1 00:00:35,000 --> 00:01:11,251 2 00:01:11,251 --> 00:01:13,441 All right, then i will entertain a motion to approve the agenda 3 00:01:13,441 --> 00:01:14,581 as is laid out in front of us. 4 00:01:14,581 --> 00:01:16,241 So And second. 5 00:01:16,241 --> 00:01:16,741 All right. 6 00:01:16,741 --> 00:01:19,666 I heard Meacham Second and second cannot. 7 00:01:19,666 --> 00:01:20,851 OK All right. 8 00:01:20,851 --> 00:01:21,361 All in favor. 9 00:01:21,361 --> 00:01:25,961 Signify by saying i, I guess unanimously. 10 00:01:25,961 --> 00:01:26,461 All right. 11 00:01:26,461 --> 00:01:28,171 Under presentation of proclamation So 12 00:01:28,171 --> 00:01:30,811 we have an oath of office and swearing in of a new officer. 13 00:01:30,811 --> 00:01:36,511 So Chief Meyer you want to take it away ? 14 00:01:36,511 --> 00:01:37,081 Thanks, Marion. 15 00:01:37,081 --> 00:01:41,431 Council So I have the privilege to introduce 16 00:01:41,431 --> 00:01:43,402 our newest police officer. 17 00:01:43,402 --> 00:01:45,823 We just hired in June, end of June. 18 00:01:45,823 --> 00:01:47,599 He filled one of our vacancies that we 19 00:01:47,599 --> 00:01:50,281 have officer Justin Engle. 20 00:01:50,281 --> 00:01:54,091 Prior to being hired here, he was an armed security officer 21 00:01:54,091 --> 00:01:56,311 and a site supervisor for a security company 22 00:01:56,311 --> 00:02:00,082 and also served six years in the Army National Guard Ice. 23 00:02:00,082 --> 00:02:02,433 So we want to reiterate him. 24 00:02:02,433 --> 00:02:03,901 Repeat after me. 25 00:02:03,901 --> 00:02:06,931 I just inning and I just do solemnly swear. 26 00:02:06,931 --> 00:02:09,753 Do solemnly swear That I will support the Constitution 27 00:02:09,753 --> 00:02:10,868 of the United States. 28 00:02:10,868 --> 00:02:13,051 And I will support the Constitution of the United 29 00:02:13,051 --> 00:02:15,661 States and the Constitution of the state of Minnesota 30 00:02:15,661 --> 00:02:17,881 and the Constitution of the state of Minnesota 31 00:02:17,881 --> 00:02:19,411 And then I will faithfully discharge 32 00:02:19,411 --> 00:02:21,091 the duties and that I will faithfully 33 00:02:21,091 --> 00:02:22,561 discharge the duties of. 34 00:02:22,561 --> 00:02:24,541 Branch police officer of north Branch. 35 00:02:24,541 --> 00:02:28,591 Police Officer within and force that city within force 36 00:02:28,591 --> 00:02:31,891 that city code County and state County and state. 37 00:02:31,891 --> 00:02:34,201 According to the best of my judgment and ability 38 00:02:34,201 --> 00:02:36,871 according to the best of my judgment and ability 39 00:02:36,871 --> 00:02:39,331 So help me God, you have something special 40 00:02:39,331 --> 00:03:07,681 here to In his bad 12 years. 41 00:03:07,681 --> 00:03:10,891 Think Yeah Congratulations. 42 00:03:10,891 --> 00:03:16,261 Thank you Yeah. 43 00:03:16,261 --> 00:03:23,101 And you guys get that That's good. 44 00:03:23,101 --> 00:03:30,724 If I here you folks It's a good point All right. 45 00:03:30,724 --> 00:03:31,291 Thank you, Chair. 46 00:03:31,291 --> 00:03:37,201 Appreciate that All right. 47 00:03:37,201 --> 00:03:40,201 At this point, we'll move on to public comment. 48 00:03:40,201 --> 00:03:42,430 So I'll do my best to. 49 00:03:42,430 --> 00:03:44,401 To say your name correctly. 50 00:03:44,401 --> 00:03:47,431 So our first one is a John Barney 51 00:03:47,431 --> 00:03:49,741 And I say that correctly Yep. 52 00:03:49,741 --> 00:03:53,529 So if you want to OK. 53 00:03:53,529 --> 00:03:54,331 You don't want to speak. 54 00:03:54,331 --> 00:03:55,171 Okay, No problem. 55 00:03:55,171 --> 00:03:58,711 Not a problem All right, Peter, Shops are you here? 56 00:03:58,711 --> 00:04:14,641 I know Good evening City Council. 57 00:04:14,641 --> 00:04:19,861 My name is Peter Shops Five 690 360. 58 00:04:19,861 --> 00:04:25,813 A street north branch staff. 59 00:04:25,813 --> 00:04:26,313 Nice. 60 00:04:26,313 --> 00:04:31,711 See you all again I came up tonight to speak about a matter 61 00:04:31,711 --> 00:04:33,631 that i'm close to. 62 00:04:33,631 --> 00:04:37,668 And that would be something that, you know there's probably 63 00:04:37,668 --> 00:04:39,301 a lot of people that don't want to hear about it, 64 00:04:39,301 --> 00:04:42,481 but I think it's really important to address it. 65 00:04:42,481 --> 00:04:43,651 And it's the. 66 00:04:43,651 --> 00:04:46,594 Again, the North branch water light 67 00:04:46,594 --> 00:04:49,951 which many folks weren't aware, they thought that matter went 68 00:04:49,951 --> 00:04:59,011 away To my recollection, the mayor Mr. Schreiber, Mr. Canada 69 00:04:59,011 --> 00:05:01,321 and Mr. Meacham should be aware that there's still 70 00:05:01,321 --> 00:05:07,351 we're parts of that that matter, that we're going away 71 00:05:07,351 --> 00:05:10,861 and we still are under a quick start contract 72 00:05:10,861 --> 00:05:16,201 with And those are the generators over here that 73 00:05:16,201 --> 00:05:19,921 unfortunate We had a fire last winter 74 00:05:19,921 --> 00:05:22,441 and I think it destroyed one of the generators 75 00:05:22,441 --> 00:05:29,461 and injured another And also did some substantial damage 76 00:05:29,461 --> 00:05:33,571 to the building It's been almost six months. 77 00:05:33,571 --> 00:05:35,461 I haven't seen anything going on over there. 78 00:05:35,461 --> 00:05:39,211 And I'm just i just wanted to make sure that the two 79 00:05:39,211 --> 00:05:42,206 councillors here that weren't there at the time I. 80 00:05:42,206 --> 00:05:46,441 Are aware that there is a contract in existence that 81 00:05:46,441 --> 00:05:50,551 governs those generators and how we generate 82 00:05:50,551 --> 00:05:56,191 the power for the simple contract and i 83 00:05:56,191 --> 00:05:59,191 advised that you all take look at that contract 84 00:05:59,191 --> 00:06:02,401 and refresh your memory on things because I 85 00:06:02,401 --> 00:06:03,843 don't know if the city administrator, 86 00:06:03,843 --> 00:06:04,861 administrators, even read it. 87 00:06:04,861 --> 00:06:07,681 I was going to ask you if it's something he's aware of. 88 00:06:07,681 --> 00:06:10,201 It's not He should get himself a copy and look at it. 89 00:06:10,201 --> 00:06:17,041 It's only 20 some pages, but it holds us to Generation 90 00:06:17,041 --> 00:06:22,171 with those generators generate for at least the next 25 years 91 00:06:22,171 --> 00:06:23,491 close to that anyhow. 92 00:06:23,491 --> 00:06:27,511 And we are responsible to make sure they're operating 93 00:06:27,511 --> 00:06:31,711 at peak capacity whenever simple calls us to turn 94 00:06:31,711 --> 00:06:33,451 them on and fire them up. 95 00:06:33,451 --> 00:06:35,761 And at that. 96 00:06:35,761 --> 00:06:37,561 I'm aware right now we're generating 97 00:06:37,561 --> 00:06:40,546 with Three versus five. 98 00:06:40,546 --> 00:06:43,325 And that's a substantial amount of money. 99 00:06:43,325 --> 00:06:48,691 We're revenue that we could be missing here Besides being 100 00:06:48,691 --> 00:06:53,101 in potential default of the contract that that adds up 101 00:06:53,101 --> 00:06:56,575 to over $100,000 a year of revenue that 102 00:06:56,575 --> 00:06:58,741 we're missing out on those. 103 00:06:58,741 --> 00:07:03,331 I'm assuming the insurance has been organized 104 00:07:03,331 --> 00:07:04,894 and I've talked to the administration. 105 00:07:04,894 --> 00:07:07,561 They say that there's no hang ups there. 106 00:07:07,561 --> 00:07:09,421 I just don't understand why we aren't 107 00:07:09,421 --> 00:07:11,358 seeing the contractors out there working 108 00:07:11,358 --> 00:07:12,721 on getting that thing going. 109 00:07:12,721 --> 00:07:14,761 We're going to be in September for here in a few days. 110 00:07:14,761 --> 00:07:18,541 Winners common and I don't want to see 111 00:07:18,541 --> 00:07:22,651 us going into the cold weather without that. 112 00:07:22,651 --> 00:07:29,911 That whole system operational so that's all I really have to say 113 00:07:29,911 --> 00:07:36,301 And so I would look for some redress to that matter 114 00:07:36,301 --> 00:07:40,501 as soon as as at least to find out where it's at 115 00:07:40,501 --> 00:07:45,431 and maybe get the ball rolling on that as soon as possible 116 00:07:45,431 --> 00:07:45,931 All right. 117 00:07:45,931 --> 00:07:46,531 Thank you, Peter. 118 00:07:46,531 --> 00:07:47,898 Mr. Hill, can you just give us an update. 119 00:07:47,898 --> 00:07:49,201 So we can put Mr. Sharp that he's 120 00:07:49,201 --> 00:07:53,641 a little bit well, thank you, Mr. Shops, for bringing this up. 121 00:07:53,641 --> 00:07:57,301 As someone who is really close to that project years ago, 122 00:07:57,301 --> 00:08:00,451 you know I appreciate you looking out for the community 123 00:08:00,451 --> 00:08:03,391 and looking out for the city So thank you for bringing it up. 124 00:08:03,391 --> 00:08:06,721 Yes, we did have a fire at the Generation plant in February 125 00:08:06,721 --> 00:08:10,411 of this year We are working with the engineers on that on that 126 00:08:10,411 --> 00:08:12,871 project to get a plan in place. 127 00:08:12,871 --> 00:08:18,631 We're pretty much set right now going forward The engineers that 128 00:08:18,631 --> 00:08:21,031 are subcontracted through our city 129 00:08:21,031 --> 00:08:24,728 engineer Spear are have a proposal in front 130 00:08:24,728 --> 00:08:26,573 of the adjusters right now. 131 00:08:26,573 --> 00:08:29,161 We are currently working with the League 132 00:08:29,161 --> 00:08:31,861 of Minnesota Insurance trust. 133 00:08:31,861 --> 00:08:34,861 We have been in close contact with simple 134 00:08:34,861 --> 00:08:37,201 throughout this whole process They understand where we're at. 135 00:08:37,201 --> 00:08:39,473 They understand that there's a fire there. 136 00:08:39,473 --> 00:08:46,201 We are in no conflict with our our contract in agreement with. 137 00:08:46,201 --> 00:08:48,121 Simple at this time. 138 00:08:48,121 --> 00:08:52,471 If there was, we've been assured that they would notify the city 139 00:08:52,471 --> 00:08:54,061 and give us a timeline as to when 140 00:08:54,061 --> 00:08:56,101 that needs to be back online. 141 00:08:56,101 --> 00:08:57,511 They have not done that at this time. 142 00:08:57,511 --> 00:09:00,691 And they understand and know the process that we're 143 00:09:00,691 --> 00:09:04,801 going through with this very complicated Generation power 144 00:09:04,801 --> 00:09:08,971 source, the electrical panel and the engines for that 145 00:09:08,971 --> 00:09:11,611 are very custom and we're working 146 00:09:11,611 --> 00:09:13,501 on getting that process done. 147 00:09:13,501 --> 00:09:15,811 We do have an obligation or at least 148 00:09:15,811 --> 00:09:17,191 notification to send for that. 149 00:09:17,191 --> 00:09:19,591 We're hopeful to be out of it by the end of the calendar 150 00:09:19,591 --> 00:09:21,639 year when running again. 151 00:09:21,639 --> 00:09:24,272 And that's about where we're at right now. 152 00:09:24,272 --> 00:09:26,551 Insurance is on board with us and working 153 00:09:26,551 --> 00:09:29,885 side by side with the city to move this project forward OK. 154 00:09:29,885 --> 00:09:32,145 So it sounds like by the end of this year is the goal. 155 00:09:32,145 --> 00:09:33,001 That is the goal Yes. 156 00:09:33,001 --> 00:09:34,441 Or have the generators online again 157 00:09:34,441 --> 00:09:36,151 and And the building roof repaired. 158 00:09:36,151 --> 00:09:37,381 If it hasn't been already. 159 00:09:37,381 --> 00:09:38,541 That is accurate. 160 00:09:38,541 --> 00:09:39,121 OK. 161 00:09:39,121 --> 00:09:41,881 The other thing too, is we've got a public works committee 162 00:09:41,881 --> 00:09:44,011 of Jim I bring in Jeff Will have they've 163 00:09:44,011 --> 00:09:48,271 been briefed on this through the committee meetings. 164 00:09:48,271 --> 00:09:48,781 Yes. 165 00:09:48,781 --> 00:09:49,428 Yes All right. 166 00:09:49,428 --> 00:09:50,461 I just want to make that clear. 167 00:09:50,461 --> 00:09:52,265 I know mr. Sharp is concerned about it. 168 00:09:52,265 --> 00:09:54,151 I assume you guys were. 169 00:09:54,151 --> 00:09:56,221 Yep Updated with this information. 170 00:09:56,221 --> 00:09:57,811 So I just wanted to make that public. 171 00:09:57,811 --> 00:10:02,371 Yeah Okay Any other comments? 172 00:10:02,371 --> 00:10:07,981 Yeah, I don't know if this was implied or intention lee or not, 173 00:10:07,981 --> 00:10:10,711 but I also want to reminder of Mr. Fraley. 174 00:10:10,711 --> 00:10:13,471 Mr. Hill want to also reassure that there 175 00:10:13,471 --> 00:10:15,541 was a mention about making sure this 176 00:10:15,541 --> 00:10:17,281 is taken care of before winter. 177 00:10:17,281 --> 00:10:19,261 But those generators do not supply 178 00:10:19,261 --> 00:10:23,371 power to the city there to supply back onto the power grid. 179 00:10:23,371 --> 00:10:25,411 When asked for. 180 00:10:25,411 --> 00:10:28,261 So I just want to make sure that I don't know if that's 181 00:10:28,261 --> 00:10:31,861 a slip of the tongue or if that was implied that that's accurate 182 00:10:31,861 --> 00:10:33,991 information It's not necessarily geared 183 00:10:33,991 --> 00:10:36,481 to go towards the city's power source 184 00:10:36,481 --> 00:10:38,671 Other it goes out into the grid. 185 00:10:38,671 --> 00:10:40,291 The last time it was called upon would 186 00:10:40,291 --> 00:10:46,261 have been in the winter in Texas when 187 00:10:46,261 --> 00:10:48,031 they had the rainstorms when they had all 188 00:10:48,031 --> 00:10:50,131 the power outage down in Texas. 189 00:10:50,131 --> 00:10:52,411 So the generators were turned on to. 190 00:10:52,411 --> 00:10:55,531 2 2 feed the power requirements down in Texas or just 191 00:10:55,531 --> 00:10:57,511 goes out to the general grid Simple 192 00:10:57,511 --> 00:10:59,191 directs that where it needs to go. 193 00:10:59,191 --> 00:11:01,891 And that is the solutions Thank you. 194 00:11:01,891 --> 00:11:03,331 So I don't know if Matt knows this, 195 00:11:03,331 --> 00:11:05,658 but what percentage of the capacity are the generators 196 00:11:05,658 --> 00:11:06,991 normally running out while they're doing 197 00:11:06,991 --> 00:11:09,203 their monthly tasks ? 198 00:11:09,203 --> 00:11:10,351 So right now the three generators 199 00:11:10,351 --> 00:11:12,061 are not about six megawatt. 200 00:11:12,061 --> 00:11:13,748 We've already ran three different times 201 00:11:13,748 --> 00:11:14,581 during the summer months. 202 00:11:14,581 --> 00:11:16,891 This year, three generators that are running. 203 00:11:16,891 --> 00:11:19,561 So just the two that are offline right now. 204 00:11:19,561 --> 00:11:22,388 Right now, I know we have we have Five. 205 00:11:22,388 --> 00:11:25,391 But if they're not asking for you know, almost full capacity, 206 00:11:25,391 --> 00:11:26,791 if it's way less than that, then the three 207 00:11:26,791 --> 00:11:30,121 are able to accommodate whatever their request is Correct. 208 00:11:30,121 --> 00:11:31,897 And they request that they'll take the six megawatts. 209 00:11:31,897 --> 00:11:32,269 OK. 210 00:11:32,269 --> 00:11:32,827 All right. 211 00:11:32,827 --> 00:11:34,129 Just want to make that clear. 212 00:11:34,129 --> 00:11:37,861 Thank you All right. 213 00:11:37,861 --> 00:11:39,303 Anything else on that? 214 00:11:39,303 --> 00:11:40,321 I will forward then. 215 00:11:40,321 --> 00:11:44,461 So, Kathy Thomas, you are up next for public comment Okay, 216 00:11:44,461 --> 00:11:48,584 No problem Just kind of you. 217 00:11:48,584 --> 00:11:49,552 OK. 218 00:11:49,552 --> 00:11:51,932 So I'm okay. 219 00:11:51,932 --> 00:11:53,971 No problem I'm going to work down this list real quick. 220 00:11:53,971 --> 00:11:55,162 And then when i when I get done. 221 00:11:55,162 --> 00:11:56,167 Then I'll have you come up. 222 00:11:56,167 --> 00:11:58,599 OK So again, I don't open. 223 00:11:58,599 --> 00:11:59,775 I pronounce your last name. 224 00:11:59,775 --> 00:12:00,761 OK Okay. 225 00:12:00,761 --> 00:12:01,261 I do. 226 00:12:01,261 --> 00:12:07,111 I come up and talk and then I'm going to talk about that. 227 00:12:07,111 --> 00:12:08,461 Yes Oh. 228 00:12:08,461 --> 00:12:10,321 Yep. 229 00:12:10,321 --> 00:12:17,551 So what And you don't have to give your address. 230 00:12:17,551 --> 00:12:18,811 We don't want to broadcast that. 231 00:12:18,811 --> 00:12:20,161 So thank you, Peter, for doing that. 232 00:12:20,161 --> 00:12:21,511 But we don't want to do that anymore. 233 00:12:21,511 --> 00:12:22,611 So I'm sorry. 234 00:12:22,611 --> 00:12:23,111 I didn't even. 235 00:12:23,111 --> 00:12:23,821 I didn't hear. 236 00:12:23,821 --> 00:12:24,841 No, that's okay. 237 00:12:24,841 --> 00:12:27,721 It used to be a practice that people come up, give their name 238 00:12:27,721 --> 00:12:28,801 or what their address was. 239 00:12:28,801 --> 00:12:30,421 We don't need to have the address broadcast. 240 00:12:30,421 --> 00:12:31,081 OK. 241 00:12:31,081 --> 00:12:33,781 So I'm completely not prepared because I didn't know that this 242 00:12:33,781 --> 00:12:35,256 wasn't even an option. 243 00:12:35,256 --> 00:12:35,889 Okay. 244 00:12:35,889 --> 00:12:37,681 Excuse my ignorance because I don't 245 00:12:37,681 --> 00:12:40,741 know a lot about what the intentions are with the leaf 246 00:12:40,741 --> 00:12:41,341 pick up. 247 00:12:41,341 --> 00:12:43,111 Sure I know what I'm wanting to talk about. 248 00:12:43,111 --> 00:12:45,931 I don't I extremely appreciate it. 249 00:12:45,931 --> 00:12:47,071 It I loved it. 250 00:12:47,071 --> 00:12:50,911 It's one of the best things about this town, in my opinion 251 00:12:50,911 --> 00:12:55,381 And I. I like I said, I don't know what your intentions are, 252 00:12:55,381 --> 00:12:59,621 but I don't I don't want it to go away. 253 00:12:59,621 --> 00:13:00,121 I don't. 254 00:13:00,121 --> 00:13:02,131 Is this something that's going to be talked about tonight? 255 00:13:02,131 --> 00:13:03,221 Yes Okay. 256 00:13:03,221 --> 00:13:03,721 Yeah. 257 00:13:03,721 --> 00:13:08,583 So and and if it does, if it were to go away, 258 00:13:08,583 --> 00:13:10,201 my question is we have a fee that we 259 00:13:10,201 --> 00:13:13,201 pay the $75 every single year. 260 00:13:13,201 --> 00:13:15,871 So i live in an area that I'm not on. 261 00:13:15,871 --> 00:13:18,061 I don't have culverts, I don't have roads that are swapped. 262 00:13:18,061 --> 00:13:20,341 I don't have anything that's maintained. 263 00:13:20,341 --> 00:13:24,511 I don't have ditches I don't have a city water So 264 00:13:24,511 --> 00:13:28,681 like how would that affect the. 265 00:13:28,681 --> 00:13:31,081 I'm wondering how that would affect that fee 266 00:13:31,081 --> 00:13:35,431 And I'm also willing to pay more to keep the leaf pickup. 267 00:13:35,431 --> 00:13:36,731 As I know a lot of people are. 268 00:13:36,731 --> 00:13:38,581 Or maybe there is a situation where 269 00:13:38,581 --> 00:13:40,591 you could adopt an elderly neighbor and pay for. 270 00:13:40,591 --> 00:13:42,871 There is also I mean, I just i guess 271 00:13:42,871 --> 00:13:45,991 I'm wondering what the options are, which you'll probably go. 272 00:13:45,991 --> 00:13:47,453 We're going to cover that tonight. 273 00:13:47,453 --> 00:13:48,931 And again I'm sorry for my ignorance 274 00:13:48,931 --> 00:13:50,491 because I had idea about this. 275 00:13:50,491 --> 00:13:52,240 And so the other for your time on. 276 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:53,149 That's a stormwater fee. 277 00:13:53,149 --> 00:13:55,801 I know there's a water right study going on right now. 278 00:13:55,801 --> 00:13:58,943 And so for people that are not on city sewer and water, 279 00:13:58,943 --> 00:14:02,311 right, don't have culverts or storm sewers, I'm one of those. 280 00:14:02,311 --> 00:14:05,344 I know Mr. Kennett is terrible So we understand the question. 281 00:14:05,344 --> 00:14:06,811 We've read that over the last several years. 282 00:14:06,811 --> 00:14:08,221 So that will be addressed at some point 283 00:14:08,221 --> 00:14:10,441 as well on there could be some type 284 00:14:10,441 --> 00:14:14,041 of an of a modification to how people are being charged. 285 00:14:14,041 --> 00:14:15,981 OK But that's just not going to happen tonight. 286 00:14:15,981 --> 00:14:18,511 So but like a live truck, will the mayor to clarify 287 00:14:18,511 --> 00:14:19,741 that's unrelated, right? 288 00:14:19,741 --> 00:14:21,271 It is unrelated, Yes. 289 00:14:21,271 --> 00:14:25,141 It's a it's a totally separate program So the leaf 290 00:14:25,141 --> 00:14:27,121 of that truck and that program is 291 00:14:27,121 --> 00:14:30,073 separate from the actual storm sewer Okay. 292 00:14:30,073 --> 00:14:31,831 Because when I looked it up on your website, 293 00:14:31,831 --> 00:14:36,211 it says it's include it in that $75 fee. 294 00:14:36,211 --> 00:14:41,131 So I want to pull it up out of it. 295 00:14:41,131 --> 00:14:43,711 It says it's for maintaining essential stormwater 296 00:14:43,711 --> 00:14:45,181 and drainage infrastructure. 297 00:14:45,181 --> 00:14:48,511 It supports wide citywide services including ditch 298 00:14:48,511 --> 00:14:50,641 maintenance, stormwater drain and pipe replacement 299 00:14:50,641 --> 00:14:54,091 culvert replacement street sweeping community wide leaf 300 00:14:54,091 --> 00:14:57,811 collection and stormwater upkeep Well, 301 00:14:57,811 --> 00:15:00,556 that's the city's that's an opt. 302 00:15:00,556 --> 00:15:01,888 It is, yeah. 303 00:15:01,888 --> 00:15:02,971 I think it's okay. 304 00:15:02,971 --> 00:15:04,021 Thank you for joining us. 305 00:15:04,021 --> 00:15:08,125 Thank you staff for taking notes Yeah 306 00:15:08,125 --> 00:15:09,694 Because I don't think it's just the leaf pick 307 00:15:09,694 --> 00:15:10,762 up on that list that's wrong. 308 00:15:10,762 --> 00:15:11,262 Correct. 309 00:15:11,262 --> 00:15:15,151 The Street sweeping is not also part of that program 310 00:15:15,151 --> 00:15:16,921 Street sweeping is actually part of the MBS 311 00:15:16,921 --> 00:15:20,341 for program for the stormwater So that 312 00:15:20,341 --> 00:15:21,632 is one of the requirements. 313 00:15:21,632 --> 00:15:23,711 We actually get an extra grant through that. 314 00:15:23,711 --> 00:15:24,211 Correct. 315 00:15:24,211 --> 00:15:26,881 Or that is that part of the fee that the paying, is that good 316 00:15:26,881 --> 00:15:28,681 necessarily from the fee So I think 317 00:15:28,681 --> 00:15:30,242 we'd have to clarify that that's what 318 00:15:30,242 --> 00:15:33,001 the assumption is that Great. 319 00:15:33,001 --> 00:15:36,901 Thank you, EMS, for municipal sewer EMS for. 320 00:15:36,901 --> 00:15:38,401 That's a state required program. 321 00:15:38,401 --> 00:15:40,231 So we continue to ask questions as well. 322 00:15:40,231 --> 00:15:41,941 So it's not something the city just made up. 323 00:15:41,941 --> 00:15:44,341 Every city has to do some form of it. 324 00:15:44,341 --> 00:15:47,191 We were asking questions about what's required and are we 325 00:15:47,191 --> 00:15:48,211 going above and beyond that. 326 00:15:48,211 --> 00:15:51,356 So I think we're still working towards those answers 327 00:15:51,356 --> 00:15:53,706 just a lot of confusion about the $75 fees. 328 00:15:53,706 --> 00:15:56,161 Also I think we need to clarify that specifically to the point 329 00:15:56,161 --> 00:15:57,991 I agree are good points. 330 00:15:57,991 --> 00:16:02,523 I thank you All right, Mark, you're up next. 331 00:16:02,523 --> 00:16:08,341 Yeah Yeah Know I just want to do highly 332 00:16:08,341 --> 00:16:11,030 encourage you to stop this flat contract 333 00:16:11,030 --> 00:16:14,761 and not kick it down the road any more 334 00:16:14,761 --> 00:16:17,071 I've been here for pretty much all 335 00:16:17,071 --> 00:16:18,872 of it since we heard about it after you 336 00:16:18,872 --> 00:16:21,481 passed it in every meeting. 337 00:16:21,481 --> 00:16:23,131 Yup It's going down the road. 338 00:16:23,131 --> 00:16:24,931 Down the road. 339 00:16:24,931 --> 00:16:26,821 Let's end it tonight. 340 00:16:26,821 --> 00:16:28,599 Okay There is other information that's 341 00:16:28,599 --> 00:16:30,421 been provided why we've gotten to this point, 342 00:16:30,421 --> 00:16:31,638 why we haven't made a decision. 343 00:16:31,638 --> 00:16:37,801 And the other thing is we have reserves in seeds or something. 344 00:16:37,801 --> 00:16:38,851 I've been noticing No. 345 00:16:38,851 --> 00:16:41,191 Come into these meetings Why are they 346 00:16:41,191 --> 00:16:47,761 making such little investment interest. 347 00:16:47,761 --> 00:16:54,064 So little we could pay take them out, pay the fine for penalty 348 00:16:54,064 --> 00:16:57,961 for taking them out and make it back in. 349 00:16:57,961 --> 00:17:01,021 No time at all, somewhere else We 350 00:17:01,021 --> 00:17:03,211 will last our finance director Sharon she's comment 351 00:17:03,211 --> 00:17:04,861 on that several times before it actually 352 00:17:04,861 --> 00:17:06,721 has increased the return on investment, 353 00:17:06,721 --> 00:17:08,303 but only get to that point. 354 00:17:08,303 --> 00:17:09,481 Sharon, we'll talk about the budget 355 00:17:09,481 --> 00:17:12,181 and we'll try to answer that question again. 356 00:17:12,181 --> 00:17:15,805 Thank you, Mark Murray. 357 00:17:15,805 --> 00:17:17,131 You are up next. 358 00:17:17,131 --> 00:17:26,251 If you want to talk I think. 359 00:17:26,251 --> 00:17:35,251 Thank you, gentlemen, for taking My questions here 360 00:17:35,251 --> 00:17:39,301 Over in Oshkosh, Wisconsin please 361 00:17:39,301 --> 00:17:45,001 is officer, court clerk lying to city council 362 00:17:45,001 --> 00:17:48,614 And it killed $8 billion surveillance company is contract 363 00:17:48,614 --> 00:17:53,221 less there Council approved Here's what happened 364 00:17:53,221 --> 00:17:55,801 the night before the August Council was set 365 00:17:55,801 --> 00:17:58,531 to renew a deal with Fox aG. 366 00:17:58,531 --> 00:18:06,601 The license plate camera company backed by 16 Z and Tiger global. 367 00:18:06,601 --> 00:18:11,401 One council member asked a flock representative plane yes or no 368 00:18:11,401 --> 00:18:14,821 question to just system build a heat 369 00:18:14,821 --> 00:18:21,121 map everywhere a specific car travels over time The flock 370 00:18:21,121 --> 00:18:25,381 representative said no The council believed them 371 00:18:25,381 --> 00:18:28,081 and voted 5 to 2 to renew. 372 00:18:28,081 --> 00:18:30,617 But the next morning, the chief officer 373 00:18:30,617 --> 00:18:35,971 told them the answer was false So pull up the system itself. 374 00:18:35,971 --> 00:18:41,524 You watch generate an exact heat. heat map of flock 375 00:18:41,524 --> 00:18:46,415 and just sworn it couldn't me and he walked in to emergency 376 00:18:46,415 --> 00:18:50,431 meeting and said, I would love because a misrepresentation 377 00:18:50,431 --> 00:18:56,551 misrepresentation i can no longer recommend flock 378 00:18:56,551 --> 00:19:01,081 understand that this heat map because it's the whole trick 379 00:19:01,081 --> 00:19:06,361 flock sells cities of title tidy little story 380 00:19:06,361 --> 00:19:11,701 a car drives by we snap a photo, we read a plate, and that's it 381 00:19:11,701 --> 00:19:16,501 But the same system can quietly average out where your car goes. 382 00:19:16,501 --> 00:19:17,521 Day after day. 383 00:19:17,521 --> 00:19:20,131 Paint your routine on a map. 384 00:19:20,131 --> 00:19:23,078 No One snapshot at one corner. 385 00:19:23,078 --> 00:19:26,560 Your pattern where you sleep, where You work, 386 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,341 where you keep going back and forth. 387 00:19:29,341 --> 00:19:33,181 And how often If a flock employee 388 00:19:33,181 --> 00:19:38,251 later admitted on record the software does exactly that. 389 00:19:38,251 --> 00:19:41,581 So to pitch the problem product, the company 390 00:19:41,581 --> 00:19:44,851 wins the contract selling a plate reader 391 00:19:44,851 --> 00:19:48,361 and sits on the moving map of your life 392 00:19:48,361 --> 00:19:54,151 The only reason Oshkosh It was once kept the question of police 393 00:19:54,151 --> 00:20:00,391 officer bothered to check and he wrote to rescind 394 00:20:00,391 --> 00:20:03,481 the flock Camera 7 to 0. 395 00:20:03,481 --> 00:20:08,131 Unanimous I called the whole thing. 396 00:20:08,131 --> 00:20:11,881 One small misconception from a long meeting 397 00:20:11,881 --> 00:20:14,251 and said it was just appointed. 398 00:20:14,251 --> 00:20:15,541 Nobody. 399 00:20:15,541 --> 00:20:21,454 Let me explain A surveyor a company worth $8 billion, 400 00:20:21,454 --> 00:20:26,971 got caught lying whether it maps where your drive fence was 401 00:20:26,971 --> 00:20:35,431 the lie was small So I guess my question is is this fog camera 402 00:20:35,431 --> 00:20:38,221 going to be used to make safe map 403 00:20:38,221 --> 00:20:43,361 a heat map of wherever we go ? 404 00:20:43,361 --> 00:20:46,151 To me that First Amendment violation 405 00:20:46,151 --> 00:20:51,991 and unreasonable search for the amendment violation 406 00:20:51,991 --> 00:20:56,131 So on that basis I'm asking that you do 407 00:20:56,131 --> 00:21:01,406 not ratify this So thank you. 408 00:21:01,406 --> 00:21:01,941 Okay. 409 00:21:01,941 --> 00:21:03,278 Thank you, Murray. 410 00:21:03,278 --> 00:21:08,371 Appreciate your comments All right, Van Kirk if I 411 00:21:08,371 --> 00:21:15,094 said that correctly All right. 412 00:21:15,094 --> 00:21:16,477 Good evening, Mayor and council members. 413 00:21:16,477 --> 00:21:20,053 Thank you. you for giving me a few minutes to speak tonight. 414 00:21:20,053 --> 00:21:24,331 I'm here to ask you to keep the city's pick up program in place 415 00:21:24,331 --> 00:21:26,821 I understand that the city has to make difficult decisions 416 00:21:26,821 --> 00:21:30,451 about budgets and service but I believe leaf pickup is one 417 00:21:30,451 --> 00:21:32,521 of those services that has a much bigger impact 418 00:21:32,521 --> 00:21:34,951 on our community than it may seem in the fall 419 00:21:34,951 --> 00:21:37,561 and the spring I see most of my neighborhood utilizing 420 00:21:37,561 --> 00:21:41,659 the service for many residents, especially the elderly people 421 00:21:41,659 --> 00:21:44,299 with physical limitations, family, and homeowners who don't 422 00:21:44,299 --> 00:21:46,621 have a truck trailer or the ability 423 00:21:46,621 --> 00:21:48,451 to haul large amounts of leaves. 424 00:21:48,451 --> 00:21:51,781 The service is extremely important and helpful. 425 00:21:51,781 --> 00:21:53,611 There are also some practical questions 426 00:21:53,611 --> 00:21:56,311 that I think need to be answered before this service is 427 00:21:56,311 --> 00:21:59,371 eliminated What happens to all those leaves 428 00:21:59,371 --> 00:22:02,058 if residents no longer have access to CityLift pickup? 429 00:22:02,058 --> 00:22:04,665 Are we going to see more people burning their leaves 430 00:22:04,665 --> 00:22:07,891 If so, what impact could that have on air quality fire 431 00:22:07,891 --> 00:22:11,401 safety in our neighborhoods will compensate ours, 432 00:22:11,401 --> 00:22:14,581 be expanded if residents are expected to hold their only off 433 00:22:14,581 --> 00:22:18,151 to the site Will the city provide additional hours 434 00:22:18,151 --> 00:22:20,701 or expanded access during the fall season 435 00:22:20,701 --> 00:22:24,871 to accommodate the increase in volume And what's that cost? 436 00:22:24,871 --> 00:22:27,121 And perhaps the most important question residents 437 00:22:27,121 --> 00:22:31,501 have what happens to the storm sewer fee, which is 438 00:22:31,501 --> 00:22:33,541 already kind of capped on that? 439 00:22:33,541 --> 00:22:35,431 The city website states that leaf pickup 440 00:22:35,431 --> 00:22:38,131 is one of the covered items by the storm sewer fee 441 00:22:38,131 --> 00:22:40,292 that residents pay on their water bills. 442 00:22:40,292 --> 00:22:42,031 If residents continue paying that fee. 443 00:22:42,031 --> 00:22:45,211 But the service it helps fund is eliminated. 444 00:22:45,211 --> 00:22:47,521 Well, the storm sewer fee be reduced or removed 445 00:22:47,521 --> 00:22:50,791 from our water bills likely not if the city is going 446 00:22:50,791 --> 00:22:52,201 to continue collecting the fee. 447 00:22:52,201 --> 00:22:54,721 I believe residents deserve a clear explanation of where 448 00:22:54,721 --> 00:22:57,451 those funds will go and how the elimination of leaf pickup 449 00:22:57,451 --> 00:23:01,021 affects the purpose of that fee. 450 00:23:01,021 --> 00:23:03,421 These are important items to be considered for the residents who 451 00:23:03,421 --> 00:23:06,721 are ultimately paying for and affected by this decision 452 00:23:06,721 --> 00:23:09,871 Leaf pickup also helps keep our neighborhoods clean, safe 453 00:23:09,871 --> 00:23:12,121 and looking their best Large piles of leaves 454 00:23:12,121 --> 00:23:15,001 can create slippery conditions clog storm drains 455 00:23:15,001 --> 00:23:16,231 and become a problem when they're 456 00:23:16,231 --> 00:23:18,271 left sitting along the streets. 