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room 124
with the provisions of MGL chapter 38

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section 20. Notice is hereby given that
the planning board will meet on Tuesday,

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September 8th, 2026. It's in town hall,
meeting room 124. Members of the public

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are welcome to attend this in person at
1 Liberty Lane, Norfolk, Mass. Zoom

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connection provided. Please note that
the in-person meeting will not be

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suspended or terminated if technological
problems interrupt the remote

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connection.

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On the board to my left, we have Dan
Seager, preser

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» present.
>> I am Chris Montford. We have Melissa

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Mayo
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» And Gary Sullivan.
>> Hello.

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» All right. So, we're calling the meeting
to order and our first appointment is 5

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Sharon Avenue. Information discussion
regarding a parking lot expansion. Rich.

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» Yeah, sure.
>> Come on up. Sit down over here in that

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nice brown chair. Give us an intro
introduction of who you are and the

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location that you represent.
>> Okay. Hi, I'm um Hey Sona. Um I'm doctor

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and veterinarian. I'm open I'm uh plan
to open the veterinary hospital in the

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five Sharon. Um and before I open I um
like thinking maybe it's a good idea

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just to get a little extra parking space
uh for less like congestion and

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» like a traffic flow. So uh we're working
on the interior right now. So um maybe

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it's a good idea we can I can just uh
discuss this informally. Um so uh my

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goal is um like making approximately two
to four parking space. Um current

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parking space is four uh and have a one
accessible parking lot. So um

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uh so I was just uh that's a like I was
just checking um whether that's a good

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like a comfortable with a board and then
I'm going to hire um engineer and then

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surveyor um but I just want to hear
about

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um board.
>> Okay, sounds good. So this is the um

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property that was previously an animal
clinic at one point, right?

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» Yes. Yes, correct.
>> And um so you said that it has two spots

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now.
>> Um it has a four spot.

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» Has four spots. And do you want to add
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» Uh additional two to four.
>> Two to four. Okay.

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» All right.
>> It's kind of hard to see the

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» It's definitely zooming in there.
>> If it's easier, I can I print out some u

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picture.
>> I'm also looking at it on Google Maps.

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Um the street view is actually not that
bad besides the bulldozer that's sitting

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right in front of the house.
>> Um so the reason why I get some informal

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feedback is because
in terms of trying to put this the

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parking spaces in the front which would
be angle parking that that would require

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a special permit.
>> Yeah. So, I wanted to kind of get a

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sense from the board if that seems to be
something that the board would give

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consideration to before he gets into
doing design.

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» Yes.
>> Permaning.

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» Currently, as shown there, and I see
here on the on the uh street view, we've

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got the four spots there with kind of
like that hammer turn and then there's

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another driveway to the right of the
property as well. It has a couple of

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additional spaces. And so the proposed
location that you're looking at is right

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where the tree is.
>> Yes, correct.

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» Okay. So you would remove the tree and
clean up some of that landscaping and

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just expand out that way.
>> Yes.

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» Okay.

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Um
you do have a neighbor abuing you

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directly across the street.
>> Those are the new buildings.

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» That's commercial.
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And then you have somebody to your right
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And then I know there's an electrical
company further up the street as well

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before you get to the police station.
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Crowley still hasn't done anything on
that corner or no Crowley's on the other

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side on the opposite street.
>> Oh, yeah.

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» No, they haven't moved forward on that.
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» And then so we've got two residential
remaining on this street. Is that

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correct?
One, two.

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There's three.
>> Three residents.

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» Oh, yeah. Hold on. Sorry.
One, two. No, it's actually four.

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» Four. Okay.
>> 7 9 11 and six.

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» So, here's the thing for me. I'm not
vehemingly opposed to the idea

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considering the nature of the district
that you're in um and kind of like the

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changing nature of the property and the
area. Um, but I would be interested in

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hearing what the abuters have to say.
Um, not that we would make a decision

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solely off of their recommendations or
requests, but I do want to make sure

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that they're, you know, aware and
they're not concerned with, you know,

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too much of uh,
what's going on. I know there's a lot

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already going on in that neighborhood
and it's a lot of change, but um, I

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think it'd be valid to hear from them as
well. Any other comments from the board?

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» Are there plans to expand the clinic at
all or is the footprint of the building

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will be the same? Same amount
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easier like for the drop off and pick up
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» Mhm.
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» Mhm. But the capacity of the clinic
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» No, it'll be same.
>> And it looks like it's appointment only,

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not like an emergency clinic. You don't
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» no emergency just Yeah. Just a Yeah.
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» like a
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you're serving at that time.
>> Exactly. Exactly.

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» And no boarding or anything?
>> No boarding. Nothing.

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» The property next door 7
think might be close to could be in

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contingent right now.
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» right. Mhm.
>> I think um

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» do we know what the uh intended
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I had a couple realtors
that approached about somebody bringing

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their business like operate live there
but also operate their business.

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» And then the other two neighbors are
like decently set back. Yeah. on the

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opposite side.

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» Melissa, Gary, Hillary,
>> I'm okay with this. I

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» I think it's fine. But yeah, I mean, I
think it's fair to see what a butters

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have.
>> I agree. I think it definitely the flow

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would be better with the new design. Um,
and you know, as long as there's some

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nice landscaping out front, I think,
>> yeah, my only other concern would be,

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you know, that's going to be a pathway
that the police are going to be taking

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in and out of the station. And so, um,
somebody reversing as a police officer

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is coming down that could present a kind
of an issue. Um, so that's the only

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thing I'd like for you to make sure that
you're taking into consideration when

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you have the engineer on board and the
architect looking at this.

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» Okay, I got Um, but again, I I think
you've got a pretty decent signal to

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move forward to design and you know,
let's see what they come up with.

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» All right, sounds great. Yeah.
>> Anybody else?

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» Sounds good.
>> All right, awesome. Thank you so much.

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Looking forward to seeing what look
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» Thank you.

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» All right, that's our 6:30. Um, so can
we do eight Sharons? Stay on Sharon for

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now.
>> Sure. All right. So, request for

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occupancy.
Didn't get

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» I didn't hear back from um beta.
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permit on this one. Oh, picking my feet.

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The request is for

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Sorry, I got to get my brain around.
Sorry.

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So, I did reach out to Beta a couple of
times. Um, I sent them the asill plan

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and asked him to review that and
unfortunately I didn't even think to

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reach out to him today.

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» Was it permanent or
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I think they were looking for
permanent but

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Um I don't think they have

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cuz they don't have any temp right now.
>> What's that?

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» They don't have anything.
>> They don't have anything. No.

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» So I think the safest thing
or the the efficient thing to do would

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be to recommend a temp
>> at least until our next meeting.

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» I mean what's what's outstanding?
Uh they said nothing but

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» they said nothing but we haven't had B
to go out and do a site inspection

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compared to the the approved plan versus
the asbuilt to make sure that everything

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was
built to conformance with the approved

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site plan.
>> Yeah.

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» Um
>> I mean did they know that did they know

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that they were up for discussion today?
>> Yeah, I emailed I Yeah, I've emailed him

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a couple of times but
>> and nobody showed up

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» obviously talking about the owner.
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» nobody's here to represent. Yeah.
>> Yeah.

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» No, he's not.
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» one of the uh
>> Hold on. Let me check my

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So, the building inspector did give him
a temporary occupancy until tonight.

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» so I think if you don't mind, I think it
just makes sense to continue to next

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meeting.
That's the only thing I'd be willing to

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do.
>> I mean, that's essentially the only

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» Yeah,
>> that's the baseball one. The baseball.

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» Yeah. So, what give them a temporary
until next October?

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» Till October.
>> Good with this.

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» Sounds good.
>> All right. Looking for a motion to

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extend the temporary occupancy uh to 8
Sharons Avenue

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» to move October 13th.
>> Till October 13th.

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So moved.
>> Do I have a second?

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» Second.
>> All those in favor? I

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» All right. Hairs.
>> Thank you.

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» Valerie, you're up.
>> Um I had a couple edits. Did you see

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those in
>> I did. I did make those. Thank you.

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» So they were pretty minor. Like a word
here, a word there, but those were in

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the folder.

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» That's all I got for you.
>> All right. to uh review and approve the

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August 11, 2026 meeting minutes as
amended.

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» So moved.
>> Do I have a second?

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» Second.
>> All those in favor?

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» I.
>> All right. Thank you.

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We've got street acceptances. That'll be
a little bit of time. No,

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» not really.
>> 2 minutes.

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» Go pretty quick.
>> Let's go.

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Um
what I would ask the planning board

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would be to recommend to the select
board to accept Norway Norway Farms

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Drive. That's done.
>> Good.

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» It is done. There's a couple of things
they have to do, but at least this start

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there's a a patch that needs to be done,
but there's time. Um this so in terms of

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process
goes to select board. The select board's

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going to refer it back to you for a
recommendation which will include

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review. DPW's already been reviewing it.
>> Okay.

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» But DPW will make a recommendation back
to the plan board and then also back to

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the select board. But just to keep it on
queue to go forward, it would just be

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Norway Farm Drive. The other Bristol PT
states there's there's probably too many

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things that I'd be concerned we might
not be able to get done by the end of

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the calendar year.
>> Yeah.

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» So that one should wait for now.
>> And as far as I recall, we have a pretty

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healthy bond still in place
>> with for no. Yeah,

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» we just didn't we just last meeting
>> reduced it down.

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» We reduced it, but it's not like
>> Yeah.

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» Is that work going to be done and
complete before town meeting?

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» Yes.
>> Okay.

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» So, like if there's if they do that
work, we'll we'll be able to be pretty

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confident additional issues aren't going
to pop up.

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» Correct.
>> Yeah. And if they don't, we can say no

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by the time it comes back to us from the
select board.

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» Yes. Is that piece of sidewalk complete
that they were going to do from Norway

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Farms out to Medway, I believe?
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Road, I
>> believe. So,

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» y that's been done for a while.
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» Yeah.
>> Um the only thing there was a gate valve

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that needed to be patched that was at
the end of the closet from the we

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reduced the bond. You remember last?
>> Yep.

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» Last month,
>> the patch was the one thing that needed

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to be done. We've already have the
asbelt plans. funds but we need to

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» has beta gone through them yet.
>> So this is not going through

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peer review. Okay.
>> In terms of third party it's being done

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by our office and DPW.
>> Okay.

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» But um we have the asbel plans. I think
everything

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» just referred back to the DPW director.
Make sure everything's in order. But I

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think we're in pretty good shape. It
shouldn't be an issue to uh I know the

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association
pretty anxious to get the

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» Yeah, I bet. accept it over as a as a
town road.

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» Okay.
>> Like I said, if something were to come

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up, you could always be there's there's
time in the process. And

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» this was just those little like pothole
sink holes, right?

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» Sack.
>> Yeah. I'll be happy to put this one to

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bed soon.
>> Yeah. So, if you would recommend that

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for acceptance,
refer back to the select board, then

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they're going to refer back to you.
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We don't need to do like a hearing on
these, right?

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» No. Okay.
>> No, you don't do it. The the select

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board as the role commissioners will do
a

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meeting, not a hearing
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» um and so Bristol Pond, you're not sure
if that one's going to be done by town

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meeting. So, should we include that for
now and then?

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» No. Yeah, just discard that. So, that's
that's a future.

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» So, it's really just Norway Farms Drive.
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and Malard.
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Got it.
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» All right. So then looking for a motion
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Norway Farms Drive for uh street
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meeting.
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» All those in favor? I
>> All right.

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We've got our 645 Liberty Green, 7 and 9
Liberty Lane, review of conceptual site

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plan with PY Homes.
Please join us.

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» How you doing?
>> Hello.

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» Well, how are you?
>> Welcome back.

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» All right. Thank you very much. Uh, Ess
Petri with PY Homes in New England.

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Dan Skolski DMS Design. We're the
architects for the project.

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» And recognizing that this is kind of our
informal presentation to you guys. And

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really our goal here tonight is to give
you a high level uh overview of the

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project. I'll skip through some of the
formalities for tonight. Um and uh just

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because we're looking to get some
feedback with our expectation is we'd

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like to submit um for uh permit
application within the next month or so.

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So we're here tonight to to hear from
you and get some feedback. Um, so if you

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don't mind going to probably let's skip
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more skip please again I can go I'll go
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detail when we actually present but I
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actual site plan and project at this
point. Uh great. Yeah, this is perfect.

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Thank you. So, um, the image on the left
shows, uh, the project location just

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down the street from here from town hall
on Liberty Lane. And then on the right,

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uh, highlighted in red is the site
itself. I'm sure everyone is familiar

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with it. uh Liberty Lane uh traveling
kind of along the top of the screen. Uh

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the MBTA parking lot on uh the left if
you will of the site and then Meeting

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House Hill Road or excuse me, Meeting
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there's a couple condo associations uh
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is is pretty flat uh specifically along
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lot as you go up Meeting House Road. Uh
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um where the condos are and it's a about
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Liberty Lane. Next slide, please. Just a
couple of other graphics to help orient

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uh I want to in particularly call out uh
image one because we do feel that this

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is a really important um um site view
and and aspect of this location. This

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will kind of be the entryway coming from
town hall area um and uh kind of

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entering into the site area at the
intersection of meeting house. And then

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two is just kind of showing that slope
going up the hill there. And then the

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view uh at slide three is just uh uh
looking uh from at top of the hill kind

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of down back over the site uh towards um
Liberty uh lane. So uh next slide

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please. Uh, and just again I'm going
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to the meet for tonight. Um, we're happy
to spend as much time as as you want on

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on anything in particular, but um, you
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perspective um, it was really uh,
important for the design of this site.

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And as I mentioned, the elevation change
coming from Liberty Lane up meeting

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house is a roughly 30 foot elevation
change. It almost creates a a bowl uh if

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you will um from where you are at the
where uh the project level would be

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versus where the um foundation level of
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units up behind it. It's at least a 30
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And then another critical element that
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can see in the bottom left in the kind
of red dot rectangle. It's an existing

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drainage structure related to
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area. Um there was originally intended
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part of an overall larger development.
This drainage structure takes some of

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the drainage from the condo associations
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our project, we're obviously maintaining
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that. So that you know, although there
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there's a big chunk of land there, it's
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use. I think that you'll see we will try
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subsurface drainage system uh with an
opportunity for maybe a walking trail or

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something, but as far as any sort of a
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is off limits.
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yeah, right to the meat of the the site
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just under six acres total. Uh, what we
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residential buildings with, uh, garages
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uh, is proposed to have 27 two-bedroom
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these are all home ownership condos. So
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the garages will have uh 50 parking
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building.
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in the back there for the the homeowners
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areas, benches, and some some cafe style
um patio tables. Uh from a utility

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perspective, uh these are all electric
buildings. So um there's no gas or or um

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or fossil fuel on site. Um we have
coordinated with DPW at a high level

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from a water perspective. There's water
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perspective. There is um one of the few
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sewer and there is capacity there. And
um my we've we've had some initial

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conversations with the condo
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meet with them. Um they seem excited at
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some additional users on uh that uh that
sewer system. Uh and in talking with uh

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at least with the previous DPW director,
I we have not met with the new DPW

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director yet, but uh uh Blair had uh and
been con uh he convinced us or he was um

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uh confident that there was plenty of uh
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both a sewer and water perspective.
Uh so some of you may remember we've

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been, you know, kind of playing around
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year and a half, two years now. And uh
uh next slide please. Uh one more

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please. Um so this was kind of some of
the architecture that we originally

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presented. Uh we received uh a lot of
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perspective but also um from a a height
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propose you know from a residential
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anticipating to be within the the height
requirements of the 46 ft height. Um, we

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recognized there was a lot of discussion
when the the zoning change and amendment

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was going to place regarding four
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there was some discussion about an
opportunity to try and bury the fourth

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floor, so to speak, a little bit better
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Dan will do a much better job of of
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on and how they want to do that. And so
that's why we brought Dan and his team

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on to kind of uh dive into the
architecture with a little more detail

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um in in how we can kind of um you know
better meet what the the the fit was for

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this this area from a height perspective
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um Dan and his team next slide please. U
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iterations. This was one
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design review board
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two three weeks ago. Um got some great
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allowed us to further um adjust uh what
we're you know what we're looking to

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include from an architecture perspective
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You running now? Do you mind? Thank you.

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the design review board recently. Um and
again we got a lot of great feedback and

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then now we've taken that feedback and
further adjusted to uh next slide

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» What the
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with my left hand. Okay.
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turn it over to Dan to to speak to it
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» So, after after meeting with uh design
review board, they were um pretty clear

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and pretty friendly with the concept,
site usage, site coverage, unit count,

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and even and even the height. uh but
they felt that we're missing the mark a

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little bit on uh local downtown
regulations for for design and uh

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specifically in terms of um kind of
breaking down that mass, breaking down

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that box. So they they they had a lot of
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led to the moves that we did here. So um
we heard them, we went back, we we we

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reread the regulations and uh and and we
have this and what we're doing here are

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a couple different things. one we um by
the way just before again this be when

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we went into that meeting and everything
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identical they're mirror images of each
other but they're completely identical

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and for this one we're making uh one
change we think is meaningful which is

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creating this tower element that we see
on the right of this elevation over here

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um which is really that focal point if
you if you remember when ESI was

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presenting uh that was photograph number
one really the corner site meeting house

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road and and Liberty. That's, you know,
we coming out of downtown. It really

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marks the site and uh so we are adding a
little bit of height there to accomplish

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that. We are also uh adding a hipped
roof to that area and we are changing

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the siding that be some sort of a uh
vertical board and batten what we're

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we're proposing there and and the color
change will be there. So that really

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marks the site that element and and only
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on building two. The rest of the thing
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thing that we worked on is try to create
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striation in the thing. So we have some
we have some brick elements. We've got

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so the red is brick. We've got some blue
siding. Uh 4-in clapboard um would would

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be there. We did do have a mantar roof
to wrap the entire thing but we did

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break it in in strategic points. We
completely changed the design of the

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balconies. Previously, the balconies
were um can't leave and written. They

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were tied back with some with some metal
support rods and that seems to not fit

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the architecture of the town, sort of
the New England nature of the town. So,

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we went with more of a porch look.
These, this version has columns that go

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all the way down to the ground. And
also, um it gives a chance to have some

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roofs on them. We do have this gable
roof on the top, which uh a a big part

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of um the New England vernacular in
general. And what you're trying to work

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with downtown is uh having bisecting
roofs and having things to break that up

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because that gives us this element, a
nice uh a nice shadow line and a nice

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way way to break that up. Those run
across. Um we also uh you know, as you

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can see, we we have some the mant roof
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um, we have some verticality differences
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differences, some trim, the roofs, the
balconies, the tower elements. And so,

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all all these things come together and
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what the what the goal was um in the um
in the design regulations, which by the

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way, I will say, we read a lot of design
regulations. Yours are extremely well

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written and extremely well uh
illustrated. So what you're going for is

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clear and good job to the volunteer
group that did that. Like it's really

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like uh a lot of thought was put into
that. So if you want to go to the next

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So this uh shows you what the ends of

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the building look like. Again, we can
see that tower element that we have in

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building one that's on the left here. Uh
that's that's a that's a bay that

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projects out um about a foot or 18 in
that we see with the blue with the white

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siding on top. And oh, we another change
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went into design view board with um one
over one double hung windows which is

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you know no divisions and now we're
we're proposing six over one. Again

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another little nod towards a traditional
New England vernacular there and we sort

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of um detailing the trim work around
those windows and doors getting a lot

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more traditional what we have uh
proposed and and versus what we had then

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and then um we are still honing some of
that. So the next time we go to designer

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view board, we'll have even more detail
on on how that looks and the drawings

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will have some shadow lines and be even
a little clearer here, a little more

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conceptual uh tonight so we can get your
feedback. But we're going to we're going

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to take that the next level before we
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next slide.
And this is building two, which again

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sort of shows you um a lot of
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building one. And this is the next slide
is just the uh the ends of the building

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and you can go to the next slide.

