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We will call to order the regular work
session agenda for September 21st, 2026,

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at 5:12 PM, with all 5 commissioners
present. We do have a quorum.

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Please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance
to start the meeting.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America,

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and to the republic for which it stands,
one nation under God, indivisible,

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with liberty and justice for all.

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Next item on the agenda is approval of the
agenda. Is there a motion?

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Motion to approve.

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Second.

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Any discussion on the agenda?

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We do have a consultant in the audience
for Resolution 26-103,

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so I would make a motion to move that item
up, um,

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in front of unfinished business. Is there
a second?

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Second.

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Motion and a second to move item I under
new business.

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Any discussion? All in favor of the
amendment signify by

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saying aye.

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Aye.

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All opposed? Takes us back to the main
motion as amended.

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Any other changes to the agenda?

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All in favor of the agenda as amended
signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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All opposed? Motion passes unanimously.

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The next item on the agenda is approval of
the minutes for the work session for

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August 24th, 2026. Is there a motion?

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Motion to approve.

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Second.

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We have a motion and a second. Any
amendments to the minutes?

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All in favor signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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All opposed? Motion passes unanimously.
That takes us to citizen comments.

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Thank you, Chuck. Which no one has signed
up for citizen comments,

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but if you would like to speak, now is
your opportunity.

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Seeing none, we will move into our
discussion items.

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The first discussion item is police fleet
program with Lieutenant Hoffer,

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also known as Chief Armour.

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Thank you. Uh, this is something we've
been discussing for a while in-house.

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Um, there's a lot of mixed emotion. That's
one reason we're bringing it to you.

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Over the last 8, 9 years,

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the police department has been trying to
Band-Aid some police vehicles,

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and we are at a critical stage right now
where we have 8 that need to go.

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They're not suitable for work.

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I've got one outside right now without a
transmission, getting ready to—

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transmission's about to go out on it.

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We've been able to identify these vehicles
and we're trying to take them out of

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fleet. Y'all approved for me to have 2
vehicles this year for replacements,

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but I am in need of more.

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So I started looking at alternative Uh,

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ways to make it as easy as possible on all
of us to obtain the vehicles and why we

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need to do it this year instead of pushing
this off.

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The state contract runs out this year.
It'll be rebid next year.

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So the price of the cars are going to go
up.

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Uh, that's another reason I'm trying to
push this one.

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I originally was going to ask for 5
vehicles tonight.

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Uh, we totaled one the other night during
an incident, so I'm needing 6.

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Okay.

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I will make do, even though I said I got 8
of these to roll out.

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Trying to set up something that you all
will know will happen— excuse me—

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that y'all will have every year a process
for fleet management.

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So I've looked at several ways of how we
can finance this.

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I'm going to rely on Christina over here,
because I think things very KISS simple.

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Yes.

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So we can— I looked at 3 places:
Enterprise, I looked at Ford Motor Credit,

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and I looked at Bancor.

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Enterprise is strictly a lease-type
program, and at the end of the lease,

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you have to buy the vehicle or you have to
roll it back in at fair market price.

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There's also some fees in there. Now, I
didn't think that would be applicable to

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didn't think that would be applicable to
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I thought it was a bad decision. So I
looked at Ford Motor Credit.

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Ford Motor Credit has a 7% interest rate.

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It's strictly a loan, and that would throw
off our balance.

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What's that terminology, Christina?

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Our debt ratio.

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Our debt ratio balance.

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It would impact that, uh, which is With
the debt, uh,

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the general fund, if we did as far as like
a loan,

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it would have an impact on the debt ratio
fund.

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We just need to be mindful of that.

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Thank you.

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The third, and what I'm recommending we go
with, is a company called Bancor.

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It is strictly a lease program.

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At the end of the lease, they will give
us—

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we have the option of buying the vehicle
for a dollar.

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So it is a true lease program so that it
will not impact our debt ratio.

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Uh, what I'd like to do, uh, we budget
$58,000 a year for a marked patrol unit.

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That's upfitting all— that's buying a
vehicle at state contract price,

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usually around $45,000, $46,000.

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And then by the time we put blue lights,
sirens, radios, and all that stuff,

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it kicks it up to about $58,000.

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What I'd like to do,

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if with y'all willing to discuss this is
go on and order the 6 vehicles,

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buy one outright this year so we'll have
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That 5th vehicle, then we will take the
second payment this year,

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or the second vehicle that y'all have
already authorized,

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and we'll make that first payment for this
year.

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So that will leave us with 5 payments.

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Um, every year I will budget specifically
a recurring cost.

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There's some savings here that we're going
to have.

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Bancorp is 5 and some change for
percentage right now.

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Things will change, I'm sure, when we get
ready to do a contract.

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Everything that we have out here that
needs to be gone,

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I would like to go on and surplus that.

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And even though it doesn't actually go
towards the purchase price of the vehicle,

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it'll go back to the general fund to help
offset the 5%, 5 whatever percent we have.

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So I'm trying to find a way to get as many
decent vehicles on the road.

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Something else, a marked car doesn't last
as long as an admin car.

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And when I say admin, something like I
would drive, detectives might drive, um,

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one of our training sergeants might drive.

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They're not on the road doing police work
all the time.

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They're on the road for other reasons.

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So those vehicles will last longer, and
they also come in at a cheaper price.

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Um, our insurance carrier, uh,

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likes or pretty much requires us to have
police pursuit vehicles for patrol.

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And I agree with that,

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but there's no reason to pay that extra
money if I can get by with it on admin

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money if I can get by with it on admin
cars.

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So this is kind of what I'm wanting to do.

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I've tried to find the best route we
could.

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Again, everything has got a positive and a
negative,

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but I think this is the best thing to move
us forward and catch us up in our fleet

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and then maintain a fleet process from now
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Questions for Chief?

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So when we were working through the budget
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this is one of the things that I had, I
had recommended.

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Others may have as well, but to, to bring
down the 3 to 2 replacement.

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And we had a conversation about We looked
through the great Excel document that

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Christina had put together to kind of
justify why that's needed,

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and I was very satisfied when I saw that
and felt comfortable with the 2 per year.

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And so I'm encouraged to see that over
time, this— ideally,

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your goal here is that There wouldn't be
an increase in the plan,

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the 2 replacements per year plan, as far
as the finances go.

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That's correct.

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Has this been— Christina, have you looked
at this and do you feel the same?

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Yes. Victor, myself,

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and Dale have had some internal
conversations on this and the

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different options that Dale has presented
tonight.

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Okay. And for the car that was totaled, is
there any kind of insurance?

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There is.

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$23,000 and some change coming back for
that one.

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And how does that— how does that work with
leased vehicles?

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Um, it would be the same thing.

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They'll still be recovered under our
insurance, and it would go that direction.

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Okay.

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At the end of the lease, um, like I said,
it's a dollar.

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They turn the title over for a dollar.

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So that's why it's considered a true
lease, not a finance plan.

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Are there other jurisdictions,
municipalities that use Bancorp.

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I'm sure there are, but—

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I've reached out to several.

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Some of the really small agencies, 2 or 3
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have gone with the forward lease— or I'm
sorry, the forward purchase plan.

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They've been happy with that.

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But again, that's going to throw off a
debt ratio issue.

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A lady who lives here in town works for
Enterprise.

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She and I have had several conversations
about what they can do.

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I'm a little concerned about the overall
because you're never actually going to own

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the vehicle. So this one is something that
we would—

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I'd like to rotate the worst out.

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And I don't think if we do it by mileage,
it's the right thing to do.

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I've got vehicles out there that's got a
higher mileage. They're great.

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They must've been made on Wednesday.

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And I've got some out there that are lower
mileage that probably were made on

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Friday. So, um, we need to get rid of
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What I would like to do is come back to
y'all every year and say, you know,

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we're going to rotate 2 out.

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We'll sell those at auction or however,
how we needed to.

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Okay.

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Dispose of them. Some of the dealers will
actually take trade-ins.

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Monty Cobb Ford will take trade-ins and
offset the price.

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Bancor will take all these vehicles and
take them to the auction and cut us a

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take them to the auction and cut us a
check

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or cut us a— they'll give us a discount.
Apply it to the price, I'm sorry.

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So this is not something I would want to
recommend for a long-term program.

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It's just something I need to catch up
with what we have mandated over the last

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several years. A lot of the cars I need to
get rid of came from Missouri Highway

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Patrol. They were already past their prime
when we got them. Um, we made them work.

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I literally have one on life support
outside. It's plugged up.

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If you, if you take it home with you,

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you're probably going to jumpstart it in
the morning.

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And we've tried to have it fixed and it's
not.

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Uh, 2 of the vehicles I need to get rid of
are, were donated used from Nissan.

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Okay.

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Over the years. Uh, one of those is the
one that's got a transmission going out on

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it. Um, so I'm just, I'm trying to catch
up with what you all faced.

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Something when I walked in the door that
we all faced together.

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Everything we had purchased over the years
came due last year at 5 years.

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This car thing is coming up now and I'm
trying to get ahead of it.

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Um, we're trying to set up everything we
can on a rotation basis so we know when it

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needs to be replaced.

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Okay.

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Cars is the thing this year.

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When we talk about 2 cars, if we were to
add an officer, I would add a car.

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It would be outside that fleet plan.

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But if not, we would just start rotating
the oldest or the worst cars off

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immediately.

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I don't have any questions.

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What I will say is I thank you for not
only doing the homework on this,

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but we know that we have a lot of
equipment Throughout town that there's

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equipment Throughout town that there's
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turnover and it's coming sooner rather
than later.

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And so I appreciate that you have taken an
approach with Christina and Victor to

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come up with a plan that might actually be
beneficial not only for the department

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but for our residents as well. So I thank
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I see this as the, the first big step in
trying to figure out how we go through and

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really get what is needed every day by the
officers,

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and that is their vehicle to maintain the
service that we have.

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And so So I appreciate what you've put
together,

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and I think it's incredibly thoughtful.

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I feel like if Christina and Victor have
reviewed it and feel that this is the best

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way, then I would be in support of that.
So thank you for this.

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I appreciate it.

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Thank you.

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Ditto.

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Ditto.

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I might ask a supplemental question again
for everybody.

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That's our shorthand whenever she—

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I couldn't say any better than what the
vice mayor just did.

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So is there any particular make and model
of a car, however, No,

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I want to find what works the best.

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And honestly, the Durangos have been— have
held up very well until last 2 weeks.

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I literally got down to we were sending
people home in a donated vehicle.

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The Durango, it's just what I want to stay
with, police packages.

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To answer your question, Durango or Ford
Explorers.

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The admin vehicles, I can set— I can step
down and go with Um, a grocery getter,

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if you want to call it that.

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I ask, obviously we,

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and we appreciate the contributions Nissan
has given to us in the past,

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and we have a number of people in our
community who work for Nissan,

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but my question was actually rooted in
another reason.

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I'm reading a story about Southwest
Airlines and how they got started,

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and they only used Boeing 737s.

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That way they kept the exact same parts in
their fleet,

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and I just wondered if we could get Toward
a uniformity of fleet as well.

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I would really like to see that.

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Honestly, I think when we start looking at
budgets every year and seeing what is

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going to be on the state contract to
purchase, it's going—

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we're going to have to take the best price
that we can get.

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And it may not necessarily be that Ford
Explorer. It may not necessarily be that.

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Victor and I have talked about Chevrolets.

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I honestly don't think that Tahoes would
fit here,

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even though when you look at the state
contract prices,

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there are only several thousand dollars
difference. It's not a big deal.

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When you're buying them off state
contract.

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I just don't think that vehicle is right
for us.

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So I'm going to try to find the best
vehicle I can for what money y'all allow

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vehicle I can for what money y'all allow
me to

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have and spend.

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Thank you, sir.

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So the proposal through Bancorp does not
have to go through RFQ

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or any other process. It's through, I
guess, the state contract.

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As I understand it, I think I'm
understanding your question,

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we pick out the vehicles we want through
the state contract, we get the price,

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they turn around and pay them for the, for
the cars, and then we take—

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we reimburse Bancorp.

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There will be a separate set of rules and
reporting requirements

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through GASB that we'll have to follow in
terms of a true leasing

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program that the town does not currently
And what's the term of the

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lease?

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Um, whatever we set up. 5 years, we can do
a 5-year.

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And that would give us— we're just
basically paying— I'm simple.

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I'm basically paying for a car this year
on lease,

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paying for one car next year on lease,
next year a car on lease at that same

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next year a car on lease at that same
price,

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and we're locking that price in.

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I don't know what Uh, state contract's
going to go up next year.

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I'm guessing 3 to 5%. That seems to be
about right.

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Um, and again, I think we can offset the
interest payments on this by getting rid

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interest payments on this by getting rid
of

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the stuff we have outside.

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If we— $2,000 or $3,000 here, you know, I
don't want to say we have bad cars.

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We want to auction them off.

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So.

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So I guess my only concern,

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I have seen other communities use
different lease programs.

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And the, the challenge I,

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I see with it is that you do have that
payment each year versus paying in full

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payment each year versus paying in full
for

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the car. So what we will see next year if
we do this is that while we've been

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budgeting for 2 cars annually, which is
according to Chief not adequate,

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part of that amount that we've been
budgeting won't be available for 2 cars

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budgeting won't be available for 2 cars
next

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year. So it is, it is You're correct.
There's an issue there.

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And so I guess what I would also like to
explore is with the sales tax increases

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that we've seen for the first 2 months for
the current fiscal year,

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is if we should go ahead and bite the
bullet and amend the budget to purchase a

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different or an additional police vehicle,
um,

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because I am concerned about a lease
payment that next year when we're trying

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payment that next year when we're trying
to

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budget for 2 police vehicles, I mean,
you're almost robbing Peter to pay Paul.

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Like, it, it's not really free money.

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You're, you're going to have to pay that
payment each year.

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And so I just want to make sure that it's
not free money.

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You're exactly right.

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And, and so, Victor,

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I know I've talked with you previously
about the Enterprise program, and I've,

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I've actually never heard you supportive
of a—

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I don't believe I've heard you supportive
of a lease program before,

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so I'm curious about what's different
about this and how the payments are

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about this and how the payments are
different

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now.

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Well, um, I don't like lease programs,

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and I've been very blunt with the chief
and Christina on that.

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And, and because that you have that
recurring payment,

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and then the second year you always— I
mean,

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you still got the recurring payment and
you still have to buy additional vehicles

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for that year. The difference is That now
it's not that we're one vehicle behind and

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we need an extra vehicle. We are—

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6.

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6 vehicles behind. We were 5 due to just
the continual

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failures in their mechanical systems.

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And so unless we have the ability to go
out and purchase

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multiple vehicles, which sales tax has
been great,

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but it's not been that great.

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Mm-hmm.

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It's not— that's not a direction that we
can go.

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And so in looking at this, when I—

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when you sit down and you evaluate the
different models for taking money and

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different models for taking money and
paying

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it over time, I do believe that this
particular model is better than The

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particular model is better than The
Enterprise

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model that we looked at,

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and it's better than the Ford leasing plan
or the Ford plan because it's not

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considered a loan, and that one definitely
is a loan.

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In general, no, I don't like lease
programs.

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I'd rather pay them, you know, budget and
pay for it.

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But how we got here is because the town in
years past purchased used vehicles in

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order to save money because Because they
didn't,

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they didn't have the monies in the budgets
to be able to do it.

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So it's not, it's not— these are—

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we're reaping the results of decisions
made years ago, even,

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even prior to me getting here.

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Some of these, some of these vehicles are
7, 8, 9 years old since we've had them,

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and they're older, they're physically
older than that.

