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And we'll move to item H because of floor opening, floor to citizens' desire to address the council, the governing authority.

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We're here today because there has been an appeal of the certificate of appropriateness.

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He's already been able to obtain what he has to obtain because the architecture view board is what they're supposed to do.

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They only looked at the design and set up standards of this property here.

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That is what they're required to do.

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The architecture view board, they are not an engineering board.

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They are not experts in stormwater management here.

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There are- There are both insure and architectural and design standards.

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And that's what they did in this instance.

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They're- They're supposed to look at only architectural and aesthetic standards.

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That isn't the plainly written indigent item, that's plainly written in the total democracy ordinance.

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That is what they're supposed to do, and that is what they did in this case.

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They correctly inserted this, they only looked at aesthetic and design standards.

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And they said that this property correctly matches the surrounding heritage area of this neighborhood.

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There was concern about the trees that needed to come down on the property that was the road to control.

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We pushed in our constant objection letter, a letter by Arborist saying that those trees need to come down anyways.

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You know, those trees are leading over onto the roadway. They're leading towards other properties.

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And those are going to need to come down anyways throughout the process.

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And there was a video of the Texas appeal appealing some stormwater running down onto its pellet property.

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The stormwater was clearly already an issue on the property far for CGT development.

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And the stormwater that was shown in that video is actually not even slowing down the

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amount of property.

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It's slowing down onto a parcel owned by the City of Marlborough.

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So not mentioning this.

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In an effort to show that we are dedicated to the preservation of this neighborhood,

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we are willing to do, we're willing to do a performance stormwater hydrology

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We're going to do a study to show what we can do to stay in the

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north of the city.

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If you want to please consider the follow-up of the seven regarding agenda item number four and five.

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We have heard that you are responsible for revealing and maintaining design standards in the historic district.

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So design standards include the structure and how appropriate it is for the architectural character of the neighborhood and community.

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These structures are referenced consistently in the cities of Illinois, specifically architectural

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design students for a high-store district, the 2024 PGT and Green Infrastructure Plan

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and the 2045 Comp Plan.

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What I have in mind when I want to offer a four-point, the size and dimensions of

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the infrastructure process proposes the most part of the street.

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They are not similar to or comparable with the size and mass of the majority of existing

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structures and neighborhoods.

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that essentially help the next door structures and especially the lower to the left sides.

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Now I'm actually currently excavating the area where I want to do the architectural stuff

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on the 65th Street with Asian or...

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I'm

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covering two properties you want to see twice.

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I'm repeating, I just know items number four and five.

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I'm going to make sure I...

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There are all of them.

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There are all of them.

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There are all of them.

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All of them.

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All of them.

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So they have an opportunity to extract them each.

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Each one.

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So I believe each one of us can just take any one of them out.

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It's up to you.

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We're getting out of order here.

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Go ahead, Big.

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How many people do you have on your record?

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Well, during the intervening, the board wondered

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if the architectural stuff offered 60 Barton Street

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with Asian or French Renaissance.

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Needless to tell, it reflects the character of Barton Street

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or the historic district.

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It was originally developed in the 1800s and early 1900s.

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History should cement architectural precedence

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in Norfolk's historic district, not builders.

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Now, the potential timelines admitted in Alderman-Hudson Historic District has to be at least 80% unenviable

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before it can be demolished, according to the previous owner of 146 North Barton.

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His inspector reported it's a solid living structure.

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The plan for SRB, reviewed for 16 North Barton, shall have to propose for a plus-incorporated lot

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and be not requested to point for drop in Topo.

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This is the last of a shared driveway that would accommodate major construction in that area.

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Even if the existing retaining wall along North Park will eventually be compromised.

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The structures of this house design would be extensive, steepest slope and roof lines would also result in hundred miles and increased velocity as you ever want to run off.

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We're now going to be headed in North Barton Street. We're going to be running straight towards this wall.

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and what it would look like if it was home to a disqualification of the acting Johnston Dean.

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So the engineering would be made required to find an operation.

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It's the best that will resolve an architectural disorder,

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because of a different from the one the other.

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Every dean has already reviewed it.

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Let's see a place of work, the appeal,

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and let's see the glory of the authority and the glory of the justice design

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and please consider having at least a second independent education plan on the 147

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before getting the award of the Exile Demolition.

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Thank you.

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This is a public comment from our criticism.

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Great.

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Brian Hart, C.C.L.A. North Barton Street.

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I want to start the appeal for this property that Mr. Hart is in.

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I'm going to be brief.

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I'll try to do that in a minute, in total, but I want to ponder.

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I want to put some nuggets in your mind, maybe you can think about it,

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and I think we'll approach this while we're hearing this coming up.

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The big picture is not just through the water, but through the training mall.

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The entire lot that Sam bought and subdivided was all based off a shared driveway.

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That was what he agreed to. That is what the city agreed to.

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Unfortunately there were two or three different city community development directors that went through the process.

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They all agreed to this shared driveway, but it wasn't written.

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So, it's still an agreement on whether it was written or not.

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It wasn't an agreement

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from the three commons.

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There's other commons for this panel.

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Q. Mark, 5920 from New Zealand, it took a lot of wind out of us.

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So, I was thinking if you could send a deadline for a meeting.

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But there's one amendment to the Unified Development Orders,

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and then we have the public hearing.

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So, I'll send more commons for that.

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The first and foremost, it's better for a long summer

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for the reform into the DDA. She has been a very strong and vocal support of down-to-down

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issues. She's a local business person. She owns a real estate agency here in town. She

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has a very strong residential real estate background, which we don't have currently

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on the DDA. We've got a lot of OGs with a real estate experience, which brings some

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As you say, a millennial female peak has contributed very strongly to the discussions we've had

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with the DDA, the ability to vote it, the scholarship, the policy work session.

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I'm all for that.

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If it's been assured in your regular meetings, so long as you provide some notice in the agenda

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of what items would qualify for your vote at that particular meeting so that if a resident

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If it is an opportunity to voice their opinion on a particular matter, they can do so knowing

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that it may only be heard or come up at one particular meeting and not the two meeting

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formats that you currently have.

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So to whatever you can in a short of a meeting, but make sure that folks are aware of what

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you have to do.

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But thank you very much.

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And thanks for your service to North Cross.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else at this time?

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Seeing no movement, we will go into comments from Council at this time.

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Any updates?

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I don't have any updates.

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I'd like to congratulate Council Member Myers and Council Member Dana on your reelection.

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I'd also like to thank Ms. Murray and Ms. Spitzer who ran the fact that we have elections.

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Congratulations, Mayor, as well.

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and thank you all of you for stepping forward and agreeing to serve us one more time for it again.

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The

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other question.

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A household answer.

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Relative to the trees, I know that there was an African plant in the trees along Beaver Island

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and some of them partied of his service in Hill.

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Is there a plan to address them?

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No, the single, single shrunk, two burglars are under warranty.

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I do not know if the installment realizes how bad the shape they are in.

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Robert, Mr. R. R. New Executive Director is reviewing that,

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and we do commit to having a better dialogue with the city moving forward about mass plantings like that.

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Any other Council moving

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down to your comments from City Manager?

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Maybe you're looking at it too well with the City Attorney race.

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I just want to point out that we do appreciate public comment.

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that are part of a public hearing,

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as the attorney indicated, they're part of the public record.

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But then I say, come up and talk at either of our open public

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comments opportunities for the public to work

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section in their council meeting.

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We take your comments seriously.

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I personally look at what people have brought up,

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just to respond to it.

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I know that we've completed students over the last month

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that had multiple periods of interest when it was featured in the album.

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And it's interesting because the feedback we received was that a lot of people didn't know what was going on.

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And from our perspective, that project has been in the works for some time in multiple meetings

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and multiple agendas and has signposted for many of those meetings.

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I will say that community development has developed new signs, larger signs.

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So you can understand what they're for, and hopefully larger signs along with background

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and process. Selected communications manager will look at digital opportunities to get

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those types of issues out to the community.

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And I think we've looked at, in fact, that even though some of the comments from the public

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really don't relate to a particular site, they do relate to an area of concern.

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So we have looked at some recommendations that we can make related to how we might

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improvements in the area, one of which would be to look at Barton and his identity because

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of the fact that he placed a form of water on all of them so that you can, and then Barton

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looking at erosion mitigation in Johnson and Preserve because that's where a lot of

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that water ends up flowing and we've known that there's been impacts to the stream

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And then the third would be that we're prepared to talk about whether we change the storm order

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ordinance.

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So the issue of pretty imposed impacts on single family homes could be assessed, or

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I think as right now the threshold is pretty high for where we look at the impact on

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storm order on residential and mental health.

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So I think it's one of some of the bigger issues that have come up in this discussion

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made on these specific to a particular law, but certainly issues that the public has raised

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and we recognize and we can look into. So I just want to put that on the Director of

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Propeer to talk more about that.

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Thank you. And we appreciate the update, the more recent updates that we've been getting.

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They've been quite comprehensive within Council Member Baer, shared one that generated a lot of

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attention with their economic development projects that are happening.

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So, thank you so much for that.

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Okay, let's move down to item I, public hearings.

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For some of you, there's just both of you playing the procedure.

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Each case will begin with a staff introduction.

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The applicant will then be invited to speak,

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either to the applicant or the representative

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or the applicant plus those in favor of the application

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and we'll have a total of 10 minutes to speak on behalf of the application.

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And there will be a total of 10 minutes, a lot of those who wish to speak in opposition

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of the total of 10 minutes to speak in opposition of the application.

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Every opposition completes their input, or the 10 minutes have elapsed.

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The public hearing will be officially closed on itself, and after public comment is closed,

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The council will ask questions of staff or the applicant then deliver it.

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And just to note that we operate under Robert's rules of order to maintain clarity, fairness, and efficiency.

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Members will speak to the mayor.

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Motions should be made clearly and votes will be taken after the discussion.

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So we'll now open up public hearing.

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We'll begin with public hearing 2025, the S320, SUP 2020-5-0-0-5-hella.

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This is consideration of an adult

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big-care center in an M1 light industry zoning.

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and Monday provided.

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That's why I'm here for all the time

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called them to the activity room, exercise room,

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or if they're at a media room, kitchen,

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dining room, radio room, and administrative offices.

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Second of the time going there,

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recommend the formal work conditions.

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Members, after approval, we will make sure

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meet all the conditions, and we will maintain the property

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to achieve the series goal.

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And if you have a question, I can answer.

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That information will, at this time, we'll open the floor for Congress and the public.

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If you have any comments or concerns, you must come to the once.

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All right.

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If you'd like to come to the podium at this time, you certainly may do so.

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Seeing all a little bit, is there anyone in opposition?

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Okay, at this point we will turn our account to be further conversations, communications

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over to Council for any questions or concerns that they may have.

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Okay?

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Since there are no questions, you will entertain a motion.

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I would like to make a motion about the primary countries that refer to PD-25 cashiers

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or clients who are allowed to be an adult day care center and add T2-1 to your order

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So I'm going to be with the recommended conditions as presented by staff, and the planning is on the board.

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We have a motion and a second from Council Member Pickham.

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Very good.

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We have a motion for moving the question.

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Seeing none, all in favor, let it be known by raging your audience at the time.

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All right.

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We'll both at the same time.

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Motion passes.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Just moved down to public area 20, 85, 3, 2, 1. That's a rezone consideration of rezoning to M1 Light Industry District.

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Ellen, would you present?

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C2, general business to M1, the industry, something perfect on a 5.2 for interlaw,

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so it allows students to show users and have their storage.

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The property is currently used for keeping services,

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and the property owners are keeping searching for a new tenant, so there is no crime or abuse.

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The PAPPR is considering a permanent rental of your cell,

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including a rental and parking.

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The keeping services and building material use.

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The applicant intends to leave the site as it is.

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If that's not planning and zoning,

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I recommend that we move its condition.

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Thank you, Ella.

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Okay, so this time we're live in the floor

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for any public comment?

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Okay.

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I'm sorry.

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Can I, can you?

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I've called the council member, Meyer,

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and I forgot to move a verity

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of items.

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We're gonna do the

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last meeting at Jigel,

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the site plan that we just got to powerline each minute

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We've read, so

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come up through this, through Councillor Baier with the small, creative ones.

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He

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has a 25 foot buffer from the small line, I hear the city's 50.

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And he's probably questioning really what we can do now about the

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depth or width that we're

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asking.

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And this is continuously

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minimal.

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I was wondering

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if we had 25 people in this area.

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It's kind of a search for me to name a board against our...

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And that's the focus that you see on the light that's the north side of the property.

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They're building on both sides inside probably the VP of the buffer between the creek anyway.

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So the left there is a road or a driveway if you will that's not used to park vehicles or equipment, that sort of thing.

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The

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south side is that road pine trees you see just outside of that.

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I went out and walked with a pretty measure of 12.5 feet.

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We could put up a fence and put, as you want, planning.

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Hollywood was whatever inside of that fence.

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It was kind of restoration.

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It gives a little bit more experience, I suppose,

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because what you're looking for, as far as the buffer,

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it is just you, as you impose it,

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it gives you a 75 feet of proper support.

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So

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that's what we're asking.

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It's pretty much a continued use.

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And I guess at one point, why you need to reason on it is you look in your zoning codes

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and see how phone support doesn't allow.

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I

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think that's our first and one by the next generation.

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That's

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obviously the deal with the 2040B.

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Typically that's designed for new development.

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We're not going to put a shovel in the ground, build a building.

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I think you saw my cell plan before.

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How much that 2040B increases.

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Okay, at this time we will open for the public for any one that would like to speak in support

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of the freedom,

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but anyone that would like to speak in opposition of this reason,

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I think

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of our two channels, two of which are

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summer bars,

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and two of which are waterfowl.

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It will come from up next year away,

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and I think a few of our other variances

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are in terms of this completely different application.

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We're going to work on this with .5 for a 50-footer

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70-footer with intercity boundaries.

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In my understanding, our information

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will take that heat for closeings

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a lot better than the three zones.

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And we're going to work on this with that

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that's a long process of policy.

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So we need to hear what necessarily

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I think that's our part of that conversation.

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As dream buffer variants could be given concurrently,

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but we haven't noticed this for concurrent variants

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with full stream buffer.

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As strict to that is the 25-foot buffer is a state buffer,

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so you have just overlapping regulations,

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so there's nothing that we could do tonight

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for this 25-foot buffer.

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And really, we need to have this noticed

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as I confirm here, and it's pretty strange and awful.

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Okay.

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So, I think it's that fast that I've already

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done my work for, you know,

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to position the other candidates.

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The thing is, we still have to talk about

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a political-related condition, which is very important.

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I think that we need to do that

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first with broader, the applicants opinion that

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of course, it's not that hard to wait until October

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or something, to write to the individual,

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in my opinion, to be additional

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for the rest of the community,

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you know, that is not even a,

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is it?

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It's not a certain age group, or parents.

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Well, that's the

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way in,

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we know those first year in a second,

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and so the results and the sort of document,

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obviously, has some of the two of those buildings to help.

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But then, based on the results,

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particularly that use of the local people,

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the children, and the people,

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the day was certainly,

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for the rainbow,

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for the particularities around it,

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and so I'm trying to stay out of this,

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because I'm over the ward,

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and it's, it has to be there, but I think we have people

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who get to be sometimes, since judgment,

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and that's my opinion, and we can check those.

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I mean, because of that,

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if you post a video on the team,

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in my opinion, that would know how many of you

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see me, but I don't want to care for your area,

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for your, I'm sorry to say, 20.8 and 20.45,

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that's a pretty bad as well.

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That's my reminder to address my concern.

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Okay.

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Can I just put it on one thing, would you send us in on that?

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Do you have the ability to just say that?

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I

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think I would come

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up with a stream of barbarians.

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Yeah, of course.

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Okay.

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This is what we're going to do tonight.

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We can go on this tonight with moving this to Objectivity Stuff.

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I'm back for a stream of barbarians.

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I'll hold it there for a second.

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I'm still on my right.

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Right now, you're still.

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I've got an average of 80.

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The question

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is whether we're two of the city.

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I

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think you can proceed to replace it in front of you

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because you can't see it on the wall.

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It's pretty strict, both.

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Sure, you're going to be brought in front of you

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and put it in front of you on a public agenda,

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but I just believe being assigned in the game.

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Perfect.

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I'm going to turn it over to the president

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of the United States R&D, 25-005,

456
00:42:47,820 --> 00:42:49,320
reason why the press party is sitting

457
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,840
to begin running a wetting industrial business

458
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,080
in the United States, which the president is

459
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,960
to make the conditions as presented by the site

460
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,420
and the planning going forward.

461
00:42:58,660 --> 00:43:00,860
And we might as well continue to do that.

462
00:43:00,860 --> 00:43:00,960
So

463
00:43:05,020 --> 00:43:06,080
we have a motion on the floor

464
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,460
and we have a motion and a second on the floor

465
00:43:10,380 --> 00:43:12,800
to move forward with the suggestion item,

466
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,360
minus three and four.

467
00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:16,900
Any additional questions?

468
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,060
I can have one briefly.

469
00:43:22,380 --> 00:43:23,720
When can this be brought back?

470
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:31,810
The recertion applies if there is a denial.

471
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:33,550
So it can be submitted

472
00:43:33,550 --> 00:43:36,090
and it wouldn't be the very next agenda.

473
00:43:36,090 --> 00:43:38,890
I know we have to go through the publication there at this point.

474
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,040
I'm not sure exactly when the publication will end up.

475
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,800
As soon as he submits an application for stream waters,

476
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,380
it can come back in front of you.

477
00:43:57,580 --> 00:43:59,340
But those are two different stations.

478
00:43:59,580 --> 00:44:01,160
I don't know if that's all there.

479
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:02,180
That's real hill.

480
00:44:02,340 --> 00:44:02,780
Where are we going?

481
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:04,000
Yeah.

482
00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:07,340
I was going to ask, is that something that just goes to

483
00:44:07,340 --> 00:44:10,340
planning and zoning for change?

484
00:44:10,340 --> 00:44:14,200
and it's just us.

485
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:14,780
All right.

486
00:44:17,420 --> 00:44:18,680
Any other questions?

487
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,260
Okay, we do have a motion on the floor.

488
00:44:23,620 --> 00:44:25,940
That's been made by Councilor Verrano-Sacred,

489
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:27,320
by Council member Cheek.

490
00:44:27,860 --> 00:44:29,460
Any other questions?

491
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:33,460
Any objections to move the question?

492
00:44:34,460 --> 00:44:35,500
Seeing that all in favor,

493
00:44:35,700 --> 00:44:37,860
let me know by raising your right hand and saying aye.

494
00:44:38,340 --> 00:44:38,860
Aye.

495
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:39,420
Opposed?

496
00:44:39,620 --> 00:44:42,800
Thanks very much.

497
00:44:45,340 --> 00:44:46,260
Okay,

498
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:59,300
let's move to item three. That's the 20-25 free dash.

499
00:45:00,460 --> 00:45:07,260
Yes, 321, resounding consideration of resounding the Pupin Highway District.

500
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:08,240
Pupin

501
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:19,420
Air, so this replication RT-2020-5-004 is applicable to our process to resound our

502
00:45:19,420 --> 00:45:25,720
properties from HX to Ford District to be HG for a role with non-development proposal site.