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» All right. So, before we get to this, if
you don't mind, can you go back to the

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site plan? I apologize. I I forgot to
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element of the site plan.
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perfect. Um, so in this um view,
obviously, you see our two residential

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buildings there kind of set in the back
of the site. And then what we're showing

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here and what we're proposing to include
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are uh two 2800 square foot uh
commercial retail spaces which we would

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plan to stub out. Um but PY does not do
commercial retail. Um so uh you know we

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have started to we we've been looking in
the market and to be just honest we have

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not really found any any um uh dying
interest to get involved with it from a

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commercial retail perspective. if it's a
tough market right now just in general

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to agree into. So this is what we are
including um in in as far as a um again

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the utilities we will stub out and
design to but um right now we do not

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have a uh a direct use for those and so
um what we've done is we've been talking

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with Richard and others in the town
about potential options for that uh

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Liberty Lane space and you know PY is
willing to um kind of coordinate with

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the town as far as kind of uh
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of activation and um um you know how we
want to program that space. Um but

417
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:48,080
again, from a planning board site plan
application, this is what we're going to

418
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:52,799
include, what our approach is to include
in this with the idea that we the space

419
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:57,120
can be flexible and we want to
coordinate and work with the town on on

420
00:30:54,320 --> 00:31:02,159
what that might look like. And so, uh if
you don't mind going back to where we

421
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:07,200
were, I apologize. Um,
so one thing that we had talked about is

422
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:10,480
the potential to activate this space.
And Richard, I know, do you mind talking

423
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:16,640
a little bit about this because I know
that this is where it would kind of be a

424
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:21,200
transfer from U. PY to the municipality
as far as kind of what that space looks

425
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:25,200
like and how it's activated. Again, PY
is um we're motivated and um, you know,

426
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:29,200
look forward to working with the town on
it. activating that space is going to

427
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,919
benefit, you know, our homeowners as
well. It's it's a benefit for everyone.

428
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:36,000
And so that's why we wanted to
coordinate with the town on kind of what

429
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:41,840
ma might make sense there.
>> Yeah. Thank you.

430
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:48,320
So we talked about was that there's been
particularly discussion with park and

431
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:53,919
wreck about maybe doing some additional
programming space or um actually they

432
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:57,440
actually want
you may not be aware of this necessarily

433
00:31:55,679 --> 00:32:04,640
but the the other property across the
street 6 and 8 Liberty Lane which is the

434
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:08,559
another vacant piece of property they've
had an interest to be able to utilize

435
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:17,120
that space for additional programming
for outdoor space um a gamut of

436
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:21,679
different activities to do it. Um but
what we talked about was that you know

437
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:26,880
that's somebody who really hasn't moved
forward with anything on the property in

438
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:31,200
terms of development wise whereas this
site is coming forward and there could

439
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:36,480
be an opportunity to program and to
attract and and kind of quite frankly

440
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:40,240
mimic what's going to be going on and is
going on in Planeville where you know

441
00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:46,960
they have a
an active space outdoor space for people

442
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:51,519
to get together um activity wise and and
they have the beer garden there and

443
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:57,039
there's other things that seem to be uh
rather popular. But also that this space

444
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,240
could also be for instance we wanted to
have

445
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:04,799
ice skating there. You could have a
pop-up ice skating rink be available as

446
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,039
an activity. So trying to be creative.
>> Do you mind going to the next slide real

447
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:11,440
quick please?
>> Yeah jump ahead. Sorry. Uh so you see

448
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:15,440
ice skating rink. So, we kind of have a
a plan of action to be able to kind of

449
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:20,080
activate that space now. And with the
because they like Essex said, they don't

450
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:24,080
necessarily do commercial development.
They're more residential to try to look

451
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:29,039
for commercial developers are interested
in partnering with them, but also with

452
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:33,200
the town to kind of activate the space.
The restaurant, as we know, and it's

453
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:39,519
high on everyone's list from a community
perspective. Um so we would again try to

454
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:45,279
reach out to restaurant tours that want
to come forward that we have a location

455
00:33:41,919 --> 00:33:50,640
for them in the center and maybe it
builds towards a permanent restaurant

456
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:55,600
there you know and help. So trying to be
creative um and knowing that you know

457
00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:01,679
the challenges of trying to attract
people to build a space because we don't

458
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:04,799
understandably don't want to see an
empty building

459
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:09,839
but we also don't want to see empty
space either. So it's something that

460
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:13,280
hopefully that gets community support to
be able creative to build with that

461
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,359
space out front.
>> Yeah.

462
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,320
» This is or sorry
>> just an interim solution essentially.

463
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,280
So, like you were saying, Esica, we'd
have our short-term, midterm and

464
00:34:19,839 --> 00:34:24,720
longterm. So, this could be something
where we could get people to come to the

465
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,679
downtown or maybe have an L runs on
cake. You never know. Something, you

466
00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:31,679
know, like have more of that like
container style, you know, a popup type

467
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:34,800
thing or a little restaurants, food
trucks, things like that to get people

468
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:39,280
downtown. But then, like Rich mentioned
the Planeville Square. Um, having like,

469
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,960
you know, cornhole or whatever, like
some some little like fun games to get

470
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:45,520
people down there. And, um, I don't know
about the wreck team. We probably don't

471
00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:47,440
want we don't want the recck department
out there with a beer garden, but you

472
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,560
know.
>> No, no, no, no.

473
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,960
» Absolutely. Right. No, they're not going
to do a beer garden. But

474
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:55,919
» and that's where, you know, we started
to come up with some of those just to

475
00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:59,760
give context of the space. There's
actually is a decent amount of space in

476
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:05,119
there to to program. So, you can
actually um get really creative with

477
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:08,400
what opportunities um you know could be
uh activated there.

478
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,760
So this will be instead of the
commercial buildings that you

479
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:16,000
» uh well at least in the short term like
you know and and you know that

480
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:20,640
conversation would happen um you know
essentially with the municipality and um

481
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:26,160
you know in moving forward but that
would be as of right now we don't have a

482
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:29,920
commercial tenant or retail tenant. Um
so that would be the initial short-term

483
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:34,560
um approach.
>> But then you'd still be committed to

484
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:38,240
building the commercial building if you
did find a tenant. Well, are you looking

485
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,200
for somebody to come in and build
>> someone would? Yeah. Like, so again, we

486
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,400
would we would make it, you know, we'll
call it quoteunquote pad ready. That can

487
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:48,880
mean a number of different things and
how it can what that final um you know,

488
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:54,000
looks like, but we have the utilities
stubbed out and the space ready, whether

489
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:58,000
whether we end up grassing it and and ve
putting some shrubs and you know, how

490
00:35:55,359 --> 00:36:01,920
how we end up finishing it, you know, in
that short term, we can coordinate with

491
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:05,200
the town and see what's most um you
know, effective. So the earlier site

492
00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:09,599
plan that had the two commercial
buildings there isn't actually what

493
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,880
» you're proposing.
>> That would be in our application. It's

494
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:18,320
just a concept though. Yes. And we've
looked at a couple different um kind of

495
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:22,640
um uses for that space. We we did also
sketch out a uh 100 seat restaurant

496
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:27,520
which would fit in there. So that you
know where we showed those two buildings

497
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:31,040
again is just a an idea. U but there is
opportunity. There is space there to fit

498
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:34,400
a 100 space restaurant as well as one of
those buildings. um you know uh in a

499
00:36:33,359 --> 00:36:36,960
variety of different things.
>> And I know I mean this isn't really what

500
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,960
you're here to talk about, but would
that commercial space also be hooked

501
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:47,359
into the wastewater system?
>> Yep. And that was um part of the

502
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:49,520
calculation that we did for what was
left. Yeah. As far as availability.

503
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,560
» Excellent.
>> And so where it plays into now where you

504
00:36:51,839 --> 00:36:58,960
set because of the changes from May,
you have some flexibility on how you

505
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:02,240
could design and permit this. So it
still has to be the commercial. So

506
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:08,320
ultimately
that's it's not commercialless. It's a

507
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:11,920
word if you will. Um so
>> no we can get creative and come up with

508
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,720
» Yeah. But it's not they're not
necessarily putting anything commercial

509
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:20,000
there.
>> No I no but I mean if somebody jumps

510
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:25,119
forward right now they can certainly do
it um sooner than later. It's just just

511
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:29,760
trying to be conservative and think that
we might not get somebody out of the

512
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:35,040
gate necessarily to but have a plan so
that there's a plan to act activate that

513
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,480
space from the beginning.
>> I I know you guys are here to get

514
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,760
feedback on the architecture. So,
>> well, no, it's everything site plan.

515
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:45,440
» I want to dive into that a little more.
Or I think maybe when you guys file

516
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:49,839
permits just to get our heads a little
more around

517
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:55,359
» how how that actually worked, how it's
ties in with how we envisioned the

518
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:57,920
commercial components of downtown, etc.
>> from an architectural perspective.

519
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,760
» Not architectural.
>> Oh, not architectural. Okay. But no,

520
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:05,280
we're if you any feedback you've got um
you know, honestly tonight. Yeah.

521
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:09,280
» No, I mean I'm really not. I'm just
responding in in real time. Okay. All

522
00:38:07,359 --> 00:38:14,079
right.
And I think one of the So if you want to

523
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,359
so it's going to be kind of fluid
situation. I mean if you want to do

524
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:20,960
another meeting to talk a little bit
further before they get ready to hard

525
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:26,400
and come in with a site plan we could do
that too. So I mean you don't have to

526
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:28,880
commit obviously.
>> Yeah I totally understand that. But if

527
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,200
you have some different thoughts
certainly forward to making

528
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:35,760
» yeah it's a little bit of a unique
situation in that we are we're preparing

529
00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:39,200
it to be commercial retail ready. We're
just not proposing to build that because

530
00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:42,880
we just don't have a tenant or anyone
that's ready to build there. So, what we

531
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:47,839
wanted to do was as opposed to coming
forth with a a plan that may leave that

532
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:51,920
empty, we wanted to develop a plan an
approach with the town that could

533
00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:56,400
activate that space u in that short or
medium-term in between before it becomes

534
00:38:54,800 --> 00:39:01,280
» looking to lease that property or would
you be looking to sell that property to

535
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:05,920
the owner? either uh you know we'd be
open to it working with open to

536
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:09,599
coordinating with the the town or or any
you know future commercial retail

537
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:16,240
tenant. I mean yeah the I mean the two
things that jump into mind are one um

538
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:20,000
you know is it is it more viable as a
commercial space if you actually build

539
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:24,960
something there and then go to lease out
a building versus looking for a tenant

540
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:30,800
and then building it. And then two, you
know what I don't want is for this to be

541
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:36,000
built as open space, be programmed for
one or two summers, and then be sitting

542
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:39,599
there empty.
>> I think this is where the economic

543
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:43,520
development corporation comes in. That's
what we need in the town. So, it's part

544
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,640
of the master plan. We can try to maybe
work on that. I know you've wanted

545
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:49,440
economic development forever. So, maybe
we can figure this would probably be the

546
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:54,480
perfect time to have something like
that.

547
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:58,079
My preference is straight to build. I I
know there's been a couple of instances

548
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:03,280
where business owners have looked at
properties on uh in town center and they

549
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:08,079
haven't been viable for whatever reasons
and that's moved them outside of the

550
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:11,599
town to you know open up their shops.
And so if there was something available

551
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:15,440
and it was already built that would have
been a no-brainer for them. So in my

552
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:19,040
mind you might not be finding people
right now but I think if you build it

553
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,839
they will come. Well, it's also the
builder. You need to find a builder who

554
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:26,640
will build it.
>> Yeah. And and then you lose your

555
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:33,079
flexibility for what that next, you
know, opportunity could be if if you you

556
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,079
know, you're built to fit.

557
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:39,200
» So, it could
that's a fair point. I mean, there could

558
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:43,680
be a couple variations because there's
actually, you know, you saw the two two

559
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:47,760
pad version of this. There's actually a
three pad version of this as well that

560
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:52,640
you had looked at previously. But for
me, that goes more to what the B1 was uh

561
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:56,240
kind of putting together. That's more of
like what the master plan's trying to

562
00:40:54,079 --> 00:41:00,560
do. And that's more towards like the tax
incentive that we're trying to build,

563
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:05,040
you know, take off the burden off the
citizen and put the burden onto the

564
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:09,440
business from a tax perspective.
So, I mean, we're ticking a lot of boxes

565
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:16,480
by putting in more of these locations
for businesses to go in. Not putting it

566
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:20,960
in now feels like a a miss in my mind.
What if what if the data suggests those

567
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:24,760
buildings are empty
for a like

568
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:31,440
for economic development purposes, you
really only look at a 10-year horizon

569
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:35,440
for the entirety of the 10 years.
>> I think that's

570
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:39,920
show me the data and I'll make a
different decision. But

571
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:44,160
» I agree.
>> Yeah. So with this sort of stuff when

572
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:48,880
you try to build this up and we've done
this in cities and towns before um it

573
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,760
comes down to foot traffic which we
simply don't have

574
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:55,760
» but we're building it
>> no that's not enough that's

575
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,920
» but we do have the village at Norfolk
meeting house like it's it is being

576
00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:02,240
built you know
>> it's being built and there's a there's a

577
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:07,920
lot of future there um and I would
absolutely prefer buildings um but you

578
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:11,920
know I also work in the seapport which
is super hot right now and also

579
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,960
surrounded by empty
>> retail space, right? Because that's just

580
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,319
that's just the way it is right now.
It's just a it's a weird world.

581
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:22,079
» Um
>> I'm also thinking of the transient

582
00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:24,400
traffic from the commuter rail as well.
I mean, it's a perfect location for a

583
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:30,160
business.
>> Yeah. No, I absolutely agree. Um that

584
00:42:28,319 --> 00:42:38,000
that's my that's my preference as well.
But I I think that in um if if there's

585
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:41,839
an option to take some or I mean ideally
not all but some of that space and and

586
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:45,440
have some sort of a community focused
activation. I think what's happening in

587
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:48,640
Planeville has been a hit. You know it's
only been open it's not been open long

588
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:53,680
enough to say like that's a hit forever
but that sort of space seems to be

589
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,440
» I I'm out of the loop on what's going on
there.

590
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,800
» Well Betsy has a link. Do you want to
pull that up for the Planeville Square?

591
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:03,760
» Give me Keep on talking.
>> It's awesome. So Jeff Kenny, the author

592
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:07,599
of Diary of a Wimpy Kid, bought all of
that space downtown and has an amazing

593
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,400
plan for it. And some of it's going to
be brick and mortar,

594
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,520
» and some of it's going to be more of
like pop-up shops, more like modern

595
00:43:12,319 --> 00:43:16,640
container style.
>> It hasn't been built yet, but that's the

596
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:19,520
plan.
Some of it's open and built, the beer,

597
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:23,359
» those container ones are, and that's
where the beer garden is. Really cool

598
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:27,839
little area. Um,
>> also has that concentrated population

599
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:32,160
already,
>> right? What? No, not that

600
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:35,680
» downtown's No, their downtown isn't
>> I I didn't even know that was their

601
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,720
downtown until my friend and Bloomfield
told me.

602
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:43,040
» Um,
>> but yeah, so Betsy has the link to pull

603
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:46,319
it up, but it's um the whole design from
they have it has its own website with

604
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,920
what they're planning and part of it is
what um and and so Gary and I were in

605
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:53,200
that meeting with Essex. So that's when
he's saying some people it's it was us.

606
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:57,119
So that's people who are trying, you
know, we have the same goals as you

607
00:43:54,480 --> 00:44:00,560
guys. Um, but we were thinking for phase
one if we could get creative and do

608
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:03,760
something like that and then midterm or
longterm is the buildings. But maybe

609
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:08,480
maybe this is like a proof of concept
when Betsy pulls it up, but like see

610
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:11,200
those little the area up top there. Um
you know where I don't know if that's

611
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:14,880
food trucks or containers or whatever,
but like something up there.

612
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:18,720
» Um or an ice rink, but if we have an
area there, maybe that can be a proof of

613
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:21,760
concept for small businesses to be like,
you know, build up their business and

614
00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:25,200
then be like, oh, you know, talk to the
owners like we I actually need like, you

615
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:28,000
know, maybe half of that building, then
maybe we can, you know, divide it in

616
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:31,920
half and make sure that it's going to be
filled. It's just it's it derisks the

617
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,880
project from a construction perspective
if you have that. But I think we could

618
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,200
also give those business owners like
you're talking about Chris that have

619
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,599
left the town because there was nowhere
to go. Give them an opportunity to have

620
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:46,000
a lowcost rental situation for now.
>> I also do hear what you're saying. We

621
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:49,760
can definitely com uh do some digging
for some data and bring some you know

622
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:53,599
data to support kind of each of those
different segments short, medium and

623
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:56,880
long-term kind of approaches to it and
what that's what what our thought

624
00:44:54,720 --> 00:45:00,640
process is and what it's coming from
>> cuz I mean the other boxes that you're

625
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:03,760
ticking are water and sewer which have
been the other reasons why people

626
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,440
haven't been developing in the center of
town and you're scoring on both of

627
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:10,800
those. So like to me it just it seems
like a no-brainer. going to show her

628
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,599
where.
>> Sorry, I sent you in the link and I

629
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:17,599
didn't tell you where.
>> I would be interested in sort of a

630
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:21,760
combination of the two. As a small
business owner in town, um I have no

631
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:24,880
intention of ever opening a bakery. I
don't want to I don't want to be owned

632
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:29,280
by a building and I think I'd have to
charge like a million dollars for a

633
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:34,640
custom cake. But if there was like a
popup space that was a container that I

634
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:38,000
could work out of for a month or however
long and you could have small business

635
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:44,640
owners like me who are say a cottage
bakery or whatever crafter but don't

636
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:49,599
want to support a brick and mortar. That
would be really enticing for like a

637
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:52,480
farmers market type of small business as
opposed to like a brick and mortar type

638
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:56,000
of thing
>> like a restaurant owner.

639
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:59,119
» But that would need something to be
built. this one.

640
00:45:57,359 --> 00:46:01,359
» Even if it's just like the container,
>> right?

641
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:06,319
» Like if there was a couple of the
container things and a building

642
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:10,720
» sales are for actually baking for sale.
Okay. So that makes sense. Yeah.

643
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,359
» Okay. So that's
>> that's the one in Planeville if anyone

644
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,880
hasn't seen the
>> Yeah. So a couple things that you that

645
00:46:15,359 --> 00:46:21,680
were scrolled through as well showed
kind of like an indoor space where you

646
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:24,079
could have similar as well. I'm assuming
like multiple shops inside.

647
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,880
» Yeah. They have actual buildings that
are going to be built. I think this was

648
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,079
more like the shortterm if I had to
guess from a planning perspective

649
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:33,200
short-term just get people out, get
people downtown and you know open up

650
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,560
some of these businesses and they had
the outdoor area which is amazing for

651
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:40,079
the summer. So it was probably more of a
timing thing and then also those really

652
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,920
pretty buildings that they'll be
building going forward.

653
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:48,079
» Yeah. Outside of this specific
conversation, if we talk about economic

654
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:52,079
development committee work versus
economic development corporation work,

655
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:55,520
corporations are usually the ones that
go and find the funding to build the

656
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:59,520
things, right? Because they know what
the need is and then they take that like

657
00:46:57,839 --> 00:47:01,920
Moses was saying, they derisk for the
developer to say,

658
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:06,160
» you know, it's like, hey, don't worry
about that. We have this covered and we

659
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:10,960
will go find the people. But those are
like next steps, future state um stuff I

660
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:15,839
guess I have to work on. Yeah,
>> I'll help you.

661
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:19,760
» I mean, my only concern stems from, you
know, the current state of what I've

662
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:24,160
seen from the wreck department, right?
We've got the the old park that was

663
00:47:22,319 --> 00:47:29,040
slated to be a walking path that's
nothing now. We've got the park at Pawn

664
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:37,119
Street that's in disrepair, but we've
gone and approved a uh pickle ball uh

665
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:40,319
stadium, let's call it. Um, you know,
>> court.

666
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:45,200
It's obscuring like the rest of the
park, right? Like to meet a a need of

667
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:49,200
design change and approach and all of
that stuff. But we've got sheds on that

668
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:52,960
property that are in disrepair. We've
got fences that are broken. We've got an

669
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:57,839
old skate park that turned into a
urinal. I mean, I don't necessarily

670
00:47:55,839 --> 00:48:00,880
trust them to be able to manage this.
>> No, totally understand. So, that was

671
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:04,880
just an example. I wouldn't get too
hyperfocused on like the idea of a park

672
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:09,839
and rack. The idea is community space.
So, for instance, if you had a downtown

673
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:13,359
association, they could work on getting
a baker down there. They could go have a

674
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:17,520
holiday stroll. They could have
different type of things that people

675
00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:20,640
could come, which kind of leads to one
of the things that we kind of talked

676
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:23,760
about before.
And we need to kind of move up on the

677
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,839
timeline of business improvement
district because a business improvement

678
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:31,520
district captures some of the revenue as
the student development happens, which

679
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:35,680
then can fund downtown activities, could
be outreach, you know what I mean? So it

680
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:39,440
it's more like having a downtown. It's
almost like the

681
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:44,880
an organization that's going to do that
kind of program in that space cuz you

682
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:47,760
don't Yeah. It's not I just use them as
an example.

