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Let's talk about an approval of
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you're willing, uh, give me a motion and
also have a look at minutes from our

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last meeting.

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Go ahead and make a motion to approve
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have a motion

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and a second from Nathan. That motion is
to approve last minutes meeting and

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tonight's agenda. Any discussion on
that, please?

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Seeing none, those in favor, please say
I. I. Any oppose? Okay. Motion passes.

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Appreciate it. Cheryl, great job on the
minutes as always. your argument. Uh,

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now we can do public comment period. I'm
in a hurry because I know Kendall is got

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another appointment tonight. So, um, not
that not that not that you have to say

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anything. This is open mic uh moment for
anyone who would like to address the

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council about any topic that they would
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you can you can uh can like I think if
you're here, that's what I'm trying to

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say. If you're here for another agenda
item uh and you are proponent or uh

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involved in that agenda item, we'll give
you plenty of time to speak on that

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agenda item. So, you don't have to
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You're welcome to. Uh with that, Kendall
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[clears throat] 4,300

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» that I still named.
Anyways, just here representing the

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parks and wreck to give you a little bit
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We hadn't met for two months because
summer gets crazy. Heritage Days, we

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paid June the July off. Um, one of the
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presentation from the Cash Valley RC
club. Um, and we also had invited Craig

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Marlo to join us. He was the one that
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and revamp that. and the RC club wants
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for their RC cars. So they presented to
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Craig was willing to work with them. We
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with the proposal come back to us and
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you guys in the near future. So that was
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another item was in Norreck as always
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let things mainly the county stop us.
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get that to not not to get to that point
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third item um, our committee member
Mandy Mandy Leis he has been in theater

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most of his life. His daughter is a one
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updator as well. Anyways, he proposed a
while ago about a community theater in

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Italy. They did a survey results. Um,
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steps were. Um, and B, he talked about
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cost a lot of money, if any at all. Um
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form a committee, get committee members
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One of the ideas he talked about was a
dinner theater um based on survivor and

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uh he's like he's done it many many
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nutcracker and having it being a a
family friendly nutcracker. Anyways,

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excited about that. um things things for
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come in the future.
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» Um we're not since it's not on since
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the agenda, we won't have a policy
discussion on it, but we can exchange

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information. You have questions for
Kendall.

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um of the things you mentioned and
talked about moving forward with parks

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and rec committee. If you need something
from the council, then let us know.

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Please let me just know or a council
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Try to help you help us.
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» We got to stop somewhere.
>> Thank you, Kendall.

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Okay. If you're if you just come in,
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is a chance for anyone to speak to the
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If you're here as an affected party of
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I've promised residents of 2600 South.
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to speak during that agenda item. You
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Thank you.
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work to get it by
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when grandkids haven't give us your
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» Oh, I'm sorry. Can't see. Thank you.
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» And then the other thing, but that's
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got only three days a weekend, but the
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time exchange, especially for the middle
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total mess. I tried to come down the
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trailer and
I'm lucky to get out of there without

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hitting another car. So that's all but u
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for us.
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information. Um we know of problems with
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drop off. 3200 South was certainly
affected as well. Um, we'll be chatting

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with principles and staff
to help figure that out. Thanks for your

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comments. Anyone else like to address
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Okay. If not, I'll close the public
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planning and planning commission report.
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» Yes. So, both items that were discussed
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are on the agenda tonight. So I can I
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at that time.
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staff reports. We move this to the front
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stay all night long. You guys do.
But anyway, Steve Talon, do you have

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anything for us? Go ahead. Steve a
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» Yeah, let's take a minute. Uh so for the
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3200 12 West our new road treatment. Um
I think we are depleted. We have just a

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little bit of painting left to do, but
it's in anybody's eyesight of what it

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is. So that was exciting. I don't know.
Probably one of the best chip seal

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projects I've ever been involved in. It
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great job. I hope everybody else feels
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observations, but yeah, that was good.
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our other employee to the streets
department. They just wanted to thank

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you guys and a thank you from public
works for that behalf and it'll be great

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success to that team and us as
[clears throat] well. So, his name's

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Danny and Lee and I. So, we're excited
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That's it. Any questions?
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» Um, yeah. So, did you work with Logan
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flashing beacon at the Creek Parker,
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was very involved.
>> And you're welcome to do that now if you

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invite Tom
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till the end of the meeting too. Either
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couple years, I've been trying to get
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beacon from Strata that came midblock to
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opportunity. The the development to the
east wasn't done yet. Um, I really

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didn't want I feel uncomfortable having
kids cross on 800 West without

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supervision. That's one of our bit that
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it or not. that section of 800 West.
My efforts failed. The mayor stepped in

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and Justin stepped in and they
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» we didn't achieve a solution. Tom wanted
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but u hopefully one day we will get that
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park and not have to go two blocks to
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to get it done. They tried to get it
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a day or two, but it's it's now up and
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» Yeah. Thank you, Tom. Is that
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» Anything else? Uh I I'll say one thing.
I said this to Tom. I'll say to you,

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Steve, as well. I I I was so opposed to
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a bike well. But this was a good thing.
I mean, me back and forth to city hall

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on 3200 South, I thought the Chipill
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really well even for cyclists and you
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stay out of it if if you could.
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» Yeah, I [clears throat] think Chip
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» It's come a long way since we're not
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I add to that? I think we're so used to
what Logan does. They have that chip

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sale and it's slag. They they grabbed
slag from new corn. They truck it all

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winter preparation for that. And so if
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that either. In in this selection, Steve
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riders and alternative users. So we
selected a product that was more fine in

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nature, had a lot of fines and would
bind really well. And it

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» And then you got the sealer on it.
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just locked everything in. So, right,
kudos to Steve and Chad and they did a

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great job.
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painted bike lanes on the road,
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that. Yeah, I see other thumbs up. So,
good job. Um, the road is safer for

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everybody having painted bike lanes.
That's advice from the Federal Highway

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Administration and I see it in action.
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» even though they have painted bike, some
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» Yeah.
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did do, um, the crossing lights down on
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instead of north and south and then east
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roundabout. Now that the sidewalk is
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of 3200. So before we had the two lights
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all the way to 9 crosses.
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» and that's in conjunction with
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councils.
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» perfect. We met with them and updated
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smart plan as well. So,
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Anything else, council? All right. Good
job. Thank you. We Let's move on to

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update from the Nibbly Morgan farm.
Roxy, are you the star or is Mike the

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star or bring your star?
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gonna tag team us.
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review which has been our lease
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feel like after the fair is a really
good time to kind of um let everybody

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know where we're at and so that's what
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need to switch
>> and Roxy, can you speak like put your

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face right in that mic if you lose?
>> We're very popular when you get You may

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not.
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slide or did you want to go to the
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um way back started. And so just to kind
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within those goals that we did set. Um
the Brooklyn is like a historic type of

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you know we want to take historic feel
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then um we also uh have three other
goals. One is community garden. Oh,

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thanks. Um one is community garden, the
other is um like kind of a community

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piece. Um and then thirdly, we have a 4.
So we kind of these four things. And so

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as we go through tonight, we hope that
you can see the correlation between

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those. Um but what we really feel like
we really hit a home run in this year

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was our um outreach, our public any
outreach to um any and all. So anyway,

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that's what we're going to spend just a
few highlights really is all we're going

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to talk about tonight and of course you
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is our flag field. It was wildly popular
and we'll go ahead and let Savannah talk

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about it. um she sort of was the brain
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kind of took over on that.
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that we got to us um and it was just
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photographer come one night the day of
heritage days and just randomly asked if

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could take some pictures with the vibes
up. So we took some pictures and then we

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were like, "Hey, we should open this up
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we posted it about it on our Instagram
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or two photographers there at night for
about a month. We had people coming down

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Lake kind of all over cuz it's kind of a
unique barn flag escape. Uh, and then

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someone that was getting to Florida to
draw his family, um, and took pictures

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there. Someone that was just graduating
from what was it called? Boot camp came

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and took pictures. So, there's a fun
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because it kind of draws back to Nibbly.
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hats on those kids are um her late
husband Kelly and her daughter did this

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beautiful post about him and so we
thought that was really appropriate to

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bring that picture with us and of course
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um all right so here's just a few
pictures um we had even like fashion

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models come which was wildly weird for
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But it's like the real deal, I guess, in
the fashion world. Uh, but that's just

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to share a little bit. Um, if you do get
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Instagram things, these are the posts
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that we're talking about. Um, all right,
we're going to go ahead and move on and

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talk about our arm, which has also been
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Yeah, I feel like this has really helped
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Utah State Extension donated this shed
to us. It was their old 4 shed and we

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had been we tried last year to do a
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work out very good. So we took this
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fill it with products and we really
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who we tried to keep it midly people who
came to do it in midly they can sell

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their products that they make
handcrafted products um out of this box

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and we sell our flowers
local honey just a bunch of stuff and

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it's been a really cool place of
community where they'll I don't know can

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just meet each other and kind of show
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beginning of June.
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And um also the Morgan farm landed in a
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I'm going to be truthful, but it
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so this is part of this picture here
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[clears throat] the the main piece. Um,
the and then the rest of the story comes

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later. But, uh, Savannah ended up being
in uh, with these other models, which

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also looks wildly different than the
rest. This actually was taken after

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heritage days, and we were just cleaning
up. So, she is not um, model ready, if

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you will. [snorts] And then there's all
these models pictures and then which was

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pretty funny to see. But um anyway, we
thought it was cool. Also, the person

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who's behind.

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All right. Um so then we'll talk about
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we are doing with that. We have some um
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never talk about those.

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» Yeah. So our started last year is a big
success. Um we hosted lots of events

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here. We try and keep them really
affordable for the community. So we've

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had a few what we call upic events where
the community can come and they kind of

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get free rain of the flower garden. They
can cut whatever flowers they want, make

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their own bouquet, keep it to a dollar
instead just to make it nice and

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affordable. Um, we did a back to school
night. We did a flower crown night.

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We have like a birthday party which is
hosting here.

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assisted living homes and did
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brought them to them and then they were
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for their their room. Um
what events oh we donated to both

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Ridgeline and Malcross culture class
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this year. Um,
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flowers for the nibbly
nibbly Utah.

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So, we did all the little bookcase all
day. So, it's been a lot of fun. Um, and

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I feel like it's a big eye catch for new
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able to go in and um they helped us with
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flowers and then as they check on them
grow through the summer they're able to

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come in and take whatever they want um
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little.

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All right. Um, this is the thing that
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with um, Utah State University Extension
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kind of a big process and kind of a big
deal because every horse that's used has

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to be safety assessed, which means we
have to do a lot of work with these

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animals. They don't just sit in the
field and then get pulled out and used

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here and there. they're consistently
constantly um being desensitized and

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work with so that they are safe for the
people that work with them and we are

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not the ones that do the assessing. We
have um State University does that for

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us. So, it's a third party. Um, and we
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scale United and we ran um an adult
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session during the winter and um it
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the summer we did um was called 143
and that was quite popular and we are

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again ready to run that. We have two
different sessions going. We have a

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school session during the day and then
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the earlier like
um we posted that yesterday and it is

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already more than full. And so this is
something that's really popular. has a

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research pieces to it and we'll also
detect research on these um kids that

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came in. We already have everything set
up with USU um for uh doing research

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with you. So um that is ready to go and
we're very excited about it.

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Um here is some of our just to show you
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and then just a few pictures of some of
the um different um sessions that we

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did.
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and um ultimately they have to be fair
rodeo. Um we had a huge group of 4 this

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year. um or age for some reason we
didn't at the office. They didn't have

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it like listed at a certain age. So we
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they're even supposed to be, but we just
ran with it and it was like we're going

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to pay off every time we had it. But we
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like I said earlier, we started with
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those in the grounded and then we moved
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dogs and I think we did or maybe we did
horses so that they have the um that

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interaction with each of those different
types of animals. They were able to

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learn to deborm goats and what are for
and they were able to see how it go from

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poopy to shaved and what do we do if
they're fiber now and this is what it

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looks like when it comes off. So, we had
a lot of different learning

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opportunities. Um, probably my favorite
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and so just enjoying the space. Uh, the
goats were probably forever traumatized

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by the ch the children, but it's good.
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also have a lot of agricultural
leadership and youth um, education that

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have gone on in this space down at the
farm. So, we've had a lot of different

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groups request to come in and learn
about whether it be um like rodeo

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cleanings. They have some girl scouts
that came in and they did a whole um we

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have scouts come in and um we did a
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we're trying to always do some sort of
education where we part of that program.

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So, this is just a little bit of just a
few pictures of some of the kids with

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their entries and um taking these
animals to the bear. Um like the the

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bottom picture there with the the horse,
the 2-year-old horse, we have to take

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her and get her used to all sorts of
different experiences so that she will

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be able to be safe and used with the
console and the programming. Um and then

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finally if you look at the upper left
that picture is just some of our kids at

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the closing. So for 4 we when you are
part of for a service and so our service

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project this year was to do a
humanitarian kid drive or little lambs.

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we like to support them whenever we can
and Ted is great to work with and so we

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did a little drive and um took that over
to his place and um sent some hot dogs

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and and had a good time. So anyway, that
is kind of how the 4 went here that was

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fan captive. Um this is just to show you
our 2020 biography

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it was to put in that um roadway. I call
it a road. Some people call it a

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walkway, but anyways, gravel is space.
Um, and Steve has been so helpful in

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getting it done in. So, we want to make
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and we couldn't without these guys. Um,
but so helpful in in making these.

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Um, and then we got a 2026 grant that
will put in an additional opening good

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for the channel with a training area
that keeps the animals off of the main

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lanes and keeps the public safe while
the kids can in a space that's better

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for them as well. So, uh, that brings us
to our trailer. So, if someone will

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please, now listen, this did not exist
in

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giving me grace. We wanted to show you
>> and goes on. And that's it. That's all

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we've got for today.

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» Oh, sorry.

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» Oh,
listen to it.

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While Levi's working on that, if we
don't distract you, Levi, maybe you can

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ignore us. Um, comments, questions for
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uh Roxy Savannah.
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» I'm sorry.

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program
this year or that's still in process.

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» Yeah. So, we uh we moved all of ours
down to that property. Um we we worked

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it out with uh the the previous lease
that with the fencing down there. So, we

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got that all worked out with it. So, we
were able to use the back part. Um our

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plan next year is is to use the front
part as well. Um if if it all works out

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and we get the infrastructure down
there, we could even house some like

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steer down there as 4 project. So I mean
that's that's saving the you know the

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animals cost a lot to feed and for the
community and so that having being able

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to preserve the farm and not overg graze
down there having another place where

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they can graze has been invaluable for
us to be able to others out there. So

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» yeah. Well, just to add, that's why
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that's why we're able to make the black
field happen because that field open and

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let it grow. So, we had our
So, that was good. And then one more

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question. Um, is there anything that you
specifically need from the city or like

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any additional support that you could
use from us in the coming year?

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Um, this was a question that I've been
chatting with Justin about. I don't know

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if now's the opportunity to talk about
that. Um, so the Petersons were leasing,

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Clark Peterson, their family was leasing
the is it 40 acres? I'm not sure what

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the lot size is downsh

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is at. Um, we were hoping to
>> this is our regional park.

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» Yeah.
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the fourth dimension. Yeah, we were just
hoping to maybe utilize that property to

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uh um be able to harvest the the the
grass hay down there or even if it alo

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um to help number one feed the animals
that's down there. So, we would, you

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know, continue to have it bail cut and
bailed and watered or maintained. Um and

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then any extra stuff that we had in the
federal could sell it um to help fund

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the a bit more as a funding
piece. So that's something we're hoping

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for. But the one of the other things
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did have them we had some 4 kids down
there. They were interested in learning

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how to um cut hay and and bail hay. And
we actually got them hooked up with who

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was it the the Zinger guy that does cuts
hay in the valley. And so we would like

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this to be an opportunity for us to hook
kids and youth in to be able to to learn

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how to maintain pastures and Petart's uh
farmland. So

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» I think they should be doing it on a
75year-old farm.

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[laughter]
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» appreciate
appreciate what it takes.

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» Yeah.
um you know something that you know

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they're discussing that um has maybe an
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uh there are many times where like
extension are like learning environments

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for hay and I myself would like to learn
a little bit more about it but every

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time I look at them they're like two
dollars don't want that other stuff um

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and so we would like to open that up as
something because we have an affiliation

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with extension and because certain um
people have like part of their they have

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extensions um and so that's something
that they can come down and do is teach

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the whoever you know we can open it up
just like we have one of these other um

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programming where learning about growing
a is something that is learned how you

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take care of all of that that can be
done for a minimal charge or no no

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charge um and so um as we talking about
it. Um, I said, you know, like

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everything to me is a is an outdoor
classroom learning opportunity. So when

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someone drives by the farm, they see a
farm. When I'm there, I see an outdoor

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classroom of 8 acres and limited
possibilities for children for children.

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Um, and and anyone who should be there.
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question. Um, do we have a or do you all
have a vision guess maybe an internal

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timeline for what the barn is in terms
of what your hopes are? Um, I'm forgive

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me if I should probably know this
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» well
>> maybe maybe timeline especially.

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» Happy birthday by the way.
>> Oh, thanks. Yeah.

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» Um, well Justin and I are meeting
together this week about the farm. So we

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are in conversation um about that. Any
any chance? Yeah, I'll take any chance.

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Even if I know it's probably not going
to turn out to be something, I'll take

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it anyway because if I don't do it, it's
for sure. And so, I did apply for a

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grant earlier this year. Um, I worked
really hard on it and I hoped and hoped,

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but I kind of knew before I did in
because I had met with with um the

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people in charge that our space was too
developed for what they were looking

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for. Um they wanted really just you know
five years ago perfect where we had a

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concept plan that Utah State University
had already done and we we had something

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in motion we almost became ineligible.
Um so we didn't get it and you know you

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spill yourself when you get a grant.
>> Um yeah we'll we'll take anything. Um

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this is just a a lead we we worked off
of. Um, it is our hardest thing, right?

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That barn. Um, and it's like I told
Jess, well, I was telling everyone in

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the meeting that like if the barn wasn't
there as far as what happens in like day

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in day out, nothing changes because we
can't use the barn. Everything still

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happens. But it's that piece that's
missing that makes it feel so important.

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And so historically, it connects. That's
why the flag pole was important to us is

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because we wanted people to have their
feet on on the ground in the flag by

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because that does something to a person
and and my grandfather was a World War

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II vet and I've always had great respect
for um what his purpose was and I wanted

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I wanted to give anyone a chance who
could be in a flag of that armed um

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additionally We had some we had an event
the other night on Saturday. We had some

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people from our city who stopped by and
like we saw this place and we're like

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what is this? And it was the bar and now
they're like we this is amazing. So

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trying to keep that up is is the thing I
care so much about but it's it is the

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hardest hurdle to jump
to talk about that.

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» Yeah. That's just a I mean we had an
engineer go and look at it uh 7 8 years

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ago and that's kind of when the doors
got locked and it was restricted to you

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know pretty much staff only as needed
and the cost estimates back then were

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pretty staggering um to do much else
other than to stand it up. So when Mike

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and Roxy took over, Mike went in and did
some cable tying and did some things to

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try to stabilize it whatnot for with
what he could do. But, uh, it's just a

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matter of money, getting the money to
take care of and deciding what you

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really want to do with it. Do you want
to just keep it up in the air the way it

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00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:53,920
is, or do you want to make it into some
sort of functioning facility where maybe

405
00:44:51,839 --> 00:44:57,599
you could rent it for weddings or
gatherings or whatever? I mean, the

406
00:44:55,839 --> 00:45:02,240
sky's is the limit on what you can do.
It just depends on where how much money

407
00:44:59,359 --> 00:45:07,720
we can gather up.
Okay. It would be a shame to see all

408
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,960
just and just one more thing. I just
want to thank you all for all the effort

409
00:45:10,319 --> 00:45:18,079
you put in. My daughter participated in
the summer program and she comes home

410
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:23,359
one day and says, "Dad, I dewormed a
goat." And I'm like, that's not that was

411
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,960
not a sentence that I would have ever
expected.

412
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:34,839
But just the fact that this is an
opportunity for uh newly citizens to

413
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,839
have it's such a special thing. So just

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00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:41,240
» and thank you for all of your support
and thanks everybody.

415
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:50,599
» Are we queued up? I I have some council
has some say you want to watch the video

416
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:50,599
first.

417
00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:56,200
» There's a couple of them.

418
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,160
Okay.

419
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:22,640
thoughts.
Um,

420
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:27,119
I have to say I Savannah, I viewed the
flag field as a tractor swallow course

421
00:48:26,268 --> 00:48:33,880
[laughter]
and the kids in the wagon that were

422
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,880
getting rides really enjoyed it.

423
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:42,720
Boy, did a boy. What? I always managed
to kick the fun out of everything. How's

424
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:50,319
your 501c3 nonprofit coming along? You
guys getting that organized to operate

425
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:54,720
things? And so if if people here don't
know, the property is owned by Nibbly

426
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:59,599
City, owned by US Nibbly citizens. And
then we lease the property to a

427
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:04,680
nonprofit organization called the Morgan
Farm. I think

428
00:49:01,359 --> 00:49:04,680
» Morgan Farm,

429
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:12,160
Billy. So, so you're operating
underneath that non-toxic organization.

430
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:15,920
How's that coming along that transition
and did if it's not you don't have to

431
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:22,400
say any more than you want to?
>> I think it's coming along pretty well.

432
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:26,880
They could also speak to it. Um, we also
someone mentioned like meeting in the

433
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:34,640
summer is hard. He was already here. Um,
I found that to be true last summer. Um

434
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:38,960
it's difficult but um otherwise I mean I
think we're learning getting things put

435
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:45,359
together but it is like put together
running and um just figuring out you

436
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:50,960
know jumping through the hoops as they
they come.

437
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:57,599
» Okay. Yeah. We have found that we by
having the nonprofit I mean we're open

438
00:49:53,280 --> 00:50:01,599
to more grants um but then also we
people are more than happy to donate. So

439
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:07,440
a lot of the things that were donated
for the kids to plant um in the high

440
00:50:04,319 --> 00:50:12,640
tunnel and such that was donated by USU
on their greenhouse

441
00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:18,559
um that they have uh the name of it but
they're the one you can go buy stuff. Um

442
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:25,760
they donated all of that stuff and and
we had a garden gateway donated a bunch

443
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:30,000
of pumpkins. And so it's really really
great to have that like community

444
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:36,400
connection and people always say but
it's for the kids, right? Like that's

445
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:42,800
we're happy to do it. We try to take
that we we don't take that light. They

446
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:48,400
we want to be good.
>> Okay, perfect. Thank you. Um, one of the

447
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:53,599
things we'll come back to, Mike, is uh,
lease of the property

448
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:57,520
um, for a production. Like you said, the
Petersons don't want to arm that

449
00:50:55,359 --> 00:51:01,920
anymore. I've started that conversation
with individual council members, but

450
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:06,880
we'll bring it to an we'll bring it to a
head. We started that in light of some

451
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:11,359
other properties for council to think
about individually

452
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:15,599
um, as well, but we'll we'll bring that
to a conclusion. We we need to have that

453
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:21,040
figured out
before it's time to start paying.

454
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:25,680
» Yeah. So like by next uh February like
this coming February or something. Yeah.

455
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:31,520
So we can plan for how to irrigate it
what you know that kind of stuff gets

456
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:37,760
somebody lined up to cut it. So
>> and yeah we should make that

457
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:43,680
in time while the Petersons are still
involved to transfer some knowledge

458
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:47,760
about irrigation. Exactly. Okay. Okay.
Thank you. Anything else? You guys are

459
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:53,960
knocking that out of the park. Thank you
so much. You add a lot to our community.

460
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:53,960
Truly appreciate it.