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So This is the only way that I see that we
can get the vehicles that we need in the

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fleet now when we need them, and
unfortunately still have to pay them off

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unfortunately still have to pay them off
over time.

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And so what happens is that over the
course of the next 4 budgets,

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you're going to have an extra payment for
a vehicle in there because you're going

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to— you're still going to need to transfer
out a couple vehicles a year.

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Okay.

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But you're still going to make this
payment too.

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And so over the course of the next 4
years, you'll have a repayment in that.

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Does everybody have a copy of the fleet
list?

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That— I don't know if you all asked for a
copy of it when we were going through the

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budget, but, um, Chief had sent me a copy
at like an Excel file of the, the listing.

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Like, our oldest vehicle that I see is
from 2018.

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There were 5 police vehicles that came
online during the 2025 calendar year.

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The year before that, there was only 1. In
'23, there was 1, 2, 3, 4— there were 4.

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Some of it's been because of like the
shortages of those, um,

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was it silicon chips or something?

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I don't, I don't know what those were,
like the chips in the cars.

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Um, So are we— I know that there's 29
vehicles on this list. We have 24

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vehicles on this list. We have 24
officers.

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So are we trying to maintain 24 vehicles,
or like, what do we need?

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We need several. And let me take out
specialized vehicles.

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There's like a 4x4 on there that's, uh,
side-by-side rather.

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I think it's listed in there. Then I
forgot how it's listed.

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It's got a Car number behind it. I need a
couple spare cars.

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One, we, uh, in case, like I said,

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2 weeks ago we wound up with 3 cars in the
shop and just bang,

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just right off the bat. So I do have to
have some pool cars.

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Plus when we are having special events
like parades,

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and that's something we've been working on
today as far as the veterans and

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Christmas parade coming up, I need to put
reserve officers, um, in a vehicle.

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And I usually just give them one of the
pool cars where they can go Set at the red

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light or traffic signal, wherever. So we
do need some extra marked cars out of

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do need some extra marked cars out of
this.

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I will say that I try to find the best
deal I can on cars.

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We were able to pick up a pickup truck,

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2 pickup trucks last year with what we
were having and still came in under budget

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under vehicles. Um, so I think I can come
in under this every year, at least.

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Um, but I would not want to come in here
every year and say, okay,

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we We lease 5 this year. Let's lease 5
more next year. I wouldn't do that to you.

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I think this is just a way for us to catch
up and then continue on with a

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standardized plan. So, you know, every
year when we sit down and talk,

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and if we don't need 2 cars one year, I
don't have a problem backing off of that.

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Um, sometimes cars, like I said,

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they last a while and then all of a sudden
you've got one that just,

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it's just a nightmare. When we upfit a
car, that's one of the biggest expenses.

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It's hard to believe when I started, you
know, blue light, siren boxes and a radio.

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That was pretty much in it. Now we've got
in-car cameras.

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We've got in-car computers in there. We've
got cameras in the back seat.

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We've got all this other stuff that we've
got radar equipment.

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Stuff is going in these cars. It costs
money to put these things in there.

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So we need to keep the cars on the road as
long as we can,

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but when they start to go down, I need to
replace them.

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And if it gets wrecked in the lease term,

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it would fall just like if it was our
vehicle insurance,

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it'd be covered under our insurance.

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And then Bancorp South or Bancorp would
replace with a comparable vehicle because

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replace with a comparable vehicle because
we

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would only get paid out fair market value,
right?

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And I want to make sure I'm telling you
this correctly. This way I understand it.

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If we wreck a vehicle, they'll work that
out as the—

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and close that one out at that next
payment and whatever comes up.

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So let's say year 3, we total one, we
picked that year,

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that would Vehicle we'd buy for a dollar
and go on and sell it back on insurance,

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and we would be up— we'd still have to
find another vehicle.

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I believe I'm telling you that correct.

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I think we may— we would owe whatever
difference there is.

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If there was a difference in what we were
going to pay for that car over time, um,

402
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we probably would have to, to make up that
difference.

403
00:23:22,064 --> 00:23:27,507
So if it's— let's say it happens to be the
3rd year in, 3rd of 5 years,

404
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And you're still, you still owe, I'm gonna
make it really easy.

405
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We're paying a $50,000 car and we're
paying $10,000 a year.

406
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All right.

407
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So your third year in, so you owe $20,000.

408
00:23:39,945 --> 00:23:45,372
Um, if the value of the vehicle that you
get back from being wrecked is greater

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get back from being wrecked is greater
than

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that, then that's what you would, you
would pay them the, what you owed.

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So you'd pay them $20,000. We got to write
that one off.

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Okay.

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So we send you a check for $20,000.

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If the value of the vehicle from the
insurance company was a little higher,

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then we might be able to clear on that.

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However, if it was like year 2 and the
depreciation of the vehicle was such that

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essentially you're underwater and you owed
$40,000 back,

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00:24:14,733 --> 00:24:18,613
but the insurance company paid only
$38,000 or $35,000,

419
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Then we would still owe $40,000.

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So it would— we would have to pay the
$3,000, pay the, pay the difference back.

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So it's, it, it's essentially, we're—
since we're using someone else's money,

422
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we've got to make them whole as well. At
least that's my understanding.

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Is that your understanding, Christina?

424
00:24:39,567 --> 00:24:42,725
I think you just— I think you described it
better than I can.

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Usually when it's a fleet lease, if there
is an accident,

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you are still still paid out from your
insurance based on the damage that's done.

427
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But you are correct,

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you owe the difference from what you're
currently owed to what you purchased in

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that.

430
00:24:57,822 --> 00:24:57,984
Yeah.

431
00:24:57,984 --> 00:25:01,711
I don't know how many— I don't know how
often we wreck police cars.

432
00:25:01,711 --> 00:25:04,714
I didn't know that we had wrecked one the
other night.

433
00:25:04,714 --> 00:25:07,551
Well, can you help me understand how many
we wreck?

434
00:25:07,551 --> 00:25:13,962
Most— I don't— everything we have Had
damage since I've been here has been

435
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damage since I've been here has been
minor,

436
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$2,000 or $3,000 until the other night.

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And Unit 215 on there is—

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was totaled the other night when the 2
guys came into town in a stolen vehicle

439
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guys came into town in a stolen vehicle
and

440
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THP wound up getting involved with it.

441
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There was a little personnel issue that
had to be handled after that,

442
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and that's been handled.

443
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Um, I, I probably do have some additional
questions and can definitely follow up

444
00:25:44,010 --> 00:25:49,274
offline. I would like to see the actual
contract just to make sure that I'm

445
00:25:49,274 --> 00:25:51,871
understanding. Um, I, I am concerned.

446
00:25:51,871 --> 00:25:56,082
So the $58,000 that we would be allocating
for a police car,

447
00:25:56,082 --> 00:25:58,398
one of the police cars this year,

448
00:25:58,398 --> 00:26:04,013
would turn into an annual payment for the
next 5 years is what I think I gather,

449
00:26:04,013 --> 00:26:06,329
and that would be for 3 vehicles.

450
00:26:07,868 --> 00:26:07,964
No.

451
00:26:08,269 --> 00:26:11,000
Um, we're going to buy one outright with
the 2.

452
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,824
We buy one outright and then we paid the
first year payment with the second vehicle

453
00:26:15,824 --> 00:26:19,950
that has already been allocated in the
current budget year for 3 extra.

454
00:26:19,950 --> 00:26:24,251
And then after that, we would go for 6
vehicles. We would go 4 more years.

455
00:26:24,620 --> 00:26:24,860
Yeah.

456
00:26:24,860 --> 00:26:26,521
That's not what the agenda says.

457
00:26:26,521 --> 00:26:29,429
So the layout of the agenda makes it sound
like there's—

458
00:26:29,429 --> 00:26:34,186
There may have been a change from the time
we started all this process until that

459
00:26:34,186 --> 00:26:36,065
Car was totaled the other night.

460
00:26:36,065 --> 00:26:39,060
'Cause I originally was saying 5 cars and
then, uh,

461
00:26:39,060 --> 00:26:42,877
but we've just gotten 23 or we'll be
getting 23 back on that one.

462
00:26:42,877 --> 00:26:47,252
So if we, I mean, I'm just doing some
quick math here.

463
00:26:47,252 --> 00:26:52,436
So if we pay cash for 6 cars tomorrow,
$350 grand, give or take,

464
00:26:52,436 --> 00:26:56,001
we budgeted for 2 cars, which is $120
grand.

465
00:26:56,001 --> 00:26:58,998
Plus we're getting 23 from a So it's—

466
00:26:58,998 --> 00:27:05,155
it leaves our residual if we were to buy
these out cash right is $220 grand.

467
00:27:05,155 --> 00:27:08,152
I'm not opposed to the lease program,

468
00:27:08,152 --> 00:27:12,770
and I understand the need for it to get us
over the hump,

469
00:27:12,770 --> 00:27:19,494
but clawing and scratching $220 grand to
own these outright doesn't seem like a bad

470
00:27:19,494 --> 00:27:19,899
idea.

471
00:27:19,899 --> 00:27:21,120
And I agree with you.

472
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:24,783
I'm just trying to give something here to
get cars on the road.

473
00:27:24,783 --> 00:27:26,702
I'm trying to give you an option.

474
00:27:26,702 --> 00:27:30,674
I think what I would— I think what I would
need— I mean,

475
00:27:30,674 --> 00:27:32,802
the mayor raises a good point,

476
00:27:32,802 --> 00:27:38,334
but what I think what I would need is to
see numbers that represent what that—

477
00:27:38,334 --> 00:27:41,526
what that difference will be in that
$58,000.

478
00:27:41,526 --> 00:27:43,441
So that we buy the one car,

479
00:27:43,441 --> 00:27:48,264
but the $58,000 is what we use to pay the
lease on the rest of them.

480
00:27:48,264 --> 00:27:51,385
And so I'd like to know what that number
is.

481
00:27:51,385 --> 00:27:56,309
I will contact John with Bancor tomorrow.
Morning, and he will send me a printout.

482
00:27:56,309 --> 00:28:01,174
And we're— I'm basing this on $58,000.
Some of them are going to come in cheaper.

483
00:28:01,174 --> 00:28:03,456
So, um, last year we budgeted $58,000.

484
00:28:03,456 --> 00:28:07,600
Uh, the pickup truck, the pursuit pickup
truck we bought was $59,000,

485
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:12,104
but the other pickup truck was $54,000, I
believe. I'm telling you correct.

486
00:28:12,104 --> 00:28:16,968
So we were able to save some money that
way, and I will do that here, but I will—

487
00:28:16,968 --> 00:28:19,190
I would just figure it up at $58,000.

488
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:19,610
Okay.

489
00:28:20,056 --> 00:28:22,251
And I'll just have John do it and I'll
email it to you.

490
00:28:22,251 --> 00:28:25,147
Okay, thank you. Yeah, I think that's,

491
00:28:25,147 --> 00:28:29,797
that's going to weigh heavily on how I
would want to proceed.

492
00:28:29,797 --> 00:28:35,818
I don't like the idea of dipping into
savings that we're seeing from sales tax.

493
00:28:35,818 --> 00:28:41,610
Um, my understanding right now, I'm
comparing year over year, we're looking—

494
00:28:41,610 --> 00:28:47,250
or year to date, we're looking at about
$143,000 right now, which is Good.

495
00:28:47,250 --> 00:28:50,528
But, um, we also have a lot of other
needs.

496
00:28:50,528 --> 00:28:55,177
So absolutely, um, it just depends on how
the math plays out.

497
00:28:55,177 --> 00:28:59,121
I was always told never bring the boss a
problem if you don't at least have some

498
00:28:59,121 --> 00:29:02,671
type of solution. And this is one reason
I'm trying to bring a solution.

499
00:29:02,671 --> 00:29:06,467
It may not be the best, but, uh, you all
know what my issue is with vehicles.

500
00:29:06,467 --> 00:29:10,559
So, and I'm telling you, when you drive—
I'm literally— when you drive out tonight,

501
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:14,453
if you look, the car sitting next to the
building is literally on life support.

502
00:29:14,453 --> 00:29:15,735
It's wired up every night.

503
00:29:15,735 --> 00:29:20,084
Moving forward as we get into this
potentially and other things,

504
00:29:20,084 --> 00:29:25,451
what is the strategy internally— and this
may go to Christina or somebody else—

505
00:29:25,451 --> 00:29:30,683
for fleet management as we move forward?
This is not only a police department

506
00:29:30,683 --> 00:29:31,091
This is not only a police department
issue.

507
00:29:31,091 --> 00:29:35,100
It's fire. It's public works, you know,
anything like that.

508
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:37,546
What is the strategy moving forward?

509
00:29:37,546 --> 00:29:39,023
Yeah, I'm glad you asked.

510
00:29:39,023 --> 00:29:41,563
So actually, in having these
conversations,

511
00:29:41,563 --> 00:29:44,340
a couple months ago with the police
department.

512
00:29:44,340 --> 00:29:47,766
That's one of the things we've been
working on looking at.

513
00:29:47,766 --> 00:29:52,315
Actually, Matt might even help out too
with some dashboards just to make it a

514
00:29:52,315 --> 00:29:52,670
with some dashboards just to make it a
little

515
00:29:52,670 --> 00:29:56,746
bit more streamlined rather than me kind
of building it all in Excel.

516
00:29:56,746 --> 00:30:01,177
But having more of a wholesome fleet
management type of analysis similar to

517
00:30:01,177 --> 00:30:01,590
management type of analysis similar to
what we

518
00:30:01,590 --> 00:30:06,316
had designed for police for all of our
fleets so that going forward we just have

519
00:30:06,316 --> 00:30:06,375
fleets so that going forward we just have
a

520
00:30:06,375 --> 00:30:09,093
standard rollover every year where it kind
of—

521
00:30:09,093 --> 00:30:12,874
it will identify based on a specific
criteria that we can build,

522
00:30:12,874 --> 00:30:17,718
and it will identify which vehicles are up
for replacement based on like a scoring

523
00:30:17,718 --> 00:30:22,267
mechanism. And then we'll have that
staggered out over the course of a couple

524
00:30:22,267 --> 00:30:22,385
staggered out over the course of a couple
of

525
00:30:22,385 --> 00:30:26,875
years into the future so that when it
comes to strategic planning and stuff,

526
00:30:26,875 --> 00:30:30,183
it'll be easier for departments to
identify those needs.

527
00:30:30,183 --> 00:30:32,249
Great, thank you.

528
00:30:33,409 --> 00:30:36,715
Any additional discussion related to the
police fleet program?

529
00:30:36,715 --> 00:30:39,236
For my colleague at the fire department,
um,

530
00:30:39,236 --> 00:30:42,558
Bancorp said they would go up to $1
million on fire truck.

531
00:30:42,558 --> 00:30:47,269
Oh wow, that's—

532
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:50,386
all right, the next item on the agenda is
THSO grant update,

533
00:30:50,386 --> 00:30:54,491
which is also Lieutenant Hoffer, who I
think must also be Chief Armour tonight.

534
00:30:55,028 --> 00:30:57,238
Yes, Adam said okay.

535
00:30:58,474 --> 00:31:00,446
And I am honestly not prepared for this,

536
00:31:00,446 --> 00:31:04,046
for I don't know what he was going to
discuss with you on the THSO grant.

537
00:31:04,046 --> 00:31:06,807
Do you— you can give me an idea, I can
probably wing it.

538
00:31:06,807 --> 00:31:07,923
I don't, but we could postpone.

539
00:31:07,923 --> 00:31:10,572
I know they cut our— oh, I'm with you now.

540
00:31:10,572 --> 00:31:13,978
October is the fiscal year for the federal
government.

