately the

1830
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:32,400
first one that says the city council

1831
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:36,400
shall not exceed in expenditures

1832
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,800
and you take out everything there as

1833
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:40,400
Charlie was saying it makes perfect

1834
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:41,199
sense. Mhm.

1835
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:42,960
>> The city council shall not exceed in

1836
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:44,719
expenditures the revenues of the city

1837
01:14:44,719 --> 01:14:46,480
during the fiscal year.

1838
01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:50,719
>> Done. The next spot

1839
01:14:50,719 --> 01:14:53,199
>> I I think I agree with that one too. If

1840
01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:55,360
there's any place that maybe we need a

1841
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,440
current or anticipated would be the

1842
01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:59,440
third place.

1843
01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:01,199
>> Let's be specific. The next one you're

1844
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:04,080
saying is the if the ant if the Yeah.

1845
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:05,520
>> And then we have anticipated current.

1846
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,679
But if the revenues of the city have

1847
01:15:07,679 --> 01:15:09,040
been expended before the end of the

1848
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,920
fiscal year and necessary or desirable

1849
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:13,840
expenditures need to be met, additional

1850
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:15,520
expenditure shall not take effect unless

1851
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,600
approved by a majority vote at a duly

1852
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:21,760
warned city special city meeting. At

1853
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:23,440
least seven days prior to that, the city

1854
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:26,320
council shall hold at least one publicly

1855
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:27,760
warned informational meeting. Is there

1856
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,080
another one here that I'm missing?

1857
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,719
>> I think actually I don't I think I I

1858
01:15:32,719 --> 01:15:34,400
have to agree with Charlie. Why do we

1859
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,159
need either one of those in there?

1860
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:39,040
>> No, I don't think we do.

1861
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:40,159
>> Joe,

1862
01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:41,760
>> that makes a lot of sense from a

1863
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,600
management standpoint. That that's the

1864
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,280
clearest way to say this from where I

1865
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,440
sit is to manage his budget is say

1866
01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:48,640
>> nobody's going to sit around three years

1867
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,239
from now and argue about whether it be

1868
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:51,360
anticipated or current.

1869
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:52,560
>> Yeah. Yeah. Do you run over your

1870
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,040
revenues or not?

1871
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:58,080
>> But the third spot the third spot's

1872
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,640
going to end up needing work, I think.

1873
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:04,719
uh let's if the uh if the anticipated or

1874
01:16:04,719 --> 01:16:06,400
current revenues of the city have been

1875
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,280
expended before the uh end of the fiscal

1876
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:12,080
year. I don't care if we delete the

1877
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,239
anticipated or current. So if the

1878
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:16,400
revenues of the city it can't be have

1879
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:17,920
been because you you want to act

1880
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,960
beforehand when you see that they will

1881
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:24,159
be right if if you can see ahead looking

1882
01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:26,320
at the budget that they will be extended

1883
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:27,840
then you need to start arranging for

1884
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,800
your vote. So I think is is probably a

1885
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,040
bad verb tense there.

1886
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:33,920
>> So So if

1887
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:35,360
>> that was part of my correction

1888
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:39,120
>> if if the revenues of the city are

1889
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,120
>> anticipated to be expended

1890
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:41,520
>> Sure.

1891
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,520
>> before the end of the fiscal year.

1892
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,239
>> Sure.

1893
01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:48,320
Well, what I wrote was if the city

1894
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,320
council realizes I'm going to get rid of

1895
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,199
the anticipated, the revenues will be

1896
01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:55,040
expended before the end of the fiscal

1897
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:56,880
year

1898
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:58,800
and will not cover necessary or

1899
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,679
desirable expenses to end to the end of

1900
01:17:01,679 --> 01:17:03,920
the fiscal year. Additional expenditures

1901
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,120
shall not take effect until the meeting.

1902
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,600
>> Okay. But we're trained for simple. So

1903
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,840
why can't I I think the point is well

1904
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,840
taken, Travis.

1905
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:15,600
Why can't we just say instead of have

1906
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:19,280
been will be if the revenues of the city

1907
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:20,960
will be expended before the end of the

1908
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:25,600
fiscal year and necessary desirable expenditures need to be met

1909
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:26,480
etc etc.

1910
01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:28,480
>> Yeah.

1911
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:31,440
>> Or you could put both of them if they

1912
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:35,280
will be expended or have been expended

1913
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,199
already. So one is predictive but one is

1914
01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:41,520
if it's happened already you certainly

1915
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,560
should act. The first one depends upon

1916
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,280
your estimate of whether they will be

1917
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:50,159
expended.

1918
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:54,470
>> Danny speak to this.

1919
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:56,719
» Now you know why it took eight hours.

1920
01:17:56,719 --> 01:17:59,600
>> Indeed.

1921
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:00,719
>> I'm thinking that you all are going to

1922
01:18:00,719 --> 01:18:02,320
need a support group when you have these

1923
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:06,149
meetings anyway.

1924
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:09,040
M city resident. Um if you refer back to

1925
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,280
actually the original language in the

1926
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,080
original charter, I think they actually

1927
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,080
did try to address what we're trying to

1928
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,000
address now is the original language

1929
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,480
says if it should happen that said

1930
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:22,640
current revenues of the city shall have

1931
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,239
been expended before the end of the

1932
01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:26,960
fiscal year. And I think that language a

1933
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,600
little more speaks to it maybe will

1934
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,600
happen in the future, not necessarily

1935
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,199
waiting until it has happened. And I

1936
01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:36,159
think when we change the modernize it.

1937
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:38,640
We may have made it a little more firm

1938
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,360
sounding that it had to be left. So, I

1939
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:44,400
think if we actually maybe just like

1940
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,800
reverted to the original language a

1941
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,120
little more, that might actually say

1942
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,040
that this whole conversation.

1943
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:52,320
>> Yeah. Will you read that one more time?

1944
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:53,600
The original

1945
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,640
>> um if it should happen that said current

1946
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,480
revenues of the city shall have been

1947
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:00,239
expended before the end of any fiscal

1948
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:02,960
year.

1949
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,360
If it should happen that said current

1950
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,520
revenues of the city shall have been

1951
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,360
expended before the end of any fiscal

1952
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:12,390
year.

1953
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:13,600
» Council members, what do you think about

1954
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:14,000
that?

1955
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:15,840
>> So that's that's reactive, not

1956
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:19,750
proactive.

1957
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,679
» And

1958
01:19:21,679 --> 01:19:23,840
we don't necessarily want to limit the

1959
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,080
city council to only being reactive.

1960
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:29,199
Ideally, the council would be proactive

1961
01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:31,040
>> by putting current. If you get rid of

1962
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,840
the current You'll be all right.

1963
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:37,040
>> Well, it's the shall have been reactive

1964
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:37,679
piece.

1965
01:19:37,679 --> 01:19:38,719
>> Yeah.

1966
01:19:38,719 --> 01:19:40,640
>> Do you think do you think though that

1967
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:44,080
shall have been I I could see it being

1968
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,719
reactive if it just said have been but I

1969
01:19:46,719 --> 01:19:48,159
think the addition of that shell which

1970
01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:51,040
we admitted actually

1971
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,199
does make it at least coming from a

1972
01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:54,800
historical standpoint and knowing like

1973
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:56,320
how historically that was meant to

1974
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:58,000
sound. I do feel like that was actually

1975
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:01,600
a proactive statement in language 198.

1976
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,199
>> Well, except if they're talking about

1977
01:20:03,199 --> 01:20:04,719
future fiscal years that haven't

1978
01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:07,199
happened yet.

1979
01:20:07,199 --> 01:20:08,239
>> No, I think they're talking about the

1980
01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:10,000
same fiscal year.

1981
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:10,640
>> They are.

1982
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:12,719
>> They're talking about if I I think

1983
01:20:12,719 --> 01:20:13,920
they're saying exactly what we're

1984
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,159
talking about here shall have been

1985
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:18,320
expended in this fiscal year is to say

1986
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,159
we anticipate

1987
01:20:20,159 --> 01:20:23,440
that we could be beyond our means before

1988
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:24,480
the end of the year and we got to do

1989
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:26,880
something about it.

1990
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:28,480
gives us the ability to be

1991
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:30,480
anticipatory.

1992
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:32,239
>> I thought it was a lot easier just to

1993
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:34,239
change the two words have to will be.

1994
01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:36,880
>> I I think

1995
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,600
from the clarity point of view.

1996
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,159
>> Yes. Because we have the word

1997
01:20:42,159 --> 01:20:43,760
anticipated still there.

1998
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,679
>> Yeah. If we say if the anticipated

1999
01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:48,000
revenues of the city will be expended

2000
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:58,070
before the end of the fiscal year, etc., In other words, proactive language.

2001
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:00,640
Okay,

2002
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:02,159
let's do this one first and then we'll

2003
01:21:02,159 --> 01:21:03,840
go talk about this adding the word city

2004
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,640
for Jennifer in a moment here. Okay, so

2005
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:08,239
we've got a number of opportunities on

2006
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:09,600
the boards here. John, I feel like

2007
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:10,880
you've got an opinion. Do you want to

2008
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:14,719
make a motion related to that?

2009
01:21:14,719 --> 01:21:16,400
And let's do them one at a time, shall

2010
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,960
we? If you want to make a change in the

2011
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:20,719
first line, now's your moment. If you

2012
01:21:20,719 --> 01:21:23,440
don't, we don't need anything.

2013
01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:24,960
>> Probably the first one in the world. So,

2014
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:26,239
it would still be the current revenues

2015
01:21:26,239 --> 01:21:31,189
of the city shall consist

2016
01:21:31,199 --> 01:21:34,159
» and then in the in the

2017
01:21:34,159 --> 01:21:35,840
three places where

2018
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:37,199
>> No, let's do them. I'm sorry. Let's do

2019
01:21:37,199 --> 01:21:38,400
them one at a time.

2020
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:40,320
>> I don't want to get us bottled up later

2021
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,080
on for having missed something.

2022
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:43,520
>> One, two, three.

2023
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:46,080
>> Okay. Okay. Well, in the fourth line,

2024
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,239
um, where it says for specific purposes

2025
01:21:48,239 --> 01:21:50,560
made at any annual or special meeting,

2026
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,800
it should say any annual or special city

2027
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:54,639
meeting. And I'll make that a motion.

2028
01:21:54,639 --> 01:21:56,320
>> Okay. I have a motion to add the word

2029
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,639
city between special and meeting in the

2030
01:21:58,639 --> 01:22:00,320
fourth line. Do I have a second?

2031
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:01,440
>> A second.

2032
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:03,040
>> Motion and a second. Any further

2033
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,679
discussion about that?

2034
01:22:05,679 --> 01:22:07,760
>> All in favor, please say I. I.

2035
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:09,360
>> Opposed? Nay.

2036
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:11,679
>> That motion carries. You keeping up with

2037
01:22:11,679 --> 01:22:16,310
us there, Dave? You all right?

2038
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,159
Dave Rue,

2039
01:22:18,159 --> 01:22:19,840
>> doesn't it say but then doesn't it say

2040
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,400
at any annual or special city meeting in

2041
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,159
the city?

2042
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:26,880
>> Yes, that's what we just did.

2043
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:28,320
>> Are we going to delete in the city?

2044
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:32,719
>> Oh, okay. I'll make that my next motion.

2045
01:22:32,719 --> 01:22:34,960
>> Okay. Sorry, but I that's why I got a

2046
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:36,400
little confusing.

2047
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:37,679
>> Cleans up the grammar.

2048
01:22:37,679 --> 01:22:39,120
>> Get rid of the end of the city.

2049
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,199
>> Yep.

2050
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:42,880
>> John, make it. I did.

2051
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,120
>> Okay. Got a motion to delete those

2052
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:46,880
immediate words in the city following

2053
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:48,639
special city meeting. Do I have a

2054
01:22:48,639 --> 01:22:49,440
second?

2055
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:51,920
>> I have a second. All those in favor say

2056
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:52,320
I.

2057
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:55,360
>> I. Oppose. Nay. Motion carries. Keep

2058
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:58,480
going. John, you're on a roll.

2059
01:22:58,480 --> 01:23:02,560
>> Uh then in the se seventh line,

2060
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,639
um

2061
01:23:04,639 --> 01:23:06,880
I move that the word anticipated be

2062
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:12,229
deleted and

2063
01:23:12,239 --> 01:23:15,040
where it says in italics or is it

2064
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:16,960
current? Just ignore that. Take that out

2065
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:18,880
as well.

2066
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:20,400
>> So the sentence would read, "The city

2067
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,320
council shall not exceed in expenditures

2068
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,159
the revenues of the city during the

2069
01:23:24,159 --> 01:23:25,280
fiscal year."

2070
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:25,920
>> Second.

2071
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,000
>> I have motion and a second.

2072
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:29,679
>> All those in favor say I.

2073
01:23:29,679 --> 01:23:30,400
>> I.

2074
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:34,719
>> Oppose. Nay. Motion carries.

2075
01:23:34,719 --> 01:23:36,960
And then the next one is two lines below

2076
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:40,159
that. The line begins, pay expenditures

2077
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:42,800
or appropriations in excess of revenues.

2078
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,520
And again, delete the word anticipated

2079
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,760
so that it reads

2080
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,400
in excess of revenues. Okay, I'm going

2081
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,239
to read the whole sentence. The city

2082
01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:53,679
council without special direction of the

2083
01:23:53,679 --> 01:23:55,360
voters of the city shall not draw, sign,

2084
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:57,760
or approve warrants to pay expenditures

2085
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:01,040
or appropriations in excess of revenues.

2086
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:02,719
Period.

2087
01:24:02,719 --> 01:24:03,840
>> Is that what you have in mind?

2088
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:04,480
>> Yes.

2089
01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:05,440
>> And do I have a second?

2090
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:06,400
>> Did I second?

2091
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:06,960
>> Second.

2092
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:08,880
>> Oh, okay. You did. It got double

2093
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:09,360
secondary to

2094
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,280
>> me. Comment on that.

2095
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,679
>> Yes, please.

2096
01:24:13,679 --> 01:24:15,840
>> You know,

2097
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:17,840
the one thing that it doesn't let you

2098
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,639
know uh is which revenues are you

2099
01:24:20,639 --> 01:24:23,280
talking about? Are you talking about all

2100
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,840
the revenues that the city has ever had

2101
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:29,360
in any of the years and that and that

2102
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:34,000
they've put into um special funds?

2103
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,960
Uh, are you talking about the revenues

2104
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:38,880
that come from that fiscal year's

2105
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:43,189
budget?

2106
01:24:43,199 --> 01:24:46,000
Do revenues include

2107
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:50,800
all the other revenues from past years?

2108
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:52,800
I don't know the answer to that, but I'm

2109
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:56,239
worried about it.

2110
01:24:56,239 --> 01:24:59,120
I'm not sure why I would be worried

2111
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:00,639
about it. In other words, if we put

2112
01:25:00,639 --> 01:25:03,760
money aside in a fund for the infamous

2113
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:07,520
back truck, right, and we're sitting on

2114
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:09,679
$650,000

2115
01:25:09,679 --> 01:25:11,520
and a smoking deal comes along to buy a

2116
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,159
back truck for $650,000,

2117
01:25:14,159 --> 01:25:15,920
we should buy it. We've we've been

2118
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,320
approving that for years. We've got the

2119
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,639
money and we just got a smoking deal.

2120
01:25:20,639 --> 01:25:22,960
So, that's the only situation I can

2121
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,040
think of off the top of my head in which

2122
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,840
that that distinction would matter.

2123
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:28,560
Charlie,

2124
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:31,440
>> in the line above it, it does say not

2125
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:34,080
exceed expenditures

2126
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,880
the revenues for during fiscal year. The

2127
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:40,080
very next sentence is what you start. So

2128
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:42,960
I don't know

2129
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,360
you're talking about the fiscal year in

2130
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:47,520
this whole paragraph.

2131
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,679
Well, that's where anticipated actually

2132
01:25:49,679 --> 01:25:52,790
become.

2133
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:57,910
» Say more about that, John.

2134
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,000
Well, if you use the word anticipated,

2135
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,800
then you know you're not trying to bring

2136
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:11,910
prior years into it. Um,

2137
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:13,679
anticipate it bring future years into

2138
01:26:13,679 --> 01:26:16,400
it. Then I'm anticipating getting next

2139
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:17,600
year.

2140
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:19,600
>> You can anticipate it

2141
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,199
>> 2030. We got it coming.

2142
01:26:21,199 --> 01:26:24,719
>> Yeah, that in every direction. to

2143
01:26:24,719 --> 01:26:26,719
I guess I'll just take the motion as it

2144
01:26:26,719 --> 01:26:27,120
is.

2145
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:28,880
>> Okay. Could you read the sentence one

2146
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:30,800
more time, please, John, that we're

2147
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:32,159
trying to take a vote on?

2148
01:26:32,159 --> 01:26:34,080
>> The city council without special

2149
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,159
direction of the voters of the city

2150
01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:38,080
shall not draw, sign, or approve

2151
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:39,840
warrants to pay expenditures or

2152
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:44,159
appropriations in excess of revenues.

2153
01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:45,679
>> Okay, I have a motion and I think we

2154
01:26:45,679 --> 01:26:47,040
have Do we have a second yet?

2155
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:47,679
>> Andrew.

2156
01:26:47,679 --> 01:26:48,639
seconded.

2157
01:26:48,639 --> 01:26:49,920
>> I did in my mind.

2158
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:53,360
>> Okay. Uh, all those in favor, please say

2159
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:53,840
I.

2160
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:55,679
>> I.

2161
01:26:55,679 --> 01:26:58,239
>> Any oppose? Nay. That motion carries.

2162
01:26:58,239 --> 01:27:00,080
John, you're doing great. Keep going.

2163
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,360
>> Okay. So, the next sentence,

2164
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:09,030
um, I'll read it as it would

2165
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:12,960
be changed. If the revenues of the city

2166
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:14,960
will be expended before the end of the

2167
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,840
fiscal year and necessary or desirable

2168
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,800
expenses expenditures need to be met,

2169
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,120
additional expenditures shall not take

2170
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,840
effect unless approved by a majority

2171
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,560
vote at a duly warrant special city

2172
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:29,840
meeting.

2173
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,480
>> Okay, I have a motion.

2174
01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:33,280
>> I'll second.

2175
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:34,880
>> And a second. Did somebody want to speak

2176
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,520
online?

2177
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,440
>> Okay, council members, any questions

2178
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:41,360
about that? That's two changes in there.

2179
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,360
Actually, it's three, right? We're going

2180
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:45,520
to remove the word anticipated. We're

2181
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,120
going to

2182
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,199
>> change have been to will be.

2183
01:27:49,199 --> 01:27:51,120
>> Change. Yes. Have been to will be. And

2184
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:52,560
we're going to add the word city between

2185
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:54,960
special and meaning.

2186
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:58,560
>> Okay. Any other comments? Go ahead. And

2187
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:00,960
>> yeah, I'm still a little worried about

2188
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,199
that. Um,

2189
01:28:03,199 --> 01:28:05,920
let's say grant money comes in and your

2190
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,080
revenues are

2191
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,000
greatly expanded. I mean, because it

2192
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:11,600
looks like you've got a lot of revenues

2193
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:13,760
now. I mean, they have a designated

2194
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:15,520
purpose

2195
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:19,760
um in the end. But right now, the bank

2196
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,480
the checkbook looks good. You're not

2197
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:24,080
allowed you're not really allowed to

2198
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:26,080
spend it on

2199
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,639
other things maybe than other than the

2200
01:28:28,639 --> 01:28:33,520
brand uh that it's designated for.

2201
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:37,840
But your revenues look good.

2202
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,239
Does that mean that you can uh you're

2203
01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:43,280
not in a in a bad situation with respect

2204
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:47,040
to being able to pay your other bills?

2205
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:49,760
>> There's no situation that I can imagine

2206
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:53,520
a responsible council or city manager

2207
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:57,360
would suggest that designated funding

2208
01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:59,280
that is received from in the form of a

2209
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,280
grant could be spent on the general

2210
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:02,080
budget.

2211
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:03,360
>> But is it revenue?

2212
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:04,639
>> It happened

2213
01:29:04,639 --> 01:29:06,800
>> and it did. I said responsible and I

2214
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:08,800
meant it right because a lot of what

2215
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,040
this what this charter revision attempt

2216
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,199
is doing including adding a recall

2217
01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:15,280
provision is creating methods to hold

2218
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:17,360
people accountable. The truth is at the

2219
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:19,280
end of the day there are no there's no

2220
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:20,800
way in the world we can think of every

2221
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:23,040
situation that someone might take

2222
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,199
advantage of us with or might act

2223
01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:27,520
irresponsibly about. So my answer to

2224
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,080
that would be we have to hold our

2225
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:32,639
government officials accountable and we

2226
01:29:32,639 --> 01:29:34,480
have the first mechanism in these

2227
01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:36,639
proposed changes to do that with teeth

2228
01:29:36,639 --> 01:29:38,639
through the recall provision.

2229
01:29:38,639 --> 01:29:40,800
>> Well, do we want to call it the budgeted

2230
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:44,000
revenue which would limit it to the

2231
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:47,360
budget for that fiscal year?

2232
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:49,679
>> But then you wouldn't be able to utilize

2233
01:29:49,679 --> 01:29:53,440
the grant if it's not budgeted.

2234
01:29:53,440 --> 01:29:55,199
>> Yeah. You wouldn't wind up in deficit

2235
01:29:55,199 --> 01:29:58,400
mode. Um, you would only wind up in

2236
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:02,560
deficit mode if you exceeded the

2237
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:06,880
budgeted um expense the the expenses

2238
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:08,719
exceeded the amount of money you were

2239
01:30:08,719 --> 01:30:11,199
getting in anticipated

2240
01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:13,679
uh revenue for that year. You're

2241
01:30:13,679 --> 01:30:17,440
expanding revenue is becoming a word

2242
01:30:17,440 --> 01:30:19,679
that could include many things, many

2243
01:30:19,679 --> 01:30:22,480
ways that you were getting money. And

2244
01:30:22,480 --> 01:30:25,360
originally it was just taxation fines

2245
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:28,400
and other lawful sources

2246
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:30,400
and it was talking about completion of

2247
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,639
everything within the budgeted year.

2248
01:30:32,639 --> 01:30:34,639
>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is

2249
01:30:34,639 --> 01:30:37,360
pretty close to the original language,

2250
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:39,360
isn't it? I mean, it was the charter

2251
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:42,560
task force's intent to bring us language

2252
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:44,800
that modernized but did not change the

2253
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:46,800
intent of the original charter. So what

2254
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:48,320
you may be what you're saying may be

2255
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:51,040
true, but it's no no more true for this

2256
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:52,480
than it was for the original charter

2257
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:54,800
that we're trying to stay close to. But

2258
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:57,600
it used current revenue, which I believe

2259
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,239
if you looked at that language, the

2260
01:31:00,239 --> 01:31:03,440
language of the original charter, it had

2261
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:05,120
another sentence in there that talked

2262
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:09,440
about the ability of the um council to

2263
01:31:09,440 --> 01:31:12,320
uh borrow short-term.

2264
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:16,080
And that I think that they were um maybe

2265
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:18,880
mistakenly, but they were including in

2266
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:21,199
current revenue the fact that you would

2267
01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:24,239
be getting some money um in terms of a

2268
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:26,719
line of credit or a loan that would be

2269
01:31:26,719 --> 01:31:30,000
paid by the end of the year.

2270
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,159
I'm saying you're you're we're making a

2271
01:31:32,159 --> 01:31:36,000
big decision now to to expand revenue at

2272
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:37,920
the last minute. You know, this is the

2273
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:39,840
second hearing. I'm worried about it.

2274
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:41,920
You could leave current revenues in that

2275
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:50,709
sentence.

2276
01:31:50,719 --> 01:31:51,920
» Council members, you have an opinion

2277
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:53,840
about this?

2278
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:55,600
>> I see somebody in the back that has

2279
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:57,520
thoughts, but uh I would

2280
01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:58,719
>> Dennis, sorry.

2281
01:31:58,719 --> 01:31:59,199
>> I really do

2282
01:31:59,199 --> 01:32:00,960
>> because he sits in the way back corner

2283
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:01,679
>> probably.

2284
01:32:01,679 --> 01:32:03,600
>> Come on up, Dennis.

2285
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:06,159
>> And then I do have thoughts, but really

2286
01:32:06,159 --> 01:32:08,400
just pertains to the example that Ann

2287
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:12,719
brought up. So, but I really want to get

2288
01:32:12,719 --> 01:32:16,159
>> correct me if I'm wrong, but probably to

2289
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:18,159
take care of what A is concerned about

2290
01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:21,280
is in the

2291
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:24,000
fifth line down

2292
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:27,600
it says that to be paid out of current

2293
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:30,639
revenues for that year. It doesn't

2294
01:32:30,639 --> 01:32:32,960
specify anything about designated funds

2295
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,360
that have been previously

2296
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:38,080
saved aside.

2297
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,080
So it shouldn't be touched at all. It's

2298
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:43,280
just the current funds that you get that

2299
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:46,960
year and those funds are at delineated

2300
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:51,750
your very first sentence

2301
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:53,760
does say

2302
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:55,760
>> and we have not changed that current. Is

2303
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:57,199
that correct?

2304
01:32:57,199 --> 01:32:58,719
>> It doesn't say current. No, it doesn't

2305
01:32:58,719 --> 01:33:00,480
say current. It just says the

2306
01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:04,400
expenditures re during the fiscal year.

2307
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:05,199
But it doesn't

2308
01:33:05,199 --> 01:33:06,800
>> it does does say fiscal year

2309
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:09,679
>> but it doesn't say um expenditures

2310
01:33:09,679 --> 01:33:12,480
that's appropriations and the word

2311
01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:15,120
appropriations has a special meaning in

2312
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:16,719
the budget. Those are those special

2313
01:33:16,719 --> 01:33:19,199
appro appropriations

2314
01:33:19,199 --> 01:33:24,480
>> um that we make at the end um for

2315
01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:26,239
special appropriations.

2316
01:33:26,239 --> 01:33:30,719
>> And so that would be it that may only be

2317
01:33:30,719 --> 01:33:32,800
referring to appropriations unless you

2318
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:39,030
write and expenditures.

2319
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:40,800
» Carter speaks.

2320
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:42,639
>> So, a couple sentences down, it says the

2321
01:33:42,639 --> 01:33:45,040
city council shall not exceed in

2322
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:47,840
expenditures the revenues of the city

2323
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:49,520
during the fiscal year.

2324
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:51,280
>> Well, that says expenditures or

2325
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:53,360
appropriations. So, it's distinguishing

2326
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:56,159
appropriations from expenditures. So, if

2327
01:33:56,159 --> 01:33:57,920
you're going to put it there,

2328
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:00,239
>> I think it should be up at the top or

2329
01:34:00,239 --> 01:34:02,080
close to the third line. All

2330
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:07,590
appropriations for specific purposes

2331
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:09,920
made at an annual or special city

2332
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:13,600
meeting and all expenditures unless

2333
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:17,280
otherwise directed by the voters

2334
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:19,520
be paid out of current revenues for that

2335
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:22,629
year.

2336
01:34:22,639 --> 01:34:24,320
doesn't occur.

2337
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:27,920
>> Well, the hypothesis or example that you

2338
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,360
brought up around functioning in grants,

2339
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:35,440
um it's pretty rare for you to get as

2340
01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:38,159
money up front. It's very it's more way

2341
01:34:38,159 --> 01:34:39,360
more standard for it to be a

2342
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:42,400
reimbursement base. And that is one

2343
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:44,239
thing that the financial task force has

2344
01:34:44,239 --> 01:34:45,600
talked about and we're approving some

2345
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:47,920
functions and I know Joe is aware in

2346
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:49,679
working on that too with our active

2347
01:34:49,679 --> 01:34:51,199
grants is to make sure our budget

2348
01:34:51,199 --> 01:34:53,040
reflects both on the expenditure and

2349
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:56,239
revenue side. Um

2350
01:34:56,239 --> 01:34:58,400
and so I I don't think that this would

2351
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:02,000
fun as as the I believe the motion was

2352
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:03,600
made on the sentence.

2353
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:07,120
>> Um thank you Rick. uh that it would not

2354
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:09,679
impact that operation. And I and I would

2355
01:35:09,679 --> 01:35:12,080
think again

2356
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:15,520
as we move forward as we have these

2357
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:17,679
monthly or at least bare minimum

2358
01:35:17,679 --> 01:35:20,000
quarterly review of our expenditures,

2359
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,080
right? You'll be able to see that

2360
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:25,440
tracking. So I'm I'm feeling comfy with

2361
01:35:25,440 --> 01:35:29,440
the motion. Um but I appreciate again

2362
01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:32,960
the thoroughess of this. This is

2363
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:34,639
>> and let's let's remember the point of

2364
01:35:34,639 --> 01:35:36,800
this sentence, right? Just read it

2365
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:39,360
again. This sentence is saying we're

2366
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:40,960
going to have to call a special meeting.

2367
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:42,719
That's the whole point of the sentence,

2368
01:35:42,719 --> 01:35:46,239
right? If the revenues of the city will

2369
01:35:46,239 --> 01:35:48,239
be expended before the end of the fiscal

2370
01:35:48,239 --> 01:35:50,239
year and necessary or desirable

2371
01:35:50,239 --> 01:35:52,480
expenditures need to be met, additional

2372
01:35:52,480 --> 01:35:54,320
expenditures shall not take effect

2373
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:56,159
unless approved by a majority vote at a

2374
01:35:56,159 --> 01:35:58,560
duly warned special city meeting. That's

2375
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:01,440
the point of this sentence is to say if

2376
01:36:01,440 --> 01:36:03,199
that happens, we're going to talk to the

2377
01:36:03,199 --> 01:36:06,639
voters about it anyway,

2378
01:36:06,639 --> 01:36:07,520
>> right?

2379
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:13,270
>> That's the whole point.

2380
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:16,400
But if you can pull revenues from many

2381
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:19,280
places, from other years, and we did get

2382
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:22,800
a whole Arbor ARA fund of $3 million,

2383
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:25,040
was it $3 million that we got or one

2384
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:26,400
million?

2385
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:28,639
>> Some some large amount of money. I mean,

2386
01:36:28,639 --> 01:36:30,480
sometimes large amounts of money come in

2387
01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:33,920
before you get to spend them.

2388
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:36,480
>> We Yeah.

2389
01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:38,880
>> Yes. When that happened, the council

2390
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:40,639
took action and I think it was actually

2391
01:36:40,639 --> 01:36:43,120
it was I know that the bond election was

2392
01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:45,760
held in relation to that money and the

2393
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:47,280
formula that was created for the bond

2394
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:49,760
that would be taken was the total cost

2395
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:51,679
of the project $5 million for an east

2396
01:36:51,679 --> 01:36:55,119
side water tower minus the money in hand

2397
01:36:55,119 --> 01:36:57,840
raised by ARPA or other funds would be

2398
01:36:57,840 --> 01:36:59,760
the bond amount that was left. In other

2399
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:01,040
words, the voters actually that's a

2400
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:02,159
great example of where the voters did

2401
01:37:02,159 --> 01:37:03,440
get to win.

2402
01:37:03,440 --> 01:37:04,960
>> Yes, we did.

2403
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:07,280
>> Right. and approved it.

2404
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:08,639
>> Yeah.

2405
01:37:08,639 --> 01:37:10,239
>> And many of the things that we're

2406
01:37:10,239 --> 01:37:13,040
talking about you I mean you're worried

2407
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:17,280
about um the voters. The voters have

2408
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:18,960
been very generous and

2409
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:20,000
>> we're not worried. That's not what we're

2410
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:20,880
arguing about here.

2411
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:21,199
>> Okay.

2412
01:37:21,199 --> 01:37:22,480
>> We're not having that conversation. What

2413
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:24,239
we're talking about here is just the

2414
01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:26,880
word revenue. And in this sentence, what

2415
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:30,320
it's saying is if the if additional

2416
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:31,679
expenditures are needed during that

2417
01:37:31,679 --> 01:37:34,400
fiscal year, we will go and hold a

2418
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:36,480
special city meeting. That's the whole

2419
01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:37,280
point of the sentence.

2420
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:41,119
>> You you could set this by just put

2421
01:37:41,119 --> 01:37:43,760
in that sentence

2422
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:49,830
>> because that would eliminate next year's

2423
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:51,520
» and your current revenues are already

2424
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:53,760
defined up above anyways to include all

2425
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:59,430
your

2426
01:37:59,440 --> 01:38:01,040
Okay. So, I'm gonna ask

2427
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:04,400
>> it's just defining the revenue.

2428
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:06,320
>> I'm gonna ask the uh Dave for his

2429
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:07,440
opinion and I'm going to ask the council

2430
01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:08,480
members for their opinion and we're

2431
01:38:08,480 --> 01:38:11,119
going to move on. Okay. So, Dave, we

2432
01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:12,560
have a sentence that's been proposed

2433
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:14,639
with a motion that's on the table. And

2434
01:38:14,639 --> 01:38:18,560
the question is whether it seems uh

2435
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:21,920
helpful to add the word current

2436
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:24,960
in this sentence where we it was in the

2437
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:26,400
parenthesis with a question mark

2438
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:28,159
actually. So it would read if the

2439
01:38:28,159 --> 01:38:30,320
current revenues of the city will be

2440
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:32,560
expended. Do you have an opinion about

2441
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:35,199
this?

2442
01:38:35,199 --> 01:38:38,159
>> Um

2443
01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:40,080
not particularly. I think current

2444
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:43,040
actually does help define

2445
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:47,109
um

2446
01:38:47,119 --> 01:38:49,119
where what we're talking about a little

2447
01:38:49,119 --> 01:38:51,679
bit more

2448
01:38:51,679 --> 01:38:54,480
um because that's what exists when the

2449
01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:56,800
council is looking

2450
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:59,360
ahead as to whether they would warrant a

2451
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:01,280
vote.

2452
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:02,400
>> Okay. Okay. So, I'm going to ask the

2453
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:04,560
maker of the motion and the seconder if

2454
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:06,080
you're comfortable with modifying the

2455
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:08,480
motion for the sentence to read, if the

2456
01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:10,560
current revenues of the city will be

2457
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:12,159
expended before the end of the fiscal

2458
01:39:12,159 --> 01:39:14,320
year and necessary or desirable

2459
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:16,480
expenditures need to be met, additional

2460
01:39:16,480 --> 01:39:18,320
expenditures shall not take effect

2461
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:20,239
unless approved by a majority vote at a

2462
01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:23,280
duly warned special city meeting.

2463
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:24,960
>> Okay with the maker

2464
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:26,719
>> and if I was a seconder, I

2465
01:39:26,719 --> 01:39:29,840
>> it's okay with all of the seconders.

2466
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:32,320
>> Thirders. Okay, Travis.

2467
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:34,880
>> I I would annual be better there because

2468
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:37,040
current sounds like cash on hand. Would

2469
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:39,119
annual be a better word saying it's this

2470
01:39:39,119 --> 01:39:40,239
year's revenues. It's

2471
01:39:40,239 --> 01:39:41,840
>> almost like you're on the financial task

2472
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:43,360
force. I want to like Travis.

2473
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:45,520
>> Yeah. Current current is defined in the

2474
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:49,750
first sentence.

2475
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:50,080
» Yeah.

2476
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:50,560
>> I like

2477
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:54,000
>> Okay. I have a motion and I have lots of

2478
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:56,960
seconds

2479
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:58,480
and so I'm going to read it one more

2480
01:39:58,480 --> 01:40:00,239
time so we are thoroughly clear about

2481
01:40:00,239 --> 01:40:02,560
what it is we're voting on here. Okay,

2482
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:04,320
if you vote in a fa in favor of this,

2483
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:07,600
the new sentence will read

2484
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:09,840
now I've lost where I'm starting. If the

2485
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:11,760
current revenues of the city will be

2486
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:13,520
expended before the end of the fiscal

2487
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:15,679
year and necessary or desirable

2488
01:40:15,679 --> 01:40:18,000
expenditures need to be met, additional

2489
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:19,920
expenditures shall not take effect

2490
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:22,239
unless approved by a majority vote at a

2491
01:40:22,239 --> 01:40:24,800
duly warned a special city meeting. I

2492
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:26,960
have a motion and a second. All those in

2493
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:28,880
favor, please say I.

2494
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:32,560
>> Oppos. Oppose. Nay. That motion carries.

2495
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:35,280
We're twothirds of the way through the paragraph. Keep going, John.

2496
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:38,800
>> Okay. Um, next sentence. Um,

2497
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:40,880
we're going to add the word city in one

2498
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:43,760
place so that it reads, um, at least 7

2499
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:46,239
days prior to the special city meeting,

2500
01:40:46,239 --> 01:40:48,960
the city council shall hold at least one

2501
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:50,880
publicly warranted informational meeting

2502
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:52,960
to present the proposed expenditure,

2503
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:55,520
explain the reasons for the deficit, and

2504
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:57,199
provide an opportunity for public

2505
01:40:57,199 --> 01:40:58,320
questions and comment.

