1 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,080 All right. 2 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,340 » All right. 3 00:00:16,080 --> 00:00:20,080 » All right. Welcome to the city council 4 00:00:18,340 --> 00:00:23,680 [snorts] conference for Tuesday, 5 00:00:20,080 --> 00:00:25,439 February 24th, 2026. We have one item on 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,359 the agenda, which is an update regarding 7 00:00:25,439 --> 00:00:30,400 the financial status of the Norman 8 00:00:27,359 --> 00:00:32,480 Forward program. And we have Jason, 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,079 director of parks and wreck here to talk 10 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:36,079 about that with us. 11 00:00:34,079 --> 00:00:37,920 » I just saw Clint over in the other 12 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:40,559 building and I said the the scariest 13 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,960 thing for finance people is a parks uh 14 00:00:40,559 --> 00:00:47,440 person giving a finance report. So, uh 15 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:50,480 let's go ahead and start but 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:53,039 » Somewhat uh some good news coming on on 17 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:55,600 this front. the uh I think uh not this 18 00:00:53,039 --> 00:00:57,360 past month but the month before we we at 19 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:00,079 the finance committee meeting there was 20 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:02,480 talks uh about there might be some 21 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:04,479 remaining fund balance at Norford at the 22 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:07,760 end and so we just wanted to go over 23 00:01:04,479 --> 00:01:09,280 those numbers and uh what it what we're 24 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,000 kind of thinking or projecting at this 25 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,840 point and then uh we were I think we 26 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,000 were instructed to come up with a list 27 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,759 of possible projects to do with uh if 28 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,159 there is a remaining fund balance at the 29 00:01:17,759 --> 00:01:22,159 end but uh first just want to kind of 30 00:01:20,159 --> 00:01:24,880 remind everybody of the full norm 31 00:01:22,159 --> 00:01:28,000 forward program. Uh as you look down 32 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:32,079 there, this is uh a list of all the 33 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:34,000 projects that was voted on and uh the uh 34 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:36,320 original norm for budget and you see a 35 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,400 revised budget. Some of the revised 36 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:40,320 budgets did increase depending on the 37 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:43,200 project. Some of them decreased um there 38 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:45,040 towards the end. Uh the good news is 39 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,280 that when you start looking at this 40 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,360 whole list, uh we got a heck of a lot of 41 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:52,799 these projects uh checked, done, 42 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:54,560 completed. Um and uh we're kind of we're 43 00:01:52,799 --> 00:01:57,200 kind of towards the end of Norm forward 44 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,119 where we're at all payo projects. So all 45 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,520 the um the good news is all the large 46 00:01:59,119 --> 00:02:03,520 projects are kind of done and wrapped up 47 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,759 and on the way or towards the end. We 48 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,840 there's a few projects we still have not 49 00:02:05,759 --> 00:02:10,879 um closed out, but we'll be working on 50 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,640 getting those. Um, and then when uh 51 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:16,239 probably should have started, let's see, 52 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:18,640 I might have missed that one. Uh, but uh 53 00:02:16,239 --> 00:02:22,319 you start looking at the down this list. 54 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:24,640 Uh the uh projects that we do have left 55 00:02:22,319 --> 00:02:27,520 is the Canadian River Park, which is the 56 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:31,760 very top one right there. Uh we also 57 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:34,400 have uh partial um projects left in our 58 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,920 existing neighborhood parks renovations 59 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:40,000 and also our new neighborhood parks. 60 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:42,319 We're down to uh one new [snorts] or one 61 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,760 new neighborhood park that or two 62 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:44,400 » Two one we're starting and then one 63 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,920 we're getting. 64 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,840 » Yeah, I got Blue Stem in the future 65 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:49,680 South Lakes uh neighborhood parks which 66 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,280 we're going to get to and trail 67 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,760 development. 68 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,519 Uh when you start looking um into the 69 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:59,920 future, so this is uh working with 70 00:02:55,519 --> 00:03:01,200 finance finance. This is uh a uh kind of 71 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:03,200 a list of projections. [clears throat] 72 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,280 Um and I think there's moderate growth, 73 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:08,239 very conservative growth um factored 74 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:10,959 into all these. But uh you kind of see 75 00:03:08,239 --> 00:03:13,920 at the very top line beginning fund um 76 00:03:10,959 --> 00:03:18,080 balance uh and that kind of connects 77 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:21,280 when you start uh or like FYE2 you look 78 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,400 at the bottom you see 10 million 10.2 79 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,879 million and then you go back up there 80 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,720 and it starts uh all over again. And so 81 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:29,760 there's moderate growth uh figuring into 82 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:32,319 that. Also our our debt service that uh 83 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:34,640 which uh there's uh three different debt 84 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:38,080 services uh programs that we've used uh 85 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:40,400 thus far uh and uh has the payments that 86 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:42,400 go along with those. And then uh when 87 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:45,519 those do get paid off, you see this kind 88 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:48,480 of spreads out all the way to 2032. 89 00:03:45,519 --> 00:03:51,519 Uh technically in 2032 we do not have 90 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:53,680 any um we don't project any portion of 91 00:03:51,519 --> 00:03:55,440 norm forward to be coming in at at that 92 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:59,200 point but we'd still have debt service. 93 00:03:55,440 --> 00:04:02,560 So we we uh did um place that on the 94 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:05,439 calendar and to um as we get towards the 95 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:07,040 end of this uh the the norm forward 96 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:09,680 stops at the end of the calendar year 97 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:12,000 2030. So that actually rolls into part 98 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:14,560 of the fiscal year of 2031. So you see 99 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,160 six months of that projection right 100 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,759 there. But uh if you start looking at 101 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:20,000 the bottom that kind of gives you a 102 00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:24,320 general idea of what ending fund fund 103 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:27,360 balance will be uh towards that 104 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:30,320 uh we did add in um as I said we're down 105 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:33,840 to about five projects uh left in the uh 106 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:35,840 norm forward program that we haven't um 107 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:39,280 completed or hit substantial completion 108 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:41,199 on. Uh those uh Canadian River, Saxon 109 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:42,720 Park, new neighborhood park development, 110 00:04:41,199 --> 00:04:46,000 neighborhood park renovations, trail 111 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:48,960 development. Uh those bottom four, we do 112 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:51,360 have a portion um already spent on some 113 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:54,560 of those. Saxon Park, uh we do 114 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:58,479 anticipating that starting sometime uh 115 00:04:54,560 --> 00:05:00,240 probably late spring, early summer. Uh 116 00:04:58,479 --> 00:05:01,520 uh so we already have design done on 117 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,040 