503
00:45:26,380 --> 00:45:31,840
After the policy work session, the Pupin Highway District send application to withdraw with

504
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:39,740
So we're starting to make motion to approve the withdrawal of the project.

505
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:47,770
Would the applicant like to

506
00:45:58,300 --> 00:45:59,660
confirm any

507
00:46:06,190 --> 00:46:07,370
comment from the public?

508
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:10,280
Seeing no movement.

509
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:16,970
We will revert back to council for further discussion.

510
00:46:22,340 --> 00:46:26,080
Now move we accept the withdrawal without prejudice of the session.

511
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,340
We have a motion to accept the withdrawal.

512
00:46:30,340 --> 00:46:31,580
Do I have second or second?

513
00:46:31,740 --> 00:46:35,040
Motion second to accept the red girl without prejudice

514
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,780
for rezoning case R as the 2025.

515
00:46:39,260 --> 00:46:40,680
The objection to move into question.

516
00:46:44,940 --> 00:46:46,380
In fact, seeing none, all in favor.

517
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,320
Let me know in my regular item saying aye.

518
00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:50,360
Opposed to same sign.

519
00:46:53,010 --> 00:46:53,470
Okay.

520
00:46:54,050 --> 00:46:54,970
Let's put it on item four.

521
00:46:56,170 --> 00:47:00,490
This is COA 2025-0.7.

522
00:47:00,650 --> 00:47:03,670
This is consideration of a historic demolition

523
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:11,290
and new home and consideration of the application, the applicant's request for demolition of

524
00:47:11,290 --> 00:47:19,130
the historic structure, contributing structure and construction of a new single-family residence.

525
00:47:19,490 --> 00:47:19,990
Here we go, Belle.

526
00:47:21,350 --> 00:47:22,490
Thank you, Mayor.

527
00:47:23,230 --> 00:47:29,730
The OPA 2025-2077, the applicant proposed to do a complete demolition of our construction

528
00:47:29,730 --> 00:47:35,070
the construction of a new home within the National Historic District. Available records from

529
00:47:35,070 --> 00:47:39,710
the Honectomy Connecting Access Sector indicate that the building was constructed in 1920.

530
00:47:40,310 --> 00:47:46,230
As this pertains to the direct Georgia Historic Resources Survey conducted for the site until

531
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:52,070
2007, the existing home is not on the National Register. The Zoning Board of Appeals approved

532
00:47:52,070 --> 00:47:58,910
two variants to reduce the front setback from code required 58 to 28.78 and to increase

533
00:47:58,910 --> 00:48:08,610
The same previous coverage allowed from the maximum 35% to 35.78% for the new home situated on R100 last.

534
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:16,890
We are back from, we are set back from cover five or four feet to a proposed 30 feet.

535
00:48:17,170 --> 00:48:21,970
This is the size of the property in which the, in which it sits at the square feet.

536
00:48:22,430 --> 00:48:26,610
And that's a minimum of 15,000 square feet for our 100 properties.

537
00:48:27,230 --> 00:48:30,890
But we know, you know, not a percent from the joining property owners.

538
00:48:31,930 --> 00:48:32,590
Thank you.

539
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:35,410
Okay, now we're going to have to get back to the board.

540
00:48:36,590 --> 00:48:40,190
Again, we have three minutes for the first session.

541
00:48:41,090 --> 00:48:42,210
This session is just a council meeting,

542
00:48:42,370 --> 00:48:43,110
which is going to be a shame.

543
00:48:43,390 --> 00:48:44,790
We're going to come in 15 minutes,

544
00:48:45,010 --> 00:48:47,210
and we're going to repeat what was going on in Lawrenceville,

545
00:48:47,310 --> 00:48:48,530
here in the half of the applicant.

546
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:52,330
My students and I are requesting your approval

547
00:48:52,930 --> 00:48:55,830
of these items that are on your agenda tonight.

548
00:48:57,650 --> 00:49:00,950
We're going to include the demolition of a structure

549
00:49:00,950 --> 00:49:07,810
within the National Historic District as well as the construction of a mental home according

550
00:49:07,810 --> 00:49:10,230
to the building plan that was submitted with the application.

551
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:16,890
We just submit a PowerPoint presentation prior to tonight's meeting, so it's just possible

552
00:49:16,890 --> 00:49:18,210
to be able to.

553
00:49:21,570 --> 00:49:25,070
It's not just a debate, but I'm ready for the next slide, or do you want to get to it?

554
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:31,500
Thank you.

555
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:32,180
I appreciate that.

556
00:49:32,180 --> 00:49:38,760
So first, I'll just make some general introductory remarks.

557
00:49:39,420 --> 00:49:39,600
Sorry.

558
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,180
You've gone over the presentation.

559
00:49:41,620 --> 00:49:42,280
I've got more to say.

560
00:49:42,420 --> 00:49:42,960
Sorry about that.

561
00:49:43,380 --> 00:49:47,280
Generally, what I would like to communicate first is, tonight,

562
00:49:47,420 --> 00:49:50,780
we would respect the request to count the deferral of these items.

563
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,400
We do feel that the structure at issue

564
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,160
is eligible for demolition.

565
00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:00,560
Demolition of that structure is appropriately given

566
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:05,980
requirements of the code and respectfully we would submit to council that we propose new home

567
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:12,920
since it's compatible with homes in the surrounding area and incorporate the appropriate historical

568
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:20,620
disaster elements that contain active terribly with surrounding homes and keeping with the

569
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:27,340
historic nature of that area of the city. We're also recognizing the importance of preserving

570
00:50:27,340 --> 00:50:32,060
that is your character. We certainly understand and appreciate that. I think that's one of the

571
00:50:32,060 --> 00:50:39,420
items that drew the applicant to Norcross's first place and why she wants to stay in the city in

572
00:50:39,420 --> 00:50:45,860
this home. But deeply that being our request before Council tonight, we would like to request

573
00:50:45,860 --> 00:50:52,260
that any extent Council is not convinced that the structure is eligible for demolition and

574
00:50:52,260 --> 00:50:55,280
demolitions on a footprint, or that we haven't carried water

575
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:00,400
relative to demonstrating the need for demolition,

576
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,140
or that it will be supplied to the proposed home

577
00:51:03,140 --> 00:51:05,960
construction if our focus is not on this

578
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,080
or if it's appropriate with the character of the area,

579
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,340
or has other concerns about the architectural,

580
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,480
proposed architectural style,

581
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:15,480
would it effectively request to deal

582
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:16,760
with the decision on the matter?

583
00:51:18,660 --> 00:51:25,140
we want to, you know, be the example of a good listener who provides as much information

584
00:51:25,140 --> 00:51:30,920
as we can to counsel, I think, from point to the ARB review and positive recommendation

585
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:35,860
which we're focused and encouraged by that, you know, for criminal weather and some concerns,

586
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:41,580
both in the community and maybe even by some on the counter as expressed

587
00:51:41,580 --> 00:51:45,440
at a previous board session meeting or so, you know,

588
00:51:45,700 --> 00:51:48,820
have to be ready and not, of course,

589
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,000
we've had to fill in and everybody from the broader

590
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:57,520
with trying to get back to the first order after eating food,

591
00:51:57,900 --> 00:51:59,100
all day long, I did it.

592
00:51:59,580 --> 00:52:02,440
We just, we want to be able to get in at those two

593
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,640
and start on a new consideration really beginning

594
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,220
to provide the information that's necessary.

595
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,360
So that's a long-winded way of saying we would

596
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,760
We'd respectfully request approval tonight of these items.

597
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:13,580
But please, if the council has concerns

598
00:52:13,580 --> 00:52:14,700
or needs additional information,

599
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,340
we'd respectfully request the opportunity to do that.

600
00:52:18,860 --> 00:52:20,360
And we'll request that

601
00:52:22,820 --> 00:52:23,940
upon each item.

602
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:25,500
So, thanks for the presentation.

603
00:52:25,940 --> 00:52:27,740
Just to give some additional background

604
00:52:28,380 --> 00:52:31,500
relative to these items for council.

605
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,400
So, the, let's see here.

606
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:35,540
So, this is where we're starting.

607
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,280
This is just a start-off of the proposed

608
00:52:38,060 --> 00:52:40,180
architectural style of the home

609
00:52:40,180 --> 00:52:46,900
proposed for 146. Martin, the design we do work to try and incorporate some historic elements

610
00:52:46,900 --> 00:52:54,140
into the facade. So here's the, you know, hone colors from a, you know, historic color palette

611
00:52:54,140 --> 00:52:59,460
in conservation with wooden architects. And we have a white front porch trying to incorporate

612
00:52:59,460 --> 00:53:04,380
a similar column design. It's actually similar to what's on the existing structure right now.

613
00:53:04,380 --> 00:53:07,740
I do incorporate some Victorian decorative accents,

614
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,000
a number of aluminum conveyors,

615
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,460
specifically in the field on the close down,

616
00:53:14,660 --> 00:53:17,640
which is similar to what's shown here in this photograph.

617
00:53:18,540 --> 00:53:21,480
Just to draw an additional background

618
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,400
to why we submit that the proposed home

619
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,640
is compatible with homes in the surrounding area.

620
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,560
These are two homes that are adjacent

621
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:28,640
in subject property.

622
00:53:28,780 --> 00:53:31,880
One was built in 1988, I think the other was built in 1991,

623
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:37,520
on, but a protected well-maintained home, but with, you know,

624
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:41,380
with your style, architecture, those don't meet the criteria

625
00:53:41,380 --> 00:53:45,620
for historic homes under the code, but do you think

626
00:53:45,620 --> 00:53:48,740
that they provide context and help determine what's

627
00:53:48,740 --> 00:53:51,340
compatible for architecture in the area?

628
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:58,020
So here's the existing cottage built apparently in 1920.

629
00:53:58,900 --> 00:54:02,060
It's probably 860 square feet.

630
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:08,060
There's a few elements that have been added on over the years.

631
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:13,640
So the structure that's there now is not necessarily what was originally constructed in 1920.

632
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:18,360
There's the carport you can see on the left-hand side of the building.

633
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:27,580
And additionally, there was an addition that's my understanding that was added to the rear of the structure sometime after original construction.

634
00:54:27,580 --> 00:54:37,380
The major items that were identified by the implementation of microcortons associated

635
00:54:37,380 --> 00:54:45,620
to professional fields and leaders were related to the implementation of the home

636
00:54:45,620 --> 00:54:51,540
and even to additionally, we discovered there were some total infestations, I guess,

637
00:54:51,540 --> 00:54:55,300
This is the correct word for when there are mold,

638
00:54:55,680 --> 00:55:00,740
not only present, but some of the concerns that were raised

639
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,740
were related to the lack of foundation

640
00:55:05,180 --> 00:55:09,600
or the unsuitable nature of the foundation.

641
00:55:09,940 --> 00:55:12,620
There are combinations between two areas

642
00:55:12,620 --> 00:55:15,500
of natural home foundations, especially

643
00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:18,620
underneath the port as well as the addition to the rear.

644
00:55:18,620 --> 00:55:21,480
It's not really the whole number, it's not a foundation there.

645
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,780
The upper floor was erected on just the driveway slab,

646
00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:28,620
so not an appropriate foundation for that type of structure.

647
00:55:29,420 --> 00:55:34,640
But then also, not enough vertical distance between ground underneath the home

648
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,300
and that crawl space, which is relatively short,

649
00:55:39,260 --> 00:55:43,100
which restricts rehabilitation and can create, you know,

650
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,300
higher levels of moisture and getting the mold in the rot.

651
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:50,840
And that's one thing that's sort of detailed in the report from the engineer that was submitted with the application.

652
00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:55,060
Again, this is our proposed architecture of the new home.

653
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:59,480
It's larger, as you can see, but we did try to incorporate, you know, there's...

654
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,080
What the one story taught is there's not a whole lot of solid work with,

655
00:56:03,220 --> 00:56:05,220
but it does have that cover for a porch.

656
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,060
It does have a gable on the front window space in the road.

657
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,660
But I mean, we'll play it through the same design elements in the proposed home.

658
00:56:11,660 --> 00:56:17,520
And there are pictures from photographs showing the, you can see right here in that cross face

659
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:22,460
under the homes, we can see a sort of cross face, it's already being supported

660
00:56:22,460 --> 00:56:24,560
by just full metal jacks.

661
00:56:24,700 --> 00:56:28,880
And the, as noted before, the lack of ventilation at a short height

662
00:56:29,660 --> 00:56:33,020
leads to the structural issues that the engineer appeared in.

663
00:56:35,260 --> 00:56:38,640
And that's an example of some of those portions of the rear structure where there's

664
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:43,320
It's just not the foundation, you can see the wood siding and contact with the ground

665
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:47,360
that creates additional issues and concerns from an engineering standpoint.

666
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:54,440
This is a photograph taken from the molded second plane, so mold was covered inside the home

667
00:56:54,440 --> 00:57:01,320
and of course the remediation efforts that are necessary to remove mold

668
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:06,040
are currently no simple undercutting there.

669
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:11,900
So I'm going to show some additional homes on North Barton, just to provide some background

670
00:57:11,900 --> 00:57:17,080
and provide supporting documentation of why we're happening in fields, why we feel that

671
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:18,740
the architecture is compatible.

672
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,980
There are also some newer construction homes on North Barton.

673
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:29,680
This one I think has two doors down on North Barton Street to the southwest if memory serves.

674
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,960
And so I'll include my presentation there.

675
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:40,360
Thank you very much for your consideration of these requests, again, we'd love to have

676
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,060
some helpful approvals tonight, if you need some of their concerns, your respective requests,

677
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,460
to table the decision on that.

678
00:57:46,980 --> 00:57:51,460
If possible, I would reserve any time I have for a rebuttal, but if you can have it address

679
00:57:51,460 --> 00:57:51,900
any questions.

680
00:57:54,280 --> 00:58:02,020
Okay, we have roughly one mission left for anyone that would like to speak in support.

681
00:58:02,020 --> 00:58:03,060
Seeing

682
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:16,680
no moveback, we will open the floor for those that would like to speak in opposition.

683
00:58:17,700 --> 00:58:23,180
And we could be near information that we'd like for you to share with us.

684
00:58:25,250 --> 00:58:27,430
You can tell us as advice just for the record.

685
00:58:28,130 --> 00:58:31,370
I live on the street. I am very against demolition of structure.

686
00:58:31,870 --> 00:58:39,670
If it is absolutely necessary, I would highly encourage the new structure to resemble as much of the old

687
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:44,010
historic architecture styles that are in our neighborhood or the main in our

688
00:58:44,010 --> 00:58:48,150
neighborhood and in the rest of the community. I would encourage you to even

689
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:52,070
incorporate some of the structure into the new one, but there is precedence on

690
00:58:52,070 --> 00:58:55,770
apartment and park at that corner where they had a similar situation with the

691
00:58:55,770 --> 00:59:00,230
ultra home. So hopefully the 10th history will have precedence not.

692
00:59:01,070 --> 00:59:03,510
Thank you. Anyone else for this time?

693
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:04,510
Okay,

694
00:59:07,230 --> 00:59:11,170
so we'll move to a session by table.

695
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:15,110
Any questions, comments, or concerns of the applicant?

696
00:59:16,930 --> 00:59:17,610
I don't know.

697
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:20,030
I don't know.

698
00:59:20,590 --> 00:59:23,450
The last meeting I asked the applicant,

699
00:59:23,890 --> 00:59:27,710
they conducted an own inspection before they purchased the song.

700
00:59:27,890 --> 00:59:29,910
Can you confirm that they did not?

701
00:59:34,270 --> 00:59:35,630
I don't know.

702
00:59:35,630 --> 00:59:37,950
in the context of their position

703
00:59:37,950 --> 00:59:39,710
by conducting some amount of new diligence.

704
00:59:40,130 --> 00:59:43,270
But forgive me as I look to my client, the audience.

705
00:59:51,940 --> 00:59:55,400
Because the property adjoins where I currently live,

706
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,260
I did not conduct an inspection.

707
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,580
I wanted to buy it because...

708
01:00:05,140 --> 01:00:12,340
And so I participated in this. I knew that there would be some issues. My first inclination

709
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:18,720
had been that I wanted to expand on the existing structure and eventually move there. That was

710
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:23,480
what called forth the whole thing of having the instructional engineer look at the property

711
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:29,380
and see that this was even feasible or possible. And from there is where a lot of this evolved.

712
01:00:31,060 --> 01:00:38,200
You've been spending a lot of money on the initial purchase today, you can control it in your plans of control.

713
01:00:38,380 --> 01:00:40,600
Did you ever envision a 4500 square foot house?

714
01:00:40,860 --> 01:00:42,280
It's about 4500 square foot.

715
01:00:43,060 --> 01:00:45,280
It's about 3600 square foot.

716
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,180
That's about the same size as my current homes.

717
01:00:53,560 --> 01:01:00,120
So there was no question, I was submitting, once we demolished the house, received, um,

718
01:01:00,860 --> 01:01:03,900
you know, market disarmament?

719
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,200
No, no, no, no, no, I'm going to be moved into it.

720
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:12,360
And then I have family who will take my house on North Beach Street.

721
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:13,340
I'm not selling that.

722
01:01:13,460 --> 01:01:14,840
Okay, thank you very much.

723
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:21,100
the other occupants. So here's a complaint which we're updating. We're talking about

724
01:01:21,100 --> 01:01:26,200
the policies and limitations built up around historic character and also the

725
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:31,660
appropriateness in our character is our number four. So policy 1.3 and I apologize if we don't

726
01:01:31,660 --> 01:01:37,080
have these counseled but they are public information. So I'll give you some room but

727
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:42,040
policy 1.3, support opportunities for end-of-development to reflect the

728
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,320
neighborhood character, non-neighborhood society.

729
01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:49,540
Policy 113, presented as one of the traditional historic

730
01:01:49,540 --> 01:01:52,380
architectural landscape character of the downtown corn

731
01:01:52,380 --> 01:01:55,380
surrounding the neighborhood while having a reasonable growth.

732
01:01:56,740 --> 01:01:59,040
Policy 5-2, which is, I find, pretty interesting.

733
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,020
Unfortunately, I was ignorant about it.

734
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,480
C plan opportunities for owner-occupied rehabilitation

735
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,440
rehabilitation homes, which is a community home investment

736
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:10,140
program for owner-occupied rehabilitation homes.

737
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,440
So, and then for the top plan through

738
01:02:17,700 --> 01:02:18,820
the implementation measures,

739
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,240
but it does hint a little bit about the vision.

740
01:02:23,140 --> 01:02:26,620
It's a large concentration of historic homes and resources.

741
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:28,740
The residential areas are made strong.

742
01:02:29,620 --> 01:02:31,300
It gives us some examples of what they are.

743
01:02:32,780 --> 01:02:36,600
And then with reference to the development of land use policies,

744
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,340
the building capacity is no more encouraged by the example

745
01:02:39,340 --> 01:02:42,560
the whole development is in historical characters.

746
01:02:43,220 --> 01:02:45,600
We develop, we develop in the housing city,

747
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:46,780
single-pattern residential,

748
01:02:47,260 --> 01:02:48,980
residential common-access resorts will be.