2506
01:40:58,320 --> 01:40:59,360
>> I have a motion,

2507
01:40:59,360 --> 01:40:59,840
>> second

2508
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:03,280
>> and a second. Any comment?

2509
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:05,199
All those in favor, please say I.

2510
01:41:05,199 --> 01:41:08,719
>> I. Oppose. Oppose. Nay. That motion

2511
01:41:08,719 --> 01:41:11,040
carries.

2512
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:14,159
All right. Now, we're going to talk now

2513
01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:16,080
about the one that I know Dave Brew has

2514
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:17,760
got a real opinion about. He's shared it

2515
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:19,040
in this meeting and in previous

2516
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:21,520
meetings. We've heard from the council

2517
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:23,840
from the charter task force that they

2518
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:25,280
are recommending that we keep the

2519
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:27,600
language fully repaid within the same

2520
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:29,679
fiscal year in which it was issued in

2521
01:41:29,679 --> 01:41:32,800
which it is issued. Um, and we have

2522
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:34,480
Dave's recommendation that we consider

2523
01:41:34,480 --> 01:41:37,280
making it one year or less

2524
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:39,119
uh as opposed to the same fiscal year in

2525
01:41:39,119 --> 01:41:40,320
which it's issued. I'm going to ask

2526
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:42,719
council members to state your opinions

2527
01:41:42,719 --> 01:41:45,280
about this matter so that if we are all

2528
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:47,280
of close to one mind, we don't have to

2529
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:50,639
do a lot of comment from the community.

2530
01:41:50,639 --> 01:41:52,159
>> Thank you. Yeah,

2531
01:41:52,159 --> 01:41:54,400
>> I would go with our attorney's

2532
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:56,159
recommendation and going with the one

2533
01:41:56,159 --> 01:41:58,800
year or less clause because

2534
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:00,480
as we've talked about in previous

2535
01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:03,760
meetings, likely we will recognize the

2536
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:07,280
deficit beyond the next budget year's

2537
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:09,600
vote because it takes place in March at

2538
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:13,280
the top of March. So to rectify that and

2539
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:14,880
correct, I think it would just be

2540
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:17,119
appropriate to allow the council to make

2541
01:42:17,119 --> 01:42:20,000
changes within final operations, work

2542
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,800
with the city manager um to repay that

2543
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:25,360
debt and to work within state statute

2544
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:27,199
and allow for one year.

2545
01:42:27,199 --> 01:42:30,239
>> Okay. Thank you, Carter. Andrew,

2546
01:42:30,239 --> 01:42:33,840
>> I agree. We should go one year. Um

2547
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:35,440
because you never know, you know, by the

2548
01:42:35,440 --> 01:42:37,760
time by the time everything gets more by

2549
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:39,199
the time everything is done, you could

2550
01:42:39,199 --> 01:42:41,840
be 6 to 8 months into the fiscal year

2551
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:44,400
and to have to pay that back within 6

2552
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:46,480
months or four months, whatever it may

2553
01:42:46,480 --> 01:42:51,760
be, it's it's a very tight time frame.

2554
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:55,830
John, you have an opinion about this?

2555
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:57,760
» I think the circumstances in which it

2556
01:42:57,760 --> 01:42:59,679
would come up would be pretty rare,

2557
01:42:59,679 --> 01:43:07,280
realistically speaking. And I think the one year makes sense because while

2558
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:09,840
tax anticipation loans are normally

2559
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:12,080
taken in July right at the beginning of

2560
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:16,639
a fiscal year. So one year fits um you

2561
01:43:16,639 --> 01:43:18,960
know there certainly could be situations

2562
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:22,159
that arise in the last quarter

2563
01:43:22,159 --> 01:43:26,639
um that can't be anticipated and

2564
01:43:26,639 --> 01:43:29,040
there may very well not be time to have

2565
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:34,790
a special meeting to to to

2566
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:36,719
be able to fully resolve the matter

2567
01:43:36,719 --> 01:43:40,239
within the same fiscal year. Um

2568
01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:42,080
whereas the one year the one year

2569
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:43,679
creates

2570
01:43:43,679 --> 01:43:45,760
the necessity for a special meeting in

2571
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:48,000
any event and for instance if we approve

2572
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:51,679
a budget in March at town meeting

2573
01:43:51,679 --> 01:43:53,760
uh for the ensuing fiscal year beginning

2574
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:56,639
the next July 1st the issue whatever it

2575
01:43:56,639 --> 01:44:02,629
is arises during the last quarter um

2576
01:44:02,639 --> 01:44:04,320
in order to pay that back in the

2577
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:06,560
following fiscal year short of serious

2578
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:08,960
budget cuts somewhere

2579
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:10,639
uh there would have to be a special

2580
01:44:10,639 --> 01:44:13,040
meeting. Uh but the ability to at least

2581
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:17,280
borrow beyond the end of the fiscal year

2582
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:19,040
would at least buy enough time to have a

2583
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:21,600
special meeting.

2584
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:22,960
You know, I think just from the point of

2585
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:24,800
view of practical flexibility, it makes

2586
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:26,719
sense.

2587
01:44:26,719 --> 01:44:30,629
>> Thank you. Chairman Sharon,

2588
01:44:30,639 --> 01:44:34,320
» I stand by the fiscal year that we came

2589
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:38,470
up with as a task force.

2590
01:44:38,480 --> 01:44:44,229
You want to say more about that? Nope.

2591
01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:45,920
I

2592
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:48,239
>> So, if we do that, we might as well just

2593
01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:50,000
discard the whole first paragraph that

2594
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:52,159
we just spent an hour and a half on

2595
01:44:52,159 --> 01:44:56,000
because now it's giving you if you have

2596
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:57,920
permission to get into long-term

2597
01:44:57,920 --> 01:44:59,440
indebtedness

2598
01:44:59,440 --> 01:45:01,679
for over a year.

2599
01:45:01,679 --> 01:45:03,199
>> No, it's not for over a year.

2600
01:45:03,199 --> 01:45:06,320
>> Well, it's for a year or less. a year

2601
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:08,960
beyond the fiscal year. So you could do

2602
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:12,159
that in June

2603
01:45:12,159 --> 01:45:14,400
and extend it for a year to the next

2604
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:16,400
June. So now you've gone 11 months over

2605
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:20,239
your fiscal year. The whole idea of

2606
01:45:20,239 --> 01:45:23,760
holding you guys to line was to not be

2607
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:25,840
able to do that. And there's no limit on

2608
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:28,639
this indebtedness could be $800,000 and

2609
01:45:28,639 --> 01:45:30,800
you could just do it as long as it's no

2610
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:35,679
more than a year. And I personally

2611
01:45:35,679 --> 01:45:38,560
will not approve that myself. So

2612
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:39,440
>> anybody else on

2613
01:45:39,440 --> 01:45:41,280
>> do that as I said earlier at your own

2614
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:44,239
peril. I don't I think that's a huge

2615
01:45:44,239 --> 01:45:45,199
mistake.

2616
01:45:45,199 --> 01:45:46,159
>> Thank you Charlie.

2617
01:45:46,159 --> 01:45:50,560
>> Travis I have to agree with Charlie and I just

2618
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:53,360
wanted to add one piece of clarity. It

2619
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:55,280
sounds like such a small thing. take it

2620
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:57,280
for a year fiscal year. I and I

2621
01:45:57,280 --> 01:45:59,360
understand what you're saying, but it

2622
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:02,080
was the the frame of mind behind this

2623
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:04,320
was looking at it as a line of credit

2624
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:06,239
that we've used before. my time on the

2625
01:46:06,239 --> 01:46:07,920
financial task force, the line of credit

2626
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:10,239
was a tool that was used and and I think

2627
01:46:10,239 --> 01:46:12,320
that was specifically we didn't say line

2628
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:13,840
of credit there, but I think that's what

2629
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:15,840
we were looking at because lines of

2630
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:18,239
credit have to be repaid within the

2631
01:46:18,239 --> 01:46:20,560
fiscal year and it would be a tool for

2632
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:22,960
you to have facilitated cash flow

2633
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:24,880
through the year, not a tool to

2634
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:27,199
overspend the budget, which is what

2635
01:46:27,199 --> 01:46:28,800
making it a one-year term would

2636
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:35,600
basically do. I agree with Charlie. It's a backdoor way into uh approving uh

2637
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:39,280
deficit spending when the intent uh and

2638
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:40,960
they can correct me if I'm speaking out

2639
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:42,800
of pocket here, but I think our intent

2640
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:45,679
was to not tie your hands in the use of

2641
01:46:45,679 --> 01:46:48,480
a line of credit as a cash flow tool for

2642
01:46:48,480 --> 01:46:52,719
the year, not not a a deficit tool. So,

2643
01:46:52,719 --> 01:47:03,109
>> thank you, Travis. Danny,

2644
01:47:03,119 --> 01:47:05,520
» I would just remind everybody that we

2645
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:07,760
actually added this whole clause about

2646
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:10,880
being able to do sub clause about being

2647
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:12,800
able to encourage short-term indebt

2648
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:14,320
indebtedness

2649
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:16,000
as a way to give you guys extra

2650
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:17,840
flexibility, not take it away because

2651
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:19,840
there's not any language that allows you

2652
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:21,600
to take that allows the council to take

2653
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:24,159
out any short-term

2654
01:47:24,159 --> 01:47:26,080
without voter approval in the original

2655
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:29,280
charter. So by adding that in by saying

2656
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:32,159
that any indebtedness without voter

2657
01:47:32,159 --> 01:47:34,080
approval could be taken under certain

2658
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:36,080
circumstances that was actually to give

2659
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:38,320
the council flexibility not to tie your

2660
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:40,800
hands and I think that there's kind of a

2661
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:42,480
way that's being presented now as this

2662
01:47:42,480 --> 01:47:44,960
is a very strict thing that's really

2663
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:47,280
inhibiting you from inhibiting the

2664
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:48,880
council from maybe being able to do

2665
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:52,320
their jobs. But but really it's actually

2666
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:53,920
more flexible than what the original

2667
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:56,480
charter allows. So that was just

2668
01:47:56,480 --> 01:47:58,320
something that I think is worth

2669
01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:00,080
thinking.

2670
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:01,600
>> Anyone else on the task force want to

2671
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:03,040
speak to this?

2672
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:06,080
>> I I just want to add one other thing.

2673
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:08,159
We felt very strong, as you can see,

2674
01:48:08,159 --> 01:48:09,760
every member of this task force felt

2675
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:11,600
very strongly about the fiscal year

2676
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:13,119
part.

2677
01:48:13,119 --> 01:48:15,199
Comments from the community felt very

2678
01:48:15,199 --> 01:48:22,480
strongly. It wasn't just a one person. I think that also um

2679
01:48:22,480 --> 01:48:23,920
the people I've talked to in the

2680
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:26,800
community, we get the same thing. But

2681
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:28,639
this isn't to say in five years from

2682
01:48:28,639 --> 01:48:30,560
now, two years from now, if you're

2683
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:33,040
finding it's not working, we don't get

2684
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:36,000
together again as a task force with a

2685
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:40,550
new set of people.

2686
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:43,440
And you can re-examine this if you say

2687
01:48:43,440 --> 01:48:45,840
it's not working. But I have to agree

2688
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:48,000
with Danny. We had a huge conversation

2689
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:51,600
about this is less restrictive than the

2690
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:53,280
current charter that we have all been

2691
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:57,119
living with since 1918.

2692
01:48:57,119 --> 01:48:59,119
And I think we need to remember that.

2693
01:48:59,119 --> 01:49:01,360
And I think we also need to remember

2694
01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:04,560
that this one these two little words

2695
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:07,600
fiscal year do we really want that to

2696
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:09,600
jeopardize all of the updates we've done

2697
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:13,109
to this charter?

2698
01:49:13,119 --> 01:49:15,199
» So I want to jump in there and speak to

2699
01:49:15,199 --> 01:49:19,040
that. I I

2700
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:21,119
um I find myself in the awkward position

2701
01:49:21,119 --> 01:49:22,400
of disagreeing with pretty much

2702
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:26,000
everybody in the room. Uh I disagree

2703
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:29,840
with the task force members about what

2704
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:33,360
this limit does or doesn't accomplish.

2705
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:37,440
And in part I disagree because

2706
01:49:37,440 --> 01:49:39,199
we've been cleaning up a mess from the

2707
01:49:39,199 --> 01:49:41,199
last year and a half where there was a

2708
01:49:41,199 --> 01:49:43,840
far more restrictive charter in place

2709
01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:46,639
and it it did little or no good in terms

2710
01:49:46,639 --> 01:49:48,639
of keeping really bad decisions from

2711
01:49:48,639 --> 01:49:50,960
being made. So whatever language we put

2712
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:52,480
in here at the end of the day is not

2713
01:49:52,480 --> 01:49:54,080
we're not going to live or die by that

2714
01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:55,760
language. It's more a question of how we

2715
01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:59,440
build um how we elect

2716
01:49:59,440 --> 01:50:02,639
strong leaders who have good judgment

2717
01:50:02,639 --> 01:50:04,880
and hold them accountable. Having said

2718
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:07,280
that, council members, I disagree with

2719
01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:10,719
everybody but Sharon around the table

2720
01:50:10,719 --> 01:50:12,719
for largely the reasons that Sharon just

2721
01:50:12,719 --> 01:50:15,760
stated. You know, it's very I spent

2722
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:17,679
years debating

2723
01:50:17,679 --> 01:50:20,719
um very huge arcane issues before the

2724
01:50:20,719 --> 01:50:22,960
National Presbyterian Church, and it's

2725
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:24,320
amazing the number of times we would

2726
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:26,080
come down to the wire and be arguing as

2727
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:28,159
if it was a life and death matter over a

2728
01:50:28,159 --> 01:50:30,159
couple of words and forget all of the

2729
01:50:30,159 --> 01:50:32,080
work that we had done on the rest of the

2730
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:33,520
document.

2731
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:36,480
And it is my judgment that it is a

2732
01:50:36,480 --> 01:50:41,119
political moment in which the the memory

2733
01:50:41,119 --> 01:50:43,280
and the trauma experienced in this

2734
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:46,960
community is alive and well. And so my

2735
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:49,760
own feeling is that while I may believe

2736
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:52,320
that the council should be given the

2737
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:54,320
latitude that cities are given across

2738
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:57,840
this state because this is this is by

2739
01:50:57,840 --> 01:50:59,920
far and away more regressive than the

2740
01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:02,719
state statutes would be. While I may

2741
01:51:02,719 --> 01:51:04,159
believe that it would be great to be in

2742
01:51:04,159 --> 01:51:06,080
that position, I don't think we're there

2743
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:08,719
right now. And I'm not prepared to risk

2744
01:51:08,719 --> 01:51:10,159
what I think has been phenomenal work

2745
01:51:10,159 --> 01:51:12,719
done by both the members of the task

2746
01:51:12,719 --> 01:51:15,119
force and the council and members of the

2747
01:51:15,119 --> 01:51:16,400
community who have invested an awful lot

2748
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:18,480
of time and energy in this conversation.

2749
01:51:18,480 --> 01:51:20,320
So, my encouragement, though, I don't

2750
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:21,600
expect you to get to vote unless you'll

2751
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:25,679
come to a deadlock tonight, is to um

2752
01:51:25,679 --> 01:51:27,520
leave the language the way it's been

2753
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:29,840
drafted by the charter task force to be

2754
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:31,440
fully repaid within the same fiscal year

2755
01:51:31,440 --> 01:51:33,440
in which it is issued. And as Sharon

2756
01:51:33,440 --> 01:51:36,320
says, if it's unworkable and we've gain

2757
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:38,080
gained people's trust, we can come back

2758
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:39,760
to this two, three, four, five years

2759
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:41,760
down the road and have the conversation

2760
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:46,310
again.

2761
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:47,920
I don't think we need to take more

2762
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:49,280
comment from the community at this

2763
01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:51,119
point. I think we've heard unless it's a

2764
01:51:51,119 --> 01:51:53,280
new opinion, which I suspect it's not.

2765
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:54,400
Do you have a new opinion that you

2766
01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:56,239
haven't already shared tonight?

2767
01:51:56,239 --> 01:51:56,719
>> Yes.

2768
01:51:56,719 --> 01:52:00,000
>> All right. I'm concerned with your

2769
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:03,119
one-year loan and what it's in

2770
01:52:03,119 --> 01:52:05,920
anticipation of. So, let's say it's

2771
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:08,239
taken in April

2772
01:52:08,239 --> 01:52:12,719
uh just before the fiscal year ends.

2773
01:52:12,719 --> 01:52:15,040
you're taking the only reason you have

2774
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:17,840
rationale for taking a loan is it's ant

2775
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:21,840
in anticipation of taxes for which year

2776
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:24,639
the year that you're in. You can't

2777
01:52:24,639 --> 01:52:28,480
really take a loan for the next year and

2778
01:52:28,480 --> 01:52:30,560
I wouldn't even anticipate another 12

2779
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:33,679
months of taxes. They weren't ma meant

2780
01:52:33,679 --> 01:52:37,199
for the year that ends in June. They

2781
01:52:37,199 --> 01:52:40,800
were meant for the next year's taxes.

2782
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:43,520
Um, and you're lucky if the budget the

2783
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:50,960
budget was in March if you started it in um February. You wouldn't even have

2784
01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:52,800
an approved budget for then to

2785
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:55,760
anticipate those taxes because the

2786
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:57,679
budget would not have been approved for

2787
01:52:57,679 --> 01:53:00,639
that then. So, you've got you've got a

2788
01:53:00,639 --> 01:53:02,719
lot of problems with the meaning of

2789
01:53:02,719 --> 01:53:05,280
anticipation. And the second thing they

2790
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:07,920
have a lot of problems with is when that

2791
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:13,599
loan is due in April or May of the next

2792
01:53:13,599 --> 01:53:18,400
year. What's to stop any and we can't

2793
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:21,119
rely on us always having a wonderful

2794
01:53:21,119 --> 01:53:23,840
council? We have to deal with who gets

2795
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:26,000
voted in.

2796
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:28,000
And th this charter is meant to deal

2797
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:31,760
with good good council, bad council,

2798
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:34,159
good uh city managers, bad city

2799
01:53:34,159 --> 01:53:35,920
managers.

2800
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:37,520
So

2801
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:41,280
that loan um who's to stop you guys from

2802
01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:43,599
renewing it? Who's to stop you from

2803
01:53:43,599 --> 01:53:47,599
going from Pumick over to community

2804
01:53:47,599 --> 01:53:50,560
um and taking another one-year loan in

2805
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:53,280
anticipation of I don't know what taxes

2806
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:56,639
out forever. So that loan can get

2807
01:53:56,639 --> 01:54:02,800
bigger, that loan can continue. And it defies um the concept

2808
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:05,199
of um

2809
01:54:05,199 --> 01:54:09,440
only having a short-term loan uh that

2810
01:54:09,440 --> 01:54:13,119
you guys approve and us approving

2811
01:54:13,119 --> 01:54:15,840
longer loans. Longer loans can be one

2812
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:18,239
year plus one year plus one year. And

2813
01:54:18,239 --> 01:54:20,560
we're not getting our to say anything.

2814
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:21,840
When you take away

2815
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:23,040
>> I'm going to ask you to wrap it up.

2816
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:27,440
>> Okay. When you take away our vote,

2817
01:54:27,440 --> 01:54:30,159
when you diminish, no one no one said on

2818
01:54:30,159 --> 01:54:32,000
this charter change we were going to

2819
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:34,480
have our votes diminished. When you take

2820
01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:41,119
away our right to vote on this issue,

2821
01:54:41,119 --> 01:54:43,119
I'm not voting for this charter.

2822
01:54:43,119 --> 01:54:45,360
>> Thank you for your comments.

2823
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:47,520
>> Well, I'm not prepared to live or die on

2824
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:49,199
this particular issue because I don't

2825
01:54:49,199 --> 01:54:51,840
want to lose the good good work. But I

2826
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:54,000
would point out that over 80% of the

2827
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:55,520
communities in Vermont don't have

2828
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:58,480
charters at all. And the one-year

2829
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:00,719
concept that David is suggesting is

2830
01:55:00,719 --> 01:55:02,880
exactly what all those communities live

2831
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:05,360
with. Newport city is the only

2832
01:55:05,360 --> 01:55:07,360
municipality in Orleans County that has

2833
01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:10,159
a charter. And what what you're

2834
01:55:10,159 --> 01:55:13,199
effectively saying is you don't trust

2835
01:55:13,199 --> 01:55:15,280
the Newport City Council to function as

2836
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:17,679
well as Charleston Select Board or the

2837
01:55:17,679 --> 01:55:19,520
Bington Select Board or the Albany

2838
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:25,440
Select Board. and for that matter most of the other

2839
01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:29,199
charters in the state aren't aren't this restrictive. But as I say,

2840
01:55:29,199 --> 01:55:31,199
I'm not prepared to live or die on this

2841
01:55:31,199 --> 01:55:33,760
issue at this time. I'm more interested

2842
01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:36,159
in the big picture of

2843
01:55:36,159 --> 01:55:38,080
getting something through that we could

2844
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:39,920
look at as an improvement over what we

2845
01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:42,800
have now. Thank you, John. Any other

2846
01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:46,320
comments, Sharon, Andrew, or Carter?

2847
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:47,599
>> Thank you.

2848
01:55:47,599 --> 01:55:50,800
I just had a question um for Joe and I

2849
01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:54,480
hope it's okay if I throw the sign.

2850
01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:57,599
>> If this were to take effect and you I've

2851
01:55:57,599 --> 01:55:58,880
done through these meetings you're

2852
01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:01,840
hearing from the public um and you're

2853
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:05,280
managing a budget, how would this impact

2854
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:07,679
your operations if you were to notify or

2855
01:56:07,679 --> 01:56:09,920
identify that we're running a deficit? I

2856
01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:11,119
mean, ideally, we're going to avoid it,

2857
01:56:11,119 --> 01:56:12,719
but there's unexpected things. And I

2858
01:56:12,719 --> 01:56:15,760
think mainly

2859
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:17,040
previous meetings, we've talked about

2860
01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:20,639
personnel issues changing and market

2861
01:56:20,639 --> 01:56:22,480
variabilities that are completely out of

2862
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:25,119
anybody in here's control.

2863
01:56:25,119 --> 01:56:27,119
With those things being considered, what

2864
01:56:27,119 --> 01:56:29,119
would be the impact? like how would you

2865
01:56:29,119 --> 01:56:32,639
have to adapt your budget if we couldn't

2866
01:56:32,639 --> 01:56:35,199
get a line of credit that ex you know

2867
01:56:35,199 --> 01:56:36,960
understandably

2868
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:39,199
how would that impact your operations

2869
01:56:39,199 --> 01:56:40,880
like would that lead to firings would

2870
01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:43,840
that lead to services being cut I just

2871
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:46,400
want to know what we're entering when we

2872
01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:47,360
accept this

2873
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:49,840
>> and and I think that's thank you for the

2874
01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:51,440
question so I I think that's an

2875
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:52,719
important question that maybe the

2876
01:56:52,719 --> 01:56:56,639
community needs to consider um I take

2877
01:56:56,639 --> 01:56:59,760
Ann's point uh to heart that the voters

2878
01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:01,199
have approved the budget and this is

2879
01:57:01,199 --> 01:57:03,360
what you should live within. Um while

2880
01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:05,280
there are extraneous circumstances that

2881
01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:08,560
will impact that budget. Um I do I still

2882
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:10,159
to that point I understand this is what

2883
01:57:10,159 --> 01:57:13,280
was approved to stay within that budget

2884
01:57:13,280 --> 01:57:14,880
if we get there when we get there

2885
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:16,560
because you know things happen over the

2886
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:18,000
next decade if I'm lucky enough to be

2887
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:20,400
here you'll see services cut because

2888
01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:22,000
this is what this is the number that the

2889
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:24,480
voters approved. That's just and that's

2890
01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:26,239
what it would be. You see wck cut maybe

2891
01:57:26,239 --> 01:57:28,480
you lose a cop. I I don't know what it

2892
01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:30,320
looks like, but if you want me to stay

2893
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:32,080
within budget, that's this is what

2894
01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:34,719
you're asking for is is to lose services

2895
01:57:34,719 --> 01:57:37,760
because that's what we provide.

2896
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:39,199
But I do I take it to heart. This is

2897
01:57:39,199 --> 01:57:41,599
what you approve. This is what we spend.

2898
01:57:41,599 --> 01:57:42,880
>> Thank you, Joe. No, we're not going to

2899
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:45,040
take more comment from the committee.

2900
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:46,800
>> So, Carter, anything else you want to

2901
01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:49,119
say before we go to a vote?

2902
01:57:49,119 --> 01:57:50,800
>> I think that underscores it. We're

2903
01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:52,239
having these conversations with the

2904
01:57:52,239 --> 01:57:54,000
financial task force. There's more eyes

2905
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:58,560
than ever. Um and yeah. Okay.

2906
01:57:58,560 --> 01:58:02,950
>> Thank you. Sharon, any final comments?

2907
01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:04,800
» And Andrew, you you took a pass on this,

2908
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:05,040
right?

2909
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:06,159
>> That is correct.

2910
01:58:06,159 --> 01:58:07,520
>> Okay. We don't have a motion.

2911
01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:09,040
>> We do not have a motion on the table.

2912
01:58:09,040 --> 01:58:10,800
So, if someone would like to make a

2913
01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:12,960
motion to change the current language,

2914
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:16,560
now would be the time to do it.

2915
01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:18,159
The language that is the language that

2916
01:58:18,159 --> 01:58:28,390
the task force has put before us.

2917
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:30,560
I yield to the financial task force

2918
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:33,589
recommendations.

2919
01:58:33,599 --> 01:58:34,080
» We can read

2920
01:58:34,080 --> 01:58:35,040
>> the financial task force.

2921
01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:36,639
>> Sorry, sugar. Sorry, that's the one I

2922
01:58:36,639 --> 01:58:37,040
normally

2923
01:58:37,040 --> 01:58:38,719
>> I was going to say I can't take another

2924
01:58:38,719 --> 01:58:41,199
task force.

2925
01:58:41,199 --> 01:58:43,520
>> I yield to the charter task force

2926
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:45,599
recommendations and we'll revisit this

2927
01:58:45,599 --> 01:58:48,320
in a couple years. I guess

2928
01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:51,119
>> Andrew.

2929
01:58:51,119 --> 01:58:52,880
>> Okay, John, I think you've already

2930
01:58:52,880 --> 01:58:54,239
spoken your mind about this and I know

2931
01:58:54,239 --> 01:58:55,920
Sharon's opinion. So, we do not have a

2932
01:58:55,920 --> 01:58:59,040
motion on the table and we'll move on.

2933
01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:00,320
>> Thank you everyone for a really

2934
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:04,550
thoughtful and hard conversation.

2935
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:06,639
» Did we already take action to remove or

2936
01:59:06,639 --> 01:59:08,400
election in a I think we did, right?

2937
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:11,669
>> I know.

2938
01:59:11,679 --> 01:59:14,719
» To remove the words or election. Yeah,

2939
01:59:14,719 --> 01:59:16,080
that was the first and Dave's nodding

2940
01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:16,639
his head. Yes,

2941
01:59:16,639 --> 01:59:17,679
>> the very first one.

2942
01:59:17,679 --> 01:59:18,400
>> Yes, he did.

2943
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:21,280
>> Thank you. Um

2944
01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:24,000
B, I'll just read. I don't Well, I don't

2945
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:25,199
think there's any change we're asking

2946
01:59:25,199 --> 01:59:26,480
for there, right? Is there anybody who

2947
01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:30,239
would like to make a change to B?

2948
01:59:30,239 --> 01:59:30,800
>> Okay.

2949
01:59:30,800 --> 01:59:33,360
>> I I had a question um somebody on the

2950
01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:34,880
legislature.

2951
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:37,440
Is there some definition of an allhazard

2952
01:59:37,440 --> 01:59:39,280
event as defined by state statute? Is

2953
01:59:39,280 --> 01:59:40,560
that something you guys reference? Okay,

2954
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:43,360
then ahead. All right. Thank you. Good.

2955
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:45,760
And C, total indebtedness of the city

2956
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:47,440
shall not exceed 10% of the total

2957
01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:49,119
assessed value of the city's grand list.

2958
01:59:49,119 --> 01:59:50,719
Any comments or questions about that?

2959
01:59:50,719 --> 01:59:53,760
>> What does that equate to today?

2960
01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:54,800
>> 32 million.

2961
01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:57,920
>> Yeah. Yeah. The grand list is like 320

2962
01:59:57,920 --> 01:59:58,400
million.

2963
01:59:58,400 --> 02:00:00,000
>> Yeah. Okay.

2964
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:00,400
>> Thank you.

2965
02:00:00,400 --> 02:00:01,599
>> No, thank you. That was a helpful

2966
02:00:01,599 --> 02:00:03,520
comment. Appreciate it.

2967
02:00:03,520 --> 02:00:06,159
>> Okay.

2968
02:00:06,159 --> 02:00:08,560
Charter task force members, you have

2969
02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:10,880
served us so well. So, don't go anywhere

2970
02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:12,239
because there may be some other items we

2971
02:00:12,239 --> 02:00:13,599
want to talk about tonight, but thank

2972
02:00:13,599 --> 02:00:16,159
you for all your work on this and we

2973
02:00:16,159 --> 02:00:17,440
couldn't we clearly could not have

2974
02:00:17,440 --> 02:00:21,119
gotten here without you. So, um I I know

2975
02:00:21,119 --> 02:00:22,880
of at least one other item that someone

2976
02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:24,800
would like to speak to besides

2977
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:28,080
Jennifer's list of minor changes that

2978
02:00:28,080 --> 02:00:30,000
we've already agreed we'll ask Dave Rue

2979
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:33,040
to take on. And I think Dave Brew and

2980
02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:35,520
Joe have a question that you all wanted

2981
02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:37,920
to put on the table um that had to do

2982
02:00:37,920 --> 02:00:39,760
with both the charter, the treasurer and

2983
02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:43,199
the city manager sections.

2984
02:00:43,199 --> 02:00:44,639
One of you want to speak to that. Dave,

2985
02:00:44,639 --> 02:00:48,000
do you want to speak to it first or

2986
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:50,800
go ahead Dave?

2987
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:55,119
>> Sure. Um I

2988
02:00:55,119 --> 02:00:57,440
it is a question. It's purely a question

2989
02:00:57,440 --> 02:01:00,560
of sort of of how the city

2990
02:01:00,560 --> 02:01:03,679
administration works and it's u the city

2991
02:01:03,679 --> 02:01:06,800
treasurer is given the duty to process

2992
02:01:06,800 --> 02:01:09,040
payroll employee benefits and tax

2993
02:01:09,040 --> 02:01:12,400
withholdings and my understanding is

2994
02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:15,199
that responsibility doesn't or has not

2995
02:01:15,199 --> 02:01:17,040
historically solely rested with the

2996
02:01:17,040 --> 02:01:19,440
treasurer and that the city manager and

2997
02:01:19,440 --> 02:01:22,800
the administration also handles uh

2998
02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:25,119
processing payroll employee benefits and

2999
02:01:25,119 --> 02:01:28,400
tax withholding. things. So, Joe and I

3000
02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:33,440
are thinking of making a two edits, one

3001
02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:35,840
to section 13E

3002
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:39,599
and another to section 20 sub6 that

3003
02:01:39,599 --> 02:01:42,639
basically says the city treasurer

3004
02:01:42,639 --> 02:01:44,880
and the city manager shall process

3005
02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:46,880
payroll, employee benefits, and tax

3006
02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:50,239
withholdings. So it gives both it gives

3007
02:01:50,239 --> 02:01:53,119
the authority to address those uh

3008
02:01:53,119 --> 02:01:56,960
matters to both um officials I guess for

3009
02:01:56,960 --> 02:01:58,880
lack of a better way of putting it. But

3010
02:01:58,880 --> 02:02:01,040
it it it really does just codify what

3011
02:02:01,040 --> 02:02:03,520
the existing practice is and that city

3012
02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:05,599
manager administration handles payroll

3013
02:02:05,599 --> 02:02:07,599
benefits and tax withholdings and the

3014
02:02:07,599 --> 02:02:09,199
city treasurer is the one that signs the

3015
02:02:09,199 --> 02:02:10,639
check. So that's my understanding of how

3016
02:02:10,639 --> 02:02:13,280
that works.

3017
02:02:13,280 --> 02:02:15,440
>> So just so that we'll we'll take them

3018
02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:19,440
one at a time. Uh Dave, but I see the

3019
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:21,920
one in s in 13E. Can you tell us where

3020
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:23,360
to find the change that would take place

3021
02:02:23,360 --> 02:02:25,679
later under the city manager section?

3022
02:02:25,679 --> 02:02:29,199
>> Yeah, I was suggesting adding uh to the

3023
02:02:29,199 --> 02:02:32,400
end of 20

3024
02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:34,800
uh sub6

3025
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:37,040
20 uh and I will

3026
02:02:37,040 --> 02:02:41,030
>> 20

3027
02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:43,440
» the city manager duties.

3028
02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:45,040
>> It's 28 I think, isn't it?

3029
02:02:45,040 --> 02:02:45,520
>> Yeah,

3030
02:02:45,520 --> 02:02:48,320
>> 28. Okay. Yes. Sorry.

3031
02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:50,400
>> Yeah.

3032
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:54,320
>> Yes. 28 sub6.

3033
02:02:54,320 --> 02:02:58,159
And I would just add uh and with the

3034
02:02:58,159 --> 02:03:00,560
city treasurer process payroll, employee

3035
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:03,679
benefits and tax withholdings to mirror

3036
02:03:03,679 --> 02:03:05,440
13.

3037
02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:10,080
>> So you're adding a comma.

3038
02:03:10,080 --> 02:03:11,520
And then could you read again what you

3039
02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:13,679
would add behind the comma after and its

3040
02:03:13,679 --> 02:03:15,040
future needs?

3041
02:03:15,040 --> 02:03:16,480
>> Yeah. I would say to keep the city

3042
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:18,400
council fully advised of the financial

3043
02:03:18,400 --> 02:03:19,920
condition of the city of its future

3044
02:03:19,920 --> 02:03:22,880
needs and with the city treasurer

3045
02:03:22,880 --> 02:03:25,199
process payroll, employee benefits and

3046
02:03:25,199 --> 02:03:28,080
tax reporting.

3047
02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:31,280
>> Is that the way it works currently?

3048
02:03:31,280 --> 02:03:35,280
>> My office does all the processing.

3049
02:03:35,280 --> 02:03:36,960
>> Does the city manager have anything to

3050
02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:39,679
do with it currently? Jim,

3051
02:03:39,679 --> 02:03:41,840
>> he gets the reports.

3052
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:44,080
weekly and if

3053
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:45,599
there's any increase in salaries and

3054
02:03:45,599 --> 02:03:52,390
that type of thing, he lets us know. We do all the processing.

3055
02:03:52,400 --> 02:03:53,520
» Joe, do you want to speak to this?

3056
02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:56,480
>> I I do. So the so Sharon, the the reason

3057
02:03:56,480 --> 02:04:01,040
behind uh a proposal like this is not necessarily to have the city

3058
02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:03,360
manager, myself or future managers

3059
02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:08,880
actually do the process, but to have the ability to kind of backs stop

3060
02:04:08,880 --> 02:04:10,880
the treasurer. So, for example, if

3061
02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:12,719
something happens down in Jim's office,

3062
02:04:12,719 --> 02:04:15,040
it would be nice if somebody upstairs

3063
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:17,119
could have the ability to then help and

3064
02:04:17,119 --> 02:04:20,480
do payroll and do do AP uh to be able to

3065
02:04:20,480 --> 02:04:22,159
cross trainin people to do this work.

3066
02:04:22,159 --> 02:04:24,239
The way this language sits, it says that

3067
02:04:24,239 --> 02:04:26,480
office shall do it. It doesn't give any

3068
02:04:26,480 --> 02:04:29,599
option to let anybody else do that work.

3069
02:04:29,599 --> 02:04:31,040
>> I don't have a problem with having a

3070
02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:32,239
backup.

3071
02:04:32,239 --> 02:04:33,440
>> Thank you, Jim. That's a helpful

3072
02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:35,840
comment.

3073
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:36,239
>> So,

3074
02:04:36,239 --> 02:04:37,360
>> that was my next

3075
02:04:37,360 --> 02:04:39,119
>> Dave. Could you read it one more time?

3076
02:04:39,119 --> 02:04:42,000
and with the city treasurer, etc.