that. We're kind of we're working with 118 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,120 public works and I'm making sure that 119 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,560 that the road in front of Saxon gets uh 120 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,880 fully built before we start on that 121 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:11,199 because there's huge money savings for 122 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:13,680 for the part portion of that as long as 123 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:15,520 uh uh the you know the road gets built 124 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,919 with all the utilities and we're able to 125 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:20,639 um tie into that. And then we still have 126 00:05:17,919 --> 00:05:22,560 a lot of uh when you start talking about 127 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:25,919 neighborhood park development or 128 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:28,240 renovation uh still a lot of uh big 129 00:05:25,919 --> 00:05:30,160 portion of that to go. Um we've talked 130 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,919 about that. In fact, we have three um 131 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,800 playgrounds on the agenda tonight. Uh 132 00:05:31,919 --> 00:05:36,400 one is coming up uh with the Blueest 133 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,120 Stem, which is actually a new park 134 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,800 development. So, a lot of tieins to 135 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,440 that. And then you see Canadian River 136 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:45,759 Park. We're still working on um getting 137 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,840 some uh property to go along with that 138 00:05:45,759 --> 00:05:49,919 either through uh we've had talks with 139 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:51,680 the Moore family. Um we're looking at 140 00:05:49,919 --> 00:05:55,280 the possibilities of acquiring other 141 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:56,720 property if needed. And uh when you 142 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:58,720 start talking about the Canadian River 143 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,720 Park, it uh it can start unfolding 144 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,960 because the idea is originally to have a 145 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:06,720 trail head and then trails connecting to 146 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:08,960 to the Canadian River um park. Uh so if 147 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:12,240 you take what we projected of having 148 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:14,319 remaining balance and um taking minusing 149 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,880 off the final number we have over here, 150 00:06:14,319 --> 00:06:19,600 which is the $22.7 million, we come up 151 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:21,840 with uh there could be about 11 152 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,479 millionish dollars left over when we get 153 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:27,199 to the end of Norm for. So worked with 154 00:06:24,479 --> 00:06:29,680 staff uh um some other departments to 155 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:32,880 kind of come up with a list of possible 156 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:34,319 projects that could be used on this is 157 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,639 uh when we start presenting these 158 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:38,319 projects we'll say that a lot of our 159 00:06:36,639 --> 00:06:41,360 Norman Ford projects we especially talk 160 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:43,280 about Reeves Griffin uh we only built to 161 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,880 probably about 50% done. So the master 162 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:46,880 plan is not fully completed on those 163 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,199 parts. So when we start presenting 164 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:52,720 portions of that to you that is uh all 165 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:55,680 fits within within um those master 166 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,520 plans. So the first one is and these are 167 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,199 in no specific order. These are just um 168 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,360 we wanted to present it to council to 169 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:04,639 get some input and then we'll eventually 170 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:08,240 talk to uh park commissioners uh and 171 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:09,919 CFOB to also get input before uh we 172 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,280 progress on any of these or make 173 00:07:09,919 --> 00:07:13,120 decisions on any of these to bring it 174 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:16,080 back to you for final decision. So, one 175 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:18,560 of the ideas is uh to go for a sudden uh 176 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:20,240 wilderness land purchase. Uh currently, 177 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,440 we're under a long-term lease with the 178 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,319 state. Uh there is some definite 179 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,520 advantages [snorts] 180 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:30,560 in in purchasing that land. Uh last time 181 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:32,720 we talked to to the state uh we got a a 182 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:35,840 cost estimation around 3 million give or 183 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:38,960 take uh a little bit. But the yellow box 184 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,880 is an approximate area that we is 185 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:43,280 stateowned. Of course, set in wilderness 186 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:45,120 does uh we do have some area that's kind 187 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,280 of in the uh this back portion right 188 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,520 here that we do own. Uh but this is all 189 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:52,479 the stateowned portion. Uh the 190 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:55,440 advantages uh of purchasing this now 191 00:07:52,479 --> 00:07:57,680 instead of later. Uh we think that with 192 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:00,160 Griffin, we we did show that we can get 193 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:02,720 uh land from the state at a a good cost 194 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:05,039 and um land is going to be no cheaper 195 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:07,759 now than it will be in the future. Also, 196 00:08:05,039 --> 00:08:11,199 this says um add insurance um at least 197 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:12,319 on our portion that there's uh nothing 198 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:13,680 that could happen with that. Even though 199 00:08:12,319 --> 00:08:15,039 you have a long-term lease, there's 200 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,639 always, you know, there's always a 201 00:08:15,039 --> 00:08:18,720 possibility the state could find a way 202 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:20,160 to maybe wiggle out of that. And we 203 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,960 always want to make sure that the states 204 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,960 a a wilderness preserve. 205 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:29,199 Like I said, about $3 million with that. 206 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:31,440 Uh in a norm uh program, we did have a 207 00:08:29,199 --> 00:08:35,599 project set aside for softball in a 208 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:37,279 football park. Uh we that was about $2.5 209 00:08:35,599 --> 00:08:40,000 million when we tried to progress on 210 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:41,760 that. Um when it came for that that 211 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:45,360 portion or that turn for that project to 212 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:48,240 come up. Uh this was the the uh 213 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:50,640 schematics that input that we got back 214 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:53,440 from the our adult softball group and 215 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:56,959 the Norman Optimus Club at that time. Uh 216 00:08:53,440 --> 00:09:00,399 and this uh schematic had a um cost um 217 00:08:56,959 --> 00:09:02,320 estimation of about $9.5 million. So, 218 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:04,240 uh, when we, uh, started working on 219 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,720 that, we saw that that was not 220 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,399 attainable. Um, no matter how hard we 221 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,920 try, we can't you can't fit a $2.5 222 00:09:08,399 --> 00:09:14,160 million budget into a $9 million 223 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:16,560 project. So, we decided to at that time 224 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,959 along with, um, council, uh, we decided 225 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:21,839 to split that project up and make, um, 226 00:09:18,959 --> 00:09:25,120 make some developments or progressions 227 00:09:21,839 --> 00:09:27,440 at both Ree Park and at uh, Ruby Grant 228 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:30,160 Park. The softball portion was upgraded 229 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:33,200 at Ree Park and then um we do have some 230 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:37,040 