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Good evening.

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Welcome to the WPCA and town council

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meeting of Tuesday, June 16th. It is

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6:31. Please join me in a salute to the

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flag.

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>> I pledge algiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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Roll call.

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>> Mayor Angelone

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>> here.

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>> Deputy Mayor McMillan

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>> present.

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>> Councelor Diamond

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>> here.

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>> Councelor Go

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>> here.

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>> Councelor Mace

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>> here.

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>> Councelor Miller

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>> here.

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>> Councelor Witworth

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>> here.

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>> Councelor Zampano

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>> here.

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>> Okay. Next item is minutes of approval

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of the minutes from our last meeting.

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Uh, do I have a motion to approve the

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May 19th, 2026 WPCA and town council

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minutes?

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>> Make that motion.

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>> Second.

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>> Motion was made by Deputy Mayor

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McMillan, seconded by Councelor Diamond.

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Discussion.

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All in favor?

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>> I opposed. Abstain. Motion carries.

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Next is community events and

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presentations.

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Seeing none, we will continue on to WPCA

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agenda.

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Um, any citizen statements regarding the

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WPCA?

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There's no unfinished business. Next

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item is discussion and action on the

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viola agreement.

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Uh, good evening. Uh tonight I'm uh

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would like to speak on the proposed

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agreement for the operations,

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maintenance, and management services for

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the town sanitary sewer collection

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system with Violia Water North America.

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We're requesting a bid waiver to be

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granted uh for this project. Violia

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project manager Shane McCannan, who's

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been really great to work with, is our

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liaison. Uh, Violia has been performing

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the town's tour operations work for the

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past 21 years since 2005. They've worked

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under the current agreement for the past

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12 years. They were the only bidder at

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the time.

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Julia has been doing a great job. The

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town has developed a comfort level with

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their qualifications and overall

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performance. They always respond in a

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timely manner.

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The initial term of that agreement was

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for four years with two four-year

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extensions.

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The second four-year extension started

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in September 2022 and include mutually

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agreed upon annual price increases of

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three and a half% for the first year and

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at 3% for years three two through four.

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The current annual fee is 211,363.

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That includes the annual facility

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operations and maintenance program,

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video inspection of 10% of the system

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each year, jetting of 20% of the system

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each year, and a $25,000 allowance for

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maintenance and equipment improvements

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uh over the year.

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In the current agreement, current

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proposed agreement, there's no changes

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to the services provided for the 5-year

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contract.

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And Felia is proposing in annual price

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increases of 0% for year 1, 1.5% for

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year two, 2.75% for years three and

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four, and then the CPA for year five.

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But they're [clears throat] willing to

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uh make a uh concession of anywhere

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between 2.75 and 3.5%

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depending upon the CPA CPI.

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The services that Violia provides,

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they're on 24hour call for any

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emergencies. They monitor and maintain

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five pump stations and four metering

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stations.

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They responds to they respond to all

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alarms and emergency situations

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associated with the collection system,

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pump stations, and metering stations.

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They provide monthly activity reports.

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They purchase and maintain vehicles and

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equipment necessary to operate the

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system which is very expensive.

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They complete an annual review of our

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system and provide us with any capital

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improvements that we may need to uh

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budget for the next year.

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They maintain spare parts for the system

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and they have also developed along with

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the town uh hotspots so that there's

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areas where we know that we have

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concerns uh that we have backups or we

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have uh potential backups. So we make

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sure that we uh address those areas more

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frequently uh than the rest of the

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system to make sure that that we don't

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have any uh issues. They calibrate our

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meters every six months and provide us

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the detail

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and they also provide CBID markouts uh

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for emergencies after hours and the

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cover vacations and holidays.

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Biolia is able to provide this

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competitive pricing because it also

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provides services to the towns of North

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Haven, Orange, Seymour, Derby, Norwok,

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New Town, and Stonington.

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To summarize, I feel that based upon the

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limited available contractors, their

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performance, and proposed fees for the

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5-year period, it would be best to

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provide a bid waiver for Violia.

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I can take any questions if you have

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any.

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» Does anyone have any questions in

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regards to this contract? I will say

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that this did come before the finance

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committee at our meeting um last week.

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Um and it was discussed there and Fran

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Morola um the director of public works

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was also there and he also spoke about

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how well Viola has been for the town um

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and the work that they have done for us

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in the last contract and he was very

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supportive of us moving forward with the contract. Um,

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>> I have some some figures here. Um, one

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of my concerns is the maintenance and

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repair. It's $25,000.

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No variables. That fixed. Is it a use it

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or lose it? They get 25,000. If it's

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less, but if it's more, they don't get

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more. They only get 25,000.