683
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:52,559
» Yeah. I mean that just requires a a
bunch of human capital people who are

684
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:55,280
interested in doing it. Um as well as
you know somebody in the government

685
00:48:53,839 --> 00:48:58,000
who's going to help oversee it and all
of that stuff. It's it's yet another

686
00:48:56,720 --> 00:49:02,880
committee at the end of the day. Right.
So it's more bureaucracy it's more

687
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:08,240
process. it's it's more waiting at the
end of the day, right? So, um again, my

688
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:11,599
concern there. Additionally, we're
talking about things that are going to

689
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:15,440
require some sort of funding at some
point and we're in a huge deficit at

690
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:18,480
this point in time, right? There's a lot
of concerns around money and all of that

691
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:22,640
stuff. We're looking to generate revenue
from taxes, from businesses, and this

692
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:26,079
doesn't necessarily tick that box
because this becomes a state or a town

693
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:29,200
sponsored activity.
>> Not necessarily. It could be potentially

694
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:32,480
» you pay for that space.
>> Yeah. you and there's also a ton of

695
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:37,440
grants to have a tenth there,
>> right? But it's not from the order of

696
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:41,599
magnitudes of what you would expect from
a tenant that's paying actually property

697
00:49:39,359 --> 00:49:44,160
taxes on that from the value property
tax.

698
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:48,640
» So you're still operating it at a
deficit. You're subsidizing it.

699
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:51,440
» Well, yeah. Or or or you get nothing for
a period of time.

700
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:54,079
» So, you know, so I think when they get
ready to come in and submit the site

701
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,839
plan, one of the things they're going to
prepare for you all as part of the

702
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:01,520
permanent process is a fiscal analysis.
Yeah.

703
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:07,839
» So part of that fiscal analysis there'll
be commercial component but part of the

704
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:12,240
other fiscal analysis be you know 100
condominiums that are going to be sold

705
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:16,160
on the market as one
>> which I've been told aren't enough from

706
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:19,920
a foot traffic perspective to warrant a
restaurant. So I mean we're having the

707
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:25,040
circular conversation about
>> restaurant is or other bigger required

708
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:28,400
foot foot traffic than
>> than a popup. Well, what I was going to

709
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:30,640
say, what I was kind of leading towards
was saying the site is vacant right now,

710
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:35,520
right?
>> So, the tax revenue is generating is

711
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:38,960
certainly not anywhere near what it
could be as

712
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:41,440
» 100%. I'm not saying no to the property
development. I love the idea of the

713
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:44,400
property development. I think the
architectural looks smart. I like the

714
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:48,640
way that the grading is working in the
favor of everything. I'm having a

715
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:51,599
contention around the two buildings
being there at day one or not. Right.

716
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:57,040
That's my concern.
>> Yeah. and and and we can definitely um

717
00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:01,520
do again the fiscal analysis but also do
some more analysis on kind of the state

718
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:06,000
of of commercial retail um you know
locally and and you know more regionally

719
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:09,599
as far as and balancing that with kind
of a short-term medium-term approach and

720
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:14,400
a plan and see what makes sense.
>> Yeah. And additionally, is this being

721
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:16,720
planned as a one-story uh building if it
was something that

722
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:19,440
» we had what we had put together is we
had looked at something that was more

723
00:51:17,839 --> 00:51:22,880
like a two and a half story similar to
the Walgreens and the the building

724
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:26,559
direct next door. It kind of provides
that step up to the buildings behind it,

725
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:30,800
you know, from a pedestrian streetscape
scale. So that was kind of what we would

726
00:51:29,359 --> 00:51:34,160
have would envision something.
>> And so ideally it could be something

727
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:38,079
where it's, you know, it's retail on the
first floor and then you have offices or

728
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:42,400
similar on the top. I I guess that's why
I'd have to look dig into the zoning to

729
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:44,960
see what But in theory, yeah, we there's
a space potentially for that. Yes.

730
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:47,359
» Well, it could be mixed use still,
right? Even though we're separating the

731
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,079
two, it could still be
>> they wouldn't be responsible for it.

732
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,240
We'd have to have somebody else do it.
But yes,

733
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:59,119
» yes.
>> So, potentially. Yes.

734
00:51:55,359 --> 00:52:01,359
» Certainly mixed use minus
residential because they'd be maxing out

735
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,559
their
>> Right. That's residential this.

736
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,040
» That's the key.
>> Oh, right. So it would have to be

737
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,079
office,
>> right? Yeah.

738
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,319
» Yeah.
>> What? Why?

739
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:13,440
» Because they're maxing out their
residential capacity on the two

740
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:15,839
buildings for the
>> Didn't we We took out the percentages,

741
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,520
right?
>> Yeah. There's ac the acreage per acre.

742
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,200
» Oh, gotcha.
>> Yeah. The density.

743
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,680
» Okay.
>> Well, there's your co-working space.

744
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:27,920
» That's the co-work.
>> Yeah.

745
00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:32,160
» Yeah. I think there's other
opportunities that we should look into

746
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,559
from that perspective at least. So,
Richard, we got some work to do with you

747
00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:37,119
to to
>> One other thing I want you to work on is

748
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,200
the gas. I know you like this all
electric, which I kind

749
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,559
» That was the one question I did, right?
Like, why no natural gas knowing that

750
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,440
it's available at the center of town?
>> I'm like,

751
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:49,760
» it's I'm sorry. I don't mean to laugh. I
only laugh because it's

752
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:54,079
95% of the time you go into a town, you
know, you're talking, it's it's um

753
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:59,359
everything all electric is preferred and
and um

754
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:03,920
» electrically killing us. We bring gas.
Yeah. I mean the past past 5 years

755
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:07,359
electricity prices are through the roof
right now. I know gas isn't necessarily,

756
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:11,760
you know, all too different, but at the
same time, like we can't bring gas all

757
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:16,559
throughout the town if it's not inching
across the property lines, you know.

758
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:20,960
» Yeah. Um, as of right now, our our our
plan and our approach is to to continue

759
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:23,440
building all electric. It's just um, you
know,

760
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:27,599
» you're providing gas fireplaces in the
back and gas grills.

761
00:53:25,359 --> 00:53:29,920
» And they would be Well, they're the the
grills would be propane. Yeah.

762
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:34,160
» Right. Yep. Yep.
>> Feels like a missed opportunity.

763
00:53:31,839 --> 00:53:36,880
» Feels like a long stretch of gas for a
girl.

764
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:40,000
» I hear you. I hear you. But still like
>> Yeah. Yeah.

765
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:45,359
» So restaurants
>> a restaurant would prefer gas 100%.

766
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,680
» I I don't disagree with that. I I need
that.

767
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:52,319
» But I mean at this time I'm assuming the
gas is at the street level here. So that

768
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:56,960
wouldn't be too The gas is on main
street. It's it's a decent stretch down.

769
00:53:54,880 --> 00:54:01,680
» Decent it's a decent stretch down.
>> So there's the answer. It's a cost issue

770
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:06,240
» and and to be honest with you now that
was initially we like I said we met with

771
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:09,119
on this probably two years ago initially
and we did um we did reach out to I

772
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:13,440
can't remember if it's ever source or
national grid at this point but um

773
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,079
» now everything that we're doing you know
from across all of our trade working

774
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:21,520
with the state everything is
everything's all electric it's um

775
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:24,720
» I know there's a huge push for it and
>> I do understand perspective we're

776
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:27,599
screwing the
>> yes

777
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,400
» maybe are you going to do any solar Do
you think?

778
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:33,520
» No, we don't. There's not just not
enough room on our roofs um because all

779
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,559
the equipment for the all electric goes
up on the roof.

780
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:41,280
» So, the amount of we we looked at it and
the what the actual space after you get

781
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:45,359
past safety regulations as far as fall
distance from the edge of the roof and

782
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:49,280
the distance from the equipment on the
uh the mechanical equipment on the roof,

783
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:53,359
the amount of space that's available for
a solar array, it's just not financially

784
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:57,440
feas. tried renting out leasing out our
roof space in a project in Wuburn to a

785
00:54:55,520 --> 00:55:03,040
solar provider and we looked into it. It
just wasn't worth it.

786
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:07,920
» It's also would stretch energy code
you no one's going to spend a lot of

787
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:11,680
money on electric in a build. You have
to have now you have to have vents.

788
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:15,440
They're so closed in with and so
airtight that you have to have vents to

789
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:19,839
go out. It's almost too tight now. It's
crazy. So it's but it's also helpful for

790
00:55:18,319 --> 00:55:22,800
utility bills. does keep it does help
with the electric bill from that

791
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:27,680
perspective and you're more efficient
but

792
00:55:23,839 --> 00:55:32,160
» sure um so we have some conversations to
have on the program but just before we

793
00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:36,400
go and I know that we are probably above
our time already but from a site plan

794
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:39,839
perspective we talked a lot about that
activation the program on Liberty Lane

795
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:44,240
but you know generally from our site
plan perspective I didn't get a ton of

796
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:48,559
feedback or comment so I think that
we'll probably feel that we'll move

797
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:52,960
forward with that general site plan um
for the residential piece and we'll work

798
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:56,400
with Richard on um you know kind of how
we work through the the piece along

799
00:55:54,799 --> 00:56:00,000
Liberty in the commercial retail space
and and uh as far as what our

800
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:03,359
application looks like.
>> Yeah, I'm comfortable with that. I think

801
00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:08,000
the only other comment I would have is
make sure that the um fire chief does

802
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:12,720
take a look at this just you know from
an access perspective.

803
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:14,960
» Yep. And as you showed that to Gary and
I when we were in the meeting, the

804
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,680
design of it and I didn't give you
feedback because I wanted it to go to

805
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:21,520
design review and they would give you
their feedback and it's exactly what I

806
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,640
expected and I think it looks so much
better.

807
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:26,240
» Definitely.
>> That's Dan and his team and that. Yeah.

808
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:30,559
No, absolutely. Um it was a great
conversation uh that we had with them

809
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:33,520
and so um we haven't they haven't seen
that

810
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:38,319
» next version yet, but we look forward to
sharing with them and continuing to um

811
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,799
you know uh you know move forward.
>> Even the colors too. I mean I'm not an

812
00:56:39,839 --> 00:56:44,720
architect. which I know some of the
people on Design Review are and they're

813
00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:47,680
very good at it. Um, but even just the
colors, they're more kind of New England

814
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:51,599
colonial. I think they'll appreciate
that.

815
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:53,839
» Um, and then the brick is always nice.
>> Yeah, the brick does look red, white,

816
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,920
and blue, right?
>> Yeah.

817
00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:01,040
» Yeah. But no, I do it looks I like it a
lot now.

818
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:04,720
» Great. Thank you. And just to close out,
I'm not opposed to having some sort of

819
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:08,799
community aspect to this. I just want to
make sure that we're not leaving, you

820
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:13,440
know, tax dollars on the table here that
we could be benefiting from, especially

821
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:18,880
if that's something that the uh town's
been very adamant about, especially

822
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:22,720
within this area of town
>> and and we'll be prepared to have a more

823
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:26,240
full conversation on that at our, you
know, an application. We'll have some

824
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:29,440
the financial an analysis as well as
some of the other documentation to go

825
00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:31,520
» and then when time comes, we'll have
traffic studies and all of that stuff as

826
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,760
well.
>> Yep. Awesome.

827
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:40,640
Appreciate it.
>> Great. Thank you very much. Thank you

828
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:44,960
very much. Thank you.
>> All right,

829
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:46,880
that was our 645. We've got a 7:15
interview. Stephen,

830
00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:51,920
» I'm sorry.
>> Actually, we have a 7 p.m. first.

831
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:55,520
» 7 p.m. first. Woo. All right. 90929600
and 100 RPO streets. Modification of

832
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,240
previously approved site plan and storm
water management permit for the proposed

833
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:03,440
construction of a large scale ground
mounted photo solar voltaic system.

834
00:58:02,319 --> 00:58:07,680
How we doing?
>> Doing great. That was a fun conversation

835
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:12,000
for me. I got my masters in urban
planning with a emphasis on placemaking

836
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:15,599
around rail. So this was
>> that was everything for you then.

837
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:18,160
» So I've been entertained. Thanks guys.
>> That's great.

838
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:23,760
» Appreciate your patience. Thank you.
>> Um yeah. So um we've been visiting you

839
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:26,960
guys on this project, this specific
rendition of this project since

840
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:30,160
» Just reintroduce yourself for everybody
on TV.

841
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:35,040
» My name is Daniel Serber. I'm the
director of development with NextG Grid.

842
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:39,119
Um the first time here is Chris Seawall.
He is our new project manager of

843
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:44,400
construction. Um that's kind of going to
lead the charge to get this project on

844
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:49,599
track from a SWIP perspective. Um and we
will show you some pictures. We've made

845
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:53,599
a long way since just two weeks ago. Um
we hired a new construction company. Uh

846
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:59,200
so now we're working with a company
called Helios and Zane um construction.

847
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:04,079
Um Chris will tell you about that and
walk you through a SWIP response report

848
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:09,680
just so you can see our progress. I know
um ZBA's been very interested. Um but uh

849
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:15,599
one of the big things you guys have been
waiting for is the hazard mitigation

850
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:21,680
analysis report which uh was finally in
and uh fully approved by your peer

851
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:24,799
reviewer Jensen and Hughes. Um so you
know they were color coding our

852
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:31,119
responses and we had some yellows
outstanding. Now, now we're fully green.

853
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:34,400
Um, and so that has been approved. Um,
you know, I know it took a while. It's

854
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:38,000
not from lack of trying. I want you guys
to know, you know, the HMAs weren't

855
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:42,319
required when we've been submitted this.
And since then, Massachusetts adopted

856
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:48,000
the new National Electric Code, which
made the HMA um required and and you

857
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:52,559
know, we decided to go ahead and provide
that. Um, and it's the first one we've

858
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:56,960
been through. So, um, glad to get that
under our belts and get that over to you

859
00:59:54,160 --> 01:00:01,839
guys. So, um I know that was the last
thing on the battery side you guys were

860
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:06,880
waiting for and you know I'll give you
the opportunity to comment on that and

861
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:12,559
tell me if you if you don't want me to
go through the SWIP report um and leave

862
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:16,160
that to the ZBA tell me and we'll get on
our way faster. It's up to you guys.

863
01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:19,599
» I'd love to see the updated photos. I've
driven past the site several times. I've

864
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:24,000
seen the additional fencing. I've seen
the um additional material keeping all

865
01:00:21,839 --> 01:00:32,000
the uh debris inside. I haven't seen the
um dust mitigation. Um but it doesn't

866
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:35,680
look as bad as it used to. Um so I think
we just go through the photos real

867
01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:40,000
quick, see what's changed.
>> I would actually like to I don't want to

868
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:44,079
just breeze right over it. If we could
actually get a little detail on this.

869
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:46,160
» Yeah, I'll let I'll let Chris comment on
the specific pictures and the things

870
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:51,520
we've
>> Yeah, definitely. So, um like Daniel

871
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:55,599
mentioned, we have Zayn out there.
they're they're working to address the

872
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:59,040
uh the outstanding issues. Um with
anything SWIP related is obviously we're

873
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:03,280
addressing what's what's going on today,
but also it's an ongoing process um

874
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:07,839
throughout the rest of the construction
of the site. So,

875
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:12,640
um, they've they've been working out
there, um, you know, last week, this

876
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:16,960
week. Um, we plan to have everything
that's on the SWIP report fully

877
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:20,960
addressed, um, by the end of the week.
Um, with, you know, if we could get some

878
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:23,920
more rain out there, more of the grass
could could take hold, that would be

879
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:28,400
wonderful for everybody. But, uh, at
least as far as stabilizing the site,

880
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:32,400
um, you know, we're looking to have that
done by Thursday. maybe it would spill

881
01:01:30,319 --> 01:01:38,559
onto Friday for for having everything uh
currently outstanding addressed. Um so

882
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:41,680
they were out there uh installing new
rolls of silt fence, making sure it's

883
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:45,040
properly keyed into the ground, you
know, fully 6 in down so that when it

884
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,280
does rain, the water doesn't just wash
it out.

885
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:50,319
» Sorry, are are you guys controlling the
slideshow or is it

886
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,200
» which one?
>> Oh, that's

887
01:01:52,319 --> 01:01:58,960
you can start moving through the
pictures. Thanks. So they uh picture one

888
01:01:56,559 --> 01:02:04,880
is new silt fence that was um or
existing sil fence that was restored and

889
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:10,880
maintained. They added in new um silt
sock in front of those fenced areas

890
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:17,119
staking it in place. Um go to the next
slide. I think we have one. Um here

891
01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:20,480
they're they were in the woods today
pulling out some of the silt that had

892
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:26,960
gone past the fence while they were
repairing the existing lines. Um, you

893
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:33,920
can see here this has been rekeyed in um
to make sure that water isn't going to

894
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:38,000
to penetrate underneath it anymore. Um,
yeah. So, that top left is an area of

895
01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:41,680
the woods that had had silt on top of
it. They were out there um getting that

896
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:47,280
all shoveled out. Same with the bottom
right picture as well. Uh, kind of that

897
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:52,760
same same woods area that water had uh
had overrun the fences before. Um

898
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:58,640
uh this is a section here kind of at the
front of the site in front of one of the

899
01:02:56,160 --> 01:03:02,799
retention basins. Um making sure that
any of that water that's coming down in

900
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:07,119
this section in particular some of the
site roads um going down the hill where

901
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:11,920
water likes to to run faster and pick up
some sediment. Uh making sure the silt

902
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:16,640
sock and uh that silt fence that you can
kind of see right behind it um that was

903
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:21,760
all rekeyed in today um to make sure
that that is solid. Um, I think we still

904
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:25,599
have a couple more photos if we keep
going.

905
01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:32,079
Um,
the area

906
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:37,280
top right I believe is the area um where
the cell tower access road is in front

907
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:42,960
above that. Um, they just added in a
whole actually that's still above the uh

908
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:46,400
the basin there. Um, repaired all that.
They added in a whole se new section of

909
01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:50,960
sil fence in front of where the old
tower access road was. um because there

910
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:56,720
had been some some water getting getting
around there before. Um

911
01:03:54,720 --> 01:04:02,240
the two bottom right photo or two bottom
photos are on the um I guess it's kind

912
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:08,559
of the northeast side on Pond Street
where that that final um final basin is

913
01:04:05,359 --> 01:04:14,559
before the the water leaves the site. um
replacing the the silt socks in that um

914
01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:19,119
in the catch basin to make sure that the
uh the sediment that it has caught has

915
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:23,359
been removed and that there's new new
controls in place that have capacity to

916
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:27,680
to take up any silt that that gets down
there.

917
01:04:25,359 --> 01:04:31,039
» See some grass coming in which is nice.
>> Yeah, it's it's starting

918
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:36,559
» the optimist
>> here and there. Um it is it is starting

919
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:40,079
to come in. Um
they they're one of the things that

920
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:47,280
they're still going to finish up uh
later this week is to bring in more more

921
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:50,799
hay and more um straw mats to help um
stabilize while we are waiting for more

922
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:54,400
of that grass seed to come in and kind
of make sure we're tackling the problem

923
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:58,880
further up on the slope before it
actually is getting down to where kind

924
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:02,000
of our our sill fence and our that's our
last line of defense. We need to make

925
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:05,839
sure we're we're slowing it down
beforehand.

926
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:11,200
Um, if you can keep going, I don't
remember exactly how many pictures are

927
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:16,319
are in the report. Um, bottom right is
the construction entrance. Um, there's

928
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:21,200
not really any issues there anymore. Um,
no no mutter or silt is making it out to

929
01:05:19,359 --> 01:05:27,680
the road through through all that
significant rip wrap um, portion

930
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:31,920
and just more more straw and and hay
going down to uh to help stabilize the

931
01:05:30,319 --> 01:05:37,079
site.
keep going.

932
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:37,079
Um,

933
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:45,200
uh, one of the things was making sure
that the the sign, the Nifty's, um,

934
01:05:42,799 --> 01:05:49,039
permit sign was posted. So, that's up.
>> That's huge. Like, I hadn't seen that at

935
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:53,839
all throughout the entire
>> Not sure why that wasn't up before. Um,

936
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:59,599
Daniel said, I I just started with Next
Grid about a week ago. Um, but certainly

937
01:05:56,559 --> 01:06:04,960
we we uh will stay on top of all this.
Um, so this is just kind of a view of

938
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:09,520
the site from the uh the street here.
Um, going up that construction entrance.

939
01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:12,880
» I think even just having the fencing on
the property now as you're looking over

940
01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:16,079
from the street as you're driving by
really helps,

941
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:19,680
» you know, define the area of the
property that's being addressed here.