457 00:23:18,271 --> 00:23:21,328 But more than anything, I think this 458 00:23:21,328 --> 00:23:24,511 is about what kind of community we want to have when residents 459 00:23:24,511 --> 00:23:26,821 pay taxes and fees for city services, 460 00:23:26,821 --> 00:23:29,221 they expect those services to provide value back 461 00:23:29,221 --> 00:23:32,521 to the community leaf pickup may seem like a small service, 462 00:23:32,521 --> 00:23:34,081 but for the people who rely on it, 463 00:23:34,081 --> 00:23:37,051 it makes a significant difference 464 00:23:37,051 --> 00:23:39,121 If there are ways to make the program more efficient 465 00:23:39,121 --> 00:23:40,338 or reduce its costs. 466 00:23:40,338 --> 00:23:42,151 I think those conversations points are absolutely 467 00:23:42,151 --> 00:23:44,191 worth having Maybe there are changes 468 00:23:44,191 --> 00:23:46,501 to the schedule like pushing the pickups back a week 469 00:23:46,501 --> 00:23:48,781 or two, as some of the leaves haven't fallen 470 00:23:48,781 --> 00:23:51,331 by the first pickup changing pickup routes 471 00:23:51,331 --> 00:23:54,271 or other efficiencies that could save money without eliminating 472 00:23:54,271 --> 00:23:57,451 the program entirely Here are just a few 473 00:23:57,451 --> 00:23:59,821 of many Facebook comments from residents that couldn't be here 474 00:23:59,821 --> 00:24:03,121 today Can't make the meeting leave Pickup is the most 475 00:24:03,121 --> 00:24:05,431 useful thing that I've had. 476 00:24:05,431 --> 00:24:07,651 I have many oak trees and I don't 477 00:24:07,651 --> 00:24:10,261 know what I would do with the leaves without the leaf pickup. 478 00:24:10,261 --> 00:24:12,271 I live on a private road and get no snow 479 00:24:12,271 --> 00:24:16,051 plowing, no road grading no road upkeep from the city or county. 480 00:24:16,051 --> 00:24:18,991 So it's nice to have at least one perk leaf pickup 481 00:24:18,991 --> 00:24:20,071 if you have the equipment. 482 00:24:20,071 --> 00:24:21,871 So I make a decision to discontinue 483 00:24:21,871 --> 00:24:24,638 the pickup Another we usually pick up 484 00:24:24,638 --> 00:24:25,671 and appreciate it very much. 485 00:24:25,671 --> 00:24:26,876 I would hate to lose it. 486 00:24:26,876 --> 00:24:27,392 I'm sad. 487 00:24:27,392 --> 00:24:29,461 We can't be at the meeting. 488 00:24:29,461 --> 00:24:31,096 Another one I usually pick up. 489 00:24:31,096 --> 00:24:34,141 And it's one of the things I really like about this town. 490 00:24:34,141 --> 00:24:36,331 Another one I used to leave pick up every year 491 00:24:36,331 --> 00:24:37,561 and so do all my neighbors. 492 00:24:37,561 --> 00:24:39,751 Being elder this is a godsend. 493 00:24:39,751 --> 00:24:43,437 Just think of the line up at the compost area If there's no leaf, 494 00:24:43,437 --> 00:24:44,843 pick up and I'm sorry. 495 00:24:44,843 --> 00:24:46,741 I'm unable to make the meeting tonight. 496 00:24:46,741 --> 00:24:48,871 Just my $0.02 worth on the leaf pickup. 497 00:24:48,871 --> 00:24:50,851 My concern is what will the residents 498 00:24:50,851 --> 00:24:52,291 do with all their leaves? 499 00:24:52,291 --> 00:24:53,791 This will be a safety issue. 500 00:24:53,791 --> 00:24:56,131 Will they start burning them in their yards? 501 00:24:56,131 --> 00:24:59,281 I respectfully ask that you keep the leaf pickup in place 502 00:24:59,281 --> 00:25:01,951 and to consider the full impact this decision will have 503 00:25:01,951 --> 00:25:04,171 on our residents and our community 504 00:25:04,171 --> 00:25:05,671 and i also want to thank you guys 505 00:25:05,671 --> 00:25:09,481 for allowing people to come up and talk about the flag cameras. 506 00:25:09,481 --> 00:25:13,201 I know that's been an issue for the past weeks and months 507 00:25:13,201 --> 00:25:16,531 and it just it shows that you guys are listening 508 00:25:16,531 --> 00:25:19,681 and hopefully we can come to a conclusion on that. 509 00:25:19,681 --> 00:25:20,209 OK. 510 00:25:20,209 --> 00:25:22,818 And the contract . 511 00:25:22,818 --> 00:25:24,451 A lot of your questions are going to get answered 512 00:25:24,451 --> 00:25:26,341 tonight as far as a leave. 513 00:25:26,341 --> 00:25:30,511 Thank you All right, ma'am, you want to come up and talk? 514 00:25:30,511 --> 00:25:33,241 If you just want to state your name and I'll write it down 515 00:25:33,241 --> 00:25:40,531 and it's Barb Wilson Our go ahead, 516 00:25:40,531 --> 00:25:44,821 my son was trying to call me Okay. 517 00:25:44,821 --> 00:25:48,409 So I actually wrote it down. 518 00:25:48,409 --> 00:25:51,481 OK I have a phone, but I don't put 519 00:25:51,481 --> 00:26:02,731 the finished I'm checking on the senior building 520 00:26:02,731 --> 00:26:10,891 and on Cedar Street and i have some questions. 521 00:26:10,891 --> 00:26:14,221 And you may or may not be able to answer them tonight, 522 00:26:14,221 --> 00:26:17,671 but I will take a phone call explaining them to me 523 00:26:17,671 --> 00:26:21,451 if you get the answers First of all, 524 00:26:21,451 --> 00:26:26,551 I want to know what is the designee of the senior building 525 00:26:26,551 --> 00:26:27,661 now? 526 00:26:27,661 --> 00:26:32,971 Is it still classified as the senior building 527 00:26:32,971 --> 00:26:34,981 that's in the process to change this and that? 528 00:26:34,981 --> 00:26:46,321 Nate, can you answer that And yeah Mayor and council allow 529 00:26:46,321 --> 00:26:48,421 that designation has not changed since the building 530 00:26:48,421 --> 00:26:49,891 was constructed in 1978. 531 00:26:49,891 --> 00:26:51,991 It allows for a senior housing and, you know, those 532 00:26:51,991 --> 00:26:54,151 with disabilities And so that's the same that 533 00:26:54,151 --> 00:26:55,291 was originally allowed there. 534 00:26:55,291 --> 00:27:00,121 And as that has not changed, okay, That is what I wanted. 535 00:27:00,121 --> 00:27:07,785 Okay I was wondering how many units are there now I 536 00:27:07,785 --> 00:27:08,722 I do not have the exact. 537 00:27:08,722 --> 00:27:10,951 I can if you give me a minute to I can get that number for you. 538 00:27:10,951 --> 00:27:15,463 That's fine And yeah, my major concern 539 00:27:15,463 --> 00:27:22,531 is, will there be on site parking for all of the units 540 00:27:22,531 --> 00:27:26,971 and the staff and the visitor or are 541 00:27:26,971 --> 00:27:31,211 they going to be parking in the street all the time Sure. 542 00:27:31,211 --> 00:27:32,311 So the parking that's been taking 543 00:27:32,311 --> 00:27:35,634 place so they just they resurface working that. 544 00:27:35,634 --> 00:27:36,169 Yeah. 545 00:27:36,169 --> 00:27:36,705 Yeah. 546 00:27:36,705 --> 00:27:39,511 And so they've added additional parking spaces to what was there 547 00:27:39,511 --> 00:27:41,941 previously I think there's like six additional 548 00:27:41,941 --> 00:27:44,386 that was previously there Otherwise, 549 00:27:44,386 --> 00:27:47,232 it's the parking the number of units is remaining the same. 550 00:27:47,232 --> 00:27:48,832 They're basically, they're working on remodeling 551 00:27:48,832 --> 00:27:49,953 each of the units. 552 00:27:49,953 --> 00:27:54,441 And so it's a nine phase project either on phase seven of 9, 553 00:27:54,441 --> 00:27:56,161 where the tenants will basically get 554 00:27:56,161 --> 00:27:58,993 moved out while they're up dating those particular units. 555 00:27:58,993 --> 00:28:01,109 And then they move back in. 556 00:28:01,109 --> 00:28:08,671 So that was I was just checking in because right now it's a 5050 557 00:28:08,671 --> 00:28:16,111 on the lot to me, on how many cars are being some 558 00:28:16,111 --> 00:28:21,151 are from the home themselves that that's just during that 559 00:28:21,151 --> 00:28:26,086 and i just figured the same other way and the other work, 560 00:28:26,086 --> 00:28:34,441 then I have no problem then so now I have one about my sewer. 561 00:28:34,441 --> 00:28:42,331 I'm i don't know where my sewer connects to the city line. 562 00:28:42,331 --> 00:28:44,761 When it comes out. 563 00:28:44,761 --> 00:28:54,301 According the id, the green mark is the mark or the sewer Correct 564 00:28:54,301 --> 00:28:55,621 When you guys come out and. 565 00:28:55,621 --> 00:28:58,351 Mark Correct Right. 566 00:28:58,351 --> 00:29:01,141 Okay So if you want to have us identify, 567 00:29:01,141 --> 00:29:03,451 we could give you a look at our televised videos 568 00:29:03,451 --> 00:29:05,311 and tell you exactly where your sewer line 569 00:29:05,311 --> 00:29:06,631 is for your private lateral. 570 00:29:06,631 --> 00:29:14,401 I am really concerned because I had a plug line and the line 571 00:29:14,401 --> 00:29:28,801 goes out from my office and water utility So okay, 572 00:29:28,801 --> 00:29:39,996 I feel better If it was me but I don't know where 573 00:29:39,996 --> 00:29:47,311 to go because they went on How do you speak with a snake 574 00:29:47,311 --> 00:29:52,711 and i'm pretty sure we didn't hit the street 575 00:29:52,711 --> 00:30:00,751 and it shows the green mark is actually on my driveway 576 00:30:00,751 --> 00:30:08,081 But the line goes toward your house right 577 00:30:08,081 --> 00:30:09,781 So I think the best thing we could do is just leave 578 00:30:09,781 --> 00:30:11,281 your name address and a phone number. 579 00:30:11,281 --> 00:30:13,321 And I could look into that for you tomorrow. 580 00:30:13,321 --> 00:30:20,528 Okay Who do you want me to be ? 581 00:30:20,528 --> 00:30:26,071 OK And that was Michael Thank you. 582 00:30:26,071 --> 00:30:28,381 All right Then the other question about the amount 583 00:30:28,381 --> 00:30:32,161 of units and in that senior building Yep, 584 00:30:32,161 --> 00:30:36,571 there's 47 units in that facility 585 00:30:36,571 --> 00:30:40,384 And the state is saying 40,000. 586 00:30:40,384 --> 00:30:44,881 You can definitely correct this building and see. 587 00:30:44,881 --> 00:30:50,581 Correct That that one which all right, So, Barb, if you're done, 588 00:30:50,581 --> 00:30:52,411 then Barb Barb. 589 00:30:52,411 --> 00:30:53,881 So. 590 00:30:53,881 --> 00:30:55,981 All right As anybody else, I'd like to provide 591 00:30:55,981 --> 00:30:57,871 public comment All right. 592 00:30:57,871 --> 00:30:59,441 Yeah Okay. 593 00:30:59,441 --> 00:30:59,941 Go ahead. 594 00:30:59,941 --> 00:31:03,888 Come on up Hey, Kevin. 595 00:31:03,888 --> 00:31:04,621 Good to see you again. 596 00:31:04,621 --> 00:31:05,431 Hi there. 597 00:31:05,431 --> 00:31:09,401 Rob Newman I live a block away from here and just about 598 00:31:09,401 --> 00:31:09,901 to leave. 599 00:31:09,901 --> 00:31:10,441 Pick up thing. 600 00:31:10,441 --> 00:31:11,990 It's hugely beneficial. 601 00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:14,431 Specially being in the city. 602 00:31:14,431 --> 00:31:17,251 I think important because of the curb and everything The curb 603 00:31:17,251 --> 00:31:19,651 line and the leaves blow up on the curb line 604 00:31:19,651 --> 00:31:23,101 or sadly off by yard under the curb line 605 00:31:23,101 --> 00:31:27,211 Plus we have on the boardwalk side where responsible, you 606 00:31:27,211 --> 00:31:28,771 know, we take care that most and everything, 607 00:31:28,771 --> 00:31:34,921 but there's some huge trees there that dump bags and bags 608 00:31:34,921 --> 00:31:39,871 and bags of leaves that if you get rid of this what's going 609 00:31:39,871 --> 00:31:44,191 to happen to all those technically city owned leaves 610 00:31:44,191 --> 00:31:49,381 Am I going to be responsible to pay for the bags 611 00:31:49,381 --> 00:31:52,381 and everything else I mean, that's just a city, 612 00:31:52,381 --> 00:31:53,641 you know here in the city. 613 00:31:53,641 --> 00:31:56,221 It makes a difference versus out of the city. 614 00:31:56,221 --> 00:31:59,521 I think the program is great I love it. 615 00:31:59,521 --> 00:32:00,421 I look forward to it. 616 00:32:00,421 --> 00:32:04,165 Actually, every single year because it's a great benefit 617 00:32:04,165 --> 00:32:07,111 especially with me now 62, not that young spring 618 00:32:07,111 --> 00:32:07,981 chicken anymore. 619 00:32:07,981 --> 00:32:12,721 So it's nice to be able to get them where you guys can pick 620 00:32:12,721 --> 00:32:17,521 them up without me trying to put them in probably 200 bags 621 00:32:17,521 --> 00:32:18,121 with that. 622 00:32:18,121 --> 00:32:20,881 You see in my yard, it's like a park. 623 00:32:20,881 --> 00:32:24,601 So that's all I have to say, I really would love to have it. 624 00:32:24,601 --> 00:32:28,136 I thought too, about the keeping the cards open later. 625 00:32:28,136 --> 00:32:31,201 And then trying to weigh out the costs of hourly rates 626 00:32:31,201 --> 00:32:32,101 and all that kind of thing. 627 00:32:32,101 --> 00:32:35,581 It might be a break even to keep it, but that's it. 628 00:32:35,581 --> 00:32:42,422 So I want to say thank you all right, Jesse, you know my name. 629 00:32:42,422 --> 00:32:45,121 That's all right. 630 00:32:45,121 --> 00:32:49,652 I will get I wake up and I you no doubt anything. 631 00:32:49,652 --> 00:32:53,416 We didn't even need Fox 4 that So. 632 00:32:53,416 --> 00:32:57,560 All right. as you said, my name's Jesse Anderson. 633 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,181 I live here in North Branch I actually 634 00:33:00,181 --> 00:33:02,431 have two things I wanted to talk about real quick. 635 00:33:02,431 --> 00:33:05,191 Leaf pick up is one of them. 636 00:33:05,191 --> 00:33:07,112 Well, I don't utilize the service 637 00:33:07,112 --> 00:33:10,929 and i really don't have any need to. 638 00:33:10,929 --> 00:33:14,571 I recognize that there are many in this community that enjoy 639 00:33:14,571 --> 00:33:17,281 and use the leaf pickup service And I 640 00:33:17,281 --> 00:33:19,441 feel it can be beneficial as a selling point 641 00:33:19,441 --> 00:33:23,161 as well to improve our property values. 642 00:33:23,161 --> 00:33:25,327 No, I do have a few questions about the service, which 643 00:33:25,327 --> 00:33:27,061 you guys may or may not answer later, 644 00:33:27,061 --> 00:33:30,721 but I figured I'd ask them anyway 645 00:33:30,721 --> 00:33:33,241 I believe I heard you once talk about the city 646 00:33:33,241 --> 00:33:38,731 needing to buy a new truck to continue the service Do we use 647 00:33:38,731 --> 00:33:41,611 that truck for any other purpose or is it just solely 648 00:33:41,611 --> 00:33:44,755 leaf pickup It's Mr. Really? 649 00:33:44,755 --> 00:33:46,414 You want to solely pick up. 650 00:33:46,414 --> 00:33:51,751 OK So in that case, we just replaced our police 651 00:33:51,751 --> 00:33:53,221 cruiser fleet, right? 652 00:33:53,221 --> 00:33:55,689 But we passed the old Fleet on to the fire 653 00:33:55,689 --> 00:33:59,161 department, which tells me that the cruisers were still viable. 654 00:33:59,161 --> 00:34:00,301 Use. 655 00:34:00,301 --> 00:34:06,271 And so if we're replacing other viable vehicles 656 00:34:06,271 --> 00:34:09,481 are we not doing the same with the leaf pickup truck 657 00:34:09,481 --> 00:34:14,821 or vehicle, whatever it is And so I guess my question is, 658 00:34:14,821 --> 00:34:17,671 who inspected the truck to determine whether it 659 00:34:17,671 --> 00:34:20,281 needed to be replaced Yeah. 660 00:34:20,281 --> 00:34:24,121 So i don't know if that's a an age thing combined 661 00:34:24,121 --> 00:34:25,835 with the amount of repairs that seem 662 00:34:25,835 --> 00:34:28,171 to be accruing could you just speak to that for a moment? 663 00:34:28,171 --> 00:34:30,918 So we public works, we do have to the pickup trucks, one that 664 00:34:30,918 --> 00:34:32,902 is at the 20 year mark and one, I believe, 665 00:34:32,902 --> 00:34:35,332 is about Five years old. 666 00:34:35,332 --> 00:34:38,191 So those specialty trucks, it's usually like a 20 year 667 00:34:38,191 --> 00:34:43,951 replacement plan So they're over $300,000 a truck, 668 00:34:43,951 --> 00:34:46,831 right We looked at the one that's 20 669 00:34:46,831 --> 00:34:49,951 years old and determine whether it 670 00:34:49,951 --> 00:34:51,253 actually needed to be replaced. 671 00:34:51,253 --> 00:34:57,061 So it's still being used right Or I mean, just to clarify 672 00:34:57,061 --> 00:34:59,384 eventually it will wear out. 673 00:34:59,384 --> 00:34:59,936 Right. 674 00:34:59,936 --> 00:35:03,493 Obviously mean, can we make another year to probably. 675 00:35:03,493 --> 00:35:03,993 Right. 676 00:35:03,993 --> 00:35:05,663 And that's that's kind of what I'm wondering, 677 00:35:05,663 --> 00:35:07,801 does it need to be replaced right now or is this something 678 00:35:07,801 --> 00:35:11,101 that reaches look at in term and you 679 00:35:11,101 --> 00:35:14,311 know maybe it's good for another year, maybe five? 680 00:35:14,311 --> 00:35:16,834 Yeah it's on the radar is a longer 681 00:35:16,834 --> 00:35:18,647 you know like the planning you know the three, 682 00:35:18,647 --> 00:35:19,780 5, ten year plan right. 683 00:35:19,780 --> 00:35:20,280 Yeah. 684 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,952 And it just like Jeff said. 685 00:35:21,952 --> 00:35:25,153 OK that's all I got on that. 686 00:35:25,153 --> 00:35:25,653 OK. 687 00:35:25,653 --> 00:35:27,601 So now we'll get to the flat canvas 688 00:35:27,601 --> 00:35:31,291 because that's my specialty So over the past two weeks, 689 00:35:31,291 --> 00:35:33,031 I've been doing a fair amount of leg work. 690 00:35:33,031 --> 00:35:37,582 I've been I visited the August 18 Sandy County commissioners 691 00:35:37,582 --> 00:35:39,701 meeting and there. 692 00:35:39,701 --> 00:35:41,489 I found out they were on a trial plan. 693 00:35:41,489 --> 00:35:45,631 And I forget there was another city in the area 694 00:35:45,631 --> 00:35:49,111 that was also on a trial plan. 695 00:35:49,111 --> 00:35:51,301 So their cameras cost them nothing. 696 00:35:51,301 --> 00:35:55,531 A additionally if their cameras were vandalized or damaged, 697 00:35:55,531 --> 00:35:58,201 that also was not a liability for them. 698 00:35:58,201 --> 00:36:01,951 So that would cost them nothing I guess I'm just wondering why 699 00:36:01,951 --> 00:36:04,921 we didn't consider a trial period before we jumped 700 00:36:04,921 --> 00:36:07,951 into a three year contract. 701 00:36:07,951 --> 00:36:10,411 I guess the same thing I myself. 702 00:36:10,411 --> 00:36:13,711 So I don't know if you you want to comment on that at all. 703 00:36:13,711 --> 00:36:16,531 Was it was there an option? 704 00:36:16,531 --> 00:36:17,701 I didn't know about that. 705 00:36:17,701 --> 00:36:21,365 They didn't advise me of a trial plan. 706 00:36:21,365 --> 00:36:27,721 So i bet Okay So I also reached out 707 00:36:27,721 --> 00:36:29,761 to a number of municipalities that 708 00:36:29,761 --> 00:36:31,291 canceled your flat contract. 709 00:36:31,291 --> 00:36:33,874 I had a great conversation with the chief of police 710 00:36:33,874 --> 00:36:36,331 on a Mayflower, Arkansas. 711 00:36:36,331 --> 00:36:40,981 Brittany Bird Bird, I think is okay You know, 712 00:36:40,981 --> 00:36:43,381 she likes what the cameras can do for crime. 713 00:36:43,381 --> 00:36:46,141 You know, obviously, they can do good things 714 00:36:46,141 --> 00:36:48,961 but feels deeply that they violate people's rights. 715 00:36:48,961 --> 00:36:50,941 And that was more important to her 716 00:36:50,941 --> 00:36:56,401 than having the cameras She informed me that all she had 717 00:36:56,401 --> 00:36:59,461 to do to cancel their contract was send flag a letter stating 718 00:36:59,461 --> 00:37:02,251 they were concerned canceling the contract 719 00:37:02,251 --> 00:37:10,501 and they then made a lump sum for the the contract or she 720 00:37:10,501 --> 00:37:14,679 said that Clark told them they would charge them $500 camera 721 00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:18,266 to remove them Otherwise, they could 722 00:37:18,266 --> 00:37:22,081 leave them up for the duration of the contract. 723 00:37:22,081 --> 00:37:24,421 Two things that kind of stuck out to me on that 724 00:37:24,421 --> 00:37:26,228 because their contract ended. 725 00:37:26,228 --> 00:37:37,291 Next year, late next year So and Yeah the contracts typically 726 00:37:37,291 --> 00:37:37,921 are to renew. 727 00:37:37,921 --> 00:37:42,871 I'm assuming ours was set up to do the same right 728 00:37:42,871 --> 00:37:46,921 And what all the police chief there that the cameras would be 729 00:37:46,921 --> 00:37:52,021 deactivate it But what we've seen is many municipal cities 730 00:37:52,021 --> 00:37:56,881 have left their camera cameras in place after canceling. 731 00:37:56,881 --> 00:37:58,561 They found the cameras have been turned back 732 00:37:58,561 --> 00:38:04,441 on And what this kind of tells us is that flock means 733 00:38:04,441 --> 00:38:08,221 that your access to the cameras is deactivated, 734 00:38:08,221 --> 00:38:12,301 not necessarily the cameras themselves Other places 735 00:38:12,301 --> 00:38:14,611 they found they would take the cameras down 736 00:38:14,611 --> 00:38:17,101 or they removed the cameras, much like we did. 737 00:38:17,101 --> 00:38:20,911 And these two weeks later, walking by 738 00:38:20,911 --> 00:38:25,081 and put a few new cameras So which 739 00:38:25,081 --> 00:38:29,839 is crazy And so that kind of points 740 00:38:29,839 --> 00:38:32,761 to the whole business model behind the flock cameras. 741 00:38:32,761 --> 00:38:38,821 And that's the they sell it as a nationwide network of cameras 742 00:38:38,821 --> 00:38:42,781 that potentially access So taking cameras 743 00:38:42,781 --> 00:38:45,141 offline, that leaves a hole in the network 744 00:38:45,141 --> 00:38:46,541 And they don't they don't want. 745 00:38:46,541 --> 00:38:48,541 That's bad for their business model 746 00:38:48,541 --> 00:38:53,881 So tonight, I'm asking you again to cancel the contract I kind of 747 00:38:53,881 --> 00:38:56,071 give you a roadmap It kind of looks like you 748 00:38:56,071 --> 00:38:58,651 guys have looked at it as well. 749 00:38:58,651 --> 00:39:01,121 So all we need to do is follow it That's all I got. 750 00:39:01,121 --> 00:39:01,621 All right. 751 00:39:01,621 --> 00:39:02,121 Thank you. 752 00:39:02,121 --> 00:39:04,411 You, Jessie. 753 00:39:04,411 --> 00:39:04,921 All right. 754 00:39:04,921 --> 00:39:06,751 Anybody else would like to provide public comment 755 00:39:06,751 --> 00:39:11,791 at this point All right. 756 00:39:11,791 --> 00:39:13,981 So, you know, jumping up we're going to keep moving 757 00:39:13,981 --> 00:39:15,631 on as far as the flash stuff. 758 00:39:15,631 --> 00:39:18,211 We got more cameras and I've got some talking 759 00:39:18,211 --> 00:39:19,921 points Jessie, that I think you'll 760 00:39:19,921 --> 00:39:24,331 be interested in So All right. 761 00:39:24,331 --> 00:39:28,021 Well, here appreciate all the comments. 762 00:39:28,021 --> 00:39:30,091 And again, just as a reminder there 763 00:39:30,091 --> 00:39:32,941 was a time when we didn't allow public comment on action 764 00:39:32,941 --> 00:39:35,131 items for that same evening. 765 00:39:35,131 --> 00:39:36,901 But we did change out a year or two ago. 766 00:39:36,901 --> 00:39:38,401 Something like that. 767 00:39:38,401 --> 00:39:42,324 So you're welcome to provide public comment on action items. 768 00:39:42,324 --> 00:39:44,438 If you have important information 769 00:39:44,438 --> 00:39:45,571 We sure would like you to bring it 770 00:39:45,571 --> 00:39:47,881 before the night of the meeting because we don't have any way 771 00:39:47,881 --> 00:39:49,041 to verify or research that. 772 00:39:49,041 --> 00:39:49,541 Right. 773 00:39:49,541 --> 00:39:52,021 So hopefully that's common sense and you know, 774 00:39:52,021 --> 00:39:52,741 you understand that. 775 00:39:52,741 --> 00:39:54,541 So we can only do so much with it. 776 00:39:54,541 --> 00:39:56,641 If it's the First time we're hearing about that night. 777 00:39:56,641 --> 00:39:59,715 So please reach out to us ahead of time, Reach out to staff. 778 00:39:59,715 --> 00:40:05,311 So we can research this thing All right. 779 00:40:05,311 --> 00:40:08,881 City Administrator matthew Hill, all right. 780 00:40:08,881 --> 00:40:10,801 So move on to a consent agenda. 781 00:40:10,801 --> 00:40:12,661 So we've got several items in there. 782 00:40:12,661 --> 00:40:18,541 Seven is an alpha down to seven H, as in Hulu 783 00:40:18,541 --> 00:40:21,451 So looking for a motion to approve as it's 784 00:40:21,451 --> 00:40:23,461 laid out in front of us. 785 00:40:23,461 --> 00:40:26,221 So I make a motion to approve consent agendas 786 00:40:26,221 --> 00:40:29,041 is an item to Aitchison hotel. 787 00:40:29,041 --> 00:40:32,491 Okay Seconded by Meacham and the first and second. 788 00:40:32,491 --> 00:40:34,421 Any questions before we go? 789 00:40:34,421 --> 00:40:34,921 All right. 790 00:40:34,921 --> 00:40:35,701 All in favor. 791 00:40:35,701 --> 00:40:42,181 Signify by saying i any opposed ask unanimously All right. 792 00:40:42,181 --> 00:40:43,178 We want a staff report. 793 00:40:43,178 --> 00:40:44,821 So the first one is under nine A, 794 00:40:44,821 --> 00:40:48,481 and that's to consider approval of an ordinance amendment 795 00:40:48,481 --> 00:40:50,881 amending chapter 66 of the City Code regarding 796 00:40:50,881 --> 00:40:52,591 accessory dwelling units. 797 00:40:52,591 --> 00:40:56,221 So Mr. Sandra, are you kicking this for us Yes. 798 00:40:56,221 --> 00:40:57,541 Good evening, Mayor and council. 799 00:40:57,541 --> 00:41:00,481 I'm as you mentioned there is tonight, the consideration 800 00:41:00,481 --> 00:41:03,001 of an ordinance for 1626 to amend 801 00:41:03,001 --> 00:41:05,281 city code relating to the regulation 802 00:41:05,281 --> 00:41:07,081 of accessory dwelling units. 803 00:41:07,081 --> 00:41:11,191 More specifically it's chapter 66, 8 for the definitions 804 00:41:11,191 --> 00:41:15,901 of its use and then also a 66 Six for creating 805 00:41:15,901 --> 00:41:21,031 as a conditional use and the R1R and zoning districts 806 00:41:21,031 --> 00:41:23,923 And then lastly actually providing the performance 807 00:41:23,923 --> 00:41:28,081 standards and adding that in the 66 950 808 00:41:28,081 --> 00:41:29,341 So the 80 is that something that's 809 00:41:29,341 --> 00:41:33,832 been discussed for the past in more detail since April? 810 00:41:33,832 --> 00:41:36,113 But really it's been on board for the last year or so, 811 00:41:36,113 --> 00:41:38,889 and maybe we've had other people inquire about this, 812 00:41:38,889 --> 00:41:42,926 you know, variety of capacity over the past few years 813 00:41:42,926 --> 00:41:45,181 There's been multiple meetings that we've talked about this. 814 00:41:45,181 --> 00:41:48,121 And looking at, you know, what zoning districts what's 815 00:41:48,121 --> 00:41:50,881 the approval process look like, Size limitations, 816 00:41:50,881 --> 00:41:52,741 parking requirements which if you owner 817 00:41:52,741 --> 00:41:55,737 occupied utility connections. 818 00:41:55,737 --> 00:41:58,321 And then just design compatibility 819 00:41:58,321 --> 00:41:59,851 And so you can see in the graphic over here, 820 00:41:59,851 --> 00:42:01,321 there's a variety of 82 types. 821 00:42:01,321 --> 00:42:04,051 There's a detached ones, there's attached 822 00:42:04,051 --> 00:42:06,976 You can have in addition to your garage or remodel your house 823 00:42:06,976 --> 00:42:11,341 or the variety of of 80 possibilities on the planning 824 00:42:11,341 --> 00:42:14,221 commission discussed is that back in in July 825 00:42:14,221 --> 00:42:16,681 and they kind of had a draft ordinance which I'll kind of get 826 00:42:16,681 --> 00:42:19,471 to after a lot of months of discussion looking 827 00:42:19,471 --> 00:42:23,131 at these topics and really what the the ordinance really looks 828 00:42:23,131 --> 00:42:25,821 at as they looked at the zoning district where should be allowed 829 00:42:25,821 --> 00:42:27,431 So they talked about our one. 830 00:42:27,431 --> 00:42:31,261 And I have a map coming up show you where that's at requiring 831 00:42:31,261 --> 00:42:32,830 it to be a conditional use. 832 00:42:32,830 --> 00:42:35,151 And so every 80 would require going through a public hearing 833 00:42:35,151 --> 00:42:35,651 process. 834 00:42:35,651 --> 00:42:36,618 And it's a use. 835 00:42:36,618 --> 00:42:37,921 It's permitted with conditions. 836 00:42:37,921 --> 00:42:41,521 And so we look at each on an individual basis and apply 837 00:42:41,521 --> 00:42:44,011 the appropriate conditions that would allow opportunities 838 00:42:44,011 --> 00:42:48,061 for the public to provide comments at that public hearing 839 00:42:48,061 --> 00:42:50,761 for those that would be separate provisions 840 00:42:50,761 --> 00:42:53,551 for attached and detached and be a max 841 00:42:53,551 --> 00:42:56,045 floor area of 700 and 750ft². 842 00:42:56,045 --> 00:42:57,331 Appreciate it. 843 00:42:57,331 --> 00:43:02,041 Would require it'd be a max of 182 for property. 844 00:43:02,041 --> 00:43:04,351 The property owner has to be the parent has to either 845 00:43:04,351 --> 00:43:07,651 be the principal dwelling or else 846 00:43:07,651 --> 00:43:11,191 they could live in the accessory. 847 00:43:11,191 --> 00:43:13,441 They should be There is a discussion originally talking 848 00:43:13,441 --> 00:43:16,321 about having the accessory structures only in the rear yard 849 00:43:16,321 --> 00:43:19,291 at the public hearing there was discussion that allowing it 850 00:43:19,291 --> 00:43:22,176 in the side or front yard to match the accessory dwelling 851 00:43:22,176 --> 00:43:26,491 units me, the accessory, the And so we'll kind of talk 852 00:43:26,491 --> 00:43:27,721 about that in a little bit. 853 00:43:27,721 --> 00:43:30,721 Having the exterior building materials be compatible 854 00:43:30,721 --> 00:43:33,601 at the principal dwelling and then having that one parking 855 00:43:33,601 --> 00:43:37,911 space for that 80, you obviously having compliance 856 00:43:37,911 --> 00:43:40,351 with building and fire codes, looking 857 00:43:40,351 --> 00:43:41,761 at sanitary sewer connection. 858 00:43:41,761 --> 00:43:43,771 So if you're on municipal services, 859 00:43:43,771 --> 00:43:45,661 having that connection being made or if you're private. 860 00:43:45,661 --> 00:43:48,781 Well, and septic, making sure that the septic system is 861 00:43:48,781 --> 00:43:53,551 adequate and supports that additional bedroom to that 862 00:43:53,551 --> 00:43:57,573 to that system, it does not allow for manufactured homes, RV 863 00:43:57,573 --> 00:44:00,781 or campers to be utilized as an ideal 864 00:44:00,781 --> 00:44:04,316 and also did not allow for short term rentals and the failure 865 00:44:04,316 --> 00:44:06,271 to maintain would result in that. 866 00:44:06,271 --> 00:44:08,772 The revocation potentially, of that. 867 00:44:08,772 --> 00:44:13,171 So you p so looking at the zoning districts 868 00:44:13,171 --> 00:44:15,571 so this is the entire city here. 869 00:44:15,571 --> 00:44:19,351 And so the light yellow is going to be rural residential. 870 00:44:19,351 --> 00:44:21,541 The brighter yellow is going to be R one, which 871 00:44:21,541 --> 00:44:23,911 that's intended for B and have an initial services 872 00:44:23,911 --> 00:44:24,625 extended to them. 873 00:44:24,625 --> 00:44:26,947 And then the green area, that's going to be, again. 874 00:44:26,947 --> 00:44:28,351 So those are the zoning districts 875 00:44:28,351 --> 00:44:33,931 where it's been proposed to allow Ada used to be located 876 00:44:33,931 --> 00:44:35,461 as I mentioned at the public hearing, 877 00:44:35,461 --> 00:44:37,891 there was a discussion about the ability to have 878 00:44:37,891 --> 00:44:39,181 an 80 on the front yard. 879 00:44:39,181 --> 00:44:40,621 So if you had a larger property. 880 00:44:40,621 --> 00:44:43,721 So currently our accessory dwelling, so a garage and things 881 00:44:43,721 --> 00:44:44,221 like that. 882 00:44:44,221 --> 00:44:46,291 If you have five acres, a larger or they can 883 00:44:46,291 --> 00:44:48,271 be placed in the front yard. 884 00:44:48,271 --> 00:44:52,051 The Planning Commission felt that for if that's 885 00:44:52,051 --> 00:44:53,514 allowed in the front yard, you know, 886 00:44:53,514 --> 00:44:54,481 what would be the difference. 887 00:44:54,481 --> 00:44:55,921 And so they thought it should be consistent 888 00:44:55,921 --> 00:45:00,361 and have it follow the accessory structure ordinance. 