practice softball fields out at 231 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:38,959 uh Ruby Grant. This is for possibly 232 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,399 purchasing land. So we've uh looked at 233 00:09:38,959 --> 00:09:42,320 two different sites. One of them is the 234 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:44,399 old north water treatment plant which is 235 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:47,839 uh never got developed. Uh we have 236 00:09:44,399 --> 00:09:49,519 talked to um we the utilities department 237 00:09:47,839 --> 00:09:52,160 actually owns that property. So we would 238 00:09:49,519 --> 00:09:54,091 need to purchase that from them. Uh, and 239 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,040 it's been a few years ago. Um, and 240 00:09:54,091 --> 00:09:56,399 [snorts] that was with a different 241 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,160 director. So, I don't remember what the 242 00:09:56,399 --> 00:10:00,160 negotiated price is at that, but 243 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,240 recently talking to Chris and Chris 244 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:05,040 would love uh if we do progress on that 245 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:07,120 area to get a a appraisal of that 246 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,560 property and for us to to pay whatever 247 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,640 the market price is for that because 248 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:12,720 they are a utility enterprise fund. They 249 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,839 do need to make be made whole. We're 250 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:19,279 also looking at um another property 251 00:10:15,839 --> 00:10:21,760 maybe uh towards the center part of town 252 00:10:19,279 --> 00:10:24,000 also owned by the state. So, uh, we have 253 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,920 not dived too deeply into that, but 254 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,680 there's a possibility of [snorts] us 255 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,839 purchasing that property along with 256 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:31,279 maybe splitting the cost with utilities 257 00:10:29,839 --> 00:10:33,519 to buy that. And we kind of estimate 258 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:35,440 that uh no matter where we buy, we need 259 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:38,800 somewhere between 40 and 60 acres and 260 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:41,040 that would be about $2.5 million to to 261 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,640 uh get that property. And now this is 262 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:46,320 just for a property purchase and this 263 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:48,000 would be kind of held aside um for a 264 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,399 future norm forward or a future bond 265 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,560 election. uh we don't think that that we 266 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:57,360 could develop it. Um that would just be 267 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:59,279 for the the land purchase. 268 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,279 Another big thing and when we start 269 00:10:59,279 --> 00:11:03,920 talking about possible projects that go 270 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:06,240 along with this thinking of layups 271 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:09,040 basically things that would be very very 272 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:11,440 popular with the public. Uh there is 273 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,200 nothing more popular um with the public 274 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,640 than the adult wellness and education 275 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:19,519 center. Uh, as we were building that, 276 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:22,160 uh, we did original cost estimations. I 277 00:11:19,519 --> 00:11:24,640 think we're about $12.4 million for for 278 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,720 the adult wellness and education center. 279 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,880 Uh, we we ran into this wall called 280 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,680 COVID. And then during CO everything, 281 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:33,920 um, the market went crazy. So, uh, we 282 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:36,560 ended up spending about $14 million on 283 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:39,920 building what you look at as just a gray 284 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:42,240 portion. Uh we wanted and hoped to build 285 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,519 a multiple u multi-purpose gym along 286 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,240 with that project, but we couldn't 287 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:48,320 afford it at the time. That got cut out 288 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,160 uh to add that back in. The estimated 289 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,560 cost at that time was about a million 290 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,240 and a half. So uh to build it if we 291 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:55,360 would have added it to it, in hindsight, 292 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,920 it probably probably would have been a 293 00:11:55,360 --> 00:12:01,120 wiser idea uh right now to uh go back 294 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,720 and uh add that in. We're probably 295 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,120 looking at somewhere in about $2.5 296 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:08,160 million. 297 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:11,440 that would be all in soft cost 298 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:15,279 um design 299 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:16,959 everything to go along with that. 300 00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:21,040 Another thing which we have talked about 301 00:12:16,959 --> 00:12:24,639 several times before uh is uh updates to 302 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:28,160 re park mainly to uh replace kids space 303 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:31,680 or and or to add in a miracle field 304 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:35,120 which is an ADA accessible field for 305 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:37,440 everybody all children. Uh so the uh 306 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,720 estimated cost between that is 2.5. I 307 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,279 think we had about a million dollar set 308 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,800 aside for the kit space and uh 309 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:44,160 approximate cost about a million and a 310 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,519 half for [clears throat] the the miracle 311 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:48,320 field. 312 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:50,000 » Uh so couple caveats to go along with 313 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,639 these as we're pointing these out. We 314 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,639 did file for a T set grant um in the 315 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:57,680 amount of about $600,000 to go along 316 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:59,200 with kids. That was our our um 317 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:00,720 beneficiary of that grant. We're still 318 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,200 waiting to hear back. We'll hear 319 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:05,680 something uh hear something back next 320 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,279 month. Um about that is a two-year 321 00:13:05,680 --> 00:13:10,079 grant. So that would be uh getting 322 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:11,440 $300,000 uh in the next [clears throat] 323 00:13:10,079 --> 00:13:14,639 calendar year and then following that 324 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:16,240 another $300,000. But uh if we don't get 325 00:13:14,639 --> 00:13:18,480 that, we do need to make plans to 326 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,560 replace kids space. And the playground 327 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:24,320 alone is about $700,000, but we think 328 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:27,200 the uh infrastructure to go around that 329 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:29,519 uh between lights and sidewalks and 330 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,519 other updates that that need to be made 331 00:13:29,519 --> 00:13:32,880 uh around a kid space that probably be 332 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:35,920 somewhere around a million dollars. And 333 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:37,680 then the uh miracle field which we've 334 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:41,279 come and presented to you a few times. 335 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:43,519 Uh this is uh kind of imagine the if 336 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:45,120 you're out at Andrews Park or at Ruby 337 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:47,839 Grant the playground surface that's 338 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:50,560 there as a full baseball field of that 339 00:13:47,839 --> 00:13:54,079 same kind of poured soft surface and 340 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:55,920 it's perfect space for uh to have uh 341 00:13:54,079 --> 00:13:59,199 have a baseball field for kids of all 342 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:00,720 abilities and uh to have that um we 343 00:13:59,199 --> 00:14:03,199 already have the corner kind of marked 344 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:07,120 out for that. Uh there's a field right 345 00:14:03,199 --> 00:14:09,760 there that we kept. Uh we talked about 346 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:12,079 shrinking the the pond size to make sure 347 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,440 that that always stays in. Uh so we 348 00:14:12,079 --> 00:14:15,040 think that would be about a million and 349 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,199 a half dollars for that poured surface. 