942
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:23,599
And obviously, there's going to be new
plantings and grasses and things that

943
01:06:21,359 --> 01:06:27,599
are growing back to cover the space. So,
I'm hoping that those that are watching

944
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:32,880
online and those the immense group that
we have here in front of us uh are

945
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:36,799
appreciating that as well.
>> Yes. So, the the like you said, there's

946
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:41,039
the fence all the way across the the
front of the site. Um that's all

947
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:45,520
currently still temporary fence, but
there's also ongoing everyday more

948
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:50,640
progress onto the permanent sight fence.
Um and once once that permanent sight

949
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:54,079
fence is in place, um some of these
storm water controls are going to move

950
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:58,880
in front of the fence um to make sure
that they're accessible for um for

951
01:06:56,799 --> 01:07:01,920
checking and maintaining during the the
rest of the course of this project.

952
01:07:00,319 --> 01:07:06,000
» Yeah. And additionally, the the
neighboring property, the auto body

953
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:10,319
shops, no longer parking on the property
proper anymore. They're actually off

954
01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:16,640
onto their own property instead of
extending into yours on

955
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:16,640
» the shared property at this point.

956
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:29,119
Uh next page.
Uh so this is more along the I guess the

957
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:32,799
southeast side. Uh this was a whole new
section. This is in front of where the

958
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:36,640
uh the tower access is. A whole new
section of sil fest that goes in and

959
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:40,960
curves around and goes kind of up the
slope to make sure that no water can get

960
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:47,000
by. This one wasn't quite adequate
enough to uh to capture that corner. Um

961
01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:55,119
and uh the ones on the bottom are just
as as you continue up up that sight

962
01:07:51,440 --> 01:08:00,720
line. Um just adding in more silt sock
tow uh keying in um repairs on the the

963
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:04,280
silt fence.
>> Next slide, please.

964
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:17,759
Um, this is once again closer to Pawn
Street on the uh on the retainage basin

965
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:23,440
side of things. Um,
so part of what we're looking to do is

966
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:26,640
is to look at getting some of the um
some of the material removed out of the

967
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:31,120
bottom of those basins to make sure that
anything that has been trapped there um

968
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:36,839
gets removed so that there's still the
sufficient capacity to to capture the

969
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,839
storm water.

970
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:46,400
Uh, next slide.
>> I think that's it. All right. Yeah.

971
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:52,480
Is this all of your work from the past
week that you've been at?

972
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:54,480
» Yeah, for for the the swift stuff. Yes.
>> Wow.

973
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:57,040
» A lot of it was repairs. So, it's not
all brand new, but you can see that

974
01:08:56,159 --> 01:09:02,080
they've
>> Yeah, the stuff we got green is is new

975
01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:07,759
and kind of the stuff that's old and
faded is is from previous, but um yeah,

976
01:09:05,759 --> 01:09:10,560
Zayn's been hitting it real hard to uh
to make sure that we we get it brought

977
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:13,920
to where it needs to be. Well,
>> we appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah.

978
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:18,799
Great.
I drove by and I saw the uh sign. I was

979
01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:22,640
like, "Wow."
>> Just the little things.

980
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:28,839
» The little things make us happy.
>> So now, just for clarification, you're

981
01:09:25,679 --> 01:09:28,839
is he

982
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:33,600
swapping out with the other previous
person that was from next on on the

983
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,799
site?
>> No, Christian is still with us and he's

984
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:40,799
still going to he still spends a lot of
time there. And and Scott is still our

985
01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:44,960
VP of construction. He's still with us.
>> Landon, what? Uh Landon is still with

986
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:47,920
Next Grid. He's not spending as much
time on this project in particular.

987
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:52,480
» Okay.
>> Um

988
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:56,000
» and then Zayn is working directly for
Next Grid to do the

989
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:59,600
» So we we have a new group. We'll
introduce the ZBA to next week called

990
01:09:57,679 --> 01:10:03,199
Helios. They work with us on a ton of
projects and and I know some people on

991
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:09,120
your ZBA board are actually familiar
with them from other jobs of their life.

992
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:14,080
Um so we've had a lot of success with
them. They're taking over as the GC and

993
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:18,239
Zayn is their civil subcontractor.
>> Okay. And then Capital, like you

994
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:20,560
mentioned, is not doing the construction
anymore,

995
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:23,040
» right? Capital's completely off the job
or

996
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:25,520
» uh Yeah.
>> Yeah. Just making sure.

997
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:29,280
» Well, they still have some equipment on
the job, but it's in the process of

998
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:32,280
changing over to to Helios and Zane.
>> Okay.

999
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:41,120
So, when you said you expect this work
to be complete by the end of this week,

1000
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:43,920
» the SWIP stuff um addressed right now
the schedule says Thursday. I say the

1001
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:48,600
end of the week just to in case
something goes wrong, we got we get an

1002
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,600
extra day there.

1003
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:57,199
But at the speed they've been going so
far, you know, Thursday seems like it's

1004
01:10:53,920 --> 01:11:01,520
probably a good bet.
And I I haven't had an opportunity to go

1005
01:10:59,440 --> 01:11:05,440
back out and look at it since I a little
bit. So, it's prior to vacation, so I

1006
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:07,920
certainly like to go out and take a
peek.

1007
01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:10,960
» Yeah, definitely. Let let us know. We'll
make sure that either myself or or

1008
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:15,000
Christian, someone's available on site
to to walk you through.

1009
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:22,560
» And as you said, this is this is the
first step to to correcting the issue,

1010
01:11:20,719 --> 01:11:27,199
but we obviously need to maintain this
for the rest of the project. So, it's by

1011
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:32,640
no means are when we say we're done
Thursday, are we done managing SWIP?

1012
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:36,159
It's it's an ongoing process until we
are, you know, fully seated and

1013
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:40,159
vegetated at the edge of the end of the
project.

1014
01:11:37,679 --> 01:11:45,679
» Yeah. I mean, I I hope you will be
paying as much attention to this as you

1015
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:49,640
clearly have the past couple weeks going
forward.

1016
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,640
» We will.

1017
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,560
It's certainly very

1018
01:11:56,719 --> 01:12:03,600
» Yeah, it's it's this project is my
highest priority right now. So we we

1019
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:06,600
will stay on top of it.
Okay.

1020
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:16,560
» So is there any additional questions for
about the battery or SWIP or

1021
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:23,360
» looking at the hazard mitigation plan?
Um couple contradictions in here just

1022
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:27,040
with regards to which NFPA
um you're adhering towards. You've

1023
01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:32,320
mentioned 2020 in here a couple times.
You've got 2023 in here. um it kind of

1024
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:35,199
makes it difficult to go back and forth
between the citations and making sure

1025
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:38,640
that they're correct and you're pulling
from the right ones. So, that's

1026
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:42,239
something that I would want resolved.
It's not something that's necessarily

1027
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:46,080
going to keep us from making a decision
or anything, but I will provide some

1028
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:51,040
notes um to Rich that he can share with
you guys. There's a couple of other

1029
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:57,199
areas where things are just typed wrong,
right? Um, ANC7535,

1030
01:12:53,600 --> 01:13:01,920
it's Z535. Uh, fur control instead of
for control, cabinet penal instead of

1031
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:10,239
panel. Um, so some typos, little things
like that. Um, you called out 144 cells

1032
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:17,960
at one point, but it's 114 cells. Um, so
little things like that um need to be

1033
01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:17,960
just kind of uh addressed as well. Um,

1034
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:34,840
See,
yeah, I'm happy to put this into an

1035
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:34,840
email and have that shared across.

1036
01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:42,640
There's like some questions around the
UL9540 listing as well. Um, that's

1037
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:46,880
mostly from the product level because
the product doesn't say it's

1038
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:52,960
specifically 9540, but it does list the
internal as 9540. The outside is UL1973

1039
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:56,640
as they describe it. So, that's just
something that should get rectified as

1040
01:13:54,400 --> 01:14:02,080
well.
Um, freeze protection as well. There's

1041
01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:06,880
that 7 kW heater that everything kind of
like would fail on if we did have to

1042
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:10,400
suppress and put water into it in the
winter or anything like that. So, like

1043
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:15,880
what's the backup plan for that? There's
nothing called out specifically for it.

1044
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,880
Um,

1045
01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:24,040
distance from the containers to the
surrounding tree lines not stated.

1046
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:36,400
Carbon monoxide is mentioned, but
hydrogen fluoride is not. But hydrogen

1047
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:40,000
fluoride is typically what governs the
toxic consequence modeling for lithium

1048
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:44,360
ion phosphate thermal runway. So that
should be addressed in there as well.

1049
01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:55,199
And then um what were we doing with
water on the property as well? There's

1050
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:58,239
no hydrant.
>> There's a hydron at at the street.

1051
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:02,239
» There's a hydrant at the street. What
was the distance? You remember? It's

1052
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,520
sufficient that Chief was confident he
could get a hose out to it and

1053
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:11,199
everything, right?
>> Yeah, he is. Okay. I'm looking to see

1054
01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:16,560
» because there's not one on site, per se.
>> Not on site specifically. No, but the

1055
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:21,920
hydrogen is they're actually using the
hydrogen right now to fill the

1056
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:25,800
the uh water truck.
>> The water truck.

1057
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,800
» Okay.

1058
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,239
» Let's see.

1059
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:37,440
Yeah. And then another little thing is
like page nine's placing the container

1060
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:42,080
the battery containers 200 ft southwest
of Pond Street, but then the table on

1061
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:48,920
page uh table one on page 11 is saying
it's 118 ft to the nearest public way.

1062
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:48,920
So that needs to get figured out.

1063
01:15:54,880 --> 01:16:03,080
But these again, these seem like more
like clerical just inconsistencies that

1064
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:03,080
just need to be addressed.

1065
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:12,640
And so
looks like we're all on this email

1066
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:17,440
anyway. Um, so Rich, should I just reply
all and send this?

1067
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:21,760
» Don't reply all.
>> Should just reply to you.

1068
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:27,360
» Yes, please. as noted during our
meeting.

1069
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:30,800
» I did. All right. So, Rich has that now.
>> Great.

1070
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:34,800
» Okay. I know that Melissa earlier today
had asked a question to fire chief. I

1071
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:37,120
don't know a chance to take a look his
response.

1072
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:39,760
» Yeah. I don't know if you guys did. It
was just today. I sent it to Betsy in

1073
01:16:38,719 --> 01:16:45,199
case you want to put it on the screen,
Bets. the um my question that I had at

1074
01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:50,400
the last meeting when I was asking about
secondary containment. My fear was that

1075
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:55,120
if there was um and of course all the
experts have said very very very

1076
01:16:52,719 --> 01:17:01,760
unlikely that we'd have a catastrophic
right catastrophic failure but in the

1077
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:05,679
case that there is right um the F500
encapsulator that the chief mentioned he

1078
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:12,239
would use to flood
>> the um the container. I was like, "Okay,

1079
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:15,440
so the F500 itself is eco-friendly and
it's biodegradable, but what happens

1080
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:20,000
when it's encaps encapsulating something
that's hazardous material or hazardous

1081
01:17:17,199 --> 01:17:24,000
whatever, right?" And where we have the
storm water right at the bottom of that

1082
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:28,239
hill, I was afraid that it would, you
know, in my mind this would overflow and

1083
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:31,840
it would go down the hill and now it's
in the storm water basin and now it's in

1084
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:35,040
the ground. Um, and so I reached out to
the chief and just said, "Can you just

1085
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:38,800
basically put my mind at ease or tell me
that I'm that you think I'm right?" you

1086
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:41,520
know, either way. Um, but can you just
let me know your thoughts on this from

1087
01:17:40,239 --> 01:17:45,040
all of your training that you've gone
through? And, um, obviously I'm not I'm

1088
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:48,640
not a firefighter, so I don't know what
it's like to use F500 and, you know,

1089
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:52,800
spray it into an enclosed container and
all that. Um, so he wrote back and I

1090
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:56,640
sent the message to Betsy, um, cuz I
think it was it was very very very well

1091
01:17:54,400 --> 01:18:01,840
written and immediately took away all of
my concerns. Um but he mentioned um I'll

1092
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:07,120
give you a couple of things that he
mentioned which is basically um even in

1093
01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:12,239
the very very very rare um worst case
scenario that there was a fire and that

1094
01:18:09,199 --> 01:18:16,960
they did have to um flood the container
um even if it was a teeny tiny little

1095
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:20,000
bit of of the F500 or or even the water
that came out, it's still going to be

1096
01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:24,080
significantly less than a structure
fire, which we have all the time around

1097
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:27,360
here, or a car fire. Um, and so when you
put it in perspectives like that, you

1098
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:30,880
know, it just it made me feel a lot
better because we're all thinking when

1099
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:34,640
you read, you know, Facebook, especially
with folks that are concerned, you

1100
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:38,159
picture explosions, you picture, you
know, there's going to be like a hose

1101
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:40,480
going into this container and, you know,
and it's and it's going to spray

1102
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:43,600
everywhere and it's going to go
downstream and it's going to be in our

1103
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:46,719
storm water and there's a water body
right across the street. And so I was

1104
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:49,840
concerned about that, but the chief um,
Betsy, can you pull up that email from

1105
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:56,199
chief? Thanks.
um was was definitely very very helpful

1106
01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:56,199
and put me at ease.

1107
01:18:56,239 --> 01:19:03,360
» Well, give or take. I would say the
hydrant we could show you on the civil

1108
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:05,920
too afterwards, but it's probably like
within 50 ft for the entrance drive.

1109
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:10,120
That's right.
>> Yeah, that's sufficient.

1110
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,120
» Yeah.

1111
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:22,840
» And I think you guys were copied on the
email, right? So, you saw should send it

1112
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,840
over. Yeah.

1113
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:34,640
» Yeah. He's become like a statewide
authority in my opinion on

1114
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:36,159
» Chief Kenny. He's great to work with,
too.

1115
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:39,600
» Yeah.
>> Um but yeah, he said he's, you know, I

1116
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,520
mean, he said in our in our training,
you know, the forum that we had.

1117
01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:44,880
» Yeah.
>> He's learned so much. you guys have

1118
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:48,239
said, you know, he obviously, you know,
he's learned a lot, too, cuz you've been

1119
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:53,280
working with him and your teams have
been. But it's good. I think this was a

1120
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:56,640
good exercise as much as it was, you
know, delayed your project quite a bit.

1121
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:59,199
Um, but now you know how to do a hazard
mitigation analysis.

1122
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:02,199
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

1123
01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:07,960
» Uh, okay. Yep. So, that's Chief's
response to me.

1124
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:19,679
Where are you guys at with the ZBA?
>> So,

1125
01:20:18,159 --> 01:20:25,040
the last time we met with them, which
was two hearings ago, um they had a a

1126
01:20:23,679 --> 01:20:30,239
couple things they said that they wanted
to see happen on site before they gave

1127
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:36,000
an approval. And those things have been
accomplished now. Um, so

1128
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:40,159
you know, I hope we can close out with
the ZBA as well, but I'm not

1129
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:42,719
» Did the fencing go in on the back there
where they're worried about like the

1130
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:48,719
grade drop?
>> So, the fencing, all the the um poles

1131
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:54,080
are in, but they're putting the mesh uh
chain link up in the back still. Um, and

1132
01:20:52,239 --> 01:21:01,760
then we got the temporary protecting the
front and then um around the guy wires.

1133
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:05,239
So, um it'll be up before we're there.
all the way around.

1134
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,840
» Any other questions?

1135
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:14,440
» Any questions online?

1136
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:20,400
» No,
>> we don't have beta tonight, right?

1137
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:26,400
Beta's not on.
>> No, there wasn't

1138
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:30,719
any civil
questions left. I think we I think we

1139
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:36,000
talked about it before, but just making
sure that everything that's been done

1140
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:42,560
thus far is consistent with what was
previously approved on the site and any

1141
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:47,920
previous conditions that were part of
that that are relevant to the site to

1142
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:51,440
date have been met. But I think beta has
confirmed that.

1143
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:54,080
» Yeah. And
>> in our last call when they were on I

1144
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:59,280
think
>> Yeah. But even so I took it as so I'm

1145
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:04,320
putting together just a step further.
I'm going I I took the I don't have it

1146
01:22:02,639 --> 01:22:08,960
for you. I'm working on it for you to
provide the 2022

1147
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:14,239
decision
2024 decision essentially 22 they never

1148
01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:18,159
really got to build out on it because it
came in for the modification. So I took

1149
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:20,800
I took the original one and went through
all the conditions and I have an

1150
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:24,239
explanation for them. I'm going to
provide that to you. Okay. have to plan

1151
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:26,320
in Brazilian board of appeals to go
back.

1152
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:32,480
» Um
>> the primary in one respects

1153
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:38,239
» they have
since I helped draft the decision for

1154
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:44,880
the planning board back in 2021.
I certainly it's arguable but the fence

1155
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:48,719
was not intended to be a fence to be put
in in the beginning. was a perimeter

1156
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:52,080
fence that be done with the project was
a I know it's kind of morphed through

1157
01:22:50,719 --> 01:22:57,199
the process and that's kind of the thing
I want to put in this response because

1158
01:22:54,080 --> 01:23:00,560
that's kind of morphed over time. Um I
applaud them putting out the signage but

1159
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:05,520
the signage was more for on the
permanency side of it not an interim to

1160
01:23:02,719 --> 01:23:10,080
those kind of things just to clarify. So
want to interpret that those conditions

1161
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:13,679
were not met. You can have that opinion.
But in terms I want to be able to kind

1162
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:16,400
of put it to writing. You know what I
mean? So we're not this back and so I'm

1163
01:23:15,679 --> 01:23:19,040
not
>> I really would like to end this back and

1164
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:24,000
forth.
>> Right. So um the decommissioning plan,

1165
01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:27,040
you know, that was submitted the
interconnection

1166
01:23:25,679 --> 01:23:30,960
stuff that they were submitted, the
racking system that was part of it. It's

1167
01:23:28,639 --> 01:23:37,040
in the file. So I'm trying to go back
through all those things and put it all

1168
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:40,960
together. So, it's a one like here's the
here's the condition, here's what was

1169
01:23:38,639 --> 01:23:44,639
done. Um,
which is a good exercise anyway. So,

1170
01:23:42,639 --> 01:23:48,800
» 100%. I mean, I think it's in our
interest and your guys' interest to make

1171
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:53,679
sure that this is buttoned up as tight
as possible.

1172
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:57,120
» Yeah. So, um, I will have that
>> the goal is to have that absolutely for

1173
01:23:55,199 --> 01:24:00,080
the CPA next week and I'll just follow
the plan, but I don't have it complete

1174
01:23:58,480 --> 01:24:03,040
for tonight. that was there. I was
trying to I was trying

1175
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:06,800
but
>> Okay.

1176
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:13,520
» So then I'm looking for a motion to
close the public hearing

1177
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:16,639
» for 90 92 96 100 on Pond Street.
>> So move

1178
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:21,040
» just quickly. So the plan would be we
would close the hearing and then next

1179
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:27,040
meeting
potentially vote on

1180
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:30,880
» decisions. This is what what I was
envisioning.

1181
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:35,600
» Yeah. closing the public hearing.
>> We keep it open for decision purposes

1182
01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:39,199
just for decision.
>> So not close it.

1183
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:42,400
» You can close the public comment portion
public hearing,

1184
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:48,239
» but keep the hearing open quote unquote
if you need to have something related to

1185
01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:52,400
completion of the decision be finalized
>> and then have it finalized.

1186
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:55,600
Well, actually drafted in between. It's
already been drafted, but I know there's

1187
01:24:53,679 --> 01:24:58,239
some changes that need to be done to it.
that you could vote on at the October

1188
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:05,120
meeting.
>> Okay. Yeah, that all sounds great to me.

1189
01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:10,639
Um I just want to see the same level of
diligence on the SWIP updates at the

1190
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:14,480
October meeting as we got tonight in
order to

1191
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:20,880
vote to move the project forward. But
otherwise, I'm good.

1192
01:25:18,719 --> 01:25:26,199
» And congratulations on your hazard
mitigation analysis turning all green.

1193
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,199
» Thank you.

1194
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:31,679
Sorry, I interrupt. So, I'll second
Melissa's motion to close.

1195
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:36,400
» Do we have to stipulate that it's only
the public portion? Oh,

1196
01:25:34,239 --> 01:25:40,000
» prefer that. All right. So, looking for
a motion to close the public portion of

1197
01:25:38,239 --> 01:25:43,840
the 90929600
100R Pawn Street public hearing.

1198
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:46,800
» So moved.
>> Have a second. All those in favor? I

1199
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:50,639
» I
>> All right. The reason why is cuz you had

1200
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:54,719
asked a question, so I wanted you to be
able to get that info.

1201
01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:59,040
» Sure. And there might be a little
>> I concur.

