1 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:24,720 Okay. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. 2 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:29,360 » Can I have your attention? It's 5:00 now. 3 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:33,040 501. Uh, and we will begin our committee of adjustment 4 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:36,720 committee of adjustment meeting for the month of August. 5 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:40,080 Everyone's information. We generally deal with each application according to 6 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:45,280 the order of the agenda. Extra copies are available 7 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:48,720 somewhere over there. Um, 8 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:52,080 anyone present who wishes to speak in support or against an application as 9 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:55,599 well as anyone with any questions will have an opportunity to speak. The 10 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:59,200 committee will make their decision following each application. If there's 11 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:03,599 anyone present who is not an applicant or an agent but is interested in the 12 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:07,439 decision of the committee, you may file your interest with the secretary 13 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:10,480 treasurer. Please list the file number, your full name, and mailing address. 14 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:16,799 Copies of the decisions are automatically sent to the applicant and 15 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:21,040 agent within 15 days of the meeting. Only the applicant, the minister, a 16 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:25,199 specified person, or any public body may appeal 17 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:30,320 may appeal decisions in respect to applications for consent or minor 18 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:34,479 variances to the Ontario Land Tribunal. The decisions are final if there are no 19 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:37,759 appeals 20 days after the committee's decision. 20 00:04:35,919 --> 00:04:41,840 May I remind everyone that we're being recorded to mute your devices as well as 21 00:04:39,919 --> 00:04:46,560 if you wish to speak to an application. Make your way to the podium. 22 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:51,120 State your name for the public record. Ensure the mic is on and you will have 23 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:54,639 five minutes. The first order of business is to 24 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:58,080 determine whether any members have any disclosures of interest when considering 25 00:04:56,639 --> 00:05:00,960 the applications. Are there any disclosures? Joe? 26 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:07,840 » 510. >> Uh item 510 for Joe. Anybody else? 27 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,479 Okay. Have all the members received the 28 00:05:09,199 --> 00:05:16,560 minutes of the previous meeting? Are there any errors or omissions? 29 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:21,880 If not, I need a mover and a seconder to adopt 30 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,880 the minutes. Phil 31 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:27,160 and Chris. 32 00:05:33,039 --> 00:05:40,080 Okay. First application. 33 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:44,479 Oh, before we start, we have three items that were 34 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:50,160 automatically deferred or withdrawn. BNPL 2026099, 35 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:56,960 2026166 were both deferred. BNPL 2026156 36 00:05:54,639 --> 00:06:02,560 was withdrawn. So, we'll move on. 37 00:05:59,919 --> 00:06:06,000 And the first application is N&PL 2026101 and the planner can give the 38 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:10,240 report please. >> Uh thank you. Through the chair to 39 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:15,199 committee, an application has been uh received to seek relief of 3 meters from 40 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:20,560 the maximum permitted height of 5 meters to permit a height of 8 meters and 7% 41 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:27,039 from the maximum permitted lot coverage of 10% to a to permit a coverage of 17% 42 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:33,600 and 70 square meters from the maximum permitted floor area of 55 m to permit a 43 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:38,560 usable floor area of 125 m for an accessory building in the residential 44 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:43,120 2R2 zone. home. The subject lands are located at 157 William Street in 45 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:49,680 Delhigh. The area of the subject lands is approximately 783 square meters with 46 00:06:45,919 --> 00:06:54,240 approximately 18.70 m on the north side of William Street. The subject lands are 47 00:06:52,319 --> 00:06:58,400 occupied by a single detached dwelling and a detached garage that is to be 48 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:02,880 demolished. Surrounding land uses are mostly residential. Given the above, it 49 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:06,720 is the professional opinion of the planning staff that this proposal meets 50 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:10,479 the four tests of a minor variant and this proposal is recommended for 51 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:14,479 approval. Thank you. >> Thank you. Any questions of the 52 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:19,240 committee? Is there an agent or applicant present? 53 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:25,080 Is there anyone present that wishes to speak to this application? 54 00:07:25,599 --> 00:07:34,199 If not, I have a recommend recommendation for approval. Can I get a 55 00:07:29,599 --> 00:07:34,199 mover in a seconder? Joe, 56 00:07:35,039 --> 00:07:38,039 Phil 57 00:07:38,479 --> 00:07:45,800 20226101. All in favor? 58 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,800 That's carried. 59 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:03,039 Next up is BNPL 2026068. The planner can give the report please. 60 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:07,599 » Okay. Before I like uh start uh this one, there was public uh comments 61 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:12,879 submitted. I believe the committee was circulated on these comments this 62 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:17,919 morning. So uh just to put that on the uh the record, an application has been 63 00:08:15,919 --> 00:08:26,240 received to sever a parcel having a frontage of 21.64 m, a width of 21.64 64 64 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:31,360 m, a depth of 39 m, and a total area of 843.96 65 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:38,000 square meters, and a retained parcel having an area of 2,00 uh 312.51 66 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:43,599 square meters as the uh creation of a lot in the Hamlet commercial zone. The 67 00:08:40,560 --> 00:08:48,720 subject lands are located at uh 2590 Norolk County Road 23 at the 68 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:52,880 intersection of Norfolk County Road 21. The area of the severed lands is 69 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:59,680 approximately 843.96. Uh the retained parcel has an area of 70 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:03,440 approximately 2 uh 312.51 square meters. The severed lands are 71 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:08,080 occupied by the existing commercial building. The retained lands uh contain 72 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:12,240 a commercial building with an attached dwelling and three sheds. The 73 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:17,040 surrounding land uses are predominantly residential. A hydrogeeological study 74 00:09:14,959 --> 00:09:22,240 will be required to ensure that the severed lot is of adequate size for 75 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:27,760 private services. Uh the retained parcel uh contains a well. A new well will be 76 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:32,720 required on the severed lands. A minor variance application will be required uh 77 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:38,160 to rectify the lot area and frontage deficiencies of the severed parcel. The 78 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:43,760 area of the proposed severed parcel is approximately 843.96 79 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:49,040 m where 1,860 m is the minimum required lot area. The 80 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:56,720 proposed severed uh parcel would have a frontage of 21.46 m where 30 m is the 81 00:09:54,320 --> 00:10:00,720 minimum uh requirement for frontage. Given the above is the professional 82 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:04,560 opinion of the planning staff that this proposal meets the planning act. the 83 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:08,959 provincial planning statement conforms to the official plan and meets the 84 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:12,640 intent and purpose of the zoning bylaw. Uh this proposal is recommended for 85 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:17,120 approval with the attached conditions. Thank you. 86 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:21,279 » Thank you. Any questions? Is there an agent or applicant present? 87 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,959 » We're here. >> Anything to add? 88 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:27,440 » No. >> Nothing to add. They indicate. Is there 89 00:10:25,839 --> 00:10:30,600 anyone present that wishes to speak to this application? 90 00:10:32,079 --> 00:10:37,360 Okay, we have a motion or a recommendation for 91 00:10:35,839 --> 00:10:42,200 approval. Can I get a mover in a second here? Joe, Linda, 92 00:10:46,079 --> 00:10:53,480 BNPL 2026 0668. All in favor? It's carried. 93 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:08,399 The MPL 2026110. The planner can give the report, please. 94 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:12,959 » Thank you. Through the chair, an application has been received to sever a 95 00:11:10,079 --> 00:11:21,360 parcel having a frontage of 12.1 m, a width of 12.19 m, and a depth of 14.69 m 96 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:26,720 with a total lot area of 178.4 m in the central business district zone. and 97 00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:31,440 retain a parcel having an area of 235.5 square meters in the CBD zone. Uh the 98 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:35,360 subject lands are located at 69 Robinson Street and 12 Cobburn Street North at 99 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:38,880 the intersection of Robinson Street and Cobburn Street in the town of Simco. The 100 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:43,839 area of the subject lands is approximately 486 square meters with 101 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:47,519 approximately 12.1 meters of frontage on the north side of Robinson Street. The 102 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:50,959 subject lands are occupied by two commercial buildings with one building 103 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:54,720 having frontage along Robinson Street and another building having frontage 104 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:58,079 along Cobburn Street North. The subject lands were previously two separate 105 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:02,640 parcels. However, they were merged on title. The subject application seeks to 106 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:07,040 unmmerge the parcels. The proposal is consistent with the planning act PPS 107 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:10,480 2024 conforms with the official plan and complies to the general intent and 108 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:13,440 purpose of the zoning bylaw. Given this, the proposal is recommended for 109 00:12:11,839 --> 00:12:18,880 approval. >> Okay. Thank you. Any questions? 110 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:22,560 Is there a uh agent or applicant anything to add? 111 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:27,880 » Nothing to add. Is there anyone present that wishes to 112 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,880 speak to this application? 113 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:35,000 » No. Have a recommendation for approval. Move or seconder. Linda Lisa. 114 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:45,480 All in favor? Thank you. Carries. 115 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:58,800 and PL 2026107 and the planner can give the report 116 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,440 please. >> Thank you. Through the chair, an 117 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:05,600 application has been received seeking relief of 10 meters from the required 118 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:09,200 front yard setback of 13 m to permit a front yard setback of 3 meters for an 119 00:13:07,680 --> 00:13:13,519 accessory building in the agricultural zone. The subject lands are located at 120 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:17,760 1589 Thompson Road East between Villanova Road and County Line in the 121 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:20,959 geographic township of Townsend. The area of the subject lands is 122 00:13:18,959 --> 00:13:25,200 approximately 46 hectares with approximately 67 m of frontage on the 123 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:28,880 north side of Thompson Road East. Subject lands are occupied by a single 124 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:32,639 detached dwelling, pool, and accessory buildings. The proposed garage would be 125 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:36,320 deficient in the required front yard setback, requesting relief of 10 meters 126 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:40,560 from the required front yard setback of 13 meters to permit a front yard setback 127 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:44,079 of 3 m in the A zone. Although an accessory building is permitted within a 128 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:47,519 front yard in the A zone, it is not permitted within the required front yard 129 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:51,040 setback. In this case, the proposed garage is located well within the 130 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:54,880 required front yard setback. The intent of the front yard setback for accessory 131 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:58,399 buildings is to promote and ma maintain street appearances, safety between 132 00:13:56,560 --> 00:14:01,680 buildings and the roadway and ensure that the accessory building remains 133 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:04,959 accessory to the primary use of the property. In this case, the single 134 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:08,720 detached dwelling on the property is considered to be the primary use. The 135 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:12,160 dwelling is located at adequate distance from the front property line and 136 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:16,160 maintains the zoning bylaw provision. However, the construction of the 137 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:19,519 proposed garage with a proposed 3meter setback from the front property line 138 00:14:17,839 --> 00:14:23,680 would not have the appearance of being secondary or accessory to the main use. 139 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:27,279 The proposed garage could cause a disruption to the overall street 140 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:30,800 appearance and character of the area by being located significantly closer to 141 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:34,320 the road than the main dwelling. The garage is also proposed to be located at 142 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:38,240 top a steep front ditch in close proximity to existing above ground 143 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:41,760 electrical conductors as noted by the building department. Overall, it is the 144 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:45,120 professional opinion of planning staff that the proposal does not comply to the 145 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:48,800 general intent and purpose of the zoning bylaw, is not considered to be desirable 146 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:52,079 for the appropriate development of the lands, and is not considered to be 147 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:56,480 minor, and therefore does not meet the four tests of a minor variance. This 148 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:59,760 proposal is recommended for refusal. >> Okay. Thank you. Any questions of the 149 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:04,320 committee? Is there an agent or applicant present? 150 00:15:02,079 --> 00:15:05,519 Yes. Do you have anything to add? I'm sorry. 151 00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:10,079 » Yes, please. >> Up to the podium, please state your 152 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,079 name. 153 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:25,199 That's on. Um, afternoon. Uh, my name is AJ Vanbero. Uh, acting agent on behalf 154 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:31,279 of, um, Darren and Amy Vanderuin. Uh, yes. Seeking relief of 10 m, uh, from 155 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:37,600 the required front yard setback of 13 m to permit a front yard setback of 3 m 156 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:42,240 for proposed uh, accessory building. Uh I just wanted the opportunity to explain 157 00:15:40,399 --> 00:15:48,240 the circumstances of the property before a decision is made. Um the intent is not 158 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:52,720 to circumvent the zoning requirements uh but rather to find the most practical 159 00:15:50,079 --> 00:15:57,839 location for the proposed building while working within the unique constraints um 160 00:15:55,279 --> 00:16:02,639 of their property. Uh the property is somewhat unusual and that the existing 161 00:15:59,519 --> 00:16:08,399 home, driveway, well, septic system and tile bed and poor all situated in a way 162 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:12,639 that s uh significantly uh limits the suitable locations for an accessory 163 00:16:10,079 --> 00:16:17,519 building. Um the proposed location provides the most pract uh practical 164 00:16:14,959 --> 00:16:21,839 access. It allows us to come directly off the existing driveway and straight 165 00:16:19,759 --> 00:16:26,079 into the new building uh without requiring an additional driveway or 166 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:30,240 entrance. Um, if the building were moved further back in line with the home, it 167 00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:35,839 would begin to conflict with the existing well, septic system, and tile 168 00:16:33,199 --> 00:16:39,600 bed. Uh, to avoid these services, uh, the building would likely have to be 169 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:44,320 moved into the far northwest portion of the property. That location would create 170 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:48,639 additional difficulties in accessing the building and extending services to it, 171 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:53,279 uh, while also having to work around the existing well, septic, and tile bed, and 172 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:57,920 of course, the pool area. Uh we understand that the request relief may 173 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:02,959 initially appear to place the accessory building quite close to the road. Uh 174 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:07,439 however uh another unique circumstance or u characteristic sorry of this 175 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:12,160 property is its elevation relative to Thompson Road. Uh the property sits 176 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:15,919 considerably higher than the roadway and even with the proposed setback the 177 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:20,640 building would still be approximately 12 m from the edge of the road. Um, there 178 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:25,120 are also a number of properties just to the west within the hamlet of Villanova 179 00:17:22,959 --> 00:17:29,200 where existing homes are approximately 8 mters or less from the road. For that 180 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:34,000 reason, we do not believe the proposed location will be out of character with 181 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:37,919 the surrounding area. We also not we also do not anticipate the proposed 182 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:42,720 location having any negative impact on neighboring properties. It will not 183 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:47,039 create any additional traffic or require a new entrance. Uh we do not expect it 184 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:51,120 to create concerns with drainage, sight lines or privacy. There will be no 185 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:54,960 secondary entrance created from Thompson Road. Access of the build u the 186 00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:59,280 accessory building will remain entirely from the existing driveway. Ultimately, 187 00:17:57,679 --> 00:18:04,640 we believe the location provides the best balance between accessibility, the 188 00:18:01,919 --> 00:18:09,520 existing services and features of on the property and minimizing any impact on 189 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:13,280 the surrounding area. Given the unique characteristics of the property, we feel 190 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:17,280 request the requested variance is reasonable and will allow the property 191 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:21,120 be to be used appropriately without negatively affecting neighboring 192 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:25,200 properties or the character of the area. Uh we respectfully ask committee to 193 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:29,520 consider uh these sight specific circumstances and approve the request 194 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:34,480 minor variance. I appreciate your time and consideration. 195 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:39,200 » Okay. Thank you. Any questions? Okay. Thank you. 196 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:43,679 Oh, okay. Hey Joe, question. Turn the mic on. 197 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:52,320 » The uh proposed location, is that the minimum setback from the the septic bed? 198 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:55,840 » Uh it's supposed to >> close to as in 199 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:59,440 » 5 meters, 2 meters, >> within a couple meters. Yes. 200 00:18:57,039 --> 00:19:04,160 » Okay. >> Okay. Anything else? Any questions? 201 00:19:01,679 --> 00:19:09,640 Okay. Okay. Thanks. Is there anyone wishes? Is there anyone present that 202 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,640 wishes to speak to this application? 