350 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,440 Upgrade to the lights and uh going 351 00:14:17,199 --> 00:14:21,120 through there and making sure that the 352 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,959 everything around there is fully 353 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,720 accessible for those who who would use 354 00:14:22,959 --> 00:14:26,560 that field. 355 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,120 » That's the current layout of the park, 356 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,720 right? 357 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,959 » Correct. Correct. So, this is currently 358 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,480 out with the the park and those two 359 00:14:30,959 --> 00:14:32,959 yellow squares would be the project 360 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,279 areas 361 00:14:32,959 --> 00:14:37,199 » And there's other phases of Reefs Park. 362 00:14:35,279 --> 00:14:40,639 » Yeah. And I didn't add in uh the full 363 00:14:37,199 --> 00:14:43,120 master plan. So, because no part of the 364 00:14:40,639 --> 00:14:44,800 park would be we're not saying that 365 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,959 would be a good project at this time. 366 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,399 It's just that to build out those 367 00:14:46,959 --> 00:14:50,240 baseball fields or other parts of those 368 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:52,480 baseball fields. I say I think the cost 369 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:56,880 would be too great for us to to probably 370 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:59,120 fit in to the into a extension of or 371 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:01,360 this extra funding from Norford without 372 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,600 um taking out some other things that we 373 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:06,079 think would probably be more vi viable. 374 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,760 » The long range plan for park is to 375 00:15:06,079 --> 00:15:08,079 replace all the fields like we did. 376 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,680 » Correct. 377 00:15:08,079 --> 00:15:12,680 » The first four. 378 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,680 » Correct. 379 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,360 » Griffin Park updates. Uh, one of the 380 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,720 things that we want to get in there, and 381 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,480 we've talked to council about this 382 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,680 before, is, uh, and I know that we're 383 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,279 hitting up, that's playgrounds, 384 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,519 playgrounds, playgrounds. Um, this is 385 00:15:23,279 --> 00:15:28,000 another one that would be highly 386 00:15:25,519 --> 00:15:30,480 popular. Uh, we want to go through all 387 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,000 of our our, uh, community parks and make 388 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:35,440 sure make sure they have what we refer 389 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:38,800 to as highly accessible playgrounds. Uh, 390 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:40,079 uh, the playground costs uh that we, uh, 391 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,639 would put out at Griffin's about 392 00:15:40,079 --> 00:15:44,240 threequarters of a million, $750,000. um 393 00:15:42,639 --> 00:15:46,800 adding a public restroom building out 394 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:50,560 there next to the playground which would 395 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:53,680 uh uh service the the dog park 396 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:56,160 playground and the disc golf u would be 397 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:58,240 about a half million dollars 398 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,759 and it would go up in the that corner 399 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:03,279 and that once again this is part of our 400 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:05,759 master plan already planned um and 401 00:16:03,279 --> 00:16:07,199 talked to the public and went through an 402 00:16:05,759 --> 00:16:09,279 ad hoc committee. 403 00:16:07,199 --> 00:16:10,000 » That's the master plan not what it all 404 00:16:09,279 --> 00:16:11,759 currently is. 405 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,240 » Correct. I kind of I kind of switched 406 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:15,519 that one backwards. Should have put the 407 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,279 other one in there now that you got me 408 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:18,480 talking out loud, Mayor. 409 00:16:17,279 --> 00:16:19,279 » But that's where that other soccer 410 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,560 field, 411 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:22,240 » Correct? 412 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:25,600 » Stand still. 413 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:27,199 » Yes. And and now kind of thinking back, 414 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,880 the reason I didn't put the other map in 415 00:16:27,199 --> 00:16:31,040 there like I did with Reese Park is 416 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:33,279 because the uh the the current map we 417 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:35,120 have now does not have a playground or a 418 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:37,519 a restroom. It did have a restroom 419 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:40,000 building up there that got um demolished 420 00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:42,639 with that putting in that new road area 421 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,560 out there that leads back to the 422 00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:45,680 » Dogfield might not be their highest 423 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,320 priority. 424 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:46,800 » Do what? 425 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,399 » The 426 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,320 » Oh, the Yeah. So when you you start 427 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:54,399 talking about that right there, the 428 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:57,440 talking to the soccer club in uh certain 429 00:16:54,399 --> 00:16:59,199 areas of that like the indoors I think 430 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,880 that is becoming more and more reality 431 00:16:59,199 --> 00:17:03,440 especially that now that we have true 432 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:06,160 cost with the by factor of how much 433 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:08,240 utilities cost. There's no way that any 434 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,520 private Yeah. I mean you're talking 435 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,760 somewhere in the neighborhood of 436 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,520 $100,000 a year just for utilities. And 437 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,280 I think they're mentioning improvements 438 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:20,360 to the field surfaces was correct 439 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:20,360 probably more more beneficial to them. 440 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:25,919 » Uh another one that that we would want 441 00:17:23,439 --> 00:17:27,679 to offer up which we think is a a very 442 00:17:25,919 --> 00:17:30,240 valuable 443 00:17:27,679 --> 00:17:32,480 chance of uh that has a lot of valuable 444 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:35,760 uh chance for and be very popular with 445 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:38,160 our product or for the public is the uh 446 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:40,559 Andrews Park updates. Uh now the master 447 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:44,240 plan did come in after 448 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:46,799 uh Nora Ford, but Andrews Park is listed 449 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,400 as one of the uh beneficiaries of Nor 450 00:17:46,799 --> 00:17:50,559 Ford in the original ordinances. So we 451 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:53,360 do think that that it's possible to go 452 00:17:50,559 --> 00:17:56,160 through here and um build the pond, 453 00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:57,919 which would also have a storm water um 454 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,320 benefits to go along with it, not only 455 00:17:57,919 --> 00:18:03,200 recreational benefits uh and a restroom 456 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,799 building. Uh so to go all the way in 457 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:08,160 cost for everything that's surrounding 458 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:11,840 that the the survey engineering and 459 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:14,000 design of the pond along with uh 460 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,520 pond and storm water construction and a 461 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:18,880 public restroom building that's all 462 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:21,200 about 2.75 million all in for all that 463 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:24,240 area right there. Um and we think that 464 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:29,559 we can get that fully built out as is or 465 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:29,559 as it's shown in those yellow boxes. 