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It's 5:02 PM on Monday, July 27th.

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We call to order the work session agenda
for the Board of Commissioners.

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With 4 of 5 commissioners present, we do
have a quorum.

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Please join me in the Pledge of
Allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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United States of America and to the
republic

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for which it stands, one nation under God,
indivisible,

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with liberty and justice for all.

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The next item on the agenda is approval of
the agenda. Is there a motion?

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Motion to approve.

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Second.

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We have a motion to approve by
Commissioner Carpenter,

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seconded by Commissioner Streufert. Any
discussion on the agenda?

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All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye.
All opposed? Motion passes unanimously.

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Item 3 is approval of minutes for the work
session for June 15th, 2026.

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Is there a motion?

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Motion to approve.

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Second.

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We have a motion and a second. Any
discussion?

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All in favor of approval signify by saying
aye. Aye.

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All opposed?

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Motion passes unanimously. The next item
on the agenda is citizen comments.

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No one has signed up to speak at citizen
comments, but if you would like to do so,

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now is your opportunity. Seeing none, that
takes us to our discussion items.

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The first discussion item is a pavilion at
Greystone property with Mary Kate

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Polreese from Friends of Nolensville Park.

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So I'll invite you up to the microphone,
and, um,

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between Staff and Friends of the Parks,
please share this update.

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So Mary Kate came and visited with me a
couple of weeks ago, something like that,

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and we talked about some other
improvements that Friends of the Park

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improvements that Friends of the Park
could be

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working on. And one of the pieces of the
conversation came out about Greystone

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conversation came out about Greystone
Park.

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What are we going to be doing there? It's
now cleaned up.

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What would be nice to be able to go in
there that would be passive but would be a

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benefit to the community, to that area and
what all?

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One of the things that was presented was
the possibility of a pavilion at that.

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And so as we do with these particular
projects,

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if that's something that you all are
interested in seeing there—

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Yes.

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and Friends of the Park is interested in
raising money for in order to put there,

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then you all would need to eventually give
consensus on that or vote on that,

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that you're supportive of that should they
decide to work on that project.

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And so that's kind of what we're here
today,

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and Mary Kate's going to tell you about
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Yeah, absolutely. So we're just requesting
approval to partner with the town to

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donate a pavilion for the Greystone
property, and this is at no cost to the

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property, and this is at no cost to the
town.

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Recently, a local business approached us
with the opportunity to donate materials

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for this project. We saw this as a unique
opportunity to provide an amenity—

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an amenity— that aligns with the park's
town master plan while minimizing the

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financial impact to the town.

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The park master plan identifies the need
for gathering spaces throughout it.

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And it specifically mentions community
gathering spaces such as pavilions.

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And also, during the public input process,

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pavilions were mentioned by residents as
well in that area.

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So we're fully committed to working with
staff to locate this pavilion where it

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staff to locate this pavilion where it
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not hinder any further development at this
property.

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We know there's not a master plan for
that,

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so we don't want to interfere with it or
any future development.

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And we're happy to answer. I'm happy to
answer any further questions.

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Any questions? I think it sounds like a
great idea and part of what the

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partnership was intended to do,

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so I don't have any questions at this
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So unless others got questions,

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what we would intend to do is actually
commemorate this with a resolution of

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support. So that you all, both parties,

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have something to kind of fall back to
that says, yeah, we discussed it,

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we're supportive of this,

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and we'll try to bring that resolution at
the voting meeting.

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So I certainly don't have any issue with
supporting and moving forward.

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I think it's a fantastic idea.

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At what point do we have the opportunity—
will this be back before us?

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I know that there was an email that I
received that's Roughly 20 by 20,

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not holding you to size.

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Um, and so will we see this before us
again for location within the park so that

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there's a little bit more discussion?

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Is this something that staff feels that
they'll be able to take care of placement?

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I know even Mary Kate mentioned they don't
want to interfere with what future plans,

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but will we be able to see location before
approval?

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We can. I think staff can work with them
to Uh, I guess give a first, a first, uh,

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blush of, of where it should go, what it
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and then just kind of bring that to the
board for you all to ultimately give us

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board for you all to ultimately give us
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official go-ahead on that.

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Okay.

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Or support.

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Would the expectation be that the town
provide the slab to build upon?

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And if so, So we discussed that briefly,

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Victor, and you hypothesized this idea
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perhaps—

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There is a possibility.

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Well, we talked about, is that something
that we could do,

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that we could provide that slab, we could
put it in?

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Is that something that Kyle's crew can do?
It may be.

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I hadn't talked to Kyle, but that may be a
little bit more than what Uh,

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they want to try to do, especially when
you want to try to get a nice,

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very smooth finish on that.

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Uh, we'll come up with a cost estimate and
I'll have that information for you at

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your voting meeting.

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Is there— I don't think I've received any
emails about this.

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Is there an email that went out about it?

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No, I think, I think Mary Kate may have
had a conversation with—

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Was there a rendering in the email that
you received as an attachment?

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I don't think I've received anything.

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Okay.

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So you have an attachment, an email?

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Um, I—

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yes.

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No, I don't think I've had any
communication about this from you all.

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Um, do you want me to—

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are you wanting the picture? Is that what
you're wanting?

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Do you want me to forward it or—

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okay.

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Um, my, my email came from Wynn Elliott,
um, which board member,

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correct? Yeah. Um, and So there's enough
detail to let me know sizing

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and a picture, but that's about the extent
of what I have.

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So let me forward.

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Tuesday.

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Okay.

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So it sounds like the intention Is that
there is no cost to the town,

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at least for the pavilion portion?

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We are committed to making this a no cost
to the town. That's our hope and desire.

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Okay.

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Is that—

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that includes slab? If that's the—

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okay.

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So it sounds like you have the support
from all of us up here.

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Well, I say that I— the 2 at the end are
nodding, but,

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but so I have no problem. I think it's a
fantastic idea.

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Maybe there might be a few more details.

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I mean, there's always more details.

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Yeah, that just make sure are straightened
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But yes, certainly the support and moving
forward.

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I think even the size lends great with
that park as like an initial setup for

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something. And so I love the fact this
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I mean, to have a place where you could
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running.

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And we have one of those tables already
that they want to give to the town and

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that they want to give to the town and
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out of— and that's another just cool part
of the story.

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All of this lumber comes from state parks
that were downed trees during Winter Storm

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Fern. So that's how these— the lumber was
able to be given to us.

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So that's a rendering of what it would
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So I think it's a great idea.

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I think that— I mean, everybody's pretty
much said what I, what I want to say,

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so I'll just say that I think it's, it's a
great first big project,

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and it does exactly what I've wanted to do
with that parcel,

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which is to kind of activate it.

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I think we've talked about, you know,

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the potential of initially like a birthday
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gathering space. And so this can kind of
also accelerate that and bring some value

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to the community. So yeah, I'm fully
supportive.

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And I actually look forward to how
everything plays out,

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given that this is kind of the first big
project that we're—

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Lots of opportunities for learning, I'm
sure.

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Exactly. Exactly.

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Yeah, I too will express my support for
this.

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I know I just asked a very blunt question,
but I like this.

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I think this is a great first step and a
great use of that park.

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Yeah, anything we can do to help.

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So will you send me whatever proposal you
guys have sent to everybody else?

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Yeah, that would be great. All right.

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Any other questions or conversation
concerning,

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concerning the pavilion at the Greystone
property?

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One question. It looked like we had some
remaining budget,

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at least in the June report that was
provided. Is there any chance that's

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provided. Is there any chance that's
available?

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There's about $60,000 left in that
Greenstone redevelopment.

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Well, if it's in June money, it's gone.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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That's what— Because we're in a new budget
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Yep.

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That's what I presumed. So thank you.

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All right. The next—

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Item on the agenda is a discussion for
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alternative waste systems in the UGB.

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Victor.

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All right, so, uh, we wanted to— or this
was asked to be brought back up,

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and one of the questions that the mayor
had asked of me was to try to understand

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where the original agreements were with
Metro that defined, number one,

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what their territory was and what
responsibilities were.

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So, uh, Enoch, Chuck, and I had a
conversation this morning,

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and Chuck was able to find in 1997 where
the city agreed to a joint agreement with,

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uh, Nolensville College Grove Utility
District, with Brentwood,

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obviously with Metro to essentially convey
the territory that's considered as the

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Mill Creek drainage basin. So Mill Creek
drainage.

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So that's essentially the ridgeline to the
north.

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So everything that's in that drainage
basin is considered Metro's territory.

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Okay.

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Our municipal code has a reference to
2002, and we eventually found it as well.

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Or, well, we found yet another, I guess,

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place in there where it basically just
gives the authority to Metro saying that

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gives the authority to Metro saying that
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is— that any sewer disposal Yes. Has to be
approved by Metro.

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There is somewhere, and I hadn't been able
to find it.

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Brad and I discussed it, whether or not
it's in the zoning code or whatever,

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that we have an allowance to allow
alternative sewer systems.

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I've read that somewhere.

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When Brad and I were discussing, he
thought the language sounded very

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thought the language sounded very
familiar.

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We've not yet found that again. Again,
we'll continue to look for that.

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But according to this, it's actually a
little bit stronger than,

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than I had even thought, because I thought
that, that by staying in the county,

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that the county could allow those
alternative systems.

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And in fact, they allowed the farm to have
an alternative sewer system.

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But according to this agreement,

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I don't know that the county could have
because the entire drainage basin was

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conveyed to them. So whether it was an
error or not, um, the,

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the property from anything that's in that
drainage basin, uh,

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and that was originally part of
Nolensville College Grove, Brentwood,

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or the town of Nolensville under our
control, then is— Is part of the county.

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Yes.

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That's part of Metro's now. So Metro has
the final say.

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The backside of the hill, the south side
of the hill is not part of that.

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That's not part of the Mill Creek Drainage
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So everything on that side of it, number
one, is not subject to Metro.

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And even in our conversations with Metro,
they've acknowledged that,

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that they have no desire on the backside
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Anything that's going to require it to be
pumped They're not necessarily interested

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in, or they're not at least claiming as
their territory.

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In those areas, they're in the county.

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The county allows alternative sewer
systems except when they're in a UGB.

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And the reason that they don't allow them
in a UGB is because it would then take

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away the city's discretion on whether or
not to annex.

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Because if things can just develop as they
are without the cities, uh,

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being able to, to control it, then what's
the point of a UGB?

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The annexation laws have changed to where
now cities don't get to annex at will.

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You can only annex by request.

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And so if something has already developed
Then why would they request?

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We see that with Silverstream. We see it
with the Farm, those 2 prime examples.

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When—

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is it Sage— was it Sagebrook developed,
which was out on—

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Clovercroft?

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No, it's not on Clovercroft. It's on—
that's not the one I'm talking about.

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Are you talking about Willow Ridge?

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Willow Ridge. Willow Ridge.

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When Willow Ridge developed, originally
you all had,

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had discussed turning it down for
annexation.

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And when you did that, they then reached
out to the county,

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and the county had reached out to me and
says, hey,

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we've got a letter here that says you've
denied this plan.

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Are you saying you don't want to annex?

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Because if you don't want to annex,

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then We're going to allow them to develop
something.

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Uh, we indicated at that point that we did
want to annex them.

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We did want that in our prop— in our city
limits.

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And so the county would not approve a plan
of theirs.

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But had we said, yep, go ahead, we're not
interested,

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they would have allowed them an
alternative sewer system.

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It would have been served by Metro.

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Oh, well, you're actually— you know what,
you're right,

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because that is part of the drainage
basin.

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So it would— and they, they already had
their, their letter from Metro,

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so they could have, they could have had
theirs.

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But, um, all that to say is that was—

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that's when the county would have stepped
in and allowed them to develop,

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is after we had denied their plan and said
we did not want to annex them.

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So the question comes,

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and the county is very opposed to opening
up the UGB again and taking someone out of

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the UGB. But the question then comes to
you all is the properties that you may

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you all is the properties that you may
feel

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are further out than what we really should
have placed in our UGB or further out

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than what we expect to annex or whatever,

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if you want that property to be allowed to
annex, then we would have to then—

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Right.

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Essentially, uh, make a statement that
it's not our intent to annex that property

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and then allow the county to let it
develop inside the county with an

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develop inside the county with an
alternative

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sewer system. So we would have to give the
county permission to allow alternative

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sewer systems in our UGB. That's how that
would have to go.

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Um, We would have to work with Charles to
see what kind of limitations we could put

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on that, because if you just blanket laid
it out there,

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then that would mean anything south of the
ridgeline would be subject to that.

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So you would—

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we would have to make a determination of,

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of what that is and create our own 59th
parallel,

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if you remember that term.

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Yeah.

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from history a long, long, long,

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long time ago and determine whatever line
it's going to be and then say

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from that point south or something like
that, if you wanted to do that.

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What questions do you have with regard to
that?

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Where's the ridgeline?

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Where is the ridgeline?

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Yes.

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You know where the water tank sits?

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Up there behind the Van Slyke property.

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That's essentially the— that ridgeline.

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Well, I think to answer one of your
questions,

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if we had no intention of future
annexation for the UGB,

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we wouldn't have sought the area in which
we clearly included in our UGB.

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So to say I would want to remove that,

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to think we wouldn't be annexing that in
the future, my answer would be no.

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I'm curious why this is before us.

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Me. I asked for it to be added to the
agenda.

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I'd be happy to provide more clarity on
that.

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So what was not— first of all, June 15th
at that workshop,

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we went through this information just in
nothing in writing,

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just a verbal report from Victor.

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Um, which I think probably all of us— I
know had questions.

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I went back on Friday and rewatched the
June 15th workshop,

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and the understanding when we left that
workshop is that additional information

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would be provided so we could continue to
review this.

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Um, in my view, we have to make a decision
because we—

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the impacts of alternative sewer systems
in the urban growth boundary and within

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town are actually items that we haven't
discussed with details to know where in

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discussed with details to know where in
our

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subdivision regulations, which I think
subdivision regulations,

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from what I could research over the
weekend,

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is probably where most of the details come
from.

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Um, there is a, there is a, a length of
feet, it's 1,000 feet,

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that's referenced for when, uh,

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you would have to hook to sewer or whether
or not you could do an alternative

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wastewater system, if there are agreements
dating back to 1997, we have a—

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in my opinion, have a responsibility as an
organization to make sure that we know

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what they are, when they apply,

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so that we can fairly apply them to
whether it's the Jenkins farm or whether

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whether it's the Jenkins farm or whether
it's

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the Mosley farm that's in the urban growth
boundary,

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or whether it's the Van Slyke property
that is before us later today for

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that is before us later today for
annexation.

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that would fall under the subdivision
regulations and could potentially be more

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regulations and could potentially be more
than

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1,000 feet from existing sewer.

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So we need to be organized and understand
what the regulations are, when they apply,

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and in order to do that, we need more than
just anecdotal descriptions of it.

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We need to actually have those agreements,
know if they need to be updated,

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and know when they apply.

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Just from the discussion from June 15th to
today,

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it's clear to me that we don't have all
those details because I think a lot of

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those details because I think a lot of
the—

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I mean, from, from what, Victor, what you
shared, you were pulling information,

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going back and researching those
agreements with Metro today.

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Um, none— not a single member of our
current staff nor a single member of this

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current staff nor a single member of this
board

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was on the board in the early 2000s. Or
worked here in the early 2000s.

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So we need to understand what they are,

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especially in light of the 600 acres of
annexations that are being voted on at the

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beginning of August and how that would be
impacted.

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In addition, I don't— for the June 15th
workshop,

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one of the things that was shared was that
the urban growth—

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the Growth Management Roundtable Which was
a byproduct of the Urban Growth Boundary

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Coordinating Committee and the interlocal
agreement that we have with the other

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municipalities in Williamson County that
meets quarterly.

348
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Um, you know, I, I took one of the things
that Victor said on that June 15th meeting

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to think that that group did not want to
discuss, discuss this issue.

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Um, after watching that meeting back and,

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and having the opportunity to think
through more the issue,

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it's not that group that doesn't want to
discuss The items in the urban growth

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boundary, it's literally the Urban Growth
Boundary Coordinating Committee that was

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put into place. And the evaluation— and
Victor said this,

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but I'm just reiterating this—

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every single municipality in Williamson
County would have to go through that

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County would have to go through that
2-year

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process, which was a 2-year process that
we went through in evaluating each of the

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parcels in the urban growth boundary,
whether they should be in or out,

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a significant amount of public meetings.

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Okay.

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Um, that is the piece that there is not
appetite to open back up.

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And for reference, when that process went
into place,

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it had not happened in 20 years.

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So to open it up this fast is the part
that I think is probably not recommended

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that I think is probably not recommended
or

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not necessarily something that everyone
supports.

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00:23:29,839 --> 00:23:36,117
But I do think that property owners have a
right to understand what can or can't be

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done. And if you can be literally across
the street at the Catholic Church and have

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an alternative waste system, and they're
wanting to develop not in town limits,

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which is essentially what— where we're at,
I do have a hard time saying, well,

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you asked us, we said no, but you still
can't do anything, even though—

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Right.

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We have not researched and really dug into
what the implications are until

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Victor shared just now that there's an
agreement from— what did you say,

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'97 or 2004?

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'97.

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From '97. I was not aware that there are
any written

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agreements with Metro.

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And so we need to have clarity on that.

381
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We need to make sure we have our act
together in,

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in So your ask is what systems are
allowable under whatever these

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particular agreements may be?

384
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:41,710
Well, all of it. So if you go through— if
you go through the zoning ordinance, um,

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and I, I'm— my ask is that there be a
staff report related to this because I'm

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staff report related to this because I'm
just,

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I, I'm just reading.

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If you go through the zoning ordinance, it
references the subdivision regulations.

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If you go through the subdivision
regulations,

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which were just reviewed by the Planning
Commission on 7/1/2016,

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The subdivision regulations never come to
this board.

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They live with the Planning Commission.

393
00:25:10,544 --> 00:25:16,504
There's specific 5.7 that goes through
sanitary sewage facilities and provisions

394
00:25:16,504 --> 00:25:16,653
sanitary sewage facilities and provisions
of

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those, and when you're allowed to do an
alternative sewer system and when you're

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not. There's 2 criteria for that, and it's
it's 5.7 item 2 a, and it's.

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Related to a written intent to service the
area,

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which I think we've always interpreted as
a will-serve letter from Metro,

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but it's broader than that in that there's
not necessarily a development plan at

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this point. And then item 5.72
specifically references that in order to

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specifically references that in order to
have to hook

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to it, it has to be reasonably available,
which is designated as 1,000 feet—

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within 1,000 feet of a public sewer—

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and if the routing of the sewer can occur
via natural drainage or other acceptable

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routing. So I'm just asking for clarity
from the interpretation from legal and

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from the interpretation from legal and
staff

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so that we as a board can make an informed
decision Because to date,

408
00:26:14,768 --> 00:26:20,431
what we haven't— what we have in front of
us is just anecdotal stories about

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allowing sewer in the urban growth
boundary.

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And what I shared with Victor when we
talked on Sunday evening was that when the

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Willow Ridge subdivision was considered
for annexation,

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my belief is that I was told that it could
not develop if it was not in town limits

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because Metro would not serve it.

414
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Okay.

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And board members at the time voted based
off of that.

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After the fact, it came back that Metro
would serve it,

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00:26:49,865 --> 00:26:54,048
and we ended up having to go back and
reconsider that specific item.

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What I learned from that experience is
trust but verify. Show me the regulations.

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Show me the subdivision regulations. Show
me the zoning code.

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So show me the agreement with Metro. If it
exists, bring it forward.

421
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If it doesn't exist, that's fine, but
let's work it out.

422
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And then also understand that there are
property owners that are—

423
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have been waiting for, in my opinion, a
significant amount of time for,

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for a resolution that ultimately is
something that we have to act on.

425
00:27:23,020 --> 00:27:28,253
I second that. Um, my biggest hurdle

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here, I feel like there's a lot of—

427
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sorry.

428
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Fairy bells ringing.

429
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Um, there are— the biggest sticking point
for me right now is the feeling like we're

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putting, we're putting landowners in an
impossible situation where we've decided

431
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that we're not ready to annex,

432
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but we're also kind of putting a hard stop
on any development in that area,

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especially knowing that Metro Metro has
said they will not serve past a certain

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point.

435
00:28:08,890 --> 00:28:10,730
But nowhere in writing.

436
00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:14,970
But nowhere in writing. But that's where I
second what you're saying, that I—

437
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But it is kind of in writing because they
say it's the Mill Creek drainage basin

438
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is what was outlined. The Mill Creek
drainage basin is to the north of the

439
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drainage basin is to the north of the
ridge.

440
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But in Haley's defense, I haven't seen
that. You read that in the meeting.

441
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And I'm just saying, I think I get what
she's saying.

442
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I think that these are big decisions that
we need to have more in front of us to be

443
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able to, to look through and to, to fully
understand what we're,

444
00:28:48,962 --> 00:28:51,013
what we're talking about.

445
00:28:51,013 --> 00:28:57,328
You know, I, I think we've said this
before, that the annexation is just— for

446
00:28:57,328 --> 00:28:57,574
before, that the annexation is just— for
me,

447
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it's just too— it's just too soon.

448
00:29:00,363 --> 00:29:04,792
But I also don't like this idea of of us
preventing a—

449
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these landowners to make a decision on
their property with us not wanting to

450
00:29:11,025 --> 00:29:11,435
their property with us not wanting to
annex

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them. So I, I support what the mayor is
saying. I want more information.

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One other item that I know I have briefly
talked with Charles about before is in

453
00:29:23,036 --> 00:29:28,590
relation to the sewer moratorium that
Metro currently has and understanding if

454
00:29:28,590 --> 00:29:30,299
development south— well,

455
00:29:30,299 --> 00:29:36,138
development anywhere was able to have any
sort of an alternative sewer system that

456
00:29:36,138 --> 00:29:40,909
could then eventually hook into— do you
remember this conversation?

457
00:29:40,909 --> 00:29:43,330
I didn't prep Charles on this one.

458
00:29:43,330 --> 00:29:47,246
I'm just throwing it out there because it
is something—

459
00:29:47,246 --> 00:29:51,162
this was a while ago when the sewer
moratorium started.

460
00:29:51,162 --> 00:29:57,001
And that there could potentially need to
be certain ordinances in place that would

461
00:29:57,001 --> 00:30:00,419
require potential neighborhood, say for
example,

462
00:30:00,419 --> 00:30:05,617
if the Vance-like neighborhood was
developed and under the regulations as

463
00:30:05,617 --> 00:30:06,329
developed and under the regulations as
they exist

464
00:30:06,329 --> 00:30:12,096
today in the subdivision regulations were
allowed to develop under an alternative

465
00:30:12,096 --> 00:30:16,938
sewer system but is within the gravity-fed
basin, if they could, uh,

466
00:30:16,938 --> 00:30:22,278
if that ordinance could require them to,
when it became available, hook on.

467
00:30:22,278 --> 00:30:24,842
Um, I don't know how all that works,

468
00:30:24,842 --> 00:30:29,114
but I think that's why we have staff and
legal to review it.

469
00:30:29,114 --> 00:30:34,526
And I think that's another component of it
that needs to be evaluated again,

470
00:30:34,526 --> 00:30:40,008
because there are 600 acres of potential
annexations that this board— really,

471
00:30:40,008 --> 00:30:41,788
it's more than 600 acres.

472
00:30:41,788 --> 00:30:47,485
It's probably closer to 800 acres if you
were to add in the Jenkins development.

473
00:30:47,485 --> 00:30:51,544
Farm development is not an accurate way to
describe that.

474
00:30:51,544 --> 00:30:55,104
But it all comes down to we need more
information,

475
00:30:55,104 --> 00:30:57,952
which is what we discussed on June 15th.

476
00:30:57,952 --> 00:31:03,933
And I just want to make sure I continue to
push for that so that we have the ability

477
00:31:03,933 --> 00:31:08,633
to make an informed decision. So what
could be next step for that?

478
00:31:08,633 --> 00:31:13,403
Because we left June 15th with that
discussion, what would, Victor,

479
00:31:13,403 --> 00:31:18,530
you propose as next steps to make sure
that we are working through this?

480
00:31:18,530 --> 00:31:23,301
So what I would propose, you mentioned a
staff report.

481
00:31:23,301 --> 00:31:27,365
Staff will go through all of this
information.

482
00:31:27,365 --> 00:31:32,931
We will work with legal counsel and we
will put you together a—

483
00:31:32,931 --> 00:31:37,259
we'll call it a, uh, our own policy, if
you will,

484
00:31:37,259 --> 00:31:43,620
based on the agreements that are in place
outlining Uh, where it can go,

485
00:31:43,620 --> 00:31:50,246
if it can go, what are the regulations
that surround it for you all to have

486
00:31:50,246 --> 00:31:51,660
in front of you.

487
00:31:51,660 --> 00:31:57,260
Do you think it's possible to have that by
our, um—

488
00:31:57,260 --> 00:31:58,780
By your voting meeting.

489
00:31:58,780 --> 00:32:01,020
Okay, great.

490
00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:06,481
If I can ask an additional couple of
things on that, if it's Yes.

491
00:32:06,481 --> 00:32:11,521
Is it possible to get statements from
Metro on some of this?

492
00:32:11,521 --> 00:32:18,158
I think that's an important step forward
to have some of what Metro has held as

493
00:32:18,158 --> 00:32:21,771
formal or informal policy in writing to
us.

494
00:32:21,771 --> 00:32:25,971
And to match that with some layouts and
some maps,

495
00:32:25,971 --> 00:32:31,852
we have our wonderful GIS staff here,
Joel. If we can get some of that

496
00:32:31,852 --> 00:32:32,860
Joel. If we can get some of that
information.

497
00:32:33,250 --> 00:32:33,410
Okay.

498
00:32:33,410 --> 00:32:38,631
And overlaid on our current parcel data
and boundary data that I think will help

499
00:32:38,631 --> 00:32:43,852
understand a little bit more of where
these boundaries start to overlap and what

500
00:32:43,852 --> 00:32:46,723
implicates what in terms of
decision-making.

501
00:32:46,723 --> 00:32:51,748
But again, if we can get some sort of
statements from Metro on their sense of

502
00:32:51,748 --> 00:32:51,944
statements from Metro on their sense of
not

503
00:32:51,944 --> 00:32:55,011
only their— using Mill Creek as their
boundary,

504
00:32:55,011 --> 00:32:59,710
but also do we have any kind of timing on
the Sewer capacity in general.

505
00:32:59,710 --> 00:33:05,127
You know, I know they are probably going
to throw that probably back in the napkin,

506
00:33:05,127 --> 00:33:08,390
but I think all of that would help in this
report.

507
00:33:08,390 --> 00:33:08,950
Okay.

508
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:12,467
Any other discussion or information

509
00:33:12,467 --> 00:33:16,386
related to alternative waste systems in

510
00:33:16,386 --> 00:33:17,190
the UGB?

511
00:33:20,150 --> 00:33:20,390
All right.

512
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:24,565
The next item on the agenda is the
Alternative Cross Section for the Historic

513
00:33:24,565 --> 00:33:27,580
District Streetscape Project Update. From
Town Manager Lay.

514
00:33:27,580 --> 00:33:30,076
So the next issue there,

515
00:33:30,076 --> 00:33:37,045
we talked a little bit about it during the
last time— last meeting.

516
00:33:37,045 --> 00:33:43,077
The revised estimate that we received from
Kimley-Horn was

517
00:33:43,077 --> 00:33:49,942
significantly less. It went from a little
over $5 million down to—

518
00:33:49,942 --> 00:33:55,767
which did not include The utility costs
down to a lesser

519
00:33:55,767 --> 00:34:02,527
right-of-way. I sent to you all images of
what that cross-section

520
00:34:02,527 --> 00:34:09,600
would look like. The estimate on that— and
if I can share my screen.

521
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:15,489
OK.

522
00:34:18,489 --> 00:34:22,327
Is that working? Admin,

523
00:34:22,327 --> 00:34:29,168
maybe I'm clicking on the wrong one here.

524
00:34:29,168 --> 00:34:32,505
Yeah, just click on—

525
00:34:32,505 --> 00:34:38,011
instead of me sharing the screen,

526
00:34:38,011 --> 00:34:45,019
just click— Just click on it and put it up

527
00:34:45,019 --> 00:34:46,020
there.

528
00:34:46,020 --> 00:34:48,340
Is this the one you want?

529
00:34:48,340 --> 00:34:49,860
Yes.

530
00:34:51,620 --> 00:34:57,870
Well, I've got it. I just was trying to
get it on the big screen.

531
00:34:57,870 --> 00:35:03,350
That's all right. That's all right. Don't
worry about it.

532
00:35:03,350 --> 00:35:08,158
Yes, that's what I'm wanting you to do.
All right.

533
00:35:08,158 --> 00:35:10,369
So if you look at that,

534
00:35:10,369 --> 00:35:17,004
that was actually Kimley Horn's estimate
for this particular project.

535
00:35:17,004 --> 00:35:21,715
Now notice that it has the utilities set
at zero.

536
00:35:21,715 --> 00:35:26,042
The state of Tennessee, TDOT, actually did
a—

537
00:35:26,042 --> 00:35:33,253
and we just got an email last week from
them where they took a look at this

538
00:35:33,253 --> 00:35:35,080
particular project.

539
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:35,240
OK.

540
00:35:35,170 --> 00:35:42,532
Particular cost estimate and they revised
it where they actually added in

541
00:35:42,532 --> 00:35:46,163
the right of— or the utilities cost.

542
00:35:46,163 --> 00:35:52,315
Evidently they thought that there may be
some utilities cost.

543
00:35:52,315 --> 00:35:59,576
That was, um, $906,000, I think, is the
number that they added in there.

544
00:35:59,576 --> 00:36:06,938
They had also, through the others, dropped
it, uh, some others, $140,000.

545
00:36:06,938 --> 00:36:13,392
So Their number came in at $3.6— I'm
sorry, yeah, $3.56 million.