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>> Uh, nope. So, what we do is we based

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upon the repairs and what the

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recommendations are, what needs to be

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done is based upon 25,000. It's not use

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or lose it. So if we don't use it all

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then it rolls over to the next year um

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so that we can uh utilize it uh at that

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time. It's would be a capital expense.

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>> So if any during any one year it's more

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than 25,000 what happens? We only pay

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the 25,000

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>> we would only make the repairs that we

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can within that $25,000 uh allowance.

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Otherwise we do provide for capital

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improvements to the system. Like this

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past year we bought a uh what's called

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the Muffin Monster. It's a grinding

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machine uh that helps uh grind up any uh

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rags or what have you that get into the

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system. Uh we also uh work on replacing

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pumps as necessary. Okay. So that I have

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a clear understanding you can agree or

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not agree [clears throat]

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is that over the four years there's a 10

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and a half% raise from the beginning of

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to the

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$231,694.

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So each year, the first year is one and

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a half% which

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>> 0%. Sorry, the first year is 0%.

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>> They're keeping their price consistent

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for the first year.

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in the next year it's 1 and a.5% which

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gives an increase of 2523.

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Then at 2.75% that's 4,000 change. And

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then at 2.75 it's 4,800 addition. And

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then in the last year three and a half%

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it's a 6,300.

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So each year they're capitalizing and

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compounding their interests every year.

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Are you aware of that?

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>> Uh yep. Yes. Yeah.

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>> So those are my concerns. I wanted

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people to understand it's not without

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its costs. So it's costing a hefty bill

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especially if the rate of inflation in

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the country in the economy is only four

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or 5%. And they're already at 10 and a

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half guaranteed 10 and a half%. Okay.

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>> Well that's over five years though. That

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10 and a half years one two fiveyear

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contract.

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>> The first year was free. I see that.

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>> Yeah. But it's still a 5year contract.

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So it's 10 and a half over a 10 over a

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5year which is still the these rates of

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increase are still cheaper than the last

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5 years that we had that he just read

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off how much they went up each year in

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our current contract that is expiring.

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So, so finance committee felt this was a

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fair deal and to bring it forward for 5

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years uh this percentage increase.

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>> They do a great job too. Very committed.

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Um as we stated they're there when they

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you know the need to be on call 24

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>> There aren't that many biders, right?

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>> We're not there's only one last time.

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they went out to goodbying

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that as you said they do a good job. No,

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we don't because it's in the motion to

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>> I have to say that there's been a couple

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of times where we had reported backups

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into basements or what have you and they

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were there within half an hour with all

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their equipment ready toh solve the

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problem and you know been very happy

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with their uh resources and response.

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So there is a suggested motion on page

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25 of our packet.

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>> I'll read that motion. Be it resolved

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that North Brford Water Pollution

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Control Authority approve waving the bid

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requirement and authorize the town

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manager to enter into an agreement with

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Viola Water North America viola to

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provide operations, maintenance,

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management services for the town century

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sewer system for a 5-year term in

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accordance with uh the submitted prices

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and subject to the review and approval

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by the town attorney. This includes the

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option to extend the contract for two

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subsequent five-year terms subject to

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town council approval. Second.

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>> Motion was made by Deputy Mayor

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McMillan, seconded by Councelor Diamond.

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>> Any further discussion?

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>> A question about the motion, if I may.

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>> Mhm.

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>> All right. As it's uh as it was read, it

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says that it's in accordance with the

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submitted prices and subject to review

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and approval by the town attorney. I

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mean, in reality,

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the the town attorney is not really

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approving it. It's reviewing and

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concurring with. Is that more accurate

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to say that? Well, he's he's approving

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he's not approving the motion. He's

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approving the contract. The contract,

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the language in the contract is what

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he's he's reviewing and approving the

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contract, not the actual motion of

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accepting the contract.

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>> All right. Very good. Thank you.

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>> Any other questions?

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>> All in favor?

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>> I

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>> opposed. Abstain. Motion carries. Thank

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you.

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>> Okay.

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Um, citizen statements in regards to uh,

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water pollution control authority.

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Seeing none, we will go to the regular

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town council meeting.

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Okay. Our first item on the agenda under

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regular town council is the appointment

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of our town man of a town manager. Um so

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the town council has um been busy. We

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had a number of applicants. Uh the job

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has been posted since February. Um we

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went through budget season and then we

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took up the role of u being the search

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committee for the town manager. Um, we

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interviewed a number of candidates and

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we are happy tonight to be able to

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appoint the new town manager for North

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Brford and Deputy Mayor McMillan will

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read that motion.

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>> Yes, we are going to uh enter an item

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eight motion. Uh, Madame Mayor, I move

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that Scott Nichols be appointed as town

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manager effective July 1st, 2026. The

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annual salary of 160,000 and upon terms

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is set forth in a written agreement

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between the town and Mr.