466 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:35,840 Another one that we have listed on here 467 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:40,080 which we do think it has a little bit of 468 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:42,160 interest uh for us uh uh is a young 469 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:45,280 family athletic center. We have had 470 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:48,320 conversations with with young family. 471 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:50,240 There is some benefits both for us and 472 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:53,760 um when we start talking about 473 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:56,080 membership and going farther into um a 474 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:58,880 revenue um creator for the Young Family 475 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,720 Athletic Center where we're we think we 476 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,400 are to the point where we could break it 477 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:05,360 even this year for the first time u 478 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:07,679 because now we've taken over concession 479 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:09,280 uh operations inside the YFAC. But we do 480 00:19:07,679 --> 00:19:12,320 think there's a lot more opportunity to 481 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:13,600 to grow revenue and make that that uh 482 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,240 special revenue fund even more 483 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:18,400 independent. And the number one thing 484 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,559 that we always hear feedback is that 485 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:23,280 y'all don't have a gym space to lift 486 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:25,120 weights or work out in. And um we don't. 487 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,600 And I think that would uh put us on par 488 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:29,520 with some of the other or above par uh 489 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,840 with uh everybody else in town that 490 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:34,080 offers the same kind of programming. Uh 491 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:36,400 I think that that would uh take the 492 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:38,880 membership up where we could definitely 493 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:42,160 be a very independent um special revenue 494 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:44,799 fund. Uh we have had cost uh 495 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,960 conversations with the young family uh 496 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:49,120 if we are able to come up with it. The 497 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,960 the wait room cost estimation is about 498 00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:53,840 $4 million. They said that they would be 499 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:55,919 willing to split that cost with us if we 500 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:59,360 are able to uh come up with that $2 501 00:19:55,919 --> 00:20:01,440 million. And we also have a bond that 502 00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:03,360 was taken out during the construction of 503 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:06,240 the Young Family Athletic Center that 504 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:08,799 was taken out against our guest tax. And 505 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:12,480 as of right now, it has about I think 506 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:14,160 about 2.4 $2.5 million payoff on that. 507 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,919 But that would be beneficiary, very 508 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:18,880 helpful for our guest tax, which would 509 00:20:15,919 --> 00:20:21,120 open up other areas for uh the guest 510 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,244 tax, especially if that election passes 511 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,600 where we can start doing capital 512 00:20:22,244 --> 00:20:26,320 [snorts] projects with that because that 513 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:28,960 is taking up I think about $400,000 a 514 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:31,679 year out of our our guest tax. Um so 515 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:34,960 when you start talking we get $600,000 a 516 00:20:31,679 --> 00:20:35,840 year. $400,000 is taken out for a bond 517 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,919 payment. 518 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,360 you know, don't have to be a parks and 519 00:20:37,919 --> 00:20:42,080 rent guy to figure out that's not very 520 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:44,400 good. U but the uh it would even be even 521 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:47,679 better uh when the guest tax hopefully 522 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:49,919 does pass and then we would have this uh 523 00:20:47,679 --> 00:20:54,159 fully available with full bonds. Like I 524 00:20:49,919 --> 00:20:56,000 said, we have 70 parts um about 150 $160 525 00:20:54,159 --> 00:20:58,159 million worth of assets. It's really 526 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:03,120 hard to take care of on our liable or 527 00:20:58,159 --> 00:21:05,120 limited availability of capital funds. 528 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:07,360 We do have miscellaneous other projects 529 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:09,520 which have been uh talked about. 530 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:11,360 Westwood uh start out with Ruby Grant 531 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,440 since that's at the top of the list. Uh 532 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:16,880 Ruby Grant trail upgrade upgrades. We 533 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:19,840 have had uh talks with OU about uh 534 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:22,720 upgrades to our cross country areas out 535 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:25,520 there. Uh they do hold the SEC 536 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:28,559 championships uh for cross country I 537 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:30,480 think in 2029. 538 00:21:28,559 --> 00:21:32,960 Uh so they've had talks with us about 539 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,799 sharing a project uh out there and 540 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:37,600 hopefully making that their home course 541 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:39,600 along with holding the SEC championship 542 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:43,200 uh cross country meet uh where this 543 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:45,440 would come beneficiary outside of just 544 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:49,840 hosting college meets. Uh this would 545 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:52,799 make it a primary very high desired 546 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:54,640 uh cross country track for not only for 547 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:56,400 you college meets but also for high 548 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,159 school meets and other recreational 549 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,159 features. So it would do full upgrades 550 00:21:58,159 --> 00:22:02,240 to that. I think when we start talking 551 00:22:00,159 --> 00:22:04,159 about what upgrades they need, uh it 552 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:07,039 needs the the track has to be at least 553 00:22:04,159 --> 00:22:09,360 10 10 meters wide all the way through. 554 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:13,200 Uh it has to be a constant uh surface. 555 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:15,200 So we do have uh some limited uh because 556 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,720 we have concrete surfaces, we have uh 557 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,320 granite surfaces, we have grass 558 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,159 surfaces. Their preference would be all 559 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,200 grass. So we just need to figure out a 560 00:22:20,159 --> 00:22:23,440 route through there and make sure 561 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,200 everything is about 10 meters high. Once 562 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,679 again, not only would we be a be able to 563 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,919 host a college cross country, but we 564 00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:32,880 would also be able to do uh state 565 00:22:29,919 --> 00:22:35,200 championships and districts and so forth 566 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:39,679 and so on. So, I think that would be a 567 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:42,080 great ad to the to uh the the parks. Um, 568 00:22:39,679 --> 00:22:44,880 also at Westwood, we haven't uh opened 569 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,720 that in 2018. 570 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:50,559 I haven't had a new feature out there. 