3077
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:44,560
>> Yep. Hold on. I was just making uh the

3078
02:04:44,560 --> 02:04:47,760
change up in six, but uh Okay, so this

3079
02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:51,280
is 28 A

3080
02:04:51,280 --> 02:04:54,639
uh six would now read to keep the city

3081
02:04:54,639 --> 02:04:57,520
council fully advised of the financial

3082
02:04:57,520 --> 02:04:59,199
condition of the city and its future

3083
02:04:59,199 --> 02:05:02,400
needs and with the city treasurer or

3084
02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:05,280
Kama process payroll, employee benefits,

3085
02:05:05,280 --> 02:05:08,400
and tax withholdings.

3086
02:05:08,400 --> 02:05:09,679
Okay, council members, you all

3087
02:05:09,679 --> 02:05:11,119
understand the two changes. We won't do

3088
02:05:11,119 --> 02:05:12,400
them at the same time, but you

3089
02:05:12,400 --> 02:05:13,040
understand them.

3090
02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:15,760
>> Yes.

3091
02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:17,920
>> Okay. Are there questions that anyone

3092
02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:22,070
has on the council?

3093
02:05:22,080 --> 02:05:23,840
» Okay. Charter task force members,

3094
02:05:23,840 --> 02:05:25,599
anybody have an opinion about this?

3095
02:05:25,599 --> 02:05:28,239
>> Checks and balances were part of what we

3096
02:05:28,239 --> 02:05:31,599
were trying to do everywhere.

3097
02:05:31,599 --> 02:05:34,719
>> Okay. Folks in the community and

3098
02:05:34,719 --> 02:05:37,679
>> Yes. I'd just like Jim to address what

3099
02:05:37,679 --> 02:05:42,320
he means by process. And

3100
02:05:42,320 --> 02:05:46,639
who's who can sign the checks then? Um I

3101
02:05:46,639 --> 02:05:48,480
thought the treasurer was the person who

3102
02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:51,360
signed off on the checks for all

3103
02:05:51,360 --> 02:05:52,880
employees.

3104
02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:57,440
And now are we saying uh that um the

3105
02:05:57,440 --> 02:06:00,080
city manager or anybody in his division

3106
02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:03,760
can sign off on checks? So, we may need

3107
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:06,960
to define what the process is. Um,

3108
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:14,470
>> Dave Rue, can you speak to that, please?

3109
02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:16,000
» My understanding is the city treasurer

3110
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:17,520
would continue to be able to sign

3111
02:06:17,520 --> 02:06:20,159
checks. It's the city manager that's

3112
02:06:20,159 --> 02:06:23,119
working with the treasurer to define

3113
02:06:23,119 --> 02:06:25,119
what the payroll is, employee benefits

3114
02:06:25,119 --> 02:06:26,480
are, and what the appropriate tax

3115
02:06:26,480 --> 02:06:30,790
withholdings would be

3116
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:33,360
» because we have another place under the

3117
02:06:33,360 --> 02:06:34,960
treasurer section that states clearly

3118
02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:37,040
that it's the treasurer's responsibility

3119
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:40,400
to sign off on all checks. Correct.

3120
02:06:40,400 --> 02:06:43,119
>> Correct. I believe that's in here.

3121
02:06:43,119 --> 02:06:46,239
>> What if you

3122
02:06:46,239 --> 02:06:49,599
Go ahead, Charlie. What if you Well,

3123
02:06:49,599 --> 02:06:52,159
I'm loud enough. That's okay. Um, what

3124
02:06:52,159 --> 02:06:56,560
if you just put in conjunction with

3125
02:06:56,560 --> 02:07:02,159
that way? It's not It's not an either or. It's you, city manager would

3126
02:07:02,159 --> 02:07:03,840
have to

3127
02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:11,109
do it in in conjunction with

3128
02:07:11,119 --> 02:07:12,079
» just a suggestion.

3129
02:07:12,079 --> 02:07:14,239
>> And it's basically the same. So, I'm I'm

3130
02:07:14,239 --> 02:07:16,719
fine with that edit. So it would say to

3131
02:07:16,719 --> 02:07:19,040
keep the city council fully advised of

3132
02:07:19,040 --> 02:07:20,639
the financial condition of the city of

3133
02:07:20,639 --> 02:07:24,239
its future needs and in conjunction with

3134
02:07:24,239 --> 02:07:27,360
the city treasurer process payroll

3135
02:07:27,360 --> 02:07:29,280
employee benefits and tax withholdings

3136
02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:32,000
and we would use the same uh and in

3137
02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:37,440
conjunction with update section 13E.

3138
02:07:37,440 --> 02:07:40,960
>> Okay, any questions about that?

3139
02:07:40,960 --> 02:07:42,079
>> Joe, you want to say anything further

3140
02:07:42,079 --> 02:07:42,719
about it?

3141
02:07:42,719 --> 02:07:43,440
>> No, sir.

3142
02:07:43,440 --> 02:07:45,440
>> Okay. Yeah.

3143
02:07:45,440 --> 02:07:48,079
>> So, does it in conjunction with mean

3144
02:07:48,079 --> 02:07:52,000
that the city manager signs off on these

3145
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:53,679
checks or not? Because

3146
02:07:53,679 --> 02:07:56,079
>> No, it says the city treasurer signs off

3147
02:07:56,079 --> 02:07:57,760
on payroll checks.

3148
02:07:57,760 --> 02:07:58,560
>> Okay. So,

3149
02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:00,480
>> he helps he helps with tax. He helps

3150
02:08:00,480 --> 02:08:04,000
with the the income tax withholdings and

3151
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:09,109
the hourly rates and so on.

3152
02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:11,599
» You can't do it. Joel saying

3153
02:08:11,599 --> 02:08:12,800
>> I'm sorry.

3154
02:08:12,800 --> 02:08:14,880
>> We can't do it. Joe's office would do

3155
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:17,840
it. That's what he's saying.

3156
02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:19,119
For some reason,

3157
02:08:19,119 --> 02:08:21,679
>> well, in conjunction with, but it would

3158
02:08:21,679 --> 02:08:24,239
have to be

3159
02:08:24,239 --> 02:08:26,079
they can't just do it. Has to be in

3160
02:08:26,079 --> 02:08:28,639
conjunction with the That's why I added

3161
02:08:28,639 --> 02:08:32,639
that. So, there wasn't a split pal.

3162
02:08:32,639 --> 02:08:34,880
>> Well, everybody in my office is sick for

3163
02:08:34,880 --> 02:08:36,480
two months. I'll come in in conjunction

3164
02:08:36,480 --> 02:08:37,280
with

3165
02:08:37,280 --> 02:08:39,440
>> Exactly. At least you know what's going

3166
02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:42,629
on.

3167
02:08:42,639 --> 02:08:46,480
» All right. So, let's go back then to

3168
02:08:46,480 --> 02:08:51,040
uh section 13 E. And Dave, I'll ask you

3169
02:08:51,040 --> 02:08:52,800
to invite a motion using the exact

3170
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:55,119
language that we're proposing.

3171
02:08:55,119 --> 02:08:58,719
So, I I recommend a motion be made to

3172
02:08:58,719 --> 02:09:02,400
alter section 13E. So, it reads, "The

3173
02:09:02,400 --> 02:09:04,960
city treasurer in conjunction with the

3174
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:07,760
city manager shall process payroll,

3175
02:09:07,760 --> 02:09:11,119
employee benefits, and tax withholding."

3176
02:09:11,119 --> 02:09:13,360
>> I'll make that motion. I have a motion

3177
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:13,840
>> second

3178
02:09:13,840 --> 02:09:17,119
>> and a second. Any further discussion?

3179
02:09:17,119 --> 02:09:26,149
>> Danny,

3180
02:09:26,159 --> 02:09:30,639
» this is just a question um really, but

3181
02:09:30,639 --> 02:09:36,480
I've been speaking with some people in

3182
02:09:36,480 --> 02:09:39,520
at the state level about authority,

3183
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:41,920
specifically about the authority of C.

3184
02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:45,840
people to do certain things that mean

3185
02:09:45,840 --> 02:09:47,440
and when we're talking about the

3186
02:09:47,440 --> 02:09:50,719
approval of warrants

3187
02:09:50,719 --> 02:09:53,199
my understanding is that under Vermont

3188
02:09:53,199 --> 02:09:57,280
statute payroll is a warrant

3189
02:09:57,280 --> 02:10:01,679
in the charter language that we just

3190
02:10:01,679 --> 02:10:03,520
we're putting forward that says that the

3191
02:10:03,520 --> 02:10:05,199
city treasurer without special direction

3192
02:10:05,199 --> 02:10:06,480
of the voters of the city shall not

3193
02:10:06,480 --> 02:10:08,719
honor horns in excess of anticipated

3194
02:10:08,719 --> 02:10:11,360
revenues so

3195
02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:14,320
I would just maybe put out there that

3196
02:10:14,320 --> 02:10:16,079
there are more places in the charter

3197
02:10:16,079 --> 02:10:18,239
that we need to revisit if we're going

3198
02:10:18,239 --> 02:10:21,199
to share author that authority because

3199
02:10:21,199 --> 02:10:24,639
if we say, you know, the city manager

3200
02:10:24,639 --> 02:10:28,480
can can do this, but then

3201
02:10:28,480 --> 02:10:30,159
the city treasurer is the only one who's

3202
02:10:30,159 --> 02:10:31,679
not allowed, you know, then then it's

3203
02:10:31,679 --> 02:10:33,599
his it's Jim's authority that we're

3204
02:10:33,599 --> 02:10:36,159
talking about, you know, so so Joe could

3205
02:10:36,159 --> 02:10:39,119
essentially be writing checks that that

3206
02:10:39,119 --> 02:10:41,920
falls I mean, you know what I But but

3207
02:10:41,920 --> 02:10:45,679
that it would be on Jim's

3208
02:10:45,679 --> 02:10:47,199
it would be Jim's responsibility. He's

3209
02:10:47,199 --> 02:10:48,480
the one who would have to answer to it

3210
02:10:48,480 --> 02:10:50,960
by law, not Joe. So I think we should

3211
02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:54,320
just be clear about that because at the

3212
02:10:54,320 --> 02:10:56,079
state level they're really concerned

3213
02:10:56,079 --> 02:10:59,040
about whose authority in the city it is

3214
02:10:59,040 --> 02:11:01,119
to do certain things because of the

3215
02:11:01,119 --> 02:11:04,480
responsibility that's attached.

3216
02:11:04,480 --> 02:11:06,320
>> Thank you, Danny. Stay right there for a

3217
02:11:06,320 --> 02:11:07,760
moment because you may know this answer

3218
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:09,280
to this question more than anybody else

3219
02:11:09,280 --> 02:11:12,000
does. I just want to ask where in the

3220
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:15,040
charter proposed charter language do we

3221
02:11:15,040 --> 02:11:16,880
have the statement that I think I know

3222
02:11:16,880 --> 02:11:20,239
about that says that the city treasurer

3223
02:11:20,239 --> 02:11:22,400
shall have the authority is the person

3224
02:11:22,400 --> 02:11:26,639
who has the authority to sign warrants.

3225
02:11:26,639 --> 02:11:29,679
>> It is

3226
02:11:29,679 --> 02:11:31,440
just a

3227
02:11:31,440 --> 02:11:35,679
so many copies of the chart right now.

3228
02:11:35,679 --> 02:11:39,750
>> It is I believe

3229
02:11:39,760 --> 02:11:41,440
It's in that same section, right? In

3230
02:11:41,440 --> 02:11:42,159
section 13,

3231
02:11:42,159 --> 02:11:44,480
>> final section under N.

3232
02:11:44,480 --> 02:11:45,760
>> It's right.

3233
02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:48,880
>> Or is it I or is it

3234
02:11:48,880 --> 02:11:50,400
has it changed?

3235
02:11:50,400 --> 02:11:51,679
>> It's

3236
02:11:51,679 --> 02:11:53,360
>> Do we still not have the language at the

3237
02:11:53,360 --> 02:11:56,239
very end after M was its own clause? Has

3238
02:11:56,239 --> 02:11:57,679
that been updated already? The city

3239
02:11:57,679 --> 02:12:00,320
council without special direction.

3240
02:12:00,320 --> 02:12:02,159
>> That one is that one not there anymore?

3241
02:12:02,159 --> 02:12:04,079
>> We don't have an M. No, we got rid of

3242
02:12:04,079 --> 02:12:04,320
that.

3243
02:12:04,320 --> 02:12:06,239
>> We got rid of it and we moved it. Okay.

3244
02:12:06,239 --> 02:12:07,440
>> Yes.

3245
02:12:07,440 --> 02:12:09,280
>> Right. So, just to be clear, this the

3246
02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:10,880
letter I currently says the city

3247
02:12:10,880 --> 02:12:12,880
treasurer shall certify that there are

3248
02:12:12,880 --> 02:12:14,400
sufficient funds available to pay all

3249
02:12:14,400 --> 02:12:15,920
warrants presented to the city council

3250
02:12:15,920 --> 02:12:17,840
for approval and that the warrants

3251
02:12:17,840 --> 02:12:20,480
conform to to the adopted budget and pay

3252
02:12:20,480 --> 02:12:22,000
all warrants approved by the city

3253
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:24,159
council. The city treasurer shall notify

3254
02:12:24,159 --> 02:12:26,159
the city council when the city treasurer

3255
02:12:26,159 --> 02:12:27,840
needs to access the approved line of

3256
02:12:27,840 --> 02:12:29,599
credit to cover warrants and

3257
02:12:29,599 --> 02:12:31,360
expenditures.

3258
02:12:31,360 --> 02:12:35,040
So, I'm just trying to make sure the

3259
02:12:35,040 --> 02:12:36,960
concern I I think I hear Danny raising

3260
02:12:36,960 --> 02:12:40,400
is have we muddied that statement

3261
02:12:40,400 --> 02:12:42,800
>> in by by

3262
02:12:42,800 --> 02:12:45,599
changing this other language.

3263
02:12:45,599 --> 02:12:49,440
>> So, we have section 20 going back at the

3264
02:12:49,440 --> 02:12:52,960
end of section 23.

3265
02:12:52,960 --> 02:12:54,560
I'm just confirming that's the right

3266
02:12:54,560 --> 02:12:58,880
number. Uh, no, sorry, that's 15. powers

3267
02:12:58,880 --> 02:13:01,920
and duties of city council.

3268
02:13:01,920 --> 02:13:05,599
At the very end of that one, the last

3269
02:13:05,599 --> 02:13:07,679
sentence says, "The city treasurer

3270
02:13:07,679 --> 02:13:09,360
without special direction of the voters

3271
02:13:09,360 --> 02:13:11,760
of the city shall not honor or pay

3272
02:13:11,760 --> 02:13:13,760
warrants in excess of anticipated

3273
02:13:13,760 --> 02:13:18,310
revenue."

3274
02:13:18,320 --> 02:13:21,920
» There is. So again, that puts the power

3275
02:13:21,920 --> 02:13:24,480
uh

3276
02:13:24,480 --> 02:13:26,639
the treasurer to withhold his signature

3277
02:13:26,639 --> 02:13:30,480
on checks if there's no money available.

3278
02:13:30,480 --> 02:13:31,920
>> Joe, you've been trying to speak and I

3279
02:13:31,920 --> 02:13:32,800
missed you. Sorry.

3280
02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:38,400
>> Yeah. No, no, it's it's confusing and if you don't live it, it's it's even

3281
02:13:38,400 --> 02:13:40,960
more confusing. So processing a payroll

3282
02:13:40,960 --> 02:13:43,119
is different than signing the checks

3283
02:13:43,119 --> 02:13:45,440
like Jim does and then approving the

3284
02:13:45,440 --> 02:13:47,040
warrant like the council does. This is

3285
02:13:47,040 --> 02:13:49,040
exactly the separation of duties that a

3286
02:13:49,040 --> 02:13:51,199
community would want. Right? So you'd

3287
02:13:51,199 --> 02:13:53,840
have an administration like myself

3288
02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:56,880
saying Joe gets paid $10.

3289
02:13:56,880 --> 02:13:59,360
Joe hands that to Jim and Jim says, "Hey

3290
02:13:59,360 --> 02:14:02,400
Jim, s 10 bucks for Joe." And Jim looks

3291
02:14:02,400 --> 02:14:04,400
at it and says, "Yeah, he gets that 10

3292
02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:06,480
bucks." And then it moves to the council

3293
02:14:06,480 --> 02:14:08,800
who then reviews it again and says,

3294
02:14:08,800 --> 02:14:10,400
"Okay, it looks like Joe gets his 10

3295
02:14:10,400 --> 02:14:13,280
bucks." Right? And that's that's the

3296
02:14:13,280 --> 02:14:14,960
manager in the scenario we're talking

3297
02:14:14,960 --> 02:14:16,880
about isn't approving a warrant and

3298
02:14:16,880 --> 02:14:18,560
they're not signing a check. They're

3299
02:14:18,560 --> 02:14:19,920
just making sure that piece of paper

3300
02:14:19,920 --> 02:14:22,480
gets to the next person in a separation

3301
02:14:22,480 --> 02:14:24,560
in a way that separates the duties. So

3302
02:14:24,560 --> 02:14:26,239
that way that person the next person

3303
02:14:26,239 --> 02:14:29,599
gets to do their part.

3304
02:14:29,599 --> 02:14:33,199
I guess I would just

3305
02:14:33,199 --> 02:14:34,560
maybe we should be a little clear about

3306
02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:36,320
that about the difference between

3307
02:14:36,320 --> 02:14:39,360
processing and and approving and what

3308
02:14:39,360 --> 02:14:41,280
that looks like and paying for everybody

3309
02:14:41,280 --> 02:14:43,920
because and actually the the part that I

3310
02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:45,679
was looking for is actually in section

3311
02:14:45,679 --> 02:14:47,840
15 which is duties of the city council

3312
02:14:47,840 --> 02:14:50,000
and it's the very final paragraph but it

3313
02:14:50,000 --> 02:14:52,239
is also talk about the city treasurer

3314
02:14:52,239 --> 02:14:55,119
there but so there's a lot I guess it

3315
02:14:55,119 --> 02:14:56,480
just speaks to my point that there's a

3316
02:14:56,480 --> 02:14:58,560
lot of places besides these that the

3317
02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:00,719
forum

3318
02:15:00,719 --> 02:15:04,639
that I think we would need to address if

3319
02:15:04,639 --> 02:15:05,920
we make those changes. But that's all

3320
02:15:05,920 --> 02:15:07,599
and I'm not speaking for it against the

3321
02:15:07,599 --> 02:15:09,280
changes. I'm just saying there's more

3322
02:15:09,280 --> 02:15:10,960
places than those two that I think we

3323
02:15:10,960 --> 02:15:12,800
need to.

3324
02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:18,390
>> Thank you.

3325
02:15:18,400 --> 02:15:21,280
» So Dave Rue, let me ask you a question

3326
02:15:21,280 --> 02:15:23,440
about process.

3327
02:15:23,440 --> 02:15:26,320
in the interest of being careful because

3328
02:15:26,320 --> 02:15:30,000
we want a proposal that is unassailable

3329
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:32,480
to go to the voters that is in

3330
02:15:32,480 --> 02:15:35,679
inherently and internally consistent.

3331
02:15:35,679 --> 02:15:38,880
Um is there a way that we can

3332
02:15:38,880 --> 02:15:41,119
uh act on this tonight that still allows

3333
02:15:41,119 --> 02:15:43,840
us to check for consistency before the

3334
02:15:43,840 --> 02:15:45,440
council takes final action on it next

3335
02:15:45,440 --> 02:15:50,149
week?

3336
02:15:50,159 --> 02:15:51,360
» That's assuming there's an

3337
02:15:51,360 --> 02:15:52,880
inconsistency.

3338
02:15:52,880 --> 02:15:54,560
Correct. That's that's

3339
02:15:54,560 --> 02:15:56,480
>> also assuming that the and this is not

3340
02:15:56,480 --> 02:15:58,320
going to be unassalable. So there's two

3341
02:15:58,320 --> 02:15:59,920
assumptions in your question.

3342
02:15:59,920 --> 02:16:01,440
>> Fair enough.

3343
02:16:01,440 --> 02:16:04,079
>> Not going to play out. Um, with that

3344
02:16:04,079 --> 02:16:05,840
said,

3345
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:12,719
um, I I can certainly check to see if

3346
02:16:12,719 --> 02:16:14,880
there's somewhere in the charter that

3347
02:16:14,880 --> 02:16:17,199
gives the city manager the authority to

3348
02:16:17,199 --> 02:16:20,079
override the treasurer's

3349
02:16:20,079 --> 02:16:24,239
uh, decision making as to the actual

3350
02:16:24,239 --> 02:16:26,159
expenditure of city funds, meaning

3351
02:16:26,159 --> 02:16:28,320
signing checks

3352
02:16:28,320 --> 02:16:30,800
because that seems to be what everyone

3353
02:16:30,800 --> 02:16:32,800
is concerned about.

3354
02:16:32,800 --> 02:16:36,479
is someone u writing checks without the

3355
02:16:36,479 --> 02:16:40,389
authority to do so

3356
02:16:40,399 --> 02:16:44,160
that I can come back on the 21st

3357
02:16:44,160 --> 02:16:48,080
or I'll have by Friday anyway a charter

3358
02:16:48,080 --> 02:16:51,840
that makes it clear whose job it is as a

3359
02:16:51,840 --> 02:16:54,240
backs stop on city funds going out the

3360
02:16:54,240 --> 02:16:58,549
door

3361
02:16:58,559 --> 02:17:01,040
» Hold on please I I just want to check in

3362
02:17:01,040 --> 02:17:03,200
with council

3363
02:17:03,200 --> 02:17:05,920
How would you like to manage this

3364
02:17:05,920 --> 02:17:08,880
council members?

3365
02:17:08,880 --> 02:17:11,280
>> I guess it's not entirely clear to me

3366
02:17:11,280 --> 02:17:21,110
that we need to do anything with this

3367
02:17:21,120 --> 02:17:23,519
» and in that

3368
02:17:23,519 --> 02:17:25,840
the city treasurer's office is not a

3369
02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:28,399
oneperson office.

3370
02:17:28,399 --> 02:17:36,549
There are two assistants there.

3371
02:17:36,559 --> 02:17:38,960
And if they need practical assistance

3372
02:17:38,960 --> 02:17:40,960
informally in terms of just getting the

3373
02:17:40,960 --> 02:17:43,760
job done, they they certainly can ask. I

3374
02:17:43,760 --> 02:17:49,349
don't think we need to have that

3375
02:17:49,359 --> 02:17:51,280
» Andrew and I looked at this as another

3376
02:17:51,280 --> 02:17:53,920
set of eyes and it to process payroll

3377
02:17:53,920 --> 02:17:55,519
and look at more the the employee

3378
02:17:55,519 --> 02:17:57,920
benefits and tax results to make sure

3379
02:17:57,920 --> 02:18:00,240
everything is current with new employees

3380
02:18:00,240 --> 02:18:04,160
and that sort of thing. That's what I was looking at. I didn't I

3381
02:18:04,160 --> 02:18:06,559
didn't read into the this is signing

3382
02:18:06,559 --> 02:18:09,040
checks or anything. I just assisting

3383
02:18:09,040 --> 02:18:11,359
with a process

3384
02:18:11,359 --> 02:18:13,679
>> with a new hire to make sure you know

3385
02:18:13,679 --> 02:18:16,160
from from all their paper from tags with

3386
02:18:16,160 --> 02:18:18,160
home loans to include 401k make sure

3387
02:18:18,160 --> 02:18:20,160
everything is set up properly with the

3388
02:18:20,160 --> 02:18:25,349
employee for people

3389
02:18:25,359 --> 02:18:28,639
I guess I'm I'm questioning if this is

3390
02:18:28,639 --> 02:18:33,519
really needed in our charter

3391
02:18:33,519 --> 02:18:36,160
>> because isn't that just part of our the

3392
02:18:36,160 --> 02:18:41,030
responsibilities of those offices

3393
02:18:41,040 --> 02:18:43,040
» Joe you want to speak to

3394
02:18:43,040 --> 02:18:47,120
I I missed of the witch offices

3395
02:18:47,120 --> 02:18:49,840
>> of the city man. So I bet Andrew is what

3396
02:18:49,840 --> 02:18:52,559
you're saying is the city manager double

3397
02:18:52,559 --> 02:18:53,840
checking to make sure if there's a new

3398
02:18:53,840 --> 02:18:56,639
hire that everything's the pro that

3399
02:18:56,639 --> 02:18:58,080
everything's in Jim's office. Is that

3400
02:18:58,080 --> 02:18:58,719
what you're saying?

3401
02:18:58,719 --> 02:19:00,639
>> That

3402
02:19:00,639 --> 02:19:03,040
Yeah, that's how that's how I read that

3403
02:19:03,040 --> 02:19:07,359
is to ensure that the

3404
02:19:07,359 --> 02:19:09,439
payroll is set up properly with the

3405
02:19:09,439 --> 02:19:10,719
withholdings and stuff with the

3406
02:19:10,719 --> 02:19:13,840
paperwork. So all the withholdings that

3407
02:19:13,840 --> 02:19:16,319
should be done are set up properly. More

3408
02:19:16,319 --> 02:19:20,160
of a the first time of a for a new hire

3409
02:19:20,160 --> 02:19:21,519
to make sure everything's set up

3410
02:19:21,519 --> 02:19:24,479
properly as opposed to signing their

3411
02:19:24,479 --> 02:19:26,160
payroll checks.

3412
02:19:26,160 --> 02:19:28,559
>> I was looking at it more of a more of a

3413
02:19:28,559 --> 02:19:30,559
you know go down make sure hey this you

3414
02:19:30,559 --> 02:19:33,439
know this employee gets X Y and Z and it

3415
02:19:33,439 --> 02:19:36,000
should be this amount. Do you have just

3416
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:36,639
double check?

3417
02:19:36,639 --> 02:19:38,160
>> Right. I agree with you. So, I guess

3418
02:19:38,160 --> 02:19:40,719
what I'm saying is isn't that isn't that

3419
02:19:40,719 --> 02:19:43,280
just the role of being a supervisor or

3420
02:19:43,280 --> 02:19:45,120
in char you know the in charge of an

3421
02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:46,960
employee? Does it have to be stated

3422
02:19:46,960 --> 02:19:50,880
specifically in the charter?

3423
02:19:50,880 --> 02:19:52,800
>> Yeah. To speak to that, I was surprised

3424
02:19:52,800 --> 02:19:55,600
to see the treasurer shall process

3425
02:19:55,600 --> 02:19:58,720
payroll myself. Um, most most

3426
02:19:58,720 --> 02:20:01,840
communities that I I have worked with

3427
02:20:01,840 --> 02:20:03,520
and and know of don't. The treasurer

3428
02:20:03,520 --> 02:20:05,600
doesn't do that task. It's it's farmed

3429
02:20:05,600 --> 02:20:10,070
out to a separate employee.

3430
02:20:10,080 --> 02:20:12,960
» That's that's been discussed

3431
02:20:12,960 --> 02:20:17,510
before years back

3432
02:20:17,520 --> 02:20:19,439
» the possibility that someone else might

3433
02:20:19,439 --> 02:20:21,359
be preparing payroll for instance. Is

3434
02:20:21,359 --> 02:20:22,160
that what you're saying?

3435
02:20:22,160 --> 02:20:25,520
>> Contract payroll contract

3436
02:20:25,520 --> 02:20:28,080
>> uh not not nec I'm sorry

3437
02:20:28,080 --> 02:20:30,399
>> please. Um, not necessarily contract,

3438
02:20:30,399 --> 02:20:32,560
but I know Jim's the front office, even

3439
02:20:32,560 --> 02:20:34,160
with three staff, he's swamped right

3440
02:20:34,160 --> 02:20:36,479
now. If you go down there, you see poor

3441
02:20:36,479 --> 02:20:38,319
Robin just banging away at the computer

3442
02:20:38,319 --> 02:20:40,399
trying to, you know, catch your breath.

3443
02:20:40,399 --> 02:20:43,200
But, um, it would be nice if if the rest

3444
02:20:43,200 --> 02:20:45,439
of the staff instead of having a shall

3445
02:20:45,439 --> 02:20:48,160
have the treasurer shall do that to give

3446
02:20:48,160 --> 02:20:49,680
the option to let the rest of the staff

3447
02:20:49,680 --> 02:20:52,080
hover. It's just it seems like a

3448
02:20:52,080 --> 02:20:54,399
practical way to backs stop an employee

3449
02:20:54,399 --> 02:20:56,960
who's swamped. So Joe, if that's the

3450
02:20:56,960 --> 02:20:59,520
case, then I think a possible proposal

3451
02:20:59,520 --> 02:21:00,880
from you would be just to replace the

3452
02:21:00,880 --> 02:21:03,680
word shall with the word may. City

3453
02:21:03,680 --> 02:21:05,760
treasurer may process payroll, employee

3454
02:21:05,760 --> 02:21:07,439
benefits, and tax withholders.

3455
02:21:07,439 --> 02:21:09,200
>> But that creates another set of

3456
02:21:09,200 --> 02:21:09,760
problems.

3457
02:21:09,760 --> 02:21:12,160
>> Shall if you have two assistant

3458
02:21:12,160 --> 02:21:13,840
treasurers

3459
02:21:13,840 --> 02:21:18,640
um you know and cross train them um

3460
02:21:18,640 --> 02:21:20,399
because ultimately the treasurer's

3461
02:21:20,399 --> 02:21:23,200
office is responsible for all of that

3462
02:21:23,200 --> 02:21:25,359
>> and some somebody has to have a shallow

3463
02:21:25,359 --> 02:21:28,389
responsibility

3464
02:21:28,399 --> 02:21:30,800
and and historically that's the

3465
02:21:30,800 --> 02:21:33,840
treasurer's office. I mean Newport's not

3466
02:21:33,840 --> 02:21:35,680
big enough to have a separate, you know,

3467
02:21:35,680 --> 02:21:38,160
payroll

3468
02:21:38,160 --> 02:21:40,399
department.

3469
02:21:40,399 --> 02:21:41,520
>> Yeah.

3470
02:21:41,520 --> 02:21:43,760
>> Can I just say

3471
02:21:43,760 --> 02:21:45,600
>> Can I say something about payroll?

3472
02:21:45,600 --> 02:21:48,560
Newport stays payroll 40 hours in you

3473
02:21:48,560 --> 02:21:51,359
get $10 an hour. There's hundreds of

3474
02:21:51,359 --> 02:21:53,680
codes that have to be the payroll is

3475
02:21:53,680 --> 02:21:56,479
split up 25 or 30 different codes for

3476
02:21:56,479 --> 02:22:00,640
each person and we think about a day or

3477
02:22:00,640 --> 02:22:04,319
day and a half to just do the payroll.

3478
02:22:04,319 --> 02:22:06,720
Can I hold on hold on

3479
02:22:06,720 --> 02:22:08,160
>> I know I've taken a lot of air time

3480
02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:08,960
thanking the charter

3481
02:22:08,960 --> 02:22:10,160
>> Lori I see your hand

3482
02:22:10,160 --> 02:22:13,760
>> um when the charter was written in 198

3483
02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:16,640
1918 it was a whole other world right

3484
02:22:16,640 --> 02:22:18,720
this is the payroll and accounting is

3485
02:22:18,720 --> 02:22:21,280
nothing it's nothing like it used to be

3486
02:22:21,280 --> 02:22:23,600
so to keep to keep that process as

3487
02:22:23,600 --> 02:22:25,439
solely for a treasurer whose

3488
02:22:25,439 --> 02:22:28,960
responsibilities have also expanded um

3489
02:22:28,960 --> 02:22:32,399
it's a it's it's a very much outdated um

3490
02:22:32,399 --> 02:22:34,000
thought especially Especially with no

3491
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:36,640
hope at all from the outside.

3492
02:22:36,640 --> 02:22:39,600
>> Thank you, Charlie. And then I have

3493
02:22:39,600 --> 02:22:42,640
another one where fix

3494
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:47,600
shall oversee all of their

3495
02:22:47,600 --> 02:22:50,160
doesn't require them to do it, but it

3496
02:22:50,160 --> 02:22:53,040
requires them to know what's going on.

3497
02:22:53,040 --> 02:22:55,120
That would even allow them to contract

3498
02:22:55,120 --> 02:22:58,309
it.

3499
02:22:58,319 --> 02:22:59,840
» Joe, just out of curiosity, how do you

3500
02:22:59,840 --> 02:23:04,870
respond to that?

3501
02:23:04,880 --> 02:23:06,960
shall oversee

3502
02:23:06,960 --> 02:23:11,910
>> payroll process. I like the May better.

3503
02:23:11,920 --> 02:23:20,790
» Okay, Lori.

3504
02:23:20,800 --> 02:23:22,800
» Uh, I think I I think we're splitting

3505
02:23:22,800 --> 02:23:25,359
hairs because the charter is supposed to

3506
02:23:25,359 --> 02:23:29,040
be an overarching document of generally

3507
02:23:29,040 --> 02:23:30,560
what's supposed to be happening in the

3508
02:23:30,560 --> 02:23:33,840
city. We have a treasur's office. We're

3509
02:23:33,840 --> 02:23:37,359
talking about a person. And so I think

3510
02:23:37,359 --> 02:23:40,399
that's the first thing is are we talking

3511
02:23:40,399 --> 02:23:43,520
about the treasurer, whoever happens to

3512
02:23:43,520 --> 02:23:46,160
be that role. We're talking about the

3513
02:23:46,160 --> 02:23:49,120
whole office. The other piece is one of

3514
02:23:49,120 --> 02:23:51,040
the things that the financial task force

3515
02:23:51,040 --> 02:23:52,720
has been doing and I think we started

3516
02:23:52,720 --> 02:23:55,600
this last year is talking about the

3517
02:23:55,600 --> 02:23:58,000
segregation of docu segregation of

3518
02:23:58,000 --> 02:24:00,640
duties documents that say this office

3519
02:24:00,640 --> 02:24:03,120
says this and this office says that and

3520
02:24:03,120 --> 02:24:08,880
that's where we pull in the actual

3521
02:24:08,880 --> 02:24:10,960
um

3522
02:24:10,960 --> 02:24:12,720
what's the word I'm looking for the

3523
02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:15,600
actual duties the actual work that's

3524
02:24:15,600 --> 02:24:18,479
being done in those offices. So, I think

3525
02:24:18,479 --> 02:24:21,439
we're getting way off

3526
02:24:21,439 --> 02:24:25,120
um our whole thing tonight uh with this

3527
02:24:25,120 --> 02:24:27,439
because we're we're being too specific.

3528
02:24:27,439 --> 02:24:30,800
I mean, in my opinion, we're we're

3529
02:24:30,800 --> 02:24:32,080
laying out this is what he's going to

3530
02:24:32,080 --> 02:24:34,319
do. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And

3531
02:24:34,319 --> 02:24:36,560
this is like I said, this is for me like

3532
02:24:36,560 --> 02:24:38,560
a standard operating procedure. This is

3533
02:24:38,560 --> 02:24:41,359
how this is kind of an overarching

3534
02:24:41,359 --> 02:24:44,000
document of how it's in general what is

3535
02:24:44,000 --> 02:24:46,319
supposed to happen. and we really need

3536
02:24:46,319 --> 02:24:48,399
to look at policies and procedures based

3537
02:24:48,399 --> 02:24:50,720
on each office and that's where we can

3538
02:24:50,720 --> 02:24:53,920
get a little bit more uh in the weeds.

3539
02:24:53,920 --> 02:24:56,560
>> Thank you, Mar. And please keep it

3540
02:24:56,560 --> 02:25:00,870
brief.

3541
02:25:00,880 --> 02:25:02,800
Somebody would have to clarify it for

3542
02:25:02,800 --> 02:25:07,600
me, but um from what I'm hearing, uh it

3543
02:25:07,600 --> 02:25:09,920
sounds as if the city treasurer does

3544
02:25:09,920 --> 02:25:11,439
process

3545
02:25:11,439 --> 02:25:13,600
uh payroll, employee benefits, and tax

3546
02:25:13,600 --> 02:25:16,640
withholdings, but that information that

3547
02:25:16,640 --> 02:25:20,240
you have comes from somewhere.

3548
02:25:20,240 --> 02:25:22,399
Does it come from the city manager's

3549
02:25:22,399 --> 02:25:25,200
office? And is is what the city manager

3550
02:25:25,200 --> 02:25:26,800
doing

3551
02:25:26,800 --> 02:25:28,960
um preparing

3552
02:25:28,960 --> 02:25:33,600
um the individual employee salaries,

3553
02:25:33,600 --> 02:25:36,319
benefits, and tax withholdings and then

3554
02:25:36,319 --> 02:25:39,600
giving that information to Jim? I don't

3555
02:25:39,600 --> 02:25:41,280
know the answer to that. Is one

3556
02:25:41,280 --> 02:25:44,800
preparing the information and giving it

3557
02:25:44,800 --> 02:25:47,520
to Jim and Jim's processing it? If

3558
02:25:47,520 --> 02:25:49,200
that's so, those are the two different

3559
02:25:49,200 --> 02:25:51,439
words that should be used for it. If

3560
02:25:51,439 --> 02:25:55,520
not, what what is happening uh that gets

3561
02:25:55,520 --> 02:26:02,560
Jim that information about what is the pay of an employee, what are the

3562
02:26:02,560 --> 02:26:04,640
benefits of that employee, and what is

3563
02:26:04,640 --> 02:26:07,520
the tax withholding of the employee.