461
00:51:54,960 --> 00:52:05,599
» Okay. Uh next we have a discussion which
will be an update on the 2600 South

462
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:11,200
sidewalk project.
Yes. [clears throat] Tom. Oh, sorry

463
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:17,599
you're jumping ahead. Um, so we'll have
Tom give us a recap of the objectives

464
00:52:14,319 --> 00:52:22,000
for that project. If if uh just as a
reminder uh how we did on achieving

465
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:28,160
those objectives, issues that may have
come up during the construction issues

466
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:32,559
that may not have been resolved yet. U
this is this is just here an update on

467
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:36,960
the project. I have flood residents of
2600 know there's been there's been a

468
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:41,599
substantial amount of correspondence
devoted to this. So, there's an

469
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:48,160
opportunity for the residents to be part
of our discussion. Um, I'm not sure if

470
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:53,200
you chose a spokesman. You didn't have
to. I suggest that or now. Um, but

471
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:57,920
that's fine. If you all want to speak,
if however you want to work it out, we

472
00:52:56,559 --> 00:53:01,200
welcome you to be part of the
discussion. We'll start with Tom to lead

473
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,400
it off.
>> I've got a couple pages of notes. I

474
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:10,319
don't know how condensed of a report
you'd like but and go through how this

475
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:14,640
project started. Came to us a request
from the principal of Nibbling Middle or

476
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:18,640
Nibbling Elementary School. She was
concerned with the kids walking on the

477
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:22,160
narrow sidewalk. They're getting out in
the mud. They're getting out in the road

478
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:26,720
on bikes trying to get around the mud
and it just she felt it was unsafe. So

479
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:31,920
went with her got some objectives.
Student sa student safety was the

480
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:36,480
primary objective. I put together some
cost estimates and we got it budgeted in

481
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:41,760
the 202526
budget here. So primary objectives as I

482
00:53:39,359 --> 00:53:46,559
said were student safety, there was
history of historic flooding, standing

483
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:52,079
water and some front yards
and the other primary objectives was to

484
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:56,720
minimize impact to property owners. Now
that doesn't eliminate the impact but is

485
00:53:54,240 --> 00:54:02,240
to minimize impact. The way that was
done was to we explored different things

486
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:07,200
on the width of the sidewalk. We didn't
want to encroach into the property lines

487
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:13,520
and the existing curbs on either end of
this lacking section. We ended up

488
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:16,720
shifting the sidewalk 10 ft on the east.
It's 10 ft wide on the east end, but

489
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:21,280
then we had to narrow it down to stay
within the ride ofway boundary on the

490
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:25,440
west side. So it it's not uniformly 10
ft. We wanted to maximize maximize the

491
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:29,200
width, but due to the property lines and
the existing

492
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:33,280
existing curb and gutter, we ended up
just kind of tapering it, shifting it

493
00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:39,680
just slightly there to keep in the right
of way. Um

494
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:46,559
Justin and I talked about other ways to
minimize impacts. One was to possibly

495
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:52,480
bring the sidewalk down at each
driveway, flatten it out, and then bring

496
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:55,920
it back up on the other side. But the
risk there was the drainage. We wouldn't

497
00:54:54,160 --> 00:55:00,160
meet the drainage mitigation and the
flooding mitigation. So, we decided,

498
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:04,720
okay, we're going to narrow the sidewalk
to four feet on the backside and and

499
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:09,280
minimize the approach
percentage on the approach. So, we we

500
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:15,200
tried to do that. And then typically a
sidewalk would be a two 2% cross slope

501
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:24,880
which would bring it up over 10 ft. It'd
be 2% so two or yeah 2 ft. So roughly

502
00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:29,839
3 4 in. So we lowered that as as far as
we could to about a one and a half% just

503
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:35,760
to minimize the height differential from
the existing. And then as we reached the

504
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:41,680
west end, we actually shifted the the
cross slope toward the properties to

505
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:46,480
minimize it even further. So all in all
from one end to the other, the grade

506
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:56,319
differential from existing to the new
grade was between 67 feet, which is

507
00:55:52,160 --> 00:56:00,799
2/3 of a foot. My math my math isn't
math. That's

508
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:10,160
» Yeah, exactly. So 67 ft on one end and
about 2 feet on the other. So 2 and 12

509
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:14,559
in to 8. Thank you. So and that's just
because the curve we had to match that

510
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:19,839
curve and and there the other things
that we did is instead of what it's

511
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:24,880
called a daylight. So where that that
sidewalk ends to where it catches. So

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00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:29,839
you have to grade back down. You don't
want a vertical cliff at the edge of the

513
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:35,440
sidewalk. to create this daylight. And
typically a standard would be 3:1. We

514
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:40,400
chose 10 to one. We tried to do it at
much slower or much more shallow slope

515
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:45,200
to so it's not so vertical. It's it's
more appeasing and it's easier to

516
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:50,799
maintain as well. So we use the American
Public Works standards, APWA, American

517
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:55,599
Public Works Association standards, and
it gives us how to design things. It

518
00:56:53,599 --> 00:57:00,480
tells us what the crossover is. that
that's the percentage change from the

519
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:05,520
crown of the road to the approach of the
driveway. It gives us the cross slope on

520
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:11,839
the sidewalk and the running slope. And
then it also gives us an acceptable

521
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:16,559
daylight from the back of the sidewalk
to tie into existing driveways that are

522
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:22,559
impacted with new construction. So these
things are are adopted by multiple

523
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:26,799
communities in Utah pretty uniformly
adopted. Other larger cities have their

524
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:30,559
own standards which would they're pretty
much based on the APWA standards but

525
00:57:28,799 --> 00:57:34,400
they they'll modify it for certain
things like water lines or specific

526
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:40,480
things that they want to do but we use
the APWA standards. So and then in so

527
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:45,680
doing we also I ask that instead of
meeting that to this to the nth degree

528
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:53,119
that we minimize it even more. For
example, the crossover slope from the

529
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:57,760
road and up to the driveways is 16%.
That's just really a big steep thing. So

530
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:03,119
I says we need to minimize that where we
can. So we got it down to like 12 13%.

531
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:08,319
And then also the the uh crossover slope
in the back and sideway to tie into

532
00:58:04,799 --> 00:58:14,960
those is up to 12% and we tried to hit
around 8 to 10% just to minimize that

533
00:58:12,799 --> 00:58:20,240
steep tie in from the back of the
sidewalk to tie to the existing

534
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:26,640
driveways.
We worked together with Justin. I I

535
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:32,480
tasked him with the public outreach to
make first contact with the the uh

536
00:58:29,359 --> 00:58:37,599
property owners. He he made his
attempts. He reported back to me and

537
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:42,319
where when we did that it's not like he
went out with nothing in his hands. We

538
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:46,160
had a 60% drawing which basically 60%
drawing is a a relative horizontal

539
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:49,760
alignment. So you can see about where
the curve is going to be, the sidewalk's

540
00:58:47,839 --> 00:58:55,200
going to be. Then you also have that
vertical element that's approximate at

541
00:58:52,319 --> 00:59:00,480
that point. But you can on that plan
that he was given, it showed the great

542
00:58:57,839 --> 00:59:04,799
differential at each driveway. So he was
able to present that to the people that

543
00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:10,640
he met with and they can visualize and
and measure out what 67 ft is.

544
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:15,440
After he gave me the green light to go,
we finished the plans and we went to

545
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:19,280
bid. We started construction right after
school got out. I gave a a wide window

546
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:24,640
of construction because I wanted some
pretty good pricing to just get cheaper

547
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:29,680
pricing from the developer from a
contractor, but they decided to get

548
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:35,280
right on it. I gave them till September
15th to clean everything up like any

549
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:39,440
last minute landscaping or signs or
something like that. So, they're still

550
00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:44,079
within their contractual window, but
they they've uh done just about

551
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:48,559
everything. They're they're missing the
flashing stop sign that was specked out

552
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,520
on
8ighth West.

553
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:55,280
For some reason, that's really
backorded, but they're hoping to get it

554
00:59:53,440 --> 01:00:02,280
by Tuesday. I just got a report this
this afternoon. They're hoping to get it

555
00:59:56,559 --> 01:00:02,280
Tuesday. And then, let's see.

556
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:11,680
I want to talk about some other public
outreach that we did. There was at least

557
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:16,000
three door hangers posted by a city
staff and I knocked on every one of the

558
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:19,359
doors. That was about a week before the
construction that says a

559
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:23,440
pre-construction notice. This thing's
coming. Following up on Justin's

560
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:28,079
meetings. Then there was another one in
June from the contractor that says,

561
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:33,280
"Hey, we're going to be placing curb.
Please park over at the the park parking

562
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:37,599
lot across the way." And then we did a
landscape flyer on June 30th that says,

563
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:41,359
"Hey, this is a bad time to do
landscaping. We know this, but we want

564
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:46,400
this landscaping to survive. So, we're
going to give you a $100 credit on your

565
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:51,200
water bill to keep it alive." And they
finished that up around

566
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:56,640
July, the first week of July, the
hottest week. And uh the landscape

567
01:00:55,119 --> 01:01:00,720
contractor
fabricated all these sprinklers for

568
01:00:58,799 --> 01:01:04,640
everybody. and all they had to do was
connect their hose and turn it on and

569
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:10,559
then then it gave pretty good coverage
for it. So by the first second week of

570
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:15,040
July all the landscaping was done. So
I'm going to back up to once the heart

571
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:18,240
surfaces were complete couple days after
the driveways were done all the sidewalk

572
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:21,920
was done by this time the curb and
gutter and all the pading was done. We

573
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:26,160
did a walk through we found one of the
driveways was out of spec. And when I

574
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:31,760
when I say out of spec,
what happened was they they put it in

575
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:36,720
and when they when we started measuring
up, they had an actual belly in it and

576
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:42,000
they tried to fix it in the field by
taking a weed burner, heating up the

577
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:46,640
asphalt and using rakes and scraping it
and trying to use shovels to try to get

578
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:52,079
it to slope in the direction that the
plan showed. And in so doing, instead of

579
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:56,960
a good transition, there was like
picture taking a pipe and cutting it in

580
01:01:54,559 --> 01:02:02,640
half. So it went down and then this
little belly curve and then went back up

581
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:05,520
and says that that wasn't the intent. So
when we said, "Hey, this needs to be

582
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:09,359
replaced." I said, "Well, that's really
a tight tolerance." They asked if they

583
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:14,079
could take out some more side or some
more of the driveway so we can have a

584
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:18,000
easier tolerance to get that cross slope
to get it to drain into the grass. And

585
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:24,240
we agreed to that. finally split some
cost and and taken out a little bit

586
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:30,880
more. They did replace that. I
don't have my notes on there. It's

587
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:35,520
probably the end of July, probably 22nd,
23rdish, and then it took him another

588
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:41,839
week or so to get back there to restore
the max where they've done that as well.

589
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:45,920
So, I mentioned that it's we tried to
minimize the impacts, but it's not

590
01:02:44,319 --> 01:02:50,160
impact free. Whenever you have these
great differentials, we have to figure

591
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:55,520
out what to do with driveways.
And in this case, with it being higher,

592
01:02:53,359 --> 01:03:00,079
we ended up having to dish these and
follow our American Public Works

593
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:06,400
Association standards and try to direct
the drainage into a grassy or landscaped

594
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:12,559
area. Now, I did some research on the
soils that are in the area, and it it

595
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:17,359
when it gets wet, all everything runs
down and puddles and pools, and then it

596
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:23,599
pushes off into these landscape areas,
and it should be drying up or

597
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:28,079
percolating at about a half an inch per
hour. So, if we get two inches of rain,

598
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:33,440
it's going to be four hours of puddling.
It should dissipate and percolate in the

599
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:37,520
ground according to the the research I
did. and and ran some numbers on the

600
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:41,920
percolation rates that after every
rainstorm there there's going to be some

601
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:47,119
some standing water and it should
dissipate and and saturated ground. So a

602
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:52,240
a question was posed early on when
there's some a ball of emails running

603
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:57,680
back and forth that know is this legal
to do that? You've checked with our city

604
01:03:54,160 --> 01:04:03,359
attorney at this at that time and it is
it is an allowable practice to change

605
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:08,440
the grade on the road and have a
homeowner maintain their own swarm.

606
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:15,280
I hope I haven't missed anything. If you
have any specific questions, I'd be glad

607
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:20,960
to answer them now. Okay. As of now,
again, what's missing is the the stop

608
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:26,480
sign. I didn't mention any parking
potentially, but

609
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:31,280
at one point during the design and and
bidding, we we like, "Hey, why do we

610
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:36,079
restrict parking
there? Why do we say, hey, all your kids

611
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:40,240
are at school,
but don't pick them up there. Go

612
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:45,039
somewhere else to pick them up."
And question, well, is it dangerous? Is

613
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:49,119
it congestion? Is it is it dangerous to
kids because they're running out? And we

614
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:54,079
says, "Well, let's try without it. Let's
let's say let's allow the parking a

615
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:58,720
pickup and drop off along here. It's on
the same side of the road as the kids

616
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:03,920
are getting out of school. They people
could park there, pick up their kid, and

617
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:08,079
take off. Um on the first day of school,
I was out there in the afternoon, which

618
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:13,599
is the most concentrated.
It was 7 minutes from the time kids

619
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:17,920
started walking down the sidewalk to the
time that that [clears throat] sidewalk

620
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:22,079
was cleared." And in that that after
seven minutes there was one car still

621
01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:27,200
parked there and it was actually the
crossing guard's car. So she had to stay

622
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:30,599
there another 15 to get people out
there. So

623
01:05:31,119 --> 01:05:37,680
» any other questions?
>> We'll just let the conversation move

624
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:42,079
along. Any last questions now? Council
>> Justin, do you have Sorry. Randy, do you

625
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:46,880
have something to ask?
Um well maybe if I had water pulling on

626
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:52,960
me grass I would probably install a
drain myself. I would do that if you get

627
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:58,559
some gravel and I just see it you know I
would do that. Is the city willing to

628
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:02,799
where there is water standing any amount
of time are they willing to put a small

629
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:07,359
drain in and dig down some gravel so
that it just goes down or is that

630
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:10,240
something on the table or or not? I
wasn't part of that discussion, but I

631
01:06:08,799 --> 01:06:14,240
think that was actually specifically
mentioned something that they call it a

632
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:20,720
sump where we could come back and and
and dig a gravel area that the water

633
01:06:17,839 --> 01:06:26,000
could saturate into immediately and then
dissipate into the ground rather than

634
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:31,520
being standing for the two hours that it
might be in the in the calculations that

635
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:35,520
are
>> Okay. And it gives me maybe the second

636
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:39,480
thought is I was just curious um no me
and I the drive

637
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:49,599
realize I'd be raised up most every time
you see a home with the driveway we

638
01:06:45,359 --> 01:06:55,280
always wor slow but they just good right
we did that was there any conversation

639
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:58,160
with the residents about maybe saying
we're going to have to put a little

640
01:06:56,240 --> 01:07:02,000
asphalt in here to kind of smooth it so
it's not so sloping

641
01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:05,359
if I can use that
conserve.

642
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:10,720
Was there any conversation of saying
this could be expensive, but if we're

643
01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:14,000
here to do a new driveway,
they would, [clears throat] you know,

644
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:17,760
fork out most of the bill on that. Was
there a conversation with the residents

645
01:07:15,359 --> 01:07:22,400
to see if you want to put in a new
driveway that would actually have a

646
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:26,319
small slope to the road that would look
like most of the drive?

647
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:30,000
» So, there was one homeowner that did
reach out to the contractor on site and

648
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:36,480
they did get a price for it. I believe
it was somewhere in the $4,400 range,

649
01:07:32,799 --> 01:07:40,039
$4,500 range. They they chose not to
employ the contractor.

650
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:45,319
» Okay. Thank you.

651
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:55,440
» Uh affected parties, uh our only ask is
that you tell us identify yourselves.

652
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:59,280
You can pass that mic around. You can do
that. The second ask is that you speak

653
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:01,760
into the microphone.
stay here.

654
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:07,440
» You can sit there and pass that
microphone around if you'd like.

655
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:13,799
» So, I'll just maybe go first. I didn't I
apologize. I have to

656
01:08:10,799 --> 01:08:13,799
u

657
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:21,040
» um I think our [clears throat] biggest
thing is to just make sure that

658
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:23,520
» please please speak directly to Thank
you.

659
01:08:21,839 --> 01:08:28,000
» You know, we we tried to do a lot of
work on the back end before this to get

660
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:33,759
the information and our perspective. We
do feel like we have pretty unique

661
01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:38,880
perspective and input on all this. Um,
but just a couple of points. Um, I would

662
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:44,640
say on the outreach that Tom mentioned,
I think a lot of that was more like the

663
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:49,759
execution of the plan. I would say that
that was maybe because

664
01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:56,159
did realize what the plans were going to
entail as it relates to the driveway and

665
01:08:53,040 --> 01:09:01,279
the impacts there and those things. So I
think that was one challenge that we

666
01:08:57,679 --> 01:09:05,679
had. Um I think going forward what we're
trying to understand is you know we it

667
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:11,759
wasn't ideal I think for all of us as
home owners to have this dip in our

668
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:17,920
driveway. Um but we did get promise from
the city that things would be made

669
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:23,120
right. Um and so we're just trying to um
monitor a few things going forward. So,

670
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:28,799
we do have concerns that there will be
some pooling in the driveway still in

671
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:32,400
some of the driveways. Our driveway is
pretty good with a thin layer that

672
01:09:30,799 --> 01:09:37,839
remains, but right now it's been
evaporating. Um, but we do we've seen

673
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:43,359
some of the other driveways definitely
fully in the driveway as well in the

674
01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:46,640
grass. So there's some concerns there
and we just don't want some kind of

675
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:50,520
statute of limitation on this to run
where we say oh

676
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:56,719
make that work. Okay. So we're just
trying to get on the same page there. Um

677
01:09:54,719 --> 01:10:00,040
and where's that little you know we
worry that

678
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:13,120
um I have three or four other points
that I c I need to go through those.

679
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:18,320
Tom, you mentioned the the Steines. We
do have a perspective there. I think it

680
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:22,719
takes typically much longer than that
was the timed

681
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:28,320
run there. We are concerned just about
safety, our ability to back out. It

682
01:10:25,199 --> 01:10:33,760
causes a major challenge for my wife in
that time. Uh as well as safety, trying

683
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:39,280
to get into the driveway. You can't see
and who knows kids are running or have

684
01:10:35,679 --> 01:10:43,600
their bikes and there could be a there.
Um,

685
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:49,520
so anyways, I I will vouch that Justin
did uh tell us that they would do it

686
01:10:47,679 --> 01:10:53,840
like a drain, you know, if things aren't
draining well in the grass. So, we're

687
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:56,800
appreciative of that. I don't think any
of that's been done to any of the

688
01:10:55,199 --> 01:11:01,920
properties yet, but that would be
something that we would be interested in

689
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:09,239
request if we identified like there's
one homeowner that they definitely have

690
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:09,239
like in their grass area. It's

691
01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:15,880
there. So anyways, those are kind of my
two cents.

692
01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:23,120
» Sir, can I get your name, please?
>> Your name.

693
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:28,199
» Your name.
>> Oh, sorry, Rich.

694
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,199
» Thank you.

695
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:35,360
» Um, my name is Nik and I just wanted to
add a couple things. Um why we weren't

696
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:41,520
[clears throat] aware of this project
until started and that caused some

697
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:47,679
feelings and distress.
Um [clears throat]

698
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:54,000
we're at where we're at right now. Um we
are having on our driveway and the water

699
01:11:51,679 --> 01:11:59,119
is running into our grass and John will
talk a little more about that here in

700
01:11:56,239 --> 01:12:04,320
just a minute. um we're not
[clears throat] always home when the

701
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:09,440
students are coming and going. So I
asked my daughter-in-law today um she

702
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:14,719
observed as she's in her heart and she's
expressing the same concern as Amanda

703
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:19,600
has been seeing in that it is extremely
difficult to see students coming from

704
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:26,719
the school. It's extremely difficult to
see cars coming um with the cars parked

705
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:31,870
on the side of the road right there. And
um they had a back to school night

706
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:35,840
tonight and I was coming from
[clears throat] from the east and we are

707
01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:40,080
at the first house right next to the
school and [clears throat]

708
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:46,400
somebody pulled out in front of me at
stop sign. Um can't think of the street

709
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:53,120
name but it's on the the most eastern
part. There's just so much going on with

710
01:12:50,239 --> 01:13:00,159
cars parked and people moving and
bicycles and um we've seen an increase

711
01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:04,000
in speed and what scooters bikes are
going down there when I'm backing up you

712
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:09,040
know the day you go to work there was
one coming

713
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:14,000
scooter coming rapidly and I mean I had
plenty of time to get out but I think

714
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:16,960
sometimes what if he wasn't further I
mean I just don't know I've had kids in

715
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:22,960
the
stand behind my vehicle when I'm trying

716
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:28,560
to back up. I've had kids try to race me
um as I'm trying to back out. So, it is

717
01:13:26,719 --> 01:13:34,000
a safety
um not being able to see. Um Ashlin

718
01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:37,920
specifically mentioned that she was
having a hard time seeing as she's

719
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:45,280
coming out of the driveway anything
going oops a telephone pole there and um

720
01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:51,199
some things like that. And I wish our
class card would stop traffic so I can

721
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:55,520
back out when we have to go to work.
>> Yeah. Do you mind if I ask questions as

722
01:13:53,440 --> 01:14:00,320
we go along? Thank you for offering
that. Um I'm you mentioned back to

723
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:05,040
school night and then we've also talked
about pickup and drop off. Are you

724
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:09,760
advocating for no parking on that road
whatsoever to eliminate those problems

725
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:15,440
or are you saying no pickup and drop
off? So, um, until I talked to Ashlin, I

726
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:16,719
» Who's Ashel?
>> My daughter.

727
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:24,920
» Okay. Okay.
>> I have grandkid

728
01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:24,920
and she parks in my driveway for

729
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:32,320
so I asked for her experience and before
then I was like, I haven't experienced

730
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:40,320
this problem. But to hear her say what
she experiences every day um for the

731
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:44,719
last several years um I feel there is a
need for parking where there no parking

732
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:47,440
» no parking at all along the street.
>> No parking during school hours

733
01:14:46,719 --> 01:14:52,400
especially
>> during pickup and drop off or all the

734
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:55,840
time during school hours.
>> Okay.

735
01:14:54,000 --> 01:15:00,880
They're sort of problems during school
hours. You see some congestion with

736
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:05,840
soccer games and baseball games and
stuff. Um it's it's just a narrow road

737
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:13,760
and since we've lived there they've
widened it twice and it just seems to

738
01:15:09,679 --> 01:15:19,440
this wide sidewalk which is nice has
impacted some of the traffic coming and

739
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:24,960
going in. the other day. I was astounded
at how far back the traffic was backed

740
01:15:22,719 --> 01:15:29,280
up and from the stop sign into our
house. I

741
01:15:26,239 --> 01:15:35,760
» So, so let me ask about that. Does is it
the compounding effects of

742
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:39,199
parking
on that road or is it the traffic that's

743
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:44,080
backed up?
>> It's two separate issues. The the

744
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:49,840
traffic and see I'm not there most of
the day. I leave for work at 20 after 8.

745
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:55,280
Sometimes with staff meaning I have to
leave at 7:30. Um and I'm not leaving

746
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:59,040
till 7 night. So I'm not seeing all the
traffic congestion that others are

747
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:03,280
seeing. But the other day I did I looked
out my window. What the heck was going

748
01:16:00,719 --> 01:16:09,920
on out there and opened the door and
there were cars back uh um past my house

749
01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:15,040
trying to get through the stop sign on
8. And my understanding is some of that

750
01:16:13,679 --> 01:16:18,800
I mean it's always been there a little
bit but it's worse this year and I

751
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:23,040
believe it's because parents are just
trying to get their kids to the new

752
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:29,199
middle school and there's some extra
circumstances there's no busing um so

753
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:33,280
parents are moving at that time of day
and it seems to be going stretching

754
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:37,199
further into the day and then when the
kids are using the sidewalks I have

755
01:16:35,199 --> 01:16:41,280
observed this on a few days I'm home
they're um

756
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:43,520
not as actually because we're only 3
days into school 4 days.

757
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:49,280
» Okay. But
>> so I I just want to be clear that

758
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:54,239
» parking or no parking during pickup and
drop off is a different issue than cars

759
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:57,760
backing up in the lane of traffic.
>> Well,

760
01:16:54,719 --> 01:17:01,760
» on 2600 South Tra
and Rick might be addressing this

761
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:07,440
experience.
>> She's leaving she's leaving during those

762
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:12,239
hours of pick up and drop off. So is it
is it fair to summarize? So that the the

763
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:18,719
pickup and drop off issue and rightfully
rightfully so is well stated. It's a

764
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:21,360
it's a what can I see on the sidewalk
>> while parked or parked on the road. Is

765
01:17:20,719 --> 01:17:26,320
that correct?
>> That's the challenge is

766
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:30,800
» um to be to be able to back out of our
driveway. You've got cars parked all

767
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:34,800
along there. get happening straight
before I [clears throat] can even see

768
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:40,480
» and you know it's just not a good
situation with my with my kids that are

769
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:45,199
starting to drive online
mentioned it before but coming into our

770
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:50,239
driveway if you've got cars there then
you can't see kids that might be

771
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:56,760
» yeah it's a sight issue it's a sight
safety issue it's

772
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:56,760
» we get that there's I think be Okay.

773
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:02,880
School.
>> Okay. No, there there is traffic there

774
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:05,520
when there's gangs at the park and thing
that we work through, you know, we

775
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:13,000
figure it out.
>> Okay. That helps me very much.

776
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:13,000
» When my kids,

777
01:18:13,679 --> 01:18:21,120
there was a specific pattern uh where
those kids should be going. And the plan

778
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:27,199
last I heard was they cross the street
with a crossing guard and then they go

779
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:32,640
to pickup at Elorn Park and that is not
happening much of this.

780
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:36,719
» Okay, we can uh we can talk about
Principal King is at back to school

781
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:41,280
night as you know but that's a followup
for us as well. I want to make sure I'm

782
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:46,880
making a list of uh things to follow up
on. Not necessarily salt tonight, but

783
01:18:43,679 --> 01:18:51,760
the sumps to absorb
as Randy mentioned to to absorb dry

784
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:56,960
water.
Okay,

785
01:18:54,400 --> 01:19:00,120
sir. Jim Wilkins losing my voice a
little bit

786
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:09,760
first
school. Um, I am there at between

787
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:14,080
sometimes 12:30 or 2:30, 2:30. So, I see
it just about every [clears throat] day

788
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:19,679
that I go leaving somewhere else.
Um,

789
01:19:15,679 --> 01:19:23,679
and the kids, they trickle out, then it
gets real heavy, then they, you know,

790
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:27,920
blow trickle again. And it happens
pretty I would I would say a little bit

791
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:32,800
longer than seven minutes but I don't I
don't know why I have the number time

792
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:39,360
just seemed like maybe bit long but 710
you know it's the same thing. Um there

793
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:44,159
are kids walking a lot of kids walking a
lot of kids riding bikes and they're

794
01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:48,960
staying on the on the sidewalk going
three four times as fast as the kids

795
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:55,120
that are walking and that is a safety
issue there.

796
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:59,040
Yeah, the kids the kids on scooters and
bikes should be walking along that

797
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:05,199
stretch. They should not be riding their
scooters, electric scooters, their

798
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:10,239
ebikes, and everything else that we
they're going fast. I don't know if you

799
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:17,719
noticed that, but they they are moving
it two times this week, but that's the

800
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:17,719
way it always has been. Um,

801
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:25,360
as [clears throat] far as getting
notified about this project, first thing

802
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:30,679
I saw was 6 days before it uh to take
place to get to start on it and and

803
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:36,280
we

804
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:43,360
go ahead.
>> We we couldn't hear Mrs. Spoken. I I

805
01:20:41,199 --> 01:20:50,330
don't remember the
I remember meeting one or two I I read

806
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:53,679
for God and he went on the
[clears throat] first one of the ones

807
01:20:51,280 --> 01:21:00,239
that I did remember because it was it
was

808
01:20:55,520 --> 01:21:05,040
um standing to me was that uh it said
that every we we knocked on every door

809
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:11,291
and talked to every resident about this
project and we had not been talked to by

810
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:18,080
anybody. that was new to me. So,
[clears throat] um, we didn't we didn't

811
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:21,080
get notified of it. We weren't of it.
Um,

812
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:30,560
so my driveway is at least almost twice
as wide as as the others. I I didn't

813
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:37,199
measure anything, but it's it's the
double double driveway. And uh we had a

814
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:43,920
storm this last week. It was incredible
storm. lots of lots of wind and rain. It

815
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:50,320
came down really hard in sheets and uh
we saw what a heavy rainstorm would do

816
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:55,600
to the drainage and to to water coming
down to that area. Um it puddled. It was

817
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:59,120
a big puddle. It did run off pretty
quick. They didn't get out there in time

818
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:03,679
either, but in the morning there were
there were weren't big puddles, so it

819
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:08,960
did its job and drained off. But there
was an area about three to five three to

820
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:14,639
four or five feet out in the yard that
was total muddy. Total muddy squish.