889 00:45:00,361 --> 00:45:03,181 And so to allow for the on five acres or larger in the front 890 00:45:03,181 --> 00:45:06,361 yard and then allow it on the side yard and the yard for all 891 00:45:06,361 --> 00:45:10,628 properties The other discussion at at the public hearing was 892 00:45:10,628 --> 00:45:14,101 the ability to have it as a short term rental The Planning 893 00:45:14,101 --> 00:45:16,891 Commission in the current status of the proposed ordinance that 894 00:45:16,891 --> 00:45:21,751 requires to have a minimum of 30 days for or 80 used 895 00:45:21,751 --> 00:45:25,951 for and so and there was there's comments that were requesting 896 00:45:25,951 --> 00:45:28,351 support to have the ability to have short term rentals 897 00:45:28,351 --> 00:45:32,161 The Planning Commission decided to state recommend staying with 898 00:45:32,161 --> 00:45:35,551 the minimum of 30 days and to they thought that they could 899 00:45:35,551 --> 00:45:36,691 revisit in the future if this 900 00:45:36,691 --> 00:45:39,301 is something that would be approved. 901 00:45:39,301 --> 00:45:42,541 So as I mentioned, we you know, the definitions 902 00:45:42,541 --> 00:45:46,591 are one of the items that are to be recommended for amending 903 00:45:46,591 --> 00:45:51,582 And there is the definition below is in your packet Here's 904 00:45:51,582 --> 00:45:55,321 that permitted uses table identifying accessory dwelling 905 00:45:55,321 --> 00:45:56,731 units as a conditional use. 906 00:45:56,731 --> 00:45:58,141 And so you'll see that it's the see 907 00:45:58,141 --> 00:46:00,211 that's underlined in the R one role 908 00:46:00,211 --> 00:46:02,791 residential zoning districts. 909 00:46:02,791 --> 00:46:04,501 And then lastly the Planning Commission, 910 00:46:04,501 --> 00:46:07,141 after they held their public hearing back on August 4th, 911 00:46:07,141 --> 00:46:08,496 they ultimately recommended approval 912 00:46:08,496 --> 00:46:12,361 with the ordinance as presented in your packets this evening. 913 00:46:12,361 --> 00:46:16,141 And so with that I'll be looking for any questions or comments 914 00:46:16,141 --> 00:46:17,521 or discussion from the Council. 915 00:46:17,521 --> 00:46:19,231 Oh, I saw hand up in the audience 916 00:46:19,231 --> 00:46:21,541 So if you have a question mark up, just identify yourself. 917 00:46:21,541 --> 00:46:29,611 Go ahead and ask your question My name's all 11 Maple Street. 918 00:46:29,611 --> 00:46:32,791 OK I came here tonight for flock completely. 919 00:46:32,791 --> 00:46:35,911 What I came for, bye. 920 00:46:35,911 --> 00:46:39,631 Moved up here back in September and kind of 921 00:46:39,631 --> 00:46:41,341 bought a older house on Maple Street. 922 00:46:41,341 --> 00:46:43,501 And I have a detached garage So I 923 00:46:43,501 --> 00:46:49,651 guess my question was sheds kind of classify under that 180 you 924 00:46:49,651 --> 00:46:53,071 as well because I was kind of starting out 925 00:46:53,071 --> 00:46:55,951 rolling and thinking about adding a shed into the yard 926 00:46:55,951 --> 00:46:58,411 So before I start doing all the research into that, 927 00:46:58,411 --> 00:47:00,944 I just want to know if it's possible or not for it 928 00:47:00,944 --> 00:47:02,007 all the time. 929 00:47:02,007 --> 00:47:05,351 And effort and trying to plan something like that out. 930 00:47:05,351 --> 00:47:05,851 Sure. 931 00:47:05,851 --> 00:47:08,341 So there's a variety of things that impact So each, each site, 932 00:47:08,341 --> 00:47:11,371 you know, so the proposed uses being a conditional use permit 933 00:47:11,371 --> 00:47:14,101 And so each site would be looked at as an application submitted. 934 00:47:14,101 --> 00:47:16,771 But in theory, yes, you could have an accessory structure 935 00:47:16,771 --> 00:47:18,181 and an accessory dwelling. 936 00:47:18,181 --> 00:47:21,691 So you could have like a shed and an accessory dwelling unit 937 00:47:21,691 --> 00:47:24,571 over on your property The things that could potentially impact 938 00:47:24,571 --> 00:47:26,701 it are going to be setbacks from the property lines, 939 00:47:26,701 --> 00:47:29,551 setbacks from the existing buildings maximum 940 00:47:29,551 --> 00:47:32,345 pervious area on your existing lot 941 00:47:32,345 --> 00:47:34,785 And so that's where it really kind of comes down 942 00:47:34,785 --> 00:47:36,661 to each individual parcel is going to need to be looked 943 00:47:36,661 --> 00:47:39,031 at a case by case basis So that meets those setback 944 00:47:39,031 --> 00:47:40,411 requirements as proposed. 945 00:47:40,411 --> 00:47:42,545 The ordinance that's being presented tonight. 946 00:47:42,545 --> 00:47:43,120 OK. 947 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,351 I'll be looking for storage or actually semi living in there. 948 00:47:46,351 --> 00:47:46,861 Storage. 949 00:47:46,861 --> 00:47:47,361 Okay. 950 00:47:47,361 --> 00:47:48,594 So as a different classification. 951 00:47:48,594 --> 00:47:49,627 Yeah, that's a different class. 952 00:47:49,627 --> 00:47:50,359 This is Yeah. 953 00:47:50,359 --> 00:47:52,291 This is to allow for an accessory. 954 00:47:52,291 --> 00:47:53,701 So basically somebody to have the ability 955 00:47:53,701 --> 00:47:55,561 to have a dwelling unit. 956 00:47:55,561 --> 00:47:57,217 And so an accessory building. 957 00:47:57,217 --> 00:47:59,571 Oh, yeah Sorry, sorry. 958 00:47:59,571 --> 00:48:00,283 Yeah, yeah. 959 00:48:00,283 --> 00:48:01,173 No, you're good. 960 00:48:01,173 --> 00:48:02,791 Yep Thank you. 961 00:48:02,791 --> 00:48:05,011 Yeah. 962 00:48:05,011 --> 00:48:07,411 So if we're watching, we got to make sure they can hear you 963 00:48:07,411 --> 00:48:10,381 on the microphone So this is for, like, you want 964 00:48:10,381 --> 00:48:12,901 to put an addition out and then have somebody rent it out type 965 00:48:12,901 --> 00:48:17,161 of thing, Or is this for, like, an extra storage garage or Or 966 00:48:17,161 --> 00:48:17,801 all the above? 967 00:48:17,801 --> 00:48:18,301 Yeah. 968 00:48:18,301 --> 00:48:21,306 So pretty much all zoning districts allow for bikes, 969 00:48:21,306 --> 00:48:23,791 for garages or sheds currently. 970 00:48:23,791 --> 00:48:26,968 And so the size of the garage or said that you can currently have 971 00:48:26,968 --> 00:48:28,500 on your property is going to be based 972 00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:31,381 off of the id, the buildable area of your existing lot. 973 00:48:31,381 --> 00:48:34,711 Okay The one thing I did see was match like the siding 974 00:48:34,711 --> 00:48:37,531 or the my problem is that I live in a brick house that 975 00:48:37,531 --> 00:48:39,871 was built in the late 60s early 70s, 976 00:48:39,871 --> 00:48:42,091 so that brick doesn't exist. 977 00:48:42,091 --> 00:48:42,961 So what would i do? 978 00:48:42,961 --> 00:48:45,421 Because I was thinking maybe down the line 979 00:48:45,421 --> 00:48:47,731 putting in because I know you're allowed 750 square foot. 980 00:48:47,731 --> 00:48:51,181 So if i wanted like an outbuilding, I'm in town What 981 00:48:51,181 --> 00:48:52,651 could I do? 982 00:48:52,651 --> 00:48:54,211 Because I know we can't match that brick. 983 00:48:54,211 --> 00:48:55,891 I don't even know where it came from So 984 00:48:55,891 --> 00:48:58,095 are you looking for storage or somebody actually live in it? 985 00:48:58,095 --> 00:48:58,595 No. 986 00:48:58,595 --> 00:49:00,490 It would just be like an hour for, like, an extra build. 987 00:49:00,490 --> 00:49:02,611 OK So I think we have to make that clarification again. 988 00:49:02,611 --> 00:49:04,974 So dwelling me something to live in there like a guest house 989 00:49:04,974 --> 00:49:06,241 right there where they have a bathroom 990 00:49:06,241 --> 00:49:09,391 and well, I would put if I could afford it, 991 00:49:09,391 --> 00:49:11,403 I would put like something up top. 992 00:49:11,403 --> 00:49:13,385 But that might just be a man cave, 993 00:49:13,385 --> 00:49:16,328 you know call it a mother in law suite. 994 00:49:16,328 --> 00:49:19,771 You know But no, but mostly, mainly for a garage Yeah. 995 00:49:19,771 --> 00:49:22,661 Yeah, but I still have to match the. 996 00:49:22,661 --> 00:49:23,161 Yeah. 997 00:49:23,161 --> 00:49:24,781 In the way the accessory structure code 998 00:49:24,781 --> 00:49:27,061 is written It says it has to be architecturally harmonious 999 00:49:27,061 --> 00:49:30,176 and so it has to match as closely as possible, you know. 1000 00:49:30,176 --> 00:49:31,697 And so if there's, that's, again, 1001 00:49:31,697 --> 00:49:33,361 it's kind of a case by case basis. 1002 00:49:33,361 --> 00:49:36,575 And so, you know we're going to look at it if, you know, 1003 00:49:36,575 --> 00:49:37,838 if that brick is no longer available, 1004 00:49:37,838 --> 00:49:40,591 if there's something similar in nature, 1005 00:49:40,591 --> 00:49:42,901 that's the way that the code is what it would still have to be. 1006 00:49:42,901 --> 00:49:45,082 Brick it would, yeah. 1007 00:49:45,082 --> 00:49:46,795 We'd want to look at it and see. 1008 00:49:46,795 --> 00:49:47,295 Yeah. 1009 00:49:47,295 --> 00:49:50,101 So, yeah, if it's the way it's proposed in, 1010 00:49:50,101 --> 00:49:52,471 I would say having a private conversation to with your staff 1011 00:49:52,471 --> 00:49:56,551 would help because maybe there's some other complementary type 1012 00:49:56,551 --> 00:49:57,991 something that would look material, right? 1013 00:49:57,991 --> 00:50:03,193 A percentage of right that makes it harmonious OK. 1014 00:50:03,193 --> 00:50:03,805 Thank you. 1015 00:50:03,805 --> 00:50:04,417 You bet. 1016 00:50:04,417 --> 00:50:07,051 Yeah Question go ahead. 1017 00:50:07,051 --> 00:50:10,711 Excuse me, Nick, you explain that short term rental that you 1018 00:50:10,711 --> 00:50:11,701 saying it's not forbidden. 1019 00:50:11,701 --> 00:50:15,541 So is it, for example, the structure that we talked about, 1020 00:50:15,541 --> 00:50:21,421 you're adding on to the house Is it for the house and add on 1021 00:50:21,421 --> 00:50:23,941 or is just for the add on that the short term, 1022 00:50:23,941 --> 00:50:27,331 I'm confused on terminology and water supplies. 1023 00:50:27,331 --> 00:50:28,861 It's short Sure. 1024 00:50:28,861 --> 00:50:31,380 So the way the code is currently written here 1025 00:50:31,380 --> 00:50:32,971 and see if I can pull this up, it basically it 1026 00:50:32,971 --> 00:50:36,151 says it has to be like so if you have a lease, if somebody is 1027 00:50:36,151 --> 00:50:37,921 renting that space that they have it has to be 1028 00:50:37,921 --> 00:50:40,713 a minimum of 30 days that they'd be residing there 1029 00:50:40,713 --> 00:50:42,811 because the intention is not to provide it 1030 00:50:42,811 --> 00:50:44,461 when that was when the code is drafted 1031 00:50:44,461 --> 00:50:46,381 is not because we're looking at having this 1032 00:50:46,381 --> 00:50:48,781 in residential neighborhoods and so having it 1033 00:50:48,781 --> 00:50:50,491 where it's not really creating like almost 1034 00:50:50,491 --> 00:50:52,351 like a lodging or a different type of use 1035 00:50:52,351 --> 00:50:54,429 than that's currently there. 1036 00:50:54,429 --> 00:50:56,233 If you have a short term rental where it's week, 1037 00:50:56,233 --> 00:50:57,948 you know, every weekend or whatever it may be, 1038 00:50:57,948 --> 00:50:59,581 that's going to have a different traffic pattern. 1039 00:50:59,581 --> 00:51:04,654 And then compared to what's currently when people live 1040 00:51:04,654 --> 00:51:08,355 there, that's how that was, how it was, you know, 1041 00:51:08,355 --> 00:51:09,451 it was kind of brought forward. 1042 00:51:09,451 --> 00:51:10,891 And so they know. 1043 00:51:10,891 --> 00:51:14,826 So an Airbnb could be short term rental 1044 00:51:14,826 --> 00:51:17,572 It could be that for and like I said, 1045 00:51:17,572 --> 00:51:19,141 they can't The Planning Commission 1046 00:51:19,141 --> 00:51:22,504 wasn't completely against the idea of a short term rental. 1047 00:51:22,504 --> 00:51:23,671 I think we have a right to do that. 1048 00:51:23,671 --> 00:51:25,760 There are things like we'd want to do because in our zoning 1049 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,060 definition, it doesn't currently define 1050 00:51:27,060 --> 00:51:29,401 what a short term rental is, and there's 1051 00:51:29,401 --> 00:51:30,391 things we want to explore. 1052 00:51:30,391 --> 00:51:31,471 I think they don't necessarily. 1053 00:51:31,471 --> 00:51:34,021 We've had requests to allow essentially like, you know, 1054 00:51:34,021 --> 00:51:38,071 if you have a a parent or a child that's looking for a place 1055 00:51:38,071 --> 00:51:38,761 to stay. 1056 00:51:38,761 --> 00:51:41,551 And so that's why it really kind of, you know, kind of help 1057 00:51:41,551 --> 00:51:44,641 form the basis of the language in the current code 1058 00:51:44,641 --> 00:51:45,901 that's being proposed. 1059 00:51:45,901 --> 00:51:47,679 And they said that they could revisit this, 1060 00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:48,984 you know in the future. 1061 00:51:48,984 --> 00:51:50,251 They just wanted to kind of, you know, 1062 00:51:50,251 --> 00:51:54,605 bring it forward like this today Thank you And part of the reason 1063 00:51:54,605 --> 00:51:56,306 this has come up to Right. 1064 00:51:56,306 --> 00:51:58,791 Is to provide some type of additional flexible housing. 1065 00:51:58,791 --> 00:52:00,826 So someone's got a family member and they 1066 00:52:00,826 --> 00:52:03,431 can live in a secondary building on their property. 1067 00:52:03,431 --> 00:52:03,931 Right. 1068 00:52:03,931 --> 00:52:07,081 It provides flexibility to allow that Correct. 1069 00:52:07,081 --> 00:52:08,311 That's part of what's driving. 1070 00:52:08,311 --> 00:52:09,601 Yeah, absolutely. 1071 00:52:09,601 --> 00:52:12,337 I think there Well Yeah. 1072 00:52:12,337 --> 00:52:13,507 So I like that. 1073 00:52:13,507 --> 00:52:17,071 Clarify and I'm glad you describe that too as far as the 1074 00:52:17,071 --> 00:52:18,781 looking further into that short term 1075 00:52:18,781 --> 00:52:22,261 rentals I think i'm probably aligned with where you were 1076 00:52:22,261 --> 00:52:25,021 going with us I would like to pursue and understand, 1077 00:52:25,021 --> 00:52:27,751 you know, what we should do to make sure we consider 1078 00:52:27,751 --> 00:52:31,051 the short term rentals because I think if somebody makes 1079 00:52:31,051 --> 00:52:33,541 this investment, I don't want to limit their rights to be 1080 00:52:33,541 --> 00:52:35,971 able to sell as they choose, but I want to make sure we do it 1081 00:52:35,971 --> 00:52:36,721 the right way. 1082 00:52:36,721 --> 00:52:41,251 So yeah, I think that makes sense 1083 00:52:41,251 --> 00:52:45,751 So it's the right way, not long, less than 30 days or right 1084 00:52:45,751 --> 00:52:47,430 now I think I like the process. 1085 00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:48,281 OK All right. 1086 00:52:48,281 --> 00:52:49,151 We're going to do this. 1087 00:52:49,151 --> 00:52:51,466 And then i would advising the Planning Commission 1088 00:52:51,466 --> 00:52:53,153 to continue to investigate. 1089 00:52:53,153 --> 00:52:54,664 OK Short term rentals. 1090 00:52:54,664 --> 00:52:55,231 Gotcha. 1091 00:52:55,231 --> 00:52:56,381 The explanation made sense. 1092 00:52:56,381 --> 00:52:56,881 Yeah. 1093 00:52:56,881 --> 00:53:01,141 Yep Just let's continue right And that's exactly how the chair 1094 00:53:01,141 --> 00:53:04,261 laid it out when I was attending the perfect let's 1095 00:53:04,261 --> 00:53:07,920 start here, get more information We can address it as we need it. 1096 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:08,741 Future. 1097 00:53:08,741 --> 00:53:09,241 Thank you. 1098 00:53:09,241 --> 00:53:11,671 That's a good start Yeah, but especially 1099 00:53:11,671 --> 00:53:13,561 when you're thinking about how big a some of the lots 1100 00:53:13,561 --> 00:53:15,581 are in the city that you can't do it currently. 1101 00:53:15,581 --> 00:53:16,081 Right? 1102 00:53:16,081 --> 00:53:18,179 Let's let's move that ball forward 1103 00:53:18,179 --> 00:53:19,981 and then we can adjust as we need 1104 00:53:19,981 --> 00:53:25,711 appropriately other questions or statements 1105 00:53:25,711 --> 00:53:26,911 I'll make a motion to approve. 1106 00:53:26,911 --> 00:53:27,511 Perfect. 1107 00:53:27,511 --> 00:53:28,441 Second. 1108 00:53:28,441 --> 00:53:31,531 And you're approving what, what ordinance number 1109 00:53:31,531 --> 00:53:36,061 or 16-26 the second on 41626. 1110 00:53:36,061 --> 00:53:37,711 As is laid out in front of us. 1111 00:53:37,711 --> 00:53:38,701 Yeah. 1112 00:53:38,701 --> 00:53:39,451 First and second. 1113 00:53:39,451 --> 00:53:42,433 The other question before we vote no All in favor 1114 00:53:42,433 --> 00:53:45,762 signify by saying I any oppose That's unanimously. 1115 00:53:45,762 --> 00:53:46,262 Okay. 1116 00:53:46,262 --> 00:53:46,762 Thank you. 1117 00:53:46,762 --> 00:53:52,201 Cannot All right. 1118 00:53:52,201 --> 00:53:55,021 So the next one is nine be in has to consider approval 1119 00:53:55,021 --> 00:53:58,831 of reallocation of committed generation fund proceeds 1120 00:53:58,831 --> 00:54:01,664 for the north bus all time project to parks and trails 1121 00:54:01,664 --> 00:54:05,011 projects, including the Flank Avenue trail extension. 1122 00:54:05,011 --> 00:54:07,171 So who's leading this one, Mr. Hill 1123 00:54:07,171 --> 00:54:09,121 Thank you, Mayor and Council. 1124 00:54:09,121 --> 00:54:12,541 In 2023, the city did complete the sale of the electric utility 1125 00:54:12,541 --> 00:54:17,041 to eCB following the necessary defeasance of the bonds There 1126 00:54:17,041 --> 00:54:22,981 was $1.865 million that did remain that was committed 1127 00:54:22,981 --> 00:54:26,251 at the time to an infrastructure improvement of the Northwest 1128 00:54:26,251 --> 00:54:30,301 old town area due to the council directives that 1129 00:54:30,301 --> 00:54:33,421 were provided here at the last couple of meetings. 1130 00:54:33,421 --> 00:54:39,601 That did kind of change the scope of that project It did 1131 00:54:39,601 --> 00:54:43,951 reduce the the requirement of that $1.8 million for that 1132 00:54:43,951 --> 00:54:47,491 project, approximately 800,000 of that original commitment is 1133 00:54:47,491 --> 00:54:51,601 currently available for alternative project funding 1134 00:54:51,601 --> 00:54:55,051 The city administration is proposing reallocating this 1135 00:54:55,051 --> 00:55:00,331 uncon mitted balance of up to $500,000 to support high 1136 00:55:00,331 --> 00:55:04,021 priority parks and trails projects Specifically, 1137 00:55:04,021 --> 00:55:06,572 these funds would be used to address the current budget. 1138 00:55:06,572 --> 00:55:11,281 Short falls on the link avenue trail extension which 1139 00:55:11,281 --> 00:55:13,381 does require additional funding to move forward 1140 00:55:13,381 --> 00:55:15,721 with the reception of the bids that 1141 00:55:15,721 --> 00:55:17,461 exceeded the original estimate. 1142 00:55:17,461 --> 00:55:21,241 That is next on the agenda if this gets approved this evening, 1143 00:55:21,241 --> 00:55:24,271 it is recommended that the Council do authorize staff 1144 00:55:24,271 --> 00:55:28,501 to proceed with the reallocation of up to $500,000 from 1145 00:55:28,501 --> 00:55:31,441 the Generation Fund to the Capital Fund for this link 1146 00:55:31,441 --> 00:55:36,781 avenue trail extension The second part of that is actually 1147 00:55:36,781 --> 00:55:39,091 a step that we were taking internally to work with 1148 00:55:39,091 --> 00:55:40,681 our auditors to make sure that we're following 1149 00:55:40,681 --> 00:55:42,001 the right processes on that. 1150 00:55:42,001 --> 00:55:43,891 And we have confirmed that. 1151 00:55:43,891 --> 00:55:47,851 So we are just author requesting the authorization 1152 00:55:47,851 --> 00:55:51,991 of the reallocation of up to $500,000 from the generation 1153 00:55:51,991 --> 00:55:54,211 and Fund to the capital fund for the Flank 1154 00:55:54,211 --> 00:55:57,631 Avenue trail extension Any questions from Mr. 1155 00:55:57,631 --> 00:55:59,461 Hill on this one? 1156 00:55:59,461 --> 00:56:02,041 Should we postpone this one until we actually 1157 00:56:02,041 --> 00:56:04,321 approve the old town project? 1158 00:56:04,321 --> 00:56:05,281 Which direction we're going? 1159 00:56:05,281 --> 00:56:06,381 So I don't think we've done that. 1160 00:56:06,381 --> 00:56:12,001 Correct Staff will be receiving at the next council meeting 1161 00:56:12,001 --> 00:56:17,491 a proposal from WSB to prove to us with the plans and specs 1162 00:56:17,491 --> 00:56:22,171 But at this time the scope of the project has been approved. 1163 00:56:22,171 --> 00:56:24,541 It's just the funding sources in the allocation 1164 00:56:24,541 --> 00:56:26,911 of the actual disbursement of of that 1165 00:56:26,911 --> 00:56:32,551 for that project going forward I see your point, Councilor gill. 1166 00:56:32,551 --> 00:56:34,141 I mean, it does make me a little nervous. 1167 00:56:34,141 --> 00:56:37,287 We're we're not even out for bid and I know we have leeway 1168 00:56:37,287 --> 00:56:38,683 and you say, I mean approximately 1169 00:56:38,683 --> 00:56:44,371 if I'm doing my math right, another 300 K approximately 1170 00:56:44,371 --> 00:56:45,820 But I don't know. 1171 00:56:45,820 --> 00:56:47,774 It does worry me a little bit. 1172 00:56:47,774 --> 00:56:50,101 So if I may you have the mayor and council. 1173 00:56:50,101 --> 00:56:54,331 So there is currently 1.8 designated to this project 1174 00:56:54,331 --> 00:56:57,331 The initial findings brought forward from the engineers 1175 00:56:57,331 --> 00:57:01,171 was to have $1 million set aside of that 1.8 1176 00:57:01,171 --> 00:57:04,868 for this project for the surface improvements 1177 00:57:04,868 --> 00:57:09,189 and subsequent communication with the city engineers. 1178 00:57:09,189 --> 00:57:11,971 The that full $1 million is probably not 1179 00:57:11,971 --> 00:57:15,361 going to be necessary either because the do the sub surface 1180 00:57:15,361 --> 00:57:18,121 improvements to the water lines The surface needs 1181 00:57:18,121 --> 00:57:20,371 to be disturbed and that would actually come out of the water 1182 00:57:20,371 --> 00:57:24,511 fund And instead of the generation funding. 1183 00:57:24,511 --> 00:57:28,621 So there would actually be i don't I can't put a number 1184 00:57:28,621 --> 00:57:31,143 to it, but it would actually be quite a bit 1185 00:57:31,143 --> 00:57:33,195 less than the million dollars that we 1186 00:57:33,195 --> 00:57:36,001 currently have set aside as at the last council 1187 00:57:36,001 --> 00:57:38,961 meeting that helps. 1188 00:57:38,961 --> 00:57:43,591 So then if we ran into overages or other issues 1189 00:57:43,591 --> 00:57:47,491 like you brought up the generation Fund money that 1190 00:57:47,491 --> 00:57:49,441 was allocated would not be where we're going 1191 00:57:49,441 --> 00:57:52,531 to like to supplement that. 1192 00:57:52,531 --> 00:57:55,201 That's correct Okay. 1193 00:57:55,201 --> 00:57:57,721 Is there urgency tonight to do this 1194 00:57:57,721 --> 00:58:01,771 based on bids we've got for the trail project or the grant Yeah. 1195 00:58:01,771 --> 00:58:05,521 Or the grant for the project needs 1196 00:58:05,521 --> 00:58:11,281 to be started So let me just use the right the right words here 1197 00:58:11,281 --> 00:58:15,601 needs to be started by end of June of 2027 1198 00:58:15,601 --> 00:58:18,211 to receive the full allocation of the grants 1199 00:58:18,211 --> 00:58:20,251 that we've already received. 1200 00:58:20,251 --> 00:58:23,341 Yeah, we do have a bid that's been sitting out there 1201 00:58:23,341 --> 00:58:25,471 and the contractors wondering what's going to go on here. 1202 00:58:25,471 --> 00:58:27,691 So you say urgency, though. 1203 00:58:27,691 --> 00:58:29,732 You just referred to why can't we do this next month? 1204 00:58:29,732 --> 00:58:33,641 Yeah not, not wait in the year, but just next month. 1205 00:58:33,641 --> 00:58:34,141 Correct. 1206 00:58:34,141 --> 00:58:34,651 Is that your. 1207 00:58:34,651 --> 00:58:39,631 Yeah, that's my implying that correct that does the bid change 1208 00:58:39,631 --> 00:58:43,771 after a certain amount of time I would defer to Heidi in regards 1209 00:58:43,771 --> 00:58:46,061 to the actual timeline on the bid process. 1210 00:58:46,061 --> 00:58:46,561 Yeah. 1211 00:58:46,561 --> 00:58:48,481 Mayor and councilmembers, I think my only concern 1212 00:58:48,481 --> 00:58:50,041 is we have it's been a couple of months 1213 00:58:50,041 --> 00:58:51,871 now since we opened the bids. 1214 00:58:51,871 --> 00:58:53,431 So the contractors really wondering, 1215 00:58:53,431 --> 00:58:56,101 this is the second time the project's been put out for bid. 1216 00:58:56,101 --> 00:58:58,711 The first time they reject it. 1217 00:58:58,711 --> 00:59:00,811 So, I mean, I think we can keep them interested. 1218 00:59:00,811 --> 00:59:02,971 I think we can keep them committed to their bid, 1219 00:59:02,971 --> 00:59:04,726 but the longer it goes on, the more 1220 00:59:04,726 --> 00:59:06,691 we risk that the contractor says, listen, 1221 00:59:06,691 --> 00:59:08,311 I had to move on and find some more work. 1222 00:59:08,311 --> 00:59:10,831 I need a I need a lot of my crews 1223 00:59:10,831 --> 00:59:12,331 So there is just some level of risk 1224 00:59:12,331 --> 00:59:16,381 that the contractor would not not continue to honor the bid. 1225 00:59:16,381 --> 00:59:18,721 But so it's just a bit of a risk. 1226 00:59:18,721 --> 00:59:21,361 But again, we do not we all of our numbers 1227 00:59:21,361 --> 00:59:23,431 that we're looking at, the project 1228 00:59:23,431 --> 00:59:26,131 will not require the one more than $1 million 1229 00:59:26,131 --> 00:59:29,281 for sure of this money for the Northwest old town 1230 00:59:29,281 --> 00:59:30,661 reduced cycle project. 1231 00:59:30,661 --> 00:59:32,191 So, Heidi, my understanding this project 1232 00:59:32,191 --> 00:59:33,859 will not start until late next spring. 1233 00:59:33,859 --> 00:59:34,359 Right. 1234 00:59:34,359 --> 00:59:34,859 So. 1235 00:59:34,859 --> 00:59:36,001 Well, it might start this fall. 1236 00:59:36,001 --> 00:59:38,213 Oh, they just need to be done by next June. 1237 00:59:38,213 --> 00:59:40,261 The project specs set has to be completed. 1238 00:59:40,261 --> 00:59:41,041 That that. 1239 00:59:41,041 --> 00:59:42,661 Well, in this special extensions, 1240 00:59:42,661 --> 00:59:45,871 we said it needs substantial completion by June of 27. 1241 00:59:45,871 --> 00:59:48,781 They have not decided if they would start this fall 1242 00:59:48,781 --> 00:59:49,711 or start next spring. 1243 00:59:49,711 --> 00:59:52,651 That they'll figure that out once the project is awarded, 1244 00:59:52,651 --> 00:59:54,511 they'll start putting some real planning 1245 00:59:54,511 --> 01:00:00,721 and actually ordering materials and things change. 1246 01:00:00,721 --> 01:00:09,048 Anything for you here in that I do like the fact 1247 01:00:09,048 --> 01:00:11,158 we put some caps on the old town project 1248 01:00:11,158 --> 01:00:13,681 basically required us to have an answer there. 1249 01:00:13,681 --> 01:00:17,851 So there is that benefit well in and it finishes the nice trail 1250 01:00:17,851 --> 01:00:20,777 that's been talked about for quite some time 1251 01:00:20,777 --> 01:00:23,981 to correct all the housing going up north right section up there. 1252 01:00:23,981 --> 01:00:24,481 Right. 1253 01:00:24,481 --> 01:00:26,042 So it's going to probably get a lot more use. 1254 01:00:26,042 --> 01:00:26,542 Yes. 1255 01:00:26,542 --> 01:00:28,381 I mean, that's right. 1256 01:00:28,381 --> 01:00:30,301 And not nit picking the word nice, 1257 01:00:30,301 --> 01:00:32,971 but Yeah. then you talk about the amount of writing 1258 01:00:32,971 --> 01:00:38,491 that's going in that corner and speed definitely Yes, it 1259 01:00:38,491 --> 01:00:42,881 will I mean, I'd make a motion to to make 1260 01:00:42,881 --> 01:00:52,303 it make sure I get this right So I, I'd like there's Two things. 1261 01:00:52,303 --> 01:00:54,721 Well, the first one, we got to take action. 1262 01:00:54,721 --> 01:00:57,931 A second one, I mean they've got a two part system 1263 01:00:57,931 --> 01:00:59,429 authorized reallocation is one. 1264 01:00:59,429 --> 01:01:06,601 And they're going to direct staff So are you talking about 1265 01:01:06,601 --> 01:01:09,355 be it were the you talked about. 1266 01:01:09,355 --> 01:01:09,855 Yes. 1267 01:01:09,855 --> 01:01:12,061 Yeah, but recommendation one and two. 1268 01:01:12,061 --> 01:01:12,726 Right. 1269 01:01:12,726 --> 01:01:13,051 Yeah. 1270 01:01:13,051 --> 01:01:14,351 If you look further down in the record. 1271 01:01:14,351 --> 01:01:16,085 Yep kind of a two part thing. 1272 01:01:16,085 --> 01:01:17,216 Oh okay. 1273 01:01:17,216 --> 01:01:27,571 Yeah OK So yeah, that morphed into approve the reallocate 1274 01:01:27,571 --> 01:01:33,992 an automated generation fund for 500,000 received three units 1275 01:01:33,992 --> 01:01:39,545 for the park children project, including the 3 for the link 1276 01:01:39,545 --> 01:01:45,151 trail extension and then the direct staff to finalize 1277 01:01:45,151 --> 01:01:48,331 the necessary accounting transfers upon confirmation from 1278 01:01:48,331 --> 01:01:53,105 the city's financial advisors or auditors regarding the transfer 1279 01:01:53,105 --> 01:01:58,109 of funds between enterprise and capital funds or did he 1280 01:01:58,109 --> 01:01:59,646 frame that correctly Yes, sir. 1281 01:01:59,646 --> 01:02:00,438 Okay. 1282 01:02:00,438 --> 01:02:02,071 You have a second. 1283 01:02:02,071 --> 01:02:03,051 Second, Mr. Mayor. 1284 01:02:03,051 --> 01:02:03,551 Okay. 1285 01:02:03,551 --> 01:02:04,984 Well, first and second, any other questions 1286 01:02:04,984 --> 01:02:07,361 or comments before we vote? 1287 01:02:07,361 --> 01:02:07,861 All right. 1288 01:02:07,861 --> 01:02:08,361 All in favor. 1289 01:02:08,361 --> 01:02:10,561 Signify by saying i, i. 1290 01:02:10,561 --> 01:02:13,051 Any opposed that's unanimously. 1291 01:02:13,051 --> 01:02:13,741 Okay. 1292 01:02:13,741 --> 01:02:22,501 Thank you You would Did you want to come up and ask your question 1293 01:02:22,501 --> 01:02:30,751 I'm being flexible than I so subject is block 1294 01:02:30,751 --> 01:02:34,478 No When you will be voting on the next oh 1295 01:02:34,478 --> 01:02:36,503 it's on the agenda tonight. 1296 01:02:36,503 --> 01:02:37,621 OK Yeah. 1297 01:02:37,621 --> 01:02:38,761 Two more items. 1298 01:02:38,761 --> 01:02:39,271 Pardon me. 1299 01:02:39,271 --> 01:02:41,311 One more item in front of the block. 1300 01:02:41,311 --> 01:02:44,762 Oh, so tonight you'll decide whether or not you 1301 01:02:44,762 --> 01:02:47,641 go with flock cameras No other. 1302 01:02:47,641 --> 01:02:49,471 We've got it on the agenda. 1303 01:02:49,471 --> 01:02:53,971 The last time the action was to figure 1304 01:02:53,971 --> 01:02:57,001 out how we can cancel the contract, 1305 01:02:57,001 --> 01:02:58,084 what implications it be. 1306 01:02:58,084 --> 01:02:58,261 Right. 1307 01:02:58,261 --> 01:03:00,061 So we're going to have conversation about that tonight 1308 01:03:00,061 --> 01:03:04,265 The contract was approved and may 1309 01:03:04,265 --> 01:03:06,961 you have to figure out how to cancel them. 1310 01:03:06,961 --> 01:03:10,351 If you're going to cancel them So 1311 01:03:10,351 --> 01:03:13,471 are you able to stay around in my able to stay, 1312 01:03:13,471 --> 01:03:14,971 are you able to say the meeting or the longer 1313 01:03:14,971 --> 01:03:17,191 because we're going to get to that here in just a little bit. 1314 01:03:17,191 --> 01:03:19,361 Oh, okay Yeah, it's on the agenda. 1315 01:03:19,361 --> 01:03:19,861 All right. 1316 01:03:19,861 --> 01:03:21,961 Sorry I mean, no problem. 1317 01:03:21,961 --> 01:03:26,221 No problem All right. 1318 01:03:26,221 --> 01:03:29,341 So move on to nine C and ask to consider approval 1319 01:03:29,341 --> 01:03:31,021 of a resolution awarding the construction 1320 01:03:31,021 --> 01:03:33,721 contract for the Link Avenue Trail Improvement project. 1321 01:03:33,721 --> 01:03:35,498 So taking that off Yeah. 1322 01:03:35,498 --> 01:03:37,141 Good evening, Mayor and Council. 1323 01:03:37,141 --> 01:03:38,839 As you mentioned, there's a resolution tonight 1324 01:03:38,839 --> 01:03:40,561 to worthy the low bid for the link 1325 01:03:40,561 --> 01:03:42,961 avenue phase two trail project. 1326 01:03:42,961 --> 01:03:45,271 So the project is located along link Avenue. 1327 01:03:45,271 --> 01:03:47,821 So North of our North Branch marketplace 1328 01:03:47,821 --> 01:03:50,697 are north like Jerry's foods over here. 1329 01:03:50,697 --> 01:03:52,575 So like, we're if you are heading up Flink Avenue, 1330 01:03:52,575 --> 01:03:54,631 would be on the west side of the roadway. 1331 01:03:54,631 --> 01:03:56,221 There's an existing sidewalk network 1332 01:03:56,221 --> 01:03:58,831 that's along the terminates currently on that. 1333 01:03:58,831 --> 01:04:01,252 Were that access point on to Flink Avenue is. 1334 01:04:01,252 --> 01:04:03,511 And then there's an existing gap from 1335 01:04:03,511 --> 01:04:06,031 there up to three 92nd Street. 