749
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,560
So it's just, we don't think about the volume

750
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,120
of the historical homes in these communities,

751
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:54,820
neighborhoods.

752
01:02:56,420 --> 01:02:56,720
You

753
01:03:00,050 --> 01:03:00,670
aren't at your home,

754
01:03:01,430 --> 01:03:02,290
but it's downtown,

755
01:03:02,790 --> 01:03:03,690
or across the story,

756
01:03:03,810 --> 01:03:06,750
nor across from the national register of historic places.

757
01:03:07,450 --> 01:03:08,710
I live in a 100-year-old home.

758
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:10,950
I offered the applicant to come visit my home.

759
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:13,370
I had to fight for it back, but who's the hell is?

760
01:03:14,310 --> 01:03:17,110
So I'd love for us to find a way to get the resolution

761
01:03:17,550 --> 01:03:19,230
that can answer some of our questions.

762
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:22,250
My own head molded it as well, we were mediated.

763
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:26,470
So we've done the policies that we have in place

764
01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:28,910
which have not been suggested to be updated.

765
01:03:29,370 --> 01:03:31,290
They're under comp plan, to my knowledge.

766
01:03:32,210 --> 01:03:34,350
I think there's been opportunity for us to work

767
01:03:34,870 --> 01:03:37,490
through staff and also through other resources

768
01:03:37,490 --> 01:03:39,990
to help them have some resources for rehabilitation.

769
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,300
I don't think the house sits in with this sort of character.

770
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,200
We do a lot in the city, and I can tell some of that

771
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,760
from the fact that our lives would have to start home

772
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,520
to them or small houses.

773
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:58,240
This would be a rather large home on a rather small lot.

774
01:03:58,900 --> 01:04:01,620
The fact that the applicant was raised to begin

775
01:04:01,620 --> 01:04:04,640
the applicant additional space in front of the home

776
01:04:05,740 --> 01:04:07,420
is pretty much all seven of these.

777
01:04:07,500 --> 01:04:08,800
The only reason the home is able to be built

778
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:09,620
There's

779
01:04:11,860 --> 01:04:27,460
just so many of them, so many comments, and I think, you know, first, my client, I think, she does that appreciation of Norfolk's historic character, and I think she did it, making a good faith effort to deserve it.

780
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:35,220
I think it was her original intent, as I mean, I think was mentioned in a previous meeting, to renovate and add on to the whole, right?

781
01:04:35,220 --> 01:04:42,320
So in those inspections and in consultation with professional consultants, I think it

782
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:46,960
can take away that such renovation and expansion is actually not feasible, right?

783
01:04:47,100 --> 01:04:48,220
So that steps up.

784
01:04:48,660 --> 01:04:56,280
This house that has been turned into a case with council was not immediately up here

785
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:57,660
to meet, right?

786
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,880
I'm not the smartest lawyer in the state.

787
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:02,540
I'm not the smartest lawyer in the room.

788
01:05:02,540 --> 01:05:07,620
But it was unclear to me what the test is, right?

789
01:05:07,860 --> 01:05:11,220
You know, it is the test whether it is possible

790
01:05:11,220 --> 01:05:16,020
under modern engineering technology to see it at home

791
01:05:16,540 --> 01:05:19,800
or is it an economic feasibility, right?

792
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,060
So, well, I think that's what it is trying to convey

793
01:05:23,740 --> 01:05:28,460
and perhaps we haven't conveyed that fairly enough.

794
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,580
But there was a visitation effort to preserve that home.

795
01:05:31,580 --> 01:05:38,180
and based on the recommendation of professional consultants was the reason why we submitted the application.

796
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:48,380
We'll probably appreciate and acknowledge that if Council feels unconvinced, I think we have more work.

797
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:54,840
I think we've got more that we can show relative to the structural aspects of the home.

798
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,720
We've got more we can show relative to the mold.

799
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:01,620
So we need to just lay that out for council's consideration.

800
01:06:02,500 --> 01:06:11,200
And so I think people who are deaf and hard of hearing appreciate you because we think it's possible that house can be remediated to house can be dead.

801
01:06:11,620 --> 01:06:13,600
And may not be feasible eventually.

802
01:06:14,020 --> 01:06:20,760
If you understand that, there's a lot of that also has been rehabilitated along the way by your related Tony.

803
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:27,980
landscape, beautifully by Kimberly and Tony. So it can be made livable. It just may not

804
01:06:27,980 --> 01:06:32,320
be financial. That's their decision, the landowner. It's our decision whether or not to get to the house now.

805
01:06:33,220 --> 01:06:39,000
So this is not a question of Council's authority to grant or to not do demolition

806
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:44,600
term. And I'm just saying it's not clear in the need that the legal standard that can be lawfully applied

807
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:49,920
is whether it is technically possible to preserve the structure.

808
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,720
I would respectfully suggest that you can do anything,

809
01:06:53,740 --> 01:06:56,040
if anything is possible, then no demolition can occur.

810
01:06:56,820 --> 01:06:58,160
That's everything that you say.

811
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,740
So that's not the legal standard that's applied in the code.

812
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:06,040
And so I certainly am not against the authority to do that,

813
01:07:06,380 --> 01:07:09,760
but I'm proposing that there is, it's got to be somewhere in the middle, right?

814
01:07:10,100 --> 01:07:13,340
And we're not up to your attention that there are puzzles in the floor,

815
01:07:13,340 --> 01:07:17,740
whether it's a public room, so that it's really rotten.

816
01:07:17,940 --> 01:07:20,500
It's like a wooden church.

817
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,320
That's not what we're saying, right?

818
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:26,240
I think it's also not perfect, right?

819
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:30,240
It has some severe challenges facing it.

820
01:07:30,420 --> 01:07:33,060
And so what I think that says is

821
01:07:33,060 --> 01:07:36,740
it cannot be repetitive, but there are probably

822
01:07:36,740 --> 01:07:40,440
more that we can show to demonstrate that.

823
01:07:41,100 --> 01:07:48,460
And so I think that relates to, you know, one component of the request that our core council

824
01:07:48,460 --> 01:07:56,820
has is the demolition questions, which I think, because it seems like maybe we have a lot

825
01:07:56,820 --> 01:08:03,860
to share, but two, I think relative to the proposed architecture of the new model,

826
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:08,780
should the demolition be approved in the birthplace, I think the ones concerned

827
01:08:08,780 --> 01:08:12,640
are progressively addressable, if that's the word.

828
01:08:14,420 --> 01:08:15,880
See how that was submitted?

829
01:08:16,260 --> 01:08:18,440
That's what the facade and architecture of China

830
01:08:18,440 --> 01:08:19,680
was deferred by the applicant.

831
01:08:19,860 --> 01:08:21,900
There was certainly a high rate of submit

832
01:08:21,900 --> 01:08:23,940
to the council to take effort to incorporate

833
01:08:23,940 --> 01:08:26,700
historic elements and treatments to the giggles

834
01:08:26,700 --> 01:08:28,840
and certain other Victorian elements

835
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,860
and building materials and color calipers.

836
01:08:31,460 --> 01:08:35,380
But what's pretty bad is whether there is a lot

837
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:48,020
There's a lot you can do with a facade to add to historical evidence and really have that.

838
01:08:48,500 --> 01:08:51,420
When you look at the structure, how does it have to work out?

839
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:56,840
To make that sort of a personal thought, I think there's a lot that we can do with our architect,

840
01:08:57,100 --> 01:08:59,940
with other side professionals to get in there.

841
01:08:59,940 --> 01:09:03,980
So I actually have two different but related concerns there,

842
01:09:04,020 --> 01:09:06,860
but I think architectural elements is probably

843
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,500
key here of the two to address.

844
01:09:16,060 --> 01:09:18,400
I'm hearing a lot about we need to address this,

845
01:09:18,540 --> 01:09:21,540
we need to, we can do this, possible to do this,

846
01:09:22,340 --> 01:09:23,420
but I don't know who I am.

847
01:09:23,980 --> 01:09:25,560
Yeah, I'm going to try to figure out what you're doing.

848
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:27,980
One way or the other, you're giving me

849
01:09:27,980 --> 01:09:28,920
a little bit of a big signal.

850
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:30,540
Are you thinking that to approve it,

851
01:09:31,140 --> 01:09:33,300
As it is, or if he wants to take the fact,

852
01:09:33,440 --> 01:09:35,880
they were re-addressing, because it was not approved.

853
01:09:36,060 --> 01:09:37,440
It was a 12-month-old or 6-month-old.

854
01:09:37,780 --> 01:09:41,200
For that 12-month-old, I'm not trying to get you here

855
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:42,640
in these times, represent my client.

856
01:09:43,420 --> 01:09:44,960
We don't want her to be a burden tonight.

857
01:09:45,380 --> 01:09:46,820
That's not what we want, right?

858
01:09:47,140 --> 01:09:49,800
But my client wants to be a good neighbor.

859
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,120
She doesn't have to stay in the city.

860
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:51,820
She lives in here.

861
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,120
She wants to stay, she wants to be a good neighbor,

862
01:09:54,300 --> 01:09:56,440
and she wants to be called by her peers and her neighbors

863
01:09:56,440 --> 01:09:58,380
and somebody who did the right thing, right?

864
01:09:58,380 --> 01:10:04,280
So, we would love to be approval of the diet and that's what we would ask for.

865
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:08,640
But just concerns about any aspect of the application, absolutely.

866
01:10:09,020 --> 01:10:12,940
We would ask, you know, please give us the opportunity to address those in more detail.

867
01:10:14,380 --> 01:10:19,960
They're, you know, one of the other, you know, that's what the NRP's meeting,

868
01:10:20,220 --> 01:10:23,560
where we had a positive recommendation to show concerns, seeing the light.

869
01:10:24,020 --> 01:10:27,760
I think we heard about some concerns from members of the community

870
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:31,240
and the evers of the committee and the court here at the College and the Council and the

871
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:35,680
work sessions. And we wanted quite a bit of work for it. I think we were just always

872
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:39,260
just trying to turn it around in two weeks. Well, thanks, you've been picking between. So

873
01:10:40,260 --> 01:10:42,540
it's not really an opportunity to try to be Q.

874
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:47,760
If the county likes it and we're firm in it, we would

875
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,720
love that. If we're not there, we would respectfully request

876
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:55,660
to take a little position and allow us additional opportunity

877
01:10:55,660 --> 01:10:57,120
need to address those concerns.

878
01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:58,360
Thank you.

879
01:10:58,580 --> 01:10:59,880
It's hard to understand.

880
01:11:00,460 --> 01:11:01,380
Because you can't say, we can do better.

881
01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:01,940
We can do better.

882
01:11:01,980 --> 01:11:02,980
We can do better on the sign.

883
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:05,060
And then approve it as it is.

884
01:11:05,420 --> 01:11:07,540
And once we approve it, there's no more sign of standards.

885
01:11:09,740 --> 01:11:11,400
You can demolish it and know what you want.

886
01:11:12,300 --> 01:11:14,380
It's the fault for it was like, because I'm here

887
01:11:14,380 --> 01:11:15,540
and we need to do better.

888
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:17,040
We just choose not to do better.

889
01:11:17,700 --> 01:11:19,680
Well, so I mean, it's not about what you do.

890
01:11:21,460 --> 01:11:22,820
We like the design of the house.

891
01:11:23,380 --> 01:11:24,300
We think it's appropriate.

892
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:38,900
Yeah, sir. Absolutely. I mean, we wouldn't have submitted an application and put forth the effort of hiring design professionals and a builder and that sort of thing if we didn't take it

893
01:11:42,100 --> 01:11:45,000
and her license so much, she wants to build a work there, right?

894
01:11:45,500 --> 01:11:51,440
And so I think what we're just trying to do in a second is what we're going to do

895
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:52,900
is what we submit it to the city.

896
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:53,900
We like it.

897
01:11:54,580 --> 01:11:57,240
If you are done, we want to make you happy.

898
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,680
If you don't like it, then neither do we.

899
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:01,300
Thank you.

900
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:01,460
Right?

901
01:12:01,900 --> 01:12:03,780
Well, we want to try to address it.

902
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:05,160
That's fine.

903
01:12:05,340 --> 01:12:06,280
But I was trying to not make it.

904
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:06,540
Let's see.

905
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,540
We're trying to get it to the end so that we know it's going to be the same time.

906
01:12:09,540 --> 01:12:11,740
And we're the same kind of guys that work here.

907
01:12:11,900 --> 01:12:14,340
We're the same kind of guys that work here.

908
01:12:14,340 --> 01:12:17,060
It really seems like we have two questions in front of us,

909
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,320
one of which is the gatekeeper and the other one.

910
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,020
There are a lot of

911
01:12:25,060 --> 01:12:30,930
reasons why we have to approve

912
01:12:31,690 --> 01:12:33,750
here in our historic home.

913
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:36,710
It's that we have to keep historic homes

914
01:12:37,610 --> 01:12:38,750
within our community.

915
01:12:40,290 --> 01:12:43,470
It's really it's preachy, it's really nice to start

916
01:12:43,470 --> 01:12:52,050
But what you're left with is not the historic community that is more preserved for the future.

917
01:12:53,150 --> 01:13:01,150
At the same time, there's a really large opportunity here for the applicant to take to the existing room.

918
01:13:04,430 --> 01:13:09,910
As needed, you raise it up so you've got, you know, a few minutes and other under the

919
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:11,430
crossbees and add to the back.

920
01:13:12,750 --> 01:13:17,230
I think a lot more than that, you can see it could be done in a short time.

921
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:18,650
You won't, in a short time.

922
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:23,750
So, no, of course it was my day, but it's not.

923
01:13:23,870 --> 01:13:24,810
I love it when you restore it.

924
01:13:25,170 --> 01:13:27,270
You know, I always take a lot of work.

925
01:13:28,130 --> 01:13:29,810
I also know they're worth it.

926
01:13:29,810 --> 01:13:39,850
My story call that's renovated is more valuable than a brand new, freshly built home.

927
01:13:41,290 --> 01:13:50,210
My suggestion, and we get to it, my colleagues, let's table this matter and maybe I shouldn't

928
01:13:50,210 --> 01:13:51,370
bring that up until our discussion.

929
01:13:56,110 --> 01:14:03,570
I'm in favor of denying at this point the square down to begin with, so there's no point in talking about the rest of it.

930
01:14:05,700 --> 01:14:08,400
This is back with better plan for what to do with the existing money.

931
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:41,610
And you go, yeah, that's a good thing.

932
01:14:41,650 --> 01:14:43,130
If you just make sure it's the right character,

933
01:14:43,710 --> 01:14:45,670
if you want to consider it, but if you don't want to,

934
01:14:45,690 --> 01:14:47,990
then we'll say, if you're a character or a design,

935
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:50,530
because if you just want to create a character,

936
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:52,350
it's not going to matter, or if you need to,

937
01:14:52,490 --> 01:14:53,510
or if you don't want to,

938
01:14:54,490 --> 01:14:55,730
you will want to make that a number

939
01:14:55,730 --> 01:14:57,110
that's going to have to go through it.

940
01:14:57,330 --> 01:14:59,490
It's not going to see what you're saying.

941
01:15:04,940 --> 01:15:07,580
The chairman of the district council has the

942
01:15:10,620 --> 01:15:11,240
opportunity to do that.

943
01:15:11,740 --> 01:15:14,720
I'm going to put that on the agenda meeting, the council meeting, the hearing,

944
01:15:14,940 --> 01:15:17,200
but the committee members and councils will all assist.

945
01:15:17,620 --> 01:15:21,160
And to get that done, I'm going to be in the talk of how you reported that.

946
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:22,680
I'm just going to say a lot of stuff.

947
01:15:22,940 --> 01:15:25,420
I'm sure that my peers would have roll calls about that.

948
01:15:25,580 --> 01:15:25,600
Thank you.

949
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:34,540
Mr. Scott.

950
01:15:35,220 --> 01:15:35,960
Hi, Mr. Mayor.

951
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,380
I'd like to move container site item.

952
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:43,240
Florida has a next policy work session.

953
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:47,180
Is that changes to an offtime, or should we move with the policy work session?

954
01:15:50,860 --> 01:16:01,920
We have a motion on the floor to move the unit item, and we have a second all in favor.

955
01:16:02,140 --> 01:16:04,060
I think I'm going to raise my right hand right now.

956
01:16:04,060 --> 01:16:06,960
So, I'm going to move

957
01:16:11,410 --> 01:16:19,230
to item five, which is City Council Bill of the BRB Approval,

958
01:16:19,650 --> 01:16:23,010
COA 2045, 037.

959
01:16:24,050 --> 01:16:27,330
I feel that one is a whole majority of what you

960
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:32,720
may or may not know.

961
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:37,160
So, this is, as mentioned in the policy work section, I wanted to use circumstances

962
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:44,240
This is where Council is being asked to sit as an appellate body for one of the four

963
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:47,060
of the authorities in this case of the Architectural Review Board.

964
01:16:47,220 --> 01:16:54,300
So what we're in front of you tonight is the application that was submitted for this proposal

965
01:16:54,300 --> 01:17:00,800
at 60 Bergen Street in compliance with the architectural review standards and also

966
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,100
with the comprehensive plan.

967
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:07,500
So if this will be a public hearing and everyone will have the opportunity to present

968
01:17:10,100 --> 01:17:10,940
students

969
01:17:10,940 --> 01:17:16,480
that they have in support and in opposition, if there's any questions or see direct answers

970
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:18,920
now, we'll move to the public hearing.

971
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:39,700
Before the presentation, so it's okay to ask for a point on the slide for public

972
01:17:39,700 --> 01:17:40,980
What department are we in?

973
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:41,840
What department are we in?

974
01:17:41,900 --> 01:17:42,840
It's public hearing.

975
01:17:43,060 --> 01:17:46,340
Essentially, you guys are re-hearing the ARB hearing I do.

976
01:17:46,780 --> 01:17:49,260
So, yeah, everything is essentially brand new.

977
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:53,280
That's one thing I should clarify, that's when we go for a vote,

978
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:56,940
I suggest that we just treat this as a brand new application

979
01:17:56,940 --> 01:18:01,260
as opposed to whether or not we are going to approve a appeal

980
01:18:01,260 --> 01:18:03,140
or voting to approve a prior recommendation.

981
01:18:03,660 --> 01:18:05,200
Just treat this as a brand new application.

982
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,020
So, yes, there would be a public hearing.

983
01:18:08,700 --> 01:18:13,380
would be able to speak with performance of the application

984
01:18:13,380 --> 01:18:17,440
and then opposition would be able to speak.

985
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:18,200
Okay.

986
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,440
It's going to be a very successful success.

987
01:18:22,740 --> 01:18:23,500
Constitutional objection.

988
01:18:23,820 --> 01:18:25,300
I don't know if some of our last meeting was.

989
01:18:27,150 --> 01:18:28,370
We rarely did this before.

990
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:28,970
I

991
01:18:31,690 --> 01:18:33,030
knew a lot of people were listening to this.

992
01:18:33,390 --> 01:18:38,010
So we're going to be looking at it before,

993
01:18:38,470 --> 01:18:39,690
feeding the applicant before,

994
01:18:39,690 --> 01:18:42,210
or the local government body.