3564
02:26:07,520 --> 02:26:11,030
>> Thank you.

3565
02:26:11,040 --> 02:26:14,240
» Uh so Jim's office when it says process

3566
02:26:14,240 --> 02:26:16,240
payroll, that's literally what he does.

3567
02:26:16,240 --> 02:26:18,000
His office does when I say treasurer

3568
02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:19,680
Lori, I don't mean I don't mean Jim. I

3569
02:26:19,680 --> 02:26:20,800
mean the office of

3570
02:26:20,800 --> 02:26:21,840
>> right

3571
02:26:21,840 --> 02:26:25,600
>> um he's he in the computer program he

3572
02:26:25,600 --> 02:26:28,080
knows how many the employee hands Robin

3573
02:26:28,080 --> 02:26:29,520
a time sheet she punches that

3574
02:26:29,520 --> 02:26:31,439
information in which code goes to which

3575
02:26:31,439 --> 02:26:35,680
department and she pays it

3576
02:26:35,680 --> 02:26:38,160
>> and where does the the document come

3577
02:26:38,160 --> 02:26:41,600
from that um you codes from that they

3578
02:26:41,600 --> 02:26:42,240
code from

3579
02:26:42,240 --> 02:26:45,359
>> the employee the employee time sheet

3580
02:26:45,359 --> 02:26:46,479
>> the employee

3581
02:26:46,479 --> 02:26:48,319
>> employee time sheet

3582
02:26:48,319 --> 02:26:52,240
>> and is Does that come from you?

3583
02:26:52,240 --> 02:26:54,399
>> Come from the department. Come from the

3584
02:26:54,399 --> 02:26:55,920
department.

3585
02:26:55,920 --> 02:26:58,080
>> So, if I could if I could jump in,

3586
02:26:58,080 --> 02:27:01,359
please, let me just try this. You

3587
02:27:01,359 --> 02:27:04,080
um I like Charlie's word oversee. And

3588
02:27:04,080 --> 02:27:06,479
one possibility would simply to be to in

3589
02:27:06,479 --> 02:27:09,120
I'm in section E now, subsection E of

3590
02:27:09,120 --> 02:27:12,560
section 13. City treasurer shall oversee

3591
02:27:12,560 --> 02:27:15,120
the processing of payroll, employee

3592
02:27:15,120 --> 02:27:17,520
benefits, and tax withholdings. You

3593
02:27:17,520 --> 02:27:20,000
could say there the city treasurer in

3594
02:27:20,000 --> 02:27:22,720
cooperation with the city manager shall

3595
02:27:22,720 --> 02:27:25,120
oversee the processing of payroll

3596
02:27:25,120 --> 02:27:28,319
employee benefits and tax withholding.

3597
02:27:28,319 --> 02:27:30,319
And all we've done is create possibility

3598
02:27:30,319 --> 02:27:34,550
there

3599
02:27:34,560 --> 02:27:37,359
for collaboration and cooperation which

3600
02:27:37,359 --> 02:27:41,429
is what we're trying to encourage.

3601
02:27:41,439 --> 02:27:42,880
Great. because I'm kind of what I'm

3602
02:27:42,880 --> 02:27:46,240
stuck on is the to's point. What does

3603
02:27:46,240 --> 02:27:49,200
process mean with issue work?

3604
02:27:49,200 --> 02:27:53,600
The treasur shall issue payroll employee

3605
02:27:53,600 --> 02:27:56,720
benefits and tax tax withholdings.

3606
02:27:56,720 --> 02:27:58,399
Not trying to throw out another idea,

3607
02:27:58,399 --> 02:28:01,439
but when I thought about the budget

3608
02:28:01,439 --> 02:28:03,280
cycle,

3609
02:28:03,280 --> 02:28:05,680
I guess the most recent one, Carrie was

3610
02:28:05,680 --> 02:28:07,040
the one who was digging into the

3611
02:28:07,040 --> 02:28:09,200
employee benefits.

3612
02:28:09,200 --> 02:28:11,520
And that's not downstairs. that's

3613
02:28:11,520 --> 02:28:13,920
upstairs. And

3614
02:28:13,920 --> 02:28:17,200
so there I think and to Lor's point, I

3615
02:28:17,200 --> 02:28:19,120
think there is more work to be done

3616
02:28:19,120 --> 02:28:21,680
elsewhere on rectifying and trying to

3617
02:28:21,680 --> 02:28:23,600
clarify whose role is what. But

3618
02:28:23,600 --> 02:28:26,560
ultimately I would as a city council

3619
02:28:26,560 --> 02:28:29,439
person like to what you were saying

3620
02:28:29,439 --> 02:28:32,319
build in where we can have more checks

3621
02:28:32,319 --> 02:28:34,399
and balances but without necessarily

3622
02:28:34,399 --> 02:28:38,640
stripping the treasur's role and money

3623
02:28:38,640 --> 02:28:40,880
those waters but ultimately building in

3624
02:28:40,880 --> 02:28:43,200
more checks.

3625
02:28:43,200 --> 02:28:45,760
So I'm good with moving forward with

3626
02:28:45,760 --> 02:28:49,040
some language that you presented.

3627
02:28:49,040 --> 02:28:52,160
I I just say maybe Ann is asking who

3628
02:28:52,160 --> 02:28:53,680
decides what the salaries are and the

3629
02:28:53,680 --> 02:28:55,920
benefits. We don't do that. That comes

3630
02:28:55,920 --> 02:28:58,880
from Joe's office and the council. They

3631
02:28:58,880 --> 02:29:02,080
give us the information that we process.

3632
02:29:02,080 --> 02:29:03,359
>> And in the case of the police

3633
02:29:03,359 --> 02:29:05,359
department, it's the union contract,

3634
02:29:05,359 --> 02:29:05,760
>> right?

3635
02:29:05,760 --> 02:29:09,040
>> Yeah. Then contract police and work

3636
02:29:09,040 --> 02:29:11,920
contracts specify what and that wording

3637
02:29:11,920 --> 02:29:16,080
is in the chart under the city.

3638
02:29:16,080 --> 02:29:18,399
So Joe, let me just ask you. If we went

3639
02:29:18,399 --> 02:29:20,560
with something like that, does that does

3640
02:29:20,560 --> 02:29:22,880
that respond to your concern? The city

3641
02:29:22,880 --> 02:29:25,600
treasurer shall in consultation with the

3642
02:29:25,600 --> 02:29:29,120
city manager oversee the processing

3643
02:29:29,120 --> 02:29:37,590
of etc.

3644
02:29:37,600 --> 02:29:39,520
» We can work with that. Like like you

3645
02:29:39,520 --> 02:29:41,040
said, we would scuttle the whole process

3646
02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:42,800
for one,

3647
02:29:42,800 --> 02:29:44,720
>> right?

3648
02:29:44,720 --> 02:29:46,240
Council members, your opinion?

3649
02:29:46,240 --> 02:29:47,920
>> I think Sharon.

3650
02:29:47,920 --> 02:29:49,680
>> Well, I think this all I just think this

3651
02:29:49,680 --> 02:29:52,000
all goes in line with kind of what Laura

3652
02:29:52,000 --> 02:29:56,080
was saying. We're trying to tighten up

3653
02:29:56,080 --> 02:29:58,080
policies and procedures, and this is one

3654
02:29:58,080 --> 02:30:00,720
of those procedures. This is also a good

3655
02:30:00,720 --> 02:30:02,399
example of what the task force went

3656
02:30:02,399 --> 02:30:03,760
through all summer long and the rabbit

3657
02:30:03,760 --> 02:30:05,040
holes we would go down and the

3658
02:30:05,040 --> 02:30:11,760
conversations we would have. And remember, we are an overarching

3659
02:30:11,760 --> 02:30:13,920
document as well. We aren't there for

3660
02:30:13,920 --> 02:30:16,560
every minute detail

3661
02:30:16,560 --> 02:30:19,680
or as a micromanager of each of the

3662
02:30:19,680 --> 02:30:21,359
offices and departments.

3663
02:30:21,359 --> 02:30:22,240
>> Yes. And that's

3664
02:30:22,240 --> 02:30:24,319
>> so by saying

3665
02:30:24,319 --> 02:30:25,600
sorry

3666
02:30:25,600 --> 02:30:26,880
>> sorry I thought you were done if I

3667
02:30:26,880 --> 02:30:27,359
didn't mean

3668
02:30:27,359 --> 02:30:29,840
>> oh so no I was just so I'm kind of I'm

3669
02:30:29,840 --> 02:30:33,120
and and checks and balance was a up in

3670
02:30:33,120 --> 02:30:36,560
the forefront of our work and so in

3671
02:30:36,560 --> 02:30:41,040
consultation with works I say we we get

3672
02:30:41,040 --> 02:30:44,080
that in there and move on.

3673
02:30:44,080 --> 02:30:45,920
>> Yeah. All I was going to say is that a

3674
02:30:45,920 --> 02:30:47,600
lot a lot of this discussion really

3675
02:30:47,600 --> 02:30:50,720
falls into policies and procedures

3676
02:30:50,720 --> 02:30:51,840
and

3677
02:30:51,840 --> 02:30:53,840
financial task force recommendations. It

3678
02:30:53,840 --> 02:30:55,520
really doesn't rise to the level of the

3679
02:30:55,520 --> 02:30:56,800
charter

3680
02:30:56,800 --> 02:30:59,280
>> exactly. That's that's how I'm feeling,

3681
02:30:59,280 --> 02:31:01,520
but I didn't know if that was correct or

3682
02:31:01,520 --> 02:31:02,000
not.

3683
02:31:02,000 --> 02:31:03,680
>> Well, I think that I think one of the

3684
02:31:03,680 --> 02:31:06,640
issues is that

3685
02:31:06,640 --> 02:31:10,960
by saying that the city treasurer shall

3686
02:31:10,960 --> 02:31:14,080
process, it implies that no one else has

3687
02:31:14,080 --> 02:31:18,319
the authority to do has a say in that.

3688
02:31:18,319 --> 02:31:21,359
And so in reality the function of the

3689
02:31:21,359 --> 02:31:24,479
city in doing these things flows from

3690
02:31:24,479 --> 02:31:27,760
the city manager council city manager

3691
02:31:27,760 --> 02:31:30,800
treasurer to process. So by adding in

3692
02:31:30,800 --> 02:31:33,120
the in section E in consultation with

3693
02:31:33,120 --> 02:31:36,399
the city manager overseeing the process

3694
02:31:36,399 --> 02:31:40,240
it removes that u

3695
02:31:40,240 --> 02:31:42,080
inference that it's only the city

3696
02:31:42,080 --> 02:31:46,150
manager's responsibility.

3697
02:31:46,160 --> 02:31:48,240
Okay. If I remember correctly, we have a

3698
02:31:48,240 --> 02:31:49,439
motion on the table. I

3699
02:31:49,439 --> 02:31:52,319
>> need to amend it. I made it. I

3700
02:31:52,319 --> 02:31:54,720
>> Or you can just withdraw it as it. All

3701
02:31:54,720 --> 02:31:56,160
right. Withdraw it.

3702
02:31:56,160 --> 02:31:58,319
>> Does that work for the second? Did

3703
02:31:58,319 --> 02:31:59,760
anybody make a second?

3704
02:31:59,760 --> 02:32:00,160
>> No.

3705
02:32:00,160 --> 02:32:01,600
>> Yeah. Andrew did.

3706
02:32:01,600 --> 02:32:04,160
>> Andrew.

3707
02:32:04,160 --> 02:32:05,040
Okay.

3708
02:32:05,040 --> 02:32:08,080
>> Okay. So, I have a withdrawal of the

3709
02:32:08,080 --> 02:32:10,240
motion that's approved by the second.

3710
02:32:10,240 --> 02:32:10,640
>> And

3711
02:32:10,640 --> 02:32:13,359
>> would you like me to uh suggest

3712
02:32:13,359 --> 02:32:14,560
>> Yes, please. again.

3713
02:32:14,560 --> 02:32:15,920
>> Yes, please.

3714
02:32:15,920 --> 02:32:20,560
>> All right. So, uh that section 13E of

3715
02:32:20,560 --> 02:32:23,680
the draft charter

3716
02:32:23,680 --> 02:32:25,760
read, "The city treasurer in

3717
02:32:25,760 --> 02:32:28,479
consultation with the city manager shall

3718
02:32:28,479 --> 02:32:30,960
oversee the processing of payroll,

3719
02:32:30,960 --> 02:32:33,439
employee benefits, and tax reporting."

3720
02:32:33,439 --> 02:32:35,120
>> I will make that motion. Thank you,

3721
02:32:35,120 --> 02:32:36,720
Danny, for bringing that up.

3722
02:32:36,720 --> 02:32:37,600
>> I have a motion,

3723
02:32:37,600 --> 02:32:38,240
>> a second,

3724
02:32:38,240 --> 02:32:40,479
>> and a second. Any further discussion

3725
02:32:40,479 --> 02:32:42,399
about this?

3726
02:32:42,399 --> 02:32:44,720
All in favor, please say I. I.

3727
02:32:44,720 --> 02:32:47,439
>> Opposed. Opposed. Nay. That motion

3728
02:32:47,439 --> 02:32:49,600
carries. Now, Dave, do we need to look

3729
02:32:49,600 --> 02:32:51,760
to the section 28?

3730
02:32:51,760 --> 02:32:53,439
>> Yeah, I would make a I would suggest

3731
02:32:53,439 --> 02:32:57,359
that uh the counselor make a motion to

3732
02:32:57,359 --> 02:33:00,399
amend section 28A

3733
02:33:00,399 --> 02:33:04,560
6. So it reads to keep the city council

3734
02:33:04,560 --> 02:33:06,720
fully advised of the financial condition

3735
02:33:06,720 --> 02:33:10,800
of the city and its future needs and in

3736
02:33:10,800 --> 02:33:13,680
consultation with the city treasurer

3737
02:33:13,680 --> 02:33:17,359
comma oversee the processing of payroll

3738
02:33:17,359 --> 02:33:20,399
employee benefits and tax withholdings.

3739
02:33:20,399 --> 02:33:24,399
>> So I've got a motion and a second. Any

3740
02:33:24,399 --> 02:33:27,439
questions about this?

3741
02:33:27,439 --> 02:33:30,479
Yeah, I'm I'm concerned

3742
02:33:30,479 --> 02:33:32,880
with um

3743
02:33:32,880 --> 02:33:36,960
two people overseeing when one pe one

3744
02:33:36,960 --> 02:33:39,200
person is responsible for a certain part

3745
02:33:39,200 --> 02:33:43,120
of it of a city treasurer. We've made

3746
02:33:43,120 --> 02:33:46,640
responsible for um keeping you know the

3747
02:33:46,640 --> 02:33:49,359
council apprised with respect to the

3748
02:33:49,359 --> 02:33:51,920
situation with respect to warrants and

3749
02:33:51,920 --> 02:33:54,800
he's certifying that warrants. uh

3750
02:33:54,800 --> 02:33:56,880
there's money in the bank to pay them,

3751
02:33:56,880 --> 02:34:01,600
etc. And now some of that might be going

3752
02:34:01,600 --> 02:34:04,000
over to the city manager, which he

3753
02:34:04,000 --> 02:34:08,000
didn't we the um the charter next day,

3754
02:34:08,000 --> 02:34:09,760
the city manager.

3755
02:34:09,760 --> 02:34:11,680
>> Okay. I think

3756
02:34:11,680 --> 02:34:14,240
>> you're in the wrong section, man.

3757
02:34:14,240 --> 02:34:14,880
>> I'm sorry.

3758
02:34:14,880 --> 02:34:16,560
>> The city manager who keeps the city

3759
02:34:16,560 --> 02:34:18,399
council fully advised of the financial

3760
02:34:18,399 --> 02:34:20,160
condition of the city,

3761
02:34:20,160 --> 02:34:21,600
>> not the treasurer.

3762
02:34:21,600 --> 02:34:23,920
>> Yes. Yes. But now you're are writing and

3763
02:34:23,920 --> 02:34:25,840
in consultation

3764
02:34:25,840 --> 02:34:28,080
oversee

3765
02:34:28,080 --> 02:34:30,319
>> and that means the city manager is

3766
02:34:30,319 --> 02:34:33,200
overseeing the same thing that is the

3767
02:34:33,200 --> 02:34:36,160
treasurer's uh that

3768
02:34:36,160 --> 02:34:38,080
>> I I hear the point. I hear your point.

3769
02:34:38,080 --> 02:34:38,960
>> Okay.

3770
02:34:38,960 --> 02:34:41,920
>> And it seems it seems like a fairly easy

3771
02:34:41,920 --> 02:34:44,960
fix because we're not proposing here

3772
02:34:44,960 --> 02:34:47,840
that the city manager is responsible for

3773
02:34:47,840 --> 02:34:49,600
the processing at the end of the day.

3774
02:34:49,600 --> 02:34:51,439
They're responsible for consulting with

3775
02:34:51,439 --> 02:34:52,319
and supporting.

3776
02:34:52,319 --> 02:34:53,840
>> It's just a system.

3777
02:34:53,840 --> 02:34:56,240
>> Yeah. So, you know, in that in that way

3778
02:34:56,240 --> 02:34:58,720
it could read and in uh and consulting

3779
02:34:58,720 --> 02:35:00,800
with the city treasurer in the

3780
02:35:00,800 --> 02:35:03,359
processing of payroll, etc.

3781
02:35:03,359 --> 02:35:04,720
>> Okay.

3782
02:35:04,720 --> 02:35:09,120
>> And consulting with the city manager.

3783
02:35:09,120 --> 02:35:10,960
>> No, with the city treasurer.

3784
02:35:10,960 --> 02:35:12,720
>> No, city treasurer

3785
02:35:12,720 --> 02:35:14,640
>> in the processing of payroll.

3786
02:35:14,640 --> 02:35:16,960
employee

3787
02:35:16,960 --> 02:35:18,800
benefits and tax holdings. So the motion

3788
02:35:18,800 --> 02:35:23,520
would read to amend 28A6

3789
02:35:23,520 --> 02:35:25,439
to keep the city council fully advised

3790
02:35:25,439 --> 02:35:27,040
of the financial condition of the city

3791
02:35:27,040 --> 02:35:30,640
and its future needs and consulting with

3792
02:35:30,640 --> 02:35:33,120
the city treasurer in the processing of

3793
02:35:33,120 --> 02:35:35,600
payroll employee benefits and tax

3794
02:35:35,600 --> 02:35:38,640
withholdings. almost sorry for for

3795
02:35:38,640 --> 02:35:40,160
Jennifer's sake what it needs to read

3796
02:35:40,160 --> 02:35:43,040
and to consult with

3797
02:35:43,040 --> 02:35:44,560
because otherwise you've got a consult

3798
02:35:44,560 --> 02:35:47,120
you've got a to keep and a consulting

3799
02:35:47,120 --> 02:35:48,399
they don't match

3800
02:35:48,399 --> 02:35:49,680
>> right so it would read

3801
02:35:49,680 --> 02:35:50,560
>> yeah okay

3802
02:35:50,560 --> 02:35:51,760
>> see it

3803
02:35:51,760 --> 02:35:53,520
>> so read it one more time for us Dave

3804
02:35:53,520 --> 02:35:54,560
please

3805
02:35:54,560 --> 02:35:58,800
>> to keep the city council this is 28A6

3806
02:35:58,800 --> 02:36:00,720
to keep the city council fully advised

3807
02:36:00,720 --> 02:36:02,479
of the financial condition of the city

3808
02:36:02,479 --> 02:36:06,000
and its future needs and to consult with

3809
02:36:06,000 --> 02:36:09,040
the city treasurer in the processing of

3810
02:36:09,040 --> 02:36:11,439
payroll, employee benefits, and tax

3811
02:36:11,439 --> 02:36:12,160
withholdings.

3812
02:36:12,160 --> 02:36:14,319
>> There it is. Is there somebody would

3813
02:36:14,319 --> 02:36:18,469
like to make that motion?

3814
02:36:18,479 --> 02:36:19,840
» Okay.

3815
02:36:19,840 --> 02:36:21,200
>> And a second.

3816
02:36:21,200 --> 02:36:24,960
>> Any further discussion about this item?

3817
02:36:24,960 --> 02:36:27,520
>> All those in favor, please say I.

3818
02:36:27,520 --> 02:36:31,359
>> Opposed? Nay. The motion carries.

3819
02:36:31,359 --> 02:36:34,080
Okay. Now, what we're going to do is go

3820
02:36:34,080 --> 02:36:36,080
back

3821
02:36:36,080 --> 02:36:38,560
to the very beginning and we're just

3822
02:36:38,560 --> 02:36:40,000
going to go I'm not going to read it.

3823
02:36:40,000 --> 02:36:41,200
We're just going to go to make sure

3824
02:36:41,200 --> 02:36:42,800
everyone has had a chance to say their

3825
02:36:42,800 --> 02:36:45,200
piece about anything in here. We're

3826
02:36:45,200 --> 02:36:47,760
going to go section by section and I'm

3827
02:36:47,760 --> 02:36:49,120
just going to pause and ask if the

3828
02:36:49,120 --> 02:36:50,720
council members or any member of the

3829
02:36:50,720 --> 02:36:52,800
charter task force or the community has

3830
02:36:52,800 --> 02:36:56,800
anything left to add or suggest. Okay.

3831
02:36:56,800 --> 02:36:59,200
So, beginning with section one,

3832
02:36:59,200 --> 02:37:00,640
establishment of the city, are there any

3833
02:37:00,640 --> 02:37:02,240
further changes that people would like

3834
02:37:02,240 --> 02:37:06,479
to contemplate? Hearing

3835
02:37:06,479 --> 02:37:09,120
none. Section two, uh, that's actually

3836
02:37:09,120 --> 02:37:11,280
transitional provisions, so there's

3837
02:37:11,280 --> 02:37:13,280
nothing there. Section three, city

3838
02:37:13,280 --> 02:37:14,800
boundaries and corporate powers. There's

3839
02:37:14,800 --> 02:37:19,349
been no change proposed.

3840
02:37:19,359 --> 02:37:21,120
Section four, form of government and

3841
02:37:21,120 --> 02:37:23,040
voter qualifications. We worked on this

3842
02:37:23,040 --> 02:37:25,520
a lot at our last meeting. Are there any

3843
02:37:25,520 --> 02:37:27,439
other concerns or or questions that

3844
02:37:27,439 --> 02:37:33,910
people would like to raise?

3845
02:37:33,920 --> 02:37:35,760
Section five on the warning and

3846
02:37:35,760 --> 02:37:38,800
convening of annual meeting.

3847
02:37:38,800 --> 02:37:41,040
It has four sections A, B, C, and D in

3848
02:37:41,040 --> 02:37:44,640
there. Subsections. Any concerns or

3849
02:37:44,640 --> 02:37:45,840
questions that folks would like to

3850
02:37:45,840 --> 02:37:49,429
raise?

3851
02:37:49,439 --> 02:37:52,160
Section six, election term appointment

3852
02:37:52,160 --> 02:37:55,200
recall and removal of city officers.

3853
02:37:55,200 --> 02:37:59,520
This has an A, B, C,

3854
02:37:59,520 --> 02:38:02,240
and D. each with sub points. Are there

3855
02:38:02,240 --> 02:38:04,640
any further changes? And I'll just pause

3856
02:38:04,640 --> 02:38:05,760
there for a moment. I don't want to get

3857
02:38:05,760 --> 02:38:07,760
going too fast.

3858
02:38:07,760 --> 02:38:17,030
Come on.

3859
02:38:17,040 --> 02:38:21,120
» So, I'm Robert from Newport. I'm also on

3860
02:38:21,120 --> 02:38:26,880
um the school board. And um

3861
02:38:26,880 --> 02:38:30,240
I know that you had the task force had a

3862
02:38:30,240 --> 02:38:32,560
couple people come into the school board

3863
02:38:32,560 --> 02:38:35,359
um to a meeting. I think it was very

3864
02:38:35,359 --> 02:38:37,040
last minute. They were they were invited

3865
02:38:37,040 --> 02:38:38,800
to the task meeting and I don't know

3866
02:38:38,800 --> 02:38:44,240
that all of their what they um all the

3867
02:38:44,240 --> 02:38:46,560
thoughts were

3868
02:38:46,560 --> 02:38:49,359
shared at that meeting because it was so

3869
02:38:49,359 --> 02:38:51,439
quick that they were invited to that

3870
02:38:51,439 --> 02:38:55,280
meeting. So, um I'm seeing where you're

3871
02:38:55,280 --> 02:38:59,520
at with this. Um, so I feel like we're a

3872
02:38:59,520 --> 02:39:02,880
little behind on getting our thoughts

3873
02:39:02,880 --> 02:39:06,479
into this charter. Uh, but I do think

3874
02:39:06,479 --> 02:39:08,720
that I

3875
02:39:08,720 --> 02:39:10,720
as a school board, we just met, which is

3876
02:39:10,720 --> 02:39:12,319
why I was like getting to this meeting

3877
02:39:12,319 --> 02:39:16,000
because our our meetings conflict. Um,

3878
02:39:16,000 --> 02:39:18,880
but I do think we we did talk about it

3879
02:39:18,880 --> 02:39:21,600
in our school board meeting. we would uh

3880
02:39:21,600 --> 02:39:26,880
appreciate the um the time to to put our

3881
02:39:26,880 --> 02:39:28,640
thoughts together and bring them

3882
02:39:28,640 --> 02:39:31,760
forward. Um

3883
02:39:31,760 --> 02:39:33,680
so that's where I would like to leave it

3884
02:39:33,680 --> 02:39:35,439
tonight. I just want to voice that the

3885
02:39:35,439 --> 02:39:38,880
school board has not um done due

3886
02:39:38,880 --> 02:39:41,200
diligence with the this charter and I

3887
02:39:41,200 --> 02:39:43,040
don't feel like we were given that

3888
02:39:43,040 --> 02:39:48,160
opportunity um for that.

3889
02:39:48,160 --> 02:39:50,319
>> Thank you.

3890
02:39:50,319 --> 02:39:53,280
Gabriu, is there

3891
02:39:53,280 --> 02:39:56,960
is it possible is it within our

3892
02:39:56,960 --> 02:39:59,120
uh power to

3893
02:39:59,120 --> 02:40:02,640
uh hold out this section for final

3894
02:40:02,640 --> 02:40:06,000
conversation at the next meeting

3895
02:40:06,000 --> 02:40:08,240
um and final decisions based on anything

3896
02:40:08,240 --> 02:40:10,880
that the school board members would

3897
02:40:10,880 --> 02:40:14,550
bring forward.

3898
02:40:14,560 --> 02:40:17,600
I'm not sure you have an opportunity to

3899
02:40:17,600 --> 02:40:21,120
warrant another public hearing

3900
02:40:21,120 --> 02:40:24,720
to consider those changes.

3901
02:40:24,720 --> 02:40:25,840
>> That's what I was afraid you were going

3902
02:40:25,840 --> 02:40:27,439
to say.

3903
02:40:27,439 --> 02:40:29,760
>> Wait,

3904
02:40:29,760 --> 02:40:35,040
Sharon. Well, yeah. I take I take um

3905
02:40:35,040 --> 02:40:37,359
offense isn't really the right word, but

3906
02:40:37,359 --> 02:40:40,640
I need to know for my own use here what

3907
02:40:40,640 --> 02:40:43,439
exactly

3908
02:40:43,439 --> 02:40:46,479
isn't setting well because

3909
02:40:46,479 --> 02:40:49,439
the school has always been in the

3910
02:40:49,439 --> 02:40:54,319
charter. The school is the current

3911
02:40:54,319 --> 02:40:57,120
charter that we live by

3912
02:40:57,120 --> 02:41:00,560
that was developed back years ago has

3913
02:41:00,560 --> 02:41:04,560
always been there. It has not changed

3914
02:41:04,560 --> 02:41:06,800
and now I think if anything it's just

3915
02:41:06,800 --> 02:41:08,960
making it more modern and up to-date

3916
02:41:08,960 --> 02:41:12,000
with what current practice is.

3917
02:41:12,000 --> 02:41:14,960
So I guess I'm a little confused.

3918
02:41:14,960 --> 02:41:24,230
you want to speak to that?

3919
02:41:24,240 --> 02:41:29,280
» Uh so I think um two things uh that

3920
02:41:29,280 --> 02:41:32,479
again we we haven't gone through it old

3921
02:41:32,479 --> 02:41:35,040
versus new um to the detail that we

3922
02:41:35,040 --> 02:41:38,960
probably need to. Um, but one of them is

3923
02:41:38,960 --> 02:41:43,680
how uh we're electing and appointing uh

3924
02:41:43,680 --> 02:41:46,080
school board members and I think the

3925
02:41:46,080 --> 02:41:48,000
other is

3926
02:41:48,000 --> 02:41:51,600
uh the new lease that we put into place

3927
02:41:51,600 --> 02:41:54,800
um with the the school.

3928
02:41:54,800 --> 02:41:56,479
>> Okay. So, can we talk about the first

3929
02:41:56,479 --> 02:41:56,880
one?

3930
02:41:56,880 --> 02:41:59,359
>> Stay right there. Go ahead, Sharon.

3931
02:41:59,359 --> 02:42:01,439
>> I don't I don't know that if I'm in the

3932
02:42:01,439 --> 02:42:02,080
position to

3933
02:42:02,080 --> 02:42:06,080
>> Well, here's our problem. Tonight's our night. We really have to

3934
02:42:06,080 --> 02:42:07,040
make some decisions.

3935
02:42:07,040 --> 02:42:09,040
>> I mean, we had this conversation at

3936
02:42:09,040 --> 02:42:12,080
length with Mary Ellen and with Aaron

3937
02:42:12,080 --> 02:42:16,160
and I don't think there's anything that

3938
02:42:16,160 --> 02:42:18,960
that's surprising with I mean you still

3939
02:42:18,960 --> 02:42:21,600
have five board members. Correct.

3940
02:42:21,600 --> 02:42:22,479
>> We do. Yes.

3941
02:42:22,479 --> 02:42:23,600
>> Not now. Okay.

3942
02:42:23,600 --> 02:42:26,560
>> And it's all three year staggered term

3943
02:42:26,560 --> 02:42:28,319
and they're elected. Is that the only

3944
02:42:28,319 --> 02:42:32,240
time in the current charter that we have

3945
02:42:32,240 --> 02:42:33,840
now?

3946
02:42:33,840 --> 02:42:36,960
The current charter says that when you

3947
02:42:36,960 --> 02:42:40,399
have a position that's not able to be

3948
02:42:40,399 --> 02:42:43,120
filled, that's when the city council can

3949
02:42:43,120 --> 02:42:46,150
appoint.

3950
02:42:46,160 --> 02:42:48,800
That hasn't changed any. That's been

3951
02:42:48,800 --> 02:42:52,240
that way for almost 100 years.

3952
02:42:52,240 --> 02:42:54,399
Um, so that shouldn't be a surprise. is

3953
02:42:54,399 --> 02:42:56,720
I mean Charlie can say that he was

3954
02:42:56,720 --> 02:42:58,160
actually appointed to the high school

3955
02:42:58,160 --> 02:42:59,600
board when they were in the same

3956
02:42:59,600 --> 02:43:02,160
situation. So we always will have

3957
02:43:02,160 --> 02:43:04,640
elected board members. The only time the

3958
02:43:04,640 --> 02:43:07,200
appointed part comes in is when you

3959
02:43:07,200 --> 02:43:10,560
can't find somebody to fill a vacancy.

3960
02:43:10,560 --> 02:43:14,479
That's nothing new. I mean and I believe

3961
02:43:14,479 --> 02:43:19,510
that's state statute too, isn't it?

3962
02:43:19,520 --> 02:43:21,200
» I think that's only till the end of the

3963
02:43:21,200 --> 02:43:23,439
term.

3964
02:43:23,439 --> 02:43:27,120
So am I correct that the only items here

3965
02:43:27,120 --> 02:43:30,479
that are referring to the school board

3966
02:43:30,479 --> 02:43:32,800
school trustees in particular are are

3967
02:43:32,800 --> 02:43:36,640
subsection A and B

3968
02:43:36,640 --> 02:43:39,680
>> for this section for this section and

3969
02:43:39,680 --> 02:43:42,240
then there are some other sections

3970
02:43:42,240 --> 02:43:45,200
>> okay but am I also correct that there is

3971
02:43:45,200 --> 02:43:48,800
no substantive change between the

3972
02:43:48,800 --> 02:43:51,920
current charter and the proposed charter

3973
02:43:51,920 --> 02:43:55,840
in the language in A or B

3974
02:43:55,840 --> 02:43:57,840
is that is that let me ask the charter

3975
02:43:57,840 --> 02:44:01,279
task force members is there anything

3976
02:44:01,279 --> 02:44:02,080
>> go ahead

3977
02:44:02,080 --> 02:44:05,520
>> se section six is electionter term

3978
02:44:05,520 --> 02:44:07,920
appointment recall and removal of city

3979
02:44:07,920 --> 02:44:09,520
officers

3980
02:44:09,520 --> 02:44:12,640
that's what section six is and so that

3981
02:44:12,640 --> 02:44:16,319
is why school trustees is put in here

3982
02:44:16,319 --> 02:44:19,680
under a as the election and term of city

3983
02:44:19,680 --> 02:44:22,560
council members ers and school trustees

3984
02:44:22,560 --> 02:44:25,680
because we're all elected officials.

3985
02:44:25,680 --> 02:44:28,720
And then it gets into the in the

3986
02:44:28,720 --> 02:44:30,720
original charter, remember it's talked

3987
02:44:30,720 --> 02:44:32,720
about the first year we have two, then

3988
02:44:32,720 --> 02:44:35,920
we have three, and then D. And now that

3989
02:44:35,920 --> 02:44:39,680
we're established, an established city,

3990
02:44:39,680 --> 02:44:42,160
the city council has we have that

3991
02:44:42,160 --> 02:44:44,000
staggered out. And then the school

3992
02:44:44,000 --> 02:44:49,359
trustees is staggered out and all school

3993
02:44:49,359 --> 02:44:52,560
um officials aren't elected the same

3994
02:44:52,560 --> 02:44:54,319
year.

3995
02:44:54,319 --> 02:44:56,080
It's staggered. That's why we put the

3996
02:44:56,080 --> 02:44:57,840
word staggered in there so that you're

3997
02:44:57,840 --> 02:44:59,680
not electing five people in the same

3998
02:44:59,680 --> 02:45:03,030
year.

3999
02:45:03,040 --> 02:45:06,399
And then that's basic that's it in

4000
02:45:06,399 --> 02:45:09,439
section six for the school. Then the

4001
02:45:09,439 --> 02:45:13,120
school has its own section.

4002
02:45:13,120 --> 02:45:14,319
later on in the charter.

4003
02:45:14,319 --> 02:45:16,240
>> So, let's hold on. Let's hold on there.

4004
02:45:16,240 --> 02:45:17,680
Let's just I just want to talk about

4005
02:45:17,680 --> 02:45:19,680
section six.

4006
02:45:19,680 --> 02:45:22,080
It doesn't look to me

4007
02:45:22,080 --> 02:45:23,920
as if there's a substantial change here

4008
02:45:23,920 --> 02:45:26,880
from the current charter.

4009
02:45:26,880 --> 02:45:28,720
Am I missing something?

4010
02:45:28,720 --> 02:45:31,120
>> No, there is a section B that reverses

4011
02:45:31,120 --> 02:45:36,469
school

4012
02:45:36,479 --> 02:45:37,200
» in section

4013
02:45:37,200 --> 02:45:38,720
>> in vacancies

4014
02:45:38,720 --> 02:45:40,560
>> in section.

4015
02:45:40,560 --> 02:45:42,479
>> Yes. But it doesn't change from the

4016
02:45:42,479 --> 02:45:43,600
current meaning of the chart.

4017
02:45:43,600 --> 02:45:44,800
>> Doesn't change anything.

4018
02:45:44,800 --> 02:45:46,960
>> Right. Jennifer Hopkins,

4019
02:45:46,960 --> 02:45:49,200
>> they they are affected by section D,

4020
02:45:49,200 --> 02:45:51,439
which is that they could be kicked out

4021
02:45:51,439 --> 02:45:54,080
of office. But I think the discussion of

4022
02:45:54,080 --> 02:45:56,960
the charter committee was that that

4023
02:45:56,960 --> 02:46:03,670
would only be done by the school board.

4024
02:46:03,680 --> 02:46:04,640
» Yeah.