1336 01:04:06,031 --> 01:04:08,611 And so the project would consist of a ten foot bituminous 1337 01:04:08,611 --> 01:04:11,851 trail to be constructed on that on that west side 1338 01:04:11,851 --> 01:04:15,131 crossing the river No major, major trail connection. 1339 01:04:15,131 --> 01:04:18,135 You'll connect businesses, neighborhoods, parks and trails 1340 01:04:18,135 --> 01:04:20,487 and it would really connect everybody to the entire, that 1341 01:04:20,487 --> 01:04:22,981 would connect to the entire parks, trails system 1342 01:04:22,981 --> 01:04:24,451 that, you know, throughout the entire city. 1343 01:04:24,451 --> 01:04:26,941 So you get two schools, you know, 1344 01:04:26,941 --> 01:04:30,331 library wherever you're looking to go from that that trail 1345 01:04:30,331 --> 01:04:34,188 connection So this, as we talked about a little bit earlier, 1346 01:04:34,188 --> 01:04:36,561 this project's been in the works for a several years 1347 01:04:36,561 --> 01:04:40,171 that you know the marketplace improvements were done in 2008. 1348 01:04:40,171 --> 01:04:42,361 And then you know, there's been residential developments. 1349 01:04:42,361 --> 01:04:46,171 You know north on Flink Avenue you know, for several years. 1350 01:04:46,171 --> 01:04:49,621 And so with that, with Link Avenue being a narrow roadway 1351 01:04:49,621 --> 01:04:51,144 without with very narrow shoulders 1352 01:04:51,144 --> 01:04:54,211 and higher speeds or 6,000 cars a day, that are there. 1353 01:04:54,211 --> 01:04:57,001 And so it's really a safety issue that's there. 1354 01:04:57,001 --> 01:05:00,211 And so with that Metro North development that that was 1355 01:05:00,211 --> 01:05:02,851 completed in 21, we got a grant from the D, 1356 01:05:02,851 --> 01:05:06,722 an article from the Meadows North, the three 92nd and 23. 1357 01:05:06,722 --> 01:05:09,781 We also applied for a mini after transportation grant 1358 01:05:09,781 --> 01:05:12,361 and we had a lot of support from community members. 1359 01:05:12,361 --> 01:05:16,141 We had a letter of support from residents along that corridor, 1360 01:05:16,141 --> 01:05:21,011 letter support from Gerry Foods from the line, a clinic 1361 01:05:21,011 --> 01:05:22,111 from a lot of the businesses that 1362 01:05:22,111 --> 01:05:24,751 are there in support of this project that 1363 01:05:24,751 --> 01:05:25,891 help support that get in that. 1364 01:05:25,891 --> 01:05:29,911 And so that in 2025 is as heidi had mentioned, 1365 01:05:29,911 --> 01:05:30,871 that we went out for a bid. 1366 01:05:30,871 --> 01:05:33,721 But unfortunately, the projects the bids 1367 01:05:33,721 --> 01:05:37,561 came in higher than our grant availability at that time. 1368 01:05:37,561 --> 01:05:41,281 And so the council determined to explore other alternatives 1369 01:05:41,281 --> 01:05:43,561 and try to find other grant opportunities 1370 01:05:43,561 --> 01:05:46,201 And so we submitted a grant application to the DNR, 1371 01:05:46,201 --> 01:05:50,281 received grant funding for that, and went out for bids this year. 1372 01:05:50,281 --> 01:05:53,884 And back in June, we did the bid opening in July, 1373 01:05:53,884 --> 01:05:56,761 we had nine bidders for the project 1374 01:05:56,761 --> 01:06:02,221 with New Look contracting, being in the orbiter at 1.835 million. 1375 01:06:02,221 --> 01:06:04,201 And so as I kind of laid out earlier, 1376 01:06:04,201 --> 01:06:07,771 so we've got a $575,000 grant from this 1377 01:06:07,771 --> 01:06:10,561 firm and got 250 from the DNR. 1378 01:06:10,561 --> 01:06:14,821 And we've got $177,000 from our fund, 1379 01:06:14,821 --> 01:06:18,601 290 from roll over from Park maintenance funds, 44,000 1380 01:06:18,601 --> 01:06:20,551 from the park dedication fund. 1381 01:06:20,551 --> 01:06:24,241 And then that half a million dollars that we just discussed 1382 01:06:24,241 --> 01:06:27,324 from the committed funds to equal that dollar 1383 01:06:27,324 --> 01:06:29,836 amount And so with that staff. 1384 01:06:29,836 --> 01:06:32,071 I would recommend approval of the resolution 1385 01:06:32,071 --> 01:06:35,416 to move forward with the link Avenue Phase Two trail project. 1386 01:06:35,416 --> 01:06:36,097 All right. 1387 01:06:36,097 --> 01:06:36,597 Mr.. 1388 01:06:36,597 --> 01:06:40,891 Can I have a question that this is where I'm for the project, 1389 01:06:40,891 --> 01:06:45,451 but this is the first time I've seen this be lower 1390 01:06:45,451 --> 01:06:48,331 So I'm saying why the difference in the in the estimates? 1391 01:06:48,331 --> 01:06:50,521 I'm, you know, I'm pretty eager about, you know, 1392 01:06:50,521 --> 01:06:53,899 what i thought you know W she's been really clear on a mark 1393 01:06:53,899 --> 01:06:54,821 except for this one. 1394 01:06:54,821 --> 01:06:55,321 Yeah. 1395 01:06:55,321 --> 01:06:57,511 One of the, one of the large components of this trail project 1396 01:06:57,511 --> 01:06:58,951 is the, the crossing the river. 1397 01:06:58,951 --> 01:07:01,141 It requires a sheet piling wall and that 1398 01:07:01,141 --> 01:07:03,611 in the cost of that is really what you know from an estimate 1399 01:07:03,611 --> 01:07:04,111 was set. 1400 01:07:04,111 --> 01:07:07,346 And then when, when the got bid and so that's really what's 1401 01:07:07,346 --> 01:07:08,803 driving a lot of the cost. 1402 01:07:08,803 --> 01:07:11,431 I mean, but it's that's really piling wall is long term 1403 01:07:11,431 --> 01:07:13,981 maintenance that's the best solution by far for us 1404 01:07:13,981 --> 01:07:15,571 for long term for that facility. 1405 01:07:15,571 --> 01:07:16,321 So OK. 1406 01:07:16,321 --> 01:07:16,821 Thanks. 1407 01:07:16,821 --> 01:07:19,711 Thanks, Nate, for the curfew And it wasn't that an issue 1408 01:07:19,711 --> 01:07:23,884 over by river walk far to you had to reinforce those pylons, 1409 01:07:23,884 --> 01:07:24,442 correct. 1410 01:07:24,442 --> 01:07:37,381 OK This issue is going to come up and yeah this question would 1411 01:07:37,381 --> 01:07:44,491 be in regard to where does it go after having traveled 1412 01:07:44,491 --> 01:07:50,791 over the river, it winds around and goes all the way to 95, 1413 01:07:50,791 --> 01:07:54,661 correct Yeah, I forgive me, I can't hear you ask the question. 1414 01:07:54,661 --> 01:07:55,698 Peter, that I was going to ask. 1415 01:07:55,698 --> 01:07:57,931 I wasn't quite sure how it connected. 1416 01:07:57,931 --> 01:07:59,206 Well, he answered the river. 1417 01:07:59,206 --> 01:07:59,706 One. 1418 01:07:59,706 --> 01:08:00,537 That was my first. 1419 01:08:00,537 --> 01:08:04,411 But yeah, so if you look at so the existing trail segment would 1420 01:08:04,411 --> 01:08:06,151 be from three 92nd Street here. 1421 01:08:06,151 --> 01:08:08,701 So there was a there was a trail that was this constructed 1422 01:08:08,701 --> 01:08:10,141 with the Sunrise Bluff development 1423 01:08:10,141 --> 01:08:12,871 that connect all those residents to this trail segment. 1424 01:08:12,871 --> 01:08:14,311 This is the gap. 1425 01:08:14,311 --> 01:08:16,231 This is where, again, there's wetland 1426 01:08:16,231 --> 01:08:17,581 and there, it gets to be really narrow. 1427 01:08:17,581 --> 01:08:20,821 And that's where that that she filing is required. 1428 01:08:20,821 --> 01:08:23,551 And then as you get to the two here, 1429 01:08:23,551 --> 01:08:25,681 there's an existing sidewalk network 1430 01:08:25,681 --> 01:08:29,071 that's currently in place that was constructed with 2008. 1431 01:08:29,071 --> 01:08:32,168 We did the we did some pavement improvement projects. 1432 01:08:32,168 --> 01:08:34,724 I think that was maybe Two years ago. 1433 01:08:34,724 --> 01:08:37,771 We relocated the crosswalk from the the east side of the 1434 01:08:37,771 --> 01:08:39,126 intersection to the west side. 1435 01:08:39,126 --> 01:08:40,455 Just with that curve means you're 1436 01:08:40,455 --> 01:08:42,571 heading to the south Other things 1437 01:08:42,571 --> 01:08:45,211 that the city has taken into, like they've reduced 1438 01:08:45,211 --> 01:08:48,601 the speed on Flink Avenue also to help with pedestrian safety 1439 01:08:48,601 --> 01:08:52,381 to for having a safer crossing But as that sidewalk 1440 01:08:52,381 --> 01:08:54,151 continues to the south, it goes all the way 1441 01:08:54,151 --> 01:08:58,651 down to to Highway 95 here. 1442 01:08:58,651 --> 01:09:00,721 And there's a continuous sidewalk network that 1443 01:09:00,721 --> 01:09:03,721 goes all the way you know, to, you know, 1444 01:09:03,721 --> 01:09:05,581 our entire trail network and all honestly So you 1445 01:09:05,581 --> 01:09:08,491 get over to the sunrise, to the sunrise, 1446 01:09:08,491 --> 01:09:11,581 very trail I think you've answered my question. 1447 01:09:11,581 --> 01:09:14,591 I just my concern was that folks are going to come down 1448 01:09:14,591 --> 01:09:18,421 that trail hit the turn after the creek or the river, 1449 01:09:18,421 --> 01:09:20,311 and they're going to want to cross. 1450 01:09:20,311 --> 01:09:22,891 But you got a crossing their cars drive 1451 01:09:22,891 --> 01:09:24,529 really fast around that curve. 1452 01:09:24,529 --> 01:09:25,852 So I don't know if it. 1453 01:09:25,852 --> 01:09:27,364 I need some kind of a flashing amber 1454 01:09:27,364 --> 01:09:29,011 or something going on there. 1455 01:09:29,011 --> 01:09:29,551 I don't know. 1456 01:09:29,551 --> 01:09:32,381 But it's kind of a dangerous area. 1457 01:09:32,381 --> 01:09:32,881 Yeah. 1458 01:09:32,881 --> 01:09:34,301 And the districts Yeah. 1459 01:09:34,301 --> 01:09:34,801 Thanks, Peter. 1460 01:09:34,801 --> 01:09:39,421 And so part of the project we do include advance warning 1461 01:09:39,421 --> 01:09:41,251 So we are going to have a rapid flashing beacon 1462 01:09:41,251 --> 01:09:43,081 at that intersection and we're going to have advance 1463 01:09:43,081 --> 01:09:44,971 warning signs are permanent. 1464 01:09:44,971 --> 01:09:58,431 You know, within like i give you halloween is coming. 1465 01:09:58,431 --> 01:10:11,620 They all sit down So I'm not sure what's on question Eight, 1466 01:10:11,620 --> 01:10:15,331 which granted expires next year So it's the men 1467 01:10:15,331 --> 01:10:17,281 dot is the $575,000 grant. 1468 01:10:17,281 --> 01:10:18,215 That's the big one. 1469 01:10:18,215 --> 01:10:19,583 We lose if we don't approve this. 1470 01:10:19,583 --> 01:10:20,083 Correct. 1471 01:10:20,083 --> 01:10:22,177 And yeah, and there's other implications 1472 01:10:22,177 --> 01:10:24,031 If you're not willing for the grant awards, 1473 01:10:24,031 --> 01:10:26,911 it makes it harder for us for receiving funding in the future 1474 01:10:26,911 --> 01:10:33,972 as well Okay I right know the questions for an eight 1475 01:10:33,972 --> 01:10:35,521 you know that's one. 1476 01:10:35,521 --> 01:10:37,801 No, no All right. 1477 01:10:37,801 --> 01:10:42,451 So this one has to consider awarding. 1478 01:10:42,451 --> 01:10:45,761 All right Yes. 1479 01:10:45,761 --> 01:10:46,261 Right. 1480 01:10:46,261 --> 01:10:47,941 We're on 35 dash. 1481 01:10:47,941 --> 01:10:50,011 So the resolution Yeah. 1482 01:10:50,011 --> 01:10:51,691 So do we have a motion to approve? 1483 01:10:51,691 --> 01:10:54,951 A motion to approve resolution 355-2026. 1484 01:10:54,951 --> 01:10:58,291 Work in the construction contract for this link. 1485 01:10:58,291 --> 01:11:03,489 Avenue Trail Improvement project to new Look contract 1486 01:11:03,489 --> 01:11:05,971 a second, A first and second question 1487 01:11:05,971 --> 01:11:08,581 before we go All in favor signify 1488 01:11:08,581 --> 01:11:14,101 by saying I. I any opposed unanimously Thank you. 1489 01:11:14,101 --> 01:11:15,460 All right Thank you. 1490 01:11:15,460 --> 01:11:18,631 Move on to 90 and that is to consider approval of proposal 1491 01:11:18,631 --> 01:11:22,339 to prepare a local road improvement program application 1492 01:11:22,339 --> 01:11:24,361 for improvement of the intersection 400 Street 1493 01:11:24,361 --> 01:11:26,851 and Flank Avenue Mr. Hill. 1494 01:11:26,851 --> 01:11:32,311 Thank you, Mayor Cities identified that a local road 1495 01:11:32,311 --> 01:11:35,431 improvement program i'm a grant application 1496 01:11:35,431 --> 01:11:37,195 will be opening on September 1. 1497 01:11:37,195 --> 01:11:40,111 It will close on November 25th. 1498 01:11:40,111 --> 01:11:42,961 This is a very important funding opportunity for local roads, 1499 01:11:42,961 --> 01:11:46,801 for construction reconstruction and reconditioning projects. 1500 01:11:46,801 --> 01:11:51,901 Funding is available for routes of regionally regional 1501 01:11:51,901 --> 01:11:54,271 significance, which is a category three, 1502 01:11:54,271 --> 01:11:58,231 in which the intersection of 400th and Flink qualifies 1503 01:11:58,231 --> 01:12:04,231 for Mindat has also indicated that $50 million will be awarded 1504 01:12:04,231 --> 01:12:07,501 as part of this program in this in this funding cycle 1505 01:12:07,501 --> 01:12:11,881 in Minnesota the city has identified 400 and Flink, 1506 01:12:11,881 --> 01:12:15,001 the intersection improvements as a priority for the future 1507 01:12:15,001 --> 01:12:17,341 development of the land in the northwest corner 1508 01:12:17,341 --> 01:12:21,871 of our community as well as the future connection of the 400th 1509 01:12:21,871 --> 01:12:27,721 and Interstate I-35 interchange Transportation impact study was 1510 01:12:27,721 --> 01:12:29,971 completed in September of 2025, which 1511 01:12:29,971 --> 01:12:32,521 resulted in a preliminary layout for a roundabout 1512 01:12:32,521 --> 01:12:33,931 at this location. 1513 01:12:33,931 --> 01:12:35,341 The total cost for that roundabout 1514 01:12:35,341 --> 01:12:38,701 was estimated to be about $1.8 million. 1515 01:12:38,701 --> 01:12:41,311 Local road improvement program funds may 1516 01:12:41,311 --> 01:12:42,991 only be used for construction. 1517 01:12:42,991 --> 01:12:45,571 They can't be used for engineering 1518 01:12:45,571 --> 01:12:49,861 right of way acquisition action or construction administration. 1519 01:12:49,861 --> 01:12:52,471 So all of this all of the grant funding 1520 01:12:52,471 --> 01:12:54,751 would be going directly towards construction 1521 01:12:54,751 --> 01:12:59,311 of the transportation impact study 1522 01:12:59,311 --> 01:13:02,311 was developed in partnership with LGI Homes 1523 01:13:02,311 --> 01:13:04,561 as part of the conditions of the Meadows 1524 01:13:04,561 --> 01:13:06,623 Ridge Housing Development. 1525 01:13:06,623 --> 01:13:10,441 This partnership outlines the scope of transportation 1526 01:13:10,441 --> 01:13:14,881 improve ments ensures a FAIR methodology for cost allocation 1527 01:13:14,881 --> 01:13:18,061 amongst the partners and aligns the local investments 1528 01:13:18,061 --> 01:13:21,816 with the regional goals, like the future of the I-35 400. 1529 01:13:21,816 --> 01:13:25,441 At the interchange WSP has prepared 1530 01:13:25,441 --> 01:13:27,961 a proposal to complete a grant application 1531 01:13:27,961 --> 01:13:29,611 on behalf of the city. 1532 01:13:29,611 --> 01:13:33,121 The cost for this work is $12,963. 1533 01:13:33,121 --> 01:13:36,585 The full copy of the full scope of the services 1534 01:13:36,585 --> 01:13:41,941 is in your packet Funding is available through the franchise 1535 01:13:41,941 --> 01:13:44,671 fee revenue to be completed for this work. 1536 01:13:44,671 --> 01:13:47,431 The electric and gas utility franchise fees 1537 01:13:47,431 --> 01:13:49,171 are dedicated to street improvement 1538 01:13:49,171 --> 01:13:51,391 projects such as this. 1539 01:13:51,391 --> 01:13:57,451 The grant awards are expected to be announced in march of 2027. 1540 01:13:57,451 --> 01:14:02,101 We do have a representative of WSP here to answer 1541 01:14:02,101 --> 01:14:04,291 any questions, but staff does request council 1542 01:14:04,291 --> 01:14:07,531 to consider approval of the contract with WSP 1543 01:14:07,531 --> 01:14:08,641 to allow the preparation. 1544 01:14:08,641 --> 01:14:11,671 It's the middle of the application for the local road 1545 01:14:11,671 --> 01:14:16,291 improvement program funding Mr. Hill So $1.8 million 1546 01:14:16,291 --> 01:14:17,461 is the estimate. 1547 01:14:17,461 --> 01:14:22,261 Our total So minus the grand And then plus the one developer 1548 01:14:22,261 --> 01:14:24,302 is contributing some percentage, correct? 1549 01:14:24,302 --> 01:14:26,071 So that's not all going to be on the city? 1550 01:14:26,071 --> 01:14:28,441 That's correct If Grant were to receive, 1551 01:14:28,441 --> 01:14:31,161 it would reduce everybody's allocation of the partnerships 1552 01:14:31,161 --> 01:14:32,971 in the group Okay. 1553 01:14:32,971 --> 01:14:36,256 And then was there a percentage with the developer? 1554 01:14:36,256 --> 01:14:40,231 I don't remember if it was a dollar amount or a percentage. 1555 01:14:40,231 --> 01:14:41,461 Oh, mayor and council. 1556 01:14:41,461 --> 01:14:43,231 So the transportation study has a breakdown. 1557 01:14:43,231 --> 01:14:45,061 And so it really looks at all of the land that's 1558 01:14:45,061 --> 01:14:47,131 within that northwest quadrant of the community 1559 01:14:47,131 --> 01:14:49,471 And so as each piece of that land would develop, 1560 01:14:49,471 --> 01:14:53,851 it's going to be based off of the estimated traffic counts, 1561 01:14:53,851 --> 01:14:56,881 based off of the number of units for each one of those sectors 1562 01:14:56,881 --> 01:14:59,521 And so there's a formula Long story short, 1563 01:14:59,521 --> 01:15:01,411 there's a formula of what they would pay. 1564 01:15:01,411 --> 01:15:03,781 And as Minister hill mentioned, that it would 1565 01:15:03,781 --> 01:15:05,911 essentially it would reduce everybody, 1566 01:15:05,911 --> 01:15:07,921 including the city's contribution 1567 01:15:07,921 --> 01:15:09,181 to what that would be. 1568 01:15:09,181 --> 01:15:09,871 Okay. 1569 01:15:09,871 --> 01:15:12,151 I just felt it was important to make sure people understood 1570 01:15:12,151 --> 01:15:14,221 that we were co op and with the developer as well, 1571 01:15:14,221 --> 01:15:16,781 and hopefully we'll get a sizable grant on this too 1572 01:15:16,781 --> 01:15:18,506 and that the developer has already 1573 01:15:18,506 --> 01:15:22,483 paid a portion towards this already with that First phase 1574 01:15:22,483 --> 01:15:23,287 of their development. 1575 01:15:23,287 --> 01:15:25,931 They have a better that's. 1576 01:15:25,931 --> 01:15:26,431 All right. 1577 01:15:26,431 --> 01:15:29,791 Questions for Nate on this one seems pretty straightforward, 1578 01:15:29,791 --> 01:15:34,201 but it this would be kind of a help to help me remember. 1579 01:15:34,201 --> 01:15:36,811 Here's because we also talked about the one 1580 01:15:36,811 --> 01:15:38,191 that we're partner with the county 1581 01:15:38,191 --> 01:15:41,791 and over on that Hemenway that is proposed 1582 01:15:41,791 --> 01:15:43,593 for is that Two years from now. 1583 01:15:43,593 --> 01:15:46,411 And did we approve the funding or was the funding for that? 1584 01:15:46,411 --> 01:15:49,741 Or why does this roundabout take priority 1585 01:15:49,741 --> 01:15:54,211 over the one on the east side there to an L rep? 1586 01:15:54,211 --> 01:15:57,135 Has already been applied for and applied to that project? 1587 01:15:57,135 --> 01:15:59,101 Has the county did that one? 1588 01:15:59,101 --> 01:16:01,261 We're a 5050 partner with the county on that one. 1589 01:16:01,261 --> 01:16:04,771 So I don't know the numbers of that one at this time, 1590 01:16:04,771 --> 01:16:08,231 but their take on the county is leading that project. 1591 01:16:08,231 --> 01:16:08,731 Awesome. 1592 01:16:08,731 --> 01:16:09,631 Thank you so much. 1593 01:16:09,631 --> 01:16:12,001 Thank you. 1594 01:16:12,001 --> 01:16:14,311 All right If there's no other questions, 1595 01:16:14,311 --> 01:16:16,621 then, so you're looking for a motion 1596 01:16:16,621 --> 01:16:22,831 to approve the fees from WSP to submit this application 1597 01:16:22,831 --> 01:16:24,031 for the grant, correct? 1598 01:16:24,031 --> 01:16:26,101 That's correct Mayor. 1599 01:16:26,101 --> 01:16:28,552 I'll make the motion to approve the engineering services 1600 01:16:28,552 --> 01:16:32,911 contract with W c b to allow the preparation and submittal 1601 01:16:32,911 --> 01:16:37,411 of application for lRP funding The second, Mr. 1602 01:16:37,411 --> 01:16:41,581 Mayor and then just to clarify, that's not to exceed $12,963, 1603 01:16:41,581 --> 01:16:42,527 correct ? 1604 01:16:42,527 --> 01:16:43,594 This is laid out in front of us. 1605 01:16:43,594 --> 01:16:46,651 OK And a question before we vote. 1606 01:16:46,651 --> 01:16:50,611 All in favor signify by saying i, i any opposed 1607 01:16:50,611 --> 01:16:54,211 that's unanimously All right. 1608 01:16:54,211 --> 01:16:58,051 Now, we'll get to 90 and that is to consider future direction 1609 01:16:58,051 --> 01:16:59,371 for the Leaf vacuum program. 1610 01:16:59,371 --> 01:17:00,991 So I assume our public works director 1611 01:17:00,991 --> 01:17:03,361 Matt is going to lead this one. 1612 01:17:03,361 --> 01:17:06,557 Good evening, Mayor and council members So to give background, 1613 01:17:06,557 --> 01:17:08,671 the purpose of this report is to provide the City Council 1614 01:17:08,671 --> 01:17:10,261 with a comprehensive program usage 1615 01:17:10,261 --> 01:17:13,891 data, financial obligations and regulatory information. 1616 01:17:13,891 --> 01:17:16,862 This information is intended to facilitate a formal discussion 1617 01:17:16,862 --> 01:17:19,591 receive specific direction from the Council regarding the future 1618 01:17:19,591 --> 01:17:22,171 of the leaf vacuum service. 1619 01:17:22,171 --> 01:17:25,051 Some current usage data participation this spring 1620 01:17:25,051 --> 01:17:29,071 was utilized by 681 parcels. 1621 01:17:29,071 --> 01:17:32,131 Total sculptor approximately 4900 residential parcels 1622 01:17:32,131 --> 01:17:36,181 within the city to participate and rate with that 1623 01:17:36,181 --> 01:17:41,071 is approximately about 14% of residents 1624 01:17:41,071 --> 01:17:44,017 use the spring service operational schedule 1625 01:17:44,017 --> 01:17:47,431 and metrics The program operates on a seasonal basis 1626 01:17:47,431 --> 01:17:48,991 with the following staffing and equipment 1627 01:17:48,991 --> 01:17:51,841 allocations Spring operations. 1628 01:17:51,841 --> 01:17:54,871 It's a four week iteration utilizing one truck 1629 01:17:54,871 --> 01:17:57,031 and one public works staff. 1630 01:17:57,031 --> 01:18:01,291 Fall operations is also a four week iteration we use to two 1631 01:18:01,291 --> 01:18:07,111 public work vehicles and two public works staff during that 1632 01:18:07,111 --> 01:18:09,511 we approximate drive 3,000 miles of driving driven 1633 01:18:09,511 --> 01:18:10,801 annually during the program. 1634 01:18:10,801 --> 01:18:13,651 The program requires 450 total staff hours 1635 01:18:13,651 --> 01:18:18,721 per calendar year maintenance demands exceed 40 hours 1636 01:18:18,721 --> 01:18:21,511 maintenance per year. 1637 01:18:21,511 --> 01:18:25,171 The expense expense side of this is an annual 1638 01:18:25,171 --> 01:18:29,371 program cost of about $62,000. 1639 01:18:29,371 --> 01:18:32,611 At previous council meetings and public works advisory meetings. 1640 01:18:32,611 --> 01:18:33,391 You guys were. 1641 01:18:33,391 --> 01:18:36,451 I was asked to look at there's any local garbage 1642 01:18:36,451 --> 01:18:39,541 haulers that will provide compost bins 1643 01:18:39,541 --> 01:18:42,496 to residents of the seventh. 1644 01:18:42,496 --> 01:18:45,421 I reached out to None of them will offer the compost bin 1645 01:18:45,421 --> 01:18:50,521 to residents was also asked to look at different options 1646 01:18:50,521 --> 01:18:54,451 to extend hours at the compost So I reached out to two 1647 01:18:54,451 --> 01:18:58,501 different fence gate companies where we if we install 1648 01:18:58,501 --> 01:19:03,391 the gates, they range from $28,000 to almost $30,000 1649 01:19:03,391 --> 01:19:06,901 to install a gate that the residents can use and register 1650 01:19:06,901 --> 01:19:10,321 at city Hall to receive an access code to gain access 1651 01:19:10,321 --> 01:19:16,981 to the compost site And for tonight we're asking 1652 01:19:16,981 --> 01:19:20,041 for direction on what direction Council 1653 01:19:20,041 --> 01:19:21,631 wants to go with this option. 1654 01:19:21,631 --> 01:19:23,701 One Maintain status quo, continue 1655 01:19:23,701 --> 01:19:26,791 the current leaf vacuum service free of charge for residents. 1656 01:19:26,791 --> 01:19:29,870 Option to implement a user fee, which is collect all data 1657 01:19:29,870 --> 01:19:32,311 and implement a pay to play model with an estimated 1658 01:19:32,311 --> 01:19:35,941 fee of $150 per resident to offset Operation and capital 1659 01:19:35,941 --> 01:19:40,201 costs and the last option is to discontinue service which 1660 01:19:40,201 --> 01:19:42,211 is eliminate the curbside leaf vacuum 1661 01:19:42,211 --> 01:19:46,141 program entirely Question those are the three 1662 01:19:46,141 --> 01:19:47,251 options we can always add. 1663 01:19:47,251 --> 01:19:47,881 A fourth. 1664 01:19:47,881 --> 01:19:49,051 Yup Yep. 1665 01:19:49,051 --> 01:19:55,892 Or for you know, please come up to the microphone 1666 01:19:55,892 --> 01:20:00,031 Yeah You just said your first option is free of charge 1667 01:20:00,031 --> 01:20:04,051 but we went over previously that the first option is included 1668 01:20:04,051 --> 01:20:08,881 in that $75 that we all pay every year You just said 1669 01:20:08,881 --> 01:20:12,691 the option one to continue the service free of charge 1670 01:20:12,691 --> 01:20:13,651 is what you decided. 1671 01:20:13,651 --> 01:20:16,951 That was option one, but not for you, 1672 01:20:16,951 --> 01:20:20,492 because it's in that handout contract on the website. 1673 01:20:20,492 --> 01:20:23,000 It's not actually what that money is for. 1674 01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:23,606 OK. 1675 01:20:23,606 --> 01:20:27,061 So then maybe we need clarification, correct? 1676 01:20:27,061 --> 01:20:27,601 That's right. 1677 01:20:27,601 --> 01:20:28,951 That was discussed earlier Correct. 1678 01:20:28,951 --> 01:20:29,911 That fix that? 1679 01:20:29,911 --> 01:20:31,948 Yeah we're going to have to make that clarification. 1680 01:20:31,948 --> 01:20:42,091 Staff's going to have to get on that Thank you, sir My name 1681 01:20:42,091 --> 01:20:45,037 is Tim Moore and I live in town, Bridge Street. 1682 01:20:45,037 --> 01:20:48,474 And the leave thing, I know you status quo is the best. 1683 01:20:48,474 --> 01:20:49,207 I got a lot of leaves. 1684 01:20:49,207 --> 01:20:53,060 I wrote everyone of you guys, I think I spoke quite a while ago. 1685 01:20:53,060 --> 01:20:55,831 And I was here, but i've got a picture here. 1686 01:20:55,831 --> 01:20:59,491 But I'm You mentioned the Lugger thing, 1687 01:20:59,491 --> 01:21:02,491 you know, and we're talking like a big garbage can, 1688 01:21:02,491 --> 01:21:04,051 you know, And my son's got that. 1689 01:21:04,051 --> 01:21:05,071 It was in Oakdale. 1690 01:21:05,071 --> 01:21:05,761 And that's fine. 1691 01:21:05,761 --> 01:21:07,471 If you get a twig or a branch. 1692 01:21:07,471 --> 01:21:11,761 But I got enough leaves to fill up a semi grain truck 1693 01:21:11,761 --> 01:21:15,631 and a lugger a week would take me a couple 1694 01:21:15,631 --> 01:21:18,871 of years to get of one. 1695 01:21:18,871 --> 01:21:20,871 So ixnay nay that, in my opinion. 1696 01:21:20,871 --> 01:21:24,871 I mean, I've got a picture of one week's worth of leaves. 1697 01:21:24,871 --> 01:21:27,033 It's a lot which I choose to live in. 1698 01:21:27,033 --> 01:21:29,101 What branch The trees. 1699 01:21:29,101 --> 01:21:30,211 It's a beautiful place. 1700 01:21:30,211 --> 01:21:31,711 I've got a lot of trees. 1701 01:21:31,711 --> 01:21:35,250 Big oak trees are beautiful and I'm fortunate. 1702 01:21:35,250 --> 01:21:36,601 I live by the river. 1703 01:21:36,601 --> 01:21:39,541 The north branch of the Sunrise River 1704 01:21:39,541 --> 01:21:44,431 and everybody downstream from me, their property goes down, 1705 01:21:44,431 --> 01:21:44,941 mine does. 1706 01:21:44,941 --> 01:21:46,021 And i'm right on the edge of it. 1707 01:21:46,021 --> 01:21:46,561 But I see it. 1708 01:21:46,561 --> 01:21:47,641 It's a beautiful river. 1709 01:21:47,641 --> 01:21:50,123 It's open in the winter time It's clear. 1710 01:21:50,123 --> 01:21:52,206 I'm afraid they're going to rake their leaves 1711 01:21:52,206 --> 01:21:55,126 into that river if they don't pick them up on a street 1712 01:21:55,126 --> 01:21:57,001 And that's a concern. 1713 01:21:57,001 --> 01:22:01,253 So I sure hope you guys can keep that that service going, 1714 01:22:01,253 --> 01:22:03,397 because it means a lot to me. 1715 01:22:03,397 --> 01:22:05,096 And a lot of other people. 1716 01:22:05,096 --> 01:22:05,768 So thanks. 1717 01:22:05,768 --> 01:22:08,621 OK Thank you. 1718 01:22:08,621 --> 01:22:09,121 All right. 1719 01:22:09,121 --> 01:22:10,501 Public comment part two. 1720 01:22:10,501 --> 01:22:17,341 Keep it going I just have a comment about you 1721 01:22:17,341 --> 01:22:19,681 talked about there's only 13 to 14% 1722 01:22:19,681 --> 01:22:22,681 of people that use this spring pick up. 1723 01:22:22,681 --> 01:22:23,311 Correct. 1724 01:22:23,311 --> 01:22:26,232 What's the percentage of the fall We have not done that. 1725 01:22:26,232 --> 01:22:26,732 Yeah. 1726 01:22:26,732 --> 01:22:28,351 Yeah, that's part of the discussion. 1727 01:22:28,351 --> 01:22:30,066 Yeah that's why that's okay. 1728 01:22:30,066 --> 01:22:31,811 So and this was like. 1729 01:22:31,811 --> 01:22:35,030 No, I am guessing it's a much higher percentage 1730 01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:38,612 We're within the same you know, we've talked about the fee 1731 01:22:38,612 --> 01:22:40,321 and everything, bye. 1732 01:22:40,321 --> 01:22:44,401 Live in an area where I have no street maintenance whatsoever. 1733 01:22:44,401 --> 01:22:48,511 I have a well so the tree leaf pick 1734 01:22:48,511 --> 01:22:51,977 up is primarily what I thought. 1735 01:22:51,977 --> 01:22:54,683 Even though now that it's a typo. 1736 01:22:54,683 --> 01:22:58,051 But then why am I paying that fee? 1737 01:22:58,051 --> 01:23:00,751 I don't want it paid. 1738 01:23:00,751 --> 01:23:03,421 So that'll take away And there are many people 1739 01:23:03,421 --> 01:23:07,231 in the area that I live in that are not going to pay that fee 1740 01:23:07,231 --> 01:23:11,408 or will argue about paying them to since it was clarified 1741 01:23:11,408 --> 01:23:14,671 on the city website that that's what it included And when we 1742 01:23:14,671 --> 01:23:18,421 call and ask why we're paying this, 1743 01:23:18,421 --> 01:23:21,916 we were told that was part of the fee 1744 01:23:21,916 --> 01:23:26,881 So we will get to that conversation Part of it tonight, 1745 01:23:26,881 --> 01:23:28,056 the storm sewer fee. 1746 01:23:28,056 --> 01:23:29,588 We'll get that to another time because we 1747 01:23:29,588 --> 01:23:31,801 have a report covenant study. 1748 01:23:31,801 --> 01:23:33,511 So we'll get a lot deeper into that. 1749 01:23:33,511 --> 01:23:34,303 At that point. 1750 01:23:34,303 --> 01:23:34,855 OK. 1751 01:23:34,855 --> 01:23:35,407 Sorry. 1752 01:23:35,407 --> 01:23:41,131 Thank you, Rob All right. 1753 01:23:41,131 --> 01:23:49,621 One more So we've talked I have a consulting company. 1754 01:23:49,621 --> 01:23:50,401 That's what I do. 1755 01:23:50,401 --> 01:23:54,061 I help with problems like this, right. 1756 01:23:54,061 --> 01:23:55,286 And I already discussed. 1757 01:23:55,286 --> 01:23:58,441 I have an insane yard with tons of leaves 1758 01:23:58,441 --> 01:24:01,531 I will say with what you found with the spring, 1759 01:24:01,531 --> 01:24:03,481 I won't agree with that. 1760 01:24:03,481 --> 01:24:05,401 Might not be the popular thing to say right now. 1761 01:24:05,401 --> 01:24:10,726 But if it was two weeks in the spring instead four, 1762 01:24:10,726 --> 01:24:15,511 that would save 25% of your weeks, right? 1763 01:24:15,511 --> 01:24:18,511 Bring it from 8 to 6. 1764 01:24:18,511 --> 01:24:21,301 I personally even with that insane yard of mine 1765 01:24:21,301 --> 01:24:23,941 wouldn't need more than two weeks in the spring. 1766 01:24:23,941 --> 01:24:26,581 I don't use this just to clarify, though. 1767 01:24:26,581 --> 01:24:27,391 Total weeks. 1768 01:24:27,391 --> 01:24:29,314 We have two trucks in the fall. 1769 01:24:29,314 --> 01:24:29,814 OK. 1770 01:24:29,814 --> 01:24:31,458 So the total of 12 weeks. 1771 01:24:31,458 --> 01:24:34,688 And we take away two seats still be short run ten weeks. 1772 01:24:34,688 --> 01:24:35,247 OK. 1773 01:24:35,247 --> 01:24:35,911 Okay. 1774 01:24:35,911 --> 01:24:38,221 And I believe those two winters ago, 1775 01:24:38,221 --> 01:24:41,783 we actually extend it, extended it away first, 1776 01:24:41,783 --> 01:24:44,581 the last two years, we've extended a week each time, 1777 01:24:44,581 --> 01:24:46,381 you know, with you shorten that time 1778 01:24:46,381 --> 01:24:50,674 frame them are really throwing a dart at a very small ball. 1779 01:24:50,674 --> 01:24:51,773 We're started too early. 