203 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:20,000 Hearing none, we have a recommendation for refusal. Can I get uh a re that 204 00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:24,160 motion or an alternative? Linda, >> I'll move to approve. 205 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:28,480 » Okay. Councelor Vampassen. >> Yeah, I will second that motion to 206 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:33,840 approve it. Uh I went out and looked at it and came to the same conclusion that 207 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:38,080 the uh agent did that it's not out of place. The fact that it's up on that 208 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:42,640 hill actually makes it look I think it's going to look nice up there, not look 209 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:46,000 bad. And yeah, Villanov like >> Villan Nova's half kilometer down the 210 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:50,000 road and I think there's actually some houses there that are encroaching on the 211 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:54,000 road allowance, but uh so I think it does meet the the four tests of a minor 212 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:58,000 variance and be happy to support the motion to approve it. So 213 00:19:55,360 --> 00:20:05,039 » all right, thank you. Anybody else? Okay. And PL 2026 107 motion to approve. 214 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:08,720 All in favor against. 215 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:12,280 Okay. And that's carried. 216 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:31,840 Okay. Next up is NP BNPL 2026043 and the planner can give the report 217 00:20:31,039 --> 00:20:35,520 please. >> Uh thank you. An application has been 218 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:42,720 received to sever a parcel of land having a frontage of 40.51 m a depth of 219 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:46,960 49.28 28 m and an area of approximately 1,977 220 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:53,280 square meters and a retained parcel with an area of approximately two 27,113.5 221 00:20:51,679 --> 00:20:57,840 square meters in the hamlet of Walsingham. 222 00:20:55,039 --> 00:21:03,600 The subject lands are located at 2063 Main Street in Walsingham. The proposed 223 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:09,120 severed land contains a dwelling unit, well, septic and weeping bed. The 224 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:13,360 severed lands contain a shop, various buildings which are utilized for 225 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:19,600 personal storage with the remaining being vacant. Planning staff's opinion 226 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:24,960 that this pro proposal uh be recommended for refusal. The application is 227 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:28,960 consistent with the planning act uh but is not consistent with the provincial 228 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:35,200 planning statement uh does not conform to the policies of the official 229 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:39,520 plan and zoning bylaw. The consent application proposes to sever the 230 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:44,240 industrial buildings associated with the former family construction uh Muscle 231 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:49,600 Trucking Limited from the existing residential dwellings of the subject 232 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:55,120 property. The industrial operation uh coexisted as an owner operated lot with 233 00:21:52,960 --> 00:22:00,159 an on-site residential dwelling in the Hamlet uh residential zone for many 234 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:05,760 years. The consent application proposes to create a separate and sailable lot 235 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:10,640 with a principal residential land use in the Hamlet residential zone. The 236 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:15,280 proposed interface between the prop the principal industrial parcel and the 237 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:20,880 newly created residential lot has the potential to introduce uh incompatible 238 00:22:17,679 --> 00:22:25,600 land uses and potential adverse impacts for future purchasers. The land use 239 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:32,000 compatibility has not been adequately assessed with the submission of 240 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:37,120 supporting technical studies including a planning justification report, a land 241 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:41,760 use compatibility component and/or a separate land use compatibility study, 242 00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:47,440 phase one environmental assessment at minimum and a hydro uh geological study. 243 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:51,919 the existing purpose-built industrial buildings with uh large bay doors 244 00:22:50,159 --> 00:22:56,559 currently being used by the owner for personal storage. However, staff notes 245 00:22:54,240 --> 00:23:02,159 that personal storage is not a defined use under the zoning bylaw and would be 246 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:07,520 considered uh ancillary to a permitted uh primary use. Further, the subject 247 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:12,000 lands would require a resoning by a reszoning with a zoning bylaw amendment 248 00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:17,120 to address the sight specific requirements of the proposal and of the 249 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:20,840 current agricultural zoning on the portion of the lands. 250 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:28,159 Uh therefore, uh planning staff is recommending refusal of the severance 251 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:36,320 application. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. Any questions? 252 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:40,320 Is there an agent or applicant present? Yes, sir. Anything to add? Looks like 253 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,440 you do. >> Answer any questions 254 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:49,200 that you may have? >> Turn the mic on on the right button. 255 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:54,960 » And state your name. Gary Muscle. >> Okay. Um, I applied for this back in 256 00:23:52,159 --> 00:24:00,000 February. I was brought before your committee or your planning department. I 257 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:05,120 was told way to do it. I went through the whole process. I had a planning 258 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:09,440 thing coming before use on May 20th, I believe it is. I have all of it here if 259 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:14,240 you want to know exactly. And at uh the time of it, I was called in by the 260 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:18,080 planning department again. And this one of the planners told me not to do it the 261 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:21,520 way it was supposed to be or not the way the other person had told me to switch 262 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:25,840 it over and do the house only, which I wanted to do in the first place. 263 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,960 Everything was a go until I found out Monday morning that the planning 264 00:24:27,679 --> 00:24:32,400 department had changed their mind, changed everything totally. None of this 265 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:37,120 stuff that we're hearing right now was ever brought to me. Never once. Because 266 00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:41,200 from the day I walked into that planning department, I said, "What do I need to 267 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:46,240 do? You're the expert. I'm just a guy once. I lost my wife. I want to sell my 268 00:24:43,679 --> 00:24:50,240 house and move on." They told me what to do. I followed every step. When the 269 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:54,159 person said, "You need a survey." I run and got a survey. That survey is no good 270 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:57,919 no more. We need another one. I went and got a survey. I brought it back. You 271 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:01,760 need a tile bed inspection. I went and got a tile bed inspection. I followed 272 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:05,840 every procedure your planning department told me. Not once did they mention any 273 00:25:04,159 --> 00:25:09,120 of the stuff you're bringing up tonight. >> Okay. 274 00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:14,320 » All gas planning stuff. >> And the simple thing of it is I have a 275 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:18,559 house, three buildings. Five or six years ago before my wife 276 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:22,559 passed, we ended up taking the trucking business, closing it down. We knew that 277 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:26,559 things were going to change. I have another yard down the road where most of 278 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:31,279 the trucks have been for the last 15 years. This place was never industrial. 279 00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:38,320 I keep hearing that word industrial. Never. It was never commercial. Only 280 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:41,279 thing was ever done in 200 2020 something. I forget the date exactly. I 281 00:25:39,919 --> 00:25:46,320 have it in here if you want to know. I can look it up. But I had to put a a a 282 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:51,520 special Pacific site thing for a contractor's yard. Cost me about $5,000 283 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:55,760 to get it put on. Then when I quit the business, I had to remove it. Cost me 284 00:25:53,039 --> 00:26:00,799 another 6,000 to remove it. I've got it removed. I'm back to residential land. 285 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:04,240 I'm using it as a house and three shops. I got some cars. I got my tractors. I 286 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:08,080 got my some discs. I got a little bit of everything in all my buildings. 287 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:11,440 » All I want to do is severance my house off which is in the hamlet and sell it. 288 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,120 Keep the remaining land. >> Okay. 289 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,440 » The land's not going to change a bit that's remaining. 290 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:18,440 » I'm going to ask planning staff to respond 291 00:26:21,919 --> 00:26:31,520 » through the chair. Um so there it is to my knowledge that there 292 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:35,039 is a history on this site. I have kind of come into the review of the 293 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:41,200 application. Um as you can see by the report what is 294 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:47,120 being raised here comes down to being able to evaluate the technical 295 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:52,960 feasibility. Um, at the end of the day, the consent application is introducing a 296 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:58,320 future residential lot that would be a standalone lot and then the proposal 297 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:03,440 would be for an additional lot with the land use to 298 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:07,360 be determined. It is our understanding that it's being used for personal 299 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:11,360 storage at this time. However, it was used as a trucking operation in the 300 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:15,440 past. There are large industrial buildings that are located on the 301 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:20,320 subject property. um looking through the policy framework um there is the 302 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:24,799 possibility and potential for incompatibility between those land uses 303 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:29,919 and the policy framework speaks to that. So as I mentioned this comes down to the 304 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:34,240 technical evaluation and ultimately it will be the findings and recommendations 305 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:40,000 of the studies that would allow planners to look at that recommendation as it 306 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:44,080 sits now. Um it is a recommendation for refusal, but as we've mentioned, there 307 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,760 would be a zoning bylaw amendment that would be required. Um and as we 308 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:51,039 mentioned, there's other technical studies to make sure that there's 309 00:27:49,039 --> 00:27:54,880 potable water for the proposed residential lot. That would be through 310 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:58,320 the hydro geological study that is required and to make sure that there's 311 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:02,080 no contaminants that may have leeched onto the property and what that means 312 00:28:00,159 --> 00:28:07,039 for the quality of water to be at a potable standard. 313 00:28:03,919 --> 00:28:10,799 » Okay. Thank you. Can I answer to that? 314 00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:14,240 » Yep. First of all, there is no industrial buildings. Well, 315 00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:19,840 » the buildings were used for trucks. I agree. Years ago, I've been living there 316 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:25,520 since 1987. It was a farm when I bought it. I bought 6 acres of farmland. I 317 00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:29,200 built a house and a shop and then I put on accessories. I've followed every rule 318 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:33,440 there was all the way to now. There has been no contamination. I've been the one 319 00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:38,000 that's took care of my yard. It's my yard. I live in the house beside it. The 320 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:43,679 well is there. I drink the water every day. I certainly don't look like I'm 321 00:28:39,919 --> 00:28:47,279 dying. I hope not anyway, you know. So, I mean, all you're going to do is more 322 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:52,880 cost. And this has been going on since February. Nobody said a word, one word 323 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:57,200 about don't do this. It was when I walked in to meet the planners. I said, 324 00:28:54,880 --> 00:29:01,919 "What do I have to do?" And no one ever said anything about a study. No one. All 325 00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:06,880 you got to do, Gary, is this. Pay the money. Pay the money. pay the money. 326 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:11,440 I've had two severances because of each one changing. Do you guys not have the 327 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:15,120 same rules? One tells you to do it this way. The other one tells me to change it 328 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:17,440 and do it that way. Please, somebody help me in the guidance here. Like, what 329 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:22,159 can I tell you? >> Let me see if the committee has any 330 00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:26,799 questions. Linda, >> I just have a question for planning 331 00:29:23,919 --> 00:29:32,679 staff. Why would the special provision be required to be removed just because 332 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,679 he closed the business? 333 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:41,600 through the chair. Uh I can't speak to the removal of this special provision. 334 00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:47,440 As it stands right now, we have current zoning in place. Um and if this was done 335 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:52,000 with a new zoning bylaw and the previous provision no longer was pulled forward, 336 00:29:49,919 --> 00:29:57,840 that's a question. We can look into the history of this. I do feel that there is 337 00:29:53,919 --> 00:30:02,320 a path forward here and um we we do want to help you get there and I apologize 338 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:07,919 for any history. Again, I've come into this late. I've started with the county 339 00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:12,960 more recently and I have been now involved with this file and reviewing 340 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:17,679 it. I do want to help you get there. Um, when we look at the policy framework and 341 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:21,279 what planning staff is looking at, that is what's shaping that recommendation 342 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:25,120 and the request for those technical studies. Those are provincial 343 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:28,000 requirements. And so, as it funnels down through our planning instruments like 344 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:33,039 the official plan, through the zoning bylaw, we have to comment on those. And 345 00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:37,120 the idea is to ensure that there is safety to the public health and to make 346 00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:42,080 sure that if we allowed for a consent application and a recommendation of 347 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:45,760 approval that that lot can sustain itself and that's why we're talking 348 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:49,600 about the plottable water etc. and to make sure that there's no conflict 349 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:53,039 between the surrounding land use and the proposed sensitive land use. 350 00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:55,039 » Well, they're not. They're both uh they're both residential. 351 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,279 » Okay. >> You know what I mean? And as far as the 352 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:03,279 part that's bothering me is she's telling me now she's new into this, but 353 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:07,279 I'm telling you I've met three other planners that have told me three 354 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,919 different ways. Do you not all go to the same school? 355 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,039 » Okay. >> Ask the committee member to continue, 356 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:19,360 Linda. >> Okay. So, I'm looking at the map that's 357 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:25,320 the zoning map that's attached to the uh report and it's showing uh 33-Z-2022. 358 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:33,679 So, I'm assuming that's the special provision that permits the contractor 359 00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:39,039 yard. Um, although it wasn't identified in the report 360 00:31:36,399 --> 00:31:42,480 that I recall. Um, 361 00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:44,480 so it's still on the property. Is that correct? 362 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:49,120 » No. >> Through the chair. Um, we would have to 363 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:52,640 look at the details. I understand we're hearing it's been removed, etc. if 364 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:59,840 there's a new zoning bylaw that came into effect that previous zoning um if I 365 00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:04,720 I I believe that it was for 195 square meters to recognize an existing building 366 00:32:01,919 --> 00:32:09,279 one building on the subject property um to allow for and permit the contractor's 367 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:14,799 yard. >> Okay. Anybody else? Oh, sorry, Linda. Go 368 00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:20,159 ahead. So if it's permitting the contractor's yard and the severance is 369 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:25,880 approved, the remaining property is still permitted to operate as a 370 00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:25,880 contractor's yard. Is that correct? 371 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:35,840 So this is going to be um probably a lengthy answer, but there are a lot of 372 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:39,760 details into that because now you have sort of the ceasing of an operation and 373 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:43,919 planning. We have to look at all of those things. How long has the business 374 00:32:41,679 --> 00:32:47,919 been ceased? What has gone in after that use? And so there are all these details 375 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:52,559 we would look into and again following the history of the site specific. But 376 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:57,679 that is to recognize one building on the subject property. Um so the Hamlet 377 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:05,120 residential just to give kind of an overview did allow for home industry um 378 00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:08,720 which was you know part and parcel with the residential. It was sort of 379 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:12,159 accessory to ancillary 2 and it allowed you to live in the dwelling and then 380 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:17,360 operate a small sort of business enterprise. And so that that is a 381 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:22,480 permission that's there. But what has come into play right now is the consent 382 00:33:19,919 --> 00:33:26,799 application. And the consent application is a new planning act application and we 383 00:33:24,399 --> 00:33:30,880 have to review it for conformity with the planning framework and that's where 384 00:33:28,399 --> 00:33:37,039 it actually changes. >> Okay. Thank you. 385 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:41,240 » Okay. It's am I correct in assuming that zoning goes with the land 386 00:33:41,679 --> 00:33:49,440 through the chair? The the lands are zoned. So we do have zoning. So that's 387 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:53,360 why we've kind of included that in here. But it it sounds as though we're 388 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:56,799 discussing sort of past site specific for the one building on the subject 389 00:33:55,039 --> 00:34:03,279 lands. >> Okay. 390 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,720 More Linda. Well, the zoning appears to be in place. 391 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,840 » Okay. >> And I don't consider it passed. It's 392 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,520 there. >> So, that's just my opinion and 393 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:18,240 interpretation. >> Um, and just a comment too that if this 394 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:27,599 applicant is just hearing about these issues on Monday, if that's correct, 395 00:34:21,839 --> 00:34:32,240 that um I question the customer service in that application. 396 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:37,200 » Okay. Councelor Van Passen. >> Yes. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. Um, yeah, 397 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:41,760 this is a a bit of a complicated property. Um, but you know, I've lived 398 00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:45,520 around here a long time and it's always been a contractor's yard for as long as 399 00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:49,839 I can remember. So, like something to do with legal non-conforming that I don't 400 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:54,480 know why we'd have to change that. But, um, and it did have I looked at my old 401 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:59,440 maps, it did have one of the the section 14 things that that's what allowed the 402 00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:02,880 contractor's yard. Uh whether that's still a valid or not or whether that's 403 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:11,119 the one that got pulled, I don't know. But um my question is is how do we 404 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:16,960 » how do we resolve this? Um part of the property is zoned as agricultural, part 405 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:21,920 of it is zoned as Hamlet residential. The Hamlet residential, somebody 406 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:26,160 arbitrarily drew a line on a map at some point in our official plans and our 407 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:29,839 zoning bylaws and just drew the line. There's no studies, no backgrounds, no 408 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:34,240 anything. Just here's the line where it is. They probably didn't even ask the uh 409 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:40,400 the owners whether they wanted it there. But is it possible to just move the line 410 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:44,000 between the Hamlet residential and agriculture? Because if the propertyy's 411 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:49,520 owned agriculture, it can have those buildings on it as they are and don't 412 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:55,359 need anything beyond that. So is it possible to uh approve the severance 413 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:59,760 application and put in a condition that they that you move the line and uh 414 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,599 include the buildings as part of the agricultural land which it probably was 415 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:09,359 at some point or when it was purchased it was that way. Is that a possible 416 00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:14,560 option here >> through the chair? So when it comes down 417 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:18,640 to the Hamlet boundary our our policies are clear that they are fixed. It's 418 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:23,280 considered settlement area. So that is more complicated, but there are and and 419 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:27,920 I've said this, I think there is a path forward. It's just it's about sitting 420 00:36:25,359 --> 00:36:32,880 down and kind of understanding what it is that we're looking to get to and does 421 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:37,839 that mean we do have the situation where we have a designation that is Hamlet and 422 00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:42,480 we have some agricultural zoning. So we would look to remedy that as well. But 423 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:46,960 there are a number of moving pieces to this application and it hasn't been 424 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:51,280 straightforward. But we do want to make sure we can get to a good place. 425 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:56,720 » Okay. I I see. I don't see that many moving pieces. There's a house there. If 426 00:36:53,520 --> 00:37:00,960 it's severed and you sell it to somebody and they buy a house that is next door 427 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:04,400 to a contractor's yard, don't come to me later and complain cuz there's trucks 428 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:09,839 driving in at 6:00 in the morning cuz I bought a house next to a contractor's 429 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:13,760 yard. You can't uh you can't uh put the blame to somebody else after the fact. 430 00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:18,400 So, and they live there. The water, the sewer, it's there. It's been checked. Uh 431 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:22,320 why do we have to do a hydraologic study to see if that water is actually there 432 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:29,040 or not? I can't understand why we would need that. Um we moved the line that was 433 00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:33,520 arbitrarily put there in 2014 when we did our zoning bylaw. They just put the 434 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,040 line there. Now it's included as a hamlet 435 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:40,800 and that's fixed now because that was approved in 2014. That doesn't mean it's 436 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,800 right. That just means that's where they put it in 2014 and that's where they 437 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:50,480 drew the line on the map. So, let's just move that line to only be around where 438 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:54,480 the new severed parcel is going to be and leave the rest agriculture like it 439 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:58,400 used to be and all the problems are gone. We don't need any studies for 440 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:03,440 that. We don't need uh anything beyond an eraser and a new pen. So, like why 441 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:08,880 are we making it more complicated than we have to? 442 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:12,200 » Is there Okay, there's the question. Carry on. 443 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:21,599 I I wish I could answer that that to understand why it is as complicated as 444 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:26,160 we're saying it is. This is provincial policy and so it trickles down into our 445 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:30,880 OP. It trickles down into our zoning. So we do have to review it. We do have to 446 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:36,000 work within the framework that that is where planning sits is we review it. We 447 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:39,599 provide the comments. What we can do to work through that is make sure that we 448 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:45,280 can mitigate any conflict or compatibility issues and that would come 449 00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:49,920 out in the studies. So ultimately what we're saying here is if if we want to 450 00:38:47,839 --> 00:38:53,920 move forward it is about doing the technical studies to get there and if 451 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:57,599 there's another option then we can definitely look at that but the 452 00:38:55,359 --> 00:39:02,880 application itself was for this proposal. So I I think there's 453 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:08,400 opportunity to have conversation around options and then figure it out. 454 00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:13,040 » Okay. Thank you. I'm going to go down to the end of the table to Adam first. 455 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:16,000 » Thanks chair. Uh three to Morgan there. So you've mentioned I think three at 456 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:21,200 least three times that there's a path forward. I'd like to hear more about 457 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:25,280 that and specifically um if you could give us a sense of what the timeline's 458 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:29,920 going to be for for Gary or Mr. Moss, which whichever you prefer. Uh, and also 459 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,280 what other costs are we going to have to ask him to sink into this? Because if 460 00:39:31,359 --> 00:39:36,240 he's already got costs into it, I'm a bit concerned about a way forward that's 461 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,200 going to keep piling that on. So maybe you can say that, maybe you can't. I 462 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:43,520 don't know. But those are my concerns here cuz yeah, we can workshop it at the 463 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:46,320 table all night and we're still going to get probably the same answer, which is 464 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:52,520 fair enough that it's policy. We have to sort it out. I get all that. So what is 465 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,520 the way forward 466 00:39:53,359 --> 00:40:02,960 » through the chair? Um, I I think the way forward is trying to maybe get down into 467 00:40:01,359 --> 00:40:07,280 what it is that we want to see out of this. As we mentioned, the buildings are 468 00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:11,599 being used for personal storage right now. We don't have a definition for 469 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:15,440 personal storage. Is that the intended use? Is there some other intended use? 470 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:22,720 What can we do to kind of work with because studies will be dependent on 471 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:26,640 what the uses are? So um as I'm saying we're looking at the technical studies 472 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:30,560 but the question becomes if the use changes if we're looking at it um from a 473 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:35,680 different perspective are those studies still required so when we start talking 474 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:41,760 about costs and time etc some of this has to do with what applications we need 475 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:46,400 what studies we need a green light that's not good oh there's 476 00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:51,280 red now so um understood I suppose my question then 477 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:56,000 still is what are we talking about for time? I mean, if he's Gary's been trying 478 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:58,319 to do this since you said February, >> February. 479 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:01,040 » Are we talking another year from today or can we get him in for a meeting next 480 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:04,960 week and start on this? Like, that's where I'm trying to narrow this down 481 00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:08,240 because if this is a deferral or a referral or whatever and we can avoid 482 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,920 the refusal so he doesn't start all over again, that's a different conversation. 483 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:17,119 So, let's have that conversation like how do we get this to where it needs to 484 00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:20,880 be as per what you're suggesting >> through the chair. I think the starting 485 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:24,800 point is a pre-conultation meeting to sit down and we can get him on the 486 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:28,880 schedule for pre-conultation, get out all the departments involved and so that 487 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:32,480 they can comment on the application. We can kind of work through it, negotiate 488 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:36,079 through what it is that he's looking to do and how we can get there, what study 489 00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:39,280 would be required, etc. >> Okay, one more time. 490 00:41:37,359 --> 00:41:41,119 » One more and then I got I'm going to move on to 491 00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:45,359 » Okay, I understand, but I want clarification. Do we have to reject this 492 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:49,440 today? refuse it today or can we do a deferral or referral and stop him from 493 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:53,040 having to start over again? Can we work with what's here or does it is it the 494 00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:58,119 only option a wash where it's going to cost them all that money all over again? 495 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,119 That's what I'm trying to get at. 496 00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:04,240 So if this is something that we are looking to defer and that's up to the 497 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:09,599 committee um so that a pre-conultation meeting 498 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:13,839 could be um scheduled and conversation could take place with all the relevant 499 00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:19,680 departments then perhaps the deferral is the way to go as it stands right now in 500 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:23,599 the absence of the technical studies staff's position remains a refusal. I 501 00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:25,599 understand. >> Okay. 502 00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:30,599 » Thank you. >> Okay. I'm just going to go to Peter 503 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,599 quickly. Peter. 504 00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:38,880 » Is he not on? >> Who's Peter? 505 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:42,079 » No, he's one of our members, but he's online. 506 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:46,040 » Oh, sorry. >> Okay. Peter. 507 00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:59,280 » Okay, Blinda. Um 508 00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:07,440 so question for planning staff if um a zoning bylaw amendment application would 509 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:14,560 allow to have that um boundary moved for the um Hamlet boundary is that the 510 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:19,920 process of zoning bylaw amendment. So the zoning bylaw amendment would be 511 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:24,960 for the use establishing what the use is and then what studies would be required. 512 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,640 That would be for the zoning bylaw amendment. 513 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:33,520 » Would it not would you not apply for a zoning bylaw amendment to change the 514 00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:38,720 zoning on it as well? So it's entirely agricultural rather than Hamlet. 515 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:42,560 » So we would have to look at the OP designation and if it's Hamlet then that 516 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:47,760 is sort of the issue. So, we're looking at kind of tiered policy documents. What 517 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:50,880 is the designation? And then do those policies support what the proposed 518 00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:56,880 zoning is. >> So, a zoning a an official plan and 519 00:43:54,160 --> 00:44:01,680 zoning bylaw amendment would be required to move them to change that. Is that 520 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:06,079 correct? >> So, I can't answer that question right 521 00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:10,960 now without going into the details of the policy to see what we're looking at. 522 00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:14,560 But partly the designation is Hamlet and the agricultural zone is actually 523 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:20,880 there's a there's a rounded sort of portion of agricultural zoned lands in 524 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,400 the hamlet designation. >> Okay. 525 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:28,839 » Okay. >> Just I'm going to go to Peter now. It's 526 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,839 back online. Go ahead, Peter. 527 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,680 » You're muted. 528 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:43,240 Peter, you need to turn your microphone up louder. 529 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,200 Now you're on mute. 530 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,440 We can't hear you. 531 00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:07,119 Okay, try now. 532 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,280 No. 533 00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:22,560 Okay. Well, >> you can type in the question in the chat 534 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:29,240 if you like or else we can just move on. >> Talking to me or Peter? 535 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:29,240 » I'm talking to Peter over your shoulder. 536 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:40,359 I'll give it just a minute and see what he comes up with. 537 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:58,400 » In the meantime, yeah, Joe has a question. 538 00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:02,480 So when we're talking about uh zoning changes, we need a justification report 539 00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:07,760 to understand what the land use is going to be to understand what amendments are 540 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:11,720 required, an op amendment or just a zoning amendment. Is that correct 541 00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:18,800 » through the chair? Yeah. So ultimately the planning justification report is 542 00:46:16,319 --> 00:46:23,839 going to support whatever application is being brought forward. So if it's a 543 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:30,800 zoning bylaw amendment, it would speak to that amend what that proposed use is 544 00:46:27,359 --> 00:46:34,400 and have a rationale and whatever technical studies are required. They 545 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:38,319 could come separately. Some of them could form a portion of the planning 546 00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:42,800 justification report, but we would kind of work through what those are and try 547 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:47,440 to scope them accordingly and just to make sure that it's it's a very kind of 548 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:53,520 clear and smooth process. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay, one more and then 549 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:56,319 we're going to sorry. Um, so understanding what the usages are going 550 00:46:54,880 --> 00:47:02,680 to be are going to help you scope on what studies are going to be required. 551 00:46:57,839 --> 00:47:02,680 Correct. Yes. Okay. 552 00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:13,760 » That's it. That's not a question really. Linda, 553 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:17,920 » uh, are when you're ready to call for recommendation. 554 00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:21,520 » Okay. Well, councelor Vamp just >> Yes. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. Um, one of 555 00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:26,240 the other things I don't get in this report that half dozen times it talks 556 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:30,880 about the buildings are being used for storage of personal items. Um, I don't 557 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:35,680 know what bearing that has on it. You know, like their barns are full of 558 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:39,760 stuff. If you no, if you sell the place and move, you're going to take your 559 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:44,000 stuff with you. So the whether we have a definition in our zoning bylaw of 560 00:47:42,319 --> 00:47:47,359 specifically a building to store personal items, I think that's sort of 561 00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:52,480 like a red herring in the whole report and you know gets brought up so many 562 00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:56,800 times, but it's we're dealing with a bunch of barns on what should be 563 00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:59,920 agricultural land and there happens to be stuff in it right now that's probably 564 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:04,240 going to get moved out of there when they're done looking after the 565 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:08,480 buildings, right? So why bring that up as an important point when it's got 566 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:14,079 nothing to do with the planning issue involved? I I don't understand that. 567 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:19,520 » That's the question. >> Yeah. Like why is it so important that 568 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:23,359 there's personal items in a barn on a piece of land in Norfolk County? Like 569 00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:29,440 I've got some stuff in my barn, too. >> Okay. Let's uh have the planning staff 570 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:34,880 um briefly comment and then we'll continue along. We'll get to you 571 00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:38,240 » through the chair. So, often times you have a house and you have other 572 00:48:36,319 --> 00:48:42,559 accessory buildings and you may use those accessory buildings to store 573 00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:46,960 personal items and and that would be fine. In this case, what's being 574 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:51,280 proposed is a severance of the dwelling from those buildings. So now they would 575 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:55,119 be standalone buildings. So we would have to know what the use is and 576 00:48:52,800 --> 00:49:02,640 personal storage is understood to be accessory or ancillary to a use. So 577 00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:07,359 the property can be bought and sold and those buildings would be there. So the 578 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:12,480 idea being what is the use of those buildings. So planning is looking at it 579 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:16,720 not as what is the activity of storing personal items but what is the use and 580 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:20,800 as long as it's accessory to the dwelling which is a residential use then 581 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:26,400 it's fine. You're using the buildings to store you know household products or 582 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:31,920 whatever the case may be. It's when you are coming in with an application to 583 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:36,079 sever to create a standalone residential lot and then a separate lot that has the 584 00:49:34,319 --> 00:49:41,440 buildings. >> Isn't that the whole crux of the 585 00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:44,720 situation? Um, right now everything is legal because you have a dwelling unit 586 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:50,640 and you have accessory buildings with the dwelling unit. If you were to sever 587 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:54,960 the dwelling unit off, you the rules say you can't establish the accessory uses 588 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:58,319 until the primary use is there. So, you can't have a standalone garage on a 589 00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:06,160 property unless you build the house first in a Hamlet residential zone, but 590 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:10,880 you are allowed to do that in a Hamlet commercial zone or an agricultural zone. 591 00:50:08,319 --> 00:50:15,119 You can have a agricultural land and just build a barn. You don't need the 592 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:19,520 house there first. But by severing this house off of here, now you have 593 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:24,480 accessory buildings without the primary in place. So again, the simple solution 594 00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:29,520 is just move the line and extend it as 595 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:34,240 agricultural land or you could apply you know maybe this is a good option too 596 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:38,480 apply to reszone the retained portion into Hamlet commercial that would work 597 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:43,839 as well you are allowed to establish the uh the accessory use without the primary 598 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:51,119 so either one of those options so again why can't we approve it conditional on 599 00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:54,880 uh a reasonzoning being done you've got two years to get the separate paperwork 600 00:50:52,800 --> 00:51:01,760 done you've in that time you go and apply to reszone it into either the 601 00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:06,520 Hamlet commercial or extend the move the agricultural boundary. Why can't we do 602 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,520 that 603 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:14,880 through the chair? So part of the issue as we've kind of talked about is it's 604 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:20,640 Hamlet residential. So if we were looking to reszone it for commercial or 605 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:24,559 whatever the use it would be a reszoning application. So that's what we're 606 00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:28,319 saying. There are options, but we have to kind of sit down and sus out what it 607 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:33,040 is going to be and what you want to do with it so that we can then determine 608 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:38,079 what applications and then corresponding studies you would require. 