4025
02:46:04,640 --> 02:46:07,760
>> I think my answer at this point is that

4026
02:46:07,760 --> 02:46:09,439
we had the charter members come meet

4027
02:46:09,439 --> 02:46:13,200
with the board and there was a first

4028
02:46:13,200 --> 02:46:15,200
public hearing and we could even have

4029
02:46:15,200 --> 02:46:16,720
taken action tonight if there were a

4030
02:46:16,720 --> 02:46:18,960
clear proposal, but I don't think we

4031
02:46:18,960 --> 02:46:21,439
have time to try and we can't I I take

4032
02:46:21,439 --> 02:46:23,760
the the attorney's advice to heart, we

4033
02:46:23,760 --> 02:46:26,640
don't have the op the option of holding

4034
02:46:26,640 --> 02:46:28,080
off on trying to make decisions about

4035
02:46:28,080 --> 02:46:30,560
this part of the content.

4036
02:46:30,560 --> 02:46:32,800
So unless the council would like to

4037
02:46:32,800 --> 02:46:34,640
propose something different, my

4038
02:46:34,640 --> 02:46:36,960
recommendation is that we move on and we

4039
02:46:36,960 --> 02:46:38,479
pause for a moment when we get to that

4040
02:46:38,479 --> 02:46:40,640
later section 20 whatever it is

4041
02:46:40,640 --> 02:46:43,680
>> 27 and just have a conversation again

4042
02:46:43,680 --> 02:46:45,920
about it there for a moment.

4043
02:46:45,920 --> 02:46:47,680
>> Okay. Unless you see something here that

4044
02:46:47,680 --> 02:46:49,760
you think is different than the current

4045
02:46:49,760 --> 02:46:50,800
practice or

4046
02:46:50,800 --> 02:46:52,720
>> I would have to

4047
02:46:52,720 --> 02:46:54,800
>> release it. I mean there was there was

4048
02:46:54,800 --> 02:46:56,880
in fact due diligence in the sense that

4049
02:46:56,880 --> 02:46:58,960
the charter task force

4050
02:46:58,960 --> 02:46:59,520
>> met with

4051
02:46:59,520 --> 02:47:04,710
>> I think there was a

4052
02:47:04,720 --> 02:47:06,640
I think

4053
02:47:06,640 --> 02:47:09,279
there there was I don't want to say

4054
02:47:09,279 --> 02:47:12,800
understanding maybe

4055
02:47:12,800 --> 02:47:14,720
um

4056
02:47:14,720 --> 02:47:18,560
what do I want to say uh

4057
02:47:18,560 --> 02:47:20,960
like not clear understanding of what the

4058
02:47:20,960 --> 02:47:25,040
process would be and how

4059
02:47:25,040 --> 02:47:27,200
what was being what was going to be

4060
02:47:27,200 --> 02:47:29,680
recommended would come back to the

4061
02:47:29,680 --> 02:47:32,160
school board.

4062
02:47:32,160 --> 02:47:33,840
Okay. I apologize for the

4063
02:47:33,840 --> 02:47:37,269
miscommunication.

4064
02:47:37,279 --> 02:47:38,960
» Okay. Is there anything else that anyone

4065
02:47:38,960 --> 02:47:42,000
would like to address in section six?

4066
02:47:42,000 --> 02:47:48,870
I'd like to address car. Go ahead.

4067
02:47:48,880 --> 02:47:52,000
» So, it appears that the argument here

4068
02:47:52,000 --> 02:47:54,720
not having an additional u public

4069
02:47:54,720 --> 02:47:56,960
hearing is timeline. I'd like to know

4070
02:47:56,960 --> 02:47:59,520
what that timeline is that can't be

4071
02:47:59,520 --> 02:48:04,560
crossed. Uh also uh there's no prohibit

4072
02:48:04,560 --> 02:48:06,080
you're not prohibited from having a

4073
02:48:06,080 --> 02:48:09,040
third or fourth or fifth meeting. Uh if

4074
02:48:09,040 --> 02:48:13,040
it's only for the purpose of um holding

4075
02:48:13,040 --> 02:48:16,399
this vote on November 3rd,

4076
02:48:16,399 --> 02:48:19,279
uh that shouldn't be a restriction of

4077
02:48:19,279 --> 02:48:21,359
having another meeting. We're going to

4078
02:48:21,359 --> 02:48:24,240
another annual meeting in March. This

4079
02:48:24,240 --> 02:48:26,080
can be addressed. The charter can be

4080
02:48:26,080 --> 02:48:30,160
addressed then. Thank you,

4081
02:48:30,160 --> 02:48:31,600
council members. Anything else on

4082
02:48:31,600 --> 02:48:34,640
section six?

4083
02:48:34,640 --> 02:48:37,680
Okay. Section seven, mayor and council

4084
02:48:37,680 --> 02:48:39,920
members of city council. Any changes?

4085
02:48:39,920 --> 02:48:41,279
We've worked that section tonight. I

4086
02:48:41,279 --> 02:48:44,790
don't think there's anything

4087
02:48:44,800 --> 02:48:48,960
on excuse me on on seven. That should be

4088
02:48:48,960 --> 02:48:53,279
a city a special city meeting in on line

4089
02:48:53,279 --> 02:48:57,439
six if we're changing

4090
02:48:57,439 --> 02:49:01,520
um all of those to reflect it's an

4091
02:49:01,520 --> 02:49:05,120
annual meeting or the next special city

4092
02:49:05,120 --> 02:49:06,080
meeting.

4093
02:49:06,080 --> 02:49:07,680
>> Fair enough.

4094
02:49:07,680 --> 02:49:09,120
>> Somebody want to make that motion to add

4095
02:49:09,120 --> 02:49:10,479
the word city between special and

4096
02:49:10,479 --> 02:49:12,479
meeting in the six line.

4097
02:49:12,479 --> 02:49:13,920
>> I've got a motion from Andrew in a

4098
02:49:13,920 --> 02:49:15,600
second. Roger.

4099
02:49:15,600 --> 02:49:18,960
>> Section seven, line six,

4100
02:49:18,960 --> 02:49:20,880
>> adding the word city to special city

4101
02:49:20,880 --> 02:49:23,920
meeting. All those in favor say I.

4102
02:49:23,920 --> 02:49:24,479
>> I.

4103
02:49:24,479 --> 02:49:27,840
>> Oppose. Nay. Motion carries.

4104
02:49:27,840 --> 02:49:30,399
>> Just a point. I had corrections of the

4105
02:49:30,399 --> 02:49:34,399
city in the section six which David's

4106
02:49:34,399 --> 02:49:35,359
going to do. So

4107
02:49:35,359 --> 02:49:36,560
>> those will be brought up later.

4108
02:49:36,560 --> 02:49:38,399
>> Okay. So nobody's going to

4109
02:49:38,399 --> 02:49:39,760
>> if you've got anything covered that

4110
02:49:39,760 --> 02:49:41,279
comes up, please reassure us and we'll

4111
02:49:41,279 --> 02:49:43,680
move on. Okay. Thanks.

4112
02:49:43,680 --> 02:49:46,640
Okay, moving on to

4113
02:49:46,640 --> 02:49:48,800
what is now section eight, powers and

4114
02:49:48,800 --> 02:49:51,040
duties of the mayor. Are there any

4115
02:49:51,040 --> 02:49:52,720
concerns that people would like to raise

4116
02:49:52,720 --> 02:49:59,510
about this section?

4117
02:49:59,520 --> 02:50:02,000
Hearing none, section nine, mayoral

4118
02:50:02,000 --> 02:50:03,520
approval and council members

4119
02:50:03,520 --> 02:50:05,840
reconsideration of vetoed actions. We

4120
02:50:05,840 --> 02:50:07,600
worked this section tonight as well. Is

4121
02:50:07,600 --> 02:50:09,760
there anything further people would like

4122
02:50:09,760 --> 02:50:14,070
to add?

4123
02:50:14,080 --> 02:50:16,640
Okay. Section 10,

4124
02:50:16,640 --> 02:50:19,439
uh, which has new language, right? We've

4125
02:50:19,439 --> 02:50:22,160
already agreed on police and

4126
02:50:22,160 --> 02:50:22,560
>> what's it?

4127
02:50:22,560 --> 02:50:23,359
>> Fire protection.

4128
02:50:23,359 --> 02:50:26,479
>> And fire protection. Yes. Anything that

4129
02:50:26,479 --> 02:50:28,399
people would like to suggest in section

4130
02:50:28,399 --> 02:50:32,550
10.

4131
02:50:32,560 --> 02:50:34,880
Okay. Section 11, Board of Civil

4132
02:50:34,880 --> 02:50:37,439
Authority and Board of Abatement.

4133
02:50:37,439 --> 02:50:40,240
Any concerns here? Can we go back to 10

4134
02:50:40,240 --> 02:50:43,359
for just a moment? Only because the 10

4135
02:50:43,359 --> 02:50:46,240
that I received outside doesn't have the

4136
02:50:46,240 --> 02:50:49,279
doesn't have that fire department on it.

4137
02:50:49,279 --> 02:50:51,600
>> No, it's because we were working from

4138
02:50:51,600 --> 02:50:53,600
the proposal that was on the website

4139
02:50:53,600 --> 02:50:56,479
this week from the charter task force.

4140
02:50:56,479 --> 02:50:59,520
>> Oh, I'm sorry. That is so modified to

4141
02:50:59,520 --> 02:51:00,000
that.

4142
02:51:00,000 --> 02:51:00,560
>> Correct.

4143
02:51:00,560 --> 02:51:01,120
>> Appropriate.

4144
02:51:01,120 --> 02:51:02,319
>> Yes.

4145
02:51:02,319 --> 02:51:03,920
>> Okay. Section 11, Board of Civil

4146
02:51:03,920 --> 02:51:05,920
Authority and Board of Abatement. There

4147
02:51:05,920 --> 02:51:07,279
any concerns that people would like to

4148
02:51:07,279 --> 02:51:12,790
raise here?

4149
02:51:12,800 --> 02:51:22,710
Okay. Section 12, city clerk.

4150
02:51:22,720 --> 02:51:34,870
Section 13, city treasurer.

4151
02:51:34,880 --> 02:51:37,760
Let's see where are we? Section 14, City

4152
02:51:37,760 --> 02:51:48,230
Assessor.

4153
02:51:48,240 --> 02:51:50,479
Section 15.

4154
02:51:50,479 --> 02:51:51,840
Those are having a hard time keeping up

4155
02:51:51,840 --> 02:51:54,080
on that paper copy. We're on page 14.

4156
02:51:54,080 --> 02:51:57,279
Okay. Section 15, powers and duties of

4157
02:51:57,279 --> 02:52:01,429
the city council,

4158
02:52:01,439 --> 02:52:02,800
followed by all the things we don't get

4159
02:52:02,800 --> 02:52:04,240
to do anymore because we struck them

4160
02:52:04,240 --> 02:52:06,479
all. I was really looking forward to

4161
02:52:06,479 --> 02:52:11,110
monitoring what people wear to the peach

4162
02:52:11,120 --> 02:52:12,880
and

4163
02:52:12,880 --> 02:52:19,439
so I I didn't get to raise this at the

4164
02:52:19,439 --> 02:52:22,080
task force meeting uh but as the

4165
02:52:22,080 --> 02:52:24,880
conversations have gone on I I and then

4166
02:52:24,880 --> 02:52:27,040
I thought about it I thought you know

4167
02:52:27,040 --> 02:52:29,359
maybe as a

4168
02:52:29,359 --> 02:52:30,960
in

4169
02:52:30,960 --> 02:52:35,920
uh to what the city um council should be

4170
02:52:35,920 --> 02:52:38,319
doing is something that would have

4171
02:52:38,319 --> 02:52:41,040
prevented a lot of our problems and

4172
02:52:41,040 --> 02:52:43,520
that's one of the things that we thought

4173
02:52:43,520 --> 02:52:46,560
about being proactive in making this

4174
02:52:46,560 --> 02:52:48,720
charter. One of the things that would

4175
02:52:48,720 --> 02:52:53,040
have helped us is if the council had to

4176
02:52:53,040 --> 02:52:57,120
approve every time monies were removed

4177
02:52:57,120 --> 02:53:01,359
from a restricted fund, an unrestricted

4178
02:53:01,359 --> 02:53:03,040
fund

4179
02:53:03,040 --> 02:53:06,319
or a we don't have any that I now, but

4180
02:53:06,319 --> 02:53:08,640
we might have one eventually, a reserve

4181
02:53:08,640 --> 02:53:10,240
fund.

4182
02:53:10,240 --> 02:53:12,399
So that before monies could be removed

4183
02:53:12,399 --> 02:53:15,279
from any of those funds, you would you

4184
02:53:15,279 --> 02:53:17,279
would the council would have to approve

4185
02:53:17,279 --> 02:53:20,160
it and we would know and and know what

4186
02:53:20,160 --> 02:53:22,720
the new balance is in those funds and

4187
02:53:22,720 --> 02:53:26,160
know why the money had been removed from

4188
02:53:26,160 --> 02:53:28,960
those funds because what happened over

4189
02:53:28,960 --> 02:53:32,000
about a 10-year period as you recall is

4190
02:53:32,000 --> 02:53:34,800
unbeknownsted I think unnowns to the

4191
02:53:34,800 --> 02:53:37,279
public unbeknownst to I think the

4192
02:53:37,279 --> 02:53:39,840
council

4193
02:53:39,840 --> 02:53:42,479
those funds were depleted and then there

4194
02:53:42,479 --> 02:53:44,560
was hardly any money left when you were

4195
02:53:44,560 --> 02:53:46,319
looking around at the last minute and

4196
02:53:46,319 --> 02:53:48,800
there was a deficit. It was hardly any

4197
02:53:48,800 --> 02:53:51,279
monies left in any of those funds to

4198
02:53:51,279 --> 02:53:53,760
take and then Chip came along and

4199
02:53:53,760 --> 02:53:57,120
helpfully move them out and uh that made

4200
02:53:57,120 --> 02:54:00,399
our debt a little bit smaller.

4201
02:54:00,399 --> 02:54:02,399
But I think there needs to be active

4202
02:54:02,399 --> 02:54:05,120
monitoring of any funds. We don't have

4203
02:54:05,120 --> 02:54:07,600
any right now. I mean, I don't think

4204
02:54:07,600 --> 02:54:10,000
there's hardly any funds that we have

4205
02:54:10,000 --> 02:54:12,160
put money into this year. And ship said,

4206
02:54:12,160 --> 02:54:13,920
you're not going to even be able to put

4207
02:54:13,920 --> 02:54:17,120
money in this year. So, I think all

4208
02:54:17,120 --> 02:54:20,800
those funds need to be monitored. And

4209
02:54:20,800 --> 02:54:24,640
having the city council approve every

4210
02:54:24,640 --> 02:54:27,120
withdrawal from any of those funds would

4211
02:54:27,120 --> 02:54:30,240
be a real help in that direction.

4212
02:54:30,240 --> 02:54:33,040
And it would be a simple sentence like

4213
02:54:33,040 --> 02:54:36,080
the city uh council

4214
02:54:36,080 --> 02:54:39,439
um must approve

4215
02:54:39,439 --> 02:54:42,240
any withdrawals from

4216
02:54:42,240 --> 02:54:45,680
restricted funds, unrestricted funds or

4217
02:54:45,680 --> 02:54:56,790
reserve funds.

4218
02:54:56,800 --> 02:55:04,870
Council

4219
02:55:04,880 --> 02:55:05,760
members, you have anything you want to

4220
02:55:05,760 --> 02:55:09,120
say about this? We get the reports now

4221
02:55:09,120 --> 02:55:12,319
that show all of the

4222
02:55:12,319 --> 02:55:21,030
to and from the various funds and

4223
02:55:21,040 --> 02:55:23,279
I don't think we should add that without

4224
02:55:23,279 --> 02:55:25,279
the financial task force really looking

4225
02:55:25,279 --> 02:55:28,160
at it and getting getting some input

4226
02:55:28,160 --> 02:55:32,479
from uh the city auditors andor chip.

4227
02:55:32,479 --> 02:55:34,399
>> Yeah, I was just thinking that we have a

4228
02:55:34,399 --> 02:55:37,840
meeting on Wednesday so we can it with

4229
02:55:37,840 --> 02:55:41,359
does the same timeline that school board

4230
02:55:41,359 --> 02:55:42,960
is.

4231
02:55:42,960 --> 02:55:44,880
>> Yeah. I mean, honestly, at this point,

4232
02:55:44,880 --> 02:55:46,479
that feels like a decision that could

4233
02:55:46,479 --> 02:55:48,240
have pretty significant implications.

4234
02:55:48,240 --> 02:55:50,080
And my answer would be the same one that

4235
02:55:50,080 --> 02:55:51,600
some of us just swallowed hard on in

4236
02:55:51,600 --> 02:55:54,319
section 20, which is if we're unhappy

4237
02:55:54,319 --> 02:55:55,840
with this two, three years down the

4238
02:55:55,840 --> 02:55:57,279
road, we can always come back and take

4239
02:55:57,279 --> 02:55:59,279
another crack at it.

4240
02:55:59,279 --> 02:56:02,160
But it feels like this is not the right

4241
02:56:02,160 --> 02:56:04,560
time to try and put language before us

4242
02:56:04,560 --> 02:56:07,359
that we hadn't considered in any way.

4243
02:56:07,359 --> 02:56:09,200
And I think I just want to correct the

4244
02:56:09,200 --> 02:56:12,960
narrative a smidgen. Um, and although I

4245
02:56:12,960 --> 02:56:16,479
agree with the intent and the what that

4246
02:56:16,479 --> 02:56:20,160
would usher is transparency and public

4247
02:56:20,160 --> 02:56:22,000
eyes on the moving of funds, which I

4248
02:56:22,000 --> 02:56:25,840
have no disagreement, but

4249
02:56:25,840 --> 02:56:29,040
the sinking funds snafu that we got, we

4250
02:56:29,040 --> 02:56:30,960
found ourselves in, it wasn't because

4251
02:56:30,960 --> 02:56:33,600
funds were removed

4252
02:56:33,600 --> 02:56:36,479
illicitly. They were never contributed

4253
02:56:36,479 --> 02:56:38,880
to. We never had the funds that the

4254
02:56:38,880 --> 02:56:40,800
budget said we did.

4255
02:56:40,800 --> 02:56:41,200
So

4256
02:56:41,200 --> 02:56:41,920
>> that's true.

4257
02:56:41,920 --> 02:56:44,319
>> Yeah. So can be both narratives. We had

4258
02:56:44,319 --> 02:56:46,000
this like sinking funds and what I think

4259
02:56:46,000 --> 02:56:48,399
you were striving for which I agree with

4260
02:56:48,399 --> 02:56:50,080
um and I think it's worthy of a more

4261
02:56:50,080 --> 02:56:52,960
in-depth conversation on how do we

4262
02:56:52,960 --> 02:56:57,200
ensure more eyes more accountability for

4263
02:56:57,200 --> 02:57:00,240
the movement of those funds. But what we

4264
02:57:00,240 --> 02:57:02,399
have been dealing with is just the lack

4265
02:57:02,399 --> 02:57:04,160
of the funds. It wasn't that they were

4266
02:57:04,160 --> 02:57:05,680
there at one point. It was just they

4267
02:57:05,680 --> 02:57:07,279
were never contributed into that number

4268
02:57:07,279 --> 02:57:10,319
that was on the budget sheet.

4269
02:57:10,319 --> 02:57:14,080
at all substantiated, but I think they

4270
02:57:14,080 --> 02:57:15,840
>> in any case, unless the council has a

4271
02:57:15,840 --> 02:57:17,520
stomach to take this on tonight, my

4272
02:57:17,520 --> 02:57:19,760
recommendation is that this one is not

4273
02:57:19,760 --> 02:57:21,279
we we don't have time to season it

4274
02:57:21,279 --> 02:57:25,510
appropriately.

4275
02:57:25,520 --> 02:57:27,760
Any other comments on this section?

4276
02:57:27,760 --> 02:57:31,279
Which section are you in here?

4277
02:57:31,279 --> 02:57:33,840
>> 15.

4278
02:57:33,840 --> 02:57:38,710
>> I did.

4279
02:57:38,720 --> 02:57:42,950
Thank you.

4280
02:57:42,960 --> 02:57:45,520
» Okay. Hearing no other comments. Moving

4281
02:57:45,520 --> 02:57:47,760
on to section 16, water and sewer

4282
02:57:47,760 --> 02:57:54,710
systems.

4283
02:57:54,720 --> 02:57:56,880
Section 17, sale, purchase, or lease of

4284
02:57:56,880 --> 02:58:04,070
cityowned property.

4285
02:58:04,080 --> 02:58:06,560
» So that one again. Oh, you want to come

4286
02:58:06,560 --> 02:58:14,309
back?

4287
02:58:14,319 --> 02:58:17,840
» This one again. I don't know if we have

4288
02:58:17,840 --> 02:58:23,359
a problem or not, but we do lease this.

4289
02:58:23,359 --> 02:58:26,240
We did get into a lease agreement with

4290
02:58:26,240 --> 02:58:28,240
the city for the school because of

4291
02:58:28,240 --> 02:58:33,359
insurance reasons, and it is like kind

4292
02:58:33,359 --> 02:58:35,439
of perpetual. I don't know if we put

4293
02:58:35,439 --> 02:58:37,840
years on it. I forget exactly how it was

4294
02:58:37,840 --> 02:58:40,560
worded. Um, but it does exceed that five

4295
02:58:40,560 --> 02:58:42,640
years. So, I don't know if we have a

4296
02:58:42,640 --> 02:58:43,920
conflict there.

4297
02:58:43,920 --> 02:58:46,560
>> That's a good question. So, who wants

4298
02:58:46,560 --> 02:58:49,279
>> to

4299
02:58:49,279 --> 02:58:51,600
have a one-year lease?

4300
02:58:51,600 --> 02:58:52,640
>> Renewable.

4301
02:58:52,640 --> 02:58:55,279
every year. And we have the

4302
02:58:55,279 --> 02:58:59,520
lease. We asked um Carrie to fund it for

4303
02:58:59,520 --> 02:59:03,040
us and and we we read the lease over at

4304
02:59:03,040 --> 02:59:05,279
our task force meeting.

4305
02:59:05,279 --> 02:59:07,279
So for my verification, who's the

4306
02:59:07,279 --> 02:59:08,800
landlord? Who's the tenant? Which way

4307
02:59:08,800 --> 02:59:09,600
does it go?

4308
02:59:09,600 --> 02:59:12,399
>> So the city is the landlord, right?

4309
02:59:12,399 --> 02:59:13,600
>> The school is the tenant.

4310
02:59:13,600 --> 02:59:15,520
>> City own city owns the property. And

4311
02:59:15,520 --> 02:59:17,760
that's why we have to do a lease because

4312
02:59:17,760 --> 02:59:21,279
otherwise the city may have premises

4313
02:59:21,279 --> 02:59:24,720
liability uh absent the the existence of

4314
02:59:24,720 --> 02:59:26,800
the lease. And so

4315
02:59:26,800 --> 02:59:28,880
>> the building is owned by

4316
02:59:28,880 --> 02:59:31,359
>> if I understand it, letter C there says

4317
02:59:31,359 --> 02:59:33,040
the city council may lease city owned

4318
02:59:33,040 --> 02:59:35,120
real estate for a term not exceeding

4319
02:59:35,120 --> 02:59:37,200
five years.

4320
02:59:37,200 --> 02:59:38,720
>> Right? So if these are one-year terms

4321
02:59:38,720 --> 02:59:40,000
and we just keep renewing them, then

4322
02:59:40,000 --> 02:59:42,640
there's no problem here. Okay. But it's

4323
02:59:42,640 --> 02:59:44,319
a good question that I didn't know the

4324
02:59:44,319 --> 02:59:46,720
answer to. So thank you.

4325
02:59:46,720 --> 02:59:51,269
Anything else in section 17?

4326
02:59:51,279 --> 02:59:53,359
Okay. City section 18 on city

4327
02:59:53,359 --> 02:59:58,230
expenditures.

4328
02:59:58,240 --> 03:00:01,439
Okay. City 19, assessment, I'm sorry,

4329
03:00:01,439 --> 03:00:03,840
section 19, assessment of of taxes on

4330
03:00:03,840 --> 03:00:08,870
grand list.

4331
03:00:08,880 --> 03:00:11,120
Section 20, revenues, credit, and

4332
03:00:11,120 --> 03:00:12,240
appropriations.

4333
03:00:12,240 --> 03:00:14,319
>> Yes, sir. Go ahead.

4334
03:00:14,319 --> 03:00:17,680
>> We we lost one thing in our rewrite of

4335
03:00:17,680 --> 03:00:19,040
20 that I think was actually really

4336
03:00:19,040 --> 03:00:20,800
beneficial for the city. And you said

4337
03:00:20,800 --> 03:00:22,960
want to set you up for success, not

4338
03:00:22,960 --> 03:00:24,479
failure, right?

4339
03:00:24,479 --> 03:00:30,240
uh old section C, new section D in the term when it when it talks about

4340
03:00:30,240 --> 03:00:32,720
the tall hazard event. Let's say a

4341
03:00:32,720 --> 03:00:34,640
tornado completely destroys the

4342
03:00:34,640 --> 03:00:37,279
wastewater treatment facility. That has

4343
03:00:37,279 --> 03:00:39,600
a very long life expectancy and we

4344
03:00:39,600 --> 03:00:41,200
shouldn't be forced to pay for its

4345
03:00:41,200 --> 03:00:43,600
entire reconstruction in 5 years, which

4346
03:00:43,600 --> 03:00:46,000
would really put a strain on the city if

4347
03:00:46,000 --> 03:00:48,240
it was if we could take out a 30, you

4348
03:00:48,240 --> 03:00:50,319
know, year note on it. I really liked

4349
03:00:50,319 --> 03:00:52,880
our old language that not more than five

4350
03:00:52,880 --> 03:00:54,960
years or a term not to exceed the

4351
03:00:54,960 --> 03:00:57,279
reasonably anticipated useful life of

4352
03:00:57,279 --> 03:00:59,840
the emergency infrastructure services.

4353
03:00:59,840 --> 03:01:01,920
Uh if it wipes out something major, we

4354
03:01:01,920 --> 03:01:03,920
want may want to take longer to repay

4355
03:01:03,920 --> 03:01:06,479
that loan than 5 years. I feel like

4356
03:01:06,479 --> 03:01:10,309
that's

4357
03:01:10,319 --> 03:01:13,750
» logic.

4358
03:01:13,760 --> 03:01:16,880
» So do I hear you making a specific

4359
03:01:16,880 --> 03:01:20,000
suggestion, Travis? I I the only thing I

4360
03:01:20,000 --> 03:01:21,600
don't like about the old one is it

4361
03:01:21,600 --> 03:01:24,000
doesn't say what the new one or the the

4362
03:01:24,000 --> 03:01:27,040
B says that it's specifically to fund

4363
03:01:27,040 --> 03:01:29,200
emergency infrastructure or service

4364
03:01:29,200 --> 03:01:30,720
restoration. I'd like it if y'all put

4365
03:01:30,720 --> 03:01:33,600
that in there because it's not just a uh

4366
03:01:33,600 --> 03:01:36,640
you know freeforall. But if it was a big

4367
03:01:36,640 --> 03:01:38,479
expensive piece of infrastructure that

4368
03:01:38,479 --> 03:01:41,040
was destroyed, I think that that having

4369
03:01:41,040 --> 03:01:43,520
the debt service for the the life

4370
03:01:43,520 --> 03:01:45,840
expectancy is not unreasonable and

4371
03:01:45,840 --> 03:01:48,560
wouldn't put us in such financial strain

4372
03:01:48,560 --> 03:01:52,160
following an immediate emergency.

4373
03:01:52,160 --> 03:01:55,040
>> Does the state statute on all hazard

4374
03:01:55,040 --> 03:01:57,439
read more along the lines of the

4375
03:01:57,439 --> 03:01:59,520
original one five years or the term not

4376
03:01:59,520 --> 03:02:00,880
to exceed the reasonably?

4377
03:02:00,880 --> 03:02:02,479
>> It probably does, but I assume that

4378
03:02:02,479 --> 03:02:04,640
David put that in. So I assumed he

4379
03:02:04,640 --> 03:02:06,319
researched it before he did. So this

4380
03:02:06,319 --> 03:02:08,800
wasn't language that we created for the

4381
03:02:08,800 --> 03:02:12,000
>> state statute says five years

4382
03:02:12,000 --> 03:02:16,319
ago that some

4383
03:02:16,319 --> 03:02:18,720
>> I Danny had done a lot of research on

4384
03:02:18,720 --> 03:02:22,000
that particular hazard hazardous event

4385
03:02:22,000 --> 03:02:25,269
part.

4386
03:02:25,279 --> 03:02:28,800
» I'm looking it up right now.

4387
03:02:28,800 --> 03:02:30,319
>> Dave Rue, do you have an opinion about

4388
03:02:30,319 --> 03:02:39,190
this?

4389
03:02:39,200 --> 03:02:43,200
I am uh in favor of giving the city more

4390
03:02:43,200 --> 03:02:46,319
flexibility to address

4391
03:02:46,319 --> 03:02:49,120
uh infrastructure projects especially

4392
03:02:49,120 --> 03:02:52,240
after damages in an emergency. So you

4393
03:02:52,240 --> 03:02:55,279
know I would say up to 5 years of debt

4394
03:02:55,279 --> 03:02:58,399
service or for such other term not to

4395
03:02:58,399 --> 03:03:00,960
exceed the reasonably anticipated useful

4396
03:03:00,960 --> 03:03:02,560
life

4397
03:03:02,560 --> 03:03:05,760
uh for such emergency infrastructure or

4398
03:03:05,760 --> 03:03:07,359
services restoration. I'd have to word

4399
03:03:07,359 --> 03:03:09,439
sniff it again because it got a little

4400
03:03:09,439 --> 03:03:10,640
mixed up. But

4401
03:03:10,640 --> 03:03:13,439
>> but isn't that what it already says?

4402
03:03:13,439 --> 03:03:15,439
>> It says five years.

4403
03:03:15,439 --> 03:03:17,600
>> No, they took out the reasonably

4404
03:03:17,600 --> 03:03:19,520
anticipated useful life.

4405
03:03:19,520 --> 03:03:21,040
>> Yeah. The No,

4406
03:03:21,040 --> 03:03:22,560
>> the version did.

4407
03:03:22,560 --> 03:03:24,080
>> No, we didn't.

4408
03:03:24,080 --> 03:03:24,720
>> The version.

4409
03:03:24,720 --> 03:03:26,160
>> No, we did not. It's right there

4410
03:03:26,160 --> 03:03:29,600
>> in the section. In the in the update

4411
03:03:29,600 --> 03:03:32,080
>> in the update, Shar update. In the

4412
03:03:32,080 --> 03:03:33,840
update, we lost that language.

4413
03:03:33,840 --> 03:03:36,640
>> Yeah. And we voted on the update or they

4414
03:03:36,640 --> 03:03:39,279
voted on the

4415
03:03:39,279 --> 03:03:42,240
>> Yeah, the I'm looking at the 9826

4416
03:03:42,240 --> 03:03:44,960
copy of task force updates and it does

4417
03:03:44,960 --> 03:03:48,000
not say anything about emergency. We

4418
03:03:48,000 --> 03:03:49,680
really anticipated you. So like you also

4419
03:03:49,680 --> 03:03:51,840
took out declared state of emergency

4420
03:03:51,840 --> 03:03:53,760
which I don't like but I'm willing to go

4421
03:03:53,760 --> 03:03:55,279
along with it. The small house has drove

4422
03:03:55,279 --> 03:03:57,279
in is essentially the same thing,

4423
03:03:57,279 --> 03:04:00,960
>> right? That's why it came out.

4424
03:04:00,960 --> 03:04:03,840
>> Okay. So what I hear Travis saying and I

4425
03:04:03,840 --> 03:04:06,000
think I finally understand it is that

4426
03:04:06,000 --> 03:04:08,000
when we worked earlier for so long on

4427
03:04:08,000 --> 03:04:10,240
section 20,

4428
03:04:10,240 --> 03:04:12,960
we we adopted section we we allowed

4429
03:04:12,960 --> 03:04:15,600
section B to stand. the recommendation

4430
03:04:15,600 --> 03:04:17,760
that the council that the task force was

4431
03:04:17,760 --> 03:04:21,359
making and what I hear Travis saying is

4432
03:04:21,359 --> 03:04:24,240
that he prefers the language

4433
03:04:24,240 --> 03:04:26,080
from

4434
03:04:26,080 --> 03:04:30,960
>> section C in the order earlier version

4435
03:04:30,960 --> 03:04:32,720
>> and it's also self-limiting because

4436
03:04:32,720 --> 03:04:34,800
something that would cost that much is

4437
03:04:34,800 --> 03:04:36,240
going to last that long.

4438
03:04:36,240 --> 03:04:38,479
>> Understood. I understand the problem

4439
03:04:38,479 --> 03:04:40,880
now. So the fix for it if I'm not

4440
03:04:40,880 --> 03:04:43,200
mistaken Travis would be to simply

4441
03:04:43,200 --> 03:04:45,600
replace

4442
03:04:45,600 --> 03:04:48,960
Section C

4443
03:04:48,960 --> 03:04:51,200
from the charter amendments with

4444
03:04:51,200 --> 03:04:52,800
strithroughs and additions approved on

4445
03:04:52,800 --> 03:04:56,640
September 3rd with

4446
03:04:56,640 --> 03:04:58,319
replace B from the charter

4447
03:04:58,319 --> 03:05:00,720
recommendations from September 8th with

4448
03:05:00,720 --> 03:05:05,920
section C from the September 3rd version

4449
03:05:05,920 --> 03:05:07,120
that simple because you have to change

4450
03:05:07,120 --> 03:05:09,439
the subsection and they took they made

4451
03:05:09,439 --> 03:05:12,080
all hazard events plural

4452
03:05:12,080 --> 03:05:14,479
um and deleted declared a state of

4453
03:05:14,479 --> 03:05:15,200
emergency.

4454
03:05:15,200 --> 03:05:17,439
>> All right. So, let's fix it, Dave.

4455
03:05:17,439 --> 03:05:20,720
>> Well, yeah. So,

4456
03:05:20,720 --> 03:05:23,120
thanks, Mayor.

4457
03:05:23,120 --> 03:05:26,319
You're welcome. Okay. I got it. It's uh

4458
03:05:26,319 --> 03:05:31,120
here we go. It's going to say

4459
03:05:31,120 --> 03:05:35,439
take out service, I think. So,

4460
03:05:35,439 --> 03:05:38,469
um,

4461
03:05:38,479 --> 03:05:41,200
notwithstanding subsection A of this

4462
03:05:41,200 --> 03:05:44,479
section, in the case of all hazard

4463
03:05:44,479 --> 03:05:47,520
events as defined by state statute, the

4464
03:05:47,520 --> 03:05:51,600
city council may borrow up to five years

4465
03:05:51,600 --> 03:05:55,279
or sorry, may borrow not more than five

4466
03:05:55,279 --> 03:05:59,439
years may borrow for a period of not

4467
03:05:59,439 --> 03:06:02,479
more than five years. Sorry,

4468
03:06:02,479 --> 03:06:05,279
let me fix that.

4469
03:06:05,279 --> 03:06:08,160
May borrow for a period of not more than

4470
03:06:08,160 --> 03:06:10,960
five years or a term not to exceed the

4471
03:06:10,960 --> 03:06:13,920
reasonably anticipated useful life of

4472
03:06:13,920 --> 03:06:17,040
emergency infrastructure or services to

4473
03:06:17,040 --> 03:06:20,319
fund Oh, sounds reasonably anticipated

4474
03:06:20,319 --> 03:06:23,279
useful life to fund emergency

4475
03:06:23,279 --> 03:06:26,319
infrastructure services. I'll reread it.

4476
03:06:26,319 --> 03:06:28,479
Hold on.

4477
03:06:28,479 --> 03:06:34,870
for services restoration, I guess.

4478
03:06:34,880 --> 03:06:39,760
» All right, let's try this again. Uh 20B.

4479
03:06:39,760 --> 03:06:41,920
Notwithstanding subsection A of this

4480
03:06:41,920 --> 03:06:45,040
section, in the case of all hazard

4481
03:06:45,040 --> 03:06:48,080
events as defined by state statute, the

4482
03:06:48,080 --> 03:06:50,560
city council may borrow for a period of

4483
03:06:50,560 --> 03:06:56,160
not more than five years or a term not

4484
03:06:56,160 --> 03:06:58,640
to exceed the reasonably anticipated

4485
03:06:58,640 --> 03:07:02,960
useful life to fund

4486
03:07:02,960 --> 03:07:06,880
emergency infrastructure or

4487
03:07:06,880 --> 03:07:09,439
services restoration.