571 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:53,360 the uh in a shortterm when we're talking 572 00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:54,880 about a 100 day program per year we pull 573 00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:57,360 in about a million dollars worth of 574 00:22:54,880 --> 00:23:02,799 revenue um out there it's the most 575 00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:06,480 successful highly highly public used uh 576 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:08,159 uh municipal pool in the state uh other 577 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:11,039 places come to us to try to figure out 578 00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:12,640 what we did we kind of got lucky uh I 579 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:15,039 think as a combination with our 580 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:17,840 population center only having uh one 581 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:19,440 pull uh for the amount of population we 582 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,080 have in here and we did it really really 583 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,679 good. Um but brings in about a million 584 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,919 dollars. We need to add a new feature to 585 00:23:23,679 --> 00:23:27,280 keep make sure that we have eventually 586 00:23:25,919 --> 00:23:29,280 add a new feature out there to make sure 587 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,120 that uh we have public interest and keep 588 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,840 coming out there because Oklahoma City 589 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:36,480 starting to redo pools or or private 590 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:40,056 always that private pool uh feature that 591 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:41,200 you have white water or the the harbor 592 00:23:40,056 --> 00:23:44,000 [snorts] whatever the heck they're 593 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,600 calling it nowadays. um that that 594 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,960 they're always upgrading and making 595 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:50,240 advancements and and uh when we talk 596 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:54,400 about a new feature, it could be 597 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:56,480 anything from a uh a surf type machine, 598 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,559 new slide, new feature. We already have 599 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,320 everything plumbed in going back to our 600 00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:02,720 pool house. We just need to figure out 601 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:07,280 and purchase that new feature, whatever 602 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:09,919 that would be to add to to Westwood. Uh 603 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:12,000 also we have sign packages uh that a lot 604 00:24:09,919 --> 00:24:14,880 of our uh the parks that we have been 605 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:18,000 working on uh especially Ruby Grant, 606 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,679 Griffin and Ree. We did not progress 607 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,600 with a full sign package out there 608 00:24:19,679 --> 00:24:24,559 because budgets were so tight when we 609 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:27,760 were working on those projects. Uh we 610 00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:30,400 did uh put in a capital request for a 611 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:34,080 sign package to come out of uh current 612 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:35,919 norm forward um this upcoming year. um a 613 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,799 sign package for all of our neighborhood 614 00:24:35,919 --> 00:24:40,320 parks along with uh upgrading our our 615 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:42,960 community parks with this type of 616 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:45,360 signage. And there is about $550,000. 617 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:48,480 And like I said, we did not do any re um 618 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:50,480 um signage at Reeves or at uh Griffin 619 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,919 because those projects were I mean, we 620 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,960 were down to pennies towards the end of 621 00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:54,400 those projects. So, we want to go 622 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,640 through there and clean it up and get 623 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,760 way finding signage at those parts along 624 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:02,880 with uh obvious 625 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:04,080 um placemaking signs in in front of 626 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,039 those. 627 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,559 » Can we uh build it west with the 628 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:09,200 airport? How tall can we build? 629 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:10,960 » Do what? 630 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,679 » How tall with the airport being close 631 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,360 by? Do we have the highest? 632 00:25:13,679 --> 00:25:16,159 » So, the um 633 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,520 » Just 634 00:25:16,159 --> 00:25:18,640 » What's the tallest slide? 635 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,360 » I [clears throat] think we can go up to 636 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,480 about 25 ft. 637 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:23,520 That's probably about as tall as the 638 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,720 ones that are out there. 639 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:28,799 » So, the think of if you go look at those 640 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,880 lights, they're about 35 uh I think 641 00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:36,559 they're 35 ft in the air. That's I think 642 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:39,200 that was the the top that the FFA 643 00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:41,919 would allow us so we could um mix up 644 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,520 with flights and farmers. Um 645 00:25:41,919 --> 00:25:46,000 » Cool people could see. 646 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:48,240 » Yeah. Got to go to Westwood. 647 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,240 » Yep. 648 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:52,320 But everything we looked in is about 649 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,440 anywhere between um a new feature is 650 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:57,360 about a million dollars and you start 651 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:59,120 adding in uh design cost and insulation 652 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:02,159 on that. We we think that'd be about an 653 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:04,799 extra half million to to go all in. Uh 654 00:26:02,159 --> 00:26:06,720 so when we start talking about this is 655 00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:09,679 all the project summary. Of course we 656 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,919 don't have $22 million uh to spend on on 657 00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:14,880 all this, but these are just some ideas 658 00:26:11,919 --> 00:26:17,840 wanted to present to you. Uh, also 659 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:21,919 there's been um talks with the CFOB uh 660 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:24,080 if we do have excess uh amount or C's 661 00:26:21,919 --> 00:26:26,480 financial oversight board. Shannon, 662 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:30,000 there you go. The uh to make sure that 663 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:32,480 that that uh if we have overages they 664 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:36,480 wanted to possibly set some aside for 665 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:38,320 maintenance or or 666 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,480 redoing of things that kind of get worn 667 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,640 out um there towards the end. So there 668 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:46,000 there's also that hanging out there. So, 669 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,679 just wanted to uh tell you the good 670 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,200 news. There's a possibility that we will 671 00:26:47,679 --> 00:26:52,799 have a fund balance there towards the 672 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,799 end and and um what possible projects 673 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:56,559 that the the parks department would 674 00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:59,600 suggest going along with everything. 675 00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:00,799 » A balance of 11.08 676 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,120 million left over. 677 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:04,080 » Yes. 678 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:06,240 » So, that's the possible projects that we 679 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,760 could do left over, but there's 11 680 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,600 million and you [snorts] would say maybe 681 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,480 reserve some of that for maintenance 682 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,200 stuff. So maybe 10 million. 683 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:17,279 » Yeah. 684 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:19,919 » So we might have 10 million to actually 685 00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:20,640 do some of that with. I would maybe just 686 00:27:19,919 --> 00:27:21,600 » Correct. 687 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,440 » Council. 688 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:27,600 » Oh, thank you. Um just for the record, 689 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,000 » Excess funds in Norman Ford can only 690 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,559 spend be spent on Norman Ford projects. 691 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,000 Correct. 