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Good evening. Today is April the 18th,
2020. I'm sorry, August. Yeah, August

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the 18th, 2026.
Um, it is 7 o'clock. We're going to go

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ahead and call this meeting to order
tonight.

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I'm going to ask um if Commissioner uh
Cooper would lead us in our prayer and

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Commissioner Long would lead us in our
pledge of allegiance to the flag.

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Let's bow head. Heavenly Father, we
thank you for the opportunity to gather

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here today in service to our community.
Grant us wisdom in our in our

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discussion, clarity in our decision, and
compassion in our heart. May we lead

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with integrity, work with unity, and
always seek the greater good for those

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we represent. Bless each and everyone
present, and may our effort today

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reflect the fairness, justice, and
respect of all.

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» Amen.
>> Amen.

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To the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for it

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stands one nation under God indivisible
with liberty and justice for all.

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» Thank you guys for that.
Guys, I seek a motion that we adopt

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agenda. Please move.
>> There's been motion by Commissioner

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Mason and second by Commissioner
Edwards. Any discussion?

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Um, Commissioner Henderson.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh what what I
would like to ask the um county attorney

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in lie of of you know and I'm I'm not a
person like keep up stuff but in lie of

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what we have read in the papers
should our chairman chairman Bane chair

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this meeting

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» um my understanding is that the county
is proceeding

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um
with the understanding that chairman

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Baines has been re reinstated and so um
I'm not going to give a public legal

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opinion on that but I that's my
understanding of how the county has been

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choosing to proceed.
>> Yes. And I just want to be sure that uh

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for uh the uh citizen of New County that
uh we are following legal advice

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of uh I guess J Roy and Davis.
Thank you. Any more discussion? All in

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favor?
It passes 5.

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Next is public comments. We allow our
citizens to make comments about agenda

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topics. Agenda agenda topics only. You
have three minutes to do so. You may

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come at this time. Please state your
name, your address for the record,

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please. Agenda topics only.
Agenda topics only.

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» Thank you. Um, there's nothing to report
today in the chairman's report. Um, Mr.

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Brown, there's nothing in your report.
Do you?

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» Good evening, Mr. Chair, board of
commissioners. I do not have anything to

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report.
>> Thank you, sir. Next is um the consent

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agenda. I seek a motion that we approve
the consent agenda, please.

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» It's been motioned by Commissioner um
Edwards and second by Commissioner

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Cooper. Any discussion?
All in favor?

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It passes. 5.

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Next is um new business consideration of
Cornish Creek Water Treatment Plant

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Upgrade. Mr. Brown.
>> Good evening again. This is the uh third

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agreement for the com upgrade to the
Cornish Creek Water Treatment Facility

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of 159,31,45.20.

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As you may remember, the board already
approved package number one, package

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number two. Package number three is a
combination of package one, two, and

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three for the total of the amount I just
read. um uh to seeking for approval from

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the board.
>> I seek a motion, please.

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» Is there a second?
>> It's been motioned by um Commissioner

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Edwards and second by Commissioner
Cooper. Um any discussion?

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All in favor?
It passes. 50.

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Next is item number nine, consideration
of environmental resource u analysis.

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Mr. Cooper,

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» I mean Mr. Mr. Brown.
>> Yeah, sorry. So, this is an annual

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contract uh for testing that the um the
Cornish Creek treatment plant does do

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from outside third party testing to make
sure that all of the contaminants are

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appropriately tested for and pass all uh
all EPD and EPA regulations.

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» Thank you, sir. I seek a motion, please.
>> Is there a second?

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» It's been motioned by Commissioner
Edwards and second by Commissioner Long.

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Any discussion?
All in favor?

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It passes. 5.

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Um,
want to go down? Go down.

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I'm going to ask that we go into a brief
recess for a few moments and um and

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we'll come back. Can I get a motion,
please?

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» So move.
>> Is there a second? It's been motioned by

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Commissioner uh Mason and second by
Commissioner uh Cooper that we go into a

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brief recess. Any discussion?

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» I'm sorry.
>> The purpose is we can't start zoning

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till 7:30. Uh good. Okay. Any more
discussion? All in favor? We standing in

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Guys, I seek a motion that we move back
into our regular meeting. Please,

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is there a second?
>> It's been a motion by Commissioner

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Edwards and second by Commissioner Long
that we move back into our regular

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scheduled meeting. Uh, any discussion?
All in favor?

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Thank you. Passes 5. Going to ask Mr.
Apple White, if you would please come on

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up. It's actually 7:30 now. We're going
to move directly into our zoning.

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Miss Apple White. Thank you, chairman.
Good evening, chairman, members of the

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board of commissioners.

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Our first petitions is actually old
business.

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It is our EZ26-0000004.

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It is for a retail space located at
highway 81. Tax ID 0016030.

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And I should mention that this was
tabled um back in June for 60 days to be

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heard again tonight. Parcel site is 3.63
acres. Flume is commercial. The existing

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zoning is R2 single family residential.
The proposed zoning is general

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commercial. It is in the emerging
suburban character area which the flume

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would support. Watershed is South River.
This is district two, commissioner

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district two. The owner is Steve Astrin
and our petitioner is Haley Todd from

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PC. And applicants intent is to reszone
to general commercial in order to

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develop a multi-tenant retail building.
And just briefly go over the history

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because we just uh we presented this at
the last meeting, but on May 8th, there

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was a community meeting that uh was
actually rescheduled to 5:29.

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The planning commission
held the meeting on 5:26 and they tabled

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the petition and it was then held again
at a special called meeting on 6:15.

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On 529 2026 the community meeting was
held for this proposal and the applicant

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proposed the following. The proposal
they they gave the or they showed the

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proposal or the site plan. Um they spoke
about how long the project will bring

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local community how it would bring local
community uses. There was a possibility

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of a single tenant. Um the county
regulations required 72 parking spaces

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which they've met. There's ADA screening
and sidewalk requirements which will be

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met. Storm water pond will mitigate
flooding in the adjacent neighborhood.

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Storm water regulations have improved
over the years. G dot advised that an

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entrance or an exit wouldn't be located
on Highway 81. will be on Cowan Road

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instead which will also have a
deceleration lane and the distance in

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the building and the impervious
surface to nearby property length. They

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also addressed that to make sure it was
appropriate.

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Transitional buffer will only encroach
on the driveway but it would be

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appropriate for separation from the
residents next to it. The trip report

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concluded that the proposed development
will bring less than 100 vehicles onto

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Cowan Road daily and proposal
this this particular proposal doesn't

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meet the threshold criteria for us to
for staff to require a traffic study but

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the board does have that discretion. No
proposed end use for the building at

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this time.
So at the same community meeting the

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citizens also expressed their concerns.
So there were concerns about the types

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of uses, example, gas station or
restaurant that could potentially be

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developed at a later time. There was a
possibility of putting conditions in

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place to prevent certain uses. If any of
the land is left vacant, there was

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concern that that could also be
developed at a later time. The potential

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relation to the previous cell tower
project that was also proposed on that

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parcel. There are also concerns of
traffic and congestion that the cow road

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currently experiences and the dangerous
curve it has. There's a small distance

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from the entrance on Cowan Ridge Road or
the Cow Ridge subdivision to the

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developer proposed entrance on Cowan
Road. There are also concerns of

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drainage flooding issues that currently
affect the adjacent residential

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properties such as the Livingston
Elementary School underground pipe for

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their retention pond. There's potential
drainage issues that the proposal could

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cause um as well. Uh and these are again
some of the concerns that nearby

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residents expressed. Uh they also
expressed a possible need for a

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hydraology test and traffic study and
they needed to know that um who the

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potential developer would be. On 6:15
the planning commission recommended

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denial of the petition by a vote of 50.
Citizens also spoke in opposition at the

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planning commission meeting and they
reiterated some of the same concerns

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above.
Additional concerns also included safety

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and the facade of the building that
faces Highway 81. On 616, the board of

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commissioners tabled this petition for
60 days and this is where we are today.

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So these are just pictures from the
community meeting. [clears throat]

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Just a brief site plan analysis. So it's
3.36 acres um surrounding there includes

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a single family subdivisions, the Linton
Elementary School, Linton Academy,

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childc care learning center. The side
plan shows a 10,800 foot commercial

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building. Along the southeastern portion
of the property, there are 72 proposed

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parking spaces. The septic area is to
the west of the parking lot and the

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storm water facility will be to the west
of the building. The septic area, we do

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have concerns of its location and
proximity to the pvious um the

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impervious surfaces such as the parking
lot and any impact that it could have on

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the septic drain field.
one existing [clears throat] curb cut on

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Highway 81, but um that's not going to
be used. G do DOT has already decided

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that they'll have to use a Cowin road as
their ingress and egress.

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So the preliminary approval per the
county's transportation department was

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there as long as it lines up with the
adjacent street entrance at Cowen Ridge

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Road and incorporates a deceleration
lanes. Those were the conditions that

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transportation had.
There's a 75 foot transitional buffer

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along the back side of the property.
The only thing in the within the buffer

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is the entrance um into Cowan Road, but
there is going to be an opaque fence

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which will also be part of the buffer to
shield the residences in the adjacent

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subdivision.
The front of the building is proposed to

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face inward. However, we have
communicated with this developer that

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the building actually needs to be
oriented towards the road which would be

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consistent with all the other commercial
developments that are within proximity

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of this proposed development.
The side pan me exceeds um the minimum

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building setbacks as per development
regulations in the UDO and any signage

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must also meet the requirements of
division 525.