4488
03:07:09,439 --> 03:07:15,269
Yeah, I think you got through that.

4489
03:07:15,279 --> 03:07:16,560
» Council members, anybody want to make

4490
03:07:16,560 --> 03:07:18,000
that motion? I will.

4491
03:07:18,000 --> 03:07:18,960
>> John made a motion.

4492
03:07:18,960 --> 03:07:19,760
>> I will second.

4493
03:07:19,760 --> 03:07:22,720
>> Carter seconded. Any other comments or

4494
03:07:22,720 --> 03:07:27,670
questions about this section?

4495
03:07:27,680 --> 03:07:29,600
» All those in favor say I.

4496
03:07:29,600 --> 03:07:30,080
>> I.

4497
03:07:30,080 --> 03:07:31,200
I.

4498
03:07:31,200 --> 03:07:34,240
>> Oppose. Nay. That motion carries. Thank

4499
03:07:34,240 --> 03:07:35,760
you, Travis. And thank you very much,

4500
03:07:35,760 --> 03:07:42,640
Dave. Anything else in section 20?

4501
03:07:42,640 --> 03:07:44,080
I'm going to sleep tonight thinking

4502
03:07:44,080 --> 03:07:47,279
about section 20.

4503
03:07:47,279 --> 03:07:49,439
Okay. Section 21 was transitional

4504
03:07:49,439 --> 03:07:52,960
provisions. Section 22 regards bonds of

4505
03:07:52,960 --> 03:07:57,120
city officers. We've worked and worked on this one also. Any any

4506
03:07:57,120 --> 03:08:03,990
other comments or improvements?

4507
03:08:04,000 --> 03:08:06,399
Hearing none. Section 23 was

4508
03:08:06,399 --> 03:08:08,000
transitional provisions related to

4509
03:08:08,000 --> 03:08:10,080
financial assets.

4510
03:08:10,080 --> 03:08:12,000
24 transitional provisions related to

4511
03:08:12,000 --> 03:08:14,720
financial liabilities and assets.

4512
03:08:14,720 --> 03:08:16,479
25. Transitional provisions related to

4513
03:08:16,479 --> 03:08:17,680
the books and records of the town of

4514
03:08:17,680 --> 03:08:20,080
Newport. 26. Transitional provisions

4515
03:08:20,080 --> 03:08:21,359
related to the books and records of the

4516
03:08:21,359 --> 03:08:24,560
town of Derby.

4517
03:08:24,560 --> 03:08:26,880
27. Here we go. Kenne, we're back to

4518
03:08:26,880 --> 03:08:32,389
you. Public schools and school property.

4519
03:08:32,399 --> 03:08:34,000
We've struck a considerable amount of

4520
03:08:34,000 --> 03:08:38,560
material and cut it down to A, B, and C.

4521
03:08:38,560 --> 03:08:40,000
And I'm just going to read it.

4522
03:08:40,000 --> 03:08:41,680
Management and control A, the management

4523
03:08:41,680 --> 03:08:43,040
of control of public schools and all

4524
03:08:43,040 --> 03:08:45,040
school property is vested in a board of

4525
03:08:45,040 --> 03:08:47,279
five school trustees. Said trustee shall

4526
03:08:47,279 --> 03:08:48,880
be votified residents of the city and

4527
03:08:48,880 --> 03:08:52,240
registered voters.

4528
03:08:52,240 --> 03:08:54,000
B. In the event of a vacancy on the

4529
03:08:54,000 --> 03:08:55,359
board of school trustees, the remaining

4530
03:08:55,359 --> 03:08:57,040
trustee shall by majority vote of those

4531
03:08:57,040 --> 03:08:59,040
present in voting appoint a qualified

4532
03:08:59,040 --> 03:09:01,200
person to fill a vacancy on the board of

4533
03:09:01,200 --> 03:09:04,000
school trustees. If after 60 days of the

4534
03:09:04,000 --> 03:09:05,439
creation of the vacancy, the board of

4535
03:09:05,439 --> 03:09:08,160
school trustees has uh fails to fill the

4536
03:09:08,160 --> 03:09:09,760
vacancy, the vacancy may be filled

4537
03:09:09,760 --> 03:09:12,560
pursuant to section 6B of this charter

4538
03:09:12,560 --> 03:09:14,479
which we talked about earlier. If there

4539
03:09:14,479 --> 03:09:16,080
are vacancies in a majority of the board

4540
03:09:16,080 --> 03:09:18,160
of school of trustees, the vacancy shall

4541
03:09:18,160 --> 03:09:19,680
be filled by a special city meeting

4542
03:09:19,680 --> 03:09:21,680
called for that purpose. The remaining

4543
03:09:21,680 --> 03:09:24,479
trustees are, or if none in office, the

4544
03:09:24,479 --> 03:09:26,800
city treasurer is authorized to draw

4545
03:09:26,800 --> 03:09:28,160
orders for payment of continuing

4546
03:09:28,160 --> 03:09:30,640
obligations and necessary expenses until

4547
03:09:30,640 --> 03:09:33,359
a majority of the vacancies are filled.

4548
03:09:33,359 --> 03:09:35,680
Section C. The board of school trustees

4549
03:09:35,680 --> 03:09:37,120
shall make an annual report of their

4550
03:09:37,120 --> 03:09:38,560
revenue and expenditures to the city

4551
03:09:38,560 --> 03:09:40,960
council and city clerk no later than the

4552
03:09:40,960 --> 03:09:42,800
beginning of the last week of January in

4553
03:09:42,800 --> 03:09:44,560
each year for the last preceding fiscal

4554
03:09:44,560 --> 03:09:46,560
year. And in this report they shall make

4555
03:09:46,560 --> 03:09:48,640
estimates of the necessary expenditures

4556
03:09:48,640 --> 03:09:49,920
for the support of schools for the

4557
03:09:49,920 --> 03:09:51,760
ensuing fiscal year. The amount of

4558
03:09:51,760 --> 03:09:53,200
school income to be derived from sources

4559
03:09:53,200 --> 03:09:55,200
other than taxation. The amount of money

4560
03:09:55,200 --> 03:09:56,800
to be raised by taxation for the support

4561
03:09:56,800 --> 03:09:58,960
of said schools. Which report shall be

4562
03:09:58,960 --> 03:10:00,319
published with the annual report of the

4563
03:10:00,319 --> 03:10:02,640
city as herein provided? The school

4564
03:10:02,640 --> 03:10:04,640
trustee shall provide proof of bonding

4565
03:10:04,640 --> 03:10:06,319
or comparable insurance coverage to the

4566
03:10:06,319 --> 03:10:08,800
city.

4567
03:10:08,800 --> 03:10:10,399
Are there any concerns or questions

4568
03:10:10,399 --> 03:10:12,880
about this section?

4569
03:10:12,880 --> 03:10:14,880
Charlie,

4570
03:10:14,880 --> 03:10:16,800
>> I don't have a concern or a question,

4571
03:10:16,800 --> 03:10:19,840
but um

4572
03:10:19,840 --> 03:10:22,240
yeah, I'm a little I'm a little taken

4573
03:10:22,240 --> 03:10:24,640
back by saying that we didn't give them

4574
03:10:24,640 --> 03:10:27,279
due diligence because I'm pretty sure we

4575
03:10:27,279 --> 03:10:29,840
did. Um

4576
03:10:29,840 --> 03:10:34,080
so we met over a month ago

4577
03:10:34,080 --> 03:10:38,479
with the school uh principal,

4578
03:10:38,479 --> 03:10:40,960
other people. We invited everyone. and

4579
03:10:40,960 --> 03:10:43,520
they're the ones that showed up. Um,

4580
03:10:43,520 --> 03:10:46,479
they worked with us on this

4581
03:10:46,479 --> 03:10:48,240
so they knew what the wording was before

4582
03:10:48,240 --> 03:10:50,319
they left

4583
03:10:50,319 --> 03:10:52,640
um because that well I mean we may have

4584
03:10:52,640 --> 03:10:55,600
tweaked it a little bit but not much. We

4585
03:10:55,600 --> 03:10:57,920
still give them all the same powers.

4586
03:10:57,920 --> 03:11:01,359
We've got rid of Newport

4587
03:11:01,359 --> 03:11:04,640
school or Newport graded school and east

4588
03:11:04,640 --> 03:11:06,399
school and west school and schools that

4589
03:11:06,399 --> 03:11:07,920
don't exist.

4590
03:11:07,920 --> 03:11:10,880
>> That's why that was all

4591
03:11:10,880 --> 03:11:14,800
But if they I mean Kian I if they had a

4592
03:11:14,800 --> 03:11:17,760
problem with it. We had a month we had

4593
03:11:17,760 --> 03:11:21,840
meetings twice a week. Um we told the

4594
03:11:21,840 --> 03:11:23,680
school board

4595
03:11:23,680 --> 03:11:26,479
when we got done that day. We spent

4596
03:11:26,479 --> 03:11:29,520
several hours. Um that if there were any

4597
03:11:29,520 --> 03:11:31,359
other concerns, please bring them back

4598
03:11:31,359 --> 03:11:35,040
to us because we were working on

4599
03:11:35,040 --> 03:11:38,160
and we get them on, you know, two hours

4600
03:11:38,160 --> 03:11:40,080
before the last minute. we have time to

4601
03:11:40,080 --> 03:11:43,600
do it and we don't even know what the

4602
03:11:43,600 --> 03:11:46,800
problem is. So the only difference in

4603
03:11:46,800 --> 03:11:48,960
here they still have the power to do

4604
03:11:48,960 --> 03:11:54,080
everything. We did we did um

4605
03:11:54,080 --> 03:11:56,640
ensure that a vacancy on the school

4606
03:11:56,640 --> 03:11:57,600
board would be filled

4607
03:11:57,600 --> 03:11:59,359
>> will not endure beyond two months

4608
03:11:59,359 --> 03:12:01,920
>> because that has not happened. I think

4609
03:12:01,920 --> 03:12:04,880
we've been without two school board

4610
03:12:04,880 --> 03:12:08,080
members for what two years?

4611
03:12:08,080 --> 03:12:10,800
>> What? one going on two.

4612
03:12:10,800 --> 03:12:12,640
>> No, not going on.

4613
03:12:12,640 --> 03:12:13,600
>> Okay. So,

4614
03:12:13,600 --> 03:12:16,080
>> we're down one at the moment. So, if

4615
03:12:16,080 --> 03:12:17,520
anybody would like to join our

4616
03:12:17,520 --> 03:12:19,200
schoolboard meeting, we would love

4617
03:12:19,200 --> 03:12:20,560
people

4618
03:12:20,560 --> 03:12:26,479
>> to come and not even but if you would to

4619
03:12:26,479 --> 03:12:29,760
>> just come and be an audience of the

4620
03:12:29,760 --> 03:12:31,120
school board, we would love to have you.

4621
03:12:31,120 --> 03:12:32,399
>> That's a great invitation and I hope

4622
03:12:32,399 --> 03:12:35,359
folks will take seriously. Sharon.

4623
03:12:35,359 --> 03:12:40,399
>> Yeah. Um, I think as a council we messed

4624
03:12:40,399 --> 03:12:44,000
up because it was in the current charter

4625
03:12:44,000 --> 03:12:46,399
that we should have appointed somebody

4626
03:12:46,399 --> 03:12:49,359
to that school board a long time ago

4627
03:12:49,359 --> 03:12:50,960
because I believe it's been a year and a

4628
03:12:50,960 --> 03:12:54,160
half that they have been down a member

4629
03:12:54,160 --> 03:12:56,560
and we didn't do it. We messed up.

4630
03:12:56,560 --> 03:12:58,080
There's no other way to put it. We

4631
03:12:58,080 --> 03:13:00,160
screwed up.

4632
03:13:00,160 --> 03:13:02,000
Now that

4633
03:13:02,000 --> 03:13:03,840
now it's in the charter, but that's

4634
03:13:03,840 --> 03:13:05,920
nothing new. It's always been in the

4635
03:13:05,920 --> 03:13:09,600
charter that if the school board doesn't

4636
03:13:09,600 --> 03:13:12,240
find somebody then they have then it's

4637
03:13:12,240 --> 03:13:14,399
an appointed position.

4638
03:13:14,399 --> 03:13:17,120
And I'll also say that I gave the school

4639
03:13:17,120 --> 03:13:19,840
board a couple of names and I don't

4640
03:13:19,840 --> 03:13:21,760
believe the school board acted on either

4641
03:13:21,760 --> 03:13:24,000
one of those names.

4642
03:13:24,000 --> 03:13:25,520
So

4643
03:13:25,520 --> 03:13:28,239
there you have it.

4644
03:13:28,239 --> 03:13:30,880
>> Okay. There's clearly

4645
03:13:30,880 --> 03:13:33,200
room for more conversation here, but not

4646
03:13:33,200 --> 03:13:36,239
tonight. In my judgment, this does not

4647
03:13:36,239 --> 03:13:38,080
propose a significant change from what's

4648
03:13:38,080 --> 03:13:40,239
been in the charter. It simply cleans up

4649
03:13:40,239 --> 03:13:41,920
the language and makes it easier to

4650
03:13:41,920 --> 03:13:42,560
understand.

4651
03:13:42,560 --> 03:13:44,720
>> Yeah. Substantively, it's really saying

4652
03:13:44,720 --> 03:13:45,840
>> the same thing.

4653
03:13:45,840 --> 03:13:46,160
>> That's right.

4654
03:13:46,160 --> 03:13:47,520
>> It's just easier to read.

4655
03:13:47,520 --> 03:13:50,160
>> So, my recommendation is that y'all,

4656
03:13:50,160 --> 03:13:51,840
meaning in the southern sense of the

4657
03:13:51,840 --> 03:13:55,120
word, all of us, we all need to be

4658
03:13:55,120 --> 03:13:57,439
invested in making sure that the school

4659
03:13:57,439 --> 03:13:59,600
board has good members and and people

4660
03:13:59,600 --> 03:14:00,880
who are invested in watching what's

4661
03:14:00,880 --> 03:14:01,920
going on and being a part of the

4662
03:14:01,920 --> 03:14:04,239
conversation. I think we all agree about

4663
03:14:04,239 --> 03:14:07,680
that in this room. Okay, let's move on.

4664
03:14:07,680 --> 03:14:09,760
Section 28, city manager. Anything

4665
03:14:09,760 --> 03:14:20,309
people want to add here.

4666
03:14:20,319 --> 03:14:23,680
Okay. Hearing none. Uh section 29 was

4667
03:14:23,680 --> 03:14:26,560
transitional provisions. Section 30 is

4668
03:14:26,560 --> 03:14:30,080
the section on the harbor commission.

4669
03:14:30,080 --> 03:14:35,990
Any comments about that section?

4670
03:14:36,000 --> 03:14:38,319
by gum. I think that's it.

4671
03:14:38,319 --> 03:14:44,550
>> Right.

4672
03:14:44,560 --> 03:14:45,840
» Oh, there's a 31.

4673
03:14:45,840 --> 03:14:47,760
>> Yes.

4674
03:14:47,760 --> 03:14:49,520
>> Sorry, it's not in mine. What's Oh,

4675
03:14:49,520 --> 03:14:50,640
there it is. Right at the bottom. I'm

4676
03:14:50,640 --> 03:14:52,399
sorry. Yes. Is there anybody who wants

4677
03:14:52,399 --> 03:14:53,840
to comment on the legal language around

4678
03:14:53,840 --> 03:14:57,120
sever severability?

4679
03:14:57,120 --> 03:15:00,239
Okay. Hearing none. Are there any other

4680
03:15:00,239 --> 03:15:02,800
comments, council members, from you

4681
03:15:02,800 --> 03:15:04,800
about any portion of the proposed

4682
03:15:04,800 --> 03:15:09,439
changes that we have considered?

4683
03:15:09,439 --> 03:15:11,760
>> I think a common ground was respectfully

4684
03:15:11,760 --> 03:15:13,279
reached and I'm pretty proud of this

4685
03:15:13,279 --> 03:15:16,160
document and eternally grateful for the

4686
03:15:16,160 --> 03:15:18,880
continuing work. Even in between these

4687
03:15:18,880 --> 03:15:21,120
two dang public hearings, you all still

4688
03:15:21,120 --> 03:15:24,640
met and deliberated and um

4689
03:15:24,640 --> 03:15:30,070
constructively guided this process. So,

4690
03:15:30,080 --> 03:15:31,680
» charter task force members, anything

4691
03:15:31,680 --> 03:15:33,920
else y'all want to say besides please

4692
03:15:33,920 --> 03:15:38,150
God, let me out of this room.

4693
03:15:38,160 --> 03:15:39,359
» Hearing none. Any members of the

4694
03:15:39,359 --> 03:15:40,640
community want to speak to this before

4695
03:15:40,640 --> 03:15:43,279
we move on?

4696
03:15:43,279 --> 03:15:47,200
>> Okay, Dave, anything else from you?

4697
03:15:47,200 --> 03:15:52,479
>> Uh, couple things. one. I will try very

4698
03:15:52,479 --> 03:15:56,399
hard tomorrow to have a red line and

4699
03:15:56,399 --> 03:15:59,120
clean version

4700
03:15:59,120 --> 03:16:01,760
uh comparing what we are agreeing on

4701
03:16:01,760 --> 03:16:04,720
tonight with Jennifer's changes to the

4702
03:16:04,720 --> 03:16:09,439
existing charter in uh

4703
03:16:09,439 --> 03:16:11,359
the existing city charter that will be

4704
03:16:11,359 --> 03:16:16,000
amended. So, uh, hopefully by Wednesday,

4705
03:16:16,000 --> 03:16:19,920
definitely by Thursday, the city

4706
03:16:19,920 --> 03:16:22,880
residents will be able to see what

4707
03:16:22,880 --> 03:16:24,479
they're going to be voting on and

4708
03:16:24,479 --> 03:16:26,319
hopefully the council will approve on

4709
03:16:26,319 --> 03:16:28,399
the 21st.

4710
03:16:28,399 --> 03:16:30,399
And so, David, if I understand it

4711
03:16:30,399 --> 03:16:32,399
correctly, on the 21st, you will be

4712
03:16:32,399 --> 03:16:35,680
bringing the council the actual formal

4713
03:16:35,680 --> 03:16:40,880
language to warn this item on the agenda

4714
03:16:40,880 --> 03:16:43,680
for the November 3rd ballot.

4715
03:16:43,680 --> 03:16:45,920
>> That's correct. We'll have it's looking

4716
03:16:45,920 --> 03:16:48,560
like on the 21st, we're going to have to

4717
03:16:48,560 --> 03:16:51,200
address an open meeting law allegation

4718
03:16:51,200 --> 03:16:54,560
violation, alleged violation. We will

4719
03:16:54,560 --> 03:16:58,800
have uh approval of the charter for the

4720
03:16:58,800 --> 03:17:01,359
council as well as approval of a warning

4721
03:17:01,359 --> 03:17:03,359
for a special city meeting on November

4722
03:17:03,359 --> 03:17:04,399
3rd.

4723
03:17:04,399 --> 03:17:06,880
>> Great. And just to be clear, if for some

4724
03:17:06,880 --> 03:17:09,120
reason we don't get it across the finish

4725
03:17:09,120 --> 03:17:10,479
line, there is still time for the

4726
03:17:10,479 --> 03:17:12,000
council to meet again in a special

4727
03:17:12,000 --> 03:17:14,319
meeting to take action on those warnings

4728
03:17:14,319 --> 03:17:16,800
before the 30th of September. Correct.

4729
03:17:16,800 --> 03:17:18,319
>> Yeah, that's correct. Yes.

4730
03:17:18,319 --> 03:17:20,080
>> Okay. Council members, any question

4731
03:17:20,080 --> 03:17:22,800
about process?

4732
03:17:22,800 --> 03:17:24,560
Okay. hearing. None, I would accept a

4733
03:17:24,560 --> 03:17:26,479
motion to close the second public

4734
03:17:26,479 --> 03:17:28,960
hearing uh to hear the recommendations

4735
03:17:28,960 --> 03:17:31,680
of the uh charter task force committee

4736
03:17:31,680 --> 03:17:33,520
on proposed searching. Have

4737
03:17:33,520 --> 03:17:36,800
>> a motion and a second. All those in

4738
03:17:36,800 --> 03:17:37,920
favor say I.

4739
03:17:37,920 --> 03:17:38,560
>> I.

4740
03:17:38,560 --> 03:17:40,319
>> Any oppose? Nay.

4741
03:17:40,319 --> 03:17:42,479
>> Motion carries. We are out of the public

4742
03:17:42,479 --> 03:17:44,080
hearing session. Thank you very much

4743
03:17:44,080 --> 03:17:46,319
everyone. And this is your moment. You

4744
03:17:46,319 --> 03:17:48,160
can if if you are here only for this,

4745
03:17:48,160 --> 03:17:49,439
you are welcome to get up and go

4746
03:17:49,439 --> 03:17:52,790
tonight.

4747
03:17:52,800 --> 03:17:54,399
Mayor, are you finished with the city

4748
03:17:54,399 --> 03:17:56,000
attorney for the rest of this meeting?

4749
03:17:56,000 --> 03:17:57,439
>> I think we are finished with you for the

4750
03:17:57,439 --> 03:17:58,640
rest of this meeting. Thank you very

4751
03:17:58,640 --> 03:18:00,720
much for your help tonight.

4752
03:18:00,720 --> 03:18:03,279
>> You're welcome. And I'll get everything

4753
03:18:03,279 --> 03:18:05,600
else.

4754
03:18:05,600 --> 03:18:06,960
>> For the record, I owe you a cup of

4755
03:18:06,960 --> 03:18:08,239
coffee because your estimate of how long

4756
03:18:08,239 --> 03:18:09,600
this would take was way closer than

4757
03:18:09,600 --> 03:18:15,349
mine.

4758
03:18:15,359 --> 03:18:24,070
» Have a good night, everybody.

4759
03:18:24,080 --> 03:18:26,160
Okay, this is a two moment two minute

4760
03:18:26,160 --> 03:18:31,990
body break.

4761
03:18:32,000 --> 03:18:49,990
I'm going

4762
03:18:50,000 --> 03:18:57,110
» Charlie. Thank you so much.

4763
03:18:57,120 --> 03:19:00,319
» How are you?

4764
03:19:00,319 --> 03:19:26,389
>> Good. What's up?

4765
03:19:26,399 --> 03:19:30,550
» We did and they did

4766
03:19:30,560 --> 03:19:34,399
And I don't think that it was fully

4767
03:19:34,399 --> 03:19:37,760
understood what the timing was.

4768
03:19:37,760 --> 03:19:42,469
I happened

4769
03:19:42,479 --> 03:19:56,630
» really

4770
03:19:56,640 --> 03:20:11,830
I just I think that was

4771
03:20:11,840 --> 03:20:13,439
Can I lie to you about how much time I

4772
03:20:13,439 --> 03:20:15,840
thought I could take? Well, I

4773
03:20:15,840 --> 03:20:19,030
misrepresent.

4774
03:20:19,040 --> 03:20:42,150
» I did not I really did think I was

4775
03:20:42,160 --> 03:20:45,439
» I did. Okay. I did. I'm not sure that

4776
03:20:45,439 --> 03:20:47,760
everything was

4777
03:20:47,760 --> 03:20:50,239
>> but

4778
03:20:50,239 --> 03:20:55,510
what was agreed to what was agreed to

4779
03:20:55,520 --> 03:21:12,150
» I feel like they did say

4780
03:21:12,160 --> 03:21:20,870
» but again this is where

4781
03:21:20,880 --> 03:21:30,389
again.

4782
03:21:30,399 --> 03:21:34,469
» But again,

4783
03:21:34,479 --> 03:21:39,910
mostly real estate.

4784
03:21:39,920 --> 03:21:42,640
Are we voting

4785
03:21:42,640 --> 03:21:58,389
on section by section or we're voting?

4786
03:21:58,399 --> 03:22:00,720
» Okay, I think

4787
03:22:00,720 --> 03:22:01,920
I'm going to bring us back to order,

4788
03:22:01,920 --> 03:22:06,389
please.

4789
03:22:06,399 --> 03:22:09,439
I enjoy digging for you.

4790
03:22:09,439 --> 03:22:11,520
>> Okay, Charlie Kian, we're going to come

4791
03:22:11,520 --> 03:22:15,600
back to the order here. We had

4792
03:22:15,600 --> 03:22:18,239
>> so we continue with the regular uh

4793
03:22:18,239 --> 03:22:21,040
council meeting that was scheduled for

4794
03:22:21,040 --> 03:22:22,960
Monday night, September 14th to begin at

4795
03:22:22,960 --> 03:22:25,040
6:00 and according to the agenda end at

4796
03:22:25,040 --> 03:22:26,720
8.

4797
03:22:26,720 --> 03:22:28,239
>> Um,

4798
03:22:28,239 --> 03:22:31,920
our next item on the agenda is the

4799
03:22:31,920 --> 03:22:35,040
uh city manager report. So, just very

4800
03:22:35,040 --> 03:22:36,720
briefly, this is the first this I think

4801
03:22:36,720 --> 03:22:38,479
this is my first report and this is just

4802
03:22:38,479 --> 03:22:40,000
an intent to keep the public and the

4803
03:22:40,000 --> 03:22:41,279
board up to date on the things that the

4804
03:22:41,279 --> 03:22:44,239
city manager's office is up to. Um, so

4805
03:22:44,239 --> 03:22:46,319
just to be very brief, I did meet with

4806
03:22:46,319 --> 03:22:48,080
the school superintendent last week. We

4807
03:22:48,080 --> 03:22:49,520
talked a little bit about the ongoing

4808
03:22:49,520 --> 03:22:51,279
struggle she's having with her with her

4809
03:22:51,279 --> 03:22:53,680
building, her high school building, and

4810
03:22:53,680 --> 03:22:55,120
we talked a little bit about starting an

4811
03:22:55,120 --> 03:22:56,720
internship program. I had a lot of

4812
03:22:56,720 --> 03:22:59,840
success with that, developing um um kids

4813
03:22:59,840 --> 03:23:02,720
into professional uh lines of work. So,

4814
03:23:02,720 --> 03:23:04,160
I'm hoping we can do something like that

4815
03:23:04,160 --> 03:23:07,200
here. Uh, the budget program is out. So,

4816
03:23:07,200 --> 03:23:08,880
staff is currently working on their

4817
03:23:08,880 --> 03:23:11,680
budget for the coming fiscal year. Um,

4818
03:23:11,680 --> 03:23:12,880
and I'm working on the schedule for

4819
03:23:12,880 --> 03:23:14,239
that. So, the council will see that

4820
03:23:14,239 --> 03:23:15,760
schedule, the draft schedule for that

4821
03:23:15,760 --> 03:23:18,000
coming up.

4822
03:23:18,000 --> 03:23:20,319
Um, and to wrap it up, staff and I met

4823
03:23:20,319 --> 03:23:22,000
with the folks that are developing a

4824
03:23:22,000 --> 03:23:25,520
sacred heart housing project last week.

4825
03:23:25,520 --> 03:23:27,600
Uh Andrew and the fire department came

4826
03:23:27,600 --> 03:23:32,479
up and they brought the fire truck up to see how how access was on that road,

4827
03:23:32,479 --> 03:23:34,319
how easily the truck could access that

4828
03:23:34,319 --> 03:23:37,120
road. And we're working through we're

4829
03:23:37,120 --> 03:23:39,680
working through that new permit.

4830
03:23:39,680 --> 03:23:43,510
>> That's what I have.

4831
03:23:43,520 --> 03:23:43,680
It's

4832
03:23:43,680 --> 03:23:45,279
>> going to make me look bad here, Joe. You

4833
03:23:45,279 --> 03:23:47,279
keep reports short like that every time.

4834
03:23:47,279 --> 03:23:51,269
>> I don't talk.

4835
03:23:51,279 --> 03:23:52,720
» Council members, any questions for our

4836
03:23:52,720 --> 03:23:54,960
city manager?

4837
03:23:54,960 --> 03:23:56,960
Can I just say, Joe, I very much

4838
03:23:56,960 --> 03:23:59,200
appreciate your weekly updates that we

4839
03:23:59,200 --> 03:24:00,960
get every Monday morning. I kind of look

4840
03:24:00,960 --> 03:24:02,479
forward to them now.

4841
03:24:02,479 --> 03:24:04,560
>> Good. I'm glad you're not too boring.

4842
03:24:04,560 --> 03:24:06,080
>> Yeah. And just so folks in the community

4843
03:24:06,080 --> 03:24:08,960
know, this summary is basically just a

4844
03:24:08,960 --> 03:24:10,800
compilation of what Joe puts out to us

4845
03:24:10,800 --> 03:24:12,800
week by week to keep the council up to

4846
03:24:12,800 --> 03:24:14,319
date with anything that's going on. So,

4847
03:24:14,319 --> 03:24:15,600
you're actually seeing what he's telling

4848
03:24:15,600 --> 03:24:16,880
us to.

4849
03:24:16,880 --> 03:24:18,000
>> Yeah,

4850
03:24:18,000 --> 03:24:22,319
>> I agree. And we're a month in, right? Or

4851
03:24:22,319 --> 03:24:23,600
a little more. A month and a week. a

4852
03:24:23,600 --> 03:24:24,479
little more than the month.

4853
03:24:24,479 --> 03:24:27,439
>> Five weeks. I I couldn't be happier with

4854
03:24:27,439 --> 03:24:29,120
how it's going. So, thank you very much,

4855
03:24:29,120 --> 03:24:30,239
Joe, for all he's doing.

4856
03:24:30,239 --> 03:24:32,239
>> Thank you.

4857
03:24:32,239 --> 03:24:34,399
>> Okay. Progress to date. This one's you

4858
03:24:34,399 --> 03:24:36,880
too, Joe, on the audit for fiscal year

4859
03:24:36,880 --> 03:24:38,319
26. And just catch us up.

4860
03:24:38,319 --> 03:24:42,160
>> Yep. We'll catch up. So, uh Carrie and

4861
03:24:42,160 --> 03:24:45,120
um Frank have been working diligently to

4862
03:24:45,120 --> 03:24:47,439
get the auditor, Miss Batchel, all the

4863
03:24:47,439 --> 03:24:49,439
things she needs, which we have provided

4864
03:24:49,439 --> 03:24:51,760
to the batchel and associates. Um,

4865
03:24:51,760 --> 03:24:54,080
currently batch elder's asking for a

4866
03:24:54,080 --> 03:24:56,239
little bit more. She's testing uh she's

4867
03:24:56,239 --> 03:24:58,319
testing our procedures. So, she's asking

4868
03:24:58,319 --> 03:25:00,399
for checks and invoices and all of that

4869
03:25:00,399 --> 03:25:03,439
things, make sure they match up with uh

4870
03:25:03,439 --> 03:25:06,160
our ledgers. We did meet with Bonnie a

4871
03:25:06,160 --> 03:25:08,399
couple weeks ago. Uh I and and Carrie

4872
03:25:08,399 --> 03:25:09,840
met with Bonnie just to see how it was

4873
03:25:09,840 --> 03:25:11,920
going and if she needed anything else.

4874
03:25:11,920 --> 03:25:13,840
Um she said we're on track and we have

4875
03:25:13,840 --> 03:25:17,439
an October delivery date still. Um we we

4876
03:25:17,439 --> 03:25:19,200
will require a single audit because of

4877
03:25:19,200 --> 03:25:22,160
the the amount of federal cash that we

4878
03:25:22,160 --> 03:25:23,760
have that we've taken in and that's

4879
03:25:23,760 --> 03:25:26,800
going to cost us an extra $5,000. So um

4880
03:25:26,800 --> 03:25:28,160
it's a little higher than I anticipated

4881
03:25:28,160 --> 03:25:32,229
but not not too bad.

4882
03:25:32,239 --> 03:25:34,160
Questions for Joe regarding the audit

4883
03:25:34,160 --> 03:25:37,439
for this year?

4884
03:25:37,439 --> 03:25:41,680
single audited view. But

4885
03:25:41,680 --> 03:25:43,120
>> yeah, and it feels

4886
03:25:43,120 --> 03:25:45,680
>> really good, Joe, to from my perspective

4887
03:25:45,680 --> 03:25:48,479
to be where we are on this with a new

4888
03:25:48,479 --> 03:25:51,120
auditor in place and on track to get it

4889
03:25:51,120 --> 03:25:53,279
done in a timely fashion. Again, do you

4890
03:25:53,279 --> 03:25:54,800
have a sense of I can't remember. I

4891
03:25:54,800 --> 03:25:56,720
think we were talking mid-occtober that

4892
03:25:56,720 --> 03:25:58,560
we were hoping for mid to late October

4893
03:25:58,560 --> 03:26:00,160
for the final report from them.

4894
03:26:00,160 --> 03:26:02,960
>> Um I she she told me October. I don't

4895
03:26:02,960 --> 03:26:04,239
remember the exact date, but it was

4896
03:26:04,239 --> 03:26:07,359
scheduled with council. Okay, great.

4897
03:26:07,359 --> 03:26:10,239
Anything else, council members?

4898
03:26:10,239 --> 03:26:11,520
Okay, Joe, I'm going to depend on you

4899
03:26:11,520 --> 03:26:12,960
for this revolving loan application.

4900
03:26:12,960 --> 03:26:14,399
Wastewater treatment facility.

4901
03:26:14,399 --> 03:26:17,200
>> Yep. So, here um the wastewater

4902
03:26:17,200 --> 03:26:19,680
treatment facility is up for it 20-year

4903
03:26:19,680 --> 03:26:22,560
um rehab and evaluation. This is the

4904
03:26:22,560 --> 03:26:25,040
preliminary engineering. We're asking

4905
03:26:25,040 --> 03:26:28,160
the state to uh loan us $52,100

4906
03:26:28,160 --> 03:26:32,239
for this project. Um Tom put out an RFP

4907
03:26:32,239 --> 03:26:36,080
to for engineering and Aldridge and

4908
03:26:36,080 --> 03:26:40,080
Elliot were the chosen engineer

4909
03:26:40,080 --> 03:26:42,720
for tonight. We have one copy that needs

4910
03:26:42,720 --> 03:26:44,560
to be signed. One copy of the loan needs

4911
03:26:44,560 --> 03:26:47,200
to be signed by the by the council to

4912
03:26:47,200 --> 03:26:49,439
approve well to approve the request of

4913
03:26:49,439 --> 03:26:52,160
the loan.

4914
03:26:52,160 --> 03:26:54,239
And

4915
03:26:54,239 --> 03:26:55,760
some of these loans and I thought I

4916
03:26:55,760 --> 03:26:59,359
thought it was this one are

4917
03:26:59,359 --> 03:27:01,920
uh forgivable. Do you know is that

4918
03:27:01,920 --> 03:27:04,319
right? Some of them are. I don't know if

4919
03:27:04,319 --> 03:27:06,479
this particular one is. I know as they

4920
03:27:06,479 --> 03:27:08,239
move my experience is that as we move

4921
03:27:08,239 --> 03:27:09,920
forward through the through the

4922
03:27:09,920 --> 03:27:11,920
engineering into construction phase they

4923
03:27:11,920 --> 03:27:14,640
get rolled in and some some amount gets

4924
03:27:14,640 --> 03:27:16,640
does get forgiven. I don't know if it's

4925
03:27:16,640 --> 03:27:18,080
100% or not.

4926
03:27:18,080 --> 03:27:20,160
>> Sorry if I can jump jump in here. I'm

4927
03:27:20,160 --> 03:27:22,880
from Aldrich. My name is Yeah, my name

4928
03:27:22,880 --> 03:27:25,200
is Mike Mayer and um Joe actually wanted

4929
03:27:25,200 --> 03:27:27,439
me to come just to help answer some

4930
03:27:27,439 --> 03:27:30,880
great questions. So this um this at this

4931
03:27:30,880 --> 03:27:33,439
stage the state's actually offering 50%

4932
03:27:33,439 --> 03:27:36,160
subsidies. That's 50% subsidy on the

4933
03:27:36,160 --> 03:27:38,560
sort of planning engineering work. Uh

4934
03:27:38,560 --> 03:27:40,000
there's a whole another set of subsidy

4935
03:27:40,000 --> 03:27:42,239
that's available for stuff that goes to

4936
03:27:42,239 --> 03:27:45,040
construction. Um so so this one was for

4937
03:27:45,040 --> 03:27:47,680
52,000. So there's about 26,000 in

4938
03:27:47,680 --> 03:27:51,920
subsidy baked in here. um the remainder

4939
03:27:51,920 --> 03:27:54,160
does get rolled over into construction

4940
03:27:54,160 --> 03:27:56,960
loan. If if you do go go to construction

4941
03:27:56,960 --> 03:27:58,880
with a project, which you you probably

4942
03:27:58,880 --> 03:28:01,359
will need to um and like I said, once

4943
03:28:01,359 --> 03:28:02,640
you get into construction, then there's

4944
03:28:02,640 --> 03:28:04,479
this whole other kind of subsidy

4945
03:28:04,479 --> 03:28:07,920
discussion. So,

4946
03:28:07,920 --> 03:28:10,560
>> everything else could it's Mike, right?