546
00:36:13,392 --> 00:36:15,813
If that were our number,

547
00:36:15,813 --> 00:36:22,872
if that's what the construction cost and
you did have that $900,000 of

548
00:36:22,872 --> 00:36:27,512
utility cost in it, we would have 20% of
that.

549
00:36:27,512 --> 00:36:34,470
We'd have to budget for the whole thing.
We would get reimbursed 80%.

550
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:40,118
Our 20% would be $712 million, essentially
$712,800,000,

551
00:36:40,118 --> 00:36:42,740
if the TDOT's estimate of—

552
00:36:42,740 --> 00:36:43,620
Thousand.

553
00:36:43,620 --> 00:36:49,135
What did I say? Million? Yeah, uh,
$712,800,000.

554
00:36:49,135 --> 00:36:56,373
Uh, if TDOT's estimate of $3,564,000 Was
ultimately the number.

555
00:36:56,373 --> 00:37:03,266
So if you all were amenable to that as far
as a future cost,

556
00:37:03,266 --> 00:37:10,734
and that future cost would be at least a
year out because we have

557
00:37:10,734 --> 00:37:13,147
to go through design.

558
00:37:13,147 --> 00:37:20,730
Today I received a— the proposal for what
the redesign would cost,

559
00:37:20,730 --> 00:37:26,474
which was I think $90,000 is what that
number was.

560
00:37:26,474 --> 00:37:29,921
I've given you a copy of that.

561
00:37:29,921 --> 00:37:36,010
It's laid on your tables from Kimberly
Horn. $89,500.

562
00:37:36,010 --> 00:37:40,175
So we've already done design, but because
there is a new proposed design,

563
00:37:40,175 --> 00:37:42,970
we have to pay $90,000 additional for new
design?

564
00:37:42,970 --> 00:37:47,380
If you want to go to a redesign, then yes.
That would be correct.

565
00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:49,460
And have we—

566
00:37:50,100 --> 00:37:54,304
quite some time ago when we discussed the
cost increase and speaking with the

567
00:37:54,304 --> 00:37:57,962
businesses downtown, which I continue to
communicate with, have we,

568
00:37:57,962 --> 00:38:01,292
have we opened a line of communication
with those businesses?

569
00:38:01,292 --> 00:38:02,821
Have we reached out to them?

570
00:38:02,821 --> 00:38:06,697
A lot of them are still under the
impression that this was not going to

571
00:38:06,697 --> 00:38:07,353
impression that this was not going to
happen based

572
00:38:07,353 --> 00:38:11,829
on cost and did not really seem to have a
feeling that it would affect them should

573
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:12,430
Did it not?

574
00:38:12,670 --> 00:38:13,790
And so I'm curious.

575
00:38:13,790 --> 00:38:18,490
So the process that I wanted to go
through— no, I have not engaged them

576
00:38:18,490 --> 00:38:18,887
through— no, I have not engaged them
again.

577
00:38:18,887 --> 00:38:22,660
The process that I wanted to do was to
see, first of all,

578
00:38:22,660 --> 00:38:27,823
in general tonight where you all were. I'm
not asking you to vote on anything.

579
00:38:27,823 --> 00:38:28,750
Where are you?

580
00:38:28,990 --> 00:38:29,070
Does—

581
00:38:29,310 --> 00:38:32,970
is this a route that you all are
interested in going?

582
00:38:32,970 --> 00:38:38,425
If it is, then what I want to do is turn
around and have some public engagement

583
00:38:38,425 --> 00:38:38,701
around and have some public engagement
with

584
00:38:38,701 --> 00:38:41,671
them to talk to our business owners, get
a—

585
00:38:41,671 --> 00:38:45,538
spend a little money and get a new graphic
put together,

586
00:38:45,538 --> 00:38:50,303
get it in front of those business owners
so that they can look at it,

587
00:38:50,303 --> 00:38:55,620
and then you can get some feedback from
them before you commit one way or the

588
00:38:55,620 --> 00:38:55,965
them before you commit one way or the
other

589
00:38:55,965 --> 00:39:00,592
on this. When I had gone through before
and talked to some of them,

590
00:39:00,592 --> 00:39:05,219
like the feed mill, they were— while they
were Going along with it,

591
00:39:05,219 --> 00:39:09,569
they didn't like the proposal because it
removed their parking.

592
00:39:09,569 --> 00:39:11,364
It did a number of things.

593
00:39:11,364 --> 00:39:16,820
They— we definitely need their input if we
are going to change it because it is

594
00:39:16,820 --> 00:39:19,720
different. And so, no, short answer is no,

595
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:23,380
but I am not asking you to make a decision
right now.

596
00:39:23,380 --> 00:39:23,700
Okay.

597
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:29,588
I am just looking to see if this interests
you at all because if it doesn't interest

598
00:39:29,588 --> 00:39:33,093
If you look at it and just go, hey, you
know what,

599
00:39:33,093 --> 00:39:36,387
I'm not interested in finding another
$700,000,

600
00:39:36,387 --> 00:39:40,943
not interested in spending another
$100,000 right now for design,

601
00:39:40,943 --> 00:39:45,780
then it's our intent to shelve the project
and just not deal with it.

602
00:39:45,780 --> 00:39:50,859
And when you say— sorry, when you say
find, we have just completed the budget,

603
00:39:50,859 --> 00:39:55,873
so this would really be a matter of
finding where the funding is coming from.

604
00:39:55,873 --> 00:39:59,259
from, and if that's being taken from
another source,

605
00:39:59,259 --> 00:40:04,598
or you know that we potentially have that
and so we could move forward with the 90

606
00:40:04,598 --> 00:40:05,510
fairly easily?

607
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:12,447
You could. Christina, Chuck, and I have
sat down and we've looked at our dollars,

608
00:40:12,447 --> 00:40:15,873
and if I could have pulled up my screen,

609
00:40:15,873 --> 00:40:22,381
I can go to the budget that we presented
you all that would show the capital

610
00:40:22,381 --> 00:40:27,862
projects and the dollars associated with
those capital projects.

611
00:40:27,862 --> 00:40:34,457
It's listed— yeah, it's listed under that
capital projects tab of that budget

612
00:40:34,457 --> 00:40:36,940
dashboard sheet that we have.

613
00:40:36,940 --> 00:40:42,935
And inside that, you can see what we've
budgeted across through there.

614
00:40:42,935 --> 00:40:48,930
But for this discussion, more importantly,
at the very bottom of that—

615
00:40:48,930 --> 00:40:49,250
Yes.

616
00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:57,699
There are charts that show for the next 5
years what that spending looks like.

617
00:40:57,699 --> 00:41:04,778
I'm going to try that, that Windows+K
again and see if that will get us there.

618
00:41:04,778 --> 00:41:10,042
I'm seeing your Admin AV21 display and I'm
clicking on it.

619
00:41:10,042 --> 00:41:12,220
It says it's connecting.

620
00:41:12,220 --> 00:41:13,820
Yes.

621
00:41:13,820 --> 00:41:14,780
There it is.

622
00:41:15,110 --> 00:41:15,190
Okay.

623
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:20,524
So if we are going back up here,

624
00:41:20,524 --> 00:41:23,690
let's get rid of that window.

625
00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:29,913
If we're going back up here and we're
looking at the, um,

626
00:41:29,913 --> 00:41:35,590
streetscape project, uh, where is it? Just
a second.

627
00:41:35,590 --> 00:41:42,360
Okay.

628
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,939
Well, it's not in here.

629
00:41:48,939 --> 00:41:56,254
If there it is, the Street Shapes project
right

630
00:41:56,254 --> 00:42:01,389
here. This is last year's budget.

631
00:42:01,389 --> 00:42:06,680
This column is this year's budget.

632
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:14,461
Obviously we didn't put any money in this
for this

633
00:42:14,461 --> 00:42:16,640
year's budget.

634
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:17,760
All right.

635
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,000
It was coming out of the facilities tax.

636
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:20,560
Mm-hmm.

637
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,065
So the adequate facilities tax.

638
00:42:23,065 --> 00:42:28,883
So if we go down to the adequate
facilities tax and look at their chart,

639
00:42:28,883 --> 00:42:35,590
which is right here, what we would see is
that if we were looking For dollars, for,

640
00:42:35,590 --> 00:42:41,489
for number one, for this year, we said,
hey, you know what, we need this,

641
00:42:41,489 --> 00:42:46,418
we're going to spend $100,000 for
engineering fees this year,

642
00:42:46,418 --> 00:42:49,085
then it's going to be right here.

643
00:42:49,085 --> 00:42:54,499
And so we have available right now for
this year, uh, $3.1 million.

644
00:42:54,499 --> 00:43:00,397
Now that's assuming that all it is
assuming that we have Our revenue that

645
00:43:00,397 --> 00:43:01,125
assuming that we have Our revenue that
comes in,

646
00:43:01,125 --> 00:43:03,064
which is about $450,000,

647
00:43:03,064 --> 00:43:08,074
$455,000 is what we were projecting in
revenues for this year.

648
00:43:08,074 --> 00:43:12,680
But roughly, that's what we have available
for this year.

649
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,120
All right.

650
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:21,620
$100,000 is not as significant as the
$700,000 that we would be needing for the

651
00:43:21,620 --> 00:43:21,961
$700,000 that we would be needing for the
next

652
00:43:21,961 --> 00:43:26,910
year. Or the next 2 years if you split
that out over time.

653
00:43:26,910 --> 00:43:33,906
And there's— this is a bigger discussion
because we also want to have a discussion

654
00:43:33,906 --> 00:43:38,343
about the overage of the Chris Mann Brown
Park bids,

655
00:43:38,343 --> 00:43:44,571
what it would look like if the
Nolensville— I'm sorry, the York— If Rocky

656
00:43:44,571 --> 00:43:45,424
Nolensville— I'm sorry, the York— If Rocky
Fork Road,

657
00:43:45,424 --> 00:43:51,141
Newsome Lane intersection comes, which
we're about to go to bid on,

658
00:43:51,141 --> 00:43:55,065
if that one comes in higher than we
projected,

659
00:43:55,065 --> 00:44:01,805
and we don't want to zero out our budgets,
but, but it's kind of all connected.

660
00:44:01,805 --> 00:44:06,925
But nonetheless, right now, if you said,
hey, you know what,

661
00:44:06,925 --> 00:44:11,617
we're willing to commit the $100,000, the
$90,000, yes,

662
00:44:11,617 --> 00:44:17,078
you have the money in adequate facilities
to commit the $90,000.

663
00:44:17,078 --> 00:44:20,149
Next year it's less, uh, projection,

664
00:44:20,149 --> 00:44:26,633
less Less based on all the information
that we have in the models right now.

665
00:44:26,633 --> 00:44:32,264
If everything stayed the same, all of our
other budgets were fine,

666
00:44:32,264 --> 00:44:38,237
then you would have $750,000 or $712,000
less in the next year budget.

667
00:44:38,237 --> 00:44:41,820
So instead of $2 million, you would be at—

668
00:44:41,820 --> 00:44:42,380
$1.8 million.

669
00:44:43,590 --> 00:44:50,010
1.25, assuming none of the other projects
needed additional

670
00:44:50,010 --> 00:44:52,186
funding. Once again,

671
00:44:52,186 --> 00:44:57,735
I'm not asking y'all to make any decisions
tonight.

672
00:44:57,735 --> 00:45:04,373
I'm just looking to get a feeling on how
you feel toward this

673
00:45:04,373 --> 00:45:11,554
project. And do you want to see us
reengage the community and talk

674
00:45:11,554 --> 00:45:18,518
to them, or is this too much too late and
let's move on to other

675
00:45:18,518 --> 00:45:19,280
things?

676
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,109
So who

677
00:45:22,109 --> 00:45:25,882
wants to

678
00:45:25,882 --> 00:45:28,240
jump?

679
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:30,720
You had mentioned— so it's an 80/20 split?

680
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:31,280
Correct.

681
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,320
It's a reimbursement.

682
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,200
It's a reimbursement.

683
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,086
Who would be spending that?

684
00:45:35,086 --> 00:45:39,485
We would have to spend $3.6 million and
hope to get a factor of

685
00:45:39,485 --> 00:45:41,790
that back, $2.8, $2.9 back to us.

686
00:45:41,790 --> 00:45:42,510
Correct.

687
00:45:42,910 --> 00:45:44,790
Okay.

688
00:45:47,790 --> 00:45:51,519
And note, just because of the size of the
project,

689
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:55,918
depending on when it was let, it might
span 2 fiscal years.

690
00:45:55,918 --> 00:45:57,410
So that's, you know,

691
00:45:57,410 --> 00:46:02,779
that money could be split over time
depending on But also comes with the

692
00:46:02,779 --> 00:46:04,270
park and Rocky Fork.

693
00:46:04,270 --> 00:46:04,750
Correct.

694
00:46:04,750 --> 00:46:06,546
And additionally, though,

695
00:46:06,546 --> 00:46:11,720
we would still be waiting on the bridge
over the creek from a pedestrian

696
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:12,510
over the creek from a pedestrian
standpoint.

697
00:46:12,510 --> 00:46:16,469
That's correct. And the bridge has to get
redesigned too.

698
00:46:16,469 --> 00:46:19,872
And so which could delay the bridge design
again,

699
00:46:19,872 --> 00:46:22,720
because now instead of—

700
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:27,720
I hope we get some of that. Yeah, I'm just
saying.

701
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:29,480
I mean, we all get hungry at these
meetings.

702
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:29,960
So—

703
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:36,567
This is now taking and creating a 10-foot
sidewalk on the west side of the road

704
00:46:36,567 --> 00:46:39,912
versus, I think— well, Enoch's not here,

705
00:46:39,912 --> 00:46:44,847
but there were smaller sidewalks on both
sides of the road.

706
00:46:44,847 --> 00:46:51,370
And so the bridge itself would probably
need to be redesigned because then you

707
00:46:51,370 --> 00:46:51,788
need to be redesigned because then you
would

708
00:46:51,788 --> 00:46:57,810
have a narrowing of the, the path and then
a widening on the other side.

709
00:46:57,810 --> 00:46:59,570
And that's on TDOT?

710
00:46:59,570 --> 00:47:02,650
That would probably be on TDOT to do that.

711
00:47:03,010 --> 00:47:04,709
So here's what I'll say.

712
00:47:04,709 --> 00:47:09,947
I don't think this project is not worthy,
um, of completion at some point,

713
00:47:09,947 --> 00:47:12,849
but I think with the roughly 8 years-ish,

714
00:47:12,849 --> 00:47:18,653
7 and a half-ish years That it's taken us
to get to this point to know that we now

715
00:47:18,653 --> 00:47:24,528
have to re-examine an alternate in design
that's going to cost us because we're not

716
00:47:24,528 --> 00:47:30,262
able to use any portion of the design and
spend another $100,000 when I have two—

717
00:47:30,262 --> 00:47:34,438
we have two large projects in which
construction goes over,

718
00:47:34,438 --> 00:47:37,199
one of which you mentioned is the park.

719
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:41,941
Um, and so at this point, I would not be
in favor of going forward.

720
00:47:41,941 --> 00:47:47,250
Simply because of the expenditure that
would come our way and the potential

721
00:47:47,250 --> 00:47:47,675
would come our way and the potential
growth

722
00:47:47,675 --> 00:47:53,054
in these numbers. So even though we're
looking at a small portion of that $3

723
00:47:53,054 --> 00:47:56,523
million, but we don't know what that could
go to.

724
00:47:56,523 --> 00:48:02,044
We don't know what the timeline is going
to be with, with TDOT and the bridge.

725
00:48:02,044 --> 00:48:06,220
And I think we have quite a bit on the
plate at the moment.

726
00:48:06,220 --> 00:48:09,830
So I would be in favor of continuing to
push pause.

727
00:48:09,830 --> 00:48:17,183
I'm, I'm torn because I— this is on the
list, but it's not the priority for me.

728
00:48:17,183 --> 00:48:23,977
And so if at the end of the day we looked
at everything and we said, hey,

729
00:48:23,977 --> 00:48:31,144
we actually— we do have the $100,000, I
would be in favor of of doing design.

730
00:48:31,144 --> 00:48:37,194
That's not to say going to then
construction in the same— in that

731
00:48:37,194 --> 00:48:38,497
construction in the same— in that
timeline, but—

732
00:48:38,497 --> 00:48:44,081
But that being said, I— we have an
obligation with the park.

733
00:48:44,081 --> 00:48:49,852
We have the SPP that we're trying to save
for. We've got York.

734
00:48:49,852 --> 00:48:53,295
There's a lot of competing interests.

735
00:48:53,295 --> 00:48:59,066
I don't want this to be something that
just falls to the side.

736
00:48:59,066 --> 00:49:05,860
I feel like we do have an opportunity with
some creative thinking to push

737
00:49:05,860 --> 00:49:13,306
forward. But my biggest hurdle right now
is the other things that we have yet to

738
00:49:13,306 --> 00:49:15,540
discuss in this meeting.

739
00:49:16,220 --> 00:49:18,215
So I don't disagree with you.

740
00:49:18,215 --> 00:49:23,168
I guess my concern, especially with
working with TDOT and another bridge

741
00:49:23,168 --> 00:49:23,856
working with TDOT and another bridge
design and

742
00:49:23,856 --> 00:49:25,782
this process taking so long,

743
00:49:25,782 --> 00:49:30,803
some of that because of our lovely
crayfish and salamanders and things of

744
00:49:30,803 --> 00:49:31,078
crayfish and salamanders and things of
that

745
00:49:31,078 --> 00:49:33,830
nature. But also just design in general.

746
00:49:33,830 --> 00:49:39,402
My concern would be if TDOT gets to their
bridge design and this doesn't work and

747
00:49:39,402 --> 00:49:43,873
we've now expended additional funding. I
don't disagree with you.

748
00:49:43,873 --> 00:49:47,313
I do think it's something that we have to
look at,

749
00:49:47,313 --> 00:49:51,646
but I'm still of the fact that there's so
much that we need to—

750
00:49:51,646 --> 00:49:56,737
that is starting and looking for
completion so quickly that if we continue

751
00:49:56,737 --> 00:49:57,287
completion so quickly that if we continue
to poll,

752
00:49:57,287 --> 00:50:02,890
are we going to have enough to do that?

753
00:50:05,890 --> 00:50:07,730
Welcome, Commissioner Gill. Do you have
any comments?

754
00:50:07,730 --> 00:50:09,814
Mayor, thank you. Mayor, thank you.

755
00:50:09,814 --> 00:50:12,791
And just a side note, I apologize for
being tardy.

756
00:50:12,791 --> 00:50:17,257
Um, had to take care of a family matter
this afternoon in Humphreys County.

757
00:50:17,257 --> 00:50:22,259
Nonetheless, uh, I feel like I could offer
ditto to both what Commissioner Carpenter

758
00:50:22,259 --> 00:50:24,462
and Vice Mayor Salamida have offered.

759
00:50:24,462 --> 00:50:28,571
I think the issue with the bridges is
quite— at this juncture for me,

760
00:50:28,571 --> 00:50:32,501
is dispositive of moving forward simply
because we might be doing—

761
00:50:32,501 --> 00:50:37,085
we might be expending town money to work
toward this latter goal of ours now,

762
00:50:37,085 --> 00:50:40,599
and we don't know what the state might do
with that bridge.

763
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:45,362
And the money we're spending might— may or
may not conform to the state's plans,

764
00:50:45,362 --> 00:50:50,185
or it could hold up even the bridge itself
if they like Oh, y'all are doing this?

765
00:50:50,185 --> 00:50:52,686
Well, then we'll have to re-engineer that.

766
00:50:52,686 --> 00:50:55,485
And with all the other priorities that we
have—

767
00:50:55,485 --> 00:50:58,581
and this is certainly an important part of
our town.

768
00:50:58,581 --> 00:51:00,725
I work in the historic district now,

769
00:51:00,725 --> 00:51:04,238
and I walk that spot of Nolensville Road
from time to time,

770
00:51:04,238 --> 00:51:08,108
and I always wish that this type of a plan
was already completed.

771
00:51:08,108 --> 00:51:11,502
I want it for our young people that use
it, our visitors,

772
00:51:11,502 --> 00:51:15,015
the people that visit all the other
merchants in that area.

773
00:51:15,015 --> 00:51:19,481
However, I think with all the other
priorities that we're dealing with that

774
00:51:19,481 --> 00:51:19,719
priorities that we're dealing with that
have

775
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,446
already been enumerated, Yes.

776
00:51:21,446 --> 00:51:24,900
As well as, as the Vice Mayor just said,
the bridge issue,

777
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:27,698
waiting on the state or working with the
state.

778
00:51:27,698 --> 00:51:32,641
We are injecting uncertainty to this that
we don't need to do because that can only

779
00:51:32,641 --> 00:51:36,630
slow down the process. And therefore, I
would say let's push pause.

780
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:40,832
Can, can you share more about the bridge
design?

781
00:51:40,832 --> 00:51:47,310
I mean, I know that probably 6 years ago
TDOT said that that bridge was in

782
00:51:47,310 --> 00:51:53,350
critical need, and it was on the list for
TDOT to redesign completely

783
00:51:53,350 --> 00:52:00,265
independently of the Historic District
streetscape and completely independently

784
00:52:00,265 --> 00:52:04,555
of the Nolensville Road Center Turn Lane
project.

785
00:52:04,555 --> 00:52:11,120
Um, can you put that in perspective with
this project and how they touched?

786
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,142
So So when we— All right.

787
00:52:13,142 --> 00:52:17,672
So when we first were given the challenge
of the bridge,

788
00:52:17,672 --> 00:52:24,305
that came to us when TDOT said you have to
move your ending point from the project

789
00:52:24,305 --> 00:52:30,533
from stopping essentially at the last
business on Nolensville Road north just

790
00:52:30,533 --> 00:52:30,937
business on Nolensville Road north just
south

791
00:52:30,937 --> 00:52:37,166
of the bridge to a logical termini. And
then that ended up being Sunset Road.

792
00:52:37,166 --> 00:52:41,048
And so at that point, there were— prior to
that,

793
00:52:41,048 --> 00:52:45,174
there was no consideration at all about
the bridge.

794
00:52:45,174 --> 00:52:48,086
The bridge was completely out of it.

795
00:52:48,086 --> 00:52:52,696
And because TDOT was saying, well, to
utilize this money,

796
00:52:52,696 --> 00:52:55,770
you have to have this logical termini,

797
00:52:55,770 --> 00:53:01,917
which means you have to locate it at a
crossing point that's got a sidewalk,

798
00:53:01,917 --> 00:53:05,800
and that nearest point was Sunset Road,
then we—

799
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:05,960
Right.

800
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:13,189
Even if it had been Stonebrook Boulevard,
which doesn't have a sidewalk on it there,

801
00:53:13,189 --> 00:53:16,297
we would have had to cross the bridge.

802
00:53:16,297 --> 00:53:21,203
That then caused TDOT to have to go, oh,
well, we've got to—

803
00:53:21,203 --> 00:53:24,801
if we're going to require you to go up
here,

804
00:53:24,801 --> 00:53:30,117
then we have to redesign the bridge to
accommodate the sidewalks.

805
00:53:30,117 --> 00:53:34,042
So they went into that redesign that
delayed it—

806
00:53:34,042 --> 00:53:38,540
that delayed the bridge project about 2
years, I think,

807
00:53:38,540 --> 00:53:42,220
in and of itself from the design piece on
it.

808
00:53:42,220 --> 00:53:47,453
Then— and that bridge was supposed to have
already been started.

809
00:53:47,453 --> 00:53:52,278
However, TDOT's budget constraints then
delayed the bridge.

810
00:53:52,278 --> 00:53:56,040
And I'm not sure— Joel, do you know when
that—

811
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,000
No.

812
00:53:58,930 --> 00:54:03,086
Okay. So for the current design,

813
00:54:03,086 --> 00:54:07,631
estimate of 2028 for that bridge to

814
00:54:07,631 --> 00:54:08,930
start. If—

815
00:54:08,930 --> 00:54:09,970
Which part of the process?

816
00:54:10,850 --> 00:54:15,506
2028 to start construction of the bridge?
Construction of the bridge.

817
00:54:15,506 --> 00:54:21,106
Um, obviously if we come back and go, hey,
um, we're changing this, we're going to—

818
00:54:21,106 --> 00:54:24,614
and, and all of TDOT concur, That it's OK
to change,

819
00:54:24,614 --> 00:54:28,528
then they would have to go back and
redesign their bridge.

820
00:54:28,528 --> 00:54:32,981
Now, at this point, it doesn't— it changes
the width a little bit,

821
00:54:32,981 --> 00:54:35,950
but not as significantly as it did prior
to.

822
00:54:35,950 --> 00:54:41,618
So I don't know how much— is it just lane
shifting on what they were going to build,

823
00:54:41,618 --> 00:54:45,936
and it really is not that big of a deal?
Or is it a lot of work?

824
00:54:45,936 --> 00:54:47,960
That piece, we don't know yet.

825
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:48,200
OK.

826
00:54:49,890 --> 00:54:52,973
Is the 20— and I don't know if this is a
Mr.

827
00:54:52,973 --> 00:54:58,369
Cook question or a you question, but is
the 2028— I know TDOT has talked, um,

828
00:54:58,369 --> 00:55:00,401
a little bit to not only, um,

829
00:55:00,401 --> 00:55:05,726
board members but also to GNRC a bit about
that shifting with the additional

830
00:55:05,726 --> 00:55:07,969
unexpected cost out to our east.

831
00:55:07,969 --> 00:55:13,434
And so I had heard about 6 months ago that
there was the potential for what is

832
00:55:13,434 --> 00:55:16,587
currently on the list for the next 24
months,

833
00:55:16,587 --> 00:55:21,422
that that could be shifted or pushed due
to the most recent increase,

834
00:55:21,422 --> 00:55:23,875
which again was about 6 months ago,

835
00:55:23,875 --> 00:55:28,850
based on having to do additional bridge
work and road work in the east.

836
00:55:28,850 --> 00:55:30,130
For Hurricane Helene?

837
00:55:30,130 --> 00:55:35,324
Yes, there was an initial that came out
after the storm of how much that would be,

838
00:55:35,324 --> 00:55:36,971
and everything got pushed,

839
00:55:36,971 --> 00:55:41,912
but that there was additional conversation
that had just come out— I say just,

840
00:55:41,912 --> 00:55:46,473
but in the last 6 months from TDOT that
there was still additional work,

841
00:55:46,473 --> 00:55:50,401
and with the cost increase to them, it may
be pushing smaller—

842
00:55:50,401 --> 00:55:53,251
I say smaller projects like what ours may
be.

843
00:55:53,251 --> 00:55:57,495
And so I'm just curious if we know if
we're kind of in that bubble.

844
00:55:57,495 --> 00:56:02,183
And so to say 2028 is the hopeful
projected and maybe staying within those

845
00:56:02,183 --> 00:56:02,753
projected and maybe staying within those
confines,

846
00:56:02,753 --> 00:56:04,970
or is that something that might be—

847
00:56:04,970 --> 00:56:09,278
I don't know if we're in that bubble. I
had heard something similar.

848
00:56:09,278 --> 00:56:12,762
At the last GNRC meeting, they briefly
talked about it.

849
00:56:12,762 --> 00:56:17,259
I don't recall them giving us a definitive
list of here's the projects,

850
00:56:17,259 --> 00:56:21,820
but I will definitely reach out to see if
this is one of those projects.

851
00:56:23,780 --> 00:56:30,609
I'm not comfortable with expending $90,000
to redesign if it at all delays TDOT

852
00:56:30,609 --> 00:56:34,758
replacing a critical bridge on Nolensville
Road.

853
00:56:34,758 --> 00:56:41,154
I still think it's valuable to have
connectivity from Sunset Road south to

854
00:56:41,154 --> 00:56:41,759
connectivity from Sunset Road south to
Publix,

855
00:56:41,759 --> 00:56:48,242
and that's an important part of— this
project is an important part of that.

856
00:56:48,242 --> 00:56:55,417
I also think that it's important for us to
understand that general fund dollars and

857
00:56:55,417 --> 00:57:00,171
adequate facilities tax are the only 2
funding sources,

858
00:57:00,171 --> 00:57:02,677
which was in your all's memo.

859
00:57:02,677 --> 00:57:05,271
TDOT projects are challenging,

860
00:57:05,271 --> 00:57:12,099
and it seems like there are multiple hoops
to jump through and hoops within the

861
00:57:12,099 --> 00:57:15,557
hoops within the hoops within the hoops.

862
00:57:15,557 --> 00:57:19,965
Um, going over that bridge, when they
changed that,

863
00:57:19,965 --> 00:57:26,967
that just completely altered the scope of
the project and what the initial design

864
00:57:26,967 --> 00:57:28,696
would reasonably be.

865
00:57:28,696 --> 00:57:35,784
I appreciate that you say that we don't
have to make decisions on this tonight and

866
00:57:35,784 --> 00:57:41,661
we'll continue to work through the
information that's been provided.

867
00:57:41,661 --> 00:57:48,490
It is incredibly helpful, the detail that
has been provided for, for this item.

868
00:57:48,690 --> 00:57:49,010
I—

869
00:57:51,570 --> 00:57:55,145
that bridge is going to be the important
part.

870
00:57:55,145 --> 00:58:00,198
That 28 construction date has been
different dates in years past.

871
00:58:00,198 --> 00:58:06,416
I guess what I'm trying to wrap my mind
around is when to believe a construction

872
00:58:06,416 --> 00:58:12,167
commencement date when it comes out of—
also trying to say it as nicely as

873
00:58:12,167 --> 00:58:12,867
also trying to say it as nicely as
possible.

874
00:58:12,867 --> 00:58:18,230
I wonder what percentage of TDOT
construction dates actually get met.

875
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:19,430
I don't know.

876
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:21,520
I guess is what I'm trying to—

877
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:22,840
Careful, Mayor.

878
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,263
But also understandable.