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And um of course this is the parcel
we're looking at here and this is the

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proposed layout which would probably
need to be revised at some point. So

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storm water facility, the septic area is
on this side here. We've got the parking

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and then the building over here, the
transitional buffer and of course the

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fence and we have our subdivisions on
this side here and across the road.

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So they have uh submitted proposed
elevations.

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It would be primarily of brick and these
are some of the uses that they're

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proposing that will go there and I do
have these uses included in your packet

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for review.

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So in conclusion, the applicant is
proposing to reszone to general

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commercial for a neighborhood retail
store with multiple tenants. The

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proposed use is along a state highway
which will serve travelers and residents

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surrounding in the surrounding area. The
resort will also be consistent with

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policies of the comp plan since the
flume is already commercial and supports

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the general commercial district.
However, there are some challenges that

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still need to be worked out on the lot
such as the septic location, building

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orientation and improvements to cow road
such as a del lane as well as improved

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traffic flow. It is also important to
note that many citizens expressed

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concerns about the project during a
community meeting on 529 2026, mainly in

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relation to the potential uses that
could go on the property. They also had

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concerns about the drainage or flooding
issues and traffic congestion that Cowan

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Road currently experiences.
Staff also received several opposition

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letters and one petition from the
adjacent Cowan Road subdivision, Coen

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Ridge. Um, and the concerns stated
included potential crime. There also

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concerns about finding another property
that is already zoned commercial for the

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proposed use. The concerns about the
traffic, noise, trash, litter, lighting,

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loitering, and extended hours of
operation. There were concerns about

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keeping the character of the residential
areas. There were school safety concerns

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and adverse neighborhood impacts.
Um, the so the applicant is seeking this

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reszoning. This is not a byite use which
is why they're seeking to reszone it to

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the appropriate zoning category. So
should the petition be approved by the

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board of commissioners, it should be
approved general commercial conditional

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and subject to the owner's agreement to
the following enumerated conditions.

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Where these conditions conflict with the
stipulations and offerings contained in

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the letter of intent, these conditions
shall supersede unless specifically

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stipulated by the board of
commissioners. So one to the owners

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agreement is the following. A all plans
and plat submitted must meet the

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requirements of the ordinance or
regulations and be approved by the

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department of development services,
public works, Newton County Fire

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Services, Environmental Health, the
water authority, Georgia soil and water

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conservation and the G dot as
applicable. B. Prior to any new uses,

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all permits shall be obtained as
applicable.

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C. You must obtain and maintain a
business license as needed. D. No

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outside storage allowed on the property.
No merchandise allowed to be displayed

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outside of the building. E. The entrance
and exit on Cowan Road is allowed to be

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within the transitional buffer as long
as an 8-ft opaque fence is installed

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along the west property boundary line.
F. The building shall be oriented to

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face highway 81 and have appropriate
fenistration.

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G. There shall be landscaping strips
along Highway 81 and Cowan Road. And H.

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The following uses shall not be allowed.
tattoo parlor, vape shop, pawn shop, gas

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station or convenience store with pumps.
This is a survey that was submitted

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by the applicant.
Uh we have these are street view

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pictures from Highway 81 and Cowan Road.
Our zoning is R2.

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The flume is commercial. There's a
future land use map.

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Watershed is South River.
This is in commissioner district 2

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cart areas as we said emerging suburban
and that is the end of staff's

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presentation and chairman applicant does
have a presentation of his own

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there any questions for staff at this
moment

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» thank you uh um missawite so I'm told
there's already been a public hearing on

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this is that correct
>> yes it would have been held on back in

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June
>> okay so I'm going to turn it over to um

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Commissioner Mason. What shall we hear?

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» Well, if y'all said they already did.
Yeah. So,

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» well, thank you, Mr. Chair. Um,
from my understanding, this particular

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site is still uh in litigation.
So, really, I cannot make a decision at

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this particular time. So, I'm going to
move that we table uh rec26-0000004

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uh for 30 days.
>> Could we do 60 to allow for to

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readvertise?
>> Yes, we can.

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» Thank you.
>> Is there a second?

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» It's been it's been motioned by
Commissioner Mason that we table this

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for 60 days and second by Commissioner
Edwards. Any discussion?

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All in favor?
Thank you. Stand table for 60 days. 50.

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Mr. Apple White.
>> Thank you, chairman.

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[clears throat]
>> Our next item under old business. It's

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resolution R061626D
for um consideration. It was tabled on

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June 16th and then tabled on July 21st.
It is a resolution of the Newton County

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Board of Commissioners terminating an
existing moratorum on the acceptance of

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applications, requests or submissions
that propose the development of

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convenience stores. Um we are still
working on this and as well as the UDO

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staff would propose to actually go ahead
and extend this to um term to the same

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time as the UDO will which would be like
November 4th.

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Thank you. Um, and so it's my
understanding again, we already had a

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public hearing. So, commissioners, I
seek a motion, please.

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» Is there a second?
>> Is there a second?

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» It's been motioned by Commissioner Long
and second by Commissioner um Cooper. Is

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there any discussion?
All in favor?

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Thank you.
Stand table.

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Extend extended. I'm sorry,
Miss Apple White.

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» Thank you, chairman.

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» So, our next item today is under new
business. This is an appeal case. Um,

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it's an appeal case for the Sherrod Farm
subdivision.

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The case number is A26-00003.

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The name of the appeal applicant is Mr.
Philip Johnson. He's the attorney

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representing the client. The original
case number is the PP26-000000003

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which was the preliminary plat and the
original applicant was also Mr. Philip

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Johnson. Property owner is Dina Pace
Holdings. The address of the property

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is off of Dina Pace Road and Brownbridge
Road. The tax ID parcels are 43-4A,

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43-35,
43-35B,

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and 43-4D.
proposed use is a single family

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residential subdivision.
The existing zonings are R2 single

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family R2 which is single family
residential district as well and they're

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also applying the open space
conservation overlay. Watershed is

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yellow river character areas are the
live work corridors established suburban

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core and conservation and recreation
area density is 776 units per acre and

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parcel is 399.3
acres. They're proposing 310 lots and

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the proposed lot size is approximately
17,500 square feet. This is located in

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commission district 4.
So the request is the appeal to the

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planning commission's decision to deny
the preliminary plat for the Sherrod

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Farms residential subdivision. The
original request was the applicant was

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presenting for approval the plinary plat
for the Shroud Farm subdivision located

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along Dina Pace Road and Brownbridge
Road and of course 399.3 acres and 310

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single family lots and a brief history
on the June 23rd planning commission

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denied this plat
um this subdivision the preliminary plat

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as mentioned the character areas live
work corided established suburban C and

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of course a conservation recreation
area.

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Just a brief background, the single
family development um that they're

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proposing is located south of the access
road. There are separate two separate

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entrances off of Dina Pace Road to the
east as well as an entrance located off

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of Brownbridge Road to the southeast. So
the project consists of four parcels,

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zone R2. um they all fall within those
three character areas we mentioned

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previously.
When this first came in um there was a

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development of regional impact. It
initially came in as an annexation with

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um from the city of Porterdale that was
um dismissed by the city dismissed that

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or they dropped it. They didn't move
forward with it but the regional the

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development of regional impact study had
already been conducted. So just want to

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give you a little bit of background on
that. Um

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at the time it was for 649 single family
units and the feedback from the DRRI is

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that the live work corridor area um the
vision for that character area

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it emphasizes morely more so mixeduse
development for employment opportunities

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and multif family housing. The project
however is just single family use. So

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they didn't think that the proposal was
consistent with that particular

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character area. However, residential
uses in single family residential zones

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are listed in the comp plan is
appropriate for it and there are several

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commercial facilities near the site
along the access road which borders I20

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and intersects with Dina Pace Road. So
in their consideration

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and of course in the context of the
nearby parcels the proposal would

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somewhat contribute to mixeduse
intention by creating homes near

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existing employment and retail
opportunities. The requirement for

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sidewalks due to the availability of
sewer infrastructure indicates a

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walkable development which is attributed
to the character area.

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A traffic study was also conducted in
2023.

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Uh they met the threshold for that due
to the number of new single family

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proposed homes. Even at 310 they will
still meet the threshold for a traffic

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study. Um back then it showed that the
generated trip or the estimates

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which at the time was for the 649 homes,
but they showed a total of 5,639

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total two-way trips over a 24-h hour
period. An updated traffic study hasn't

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been submitted at this time to reflect
the new units as well as to reflect the

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other subdivisions within proximity that
have come online since then. And these

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are the orders on Brownidge Road as well
as on Cowan Road, which they'll all

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share at Cowan Road Archery to get on to
I20. and we'll go into that a little

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later. So this just shows the trip
generation um as provided.

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So the preliminary plan analysis um the
planning commission was a role to review

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for compliance with our UDO section
1415-030

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as well as division 430 for the open
space. The Sherrod Farms submission

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consists of 310 single family
residential lots on 399 acres on water

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and sewer. Minimum lot size um an open
space conservation overlay brought it

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down to 17,500 ft which is about4 acres
and the average lot size they're

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proposing is 20,000 square feet which is
about 46 acres. So more than a quarter

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of the lots are larger in size than the
average lot size. The smallest one is

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17,572
square ft and the largest is 47,720

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ft. So development as has three
entrances, two on Dina Pace, one on

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Brownbridge Road in the deceleration
lane. Um there is concern for traffic

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congestion at Brownbridge Road entrance
since it is located within a quarter

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mile of two multif family residential
developments to the east um namely

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Benton Woods with 162 town homes,
Leafstone Apartments with 232 units.