995
01:18:42,730 --> 01:18:46,190
For example, they say that they believe that

996
01:18:46,750 --> 01:18:49,010
a ordinance for regulation is being applied

997
01:18:49,010 --> 01:18:51,150
against them unconstitutionally.

998
01:18:51,570 --> 01:18:53,790
They have their requirement under Georgia law

999
01:18:54,250 --> 01:18:55,950
to tell you that a set of times

1000
01:18:56,750 --> 01:18:58,990
in a race for constitutional objections

1001
01:18:58,990 --> 01:19:01,830
that's essentially, in any light of notice,

1002
01:19:01,970 --> 01:19:03,590
that we would receive in other contexts.

1003
01:19:04,110 --> 01:19:05,930
But this is more narrowly tailored

1004
01:19:05,930 --> 01:19:07,910
to the constitutionality of an ordinance.

1005
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:15,050
So, preserving rights is regular to see that in a lot of zoning applications, we don't

1006
01:19:15,050 --> 01:19:21,770
seem to see them a lot, but in other jurisdictions, in every application, you'd see something

1007
01:19:21,770 --> 01:19:22,550
along these lines.

1008
01:19:22,890 --> 01:19:26,490
So, in any case, it is right for things.

1009
01:19:32,810 --> 01:19:49,620
the public opinion tenement to, I guess, a rebuttal if the appellant, if the appeal

1010
01:19:49,620 --> 01:19:56,240
is to counsel and then to speak down to the public hearing of condolences, it's not

1011
01:19:59,480 --> 01:20:07,540
it's very awkward. This is an overreview, meaning that everything, the record is brand new. And so,

1012
01:20:07,620 --> 01:20:14,700
essentially, the Council has the recommendation from ARBT. They have that in their agenda project.

1013
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:20,320
The Council is making its own decision and they're making it as a brand new decision, as a brand

1014
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:21,300
and new public hearing.

1015
01:20:22,540 --> 01:20:23,960
So you should be able to know, because it's a full

1016
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:25,580
that it's a public hearing process.

1017
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,620
The Justice of the ARB would have gone through a public hearing

1018
01:20:28,620 --> 01:20:31,260
process, but since it's an annual student,

1019
01:20:31,460 --> 01:20:32,580
any other issues in the ARB?

1020
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:34,080
OK,

1021
01:20:37,250 --> 01:20:42,810
so at this point, we will open the floor for public comment.

1022
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:54,680
And again, I think it's a brand-new application.

1023
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:56,760
Yes,

1024
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:13,370
stay here.

1025
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:17,210
Well, like I said, I'll just have a brief here.

1026
01:21:17,210 --> 01:21:19,770
My name is Ian McCrory, I represent Stan Howington.

1027
01:21:20,150 --> 01:21:24,370
Stan is a builder, he built a number of houses here on Barton Street.

1028
01:21:24,670 --> 01:21:29,730
Based on the previous application, they showed a number of pictures of new builds on Barton Street.

1029
01:21:29,970 --> 01:21:33,550
So my client mentioned to me that all of this house was built in my client, Stan Howington.

1030
01:21:34,110 --> 01:21:38,670
So this property, every year while there is a number of old, before homes,

1031
01:21:39,190 --> 01:21:44,750
it is mixed into the number of new builds on this property, which all are beautiful homes on the street here.

1032
01:21:44,750 --> 01:21:47,210
but I am going to kind of touch here.

1033
01:21:47,550 --> 01:21:49,790
I did an accomplished objection letter.

1034
01:21:50,090 --> 01:21:51,290
That is pretty standard business.

1035
01:21:51,610 --> 01:21:52,990
That's just us, you know,

1036
01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:56,670
waiving or reserving our rights in case of another appeal here.

1037
01:21:57,170 --> 01:21:58,690
It is just standard business here.

1038
01:21:58,850 --> 01:22:01,770
So I put them before the council here after this,

1039
01:22:01,890 --> 01:22:04,010
you know, 30 days since hearing to render a decision.

1040
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:06,230
We put everything in that letter.

1041
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:08,210
The record is all in there.

1042
01:22:08,610 --> 01:22:10,390
We have our architecture review board,

1043
01:22:10,630 --> 01:22:12,370
our, so we get the reference application

1044
01:22:12,370 --> 01:22:13,170
that's all in there.

1045
01:22:13,170 --> 01:22:18,530
We're going to review that record early and look at everything, but we're here today because

1046
01:22:18,530 --> 01:22:24,730
there was an initial file after my client was transferred to this kid's gift of appropriateness

1047
01:22:24,730 --> 01:22:27,270
following his architecture of new board hearing.

1048
01:22:28,010 --> 01:22:32,970
Mr. Howie did my client he's a builder, he represents a property owner there on 60 Barton

1049
01:22:32,970 --> 01:22:33,310
Street.

1050
01:22:33,970 --> 01:22:38,590
He was very early stages of building home there for the property owner at 60 Barton

1051
01:22:38,590 --> 01:22:42,310
Street and more across and in that process he's already had to go in front of the

1052
01:22:42,310 --> 01:23:01,170
architecture view board. He's already been granted a certificate of appropriateness from the board, and within the process of doing that, he showed that the home was consistent with the architectural design and aesthetic guidelines, standards of similarly situated homes on Barton Street, Sunset, Buchanan and surrounding area.

1053
01:23:01,170 --> 01:23:02,990
He was able to do that.

1054
01:23:03,130 --> 01:23:08,670
The architecture review board agreed with him and they found that his design was of the

1055
01:23:08,670 --> 01:23:15,450
standards of Norcross that met the design aesthetic standards of Norcross in the Norcross

1056
01:23:15,450 --> 01:23:15,870
Code.

1057
01:23:16,650 --> 01:23:21,230
And one thing that's important here and that was framed by Bill here in his agenda item

1058
01:23:21,230 --> 01:23:26,730
is that the architecture review board, they are there to interpret design and aesthetic

1059
01:23:26,730 --> 01:23:27,150
standards.

1060
01:23:27,530 --> 01:23:29,410
That is the number one reason that they exist.

1061
01:23:29,410 --> 01:23:31,990
It's the same corporate design, it's set of standards.

1062
01:23:32,750 --> 01:23:36,190
I put them on architectural in my constitutional

1063
01:23:36,190 --> 01:23:37,050
ejection letter.

1064
01:23:37,630 --> 01:23:41,930
The power is conferred upon the ARB inside the board,

1065
01:23:42,150 --> 01:23:44,550
inside the PO section 103.5.

1066
01:23:44,750 --> 01:23:47,130
So the architecture of the board is hereby created

1067
01:23:47,130 --> 01:23:49,730
where the ARB shall be the review authority

1068
01:23:49,730 --> 01:23:51,790
of current applications related to the following.

1069
01:23:51,950 --> 01:23:53,710
The new construction of residential facades

1070
01:23:53,710 --> 01:23:56,850
including pink color, new construction for medical facades,

1071
01:23:56,850 --> 01:24:01,690
Modification of existing commercial thoughts, public building thoughts, public monuments, and pavilions.

1072
01:24:02,250 --> 01:24:06,390
So these are all things, all architectural and aesthetic concerns.

1073
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:16,050
The appeal here was brought by Mr. Reinhardt, and it only raises form-water water concerns.

1074
01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:22,310
And that's important because that doesn't raise any architectural or aesthetic concerns at all.

1075
01:24:22,410 --> 01:24:24,110
It only raises form-water concerns.

1076
01:24:24,110 --> 01:24:29,990
Now, there being it's not an engineering board, it's not a stormwater runoff concern,

1077
01:24:30,250 --> 01:24:35,690
we contend that we're going to have to deal with all that in real life when we apply for a land disturbance permit.

1078
01:24:36,630 --> 01:24:41,310
But here, you know, the appeal is filed and it doesn't raise any concerns,

1079
01:24:42,930 --> 01:24:45,990
and all it does is raise stormwater runoff concerns,

1080
01:24:46,530 --> 01:24:51,630
and in the appeal there was video that I'm sure you all have all seen,

1081
01:24:51,630 --> 01:24:58,190
and it showed stormwater runoff running on to what Mr. Reinhardt reported to be his property.

1082
01:24:58,690 --> 01:25:00,510
That's not even Mr. Reinhardt's property.

1083
01:25:00,830 --> 01:25:04,150
It is his property that is actually owned by the city of Warcross.

1084
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:10,330
And upon information and belief, it is actually designed to be for stormwater runoff concerns.

1085
01:25:10,610 --> 01:25:13,730
There is a culvert on that property owned by the city of Warcross.

1086
01:25:14,370 --> 01:25:16,070
So that's what it exists for.

1087
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:24,970
Our number one concern here is we don't want Mr. Howardson to be saddled with having to deal with this form of management, this type of area.

1088
01:25:25,710 --> 01:25:29,910
He should not have to be saddled with us. This is just an architectural review board.

1089
01:25:30,530 --> 01:25:36,990
Some certificate of appropriate shown that his property and his sign is compatible with this surrounding area.

1090
01:25:37,210 --> 01:25:42,790
And that's what it is. He built other houses in this area. His home is consistent with other homes in this area that he's built.

1091
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:46,910
to the architecture review board agree with that and put their sample approval on that.

1092
01:25:47,530 --> 01:25:52,630
You know, the architecture review board did not do any review of the form water or engineering

1093
01:25:52,630 --> 01:25:54,830
concerns because they're not really supposed to do that.

1094
01:25:54,950 --> 01:26:00,950
That's for a review when Mr. Halsey does an LDP permit and a building permit and we'll

1095
01:26:00,950 --> 01:26:01,490
get to that.

1096
01:26:01,910 --> 01:26:07,010
But I just want to do a little bit of rebuttal here as I did with all the comments.

1097
01:26:07,770 --> 01:26:11,370
There's been a lot of issues raised about a retaining wall and a removal of a retaining

1098
01:26:11,370 --> 01:26:11,710
wall.

1099
01:26:11,710 --> 01:26:20,430
We don't plan on the moving or retaining wall, we plan on moving a small section of the retaining wall, but not at City Barton Street, which is the subject property here.

1100
01:26:20,890 --> 01:26:27,810
We plan on removing a section of the Atterbury Garden Street, the property next door, which is not across the street from the appellate property.

1101
01:26:28,730 --> 01:26:34,150
And the trees, there's been other concern raised about removing trees at the subject property.

1102
01:26:34,150 --> 01:26:36,410
Those trees already need to come down.

1103
01:26:36,570 --> 01:26:39,390
We have an arborist letter attached to this constant

1104
01:26:39,390 --> 01:26:40,490
from the actual letter thing.

1105
01:26:40,610 --> 01:26:41,890
Those trees are leaning over,

1106
01:26:42,370 --> 01:26:45,550
or if it's concerned, the canopy is all overgrown,

1107
01:26:45,730 --> 01:26:46,890
leaning towards the roadways,

1108
01:26:47,130 --> 01:26:48,710
leaning towards actually the appellate path.

1109
01:26:48,930 --> 01:26:50,690
So those trees need to come down.

1110
01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:56,670
Another thing that I want to praise is Ms. Fowler,

1111
01:26:56,770 --> 01:27:00,510
Ms. Dr. P. Fowler, she's, importantly,

1112
01:27:00,510 --> 01:27:16,610
not the appellant here. She raised another, she issued a letter, she sent it in. She's not the appellant. She raised a number of architectural issues, but she's not the appellant here. I would like the council to focus here on the appellant who's the Reinhardt's in his field.

1113
01:27:16,610 --> 01:27:20,470
not as much as an issue here, that's in front of the council, that's about an issue.

1114
01:27:21,390 --> 01:27:25,870
But, um, I'm not standing this, you know, I've already had a conversation with Bill Steele and Mooder.

1115
01:27:26,110 --> 01:27:30,170
We're not required to do this, but in an effort to show that we're dedicated to this area,

1116
01:27:30,230 --> 01:27:33,070
we're dedicated for the preservation of water and streets.

1117
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:38,070
We are willing to do a storm water hydrology study for 60 water and streets

1118
01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:41,630
showing that we can meet the flexibility of North Cross storm water standards.

1119
01:27:42,110 --> 01:27:44,250
We already have to do that. We do an LDP.

1120
01:27:44,250 --> 01:27:46,430
You know, we're willing to do that.

1121
01:27:46,630 --> 01:27:49,570
We're willing to show that we can make that one of the conditions.

1122
01:27:49,890 --> 01:27:54,910
We can meet all of the stormwater concerns there, but the bottom line is that the stormwater

1123
01:27:54,910 --> 01:27:58,770
runoff concerns have no business in an architectural review board hearing.

1124
01:27:59,290 --> 01:28:03,930
They have no business in any kind of determination, whether or not the room is consistent with

1125
01:28:03,930 --> 01:28:06,830
the architectural design of the nearby caret area.

1126
01:28:07,450 --> 01:28:11,910
So we would submit that you just look over our application again and just, you know,

1127
01:28:11,910 --> 01:28:15,950
Make sure that you look at it thoroughly and just understand that, you know,

1128
01:28:16,010 --> 01:28:20,890
engineering stormwater design standards are not focused, the ARB usually looks at.

1129
01:28:21,110 --> 01:28:23,710
They're not consistent with architectural design standards.

1130
01:28:24,450 --> 01:28:26,490
It's not within the ARB's power to do.

1131
01:28:26,750 --> 01:28:30,330
The code makes it very clear what the ARB has power to do and not do,

1132
01:28:30,430 --> 01:28:32,910
and they don't have engineering or any kind of power like that.

1133
01:28:33,390 --> 01:28:35,590
But Mr. Hamilton might have a few things to say as well.

1134
01:28:35,790 --> 01:28:36,530
He's going to come up here.

1135
01:28:36,530 --> 01:28:37,390
I

1136
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:48,060
was told that I would see persons sitting in rows talking about the storm water at all.

1137
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:54,500
When we brought up our building permit, we had to maintain or meet the standards that the city applied.

1138
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,360
That's not a problem. We're going to bring that.

1139
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,220
And I just decided to build a permit.

1140
01:29:00,700 --> 01:29:02,920
The PSU has been brought up about a shared property.

1141
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:06,200
I have a city for a shared driveway.

1142
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,440
And since they were going to work with me,

1143
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:15,360
That was part of the planning to avoid messing with returning home on Thursday.

1144
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:22,260
However, after meeting with the city, the city commissioner, the situation was pretty bad.

1145
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:24,660
There were a few other folks.

1146
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,580
If I'm talking to another city, it's going to have to remove the wall,

1147
01:29:28,940 --> 01:29:30,420
and throw them down when I have to.

1148
01:29:30,580 --> 01:29:34,220
No interest in disturbing any more than about 25 feet of it.

1149
01:29:34,420 --> 01:29:35,760
It's going to compromise it.

1150
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:41,640
Actually, we will make it a little bit stronger by plugging it into a foreign concrete that's not on the slide.

1151
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:44,260
It has nothing to do with this application.

1152
01:29:45,440 --> 01:29:46,040
Not one thing.

1153
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:54,300
Listening to some of the injections of the other applicant, you know, like Ian was saying,

1154
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:55,860
I did it over and over again.

1155
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:59,780
So call is an easy one of them.

1156
01:30:02,420 --> 01:30:07,540
Any standard of architecture is for context.

1157
01:30:09,860 --> 01:30:11,980
Architecture changes over time.

1158
01:30:12,980 --> 01:30:18,460
Again, there are 1960s things that's on that street that, you know,

1159
01:30:18,740 --> 01:30:21,820
based on what I've heard, nothing will ever be taken down.

1160
01:30:26,440 --> 01:30:30,960
So there are a lot of companies on that street,

1161
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:32,800
but only the standards that answer the question.

1162
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:36,660
However, when you build with custom homework,

1163
01:30:36,660 --> 01:30:42,540
If you get to select what you like and you get to an employer, it's your role that you like.

1164
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:48,400
When you're in a department, a house to look at, you've got to build your own house because you've got some design.

1165
01:30:49,740 --> 01:30:54,720
And if any of you were to come to me, I'd vibrate all of this way, not vibrate just like that.

1166
01:30:56,020 --> 01:30:57,360
Thanks, Dan. Appreciate that.

1167
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:07,480
All right, that ends the support portion of this rezoning.

1168
01:31:07,900 --> 01:31:11,800
So at this time, we're still open for public discussion.

1169
01:31:12,580 --> 01:31:14,860
We're giving a lot of time to the opposition.

1170
01:31:20,940 --> 01:31:23,300
And again, we have a lot of time to bring

1171
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:27,620
you around.

1172
01:31:27,940 --> 01:31:29,460
Our 61 North Park is free.

1173
01:31:31,020 --> 01:31:32,500
A lot of things over here.

1174
01:31:34,660 --> 01:31:40,020
The big picture is the whole development that, like I said earlier, is there a way to pull

1175
01:31:40,020 --> 01:31:41,280
up the process

1176
01:31:53,790 --> 01:31:56,430
-facing pressure part that

1177
01:31:58,480 --> 01:31:59,360
was shut down?

1178
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:06,980
So what this degree to with them was to do a shared driveway on these back two lines.

1179
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:11,740
And so the one that's highlighted right there is the one that's in question.

1180
01:32:13,480 --> 01:32:16,860
And every time I talked to Stan, he said,

1181
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:18,400
I don't want to take down the wall.

1182
01:32:18,900 --> 01:32:20,920
I don't want to take down the trees on the wall.

1183
01:32:21,140 --> 01:32:22,620
I don't want to touch the wall.

1184
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:24,860
Any part of the wall is very capable.

1185
01:32:25,020 --> 01:32:29,580
Every time I talked to Stan, he said he was going to do a shared driveway

1186
01:32:29,580 --> 01:32:32,040
so that he could not touch the wall.

1187
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:38,080
And this application for this ARB application just got approved

1188
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:39,740
a shared driveway, and that's why we're here.

1189
01:32:40,380 --> 01:32:42,000
That's why I cemented the appeal.

1190
01:32:43,850 --> 01:32:48,470
And now I'm stuck in the middle of the city planner.

1191
01:32:48,590 --> 01:32:52,570
The city planner dropped the ball and didn't have this rightful.

1192
01:32:52,710 --> 01:32:53,490
But it was an agreement.

1193
01:32:53,790 --> 01:32:54,990
It was an agreement with the city.

1194
01:32:55,150 --> 01:32:56,070
It was an agreement with the stand.

1195
01:32:57,090 --> 01:32:59,310
And I've had a great relationship with the stand.

1196
01:32:59,450 --> 01:33:00,830
I don't want to be here in the middle.

1197
01:33:01,750 --> 01:33:04,090
But, Stan, you're going against your word.

1198
01:33:04,310 --> 01:33:06,150
Every time I talk to you, sure.

1199
01:33:06,530 --> 01:33:09,410
Every time you talk to me, he said he was not interested at all.

1200
01:33:09,410 --> 01:33:13,270
And now he's saying, this is a tree,

1201
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:23,020
the canopy is stretched on that side because that's where

1202
01:33:23,020 --> 01:33:29,620
you can keep all the trees out. So, I don't know if I address this harvest in any of the trees.

1203
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:36,080
The big picture is that the trees need to stay. The wall needs to stay.

