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It is 5:03 PM on August 24th, 2026. We
have 5 commissioners.

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We have a quorum.

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I'm not starting off very well. We have
all 5 commissioners here. We have a

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all 5 commissioners here. We have a
quorum.

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Um, we will call to order the Board of
Commissioners regular work session agenda

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Commissioners regular work session agenda
for

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August 24th, 2026. Our first item on the
agenda is Pledge of Allegiance.

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Please join us in the pledge.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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United States of America and to the
republic

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for which it stands, one nation under God,
indivisible,

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with liberty and justice for all.

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The next item on the agenda is

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approval of the agenda.

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Is there a motion?

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Motion to approve.

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Second. Any discussion for the agenda?

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Uh, just one thing. The presentation for
the Buddy Cup Committee check,

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I believe we need to include the library
in that, if I'm not mistaken.

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Okay, so when we get to the item on the
agenda, that—

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because that will be for the voting
meeting for September,

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we can add it in then.

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Okay.

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Um, I'd like to make a motion to add a
discussion item to discuss the

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discussion item to discuss the
Tarver-Ringman

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annexation from the August voting meeting.

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Second.

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We have a motion and a second. This is
just for discussion purposes.

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We, we— this was on the agenda in the last
voting meeting.

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We had discussed it at the workshop but
did not have a motion or a second in the

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voting meeting, and so there was no
discussion during the voting meeting.

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So this is just to add some context and,
and discussion.

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Any Discussion on the amendment to the
agenda?

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All in favor of the amendment to the
agenda signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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All opposed? Motion passes unanimously.

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That takes us back to the main motion,
which is the agenda as amended.

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Any other amendments or discussion?

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All in favor of the agenda as amended
signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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All opposed? Motion passes unanimously.

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The next item on the agenda is approval of
the minutes for the work session

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for July 27th, 2026. Is there a motion?

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Motion to approve.

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Second.

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We have a motion and a second. Any
discussion for the minutes for July 27th?

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All in favor signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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All opposed? Motion passes unanimously.

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The next item on the agenda— actually,
before we get to citizens' comments,

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we have a very special birthday to
celebrate today.

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And so I hope you will all join me. We're
not going to sing.

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We're not going to sing, but today is—

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I can feel it.

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Well, free choice. You are all welcome to
sing,

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but I don't want to wait till the end of
the meeting to make sure that we recognize

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Vice Mayor Jessica Salamida on her 21st
birthday. Is that where we're at now?

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Something like that.

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Something like that.

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With a few years experience. So happy
birthday, Jessica.

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Happy birthday, Vice Mayor. Thank you.

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Okay, now we will get on to citizen
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So the first person for citizen comments
is John M. Tarver.

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Good afternoon. My name is John Mark
Tarver.

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Thank you for adding our item to the
discussion,

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but I wanted to go ahead and say that we
have presented the Ordinance 2614 and

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Resolution 26077 to annex and zone the
Ringman property on Kidd Road.

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And again, we appreciate you bringing it
back up for discussion.

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We know from the previous comments made
and from talking to staff that the board

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and from talking to staff that the board
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not support rezoning the property to CD-3,

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and we just want to learn more about what
the board would support or might support.

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We've looked at our site plan following
the last Board of Commissioners meeting,

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and we've talked with our engineers,

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and we want to consider other options for
this property based on your feedback.

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Thank you.

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And we hope that we can talk more about
the project and find a plan that works for

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everyone. Thanks.

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Thank you. Anyone else for citizen

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comments? All right.

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The next item on the agenda is our

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discussion. First is item A,

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allowing alternative waste systems in

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the UGB. As soon as I get connected

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there.

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That's my best friend.

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Well, that's my I'm going to try to share
my screen,

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but evidently I'm not getting the one that
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here. Let me try this and see if that does
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Oh, there we go. There we go.

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All right.

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Fantastic.

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So we've had discussion for a couple of
sessions now where we've talked about what

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is allowed in the urban growth boundary.

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What's not allowed in the Urban Growth
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And so I wanted to take it just a little
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done in the Urban Growth Boundary.

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And then with the idea that we prompt some
discussion among you all of is that

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something that is of interest of you all
to see done or not?

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Yes.

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The urban growth boundary is about a
little over 800 acres, about 862 acres.

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That's the area highlighted in blue on the
screen in there.

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And so looked at it from our perspective,
our perspective,

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if we annexed that whole area and it was
zoned CD-2L,

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and 2L is a half unit per acre.

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Yes.

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per acre. The maximum number of units in
that whole area could be 431.

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That's if you could use every acre for
construction.

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But the way that our zoning code is
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that's an impossibility to do because
you've got certain lot sizes,

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and then you also have to have roads and
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you have to have other infrastructure to
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put in there. And so just in looking at
all of that together, we said, okay, well,

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if roughly 60% of the property ends up
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then what's 60% of that particular set of
development?

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And then so it would end up being like 258
units, I believe.

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Yeah.

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258 units. But then if it was CD-2 at 1.1,
what's the maximum there?

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Uh, or what's the likely there? And that's
going to be about 500 and almost 570.

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If it were CD-3L and then also CD-3, of
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what would those numbers look like?

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And the reason why I put that out there is
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our urban growth boundaries is what is the
What's the level of development with

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regard to what is the potential for cost
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the cost of the services in having to deal
with that development?

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And I've not run an analysis on CD-2L or
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I've not run a fiscal analysis to say,
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will 258 homes pay for the services that
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down in that area and then our police in
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And we would obviously—

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we would no longer get any of the dollars
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So I just wanted you all to know what the
levels of development might be.

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Now, what this doesn't take into account
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is that if you all would think that some
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that property that fronts onto Nolensville
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you'd want to develop some commercial in
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Obviously that would change some of the
reasons, I guess, why to annex.

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But then I also wanted to show, okay,
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what could happen if we don't annex it?

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We have MGA is— MGA-1 is what is in the
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On the north side, and just kind of put
this in perspective.

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Let me go back to this screen.

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If you look right here where my cursor is
kind of sliding,

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you guys can't see my cursor. See if this
will light things up at all.

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All right, so right here. Is Sanford Road.

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Sanford comes down and then takes a hard
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And if you look at the, the counties,

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you can see Sanford Road obviously right
there. That's that same location.

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And so everything below Sanford Road is
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which is Rural Development 5 versus MGA-1.
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RD-5 is 1 unit for 5 acres.

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MGA-1 is 1 unit per acre in the county
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and they have different standards and what
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One of the things about RD-5 is it has—

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it can be developed in what's called a
conservation development,

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which means they can drop down. They don't
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The density is still only allowed at 1 per
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Right.

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But they can be dropped down to a minimum
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that the infrastructure is really
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contained, and then you have lots of green
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So if you've got 200 acres and you can
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so you get 40 homes is all that's allowed
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that 40 homes could be condensed into 20
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essentially 20-25 acres with the remaining
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And what I'll—

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with that, um, so you all are in the
driver's seat with regard to these

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driver's seat with regard to these
properties.

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Um, the, the city has the final say with
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any of the development in the UGB because
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operate Which is to defer.

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If it's in the UGB, the county is not
going to approve it unless the town says,

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we give you the authority.

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We have— we are denying annexation, and we
give you the authority, uh, county,

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to go ahead and approve something.

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Um, the city has, has the ability to
choose to annex it or choose not to annex

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choose to annex it or choose not to annex
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The town has the ability to not allow
development until it's in the town's best

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interest. So to, to wait on development
until the town wants to annex it and then

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allow it to develop under the town's
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Or you can choose to give that authority
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You can say you can develop it but only
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or you can say you can let it develop and
develop it under alternative wastewater

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systems. So the city is really in there.

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The town's really in the driver's seat
with what they choose to allow in these

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with what they choose to allow in these
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in, in these, uh, uh, UGB areas.

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When you say that, you mean specifically
for areas that Metro Sewer will not serve?

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Because if Metro Sewer will serve it,

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they will give a letter if capacity is
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regardless of whether we want it or not.

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That's correct. I am talking about
everything that is, uh,

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to the south of that yellow line across
the paper,

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because that is That's that dividing line
that we've been talking about.

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That's that ridgeline and is the boundary
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And Metro has confirmed with us that they
don't have territory beyond that line.

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They don't intend to ever want territory
beyond that line.

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And they would have to acquire it.

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None of the agreements, original
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go any farther south than that line.

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So—

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We're talking about, uh, the areas where
you all, you all control it.

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It's just in this blue area.

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But this is this relatively the same area
in which we already denied annexation for

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very reasonable reasons,

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both at the Planning Commission and at the
Board of Commission level, correct?

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That is correct. And all I want to do is
just There were questions about, well,

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what are the options? What are we— you
know, what do we have the authority to do?

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And I just wanted to kind of lay out what
that authority is and then show you the

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differences in what— the way it develops
and what could go out there, I guess.

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So when you say that we have already
denied annexation,

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are you referring to the This property
south?

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Correct.

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Okay, just to be clear for myself and for
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we didn't actually deny annexation.

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We discussed— I'm getting, I'm getting
there with that.

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So, um, because that carries certain
implications.

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Um, so this is— I'm probably mostly the
reason why this is on the agenda

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tonight. Some of my questioning at the
last meeting,

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I wanted to really understand what the
options were for the properties that lie

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south of where Metro will serve— service.

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Victor, can you tell me if a property
owner is in the UGB in one of these blue

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areas and chooses to develop according to
what the county allows without any

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rezone or anything like that,

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what action triggers us having to give
them permission?

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Because that's kind of how it reads here,
is that they— we have to allow that.

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So what triggers that?

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So the first thing that the county will
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if they approach the county for
development, the county would reach out to

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development, the county would reach out to
us.

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And say, uh, town, this group or this
property owner has asked to develop, uh,

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it falls within your UGB.

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If it is the town's desire to see this
property develop inside the town and

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according to town standards, uh, let us
know because otherwise we plan to— plan

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know because otherwise we plan to— plan
on—

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well, they plan on denying it unless we
give them specific authorization to move

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forward.

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Okay.

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So, okay.

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That's the way that Mike Mattson has told
me that he approaches properties in the

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UGB.

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So this almost sounds like more of a,

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like a policy guidance kind of thing for
future annexations, because if we have

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future annexations, because if we have
the—

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if we have the authority to approve or
deny annexations,

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it sounds like a property owner in these
blue areas The only way they could develop

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any kind of sewer is if we annex them into
Nolensville,

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or we deny annexation and they go through
the county.

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Well, you would have to deny annexation
and tell the county that you did not want

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and tell the county that you did not want
to

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annex them in the future, because you
could say, no, we don't want you to annex,

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or we, we don't annex you right now, It's
not in our best interest,

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but we do still plan on annexing you in
the future at some point in time when it

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the future at some point in time when it
is.

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So there's— it's kind of twofold here.

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Um, and you can deny the annexation and
hold off with the county, uh,

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until the county gets an approval that
says you—

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it's not your intent to annex further.

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So in In thinking of all of these theories
of what could be,

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if we are truly not ready to annex to this
level of a property,

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but we know that we will,

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the consequence of that could be what?

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If you think that you know that you will
at some point in

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time, then the consequence is that that
property does not—

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is not Well, I'll just say my concern
might be a moot point because I—

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my concern was that we have these
properties south of the service area for

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properties south of the service area for
Metro

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that are kind of being held hostage in a
sense where we are—

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I think that's a good point.

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Saying you can't— or that, you know, we're
not ready to annex you.

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This was my thought before I kind of heard
you speak today, is that, well,

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we're not ready to annex you and you can't
develop because we don't allow

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alternative sewer systems.

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When it sounds like the reality is that if
property owners in this area want to

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develop, they're going to have to go
through a process of—

276
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Right.

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of us telling them we don't want to annex
you and we're okay with—

278
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it's very convoluted.

279
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Well, um, yeah, you would have to say we
don't annex and we're—

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we give the county essentially the
authority to allow you to develop, uh,

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and we allow— we give the county authority
to allow you to develop with an

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alternative sewer system.

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Outside of that too,

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something to note which was a big
discussion in all of this was the services

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discussion in all of this was the services
that we

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are then providing and therefore the lack
of service time to this particular area.

287
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And so if these do start to become annexed
properties,

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that Firehouse Number 2 timeline
definitely changes.

289
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The amount of police officers that you are
hiring And the timeline for that changes.

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So sewer is, is a large part in how these
properties can develop and our thought

291
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process, but also the services that will
have to be provided to them and the cost

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have to be provided to them and the cost
of

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the residents.

294
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Sure.

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That will increase.

296
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Yeah, which is— which was my reasoning
for,

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for not supporting initial annexation. I
won't belabor this.

298
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I am curious though, so I think this was
addressed before,

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but for clarity, if prop—

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who responds currently to the development
across the street,

301
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the enclave? Like, who, who responds for
public safety to that area?

302
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Is that us or is that the county?

303
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If it is a fire, we will respond. Um, and
get the $250 per response charge.

304
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Sure.

305
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If it is police, then typically I think
the Sheriff's Department responds to that

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area. We might— we've had a lot of— I've
had a lot of conversation with Mr.

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Hoffer and, and then also with Allison
today on where we respond,

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how do we respond with regard to our
police department,

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and Lots of times it depends on the call.

310
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We may— if it's a, a true emergency, we
may respond, get started.

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When the county gets there, we give them
the scene and we come back home, or,

312
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or back them up if we need to, to help
them with regard to police services.

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We're responding to calls outside of our
jurisdiction, outside of mutual aid.

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If we're asked to under mutual aid.

315
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I'd have to assume it's based on severity
of the call.

316
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That is correct.

317
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Yeah, it seems a bit of a catch-22 because
if we don't develop it,

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we're still responding based on the
severity of the call.

319
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And if we do annex and allow development,
we're still responding more often.

320
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All of this is— I mean,

321
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I think my main point and the reason why I
wanted this on the agenda was just to

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kind of talk about that alternative sewer
thing.

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But it—

324
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I mean, it seems like that's the only
option past Metro's

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service area and that right now the only
real avenue is—

326
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Yeah.

327
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is for this board to either approve or
deny annexation.

328
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I mean, I, I don't know that there's a
policy that really has to be made and put

329
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forward regarding alternative sewer
systems until we have a property that

330
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systems until we have a property that
falls

331
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outside of Metro that we decide to annex
into the town.

332
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Okay.

333
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So I think that— I don't want to speak for
them, but I,

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I believe that the property that wanted
annexation withdrew because they knew if

335
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they got a negative vote, they couldn't
come back for a year.

336
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But I think they very much still want
consideration for annexation,

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and I'm judging that by the fact that they
continually come to our meetings and I

338
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think have continually reached out to us.

339
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So I imagine if It— I'm going to go out on
a limb and say they're willing to go

340
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through that process.

341
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So that if, if that's what we're waiting
for, uh,

342
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that'll probably happen pretty soon.

343
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Um, to me, one of the issues—

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so areas where we already serve in the
unincorporated Williamson County obviously

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unincorporated Williamson County obviously
is

346
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a hot topic for me because The citizens of
Nolensville pay a specific amount of

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property tax each year to help fund the
services that the town provides.

348
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Um, I always support mutual aid.

349
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I think it's challenging when we have
primary response outside of our

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primary response outside of our
jurisdiction,

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um, because why would you ever annex into
the town if you can get the services for

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free? Um, If you look at the particular
property that's in question now,

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because of the annexations from the
Williams Farm and the Vance-Like Farm,

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it's about half a mile as the crow flies
from one corner of it to the Jenkins

355
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property. I think it's about 1.1 miles
along Nolensville Road.

356
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Um, I, I guess the other part that is
different now that we've had the other

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annexations is response to St.

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Michael's Academy, which I would imagine—
why don't—

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I haven't ever asked the police department
how they respond to St.

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Michael's Academy or how often they may or
may not be going down there.

361
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But I do think it's a challenge if things
develop in our urban growth boundary and

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we are going to continually have to
service them.

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I've yet to figure out how Brentwood
manages not to do that because Brentwood

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manages not to do that because Brentwood
will

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not even service something that is a
stone's throw from their Their, um,

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border with the Split Log curve that is
quite possibly the worst curve in

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quite possibly the worst curve in
Williamson

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County. So I find it challenging for us to
allow alternative waste systems in the

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UGB because at that point any property
within this map that Victor has shown has

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within this map that Victor has shown has
no

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incentive to annex into the town if we're
continuing to provide them fire service

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And apparently will also provide police
service.

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00:25:01,199 --> 00:25:07,123
Um, that makes me think that it's in the
town's best interest to annex when we have

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a willing property owner.

375
00:25:08,908 --> 00:25:12,191
There's still the South Point Church
property,

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which is what connects to the Van Slyke
property,

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and then a couple of smaller parcels.

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Smaller parcels are always going to be
more challenging to potentially annex

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more challenging to potentially annex
under

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current annexation laws.

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And are far less likely to aggregate to
have enough acreage to—

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for future development.

383
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:37,813
I think the hole that we have within our
zoning ordinance is that we didn't really

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contemplate MGA-5 versus MGA-1 because
almost everything was in the MGA-1 zone.

385
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Um, and so the most—

386
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the least dense zone that we currently
have is 1.1 units per acre.

387
00:25:49,589 --> 00:25:49,717
Okay.

388
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:57,004
So I, I do have a concern with taking
something that is currently 1 unit per 5

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something that is currently 1 unit per 5
acres

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and upzoning it to 1.1 unit per acre.

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And perhaps a compromise in that is some—

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so we have the ability to add additional
zones in the zoning ordinance.

393
00:26:08,859 --> 00:26:14,710
And so perhaps, um, the zone that we took
out as part of the zoning Rewrite.

394
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:18,790
Brad, I don't know if you remember what
that one was,

395
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but there was one that was like 2 units
per acre.

396
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That's all still in there.

397
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2 units per acre is still in there?

398
00:26:27,768 --> 00:26:30,635
No, it's 1 unit per 2 acres is CD-2L,

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and nothing has been changed or proposed
to be changed with CD-2L.

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And so maybe that is some sort of a
compromise If again we still have

401
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to service it for public safety.

402
00:26:45,002 --> 00:26:50,773
I don't think Franklin goes outside of
their boundaries either,

403
00:26:50,773 --> 00:26:54,895
so like, I'm— yeah, anyways, that, that's
my—

404
00:26:54,895 --> 00:26:59,900
I don't think— I don't think they do, and
I agree with you with Brentwood,

405
00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:05,378
but they are looking at far larger fire
department and police departments than we

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department and police departments than we
in

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Nolensville. And so we aid, we, we give
aid, we get aid.

408
00:27:09,301 --> 00:27:14,779
In a lot of our calls that go back and
forth with our fire and police department,

409
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fire mainly. I know police get support as
well, but fire mainly.

410
00:27:19,108 --> 00:27:21,610
So I, I do not disagree with you, um,

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in what you've said about the potential of
annexing.

412
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To me, this is too far away still, but I,
I hear what you're saying.

413
00:27:29,727 --> 00:27:35,205
My biggest concern is that there will need
to be bigger conversation while we aid

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them right now. You may get a call.

415
00:27:37,572 --> 00:27:42,442
If you are putting in a neighborhood, you
will get far more call volume,

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which means that you will have to look at
the firehouse number 2 and fire station—

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fire station, firehouse—

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00:27:49,611 --> 00:27:54,548
and additional apparatus as well as
employees if this comes online sooner

419
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employees if this comes online sooner
rather

420
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than later.

421
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Um, I realize that this is on the fly, but
do we have any ballpark number of what—

422
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I mean, we— there's several communities in
the neighborhood, myself as, you know,

423
00:28:10,169 --> 00:28:14,341
being one of them. How often per day, per
week,

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are fire and police being called to
specific neighborhoods?

425
00:28:19,579 --> 00:28:23,486
Um, do you— how many, how many calls?

426
00:28:23,486 --> 00:28:29,823
And I know we've had 180 calls roughly in
the last 6 months.

427
00:28:29,823 --> 00:28:32,674
That were outside the town?

428
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:34,503
Correct.

429
00:28:34,795 --> 00:28:35,054
How many—

430
00:28:35,054 --> 00:28:36,802
do you know how many we've had inside the
town?

431
00:28:36,802 --> 00:28:41,999
Inside the town?

432
00:28:44,999 --> 00:28:48,201
So I can— I was working on some of that
data today.

433
00:28:48,201 --> 00:28:53,287
Um, where I saved it at, I don't know,
because I wasn't planning on that tonight.