541
00:31:13,978 --> 00:31:17,068
That's when the new grant will come out
for THSO.

542
00:31:17,068 --> 00:31:22,177
They are reducing it statewide, not just
for us, but They're reducing it down to,

543
00:31:22,177 --> 00:31:24,510
um, I believe it's $38,000 this year.

544
00:31:24,510 --> 00:31:28,042
That'll be used for overtime and purchases
of equipment.

545
00:31:28,042 --> 00:31:31,132
Part of that money is what we buy car
stuff with.

546
00:31:31,132 --> 00:31:35,926
If I can get it through there, like the
MDTs in the car and that type stuff,

547
00:31:35,926 --> 00:31:38,449
we try to buy it out of that THSO money.

548
00:31:38,449 --> 00:31:41,160
But it will be reduced this year
statewide,

549
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,809
apparently because of the federal funding.

550
00:31:43,809 --> 00:31:47,846
It's not as much as it has been in the
past when COVID was here.

551
00:31:47,846 --> 00:31:52,135
Nobody was spending it and they had plenty
of money. Now they don't.

552
00:31:52,135 --> 00:31:57,117
So that's what he was going to tell you
about. It took me a minute to catch up.

553
00:31:57,117 --> 00:32:03,335
All right, any questions for Chief about
the THSO grant update?

554
00:32:03,335 --> 00:32:07,130
Just since you've got me here, I'm just
going to give you some good news.

555
00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:09,521
Officer Cheers, who's one of our new
officers,

556
00:32:09,521 --> 00:32:13,315
graduates the police academy on Friday,
and that will give us full staff.

557
00:32:13,315 --> 00:32:17,318
Now, he'll still be be in a training
program for a little while locally, but,

558
00:32:17,318 --> 00:32:17,474
program for a little while locally, but,
um,

559
00:32:17,474 --> 00:32:21,269
that will give us— we will be completely—
I can say I'm kind of the envy.

560
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:25,115
I've got the envy of some of the chiefs
around here because we are staying

561
00:32:25,115 --> 00:32:25,531
around here because we are staying
staffed,

562
00:32:25,531 --> 00:32:29,274
fully staffed. And, uh, when he comes out
Friday, that'd be good for us.

563
00:32:29,274 --> 00:32:32,601
He'll be going to night shifts, being
reassigned back to an FTO,

564
00:32:32,601 --> 00:32:34,420
looking forward to having him back.

565
00:32:34,750 --> 00:32:36,450
So congratulations.

566
00:32:36,450 --> 00:32:36,690
Congratulations.

567
00:32:36,690 --> 00:32:38,370
Thank you.

568
00:32:38,370 --> 00:32:44,434
All right. The next item on the agenda is
the proposed agenda for October 1st, 2026.

569
00:32:44,434 --> 00:32:50,209
We've had a proclamation request from a
local group at the 100 Years of Friendly

570
00:32:50,209 --> 00:32:53,168
Neighbors FCE in the town of Nolensville.

571
00:32:53,168 --> 00:32:58,149
The woman who reached out about this
particular proclamation lives in

572
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:58,871
particular proclamation lives in
Ballinger.

573
00:32:58,871 --> 00:33:04,863
I've not met her before, but reading the
information that was shared, it does seem—

574
00:33:04,863 --> 00:33:09,627
it almost seems fitting with celebrating
the town's 30th birthday,

575
00:33:09,627 --> 00:33:13,236
although this particular club was founded
in 1914.

576
00:33:13,236 --> 00:33:18,723
So definitely predates everything related
to our— I'm sorry, it's 100 years,

577
00:33:18,723 --> 00:33:21,105
100 years ago. So not quite 1914.

578
00:33:21,105 --> 00:33:26,447
Anyways, this was submitted by a citizen
within, I think, Ballinger Farms.

579
00:33:26,447 --> 00:33:29,406
So I don't know if there's any questions.

580
00:33:29,406 --> 00:33:35,037
They have requested for us to come and
present this the same day as the voting

581
00:33:35,037 --> 00:33:37,275
meeting and the groundbreaking,

582
00:33:37,275 --> 00:33:42,183
which is next Thursday at Nolensville
First United Methodist Church.

583
00:33:42,183 --> 00:33:43,988
Any questions about this?

584
00:33:43,988 --> 00:33:45,543
I enjoyed learning about it.

585
00:33:45,543 --> 00:33:48,098
When it was first mentioned, I was
uninformed,

586
00:33:48,098 --> 00:33:51,541
but these good folks have given us a lot
of great information.

587
00:33:51,541 --> 00:33:53,097
I read the draft resolution.

588
00:33:53,097 --> 00:33:56,429
It seems completely in order and worthy of
being recognized.

589
00:33:56,429 --> 00:33:59,754
That's 2 to 4, is that correct?

590
00:34:00,734 --> 00:34:01,104
It is.

591
00:34:01,217 --> 00:34:06,493
Their reception is from 2 to 4 on
Thursday, October 1st,

592
00:34:06,493 --> 00:34:12,899
which is quite possibly the most packed
day that the board will have

593
00:34:12,899 --> 00:34:14,029
for a while.

594
00:34:14,029 --> 00:34:18,587
It begs a question though, if they want us
to present this resolution— well,

595
00:34:18,587 --> 00:34:21,945
is it a proclamation or a resolution? It's
proclamation.

596
00:34:21,945 --> 00:34:22,944
It's proclamation.

597
00:34:22,944 --> 00:34:23,314
There you go.

598
00:34:23,443 --> 00:34:23,652
Got it.

599
00:34:25,149 --> 00:34:29,113
So I would honestly, I mean, I'll take it
as is,

600
00:34:29,113 --> 00:34:35,721
but I was a little confused as I read
through the resolution or the proclamation

601
00:34:35,721 --> 00:34:41,750
because it kind of jumped between
Williamson County establishing this and

602
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:42,163
Williamson County establishing this and
there

603
00:34:42,163 --> 00:34:47,697
being a Nolensville chapter. And I tried
to do some research on it.

604
00:34:47,697 --> 00:34:53,313
It was kind of hard to find information on
Nolensville specifically.

605
00:34:53,313 --> 00:34:59,177
And so I'm just It doesn't have to be on
this, but I'm just curious if—

606
00:34:59,177 --> 00:35:05,950
I just felt like more information could be
included to help tell the story because

607
00:35:05,950 --> 00:35:12,558
it's going to be a proclamation. But yeah,
it's— I guess it's not really an ask.

608
00:35:12,558 --> 00:35:15,118
I'm okay with the proclamation.

609
00:35:15,118 --> 00:35:19,578
I just feel like maybe— are they going to
be here for—

610
00:35:19,578 --> 00:35:19,854
Yes.

611
00:35:20,580 --> 00:35:22,893
No, they want us to come there.

612
00:35:22,893 --> 00:35:23,912
Oh, they want us to come to them.

613
00:35:23,912 --> 00:35:28,321
Or at least some combination. Yeah.

614
00:35:28,386 --> 00:35:28,434
Okay.

615
00:35:28,434 --> 00:35:30,937
They would like it presented at their
event. Yeah, at the church.

616
00:35:30,937 --> 00:35:34,831
I support this. I do think we should
probably—

617
00:35:34,831 --> 00:35:39,487
I should probably return to working on the
proclamation

618
00:35:39,487 --> 00:35:40,164
process.

619
00:35:40,164 --> 00:35:42,997
Everything that was submitted, to my
knowledge,

620
00:35:42,997 --> 00:35:46,614
I don't think Montique changed anything.
It's all submitted.

621
00:35:47,636 --> 00:35:51,141
Sure, and I think it's great. Um, there's
just some comments on it, that's all.

622
00:35:51,141 --> 00:35:57,518
Okay, the next item on the agenda is also
a proclamation for Founders Day,

623
00:35:57,518 --> 00:36:00,879
which I don't have. Hold on one second.

624
00:36:00,879 --> 00:36:06,394
Oh, I'm lost in my agenda links and I
can't find it. Here we go.

625
00:36:06,394 --> 00:36:12,857
Um, I, I do think for the Founders Day
process we should do a proclamation.

626
00:36:12,857 --> 00:36:19,148
I think that Montique put this— Montique
and Katie put this together, um,

627
00:36:19,148 --> 00:36:25,956
based on different historical information
that was submitted from Beth Lathers,

628
00:36:25,956 --> 00:36:32,506
probably with other documentation from
Town Hall and the Historical Society.

629
00:36:32,506 --> 00:36:37,504
Um, I think the proclamation is nice for
the time capsule.

630
00:36:37,504 --> 00:36:43,967
So I would— I think if there is additional
context, Commissioner Carpenter,

631
00:36:43,967 --> 00:36:49,569
that should be added, I think any of— all
of that is up for game.

632
00:36:49,569 --> 00:36:55,256
But any comments or additions to a
proclamation for Founders' Day?

633
00:36:55,256 --> 00:37:01,633
I think that can be submitted up to
basically when the agenda goes out for

634
00:37:01,633 --> 00:37:02,236
basically when the agenda goes out for
October

635
00:37:02,236 --> 00:37:09,217
1st. Okay, the next item on the agenda
will be for a public hearing for Ordinance

636
00:37:09,217 --> 00:37:14,646
26-18, an ordinance to amend Title 3,
Chapter 2, Section 3-205,

637
00:37:14,646 --> 00:37:21,368
Nolensville Municipal Code, to establish
collection of unpaid fines and costs.

638
00:37:21,368 --> 00:37:28,434
We voted on this last meeting. Any, any
updates from staff for the public hearing?

639
00:37:28,434 --> 00:37:31,375
Be able to answer any questions you might
have.

640
00:37:31,375 --> 00:37:36,131
This provision is necessary in order for
us to move forward with retaining a

641
00:37:36,131 --> 00:37:40,199
collection agent to assist with delinquent
court fine collection.

642
00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:46,088
All right, then that takes us to what will
be the consent agenda.

643
00:37:46,088 --> 00:37:50,800
There's the budget report from the finance
director,

644
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:56,961
also town reports from departments and
reports from town committees.

645
00:37:56,961 --> 00:38:00,766
Any discussion for any of these 3 3 items.

646
00:38:00,766 --> 00:38:07,289
Then the next item is the item that was
moved from Item I, New Business,

647
00:38:07,289 --> 00:38:14,810
Resolution 26-103, a resolution to approve
intent to award for Construction Manager

648
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:20,155
at Risk, CMAR, for Nolensville Police
Headquarters project.

649
00:38:20,155 --> 00:38:24,685
So I know staff probably has quite a bit
to share,

650
00:38:24,685 --> 00:38:32,296
and we also have the consultant So, I sent
you all an email last week trying to get—

651
00:38:32,473 --> 00:38:34,657
last week before last,

652
00:38:34,657 --> 00:38:41,803
giving you an update on our CMAR process
and how we had gone through it.

653
00:38:41,803 --> 00:38:48,353
We had— I've forgotten how many total
number of submittals we had.

654
00:38:48,353 --> 00:38:48,775
2,000.

655
00:38:48,860 --> 00:38:49,695
that we had for that.

656
00:38:49,695 --> 00:38:50,145
11.

657
00:38:50,145 --> 00:38:52,612
I had 11, 11 total submittals.

658
00:38:52,612 --> 00:38:57,545
We evaluated those, narrowed it to 3 that
we did interviews.

659
00:38:57,545 --> 00:39:03,548
I talked a little bit about how those
scoring— how that scoring was done.

660
00:39:03,548 --> 00:39:07,495
We narrowed it to 3 and we did the 3
interviews.

661
00:39:07,495 --> 00:39:12,593
In that part of the 3 interviews, we also
Ask them to give us,

662
00:39:12,593 --> 00:39:16,458
based on the information that they had at
hand,

663
00:39:16,458 --> 00:39:22,131
give us their estimate on what our
building would cost for the police

664
00:39:22,131 --> 00:39:23,036
building would cost for the police
department.

665
00:39:23,036 --> 00:39:28,874
And it's not a number that we can hold
them to, but because it's early,

666
00:39:28,874 --> 00:39:34,959
early on in the design process, but it
would give us a frame of reference.

667
00:39:34,959 --> 00:39:41,537
I'll step back just a second and say that
when we were going through the initial

668
00:39:41,537 --> 00:39:47,129
submittal We had a value that we proposed
to them and we said, okay,

669
00:39:47,129 --> 00:39:51,651
what would your fees look like based on a
common value?

670
00:39:51,651 --> 00:39:56,174
Um, and we did, and we did the first cut
based on that.

671
00:39:56,174 --> 00:39:59,380
With regard to this one, we said, okay,

672
00:39:59,380 --> 00:40:03,327
tell us what you think this building would
cost.

673
00:40:03,327 --> 00:40:05,794
And we had, uh, there was, uh,

674
00:40:05,794 --> 00:40:11,468
probably a couple million dollars in
between the low versus the high.

675
00:40:11,468 --> 00:40:18,046
During the interview process, we had some
very pointed questions about how they,

676
00:40:18,046 --> 00:40:22,898
you know, what services that they would be
providing to us,

677
00:40:22,898 --> 00:40:27,173
what would be some of the gain in us
utilizing them.

678
00:40:27,173 --> 00:40:33,998
And part of that determined that some of
the companies were very hands-on in trying

679
00:40:33,998 --> 00:40:38,521
to evaluate The entire building to where
we would have—

680
00:40:38,521 --> 00:40:41,563
really looking for our best interest,

681
00:40:41,563 --> 00:40:47,812
but being very proactive and giving us
suggestions on what we could look at,

682
00:40:47,812 --> 00:40:49,539
what we could change.

683
00:40:49,539 --> 00:40:54,720
That's contrasted to others that we
interviewed that were more—

684
00:40:54,720 --> 00:41:01,380
a little more hands-off approach in that
if there was something that we felt like

685
00:41:01,380 --> 00:41:01,544
if there was something that we felt like
we

686
00:41:01,544 --> 00:41:07,958
wanted to change in the building, then
they would help us through that change,

687
00:41:07,958 --> 00:41:14,125
but they weren't necessarily being
proactive to suggest, oh, well, we think

688
00:41:14,125 --> 00:41:14,454
proactive to suggest, oh, well, we think
you—

689
00:41:14,454 --> 00:41:19,388
if you change this type of wall, you could
reduce your cost.

690
00:41:19,388 --> 00:41:25,966
And so as we looked across those things
and we looked at each of the values that

691
00:41:25,966 --> 00:41:29,913
each one provided and then tacked on their
fees,

692
00:41:29,913 --> 00:41:35,833
we still came out with a pretty good
comparison between the 3 companies.

693
00:41:35,833 --> 00:41:41,836
And then in our discussion, ultimately
felt like that the group that did—

694
00:41:41,836 --> 00:41:48,661
that seemed like they would be doing the
best for us in giving us the best building

695
00:41:48,661 --> 00:41:53,348
for our money, uh, at the best— not, not
necessarily the,

696
00:41:53,348 --> 00:41:59,350
their least costly or least estimate, but
the best value for us was Bell.

697
00:41:59,350 --> 00:42:04,448
And so when we were looking through that
discussion with them,

698
00:42:04,448 --> 00:42:07,655
one of the questions that we asked was,

699
00:42:07,655 --> 00:42:12,424
what is your confidence in the estimate
that you provided?

700
00:42:12,424 --> 00:42:15,960
And the lowest one had marginal
confidence.

701
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,483
When we got to Bell, Bell's answer to me
solidified it.

702
00:42:20,483 --> 00:42:27,143
Because they said we would not give you a
number ever that we didn't think was a,

703
00:42:27,143 --> 00:42:33,639
a true number. And so when we looked at
ranking their confidence level of their

704
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:33,886
ranking their confidence level of their
own

705
00:42:33,886 --> 00:42:39,313
estimates, and in my mind, Bell was
definitely the leading figure.