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They're also in close proximity about a
mile to the other highdensity

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developments on Crowell Road um which is
will also exit onto Interstate 20. So

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these would include Harold Dobs or the
Dobs Landing 253 units, the town of the

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Yellow River 96 units, Point Grand 216
units, and of course the existing Silver

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Ridge at 211 units and Oakwood Manor at
322 units. So the proposed project

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offers multiple parks, male kiosks with
parking, mulch to walking trail along

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the river, um an existing pond,
sidewalks, storm water detention ponds,

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utilities and landscape areas. So other
concerns as noted in the DRI include

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potential impact of the density of the
Yellow River on the Yellow River as well

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as the sensitive flood plane and wetland
areas. So even though the developer

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reduced the number of homes from 649 to
310 units, the proposed subdivision is

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still in close proximity to the
repairarian buffers that protect the

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Yellow River Wershed.
Comments from staff. So the following

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county departments and external agencies
have reviewed and approved the

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preliminary plant ex um for the plinary
plan for Sherrod Farms. So Newton County

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Fire Department, they've reviewed for
the fire code and recommended approval.

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our transportation department reviewed
but they had um conditions as well. So

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additional improvements are required on
Dinapace road and they also had to

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coordinate with G dot for any additional
comments on the Dinapace road and the

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access road because access road is a G
dot corridor. Lithuan County Development

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Services was reviewed for compliance
with the UDO recommend for approvals.

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Also, our storm water management
division has also reviewed and approved.

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GIS have reviewed and approved as well
as the Newton County Water Authority.

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They've reviewed and recommended
approval and they're providing both

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water and sewer.

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So, comments from the planning
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Several residents and attendees spoke in
opposition at the planning commission

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meeting. Those in opposition said that
they were concerned with the high

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residential density. the impact on
traffic congestion and that these homes

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may end up as rentals rather than owner
occupied. One member of the planning

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commission asked whether the developer
would be willing to name a street after

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Dinapace who originally resided in a
small cabin and I think she took like

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orphan children um as part of her life's
work. Members of the planning commission

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expressed concern for traffic congestion
and single family homes that may become

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rentals run and owner occupied and the
planning commission subsequently denied

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the preliminary plat.
So in conclusion, initially the project

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as stated was to be annexed into
Portoale. Um DRRI was completed

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um and they provided their results for
that. The project is also in close

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proximity to the Yellow River and other
sensitive environmental wetlands and

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flood plane areas which could negatively
impact be impacted due to the density

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that they're proposing. Further, it is
anticipated that a significant amount of

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traffic contributing to congestion will
be added to the existing Brownbridge

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Road and Crowell roads as the main Thor
affairs to Interstate 20. Recent and

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existing developments in close proximity
to those proposed developments that also

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utilize Crowell Road and Brownbridge
roads would include adopts landing point

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Grand River, Silver Ridge, Benton Woods,
Leafstone and Oakwood Manor which give

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approximately a total of 14 92 units. So
the current traffic study was completed

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in 2023
when they were um when the proposed uses

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were higher and those other subdivisions
hadn't come online. Um we don't have any

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updated traffic impact study since then
for um what they're proposing currently.

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So in addition there will be an
anticipated impact on the existing

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facilities and services particularly
with the other highdensity developments

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that have since been approved in the
vicinity. So should the board of

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commissioners approve this preliminary
plan, it should be with the following

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recommendations and it will be
conceptual only. It must meet or exceed

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all conditions of the unified
development ordinance prior to the

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issuance of a land disturbance permit.
So recommended conditions. So the

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proposed preliminary plant has been
reviewed by development services. It

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meets the minimum requirements for
sections 1415- 030 and section 430 of

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the UDU. Staff is of the opinion that
should the board of commissioners

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approve the plunary plant, it should be
subject to the following conditions. So,

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prior to obtaining a land disturbance
permit, all comments from the Newton

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County Fire Department, development
services department, and transportation

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department shall be addressed. Prior to
obtaining a land disturbance permit,

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comments from external agencies such as
the water authority, um, G dot and water

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conservation commission shall be
addressed as applicable. They need to

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provide an amended traffic study to
reflect new traffic patterns and

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densities of the subdivision and
neighboring subdivisions. Provide a

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wetland delineation study as part of the
land disturbance permit.

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This is an aerial view of the parcels.
So, it's all the parcels with um with

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the stars. Some of the parcels up here
and then this large one here and then

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these two at the bottom.
Zoning is R2. Everything in yellow.

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These are the Carter area maps. So,
conservation recreation follows the

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yellow river.
We have the live work

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in the green.

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This is our flood plane map. So again,
these are the parcels in place. So flood

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plane is significant on the parcels that
they're working with. So the areas that

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they're building on would just be the
areas that are not in the flood plane

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would be the brown area.
This is our wetlands map. There's no

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disturbance or building permitted in the
wetland areas.

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This is the proposed preliminary plat.
Um 310 units. So it extends all the way

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up to the access road. We have our ex um
ingress and egress points. We have two

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up here and then we have the third one
out on Brownbridge Road. Of course, the

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yellow rivers on this side here. Green
areas are the flood planes, flood plane

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and wetlands.

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Um, that's it for staff. Are there any
questions? If not, chairman, this is a

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public hearing and the applicant has his
presentation.

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» Thank you. So, it's my understanding
that you guys have already had a public

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hearing.
>> You haven't. You haven't. Okay. Thank

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you.
>> Public hearing.

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» Okay. It is 8. It is 7:57. So, at this
time, we're going to open it up for our

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public hearing tonight. the applicant
and those that like to speak in favor

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tonight. If you come at this time, you
have 10 minutes to do so. The applicant

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and those that would like to speak in
favor tonight.

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Before we start, um I know sometimes
it's hard to see the screens. We have

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some hard copies of the presentation. If
you guys would be okay receiving those.

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There's more. more just in case.

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» Awesome. Thank you so much, Kenneth
Wood, 350 Research Court. Thank you guys

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for letting us speak tonight.
commissioners. Um, I want to talk about

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the project, its location, and why after
all the changes that it's been through,

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it's the it's the right project for the
site and how we've kind of gotten to

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that point. Um, is there a clicker? Can
we Oh, I'm sorry. The side right here.

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So, this is the map of it. Obviously,
we're along the Yellow River that you

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can see there. We chose conservation.
I'll walk you guys exactly through why

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we chose the conservation on the R2 to
protect the lands, be able to have more

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common area for the development for all
the residents that would live in there.

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Um, and I'll kind of walk you through
the different type of zonings and what

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we're seeing in the surrounding area.
This is the map. You can kind of see the

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different surrounding areas, different
subdivisions. We've kind of analyzed

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those and looked at how we kind of
comport to those. This is our site plan.

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It's a little bit deceiving when you're
talking about a development that's

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almost 400 acres. It can be hard to see
on a scale, but the lots are almost half

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00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:58,480
an acre and they go up over an over an
acre. Um, and so we have a big swath of

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different sizes that we have in this.
Um, when you're looking at the different

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plans, we tried to sit up on the
hillside. We still have a lot of area

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that is parks, recreational areas, uh,
basically areas going to be for parks.

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And you can see just how far pulled away
from the Yellow River it is. uh the way

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the topography works and the way we were
able to set it up and then have some

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different pocket parks throughout the
entire uh subdivision. Originally, this

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this started at the 6, you know, 43 that
we're originally at. That got pulled

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back. We started looking at the land. We
actually thought we had a plan. There

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was some bonus density. Um the staff did
a great job. They showed us in the code

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where that that was not applicable. And
so that's where we dropped down to the

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310. So the second plan that we had was
390 lots. Um and then after that uh

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conversations with staff we resubmitted
and that's the plan in front of you. Um

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that you see there at 310 and that
density is 74 and I'm going to kind of

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walk you guys through a couple of things
with that. So on the traffic study, we

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we have updated a traffic study, but
we're even we're basically going to

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comply with all of the study that said
what we need to comply with, even with

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the larger number. And so turn lanes on
access road to get in, uh the turn lanes

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and additions we need to do to dine a
pace, also on Brown Bridge, uh left turn

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lanes, del lanes, basically the full uh
turning movements that we're going to be

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required to do. So we know we're going
to have to do that. So, we're prepared

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to be required to do all of those when
you look at it on here. One of the

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things I want to show because like I
said, it's a little deceiving. I want to

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misspel dispel any any confusion on
this. So, the density is 78 and I just

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kind of highlighted all of the densities
kind of, you know, throughout the county

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as well in some of the cities. Uh
there's a 1.4 just to our east of us and

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then a 2.1. Everything else is much
higher. And so we did an analysis and

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looked at even if we took out took out
all of the flood plane on the site,

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including all of the wetlands, all the
flood plane, and that's what is

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highlighted on here. And you can still
see a lot of the the additional extra

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green space the plan has. Um we're still
just at 1.4. And so we're still as low

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as the lowest density of any subdivision
around us. And that's why I was saying I

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just wanted to be able to kind of call
that out because it's sometimes tough to

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see the 399 and think 310 seems like a a
big number when you actually look at it

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in this large of a track. It's not. Um
this is also what's around us. Um we're

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either larger or directly equal to the
largest lots around us. And everything

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I've heard in terms of you know what the
county is looking for from uh talking

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with different people. single family
detached, a big backyard, almost half an

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acre going up to an acre. Um, we're
planning on hitting 400 to 500 sale

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prices in here and I've got some
pictures to show that. Uh, these are

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some areas basically right here to
basically look at this is distances from

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the wetlands uh that we have. We have
been able to go locate the wetlands and

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you can see some of places were 400
feet, some of them were over, you know,

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145 feet. the closest place on that one
little ridge, we're still upwards of

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01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:13,280
almost 100 feet. So, we're staying way
away from the environmentally sensitive

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areas and we're adding a lot of storm
water features to make sure we can take

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care of the trees and the storm water
and that that's the reason we're trying

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to do the conservation is we're trying
to protect the trees, have a lot of open

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space that's common to the development.
Um, we created another exhibit just to

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be able to show just how large the lots
are. And this is our minimum lot. And

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so, the lots are over 200 feet deep. And
you can see the backyards are almost 160

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ft deep. So the minimum width is 75. And
so that supports a really large house.