1204
01:33:43,580 --> 01:33:44,820
If your chance at the

1205
01:33:44,820 --> 01:33:50,260
city, at the city castle, to uphold what should have been, right, what should have been

1206
01:33:50,260 --> 01:33:51,060
in particular, whoever

1207
01:34:07,540 --> 01:34:17,300
is this year is in support of this in 97 minutes, and what Mrs. Power had to say earlier, she'll reiterate with some of her points.

1208
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:29,320
One thing I'll say now that this is pulled out is the impervious surface of the driveway, the U-shaped driveway is not in a whole,

1209
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:35,880
it's impervious to your

1210
01:34:49,480 --> 01:34:49,880
time.

1211
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:50,500
I'm

1212
01:35:00,290 --> 01:35:01,030
going to show them to you.

1213
01:35:03,710 --> 01:35:06,430
Hey there, my name is Shannon Anton.

1214
01:35:06,670 --> 01:35:12,190
I live at 89 North Barton, which is diagonally across from this lot.

1215
01:35:13,550 --> 01:35:19,010
And basically, I kind of bring things, considering the water situation

1216
01:35:19,670 --> 01:35:24,330
and the change in this driveway and the habit, regardless of which lot

1217
01:35:24,330 --> 01:35:26,390
you're cutting the retaining wall on.

1218
01:35:26,390 --> 01:35:32,570
If I have looked out my window with heavy rains and you're watching gallons and gallons,

1219
01:35:32,850 --> 01:35:37,890
like, it's crazy how much is coming down where the retaining wall at times doesn't even seem

1220
01:35:37,890 --> 01:35:45,230
like it's quite enough, filling in there and cutting 20 feet off of it uphill isn't going

1221
01:35:45,230 --> 01:35:49,290
to make any difference on where, on how much water is, you know, it's still, it's still

1222
01:35:49,290 --> 01:35:50,330
a ton of water coming down.

1223
01:35:52,030 --> 01:35:55,490
What's the change in this year's driveway, and what, I agree with Brady on that.

1224
01:35:56,130 --> 01:36:01,910
In addition, removing that is another, if you remove part of it, it's that exchange as well,

1225
01:36:02,310 --> 01:36:04,870
to what we like to call the story of North Cross.

1226
01:36:05,530 --> 01:36:11,690
And that, including what I've heard about the side of the home, not being in line with the story of North Cross.

1227
01:36:12,070 --> 01:36:17,030
I just think there seems like maybe some break from all of this in a big picture way,

1228
01:36:17,030 --> 01:36:21,290
regardless of this being only an appeal for ARV, et cetera.

1229
01:36:21,670 --> 01:36:25,670
But I just have completely in agreement with Brynsox.

1230
01:36:36,550 --> 01:36:39,150
This sounds, like I said, all right,

1231
01:36:39,230 --> 01:36:40,790
because I think it was already going to be with Asian

1232
01:36:40,790 --> 01:36:42,470
or French Brynsox, none of which

1233
01:36:42,470 --> 01:36:44,490
is compatible with any other distorts

1234
01:36:44,490 --> 01:36:47,650
found out in the neighborhood or in the area.

1235
01:36:48,150 --> 01:36:49,570
And I want to say, in history,

1236
01:36:49,850 --> 01:36:52,090
you should be the president, architectural president,

1237
01:36:52,330 --> 01:36:54,510
in the middle class of the district, not builders.

1238
01:36:54,510 --> 01:36:59,770
The date of approval, mentioned in the feedery, once again we've talked about the utility,

1239
01:37:00,210 --> 01:37:08,210
also the architecture review board approved a driveway in this, that restricts, how do

1240
01:37:08,210 --> 01:37:12,470
I say this very quickly, the rest of the share of driveway that would accommodate future

1241
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:18,250
construction in the area, use of the existing retaining wall around our home, will eventually

1242
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:19,550
be compromised.

1243
01:37:21,010 --> 01:37:25,830
As far as these entities are approved with the condition of a shared drive one day,

1244
01:37:26,110 --> 01:37:27,810
we probably wouldn't even be here right now.

1245
01:37:31,030 --> 01:37:31,570
Anyone else?

1246
01:37:43,070 --> 01:37:50,050
I did this in a CD3 from 174 Park Park, and I spoke at the policy session a few weeks ago

1247
01:37:50,050 --> 01:37:53,070
and I attended one of our two Majority Council this morning.

1248
01:37:55,270 --> 01:38:03,260
I am in support of this appeal because of the issues of the water runoff.

1249
01:38:04,300 --> 01:38:14,380
And I appreciate the response I got from Councilman Myers, who, I think, had a very

1250
01:38:14,380 --> 01:38:18,100
intense thought. It's a hard to make a decision if you don't have the data.

1251
01:38:19,620 --> 01:38:26,560
And, you know, so, when you work in a body of metal, you work to save your,

1252
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:35,830
Once you pull the plug, you can't, you know, look in nature.

1253
01:38:37,130 --> 01:38:37,470
It's bad.

1254
01:38:39,810 --> 01:38:47,550
I think there's no information so that we don't have, you know, a disaster on our hands.

1255
01:38:47,810 --> 01:38:48,110
Yeah, yeah.

1256
01:38:49,190 --> 01:38:51,110
So I'm in support of this appeal.

1257
01:38:51,930 --> 01:38:52,870
I hope you support it.

1258
01:38:53,350 --> 01:38:53,810
Thank you.

1259
01:38:54,150 --> 01:38:54,730
Thank you.

1260
01:38:54,730 --> 01:38:56,470
We don't know if it's

1261
01:39:07,610 --> 01:39:17,170
part of the pre-bords or the city around you, but that's all we have to do with these issues.

1262
01:39:17,830 --> 01:39:19,370
We're not planning

1263
01:39:22,340 --> 01:39:28,780
2045, we're going to roll on the state policies since the board developed

1264
01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:31,700
them.

1265
01:39:31,700 --> 01:39:32,000
and

1266
01:39:36,610 --> 01:39:38,910
embarking on this, you know,

1267
01:39:39,630 --> 01:39:42,250
reach this old forest soil,

1268
01:39:42,610 --> 01:39:47,490
and the edges of the forest

1269
01:39:47,490 --> 01:39:49,110
will agree that the rain

1270
01:39:49,110 --> 01:39:51,270
probably aren't appropriate

1271
01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:52,070
to

1272
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:54,600
neighborhoods.

1273
01:39:55,480 --> 01:39:57,060
Neighborhood trees have been removed,

1274
01:39:57,400 --> 01:40:01,540
but the intact soils

1275
01:40:01,540 --> 01:40:02,480
around the edge

1276
01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:04,980
are inserved

1277
01:40:04,980 --> 01:40:05,600
in

1278
01:40:14,110 --> 01:40:16,930
30 or 40 years to provide shade

1279
01:40:16,930 --> 01:40:17,890
on the forest.

1280
01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:54,610
We will open

1281
01:40:56,820 --> 01:41:03,060
the pool for Allison's comments or questions, emotions this time.

1282
01:41:07,590 --> 01:41:08,130
No questions.

1283
01:41:08,710 --> 01:41:09,770
That was what we came up with.

1284
01:41:11,090 --> 01:41:20,980
So by receiving our charge here, we are supposed to act as though we were ARB and everything

1285
01:41:20,980 --> 01:41:22,140
was starting to crash.

1286
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:33,640
But they've had some comments on here that are pursuing architectural issues that I don't

1287
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:35,700
qualify to what they say, yeah, you don't have to.

1288
01:41:37,150 --> 01:41:41,240
But leaving it just to architectural discussion,

1289
01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:50,160
I might make one point that City Manager mentioned

1290
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:56,620
to be earlier today that a house that's 5,000 square feet is by coordinates required to

1291
01:41:56,620 --> 01:42:11,680
have a full engineering study on what to do with stormwater and in order to make the property

1292
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:17,600
the same or less the impact on the neighboring sites.

1293
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:19,100
That's part of our code already.

1294
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:28,200
It exists in the code already, and that was part of the condition that the applicant representative was addressing there.

1295
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:34,860
That standard applies whenever there is a subdivision that's created that deserves more than 5,000 square feet,

1296
01:42:35,220 --> 01:42:40,440
which is when you combine the four virtuals that were subdivided.

1297
01:42:40,620 --> 01:42:47,580
The total is 5,000 square feet.

1298
01:42:47,580 --> 01:42:51,140
That's correct, but we aggregate that in this context.

1299
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:58,740
So as we've gone through it right now, we've got one-third of the site already developed.

1300
01:42:59,880 --> 01:43:03,200
There was no discussion of stormwater.

1301
01:43:04,300 --> 01:43:06,340
There's no discussion at that time.

1302
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:14,260
As far as I know, the house up there in Buchanan didn't provide a stormwater plan.

1303
01:43:14,260 --> 01:43:18,020
I believe that that was already provided on the organic if

1304
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:25,040
there was there would be a whole entire property

1305
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:31,880
Just from one house site. There is for each individual plot. So each individual plot has to provide a hydrology study

1306
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:34,660
if the entire property is

1307
01:43:34,660 --> 01:43:38,280
Pretty have individual

1308
01:43:40,100 --> 01:43:41,640
I'm understanding your

1309
01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:56,260
to the city's standard, in case of a certified engineering

1310
01:43:56,260 --> 01:44:00,940
study, it will address issues like whether or not

1311
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:05,380
the purpose papers are suitable in that location.

1312
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:12,200
They may well require some sort of stormwater retention

1313
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:17,560
or detention in order to make the property sort of

1314
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:20,080
That's right, because it would be up to an engineer.

1315
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:26,740
That's right, but our staff would review and also that they would have a professional engineer.

1316
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:34,240
So it was not on our agenda to discuss that particular thing, because it's already in the ordinance.

1317
01:44:34,480 --> 01:44:35,680
They already have to do it,

1318
01:44:37,820 --> 01:44:42,000
and so whether or not we can concur with the ARB or not,

1319
01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:44,500
it's already effected.

1320
01:44:44,500 --> 01:44:45,600
It's already effected.

1321
01:44:48,300 --> 01:44:54,640
I want to say one thing that I think is a good instance, but we're going to take a

1322
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:59,760
short review or something, and then again, it's a retaining law that runs along from

1323
01:44:59,760 --> 01:44:59,980
the side.

1324
01:45:00,530 --> 01:45:20,610
There are two laws on this property, which is guardianships, and it's made of rodent, and I'm not, I haven't been behind it, but I know it happens when you have rodent contact in soil for 20 or 30 meters, it's not a very good change.

1325
01:45:20,610 --> 01:45:25,950
I think that going along needs to be a conditioned calm on this,

1326
01:45:26,110 --> 01:45:27,510
that he gets rebuilt every day.

1327
01:45:27,870 --> 01:45:30,330
He wants the entire length of bar and string,

1328
01:45:30,910 --> 01:45:33,590
whether or not he punishes through it at any particular point,

1329
01:45:34,090 --> 01:45:35,790
isn't actually in front of us right now,

1330
01:45:36,350 --> 01:45:41,590
but it needs to be part of the overall construction.

1331
01:45:42,370 --> 01:45:43,710
Is that beginning along these three rebuilds?

1332
01:45:43,710 --> 01:45:53,870
So one of the communities that were lost, in other words, stone material or stone-yation

1333
01:45:53,870 --> 01:46:00,550
material, something that's not going to degrade in 20 years, I think that's in the purview

1334
01:46:00,550 --> 01:46:08,550
of architecture because it's what it looks like, right, and so, well, it is what it looks

1335
01:46:08,550 --> 01:46:11,730
It's like from the side of the, from the country.

1336
01:46:12,730 --> 01:46:15,130
So that seems like that should be a condition.

1337
01:46:15,470 --> 01:46:17,030
This is not the cultural condition.

1338
01:46:17,770 --> 01:46:18,890
So this is my opinion.

1339
01:46:20,510 --> 01:46:21,630
And what are my two points?

1340
01:46:22,450 --> 01:46:22,830
Point three.

1341
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:31,580
I have no idea what you're saying,

1342
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:34,600
that the return to the wall is following by the city.

1343
01:46:35,500 --> 01:46:36,700
Is it going out of that actor?

1344
01:46:37,140 --> 01:46:38,320
It's on the city, rather, Lloyd.

1345
01:46:39,220 --> 01:46:40,260
On the city?

1346
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:41,940
Yes, I know.

1347
01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:43,480
I just don't know how to get into it,

1348
01:46:43,580 --> 01:46:44,800
but it's on our property,

1349
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:46,960
And I think we've got a transition,

1350
01:46:50,830 --> 01:46:51,210
I would say,

1351
01:46:51,330 --> 01:46:54,850
I would say, out of the community and the whole thing to do,

1352
01:46:55,650 --> 01:46:56,990
so we know this need to go forward.

1353
01:46:57,130 --> 01:47:00,290
I think what I'm trying to do is, in terms of

1354
01:47:00,290 --> 01:47:01,750
how the decision to make is a decision

1355
01:47:01,750 --> 01:47:04,450
and some kind of application or the ability

1356
01:47:04,450 --> 01:47:08,710
for the developer to do, in terms of setting this free,

1357
01:47:09,570 --> 01:47:12,210
in terms of the decision, what I think we're going to say

1358
01:47:13,050 --> 01:47:15,310
is what we're going to do is we're going to help the company.

1359
01:47:15,870 --> 01:47:18,470
We owe, we owe property to

1360
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:21,960
the damsel for rescuing,

1361
01:47:24,270 --> 01:47:25,390
for an offer,

1362
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:28,660
100% the city.

1363
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:36,640
I think Councilman Gettner was speaking to what replace is it and I, I, I'm not saying

1364
01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:40,140
we don't have a plan, I'm not saying what would replace it or in what order that would land.

1365
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:42,960
I think that, I think that's what I'm saying.

1366
01:47:43,660 --> 01:47:47,140
For a representative, one representative of Africa mentioned, don't just eat,

1367
01:47:47,660 --> 01:47:49,980
usually eat from the global level of the rest of the world.

1368
01:47:49,980 --> 01:47:53,100
Make sure you don't eat for the next dollar or something like that.

1369
01:47:53,220 --> 01:47:53,840
If you want to buy us,

1370
01:47:59,940 --> 01:48:01,440
or even search out wall and

1371
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:04,340
visit,

1372
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:05,720
then that's also just free rights.

1373
01:48:06,540 --> 01:48:09,860
So I think you're just clear that this is not worth the decision.

1374
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:12,980
It's not. The rest of this decision is a population owner's decision.

1375
01:48:13,900 --> 01:48:16,500
You can't do this decision to protect the city out of your place.

1376
01:48:16,700 --> 01:48:17,320
That's a big option.

1377
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:18,260
It's an out of your way.

1378
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:19,300
You can't solve it.

1379
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:21,940
Well, I'm sure you can take it as well,

1380
01:48:22,020 --> 01:48:23,060
so I think you're going to replace it.

1381
01:48:24,020 --> 01:48:26,180
And you should be able to continue without a small amount of it.

1382
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:27,120
That people will be insiders.

1383
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:27,920
but

1384
01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:39,660
I have to take it just like I'm thinking,

1385
01:48:40,060 --> 01:48:41,100
but to me, too, why is

1386
01:48:43,180 --> 01:48:43,960
there any reason

1387
01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:46,480
that we're going to be sanders after

1388
01:48:49,770 --> 01:48:50,030
this?

1389
01:48:50,310 --> 01:48:52,210
Is this, I don't

1390
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:54,760
know what to say,

1391
01:48:54,900 --> 01:48:56,340
because I don't know what's

1392
01:48:58,740 --> 01:48:59,820
happening right there.

1393
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:02,220
It's important to me that it wasn't

1394
01:49:02,220 --> 01:49:03,840
a strategic opportunity

1395
01:49:06,500 --> 01:49:07,660
for us to do

1396
01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:10,760
a lot of what we've done,

1397
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:12,400
just to see what we can do to fix that.

1398
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:13,340
That's a success.

1399
01:49:17,480 --> 01:49:18,400
Between different societies,

1400
01:49:18,920 --> 01:49:19,940
there's only one property.

1401
01:49:20,420 --> 01:49:22,020
It's the process of underlying security

1402
01:49:22,020 --> 01:49:23,480
There were people who didn't have social security

1403
01:49:23,480 --> 01:49:24,160
or people who were being born.

1404
01:49:24,820 --> 01:49:26,580
And so they would have the opportunity

1405
01:49:26,580 --> 01:49:27,680
to interact with other people in England.

1406
01:49:28,060 --> 01:49:29,480
This would probably be part of how

1407
01:49:29,480 --> 01:49:32,640
you have to listen to the system installed.

1408
01:49:33,100 --> 01:49:34,040
But that's just one of the things

1409
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:35,560
that the large-year society can do.

1410
01:49:35,780 --> 01:49:36,940
And that's why we're doing all of them.

1411
01:49:37,500 --> 01:49:39,100
And so it means you need to have an application

1412
01:49:40,440 --> 01:49:42,040
or possibly an application that

1413
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:44,040
says, as well, we'll get to that one later

1414
01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:45,600
in this next one.

1415
01:49:50,030 --> 01:49:51,550
So you just have to have some ability to listen.

1416
01:49:52,150 --> 01:49:54,010
And as I have a team that I'm going to work on,

1417
01:49:54,010 --> 01:49:55,870
We're going to put on some sort of trust in all of them.

1418
01:49:55,950 --> 01:49:56,990
Take care of it until you come.

1419
01:49:57,110 --> 01:49:58,390
We'll get you another out in our neighborhood.

1420
01:49:58,810 --> 01:49:59,770
That's the other side of the neighborhood.

1421
01:49:59,990 --> 01:50:01,350
We're going to do a little more of this at a time.

1422
01:50:01,790 --> 01:50:02,350
We're going to do that.

1423
01:50:02,450 --> 01:50:04,510
We'll be able to sort of figure that out.

1424
01:50:04,510 --> 01:50:05,990
So that's a lot of stuff that's in here.

1425
01:50:06,090 --> 01:50:07,250
And that's going to be a lot of work.

1426
01:50:07,250 --> 01:50:09,050
We are, of course, gracious authorities.

1427
01:50:09,750 --> 01:50:10,810
We're going to do that as well.

1428
01:50:10,990 --> 01:50:14,590
I think obviously we've addressed that when we amended

1429
01:50:14,590 --> 01:50:18,310
the subdivision ordinance, because now that subdivision

1430
01:50:18,310 --> 01:50:19,750
is going to come back in front of you.

1431
01:50:19,950 --> 01:50:22,570
And so if there are conditions that we want to address

1432
01:50:23,170 --> 01:50:26,490
kind of site layout, we can do that at that point.

1433
01:50:26,810 --> 01:50:29,490
So I think that's something that in the future would not

1434
01:50:30,270 --> 01:50:33,150
be an issue, but as you mentioned, it's an issue here.

1435
01:50:33,490 --> 01:50:34,610
Yeah, I think it's a good question.

1436
01:50:34,730 --> 01:50:35,590
I think it's a good question.

1437
01:50:35,750 --> 01:50:37,910
So I think it might be better than when this was totally

1438
01:50:37,910 --> 01:50:39,110
a part of a definitely good point.