1202
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:03,280
» Okay. So then for next time it's so the
hazard mitigation you're going to work

1203
01:26:00,159 --> 01:26:06,320
on that any inconsistencies, right?
>> And then the SWIP updates which you guys

1204
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:09,679
are obviously doing well on now
>> and then we'll have a decision drafted

1205
01:26:07,679 --> 01:26:12,639
and ready or reviewed because you're
going to send it to us ahead of time and

1206
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:16,239
we're all going to do homework and then
we're going to agree or disagree and

1207
01:26:14,719 --> 01:26:19,360
we'll make amendments and then we'll
vote on it.

1208
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:22,800
» Yes.
>> All right. So we've got a a green flag

1209
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:25,760
right now.
>> Great. digging it. Appreciate the time.

1210
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:28,880
» All right. Thanks so much.
>> Thank you, everyone.

1211
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:34,239
» Thank you.
>> All right. Now, we've got our interview

1212
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:39,199
with Stephen Silski. Did I do good?
>> Awesome. First round.

1213
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:41,120
» All right. Come on up, Stephen. That
>> was way off from what I was going to

1214
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,679
say.
>> Me, too.

1215
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:47,920
» I've been sitting here practicing it for
the last 10 minutes.

1216
01:26:46,639 --> 01:26:50,960
» Thank you, everyone.
>> Hello.

1217
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:54,000
» Hello. Thanks for having me. And we're
45 minutes late for the appointment,

1218
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:57,679
which is normal for planning.
>> Yeah. Welcome. Welcome to the planning

1219
01:26:55,360 --> 01:27:02,080
board.
>> That wasn't the case last week. Last

1220
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:06,480
week's meeting wasn't
>> so I don't know

1221
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:09,360
if you I hope you didn't decide that you
were going to come forward because of

1222
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:14,239
that meeting because it's usually that
was a really really short one.

1223
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:18,480
So, please introduce yourself, tell us
where you live, uh, what's interesting

1224
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:22,239
for you with regards to the position
available and we'll go from there.

1225
01:27:20,159 --> 01:27:26,880
» Sure thing. Um, good evening. Nice to
meet you all. Um, my name is Steve

1226
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:34,239
Silski. I'm a resident of 33 King Street
in Norol. Um, I've been here with my

1227
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:40,000
wife for the last 10 years. Um, and I've
been a really passionate commuter to the

1228
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:43,440
town, but haven't been involved at all.
Uh I woke up a few months ago and

1229
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:50,000
saying, you know what, this is my town.
This is my community. Um but I haven't

1230
01:27:46,639 --> 01:27:53,440
put any thumbrint on this space. Uh I
don't really know what's going on in the

1231
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:57,520
town. I don't really know many people.
You know, every day I when I commute

1232
01:27:55,199 --> 01:28:03,280
into Boston, I I sit stand around the
same 12 to 15 people silently sipping

1233
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:07,760
coffee, but don't have any relationship.
Um and I want to change that. So, um, I

1234
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:13,040
looked on the website, looked at
committee options and opportunities, and

1235
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:17,040
I saw that this was one of the options.
Um, I don't have a background in

1236
01:28:14,639 --> 01:28:20,639
planning. Um, don't have the foggiest
idea about planning, but I do have a

1237
01:28:18,719 --> 01:28:24,320
background in psychology. I'm an
organizational psychologist by

1238
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:28,960
education, which means I understand
systems and people and elements and

1239
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:35,639
friction points. And um, I think I could
offer some opportunity and some skills

1240
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:35,639
with that. Awesome.

1241
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:42,400
So, uh, any comfort level looking at
like some of the plans that you might

1242
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:45,440
have seen tonight?
>> Um, good at asking questions.

1243
01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:50,320
» Okay,
>> that's important.

1244
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:52,400
» So, um, comfort low, but um, I'm eager.
I'm willing.

1245
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:54,960
» That's not a hard skill to pick up, I
will say.

1246
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,560
» Yeah, I I was able to follow what he was
doing and

1247
01:28:56,080 --> 01:29:01,280
» Yeah,
>> that's a witness test. Good job.

1248
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:06,960
» Thank you. All right.
>> Which train are you on?

1249
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:10,080
Um the I leave my house at 6:30. So it's
the 642.

1250
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:12,239
» 6. Yeah. Nice. Okay. I I alternate
between the 6.

1251
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:15,760
» You hear that everybody? He's he's
looking for a coffee buddy in the

1252
01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:18,239
morning.
>> No, I was just I Your face is vaguely

1253
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:23,120
familiar. So I think
>> Yeah. I'm usually on the platform.

1254
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:27,120
» Me too. Yeah. So
>> I'm I'm not

1255
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:30,719
work reading the Wall Street Journal.
You know,

1256
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:36,719
» I'm the guy who's trying to get to a
table as soon as possible. so I can hop

1257
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:42,880
on email before I get to the office.
>> Um, in your tenure here um in town, have

1258
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:45,520
you seen any of kind of like the
activities that the planning board has

1259
01:29:44,239 --> 01:29:50,159
sponsored with regards to like the
master planning uh sessions or any of

1260
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:53,199
the um any other stuff? Okay,
>> I haven't. And that's actually one of

1261
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:58,239
the things I'm really interested in is
is, you know, driving back and forth to

1262
01:29:55,520 --> 01:30:04,080
Route One, seeing all the construction,
um, wondering what's going on there. Um,

1263
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:08,239
to to learn about the the stop and shop
space and that there's actual movement

1264
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:12,159
there is is really great, too, cuz
talking to my neighbors about this stuff

1265
01:30:09,679 --> 01:30:17,280
and what's going on. Really don't know.
>> So, um, I haven't,

1266
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:21,440
» but really curious. This is also a
learning opportunity for us to see how

1267
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:24,560
well like ours are getting out there,
right? Like

1268
01:30:22,719 --> 01:30:28,239
» um you know, I know you both have been
to like several farmers markets,

1269
01:30:26,239 --> 01:30:31,840
community day events and stuff like that
to try and get the the word out. And I

1270
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:37,520
know Chief Kenny had had a lot of stuff
going on with the fire place uh the fire

1271
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:42,159
department um the fireplace
>> the fire department's uh building. Um

1272
01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:45,280
there was uh B1 committee work that
happened uh during that time frame as

1273
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:51,360
well.
um

1274
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:55,440
avid reader of the the town's newsletter
>> periodically.

1275
01:30:52,320 --> 01:31:00,880
» Okay. Right. Any other questions?
>> Yeah, I haven't seen one in a while.

1276
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:06,639
» In your in your 10 years here, is there
something that looked to be a planning

1277
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:10,000
decision that you questioned or or
>> I've been questioning the space since I

1278
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:10,880
got here? Wondering
>> which space?

1279
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:14,400
» The uh
>> downtown here.

1280
01:31:11,679 --> 01:31:19,360
» Downtown space. Okay. you know, you you
drive by and like this is such fertile

1281
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:22,400
space for something. There's opportunity
for community.

1282
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:27,360
» And that that's one of the things that
kills me the most is there isn't a space

1283
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:32,159
where I could trip over somebody and
say, "Oh, hey, you live on King Street,

1284
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:36,719
too, or whatever." Um, it doesn't
happen. I mean, the places you go to are

1285
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:41,280
Neados, you go to the Horse, or you go
to um Eaglebrook. Th those are three

1286
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:48,000
restaurants almost on the edge of town
that really don't serve as a social um

1287
01:31:46,639 --> 01:31:50,800
hub space. Yeah.
>> If you would like to trip over people,

1288
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:54,159
Honey Bean, other side.
>> I went there today for lunch.

1289
01:31:52,159 --> 01:31:57,120
» Um you Yeah, it's great.
>> I picked up a smoothie for my wife.

1290
01:31:55,679 --> 01:32:00,800
» Yeah.
>> But what you're referencing is the third

1291
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:04,560
space, right? Which is like, you know,
we have our primary space and our

1292
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:07,600
secondary space, and it's usually work
and home. And then what's the third

1293
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:12,080
space? what's the right
>> Starbucks level or coffee shop that

1294
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:16,639
everybody and and yeah it's very
difficult for towns uh for anywhere to

1295
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:17,679
establish that it's a building block of
community.

1296
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:20,880
» Yeah,
>> it's really it's a general issue from

1297
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:24,800
what I've learned in my planning books
for the design of suburbs in general is

1298
01:32:24,239 --> 01:32:28,880
you know
>> money doesn't solve it either. It

1299
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:31,840
» does not. No. Um, but yeah, we do need
to build community

1300
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:35,360
» and there's no I I I want to be careful
with you saying that because I don't

1301
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:39,280
think we have a shortage of community
because when it comes time for us to put

1302
01:32:36,719 --> 01:32:42,080
together community events, we show up in
>> place making community.

1303
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:46,639
» Yeah, I think it's that part of the
aspect, right? Like the informal

1304
01:32:43,440 --> 01:32:52,239
» the July fireworks, community day. Um
even uh the farmers market, you know,

1305
01:32:49,199 --> 01:32:56,000
those are huge events for us. Um the
Thursday concerts on the common, those

1306
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:59,280
are all well attended. and Sunday they
were doing the socials on the town hill,

1307
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:03,280
you know, so there's no shortage of
community or people wanting to get

1308
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:06,800
together to do things. I think we're
just

1309
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:10,480
I don't think we have the human capital
to continuously plan and and always put

1310
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:14,080
those things on, right? And I think
there's other boundaries that we put

1311
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:18,560
upon ourselves either from a bureaucracy
perspective or otherwise that, you know,

1312
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:22,320
precludes us from using Pawn Street in a
certain way or from activating some of

1313
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:27,120
the other locations in town that we have
access to. Um, you know, not to mention,

1314
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:29,840
you know, dilapidated old town hall
properties that we could probably

1315
01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:34,560
renovate and do something else with.
>> I tooured it last week. Love it.

1316
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:37,120
» Are you going to take it yet?
>> You're going to clean it out?

1317
01:33:35,679 --> 01:33:39,199
» Yeah.
>> Love it.

1318
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:42,239
» Kevin Roach and I are going to go in
with a dumpster. Or actually, no. We

1319
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:46,800
decided construction trash bags. If you
would like to get to know people, you

1320
01:33:44,239 --> 01:33:49,199
can come clean out a town hall with us.
>> When's this?

1321
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:52,400
» I don't know yet, but I'll let you know.
I live near you.

1322
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:55,040
» Knock and be like, "We're on our
Absolutely.

1323
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:58,960
» That's enough of me on my soap box,
though. Any other questions?

1324
01:33:56,560 --> 01:34:04,080
» Yeah. And you're aware of the non-
voting status or the rules around the

1325
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:05,679
position? I assume you guys explain that
to

1326
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:08,639
» for the this specific
>> for the associate member.

1327
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:12,719
» Yeah. I don't think I'm trying to
recall. So in terms of the associate

1328
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:17,600
member,
the only thing I would say voting wise

1329
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:22,320
statutoily is if there's special permits
before the planning board, you'll be

1330
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:27,520
able the planning board has treated the
associate member like a member of the

1331
01:34:24,719 --> 01:34:31,920
board for most everything input and so
forth and so on. But in terms of voting

1332
01:34:29,679 --> 01:34:34,400
wise, it's only special permits.
>> Mhm.

1333
01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:40,159
» And that's only if needed based on if
somebody had a missed a meeting or

1334
01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:44,080
not really conflicts per se with this
board cuz they're don't have other

1335
01:34:42,239 --> 01:34:48,880
business things going on. But anyway, so
that's where it comes. Now, I will say,

1336
01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:53,920
however, there is still there is pending
I don't know if it's moving as of yet to

1337
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:56,800
make associate planning board members to
have full voting rights. I mean, you've

1338
01:34:55,679 --> 01:35:00,080
been saying that since I was an
associate member, Rich.

1339
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:04,639
» Well, I keep saying
>> you're manifesting it. I'm manifesting

1340
01:35:02,239 --> 01:35:09,199
that. But anyway, but it's a good
proving ground or a testing ground, a

1341
01:35:06,639 --> 01:35:11,920
learning ground for other things.
>> You know what? That makes sense.

1342
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:13,760
» You think has changed over the year? I'm
sorry. Were you still

1343
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:18,400
» We have
>> I started off Yeah, I started off as

1344
01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:21,280
» I was going to ask if you um would you
consider running,

1345
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:25,760
» you know, if you do this for a little
while as running for a full-time

1346
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:29,840
» seat? Yeah.
Um, I was just going to say I think over

1347
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:34,159
the years I think my
thought on what the associate position

1348
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:38,320
is might be different than 10 years ago,
you know, when the board members that

1349
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:41,360
were on then some of them anyway really
wanted you to have construction

1350
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:44,719
experience or planning experience or I
think it's it's a good way to get to

1351
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:48,159
know what's going on in town and it's
low risk. I started as an associate, you

1352
01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:52,560
did too, right? and you
>> um and it was for me I thought it was a

1353
01:35:50,239 --> 01:35:56,239
really good way to learn for a year you
know learn and see if you even like it

1354
01:35:54,239 --> 01:36:00,000
because 3 years is a long time if you're
an elected member and you know so um

1355
01:35:58,239 --> 01:36:04,400
that for me I was like oh great I can
start for a year I can listen to what's

1356
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:08,000
going on you can contribute um it's just
you know it's five votes typically in

1357
01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:12,960
the off you know Rich mentioned the
special scenarios but um but it's it's

1358
01:36:10,639 --> 01:36:16,080
kind of like a low pressure way to get
involved and to learn and then you get

1359
01:36:14,639 --> 01:36:19,440
to meet other people from other boards
it just happens naturally and you get to

1360
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:22,239
know what they're doing. Um, so I think
it's a good way to get to know what's

1361
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:25,840
going on in town and then if you decide
like this isn't for me or maybe I think

1362
01:36:24,159 --> 01:36:29,040
this other board would be better, you
can switch and go to another one. You

1363
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:32,159
know, it's just I think it's a low risk
and I don't think you need planning

1364
01:36:30,639 --> 01:36:35,040
experience cuz a lot of the time you
just need curiosity and work ethic, you

1365
01:36:34,719 --> 01:36:38,560
know,
>> try to sell him on it. He's here. He's

1366
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:42,000
» No, I'm just saying like I think over
time like I've heard of people that

1367
01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:44,719
didn't get like people voted against
them for you.

1368
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:48,320
» Yeah. No, I I love the fact that you're
coming into it without kind of

1369
01:36:46,639 --> 01:36:52,080
experience. I like the fact that you're
coming to it from like a systems

1370
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:56,159
thinking and organizational perspective
as well. I think that would be a huge

1371
01:36:54,480 --> 01:36:59,440
benefit to be honest.
>> I appreciate you bringing up the

1372
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:01,520
limitations and I'm not here for the
authority yet.

1373
01:37:00,159 --> 01:37:03,679
» No, no, totally. I just want to make
sure that

1374
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:05,760
» No, I appreciate the heads up though.
No, some people

1375
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:10,320
» it would be awkward for me to vote and
be like, "Oh, wait. Sorry."

1376
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:13,600
No, there is um there have been people
that haven't wanted to be the associate

1377
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:16,480
because they they would like to be able
to vote and I'm like I would give you my

1378
01:37:15,199 --> 01:37:21,440
vote in a heartbeat. I would I just want
to do the work. I don't really you know.

1379
01:37:18,639 --> 01:37:23,199
» So this year alone we scared away three
people. So

1380
01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:26,239
» well that's because they told them what
it actually was. Nobody actually knew

1381
01:37:24,480 --> 01:37:29,280
what the planning word was before they
asked me and then they weren't

1382
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:35,440
interested once they knew.
>> Should I have done more work here?

1383
01:37:33,119 --> 01:37:40,000
You're fine with the the commitment the
you know once a month meeting

1384
01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:43,280
» the countless emails at all hours of the
night

1385
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:46,960
» joking sounds great
>> never never reply to all

1386
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:50,400
» where I think that this and I'm not
saying this because I'm one of the

1387
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:55,119
people but I think that this is a very
impressive board and a a good group of

1388
01:37:53,040 --> 01:38:00,159
people who are engaged and you know
thinking concretely about how to advance

1389
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:04,880
the town in the you know the best way
that respects where it's come from and

1390
01:38:02,639 --> 01:38:10,080
you know where it's going and so I think
you know somebody that shares that um

1391
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:13,679
motivation and intention would be well
suited to to join as

1392
01:38:12,239 --> 01:38:20,159
» I think it's a really important position
to be a steward of to acknowledge the

1393
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:24,560
historical like essence I mean we are an
incredible town when you look at the

1394
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:29,040
other towns and the development of other
towns we've held on to some really

1395
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:31,679
significant acquaintance you don't get
that

1396
01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:35,040
» really post that Did you post that on
Facebook?

1397
01:38:32,639 --> 01:38:40,400
» There's one specific group,
>> but but I I THINK

1398
01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:44,320
» stay away.
>> I I'm your point is well taken. I

1399
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:48,560
» I forgot.
>> I appreciate that. If I could give you a

1400
01:38:45,679 --> 01:38:52,800
heart emoji, I would.
>> You can.

1401
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:56,719
» All right. So, do we have to vote?
>> So, the nuts and bolts of it is Yeah,

1402
01:38:54,480 --> 01:39:00,400
you do have to vote to a joint
appointment between the select board and

1403
01:38:58,719 --> 01:39:05,199
the planning board. select board is
already approved.

1404
01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:11,760
» No, we we to recommend you
>> first off on the uh and

1405
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:16,960
if you so choose to make the
recommendation, it's probably possible

1406
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:19,280
it might be able to be on their agenda
next

1407
01:39:18,639 --> 01:39:22,639
Monday.
>> Monday the 14th.

1408
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:27,040
» The next the select board meets on the
14th next Monday. So it could be that

1409
01:39:24,719 --> 01:39:31,199
quick.
>> All right. So then I am looking for a

1410
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:35,920
motion to recommend Steven Suzilski for
planning board member or planning board

1411
01:39:33,119 --> 01:39:37,600
associate member to the select board.
>> So moved. Do

1412
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:39,199
» you have a second?
>> Second.

1413
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:43,520
» All those in favor.
>> I unanimous.

1414
01:39:41,679 --> 01:39:45,760
» So one more vote and then we'll see you
in October hopefully.

1415
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:47,040
» Thanks Steve.
>> Pleasure meeting you.

1416
01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:50,400
» Thank you.
>> Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

1417
01:39:48,639 --> 01:39:53,920
Looking forward to it. Thanks for the
chair or vice chair could attend next

1418
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:56,560
Monday night. And in the meantime, um,
Steve, if you're looking for something

1419
01:39:55,040 --> 01:40:00,560
to read, we have a 200 and something
page master plan on the town website.

1420
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:04,080
» Just put it into Claude and ask him all
the questions.

1421
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:06,080
» 200 and how many?
>> It's It's a really good read. Don't

1422
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:08,960
worry.
>> It's It's 200 something, though.

1423
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:11,920
» Read it right before bed.
>> Your sales pitch needs work.

1424
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:17,119
» I know. I know.
>> Um, Richard Rich, um, the meeting next

1425
01:40:15,119 --> 01:40:19,600
Monday. Should I plan on attending that
or is that

1426
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:21,360
» Mark your calendar? We'll confirm that.
>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

1427
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:23,760
» Great.
>> Thank you all. Thank you.

1428
01:40:23,119 --> 01:40:32,119
» Have a good night.
>> You too.

1429
01:40:26,159 --> 01:40:32,119
» Um I will do my best. It's at what 7.

1430
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:39,199
» I'm sorry. What? What did you ask?
>> Can you and or I

1431
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:41,600
» chair vice company Steven to
>> Oh, I'm sorry. And then I started

1432
01:40:40,719 --> 01:40:44,880
talking over you.
>> Yeah. You scared them off.

1433
01:40:43,199 --> 01:40:46,639
» You can meet him by Zoom as well.
>> Yeah, you can by Zoom if you want. You

1434
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:49,760
know,
>> I'll be on a train from New York.

1435
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:53,760
» I mean,
>> so I will do my best. I mean, Dan joined

1436
01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:56,480
from a plane the other day. Gary joined
from

1437
01:40:54,080 --> 01:41:00,960
» That's illegal. Every other country
you've gone to.

1438
01:40:58,719 --> 01:41:05,520
» I did not join the Zoom from a plane. I
watched the live Norfolk community

1439
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:11,520
television stream from a plane.
>> Okay. But you were on it.

1440
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:16,960
» But I has joined from like 2 a.m. from
>> France, Costa Rica, Aruba.

1441
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:19,520
I'm missing one.
>> Edinburgh.

1442
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:22,719
» It's the way to do it.
>> Scotland. So you think so you're on a

1443
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:25,280
train? You said
>> I'm on a train back from New York.

1444
01:41:24,639 --> 01:41:28,560
» That's not
>> What time's your train live?