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All the houses will be at, you know, 15
to 20 feet apart. And so this is, you

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know, this is a larger lot, single
family detach, very, you know, high-end

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subdivision that we're trying to provide
and what we're looking to do uh for the

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way it sets up. So just wanted to have a
couple images. We're going to have a

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master amenity with a large clubhouse, a
pool, um big playground areas, uh bark

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parks, dog parks, and outside gathering
areas, um pavilions, walking trails. It

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the the development sets up so well. You
have different places you can access the

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traffic and distribution, but we also
have so much open space that we can

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really take advantage of that and make
it a special subdivision. Access to the

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river is huge. Um, you know, being able
to have something that where you can get

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down to the river kind of through some
of the lower areas is something that not

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a lot of subdivisions have, and this
could be a subdivision that can have

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that available uh to it. Uh, these are
some pictures of the homes. Uh, it's a

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mixture of one-story homes as well as uh
twostory homes, but as you can see, you

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know, we're targeting the larger homes.
That's what we're looking at doing for

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the single family detached. Um, and
having a mixture of different type of

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styles, substantial materials, uh, that
we'd be looking at through the

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development. And we just did some
additional analysis with some of the

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surrounding subdivisions that we have
and and what we're what we're looking at

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and and going toward. I wanted to touch
on a couple of things. So, we did had

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some comments at the at the preliminary
plat hearing. There's some confusion.

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originally a motion to defer and we
requested um a decision because we

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didn't think there could be a deferral.
So, there's some confusion there. But

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some of the comments that came out were
about Dina Pace and an orphanage that

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was on the property. We actually found
some deeds and a lot of items to

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01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:31,119
support. It's just just to the east of
the property, not on this property, but

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we we said that we would do something uh
to um make acknowledgement and to

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01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:39,680
respect all of the history in the area.
So, we're proposing to dedicate

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somewhere around a quarter to a half an
acre right at the main entrance. Um,

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that would be basically a green space.
We would build the trails that you see,

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01:04:45,839 --> 01:04:52,960
the sitting areas, create plaques. Um,
and this be dedicated and whether that's

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dedicated to the county or dedicated to
um a a um you know, a conservation item

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01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:02,559
that, you know, can can overlook the
park or whether our HOA uh takes care of

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01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:06,480
the park. But we we wanted to be able to
do that in response to what we had

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heard. And we so we did a lot of diving
deep into this um into response for that

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01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:14,480
and then making sure that we responded
to the traffic and that we are going to

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01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:18,400
put in we are find conditioning we are
going to put in the turn lanes and the

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01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:22,319
del lanes all of them that are necessary
to facilitate the traffic and make sure

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there's smooth flow uh throughout the
development uh that we have here. And uh

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I'd love to keep any remaining time just
in case there's questions um from

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01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:36,319
citizens that come up that I can um
explain afterwards.

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01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:39,599
» Thank you sir. Thank you so much.
>> Anyone else would like to speak in favor

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01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:43,760
tonight?
Anyone else would like to speak in favor

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01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:47,359
tonight?
>> Thank you. We also allow u 10 minutes

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01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:50,559
for those that would like to oppose
tonight. If you'd like to oppose

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01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:54,559
tonight, please come up and state your
name and address, please, for the

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01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:58,359
record. You may come at this time. Have
10 minutes to do so.

539
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:04,799
Good evening.
>> Good evening. Um, chairman,

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01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:09,359
commissioners, county staff, members of
Newton County community, my name is Hale

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01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:14,720
Lima Muhamd and I'm a concerned citizen
um, local elected official and advocate

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01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:19,280
for um, the preservation of the legacy
of Donna Watts Pace. I'm here tonight

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01:06:17,359 --> 01:06:24,720
because I believe a responsible
development requirements requires us to

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01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:30,799
understand what we may be disturbing
before it is disturbed. Donna Watts Pace

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01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:35,440
dedicated her life um to caring for and
educating children in Newton County. Her

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01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:41,760
work and the history surrounding it
deserves more than assumptions about

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01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:46,960
what may or may not remain. Um prior to
um the developers coming up, there was a

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01:06:44,319 --> 01:06:53,760
comment made that it was a small cabinet
cabinet um that housed 700 um children.

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01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:59,280
That is an assumption that it was small.
I asked the B board, has the county

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01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:05,440
conducted an adequate historical review
of the property? Has the area been

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01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:11,839
evaluated for unidentified burial sites
or rem human remains? Have historic

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01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:17,200
maps, deeds, serial photographs, land
records, and other archival material

553
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:22,240
been thoroughly reviewed? Have a
qualified archaeologist or historic

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01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:27,359
preservation professional evaluated the
relevant portions of the property? Can

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01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:33,280
the county confidently say that the
historic cleaf significant resources

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01:07:30,319 --> 01:07:37,520
will not be destroyed? If we cannot
confidently answer those questions

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01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:44,079
tonight, then we may not be ready to
vote yes tonight. I am asking the board

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01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:48,079
not to vote yes tonight. take the time
necessary to do the research, consult

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01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:53,200
the appropriate professionals, and
determine what is actually there before

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01:07:50,319 --> 01:07:58,000
allowing irreversible disturbance of the
land. This is not an argument that

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01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:02,400
development can never happen. I am team
development all day. Um, it is an

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01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:07,359
argument that responsible government
should know what it is authorizing

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01:08:04,799 --> 01:08:12,079
before the ground is disturbed. If the
research is done and nothing is found,

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01:08:09,359 --> 01:08:17,279
then at least we will know we acted
responsibly. But if we approve this

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01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:22,319
first and discover later that something
important was destroyed, there is no

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01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:28,239
vote we can take afterwards to put it
back. We can always come back and vote.

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01:08:25,679 --> 01:08:33,440
We cannot unearthed history twice. Her
legacy deserve to be preserved. Please

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01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:38,080
do the research before you vote yes. And
I'm asking everyone who believe um that

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01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:41,679
history deserves to be protected to
visit the donapaceleacy.org.

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01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:46,279
Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,279
» Anyone else?

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01:08:51,839 --> 01:08:59,920
» Good evening ladies and gentlemen. My
name is Summer Aul. This is my daughter

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01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:05,199
Autumn Aul. We stay off Karen Ridge. And
um first of all I would like to say that

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01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:08,960
that was a great presentation that the
gentleman came up here and gave every

575
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:12,480
point that a real estate development
would want to come and give. However,

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01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:17,920
the one thing missing from his
presentation was it represented humans.

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01:09:15,679 --> 01:09:24,159
He talked about even the trees. He was
going to put a a half of acre of land

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01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:30,480
and dedication uh to Mrs. Pace out of
400 acres. How generous. But just as he

579
01:09:28,799 --> 01:09:35,040
showed when he came up here and gave you
all these papers to look at so you can

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01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:38,960
see it closely. The residents the
residents we live around here we would

581
01:09:36,799 --> 01:09:43,359
like to see it closely. We are never
considered when we come to these types

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01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:48,719
of things. You want to bring 400 houses
into a area that's already congested.

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01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:53,279
Right at the corner of our street there
was someone who just recently died as

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01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:56,880
I'm sure you all know. He may know but
he will not say that. I am here to say

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01:09:55,280 --> 01:10:00,480
that. But I'm here to speak for all the
people that live around here who we

586
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:04,080
bought our homes. We bought our homes to
raise our children here. We did not

587
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:08,719
bring our homes to have all of this
congestion. All of these businesses

588
01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:14,880
built in residential areas. All of these
homes built for profit. All of these

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01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:20,960
homes without the even the consideration
of bringing rental properties into

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01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:26,960
homeowners areas. We saved our money to
buy homes to raise our children to live

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01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:31,760
in nature. We we came to Coington for
the trees that are being torn down for

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01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:37,120
all these houses. With that being said,
for anyone here on the panel or in the

593
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:40,800
audience who are who are parents or have
el elderly people in their family, I

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01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:48,000
would like for you to hear what my
daughter has to say.

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01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:53,920
» Okay. Um, when he said uh to help the
trees out or something like that, I feel

596
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:57,920
like you would tear down the trees in
order to put the building right there

597
01:10:55,920 --> 01:11:02,880
because isn't that necessary to put it
where a forest is, but it's kind of

598
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:09,000
unnecessary.
I don't know what else to say.

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01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:09,000
» It's okay. What her point is

600
01:11:09,339 --> 01:11:12,920
[applause]
Her

601
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:19,440
point is is that as I stated, we came
here to live in nature. We moved to

602
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:23,280
Coington out of anywhere in the United
States because this is a rural area.

603
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:26,239
This is an area that we want to raise
our children in, live in nature. And

604
01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:30,239
when you tear down all those trees for
these type of properties that are for

605
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:34,159
financial gain, where do those animals
go? No one thinks about that. But again,

606
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:37,360
as I said, I'm here for the human rights
and everyone who was neglected in this

607
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:40,800
audience who didn't get to see that up
close piece of paper that was printed

608
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:43,800
out so nicely for the board here. Thank
you.