821
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:18,239
» It was standing water or it was
squishless.

822
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:23,639
» Squishy squish or step bottom.
>> Okay.

823
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,639
» I didn't I didn't.

824
01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:33,760
» It was what I thought would happen in
this kind of situation. If that storm

825
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:38,480
wouldn't go on for another hour,
who knows what the yard out in the

826
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:43,679
middle,
that was a good test. Um the other the

827
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:48,080
other ones we had have been very small
and didn't really give us an idea what

828
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:55,280
it would look like. But we hope we're
going to get more water. We need it. We

829
01:22:50,960 --> 01:23:00,000
need it. But uh going into my yard is
it's not a good solution. without some

830
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:03,679
kind of a drain. We are open to that
drain. Okay. But I want to have I don't

831
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:08,239
want to have somebody just come out to
my door and put something in and say,

832
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:12,800
"Oh, by the way, here's sign. We put we
put a drain in." I'd like to have a

833
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:17,840
discussion on that.
So I know what's happening. Give input.

834
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:24,239
Say I don't think that's enough, you
know, be part of that team. I can't say

835
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:28,159
that everybody is. I have heard that
some are engaged in that as well.

836
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:37,920
One more thing. Um, this has come up
several times. I know that um when this

837
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:44,960
project started um and we were talking
to um Justin and um he he made a comment

838
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:49,760
he thought the city was plowing that
side about him. As residents we have

839
01:23:47,199 --> 01:23:56,960
always that sidewalk and now with it
much wider we want to know whose

840
01:23:53,679 --> 01:24:03,120
responsibility it is to that sidewalk.
Um we

841
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:08,400
often aren't told as we've already said
to file a sidewalk and it's much larger.

842
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:12,320
Um there was some talk that the city may
be responsible to do that now in the

843
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:17,280
future as well as the school district
but we just need a clear definition of

844
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:20,280
who's who is going to be responsible for
that.

845
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:25,760
» Okay. I don't have an answer.
[clears throat] Well, I did talk to

846
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:29,679
somebody here in this whole process and
it seems like they had a little piece of

847
01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:34,000
paper in their hand says these are the
these are the sidewalks that the city's

848
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:40,159
taking care of right now. And if I
remember correctly, it was this the

849
01:24:36,719 --> 01:24:44,719
sidewalks along Highway where nobody
lives. There's no cars and they they

850
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:51,840
take care of that. Um
the the school has has for years taken

851
01:24:49,199 --> 01:24:59,280
care of if they get up if I get up early
I If they get up earlier, they not all

852
01:24:55,440 --> 01:25:05,600
of it quite a bit. It's much smaller
then than it is now. So, I don't know

853
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:10,320
what they let anything. Um,
do you have any input on that, Justin?

854
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:12,800
We just need to talk to the principal.
>> Yeah, we'll need to talk to the

855
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:16,159
principal. It's a great question that we
need definitely need to figure out and

856
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:19,360
iron out. Um, when I was out there
speaking with the Wilkins, I just

857
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:23,360
couldn't remember. We do have a map.
It's It is online, right? posted online.

858
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:26,960
Our sidewalk map
>> online

859
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:33,360
» I believe so in our like snow
information page. Typically we do clear

860
01:25:30,719 --> 01:25:38,239
quite a bit of sidewalks. It is pretty
taxing on staff, but we do clear those

861
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:41,920
sidewalks. We have a priority just to
give you an idea. You obviously we start

862
01:25:40,239 --> 01:25:44,960
with the priority streets, the big ones,
the ones that are heavily trafficked and

863
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:50,080
then we move into neighborhoods and then
we move into culde-sacs and our fourth

864
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:53,199
priority is sidewalks that we do get to.
So oftent times it does take us a while

865
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:57,280
to get to them, especially on big
storms. But um we're happy to have that

866
01:25:55,920 --> 01:26:01,920
discussion with the with the school
district and with you all to figure out

867
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:08,800
and and certainly public works because
uh it's it it's a big deal and we put a

868
01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:13,679
lot of time and uh a lot of effort into
cleaning those sidewalks and it's

869
01:26:10,239 --> 01:26:17,120
getting bigger and bigger every year
that people expect and want those

870
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:21,920
sidewalks to clean. So once you've done
it once, it's hard to quit. And so

871
01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:26,080
that's what we're faced with now is just
continuing that and um you know keeping

872
01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:32,840
control of it but also making sure you
guys understand what that means and what

873
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:32,840
that takes for staff to do.

874
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:41,440
We we've never taken the pros we're
going to wait for them. There's some

875
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:46,000
days we just couldn't get out. They
they've done it. It's not 50/50. It's

876
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:49,000
probably
6040.

877
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:58,320
Um, I want to talk to the the gentleman
who does that though. He's got a 4Runner

878
01:26:53,920 --> 01:27:03,199
and a fourwheeler and a blade. And um,
quite often he's he's pushed the snow

879
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:08,960
off into the grass and hoping, you know,
pushed the grass back to I've never got

880
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:15,320
over there and got mad at anybody. But
I might want to talk to them and say,

881
01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:15,320
"Please don't do that.

882
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:26,520
We just want to be a part of what's
happening on our property moving

883
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:26,520
forward. We just want to be a part.

884
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:35,120
So I just want one other thing on the
snow. I go to work sometimes where I

885
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:39,920
punch it in at 4:35 a.m. I'm not going
to get out there before before that time

886
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:45,679
and do any snow work. So that when I
come home at about 12 or 1:00

887
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:50,880
melted so I don't have to do it. There
was some there still at that time I

888
01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:55,360
remember getting still blown out. Um
that's well beyond the time the kids

889
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:59,600
were going to eat. So doesn't do a whole
lot of good for that.

890
01:27:57,440 --> 01:28:04,719
Um,
this might be a little controversial,

891
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:09,600
but I'm going to say it. [snorts] And
and I I don't speak for anybody

892
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:16,320
down the road heard that there are
comments about this. And I I understand

893
01:28:12,159 --> 01:28:21,719
that Amanda Arnell Senate 5H do I know
what was in that if she addressed this

894
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:21,719
at all, but

895
01:28:22,239 --> 01:28:31,840
we uh Vicki and I and sure who else we
believe that this solution took away

896
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:38,239
from the problem.
Um, we had we had a drain to the the

897
01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:45,440
sidewalk into the burl was there for 35
years and that was taken away from us.

898
01:28:42,639 --> 01:28:51,199
Liability was was in the street and on
the sideline for all those years. There

899
01:28:48,719 --> 01:28:58,800
have been several occasions where kids
have slipped and fallen and gotten hurt

900
01:28:55,199 --> 01:29:04,719
and it wasn't with us. has another
another family and the parents

901
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:12,159
threatened to sue. So that's not that's
not beyond the reason of happening now.

902
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:19,199
But the slippery part is also going to
be an army down where the liability is

903
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:21,920
of course and we're happy about that. We
would [clears throat] love to see the

904
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:29,360
city take that. You're not going to I
know asked you but it is there and

905
01:29:25,822 --> 01:29:35,440
[clears throat] we're aware of it and uh
you stay aware of this problem.

906
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:40,560
We think that we've
been something has been taken away from

907
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:45,760
us and the city has made no effort or
desire or even said that they're not

908
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:54,320
going to give that back to us which is
the slope to the sidewalk and to the

909
01:29:52,080 --> 01:30:00,480
that's what we feel that we need to be
made whole through this project. We the

910
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:06,400
city has stated that
I think that's all.

911
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:11,120
Okay. Thank you. Thank you for sharing.
Um council, this is a this is a spot

912
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:15,760
where I feel like I need to work on my
relationship with you.

913
01:30:13,679 --> 01:30:21,040
Um,
I believe you, it was reported to me

914
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:28,320
that I got a copy of what was an email
to you where I was quoted as saying that

915
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:34,320
on a visit to this neighborhood. I
promised that if there were any negative

916
01:30:30,639 --> 01:30:38,639
impacts to the residents property after
the project that they would be made

917
01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:44,080
right by the city
and I think we referenced that tonight.

918
01:30:41,440 --> 01:30:48,719
um as is that statement oversteps my
authority.

919
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:53,760
Uh that authority belongs to the council
and I chose my words carefully that

920
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:59,199
night during the visit to avoid claiming
authority that is not mine.

921
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:05,520
And the correct reference which I wrote
down as soon as I left the meeting so

922
01:31:02,159 --> 01:31:09,840
that I would be sure to have it right is
that

923
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:14,400
I promised that if there were
unreasonable

924
01:31:11,440 --> 01:31:19,760
that's the new word that's the qualifier
negative impacts to the resident's

925
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:26,239
property after the project they would be
made right by the city by the city with

926
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:31,520
appropriate mitigation.
So, you know, I'm a me a member of

927
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:35,679
council. I'm a non- voting member. I'm h
I I'm I'm I'm happy to be part of this

928
01:31:34,159 --> 01:31:39,679
conversation
uh in the discussion, but I want you to

929
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:44,320
know that I think it's important to
clear that up that I did not step in

930
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:49,600
front of your authority
and I did not make promises that you all

931
01:31:47,440 --> 01:31:54,719
have to I did not write a check that you
all have to sign

932
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:59,159
because of those qualifiers.
With that, I'll turn it to you.

933
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:10,400
» Um, I feel like uh the information has
been good. The discussion like there's

934
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:16,560
been a lot before this meeting as well.
Um, I don't know necessarily if we have

935
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:21,600
objectives with tonight's meeting been
kind of a catchup. Um, but I think there

936
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:27,120
are some step marching orders that you
know that we've got. So, I don't Is

937
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:31,920
there another objective that staff or
the citizens maybe would like out of

938
01:32:29,679 --> 01:32:36,639
tonight before we
There's [clears throat]

939
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:42,320
» I'm just going to say um we're not all
here tonight. Not everybody can be here.

940
01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:48,880
So, if there's a time when everybody
could get together and talk, I know that

941
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:54,080
would um make some of the others who
have a vested interest in this um it

942
01:32:52,400 --> 01:33:01,760
would come forward and list their
thoughts and concerns that can't happen

943
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:07,199
tonight because not everyone
>> and that can happen willy-nilly with the

944
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:12,400
council because the Utah Open Public
Meetings Act requires that we do the

945
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:16,400
public's business in public and so if we
assemble a quorum this is this is great

946
01:33:14,639 --> 01:33:21,360
legislation I think you would prefer
that we not get together behind closed

947
01:33:18,239 --> 01:33:26,560
doors and burn ourselves so so uh just
to finish just to finish so if we as

948
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:30,800
these guys know this if we assemble a
quorum of the council so everybody can

949
01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:36,080
get together let me know so we can get
it properly noticed and get it get it on

950
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:40,000
uh uh on the Utah public notice website
and we can get minutes taken

951
01:33:41,929 --> 01:33:49,040
» [clears throat]
>> everyone

952
01:33:44,639 --> 01:33:52,960
talking because many years ago there was
that happened

953
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:57,040
behind closed doors that shouldn't have
and that was the way to handle the

954
01:33:55,440 --> 01:34:02,199
situation.
So we wanted to move forward and

955
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:13,480
and all be on the same page. I will I
raised my family here.

956
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:13,480
I love the hard.

957
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:21,880
I have still in here.

958
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:32,880
And this has been hard
to not have a voice.

959
01:34:29,679 --> 01:34:37,440
And because of what happened years ago,
I came to believe that I don't know the

960
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:42,840
voice.
I would like to

961
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,840
change.

962
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:53,520
So my intent to answer your question is
I think we have uh some

963
01:34:51,679 --> 01:34:57,280
what of a punch list. We we need to
think about

964
01:34:55,280 --> 01:35:03,520
uh no parking during pickup and drop
off. We need to think about uh snow plow

965
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:10,800
um renewable removal. We need to think
about the the risk of bicycles and scoot

966
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:15,280
and motorized scooters on sidewalks.
That's a problem we have to solve

967
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:20,880
throughout the city. So, welcome
uh I'm not being sarcastic. Welcome to

968
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:27,840
that conversation. We need to figure out
how to how to keep 25 20 mph electric

969
01:35:24,719 --> 01:35:31,199
scooters off. I I have I have
pedestrians tell me they walk in the

970
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:36,840
street because they don't feel safe on
the sidewalk because of these other

971
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:36,840
transportations.

972
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:43,360
Um and so
that's that's that's what I've got for a

973
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:46,880
bunch of
>> Can I just explain the sump every so

974
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:51,040
we're all on the same page? So typically
when we've had this issue that the idea

975
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:54,880
of the sump is to infiltrate the water
faster. So typically if there's tighter

976
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:59,360
soils you'll have a puddle for longer.
So, when we've had that happen in areas

977
01:35:57,199 --> 01:36:02,960
around town where we've conducted
streetside swells and things like that,

978
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:08,560
what we'll do is we'll take a back truck
and we'll go to the property. We'll cut

979
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:12,719
out a 2x two sizeish
piece of grass. We'll set that to the

980
01:36:10,719 --> 01:36:16,800
side. We'll take the vac tube and we
will suck down four or five feet maybe

981
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:22,159
you know a foot foot and a half in
diameter or so fill that back up with

982
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:26,080
pearavevel put four or five inches of
top soil on top of that and put the

983
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:30,000
grass back on top of it and that that's
what we have you know considered to be a

984
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:36,400
sump and have found success in
eliminating undesirable puddles in the

985
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:40,400
past. So that's what I've offered to uh
anybody if we were to have this problem.

986
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:44,400
And we we that takes that's very minimal
cost. That's very you know we could do

987
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:49,440
all of them probably in an afternoon if
we needed to. Um but it's also on their

988
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:51,920
property and if if if people want that I
would appreciate, you know, they just

989
01:36:50,480 --> 01:36:56,960
they just got to communicate to us, tell
us and and we can make that happen. Um I

990
01:36:55,040 --> 01:37:02,159
don't know that doesn't need to be a big
city council or deal. We can do that.

991
01:37:00,639 --> 01:37:06,639
So if someone wants to come to
>> be clear the city can do that.

992
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:10,400
» Yeah. Yeah. We'll take the citizens
expense not the citizens all of the

993
01:37:09,119 --> 01:37:13,400
citizens expense.
>> Correct.

994
01:37:14,159 --> 01:37:23,199
Question I have some
water table

995
01:37:20,639 --> 01:37:29,600
being 40 in.
I mean, is that sufficient

996
01:37:26,719 --> 01:37:35,040
to do something still like a trained
pulling anyway or does that need to be

997
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:40,719
somehow or connected to the storm drain
or I'm just I looked at that and that's

998
01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:45,360
my my concern with some is the water
table low enough that actually work.

999
01:37:43,679 --> 01:37:48,400
» Yeah. So
>> yeah, Tom already talked about soil

1000
01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:56,000
types and
>> Yeah. And then we did install the drain

1001
01:37:50,400 --> 01:38:00,560
and that drain we we excavated probably
three and a half feet. So and we didn't

1002
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:05,360
run in any water. It's kind of that lomy
soil and it infiltrates rather quickly.

1003
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:09,360
It's about a half inch per per hour.
>> Okay. So even this this what he's

1004
01:38:07,679 --> 01:38:13,360
describing, you're still going to get
ponding because it's got to make it

1005
01:38:10,639 --> 01:38:17,360
through that first 6 in of the top soil
which is more clay, but then it'll hit

1006
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:21,600
this and then it'll provide an area
storage and it'll just gradually

1007
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:26,880
infiltrate out into that only sort of.
So I I don't think that the groundwater

1008
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:31,520
would be a big issue. And most of these
locations where they they're directed

1009
01:38:28,719 --> 01:38:37,280
into the landscaped area, they're very
far away from the the homes. It's not

1010
01:38:34,480 --> 01:38:41,840
like right next to the home. It's These
things are maybe within 8 to 10 ft of

1011
01:38:40,239 --> 01:38:47,040
where the sidewalk is.
>> Okay. Thanks. Question.

1012
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:51,760
» Go ahead. [clears throat]
>> What was I going to say?

1013
01:38:49,199 --> 01:38:56,719
Um speak into the mic, please.
>> Trying to turn over two things really

1014
01:38:54,239 --> 01:39:03,280
quick. So,
um, this is outside this scope is just a

1015
01:39:00,719 --> 01:39:11,679
little bit, but some additional law
enforcement presence in the evening on

1016
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:15,360
2600 would be greatly appreciated.
There's there's trucks that are going 60

1017
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:20,560
mph
constant. There's kids on ebikes that

1018
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:23,679
are riding wheelies, you know, 100 yards
down the road in front of our houses.

1019
01:39:22,239 --> 01:39:29,840
» The motorcycles.
>> Yes.

1020
01:39:25,679 --> 01:39:33,199
Yeah, it's sensitive copy to me.
>> I don't know if everybody look, but I

1021
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:39,280
drive a bus.
What I did ride a bus? I see ebikes all

1022
01:39:36,159 --> 01:39:45,880
day long. Those things can go 40 miles
and they're bright.

1023
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:45,880
Um

1024
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:57,760
» um [clears throat]
we have some dry so you're going to see

1025
01:39:54,800 --> 01:40:06,080
the table not
but we did a couple years ago and

1026
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:11,440
there's a lot of water so um I I don't
know what it is right now but I would

1027
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:17,679
appreciate anything to help get the
water you a drain or anything like that,

1028
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:24,480
but I do know where we just put down the
water table and we done the sewer line.

1029
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:31,679
They hit water and dirt. So,
>> okay. Um for let's just just for fun the

1030
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:36,239
40 in if that's the right number and Tom
we've had we've had holes in that area

1031
01:40:34,480 --> 01:40:44,159
with the pipes and stuff that are in
there. Um, a big storm in Cash Valley is

1032
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:50,000
one inch of precipitation.
So, if we talk about a 40 in available

1033
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:55,440
space, we have to worry about area
calculations as well. But if if half of

1034
01:40:52,719 --> 01:41:01,440
the of the gravel
it consume if the gravel consumes half

1035
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:07,679
of that 40 in available volume, so base
is 20 in, we get 18 in.

1036
01:41:05,440 --> 01:41:13,040
I'm doing math in public. Don't hold me
to this. We get 18 inches of

1037
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:17,199
precipitation a year in Castell.
So, I'm not I'm not saying that it

1038
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:21,040
doesn't get done without engineering and
without the appropriate without the

1039
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:27,600
appropriate measures, but I'm just
putting the putting the numbers in. But

1040
01:41:24,639 --> 01:41:32,880
I think we have a shot and we'll rely on
the engineers to make it make it. So,

1041
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:39,920
» you want the real numbers. The
[laughter] real numbers of what the 80

1042
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:46,000
percentile storm is 6 in in the valley
floor. So 80% of the storms are6 in of

1043
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:50,960
rain or less and we give those
periodically. So even if we just give a

1044
01:41:48,639 --> 01:41:54,639
little bit it's going to take care of
80% of the storm. So if we want to go

1045
01:41:52,719 --> 01:41:58,080
the whole 100year storm which is three
and a half inches, we can calculate

1046
01:41:57,040 --> 01:42:02,080
easily how much.
>> So you're going to criticize me for

1047
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:06,995
rounding up to one inch? No, no. I just
>> always woring.

1048
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:06,995
» Accuracy for sure. [laughter]

1049
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:16,239
Thanks.
If you want to go down a rabbit hole

1050
01:42:11,679 --> 01:42:20,960
sometime, look at permeable concrete.
They have some amazing ability. There

1051
01:42:18,719 --> 01:42:27,440
are some amazing There are some products
out there with the amazing ability to

1052
01:42:23,679 --> 01:42:30,800
not divert. It's expensive. not divert
water into an area where it can be

1053
01:42:29,119 --> 01:42:34,719
percolated, but you actually percolate
it right through concrete. Now, that

1054
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:39,840
only works if you also tear up the
surface or tear up the the strata that's

1055
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:45,199
underneath permeable concrete. Can't you
can't just absorb concrete can't work

1056
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:52,920
like a sponge. So, we but they can make
concrete that will pass water down to a

1057
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:52,920
sum below the concrete instead of

1058
01:42:55,040 --> 01:43:00,000
» Yeah, you like it. That's why he has
sump pump.

1059
01:42:58,239 --> 01:43:03,600
» Sump is a different word there. Go
ahead, please.

1060
01:43:01,119 --> 01:43:10,239
» I remember. [clears throat] I think this
is in Amanda's information. She sent it

1061
01:43:06,639 --> 01:43:16,480
as well. I thought Reion too, but uh we
would like this issue of where the water

1062
01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:23,440
goes and how it works when it's raining
and the winter time when it freezes have

1063
01:43:19,679 --> 01:43:29,280
be an open discussion that we we know
what it's going to look like. So we need

1064
01:43:26,719 --> 01:43:34,880
we need we're asking to see a summer and
a winter how the how the whole thing

1065
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:40,880
works. Maybe water draining in and then
the ground whether it's ice or snow or

1066
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:44,639
or rain water.
So we're asking that this discussion be

1067
01:43:42,719 --> 01:43:47,679
open. There may be some issues during
the winter that we haven't thought of

1068
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:52,719
need to be addressed.
>> That's right. I think that's fair. Yeah,

1069
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:58,800
we we understand that. Um, as a guy that
uh has a swell at the bottom of his

1070
01:43:54,639 --> 01:44:02,719
driveway like you do,
um, I'm going to ask you this question

1071
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:08,119
and I think I know the answer. Do you
regularly clear the smell from your

1072
01:44:05,119 --> 01:44:08,119
driveway?

1073
01:44:08,239 --> 01:44:14,719
» Yes. But you know what? For the last two
years, it's only been one, [laughter]

1074
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:20,000
right? But when it's
>> my experience with a sump at the bottom

1075
01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:24,239
of my driveway at my house, that's my
driveway draining out. Not a sump,

1076
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:29,920
excuse me, a swell.
>> It has It can't get up onto the road.

1077
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:36,560
Same problem you guys have.
it. I move a lot of water off my

1078
01:44:33,679 --> 01:44:42,480
driveway by keeping up with snow removal
on my driveway to get that snow out into

1079
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:46,159
the grassy areas on the side of the
driveway instead of letting it melt on

1080
01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:48,400
the driveway and run running down into
that.

1081
01:44:46,719 --> 01:44:51,119
» We we try to keep on top of it because
it always happens.

1082
01:44:49,440 --> 01:44:53,840
» That's if it's if it's a real warm
morning after the snow, it's it's always

1083
01:44:53,440 --> 01:44:59,040
melt.
>> You probably do better than I do. That's

1084
01:44:56,320 --> 01:45:04,080
good practice.
Then we'll take off this.

1085
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:07,679
» Okay. Any anything council?
If you can stick around to hear what the

1086
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:12,000
council has
council has been saying.

1087
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:17,360
» Anything to add? This wasn't brought up,
but one thing I thought on this uh

1088
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:22,480
talking, you know, the residents of Mary
want to be part of these conversations

1089
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:26,400
that we want them to be as well. See?
Um, but the idea and concept of

1090
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:30,960
suggesting alternative landscaping
solutions that might also help like I

1091
01:45:28,239 --> 01:45:37,679
don't know if so like the last house
there's just grab sidewalk and fence.

1092
01:45:34,719 --> 01:45:41,760
Um, I think if residents
want to I don't know some some advice

1093
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:46,880
maybe engineering advice of what
alternative landscaping they may want

1094
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:51,760
that is even better brass or just
adisement on what they might want to do.

1095
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:54,560
It's good.
It's good thought.

1096
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:58,960
» Yeah,
Nathan,

1097
01:45:56,159 --> 01:46:03,920
the the grass comes down and goes up to
the sidewalk. Not a lot, but it it is

1098
01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:10,960
enough. So, the the place where draining
is about two or three feet away from the

1099
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:15,520
side in every case.
But I'll tell you, after being married

1100
01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:18,920
to this guy for 40 years, I might
suggest because

1101
01:46:19,118 --> 01:46:25,639
[clears throat] you notice the new trees
I finally got

1102
01:46:22,639 --> 01:46:25,639
here.

1103
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:30,440
» Glad you guys worked that out.

1104
01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:41,360
» The correct term is you're escaping with
an X, not a zero.

1105
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:45,520
No landscaping,
>> nothing

1106
01:46:43,440 --> 01:46:48,480
nothing landscaping.
>> Okay, we'll conclude this item. Thank

1107
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:52,560
you for coming and sharing with us
tonight. We appreciate it. We we have

1108
01:46:50,480 --> 01:46:55,360
things to look on to think about.
>> Thanks for that.

1109
01:46:53,600 --> 01:47:04,560
» Yeah.
Uh move right on council or Okay, let's

1110
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:09,040
do it. This is uh another reading on the
solicitation

1111
01:47:06,719 --> 01:47:13,560
replacement for solicitation. Thanks for
being here tonight. Thanks for your work

1112
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:13,560
on this.

1113
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:23,520
» I appreciate the brief moment to present
to the council again. Um

1114
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:30,800
I believe uh the solicitation code was
read at another city council meeting. I

1115
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:36,080
was um absent. Um but um during that
meantime, staff has made um some minor

1116
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:41,199
revisions
and also our city attorney has reviewed

1117
01:47:38,159 --> 01:47:46,480
it and didn't have any comments really
and all the background said

1118
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:54,400
perfect.
We have the draft before you

1119
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:58,239
after review from the attorney. So,
so in teams, I mean, you've probably

1120
01:47:56,639 --> 01:48:03,280
already seen there's the old one that
you had uh before and then the new one

1121
01:48:00,639 --> 01:48:08,920
that should have the red highlighted
adjustments removing some things that

1122
01:48:05,199 --> 01:48:08,920
were suggested by

1123
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:21,600
church council. May I make a motion to
approve

1124
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:27,040
ordinance
substituting this station? Thank you,

1125
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:31,520
Nathan. I have a motion to Nathan, a
second from Nick to approve this

1126
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:35,600
ordinance as presented with the red
dots.