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in the in such form as an approved by

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the town attorney and I further move

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that the residency requirement for the

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town manager as set forth in the charter

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be waved.

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>> Second.

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>> Motion was made by Deputy Mayor

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McMillan, seconded by councelor Mace.

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Discussion.

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All in favor?

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>> I opposed.

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Abstain.

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And Scott Nickel is in the audience

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tonight. And Scott, would you like to

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say a few words? First, congratulations.

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» Thank you, mayor. Very much appreciate

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it, town council, um, for the unanimous

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appointment. Um, I wanted to thank you

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for this is just a tremendous

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opportunity in a great town, uh, to be

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able to be in service. I want to thank

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you for an outstanding process. Uh, the

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interviews were great, very thorough.

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you did your due diligence um and uh

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that is only always a good sign u for a

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good partnership moving forward and uh

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my job as town manager will be to serve

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at uh your pleasure. Um I I wanted to

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acknowledge uh Rory Burke who has been

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the acting uh town manager since January

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um and has done a fine job and I I just

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wanted to publicly extend uh my thanks

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and looking forward to a great

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partnership with Rory. I know it will be

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uh we're going to have a lot of fun and

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do a lot of great work for the town.

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>> [applause]

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» Um, I want to take a moment just to uh,

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you know, when we think about uh,

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service to the community uh, and just

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enriching the lives of North Brford

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residents, it all comes from a

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foundation of family. I just want to

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take a a brief moment to introduce uh,

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um, some members of my family. Um, both

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of my sons. Um, this is Reese Reese

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Nickel. He's a going to be a junior at

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Ellington High School.

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um Carson Nickel who is going to go into

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his junior year at the University of

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Connecticut and uh the love of my life

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um Heather Nickel uh my wife who is a

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she is a principal in elementary school

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in New Britain. So I just wanted to

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thank them for all of their support.

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Um, I wanted to close with um, you know,

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the town manager serves at the pleasure

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of the town council who represents the

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constituents of uh, all the residents of

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North Brford. And so all the work that we do is about enriching their

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lives, allowing them the big best

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freedom they can for their pursuit of

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happiness. Um, that's that's our job.

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That's that's it. It's a it's a it's the

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north star. And um I I'm well aware that

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there is a lot of great boards and

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commissions uh department heads and town

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employees that feel the same way. And so

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I greatly look forward to um

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establishing great relationships uh

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really diving into the work, enjoying it

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and um just having a great experience

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here and um you know it's it it is truly

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is an honor. So I just want to thank you

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and uh look forward to the opportunity.

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>> Thank you. Welcome.

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>> Welcome. [applause]

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Okay, our next item on the agenda is

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reports of committees, boards, and

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commission. Uh first one is economic

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development.

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>> I have nothing.

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>> Okay.

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uh park and recreation uh met last month

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and um just went over all of their

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activities. They are getting ready for

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their summer camp program uh which is

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always very successful and is generally

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full um up at Park and Wreck. And also a

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new thing that they have started is that

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they now take reservations for pickle

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ball. Um from between 5:00 p.m. and I

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think 1000 p.m. you can go online and

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make reservations. There are five courts

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that take reservations and then five

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courts that are just open play. Um so

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that's a new feature that is run through

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um park and wreck. You just go to their

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website and you can make your

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reservations there. And that's all I

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have. Police commission.

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>> Okay. The police commission met on June

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8th. Um, councelor God and I were very

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pleased at the beginning of the meeting

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which began with a unit citation by

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Chief Lovely. He recognized um both

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North Brford PD and fire department and

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Guilford. There were members of the

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Guilford fire department there as well.

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They all received a a citation for the

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work they did for an incident in May on

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the report of a missing juvenile. It was a really lovely thing for them to

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do and they all got a beautiful citation

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from the chief. Um the chief also

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mentioned that um there's been they've

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had a quite a heavy uh workload lately

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that they're doing very well, but

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they've been very very busy in town. Um

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he talked about one of the officers is

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developing a citizen police academy

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which I I guess will probably start in

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the fall for about 15 to 20 residents.

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Um they're going to be erecting a a

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fence around the impound lot and

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dumpster. Um and they I'll tell you we

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had a lot of continuing discussion about

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that whole project at Twin Lakes Road.

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That's going to be a big project for a

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long time. people are coming and talking

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about it and concerns and I think

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there's going to be a lot of involvement

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on that one and that's that's my report.

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>> Okay, great. Thank you.

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>> Fire commission

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>> uh fire commission met on June 4th. Um

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and they had the the calls for May were

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a total of 217 [clears throat] of

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various majority being emergency

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medical. Um then also um there was a letter from assistant

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chief Espazito

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um moving to uh active retired as of

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July 1st, 2026.