609 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:41,599 » Time we approve it conditional on the appropriate zoning application, the 610 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:45,359 appropriate minor variant, whatever the case may be. And that becomes a 611 00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:48,960 condition. You can't get the final paperwork done on the severance till you 612 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:52,559 get that other part of the puzzle done. So, why couldn't we approve the 613 00:51:50,319 --> 00:51:55,520 severance tonight with a adding a condition that the required zoning 614 00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:58,400 amendment be approved? >> I'm just going to step in. I think she's 615 00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:03,280 answered that a couple of times in in a couple of different ways and and we'll 616 00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:08,480 just leave it at that and >> well, 617 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:12,000 okay, let's move along. Peter typed in his uh comments and questions and I'll 618 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:17,280 make a note of that. But I just want to continue on with her. I'll give Mr. 619 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:21,359 Muscle briefly a one more stab at it. Just okay, one more thing. First of all, 620 00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:23,680 like I said, it's been 7 months. >> Okay. 621 00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:26,960 » You know, why has none of this been brought up for 7 months? When they said 622 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:30,160 go get a severance, I went and got it. You know, I've told you that every And I 623 00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:34,160 was in there saying, what do I do? What do you want me to do? It wasn't what I 624 00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:38,720 was wanting to do. What do you want? Three different planners. Now, we have a 625 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:42,480 new lady that apparently just came here and the whole world changed Monday 626 00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:44,480 morning. What happened? >> Okay, that's 627 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:47,119 » What happened to Everything's perfect, Gary. Don't worry about it. Don't even 628 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:50,720 have to show up if you don't want to. >> Okay. Well, take a note of that. I got 629 00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:55,200 to go through the whole procedure. >> It's just a severance of a of a house 630 00:52:53,040 --> 00:53:00,720 that I don't want to live in anymore. It's on a residential lot. The remaining 631 00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:03,680 can go back to farmland. If you tell me you want cows put in those buildings, 632 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,079 I'll go get some cows. >> We got that. Okay. I just 633 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,839 » Easy to get along with. >> I'm going to continue on and ask the 634 00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:14,520 general audience if there's anyone here that wishes to speak to this 635 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,520 application. 636 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:27,040 No. Um Peter online has uh made a motion for a deferral if uh the committee is 637 00:53:23,839 --> 00:53:29,520 acceptable to that. >> Councelor Barry second. 638 00:53:28,319 --> 00:53:34,559 » You second it. >> Okay. So we have a motion for deferral. 639 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:44,800 Um all in favor 640 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:50,000 one, two, three. Peter is four against One, two, three. That councelor Van 641 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:54,720 Passen, you're in favor or against? 642 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:57,720 » Okay, so that's a tie. It loses on a tie. 643 00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,960 » No, 644 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:15,040 » make a new motion. Linda, >> I'll make a motion that we approve it uh 645 00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:20,000 with the removal of the hydro geological study given that he's already living in 646 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:23,520 the house or the house has water and sewer existing 647 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:30,000 and um conditional upon 648 00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:36,079 approval of an official plan and zoning bylaw amendment if required because I 649 00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:40,800 feel like it's still zoned as a contract. ctor's yard and he may not 650 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:47,040 require that. >> Okay, a seconder. 651 00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:49,760 Councelor Van Pass. >> Councelor Barry. 652 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:55,200 » Thanks. I just want to clarify before you call the vote. Is that legal 653 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:59,760 to do that? Like can we are we creating like a if 654 00:54:57,839 --> 00:55:08,880 it's legal fine but it sounds like there might be some planning act issues here 655 00:55:05,359 --> 00:55:12,160 » through the chair. Um do you could you clarify? 656 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:15,359 » Well so if we is this motion going to create legal 657 00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:17,119 issues? I'm not trying to stop you from getting your thing approved. I just want 658 00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:20,880 to make sure you don't have a problem later. Is is there is doing what is on 659 00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:24,359 the floor is that something we can legally do 660 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:31,680 » through the chair? I I can't speak to legally. What I can say from a planning 661 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:36,160 perspective is planning staff has gone through the 662 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:41,520 planning policy framework and they have determined based on that framework 663 00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:47,839 whether this is an application that is consistent with the PPS conforms to the 664 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:53,680 OP and the zoning bylaw and if working through that policy framework we arrive 665 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:58,400 at no then we recommend refusal. Um, we did include a a host of different 666 00:55:56,559 --> 00:56:03,599 conditions should you want to understand sort of 667 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:08,880 what that may look like, but ultimately we've gone through the policy framework 668 00:56:05,359 --> 00:56:14,240 and said that it it's not in alignment. And so it's 669 00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:18,480 the committee you can assess that and make your determination but ultimately 670 00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:23,920 these would be the studies that would be required as per provincial uh 671 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:27,119 requirements and and that is set out and we've kind of laid that out in the 672 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:31,920 report. >> Okay. 673 00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:37,920 » The condition of approval of a official plan and zoning bylaw amendment 674 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:41,319 would fix that to make it compliant. Is that not correct? 675 00:56:42,799 --> 00:56:50,319 » So staff in the report has looked at the requirement for a zoning bylaw amendment 676 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:54,480 and what that may look like, but we've said, you know, that will come down to 677 00:56:52,079 --> 00:57:00,720 sort of the sight specific requirements and working through what that proposed 678 00:56:56,559 --> 00:57:04,720 use is. Um, as for the official plan amendment, that would only be required 679 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:08,720 if you know it got to that level. But depending on what's being proposed right 680 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:15,520 now, staff was comfortable with the zoning bylaw amendment based on what we 681 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:20,400 have before us. So, um, ultimately all of that information is there and in the 682 00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:25,920 report. It's it's before you to make a decision. Um, but again, staff based on 683 00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:31,839 the review and in the absence of the technical studies can't conclude that it 684 00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:37,520 is in conformity. >> Okay. Thank you. So, we have a motion on 685 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:42,799 the floor to approve with some conditions. Moved 686 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:47,599 by Linda, seconded by Councelor Van Passen. I'm going to call the vote. All 687 00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:53,760 in favor? One, two, three, four. 688 00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:59,200 Peter. What's Peter doing? He's against. 689 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:05,920 » What's that? >> He's a no. Okay. So, so four four and 690 00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:11,920 against one, two, three, four 691 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:16,640 loes on a tie again. Councelor Barry. So, I have sorry another question from 692 00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:23,520 Morgan. So, I I I didn't if you said it, I apologize. What's the timeline 693 00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:28,079 on getting Gary in getting a meeting done? Can we do we have enough time to 694 00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:31,119 get if he'll agree to give it a month on a deferral, can we get them back in 695 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,680 September with your meetings and everything else? 696 00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:38,640 Is that doable? Are we going to be putting them off for another 6 months, 8 697 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:42,640 months, 10 year, whatever it is? >> Well, maybe I can help you answer that. 698 00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:46,160 That usually the September calendar's pretty much set by now. So, you'd 699 00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:50,160 probably be looking at October at the earliest. Am I correct? 700 00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:54,799 » Well, that's sort of correct. >> Okay, fine. 701 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:58,160 I'm going to ask Gary in a minute if the timeline that Morgan gives us is 702 00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:02,799 acceptable. That's what I'm where I'm kind of going. So, pick a timeline, but 703 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:06,559 when's the earliest we can get this back in front of the committee for a final 704 00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:12,160 decision? If we were to go to a deferral, if that's something that 705 00:59:08,799 --> 00:59:15,799 » Gary requests us to do, how much time do you need to get this done? 706 00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:25,280 through the chair. I will defer to Olivia for a moment just to see if this 707 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:30,720 is Olivia as you scheduled the pre-conultations. Is this something that 708 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:35,240 we could get Mr. Muscle in for on the next pre-conultation agenda? 709 00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:43,680 » We got too many microphones on. Mr. Muscle, would you mind turning your 710 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:48,079 microphone off, please? >> Okay, Olivia. uh through the chair for 711 00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:53,839 pre-conultation meetings. The next available date would be Wednesday, 712 00:59:50,799 --> 00:59:57,520 September 2nd, I believe. Oh, no, sorry, one second. Let me just double check my 713 00:59:55,440 --> 01:00:03,480 calendar. We are booking into September for pre-conultation meetings. So, I just 714 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:03,480 want to confirm the exact date. 715 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:18,640 So, Wednesday, September 9th would be the earliest time that we would have 716 01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:21,520 available and it would have be at 1:30 p.m. 717 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:25,200 » Okay. So, if we're going to continue because chair's not paying attention. 718 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:30,240 So, I'm going to sneak one in on them. So, we meet September 9th. Not we, you 719 01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:35,200 all meet September 9th. We do what we got to do. based on the requirements and 720 01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:38,640 the ideas you have of fixing this. Is this something that again once he's met 721 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:42,559 and we come to an agreement? Can we get this back by October or is this again 722 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:46,400 going to be something that he's got to do a bunch of stuff and whatever the the 723 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,960 studies are, is it going to be 6 months? Is it like you got to give me a sense of 724 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:53,440 this so we can move this forward because we're deadlocked at two failed votes. So 725 01:00:52,319 --> 01:00:57,599 where where are we doing? >> I see a way. 726 01:00:54,960 --> 01:01:04,240 » So do I. So I'm trying to get there >> through the chair. um we staff will do 727 01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:09,359 all that we can do to work through the process as quickly as possible. What I 728 01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:13,359 will say is we go to pre-conultation and all the departments relevant departments 729 01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:17,599 any external agencies are involved. They provide all of their comments and then 730 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:22,960 the applicant in this case Mr. Muscle would take that away and determine what 731 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:27,440 he he is prepared to do. Okay. and then make the application if the zoning bylaw 732 01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:31,760 amendment application is something he wants to move forward with and then 733 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:37,680 obviously go out to retain consultants to undertake the necessary studies. So 734 01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:42,960 in terms of a completion date, but that does mean as we're working with him, he 735 01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:49,040 can we can still look at the report cycle for consents and come back with 736 01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:52,319 those conditions after we've had sort of that wholesome discussion. He 737 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:55,440 understands what that looks like and he's made the decision to move forward. 738 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:59,920 » Okay. Thank you. >> Mr. Muscle, 739 01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:05,599 I'm going to ask you if you would like a deferral 740 01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:10,640 for you to you and to consult with staff and get this thing moving at an 741 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:15,200 expedited manner. And I'm going to recommend as the chair that we that the 742 01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:18,480 county wave any uh deferral fees that may be entailed. Paid that already. 743 01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:23,520 » Pardon me. I've >> paid them already. 744 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:26,720 Anyway, so would you like a deferral? Because you've seen here we've got two 745 01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:32,319 failed votes. >> The deferral is the way to get out. 746 01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:35,440 I just want to severance my house off and move on. 747 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:38,160 » So you're in favor of you're you you can request a deferral. 748 01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:41,280 » Yes. But it's not going to do any good because we've been seven months now and 749 01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:42,559 nobody's brought up nothing. So it'll be another seven. 750 01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:45,280 » Give us a chance. >> I'll be dead time you get it. 751 01:02:44,319 --> 01:02:49,359 » Okay. >> Anyway, fine. Defer it. Whatever. 752 01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:53,599 » So based So thank you. Thank you for that. So, based on the request that 753 01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:57,359 we're now hearing, I'm going to move the deferral based on the request from the 754 01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,640 applicant, right? >> And then we can talk about this after if 755 01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,720 you like, but that's what we're going to do now. 756 01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:11,359 » Okay. Can I get a seconder to that, Lisa? All in favor? 757 01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:16,799 » One, two, three, four, five, six. That carries. Mr. muscle. I'm going to 758 01:03:13,839 --> 01:03:25,480 recommend to you that maybe it would be helpful for you for you yourself to um 759 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:25,480 retain some professional planning help. 760 01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:30,160 » No, that's not what I mean. A professional 761 01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:34,559 » I said three different >> That's not what I'm talking about. I'm 762 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:38,799 talking >> Okay, that's my suggestion. Thank you 763 01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:44,520 very much. Anyway, uh just going back Adam 764 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,960 » and Lisa 765 01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:27,880 Okay. Next up is uh 766 01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:34,160 NPL 2026123 and the planner can give the report please. 767 01:04:32,799 --> 01:04:38,640 » Thank you. through the chair. An application has been received requesting 768 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:44,400 relief of 0.52 m from the minimum permitted rear yard setback of 7.5 m. 769 01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:48,480 Permit a rear yard setback of 6.98 m for an addition to a dwelling in the 770 01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:53,280 residential R1H zone. The subject lands are located at 982 highway 59 between 771 01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:56,880 Front Road and William Lane in the geographic township of South Walsingham. 772 01:04:55,440 --> 01:05:02,480 The area of the subject lands is approximately 1,021.63 63 m with 773 01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:06,480 approximately 21 meters of frontage on the east side of Highway 59. The subject 774 01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:10,720 lands are currently occupied by a single detached dwelling, detached garage, and 775 01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:16,319 accessory shed. The subject lands are currently subject to a holding under 776 01:05:12,319 --> 01:05:19,760 bylaw 16Z 2022 regarding water capacity. In this case, the subject application 777 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:23,680 proposes an addition which is permitted under this holding. A portion of the 778 01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:27,359 subject lands is currently zoned hazard lands. Planning staff have been in 779 01:05:25,359 --> 01:05:31,359 discussion with LPRCA staff regarding the hazard land zone on the subject 780 01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:34,799 property. LPRCA staff note that the subject lands are not subject to any 781 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:38,000 natural hazards. Therefore, planning staff have begun the technical mapping 782 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:41,680 exercise to reflect the current extent of the hazard lands on the property. 783 01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:44,799 Overall, it is the professional opinion of planning staff that this proposal is 784 01:05:43,359 --> 01:05:47,920 consistent with the planning act and meets the four tests of a minor 785 01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:51,280 variance. This proposal is recommended for approval. 786 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:57,079 » Okay. Thank you. Any questions of the committee? Is there an agent or 787 01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:57,079 applicant present? 