1780 01:24:51,773 --> 01:24:52,531 Yeah. 1781 01:24:52,531 --> 01:24:56,383 So while Mother Nature kind of plays a part in that. 1782 01:24:56,383 --> 01:24:57,901 So yeah Thank you. 1783 01:24:57,901 --> 01:25:00,331 All right, Mary, can I got something else 1784 01:25:00,331 --> 01:25:04,471 to just this might I would ask Sharon or Matthew to have this 1785 01:25:04,471 --> 01:25:07,051 for the budget discussion or when there's more follow 1786 01:25:07,051 --> 01:25:10,741 up on the stormwater fees. 1787 01:25:10,741 --> 01:25:14,041 My recollection is that actually changes about 2020, 1788 01:25:14,041 --> 01:25:16,801 where it was that actually got paid with your taxes 1789 01:25:16,801 --> 01:25:17,911 to the county. 1790 01:25:17,911 --> 01:25:20,073 And then the state said you could no longer do that. 1791 01:25:20,073 --> 01:25:21,691 And I came back to the city. 1792 01:25:21,691 --> 01:25:23,761 So maybe some historical context there too, 1793 01:25:23,761 --> 01:25:26,861 because I think that's One of the mis conceptions 1794 01:25:26,861 --> 01:25:28,861 is that it all sudden was a new fee. 1795 01:25:28,861 --> 01:25:32,041 But it was a fee that we had been paying for years. 1796 01:25:32,041 --> 01:25:33,211 You thought you didn't see it. 1797 01:25:33,211 --> 01:25:36,271 It necessarily because it was on your taxes 1798 01:25:36,271 --> 01:25:39,601 So I don't you can verify that or give some 1799 01:25:39,601 --> 01:25:41,911 of that historical context, that budget 1800 01:25:41,911 --> 01:25:45,751 time or the next conversation on it Well, maybe 1801 01:25:45,751 --> 01:25:48,031 we should wait until we actually get to that. 1802 01:25:48,031 --> 01:25:49,091 The storm stormwater. 1803 01:25:49,091 --> 01:25:49,591 Yeah. 1804 01:25:49,591 --> 01:25:51,301 And the water rate study Yeah. 1805 01:25:51,301 --> 01:25:53,191 That's whenever it's appropriate. 1806 01:25:53,191 --> 01:25:55,951 Just again, walking through that process. 1807 01:25:55,951 --> 01:25:57,392 All right, let's get to our talking points. 1808 01:25:57,392 --> 01:26:00,478 I think we're going to relieve a lot of people here. 1809 01:26:00,478 --> 01:26:03,061 So yeah, so comments questions. 1810 01:26:03,061 --> 01:26:03,871 So yes. 1811 01:26:03,871 --> 01:26:06,841 So we've been part of the public works, 1812 01:26:06,841 --> 01:26:11,101 you know advisory committee and we chatted about this one 1813 01:26:11,101 --> 01:26:13,561 quite a bit. 1814 01:26:13,561 --> 01:26:15,991 You know, it is disappointing to hear that our website is 1815 01:26:15,991 --> 01:26:20,701 incorrect or possibly incorrect that we'll get addressed 1816 01:26:20,701 --> 01:26:23,613 and the leave pick up, because at that has not been brought up 1817 01:26:23,613 --> 01:26:25,711 and our advisory committees. 1818 01:26:25,711 --> 01:26:29,341 So thank you to both of you for bringing 1819 01:26:29,341 --> 01:26:34,861 that up And we don't have the data for the fall, you know, 1820 01:26:34,861 --> 01:26:35,881 the fall pick up. 1821 01:26:35,881 --> 01:26:36,661 Yeah, I do either. 1822 01:26:36,661 --> 01:26:43,351 And yes 13% or 14% is is light for Spring 1823 01:26:43,351 --> 01:26:44,311 Falls a little bit more. 1824 01:26:44,311 --> 01:26:47,584 I'm we're assuming, you know, we did talk about that as well. 1825 01:26:47,584 --> 01:26:51,735 You know the costs i'm sure there wants 1826 01:26:51,735 --> 01:26:53,439 to be other discussions on it. 1827 01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:55,261 But I personally would like to make a motion 1828 01:26:55,261 --> 01:26:59,221 to collect that fall data. 1829 01:26:59,221 --> 01:27:01,771 And I did i did write down because my chicken scratches 1830 01:27:01,771 --> 01:27:07,531 a little bit unreadable sometimes So is to make a motion 1831 01:27:07,531 --> 01:27:12,631 to collect the fall usage data and hold action until 1832 01:27:12,631 --> 01:27:15,631 the November 24th meeting. 1833 01:27:15,631 --> 01:27:18,626 After, you know, data has been collected and reviewed 1834 01:27:18,626 --> 01:27:22,561 And, the best decision you know, going forward you 1835 01:27:22,561 --> 01:27:24,858 know, about the leaf pickup. 1836 01:27:24,858 --> 01:27:27,691 And so 2026, since we have a motion, 1837 01:27:27,691 --> 01:27:28,831 we do have to act on that. 1838 01:27:28,831 --> 01:27:31,892 You know and hopefully there can be discussion. 1839 01:27:31,892 --> 01:27:32,748 OK either. 1840 01:27:32,748 --> 01:27:35,881 So is there a second motion on the striping or i'll 1841 01:27:35,881 --> 01:27:37,411 second that first and second. 1842 01:27:37,411 --> 01:27:38,963 So now open it up for questions. 1843 01:27:38,963 --> 01:27:43,891 Your comments, please I guess my question just would be 1844 01:27:43,891 --> 01:27:50,041 the intent behind having that conversation on the 24th, 1845 01:27:50,041 --> 01:27:53,551 because I mean, to me, and if I miss reading some 1846 01:27:53,551 --> 01:27:55,321 of the conversation, had earlier, like, you know, 1847 01:27:55,321 --> 01:27:58,501 there's direct text implications into 27, there 1848 01:27:58,501 --> 01:28:02,371 potentially and is the 24th. 1849 01:28:02,371 --> 01:28:04,658 You know, we're at now. 1850 01:28:04,658 --> 01:28:09,931 Yeah, we've also seen where we go okay there's money unspent 1851 01:28:09,931 --> 01:28:12,031 and now we can allocate that towards one time 1852 01:28:12,031 --> 01:28:15,511 purchases and stuff like that and extending the if that's kind 1853 01:28:15,511 --> 01:28:16,785 of what your thought process. 1854 01:28:16,785 --> 01:28:21,091 Well, on extending the leaf pickup the last couple of years 1855 01:28:21,091 --> 01:28:22,531 you know maybe they'll start Full inhale 1856 01:28:22,531 --> 01:28:24,211 and next week for all I know. 1857 01:28:24,211 --> 01:28:29,151 But but I don't I don't control that. 1858 01:28:29,151 --> 01:28:32,431 So that was if it needs to be the first 1859 01:28:32,431 --> 01:28:34,427 you know that November 11th. 1860 01:28:34,427 --> 01:28:37,641 I think it's not going to be it's not 1861 01:28:37,641 --> 01:28:38,641 going to matter at that point. 1862 01:28:38,641 --> 01:28:39,151 Yeah. 1863 01:28:39,151 --> 01:28:40,469 Our budgets for next year. 1864 01:28:40,469 --> 01:28:41,071 Yeah. 1865 01:28:41,071 --> 01:28:42,331 For our preliminary. 1866 01:28:42,331 --> 01:28:42,841 Yeah. 1867 01:28:42,841 --> 01:28:44,904 Well final budget, right? 1868 01:28:44,904 --> 01:28:47,176 Yeah So I mean, we can. 1869 01:28:47,176 --> 01:28:48,369 Yeah, we can. 1870 01:28:48,369 --> 01:28:48,869 Yeah. 1871 01:28:48,869 --> 01:28:50,026 Adjust as needed until this. 1872 01:28:50,026 --> 01:28:51,673 And the way I would look at that. 1873 01:28:51,673 --> 01:28:53,101 We just I think going into the budget 1874 01:28:53,101 --> 01:28:55,801 we just have to plan on having that service for next year. 1875 01:28:55,801 --> 01:28:57,961 And then if something changes. 1876 01:28:57,961 --> 01:29:00,121 Yep we make our adjustments afterwards 100%. 1877 01:29:00,121 --> 01:29:04,031 And in our preliminary budget it's still in correct? 1878 01:29:04,031 --> 01:29:04,531 Yes. 1879 01:29:04,531 --> 01:29:05,491 Yes Yeah. 1880 01:29:05,491 --> 01:29:07,241 Actually, where do we make our final? 1881 01:29:07,241 --> 01:29:07,741 Right. 1882 01:29:07,741 --> 01:29:11,885 But the current estimates for we pick pickup Oh, it's included. 1883 01:29:11,885 --> 01:29:13,535 Yes within the public works budget. 1884 01:29:13,535 --> 01:29:14,491 Yeah Yeah. 1885 01:29:14,491 --> 01:29:15,171 Because we're also. 1886 01:29:15,171 --> 01:29:15,671 Yeah. 1887 01:29:15,671 --> 01:29:17,886 I mean, just so talk about that in the advisory question to us 1888 01:29:17,886 --> 01:29:21,161 is when do we bring this back this time next year. 1889 01:29:21,161 --> 01:29:21,661 Yeah. 1890 01:29:21,661 --> 01:29:23,911 If it's not this year. 1891 01:29:23,911 --> 01:29:26,685 I know this, but I just heard you going to say 1892 01:29:26,685 --> 01:29:27,518 you're going to continue. 1893 01:29:27,518 --> 01:29:31,111 It's already budgeted Well, but that's our prelim budget. 1894 01:29:31,111 --> 01:29:31,951 Actually. 1895 01:29:31,951 --> 01:29:33,254 We do our final budget December. 1896 01:29:33,254 --> 01:29:33,754 Correct. 1897 01:29:33,754 --> 01:29:36,978 So we would have the opportunity to change it if we choose OK. 1898 01:29:36,978 --> 01:29:41,301 Yeah before they do Summer meeting 24 is so we did 1899 01:29:41,301 --> 01:29:42,251 have a warm winter. 1900 01:29:42,251 --> 01:29:44,431 You still would have leaves, bye. 1901 01:29:44,431 --> 01:29:47,167 Well, it's almost always I don't have a crystal ball. 1902 01:29:47,167 --> 01:29:48,701 And we're going to have them. 1903 01:29:48,701 --> 01:29:49,201 OK. 1904 01:29:49,201 --> 01:29:51,421 All right Discuss that 24th and your committee. 1905 01:29:51,421 --> 01:29:53,211 Me or Mr. Fraley? 1906 01:29:53,211 --> 01:29:53,731 Oh, okay. 1907 01:29:53,731 --> 01:29:55,454 I don't know what the 24th. 1908 01:29:55,454 --> 01:29:57,948 OK, turn around Wednesday, usually Wednesday, 1909 01:29:57,948 --> 01:29:59,943 the 25th 25th or the fifth. 1910 01:29:59,943 --> 01:30:00,661 Like this. 1911 01:30:00,661 --> 01:30:01,202 Thank you. 1912 01:30:01,202 --> 01:30:03,451 Modification to the Yeah. 1913 01:30:03,451 --> 01:30:04,776 And the Second opinion. 1914 01:30:04,776 --> 01:30:07,239 Yeah, that would be okay. 1915 01:30:07,239 --> 01:30:11,641 Okay So I mean, that's my feedback too I mean, we, 1916 01:30:11,641 --> 01:30:13,241 we've brought this up a couple of times 1917 01:30:13,241 --> 01:30:14,971 before in our council meetings. 1918 01:30:14,971 --> 01:30:17,731 You know, I believe we need more public feedback 1919 01:30:17,731 --> 01:30:19,411 We've gotten a lot tonight, so I appreciate that. 1920 01:30:19,411 --> 01:30:22,351 And then through Facebook community pages. 1921 01:30:22,351 --> 01:30:24,001 But we need more data, right We need to know 1922 01:30:24,001 --> 01:30:25,831 how many are actually use net. 1923 01:30:25,831 --> 01:30:28,111 And then I would also and i've talked to some people, 1924 01:30:28,111 --> 01:30:31,081 I want to know how many people use it, how many people would be 1925 01:30:31,081 --> 01:30:33,714 willing to pay our user fee as well 1926 01:30:33,714 --> 01:30:35,181 So there's information that i'm looking for. 1927 01:30:35,181 --> 01:30:37,114 The people I've talked to said they'd be willing to do it, 1928 01:30:37,114 --> 01:30:39,121 because we got to try to hire contractors to do it. 1929 01:30:39,121 --> 01:30:41,731 It's going to cost a lot more. 1930 01:30:41,731 --> 01:30:44,521 I think what we're looking at is this is a benefit to the city 1931 01:30:44,521 --> 01:30:47,611 to prevent too much, too many leaves from getting 1932 01:30:47,611 --> 01:30:50,821 into our condensed areas around our downtown areas 1933 01:30:50,821 --> 01:30:51,956 and our houses. 1934 01:30:51,956 --> 01:30:53,092 They're closer together. 1935 01:30:53,092 --> 01:30:57,018 So there is a benefit to keep that stuff out of the storm 1936 01:30:57,018 --> 01:30:59,791 sewer But at the same time, you know, 1937 01:30:59,791 --> 01:31:01,681 if we got hit by a truck at some point 1938 01:31:01,681 --> 01:31:06,301 for three and 1,000 $61,000 average estimated 1939 01:31:06,301 --> 01:31:07,921 operating fees each year. 1940 01:31:07,921 --> 01:31:10,561 And if a small percentage of the property owners 1941 01:31:10,561 --> 01:31:13,715 are actually using it, there's a crazy an imbalance there. 1942 01:31:13,715 --> 01:31:14,215 Right. 1943 01:31:14,215 --> 01:31:17,341 So how do we look at that from an expenditure standpoint? 1944 01:31:17,341 --> 01:31:19,591 So for me, I agree with you, Councilmember, 1945 01:31:19,591 --> 01:31:22,758 I think I'd rather wait and see what type of data 1946 01:31:22,758 --> 01:31:24,391 we get for how many people are actually using it. 1947 01:31:24,391 --> 01:31:26,581 And then I think we need to send a survey 1948 01:31:26,581 --> 01:31:29,611 as well to figure out, you know, how many people use it 1949 01:31:29,611 --> 01:31:31,861 and how many will be willing to pay a user fees. 1950 01:31:31,861 --> 01:31:32,761 And again, we're exploring. 1951 01:31:32,761 --> 01:31:35,281 We're having a conversation and nobody's made up their minds yet 1952 01:31:35,281 --> 01:31:36,967 or our decisions here. 1953 01:31:36,967 --> 01:31:38,499 That's what this is all about. 1954 01:31:38,499 --> 01:31:40,411 Well. to piggyback off your comment, 1955 01:31:40,411 --> 01:31:44,671 I think my concern now over the mass, I mean, 1956 01:31:44,671 --> 01:31:48,073 as far as I can remember, sort of Canada you have 1957 01:31:48,073 --> 01:31:49,526 is that we have. 1958 01:31:49,526 --> 01:31:51,871 We've always want to put more have 1959 01:31:51,871 --> 01:31:54,421 a fund to replace equipment. 1960 01:31:54,421 --> 01:31:57,961 And we haven't been able to get there 1961 01:31:57,961 --> 01:32:01,681 And then you know, to Mr. Anderson's point you know, 1962 01:32:01,681 --> 01:32:02,251 the vehicle. 1963 01:32:02,251 --> 01:32:05,101 Yes, it's 20 years old that we can run it this year, 1964 01:32:05,101 --> 01:32:08,411 but it can run the first day of fall. 1965 01:32:08,411 --> 01:32:10,411 We don't know if it's going to make it through the next week 1966 01:32:10,411 --> 01:32:11,971 of fall, necessarily. 1967 01:32:11,971 --> 01:32:14,461 And then all of a sudden, what are we looking at? 1968 01:32:14,461 --> 01:32:17,461 And if we don't have that fund already set 1969 01:32:17,461 --> 01:32:22,711 up So that's why my largest concern about the fund 1970 01:32:22,711 --> 01:32:28,921 in the lack of revenue and if we need to purchase a new truck 1971 01:32:28,921 --> 01:32:30,241 now, how do we look at that? 1972 01:32:30,241 --> 01:32:32,701 And, you know if we're not looking five years ahead, 1973 01:32:32,701 --> 01:32:35,221 then we're not doing our job. 1974 01:32:35,221 --> 01:32:37,111 Mayor, go ahead Yeah. 1975 01:32:37,111 --> 01:32:40,441 Can I just add some context about how this all came about? 1976 01:32:40,441 --> 01:32:42,901 So with our capital improvement plan that we just we're 1977 01:32:42,901 --> 01:32:45,991 looking at prior to the bond, that's 1978 01:32:45,991 --> 01:32:48,331 where the extra truck came in to replacement 1979 01:32:48,331 --> 01:32:50,266 of the 22 year old vehicle. 1980 01:32:50,266 --> 01:32:51,095 We have. 1981 01:32:51,095 --> 01:32:53,641 And that's where we really started to ask some questions 1982 01:32:53,641 --> 01:32:54,391 about the service. 1983 01:32:54,391 --> 01:32:57,661 And I think there's, what, less than half dozen 1984 01:32:57,661 --> 01:33:01,441 cities in the state that we know of that offer this service. 1985 01:33:01,441 --> 01:33:03,181 So that's where we really started asking questions 1986 01:33:03,181 --> 01:33:06,085 And that's why we also asked Matt and Team 1987 01:33:06,085 --> 01:33:09,781 to analyze the number of people using the service in the spring. 1988 01:33:09,781 --> 01:33:12,571 So we actually put the equipment on to be able to do that. 1989 01:33:12,571 --> 01:33:15,331 And it was actually quite valuable to us 1990 01:33:15,331 --> 01:33:17,131 But then I also brought this up during the flock 1991 01:33:17,131 --> 01:33:19,501 meeting to get this kind of attention and feedback 1992 01:33:19,501 --> 01:33:21,991 is like the flock cameras sometimes we 1993 01:33:21,991 --> 01:33:23,581 get a little too far along before people 1994 01:33:23,581 --> 01:33:24,631 are aware of what's going on. 1995 01:33:24,631 --> 01:33:28,167 So try to make this a little bit more vocal and public sooner. 1996 01:33:28,167 --> 01:33:30,042 So you could have your voice heard before we 1997 01:33:30,042 --> 01:33:31,083 made any final decision. 1998 01:33:31,083 --> 01:33:34,021 So that's kind of what brought us here to today 1999 01:33:34,021 --> 01:33:35,462 And what were your words? 2000 01:33:35,462 --> 01:33:36,362 Tell your neighbors, right? 2001 01:33:36,362 --> 01:33:36,862 Yeah. 2002 01:33:36,862 --> 01:33:37,681 Tell your neighbors. 2003 01:33:37,681 --> 01:33:42,901 Well, so we have one at this point. 2004 01:33:42,901 --> 01:33:43,561 Final. 2005 01:33:43,561 --> 01:33:46,261 And this is to Matt, like with the fire department, 2006 01:33:46,261 --> 01:33:49,762 the ladder truck is is there one that's this reconditioned 2007 01:33:49,762 --> 01:33:51,781 does have to be brand new. 2008 01:33:51,781 --> 01:33:52,444 Does it have to be? 2009 01:33:52,444 --> 01:33:54,211 No But there's not too many communities where you can 2010 01:33:54,211 --> 01:33:55,575 get a specialty leaf pickup. 2011 01:33:55,575 --> 01:33:56,081 Got me. 2012 01:33:56,081 --> 01:33:56,581 Okay. 2013 01:33:56,581 --> 01:33:57,578 Because you did mention that. 2014 01:33:57,578 --> 01:33:58,861 Yeah it was the lot. 2015 01:33:58,861 --> 01:33:59,461 Yeah. 2016 01:33:59,461 --> 01:34:04,681 And to sell art of a lot of our you know, because there's. 2017 01:34:04,681 --> 01:34:06,969 Yeah, there's there's no takers. 2018 01:34:06,969 --> 01:34:08,460 OK Or minimal takers. 2019 01:34:08,460 --> 01:34:09,541 I threw it out there. 2020 01:34:09,541 --> 01:34:12,236 Yeah No, I don't. 2021 01:34:12,236 --> 01:34:12,736 Yes. 2022 01:34:12,736 --> 01:34:13,236 OK. 2023 01:34:13,236 --> 01:34:17,101 I come up just so people watching can hear the questions 2024 01:34:17,101 --> 01:34:21,181 So if they had some aspect sold like, you know how many hours 2025 01:34:21,181 --> 01:34:26,701 are on the rig you know how many hours are actually on which 2026 01:34:26,701 --> 01:34:29,041 miles, but hours on the old truck, 2027 01:34:29,041 --> 01:34:31,962 What are the major repairs we talking engine, transmission? 2028 01:34:31,962 --> 01:34:33,631 It's less about the truck. 2029 01:34:33,631 --> 01:34:35,971 It's more about the equipment, the back system itself, 2030 01:34:35,971 --> 01:34:37,373 the VAC system Yeah. 2031 01:34:37,373 --> 01:34:37,873 OK. 2032 01:34:37,873 --> 01:34:41,341 So could you just put a new VAC system on the truck 2033 01:34:41,341 --> 01:34:43,441 or how it is you know, is it. 2034 01:34:43,441 --> 01:34:45,961 I believe it's already been retrofitted on five 2035 01:34:45,961 --> 01:34:47,418 years ago with different. 2036 01:34:47,418 --> 01:34:48,961 So what's the major repair cost? 2037 01:34:48,961 --> 01:34:51,685 What's is the back system going bad and can 2038 01:34:51,685 --> 01:34:53,128 you put a new system on the old truck. 2039 01:34:53,128 --> 01:34:55,335 Or do you have to have a whole new truck ? 2040 01:34:55,335 --> 01:34:58,054 Well, those are questions that I think any more from right now. 2041 01:34:58,054 --> 01:35:00,482 How are the repairs trending or the increasing every year 2042 01:35:00,482 --> 01:35:02,011 over the past couple of years, five years? 2043 01:35:02,011 --> 01:35:02,941 What does that look like? 2044 01:35:02,941 --> 01:35:07,861 But is it 60 grand a year in repairs or, you know do you have 2045 01:35:07,861 --> 01:35:09,151 a truck with low hours on it? 2046 01:35:09,151 --> 01:35:12,855 Only gets around a month or two a year So, I mean, you know, I 2047 01:35:12,855 --> 01:35:13,741 I'm a truck driver. 2048 01:35:13,741 --> 01:35:14,611 I'm a crane operator. 2049 01:35:14,611 --> 01:35:16,261 So I deal with this. 2050 01:35:16,261 --> 01:35:18,841 Some of our trucks have almost a half a million miles on road. 2051 01:35:18,841 --> 01:35:22,536 They just you know, looks like they're meant to go. 2052 01:35:22,536 --> 01:35:26,251 You know, it's but if it's the back system, then that old rig. 2053 01:35:26,251 --> 01:35:29,528 I don't I don't think anybody here cares how pretty it is 2054 01:35:29,528 --> 01:35:33,331 You know, off some of them, like the lights 2055 01:35:33,331 --> 01:35:35,403 But you know, if the transmission is good 2056 01:35:35,403 --> 01:35:37,187 and the motor is good and this is going to mean, 2057 01:35:37,187 --> 01:35:37,949 that's 20 years old. 2058 01:35:37,949 --> 01:35:41,371 So you know, you get bad belts, you get bad hoses, you know, 2059 01:35:41,371 --> 01:35:44,161 maybe some wiring But for the most part 2060 01:35:44,161 --> 01:35:46,951 you know, some things as long as you keep oil and coolant in it, 2061 01:35:46,951 --> 01:35:50,497 it'll go it's part of the long term planning that we need. 2062 01:35:50,497 --> 01:35:51,601 Appreciate it. 2063 01:35:51,601 --> 01:35:54,961 Continue to you know look at our capital equipment 2064 01:35:54,961 --> 01:35:57,741 you know the good questions again that's more information. 2065 01:35:57,741 --> 01:35:59,891 I think we need more detail to write it. 2066 01:35:59,891 --> 01:36:02,351 What are the equipment repairs look like? 2067 01:36:02,351 --> 01:36:02,851 Right? 2068 01:36:02,851 --> 01:36:03,991 How are we trending? 2069 01:36:03,991 --> 01:36:04,801 Sure Sure. 2070 01:36:04,801 --> 01:36:09,027 And that was my other question about I lost it all. 2071 01:36:09,027 --> 01:36:14,461 Dang i had one more sure, sure. 2072 01:36:14,461 --> 01:36:16,781 When we might have public comment Number three, I guess. 2073 01:36:16,781 --> 01:36:17,281 Or. 2074 01:36:17,281 --> 01:36:18,001 Oh, yeah. 2075 01:36:18,001 --> 01:36:22,891 My other question would be would it be more cost effective to say 2076 01:36:22,891 --> 01:36:25,351 sort of like they're talking about four times in the spring 2077 01:36:25,351 --> 01:36:28,081 and four times in the fall I would think something's 2078 01:36:28,081 --> 01:36:30,931 better than nothing So like, even if I'm 2079 01:36:30,931 --> 01:36:32,791 sure people would still like to have it twice 2080 01:36:32,791 --> 01:36:34,163 to three times in the fall. 2081 01:36:34,163 --> 01:36:37,981 And one time in the spring and would that save money? 2082 01:36:37,981 --> 01:36:40,921 Yeah, it's getting that data collected that fall. 2083 01:36:40,921 --> 01:36:42,451 Well, I think we have to track that right. 2084 01:36:42,451 --> 01:36:43,681 Like week after week. 2085 01:36:43,681 --> 01:36:46,681 I mean, how many more how small are the piles getting, you know, 2086 01:36:46,681 --> 01:36:48,006 track in the volume. 2087 01:36:48,006 --> 01:36:49,757 Sure to bill to answer that question. 2088 01:36:49,757 --> 01:36:53,041 Well, and like we were talking, I think if someone brought it 2089 01:36:53,041 --> 01:36:56,341 up as well that sometimes not all the leaks are done 2090 01:36:56,341 --> 01:36:58,471 and my last pickup is came and that's probably 2091 01:36:58,471 --> 01:37:00,211 why we got the spring Yeah. 2092 01:37:00,211 --> 01:37:01,801 Pick up as well. 2093 01:37:01,801 --> 01:37:03,601 And the other thing I do notice is that some neighbors 2094 01:37:03,601 --> 01:37:04,441 pile them together. 2095 01:37:04,441 --> 01:37:06,541 So I don't know how you're getting your data. 2096 01:37:06,541 --> 01:37:10,231 If it tells my house by house But you know, some of us, 2097 01:37:10,231 --> 01:37:13,021 we just pile it all on one big side. 2098 01:37:13,021 --> 01:37:17,011 So it could be three houses in just one pile. 2099 01:37:17,011 --> 01:37:21,481 So it's kind of, you know, I think there's more data Yeah, I 2100 01:37:21,481 --> 01:37:23,821 think it's more than that So the data is 2101 01:37:23,821 --> 01:37:26,791 being collected by the driver in the leaf pickup truck. 2102 01:37:26,791 --> 01:37:30,841 He has an iPad, which is all those every individual parcel. 2103 01:37:30,841 --> 01:37:32,041 There's a pile of clicks on. 2104 01:37:32,041 --> 01:37:33,101 It gets submitted. 2105 01:37:33,101 --> 01:37:33,601 Sure. 2106 01:37:33,601 --> 01:37:36,121 And it tracks as miles every parcel. 2107 01:37:36,121 --> 01:37:38,791 So it's all GIs. 2108 01:37:38,791 --> 01:37:41,214 So Okay, so just going on. 2109 01:37:41,214 --> 01:37:41,879 How many piles? 2110 01:37:41,879 --> 01:37:42,379 Yeah. 2111 01:37:42,379 --> 01:37:43,591 We're not knocking on doors asking 2112 01:37:43,591 --> 01:37:44,521 if you pile them together. 2113 01:37:44,521 --> 01:37:45,879 Yeah, right. 2114 01:37:45,879 --> 01:37:48,031 Well, I'm just saying i think you could 2115 01:37:48,031 --> 01:37:49,587 you put a sign out next year. 2116 01:37:49,587 --> 01:37:50,543 This is 3. 2117 01:37:50,543 --> 01:37:51,301 This year. 2118 01:37:51,301 --> 01:37:54,703 3 lots of these multifamily a leaf pickup. 2119 01:37:54,703 --> 01:37:56,431 Right Okay. 2120 01:37:56,431 --> 01:37:58,957 But that's where if we had a survey, if we had people reach 2121 01:37:58,957 --> 01:38:00,498 out, we could compare what's been reported 2122 01:38:00,498 --> 01:38:02,641 to what we're finding right? 2123 01:38:02,641 --> 01:38:06,511 So so, Matt, I would say and Matthew, maybe a little bit more 2124 01:38:06,511 --> 01:38:08,161 detail about how you want to analyze 2125 01:38:08,161 --> 01:38:10,891 that or collect that information would be helpful. 2126 01:38:10,891 --> 01:38:12,751 And would you have to estimate how 2127 01:38:12,751 --> 01:38:15,881 much they would pay for a fee? 2128 01:38:15,881 --> 01:38:16,381 Right. 2129 01:38:16,381 --> 01:38:18,069 Well, they've kind of they've kind of. 2130 01:38:18,069 --> 01:38:18,661 Yeah. 2131 01:38:18,661 --> 01:38:19,161 Yeah. 2132 01:38:19,161 --> 01:38:21,751 We've done some other preliminary stuff 2133 01:38:21,751 --> 01:38:24,897 in our advisor communities could be lower, could be more. 2134 01:38:24,897 --> 01:38:25,397 So. 2135 01:38:25,397 --> 01:38:27,211 So Mary recommending the survey before the November 2136 01:38:27,211 --> 01:38:29,081 24th meeting or 25 meeting. 2137 01:38:29,081 --> 01:38:30,816 Yes, I think it should all be done. 2138 01:38:30,816 --> 01:38:31,509 The same time. 2139 01:38:31,509 --> 01:38:33,070 I don't know what that survey looks like. 2140 01:38:33,070 --> 01:38:35,821 I'm not saying we send out a I'm not sure what that looks like. 2141 01:38:35,821 --> 01:38:37,217 I think it's up to staff to figure 2142 01:38:37,217 --> 01:38:38,745 out how could we do a survey. 2143 01:38:38,745 --> 01:38:41,461 So people could report that, hey I'm participating, 2144 01:38:41,461 --> 01:38:43,771 I want to participate And we compare that number, that 2145 01:38:43,771 --> 01:38:47,431 information to what drivers are finding 2146 01:38:47,431 --> 01:38:49,861 because the three of them are piled together 2147 01:38:49,861 --> 01:38:51,271 You're going to have a discrepancy there. 2148 01:38:51,271 --> 01:38:53,491 Yeah they're reporting their name and their address. 2149 01:38:53,491 --> 01:38:56,851 Then we kind of we can have more information 2150 01:38:56,851 --> 01:38:59,791 that makes sense All right. 2151 01:38:59,791 --> 01:39:00,961 You're going to get less accurate 2152 01:39:00,961 --> 01:39:05,155 information on survey Well, we got to start somewhere, 2153 01:39:05,155 --> 01:39:05,693 you know. 2154 01:39:05,693 --> 01:39:06,231 I know. 2155 01:39:06,231 --> 01:39:06,949 I'm just there. 2156 01:39:06,949 --> 01:39:13,502 OK You're going to get a lower response rate right All right. 2157 01:39:13,502 --> 01:39:17,671 So i'm tempted to expectations, tempering 2158 01:39:17,671 --> 01:39:20,521 expectations Let's figure out how to get this, how we're not. 2159 01:39:20,521 --> 01:39:21,961 Mr. Mehta You're correct. 2160 01:39:21,961 --> 01:39:24,949 And if you don't know solution. 2161 01:39:24,949 --> 01:39:26,456 The effort or not worthwhile. 2162 01:39:26,456 --> 01:39:27,033 Yes. 2163 01:39:27,033 --> 01:39:28,187 Yes, absolutely. 2164 01:39:28,187 --> 01:39:29,053 Absent that. 2165 01:39:29,053 --> 01:39:36,281 OK I thought you're been nice tonight I can at some point. 2166 01:39:36,281 --> 01:39:36,781 All right. 2167 01:39:36,781 --> 01:39:38,100 So we have a First and second. 2168 01:39:38,100 --> 01:39:40,908 We've got our discussion Any other comments or questions? 2169 01:39:40,908 --> 01:39:43,201 We'll do the survey part of the motion. 2170 01:39:43,201 --> 01:39:47,046 or is that just a consensus asking is there 2171 01:39:47,046 --> 01:39:49,261 a consensus that it's okay? 2172 01:39:49,261 --> 01:39:53,461 Okay I have one major question, General Jeff The $150 that was 2173 01:39:53,461 --> 01:39:58,021 brought up on that option to the pay to play model, 2174 01:39:58,021 --> 01:40:02,401 is that just taking roughly $68,000, 2175 01:40:02,401 --> 01:40:05,101 whatever that you came up with by number 2176 01:40:05,101 --> 01:40:06,571 of parcels and were at the one? 2177 01:40:06,571 --> 01:40:08,341 That's what I question. 2178 01:40:08,341 --> 01:40:10,284 There is another city that we were comparing to. 2179 01:40:10,284 --> 01:40:11,281 Correct? 2180 01:40:11,281 --> 01:40:13,891 Circle Circle Pines, I think there 2181 01:40:13,891 --> 01:40:19,021 was 90, 95 five box and that was for a 96 gallon, 2182 01:40:19,021 --> 01:40:20,342 you know, and container. 2183 01:40:20,342 --> 01:40:20,857 Right. 2184 01:40:20,857 --> 01:40:27,541 And how does that 150 work out for our So an annual fee. 2185 01:40:27,541 --> 01:40:28,831 That is correct. 2186 01:40:28,831 --> 01:40:32,251 But again, it's but again, we're not pursuing that right now. 2187 01:40:32,251 --> 01:40:35,461 May Well, I know I'm just asking the clicker question Matthew, 2188 01:40:35,461 --> 01:40:36,721 please. 2189 01:40:36,721 --> 01:40:37,471 Yeah. 2190 01:40:37,471 --> 01:40:38,673 Jeff just answer the question. 2191 01:40:38,673 --> 01:40:41,671 We're not implementing that as part of this motion. 2192 01:40:41,671 --> 01:40:43,351 We're just going to gather some research. 2193 01:40:43,351 --> 01:40:45,121 We're going to do the passes in the fall. 2194 01:40:45,121 --> 01:40:48,961 We're going to collect the data How many people are participate 2195 01:40:48,961 --> 01:40:50,371 how many trips are we taking? 2196 01:40:50,371 --> 01:40:53,731 How much time is this going to be providing the community? 2197 01:40:53,731 --> 01:40:57,091 And then we'll bring in to bring that back and consensus 2198 01:40:57,091 --> 01:40:58,681 from the city council is that we will 2199 01:40:58,681 --> 01:41:01,681 get a survey put together that we will put on our website. 2200 01:41:01,681 --> 01:41:03,451 We'll promote it through our Facebook page 2201 01:41:03,451 --> 01:41:06,271 and do our best to get that promoted in our community 2202 01:41:06,271 --> 01:41:07,921 through the different events throughout the fall 2203 01:41:07,921 --> 01:41:10,640 and have that data bring back to that to the council 2204 01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:12,358 as well at the same time. 2205 01:41:12,358 --> 01:41:12,858 OK. 2206 01:41:12,858 --> 01:41:15,468 But my question is, where the 150 came from. 2207 01:41:15,468 --> 01:41:17,350 You're saying it's based on another city. 2208 01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:20,112 I guess part of if it's been presented again 2209 01:41:20,112 --> 01:41:25,803 is be I don't like a number being put up there that i 2210 01:41:25,803 --> 01:41:27,254 don't know how that effects. 2211 01:41:27,254 --> 01:41:29,431 That's why I said, even covers the cost 2212 01:41:29,431 --> 01:41:32,671 or if it's making money off the citizens that don't use it. 2213 01:41:32,671 --> 01:41:38,311 So if we had the cost of $70,000 roughly, and that was you know, 2214 01:41:38,311 --> 01:41:42,518 to get that to covering cost or if it's covering 50% 2215 01:41:42,518 --> 01:41:43,651 of the cost, whatever it might be, 2216 01:41:43,651 --> 01:41:45,841 that's what I would want to know If we presented 2217 01:41:45,841 --> 01:41:48,791 a second option in the future at the meeting on the 24th, 2218 01:41:48,791 --> 01:41:49,291 is that. 2219 01:41:49,291 --> 01:41:52,741 Yeah, that's all I'm asking is where that money came from. 2220 01:41:52,741 --> 01:41:56,180 And to be able to tell residents how there. 2221 01:41:56,180 --> 01:41:59,011 It is being utilized and how well that was presented up here 2222 01:41:59,011 --> 01:42:00,491 was broken down to some degree. 2223 01:42:00,491 --> 01:42:00,991 That map. 2224 01:42:00,991 --> 01:42:03,361 Did you just pick a number of parcels? 2225 01:42:03,361 --> 01:42:07,123 Is that how you figure this out or that 50? 2226 01:42:07,123 --> 01:42:07,831 Go ahead. 2227 01:42:07,831 --> 01:42:11,191 I, I so we took the spring collection data 2228 01:42:11,191 --> 01:42:12,811 and we doubled the number of people that 2229 01:42:12,811 --> 01:42:14,401 participated thinking that that would 2230 01:42:14,401 --> 01:42:17,431 be a general ballpark number. 2231 01:42:17,431 --> 01:42:21,661 And then we broke it down by the $62,000 and that was the closest 2232 01:42:21,661 --> 01:42:22,981 number that related to that. 2233 01:42:22,981 --> 01:42:23,481 OK. 2234 01:42:23,481 --> 01:42:27,961 So that's how we came up with based off of 14% of we 2235 01:42:27,961 --> 01:42:30,202 doubled it and broke it down. 2236 01:42:30,202 --> 01:42:30,820 Okay. 2237 01:42:30,820 --> 01:42:31,745 28 Yeah. 2238 01:42:31,745 --> 01:42:32,362 OK. 2239 01:42:32,362 --> 01:42:34,321 Okay You're welcome. 