706
00:42:39,313 --> 00:42:46,220
And so as we sat down and we discussed all
of it through that interview process, um,

707
00:42:46,220 --> 00:42:52,634
that's who we agreed that we wanted to
recommend to you all to do CMAR for the

708
00:42:52,634 --> 00:42:53,045
recommend to you all to do CMAR for the
town.

709
00:42:53,045 --> 00:42:57,156
And just to say, CMAR is optional. It's an
option.

710
00:42:57,156 --> 00:43:03,323
We can still bid— just bid this out if
that's the direction you want to go.

711
00:43:03,323 --> 00:43:09,901
We think it will be a better process for
us and ultimately a less costly process

712
00:43:09,901 --> 00:43:10,148
us and ultimately a less costly process
for

713
00:43:10,148 --> 00:43:11,546
us by going CMAR.

714
00:43:11,546 --> 00:43:11,787
Thank you.

715
00:43:12,026 --> 00:43:15,220
Thank you.

716
00:43:15,220 --> 00:43:16,475
I think just to recap,

717
00:43:16,475 --> 00:43:20,866
we've given you all of our analytics so
you can see how each of the different

718
00:43:20,866 --> 00:43:23,090
companies ranked in the initial review,

719
00:43:23,090 --> 00:43:27,196
as well as all of the pertinent
information that they provided basically

720
00:43:27,196 --> 00:43:27,652
information that they provided basically
on their

721
00:43:27,652 --> 00:43:30,219
general conditions costs and everything
else.

722
00:43:30,219 --> 00:43:32,386
And then ultimately the cost estimate,

723
00:43:32,386 --> 00:43:35,865
you can see the comparison that we did
between the estimates.

724
00:43:35,865 --> 00:43:40,142
So a lot of very thoughtful consideration
went into this with the selection

725
00:43:40,142 --> 00:43:44,305
committee to reach this I would like to
make a recommendation to you all.

726
00:43:44,305 --> 00:43:48,981
We do have a representative from Bell here
tonight in case you want to address any

727
00:43:48,981 --> 00:43:50,749
questions specifically to them.

728
00:43:50,749 --> 00:43:55,369
The staff's recommendation moving forward
is to approve the resolution and direct

729
00:43:55,369 --> 00:43:59,874
the Town Manager and staff to move forward
with negotiating a contract for your

730
00:43:59,874 --> 00:44:04,664
consideration. That contract will have an
understanding basically that at the end of

731
00:44:04,664 --> 00:44:06,318
the design development phase,

732
00:44:06,318 --> 00:44:10,310
which is the next piece in the design
process that We'll go through an

733
00:44:10,310 --> 00:44:10,881
process that We'll go through an
estimating

734
00:44:10,881 --> 00:44:12,078
effort at that point.

735
00:44:12,078 --> 00:44:13,219
But more critically,

736
00:44:13,219 --> 00:44:17,781
hopefully we'll have had a very productive
conversation at that point with Metro

737
00:44:17,781 --> 00:44:22,115
Water to determine whether we'll be able
to make the connection on the sewer

738
00:44:22,115 --> 00:44:22,514
to make the connection on the sewer
system.

739
00:44:22,514 --> 00:44:27,305
Obviously, the design development and then
the construction design process will wrap

740
00:44:27,305 --> 00:44:29,472
up toward the end of this fiscal year,

741
00:44:29,472 --> 00:44:33,863
which would allow a construction start
sometime in the early part of the next

742
00:44:33,863 --> 00:44:34,205
sometime in the early part of the next
fiscal

743
00:44:34,205 --> 00:44:38,597
year. Obviously, if you paid attention to
any of the calendars in some of the

744
00:44:38,597 --> 00:44:42,760
submittals that we received, you are
looking at 12 to 14 months to build.

745
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,554
So that would be the end of the next
fiscal year.

746
00:44:45,554 --> 00:44:49,888
Hopefully that will give Metro Water
sufficient time to construct the system

747
00:44:49,888 --> 00:44:50,117
sufficient time to construct the system
that

748
00:44:50,117 --> 00:44:52,569
they need and give us the capacity we
need.

749
00:44:52,569 --> 00:44:55,306
But again, that is a conversation yet to
be had.

750
00:44:55,306 --> 00:44:58,500
But we would do it basically with a
go/no-go or go/hold.

751
00:44:58,500 --> 00:45:03,062
type scenario that if we need to slow the
process down in order to let the sewer

752
00:45:03,062 --> 00:45:06,484
system catch up, that we'll give that
consideration as well.

753
00:45:06,484 --> 00:45:12,832
And in having those conversations with
Bell, have— and maybe you can answer this,

754
00:45:12,832 --> 00:45:15,184
I'm not really sure— but have,

755
00:45:15,184 --> 00:45:21,062
have they been willing to say that we
would be a go-hold versus a go-no-go?

756
00:45:21,062 --> 00:45:24,449
We haven't gotten into that part of the
discussion yet.

757
00:45:24,786 --> 00:45:24,963
Okay.

758
00:45:24,963 --> 00:45:29,697
Obviously, that would be to some extent
some of the contract terms that we would

759
00:45:29,697 --> 00:45:32,834
have to make sure we've got a solid
understanding on.

760
00:45:32,834 --> 00:45:36,976
We have had similar conversations with the
design architect, you know,

761
00:45:36,976 --> 00:45:41,415
that we basically would suspend, which is
the proper term in the agreement,

762
00:45:41,415 --> 00:45:46,090
design services if we reach a point where
we just can't go any further with it.

763
00:45:46,090 --> 00:45:56,185
So, I'm confident we can reach acceptable
terms with the architect.

764
00:45:59,185 --> 00:46:00,729
Yeah, just to share who you are.

765
00:46:00,810 --> 00:46:04,407
I'm John Thayer, Executive Vice President
with Bell.

766
00:46:04,407 --> 00:46:07,312
Just to kind of add on to what Chuck said,

767
00:46:07,312 --> 00:46:12,915
I'm sure that we could reach an agreement
once we understood better what the hold

768
00:46:12,915 --> 00:46:17,618
process would be and what that timeline
would be. I'm sure we could.

769
00:46:17,618 --> 00:46:19,624
Come to an agreement on that.

770
00:46:19,801 --> 00:46:20,362
Okay, thank you.

771
00:46:20,362 --> 00:46:24,998
But is it fair to assume that the addendum
to the contract that gives them the

772
00:46:24,998 --> 00:46:28,029
not-to-exceed amount, or the— and I don't
remember,

773
00:46:28,029 --> 00:46:32,011
I haven't memorized what it was called,
but there were 2 addendums.

774
00:46:32,011 --> 00:46:35,933
One was about insurance and then the other
one was about the cost.

775
00:46:35,933 --> 00:46:39,143
That part does not get— yes, guaranteed
maximum price.

776
00:46:39,143 --> 00:46:43,006
That doesn't get negotiated until the
sewer portion is completed?

777
00:46:43,006 --> 00:46:47,862
The guaranteed maximum A Guaranteed
Maximum Price would come at the conclusion

778
00:46:47,862 --> 00:46:47,987
Maximum Price would come at the conclusion
of

779
00:46:47,987 --> 00:46:51,660
final design, or basically the
construction design process.

780
00:46:51,660 --> 00:46:54,772
That's kind of the last step where you're
at 100%.

781
00:46:54,772 --> 00:46:58,383
If we were to take a Guaranteed Maximum
Price before that,

782
00:46:58,383 --> 00:47:03,488
you often are dealing with contingencies
and allowances and a lot of other things.

783
00:47:03,488 --> 00:47:05,107
It's a much looser number.

784
00:47:05,107 --> 00:47:09,838
At the conclusion of construction design,
you have very little, if anything,

785
00:47:09,838 --> 00:47:14,445
left to to work out. It's all been
resolved in terms of final construction

786
00:47:14,445 --> 00:47:14,819
resolved in terms of final construction
plans.

787
00:47:14,819 --> 00:47:19,613
So that guaranteed maximum price would
come after the construction plans have

788
00:47:19,613 --> 00:47:19,924
come after the construction plans have
been—

789
00:47:19,924 --> 00:47:21,759
It's fair to say it's at your go point.

790
00:47:21,759 --> 00:47:23,192
Excuse me?

791
00:47:23,192 --> 00:47:25,619
It's fair to say that it's at your go
point,

792
00:47:25,619 --> 00:47:29,810
which is actually beneficial to us because
at that point everything has been

793
00:47:29,810 --> 00:47:32,843
examined to the point where the numbers
are more exact.

794
00:47:32,843 --> 00:47:35,105
There's less change orders at that point.

795
00:47:35,105 --> 00:47:37,586
There is less Maneuver with the material
and,

796
00:47:37,586 --> 00:47:39,737
and prices that we would be looking at.

797
00:47:39,737 --> 00:47:43,708
So at the go point, you would have your
not-to-exceed or your max costs?

798
00:47:43,708 --> 00:47:45,544
Yeah, that's exactly right.

799
00:47:45,544 --> 00:47:50,567
Can you talk a little bit about projects
that you may have participated in,

800
00:47:50,567 --> 00:47:55,590
or can staff talk a little bit about
projects they may have participated in

801
00:47:55,590 --> 00:47:56,126
projects they may have participated in
where we

802
00:47:56,126 --> 00:47:59,810
were at this point in a project without
sewer capacity?

803
00:47:59,810 --> 00:48:05,369
I did notice in the staff report there was
quite a bit of commentary, and you also,

804
00:48:05,369 --> 00:48:08,718
Chuck, brought up the issues with Metro
and sewer.

805
00:48:08,718 --> 00:48:14,009
Is this normal to be signing a contract
for a construction manager at risk when

806
00:48:14,009 --> 00:48:14,277
for a construction manager at risk when
that

807
00:48:14,277 --> 00:48:15,683
piece is not settled?

808
00:48:15,683 --> 00:48:19,013
Yeah, I can respond. Yeah, absolutely.

809
00:48:19,013 --> 00:48:23,834
You know, very often there are any number
of issues Um,

810
00:48:23,834 --> 00:48:29,443
that may not be resolved when a
construction manager is engaged.

811
00:48:29,443 --> 00:48:36,717
And that's actually part of the benefit of
engaging a construction manager early in

812
00:48:36,717 --> 00:48:41,099
the process is so we can help manage that
process,

813
00:48:41,099 --> 00:48:44,692
help make sure that as design progresses,

814
00:48:44,692 --> 00:48:51,266
it is progressing in a manner that the
town's budget is maintained and met.

815
00:48:51,266 --> 00:48:55,998
You know, very often there are issues
with, as I said,

816
00:48:55,998 --> 00:49:02,659
with codes or permits or utilities that
aren't resolved when we are engaged.

817
00:49:02,659 --> 00:49:03,623
Absolutely.

818
00:49:03,623 --> 00:49:09,287
So is that part of the preconstruction
services that were identified in the

819
00:49:09,287 --> 00:49:15,631
information that staff put together that I
guess Vell and Associates does not charge

820
00:49:15,631 --> 00:49:17,972
for, but others did charge for?

821
00:49:20,830 --> 00:49:24,893
In the proposals on the finalists that we
had, the 3 finalists,

822
00:49:24,893 --> 00:49:29,666
you had 2 of the 3 that were charging a
fee as part of the preconstruction

823
00:49:29,666 --> 00:49:30,246
fee as part of the preconstruction
services.

824
00:49:30,246 --> 00:49:35,406
Bell, as I understand, did not include a
fee for those preconstruction services.

825
00:49:35,406 --> 00:49:40,823
Obviously, it's in all of our interests to
move the project forward expeditiously in

826
00:49:40,823 --> 00:49:43,919
terms of not only design, but also
construction.

827
00:49:44,032 --> 00:49:44,148
Yes.

828
00:49:44,148 --> 00:49:47,933
We are trying to hold construction costs
over the long term.

829
00:49:47,933 --> 00:49:53,168
Every month you always run the risk that
you are going to see an escalation in cost

830
00:49:53,168 --> 00:49:57,773
over time. And so we are going to have
what we hope to be very productive

831
00:49:57,773 --> 00:50:02,188
conversations with Metro to hopefully
solidify that sooner than later.

832
00:50:02,188 --> 00:50:07,360
We are not aware of any other hold points
from a permitting standpoint or anything

833
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,271
else. It is strictly just the
right-to-connect. to the system.

834
00:50:11,271 --> 00:50:13,984
We'll have a sewer main all the way to
the,

835
00:50:13,984 --> 00:50:18,021
to the police headquarters property along
with a manhole to tie.

836
00:50:18,021 --> 00:50:22,688
So it's just a matter of getting
permission to make the tap and connection

837
00:50:22,688 --> 00:50:23,193
permission to make the tap and connection
to allow

838
00:50:23,193 --> 00:50:24,076
sewer to flow.

839
00:50:24,076 --> 00:50:29,343
And so will you all— will staff and Bell
jointly push those discussions,

840
00:50:29,343 --> 00:50:31,318
or how does that part work?

841
00:50:31,318 --> 00:50:35,085
That'll be on us. It won't be— I can't see
Bell being involved.

842
00:50:35,085 --> 00:50:38,963
Yeah, typically we're providing assistance
through that process,

843
00:50:38,963 --> 00:50:43,628
but typically the municipality or the town
or the owner is taking the lead on

844
00:50:43,628 --> 00:50:44,416
that process.

845
00:50:44,416 --> 00:50:49,041
If I may follow up on a point the mayor
just made,

846
00:50:49,041 --> 00:50:53,481
um, other projects you're working on— I'm
sorry,

847
00:50:53,481 --> 00:50:53,944
John?

848
00:50:53,944 --> 00:50:54,910
John Thayer.

849
00:50:54,910 --> 00:50:57,604
Yes, sir. Thank you. And feel free to
stand near that microphone.

850
00:50:57,604 --> 00:51:00,961
We've got these excellent cameras where
people across the nation are watching you

851
00:51:00,961 --> 00:51:03,158
right now. They're going to want to hear
you as well.

852
00:51:03,308 --> 00:51:03,580
Great.

853
00:51:03,580 --> 00:51:04,366
Okay.

854
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:09,238
Um, do I— did I read correctly at one
point that you're involved presently in

855
00:51:09,238 --> 00:51:13,699
the construction of the new sheriff's
office in Humphreys County, Tennessee?

856
00:51:13,699 --> 00:51:14,533
Correct.

857
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:16,939
Yeah. And what is your role there?

858
00:51:16,939 --> 00:51:23,292
Personally, I'm the executive vice
president over the building division at

859
00:51:23,292 --> 00:51:23,721
president over the building division at
Bell,

860
00:51:23,721 --> 00:51:30,332
so I'm not touching that project on a
day-to-day basis, but it falls under my

861
00:51:30,332 --> 00:51:30,590
day-to-day basis, but it falls under my
Uh,

862
00:51:30,590 --> 00:51:31,620
my division.

863
00:51:31,620 --> 00:51:34,260
That's exactly where I was going. I just
want to say what role Bell is playing.

864
00:51:34,260 --> 00:51:35,950
Oh, we're the construction manager.

865
00:51:35,950 --> 00:51:36,886
That's what I was thinking.

866
00:51:36,886 --> 00:51:38,550
I was wanting you to tell me you're going
to do—

867
00:51:38,550 --> 00:51:41,150
you're doing for the good folks in
Humphreys County what you're offering to

868
00:51:41,150 --> 00:51:41,358
Humphreys County what you're offering to
do for

869
00:51:41,358 --> 00:51:43,820
the good folks here in Nolensville. That's
where I was going with this.