879
00:58:25,263 --> 00:58:27,266
Again, there's a lot of factors,

880
00:58:27,266 --> 00:58:31,586
not only with TDOT and its budget and its
budget to remain debt-free,

881
00:58:31,586 --> 00:58:36,719
but also if you have a natural disaster
like they have and trying to complete that

882
00:58:36,719 --> 00:58:41,227
work to the east, it really does affect
those in middle and to the west.

883
00:58:41,227 --> 00:58:43,543
So there's been quite a few projects.

884
00:58:43,543 --> 00:58:48,239
And so regardless of, of if '28 becomes
that date It would be nice to know,

885
00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:50,430
are some of their smaller projects—

886
00:58:50,430 --> 00:58:53,748
while this may be a bridge that warrants
replacement,

887
00:58:53,748 --> 00:58:58,631
if it's not at the critical point, we are
a— and I know what the verbiage was,

888
00:58:58,631 --> 00:59:03,264
but if it's not at what they now see as
their critical in terms of budget,

889
00:59:03,264 --> 00:59:05,580
would it be one that would be pushed?

890
00:59:05,580 --> 00:59:07,396
So that's where I go back to,

891
00:59:07,396 --> 00:59:12,154
it's not that this is not important or
that we do not want the connectivity,

892
00:59:12,154 --> 00:59:14,971
But based on what we have outlined
currently,

893
00:59:14,971 --> 00:59:19,855
to say you are going to go through a
complete redesign at $90,000 with so much

894
00:59:19,855 --> 00:59:23,110
uncertainty behind that is where my
hesitation lies.

895
00:59:23,110 --> 00:59:24,710
All right.

896
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:29,105
Any other discussion for the alternative
cross-section for the Historic District

897
00:59:29,105 --> 00:59:32,070
Streetscape Project update? The next item
on the agenda—

898
00:59:32,070 --> 00:59:33,419
Just so I understand,

899
00:59:33,419 --> 00:59:38,558
the feeling I am getting from everyone in
general is that You're not necessarily

900
00:59:38,558 --> 00:59:42,412
interested. Maybe we find out some more of
this information,

901
00:59:42,412 --> 00:59:47,680
but at least at this point, uh, it's not—
Victor, let's go ahead and move forward.

902
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,320
Okay.

903
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,280
Yeah. All right, that's what I need to
know.

904
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:53,600
Thank you.

905
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:57,615
Okay, the next discussion item is
pedestrian signal on Sunset Road at

906
00:59:57,615 --> 00:59:58,429
pedestrian signal on Sunset Road at
Chrisman Brown

907
00:59:58,429 --> 00:59:58,720
Park.

908
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:05,514
So just trying to again try to provide you
the information associated

909
01:00:05,514 --> 01:00:12,111
with that, we looked at the possibility of
the sidewalk connection.

910
01:00:12,111 --> 01:00:15,755
And that was something— if, Montique,

911
01:00:15,755 --> 01:00:21,663
if you can click on that link there and
for that particular—

912
01:00:21,663 --> 01:00:26,094
the image of the sidewalk, the sidewalk
cost.

913
01:00:26,094 --> 01:00:33,183
So we had— Enoch and Joel put together a
couple of graphics of what that

914
01:00:33,183 --> 01:00:36,039
sidewalk piece would look at.

915
01:00:36,039 --> 01:00:41,947
We know that the signal would be— it's not
a traffic signal,

916
01:00:41,947 --> 01:00:46,280
so it's not going to be at the
intersection.

917
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:51,498
We would put it more of a mid-block of our
park area.

918
01:00:51,498 --> 01:00:55,240
And there seems to be room to do that.

919
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,480
Yeah.

920
01:00:57,890 --> 01:01:03,586
We think that that, that is going to be
somewhere in the neighborhood of about

921
01:01:03,586 --> 01:01:07,676
$200,000. And we're just basically taking
that estimate.

922
01:01:07,676 --> 01:01:12,788
We, we spent about $158,000 for the
construction of the signal at, uh,

923
01:01:12,788 --> 01:01:13,810
Sunset School.

924
01:01:13,810 --> 01:01:16,770
About $175,000.

925
01:01:16,770 --> 01:01:21,558
Um, for the construction of the school,
uh, we had some—

926
01:01:21,558 --> 01:01:28,399
we were You're going to have probably
$10,000 to $20,000 in design cost for this

927
01:01:28,399 --> 01:01:33,273
particular one, probably on the lower end
of the $20,000.

928
01:01:33,273 --> 01:01:40,199
So all in, we're saying you're probably
going to be around $200,000 for this one.

929
01:01:40,199 --> 01:01:45,415
We looked at the possibility of the bridge
across, having it—

930
01:01:45,415 --> 01:01:47,980
and that was a couple million.

931
01:01:47,980 --> 01:01:48,620
Yeah.

932
01:01:48,790 --> 01:01:54,889
We've looked at the possibility of putting
a sidewalk from there to the school.

933
01:01:54,889 --> 01:01:57,668
That is according to Enoch's number.

934
01:01:57,668 --> 01:02:03,613
That was about $560,000 and about $120,000
of that, just so you know, is, uh,

935
01:02:03,613 --> 01:02:09,558
estimate on right-of-way costs where our
right-of-way is averaging about $5 a

936
01:02:09,558 --> 01:02:10,021
right-of-way is averaging about $5 a
square

937
01:02:10,021 --> 01:02:13,804
foot. And he is estimating about, um,
$2,000,000.

938
01:02:13,804 --> 01:02:18,591
Let's see, about— maybe that's— I don't
know if that's $2,400.

939
01:02:18,591 --> 01:02:22,374
I'm not sure what— how his math calculates
there.

940
01:02:22,374 --> 01:02:27,623
But anyway, he estimated the right-of-way
cost to be about $120,000.

941
01:02:27,623 --> 01:02:32,410
So total of $560,000, $440,000 if the
right-of-way is donated.

942
01:02:34,010 --> 01:02:34,410
There are—

943
01:02:34,570 --> 01:02:36,096
go down to the next.

944
01:02:36,096 --> 01:02:41,587
There are some design challenges, and so
slide down to the Next graphic.

945
01:02:41,587 --> 01:02:47,110
Keep on going. Keep on going to the next.
Keep going.

946
01:02:50,110 --> 01:02:50,190
Okay.

947
01:02:50,510 --> 01:02:52,383
They've gone too far.

948
01:02:52,383 --> 01:02:56,752
Where's the one, the graphic that shows
where the

949
01:02:56,752 --> 01:02:59,070
kind of the wetlands area?

950
01:02:59,070 --> 01:03:01,950
The top map?

951
01:03:01,950 --> 01:03:05,630
Maybe it's the top map. So go back up.

952
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:06,600
Right there.

953
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:07,560
You passed it.

954
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:07,920
One down.

955
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:11,240
There it is.

956
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:16,855
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't see it. But yep,
it's the yellow area.

957
01:03:16,855 --> 01:03:24,282
That's kind of a wetlands area that you'd
have to have either some type of culvert

958
01:03:24,282 --> 01:03:29,806
or some type of bridging over that. That's
a challenged area.

959
01:03:29,806 --> 01:03:36,327
area as far as constructability. And you
can do it, it just costs money.

960
01:03:36,327 --> 01:03:42,124
One other option is if you're looking and
you want the sidewalk,

961
01:03:42,124 --> 01:03:47,467
is to turn around and look at it from the
back perspective.

962
01:03:47,467 --> 01:03:54,079
And if you can allow me to share my screen
again, and I can pull this up—

963
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:55,890
if I can pull it up.

964
01:03:55,890 --> 01:04:01,540
Yes.

965
01:04:04,540 --> 01:04:09,158
When Enoch was talking about the
right-of-way, have we— has he discussed,

966
01:04:09,158 --> 01:04:14,092
or have we as staff discussed with the
county yet in regards to the school and

967
01:04:14,092 --> 01:04:18,773
working with them like we did at
Nolensville Elementary and maybe having a

968
01:04:18,773 --> 01:04:19,026
Nolensville Elementary and maybe having a
cost

969
01:04:19,026 --> 01:04:23,454
share there rather than an actual
right-of-way and putting in on their

970
01:04:23,454 --> 01:04:24,276
right-of-way and putting in on their
property that

971
01:04:24,276 --> 01:04:27,565
would connect into the sidewalk leading to
the east.

972
01:04:27,565 --> 01:04:31,044
So with the current system that we have on
Sunset Road,

973
01:04:31,044 --> 01:04:36,168
have we had any communication with the
county to potentially work together to put

974
01:04:36,168 --> 01:04:36,231
county to potentially work together to put
a

975
01:04:36,231 --> 01:04:40,912
safer way for the students to get to
school that are coming from the north

976
01:04:40,912 --> 01:04:41,229
school that are coming from the north
side?

977
01:04:41,229 --> 01:04:45,214
And maybe there's not as much of a
right-of-way purchase there,

978
01:04:45,214 --> 01:04:48,440
but having a working relationship and
installation.

979
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:53,613
The school portion is a very, very small
segment. Of the 1,300 plus or minus feet.

980
01:04:53,613 --> 01:04:58,660
So I don't know that it would be right
there. That is a significant cost offset.

981
01:04:59,380 --> 01:05:04,478
Um, right. If you can see my cursor on the
screen, that's,

982
01:05:04,478 --> 01:05:08,170
that's all the school portion right there.

983
01:05:08,170 --> 01:05:12,301
Um, this particular property, uh, which is
the,

984
01:05:12,301 --> 01:05:17,047
I think that is the Brown property or a
portion of it.

985
01:05:17,047 --> 01:05:23,728
We had looked at one time about trying to
acquire this triangle in the back.

986
01:05:23,728 --> 01:05:28,386
That's about half an acre. It sits in the
floodplain.

987
01:05:28,386 --> 01:05:33,836
That's it zoomed up a little bit more.
Sits in the floodplain.

988
01:05:33,836 --> 01:05:40,340
In 2024, the appraisal that we received
was that it was valued at $52,000.

989
01:05:40,340 --> 01:05:46,757
And so we were— or I'm sorry, Yeah, right
at, right at, right at $50,000.

990
01:05:46,757 --> 01:05:49,394
Um, this is a little bit more.

991
01:05:49,394 --> 01:05:56,514
If you were looking and your goal was to
try to get a sidewalk between it and the

992
01:05:56,514 --> 01:06:03,721
school and have the school do some cost
share on placement of sidewalk, it's your,

993
01:06:03,721 --> 01:06:10,226
uh, walking trail going around the park is
going to be right in this area.

994
01:06:10,226 --> 01:06:17,345
And so then to create a sidewalk from here
to here and then do something joint to

995
01:06:17,345 --> 01:06:21,564
the school, I haven't necessarily measured
that,

996
01:06:21,564 --> 01:06:28,421
but that seems like it might be more
economical than trying to take it through

997
01:06:28,421 --> 01:06:28,860
economical than trying to take it through
here.

998
01:06:29,620 --> 01:06:34,032
So the question really becomes an
additional signal or

999
01:06:34,032 --> 01:06:38,280
right-of-way purchase and sidewalk. Is
that correct?

1000
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:45,332
So honestly, I would in the future would
like to see both a crossing and the

1001
01:06:45,332 --> 01:06:47,051
northern side trail.

1002
01:06:47,051 --> 01:06:53,670
I think that there's a lot that can be
done putting a trail up through there,

1003
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:57,022
whether it's sidewalk or walking trail,

1004
01:06:57,022 --> 01:07:02,694
into the school property to help connect
to the Britton community.

1005
01:07:02,694 --> 01:07:08,711
But in the short term, I think a light is
going to be the best option.

1006
01:07:08,711 --> 01:07:13,696
The reason why I, I'm concerned about
anything outside of,

1007
01:07:13,696 --> 01:07:16,705
of a crossing at the property is I,

1008
01:07:16,705 --> 01:07:23,409
I just don't believe kids are going to
walk the distance down to the school to

1009
01:07:23,409 --> 01:07:23,839
walk the distance down to the school to
cross

1010
01:07:23,839 --> 01:07:31,058
the street. I think we could We could not
put any kind of crossing and they're going

1011
01:07:31,058 --> 01:07:32,777
to cross the street.

1012
01:07:32,777 --> 01:07:39,911
And it's— I think it's important for us to
do whatever we can to help make it safe.

1013
01:07:39,911 --> 01:07:44,730
So yeah, I'm for the crossing.

1014
01:07:47,730 --> 01:07:53,300
Is there any other information that we can
bring to you all or take a look at?

1015
01:07:56,300 --> 01:08:02,399
I think the only thing that's still in my
mind is a conversation that I had with

1016
01:08:02,399 --> 01:08:08,270
Enoch where he said that he didn't think
that the HAWK signal was the correct

1017
01:08:08,270 --> 01:08:12,921
application for the entrance to Sunset
Elementary and Middle.

1018
01:08:12,921 --> 01:08:19,020
He did think that it was the appropriate
application for a mid-block crossing at

1019
01:08:19,020 --> 01:08:22,070
Chris Mann Brown Park. Um, And I'm just—

1020
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:27,789
It's because it— he's— he doesn't like it
because it's at the intersection,

1021
01:08:27,789 --> 01:08:33,814
and it doesn't function as well at the
intersection because it confuses drivers

1022
01:08:33,814 --> 01:08:39,533
somewhat. But yes, at this particular
location of where we're proposing it,

1023
01:08:39,533 --> 01:08:43,270
which is mid-block, then it does function
better.

1024
01:08:46,140 --> 01:08:51,043
So what about that intersection at Sunset,
at Sunset Elementary and Middle?

1025
01:08:51,043 --> 01:08:55,815
I mean, if that piece of equipment is not
functioning as optimally— well,

1026
01:08:55,815 --> 01:08:58,365
let me rephrase, that was bad phrasing.

1027
01:08:58,365 --> 01:09:00,261
The equipment is functioning,

1028
01:09:00,261 --> 01:09:05,425
is functioning in compliance with the
manual on uniform traffic control devices

1029
01:09:05,425 --> 01:09:05,621
manual on uniform traffic control devices
and

1030
01:09:05,621 --> 01:09:07,256
is functioning correctly.

1031
01:09:07,256 --> 01:09:12,616
If the application could be improved Can
you move that hawk signal mechanism to in

1032
01:09:12,616 --> 01:09:18,108
front of the Chris Munro Park and replace
it with something? I, I'm not an engineer.

1033
01:09:18,108 --> 01:09:19,807
I don't know these things.

1034
01:09:19,807 --> 01:09:24,906
Can you replace some of that equipment
since you already have the arm there so

1035
01:09:24,906 --> 01:09:25,168
since you already have the arm there so
that

1036
01:09:25,168 --> 01:09:29,744
it's more of a functioning light instead
of purchasing 2 hawk signals,

1037
01:09:29,744 --> 01:09:30,790
one of which is—

1038
01:09:30,790 --> 01:09:36,989
Well, um, I guess the, the short answer is
Yes, in time we probably possibly could.

1039
01:09:36,989 --> 01:09:43,114
We will be— when the signal at York and
Williams and Nolensville Road is complete,

1040
01:09:43,114 --> 01:09:49,313
we'll be able to retrieve our controller
information and those existing lights that

1041
01:09:49,313 --> 01:09:52,973
are there. That controller will be what's
needed.

1042
01:09:52,973 --> 01:09:55,512
And so you could then turn around—

1043
01:09:55,512 --> 01:10:00,591
And it's practically a brand new
controller because Remember, if you

1044
01:10:00,591 --> 01:10:01,114
controller because Remember, if you
recall,

1045
01:10:01,114 --> 01:10:03,355
the lightning hit the old one,

1046
01:10:03,355 --> 01:10:07,687
and so we had to purchase a brand new one
to put in there.

1047
01:10:07,687 --> 01:10:13,886
And so there is the possibility that you
could turn around and look at changing the

1048
01:10:13,886 --> 01:10:19,189
type of light that you have there. It
might require an additional pole.

1049
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:23,969
I don't know. We'd have to look at what
that design looked like.

1050
01:10:23,969 --> 01:10:25,762
But you would have some—

1051
01:10:25,762 --> 01:10:30,467
at least some of the components to
potentially change that out.

1052
01:10:30,467 --> 01:10:36,443
And place a different style signal there
and make it into a full traffic signal,

1053
01:10:36,443 --> 01:10:40,700
if you will, which would benefit those
trying to turn in.

1054
01:10:40,700 --> 01:10:46,526
It would benefit those trying to get out
and frustrate those that are going on

1055
01:10:46,526 --> 01:10:52,426
Sunset Road. But it would be a better
application than probably the HAWK signal

1056
01:10:52,426 --> 01:10:52,576
application than probably the HAWK signal
at

1057
01:10:52,576 --> 01:10:53,920
that intersection.

1058
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:54,160
Okay.

1059
01:10:56,130 --> 01:10:59,170
So thank you.

1060
01:10:59,890 --> 01:11:04,048
I would have concern, especially morning
and afternoon traffic,

1061
01:11:04,048 --> 01:11:07,876
that traffic is very much so directed by a
crossing guard.

1062
01:11:07,876 --> 01:11:12,760
So unlike, um, the crossing guards at
Nolensville Elementary or Mill Creek

1063
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:17,182
Nolensville High School, they don't
necessarily direct per a light.

1064
01:11:17,182 --> 01:11:22,594
They're at an intersection in which they
then direct traffic And so it's, I guess,

1065
01:11:22,594 --> 01:11:27,808
is putting a permanent light or even a
temporary light like we're doing at Kidd

1066
01:11:27,808 --> 01:11:29,920
Road, or have done at Kidd Road.

1067
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:35,398
I would just— my concern would be how does
that actually affect the flow of traffic

1068
01:11:35,398 --> 01:11:38,764
and timing on a daily basis during the
school year?

1069
01:11:38,764 --> 01:11:43,252
So yes, I think if we can reuse the
equipment, I think that's great,

1070
01:11:43,252 --> 01:11:47,344
as long as whatever the solution is for
the schools on Sunset,

1071
01:11:47,344 --> 01:11:52,888
that it's accommodating to what they would
actually need to move the cars in and out

1072
01:11:52,888 --> 01:11:54,010
of that facility.

1073
01:11:54,010 --> 01:11:57,223
So one of the things about the signals,
um,

1074
01:11:57,223 --> 01:12:03,277
where they are actually directing traffic
today, that police officer could— they—

1075
01:12:03,277 --> 01:12:09,255
all of the new style signals have the
ability to be controlled remote— remotely.

1076
01:12:09,255 --> 01:12:15,309
And so they can sit off in their vehicle
Near this, near the signal, they have a,

1077
01:12:15,309 --> 01:12:17,700
actually a hardwired controller.

1078
01:12:17,700 --> 01:12:19,752
But is that something the district could
have?

1079
01:12:19,752 --> 01:12:22,740
Because we're not guaranteed to have an
officer there on the daily.

1080
01:12:22,740 --> 01:12:27,075
When you say the district, so I'm not
talking about us controlling it,

1081
01:12:27,075 --> 01:12:28,500
I'm talking about them.

1082
01:12:28,500 --> 01:12:29,460
Oh, the sheriff himself.

1083
01:12:29,460 --> 01:12:33,880
The sheriff himself could come in,

1084
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:40,120
and instead of the guard having to be out
in the

1085
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:46,100
middle of the road, he could be in his
vehicle

1086
01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:47,660
on the Okay.

1087
01:12:47,820 --> 01:12:48,060
So it—

1088
01:12:49,820 --> 01:12:50,220
I don't—

1089
01:12:50,220 --> 01:12:52,780
have we heard from everybody?

1090
01:12:52,780 --> 01:12:57,621
I'll just offer that the mayor's idea is
aligned with where I was going with this.

1091
01:12:57,621 --> 01:13:02,226
If we can reuse the practically new
equipment that we installed on Sunset Road

1092
01:13:02,226 --> 01:13:02,403
equipment that we installed on Sunset Road
and

1093
01:13:02,403 --> 01:13:04,233
then look at a better solution,

1094
01:13:04,233 --> 01:13:08,012
for Sunset Schools working with the school
district to see what—

1095
01:13:08,012 --> 01:13:12,262
as well as the Sheriff's Department. That
would be ideal, I would think.

1096
01:13:12,262 --> 01:13:16,572
Yes, we— I was delighted a year ago when
we opened that new system, Hi-5.

1097
01:13:16,572 --> 01:13:18,107
We were all glad about it.

1098
01:13:18,107 --> 01:13:22,122
I can tell you, as a fellow that goes up
and down Sunset Road daily,

1099
01:13:22,122 --> 01:13:25,251
and I have a child that goes to Sunset
Middle School,

1100
01:13:25,251 --> 01:13:29,561
it can and does indeed become confusing.
At, uh, drop-off or pickup time.

1101
01:13:29,561 --> 01:13:31,509
We know red light means you stop,

1102
01:13:31,509 --> 01:13:35,878
but then you've got the gentleman that
works for the Sheriff's Department.

1103
01:13:35,878 --> 01:13:40,069
Took us about 6 weeks to get that, that
gentleman in place, by the way.

1104
01:13:40,069 --> 01:13:44,084
That was a blessing when they finally were
able to recruit somebody.

1105
01:13:44,084 --> 01:13:46,209
He does a great job now, by the way.

1106
01:13:46,209 --> 01:13:49,574
Looking forward to seeing him again in a
couple of weeks.

1107
01:13:49,574 --> 01:13:53,648
But, uh, I would think if we can reuse the
assets that we have there,

1108
01:13:53,648 --> 01:13:57,131
since that is not the optimal solution—
not a bad solution,

1109
01:13:57,131 --> 01:13:59,198
just not The best solution perhaps,

1110
01:13:59,198 --> 01:14:04,157
but it's what we could afford and what we
were going to give a shot at in comparison

1111
01:14:04,157 --> 01:14:07,050
to what we've done in other school areas
in town.

1112
01:14:07,050 --> 01:14:09,352
Let's see about maybe moving that down.

1113
01:14:09,352 --> 01:14:12,835
I can certainly also echo what
Commissioner Carpenter said.

1114
01:14:12,835 --> 01:14:16,673
One day I would love to be able to see the
trailhead continue on,

1115
01:14:16,673 --> 01:14:18,562
whether it be a sidewalk or not.

1116
01:14:18,562 --> 01:14:23,108
If there's some way we could actually
reach the Britton Downs subdivision and

1117
01:14:23,108 --> 01:14:23,344
reach the Britton Downs subdivision and
then

1118
01:14:23,344 --> 01:14:27,772
maybe one day over to the school, that
would be ideal. We're not there yet.

1119
01:14:27,772 --> 01:14:30,783
I certainly cannot see, however, And thank
you, Mr.

1120
01:14:30,783 --> 01:14:35,683
Lay, for bringing to everybody's attention
the cost of that idea I had about buying

1121
01:14:35,683 --> 01:14:40,229
a bridge. Well, let's just say that my
eyes were bigger than our wallets are.

1122
01:14:40,229 --> 01:14:45,070
And no, that wasn't— that's not going to
work. But nonetheless, also what we have—

1123
01:14:45,070 --> 01:14:47,550
It was a valid option. It's just— it's
expensive.

1124
01:14:47,550 --> 01:14:52,024
It's very expensive. Yes, sir. So I
thanked him and moved on past that.

1125
01:14:52,024 --> 01:14:54,230
We mark that off our list for sure.

1126
01:14:54,230 --> 01:14:59,461
With that being said, what we have before
us as well just is the expense of it all.

1127
01:14:59,461 --> 01:15:02,612
We just can't go there. So I'm coming back
around.

1128
01:15:02,612 --> 01:15:07,401
I would think that if we can create a
crosswalk that's signalized using what

1129
01:15:07,401 --> 01:15:07,716
crosswalk that's signalized using what
we've

1130
01:15:07,716 --> 01:15:11,938
got down the street or something akin to
that, that would be ideal.

1131
01:15:11,938 --> 01:15:13,640
That's my feedback tonight.

1132
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,919
Okay, we are 1 hour and 20 minutes into
our meeting.

1133
01:15:17,919 --> 01:15:22,712
We have some people in the audience that
are here for specific agenda items.

1134
01:15:22,712 --> 01:15:28,010
Who are probably wondering why they didn't
ask to be moved up in the agenda earlier.

1135
01:15:29,050 --> 01:15:30,484
I really enjoy this.

1136
01:15:30,484 --> 01:15:35,290
I mean, who doesn't love a good chocolate
or baller thing going on?

1137
01:15:35,290 --> 01:15:40,967
I mean, I would ask that we take a
5-minute recess restroom break,

1138
01:15:40,967 --> 01:15:47,504
but then I would ask if the board would be
amenable to moving the items for—

1139
01:15:47,504 --> 01:15:54,558
I believe it's the annexations up and then
go back to the rest of the discussions,

1140
01:15:54,558 --> 01:15:56,880
um, if that suits everyone.

1141
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:57,600
Yes, ma'am.

1142
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,583
I have one question before you take your
break.

1143
01:16:00,583 --> 01:16:04,708
So from all this discussion we just had on
these traffic signals,

1144
01:16:04,708 --> 01:16:09,848
what I'd like to be able to do is bring
you all a resolution to do the design for

1145
01:16:09,848 --> 01:16:09,911
you all a resolution to do the design for
a

1146
01:16:09,911 --> 01:16:12,640
pedestrian signal at Chris Mann Brown
Park.

1147
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:13,280
Okay.

1148
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,080
Okay, we will have that on the voting
agenda.

1149
01:16:16,060 --> 01:16:16,940
Bless you.

1150
01:16:17,500 --> 01:16:30,211
Okay.

1151
01:16:30,211 --> 01:16:37,838
All

1152
01:16:37,838 --> 01:16:53,092
right,

1153
01:16:53,092 --> 01:16:58,176
we

1154
01:16:58,176 --> 01:17:08,345
will

1155
01:17:08,345 --> 01:17:18,514
take

1156
01:17:18,514 --> 01:17:21,056
a

1157
01:17:21,056 --> 01:17:41,395
5-minute

1158
01:17:41,395 --> 01:17:54,106
break

1159
01:17:54,106 --> 01:18:01,733
and

1160
01:18:01,733 --> 01:18:06,817
be

1161
01:18:06,817 --> 01:18:16,986
back

1162
01:18:16,986 --> 01:18:24,613
at,

1163
01:18:24,613 --> 01:18:32,240
um,

1164
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:44,951
6:23.

1165
01:18:44,951 --> 01:18:55,120
What

1166
01:18:55,120 --> 01:19:00,205
is

1167
01:19:00,205 --> 01:19:25,627
happening?

1168
01:19:25,627 --> 01:19:30,712
We

1169
01:19:30,712 --> 01:19:40,881
will

1170
01:19:40,881 --> 01:19:51,050
move

1171
01:19:51,050 --> 01:19:56,134
to

1172
01:19:56,134 --> 01:20:08,845
those

1173
01:20:08,845 --> 01:20:16,472
and

1174
01:20:16,472 --> 01:20:26,641
then

1175
01:20:26,641 --> 01:20:31,726
go

1176
01:20:31,726 --> 01:20:41,895
back

1177
01:20:41,895 --> 01:20:46,979
to

1178
01:20:46,979 --> 01:21:14,944
discussion.

1179
01:21:14,944 --> 01:21:20,029
Is

1180
01:21:20,029 --> 01:21:32,740
that—

1181
01:21:32,740 --> 01:21:34,580
Yes, ma'am.

1182
01:21:34,580 --> 01:21:38,429
Okay, so that takes us to unfinished
business.

1183
01:21:38,429 --> 01:21:42,614
The first one is second reading of
Ordinance 2609,

1184
01:21:42,614 --> 01:21:45,710
an ordinance amending the zoning map.

1185
01:21:45,710 --> 01:21:52,488
This is the Williams annexation, and it is
also paired with Agenda item number 2,

1186
01:21:52,488 --> 01:21:58,764
which is the resolution. This is an item—
hold on, I kept my livestream on.

1187
01:21:58,764 --> 01:22:05,208
This is an item that was deferred at the
request of the applicant at the last

1188
01:22:05,208 --> 01:22:11,903
meeting. And there was some discussion
about commercial as part of the rezoning.

1189
01:22:11,903 --> 01:22:15,250
And so I'll turn it over to staff first.

1190
01:22:15,250 --> 01:22:19,887
I don't know that staff has any additional
comments.

1191
01:22:19,887 --> 01:22:22,920
They're on— under Resolution 2644,

1192
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,060
there is a staff report.

1193
01:22:26,180 --> 01:22:26,500
As you—

1194
01:22:26,820 --> 01:22:28,015
the mayor mentioned,

1195
01:22:28,015 --> 01:22:32,854
this has been both to the public hearing
and the first reading before this board.

1196
01:22:32,854 --> 01:22:36,618
Um, staff, staff supports the, the
organization and resolution,

1197
01:22:36,618 --> 01:22:40,980
the ordinance and resolution on this item.
Happy to answer any questions.

1198
01:22:40,980 --> 01:22:46,921
I I would just add to that report that the
recommendation

1199
01:22:46,921 --> 01:22:53,070
or going through the annexation came with
a zoning of CD-2.

1200
01:22:53,070 --> 01:22:53,950
Yes.

1201
01:22:53,950 --> 01:22:59,990
And so it's staff's opinion that that's
the way that it should come

1202
01:22:59,990 --> 01:23:02,244
in and that we would not—

1203
01:23:02,244 --> 01:23:08,283
it would not be to the city's advantage to
wait until some new zone

1204
01:23:08,283 --> 01:23:12,701
or some, some different plan were put into
place,

1205
01:23:12,701 --> 01:23:18,380
that annexing right now under the CD-2 is
the preferred method.

1206
01:23:18,380 --> 01:23:22,220
And does the applicant have anything that
you want to come up and share?

1207
01:23:22,220 --> 01:23:26,900
Say hello for a second. Uh, sorry, I'm a
little tall. Can you guys hear me?