692 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:34,000 » Correct. [snorts] 693 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,360 » You have a windfall of savings. You 694 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,880 can't spend it somewhere else. 695 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,080 » It's limited on it. So it has to be 696 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,440 anything that was described in the 697 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,000 ordinance that set off the [snorts] 698 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,320 walls. 699 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,880 » So we have a limited view of what we can 700 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,360 spend it on. 701 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,559 » What's the proposed process for Weeden 702 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:48,799 through these projects and kind of 703 00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:52,080 selecting the final candidates? 704 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:54,080 » Is that going to be the decision of us 705 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,960 nine or are they going to the parks 706 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,240 department going to bring us 707 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,120 recommendations on what they think the 708 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:02,799 highest priorities are? final decision 709 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:04,080 lays with right with the the council and 710 00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:06,080 I think we can go through there and 711 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,240 whatever the process that we all think 712 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,799 or you think that's best uh we can go 713 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,799 through there with CFOB we can parks 714 00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:14,559 board we can vet vet some of this 715 00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:16,159 through them and I I think that they 716 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:19,840 will definitely have some priorities and 717 00:28:16,159 --> 00:28:21,840 suggestions to go along with that uh you 718 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,440 we definitely have some opinions and 719 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,360 then we come through there and put that 720 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,720 all together and present to you there 721 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:29,039 towards the end especially the feedback 722 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,640 that we get from our our public. 723 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:33,600 » Okay. And when do you think when do you 724 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:36,640 anticipate we be making those decisions? 725 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,799 » It's a good question. So the um and we 726 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,440 probably need to talk to um make sure on 727 00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:43,360 finance one is is that the schedule of 728 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:47,039 available funds and so we don't want to 729 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:48,080 get too far ahead of of where we need to 730 00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:50,159 be. We don't want to go out and start 731 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:53,200 spending a whole bunch when there's not 732 00:28:50,159 --> 00:28:55,840 that amount in the bank. Uh, and one of 733 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:58,240 the things that kind of [snorts] works 734 00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:01,679 in my mind, you start talking about the, 735 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:04,159 uh, we have an obvious delta at Andrews 736 00:29:01,679 --> 00:29:05,760 Park. Uh, we have things, we don't have 737 00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:08,080 a public restroom out there. The the 738 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:11,360 park's very tired. So, when you start 739 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:13,120 looking at uh, it does have storm water 740 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,200 advantages to go along with this. So, 741 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,200 the when you start looking at the 742 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,120 possibility of that, so when you start 743 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:22,960 looking especially start picking out 744 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:24,320 Canadian River Park. Yes, that is a 745 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,000 project, but that has always been 746 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,480 planned to be one of the last part 747 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:32,320 projects in North Fort. So, can we bump 748 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:34,000 up something else on this because now 749 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:38,559 Canadian River Park, we still don't have 750 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:40,720 land. Um, and we have to have land 751 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:42,399 in our possession to basically start the 752 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,360 project. We have to know what the park's 753 00:29:42,399 --> 00:29:45,600 going to look like. We're going to have 754 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:48,480 to know how we connect trails to it. And 755 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,880 right now, uh, we've had several 756 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,880 conversations about land, but nothing 757 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,559 nothing anywhere close to being a sure 758 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,399 thing. So, that's still hanging out 759 00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:58,159 here. Now, if council makes it a 760 00:29:56,399 --> 00:29:59,840 priority to bump one of these suggested 761 00:29:58,159 --> 00:30:03,039 projects up ahead of that, you know, 762 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:05,679 that could be within y'all's realm. 763 00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:07,120 » So, would you prefer us to I mean, I 764 00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:10,000 know which one's on the list that I 765 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,840 would push as priorities. Is it helpful 766 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,360 for us to just send you our individual 767 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,640 list or how, mayor, how would you like 768 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,640 for us to do this? 769 00:30:17,645 --> 00:30:19,360 » [clears throat] 770 00:30:17,679 --> 00:30:21,919 » We're in kind of uncharted territory. 771 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,200 We've never had such a scenario where 772 00:30:21,919 --> 00:30:26,240 we've got 773 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:28,000 » Available resources and you know a wish 774 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:32,240 list kind of put together by staff, but 775 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:34,240 there may be other park or recreational 776 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,640 projects you have in mind that we didn't 777 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:40,320 cover that we'd be happy to add to that 778 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:43,679 list as we work our way through. Um, I I 779 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:46,159 think if maybe we could assemble a list 780 00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:47,600 if council submitted their priorities, 781 00:30:46,159 --> 00:30:50,399 we'll make sure I mean this this 782 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:53,440 presentation is on YouTube, but we can 783 00:30:50,399 --> 00:30:55,440 send you the list and yeah, love your 784 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,200 feedback and we'll start bundling it up 785 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,039 into a package that we think will fit in 786 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,440 the budget. We can bring it back to a 787 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:02,960 study session or uh an appropriate 788 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,720 committee meeting as we work through a 789 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,039 process. 790 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,919 » Thank you. Grant 791 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:13,039 » Um I like list being sent to us and 792 00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:16,240 maybe a line item for maybe holding some 793 00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:18,159 back for maintenance. Um, so we can rank 794 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:21,440 it appropriately. I'm just going to say 795 00:31:18,159 --> 00:31:22,799 W4 and the fact that Andre's Park 796 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,200 doesn't have a restroom and we have 797 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:27,360 events that happen out there and we 798 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,360 don't have a central library. Police 799 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,279 station is somewhat of an option. So is 800 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,960 municipal complex. 801 00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:35,760 I hear a lot about there not being a 802 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,919 restroom out there and if it's only 500k 803 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,600 I you know I would advance that before 804 00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:41,760 the other things with Andrew. 