1127
01:48:33,440 --> 01:48:41,360
Discussion, please.
Yeah, I have a couple items to

1128
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:47,400
thank.
So in uh 2.2 2.1.

1129
01:48:49,119 --> 01:48:55,960
» Oh, just kidding. That's normal. Sorry.
Five. Um 5.08.05.

1130
01:48:56,480 --> 01:48:59,719
So point

1131
01:49:02,639 --> 01:49:10,480
um I understand the language there says
uh basically describe what you're

1132
01:49:07,440 --> 01:49:17,760
getting for right when they apply for
the license or certificate to

1133
01:49:15,119 --> 01:49:22,480
um I understand it says uh including but
not limited to. I'm just wondering um

1134
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:26,880
how staff feels about it being so
definitive.

1135
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:31,760
uh was anything on there when I read it,
including the exam has to be on there no

1136
01:49:28,719 --> 01:49:36,560
matter what. And so I didn't know if we
were like we just say like you just have

1137
01:49:34,159 --> 01:49:41,600
to fill out a form so that that form can
change over time if we need fewer or

1138
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:45,679
more things. Anyway, just thought I'd
bring that up so that a little less

1139
01:49:43,199 --> 01:49:51,360
prescriptive. Maybe we [clears throat]
would just maybe considering

1140
01:49:48,639 --> 01:49:55,280
everything out in the bullets. um just
kind of saying there will be a form we

1141
01:49:53,440 --> 01:50:00,320
fill it out. So it's you guys that have
to do that make the forms. So just

1142
01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:04,920
something to consider there. Um I'll
just jump to the next one. You guys want

1143
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:04,920
to

1144
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:10,719
» Sure.
>> Levi, you have to you you help people

1145
01:50:08,480 --> 01:50:13,760
fill out the form, right?
>> Yeah. Uh sometimes it's helpful to have

1146
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:18,800
it in code.
>> Okay.

1147
01:50:14,159 --> 01:50:22,480
» I'll just say that. Um,
and occasionally there's something in

1148
01:50:20,719 --> 01:50:26,960
there that it's like, do we really need
that? But

1149
01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:31,760
it hasn't been it hasn't really been a
huge issue on in other for other forms

1150
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:40,280
that we've done that I that I've
observed. So

1151
01:50:35,119 --> 01:50:40,280
» yeah, I kind of further on

1152
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:49,199
I mean with my role this will have
people that questions about wanting to

1153
01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:55,199
want to serve and it's easier to point
towards code that we're trying to be no

1154
01:50:52,159 --> 01:51:00,719
about your status and certain things but
you're soliciting within nibly city you

1155
01:50:57,280 --> 01:51:05,360
want to encourage local businesses or or
you

1156
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:09,199
general economics in general, but we
want to ensure the safety of our

1157
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:15,119
citizens. And so we're pointing to some
of the things that that uh we feel are

1158
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:20,960
necessary to that
voice. We have people walking on the

1159
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:26,400
prison property of our residents that we
represent. I don't I'm not grinned about

1160
01:51:23,679 --> 01:51:30,719
being seen. They walk on public
property, that's another story, but

1161
01:51:28,159 --> 01:51:36,159
walking on private property and knocking
on doors. So,

1162
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:40,719
» uh, that's great. Thank you. Um,
so with E, can you just give me an idea

1163
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:49,119
of what marketing information we would?
Um, generally, um, it just helps Levi

1164
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:54,560
and Amy who are the main, um, reviewers,
um, of these applications. Um if they do

1165
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:58,639
have marketing information such as
pamphlets, flyers that they will be

1166
01:51:56,480 --> 01:52:03,040
handing out, we want to ensure that the
student implies whether you know we

1167
01:52:01,440 --> 01:52:07,960
haven't had anything but you want to
make sure people are handing out things

1168
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:07,960
that are

1169
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:16,880
» uh appropriate while also not limiting
care to not limit those personalities

1170
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:20,719
speech.
>> I I think I think it also helps just

1171
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:24,000
with investigating the business. I think
we're trying we're trying to make sure

1172
01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:28,199
that it's a legitimate business and it
just just helps with that research.

1173
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:40,400
» In there are some companies that uh go
around soliciting textbooks. They'll

1174
01:52:37,599 --> 01:52:46,159
have exchange students come in and some
cities choose to uh take a picture with

1175
01:52:44,159 --> 01:52:50,400
that solicitor in front of the city hall
and say this person's approved. Please

1176
01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:54,960
listen to their theme. you know, they
are approved by so and so city or town.

1177
01:52:53,440 --> 01:52:59,520
And we've had people approach us at
Negro City asking if we'll do that and

1178
01:52:56,880 --> 01:53:03,679
we decline. Not because we don't want
them to to solicit even though they

1179
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:08,719
might have a license with us, but we
don't want to um give an inappropriate

1180
01:53:06,480 --> 01:53:11,719
perception that we are endorsing this
product.

1181
01:53:19,199 --> 01:53:27,360
I have
>> Oh, continue.

1182
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:31,000
Um all right so 5 point well 120
duties of solicitors.

1183
01:53:34,480 --> 01:53:42,800
I think this is just minor but in uh
item D. We're missing a word. I think

1184
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:47,679
we're missing a verb. Yeah. Think that
word might be ask

1185
01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:53,599
or requested or something to let I had
asked. I had asked as well. So, so let's

1186
01:53:50,800 --> 01:54:00,000
uh let's make that uh give you a chance
to read it. Any solicitor who is at any

1187
01:53:56,080 --> 01:54:05,840
time by any occupant of a resident or
shall leave immediately.

1188
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:08,080
» It might better read us your version.
>> I request

1189
01:54:06,480 --> 01:54:15,119
» any solicitor
>> any solicitor who is at any time

1190
01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:20,480
asked by occupant of a residence or
dwelling to leave shall immediately and

1191
01:54:17,599 --> 01:54:28,360
peacefully.
I'm going to ask cons for that. Amen.

1192
01:54:25,119 --> 01:54:28,360
Any objection?

1193
01:54:30,480 --> 01:54:43,480
» Um, and I would propose we really highly
consider how needed H is.

1194
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:43,480
Um,

1195
01:54:44,159 --> 01:54:51,760
I know the attorney looked at it, but I
think there's some some risk there that

1196
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:54,800
is
Could you read it to us?

1197
01:54:52,880 --> 01:55:01,599
» Yeah, it says the solicitor shall not
use obscene language or gestures

1198
01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:06,639
um without context, right? That sounds
like we're trying to speech things like

1199
01:55:03,920 --> 01:55:10,480
that. I get what we're trying to do with
that, but I I'd recommend we just

1200
01:55:09,019 --> 01:55:16,639
[clears throat] I don't know.
It's a motion. That's an option.

1201
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:21,000
Have a motion to amend. I'll state it
removing H. Do we have a second?

1202
01:55:21,199 --> 01:55:28,960
Okay, let's talk about the motion. Uh,
that was a notion from a motion.

1203
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:38,880
There was a motion from Nathan, second
from a motion from me. [laughter]

1204
01:55:34,159 --> 01:55:43,320
Although adult can don't say behaviorist
they should tell people they can do

1205
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:52,400
we can't we cannot tell people to not
swear at us in public. We might be able

1206
01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:55,400
to say they can't swear at people in
private

1207
01:55:59,199 --> 01:56:06,320
makes sense. I think
>> you read a lot of the feedback from the

1208
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:13,360
attorney. You read a lot about make sure
we're not sorry that whether it's

1209
01:56:09,280 --> 01:56:17,520
applied or directly.
>> Okay, we like to vote on the amendment.

1210
01:56:15,599 --> 01:56:22,000
Any objection voting on the amendment?
Seeing none. Those in favor of the

1211
01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:28,800
amendment by removing the please say I
post. Okay. Amendment is carried.

1212
01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:33,840
» All right. Final one. Um, this one's
more general. We have quite a few

1213
01:56:31,199 --> 01:56:40,159
references to
the identification badge.

1214
01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:43,520
Um, and the reference is often
capitalized and kind of feels like

1215
01:56:41,679 --> 01:56:48,639
there's a definition somewhere. And I
think this might be a little bit of

1216
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:50,960
playable from previousish. Um, it's
mentioned, I mean, if you just search

1217
01:56:49,679 --> 01:56:58,320
for the word badge, you see it's
mentioned three times. Um,

1218
01:56:55,360 --> 01:57:05,560
myself too here. So one is in the
definition of fees I thought I think

1219
01:57:01,520 --> 01:57:05,560
that's the first time it's brought up

1220
01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:17,199
» um in a previous version identification
badge was actually defined so that's why

1221
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:23,840
in those instances is capitalized and
then per direction council and staff

1222
01:57:20,639 --> 01:57:29,280
that was so it would be appropriate for
those I mean that could be added this

1223
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:35,840
now if you'd like or in the final
printed copy to me that's not such

1224
01:57:32,159 --> 01:57:41,840
significant change to to make that a
lower case but yeah I think that was

1225
01:57:39,599 --> 01:57:45,560
previously defined in there just removed
to allow flexib

1226
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:52,880
just all lowercase badges

1227
01:57:55,520 --> 01:58:02,880
accepts
appropriate for I think it's your

1228
01:57:59,679 --> 01:58:10,880
motion. Is that a motion or consent to
make it case badge? Okay. Uh is there an

1229
01:58:07,119 --> 01:58:16,400
objection? Okay. We'll make it so it's
all all mine. Thank you. Good.

1230
01:58:14,960 --> 01:58:22,400
What else? Nick
>> question. Um 58130 on time of day

1231
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:28,320
restrictions.
Um I I brought that last time. Um I I I

1232
01:58:27,040 --> 01:58:33,199
would it would make sense to me to
either we deate

1233
01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:38,719
summer hours versus
or just restrict the time earlier so

1234
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:44,159
that it's you know 9:00 [clears throat]
in January February that's dark dark

1235
01:58:42,239 --> 01:58:50,239
right um in school and all that kind of
stuff. So either to me I would like to

1236
01:58:46,960 --> 01:58:56,199
see us either specify leave it at 9 p.m.
and specify summer hours or just

1237
01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:56,199
restrict it to earlier.

1238
01:58:58,320 --> 01:59:02,599
What's the most give us a proposal?

1239
01:59:07,599 --> 01:59:13,040
» My number was eight.
>> Okay.

1240
01:59:09,679 --> 01:59:17,040
» ATM. So I would I was ready to make our
opinion

1241
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:20,239
» an attempted [laughter] to
>> but I think maybe can we just do further

1242
01:59:19,360 --> 01:59:26,960
discussion would we?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Instead of making a motion

1243
01:59:22,719 --> 01:59:30,639
either or I think would be amenable in
the summertime

1244
01:59:28,639 --> 01:59:36,159
and then we restrict it during
non-summer or just

1245
01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:40,320
if people have an appetite for that two
weeks

1246
01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:45,040
» or it it we have to make it so
complicated about what are what time of

1247
01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:50,159
the count what time of the year what
months of the year some hours and which

1248
01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:51,360
are winter and it doesn't change all at
once.

1249
01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:57,040
Yeah.
>> So, I mean, if you want to go with uh

1250
01:59:54,080 --> 02:00:03,679
sunrise and sunset, I have a I have a
timer that opens and closes the chicken

1251
01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:09,440
door on the coupe that is actually
sync. It knows sunrise and sunset time.

1252
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:14,907
We could make the solicitation hours the
same as the chicken doors, 30 minutes

1253
02:00:12,159 --> 02:00:16,927
after sunset.
[laughter]

1254
02:00:17,528 --> 02:00:28,080
[clears throat]
All right. Thank you. Can I make a

1255
02:00:21,199 --> 02:00:34,159
motion to change the 558 51830 to
change the after 7 p.m.? Have a motion

1256
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:42,760
from Nick, a second from Garrett. Let's
change the stop time to 7 p.m.

1257
02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:42,760
discussion on the motion to amend.

1258
02:00:45,599 --> 02:00:50,880
Any objection to voting on the motion to
amend? Seeing none, those in favor of

1259
02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:59,040
changing the stop time to 7 p.m., please
say I. Any opposed? Thank you, Nick.

1260
02:00:55,840 --> 02:01:04,159
If I might um just share, the most
restrictive I found was 10:30 a.m. to 4

1261
02:01:02,719 --> 02:01:07,363
p.m.
>> Can I make a new [laughter]

1262
02:01:08,239 --> 02:01:11,948
people are working? [laughter]

1263
02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:18,639
Thank you.
Anything else?

1264
02:01:19,040 --> 02:01:25,520
ready to vote.
Okay, I see no objection to voting. So,

1265
02:01:23,920 --> 02:01:30,000
let's call the role, please. We have an
amended motion if you have any questions

1266
02:01:27,040 --> 02:01:34,800
about what the amendments are. I think
we've I think and thank you for Thank

1267
02:01:32,639 --> 02:01:39,760
you. We are on screen. Thank you. Thank
you for bringing those specific

1268
02:01:36,239 --> 02:01:43,280
suggestions to to us. Um Cheryl, if
you'll call the roll, please.

1269
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:49,159
» 12 vote.
>> In favor?

1270
02:01:45,040 --> 02:01:49,159
» Yeah. in favor

1271
02:01:49,679 --> 02:01:52,840
in favor

1272
02:01:53,360 --> 02:02:01,599
by in favor none opposed. So
>> appreciate your appreciate your work on

1273
02:01:58,719 --> 02:02:06,480
that.
>> Let's talk about a development agreement

1274
02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:11,280
on Hall Road. We discussed this for
first reading before uh the foronents

1275
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:16,000
are here. Thank you for coming. We'll
give you plenty of opportunity to speak

1276
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:23,040
to the council. Uh but we'll ask Levi
for an introduction.

1277
02:02:18,239 --> 02:02:27,760
» Yeah. So the uh the council task staff
to ask ask a few questions of the

1278
02:02:25,280 --> 02:02:31,920
attorney in regards to the fee and Lou.
So I'm just going to give an update on

1279
02:02:29,440 --> 02:02:36,159
that. It was the the full response was
shared with the council and there's a

1280
02:02:33,199 --> 02:02:42,639
summary in the in the meeting packet. Uh
but really it it it came came down to

1281
02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:47,679
these two questions. one is that you
know whether there was the the fee and

1282
02:02:45,119 --> 02:02:52,400
loo would be tied to specifically to the
frontage improvements. So in other

1283
02:02:49,280 --> 02:02:56,080
words, do does if the city takes the fee
in LW, do we have to use them

1284
02:02:53,760 --> 02:03:02,000
specifically for that that specific
project? And the the attorney said uh

1285
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:05,599
that they do need to benefit the
specific subdivision have a relationship

1286
02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:11,679
to the needs created by the subdivision,
but uh they they don't need to be tied

1287
02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:17,520
to that specific project. So it can be
for something different as long as it

1288
02:03:14,400 --> 02:03:21,840
meets those other objectives. And then
um also there's no time limit for

1289
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:26,170
expending those those funds. There's a
question on you know do we have to spend

1290
02:03:24,320 --> 02:03:30,639
it within a certain amount of time.
[clears throat]

1291
02:03:26,719 --> 02:03:34,239
So that that's pretty much it. Uh I I I
did ask a followup question of does it

1292
02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:39,880
make it any different where it's a
development agreement? Um and he said

1293
02:03:36,239 --> 02:03:39,880
no. So

1294
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:51,920
» yeah, you guys saw that in the packet.
in the public information and u uh

1295
02:03:49,280 --> 02:03:57,159
we'll give you guys a chance. Um if you
have something you like to say come up

1296
02:03:53,599 --> 02:03:57,159
and say

1297
02:04:00,239 --> 02:04:08,080
not much just thank you for coming. Oh
yeah.

1298
02:04:03,920 --> 02:04:13,599
» Yep. Michael 4150.
Um thank you for considering this

1299
02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:18,000
development agreement. Um if we um
express our thoughts and concerns and I

1300
02:04:15,199 --> 02:04:20,080
think we have patiently
make a decision.

1301
02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:26,520
» Perfect.
>> Thank you. And we

1302
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:26,520
huge blessing benefit.

1303
02:04:37,520 --> 02:04:44,560
» So just to follow up with Levi. So
things like it doesn't have to be used

1304
02:04:42,320 --> 02:04:50,080
on disadvantage, but if there was a fee
in charge, uh it would need to be used

1305
02:04:47,280 --> 02:04:55,040
something to benefit sub.
So could that be something like if we

1306
02:04:51,760 --> 02:04:58,159
were chipping ceiling the road that fund
what types of things would that be used

1307
02:04:57,920 --> 02:05:02,480
to?
>> I mean, we didn't we didn't get into a

1308
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:08,800
specific discussion with the attorney,
but he it did say it needs to benefit

1309
02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:15,960
this, but not solely benefit this. So it
can go beyond the benefit can go beyond

1310
02:05:11,840 --> 02:05:15,960
this this specific subdivision.

1311
02:05:21,119 --> 02:05:29,280
» I I'm maybe I don't know
>> that's how I

1312
02:05:26,560 --> 02:05:34,480
» and I'm
we have a safety problem

1313
02:05:32,400 --> 02:05:41,199
on North.
a difficult resection to get on to 165

1314
02:05:38,400 --> 02:05:45,679
because of limited sight distance.
I know our master transportation plan

1315
02:05:43,760 --> 02:05:52,880
we're working on with the impact is
we'll have at least one comment

1316
02:05:49,360 --> 02:05:58,400
about trying to fix that. Uh but there's
limited and it and it's even a bigger

1317
02:05:54,880 --> 02:06:05,040
problem trying to go south. It's it's
not squared up. There's the the

1318
02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:09,360
topography makes it hard. So,
I have no doubt that the city needs to

1319
02:06:07,119 --> 02:06:13,920
work on that one of these days. And
certainly the subdivision would not be

1320
02:06:11,679 --> 02:06:20,159
the sole benefactor
of that, but I think the new law would

1321
02:06:16,639 --> 02:06:25,280
be a benefactor of a project like that.
When will that happen? I don't have a I

1322
02:06:23,199 --> 02:06:32,440
don't have a time schedule that
>> we also don't have a time limitation on

1323
02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:32,440
when we need to use script. So,

1324
02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:53,840
You can go first. I was going to say AR
kind of kicked that as I read that

1325
02:06:50,639 --> 02:06:58,880
attorneys know we're had to benefit the
subdivision and we all agreed last time

1326
02:06:56,480 --> 02:07:04,800
that there's probably never going to be
her guard sidewalk on Hall of Road at

1327
02:07:01,040 --> 02:07:12,280
least in our lifetime. Uh didn't even
make sense but anyway some of that and

1328
02:07:07,599 --> 02:07:12,280
so appreciate that.

1329
02:07:14,159 --> 02:07:18,320
» Okay.
There we go.

1330
02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:21,760
» You know, I was I was here last time to
get into the the bulk of the beginning

1331
02:07:20,079 --> 02:07:29,040
of this conversation. So, I'm coming to
this meeting on that, but my as I looked

1332
02:07:26,079 --> 02:07:34,400
at it and read what I could and to the
applicant,

1333
02:07:31,199 --> 02:07:40,560
I just um where I sit today from my
perspective, I just wonder if it's a

1334
02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:44,079
good idea if we extract this fee
um

1335
02:07:42,079 --> 02:07:48,480
from the applicant. I I feel like we're
almost um

1336
02:07:46,400 --> 02:07:51,840
we have a develop you know obviously
you're going to you're going to have to

1337
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:56,880
pay
to to develop anything but it's like

1338
02:07:54,239 --> 02:08:02,159
we're double taxing here almost
and I'm uncomfortable with that

1339
02:08:00,079 --> 02:08:06,000
and we always have an impact fee but I
feel like you know we're impacting feet

1340
02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:10,239
twice
because we're really not going to have a

1341
02:08:07,280 --> 02:08:14,159
sidewalk there and so well I think we
could extract the fee. I think we could

1342
02:08:12,079 --> 02:08:19,119
I think we you go through the legal and
absolutely could and that could benefit

1343
02:08:16,880 --> 02:08:24,079
projects on hollow world in the future
but should we though

1344
02:08:21,599 --> 02:08:28,480
should this applicant you know very
blunt of that because they want to

1345
02:08:26,639 --> 02:08:35,159
develop in a place that's never going to
get signed by so I just wonder if that's

1346
02:08:31,440 --> 02:08:35,159
the right thing to do

1347
02:08:35,520 --> 02:08:40,639
so I don't know what the council's
opinion amount is on that but that's

1348
02:08:39,119 --> 02:08:43,520
from where I sit and I missed the last
conversation

1349
02:08:41,840 --> 02:08:47,440
It just doesn't smell right that this is
a good idea. Citizen have to pay his

1350
02:08:45,440 --> 02:08:51,920
feet.
So maybe I need to be helped on on

1351
02:08:50,000 --> 02:09:00,079
» So here's some of the discussion we had.
I if you guys want me to jump in. Um

1352
02:08:56,639 --> 02:09:04,719
certainly the rest of road will probably
it'll be over my dead body have carbon

1353
02:09:02,719 --> 02:09:12,560
gutter and sidewalk
in part because of the zoning.

1354
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:15,560
Right. So bar e 2acre zoning
um

1355
02:09:15,599 --> 02:09:24,719
it it can be waved
to not do a sidewalk.

1356
02:09:21,679 --> 02:09:32,079
So you know we've we've had a petition
for annexation on

1357
02:09:27,599 --> 02:09:38,400
20 acres south of nibly current.
It's up to the council, I think, to wave

1358
02:09:35,199 --> 02:09:46,800
the requirement for urban gutter outside
law in the re zone. That's 2 acres only.

1359
02:09:42,800 --> 02:09:53,040
Um the the the the problem you guys are
dealing with is the code says that's

1360
02:09:49,520 --> 02:09:57,760
only agricultural and relying
that the sidewalk requirement can be

1361
02:09:55,040 --> 02:10:02,880
waved. And the code says, even though
we're working on a development brief,

1362
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:07,840
code says in R1A,
we shall have sidewalks. And if we don't

1363
02:10:05,280 --> 02:10:16,159
have sidewalks, we shall have the fee
collected sidewalks.

1364
02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:22,719
And so it it sounds like a a burden
on this property compared to the rest of

1365
02:10:19,280 --> 02:10:27,040
road, but in fact it's the R1A
zoning

1366
02:10:24,560 --> 02:10:30,840
that makes this project
possible at all.

1367
02:10:31,119 --> 02:10:37,880
Um,
the other concern that we talked about

1368
02:10:34,880 --> 02:10:37,880
was

1369
02:10:38,639 --> 02:10:48,000
how much exposure do you want to other
developers

1370
02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:56,320
in R1A that's a sidewalk doesn't make
sense here and my project.

1371
02:10:52,239 --> 02:11:00,800
So, it's it's
we we have to

1372
02:10:59,040 --> 02:11:06,000
and I appreciate you as neighbors and I
love it that you're citizens of Midway,

1373
02:11:02,480 --> 02:11:11,280
but we're considering a request from a
developer.

1374
02:11:08,320 --> 02:11:16,960
They they are also citizens, but this is
a requirement of developers in the R1A

1375
02:11:14,639 --> 02:11:21,199
zone and the other zones except RE and
agriculture. It's not a requirement of

1376
02:11:19,199 --> 02:11:24,199
citizens. It's a requirement of the
developer.

1377
02:11:25,360 --> 02:11:32,719
» Does that kind of capture the things we
talked about? I'm not trying to not

1378
02:11:30,079 --> 02:11:34,800
trying to sway this. I'm just trying to
answer your question about what we

1379
02:11:34,239 --> 02:11:37,800
talked about.
>> Yeah.

1380
02:11:38,400 --> 02:11:45,520
» There
we have that journey in because we're

1381
02:11:42,800 --> 02:11:49,040
like, well, do you collect the speed
when you hold this indefinitely? It

1382
02:11:47,040 --> 02:11:53,760
doesn't have to be used for feature
sidewalks which don't believe will ever

1383
02:11:51,360 --> 02:12:01,840
happen on Hall Road. That is why we have
to try to get different

1384
02:11:57,840 --> 02:12:08,119
you know they had for sidewalks
long haul road

1385
02:12:04,880 --> 02:12:08,119
makes sense

1386
02:12:08,320 --> 02:12:18,239
but if it can be used for anything any
project it benefit then maybe I guess

1387
02:12:16,320 --> 02:12:21,440
makes sense as it is in the coding
required

1388
02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:27,159
um [clears throat]
I don't make an exception She is when

1389
02:12:23,840 --> 02:12:27,159
you make only

1390
02:12:29,119 --> 02:12:35,199
Nathan.
>> Yeah, I also just want to keep saying

1391
02:12:33,599 --> 02:12:40,800
there's never going to be PSI on the
road. Don't say that.

1392
02:12:38,159 --> 02:12:44,159
» Never is a very long time in my
lifetime. Never was a very long time.

1393
02:12:43,760 --> 02:12:50,280
And
>> and I will not live forever. Can make

1394
02:12:46,719 --> 02:12:50,280
good on your promise.

1395
02:12:54,061 --> 02:12:56,081
» [laughter]

1396
02:12:57,119 --> 02:13:05,199
» about
um this property

1397
02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:12,719
is two three lots of an existing
sidewalk on Hollow Road,

1398
02:13:08,480 --> 02:13:15,920
right? It's it's not an a known thing.
Um

1399
02:13:14,400 --> 02:13:21,599
and so I think that's why we kind of
thought that you make sense because we

1400
02:13:18,239 --> 02:13:29,520
don't know the future. We think we do
think we'll be dead here. U but I I just

1401
02:13:26,239 --> 02:13:35,239
think that's important. So um
you know there's been projects to try to

1402
02:13:31,679 --> 02:13:35,239
make hall road

1403
02:13:35,679 --> 02:13:42,400
safer but like more
not necessarily putting curve gut and

1404
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:47,840
sidewalk but other alternatives.
And those are projects that at one point

1405
02:13:44,560 --> 02:13:52,239
were I thought in the budget that we
never did because of county problems or

1406
02:13:50,079 --> 02:13:57,360
things like that. But this is a great
example of why that could be just

1407
02:13:55,760 --> 02:14:01,199
painting some sort of lines that we can
use a lot of people on the road. But in

1408
02:13:59,280 --> 02:14:06,560
the end I think making a safer road for
pedestrians.