609
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:50,400
[applause]
>> Anyone else?

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01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:54,800
» Good evening. I'll be very brief. You
said everything in the right way. Uh,

611
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:59,120
nice presentation,
but you didn't consult with the

612
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:04,560
community. You said you consulted with
the county. Nice presentation.

613
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:08,640
Nice presentation there, Miss Apple
White. But nowhere I see where the

614
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:16,480
office of sheriff or law enforcement is
going to be uh involved. G dot G dot is

615
01:12:12,719 --> 01:12:24,000
not going to address the issues on the
roads there on Donna Pace. Um good

616
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:29,360
thinking. you had uh
mentioned that you was going to do 700

617
01:12:26,159 --> 01:12:33,360
houses or so and then you cut it down to
300, but yet it's still if you do that

618
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:37,440
when you turn around and you look at the
math with the houses that we have

619
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:41,440
currently up there, you're going to be
looking at about 700 vehicles trying to

620
01:12:39,679 --> 01:12:44,880
come out of there in the morning time,
trying to get back there in the

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01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:49,760
afternoon. And I know there's other want
to speak, but I submit to you perhaps

622
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:56,160
there's a place for these houses to be
built, but not on Donna Pace. Now,

623
01:12:54,140 --> 01:12:56,160
[applause]

624
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:04,000
we continue we continue to put
everything on the western side of the

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01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:08,080
county.
>> On the western side of the county, we

626
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:13,120
continue to put everything over there,
but the services is not there. So before

627
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:18,560
we move forward, I think we need to look
at where we are with the infrastructure,

628
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:23,199
where we are with with services. And
that's the end of my presentation, but

629
01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:26,946
please listen at the female before
anyone else. [applause]

630
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:39,040
» Good evening everybody. I'm Anderson
Bailey. I live at 1054 Diner Place Road.

631
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:42,560
Also a representative of the school
board.

632
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:47,520
Now we are impacting our schools
already. We're packing out and uh Mr.

633
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:51,920
Edwards used once on the school board.
Now they bringing in more houses. What?

634
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:56,560
That's going to bring more children.
So with more children, it's going to be

635
01:13:53,600 --> 01:14:01,520
more uh issues are impacting the
schools. And not only that, you know,

636
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:06,320
they talk all the nice stuff. They did a
great presentation. They made their soup

637
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:11,679
and they served it. But the thing is the
taste is not good. not for that area.

638
01:14:09,679 --> 01:14:18,080
And right now, everything is being
built, but our schools is tight. They're

639
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:21,840
tight now. Every day we got something
going on. So, what are we going to do?

640
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:26,320
Invite more and more traffic? We're
going to invite more and more headache?

641
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:29,600
You talking about building uh turning
lanes? Where you going to get that

642
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:33,120
property? You going to make everybody
give up something just to build

643
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:39,760
something? Here we go again. We're going
to be back in front of you again. And so

644
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:45,679
everybody think about where you live at.
Just think for sake where you live.

645
01:14:43,199 --> 01:14:50,159
Would you want all this in your area?
Everybody got their own private big

646
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:54,000
yards, big houses, but we want our
little houses. We want our little area.

647
01:14:52,400 --> 01:15:00,239
We've been out there for years. We love
each other. We get along.

648
01:14:57,199 --> 01:15:06,000
So when you invite outsiders to come in,
if G dot then put turning lanes up there

649
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:10,239
on D down Pace Road, look at how hard it
is now to get out.

650
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:13,600
You playing jump rope trying to get in
and get in the traffic and get out. And

651
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:18,320
when something happen on the expressway,
guess what? They on the side road going

652
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:24,000
home or either coming to town and that
just going to be more traffic. They

653
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:28,960
don't live here. They comfortable. They
making money.

654
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:31,840
So they getting paid. So I just ask
y'all to look at it because it's a lot

655
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:36,000
of houses around here in Coverington
right now. They move in, they move out,

656
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:41,840
they abandon.
It's just an in out inout thing. But if

657
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:45,760
y'all just really take consideration and
look at this night, table it, do

658
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:48,400
whatever you got to do. Give us a chance
to be heard. I appreciate that. Thank

659
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:53,012
you.
>> Thank you, sir. Anyone else? [applause]

660
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:06,719
Good evening. My name is Janelle West.
I'll make it short and sweet because I'm

661
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:11,120
a constituent, not any of the board
members. You should deny the um you

662
01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:16,320
should affirm the planning commission's
deni denial of the application because

663
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:21,440
it will put a strain on the school
districts and on the resources allocated

664
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:28,960
for this area where citizens already
complain about response time from uh

665
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:33,360
ambulance police and in regards to
traffic everyone used up all the time.

666
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:40,080
So I've truncated everything right there
but I'm a constituent. I'm not a part of

667
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:43,448
the government. We don't want it.
>> Thank you, ma'am. [cheering]

668
01:16:44,048 --> 01:16:46,068
[applause]

669
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:56,520
» Thank you. It's 3 seconds. 3 seconds.
Anyone else? You got three seconds.

670
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:56,520
Three seconds. Three seconds.

671
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,719
» Three seconds.

672
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:05,840
» Good evening, commissioners. Good
evening.

673
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:09,360
» My name is Gladstone Nicholson.
>> It's been a while since I've been here.

674
01:17:07,679 --> 01:17:13,040
I just want to say this.
>> Do the same standards for the east side

675
01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:14,480
as west side when you start building
along permits.

676
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:17,480
» Thank you, sir.
>> Thanks.

677
01:17:19,418 --> 01:17:21,438
[applause]

678
01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:28,640
» So, I think they wanted to come back.
The applicant wanted to come back up. I

679
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:33,920
think it had two minutes remaining.
How much was it? How much?

680
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:39,199
» Yep. Two minutes and 17 seconds. Sir, we
got two two minutes and 17 seconds.

681
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:44,560
» Sounds is Do I have the clicker still?
So, so I just want to respond, you know,

682
01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:48,320
with like um Am I able to?
So, we had found like we've we've done a

683
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:52,320
lot of research and we're not trying to,
you know, we're not trying to argue at

684
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:56,000
all. Um we had, you know, found a deed
that described it as being to the east

685
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:59,679
of the site, you know, and it says it
very specifically. We can supply that

686
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:03,520
coming in. So, we weren't doing that.
So, we're just trying to, you know, come

687
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:07,120
up with a really a really nice, you
know, design if you're coming down so

688
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:10,320
that everyone in the neighborhood could
could have something for the Dina Pace

689
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:14,159
Legacy. So, we're we're just trying to
come up with an idea that, uh, seemed

690
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:18,239
very fitting. Uh, I have no problem with
meeting with the neighborhood with this

691
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:21,920
being already zoned. Not part of the,
you know, the typical process like a

692
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:25,280
zoning. Um, but, you know, I don't have
a problem with meeting anybody running

693
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:28,880
through the plan. I think it's, you
know, a great plan. We were looking at

694
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:33,280
the conservation because you can, you
know, you can see on the plan where, you

695
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:36,960
know, all the little green areas, those
are all common areas at the edge and

696
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:41,360
then there's so much more common area in
the center of the site. Uh most of the

697
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:45,840
trees are cleared on the areas where
we're building the homes uh that you see

698
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:49,440
there. So, so much of the trees are down
in the kind of the lower areas and some

699
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:53,679
of the fall areas. That's why we chose
the conservation and felt like it was

700
01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:58,320
definitely the most appropriate uh for
this, you know, here. Um, you know,

701
01:18:56,080 --> 01:19:01,840
being R2, being larger lot, single
family,

702
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:06,080
we felt like that, you know, you know,
having nice homes in the area, having

703
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:11,440
single family detached, a big yard, a
really powerful HOA that can take care

704
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:15,679
of the land, take care of the grounds,
that that was that was the direction,

705
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:20,080
you know, it being zoned R2, that that
was what is most appropriate for this.

706
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:25,040
And like I said, we're not trying to,
you know, go against anybody or or or do

707
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:30,159
anything at all. We're happy to um as
part of a permitting process, if

708
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:34,320
approved, we're happy to get with RS
Webb, who's a historian, and let them

709
01:19:32,159 --> 01:19:37,600
come on the site and do the research and
provide the outcome of that. Um, you

710
01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:40,960
know, we're just we're just here to
listen. We're here to, you know, we

711
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:44,880
think this is a great project. It's just
a large piece of land, but it does

712
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:49,360
distribute property in a in a really
great way. Uh G do DOT I know is going

713
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:54,080
to let us provide turn lanes and really
help with the traffic mitigation on both

714
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:57,840
of the entrances and exits and we're
willing to do that in conditions as

715
01:19:55,520 --> 01:20:01,280
well. Thank you.
>> Thank you sir.

716
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:07,360
» Thank you sir. Miss Apple White if you
would please come on back up.

717
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:10,360
Commissioner Henderson. What shall we
hear?

718
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:18,880
» Thank you [clears throat] Miss C. Um,
you know, one of the things that wasn't

719
01:20:16,480 --> 01:20:25,520
mentioned was the fact that we had been
fighting a data center just beyond that

720
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:29,440
piece of property and the county had
nothing to do with it. It was being

721
01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:32,880
annexed by the town of Porterdale. And
everybody said, "Jason, you you just

722
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:37,679
going to make sure they going to put a
data center on?" Nope. It was not going

723
01:20:34,719 --> 01:20:43,120
to be no data center that JC Henderson
approved uh in in that community or any

724
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:46,560
community unless it was something that
way on back in the country that they

725
01:20:44,719 --> 01:20:51,040
wanted.
Then just up the road from that uh on

726
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:55,440
Core Road, there's another big
subdivision in district 4 about 4 or 500

727
01:20:53,840 --> 01:21:01,840
houses, town houses and all that stuff
and with little to no infrastructure.