788 01:05:58,559 --> 01:06:03,960 Is there anyone present that wishes to speak to this application? 789 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:11,480 No. We have a recommendation for approval. 790 01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,480 Joe 791 01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:16,039 seconded Phil 792 01:06:17,839 --> 01:06:25,400 2026123. All in favor? 793 01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:25,400 That's carried. 794 01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:41,079 BNPL 2026150. 795 01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:50,079 Um, maybe we'll have a few together here. 796 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:54,799 NPL 2026151 and 152 797 01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:59,680 the planner can give the report please welcome back Andrew thank you uh through 798 01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:03,920 the chair I'll be presenting this on behalf of my colleague Kendall um I 799 01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:10,160 assume that we can present all three together for brevity 800 01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:13,839 uh BNPL 2026150 an application has been received to 801 01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:18,960 sever a parcel having a frontage and width of 20.14 meters 802 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:26,480 and a regular depth uh and a lot area of one uh 1876 square meters and to retain 803 01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:30,880 a lot having an area of 28.5 hectares. NPL 2026151, 804 01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:36,559 an application's been received to seek relief of 11.5 hectares from the 805 01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:43,200 required minimum lot area of 40 hectares uh to permit a lot area of 28.5 hectares 806 01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:48,160 for a lot in the agricultural zone. And uh 2026152, 807 01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:53,200 an application's been received to seek relief of 0.22 hectares from the 808 01:07:51,039 --> 01:08:01,039 required minimum lot area of 0.4 4 hectares to permit a lot area of 0.18 809 01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:06,160 hectares and 20 me uh 10 sorry 10 meters of apologies from the minimum required 810 01:08:03,359 --> 01:08:11,760 lot frontage of 30 m to permit a lot frontage of 20 m uh for a lot in the 811 01:08:08,799 --> 01:08:14,720 hamlet residential zone. Uh before I go any further I wanted to note that 812 01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:21,679 additional comments were received I believe yesterday and have been uh 813 01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:25,040 circulated uh to committee members. Um, the subject lands are located on the 814 01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:28,640 north side of Highway 3, west of its intersection with Cockshut Road. The 815 01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:34,480 area of the subject lands is approximately 28.69 hectares with 816 01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:39,440 approximately 20 uh 274 meters of frontage on Highway 3. The portion of 817 01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:44,080 the lands proposed to be severed fronts onto Cockshut Road within the ham hamlet 818 01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:49,359 of Reon and would have an area of approximately 1,876 819 01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:55,120 square meters with the retained lands to h to uh remain at 28.5 hectares. Subject 820 01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:58,440 lands are currently farmed and contain no structures. 821 01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:06,880 Uh the subject severance uh application seeks to create a new residential lot uh 822 01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:11,600 within a hamlet area on lands that are designated urban residential and zoned 823 01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:14,799 hamlet residential. The remainder of the lands are designated in zoned 824 01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:19,759 agricultural and hazard lands and will be and will remain farmed. The 825 01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:24,560 undersized nature of the retained lands would be exacerbated by the proposed 826 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:28,880 severance uh with the proposed lot also being undersized with a reduced frontage 827 01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:33,120 as per the Hamlet residential zoning provisions. These deficiencies are 828 01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:36,880 proposed to be rectified by the respective associated minor variance 829 01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:42,799 applications. Um, in regards to minor variance 830 01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:46,880 application 2026151, the reduction in lot area is minor 831 01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:51,040 relative to the existing lot size and will not affect the function of the 832 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:56,320 agricultural lands. In regards to the other minor variance 2026152, 833 01:09:54,000 --> 01:10:00,640 the up the proposed severed lot is of a similar size to several parcels in the 834 01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:04,719 hamlet area and is thus in keeping with the surrounding character. A 835 01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:08,640 hydrogeeological study will be necessary to ensure that the lot can adequately 836 01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:11,600 support a septic system and has been included as a condition of the 837 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:15,679 severance. Uh a public comment was received as part 838 01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:20,480 of the application and primarily speaks to concerns regarding an observed drain 839 01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:24,560 within a portion of the subject lands. The engineering department has indicated 840 01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:29,199 this drain is not part of the county system and the properties outside of the 841 01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:33,760 watershed of the woolly drain. Additionally, LPRCA has noted that a 842 01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:37,679 tributary water course, a black creek, runs through the property, but would not 843 01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:41,440 be affected by the proposed severance. No issues were raised in the technical 844 01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:45,040 comments. Uh, in summary, it is professional opinion of staff that the 845 01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:50,159 severance proposal meets the planning act PPS 2024, conforms to the official 846 01:10:48,719 --> 01:10:55,120 plan, and meets the intent and purpose of the zoning bylaw. The minor variance 847 01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:59,120 applications also meet the four tests of the minor variance. All three 848 01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:04,239 applications are recommended for approval. Um we were approached by the 849 01:11:02,239 --> 01:11:09,679 agent prior to the meeting uh regarding condition six of the consent um which 850 01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:17,760 had a typo and should require an entrance permit rather than a a um a de 851 01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:22,480 uh what was the word that dep dedication um from uh development engineering. 852 01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:25,480 Thank you. I'm here if you have any questions. 853 01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:34,000 Thank you. Any questions of the committee? Is there an agent or 854 01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:37,440 of course to add? >> Anything to add? 855 01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:42,159 » Nothing to add. Um, is there anyone present that wishes 856 01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:46,360 to speak to this application? Yes, sir. Stepped up to the microphone. 857 01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:54,600 Button on the right and your name, please. 858 01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:04,880 That's the one. >> Mr. Chairman, my name is Ben Hogerp and 859 01:12:01,679 --> 01:12:10,640 my wife Janette and I I we live uh at 1079 Cockchit Road, which is just north 860 01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:16,719 of this proposed uh lot. My concern is uh years ago, Vancastle's 861 01:12:13,679 --> 01:12:23,440 drilled a well for us and we had to go 135 ft down and we hit rock and it has 862 01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:30,960 about 3 to five gallons per minute. It's done the job for us. My concern is if a 863 01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:36,400 neighbor was to drill a well to use for watering their lawn or whatever it was 864 01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:40,400 for. If we diminished our 3 to 5 gallons per minute, we'd run into a problem. 865 01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:45,520 Now, before this meeting, I talked to Mr. Skyler Senior, and he said to me, 866 01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:50,320 "If we ran into that problem, they would drill us a new well, and that would 867 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:55,520 solve my problem, my concerns, but I would want that in writing or enforcable 868 01:12:53,040 --> 01:13:00,800 because when someone buys a lot and builds a house on it, I would imagine 869 01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:06,880 that's their problem, you know, uh uh not theirs." But that's my main concern, 870 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:12,560 Mr. chairman that that uh cuz that wells work for us but it's minimal and Reon is 871 01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:17,600 not a good area to uh to drill wells. Uh it's uh it's unfortunate. 872 01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:22,719 » Okay. Um planning staff have any comment? 873 01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:26,000 uh through the chair. That's this is the reason why there there's a 874 01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:31,760 hydrogeeological condition put onto the application um for any new lot because 875 01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:37,280 we need to ensure that not only septic but well um provision is there that the 876 01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:42,239 water's portable but also that a new well is not going to delteriously impact 877 01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:47,120 a neighboring property. So it it's several stages within the hydro geo um 878 01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:50,640 that's a required condition of of the application. So, 879 01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:55,040 » and how would that be enforced, you know, like lightly? 880 01:13:52,400 --> 01:14:01,760 » Well, if the hydro geo was unacceptable um to us or to the building department 881 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:05,920 um then the severance fails. They wouldn't be able to complete that 882 01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:13,280 condition. So, there's no new lot. >> Um that's basically the the gist of it 883 01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:18,640 is that this this uh the hydro geo will show us one way or the other. Is this 884 01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:23,520 acceptable? Is this attainable? Um, and if not, there is no new lot. It fails on 885 01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:29,280 that condition. >> A concern not to me is my septic system 886 01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:33,760 is probably 25 30 feet away from the lot line. But when they put the new 887 01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:38,640 neighbor, if there is a new neighbor, drills a well, they would have to stay 888 01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:42,400 what 80 or 100 feet away from my septic system. But that's not my problem. 889 01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:45,840 » I'm going to defer to the uh agent for a comment, please. 890 01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:51,120 » Yeah. Do you want me to stay up here or you 891 01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:55,280 can step aside if you like? >> Thank you through you, Mr. Chair. Uh 892 01:14:52,719 --> 01:15:00,400 Nathan Colia, I am the agent for Skyler Farms. Uh simply Andrew is correct. That 893 01:14:58,239 --> 01:15:06,320 is what the condition for the hydro geo study requires and and he is correct in 894 01:15:02,719 --> 01:15:08,560 that if we the report's not satisfactory that we can't get the severance, we 895 01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,920 can't get the lot. That's the bottom line. Andrew is correct. Thank you. 896 01:15:09,679 --> 01:15:15,679 Okay. >> Now, let me ask you a question, Nathan. 897 01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:20,400 Um M I'm sorry. didn't catch your name again. Um, he's 898 01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:24,960 asking for something in writing. Is the is your client willing to do that? 899 01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:29,199 » Well, it's a it's a moot point regardless because if the 900 01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:33,440 hydrogeeological study is satisfactory, then there are no concerns across any of 901 01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:38,080 the adjacent lots. So, there there wouldn't be necessary in in general. 902 01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:41,679 » All right. Thank you. Does the committee have any questions of 903 01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:45,920 the while he's up there? 904 01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:48,719 No. Okay. Does that satisfy your concerns for the time being? 905 01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:52,239 » Yeah. As long as I don't run into a problem. 906 01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:55,280 » We're going to get to you. Yeah. Okay. I'm sorry. 907 01:15:53,440 --> 01:16:00,000 » As long as >> as long as I don't run into a problem 908 01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:01,760 because I don't want to spend thousands redrilling a well, but 909 01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:06,239 » Okay. >> Okay. Mr. Chairman, 910 01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:10,080 » just like to provide a comment. So, just a little bit of my background. I've 911 01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:14,719 worked I work for the county branch. I've drilled many municipal wells, done 912 01:16:12,239 --> 01:16:19,600 lots of hydrog studies. So when they drill the new well, they will have to 913 01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:24,000 pump that well for 3 days straight to confirm if there are any impacts to 914 01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:28,400 wells within a certain radius, usually about a half a kilometer to a kilometer. 915 01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:34,320 So your well is definitely within that radius. And if any adverse effects are 916 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:39,440 experienced on your well, which they'll probably and you can request to have 917 01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:45,199 your well monitored during that test, right? So if there are any adverse 918 01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:50,640 effects, they the person putting in the new well will have to rectify those um 919 01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:55,440 impacts. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. Uh councelor Van 920 01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:58,800 Hass >> um more of a comment. We've had this 921 01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:04,560 situation come up in other parts of Northolk County and they found what a 922 01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:08,080 solution to that is they put sistns in the house because you have a well that 923 01:17:06,719 --> 01:17:12,000 only does three four gallons a minute and all the kids come home you can't 924 01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:15,760 suck that much out so you pump your well into a sister and they have another pump 925 01:17:13,679 --> 01:17:18,400 that'll give you 20 gallons a minute and that keeps everybody happy. So there are 926 01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:20,960 solutions out there. >> Okay. Thank you. I'm going to go right 927 01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:25,360 to the audience again. Is there anyone else that wishes to speak to this 928 01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:29,440 application? step right up and the microphone's already on and just state 929 01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:33,360 your name for the record, please. >> My name is Karen Eastman. I actually 930 01:17:31,679 --> 01:17:38,080 live just on the other side of the road from where the severance is is hoping to 931 01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:42,400 be. Um, am I correct in understanding that if 932 01:17:40,239 --> 01:17:46,719 it's changing um, like from what I heard over here, if 933 01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:52,080 you're changing the look or it's negatively impacting the neighborhood as 934 01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:55,840 far as like what the neighborhood atmosphere is like or the what I'm 935 01:17:54,560 --> 01:18:00,159 sorry, I don't remember what the words were that they were using about the barn 936 01:17:57,679 --> 01:18:05,520 that or the the garage that was going to be close to the road. I'm going to defer 937 01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:09,440 to the client at the >> unless do you have anything to add? 938 01:18:07,199 --> 01:18:11,840 » Um I would just say through the chair I think you're looking for street scene. 939 01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:14,960 » Yeah. >> The street scene and how how it appears 940 01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:21,120 in the streetscape. >> Right. Okay. So um I'm going to say that 941 01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:26,719 having lived there now for 7 years, uh I've never seen a lot that narrow in 942 01:18:23,679 --> 01:18:32,400 Reton. Um also I don't know that they've built a new house there in quite a long 943 01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:40,000 time. Um, I feel that severing that law and putting a house in there is gonna 944 01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:42,880 look ridiculous. Um, and I know several other neighbors that, well, one that 945 01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:47,840 couldn't be here tonight, I think probably who sent his comments in, um, 946 01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:54,480 just feel that it would negatively impact um, the value of our homes having 947 01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:58,480 another home so close by. I know where the stake is um for the property line on 948 01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:02,880 the opposite side of the road, which is right next to my place, which I think is 949 01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:09,360 the next inline lot to be severed off. Um it actually it's right up on what we 950 01:19:06,719 --> 01:19:12,880 thought was our property because there's railroad track that goes through there, 951 01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:19,280 right? And so it's quite a dip down to the track um and then like up to the 952 01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:22,320 edge. So for us it would be like I know I'm just talking to precedent here like 953 01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:26,480 if this one gets severed and then we want to do the same thing across the 954 01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:32,480 road we're looking at um having a neighbor like right 955 01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:36,239 like 5 ft from the stairway that goes up to our rentals upstairs. So um 956 01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:39,120 » okay >> the one across the street it won't 957 01:19:37,679 --> 01:19:42,960 affect us other than that I don't wouldn't want to look at it probably 958 01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:48,640 it's much you know I moved there because of the country atmosphere. Um, and like 959 01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:53,840 the property tax we pay there is pretty ridiculous. And then if we're going to 960 01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:59,280 be packed in house here, house here, um, like I might as well live in the in town 961 01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:02,560 and that's not why we moved to rent. So >> that's just my personal opinion. 962 01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:04,320 » Okay. Thank you. Duly noted. >> Thank you. 963 01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:08,400 » Is there anyone else in the audience that wishes to speak to this 964 01:20:05,440 --> 01:20:12,719 application? >> No. Okay. 965 01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:19,440 Uh, we have a recommendation for approval on all three. Can I get a mover 966 01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:25,600 and a seconder on BNPL 2026150? That's the severance. Joe Linda speak. 967 01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:28,560 » Sorry. >> Tombs would like to speak. 968 01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:32,880 » I'm sorry. Who? >> Jim Tombs would like to speak. 969 01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:38,880 » Oh, sorry. Mr. Tombs, go ahead. >> Yes. Thank you. Sorry. Um, I live just 970 01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:47,040 across from Ben and Janette and just north of Karen at 1076 Cox. Um, I, as 971 01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:52,880 Ben said, I I have concerns about water. Um, in speaking with neighbors, um, who 972 01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:57,760 had lived there since the mid 80s, they had mentioned that back then there was a 973 01:20:54,560 --> 01:21:03,360 moratorum put on new builds in Reton due to water table issues. Um, I reached out 974 01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:09,920 to someone in archives and because at that time Reton belonged 975 01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:15,120 to the city of Nanny Coke, I guess those records aren't digitized, so it would 976 01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:20,480 require u me to come in person and see this. But yeah, like I I think that 977 01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:26,880 speaks to previous water table concerns. And to that mentioned um about the drill 978 01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:30,640 testing, when would that take place? in spring when there's lots of water 979 01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:34,400 potentially in the ground and the table would be high or would it be done in 980 01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:38,040 summer when the water table's potentially lower? 