1208
01:23:26,900 --> 01:23:31,580
Uh, so I'm Jordan Hart again with Toll
Brothers, and we're working with the

1209
01:23:31,580 --> 01:23:32,017
Brothers, and we're working with the
family.

1210
01:23:32,017 --> 01:23:34,513
And, you know, thank you to each of you.

1211
01:23:34,513 --> 01:23:38,257
We, we were able to meet with everybody
over the last month,

1212
01:23:38,257 --> 01:23:42,376
and thank you to staff too for the
continued support and guidance.

1213
01:23:42,376 --> 01:23:44,560
And, uh, I think, I think we agree.

1214
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:44,720
We've—

1215
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:48,032
through these discussions we've been
having with everybody,

1216
01:23:48,032 --> 01:23:51,530
we certainly understand the importance of
this location for the town.

1217
01:23:51,530 --> 01:23:55,586
Uh, the family understands the importance
of the location for the town, and, uh,

1218
01:23:55,586 --> 01:23:59,694
it's, it's our ultimate goal collectively
to work with the town to come up with a

1219
01:23:59,694 --> 01:24:01,975
development that suits everybody's
interests.

1220
01:24:01,975 --> 01:24:05,829
And we believe that through the work of
staff that's ongoing with the zoning

1221
01:24:05,829 --> 01:24:08,871
ordinance, that there is going to be a
path to achieve that.

1222
01:24:08,871 --> 01:24:11,001
Today, we don't know what that is exactly,

1223
01:24:11,001 --> 01:24:14,955
and so trying to force some specific
zoning with this annexation really limits

1224
01:24:14,955 --> 01:24:15,108
zoning with this annexation really limits
our

1225
01:24:15,108 --> 01:24:19,063
ability to create what we believe can be
something truly unique in the future.

1226
01:24:19,063 --> 01:24:22,105
So, you know, we'd like to bring the
property into the town.

1227
01:24:22,105 --> 01:24:26,060
The family has always intended for the
property to be part of the town limits,

1228
01:24:26,060 --> 01:24:28,240
and we want to continue to work with
staff.

1229
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:28,640
Thank you.

1230
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:33,659
As they continue to— sorry— evaluate the
zoning ordinance so that we can, you know,

1231
01:24:33,659 --> 01:24:37,706
at a later date give this board an
opportunity to weigh in when the property

1232
01:24:37,706 --> 01:24:37,972
opportunity to weigh in when the property
comes

1233
01:24:37,972 --> 01:24:39,037
back for a rezoning.

1234
01:24:39,037 --> 01:24:40,848
And what that looks like, I think,

1235
01:24:40,848 --> 01:24:43,829
will be determined by the work that is
being done today.

1236
01:24:43,829 --> 01:24:46,225
But we're excited to keep working with
staff.

1237
01:24:46,225 --> 01:24:47,876
I think it's been great so far,

1238
01:24:47,876 --> 01:24:51,976
and we appreciate all the feedback you
guys provided in our meetings and look

1239
01:24:51,976 --> 01:24:54,958
forward to kind of continuing that
dialogue as we go on.

1240
01:24:54,958 --> 01:24:58,099
And If there are any, any questions maybe
weren't answered,

1241
01:24:58,099 --> 01:25:00,229
I will try to answer them as best I can.

1242
01:25:00,229 --> 01:25:03,690
But if not, we look forward to the meeting
next week— next month.

1243
01:25:03,690 --> 01:25:07,610
Thank you. Is your all's intent to have
this voted on in August?

1244
01:25:07,610 --> 01:25:09,210
Uh, yes.

1245
01:25:09,210 --> 01:25:10,170
Okay.

1246
01:25:10,810 --> 01:25:15,418
Any questions or discussion on the
annexation request for the Williams

1247
01:25:15,418 --> 01:25:16,010
annexation request for the Williams
property?

1248
01:25:16,010 --> 01:25:19,161
Mayor, I'll just note that Of course,

1249
01:25:19,161 --> 01:25:24,187
our staff has recommended we approve this
resolution as is.

1250
01:25:24,187 --> 01:25:30,405
Our Planning Commission has reviewed it
and voted in favor of it as well.

1251
01:25:30,405 --> 01:25:34,237
We appreciate that report and that hard
work.

1252
01:25:34,237 --> 01:25:37,900
We have approved it on first— no, we
don't—

1253
01:25:37,980 --> 01:25:38,940
first reading.

1254
01:25:39,180 --> 01:25:41,333
We've got to this point, and if I may,

1255
01:25:41,333 --> 01:25:45,866
and I appreciated the time that you good
folks came and spent with us, and well,

1256
01:25:45,866 --> 01:25:49,323
Individually, I guess the meetings were
obviously individual,

1257
01:25:49,323 --> 01:25:51,760
but we met upstairs in the conference
room.

1258
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,536
I know that Chuck was there and of course
Victor.

1259
01:25:54,536 --> 01:25:59,296
And Victor, you said something I found to
be extremely helpful in my decision-making

1260
01:25:59,296 --> 01:26:04,056
on this matter, and that was that we risk
something by not moving forward if we kill

1261
01:26:04,056 --> 01:26:08,419
this deal now in its tracks by not voting
down exit, even though it's at CD2.

1262
01:26:08,419 --> 01:26:12,952
But we're all planning for it to be some
You're going to come back to us at some

1263
01:26:12,952 --> 01:26:14,879
point and seek a different zoning,

1264
01:26:14,879 --> 01:26:18,902
and there might be a chance for
modification work done on that as well,

1265
01:26:18,902 --> 01:26:19,242
modification work done on that as well,
Chuck.

1266
01:26:19,242 --> 01:26:22,245
I understand that. I'm in favor of looking
into that.

1267
01:26:22,245 --> 01:26:26,212
But the bigger issue is what we saw in the
legislature this last year,

1268
01:26:26,212 --> 01:26:30,631
where they attempted to remove from
municipal governments the ability to annex

1269
01:26:30,631 --> 01:26:34,655
without first having to get approval by
the county or whatever they had

1270
01:26:34,655 --> 01:26:35,278
the county or whatever they had
envisioned.

1271
01:26:35,278 --> 01:26:36,921
Thankfully, that didn't pass.

1272
01:26:36,921 --> 01:26:40,434
There's no guarantee of that not happening
again come January.

1273
01:26:40,434 --> 01:26:44,118
That's the bigger risk to us as a
municipal government right now,

1274
01:26:44,118 --> 01:26:48,537
that we lose the opportunity to choose
whether this does or does not come into

1275
01:26:48,537 --> 01:26:48,707
whether this does or does not come into
our

1276
01:26:48,707 --> 01:26:49,897
corporate boundaries.

1277
01:26:49,897 --> 01:26:52,901
I would imagine, had I not been a part of
this board,

1278
01:26:52,901 --> 01:26:55,224
I would actually have been shocked, awed,

1279
01:26:55,224 --> 01:26:59,360
surprised to find out it wasn't already a
part of Nolensville's corporate

1280
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:04,120
boundaries. So this is a natural movement.
And, um, thank you for your time, Victor.

1281
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:08,653
Thank you for that very good analysis you
gave to me in that meeting that I have

1282
01:27:08,653 --> 01:27:09,900
with these good folks.

1283
01:27:09,900 --> 01:27:11,490
Thank you.

1284
01:27:14,490 --> 01:27:18,250
Any other discussion or questions related
to these 2 agenda items?

1285
01:27:18,250 --> 01:27:20,881
Just quickly, again, thank you for the
time.

1286
01:27:20,881 --> 01:27:23,393
Thank you for the staff looking into this.

1287
01:27:23,393 --> 01:27:27,579
I think we all agree as we've had these
meetings that while, you know,

1288
01:27:27,579 --> 01:27:32,303
we're going to battle legislature and the
evolution that they're going to bring

1289
01:27:32,303 --> 01:27:34,157
forth in potential annexations,

1290
01:27:34,157 --> 01:27:38,761
I think it does point to where we may have
our own shortcomings in zoning to,

1291
01:27:38,761 --> 01:27:43,366
to bring forward the vision of what the
Williams family wants to do with this

1292
01:27:43,366 --> 01:27:47,432
property. So if you just be patient with
us as we work through that,

1293
01:27:47,432 --> 01:27:50,960
I think that's going to, I think, bring
the vision to life.

1294
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:55,928
So I've expressed this since the first
Planning Commission where both property

1295
01:27:55,928 --> 01:28:00,768
owners came forward to annex and, and
expressed this in our meeting as well,

1296
01:28:00,768 --> 01:28:05,672
that I do think there's no justice for you
or for us or the property owner in

1297
01:28:05,672 --> 01:28:09,876
annexing you and then saying, hey, we'd
also like to see X zoning.

1298
01:28:09,876 --> 01:28:14,780
And, and so upzoning you at this point
when we are going through an extensive

1299
01:28:14,780 --> 01:28:18,729
overlook of our current zoning is not
beneficial to any party,

1300
01:28:18,729 --> 01:28:22,423
including us and what we want for the
future in the south.

1301
01:28:22,423 --> 01:28:24,143
And so even in our meeting,

1302
01:28:24,143 --> 01:28:29,238
I appreciate the conversation being we're
not in a hurry and we have to get this

1303
01:28:29,238 --> 01:28:29,620
right.

1304
01:28:29,620 --> 01:28:29,940
Thank you.

1305
01:28:30,450 --> 01:28:32,445
And being patient with us as staff.

1306
01:28:32,445 --> 01:28:35,865
So I've agreed all along that annexing is
the correct thing.

1307
01:28:35,865 --> 01:28:39,628
We, we know even in the last few months
legislation has been done,

1308
01:28:39,628 --> 01:28:42,079
but we already have rewrites starting,
and,

1309
01:28:42,079 --> 01:28:45,385
and we will see county annexation coming
back this season.

1310
01:28:45,385 --> 01:28:50,002
So I appreciate everything that you all
have done and your patience to get there,

1311
01:28:50,002 --> 01:28:53,537
your willingness to kind of hold and have
additional meetings.

1312
01:28:53,537 --> 01:28:57,470
But I do believe that your annexation is
proper and coming in at CD2.

1313
01:28:57,470 --> 01:29:02,270
Ditto. And what that looks like.

1314
01:29:02,270 --> 01:29:03,710
You're welcome.

1315
01:29:04,910 --> 01:29:07,710
All right. So we will see you all at the
August voting meeting.

1316
01:29:07,710 --> 01:29:08,190
Great.

1317
01:29:08,430 --> 01:29:08,670
Thank you.

1318
01:29:08,670 --> 01:29:09,790
All right.

1319
01:29:09,950 --> 01:29:16,366
The next 2 items under unfinished business
are second reading of

1320
01:29:16,366 --> 01:29:22,781
Ordinance 26-10 for The annexation of the
Van Slyke property and

1321
01:29:22,781 --> 01:29:27,593
Resolution 26045, which is also related to
that.

1322
01:29:27,593 --> 01:29:30,600
I will start with staff again.

1323
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,480
Thank you, Mayor.

1324
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:38,628
Uh, similar to the last item, both
Ordinance 2610 and Resolution 2645,

1325
01:29:38,628 --> 01:29:42,766
there's a staff report under the
resolution portion of that.

1326
01:29:42,766 --> 01:29:47,800
This item has gone both to the Planning
Commission and before this board.

1327
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,903
Prior for a first reading and public
hearing.

1328
01:29:50,903 --> 01:29:56,214
Staff supports and has recommended
favorable approval and happy to answer any

1329
01:29:56,214 --> 01:29:57,800
questions you may have.

1330
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:02,120
And does the applicant want to come up as
well?

1331
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:06,977
Good evening, Mayor, members of the
council, staff. My name is Mike Burton.

1332
01:30:06,977 --> 01:30:08,920
I'm with Landmark Investments.

1333
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:12,546
I'm working with the Van Slyke property or
family to Uh,

1334
01:30:12,546 --> 01:30:17,532
bring their property into the town of
Nolensville. From the beginning, as Mr.

1335
01:30:17,532 --> 01:30:22,648
Gill mentioned, the impetus for these
properties coming in as sister properties

1336
01:30:22,648 --> 01:30:22,843
properties coming in as sister properties
was

1337
01:30:22,843 --> 01:30:28,282
state legislation and the overreach that I
think most all agree that the county was,

1338
01:30:28,282 --> 01:30:30,225
was trying to reach or obtain.

1339
01:30:30,225 --> 01:30:34,434
And as, as he mentioned and many others
have pointed out as well.

1340
01:30:34,434 --> 01:30:35,730
Just, you know, the,

1341
01:30:35,730 --> 01:30:41,169
the fact that that failed this time around
doesn't mean it's going to fail next time

1342
01:30:41,169 --> 01:30:43,177
around or the next time around.

1343
01:30:43,177 --> 01:30:47,775
And, uh, the Van Syke family has been in
the town for many, many years,

1344
01:30:47,775 --> 01:30:51,013
and their alignment has always been with
the town.

1345
01:30:51,013 --> 01:30:55,869
And, um, you know, because of the, um, uh,
the state legislature's actions,

1346
01:30:55,869 --> 01:31:00,726
you know, it really pushed this, uh, to
move forward up and up in timeline.

1347
01:31:00,726 --> 01:31:05,454
So, uh, really appreciate, uh, the
considerations that you guys have, um,

1348
01:31:05,454 --> 01:31:08,562
in bringing in $600,000 acres or so to the
town.

1349
01:31:08,562 --> 01:31:13,743
But at this point in time, there's no
intentions for any additional zoning asks,

1350
01:31:13,743 --> 01:31:17,304
whether up or down at the property or for
the property.

1351
01:31:17,304 --> 01:31:19,895
It is simply just to come into the town,

1352
01:31:19,895 --> 01:31:22,938
get alignment with the town's goals
ultimately,

1353
01:31:22,938 --> 01:31:27,860
and we'll see what transpires from there.
But happy to answer any questions.

1354
01:31:27,860 --> 01:31:32,862
Thank you. Any questions or discussion
related to the Vance Lake annexation?

1355
01:31:32,862 --> 01:31:37,996
So I think my main question related to
this goes back to the alternative sewer

1356
01:31:37,996 --> 01:31:42,866
discussion that we had earlier and just
getting clarity on the subdivision

1357
01:31:42,866 --> 01:31:46,552
regulations and the number of feet from
available sewer.

1358
01:31:46,552 --> 01:31:50,633
I do believe, just based on the
measurement in the GIS system,

1359
01:31:50,633 --> 01:31:55,964
that the Van Slyke property would be more
than 1,000 feet from the existing sewer

1360
01:31:55,964 --> 01:31:59,650
line. And so I just want to make sure I
understand that.

1361
01:31:59,650 --> 01:31:59,810
Yes.

1362
01:32:00,010 --> 01:32:04,642
understand how that applies, if it
applies,

1363
01:32:04,642 --> 01:32:10,890
and if what's in the plan for service
specific to sewer is

1364
01:32:10,890 --> 01:32:17,139
still accurate. Any other feedback or
questions related to

1365
01:32:17,139 --> 01:32:18,970
this agenda item?

1366
01:32:18,970 --> 01:32:24,970
I'm happy to explain what I understand our
position to be on the sewer item.

1367
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:25,520
Yes.

1368
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:28,578
With respect to the Vance Lake property,

1369
01:32:28,578 --> 01:32:34,542
it is in the Mill Creek Sewer Service
Basin and it is subject to Metro's sewer

1370
01:32:34,542 --> 01:32:38,824
system and the ability to— for them to
service the site.

1371
01:32:38,824 --> 01:32:42,494
Yes, it is outside of 1,000 feet, but, you
know,

1372
01:32:42,494 --> 01:32:48,152
Metro has made comments previously in the
past, not through us in any way.

1373
01:32:48,152 --> 01:32:49,681
This is third-party.

1374
01:32:49,681 --> 01:32:55,798
That they would not release any area from
their Mill Creek Basin to be served in

1375
01:32:55,798 --> 01:32:57,862
some other alternative way.

1376
01:32:57,862 --> 01:33:03,520
So there is no intention on trying to move
forward with some other avenue.

1377
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:04,880
Okay.

1378
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:07,507
And so thank you. I appreciate that.

1379
01:33:07,507 --> 01:33:10,523
I am looking for that agreement that
Victor—

1380
01:33:10,523 --> 01:33:14,155
I am assuming that is part of that
agreement earlier.

1381
01:33:14,155 --> 01:33:18,542
So I will want that before the the voting
meeting, just so that—

1382
01:33:18,542 --> 01:33:23,202
but you may have your votes without me, so
it doesn't really matter.

1383
01:33:23,202 --> 01:33:28,000
But, um, okay, any other discussion or
comments about this annexation?

1384
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:30,400
Thank you for your time again.

1385
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:31,120
We appreciate it.

1386
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:31,440
Thank you.

1387
01:33:31,440 --> 01:33:37,602
Okay, the other item that we talked about
moving up for people that are in the

1388
01:33:37,602 --> 01:33:41,868
audience would be item 3, 4, and 5 under
new business,

1389
01:33:41,868 --> 01:33:48,187
which is first reading of Ordinance 26-14,
an ordinance amending the zoning map.

1390
01:33:48,187 --> 01:33:53,954
This is one that was discussed in the, I
believe, June 15th work session,

1391
01:33:53,954 --> 01:33:57,035
which is the Tarver-Ringman annexation.

1392
01:33:57,035 --> 01:34:01,617
And this also includes a rezoning to
Character District 3.

1393
01:34:01,617 --> 01:34:03,750
So I will start with staff.

1394
01:34:04,590 --> 01:34:06,187
Thank you, Mayor. Yeah,

1395
01:34:06,187 --> 01:34:11,393
this was at last month's Planning
Commission where it did receive favorable

1396
01:34:11,393 --> 01:34:16,529
recommendation from the Planning
Commission to the Board of Commissioners.

1397
01:34:16,529 --> 01:34:21,596
Staff does have a recommendation of
approval for both Resolution 2676 and

1398
01:34:21,596 --> 01:34:22,221
approval for both Resolution 2676 and
Ordinance

1399
01:34:22,221 --> 01:34:24,720
2614. Happy to answer any questions.

1400
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:27,925
Any questions for staff?

1401
01:34:27,925 --> 01:34:31,932
And does the applicant want to

1402
01:34:31,932 --> 01:34:34,180
come up?

1403
01:34:37,180 --> 01:34:42,981
Good evening. My name is John Tarver, and
I represent the landowners,

1404
01:34:42,981 --> 01:34:44,915
Ammon and Anna Ringman.

1405
01:34:44,915 --> 01:34:49,707
We intend to hope to annex and rezone this
property CD-3,

1406
01:34:49,707 --> 01:34:55,509
and our intent is to build 51
single-family residential units at this

1407
01:34:55,509 --> 01:34:56,265
single-family residential units at this
property.

1408
01:34:56,265 --> 01:35:01,394
We have a site plan. The average width of
the lot is 55 feet.

1409
01:35:01,394 --> 01:35:03,580
Average depth is 110 feet.

1410
01:35:03,580 --> 01:35:03,820
Thank you.

1411
01:35:04,860 --> 01:35:07,265
And again, yeah, I'm happy to answer any
questions.

1412
01:35:07,265 --> 01:35:08,585
I know this is new business,

1413
01:35:08,585 --> 01:35:11,226
so you may not have had a lot of time to
look at it yet,

1414
01:35:11,226 --> 01:35:13,820
but if you do have questions, I'm happy to
answer them.

1415
01:35:13,820 --> 01:35:16,388
So questions for the applicant?

1416
01:35:16,388 --> 01:35:20,697
So I am wondering, did we discuss this on
June 15th,

1417
01:35:20,697 --> 01:35:25,419
or am I just remembering the Planning
Commission meeting?

1418
01:35:25,419 --> 01:35:30,970
Is Planning Commission the only place that
This has been discussed.

1419
01:35:30,970 --> 01:35:34,202
This also came before you for the
initiation discussion,

1420
01:35:34,202 --> 01:35:36,627
and that was prior to Planning Commission.

1421
01:35:36,627 --> 01:35:39,224
So it came to you all for— at a work
session,

1422
01:35:39,224 --> 01:35:42,572
and then went through the full Planning
Commission review.

1423
01:35:42,572 --> 01:35:44,650
That happened July 15th, and now it—

1424
01:35:44,890 --> 01:35:46,290
now it is here.

1425
01:35:46,970 --> 01:35:50,990
So my feedback is, is similar to what it
was then,

1426
01:35:50,990 --> 01:35:56,056
which is concern for expanding the
character district for CD-3.

1427
01:35:56,056 --> 01:36:01,362
Um, which was in the discussions for the
zoning ordinance in 2023,

1428
01:36:01,362 --> 01:36:04,820
was a transitional zone from a CD-4,
CD-4C,

1429
01:36:04,820 --> 01:36:09,242
or office industrial into more low-density
residential.

1430
01:36:09,242 --> 01:36:15,433
Um, I know that in the staff report
there's references to the requirement for

1431
01:36:15,433 --> 01:36:18,890
connectivity into what is the existing
3DC,

1432
01:36:18,890 --> 01:36:22,830
which is on the southern portion of the
property.

1433
01:36:22,830 --> 01:36:23,390
Yes.

1434
01:36:24,740 --> 01:36:30,680
And that, that staff had said that for,
um, for submitted site plans,

1435
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:33,091
that would be a requirement.

1436
01:36:33,091 --> 01:36:38,342
But that's a piece I'm still not entirely
understanding what,

1437
01:36:38,342 --> 01:36:43,077
to quote Vice Mayor Salamida, what that
will look like.

1438
01:36:43,077 --> 01:36:48,587
Um, and so this is our first time seeing
it as a submitted plan.

1439
01:36:48,587 --> 01:36:49,620
There's not—

1440
01:36:49,620 --> 01:36:49,860
Yes.

1441
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:54,181
From what I remember when we talked about
it broadly,

1442
01:36:54,181 --> 01:36:56,609
any changes to the concept plan.

1443
01:36:56,609 --> 01:37:01,085
But I have some concerns about the
application of the zone.

1444
01:37:01,085 --> 01:37:07,458
Also, the application of the zone because
we have turned down other annexations that

1445
01:37:07,458 --> 01:37:10,947
wanted to go into the CD-3 character
district.

1446
01:37:10,947 --> 01:37:15,120
So that is my 2 cents from the initial
discussion here.

1447
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:16,210
Thank you.

1448
01:37:19,210 --> 01:37:25,488
I do not disagree. I unfortunately had a
family event and was not able to

1449
01:37:25,488 --> 01:37:28,841
attend the Planning Commission meeting.

1450
01:37:28,841 --> 01:37:34,603
I do have some concern with the upzone in
this particular location,

1451
01:37:34,603 --> 01:37:37,871
much like we did further to the south.

1452
01:37:37,871 --> 01:37:39,935
So looked at this twice,

1453
01:37:39,935 --> 01:37:46,384
reviewed the Planning Commission meeting
and gone through it several times,

1454
01:37:46,384 --> 01:37:52,060
and then looking at this I agree is what I
will say at this point.

1455
01:37:54,300 --> 01:37:55,180
Additional feedback?

1456
01:37:55,180 --> 01:38:00,508
I think the mayor's point is well taken—
pardon me— as well as noting that—

1457
01:38:00,508 --> 01:38:05,836
as well as noting that we have actually
declined another annexation request

1458
01:38:05,836 --> 01:38:06,334
declined another annexation request
because

1459
01:38:06,334 --> 01:38:11,307
of this request a CD-3 due to— it's almost
for the exact same purpose.

1460
01:38:11,307 --> 01:38:16,493
So with all that being said, I am looking
at the items we have before us.

1461
01:38:16,493 --> 01:38:19,477
I am certainly not against the annexation.

1462
01:38:19,477 --> 01:38:24,947
However, we might need to review the CD-3
request and see what else could be—

1463
01:38:24,947 --> 01:38:29,636
what might make better sense for that
particular part of our town,

1464
01:38:29,636 --> 01:38:32,264
assuming it becomes part of our town.

1465
01:38:32,264 --> 01:38:36,243
So I agree with the mayor on both points
in that regard.

1466
01:38:36,243 --> 01:38:40,150
And I'm sure we can find a way to move
forward, though.

1467
01:38:40,150 --> 01:38:46,953
I will just echo the sentiment of the rest
of the board.

1468
01:38:46,953 --> 01:38:51,206
I'm not opposed to this annexation,

1469
01:38:51,206 --> 01:38:58,859
but I am reluctant to say CD-3 is the
right application in this

1470
01:38:58,859 --> 01:39:02,990
parcel. That's my largest concern.

1471
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:06,560
Commissioner Carpenter, do you have any
feedback?

1472
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:12,364
Uh, in addition to what everyone else has
said, my, my concern,

1473
01:39:12,364 --> 01:39:19,274
just looking at the concept plan, I
realize things change, but connectivity

1474
01:39:19,274 --> 01:39:19,550
realize things change, but connectivity
is,

1475
01:39:19,550 --> 01:39:21,761
is also important to me.

1476
01:39:21,761 --> 01:39:28,855
Um, I'm having a hard time conceptualizing
that, but like everyone else said,

1477
01:39:28,855 --> 01:39:31,987
that we've We've been here before.

1478
01:39:31,987 --> 01:39:37,791
Annexation, contiguous annexation, I
support almost every time.

1479
01:39:37,791 --> 01:39:42,490
The zone would have to be worked out a
little more.

1480
01:39:42,490 --> 01:39:49,450
Do you have any questions or feedback for
the board as part of the work session?

1481
01:39:49,450 --> 01:39:53,877
Sure, yeah. I would just like to say
regarding the connectivity,

1482
01:39:53,877 --> 01:39:56,921
that's something that our engineers are
Yes.

1483
01:39:56,921 --> 01:40:00,518
So that is something that we are studying
right now.

1484
01:40:00,518 --> 01:40:05,568
That was one of the items that came up
with Planning Commission or it was

1485
01:40:05,568 --> 01:40:06,191
with Planning Commission or it was
something

1486
01:40:06,191 --> 01:40:10,203
that was anticipated might come up by
Planning Commission.

1487
01:40:10,203 --> 01:40:13,039
So our engineers are looking at that now.

1488
01:40:13,039 --> 01:40:15,183
We are eager to work, you know,

1489
01:40:15,183 --> 01:40:20,441
as best we can physically and economically
with the Board's And the zoning's

1490
01:40:20,441 --> 01:40:24,937
regional connectivity or connectivity to
the adjacent properties.

1491
01:40:24,937 --> 01:40:28,465
The property to the south of us is also
zoned CD-3.

1492
01:40:28,465 --> 01:40:33,100
It's our understanding that they are
planning a similar residential

1493
01:40:33,100 --> 01:40:33,930
planning a similar residential
development.

1494
01:40:33,930 --> 01:40:35,936
As I believe you said, Mayor,

1495
01:40:35,936 --> 01:40:41,539
connectivity to the property in the south
is challenging because of the creek and

1496
01:40:41,539 --> 01:40:45,897
also because we don't You know, we don't
control that property.

1497
01:40:45,897 --> 01:40:50,255
We don't yet understand exactly what it is
they're doing there.

1498
01:40:50,255 --> 01:40:52,400
But to the best of our ability,

1499
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:58,003
we intend to cooperate with the adjacent
properties and the adjacent developments

1500
01:40:58,003 --> 01:40:58,141
properties and the adjacent developments
to

1501
01:40:58,141 --> 01:40:59,940
provide that connectivity.

1502
01:40:59,940 --> 01:41:04,660
All right.

1503
01:41:05,060 --> 01:41:07,140
Any additional comments from staff?

1504
01:41:07,540 --> 01:41:07,620
Okay.

1505
01:41:08,180 --> 01:41:09,140
All right. Thank you.

1506
01:41:09,140 --> 01:41:10,340
Thank you.

1507
01:41:10,340 --> 01:41:15,498
All right. To go back to the regular
agenda items.

1508
01:41:15,498 --> 01:41:20,657
The next item is Discussion E, East-West
Corridor,

1509
01:41:20,657 --> 01:41:24,990
Rocky Fork Road to McEwen discussion item.

1510
01:41:25,670 --> 01:41:27,912
So we put this on the agenda.

1511
01:41:27,912 --> 01:41:34,098
Obviously, it became an issue last week
when Smyrna announced that they had been

1512
01:41:34,098 --> 01:41:38,506
funded for the preliminary engineering for
their portion.

1513
01:41:38,506 --> 01:41:42,913
So there's not any construction funding of
their portion.

1514
01:41:42,913 --> 01:41:48,249
I think we have sent to you all the—
resent to you all the study, its

1515
01:41:48,249 --> 01:41:49,099
resent to you all the study, its
parameters,

1516
01:41:49,099 --> 01:41:55,131
and was just trying to find out what
information you all wanted us to put back

1517
01:41:55,131 --> 01:41:55,363
information you all wanted us to put back
out

1518
01:41:55,363 --> 01:42:00,621
into the public, what kind of statements
that you wanted us to make.

1519
01:42:00,621 --> 01:42:03,018
I think— Commissioner Salamida,

1520
01:42:03,018 --> 01:42:09,204
Vice Mayor Salamida had sent us a list of
questions that she had been receiving.

1521
01:42:09,204 --> 01:42:15,003
We tried to do an answer for those
questions and sent those back out to you

1522
01:42:15,003 --> 01:42:15,312
questions and sent those back out to you
all,

1523
01:42:15,312 --> 01:42:20,880
so folks were pinging you, you would have
to be able to make a response.

1524
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:26,911
Do you want us to make some type of
official statement in regard to, to all of

1525
01:42:26,911 --> 01:42:27,298
official statement in regard to, to all of
this?

1526
01:42:27,298 --> 01:42:29,540
What would you like us to do?

1527
01:42:29,540 --> 01:42:31,499
I always say knowledge is power,

1528
01:42:31,499 --> 01:42:34,928
and so if we are able to at least point
out the portion,

1529
01:42:34,928 --> 01:42:40,071
portion that has been approved And we can
put out even a map of the potential future

1530
01:42:40,071 --> 01:42:45,092
of what the East-West Connector will look
like. I think that is beneficial for us.