1439
01:50:39,290 --> 01:50:41,150
So I think we're going to go like that.

1440
01:50:41,470 --> 01:50:42,710
So I think we're going to go like that.

1441
01:50:43,430 --> 01:50:43,730
I'm sorry.

1442
01:50:45,290 --> 01:50:47,150
So we're not going to take it back to the same point.

1443
01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:48,470
We're going to take it back to the same point.

1444
01:50:48,470 --> 01:50:49,690
I think we're going to take it back to the same point.

1445
01:50:49,690 --> 01:50:51,150
I don't care about the government being on our board.

1446
01:50:52,110 --> 01:50:53,670
The whole story was almost mentioned,

1447
01:50:54,150 --> 01:50:55,390
I've had this issue a couple times.

1448
01:50:56,690 --> 01:51:00,310
We were, we were few years old,

1449
01:51:00,490 --> 01:51:01,690
I was born and raised here in Hollywood

1450
01:51:03,740 --> 01:51:05,600
and there's this activity that's in the kitchen

1451
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:08,120
that I have at the same point.

1452
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:09,680
I mean, that's really the whole kind of

1453
01:51:09,680 --> 01:51:11,500
kind of make that decision when you're here at the hotel.

1454
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:13,400
And so I'm, I'm a little bit,

1455
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:17,220
I'm scared to make a decision on the sale of the hotel

1456
01:51:18,480 --> 01:51:19,800
that went before the architecture

1457
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:22,420
before previously, but now it's upon us,

1458
01:51:22,420 --> 01:51:23,460
as a part of that application.

1459
01:51:24,540 --> 01:51:26,640
So that's another important thing to mention.

1460
01:51:29,540 --> 01:51:34,300
To see the quality through LDP, individual LDP,

1461
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:36,160
and it looks like it's going to be more mitigation.

1462
01:51:36,860 --> 01:51:38,540
The city owns that's going to be more mitigation.

1463
01:51:39,500 --> 01:51:42,340
Also, at least my last comment will be a movement

1464
01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:46,780
that will let us live here in our future,

1465
01:51:47,340 --> 01:51:51,040
in our community, but also the release of the property

1466
01:51:51,620 --> 01:51:53,640
owners who already live in our community

1467
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:55,860
are not impacted, and it sounds to me

1468
01:51:56,500 --> 01:51:59,840
that there is a disability that could potentially do some

1469
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:02,140
approval of this application.

1470
01:52:03,820 --> 01:52:07,100
I'm not certain, and so I just want to turn off the answer

1471
01:52:07,100 --> 01:52:09,260
just to make a concrete decision on that.

1472
01:52:09,820 --> 01:52:12,860
And we're not in a position where we would be willing to make

1473
01:52:12,860 --> 01:52:16,480
such commerce that the conclusion that there is no

1474
01:52:17,900 --> 01:52:21,320
high-level IDD or engineering required before the

1475
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:22,180
government is signed.

1476
01:52:22,180 --> 01:52:26,180
because then we're contributing to the society and it's not feasible, but this is the

1477
01:52:26,180 --> 01:52:29,940
set of the type of engineering that we're trying to approach, right?

1478
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:34,180
This is the type of research that we're looking for, engineering, engineering

1479
01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:38,660
standards, to set that as much as being an engineer.

1480
01:52:38,860 --> 01:52:42,320
So there are a lot of different types of sciences that we're trying to lay it on

1481
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:45,920
for a particular, so it's a multiple model.

1482
01:52:46,820 --> 01:52:48,880
You know, I think we spoke less about all communities.

1483
01:52:49,400 --> 01:52:54,000
this bill than this particular juncture, but they should open questions in terms of

1484
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:57,180
staff, she should talk about what they want to look at, and then really I want to

1485
01:52:57,180 --> 01:53:00,160
refer to the, in other words, to the whole community, so we'll have this one more

1486
01:53:00,160 --> 01:53:04,780
of conversations or concerns, really, then in the preview of this piece of our

1487
01:53:04,780 --> 01:53:08,820
application, which concerns me that we're just even, that's a huge question of this

1488
01:53:08,820 --> 01:53:12,380
conversation, and this makes me want to say this one more time, but I'd like to be honest

1489
01:53:12,380 --> 01:53:16,200
with you, our conversation has to come back for another opportunity for us,

1490
01:53:16,200 --> 01:53:19,700
because we have to review their ALL to meet our status of council.

1491
01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:24,540
So if you wouldn't want to review the hydrology component of that,

1492
01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:28,260
that's just going to come back to the city engineer

1493
01:53:28,260 --> 01:53:31,820
and the city engineer is going to review it to ensure it meets the stormwater standards.

1494
01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:34,380
And those stormwater standards, we have the state standards.

1495
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:37,420
He'd be looking into that.

1496
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:43,300
We have the architectural review guidelines obviously.

1497
01:53:43,300 --> 01:53:47,000
So we purposefully select the board and I think bylaws

1498
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:51,260
even require us to select in order to have experience

1499
01:53:51,980 --> 01:53:56,640
in the industry and also know what it's like,

1500
01:53:56,740 --> 01:53:58,540
but it's not necessarily an architect, right?

1501
01:53:59,780 --> 01:54:02,460
And it is the way the ordinance puts that in front of us.

1502
01:54:03,140 --> 01:54:06,640
So, and then I guess maybe don't point out

1503
01:54:07,420 --> 01:54:09,160
what a priority on the process.

1504
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:11,880
You know, we said we were proud of tonight

1505
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:17,820
And this is just all you need to know is that the return of that house and where it's

1506
01:54:17,820 --> 01:54:22,060
only there may not be just the design, the definition, and architectural.

1507
01:54:22,700 --> 01:54:26,240
And if we can, you know, be consistent with the actual rules tonight, it would

1508
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:28,880
be important that you stay here, be here, get re-submitted.

1509
01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:34,380
The applicant could re-submit it in this context because they're going for a

1510
01:54:34,380 --> 01:54:36,760
particular appropriateness and not a re-zoning.

1511
01:54:36,940 --> 01:54:40,620
So there's not that six months as well as months are.

1512
01:54:40,620 --> 01:54:41,480
Okay.

1513
01:54:44,120 --> 01:54:44,920
Any other questions?

1514
01:54:45,560 --> 01:54:49,880
I'll go right into the map and Bruce did a great job of asking my questions.

1515
01:54:50,380 --> 01:54:51,960
First of all, eloquently as usual.

1516
01:54:53,780 --> 01:54:58,920
So I actually have a question built up about our role in this particular situation, where

1517
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:02,180
I think this is a day-no-lap application.

1518
01:55:02,940 --> 01:55:07,900
However, we've all mentioned we're not architects and we don't have a lot of history

1519
01:55:07,900 --> 01:55:10,900
and I can tell you there have been houses that have been built that I thought were

1520
01:55:10,900 --> 01:55:12,180
to work houses in the world.

1521
01:55:12,540 --> 01:55:14,580
And then they get some land state they're rallying in.

1522
01:55:15,460 --> 01:55:19,620
And then sometimes, at times, they don't change the way.

1523
01:55:21,420 --> 01:55:22,900
And most importantly, go out.

1524
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:25,720
Because this is rascally on the map where they are.

1525
01:55:25,880 --> 01:55:27,940
But the first time I did this, it was always

1526
01:55:27,940 --> 01:55:29,640
supposed to allow the architectural standards.

1527
01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:33,720
Or in this case, because it's a different application.

1528
01:55:34,040 --> 01:55:36,340
And I'm a policymaker.

1529
01:55:36,740 --> 01:55:38,600
Am I allowed to talk about it?

1530
01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:40,760
So am I allowed to wait in the storm water

1531
01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:42,640
for the retention problem on that?

1532
01:55:42,820 --> 01:55:43,320
It's a great job.

1533
01:55:43,600 --> 01:55:46,180
No, but we are looking at the architectural review standards.

1534
01:55:46,460 --> 01:55:49,120
And then the ordinance also allows

1535
01:55:49,120 --> 01:55:52,200
the decision-making party to look at the conference.

1536
01:55:52,940 --> 01:55:55,120
So who is interested to be part of the plan?

1537
01:55:55,200 --> 01:55:57,120
The plan affords me to kind of the character

1538
01:55:57,120 --> 01:55:57,620
of the neighborhood.

1539
01:55:57,820 --> 01:56:00,480
Now, we don't have to let that forever exist going to.

1540
01:56:01,040 --> 01:56:02,960
So yeah, the policymaking, we

1541
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:05,060
are outside of the legislative assumption

1542
01:56:05,060 --> 01:56:08,020
And you'll decide what we call, what I do, initial ligates.

1543
01:56:08,500 --> 01:56:10,080
You guys are keeping facts, and we are

1544
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:12,480
applying those facts to the standards that we have.

1545
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:16,300
And those standards are a big set of architectural reviews.

1546
01:56:16,780 --> 01:56:17,260
And that's all.

1547
01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:19,460
We're spending a lot of time outside of legislative.

1548
01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:21,640
We just passed the night, aren't we?

1549
01:56:22,860 --> 01:56:25,460
All our members, I think it was a former member of Bruce

1550
01:56:25,460 --> 01:56:25,960
that reviewed.

1551
01:56:26,440 --> 01:56:26,740
The

1552
01:56:28,850 --> 01:56:29,430
former is reviewed.

1553
01:56:30,330 --> 01:56:32,190
The other member of Bruce is a Bruce.

1554
01:56:33,070 --> 01:56:33,710
Hey, right here.

1555
01:56:34,470 --> 01:56:35,110
Or was it Gary?

1556
01:56:35,110 --> 01:56:39,470
This carries to us on the backup versus our arborists.

1557
01:56:40,210 --> 01:56:42,250
That's correct for the producer of what I'm saying.

1558
01:56:43,530 --> 01:56:44,490
Don't believe the others.

1559
01:56:45,010 --> 01:56:45,550
We've got the

1560
01:56:48,530 --> 01:56:49,270
LDP stage.

1561
01:56:56,400 --> 01:57:00,700
That's when LDP or BR building residential permits requested

1562
01:57:00,700 --> 01:57:03,540
the arborists and the rest of the staff would review.

1563
01:57:03,700 --> 01:57:05,420
And that's the point where the arborists will play.

1564
01:57:09,090 --> 01:57:11,050
One last, I apologize for the portion.

1565
01:57:11,470 --> 01:57:12,770
Right at the end of this.

1566
01:57:15,430 --> 01:57:19,650
In the image process, we're talking a lot about the retaining wall and how the retaining wall will be handled,

1567
01:57:19,890 --> 01:57:27,130
and it's our retaining wall, and it's ultimately our responsibility, although we can get into this process about maybe how it's handled.

1568
01:57:28,650 --> 01:57:34,890
And we'd be responsible so that, in this process, to say that our retaining wall is the image we are,

1569
01:57:35,370 --> 01:57:43,930
is still on job for better while it was damaged, not by our chiefs, but similarly, the street,

1570
01:57:44,070 --> 01:57:49,410
the candidate is still torn up from the heavy damage caused by the heavy equipment.

1571
01:57:50,670 --> 01:57:55,850
At what point is the city responsible, or if they have to get responsible for fixing some

1572
01:57:55,850 --> 01:57:57,330
of the public issues that they've created?

1573
01:57:57,330 --> 01:58:09,130
I think it's probably just sourcing where the damage occurred, and when it occurred, as to, you know, if it was when someone was doing work, and I don't see it.

1574
01:58:09,290 --> 01:58:23,310
It might be something wrong to do here, but if it's long-term weather damage, it would be probably hard to determine without a third party looking at it.

1575
01:58:23,310 --> 01:58:26,320
Are you ready?

1576
01:58:27,560 --> 01:58:29,140
That's the way we're doing it, go ahead.

1577
01:58:29,800 --> 01:58:30,440
You know what?

1578
01:58:30,600 --> 01:58:34,320
All of this is self-explanatory.

1579
01:58:35,320 --> 01:58:36,040
It's not wrong.

1580
01:58:37,260 --> 01:58:41,020
It's 8-2-5-0-1.

1581
01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:42,740
And it's...

1582
01:58:44,060 --> 01:58:44,660
It's...

1583
01:58:44,660 --> 01:58:45,420
It's...

1584
01:58:45,420 --> 01:58:49,020
It's a little bit...

1585
01:58:49,020 --> 01:58:50,260
And that's all we're doing.

1586
01:58:50,840 --> 01:58:51,480
It's the RV.

1587
01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:55,120
There's no loud talking about it.

1588
01:58:55,120 --> 01:59:01,640
in this free game, in this, you know, stuff stuff.

1589
01:59:04,600 --> 01:59:08,640
My question was, my very first question was in sharing what you said.

1590
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:10,940
I don't think it's appropriate for me to ask any questions.

1591
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:12,100
No, it's not.

1592
01:59:12,580 --> 01:59:13,660
Not in your book.

1593
01:59:14,040 --> 01:59:14,700
Oh, that's fine.

1594
01:59:16,020 --> 01:59:17,080
That's where we're at.

1595
01:59:17,460 --> 01:59:18,080
That's the question.

1596
01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:25,420
What's the ARV, how do you, to require a shared driveway as part of the plan

1597
01:59:25,420 --> 01:59:26,160
the

1598
01:59:29,080 --> 01:59:33,180
context in which that comes up, but it takes the ARB

1599
01:59:33,180 --> 01:59:35,240
as reviewing on a parcel-to-a-parcel basis.

1600
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:39,240
And so it's opposed to a significant one parcel

1601
01:59:39,240 --> 01:59:42,000
to a shared driveway when the other parcel isn't

1602
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:42,940
in front of the ARB.

1603
01:59:43,460 --> 01:59:46,540
And the last thing when this comes up through a pod

1604
01:59:46,540 --> 01:59:53,140
amendment, at that point, the ARB could certainly

1605
01:59:53,140 --> 01:59:54,000
look at that.

1606
01:59:54,460 --> 01:59:57,220
They have some 40 over site layout,

1607
01:59:57,220 --> 01:59:59,980
Uh, and some landscape authorities are thinking...

1608
02:00:01,200 --> 02:00:04,600
We'll say, just from my experience, that's not typically what they're looking at. They're looking at

1609
02:00:04,600 --> 02:00:07,780
the architecture, um, property that deed was in their curfew.

1610
02:00:09,900 --> 02:00:11,280
That's a question, um,

1611
02:00:15,520 --> 02:00:19,020
certainly about this, but I'll give you a clue. If there was any law in the

1612
02:00:19,020 --> 02:00:19,360
cities,

1613
02:00:22,510 --> 02:00:26,670
you had a law firm, a property owner, from being able to access their property with a driveway

1614
02:00:26,670 --> 02:00:30,630
because we have a law there, right? Or can we?

1615
02:00:31,350 --> 02:00:37,490
We can't block them, but we can impose conditions that ensure that, uh, that the public infrastructure

1616
02:00:37,490 --> 02:00:45,110
is preserved into essentially each waterfall is entitled to the access that it has available

1617
02:00:45,110 --> 02:00:50,350
to public streets. We have to give them that access, but we can say, in order to get that

1618
02:00:50,350 --> 02:00:56,790
access, we need to be sure that what you are doing isn't impacting first and foremost.

1619
02:00:57,310 --> 02:00:58,530
Does that answer your question?

1620
02:00:58,850 --> 02:00:58,910
No.

1621
02:00:58,910 --> 02:00:59,890
I

1622
02:01:09,680 --> 02:01:13,360
may not be globalized by the city, but it's run a little bit like that.

1623
02:01:14,080 --> 02:01:20,640
Just to make sure that we require the developer type of leadership to replace the retaining wall

1624
02:01:20,640 --> 02:01:21,780
with a more permanent structure.

1625
02:01:25,080 --> 02:01:30,920
It's not a matter of whether or not it's a legal question, but we've got the definition of development.

1626
02:01:31,120 --> 02:01:38,800
I think we put in conditions like sidewalks on the time that require radical improvement.

1627
02:01:39,460 --> 02:01:41,260
that's not necessarily a property owner.

1628
02:01:42,540 --> 02:01:44,680
I do think it matters with the retaining wall

1629
02:01:45,220 --> 02:01:47,100
where this is going to land,

1630
02:01:47,220 --> 02:01:48,780
and that's why I was saying I haven't seen a plan,

1631
02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:51,560
because I can't imagine there's not enough right-of-way

1632
02:01:51,560 --> 02:01:55,520
that actually built in the type of structured retaining wall

1633
02:01:55,520 --> 02:01:56,520
that would be appropriate.

1634
02:01:56,840 --> 02:01:58,280
There was even, you know,

1635
02:01:58,340 --> 02:01:59,860
the need for the deers and the deers,

1636
02:01:59,860 --> 02:02:01,960
and the deers had to be there.

1637
02:02:02,380 --> 02:02:03,740
It's not as much large.

1638
02:02:05,100 --> 02:02:07,080
So it's going to have to be replaced.

1639
02:02:07,080 --> 02:02:12,120
Now, you can't replace it directly where it is, legally.

1640
02:02:12,780 --> 02:02:13,700
I mean, I'd like to correct it.

1641
02:02:13,780 --> 02:02:14,140
I think you could.

1642
02:02:14,520 --> 02:02:18,360
Yeah, but I just won't know if, design-wise, or structurally,

1643
02:02:18,980 --> 02:02:21,740
there's enough space there that that was just my point of view.

1644
02:02:21,980 --> 02:02:22,360
Correctly.

1645
02:02:23,300 --> 02:02:23,680
Correctly.

1646
02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:25,360
And where that's going to land with them, right?

1647
02:02:25,500 --> 02:02:27,140
I just, I just won't let you answer that.

1648
02:02:27,620 --> 02:02:27,880
Well,

1649
02:02:39,620 --> 02:02:41,880
this is new territory for us.

1650
02:02:42,920 --> 02:02:50,860
before we get to classify judicial role in the distance of first appeal that this council

1651
02:02:50,860 --> 02:02:57,040
objective has covered on this council member Hicks and the council member Behr and everyone.

1652
02:02:58,420 --> 02:03:02,160
So it's important that we get to try.

1653
02:03:03,140 --> 02:03:09,240
So at the time we will allow council to make a motion.

1654
02:03:09,240 --> 02:03:09,960
And

1655
02:03:13,000 --> 02:03:16,500
again, this is across a new conditional role

1656
02:03:16,500 --> 02:03:19,900
and that will be equal process.

1657
02:03:20,680 --> 02:03:21,980
I think it's a good

1658
02:03:24,610 --> 02:03:24,750
question.

1659
02:03:25,930 --> 02:03:27,730
Can I ask a question, indeed?

1660
02:03:27,990 --> 02:03:28,370
Do you have any questions?

1661
02:03:29,810 --> 02:03:30,290
I'm

1662
02:03:48,020 --> 02:03:49,600
looking for conditions from the staff.

1663
02:03:50,360 --> 02:03:52,960
I'm just not sure if we're reading this.

1664
02:03:53,460 --> 02:03:54,840
You know, it says, what the recommended condition

1665
02:03:54,840 --> 02:03:55,700
just presented.

1666
02:03:56,320 --> 02:03:59,340
And obviously, if we're the, this has never been seen

1667
02:03:59,340 --> 02:04:00,860
before, we wouldn't have the attention yet.