981 01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:45,840 » No way of um predicting that I guess correct 982 01:21:44,480 --> 01:21:49,679 » when they do it when they actually do the work. We have no way of knowing that 983 01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:52,960 » uh through the chair. No, as far as I'm aware, it can be done at any time of the 984 01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:55,840 year. Okay. But the results are still the same whether it has an impact or not 985 01:21:54,800 --> 01:22:02,800 on >> surrounding properties uh water. So, if 986 01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:08,400 it's a low water level for everyone and the tests show that fine as long as it 987 01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:12,000 doesn't worsen the situation, then uh the testing can be done at any time of 988 01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:15,360 the year as I understand it. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Tombs. Does that 989 01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:18,400 satisfy your concern? >> Yeah. May May I ask one more? 990 01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:24,560 » Sure. So I I know like that used to be kind of 991 01:22:21,199 --> 01:22:29,040 a sidetrack for rail cars back when I was a little kid and even today at times 992 01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:32,159 you can smell the creasso. So, I just wonder if there's any of that that's 993 01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:36,560 soaked into the ground and is that a concern? You know, if someone were to 994 01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:39,960 build a house on that soil, >> planning staff, 995 01:22:40,639 --> 01:22:47,520 » um, as far as that would be concerned, I mean, a fair amount of that would be 996 01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:53,520 taken up in any regrading that's going to need to be done to to former railway 997 01:22:49,840 --> 01:23:01,199 lands. um and will also come out partially as uh in the hydrog 998 01:22:56,719 --> 01:23:07,920 uh because creassote will show up. Um but yes, ultimately it is it is uh up to 999 01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:14,719 the whoever is going to build to ensure that that the uh the grading is safe uh 1000 01:23:12,239 --> 01:23:18,639 for residential use. >> Okay. Okay, Mr. Tombs. 1001 01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:25,440 » Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. and we'll move along. 1002 01:23:22,159 --> 01:23:32,800 So, I have a motion uh moved by Joe, second by Linda for BNPL 2022 6150. 1003 01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:38,840 Recommendation for approval subject to conditions. All in favor? And that's 1004 01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,840 carried. 1005 01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:49,199 And then we will do minor variancepl 2026151 1006 01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:52,920 mover seconder LSA Phil 1007 01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:02,280 all in favor and that's carried 1008 01:24:10,159 --> 01:24:21,080 and NPL 2026152 minor variance move or seconder please 1009 01:24:16,480 --> 01:24:21,080 Phil and council been passing 1010 01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:29,880 all in favor and that's carried 1011 01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:46,880 okay moving Moving right along. BNPL 2026163 1012 01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:51,600 and the planner can give the report please. Uh yes, thank you. Through the 1013 01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:58,239 chair, an application has been received to sever a parcel having a frontage of 1014 01:24:54,080 --> 01:25:05,920 46.61 m, a width of 46 uh 1 meter, and a depth of 45.51 m and 1015 01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:11,760 having an area of 0.19 hectares. The retained parcel will have an area of 1016 01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:19,120 approximately 20 uh 2.31 hectares in the RH uh zone in the hamlet of Forestville. 1017 01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:25,360 This uh severance uh note the reduced lot size of 0.19 hectares. Uh a zoning 1018 01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:31,040 bylaw amendment was passed earlier by council with a special provision 1019 01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:35,199 allowing the undersized lot. The subject lands are located at 188 Charlottville 1020 01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:39,040 West Cordeline Road in the hamlet of Forestville. 1021 01:25:36,719 --> 01:25:44,159 Uh the subject lands are currently vacant. Surrounding land uses is are 1022 01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:49,440 mainly residential and agricultural in nature. A proincially significant 1023 01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:54,159 wetland PSW adjacent area is identified on the subject lands. It is limited in 1024 01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:58,800 area and in development, grading or servicing or no sorry no development, 1025 01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:04,639 grading or servicing is proposed within the PSW adjacent lands. Uh the proposed 1026 01:26:02,239 --> 01:26:10,400 severance has been designed to avoid direct encroachment into these features 1027 01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:16,239 and the retained uh lands will remain uh zoned hazard land and agricultural. A 1028 01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:21,679 grading and servicing concept uh prepared by G. Douglas Valley Limited uh 1029 01:26:18,719 --> 01:26:27,120 demonstrated that the septic system and associated well uh associated works can 1030 01:26:24,159 --> 01:26:33,199 be located entirely outside the PSW adjacent area thereby uh maintaining 1031 01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:39,199 separation from the the natural heritage features. The LPRCA has also confirmed 1032 01:26:36,639 --> 01:26:45,520 that a permit is not required for the proposed works based on the current uh 1033 01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:51,840 design. On this basis, the proposal uh maintains to avoidance of any key 1034 01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:55,760 natural features uh and does not result in any negative impacts on the 1035 01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:59,760 provinially significant woodland or wetland. Sorry. Uh given the above, it 1036 01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:03,760 is the professional opinion of the planning staff that this proposal meets 1037 01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:07,840 the planning act, conforms with the official plan, and meets the intent and 1038 01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:10,320 purpose of the zoning bylaw, and is therefore recommended for approval. 1039 01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:16,880 Thank you. >> Okay, thank you. Any questions? 1040 01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:22,719 Is there an agent or applicant present? Anything to add? Nothing to add, they 1041 01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:27,080 say. Is there anyone in the audience that wishes to speak to this 1042 01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:27,080 application? 1043 01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:39,000 No. Anyone online? No. We have a recommendation for 1044 01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:39,000 approval. Move or second or Lisa Joe 1045 01:27:41,199 --> 01:27:48,520 and BNPL 2026163. All in favor? And that's carried. 1046 01:27:57,440 --> 01:28:04,159 and PL 2026054. The planner can give the report, please. 1047 01:28:02,639 --> 01:28:07,679 Thank you. Through the chair, I'll be presenting on behalf of my colleague 1048 01:28:05,679 --> 01:28:12,639 Kendall. An application has been received to seek 1049 01:28:09,679 --> 01:28:17,800 relief of 36.6% in lot coverage to permit a total lot coverage of 51.6%. 1050 01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:29,199 Uh 4.8 m in front yard setback to permit a front yard setback of 1.2 2 m. 3.45 m 1051 01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:38,480 in rear yard setback to permit a rear yard setback of 5.55 m. 0.38 m in left 1052 01:28:34,719 --> 01:28:44,800 and right interior sideyard to permit uh in left and right interior sideyard 1053 01:28:40,639 --> 01:28:50,159 setback of 0.82 m. One parking spot to permit one parking spot is the minimum 1054 01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:53,600 number. Uh and relief of section 3.10b 10B 1055 01:28:51,679 --> 01:28:59,440 to permit an eaves trough projection to the left side Jar property line. 1056 01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:04,320 Excuse me. The subject lands are located on the west side of Cedar Drive just 1057 01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:08,320 north of its intersection um with Tyler Street and Turkey Point and the 1058 01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:13,440 geographic township of Charlottesville. The area of the subject lens is 1059 01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:19,920 approximately 292 square meters with approximately 12.6 m of frontage on 1060 01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:24,159 Cedar Drive. Subject lands are occupied by a single detached dwelling and wooden 1061 01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:30,880 shed. The existing one-story dwelling has a lot coverage of 35.6% 1062 01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:34,639 and approximately 75 77.5 square meters in building area. The dwelling is 1063 01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:39,920 proposed to be demolished and replaced by a new two-story dwelling with an 1064 01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:48,000 attached garage with a lot coverage of 51.6% 6% and 120.7 square meters of of 1065 01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:53,440 building footprint u and approximately 218 square meters of floor area. The 1066 01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:57,440 subject lands are designated resort residential under the north county 1067 01:29:55,199 --> 01:30:02,400 official plan. Residential dwellings that existed legally upon the adoption 1068 01:29:59,679 --> 01:30:06,560 of the official plan uh have been permitted. uh redevelopment or 1069 01:30:04,719 --> 01:30:10,639 replacement of existing structures is permitted subject to the policies of 1070 01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:14,560 hazard land designation. The hazard land designation permits a 1071 01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:20,960 reasonable compromise between the extent of the hazard and the continued use and 1072 01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:25,440 future development of the area um of extensive development located on 1073 01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:28,880 hazard lands such as in Turkey Point. The subject lands are also subject to 1074 01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:33,600 the shoreline policies of the official plan which generally direct development 1075 01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:37,440 outside of hazard areas and allow for reasonable compromise between hazards in 1076 01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:41,520 the continued use and future development of the area. While a dwelling already 1077 01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:45,600 exists on the subject property, the proposed reconstruction significantly 1078 01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:49,840 increases the habitable space and building footprint on the lot. Fire 1079 01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:54,639 Services has provided comments on the potential risks the increased building 1080 01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:58,400 area may pose to first responders, the residents, the neighboring properties, 1081 01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:02,719 as well as the general public as it pertains to the roadway. Based on the 1082 01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:06,480 submitted comments and an analysis of the requested relief, 1083 01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:10,560 uh the proposed development cannot be considered to be a reasonable compromise 1084 01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:14,080 when considering the potential hazards. As such, the application does not 1085 01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:18,880 conform to the general intent of the Norfolk County official plan. The lands 1086 01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:24,159 are zoned resort residential with special provision 1414 which permits 1087 01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:27,840 single detached dwellings as use. The applications seek relief of almost all 1088 01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:32,080 of the required setback provisions within the resort residential zone. The 1089 01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:35,440 intent of these provisions is to ensure that structures are set back 1090 01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:39,840 sufficiently from the street and neighboring properties and that the lot 1091 01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:45,120 retains sufficient drainage, parking, servicing, and amenity space and that 1092 01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:48,400 the dwelling suits uh the character of the surrounding neighborhood. While the 1093 01:31:46,719 --> 01:31:51,520 front and rear yard setbacks could be considered to be in keeping with the 1094 01:31:50,239 --> 01:31:56,880 existing dwelling and surrounding dwellings, the sideyard setbacks result 1095 01:31:54,320 --> 01:32:02,320 in parking and amenity space reductions as well as a substantive lot coverage 1096 01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:06,159 increase when viewed together. Oh, and when viewed together has the potential 1097 01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:10,320 to create a massing and scale that may appear imposing at the street level. A 1098 01:32:08,639 --> 01:32:14,560 parking relief has also been requested with the only parking space provided on 1099 01:32:12,159 --> 01:32:20,000 site to be located within the proposed attached garage. As the majority of the 1100 01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:24,480 existing d gravel driveway appears uh from satellite imagery to be located 1101 01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:29,199 within the road allowance. The existing dwelling has a lot coverage 1102 01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:33,600 of approximately 35.6% with the proposed uh lot coverage of 1103 01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:37,760 51.6. The proposed relief is more than half 1104 01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:42,800 the lot area and when viewed in conjunction with relief requests for 1105 01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:46,239 required yard reductions um creates a massing and scale that does 1106 01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:49,520 not appear to be in keeping with the surrounding neighborhood. 1107 01:32:48,159 --> 01:32:54,239 Additionally, the building department has not has noted that the location of 1108 01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:58,000 the existing septic system does not meet the setback requirements from the 1109 01:32:56,080 --> 01:33:01,520 location of the proposed dwelling and that the existing septic system is not 1110 01:32:59,920 --> 01:33:05,840 sufficient to support the proposed new dwelling. Considering the size of the 1111 01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:10,159 proposed dwelling, a septic system of sufficient size to support the dwelling 1112 01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:14,719 would not be able to fit within the within the lot of the proposed building 1113 01:33:12,239 --> 01:33:18,800 footprint and while maintaining Ontario building code setback requirements. 1114 01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:22,719 While a single detached dwelling is permitted on the lands, the size of the 1115 01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:27,040 lot permits a building envelope appropriate relative to lot size and 1116 01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:31,280 where private on-site services can be accommodated. Staff are of the opinion 1117 01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:35,600 that the reliefs being requested as part of this application, when viewed 1118 01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:39,360 together, introduce a cumulative effect that appears to be a significant 1119 01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:43,840 departure from the intent of the royal uh resort residential zone provisions 1120 01:33:41,679 --> 01:33:48,239 and may appear imposing at the street level with its proposed size, height, 1121 01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:51,840 and front facade setback from Cedar Street. Planning staff are of the 1122 01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:56,239 opinion that the proposed relief requests have a cumulative income impact 1123 01:33:54,639 --> 01:34:00,480 that cannot be considered minor in nature, desirable or in keeping with the 1124 01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:04,320 character of the area for the appropriate development of the lands and 1125 01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:10,480 therefore recommend refusal of the application. 1126 01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:14,880 Thank you. Thank you. Any questions? Is there an agent or applicant present? 1127 01:34:12,719 --> 01:34:19,560 David, anything to add? >> I do. 1128 01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:19,560 » Step right up. 1129 01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:23,400 Five minutes. 1130 01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:41,760 » Good evening. My name is David McFersonen 1131 01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:46,480 and I'm representing the property owner VJ Perk and his wife who are also the 1132 01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:51,679 owners of the Turkey Point Shopping Center which is directly across the 1133 01:34:48,480 --> 01:34:56,320 street from this house. Much of the planner's report speaks to 1134 01:34:53,679 --> 01:35:01,760 the proposed dwelling being imposing, too large, and out of character with the 1135 01:34:58,480 --> 01:35:07,679 surrounding neighborhood. I suggest that this is not the case at all. 1136 01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:11,120 The proposed dwelling is not at all imposing 1137 01:35:09,199 --> 01:35:17,440 at the street level, nor does it create a massing of scale inconsistent with the 1138 01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:23,040 existing streetscape is actually rather small so far as new 1139 01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:28,080 builds in Turkey Point are concerned. The application was deferred from the 1140 01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:34,159 June committee meeting as the owner wanted to reduce the square footage to 1141 01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:40,080 provide a 1.2 2 m sideyard setback on the right hand side and to increase the 1142 01:35:36,719 --> 01:35:45,280 interior dimension of the garage to meet the parking space requirement identified 1143 01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:49,280 by the building department. We have moved the dwelling back from the 1144 01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:53,719 front property line in order to have a full width deck 1145 01:35:53,840 --> 01:36:04,000 on the owner's own property. As you can see on the uh cover photo uh 1146 01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:09,920 behind me, the existing front porch and steps are all on the road allowance. So, 1147 01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:17,360 we've moved the building back so that the dwelling and the deck and the steps 1148 01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:23,280 are all on private property. The existing rear deck has also been 1149 01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:28,320 reduced in size to provide more space for a new septic system. 1150 01:36:26,159 --> 01:36:34,960 This is not the big imposing dwelling that the planning report makes it out to 1151 01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:39,040 be. It is in fact the same footprint as the existing dwelling 1152 01:36:37,440 --> 01:36:47,440 with the exception that there's a proposed second story and a single car 1153 01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:52,159 attached garage on the ground floor size-wise. 1154 01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:59,840 And I did submit all of the architectural plans with my application. 1155 01:36:55,360 --> 01:37:06,360 The footprint is only 1,07 square ft plus a 290 square ft garage. 1156 01:37:10,159 --> 01:37:20,080 Compared to cottages being built today, this is quite a modest build indeed. I 1157 01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:28,480 chose the intersection of Reserve and Cedar and Turkey Point Road and Cedar as 1158 01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:35,520 my neighborhood to investigate for this proposal. In that neighborhood are 49 1159 01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:41,360 twostory dwellings. And I'm passing around 1160 01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:47,040 pictures of all 49 of those two-story dwellings. 1161 01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:52,480 The first one on top is the dwelling of the former owner of 1162 01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:57,040 the Turkey Point Shopping Center. And that dwelling is right directly across 1163 01:37:55,040 --> 01:38:01,760 the road. All of these pictures that you see of 1164 01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:08,639 twotory dwellings in those two street intersections 1165 01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:11,639 are larger than what we're proposing here. 1166 01:38:13,119 --> 01:38:16,800 As for the amenity space, >> one minute David, 1167 01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:21,360 » sorry, >> one minute. 1168 01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:28,080 » Being concerned, 50% of the lot is open landscaped area, plus there is a 1169 01:38:24,639 --> 01:38:32,320 front deck and a rear deck. LPRCA submitted their usual comment regarding 1170 01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:36,800 safe access without considering that both LPRCA 1171 01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:42,400 board of directors and Norfolk County Council have approved resolutions 1172 01:38:39,440 --> 01:38:48,320 guaranteeing safe access. The building department has questioned the septic 1173 01:38:44,159 --> 01:38:54,000 system. This building has two bedrooms and only one washroom. A new septic 1174 01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:58,560 system design has been submitted to the building department that we believe 1175 01:38:55,760 --> 01:39:04,239 complies with the Ontario building code. This system meets all required setbacks 1176 01:39:01,119 --> 01:39:08,480 and is sized sufficiently to support the proposed dwelling. The building 1177 01:39:06,639 --> 01:39:13,600 department also flagged the overhead hydro service wire as an issue. 1178 01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:19,199 So I have booked a site meeting with hydro1 1179 01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:23,679 to find a solution to that. I have addressed all of the issues 1180 01:39:21,199 --> 01:39:28,400 raised in the planning report and I maintain that this application is quite 1181 01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:33,280 minor in nature. Therefore, I respectfully ask that you approve this 1182 01:39:30,719 --> 01:39:38,239 application and I'm here to answer any questions you may have. 1183 01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:41,239 » Okay. Thank you. Right on time. Questions? 