1409
02:14:04,159 --> 02:14:11,679
So even
think there are things that also needs

1410
02:14:09,760 --> 02:14:14,679
with this
br

1411
02:14:17,679 --> 02:14:24,920
otherwise we make them put in a lot of
concrete ways in our lifetime.

1412
02:14:31,280 --> 02:14:37,679
» Thank you Nathan Eric.
>> I make a motion. this to approve

1413
02:14:34,880 --> 02:14:40,840
ordinance 261 with the condition that
the applicant

1414
02:14:47,040 --> 02:14:53,400
agreement which includes uh the side

1415
02:14:53,928 --> 02:15:03,159
[laughter] get clarification um is the
language basically what is suggested by

1416
02:14:59,520 --> 02:15:03,159
staff you're proposing

1417
02:15:06,239 --> 02:15:11,480
Okay.
Clarification.

1418
02:15:14,639 --> 02:15:21,040
» I think yes sir. I I I agree a lot with
what you say there. I think it really

1419
02:15:18,239 --> 02:15:25,199
comes down to I mean it's in the code
that's a requirement. I just want I just

1420
02:15:23,760 --> 02:15:31,280
I think you have to be really careful
with um any developer that comes to any

1421
02:15:28,800 --> 02:15:35,679
rate and and reducing the likelihood
that this is a negotiation all time. I

1422
02:15:34,239 --> 02:15:40,760
just don't know if that's great for the
city. So just think sense

1423
02:15:42,079 --> 02:15:49,599
and and to be clear
the council has the authority to not

1424
02:15:47,199 --> 02:15:53,440
follow the code. That's why we're having
this discussion.

1425
02:15:51,520 --> 02:15:58,000
So a middle ball question then who
determines how much the output have to

1426
02:15:56,560 --> 02:16:03,760
pay then
>> probably

1427
02:15:59,679 --> 02:16:07,440
that as an engineer or you you or a
design company you

1428
02:16:05,280 --> 02:16:12,719
» so we can do it a number of ways and I
know Michael and I can come to a good

1429
02:16:10,159 --> 02:16:16,800
resolution. We can go to get three bids.
I have cost estimates from other

1430
02:16:14,800 --> 02:16:21,679
developments that I can compare a single
bid to just see if it is. I I know we

1431
02:16:20,000 --> 02:16:24,920
can work it out and have something
that's reasonable.

1432
02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:32,319
» The council doesn't need to get
involved.

1433
02:16:30,400 --> 02:16:37,679
» I was just curious process that would be
involved in that.

1434
02:16:34,559 --> 02:16:42,319
That that doesn't seem fair.
I hear every what everyone is saying. I

1435
02:16:39,920 --> 02:16:47,599
I hear that I'm in a memory of my
thoughts on this and I I'm from the

1436
02:16:45,200 --> 02:16:54,639
council's perspective.
I still I think it's a good example to

1437
02:16:50,479 --> 02:16:59,120
have an exception. I I really do. I just
think that

1438
02:16:57,439 --> 02:17:07,080
it's a burden that we should have to
bear in this one parcel of land.

1439
02:17:03,519 --> 02:17:07,080
the best nation.

1440
02:17:09,599 --> 02:17:16,399
Okay. Any other comments, thoughts,
any opposition to voting? Before we

1441
02:17:14,960 --> 02:17:23,679
vote, thank you for working through this
with us. You guys been patient and

1442
02:17:19,840 --> 02:17:28,000
gracious. Thank you for that. Uh since I
did not see an objection to voting,

1443
02:17:25,679 --> 02:17:33,639
let's proceed with it. And Cheryl, we
call the roll. Council

1444
02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:33,639
» members object.

1445
02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:37,000
Thank you.

1446
02:17:40,800 --> 02:17:46,399
» In favor
in favor.

1447
02:17:45,760 --> 02:17:51,040
» Thank you.
>> Four in favor. One opposed. So the

1448
02:17:48,399 --> 02:17:57,599
development agreement is stopped. Can't
wait to see you guys not build sidewalks

1449
02:17:54,080 --> 02:18:00,840
but build other things.
Thank you.

1450
02:18:01,280 --> 02:18:06,760
Let's go right into ordinance 2613.

1451
02:18:08,160 --> 02:18:14,880
» Oh yeah. Thank you for helping me on
that. So without objection, we'll take

1452
02:25:55,600 --> 02:26:03,600
No, no, no, no. Now we are.
>> Hey,

1453
02:26:00,560 --> 02:26:09,120
if we come back to order, please.
Let's talk about uh permitted science.

1454
02:26:07,680 --> 02:26:14,720
Levi, will you lead us into that,
please?

1455
02:26:11,040 --> 02:26:22,160
» Yes. So, um this was
this review was brought up by a uh a

1456
02:26:19,439 --> 02:26:28,880
bill in the state legislature which
basically prohibits cities from um

1457
02:26:26,319 --> 02:26:34,319
prohibiting political signs and park
strips as long as long as the adjacent

1458
02:26:32,240 --> 02:26:41,760
property owner consents to the political
sign being there. So, but when you know

1459
02:26:38,479 --> 02:26:46,479
as as we often do once we open up the
the book, we kind of start poking holes

1460
02:26:45,120 --> 02:26:50,319
in other things. So, that's kind of what
we did here. There's there's a number of

1461
02:26:48,319 --> 02:26:56,479
other changes with the planning
commission as we reviewed the sign code

1462
02:26:52,960 --> 02:27:02,399
uh that that are being suggested. So
yeah, that that first one obviously is

1463
02:26:59,680 --> 02:27:06,319
mandate from the state legislature that
we basically are going to, you know,

1464
02:27:04,640 --> 02:27:12,880
leave political signs alone in the park
strip unless and and I think in practice

1465
02:27:09,600 --> 02:27:18,160
kind of what what I've said um that I
think makes the most sense at least from

1466
02:27:15,520 --> 02:27:21,040
you know an enforcement standpoint is
probably what's going to happen is

1467
02:27:19,520 --> 02:27:24,080
unless they're adjacent to a city
property, we're probably just not going

1468
02:27:22,800 --> 02:27:29,280
to touch them because we're not going to
go survey residents and say, "Hey, is is

1469
02:27:27,439 --> 02:27:33,520
that allowed?" Unless we get a complaint
from somebody that says, "Hey, there's a

1470
02:27:31,280 --> 02:27:38,319
political sign out front. I didn't let
them put it there." Then at that point,

1471
02:27:35,760 --> 02:27:44,319
we would probably pull the sign. But
anyway, the state legislature passed

1472
02:27:40,960 --> 02:27:50,960
that law, so we've it's in this
amendment.

1473
02:27:45,840 --> 02:27:57,680
Um, let's see here. The
other than that, uh we we did review the

1474
02:27:54,560 --> 02:28:03,840
this uh sign code and there we did
update the definition and and some

1475
02:28:00,880 --> 02:28:08,080
regulations on temporary signage
and

1476
02:28:05,359 --> 02:28:15,840
uh really tried to clarify it a little
bit more. Uh we did have add a time

1477
02:28:11,600 --> 02:28:22,640
frame of in in this amendment of 90 day
up to 90 days. Um or 48 hours after if

1478
02:28:20,479 --> 02:28:28,960
it's if it's advertising event it' be 48
hours after an event. Um so that that

1479
02:28:26,800 --> 02:28:32,720
was added that was clarified. I I can go
into the code for specifically what it

1480
02:28:31,120 --> 02:28:39,840
says but I just wanted to summarize
here. Uh in the in the code right now,

1481
02:28:37,280 --> 02:28:44,240
there's a chart that spells out which
signs need a building permit and which

1482
02:28:42,240 --> 02:28:51,040
signs don't. And most of them do show
building permit. So rather than

1483
02:28:47,600 --> 02:28:55,200
rather than um pointing at, you know,
specific signs and whether they need a

1484
02:28:52,640 --> 02:29:00,319
building permit or not, uh we're we're
just referencing the building code. And

1485
02:28:57,120 --> 02:29:07,520
so if it requires a a building permit or
a building code then then uh we would

1486
02:29:04,479 --> 02:29:12,160
that you know that would be pursued. And
I'll say that that that somewhat relates

1487
02:29:10,240 --> 02:29:19,120
to
uh another change and that is that you

1488
02:29:15,920 --> 02:29:24,720
know currently it requires most signs
require conditional use permit. We don't

1489
02:29:21,600 --> 02:29:32,080
have really a staff administered sign
permit u process. U so if it's a

1490
02:29:28,479 --> 02:29:38,080
permitted sign they can just build it.
Um but if it's if it's a conditional use

1491
02:29:36,800 --> 02:29:43,359
then they have to go to planning
commission for a conditional use permit.

1492
02:29:39,600 --> 02:29:48,800
What this changes is that it's a
any sign listed is a permitted use but

1493
02:29:46,080 --> 02:29:54,000
it requires a signed permit. So it it
that would be administered by staff. So,

1494
02:29:50,479 --> 02:29:58,800
we would we would create an application.
It'd be similar to what we do with

1495
02:29:55,359 --> 02:30:02,880
fences currently or accessory buildings.
It's basically a zoning clearance. And

1496
02:30:00,800 --> 02:30:07,760
then when that's reviewed, then then we
can determine if they would need a

1497
02:30:04,160 --> 02:30:15,520
building permit for that for that sign.
So, uh amending that process. Um

1498
02:30:12,960 --> 02:30:23,600
there there's also a a current setback
of 10 ft or all signs which the planning

1499
02:30:21,200 --> 02:30:28,399
commission felt was quite restrictive
and so it's being amended to 3 ft with

1500
02:30:26,399 --> 02:30:34,080
this ordinance
um for signs.

1501
02:30:31,520 --> 02:30:37,120
There's
I think there's some language in there

1502
02:30:35,439 --> 02:30:43,680
that says that you know it can't
constitute a a sight distance hazard or

1503
02:30:41,280 --> 02:30:49,280
anything like that but you know traffic
hazard but reduction they they just felt

1504
02:30:47,040 --> 02:30:54,920
like 10 ft was pretty unreasonable in a
lot of cases. So sorry go ahead

1505
02:30:55,439 --> 02:31:01,520
» the property line. So not from the
roadway but from the property line. So

1506
02:30:59,600 --> 02:31:07,359
if you think, you know, you've got a a
sidewalk, usually back of sidewalk, um

1507
02:31:05,520 --> 02:31:12,479
one foot behind the back of sidewalk,
another 10 feet. So you're really 11 ft

1508
02:31:10,800 --> 02:31:16,960
from the sidewalk is what the
restriction is. I don't know how many

1509
02:31:14,479 --> 02:31:23,760
signs are compliant with that, but that
is what's written in the code. So

1510
02:31:20,319 --> 02:31:29,200
um the the the Maverick sign that they
just put in that that it that does

1511
02:31:25,359 --> 02:31:35,439
comply with that 10- foot setback. um
just for reference, but

1512
02:31:33,280 --> 02:31:40,720
that's that's being recommended to be
changed.

1513
02:31:37,120 --> 02:31:47,280
And then this last one came from legal
review. It wasn't it wasn't a no one was

1514
02:31:44,960 --> 02:31:52,720
necessarily clamoring for this, but it
it was removing there. There's this

1515
02:31:49,520 --> 02:31:59,600
restriction for electronic message
display signs that they can't be for

1516
02:31:55,760 --> 02:32:05,120
sexually oriented businesses. And the
the attorney just commented that we this

1517
02:32:02,479 --> 02:32:09,520
could be scrutinized for content
neutrality kind of first amendment

1518
02:32:07,439 --> 02:32:17,280
issues where we're we're getting into
the content of the sign, not not the you

1519
02:32:13,439 --> 02:32:21,600
know, not the type of sign or the So
anyway, he he said that there could be

1520
02:32:19,760 --> 02:32:25,439
there could be a path forward if we want
to restrict this, but planning

1521
02:32:23,920 --> 02:32:30,760
commission and staff's recommendation
was just to strike that specific

1522
02:32:27,760 --> 02:32:30,760
provision

1523
02:32:31,120 --> 02:32:40,080
and let's see so that's a summary of the
changes

1524
02:32:37,680 --> 02:32:42,720
um
planning commission staff

1525
02:32:41,200 --> 02:32:47,280
recommendations a little bit different
so planning commission's recommendation

1526
02:32:44,479 --> 02:32:52,160
is to approve the ordinance as as uh
recommended

1527
02:32:49,120 --> 02:32:58,000
staff staff has reviewed this further
actually since the

1528
02:32:54,560 --> 02:33:04,080
um the last or since planning commission
recommended this. And one one uh

1529
02:33:01,920 --> 02:33:09,359
revision that we're requesting be
incorporated is there's currently in in

1530
02:33:07,120 --> 02:33:14,640
the current draft, not not in the
ordinance, but in the current draft,

1531
02:33:10,720 --> 02:33:21,600
there is an exception for um signs in
the park strip for that are temporary

1532
02:33:18,960 --> 02:33:26,240
signage advertising city sponsored, city
approved events.

1533
02:33:23,439 --> 02:33:32,160
Um
and and we're we're s we're recommending

1534
02:33:29,920 --> 02:33:36,240
as staff to strike that provision. So
basically that we would have to Yeah.

1535
02:33:34,560 --> 02:33:39,840
And Justin could speak to that.
>> I'll speak to that. I just feel like

1536
02:33:37,920 --> 02:33:43,520
it's not a great look for us to be not
following our own code. So I've had some

1537
02:33:41,280 --> 02:33:47,760
discussions with Chad about this. Chad's
not happy with this. Frankly, I haven't

1538
02:33:46,319 --> 02:33:52,160
had a lot of discussion with Chad about
it, but I've told him that this

1539
02:33:49,040 --> 02:33:57,760
ordinance is being looked at and that uh
I I would like staff to follow whatever

1540
02:33:56,000 --> 02:34:02,080
the code says and not make special
exceptions for the city and for city

1541
02:34:00,080 --> 02:34:06,000
events. I've I've just felt that over
the years from numerous uh public

1542
02:34:04,319 --> 02:34:12,240
officials and people. So, I just think
it's a good idea. Um

1543
02:34:09,920 --> 02:34:17,920
that's why I made that recommendation.
So does this apply even in parks? So we

1544
02:34:15,200 --> 02:34:21,800
can't advertise city events with signs
even parks just parks

1545
02:34:23,040 --> 02:34:26,040
» only.

1546
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:37,359
» Well, that's a good question. I didn't
know if that was limited to political

1547
02:34:35,200 --> 02:34:41,680
signs only or any sign. That's a
question.

1548
02:34:39,439 --> 02:34:46,080
Yeah, I
I that's something I still wanted to

1549
02:34:43,920 --> 02:34:52,080
follow up with Mo on. I did go to a
training. Some cities are interpreting

1550
02:34:49,439 --> 02:35:00,399
this code, this new
state code to say we can't regulate any

1551
02:34:56,479 --> 02:35:05,040
of these signs in the park strip because
again back to content neutrality. We we

1552
02:35:03,120 --> 02:35:10,399
can't we can't say okay well this
political sign's allowed but this sign

1553
02:35:07,840 --> 02:35:17,280
that is advertising something here is
not allowed. that the attorney didn't

1554
02:35:13,920 --> 02:35:20,479
um didn't go that far to to say that. I
was going to follow back up with him. I

1555
02:35:18,479 --> 02:35:24,960
haven't had a chance to do that. So, I
can do that if you want to take this to

1556
02:35:21,920 --> 02:35:31,040
second reading. But
I I don't know. I think I think there's

1557
02:35:28,720 --> 02:35:35,280
based on some training I've been to, I
think there's going to be maybe some

1558
02:35:33,200 --> 02:35:39,760
followup in the next legislative session
on that because a lot of cities are

1559
02:35:37,120 --> 02:35:44,000
saying, "Well, we don't we don't like to
get into what is on the sign, whether

1560
02:35:42,319 --> 02:35:47,680
it's a political sign, because it's a
first amendment issue, and

1561
02:35:46,240 --> 02:35:51,359
» we're not going to regulate whether it's
a political sign or someone's business

1562
02:35:49,760 --> 02:35:58,000
or or whatever."
>> Yeah. And with the state,

1563
02:35:55,439 --> 02:36:02,960
» they did. They did.
>> They defined it. But again, they don't

1564
02:36:01,120 --> 02:36:07,840
trump,
I guess, the the First Amendment. So,

1565
02:36:07,439 --> 02:36:10,592
» anyway,
>> they do. [laughter]

1566
02:36:11,439 --> 02:36:16,479
» I don't know.
I guess

1567
02:36:14,399 --> 02:36:21,439
» it shall be tested. That's what some
That's what some cities I like in in the

1568
02:36:20,240 --> 02:36:25,040
trainings I've been to, that's what
they've said. I don't I'm not saying

1569
02:36:22,960 --> 02:36:30,080
that we need to go in that direction,
but that's just something I'm looking

1570
02:36:27,120 --> 02:36:35,319
at.
>> Yeah, the mere state code. Yes.

1571
02:36:39,439 --> 02:36:44,960
» I'll maybe just add on I had some
discussion. I those those signs are

1572
02:36:42,479 --> 02:36:49,439
fairly effective. So my my goal is not
to remove the signs, but just to put us

1573
02:36:46,800 --> 02:36:53,120
on the same playing field and not be out
taking out other people's signs when our

1574
02:36:51,280 --> 02:37:01,520
signs are out in the park.
>> Yeah. I I think the Utah League has

1575
02:36:58,640 --> 02:37:09,520
published data that says
unfortunately in my opinion the most

1576
02:37:04,560 --> 02:37:13,439
effective campaign method is science
that people look at that don't do any

1577
02:37:11,359 --> 02:37:18,000
more research than how many signs they
see

1578
02:37:15,280 --> 02:37:21,960
any more research before they go out
that how many signs they

1579
02:37:22,080 --> 02:37:30,160
unfortunate
So corrup we take all political sides

1580
02:37:28,240 --> 02:37:33,778
out of and people would vote in total
ignorance instead of partial. [laughter]

1581
02:37:34,160 --> 02:37:37,399
» That's sarcastic.

1582
02:37:39,439 --> 02:37:51,680
» Yeah.
So, Levi, the draft in the box is

1583
02:37:47,600 --> 02:37:57,200
applying the same code to city events,
advertising city events or are city I I

1584
02:37:54,880 --> 02:38:02,399
look for, but our city
>> city uh signs advertising city events

1585
02:38:00,560 --> 02:38:09,600
still
uh exempted from park sites. The one the

1586
02:38:06,319 --> 02:38:15,040
one that's in the
>> in teams is is uh

1587
02:38:13,200 --> 02:38:19,760
the planning commission recommendation
which includes that exemption and that

1588
02:38:18,240 --> 02:38:24,319
was staff's recommendation to the
planning commission to be to be clear

1589
02:38:22,080 --> 02:38:30,055
after the meeting and with further
review we I guess we amended it

1590
02:38:27,520 --> 02:38:33,120
» staff's recommendation at the time but
[clears throat] you've you the staff has

1591
02:38:31,680 --> 02:38:39,760
thought about it since then.
>> Yeah. and talked about eliminating the

1592
02:38:37,600 --> 02:38:42,080
exemption for city sites.
>> Yeah.

1593
02:38:40,800 --> 02:38:45,080
» Being regulated.
>> Yes.

1594
02:38:48,399 --> 02:38:58,399
» Oops. Do we guess I'm not remembering
clearly as a city? Do we often place our

1595
02:38:56,640 --> 02:39:03,760
advertisements, our yard signs in the
park strip or they more typically on the

1596
02:39:01,520 --> 02:39:08,560
past, you know, closer past the sidewalk
on the actual parks grass?

1597
02:39:06,640 --> 02:39:13,600
» There's a ton of them in the park strip
and and in and in medians. That would be

1598
02:39:11,040 --> 02:39:18,600
the other thing because public rideway.
So

1599
02:39:14,319 --> 02:39:18,600
» yeah, there's a lot of them.

1600
02:39:20,479 --> 02:39:26,240
» Well, this question about
regulating political science.

1601
02:39:25,520 --> 02:39:31,359
» Yeah.
>> And public property or we strips and

1602
02:39:29,200 --> 02:39:37,760
means or we regulating all science
because neutral content neutrality

1603
02:39:34,560 --> 02:39:40,640
and scripts and we need to figure that
out.

1604
02:39:38,080 --> 02:39:43,640
» Yeah, it's a great question.
>> Yeah.

1605
02:39:44,880 --> 02:39:53,080
» So then
right now

1606
02:39:48,560 --> 02:39:53,080
signs being allowed in the park.

1607
02:39:53,240 --> 02:39:58,535
» [clears throat]
>> Well, it sounds like something

1608
02:39:54,640 --> 02:39:58,535
politicians would vote for. [laughter]

1609
02:39:59,439 --> 02:40:09,760
» And I'm not sure that the legislature
um said anything beyond you can't

1610
02:40:07,600 --> 02:40:15,439
prohibit political signs in the park
strip. And so cities may have other

1611
02:40:13,120 --> 02:40:22,319
restrictions on signs in park strips,
but I I think the legislature

1612
02:40:19,359 --> 02:40:27,359
said you can't prohibit political
yard kind of signs.

1613
02:40:24,800 --> 02:40:31,680
» Yep.
>> I will give you a motion

1614
02:40:30,575 --> 02:40:37,760
[clears throat]
to approve ordinance 2613

1615
02:40:35,600 --> 02:40:43,200
for first reading.
Motion second from Nick to advance this

1616
02:40:40,880 --> 02:40:48,160
to second.
You can talk some more. So, you know,

1617
02:40:46,399 --> 02:40:53,840
do you understand Levi? We've got some
questions to answer

1618
02:40:50,479 --> 02:40:56,640
about uh
whether it's just political science or

1619
02:40:55,359 --> 02:40:59,640
whether it's all science. Yeah.
>> Okay.

1620
02:41:01,040 --> 02:41:10,560
» I'm not sure there's any research for
statue on the history.

1621
02:41:06,960 --> 02:41:16,560
U I mean it's related but depending on
how it come down. um if on advertising

1622
02:41:14,560 --> 02:41:24,080
city events.
So either we keep that exemption on

1623
02:41:19,200 --> 02:41:28,240
prohibition or we don't.
And I'm not sure there's any research to

1624
02:41:25,840 --> 02:41:31,760
do. I mean you go talk to Chad.
>> I know. Yeah.

1625
02:41:29,920 --> 02:41:35,200
» Sorry. You know Chad is out of town. I
had a brief discussion with Curtis about

1626
02:41:33,359 --> 02:41:41,120
it. That's why I mentioned they they say
they're effective and they we did he

1627
02:41:38,000 --> 02:41:44,319
took a look at uh
the

1628
02:41:42,720 --> 02:41:49,359
I'm trying to remember exactly what this
was. It was the questionnaire for people

1629
02:41:46,560 --> 02:41:52,720
that end up on waiting list
>> for soccer. One of the questions how did

1630
02:41:51,200 --> 02:41:57,200
you know about this or hear about our
program and there was a big chunk of

1631
02:41:54,399 --> 02:42:01,120
them that were said road signs. So again
I I am not against the road signs. I

1632
02:41:59,760 --> 02:42:06,880
just want us to live by the same rules
as everybody else.

1633
02:42:04,080 --> 02:42:11,280
And if that's the case,
then we're not going to prohibit

1634
02:42:08,640 --> 02:42:13,840
political science. We're not we're going
to live by the same rules. The city's

1635
02:42:12,720 --> 02:42:17,840
going to live by the same rules as
everyone else. We wouldn't want to keep

1636
02:42:16,080 --> 02:42:22,319
city science. We need to get we need to
not prohibit anybody science.

1637
02:42:20,720 --> 02:42:27,760
I think it's [clears throat] a bad one
with you. I think people don't I think

1638
02:42:25,520 --> 02:42:31,280
candidates don't understand. I think
window washing companies don't

1639
02:42:29,600 --> 02:42:36,960
understand
that they can't advertise in the park

1640
02:42:33,920 --> 02:42:41,520
strips. And why would they understand
that? Because they see all these other

1641
02:42:38,640 --> 02:42:52,520
sites. They don't notice that they're
all advertising nibbly city events.

1642
02:42:45,840 --> 02:42:52,520
But why wouldn't they think it's okay?

1643
02:42:54,960 --> 02:43:05,319
I understand cuz Cheryl tells of me or
told me many times.

1644
02:43:00,399 --> 02:43:05,319
» So kudos to you, Cheryl. I understand.

1645
02:43:06,240 --> 02:43:14,327
Oh, bird came on.
>> I remember this day that Levi went out

1646
02:43:12,319 --> 02:43:16,347
and rounded up a bunch of my sign
[laughter]

1647
02:43:16,640 --> 02:43:27,120
and I swear to goodness those signs were
on the front yard side of the sidewalk

1648
02:43:23,840 --> 02:43:32,160
when I planted them and then they mowed
the grass [laughter]

1649
02:43:30,319 --> 02:43:39,479
» and the resident moved it into the
parking and I got busted for it.

1650
02:43:35,840 --> 02:43:39,479
wouldn't do it anymore.

1651
02:43:39,840 --> 02:43:46,640
» When you see your sign
placed properly, we need to put there

1652
02:43:44,720 --> 02:43:52,240
some or someone in your staff, whatever,
but it's there somewhere on the property

1653
02:43:49,040 --> 02:43:57,840
or the owner and then it's share and I
do as many as I possibly could. I would

1654
02:43:54,399 --> 02:44:03,520
apologize if that was the case, but I
always the park share is that that's not

1655
02:43:59,600 --> 02:44:07,000
my land, but I maintain it for the city.
You've been citizens

1656
02:44:12,319 --> 02:44:22,000
like my other part of my life.
>> And there are a lot of people that

1657
02:44:18,160 --> 02:44:23,760
believe the park strip and the sidewalk
are their rent.

1658
02:44:23,439 --> 02:44:29,120
» Yeah.
>> And we've gone through that, right? I

1659
02:44:26,080 --> 02:44:35,439
didn't I didn't park on the sidewalk. I
parked in my driveway,

1660
02:44:31,840 --> 02:44:42,000
you know, in in in this part where the
van diagram intersects.

1661
02:44:37,920 --> 02:44:49,399
That's not a sidewalk. That's my drive.
Whether the ideal science can be there

1662
02:44:45,359 --> 02:44:49,399
is I think it opens Canada.