2240 01:42:34,321 --> 01:42:34,861 We got those. 2241 01:42:34,861 --> 01:42:37,711 That's the last numbers. 2242 01:42:37,711 --> 01:42:42,631 Go through of numbers that we can't say with All right. 2243 01:42:42,631 --> 01:42:44,408 Any other questions Yeah. 2244 01:42:44,408 --> 01:42:54,781 This is all All right, Come on I usually clean up during cleanup. 2245 01:42:54,781 --> 01:42:57,421 I probably do my third one today with all oak trees. 2246 01:42:57,421 --> 01:42:58,591 I got what I saw. 2247 01:42:58,591 --> 01:43:01,441 One of the altar net roots was put 2248 01:43:01,441 --> 01:43:04,951 in a sun up at the compost site and having badges to get in. 2249 01:43:04,951 --> 01:43:07,449 I just guess out of curiosity, what 2250 01:43:07,449 --> 01:43:11,701 would the hours be extended done since you'd be expected to? 2251 01:43:11,701 --> 01:43:14,671 That's bring it ourselves that's what that have a hard 2252 01:43:14,671 --> 01:43:18,481 closed on when that doesn't work at night 2253 01:43:18,481 --> 01:43:21,241 like it would be open till we haven't explored it to that 2254 01:43:21,241 --> 01:43:22,141 extent. 2255 01:43:22,141 --> 01:43:23,971 But the reason why we limited the hours 2256 01:43:23,971 --> 01:43:26,671 to begin with, those people were bringing stuff that was not 2257 01:43:26,671 --> 01:43:29,251 supposed to be there and people coming from out of town 2258 01:43:29,251 --> 01:43:33,121 and dropping stuff off there and it became a very expensive thing 2259 01:43:33,121 --> 01:43:36,421 to maintain because we have to grind all that up and all out. 2260 01:43:36,421 --> 01:43:40,789 So that's why we lock it down so much from two years ago now. 2261 01:43:40,789 --> 01:43:43,165 Yeah Yeah. 2262 01:43:43,165 --> 01:43:43,781 Okay. 2263 01:43:43,781 --> 01:43:46,412 That makes sense I'm just ask because I know a lot of people 2264 01:43:46,412 --> 01:43:48,541 commute like me to the cities every day, 2265 01:43:48,541 --> 01:43:50,761 so then light and traffic back up here 2266 01:43:50,761 --> 01:43:52,653 and trying to get to it before I closes 2267 01:43:52,653 --> 01:43:54,316 isn't always exactly correct. 2268 01:43:54,316 --> 01:43:55,646 Oh, yeah. 2269 01:43:55,646 --> 01:43:59,161 So just if that were to be pursued, it being open later 2270 01:43:59,161 --> 01:44:00,340 would be a huge help. 2271 01:44:00,340 --> 01:44:01,373 That's the reason for the gate. 2272 01:44:01,373 --> 01:44:02,157 Appreciate it. 2273 01:44:02,157 --> 01:44:02,657 Access. 2274 01:44:02,657 --> 01:44:03,154 OK. 2275 01:44:03,154 --> 01:44:03,654 Yeah. 2276 01:44:03,654 --> 01:44:04,888 Conversations are still going. 2277 01:44:04,888 --> 01:44:05,388 Yeah. 2278 01:44:05,388 --> 01:44:05,968 What happens? 2279 01:44:05,968 --> 01:44:06,468 Something. 2280 01:44:06,468 --> 01:44:06,968 Okay. 2281 01:44:06,968 --> 01:44:07,501 No problem. 2282 01:44:07,501 --> 01:44:08,948 Now, I will say too. 2283 01:44:08,948 --> 01:44:11,487 I mean I was there for the first time in a couple of years, 2284 01:44:11,487 --> 01:44:12,151 couple weeks ago. 2285 01:44:12,151 --> 01:44:14,461 And I was shocking the difference right there 2286 01:44:14,461 --> 01:44:17,761 of these massive oak tree trunks or the orange size 2287 01:44:17,761 --> 01:44:20,971 that we say is a limit Lavonte happened 2288 01:44:20,971 --> 01:44:22,471 to be there, smile on his face. 2289 01:44:22,471 --> 01:44:25,471 Frankly, it could be just a totally 2290 01:44:25,471 --> 01:44:26,458 different experience, right? 2291 01:44:26,458 --> 01:44:27,783 For what I've seen with people dumping 2292 01:44:27,783 --> 01:44:29,554 tires and appliance shows and all the other stuff 2293 01:44:29,554 --> 01:44:30,421 that doesn't belong there. 2294 01:44:30,421 --> 01:44:33,391 So it was the right move But we need 2295 01:44:33,391 --> 01:44:35,092 to continue our conversation to figure out 2296 01:44:35,092 --> 01:44:36,867 how we can be more flexible with our residents 2297 01:44:36,867 --> 01:44:38,941 to correct All right. 2298 01:44:38,941 --> 01:44:41,011 So we got the first and second, we've 2299 01:44:41,011 --> 01:44:46,981 had 2 or 3 public comments Any other comments before we vote? 2300 01:44:46,981 --> 01:44:48,001 All right All in favor. 2301 01:44:48,001 --> 01:44:54,151 Signify by saying I, I oppose unanimously. 2302 01:44:54,151 --> 01:44:57,031 All right Now, the big one. 2303 01:44:57,031 --> 01:45:02,176 We go Let Mr. Hill kick this one off. 2304 01:45:02,176 --> 01:45:04,501 Yes, Thank you. 2305 01:45:04,501 --> 01:45:06,091 You. 2306 01:45:06,091 --> 01:45:08,251 The last council meeting staff was directed 2307 01:45:08,251 --> 01:45:10,591 to get some information in regards to the contractual 2308 01:45:10,591 --> 01:45:13,441 obligations for the city and what implications 2309 01:45:13,441 --> 01:45:17,821 of cancellation, how that would look for the city 2310 01:45:17,821 --> 01:45:27,841 We did we did pause the project We did pause the project 2311 01:45:27,841 --> 01:45:29,461 and we did not. 2312 01:45:29,461 --> 01:45:31,981 But the four cameras up, the three cameras 2313 01:45:31,981 --> 01:45:34,591 that were physically installed were removed and are currently 2314 01:45:34,591 --> 01:45:41,431 in storage We have contacted flock with the storage location 2315 01:45:41,431 --> 01:45:43,741 and they can come pick them up if the council moves 2316 01:45:43,741 --> 01:45:46,621 forward with canceling this. 2317 01:45:46,621 --> 01:45:49,711 We have been in contact with our city Attorney's office review 2318 01:45:49,711 --> 01:45:54,619 the contract There are some implications that are probably 2319 01:45:54,619 --> 01:46:02,221 already known but confirmed if the city does move forward 2320 01:46:02,221 --> 01:46:05,011 to cancel, we would probably not be 2321 01:46:05,011 --> 01:46:07,621 able to recuperate recoup the funding 2322 01:46:07,621 --> 01:46:09,721 that we've already expended. 2323 01:46:09,721 --> 01:46:13,441 The initial $21,000 for a year one, we 2324 01:46:13,441 --> 01:46:15,841 do have a three year contract. 2325 01:46:15,841 --> 01:46:18,571 We have received communication from flux safety 2326 01:46:18,571 --> 01:46:22,051 that they said that we do have a three year contract 2327 01:46:22,051 --> 01:46:23,971 and while they can stop the installation 2328 01:46:23,971 --> 01:46:25,441 and remove the equipment, the city 2329 01:46:25,441 --> 01:46:27,811 is responsible for the financial obligations 2330 01:46:27,811 --> 01:46:31,621 outlined for the duration of the three year term. 2331 01:46:31,621 --> 01:46:36,301 There is a a non-renewal provision, 2332 01:46:36,301 --> 01:46:38,356 meaning that at the end of the Three years, 2333 01:46:38,356 --> 01:46:41,281 we can give a notice to them in writing 2334 01:46:41,281 --> 01:46:44,191 which would cancel any future obligations to that fact. 2335 01:46:44,191 --> 01:46:45,631 That system. 2336 01:46:45,631 --> 01:46:49,831 So the nuts and bolts of it are that we can cancel. 2337 01:46:49,831 --> 01:46:52,878 We have the cameras down already, 2338 01:46:52,878 --> 01:46:55,916 and they can come and pick them up There 2339 01:46:55,916 --> 01:47:00,151 is a financial obligation from the city for the contract We've 2340 01:47:00,151 --> 01:47:01,951 had it reviewed by legal and those 2341 01:47:01,951 --> 01:47:04,632 are the areas that have been addressed 2342 01:47:04,632 --> 01:47:05,969 So I'm open to any questions. 2343 01:47:05,969 --> 01:47:09,631 I know Dan's here as well, too Provide any additional feedback 2344 01:47:09,631 --> 01:47:14,251 or provide any additional support for your your inquiries. 2345 01:47:14,251 --> 01:47:15,751 Question go ahead. 2346 01:47:15,751 --> 01:47:19,471 We had allocated some grant money from the state for this 2347 01:47:19,471 --> 01:47:24,301 correct And the initial expense of the 61,000, 2348 01:47:24,301 --> 01:47:34,573 63,000, I kind of special public safety funding Yeah. 2349 01:47:34,573 --> 01:47:37,056 The when the contract was passed. 2350 01:47:37,056 --> 01:47:42,571 It was to use the funds from the 2023 public safety money that 2351 01:47:42,571 --> 01:47:44,341 was received from the state in the full 2352 01:47:44,341 --> 01:47:46,021 amount is there the 63,000. 2353 01:47:46,021 --> 01:47:51,571 It wasn't just a 21,000 will All right. 2354 01:47:51,571 --> 01:47:52,406 I'm going to jump in. 2355 01:47:52,406 --> 01:47:57,091 Since I've been by the most involved in this you 2356 01:47:57,091 --> 01:47:57,991 my glasses on here. 2357 01:47:57,991 --> 01:48:00,931 So I did ask some questions to our police 2358 01:48:00,931 --> 01:48:04,291 chief who forwarded to whoever our flock 2359 01:48:04,291 --> 01:48:05,639 rep was, was answering this. 2360 01:48:05,639 --> 01:48:08,761 So i just want to go through this thing. 2361 01:48:08,761 --> 01:48:12,152 So some of the things I've you know, Jessie and a few others 2362 01:48:12,152 --> 01:48:13,591 have brought up some of what I've seen 2363 01:48:13,591 --> 01:48:16,291 with other cities and concerns. 2364 01:48:16,291 --> 01:48:19,250 So the First question that I had asked is, 2365 01:48:19,250 --> 01:48:23,191 does a customer are meaning the owner of the flock Safety Falcon 2366 01:48:23,191 --> 01:48:26,821 license plate reader have the only encryption key to access 2367 01:48:26,821 --> 01:48:30,241 their data Or does a flock safety company also have 2368 01:48:30,241 --> 01:48:32,607 an encryption key ? and the ability 2369 01:48:32,607 --> 01:48:34,825 to access data on customer owned selfie cameras? 2370 01:48:34,825 --> 01:48:37,284 So i'm just there's like for questions, I 2371 01:48:37,284 --> 01:48:38,251 want to read the answer here. 2372 01:48:38,251 --> 01:48:39,371 So safety. 2373 01:48:39,371 --> 01:48:42,421 This is their response Flash Safety manages the encryption 2374 01:48:42,421 --> 01:48:47,911 process as part of the service using industry standard services 2375 01:48:47,911 --> 01:48:53,041 like key management service, also known as Cams Data is 2376 01:48:53,041 --> 01:48:55,681 encrypted in the device during transfer 2377 01:48:55,681 --> 01:48:58,171 and when stored while flock manage the encryption 2378 01:48:58,171 --> 01:49:03,391 keys This does not grant slack general access to customer data. 2379 01:49:03,391 --> 01:49:05,371 Access to customer data by flock personnel 2380 01:49:05,371 --> 01:49:07,111 is contractually limited. 2381 01:49:07,111 --> 01:49:10,471 Strictly controlled and occurs only when reasonably necessary 2382 01:49:10,471 --> 01:49:15,181 to provide customer support or address system issues. 2383 01:49:15,181 --> 01:49:17,311 Access to criminal justice information. 2384 01:49:17,311 --> 01:49:21,033 CGI is further restricted to designated cGI 2385 01:49:21,033 --> 01:49:23,491 certified engineers who have undergone fingerprinting 2386 01:49:23,491 --> 01:49:26,881 and background checks So my second my follow up question 2387 01:49:26,881 --> 01:49:30,391 to this was if indeed has encryption key to access data 2388 01:49:30,391 --> 01:49:32,731 on customer owned Falcon cameras, 2389 01:49:32,731 --> 01:49:34,651 can your flock representative access 2390 01:49:34,651 --> 01:49:37,891 that system without the customer's knowledge? 2391 01:49:37,891 --> 01:49:41,131 And then is there any way to see a history of one flock accesses 2392 01:49:41,131 --> 01:49:45,061 customer owned cameras The response access by flock 2393 01:49:45,061 --> 01:49:47,281 representatives is governed by strict policies 2394 01:49:47,281 --> 01:49:50,041 and is not performed without a legitimate need, 2395 01:49:50,041 --> 01:49:53,401 such as providing customers support or system maintenance 2396 01:49:53,401 --> 01:49:55,621 as outlined in the terms of our agreement 2397 01:49:55,621 --> 01:49:59,191 All privilege Administrator access by flock personnel 2398 01:49:59,191 --> 01:50:03,841 is logged for auditing purpose So I just just kind of respond 2399 01:50:03,841 --> 01:50:05,551 and say that I didn't feel like it 2400 01:50:05,551 --> 01:50:09,781 was as forthright of an answer as it should have been. 2401 01:50:09,781 --> 01:50:13,351 I don't know that if we had these flat cameras up, 2402 01:50:13,351 --> 01:50:17,071 if we would know when they would access it, 2403 01:50:17,071 --> 01:50:20,191 even if they felt like it was a legitimate reason 2404 01:50:20,191 --> 01:50:21,271 without doing the audit. 2405 01:50:21,271 --> 01:50:22,231 That wasn't clear to me. 2406 01:50:22,231 --> 01:50:24,091 I felt like it wasn't as complete as answer 2407 01:50:24,091 --> 01:50:27,241 as it should have been I go on to the next one 2408 01:50:27,241 --> 01:50:33,007 here is there any way for entities 2409 01:50:33,007 --> 01:50:36,392 other state or federal agencies besides the authorized user 2410 01:50:36,392 --> 01:50:39,661 granted access by the customer who owns the flock? 2411 01:50:39,661 --> 01:50:42,303 A LPR system to access and view the data? 2412 01:50:42,303 --> 01:50:42,862 I apologize. 2413 01:50:42,862 --> 01:50:44,725 I was trying to be very specific with this. 2414 01:50:44,725 --> 01:50:47,011 But bottom line is I want to make sure that there wasn't any 2415 01:50:47,011 --> 01:50:50,846 way they didn't understand my question The response was, no, 2416 01:50:50,846 --> 01:50:53,281 other entities cannot access the data unless the customer 2417 01:50:53,281 --> 01:50:55,591 explicitly authorizes it. 2418 01:50:55,591 --> 01:51:01,591 The data sharing is turned off by default The customer owns 2419 01:51:01,591 --> 01:51:03,541 and controls 100% of their data and has 2420 01:51:03,541 --> 01:51:06,151 complete discretion over what other agencies 2421 01:51:06,151 --> 01:51:08,551 they share data with. 2422 01:51:08,551 --> 01:51:15,841 So when they say data sharing is turned off by default that 2423 01:51:15,841 --> 01:51:20,041 doesn't feel true to me based on things that I've conversation 2424 01:51:20,041 --> 01:51:22,651 I've had with other cities, other information that I've 2425 01:51:22,651 --> 01:51:25,741 seen in this conversation. 2426 01:51:25,741 --> 01:51:29,221 Schiff and I have had a little bit with our city administrator 2427 01:51:29,221 --> 01:51:31,981 people, some of these law enforcement agencies 2428 01:51:31,981 --> 01:51:35,101 are recognizing or figuring out that other agencies 2429 01:51:35,101 --> 01:51:38,337 are able to access their system, and then they're common is. 2430 01:51:38,337 --> 01:51:42,331 And then we realize how to stop it when we put our controls on. 2431 01:51:42,331 --> 01:51:46,561 So when they say that the data control is basically, 2432 01:51:46,561 --> 01:51:50,341 you know, off by default there are 2433 01:51:50,341 --> 01:51:51,961 signs that that's not the case. 2434 01:51:51,961 --> 01:51:55,771 When these when these systems are being put up. 2435 01:51:55,771 --> 01:51:57,811 I guess with these different cities and law enforcement 2436 01:51:57,811 --> 01:52:00,691 agencies So I'm giving you my observation my opinion, 2437 01:52:00,691 --> 01:52:03,361 based on these answers that they're given. 2438 01:52:03,361 --> 01:52:08,401 Next question Are there any pre-installed 2439 01:52:08,401 --> 01:52:12,961 visual or audio record features on the Falcon LP cameras? 2440 01:52:12,961 --> 01:52:18,331 If so, are they simply pre-installed but not activated 2441 01:52:18,331 --> 01:52:20,791 So the response, unlike traditional security cameras 2442 01:52:20,791 --> 01:52:23,323 that continually record video locks, 2443 01:52:23,323 --> 01:52:27,421 LPR cameras capture a point in time images of vehicles 2444 01:52:27,421 --> 01:52:29,191 traveling on public roadways and does 2445 01:52:29,191 --> 01:52:31,801 not provide continuous real time tracking 2446 01:52:31,801 --> 01:52:33,872 of any individual flock. 2447 01:52:33,872 --> 01:52:37,051 Cameras capture objective vehicle information as vehicles 2448 01:52:37,051 --> 01:52:39,721 pass through a final occasion, and they go on 2449 01:52:39,721 --> 01:52:43,316 to describe what's in their promotional material 2450 01:52:43,316 --> 01:52:45,601 in the follow up on this, because they didn't ask 2451 01:52:45,601 --> 01:52:53,559 my question about the video part Yeah So I followed up and asked, 2452 01:52:53,559 --> 01:52:57,091 are there preinstalled video, Android recording capabilities? 2453 01:52:57,091 --> 01:52:59,962 But they're not activated So I asked that a second time. 2454 01:52:59,962 --> 01:53:00,902 Get it down to. 2455 01:53:00,902 --> 01:53:01,402 OK. 2456 01:53:01,402 --> 01:53:03,280 So Chief got the answer for me. 2457 01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:04,411 So their response. 2458 01:53:04,411 --> 01:53:07,081 They has the ability to be viewed live, 2459 01:53:07,081 --> 01:53:08,761 but it lacks that recording feature, 2460 01:53:08,761 --> 01:53:11,251 allowing only a real time view. 2461 01:53:11,251 --> 01:53:13,051 Currently this feature is not enabled 2462 01:53:13,051 --> 01:53:16,611 for your department All PR does not have audio capability 2463 01:53:16,611 --> 01:53:18,211 is again, my opinion. 2464 01:53:18,211 --> 01:53:21,483 I felt like it was an incomplete answer If there's the ability 2465 01:53:21,483 --> 01:53:25,861 to be alive, it feels like there has to be sometimes 2466 01:53:25,861 --> 01:53:28,920 a power to it, to a source of some type that 2467 01:53:28,920 --> 01:53:32,530 could be viewed recorded didn't like the response. 2468 01:53:32,530 --> 01:53:33,738 I felt like they were. 2469 01:53:33,738 --> 01:53:37,591 I feel like I had to keep asking the questions to make sure I got 2470 01:53:37,591 --> 01:53:41,951 a complete answer There's been a lot said 2471 01:53:41,951 --> 01:53:44,971 about the encryption of the information from the cameras 2472 01:53:44,971 --> 01:53:46,411 to the system. 2473 01:53:46,411 --> 01:53:49,711 I do think that that's probably, you know fairly safe. 2474 01:53:49,711 --> 01:53:51,631 But when they talk about encryption key, 2475 01:53:51,631 --> 01:53:53,881 they do have encryption key factors 2476 01:53:53,881 --> 01:53:56,731 And it's not clear to me, like I said earlier, 2477 01:53:56,731 --> 01:53:59,041 whether they could access it without us knowing it, 2478 01:53:59,041 --> 01:54:00,031 unless we did an audit. 2479 01:54:00,031 --> 01:54:05,161 So I wasn't real fond of that answer 2480 01:54:05,161 --> 01:54:08,041 The other thing, too, is it was said by one of our residents 2481 01:54:08,041 --> 01:54:10,201 earlier about in their promotional material. 2482 01:54:10,201 --> 01:54:12,500 So of course, I started getting stuff on Facebook right? 2483 01:54:12,500 --> 01:54:18,821 It popped up all over the place But they did talk about they 2484 01:54:18,821 --> 01:54:21,246 were promoting the data, is owned by the customer, 2485 01:54:21,246 --> 01:54:23,401 but yet they were boasting in their advertisement 2486 01:54:23,401 --> 01:54:26,701 that they could gain access to a national network right? 2487 01:54:26,701 --> 01:54:31,021 So on one hand, I felt like they've been trying to pivot 2488 01:54:31,021 --> 01:54:34,381 and say, no, it's controlled by this, by the customer 2489 01:54:34,381 --> 01:54:36,331 But then in their ads, they kept promoting this, 2490 01:54:36,331 --> 01:54:37,931 you know, gain access to national network. 2491 01:54:37,931 --> 01:54:38,431 Right? 2492 01:54:38,431 --> 01:54:40,651 So that to me, that was conflicting on the privacy 2493 01:54:40,651 --> 01:54:42,661 concerns that people have. 2494 01:54:42,661 --> 01:54:45,751 So I definitely saw that recently. 2495 01:54:45,751 --> 01:54:47,761 I think it was last week they came out with a couple 2496 01:54:47,761 --> 01:54:55,081 modifications So, you know, one was to reduce the data retention 2497 01:54:55,081 --> 01:54:58,643 default rate, which they said was off But two, 2498 01:54:58,643 --> 01:55:00,061 to other to other agencies. 2499 01:55:00,061 --> 01:55:02,731 But now data retention, they said 30 to 7 days. 2500 01:55:02,731 --> 01:55:04,831 Well, the customer had already possessed the option 2501 01:55:04,831 --> 01:55:08,102 to control the data retention timeline So in my opinion, what 2502 01:55:08,102 --> 01:55:09,421 did that do? 2503 01:55:09,421 --> 01:55:11,371 The chief already knew he can restricted to one day 2504 01:55:11,371 --> 01:55:14,821 if he wanted to, right So I don't know what that 2505 01:55:14,821 --> 01:55:20,131 accomplished And I've seen other law enforcement agencies 2506 01:55:20,131 --> 01:55:22,511 talk about the 30 days. 2507 01:55:22,511 --> 01:55:23,011 Right. 2508 01:55:23,011 --> 01:55:25,051 And they never mentioned that they had the knowledge 2509 01:55:25,051 --> 01:55:27,811 to be able to further restrict that or control that, 2510 01:55:27,811 --> 01:55:31,051 that the retention timeline And again, this 2511 01:55:31,051 --> 01:55:35,311 goes back to for me personally was 2512 01:55:35,311 --> 01:55:39,571 floc provides in the right type of knowledge and instruction. 2513 01:55:39,571 --> 01:55:45,391 One, these cameras all these cities were issued that hey, 2514 01:55:45,391 --> 01:55:47,251 here's what you need to do to control 2515 01:55:47,251 --> 01:55:49,411 who accesses your system. 2516 01:55:49,411 --> 01:55:51,631 Here's what you can do to, you know, 2517 01:55:51,631 --> 01:55:53,671 if you want to decrease the length of your 30 days 2518 01:55:53,671 --> 01:55:57,811 down to whatever days there are signs that cities 2519 01:55:57,811 --> 01:55:59,071 did not know about this yet. 2520 01:55:59,071 --> 01:56:01,746 They were still, again broadcasting or promoting 2521 01:56:01,746 --> 01:56:05,851 that, you could gain access to national network The other thing 2522 01:56:05,851 --> 01:56:07,291 that I really found disappointing 2523 01:56:07,291 --> 01:56:10,471 is that they blame the police with 2524 01:56:10,471 --> 01:56:12,575 and there were some incidents right, where they're 2525 01:56:12,575 --> 01:56:16,534 accessing unauthorized access to the Fox systems 2526 01:56:16,534 --> 01:56:17,263 attracting people. 2527 01:56:17,263 --> 01:56:19,531 They weren't supposed to unauthorized use 2528 01:56:19,531 --> 01:56:22,411 But I felt like instead of taking responsibility for some 2529 01:56:22,411 --> 01:56:23,588 of the things, some of the missteps 2530 01:56:23,588 --> 01:56:25,321 some of the misinformation that's been put out there 2531 01:56:25,321 --> 01:56:28,081 over the past months or the past year, 2532 01:56:28,081 --> 01:56:30,451 I felt like they put the blame just on the police. 2533 01:56:30,451 --> 01:56:33,841 And I found that to be a responsible. 2534 01:56:33,841 --> 01:56:36,361 I hope that you all feel like we have a good police department 2535 01:56:36,361 --> 01:56:37,741 here. 2536 01:56:37,741 --> 01:56:40,081 We have a policy just like whether you have medical 2537 01:56:40,081 --> 01:56:41,221 or attorneys or whatever. 2538 01:56:41,221 --> 01:56:42,901 I mean, they're prone to be violated 2539 01:56:42,901 --> 01:56:46,051 by people that, you know, have a will to want to violate. 2540 01:56:46,051 --> 01:56:48,928 And we have to hold those people accountable all. 2541 01:56:48,928 --> 01:56:51,781 But at a local level, my opinion I 2542 01:56:51,781 --> 01:56:53,941 think Chief Meyer listened and saw what he, 2543 01:56:53,941 --> 01:56:57,481 you know, with other county, some issues They had immigration 2544 01:56:57,481 --> 01:56:59,516 and he learned from that and try to tighten up the policy. 2545 01:56:59,516 --> 01:57:00,616 There's probably still some more. 2546 01:57:00,616 --> 01:57:03,091 We could do to make it even tighter. 2547 01:57:03,091 --> 01:57:05,011 But again, for Flock to come out like that 2548 01:57:05,011 --> 01:57:07,891 and and I watch a couple of the interviews with the CEO, 2549 01:57:07,891 --> 01:57:10,801 I just thought that that was not taken 2550 01:57:10,801 --> 01:57:13,411 the appropriate responsibility for some of these missteps that 2551 01:57:13,411 --> 01:57:17,671 have happened in my opinion, the city north branch should not 2552 01:57:17,671 --> 01:57:21,451 owe anything further to this contract I know what the city 2553 01:57:21,451 --> 01:57:24,391 attorney said, but I think there's a lot out there a lot 2554 01:57:24,391 --> 01:57:27,421 of misrepresentation, a lot of answers 2555 01:57:27,421 --> 01:57:33,121 that were not brought forthright with, with enough completeness. 2556 01:57:33,121 --> 01:57:35,671 And I think we should fight it. 2557 01:57:35,671 --> 01:57:37,081 So that's why I'm out with this. 2558 01:57:37,081 --> 01:57:48,991 I'll love you Let them have two most loyal and good in you know, 2559 01:57:48,991 --> 01:57:50,341 obviously, and I can probably talk 2560 01:57:50,341 --> 01:57:52,051 to Jesse because I feel like we've got 2561 01:57:52,051 --> 01:57:53,311 a lot better situation here. 2562 01:57:53,311 --> 01:57:56,101 But or in interaction. 2563 01:57:56,101 --> 01:57:58,951 But I do think that, you know, there's been enough signs 2564 01:57:58,951 --> 01:58:01,051 that there can be good. 2565 01:58:01,051 --> 01:58:04,317 You know, you supported this type of technology. 2566 01:58:04,317 --> 01:58:05,791 But there's so much mistrust. 2567 01:58:05,791 --> 01:58:07,981 And that's kind of where I'm going with this is, 2568 01:58:07,981 --> 01:58:11,131 I think for the safety company, created so much mistrust by not 2569 01:58:11,131 --> 01:58:12,511 being forthright when questioned about 2570 01:58:12,511 --> 01:58:14,971 their product that we as a city cannot defend 2571 01:58:14,971 --> 01:58:16,561 many of these allegations. 2572 01:58:16,561 --> 01:58:19,381 And I feel like it put us in a very difficult situation as they 2573 01:58:19,381 --> 01:58:22,831 have other cities, counties, wherever those agencies are 2574 01:58:22,831 --> 01:58:25,441 And that's why I make the statement that I am. 2575 01:58:25,441 --> 01:58:27,241 I think that we have to continue to look 2576 01:58:27,241 --> 01:58:29,281 at technology to help our law enforcement, 2577 01:58:29,281 --> 01:58:31,441 to keep our public safe. 2578 01:58:31,441 --> 01:58:33,184 But let's have expanded conversations. 2579 01:58:33,184 --> 01:58:34,772 Let's make sure that everybody understands 2580 01:58:34,772 --> 01:58:37,681 the Delta, what that means. 2581 01:58:37,681 --> 01:58:40,129 You know, I certainly learn a lot over the summer. 2582 01:58:40,129 --> 01:58:40,629 Yes. 2583 01:58:40,629 --> 01:58:43,451 I don't know if we can agree on everything but I do understand. 2584 01:58:43,451 --> 01:58:45,271 I have listened and there's a lot of things 2585 01:58:45,271 --> 01:58:46,621 that I'm seeing evidence. 2586 01:58:46,621 --> 01:58:49,591 Right, of some of the concerns, the privacy And so that's 2587 01:58:49,591 --> 01:58:51,661 where I'm at with this point. 2588 01:58:51,661 --> 01:58:54,751 I have felt that we should push towards council on the contract 2589 01:58:54,751 --> 01:58:57,031 just because there's too much mistrust that we can't we 2590 01:58:57,031 --> 01:58:58,861 can't resolve right now And I think 2591 01:58:58,861 --> 01:59:01,021 we have to have a continuing conversation with our police 2592 01:59:01,021 --> 01:59:03,241 department and our chief and make 2593 01:59:03,241 --> 01:59:06,601 sure that we are on some emotional values tonight. 2594 01:59:06,601 --> 01:59:08,671 So that's big for me for our public safety value. 2595 01:59:08,671 --> 01:59:11,071 So if we value our public safety and there's things 2596 01:59:11,071 --> 01:59:12,691 that we can do to help make it better 2597 01:59:12,691 --> 01:59:15,061 or help our law enforcement enforce or catch 2598 01:59:15,061 --> 01:59:19,681 these criminals, I'm all for it But with this technology, 2599 01:59:19,681 --> 01:59:21,336 there's just too much up in the air right now. 2600 01:59:21,336 --> 01:59:24,791 I just when I said pause, I just meant like a long term pause 2601 01:59:24,791 --> 01:59:29,311 to say, we need to look at this deeper before we implement it, 2602 01:59:29,311 --> 01:59:32,881 because it's just taken over the country right now. 2603 01:59:32,881 --> 01:59:36,571 So i know if there's any comment or feedback from the council. 2604 01:59:36,571 --> 01:59:40,231 But i've done a lot of digging too, 2605 01:59:40,231 --> 01:59:44,671 and a lot of watching different council meetings 2606 01:59:44,671 --> 01:59:46,321 and public comments and stuff. 2607 01:59:46,321 --> 01:59:48,751 So Mr. Mayor, go ahead. 2608 01:59:48,751 --> 01:59:49,651 Maybe. 2609 01:59:49,651 --> 01:59:52,741 Or the Public Safety Committee bring that up and maybe 2610 01:59:52,741 --> 01:59:57,346 invite the city attorney during one of our meetings 2611 01:59:57,346 --> 01:59:59,341 to see what avenues we have. 2612 01:59:59,341 --> 02:00:01,903 Yeah, that would be my suggestion. is there 2613 02:00:01,903 --> 02:00:03,361 a discussion off for three? 2614 02:00:03,361 --> 02:00:05,731 You know a free service, right. 2615 02:00:05,731 --> 02:00:07,111 To counties for several months. 2616 02:00:07,111 --> 02:00:07,981 Right. 2617 02:00:07,981 --> 02:00:10,321 And we were showing concerns and areas 2618 02:00:10,321 --> 02:00:13,321 that we can't defend because of what I in my opinion, 2619 02:00:13,321 --> 02:00:14,941 I'm not going to speak for the rest of you 2620 02:00:14,941 --> 02:00:17,371 or misrepresent Haitians. 2621 02:00:17,371 --> 02:00:19,741 Not answering some of the questions 2622 02:00:19,741 --> 02:00:21,841 complete enough where it feels like there maybe 2623 02:00:21,841 --> 02:00:24,481 evading some of the answers. 2624 02:00:24,481 --> 02:00:26,761 I feel like we have a right to fight this 2625 02:00:26,761 --> 02:00:29,671 and that's why I have ever been such a big help. 2626 02:00:29,671 --> 02:00:30,481 See what happens. 2627 02:00:30,481 --> 02:00:33,211 We have OK. 2628 02:00:33,211 --> 02:00:36,627 That's what I'm like, you, I think, for safety It 2629 02:00:36,627 --> 02:00:38,521 just they really did. 2630 02:00:38,521 --> 02:00:40,441 They did a disservice to themselves 2631 02:00:40,441 --> 02:00:43,789 by not being forthright We answered When you asked 2632 02:00:43,789 --> 02:00:46,711 questions, I ask questions and and some of the 2633 02:00:46,711 --> 02:00:50,701 give and take between the Q&A that we had for the past year 2634 02:00:50,701 --> 02:00:52,801 and seems like we've been deceived. 2635 02:00:52,801 --> 02:00:55,321 Maybe that's too rough. 2636 02:00:55,321 --> 02:00:57,841 It's like we had to draw information out to them. 2637 02:00:57,841 --> 02:01:01,981 This is we could do this one, two, three, four, five. 2638 02:01:01,981 --> 02:01:04,891 So i think that the I think the technology is there. 2639 02:01:04,891 --> 02:01:08,103 I want the technology there for our law enforcement 2640 02:01:08,103 --> 02:01:09,661 our law enforcement. 2641 02:01:09,661 --> 02:01:10,621 There's some investigation. 2642 02:01:10,621 --> 02:01:12,421 I hadn't I was on the street. 2643 02:01:12,421 --> 02:01:16,831 I wish we had put the find kidnapping, 2644 02:01:16,831 --> 02:01:18,691 murder before the person was murdered. 2645 02:01:18,691 --> 02:01:22,621 Okay I've seen a whole town devastated by a young lady that 2646 02:01:22,621 --> 02:01:26,221 was murdered because of the actions of a 2647 02:01:26,221 --> 02:01:28,711 you know, of an individual. 2648 02:01:28,711 --> 02:01:33,571 So i wish the Fox safety could have been doing a better job. 2649 02:01:33,571 --> 02:01:36,781 I I'm of the opinion, this mayor Yeah. 2650 02:01:36,781 --> 02:01:42,541 Their response tells a lot to our proposed action 2651 02:01:42,541 --> 02:01:46,180 I would recommend we also never do business with flock again. 2652 02:01:46,180 --> 02:01:46,932 I would just. 2653 02:01:46,932 --> 02:01:48,435 Well, that's the other thing too. 2654 02:01:48,435 --> 02:01:49,861 I mean they've got other technologies, 2655 02:01:49,861 --> 02:01:52,021 but there's not going to be any business from, say, North Branch 2656 02:01:52,021 --> 02:01:54,211 if you know the approach they're going to take and not want 2657 02:01:54,211 --> 02:01:57,514 to hold themselves accountable responsible for some 2658 02:01:57,514 --> 02:02:00,134 of the things that have happened It's happened to many places. 2659 02:02:00,134 --> 02:02:03,841 And that's the sense I got from appleton, Wisconsin, 2660 02:02:03,841 --> 02:02:06,391 and Brooklyn Park Columbia Heights, 2661 02:02:06,391 --> 02:02:11,071 a little bit is the answers were not forthright enough 2662 02:02:11,071 --> 02:02:12,961 until they get a question. 2663 02:02:12,961 --> 02:02:14,131 And so it creates mistrust. 2664 02:02:14,131 --> 02:02:17,821 And again I'll say it again, we as a city cannot defend many 2665 02:02:17,821 --> 02:02:20,492 of the allegations because of their actions and the way they 2666 02:02:20,492 --> 02:02:22,979 responded So to your point, I think they 2667 02:02:22,979 --> 02:02:24,185 shot themselves in the foot. 2668 02:02:24,185 --> 02:02:24,685 Sure. 2669 02:02:24,685 --> 02:02:29,009 And you know, us and others are paying the price 2670 02:02:29,009 --> 02:02:31,861 You know, the comments are our response are, Matthew, anything 2671 02:02:31,861 --> 02:02:36,763 you questions you have or nothing at this time, 2672 02:02:36,763 --> 02:02:39,571 I just would like some specific direction or direction. 