805 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,840 » So to just be clear to get to the 806 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,000 restroom we have to 807 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,559 » Survey it and then we have to move dirt 808 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,640 to make sure because we're that you're 809 00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:52,080 going to there's a order of operations. 810 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,559 We can't just go put the restroom in 811 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,840 there. 812 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:55,840 » So there's no getting away from the 813 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,440 2.75. I would still agree 814 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,799 » It's somewhere in it doesn't have to be 815 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,279 the full amount but it's somewhere 816 00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:03,440 within there because the uh the restroom 817 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:05,360 right now is placed where the the 818 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,640 man-made ditch is and that and what we 819 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,559 want to do is go back to the original 820 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,640 water flow that was in the park and that 821 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:12,880 man-made ditch is right where the 822 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,880 restroom is designed or picked out to 823 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,600 be. So we need to get that 824 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,440 » Moved. 825 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,600 » Well, obviously I feel [clears throat] 826 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,159 strongly about it. So, I'm putting a one 827 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,799 on it when it comes to us. And maybe 828 00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:27,600 that needs to be bundled together 829 00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:30,159 considering um what needs to happen in 830 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,799 the order of operations. 831 00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:34,799 » Yeah. and the the one for that being the 832 00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:36,720 storm water part and I don't know what 833 00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:39,039 the total I can't recall what the total 834 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,279 cost is that we're spending on the south 835 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:43,840 I creek 836 00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:46,480 project that's going on right now stream 837 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:50,559 bank stabilization and all that but the 838 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:54,799 the uh capacity for this water to be 839 00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:56,640 held at in the Andrews Park and provide 840 00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:59,039 some relief for all the neighborhoods 841 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,640 downstream of here between here and the 842 00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:03,039 Canadian 843 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,200 um I think is a pretty 844 00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:07,200 good point for including that one 845 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,440 because it has an impact that stretches 846 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,039 through the middle of the city for a 847 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,279 couple miles all the way south. 848 00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:15,519 » And and I want I want to be very clear 849 00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:17,200 this is not a full fix storm water-wise. 850 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:19,279 This is only a small 851 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,720 » Small small portion of what all the 852 00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:23,120 capacity we need to do it. It does 853 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:25,200 expand it but it's not near enough. 854 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:28,240 » Yeah, there's none now. That's just a 855 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:31,600 rock channel that runs through. U but 856 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:33,760 yeah, um I think council members 857 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,960 evaluating that list, thinking about how 858 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,480 much we have there. Um and letting staff 859 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,399 know and then we can discuss it further 860 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,840 and either a committee oversight or 861 00:33:40,399 --> 00:33:46,000 community planning, transportation or 862 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:49,200 finance. Um I suppose maybe 863 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,960 » Or study session, whichever. And then I 864 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:55,279 I know we'll get questions about the 865 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:58,080 library um about, you know, should we 866 00:33:55,279 --> 00:34:00,080 reserve any of this for that issue? And 867 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,799 I know we're litigating it, the 868 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:06,000 potential of getting uh the construction 869 00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:08,079 company and those involved to be held 870 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,720 responsible for that cost to fixing it. 871 00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:12,560 But I know we'll get that question is 872 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:13,839 should we save this and use it for that 873 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:17,359 instead? 874 00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:20,399 I think that's a viable option. Uh point 875 00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:22,240 out that right now that the hopes is 876 00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:24,000 that you know that gets fixed by the 877 00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:26,159 contractors and everything gets worked 878 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,839 out through mediation or litigation 879 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:31,599 whatever it comes down to. But us 880 00:34:29,839 --> 00:34:33,280 working ahead and I know it's been 881 00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:34,800 there's been some suggestions maybe we 882 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,960 use some of this to go there in there 883 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,560 and fix it now. That that should not 884 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,480 that's not an option because one we 885 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,919 don't we have to have an architect and 886 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,760 we have have a number two we have to 887 00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:46,159 have the contractor. Number three, that 888 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,280 thing is evidence. It's a big box of 889 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:49,839 evidence. So, we don't want to go in 890 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,440 there and change or fix or do anything 891 00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:53,200 right now. And number two, there's no 892 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,359 contractor or no architect in the world 893 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:58,640 that it's going to touch that and take 894 00:34:55,359 --> 00:35:00,400 the responsibility of shifting all the 895 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,240 liability to them if something in the 896 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,440 future goes goes wrong with it. 897 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:06,160 » We fix it, you own it. 898 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,760 » Yep. 899 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,160 » All right. Any other questions or 900 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,640 comments from council about number four 901 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,359 finds? 902 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:15,119 » All good news. Um, yeah. I think there's 903 00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:19,280 a bunch of stuff on there. I think 904 00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:21,760 there's stuff that we had to cut out 905 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:25,440 that we can sort of put back in. I think 906 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,960 that'll help people um, you know, that 907 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,400 may have felt like they voted for some 908 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:32,000 stuff and we weren't able to get it all 909 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:36,560 done, but we can get maybe some more of 910 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,760 it done with this. So, um, okay. 911 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,000 All right. Well, thank you very much, 912 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,720 Jason. appreciate the update and look 913 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:45,680 forward to the continued conversation 914 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:48,400 on uh this list of potential uh 915 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:51,359 projects. Okay, if that's it, then this 916 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,359 meeting is adjourned.