728
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:06,640
And then in district three, uh
Commissioner Cooper had one just beyond

729
01:21:03,679 --> 01:21:11,040
it. If all those things are approved, it
ain't going to be so many people on the

730
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:14,800
road and running down a pace and and all
the rest of them.

731
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:21,679
We've got to do something for
infrastructure.

732
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:25,920
And then, hey, what about uh protection?
Police are shared protection. Shared

733
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:30,880
protection. Tell me something. With the
budget decreasing

734
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:33,280
and the shared budget decreasing, how
you going to get an officer and all

735
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:41,760
those folks get over there when you need
one? You tell me because I don't know.

736
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:45,360
So it's a whole lot of stuff that going
on at at Dana Place and then they were

737
01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:49,199
talking about when we first started
talking about it. I listened

738
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:54,480
and they said, "Well, we're going to
come in. We're going to fix the come

739
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:59,360
into down Pace the rightand side, but
we're going to leave the other side just

740
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:06,480
the way it is."
I could understand that. So only thing

741
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:11,199
that I asked then I'm still asking
was a community meeting where you come

742
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:14,960
and get let all the peoples who from
down a pace

743
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:19,040
or anyone else who may want to come
attend the meeting and come up and just

744
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:25,120
tell you about how beautiful their homes
are that little piece of land that they

745
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:29,760
live on. But you you know and I think I
and you correct me if I'm wrong James

746
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:32,719
because you know I'm just who I am. I
had asked you to get the number last

747
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:37,360
week so I could call, we could set up a
meeting and I'm talking to our county

748
01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:40,360
manager and what did you relate back to
me?

749
01:22:41,679 --> 01:22:50,639
» That was staff was getting the number um
and the uh proponent at that time

750
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:57,880
declined to have a public meeting.
So, hold.

751
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:57,880
So, what I'm saying is

752
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:05,760
I what I what I'm going to do is table
it to give them an opportunity

753
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:11,280
to come to our public meeting
and so you can hear the people who homes

754
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:17,199
that will be around that big old
subdivision that probably that's going

755
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:21,280
to bring to right across down pay.
And there was two vineyards I was

756
01:23:18,639 --> 01:23:27,679
looking at either church in Dana Pace or
Bethlehem Baptist Church.

757
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:34,159
And so what I would like to do my my
fellow commissioners for the down of

758
01:23:29,679 --> 01:23:39,600
pacing is to table it for 30 days to
give us a t a chance to have a public

759
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:45,679
meeting with the developers so they can
tell you personally

760
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:51,120
what they want to build in around our
community. Secondly, I'm going to have

761
01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:56,800
the sheriff I'm ask him or represent be
present to talk about the traffic that

762
01:23:54,159 --> 01:24:03,600
is going to bring to the community. Have
the fire chief there talk about possible

763
01:23:59,679 --> 01:24:08,000
fires and we know we have uh uh board
education member uh Anson Bay to be

764
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:14,960
there too as well. So we just want to
have a big nice peaceable discussion

765
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:20,400
with you as far as how how if we move
forward

766
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:24,639
how we could all work together if we can
for something.

767
01:24:22,719 --> 01:24:29,360
And lastly,
it's standard watchpace.

768
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:34,400
When I first became a commissioner, I
learned about that story. In fact, Mr.

769
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:40,000
Fleman Pitts made sure I knew about that
story.

770
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:43,520
Uh she had an orphanage and she was a
she was a slave, had an orphanage and

771
01:24:41,679 --> 01:24:48,880
she had about two kids that she brought
with her and started or orphanage here

772
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:53,520
on down a pace. She had all the acres
that you heard about, what, 400, 500

773
01:24:51,679 --> 01:24:59,120
acres.
And she died in 1933.

774
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:04,000
And when she died, two years, it lasted
only two years. And she died,

775
01:25:01,679 --> 01:25:07,679
the history was forgotten.
And I refused to let her history be

776
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:13,920
forgotten because I cried because when I
read the story just like my grandmother

777
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:17,679
or my mother
in the plaque they would let they put on

778
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:22,719
the property where the old oak tree at
where there should be some uh some old

779
01:25:20,159 --> 01:25:28,000
slaves some slaves
uh head of the headstone there which

780
01:25:24,719 --> 01:25:32,320
rocks around the oak tree. We got into
the Dip Pace Park. is upon the sign

781
01:25:30,719 --> 01:25:37,679
talking about what she had did for Donna
Pace.

782
01:25:34,639 --> 01:25:42,560
I will not let history at least on my
watch be forgotten nowhere in New

783
01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:47,360
County. those people. The reason why I'm
here sitting here today, this day is

784
01:25:44,719 --> 01:25:51,679
because of those peoples because I'm
standing on their shoulders

785
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:58,800
in order to be here. Cuz other than
that, we wouldn't had a reverend card

786
01:25:55,280 --> 01:26:04,480
and we wouldn't had others to sit in
this seat had it not been for them. And

787
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:07,920
so, but I'm and I'm closing. I'm just
going to say this. I'm going to set up a

788
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:13,360
meeting. I'm ask that another meeting be
set up

789
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:19,040
and we all attend come in peacefully
talk about it and then the next meeting

790
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:24,080
we have a we'll make a decision.
So having said that u Mr. Chairman I'd

791
01:26:22,239 --> 01:26:27,199
like to make a motion to table for 30
days.

792
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:32,480
» Chairman if I may um could we do that
for 60 days to allow for readvertising?

793
01:26:30,719 --> 01:26:35,040
» I changed that motion for 60 days.
>> Thank you.

794
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:38,360
» Thank you sir. Thank you ma'am. Um, is
there a second?

795
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:45,520
» It's been motioned by Commissioner
Henderson that we table this for 60 days

796
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:53,120
and second by um, Commissioner Cooper.
Any discussion? Uh, Commissioner Long.

797
01:26:49,679 --> 01:26:56,159
» Lots of discussion. Okay. Where is that
traffic report? How come you haven't

798
01:26:54,560 --> 01:27:01,440
received the updated traffic report that
they said they have?

799
01:26:58,719 --> 01:27:04,639
» And we don't have a copy of the amended
report at this time. They did not

800
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:07,920
provide one before tonight, but they're
saying they have one.

801
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:10,560
» It appear that they have done one, but I
don't believe we received it,

802
01:27:08,719 --> 01:27:16,320
» but we haven't seen it. And we have
1,500 other homes in this area that are

803
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:19,760
coming online
>> that have come online and existing.

804
01:27:18,159 --> 01:27:22,880
» Okay. All right. That's so they they're
in just like we've been talking about

805
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:26,480
with this UDO, everything that's in the
pipeline, you got to remember what's on

806
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:29,440
down the road. And one of the things
that we've been talking about is I know

807
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:33,280
everybody mentions the eastern end of
the county and yes I protect the heck

808
01:27:31,679 --> 01:27:37,360
out of the eastern end of the county but
that doesn't mean I'm not going to

809
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:42,080
protect the western end of the county.
So I would like to make a substitute

810
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:45,080
motion to deny the plat immediately
tonight.

811
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:55,440
Um there's a substitute motion on the
floor um made by commissioner long that

812
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:57,520
we deny this uh plaque tonight. Is there
Um a second.

813
01:27:56,719 --> 01:28:02,000
» Second.
>> It's been motioned by um Commissioner

814
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:07,679
Long and second by Commissioner Mason.
Any discussion?

815
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:13,171
» All in favor
and stand denied. Thank you. Five.

816
01:28:10,159 --> 01:28:13,171
» Thank you. [applause]

817
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:22,199
» Next is citizen comments. this
opportunity, we allow citiz

818
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:33,760
Oh, I'm sorry. We do have one more. Miss
Apple White, we have one more. Yep,

819
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:38,960
guys. I apologize. We're We have one
more. We're still in um our public

820
01:28:35,679 --> 01:28:44,719
hearing. I have one more.
>> My apologies, chairman. Our final item

821
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:49,520
this evening is for consideration a
resolution 081826.

822
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:55,199
It's a resolution of the Newton County
Board of Commissioners extending through

823
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:59,679
November 4th, 2026 an existing moratorum
on the acceptance or approval of new

824
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:04,480
applications seeking one to resone
property to any zoning category that

825
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:07,920
authorizes residential uses. Two,
preliminary plat approval for any

826
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:12,239
development that includes any
residential use. three requests for

827
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:17,920
temporary building permits for
residential uses under section 510640

828
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:23,440
of the Newton County Unified Development
Ordinance. So basically our moratorium

829
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:27,920
on residential subdivisions will expire
on August 19th which is tomorrow. So

830
01:29:26,239 --> 01:29:33,120
we're looking to extend that until
November 4th which would coincide with

831
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:39,440
when we propose to wrap up and have the
UDO adopted the updated UDO.

832
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:41,920
some go ahead.
>> I'm ready.

833
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:45,440
» Okay. I think we got to open this up for
a public hearing. Apolog apologies.

834
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:48,960
» This Yes, this is will be a public
hearing.

835
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:54,320
» Yep. Thank you, ma'am. So, um the
applicant, which is um us,

836
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:58,560
» we have 10 minutes. Anyone want to speak
in favor tonight? You have 10 minutes to

837
01:29:55,760 --> 01:30:02,679
do so. You may come at this time.
You have 10 minutes to do so.