434
00:28:53,287 --> 00:28:58,310
Um, it was— we're at 904, I believe, is
what the monthly report Says, I believe,

435
00:28:58,310 --> 00:29:00,382
that I sent— is that what it was?

436
00:29:00,382 --> 00:29:05,280
I believe now there's been a few more
since I did that data. So 904 minus 180.

437
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,744
So the, the calendar year, right?

438
00:29:07,744 --> 00:29:08,549
For this calendar year.

439
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:13,589
So just call it 900, 700, 720 calls has
been in the town.

440
00:29:13,589 --> 00:29:15,368
Okay.

441
00:29:15,432 --> 00:29:18,453
Welcome to your first meeting, Interim
Chief. We're glad you're here.

442
00:29:18,453 --> 00:29:19,674
It's all good.

443
00:29:19,674 --> 00:29:24,171
Keeping you on your toes. So, okay, so
that's rough.

444
00:29:24,171 --> 00:29:28,408
Okay, I'm not going to try to do math on
the fly.

445
00:29:28,408 --> 00:29:35,586
Um, okay, well, I guess what I'm thinking
and processing through here is I actually

446
00:29:35,586 --> 00:29:38,785
agree a lot with what the mayor said.

447
00:29:38,785 --> 00:29:45,704
I don't, I don't think that we should
necessarily give up the property or any of

448
00:29:45,704 --> 00:29:52,449
those properties to the county Unless
there's this very specific special issue

449
00:29:52,449 --> 00:29:52,795
there's this very specific special issue
like

450
00:29:52,795 --> 00:29:57,291
she kind of mentioned with some of the
smaller ones.

451
00:29:57,291 --> 00:30:01,961
But, and we have moved past the point of
annexing the,

452
00:30:01,961 --> 00:30:07,150
the 2 properties that take us further down
Nolensville Road.

453
00:30:07,150 --> 00:30:14,241
Um, I have some concerns about the fact
that with some of these annexations we can

454
00:30:14,241 --> 00:30:21,332
say, well, we're annexing this property
but nothing's going to happen for a couple

455
00:30:21,332 --> 00:30:28,077
years because of Metro, you know, not
being able to expand sewer quick enough,

456
00:30:28,077 --> 00:30:28,423
being able to expand sewer quick enough,
and—

457
00:30:28,423 --> 00:30:32,401
but these properties can develop without
that.

458
00:30:32,401 --> 00:30:39,665
But I also feel like it's almost probably
close to a wash when you look at the calls

459
00:30:39,665 --> 00:30:46,151
that we already would have to make out
there if it were to develop into the

460
00:30:46,151 --> 00:30:46,756
there if it were to develop into the
county.

461
00:30:46,756 --> 00:30:51,166
So I guess all that to say, I agree with
the mayor.

462
00:30:51,166 --> 00:30:57,393
I see value in this conversation that
we're having regarding any willing

463
00:30:57,393 --> 00:30:58,085
we're having regarding any willing
property

464
00:30:58,085 --> 00:31:03,100
owner that comes forward with these kind
of conversations.

465
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:09,413
Am I right in understanding that it's
about— is that like 0.8 miles from—

466
00:31:09,413 --> 00:31:10,077
0.8 miles.

467
00:31:11,143 --> 00:31:16,386
I guess it's about— Victor, that 1.3 miles
on the, the image, is that from—

468
00:31:16,386 --> 00:31:20,290
That's actually from the yellow line.
Okay, the original line.

469
00:31:20,290 --> 00:31:23,375
And you can add— I don't, I don't know,
it's, uh,

470
00:31:23,375 --> 00:31:28,412
probably another tenth of a mile or so on
up to our closest point of annexation.

471
00:31:28,412 --> 00:31:29,346
Okay.

472
00:31:29,346 --> 00:31:34,933
Are we able to share that really great
work that Chief Weingart did, um,

473
00:31:34,933 --> 00:31:40,133
sharing the calls that we have in
unincorporated Williamson County,

474
00:31:40,133 --> 00:31:45,021
because you can see all the calls for the
enclave at Dove Lake.

475
00:31:45,021 --> 00:31:51,307
Also, I don't know if that's appropriate
to share just because it does give dots,

476
00:31:51,307 --> 00:31:56,894
but you can see the call responses for the
enclave in Dove Lake in that.

477
00:31:56,894 --> 00:32:02,327
And so it kind of gives you a feel for
what a neighborhood— And again,

478
00:32:02,327 --> 00:32:08,845
we're already going, we are already going
to that neighborhood. fairly consistently.

479
00:32:08,845 --> 00:32:11,362
I feel like we're headed— I mean,

480
00:32:11,362 --> 00:32:16,092
we don't know when because the board will
have to decide this,

481
00:32:16,092 --> 00:32:21,661
but I'm not terribly concerned about that
Firehouse 2 argument because I,

482
00:32:21,661 --> 00:32:27,459
I think there's going to have to be
multiple properties developing for us to

483
00:32:27,459 --> 00:32:27,917
multiple properties developing for us to
really

484
00:32:27,917 --> 00:32:33,638
be pushed to that. And I think that we
understand that's several years away

485
00:32:33,638 --> 00:32:34,172
understand that's several years away
because

486
00:32:34,172 --> 00:32:38,139
we're going to have to get the police
station going.

487
00:32:38,139 --> 00:32:42,335
And then as far as like the, the pressure
to get there,

488
00:32:42,335 --> 00:32:44,852
it's not a major concern of mine.

489
00:32:44,852 --> 00:32:49,624
I mean, I do still feel concern and
pressure for, um, Fire Station 2.

490
00:32:49,624 --> 00:32:55,157
I, I think that's why I've been asking
some of the questions about understanding

491
00:32:55,157 --> 00:32:59,653
response time both within town limits and
outside of town limits.

492
00:32:59,653 --> 00:33:04,010
Because I, I do think we want to maintain
a certain ISO rating,

493
00:33:04,010 --> 00:33:09,682
and we all agreed to that when we signed
that interlocal agreement with Williamson

494
00:33:09,682 --> 00:33:14,938
County. So I, I know it's on the horizon,
and it will come very quickly, um,

495
00:33:14,938 --> 00:33:16,667
after the police station.

496
00:33:16,667 --> 00:33:24,543
I didn't say that quite PC. I apologize.
I, I support the fire station.

497
00:33:24,543 --> 00:33:29,247
Yeah, I've I think we need to reconsider
the Jenkins Farm.

498
00:33:29,247 --> 00:33:35,897
I mean, I, I think that we need to either
take all these properties out of our UGB

499
00:33:35,897 --> 00:33:42,547
but understand that they very well may end
up developing in neighborhoods like the

500
00:33:42,547 --> 00:33:44,574
Enclave in Dove Lake, um,

501
00:33:44,574 --> 00:33:50,981
or I think we need to consider annexing it
for a less intensive use than what I

502
00:33:50,981 --> 00:33:57,550
think was originally proposed, but perhaps
more intensive than 1 unit per 5-acre.

503
00:33:57,550 --> 00:34:01,248
I would support that.

504
00:34:01,248 --> 00:34:09,235
Commissioner Gill or Commissioner
Strupert, do you have any comments?

505
00:34:09,235 --> 00:34:15,862
I do appreciate the concept of annexation
to continue to build our tax base because

506
00:34:15,862 --> 00:34:20,652
that's really what's going to serve us
ultimately as a town.

507
00:34:20,652 --> 00:34:26,880
I'm not sure at this point in time looking
at the map with streams and a major

508
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:33,347
electrical line running through some of
those properties that you're going to get

509
00:34:33,347 --> 00:34:33,427
those properties that you're going to get
a

510
00:34:33,427 --> 00:34:38,377
sizable tax base to really offset running
services down there.

511
00:34:38,377 --> 00:34:40,133
With that said though,

512
00:34:40,133 --> 00:34:46,281
I do see there is benefit to bringing it
into the town at some point in time.

513
00:34:46,281 --> 00:34:48,836
Is the time right? I'm not sure.

514
00:34:48,836 --> 00:34:54,425
I don't feel comfortable with it right
now, but those are my thoughts.

515
00:34:54,425 --> 00:34:59,259
I will echo Commissioner Streufert's
comment that I think that the next step

516
00:34:59,259 --> 00:34:59,640
comment that I think that the next step
for us

517
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,057
would be to working toward annexation,

518
00:35:02,057 --> 00:35:06,700
but looking at it in the holistic reality
of those particular properties,

519
00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:11,534
it may not be as developed as would
otherwise be because of the restrictions

520
00:35:11,534 --> 00:35:11,979
otherwise be because of the restrictions
already

521
00:35:11,979 --> 00:35:15,286
there and the inherent— with just what he
just said,

522
00:35:15,286 --> 00:35:17,894
all the things that are going on with it,

523
00:35:17,894 --> 00:35:22,601
it's not going to be able to develop as
much as maybe other parcels in our

524
00:35:22,601 --> 00:35:27,244
community. However, we are already
providing significant services to that

525
00:35:27,244 --> 00:35:27,625
providing significant services to that
region

526
00:35:27,625 --> 00:35:32,713
anyway, and at some point it would be
better for us to be able to expand our tax

527
00:35:32,713 --> 00:35:34,494
base to compensate for that.

528
00:35:34,494 --> 00:35:38,819
And I will offer a ditto to the birthday
commissioner up here today.

529
00:35:38,819 --> 00:35:43,844
I think it's wise— there's wisdom to be
found in what she said about the sooner

530
00:35:43,844 --> 00:35:44,098
found in what she said about the sooner
that

531
00:35:44,098 --> 00:35:48,995
gets developed, the sooner we're going to
have to move forward with providing

532
00:35:48,995 --> 00:35:53,829
additional services in the form of, for
example, an additional fire station.

533
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:58,599
And that's already on our horizon. It's
already on our agenda. We know it's

534
00:35:58,599 --> 00:35:59,044
already on our agenda. We know it's
coming.

535
00:35:59,044 --> 00:36:04,005
But it will accelerate whenever we add
more specific properties into the town.

536
00:36:04,005 --> 00:36:08,458
And we might as well have a tax base that
can support it if So Victor,

537
00:36:08,458 --> 00:36:11,892
this discussion item, what are you looking
at from us?

538
00:36:12,565 --> 00:36:15,049
What do you need from us for this
particular discussion?

539
00:36:15,049 --> 00:36:19,045
Um, I don't know that I necessarily need,
need anything.

540
00:36:19,045 --> 00:36:24,896
I'm just trying to provide you all as much
information as possible so that you all

541
00:36:24,896 --> 00:36:27,537
can, can determine a direction to go.

542
00:36:27,537 --> 00:36:30,534
We do know that we, we have property that,

543
00:36:30,534 --> 00:36:35,457
that's out there and there Their
annexation is kind of hanging in the

544
00:36:35,457 --> 00:36:36,028
annexation is kind of hanging in the
balance.

545
00:36:36,028 --> 00:36:37,955
It has not been dealt with.

546
00:36:37,955 --> 00:36:43,806
And so it's ultimately trying to just get
direction from you all on what you would

547
00:36:43,806 --> 00:36:48,373
want to see there. Do you want us to
ultimately bring that back,

548
00:36:48,373 --> 00:36:52,298
put it on the agenda, and bring it through
the process?

549
00:36:52,298 --> 00:36:56,936
Do you all want to have more discussion on
this particular issue?

550
00:36:56,936 --> 00:37:02,288
Is there some additional financial
analysis that that you would like us to,

551
00:37:02,288 --> 00:37:04,286
to try to develop over this.

552
00:37:04,286 --> 00:37:09,638
Um, as, as I look at these areas, one of
the things that, that I would say,

553
00:37:09,638 --> 00:37:13,848
as you're— as we're going through our
zoning ordinance, um,

554
00:37:13,848 --> 00:37:19,343
having been on a property such as, uh, I'm
going to say it, the Jenkins Farm,

555
00:37:19,343 --> 00:37:22,340
where you've got that large acreage there,

556
00:37:22,340 --> 00:37:26,978
to me it does make sense if you're going
to to have a density of—

557
00:37:26,978 --> 00:37:32,259
we'll just say our least dense, which is
CD-2L, uh, half unit per acre or,

558
00:37:32,259 --> 00:37:34,613
or 1 unit per 2 acres. All right.

559
00:37:34,613 --> 00:37:39,109
So that is— that's what, 300 and— what is
it, almost 400 acres?

560
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:40,152
300.

561
00:37:40,152 --> 00:37:42,518
3— almost 300 acres. All right.

562
00:37:42,518 --> 00:37:47,935
So on growth side at that, you're looking
at 150 homes on the max side.

563
00:37:47,935 --> 00:37:53,735
But we know that you can't get 150 on
there and with all roads and sewer and

564
00:37:53,735 --> 00:37:54,116
there and with all roads and sewer and
stuff

565
00:37:54,116 --> 00:37:57,474
like that unless you allow a compact
design.

566
00:37:57,474 --> 00:38:03,883
And only if within the zoning ordinance we
allow some flexibility of those standards

567
00:38:03,883 --> 00:38:08,004
so that you can actually develop a compact
design, um,

568
00:38:08,004 --> 00:38:13,727
would that then make sense for us, mostly
just because You're going to, uh,

569
00:38:13,727 --> 00:38:19,374
you're going to have lots of roads that
you are going to have to maintain.

570
00:38:19,374 --> 00:38:25,555
And when you're saying— when you, you look
at that much acreage, that much roads,

571
00:38:25,555 --> 00:38:31,583
for the amount of state street aid dollars
that you get to replace those roads,

572
00:38:31,583 --> 00:38:37,459
you need those roads to be few versus
winding throughout the entire property.

573
00:38:37,459 --> 00:38:39,061
Does that make sense?

574
00:38:39,061 --> 00:38:43,023
Yes. Yeah, I guess my question would be,

575
00:38:43,023 --> 00:38:47,777
if that's an approach to take in this
situation,

576
00:38:47,777 --> 00:38:54,314
you're not going to put one house on a
little over an acre because

577
00:38:54,314 --> 00:39:00,752
you're going to create density by creating
this workaround to say

578
00:39:00,752 --> 00:39:05,803
you've got all this conservation area, X,
Y, and Z.

579
00:39:05,803 --> 00:39:06,046
Right.

580
00:39:07,765 --> 00:39:13,054
But now you've got massive houses that are
50 feet away from each other.

581
00:39:13,054 --> 00:39:16,580
And just looking at it just realistically
there,

582
00:39:16,580 --> 00:39:19,738
you're going to create a conservation
zone,

583
00:39:19,738 --> 00:39:25,027
but you're just going to create the
density by forcing homes to be built

584
00:39:25,027 --> 00:39:25,468
density by forcing homes to be built
closer

585
00:39:25,468 --> 00:39:31,197
together in whatever you're going to
develop. I'm not sure that's a trade-off.

586
00:39:31,197 --> 00:39:31,344
develop. I'm not sure that's a trade-off.
I—

587
00:39:32,349 --> 00:39:39,673
The more I think about this, the more I'm
open— more open to annexation.

588
00:39:39,673 --> 00:39:44,352
I would like to base my decision more in
data.

589
00:39:44,352 --> 00:39:51,879
And I think what I would like to know is
hypothetical development goes in,

590
00:39:51,879 --> 00:39:58,999
what does it cost for all of the services
that we will have to render?

591
00:39:58,999 --> 00:40:06,628
And would, would our current property tax
rate applied to the hypothetical—

592
00:40:06,628 --> 00:40:10,392
I realize it's all hypothetical, but—

593
00:40:10,392 --> 00:40:10,635
Actually—

594
00:40:10,635 --> 00:40:15,079
Would it be enough to generate— because
I'll finish.

595
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:17,814
This is the most important part.

596
00:40:17,814 --> 00:40:24,908
I'm pretty, I'm pretty nervous about this
next legislative session and what's going

597
00:40:24,908 --> 00:40:28,840
to come out. come through with property
taxes.

598
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,088
Because if our hands are tied, I mean,

599
00:40:32,088 --> 00:40:38,498
it's going to be really challenging to
meet the needs that we have already.

600
00:40:38,498 --> 00:40:43,712
And so if I could get information that
says current tax rate,

601
00:40:43,712 --> 00:40:50,036
what could be generated from this property
is enough for it to be neutral,

602
00:40:50,036 --> 00:40:56,105
then that would go a long way to
convincing me You mentioned the fiscal

603
00:40:56,105 --> 00:40:56,874
convincing me You mentioned the fiscal
analysis.

604
00:40:57,082 --> 00:41:00,798
I think, uh, I worked with the property
owners and a, uh,

605
00:41:00,798 --> 00:41:05,883
someone that was looking at the property
at one time to try to get it annexed,

606
00:41:05,883 --> 00:41:09,338
and I think I did actually a fiscal
analysis on that.

607
00:41:09,338 --> 00:41:13,249
Uh, I will see if I can pull that up and
provide to you all.

608
00:41:13,249 --> 00:41:18,047
You did. I would like you to revisit it
though, because it was, it was a while

609
00:41:18,047 --> 00:41:18,293
though, because it was, it was a while
ago,

610
00:41:18,293 --> 00:41:23,091
and I don't believe I remember it taking
into consideration like the above and

611
00:41:23,091 --> 00:41:27,643
beyond that we would have to— like the
financial cost of hiring additional

612
00:41:27,643 --> 00:41:28,197
financial cost of hiring additional
officers.

613
00:41:28,197 --> 00:41:31,765
And maybe it did, but if you could just
revisit it before—

614
00:41:31,765 --> 00:41:32,607
Oh, absolutely.

615
00:41:32,607 --> 00:41:35,829
I think it had service of use but not
additional,

616
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:41,090
because that was going to be my question,
is if you are servicing this area, um,

617
00:41:41,090 --> 00:41:44,510
not fire but police, and you're servicing
this area,

618
00:41:44,510 --> 00:41:48,390
we know that they drive through
neighborhoods on the daily,

619
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:52,664
that they are active with calls that they—
this, at least for me,

620
00:41:52,664 --> 00:41:57,662
and in talking to the department, this
really adds an additional officer per

621
00:41:57,662 --> 00:41:58,057
really adds an additional officer per
shift.

622
00:41:58,057 --> 00:42:00,095
This is their, their placement.

623
00:42:00,095 --> 00:42:05,159
And my assumption is, as you start this
and people— right, you want to annex,

624
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:07,197
and now there's a school there,

625
00:42:07,197 --> 00:42:11,275
and their children are going to want to
cross the road safely,

626
00:42:11,275 --> 00:42:15,286
to all the things we have experienced in
other parts of town.

627
00:42:15,286 --> 00:42:15,399
Yes.

628
00:42:15,702 --> 00:42:22,021
If you annex this and this becomes what we
have seen with Rocky Fork and Sunset,

629
00:42:22,021 --> 00:42:27,708
um, you will experience that here, and
that's not going to happen with 3

630
00:42:27,708 --> 00:42:28,419
that's not going to happen with 3
officers.

631
00:42:28,419 --> 00:42:30,183
Okay, I appreciate all that,

632
00:42:30,183 --> 00:42:34,340
but those same arguments would apply to
the Van Slyke and Williams

633
00:42:34,340 --> 00:42:37,993
properties. I mean, that, that— I don't
disagree with you.

634
00:42:38,073 --> 00:42:43,134
I think that there are hires that have to
be made and decisions that are going to

635
00:42:43,134 --> 00:42:46,507
have to be made this year where we know we
are behind.

636
00:42:46,507 --> 00:42:50,319
And with 600 acres, roughly a little over,
and this property,

637
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:53,380
there will be some very big decisions to
be made.

638
00:42:53,380 --> 00:42:56,059
Okay, any other discussion for this?

639
00:42:56,059 --> 00:43:00,970
I, I do not support allowing alternative
waste systems in the UGB.

640
00:43:00,970 --> 00:43:07,220
I think if there's going to be development
in the UGB, it should be within the town.

641
00:43:07,220 --> 00:43:10,196
Is my position on this particular topic.

642
00:43:10,196 --> 00:43:15,182
If other people want to allow alternative
waste systems in the UGB,

643
00:43:15,182 --> 00:43:18,009
I do think Victor needs that feedback.

644
00:43:18,009 --> 00:43:24,362
I think, again, it's a moot point because
we— even if we said, you know,

645
00:43:24,362 --> 00:43:30,980
we will allow it, it's more complex than
that because we would have to deny

646
00:43:30,980 --> 00:43:33,627
annexation and grant approval.

647
00:43:33,627 --> 00:43:39,363
And so for those reasons, I don't think
it's worth Thank you all.

648
00:43:39,444 --> 00:43:40,305
Appreciate the discussion.