1663
02:44:52,160 --> 02:45:00,080
question for 20 seconds. [clears throat]
Uh interpreting the state law which I've

1664
02:44:58,160 --> 02:45:06,560
not read.
Uh can we So we're saying here that they

1665
02:45:03,359 --> 02:45:11,920
have to ask permission.
Is that allowable say ask that they

1666
02:45:10,319 --> 02:45:16,560
asked for permission?
>> Yeah, we can. I just know practically.

1667
02:45:14,560 --> 02:45:19,680
Are we going to go knock on people's
door and say is did they did they let

1668
02:45:18,479 --> 02:45:23,520
you put that sign there? No,
>> we can't. We can't condition

1669
02:45:22,160 --> 02:45:29,120
We can.
>> So one option

1670
02:45:26,640 --> 02:45:34,720
something
is you know how polical candidates have

1671
02:45:31,439 --> 02:45:39,600
to like endorse their things. Maybe we
implement it within that just res says

1672
02:45:37,520 --> 02:45:41,760
I'm okay with the sign being here.
>> Sign it.

1673
02:45:40,240 --> 02:45:45,920
» They have to like sign it or put a
message on the sign that says I'm okay

1674
02:45:43,200 --> 02:45:50,960
with the sign being there.
>> That's just a thoughtpie.

1675
02:45:47,840 --> 02:45:56,399
» Yeah. They don't be like super sick. We
say no has to give proof that they're

1676
02:45:53,920 --> 02:46:02,399
okay with being there because we have
residents who

1677
02:45:59,920 --> 02:46:06,200
may not have the courage to like call
the city and

1678
02:46:07,680 --> 02:46:17,279
it forces the candidates to do the work
required to get the permission.

1679
02:46:15,359 --> 02:46:20,080
See if there's a I just want to see
action.

1680
02:46:29,279 --> 02:46:34,760
for people distributing this school.

1681
02:46:34,800 --> 02:46:38,920
» So we can look for an emblem

1682
02:46:39,600 --> 02:46:46,680
» statement of approval from
who would hold that state.

1683
02:46:46,800 --> 02:46:52,500
Oh,
>> I approve of this message. [laughter]

1684
02:46:58,340 --> 02:47:00,359
[laughter]

1685
02:47:00,960 --> 02:47:02,979
[clears throat]

1686
02:47:05,120 --> 02:47:11,160
» Yeah, just curious.
>> We don't have to be stupid.

1687
02:47:13,760 --> 02:47:17,840
The only way I see us being able to

1688
02:47:18,160 --> 02:47:27,560
If state allows it allows it
if the conditionals are there.

1689
02:47:28,080 --> 02:47:33,960
» So that's question from
the week.

1690
02:47:39,200 --> 02:47:48,319
» Greg, it's a property a rights issue.
You want to weigh in on this? It's not a

1691
02:47:43,279 --> 02:47:54,671
public hearing, but I'm
>> okay.

1692
02:47:50,479 --> 02:47:59,479
» I got a 2 by you can lease
[clears throat]

1693
02:47:55,760 --> 02:47:59,479
where you're Okay.

1694
02:48:01,600 --> 02:48:07,600
» He's here every
and we're going to consider a property.

1695
02:48:06,240 --> 02:48:14,880
We're going to consider this as a
property Francis as we speak. uh from

1696
02:48:10,640 --> 02:48:22,319
from failure is definitely uh for sale
real estate. We really do like as leeway

1697
02:48:18,080 --> 02:48:27,680
as we can to put for some for uh to help
our clients. We also will frequently

1698
02:48:25,680 --> 02:48:33,120
have opening. So [clears throat] those
are a temporary sign and we we do like

1699
02:48:30,479 --> 02:48:39,200
leniency on that to be able to market
home. uh thumb cities are not as

1700
02:48:36,399 --> 02:48:43,200
accommodated and they actually have
enforcement that will come and take our

1701
02:48:40,960 --> 02:48:50,720
thumbs. We would love to know where they
end up. They probably in the landfield,

1702
02:48:46,399 --> 02:48:59,600
but um th this is nice to see that it's
being discussed and it is being talked

1703
02:48:53,520 --> 02:49:04,160
about. Um, I I think that discussion of
uh whether or not all signs are allowed

1704
02:49:01,600 --> 02:49:09,520
in departure versus just political is
something that would be valuable to

1705
02:49:06,720 --> 02:49:17,880
discuss. I I think in both a pro and
cons sense that that could come up to uh

1706
02:49:14,000 --> 02:49:17,880
that may come up to

1707
02:49:17,920 --> 02:49:28,479
myself on a on a personal business end.
Oh, I would love to put signs in say I

1708
02:49:23,200 --> 02:49:33,840
can help set the and do you become
do you become a billboard in parts of a

1709
02:49:31,920 --> 02:49:38,439
lot of people?
Thank you very much.

1710
02:49:34,880 --> 02:49:38,439
» Yeah, thank you.

1711
02:49:39,120 --> 02:49:45,279
» I would appreciate if there was a clause
that required

1712
02:49:42,800 --> 02:49:48,760
no for sale realtor science in city
manager's garage.

1713
02:49:49,920 --> 02:49:56,557
you. [laughter]
>> Yeah.

1714
02:49:54,537 --> 02:49:56,557
[clears throat]

1715
02:49:57,439 --> 02:50:06,319
» So, it's good we talk about um the
definition of like we have street

1716
02:50:04,080 --> 02:50:12,000
banner, right? So, for instance, there's
a couple times you'll see like

1717
02:50:09,520 --> 02:50:18,640
signs on fences,
right? Whether they're political or

1718
02:50:15,439 --> 02:50:24,960
realtors or whatever. Uh, as I read
this, those do not require the bank.

1719
02:50:23,520 --> 02:50:28,800
» Yeah, I think that'd be considered a
temporary

1720
02:50:26,880 --> 02:50:31,800
I think that'd be considered a temporary
sign.

1721
02:50:33,359 --> 02:50:41,160
» Well, I think we have a limit of 90
days, but

1722
02:50:38,160 --> 02:50:41,160
yeah,

1723
02:50:42,720 --> 02:50:49,800
while we're while we're changing code.
Yeah,

1724
02:50:51,040 --> 02:50:58,880
» I'm trying to find a picture on my
phone. We wonder about what happens to

1725
02:50:55,120 --> 02:51:03,600
those signs that Levi and Evan picked up
and you did your best. They did their

1726
02:51:01,359 --> 02:51:09,359
best to notify the owner of the sign to
come and get your city office. In my

1727
02:51:07,680 --> 02:51:15,359
shop,
I have a

1728
02:51:11,600 --> 02:51:19,200
small overhead garage door
and

1729
02:51:16,960 --> 02:51:23,279
I put some insulation in that door
because it wasn't part of the original

1730
02:51:20,960 --> 02:51:30,160
construction, but it was just like foam
insulation. And so I took those I took a

1731
02:51:27,120 --> 02:51:38,399
collection of those signs
and reused them to a really good thing

1732
02:51:33,359 --> 02:51:44,319
to line the inside door of my [laughter]
over my overhead door in my shop

1733
02:51:41,680 --> 02:51:46,640
right next to the old tractor
tractor.

1734
02:51:45,439 --> 02:51:50,960
» They would have gone to the landfill
otherwise just just for the record. But

1735
02:51:49,040 --> 02:51:55,760
that's where and and they had adequate
time to pick them up, [laughter] but

1736
02:51:53,359 --> 02:52:02,479
they were in Levi's office for 6 months.
And take those if you don't mind. I'll

1737
02:51:59,279 --> 02:52:08,160
keep them.
>> I'm going to patch it around.

1738
02:52:05,040 --> 02:52:12,144
» Leave the public record now.
Let you take a picture. [laughter]

1739
02:52:14,880 --> 02:52:21,720
I have old dog licensing signs that we
obsed when we change the due date.

1740
02:52:24,000 --> 02:52:30,880
» Justin,
>> you [clears throat] could do that with

1741
02:52:26,800 --> 02:52:35,120
the realtor's garage. Okay.
>> Yeah, I need a new screen. Sorry.

1742
02:52:33,279 --> 02:52:39,040
» Do we have a motion?
>> We have a motion to advance second.

1743
02:52:36,720 --> 02:52:43,600
We've been giving staff
um we've been giving staff direction

1744
02:52:41,840 --> 02:52:50,720
things to answer. Anything else to to
look up and deal with before that?

1745
02:52:48,479 --> 02:52:55,279
Okay. Any opposition to voting on first
motion, first reading? Seeing none,

1746
02:52:53,760 --> 02:53:03,640
those in favor of advancing this second
reading, please say I. Any opposed? 5 Z

1747
02:52:59,920 --> 02:53:03,640
passes. Thank you.

1748
02:53:06,000 --> 02:53:12,479
Okay, let's talk about inactive
applications.

1749
02:53:10,479 --> 02:53:16,640
All right,
so we've had this we've had this issue

1750
02:53:14,800 --> 02:53:21,840
of
land use applications where

1751
02:53:19,520 --> 02:53:28,319
you know in in the subdivision process
we have very prescriptive amount of time

1752
02:53:25,279 --> 02:53:34,319
that our staff has to respond to the
applicant. For example, for preliminary

1753
02:53:30,399 --> 02:53:41,520
plat, it's uh 15 business days and it's
20 business days for final plat.

1754
02:53:37,279 --> 02:53:47,840
Uh what we don't have is an expiration
for the applicant.

1755
02:53:43,680 --> 02:53:54,960
And the reason why we're suggesting this
is if it's been if it's been a long

1756
02:53:51,279 --> 02:54:01,600
time, a a lot of times the our codes
have changed. Uh different circumstances

1757
02:53:58,880 --> 02:54:08,080
have changed. And so we we're
recommending a 180day

1758
02:54:04,560 --> 02:54:12,640
um limit for and and really it's it's a
clarification because state code does

1759
02:54:10,240 --> 02:54:17,840
allow us to expire applications within a
you know a reasonably reasonable time

1760
02:54:15,359 --> 02:54:23,120
but we haven't and we have expired
applications before in the past if

1761
02:54:19,680 --> 02:54:29,040
they've gone on for a year or I mean
just kind of a

1762
02:54:25,520 --> 02:54:33,840
a I'll just say a random amount of time.
We just want to standardize it and say

1763
02:54:31,200 --> 02:54:40,000
180 days. They can ask for a one-time
extension of 100 180 additional days

1764
02:54:37,920 --> 02:54:45,600
from whoever the approval authority is
for the application.

1765
02:54:42,240 --> 02:54:50,160
U but what this does is is it then it
would any expired application would have

1766
02:54:48,080 --> 02:54:54,880
to resubmit and they would have to they
wouldn't be vested under whatever the

1767
02:54:52,319 --> 02:54:58,080
code was previously. they'd have to
adhere to the

1768
02:54:57,040 --> 02:55:01,439
um what whatever [clears throat] the
code is at the time they they submit

1769
02:54:59,920 --> 02:55:08,640
application.
So pretty simple um ordinance

1770
02:55:05,279 --> 02:55:14,160
and it really there there's other times
that we have other time frames in our

1771
02:55:11,359 --> 02:55:20,319
code of like for example when you get
approval for preliminary plat

1772
02:55:17,200 --> 02:55:24,319
uh you have to within a year submit for
final plat. We have other kind of

1773
02:55:22,160 --> 02:55:30,080
deadlines, but really this is speaking
to applications where

1774
02:55:28,319 --> 02:55:34,640
either staff or it could be the
approval, you know, whoever the approval

1775
02:55:31,760 --> 02:55:40,080
authority, it could be council requests
some an update information that's

1776
02:55:37,680 --> 02:55:44,960
necessary for the application and it
just sits for 180 days or longer.

1777
02:55:42,880 --> 02:55:50,800
Nothing happens at at that point. It
would be expired. Um, and the onus would

1778
02:55:48,560 --> 02:55:54,800
be on the on the applicant to come
forward and say, "Hey, I need I need

1779
02:55:52,479 --> 02:56:00,319
some additional time. Can you grant me
another 180 days?" They could do that

1780
02:55:56,880 --> 02:56:04,399
and and they could be granted that
additional time, but both staff and

1781
02:56:02,479 --> 02:56:11,200
planning commission recommend approval
of this ordinance.

1782
02:56:07,680 --> 02:56:16,399
» Nathan, get a motion to approve
ordinance 2612 first reading. Motion

1783
02:56:14,240 --> 02:56:22,000
from Nick and second from Nick.
Discussion please. Nick question for

1784
02:56:18,800 --> 02:56:26,240
Levi. Does are we defining like does
this apply to all types of land use

1785
02:56:24,080 --> 02:56:27,840
applications or are so Yes.
>> Yes.

1786
02:56:26,560 --> 02:56:33,120
» So I want to paint a picture of an
example, right? Like we just had one

1787
02:56:29,920 --> 02:56:37,760
come through recently where we wanted to
we went through this rigorous process,

1788
02:56:34,640 --> 02:56:43,040
right, to update our code particular
board uh type of zoning. remember and so

1789
02:56:41,600 --> 02:56:46,960
this was an annexation right that
happened I remember this was like in

1790
02:56:45,040 --> 02:56:50,399
discussion two years ago almost right
this are you talking this would apply in

1791
02:56:48,960 --> 02:56:55,520
that example where
>> well in that in that specific example

1792
02:56:52,640 --> 02:57:00,479
the one with cart the cartner that they
submitted a new application anyway they

1793
02:56:58,000 --> 02:57:04,080
had a new
>> that that that old application ended up

1794
02:57:02,880 --> 02:57:08,160
getting
>> denied by the council and they submitted

1795
02:57:06,160 --> 02:57:13,840
a new application they it got denied
because of their request they had a new

1796
02:57:10,399 --> 02:57:20,720
application. So, that one
I I guess it wouldn't apply because

1797
02:57:17,040 --> 02:57:25,279
because the the application was already
there there was a new one.

1798
02:57:22,000 --> 02:57:31,520
» Yeah. I love this directive because just
the kind of

1799
02:57:28,560 --> 02:57:36,399
we're not legislating here
in there, but just the like the idea of

1800
02:57:34,560 --> 02:57:40,640
like, hey, I'm going to apply this time
and I want to sit on it. Well, you guys

1801
02:57:38,560 --> 02:57:48,080
do whatever you do, but I still want to
perceive as though we won't be able

1802
02:57:43,840 --> 02:57:52,399
to stand with you. We even allow that
just like no, you say it all the time.

1803
02:57:50,160 --> 02:57:58,399
Your coach's changing.
>> So, I just feel like it's kind of a

1804
02:57:55,520 --> 02:58:03,120
dangerous game that we navigate like
like that. It's like, oh gosh, now this

1805
02:58:00,160 --> 02:58:06,640
was a year and a half ago. Do don't do
you know, they applied under this

1806
02:58:04,399 --> 02:58:10,319
pretenses a year and a half ago, right?
So, do we want to grant them this versus

1807
02:58:08,640 --> 02:58:16,479
no, the city is going in a totally new
direction now?

1808
02:58:12,399 --> 02:58:21,600
» So, yeah, I like this quite a bit. And I
think the words in the draft talk about

1809
02:58:20,080 --> 02:58:27,920
I'm not sure if they use this word, but
it has to be

1810
02:58:24,240 --> 02:58:32,960
days. Nothing we see from applicants for
days. So if it doesn't mean they have to

1811
02:58:31,120 --> 02:58:38,800
have this all wrapped up with the 180
days because there's a submit

1812
02:58:35,920 --> 02:58:44,200
process submit
but if it's dormant for 180 days then

1813
02:58:44,800 --> 02:58:52,479
one more question. So if let's say it's
dormant that period of time Levi and

1814
02:58:49,359 --> 02:59:00,160
they what kind of a new information
would trigger in your mind a successful

1815
02:58:57,120 --> 02:59:04,080
extension right because again like is a
successful extension a we're still

1816
02:59:02,640 --> 02:59:08,960
thinking about this or do they have to
physically like provide something so

1817
02:59:05,840 --> 02:59:13,279
that you know the city it's it's
fulfilling the spirit of what this is

1818
02:59:11,040 --> 02:59:17,359
because what I want to avoid again is
just saying hey I'm coming back 180 days

1819
02:59:15,680 --> 02:59:21,680
later, we're still thinking about it,
right? I don't want that to be, you

1820
02:59:19,760 --> 02:59:25,279
know, something that we would say, okay,
based on this thing, I'm going to grant

1821
02:59:23,359 --> 02:59:28,560
you another 180 days when in theory, we
could be working through a lot of stuff

1822
02:59:27,279 --> 02:59:32,880
at that time, right?
>> Yeah. It just says demonstrating good

1823
02:59:30,640 --> 02:59:34,640
cause for the delay. So, it could be a
lot of different reasons.

1824
02:59:33,563 --> 02:59:38,800
[clears throat]
>> That would be

1825
02:59:36,880 --> 02:59:46,279
» it would be whoever the land use
authority is for the application. So

1826
02:59:41,600 --> 02:59:46,279
they have to maybe go back

1827
02:59:49,279 --> 02:59:55,720
» question. How many uh applications would
you say

1828
02:59:55,840 --> 02:59:58,840
that

1829
02:59:59,359 --> 03:00:07,120
did leave? He's taking tabs of this
better than I have to be honest. Um I

1830
03:00:04,560 --> 03:00:11,040
» a handful three or four.
>> It's not a lot of cup.

1831
03:00:08,479 --> 03:00:16,319
» Yeah, three or four maybe. Okay. Can we
before second reading

1832
03:00:13,279 --> 03:00:19,960
um ask an attorney
if this will be

1833
03:00:23,920 --> 03:00:30,479
» essentially not?
>> Yeah. Is it retroactive?

1834
03:00:28,080 --> 03:00:35,279
» Do you want that to be retroactive? So,
do you are you asking staff to add

1835
03:00:32,240 --> 03:00:40,560
language that makes it retroactive or
>> I'm asking us to make sure that that's

1836
03:00:37,120 --> 03:00:45,760
legal for us.
Okay.

1837
03:00:42,160 --> 03:00:50,040
» And if it is leaking, sure.
>> I take it out and put it in.

1838
03:00:50,640 --> 03:00:54,560
» I got it.
>> Thanks.

1839
03:00:51,840 --> 03:00:58,560
» I exactly the same question. What do Do
people have I mean, you know, when

1840
03:00:57,120 --> 03:01:04,080
somebody asks you to do something, it's
always a good idea. the person asking it

1841
03:01:00,640 --> 03:01:10,560
should say I'll like this done by you
know and if that time expires is it fair

1842
03:01:08,000 --> 03:01:14,960
to come back and say well
I wanted this done by last week so

1843
03:01:12,640 --> 03:01:22,479
therefore your request
didn't have that deal in I didn't

1844
03:01:18,000 --> 03:01:26,560
understand that in now you know I'm
speaking as if a boss had asked me to do

1845
03:01:24,640 --> 03:01:31,680
something and it's a little different
when someone's in a land use application

1846
03:01:30,000 --> 03:01:39,439
they need to keep performing. So I think
the breath question is very very good.

1847
03:01:36,240 --> 03:01:47,279
» Yeah. I mean how it works in practice
now when it's gone on for a long time, a

1848
03:01:42,800 --> 03:01:52,399
year longer and nothing's happened. A
lot of times what I'll do is I I'll say

1849
03:01:49,279 --> 03:01:58,399
you have 30 days to submit this and if
you don't this is considered inactive.

1850
03:01:56,479 --> 03:02:04,080
And I don't really like that because
it's pretty arbitrary, but at some point

1851
03:02:01,920 --> 03:02:10,120
we do need to do that. And this this
would help us have a definitive time

1852
03:02:07,120 --> 03:02:10,120
frame.

1853
03:02:11,120 --> 03:02:19,680
» Yeah.
>> Okay. For

1854
03:02:16,720 --> 03:02:24,960
here's a question for you by you guys do
all this for a living. This is what you

1855
03:02:22,080 --> 03:02:30,479
do and you you understand this much more
than I do. Do you want the additional

1856
03:02:27,600 --> 03:02:34,319
180 days or do you feel like we probably
should put it in there as a city

1857
03:02:32,160 --> 03:02:38,560
planner?
You know, you're ask and you're asking

1858
03:02:36,720 --> 03:02:44,080
for an extension that's double that's
the same time

1859
03:02:40,800 --> 03:02:50,200
180 plus 180, but do you personally feel
like the new doing your job, you don't

1860
03:02:46,240 --> 03:02:50,200
let these guys have an extension?

1861
03:02:51,120 --> 03:02:58,640
» I don't know. Do you have any input on
that, Tom? I don't. Fire.

1862
03:02:55,840 --> 03:03:01,200
If I remember right, one draft said 90
days.

1863
03:02:59,439 --> 03:03:06,399
» It did. Yeah, the first draft said 90. I
think you suggested 180, but

1864
03:03:02,720 --> 03:03:10,080
» yeah, it just historically it seemed 180
days seemed reasonable. Some of these

1865
03:03:08,240 --> 03:03:16,640
larger developments can take a lot of
time to to develop the the transaction

1866
03:03:13,840 --> 03:03:21,760
and the research that's needed, the
betting hurry that's needed. So, if

1867
03:03:19,120 --> 03:03:25,680
they're actively working on it, 180 days
later, say, "Hey, we're getting close.

1868
03:03:23,040 --> 03:03:29,840
We want to extinction. I think it's
reasonable, but we want it shorter.

1869
03:03:28,080 --> 03:03:35,600
» Well, I just want to know if that's if
is what you want, but you have to have

1870
03:03:33,520 --> 03:03:38,960
longer time. If you want to shorten it,
but it's fair

1871
03:03:37,920 --> 03:03:43,680
support, whatever you
>> I think it's a balance because we don't

1872
03:03:42,240 --> 03:03:48,720
we don't want them sitting on their
thumbs and submitting something and not

1873
03:03:46,240 --> 03:03:53,040
when they're not actually ready. But at
the same time, it's almost more painful

1874
03:03:50,319 --> 03:03:57,520
to have to start the process over again
for all parties, you know? So,

1875
03:03:56,160 --> 03:04:01,920
I think that's kind of the balance
there. It's better if we can move

1876
03:03:59,120 --> 03:04:06,040
forward than
>> Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

1877
03:04:13,439 --> 03:04:23,439
» Ready to vote. We're free. Okay. Those
in favor of advanced second be we say I

1878
03:04:20,080 --> 03:04:27,960
oppose. Five in favor post. Perfect.
Thanks Lev by Donald.

1879
03:04:28,720 --> 03:04:33,479
Okay I think we're down to council
reports.

1880
03:04:34,960 --> 03:04:44,560
» You know I just um again I want to thank
Tom and everybody last Jersey barriers

1881
03:04:41,760 --> 03:04:48,800
like water and they're not taken down.
You know, you can tell that that's not

1882
03:04:45,840 --> 03:04:54,319
going to be destroyed or and so I think
they work wonders. Across the street on

1883
03:04:52,399 --> 03:05:00,080
the east side of 12 west, we got a p
house through that pub area.

1884
03:04:56,800 --> 03:05:03,600
» Is there a plan to try to enclose that a
little? It's kind of it's invested and

1885
03:05:02,000 --> 03:05:10,560
you see kids looking in there. Is there
anything we can do to secure that area?

1886
03:05:07,600 --> 03:05:13,840
» This is the irrigation company.
>> They're not. So, we're going to if you

1887
03:05:12,319 --> 03:05:16,399
want us to, we'll go do it, but they're
not good.

1888
03:05:14,960 --> 03:05:20,680
» What? Whatever you guys think. But at
least it is kind of messy. And

1889
03:05:20,960 --> 03:05:28,120
» is the fence panels not on or what's
>> the fence is dilapitated?

1890
03:05:30,800 --> 03:05:36,960
» I wonder.
>> Yeah, they're not going to do anything.

1891
03:05:35,279 --> 03:05:42,680
So, if you want us to, we'll figure
we'll come up with a plan how much it's

1892
03:05:38,880 --> 03:05:42,680
going to cost and come back.

1893
03:05:53,279 --> 03:05:56,279
Okay.

1894
03:05:57,359 --> 03:06:05,520
I don't think the canal board meetings
are open and public meetings. In fact,

1895
03:06:02,720 --> 03:06:11,359
they're they're not an arm of the
government. So, they're not committed by

1896
03:06:08,800 --> 03:06:17,920
meeting.
I mean, I think they have responsibility

1897
03:06:14,960 --> 03:06:22,399
for safety
and that's why I think one option we

1898
03:06:20,479 --> 03:06:27,200
should look at is taking out their fence
that's still advocated

1899
03:06:24,640 --> 03:06:33,040
and then that puts the responsibility
for safety on them, I think. But I don't

1900
03:06:29,920 --> 03:06:36,160
want to get kids hurt.
>> Yeah, they would disagree.

1901
03:06:36,044 --> 03:06:39,200
[laughter]
>> They're not going to do anything. Well,

1902
03:06:37,040 --> 03:06:44,479
thank you for helping stay at the canal
board.

1903
03:06:40,880 --> 03:06:50,279
Okay, Randy, anything else? Nick, happy
birthday, Nick. Help me other than when

1904
03:06:46,880 --> 03:06:50,279
you're older, right?

1905
03:06:51,439 --> 03:06:58,200
There you go. And I made a list of a few
things by left office

1906
03:06:59,600 --> 03:07:04,200
trying my brain up.

1907
03:07:06,800 --> 03:07:14,399
terrible
such things but I guess nothing really

1908
03:07:11,840 --> 03:07:18,560
okay if they come up and it's you know
stuff to take up with staff just reach

1909
03:07:16,319 --> 03:07:26,560
out to them like you know they
appreciate that

1910
03:07:21,600 --> 03:07:32,720
» we got an email from Autumn Zerber few
days ago Wednesday yesterday about a

1911
03:07:30,319 --> 03:07:38,800
landscaping partnership opportunity did
anybody respond to

1912
03:07:35,040 --> 03:07:44,240
You want me to or you two?
>> Yeah. Mayor Mayor reached out to Rod and

1913
03:07:42,319 --> 03:07:50,000
I on that port forwarded on to us and
we're we have a meeting on Monday to

1914
03:07:47,200 --> 03:07:56,160
talk about this with with Becky Jagger
as well. So, just to vet some ideas and

1915
03:07:54,880 --> 03:07:59,920
» with
>> Well, I think we're we're doing it kind

1916
03:07:58,080 --> 03:08:04,880
of more internally first and then we'll
we'll talk to Autumn first. We just kind

1917
03:08:02,000 --> 03:08:09,520
of want to see I mean, if anyone has
ideas, we can put that into the

1918
03:08:07,520 --> 03:08:12,520
discussion.
>> Yeah.