1445
01:41:26,719 --> 01:41:31,280
» I don't know. I haven't booked it yet.
>> Conveniently, it's right around that

1446
01:41:29,679 --> 01:41:35,199
time.
>> I know at this point I know of all the

1447
01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:41,119
places where you can get enough service.
>> So I will I will offer this up to we on

1448
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:44,960
the 28th the select board. So still we
could if the schedule works better that

1449
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:48,239
way you can do on 28th and then you can
come and he still could be available for

1450
01:41:46,480 --> 01:41:50,080
October. So I mean
>> otherwise

1451
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:52,400
» two bites of the apple.
>> Otherwise it's the 14th.

1452
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:55,360
» Yeah.
>> Okay. So if it needs to be if it's the

1453
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:57,280
14th I can do it and then if you want to
do if the

1454
01:41:56,080 --> 01:42:01,280
» I'll try and join on the 14th.
>> I've also joined from a hospital bed.

1455
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:05,920
» Yep.
>> I think I joined from from bed one time

1456
01:42:04,239 --> 01:42:08,239
too when I was deathly ill but we needed
that last vote saying. So find that spot

1457
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:13,920
on the train.
>> I joined during co dam upgrade for a

1458
01:42:11,119 --> 01:42:17,440
seller and just blind expense it and say
you didn't know the policy. It's very

1459
01:42:15,679 --> 01:42:22,560
admirable that you're joining in the
hospital bed and the plane and that just

1460
01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:26,000
shows the dedication.
>> You joined from

1461
01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:29,119
» All right. Can we change topics now?
>> Master plan implementation update. How

1462
01:42:27,679 --> 01:42:30,639
are we doing? Have we implemented it
yet?

1463
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:33,920
» Not yet.
>> All right. Next one. Zoning button. No.

1464
01:42:32,239 --> 01:42:38,639
» Wait. No, there is. There's nothing.
>> Um, so I went to the select board last

1465
01:42:37,119 --> 01:42:43,520
week and my
>> You can't go next week. Joking.

1466
01:42:40,639 --> 01:42:48,480
» I said I'm joking. Um, I looked at my
calendar, but no, the um I went last

1467
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:52,400
week. Dan joined the way that he did
from the plane. Um,

1468
01:42:51,119 --> 01:42:54,560
» the way that
>> the legal way,

1469
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:59,080
» the legal way
>> in compliance with all FAA rules.

1470
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:06,639
» Um, and my plan, my goal was to get a
vote from select board that they agree

1471
01:43:04,719 --> 01:43:09,760
with our, you know, with what we're
doing and all the owners because now we

1472
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:14,560
have owners tied to the different
topics. and I created my charter for my

1473
01:43:13,199 --> 01:43:17,360
category and showed them what it would
look like and then yours would obviously

1474
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:22,960
be similar. I'll send it out to you all
just so you can see. Um but um but I

1475
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:27,600
didn't tell Rob or Amanda that I was
expecting a vote until after the notice

1476
01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:31,600
went out. So they are good with uh
select board. They're they like what we

1477
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:35,199
have done. Um but I have to go back for
a vote because I did not tell them I

1478
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:37,360
wanted a vote and so they didn't post it
that way. But that's fine.

1479
01:43:36,159 --> 01:43:41,920
» Maybe they could do it on Monday.
>> Why do we need Why do we need the vote?

1480
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:46,239
I It's like just our
>> municipality stuff.

1481
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:47,280
» Have him do it Monday.
>> Yeah,

1482
01:43:46,639 --> 01:43:48,560
» could do that.
>> Yeah.

1483
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:49,440
» Oh, wait. If I'm going to be there
anyway.

1484
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:52,080
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

1485
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:54,239
» Save yourself a trip.
>> Serious

1486
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:58,080
Monday.
>> For the economic development committee

1487
01:43:56,320 --> 01:44:01,280
work stream. Do I have to start like
recruiting people?

1488
01:43:59,440 --> 01:44:03,840
» Oh, okay. So, they did ask about that.
They asked how we were going to recruit

1489
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:06,560
because typically if it was a
subcommittee, you know, it goes out on

1490
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:10,719
the website and it goes on the, you
know, the website where nobody really

1491
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:15,280
looks except um Steve.
And so I was hesitant to do it that way

1492
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:18,239
because I know that it doesn't, you
know, obviously we have to put it out on

1493
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:21,360
social media and um and it's not
officially a subcommittee. And so I was

1494
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:25,199
working through all of like how we do
that. And I figured we because we want

1495
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:28,159
people to just not be committed to a
certain term and they can't be if it's a

1496
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:30,880
working group and just have like
different people that have different

1497
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:34,480
skill sets that want to jump in and help
us with a certain task or something. I

1498
01:44:32,719 --> 01:44:38,719
figured we could all just recruit our
own people however in conversations when

1499
01:44:36,159 --> 01:44:41,600
we meet them. But then um I believe it
was Rob who said, "Well, we could put it

1500
01:44:40,159 --> 01:44:46,159
out on the website and social media as
well so we can do both." Um, so I what I

1501
01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:50,639
was thinking is as soon as we have their
official vote, then we could, you know,

1502
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:54,080
put an email out in social media or put
it on the website, whatever we decide to

1503
01:44:52,159 --> 01:44:58,400
do, and say, "Here are the the owners
for these particular topics. Here's the

1504
01:44:55,920 --> 01:45:02,639
focus area. Here's their town email. If
you'd like to, you know, help in any

1505
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:06,239
way, reach out." And I told them that we
would um be giving updates to our, you

1506
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:09,040
know, at the planning board probably
quarterly. It'll probably be more like

1507
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:14,159
rolling for us though as we have
updates. So could be monthly at a

1508
01:45:11,679 --> 01:45:19,920
minimum quarterly. I think but and that
we would um give the select board an

1509
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:24,080
update as well um quarterly they would
like updates and they wanted to make

1510
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:27,360
sure that um we're working with you know
like the energy committee for example

1511
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:32,800
would fit into one of the categories I
think maybe it was infrastructure um but

1512
01:45:30,639 --> 01:45:35,760
you know there's already committees that
exist and so they wanted to make sure

1513
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:39,840
that we're going to interface with them
and not kind of reinvent the wheel and

1514
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:43,679
create some silo and so yeah so I was
like no no no like we'll definitely be

1515
01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:46,800
working with the with town employees,
with other, you know, boards,

1516
01:45:45,199 --> 01:45:50,880
committees, whomever fits into that
category. Um, and I figured once it's

1517
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:54,159
all officially approved from the select
board, I can put something together,

1518
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:56,960
send it out to all of you to make sure
you're okay with it. Or if you have

1519
01:45:55,199 --> 01:45:59,360
feedback, just before we push something
out to everyone saying if you're

1520
01:45:58,159 --> 01:46:03,119
interested in this topic, reach out to
Allerie. If you're interested in this

1521
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:08,320
one, reach out to Dan. Um, and just, you
know, keep it kind of simple, informal,

1522
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:10,000
and see what we can do to make some
progress.

1523
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:13,119
» Yeah, sounds good.
>> I'm ready to go. I have my market data.

1524
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:15,920
I'm ready to run with this.
>> Nice.

1525
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:16,960
» I did something last week.
>> Market data.

1526
01:46:16,719 --> 01:46:18,960
» Yeah.
>> Nice.

1527
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:21,600
» MEAPC had most of it already.
>> That's all right. You found it.

1528
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:23,920
» And then I just heard from PY that they
they're pulling it, too. So, I'm like,

1529
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:26,920
damn it. They could have done all the
work.

1530
01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:32,159
» No, but I appreciate it because you had
a good lens in the conversation already.

1531
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:36,719
» Yeah.
>> It's not It's not good. The data is not

1532
01:46:34,719 --> 01:46:39,040
good. But MAPC pointed that out before
like you're effectively a bedroom

1533
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:41,280
community. You've trained a whole
generation to go to other towns to do

1534
01:46:40,719 --> 01:46:42,880
stuff like that.
>> True. That's why we need to get

1535
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:44,800
creative.
>> Yeah.

1536
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:48,400
» Little bits at a time.
>> But what I'm hearing is that people

1537
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:49,440
don't want to continue to do that.
Right.

1538
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:53,360
» Right.
>> Just the outcry for the ice cream store

1539
01:46:51,199 --> 01:46:55,520
that opened up across from Four Kicks
was huge,

1540
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:59,760
» which twice.
>> Yeah. I heard it's good.

1541
01:46:57,440 --> 01:47:05,520
» So, you know, it's that's the thing that
I don't want to miss out on.

1542
01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:08,639
» No, completely. Yeah. It's just what
what are the do we have to take baby

1543
01:47:07,119 --> 01:47:12,239
steps to get there? I guess is like I
don't want businesses to go out of

1544
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:17,280
business. So if we can find a lowerc
cost way for phase one

1545
01:47:15,199 --> 01:47:20,960
I mean you're probably like our perfect
case study right here, right? Like you

1546
01:47:19,119 --> 01:47:25,119
already have your business
>> and all of your you don't need to do you

1547
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:28,159
don't need the costs of a storefront,
you know, you already have it down pat

1548
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:31,360
and you have all these.
>> Yeah. So it's like

1549
01:47:29,679 --> 01:47:34,880
» but alternatively what if you were just
providing goods to a established

1550
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:38,480
business that was there
>> that could sell to the state which is

1551
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:40,719
another layer.
>> There's also

1552
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:47,679
» Mhm.
>> So like my my vertical here is

1553
01:47:45,119 --> 01:47:54,159
» economic development. I've also broken
record time talked about potential for

1554
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:59,440
co-op in town
to act as that

1555
01:47:56,159 --> 01:48:03,840
» combining space. So, these are
conversations that I wish weren't

1556
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:06,719
quarterly.
>> Quarterly, like, but I understand

1557
01:48:05,119 --> 01:48:10,719
they're rolling and like there's not
going to be a set like every month or

1558
01:48:08,719 --> 01:48:15,119
every meeting there's an update, but
these are conversations where

1559
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:18,080
» I mean, I can't say the timing is right
cuz investment money is really hard to

1560
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:22,719
come by and getting anybody to
underwrite stuff is really hard.

1561
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:27,119
» Um, but like the to the point, the time
is now because this is what people want.

1562
01:48:24,639 --> 01:48:31,119
So, and just I don't know if I was I
just want to make sure I said this

1563
01:48:28,159 --> 01:48:35,440
clearly, but the um we will be working
in our own groups on our own whenever we

1564
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:38,560
want. You know, it could be weekly. It
could be every day if we want. Um

1565
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:41,440
» I'm going to live and breathe it.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1566
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:45,920
» Quit my job.
>> Do your free job, one of your free jobs

1567
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:49,600
full-time. Um but yeah, so we can be
working on in their working groups where

1568
01:48:47,679 --> 01:48:52,639
you know wherever whenever and then we
just bring the updates back here so that

1569
01:48:51,199 --> 01:48:56,080
we're communicating them out to anybody
that's you know watching our meetings.

1570
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:59,040
So I think it's good that we keep it on
the agenda every month and then you know

1571
01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:01,840
select word we can just give them an
update quarterly and I don't know that

1572
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:06,719
we need to go to the meetings because
Tai is our liaison. So we could also

1573
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:11,920
just give her an update I think and then
she could bring it there back. Yeah.

1574
01:49:10,159 --> 01:49:16,480
» It's cool though. I like that this is
the next step of the master plan cuz I

1575
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:21,119
remember when I moved here. It was post
the prior master plan and there was a

1576
01:49:19,119 --> 01:49:26,159
part of the the town website that had
like a video they had created and but

1577
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:31,280
then there was no this is the fault of
anybody. It was just there just it is

1578
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:34,320
what it is. There was no like next step,
>> right? It was like this is what we want

1579
01:49:32,719 --> 01:49:37,600
which is awesome.
>> There's no next step. There's no

1580
01:49:35,679 --> 01:49:40,560
engaging with develop, you know, with
with the building owners and see if

1581
01:49:39,119 --> 01:49:44,400
they'd actually tear down their building
and add a second floor emblem.

1582
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:47,280
» I keep hearing about this video. I've
never seen it. Do you have a a copy

1583
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:48,960
somewhere that you can share?
>> I'd love that.

1584
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:51,040
» It's well done.
>> Yeah,

1585
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:53,119
» it was well done.
>> That was when there's going to be a

1586
01:49:52,159 --> 01:49:55,440
bridge.
>> Yeah.

1587
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:56,560
» Into the MBTA lot.
>> That's right.

1588
01:49:56,000 --> 01:50:01,360
» Yeah.
>> Oh, yeah. I've seen that.

1589
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:06,719
» We could have used that bridge.
>> Better serviced than Montreal.

1590
01:50:05,119 --> 01:50:11,679
A broken bridge. We don't need another
broken bridge.

1591
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:15,199
» Is Is that Montreal thing still off of
Sharon's Avenue there? Did everybody

1592
01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:16,560
drive? It's still there.
>> Just like

1593
01:50:15,679 --> 01:50:19,199
» the podway.
>> Yeah, the pod.

1594
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:22,560
» Yeah. Hasn't
>> hasn't moved in years.

1595
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:26,480
» No sprouting on the pod yet.
>> Yeah.

1596
01:50:25,119 --> 01:50:31,040
» Still the weirdest thing that's come
across this board, I think.

1597
01:50:29,440 --> 01:50:34,960
» We're forward. We're progressive. What
can I say? All right. zonoting bylaw

1598
01:50:33,119 --> 01:50:41,119
committee updates.
>> So, want to dive in or

1599
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:49,280
» Yeah, dive. I think two
main updates. Um the first is we had a a

1600
01:50:46,639 --> 01:50:52,639
good discussion at our last meeting um
that Rich put together with Mr.

1601
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:56,480
Deplactoido. Is that right? Did I say
that right?

1602
01:50:53,440 --> 01:51:00,239
» Um to kind of give us a perspective of a
developer, you know, in town, what what

1603
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:05,679
they're looking for, what moves the
needle, what doesn't. Um, and I think

1604
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:10,320
had a good got a good sense from him of,
you know, how to focus some of the the

1605
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:15,840
work of the the zoning bylaw review
committee. Um, part of the conversation

1606
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:20,719
was around the open space bylaw and
whether or not, you know, that would

1607
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:25,119
kind of have the effect that we wanted
it to. Um, and the feedback that we kind

1608
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:29,440
of got there was not nec not necessarily
that there were some kind of good pieces

1609
01:51:27,119 --> 01:51:34,800
to it, but just kind of charging forward
with that. it was unlikely to kind of

1610
01:51:32,239 --> 01:51:38,800
move the the needle on anything. So I
think our recommendation

1611
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:44,880
around that would be to not move forward
with that for the fall um town meeting.

1612
01:51:42,480 --> 01:51:49,440
I think what we are what we are going to
do is kind of take that apart and take

1613
01:51:47,679 --> 01:51:54,639
some of the pieces out of it and include
it in sort of a holistic view of you

1614
01:51:52,320 --> 01:52:00,639
know different incentives or or things
that you could do like um density

1615
01:51:57,679 --> 01:52:06,639
bonuses or you know stuff like that. Um
and kind of have a whole aim to have a

1616
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:12,639
more holistic suite of those things to
propose to the planning board to then go

1617
01:52:09,599 --> 01:52:18,000
to the spring town meeting. Okay.
>> Um, so I think the the sort of next

1618
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:21,920
steps on on that are um we're kind of
all getting back together as a group at

1619
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:26,560
our next meeting to kind of put together
like a little bit of a matrix of like

1620
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:32,080
what are the different ideas or
components or kind of stuff that we

1621
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:37,760
think could move the needle or make a
difference. what does it look like now

1622
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:42,719
and what could we propose as a change to
further incentivize the you know right

1623
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:46,159
type of development that we want to see
>> and you are you basing that on kind of

1624
01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:49,040
like what other tones have done and seen
success with as well or

1625
01:52:47,679 --> 01:52:52,400
» it's it's a little it's kind of
everything like in my mind the first

1626
01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:56,080
step is sort of like a like throw all
the ideas in there and then start to

1627
01:52:54,480 --> 01:53:00,639
like wade through it and see what's
worked what hasn't worked and

1628
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:06,159
» I think um Mr. Placid O2 was saying like
basically what we were proposing is what

1629
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:08,880
all towns do and so we're I think we
need to get creative with that too

1630
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:13,840
because it's not you know he was talking
about like from a cost perspective for a

1631
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:18,639
developer there frontage like just even
that alone being 50 ft from the road

1632
01:53:16,159 --> 01:53:22,400
versus 200 you save a ton of money in
utility connections right so just get

1633
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:26,159
thinking outside the box like that he
thought that what we had before was more

1634
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:29,440
like the copy paste of what towns
typically do but we're at a point where

1635
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:33,599
we need to start thinking about it
differently. Yeah.

1636
01:53:31,199 --> 01:53:38,560
» Yeah. It would have been really if our
if our goal and intention behind it was

1637
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:42,320
to add more open space into town, it
would have been a decent thing to try to

1638
01:53:40,719 --> 01:53:47,599
think about. But if our goal is to try
to, you know, incentivize developers to

1639
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:53,760
not go the 40b route, then that's not
exactly how to how to do it. Um, and

1640
01:53:50,480 --> 01:53:56,080
while I hugely support any and all open
space in town, you know, I think one of

1641
01:53:55,040 --> 01:54:03,040
the things we're really trying to do
with this is figure out how to get

1642
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:09,040
developers away from 40B into um
other types of of development and also

1643
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:11,599
looking at smaller house sizes. Is it 40
Y is that the

1644
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:16,560
» So, that's where it brought forward the
idea of the 40 Y is

1645
01:54:14,480 --> 01:54:19,679
» yet another opportunity that could
accomplish some of the same goals.

1646
01:54:17,920 --> 01:54:23,760
Right. But also on this the note of the
open space that we have in town, we're

1647
01:54:22,159 --> 01:54:27,360
not necessarily good stewards of that
either. There's a ton of open space

1648
01:54:25,679 --> 01:54:32,320
that's overgrown and there's no trail
access except for a sign or and there's

1649
01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:35,360
no parking either in a lot of these
>> if there's even a sign.

1650
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:39,679
» If there's even a sign and so
>> and then and then some of the idea

1651
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:44,719
behind is just really how we develop.
Not necessarily that's going to be

1652
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:50,159
trails. It's like smaller development
footprint for leaving tracks that land

1653
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:54,560
open and undeveloped. It doesn't nec
have to always be a trail or just

1654
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:58,320
» Exactly. It could just open space isn't
always for human use.

1655
01:54:56,239 --> 01:55:01,119
» Right. Right. Yeah. It was more Exactly.
habitat and so forth.

1656
01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:05,199
» And I think that's the part that we keep
trying to attach to it as some sort of

1657
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:10,400
like a human purpose as opposed to just
it being preserved space.

1658
01:55:06,719 --> 01:55:15,199
» Mhm. So really kind of gave credence to
kind of continue to move forward with

1659
01:55:11,599 --> 01:55:18,159
the 40y program in terms of so that's
that was kind of I think the sense of

1660
01:55:17,679 --> 01:55:22,880
that.
>> Yep. Yep. So, we'll be reconvening on

1661
01:55:20,719 --> 01:55:28,159
that in September. And I think um
acknowledging that if we are going to

1662
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:34,000
kind of put together a comprehensive
um proposal, you know, we really got to

1663
01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:38,400
get cracking and be back here to the
planning board by the very beginning of

1664
01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:42,239
next year in order to potentially do
something for the spring town meeting if

1665
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:46,400
we if that's the direction we want to
go.

1666
01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:49,760
» Any questions on that?
>> Nothing on that. I do see something in

1667
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:51,599
here around a moratorium on data
centers.

1668
01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:54,719
» I'm about to get to the second one.
>> All right.

1669
01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:58,320
» So, no questions on the first one.
>> Nothing on the first one.

1670
01:55:55,840 --> 01:56:04,159
» All right. So, the second the second
update is we have discussed a potential

1671
01:56:00,639 --> 01:56:09,840
for a moratorum on um data centers. And
the the issue that we're trying to

1672
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:17,599
tackle here is not to ban data centers
per se. It's to have an opportunity as a

1673
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:21,840
town to take a look at uh
take a look at having actual zoning. it.