870
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:44,200
Yeah.

871
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,645
So you're already engaged there. That's
great news for us.

872
00:51:47,645 --> 00:51:51,447
Um, my feedback to my colleagues remains,
and I think we're all—

873
00:51:51,447 --> 00:51:54,833
we've all been laboring to that. Certainly
the staff has.

874
00:51:54,833 --> 00:51:58,635
We do not want to lose any momentum From a
timeline perspective,

875
00:51:58,635 --> 00:52:01,487
we want to continue to work toward the end
goal.

876
00:52:01,487 --> 00:52:04,457
We know that the sewer issue is going to
be there,

877
00:52:04,457 --> 00:52:09,031
but we're going to continue to work in
parallel to the problem with the sewer

878
00:52:09,031 --> 00:52:09,328
parallel to the problem with the sewer
issue

879
00:52:09,328 --> 00:52:13,427
so that when we actually can get to the
shovel ready on this, we are.

880
00:52:13,427 --> 00:52:17,407
But we're at the interim— at the early
stages right now, obviously,

881
00:52:17,407 --> 00:52:22,160
but I'm in favor of continuing on, and I
appreciate the hard work the staff put.

882
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:26,556
Victor, thank you to you and your team for
doing the legwork to bring this

883
00:52:26,556 --> 00:52:27,803
recommendation to us.

884
00:52:27,803 --> 00:52:29,594
Ditto.

885
00:52:32,594 --> 00:52:36,345
I do want to thank the staff for doing
this. Mr. Thayer, thanks for showing up

886
00:52:36,345 --> 00:52:36,585
this. Mr. Thayer, thanks for showing up
here.

887
00:52:38,362 --> 00:52:38,410
What—

888
00:52:38,410 --> 00:52:42,293
well, I'll echo the sentiment of I want to
keep moving this forward.

889
00:52:42,293 --> 00:52:46,633
What I don't want to have happen is in 2
years have a building sitting empty

890
00:52:46,633 --> 00:52:47,033
years have a building sitting empty
because

891
00:52:47,033 --> 00:52:51,601
Metro is not communicating with us and
we're not forcing communication with them

892
00:52:51,601 --> 00:52:51,715
we're not forcing communication with them
to

893
00:52:51,715 --> 00:52:56,055
move this forward. So I would encourage
staff to start that loud and strong.

894
00:52:56,055 --> 00:53:00,224
And if, if we need the Bell team there to
sit with us, let's do that, um,

895
00:53:00,224 --> 00:53:04,278
because no one wants an empty police
station because we can't get sewer

896
00:53:04,278 --> 00:53:04,735
station because we can't get sewer
service.

897
00:53:05,104 --> 00:53:05,313
So—

898
00:53:05,313 --> 00:53:08,085
So that's the one thing I was going to
echo.

899
00:53:08,085 --> 00:53:12,874
I, um, I'm familiar with several of Bell's
projects in and around Nashville,

900
00:53:12,874 --> 00:53:16,088
and so I appreciate the hard work that
that's gone,

901
00:53:16,088 --> 00:53:20,183
and I am encouraged that you all would be
a part of this project.

902
00:53:20,183 --> 00:53:22,011
So I'm very happy about that.

903
00:53:22,011 --> 00:53:26,358
But I am, like Commissioner Strufort said,
Metro is my Achilles heel.

904
00:53:26,358 --> 00:53:30,895
And so, right, we know what was supposed
to be maybe 2 years or 3 years,

905
00:53:30,895 --> 00:53:35,621
and then you hear 4 and 5. And so that's
my biggest concern with the entire

906
00:53:35,621 --> 00:53:36,125
my biggest concern with the entire
project.

907
00:53:36,125 --> 00:53:38,582
I appreciate that we're moving forward,

908
00:53:38,582 --> 00:53:43,245
and I agree with what's staff has brought
to us today, and I support that.

909
00:53:43,245 --> 00:53:48,412
But I would want to make sure that we are
having serious communication with Metro,

910
00:53:48,412 --> 00:53:51,436
which I, I know we are all pushing towards
that,

911
00:53:51,436 --> 00:53:55,658
but how much harder can we really push and
what answers can we get?

912
00:53:55,658 --> 00:53:57,863
So, but thank you. I appreciate it.

913
00:53:57,863 --> 00:54:03,878
Any additional questions? All right. Thank
you for coming tonight.

914
00:54:03,878 --> 00:54:04,986
Sure. Thank you.

915
00:54:04,986 --> 00:54:09,340
All right. The next item on the agenda
takes us Back up to item 7,

916
00:54:09,340 --> 00:54:10,660
unfinished business.

917
00:54:10,660 --> 00:54:16,136
We have second reading of Ordinance 26-15,
an ordinance of the Town of Nolensville,

918
00:54:16,136 --> 00:54:19,038
Tennessee, amending plan review,
permitting,

919
00:54:19,038 --> 00:54:24,448
and inspection fees contained in Appendix
B of Town of Nolensville Municipal Code.

920
00:54:24,448 --> 00:54:27,945
Any discussion on second reading of this
item? Chuck?

921
00:54:27,945 --> 00:54:32,932
Just a quick reminder that you have in
your agenda package a markup version that

922
00:54:32,932 --> 00:54:36,174
contains the change in the The plumbing
permit fees,

923
00:54:36,174 --> 00:54:41,162
we are going to a value approach rather
than a per unit or fixture approach that

924
00:54:41,162 --> 00:54:41,286
than a per unit or fixture approach that
we

925
00:54:41,286 --> 00:54:42,533
are currently under.

926
00:54:42,533 --> 00:54:47,334
It will make it a lot easier to calculate
as part of our new software system.

927
00:54:47,334 --> 00:54:52,384
What you will need to do at the upcoming
meeting is to make a motion to amend the

928
00:54:52,384 --> 00:54:56,810
ordinance as originally approved on first
reading to include that item.

929
00:54:56,810 --> 00:55:00,800
I'll be happy to walk you all through that
when you consider it.

930
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,167
So my suggestion would be not to have this
on consent,

931
00:55:04,167 --> 00:55:09,154
but rather on the regular agenda. Happy to
address any other questions you have.

932
00:55:09,154 --> 00:55:11,576
Any questions for Chuck? All right.

933
00:55:11,576 --> 00:55:14,967
The next item on the agenda is Resolution
26-098,

934
00:55:14,967 --> 00:55:20,572
a resolution selecting an official flag
from the submissions received through the

935
00:55:20,572 --> 00:55:25,624
Town of Nolensville Flag Design Campaign.
And I'll turn it over to Katie.

936
00:55:25,624 --> 00:55:27,146
and Montique for this.

937
00:55:27,146 --> 00:55:40,137
Hello.

938
00:55:40,605 --> 00:55:44,836
I sent all of you the final submissions
from the extended deadline.

939
00:55:44,836 --> 00:55:49,698
We've received one more design from an
individual who had already submitted a

940
00:55:49,698 --> 00:55:52,981
design. She just wanted to do a different
variation.

941
00:55:52,981 --> 00:55:57,149
So altogether we have 10 individuals that
have submitted a design,

942
00:55:57,149 --> 00:56:00,369
and I sent that again over to all of you
on Friday.

943
00:56:00,369 --> 00:56:02,011
And I've, at your request,

944
00:56:02,011 --> 00:56:07,000
also shared it with the committees and
committee members and asked them to give

945
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:07,126
committee members and asked them to give
me

946
00:56:07,126 --> 00:56:12,051
their feedback and voting for their
favorite flag and give me a description as

947
00:56:12,051 --> 00:56:12,178
favorite flag and give me a description as
to

948
00:56:12,178 --> 00:56:13,946
why they selected that flag.

949
00:56:13,946 --> 00:56:17,229
And we've already received some, some
feedback back,

950
00:56:17,229 --> 00:56:23,269
and I will send that to you on Friday the
25th.

951
00:56:26,269 --> 00:56:28,556
Any questions or discussion related to
this?

952
00:56:28,556 --> 00:56:31,834
So I'm just going to throw it out. I don't
know.

953
00:56:31,834 --> 00:56:36,272
And I've sent this to Katie as well. And
Victor was on the email.

954
00:56:36,272 --> 00:56:41,803
But is there any potential interest in
voting for a flag for the 30th celebration

955
00:56:41,803 --> 00:56:47,266
and then continuing to open this up to a
longer search for a more permanent flag

956
00:56:47,266 --> 00:56:47,471
longer search for a more permanent flag
for

957
00:56:47,471 --> 00:56:51,841
Nolensville. But if we picked from the
submissions that we have,

958
00:56:51,841 --> 00:56:57,168
it would represent the day and the year
and it would go into the time capsule.

959
00:56:57,168 --> 00:57:02,562
We could then potentially have one printed
for whoever is selected and one that

960
00:57:02,562 --> 00:57:07,069
actually goes up in Town Hall. But it
would be the 30th year flag.

961
00:57:07,069 --> 00:57:12,805
And from there, we could then potentially
have a little bit more time for design and

962
00:57:12,805 --> 00:57:17,926
thought process, not only with the
committees but through the board and the

963
00:57:17,926 --> 00:57:18,131
committees but through the board and the
new

964
00:57:18,131 --> 00:57:23,526
board, just to give it a little bit more
time and consideration for the overall

965
00:57:23,526 --> 00:57:23,799
time and consideration for the overall
flag

966
00:57:23,799 --> 00:57:29,125
for Nolensville. So just something that I
have been thinking a lot about, and,

967
00:57:29,125 --> 00:57:33,427
and the submissions are fantastic, but
they're also very brief.

968
00:57:33,427 --> 00:57:38,549
And so if we could pick something for the
celebration specifically and then

969
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:43,875
potentially extend the search. Just my
thought, so I thought I'd throw it out.

970
00:57:43,875 --> 00:57:47,050
You know, Madam Vice Mayor, I heard one
time that, uh,

971
00:57:47,050 --> 00:57:49,872
the coin of the realm in politics is
compromise,

972
00:57:49,872 --> 00:57:53,105
and I think you just offered a very highly
valued coin.

973
00:57:53,105 --> 00:57:57,632
I had been thinking how to give voice to
what you just said all weekend long,

974
00:57:57,632 --> 00:57:59,807
and I couldn't come up with anything.

975
00:57:59,807 --> 00:58:03,394
All I was trying to say tonight was that
perhaps we ought to—

976
00:58:03,394 --> 00:58:08,214
I don't want to choose from any of these
good folks. They've worked so hard on it.

977
00:58:08,214 --> 00:58:12,447
And I thought, can we put every one of
them in the, in the time capsule?

978
00:58:12,447 --> 00:58:17,386
I want to honor every one of these people
and their hard work, their thoughtfulness,

979
00:58:17,386 --> 00:58:18,797
their, their creativity.

980
00:58:18,797 --> 00:58:22,148
And then I was thinking along the same
lines, is there a,

981
00:58:22,148 --> 00:58:26,087
is there a bigger responsibility we have
here to choose a flag for,

982
00:58:26,087 --> 00:58:27,909
for a longer term for the town?

983
00:58:27,909 --> 00:58:31,496
But we certainly need to honor the 30th
birthday of the town,

984
00:58:31,496 --> 00:58:34,905
this event that was coming up, and maybe
choose from this.

985
00:58:34,905 --> 00:58:37,610
So you, you gave voice to what I was
thinking,

986
00:58:37,610 --> 00:58:40,079
and I like to think I'm a person of words,

987
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:43,136
but I've been totally lost until what you
just said.

988
00:58:43,136 --> 00:58:46,722
So I— you asked the question, is there any
appetite for that?

989
00:58:46,722 --> 00:58:51,426
Yes, ma'am, there's a huge appetite from
at least this end of the desk, I guess.

990
00:58:51,426 --> 00:58:54,718
So now we need to see how the other side
of the desk is.

991
00:58:54,718 --> 00:58:55,298
Thank you.

992
00:58:58,298 --> 00:58:59,575
Surfacing. So, oh, go ahead.

993
00:59:00,965 --> 00:59:01,499
You can go ahead.

994
00:59:01,499 --> 00:59:07,011
My major concern has been use of AI and
creation of the original artwork.

995
00:59:07,011 --> 00:59:08,748
I think that as a town,

996
00:59:08,748 --> 00:59:14,184
I think the Brushstrokes Across
Nolensville project is a good example of

997
00:59:14,184 --> 00:59:14,864
Nolensville project is a good example of
ways that

998
00:59:14,864 --> 00:59:19,621
we have been very intentional in original
artwork and branding.

999
00:59:19,621 --> 00:59:22,867
And I know at least one of the designs,
um,

1000
00:59:22,867 --> 00:59:26,869
that were created specifically through the
use of AI.

1001
00:59:26,869 --> 00:59:29,361
I did reach out to Charles about,

1002
00:59:29,361 --> 00:59:34,797
about that and asked him to have a
conversation with staff about that as

1003
00:59:34,797 --> 00:59:35,175
conversation with staff about that as
well.

1004
00:59:35,175 --> 00:59:41,140
I know that there's copyright issues if
things were created with the use of AI.

1005
00:59:41,140 --> 00:59:45,670
I'm sure other people can talk about that
better than I can.

1006
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:48,011
I think that's a good question.

1007
00:59:48,011 --> 00:59:53,448
Um, I, I like the idea of some type of
artwork established for the 30th,

1008
00:59:53,448 --> 00:59:59,413
but I still have— although maybe it is
appropriate since everything is about AI

1009
00:59:59,413 --> 01:00:03,867
right now. Um, if I were picking one of
these for the 30th,

1010
01:00:03,867 --> 01:00:09,002
I would still pick number 9, which is the
one that was, um, I guess,

1011
01:00:09,002 --> 01:00:13,985
a Nolensville resident that staff reached
out to, to partner with,

1012
01:00:13,985 --> 01:00:16,175
they created that through AI.

1013
01:00:16,175 --> 01:00:20,462
Okay, we have a difference. Do you also
want to know our number, or—

1014
01:00:20,462 --> 01:00:23,257
Well, I, I'm just kind of describing it.

1015
01:00:23,257 --> 01:00:26,051
So whether or not other people— I don't—

1016
01:00:26,051 --> 01:00:31,501
I know that one was created through AI
because Katie specifically told me that

1017
01:00:31,501 --> 01:00:31,850
because Katie specifically told me that
staff

1018
01:00:31,850 --> 01:00:35,553
worked with Ms. Loudermilk and created it
through AI.

1019
01:00:35,553 --> 01:00:38,907
What we don't know is if any of the others
were.

1020
01:00:41,219 --> 01:00:45,618
If I may interject, a solution that
Montique and I talked about this morning,

1021
01:00:45,618 --> 01:00:45,789
Montique and I talked about this morning,
um,

1022
01:00:45,789 --> 01:00:50,473
with your all's concerns in mind with the
AI is we could move forward and have you

1023
01:00:50,473 --> 01:00:52,416
all select the flag that you like,

1024
01:00:52,416 --> 01:00:56,871
and then we could reach out to a local
graphic designer and have them recreate

1025
01:00:56,871 --> 01:00:57,043
graphic designer and have them recreate
it.

1026
01:00:57,043 --> 01:01:00,356
That way it kind of takes the AI out of
it, but it's just—

1027
01:01:00,356 --> 01:01:02,013
it's not strictly an AI flag,

1028
01:01:02,013 --> 01:01:05,440
it's in collaboration having a graphic
designer recreate it.

1029
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,125
So if you did want to proceed with any of
them,

1030
01:01:08,125 --> 01:01:12,809
we could of course reach out to the person
who submitted it and asked if it was AI

1031
01:01:12,809 --> 01:01:14,066
or not. And if it was,

1032
01:01:14,066 --> 01:01:18,522
we could always have it recreated in
conjunction with the person who submitted

1033
01:01:18,522 --> 01:01:18,693
conjunction with the person who submitted
it.