2673 02:02:39,571 --> 02:02:40,441 That's what I would say. 2674 02:02:40,441 --> 02:02:42,590 Should we provide at least the written notice portion 2675 02:02:42,590 --> 02:02:46,741 and then seek council advice on how to go forward? 2676 02:02:46,741 --> 02:02:47,341 I think so. 2677 02:02:47,341 --> 02:02:50,431 I think the right answer is to just say we want to cancel it, 2678 02:02:50,431 --> 02:02:52,261 but we've already paid in the first year. 2679 02:02:52,261 --> 02:02:55,759 But I have no intention to approve of your two and three 2680 02:02:55,759 --> 02:02:56,335 right. 2681 02:02:56,335 --> 02:02:59,215 And furthermore, I'm not even sure we should even 2682 02:02:59,215 --> 02:03:01,231 pay for the full amount just because 2683 02:03:01,231 --> 02:03:04,561 of everything that's happened, that that's my personal opinion. 2684 02:03:04,561 --> 02:03:06,781 Yeah, but we've already paid it, right. 2685 02:03:06,781 --> 02:03:08,582 Legal action on that afterwards. 2686 02:03:08,582 --> 02:03:10,301 But there's nothing holding up right. 2687 02:03:10,301 --> 02:03:11,491 Written. 2688 02:03:11,491 --> 02:03:12,301 Exactly. 2689 02:03:12,301 --> 02:03:14,221 So I'll make the motion to provide formal written 2690 02:03:14,221 --> 02:03:16,291 notice to flock safety, to terminate 2691 02:03:16,291 --> 02:03:18,301 and cancel current contract. 2692 02:03:18,301 --> 02:03:19,372 I'll second that. 2693 02:03:19,372 --> 02:03:19,945 OK. 2694 02:03:19,945 --> 02:03:22,527 And not to renew and not to renew. 2695 02:03:22,527 --> 02:03:24,631 And we have a second. 2696 02:03:24,631 --> 02:03:27,421 And the other guidance you need, Matthew as we 2697 02:03:27,421 --> 02:03:30,727 move forward So the contract is signed, the middle of May. 2698 02:03:30,727 --> 02:03:31,833 So we've got time on that. 2699 02:03:31,833 --> 02:03:33,097 First we got time to work through. 2700 02:03:33,097 --> 02:03:34,279 This is my point. 2701 02:03:34,279 --> 02:03:34,987 Right. 2702 02:03:34,987 --> 02:03:35,695 So. 2703 02:03:35,695 --> 02:03:36,403 OK. 2704 02:03:36,403 --> 02:03:37,741 All right All in favor. 2705 02:03:37,741 --> 02:03:42,721 Signify by saying I I opposed zoom type 2706 02:03:42,721 --> 02:03:48,650 assignment takes up for this needs All right move 2707 02:03:48,650 --> 02:03:49,597 on to the budget. 2708 02:03:49,597 --> 02:03:51,492 So I know a lot of you came for flock 2709 02:03:51,492 --> 02:03:53,329 and encourages day for the budget to if you can. 2710 02:03:53,329 --> 02:03:57,001 But if you can't I understand so our finance director Sharon 2711 02:03:57,001 --> 02:04:00,991 right to kick us off mayor and council 2712 02:04:00,991 --> 02:04:09,132 thank you so the on the proposed levy spreadsheet, 2713 02:04:09,132 --> 02:04:16,501 I have it marked out that it would require a 2.29% increase 2714 02:04:16,501 --> 02:04:22,561 to not increase to not do anything other than just 2715 02:04:22,561 --> 02:04:31,861 the Berryman, which is the the pay increase and then 2716 02:04:31,861 --> 02:04:40,306 from there it would just be sorry it. 2717 02:04:40,306 --> 02:04:45,991 So let me start over with that. 2718 02:04:45,991 --> 02:04:52,411 OK The current budget analysis indicates 2719 02:04:52,411 --> 02:04:55,561 a 2.29 increase in levy revenue is 2720 02:04:55,561 --> 02:05:00,091 needed to maintain general fund expenses at the base level. 2721 02:05:00,091 --> 02:05:00,605 Thank you. 2722 02:05:00,605 --> 02:05:02,221 Maintain what we have. 2723 02:05:02,221 --> 02:05:04,291 Yes Not to not do nothing right. 2724 02:05:04,291 --> 02:05:11,521 So that's all the difference there So the citywide estimated 2725 02:05:11,521 --> 02:05:14,701 market value is projected to increase 2726 02:05:14,701 --> 02:05:26,101 6.68% from 1.6 8,000,000,026 to 1.8 billion and 27. 2727 02:05:26,101 --> 02:05:33,361 This includes approximately 32.6 million and new construction 2728 02:05:33,361 --> 02:05:39,361 applying the 6.68% estimate of market value growth would result 2729 02:05:39,361 --> 02:05:46,428 in approximate only 7 million in levy revenue about 288,228 out 2730 02:05:46,428 --> 02:05:52,531 of the additional revenue could help offset increase staffing 2731 02:05:52,531 --> 02:06:02,761 and health insurance costs three potential new positions zoning 2732 02:06:02,761 --> 02:06:06,511 and increased health insurance cost total approximately 2733 02:06:06,511 --> 02:06:10,711 489,000, leaving about 201,000. 2734 02:06:10,711 --> 02:06:13,861 That would need to be addressed through an additional levy 2735 02:06:13,861 --> 02:06:16,171 increase. 2736 02:06:16,171 --> 02:06:19,145 The proposed contribution for the equipment 2737 02:06:19,145 --> 02:06:23,251 replacement fund has been reduced from 300,000 to 150,000. 2738 02:06:23,251 --> 02:06:28,141 Even with this reduction, the levy levy revenue increase 2739 02:06:28,141 --> 02:06:35,431 is currently estimated at 8.69. 2740 02:06:35,431 --> 02:06:38,701 I think that might be a typo before accounting 2741 02:06:38,701 --> 02:06:43,381 for the additional staffing costs 2742 02:06:43,381 --> 02:06:45,271 Now that is the it's correct this correct. 2743 02:06:45,271 --> 02:06:45,901 Appreciate it. 2744 02:06:45,901 --> 02:06:46,441 Is. 2745 02:06:46,441 --> 02:06:48,211 Okay. 2746 02:06:48,211 --> 02:06:50,941 After including the potential staffing costs, 2747 02:06:50,941 --> 02:06:55,801 the current proposed levy increase is approximately 11.37 2748 02:06:55,801 --> 02:06:58,051 over the prior year. 2749 02:06:58,051 --> 02:07:01,681 So these potential staffing additions 2750 02:07:01,681 --> 02:07:05,581 would include a community service officer or that 2751 02:07:05,581 --> 02:07:12,001 would take over the code enforcement that is currently 2752 02:07:12,001 --> 02:07:15,061 taking up quite a bit of our building 2753 02:07:15,061 --> 02:07:19,711 Inspector slash code enforcement person Stein And so 2754 02:07:19,711 --> 02:07:23,911 with the current situation with the building department 2755 02:07:23,911 --> 02:07:27,061 it would free up some of his time to be able to help more 2756 02:07:27,061 --> 02:07:30,871 with the building inspections And that would give 2757 02:07:30,871 --> 02:07:34,021 a person to the police department who could help 2758 02:07:34,021 --> 02:07:40,651 with nonstop on tasks that need to be accomplished 2759 02:07:40,651 --> 02:07:45,751 and then another patrol officer to try to give us moving 2760 02:07:45,751 --> 02:07:52,501 towards that staffing level that was 2761 02:07:52,501 --> 02:07:56,731 discussed with council by our H, our general list 2762 02:07:56,731 --> 02:07:58,381 earlier this year. 2763 02:07:58,381 --> 02:08:02,311 I believe he had to many as the ideal number 2764 02:08:02,311 --> 02:08:08,341 for our size of entity in order to have 2765 02:08:08,341 --> 02:08:11,161 proper staff at all times. 2766 02:08:11,161 --> 02:08:20,341 And then a parks manager that would function similarly to what 2767 02:08:20,341 --> 02:08:24,601 Nate used to do before he became the community development 2768 02:08:24,601 --> 02:08:28,651 director And that would help with Gill as well 2769 02:08:28,651 --> 02:08:32,311 as the management of the concerts and the parks, 2770 02:08:32,311 --> 02:08:39,512 the skating rinks and helping to guide the structure and improve 2771 02:08:39,512 --> 02:08:44,851 payments in the parks areas So for health insurance, 2772 02:08:44,851 --> 02:08:49,621 the budget initially assumed a 5% health insurance increase 2773 02:08:49,621 --> 02:08:54,871 and a request was made to budget for a 15% increase, which 2774 02:08:54,871 --> 02:08:58,651 adds approximately 118,000. 2775 02:08:58,651 --> 02:09:01,291 So that was put in through that number 2776 02:09:01,291 --> 02:09:11,731 that 2015 88 that leads to the 11.37 increase based 2777 02:09:11,731 --> 02:09:14,941 on discussions with staff and the city self-funded plan 2778 02:09:14,941 --> 02:09:19,321 through the 49 ERs fringe benefits 2779 02:09:19,321 --> 02:09:24,121 program because that's a self-fund a plan. 2780 02:09:24,121 --> 02:09:29,941 The increase is expected to be closer to 10% 2781 02:09:29,941 --> 02:09:32,011 and we will continue to move monitor 2782 02:09:32,011 --> 02:09:36,631 insurance costs and other budget factors as the levy is refined. 2783 02:09:36,631 --> 02:09:41,581 The current budget discussion reflects an estimated 11.37 2784 02:09:41,581 --> 02:09:46,381 levy revenue increase driven primarily by potential staffing 2785 02:09:46,381 --> 02:09:51,301 additions health insurance costs and the need to maintain funding 2786 02:09:51,301 --> 02:09:54,631 for city operations While the equipment replacement fund 2787 02:09:54,631 --> 02:10:00,991 contribution has been reduced to help manage the overall increase 2788 02:10:00,991 --> 02:10:03,391 I would like to mention that when 2789 02:10:03,391 --> 02:10:12,571 we add the debt to that it does bring it up to 12.65% increase. 2790 02:10:12,571 --> 02:10:14,071 Which jet are we talking about? 2791 02:10:14,071 --> 02:10:16,883 The debt that's paid out of the levy? 2792 02:10:16,883 --> 02:10:24,481 OK So with that, if you have any questions, Sharon, 2793 02:10:24,481 --> 02:10:30,541 how i would have liked to have seen that like a mandatory stuff 2794 02:10:30,541 --> 02:10:32,311 The health health insurance increases, right? 2795 02:10:32,311 --> 02:10:33,571 The stuff that has to happen. 2796 02:10:33,571 --> 02:10:36,931 Right The debt bonds before we add anything else on there 2797 02:10:36,931 --> 02:10:39,131 because you're moving up to a different percentages. 2798 02:10:39,131 --> 02:10:39,631 Right. 2799 02:10:39,631 --> 02:10:42,691 And all of a sudden, up to 11% with the debt bonds. 2800 02:10:42,691 --> 02:10:45,331 But we take out the three positions 2801 02:10:45,331 --> 02:10:47,941 and anything else that's maybe we don't have right now. 2802 02:10:47,941 --> 02:10:49,561 What is that percentage? 2803 02:10:49,561 --> 02:10:52,031 Can you bring up a spreadsheet? 2804 02:10:52,031 --> 02:10:54,633 Yeah, it is broken down. 2805 02:10:54,633 --> 02:11:00,698 And it's a little bit Good question Yes, Thank you. 2806 02:11:00,698 --> 02:11:03,001 That one. 2807 02:11:03,001 --> 02:11:07,981 So the way this is laid out is so that we 2808 02:11:07,981 --> 02:11:13,471 can do that with these and see the percentages 2809 02:11:13,471 --> 02:11:15,421 as they increase. 2810 02:11:15,421 --> 02:11:20,491 And because the most of this is affecting the general fund where 2811 02:11:20,491 --> 02:11:27,719 the debt is affecting that funds that's why the debt is down 2812 02:11:27,719 --> 02:11:30,121 further on the spreadsheet. 2813 02:11:30,121 --> 02:11:39,876 So if you if you look at the bottom if you scroll down, 2814 02:11:39,876 --> 02:11:46,351 right, you can see the 2.29% with the arrow which shows where 2815 02:11:46,351 --> 02:11:51,481 we would be at with just the general fund where it's 2816 02:11:51,481 --> 02:11:57,691 at without insurance increase, without the insurer increase 2817 02:11:57,691 --> 02:11:59,611 to 15%. 2818 02:11:59,611 --> 02:12:08,311 And but that's without staff And no equipment So 2819 02:12:08,311 --> 02:12:16,321 then when we add the when we bring it up to the 6.6, 2820 02:12:16,321 --> 02:12:23,671 8%, that is what the county has estimated at the market 2821 02:12:23,671 --> 02:12:26,881 values that that increases. 2822 02:12:26,881 --> 02:12:31,231 That's what gives us that 288,228. 2823 02:12:31,231 --> 02:12:43,441 That was an up higher right there So that is money that 2824 02:12:43,441 --> 02:12:47,761 if we match the county at that 6.68, we would have 2825 02:12:47,761 --> 02:12:51,811 $288,000 to go toward wards. 2826 02:12:51,811 --> 02:12:58,051 It could be the insurance it could be staff it could be 2827 02:12:58,051 --> 02:13:02,701 equipment So any of these that would 2828 02:13:02,701 --> 02:13:15,571 be considered optional or new would fall into that category. 2829 02:13:15,571 --> 02:13:16,741 Sharon, you have a separate break 2830 02:13:16,741 --> 02:13:21,331 out where because right now we're kind of mixing what we 2831 02:13:21,331 --> 02:13:24,001 could do with the anticipated natural increase in the home 2832 02:13:24,001 --> 02:13:28,351 values right We put that aside and just look at the budget 2833 02:13:28,351 --> 02:13:30,841 and say, all right, we know we're going to have increases 2834 02:13:30,841 --> 02:13:36,181 in labor whatever the inflation was for equipment, supplies, all 2835 02:13:36,181 --> 02:13:42,721 that stuff So do you want to look at the the expenditures 2836 02:13:42,721 --> 02:13:49,381 themselves Yeah, because and this is kind of the hard part 2837 02:13:49,381 --> 02:13:50,725 is it's really buried in the right 2838 02:13:50,725 --> 02:13:53,533 was kind of historical right Hey we're going to get this revenue. 2839 02:13:53,533 --> 02:13:56,341 So we got to spend this money to match it, right? 2840 02:13:56,341 --> 02:13:57,841 That's what I'm struggling with. 2841 02:13:57,841 --> 02:14:00,811 And the I would like to think that that 2842 02:14:00,811 --> 02:14:05,431 isn't what we are trying to do. 2843 02:14:05,431 --> 02:14:11,341 We're not trying to say that we have more revenue so we need 2844 02:14:11,341 --> 02:14:17,521 to spend it right That's why on this budget form, 2845 02:14:17,521 --> 02:14:23,251 the second column to the right that we need 27 2846 02:14:23,251 --> 02:14:26,371 proposed without new positions that 2847 02:14:26,371 --> 02:14:31,741 is what the total cost to do. 2848 02:14:31,741 --> 02:14:36,301 The bare minimum, the base amount for 2027 2849 02:14:36,301 --> 02:14:39,751 would cost the city That's no new positions, 2850 02:14:39,751 --> 02:14:41,611 that's no equipment. 2851 02:14:41,611 --> 02:14:46,591 But that does not include an increase in the insurance 2852 02:14:46,591 --> 02:14:52,306 because that that would take me quite a bit 2853 02:14:52,306 --> 02:14:57,301 to try to enter that across the whole city 2854 02:14:57,301 --> 02:14:59,641 and get it reflected in these. 2855 02:14:59,641 --> 02:15:04,351 And if we're not applying that, then I have to take it back out. 2856 02:15:04,351 --> 02:15:09,601 So that's why I treated that 15% increase as an addition to what 2857 02:15:09,601 --> 02:15:15,181 we have with so with the 5%, I want to be smarter 2858 02:15:15,181 --> 02:15:16,801 to just add the 15% in there. 2859 02:15:16,801 --> 02:15:18,481 And then once we get our numbers in October, 2860 02:15:18,481 --> 02:15:21,061 if it's less than that, then when we go to our final. 2861 02:15:21,061 --> 02:15:23,092 Yeah, it was my recommendation to go to the 15 2862 02:15:23,092 --> 02:15:26,808 because estimates initially at 12 to 20 was the, 2863 02:15:26,808 --> 02:15:27,841 I think the number you gave me. 2864 02:15:27,841 --> 02:15:30,301 That's why we said go to 15, especially 2865 02:15:30,301 --> 02:15:32,761 with the budget process, right? 2866 02:15:32,761 --> 02:15:36,301 We cannot raise our initial right September vote. 2867 02:15:36,301 --> 02:15:40,111 So I wanted to play it a little bit on the side 2868 02:15:40,111 --> 02:15:42,091 And Sharon, I think I think we're close 2869 02:15:42,091 --> 02:15:43,651 and how we lay this out, I think I just 2870 02:15:43,651 --> 02:15:47,531 want to clarify on the 2.29%, that would be the annualized 2871 02:15:47,531 --> 02:15:48,750 salaries for everybody. 2872 02:15:48,750 --> 02:15:53,058 We hired this year, correct So a full year rate. 2873 02:15:53,058 --> 02:15:56,021 And then planned increases in salaries. 2874 02:15:56,021 --> 02:15:56,521 Yes. 2875 02:15:56,521 --> 02:16:01,321 So the union contracts have stated that employees are 2876 02:16:01,321 --> 02:16:05,581 to get the 3.25% increase with the exception 2877 02:16:05,581 --> 02:16:10,641 of the police It's a little less union, 2878 02:16:10,641 --> 02:16:14,773 which has not been reached yet. 2879 02:16:14,773 --> 02:16:18,301 And this would also include funding of all the general fund 2880 02:16:18,301 --> 02:16:22,861 items for every department, you know, like equipment for police 2881 02:16:22,861 --> 02:16:25,201 department and gravel for public works 2882 02:16:25,201 --> 02:16:26,251 or whatever would be applied. 2883 02:16:26,251 --> 02:16:32,581 So on the equipment that would be out of the equipment fund 2884 02:16:32,581 --> 02:16:39,931 and they're currently in this the second to last column 2885 02:16:39,931 --> 02:16:48,361 There is no equipment in that number When I say equipment, 2886 02:16:48,361 --> 02:16:51,541 I'm talking more about, like, the standard amount of equipment 2887 02:16:51,541 --> 02:16:55,771 that this chief would buy today or, you know, 2888 02:16:55,771 --> 02:16:57,714 like you have traffic signs in there. 2889 02:16:57,714 --> 02:16:59,911 For example, it's standard budget line items 2890 02:16:59,911 --> 02:17:01,351 to continue running the city. 2891 02:17:01,351 --> 02:17:04,351 It's not like we're starting from zero in every department, 2892 02:17:04,351 --> 02:17:04,891 right? 2893 02:17:04,891 --> 02:17:08,491 So, yes, that that's what I'm implying Yes. 2894 02:17:08,491 --> 02:17:11,311 And so I think the real question Kevin, where 2895 02:17:11,311 --> 02:17:12,631 you're going with this, too, is, okay, 2896 02:17:12,631 --> 02:17:14,131 so now we have that baseline. 2897 02:17:14,131 --> 02:17:17,401 If you add in the 118,000, I think 2898 02:17:17,401 --> 02:17:21,301 for insurance that's the kind of do nothing plan right? 2899 02:17:21,301 --> 02:17:23,171 Well, maintain, maintain our current standard, right? 2900 02:17:23,171 --> 02:17:23,671 Yep. 2901 02:17:23,671 --> 02:17:26,582 And then then entertain a additions. 2902 02:17:26,582 --> 02:17:27,082 Correct. 2903 02:17:27,082 --> 02:17:29,401 And then really list that full list of additions. 2904 02:17:29,401 --> 02:17:31,201 And we have that discussion. 2905 02:17:31,201 --> 02:17:32,371 What we're trying to do right now 2906 02:17:32,371 --> 02:17:33,841 is just kind of give it all on a page 2907 02:17:33,841 --> 02:17:37,271 to understand where we're at kind of on this back and forth 2908 02:17:37,271 --> 02:17:37,771 a little bit. 2909 02:17:37,771 --> 02:17:39,638 And I think the numbers even moved a little bit since we 2910 02:17:39,638 --> 02:17:41,633 saw insurance be one of them. 2911 02:17:41,633 --> 02:17:42,808 But it is pretty fluid. 2912 02:17:42,808 --> 02:17:47,641 This time of year Yeah. 2913 02:17:47,641 --> 02:17:50,641 So One of the things that I had asked to is with the three 2914 02:17:50,641 --> 02:17:52,411 positions, I had a conversation with Matthew 2915 02:17:52,411 --> 02:17:59,641 about this all like I don't the parks manager thing, who's doing 2916 02:17:59,641 --> 02:18:03,604 the gas right now, who is doing this because of my understanding 2917 02:18:03,604 --> 02:18:05,161 that was Ryan is a city planner, was 2918 02:18:05,161 --> 02:18:07,531 taking on more of that stuff. 2919 02:18:07,531 --> 02:18:10,951 So now I've got bigger questions about between this position. 2920 02:18:10,951 --> 02:18:14,101 Ryan, the city planner and the parks manager position 2921 02:18:14,101 --> 02:18:16,471 There's bigger questions about how they all interact 2922 02:18:16,471 --> 02:18:19,171 with each other that we're not going to solve tonight, 2923 02:18:19,171 --> 02:18:22,051 but it helps me make a decision on 2924 02:18:22,051 --> 02:18:28,291 do we think that's a priority right now You know, 2925 02:18:28,291 --> 02:18:30,181 so our position descriptions, you 2926 02:18:30,181 --> 02:18:33,241 know how you know what it looks like, right place, same thing. 2927 02:18:33,241 --> 02:18:36,811 I mean, I'd love to see and i love 2928 02:18:36,811 --> 02:18:38,521 to have more police officers, you know, 2929 02:18:38,521 --> 02:18:40,532 if it's going to help with coverage. 2930 02:18:40,532 --> 02:18:43,681 People are sick training all those vacation 2931 02:18:43,681 --> 02:18:44,857 in a perfect world, right. 2932 02:18:44,857 --> 02:18:47,191 We have coverage, but it's not always perfect world each week, 2933 02:18:47,191 --> 02:18:50,761 right, Jeff So but you know, if we add one 2934 02:18:50,761 --> 02:18:52,411 or if we don't add one, that's my question. 2935 02:18:52,411 --> 02:18:54,481 I know that you have asset to you and Sharon, too, 2936 02:18:54,481 --> 02:18:58,115 but if we don't do something help paint the picture. 2937 02:18:58,115 --> 02:19:01,711 What's the negative impact going to be for 2027? 2938 02:19:01,711 --> 02:19:02,851 I mean, for it or against it? 2939 02:19:02,851 --> 02:19:06,871 Just paint a picture for me that helps me understand whether I 2940 02:19:06,871 --> 02:19:09,631 need to push towards, you know, putting that in our budget 2941 02:19:09,631 --> 02:19:11,791 or not And then how I can defend that, 2942 02:19:11,791 --> 02:19:16,819 you know and explain that with our residents, our taxpayers. 2943 02:19:16,819 --> 02:19:20,343 I know I put that in my 2027 goals. 2944 02:19:20,343 --> 02:19:23,551 Is the position descriptions is as well. 2945 02:19:23,551 --> 02:19:25,553 Are we utilizing then to each employee? 2946 02:19:25,553 --> 02:19:26,053 No. 2947 02:19:26,053 --> 02:19:33,631 Other aspects Asians and responsibilities and you 2948 02:19:33,631 --> 02:19:36,247 know during either the course of appraisals or one 2949 02:19:36,247 --> 02:19:37,231 on one meetings. 2950 02:19:37,231 --> 02:19:39,938 So I mean, that was one of them too. 2951 02:19:39,938 --> 02:19:43,431 Is that we is making sure that we're best utilizing, 2952 02:19:43,431 --> 02:19:45,151 you know, each you know, government 2953 02:19:45,151 --> 02:19:49,070 employee or city employee Yeah. 2954 02:19:49,070 --> 02:19:52,424 And one thing I mentioned this, Matthew to Matthew in my email, 2955 02:19:52,424 --> 02:19:53,491 I think Sharon was on there too. 2956 02:19:53,491 --> 02:19:58,501 But you know we're going to be getting a survey, a workplace 2957 02:19:58,501 --> 02:20:00,775 cultural survey, and there's some things on there 2958 02:20:00,775 --> 02:20:02,377 about some from some employers. 2959 02:20:02,377 --> 02:20:04,780 And I don't know what it means yet. 2960 02:20:04,780 --> 02:20:08,520 But you know does he you know I think there are some concerns 2961 02:20:08,520 --> 02:20:11,911 that employees don't maybe don't think their council understand 2962 02:20:11,911 --> 02:20:14,375 what they're going through some of the hardships, some 2963 02:20:14,375 --> 02:20:18,841 of the extra hours And I don't believe anybody on this dais 2964 02:20:18,841 --> 02:20:20,701 doesn't want to support them, doesn't want to add 2965 02:20:20,701 --> 02:20:23,224 personnel where we're needed and equipment. 2966 02:20:23,224 --> 02:20:24,391 But I'm not sure that we're getting 2967 02:20:24,391 --> 02:20:25,741 a complete picture either. 2968 02:20:25,741 --> 02:20:28,411 And when we're talking about, you know, a couple of years 2969 02:20:28,411 --> 02:20:31,021 ago, we had, what, almost 10% increase 2970 02:20:31,021 --> 02:20:32,791 in our budget and then 12%. 2971 02:20:32,791 --> 02:20:36,856 And then last year, it dropped off to 4.4, something like that 2972 02:20:36,856 --> 02:20:39,151 But, you know, and I mentioned this 2973 02:20:39,151 --> 02:20:41,011 I'm sure Sharon and Matthew are going 2974 02:20:41,011 --> 02:20:42,991 to be talking about the average inflation 2975 02:20:42,991 --> 02:20:43,801 of the last five years. 2976 02:20:43,801 --> 02:20:46,861 But I have to factor that in because, you know, people 2977 02:20:46,861 --> 02:20:48,361 are being impacted by this, you know, 2978 02:20:48,361 --> 02:20:50,761 with their household incomes. 2979 02:20:50,761 --> 02:20:54,511 And, our increase is our average increase over the past five 2980 02:20:54,511 --> 02:20:59,191 years has outpaced inflation by 2% each year 2981 02:20:59,191 --> 02:21:01,651 But we have that we have to be able to tell that story 2982 02:21:01,651 --> 02:21:05,281 about why how did we get there. 2983 02:21:05,281 --> 02:21:13,411 So when you're looking at it outpacing inflation 2984 02:21:13,411 --> 02:21:16,651 are you also looking at the fact that we are a growing 2985 02:21:16,651 --> 02:21:23,761 city and we've got between 2% and 3% increase in our growth 2986 02:21:23,761 --> 02:21:25,021 the same time? 2987 02:21:25,021 --> 02:21:29,461 So is that being computed into the factor when you 2988 02:21:29,461 --> 02:21:32,401 say we've outgrown inflation? 2989 02:21:32,401 --> 02:21:34,651 Yeah, I think the impact is to the individual homeowner. 2990 02:21:34,651 --> 02:21:37,021 So the city may be growing, but their taxes 2991 02:21:37,021 --> 02:21:42,181 are going up at a faster pace than inflation. 2992 02:21:42,181 --> 02:21:44,161 And I think that's what strong people obviously, they 2993 02:21:44,161 --> 02:21:46,081 bought a house five years ago. 2994 02:21:46,081 --> 02:21:49,135 And it was getting taxed at X dollars 2995 02:21:49,135 --> 02:21:54,901 Now here we are five years later The taxes are 30% higher. 2996 02:21:54,901 --> 02:22:03,098 Rothman so if you had a house Five 2997 02:22:03,098 --> 02:22:09,691 years ago at $300,000 let me pull 2998 02:22:09,691 --> 02:22:12,126 up my spreadsheet real quick. 2999 02:22:12,126 --> 02:22:14,551 And you make good on the value of the house portion, right? 3000 02:22:14,551 --> 02:22:16,176 But I didn't buy that house recently. 3001 02:22:16,176 --> 02:22:19,136 I bought it at a certain price a while ago, right. 3002 02:22:19,136 --> 02:22:20,581 They've done nothing. 3003 02:22:20,581 --> 02:22:21,901 And that's where the price goes up. 3004 02:22:21,901 --> 02:22:24,751 I think that's where it's hard for everybody 3005 02:22:24,751 --> 02:22:25,441 to absorb all that. 3006 02:22:25,441 --> 02:22:26,551 We've heard it from many residents. 3007 02:22:26,551 --> 02:22:27,051 Right. 3008 02:22:27,051 --> 02:22:30,931 I think that's our concern We also know we don't have 3009 02:22:30,931 --> 02:22:32,651 a blank checkbook just to spend way 3010 02:22:32,651 --> 02:22:33,751 and that's part of the reason why 3011 02:22:33,751 --> 02:22:34,921 we were looking at leaf pickup. 3012 02:22:34,921 --> 02:22:35,421 Right. 3013 02:22:35,421 --> 02:22:37,921 So we have to look at being efficient with dollars as much 3014 02:22:37,921 --> 02:22:38,611 as we can. 3015 02:22:38,611 --> 02:22:41,831 I also don't think this patrol officer includes a cop, a car. 3016 02:22:41,831 --> 02:22:42,331 Correct. 3017 02:22:42,331 --> 02:22:48,631 And the equipment to go with that It does not that there's 3018 02:22:48,631 --> 02:22:51,841 that's part of what the equipment replace month money 3019 02:22:51,841 --> 02:22:54,466 would of would apply to you. 3020 02:22:54,466 --> 02:22:57,361 So when we hire police officer obviously, 3021 02:22:57,361 --> 02:22:59,176 you got to give the equipment do their job too. 3022 02:22:59,176 --> 02:23:01,231 And that's one of the things that I think we have to make 3023 02:23:01,231 --> 02:23:02,281 sure we take into account. 3024 02:23:02,281 --> 02:23:03,811 And that's one of my goals for next year 3025 02:23:03,811 --> 02:23:05,311 as well as we kind of link the two, right? 3026 02:23:05,311 --> 02:23:06,811 Don't approve one without the other. 3027 02:23:06,811 --> 02:23:09,852 So Mayor 2 point. 3028 02:23:09,852 --> 02:23:12,737 And I'm bring this up way too late in the process. 3029 02:23:12,737 --> 02:23:14,761 But maybe an idea again for next year 3030 02:23:14,761 --> 02:23:17,161 i can talk more about this in the goals. 3031 02:23:17,161 --> 02:23:19,921 But you know come working in another government 3032 02:23:19,921 --> 02:23:24,661 body with the county that I work and has spent end of July 3033 02:23:24,661 --> 02:23:25,681 through mid-August. 3034 02:23:25,681 --> 02:23:28,801 Evan department proposals and Watkins through you 3035 02:23:28,801 --> 02:23:30,811 know hears from the sheriff's office 3036 02:23:30,811 --> 02:23:34,649 the human services to probation here's our budget for next year. 3037 02:23:34,649 --> 02:23:37,112 Here's why it's important here's the impacts 3038 02:23:37,112 --> 02:23:38,551 there's the strains from the state 3039 02:23:38,551 --> 02:23:40,261 from the budget year over year. 3040 02:23:40,261 --> 02:23:42,061 And I think that does do a nice job 3041 02:23:42,061 --> 02:23:46,081 to help not only from the diaspora so the public. 3042 02:23:46,081 --> 02:23:48,698 So that would be something maybe that you guys think about is 3043 02:23:48,698 --> 02:23:50,591 going Florida, you know, maybe it's 3044 02:23:50,591 --> 02:23:55,081 to work sessions in summer that actually help help 3045 02:23:55,081 --> 02:23:58,081 with that narrative of why the budget is being proposed as it 3046 02:23:58,081 --> 02:24:01,891 is instead of us asking maybe some of the granular details 3047 02:24:01,891 --> 02:24:02,711 last meeting. 3048 02:24:02,711 --> 02:24:03,211 Yeah. 3049 02:24:03,211 --> 02:24:04,381 And I think just throwing that out there, I 3050 02:24:04,381 --> 02:24:05,701 think that is why I think Sharon, 3051 02:24:05,701 --> 02:24:07,871 you recommended a working session that maybe two. 3052 02:24:07,871 --> 02:24:08,371 Yeah. 3053 02:24:08,371 --> 02:24:12,288 And I agree over but I think for the prelim here. 3054 02:24:12,288 --> 02:24:14,028 It's more directional to understand where we're at. 3055 02:24:14,028 --> 02:24:15,574 I think we definitely need that as we 3056 02:24:15,574 --> 02:24:16,742 get towards the final budget. 3057 02:24:16,742 --> 02:24:17,242 Yeah. 3058 02:24:17,242 --> 02:24:17,742 Yeah. 3059 02:24:17,742 --> 02:24:18,523 Wherever it fits. 3060 02:24:18,523 --> 02:24:21,181 But you know, again it puts some of that ownership 3061 02:24:21,181 --> 02:24:23,791 on the department heads, but it also helps with that, 3062 02:24:23,791 --> 02:24:27,181 I think, educational piece and maybe that connection with some 3063 02:24:27,181 --> 02:24:29,822 of the staff to see, you know, exactly where that money's going 3064 02:24:29,822 --> 02:24:32,641 and what they're doing in their day to day struggles Well, 3065 02:24:32,641 --> 02:24:35,311 and for me, I want our employees understand 3066 02:24:35,311 --> 02:24:37,751 in our department heads that it's not that we 3067 02:24:37,751 --> 02:24:38,911 don't want to support you, bye. 3068 02:24:38,911 --> 02:24:41,240 Know at one point Sharon maybe was last year. 3069 02:24:41,240 --> 02:24:43,761 But you gave us a ten year CFP right 3070 02:24:43,761 --> 02:24:46,686 and how that might impact again, Estimated right 3071 02:24:46,686 --> 02:24:48,901 increases each year in our budget and our levy. 3072 02:24:48,901 --> 02:24:51,981 It was basically 8 to 11% every year for ten years. 3073 02:24:51,981 --> 02:24:55,021 That's just not sustainable for the average person 3074 02:24:55,021 --> 02:24:57,331 So I'm not saying that anybody's wrong or do anything wrong, 3075 02:24:57,331 --> 02:25:00,361 but I am saying that I just don't think it's sustainable 3076 02:25:00,361 --> 02:25:04,231 So we have to figure out another way to reach our goals I don't 3077 02:25:04,231 --> 02:25:06,781 want people to think that we're not going to try to create goals 3078 02:25:06,781 --> 02:25:07,891 and create steps to get there. 3079 02:25:07,891 --> 02:25:10,741 I want people to have hope that they're not going to be, 3080 02:25:10,741 --> 02:25:13,981 you know having to, you know, to work extra hours 3081 02:25:13,981 --> 02:25:15,841 or to feel like they're not given good enough 3082 02:25:15,841 --> 02:25:18,931 service because they're overloaded. 3083 02:25:18,931 --> 02:25:21,781 But I think as a council, we need to be mindful of what that 3084 02:25:21,781 --> 02:25:23,643 looks like long term as well. 3085 02:25:23,643 --> 02:25:26,101 Couple years ago, we had issues with cop cars. 3086 02:25:26,101 --> 02:25:29,011 We tried to get a few more police officers a ladder truck 3087 02:25:29,011 --> 02:25:30,421 for the fire department tanker. 3088 02:25:30,421 --> 02:25:32,851 There's things that we follow were critical that could impact 3089 02:25:32,851 --> 02:25:36,031 insurance For example, for the ladder truck or emergency 3090 02:25:36,031 --> 02:25:38,761 response times of vehicles are broken down 3091 02:25:38,761 --> 02:25:42,241 or you don't have enough overage or coverage with your place. 3092 02:25:42,241 --> 02:25:45,151 I felt like that we had to spike it for a couple of years 3093 02:25:45,151 --> 02:25:47,743 to try to alleviate some of those critical things. 3094 02:25:47,743 --> 02:25:49,861 But right now, I'm not hearing the critical things 3095 02:25:49,861 --> 02:25:51,206 with details. 3096 02:25:51,206 --> 02:25:53,341 The me personally, I'm not I can speak for you gentlemen, 3097 02:25:53,341 --> 02:25:58,051 but you know, so I just need i need that picture 3098 02:25:58,051 --> 02:25:59,941 painted with more detail. 