1674
01:56:20,719 --> 01:56:27,920
Whether or not we would want to have
actual zoning for data centers in town

1675
01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:33,840
that, you know, are are kind of setting
this up in a way um where we do it kind

1676
01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:39,280
of with diligence and with purpose and
not all of a sudden have a proposal come

1677
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:43,520
in the door and we've got no zoning,
we've got no rules, we got no no idea

1678
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:47,520
how to respond to it and the whole town
is is up in arms. So kind of taking an

1679
01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:52,239
opportunity to say, you know, we're
going to formally say no data center

1680
01:56:50,159 --> 01:56:56,480
proposals for either one year or two
years, and that's the place that we want

1681
01:56:53,840 --> 01:57:02,000
feedback from from this group while we
actually study it as a potential use in

1682
01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:08,639
town. Um, and get feedback, you know,
from people in the town whether or not

1683
01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:13,920
if if one could be done in a way that
isn't super water intensive, falls

1684
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:18,000
within the noise ordinances.
um you know is located away from

1685
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:23,119
residences, stuff like that. Would we
ever actually entertain that? Because

1686
01:57:19,760 --> 01:57:31,280
the reality is like it's a it's a huge
property and commercial tax opportunity

1687
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:35,520
with next to no impact on town services.
So I think

1688
01:57:33,679 --> 01:57:39,440
the short way of saying it is we want to
be diligent. We want to take a little

1689
01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:44,960
bit of time to look at this. We don't
want something to come in, you know,

1690
01:57:41,679 --> 01:57:48,920
under the radar. um and completely blow
up it in the meantime.

1691
01:57:49,119 --> 01:57:56,000
I agree.
>> Cool. And it may well be that we do this

1692
01:57:53,280 --> 01:58:00,239
moratorum and then
we discuss as a planning board and we

1693
01:57:58,159 --> 01:58:06,080
take input from residents and the final
decision is we're just not going to

1694
01:58:03,280 --> 01:58:09,520
allow this in town and then we would
move forward accordingly with that. But,

1695
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:13,119
you know, we don't necessarily want to
preclude the opportunity to gather

1696
01:58:11,360 --> 01:58:19,760
feedback to see if there could be a
right way to to to do that.

1697
01:58:17,280 --> 01:58:24,560
» Where would viable space in town even be
for this? Aside from Southwood,

1698
01:58:22,159 --> 01:58:29,280
» two things. One, Southwood is is the
one, but then two, like, you know, a

1699
01:58:26,639 --> 01:58:33,520
data center isn't necessarily like like
Amazon or Meta or something like that is

1700
01:58:32,159 --> 01:58:36,480
not going to come build a data center in
Norfol, right? like the amount of real

1701
01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:40,000
estate that they need is like so
astronomical they would they wouldn't

1702
01:58:38,159 --> 01:58:43,679
even come to New England never mind nor
>> we also wouldn't have like a traditional

1703
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:46,239
like water cooled one either we don't
have

1704
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:50,880
» but something but some some sort of like
smaller

1705
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:55,280
cloud storage operation
like that yeah or like something

1706
01:58:52,639 --> 01:58:59,440
colllocated that you know all of a
sudden everybody could start to spin up

1707
01:58:57,599 --> 01:59:04,000
that oh that's a data you know a data
center and then we don't have anything

1708
01:59:00,639 --> 01:59:07,440
in the zoning or any way to to put kind
guard rails around it. Um,

1709
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:10,080
» so you get the tax improvements of a
last mile distribution center without

1710
01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:14,320
the
>> traffic. Traffic. Yeah.

1711
01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:19,599
» Cool.
>> And again, you know, not saying not

1712
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:22,560
prejudging the outcome, just ensuring we
have the opportunity to consider it.

1713
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:27,119
» I think that's the important piece
because along with the tax revenue, you

1714
01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:31,280
also get like highly skilled labor as
well. That could be like, you know,

1715
01:59:29,440 --> 01:59:36,400
students from Tri County, you know,
their future electricians, plumbers,

1716
01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:38,320
you've got, you know, technicians, all
of that. That's

1717
01:59:36,960 --> 01:59:42,599
» it's a huge thing for the building
trades for sure.

1718
01:59:39,599 --> 01:59:42,599
» Absolutely.

1719
01:59:42,639 --> 01:59:51,920
» So, I think there's two things that we
wanted to run by this group. One is the

1720
01:59:48,480 --> 01:59:56,320
definition as proposed and two is the
timeline, whether it should be one year

1721
01:59:53,679 --> 02:00:01,040
or 2 years. And I think Rich remind me
we've more or less like lifted and

1722
01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:05,760
shifted from what Mansfield had put
together.

1723
02:00:01,679 --> 02:00:11,840
» Yeah, we we built off the moratorium and
Mansfield had done with adding the

1724
02:00:09,679 --> 02:00:16,480
definition. So tell so as we kind of got
into discussion about this

1725
02:00:14,239 --> 02:00:20,480
one approach which the committee didn't
recommend was to just create a

1726
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:26,960
definition kind of comprehensive
definition go in prohibit it outright

1727
02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:31,360
use table and then do the study and then
come back and change it later on. Um

1728
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:36,480
that wasn't the preferred method. So,
but in that process, the town council

1729
02:00:34,159 --> 02:00:43,040
forwarded data center definition which I
put into the one that came from

1730
02:00:39,520 --> 02:00:46,320
Mansfield modeled after that. So,
>> what's our um

1731
02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:50,639
» with the exception of definitions, it's
exactly what was in the one from

1732
02:00:48,159 --> 02:00:54,560
Mansfield that got approved by the AG.
>> What's our hit list look like for the

1733
02:00:52,239 --> 02:00:57,119
next 12 months? Like if we're talking
timelines, right? Like we've been

1734
02:00:55,760 --> 02:01:00,159
» So, that's why I was advocating for 2
years.

1735
02:00:57,840 --> 02:01:03,280
» I would not want it to go that long. It
doesn't have to go that long.

1736
02:01:02,080 --> 02:01:05,440
» We can pull it and
>> lift it.

1737
02:01:03,840 --> 02:01:06,480
» You could do it sooner.
>> Okay.

1738
02:01:06,080 --> 02:01:08,639
» But
>> but what's the mechanism by which

1739
02:01:08,080 --> 02:01:11,119
lifting it?
>> Huh?

1740
02:01:09,199 --> 02:01:14,960
» What is the mechanism by which it gets
lifted? Is it a town meeting?

1741
02:01:13,280 --> 02:01:18,639
» You have to go back to town meeting to
lift it early, which I think would be

1742
02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:21,440
very difficult to to do.
>> But we could also extend it

1743
02:01:20,159 --> 02:01:24,639
» by the same mechanism.
>> Right.

1744
02:01:22,560 --> 02:01:28,000
» So I mean for me like
>> I would like to put the pressure on us

1745
02:01:26,239 --> 02:01:31,440
to get something done within a year to
be honest. That's where my head is

1746
02:01:29,280 --> 02:01:35,520
because like I think to this the point
Dan was making earlier like there is

1747
02:01:33,360 --> 02:01:39,840
potential upside to this. It's not a
definite upside but

1748
02:01:38,320 --> 02:01:42,840
we're we're smart and we've moved fast
before.

1749
02:01:44,239 --> 02:01:49,239
You don't you don't trust us. You don't
believe in us.

1750
02:01:49,679 --> 02:01:56,320
» It's not that I don't believe
>> I'd like I'd like us to have this on the

1751
02:01:54,159 --> 02:02:00,000
fall town warrant. Well, that's what
we're aiming to do is

1752
02:01:57,760 --> 02:02:04,080
» and I I'd like to go for a year. That's
my vote.

1753
02:02:01,599 --> 02:02:08,239
» I'm I'm totally fine for a year. I I
think the only other thing is if there

1754
02:02:05,679 --> 02:02:12,239
was concern you could go like instead of
going two years, if you went a year and

1755
02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:15,599
a half
um

1756
02:02:14,719 --> 02:02:20,719
» 18 months,
>> 18 months, you'd be kind of better

1757
02:02:17,840 --> 02:02:24,960
aligned with a town meeting schedule to
either to extend it at the end of that.

1758
02:02:23,199 --> 02:02:28,080
I mean, you went to the spring of 2018.
I could see that versus cuz so basically

1759
02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:31,199
we
>> But then that pulls us into the whole

1760
02:02:29,440 --> 02:02:33,679
fiscal conversation again and then we
have money on the brain.

1761
02:02:32,159 --> 02:02:37,119
» Hold on. Let's play it out though,
right? So the fall is is challenging in

1762
02:02:35,920 --> 02:02:42,000
general with the zoning because you're
coming out of the summer. So you're

1763
02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:45,760
developing a bylaw discussion point of
the what the the bylaw is about to do

1764
02:02:44,239 --> 02:02:50,560
the homework ahead of time to educate
about it is tough in the fall. Mhm.

1765
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:53,920
» So
that means you'd be like trying to get

1766
02:02:52,400 --> 02:02:58,639
this done next fall and you're coming
out of the summer from next year and if

1767
02:02:57,040 --> 02:03:01,119
you're thinking about trying to do 40
and some other things in the spring of

1768
02:03:00,159 --> 02:03:04,320
2027
>> alternatively at that point we're

1769
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:08,320
looking at saying hey you know what we
don't have enough yet we're going to

1770
02:03:05,360 --> 02:03:11,199
push it out another year
>> just can't come in soon

1771
02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:18,239
» or you could do it till you could do it
to December 31st 2020 or January 1st

1772
02:03:15,199 --> 02:03:26,400
2028 and then if you're not far enough
at the fall 27 town meeting of where you

1773
02:03:22,320 --> 02:03:30,320
want to be. You could add a year to it.
So, you're at least there like a couple

1774
02:03:28,480 --> 02:03:32,960
months right before you could have a
pretty solid sense check of where you're

1775
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:34,639
going to be
>> in that time.

1776
02:03:33,679 --> 02:03:38,639
» Yeah. We should know if we're going to
make it or not by then. Yeah.

1777
02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:42,440
» And then that's like 14 months instead
of a year, right?

1778
02:03:43,760 --> 02:03:50,880
» Sounds reasonable.
>> Okay. The other thing I'll note, you may

1779
02:03:48,719 --> 02:03:55,840
or may not seen that the governor issued
an executive order in Massachusetts on

1780
02:03:52,639 --> 02:03:59,119
on data centers today. Um what she said
was you're not going to get state

1781
02:03:57,520 --> 02:04:02,560
permits if you don't have community
support. So basically like in order to

1782
02:04:00,800 --> 02:04:07,199
get your permits from the state, you
need a a community benefits agreement

1783
02:04:04,400 --> 02:04:12,960
that's signed on by a town. Um I don't I
don't think that that should change our

1784
02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:18,159
approach here um with the moratorum to
to talk about the the zoning. No, but

1785
02:04:16,159 --> 02:04:22,639
what was I tell you politically?
>> That it's a voting year.

1786
02:04:19,199 --> 02:04:27,520
» That it's an election year. Yeah.
>> Well, aside from that,

1787
02:04:25,199 --> 02:04:30,639
» not the answer Rich.
>> No, I think it's

1788
02:04:28,639 --> 02:04:34,639
» maybe there's some lessons learned.
>> It's take your time. I know you want to,

1789
02:04:32,639 --> 02:04:39,320
you know, whatever. We could we can go.
I just I don't know what the

1790
02:04:40,159 --> 02:04:46,159
We'll go with what you want. I my only
hesitation is and I haven't had the

1791
02:04:44,560 --> 02:04:50,880
opportunity to discuss with councils and
maybe it's fine but generally speaking

1792
02:04:49,040 --> 02:04:56,080
moratoriums are for a set period of time
just go keep going for extensions. So I

1793
02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:58,639
wonder about the legal grounds of like,
all right, we get to hear, well, we're

1794
02:04:57,280 --> 02:05:02,960
not quite ready and we go extend,
>> but you don't have to extend it. You

1795
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:05,599
could do a new moratorum
next fall.

1796
02:05:04,080 --> 02:05:08,639
» That's
if you're worried about like not

1797
02:05:07,119 --> 02:05:14,480
extending it. You just take another
one-year moratorum effective January

1798
02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:17,760
1st, 28 to next fall town meeting.
>> Yeah. It's interesting. Is that just

1799
02:05:15,679 --> 02:05:20,159
like segmentation? You you did it once
and then you're going back and stuff.

1800
02:05:19,280 --> 02:05:22,239
It's a
>> I mean we do that with a lot of things,

1801
02:05:21,920 --> 02:05:26,880
» huh?
>> We do that with a lot of things.

1802
02:05:24,159 --> 02:05:33,119
» Well, moritium moratorium is a different
>> Oh, gotchaally per se. Yeah, legally,

1803
02:05:29,440 --> 02:05:36,000
but but would you say January of 28?
>> No, 27.

1804
02:05:34,719 --> 02:05:40,840
» No, 28. Yeah. Yeah.
>> It would end January 1st, 2028.

1805
02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:55,599
I mean at the rate of 28
>> I put in December. So I went

1806
02:05:52,560 --> 02:05:59,360
» at the rate of development of how
everything's going from a technology

1807
02:05:57,280 --> 02:06:03,280
perspective within 5 years the data
center is going to be an appliance in

1808
02:06:00,639 --> 02:06:08,080
your house. Right? So like if there's
something that we want to try and do

1809
02:06:05,199 --> 02:06:12,639
from like a a tax benefit perspective is
going to be to allow something like this

1810
02:06:10,400 --> 02:06:16,560
but within the guard rails that we're
describing, right? Like it's just it's

1811
02:06:15,119 --> 02:06:21,599
going to continue to get closer and
closer to us and we want to be able to

1812
02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:24,480
like relegate how it comes and it's not
something that we want to take our time

1813
02:06:22,960 --> 02:06:30,719
on. It's something that we have to act
quickly on. And I think you can always

1814
02:06:26,560 --> 02:06:35,040
add I I feel my non lawyer lawyer point
of view on this is that you can you can

1815
02:06:33,119 --> 02:06:40,800
add another moratorium and you can't
you're not going to be able to end it

1816
02:06:36,560 --> 02:06:46,239
early or or reduce it. And so
>> I think if you had a bylaw that it's

1817
02:06:43,040 --> 02:06:51,760
ready to go to adopt it
sooner you wouldn't think if you had

1818
02:06:49,360 --> 02:06:55,760
let's just say for discussion you had
the bylaw ready for the spring

1819
02:06:54,960 --> 02:07:00,079
» 27
>> 27

1820
02:06:57,360 --> 02:07:03,280
not 27 is not a good one that that's a
bad example but if you do have it ready

1821
02:07:02,159 --> 02:07:07,679
for the fall
>> well that's a question for to town

1822
02:07:05,040 --> 02:07:12,159
council does a bylaw override a
previously passed moratorum

1823
02:07:09,599 --> 02:07:17,360
So you would really two votes there. One
would be the adoption to first would be

1824
02:07:14,719 --> 02:07:20,320
the remove the moratorum then then to
vote the bylaw.

1825
02:07:18,320 --> 02:07:26,159
» But that's just that makes it a bigger
hurdle to pass to to end the morator

1826
02:07:25,520 --> 02:07:31,360
bylaw.
>> Pass the bylaw. Can you pass the bylaw

1827
02:07:28,159 --> 02:07:34,639
to a date like to the January 1st 2028
in the

1828
02:07:32,159 --> 02:07:38,079
» vote? Yeah, I've definitely seen like
>> because then anybody who's like

1829
02:07:36,239 --> 02:07:42,239
interested
>> would know what's coming like what date

1830
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:46,480
it would be on the table.
>> Well, I think there's there's consensus

1831
02:07:44,239 --> 02:07:49,520
to to put forth a moratorum for the
fall. Is that true?

1832
02:07:47,840 --> 02:07:51,360
» I think we're looking at a moratorum of
14 months.

1833
02:07:50,800 --> 02:07:53,920
» Mhm.
>> Roughly.

1834
02:07:51,760 --> 02:07:58,800
» I'd rather
do that than not do anything.

1835
02:07:56,560 --> 02:08:03,440
» Yeah. And then if you can rich ask town
council if we found ourselves in a

1836
02:08:01,199 --> 02:08:08,079
position next fall where we felt like we
needed a good chunk of more time could

1837
02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:13,679
we either extend that moratorum or pass
a fresh one-year moratorum to add on to

1838
02:08:10,719 --> 02:08:16,719
that.
>> Okay.

1839
02:08:15,199 --> 02:08:23,199
» But I agree. I think we should really
try in 14 months to understand is this

1840
02:08:19,199 --> 02:08:26,560
something that we don't want to see here
or is this something where under the

1841
02:08:25,199 --> 02:08:35,560
right conditions with the right guard
rails we would be interested in at least

1842
02:08:30,480 --> 02:08:35,560
reviewing and potentially improving.

1843
02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:43,599
Now, the companion to that or this
discussion, oh

1844
02:08:41,280 --> 02:08:47,119
was I sent you an email out of checking
your schedules.

1845
02:08:45,599 --> 02:08:48,560
You would need to hold a special
meeting.

1846
02:08:47,679 --> 02:08:51,199
» You love these.
>> Oh, I forgot to respond to that.

1847
02:08:49,920 --> 02:08:55,000
» I don't even understand this.
>> I didn't see it either, Rich.

1848
02:08:55,280 --> 02:09:01,360
» I did. I just ignored it.
>> Oh, well, at least I appreciate your

1849
02:09:00,880 --> 02:09:05,679
honesty.
>> I just want to be transparent.

1850
02:09:03,119 --> 02:09:08,800
» Transparent that you ignore. Okay. Now,
>> no, I did see it. I just

1851
02:09:06,639 --> 02:09:11,119
» I just want you to know why that's true.
Well, if you read the email, but

1852
02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:13,520
» when did you
>> When did you send that?

1853
02:09:12,159 --> 02:09:16,000
» I remember reading it. No, I don't
remember.

1854
02:09:13,840 --> 02:09:21,679
» It's uh it's called fall zoning bylaws.
It was sent on September 2nd, 6 days

1855
02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:24,880
ago.
>> Oh, you tricked me.

1856
02:09:23,040 --> 02:09:28,719
» The dates I would that Rich would like
us to consider is September 26th,

1857
02:09:26,719 --> 02:09:31,199
September 30th, or October 1st.
>> Oh, you're killing me.

1858
02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:39,119
» Wait a minute. Aren't I
>> September 28th Music Festival, man?

1859
02:09:35,360 --> 02:09:41,360
Well, you mean 28? Isn't the 28th the
steering committee meeting?

1860
02:09:39,920 --> 02:09:43,679
» Yeah, but I think we could squeeze those
in.

1861
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:47,040
» But I'm just saying your email said the
dates I would like you to consider as

1862
02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:50,320
September 28th, September 30th, and
October 1st.

1863
02:09:48,239 --> 02:09:53,520
» Gary just said the 26th.
>> I can't do the 30th. That's the last.

1864
02:09:52,480 --> 02:09:56,159
Sorry,
>> I can't read.

1865
02:09:54,719 --> 02:10:02,719
» I can only do the 28th.
>> I can do the 28th. I can try to hustle

1866
02:09:59,199 --> 02:10:07,199
back from Ocean City, Maryland by car
and be here on time.

1867
02:10:04,320 --> 02:10:13,280
» Well, so the other opt Well,
so I wasn't necessarily proposing

1868
02:10:11,199 --> 02:10:15,840
proposing it via Zoom, honestly, cuz I
didn't want to compete against meeting

1869
02:10:15,520 --> 02:10:19,599
room.
>> That's fine.

1870
02:10:16,480 --> 02:10:21,440
» You know, so this would be a Zoom only.
It's

1871
02:10:19,760 --> 02:10:25,000
» 6:30.
What time is our

1872
02:10:25,520 --> 02:10:34,560
thing? Is this uh seven?
>> What time does it mean? Oh my goodness.

1873
02:10:33,360 --> 02:10:36,639
Wasn't it a little bit earlier?
>> I thought we said seven. So Mike could

1874
02:10:36,320 --> 02:10:40,159
eat dinner.
>> I think he wanted to go later. That's

1875
02:10:38,560 --> 02:10:43,679
right.
That's correct. Mike wanted to go to 7,

1876
02:10:42,639 --> 02:10:47,199
not 6:30.
>> You want it to be a seven?

1877
02:10:45,199 --> 02:10:51,199
» No, this Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. This
is a different

1878
02:10:47,920 --> 02:10:57,040
» different convers. But I would I would I
would move that meeting before I would

1879
02:10:54,239 --> 02:11:00,239
not take this. You know what I mean?
>> Yeah. That meeting.

1880
02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:04,480
» Yeah. Like we could try to find like we
could pick another date later in the

1881
02:11:01,840 --> 02:11:07,119
week or something if the 28th works for
>> the planning board.

1882
02:11:05,360 --> 02:11:13,679
» Correct.
>> The 28th is was the next zoning bylaw

1883
02:11:11,280 --> 02:11:19,679
subcommittee. Got it. That's all. Let's
assume just put a message on

1884
02:11:16,560 --> 02:11:24,280
note on Zoom.
She wrote something. Was she ready?

1885
02:11:24,960 --> 02:11:28,920
» She put something in chat.