1184 01:39:41,679 --> 01:39:49,199 No. I have one. The eaves will the eaves 1185 01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:54,800 overhang the property lines. >> The eaves will not overhang the property 1186 01:39:51,760 --> 01:40:04,960 line. On the right hand side there is a 1.2 2 m setback. And on the left hand 1187 01:40:00,239 --> 01:40:14,880 side, my application seeks relief um similar to uh a proposal I did on 1188 01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:18,880 ordinance tav to have the eve um meet the property line but not overhang 1189 01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:23,440 it. And that includes the eve trough. The eve trough will not overhang the 1190 01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:32,239 property line. Um the building department did also flag an issue about 1191 01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:37,360 um the lefthand wall. In my architectural drawings that I 1192 01:40:34,480 --> 01:40:41,119 supplied, I provided uh documentation 1193 01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:45,119 to show how that wall will be constructed to meet the limiting 1194 01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:47,600 distance requirement. >> Okay. Thank you. 1195 01:40:46,159 --> 01:40:51,440 » So I think I've covered everything. >> Okay. Thank you. Anybody have a question 1196 01:40:50,239 --> 01:40:57,119 at all? Linda, >> just a comment that from the drawing it 1197 01:40:54,000 --> 01:41:03,159 does appear that the eve hangs over >> the drawing in the report. 1198 01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:03,159 » It does. 1199 01:41:05,199 --> 01:41:10,480 » Is can you go to the drawing in the report? 1200 01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:14,080 » Can you project that drawing? >> We don't have it. 1201 01:41:11,440 --> 01:41:17,840 » It's in the report that was provided. >> The the eve does not overhang. 1202 01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:23,119 » Okay. All right. 1203 01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:28,000 Anybody else? Okay, I'll go to the audience. Is there anyone present that 1204 01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:32,199 wishes to speak to this application? Yes, sir. Step right up. 1205 01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:36,600 Easy. 1206 01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:46,400 Uh, good afternoon or good evening. Uh, Jerry Rob goes my name. I'm uh live at 1207 01:41:43,199 --> 01:41:52,480 229 Cedar Drive and I'm just a concerned neighbor uh 1208 01:41:49,199 --> 01:42:02,800 that backs onto this property uh with the additional um uh relief of 36.6 uh 1209 01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:07,760 coverage to to uh to the extension of uh 51.6. 1210 01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:14,719 their deck uh currently is on the back of the property and I I 1211 01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:22,719 really uh see that they're extending the deck considerably back to my property 1212 01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:29,119 and uh with with the additional size of the property and building uh does this 1213 01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:31,520 property have a drainage plan? Maybe you could answer. 1214 01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:34,239 » So typically it Yes, >> it does. 1215 01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:37,679 » It does. So typically a drainage >> So typically a drainage plan comes into 1216 01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:40,639 play at the building department or the building permit stage, 1217 01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:42,320 » but I've already submitted that in advance. 1218 01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:47,360 » Okay. Thank you. >> And does this meet meet the the uh the 1219 01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:50,880 requirements? >> It would if it's if it's approved, it 1220 01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:57,600 would have to. >> Okay. And secondly, um uh we currently 1221 01:42:54,159 --> 01:43:05,040 have a picture window facing Cedar Drive uh viewing past their backyard. And and 1222 01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:11,360 with with this uh I just wonder if uh uh this would uh uh 1223 01:43:08,719 --> 01:43:15,119 uh how high is this building? I I don't see any measurements on the height of 1224 01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:19,600 this. It >> should be on the drawing. 1225 01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:24,400 Could somebody >> I'm not sure if it's in the in your 1226 01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:28,800 report that that's been submitted to committee, but I did submit 1227 01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:32,239 architectural drawings and I >> you're not you're not seeking 1228 01:43:30,719 --> 01:43:35,440 » the maximum height requirement. >> And what is that? 1229 01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:41,840 » 9.1 m. >> 9 What is that in feet or what? What is 1230 01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:44,560 that in? Is that two? That's a twotory plus a 1231 01:43:42,719 --> 01:43:50,199 » That's a twotory plus a roof. >> Plus a roof. So, what's the total height 1232 01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:50,199 of this building? 1233 01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:57,199 » I can't I can't tell you right. >> See, I I couldn't 1234 01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:59,440 » less than it's less than the 9.1 m. >> So, David, you're not asking for relief 1235 01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:02,080 on height. >> I'm not asking. 1236 01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:05,360 » So, it's it's it's within the It's within the bylaw. 1237 01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:12,480 » Okay. Yeah. Okay. I just couldn't tell what height it was going and whether you 1238 01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:18,480 know I realized that views change from uh neighborhood to neighborhood. But in 1239 01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:25,760 our area um it it there is a couple buildings 1240 01:44:21,679 --> 01:44:30,800 that are twotory but uh not not directly in front of us. So just a concerned okay 1241 01:44:28,719 --> 01:44:32,719 » neighbor. All right. Thank you. Dilly noted 1242 01:44:31,199 --> 01:44:35,760 » answer your question. We just looked at the plans. 29T 10 to the peak of the 1243 01:44:35,440 --> 01:44:39,440 roof >> to the peak. So that's fair size. That's 1244 01:44:38,639 --> 01:44:42,159 a fair size. >> It's a twotory. 1245 01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:46,960 » Yeah. >> Can I Can I make a comment to answer one 1246 01:44:45,679 --> 01:44:53,199 of his questions? Sure. >> The increase in lot coverage is only 1247 01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:56,960 because of the attached garage. >> Okay. 1248 01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:59,199 » It um my >> It's not a back and forth. 1249 01:44:58,719 --> 01:45:02,400 » Sorry. >> It's not a back and forth from the 1250 01:45:00,639 --> 01:45:05,520 audience. I'm sorry, but that's that's what that covers. Okay. Is the attached 1251 01:45:04,719 --> 01:45:08,639 garage. >> All right. Is there anyone else present? 1252 01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:11,840 » Other than that, it's the same footprint. 1253 01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:17,320 » Okay. Is there anyone else present that wishes to speak to this application? 1254 01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:17,320 Yes, sir. Step right up. 1255 01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:23,280 » Hey, how are you? >> Good. 1256 01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:26,159 » Jason Young. I live >> Speak up. 1257 01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:32,639 » Uh Jason Young. My name is Jason Young. I live directly to the right. So, uh, 1258 01:45:29,679 --> 01:45:39,199 all I'm concerned about is the driveway, our driveway and the 1259 01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:45,360 property line. Here it says nothing about the right side. And here it says 1260 01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:49,440 it's back to you're asking for relief again. I talked 1261 01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:52,480 to VJ myself cuz he's my neighbor. >> Yes. 1262 01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:57,280 » And he said that that was a it was a mistake that they were asking for 1263 01:45:55,360 --> 01:46:01,840 that extra. and he got it rectified. So I said, 1264 01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:04,800 "Hey, we're good." And then I see that it's changed again and they're asking 1265 01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:08,960 for it. >> This is not a conversation. 1266 01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:13,520 » You have to speak into the microphone so we can hear you. 1267 01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:17,360 » Yes. Sorry. Yes. So originally even on this document here, 1268 01:46:16,159 --> 01:46:25,520 » okay, >> states nothing about the right interior 1269 01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:30,800 uh property line. But yet on this one it states that it's they're back to asking 1270 01:46:27,679 --> 01:46:33,840 for the >> left. 1271 01:46:31,679 --> 01:46:35,760 » Yes, exactly. Left and right. >> I'll ask 1272 01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:40,000 » interior. >> I'll ask the consultant to briefly 1273 01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:41,520 comment on that. >> Confirmation. 1274 01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:45,679 » Okay. >> That's what we're here for. 1275 01:46:43,199 --> 01:46:51,520 » That notice was said with incorrect information and I reached out to 1276 01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:56,159 planning to have it corrected. Um the mapping was also incorrect and I don't 1277 01:46:53,840 --> 01:47:01,440 know if that's what he has but the initial mail had a the an incorrect map 1278 01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:06,800 on it. >> Yeah. 1279 01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:09,119 » So I I made a an effort to have that corrected as fast as I could. 1280 01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:14,159 » Okay. >> I can't speak to what was done but I did 1281 01:47:12,159 --> 01:47:17,119 reach out to them. >> Councelor uh Barry 1282 01:47:16,239 --> 01:47:20,880 » is correct. >> Okay. All right. It's and the only 1283 01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:27,760 reason I asked that is because it's our only parking. So if indeed it is being 1284 01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:32,000 taken then I will not have any parking. >> Our lots are so skinny we there's no 1285 01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:34,880 available I have to park on my front lawn. 1286 01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:38,320 » Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Thank you Dave. Go. 1287 01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:45,119 » That was part of the deferral is because VJ wanted to reduce 1288 01:47:41,679 --> 01:47:48,480 the size of the building so that we could maintain 1.2 2 meters to his 1289 01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:53,920 property. >> Okay. Anybody else wishes to speak to 1290 01:47:51,199 --> 01:47:58,800 this application? >> No. Okay. Thanks, Dave. 1291 01:47:56,719 --> 01:48:03,520 » Okay. >> We have a recommendation for refusal, 1292 01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:08,280 a mover, seconder, or an alternative. 1293 01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:17,280 Don't everybody jump up at once. 1294 01:48:18,639 --> 01:48:24,719 Councelor Van Passen. Um, 1295 01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:30,239 generally I would just straight out say no. It's just too much. Uh, it's too 1296 01:48:28,480 --> 01:48:35,600 close to the road. There's no parking spots because they're not going to leave 1297 01:48:32,239 --> 01:48:39,679 the garage empty. Um, I do get enough complaints about lack of parking in 1298 01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:46,159 Turkey Point already. I don't want to aggravate that, but I wonder whether 1299 01:48:43,440 --> 01:48:52,159 they we could defer it and have them reduce it or just eliminate the garage 1300 01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:58,719 and leave a driveway there or something. Um whether there's enough room that they 1301 01:48:56,159 --> 01:49:04,400 could amend this application, but I'm not sure there even would be. I think it 1302 01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:08,400 like there's just way too many things to fix. like whether the se there's enough 1303 01:49:06,159 --> 01:49:12,880 room for a septic and well they don't really know. They got a plan that'll 1304 01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:17,679 hopefully work. Um you know we're running our eaves troughs right up to 1305 01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:19,679 the property line. So it I'd move that we defer it. 1306 01:49:18,480 --> 01:49:24,000 » I was just going to ask you if that was a motion to defer 1307 01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:28,320 » but I wonder maybe I need to ask that. Is there any 1308 01:49:26,239 --> 01:49:31,920 solution that they can amend the current application? Well, let's 1309 01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:33,840 » that would count as doing an amendment to 1310 01:49:32,159 --> 01:49:38,560 » Let's ask our fabulous planning staff for a comment, 1311 01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:43,719 » Andrew or 1312 01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:43,719 do you want to 1313 01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:52,639 » through the chair and Andrew feel free to um add to what I'm about to say, but 1314 01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:57,920 yeah, through the deferral process if if that is something that um you're looking 1315 01:49:55,360 --> 01:50:02,880 to do in terms of the agent and look to work with staff That is definitely 1316 01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:09,280 something we would be willing to do. Um, so I'll I'll leave it there. 1317 01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:13,280 » Okay, we can add that to the minutes or >> as a condition maybe or 1318 01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:16,800 » if I just move it out of deferral. Uh, you know that I just want to save the 1319 01:50:14,719 --> 01:50:20,239 applicant some money and not have to apply for a complete new one. So, we'll 1320 01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:23,920 move to defer it. >> Okay. Seconder. Councelor Barry, you're 1321 01:50:23,119 --> 01:50:26,880 seconding. >> Yes. 1322 01:50:24,480 --> 01:50:33,320 » Okay. Thank you. Motion for deferral. All in favor? 1323 01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:33,320 That's carried. 1324 01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:48,920 Okay. Where's that stamp? 1325 01:50:55,040 --> 01:51:00,480 Okay. NPL 2026161 and the planner can give the report 1326 01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:03,920 please. >> Uh through the chair. Thank you. An 1327 01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:10,239 applicant has been or an application has been uh requesting relief of 3.5 m from 1328 01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:16,880 the minimum required exterior sideyard setback of 6 m to permit an exterior 1329 01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:21,199 sideyard setback of 2.5 m to allow for the construction of a building in the 1330 01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:27,199 general industrial zone. The subject lands are located at 10 Arnold Seo Drive 1331 01:51:24,239 --> 01:51:31,280 at the intersection of Highway 59. The area of the subject lands is 1332 01:51:28,639 --> 01:51:36,560 approximately 2,169.5 square meters with approximately 53.3 m 1333 01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:40,960 of frontage on the south side of Arnold Seo Drive. The subject lands are 1334 01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:45,360 occupied by an existing building, garbage shed, and three shipping 1335 01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:50,639 containers with one to be removed. Surrounding land uses are commercial, 1336 01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:54,719 industrial, and residential. Staff notes that the property is under site plan 1337 01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:59,360 control and that the owner will need to uh apply for site plan approval prior to 1338 01:51:57,040 --> 01:52:03,920 the issuance of a building permit. The proposal was circulated to the Ministry 1339 01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:10,000 of Transportation uh for review and comments. The owner must submit plans to 1340 01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:15,040 the MTO uh for land development review. The landowner is also required to apply 1341 01:52:12,159 --> 01:52:19,599 for and obtain uh building permits and land use permits from the MTO prior to 1342 01:52:17,679 --> 01:52:23,520 the issuance of any building con permit or any building construction. Given the 1343 01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:27,520 above, it is the professional opinion of the planning staff. This proposal meets 1344 01:52:25,679 --> 01:52:31,520 the forecast for the planning of a planning act for a minor variance and 1345 01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:35,360 therefore is recommended for approval. Thank you. 1346 01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:40,639 » Okay. Thank you. Any questions? Is there an agent or applicant present? 1347 01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:46,800 applicant. >> Okay. An agent. Okay. Anything to add? 1348 01:52:43,679 --> 01:52:53,000 » Nothing to add. Uh is there anyone present in the audience or online that 1349 01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:53,000 wishes to speak to this application? 1350 01:52:53,199 --> 01:52:58,920 No. Recommendation for approval? Phil, 1351 01:52:59,119 --> 01:53:02,119 Linda? 1352 01:53:04,480 --> 01:53:12,119 20 uh 2026161. All in favor? That's carried. 1353 01:53:23,599 --> 01:53:27,560 BNPL 2026124. 1354 01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:33,599 Uh, yep. And one, uh, the planner can give the report, please. 1355 01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:37,520 » Thank you. Through the chair, an application has been received to sever a 1356 01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:43,520 parcel having a frontage of 0 m and irregular width and irregular depth and 1357 01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:49,599 having an area of 6,818.07 m and retain a parcel having an area of 1358 01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:53,119 approximately 3,800 m as a result of a boundary adjustment. Lands are to be 1359 01:53:51,440 --> 01:53:57,840 added to the existing parcel directly adjacent to the south located at 425 1360 01:53:55,520 --> 01:54:04,880 Queensway West. The final lot size will be approximately 3 thou 13,90.7 1361 01:54:01,599 --> 01:54:08,800 m. The subject lands are located at 421 Queensway West between Park Road and 1362 01:54:06,639 --> 01:54:12,320 Hunt Street North in the town of Simco and Geographic Township of Windham. The 1363 01:54:11,119 --> 01:54:17,440 area of the subject lands is approximately 1.06 hectares with 1364 01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:20,960 approximately 61.88 meters of frontage on the north side of Queensway West. The 1365 01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:24,880 subject lands are occupied by a commercial building with multiple units 1366 01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:29,040 and a parking lot. The lands benefiting from the proposed boundary adjustment 1367 01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:33,199 are located at 425 Queensway West and have an area of approximately 0.63 63 1368 01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:36,480 hectares. The benefiting lands are currently occupied by a commercial 1369 01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:39,679 building. A portion of the proposed boundary adjusted lands are zoned hazard 1370 01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:44,400 land and proincially significant wetlands and contain significant wet 1371 01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:48,080 woodlands as well. However, no development or site alteration is 1372 01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:51,840 proposed as part of this application. The subject application seeks to expand 1373 01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:55,360 the parking area and transfer ownership by way of a boundary adjustment of the 1374 01:54:53,679 --> 01:54:59,840 flag shaped rear portion of the lot located at 421 Queensway West to the 1375 01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:03,920 benefiting lands located at 425 Queensway West. Due to the existing lot 1376 01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:07,040 configuration, the boundary adjusted area is currently located directly 1377 01:55:05,360 --> 01:55:10,880 behind the benefiting lands. It would make a logical extension of the lot. The 1378 01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:15,520 proposal is consistent with the planning act PPS 2024, conforms with the official 1379 01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:18,800 plan and complies to the general intent and purpose of the zoning bylaw. And 1380 01:55:17,199 --> 01:55:24,159 given this, the proposal is recommended for approval. 1381 01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:28,080 » Okay. Thank you. Any questions? Is there an agent or applicant anything 1382 01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:34,199 to add? >> Nothing to add. 1383 01:55:31,199 --> 01:55:34,199 » Sorry. 1384 01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:53,599 Is there anyone present that wishes to speak to this application? 1385 01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:56,800 » And we have one. And let's What's her name? 1386 01:55:56,080 --> 01:56:02,080 » Christine. >> Christine, go ahead. 1387 01:55:59,920 --> 01:56:08,080 » Good evening. Um, my name is Christine Hill and I'm the owner of 417 Queensway 1388 01:56:05,599 --> 01:56:14,159 West along with my husband Zachary. He's just sitting beside me here. Um, we are 1389 01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:18,880 just speaking on this matter as of course our property is immediately 1390 01:56:16,159 --> 01:56:22,320 beside it and now you just touched on it and pretty much answered our questions 1391 01:56:20,639 --> 01:56:26,239 anyways, but our concern is for the provinially significant wetlands and 1392 01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:32,560 woodlands that are part of that property. Um, given that um, deers and 1393 01:56:30,639 --> 01:56:36,960 concerts are an automotive based business and we of course support and 1394 01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:42,719 respect that. Um, our primary concern would be though the parking of leaking 1395 01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:46,800 cars, cars that need service, um, cars that are being sent out to the auction 1396 01:56:44,159 --> 01:56:51,679 being parked on those, um, back flooded areas where those contaminants could 1397 01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:56,159 affect the local environment. Um, and also that any lighting that would be 1398 01:56:53,920 --> 01:57:00,880 brought in for security purposes to that backwood lot would perhaps be um in 1399 01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:03,840 keeping with the fact that it is immediately beside a residential home 1400 01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:08,400 and that we would not want it lit up like an airport um at all hours of the 1401 01:57:06,639 --> 01:57:12,880 night. >> Okay, I'll see if I can get planning 1402 01:57:11,119 --> 01:57:16,080 staff to comment >> uh through the chair. From my 1403 01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:20,000 understanding, there will be no site alteration or lights added to the 1404 01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:23,760 parking lot. It's just going to continue as it currently exists. There'll be no 1405 01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:27,360 changes to the parking lot that I know of. I don't know if the agent has any no 1406 01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:30,360 further comments from the agent about that. 1407 01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:40,159 » The agent indicates the same status quo, I guess. Okay. 1408 01:57:39,599 --> 01:57:42,480 Christine, >> thank you for answering my question. I 1409 01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:49,280 appreciate it. >> Okay. Thank you, Linda. 