1531
01:42:45,092 --> 01:42:47,235
It also answers a lot of questions.

1532
01:42:47,235 --> 01:42:50,358
Some very easily can get a hold of us and
often do,

1533
01:42:50,358 --> 01:42:54,827
which is a lot of the questions that I
received as soon as this went out.

1534
01:42:54,827 --> 01:42:59,052
But I do believe that as we are kind of
the middle connector of this,

1535
01:42:59,052 --> 01:43:03,583
it would benefit us to put something out
just to say this is what has been

1536
01:43:03,583 --> 01:43:04,134
just to say this is what has been
approved,

1537
01:43:04,134 --> 01:43:08,849
the section that will start construction,
here's where it goes in the future,

1538
01:43:08,849 --> 01:43:12,400
here's a map of what has been approved,
and go from there.

1539
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:18,934
Yeah, I also got a lot of questions when
that came out and some calls specifically

1540
01:43:18,934 --> 01:43:22,440
from Scales Farmstead, as I'm sure many
did.

1541
01:43:22,440 --> 01:43:27,540
Um, and as Vice Mayor Salamida indicated,
just having Something—

1542
01:43:27,540 --> 01:43:30,966
sometimes these studies get lost in
memory,

1543
01:43:30,966 --> 01:43:36,943
and so reminding the background that
Nolensville participated cooperatively

1544
01:43:36,943 --> 01:43:37,261
Nolensville participated cooperatively
with

1545
01:43:37,261 --> 01:43:43,078
other jurisdictions, not just in
Williamson County but also in Rutherford

1546
01:43:43,078 --> 01:43:43,636
Williamson County but also in Rutherford
County,

1547
01:43:43,636 --> 01:43:45,628
on studying the corridor,

1548
01:43:45,628 --> 01:43:51,445
and when the proposed alignment was added
to the Major Thoroughfare Plan,

1549
01:43:51,445 --> 01:43:55,270
I think that that is, is helpful to, to
put out.

1550
01:43:55,270 --> 01:43:55,510
Thank you.

1551
01:43:56,150 --> 01:43:58,861
Um, also level-setting expectations.

1552
01:43:58,861 --> 01:44:03,679
Smyrna may have preliminary design
funding, but that is not, uh,

1553
01:44:03,679 --> 01:44:05,336
close to construction.

1554
01:44:05,336 --> 01:44:10,004
We applaud them on funding they can get,
as we also, you know,

1555
01:44:10,004 --> 01:44:15,576
have focused on the Nolensville Road
project with participating in the SPP

1556
01:44:15,576 --> 01:44:20,470
program, um, with TDOT investing, you
know, close to $94 million.

1557
01:44:20,470 --> 01:44:20,870
Okay.

1558
01:44:21,490 --> 01:44:24,394
on what will be our major thoroughfare,

1559
01:44:24,394 --> 01:44:27,521
or is our major thoroughfare through town.

1560
01:44:27,521 --> 01:44:33,106
But I think it is helpful to just
periodically remind what cooperative work

1561
01:44:33,106 --> 01:44:33,329
periodically remind what cooperative work
has

1562
01:44:33,329 --> 01:44:38,690
been done on other corridors because this
will be key long-term as well.

1563
01:44:38,690 --> 01:44:43,080
I will say that we applied for funding
along with

1564
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:47,023
them, with them, and our section did not
get

1565
01:44:47,023 --> 01:44:47,650
funded.

1566
01:44:48,900 --> 01:44:54,503
Yeah, I think the interstate interchange
is a key component of that and the amount

1567
01:44:54,503 --> 01:44:56,007
of the volume. I mean,

1568
01:44:56,007 --> 01:45:01,747
that's one of the challenges that we have
through everything is while our traffic is

1569
01:45:01,747 --> 01:45:07,213
not great, the volume here versus the
volume in Smyrna or even La Verne with the

1570
01:45:07,213 --> 01:45:11,382
interstate and Franklin will just— they're
just not the same.

1571
01:45:11,382 --> 01:45:16,302
All right, any other discussion or
questions for The east-west corridor,

1572
01:45:16,302 --> 01:45:19,172
Rocky Fork Road to McEwen discussion item.

1573
01:45:19,172 --> 01:45:22,520
All right, the next item is SPP project
contract.

1574
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:29,222
So we've provided to each of you all a
copy of the contract that was sent to us.

1575
01:45:29,222 --> 01:45:36,175
Chuck, do you want to— uh, well, no, I'm
sorry, I was looking down at the next one.

1576
01:45:36,175 --> 01:45:39,945
Anyway, we provided that contract to you
all.

1577
01:45:39,945 --> 01:45:44,552
It's Basically the terms that you all have
seen before.

1578
01:45:44,552 --> 01:45:50,500
We do have to— when we sign the contract,
we have to send in the check.

1579
01:45:50,500 --> 01:45:57,285
So what we'll be doing is looking to put a
resolution for you all authorizing the

1580
01:45:57,285 --> 01:45:59,547
mayor to sign the contract,

1581
01:45:59,547 --> 01:46:06,640
and that will also authorize us to release
the $500,000 to TDOT. Thank you.

1582
01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:12,520
Any questions related to the SPP project
contract?

1583
01:46:12,520 --> 01:46:15,713
I would just add that as part of the
contract,

1584
01:46:15,713 --> 01:46:21,404
you all need to understand that this is a
pretty significant long-term commitment.

1585
01:46:21,404 --> 01:46:23,070
There are cost overruns,

1586
01:46:23,070 --> 01:46:27,443
which seem to be pretty common in today's
transportation world.

1587
01:46:27,443 --> 01:46:30,497
You're signing on for a long period of
time.

1588
01:46:30,497 --> 01:46:33,273
as a partner to covering those expenses.

1589
01:46:33,273 --> 01:46:38,756
So you want to make sure at the end of the
day you understand that the baseline

1590
01:46:38,756 --> 01:46:43,823
commitment, but that there may be costs
above and beyond that that you're

1591
01:46:43,823 --> 01:46:44,517
above and beyond that that you're
committing

1592
01:46:44,517 --> 01:46:46,530
the town to in the long haul.

1593
01:46:46,530 --> 01:46:50,865
Significant commitment, uh, is an
understatement for sure.

1594
01:46:50,865 --> 01:46:57,143
This is quite possibly the largest This is
the largest financial commitment that our

1595
01:46:57,143 --> 01:47:01,478
town has undertaken in any sort of
transportation project,

1596
01:47:01,478 --> 01:47:07,009
and it does make me sick to my stomach
every single time we talk about it.

1597
01:47:07,009 --> 01:47:12,913
However, the single most common item that
I hear from citizens as a priority is

1598
01:47:12,913 --> 01:47:16,127
being able to travel down Nolensville
Road.

1599
01:47:16,127 --> 01:47:20,537
It's not just convenience because you want
to go somewhere.

1600
01:47:20,537 --> 01:47:22,480
It's economic development,

1601
01:47:22,480 --> 01:47:27,787
the ability for our business businesses to
have customers come to them.

1602
01:47:27,787 --> 01:47:33,467
It is quality of life, it's safety, it's
connectivity, it is all the things.

1603
01:47:33,467 --> 01:47:39,297
I know that Commissioner Carpenter likes
to give me a hard time about things I

1604
01:47:39,297 --> 01:47:41,987
repeat over and over and over again,

1605
01:47:41,987 --> 01:47:46,173
but I am most likely to be yelled at
because of traffic.

1606
01:47:46,173 --> 01:47:49,013
I imagine the rest of you are as well.

1607
01:47:49,013 --> 01:47:55,142
The $500,000 is just the beginning because
there is these specific commitment that

1608
01:47:55,142 --> 01:48:00,523
we pledged as part of the SPP, the overrun
is the most challenging part.

1609
01:48:00,523 --> 01:48:06,203
I mean, you can look at what we just
talked about with the historic district

1610
01:48:06,203 --> 01:48:10,015
streetscape and know that that is likely a
reality.

1611
01:48:10,015 --> 01:48:13,154
But, um, with all the information we have,

1612
01:48:13,154 --> 01:48:18,760
I still feel that moving forward with the
SPP partnership with the state of

1613
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:24,963
Tennessee, actively working with them to
communicate Because they ultimately manage

1614
01:48:24,963 --> 01:48:30,644
the project, but staying in constant—
staff staying in constant contact with

1615
01:48:30,644 --> 01:48:31,092
staff staying in constant contact with
those,

1616
01:48:31,092 --> 01:48:35,576
with the board, getting project updates as
much as possible.

1617
01:48:35,576 --> 01:48:38,641
This is key to the core of our community.

1618
01:48:38,641 --> 01:48:40,136
In addition to that,

1619
01:48:40,136 --> 01:48:45,816
the Transportation Modernization Act that
included the choice lanes on I-24,

1620
01:48:45,816 --> 01:48:48,282
when construction starts on that,

1621
01:48:48,282 --> 01:48:52,617
will add additional traffic through
through our community.

1622
01:48:52,617 --> 01:48:54,859
And so we can't— from my view,

1623
01:48:54,859 --> 01:49:00,913
we can't kind of bury our heads in the
sand that Nolensville Road continues to be

1624
01:49:00,913 --> 01:49:06,220
something we have to advocate for and put
our money where our mouth is.

1625
01:49:06,220 --> 01:49:12,640
Yeah, I'll just add, I think there are
many times when we say to residents,

1626
01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:17,776
Nolensville Road is TDOT. Can't do
anything about it. Sorry.

1627
01:49:17,776 --> 01:49:22,570
This is one of those times we can do
something about it.

1628
01:49:22,570 --> 01:49:28,819
We have been given an opportunity to, to
move this notion forward and to,

1629
01:49:28,819 --> 01:49:35,838
to do something big for the town. And I, I
get that it's heavy. Um, I feel it too.

1630
01:49:35,838 --> 01:49:41,830
But I also think that there are moments
where we have to be, you know,

1631
01:49:41,830 --> 01:49:48,421
using the word courageous for a road
project seems But I think that's what it

1632
01:49:48,421 --> 01:49:48,678
project seems But I think that's what it
is.

1633
01:49:48,678 --> 01:49:54,328
I think we have to, as a board, we have to
take that step and, um,

1634
01:49:54,328 --> 01:49:59,892
and do what we can to, to, to better the
quality of life in town.

1635
01:49:59,892 --> 01:50:06,740
So I'm still, I'm still fully on board,
and I think we're doing the right thing.

1636
01:50:06,740 --> 01:50:12,495
You say courageous like we're playing
Frogger across the 5-lane road.

1637
01:50:12,495 --> 01:50:19,418
Uh, I, I think Commissioner Carpenter kind
of nailed it. We need to take this jump.

1638
01:50:19,418 --> 01:50:23,338
Uh, I heard it at the business mixer last
week.

1639
01:50:23,338 --> 01:50:29,176
How do, how do we, how do we get people
through here more effectively?

1640
01:50:29,176 --> 01:50:32,679
So, um, it's a big commitment on our part.

1641
01:50:32,679 --> 01:50:39,351
We have to be cognizant of that for future
boards and for the community at large

1642
01:50:39,351 --> 01:50:45,690
and, and I think it's a major jumping-off
point for us, but I'm here for it.

1643
01:50:45,690 --> 01:50:48,803
I remember the night that we discussed
what, if any,

1644
01:50:48,803 --> 01:50:53,414
contribution we might pledge to this
project if we could get ourselves on the

1645
01:50:53,414 --> 01:50:57,844
10-year list. And I respected and
appreciated the heavy lifting done by my

1646
01:50:57,844 --> 01:51:02,335
colleagues and the advice we got from
counsel and from Victor and his team.

1647
01:51:02,335 --> 01:51:07,304
And I concur with the mayor in regard to
the nausea we all feel about the amount of

1648
01:51:07,304 --> 01:51:09,819
money that we're having to commit to this.

1649
01:51:09,819 --> 01:51:14,130
I will also look at it from a different
vantage point, and that is this:

1650
01:51:14,130 --> 01:51:17,183
we're on the list. This time last year we
were not.

1651
01:51:17,183 --> 01:51:21,853
And that is something— this is, this is
the, the game upon which we must play,

1652
01:51:21,853 --> 01:51:25,027
and it's the way that state road projects
get funded.

1653
01:51:25,027 --> 01:51:27,002
And this town is now on the list.

1654
01:51:27,002 --> 01:51:30,954
That's 10 years away, I get that, but at
least we're on that list.

1655
01:51:30,954 --> 01:51:32,271
We weren't a year ago.

1656
01:51:32,271 --> 01:51:35,025
And so to my neighbors all across
Nolensville,

1657
01:51:35,025 --> 01:51:39,037
I would hope that we let them know that we
hear you, we understand,

1658
01:51:39,037 --> 01:51:41,552
we drive that same thoroughfare every day,

1659
01:51:41,552 --> 01:51:44,126
and we want the very best for our
citizens,

1660
01:51:44,126 --> 01:51:47,000
for our people that are in business in our
town,

1661
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:51,371
and for the people that are trying to
live, work, and earn a living here.

1662
01:51:51,371 --> 01:51:55,203
And this is something we can do, to echo
Commissioner Carpenter.

1663
01:51:55,203 --> 01:51:57,957
And I'm very thankful we had this
opportunity.

1664
01:51:57,957 --> 01:52:00,352
And when the resolution is prepared, Mr.

1665
01:52:00,352 --> 01:52:05,261
Lay, I'll be voting in favor of it to give
the mayor the authorization to sign it.

1666
01:52:05,261 --> 01:52:07,240
Thank you.

1667
01:52:10,240 --> 01:52:11,402
All right, thank you.

1668
01:52:11,402 --> 01:52:15,607
The next discussion item is Police
Headquarters Construction Manager at Risk

1669
01:52:15,607 --> 01:52:16,160
selection.

1670
01:52:16,160 --> 01:52:20,200
Mayor, members of the board, I'll keep my
comments brief.

1671
01:52:20,200 --> 01:52:25,586
You were provided in your agenda package a
copy of the request for proposal.

1672
01:52:25,586 --> 01:52:30,830
Hopefully that gives you an idea of what
we were looking for in terms of a

1673
01:52:30,830 --> 01:52:32,886
construction manager partner.

1674
01:52:32,886 --> 01:52:37,422
We were successful in Receiving 11
different proposals from very

1675
01:52:37,422 --> 01:52:38,414
different proposals from very
well-qualified

1676
01:52:38,414 --> 01:52:43,446
construction contractors, many of which
have extensive CMAR experience.

1677
01:52:43,446 --> 01:52:48,548
Out of the initial review process with
town staff that included both Mr.

1678
01:52:48,548 --> 01:52:52,375
Lay and myself, as well as Enoch and the
police chief,

1679
01:52:52,375 --> 01:52:57,903
we have narrowed the field down for
interviews to American Constructors, Bell,

1680
01:52:57,903 --> 01:52:59,250
and parent company.

1681
01:52:59,180 --> 01:52:59,340
Yes.

1682
01:52:59,340 --> 01:53:03,078
All of which have, as I mentioned,
extensive CMAR experience.

1683
01:53:03,078 --> 01:53:08,102
We are asking them basically to go through
a cost analysis now as part of the next

1684
01:53:08,102 --> 01:53:09,327
step in the process.

1685
01:53:09,327 --> 01:53:14,045
We will be conducting interviews in
mid-August and the intent is to hopefully

1686
01:53:14,045 --> 01:53:14,413
mid-August and the intent is to hopefully
select

1687
01:53:14,413 --> 01:53:18,702
a contractor that we can then move forward
with contract negotiations,

1688
01:53:18,702 --> 01:53:23,481
specifically using the AIA Construction
Manager at Risk template that we have.

1689
01:53:23,481 --> 01:53:28,138
Uh, it's a good one because it also
marries the AI agreement that we'll have

1690
01:53:28,138 --> 01:53:28,383
marries the AI agreement that we'll have
with

1691
01:53:28,383 --> 01:53:30,221
the Architect of Record on it.

1692
01:53:30,221 --> 01:53:34,143
Happy to address any other questions you
may have at this point,

1693
01:53:34,143 --> 01:53:35,981
but the process is continuing.

1694
01:53:35,981 --> 01:53:41,005
We wanted to make sure that you were aware
of where we were in that process and to

1695
01:53:41,005 --> 01:53:43,640
see if you had any questions at this
point.

1696
01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:45,791
Can you just repeat for me again?

1697
01:53:45,791 --> 01:53:53,420
So you have Bell parent and American
Constructors, Bell and parent company.

1698
01:53:56,420 --> 01:54:00,100
Any questions or discussion for this
update?

1699
01:54:00,100 --> 01:54:05,700
No action requested, so thank you.

1700
01:54:05,700 --> 01:54:08,120
Thank you, Chuck. All right,

1701
01:54:08,120 --> 01:54:12,008
the next item on the discussion agenda is
All

1702
01:54:12,008 --> 01:54:14,860
Nashville Roadshow Special Event.

1703
01:54:17,230 --> 01:54:24,285
So we'd been approached by All Nashville
Roadshow wanting to host an event there,

1704
01:54:24,285 --> 01:54:27,683
self-described as an Opry-styled event.

1705
01:54:27,683 --> 01:54:32,125
They would come in and it's totally
self-contained,

1706
01:54:32,125 --> 01:54:38,048
so there's not anything that we would have
to provide or do on this,

1707
01:54:38,048 --> 01:54:40,574
and it doesn't cost the town.

1708
01:54:40,574 --> 01:54:46,846
It is— they end up selling tickets in
advance for their particular show.

1709
01:54:46,846 --> 01:54:53,640
They had approached us because they were
looking for a spot to host the event.

1710
01:54:53,640 --> 01:54:59,911
Initially, we were looking at the front
portion of the Chris Munro Park.

1711
01:54:59,911 --> 01:55:06,793
We've had some internal discussions with
staff to look and see what is the the—

1712
01:55:06,793 --> 01:55:13,151
what's the real possibility that it could
be on that particular property?

1713
01:55:13,151 --> 01:55:19,510
Chuck, do you want to talk a little bit
more about that particular piece?

1714
01:55:19,510 --> 01:55:24,571
You have an item on the agenda later this
evening regarding the park and the

1715
01:55:24,571 --> 01:55:26,169
contract award for that.

1716
01:55:26,169 --> 01:55:29,898
If everything goes well with your
consideration on that,

1717
01:55:29,898 --> 01:55:34,293
we will be turning a package of
information over to TDAC for their

1718
01:55:34,293 --> 01:55:35,226
information over to TDAC for their
consideration.

1719
01:55:35,226 --> 01:55:39,621
And to basically authorize proceeding with
the contract execution,

1720
01:55:39,621 --> 01:55:41,885
which is kind of a Part A, Part B.

1721
01:55:41,885 --> 01:55:43,483
If everything goes well,

1722
01:55:43,483 --> 01:55:48,944
we hope to have a contract ready for your
consideration by the August work session

1723
01:55:48,944 --> 01:55:53,139
with the intent to have you all act on
that in early September.

1724
01:55:53,139 --> 01:55:54,471
That being the case,

1725
01:55:54,471 --> 01:55:59,132
we would issue a Notice to Proceed and
issue a pre-con meeting as Yes.

1726
01:55:59,132 --> 01:56:02,928
So, that's part of that process to get the
work underway.

1727
01:56:02,928 --> 01:56:06,590
Depending on the outcome of the contract
award process,

1728
01:56:06,590 --> 01:56:11,252
the sewer contractor is also the grading
contractor for the park work.

1729
01:56:11,252 --> 01:56:13,183
So, kind of one and the same.

1730
01:56:13,183 --> 01:56:18,111
So, they will be able to basically
transition very efficiently to the dirt

1731
01:56:18,111 --> 01:56:18,510
transition very efficiently to the dirt
moving

1732
01:56:18,510 --> 01:56:19,909
part of the contract.

1733
01:56:19,909 --> 01:56:25,369
There is a strong likelihood that the site
work will obviously involve staging and

1734
01:56:25,369 --> 01:56:27,700
mobilization of a lot of equipment.

1735
01:56:27,650 --> 01:56:28,650
Yes.

1736
01:56:30,610 --> 01:56:36,251
And so, that may render a significant
portion of the property unusable or have

1737
01:56:36,251 --> 01:56:36,613
portion of the property unusable or have
to be

1738
01:56:36,613 --> 01:56:42,399
cordoned off basically to keep citizens
from mixing in with construction traffic

1739
01:56:42,399 --> 01:56:42,616
from mixing in with construction traffic
and

1740
01:56:42,616 --> 01:56:45,292
all the hazards associated with that.

1741
01:56:45,292 --> 01:56:49,270
That may entail basically curtailing the
outdoor event.

1742
01:56:49,270 --> 01:56:54,405
So, if you all proceed with allowing this
on the Crispin park property,

1743
01:56:54,405 --> 01:56:59,757
just understand that it may be with some
limitations or some restrictions,

1744
01:56:59,757 --> 01:57:05,398
basically to cordon off the area that's
set aside for construction work on the

1745
01:57:05,398 --> 01:57:05,760
set aside for construction work on the
park.

1746
01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:07,735
You're speaking my language.

1747
01:57:07,735 --> 01:57:09,568
So, um, I have 2 concerns,

1748
01:57:09,568 --> 01:57:14,717
but one of which was looking at the
timeline for putting in utilities and

1749
01:57:14,717 --> 01:57:15,422
timeline for putting in utilities and
groundwork

1750
01:57:15,422 --> 01:57:19,160
and saying, oh, October, that's going to
be an issue.

1751
01:57:19,160 --> 01:57:24,449
Anyone who's ever been on an active
construction site knows Putting that in

1752
01:57:24,449 --> 01:57:24,731
construction site knows Putting that in
with

1753
01:57:24,731 --> 01:57:30,373
active residents can be a large problem.
So that was one of my biggest concerns.

1754
01:57:30,373 --> 01:57:32,983
So I appreciate you speaking to that.

1755
01:57:32,983 --> 01:57:37,990
I have other concerns too, but I don't
know if there are more comments.

1756
01:57:37,990 --> 01:57:39,518
I would say alternatively,

1757
01:57:39,518 --> 01:57:43,280
if for some reason TDAC does not give us a
timely response back,

1758
01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:45,631
which at this point we don't anticipate,

1759
01:57:45,631 --> 01:57:48,453
in a conversation I had with them this
past Yes.

1760
01:57:48,453 --> 01:57:51,686
They indicated it's measured in days
rather than weeks.

1761
01:57:51,686 --> 01:57:54,037
But if for some reason that was delayed,

1762
01:57:54,037 --> 01:57:57,564
then obviously that pushes it into the
October voting cycle.

1763
01:57:57,564 --> 01:58:01,855
That may provide an opportunity for you
all to have the event because you

1764
01:58:01,855 --> 01:58:02,384
all to have the event because you
obviously

1765
01:58:02,384 --> 01:58:06,968
wouldn't have the construction conflict
going on because the Notice of Proceed

1766
01:58:06,968 --> 01:58:07,262
going on because the Notice of Proceed
would

1767
01:58:07,262 --> 01:58:09,614
not be issued until sometime in October.

1768
01:58:09,614 --> 01:58:13,258
So that's a remote possibility, but, you
know, our hope is to—

1769
01:58:13,258 --> 01:58:17,490
Get that construction work on the park
underway by September, hopefully.

1770
01:58:17,490 --> 01:58:21,663
Is, is the, um, is this organization aware
of

1771
01:58:21,663 --> 01:58:25,650
these internal conversations as they
apply?

1772
01:58:26,050 --> 01:58:29,250
Like, I'd have to defer to Mr. Lay and
others.

1773
01:58:29,250 --> 01:58:35,204
We've had some brief conversation with
them that there could be the possibility

1774
01:58:35,204 --> 01:58:35,355
them that there could be the possibility
of

1775
01:58:35,355 --> 01:58:41,685
some conflicts. We've not had an extensive
conversation with them about to the level

1776
01:58:41,685 --> 01:58:47,036
of that or to the absolute space
requirements that they're going to, to

1777
01:58:47,036 --> 01:58:47,639
requirements that they're going to, to
require.

1778
01:58:47,639 --> 01:58:52,990
Part of that is we wanted to have a
conversation with you all to see if

1779
01:58:52,990 --> 01:58:53,518
conversation with you all to see if
there's

1780
01:58:53,518 --> 01:58:55,477
interest in allowing them.

1781
01:58:55,477 --> 01:59:00,150
We will end up having to lease the space
to them, and we have—

1782
01:59:00,150 --> 01:59:05,350
because one of the things that they do,
they're being self-contained,

1783
01:59:05,350 --> 01:59:08,440
is they have the ability to sell alcohol.

1784
01:59:08,440 --> 01:59:08,760
Okay.

1785
01:59:09,490 --> 01:59:15,708
We can't— we don't allow alcohol on our
properties, uh, as far as city functions.

1786
01:59:15,708 --> 01:59:18,165
If it's leased, then they could.

1787
01:59:18,165 --> 01:59:23,078
We've had them talk to Charles about the
legalities of all that.

1788
01:59:23,078 --> 01:59:28,759
And so that's why we wanted to bring this
to you all and have some further

1789
01:59:28,759 --> 01:59:34,210
discussion with you to see, number one, is
there interest in having it?

1790
01:59:34,210 --> 01:59:34,290
Yes.

1791
01:59:35,870 --> 01:59:42,195
Is there a willingness to lease the
property so that they can do it here?

1792
01:59:42,195 --> 01:59:44,708
And then besides all of that,

1793
01:59:44,708 --> 01:59:50,427
is there going to be room on the property
for them to do all that?

1794
01:59:50,427 --> 01:59:53,200
So basically, this is a— for us,

1795
01:59:53,200 --> 01:59:58,572
this is a fact-finding with you all on
what are your concerns,

1796
01:59:58,572 --> 02:00:04,551
and then we'll end up taking that back to
them to try to convey, yep,

1797
02:00:04,551 --> 02:00:10,270
we can do it, here are the parameters, or
is there someplace else?

1798
02:00:10,270 --> 02:00:12,493
So for me, first and foremost,

1799
02:00:12,493 --> 02:00:17,236
I don't want any possible delay for what's
going on at the park.

1800
02:00:17,236 --> 02:00:22,793
We have a very strict timeline per our
grant that we have to have this work

1801
02:00:22,793 --> 02:00:28,054
complete. I think it's a great idea
reading through the concept and the

1802
02:00:28,054 --> 02:00:28,795
reading through the concept and the
potential.

1803
02:00:28,795 --> 02:00:34,205
I think it's a great, uh, activity to have
in town. A couple of concerns.

1804
02:00:34,205 --> 02:00:36,428
Construction, biggest concern.

1805
02:00:36,428 --> 02:00:40,503
That in itself is a no for me in terms of
the timeline.

1806
02:00:40,503 --> 02:00:46,580
We also have a very large event that has
been a part of Nolensville for quite some

1807
02:00:46,580 --> 02:00:52,434
time, which is the Broken Wheel Festival,
that is very close in time proximity.

1808
02:00:52,434 --> 02:00:58,288
And then lastly, we have Founders Day,
which is that day, and For me, at least,

1809
02:00:58,288 --> 02:01:03,993
Founders Day is something that the town
should be providing to its residents.

1810
02:01:03,993 --> 02:01:07,921
And so while the concert is a great
addition to that,

1811
02:01:07,921 --> 02:01:10,440
it's also a cost to our residents.

1812
02:01:10,440 --> 02:01:15,924
And so if we are here and we are
celebrating and we are putting together a

1813
02:01:15,924 --> 02:01:16,517
celebrating and we are putting together a
Founders

1814
02:01:16,517 --> 02:01:22,371
Day program, I do have a little bit of
hesitation to then having something that

1815
02:01:22,371 --> 02:01:22,667
hesitation to then having something that
they

1816
02:01:22,667 --> 02:01:24,223
would have to pay to,

1817
02:01:24,223 --> 02:01:30,003
to I think it would be very hard for them
to realize that these are 2 separate

1818
02:01:30,003 --> 02:01:35,931
activities. And so we would then be asking
them to purchase tickets to go to the

1819
02:01:35,931 --> 02:01:38,228
concert at a separate location.

1820
02:01:38,228 --> 02:01:43,934
But my biggest concern is definitely
construction and timeline and having our

1821
02:01:43,934 --> 02:01:46,972
residents on an active construction site.

1822
02:01:46,972 --> 02:01:51,270
The insurance and liability there, I don't
know that Yeah.

1823
02:01:51,270 --> 02:01:53,767
I think it's— I love the idea.

1824
02:01:53,767 --> 02:02:00,175
I'm— there's so many unknowns right now
that make it such a big risk to take.

1825
02:02:00,175 --> 02:02:04,585
Coming into this, my, my biggest concern
was traffic.

1826
02:02:04,585 --> 02:02:11,077
I would just want to know It's great that
there's no cost to the town, but if,

1827
02:02:11,077 --> 02:02:15,820
if it shuts down traffic and they don't
manage that well,

1828
02:02:15,820 --> 02:02:19,732
or we don't manage that well, it's a new
thing,

1829
02:02:19,732 --> 02:02:23,144
then that would be a big concern of mine.

1830
02:02:23,144 --> 02:02:29,552
Um, I know in, in other jurisdictions
there are events that are held and I've

1831
02:02:29,552 --> 02:02:29,885
there are events that are held and I've
been

1832
02:02:29,885 --> 02:02:34,795
stuck in traffic for 2 hours because it's,
it's just crazy.

1833
02:02:34,795 --> 02:02:39,788
It may be different with this being a paid
event, but— I Um,

1834
02:02:39,788 --> 02:02:46,113
I think what everybody's saying makes a
lot of sense, and, and I support it.

1835
02:02:46,113 --> 02:02:48,859
I do think an event like this is,

1836
02:02:48,859 --> 02:02:53,936
is great and that our town should pursue
something like this,

1837
02:02:53,936 --> 02:02:57,681
but I realize this is a fact-finding
mission,

1838
02:02:57,681 --> 02:03:04,339
but I would need more facts of my own to
be able to support something like this.