1919
03:08:15,439 --> 03:08:21,439
» Yeah. We'll
I Well, were you going to res respond to

1920
03:08:20,240 --> 03:08:25,359
her?
>> I don't know.

1921
03:08:22,319 --> 03:08:31,120
» My goal is to have
I think one of my versions of emails was

1922
03:08:28,479 --> 03:08:34,080
we meaning not me should respond to
Autumn.

1923
03:08:31,840 --> 03:08:37,680
» Yeah. And I might have taken out the not
me. [laughter]

1924
03:08:35,520 --> 03:08:41,840
» Okay.
I'm I'm h I'm happy to respond to her

1925
03:08:40,880 --> 03:08:44,240
and just
>> and then follow up based on our

1926
03:08:43,359 --> 03:08:46,800
conversation.
to follow up with a lot of

1927
03:08:45,920 --> 03:08:53,640
» Yeah,
>> I I'll talk to Rod and see who wants to

1928
03:08:48,720 --> 03:08:53,640
be kind of the point of contact for

1929
03:09:01,520 --> 03:09:09,200
» Yes. details about what this is about.
We're going to probably set up

1930
03:09:08,000 --> 03:09:14,160
after you guys discuss.
>> Okay, sounds good.

1931
03:09:11,439 --> 03:09:19,439
» No, that's good. I I think we should
present a unified from neighbor city. So

1932
03:09:17,359 --> 03:09:23,120
Nick, you're welcome to be part of
>> Yeah. Do you want to do you want to come

1933
03:09:20,720 --> 03:09:23,840
to the meeting if you're available on
Monday?

1934
03:09:23,520 --> 03:09:27,880
» Sure.
>> Yeah, I can invite you. Yeah.

1935
03:09:29,120 --> 03:09:37,560
» The only reason Becky's involved because
she was thinking about some pollinator

1936
03:09:33,359 --> 03:09:37,560
garden stuff like

1937
03:09:37,840 --> 03:09:47,000
that. It's not because I'm her husband.
you have to be qualified through co

1938
03:09:44,000 --> 03:09:47,000
expertise.

1939
03:09:47,279 --> 03:09:55,200
Um the other thing I just I don't think
I ever told you Cheryl about you told me

1940
03:09:51,680 --> 03:09:58,200
in October and you're probably I want to
go

1941
03:09:59,040 --> 03:10:03,399
» that's okay. Thank you.

1942
03:10:07,600 --> 03:10:17,760
Um, I was asked last meeting questions
about my involvement in county indoor

1943
03:10:14,880 --> 03:10:22,730
recreation study. You say it like it's a
dirty thing.

1944
03:10:20,711 --> 03:10:22,730
[laughter]

1945
03:10:23,840 --> 03:10:30,399
» Happy to report some information for
those that are interested. uh from what

1946
03:10:28,319 --> 03:10:36,720
I understand that first committee looked
very ad hoc never actually

1947
03:10:34,240 --> 03:10:42,080
authorization to give a recommendation
to the candidate. So that's one reason

1948
03:10:38,800 --> 03:10:46,240
this new one has been created.
Part of that was the operating of that

1949
03:10:43,840 --> 03:10:51,520
committee was showed up. That's what the
plan is. Then it's not helpful for

1950
03:10:49,200 --> 03:10:56,800
consultants
is what hold the meeting public. who is

1951
03:10:54,240 --> 03:11:00,680
speaking this meeting or it's this
information just

1952
03:11:01,439 --> 03:11:09,040
» the representatives from UCBO and some
of the people

1953
03:11:05,840 --> 03:11:13,439
» in the room that were part of that
>> they were part of the previous

1954
03:11:11,680 --> 03:11:22,560
» Yeah.
Um they identified three goals

1955
03:11:17,040 --> 03:11:27,600
four and a half. Um essentially to look
at the recommendations as as far as the

1956
03:11:24,800 --> 03:11:31,920
consultants have got in their basic um
answer the question of

1957
03:11:30,000 --> 03:11:36,800
facilities
what those amenities might be possible

1958
03:11:34,640 --> 03:11:41,160
locations all those kind of things
whether or not it's even stom

1959
03:11:41,200 --> 03:11:52,560
and then the operation. So essentially
finishing out phase two of the

1960
03:11:49,200 --> 03:11:57,920
stud they were contracted for and
so

1961
03:11:54,800 --> 03:12:05,840
is the idea and the committee has too
much

1962
03:12:00,160 --> 03:12:10,240
to do what make a recommendation for the
council to

1963
03:12:08,080 --> 03:12:15,680
do and I think they timed it that way so
that cities wanted to continue.

1964
03:12:14,160 --> 03:12:20,080
They say there's still time to get
something on the ballot here.

1965
03:12:18,479 --> 03:12:26,279
Not [clears throat] likely, but it does
give the council the opportunity, the

1966
03:12:21,520 --> 03:12:26,279
county council to put it on board

1967
03:12:29,120 --> 03:12:38,600
2028,
November 2028. So either cities or the

1968
03:12:34,960 --> 03:12:38,600
council would be

1969
03:12:39,359 --> 03:12:44,920
just met once the idea and plan was to
meet weekly.

1970
03:12:45,200 --> 03:12:51,439
Is that committee subject to open
meetings after?

1971
03:12:48,640 --> 03:13:00,160
» Yeah, we were sworn in and subject to
race. So the agendas and meetings will

1972
03:12:55,920 --> 03:13:04,160
be posted under who's
all

1973
03:13:01,439 --> 03:13:10,880
» I had the same question that we were
that kind of a committee but I think

1974
03:13:08,800 --> 03:13:18,219
» people whose job
>> I'm suggesting and then people would be

1975
03:13:15,760 --> 03:13:23,359
okay thanks for serving that yeah
[clears throat] no

1976
03:13:19,920 --> 03:13:26,359
excited for something.
>> Um,

1977
03:13:26,880 --> 03:13:36,359
I think that's it. Well, you
should you participate in a biking top.

1978
03:13:41,144 --> 03:13:47,760
[laughter]
Um, let me let me just say that we've

1979
03:13:45,760 --> 03:13:52,319
Justin and Chad and I have briefly
discussed, you know, what does this need

1980
03:13:50,000 --> 03:13:55,600
for Nigley on
>> Yeah.

1981
03:13:53,359 --> 03:14:02,560
» on what the county is doing and I think,
you know, you heard it from Kendall,

1982
03:13:59,760 --> 03:14:09,120
heard from lots of residents.
What's the deal? I think I'll give

1983
03:14:05,920 --> 03:14:12,960
Justin credit. We we I won't talk about
it now because we do have a steering

1984
03:14:10,800 --> 03:14:18,560
committee with objectives and things to
do. So um we'll get the steering

1985
03:14:16,560 --> 03:14:26,439
committee back together and discuss
proposals

1986
03:14:20,720 --> 03:14:26,439
about what NI said

1987
03:14:28,640 --> 03:14:32,279
you mentioning K.

1988
03:14:32,800 --> 03:14:43,279
Uh I went to the wreck meeting yesterday
rec meeting meeting yesterday for the

1989
03:14:39,120 --> 03:14:48,880
opening part and uh there was
conversation about uh some struggles

1990
03:14:45,680 --> 03:14:54,279
that I'm having with rups back here as
well as vista's brain

1991
03:14:57,920 --> 03:15:04,479
circles
on I didn't know if that was something

1992
03:15:02,800 --> 03:15:06,239
They need our assistance finding their
stat.

1993
03:15:04,880 --> 03:15:09,040
» Hey, I missed the first part of the
>> So, first part is grubs.

1994
03:15:08,640 --> 03:15:13,760
» Ah,
>> in these fields

1995
03:15:11,359 --> 03:15:18,319
that set is pretty much
they feel confident it's going to be

1996
03:15:15,200 --> 03:15:22,160
okay. Um, then the other was just boring
pressure. No, this

1997
03:15:20,160 --> 03:15:25,520
» if it's if it's staff handling it. I
just thought it was I was there so I was

1998
03:15:23,760 --> 03:15:31,359
like, "Oh, is there something we need
help?" Well, um, so interesting enough,

1999
03:15:28,880 --> 03:15:34,960
um, it's difficult to say, I think, for
sure because I I went through this in my

2000
03:15:33,200 --> 03:15:39,520
own lawn. It's like, I'm going to be a
great example. I'm going to burn my lawn

2001
03:15:36,560 --> 03:15:44,800
up and I'm going to save all this water
and um,

2002
03:15:42,479 --> 03:15:49,520
I only lasted half the summer and then I
just dumped water back on it. And it's

2003
03:15:47,600 --> 03:15:53,439
hard to tell the difference between
water conservation measures and insect

2004
03:15:52,319 --> 03:15:57,760
pest problems.
>> Yeah. And so I I can't say we know for

2005
03:15:56,239 --> 03:16:01,200
sure. I haven't really talked to Rod
about this problem. So I need to get

2006
03:15:58,960 --> 03:16:05,359
with him and maybe do some followup. But
um it's hard to differentiate the two

2007
03:16:03,040 --> 03:16:09,840
while it's happening. Hell, things start
greening back up and for some reason

2008
03:16:06,960 --> 03:16:15,479
parts aren't green back up. So I will
get with Rod on that and maybe shoot you

2009
03:16:11,840 --> 03:16:15,479
an email or something.

2010
03:16:18,720 --> 03:16:28,000
» All right. So, Bike Utah, Lei and I have
been at the Bike Utah Summit.

2011
03:16:24,960 --> 03:16:32,800
Bike Utah is more than the name implies.
It's it's an advocacy group for active

2012
03:16:30,720 --> 03:16:39,359
transportation, including pedestrian
trails and and bikes. Um,

2013
03:16:37,600 --> 03:16:44,880
I
went because I was on a discussion panel

2014
03:16:42,000 --> 03:16:49,920
with
mayor of Carowan and Provo. The topic

2015
03:16:48,160 --> 03:16:55,600
was
from city streets to city hall. How

2016
03:16:53,359 --> 03:17:02,439
three Utah mayors are turning active
transportation vision into reality.

2017
03:16:58,720 --> 03:17:02,439
» That's us we're doing.

2018
03:17:04,000 --> 03:17:10,091
» Slowly.
>> Well, thank you. [clears throat] I don't

2019
03:17:06,800 --> 03:17:12,560
know. That's I didn't have much to say.
>> [laughter]

2020
03:17:10,640 --> 03:17:23,200
» I actually thought the panel discussion
was was was great. And um

2021
03:17:17,920 --> 03:17:29,040
to me I I look at what keeps that
transformation from vision to reality

2022
03:17:25,760 --> 03:17:36,239
from happening and I think it falls into
two categories.

2023
03:17:31,439 --> 03:17:41,840
Um, it's either funding limitations to
build the infrastructure

2024
03:17:38,239 --> 03:17:49,840
or it's a cultural change
from citizens

2025
03:17:44,640 --> 03:17:56,960
to to embrace active transportation.
And it was it was quite different for

2026
03:17:53,520 --> 03:18:02,560
Parawan than it was for Provo than it
was from my perspective for Nibbley.

2027
03:18:00,560 --> 03:18:07,520
Um,
Provo

2028
03:18:04,080 --> 03:18:12,080
has funding limitations in part because
they're a builtout town and so when they

2029
03:18:10,319 --> 03:18:17,120
want to in incorporate active
transportation, they're there are big

2030
03:18:14,319 --> 03:18:20,960
costs involved, especially when they're
a builtout town with limited space. They

2031
03:18:19,279 --> 03:18:26,080
also they also have a lot of students
that want transportation, so they're

2032
03:18:23,120 --> 03:18:31,760
motivated to do that. Parowan being more
of a resort type destination.

2033
03:18:30,239 --> 03:18:38,239
Um
they're also a infrastructure

2034
03:18:34,960 --> 03:18:44,000
pay uh uh financing limit because they
want to

2035
03:18:39,920 --> 03:18:50,000
they want to build things for tourists
as you know when they come down and so

2036
03:18:47,840 --> 03:18:55,600
they're talking about long trails and
you know big things where from my

2037
03:18:52,160 --> 03:19:00,800
perspective nibly it's more of a uh we
don't have the infrastructure cost

2038
03:18:58,800 --> 03:19:08,479
limitations like these other towns
because we're making developers build

2039
03:19:04,000 --> 03:19:14,000
our trail system for us. Now, um
the one case where the developer is not

2040
03:19:10,720 --> 03:19:18,640
doing it, golly, the
department of transportation is willing

2041
03:19:15,680 --> 03:19:24,560
to put $4 million into not a midle trail
system, but into the bikes for Utah

2042
03:19:21,520 --> 03:19:28,800
trail network. So, so I think and you
all have been part of the discussion

2043
03:19:26,239 --> 03:19:36,080
from my perspective.
uh Nimble's limitation [clears throat]

2044
03:19:31,600 --> 03:19:40,880
is about a culture change and maybe we
don't want a culture change. That's the

2045
03:19:38,000 --> 03:19:44,880
kind of thing that we you know we deal
with as elected representatives and

2046
03:19:42,960 --> 03:19:50,720
that's what that's why we write plans
and that's why we have um

2047
03:19:48,720 --> 03:19:58,640
we have meetings about public input and
all that kind of stuff. But certainly,

2048
03:19:54,800 --> 03:20:04,000
you know, the two hardest things that
I've been involved with in city

2049
03:20:01,520 --> 03:20:08,160
government for 25 years, I think one of
them came just before I was involved

2050
03:20:05,680 --> 03:20:14,160
with city government. They revolved
around active transportation.

2051
03:20:11,840 --> 03:20:17,520
Um, one was out on Hollow Road and one
was called Flashfield. They don't have

2052
03:20:16,000 --> 03:20:27,040
to hide, right? That was [clears throat]
that was hard. And so my my objective

2053
03:20:22,880 --> 03:20:32,560
for speaking was not to be moan about
how hard the might pro the process might

2054
03:20:29,359 --> 03:20:38,000
be and how difficult it might be, but to
talk about lessons learned and things

2055
03:20:34,800 --> 03:20:44,239
that we could do differently or not do
at all.

2056
03:20:40,399 --> 03:20:49,760
Um and so so that was my focus.
And

2057
03:20:45,760 --> 03:20:57,760
one of those things was it's hard and I
told you this, it's it's hard for people

2058
03:20:53,760 --> 03:21:04,080
to understand what the impact of active
transportation is going to be to them as

2059
03:21:02,000 --> 03:21:08,640
car drivers.
We can't make space. We can only

2060
03:21:06,399 --> 03:21:13,200
allocate space or we can find new space
that doesn't doesn't affect car driver

2061
03:21:10,960 --> 03:21:18,479
so much. But
um I think 12 West Quest is a good

2062
03:21:15,600 --> 03:21:23,600
example of how what what we try to build
in not just for volume and space but for

2063
03:21:21,600 --> 03:21:30,640
safety
and barriers and all this stuff and and

2064
03:21:26,080 --> 03:21:36,560
and and I threw in um I added to the to
the to the discussion traffic combing

2065
03:21:33,840 --> 03:21:40,479
because I think traffic combing and
active transportation go hand in hand,

2066
03:21:38,720 --> 03:21:43,760
right?
So,

2067
03:21:42,080 --> 03:21:49,279
um
I think that

2068
03:21:46,960 --> 03:21:53,120
we need to do a better job of helping
people

2069
03:21:50,880 --> 03:21:59,680
understand what this is going to look
like when it's done, understand what the

2070
03:21:55,520 --> 03:22:04,800
impacts to them be when it's done.
I was speaking to a room of advocates.

2071
03:22:01,920 --> 03:22:12,960
I'll be very honest about that. And so I
also said we need to um

2072
03:22:08,960 --> 03:22:21,600
as local governments we need to
um make sure everyone is represented

2073
03:22:17,840 --> 03:22:25,920
when we have these discussions about
active transportation and the impacts on

2074
03:22:24,080 --> 03:22:30,479
cars.
And we need people, I mean, we filled a

2075
03:22:28,560 --> 03:22:35,359
room
full of people that want traffic calming

2076
03:22:32,720 --> 03:22:41,279
and active transportation protection on
8 West, Pent West, but those people need

2077
03:22:39,120 --> 03:22:44,239
to stay involved in the process if the
advocates

2078
03:22:42,835 --> 03:22:48,520
[clears throat] want for active
transportation, want to see it happen.

2079
03:22:48,880 --> 03:22:56,880
uh
related to that,

2080
03:22:53,120 --> 03:23:02,560
letting people understand what something
looks like before it's built.

2081
03:23:00,479 --> 03:23:07,760
Um
I'm very excited about a grant, and I

2082
03:23:06,160 --> 03:23:12,319
mentioned this to the group, Safe
Streets for All Grant from the Federal

2083
03:23:10,239 --> 03:23:17,680
Highway Administration,
$380,000

2084
03:23:14,000 --> 03:23:22,720
for demonstration projects. say, "Look,
this is what we're thinking about." have

2085
03:23:20,239 --> 03:23:26,239
both groups,
those that use active transportation and

2086
03:23:24,720 --> 03:23:31,200
those that don't, have a chance to see
what this looks like, see if if that's

2087
03:23:28,560 --> 03:23:41,279
something that's flying.
I I I happened to mention that um just

2088
03:23:36,239 --> 03:23:46,319
that weekend I uh read an article that
made me worry about our funding for that

2089
03:23:44,720 --> 03:23:51,760
because the Federal Highway
Administration

2090
03:23:49,120 --> 03:23:57,520
is moving funding from active
transportation projects

2091
03:23:54,640 --> 03:24:00,800
into well it's moving they're moving
away from active transportation

2092
03:23:59,120 --> 03:24:05,040
projects.
that were that were available in the

2093
03:24:02,720 --> 03:24:10,319
previous administration. And while I try
to keep federal politics out of local

2094
03:24:07,359 --> 03:24:16,880
politics, this one affects us.
I'm worried that will affect us. The the

2095
03:24:13,359 --> 03:24:22,319
quote from Sean Duffy, the
I'm going to get to it. I'm going to say

2096
03:24:18,720 --> 03:24:27,040
it. He said it. This was his quote on X
in July.

2097
03:24:24,239 --> 03:24:30,720
FHWA funds will no longer be used for
DEI bike lanes.

2098
03:24:31,680 --> 03:24:41,040
I don't know what the DEI bike lane is
as that standard. It's his quote.

2099
03:24:38,640 --> 03:24:45,359
And if I take the words that acronym,
I'm trying to figure out what's wrong

2100
03:24:42,960 --> 03:24:49,680
with that kind of bike lane. I'm
obviously an advocate for

2101
03:24:46,800 --> 03:24:54,800
transportation. I readily admit. So
anyway, that led me to say, look, I

2102
03:24:52,319 --> 03:25:00,000
think I think trail advocates have some
headwinds and we may not get the kind of

2103
03:24:57,520 --> 03:25:05,920
help from the federal government uh that
we used to. The the state government got

2104
03:25:03,120 --> 03:25:12,720
involved in
regulating bike lanes in Salt Lake City.

2105
03:25:10,560 --> 03:25:20,960
They put UD do in charge of reviewing
and approving active transportation

2106
03:25:15,520 --> 03:25:26,000
plans in a town that has in a town
happens to be Salt Lake City. Maybe

2107
03:25:22,560 --> 03:25:31,040
that's special, but that's been normally
reserved for local municipalities.

2108
03:25:29,520 --> 03:25:35,680
Though I think there may be some ethics
from the state level from what the

2109
03:25:32,720 --> 03:25:39,359
legislature has done. Anyway, the fact
that I mentioned the Federal Highway

2110
03:25:37,520 --> 03:25:45,439
Administration funds and it wasn't a
wasn't a big complaint. Um, there was

2111
03:25:42,960 --> 03:25:49,359
actually an employee of the Federal
Highway Administration at this

2112
03:25:47,200 --> 03:25:54,600
conference and she came up to me and she
said, "I'm one of the people you're

2113
03:25:51,359 --> 03:25:54,600
worried about."

2114
03:25:54,880 --> 03:26:01,359
And she said, "You're mad at." I didn't
want it be that way. She said, "I

2115
03:25:59,439 --> 03:26:05,680
checked on it. business grant is secure.
You will be receiving the money. It's

2116
03:26:02,880 --> 03:26:10,880
just it's just which Levi already said
it's the way.

2117
03:26:08,000 --> 03:26:17,200
So, I'm I'm still
I'm still excited to

2118
03:26:14,479 --> 03:26:24,960
to to use that money to let us
understand what the stuff looks like.

2119
03:26:21,279 --> 03:26:30,560
Um I was I really enjoyed the connection
that I made

2120
03:26:26,960 --> 03:26:36,239
with Rails to Trails Conservancy.
Uh Rails to Trails has been around for

2121
03:26:33,040 --> 03:26:40,560
60 years converting abandoned rail lines
into active transportation.

2122
03:26:38,640 --> 03:26:48,640
They have grown beyond that. I mean they
have a Washington DC to Washington state

2123
03:26:44,960 --> 03:26:53,520
national well to travel that we can go
right on on but they move beyond that

2124
03:26:51,760 --> 03:26:58,800
into
uh being a advocate for

2125
03:26:56,800 --> 03:27:06,479
anti-transportation whether it's
abandoned rail liner and there's a great

2126
03:27:03,120 --> 03:27:13,279
documentary that we got to watch on PBS
PBS produced it um I'm a cheapkate and

2127
03:27:10,239 --> 03:27:18,239
don't have any subscriptions to
anything.

2128
03:27:15,040 --> 03:27:21,040
And if you want to watch PBS shows now,
you actually have to go pay them or

2129
03:27:20,720 --> 03:27:26,319
really
>> have it as part of your hope just comes

2130
03:27:24,239 --> 03:27:28,319
along in chat.
>> Well, I guess the federal government

2131
03:27:27,600 --> 03:27:33,200
doesn't pay.
>> I don't know. Pay for it one day and

2132
03:27:31,693 --> 03:27:37,640
[clears throat]
>> invite the whole community. Invite the

2133
03:27:34,479 --> 03:27:37,640
whole community.

2134
03:27:38,239 --> 03:27:44,960
» That'd be a great move. the bike
>> with a theme.

2135
03:27:41,200 --> 03:27:50,800
» The thing that the thing that interested
me made me excited about connection to

2136
03:27:47,279 --> 03:27:55,840
the Rails of Trails Conservancy is
to learn that we're not really that much

2137
03:27:52,720 --> 03:28:03,200
different than anybody else. Rails to
Trails has been dealing with the thought

2138
03:28:00,160 --> 03:28:09,200
that nobody wants to trail next to their
backyard for 60 years.

2139
03:28:06,960 --> 03:28:13,600
This is not a new thing. It's not a new
thing in cash valley. It's not a new

2140
03:28:10,800 --> 03:28:20,160
thing in nipple. It's not a new thing at
all. And in fact, um,

2141
03:28:18,080 --> 03:28:28,239
major lawsuits
over land owned by the federal

2142
03:28:23,600 --> 03:28:34,399
government that had rail easements on
federal land that were used for trails,

2143
03:28:32,319 --> 03:28:39,760
uh, sorry, rails.
when those easements were abandoned by

2144
03:28:36,960 --> 03:28:45,200
railroad companies, what happens to the
land? Rails trail said, "Well, we know

2145
03:28:41,920 --> 03:28:51,520
we'll turn back transportation."
So, it's not only do people

2146
03:28:49,200 --> 03:28:55,279
not want a trail next to the backyard.
They'd rather not have they'd rather not

2147
03:28:53,680 --> 03:29:00,174
they'd rather have a train in their
backyard than have a trail in the back.

2148
03:28:58,154 --> 03:29:00,174
[laughter]

2149
03:29:00,239 --> 03:29:08,560
I grew up in Pocutello.
I know what it's like to live next door,

2150
03:29:05,600 --> 03:29:15,920
right? Anyway, um so it was good
conference. Um I answer questions if you

2151
03:29:12,080 --> 03:29:21,359
want. Uh more about
Yeah, that's awesome.

2152
03:29:19,439 --> 03:29:27,920
Christmas.
We had multiple times talked about

2153
03:29:25,120 --> 03:29:33,600
walking school buses, doing events like
that and I am on board, but uh is it

2154
03:29:32,080 --> 03:29:39,200
something schools aren't interested in
right now or is it just logistics or

2155
03:29:35,840 --> 03:29:44,479
plus planning yet or?
>> Yeah, we did bring it up to the schools.

2156
03:29:41,840 --> 03:29:53,040
It's been a while to I know to nibbly
elementary. We kind of focused on them

2157
03:29:47,120 --> 03:29:58,439
because they're an allw walk school and
yeah, they kind of bulked at it when we

2158
03:29:54,800 --> 03:29:58,439
talked about it. Well,

2159
03:29:58,560 --> 03:30:04,319
it's hard enough to get volunteers.
You're really going to get a vol. I

2160
03:30:01,680 --> 03:30:09,359
mean, I know the representatives, they
kind of kind of mentioned that, but

2161
03:30:07,840 --> 03:30:13,120
we we thought we thought it was a great
idea. I I don't know if they're going to

2162
03:30:10,800 --> 03:30:17,680
be the ones leading out if we want to if
we want to do that.

2163
03:30:15,279 --> 03:30:22,319
» This year is also excited about we got
two schools school have major problems

2164
03:30:20,399 --> 03:30:26,640
getting kids
school people complaining about traffic

2165
03:30:24,560 --> 03:30:30,239
and my
complaining about traffic. You are the

2166
03:30:28,080 --> 03:30:35,200
traffic [laughter]
you're part of a problem.

2167
03:30:33,040 --> 03:30:38,239
» I don't know. I curious. So it's all
right.

2168
03:30:36,399 --> 03:30:41,880
» Yeah. I think it would be great
>> personally, but

2169
03:30:44,880 --> 03:30:51,680
» and I don't have a big connection to
parents with kids in grade school

2170
03:30:48,880 --> 03:30:58,080
anymore, but when I had a chance, I've
asked parents about it

2171
03:30:54,080 --> 03:31:02,640
and my limited data set is one
encouraging that we're already doing

2172
03:31:00,239 --> 03:31:08,359
that. We don't need your help. And in
fact, it was couple of moms in two

2173
03:31:05,040 --> 03:31:08,359
different neighborhoods.