1410 01:57:44,639 --> 01:57:51,119 » Question for the agent. Um, you might as well. 1411 01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:54,440 » We're going to get you up there one way or the other. 1412 01:57:55,040 --> 01:58:02,080 » Would this property be under site plan control? So, if there were changes made, 1413 01:57:59,599 --> 01:58:06,880 it would be required to be approved under site plan control. 1414 01:58:05,199 --> 01:58:11,360 Uh, sorry, uh, through the chair. Um, the a 1415 01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:14,880 portion of the property is under site plan control. Um but it's my 1416 01:58:13,119 --> 01:58:21,760 understanding that the hazard land um area is not. Um but I can just maybe 1417 01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:26,080 look to planning staff to confirm that. Uh through the chair, it looks like the 1418 01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:30,400 entire property is under site plan control. So if anything were to change 1419 01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:33,360 on the property, they would have to go through site plan approval, whether that 1420 01:58:31,920 --> 01:58:38,159 be through a site plan waiver or a formal site plan application. 1421 01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:42,080 » Okay. Um through the chair, I can also add that no structures are permitted 1422 01:58:39,599 --> 01:58:47,679 within the hazard land and the um applicant will continue to use it for 1423 01:58:44,159 --> 01:58:52,760 parking as um Olivia mentioned. >> Okay, Christine, does that satisfy your 1424 01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:52,760 concerns? 1425 01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:58,719 » It does. Thank you very much everybody. >> Okay, thank you very much. Is there 1426 01:58:57,280 --> 01:59:03,920 anybody else that wishes to speak to this application? 1427 01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:09,639 No. Okay. Thanks, Kayla. Uh, we have a recommendation for 1428 01:59:05,599 --> 01:59:09,639 approval, Lisa 1429 01:59:11,119 --> 01:59:22,040 and Phil. BNPL 2026124. All in favor? 1430 01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:22,040 And that's carried. 1431 01:59:25,599 --> 01:59:29,560 Well, we're getting down there. 1432 01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:42,239 NPL 2026170 and the planner can give the report 1433 01:59:39,280 --> 01:59:47,360 please. Thank you. Through the chair, an application has been received to seek 1434 01:59:44,239 --> 01:59:52,320 relief of 16.4 hectares from the required lot area of 40 hectares to 1435 01:59:49,920 --> 01:59:56,080 permit a total lot area of 23.62 hectares within the egg zone as a 1436 01:59:54,719 --> 02:00:02,199 condition of a previous boundary adjustment. BP uh BNPL 2024242 1437 02:00:02,719 --> 02:00:12,080 and uh Ontario Land Tribunal file number OLT 24 0001058. 1438 02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:16,239 The subject lands are located at the corner of Highway 3 and Middleton Church 1439 02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:20,320 Road to the east of Portland um 1440 02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:24,639 in the geographic township of Middleton. It is both zoned and designated 1441 02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:31,360 agricultural. Uh the area of the subject lands is approximately 23.6 1442 02:00:28,159 --> 02:00:36,320 hectares with approximately 197 meters of frontage on the north side of highway 1443 02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:40,000 3. The subject lands are occupied by an existing single detached dwelling 1444 02:00:38,159 --> 02:00:44,880 accessory detached garage and two agricultural buildings. The application 1445 02:00:42,639 --> 02:00:51,440 seeks relief from the minimum 40 hectare lot requirement to permit uh a minimum 1446 02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:57,199 lot area of 23.62 62 hectares in the egg zone to satisfy a condition of consent 1447 02:00:53,520 --> 02:01:01,199 file NPL 2024242. Uh the lot was already undersized prior 1448 02:00:59,440 --> 02:01:05,920 to the minor boundary adjustment approved by committee and the Ontario 1449 02:01:03,360 --> 02:01:10,960 Land Tribunal. Uh given the minor nature of the boundary adjustment of 1450 02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:15,440 approximately 0.07 acres, the retained lot while smaller remains largely 1451 02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:19,119 unchanged in lot area. Given this was a legal non-complying lot prior to the 1452 02:01:17,199 --> 02:01:22,960 boundary adjustment, it is considered that this minor reduction in lot size 1453 02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:27,360 can be considered appropriate and in keeping with the intent and purpose of 1454 02:01:24,400 --> 02:01:31,280 the zoning bylaw. Uh it should be noted that the applicant's appeal to the O2 is 1455 02:01:29,360 --> 02:01:36,560 based on the Ministry of Transportation imposed conditions uh relating to an 1456 02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:42,159 existing driveway access and an existing shed located on the adjacent property. 1457 02:01:39,520 --> 02:01:45,599 The uh tribunal opined that the MTO conditions were unreasonable and were 1458 02:01:43,599 --> 02:01:51,040 stricken from the provisional consent approval granted by the committee of 1459 02:01:47,199 --> 02:01:55,360 adjustment on September 18th, 2024. The OOLT decision has no implications on the 1460 02:01:53,199 --> 02:01:59,440 current minor variance application beyond confirming that a minor variance 1461 02:01:57,119 --> 02:02:03,199 for deficient lot size of the retained lands remained a condition of the 1462 02:02:01,199 --> 02:02:06,239 consent approval. Uh given the above, it is the 1463 02:02:04,719 --> 02:02:11,119 professional opinion of planning staff that this proposal meets the four tests 1464 02:02:08,560 --> 02:02:16,000 of a minor variance. This proposal is recommended for approval. Thank you. 1465 02:02:13,199 --> 02:02:22,400 » Okay. Thank you. Any questions? Is there an agent or applicant present? 1466 02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:29,199 Yes. Anything to add? >> Sorry. Uh Paul Murray, I am legal 1467 02:02:26,480 --> 02:02:33,920 counsel for the retained landowner and just to add that this only arose as a 1468 02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:38,239 result of minor boundary adjustment that was required to bring the lands all into 1469 02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:43,119 compliance due to a slight encroachment of the neighboring garage and we agree 1470 02:02:40,639 --> 02:02:45,520 with everything that the planner has said in terms of their position on this 1471 02:02:44,800 --> 02:02:50,719 matter. >> Okay, thank you. And there that's your 1472 02:02:47,199 --> 02:02:57,719 representative. Okay, very good. Um, is there anyone else online or present that 1473 02:02:53,679 --> 02:02:57,719 wishes to speak to this application? 1474 02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:05,400 Okay, we have a recommendation for approval. Joel and Linda 1475 02:03:13,040 --> 02:03:19,719 PL 2026170. All in favor? That's carried. 1476 02:03:24,719 --> 02:03:31,840 And PL 2026131 uh planner can give the report please. 1477 02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:35,599 Thank you. Through the chair, an application's been received to seek 1478 02:03:33,440 --> 02:03:39,840 relief of 2 meters from the permitted maximum accessory building height of 6 1479 02:03:37,440 --> 02:03:44,719 meters to permit a total height of 8 mters and 314 square meters from the 1480 02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:49,840 permitted maximum accessory building usable floor area of 100 square meters 1481 02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:55,520 to permit a total total usable floor area of 414 square meters in the Hamlet 1482 02:03:53,040 --> 02:04:00,960 residential zone for a newly constructed existing detached garage outbuilding. 1483 02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:06,239 Uh the subject lands are located to the west of old highway 24 within the Hamlet 1484 02:04:03,199 --> 02:04:11,119 OP designation of Wilsonville. Uh the subject or the area of the subject lands 1485 02:04:08,239 --> 02:04:14,960 is approximately 0.9 hectares in area with approximately 66 meters of frontage 1486 02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:19,920 on the north side of concession three towns and the subject lands are occupied 1487 02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:23,599 by an existing single detached family dwelling and an existing garage out 1488 02:04:21,840 --> 02:04:27,760 building which is the subject of this application. An order to comply has been 1489 02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:31,679 placed on the subject property as it relates to the previously constructed 1490 02:04:29,840 --> 02:04:35,760 detached garage uh that was built without benefit of a building permit. In 1491 02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:39,840 order to bring the property into compliance, the applica applicant is 1492 02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:44,080 seeking relief from the maximum permitted height and usable floor area 1493 02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:49,840 in the zoning bylaw for the previously constructed detached garage. 1494 02:04:47,440 --> 02:04:54,000 Um, the application site is more than double the excuse me, the application 1495 02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:59,679 site is more than double the required lot area for a dwelling in the Hamlet 1496 02:04:56,080 --> 02:05:04,480 residential zone of 0.4 hectares. The proposed usable floor area of the garage 1497 02:05:01,679 --> 02:05:08,960 out building would be 314 square meters above the 100 meters allowed. Whilst 1498 02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:14,239 this is a significant increase in usable floor area, it accounts for less than 5% 1499 02:05:11,760 --> 02:05:18,239 of the lot coverage. The zoning bylaw would allow up to 10% lot coverage or 1500 02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:22,880 100 square meters, whichever is the lesser of the two. Given the lot size 1501 02:05:21,040 --> 02:05:26,719 and the limited impact the requested increase in maximum usable floor area 1502 02:05:25,119 --> 02:05:30,320 would have on the subject lands and neighboring properties. It is the 1503 02:05:28,560 --> 02:05:34,480 opinion of staff the requested increase in usable floor area for the detached 1504 02:05:32,080 --> 02:05:37,840 garage can be considered minor in this instance. 1505 02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:41,920 Additionally, the requested increase in height from the maximum permitted 6 1506 02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:45,920 meters to a maximum permitted 8 meters is considered minor. The garage 1507 02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:50,560 outbuilding is set well back behind the rear lot line of the adjacent dwelling 1508 02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:53,920 and to butts in agricultural field. The proposed height increase would not 1509 02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:58,400 result in any adverse impacts to the residential amenity of surrounding lands 1510 02:05:56,239 --> 02:06:02,480 and given the low slope of the roof, it appears to be as low as possible for the 1511 02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:05,840 structure given its footprint. Given the above, it is professional opinion of 1512 02:06:04,159 --> 02:06:09,760 planning staff that this proposal meets the four tests of a minor variance and 1513 02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:15,280 is recommended for approval. >> Okay. Thank you. Any questions? 1514 02:06:12,719 --> 02:06:20,400 Is there an agent or applicant present? And do you have anything to add? 1515 02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:26,080 » Okay. Thank you. Nothing to add. Is there anyone present online that wishes 1516 02:06:22,639 --> 02:06:33,440 to speak to this application? Seeing none, we have a a recommendation 1517 02:06:28,560 --> 02:06:33,440 for approval. Joe and Lisa. 1518 02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:47,280 Sorry, councelor Van Passan. Go ahead. >> I have a question for staff on 1519 02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:51,199 » um when I look at that building, it sure looks like either it's going to have an 1520 02:06:49,199 --> 02:06:56,159 accessory dwelling unit in it or it potentially could have. And I'm not sure 1521 02:06:54,320 --> 02:07:01,760 that it would meet the criteria. I don't think the far corner of the building 1522 02:06:57,440 --> 02:07:06,000 would be within the 40 m required. And I wonder if the intent is to have an 1523 02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:10,719 accessory line, which I got no problem with, um, shouldn't we also clean up 1524 02:07:08,960 --> 02:07:16,560 those other conditions like the floor area of an accessory was has to be what, 1525 02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:21,920 75 square meters in there? It has to be totally within 40 m of primary. Um, are 1526 02:07:20,239 --> 02:07:26,560 any of those conditions missing? Because again, I'd rather get it all cleaned up 1527 02:07:24,560 --> 02:07:31,840 at once rather than have come back when they get caught again doing something 1528 02:07:28,000 --> 02:07:36,159 else. And I also noticed that there is driveways that you're not allowed to 1529 02:07:33,760 --> 02:07:39,679 have two driveways and maybe they got to take that one driveway out because they 1530 02:07:38,239 --> 02:07:42,560 probably didn't get a permit for that. They didn't get a permit to build this 1531 02:07:41,119 --> 02:07:47,520 building. I know they got a permit to build the driveway. So I, you know, they 1532 02:07:45,520 --> 02:07:51,040 would give me a letter from the road engineering that their conditions are 1533 02:07:49,440 --> 02:07:55,199 satisfied and they've removed that other driveway. So um is that does that make 1534 02:07:53,840 --> 02:07:56,719 sense? >> That's the question. 1535 02:07:56,320 --> 02:07:59,840 » Yes. >> Okay. 1536 02:07:58,480 --> 02:08:02,159 Andrew >> through the chair. 1537 02:08:00,719 --> 02:08:06,400 » I knew there was a question. >> Um, basically we have to look at things 1538 02:08:04,560 --> 02:08:11,360 as they're presented and submitted to us. There is no second story to that 1539 02:08:09,360 --> 02:08:16,800 building. It is just a singlestory building. Yes, I myself when I first saw 1540 02:08:14,079 --> 02:08:20,800 it thought, oo, this has an ARD written all over it. However, they've not 1541 02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:26,239 applied for that. So, we couldn't condition it um to require them to meet 1542 02:08:24,719 --> 02:08:30,639 conditions of something they've not applied for. 1543 02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:34,079 um if in the future they decide that they want to put an ARDU into that 1544 02:08:32,719 --> 02:08:39,440 building, then they'll have to come back for another minor variance. Um and 1545 02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:44,880 that's about all that they can do. We can't we can't for guess and try and and 1546 02:08:42,880 --> 02:08:49,840 condition away every possibility that could happen in the future. In terms of 1547 02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:54,719 the road or the second driveway, I don't know. Um, I didn't actually uh notice 1548 02:08:52,400 --> 02:09:01,280 whether or not it was a new driveway or an existing uh vehicle access that was 1549 02:08:58,320 --> 02:09:05,679 just upgraded. Um, if it's existing, then there would have been no need for 1550 02:09:03,040 --> 02:09:09,679 an entrance permit. Um, if it's new, then they probably would have needed an 1551 02:09:07,119 --> 02:09:12,400 entrance permit. Um, and that's something that will be dealt with when 1552 02:09:10,880 --> 02:09:16,560 they get back to permits after getting their minor varants. Well, I I don't 1553 02:09:14,719 --> 02:09:21,119 think any of that existed 5 years ago when you look at the aerial photography, 1554 02:09:18,159 --> 02:09:26,079 but um that is actually my sort of point that if there and maybe the agent should 1555 02:09:23,440 --> 02:09:30,079 look and ask or answer this if they think they may want an accessory 1556 02:09:27,760 --> 02:09:34,880 dwelling unit because when I look at a like even the picture you show here, a 1557 02:09:32,159 --> 02:09:41,679 beautiful front door with a a roof over it, windows on the second floor, um and 1558 02:09:39,199 --> 02:09:45,520 I just pending covering it down that would save them having to come back 1559 02:09:43,520 --> 02:09:50,079 later and apply all over again and pay the money twice. So maybe the agent is 1560 02:09:47,840 --> 02:09:56,400 there any intent of >> that was brought up and the intent was 1561 02:09:54,960 --> 02:10:02,719 » so I think you should come up to the microphone and get this on the record 1562 02:10:00,400 --> 02:10:07,920 put these conditions in all the time in especially on boat houses point when 1563 02:10:05,040 --> 02:10:11,360 they have a second floor for storage and they have to make sure it's not built in 1564 02:10:09,599 --> 02:10:14,960 such a way that possibly it becomes a bunky layer. She's made her way to the 1565 02:10:13,119 --> 02:10:20,560 microphone. Let's hear her response. >> So, there was prior discussion with the 1566 02:10:18,239 --> 02:10:24,960 owner on is there any future intent because we might as well loop it all in 1567 02:10:22,320 --> 02:10:26,639 in case you want to do that later. I was told no. 1568 02:10:26,320 --> 02:10:30,480 » Okay. >> So, I said, "Okay, here's my number. 1569 02:10:29,119 --> 02:10:34,239 Call me back >> if you do it later." 1570 02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:37,840 » Okay. Thank you. >> This would be the same owners who built 1571 02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:40,079 a 414 square meter building without a building 1572 02:10:39,599 --> 02:10:44,480 permit. >> Okay. Well, we're not we're not going to 1573 02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:48,560 surmise that anyway. >> Anything else? 1574 02:10:46,800 --> 02:10:55,599 » Rec. Oh, so we have a motion on the floor. Uh moved by Joe, second by Lisa. 1575 02:10:51,280 --> 02:11:00,719 All in favor? And uh opposed? Two opposed? 1576 02:10:57,679 --> 02:11:03,719 Still carried. Um, 1577 02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:22,400 okay. Last but certainly not least, BNPL 20226090. 1578 02:11:19,440 --> 02:11:25,280 The planner can give the report, please. >> Thank you. Through the chair, I'll be 1579 02:11:24,000 --> 02:11:29,760 presenting this on behalf of my colleague, Kendall. An application has 1580 02:11:28,079 --> 02:11:35,119 been received to sever a parcel having no frontage and a regular width and 1581 02:11:31,679 --> 02:11:40,800 depth and an area of 2300 square meters and to retain a parcel having an area of 1582 02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:44,480 74.6 hectares as a boundary adjustment in the Hamlet residential zone. The 1583 02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:50,000 lands will be added to the lot immediately adjacent to the east having 1584 02:11:46,719 --> 02:11:54,560 the address of 261 Talbot Street and a final lot size of 5,746 1585 02:11:52,960 --> 02:11:58,000 square meters. The subject lands are located on the 1586 02:11:56,400 --> 02:12:02,400 north side of Telbot Street, north of its intersection with Main Street of the 1587 02:11:59,920 --> 02:12:07,280 Ma with Main Street of Courtland within Courtland itself. Um 1588 02:12:05,360 --> 02:12:13,440 the area of the subject lands is approximately 2300 square meters with 1589 02:12:10,480 --> 02:12:17,520 approximately 31 mters of frontage onto Talbot Street. The lands proposed to be 1590 02:12:15,920 --> 02:12:23,520 added to the subject property are approximately 3,400 square meters with 1591 02:12:20,880 --> 02:12:27,920 no frontage. The subject lands are occupied by a single detached dwelling 1592 02:12:25,440 --> 02:12:32,159 and three accessory structures. The land the giving lands are farmed and occupied 1593 02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:36,400 by two single detached dwellings and several farm buildings, none of which 1594 02:12:33,760 --> 02:12:41,199 are located on the lands to be severed. The property seeks to sever a portion of 1595 02:12:38,400 --> 02:12:44,960 lands within the urban agric urban area of Courtland as a boundary adjustment 1596 02:12:43,520 --> 02:12:49,679 with the lands being used for residential purposes which is permitted 1597 02:12:46,960 --> 02:12:54,000 within settlement areas. The lands are designated urban residential, hazard 1598 02:12:51,599 --> 02:12:58,239 lands and agricultural with the lands to be severed being wholly designated as 1599 02:12:56,000 --> 02:13:02,719 urban residential and are intended to be added to the adjacent property. The 1600 02:13:01,040 --> 02:13:06,639 giving property and the proposed lands to be severed for the boundary 1601 02:13:03,840 --> 02:13:11,040 adjustment are as I say zoned uh hamlet residential which permits single 1602 02:13:08,639 --> 02:13:16,000 detached dwellings as a use. The severed lands would be added to a res an 1603 02:13:12,960 --> 02:13:21,599 existing residential lot to increase the amenity uh the amenity space of the lot. 1604 02:13:19,760 --> 02:13:25,760 The lands are not farmed and thus the removal of these lands would not 1605 02:13:22,960 --> 02:13:28,960 negatively affect farming operations. Uh it is the professional opinion of 1606 02:13:27,440 --> 02:13:33,199 planning staff the proposal meets the planning act. The PPS conforms with the 1607 02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:37,760 official plan and meets the intent and purpose of the zoning bylaw and this 1608 02:13:35,599 --> 02:13:45,960 proposal is recommended for approval. >> Okay. Thank you. Any questions? 1609 02:13:41,040 --> 02:13:45,960 Is there an agent or applicant online? 1610 02:13:47,679 --> 02:13:53,840 » There was. >> Yes, there is. 1611 02:13:51,440 --> 02:13:57,520 » Anything to add, sir? >> No, I'm just here to see it. 1612 02:13:55,840 --> 02:14:00,400 » Okay. What if we have questions? Are you okay 1613 02:13:59,040 --> 02:14:03,760 with that? >> Absolutely. 1614 02:14:01,199 --> 02:14:08,040 » Okay. Is there anyone present or on the line that wishes to speak to this 1615 02:14:05,040 --> 02:14:08,040 application? 1616 02:14:08,159 --> 02:14:16,159 Being none, uh, recommendation for approval. Move or second. Chris B, Chris 1617 02:14:14,960 --> 02:14:20,000 and Joe. >> Mr. Chairman, I think this it's a good 1618 02:14:18,239 --> 02:14:25,440 move. It's separated from the rest of the farm by municipal drain anyway, so 1619 02:14:21,840 --> 02:14:32,639 we're not really losing anything, right? >> BNPL 2026090. 1620 02:14:27,679 --> 02:14:39,280 All in favor? That's carried. Motion to adjurnn. 1621 02:14:35,679 --> 02:14:43,719 Linda Phil 712. Thank you everybody. We'll see you next 1622 02:14:40,719 --> 02:14:43,719 month.