649
00:43:40,305 --> 00:43:44,823
Okay, our next discussion is the
pedestrian bridge and signal update from,

650
00:43:44,823 --> 00:43:45,006
pedestrian bridge and signal update from,
um,

651
00:43:45,006 --> 00:43:46,899
Assistant Town Manager Downham.

652
00:43:46,899 --> 00:43:51,605
This is probably going to be a little bit
of a tag team between Mr.

653
00:43:51,605 --> 00:43:53,994
Lay and our town engineer as well.

654
00:43:53,994 --> 00:43:59,543
Where we left it The last time we had a
discussion with you all is that we were

655
00:43:59,543 --> 00:44:04,249
going to try to seek proposals and input
from consultant engineers,

656
00:44:04,249 --> 00:44:08,323
as well as take stock of equipment that we
currently have.

657
00:44:08,323 --> 00:44:12,187
We know from kind of an eyeball inventory
of equipment,

658
00:44:12,187 --> 00:44:17,666
as well as anticipated equipment that
we'll be gaining with some other traffic

659
00:44:17,666 --> 00:44:19,352
signal projects in town,

660
00:44:19,352 --> 00:44:25,252
that we may be able to part and piece this
thing together so that we can upgrade the

661
00:44:25,252 --> 00:44:28,624
existing signal system at the elementary
school.

662
00:44:28,624 --> 00:44:28,849
Yes.

663
00:44:29,206 --> 00:44:31,746
To be a full functioning traffic signal.

664
00:44:31,746 --> 00:44:36,698
But we will need to get input from our
signal contractors to make sure that we

665
00:44:36,698 --> 00:44:36,952
signal contractors to make sure that we
have

666
00:44:36,952 --> 00:44:39,238
all the parts and pieces to do that.

667
00:44:39,238 --> 00:44:42,857
Obviously, things like mast arms, signal
heads, cabinets,

668
00:44:42,857 --> 00:44:45,143
controllers all require a long lead,

669
00:44:45,143 --> 00:44:50,286
not to mention the volatility that we're
seeing in some parts of our market right

670
00:44:50,286 --> 00:44:55,175
now because of tariffs and other things in
terms of cost escalation. So just—

671
00:44:55,175 --> 00:44:55,351
Yes.

672
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,426
A lot of things to consider.

673
00:44:57,426 --> 00:45:01,958
We also are looking at the pedestrian
signal at the park and, again,

674
00:45:01,958 --> 00:45:06,956
looking at opportunities where we can do
some cost savings measures, again,

675
00:45:06,956 --> 00:45:11,888
taking advantage of existing equipment
that we may have on hand from other

676
00:45:11,888 --> 00:45:12,421
that we may have on hand from other
projects

677
00:45:12,421 --> 00:45:15,354
that we can kind of pull together with
this.

678
00:45:15,354 --> 00:45:20,752
However, we know that there's going to be
engineering that's going to be required

679
00:45:20,752 --> 00:45:21,352
for this.

680
00:45:21,352 --> 00:45:21,548
Yes.

681
00:45:22,117 --> 00:45:27,050
We don't have existing walkways from the
trail system on Sunset to the edge of

682
00:45:27,050 --> 00:45:28,504
pavement on the street.

683
00:45:28,504 --> 00:45:33,058
We've also got a sidewalk or walkway
segment that we're going to have to

684
00:45:33,058 --> 00:45:33,690
segment that we're going to have to
construct,

685
00:45:33,690 --> 00:45:38,180
including some engineering analysis
because of the topography involved,

686
00:45:38,180 --> 00:45:43,302
to get that sidewalk basically from the
edge of pavement around to the park entry

687
00:45:43,302 --> 00:45:45,832
walkway that we have along the driveway.

688
00:45:45,832 --> 00:45:47,181
Okay.

689
00:45:48,044 --> 00:45:50,848
Again, depending on the amount of work
that we need,

690
00:45:50,848 --> 00:45:55,107
you may have land surveying work that's
going to be required from a topographic

691
00:45:55,107 --> 00:45:58,558
analysis standpoint and then the actual
engineering work itself.

692
00:45:58,558 --> 00:46:03,033
We're continuing to put numbers together
as well as input to try to figure out what

693
00:46:03,033 --> 00:46:05,729
we can do to, number one, save money for
the town,

694
00:46:05,729 --> 00:46:08,587
to take advantage of existing equipment
where we can,

695
00:46:08,587 --> 00:46:11,984
but also to identify where we are going to
have to spend money,

696
00:46:11,984 --> 00:46:14,464
whether that's in engineering and survey
work.

697
00:46:14,464 --> 00:46:14,625
Yes.

698
00:46:15,228 --> 00:46:19,579
As well as any equipment that we don't
have currently on hand that we may have to

699
00:46:19,579 --> 00:46:23,931
purchase, uh, or find other means to try
to get that equipment in order to make a

700
00:46:23,931 --> 00:46:25,918
full installation for the PET signal.

701
00:46:25,918 --> 00:46:30,055
Uh, we know that some of the equipment can
be moved from one site to another.

702
00:46:30,055 --> 00:46:32,902
Uh, not sure if all of it can be moved at
that point.

703
00:46:32,902 --> 00:46:37,254
Rely a little bit more on Victor and Enoch
to see if they have anything else that

704
00:46:37,254 --> 00:46:38,704
they wanted to add to that.

705
00:46:38,704 --> 00:46:41,396
Only thing that I would just add to it is,

706
00:46:41,396 --> 00:46:45,947
Because of all the other construction
projects going around town, i.e.,

707
00:46:45,947 --> 00:46:49,088
at York Road and Nolensville Road, um, we
have a,

708
00:46:49,088 --> 00:46:54,281
a essentially a brand new controller that
we put in after a lightning strike that

709
00:46:54,281 --> 00:46:58,383
will be pulled out. Will it be ours? Be
sitting in our reserves.

710
00:46:58,383 --> 00:47:02,870
So we have things, some of those things
that do take a long lead time,

711
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:06,460
we will actually own that could be
repurposed elsewhere.

712
00:47:06,460 --> 00:47:11,139
Um, we have Uh, at the Summerlin
intersection, uh, when that intersection

713
00:47:11,139 --> 00:47:11,332
intersection, uh, when that intersection
is—

714
00:47:11,332 --> 00:47:14,024
or when the, um, the Kroger side develops,

715
00:47:14,024 --> 00:47:17,870
that's actually going to replace all of
those poles on that.

716
00:47:17,870 --> 00:47:23,190
So we'll have all of that infrastructure
as well, including the controller from it.

717
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:28,190
So we're going to have these pieces that
we think that we can put together and

718
00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:28,511
we think that we can put together and
place

719
00:47:28,511 --> 00:47:31,716
in other things. We'll be putting together
an RFP.

720
00:47:31,716 --> 00:47:36,459
It's going to be one that's going to be a
little bit unusual because it's—

721
00:47:36,459 --> 00:47:41,652
we're going to be asking a couple of the
signal companies to come in and evaluate

722
00:47:41,652 --> 00:47:46,972
our equipment that we have and then give
us a proposal for essentially reinstalling

723
00:47:46,972 --> 00:47:52,357
that equipment. What's that going to cost
since we don't have a contract per se with

724
00:47:52,357 --> 00:47:54,087
any particular one of them?

725
00:47:54,087 --> 00:47:59,151
Ultimately, when we Uh, get ready to do
that, we'll be back to you all and say,

726
00:47:59,151 --> 00:48:02,228
okay, here's our RFP, here's what we want
to go.

727
00:48:02,228 --> 00:48:07,164
We think that we'll be able to have
something in hand to show you at the next

728
00:48:07,164 --> 00:48:07,420
something in hand to show you at the next
work

729
00:48:07,420 --> 00:48:10,882
session, so you'll all be able to take a
look at that.

730
00:48:10,882 --> 00:48:15,946
That won't be the bid, that'll just be
our, our stuff ready to go to bid on it.

731
00:48:15,946 --> 00:48:18,574
But, um, we have opportunity to, I think,

732
00:48:18,574 --> 00:48:23,574
repurpose a lot of equipment and save
ourselves a lot of time in the long run.

733
00:48:23,574 --> 00:48:23,910
Thank you.

734
00:48:26,910 --> 00:48:27,825
I like the creativity.

735
00:48:27,825 --> 00:48:31,342
Try to be when we can.

736
00:48:31,342 --> 00:48:37,300
Any questions or discussion for the
pedestrian bridge and signal update?

737
00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:41,264
Thank you, ma'am.

738
00:48:41,264 --> 00:48:46,367
All right, the next item is no parking or
standing at Sugar Mill and Burrus Drive,

739
00:48:46,367 --> 00:48:51,221
which is for Town Engineer Jarrell and
Jonathan Weaver from the Sherwood Green

740
00:48:51,221 --> 00:48:55,204
Estates HOA, who I see is not here, but
maybe Enoch can help us.

741
00:48:55,204 --> 00:49:00,314
Yeah, met with Jonathan a time or two and
walked the site with him.

742
00:49:00,314 --> 00:49:03,975
Knowles Elementary on Rocky Fork, they
have, uh,

743
00:49:03,975 --> 00:49:09,237
people that are parking on Sugar Mill and
the intersection of Burris,

744
00:49:09,237 --> 00:49:13,127
walking even over to the school, leaving
their car,

745
00:49:13,127 --> 00:49:17,093
coming back to pick their kids up to the
crosswalks.

746
00:49:17,093 --> 00:49:20,372
And it's just creating some traffic
issues.

747
00:49:20,372 --> 00:49:25,558
So their HOA has requested that we put a
no parking or standing, uh,

748
00:49:25,558 --> 00:49:31,965
and I know Chuck's— we may have to do some
update to our ordinance because according

749
00:49:31,965 --> 00:49:37,075
to Mr. Hoffer here, if you're sitting in
your car, you're standing,

750
00:49:37,075 --> 00:49:38,753
you're not in traffic.

751
00:49:38,753 --> 00:49:44,473
So we, we have, you know, similar things
at, um, Telfair and at Aiden Rose.

752
00:49:44,473 --> 00:49:50,574
Um, for the Sunset schools, and then even
on, um, Bradfield for the high school,

753
00:49:50,574 --> 00:49:56,828
similar signs. And their request is 9:30
to— or 7:30 to 9:30 AM, and I think it's,

754
00:49:56,828 --> 00:50:01,099
uh, what, 2:30 to 4:30 on PM for no
parking or standing.

755
00:50:01,099 --> 00:50:05,200
Mayor, also just to state, my address is
3201 Burrus Drive.

756
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,938
I live in Sherwood Green,

757
00:50:06,938 --> 00:50:12,568
and I have spoken with Charles There is no
benefit to me financially for signage.

758
00:50:12,568 --> 00:50:17,707
So you're saying it's not a conflict of
interest because there's no financial

759
00:50:17,707 --> 00:50:19,442
benefit to you personally?

760
00:50:19,442 --> 00:50:23,255
I, uh, support a no parking sign.

761
00:50:23,255 --> 00:50:27,762
I, I find the no standing sign a little

762
00:50:27,762 --> 00:50:28,686
strange.

763
00:50:28,686 --> 00:50:32,013
If you're standing on the sidewalk, that's
fine, right?

764
00:50:32,013 --> 00:50:36,488
But if you're sitting in your car and
Michael may be able to jump in here.

765
00:50:36,488 --> 00:50:39,573
It's considered you're not— you're
standing, right?

766
00:50:39,717 --> 00:50:42,674
If you're sitting in your car, it's not
literally standing. It's the—

767
00:50:42,754 --> 00:50:45,534
if you're sitting in your car parked on
the street, you're standing, not parking.

768
00:50:45,534 --> 00:50:48,924
Sorry, not to— but it's not like you're
standing there.

769
00:50:48,924 --> 00:50:53,669
It's, um, that you're— and the first
experience we had of this was Bradfield,

770
00:50:53,669 --> 00:50:55,271
and now— and then Telfair.

771
00:50:55,271 --> 00:51:00,202
And so now it seems to be where parents
will pull rather than waiting in line at

772
00:51:00,202 --> 00:51:04,331
They're doing that on streets, and then
their children are walking.

773
00:51:04,331 --> 00:51:07,465
You're standing on the sidewalk, on the
sidewalk, you're fine.

774
00:51:07,465 --> 00:51:11,459
If you're sitting in your car parked on
the street, you're considered standing,

775
00:51:11,459 --> 00:51:15,250
not parking. So that's the reason for the
no, no parking or standing signs.

776
00:51:15,250 --> 00:51:17,755
Thank you for that clarification.

777
00:51:17,755 --> 00:51:20,163
Along with defining this no parking zone,

778
00:51:20,163 --> 00:51:24,801
we'll need to amend the municipal code to
properly define and enact a provision

779
00:51:24,801 --> 00:51:26,857
dealing specifically with standing.

780
00:51:26,857 --> 00:51:31,731
So we'll look for examples and make sure
that that's part of the ordinance that you

781
00:51:31,731 --> 00:51:33,316
all consider in the future.

782
00:51:33,316 --> 00:51:37,803
So is— do we need to update the ordinance
first?

783
00:51:37,803 --> 00:51:42,015
You'll need to update the order if you're
going to post that location,

784
00:51:42,015 --> 00:51:43,399
no parking or standing.

785
00:51:43,399 --> 00:51:48,033
We need to have a standing provision
that's in our municipal code to enforce.

786
00:51:48,033 --> 00:51:49,838
Right now we do not have such.

787
00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:50,976
Okay.

788
00:51:52,211 --> 00:51:53,580
Excuse me, the current signs—

789
00:51:53,580 --> 00:51:57,366
Like the municipal code.

790
00:51:57,366 --> 00:51:57,978
Okay, thank you.

791
00:51:57,978 --> 00:51:58,301
Behind it.

792
00:51:58,301 --> 00:52:02,135
We did this over at Eden Rose about a year
ago, I guess it was.

793
00:52:02,135 --> 00:52:05,177
And with this, I guess those signs say no
parking.

794
00:52:05,177 --> 00:52:09,437
I frankly never looked at them close
enough to say whether they say no

795
00:52:09,437 --> 00:52:09,985
enough to say whether they say no
standing.

796
00:52:09,985 --> 00:52:14,427
But back to the ranch, we also had a
conversation at that point about the

797
00:52:14,427 --> 00:52:14,975
conversation at that point about the
timeline,

798
00:52:14,975 --> 00:52:16,739
and I Made a suggestion then.

799
00:52:16,739 --> 00:52:21,729
I appreciate my colleagues absorbing it
and trusting me on it because at that time

800
00:52:21,729 --> 00:52:21,790
and trusting me on it because at that time
I

801
00:52:21,790 --> 00:52:25,380
had a daughter in elementary school and I
knew it was 4:30.

802
00:52:25,380 --> 00:52:30,005
So when people— I think we changed what
had been proposed to us by that HOA.

803
00:52:30,005 --> 00:52:34,143
Is this going to be consistent with what
we've got every other sign?

804
00:52:34,481 --> 00:52:38,344
So in the other 3 neighborhoods, it sounds
like they're similar,

805
00:52:38,344 --> 00:52:41,725
but they have different bell times at
different schools.

806
00:52:41,725 --> 00:52:45,226
So I think the 7:30, 9:30, 2:30, 4:30 One
of maybe 2 to 4,

807
00:52:45,226 --> 00:52:47,580
but it has to do with their bell times.

808
00:52:47,580 --> 00:52:50,236
It's a 2-hour timeframe morning and
evening,

809
00:52:50,236 --> 00:52:53,496
but it matches the bell times more than
anything else.

810
00:52:53,496 --> 00:52:56,500
Because this one we're dealing with just
Nolensville Elementary School, right?

811
00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:58,118
It's not a middle school component, right?

812
00:52:58,118 --> 00:53:02,756
It's 8:38 is their bell time and then
2:38, I think.

813
00:53:02,756 --> 00:53:03,127
Thank you.

814
00:53:03,127 --> 00:53:07,568
Have we reviewed with the police
department just operational challenges

815
00:53:07,568 --> 00:53:07,818
department just operational challenges
with

816
00:53:07,818 --> 00:53:09,319
actually enforcing them?

817
00:53:09,319 --> 00:53:14,385
I have received Comments from members of
the public before about how difficult it

818
00:53:14,385 --> 00:53:14,510
the public before about how difficult it
is

819
00:53:14,510 --> 00:53:19,514
to get— and then also for police officers
to have time during these high-traffic

820
00:53:19,514 --> 00:53:23,955
time periods for everybody getting to
school where there's other calls,

821
00:53:23,955 --> 00:53:27,270
and then it becomes difficult to enforce
these signs.

822
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:31,960
I know typically the board has always
supported each HOA that has requested

823
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:32,273
supported each HOA that has requested
them.

824
00:53:32,273 --> 00:53:37,464
We've also had challenges with trying to
keep the signage as consistent as possible

825
00:53:37,464 --> 00:53:40,342
Because I believe they're special order
signs.

826
00:53:40,342 --> 00:53:44,657
So if one goes down, um, it does seem like
it, it expands everywhere.

827
00:53:44,657 --> 00:53:49,661
But like, are we able to actually enforce
these signs from the police department

828
00:53:49,661 --> 00:53:54,289
perspective? And, and Lieutenant Hoffer,
if you don't mind, we can't— the,

829
00:53:54,289 --> 00:53:58,855
the live stream won't pick you up unless
she's talking to the microphone.

830
00:53:58,855 --> 00:54:04,805
We can enforce them, but that's typically
around our busiest time of day.

831
00:54:04,805 --> 00:54:10,266
So it really dictates on whether or not we
have officers available.

832
00:54:10,266 --> 00:54:14,015
Uh, typically we are able to go into the
area,

833
00:54:14,015 --> 00:54:17,357
but because of whether it be the signing,

834
00:54:17,357 --> 00:54:23,878
the signage and the lack of the standing
portion of it, and they'll even correct

835
00:54:23,878 --> 00:54:24,122
portion of it, and they'll even correct
us,

836
00:54:24,122 --> 00:54:29,583
we're not parked, we're standing. So
they're aware of that as well.

837
00:54:29,583 --> 00:54:29,680
Okay.

838
00:54:31,049 --> 00:54:35,720
Okay, so you're saying all signs should
have both to go along with what our new

839
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:36,844
verbiage should be?

840
00:54:36,844 --> 00:54:37,685
Yes, ma'am.

841
00:54:37,685 --> 00:54:39,328
That's a pretty good legal argument.

842
00:54:39,328 --> 00:54:41,885
I respect anybody who's brought that up to
us, actually.

843
00:54:41,885 --> 00:54:47,534
All right, any other discussion on an
ordinance that would allow for no parking

844
00:54:47,534 --> 00:54:47,677
ordinance that would allow for no parking
or

845
00:54:47,677 --> 00:54:53,468
standing at Sugar Mill and Burrus Drive
and a corresponding code update to define

846
00:54:53,468 --> 00:54:55,256
standing within the code?

847
00:54:55,256 --> 00:54:59,760
So is it fair to assume this will be on
the next voting agenda,

848
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:04,193
or will it need more time to prepare for
the, the code update?

849
00:55:04,193 --> 00:55:07,132
We will do our best to have it on the
upcoming agenda for first read.

850
00:55:07,132 --> 00:55:07,969
Okay.

851
00:55:09,564 --> 00:55:13,267
All right, the next item is geotechnical
services for pedestrian bridge at Chris

852
00:55:13,267 --> 00:55:14,008
Maun-Brown Park.

853
00:55:14,008 --> 00:55:20,108
Okay, the, um, the Chris Maun-Brown Park
has a pedestrian bridge There was not any

854
00:55:20,108 --> 00:55:22,712
kind of geotechnical analysis done.

855
00:55:22,712 --> 00:55:28,887
The bridge designer has come back and he
made some assumptions for the design based

856
00:55:28,887 --> 00:55:34,466
off of the specifications of 1,500 pounds
per square foot bearing capacity.

857
00:55:34,466 --> 00:55:40,418
He's asked the town, if you don't have a
geotechnical showing that that'll work,

858
00:55:40,418 --> 00:55:45,625
you're taking on some liability for the
designer if there's a problem.

859
00:55:45,625 --> 00:55:49,568
They want to put the liability on us
instead of them.

860
00:55:49,568 --> 00:55:49,665
Okay.

861
00:55:50,810 --> 00:55:55,588
We took proposals from Terracon, who's
done the work out there at the park

862
00:55:55,588 --> 00:55:56,105
done the work out there at the park
already.