4947
03:28:10,560 --> 03:28:12,239
>> Just just to help us make sure that

4948
03:28:12,239 --> 03:28:13,600
we're all on the same page, Mike, could

4949
03:28:13,600 --> 03:28:15,920
you just describe exactly in layman's

4950
03:28:15,920 --> 03:28:17,520
terms what this loan is being used for?

4951
03:28:17,520 --> 03:28:19,040
So, it's it's being used for what's

4952
03:28:19,040 --> 03:28:20,720
called a 20-year evaluation.

4953
03:28:20,720 --> 03:28:22,000
>> This is this is what we've been talking

4954
03:28:22,000 --> 03:28:22,319
about.

4955
03:28:22,319 --> 03:28:24,160
>> Yep. Every wastewater treatment facility

4956
03:28:24,160 --> 03:28:25,920
in the state, every 20 years, you have

4957
03:28:25,920 --> 03:28:27,279
to do this evaluation where you

4958
03:28:27,279 --> 03:28:28,560
basically start out in the collection

4959
03:28:28,560 --> 03:28:30,239
system where the waste water starts. You

4960
03:28:30,239 --> 03:28:31,680
go down to the plant, you look at all

4961
03:28:31,680 --> 03:28:34,319
the solids handling stuff. This year,

4962
03:28:34,319 --> 03:28:35,600
this time around, it's a little more of

4963
03:28:35,600 --> 03:28:37,279
a big deal because you're also getting a

4964
03:28:37,279 --> 03:28:41,439
new discharge permit. Um, so that that's

4965
03:28:41,439 --> 03:28:47,359
also going to play in year. Um, and then once that's done, that's where

4966
03:28:47,359 --> 03:28:49,200
we've identified what what needs to

4967
03:28:49,200 --> 03:28:52,560
happen over the next 10 years.

4968
03:28:52,560 --> 03:28:54,399
Um, and then then you might go into like

4969
03:28:54,399 --> 03:28:57,040
a final design stage.

4970
03:28:57,040 --> 03:28:58,080
>> Council members, do you have any

4971
03:28:58,080 --> 03:29:00,960
questions about that?

4972
03:29:00,960 --> 03:29:02,880
>> How long does this process take?

4973
03:29:02,880 --> 03:29:06,080
>> So, for this, I believe we had we're

4974
03:29:06,080 --> 03:29:08,319
looking out probably till next spring.

4975
03:29:08,319 --> 03:29:09,600
And and there's, you know, there's

4976
03:29:09,600 --> 03:29:11,359
review meetings. Uh, the folks from the

4977
03:29:11,359 --> 03:29:12,960
state are involved. You have to give

4978
03:29:12,960 --> 03:29:15,040
them time to,

4979
03:29:15,040 --> 03:29:19,279
you know, review things as well.

4980
03:29:19,279 --> 03:29:20,960
>> Okay. Any other questions, council

4981
03:29:20,960 --> 03:29:22,880
members?

4982
03:29:22,880 --> 03:29:25,040
I hope you get lots of comp time for

4983
03:29:25,040 --> 03:29:25,600
tomorrow.

4984
03:29:25,600 --> 03:29:28,239
>> Oh, yeah.

4985
03:29:28,239 --> 03:29:30,239
Note that everyone on the council has to

4986
03:29:30,239 --> 03:29:31,200
sign this. That's

4987
03:29:31,200 --> 03:29:32,720
>> Yes. I'm about to pass it down the road

4988
03:29:32,720 --> 03:29:34,160
here. I signed. We'll just get everybody

4989
03:29:34,160 --> 03:29:35,279
else to sign it.

4990
03:29:35,279 --> 03:29:37,279
>> Um, so I do we need a We probably need a

4991
03:29:37,279 --> 03:29:38,800
formal action, Joe. Right. On this one

4992
03:29:38,800 --> 03:29:41,040
to say we approve.

4993
03:29:41,040 --> 03:29:43,600
>> Yeah. Uh yeah, a motion and the approval

4994
03:29:43,600 --> 03:29:46,080
and to make also on the bottom of this

4995
03:29:46,080 --> 03:29:48,399
there's a authorized representative. Um

4996
03:29:48,399 --> 03:29:50,000
to make it legal, I would need to be

4997
03:29:50,000 --> 03:29:51,920
well somebody would need to I'll be the

4998
03:29:51,920 --> 03:29:54,800
authorized rep. Um I'm hoping.

4999
03:29:54,800 --> 03:29:58,560
>> So may I have a motion to approve the

5000
03:29:58,560 --> 03:30:01,279
application for the revolving loan uh

5001
03:30:01,279 --> 03:30:04,160
for the wastewater treatment facility

5002
03:30:04,160 --> 03:30:06,239
uh and to make Joe Gunter, our city

5003
03:30:06,239 --> 03:30:09,040
manager, the authorized representative.

5004
03:30:09,040 --> 03:30:10,479
So,

5005
03:30:10,479 --> 03:30:12,800
>> I've got a move two moves and a second.

5006
03:30:12,800 --> 03:30:15,840
Any take your pick there, Jim.

5007
03:30:15,840 --> 03:30:17,600
Any other comments or conversation about

5008
03:30:17,600 --> 03:30:18,800
this? And

5009
03:30:18,800 --> 03:30:21,600
>> just how long is it for?

5010
03:30:21,600 --> 03:30:23,120
How long is the loan for?

5011
03:30:23,120 --> 03:30:24,319
>> Mike, can you say a word about that?

5012
03:30:24,319 --> 03:30:28,239
>> Um, so I if if the result was this, you

5013
03:30:28,239 --> 03:30:29,200
don't have to do anything at your

5014
03:30:29,200 --> 03:30:30,960
wastewater treatment facility. We're all

5015
03:30:30,960 --> 03:30:34,399
done. Um, it's 5 years. Um, typically

5016
03:30:34,399 --> 03:30:35,840
it'll get rolled over into your

5017
03:30:35,840 --> 03:30:38,319
construction loan, which for the city of

5018
03:30:38,319 --> 03:30:41,600
Newport could be 30 or 40 years.

5019
03:30:41,600 --> 03:30:43,279
>> Okay. Something to look forward to,

5020
03:30:43,279 --> 03:30:44,800
council members.

5021
03:30:44,800 --> 03:30:46,800
>> Okay. I have a motion and a second. Oh,

5022
03:30:46,800 --> 03:30:48,000
go ahead, Sharon. Something you want to

5023
03:30:48,000 --> 03:30:48,399
add?

5024
03:30:48,399 --> 03:30:49,680
>> No, no, no, no.

5025
03:30:49,680 --> 03:30:51,279
>> All those in favor say I.

5026
03:30:51,279 --> 03:30:53,680
>> I. Oppose. Nay.

5027
03:30:53,680 --> 03:30:55,520
>> Motion carries. So, please I'll sign it

5028
03:30:55,520 --> 03:30:57,040
and give it down to Jim to sign at the

5029
03:30:57,040 --> 03:31:00,960
end. Okay. Moving along.

5030
03:31:00,960 --> 03:31:04,640
uh use of Oh, no. This is the number 10

5031
03:31:04,640 --> 03:31:06,319
preliminary wastewater allocation

5032
03:31:06,319 --> 03:31:08,080
application for and application for

5033
03:31:08,080 --> 03:31:10,399
water allocation turn on for Gary and

5034
03:31:10,399 --> 03:31:12,800
Lauren Gillespie and anticipated vote.

5035
03:31:12,800 --> 03:31:13,920
Joe, you want to say anything about

5036
03:31:13,920 --> 03:31:16,160
this? I would I'm hoping the board can

5037
03:31:16,160 --> 03:31:19,279
table this until next week. Um I think I

5038
03:31:19,279 --> 03:31:23,279
found a allocation calculation error um

5039
03:31:23,279 --> 03:31:26,000
when I when I reviewed the permit today.

5040
03:31:26,000 --> 03:31:28,000
So, is it okay if we kick the can down

5041
03:31:28,000 --> 03:31:28,640
the road?

5042
03:31:28,640 --> 03:31:30,560
>> It's certainly okay with me. board me uh

5043
03:31:30,560 --> 03:31:32,479
council members. Is that okay?

5044
03:31:32,479 --> 03:31:33,040
>> Okay.

5045
03:31:33,040 --> 03:31:34,720
>> This is the application for water

5046
03:31:34,720 --> 03:31:36,800
allocation from Gary and Lori Gillespie.

5047
03:31:36,800 --> 03:31:37,359
>> Yes.

5048
03:31:37,359 --> 03:31:39,760
>> Okay. So, our action is to take no

5049
03:31:39,760 --> 03:31:41,120
action tonight with the assumption that

5050
03:31:41,120 --> 03:31:44,479
it will be on the on the agenda again

5051
03:31:44,479 --> 03:31:47,680
Monday night the 21st.

5052
03:31:47,680 --> 03:31:51,120
>> Thank you, Joe.

5053
03:31:51,120 --> 03:31:53,439
Okay, next one. Use of reappraisal

5054
03:31:53,439 --> 03:31:55,279
reserve funds. I think Joe, you're on to

5055
03:31:55,279 --> 03:31:56,080
this one, too.

5056
03:31:56,080 --> 03:31:58,960
>> Yeah. Um, so, so and this is for you

5057
03:31:58,960 --> 03:32:02,479
with that. Uh, so tonight we do have a

5058
03:32:02,479 --> 03:32:06,640
uh uh a reserve fund for the reappraisal

5059
03:32:06,640 --> 03:32:08,960
of the of the properties here in

5060
03:32:08,960 --> 03:32:13,600
Newport. Uh there's currently 142,000

5061
03:32:13,600 --> 03:32:15,200
$689

5062
03:32:15,200 --> 03:32:18,710
$142,68946

5063
03:32:18,720 --> 03:32:21,840
in there. Um I'm asking the board to

5064
03:32:21,840 --> 03:32:24,319
approve the use of $50,000 to start the

5065
03:32:24,319 --> 03:32:27,920
reappraising process. Uh, we do have a

5066
03:32:27,920 --> 03:32:31,439
contract with a total of $243,000

5067
03:32:31,439 --> 03:32:35,110
to finish this process.

5068
03:32:35,120 --> 03:32:36,479
We've seen this one coming for a while,

5069
03:32:36,479 --> 03:32:38,640
too. Council members, uh, any questions

5070
03:32:38,640 --> 03:32:41,760
before we make that motion.

5071
03:32:41,760 --> 03:32:44,399
Okay, we have a motion to allocate uh

5072
03:32:44,399 --> 03:32:46,640
$50,000 out of that reappraisal fund.

5073
03:32:46,640 --> 03:32:48,640
>> So, move a motion. Do I have a second?

5074
03:32:48,640 --> 03:32:49,920
>> I'll second.

5075
03:32:49,920 --> 03:33:01,269
>> Any further conversation, Pam?

5076
03:33:01,279 --> 03:33:02,640
I thought we couldn't find one.

5077
03:33:02,640 --> 03:33:04,560
>> We do.

5078
03:33:04,560 --> 03:33:05,840
>> Uh, I don't know off the top of my head.

5079
03:33:05,840 --> 03:33:06,720
Do you, Joe?

5080
03:33:06,720 --> 03:33:08,640
>> I do. I have the contract right here. We

5081
03:33:08,640 --> 03:33:12,319
had two bids. NER was one of the biders.

5082
03:33:12,319 --> 03:33:13,760
Um, and this is the New England

5083
03:33:13,760 --> 03:33:16,239
Municipal Consultants. They were the

5084
03:33:16,239 --> 03:33:18,160
chosen contract which was signed back in

5085
03:33:18,160 --> 03:33:20,080
25 2025.

5086
03:33:20,080 --> 03:33:21,760
>> Yeah, we've we've known this one. We've

5087
03:33:21,760 --> 03:33:23,600
known for a while. Frank's been working

5088
03:33:23,600 --> 03:33:25,120
with them for over a year to prep for

5089
03:33:25,120 --> 03:33:26,640
this.

5090
03:33:26,640 --> 03:33:29,200
>> So, but you're right. There are other

5091
03:33:29,200 --> 03:33:30,800
ones that I know we've been up and down

5092
03:33:30,800 --> 03:33:32,239
on a variety of these, but this isn't

5093
03:33:32,239 --> 03:33:33,680
it.

5094
03:33:33,680 --> 03:33:36,080
>> Okay, we've got a motion and a second on

5095
03:33:36,080 --> 03:33:38,239
the floor. All those in favor say I.

5096
03:33:38,239 --> 03:33:38,800
>> I.

5097
03:33:38,800 --> 03:33:40,319
>> Oppos? Nay.

5098
03:33:40,319 --> 03:33:42,640
>> That motion carries.

5099
03:33:42,640 --> 03:33:44,880
>> Okay. The next next item is number 12,

5100
03:33:44,880 --> 03:33:47,120
consideration of a contract with BLCT.

5101
03:33:47,120 --> 03:33:48,319
That's Vermont League of Cities and

5102
03:33:48,319 --> 03:33:50,560
Towns for consulting services regarding

5103
03:33:50,560 --> 03:33:52,160
economic development. I'll speak to

5104
03:33:52,160 --> 03:33:54,960
this. Um

5105
03:33:54,960 --> 03:33:57,359
it's the judgment of the team that has

5106
03:33:57,359 --> 03:34:00,160
been working on the economic development

5107
03:34:00,160 --> 03:34:02,000
long-range planning which includes Dave

5108
03:34:02,000 --> 03:34:03,680
Leforce from Newport Downtown

5109
03:34:03,680 --> 03:34:07,279
Development now Joe Gunter and myself

5110
03:34:07,279 --> 03:34:10,720
uh and assisted often in those meetings

5111
03:34:10,720 --> 03:34:13,200
by Stephanie Clark from Whiteenberg that

5112
03:34:13,200 --> 03:34:16,000
it would be extremely useful to have

5113
03:34:16,000 --> 03:34:20,800
Dominic Cloud on speed dial um to offer

5114
03:34:20,800 --> 03:34:22,800
advice and counsel when when we bump

5115
03:34:22,800 --> 03:34:24,720
into challenges which are coming

5116
03:34:24,720 --> 03:34:27,359
regularly as you might imagine and we

5117
03:34:27,359 --> 03:34:29,040
couldn't think of anybody better to ask

5118
03:34:29,040 --> 03:34:31,680
for help. Basically the way this would

5119
03:34:31,680 --> 03:34:34,319
work is we could call on him as

5120
03:34:34,319 --> 03:34:38,080
necessary for $140 an hour. I think we

5121
03:34:38,080 --> 03:34:40,000
would expect that we would be using that

5122
03:34:40,000 --> 03:34:42,720
you know every couple or three months

5123
03:34:42,720 --> 03:34:46,399
for a like a three-hour sitdown with him

5124
03:34:46,399 --> 03:34:49,520
um or you know a conference call once a

5125
03:34:49,520 --> 03:34:51,439
month maybe. But the idea is basically

5126
03:34:51,439 --> 03:34:52,960
to be able to call in somebody who has

5127
03:34:52,960 --> 03:34:55,439
been living these questions for for now

5128
03:34:55,439 --> 03:34:58,000
almost 15 years and just have him

5129
03:34:58,000 --> 03:35:00,319
available to us. The funds would be

5130
03:35:00,319 --> 03:35:02,239
drawn from the Walmart economic

5131
03:35:02,239 --> 03:35:03,680
development fund. It would not impact

5132
03:35:03,680 --> 03:35:05,840
the operating budget. Joe, you want to

5133
03:35:05,840 --> 03:35:08,080
add anything to that?

5134
03:35:08,080 --> 03:35:10,239
>> Uh just that Dominic, he's what he's

5135
03:35:10,239 --> 03:35:12,960
done for his city is pretty remarkable.

5136
03:35:12,960 --> 03:35:14,399
It seemed like St. Alvin was in a

5137
03:35:14,399 --> 03:35:16,399
similar situation in Newport and they've

5138
03:35:16,399 --> 03:35:18,640
really turned their downtown around.

5139
03:35:18,640 --> 03:35:23,120
I think you'd be a val valuable asset.

5140
03:35:23,120 --> 03:35:25,840
>> Council member, any questions?

5141
03:35:25,840 --> 03:35:27,279
>> One of my questions was was this going

5142
03:35:27,279 --> 03:35:30,000
to be Walmart?

5143
03:35:30,000 --> 03:35:33,520
>> And just to be clear, we would as as

5144
03:35:33,520 --> 03:35:35,439
always council members are invited into

5145
03:35:35,439 --> 03:35:37,120
those conversations. So, if you if you'd

5146
03:35:37,120 --> 03:35:38,080
like to be a part of them, you're

5147
03:35:38,080 --> 03:35:40,000
welcome.

5148
03:35:40,000 --> 03:35:45,359
My only questions is these the services

5149
03:35:45,359 --> 03:35:48,960
listed in B are like there's no

5150
03:35:48,960 --> 03:35:52,880
description really. Um and I it leaves

5151
03:35:52,880 --> 03:35:55,359
me wanting more context

5152
03:35:55,359 --> 03:35:56,960
like supporting existing small

5153
03:35:56,960 --> 03:35:59,040
businesses how because I I feel that

5154
03:35:59,040 --> 03:36:00,960
Newport downtown Development does that.

5155
03:36:00,960 --> 03:36:04,319
I feel that

5156
03:36:04,319 --> 03:36:07,120
I thought Steph and me or Whitenberg

5157
03:36:07,120 --> 03:36:08,560
were addressing some of these other

5158
03:36:08,560 --> 03:36:10,399
things and I'm just kind of wanting to

5159
03:36:10,399 --> 03:36:12,160
know more.

5160
03:36:12,160 --> 03:36:13,040
Um,

5161
03:36:13,040 --> 03:36:15,120
>> yeah, it's about having another smart

5162
03:36:15,120 --> 03:36:17,439
head at the table really. That's really

5163
03:36:17,439 --> 03:36:18,880
what it comes down to. It does not

5164
03:36:18,880 --> 03:36:20,399
replace

5165
03:36:20,399 --> 03:36:22,800
Stephanie remains by far and away the

5166
03:36:22,800 --> 03:36:24,960
kind of key person that we're working

5167
03:36:24,960 --> 03:36:28,560
with. Um it it's a place for us to go to

5168
03:36:28,560 --> 03:36:31,680
say we're bumping into this problem and

5169
03:36:31,680 --> 03:36:33,200
what recommendations do you have? I'll

5170
03:36:33,200 --> 03:36:35,600
just give you an example. Um city of St.

5171
03:36:35,600 --> 03:36:38,880
Albins's uh has gone out of its way to

5172
03:36:38,880 --> 03:36:42,319
extend support to new small businesses

5173
03:36:42,319 --> 03:36:44,399
and entrepreneurs that they really want

5174
03:36:44,399 --> 03:36:46,399
to see on their main street. And

5175
03:36:46,399 --> 03:36:47,840
Dominic's had a lot of experience with

5176
03:36:47,840 --> 03:36:49,920
trying to create those support systems.

5177
03:36:49,920 --> 03:36:51,279
City of Newport doesn't have anything

5178
03:36:51,279 --> 03:36:53,600
like that at this point. ND doesn't

5179
03:36:53,600 --> 03:36:55,439
offer anything like that at this point.

5180
03:36:55,439 --> 03:36:58,080
It's really just a a possibility of

5181
03:36:58,080 --> 03:36:59,120
sitting down with somebody who's been

5182
03:36:59,120 --> 03:37:01,120
through it to say, "How does this work?

5183
03:37:01,120 --> 03:37:02,880
What would it take?" And to try and help

5184
03:37:02,880 --> 03:37:10,469
us ask the right questions,

5185
03:37:10,479 --> 03:37:15,110
» more you want to ask about that?

5186
03:37:15,120 --> 03:37:17,279
I guess I'm understanding that this I'm

5187
03:37:17,279 --> 03:37:18,880
hearing what you're saying, which is

5188
03:37:18,880 --> 03:37:20,399
this will enable you to have

5189
03:37:20,399 --> 03:37:24,080
conversations with a sister city who you

5190
03:37:24,080 --> 03:37:27,920
strive and look up to and would like

5191
03:37:27,920 --> 03:37:29,680
basically soundboard. And so there that

5192
03:37:29,680 --> 03:37:30,479
these

5193
03:37:30,479 --> 03:37:32,399
>> these are rather topics. They're not

5194
03:37:32,399 --> 03:37:33,840
necessarily they're not at all

5195
03:37:33,840 --> 03:37:35,200
deliverables. And I wasn't thinking that

5196
03:37:35,200 --> 03:37:36,800
they were there was going to be a

5197
03:37:36,800 --> 03:37:38,560
necessarily

5198
03:37:38,560 --> 03:37:41,279
explicit deliverable from them. I just I

5199
03:37:41,279 --> 03:37:42,800
think that's why I was like had

5200
03:37:42,800 --> 03:37:46,239
questions is because it's

5201
03:37:46,239 --> 03:37:48,880
>> right it's different than a consulting

5202
03:37:48,880 --> 03:37:51,120
contract where we would be asking for

5203
03:37:51,120 --> 03:37:53,279
honestly you know in the world I come

5204
03:37:53,279 --> 03:37:56,160
from it's more like coaching than it is

5205
03:37:56,160 --> 03:37:58,160
like consulting right it's the ability

5206
03:37:58,160 --> 03:38:00,640
to call and just be able to bounce ideas

5207
03:38:00,640 --> 03:38:02,800
around with someone we we approached

5208
03:38:02,800 --> 03:38:06,479
Dominic with this idea and said this is

5209
03:38:06,479 --> 03:38:07,680
you know we don't know if this is

5210
03:38:07,680 --> 03:38:09,120
something you typically do but we think

5211
03:38:09,120 --> 03:38:15,990
it would be really helpful to us.

5212
03:38:16,000 --> 03:38:20,239
» So, so I I was I'm um was having the

5213
03:38:20,239 --> 03:38:22,479
same kind of questions as Carter. So,

5214
03:38:22,479 --> 03:38:24,640
basically, you're saying that this is an

5215
03:38:24,640 --> 03:38:29,359
opportunity or um hey, help us out or

5216
03:38:29,359 --> 03:38:31,600
what do you think of or can you give us

5217
03:38:31,600 --> 03:38:35,120
some advice? It's not a particular topic

5218
03:38:35,120 --> 03:38:37,520
or content area. Is that what you're

5219
03:38:37,520 --> 03:38:40,880
saying when you say for the client for

5220
03:38:40,880 --> 03:38:42,800
consulting services.

5221
03:38:42,800 --> 03:38:44,399
>> No, what I'm saying is it may be

5222
03:38:44,399 --> 03:38:46,560
specific. We may go to him. I I expect

5223
03:38:46,560 --> 03:38:48,880
we will go to him with specific

5224
03:38:48,880 --> 03:38:51,279
questions and say, "Can you give us

5225
03:38:51,279 --> 03:38:52,960
advice about how you would handle this

5226
03:38:52,960 --> 03:38:54,800
in or do you have thoughts about where

5227
03:38:54,800 --> 03:38:56,399
we should go next with this question?"

5228
03:38:56,399 --> 03:38:58,239
Or, "How would you approach a developer

5229
03:38:58,239 --> 03:39:00,720
in this in this situation?"

5230
03:39:00,720 --> 03:39:01,200
>> It's just,

5231
03:39:01,200 --> 03:39:03,439
>> how would we get charged for that?

5232
03:39:03,439 --> 03:39:09,510
>> $140 an hour.

5233
03:39:09,520 --> 03:39:12,640
Does he do this for any other city or

5234
03:39:12,640 --> 03:39:18,319
town or does VLCT offer this service?

5235
03:39:18,319 --> 03:39:20,640
>> I I I don't know. I mean, the way the

5236
03:39:20,640 --> 03:39:22,880
closest thing that I know about is what

5237
03:39:22,880 --> 03:39:24,800
he does through VLCT to help with city

5238
03:39:24,800 --> 03:39:26,160
manager searches,

5239
03:39:26,160 --> 03:39:29,359
>> right? But I don't know if if um this is

5240
03:39:29,359 --> 03:39:33,520
a common occurrence for him

5241
03:39:33,520 --> 03:39:35,600
>> in this you would only use him

5242
03:39:35,600 --> 03:39:38,080
periodically. It wouldn't be a every

5243
03:39:38,080 --> 03:39:39,120
meeting.

5244
03:39:39,120 --> 03:39:41,439
>> Oh no, not at all. Just a consulting

5245
03:39:41,439 --> 03:39:45,600
consultant to ask questions to um

5246
03:39:45,600 --> 03:39:48,399
quarterly or once a month or something.

5247
03:39:48,399 --> 03:39:50,160
>> Yeah. Is that okay?

5248
03:39:50,160 --> 03:39:51,439
>> And if the council wanted to put some

5249
03:39:51,439 --> 03:39:52,640
kind of a limit on it, you're welcome

5250
03:39:52,640 --> 03:39:54,560
to. I mean, I really do think we're only

5251
03:39:54,560 --> 03:39:57,040
talking about, you know, an hour a month

5252
03:39:57,040 --> 03:39:58,720
and maybe every 3 months a three-hour

5253
03:39:58,720 --> 03:39:59,840
meeting or something like that. We're

5254
03:39:59,840 --> 03:40:04,469
not talking about a lot here.

5255
03:40:04,479 --> 03:40:05,920
» Ultimately, it's coming from the Walmart

5256
03:40:05,920 --> 03:40:09,040
funds. And so, therefore, I say go forth

5257
03:40:09,040 --> 03:40:10,560
and conquer and do what you need to do

5258
03:40:10,560 --> 03:40:12,560
to make

5259
03:40:12,560 --> 03:40:14,239
downtown

5260
03:40:14,239 --> 03:40:16,479
like all of the missions are associated.

5261
03:40:16,479 --> 03:40:18,560
I I'm I'm supportive in it if we have

5262
03:40:18,560 --> 03:40:20,640
the funds for it. I'm I'm not

5263
03:40:20,640 --> 03:40:22,479
undermining that. I'm just again wanting

5264
03:40:22,479 --> 03:40:24,800
to make sure that when we enter in an

5265
03:40:24,800 --> 03:40:27,120
obligation as I sign I know it.

5266
03:40:27,120 --> 03:40:27,920
>> What's your site?

5267
03:40:27,920 --> 03:40:29,760
>> Yeah,

5268
03:40:29,760 --> 03:40:32,080
>> I I have to agree on that and and though

5269
03:40:32,080 --> 03:40:34,880
I have not taken the time personally to

5270
03:40:34,880 --> 03:40:38,239
examine at great length what um the VCT

5271
03:40:38,239 --> 03:40:40,560
website has. I know they have lots of

5272
03:40:40,560 --> 03:40:42,160
wonderful services and I was just

5273
03:40:42,160 --> 03:40:46,319
wondering if that is a service or a if

5274
03:40:46,319 --> 03:40:49,840
there's anything that they can add

5275
03:40:49,840 --> 03:40:52,640
um to help us as because we are members,

5276
03:40:52,640 --> 03:40:53,279
right?

5277
03:40:53,279 --> 03:40:55,120
>> Oh, yes. And we use them on a regular

5278
03:40:55,120 --> 03:40:57,040
basis for all kinds of things. I mean,

5279
03:40:57,040 --> 03:40:59,279
as recently as a week ago, Carter and

5280
03:40:59,279 --> 03:41:01,680
Joe and I met with Kathleen Ramsay to

5281
03:41:01,680 --> 03:41:04,560
talk about uh priority priority based

5282
03:41:04,560 --> 03:41:05,840
budgeting,

5283
03:41:05,840 --> 03:41:08,800
>> right? So, do they have anything for for

5284
03:41:08,800 --> 03:41:10,560
economic development or do they have any

5285
03:41:10,560 --> 03:41:13,520
strategies or any resources for us to

5286
03:41:13,520 --> 03:41:15,359
tap into?

5287
03:41:15,359 --> 03:41:18,160
>> I guess my answer to that would be there

5288
03:41:18,160 --> 03:41:20,479
may be tools that we can use there. It's

5289
03:41:20,479 --> 03:41:22,319
not what we're looking for here. What

5290
03:41:22,319 --> 03:41:24,399
we're talking about here is coaching.

5291
03:41:24,399 --> 03:41:26,319
We're talking about we've just hit a

5292
03:41:26,319 --> 03:41:28,000
block. We can't figure out a way around

5293
03:41:28,000 --> 03:41:30,160
it. What creative thinking can we bring

5294
03:41:30,160 --> 03:41:32,000
to the table to help us try and think

5295
03:41:32,000 --> 03:41:33,920
about this in a different way? And

5296
03:41:33,920 --> 03:41:36,319
honestly, I think I can safely say that

5297
03:41:36,319 --> 03:41:39,120
Dominic Cloud is the most respected

5298
03:41:39,120 --> 03:41:41,920
person in the state when it comes to

5299
03:41:41,920 --> 03:41:43,359
kind of the economic development

5300
03:41:43,359 --> 03:41:46,960
questions before a city like ours.

5301
03:41:46,960 --> 03:41:49,920
>> Okay.

5302
03:41:49,920 --> 03:41:52,000
Ann, you want to speak?

5303
03:41:52,000 --> 03:41:54,399
>> Yeah.

5304
03:41:54,399 --> 03:41:56,479
>> Just sorry. real quickly and there's a

5305
03:41:56,479 --> 03:41:58,560
caller and um there's some background

5306
03:41:58,560 --> 03:42:01,359
noise so I I'm going to mute you just so

5307
03:42:01,359 --> 03:42:03,920
I can hear the room better. Um but I

5308
03:42:03,920 --> 03:42:06,640
believe you can unmute

5309
03:42:06,640 --> 03:42:08,319
just just letting you know.

5310
03:42:08,319 --> 03:42:10,880
>> Okay.

5311
03:42:10,880 --> 03:42:15,920
one is I'm a a little um appalled at the

5312
03:42:15,920 --> 03:42:19,760
number of agencies that are now helping

5313
03:42:19,760 --> 03:42:23,840
us out with it seems like the same kind

5314
03:42:23,840 --> 03:42:27,600
of economic development. We have NBD, we

5315
03:42:27,600 --> 03:42:29,840
had NVDA,

5316
03:42:29,840 --> 03:42:33,520
we have Whiten Burke and some of the

5317
03:42:33,520 --> 03:42:37,120
same um things that you suggest uh that

5318
03:42:37,120 --> 03:42:39,840
this gentleman would be doing are being

5319
03:42:39,840 --> 03:42:42,640
done or under the opaces. We're paying

5320
03:42:42,640 --> 03:42:45,520
bucks out of of the Walmart fund or some

5321
03:42:45,520 --> 03:42:49,840
other place uh to have them do the

5322
03:42:49,840 --> 03:42:52,399
specific things that are in this

5323
03:42:52,399 --> 03:42:54,880
contract. Uh, and there were only four

5324
03:42:54,880 --> 03:42:57,439
things, uh, as I recall. I don't have

5325
03:42:57,439 --> 03:42:59,439
the contract before me, but there were

5326
03:42:59,439 --> 03:43:01,439
only four things that he's supposed to

5327
03:43:01,439 --> 03:43:04,640
be doing, which I'm sure is in the same

5328
03:43:04,640 --> 03:43:08,239
contracts that we have with NBDA, with

5329
03:43:08,239 --> 03:43:11,520
Whitenberg. Um, and so we've got what I

5330
03:43:11,520 --> 03:43:13,279
would call people get fired for

5331
03:43:13,279 --> 03:43:14,960
redundancy

5332
03:43:14,960 --> 03:43:17,600
um, in big corporations, you know, and

5333
03:43:17,600 --> 03:43:19,760
that means they don't want doing the

5334
03:43:19,760 --> 03:43:21,840
same tasks, you know, we got somebody

5335
03:43:21,840 --> 03:43:23,920
else doing that task. we don't need this

5336
03:43:23,920 --> 03:43:28,560
person doing this task. So, um, one

5337
03:43:28,560 --> 03:43:31,040
thing that can certainly happen is since

5338
03:43:31,040 --> 03:43:32,800
they're all going for economic

5339
03:43:32,800 --> 03:43:35,439
development, they can all be doing the

5340
03:43:35,439 --> 03:43:38,000
same three things and we can be paying

5341
03:43:38,000 --> 03:43:40,720
the same well

5342
03:43:40,720 --> 03:43:44,000
140 an hour to him. I think Whitenberg

5343
03:43:44,000 --> 03:43:46,560
is far more than that and you know I

5344
03:43:46,560 --> 03:43:48,560
don't know what we're paying uh some of

5345
03:43:48,560 --> 03:43:52,479
the other organizations but redundancy

5346
03:43:52,479 --> 03:43:55,040
it seems to me is one problem that I see

5347
03:43:55,040 --> 03:43:57,680
unless you define the contract and make

5348
03:43:57,680 --> 03:44:00,160
it specific and even if they were to

5349
03:44:00,160 --> 03:44:03,920
call each other and say um hey are you

5350
03:44:03,920 --> 03:44:06,000
did you call so and so and find out

5351
03:44:06,000 --> 03:44:09,040
about such and such that's time that's

5352
03:44:09,040 --> 03:44:11,920
billable hours that conversation will

5353
03:44:11,920 --> 03:44:14,880
pay will pay them both, one and the

5354
03:44:14,880 --> 03:44:18,399
other for the same conversation. Uh, so

5355
03:44:18,399 --> 03:44:20,160
I'm I'm concerned about that. I'm

5356
03:44:20,160 --> 03:44:24,880
concerned about um the fact that this

5357
03:44:24,880 --> 03:44:29,520
contract says that they are to be paid

5358
03:44:29,520 --> 03:44:34,239
and and be this is this is VLCT is to be

5359
03:44:34,239 --> 03:44:38,239
paid on our receipt of the bill. Mariah,

5360
03:44:38,239 --> 03:44:40,880
the lawyer for the city, has just

5361
03:44:40,880 --> 03:44:43,600
recommended that we negotiate these

5362
03:44:43,600 --> 03:44:46,080
contracts so that we don't have to pay

5363
03:44:46,080 --> 03:44:49,120
on receipt. We we negotiate, he said,

5364
03:44:49,120 --> 03:44:51,840
for 60 days, you know, maybe just so

5365
03:44:51,840 --> 03:44:54,399
that we don't avoid problems like this.

5366
03:44:54,399 --> 03:44:56,640
And this contract is to be paid

5367
03:44:56,640 --> 03:44:59,359
immediately on receipt as I recall. And

5368
03:44:59,359 --> 03:45:02,000
then there are two other parts of it of

5369
03:45:02,000 --> 03:45:06,960
it that VLCT is our insurance company

5370
03:45:06,960 --> 03:45:08,960
and they are saying in this contract

5371
03:45:08,960 --> 03:45:11,199
that for the things that this man I

5372
03:45:11,199 --> 03:45:13,040
didn't know it was just this one person

5373
03:45:13,040 --> 03:45:16,640
is going to do um they don't he doesn't

5374
03:45:16,640 --> 03:45:19,920
accept any liability for any mistakes or

5375
03:45:19,920 --> 03:45:23,359
any errors that he makes. It's on us the

5376
03:45:23,359 --> 03:45:26,560
city. And then he says, which I I don't

5377
03:45:26,560 --> 03:45:28,800
think is even possible, that no matter

5378
03:45:28,800 --> 03:45:31,120
what the liability is, it can't be more

5379
03:45:31,120 --> 03:45:33,840
than how much he gets paid. He could do

5380
03:45:33,840 --> 03:45:36,239
a million dollars worth of damage to us

5381
03:45:36,239 --> 03:45:40,399
with some advice that he gives.

5382
03:45:40,399 --> 03:45:43,760
And because he only gets paid 10,000,

5383
03:45:43,760 --> 03:45:45,920
you know, he says the liability is only

5384
03:45:45,920 --> 03:45:47,439
10,000.

5385
03:45:47,439 --> 03:45:50,319
But then what's the city's liability? Is

5386
03:45:50,319 --> 03:45:52,640
it the 10 thou? because he's not paying

5387
03:45:52,640 --> 03:45:56,479
any liability on this contract or we're

5388
03:45:56,479 --> 03:45:59,199
paying the liability. And is it 10,000

5389
03:45:59,199 --> 03:46:03,199
what he paid him or is it the million

5390
03:46:03,199 --> 03:46:05,199
damage that he did? Now, I'm not saying

5391
03:46:05,199 --> 03:46:07,359
that that's going to happen, but I I I

5392
03:46:07,359 --> 03:46:10,319
think it's pretty atrocious that VLCT

5393
03:46:10,319 --> 03:46:12,880
has these contracts where they don't ex

5394
03:46:12,880 --> 03:46:16,800
they don't um assume responsibility for

5395
03:46:16,800 --> 03:46:19,359
the errors that they make. And I think

5396
03:46:19,359 --> 03:46:21,920
that uh that contract should be looked

5397
03:46:21,920 --> 03:46:24,720
at before it gets signed. And and I

5398
03:46:24,720 --> 03:46:31,120
agree with his order. We should limit if he's going to do a certain task, then

5399
03:46:31,120 --> 03:46:34,080
we should tell Weidenberg they're not

5400
03:46:34,080 --> 03:46:36,479
going to be needed to do that task so

5401
03:46:36,479 --> 03:46:38,800
that we don't have duplication with

5402
03:46:38,800 --> 03:46:40,880
respect to this.