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And uh I'd like to thank

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uh Anthony for his uh dedication to the

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town. It's been about what 45 years

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in the plan. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Wow.

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>> [applause]

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» I'm not quite sure what active retire

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is.

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>> Active retire means at 65 you can stay

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active but you can start collecting your

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pension.

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>> Okay. All right. Thanks.

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>> And then um

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>> yes there'll be [laughter]

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>> there was uh three other um members

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acknowledged

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um for going above and beyond. Jimmy

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Gleason, Bob Norio, Bob Odell uh for

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their assistance in regards with um

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a gentleman needing fuel oil in his

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driveway cleared um an elderly man and

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they and they took good care of him and

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got him his oil um and also bringing a

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woman to a doctor's appointment and then

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back home. So that was it.

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>> Okay, thank you. Uh planning and zoning.

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>> Uh planning and zoning. I missed that

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meeting. I was on vacation. U looking

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for the minutes can report back.

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>> No problem. Finance subcommittee. Uh we

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met last week. There are a number of

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items on our agenda tonight um later on

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regarding things that we had talked

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about at um finance committee. Um

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so the things that uh Eshore Health is

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here which will be giving a um

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presentation uh a little bit in regards

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to a request um for some water water

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quality um a replacement of a truck in

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public works. They had a very rough

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winter as we found out during budget

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season. They were down they lost three

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trucks this season and now they've lost

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a fourth truck. Um so um they're coming

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forward with some um with a request uh

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for that. Um and then we we'll have just

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the regular an um financial reports also

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on here that's off that I have uh public

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safety communications subcommittee.

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>> Public safety met on June 10th and Mayor

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Angelone joined us for that meeting. We

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received an update on the testing of the

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new channel lineup that was done by the

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department. I have to give a lot of

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kudos again. I probably did it last week

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or last month. Um I have Deputy Chief

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Colangelo has really done an outstanding

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job in coming up with a new system. It's

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working so far and it's interesting that

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um we have found out that there are

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other towns that are having problems

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with the repeaters from Motorola.

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We want Motorola to come for a meeting

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in September, but before that on

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September 9th, I the committee would

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like to have an executive session

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hopefully with the town attorney. And

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what we would also like to do is have

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the people on council who are leazone to

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the fire department and police

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department. We'd like the mayor and the

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deputy mayor to be there. I know I sound

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like a broken record, but I think this

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whole issue with Motorola has gotten out

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of control and we need to do something.

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So, what we'd like to do, and I'm going

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to be emailing the town attorney to have

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this meeting on September 9th, and if

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you guys can all come that are part of

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those commissions, I think it's

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important. I think it's time to make a

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decision what what what's happening with

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Motorola. Now, they claim they're going to fix it, but we don't no

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one's here heard from them. So, that's my report.

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[clears throat]

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>> Thank you. Uh, Inland Wetlands,

540
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>> uh, no report. I don't believe that I

541
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met for a couple months.

542
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>> Okay.

543
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Um that usually means they don't have

544
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,200
anything on their agenda. It's just

545
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,240
they're not putting things [snorts] off

546
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,480
it. They just Inland Wetlands doesn't

547
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,559
have anything right now. So that's fine.

548
00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:45,280
Um blueprint committee no meeting. Okay.

549
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,600
>> All right. That concludes uh reports

550
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:50,880
from committees, boards, and

551
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,200
commissions. We are on to [snorts] the

552
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,960
town manager report.

553
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,480
Um,

554
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,400
tonight I'll be speaking about the

555
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,559
incident that occurred at 21 David Lane

556
00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:06,080
on June 5th. Uh, all of the

557
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,039
investigations remain ongoing. Once

558
00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:10,640
they're completed, the investigating

559
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,480
agencies will release them to the

560
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,039
public. The Department of Energy and

561
00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:16,960
Environmental Protection completed their

562
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,360
site cleanup. They removed all the

563
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:22,320
improperly stored materials. They also

564
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,000
conducted well testing on all the

565
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,000
adjacent properties which came back

566
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,720
negative for any contamination.

567
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,039
Regarding the town's actions to date,

568
00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:33,039
enforcement efforts go back to at least

569
00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:35,520
2010 with subsequent enforcement actions

570
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,559
in 2014 and 2017.

571
00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:40,559
Our files indicate that the property was

572
00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:43,679
cleaned as of May 2019.

573
00:23:43,679 --> 00:23:45,600
In these complaints, I could not find

574
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,440
any indication that hazards existed

575
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,039
beyond the blighted conditions

576
00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:51,760
themselves. Prior enforcement efforts

577
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,240
focused on unregistered vehicles and

578
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,400
operating an illegal junkyard as the

579
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,320
town's blight ordinance was not passed

580
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,640
until 2024.