863
00:55:56,105 --> 00:55:57,655
They just sent it today.

864
00:55:57,655 --> 00:56:02,110
$4,800 would be to dig 4 test pits and
confirm that bearing capacity.

865
00:56:02,110 --> 00:56:04,177
It's basically insurance for us.

866
00:56:04,177 --> 00:56:09,407
It's $4,800 to confirm that it has the
adequate bearing capacity so that we don't

867
00:56:09,407 --> 00:56:14,379
take any liability on that bridge if it—
if the foundations are not you know,

868
00:56:14,379 --> 00:56:16,446
built on solid ground and fails.

869
00:56:16,446 --> 00:56:21,612
So it's, it's an insurance policy for us
because it's a pretty expensive bridge.

870
00:56:21,612 --> 00:56:24,711
It's 50-foot long, you know, it's up in
the air.

871
00:56:24,711 --> 00:56:29,296
So it's just a geotechnical analysis to
confirm the bearing capacities.

872
00:56:29,296 --> 00:56:34,947
So since that's within Victor's spending
authority, if— is that something—

873
00:56:34,947 --> 00:56:36,984
It's— it would actually not be.

874
00:56:36,984 --> 00:56:40,994
Um, the initial contract with Terracon was
done back in 2023,

875
00:56:40,994 --> 00:56:44,937
And we have been piggybacking off of that
original contract.

876
00:56:44,937 --> 00:56:48,092
Change Order 1 was for Greystone Park at
$2,500.

877
00:56:48,092 --> 00:56:52,890
We had another change order for Greystone
Park to do air quality testing,

878
00:56:52,890 --> 00:56:56,636
as well as sampling at the end of the
demolition process.

879
00:56:56,636 --> 00:56:58,740
And then we also, if you recall,

880
00:56:58,740 --> 00:57:03,406
we did core drilling on the police
headquarters location for foundation

881
00:57:03,406 --> 00:57:03,866
headquarters location for foundation
design.

882
00:57:03,866 --> 00:57:08,664
All of that is in excess of $10,000. So
this being Change Order Number 4.

883
00:57:08,664 --> 00:57:08,825
Yes.

884
00:57:09,563 --> 00:57:12,547
We're coming to you all for your
authorization,

885
00:57:12,547 --> 00:57:17,246
so we'll be presenting a resolution to you
for your consideration with the

886
00:57:17,246 --> 00:57:19,405
addendum as an attachment to that.

887
00:57:19,405 --> 00:57:24,060
Okay, any questions about the request for
geotechnical services for the pedestrian

888
00:57:24,060 --> 00:57:25,876
bridge at Chris Mann Brown Park?

889
00:57:25,876 --> 00:57:29,072
Thank you.

890
00:57:29,072 --> 00:57:33,129
All right, the next item is a partnership
with the National Fire Safety Council

891
00:57:33,129 --> 00:57:34,515
within the fire department.

892
00:57:35,799 --> 00:57:37,439
I think we jumped ahead, Mayor.

893
00:57:37,439 --> 00:57:42,247
Actually, it is reduce the speed limit on
Maxwell Drive near Kings

894
00:57:42,247 --> 00:57:44,578
Barn Drive, which is also Enoch,

895
00:57:44,578 --> 00:57:47,346
and then it'll be the fire department.

896
00:57:47,346 --> 00:57:52,312
The, um, we've had a couple of folks
that's run off the road, uh, on, uh,

897
00:57:52,312 --> 00:57:56,666
and that's Maxwell right there where
Britton and Maxwell change.

898
00:57:56,666 --> 00:58:01,427
Folks, Kings Barn, have had several say
they have Poor sight distance,

899
00:58:01,427 --> 00:58:06,733
which they do. Um, I've been out there
several times and I know the police sit

900
00:58:06,733 --> 00:58:07,074
several times and I know the police sit
there

901
00:58:07,074 --> 00:58:10,679
and monitor it. Um, I went back and looked
at AASHTO,

902
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:14,897
which is the highway transportation
officials, the Green Book,

903
00:58:14,897 --> 00:58:18,638
which is the standards for the entire
country for that.

904
00:58:18,638 --> 00:58:23,604
And a 200-foot radius, uh, would, would
support a 25-mile-an-hour design,

905
00:58:23,604 --> 00:58:26,529
and the road is currently 35 miles an
hour.

906
00:58:26,529 --> 00:58:26,657
Okay.

907
00:58:27,299 --> 00:58:31,852
So I would like to, uh, for the board to
allow us to put up some sharp curve signs.

908
00:58:31,852 --> 00:58:34,046
It'll say sharp curve, 25 miles an hour.

909
00:58:34,046 --> 00:58:38,435
It might not slow people down, it might
not keep them from driving off the road,

910
00:58:38,435 --> 00:58:41,452
but hopefully it would alert someone to
slow them down.

911
00:58:41,452 --> 00:58:43,975
Because the police says once they're
off-road,

912
00:58:43,975 --> 00:58:47,431
they're probably doing 30 or 40 anyway.
They're doing 50 maybe.

913
00:58:47,431 --> 00:58:51,381
But, uh, but I think these, these sharp
curve 25 mile an hour signs, uh,

914
00:58:51,381 --> 00:58:53,575
can improve safety out there. Thank you.

915
00:58:55,187 --> 00:58:57,039
And this is something that we would have
to vote on as a board?

916
00:58:57,039 --> 00:59:02,431
I think anytime we change speed limits,
we— the board votes on it, my

917
00:59:02,431 --> 00:59:03,525
we— the board votes on it, my
understanding.

918
00:59:03,525 --> 00:59:04,931
But y'all tell me.

919
00:59:04,931 --> 00:59:11,428
So will there be an ordinance on the first
reading of an ordinance on the voting

920
00:59:11,428 --> 00:59:11,996
agenda?

921
00:59:11,996 --> 00:59:14,779
Correct. That's what I understand. It
would take an ordinance to do that.

922
00:59:14,779 --> 00:59:16,473
Any questions for Enoch?

923
00:59:16,473 --> 00:59:20,143
All right, the next item is for the fire
department,

924
00:59:20,143 --> 00:59:24,449
and it's a partnership with the National
Fire Safety Council.

925
00:59:24,449 --> 00:59:27,628
I'm going to request to pull this from the
agenda.

926
00:59:27,628 --> 00:59:31,935
Okay, um, then the next item is also the
fire department,

927
00:59:31,935 --> 00:59:43,869
which is a repair of Nolensville Fire and
Rescue Engine 92.

928
00:59:46,869 --> 00:59:52,306
All right, so back in February we noticed
that we had some issues with the engine,

929
00:59:52,306 --> 00:59:57,280
so we took it in. They kind of looked at
it and said, hey, the pump is bad,

930
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,197
we're gonna need some major repairs on
this.

931
01:00:00,197 --> 01:00:05,568
Um, it went in in February, uh, it was
supposed to be done this past fiscal year.

932
01:00:05,568 --> 01:00:09,082
Parts were hard to come by, wrong parts
were shipped,

933
01:00:09,082 --> 01:00:11,337
the one part that came in was bad.

934
01:00:11,337 --> 01:00:11,481
Yeah.

935
01:00:12,229 --> 01:00:18,052
So here we are now in August. That engine
came from the nonprofit, from the 501.

936
01:00:18,052 --> 01:00:21,109
They traded 2 other trucks for this truck.

937
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:25,840
We're uncertain on the amount of money
that they were asking for.

938
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,261
They did buy it used. It's from the East
Coast.

939
01:00:29,261 --> 01:00:35,011
Currently, that truck has 106,397 miles on
it. Engine hours is Just over 8,400.

940
01:00:35,011 --> 01:00:36,758
If we do the wear miles,

941
01:00:36,758 --> 01:00:41,416
because the truck idles so much more and
pumping at higher RPMs,

942
01:00:41,416 --> 01:00:47,530
it's equivalent to 283,000 miles right now
on that truck is what it's equivalent to.

943
01:00:47,530 --> 01:00:51,388
It's our reserve engine. We need that
reserve engine.

944
01:00:51,388 --> 01:00:56,629
There's a lot of areas that our ladder
truck, even though it has a pump,

945
01:00:56,629 --> 01:01:00,850
cannot get to. So we need that second
engine as a reserve.

946
01:01:00,850 --> 01:01:04,053
So we went ahead to start fixing the
engine.

947
01:01:04,053 --> 01:01:04,165
Okay.

948
01:01:04,262 --> 01:01:07,704
And as of right now, they did the pump
repairs,

949
01:01:07,704 --> 01:01:12,611
and that totaled $27,163 just for the pump
and the parts and labor.

950
01:01:12,611 --> 01:01:17,005
While they were doing the pump and took it
out of the truck,

951
01:01:17,005 --> 01:01:21,912
there was a large diameter discharge that
we use for relay pumping,

952
01:01:21,912 --> 01:01:25,793
and also the truck exhaust itself needed
to come off,

953
01:01:25,793 --> 01:01:31,726
and they found that they were bad in order
to put back on in order for it to pass

954
01:01:31,726 --> 01:01:35,021
the pump test. So that was another
$5,889.59.

955
01:01:35,021 --> 01:01:40,074
Then they did the annual pump test, which
it passed, so that's great,

956
01:01:40,074 --> 01:01:45,860
which is required for us to present to ISO
every, every revisit when they come.

957
01:01:45,860 --> 01:01:51,280
We show them each, each year that each
truck that we had passed pump test.

958
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,623
So that was done, that was $250.

959
01:01:53,623 --> 01:01:57,944
We had the annual maintenance done on it,
oil filters, etc.

960
01:01:59,090 --> 01:01:59,348
Etc.

961
01:01:59,429 --> 01:02:02,021
We have that done on all of our trucks,

962
01:02:02,021 --> 01:02:05,675
and annually it's an average of about
$2,000 per truck.

963
01:02:05,675 --> 01:02:07,336
So as of right now today,

964
01:02:07,336 --> 01:02:12,652
we owe Siddons Martin $35,303.11 for this
truck to come back. I met with Victor.

965
01:02:12,652 --> 01:02:17,370
I also met in depth with engineer Nick
Kyriasis, who is our maintenance

966
01:02:17,370 --> 01:02:18,168
Kyriasis, who is our maintenance
coordinator.

967
01:02:18,168 --> 01:02:22,221
He's researches this stuff in and out. He
knows it very well.

968
01:02:22,221 --> 01:02:27,803
And they gave— they included a list for us
of multiple things that needed to be done

969
01:02:27,803 --> 01:02:33,119
as well, just beyond what they've already
completed. One of them is an air leak.

970
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:37,770
We have a couple of air leaks, which we
know it's an air brake system.

971
01:02:37,770 --> 01:02:42,621
So with the air brakes, large air leaks
cause a problem. We just can't go

972
01:02:42,621 --> 01:02:43,219
cause a problem. We just can't go
anywhere.

973
01:02:43,219 --> 01:02:47,073
It'll lock the brakes up. And so we don't
travel anywhere.

974
01:02:47,073 --> 01:02:50,063
So that needs to be fixed, and that's
$3,497.

975
01:02:50,063 --> 01:02:53,319
There's a check engine light that they
diagnosed,

976
01:02:53,319 --> 01:02:55,977
that there's a knock sensor that is bad.

977
01:02:55,977 --> 01:02:59,433
That determines how much fuel is sent to
the system.

978
01:02:59,433 --> 01:03:03,420
If we flood it with too much fuel, it can
go into limp mode.

979
01:03:03,420 --> 01:03:08,669
That's a safety issue for us when we're
pumping because it'll drop the RPMs and

980
01:03:08,669 --> 01:03:08,868
pumping because it'll drop the RPMs and
not

981
01:03:08,868 --> 01:03:10,995
let the truck run appropriately.

982
01:03:10,995 --> 01:03:16,178
So that's a safety issue, especially
during times of a fire and if we have Uh,

983
01:03:16,178 --> 01:03:21,693
personnel interior. There's a lube system
on there as well that needs to be filled.

984
01:03:21,693 --> 01:03:27,142
That's only $200. What that does is just
periodic times based on the hours on the,

985
01:03:27,142 --> 01:03:28,537
on the engine itself,

986
01:03:28,537 --> 01:03:33,255
it'll start lubing appropriate spots and
just prevent unnecessary wear.

987
01:03:33,255 --> 01:03:37,176
They said the batteries were bad, which we
knew was coming,

988
01:03:37,176 --> 01:03:41,362
and then with it sitting for so long
before they got the parts.

989
01:03:41,362 --> 01:03:41,475
Okay.

990
01:03:42,086 --> 01:03:44,196
Um, it's time for that as well.

991
01:03:44,196 --> 01:03:48,279
Um, the steering we could probably do
without at the moment.

992
01:03:48,279 --> 01:03:51,138
It's not as bad as what y'all might think.

993
01:03:51,138 --> 01:03:54,404
It needs to probably be addressed at some
point,

994
01:03:54,404 --> 01:03:59,917
but right now we could make it work due to
that this engine is going into reserve

995
01:03:59,917 --> 01:04:05,430
status. And then Nick also wanted me to
mention to y'all that these are the items

996
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:07,199
that we're not addressing.

997
01:04:07,199 --> 01:04:07,295
Okay.

998
01:04:08,804 --> 01:04:13,105
There's some oil leaks, transmission
pass-through harness leak.

999
01:04:13,105 --> 01:04:16,246
Front and rear tires need to be replaced
soon,

1000
01:04:16,246 --> 01:04:21,162
but they're still adequate per DOT specs
at 5/32. The AC is not working.

1001
01:04:21,162 --> 01:04:23,688
That's one that's hard to tell if we—

1002
01:04:23,688 --> 01:04:27,307
once we get in there and find out if it's
compressor,

1003
01:04:27,307 --> 01:04:32,018
if it's just a simple leak or if it's
catastrophic. They're not sure.

1004
01:04:32,018 --> 01:04:33,861
Step lights, marker lights.

1005
01:04:33,861 --> 01:04:34,031
Okay.

1006
01:04:34,673 --> 01:04:39,338
Etc. Just that there is about $11,700
with, uh, with the steering.

1007
01:04:39,338 --> 01:04:44,568
So currently, uh, we have $43,264
remaining in the budget for maintenance.

1008
01:04:44,568 --> 01:04:48,456
Our maintenance budget started at $50,000
for the year.

1009
01:04:48,456 --> 01:04:54,110
We did ladder testing by a third-party
company for ground ladders and the aerial

1010
01:04:54,110 --> 01:04:56,654
ladder that came out of maintenance.

1011
01:04:56,654 --> 01:05:00,754
And then Nick has just finished Um, annual
PMs— excuse me—

1012
01:05:00,754 --> 01:05:03,228
on Engine 91 and Ladder 91 as well.

1013
01:05:03,228 --> 01:05:08,034
So that was deducted from the $50,000, and
we're down to $43,264.56.

1014
01:05:08,034 --> 01:05:13,900
With the necessary repairs including into
that the NOx sensor, the air leaks, etc.,

1015
01:05:13,900 --> 01:05:15,455
this would be $41,538.

1016
01:05:15,455 --> 01:05:20,686
So that leaves us just under $2,000 left
for the rest of this fiscal year.

1017
01:05:20,686 --> 01:05:25,916
So we're just Coming to say we're going to
go ahead and get those repairs,

1018
01:05:25,916 --> 01:05:31,500
but we're probably going to need a budget
amendment down the road for that line

1019
01:05:31,500 --> 01:05:34,539
item. We kind of went together, Nick and
I,

1020
01:05:34,539 --> 01:05:38,214
and put together what if everything goes
as planned,

1021
01:05:38,214 --> 01:05:42,526
kind of how much more we would need for
the rest of the year.

1022
01:05:42,526 --> 01:05:48,251
And we got DEF fluid, we got oil changes,
miscellaneous items, wiper blades, etc.

1023
01:05:48,251 --> 01:05:51,714
Nick pulled from last year what we kind of
spent.

1024
01:05:51,714 --> 01:05:57,227
And then some miscellaneous repairs, uh,
would be somewhere around like $8,000

1025
01:05:57,227 --> 01:05:57,581
would be somewhere around like $8,000
more.

1026
01:05:57,581 --> 01:06:03,023
And that doesn't include if we fix
everything on that engine, which is 53238.

1027
01:06:03,023 --> 01:06:05,864
So you're saying if you go with the 53,

1028
01:06:05,864 --> 01:06:09,068
there's still potential for an additional
8,

1029
01:06:09,068 --> 01:06:11,399
or is that if we go with the 41?

1030
01:06:11,399 --> 01:06:14,651
So if we go with the 41538, um, we'll
probably need—

1031
01:06:14,651 --> 01:06:19,843
we're going to need some more money down
the road as a budget amendment just to The

1032
01:06:19,843 --> 01:06:23,345
less than 2,000 will not get us through
until next July.

1033
01:06:23,345 --> 01:06:28,970
And actually, even if you do the 53,
you're still going to need—

1034
01:06:28,970 --> 01:06:29,875
Still going to need—

1035
01:06:29,875 --> 01:06:35,140
You're going to need probably 10 at that
point because you've got 2 remaining.

1036
01:06:35,140 --> 01:06:36,423
So it's just— Yeah.

1037
01:06:39,014 --> 01:06:44,307
Yeah. It's— the truck, when we inherited
it from the 501, it looks beautiful.

1038
01:06:44,307 --> 01:06:49,326
They had a brand new paint job put on it
right before they took delivery,

1039
01:06:49,326 --> 01:06:52,901
but unfortunately it's got 283,000 wear
miles on it,

1040
01:06:52,901 --> 01:06:58,401
so it has served its purpose for us and
for the community that it served in East

1041
01:06:58,401 --> 01:06:59,638
Coast prior to us.

1042
01:06:59,638 --> 01:07:03,702
Well, sir, on that note, this is a serious
issue for our town.

1043
01:07:03,702 --> 01:07:08,028
We want the equipment to be the best and
we want it to be working,

1044
01:07:08,028 --> 01:07:10,256
and we don't want to have to— now,

1045
01:07:10,256 --> 01:07:15,566
just a short Not even 2 full months into
the new budget year to be exhausting our

1046
01:07:15,566 --> 01:07:16,811
maintenance budget.

1047
01:07:16,811 --> 01:07:17,437
Correct.

1048
01:07:17,437 --> 01:07:19,764
So I might impose upon you and Victor to
maybe—

1049
01:07:19,764 --> 01:07:21,595
and I realize this is a reserve unit.

1050
01:07:21,595 --> 01:07:25,092
Yes, so it'll be at our ISO Station 2, the
old firehouse.

1051
01:07:25,092 --> 01:07:26,564
Not only reserve though,

1052
01:07:26,564 --> 01:07:31,594
our volunteers that we do have will come
in and staff that too if we're on a large

1053
01:07:31,594 --> 01:07:36,317
incident, to either backfill into the town
or to come to that large incident.

1054
01:07:36,317 --> 01:07:39,323
So it will be used A little bit more than
normal.

1055
01:07:39,323 --> 01:07:40,946
Thank you for that feedback.

1056
01:07:40,946 --> 01:07:44,598
But in full view of the fact it is a
reserve unit, nonetheless,

1057
01:07:44,598 --> 01:07:47,786
I might impose upon you and Victor at a
future meeting,

1058
01:07:47,786 --> 01:07:52,192
just kind of give us some feedback on what
we might look at as far as a full

1059
01:07:52,192 --> 01:07:54,858
replacement of it before we go down this
path.

1060
01:07:54,858 --> 01:07:57,641
Um, a serious issue, but I could almost
frankly,

1061
01:07:57,641 --> 01:08:02,336
whenever you were going through the line
items of things that have to be fixed on

1062
01:08:02,336 --> 01:08:06,046
it, especially when you got to items that
you're not addressing,

1063
01:08:06,046 --> 01:08:10,799
There's an episode of The Andy Griffith
Show where Barney buys an old car from Ms.

1064
01:08:10,799 --> 01:08:14,799
Lesh, and it drives for just a few miles
and then it comes all apart.

1065
01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:19,552
And when Elmer comes back in from Wally's
filling station to tell him what's going

1066
01:08:19,552 --> 01:08:23,494
to have to be necessary to fix Barney's
car, he pretty much recites,

1067
01:08:23,494 --> 01:08:27,667
a brand new car. Everything on the car was
damaged, not working, ruined,

1068
01:08:27,667 --> 01:08:29,117
and it's got to be fixed.

1069
01:08:29,117 --> 01:08:33,348
That's what I was thinking, like, wow, is
this truck really worth fixing?