1668
02:04:00,860 --> 02:04:06,180
That's about as intended to reference the condition for the ARV approved, or the original one.

1669
02:04:06,400 --> 02:04:06,440
Yeah.

1670
02:05:33,270 --> 02:05:34,070
What is the time

1671
02:05:36,500 --> 02:05:38,100
of day from today, from the closing?

1672
02:05:41,980 --> 02:05:44,320
Unless the applicant is willing to grant

1673
02:05:59,640 --> 02:06:02,440
an interview, I think the extension to that 30 days would

1674
02:06:12,200 --> 02:06:13,260
be beyond that 30 days.

1675
02:06:13,680 --> 02:06:17,420
That's the application that I'm doing right at the end of all these days.

1676
02:06:17,960 --> 02:06:19,760
It's largely applicant's consent.

1677
02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:20,640
If

1678
02:06:27,910 --> 02:06:29,690
you would comment here, I'm going to hold you.

1679
02:06:37,810 --> 02:06:40,150
If you know a wall that you set up against,

1680
02:06:40,890 --> 02:06:46,330
and a wall left in what would hold up about replacing the wall,

1681
02:06:46,770 --> 02:06:49,910
you're not going to have room to do the work,

1682
02:06:50,370 --> 02:06:54,050
and do it due to one floor while that wall is being reconstructed

1683
02:06:54,050 --> 02:06:57,170
without entering private property.

1684
02:06:58,370 --> 02:06:59,370
It's not going to happen.

1685
02:07:00,880 --> 02:07:03,720
I'm not one to put the time or two to be behind it,

1686
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:05,060
it's the problem again.

1687
02:07:06,020 --> 02:07:10,560
So it's going to take a lot of effort from both me and y'all

1688
02:07:11,960 --> 02:07:14,780
when the time comes, and the time comes,

1689
02:07:15,180 --> 02:07:16,180
where you've got to get it close,

1690
02:07:17,160 --> 02:07:19,900
or what's going to be like, you know,

1691
02:07:19,980 --> 02:07:21,320
we're going to have to work together on it.

1692
02:07:21,640 --> 02:07:24,080
Because you can't get on by a property

1693
02:07:25,140 --> 02:07:26,960
to do construction of a wall.

1694
02:07:27,860 --> 02:07:29,500
So we're going to have to work together on it.

1695
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:31,640
And I don't have a problem with that.

1696
02:07:32,140 --> 02:07:34,300
And as far as the city is far worse,

1697
02:07:34,860 --> 02:07:38,500
he has looked at some of the trees and looked at all of them

1698
02:07:38,500 --> 02:07:42,740
because they have a new process in place where we have to tag the trees

1699
02:07:42,740 --> 02:07:45,640
to do a real tree count for TDUs.

1700
02:07:47,140 --> 02:07:51,980
And so I have not had an opportunity to give him that provides point

1701
02:07:51,980 --> 02:07:53,680
because we just got tagged.

1702
02:07:55,020 --> 02:08:00,760
So, you know, in this sort of working with the city regarding that wall,

1703
02:08:01,140 --> 02:08:02,160
it won't forget it.

1704
02:08:02,300 --> 02:08:04,300
You also have the wall right out of the street.

1705
02:08:05,380 --> 02:08:06,700
That part of it does that.

1706
02:08:07,160 --> 02:08:08,760
And you don't have to do that at the same time.

1707
02:08:09,780 --> 02:08:11,660
So I agree with what you need to think about that there.

1708
02:08:13,640 --> 02:08:16,200
So, I can only attribute it to the rest of the inmates.

1709
02:08:23,040 --> 02:08:24,360
Public comments and a quote?

1710
02:08:26,540 --> 02:08:27,440
No, I'm sorry.

1711
02:08:33,000 --> 02:08:36,720
The council has a question, so if they happen to have that right.

1712
02:08:37,860 --> 02:08:38,340
Okay.

1713
02:08:38,920 --> 02:08:39,760
Thank you very much.

1714
02:08:39,800 --> 02:08:42,800
I'd like to offer a motion to table this item.

1715
02:08:43,680 --> 02:08:43,740
Okay.

1716
02:08:44,420 --> 02:08:49,820
And so the next policy work session, we'll take it up again and vote on it in January.

1717
02:08:50,900 --> 02:08:51,380
Second.

1718
02:08:51,600 --> 02:08:53,220
We have a motion to second the table.

1719
02:08:53,360 --> 02:08:56,300
Motion to table it is without discretion.

1720
02:08:56,300 --> 02:09:00,060
All in favor, let it be known by the way that you're writing in JNR.

1721
02:09:00,180 --> 02:09:00,840
All right.

1722
02:09:01,200 --> 02:09:02,320
Opposed at the same time?

1723
02:09:03,520 --> 02:09:04,160
Motion passes.

1724
02:09:06,230 --> 02:09:12,210
Okay, let's move to item six, the agreement to the Unified Development Ordnance Spelling

1725
02:09:12,210 --> 02:09:13,110
after a presentation.

1726
02:09:18,600 --> 02:09:19,380
Thank you, Mayor.

1727
02:09:20,940 --> 02:09:22,560
I'll get this right at some point.

1728
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:33,780
So, as you may recall, we have some things to use to make some organization demands to make sure that the UDO

1729
02:09:33,780 --> 02:09:36,360
is consistent with the comprehensive plan.

1730
02:09:37,080 --> 02:09:43,740
And we are trying to work for post-legislative amendments to focus on reformation, updating to visual standards

1731
02:09:43,740 --> 02:09:45,440
and curfewing system relations.

1732
02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:50,600
We're different dimensions. We are in

1733
02:09:55,560 --> 02:09:59,320
the zoning form, recommendation is for a certain definition

1734
02:09:59,320 --> 02:10:07,460
of the section, and they did recommend to table chapter 100, general and administrative

1735
02:10:07,460 --> 02:10:12,800
prohibitions, article 2, definition, chapter 200, listed here is in zoning, article 2,

1736
02:10:13,000 --> 02:10:16,820
supplemented on accessory use standards, and that's what I'll show you.

1737
02:10:21,600 --> 02:10:25,720
and I'm going to put the link to the report in the description below.

1738
02:10:27,300 --> 02:10:34,520
We are moving forward to you to the Director of Information at just over 100 to the Department

1739
02:10:34,520 --> 02:10:40,740
of Information on the Fourth Rate, the Review Authority, section of the Food Safety and

1740
02:10:40,740 --> 02:10:42,000
to be able to move your computer.

1741
02:10:42,760 --> 02:10:45,820
Now, if we look at the cost of controlling the computer,

1742
02:10:46,020 --> 02:10:47,300
how much time does it take to control it?

1743
02:10:47,540 --> 02:10:48,400
How much time?

1744
02:10:49,020 --> 02:10:50,940
How much time does it take to control the vacations

1745
02:10:50,940 --> 02:10:51,720
when we're starting the video?

1746
02:10:51,840 --> 02:10:54,140
This application from 15 to 8 to 30 minutes.

1747
02:10:54,780 --> 02:10:55,860
And so we've converted this into a system

1748
02:10:55,860 --> 02:10:58,460
because it has a cost-efficient visual procedure.

1749
02:10:58,820 --> 02:11:00,580
And so, of course, it's equal to whatever cost

1750
02:11:00,580 --> 02:11:03,000
it's due at the cost is, or,

1751
02:11:03,760 --> 02:11:05,420
what is the cost of this procedure

1752
02:11:05,420 --> 02:11:06,500
to the public here, though.

1753
02:11:08,180 --> 02:11:14,720
For the letter, after the 4th procedure, section 4, 3-D, administrative action process,

1754
02:11:15,240 --> 02:11:19,440
due to our final 3, the district planning administrator responsible for reviewing the

1755
02:11:19,440 --> 02:11:22,080
demolition only when the property is put in the district.

1756
02:11:23,500 --> 02:11:25,180
Section number 4-6.

1757
02:11:26,040 --> 02:11:31,740
I, too, would like to be due to review to detect the department's proposed appellate

1758
02:11:31,740 --> 02:11:36,260
board decision to the applicant from three days to five days, and this is to give some

1759
02:11:36,260 --> 02:11:41,380
more time to be able to provide information to the appellate, to the applicant that's

1760
02:11:41,380 --> 02:11:41,500
right.

1761
02:11:42,500 --> 02:11:46,540
A section of the approach that has been passed to a minister of variance will include additional

1762
02:11:46,540 --> 02:11:51,460
circumstances that are offered to the minister of variance under A2, such as summer, spaces,

1763
02:11:51,900 --> 02:11:56,200
access, parks, and new construction of a new porch, or modifications to an existing

1764
02:11:56,200 --> 02:11:56,700
porch.

1765
02:12:04,420 --> 02:12:11,140
And you can ask me any time if you have any questions and if we want to read into this

1766
02:12:11,140 --> 02:12:14,300
when we're going through the public policy session.

1767
02:12:14,900 --> 02:12:21,780
Moving on to chapter 200, languages and zoning, Article 1, Division 2, Section 10126C.

1768
02:12:21,780 --> 02:12:25,660
So, 100 people from your residence lost development standards.

1769
02:12:26,340 --> 02:12:30,900
It's an additional drawing unit lost development standards,

1770
02:12:31,000 --> 02:12:35,720
meaning I'm set back to refer to Section 203D for applicable development.

1771
02:12:36,240 --> 02:12:42,800
And after a policy section, I'm going to look through 217D for Act 75

1772
02:12:42,800 --> 02:12:45,940
through Act 8D for Act 60.

1773
02:12:46,700 --> 02:12:53,260
So if you want all these meetings with people and whoever they want to do an accessory drawing,

1774
02:12:53,500 --> 02:12:54,980
you can sit and look into that.

1775
02:12:55,220 --> 02:13:00,060
To be right, we're going to go over to the section which is 4-2-3-D,

1776
02:13:00,380 --> 02:13:03,640
which is the part that we're going to do with accessory drawings.

1777
02:13:06,280 --> 02:13:09,740
The section to look through three accessory uses or structures,

1778
02:13:09,740 --> 02:13:11,600
and language to be accepted.

1779
02:13:11,800 --> 02:13:15,380
You'll only need a D.U. for permission to collect your experience

1780
02:13:15,380 --> 02:13:18,880
with a requirement, and these updates are intended

1781
02:13:18,880 --> 02:13:22,060
to implement questions that unfortunately are not consistent

1782
02:13:22,060 --> 02:13:25,440
with the consistency of A.D.s within residential districts.

1783
02:13:26,740 --> 02:13:29,960
So in other words, the comments and some of these policy

1784
02:13:29,960 --> 02:13:33,740
sessions are clearly recommended.

1785
02:13:34,260 --> 02:13:37,700
So some suggestions on the digital and the short term,

1786
02:13:37,700 --> 02:13:40,360
what I felt the policy that was just approved last month.

1787
02:13:42,560 --> 02:13:46,120
And then, um, so after two lectures,

1788
02:13:46,280 --> 02:13:48,180
I'll introduce in some of the article four,

1789
02:13:48,340 --> 02:13:51,420
Sanary Regulations, section 204.5,

1790
02:13:51,640 --> 02:13:53,120
signed from having a permit.

1791
02:13:55,210 --> 02:13:57,270
The additional two, I don't remember seven,

1792
02:13:57,370 --> 02:13:58,850
but I just wanted to find out what's

1793
02:13:58,850 --> 02:14:00,350
going to happen with the specific standards

1794
02:14:00,350 --> 02:14:02,570
that were in section 204.18,

1795
02:14:03,090 --> 02:14:04,630
which is practically a second permit

1796
02:14:04,630 --> 02:14:06,530
in requirements under this section,

1797
02:14:07,050 --> 02:14:08,550
the Commissioning and Progress Consistency

1798
02:14:08,550 --> 02:14:09,870
across the time-regulations,

1799
02:14:10,190 --> 02:14:12,450
elevating potential costs like each one's section.

1800
02:14:13,050 --> 02:14:14,970
It is said that the content is supposedly

1801
02:14:14,970 --> 02:14:17,290
regulated in section 204.18,

1802
02:14:17,470 --> 02:14:18,190
and treated uniformly.

1803
02:14:19,570 --> 02:14:22,530
In temporary time, section 204.12,

1804
02:14:22,890 --> 02:14:24,490
we're noticing that sections are clear

1805
02:14:24,490 --> 02:14:26,110
because of the benefits that allow

1806
02:14:26,110 --> 02:14:28,870
allowance for temporary science up to 30 to 40,

1807
02:14:29,410 --> 02:14:31,630
plus the institutional usage located

1808
02:14:31,630 --> 02:14:33,710
in residential learning districts as well,

1809
02:14:34,310 --> 02:14:36,390
such as the worship or school.

1810
02:14:37,790 --> 02:14:41,570
And in article 6, not performing situations,

1811
02:14:42,590 --> 02:14:45,990
person to a fixed A-B exceptions to modified language

1812
02:14:45,990 --> 02:14:48,930
to include exam-prepared, um,

1813
02:14:49,430 --> 02:14:52,970
type of data for the sum of the confirmed time

1814
02:14:52,970 --> 02:14:55,230
that were at A for cell signs.

1815
02:14:55,330 --> 02:14:56,710
One of the questions you asked was,

1816
02:14:56,910 --> 02:14:57,750
what is the core cell sign?

1817
02:15:01,200 --> 02:15:12,340
Under the compliance under 16, 1, or C, for order to be very clear for the public, we have a force that will end the same regulation of that one.

1818
02:15:14,270 --> 02:15:23,750
So, back to section 206, 8c, the acceptance to metal 5 to include exempt covered and affirmative encroachment upon reported setbacks.

1819
02:15:33,310 --> 02:15:38,850
to make a decision whether you would like to move forward with this request.

1820
02:15:40,590 --> 02:15:45,810
Thank you. I would like to repeat that. We'll open the floor for questions from council, council members,

1821
02:15:59,760 --> 02:16:01,060
Yeah, let's do that.

1822
02:16:02,080 --> 02:16:03,480
Do we have...

1823
02:16:03,480 --> 02:16:04,500
Everybody's got...

1824
02:16:07,980 --> 02:16:08,820
Yes, yes.

1825
02:16:22,100 --> 02:16:23,260
And that's what I wanted to say.

1826
02:16:23,320 --> 02:16:26,160
I guess I just wanted to ask that you table this

1827
02:16:26,160 --> 02:16:28,040
so that you can provide

1828
02:16:28,040 --> 02:16:29,240
a full and complete

1829
02:16:29,240 --> 02:16:30,620
and comprehensive

1830
02:16:32,360 --> 02:16:32,820
information

1831
02:16:32,820 --> 02:16:38,760
A lot of copy of the changes that we're just keeping out to you this evening, trying to follow those.

1832
02:16:39,080 --> 02:16:47,420
You know, reading the original draft two months ago, there were a lot of conflicting explanations.

1833
02:16:47,880 --> 02:16:52,500
There were conflicting chapters that were set aside for a long period of highway.

1834
02:16:53,300 --> 02:16:56,240
I don't know whether they're dead or not. I'm trying to go through the code here.

1835
02:16:56,760 --> 02:17:00,920
There's really nothing to highlight in here. There's some dark ducts, there's some light ducts.

1836
02:17:00,920 --> 02:17:09,660
I would ask you to please list a month in a red-blooded version that can be reviewed

1837
02:17:09,660 --> 02:17:15,840
and let's see if the changes make any real impact to the Unidero and vote on it then.

1838
02:17:16,120 --> 02:17:16,560
Thank you.

1839
02:17:17,200 --> 02:17:18,400
Thank you so much.

1840
02:17:18,460 --> 02:17:20,220
Any other questions?

1841
02:17:25,270 --> 02:17:26,470
I'll take those off.

1842
02:17:30,170 --> 02:17:35,170
So I think that's a question that Mr. Jim understands.

1843
02:17:36,230 --> 02:17:43,210
To the extent that we want or the extent of the duty that we want to be approved today,

1844
02:17:43,730 --> 02:17:47,330
we do not have to take the section that would be tabled.

1845
02:17:48,130 --> 02:17:54,550
I'm assuming that the committee is going to be more recommended to take those exact sections that he's repressing today.

1846
02:18:37,700 --> 02:18:40,160
set that up based on the height of the building.

1847
02:18:40,920 --> 02:18:44,060
So if you have a work store at AU,

1848
02:18:45,080 --> 02:18:50,120
it follows the standard setback as outlined here.

1849
02:18:50,940 --> 02:18:51,900
To be a bit larger,

1850
02:18:54,260 --> 02:18:55,220
there's no sense for me

1851
02:18:55,220 --> 02:18:56,520
that the setback would change.

1852
02:18:58,000 --> 02:19:00,380
I'd say that's the way it's done in the city of Atlanta,

1853
02:19:00,720 --> 02:19:03,320
for example, and the other jurisdictions as well.

1854
02:19:03,320 --> 02:19:13,000
But one of the objections I heard is the wall effect of a car building built close to the

1855
02:19:13,000 --> 02:19:13,500
carpet line.

1856
02:19:14,480 --> 02:19:21,820
I'm not sure this would totally mitigate that, but at least it would show some interest in

1857
02:19:23,320 --> 02:19:31,260
the, I think they call it the shadow, it's the case of a building that the building,

1858
02:19:31,920 --> 02:19:38,980
building that expanded the same height as the main structure would have to be built

1859
02:19:38,980 --> 02:19:41,660
for the use of the building than just that.

1860
02:19:42,660 --> 02:19:47,240
I'm wondering whether this was something we discussed or whether it was something we

1861
02:19:47,240 --> 02:19:48,820
heard in the last policy work session.

1862
02:19:50,520 --> 02:19:51,840
We discussed it.

1863
02:20:25,520 --> 02:20:28,320
continue or we don't want to approve the changes.

1864
02:20:28,780 --> 02:20:28,940
That's not a problem.

1865
02:20:29,480 --> 02:20:29,560
OK.

1866
02:20:29,880 --> 02:20:33,240
So we would like to add a little bit more change

1867
02:20:33,240 --> 02:20:34,580
when we do this tonight.

1868
02:20:35,000 --> 02:20:38,000
We would like to add that you would say

1869
02:20:39,200 --> 02:20:41,120
to include this into the motion.

1870
02:20:41,840 --> 02:20:44,340
If you don't want to do it and you want to cable

1871
02:20:44,340 --> 02:20:48,220
for us to come back to you next month or this month

1872
02:20:48,220 --> 02:20:50,060
in the fall of the fall of the session,

1873
02:20:50,440 --> 02:20:52,700
then you would have to extend the work for tonight.

1874
02:20:52,700 --> 02:20:58,920
Okay, and then, first of all, I want to remind you that we're just a little bit older than

1875
02:20:59,780 --> 02:21:04,000
the term of the project, which is my term, and particularly also, I think we're kind

1876
02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:07,540
of far as online. It sounds like anything you want to respond to, but the presentation

1877
02:21:07,540 --> 02:21:12,940
has a lot of response, and what it's just going to be, is going to be a critical

1878
02:21:12,940 --> 02:21:15,780
reason why I'm convinced that the agency has a medium in the case that the more

1879
02:21:15,780 --> 02:21:19,300
it's working on. Just so we're client on the air.