1034
01:01:18,693 --> 01:01:20,978
It's just an option which was allowable.

1035
01:01:20,978 --> 01:01:25,444
That was specifically in the submittal
information that that was something that

1036
01:01:25,444 --> 01:01:25,670
information that that was something that
was—

1037
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:28,214
that the town reserved the right to
redesign.

1038
01:01:28,214 --> 01:01:30,075
We, we did. Yes, that was included.

1039
01:01:31,093 --> 01:01:32,287
I like that as a solution.

1040
01:01:32,287 --> 01:01:37,218
So that kind of flows naturally into what
I was going to say.

1041
01:01:37,218 --> 01:01:41,421
I didn't— I was concerned about making
this comment,

1042
01:01:41,421 --> 01:01:48,050
but even before the submittals came in, I
felt this like— I felt this need to say,

1043
01:01:48,050 --> 01:01:53,870
I kind of think we need to hire somebody
to produce something like this.

1044
01:01:53,870 --> 01:02:00,014
But that's a great compromise that we use
something that has been submitted,

1045
01:02:00,014 --> 01:02:05,753
and then just kind of make it
professional, essentially. So I like that

1046
01:02:05,753 --> 01:02:07,052
professional, essentially. So I like that
idea.

1047
01:02:10,052 --> 01:02:10,133
The—

1048
01:02:10,214 --> 01:02:13,536
I'm still weighing the concern for AI.

1049
01:02:13,536 --> 01:02:16,858
I don't— AI is a tool, and so I think—

1050
01:02:16,858 --> 01:02:21,491
I don't know what the copyright concerns
are exactly.

1051
01:02:21,491 --> 01:02:24,726
I'd like to know what those are, but—

1052
01:02:24,726 --> 01:02:24,839
Yeah.

1053
01:02:25,567 --> 01:02:27,551
Ultimately, AI is a tool.

1054
01:02:27,551 --> 01:02:30,885
And so if you know what prompts to put in,

1055
01:02:30,885 --> 01:02:36,521
if you know how to guide it and manipulate
it, in the end, it's a tool.

1056
01:02:36,521 --> 01:02:42,872
And so it is still your artwork. It just
depends on what inputs you put into AI.

1057
01:02:42,872 --> 01:02:47,237
That being said, I'd much prefer not to
use that route.

1058
01:02:47,237 --> 01:02:50,413
My thoughts on the flags themselves, Ms.

1059
01:02:50,413 --> 01:02:54,381
Loudermilk's, honestly, I thought that
would make—

1060
01:02:54,381 --> 01:03:00,573
maybe not that in its current form, but
that would make more of a great, like,

1061
01:03:00,573 --> 01:03:03,669
logo or rebrand or something like that.

1062
01:03:03,669 --> 01:03:07,241
It's a little busy for a flag, in my
opinion.

1063
01:03:07,241 --> 01:03:13,512
But I love the idea of connecting with a
graphic designer to just to make it it

1064
01:03:13,512 --> 01:03:13,829
graphic designer to just to make it it
more

1065
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:19,227
professional and make sure that we're,
we're checking all the boxes.

1066
01:03:19,227 --> 01:03:26,038
I am more of the prudence of maybe we
select something for the 30th and then

1067
01:03:26,038 --> 01:03:28,458
work towards something, uh,

1068
01:03:28,458 --> 01:03:34,552
more long-term and permanent for the town
that represents, you know,

1069
01:03:34,552 --> 01:03:37,510
all the things we want to convey.

1070
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:41,453
Um, certainly I think if we— whatever we
do,

1071
01:03:41,453 --> 01:03:46,831
let's put our hand in it and on it from a
design standpoint.

1072
01:03:46,831 --> 01:03:49,071
So that is where I stand.

1073
01:03:49,071 --> 01:03:55,345
I would rather wait and decide on
something for the 30th and then move

1074
01:03:55,345 --> 01:03:55,972
something for the 30th and then move
forward

1075
01:03:55,972 --> 01:04:00,274
with something long-term, maybe under a
project.

1076
01:04:00,274 --> 01:04:03,243
So if that is the case, then for the 30th,

1077
01:04:03,243 --> 01:04:08,474
I still think that Katie and Montique
would need direction tonight so that

1078
01:04:08,474 --> 01:04:09,039
would need direction tonight so that
whatever

1079
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:14,341
would be prepared for next Thursday to
vote so that it could be printed for

1080
01:04:14,341 --> 01:04:16,956
Saturday. So I was just going to say,

1081
01:04:16,956 --> 01:04:20,844
can there be other feedback about which of
the designs,

1082
01:04:20,844 --> 01:04:23,601
even if it's simply for the 30th, that—

1083
01:04:23,601 --> 01:04:26,399
So the whole, the whole reason that— bless
you—

1084
01:04:26,399 --> 01:04:30,983
the whole reason that this even started to
come about is as I was reading the

1085
01:04:30,983 --> 01:04:33,662
descriptions of each flag that was
submitted,

1086
01:04:33,662 --> 01:04:38,305
And their reasoning kind of behind the
flag and looked at number 1 and the way

1087
01:04:38,305 --> 01:04:38,544
flag and looked at number 1 and the way
that

1088
01:04:38,544 --> 01:04:43,009
it was described in terms of the
progression that the town has made and the

1089
01:04:43,009 --> 01:04:44,794
direction in which it's going.

1090
01:04:44,794 --> 01:04:46,580
That's where I kind of got to,

1091
01:04:46,580 --> 01:04:51,403
do we have something that represents the
here and now and the 30 years that we've

1092
01:04:51,403 --> 01:04:56,344
experienced? And then we start to look at
more of logo process and what the town is

1093
01:04:56,344 --> 01:04:57,951
about and an official flag.

1094
01:04:57,951 --> 01:05:02,892
So, um, as I went through all of these and
kind of looking at designs and what they

1095
01:05:02,892 --> 01:05:05,928
represent. For me, number 1 was in the
description,

1096
01:05:05,928 --> 01:05:10,334
not only representative of the state of
Tennessee in which we are located,

1097
01:05:10,334 --> 01:05:12,358
but also the representation of us.

1098
01:05:12,358 --> 01:05:15,454
And so rather than stars, you have the
wagon wheels,

1099
01:05:15,454 --> 01:05:19,502
and then again the arrow of the
progression that we've made with the

1100
01:05:19,502 --> 01:05:19,859
progression that we've made with the
years.

1101
01:05:19,859 --> 01:05:21,347
So for me, it's number 1.

1102
01:05:21,347 --> 01:05:26,229
I think 2, just in the design of looking
at it, it is— I'm going to use humanized.

1103
01:05:26,229 --> 01:05:28,313
for me at least. So that's— I mean,

1104
01:05:28,313 --> 01:05:32,123
although I'm going to tell you number 5 is
pretty darn cute too,

1105
01:05:32,123 --> 01:05:35,516
but maybe not quite there for me. So
that's where I'm at.

1106
01:05:35,516 --> 01:05:39,078
Can I make a recommendation as well?

1107
01:05:39,078 --> 01:05:43,432
When we do the capsule, I think it would
be—

1108
01:05:43,432 --> 01:05:49,765
it would be great to have a little
write-up, proclamation style,

1109
01:05:49,765 --> 01:05:55,207
To recognize the young man that brought
the idea to us.

1110
01:05:55,207 --> 01:06:00,254
Make sure that regardless of which
direction we go,

1111
01:06:00,254 --> 01:06:05,993
that there is a record and a way to honor
the idea itself.

1112
01:06:05,993 --> 01:06:11,103
That's a stellar idea, Commissioner.

1113
01:06:11,103 --> 01:06:14,370
All right. Any additional feedback,

1114
01:06:14,370 --> 01:06:19,690
if there needs to be some additional
feedback of Which of

1115
01:06:19,690 --> 01:06:22,023
the designs for the 30th?

1116
01:06:22,023 --> 01:06:23,530
So, Katie, Montique,

1117
01:06:23,530 --> 01:06:27,899
the expectation is we will get feedback
from committees by

1118
01:06:27,899 --> 01:06:31,666
Friday, and then we'll be able to review
that and—

1119
01:06:31,666 --> 01:06:32,683
Correct.

1120
01:06:32,683 --> 01:06:33,328
Inject our own.

1121
01:06:33,328 --> 01:06:36,842
Yes, I gave the committee members until 3
o'clock this Friday,

1122
01:06:36,842 --> 01:06:40,412
which I will send you another report, um,
just shortly after 3.

1123
01:06:40,412 --> 01:06:41,542
Great, thank you.

1124
01:06:41,542 --> 01:06:48,743
Are you wanting to wait till after Friday
to provide feedback to Katie, or—

1125
01:06:48,743 --> 01:06:50,093
I mean, I certainly don't—

1126
01:06:50,093 --> 01:06:53,936
I would love to hear what the other
committees have to say and where their

1127
01:06:53,936 --> 01:06:54,351
committees have to say and where their
thoughts

1128
01:06:54,351 --> 01:06:58,038
and opinions lie on it. So I will probably
wait until Friday afternoon.

1129
01:06:58,038 --> 01:06:59,950
Okay.

1130
01:07:00,144 --> 01:07:00,273
All right.

1131
01:07:00,370 --> 01:07:03,838
Any other feedback for Katie and Montique?
All right.

1132
01:07:03,838 --> 01:07:08,483
The next item on the agenda is new
business, first reading of Ordinance

1133
01:07:08,483 --> 01:07:08,875
business, first reading of Ordinance
26-13,

1134
01:07:08,875 --> 01:07:12,212
an ordinance of the Town of Nolensville,
Tennessee,

1135
01:07:12,212 --> 01:07:16,399
regarding the operation of electric
bicycles, electric scooters,

1136
01:07:16,399 --> 01:07:20,128
and similar devices within town parks,
greenways, trails,

1137
01:07:20,128 --> 01:07:25,035
and other public recreational facilities,
establishing safety requirements,

1138
01:07:25,035 --> 01:07:29,484
providing for enforcement, authorizing
intergovernmental agreements,

1139
01:07:29,484 --> 01:07:32,886
and for other purposes. Any discussion on
this item?

1140
01:07:32,886 --> 01:07:37,924
So this was actually something that the
police department had presented to us

1141
01:07:37,924 --> 01:07:40,475
several meetings ago Several weeks ago,

1142
01:07:40,475 --> 01:07:44,466
I reached back out to Officer Josh and
Chief and Charles and,

1143
01:07:44,466 --> 01:07:49,766
and staff as well to make sure that the
requests that had come in from the police

1144
01:07:49,766 --> 01:07:52,972
department, that we were continuing to
review it.

1145
01:07:52,972 --> 01:07:57,028
I don't know, Josh, do you want to present
anything with this?

1146
01:07:57,028 --> 01:07:59,383
Or if Chief wants to share anything.

1147
01:07:59,383 --> 01:08:02,851
I think that there needs to be additional
discussion,

1148
01:08:02,851 --> 01:08:07,888
and I didn't want something that the
Police Department had brought us to just

1149
01:08:07,888 --> 01:08:08,150
Police Department had brought us to just
drop

1150
01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:11,683
without us making sure that we had fully
evaluated it.

1151
01:08:11,683 --> 01:08:14,810
In the beginning, I said we— I was on in
the wrong lane.

1152
01:08:14,810 --> 01:08:19,278
This is not something I should normally
do, present a law. I should more enforce

1153
01:08:19,278 --> 01:08:19,446
do, present a law. I should more enforce
it.

1154
01:08:19,446 --> 01:08:23,857
But we have— the town of Nolensville has
become on the forefront of this e-bike

1155
01:08:23,857 --> 01:08:27,767
phenomenon. Uh, Josh, come on up here.
Josh has been at the forefront.

1156
01:08:27,767 --> 01:08:32,290
I took The initiative on his own to make
sure that we were doing the right thing.

1157
01:08:32,290 --> 01:08:35,250
Uh, technology, as we've always said, has
gotten far—

1158
01:08:35,250 --> 01:08:37,149
has exceeded what we were used to.

1159
01:08:37,149 --> 01:08:41,170
And Josh took it upon himself to make sure
that we were doing the legal,

1160
01:08:41,170 --> 01:08:43,180
the educational, and all that stuff.

1161
01:08:43,180 --> 01:08:47,759
We brought this as a suggestion because
it's something that we felt like we needed

1162
01:08:47,759 --> 01:08:47,815
it's something that we felt like we needed
a

1163
01:08:47,815 --> 01:08:51,557
little bit more teeth when we're dealing
with the enforcement part,

1164
01:08:51,557 --> 01:08:55,913
even though we try to do the education
more And I'm going to turn this over to

1165
01:08:55,913 --> 01:08:56,136
more And I'm going to turn this over to
Josh

1166
01:08:56,136 --> 01:08:58,705
because I'm going to tell you, he's my
expert.

1167
01:08:58,705 --> 01:09:02,335
When I have an issue about e-bikes, I call
Josh even if he's off.

1168
01:09:02,335 --> 01:09:06,970
So I'm going to turn this over to him. If
you've got any questions, please ask him.

1169
01:09:06,970 --> 01:09:09,093
And also, uh, while I've got him here,

1170
01:09:09,093 --> 01:09:13,449
I want to recognize the fact that the
Tennessee Highway Safety Office utilized

1171
01:09:13,449 --> 01:09:13,616
Tennessee Highway Safety Office utilized
him

1172
01:09:13,616 --> 01:09:17,972
as a subject matter expert on e-bikes at
their last Lifesavers Conference last

1173
01:09:17,972 --> 01:09:18,251
their last Lifesavers Conference last
week.

1174
01:09:18,251 --> 01:09:22,719
And I understand he did a great job. Of
course, he always does. Thank you, Josh.

1175
01:09:22,719 --> 01:09:25,024
Congratulations.

1176
01:09:25,024 --> 01:09:25,238
Thank you.

1177
01:09:25,287 --> 01:09:25,896
Congratulations.

1178
01:09:26,456 --> 01:09:28,334
Do you guys have any questions on the
ordinance?

1179
01:09:28,334 --> 01:09:31,886
I do, but I'll go ahead and jump in.

1180
01:09:32,079 --> 01:09:32,191
Sure.

1181
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:38,589
Um, so at the end of the ordinance— let me
just pull it up, I have the other one.

1182
01:09:38,589 --> 01:09:44,090
Okay, so at the end of the ordinance,
there's the violations and penalty

1183
01:09:44,090 --> 01:09:44,701
there's the violations and penalty
section.

1184
01:09:44,701 --> 01:09:47,375
It says— I'm just going to read it.

1185
01:09:47,375 --> 01:09:52,265
It says, in addition to any other
appropriate remedial measures,

1186
01:09:52,265 --> 01:09:58,530
any violation of these provisions shall be
punishable as set forth in state law or

1187
01:09:58,530 --> 01:10:02,273
under the general penalty provision of
this code.

1188
01:10:02,273 --> 01:10:05,788
Each violation constitutes a separate
offense.

1189
01:10:05,788 --> 01:10:10,295
In looking through this, the only thing
that I see that is,

1190
01:10:10,295 --> 01:10:16,255
that is clear in terms of a violation that
you could enforce would be reckless

1191
01:10:16,255 --> 01:10:21,450
operation. Is that the only thing in the
ordinance, or am I missing—

1192
01:10:21,450 --> 01:10:27,792
am I missing something in that is in state
laws it refers to that you would use to,

1193
01:10:27,792 --> 01:10:29,778
to enforce this ordinance?

1194
01:10:29,778 --> 01:10:32,300
There are a couple of other things.