581
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,720
In recent years, a zoning violation

582
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,240
letter was issued in January of 2024.

583
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,600
After the passage of the blight

584
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,640
ordinance in July of 2024, a blight

585
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,640
complaint was received and a violation

586
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,799
letter was issued shortly thereafter.

587
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:16,720
Our files indicate that the blight

588
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,320
enforcement officer has been in frequent

589
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,039
communication with the property owner.

590
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:22,640
Generally, the town works with the

591
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,960
property owner on a blight issue. Our

592
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,559
goal is never to collect fines, but

593
00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:28,000
rather to ensure that the blight issue

594
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,679
is remediated.

595
00:24:29,679 --> 00:24:32,320
Typically, fines are not imposed if the

596
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,600
property owner is demonstrating

597
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,279
compliance.

598
00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:36,720
The communications in the file

599
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,720
demonstrate that each time fines were

600
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,720
about to be imposed, the property owner

601
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,159
would move forward with remediation

602
00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:44,080
efforts that forestal the issuance of

603
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,640
fines. As [snorts] recently as March of

604
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,960
this year, we again began communicating

605
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,880
with the property owner, indicating that

606
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,200
as unless substantial progress was made,

607
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,600
fines would be issued. Following the

608
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,600
incident on June 5th, another violation

609
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,840
notice was issued. The property owner

610
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,840
currently has until June 22nd to

611
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,000
demonstrate significant compliance or

612
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,480
fines will begin acrewing. Additionally,

613
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,080
following the incident, the building

614
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,240
official also issued a building code

615
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,840
violation

616
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,919
uh which the owner will have 45 days to

617
00:25:13,919 --> 00:25:16,000
remediate.

618
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,000
Uh the town is committed to remediating

619
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,760
the issues on the property and ensuring

620
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,080
that the conditions that led to the fire

621
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,919
on June 5th are remediated.

622
00:25:25,919 --> 00:25:28,159
Uh we've also begun reviewing the blight

623
00:25:28,159 --> 00:25:29,600
complaint procedure and the current

624
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,600
blight ordinance to ensure that similar

625
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,919
incidents do not occur going forward.

626
00:25:33,919 --> 00:25:35,440
We'll bring forward recommendations to

627
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,159
the council when the review is complete.

628
00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:40,480
Um and then additionally, I just would

629
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,400
like to thank the council uh for

630
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,200
entrusting me as the acting town manager

631
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,080
for the past six months. Um, it was an

632
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,760
immense pleasure to work with the

633
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,039
department heads and and serve the

634
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:52,640
residents of the town and I look forward

635
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,559
to working with uh the new town manager

636
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:55,679
going forward.

637
00:25:55,679 --> 00:25:57,520
>> Thank you.

638
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,200
>> That's my report.

639
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,919
>> Rory, what is being done right now as

640
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:04,320
far as the cleanup? Is there a cleanup

641
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,039
going on there right now?

642
00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:11,120
um from the emails back and forth with

643
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:15,600
the property owner. Um

644
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,240
you know, part part of the issue

645
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,720
is there's unregistered vehicles on the

646
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,240
property. Um and then there is there's a

647
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,080
lot of other material of of all types.

648
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,840
Um

649
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,080
he's indicated that he is getting a

650
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,799
dumpster. He's aware of the timeline. it

651
00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:36,880
was included in the notice that went out

652
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,520
to him. Um I think given the

653
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,559
circumstances, uh he's been given a lot

654
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:47,388
of leeway in the past. Um and

655
00:26:47,388 --> 00:26:49,039
[clears throat] I think going forward

656
00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:51,679
the the leash will be much shorter. Um

657
00:26:51,679 --> 00:26:54,159
our our primary concern is getting the

658
00:26:54,159 --> 00:26:57,440
property cleaned up. Um fines do not

659
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,360
necessarily achieve that. Um and so as

660
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:03,200
long as he continues to demonstrate

661
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,039
compliance, the town will continue to

662
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:09,840
work with him. Um but if if he is not

663
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,960
making consistent progress, um we will

664
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,960
move to enforce the fines.

665
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,159
>> So we're inspecting like is how is it up

666
00:27:18,159 --> 00:27:19,840
to him? If he decides, well, maybe I'll

667
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,200
clean up today, maybe I won't clean

668
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,520
today, maybe I'll clean next week. It's

669
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,960
up to him. Is it up to him? Mhm.

670
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,799
>> Uh it is up to the town in terms of when

671
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:34,480
the fines are issued. Um similar to

672
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,640
other enforcement

673
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,520
uh issues that we have going on in town.

674
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,679
Um

675
00:27:41,679 --> 00:27:45,440
you know finding the property owner

676
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,200
doesn't necessarily lead to cleanup.