1880
02:21:19,300 --> 02:21:20,340
So,

1881
02:21:24,470 --> 02:21:29,210
okay, you can start with the one you're recruiting, which one of those will be tabled?

1882
02:21:29,670 --> 02:21:36,250
It was the one which was the table, as well as the section 2 of 2 dash 3.

1883
02:21:36,350 --> 02:21:37,650
That's what your users are structure.

1884
02:21:39,430 --> 02:21:41,030
Just move to dash 3?

1885
02:21:47,250 --> 02:21:50,710
No, it's not. It's under the table.

1886
02:22:13,050 --> 02:22:16,430
I was waiting right here at the right time.

1887
02:22:17,370 --> 02:22:18,170
You good?

1888
02:22:19,730 --> 02:22:21,710
If I'm good, I'm on board to vote for someone.

1889
02:22:21,710 --> 02:22:22,470
There

1890
02:22:26,760 --> 02:22:29,200
would be an opportunity for a party that

1891
02:22:29,200 --> 02:22:31,720
provides amendments to the Department of Development

1892
02:22:31,720 --> 02:22:36,020
Ordinance that would help them to move into a dissolution

1893
02:22:39,640 --> 02:22:42,520
to take a decision on a decision to enter a hearing,

1894
02:22:51,540 --> 02:22:52,120
take a decision,

1895
02:22:55,160 --> 02:22:56,120
book a trial in the first place.

1896
02:22:56,720 --> 02:22:59,160
There was no room for a decision to move into a decision.

1897
02:22:59,520 --> 02:23:01,320
In fact, there was a decision to move into a hearing

1898
02:23:01,320 --> 02:23:02,600
for a hearing for the first time

1899
02:23:02,600 --> 02:23:04,180
right without a decision, which

1900
02:23:04,180 --> 02:23:06,220
were given to the same council leaders

1901
02:23:06,660 --> 02:23:08,920
in the first place in part of the hearing.

1902
02:23:11,620 --> 02:23:12,340
Okay.

1903
02:23:15,960 --> 02:23:17,220
We have a motion on the floor.

1904
02:23:18,660 --> 02:23:20,080
We have a second.

1905
02:23:22,480 --> 02:23:23,300
I can't second.

1906
02:23:25,320 --> 02:23:25,980
Elsewhere we take.

1907
02:23:27,520 --> 02:23:29,200
Any additional questions?

1908
02:23:31,460 --> 02:23:35,680
Objections to movement or are we clear before we move on?

1909
02:23:36,040 --> 02:23:36,240
We

1910
02:23:40,750 --> 02:23:41,230
have motion.

1911
02:23:41,230 --> 02:23:46,670
in a second to approve additional questions and no objections, to lose a question.

1912
02:23:47,190 --> 02:23:49,930
All those people they've been known for raising their right to dance like that.

1913
02:23:50,650 --> 02:23:52,430
That was the same problem.

1914
02:23:54,290 --> 02:23:55,670
It's okay, gentlemen.

1915
02:24:03,080 --> 02:24:09,740
Yeah, there are reports from council members this time that you may have missed.

1916
02:24:11,580 --> 02:24:19,340
Just a couple of reminders, our holiday celebration is coming up for those who are watching recorded

1917
02:24:19,340 --> 02:24:19,740
version.

1918
02:24:20,760 --> 02:24:27,360
Friday, December the 5th, 5.30 to 2.30, and we will usher in Santa.

1919
02:24:28,600 --> 02:24:35,240
Church arrives again Friday, December the 5th through the 19th, every Thursday and Friday.

1920
02:24:35,240 --> 02:24:43,540
the historic Christmas Village Saturday, December 6th, and of course, photos with Santa, December

1921
02:24:43,540 --> 02:24:50,480
9th through the 19th. Also, the International Night Market, of course, that holiday Friday,

1922
02:24:50,940 --> 02:24:54,400
December 12th, that's new at Lillian West Park.

1923
02:24:57,510 --> 02:25:00,730
And I think that's about it.

1924
02:25:00,730 --> 02:25:07,350
First Friday, concert, 7 sharp, January 2nd, 7,

1925
02:25:09,690 --> 02:25:13,130
if you allow me, Mr. Mayor, I just want to call out again for anybody that might be watching this.

1926
02:25:13,610 --> 02:25:21,010
It's the Congress Miller, it's the neighborhood Christmas training experience, and they are supporting the CROA with the proceeds.

1927
02:25:21,550 --> 02:25:25,590
It's on the weekends in December, and it's a great place to take kids.

1928
02:25:31,290 --> 02:25:38,170
Okay, moving down to item dating, which is board appointments, let's start with the

1929
02:25:38,170 --> 02:25:39,910
Downtown Development Authority.

1930
02:25:43,260 --> 02:25:46,840
We've heard the recommendations and we've discussed this and that.

1931
02:25:47,480 --> 02:25:49,940
Council, what are your pleasure?

1932
02:26:08,660 --> 02:26:16,500
We need to get more basis on these boards and re-appointing over and over again.

1933
02:26:17,160 --> 02:26:19,920
On top of that, we need to get more basis on these boards and re-appointing over and over again.

1934
02:26:19,920 --> 02:26:26,560
I think Ms. Summers has done a wonderful job on the board, and I don't object to her,

1935
02:26:27,060 --> 02:26:32,220
but I think we need to do some, we need to be careful, and maybe this isn't the time,

1936
02:26:32,920 --> 02:26:40,460
but we need a function to reverse the news on these boards, and the BDA is a board that,

1937
02:26:41,060 --> 02:26:47,560
I think by the chair's own admission, is most of the people come from the same background.

1938
02:26:47,560 --> 02:26:59,020
summer is one that might actually be different. But I'm going through here to say that we need to do a better job in making these boards more diverse.

1939
02:27:02,170 --> 02:27:03,430
Any other comments, council?

1940
02:27:03,790 --> 02:27:04,270
I agree.

1941
02:27:11,040 --> 02:27:12,860
Any objections or moves to the question?

1942
02:27:14,280 --> 02:27:17,140
All in favor, let me know. I'm not writing it right here and saying no.

1943
02:27:19,960 --> 02:27:25,660
motion passes. All right, let's move to items two, the North Cross Housing Authority. We've

1944
02:27:25,660 --> 02:27:27,420
already gone

1945
02:27:30,490 --> 02:27:39,970
through the vetting process with Pam Hopper and Melissa as the chair's recommendation

1946
02:27:39,970 --> 02:27:47,490
on that one. North Cross Public Arts Commission, this is a motion to approve or reappoint

1947
02:27:59,540 --> 02:28:03,620
I would like to make a motion to approve the re-applyment of Michael McManus to the term

1948
02:28:03,620 --> 02:28:07,360
expiration of 12-1, 2028 to the Northwest Public Arts Commission.

1949
02:28:08,380 --> 02:28:09,700
We have a motion on the floor.

1950
02:28:09,980 --> 02:28:10,380
Do we have a second?

1951
02:28:10,720 --> 02:28:11,600
Motion is taken.

1952
02:28:12,540 --> 02:28:14,100
Motion is third on the floor.

1953
02:28:15,700 --> 02:28:17,720
Any objections to the movement's questions?

1954
02:28:18,020 --> 02:28:18,620
I've been heard none.

1955
02:28:18,780 --> 02:28:20,440
All in favor of being on a regular item.

1956
02:28:23,340 --> 02:28:28,180
We're going to move down to the content agenda.

1957
02:28:31,140 --> 02:28:38,040
We'll start with the ability to vote on select items at policy work sessions.

1958
02:28:41,670 --> 02:28:43,610
Bill, I think you were warm to present that.

1959
02:28:46,050 --> 02:28:55,170
has become mine. So, after the policy work session, we discussed provision essentially

1960
02:28:55,170 --> 02:29:00,810
kind of creating a second consent agenda that we put on the policy work session to approve

1961
02:29:00,810 --> 02:29:08,030
certain items. So, we've made those amendments. Essentially, what I've done is to go through

1962
02:29:08,030 --> 02:29:13,270
some more process that we go through today in our regular meetings, where as you recall

1963
02:29:13,270 --> 02:29:19,570
the items we say whether or not we're going on to what we've called the routine agenda.

1964
02:29:20,230 --> 02:29:24,770
I just wanted to distinguish that from the consent agenda.

1965
02:29:25,530 --> 02:29:32,250
And essentially as we go through the items, Council can either say, as we do,

1966
02:29:32,390 --> 02:29:36,610
put this on the regular work session, or add that to that routine agenda.

1967
02:29:37,050 --> 02:29:40,350
And then at the end of the night, Council will approve the routine agenda.

1968
02:29:41,730 --> 02:29:45,070
similar to the way that we do the consent and then we're just kind of breaking it up.

1969
02:29:46,490 --> 02:29:49,390
This was definitely the concept that we discussed.

1970
02:29:49,850 --> 02:29:52,330
I'm not going to answer any questions that we have on that.

1971
02:29:53,370 --> 02:29:56,310
We just discussed this at the policy work session.

1972
02:29:56,430 --> 02:29:59,910
But there are some items that will be that we're going to have to have.

1973
02:30:03,700 --> 02:30:09,340
And so the intention would be that the agenda report would contain something that says, you know,

1974
02:30:09,440 --> 02:30:14,840
in the memo line, qualified for Virginia agenda, yes or no.

1975
02:30:15,600 --> 02:30:18,100
Just that way, we all know what will be qualified.

1976
02:30:18,400 --> 02:30:18,480
I

1977
02:30:25,710 --> 02:30:29,470
appreciate all the hard work on that. I was just trying to take sure where everything is we go.

1978
02:30:29,650 --> 02:30:34,530
And that's just how it works for the process. I'll let you do your job and I'll just wrap it up.

1979
02:30:36,860 --> 02:30:45,800
I just want to make sure we have the same process, a one vote to not put something on the routine

1980
02:30:45,800 --> 02:30:47,940
agenda just enough to take it forward.

1981
02:30:48,700 --> 02:30:50,080
Yeah, sorry, that was an important part.

1982
02:30:50,340 --> 02:30:50,580
That's right.

1983
02:30:51,120 --> 02:30:55,500
Take your consensus for it to go to the routine agenda, and the routine agenda gets approved.

1984
02:30:55,660 --> 02:30:56,540
It needs that consensus.

1985
02:30:57,160 --> 02:31:02,280
You can build in the opportunity for someone to say, as they get to that routine agenda,

1986
02:31:02,580 --> 02:31:03,700
I don't want to think it's awesome.

1987
02:31:04,680 --> 02:31:05,920
I have

1988
02:31:12,740 --> 02:31:20,380
one quick question, and we talked briefly about this, the reference to parliamentary

1989
02:31:20,380 --> 02:31:21,140
procedures.

1990
02:31:21,440 --> 02:31:24,780
I think you also need a reference to Robert's Rules of Order.

1991
02:31:25,160 --> 02:31:27,800
Yeah, Robert's Rules is referenced in our charter.

1992
02:31:28,660 --> 02:31:32,980
You'll see a large amount of redlining from the original ordinance.

1993
02:31:33,940 --> 02:31:38,940
I second basically, we copy and pasted Rosenberg's Rules of Order and put it in that ordinance.

1994
02:31:38,940 --> 02:31:45,040
And so I'm just, to read it that way, is that in the 18 word minutes, one, incredibly long,

1995
02:31:45,560 --> 02:31:49,980
and two, it conflicts with the charter that says that we do, we operate under Robert's rules.

1996
02:31:50,700 --> 02:31:53,620
It says that our doors and authorities operate under Rose and Berge,

1997
02:31:53,760 --> 02:31:57,820
but the council operates under Robert's distinction.

1998
02:31:58,380 --> 02:32:00,980
Most of the time it doesn't matter, but there are cases where it wouldn't matter.

1999
02:32:01,260 --> 02:32:07,420
So there are other cases where it doesn't matter.

2000
02:32:07,420 --> 02:32:11,320
90 percent of the time, 90 percent, right, or five, yeah, yeah.

2001
02:32:12,160 --> 02:32:21,460
Also, my last question was, I appreciate Marshall bringing this to us for discussion.

2002
02:32:22,200 --> 02:32:28,740
I guess the reason is to increase the speed of government.

2003
02:32:33,130 --> 02:32:43,350
But transparency is important, how can we ensure that we have the same transparency that we have before making these changes?

2004
02:32:43,570 --> 02:32:47,970
Yeah, so we're having minimum requirements under the Open Meetup Act.

2005
02:32:48,370 --> 02:32:50,790
So we will have to meet those.

2006
02:32:51,130 --> 02:32:54,970
And we've made a policy of making sure that we're doing more than that and they have a policy.

2007
02:32:55,330 --> 02:32:58,150
The agenda is published more than 24 hours ahead.

2008
02:32:58,850 --> 02:33:07,210
That's one reason I think putting that in the recommendation of whether or not it's eligible for routine agenda would be important in that way.

2009
02:33:07,330 --> 02:33:09,670
That way the public knows I want to speak on it.

2010
02:33:09,950 --> 02:33:12,730
This could be my only chance to be gone.

2011
02:33:14,110 --> 02:33:23,130
My last interjection was one of the things that helped to move this agenda item was time limit,

2012
02:33:23,130 --> 02:33:30,510
with Council entertaining time limits on presentation for agenda items.

2013
02:33:35,350 --> 02:33:36,310
Each agenda item.

2014
02:33:36,790 --> 02:33:37,550
From the public?

2015
02:33:37,990 --> 02:33:38,670
No, from us.

2016
02:33:39,330 --> 02:33:39,590
From us.

2017
02:33:40,370 --> 02:33:42,170
Because, of course, we're in charge.

2018
02:33:42,410 --> 02:33:45,110
We're doing a lot of homework outside of the meeting.

2019
02:33:51,620 --> 02:33:53,360
A lot of destruction that goes into

2020
02:33:57,200 --> 02:33:58,300
the policy work session.

2021
02:33:58,660 --> 02:34:00,140
And limiting time at that point.

2022
02:34:11,350 --> 02:34:18,030
I think because the purpose is to speed up the speed of government.

2023
02:34:18,030 --> 02:34:26,210
And I guess my concern is we need to make sure that we stay within expected time limits.

2024
02:34:27,230 --> 02:34:32,070
Discussion of the exigen items is sometimes we can kind of go on and we repeat it.

2025
02:34:34,910 --> 02:34:36,990
It's important that we stay focused on that.

2026
02:34:37,170 --> 02:34:37,510
That's a good point.

2027
02:34:37,790 --> 02:34:38,690
Yeah, that's a good point.

2028
02:34:38,690 --> 02:34:44,250
If we stay within, we advertise topics or things, right?

2029
02:34:44,790 --> 02:34:45,570
So that's an issue.

2030
02:34:46,470 --> 02:34:46,630
Yeah.

2031
02:34:46,650 --> 02:34:47,130
Not really.

2032
02:34:47,430 --> 02:34:48,870
Is that an artificial time limit?

2033
02:34:49,670 --> 02:34:51,430
So this is how they do it.

2034
02:34:52,330 --> 02:34:52,890
You're

2035
02:34:59,610 --> 02:35:02,350
going to be open for you challenging,

2036
02:35:02,910 --> 02:35:05,270
at least me as a council member, to get my point out.

2037
02:35:05,670 --> 02:35:09,990
And if I was repeating myself, to say that you already heard that,

2038
02:35:10,610 --> 02:35:14,770
I would certainly welcome that in terms of our community's being more efficient.

2039
02:35:15,290 --> 02:35:15,510
Right.

2040
02:35:16,550 --> 02:35:23,270
And Robert Cruz's order allows, I was trying to avoid having to use the heavy hand.

2041
02:35:23,270 --> 02:35:23,950
Act

2042
02:36:07,400 --> 02:36:13,170
as a firewall in government, I especially appreciate you being a robust firewall.

2043
02:36:13,810 --> 02:36:13,950
You know,

2044
02:36:17,970 --> 02:36:22,880
we've got everything figured out and able to hear from our constituents.

2045
02:36:25,230 --> 02:36:28,290
Well, some things that I find seem really straightforward,

2046
02:36:28,610 --> 02:36:33,010
but a lot of times our constituents might want to have more information

2047
02:36:33,010 --> 02:36:35,970
or at least have the option of being able to get more information.

2048
02:36:37,470 --> 02:36:40,870
The second thing I like to say is that I am very grateful for staff

2049
02:36:40,870 --> 02:36:46,790
because I feel like when staff have an agenda item that they see that's not a good time

2050
02:36:46,790 --> 02:36:51,350
when that's a factor, they do a great job of raising that to our attention and asking

2051
02:36:51,350 --> 02:36:53,210
for us to consider that quicker.

2052
02:36:53,990 --> 02:36:59,210
And I'm very grateful for my fellow staff members because we've written that, you know,

2053
02:36:59,390 --> 02:37:05,090
and asked for theirs and I have no knowledge of any time when they have asked for something

2054
02:37:05,090 --> 02:37:08,550
to be taken care of on a time of manner that we haven't facilitated in that this

2055
02:37:18,660 --> 02:37:21,780
sooner, but it's just all different, you know,

2056
02:37:26,060 --> 02:37:28,160
a lot of times our agenda only gets published,

2057
02:37:28,160 --> 02:37:33,560
you know, certainly within the legal time, but it's just before the weekend when we're

2058
02:37:33,560 --> 02:37:39,200
going to have a vote on something on a Monday. And so, you know, it's just due to the functional

2059
02:37:39,200 --> 02:37:44,660
government that you can't come out sooner than that. And, you know, lastly, I would

2060
02:37:44,660 --> 02:37:48,780
just say that there's a balance between short and immediate, and making sure that

2061
02:37:48,780 --> 02:38:01,720
what we do, and as it comes across with the perceptions in public, that it's been thoroughly considered, and, you know, for a hundred and fifty years, the city of North Cross, to my knowledge, has not enabled this kind of speediness.

2062
02:38:10,960 --> 02:38:11,460
Any other

2063
02:38:20,960 --> 02:38:31,260
precincts of the city have reason to allow the city to have full support for the length of items, and not to pursue accession to contents in January policy?

2064
02:38:32,000 --> 02:38:34,060
I think we have a motion on the 40 we have a second.

2065
02:38:34,520 --> 02:38:35,460
So any

2066
02:38:38,700 --> 02:38:40,260
objections or movement questions?

2067
02:39:04,520 --> 02:39:06,240
I'm going to get it off here.

2068
02:39:07,320 --> 02:39:11,270
I think we have a real estate condition.

2069
02:39:11,670 --> 02:39:17,720
I think we have a motion to adjourn.

2070
02:39:21,600 --> 02:39:22,240
Good for you.

2071
02:39:22,940 --> 02:39:25,500
This is Sheila's last piece

2072
02:39:33,220 --> 02:39:34,340
that she has seen.

2073
02:39:47,360 --> 02:39:49,700
I'm not sure if I've got the job, but she's a

2074
02:40:27,460 --> 02:40:28,120
pretty good person.

2075
02:40:59,120 --> 02:41:00,660
Please don't hear from us.

2076
02:41:01,000 --> 02:41:01,220
Please

2077
02:41:05,190 --> 02:41:06,010
don't hear from us.