1070
01:08:33,348 --> 01:08:35,203
That's really my question today.

1071
01:08:35,203 --> 01:08:39,551
Is it worth fixing now that we're 6 to 7
weeks into our new budget year and

1072
01:08:39,551 --> 01:08:43,898
exhausting, as well as having to add
additional money from through a budget

1073
01:08:43,898 --> 01:08:47,666
amendment from our maintenance budget? Is
it worth fixing or not?

1074
01:08:47,666 --> 01:08:52,514
The last truck that we purchased, um, we,
we found it, um,

1075
01:08:52,514 --> 01:08:55,105
while it was being constructed.

1076
01:08:55,105 --> 01:09:02,126
They had Didn't have a— it wasn't special
ordered, they just had started a spec one.

1077
01:09:02,126 --> 01:09:07,976
And I think we spent $690— what, about
$620 on it, um, plus equipment.

1078
01:09:07,976 --> 01:09:12,908
Yeah, well, a lot of the equipment will
transfer if you're,

1079
01:09:12,908 --> 01:09:19,093
if you're taking it completely out of
service, and a lot of your equipment

1080
01:09:19,093 --> 01:09:19,845
service, and a lot of your equipment
transfer.

1081
01:09:19,845 --> 01:09:24,108
But nonetheless, that was 3 years ago, 4
years ago.

1082
01:09:24,108 --> 01:09:26,950
Uh, when we bought that one, 2022.

1083
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:33,469
So it's, um, I think you're probably
looking in the 7s, 7s to 8s probably now.

1084
01:09:33,469 --> 01:09:38,204
I'm just hearing a 13-year-old vehicle
that's got nearly 300,000 service miles on

1085
01:09:38,204 --> 01:09:38,321
that's got nearly 300,000 service miles on
it

1086
01:09:38,321 --> 01:09:40,192
one way or another by your math,

1087
01:09:40,192 --> 01:09:44,226
and I'm just wondering at what point do we
say it's not worth fixing?

1088
01:09:44,226 --> 01:09:47,091
And I keep looking out at our former chief
there.

1089
01:09:47,091 --> 01:09:53,163
I appreciate the sign language he was
offering there.

1090
01:09:56,163 --> 01:09:57,930
So, so to ask you, um,

1091
01:09:57,930 --> 01:10:04,114
obviously it's used and we never know
exactly how our vehicles are gonna hold

1092
01:10:04,114 --> 01:10:04,436
exactly how our vehicles are gonna hold
out,

1093
01:10:04,436 --> 01:10:07,809
right? But knowing that this is a reserve,

1094
01:10:07,809 --> 01:10:13,993
if we were to offer you the complete
repair, let's just say that's an option,

1095
01:10:13,993 --> 01:10:14,234
repair, let's just say that's an option,
um,

1096
01:10:14,234 --> 01:10:20,017
do you have faith in this being
operational for quite some time based on

1097
01:10:20,017 --> 01:10:20,659
operational for quite some time based on
it being

1098
01:10:20,659 --> 01:10:23,872
reserve. And when I say quite some time,

1099
01:10:23,872 --> 01:10:29,976
I mean enough time that gets us to a point
of responsible spending for a new

1100
01:10:29,976 --> 01:10:33,269
apparatus. So 2 years, 4 years potential.

1101
01:10:33,269 --> 01:10:36,954
I think if we put the $53,000, the
complete repair, into it,

1102
01:10:36,954 --> 01:10:41,990
I think we could probably get enough time
out of it for us to start the process of

1103
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:44,999
ordering something on that 2 to 3 year
lead time?

1104
01:10:44,999 --> 01:10:48,164
She asked it better than I did. That was
the answer. Thank you.

1105
01:10:48,164 --> 01:10:52,961
I mean, I look— listen, we know that,
again, you're buying a used vehicle,

1106
01:10:52,961 --> 01:10:55,683
and so there are always the hidden, right?

1107
01:10:55,683 --> 01:11:00,804
Like you said, you, you painted it with
some fancy lipstick and it looks really

1108
01:11:00,804 --> 01:11:02,814
great, but you don't ever know.

1109
01:11:02,814 --> 01:11:05,990
And so I guess my, my concern— and I
agree, like,

1110
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:09,491
at some point you will have to purchase
Something new,

1111
01:11:09,491 --> 01:11:13,186
but based on it being a reserve and at
Sanford, or— well,

1112
01:11:13,186 --> 01:11:15,778
I guess it'll be at the county building.

1113
01:11:15,778 --> 01:11:21,094
But if you put this money into it and we
know that it will facilitate what we need

1114
01:11:21,094 --> 01:11:26,345
for runs for enough time to really allow
responsible financial spending for a new

1115
01:11:26,345 --> 01:11:31,660
apparatus, if you feel that— and things
can always go wrong, so I understand that—

1116
01:11:31,660 --> 01:11:37,105
but if that's— Looking at that $53,000 to
complete that reserve gives us enough time

1117
01:11:37,105 --> 01:11:42,421
to really focus on what we would need to
purchase for future and the spending that

1118
01:11:42,421 --> 01:11:45,921
comes with that, then I appreciate that.
So thank you.

1119
01:11:45,921 --> 01:11:50,003
I'm always going to support repair
requests that you guys want.

1120
01:11:50,003 --> 01:11:51,428
I mean, in the budget,

1121
01:11:51,428 --> 01:11:55,898
we have always traditionally approved
whatever repair budget has been

1122
01:11:55,898 --> 01:11:56,805
whatever repair budget has been
recommended by

1123
01:11:56,805 --> 01:12:00,498
the department. So I— my husband works on
cars. I do not.

1124
01:12:00,498 --> 01:12:05,034
I have no frame of reference for the
values that are put forward here.

1125
01:12:05,034 --> 01:12:10,087
But if you say you need to repair an
engine, I'm always going to support that.

1126
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:14,907
Um, Victor and Christina, where do you see
these additional funds coming from,

1127
01:12:14,907 --> 01:12:16,396
from our budget amendment?

1128
01:12:16,396 --> 01:12:20,653
So we've got a couple things that we've
been looking at.

1129
01:12:20,653 --> 01:12:26,355
Um, one is there— we have operational
dollars were being forecasted for the

1130
01:12:26,355 --> 01:12:29,549
interconnect with the library parking lot.

1131
01:12:29,549 --> 01:12:33,882
To the tune of about— we budgeted about
$75,000 for that.

1132
01:12:33,882 --> 01:12:39,812
So that's one place that if we're not
going to do that project now because the

1133
01:12:39,812 --> 01:12:43,005
library piece did not get funded, that we,

1134
01:12:43,005 --> 01:12:46,579
we have that already in our operational
budget.

1135
01:12:46,579 --> 01:12:52,509
But secondly, we've got our sales tax
numbers still continue to come in really

1136
01:12:52,509 --> 01:12:57,298
strong. We've really only got one month in
on this fiscal year,

1137
01:12:57,298 --> 01:13:02,468
but looking at those last 3 months and the
way that they've trended,

1138
01:13:02,468 --> 01:13:06,802
it's been even more than where we thought
we were headed.

1139
01:13:06,802 --> 01:13:12,656
If you prorated the single month that
we've got and the rest of the year went

1140
01:13:12,656 --> 01:13:12,884
we've got and the rest of the year went
the

1141
01:13:12,884 --> 01:13:18,890
same direction, then we could have an
additional $200,000 to $300,000 coming in

1142
01:13:18,890 --> 01:13:19,194
additional $200,000 to $300,000 coming in
from

1143
01:13:19,194 --> 01:13:19,498
our—

1144
01:13:19,498 --> 01:13:20,317
Revenue.

1145
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,835
beyond what we had already projected for
sales tax.

1146
01:13:23,835 --> 01:13:26,444
So there's a couple pieces that we're
looking at.

1147
01:13:26,444 --> 01:13:29,686
So, um, I appreciate the library may be an
option.

1148
01:13:29,686 --> 01:13:34,613
I feel like staff as well as the 5 of us
definitely conveyed that that was a

1149
01:13:34,613 --> 01:13:35,067
definitely conveyed that that was a
project

1150
01:13:35,067 --> 01:13:39,864
that they wanted to continue based on the
ease and usability of having the

1151
01:13:39,864 --> 01:13:44,857
additional exit in and out of Town Hall as
well as the connection between the

1152
01:13:44,857 --> 01:13:49,849
library. So I would For me, at least, I
would prefer to not see that go away.

1153
01:13:49,849 --> 01:13:54,582
Is there a way that you and Christina
could potentially just give us that

1154
01:13:54,582 --> 01:13:55,165
could potentially just give us that
projected

1155
01:13:55,165 --> 01:14:00,481
tax revenue so that we can look at those
numbers as we're considering the totality

1156
01:14:00,481 --> 01:14:02,556
of what he has with the $53,000?

1157
01:14:02,556 --> 01:14:04,871
Yeah, we'll put together a report on that.

1158
01:14:04,871 --> 01:14:07,507
So the—

1159
01:14:07,507 --> 01:14:12,649
I mean, the general fund detail report
that's on the agenda right now shows that

1160
01:14:12,649 --> 01:14:12,842
that's on the agenda right now shows that
for

1161
01:14:12,842 --> 01:14:17,663
July it was $313,900, which I think was
closer to February of 2025 numbers,

1162
01:14:17,663 --> 01:14:20,427
which would really be December
collections.

1163
01:14:20,427 --> 01:14:24,927
So I mean, the, the sales tax— and if you
take that $313,000 times 12,

1164
01:14:24,927 --> 01:14:28,976
that puts you in really almost $400,000
above what we budgeted,

1165
01:14:28,976 --> 01:14:32,640
because we budgeted $3.4 million for sales
tax this year.

1166
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:39,485
Um, I, I keep a running total of the
percent each month Brings in for the

1167
01:14:39,485 --> 01:14:40,048
percent each month Brings in for the
entire

1168
01:14:40,048 --> 01:14:45,112
year. And last year, July was 8.9% of the
entire year.

1169
01:14:45,112 --> 01:14:48,581
So if you take the 313 and you— that,

1170
01:14:48,581 --> 01:14:53,364
that's what's my proration is 319 divided
by 0.089.

1171
01:14:53,364 --> 01:15:01,147
And it came up to about a $3.7 million, a
little over $3.7 million. We budgeted $3.

1172
01:15:01,147 --> 01:15:08,555
3.4. So that was, that was why when I said
200 to 300, just to give some fluff,

1173
01:15:08,555 --> 01:15:11,837
maybe 3, hopefully it's 300 to 400.

1174
01:15:11,837 --> 01:15:17,939
And then also in the engineering update, I
believe Enoch shared, um,

1175
01:15:17,939 --> 01:15:22,066
that Kroger is forecasting to open in
January.

1176
01:15:22,066 --> 01:15:26,732
Is that still— I just say that because of
sales tax.

1177
01:15:26,732 --> 01:15:31,958
They're, uh, pretty confident they're
going to open by January 30th.

1178
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:36,254
Like of 2027?

1179
01:15:36,254 --> 01:15:41,627
Correct.

1180
01:15:41,627 --> 01:15:44,314
Huh.

1181
01:15:44,363 --> 01:15:49,342
All right, any other discussion for the
repair request and the corresponding

1182
01:15:49,342 --> 01:15:49,735
repair request and the corresponding
budget

1183
01:15:49,735 --> 01:15:54,387
amendment? I would just say also that,
like, you should— in my opinion,

1184
01:15:54,387 --> 01:15:56,680
you should have repair budget left,

1185
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:01,462
and we shouldn't cut it so close that you
have to come back to the board.

1186
01:16:01,462 --> 01:16:06,638
So I would hope to see whatever the budget
amendment gives you all a reasonable

1187
01:16:06,638 --> 01:16:11,617
amount that in your judgment you can get
through, because I mean, we should—

1188
01:16:11,617 --> 01:16:16,334
whether it's the ladder truck, the
engines, we should be repairing those

1189
01:16:16,334 --> 01:16:16,989
engines, we should be repairing those
regularly.

1190
01:16:16,989 --> 01:16:21,989
Yeah, I, you know, there's incidentals
that we can't forecast, but yeah,

1191
01:16:21,989 --> 01:16:26,711
I can work with Victor and with Nick and
we come up with an adequate

1192
01:16:26,711 --> 01:16:27,197
number.

1193
01:16:27,197 --> 01:16:28,000
Okay.

1194
01:16:29,043 --> 01:16:33,173
Just, yeah, I appreciate you doing this,
putting this all together.

1195
01:16:33,173 --> 01:16:37,304
I would encourage you to include the
steering adjustment of $5,000.

1196
01:16:37,304 --> 01:16:41,866
That looks like between your remaining
maintenance and what was left here,

1197
01:16:41,866 --> 01:16:44,763
about $23,000. I would also, as the mayor
said,

1198
01:16:44,763 --> 01:16:48,215
give yourself some more buffer for the
rest of the year.

1199
01:16:48,215 --> 01:16:53,209
Yeah, let's, let's get this fixed and get
on the road and Hopefully it gives us a

1200
01:16:53,209 --> 01:16:58,140
couple extra years to prepare and it's
serviceable and we can meet the needs and

1201
01:16:58,140 --> 01:16:59,928
expectations of our citizens.

1202
01:16:59,928 --> 01:17:01,085
Perfect.

1203
01:17:02,444 --> 01:17:04,046
Thank you. 2 items in one meeting.

1204
01:17:04,046 --> 01:17:05,195
I know.

1205
01:17:06,085 --> 01:17:06,425
Thank you.

1206
01:17:06,425 --> 01:17:08,659
Do you want another one? Should we, should
we add another?

1207
01:17:08,659 --> 01:17:09,927
Yeah, you got one.

1208
01:17:09,927 --> 01:17:17,295
All right, the next item for discussion is
the flag design campaign.

1209
01:17:20,295 --> 01:17:25,582
All right, so do you all have any
questions about the flag design campaign?

1210
01:17:25,582 --> 01:17:30,023
Do we want to do it? So, um, right now we
have a campaign open.

1211
01:17:30,023 --> 01:17:34,323
Um, the deadline to submit is Monday,
August 31st at 4:00 PM.

1212
01:17:34,323 --> 01:17:39,539
At this time we do not have any
submissions, so if you know of anyone, let

1213
01:17:39,539 --> 01:17:40,103
submissions, so if you know of anyone, let
us know.

1214
01:17:40,103 --> 01:17:46,024
We reached out to the schools and also the
Artists Guild and asked them them to kind

1215
01:17:46,024 --> 01:17:50,183
of help us. Um, hoping that we get some at
the last minute,

1216
01:17:50,183 --> 01:17:54,060
but the selected design will be the
official town flag.

1217
01:17:54,060 --> 01:17:56,386
We will also put a replica in it—

1218
01:17:56,386 --> 01:18:02,026
of it into the time capsule that we plan
to bury on October 3rd for our Founders

1219
01:18:02,026 --> 01:18:07,031
Day. So if you can help spread the word,
we would really appreciate it.

1220
01:18:07,031 --> 01:18:11,119
And everything is online for, um, for the
submission form.

1221
01:18:11,119 --> 01:18:15,137
And the, um, we have a few parameters
where they need to—

1222
01:18:15,137 --> 01:18:18,521
we would like them to be a Nolensville
resident.

1223
01:18:18,521 --> 01:18:24,442
So that's one of the requirements of it as
well. I want to make sure I mention that.

1224
01:18:24,442 --> 01:18:27,459
So a week from today?

1225
01:18:27,459 --> 01:18:27,944
Yes.

1226
01:18:27,944 --> 01:18:28,299
Right.

1227
01:18:28,299 --> 01:18:31,376
And then what we will do is we'll send it
to you all.

1228
01:18:31,376 --> 01:18:34,454
You'll have until the 31st till the 2nd to
review it,

1229
01:18:34,454 --> 01:18:36,602
let us which one you would recommend,

1230
01:18:36,602 --> 01:18:40,724
and then we would probably put it on the
agenda for you all to vote on.

1231
01:18:40,724 --> 01:18:42,350
So it will be a voting item.

1232
01:18:42,350 --> 01:18:48,608
I'll talk to both art teachers at the high
school tomorrow.

1233
01:18:48,608 --> 01:18:52,061
Thank you. And you all can submit
something too.

1234
01:18:52,061 --> 01:18:57,159
I think Mr. Carpenter is the one over
here.

1235
01:18:57,159 --> 01:18:57,842
Tyler's the one over here.

1236
01:18:57,956 --> 01:19:00,606
Yeah, it is Tyler. It's a lot of pressure,
Tyler.

1237
01:19:00,606 --> 01:19:02,882
And I probably will reach out to the
community members.

1238
01:19:02,882 --> 01:19:05,819
And see if some of them will present to
you. That might be a good idea.

1239
01:19:05,819 --> 01:19:07,115
I'll look at my existing portfolio.

1240
01:19:07,115 --> 01:19:11,771
All right, any other discussion for the
flag design campaign,

1241
01:19:11,771 --> 01:19:16,351
which is an exciting addition to
celebrating the town's 30th

1242
01:19:16,351 --> 01:19:17,038
birthday?

1243
01:19:17,038 --> 01:19:20,228
I can't wait to see— I hope we receive
some. I'm so excited to see them.

1244
01:19:20,228 --> 01:19:26,315
All right, the next item for discussion—
were you going to say something? Oh, okay.

1245
01:19:26,315 --> 01:19:31,962
The next item for discussion is The
Tarver-Ringman annexation from the August

1246
01:19:31,962 --> 01:19:32,402
Tarver-Ringman annexation from the August
voting

1247
01:19:32,402 --> 01:19:37,828
meeting. Um, we had— I'll go first,
although unless anybody else wants to.

1248
01:19:37,828 --> 01:19:43,695
We had discussed this at the workshop and
at a workshop prior to it going to the

1249
01:19:43,695 --> 01:19:49,269
Planning Commission, but in the voting
meeting it did not have a motion or a

1250
01:19:49,269 --> 01:19:49,782
meeting it did not have a motion or a
second,

1251
01:19:49,782 --> 01:19:55,136
and so there was no discussion. We don't
discuss unless there's a motion.

1252
01:19:55,136 --> 01:20:01,002
Um, and While that is proper, I think
probably if there's someone on the agenda,

1253
01:20:01,002 --> 01:20:07,089
my opinion now is that we probably should
have at least had a motion for discussion

1254
01:20:07,089 --> 01:20:13,029
or something. But just wanted to reiterate
that my reasons for not supporting the

1255
01:20:13,029 --> 01:20:17,209
annexation was because of the expansion of
the CD-3 zone.

1256
01:20:17,209 --> 01:20:21,169
That was in the zoning ordinance, a
transitional zone.

1257
01:20:21,169 --> 01:20:27,330
And if we start setting the precedent that
we will apply that zone as we expand down

1258
01:20:27,330 --> 01:20:33,270
Kidd Road, I think that the precedent that
sets is that everything down Kidd Road

1259
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:36,130
should be the CD-3 at 4 units per acre,

1260
01:20:36,130 --> 01:20:39,870
which is not something that I was
comfortable with.

1261
01:20:39,870 --> 01:20:45,883
The CD-3 application directly left of that
particular parcel was transitioned from

1262
01:20:45,883 --> 01:20:48,743
office industrial into the residential.

1263
01:20:48,743 --> 01:20:54,537
And then the 2 parcels that are to the
right of that parcel, that CD-3, are the

1264
01:20:54,537 --> 01:20:54,757
right of that parcel, that CD-3, are the
CD—

1265
01:20:54,757 --> 01:20:58,717
I think it's 2L, but it's the low-density
residential.

1266
01:20:58,717 --> 01:21:04,584
And so I, I have concern about a clear
delineation between South Davidson County

1267
01:21:04,584 --> 01:21:04,804
delineation between South Davidson County
and

1268
01:21:04,804 --> 01:21:10,964
Nolensville, but also making sure that we
don't set a precedent that we expand CD-3.

1269
01:21:10,964 --> 01:21:12,713
everywhere.

1270
01:21:13,675 --> 01:21:17,610
And so I don't know if anybody else wants
to share their opinions on that particular

1271
01:21:17,610 --> 01:21:20,936
annexation since we didn't discuss it in
the voting meeting, but if so,

1272
01:21:20,936 --> 01:21:22,576
I would encourage you to, to do so.

1273
01:21:22,576 --> 01:21:25,652
So I don't take issue with the annexation.

1274
01:21:25,652 --> 01:21:30,558
Obviously it's contiguous, and so I don't
have any issue with that.