1886
02:11:30,320 --> 02:11:34,320
» I can't read that.
>> So, which day

1887
02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:37,920
» I have the meeting at 8:00 p.m. on the
20 6 p.m.

1888
02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:41,360
» 6 p.m. on the 29th.
>> What's up?

1889
02:11:39,440 --> 02:11:43,119
» Oh, 6 p.m. I can't do 6 p.m.
>> Oh, so

1890
02:11:41,840 --> 02:11:44,079
» Oh, wait. Is there a select board
meeting?

1891
02:11:43,360 --> 02:11:47,280
» Oh, that's what I knew.
>> That's what That's what it is. We are

1892
02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:50,000
going to meet the 29th because the
select boards meeting on Monday.

1893
02:11:48,880 --> 02:11:53,280
» Yeah.
>> Thank you, Sue.

1894
02:11:51,199 --> 02:11:55,679
» Thank Thank you. All right. So, the 20th
works for the plan, right?

1895
02:11:54,639 --> 02:11:57,599
» 28th.
>> Okay. All right.

1896
02:11:56,560 --> 02:11:59,440
» Is that still good?
>> That's still No, that's good.

1897
02:11:59,119 --> 02:12:02,079
» Okay.
>> And then on that meeting,

1898
02:12:00,560 --> 02:12:05,679
» it'll be at the same time as the select
coordinator.

1899
02:12:03,520 --> 02:12:11,199
» Yeah, which is fine. We'll be on Zoom,
>> right? You'll be on Zoom. And then on

1900
02:12:07,760 --> 02:12:15,679
that meeting, we will add the
recommendations for Norway Farms Drive.

1901
02:12:14,000 --> 02:12:18,159
Okay. Okay.
>> All right. So, we're just So, we're

1902
02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:20,480
talking about
>> Sorry, I'm trying to

1903
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:22,400
» September 28th.
>> Thank you.

1904
02:12:20,800 --> 02:12:26,079
» What time?
>> 6. Did we say 6:30?

1905
02:12:24,480 --> 02:12:30,079
» 6:30.
>> 6:30.

1906
02:12:28,159 --> 02:12:31,679
» Oh, by Zoom.
>> I'll make it work.

1907
02:12:30,719 --> 02:12:34,320
» What's that?
>> Nothing. Oh, good.

1908
02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:36,239
» I can do seven if I'll make it work.
That's fine.

1909
02:12:34,800 --> 02:12:39,119
» If it's zoom, whatever.
>> Yeah, if it's zoom, then I can take it

1910
02:12:37,760 --> 02:12:40,239
from wherever.
>> Yeah,

1911
02:12:39,520 --> 02:12:43,719
» except the plane.
>> Definitely be zoomed.

1912
02:12:44,560 --> 02:12:50,400
barely this way.
>> I will say I saw a guy across the aisle

1913
02:12:48,239 --> 02:12:52,480
from me was on an actual Zoom.
>> Really?

1914
02:12:50,960 --> 02:12:54,800
» Yeah.
>> How do you

1915
02:12:53,040 --> 02:12:58,159
» just like listen like listening in like
didn't say anything but

1916
02:12:57,760 --> 02:13:00,719
» what?
>> How do you do it?

1917
02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:06,520
» You Wi-Fi.
>> You just do it. They they don't block

1918
02:13:02,320 --> 02:13:06,520
it. They tell you not to.

1919
02:13:07,119 --> 02:13:12,560
» Don't get yourself taken out by scared
people. Is that what I'm saying?

1920
02:13:10,880 --> 02:13:15,840
» All right. Yep.
>> All the time.

1921
02:13:13,280 --> 02:13:18,400
» All right. Anything else on
any?

1922
02:13:16,719 --> 02:13:22,239
» Uh, no, that's it for that. All right.
Any plan updates?

1923
02:13:19,520 --> 02:13:25,760
» All right. So, just so from a process
perspective,

1924
02:13:23,119 --> 02:13:31,119
» so yeah, process I need the planning
board to vote to recommend

1925
02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:37,360
data set moratorum and change the date
because I have a

1926
02:13:33,920 --> 02:13:42,239
» you have December 31st of 2028. We have
to vote that now without seeing uh the

1927
02:13:40,480 --> 02:13:46,719
moratorium written up.
>> It's it's in your share folder.

1928
02:13:45,520 --> 02:13:49,440
» I thought that's what we were meeting
for.

1929
02:13:48,480 --> 02:13:54,719
» No, all the
>> No, you're this is accelerated schedule.

1930
02:13:52,639 --> 02:13:58,079
So, I put together the draft language
for you to vote to recommend tonight.

1931
02:13:56,960 --> 02:14:03,480
» Yep.
>> And we would just have to swap the date

1932
02:14:00,480 --> 02:14:03,480
out.

1933
02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:11,480
» All right. So knowing that right
>> 90% of us didn't read this yet.

1934
02:14:12,960 --> 02:14:21,199
» You're not prepared. Do you think not?
>> No. Not.

1935
02:14:19,199 --> 02:14:26,760
» Okay.
>> Well, 90% would mean that a half a

1936
02:14:23,760 --> 02:14:26,760
person.

1937
02:14:26,800 --> 02:14:30,119
Don't judge.

1938
02:14:31,360 --> 02:14:37,520
Um, so what's the feeling from the
board? Do you guys want to go through

1939
02:14:34,639 --> 02:14:41,679
and read this now or do you want to vote
on this in conjunction?

1940
02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:44,719
» Well, so you I can help you out a little
bit if you don't mind.

1941
02:14:43,280 --> 02:14:49,040
» Please.
>> This is sponsorship.

1942
02:14:46,800 --> 02:14:53,599
» You have a chance to read it if you want
to make amend adjustments. You could do

1943
02:14:51,199 --> 02:15:00,560
that too. So it's not like closed out.
It's just to start the bill process.

1944
02:14:56,960 --> 02:15:02,159
Remember conjunction to two.
Um

1945
02:15:01,199 --> 02:15:06,719
» schoolhouse rock.
>> Yeah. Come on now. We all know that.

1946
02:15:05,360 --> 02:15:08,639
» I'm I'm going to need you to do a
rendition of it for me. Please don't

1947
02:15:08,159 --> 02:15:12,040
remind me.
>> Just to be sure.

1948
02:15:12,320 --> 02:15:17,599
» All right, that's enough.
Never mind.

1949
02:15:15,280 --> 02:15:18,719
» I thought it was conjunction junction.
>> What's your

1950
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:21,840
» What's your function?
>> Yeah, I'm thinking of the bill. But I'm

1951
02:15:20,800 --> 02:15:28,639
» just a bell.
>> Just a bill.

1952
02:15:24,880 --> 02:15:35,199
» If we had an audience, we lost them.
>> Okay. So, knowing that we can still edit

1953
02:15:32,079 --> 02:15:38,320
this moving forward,
>> I'm fine with making a recommendation.

1954
02:15:37,679 --> 02:15:40,960
» Me, too.
>> Then we can read it and let you know if

1955
02:15:40,079 --> 02:15:41,920
we have any
>> Yeah.

1956
02:15:41,360 --> 02:15:44,880
» recommendations.
>> All right. Looking for a motion to

1957
02:15:43,440 --> 02:15:47,679
approve.
>> Sponsor.

1958
02:15:46,079 --> 02:15:51,599
» Sponsor
a article for temporary moratorium on

1959
02:15:50,480 --> 02:15:53,360
data centers.
>> So move.

1960
02:15:52,560 --> 02:15:55,599
» Second.
>> Second.

1961
02:15:53,840 --> 02:16:01,040
» All those in favor? I
>> with a January 1st

1962
02:15:58,960 --> 02:16:06,719
» January 1st 2028 expiration
>> with a January 1st 2028 expiration

1963
02:16:04,800 --> 02:16:09,119
» to that maybe a second motion or a
friendly motion sorry

1964
02:16:08,079 --> 02:16:11,760
» friendly amendment
>> friendly amendment

1965
02:16:10,159 --> 02:16:16,320
» to the moratorum
>> excellent that's super

1966
02:16:14,800 --> 02:16:19,360
» thank you a second
>> second

1967
02:16:16,719 --> 02:16:24,400
» all those in favor I
>> super

1968
02:16:21,040 --> 02:16:28,639
» super okay uh town planner updates
>> uh Uh, I don't have any.

1969
02:16:26,159 --> 02:16:31,520
» Um, now that we have a DPW person, are
we finding that other guy

1970
02:16:30,560 --> 02:16:33,840
» with that property?
>> 28 Long

1971
02:16:32,319 --> 02:16:39,840
» 28 Long Meadow.
>> Uh, I got to sit down with DPW director

1972
02:16:36,639 --> 02:16:42,240
and conservation agent and town council
and town initi.

1973
02:16:40,800 --> 02:16:45,359
» But they still continue to do what
they're doing over there.

1974
02:16:43,760 --> 02:16:46,960
» Not really, cuz they already did a whole
new one.

1975
02:16:45,840 --> 02:16:50,960
» It's all done now.
>> So now it's just about building. No,

1976
02:16:48,960 --> 02:16:57,120
» no, it's just there's a lot of uh
walking horses by my house mostly now

1977
02:16:55,359 --> 02:16:58,080
and I don't mind it, but my neighbors do
cuz

1978
02:16:57,519 --> 02:17:00,399
» What's that?
>> And controversy over the horses sitting

1979
02:16:59,760 --> 02:17:03,760
on the street.
>> Yes, that's why. Exactly. Why? Yeah,

1980
02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:06,399
they walk by my house.
>> Sure. It's cute.

1981
02:17:05,040 --> 02:17:10,240
» But I didn't realize that it was
bothersome to so many.

1982
02:17:08,479 --> 02:17:12,880
» Oh, there horses do that.
>> Oh, yeah.

1983
02:17:11,040 --> 02:17:18,359
» Well, so just in general, horses.
>> I mean, all animals,

1984
02:17:14,639 --> 02:17:18,359
» there's a book about this.

1985
02:17:20,000 --> 02:17:23,840
I got you.
>> All right.

1986
02:17:21,359 --> 02:17:29,040
» So, yeah, that that was the only tough
crowd right there.

1987
02:17:26,319 --> 02:17:31,760
» It's getting late, folks. Um 2020 states
meeting schedule typically second

1988
02:17:30,240 --> 02:17:35,840
Tuesday of the month. We've got October
13th as our next well the September

1989
02:17:33,760 --> 02:17:40,960
meeting that we just agreed to on the
28th and then following that up on

1990
02:17:39,519 --> 02:17:42,240
» October 13th.
>> Yep.

1991
02:17:41,679 --> 02:17:44,000
» Mhm.
>> That's

1992
02:17:43,120 --> 02:17:46,479
» why the 13th.
>> Do we have to agree?

1993
02:17:44,960 --> 02:17:49,040
» Did you have a vote on?
>> Yeah.

1994
02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:52,000
Wait, why? Hold on before we get that.
Why are we on the 13th instead of the

1995
02:17:50,559 --> 02:17:53,760
12th?
>> Cuz it's the

1996
02:17:53,359 --> 02:17:56,000
» What?
>> We don't meet on Mondays.

1997
02:17:55,200 --> 02:18:00,559
» What's up?
>> 12th. Oh, I'm looking at 2027.

1998
02:17:59,359 --> 02:18:05,280
» Wow, you're way ahead.
>> Yeah. So, that that

1999
02:18:02,960 --> 02:18:09,920
Jesus, did I do what I think I did? Did
I?

2000
02:18:06,240 --> 02:18:10,960
» Did you change your whole time to the
wrong year?

2001
02:18:10,639 --> 02:18:14,559
» Yeah.
>> Time travel

2002
02:18:12,719 --> 02:18:17,760
to the future.
>> Hold on. Did you take a supersonic jet?

2003
02:18:16,639 --> 02:18:21,599
» Am I free on the 28th?
>> What are we doing on the 28th?

2004
02:18:20,160 --> 02:18:26,080
» Nothing, apparently.
>> No.

2005
02:18:24,080 --> 02:18:28,880
» Guess what?
>> We just said we're

2006
02:18:27,359 --> 02:18:32,479
» No. No.
>> Yeah. Nothing.

2007
02:18:29,760 --> 02:18:38,479
» I got Oh, wait. Hold on. Sorry.
>> On the 28th at 6:30, we're having our

2008
02:18:35,439 --> 02:18:43,519
meeting on the public hearing for the
>> the bylaws and the Nor the vote on the

2009
02:18:42,240 --> 02:18:50,559
Norway farms.
>> Yes. And then on the 29th, it's

2010
02:18:46,240 --> 02:18:55,800
» Do I have time to advertise that?
>> We got almost

2011
02:18:52,479 --> 02:18:55,800
» 3 weeks.

2012
02:18:56,319 --> 02:19:01,240
» It's all ready to
>> Does it usually need two?

2013
02:19:02,800 --> 02:19:07,519
» It's got to go out.
>> Public size

2014
02:19:05,280 --> 02:19:11,080
» before Friday.
>> Hey, you have time.

2015
02:19:11,359 --> 02:19:15,920
» Not a lot of time.
>> Uh, no. I got to get it out this week.

2016
02:19:14,960 --> 02:19:19,439
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

2017
02:19:16,559 --> 02:19:24,080
» All right. 28th still works. Fine. Good.
Um, so the 13th, the 10th, and the 8th,

2018
02:19:22,399 --> 02:19:28,240
how are we feeling about these 10:30
meetings?

2019
02:19:25,359 --> 02:19:32,479
» 10:30. 6:30. I feel horrible about
10:30.

2020
02:19:30,000 --> 02:19:36,000
» Every Monday, we're going to make a
blood pack and we're going to think

2021
02:19:33,920 --> 02:19:39,920
about what comes out of our mouth before
we say it cuz I have so many different

2022
02:19:38,080 --> 02:19:43,840
dates and times that are wrong in
numbers and words.

2023
02:19:42,479 --> 02:19:46,880
It's been a long day.
>> Meetings November 10th.

2024
02:19:46,319 --> 02:19:48,880
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

2025
02:19:47,599 --> 02:19:51,600
» Oh, we got to change our meeting.
>> So, you do have to change them.

2026
02:19:50,160 --> 02:19:54,319
» You don't have to change that.
>> But, um,

2027
02:19:52,399 --> 02:19:55,600
» before you go there, October is 6:30.
Okay.

2028
02:19:54,720 --> 02:19:56,479
» 6:30.
>> Mhm.

2029
02:19:56,080 --> 02:19:59,680
» Yeah.
>> I like 6:30.

2030
02:19:58,399 --> 02:20:01,520
» You have to vote.
>> It worked fine for me.

2031
02:20:01,040 --> 02:20:04,800
» And then we'll
>> You do need to vote it though.

2032
02:20:02,880 --> 02:20:08,240
» All right. But hold on. Are we just
doing a peace meal again? Like where we

2033
02:20:06,720 --> 02:20:10,880
vote one or two of these or are we just
moving it?

2034
02:20:08,960 --> 02:20:14,560
» I'm safe. Move it. By memory serves, we
voted the schedule for the year earlier

2035
02:20:12,640 --> 02:20:20,880
on. Is that right? I think
>> yeah. Um

2036
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:23,520
» I'm pretty sure doesn't matter. It could
be. Do

2037
02:20:21,200 --> 02:20:27,359
» you want to just vote it 6:30 till the
end of the end of the year and then when

2038
02:20:25,359 --> 02:20:31,600
we come out with a new schedule?
>> All those in favor of moving the rest of

2039
02:20:29,680 --> 02:20:36,720
our meetings to beginning at 6:30 as
opposed to 700 p.m. Please.

2040
02:20:34,640 --> 02:20:40,160
» I need a second. Someone I got to get
out of here.

2041
02:20:38,960 --> 02:20:42,240
So moved. So moved. Right.
>> A motion. Second.

2042
02:20:41,680 --> 02:20:45,439
» Second.
>> All those in favor?

2043
02:20:43,680 --> 02:20:48,479
» I. All right. This is deteriorating
appropriately.

2044
02:20:46,240 --> 02:20:52,160
» But now we have to move the meeting on
the table, right?

2045
02:20:49,280 --> 02:20:56,240
» Fantastic. Yeah. So, November 10th.
>> Move it to the 17th.

2046
02:20:53,760 --> 02:20:59,439
» I am in Florida.
>> I think we have to go to the Well, we

2047
02:20:58,080 --> 02:21:00,640
can't do the third cuz that's election
day.

2048
02:20:59,840 --> 02:21:03,680
» Yeah.
>> If you guys do the 17th, I'll try to

2049
02:21:02,319 --> 02:21:06,960
dial in.
>> But don't we want to try and get one

2050
02:21:05,600 --> 02:21:14,000
before town meeting?
>> Oh. Oh. Oh. Right. right here.

2051
02:21:09,439 --> 02:21:16,640
» Do you want Is the ninth too close?
>> Oh, no.

2052
02:21:14,960 --> 02:21:19,920
» Do we I mean, do we really We don't
necessarily have to meet right before

2053
02:21:18,240 --> 02:21:25,120
like anything that's
>> No, anything will be done before that.

2054
02:21:23,120 --> 02:21:29,120
» Yeah, but we typically like we go
through flyers and whatever else just to

2055
02:21:27,520 --> 02:21:32,319
make sure like presentations are set and
all that stuff.

2056
02:21:30,399 --> 02:21:36,399
» So, you could be on a Monday, right?
>> What about the fourth?

2057
02:21:35,520 --> 02:21:39,120
» Wednesday.
>> Yeah.

2058
02:21:38,720 --> 02:21:43,760
Uh
>> cuz Tuesday's election day.

2059
02:21:41,200 --> 02:21:49,200
» No, that's the conserv conservation.
>> Yeah, conservation meets in here.

2060
02:21:46,160 --> 02:21:52,640
» Well, we can just do Zoom.
>> Oh,

2061
02:21:50,720 --> 02:21:56,800
» yeah. But
then you have to be in two places at

2062
02:21:54,160 --> 02:21:59,760
once. Do you do conservation?
>> I depending on what

2063
02:21:58,640 --> 02:22:03,120
» I do have to do that one.
>> Yeah.

2064
02:22:00,160 --> 02:22:09,120
» Yeah. We have the pond treatment
>> meeting. Go between the two rooms. I

2065
02:22:06,240 --> 02:22:12,399
can't do the second
and then that brings us back to October.

2066
02:22:11,040 --> 02:22:16,560
So I don't know if that's worth it. So
then literally I can't do the ninth

2067
02:22:14,800 --> 02:22:21,160
either.
So you can plan around me then.

2068
02:22:25,680 --> 02:22:32,520
Fifth. No. Nope. Okay.

2069
02:22:36,160 --> 02:22:41,439
And you said the ninth you can't do,
right?

2070
02:22:38,319 --> 02:22:45,439
» I can't know, but I'm happy to take
myself out of it and provide comment

2071
02:22:44,319 --> 02:22:51,439
ahead of time.
>> We have a I have another option for you.

2072
02:22:49,359 --> 02:22:53,200
» Let's get to October
>> and then choose

2073
02:22:52,319 --> 02:22:54,880
» and let's
>> see where we're at.

2074
02:22:54,160 --> 02:22:56,880
» See where we're at.
>> What needs to happen? That makes sense.

2075
02:22:56,399 --> 02:23:02,479
That's fine.
>> Only if Betsy is okay thinking that she

2076
02:22:58,880 --> 02:23:04,240
has to put up the notice 3 weeks later.
We're good.

2077
02:23:02,960 --> 02:23:09,040
» Feel like
>> we should do create a claude skill that

2078
02:23:06,960 --> 02:23:13,359
auto builds powerpoints based off of
data that we give it and then those that

2079
02:23:11,120 --> 02:23:17,200
last meeting is not necessary.
>> It can it could do that.

2080
02:23:15,280 --> 02:23:18,960
» Yeah. But like using your color scheme
and everything

2081
02:23:18,000 --> 02:23:21,120
» put the template in there.
>> Yeah.

2082
02:23:20,080 --> 02:23:29,520
» I'm pretty sure that's how my husband
does all of his presentations now.

2083
02:23:24,960 --> 02:23:35,359
» Some other unanticipated new business.
>> No, we lost Dan.

2084
02:23:32,720 --> 02:23:37,760
I'm looking for a motion to adjurnn.
>> So, do

2085
02:23:36,080 --> 02:23:42,000
» I have a second?
>> Not doing it without Dan.

2086
02:23:39,280 --> 02:23:43,600
» Oh, god damn you. I'm kidding. Sorry. Is
that a second for me?

2087
02:23:42,800 --> 02:23:44,960
» That was a second.
>> All those in favor?

2088
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:50,200
» I
>> I

2089
02:23:45,920 --> 02:23:50,200
» All right. Thanks everybody. Have a good