677
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,549
Um

678
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:54,640
it it is not black and white in the

679
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,039
ordinance as to where the line is. It is

680
00:27:57,039 --> 00:27:58,559
largely at the discretion of the

681
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:00,559
enforcement official. But it has been

682
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:02,399
made clear to the enforcement official

683
00:28:02,399 --> 00:28:05,679
that uh you know the property owner has

684
00:28:05,679 --> 00:28:08,080
been given enough leeway.

685
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,360
So there are going to be definitive

686
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:11,120
dates of which we are expecting progress

687
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:13,200
and we'll we will

688
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,159
>> correct

689
00:28:14,159 --> 00:28:16,559
>> under the the guidelines that we have we

690
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:19,600
will enforce on he was given 10 business

691
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,440
days in in the notice that went out on

692
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,000
the 9th that

693
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,440
>> understandably there's a process and a

694
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,279
process has to be met you know we're a

695
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:26,080
town we're not

696
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,760
>> he has to be given due process he has to

697
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,480
be given an opportunity to remediate

698
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,000
>> um but again if

699
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,919
>> he said that a dumpster is coming if a

700
00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:38,640
dumpster does not come then there's no

701
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:39,200
leeway.

702
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,480
>> Okay. Yeah.

703
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,399
>> And if things do not begin to fill the

704
00:28:42,399 --> 00:28:46,000
dumpster, there will be no leeway.

705
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,520
>> Yeah. There's there's another um house

706
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:50,799
over on Beach Street where there's a lot

707
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:52,240
been a lot of complaints about the same

708
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,640
issue about blight. And what's funny on

709
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:55,919
the way here cuz I live right near

710
00:28:55,919 --> 00:28:58,159
there. On the way here today, the fire

711
00:28:58,159 --> 00:29:01,200
department was going to that house. So I

712
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,279
was driving here, the fire department's

713
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:05,279
going to the other house in town, which

714
00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:07,679
is the same way. So, put the fire

715
00:29:07,679 --> 00:29:08,870
department's there right now.

716
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:09,200
[clears throat]

717
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,640
>> Yes, the ambulance is there.

718
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,510
>> The ambulance.

719
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:21,110
» Thank you.

720
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,200
» Do you have any other general updates?

721
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,240
>> Okay. Um,

722
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,039
>> thanks.

723
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:27,279
>> Permanent project building committee. Do

724
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:28,720
you have any updates?

725
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,159
>> Um, largely the same. Uh, driveway

726
00:29:32,159 --> 00:29:34,399
cracks remain under review at the police

727
00:29:34,399 --> 00:29:38,159
department. Um the repair of the green

728
00:29:38,159 --> 00:29:41,279
roof at the high school is ongoing. Uh

729
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:43,360
entryway tile cracks are being reviewed

730
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,520
for repair and replacement and the

731
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,200
warranty and closeout process uh remains

732
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,720
underway.

733
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,440
Edward Smith construction is uh

734
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,840
progressing. It's currently on schedule

735
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,440
for its July 31st completion.

736
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,520
Uh this the storage building, no

737
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,440
significant progress. uh and Stanley T.

738
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,320
Um they are working on replacing uh the

739
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,880
awning that leads to the side entrance.

740
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,200
Uh and then new signage uh was installed

741
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,760
on the front of the building.

742
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,000
>> Okay. All right. Thank you.

743
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,080
Next item is citizen statements,

744
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,600
petitions, and correspondence.

745
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,279
Um so just a reminder, um I see a number

746
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:32,399
of new faces here. Um, if you come up to

747
00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:34,240
make comments, it's you're limited to

748
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,880
three minutes and you need to state your

749
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,279
name and address for the record. Also,

750
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:42,159
if there's anyone that is coming up um

751
00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:44,000
to speak about David Lane,

752
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,200
unfortunately, the council cannot um say

753
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,880
anything in regards to that because it

754
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,279
still is an open investigation. We will

755
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:52,799
take your comments and they'll go into

756
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,919
the record um from there. Um but we

757
00:30:55,919 --> 00:30:59,520
cannot comment on the situation.

758
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,279
Any

759
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:05,451
comments at this time?

760
00:31:05,461 --> 00:31:08,310
[clears throat]

761
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,240
» My name is Robert Spano and I live on

762
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,799
Nine David Lane. Um, this incident has

763
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:17,039
been going on over 10 years and everyone

764
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:20,960
knows this. Um,

765
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,799
it should never have happened to begin

766
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:25,039
with. The blight wall was in effect

767
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:28,000
since for 11 months. This has been

768
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,600
reported.

769
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,080
Um they sent a sanitarian who has no

770
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,000
background in explosives, leeching

771
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,240
chemicals or explosions or um scrap

772
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,440
metal uh scrap um metal that's been

773
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,360
exploding around and almost hit children

774
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,600
and stuff of this nature.