1195
01:10:32,300 --> 01:10:36,406
One is the helmet law, so that will be
state law as well,

1196
01:10:36,406 --> 01:10:38,856
and Class 3 bikes Class 3 e-bikes,

1197
01:10:38,856 --> 01:10:43,467
that's also state law that they are not
allowed on the sidewalk.

1198
01:10:43,467 --> 01:10:45,354
Okay, so, so that's good.

1199
01:10:45,354 --> 01:10:50,335
Um, I guess in looking at— I think it's
Thompson Station— there's—

1200
01:10:50,335 --> 01:10:55,845
it's more laid out what, um, what the
penalty will be for, for violating.

1201
01:10:55,845 --> 01:11:00,449
Uh, and so I'm curious if we are adding
anything Essentially,

1202
01:11:00,449 --> 01:11:05,958
what's the necessity of this ordinance if
we're saying state law applies?

1203
01:11:05,958 --> 01:11:08,600
Because it applies anyway, correct?

1204
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:14,563
I mean, the, the helmet law is the helmet
law regardless of whether or not this

1205
01:11:14,563 --> 01:11:20,676
ordinance is here. So I just want to make
sure that the enforcement side of this,

1206
01:11:20,676 --> 01:11:25,280
that we are giving you the tools to
enforce it and that it's,

1207
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:29,733
it's not going to fall flat because it,
that it lacks that.

1208
01:11:29,733 --> 01:11:34,067
Sure. This is— and Chief, you can correct
me on this— but this is a—

1209
01:11:34,067 --> 01:11:38,528
this is an ordinance that we're actively,
I believe, still working on.

1210
01:11:38,528 --> 01:11:42,798
Um, as far as those matters go, I think
the, the bigger thing with,

1211
01:11:42,798 --> 01:11:47,451
with having our own ordinance is that
we're setting a standard as a town.

1212
01:11:47,451 --> 01:11:50,893
There are state laws, and it would reflect
those laws,

1213
01:11:50,893 --> 01:11:55,991
but with the problems that we've had and
the safety issues that we've had across

1214
01:11:55,991 --> 01:11:56,182
the safety issues that we've had across
our

1215
01:11:56,182 --> 01:12:01,026
town. I think it's important that we set
standards and we have expectations,

1216
01:12:01,026 --> 01:12:05,997
especially of our juveniles that, that
have caused some of these issues in the

1217
01:12:05,997 --> 01:12:06,316
have caused some of these issues in the
past.

1218
01:12:06,316 --> 01:12:08,738
So I think that's a bigger issue here.

1219
01:12:08,738 --> 01:12:10,388
I think that's great.

1220
01:12:10,388 --> 01:12:14,787
And, um, yeah, as you work through this,
uh, I think if,

1221
01:12:14,787 --> 01:12:16,987
if you were to make changes,

1222
01:12:16,987 --> 01:12:21,701
that's what I would like to see is a
little more clear Yeah,

1223
01:12:21,701 --> 01:12:26,022
clear explanation of what that enforcement
is. I agree.

1224
01:12:26,022 --> 01:12:31,443
I think setting the standard is important
and you've done great work.

1225
01:12:31,443 --> 01:12:31,975
Thank you.

1226
01:12:32,249 --> 01:12:32,637
Thank you.

1227
01:12:33,250 --> 01:12:34,782
Appreciate it.

1228
01:12:34,782 --> 01:12:36,698
I do appreciate the— even for us,

1229
01:12:36,698 --> 01:12:41,283
the additional knowledge working at the
high school and closely with the middle

1230
01:12:41,283 --> 01:12:45,347
schoolers when they like to tell you
they're not doing anything wrong,

1231
01:12:45,347 --> 01:12:49,642
but being able to go back to the
information that you all have provided us

1232
01:12:49,642 --> 01:12:50,048
information that you all have provided us
and say

1233
01:12:50,048 --> 01:12:54,054
that we know what class the bike is or if
it should or should not be.

1234
01:12:54,054 --> 01:12:55,737
But I am also very surprised,

1235
01:12:55,737 --> 01:13:00,613
not only with the information that you all
have provided and the additional training

1236
01:13:00,613 --> 01:13:05,257
that you have done, with Williamson County
Schools implementing their new safety

1237
01:13:05,257 --> 01:13:07,637
regulations and them having to be tagged.

1238
01:13:07,637 --> 01:13:12,339
The kids really are talking about it more,
and some have even gotten rid of them.

1239
01:13:12,339 --> 01:13:16,402
So I appreciate that you all are really
setting the standard for this.

1240
01:13:16,402 --> 01:13:16,579
Thank you.

1241
01:13:17,006 --> 01:13:19,256
Not only for our community but for the
state of Tennessee.

1242
01:13:19,256 --> 01:13:21,389
And so I appreciate all the hard work that
you've done.

1243
01:13:21,389 --> 01:13:23,072
Thank you. I appreciate that.

1244
01:13:23,072 --> 01:13:27,659
You know, at the end of the day, our
biggest concern is the safety of our kids.

1245
01:13:27,659 --> 01:13:32,070
And, you know, the, the things that we
were seeing on the street— of course,

1246
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:34,683
you know, many of you live here. I live
here.

1247
01:13:34,683 --> 01:13:39,153
I'm on a major sidewalk from the east side
to the west side of the town, and,

1248
01:13:39,153 --> 01:13:41,939
and I saw it all for, for a long period of
time.

1249
01:13:41,939 --> 01:13:46,177
So it's boots on the ground observation
Of, of what's been going on with,

1250
01:13:46,177 --> 01:13:50,415
with the kids and seeing the dangerous
behavior. Of course, they're kids.

1251
01:13:50,415 --> 01:13:53,666
They're going to do things that maybe
aren't the safest.

1252
01:13:53,666 --> 01:13:58,194
They don't think through that process. Uh,
they don't think about the outcome.

1253
01:13:58,194 --> 01:14:00,225
And so we have to have those rules.

1254
01:14:00,225 --> 01:14:03,941
We have to back those rules, give them,
um, give them education,

1255
01:14:03,941 --> 01:14:07,714
give their parents education as well. And
we've done all of that.

1256
01:14:07,714 --> 01:14:11,429
And I think at this point, if we, if we
have those rules stated,

1257
01:14:11,429 --> 01:14:15,377
that's something that everybody in the
town is dealing with e-bikes,

1258
01:14:15,377 --> 01:14:19,382
or maybe that's going to purchase an
e-bike, can go back and look at,

1259
01:14:19,382 --> 01:14:23,504
and they can say, okay, this is what we
need to be doing with our kids.

1260
01:14:23,504 --> 01:14:27,742
And that's going to continue to keep a
safe environment, not only for our

1261
01:14:27,742 --> 01:14:28,264
safe environment, not only for our
children,

1262
01:14:28,264 --> 01:14:32,328
but for the other pedestrians on the, on
the trails, on the greenways,

1263
01:14:32,328 --> 01:14:33,837
for our motorists as well.

1264
01:14:33,837 --> 01:14:41,304
So, is the police department comfortable
with the revisions that have

1265
01:14:41,304 --> 01:14:45,092
gone through staff and legal? Okay.

1266
01:14:45,092 --> 01:14:49,096
Any additional questions or concerns?

1267
01:14:49,850 --> 01:14:50,058
I know—

1268
01:14:50,796 --> 01:14:56,236
well, I do know one that I don't know that
got resolved is that trail from

1269
01:14:56,236 --> 01:15:01,529
the bike— from Nolensville Park to
Nolensville Elementary is a sidewalk.

1270
01:15:02,533 --> 01:15:02,614
walk.

1271
01:15:02,695 --> 01:15:05,568
So with this in place, are we saying
e-bikes,

1272
01:15:05,568 --> 01:15:08,888
you have to dismount there and walk down
that trail?

1273
01:15:08,888 --> 01:15:12,499
Chief, I think you can speak into that
better than I can.

1274
01:15:12,499 --> 01:15:18,417
That was a good job. That was, that was
impressive. You're going places.

1275
01:15:18,417 --> 01:15:23,507
Actually, I was going to go ditto with
everything you were saying.

1276
01:15:23,507 --> 01:15:25,203
I do not want to have—

1277
01:15:25,203 --> 01:15:27,621
Maybe you're going to have to speak into
the mic because we probably—

1278
01:15:27,621 --> 01:15:29,157
I have I've said many times,

1279
01:15:29,157 --> 01:15:32,337
I do not want to tell a 10-year-old to go
play in traffic.

1280
01:15:32,337 --> 01:15:35,408
Uh, there are going to be some times when
safety issues—

1281
01:15:35,408 --> 01:15:38,095
and it's going to be an officer discretion
issue—

1282
01:15:38,095 --> 01:15:42,592
if there is something so blatant on that
sidewalk that we have to take enforcement

1283
01:15:42,592 --> 01:15:44,621
action, we have the ability to do it.

1284
01:15:44,621 --> 01:15:48,021
We also have the ability to have
discretion and go, come here,

1285
01:15:48,021 --> 01:15:52,025
this is not the way this is supposed to
work, let me explain this to you,

1286
01:15:52,025 --> 01:15:55,863
and we'll have your parents come by and
We'll explain it to them also.

1287
01:15:55,863 --> 01:16:00,196
And that's something else we have been
really pushing is we're not just dealing

1288
01:16:00,196 --> 01:16:00,415
really pushing is we're not just dealing
with

1289
01:16:00,415 --> 01:16:04,528
that child or that young adult or
whatever. We're dealing with the parents.

1290
01:16:04,528 --> 01:16:09,080
We're making them come to the scene, talk
to us so they understand what's going on.

1291
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:13,467
Uh, I don't want— I want the story to be
the same when everybody gets the story,

1292
01:16:13,467 --> 01:16:15,551
whether it's the child or the parents.

1293
01:16:15,551 --> 01:16:19,170
So let's just bring it all together and
we'll hold it right there.

1294
01:16:19,170 --> 01:16:19,300
Okay.

1295
01:16:19,798 --> 01:16:24,185
I do not care if we ever write a citation
as long as we're keeping people safe,

1296
01:16:24,185 --> 01:16:28,460
but we do need to have something when that
person is doing something we can't

1297
01:16:28,460 --> 01:16:29,682
control any other way.

1298
01:16:29,682 --> 01:16:33,669
Okay, and thank you, Kyle, for trimming
back those trees.

1299
01:16:33,669 --> 01:16:38,774
All right, any other questions or
discussions related to first reading of

1300
01:16:38,774 --> 01:16:39,404
discussions related to first reading of
Ordinance

1301
01:16:39,404 --> 01:16:45,209
26-13? I would say this probably shouldn't
be on consent agenda just so that we can

1302
01:16:45,209 --> 01:16:50,734
talk about it in public again at first
reading. Thank you guys. Thank you both.

1303
01:16:51,310 --> 01:16:51,519
Thank you.

1304
01:16:51,842 --> 01:16:55,914
All right, the next item on the agenda is
first reading of Ordinance 26-22,

1305
01:16:55,914 --> 01:17:00,312
an ordinance of the Town of Nolensville,
Tennessee, to amend Title 16, Chapter 2,

1306
01:17:00,312 --> 01:17:03,353
Excavations and Cuts, Nolensville
Municipal Code. Chuck.

1307
01:17:03,353 --> 01:17:08,362
I'm here for Enoch this evening, so I'll
keep my comments very brief.

1308
01:17:08,362 --> 01:17:10,612
This is a housekeeping measure.

1309
01:17:10,612 --> 01:17:16,565
But it's also an important amendment to
create clarity for us when we are charging

1310
01:17:16,565 --> 01:17:22,155
for sureties for various excavation and
cut work that's being done within our

1311
01:17:22,155 --> 01:17:28,107
right-of-ways. This is to ensure that if a
contractor walks away from a major cut,

1312
01:17:28,107 --> 01:17:33,697
that we have some financial resource
available that we can go in and make the

1313
01:17:33,697 --> 01:17:35,076
appropriate repair.

1314
01:17:35,076 --> 01:17:36,554
Thank you.

1315
01:17:37,534 --> 01:17:40,410
Staff would recommend favorable
consideration on the resolution— or excuse

1316
01:17:40,410 --> 01:17:40,527
consideration on the resolution— or excuse
me,

1317
01:17:40,527 --> 01:17:43,014
on the ordinance. Happy to address any
other questions you have.

1318
01:17:43,014 --> 01:17:47,595
Any questions for Chuck tonight?

1319
01:17:47,595 --> 01:17:53,465
Does this also cover utility cuts through

1320
01:17:53,465 --> 01:17:54,897
driveways?

1321
01:17:54,897 --> 01:17:59,482
No, this would be just within the street
right-of-ways.

1322
01:17:59,482 --> 01:18:04,709
But not utility right-of-ways? No.

1323
01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:04,920
Okay.

1324
01:18:06,012 --> 01:18:11,439
All right. Any questions for Chuck or
objections to consent agenda? All right.

1325
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:15,335
Thank you. The next is first reading of
Ordinance 26-23,

1326
01:18:15,335 --> 01:18:18,884
an ordinance establishing a regulatory fee
for the—

1327
01:18:18,884 --> 01:18:24,589
a regulatory fee for the review of wine
and retail store certificate of compliance

1328
01:18:24,589 --> 01:18:28,485
applications. I think this is also Chuck.
No, is it not?

1329
01:18:30,230 --> 01:18:34,209
Happy to address any questions you might
have. Should be pretty straightforward.

1330
01:18:34,209 --> 01:18:37,889
We're recommending a $100 application fee
for applications moving forward.

1331
01:18:37,889 --> 01:18:40,986
Totally stole her thunder. Just kidding.

1332
01:18:40,986 --> 01:18:44,392
Any questions for Monty or Chuck for Item
C?

1333
01:18:44,392 --> 01:18:48,531
May I just say, I appreciate your
recommendation that it covers our costs,

1334
01:18:48,531 --> 01:18:50,991
but we didn't go looking for more than
that.

1335
01:18:50,991 --> 01:18:55,465
I saw that there were other communities
that y'all put in place that charge more

1336
01:18:55,465 --> 01:18:59,268
than we do, so be it if that's what they
need to recover their cost.

1337
01:18:59,268 --> 01:19:03,295
And that's what government should be
doing, simply recovering our costs,

1338
01:19:03,295 --> 01:19:06,203
not trying to look at it as a, as a
windfall source.

1339
01:19:06,203 --> 01:19:08,049
So I appreciate staff doing that.

1340
01:19:08,049 --> 01:19:11,013
I'm in favor of consent agenda if our
colleagues are.

1341
01:19:11,013 --> 01:19:15,329
Any other questions or discussion? All
right, we'll put that on consent.

1342
01:19:15,329 --> 01:19:17,427
The next item is Resolution 26-093,

1343
01:19:17,427 --> 01:19:22,463
a resolution to approve agreement between
Town of Nolensville and Architect Workshop

1344
01:19:22,463 --> 01:19:26,359
PLLC for design services for the new
Police Headquarters project.

1345
01:19:26,359 --> 01:19:27,570
Last time, I promise.

1346
01:19:27,570 --> 01:19:32,415
You have before you a professional service
agreement with Architect Workshop for the

1347
01:19:32,415 --> 01:19:34,318
remaining balance of design work.

1348
01:19:34,318 --> 01:19:39,105
We're also leaving open at this point the
construction administration services that

1349
01:19:39,105 --> 01:19:43,834
will be defined and a contract amendment
basically introduced at a later date once

1350
01:19:43,834 --> 01:19:45,853
we've got a firm understanding Yes.

1351
01:19:45,853 --> 01:19:50,178
And then we will be getting a better
understanding of what the Construction

1352
01:19:50,178 --> 01:19:53,812
Administration scope and related service
fees will be for that.