838
01:30:03,679 --> 01:30:08,880
Thank you. That portion is closed. We
also allow 10 minutes for those that

839
01:30:07,440 --> 01:30:11,440
would like to oppose. You have 10
minutes to do so. You may come at this

840
01:30:10,159 --> 01:30:15,679
time. State your name, your address for
the record, please. Anyone want to

841
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:19,520
oppose tonight?
Um, anyone want to oppose tonight? That

842
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:22,600
portion is closed. Miss Apple White, if
you would

843
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:30,159
commissioners, I seek a motion, please.
>> It's been motioned by Commissioner Long

844
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:35,679
and second by Commissioner Cooper. Any
discussion? All in favor? Thank you.

845
01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:38,639
passes 5.
>> Thank you, chairman. That concludes the

846
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:42,400
zoning items for this evening.
>> Thank you, ma'am. Now, we're citizen

847
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:45,280
comments. You have three minutes to do
so. If you would please come and state

848
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:48,280
your name, your address for the record,
please.

849
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:56,360
You may come this time. You have three
minutes to do so. State your name, your

850
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:56,360
address for the record, please.

851
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:20,080
I'd like to thank the board of
commissioners for this time.

852
01:31:16,719 --> 01:31:22,560
I'm here about stray cats and how the
how areas

853
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:25,120
» Can I get you to pull your mic down just
so they can hear you? There you go.

854
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:28,800
» Oh, I'm sorry. And your name if you
don't mind.

855
01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:35,360
» Oh, my name's Claude Hartley.
>> Okay. Uh, and I'd like to thank the

856
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:40,080
board again. I'm here about stray cats
and how areas in our county are overrun

857
01:31:38,239 --> 01:31:48,239
with cats.
Last year, I captured 16 or more cats

858
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:54,880
and have taken them to animal control.
This year, I have captured 12 cats,

859
01:31:51,360 --> 01:32:00,560
making a total of 28 cats
in this period of time.

860
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:06,480
Monday, I took a cat to animal control.
There was a notice posted on the front

861
01:32:02,639 --> 01:32:11,360
door stating
they are not taking any more cats.

862
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:17,000
They're full.
This shows how bad the problem is in

863
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:17,000
this county.

864
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:31,120
Let me find my spot here. It's my
understanding that Newton County control

865
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:35,760
does not capture feral cats. What's a
citizen to do?

866
01:32:33,679 --> 01:32:40,639
I know they are overwhelmed, but they
are the only resource we have to this

867
01:32:38,480 --> 01:32:48,880
ongoing problem.
I have a suggestion. It's called TNR.

868
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:54,239
What this means is capture, spade,
neuter.

869
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:58,880
that prevents the cat
from reproducing.

870
01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:05,360
Then you release the cat over a period
of time. I think this would help.

871
01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:11,719
I have a number of counties that
practice this and it seems to have some

872
01:33:08,719 --> 01:33:11,719
success.

873
01:33:12,159 --> 01:33:16,280
The counties that practice it,

874
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:27,239
this is going to shock you.
An unspayed female cat can become

875
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:27,239
pregnant within four months

876
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:39,360
and bear three litters a year, assuming
at least one cat survives.

877
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:43,679
This cycle can produce over 200 cats a
year.

878
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:49,040
Uh
the thing is, now I'm going off script.

879
01:33:46,639 --> 01:33:54,080
The thing is that
animal control, when you take a cat to

880
01:33:51,920 --> 01:34:02,320
them,
their response is we're full. All this

881
01:33:57,679 --> 01:34:10,239
does is cause cats to reproduce in the
area. And I'd like to see other methods

882
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:14,719
like an ENR method looked into to maybe
help with this. And thank you.

883
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:19,400
» Thank you, sir.
>> Thank you. Anyone else?

884
01:34:25,199 --> 01:34:33,120
» No. So, we we'll get them we'll get in
front of you. All right. Thank you.

885
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:39,840
» Newton County Omega Newton County
resident. The question is specifically

886
01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:43,920
aimed at you. Uh and the question is
concerning the

887
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:47,520
parliamentary
procedures

888
01:34:45,440 --> 01:34:52,000
and what I need to get an understanding
of [clears throat] is

889
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:58,239
what is the
uh overriding

890
01:34:55,040 --> 01:35:03,040
authority that rescended the governor's
suspension. In other words, I'm not here

891
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:08,719
to challenge. I'm here to get
understanding or clarity because the

892
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:13,920
back and forth was
from my understanding

893
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:20,639
that although you had five charges
dismissed that you still have standing

894
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:26,400
charges against you and and Governor
Kemp has been very vocal and coming out

895
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:30,719
in news organizations and media saying
that the suspension and the executive

896
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:36,560
order suspension and removal still
stands. So, help me and the rest of the

897
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:40,320
Newton County residents understand. Is
there something that we missed or

898
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:47,800
somebody that has more authority than
the presiding governor that you have the

899
01:35:43,199 --> 01:35:47,800
power to override the suspension?

900
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:57,120
You got a minute and 40 seconds, sir.
>> Yeah. I'm asking you a question.

901
01:35:54,719 --> 01:36:00,080
» So, you can come up and speak. We don't
speak back to you now. you can come up

902
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:02,960
and talk to us after the meeting is over
with, but you have a minute and 30

903
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:04,400
seconds remaining.
>> All right.

904
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:13,600
» Thank you, sir.
>> So, in in essence, what's what's going

905
01:36:08,719 --> 01:36:17,560
on is is that we need to understand that
according to the OCGA45-5-6.

906
01:36:19,199 --> 01:36:31,120
is very explicit in that it explains
pending the final disposition of their

907
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:37,120
criminal cases or expiration of your
term of office which neither one is

908
01:36:33,679 --> 01:36:44,800
happening like the term is still ongoing
and there's no decision on part of the

909
01:36:40,639 --> 01:36:51,360
courts the judge the governor everybody
is saying nope you still have these

910
01:36:47,440 --> 01:36:56,000
things going don't. So, it disturbs me
because, you know, I don't really

911
01:36:54,400 --> 01:37:01,119
participate
like this. I'm behind the scenes kind of

912
01:36:58,239 --> 01:37:07,119
guy. And when I start seeing things
going sideways or going left, see, it

913
01:37:05,119 --> 01:37:12,719
puts me in the mind or it triggers me in
a way where I'm I'm being challenged if

914
01:37:10,159 --> 01:37:17,520
if I'm stepping up and actually
operating under my, you know,

915
01:37:15,199 --> 01:37:22,880
constitutional
um

916
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:28,000
what we might call duty. So, I'm coming
straight up and saying that this would

917
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:32,639
not be the end of this. So, I want to
talk to you, brother Baines, and I want

918
01:37:29,440 --> 01:37:37,320
to find out what we can find out.
>> Thank you, sir. Anyone else?

919
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:42,440
» Please state your name, your address for
the record, please.

920
01:37:45,119 --> 01:37:52,960
Hello everybody. Good evening. I want to
ask the new county board of commission

921
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:57,679
about the youth facility plan on 50
road. This project had been talked about

922
01:37:55,360 --> 01:38:04,239
for some time and the community deserve
to know what's taking them so long.

923
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:11,119
So, I have something else to say. My
uncle had a seizure at 1:35

924
01:38:08,719 --> 01:38:18,159
p.m.
and the fire department arrived at

925
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:25,040
around 1 something. And not only that,
the ambulance showed up at 2:05. That

926
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:30,560
contract was signed on the EMT. That
don't look too well because my uncle

927
01:38:26,639 --> 01:38:34,560
almost died from that. So, y'all didn't
do a new contract cuz that don't look

928
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:37,960
too good, y'all. Thank y'all. Thank you.
Anyone else?

929
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:48,280
Please state your name, your address for
the record, please.

930
01:38:50,159 --> 01:38:55,280
Thank you once again. Thank you once
again, commissioners. My name is

931
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:59,119
Gladstone Nicholson. Live on the west
side of town.

932
01:38:57,440 --> 01:39:04,960
And what couple things I have to say,
but I'll say something almost impromptu.

933
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:09,920
That young man who just came up here,
if there are folks like him, I think we

934
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:15,280
have a legacy already being built and we
should make as strong as we can as a

935
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:20,800
community. I like what he said.
But why I came up here is to say thank

936
01:39:17,440 --> 01:39:26,000
you to the commissioner for district 5
who wanted who gave an emphatic answer

937
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:33,280
to the question about that construction.
I thank you much

938
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:39,040
and um I in my brief moments uh I said
we need to have a more balanced view of

939
01:39:36,159 --> 01:39:46,320
construction across the county. We have
the east side, west side. We probably

940
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:52,159
have maybe they might be newer and older
Newton County, but I do believe there

941
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:57,760
has been some
differences in how uh development is

942
01:39:55,119 --> 01:40:03,440
handled. Perhaps it's because the new
folks did not do not did not understand

943
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:07,600
as well as older folks how this system
here works. Not that it works badly, but

944
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:13,280
the idea here is if you don't know a
system, you're going to have some slack

945
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:18,239
time where you might maybe come up on
short end because of your learning curve

946
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:24,239
being not being as sharp as it probably
should be. So the idea here is for folks

947
01:40:20,639 --> 01:40:28,960
on west side in your side to understand
that they have as much at stake in this

948
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:34,880
county as the folks who have quote
unquote all the land that's being

949
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:38,800
hoarded for whatever is down the road.
And I just want to say thank you all for

950
01:40:36,639 --> 01:40:44,560
what you're doing. Thank you
commissioner. There are some new members

951
01:40:41,119 --> 01:40:49,040
on the board. Thank you all again. and
maybe the future will be brighter than

952
01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:53,920
it's been for the past I don't know
decade or so. Thank you all.