775
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,679
the town and that area, I'm sorry, the

776
00:31:47,679 --> 00:31:50,720
area there is very, very upset about why

777
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,640
this is allowed to happen at this point

778
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,159
and gone this far. All right.

779
00:31:56,159 --> 00:31:58,000
And we're not going to let this go until

780
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,200
it's completed to not only the town, but

781
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,399
to our satisfaction, that house, just

782
00:32:04,399 --> 00:32:07,279
for the public record, is rotting on the

783
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:09,279
outside with holes on the end coming

784
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:13,600
through, leaking into the house. He's

785
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,679
the owner of the house has showed me

786
00:32:15,679 --> 00:32:18,000
snakes that he's been bringing out rat

787
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,799
snakes and this kind of stuff. This

788
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:22,720
again

789
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,600
on behalf of the people behind me, their

790
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,760
children. One of them right now is going

791
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,080
to counseling because of the explosions

792
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,679
and fire and at some point the town may

793
00:32:33,679 --> 00:32:37,760
be held responsible for it legally.

794
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,440
That's my statement. Thank you.

795
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:46,230
>> Thank you.

796
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,799
Are are are there any other public

797
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:57,509
comments,

798
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:01,200
Bill Sando, Sunnyside Drive,

799
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,000
I'm here to support the Veterans Council

800
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,039
that's coming up on your agenda tonight.

801
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:10,320
Uh the veterans council has been formed

802
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,679
for two years now. They're uh got a few

803
00:33:13,679 --> 00:33:16,480
items they've been working on. This hall

804
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,080
of honor uh they're presenting is a is a

805
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,159
good thing. So

806
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:25,919
uh I'm here to support them.

807
00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:29,200
Um, in the past I've talked about a tax

808
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,640
freeze for senior senior seniors and I

809
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,880
keep talking about it and till I get

810
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,600
some answers. I know we're way over the

811
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,960
budget season. Nothing we can do now.

812
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,960
But we got to we got to look at it in

813
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,880
the fall, next budget season. Uh I can

814
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,440
only remind you that our neighbors in

815
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,960
Brford

816
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,840
are uh the first elect

817
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,159
of a campaign promise to get a tax

818
00:33:56,159 --> 00:33:59,279
freeze for seniors and they talk about

819
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:02,559
it for 6 months on the rules and

820
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:06,000
ordinance committee which is on BCTV on

821
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,560
demand. So if you want to get a little

822
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,119
information you could they don't say

823
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:15,200
much but they're working on it.

824
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,320
the blight situation. This is very I

825
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,679
mean the worst nightmare has happened.

826
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:24,320
Uh you know I've been involved with

827
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,359
blight going back in a few years and I

828
00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:31,040
was part of couple of people that was

829
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,280
helped to get that audience passed and

830
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,079
uh I can see there's people here that

831
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:40,159
are very very concerned and believe me I

832
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:43,119
appreciate that.

833
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:47,520
Taka TV. I'm not sure how you uh how I

834
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,399
know how you we ended up giving them an

835
00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:55,040
extra couple of thousand, but uh I don't

836
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,879
know on their end how they felt about

837
00:34:56,879 --> 00:34:59,119
it, too.

838
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:01,280
But uh we're going back to the blight a

839
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:06,240
minute. Uh you know, again, we've been

840
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:08,960
talking about it very infrequently

841
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,400
at council chambers here, but uh we had

842
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,359
good luck going back several years when

843
00:35:15,359 --> 00:35:19,040
Tom Hogy was here. He was a part- timerr

844
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,720
working with the town planner.

845
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:25,839
uh and actually through co

846
00:35:25,839 --> 00:35:30,079
uh he was out and of course CO happened

847
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:33,680
and he left after that but Tom was doing

848
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,720
reports every 6 months I think he was

849
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:39,200
actually doing it on his own not that he

850
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,800
necessarily had to do it and that's when

851
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,680
you know you could if you could realize

852
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,640
what was going on in different areas and

853
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,119
all forms of blight meaning serious just

854
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:56,800
serious ordinances and just some minor

855
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,400
violations. But uh so I don't know if we

856
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,760
got a new town planner yet, but I hope

857
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,480
he's pretty strong in this and maybe in

858
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,280
the next budget season we can get that

859
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,800
part-time back. I think the Tom Hogy was

860
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,400
an ex state policeman. It's a my own

861
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,880
opinion is it's a good good place to

862
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,920
start. person's got experience in

863
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,320
handling people.

864
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,079
And the last thing in reference to that

865
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:29,760
right here in town now you have the BH

866
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,520
care.

867
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,320
They are behavioral people.