2174
03:31:08,399 --> 03:31:16,160
We're walking our kids to school. We
have the concerns. We take turns walking

2175
03:31:14,319 --> 03:31:22,960
our kids to school. So essentially,
they're doing the walking school bus.

2176
03:31:18,560 --> 03:31:28,239
And then the other parents were no.
So, so that's a culture change. That's

2177
03:31:25,680 --> 03:31:33,520
what we want to affect.
Um,

2178
03:31:31,040 --> 03:31:39,439
I'll just wrap this up with I was I
attempted to be very cognizant about the

2179
03:31:37,760 --> 03:31:44,960
um
the process we went through in NibLy

2180
03:31:41,120 --> 03:31:50,800
over 12 West and be very respectful of
the multiple points of view that were

2181
03:31:48,479 --> 03:31:55,680
that were presented both by the council
and by our residents.

2182
03:31:55,006 --> 03:32:00,720
» [snorts]
>> Well, I don't have to explain why. I try

2183
03:31:57,760 --> 03:32:04,080
to be very car say, look, people people
have feelings about this. Here's why

2184
03:32:02,479 --> 03:32:11,760
they feel that way. Here's why they told
us they feel that way. And um these are

2185
03:32:07,279 --> 03:32:15,560
the things that u lessons I think I
learned from going through

2186
03:32:15,760 --> 03:32:24,000
the other questions on that. Can I make
a comment on 12th West is just and I've

2187
03:32:21,760 --> 03:32:32,080
thought about this for a long time and
and I just I of course disagreed in

2188
03:32:28,479 --> 03:32:36,960
vacation about sign at 12 West and
you know the traffic calming

2189
03:32:35,120 --> 03:32:41,200
but I haven't disagreeed a lot of that.
I have never disagreed and always

2190
03:32:39,279 --> 03:32:46,160
supported and I think the mayor does a
fantastic job with trying to keep

2191
03:32:43,680 --> 03:32:52,000
everyone safe.
And I think that sincerity of that is is

2192
03:32:48,880 --> 03:32:58,640
so important that you care to keep the
pedestrians safe and the cyclist and the

2193
03:32:55,920 --> 03:33:04,800
driver safe. And so while I might
disagree with a lot of things on 12, I

2194
03:33:00,640 --> 03:33:09,200
never disagree with the intent
of what you've done.

2195
03:33:06,720 --> 03:33:13,120
and what you continue to.
I appreciate that.

2196
03:33:10,080 --> 03:33:18,640
» Well, thank you, Andy. We all share that
we we are responsible for public safety

2197
03:33:16,399 --> 03:33:26,000
and I have no doubt that that's exactly
what each of you on the council and what

2198
03:33:21,040 --> 03:33:33,520
staff is interested in as well. Um,
and I think that's why this this uh this

2199
03:33:30,080 --> 03:33:40,880
panel discussion was relevant.
It was we share that vision. We all want

2200
03:33:37,520 --> 03:33:45,120
that vision of safety and option for
transportation. [clears throat]

2201
03:33:42,160 --> 03:33:48,160
How do we get there? Right. And so I
know we're all we're going to we're

2202
03:33:46,800 --> 03:33:52,960
going to have differences of opinion.
We're going to have differences of ways

2203
03:33:49,439 --> 03:33:57,680
to to get there. And so um thank you for
saying that and and I'll share that

2204
03:33:54,800 --> 03:34:02,479
appreciation that I ask entire staff
that I just have to figure out how to do

2205
03:34:00,319 --> 03:34:07,279
it.
So

2206
03:34:04,239 --> 03:34:11,680
great. Um, briefly
economic I'm just moving on. Is that

2207
03:34:09,520 --> 03:34:16,800
okay? Levi, do you want to add to that?
>> No, thank you. That was good.

2208
03:34:14,319 --> 03:34:24,000
» Um,
governor's economic development

2209
03:34:20,560 --> 03:34:28,080
grants for rural counties are available
and open.

2210
03:34:26,239 --> 03:34:32,479
Uh,
you guys, I don't know if you have

2211
03:34:29,680 --> 03:34:34,880
anything in mind. I have something in
mind.

2212
03:34:33,520 --> 03:34:42,239
» What's it?
>> Um, this is a flyer right now, but I'm

2213
03:34:39,439 --> 03:34:48,399
going to go ahead and talk about I mean
talk to Justin about it. I

2214
03:34:46,160 --> 03:34:53,520
someone came across my email and said,
"Hey, you want to know about sales tax

2215
03:34:50,399 --> 03:34:58,960
in your city?" And I said, "Sure." sent
a contact, sent my contact in and then I

2216
03:34:56,319 --> 03:35:06,399
got a sales call
uh from a consultant whose job it is

2217
03:35:03,040 --> 03:35:10,399
to recruit
uh economic retail development to

2218
03:35:08,800 --> 03:35:15,600
cities.
They have presented a proposal. I'm not

2219
03:35:13,680 --> 03:35:20,239
sure that Nimley is all that different,
but I mean they did some research on it.

2220
03:35:17,760 --> 03:35:26,479
This wasn't just full call. They they
worked on it. Um

2221
03:35:24,080 --> 03:35:31,920
but again the proposal in a nutshell
comes down to like a three-year effort

2222
03:35:29,040 --> 03:35:37,200
to say we identify what type of
commercial especially retail commercial

2223
03:35:34,080 --> 03:35:41,600
would be viable in your town. Um these
are towns we've worked in, these are

2224
03:35:38,640 --> 03:35:47,040
companies that we have match made and
then we talk to you about how we can

2225
03:35:43,840 --> 03:35:50,640
make that introduction and how
we can connect with some of these

2226
03:35:48,479 --> 03:35:54,399
companies. So,
>> um,

2227
03:35:52,479 --> 03:35:57,920
it just so happened, well, of course
they're consultant. I want money

2228
03:35:56,049 --> 03:36:03,840
[clears throat]
$45,000 a year for three years kind of

2229
03:36:01,359 --> 03:36:09,439
thing after one year.
getting into more detail than I need to,

2230
03:36:06,319 --> 03:36:15,760
but I noticed the rural economic grant I
think is available for

2231
03:36:13,279 --> 03:36:22,319
um
uh economic development research to

2232
03:36:17,840 --> 03:36:26,399
connect with with companies maybe.
And I don't know if you got to talk

2233
03:36:23,760 --> 03:36:30,319
about things that you guys have in mind
now or we should get together and talk

2234
03:36:28,479 --> 03:36:34,000
about it. The reason I'm bringing it up
here, if anyone on council, we've got

2235
03:36:32,160 --> 03:36:38,640
I've got a phone call with you guys. I
know it sounds like,

2236
03:36:36,399 --> 03:36:43,439
you know, it's all pie in the sky, but
if someone just send me an email if you

2237
03:36:41,120 --> 03:36:47,120
wanted to be involved in a phone call
with these folks because I'd like to

2238
03:36:45,120 --> 03:36:52,479
have counsel
start.

2239
03:36:48,960 --> 03:36:56,800
It's on September 14.
>> I can give you a quick update on the

2240
03:36:54,000 --> 03:37:02,080
grant. We did actually submit for that
grant last year. Yeah. and we were

2241
03:36:59,680 --> 03:37:06,960
turned down even though we ranked pretty
high, scored fairly well. Part of what

2242
03:37:04,800 --> 03:37:10,960
the feedback we got is we were in the
talking about the blueprint. So now that

2243
03:37:09,120 --> 03:37:15,760
we've done the blueprint and this thing
is in the blueprint, we have a better

2244
03:37:12,720 --> 03:37:20,560
shot. So, we had planned on
requesting basically the same thing we

2245
03:37:18,239 --> 03:37:28,960
requested last time, which was a bunch
of water line to push water out 4,000

2246
03:37:24,800 --> 03:37:35,279
South and then north on 12 West
to help our new well and to help future

2247
03:37:32,160 --> 03:37:37,520
industrial zone
development.

2248
03:37:36,080 --> 03:37:40,479
» Yeah. So, infrastructure cost.
>> Yeah. And I think we submitted that

2249
03:37:38,960 --> 03:37:44,239
letter of intent today.
>> Oh, good. Good. Uh, I do not know if we

2250
03:37:42,560 --> 03:37:49,200
can submit for more than one. I guess we
I could find out about that, but we were

2251
03:37:47,680 --> 03:37:54,319
intending to move forward with that
project.

2252
03:37:50,239 --> 03:37:56,640
» Sherry Stevens number to brag on it. You
know, she was here with the blueprint.

2253
03:37:56,080 --> 03:38:01,760
» Yeah,
>> she was she's available for help.

2254
03:37:58,560 --> 03:38:06,319
» Yeah, she's been helping us with the not
>> been coordinating with her about this

2255
03:38:04,160 --> 03:38:10,720
consultant idea. I'm going to do that.
and say, "So, is this just a fly? Are

2256
03:38:08,000 --> 03:38:13,359
these guys, you know, is it is it money
well spent

2257
03:38:11,920 --> 03:38:18,960
» or are we just
>> we just talking to a consultant?"

2258
03:38:15,600 --> 03:38:25,399
» But I'm focused on
not only a plan, but actually taking

2259
03:38:22,080 --> 03:38:25,399
some steps.

2260
03:38:27,279 --> 03:38:31,439
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

2261
03:38:29,840 --> 03:38:33,520
» I think that'd be a good conversation to
have with Sher and

2262
03:38:32,640 --> 03:38:35,760
» Yeah. I
>> Yeah.

2263
03:38:33,920 --> 03:38:43,000
» Yeah. and she'll probably know these
guys. If not, that makes me nervous.

2264
03:38:39,439 --> 03:38:43,000
Okay, I'm done.

2265
03:38:44,080 --> 03:38:48,640
I
>> think I'm good. You You mentioned the

2266
03:38:46,080 --> 03:38:51,200
arcog grant. Um
yeah, I don't think I have anything new

2267
03:38:50,160 --> 03:38:56,239
else.
>> Appreciate you going to buy.

2268
03:38:53,200 --> 03:38:59,120
» Yeah, it was great.
Thank you.

2269
03:38:57,680 --> 03:39:01,600
» I wanted to give you an update. Nate
asked about this last meeting and I was

2270
03:39:00,399 --> 03:39:05,760
going to give an update at staff board
and then it just blew past it. So, I

2271
03:39:04,239 --> 03:39:10,960
apologize about that, but update on the
Nibbly Gardens Trail issue about selling

2272
03:39:08,319 --> 03:39:17,279
the property to the prop the adjacent
property owners. Um, honestly,

2273
03:39:14,880 --> 03:39:22,479
I hit that pretty hard right after those
discussions we had last there's been

2274
03:39:19,680 --> 03:39:28,640
some resistance honestly on paying for
the property. uh some support and some

2275
03:39:26,160 --> 03:39:32,720
questions and I'm just kind of honestly
got buried with fire and have not been

2276
03:39:30,960 --> 03:39:35,359
able to focus uh
>> much fire

2277
03:39:34,000 --> 03:39:39,760
» consumed [clears throat] by fire and
really haven't had much time to really

2278
03:39:38,080 --> 03:39:45,279
dig into the issue but I did just send
you an email Levi um so anyway it's

2279
03:39:43,600 --> 03:39:48,560
slowed
um I don't know that we have a real time

2280
03:39:47,120 --> 03:39:51,600
crunch other than there's a little bit
of momentum there I'd like to keep it as

2281
03:39:50,000 --> 03:39:57,760
much as we can and try to get somewhere
something done Uh the other announcement

2282
03:39:54,560 --> 03:40:02,720
I have is that the sheriff has employed
a code enforcement officer and pretty

2283
03:40:00,880 --> 03:40:08,560
excited about the direction we're going.
He is former law enforcement um been

2284
03:40:05,760 --> 03:40:14,560
well trained in the field and former
negotiator and really understands the

2285
03:40:11,439 --> 03:40:18,399
message that uh we delivered about being
out there in the community and engaging

2286
03:40:16,720 --> 03:40:23,279
the community and you know working
towards compliance. we're not just out

2287
03:40:20,319 --> 03:40:26,880
there with a stick and tickets and you
know he got it, he understood it. He's

2288
03:40:25,040 --> 03:40:32,880
excited about it and excited to get
going. So staff's going to meet with him

2289
03:40:29,439 --> 03:40:36,960
on Tuesday, the whole uh front desk
staff to kind of talk about some

2290
03:40:34,479 --> 03:40:40,080
preliminary kind of upfront things where
people can call in with complaints or

2291
03:40:38,640 --> 03:40:43,279
concerns and things, some forms that
they've already got built at the

2292
03:40:41,200 --> 03:40:47,359
sheriff's office and whatnot. Levi will
and I will follow up with some of the

2293
03:40:44,720 --> 03:40:50,160
backend stuff. what happens when none of
that works and we have to get to the

2294
03:40:48,720 --> 03:40:53,279
point of citation. There's some things I
think we need to tie up there to make

2295
03:40:51,359 --> 03:40:58,720
sure we're on the right track. And then
they we are planning to have uh

2296
03:40:56,319 --> 03:41:03,680
tentatively I'm getting head nods so far
to have the code enforcement officer as

2297
03:41:00,800 --> 03:41:10,160
well as our animal uh enforcement
officer as well as the new town caller

2298
03:41:07,520 --> 03:41:14,160
deputy if you will here at our next city
council meeting for you all to meet them

2299
03:41:12,000 --> 03:41:17,760
and be able to ask any question you
have. So, I'm I'm started working on

2300
03:41:15,760 --> 03:41:23,040
that this afternoon. Had good results so
far. So, hopefully that'll happen in

2301
03:41:19,520 --> 03:41:28,560
September uh at that meeting. So, uh
other than that, I don't know what do

2302
03:41:25,040 --> 03:41:33,840
you want to say about fire. Um
I'm optimistic about this whole process.

2303
03:41:31,359 --> 03:41:39,680
We've gone from
I think cities very contentious with one

2304
03:41:36,000 --> 03:41:44,720
another at the beginning. Um
cities and counties being contentious

2305
03:41:41,760 --> 03:41:49,040
with one another.
I think by sitting down and actually

2306
03:41:47,279 --> 03:41:54,720
working on things and working out
details, I think that

2307
03:41:52,000 --> 03:42:00,160
um we're going to end up at a good place
for fire protection in EMS

2308
03:41:57,600 --> 03:42:07,840
and it's one that
I'm excited about for nibbly because

2309
03:42:04,880 --> 03:42:15,600
one way or another it leads to a path
for ownership

2310
03:42:10,160 --> 03:42:21,840
of the provider of those services and
the fire district

2311
03:42:18,880 --> 03:42:26,880
involvement resurrection from the ashes
of 1965 actually

2312
03:42:25,200 --> 03:42:31,040
is helping
helping us with helping us potentially

2313
03:42:29,359 --> 03:42:34,800
get there. I shouldn't have said
anything. It's in the it's in the

2314
03:42:32,399 --> 03:42:37,120
newsletter. So
>> did that.

2315
03:42:36,560 --> 03:42:42,479
» Yeah.
>> If I'm not consistent between what I

2316
03:42:38,880 --> 03:42:47,920
just said and what's in the big
>> still the details

2317
03:42:45,040 --> 03:42:54,800
we're working out and we'll come to you
obviously for approval of all this once

2318
03:42:50,880 --> 03:42:58,439
we understand what the options are.
>> Well, so that

2319
03:42:58,720 --> 03:43:06,640
Thomas just a couple things.
We're winding down on the transportation

2320
03:43:04,080 --> 03:43:10,239
master plan update. We we've had we've
been collecting public comment for

2321
03:43:08,800 --> 03:43:16,640
several months. We're going to shut that
down about the middle of next month. And

2322
03:43:14,560 --> 03:43:22,000
mayor, I talked about this earlier. I'd
like to have a joint meeting with the

2323
03:43:18,720 --> 03:43:27,920
planning commission and the city council
on September 24th if possible.

2324
03:43:26,239 --> 03:43:32,479
I believe that's a Thursday that's in
between the planning commission and and

2325
03:43:30,000 --> 03:43:35,680
the city council meeting. It it's a it's
a planning commission meeting.

2326
03:43:34,160 --> 03:43:39,840
» It is a planning commission meeting. So
I stand corrected.

2327
03:43:37,279 --> 03:43:42,640
» I think that's fine. We'd love to see
everyone there. So we're going to

2328
03:43:41,120 --> 03:43:46,160
present where we are with the
transportation master plan has been

2329
03:43:44,319 --> 03:43:51,120
making really good progress. We'll
display the functional classification

2330
03:43:47,760 --> 03:43:56,399
map at that time. Some some phase one
proposed projects for road improvements

2331
03:43:53,520 --> 03:44:01,279
and road or road network.
We'll present some cross-sections. I've

2332
03:43:59,600 --> 03:44:06,399
asked them to also talk how the
transportation master plan is going to

2333
03:44:04,000 --> 03:44:12,960
mesh with the alternative or the
alternate transportation plan and trail

2334
03:44:10,800 --> 03:44:17,199
network and everything else. So, it's
going to be great. It's kind of

2335
03:44:14,800 --> 03:44:21,760
precursor to future meetings where we're
going to be considering adoption of this

2336
03:44:19,760 --> 03:44:26,319
pasture plan as well. And what I was
saying fine too is that I think it's

2337
03:44:23,600 --> 03:44:30,479
fine, Levi, if we do this joint meeting
at the front end of a planning

2338
03:44:27,920 --> 03:44:36,399
commission meeting, then they don't have
to go to a separate meeting. It does ask

2339
03:44:32,720 --> 03:44:43,880
council to go to yet another meeting.
Sorry if you're okay with that. This is

2340
03:44:38,800 --> 03:44:43,880
a good one though. Unlike others,

2341
03:44:45,439 --> 03:44:52,560
» other joint meetings is what I mean.
Unlike the ones that Levi, we're also

2342
03:44:49,600 --> 03:44:58,560
scheduing a public open house to have
the public see this document as well.

2343
03:44:54,720 --> 03:45:03,439
And that'll be on October 14th from 5:30
to 7:00. It'll be here in this room. And

2344
03:45:01,760 --> 03:45:07,279
then shortly thereafter, we're going to
be working with the technical advisory

2345
03:45:05,840 --> 03:45:12,319
committee. I don't know who attended
that on the last one. There's a great

2346
03:45:10,080 --> 03:45:19,279
response from all the other communities
around here, all the stakeholders in New

2347
03:45:15,120 --> 03:45:23,840
Transportation Network, fire, MS, so
hope to see everyone there. I don't know

2348
03:45:21,279 --> 03:45:30,319
if we have to advertise that. If more
than two or three show up, we can get

2349
03:45:27,199 --> 03:45:37,520
that done too.
>> I'm directly open house. I think the the

2350
03:45:34,560 --> 03:45:40,160
declaration of the open chair open. I
think

2351
03:45:38,319 --> 03:45:45,040
» advertising in the open house also
covers open meetings.

2352
03:45:44,000 --> 03:45:49,439
» We will look into it.
>> I think it's good to notice it anyway.

2353
03:45:47,120 --> 03:45:53,279
Okay. Just just so people get notified
that subscribe. I think

2354
03:45:51,760 --> 03:45:57,600
» whether we have to legally I think it's
good to

2355
03:45:54,560 --> 03:46:02,399
» Yeah. I'm been working directly with the
Thomas Edison Charter School developing

2356
03:45:59,600 --> 03:46:06,960
their SNAP plan. Now they finally got a
username and and a password and they're

2357
03:46:04,560 --> 03:46:12,080
they're creating their mouse now. So
we'll see what happens with that. 2980

2358
03:46:09,040 --> 03:46:18,640
Nibbly Park Avenue, excuse me, not 29
Park Avenue, Meadow Lane, 1200 West.

2359
03:46:16,880 --> 03:46:22,960
I meant to meet with them today. We just
ran out of time. So we should be

2360
03:46:20,319 --> 03:46:28,160
starting to finalize that through the
next week or so.

2361
03:46:25,279 --> 03:46:34,640
The Nibi City Center Park, we've been
shut down since July 31st.

2362
03:46:32,560 --> 03:46:39,439
The you ladies trustes have bloomed.
It's a it's a reduced population this

2363
03:46:36,479 --> 03:46:44,640
year, but they're in full bloom. They're
going to seed and within the next 3

2364
03:46:42,080 --> 03:46:50,319
weeks, we should be back to constructing
that. There's a restrooms expected to be

2365
03:46:48,319 --> 03:46:53,279
delivered for the bike park in the next
week or two. They're going to actually

2366
03:46:51,840 --> 03:46:58,000
said that that we don't have to shut
down for that. And then we should start

2367
03:46:55,040 --> 03:47:02,000
seeing some activity also immediately on
direction of the pavilions. So all the

2368
03:47:00,160 --> 03:47:06,479
materials are on site and those aren't
dust generating activity. So we're

2369
03:47:03,840 --> 03:47:10,479
allowed to do those things during the
blooming period. So hopefully we're

2370
03:47:08,640 --> 03:47:15,680
going to have all that wrapped up and
done by fall. So

2371
03:47:13,600 --> 03:47:21,640
you have any questions for me? Everyone
like the traffic this week?

2372
03:47:18,399 --> 03:47:21,640
» It's great.

2373
03:47:22,399 --> 03:47:29,920
get more people on bikes. Um,
>> thank you for your RFPA is a few more

2374
03:47:27,359 --> 03:47:36,319
RSVP. There is no discount for early
registration or however we need to get

2375
03:47:32,479 --> 03:47:40,960
hotel rooms booked or when we run out.
Um, I just wanted to report on the day

2376
03:47:38,319 --> 03:47:45,600
of service that will be September 12th.
Um, there is going to be a flag raising

2377
03:47:43,359 --> 03:47:49,760
ceremony and a flag ceremony here at
city hall at 8:30. Um, it would be great

2378
03:47:48,319 --> 03:47:54,080
if the council could be there. We're
going to raise the flag. Then we have an

2379
03:47:52,319 --> 03:47:57,840
individual from the American Legion.
He's going to we're going to learn about

2380
03:47:56,160 --> 03:48:01,279
the flag and the pledge of allegiance.
We're going to learn how to fold the

2381
03:47:59,120 --> 03:48:06,399
flag and what those solds mean. And then
there will be retirements of flag. So if

2382
03:48:03,520 --> 03:48:12,880
you have bring it then please encourage
veterans or veteran loved ones and your

2383
03:48:10,080 --> 03:48:18,640
families to attend that. Um
I think it's going to be a really nice

2384
03:48:14,880 --> 03:48:25,520
event. Then um after that the n the day
of service will go from 9 until 10 with

2385
03:48:22,000 --> 03:48:29,680
opportunities here at city hall at fire
park and at

2386
03:48:27,600 --> 03:48:35,199
a couple of the projects the pier
project and tree planting had to be

2387
03:48:32,000 --> 03:48:38,560
eliminated for federal grant reasons I
believe and I asked Rob to reach out to

2388
03:48:37,120 --> 03:48:42,560
you specifically and let you know why
that had to be removed from the day of

2389
03:48:40,479 --> 03:48:50,000
service. Um so if you haven't heard from
him I'll remind you again. Um

2390
03:48:46,800 --> 03:48:54,800
um this is advertised on the website. Um
there are posters going out to public

2391
03:48:51,840 --> 03:48:59,120
spaces. Um it will be put on Facebook as
well. And then I did note that I have

2392
03:48:57,359 --> 03:49:05,399
some temporary signs that I've been
working on all day. But

2393
03:49:01,279 --> 03:49:05,399
» better hurry and get them in the park.

2394
03:49:06,239 --> 03:49:14,760
» Yeah, you'll be fine. You're fine. Poor
>> Justin pulls out. [laughter]

2395
03:49:11,760 --> 03:49:14,760
Perfect.

2396
03:49:21,520 --> 03:49:29,600
Uh, so
when do you need the RSVP on?

2397
03:49:27,199 --> 03:49:34,399
» Did you already say when you needed
>> um

2398
03:49:31,600 --> 03:49:40,160
» the 27th and 20th of October? So I
believe that two weeks before we made

2399
03:49:36,880 --> 03:49:46,640
the given up. So at my
>> Yeah, I have a few. That's a Tuesday and

2400
03:49:43,520 --> 03:49:49,873
Wednesday change. Okay, I'm a yes.
>> Weird.

2401
03:49:47,120 --> 03:49:51,893
» I'm retired. I got nothing better to do.
[laughter]

2402
03:49:52,239 --> 03:49:58,880
» Um, I did want to say with regards to
the countywide service that's going on,

2403
03:49:56,479 --> 03:50:00,800
they have all of their projects going on
Friday, September 11th.

2404
03:50:00,479 --> 03:50:04,640
» Yeah,
>> we are encouraging our citizens to

2405
03:50:02,640 --> 03:50:08,880
participate in that as well. And then
typically the service here wraps up

2406
03:50:06,640 --> 03:50:13,359
before 11 o'clock so they can head on
over to the party that's being held at

2407
03:50:11,359 --> 03:50:20,720
little park. So we're definitely
offering support for that and um it's

2408
03:50:18,080 --> 03:50:25,199
all service and it's all great. So why
not participate?

2409
03:50:22,880 --> 03:50:30,160
» Yeah. It turns out from my point of
view, Nibi is so far ahead of what the

2410
03:50:27,120 --> 03:50:35,199
county is working on that we did the
right thing by continuing to do our

2411
03:50:33,279 --> 03:50:41,840
instead of integrating the real tightly.
But there there'll be chance to

2412
03:50:38,640 --> 03:50:46,359
to integrate it county.
I don't mean county and countywide.

2413
03:50:47,199 --> 03:50:52,479
Blair, thank you for being on the
planning commission. You're our hero. Do

2414
03:50:50,479 --> 03:50:55,520
you want to address the council about
anything?

2415
03:50:54,000 --> 03:50:58,960
» No, just happy to be here.
>> Well, we're happy you're here, too.

2416
03:50:57,439 --> 03:51:02,399
» We're at the end of our agenda. Council,
there's anything else to be brought

2417
03:51:00,239 --> 03:51:05,520
forward. Is there an objection to
adjourning to