953
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:59,440
» Thank you, sir. Anyone else?
Commissioner Edwards.

954
01:40:56,960 --> 01:41:04,639
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, I want to
start off by making sure everyone

955
01:41:02,159 --> 01:41:09,280
understands. Now, we we denied a project
tonight that and and I voted against it,

956
01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:14,000
don't get me wrong, so I voted against
it. But we've denied a project tonight

957
01:41:11,440 --> 01:41:19,520
that is allowed by right. And what I
mean by that is the zoning existed

958
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:24,159
for some type of residential development
on that property. The time for us to

959
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:27,840
yell and scream, include myself, is
during the zoning hearings when we were

960
01:41:26,480 --> 01:41:33,199
trying to change the zoning on
properties. That's the time to voice

961
01:41:30,239 --> 01:41:37,920
your opposition. Tonight we we heard the
opposition to a final plat.

962
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:43,600
And a final plat is just hey we're
deciding on the configuration and we

963
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:50,880
turn that down harder defending court.
Uh the other thing I want to touch on is

964
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:55,920
um you know this this thing of east and
west has popped up again on the west on

965
01:41:54,080 --> 01:42:01,360
the east southeastern and the eastern
side of the county we have no sewer. So

966
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:06,639
the density the zoning density is not
there not allowed. Um, I don't know why

967
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:11,199
the sewers sewer started on the western
side of the county 40 years ago. I have

968
01:42:08,719 --> 01:42:15,600
no idea. I wasn't probably didn't care
then, but I mean I wasn't a commissioner

969
01:42:13,119 --> 01:42:19,360
for sure back then. So that's where the
sewer the density follows the sewer. And

970
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:24,960
keep in mind, and I'm talking about
myself here, too. So we we we we voice

971
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:28,480
our opinion in opposition, and I've
stood right there and done it. We voice

972
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:33,440
our opinion in opposition to
developments when we all live in a

973
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:39,199
development on one one way or the other.
We all most of us live in a subdivision.

974
01:42:36,480 --> 01:42:45,600
So I have I have some acorage where I
live and I remember people I zoned two

975
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:49,360
acres of my of my my my acres. I zoned
two of my house and I had people stand

976
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:54,320
up in opposition against it because they
just didn't want to see agricultural

977
01:42:51,440 --> 01:42:57,760
property go residential. So, I
understand it. But we all live on

978
01:42:56,080 --> 01:43:05,760
property that one time was probably
agricultural. And we and we uh we we we

979
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:09,920
protest I do I do it as well. We protest
our developments. And I don't want to

980
01:43:07,679 --> 01:43:13,760
and you've heard me say it 16,000 times
sitting right here. If we never build

981
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:20,960
another house in Newton County, it suits
me just fine. I don't care what what

982
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:24,480
zone uh what uh district is in. So, but
that's not reality. But I just wanted to

983
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:28,480
I just wanted to make that point that
that that we all live on property that

984
01:43:26,719 --> 01:43:32,800
some somebody probably protested when
they got ready to develop it sub

985
01:43:30,239 --> 01:43:38,719
especially subdivisions. So just want to
get that off. Mr. Chairman, thank you.

986
01:43:35,119 --> 01:43:46,239
» Thank you, sir. Um Commissioner Mason,
>> thank you, sir. Um Commissioner Cooper,

987
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:50,080
» thank you, Chair. Um Commissioner, like
I said, I heard what you're saying on

988
01:43:47,440 --> 01:43:53,440
that. Um but also
uh I know you talked about the sewer

989
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:58,239
accepted on that but maybe we need to
look at developers or something u doing

990
01:43:56,000 --> 01:44:03,840
on the upside but we don't still at the
same time we want to make sure that we

991
01:44:01,679 --> 01:44:09,440
um get
uh what we want and what we deserve on

992
01:44:06,639 --> 01:44:14,080
the west side. So, uh maybe we can talk
to developers and and and install the

993
01:44:12,639 --> 01:44:20,239
seal line or something, make it part of
their scope or something, but we can't

994
01:44:16,719 --> 01:44:26,840
uh continue to uh put everything on on
the west side.

995
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:26,840
» Um Commissioner Henderson,

996
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:35,119
» thank you. Thank you, Mr. C. I just want
just want to say this and and I I say

997
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:40,000
Stan, you hit it the nail right on the
head.

998
01:44:36,639 --> 01:44:45,440
that that was somewhat a bad decision in
what we done. Whereas if you would have

999
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:50,639
had meetings, you could have maybe
worked with the developer in order to

1000
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:55,119
get maybe possibly less density or
whatever you wanted to do. But by flat

1001
01:44:53,679 --> 01:45:00,639
out denying it, knowing that you had
really had no real reason for denying

1002
01:44:57,840 --> 01:45:07,440
it, they go to court, get it approved,
they build a subdivision.

1003
01:45:03,199 --> 01:45:10,400
You have no say in at all. And so only
thing as the district 4 county

1004
01:45:08,719 --> 01:45:15,280
commissioner what I was saying was that
I was trying to the best of my ability.

1005
01:45:13,119 --> 01:45:20,239
So I'm sitting up here longer than
anyone up here. I understand kind of a

1006
01:45:18,719 --> 01:45:26,719
little bit how it kind of works. But
that and it's fine. You learn by trial

1007
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:32,800
and error. And so we we'll see what the
end results will be uh as far as that

1008
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:38,800
subdivision on down a pace and in all
the other one over on Cal Road. It's

1009
01:45:35,679 --> 01:45:43,360
also is a subdivision that the judge
rule against us and they wanted to build

1010
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:48,239
it. So, we're denied again and
eventually they'll probably build what

1011
01:45:45,679 --> 01:45:53,760
they want to build. And you can have all
we have all those houses up there.

1012
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:59,760
And I learned a long time ago if you can
talk a little bit of sense into me like

1013
01:45:57,679 --> 01:46:03,199
my mama did, then I probably act a
little bit better. I did when I was a

1014
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:06,800
younger man. Thank you. Thank you, sir.
Uh, Commissioner Long.

1015
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:10,000
» Well, I disagree with them.
>> I've been doing real estate for 30

1016
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:13,760
years, and I'm gonna tell you something.
We did not apply tonight. And I think

1017
01:46:12,239 --> 01:46:17,119
sometimes government gets a little
brainwashed.

1018
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:21,600
And I think that there are things that
you can do and we've proved that several

1019
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:26,239
times since I've been on this board for
18 months that we have one against

1020
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:30,320
developers that take us to court. You
have to have that can do. We're not

1021
01:46:28,239 --> 01:46:34,159
going to take it attitude. And you have
to say when we deny a plat, and I didn't

1022
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:39,119
give all the reasons why we deny this
plaque, but we can deny what they are

1023
01:46:36,239 --> 01:46:43,280
presenting anytime we want to. Now, can
they come back? Yes. And we can sit down

1024
01:46:41,440 --> 01:46:49,280
with them and have that discussion and
we can say and put all these conditions

1025
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:53,119
in there. Okay, we don't have to have
310 homes. We can put all the conditions

1026
01:46:51,440 --> 01:46:57,679
in there. They are using what we have as
a loophole right now where they're using

1027
01:46:55,199 --> 01:47:02,400
two types of zoning on top of each
other. Okay. So, we do have rights as

1028
01:47:00,719 --> 01:47:04,960
citizens in this county. And I get so
tired of hearing, oh, we can't do

1029
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:07,920
anything. We're going to get sued. I
don't care.

1030
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:11,199
» Well, who's making money? So let's get
>> you making money guys.

1031
01:47:09,440 --> 01:47:15,520
» I do not talk over you.
>> So we can Well, you know what? That's

1032
01:47:13,199 --> 01:47:20,000
kind of contradictory then, you know,
>> but I want good developments in this

1033
01:47:17,199 --> 01:47:23,280
county. I want to make sure that we take
our time because they can come in here

1034
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:27,520
and give us a dog and pony show every
time they want to. But do they ever turn

1035
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:30,800
out like these pictures?
>> No.

1036
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:33,760
» No, they do not. So I am willing to take
that chance and if they want to come

1037
01:47:32,159 --> 01:47:37,440
meet with me, they come meet with me.
I'll tell them what we can do better

1038
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:42,480
because I realize that if there's a
will, there is a way and that's just how

1039
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:48,080
I do things and it's different. It's a
different mindset. I might be wrong, but

1040
01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:51,760
I'm willing to take that chance. That's
all I want to say about that. And um you

1041
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:55,440
know, sometimes you just have to kick
the can down the road a little bit.

1042
01:47:54,239 --> 01:48:01,280
Thank you.
>> Thank you. There is a need for executive

1043
01:47:57,199 --> 01:48:05,840
session tonight. Um personnel and u
potential litigation. I seek a motion

1044
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:09,920
that we move into executive session.
It's been there a second. It's been

1045
01:48:08,480 --> 01:48:15,480
motioned by Commissioner Henderson and
second by Commissioner Edwards. Any

1046
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:15,480
discussion? We

1047
02:29:22,800 --> 02:29:32,240
We are now back in regular session. Do I
have a motion to

1048
02:29:29,120 --> 02:29:38,359
» to adjourn?
All those all those in favor we are

1049
02:29:35,359 --> 02:29:38,359
journed.