1353
01:19:53,812 --> 01:19:56,753
This particular contract covers design
development,

1354
01:19:56,753 --> 01:20:01,136
which takes the project basically through
70%, and then construction design,

1355
01:20:01,136 --> 01:20:02,809
which would bring it to 100%.

1356
01:20:02,809 --> 01:20:07,423
It's being done with the understanding
that they will be working collaboratively

1357
01:20:07,423 --> 01:20:09,499
with a Construction Manager at Risk.

1358
01:20:09,499 --> 01:20:14,170
This particular contract template models
after that so that the two dovetail very

1359
01:20:14,170 --> 01:20:15,555
well together with that.

1360
01:20:15,555 --> 01:20:20,342
We've outlined in the resolution as well
as in the staff report the associated fees

1361
01:20:20,342 --> 01:20:22,302
with this. It's all within budget.

1362
01:20:22,302 --> 01:20:26,916
We would recommend favorable consideration
of this resolution to move the design

1363
01:20:26,916 --> 01:20:29,454
process for the Police Headquarters
forward.

1364
01:20:29,454 --> 01:20:32,107
Happy to address any questions you might
have.

1365
01:20:32,107 --> 01:20:34,439
Any questions for Chuck?

1366
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:38,268
Mayor, I'd just say that I gave close
attention to the document itself,

1367
01:20:38,268 --> 01:20:41,288
Specifically under Article 9, termination
or suspension,

1368
01:20:41,288 --> 01:20:44,739
because going into these things, it's—
everybody's always happy.

1369
01:20:44,739 --> 01:20:47,220
It's like making pictures when you go to
prom.

1370
01:20:47,220 --> 01:20:49,862
Everybody's smiling and we're celebrating,
right?

1371
01:20:49,862 --> 01:20:52,828
But there could come a time when things
don't work out.

1372
01:20:52,828 --> 01:20:57,196
And so if that's the case, what do you
have to do if you want to get out of this?

1373
01:20:57,196 --> 01:21:01,025
And we've got some powerful language in
there that allows either party,

1374
01:21:01,025 --> 01:21:05,069
if the other party's not performing, to do
that. So I applaud that. And Mr.

1375
01:21:05,069 --> 01:21:08,898
Dunham and I spoke before beforehand, just
a couple of clerical errors,

1376
01:21:08,898 --> 01:21:13,050
matters we might want to correct on.
Otherwise, yes, sir, I'm in favor of it,

1377
01:21:13,050 --> 01:21:13,266
Otherwise, yes, sir, I'm in favor of it,
sir.

1378
01:21:13,266 --> 01:21:16,116
We'll have a corrected version available
for you at the next meeting.

1379
01:21:16,116 --> 01:21:18,501
I have no idea what you just said.

1380
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:18,697
What?

1381
01:21:18,697 --> 01:21:21,256
He's going to fix it.

1382
01:21:21,256 --> 01:21:22,853
Oh, okay, we'll fix it.

1383
01:21:22,853 --> 01:21:24,904
All right, Chuck shared that he has—

1384
01:21:24,904 --> 01:21:28,493
we'll have a corrected version available
at the voting meeting.

1385
01:21:28,493 --> 01:21:31,569
Any other comments or discussion on
Resolution 26-093?

1386
01:21:32,909 --> 01:21:34,060
Just one question, Chuck.

1387
01:21:34,060 --> 01:21:37,513
Do we understand the nature of Architect
Workshop's relationship with Bell?

1388
01:21:37,513 --> 01:21:39,999
If Bell is going to move forward as our
CMAR, do they—

1389
01:21:39,999 --> 01:21:41,564
have they worked with them before?

1390
01:21:41,564 --> 01:21:46,916
Have they worked with each other before?
I'd have to defer to James.

1391
01:21:46,916 --> 01:21:51,166
I believe they have. James Kennon,
Architect Workshop.

1392
01:21:51,166 --> 01:21:53,134
Which answer do you want?

1393
01:21:53,942 --> 01:21:54,056
No.

1394
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:58,160
Yes, we have worked actually extensively
with them. They did the commercial

1395
01:21:58,160 --> 01:21:58,591
with them. They did the commercial
project.

1396
01:21:58,591 --> 01:22:00,530
Central Police Headquarters with us,

1397
01:22:00,530 --> 01:22:03,224
and we did the Murray County Courthouse
with them.

1398
01:22:03,224 --> 01:22:05,702
And I know there's several others in our
past,

1399
01:22:05,702 --> 01:22:08,395
but those are the 2 that come to mind
immediately.

1400
01:22:08,395 --> 01:22:11,206
Okay, thank you, James.

1401
01:22:11,206 --> 01:22:17,106
All right, we will not put that on consent
agenda since there's some corrections or

1402
01:22:17,106 --> 01:22:18,528
clerical typos that—

1403
01:22:18,948 --> 01:22:22,761
Commissioner Gill, I need a new type.

1404
01:22:22,761 --> 01:22:26,780
I need a new QC. There's a few spelling

1405
01:22:26,780 --> 01:22:27,501
errors.

1406
01:22:27,501 --> 01:22:30,103
Oh yeah, as I told you good folks, if you
were to read—

1407
01:22:30,103 --> 01:22:32,659
and you don't have to tell my clients
this, of course—

1408
01:22:32,659 --> 01:22:35,781
but if you were to read just a few of the
documents I draft today,

1409
01:22:35,781 --> 01:22:37,627
you'll find at least 20 or more errors.

1410
01:22:37,627 --> 01:22:39,756
But I get to charge the same for it, I
guess.

1411
01:22:39,756 --> 01:22:42,277
Sounds like you need a QC person.

1412
01:22:42,277 --> 01:22:47,176
Absolutely. You know what I need? I need
an AIQC ASAP. Okey-dokey.

1413
01:22:47,176 --> 01:22:48,517
All right, Resolution 20—

1414
01:22:48,517 --> 01:22:52,327
we'll leave that off consent agenda and we
will go to Resolution 26-02.

1415
01:22:52,327 --> 01:22:56,405
Next is item 6.099, a resolution to
authorize the purchase of a side-by-side

1416
01:22:56,405 --> 01:22:56,780
authorize the purchase of a side-by-side
for the

1417
01:22:56,780 --> 01:22:58,068
Public Works Department.

1418
01:22:58,068 --> 01:23:02,468
Any discussion on this item or objection
to consent agenda for this budgeted item?

1419
01:23:02,468 --> 01:23:04,091
No objections to consent.

1420
01:23:04,091 --> 01:23:08,634
I did, I did, for my own, I guess,
entertainment, I went back into the

1421
01:23:08,634 --> 01:23:09,088
entertainment, I went back into the
budget.

1422
01:23:09,088 --> 01:23:10,646
This is a budgeted item.

1423
01:23:10,646 --> 01:23:15,903
We had $13,000 in the budget for this, so
I appreciate it coming in under budget.

1424
01:23:15,903 --> 01:23:18,824
And, uh, no, no opposition to consent
agenda.

1425
01:23:19,741 --> 01:23:22,743
That side-by-side came in at just under
$12,000.

1426
01:23:22,743 --> 01:23:24,181
Uh, we will likely, uh,

1427
01:23:24,181 --> 01:23:28,683
use some of the remaining funds to outfit
it with some emergency lights,

1428
01:23:28,683 --> 01:23:31,435
and we'll be well under budget on that
item.

1429
01:23:31,435 --> 01:23:33,190
Great, thank you, Kyle.

1430
01:23:35,854 --> 01:23:38,536
All right, the next item is Resolution
26-100,

1431
01:23:38,536 --> 01:23:42,968
a resolution declaring a vehicle surplus
to needs of Town of Nolensville and

1432
01:23:42,968 --> 01:23:46,467
authorizing town manager to, to dispose of
surplus property.

1433
01:23:46,467 --> 01:23:50,082
Any discussion or comments about this, or
comments from staff?

1434
01:23:50,082 --> 01:23:55,553
We've had the Escape for about 12 years
now. It was purchased in 2014 for $15,500.

1435
01:23:55,553 --> 01:23:59,423
Uh, in finding an estimate for the
vehicle, I use Edmunds.

1436
01:23:59,423 --> 01:24:03,560
They allow you to type in your VIN and
answer a few questions.

1437
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:08,097
Their estimate came in at $1,149. I felt
like that was a little low.

1438
01:24:08,097 --> 01:24:10,566
So I researched Facebook Marketplace.

1439
01:24:10,566 --> 01:24:15,303
The only comparable price on that was
$1,500 for an Escape with a blown

1440
01:24:15,303 --> 01:24:19,307
transmission. Our, our Escape is in great
working condition.

1441
01:24:19,307 --> 01:24:23,377
The only real issue is a nickel-sized chip
in the windshield,

1442
01:24:23,377 --> 01:24:28,915
so I felt comfortable giving it a little
bit higher evaluation at $1,500 to $2,500.

1443
01:24:28,915 --> 01:24:35,295
Any, any questions or objection to
consent?

1444
01:24:35,842 --> 01:24:36,067
No, ma'am.

1445
01:24:36,549 --> 01:24:40,625
Thank you, Kyle. The next item on the
agenda is Resolution 26-101,

1446
01:24:40,625 --> 01:24:45,751
a resolution authorizing the purchase of
equipment for Nolensville Fire and Rescue.

1447
01:24:45,751 --> 01:24:48,963
Any discussions, questions, or objection
to consent?

1448
01:24:48,963 --> 01:24:51,248
But also would love to hear from you.

1449
01:24:51,248 --> 01:24:52,685
Sure.

1450
01:24:52,766 --> 01:24:57,870
So, uh, earlier in the year you guys
approved a new truck for us for a brush

1451
01:24:57,870 --> 01:24:58,273
approved a new truck for us for a brush
truck.

1452
01:24:58,273 --> 01:25:02,302
Um, so this first one, um, is for the
actual, uh, Skid unit,

1453
01:25:02,302 --> 01:25:07,540
which is the pump and the hose and the
reel, to go into the bed of that truck.

1454
01:25:07,540 --> 01:25:12,980
We chose to go this route so if there ends
up being a problem or an accident with

1455
01:25:12,980 --> 01:25:18,487
that truck, we can actually take that skid
out and just place it into a new truck.

1456
01:25:18,487 --> 01:25:23,927
The one we have now currently is all built
in and is also causing us some issues.

1457
01:25:23,927 --> 01:25:27,150
So we got a quote from Siddons Martin,
which is—

1458
01:25:27,150 --> 01:25:27,791
Sittins Martin.

1459
01:25:28,572 --> 01:25:33,318
The manufacturer that they use or that
they contract with really was a low

1460
01:25:33,318 --> 01:25:33,832
they contract with really was a low
profile,

1461
01:25:33,832 --> 01:25:38,193
worked really well for us, and then it's
on the SourceWell contract,

1462
01:25:38,193 --> 01:25:40,438
so everything was on the up and up.

1463
01:25:40,438 --> 01:25:45,823
All right, any questions or objection to
consent agenda for 26-101?

1464
01:25:45,823 --> 01:25:49,439
All right, the next one is Resolution
26-102,

1465
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:55,145
a resolution authorizing the purchase of
Trucker's Lighthouse equipment

1466
01:25:55,145 --> 01:25:57,717
for Nolensville Fire and Rescue.

1467
01:25:57,717 --> 01:26:00,097
So this is just the light package.

1468
01:26:00,097 --> 01:26:04,438
Like Chief Armour said, this stuff is
getting crazy expensive.

1469
01:26:04,438 --> 01:26:06,468
This is a very basic package.

1470
01:26:06,468 --> 01:26:10,808
It's just— it's Whelen lights, and they
have a great warranty,

1471
01:26:10,808 --> 01:26:13,748
and the install is a professional install.

1472
01:26:13,748 --> 01:26:18,649
They're on the state contract, and this is
really just a bare minimum.

1473
01:26:18,649 --> 01:26:22,639
It's a light bar. Some lights in the
grill, the tailgate,

1474
01:26:22,639 --> 01:26:27,889
just the bare minimum for us to be safe if
we're using it on the roadway or

1475
01:26:27,889 --> 01:26:33,770
off-road. So that's just through Trucker's
Lighthouse to outfit the pickup once it's

1476
01:26:33,770 --> 01:26:35,590
here sometime in November.

1477
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:40,957
All right, any questions or objection to
consent? Thank you, Gene.

1478
01:26:40,957 --> 01:26:45,673
We've already been through item— item I,
Resolution 26-10.

1479
01:26:45,673 --> 01:26:51,121
And so that takes us to any other business
for the workshop agenda.

1480
01:26:51,121 --> 01:26:56,406
Seeing— well, we do have a groundbreaking
ceremony next Thursday,

1481
01:26:56,406 --> 01:27:00,390
October 1st at 5:00 PM for Chris Bond
Brown Park,

1482
01:27:00,390 --> 01:27:06,733
which I believe invitations have been
extended to the community to participate

1483
01:27:06,733 --> 01:27:06,896
extended to the community to participate
in

1484
01:27:06,896 --> 01:27:11,449
that. So I know that we would all love to
see you there.

1485
01:27:11,449 --> 01:27:18,279
And then also the Founders Day celebration
is Saturday, October 3rd at 11— 11. Okay.

1486
01:27:18,279 --> 01:27:21,938
Yeah. October 3rd at 11 AM here at Town
Hall.

1487
01:27:21,938 --> 01:27:28,200
We should have several people speaking
during the event and a ceremonial time

1488
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:34,542
capsule and would also love to have the
community participate in that event as

1489
01:27:34,542 --> 01:27:34,948
community participate in that event as
well.

1490
01:27:34,948 --> 01:27:36,900
Any other announcements?

1491
01:27:36,900 --> 01:27:40,339
There is a 5K

1492
01:27:40,339 --> 01:27:43,249
Saturday or

1493
01:27:43,249 --> 01:27:45,101
Sunday?

1494
01:27:45,101 --> 01:27:46,413
Sunday, Kendall's K.

1495
01:27:46,413 --> 01:27:50,677
Um, it is a— an event that has been put on
for several years now.

1496
01:27:50,677 --> 01:27:55,859
Kendall was one of our sweet residents in
Nolensville who passed away too soon,

1497
01:27:55,859 --> 01:28:00,189
and this honors her and the transition
program at the high school.

1498
01:28:00,189 --> 01:28:05,436
And so if you have not, you can sign up
for the 1K and come out and participate.

1499
01:28:05,436 --> 01:28:08,192
There is a student or children's fun area.

1500
01:28:08,192 --> 01:28:12,259
The town will be represented there along
with police and fire,

1501
01:28:12,259 --> 01:28:16,326
and there will be several other things for
the children to do.

1502
01:28:16,326 --> 01:28:21,049
And if you are so inclined, you only have
to run a lap, so it's not bad.

1503
01:28:21,049 --> 01:28:26,166
But it's a great day to get out and be
included in our special needs students.

1504
01:28:26,166 --> 01:28:31,085
So come on out on Sunday, and it's
supposed to be a lot cooler, so it'll be

1505
01:28:31,085 --> 01:28:31,479
supposed to be a lot cooler, so it'll be
great.

1506
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:37,422
All right, any other announcements or a
motion to adjourn?

1507
01:28:37,422 --> 01:28:38,450
Motion to adjourn.

1508
01:28:38,450 --> 01:28:40,104
Second.

1509
01:28:40,104 --> 01:28:42,385
All in favor of adjourning signify by
saying aye.

1510
01:28:42,819 --> 01:28:42,996
Aye.

1511
01:28:43,462 --> 01:28:45,807
All opposed? Motion passes unanimously. We
are adjourned.