1839
02:03:04,339 --> 02:03:10,830
I realize we're close on time, but we're
also close on time with construction.

1840
02:03:10,830 --> 02:03:16,383
So, so let's take our property out of the
mix for right now and just say that

1841
02:03:16,383 --> 02:03:19,845
there's so much concern about our property
that,

1842
02:03:19,845 --> 02:03:24,966
that we're not interested in leasing that
property for whatever reason.

1843
02:03:24,966 --> 02:03:30,303
There also is the concern that you've had
about its proximity to, in time,

1844
02:03:30,303 --> 02:03:34,847
to other things that are going on,
including the Founders' Day.

1845
02:03:34,847 --> 02:03:40,256
Uh, which it could be a great addition to
Founders' Day, but it's not free.

1846
02:03:40,256 --> 02:03:44,006
And, and can it be distinguished from
Founders' Day?

1847
02:03:44,006 --> 02:03:49,560
So if the— if you take our property out
and let's say that they found private

1848
02:03:49,560 --> 02:03:52,877
property, i.e., the north side of Sunset
Road,

1849
02:03:52,877 --> 02:03:57,854
it's got its own little entrance there,
it's private, uh, they don't—

1850
02:03:57,854 --> 02:04:00,739
we don't have to worry about leasing it.

1851
02:04:00,739 --> 02:04:06,725
Are you also saying that you would want us
to discourage them from Having the event

1852
02:04:06,725 --> 02:04:10,908
on private property at the same time as
our Founders' Day,

1853
02:04:10,908 --> 02:04:12,927
which would be that evening.

1854
02:04:12,927 --> 02:04:17,327
Most of our events would be over, I'm
assuming, by that time.

1855
02:04:17,327 --> 02:04:19,346
So, um, and they're looking—

1856
02:04:19,346 --> 02:04:23,890
they're looking at 300 to 500 people is
what they're expecting.

1857
02:04:23,890 --> 02:04:28,641
And so, so to say discourage, no. I mean,
it's private property, right?

1858
02:04:28,641 --> 02:04:32,121
So they, they're— that kind of changes the
equation.

1859
02:04:32,121 --> 02:04:35,467
But even if you took the north and the
south side,

1860
02:04:35,467 --> 02:04:39,415
where do you put roughly 100 to 125 cars,
park them safely,

1861
02:04:39,415 --> 02:04:41,958
and to Commissioner Carpenter's point,

1862
02:04:41,958 --> 02:04:47,512
let them out in traffic that is going to
get you out in a somewhat timely manner on

1863
02:04:47,512 --> 02:04:52,464
Sunset Road? And I'm assuming based on a
private company that they will be

1864
02:04:52,464 --> 02:04:56,813
responsible for that and have to work with
the police department.

1865
02:04:56,813 --> 02:04:59,021
Um, I think it's fine, but again,

1866
02:04:59,021 --> 02:05:02,568
you're picking a corner that they would
need to know.

1867
02:05:02,568 --> 02:05:06,650
If they do this in November and it rains,
it's also unusable.

1868
02:05:06,890 --> 02:05:10,905
So I mean, I think there's a lot of
factors because we're 2 hours into our

1869
02:05:10,905 --> 02:05:11,339
factors because we're 2 hours into our
workshop

1870
02:05:11,339 --> 02:05:13,835
and I want to make sure that we're
consistent.

1871
02:05:13,835 --> 02:05:18,176
So if we're— if we are— are you talking
about a town event that's related to us?

1872
02:05:18,176 --> 02:05:21,866
Because if we already have a special
events permit process in place,

1873
02:05:21,866 --> 02:05:24,959
and so if any local business wants to do a
special event,

1874
02:05:24,959 --> 02:05:29,082
there's already established policy
framework here that they would have to go

1875
02:05:29,082 --> 02:05:31,633
through. There's an application on our
website.

1876
02:05:31,633 --> 02:05:35,539
So those discussions are really
independent of anything that we would be

1877
02:05:35,539 --> 02:05:36,082
independent of anything that we would be
discussing

1878
02:05:36,082 --> 02:05:40,586
today. If there's discussion of this being
tied to our Founders Day celebration for

1879
02:05:40,586 --> 02:05:44,818
the town's 30th birthday, that's really
how we need to frame this, in my view.

1880
02:05:44,818 --> 02:05:46,500
Is that what you're suggesting?

1881
02:05:46,500 --> 02:05:47,940
That's what I'm— that's what I'm asking.

1882
02:05:49,060 --> 02:05:54,545
So My— I gave feedback to Katie and
Montique, who I appreciate the, like,

1883
02:05:54,545 --> 02:05:57,401
the brainstorming around Founders Day.

1884
02:05:57,401 --> 02:06:03,638
I know I've been trying to really push how
we're going to celebrate and commemorate

1885
02:06:03,638 --> 02:06:07,470
this 30th birthday for the town. So love
the ideas.

1886
02:06:07,470 --> 02:06:10,100
2 months out to propose a festival,

1887
02:06:10,100 --> 02:06:14,308
I don't think is enough time to do it
justice this year.

1888
02:06:14,308 --> 02:06:17,238
So again, love, love the brainstorming.

1889
02:06:17,238 --> 02:06:23,400
We need to have an environment where staff
feels like they can bring forward ideas

1890
02:06:23,400 --> 02:06:24,903
and have discussion.

1891
02:06:24,903 --> 02:06:29,186
Um, but given the proximity to the Broken
Wheel Festival,

1892
02:06:29,186 --> 02:06:35,047
given that we don't have the details
worked out for an event that would try to

1893
02:06:35,047 --> 02:06:35,347
worked out for an event that would try to
sell

1894
02:06:35,347 --> 02:06:38,203
alcohol that is also tied to the town,

1895
02:06:38,203 --> 02:06:43,989
the contracts that would have to be
approved Presumably in the August meeting

1896
02:06:43,989 --> 02:06:44,139
approved Presumably in the August meeting
in

1897
02:06:44,139 --> 02:06:49,624
order for us to do a— like, that
contract's not here on our agenda for us

1898
02:06:49,624 --> 02:06:50,376
contract's not here on our agenda for us
to review.

1899
02:06:50,376 --> 02:06:55,786
I don't think that we're at a juncture
where this makes sense this year.

1900
02:06:55,786 --> 02:06:58,641
But if that's something in the future,

1901
02:06:58,641 --> 02:07:02,924
I do want to be very respectful of
established festivals,

1902
02:07:02,924 --> 02:07:08,560
especially ones that released their dates
months and months and months ago.

1903
02:07:09,040 --> 02:07:09,120
And—

1904
02:07:09,120 --> 02:07:11,312
Yeah. in this particular instance,

1905
02:07:11,312 --> 02:07:16,275
raise money for a not-for-profit that
provides scholarships to local students

1906
02:07:16,275 --> 02:07:16,533
provides scholarships to local students
that

1907
02:07:16,533 --> 02:07:18,273
help, uh, families in need.

1908
02:07:18,273 --> 02:07:22,205
So, um, I, I know we could have a long
discussion about this.

1909
02:07:22,205 --> 02:07:26,910
My opinion is no because of timing and all
the things that I've laid out.

1910
02:07:26,910 --> 02:07:29,946
Well, Mayor, I'll just make this quick.
Ditto and ditto.

1911
02:07:29,946 --> 02:07:31,734
And under the heading of respect,

1912
02:07:31,734 --> 02:07:35,583
I think we ought to respect the keen
efforts of our team that's putting

1913
02:07:35,583 --> 02:07:36,234
efforts of our team that's putting
together the

1914
02:07:36,234 --> 02:07:37,805
Founders Day plans right now.

1915
02:07:37,805 --> 02:07:42,034
And when the time comes for us to be able
to use Chris Mann Brown Park without

1916
02:07:42,034 --> 02:07:46,316
worrying about delaying the construction,
and that is an extremely valid point,

1917
02:07:46,316 --> 02:07:50,598
one we ought to stay focused on before we
move forward too far down the line on

1918
02:07:50,598 --> 02:07:54,881
having a concert. I'd also like to be able
to show respect to the Brown family,

1919
02:07:54,881 --> 02:07:57,808
to Ms. Moore, to the Woodley family across
the street,

1920
02:07:57,808 --> 02:08:02,090
because they're going to be absorbing a
lot of traffic issues perhaps on events

1921
02:08:02,090 --> 02:08:02,307
lot of traffic issues perhaps on events
like

1922
02:08:02,307 --> 02:08:04,746
this. But that's part of going with the
park.

1923
02:08:04,746 --> 02:08:07,782
But however, They're going to be dealing
with the noise,

1924
02:08:07,782 --> 02:08:12,118
and I just want to get their feedback and
respect them and how we can ameliorate

1925
02:08:12,118 --> 02:08:15,479
that if at all possible, or find a
timeline for future events.

1926
02:08:15,479 --> 02:08:18,243
But then it comes back to the timeline on
this one.

1927
02:08:18,243 --> 02:08:22,526
We're sitting here at the end of July, and
as far as a town event is concerned,

1928
02:08:22,526 --> 02:08:25,507
I think we're way too close to try to make
this happen.

1929
02:08:25,507 --> 02:08:29,410
Whatever they can plan to do on private
property, that's their business.

1930
02:08:29,410 --> 02:08:34,719
So the other items that I think we do need
to talk through separate from the All

1931
02:08:34,719 --> 02:08:40,294
Nashville Roadshow that are technically in
this discussion item in the proposal that

1932
02:08:40,294 --> 02:08:42,949
Montique and Katie did a lot of work on.

1933
02:08:42,949 --> 02:08:47,860
One is the digital passport program that
the Economic Development Advisory

1934
02:08:47,860 --> 02:08:48,457
the Economic Development Advisory
Committee

1935
02:08:48,457 --> 02:08:49,917
is already working on,

1936
02:08:49,917 --> 02:08:55,425
which I think is an incredible addition to
supporting local business and also using

1937
02:08:55,425 --> 02:08:58,279
it as a way to celebrate the 30th
birthday.

1938
02:08:58,279 --> 02:09:02,924
The other item that's in this agenda item
is the flag design campaign,

1939
02:09:02,924 --> 02:09:05,712
which we talked about in our last meeting.

1940
02:09:05,712 --> 02:09:10,424
And I, I took away from that that everyone
was very supportive of that.

1941
02:09:10,424 --> 02:09:15,799
The only thing I would add as feedback
would be when it opens and when it closes.

1942
02:09:15,799 --> 02:09:17,989
30th birthday lasts a whole year.

1943
02:09:17,989 --> 02:09:22,967
I mean, we in our household, we celebrate
birthdays for like a whole month,

1944
02:09:22,967 --> 02:09:24,759
but when it's for the town,

1945
02:09:24,759 --> 02:09:29,139
I think that the full year is is
reasonable and expected as a way.

1946
02:09:29,139 --> 02:09:34,448
So I just hope that as we finalize some of
these things that we're not trying to

1947
02:09:34,448 --> 02:09:39,293
just fit it into one month and know that
we have time to adequately plan.

1948
02:09:39,293 --> 02:09:42,014
So that, that would be my feedback there.

1949
02:09:42,014 --> 02:09:46,460
Anybody— does anybody have any feedback
about the digital passport?

1950
02:09:46,460 --> 02:09:49,180
It's great.

1951
02:09:49,180 --> 02:09:50,860
You said it's great?

1952
02:09:50,860 --> 02:09:56,654
Yeah, I agree. I think anything that we
can do to facilitate movement to

1953
02:09:56,654 --> 02:09:57,458
can do to facilitate movement to
businesses

1954
02:09:57,458 --> 02:10:03,735
around town is a great way to drive
development for our retail and commercial.

1955
02:10:03,735 --> 02:10:05,827
So I think it's fantastic.

1956
02:10:05,827 --> 02:10:10,736
I get what you're saying about the dates
and the celebration.

1957
02:10:10,736 --> 02:10:13,633
I don't have a one way or the other,

1958
02:10:13,633 --> 02:10:19,990
but I do agree it would be somewhat neat
to be able to unveil Nolensville's new

1959
02:10:19,990 --> 02:10:23,128
flag. So, but yes, I love the Passport,

1960
02:10:23,128 --> 02:10:29,646
and I agree with the other half down there
that this isn't an event that we don't

1961
02:10:29,646 --> 02:10:35,520
want to see. I just think the timing is
off for the actual concert event.

1962
02:10:36,920 --> 02:10:40,756
The other item that was in there is
sponsorships for it,

1963
02:10:40,756 --> 02:10:43,222
and I also gave my feedback on that.

1964
02:10:43,222 --> 02:10:48,359
I'm, I'm of the opinion that we already
solicit sponsorships for Buttercup,

1965
02:10:48,359 --> 02:10:51,852
the Veterans Day Parade, um, possibly
other things,

1966
02:10:51,852 --> 02:10:55,825
but that our local businesses already get
asked for a lot.

1967
02:10:55,825 --> 02:11:01,304
And so I, I, I love the brainstorming, but
I'm not sure for this particular, um,

1968
02:11:01,304 --> 02:11:06,099
celebration that, that that's something
that I would be supportive of.

1969
02:11:06,099 --> 02:11:08,770
Does anyone else have feedback on that?

1970
02:11:08,770 --> 02:11:14,188
As far as sponsorships go, I think we are
underutilizing sponsorships.

1971
02:11:14,188 --> 02:11:19,992
And I don't necessarily mean that we
should be putting more pressure on our

1972
02:11:19,992 --> 02:11:25,797
businesses, but we also— I mean, we have—
we don't have to just stay local.

1973
02:11:25,797 --> 02:11:31,524
There are all kinds of corporate
businesses that are in or around our town

1974
02:11:31,524 --> 02:11:31,833
businesses that are in or around our town
that

1975
02:11:31,833 --> 02:11:37,406
could also sponsor. And I think that
there's a lot of ways that we could

1976
02:11:37,406 --> 02:11:38,025
there's a lot of ways that we could
increase

1977
02:11:38,025 --> 02:11:39,650
sponsorship activity.

1978
02:11:39,650 --> 02:11:40,130
Okay.

1979
02:11:40,550 --> 02:11:44,194
So that's, that's one area where we've had
discussion.

1980
02:11:44,194 --> 02:11:47,230
Town events, something I feel strongly
about.

1981
02:11:48,230 --> 02:11:54,257
So do you want to do sponsorships for the
Founders' Day celebration projects that

1982
02:11:54,257 --> 02:11:55,150
will happen?

1983
02:11:56,630 --> 02:11:58,150
I don't have an issue with them.

1984
02:11:58,150 --> 02:12:02,154
Are you saying that you do want to move
forward with the Founders' Day celebration

1985
02:12:02,154 --> 02:12:05,670
with having the sponsorships as proposed
in this document on the agenda?

1986
02:12:06,240 --> 02:12:07,906
Yes, I will make a note.

1987
02:12:07,906 --> 02:12:13,737
We've been— Montique and Victor and I have
been contacted by a local business asking

1988
02:12:13,737 --> 02:12:19,360
how they can sponsor the town in different
variations. So that's, um, why we put—

1989
02:12:19,680 --> 02:12:24,431
included that on the proposal to you all.
Yeah, I don't, I don't have an issue.

1990
02:12:24,431 --> 02:12:28,821
I think that, um, any business that we
have is able to certainly not be a

1991
02:12:28,821 --> 02:12:29,302
have is able to certainly not be a
sponsor,

1992
02:12:29,302 --> 02:12:34,294
but I do agree with Commissioner Carpenter
that I, I do think even at Bridge Stone,

1993
02:12:34,294 --> 02:12:38,443
they give out quite a few sponsorships for
even activities like this.

1994
02:12:38,443 --> 02:12:41,270
And so I don't take issue with the
sponsorship.

1995
02:12:41,270 --> 02:12:47,710
Any other feedback?

1996
02:12:50,710 --> 02:12:50,790
Okay.

1997
02:12:51,750 --> 02:12:57,156
All right. Is that it? Everything for this
discussion item? All right.

1998
02:12:57,156 --> 02:13:02,021
Then that takes us into our proposed
agenda for August 6, 2026.

1999
02:13:02,021 --> 02:13:04,260
Is there something we missed?

2000
02:13:04,260 --> 02:13:04,820
Nope, sorry.

2001
02:13:04,820 --> 02:13:09,865
Okay, um, we have the budget report from
the finance director,

2002
02:13:09,865 --> 02:13:16,457
which is the summary information for the
last 12 months, which I thought was, um,

2003
02:13:16,457 --> 02:13:18,572
fascinating to go through.

2004
02:13:18,572 --> 02:13:23,699
Um, does anyone have any questions or
comments through the, um,

2005
02:13:23,699 --> 02:13:28,907
initial information that was presented as
the end of 6 30, 2026.

2006
02:13:28,907 --> 02:13:35,010
All right, any questions about reports
from departments or town committees?

2007
02:13:35,010 --> 02:13:39,567
Um, for the TAPS committee, one thing I
did want to, um,

2008
02:13:39,567 --> 02:13:45,101
bring up was something that they talked
about in their last meeting,

2009
02:13:45,101 --> 02:13:49,983
which was a way of marking, um, Trail
markers for 911 calls,

2010
02:13:49,983 --> 02:13:53,645
and that's something that they are
exploring.

2011
02:13:53,645 --> 02:14:00,399
Coincidentally, it's also something that
Brentwood has done on their trail markers.

2012
02:14:00,399 --> 02:14:03,980
I don't know if you saw that today, but
our,

2013
02:14:03,980 --> 02:14:07,397
our TAPS committee is also exploring that,

2014
02:14:07,397 --> 02:14:11,222
and hopefully we'll have more information
soon.

2015
02:14:11,222 --> 02:14:14,314
All right, so for unfinished business,

2016
02:14:14,314 --> 02:14:18,302
we have already gone through each of those
items.

2017
02:14:18,302 --> 02:14:21,963
Under New Business, Item 1, Resolution
26086,

2018
02:14:21,963 --> 02:14:28,473
a resolution granting a certificate of
compliance to Tipsy Cow Wine and Spirits.

2019
02:14:28,473 --> 02:14:33,600
Um, staff, do you have any comments about
this particular item?

2020
02:14:34,520 --> 02:14:39,787
There was a question that was raised about
the response from town staff regarding

2021
02:14:39,787 --> 02:14:43,819
the zoning verification that we wanted to
clarify for you all.

2022
02:14:43,819 --> 02:14:46,355
The subject property, as you well know,

2023
02:14:46,355 --> 02:14:50,517
initially had been zoned in a Village
Commercial classification.

2024
02:14:50,517 --> 02:14:55,849
Village Commercial classification under
the old Zoning Ordinance allows for liquor

2025
02:14:55,849 --> 02:14:59,946
stores. That's one of the many permitted
uses that are allowed.

2026
02:14:59,946 --> 02:15:04,628
As you know, the property also was
developed under a Planned Development

2027
02:15:04,628 --> 02:15:05,148
developed under a Planned Development
project,

2028
02:15:05,148 --> 02:15:10,415
receiving Planned Development approval and
a zoning classification that went with

2029
02:15:10,415 --> 02:15:10,610
it.

2030
02:15:10,610 --> 02:15:10,770
Yes.

2031
02:15:10,730 --> 02:15:10,890
Yes.

2032
02:15:10,890 --> 02:15:15,642
One of the allowable permitted uses that
was stipulated in the approved plan

2033
02:15:15,642 --> 02:15:17,706
documentation was a liquor store.

2034
02:15:17,706 --> 02:15:21,833
So it's kind of tying the old zoning with
the planned development.

2035
02:15:21,833 --> 02:15:23,897
Under the new zoning regulations,

2036
02:15:23,897 --> 02:15:28,899
also liquor stores or alcoholic beverage
retail sales stores are also permitted,

2037
02:15:28,899 --> 02:15:30,900
and that is currently what this—

2038
02:15:30,900 --> 02:15:35,090
the current zoning classification under
the official zoning map is.

2039
02:15:37,730 --> 02:15:37,890
Yes.

2040
02:15:37,890 --> 02:15:41,028
And then, in terms of conformance under
the CD-4C,

2041
02:15:41,028 --> 02:15:45,295
we would like to offer as part of an
updated agenda package for your

2042
02:15:45,295 --> 02:15:46,111
updated agenda package for your
consideration

2043
02:15:46,111 --> 02:15:51,132
next week a modified letter that bridges
basically the old zoning ordinance with

2044
02:15:51,132 --> 02:15:51,320
basically the old zoning ordinance with
the

2045
02:15:51,320 --> 02:15:56,215
planned development and the new zoning
requirements so that it shows basically

2046
02:15:56,215 --> 02:15:56,466
requirements so that it shows basically
that

2047
02:15:56,466 --> 02:16:00,922
it has conformed with all of those
different approvals and prior zoning

2048
02:16:00,922 --> 02:16:05,378
classifications. Happy to address any
questions you might have on that.

2049
02:16:05,378 --> 02:16:07,449
Police background check was okay,

2050
02:16:07,449 --> 02:16:12,469
and you should be in a position to give
favorable consideration if everything is

2051
02:16:12,469 --> 02:16:12,595
favorable consideration if everything is
in

2052
02:16:12,595 --> 02:16:15,670
acceptable order from your perspective
next week.

2053
02:16:15,670 --> 02:16:20,390
Any questions about Resolution 26086?

2054
02:16:20,390 --> 02:16:23,718
Is that going to be the name they do
business under,

2055
02:16:23,718 --> 02:16:25,830
or is that just their LLC's name?

2056
02:16:25,830 --> 02:16:27,270
I assume so.

2057
02:16:27,270 --> 02:16:28,710
Tipsy Cow.

2058
02:16:28,710 --> 02:16:33,025
Yeah, hopefully the applicant will be here
for

2059
02:16:33,025 --> 02:16:37,340
the The Chief of Police is smiling over
there.

2060
02:16:37,420 --> 02:16:41,485
I think he appreciated— I mean, I just
think it's a great name.

2061
02:16:41,485 --> 02:16:43,615
I can't wait to tell my preacher.

2062
02:16:43,615 --> 02:16:48,842
Maybe I might tell him I'm going to go by
the Tipsy Cow and pick him up something

2063
02:16:48,842 --> 02:16:51,100
for a Christmas gift. I don't know.

2064
02:16:51,100 --> 02:16:52,540
You tell him you're responsible for that.

2065
02:16:52,540 --> 02:16:55,163
Chocolate milk. I'm getting some chocolate
milk. I'm sorry, Mayor.

2066
02:16:55,163 --> 02:16:57,866
I know we're trying to get through this
agenda, and I couldn't have—

2067
02:16:57,866 --> 02:16:58,780
I had to have a moment.

2068
02:16:59,180 --> 02:17:02,300
No, I'm actually right there with you on
that one. That was one of my questions.

2069
02:17:02,300 --> 02:17:07,693
We did have a call from the owner of the
shopping center today that suggested there

2070
02:17:07,693 --> 02:17:09,187
might be a name change.

2071
02:17:09,187 --> 02:17:13,865
They weren't confirmed that they were
going to, but if, if one comes up,

2072
02:17:13,865 --> 02:17:15,100
don't be surprised.

2073
02:17:15,100 --> 02:17:17,235
Okay, thank you guys very much.

2074
02:17:17,235 --> 02:17:20,335
Um, item 2, first reading of Ordinance
26-15,

2075
02:17:20,335 --> 02:17:25,984
an ordinance of the Town of Nolensville
amending plan review permitting inspection

2076
02:17:25,984 --> 02:17:31,356
fees contained in Appendix B of the Town
of Nolensville Municipal Very simply,

2077
02:17:31,356 --> 02:17:36,247
we've identified a few additional
revisions that need to be made to the

2078
02:17:36,247 --> 02:17:36,936
revisions that need to be made to the
Master Fee

2079
02:17:36,936 --> 02:17:41,000
Schedule that's a part of Appendix B of
the Municipal Code.

2080
02:17:41,480 --> 02:17:44,698
These specifically are coming from the
Planning Department.

2081
02:17:44,698 --> 02:17:48,843
There are some refinements that are
ongoing with the subdivision regulations

2082
02:17:48,843 --> 02:17:49,225
ongoing with the subdivision regulations
as well

2083
02:17:49,225 --> 02:17:51,625
as the future draft of the Zoning
Ordinance.

2084
02:17:51,625 --> 02:17:56,098
There are a couple of items that basically
deal with meeting requests and the fees

2085
02:17:56,098 --> 02:18:00,134
associated with those that are not being
utilized currently by applicants.

2086
02:18:00,134 --> 02:18:04,498
And so we're going to be striking those
from it and then also providing a little

2087
02:18:04,498 --> 02:18:04,661
from it and then also providing a little
bit

2088
02:18:04,661 --> 02:18:08,807
more clarification on where specific fee
references are in either the zoning

2089
02:18:08,807 --> 02:18:11,043
ordinance or the subdivision regulations.

2090
02:18:11,043 --> 02:18:13,661
So it's a bit of a housekeeping measure as
well.

2091
02:18:13,661 --> 02:18:16,170
Happy to address any other questions you
have.

2092
02:18:17,570 --> 02:18:21,054
You guys have done a ton of work over the
last, I think,

2093
02:18:21,054 --> 02:18:24,476
year and a half to 2 years on these items,
um, and I'm—

2094
02:18:24,476 --> 02:18:26,840
I know that's not a small undertaking.

2095
02:18:26,840 --> 02:18:28,778
Yeah, good thing is, you know,

2096
02:18:28,778 --> 02:18:33,364
we're generating some good revenue from
this to offsetting a lot of our

2097
02:18:33,364 --> 02:18:34,075
this to offsetting a lot of our
development

2098
02:18:34,075 --> 02:18:38,080
service-related expenses. So we appreciate
your support on it.

2099
02:18:38,760 --> 02:18:43,353
All right, that, uh, items 3, 4, and 5 we
have already discussed.

2100
02:18:43,353 --> 02:18:45,967
Resolution item 6, Resolution 26-078,

2101
02:18:45,967 --> 02:18:56,260
a resolution to amend the terms of the
Nolensville Buttercup Festival Committee.

2102
02:18:59,260 --> 02:19:02,540
So I am looking for guidance regarding
this resolution.

2103
02:19:02,540 --> 02:19:07,310
Um, when I looked at other bylaws and
resolutions that we completed or that were

2104
02:19:07,310 --> 02:19:11,603
approved for other committees, they had
staggered terms, um, as well as—

2105
02:19:11,603 --> 02:19:16,314
and you all wanted to change the start
date and the end date So I was wondering

2106
02:19:16,314 --> 02:19:16,433
date and the end date So I was wondering
if

2107
02:19:16,433 --> 02:19:20,309
you all wanted to do the staggered terms
with this board as well,

2108
02:19:20,309 --> 02:19:21,979
with this committee as well.

2109
02:19:21,979 --> 02:19:26,093
I think right now they have 2-year terms
and they can't serve 3 years

2110
02:19:26,093 --> 02:19:26,928
and they can't serve 3 years
consecutively.

2111
02:19:26,928 --> 02:19:28,478
That's part of the bylaws.

2112
02:19:28,478 --> 02:19:33,428
And then we— you all said that you did not
want them to do the January to December,

2113
02:19:33,428 --> 02:19:38,739
so I'm looking for what dates you would
want them to start and then commence.

2114
02:19:41,739 --> 02:19:48,468
So I think the first time this resolution
was voted on was in 2025,

2115
02:19:48,468 --> 02:19:54,896
um, and I, I don't remember if that
included the term lengths in

2116
02:19:54,896 --> 02:19:58,009
it. I, I do read in the bylaws,

2117
02:19:58,009 --> 02:20:01,926
which I don't think the board approves,

2118
02:20:01,926 --> 02:20:08,354
so I don't think we've ever stipulated
outside of the original 1

2119
02:20:08,354 --> 02:20:14,480
year. We did reappoint in Like May of '25.
No, August of '25.

2120
02:20:14,480 --> 02:20:16,440
August.

2121
02:20:16,720 --> 02:20:23,057
The initial reasoning for 1-year terms was
to not put too much pressure on a local

2122
02:20:23,057 --> 02:20:29,471
business. But I think consistency in what
works for the committee now that we're in

2123
02:20:29,471 --> 02:20:34,031
our second year, I don't necessarily have
opinions on that.

2124
02:20:34,031 --> 02:20:38,591
But I do think an August or a September
term start matters.

2125
02:20:38,591 --> 02:20:42,687
I also don't have an opinion on staggering
it or not,

2126
02:20:42,687 --> 02:20:46,087
since this is kind of a different
committee.

2127
02:20:46,087 --> 02:20:51,265
Like, I mean, it's a specific event versus
the advisory committees.

2128
02:20:51,265 --> 02:20:57,370
So I think it would just be what the— your
all's opinion and will of the board.

2129
02:20:57,370 --> 02:21:00,300
Okay.

2130
02:21:03,300 --> 02:21:07,940
Yeah, I, I will defer to Vice Mayor. No,
no, go ahead.

2131
02:21:07,940 --> 02:21:08,020
Okay.

2132
02:21:08,660 --> 02:21:11,458
Um, yeah, I, I think I agree.

2133
02:21:11,458 --> 02:21:17,342
Uh, in a sense, it's almost like one of
those committees that

2134
02:21:17,342 --> 02:21:21,973
dissolves and then, you know, re— rejoins
or re—

2135
02:21:21,973 --> 02:21:26,410
comes back together. Um, My point is, I
agree.

2136
02:21:26,410 --> 02:21:29,815
So I guess the question would be,

2137
02:21:29,815 --> 02:21:37,037
has the committee said in terms of
start/end what they would prefer or

2138
02:21:37,037 --> 02:21:41,370
what they feel is most appropriate, or no?

2139
02:21:41,370 --> 02:21:42,170
No.

2140
02:21:42,170 --> 02:21:45,923
Yeah, that was one of my things that I had
meant to do.

2141
02:21:45,923 --> 02:21:48,311
I'll fall on the sword on this one.