1275
01:21:30,558 --> 01:21:36,490
In looking at this both from the Planning
Commission side as well as the BOC side

1276
01:21:36,490 --> 01:21:38,833
and looking at the ask for CD 3.

1277
01:21:38,833 --> 01:21:41,543
I agree, not only is this the proper—

1278
01:21:41,543 --> 01:21:45,717
improper use of that zone for moving
further out of town,

1279
01:21:45,717 --> 01:21:48,646
but if you look at the topography of it,

1280
01:21:48,646 --> 01:21:54,212
this kind of goes back to Bench Lakes and
Williams property and annexing in,

1281
01:21:54,212 --> 01:22:00,070
but being willing to wait and consider
what we are reworking with the zoning and

1282
01:22:00,070 --> 01:22:02,340
what is possible for that land.

1283
01:22:02,340 --> 01:22:06,807
If you look at that particular parcel,
Again, the creek line,

1284
01:22:06,807 --> 01:22:09,663
the potential connectivity that it has.

1285
01:22:09,663 --> 01:22:15,595
There is, there is a use for it, but what
is that? And CD-3 is, is not something.

1286
01:22:15,595 --> 01:22:21,307
So in terms of annexation, yes, I would
support that. The rezone, I would not.

1287
01:22:21,307 --> 01:22:24,163
Certainly support CD-3, as I've stated,

1288
01:22:24,163 --> 01:22:29,729
but I don't know what the proper is for
that without sitting down with staff

1289
01:22:29,729 --> 01:22:30,168
that without sitting down with staff
first.

1290
01:22:30,168 --> 01:22:30,719
Thank you.

1291
01:22:31,849 --> 01:22:34,214
Well, again, and having further discussion
on that.

1292
01:22:34,214 --> 01:22:38,970
Yeah, I'm going to echo the sentiment of
the prior 2 Commissioners.

1293
01:22:38,970 --> 01:22:42,378
I think the annexation is not the question
here.

1294
01:22:42,378 --> 01:22:48,199
I think it is appropriate density in an
area that is clearly transitional and what

1295
01:22:48,199 --> 01:22:53,665
that really looks like in terms of design
for both that piece of property and

1296
01:22:53,665 --> 01:22:59,420
connectivity to the town as we always push
with development.

1297
01:23:02,420 --> 01:23:04,113
I echo everything that they just said.

1298
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:05,128
I—

1299
01:23:07,095 --> 01:23:12,552
yeah, I don't support 3. I do support
annexation. I agree with them.

1300
01:23:12,552 --> 01:23:16,640
Well, since we've got 5 Commissioners now
that echo the same thing,

1301
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:18,410
we're in favor of annexation,

1302
01:23:18,410 --> 01:23:22,193
but it was apparently the CD-3 that was
causing the heartburn,

1303
01:23:22,193 --> 01:23:24,817
and it was certainly mine. Problem as
well.

1304
01:23:24,817 --> 01:23:29,698
We— that is, that area of town needs to be
the transition into something such as

1305
01:23:29,698 --> 01:23:33,359
CD-3. And that being the case, Victor, we
didn't vote on it,

1306
01:23:33,359 --> 01:23:37,996
so it didn't get voted down. It just
failed for lack of a motion that night.

1307
01:23:37,996 --> 01:23:42,695
Is it something we could bring back up at
the next meeting and have a vote on

1308
01:23:42,695 --> 01:23:46,783
perhaps annexation? And do— and I
appreciate what Jessica said, we,

1309
01:23:46,783 --> 01:23:50,688
we took the Williams property and went
down to CD-2L, I believe.

1310
01:23:50,688 --> 01:23:50,834
Yes.

1311
01:23:51,349 --> 01:23:54,593
the entry level, if you will, and see
where we go from there.

1312
01:23:54,593 --> 01:23:56,454
Is that a possibility procedurally?

1313
01:23:56,454 --> 01:23:58,809
You can renew the motion,

1314
01:23:58,809 --> 01:24:04,461
and that would give you the opportunity to
bring it back up.

1315
01:24:04,461 --> 01:24:10,585
That's something that you would have to do
at the voting meeting,

1316
01:24:10,585 --> 01:24:13,694
is specifically renew the motion.

1317
01:24:13,694 --> 01:24:16,331
And so it Basically, at the—

1318
01:24:16,331 --> 01:24:21,607
the process would be during your approval
of the agenda,

1319
01:24:21,607 --> 01:24:27,165
you would ask to renew the motion and add
it to the agenda.

1320
01:24:27,524 --> 01:24:27,915
Okay.

1321
01:24:28,796 --> 01:24:31,063
And then you all could reconsider that.

1322
01:24:31,063 --> 01:24:34,423
Charlie wants to say something.

1323
01:24:34,423 --> 01:24:39,028
And if the, uh, the zone was to change
after the first, uh, discussion of the

1324
01:24:39,028 --> 01:24:39,267
after the first, uh, discussion of the
BOC,

1325
01:24:39,267 --> 01:24:42,607
it would need to go back to the PC.

1326
01:24:45,607 --> 01:24:49,602
Charles, that would be strictly for
annexation, but if zone changed,

1327
01:24:49,602 --> 01:24:54,420
they would go through the process which
would start at the Planning Commission and

1328
01:24:54,420 --> 01:24:58,004
then return. Is that correct? Is that what
I'm understanding?

1329
01:24:58,004 --> 01:25:00,765
Annexation here, rezone, planning, back to
BOC?

1330
01:25:00,765 --> 01:25:04,273
Yes.

1331
01:25:04,435 --> 01:25:09,585
If zoning of what it was proposed as
changes, it goes back to the POC.

1332
01:25:09,585 --> 01:25:10,384
PC, yeah.

1333
01:25:10,384 --> 01:25:16,768
So I'm seeing some head nods, and one of
them is mine.

1334
01:25:16,768 --> 01:25:20,196
I don't know why I said that.

1335
01:25:20,196 --> 01:25:23,979
So what Vice Mayor is saying, I—

1336
01:25:23,979 --> 01:25:27,644
so Victor and I discussed this,

1337
01:25:27,644 --> 01:25:33,910
and I I think like it's challenging the
way that the—

1338
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:41,240
the way that we do things where we have an
annexation and then

1339
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:47,624
there is a formal process even to get the
2L or the 2.

1340
01:25:47,624 --> 01:25:52,825
And because they sought a 3 with
annexation,

1341
01:25:52,825 --> 01:26:00,155
can we even vote on annexation before it
goes back through PC?

1342
01:26:00,155 --> 01:26:00,349
Yes.

1343
01:26:00,450 --> 01:26:04,923
Basically, can we vote on annexation
without voting on a rezone?

1344
01:26:04,923 --> 01:26:07,075
Yes.

1345
01:26:07,075 --> 01:26:08,445
Yes.

1346
01:26:09,944 --> 01:26:16,604
Okay, so we don't have to vote on a
rezone. It automatically defaults to the

1347
01:26:16,604 --> 01:26:17,217
rezone. It automatically defaults to the
lowest.

1348
01:26:17,217 --> 01:26:22,295
Yeah, no different than what Williams and
Bench Lake, correct?

1349
01:26:22,295 --> 01:26:24,407
They didn't. We voted on—

1350
01:26:24,407 --> 01:26:26,915
Oh, you're saying because there was— oh, I
see. I'm sorry.

1351
01:26:28,020 --> 01:26:32,482
I'm saying we have a formal process where
it's not just an— it doesn't default.

1352
01:26:32,482 --> 01:26:34,459
We actually have to vote to rezone.

1353
01:26:34,459 --> 01:26:40,488
So I think one way to address this is to
allow staff and legal time to confer and

1354
01:26:40,488 --> 01:26:46,666
also discuss with the applicant if that's
something that they would want to pursue,

1355
01:26:46,666 --> 01:26:52,695
because I think like legal advice on the
fly is also difficult because zoning and

1356
01:26:52,695 --> 01:26:55,821
land use is Yes. is complex and difficult.

1357
01:26:55,821 --> 01:27:01,403
So I would encourage us, instead of trying
to work that out in the meeting,

1358
01:27:01,403 --> 01:27:07,060
to let staff work together with legal if
that is something that the Board is

1359
01:27:07,060 --> 01:27:12,866
supportive of, of annexation at a lesser
zone and the applicant is considered—

1360
01:27:12,866 --> 01:27:18,969
wants that. I would also encourage us to
really focus in on the connection Between

1361
01:27:18,969 --> 01:27:24,551
Kidd Road, that was one of the areas that
I felt really uncomfortable with.

1362
01:27:24,551 --> 01:27:28,124
I know that there is a creek there, but
there's—

1363
01:27:28,124 --> 01:27:33,855
having a connection between Kidd Road
going into South Walk long-term for our

1364
01:27:33,855 --> 01:27:37,502
community would be a really important
connection.

1365
01:27:37,502 --> 01:27:43,308
And so if there's a way to have more
certainty around that as a requirement to

1366
01:27:43,308 --> 01:27:48,741
development for either of parcels, that
would be important to me as well.

1367
01:27:48,741 --> 01:27:54,100
But did that, did that address what you
were talking about, Commissioner

1368
01:27:54,100 --> 01:27:54,845
were talking about, Commissioner
Carpenter,

1369
01:27:54,845 --> 01:27:56,780
with the legal part of it?

1370
01:27:56,780 --> 01:27:58,547
Yes.

1371
01:27:59,319 --> 01:27:59,527
Okay.

1372
01:28:00,732 --> 01:28:06,210
Yeah, it sounds like— I can't speak for
the, the applicant,

1373
01:28:06,210 --> 01:28:09,367
but it sounds like the best, like,

1374
01:28:09,367 --> 01:28:16,516
route here would be to wait until we've
work through some of the regulations,

1375
01:28:16,516 --> 01:28:19,116
because we've discussed the—

1376
01:28:19,116 --> 01:28:24,315
what's the term where you can change
certain aspects of—

1377
01:28:24,315 --> 01:28:26,111
Modification of standards.

1378
01:28:26,111 --> 01:28:30,862
Yes, the modification of standards. But
we're working through that.

1379
01:28:30,862 --> 01:28:35,825
And I mean, if the applicant wants to
pursue the 2 or 2L, that's fine,

1380
01:28:35,825 --> 01:28:38,945
but it sounds like This is a tough
property.

1381
01:28:38,945 --> 01:28:43,837
And so I don't know, I'm— if we're looking
for directions to go here,

1382
01:28:43,837 --> 01:28:46,673
I think it's really up to the applicant.

1383
01:28:46,673 --> 01:28:48,309
Would the applicant like to speak?

1384
01:28:48,309 --> 01:28:50,812
I know typically when we have an
annexation request,

1385
01:28:50,812 --> 01:28:52,449
we didn't have a motion last time,

1386
01:28:52,449 --> 01:28:56,251
so I think it would be appropriate for the
applicant to speak since we're in a—

1387
01:28:56,251 --> 01:28:57,069
we're discussion.

1388
01:28:57,069 --> 01:28:58,872
Sure. Yeah, thank you.

1389
01:28:58,872 --> 01:29:04,774
Um, when we designed the property, uh,
Under CD-3, the site plan that I—

1390
01:29:04,774 --> 01:29:11,495
we submitted with our rezoning request was
really the maximum number of units that

1391
01:29:11,495 --> 01:29:14,609
the property could support under CD-3.

1392
01:29:14,609 --> 01:29:20,921
And in hindsight, that may not have been
wise because it may not be feasible—

1393
01:29:20,921 --> 01:29:23,134
it is not feasible, really,

1394
01:29:23,134 --> 01:29:28,707
for us to build the number of units that
we showed on the site plan.

1395
01:29:28,707 --> 01:29:33,379
So we are going back and we've talked with
our engineers.

1396
01:29:33,379 --> 01:29:40,182
We have another site plan that shows some
connectivity to the east and west and has

1397
01:29:40,182 --> 01:29:42,805
26 units shown in the site plan.

1398
01:29:42,805 --> 01:29:49,117
The problem we've run into, and I think
Commissioner Carpenter alluded to it,

1399
01:29:49,117 --> 01:29:55,264
is that there's really not a zoning
designation that allows for 26 units on

1400
01:29:55,264 --> 01:29:55,592
designation that allows for 26 units on
this

1401
01:29:55,592 --> 01:29:59,854
property because CD-3 is a number of units
per acre.

1402
01:29:59,854 --> 01:29:59,984
Yes.

1403
01:30:00,198 --> 01:30:06,665
CD-3L is a square footage and it's not
units per acre over the entire property.

1404
01:30:06,665 --> 01:30:09,612
So CD-3L is 20,000 square foot lots.

1405
01:30:09,612 --> 01:30:14,523
And so that sounds like, you know, half
the density of CD-3,

1406
01:30:14,523 --> 01:30:19,353
but it's actually a lot less than half the
density of CD-3.

1407
01:30:19,353 --> 01:30:24,183
So we have new site plans that conform to
CD-3L as as well.

1408
01:30:24,183 --> 01:30:30,240
And so for us, we have to think about
what's economically feasible for us.

1409
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:34,251
And CD3L, we think we maybe could make
that work.

1410
01:30:34,251 --> 01:30:36,789
I think once we get below CD3L,

1411
01:30:36,789 --> 01:30:43,338
we would have to really take a hard look
at whether or not it's feasible for us.

1412
01:30:43,338 --> 01:30:48,986
But I don't know if you're able to give
feedback right now, but just—

1413
01:30:48,986 --> 01:30:54,798
Is CD3L something that the Board would So
it's 20,000-square-foot lots.

1414
01:30:55,121 --> 01:30:58,522
So essentially, you're talking about 2
units per acre. Is that correct?

1415
01:30:58,522 --> 01:31:01,329
Well, it comes out to less than that.

1416
01:31:01,329 --> 01:31:04,760
Because you've got all the other roads and
stuff like that that you have to—

1417
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:05,214
Correct.

1418
01:31:05,311 --> 01:31:09,779
Our target when we redesigned it was 2
units per acre.

1419
01:31:09,779 --> 01:31:15,112
And you said connectivity east and west,
but not south?

1420
01:31:17,427 --> 01:31:20,497
Issue with connectivity directly south.

1421
01:31:20,497 --> 01:31:25,299
Well, one, the property directly to our
south has a driveway,

1422
01:31:25,299 --> 01:31:30,023
a flag that comes up north on the east
side of our property,

1423
01:31:30,023 --> 01:31:32,778
and that is one of their entrances.

1424
01:31:32,778 --> 01:31:38,840
And so we border that property to the
south across the creek, but also to the

1425
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:39,234
south across the creek, but also to the
east,

1426
01:31:39,234 --> 01:31:43,327
their driveway that That goes up and hits
Kidd Road.

1427
01:31:43,327 --> 01:31:49,704
Building a bridge on our property across
the creek to provide connectivity to the

1428
01:31:49,704 --> 01:31:55,451
property in the south, which we don't
control, the property in the south,

1429
01:31:55,451 --> 01:31:57,340
would be very expensive,

1430
01:31:57,340 --> 01:32:03,795
likely prohibitively expensive to build a
bridge to connect directly to the south.

1431
01:32:03,795 --> 01:32:08,361
But since their driveway borders our
property to the east,

1432
01:32:08,361 --> 01:32:14,187
Connecting to that property to the east
would be a lot cheaper and easier.

1433
01:32:14,187 --> 01:32:16,528
So again, if you look at this,

1434
01:32:16,528 --> 01:32:22,692
when we were going through discussion
Planning Commission level, this property,

1435
01:32:22,692 --> 01:32:24,643
like some in Nolensville,

1436
01:32:24,643 --> 01:32:30,418
is extremely unique in the topography that
it holds and what is buildable.

1437
01:32:30,418 --> 01:32:34,007
I won't say I'm necessarily opposed to the
3L,

1438
01:32:34,007 --> 01:32:40,562
but I still have a lot of questions about
the 3L and the original intent of what the

1439
01:32:40,562 --> 01:32:46,180
Board of Commissioners had for, um, the
growth on the outskirts of town,

1440
01:32:46,180 --> 01:32:48,911
or as we transitioned, if you will.

1441
01:32:48,911 --> 01:32:53,281
Um, but I do understand the challenge of
the, the creek.

1442
01:32:53,281 --> 01:32:58,743
Even when we were looking at this
originally and saying there's no way

1443
01:32:58,743 --> 01:32:59,757
originally and saying there's no way
they're going

1444
01:32:59,757 --> 01:33:03,971
to be able to, to give us that even with C
with 3 C's.

1445
01:33:03,971 --> 01:33:05,037
Mm-hmm.

1446
01:33:05,037 --> 01:33:07,934
So it sounds like for the east, it's a
stub.

1447
01:33:07,934 --> 01:33:13,135
And then when that little sliver should
get developed at any point, if it does,

1448
01:33:13,135 --> 01:33:16,493
then you would have your connectivity to
the south.

1449
01:33:16,493 --> 01:33:21,497
Again, that's just— it's one of those
pieces to this unique property is that

1450
01:33:21,497 --> 01:33:21,826
pieces to this unique property is that
there

1451
01:33:21,826 --> 01:33:23,209
is— I hate to say it,

1452
01:33:23,209 --> 01:33:28,542
but the density of what you would need to
actually financially be able to do what

1453
01:33:28,542 --> 01:33:33,612
the town would hope with a lot like this
is, is much heavier than, than what,

1454
01:33:33,612 --> 01:33:37,233
at least for myself, I would be willing to
allow to do.

1455
01:33:37,233 --> 01:33:40,920
So if you're looking for that connectivity
to the south,

1456
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:45,265
it really only comes from that property—
well, really to the east,

1457
01:33:45,265 --> 01:33:50,072
or the potential of the one— no, even the
west has some creek line in it.

1458
01:33:50,072 --> 01:33:52,376
So yeah, it's really just the east.

1459
01:33:52,376 --> 01:33:54,472
Just, uh, if you can imagine it,

1460
01:33:54,472 --> 01:33:59,844
Kidd Road and then the Ringman property
and then the creek and then the properties

1461
01:33:59,844 --> 01:34:03,316
to the south. The property to the south
continues up.

1462
01:34:03,316 --> 01:34:07,770
So if the property to the south, directly
south of us, is developed,

1463
01:34:07,770 --> 01:34:12,618
which it's been rezoned and we understand
it is going to be developed, um,

1464
01:34:12,618 --> 01:34:14,518
I can't speak for the owners,

1465
01:34:14,518 --> 01:34:19,562
but if the property directly to our south
is developed, they will presumably—

1466
01:34:19,562 --> 01:34:20,333
You—

1467
01:34:20,333 --> 01:34:22,283
it's not a separate parcel.

1468
01:34:22,283 --> 01:34:27,699
So they will presumably use that as a
driveway and we could connect to that

1469
01:34:27,699 --> 01:34:30,949
there. We thought that was a good
compromise.

1470
01:34:30,949 --> 01:34:33,176
I think I would support a 3L.

1471
01:34:33,176 --> 01:34:39,396
I have been fixated really since I started
getting into this on this idea that we

1472
01:34:39,396 --> 01:34:45,232
have got a lot of zoned property that just
cannot be developed to standards.

1473
01:34:45,232 --> 01:34:50,915
I mean, it's just not— they're to the
regulations, it's just not possible.

1474
01:34:50,915 --> 01:34:53,295
And so I'm sympathetic to that.

1475
01:34:53,295 --> 01:34:59,438
It's good to hear that you all think that
you might be able to get to 3L because

1476
01:34:59,438 --> 01:35:04,506
that was, that was kind of where I was at
before the last meeting.

1477
01:35:04,506 --> 01:35:09,114
I'm, I'm not comfortable with 3, and I
know it's, it's hard.

1478
01:35:09,114 --> 01:35:12,723
That's why I'm glad we're working through
this.

1479
01:35:13,012 --> 01:35:13,092
Yes.

1480
01:35:13,092 --> 01:35:19,465
At the Planning Commission because it is
hard to sit up here and say, you know, oh,

1481
01:35:19,465 --> 01:35:25,685
I trust you, you'll build to a certain
level when you have this ability to— well,

1482
01:35:25,685 --> 01:35:28,065
you have a theoretical ability,

1483
01:35:28,065 --> 01:35:32,902
hypothetical ability to go to what you
were allowed per zoning.

1484
01:35:32,902 --> 01:35:38,584
So I could— I believe I could get to 3L. I
appreciate you revisiting that.

1485
01:35:38,584 --> 01:35:41,963
Yeah, that's kind of where I'm at right
now.