5403
03:46:40,880 --> 03:46:43,359
>> This this is also brought up though with

5404
03:46:43,359 --> 03:46:46,399
the uh

5405
03:46:46,399 --> 03:46:47,760
downtown development. They said they

5406
03:46:47,760 --> 03:46:49,520
were going to have to bring in several

5407
03:46:49,520 --> 03:46:51,600
different people for different

5408
03:46:51,600 --> 03:46:54,319
perspectives. Um,

5409
03:46:54,319 --> 03:46:55,680
just to put that out there. I know

5410
03:46:55,680 --> 03:46:57,279
there's several companies that they're

5411
03:46:57,279 --> 03:46:58,720
working with now, but this is just

5412
03:46:58,720 --> 03:47:00,800
another tool in the toolbox essentially

5413
03:47:00,800 --> 03:47:02,880
that we could have. And I'm not saying

5414
03:47:02,880 --> 03:47:04,880
one way or the other. I'm just saying

5415
03:47:04,880 --> 03:47:07,439
that originally it was stated that they

5416
03:47:07,439 --> 03:47:10,000
would have to hire several different

5417
03:47:10,000 --> 03:47:12,720
contractors or so on to to do certain

5418
03:47:12,720 --> 03:47:16,319
pieces and this could be just another

5419
03:47:16,319 --> 03:47:20,960
adjoining piece to that. Um, knowing Dominic and knowing what he's

5420
03:47:20,960 --> 03:47:24,000
done, I think he would serve us very

5421
03:47:24,000 --> 03:47:25,840
well. But that's just my personal

5422
03:47:25,840 --> 03:47:29,680
opinion. Thank you.

5423
03:47:29,680 --> 03:47:32,720
I'll just say and

5424
03:47:32,720 --> 03:47:35,279
we would be foolish to have an

5425
03:47:35,279 --> 03:47:39,840
opportunity to to engage with somebody

5426
03:47:39,840 --> 03:47:42,239
of this level of expertise and not try

5427
03:47:42,239 --> 03:47:43,359
and take advantage of that.

5428
03:47:43,359 --> 03:47:46,000
>> Why are you hold You just spoke for

5429
03:47:46,000 --> 03:47:47,279
almost 10 minutes and I did not

5430
03:47:47,279 --> 03:47:48,640
interrupt you.

5431
03:47:48,640 --> 03:47:49,920
>> I thought you finished. I'm sorry.

5432
03:47:49,920 --> 03:47:51,680
>> Thank you.

5433
03:47:51,680 --> 03:47:54,800
We have in this in this moment a lot of

5434
03:47:54,800 --> 03:47:57,520
challenges before us. All of us agree

5435
03:47:57,520 --> 03:47:59,040
that the question of how economic

5436
03:47:59,040 --> 03:48:00,239
development in this community is going

5437
03:48:00,239 --> 03:48:02,800
to happen is significant. There are a

5438
03:48:02,800 --> 03:48:05,760
lot of hurdles and I I have no

5439
03:48:05,760 --> 03:48:07,520
compunction whatsoever about asking

5440
03:48:07,520 --> 03:48:09,920
whoever I think I can to give us the

5441
03:48:09,920 --> 03:48:12,399
best possible advice we can get. Just to

5442
03:48:12,399 --> 03:48:15,199
be clear, NVDA is not under contract

5443
03:48:15,199 --> 03:48:17,520
with the city. They're not paying. They

5444
03:48:17,520 --> 03:48:20,319
are doing us a massive favor by

5445
03:48:20,319 --> 03:48:22,399
receiving this property across the

5446
03:48:22,399 --> 03:48:24,239
street and doing mitigation and

5447
03:48:24,239 --> 03:48:26,239
remediation for brownfields at no cost

5448
03:48:26,239 --> 03:48:29,120
to the city. There is no cost there.

5449
03:48:29,120 --> 03:48:30,880
Just to be clear, Newport Downtown

5450
03:48:30,880 --> 03:48:33,600
Development is not receiving any payment

5451
03:48:33,600 --> 03:48:35,600
beyond the $30,000 a year that we've

5452
03:48:35,600 --> 03:48:38,080
been getting for over a decade now. We

5453
03:48:38,080 --> 03:48:40,080
have not asked for a single dime at

5454
03:48:40,080 --> 03:48:42,000
Newport Downtown Development from the

5455
03:48:42,000 --> 03:48:44,080
city council or the city of Newport to

5456
03:48:44,080 --> 03:48:45,840
pay for the services which have been

5457
03:48:45,840 --> 03:48:49,040
given almost entirely as volunteer. So

5458
03:48:49,040 --> 03:48:51,439
there's no cost as far as I'm concerned

5459
03:48:51,439 --> 03:48:53,120
to the city of Newport from Newport

5460
03:48:53,120 --> 03:48:56,080
Downtown Development. The the contract

5461
03:48:56,080 --> 03:48:57,840
with Whitenberg

5462
03:48:57,840 --> 03:49:01,359
honestly has I mean we are getting a lot

5463
03:49:01,359 --> 03:49:03,439
of a lot of bang for our buck with that

5464
03:49:03,439 --> 03:49:05,760
contract with Whitenberg. The expertise

5465
03:49:05,760 --> 03:49:07,520
that they bring to the table is

5466
03:49:07,520 --> 03:49:09,600
primarily around how we can work out the

5467
03:49:09,600 --> 03:49:12,000
specifics of development agreements and

5468
03:49:12,000 --> 03:49:14,640
whether or not we can develop proformas

5469
03:49:14,640 --> 03:49:16,640
that that is to say the financial

5470
03:49:16,640 --> 03:49:19,040
spreadsheets that will make a project

5471
03:49:19,040 --> 03:49:21,439
pencil so that we do not come to you or

5472
03:49:21,439 --> 03:49:24,080
go to the state until we know for sure

5473
03:49:24,080 --> 03:49:26,080
that we can make this work. And believe

5474
03:49:26,080 --> 03:49:27,520
me when I tell you that if we could have

5475
03:49:27,520 --> 03:49:29,279
done that a year ago, we would have done

5476
03:49:29,279 --> 03:49:31,760
it. In fact, the accusations that we

5477
03:49:31,760 --> 03:49:34,000
were getting a year ago was that we were

5478
03:49:34,000 --> 03:49:35,920
rushing the process and we were going to

5479
03:49:35,920 --> 03:49:38,160
make full hearty and un and unthoughtout

5480
03:49:38,160 --> 03:49:40,239
decisions. And to the contrary, what

5481
03:49:40,239 --> 03:49:42,000
we've gotten from Whitenberg is

5482
03:49:42,000 --> 03:49:44,000
thoughtful counsel every step of the way

5483
03:49:44,000 --> 03:49:46,560
about just what the challenges are. All

5484
03:49:46,560 --> 03:49:48,880
we're asking for here is somebody who is

5485
03:49:48,880 --> 03:49:51,680
an expert in his field to give us advice

5486
03:49:51,680 --> 03:49:53,920
in response to specific questions when

5487
03:49:53,920 --> 03:49:57,279
we have them at 140 bucks an hour. Maybe

5488
03:49:57,279 --> 03:49:59,600
we're talking about spending a,000 or

5489
03:49:59,600 --> 03:50:01,840
1,200 or 1,500 bucks every couple of

5490
03:50:01,840 --> 03:50:04,080
months, every 3 months. We're not

5491
03:50:04,080 --> 03:50:06,000
talking about a lot of money here. It's

5492
03:50:06,000 --> 03:50:08,800
money well spent. If you want to do, if

5493
03:50:08,800 --> 03:50:10,640
we all want to do, and the council has

5494
03:50:10,640 --> 03:50:12,160
made it clear that they do want to

5495
03:50:12,160 --> 03:50:14,319
engage in a long-term strategy for

5496
03:50:14,319 --> 03:50:16,399
economic development in the city, this

5497
03:50:16,399 --> 03:50:18,479
is what it's going to take to do it. And

5498
03:50:18,479 --> 03:50:20,399
this ask in particular strikes me as

5499
03:50:20,399 --> 03:50:24,160
being incredibly cost-effective.

5500
03:50:24,160 --> 03:50:27,680
And when you say we, do you mean ND?

5501
03:50:27,680 --> 03:50:30,000
We ND

5502
03:50:30,000 --> 03:50:31,840
the organization. It is not a secret.

5503
03:50:31,840 --> 03:50:33,520
And I don't know why you insist on

5504
03:50:33,520 --> 03:50:35,439
making you repeat it time after time.

5505
03:50:35,439 --> 03:50:37,359
Everyone in this room knows that I'm the

5506
03:50:37,359 --> 03:50:38,640
director of Newport Downtown

5507
03:50:38,640 --> 03:50:40,560
Development. Everyone in this room knows

5508
03:50:40,560 --> 03:50:42,640
that I'm the mayor. Everyone in this

5509
03:50:42,640 --> 03:50:44,720
room knows that we have a memorandum of

5510
03:50:44,720 --> 03:50:46,479
understanding between the city council

5511
03:50:46,479 --> 03:50:48,640
and Newport Downtown Development that I

5512
03:50:48,640 --> 03:50:50,640
did not participate in any way in

5513
03:50:50,640 --> 03:50:52,399
creating. I stayed out of all of the

5514
03:50:52,399 --> 03:50:54,319
negotiation. I stayed out of the room

5515
03:50:54,319 --> 03:50:56,560
for all of the conversation.

5516
03:50:56,560 --> 03:50:59,040
So when I say we, in this instance, what

5517
03:50:59,040 --> 03:51:01,359
I'm saying is the organization Newport

5518
03:51:01,359 --> 03:51:03,520
Downtown Development is doing a

5519
03:51:03,520 --> 03:51:05,760
phenomenal service for this city. If we

5520
03:51:05,760 --> 03:51:08,160
had to pay for this service, we would be

5521
03:51:08,160 --> 03:51:10,080
paying more money than you can really

5522
03:51:10,080 --> 03:51:12,239
imagine in order to hire the kind of

5523
03:51:12,239 --> 03:51:13,840
development staff that we've gotten and

5524
03:51:13,840 --> 03:51:15,359
the kind of assistance that we've gotten

5525
03:51:15,359 --> 03:51:17,520
from Newport Downtown Development. I

5526
03:51:17,520 --> 03:51:20,080
grow weary of the constant accusation

5527
03:51:20,080 --> 03:51:22,239
that happens at a low level almost all

5528
03:51:22,239 --> 03:51:24,399
the time. And when I tell you that we

5529
03:51:24,399 --> 03:51:26,640
are doing our level best to treat this

5530
03:51:26,640 --> 03:51:28,720
seriously and to be as careful as we

5531
03:51:28,720 --> 03:51:31,120
possibly can with the city's resources,

5532
03:51:31,120 --> 03:51:33,199
please believe me when I tell you we're

5533
03:51:33,199 --> 03:51:34,640
doing everything we can to try and

5534
03:51:34,640 --> 03:51:37,600
protect the city. And this, in fact,

5535
03:51:37,600 --> 03:51:39,920
this contract is about that. It's about

5536
03:51:39,920 --> 03:51:41,920
saying if there are areas where Newport

5537
03:51:41,920 --> 03:51:43,439
downtown development does not have

5538
03:51:43,439 --> 03:51:45,680
experience and we can get experience

5539
03:51:45,680 --> 03:51:47,199
from somebody who's clearly been through

5540
03:51:47,199 --> 03:51:49,120
this over and over and over again, we

5541
03:51:49,120 --> 03:51:50,960
would be foolish not to do so. And I

5542
03:51:50,960 --> 03:51:52,319
suspect you'd be the first one in the

5543
03:51:52,319 --> 03:51:54,160
microphone to call us foolish for doing

5544
03:51:54,160 --> 03:51:55,359
it.

5545
03:51:55,359 --> 03:51:58,000
So all I'm asking is that once in a

5546
03:51:58,000 --> 03:52:01,120
while there's there be some recognition

5547
03:52:01,120 --> 03:52:02,960
of all of the incredible thought that's

5548
03:52:02,960 --> 03:52:04,640
going into this because I don't think

5549
03:52:04,640 --> 03:52:06,960
one time not one time have I ever heard

5550
03:52:06,960 --> 03:52:09,680
you say I appreciate all that's going

5551
03:52:09,680 --> 03:52:11,760
into this that has been phenomenal

5552
03:52:11,760 --> 03:52:15,279
volunteer hours and it's it's a it wears

5553
03:52:15,279 --> 03:52:16,960
on me.

5554
03:52:16,960 --> 03:52:19,920
All I ever get on a personal level is

5555
03:52:19,920 --> 03:52:22,239
negativity from you.

5556
03:52:22,239 --> 03:52:23,920
And I'm just telling you, a lot of

5557
03:52:23,920 --> 03:52:27,120
people have worked really hard at at at

5558
03:52:27,120 --> 03:52:29,439
no no remuneration, not unlike the

5559
03:52:29,439 --> 03:52:30,720
charter process we've just been through.

5560
03:52:30,720 --> 03:52:32,080
There are a lot of people in this city

5561
03:52:32,080 --> 03:52:34,720
stepping up right now.

5562
03:52:34,720 --> 03:52:37,760
So, I'm asking the council to do

5563
03:52:37,760 --> 03:52:39,279
something that I think is incredibly

5564
03:52:39,279 --> 03:52:41,520
cost-effective and that could help us to

5565
03:52:41,520 --> 03:52:43,680
avoid some real pitfalls in this

5566
03:52:43,680 --> 03:52:45,279
community and we'd be foolish not to

5567
03:52:45,279 --> 03:52:47,040
take advantage of. What about the

5568
03:52:47,040 --> 03:52:48,160
liability issue?

5569
03:52:48,160 --> 03:52:50,239
>> There is no liability issue. There's no

5570
03:52:50,239 --> 03:52:52,800
liability issue. No, Listen to me. No

5571
03:52:52,800 --> 03:52:55,520
decisions are being made without coming

5572
03:52:55,520 --> 03:52:56,880
to the council and having a full

5573
03:52:56,880 --> 03:52:59,279
consideration. Every decision we make

5574
03:52:59,279 --> 03:53:01,359
about what to do next is being discussed

5575
03:53:01,359 --> 03:53:05,279
with the council fully. The council is fully a breast of all of what we're

5576
03:53:05,279 --> 03:53:05,680
doing.

5577
03:53:05,680 --> 03:53:07,359
>> So why do they have a waiver of

5578
03:53:07,359 --> 03:53:08,880
liability in there?

5579
03:53:08,880 --> 03:53:09,760
>> All contracts.

5580
03:53:09,760 --> 03:53:11,120
do. Yeah.

5581
03:53:11,120 --> 03:53:13,680
>> Yeah. Joe,

5582
03:53:13,680 --> 03:53:15,760
>> not to cut the the conversation short,

5583
03:53:15,760 --> 03:53:17,279
but I think it was a there was a

5584
03:53:17,279 --> 03:53:19,040
conversation about signing a contract,

5585
03:53:19,040 --> 03:53:22,720
not necessarily arguing the um what was

5586
03:53:22,720 --> 03:53:26,000
necessarily waiver or the liability

5587
03:53:26,000 --> 03:53:29,670
issue.

5588
03:53:29,680 --> 03:53:32,720
I'll make a motion that the city council

5589
03:53:32,720 --> 03:53:36,319
approve of the signing of the contract

5590
03:53:36,319 --> 03:53:38,880
uh between the city as service agreement

5591
03:53:38,880 --> 03:53:41,840
with Vermont League of Cities and Towns.

5592
03:53:41,840 --> 03:53:42,880
>> I have a motion.

5593
03:53:42,880 --> 03:53:43,600
>> I'll second

5594
03:53:43,600 --> 03:53:46,960
>> and a second. Any further discussion?

5595
03:53:46,960 --> 03:53:49,359
>> All those in favor, please say I.

5596
03:53:49,359 --> 03:53:51,279
>> Oppose. Nay.

5597
03:53:51,279 --> 03:54:00,950
>> Motion carries. Thank you.

5598
03:54:00,960 --> 03:54:03,279
Okay, we are on to the task force

5599
03:54:03,279 --> 03:54:05,359
reports.

5600
03:54:05,359 --> 03:54:07,680
Uh, anything from water and sewer, John?

5601
03:54:07,680 --> 03:54:11,040
>> No. Um, I'm waiting until we get the end

5602
03:54:11,040 --> 03:54:13,120
of year financials from Chip before we

5603
03:54:13,120 --> 03:54:15,199
schedule a meeting.

5604
03:54:15,199 --> 03:54:17,199
>> Okay.

5605
03:54:17,199 --> 03:54:18,800
>> Financial task force.

5606
03:54:18,800 --> 03:54:21,040
>> We're meeting on Wednesday. One of my

5607
03:54:21,040 --> 03:54:23,279
agenda items was to go over the end of

5608
03:54:23,279 --> 03:54:25,520
year budget, but I definitely was like,

5609
03:54:25,520 --> 03:54:29,520
I better spend enough time. So,

5610
03:54:29,520 --> 03:54:31,920
see if that item comes to fruition, but

5611
03:54:31,920 --> 03:54:33,680
beyond that, meet with us. We're

5612
03:54:33,680 --> 03:54:37,279
discussing right now mainly policies to

5613
03:54:37,279 --> 03:54:40,800
guide the city best practices. Um, and

5614
03:54:40,800 --> 03:54:42,800
then one minor announcement is a task

5615
03:54:42,800 --> 03:54:45,199
force member had to step back. So now we

5616
03:54:45,199 --> 03:54:47,680
I mean it's always been a rolling basis,

5617
03:54:47,680 --> 03:54:49,359
but if you know of anybody that has

5618
03:54:49,359 --> 03:54:51,600
interest in joining the financial task

5619
03:54:51,600 --> 03:54:56,790
force, let me know.

5620
03:54:56,800 --> 03:54:58,080
» And the next meeting card

5621
03:54:58,080 --> 03:55:00,319
>> Oh, Wednesday 8 a.m.

5622
03:55:00,319 --> 03:55:02,960
>> the 16th.

5623
03:55:02,960 --> 03:55:07,279
injure. Uh as far as the first two um we

5624
03:55:07,279 --> 03:55:10,560
are they're working with the software

5625
03:55:10,560 --> 03:55:12,160
team

5626
03:55:12,160 --> 03:55:15,600
on some development stuff. Um being all

5627
03:55:15,600 --> 03:55:18,399
the apparatus everything is being put in

5628
03:55:18,399 --> 03:55:20,800
now still entered in the system. There's

5629
03:55:20,800 --> 03:55:22,880
it's amazing how much stuff gets entered

5630
03:55:22,880 --> 03:55:24,399
into

5631
03:55:24,399 --> 03:55:26,319
uh this program but they are working on

5632
03:55:26,319 --> 03:55:29,120
that. They're working digent digitally

5633
03:55:29,120 --> 03:55:32,160
on that and uh we're not going to have

5634
03:55:32,160 --> 03:55:33,760
another meeting until after that is

5635
03:55:33,760 --> 03:55:35,279
operational and it's used for

5636
03:55:35,279 --> 03:55:37,439
approximately 30 days so we can have

5637
03:55:37,439 --> 03:55:40,239
some try to work the bugs out with it.

5638
03:55:40,239 --> 03:55:43,600
Um and hopefully that will be

5639
03:55:43,600 --> 03:55:46,239
I'm hopeful that that will be

5640
03:55:46,239 --> 03:55:50,160
potentially in November time.

5641
03:55:50,160 --> 03:55:51,680
>> Excellent. Thank you.

5642
03:55:51,680 --> 03:55:55,510
>> Any questions for Andrew?

5643
03:55:55,520 --> 03:55:57,920
Okay. hearing none.

5644
03:55:57,920 --> 03:56:00,479
I'm gonna uh just say a word about this

5645
03:56:00,479 --> 03:56:01,920
next session because I'm going to recuse

5646
03:56:01,920 --> 03:56:04,560
myself. I want to be clear, but we've

5647
03:56:04,560 --> 03:56:05,760
had somebody raise a question about

5648
03:56:05,760 --> 03:56:08,239
whether or not it was appropriate for uh

5649
03:56:08,239 --> 03:56:10,960
myself and for Carter to be involved in

5650
03:56:10,960 --> 03:56:12,720
the executive session regarding Newport

5651
03:56:12,720 --> 03:56:14,960
Downtown Developments uh report on

5652
03:56:14,960 --> 03:56:16,960
sensitive real estate matters. Normally,

5653
03:56:16,960 --> 03:56:19,199
I would say that there's not a conflict

5654
03:56:19,199 --> 03:56:21,840
nor an appearance of conflict. Um and I

5655
03:56:21,840 --> 03:56:23,279
reserve that right to continue to make

5656
03:56:23,279 --> 03:56:25,359
that statement. tonight, given the

5657
03:56:25,359 --> 03:56:27,840
sensitive nature of the conversation and

5658
03:56:27,840 --> 03:56:29,680
the reality that we're talking about the

5659
03:56:29,680 --> 03:56:33,520
potential uh for uh an offer to be made

5660
03:56:33,520 --> 03:56:36,560
to the city of property and what that

5661
03:56:36,560 --> 03:56:38,000
what might happen with that property.

5662
03:56:38,000 --> 03:56:39,359
I'm going to recuse myself from that

5663
03:56:39,359 --> 03:56:41,600
conversation tonight.

5664
03:56:41,600 --> 03:56:44,560
>> And um I'm not going to recuse myself

5665
03:56:44,560 --> 03:56:46,239
because this matter has nothing to do

5666
03:56:46,239 --> 03:56:47,920
with my employer, Northeastern Vermont

5667
03:56:47,920 --> 03:56:51,279
Development Association. Um, and similar

5668
03:56:51,279 --> 03:56:53,040
to statements

5669
03:56:53,040 --> 03:56:56,479
said earlier, um,

5670
03:56:56,479 --> 03:56:58,640
it is tiresome to have the blunt

5671
03:56:58,640 --> 03:57:01,680
instrument of my employer beating down

5672
03:57:01,680 --> 03:57:03,600
on me constantly and it's actually risen

5673
03:57:03,600 --> 03:57:05,120
to the level of folks have made

5674
03:57:05,120 --> 03:57:07,279
complaints on the federal government and

5675
03:57:07,279 --> 03:57:11,600
gone after my um, career. So, it's I'm

5676
03:57:11,600 --> 03:57:14,479
going to keep it vague, but it has

5677
03:57:14,479 --> 03:57:20,080
really truly um, crossed a line. So, but

5678
03:57:20,080 --> 03:57:22,560
I nonetheless it's appropriate to ask

5679
03:57:22,560 --> 03:57:24,720
and inquire and say, "Hey, is there a

5680
03:57:24,720 --> 03:57:26,720
conflict?" Um, but the property that is

5681
03:57:26,720 --> 03:57:29,199
being discussed uh has nothing to do

5682
03:57:29,199 --> 03:57:31,520
with NBDA. So, just want to make that

5683
03:57:31,520 --> 03:57:32,399
clear.

5684
03:57:32,399 --> 03:57:34,239
>> Okay. So, I'll excuse myself and you'll

5685
03:57:34,239 --> 03:57:35,840
call that motion to bring it into order.

5686
03:57:35,840 --> 03:57:37,680
Remember, you got it changed.

5687
03:57:37,680 --> 03:57:40,080
>> Yes.

5688
03:57:40,080 --> 03:57:43,680
Um, I make a motion to move us into the

5689
03:57:43,680 --> 03:57:47,920
executive section as per 1BSA subsection

5690
03:57:47,920 --> 03:57:51,680
313 A2 for the purpose of receiving an

5691
03:57:51,680 --> 03:57:53,920
update from Newport downtown development

5692
03:57:53,920 --> 03:57:55,120
regarding the sensitive real estate

5693
03:57:55,120 --> 03:57:57,359
matters related to development plans for

5694
03:57:57,359 --> 03:57:59,359
downtown Newport. I would assume we

5695
03:57:59,359 --> 03:58:01,199
would invite Dave Leforce of Newport

5696
03:58:01,199 --> 03:58:02,560
Downtown Development into that

5697
03:58:02,560 --> 03:58:06,479
conversation and Joe Gunter, our city

5698
03:58:06,479 --> 03:58:11,590
manager. Um,

5699
03:58:11,600 --> 03:58:15,040
Oh, okay. All right. All those in favor,

5700
03:58:15,040 --> 03:58:16,239
please say I.

5701
03:58:16,239 --> 03:58:18,239
>> I.

5702
03:58:18,239 --> 03:58:19,920
>> I'll practice the flow for next week,

5703
03:58:19,920 --> 03:58:21,439
y'all. All right. We're going to

5704
03:58:21,439 --> 03:58:37,590
executive session.

5705
03:58:37,600 --> 03:58:41,359
When I first got into the airports,

5706
03:58:41,359 --> 03:58:43,680
>> I hope

5707
03:58:43,680 --> 03:58:48,239
I didn't close the

5708
03:58:48,239 --> 03:59:03,510
end and the whole meeting

5709
03:59:03,520 --> 03:59:06,000
» Okay. So I make a motion to come out of

5710
03:59:06,000 --> 03:59:09,680
the executive session with the whole

5711
03:59:09,680 --> 03:59:11,120
>> No, during which the election was

5712
03:59:11,120 --> 03:59:12,319
>> during which no action was

5713
03:59:12,319 --> 03:59:13,439
>> assuming you took no action.

5714
03:59:13,439 --> 03:59:15,279
>> You didn't

5715
03:59:15,279 --> 03:59:16,080
move.

5716
03:59:16,080 --> 03:59:18,560
>> Great. I'll second.

5717
03:59:18,560 --> 03:59:21,120
>> All those in favor please say I

5718
03:59:21,120 --> 03:59:24,080
>> I

5719
03:59:24,080 --> 03:59:25,840
>> thank you.

5720
03:59:25,840 --> 03:59:29,120
>> Okay. So item number 15. This is an

5721
03:59:29,120 --> 03:59:31,840
executive session as per one VSA for uh

5722
03:59:31,840 --> 03:59:33,359
31382

5723
03:59:33,359 --> 03:59:35,359
for the purpose of receiving an update

5724
03:59:35,359 --> 03:59:36,800
from Newport Downtown Development

5725
03:59:36,800 --> 03:59:38,239
regarding sensitive real estate matters

5726
03:59:38,239 --> 03:59:40,800
related to cell phone tower leases. I

5727
03:59:40,800 --> 03:59:42,080
have a motion to go into executive

5728
03:59:42,080 --> 03:59:42,479
session.

5729
03:59:42,479 --> 03:59:44,239
>> I'll make that motion.

5730
03:59:44,239 --> 03:59:46,239
>> Second.

5731
03:59:46,239 --> 03:59:48,000
>> All those in favor say I.

5732
03:59:48,000 --> 03:59:50,479
>> And should we that to invite

5733
03:59:50,479 --> 03:59:52,640
>> Yes. Thank you. We need to invite David

5734
03:59:52,640 --> 03:59:55,359
and Joe Gunter to remain.

5735
03:59:55,359 --> 04:00:00,229
>> Thank you.

5736
04:00:00,239 --> 04:00:12,150
All in favor say I.

5737
04:00:12,160 --> 04:00:14,319
» The cameras back on too.

5738
04:00:14,319 --> 04:00:15,520
>> All right. May I have a motion to come

5739
04:00:15,520 --> 04:00:18,319
out of executive session during which no

5740
04:00:18,319 --> 04:00:18,880
motion?

5741
04:00:18,880 --> 04:00:20,560
>> Second. I have a motion in a second. All

5742
04:00:20,560 --> 04:00:22,160
in favor say I.

5743
04:00:22,160 --> 04:00:23,680
>> Oppose. Nay.

5744
04:00:23,680 --> 04:00:28,080
>> Motion carries. So item 16,

5745
04:00:28,080 --> 04:00:30,560
uh, basically we just want to say out

5746
04:00:30,560 --> 04:00:33,600
loud to everybody that, um, council is

5747
04:00:33,600 --> 04:00:38,880
considering an offer, uh, to sell the

5748
04:00:38,880 --> 04:00:41,120
for someone else to purchase the

5749
04:00:41,120 --> 04:00:44,399
long-term rights of the cell tower site

5750
04:00:44,399 --> 04:00:46,319
up at the reservoir. Mhm.

5751
04:00:46,319 --> 04:00:49,840
>> Um we are in pursuing that option as a

5752
04:00:49,840 --> 04:00:53,359
way to come up with some uh cash for the

5753
04:00:53,359 --> 04:00:54,800
match that we're looking for for the

5754
04:00:54,800 --> 04:00:58,479
NBRC grant to do development work. And

5755
04:00:58,479 --> 04:01:01,120
we expect to have some kind of an offer.

5756
04:01:01,120 --> 04:01:03,439
We hope to have some kind of an offer to

5757
04:01:03,439 --> 04:01:06,960
put in the packet for the next meeting.

5758
04:01:06,960 --> 04:01:08,960
And assuming everything goes well, we'll

5759
04:01:08,960 --> 04:01:10,319
have an action for the council to take

5760
04:01:10,319 --> 04:01:12,399
at the next meeting because we're aware

5761
04:01:12,399 --> 04:01:14,319
that we need to warn it if we're going

5762
04:01:14,319 --> 04:01:16,319
to take this action for the November 3rd

5763
04:01:16,319 --> 04:01:19,760
meeting. Um, I'll just say our current

5764
04:01:19,760 --> 04:01:22,560
lease runs out in November. So, there's

5765
04:01:22,560 --> 04:01:25,439
some time sensitivity to this. Anybody

5766
04:01:25,439 --> 04:01:27,439
want to add anything to that, council

5767
04:01:27,439 --> 04:01:30,800
members? Joe, anything you want to add?

5768
04:01:30,800 --> 04:01:31,439
No, sir.

5769
04:01:31,439 --> 04:01:33,279
>> Okay.

5770
04:01:33,279 --> 04:01:36,000
All right. Um,

5771
04:01:36,000 --> 04:01:37,760
new business. Council members. Anything

5772
04:01:37,760 --> 04:01:38,880
you want to put on for new business

5773
04:01:38,880 --> 04:01:40,080
tonight? Carter?

5774
04:01:40,080 --> 04:01:42,479
>> I just wanted to say thank you to the

5775
04:01:42,479 --> 04:01:45,680
drivers and ATVers. I was out on the

5776
04:01:45,680 --> 04:01:48,640
main street for Newport Recreation

5777
04:01:48,640 --> 04:01:50,720
Committees like coin drop and it's

5778
04:01:50,720 --> 04:01:53,040
always just a fun buzz where you check

5779
04:01:53,040 --> 04:01:55,920
in with folks and you know it's just a

5780
04:01:55,920 --> 04:01:57,680
really positive day. So, don't know what

5781
04:01:57,680 --> 04:01:58,319
the numbers are.

5782
04:01:58,319 --> 04:01:59,359
>> I was going to ask do you know what you

5783
04:01:59,359 --> 04:02:02,800
made? No, but it's always it's very

5784
04:02:02,800 --> 04:02:06,399
silly and very high like for the effort.

5785
04:02:06,399 --> 04:02:08,720
Um, but it's just, you know, just a fun

5786
04:02:08,720 --> 04:02:10,239
blast.

5787
04:02:10,239 --> 04:02:10,800
So,

5788
04:02:10,800 --> 04:02:12,000
>> thanks.

5789
04:02:12,000 --> 04:02:12,640
>> Injured?

5790
04:02:12,640 --> 04:02:13,359
>> No. Thank you.

5791
04:02:13,359 --> 04:02:13,680
>> John,

5792
04:02:13,680 --> 04:02:14,319
>> no.

5793
04:02:14,319 --> 04:02:17,120
>> Sharon, anything?

5794
04:02:17,120 --> 04:02:18,000
>> Joe?

5795
04:02:18,000 --> 04:02:18,720
>> No, sir.

5796
04:02:18,720 --> 04:02:19,439
>> And Jim,

5797
04:02:19,439 --> 04:02:20,160
>> no.

5798
04:02:20,160 --> 04:02:20,800
>> All right.

5799
04:02:20,800 --> 04:02:22,160
>> Wait, I do have something.

5800
04:02:22,160 --> 04:02:24,239
>> Go ahead, Sharon. I just want to thank I

5801
04:02:24,239 --> 04:02:27,040
just want to thank the council for um

5802
04:02:27,040 --> 04:02:29,359
the support with the charter task force

5803
04:02:29,359 --> 04:02:32,800
and all the work that we were we did and

5804
04:02:32,800 --> 04:02:34,640
cross our fingers and now we got to

5805
04:02:34,640 --> 04:02:37,439
build it up really well.

5806
04:02:37,439 --> 04:02:39,199
>> But thank you. Thank you. It was a lot

5807
04:02:39,199 --> 04:02:43,279
of work as John and all of you know.

5808
04:02:43,279 --> 04:02:45,920
>> It was a huge amount of work. So thank

5809
04:02:45,920 --> 04:02:48,640
you Sharon for all you did to hold that

5810
04:02:48,640 --> 04:02:49,920
together even in the midst of your

5811
04:02:49,920 --> 04:02:52,880
family stuff. So, anybody have an old

5812
04:02:52,880 --> 04:02:54,000
business item you want to put on the

5813
04:02:54,000 --> 04:02:56,720
table tonight?

5814
04:02:56,720 --> 04:02:59,439
>> I No, it's fine.

5815
04:02:59,439 --> 04:03:01,520
>> Okay. I'm just going to remind folks

5816
04:03:01,520 --> 04:03:03,520
that I will be gone next week for the

5817
04:03:03,520 --> 04:03:05,680
meeting and I'm leaving on the 19th,

5818
04:03:05,680 --> 04:03:09,359
Saturday night, back on October 3rd. So,

5819
04:03:09,359 --> 04:03:10,160
>> lovely trip.

5820
04:03:10,160 --> 04:03:12,239
>> Thank you. Have a great

5821
04:03:12,239 --> 04:03:13,040
>> enjoy yourself.

5822
04:03:13,040 --> 04:03:15,279
>> Yeah. Have a great meeting without me.

5823
04:03:15,279 --> 04:03:17,439
I'm not going to try and zoom in from

5824
04:03:17,439 --> 04:03:20,239
France. So I might if it were 5 hours

5825
04:03:20,239 --> 04:03:21,600
behind. I'm definitely not going to do

5826
04:03:21,600 --> 04:03:24,160
it. It's 5 hours ahead.

5827
04:03:24,160 --> 04:03:26,160
>> 7 hours ahead of you.

5828
04:03:26,160 --> 04:03:26,720
>> What's that?

5829
04:03:26,720 --> 04:03:30,160
>> Isn't seven hours?

5830
04:03:30,160 --> 04:03:31,600
>> I don't know. It's a lot. It's too much

5831
04:03:31,600 --> 04:03:33,359
to start a meeting at 11 o'clock or

5832
04:03:33,359 --> 04:03:34,720
12:00 at night.

5833
04:03:34,720 --> 04:03:35,920
>> Especially if somebody runs a meeting

5834
04:03:35,920 --> 04:03:38,399
the way I do it, it goes until 4 in the

5835
04:03:38,399 --> 04:03:39,920
morning.

5836
04:03:39,920 --> 04:03:42,319
Um, so we have a motion to set the next

5837
04:03:42,319 --> 04:03:43,760
meeting of the council. Call a regular

5838
04:03:43,760 --> 04:03:45,840
meeting scheduled for September 21st,

5839
04:03:45,840 --> 04:03:50,080
2026 at 6 p.m. So second.

5840
04:03:50,080 --> 04:03:51,680
>> All in favor say I.

5841
04:03:51,680 --> 04:03:52,080
>> I.

5842
04:03:52,080 --> 04:03:53,359
>> Opposed? Nay.

5843
04:03:53,359 --> 04:03:55,760
>> Motion carries. Motion to adjurnn.

5844
04:03:55,760 --> 04:03:56,800
>> Make a motion.

5845
04:03:56,800 --> 04:03:58,319
>> Second.

5846
04:03:58,319 --> 04:03:59,840
>> Great. Got a second from Sharon. All in

5847
04:03:59,840 --> 04:04:00,800
favor say I.

5848
04:04:00,800 --> 04:04:01,199
>> I.

5849
04:04:01,199 --> 04:04:02,800
>> Thanks very much. Good evening everyone.

5850
04:04:02,800 --> 04:04:06,600
Want to see all your work.