3099 02:25:59,941 --> 02:26:01,441 Yeah, really try not to, you know, 3100 02:26:01,441 --> 02:26:03,091 kick the can down the road. 3101 02:26:03,091 --> 02:26:05,161 You know, in previous, you know previous years. 3102 02:26:05,161 --> 02:26:07,351 And that's where we really I thought, 3103 02:26:07,351 --> 02:26:09,511 made some really nice effort last year. 3104 02:26:09,511 --> 02:26:12,661 We just have to continue that effort You know, 3105 02:26:12,661 --> 02:26:16,561 in the years to come Well, and share. 3106 02:26:16,561 --> 02:26:17,941 And I appreciate the 300,000. 3107 02:26:17,941 --> 02:26:20,671 You know, we can't just get all one time while we're still 3108 02:26:20,671 --> 02:26:22,831 grappling with all these other inflationary expenses 3109 02:26:22,831 --> 02:26:24,541 for the city, too. 3110 02:26:24,541 --> 02:26:25,951 So you drop it down on a 50. 3111 02:26:25,951 --> 02:26:30,211 I mean, that's definitely a better start passing 175. 3112 02:26:30,211 --> 02:26:31,412 Well, maybe we can't start that new. 3113 02:26:31,412 --> 02:26:32,311 We got to start at 50. 3114 02:26:32,311 --> 02:26:33,811 But we also have potential. 3115 02:26:33,811 --> 02:26:36,721 The pot of money And again, I you know, 3116 02:26:36,721 --> 02:26:38,281 Matthew and I have conversations. 3117 02:26:38,281 --> 02:26:39,665 You know, he hasn't could be 70. 3118 02:26:39,665 --> 02:26:40,418 We don't know. 3119 02:26:40,418 --> 02:26:42,556 But maybe we just lower down to 50 as an estimate. 3120 02:26:42,556 --> 02:26:43,056 Right. 3121 02:26:43,056 --> 02:26:44,389 That there's another pot of money that's 3122 02:26:44,389 --> 02:26:46,501 not falling on property tax. 3123 02:26:46,501 --> 02:26:47,971 Property taxes themselves. 3124 02:26:47,971 --> 02:26:50,011 And that's part of the reason why we want to do this Right. 3125 02:26:50,011 --> 02:26:53,641 So we can alleviate some of that pressure on our property owners 3126 02:26:53,641 --> 02:26:58,827 find other sources of revenue that just the question 3127 02:26:58,827 --> 02:27:01,921 on personnel and safety Committee, 3128 02:27:01,921 --> 02:27:04,304 did you guys discuss these same positions? 3129 02:27:04,304 --> 02:27:05,932 You're aware of these? 3130 02:27:05,932 --> 02:27:08,921 I'm the police officer stuff. 3131 02:27:08,921 --> 02:27:09,421 I would say. 3132 02:27:09,421 --> 02:27:09,921 Yes. 3133 02:27:09,921 --> 02:27:11,251 That was mentioned Yes. 3134 02:27:11,251 --> 02:27:14,521 But it wasn't clear to me was going to be asked this year You 3135 02:27:14,521 --> 02:27:18,632 know, okay, community service officer, I'm still 3136 02:27:18,632 --> 02:27:19,821 kind of learning about that. 3137 02:27:19,821 --> 02:27:22,200 And that was one of the things that I had brought up 3138 02:27:22,200 --> 02:27:26,461 is is from a personnel committee standpoint, 3139 02:27:26,461 --> 02:27:27,931 if this is going to get brought forward, 3140 02:27:27,931 --> 02:27:29,911 then i think we need to be that there needs 3141 02:27:29,911 --> 02:27:31,141 to be more in depth conversations 3142 02:27:31,141 --> 02:27:32,984 early on before it gets to this point. 3143 02:27:32,984 --> 02:27:34,951 And that's kind of start with the Finance Committee, right? 3144 02:27:34,951 --> 02:27:37,157 We don't know what was discussed in your right 3145 02:27:37,157 --> 02:27:39,820 to understand Well, what should the priority be? 3146 02:27:39,820 --> 02:27:41,941 You know, that's really what comes up from now 3147 02:27:41,941 --> 02:27:43,831 until the December budget line. 3148 02:27:43,831 --> 02:27:50,521 Yeah And this the first time you see the parks manager Yeah. 3149 02:27:50,521 --> 02:27:52,951 I think it was talked about the parks manager 3150 02:27:52,951 --> 02:27:55,891 as we discussed it, but I think we put it right like this 3151 02:27:55,891 --> 02:27:59,461 But again, position descriptions would help me understand 3152 02:27:59,461 --> 02:28:02,221 I can compare it to in order to name and Ryan too, 3153 02:28:02,221 --> 02:28:05,791 so I can understand who's doing what because I thought Ryan had 3154 02:28:05,791 --> 02:28:09,151 taken over the gist of most of that 3155 02:28:09,151 --> 02:28:15,751 is gone to WSP or the county right? 3156 02:28:15,751 --> 02:28:18,631 So in the picture, how much are we paying for those services 3157 02:28:18,631 --> 02:28:20,641 and how much could that offset you 3158 02:28:20,641 --> 02:28:21,611 know, not pay in the savings? 3159 02:28:21,611 --> 02:28:22,111 Right. 3160 02:28:22,111 --> 02:28:25,801 Where this position we don't know that, right? 3161 02:28:25,801 --> 02:28:26,461 Yeah. 3162 02:28:26,461 --> 02:28:26,961 Yeah. 3163 02:28:26,961 --> 02:28:29,581 Well, it's kind of like the return on investment right? 3164 02:28:29,581 --> 02:28:32,041 For that, for that person Right. 3165 02:28:32,041 --> 02:28:35,251 So I forgot to ask during what, you know, 3166 02:28:35,251 --> 02:28:36,271 one of the previous ones. 3167 02:28:36,271 --> 02:28:40,951 But the money that was initially spent 3168 02:28:40,951 --> 02:28:50,101 on the flat from that 2023 grant money how much is in that fund 3169 02:28:50,101 --> 02:28:51,061 do you know? 3170 02:28:51,061 --> 02:28:54,901 So there was off the top of my head. 3171 02:28:54,901 --> 02:28:57,193 There was just over 100,000. 3172 02:28:57,193 --> 02:28:58,552 And there. 3173 02:28:58,552 --> 02:28:59,458 OK. 3174 02:28:59,458 --> 02:29:02,826 Total that's remaining Yeah. 3175 02:29:02,826 --> 02:29:06,206 The 60 was going to take a good chunk of it. 3176 02:29:06,206 --> 02:29:06,769 OK. 3177 02:29:06,769 --> 02:29:09,391 So and we haven't paid the whole amount yet. 3178 02:29:09,391 --> 02:29:12,991 We've only paid 121 So whatever So we 3179 02:29:12,991 --> 02:29:17,377 were at 150 or 160,000 before we did the first payment to. 3180 02:29:17,377 --> 02:29:19,321 Block Is that what I'm hearing? 3181 02:29:19,321 --> 02:29:21,095 I think she said 100 and minus. 3182 02:29:21,095 --> 02:29:23,091 It was like, what I heard higher. 3183 02:29:23,091 --> 02:29:23,757 I did. 3184 02:29:23,757 --> 02:29:25,309 I thought it was around 150. 3185 02:29:25,309 --> 02:29:28,531 So did I. This is a while ago. 3186 02:29:28,531 --> 02:29:37,418 So I could be wrong But so I think the second question was, 3187 02:29:37,418 --> 02:29:41,431 is to utilize those funds for an additional police 3188 02:29:41,431 --> 02:29:44,681 officer or car or equipment. 3189 02:29:44,681 --> 02:29:45,181 Yeah. 3190 02:29:45,181 --> 02:29:49,671 So Chief I'm going to ask you that for just follow that 3191 02:29:49,671 --> 02:29:53,821 So what have you been earmarking those special funds for? 3192 02:29:53,821 --> 02:29:56,343 Like, you know, you've had a for a few years now 3193 02:29:56,343 --> 02:29:58,429 or are you hoping to spend on. 3194 02:29:58,429 --> 02:30:03,464 I mean why not or things patrol car or other equipment or ran. 3195 02:30:03,464 --> 02:30:06,087 I think we had a close to 400. 3196 02:30:06,087 --> 02:30:07,688 So we we've used. 3197 02:30:07,688 --> 02:30:12,511 We bought two civil defense sirens that was approved right. 3198 02:30:12,511 --> 02:30:15,002 We had purchased a speed trailer. 3199 02:30:15,002 --> 02:30:19,351 The new speed trailer fire department had some turn out 3200 02:30:19,351 --> 02:30:25,291 gear, radios We did purchase a squad car, 3201 02:30:25,291 --> 02:30:28,441 one squad car already with that we had 3202 02:30:28,441 --> 02:30:30,241 some training costs in there. 3203 02:30:30,241 --> 02:30:33,991 I think that was I want to say was 2024, that it was brought 3204 02:30:33,991 --> 02:30:36,669 to the council with those. 3205 02:30:36,669 --> 02:30:45,361 OK And what's the point? 3206 02:30:45,361 --> 02:30:50,496 So at the end of 2025, it was 140,897. 3207 02:30:50,496 --> 02:30:51,901 We were pretty close right? 3208 02:30:51,901 --> 02:31:07,508 So minus the 21,000 now, correct And all right. 3209 02:31:07,508 --> 02:31:09,962 So what direction are you looking for right now? 3210 02:31:09,962 --> 02:31:13,891 Just what we're willing to entertain what you can hone 3211 02:31:13,891 --> 02:31:15,712 in on better for the next meeting 3212 02:31:15,712 --> 02:31:17,023 you're going to miss, Mr. Glenn. 3213 02:31:17,023 --> 02:31:18,790 You're going to miss the second meeting in September, 3214 02:31:18,790 --> 02:31:20,971 correct So that's why you want to have an approval 3215 02:31:20,971 --> 02:31:22,081 while I was here? 3216 02:31:22,081 --> 02:31:27,961 Yes And that's also why I requested the one on one 3217 02:31:27,961 --> 02:31:30,601 meetings with the three of you who I haven't talked 3218 02:31:30,601 --> 02:31:36,211 to because I I really do want to get your feedback I 3219 02:31:36,211 --> 02:31:37,471 want it to be counted. 3220 02:31:37,471 --> 02:31:38,461 I want it. 3221 02:31:38,461 --> 02:31:43,141 I want what we're bringing to the September ninth meeting 3222 02:31:43,141 --> 02:31:49,561 to be within the grasp of passing the prelim unary levy, 3223 02:31:49,561 --> 02:31:54,825 knowing that it can't go up, but it can come down So whatever we 3224 02:31:54,825 --> 02:32:00,961 set that meeting, I want it to be ballpark enough that you guys 3225 02:32:00,961 --> 02:32:05,514 are comfortable passing it on the ninth 3226 02:32:05,514 --> 02:32:07,093 saturday in the preliminary. 3227 02:32:07,093 --> 02:32:13,721 Yeah, yeah I've made my point or my stance 3228 02:32:13,721 --> 02:32:18,181 pretty clear right now, at least as with the information I have, 3229 02:32:18,181 --> 02:32:21,421 I'm, you know, I'm more in the stance of less maintainable. 3230 02:32:21,421 --> 02:32:23,521 We have for another year if we can 3231 02:32:23,521 --> 02:32:25,981 Is there some critical with one of these positions? 3232 02:32:25,981 --> 02:32:27,938 I need more information about it. 3233 02:32:27,938 --> 02:32:34,236 I'm factoring in the inflation, the stable with the economy I 3234 02:32:34,236 --> 02:32:35,941 know last year and all we finally 3235 02:32:35,941 --> 02:32:39,394 got it down below five for a final I 3236 02:32:39,394 --> 02:32:40,927 don't know if that can happen again this year, 3237 02:32:40,927 --> 02:32:44,371 but I'm just trying to do the best i can to maybe 3238 02:32:44,371 --> 02:32:46,651 kind of pause and figure out if we 3239 02:32:46,651 --> 02:32:48,601 need a committee service officer, 3240 02:32:48,601 --> 02:32:50,401 how do we integrate that, right? 3241 02:32:50,401 --> 02:32:53,881 Or maybe over time couple years, patrol officer, 3242 02:32:53,881 --> 02:32:54,751 how do we prioritize? 3243 02:32:54,751 --> 02:32:57,912 It wasn't there a conversation about some of and a camera? 3244 02:32:57,912 --> 02:32:59,821 It was in this report from two weeks ago 3245 02:32:59,821 --> 02:33:03,091 that the community service officer is also budgeted 3246 02:33:03,091 --> 02:33:10,931 with revenue increases coming to my memory serves me correctly 3247 02:33:10,931 --> 02:33:14,581 I just wanted to acknowledge that the building department has 3248 02:33:14,581 --> 02:33:17,761 its own revenue sources with its building permits 3249 02:33:17,761 --> 02:33:20,311 and with the projects that we currently have going on 3250 02:33:20,311 --> 02:33:23,041 in the future projects that we have expected to come on 3251 02:33:23,041 --> 02:33:25,771 in an industrial park in our continued 3252 02:33:25,771 --> 02:33:27,721 growth with our building projects 3253 02:33:27,721 --> 02:33:32,479 our permit fees have been increasing So the increase 3254 02:33:32,479 --> 02:33:35,041 in those fees, our building department is kind of 3255 02:33:35,041 --> 02:33:37,441 at a net zero right now. 3256 02:33:37,441 --> 02:33:40,801 We make enough to cover the cost for that department, etc. 3257 02:33:40,801 --> 02:33:47,893 And if we utilize 50% of the cSO in the building department 3258 02:33:47,893 --> 02:33:51,164 to cover the nuisance violations and the code violation 3259 02:33:51,164 --> 02:33:54,451 and the revenue sources could potentially 3260 02:33:54,451 --> 02:33:57,811 cover a portion, if not all of that 50% 3261 02:33:57,811 --> 02:34:00,211 allocation for that position. 3262 02:34:00,211 --> 02:34:03,271 But then as presented in the budgets as of now 3263 02:34:03,271 --> 02:34:08,257 is for the full cost of the position as opposed to That's 3264 02:34:08,257 --> 02:34:08,833 correct. 3265 02:34:08,833 --> 02:34:09,697 With revenue? 3266 02:34:09,697 --> 02:34:14,251 Oh, yeah And then one of the things that has come up 3267 02:34:14,251 --> 02:34:19,921 is that there have been some situations lately 3268 02:34:19,921 --> 02:34:24,721 about the safety of having someone 3269 02:34:24,721 --> 02:34:31,111 go out to a house by themselves with no way to communicate. 3270 02:34:31,111 --> 02:34:34,125 If we have a CSO he would have he 3271 02:34:34,125 --> 02:34:38,641 or she would have a radio and a vest on. 3272 02:34:38,641 --> 02:34:42,871 Whereas when our current employee goes out, 3273 02:34:42,871 --> 02:34:49,291 he is unpretty And this, it would just 3274 02:34:49,291 --> 02:34:52,721 give a little more safety and quicker backup 3275 02:34:52,721 --> 02:34:54,691 if something was needed. 3276 02:34:54,691 --> 02:34:57,307 If the CSO took over the Code Enforcement. 3277 02:34:57,307 --> 02:34:57,829 Yeah. 3278 02:34:57,829 --> 02:34:59,917 So this is the first time I'm hearing 3279 02:34:59,917 --> 02:35:02,891 this from a personnel standpoint that there's an issue there. 3280 02:35:02,891 --> 02:35:03,391 Right. 3281 02:35:03,391 --> 02:35:04,861 And we're supposed to make a decision 3282 02:35:04,861 --> 02:35:07,209 in a few weeks on our fund. 3283 02:35:07,209 --> 02:35:14,314 I mean, it's a tough why don't why don't we budget 3284 02:35:14,314 --> 02:35:16,472 it again, just for that position? 3285 02:35:16,472 --> 02:35:18,541 I'm sure it's for similar positions 3286 02:35:18,541 --> 02:35:20,281 Why is it brought forward that we're budgeting 3287 02:35:20,281 --> 02:35:24,781 for the full cost of the CSO versus the projected revenue 3288 02:35:24,781 --> 02:35:28,921 increases for that position And in the follow up would be 3289 02:35:28,921 --> 02:35:31,411 or where is that projected revenue increase 3290 02:35:31,411 --> 02:35:32,791 allocated in the budget? 3291 02:35:32,791 --> 02:35:38,272 So we don't have a revenue increase projected right now. 3292 02:35:38,272 --> 02:35:43,724 We have LP that was like the the big one this year, 3293 02:35:43,724 --> 02:35:45,728 which covered everything for the building department that's 3294 02:35:45,728 --> 02:35:49,681 due to costs and fees or from a revenue perspective covered all 3295 02:35:49,681 --> 02:35:52,891 the costs for that department. 3296 02:35:52,891 --> 02:35:56,289 We are speculating and we don't speculate in the budget. 3297 02:35:56,289 --> 02:36:00,811 So that's but we expect additional growth to continue. 3298 02:36:00,811 --> 02:36:03,192 And so those there's potential for it. 3299 02:36:03,192 --> 02:36:06,691 The revenues off of growth not necessarily on the position. 3300 02:36:06,691 --> 02:36:07,351 Correct. 3301 02:36:07,351 --> 02:36:12,995 Thank you Just a quick clarifying question, too. 3302 02:36:12,995 --> 02:36:15,931 So I know we're trying to decide on what items, bye. 3303 02:36:15,931 --> 02:36:18,991 Think what Matthew and Sharon would really like to know 3304 02:36:18,991 --> 02:36:21,511 is would we feel comfortable that like a 9% 3305 02:36:21,511 --> 02:36:25,921 increase for the September vote here in the prelim? 3306 02:36:25,921 --> 02:36:30,601 And then we work through these detail and how we allocate those 3307 02:36:30,601 --> 02:36:34,088 funds and into a final number for December What is the 9% 3308 02:36:34,088 --> 02:36:34,759 providing this? 3309 02:36:34,759 --> 02:36:37,711 Well, what I'm looking at here, just looking at the sheet 3310 02:36:37,711 --> 02:36:42,391 that Sharon provided you get to basically you could get 3311 02:36:42,391 --> 02:36:45,380 through the support equipment. 3312 02:36:45,380 --> 02:36:48,151 Yeah, I would also include the 288 3313 02:36:48,151 --> 02:36:52,171 for some of these current additional resources. 3314 02:36:52,171 --> 02:36:53,731 Appreciate it. 3315 02:36:53,731 --> 02:37:02,671 Would subtract out basically the the 2015 3316 02:37:02,671 --> 02:37:04,351 88 for some of the additional resources 3317 02:37:04,351 --> 02:37:05,281 that were refined here. 3318 02:37:05,281 --> 02:37:07,321 I don't know where the insurance would fall into which bucket 3319 02:37:07,321 --> 02:37:11,431 Jericho you're referring to on call it the staffing ten year 3320 02:37:11,431 --> 02:37:14,251 plan you efforts of 201,000. 3321 02:37:14,251 --> 02:37:15,631 That's got the insurance in or not. 3322 02:37:15,631 --> 02:37:18,931 But it's somewhere between three C That's my question. 3323 02:37:18,931 --> 02:37:22,921 Staffing ten year plan is that 201,000 a year. 3324 02:37:22,921 --> 02:37:23,581 Correct. 3325 02:37:23,581 --> 02:37:24,911 So this is. 3326 02:37:24,911 --> 02:37:25,411 Yeah. 3327 02:37:25,411 --> 02:37:27,331 So basically yeah, snap the line there. 3328 02:37:27,331 --> 02:37:29,161 Whatever we want to trade back and forth. 3329 02:37:29,161 --> 02:37:31,411 We can discuss that. 3330 02:37:31,411 --> 02:37:32,911 Yeah, that's it. 3331 02:37:32,911 --> 02:37:35,881 I would not vote on positions until I had more information. 3332 02:37:35,881 --> 02:37:36,781 I just can do it. 3333 02:37:36,781 --> 02:37:37,681 Yeah, I agree. 3334 02:37:37,681 --> 02:37:40,174 But we're not specifically voting on positions, right? 3335 02:37:40,174 --> 02:37:42,541 We're we're voting on a levy. 3336 02:37:42,541 --> 02:37:44,641 Max. 3337 02:37:44,641 --> 02:37:45,691 That goes back to the budget. 3338 02:37:45,691 --> 02:37:46,780 What are we trying to support? 3339 02:37:46,780 --> 02:37:47,280 Right. 3340 02:37:47,280 --> 02:37:49,891 And that's why that's where I want to set the number based 3341 02:37:49,891 --> 02:37:53,281 on what we're trying to specifically trying to support 3342 02:37:53,281 --> 02:37:57,601 You could say that to on to go towards fill in the support 3343 02:37:57,601 --> 02:37:59,341 the equipment fund and making sure 3344 02:37:59,341 --> 02:38:01,111 that we have money to buy a leaf, 3345 02:38:01,111 --> 02:38:10,621 pick up that truck Yeah you know it 3346 02:38:10,621 --> 02:38:13,481 doesn't have to be towards staffing right to Jeff's point. 3347 02:38:13,481 --> 02:38:20,543 So you know it's Yeah right now it's a number i like eight 8.99 3348 02:38:20,543 --> 02:38:22,181 better than nine. 3349 02:38:22,181 --> 02:38:26,941 OK We can negotiate this for that. 3350 02:38:26,941 --> 02:38:29,509 Sharon Yeah Yeah. 3351 02:38:29,509 --> 02:38:31,111 I mean I guess I could. 3352 02:38:31,111 --> 02:38:34,141 I could do that on preliminary, but that's, I don't know. 3353 02:38:34,141 --> 02:38:36,001 We need more from you. 3354 02:38:36,001 --> 02:38:39,721 Yeah When is your next personnel meeting? 3355 02:38:39,721 --> 02:38:41,768 Would it be before September 9th? 3356 02:38:41,768 --> 02:38:44,461 Well one this Friday if we have this Friday, 3357 02:38:44,461 --> 02:38:46,141 I think we're going to have that result by that. 3358 02:38:46,141 --> 02:38:51,451 And so with the positions I don't know. 3359 02:38:51,451 --> 02:38:53,588 I'm just I'm just looking at the trend 3360 02:38:53,588 --> 02:38:54,869 over the last several years. 3361 02:38:54,869 --> 02:38:55,723 And I agree. 3362 02:38:55,723 --> 02:38:56,364 It's tough. 3363 02:38:56,364 --> 02:38:57,481 That's what i want to know. 3364 02:38:57,481 --> 02:38:59,941 If we don't do something, what's the impact? 3365 02:38:59,941 --> 02:39:02,461 That's my biggest question right now 3366 02:39:02,461 --> 02:39:05,221 and helps me decide whether i push for something or support 3367 02:39:05,221 --> 02:39:08,701 something does it behooves us to have a work session 3368 02:39:08,701 --> 02:39:10,921 meeting after your one on one meetings with Sharon 3369 02:39:10,921 --> 02:39:14,761 and and Matthew and then we can I've got other town 3370 02:39:14,761 --> 02:39:16,240 three questions for finance. 3371 02:39:16,240 --> 02:39:19,267 The stuff that you don't understand about revenue. 3372 02:39:19,267 --> 02:39:21,355 But so I don't know. 3373 02:39:21,355 --> 02:39:23,641 I mean if you want to set a consensus, 3374 02:39:23,641 --> 02:39:31,748 you can i agree we need to start equipment replacement fund. 3375 02:39:31,748 --> 02:39:34,201 again, we're not deciding where the dollars go. 3376 02:39:34,201 --> 02:39:37,125 I'm basically saying give guidance to them to come back 3377 02:39:37,125 --> 02:39:41,341 and say, you did 90% prelim budget would be, you know, 9% 3378 02:39:41,341 --> 02:39:43,171 or 8.99. 3379 02:39:43,171 --> 02:39:45,931 And then we could refine where we apply those dollars 3380 02:39:45,931 --> 02:39:47,461 between now and December. 3381 02:39:47,461 --> 02:39:49,891 And that's right through the process. 3382 02:39:49,891 --> 02:39:50,794 We went last year, right? 3383 02:39:50,794 --> 02:39:51,787 Yeah. 3384 02:39:51,787 --> 02:39:53,941 What is it, 3% higher than likely. 3385 02:39:53,941 --> 02:39:56,321 Correct You want some cushion? 3386 02:39:56,321 --> 02:39:56,821 Right. 3387 02:39:56,821 --> 02:39:59,551 So if something goes bad we have some flexibility 3388 02:39:59,551 --> 02:40:00,601 there in sharon. 3389 02:40:00,601 --> 02:40:04,441 Continue to look for other avenues and other savings. 3390 02:40:04,441 --> 02:40:06,031 And all the department heads didn't. 3391 02:40:06,031 --> 02:40:09,001 I mean, we all worked together over the last couple of months. 3392 02:40:09,001 --> 02:40:12,871 I wouldn't expect that any different this year 3393 02:40:12,871 --> 02:40:15,765 So sharing that the 2.29%, that's if we 3394 02:40:15,765 --> 02:40:17,389 just maintain what we have now. 3395 02:40:17,389 --> 02:40:19,201 But that's not with the increased 3396 02:40:19,201 --> 02:40:21,057 health insurance cost right? 3397 02:40:21,057 --> 02:40:21,800 Correct. 3398 02:40:21,800 --> 02:40:24,481 OK And we don't have any estimate on health issues. 3399 02:40:24,481 --> 02:40:25,591 Cost of 50%. 3400 02:40:25,591 --> 02:40:34,381 There's no no, the HR Person had contacted them and Lisa that's 3401 02:40:34,381 --> 02:40:38,311 too early and they can't give a good estimate 3402 02:40:38,311 --> 02:40:40,501 But whatever our expenses were for this year, can't we 3403 02:40:40,501 --> 02:40:42,421 are 14% of that. 3404 02:40:42,421 --> 02:40:45,551 Yes, they have some type of an estimate and that's what i did. 3405 02:40:45,551 --> 02:40:46,051 Yeah. 3406 02:40:46,051 --> 02:40:47,491 That's 180 housing. 3407 02:40:47,491 --> 02:40:53,356 The 118 what we have in the inlet column it take. 3408 02:40:53,356 --> 02:40:58,981 And add 118,000 to that or so, you've got 3409 02:40:58,981 --> 02:41:04,951 9823867 and add 118 more. 3410 02:41:04,951 --> 02:41:06,846 Okay And just Yeah. 3411 02:41:06,846 --> 02:41:08,449 During our advisory committee that we won 3412 02:41:08,449 --> 02:41:11,131 we're realistic number right. 3413 02:41:11,131 --> 02:41:14,161 So we'd have to start an 18,000 to the dollar 3414 02:41:14,161 --> 02:41:16,861 amount that has the 2.29%. 3415 02:41:16,861 --> 02:41:19,232 OK That's what I'm saying. 3416 02:41:19,232 --> 02:41:21,961 This is help me if I understand what's going to be required. 3417 02:41:21,961 --> 02:41:22,951 Absolutely required on this. 3418 02:41:22,951 --> 02:41:23,451 Right. 3419 02:41:23,451 --> 02:41:25,381 If we wanted to maintain and then work from there. 3420 02:41:25,381 --> 02:41:27,091 But it's kind of mixed in. 3421 02:41:27,091 --> 02:41:30,265 I'm having a hard time tracking percentages. 3422 02:41:30,265 --> 02:41:39,044 And we we don't know that that 15% is going to occur 3423 02:41:39,044 --> 02:41:41,208 And so I wanted. 3424 02:41:41,208 --> 02:41:49,351 We've got a lowball estimate of 5% included in that 2.9. 3425 02:41:49,351 --> 02:41:55,321 And then the extra 10% is the 118,000. 3426 02:41:55,321 --> 02:41:59,851 OK So just like we're trying to handle 3427 02:41:59,851 --> 02:42:01,155 that more than maybe we were hoping 3428 02:42:01,155 --> 02:42:02,332 to give us a little cushion. 3429 02:42:02,332 --> 02:42:02,832 Right. 3430 02:42:02,832 --> 02:42:05,311 For the final I'm asking you to do the same thing 3431 02:42:05,311 --> 02:42:06,901 for the medical or the health. 3432 02:42:06,901 --> 02:42:09,512 Why can't we just add in the 50%? 3433 02:42:09,512 --> 02:42:11,521 And then if it's not that much then we're 3434 02:42:11,521 --> 02:42:15,061 able to either take that off or use it towards something else 3435 02:42:15,061 --> 02:42:17,994 with a fine It's a cushion. 3436 02:42:17,994 --> 02:42:18,531 Yeah. 3437 02:42:18,531 --> 02:42:20,411 We Yeah, because we weren't going 3438 02:42:20,411 --> 02:42:23,173 to have that number before the preliminary No we never do. 3439 02:42:23,173 --> 02:42:23,673 Yeah. 3440 02:42:23,673 --> 02:42:24,761 Oh, is it right Yep. 3441 02:42:24,761 --> 02:42:25,261 Yeah. 3442 02:42:25,261 --> 02:42:27,811 So that's why we or November even. 3443 02:42:27,811 --> 02:42:28,936 Yeah Yeah. 3444 02:42:28,936 --> 02:42:30,971 My point is, why not add it right to what 3445 02:42:30,971 --> 02:42:32,346 you think the worst might be. 3446 02:42:32,346 --> 02:42:34,250 And then if it's less than that right, 3447 02:42:34,250 --> 02:42:37,864 we can't have we can take away Yeah, that's, that's what 3448 02:42:37,864 --> 02:42:39,173 you have an 18,000. 3449 02:42:39,173 --> 02:42:39,697 Right. 3450 02:42:39,697 --> 02:42:42,901 OK Yeah, that's what I like. 3451 02:42:42,901 --> 02:42:45,244 I'd like to know where the increase is for 15. 3452 02:42:45,244 --> 02:42:47,791 And what we have with an anticipated 15%. 3453 02:42:47,791 --> 02:42:50,791 Even if it comes back at ten, give us a little cushion 3454 02:42:50,791 --> 02:42:52,051 on the health of it. 3455 02:42:52,051 --> 02:42:52,981 Doesn't come back at 20. 3456 02:42:52,981 --> 02:42:54,948 But no Yeah. 3457 02:42:54,948 --> 02:42:57,605 Well, the numbers are thrown 12 to 20. 3458 02:42:57,605 --> 02:42:58,441 Yeah Right. 3459 02:42:58,441 --> 02:43:06,068 So I think Matthew had the dart board, so we did that. 3460 02:43:06,068 --> 02:43:08,488 And that's my quarterly and nine humor. 3461 02:43:08,488 --> 02:43:10,351 Okay well, if you guys want to add a consensus, 3462 02:43:10,351 --> 02:43:12,901 I just do like the 9% for now. 3463 02:43:12,901 --> 02:43:14,521 That's fine. 3464 02:43:14,521 --> 02:43:17,191 I'm happy to 9% right now. 3465 02:43:17,191 --> 02:43:20,761 Yeah, that's a number that Yeah, 9%. 3466 02:43:20,761 --> 02:43:26,458 You shouldn't be happy, but it is it is a number If you 3467 02:43:26,458 --> 02:43:29,019 want to do the 8.99 and it. 3468 02:43:29,019 --> 02:43:36,841 But yeah but it's you can do the math Sharon and what 9% is 3469 02:43:36,841 --> 02:43:43,921 so yeah a 9% increase over the prior 3470 02:43:43,921 --> 02:43:53,341 year for just the general fund would be 7 million to 28 008. 3471 02:43:53,341 --> 02:44:27,781 And so are you doing the math to i mean oh oh 3472 02:44:27,781 --> 02:44:34,801 right that's on that bottom part of the sheet that's 3473 02:44:34,801 --> 02:44:39,518 already calculated or we should bring that up to that that, 3474 02:44:39,518 --> 02:44:40,227 that. 3475 02:44:40,227 --> 02:44:40,935 Yeah. 3476 02:44:40,935 --> 02:44:43,061 So that includes the debt. 3477 02:44:43,061 --> 02:44:43,983 Yeah The 9%. 3478 02:44:43,983 --> 02:44:44,483 Yeah. 3479 02:44:44,483 --> 02:44:44,983 Yeah. 3480 02:44:44,983 --> 02:44:57,991 Yes, it does, Larry So that if we all. 3481 02:44:57,991 --> 02:45:26,077 Yeah, for sure You didn't do it with these exact numbers, the 3482 02:45:26,077 --> 02:45:28,976 nature Well, just add on 9%. 3483 02:45:28,976 --> 02:45:32,311 I was just asking if she could quickly do the math, 3484 02:45:32,311 --> 02:45:36,871 but we move on this move, Jim, it's quarter nine. 3485 02:45:36,871 --> 02:45:45,841 Come on OK, so at 9% with 118,000 for insurance, 3486 02:45:45,841 --> 02:45:54,421 it would give us about 323,000 for the extra debt 3487 02:45:54,421 --> 02:45:59,971 as well as any other costs. 3488 02:45:59,971 --> 02:46:05,134 But so it goes was $260,000 outside of the debt to just 3489 02:46:05,134 --> 02:46:08,978 allocate Yes that Sharon, how much 3490 02:46:08,978 --> 02:46:13,668 did we how much to the drop in our loan debt by selling to lPI. 3491 02:46:13,668 --> 02:46:15,012 What is that number. 3492 02:46:15,012 --> 02:46:16,893 There's a savings there per year. 3493 02:46:16,893 --> 02:46:21,361 So the the loan that wasn't paid by exit 3494 02:46:21,361 --> 02:46:24,931 was it was paid well it was paid, 3495 02:46:24,931 --> 02:46:29,641 but it was through the LDH or a so that's 3496 02:46:29,641 --> 02:46:33,541 a separate bucket than what we're talking here 3497 02:46:33,541 --> 02:46:35,491 But to take that one step further, 3498 02:46:35,491 --> 02:46:38,101 though, we have taken out our city, 3499 02:46:38,101 --> 02:46:41,431 call it funding of the E.T.A., correct? 3500 02:46:41,431 --> 02:46:42,241 Yes. 3501 02:46:42,241 --> 02:46:44,461 We took that right. 3502 02:46:44,461 --> 02:46:46,951 So there was a savings, right? 3503 02:46:46,951 --> 02:46:47,561 Yep. 3504 02:46:47,561 --> 02:46:48,476 All right. 3505 02:46:48,476 --> 02:46:49,086 OK. 3506 02:46:49,086 --> 02:46:49,696 Sounds. 3507 02:46:49,696 --> 02:46:51,751 And I think the council has to keep 3508 02:46:51,751 --> 02:46:54,181 in mind, too, that there is an increase in the EDA budget 3509 02:46:54,181 --> 02:46:54,916 as well. 3510 02:46:54,916 --> 02:46:55,651 So Yup. 3511 02:46:55,651 --> 02:47:00,234 Shows up on the property taxes and I 3512 02:47:00,234 --> 02:47:01,801 have no idea where the city or where the county 3513 02:47:01,801 --> 02:47:02,634 is going to be this year. 3514 02:47:02,634 --> 02:47:05,011 But I. Or the school. 3515 02:47:05,011 --> 02:47:08,581 Yeah Yeah, yeah All right. 3516 02:47:08,581 --> 02:47:10,081 Anything else, Matthew or Sharon, that you 3517 02:47:10,081 --> 02:47:12,211 need for direction on this? 3518 02:47:12,211 --> 02:47:16,201 No, I think that i have enough that I 3519 02:47:16,201 --> 02:47:24,108 can put it together and get the a pretty good document. 3520 02:47:24,108 --> 02:47:31,801 Or the night And we can discuss it when the three of us 3521 02:47:31,801 --> 02:47:41,403 meet, we discuss anything that I haven't thought of. 3522 02:47:41,403 --> 02:47:45,469 But you guys want included Okay. 3523 02:47:45,469 --> 02:47:45,969 OK. 3524 02:47:45,969 --> 02:47:46,814 I think we're done, then. 3525 02:47:46,814 --> 02:47:47,314 Right. 3526 02:47:47,314 --> 02:47:48,181 For the budget discussion. 3527 02:47:48,181 --> 02:47:50,071 So All right. 3528 02:47:50,071 --> 02:47:51,031 Thank you, Sharon. 3529 02:47:51,031 --> 02:47:51,781 Appreciate that. 3530 02:47:51,781 --> 02:47:53,978 Thank you So I'm a mayor, City Council staff. 3531 02:47:53,978 --> 02:47:55,963 Do we want to just table. 3532 02:47:55,963 --> 02:47:58,275 This to the next meeting? 3533 02:47:58,275 --> 02:48:01,891 I think so I feel like it's going 3534 02:48:01,891 --> 02:48:05,641 to be a 20 minute conversation, at least 3535 02:48:05,641 --> 02:48:08,851 it's not anything I know it doesn't matter to me. 3536 02:48:08,851 --> 02:48:10,996 I mean, we if I remember right. 3537 02:48:10,996 --> 02:48:14,371 Last year, budget season from this meeting until Thanksgiving 3538 02:48:14,371 --> 02:48:16,291 we met for three hours. 3539 02:48:16,291 --> 02:48:18,001 I felt like every I know. 3540 02:48:18,001 --> 02:48:19,201 Yeah, I agree. 3541 02:48:19,201 --> 02:48:20,051 This is simple. 3542 02:48:20,051 --> 02:48:23,221 So I mean we can just say, hey, if we all agree, 3543 02:48:23,221 --> 02:48:25,111 we can just table it for the next meeting. 3544 02:48:25,111 --> 02:48:27,451 Maybe it's a table until we get to that right night 3545 02:48:27,451 --> 02:48:29,795 where we have we right? 3546 02:48:29,795 --> 02:48:30,832 Yeah. 3547 02:48:30,832 --> 02:48:32,161 OK Well, let's, let's do that. 3548 02:48:32,161 --> 02:48:34,561 So just information. 3549 02:48:34,561 --> 02:48:36,031 Do I actually officially have to table 3550 02:48:36,031 --> 02:48:40,481 it since it was on the agenda for information only ? 3551 02:48:40,481 --> 02:48:40,981 OK. 3552 02:48:40,981 --> 02:48:41,481 All right. 3553 02:48:41,481 --> 02:48:43,831 I'm going to make a motion to table ten A 3554 02:48:43,831 --> 02:48:48,781 and ten be on the agenda to our September ninth 3555 02:48:48,781 --> 02:48:51,066 ninth regular council meeting. 3556 02:48:51,066 --> 02:48:54,264 Second, second, December 1. 3557 02:48:54,264 --> 02:48:55,053 The second. 3558 02:48:55,053 --> 02:48:58,968 All in favor, signify by saying I. I All right. 3559 02:48:58,968 --> 02:49:01,231 I'm going to make a motion to adjourn at 8:48 p.m.. 3560 02:49:01,231 --> 02:49:02,221 Do we have a second? 3561 02:49:02,221 --> 02:49:04,381 Second, Mr. Mayor, all in favor signify 3562 02:49:04,381 --> 02:49:07,411 by saying I i we are adjourned. 3563 02:49:07,411 --> 02:49:10,851 Please keep your copies of your council goals for the night