2142
02:21:48,311 --> 02:21:51,654
Was reach out to everyone and say, hey,
you know,

2143
02:21:51,654 --> 02:21:56,157
are you willing to serve another year? And
if so, you know, go on.

2144
02:21:56,157 --> 02:22:01,206
I don't know, again, do we need to have
official and formal terms to this?

2145
02:22:01,206 --> 02:22:03,730
I don't know that that's appropriate.

2146
02:22:03,730 --> 02:22:08,643
I do like the mayor's suggestion of kind
of a September to August cycle.

2147
02:22:08,643 --> 02:22:13,282
To August, yeah. Because again, by
June-ish, it's kind of, you know,

2148
02:22:13,282 --> 02:22:17,581
things are wrapping up or wrapping of the
finances and whatnot.

2149
02:22:17,581 --> 02:22:23,244
So, and again, it's kind of starting all
over, but you do want the people that are—

2150
02:22:23,244 --> 02:22:27,474
that have done it before to bring some of
the knowledge forth.

2151
02:22:27,474 --> 02:22:33,001
So yeah, I think it's appropriate to maybe
reach out to the committee members and

2152
02:22:33,001 --> 02:22:37,640
say, hey, you know, looking for the next
year starting in September,

2153
02:22:37,640 --> 02:22:39,960
would you like to be a part of it?

2154
02:22:39,960 --> 02:22:41,652
So September 1st to August 31st,

2155
02:22:41,652 --> 02:22:46,094
which makes the most amount of sense even
considering Considering the donations that

2156
02:22:46,094 --> 02:22:48,263
are given do not take place until August,

2157
02:22:48,263 --> 02:22:52,652
which also gives them the opportunity to
have additional meetings to move into what

2158
02:22:52,652 --> 02:22:54,820
could potentially be the new— yeah, okay.

2159
02:22:54,820 --> 02:22:58,589
So between now and the voting meeting,

2160
02:22:58,589 --> 02:23:04,541
there'll be some conversations so that can
get reported back

2161
02:23:04,541 --> 02:23:10,095
and recommendations made to the board
about who wants to

2162
02:23:10,095 --> 02:23:13,170
continue to serve. Did, did it—

2163
02:23:13,170 --> 02:23:15,935
Do y'all want us to make those calls?

2164
02:23:15,935 --> 02:23:21,988
Because obviously, um, and, and one of you
all can, but we all, 5 or 6 and staff,

2165
02:23:21,988 --> 02:23:26,770
all don't need to be calling everybody so
you get 7 phone calls.

2166
02:23:26,770 --> 02:23:32,370
Uh, I mean, if I could ask Montique or
Katie, either one, to reach out.

2167
02:23:32,370 --> 02:23:33,010
Yeah.

2168
02:23:33,010 --> 02:23:35,570
Commissioner Gill, did you have any
feedback on this?

2169
02:23:36,550 --> 02:23:36,790
Ditto.

2170
02:23:36,790 --> 02:23:41,601
I do have one other topic. So we still
need to present checks to them.

2171
02:23:41,601 --> 02:23:47,305
Did you want to wait till not the August
meeting but September so they can get into

2172
02:23:47,305 --> 02:23:51,910
school? And what do you all think? I think
last year we did August.

2173
02:23:51,910 --> 02:23:53,506
So we do start a week later,

2174
02:23:53,506 --> 02:23:56,754
so we actually miss it with the new start
date this year.

2175
02:23:56,754 --> 02:24:00,630
So if you want to do September or even
right before workshop, maybe.

2176
02:24:01,110 --> 02:24:01,190
Okay.

2177
02:24:01,830 --> 02:24:05,430
They may prefer the earlier time, but I'm
fine with either one.

2178
02:24:05,830 --> 02:24:05,910
Okay.

2179
02:24:06,070 --> 02:24:08,310
But yes, we do miss that first being back
in school.

2180
02:24:08,310 --> 02:24:14,230
So we'll fill in a September 1st to August
31st first term. Okay.

2181
02:24:15,990 --> 02:24:16,150
All right.

2182
02:24:16,310 --> 02:24:18,108
Anything else on this item?

2183
02:24:18,108 --> 02:24:20,438
The next item is Resolution 26-079,

2184
02:24:20,438 --> 02:24:25,298
a resolution approving a purchase of
Nearmap USA Incorporated imagery and

2185
02:24:25,298 --> 02:24:26,680
LiDAR data.

2186
02:24:29,680 --> 02:24:32,320
Jules is going to represent this issue and
the next issue.

2187
02:24:32,320 --> 02:24:35,760
And the one after that.

2188
02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:36,320
And the one after.

2189
02:24:36,640 --> 02:24:40,200
7, 8, and 9.

2190
02:24:41,840 --> 02:24:42,960
All right.

2191
02:24:43,200 --> 02:24:46,621
So as the mayor said, Resolution 26079,

2192
02:24:46,621 --> 02:24:52,147
a resolution approving the purchase of
Nearmap USA Incorporated

2193
02:24:52,147 --> 02:24:56,533
imagery and LiDAR data. I included a staff
report.

2194
02:24:56,533 --> 02:25:00,130
Do you have any questions? Any questions?

2195
02:25:00,130 --> 02:25:01,610
Thank you.

2196
02:25:03,650 --> 02:25:08,300
Did you— making sure you had time to read
over the staff report.

2197
02:25:08,300 --> 02:25:11,496
We currently have a subscription to
Nearmap.

2198
02:25:11,496 --> 02:25:14,620
Imagery for the town is flown twice a
year.

2199
02:25:14,620 --> 02:25:20,069
It's great, great imagery that we utilize
pretty much every day in multiple

2200
02:25:20,069 --> 02:25:25,590
departments. The additional data that we
want to get will help classify some

2201
02:25:25,590 --> 02:25:30,967
pervious and impervious surfaces that can
help go to our stormwater model.

2202
02:25:30,967 --> 02:25:35,253
We also want to get more contours that are
more up to date.

2203
02:25:35,253 --> 02:25:38,668
Our latest contours that we have are from
2024.

2204
02:25:38,668 --> 02:25:43,390
There's been quite a bit of construction
since then, earth moved,

2205
02:25:43,390 --> 02:25:45,860
so we want to get more up to date.

2206
02:25:45,860 --> 02:25:47,280
Okay.

2207
02:25:50,280 --> 02:25:52,961
The information provided in the agenda
item is great.

2208
02:25:52,961 --> 02:25:57,058
We don't usually get presentations from
you, so I want to ask a lot of questions,

2209
02:25:57,058 --> 02:26:00,397
but I think everything that you guys have
provided has been great,

2210
02:26:00,397 --> 02:26:01,965
and I don't have any questions.

2211
02:26:01,965 --> 02:26:06,012
But I'm excited to see what you do with
the information and know that this was a

2212
02:26:06,012 --> 02:26:06,720
budgeted item.

2213
02:26:07,480 --> 02:26:08,583
I'm with the mayor, Joel.

2214
02:26:08,583 --> 02:26:12,155
You don't get to do this very often, so
can we make this a true formal testimony?

2215
02:26:12,155 --> 02:26:15,110
Will you please raise your right hand? Let
me place you under oath.

2216
02:26:15,110 --> 02:26:16,550
He's Facebook famous now.

2217
02:26:16,550 --> 02:26:17,030
I'd be careful.

2218
02:26:17,030 --> 02:26:19,706
Oh, then I revoke that. No, thank you for
doing this.

2219
02:26:19,706 --> 02:26:23,441
And I remember the presentation you gave
us during the budget discussions.

2220
02:26:23,441 --> 02:26:26,975
I think those happened— was that the end
of February we were together?

2221
02:26:26,975 --> 02:26:29,802
Um, you work very hard for the town. You
do a great job.

2222
02:26:29,802 --> 02:26:33,436
And I know you've done a lot of this
coding yourself, I believe, on some

2223
02:26:33,436 --> 02:26:33,790
coding yourself, I believe, on some
things.

2224
02:26:33,790 --> 02:26:35,910
Thank you for keeping us up to date on it.

2225
02:26:35,990 --> 02:26:36,310
Thank you.

2226
02:26:36,310 --> 02:26:40,319
Well, I'm very lucky to have the right
tools in place to be able to do this

2227
02:26:40,319 --> 02:26:40,640
tools in place to be able to do this
stuff.

2228
02:26:40,800 --> 02:26:45,288
So any objection with consent agenda for

2229
02:26:45,288 --> 02:26:49,776
item 7? All right, that takes us to item

2230
02:26:49,776 --> 02:26:50,000
8.

2231
02:26:50,000 --> 02:26:55,943
All right, uh, the resolution I'm probably
the most excited about tonight, uh,

2232
02:26:55,943 --> 02:27:01,886
resolution approving the purchase of
Violetics America Incorporated Enterprise

2233
02:27:01,886 --> 02:27:02,039
Violetics America Incorporated Enterprise
AI

2234
02:27:02,039 --> 02:27:04,706
Road and Asset Management Software.

2235
02:27:04,706 --> 02:27:09,201
So as you remember from The the strategic
planning session,

2236
02:27:09,201 --> 02:27:13,544
I believe it was or back in February
whenever we all met.

2237
02:27:13,544 --> 02:27:19,487
We had talked about that we wanted to
budget for some software or to add on to

2238
02:27:19,487 --> 02:27:19,716
budget for some software or to add on to
our

2239
02:27:19,716 --> 02:27:24,364
our current software that would help with
our sign inventory.

2240
02:27:24,364 --> 02:27:28,935
Have a consultant go out re video all the
roads in town and.

2241
02:27:28,935 --> 02:27:33,507
Basically give us a packaged up, hey,
here's all your signs,

2242
02:27:33,507 --> 02:27:35,793
here's the conditions of them.

2243
02:27:35,793 --> 02:27:40,365
And it was a great tool whenever we first
signed up in 2024.

2244
02:27:40,365 --> 02:27:44,936
They did our pavement conditions
assessment, same principle.

2245
02:27:44,936 --> 02:27:46,917
It was an add-on for that.

2246
02:27:46,917 --> 02:27:52,556
Some things have changed as far as
technology in the past 2 years to where

2247
02:27:52,556 --> 02:27:53,013
technology in the past 2 years to where
now as

2248
02:27:53,013 --> 02:27:58,880
staff we don't have to have a consultant
go do it. We can go do it ourselves.

2249
02:27:58,880 --> 02:27:59,200
Yeah.

2250
02:27:59,820 --> 02:28:06,101
Um, and utilize our smartphone to have
video capture capabilities from a dash cam

2251
02:28:06,101 --> 02:28:09,668
and, uh, use AI to process that video and,
uh,

2252
02:28:09,668 --> 02:28:13,700
give us the data we need and that we're
looking for.

2253
02:28:13,700 --> 02:28:16,181
Uh, current signage around town.

2254
02:28:16,181 --> 02:28:22,384
Um, we had a— Violetix actually came and
gave us a little demo of what they did.

2255
02:28:22,384 --> 02:28:25,951
He spent 15 minutes driving around
Stonebrook.

2256
02:28:25,951 --> 02:28:31,689
And already nabbed 150 signs, gave them
all classifications, geolocations,

2257
02:28:31,689 --> 02:28:37,970
and just within 10 minutes had everything
that we needed and that we were looking

2258
02:28:37,970 --> 02:28:38,280
for.

2259
02:28:38,280 --> 02:28:39,800
And road conditions.

2260
02:28:39,800 --> 02:28:43,103
And road conditions— potholes, storm drain
inlets.

2261
02:28:43,103 --> 02:28:48,519
It gathers a lot of information, and we're
able to make informed decisions better.

2262
02:28:48,519 --> 02:28:53,605
The neat thing about it, instead of paying
a consultant one time to go do it,

2263
02:28:53,605 --> 02:28:58,559
You know, and do that about every year. We
go do it every month if we want.

2264
02:28:58,559 --> 02:29:03,909
We have guys out in the field, Wayne and
Dave, in, in the engineering department.

2265
02:29:03,909 --> 02:29:08,004
They're going to construction sites all
around town every day,

2266
02:29:08,004 --> 02:29:09,523
driving a lot of miles.

2267
02:29:09,523 --> 02:29:14,940
And we can start heat mapping the town to
where they can see where they have been,

2268
02:29:14,940 --> 02:29:19,894
where they haven't been, be collecting
more up-to-date data every time they

2269
02:29:19,894 --> 02:29:20,290
more up-to-date data every time they
drive.

2270
02:29:20,290 --> 02:29:20,850
Okay.

2271
02:29:21,500 --> 02:29:24,576
It's unlimited amount that we want to
drive.

2272
02:29:24,576 --> 02:29:28,631
So before a project starts, our guys can
go out and drive,

2273
02:29:28,631 --> 02:29:32,895
get the pavement conditions of what the
road was like before.

2274
02:29:32,895 --> 02:29:37,090
It's not just somebody's opinion— the road
was kind of good.

2275
02:29:37,090 --> 02:29:40,655
It's hard data that's been classified and
archived.

2276
02:29:40,655 --> 02:29:46,318
And after construction starts and after
construction's complete, we can see, hey,

2277
02:29:46,318 --> 02:29:49,045
how bad was the road How bad is it now?

2278
02:29:49,045 --> 02:29:53,939
Um, it just helps as we're planning some
of our longer-range projects,

2279
02:29:53,939 --> 02:29:57,224
kind of what the issues that can arise
from it.

2280
02:29:57,224 --> 02:30:02,887
And whenever it comes to budgeting, how
important it is to make sure that we are,

2281
02:30:02,887 --> 02:30:08,410
uh, we are staying focused on what we need
to. So, um, yep. Any more questions?

2282
02:30:08,410 --> 02:30:12,730
Any questions for Joel for Resolution
26-080?

2283
02:30:12,900 --> 02:30:14,880
I will say that Violetics,

2284
02:30:14,880 --> 02:30:21,200
we just so happened to talk with them and
they are looking to branch into this area

2285
02:30:21,200 --> 02:30:27,596
of the country and they are really excited
to hopefully bring us on if it's approved

2286
02:30:27,596 --> 02:30:33,535
to have one of these partnerships where
they want to showcase us as a premier,

2287
02:30:33,535 --> 02:30:38,180
you know, hey, look at this town, look at
what they're doing.

2288
02:30:38,180 --> 02:30:38,260
Okay.

2289
02:30:38,590 --> 02:30:40,409
So this software is pretty new,

2290
02:30:40,409 --> 02:30:44,867
but we can really be at the forefront of
how it's implemented in a municipal

2291
02:30:44,867 --> 02:30:47,390
government, a smaller municipal
government.

2292
02:30:47,390 --> 02:30:50,876
So is there a rough timeline of
completion?

2293
02:30:50,876 --> 02:30:56,876
Like, how long do they foresee driving
around town before data is received

2294
02:30:56,876 --> 02:30:59,470
for the entirety of Nolensville?

2295
02:30:59,470 --> 02:31:04,718
Um, we can— he's already turned it on for
me free. to try it out.

2296
02:31:04,718 --> 02:31:08,109
It usually— if you say, if I drove a road,

2297
02:31:08,109 --> 02:31:13,518
he says within 24 hours you have the
data's already been processed.

2298
02:31:13,518 --> 02:31:16,990
All the data is back to you and you own
it.

2299
02:31:16,990 --> 02:31:21,484
So potentially quick turnaround as you
pocket different parts of Nolensville and

2300
02:31:21,484 --> 02:31:22,270
bring it back.

2301
02:31:22,270 --> 02:31:27,849
And I think the goal at first to conquer
the 80-something miles of roadway we have

2302
02:31:27,849 --> 02:31:31,659
neighborhood by neighborhood. That would
be the easiest.

2303
02:31:31,659 --> 02:31:34,720
So, and you can knock one of those out a
day.

2304
02:31:37,400 --> 02:31:41,080
All right, any objection to this budgeted
item being under consent agenda?

2305
02:31:41,080 --> 02:31:45,808
I'm super geeked for this. I'm excited for
this. Yeah, uh, I think it's great.

2306
02:31:45,808 --> 02:31:48,111
I, I spoke to Enoch and, and Joel, uh,

2307
02:31:48,111 --> 02:31:53,021
about using this more widely across Public
Works in terms of work order tracking,

2308
02:31:53,021 --> 02:31:57,689
uh, so we can start monitoring Uh,
emergent maintenance, routine maintenance,

2309
02:31:57,689 --> 02:32:01,932
things like that along, you know,
implications with roads, stormwater,

2310
02:32:01,932 --> 02:32:02,720
implications with roads, stormwater,
downed trees,

2311
02:32:02,720 --> 02:32:07,690
things like that. I think it's going to be
amazing for us to start recording these

2312
02:32:07,690 --> 02:32:09,691
metrics and identifying the need,

2313
02:32:09,691 --> 02:32:13,691
whether it be staff needs or equipment
needs and things like that.

2314
02:32:13,691 --> 02:32:18,480
So much appreciated on this initiative.
Um, and I'm happy to see this in place.

2315
02:32:18,480 --> 02:32:23,013
Absolutely. Yeah. I'm excited to, if it's
approved, roll it out and, uh,

2316
02:32:23,013 --> 02:32:25,971
let Kyle and his crew also show what it
can do.

2317
02:32:25,971 --> 02:32:30,630
Some of the capabilities that are part of
this price, it's pretty amazing.

2318
02:32:30,630 --> 02:32:33,830
All right, consent?

2319
02:32:33,830 --> 02:32:34,630
Yes.

2320
02:32:34,630 --> 02:32:37,830
All right, the next item is number 9,
Resolution 26-081.

2321
02:32:37,830 --> 02:32:44,435
All right, this is a resolution approving
the professional services agreement with

2322
02:32:44,435 --> 02:32:50,235
Neil Schaefer Incorporated for annual
as-needed professional engineering

2323
02:32:50,235 --> 02:32:50,879
as-needed professional engineering
services

2324
02:32:50,879 --> 02:32:56,518
related to PC SWMM stormwater
infrastructure model maintenance as part

2325
02:32:56,518 --> 02:32:57,323
infrastructure model maintenance as part
of the ARP

2326
02:32:57,323 --> 02:32:59,176
grant that we received,

2327
02:32:59,176 --> 02:33:05,539
one of the aspects was for 75% of our
stormwater system to be mapped and for us

2328
02:33:05,539 --> 02:33:05,700
stormwater system to be mapped and for us
to

2329
02:33:05,700 --> 02:33:09,003
be able to run a model anytime, you know,

2330
02:33:09,003 --> 02:33:14,319
we needed to run it after big events or
new development coming in.

2331
02:33:14,319 --> 02:33:18,830
We can utilize it to help with making
those evaluations.

2332
02:33:20,080 --> 02:33:20,160
The—

2333
02:33:21,120 --> 02:33:24,856
that grant covered 75% of the stormwater
modeling.

2334
02:33:24,856 --> 02:33:30,310
Obviously, if you— if you pay for
something, you want to make it the best

2335
02:33:30,310 --> 02:33:30,908
something, you want to make it the best
you can.

2336
02:33:30,908 --> 02:33:32,702
You want to continue it.

2337
02:33:32,702 --> 02:33:38,903
Our goal is to hopefully have 100% of the
town built out and to continually keep it

2338
02:33:38,903 --> 02:33:43,760
updated. With that, we did budget this
year to put money towards—

2339
02:33:43,760 --> 02:33:44,400
Yes.

2340
02:33:44,330 --> 02:33:48,954
Uh, having Neil Schaefer continue that
service for us to keep the model up to

2341
02:33:48,954 --> 02:33:49,194
service for us to keep the model up to
date

2342
02:33:49,194 --> 02:33:53,877
and also input. We're going to be start
backfilling the 25% that we didn't get

2343
02:33:53,877 --> 02:33:55,559
covered in the grant slowly.

2344
02:33:55,559 --> 02:34:00,422
We're not going to do it all at once, but
to catch up to current day development.

2345
02:34:00,422 --> 02:34:03,245
And then hopefully as new development
comes in,

2346
02:34:03,245 --> 02:34:07,508
it's automatically being put in there and,
uh, part of this yearly, uh,

2347
02:34:07,508 --> 02:34:10,330
hopefully budget item we could have every
year.

2348
02:34:10,330 --> 02:34:12,599
Okay. So any questions for 26-081?

2349
02:34:12,599 --> 02:34:17,470
I do think it's a benefit to the town long
term if we have model data for

2350
02:34:17,470 --> 02:34:21,474
stormwater. I mean, a lot of Nolensville
is in a floodplain,

2351
02:34:21,474 --> 02:34:26,679
and also the Stonebrook neighborhood
behind us was developed prior to the town

2352
02:34:26,679 --> 02:34:27,013
behind us was developed prior to the town
being

2353
02:34:27,013 --> 02:34:32,151
here. And I know that there's a lot of
differences between stormwater in that

2354
02:34:32,151 --> 02:34:37,089
neighborhood area versus some of the
developments that can be challenging.

2355
02:34:37,089 --> 02:34:42,428
And I think the work that's been done in
this particular area benefits the whole

2356
02:34:42,428 --> 02:34:47,433
town but also benefits areas that don't
have the stormwater infrastructure.

2357
02:34:47,433 --> 02:34:52,171
And it takes knowing what you got before
you can do something about it.

2358
02:34:52,171 --> 02:34:56,976
So I see this as a, as a budgeted
component of that that is important to

2359
02:34:56,976 --> 02:34:57,242
component of that that is important to
move

2360
02:34:57,242 --> 02:34:58,110
forward with.

2361
02:34:58,110 --> 02:35:00,240
And Neil Schaefer, with, with this,

2362
02:35:00,240 --> 02:35:05,107
they'd kind of be on call as needed and
The other day we had a pretty major rain

2363
02:35:05,107 --> 02:35:08,758
event on one side of town, wasn't on the
other side of town.

2364
02:35:08,758 --> 02:35:13,686
We were able to kind of plug in some rough
numbers while we were on the call with

2365
02:35:13,686 --> 02:35:15,633
them. And they said, well, look,

2366
02:35:15,633 --> 02:35:19,101
let's look at this node here and see how
the water flows.

2367
02:35:19,101 --> 02:35:24,090
And it's pretty neat having that modeled
out to where if something were to happen,

2368
02:35:24,090 --> 02:35:28,836
we have the data behind it to figure out
what's going on besides just somebody

2369
02:35:28,836 --> 02:35:32,730
thinking, you know, it's always important
to have the hard data.

2370
02:35:32,730 --> 02:35:35,744
Oh, sorry. No questions, just a big thank
you.

2371
02:35:35,744 --> 02:35:40,856
I know that, um, your department in
particular has come a very long way in the

2372
02:35:40,856 --> 02:35:41,118
particular has come a very long way in the
last

2373
02:35:41,118 --> 02:35:44,984
2 years, and I know that you're behind
quite a bit of that.

2374
02:35:44,984 --> 02:35:50,161
And so just a big thank you to everything
that you are trying to facilitate and

2375
02:35:50,161 --> 02:35:54,879
really organize so that we can better
manage when a storm event happens,

2376
02:35:54,879 --> 02:35:59,728
or just the data to go out for roadway
projects. We greatly appreciate it.

2377
02:35:59,728 --> 02:36:00,580
So thank you.

2378
02:36:00,580 --> 02:36:01,860
Thank you.

2379
02:36:01,860 --> 02:36:03,220
Thank you, JoJo.

2380
02:36:03,220 --> 02:36:05,460
All 3 were on consent.

2381
02:36:05,460 --> 02:36:07,220
I was about to say, any objection to
consent?

2382
02:36:07,540 --> 02:36:07,820
No.

2383
02:36:10,820 --> 02:36:18,189
All right, the next item, um, the next
item is number 10, Resolution 26-082,

2384
02:36:18,189 --> 02:36:25,364
a resolution authorizing purchase of a
vehicle through Tennessee Statewide

2385
02:36:25,364 --> 02:36:32,830
Contract for Fire Matthew's not able to be
with us tonight, but the position—

2386
02:36:32,990 --> 02:36:38,050
or the equipment that he was referring to
here is the brush truck.

2387
02:36:38,050 --> 02:36:41,960
It is a budgeted item. It comes from the
fire fees.

2388
02:36:41,960 --> 02:36:46,330
They had a total of $400,000 in there to
come from there.

2389
02:36:46,330 --> 02:36:48,707
This one is less than $100,000.

2390
02:36:48,707 --> 02:36:54,303
The other is the Type 3 pumper that they
were looking at, uh, that would—

2391
02:36:54,303 --> 02:36:57,140
that the remaining funds would go to.

2392
02:36:57,140 --> 02:37:01,970
But this is, uh, basically it's a pickup,
like a, um, an F-350,

2393
02:37:01,970 --> 02:37:03,810
something on that order,

2394
02:37:03,810 --> 02:37:10,020
that they would purchase off the state
contract and then have the brush equipment

2395
02:37:10,020 --> 02:37:11,400
mounted onto that.

2396
02:37:11,400 --> 02:37:16,920
Just for confirmation, it's a 2026 Chevy
3500 pickup truck, not a—

2397
02:37:17,080 --> 02:37:17,640
not a Ford.

2398
02:37:17,600 --> 02:37:20,800
Sorry, for $48,344.60.

2399
02:37:20,800 --> 02:37:27,957
All right, any questions for Victor for
Resolution 26-082? Any objection to

2400
02:37:27,957 --> 02:37:28,720
Resolution 26-082? Any objection to
consent?

2401
02:37:29,120 --> 02:37:29,200
No.

2402
02:37:30,880 --> 02:37:35,553
Item 11, Resolution 26-083, a resolution
requesting the Nolensville,

2403
02:37:35,553 --> 02:37:40,981
Tennessee municipal election be held in
conjunction with the State of Tennessee

2404
02:37:40,981 --> 02:37:46,410
general election on November 3rd, 2026.
Does staff want to talk about this one?

2405
02:37:46,410 --> 02:37:51,266
Resolution that we do every time an
election is up that I send to Chad Gray,

2406
02:37:51,266 --> 02:37:52,544
I think is his name,

2407
02:37:52,544 --> 02:37:57,847
and let him know that we want to have the
election with the state general election,

2408
02:37:57,847 --> 02:38:01,170
and then he puts it in the Williamson
Herald for us.

2409
02:38:01,530 --> 02:38:05,325
Any questions about this? Any objections
to consent?

2410
02:38:05,325 --> 02:38:07,880
The next item is Resolution 26-085,

2411
02:38:07,880 --> 02:38:13,500
a resolution authorizing the execution of
a statement of work with Civic Plus

2412
02:38:13,500 --> 02:38:18,390
for the next request standard plan and
Archive Social economy plan.

2413
02:38:18,590 --> 02:38:20,645
It's our, um, new hopefully, um,

2414
02:38:20,645 --> 02:38:24,562
records request software that will be used
within town staff.

2415
02:38:24,562 --> 02:38:27,195
It's already in the budget for this year,

2416
02:38:27,195 --> 02:38:31,048
and they are giving us Archive Social for
up to 12 accounts,

2417
02:38:31,048 --> 02:38:34,323
which is social media public, um, records
requests,

2418
02:38:34,323 --> 02:38:37,533
which hopefully we will keep and continue
to have,

2419
02:38:37,533 --> 02:38:41,900
but they're giving it to us for a year.
It's a bundle deal for that.

2420
02:38:41,900 --> 02:38:48,020
Any questions about this particular agenda
item or objection to consent?

2421
02:38:48,020 --> 02:38:50,315
Item 13, Resolution 26-088,

2422
02:38:50,315 --> 02:38:56,605
a resolution to authorize submittal of
results of request for proposal and

2423
02:38:56,605 --> 02:39:02,980
recommendation for contractor to TDEC for
Chris Mann Brown Park project and

2424
02:39:02,980 --> 02:39:10,035
commitment to initiate budget amendment to
fund a portion of construction costs not

2425
02:39:10,035 --> 02:39:11,990
I see how this is last.

2426
02:39:11,990 --> 02:39:18,028
Save the best for last. Try to keep it
brief but very straightforward for you

2427
02:39:18,028 --> 02:39:18,342
brief but very straightforward for you
all.

2428
02:39:18,342 --> 02:39:23,987
Um, we've been through a bid process. We
received 6 different proposals.

2429
02:39:23,987 --> 02:39:30,025
Uh, we went through a protest of one of
the contractors regarding the We have

2430
02:39:30,025 --> 02:39:34,495
reviewed the bid package documentation
that was provided.

2431
02:39:34,495 --> 02:39:39,121
We felt it was compliant with state law as
well as our RFP.

2432
02:39:39,121 --> 02:39:42,885
So we have summarily moved on from that
protest.

2433
02:39:42,885 --> 02:39:48,767
You have before you a package of
information that basically breaks down the

2434
02:39:48,767 --> 02:39:53,628
proposals that we received. You have a bid
tabulation summary.

2435
02:39:53,628 --> 02:39:58,255
The bids range from around $1.6 million up
to $3.2 million.

2436
02:39:58,255 --> 02:40:03,273
You can see there's quite a bit of swing
or gap between the two.

2437
02:40:03,273 --> 02:40:08,213
We are recommending the lowest, most
qualified to proceed with,

2438
02:40:08,213 --> 02:40:11,428
and that would be Steelhead Construction.

2439
02:40:11,428 --> 02:40:17,623
In the agenda package, you also have some
choices to make with the bid package.

2440
02:40:17,623 --> 02:40:23,661
We included both additive as well as
deductive alternates for you all to give

2441
02:40:23,661 --> 02:40:30,013
consideration to. The deductive alternates
basically involve removing the asphalt

2442
02:40:30,013 --> 02:40:34,012
surfacing from the loop trail around the
playfield.

2443
02:40:34,012 --> 02:40:40,128
Town staff does not recommend that you do
that simply because since you have a

2444
02:40:40,128 --> 02:40:41,775
contractor mobilized,

2445
02:40:41,775 --> 02:40:47,891
we think it's in the best interest of the
town to move forward and surface the

2446
02:40:47,891 --> 02:40:49,930
walking surface correctly.