1486
01:35:41,963 --> 01:35:45,238
One thing that we did think of,

1487
01:35:45,238 --> 01:35:51,155
I don't know if this is something that
Nolensville does,

1488
01:35:51,155 --> 01:35:56,543
but since there is that gap between CD-3
and CD-3L,

1489
01:35:56,543 --> 01:36:03,200
we would be willing to restrict the
property to a specific unit

1490
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:09,856
count in CD-3. But, you know, hard capped
at X number of units?

1491
01:36:09,856 --> 01:36:14,866
That's something that's under
consideration by the Planning Commission,

1492
01:36:14,866 --> 01:36:18,606
but right now we don't have the authority
to do that.

1493
01:36:18,606 --> 01:36:23,687
We do have the authority within the zoning
ordinance for a special zone,

1494
01:36:23,687 --> 01:36:28,344
but that zone then has to become available
for anyone else to use.

1495
01:36:28,344 --> 01:36:32,860
And I imagine Planning Commission has also
been discussing that.

1496
01:36:32,860 --> 01:36:37,729
And if there needs to be a different
transitional zone out from CD-3.

1497
01:36:37,729 --> 01:36:43,542
You are referencing the special district
discussions?

1498
01:36:43,542 --> 01:36:44,907
Yes.

1499
01:36:44,907 --> 01:36:49,571
I'm not sure I understand the provisions
as well as I would like to as they are

1500
01:36:49,571 --> 01:36:53,527
currently written as it relates to the
special district provisions.

1501
01:36:53,527 --> 01:36:56,066
So I'm not sure what guidance I could
give.

1502
01:36:57,030 --> 01:36:58,266
Charles says it's not helpful at all.

1503
01:36:58,266 --> 01:36:59,325
Yeah, there you go.

1504
01:36:59,454 --> 01:37:00,883
That's a, that's a better way to say it.

1505
01:37:00,883 --> 01:37:03,727
So this is kind of where I went back to,
um,

1506
01:37:03,727 --> 01:37:06,958
with the 2 properties that were currently
annexed.

1507
01:37:06,958 --> 01:37:10,449
They are, um, I won't— I don't want to say
in a hurry,

1508
01:37:10,449 --> 01:37:14,520
but willing to work through the Planning
Commission finalizing.

1509
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:19,045
We have a document that is not always
usable, as you have experienced,

1510
01:37:19,045 --> 01:37:24,280
and so we are trying to get to a place
Where not only is it maintaining the level

1511
01:37:24,280 --> 01:37:27,512
that we would like for development in
Nolensville,

1512
01:37:27,512 --> 01:37:32,876
but it is also something that developers
are able to come and build more easily and

1513
01:37:32,876 --> 01:37:36,431
understand. And so we are very much so in
that process.

1514
01:37:36,431 --> 01:37:41,860
And one of those is looking at if there is
a modification of standards to be allowed

1515
01:37:41,860 --> 01:37:45,803
and how that approval process— but we are
working through it.

1516
01:37:45,803 --> 01:37:48,388
And I would love to say that it will be—

1517
01:37:48,388 --> 01:37:48,696
Yes.

1518
01:37:49,244 --> 01:37:53,900
Done soon, but I'm going to say soonish
that it will be complete.

1519
01:37:53,900 --> 01:37:59,487
It is a very large document with a lot of
changes that are needing to be made.

1520
01:37:59,487 --> 01:38:03,427
So again, I don't disagree with
Commissioner Carpenter.

1521
01:38:03,427 --> 01:38:07,151
Just 3L, I think it eases my comfort level
a little,

1522
01:38:07,151 --> 01:38:10,518
but I don't know that I'm completely there
yet.

1523
01:38:10,518 --> 01:38:16,463
Working through just the piece of land is
where I'm having some issue with how many

1524
01:38:16,463 --> 01:38:20,188
units go there and what it could
potentially become.

1525
01:38:20,188 --> 01:38:24,271
So not a no, but definitely some more
information needed.

1526
01:38:24,271 --> 01:38:29,363
And we are very eager to keep having these
conversations as well.

1527
01:38:29,363 --> 01:38:35,943
Hopefully we can make everybody happy and
get to a place where everybody understands

1528
01:38:35,943 --> 01:38:37,901
what we are trying to do.

1529
01:38:37,901 --> 01:38:41,348
I will say if we are talking about the
code,

1530
01:38:41,348 --> 01:38:47,536
what something that we found when working
through CD-3 versus CD-3L is if CD-3L

1531
01:38:47,536 --> 01:38:53,255
provided a number of units per acre
instead of square footage, that would

1532
01:38:53,255 --> 01:38:53,803
instead of square footage, that would
really,

1533
01:38:53,803 --> 01:38:57,798
I think, make it easier for us to develop
in CD-3L.

1534
01:38:57,798 --> 01:38:59,724
Thank you. Appreciate that.

1535
01:38:59,724 --> 01:39:00,127
Yeah.

1536
01:39:00,434 --> 01:39:01,129
Thank you all very much.

1537
01:39:01,129 --> 01:39:02,390
Thank you, sir.

1538
01:39:02,390 --> 01:39:08,288
All right. The next item on the agenda is
our proposed agenda for September 3rd,

1539
01:39:08,288 --> 01:39:14,333
2020. 26. We will have recognition for the
Nolensville Little League baseball team

1540
01:39:14,333 --> 01:39:18,314
for District 7 champion, for Tennessee
state champion,

1541
01:39:18,314 --> 01:39:21,926
and the Southeast Little League region
runner-up.

1542
01:39:21,926 --> 01:39:27,308
We'll also have presentations for the
Buttercup Festival donation checks.

1543
01:39:27,308 --> 01:39:29,224
And Commissioner Struford,

1544
01:39:29,224 --> 01:39:35,048
you pointed out earlier that this should
be amended to also say the Nolensville

1545
01:39:35,048 --> 01:39:37,997
Library. Okay, he said yes very quietly.

1546
01:39:38,174 --> 01:39:41,799
Mayor, if you don't mind, can I just go
back to A for a quick second?

1547
01:39:41,799 --> 01:39:44,269
Montique, I sent you and Katie the
information.

1548
01:39:44,269 --> 01:39:48,314
Was it— I'm waiting for Coach's name.
Yeah, okay, but is there anything else?

1549
01:39:48,314 --> 01:39:50,547
That's all we would need to make. Okay,
perfect.

1550
01:39:50,612 --> 01:39:51,190
Okay, thank you.

1551
01:39:51,335 --> 01:39:51,804
Thank you for that.

1552
01:39:53,995 --> 01:39:58,429
And then we will have public hearing for
Ordinance

1553
01:39:58,429 --> 01:40:02,685
26-15. I see that Chuck is coming to the
podium.

1554
01:40:02,685 --> 01:40:06,991
Just a very quick reminder that we have an
amendment to that ordinance that we're

1555
01:40:06,991 --> 01:40:09,703
going to be introducing during the regular
meeting.

1556
01:40:09,703 --> 01:40:11,936
We'll try to get you that well in advance,

1557
01:40:11,936 --> 01:40:16,083
but it deals with the plumbing code and
specifically the plumbing permit fees.

1558
01:40:16,083 --> 01:40:19,857
We're going to try to match them up with
the new software that we have,

1559
01:40:19,857 --> 01:40:22,675
so we'll be mirroring what we do for
mechanical fees.

1560
01:40:24,155 --> 01:40:25,326
During the public hearing,

1561
01:40:25,326 --> 01:40:28,478
will we need to recognize you so that you
can share that at that time?

1562
01:40:28,478 --> 01:40:32,720
I'll make that available for the, for the
hearing so people can see that in advance.

1563
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:36,651
And then we also have public hearing for
Ordinance 26-17,

1564
01:40:36,651 --> 01:40:42,169
an ordinance amending the fiscal year 2027
budget by the Board of Commissioners.

1565
01:40:42,169 --> 01:40:45,410
Any item or discussion for this public
hearing?

1566
01:40:45,410 --> 01:40:51,065
And will our budget amendment for the fire
department be included in this So we'll

1567
01:40:51,065 --> 01:40:56,583
probably need to follow suit with how we
handle the plan review ordinance and at

1568
01:40:56,583 --> 01:40:59,686
least mention that during the public
hearing.

1569
01:40:59,686 --> 01:41:04,031
Is that something the fire department will
handle, or will, uh,

1570
01:41:04,031 --> 01:41:09,135
who will handle that in the public hearing
so that we know who to call on?

1571
01:41:09,135 --> 01:41:11,345
Christina.

1572
01:41:11,345 --> 01:41:14,886
Okay.

1573
01:41:17,886 --> 01:41:21,373
All right, the next item on the agenda is
our consent agenda.

1574
01:41:21,373 --> 01:41:23,145
Any questions about any of the—

1575
01:41:23,145 --> 01:41:27,776
either the budget report from the finance
director or any departmental reports or

1576
01:41:27,776 --> 01:41:29,434
reports from town committees?

1577
01:41:29,434 --> 01:41:34,133
Excited to see the new report from Public
Works.

1578
01:41:35,415 --> 01:41:35,886
Looks good.

1579
01:41:35,886 --> 01:41:40,462
You guys have been working hard on keeping
that grass mowed.

1580
01:41:40,462 --> 01:41:45,419
Um, the— this summer has been ridiculous
with the amount of rain,

1581
01:41:45,419 --> 01:41:47,554
and you're doing a good job.

1582
01:41:47,554 --> 01:41:53,808
I don't know how you're keeping up with it
because my husband has not kept up with

1583
01:41:53,808 --> 01:41:54,494
our yard.

1584
01:41:54,494 --> 01:41:59,700
Yeah, we've been working very hard to
implement the new work order system.

1585
01:41:59,700 --> 01:42:04,062
If you've seen the reports, we had a total
of 258 work orders.

1586
01:42:04,062 --> 01:42:07,369
The majority of those were obviously
completed.

1587
01:42:07,369 --> 01:42:10,745
Right now our average completion time is 3
days.

1588
01:42:10,745 --> 01:42:14,263
Um, we spent Friday logging our sidewalk
sections.

1589
01:42:14,263 --> 01:42:18,906
We have a total of 42 sidewalk sections
that need to be completed.

1590
01:42:18,906 --> 01:42:22,846
Because we're putting in those sidewalk
work orders now,

1591
01:42:22,846 --> 01:42:26,786
you are going to see an increase to the
work order time.

1592
01:42:26,786 --> 01:42:29,952
We are very, very busy with mowing right
now,

1593
01:42:29,952 --> 01:42:35,580
but we will be working to get to those
sidewalk sections as quickly as possible.

1594
01:42:35,580 --> 01:42:35,844
Thank you.

1595
01:42:36,940 --> 01:42:39,024
And then as the mowing season dies down,

1596
01:42:39,024 --> 01:42:42,098
we will be able to get to those sections
much more quickly.

1597
01:42:42,098 --> 01:42:45,297
Thank you, Kyle.

1598
01:42:45,297 --> 01:42:48,972
Mayor, I'll just give you some feedback
about mowing.

1599
01:42:48,972 --> 01:42:52,923
When Will turns to be about 16 and wants
gas money, that,

1600
01:42:52,923 --> 01:42:57,846
that's a great incentive to get the yard
mowed around the family house.

1601
01:42:57,846 --> 01:43:00,092
He, he actually already does mow now.

1602
01:43:00,092 --> 01:43:04,039
Um, he, he actually knows how to use his
Your turn as well, Kyle.

1603
01:43:04,039 --> 01:43:08,167
We've just got a lot of grass, man. We've
got a lot of grass to mow.

1604
01:43:08,167 --> 01:43:10,780
Have you considered a goat?

1605
01:43:10,780 --> 01:43:17,881
I have, actually, I have, but I'm not very
good with farm animals and/or plants.

1606
01:43:17,881 --> 01:43:20,722
Okay, any other comments on the—

1607
01:43:20,722 --> 01:43:25,515
do we want to talk through the capital
project update?

1608
01:43:25,612 --> 01:43:25,952
Do we—

1609
01:43:26,259 --> 01:43:29,645
there was some good information in Enoch's
as well.

1610
01:43:29,645 --> 01:43:33,097
Is there anything else anyone wants to
talk through?

1611
01:43:33,097 --> 01:43:38,541
I do want to recognize the TAPS committee
for the grant that they got notification

1612
01:43:38,541 --> 01:43:40,068
in the last week or so.

1613
01:43:40,068 --> 01:43:43,852
It is also a component of the 30th
birthday for the town,

1614
01:43:43,852 --> 01:43:48,963
and that it is visual storytelling for
interviewing people from Nolensville's

1615
01:43:48,963 --> 01:43:49,295
interviewing people from Nolensville's
past.

1616
01:43:49,295 --> 01:43:54,739
There's several different individuals that
were identified that were a part of the

1617
01:43:54,739 --> 01:43:56,465
incorporation of the town,

1618
01:43:56,465 --> 01:44:01,511
and I think it will be a really special
and unique way to recognize the 30th

1619
01:44:01,511 --> 01:44:06,490
birthday and capture some of those stories
that we won't have the luxury of

1620
01:44:06,490 --> 01:44:11,004
capturing forever. So, uh, TAPS committee
is, is doing great things.

1621
01:44:11,004 --> 01:44:13,062
All right, unfinished business.

1622
01:44:13,062 --> 01:44:15,850
We have second reading of Ordinance 26-17,

1623
01:44:15,850 --> 01:44:21,095
an ordinance amending the fiscal year '27
budget by the Board of Commissioners.

1624
01:44:21,095 --> 01:44:22,622
Any discussion on this?

1625
01:44:22,622 --> 01:44:28,132
We'll have New business, Ordinance 26-18,
an ordinance to amend Title 3, Chapter 2,

1626
01:44:28,132 --> 01:44:32,381
Section 3-205 to establish collection of
unpaid fines and costs.

1627
01:44:32,381 --> 01:44:36,032
Any discussion on this item or
presentation from staff?

1628
01:44:36,032 --> 01:44:38,855
Able to answer any questions you have.

1629
01:44:38,855 --> 01:44:44,351
The ordinance is to provide a mechanism
for us to be able to enter into an

1630
01:44:44,351 --> 01:44:45,019
for us to be able to enter into an
agreement

1631
01:44:45,019 --> 01:44:49,699
with a third-party consultant To collect
unpaid fines and fees.

1632
01:44:49,699 --> 01:44:53,338
You can see the dollar value in the staff
report.

1633
01:44:53,338 --> 01:44:57,572
This goes back many, many years before our
current staff.

1634
01:44:57,572 --> 01:45:03,737
Typically, the success rate declines over
time because the information that we have

1635
01:45:03,737 --> 01:45:05,668
on the defendant gets old,

1636
01:45:05,668 --> 01:45:11,833
but we're going to do everything we can to
engage a third-party consultant with the

1637
01:45:11,833 --> 01:45:17,107
intent of trying to collect Collect as
much of that bad debt as we can.

1638
01:45:17,107 --> 01:45:21,118
This is the first critical step to making
that happen.

1639
01:45:21,118 --> 01:45:25,052
Is there any objection to this being on
the consent agenda?

1640
01:45:25,052 --> 01:45:28,319
The next item on the agenda is Resolution
26-091,

1641
01:45:28,319 --> 01:45:33,719
a resolution to approve vendor services
agreement between Town of Nolensville and

1642
01:45:33,719 --> 01:45:38,320
Steelhead Building Group, LLC for
construction of Chrisman Brown Park

1643
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:38,853
construction of Chrisman Brown Park
project.

1644
01:45:41,152 --> 01:45:45,274
As you recall, we have gone through a
request for proposal process.

1645
01:45:45,274 --> 01:45:49,580
We had a number of qualified contractors
that proposed on the project.

1646
01:45:49,580 --> 01:45:52,841
The low apparent bidder was Steelhead
Building Group.

1647
01:45:52,841 --> 01:45:56,963
We have gone through, done the proper due
diligence on the company.

1648
01:45:56,963 --> 01:46:01,392
Everything was found to be in good order.
We have negotiated a contract.

1649
01:46:01,392 --> 01:46:04,530
That contract is before you for your
consideration.

1650
01:46:04,530 --> 01:46:05,269
Thank you.

1651
01:46:05,686 --> 01:46:10,061
You can see that we basically in the
contract, we reflected not only the base

1652
01:46:10,061 --> 01:46:10,288
contract, we reflected not only the base
bid,

1653
01:46:10,288 --> 01:46:14,436
but also alternate bids for alternate
number 1 to enlarge the restroom to

1654
01:46:14,436 --> 01:46:14,834
number 1 to enlarge the restroom to
include

1655
01:46:14,834 --> 01:46:16,254
that overhang porch area.

1656
01:46:16,254 --> 01:46:17,902
We think that was beneficial,

1657
01:46:17,902 --> 01:46:21,936
especially with the inclement weather to
give people a place of refuge.

1658
01:46:21,936 --> 01:46:26,197
And then also substituting the shingle
roof for a standing seam metal roof,

1659
01:46:26,197 --> 01:46:29,038
which we think will be a much more durable
finish,

1660
01:46:29,038 --> 01:46:32,390
especially given Some of the hail events
that we have here.

1661
01:46:32,390 --> 01:46:36,026
Hopefully that'll hold up a little bit
better on the investment.

1662
01:46:36,026 --> 01:46:40,174
The contract, as you can see, the dollar
amounts that are provided in it,

1663
01:46:40,174 --> 01:46:44,606
we are anticipating issuing a notice to
proceed around the middle of September

1664
01:46:44,606 --> 01:46:46,197
following contract approval.

1665
01:46:46,197 --> 01:46:50,856
We have to first submit documentation to
the state to get their concurrence on the

1666
01:46:50,856 --> 01:46:52,390
contract instrument itself.

1667
01:46:52,390 --> 01:46:56,367
Once we receive that, we'll issue a notice
to proceed soon after that.

1668
01:46:56,367 --> 01:46:56,575
Thank you.

1669
01:46:57,572 --> 01:47:01,387
Contractor has 304 days, roughly 10 months
to complete the work.

1670
01:47:01,387 --> 01:47:04,545
That would put the completion date
sometime mid-July.

1671
01:47:04,545 --> 01:47:08,837
We are hopeful that they will finish well
in advance of that, but again,

1672
01:47:08,837 --> 01:47:11,221
that is the contract terms that we have.

1673
01:47:11,221 --> 01:47:15,632
There is a liquidated damage provision in
this contract that was provided.

1674
01:47:15,632 --> 01:47:20,579
So again, part of one of the concerns you
all had expressed was making sure that we

1675
01:47:20,579 --> 01:47:21,115
had some—

1676
01:47:21,115 --> 01:47:21,196
Yes.

1677
01:47:22,170 --> 01:47:25,024
Additional mechanisms to ensure timely
delivery.

1678
01:47:25,024 --> 01:47:28,651
Happy to address any other questions you
might have, but, uh,

1679
01:47:28,651 --> 01:47:33,587
staff's recommendation is to approve the
resolution that would approve the contract

1680
01:47:33,587 --> 01:47:36,143
and also authorize the mayor for
signature.

1681
01:47:36,143 --> 01:47:38,641
We've included also a project contingency.

1682
01:47:38,641 --> 01:47:43,398
Uh, if you recall the geotechnical work
that we have for the bridge abutment and

1683
01:47:43,398 --> 01:47:47,441
foundation systems, we would be using
money out of that contingency.

1684
01:47:47,441 --> 01:47:47,665
Thank you.

1685
01:47:47,835 --> 01:47:51,393
for that purpose. Happy to address any
questions you might have.

1686
01:47:51,393 --> 01:47:55,563
And we also have James Polland here in
case you want to put a face with the

1687
01:47:55,563 --> 01:47:59,844
contractor. They've done a lot of good
work here and around Middle Tennessee,

1688
01:47:59,844 --> 01:48:02,957
so if you have any specific questions of
the contractor,

1689
01:48:02,957 --> 01:48:06,293
I'm sure he could step up and address
those for you as well.

1690
01:48:06,293 --> 01:48:12,535
I think the only change to the contract I
would request is that we have a staff

1691
01:48:12,535 --> 01:48:18,540
member be where official notices are
delivered as opposed to the, the mayor,

1692
01:48:18,540 --> 01:48:23,438
just because as mayor I'm not here all the
time, but staff is.

1693
01:48:23,438 --> 01:48:29,917
And so I noticed on page 7 and 8 there's
notices and other communications shall be

1694
01:48:29,917 --> 01:48:35,132
deemed sufficiently given if they're
delivered to— it has my name.

1695
01:48:35,132 --> 01:48:37,739
So my preference would be not me.