2447
02:40:49,930 --> 02:40:50,090
Okay.

2448
02:40:50,060 --> 02:40:54,612
Correctly. This would be considered
potentially a defect from an ADA

2449
02:40:54,612 --> 02:40:55,281
potentially a defect from an ADA
compliance

2450
02:40:55,281 --> 02:40:57,222
standpoint because, you know,

2451
02:40:57,222 --> 02:41:01,506
gravel in itself is not considered a
suitable material for that.

2452
02:41:01,506 --> 02:41:06,727
The other deductive element involved the
sidewalk that basically goes from the

2453
02:41:06,727 --> 02:41:08,869
parking area out to Sunset Road.

2454
02:41:08,869 --> 02:41:11,546
And again, because of pedestrian safety,

2455
02:41:11,546 --> 02:41:16,700
we feel that it's an important element to
include in the initial bid package.

2456
02:41:16,700 --> 02:41:17,020
Okay.

2457
02:41:18,440 --> 02:41:22,519
The additive change orders basically
involve the restroom building.

2458
02:41:22,519 --> 02:41:26,414
If you recall, we had as part of the
design 2 different options.

2459
02:41:26,414 --> 02:41:31,102
One was basically a basic restroom
facility with a little bit of an overhang,

2460
02:41:31,102 --> 02:41:34,389
you know, somebody could get out of
inclement weather.

2461
02:41:34,389 --> 02:41:39,198
We also provided an add-alt that would
allow for an extension or an enlargement

2462
02:41:39,198 --> 02:41:39,320
allow for an extension or an enlargement
of

2463
02:41:39,320 --> 02:41:42,120
that restroom facility to include an
enclosed—

2464
02:41:42,120 --> 02:41:42,600
Bathroom.

2465
02:41:42,930 --> 02:41:47,764
porch, basically. We feel that this would
be a really nice feature in the event of

2466
02:41:47,764 --> 02:41:49,415
inclement weather. You know,

2467
02:41:49,415 --> 02:41:52,776
as you all have seen on many occasions in
recent history,

2468
02:41:52,776 --> 02:41:55,429
our thunderstorms are more severe these
days.

2469
02:41:55,429 --> 02:41:58,023
Many of them bring hail and everything
else,

2470
02:41:58,023 --> 02:42:02,798
and the last thing you want is a group of
individuals out on the sports courts or

2471
02:42:02,798 --> 02:42:05,982
out in the playfield and they have nowhere
to shelter.

2472
02:42:05,982 --> 02:42:10,757
And so this provides at least an option
within a reasonable distance of the sport

2473
02:42:10,757 --> 02:42:11,170
courts.

2474
02:42:11,170 --> 02:42:11,410
Thank you.

2475
02:42:12,330 --> 02:42:14,816
to shelter in the event of a storm.

2476
02:42:14,816 --> 02:42:19,789
Can we accommodate a couple hundred people
under that? Absolutely not.

2477
02:42:19,789 --> 02:42:24,833
But at least it gives those first
individuals an opportunity to shelter

2478
02:42:24,833 --> 02:42:25,472
individuals an opportunity to shelter
under it,

2479
02:42:25,472 --> 02:42:29,451
and hopefully we make a priority for older
folks, women,

2480
02:42:29,451 --> 02:42:32,079
and children in that particular case.

2481
02:42:32,079 --> 02:42:36,839
The Ad Alt basically allows you to
construct the porch addition for

2482
02:42:36,839 --> 02:42:37,762
construct the porch addition for
approximately

2483
02:42:37,762 --> 02:42:39,894
$30,000 or $29,000 and change.

2484
02:42:39,894 --> 02:42:44,511
The other additive alternates include a
standing seam metal roof.

2485
02:42:44,511 --> 02:42:47,850
The first option, 2A, is for the base
building.

2486
02:42:47,850 --> 02:42:52,041
The second option involves basically the
enlarged building,

2487
02:42:52,041 --> 02:42:55,096
so it's a little bit more significant
cost.

2488
02:42:55,096 --> 02:42:58,648
You've got $8,000 and change versus about
$12,000.

2489
02:42:58,648 --> 02:43:03,976
Town staff recommends that you give
favorable consideration to awarding the

2490
02:43:03,976 --> 02:43:04,474
favorable consideration to awarding the
project

2491
02:43:04,474 --> 02:43:07,741
basically on a base bid plus the additive
one,

2492
02:43:07,741 --> 02:43:11,435
which would basically enlarge the restroom
building,

2493
02:43:11,435 --> 02:43:16,337
and also for you to give consideration to
a standing seam metal roof,

2494
02:43:16,337 --> 02:43:21,239
which we feel is a more durable surface
for roofing in the long term,

2495
02:43:21,239 --> 02:43:26,283
especially when you consider the frequency
and the intensity of storms,

2496
02:43:26,283 --> 02:43:28,556
especially those involving hail.

2497
02:43:28,556 --> 02:43:33,600
They don't tend to do well with asphalt
shingle roofs in the long haul.

2498
02:43:33,600 --> 02:43:34,000
Thank you.

2499
02:43:35,950 --> 02:43:40,973
Those together would have a cost impact of
about $40,000.

2500
02:43:40,973 --> 02:43:47,053
That would bring the difference basically
in line with about $512,000

2501
02:43:47,053 --> 02:43:53,221
of additional cost between what we have
currently budgeted versus what

2502
02:43:53,221 --> 02:43:59,124
we feel would be the difference if you
were to do the additive plus

2503
02:43:59,124 --> 02:44:00,270
the base bid.

2504
02:44:00,270 --> 02:44:00,510
Okay.

2505
02:44:01,540 --> 02:44:07,354
We have also recommended in the bid or in
the agenda package your consideration of a

2506
02:44:07,354 --> 02:44:09,638
$50,000 construction contingency,

2507
02:44:09,638 --> 02:44:15,036
which we think would be appropriate to
address any unforeseen circumstances on

2508
02:44:15,036 --> 02:44:15,244
address any unforeseen circumstances on
the

2509
02:44:15,244 --> 02:44:19,050
project. That brings us basically to the
discussion on—

2510
02:44:19,050 --> 02:44:23,895
unless you have any questions in terms of
just the bid package itself.

2511
02:44:23,895 --> 02:44:26,387
That brings us to the funding of it.

2512
02:44:26,387 --> 02:44:29,917
Obviously, the state grant falls short of
the cost.

2513
02:44:29,917 --> 02:44:34,485
construction valuation that we've received
in the, in the low bid.

2514
02:44:34,485 --> 02:44:39,814
Uh, if you were to take basically the
additive bids for the enlarged restroom

2515
02:44:39,814 --> 02:44:40,022
additive bids for the enlarged restroom
and

2516
02:44:40,022 --> 02:44:44,866
then the metal roof, you're looking at a
difference of about $512,000.

2517
02:44:44,866 --> 02:44:47,981
When you add the $50,000 contingency to
that,

2518
02:44:47,981 --> 02:44:51,303
you're now at about $562,000 in cost
difference.

2519
02:44:51,303 --> 02:44:56,771
Staff's giving you initially the option of
taking monies from your fund balance

2520
02:44:56,771 --> 02:44:59,124
reserve In the amount of $562,000.

2521
02:44:59,124 --> 02:45:03,899
You have available uncommitted currently
in the fund balance reserve,

2522
02:45:03,899 --> 02:45:09,644
and you have to keep a certain amount in
order to maintain your fund balance policy

2523
02:45:09,644 --> 02:45:11,928
compliance of about $1.8 million.

2524
02:45:11,928 --> 02:45:17,326
Another option that you could consider is
to take those monies out of adequate

2525
02:45:17,326 --> 02:45:22,586
facilities tax. And I apologize for not
providing that as an option as well.

2526
02:45:22,586 --> 02:45:26,670
But you currently have, as budgeted in the
FY 26-27 budget,

2527
02:45:26,670 --> 02:45:32,345
$3.156 million in Adequate Facilities Tax
that's uncommitted and available for use

2528
02:45:32,345 --> 02:45:36,982
in this project. You also, as part of any
local funding commitment,

2529
02:45:36,982 --> 02:45:42,589
in this case for sewer, you're using, I
believe, Adequate Facilities Tax as well.

2530
02:45:42,589 --> 02:45:47,779
As part of the funding mechanism for the
sewer extension that will be under

2531
02:45:47,779 --> 02:45:50,686
construction here in the very near future.

2532
02:45:50,686 --> 02:45:55,946
So you could just sweep money in from
adequate facilities if you would like.

2533
02:45:55,946 --> 02:45:59,822
So you basically have 2 options to cover
the difference.

2534
02:45:59,822 --> 02:46:04,944
Contractually, we have a commitment that
we have to cover that difference.

2535
02:46:04,944 --> 02:46:06,397
If you choose not to,

2536
02:46:06,397 --> 02:46:11,796
then obviously we have got to go back to
TDEC and try to descope or reduce the

2537
02:46:11,796 --> 02:46:12,142
TDEC and try to descope or reduce the
scope

2538
02:46:12,142 --> 02:46:13,180
of the project.

2539
02:46:13,180 --> 02:46:13,500
Okay.

2540
02:46:13,460 --> 02:46:16,232
I don't know how that would fare with
them.

2541
02:46:16,232 --> 02:46:20,615
Typically, they're going to expect you to
do the work at some point.

2542
02:46:20,615 --> 02:46:24,032
There's no better time now than to get the
work done.

2543
02:46:24,032 --> 02:46:27,706
It certainly is not going to get cheaper
as time goes on.

2544
02:46:27,706 --> 02:46:32,670
So with that, we provided you with a draft
resolution that does a few things.

2545
02:46:32,670 --> 02:46:37,634
Number one, it authorizes the mayor to
basically prepare and execute a letter

2546
02:46:37,634 --> 02:46:42,082
transmitted to TDEC that basically
contains a package of information.

2547
02:46:42,082 --> 02:46:47,110
There's a lot of document requirements
that we have to show as part of the bid

2548
02:46:47,110 --> 02:46:51,622
process, but also it provides a
recommendation on who we would like to

2549
02:46:51,622 --> 02:46:51,945
recommendation on who we would like to
hire.

2550
02:46:51,945 --> 02:46:55,684
In this case, we're recommending Steelhead
Building Group.

2551
02:46:55,684 --> 02:47:00,905
You also have to address the disparity or
the difference between the grant amount

2552
02:47:00,905 --> 02:47:04,451
and the construction contract amount, and
in this case,

2553
02:47:04,451 --> 02:47:09,350
we're also including the budgeted
contingency, which is not a requirement of

2554
02:47:09,350 --> 02:47:09,672
contingency, which is not a requirement of
TDEC,

2555
02:47:09,672 --> 02:47:14,894
but it's Yes. Something that we feel is
important to have just in case we have to

2556
02:47:14,894 --> 02:47:15,023
important to have just in case we have to
go

2557
02:47:15,023 --> 02:47:17,601
back and deal with something unforeseen.

2558
02:47:17,601 --> 02:47:22,758
We are looking for instruction from you
all on whether you would like to see the

2559
02:47:22,758 --> 02:47:27,657
base bid enhanced with the enlargement of
the restroom structure, and if so,

2560
02:47:27,657 --> 02:47:31,139
are you okay with Alternate 1 that has
been presented?

2561
02:47:31,139 --> 02:47:34,168
And then also before you is Alternate 2A
and B.

2562
02:47:34,168 --> 02:47:38,745
If you would prefer to see a standing seam
metal roof versus an asphalt

2563
02:47:38,745 --> 02:47:41,517
architectural shingle roof system in
place.

2564
02:47:41,517 --> 02:47:42,871
It's a lot to digest,

2565
02:47:42,871 --> 02:47:47,835
but happy to kind of work through that
with you all one step at a time if you

2566
02:47:47,835 --> 02:47:48,157
with you all one step at a time if you
would

2567
02:47:48,157 --> 02:47:52,669
like. Sorry we are waiting for this to be
the last item on the agenda,

2568
02:47:52,669 --> 02:47:54,990
but hopefully we can cut through it.

2569
02:47:54,990 --> 02:47:56,830
All right.

2570
02:47:56,910 --> 02:48:00,190
Any questions for Chuck and feedback on
the specifics?

2571
02:48:00,650 --> 02:48:07,879
I just appreciate the thoroughness of this
with the alternatives suggested and bid

2572
02:48:07,879 --> 02:48:11,405
out by the proposers. No real questions.

2573
02:48:11,405 --> 02:48:18,282
You know, I think we just have to decide
where we are going to pull that extra

2574
02:48:18,282 --> 02:48:25,247
funding from. I like the idea of a A
larger building, larger covering at least.

2575
02:48:25,247 --> 02:48:31,947
I'll defer to your knowledge of standing
seam versus asphalt shingles from a

2576
02:48:31,947 --> 02:48:36,531
durability and maintenance standpoint for
long term.

2577
02:48:36,531 --> 02:48:40,410
But yeah, I appreciate all the work on
this.

2578
02:48:40,410 --> 02:48:45,055
We provided for your consideration a
spreadsheet that gives you different

2579
02:48:45,055 --> 02:48:47,282
combinations of alternates as well.

2580
02:48:47,282 --> 02:48:50,591
So if you want to try to mix and match a
little bit,

2581
02:48:50,591 --> 02:48:55,491
you're welcome to give consideration to
that as well as far as a combination.

2582
02:48:55,491 --> 02:48:57,845
Deductive and additive change orders.

2583
02:48:57,845 --> 02:49:01,472
Again, our recommendation is to leave the
base bid as is,

2584
02:49:01,472 --> 02:49:04,208
which would basically negate the
deductive,

2585
02:49:04,208 --> 02:49:07,835
and to just focus on whether you want to
do the additive,

2586
02:49:07,835 --> 02:49:12,926
which would be the enlarged restroom and
then standing seam metal roof either in

2587
02:49:12,926 --> 02:49:13,117
then standing seam metal roof either in
its

2588
02:49:13,117 --> 02:49:15,280
original building or the enlarged.

2589
02:49:15,280 --> 02:49:19,772
So I'll defer to staff and your knowledge
based on, again, Again,

2590
02:49:19,772 --> 02:49:25,301
I agree with Commissioner Strouffer at the
end, material-based, but even sizing,

2591
02:49:25,301 --> 02:49:29,447
and if that is something that you are
recommending based on—

2592
02:49:29,447 --> 02:49:34,907
if we have all been outside and we are
looking for someplace, I agree with you.

2593
02:49:34,907 --> 02:49:39,744
Still like a bit more time in terms of
where we pull the overage from.

2594
02:49:39,744 --> 02:49:42,439
I know for myself it is not a surprise.

2595
02:49:42,439 --> 02:49:45,549
The 5 in front is a little bit of a
surprise,

2596
02:49:45,549 --> 02:49:48,659
but based on construction climate these
days,

2597
02:49:48,659 --> 02:49:52,667
not surprised that it came in over what we
were expecting.

2598
02:49:52,667 --> 02:49:55,501
I tend to lean towards adequate facility,

2599
02:49:55,501 --> 02:50:01,168
but a bit more time just to kind of review
that and maybe a few more questions for

2600
02:50:01,168 --> 02:50:03,794
staff regarding that particular topic.

2601
02:50:03,794 --> 02:50:08,217
But I agree with Commissioner Strufer in
terms of the, the size,

2602
02:50:08,217 --> 02:50:11,050
and then materials I would lend to staff.

2603
02:50:11,050 --> 02:50:11,740
Thank you.

2604
02:50:14,740 --> 02:50:16,476
Same. Also, kind of,

2605
02:50:16,476 --> 02:50:22,725
I think we definitely need the larger
bathroom restroom with the area to

2606
02:50:22,725 --> 02:50:23,419
bathroom restroom with the area to
shelter.

2607
02:50:23,419 --> 02:50:30,276
I know initially it had been proposed that
there be a pavilion on the property.

2608
02:50:30,276 --> 02:50:36,959
I think that would have solved some of
that issue, but I think in the future,

2609
02:50:36,959 --> 02:50:41,125
that would be a great thing to, to have as
well.

2610
02:50:41,125 --> 02:50:45,899
But I, like they said, I trust y'all. I
looked at that.

2611
02:50:45,899 --> 02:50:49,110
If you think it's needed, absolutely.

2612
02:50:49,110 --> 02:50:53,317
Yeah, the, the covered porch basically is
just— it's an area of refuge.

2613
02:50:53,317 --> 02:50:57,880
We weren't looking at it as trying to
figure out a way to program or use that

2614
02:50:57,880 --> 02:50:58,177
figure out a way to program or use that
space

2615
02:50:58,177 --> 02:51:01,910
or put a table on it or anything like
that. It's strictly just—

2616
02:51:01,910 --> 02:51:03,815
I didn't connect those two.

2617
02:51:03,815 --> 02:51:05,932
I was more so saying that The—

2618
02:51:05,932 --> 02:51:09,531
I was more so saying that if it were about
shelter,

2619
02:51:09,531 --> 02:51:13,341
I think a pavilion would have, would have
solved that.

2620
02:51:13,341 --> 02:51:18,210
However, I know we're not going to put
picnic tables in the restroom.

2621
02:51:18,210 --> 02:51:20,050
I mean, very good.

2622
02:51:21,250 --> 02:51:21,890
You could start something.

2623
02:51:21,890 --> 02:51:25,970
It seems unsanitary, but I'll leave it at
that.

2624
02:51:25,970 --> 02:51:28,085
The one thing that you all— Vice Mayor,

2625
02:51:28,085 --> 02:51:32,477
you've made a very good I think that's a
good point in terms of understanding the

2626
02:51:32,477 --> 02:51:35,730
financial commitment you are making to
cover the difference.

2627
02:51:35,730 --> 02:51:39,797
You basically have 2 different funding
sources, one being your cash balance

2628
02:51:39,797 --> 02:51:40,230
sources, one being your cash balance
reserve,

2629
02:51:40,230 --> 02:51:42,399
the other being adequate facilities tax.

2630
02:51:42,399 --> 02:51:45,110
Both of them have sufficient monies to
cover this.

2631
02:51:45,110 --> 02:51:48,201
It could be a combination of the 2. It
could be just one.

2632
02:51:48,201 --> 02:51:52,702
I think the important consideration of all
of this obviously is that there is a lot

2633
02:51:52,702 --> 02:51:55,250
of capital projects that are looming out
there.

2634
02:51:55,250 --> 02:51:55,810
Yes.

2635
02:51:55,810 --> 02:51:58,609
Mayor, that was to your point earlier
tonight,

2636
02:51:58,609 --> 02:52:03,111
making sure that we are not draining those
resources To a point that it's—

2637
02:52:03,111 --> 02:52:05,545
you're in kind of an unrecoverable mode.

2638
02:52:05,545 --> 02:52:09,318
So we've got to be very careful when you
commit these dollars.

2639
02:52:09,318 --> 02:52:14,064
You've got to always be mindful that,
well, we've got an intersection project,

2640
02:52:14,064 --> 02:52:17,288
we've got this road project, we've got
this and this.

2641
02:52:17,288 --> 02:52:22,034
You always want to make sure you're
preserving some component of that nest egg

2642
02:52:22,034 --> 02:52:22,217
preserving some component of that nest egg
for

2643
02:52:22,217 --> 02:52:25,320
rainy day emergencies, other things that
may arise.

2644
02:52:25,320 --> 02:52:25,720
Yes.

2645
02:52:25,990 --> 02:52:29,830
So very important that you understand the
commitment you're making.

2646
02:52:29,830 --> 02:52:35,120
Chuck, did you talk about the difference
in the bid for the utility relocation and

2647
02:52:35,120 --> 02:52:37,830
the monies that we're going to save there?

2648
02:52:37,830 --> 02:52:42,470
Um, in terms of the sewer extension?

2649
02:52:43,030 --> 02:52:43,590
Yeah. Yes.

2650
02:52:44,150 --> 02:52:44,230
Okay.

2651
02:52:44,470 --> 02:52:46,068
On the sewer extension,

2652
02:52:46,068 --> 02:52:51,624
we had budgeted initially $400,000 for
extending the sewer from right behind the

2653
02:52:51,624 --> 02:52:55,862
mobile home park across Mill Creek and
then up into the site.

2654
02:52:55,862 --> 02:53:01,280
As you recall, we awarded a contract
recently through the board's approval for

2655
02:53:01,280 --> 02:53:06,628
roughly $250,000. So we've got a savings
of about $150,000 there we could use

2656
02:53:06,628 --> 02:53:07,045
of about $150,000 there we could use
toward

2657
02:53:07,045 --> 02:53:12,810
that as well. And again, that money is out
of Adequate Facilities Tax, as I recall.

2658
02:53:12,810 --> 02:53:17,210
Chuck, let me defer to Victor.

2659
02:53:18,320 --> 02:53:23,680
So the $560,000 could be reduced by
another $150,000?

2660
02:53:23,680 --> 02:53:24,160
Yes, it could.

2661
02:53:26,000 --> 02:53:30,995
Well, just that you're replenishing that
fund by not using those monies.

2662
02:53:30,995 --> 02:53:35,920
We wouldn't reallocate it necessarily,
just drawing out of that bucket.

2663
02:53:35,920 --> 02:53:39,747
Chuck, you and your team put together an
excellent proposal,

2664
02:53:39,747 --> 02:53:44,977
and therefore it deserves more than just
my typical trite Echoing by saying ditto.

2665
02:53:44,977 --> 02:53:48,932
But frankly, that might be the biggest
compliment I can offer.

2666
02:53:48,932 --> 02:53:54,098
You've made it so concise and complete
that it really does come down to how do we

2667
02:53:54,098 --> 02:53:55,820
fund it. And that's a very—

2668
02:53:56,860 --> 02:53:57,180
that's—

2669
02:53:57,500 --> 02:54:00,698
that is a very good work product from your
team. Thank you for it.

2670
02:54:00,698 --> 02:54:03,460
Mayor, I just say ditto to what we already
heard tonight.

2671
02:54:04,620 --> 02:54:10,439
So I think what I'm hearing from everybody
is the standing seam roof Which is the

2672
02:54:10,439 --> 02:54:16,258
staff recommendation to be added into the
resolution along with the porch for the

2673
02:54:16,258 --> 02:54:22,005
restroom facility, and then probably a
staff recommendation from either adequate

2674
02:54:22,005 --> 02:54:26,890
facilities tax, because it'll be a voting
item on the— on next week.

2675
02:54:26,890 --> 02:54:31,488
So they'll— I assume whatever questions
Vice Mayor Salamida has,

2676
02:54:31,488 --> 02:54:33,140
she'll work with staff.

2677
02:54:33,140 --> 02:54:36,870
Okay.

2678
02:54:39,870 --> 02:54:45,103
All right, do you need staff on— to put
staff on, on their heels right now?

2679
02:54:45,103 --> 02:54:50,825
Is, is there a recommendation to go one
versus the other from a funding standpoint

2680
02:54:50,825 --> 02:54:55,710
for split funding, or is there a strategy
that makes sense to do that?

2681
02:54:55,710 --> 02:54:58,270
Um, can I comment on that?

2682
02:54:58,430 --> 02:54:58,510
Sure.

2683
02:54:59,470 --> 02:55:04,689
Um, I like the adequate facilities tax
because you've— number one,

2684
02:55:04,689 --> 02:55:08,248
it's replenishable from our building
permits.

2685
02:55:08,248 --> 02:55:14,337
We're even— even if our building permits,
if we're only half right, you know,

2686
02:55:14,337 --> 02:55:17,105
as far as what our projections are,

2687
02:55:17,105 --> 02:55:23,274
that's only about a $200,000 swing off of
the numbers that you're seeing right

2688
02:55:23,274 --> 02:55:28,809
there. So if you're talking about we're
not going to spend— we didn't—

2689
02:55:28,809 --> 02:55:34,819
not going to spend as much on the sewer
side that was coming out of adequate

2690
02:55:34,819 --> 02:55:38,062
facilities For the, the sewer connection.

2691
02:55:38,062 --> 02:55:41,621
So we're really talking about a $410,000
hit.

2692
02:55:41,621 --> 02:55:47,631
You're dropping from $3,156,000 or
$3,156,000 to, uh, $2,700,000 and change,

2693
02:55:47,631 --> 02:55:51,664
roughly. So you're still leaving quite a
bit there.

2694
02:55:51,664 --> 02:55:58,149
The reason why I prefer it out of there
versus your general fund cash is that when

2695
02:55:58,149 --> 02:56:02,340
you go to borrow for the police station
construction,

2696
02:56:02,340 --> 02:56:05,899
when you go to borrow for that, cash is
king.

2697
02:56:05,899 --> 02:56:12,067
And to be able to have as much inside your
fund balance as possible is, to me,

2698
02:56:12,067 --> 02:56:16,970
much more advantageous than holding on to
adequate facilities.

2699
02:56:17,650 --> 02:56:18,530
Thank you for that.

2700
02:56:21,250 --> 02:56:25,920
All right, any additional Commentary about
Resolution 26088.

2701
02:56:25,920 --> 02:56:30,554
So just to recap, base bid, enlarged
restroom,

2702
02:56:30,554 --> 02:56:36,095
metal roof, and adequate facilities tax
for the funding

2703
02:56:36,095 --> 02:56:36,800
source.

2704
02:56:38,480 --> 02:56:40,400
Okay, thank you.

2705
02:56:40,400 --> 02:56:45,854
And then we will have an additional
resolution or an additional ordinance

2706
02:56:45,854 --> 02:56:46,527
resolution or an additional ordinance
added for

2707
02:56:46,527 --> 02:56:50,711
first reading for the budget amendment, is
that correct?

2708
02:56:50,711 --> 02:56:54,970
Because we'll have to have that started at
the same time.

2709
02:56:55,010 --> 02:56:57,130
We'll start that process.

2710
02:56:57,330 --> 02:57:01,513
All right. That takes us to our other
item.

2711
02:57:01,513 --> 02:57:06,961
Any additional updates from staff or from
commissioners?

2712
02:57:06,961 --> 02:57:11,728
I will add, we do have a county general
election.

2713
02:57:11,728 --> 02:57:16,690
And if you have not already gone out to
early vote,

2714
02:57:16,690 --> 02:57:19,705
I believe early voting for, um,

2715
02:57:19,705 --> 02:57:26,710
county commissioners and county mayor ends
next Thursday— this Saturday.

2716
02:57:26,710 --> 02:57:27,190
Saturday.

2717
02:57:27,190 --> 02:57:30,174
This Saturday, um, which is August 1st,

2718
02:57:30,174 --> 02:57:34,307
and then the general election I believe is
August 6th.

2719
02:57:34,307 --> 02:57:39,969
So if you have not already, um, done your
civic duty and gone out to vote,

2720
02:57:39,969 --> 02:57:44,102
I would encourage you all to do so. Any
other updates?

2721
02:57:44,102 --> 02:57:47,698
Um, we didn't recognize it in the last
meeting,

2722
02:57:47,698 --> 02:57:53,973
but the police department did receive an
award a couple weeks ago at the Tennessee

2723
02:57:53,973 --> 02:57:58,641
Municipal League Conference for excellence
in police service.

2724
02:57:58,641 --> 02:58:04,381
So congratulations to Chief Armour and the
team, well-deserved recognition,

2725
02:58:04,381 --> 02:58:09,202
and was excited to, to be there with you
when you were awarded.

2726
02:58:09,202 --> 02:58:13,640
All right, anything else, or is there a
motion to adjourn?

2727
02:58:13,640 --> 02:58:15,564
Um, actually, one more thing.

2728
02:58:15,564 --> 02:58:20,408
So our Southwest Regional Championship,
again for I believe the 5th year—

2729
02:58:20,408 --> 02:58:25,318
it's been 6 years, I think our Little
League has taken it for 5 of those 6

2730
02:58:25,318 --> 02:58:25,716
League has taken it for 5 of those 6
years—

2731
02:58:25,716 --> 02:58:30,692
but our U-12 team will be traveling to
Georgia August 6th through the 11th,

2732
02:58:30,692 --> 02:58:35,868
and the boys are excited because that
means they miss the first days of school

2733
02:58:35,868 --> 02:58:38,655
again, so they're really excited about it.

2734
02:58:38,655 --> 02:58:42,768
But they will be traveling, and we wish
them the best of luck.

2735
02:58:42,768 --> 02:58:44,560
You can watch them on ESPN.

2736
02:58:47,080 --> 02:58:47,320
All right.

2737
02:58:47,400 --> 02:58:47,960
Is there a motion?

2738
02:58:47,960 --> 02:58:51,600
Before we have a motion, I just want to
say, Mayor, about the election,

2739
02:58:51,600 --> 02:58:55,649
because I have a feeling I'm totally
blowing the curve tonight on the timeline,

2740
02:58:55,649 --> 02:58:57,341
right? I just want to say, Mayor,

2741
02:58:57,341 --> 02:59:01,493
I'm delighted that you and Commissioner
Carpenter and I got to spend quality time

2742
02:59:01,493 --> 02:59:04,210
together about 18 months ago in the fall
of the year,

2743
02:59:04,210 --> 02:59:06,261
as opposed to having to stand out there.

2744
02:59:06,261 --> 02:59:10,259
During time when I think some other
candidates may be spending, because I did—

2745
02:59:10,259 --> 02:59:14,053
I read today that the temperature reached
a feels like 115 degrees, Chief.

2746
02:59:14,053 --> 02:59:17,026
So I know that when we got to spend
quality time together,

2747
02:59:17,026 --> 02:59:20,768
it was more along the lines of 70-ish
every day, and that was much nicer.

2748
02:59:20,768 --> 02:59:23,280
So, and we still got sunburned, and we
still did.

2749
02:59:24,320 --> 02:59:25,120
Motion to adjourn.

2750
02:59:25,120 --> 02:59:31,040
Is there a second? All in favor of
adjournment signify by saying aye.

2751
02:59:32,400 --> 02:59:32,720
All opposed?

2752
02:59:33,440 --> 02:59:36,040
Motion passes unanimously. We are
adjourned.