1696
01:48:37,739 --> 01:48:43,020
Okay, we could put the town manager in
your

1697
01:48:43,020 --> 01:48:48,423
place if you'd like. It's usually
customary.

1698
01:48:48,423 --> 01:48:50,233
Or assistant town manager, one of the two.

1699
01:48:50,233 --> 01:48:50,992
Yeah, you're the—

1700
01:48:51,041 --> 01:48:51,251
you're the—

1701
01:48:51,267 --> 01:48:52,349
you're the executive.

1702
01:48:52,349 --> 01:48:54,561
We could put Tyler. I mean, I think Tyler
would do great. Just not—

1703
01:48:54,561 --> 01:48:56,094
Yeah, I'm here. I'm here often.

1704
01:48:56,094 --> 01:48:59,791
I know other contracts have had the
mayor's name.

1705
01:48:59,791 --> 01:49:02,189
Yeah, you're the executive leader within
the group.

1706
01:49:02,189 --> 01:49:06,797
So we frequently do town Manager too.
Okay, it's fine. You can do that.

1707
01:49:06,797 --> 01:49:09,653
All right, I should have kept my mouth
shut.

1708
01:49:09,878 --> 01:49:10,184
Hopefully—

1709
01:49:10,361 --> 01:49:11,245
any other questions?

1710
01:49:11,245 --> 01:49:14,060
Hopefully we won't have any notices that
will need to come,

1711
01:49:14,060 --> 01:49:15,777
so good smooth construction process.

1712
01:49:15,777 --> 01:49:20,649
Okay, any objections to that being on the
consent agenda?

1713
01:49:20,649 --> 01:49:25,350
If it's on consent agenda, then it's
definitely Monday.

1714
01:49:25,982 --> 01:49:28,656
Well, no, let's just take it off the menu.
Have the—

1715
01:49:29,223 --> 01:49:29,466
yeah.

1716
01:49:29,807 --> 01:49:30,034
Okay.

1717
01:49:31,170 --> 01:49:34,023
All right. Number 3 is Resolution 26-092,

1718
01:49:34,023 --> 01:49:38,964
a resolution to enter into a professional
services agreement with Civil

1719
01:49:38,964 --> 01:49:43,069
Infrastructure Associates for servicing
surveying services.

1720
01:49:43,069 --> 01:49:47,523
This is for surveying for Baronswood and
the area for sidewalks.

1721
01:49:47,523 --> 01:49:50,028
Any questions or discussion on this?

1722
01:49:50,028 --> 01:49:53,403
One of the things that we owe you is a
professional services agreement to

1723
01:49:53,403 --> 01:49:53,819
professional services agreement to
accompany

1724
01:49:53,819 --> 01:49:57,378
the resolution. We will be preparing that
to include with the agenda package.

1725
01:49:57,378 --> 01:49:59,782
Happy to address any other questions you
might have.

1726
01:49:59,782 --> 01:50:05,972
I think the value was around $16,000 for
the contract plus a $10,000 contingency.

1727
01:50:05,972 --> 01:50:12,161
And I just want to point out that this
project is funded through sidewalk in lieu

1728
01:50:12,161 --> 01:50:12,314
project is funded through sidewalk in lieu
of

1729
01:50:12,314 --> 01:50:17,205
payments that were made by development
along the Kidd Road area,

1730
01:50:17,205 --> 01:50:22,630
also fees that were Specifically allocated
from the Beezer development,

1731
01:50:22,630 --> 01:50:26,145
some of which had to be used on certain
roads.

1732
01:50:26,145 --> 01:50:30,424
So this wasn't just, oh, let's put
sidewalks everywhere.

1733
01:50:30,424 --> 01:50:36,079
It was specifically tied to certain
development that impacted these areas.

1734
01:50:36,079 --> 01:50:40,129
Any discussion or concern with this being
on consent?

1735
01:50:40,129 --> 01:50:46,395
I guess you don't want it on consent, do
you, Chuck? Are you okay with it consent?

1736
01:50:46,395 --> 01:50:48,501
You haven't seen the agreement yet.

1737
01:50:48,501 --> 01:50:52,472
So it might be appropriate to keep that on
the regular part of the

1738
01:50:52,472 --> 01:50:54,458
agenda, but that's your decision.

1739
01:50:54,458 --> 01:50:57,000
Okay, next one is Resolution 26-094,

1740
01:50:57,000 --> 01:51:02,930
a resolution accepting a $10,000 donation
from the Tennessee Internet Crimes Against

1741
01:51:02,930 --> 01:51:08,790
Children Clearinghouse for internet crimes
against children investigative purposes.

1742
01:51:08,790 --> 01:51:13,168
Any discussion or presentation about this
particular donation?

1743
01:51:13,168 --> 01:51:16,133
I think it's a shame that we to have this.

1744
01:51:16,133 --> 01:51:21,146
I, I appreciate that there are donations
for investigating these areas.

1745
01:51:21,146 --> 01:51:25,876
I hate that this is an issue in, in our
community or any community.

1746
01:51:25,876 --> 01:51:31,254
So this is through the Tennessee Office of
Criminal Justice Programs.

1747
01:51:31,254 --> 01:51:37,178
It's a $10,000 grant, and the funds go
specifically to specialized training,

1748
01:51:37,178 --> 01:51:42,557
any travel or investigative services that
go in line with ICAT cases.

1749
01:51:42,557 --> 01:51:48,403
Uh, there should also be a forensic
computer that they're donating as well.

1750
01:51:48,403 --> 01:51:54,327
A ballpark of between $2,000 and $3,000 is
estimated value of that forensic.

1751
01:51:57,005 --> 01:52:01,562
So any questions or comments about this
donation?

1752
01:52:01,562 --> 01:52:03,607
Thank you, Lieutenant.

1753
01:52:03,607 --> 01:52:07,234
Any objection to this being on consent?

1754
01:52:09,150 --> 01:52:09,234
No.

1755
01:52:09,234 --> 01:52:11,940
The next item is Resolution 26-095,

1756
01:52:11,940 --> 01:52:18,124
a resolution to authorize the purchase of
a zero-turn mower for the Public Works

1757
01:52:18,124 --> 01:52:21,989
Department. Any questions or objection to
consent?

1758
01:52:21,989 --> 01:52:25,158
You're welcome to talk if you want, Kyle,

1759
01:52:25,158 --> 01:52:28,482
but you don't have to if you don't want
to.

1760
01:52:28,482 --> 01:52:30,183
Just, just so you're aware,

1761
01:52:30,183 --> 01:52:33,901
I believe we had $15,500 budgeted for that
zero-turn mower.

1762
01:52:33,901 --> 01:52:36,170
We can always use a zero-turn mower.

1763
01:52:36,170 --> 01:52:39,509
It'll help us get those work orders done
even faster.

1764
01:52:39,509 --> 01:52:43,353
When the multi-purpose field comes on at
Christen Braun Park,

1765
01:52:43,353 --> 01:52:46,315
it will also be dedicated to that
specifically.

1766
01:52:46,315 --> 01:52:49,135
I know when we talked about budgeting for
it,

1767
01:52:49,135 --> 01:52:54,275
there was some concern about if we used a
mower that you all used for right-of-way

1768
01:52:54,275 --> 01:52:58,725
mowing in the park area that we would get
weeds in the multi-use field.

1769
01:52:58,725 --> 01:53:01,921
So like, are we no longer concerned about
that, or—

1770
01:53:01,921 --> 01:53:05,101
Well, we are. What we would have to do is
clean it up very well, uh,

1771
01:53:05,101 --> 01:53:08,656
get it cleaned up, and then once it's
being used on that field, that's what—

1772
01:53:08,656 --> 01:53:09,965
that's what it would be for.

1773
01:53:09,965 --> 01:53:15,038
Okay. Any other questions or objection to
consent?

1774
01:53:16,423 --> 01:53:16,664
No, ma'am.

1775
01:53:18,016 --> 01:53:20,234
The next item is Resolution 26-096,

1776
01:53:20,234 --> 01:53:25,305
the resolution to accept the Judy Housley
Safety Partners matching grant program

1777
01:53:25,305 --> 01:53:29,868
from Public Entity Partners for the
purchase of police safety equipment.

1778
01:53:29,868 --> 01:53:33,925
I would like to disclose that I work for
Public Entity Partners,

1779
01:53:33,925 --> 01:53:36,777
but this is a grant giving money to the
town.

1780
01:53:36,777 --> 01:53:41,784
I don't have a financial interest or
involvement in administration of the grant

1781
01:53:41,784 --> 01:53:44,066
programs for Public Entity Partners.

1782
01:53:44,066 --> 01:53:47,679
Any questions about the grant or what
we're applying for?

1783
01:53:47,679 --> 01:53:52,623
I'm not going to put that on consent
because I'll say that in the meeting too.

1784
01:53:52,623 --> 01:53:57,313
All right, the next item would be
appointments to the Historic Nolensville

1785
01:53:57,313 --> 01:53:57,883
appointments to the Historic Nolensville
Buttercup

1786
01:53:57,883 --> 01:54:01,369
Committee, and we would make those in the
live meeting.

1787
01:54:01,369 --> 01:54:06,313
I know the TAPS committee member still
wants to be on the Buttercup Committee,

1788
01:54:06,313 --> 01:54:11,004
and I believe I understand that everybody
that served previously from town

1789
01:54:11,004 --> 01:54:13,032
committees wants to continue on,

1790
01:54:13,032 --> 01:54:18,229
but I do believe at least one member of
the Buttercup Festival committee is moving

1791
01:54:18,229 --> 01:54:19,750
out of town, and so, um,

1792
01:54:19,750 --> 01:54:24,694
maybe we can get some information before
the voting meeting just to confirm so

1793
01:54:24,694 --> 01:54:27,610
everybody is clear about who wants to stay
on.

1794
01:54:27,610 --> 01:54:32,173
And Tracy, you're welcome to come up and
share if you want to share now,

1795
01:54:32,173 --> 01:54:33,631
or you can do it later.

1796
01:54:33,631 --> 01:54:35,879
I have no new information.

1797
01:54:35,879 --> 01:54:41,274
Okay, that takes us to other. Any other
items that we need to review?

1798
01:54:41,274 --> 01:54:46,122
I know this was a really tough couple
weeks for our community,

1799
01:54:46,122 --> 01:54:48,937
and I know it's also tough on staff,

1800
01:54:48,937 --> 01:54:55,036
and I don't really think there's the right
words to share for the tragedy that

1801
01:54:55,036 --> 01:54:59,023
happened in our community a little over a
week ago,

1802
01:54:59,023 --> 01:55:05,278
but I'm thankful to the first responders
that were there to serve the community,

1803
01:55:05,278 --> 01:55:10,361
and I know that tragedies like the loss of
life impact everybody,

1804
01:55:10,361 --> 01:55:16,616
from children that go to school to anybody
that lives in the neighborhood or the

1805
01:55:16,616 --> 01:55:22,089
broader community. So like I said, there's
really not the right words,

1806
01:55:22,089 --> 01:55:27,719
but I'm appreciative for everyone who
stepped up to serve the community.

1807
01:55:27,719 --> 01:55:29,475
Yeah, thank you for that.

1808
01:55:29,475 --> 01:55:35,118
I don't have anything to add, but I do
appreciate you bringing that up.

1809
01:55:38,118 --> 01:55:42,247
I have one, one thing that I just wanted
to bring up.

1810
01:55:42,247 --> 01:55:44,974
When I removed Lance Sutton's item,

1811
01:55:44,974 --> 01:55:51,207
I did not know that we had a guest in the
audience for that item that drove here

1812
01:55:51,207 --> 01:55:52,454
from Cincinnati.

1813
01:55:52,454 --> 01:55:54,113
Amen.

1814
01:55:54,113 --> 01:55:58,305
And so I wanted to just recognize him.

1815
01:55:58,305 --> 01:56:01,504
Carlton Smith, is that right,

1816
01:56:01,504 --> 01:56:07,901
is with the National Fire Safety Council,
is that correct?

1817
01:56:07,901 --> 01:56:13,527
Lance's presentation was going to be
wrapped around

1818
01:56:13,527 --> 01:56:19,263
basically a, a, almost a fundraiser type
of a thing.

1819
01:56:19,263 --> 01:56:24,294
Yeah, we would welcome you to the podium.

1820
01:56:27,294 --> 01:56:30,543
Lance and Chief Weingart have the
information.

1821
01:56:30,543 --> 01:56:33,438
They may have already shared it with you,

1822
01:56:33,438 --> 01:56:37,605
but we're a 501 nonprofit and we've been
around since 1955.

1823
01:56:37,605 --> 01:56:42,478
We used to do the missing and exploited
children on the milk cartons.

1824
01:56:42,478 --> 01:56:47,280
I don't know if any of you are old enough
to remember that, but, uh,

1825
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:49,964
they used to get at the grocery store.

1826
01:56:49,964 --> 01:56:55,614
We help departments Raise money to provide
materials for child safety education,

1827
01:56:55,614 --> 01:57:00,486
fire safety education. And we do that
through fundraising through the

1828
01:57:00,486 --> 01:57:01,263
through fundraising through the
department.

1829
01:57:01,263 --> 01:57:06,984
Basically what happens is we have a letter
format that goes out under the chief's

1830
01:57:06,984 --> 01:57:09,032
signature on your letterhead.

1831
01:57:09,032 --> 01:57:13,199
So it's coming from you or from the chief
to the community.

1832
01:57:13,199 --> 01:57:16,588
And, um, If the business— it goes to
businesses.

1833
01:57:16,588 --> 01:57:22,168
If the business wants to make a donation
to help support fire safety education,

1834
01:57:22,168 --> 01:57:27,040
they return a check and it comes here
first. And then it comes to me.

1835
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:31,702
So there's no, it's all transparent.
There's no smoke and mirrors.

1836
01:57:31,702 --> 01:57:36,504
Um, the money goes into an account
specifically for your department.

1837
01:57:36,504 --> 01:57:42,083
And then we have materials, which I've
given them samples to, Uh, look at that,

1838
01:57:42,083 --> 01:57:47,592
of the materials that we have, and they
can choose from those products to, uh,

1839
01:57:47,592 --> 01:57:50,487
get the information out to the community.

1840
01:57:50,487 --> 01:57:55,007
So it's, uh, I just, uh, wanted to make
sure that, uh, you know,

1841
01:57:55,007 --> 01:57:57,055
I appreciate the opportunity.

1842
01:57:57,055 --> 01:58:02,846
I'm sorry Lance isn't feeling well, and I
just wanted to put a face with the name.

1843
01:58:02,846 --> 01:58:07,790
I'm the contact. So, uh, from the time the
decision is made Yes or no.

1844
01:58:07,790 --> 01:58:12,733
If it's yes, then every phone call comes
to me. I handle the ordering.

1845
01:58:12,733 --> 01:58:18,595
I handle helping design the products that
you might want to take to the kids if you

1846
01:58:18,595 --> 01:58:22,196
want my help. And if not, then it's, it's
all good.

1847
01:58:22,196 --> 01:58:24,598
But we appreciate the opportunity,

1848
01:58:24,598 --> 01:58:29,965
and I'm sure they'll have an opportunity
to bring that to you in the future.

1849
01:58:29,965 --> 01:58:35,191
But just wanted to put a face with the
name and let you know I'm your guy.

1850
01:58:35,191 --> 01:58:39,695
So any of the funds that happen to be
donated from this community come right

1851
01:58:39,695 --> 01:58:40,110
donated from this community come right
back to

1852
01:58:40,110 --> 01:58:42,244
this community through, through you?

1853
01:58:42,244 --> 01:58:46,072
Exactly right. They can, they stay in your
fund balance.

1854
01:58:46,072 --> 01:58:51,063
The only thing that happens the first
year, uh, postage is free up to 500

1855
01:58:51,063 --> 01:58:51,678
year, uh, postage is free up to 500
mailings.

1856
01:58:51,678 --> 01:58:53,729
After that, we deduct postage.

1857
01:58:53,729 --> 01:58:57,147
So if we mailed, it's $1.28 this year per
mailing,

1858
01:58:57,147 --> 01:59:02,617
and that includes the envelope we mail it
in, the check return. Return envelope.

1859
01:59:02,617 --> 01:59:06,172
They send their check back in as well as
the letter.

1860
01:59:06,172 --> 01:59:11,025
And if they make a donation, we send a
thank you note under the chief's

1861
01:59:11,025 --> 01:59:11,709
thank you note under the chief's
signature,

1862
01:59:11,709 --> 01:59:16,700
thanking them for their donation and
giving them a tax deductible receipt

1863
01:59:16,700 --> 01:59:17,383
giving them a tax deductible receipt
because it

1864
01:59:17,383 --> 01:59:22,169
is tax deductible. So that's all included
for your $1.28 per donation.

1865
01:59:22,169 --> 01:59:27,364
So if we mailed 100 letters, it would be
$128. If we mail 1,000, it would be

1866
01:59:27,364 --> 01:59:27,843
$128. If we mail 1,000, it would be
$1,280.

1867
01:59:27,843 --> 01:59:27,955
Okay.

1868
01:59:28,020 --> 01:59:30,253
Yeah, it won't happen here.

1869
01:59:30,253 --> 01:59:36,374
But, um, other than that, the funds go
into your account. They stay there.

1870
01:59:36,374 --> 01:59:42,330
Uh, if you don't spend them all this year,
it can roll to the next year.

1871
01:59:42,330 --> 01:59:45,060
Uh, so it's not, it never leaves.

1872
01:59:45,060 --> 01:59:49,940
And if you decided you didn't want to
continue the program,

1873
01:59:49,940 --> 01:59:56,640
then until you spend the money, it stays
there. We can't give it to anybody else.

1874
01:59:56,640 --> 01:59:58,625
And so it's, it's yours.

1875
01:59:58,625 --> 02:00:04,002
The, uh, I lost my train of thought for a
second, but, um, sorry.

1876
02:00:04,002 --> 02:00:08,551
Any other questions while I'm trying to
think about it?

1877
02:00:08,551 --> 02:00:10,946
It happens to us all the time.

1878
02:00:10,946 --> 02:00:15,034
Uh, so I'm sure there'll be questions. Oh,
I know what it was.

1879
02:00:15,034 --> 02:00:20,242
There's no contract, no commitment other
than to say Yeah, we'll give it a try.

1880
02:00:20,242 --> 02:00:23,341
If you try it for a year and you don't
like it,

1881
02:00:23,341 --> 02:00:27,626
you can say it's not for us and we won't
mail for you any longer.

1882
02:00:27,626 --> 02:00:30,527
If you do like it, then we just continue
on.

1883
02:00:30,527 --> 02:00:34,087
We have a— we enjoy a 95% renewal rate
year over year,

1884
02:00:34,087 --> 02:00:38,241
and we service about 2,000 fire
departments across the country.

1885
02:00:38,241 --> 02:00:40,214
Okay.

1886
02:00:40,294 --> 02:00:41,032
I think it sounds good.

1887
02:00:41,032 --> 02:00:41,978
Thank you.

1888
02:00:42,042 --> 02:00:43,789
Sounds like a wonderful program,

1889
02:00:43,789 --> 02:00:47,556
and I think another opportunity for us to
provide an service in town.

1890
02:00:47,556 --> 02:00:50,559
Like Victor said, donation is from here
but stays here,

1891
02:00:50,559 --> 02:00:52,962
and we are able to provide that to
families.

1892
02:00:52,962 --> 02:00:55,637
So thank you both to the department and
yourself.

1893
02:00:55,637 --> 02:00:59,239
And there's no— again, if they don't want
to make a donation,

1894
02:00:59,239 --> 02:01:03,609
they throw it in the trash and they hear
not back from us until next year.

1895
02:01:03,609 --> 02:01:08,097
Um, so thank you very much. Have a good
evening. I appreciate you letting me

1896
02:01:08,097 --> 02:01:09,524
evening. I appreciate you letting me
speak.

1897
02:01:12,524 --> 02:01:17,019
All right, any other items before we

1898
02:01:17,019 --> 02:01:21,764
adjourn? Is there a motion to adjourn?

1899
02:01:21,764 --> 02:01:24,399
Motion to adjourn.

1900
02:01:24,399 --> 02:01:25,817
Second.

1901
02:01:25,817 --> 02:01:28,556
All in favor of adjournment signify by
saying aye.

1902
02:01:28,556 --> 02:01:28,910
Aye.

1903
02:01:28,910 --> 02:01:29,974
All opposed?

1904
02:01:30,328 --> 02:01:32,068
Motion passes unanimously. We are
adjourned.