868
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,560
Maybe if we got a situation like you

869
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,520
have on David Lane, we can get a

870
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,560
behavioral person in there

871
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,480
or try to get him in there.

872
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:47,520
>> That's all. Thank you.

873
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:55,225
>> Thank you.

874
00:36:55,235 --> 00:36:56,079
» [clears throat]

875
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:57,599
>> How you doing, folks? My name is Hank

876
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,079
Townsen. Uh 15 David Lane, immediate

877
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:03,359
neighbor to 21 David Lane. Um I've lived

878
00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:05,680
there for the past five or so years and

879
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,520
my in-laws have lived across the street

880
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,560
for much longer than that. Um this has

881
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,800
been going on for almost two decades now

882
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,280
since the property was bought. uh you

883
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,119
know, even when it was cleaned up, it

884
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:18,400
seems as though all the stuff was pushed

885
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,160
into the back of the yard and covered

886
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,040
over the tarps. Uh the night of the

887
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,960
fire, the homeowner was allowed to stay

888
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,920
behind the yellow line overnight for 6

889
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,640
hours until the investigation occurred.

890
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,280
Um [snorts] we personally have pictures

891
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,400
of him dumping bottles of acetone and

892
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,320
other combustible chemicals into spray

893
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,920
bottles. What the intention was with

894
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,800
that was, I don't know. But nonetheless,

895
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,240
I don't know if it was to hide it, to

896
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:48,400
use it for other things. I don't know.

897
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,079
Um there's if there's not a 100 plus

898
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:53,839
buckets, there's not one. Every single

899
00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:55,520
year, my house is riddled with

900
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,040
mosquitoes. There's I see cockroaches in

901
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,000
the yard that were if I get rid of them

902
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,200
and [snorts] then spray the property

903
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,480
line, they never come back on that side.

904
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,520
So clearly there's an issue here that's

905
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,839
much much deeper than just the outside

906
00:38:11,839 --> 00:38:13,440
horde.

907
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,240
It's the house is dilapitated in my

908
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:18,240
opinion. I'm no expert but there's no

909
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,560
way that house is liveable. There's two

910
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,920
almost basketballized holes in the roof.

911
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,280
I mean it it's something's got to give

912
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,040
here. you know, we uh

913
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,119
I mean, obviously all you guys could

914
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:34,800
understand that, you know, you'd be

915
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,720
equally as upset with this and I'm not

916
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:38,400
trying to drag anybody through the mud,

917
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,599
but obviously this man needs help and

918
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:43,280
obviously it's not going to get done as

919
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,359
on his own. I also worked with Mr. Anrio

920
00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:50,320
and this hoarding tendency also carried

921
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,280
over to work and it was also going on

922
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,800
there as well. And then when he was

923
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,800
forced to take it all home, it all got

924
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,200
hoarded into his yard as well. So this

925
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,960
is not an issue that is just going to go

926
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,720
away and he's not just going to clean

927
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:05,599
up. A couple people I know offered to

928
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:09,280
supply him dumpsters free of charge if

929
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,880
he just picked it up and threw it out.

930
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,480
He refuses to do that. He wants to

931
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,240
separate it all into scrap. So he's

932
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:16,960
clearly operating a illegal scrap

933
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,079
business out of his yard, which if I

934
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:22,000
remember correctly, Beach Street is

935
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,720
under investigation for the same thing.

936
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:28,320
Why is this not under investigation?

937
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,160
I think he's been shown bias because

938
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,920
he's a volunteer firefighter. While I do

939
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,560
appreciate that about him, it doesn't

940
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,720
make you exempt from this. And I'll

941
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,160
leave with that. Thank you.

942
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:46,390
>> Thank you.

943
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,240
My name is Nicole Trobridge. I live at

944
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:50,960
27 David Lane adjacent on the other side

945
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,760
of the house that um had the explosion.

946
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,280
I'd like to read on behalf of a neighbor

947
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:56,720
who couldn't be here today. I think he

948
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:59,200
summarized our experience well. I want

949
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,960
to begin by saying that this is not

950
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,480
personal. I have never had a negative

951
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,320
interaction with my neighbor. I do not

952
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,960
wish him harm. However, the condition of

953
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,480
this property has been a serious concern

954
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,160
for many years, and the recent fire

955
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,320
demonstrated exactly why. I have lived

956
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,960
in the neighborhood for approximately um

957
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,040
nearly 10 years. During that entire

958
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,480
time, the property has contained large

959
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,000
amounts of accumulated materials,

960
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,520
including including vehicle parts,

961
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,000
tires, fuel containers, propane tanks,

962
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,920
scrap materials, and other debris. The

963
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,760
condition of the property is visible to

964
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,320
anyone who drives by. At approximately

965
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,320
2:00 in the morning, um our neighborhood

966
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,079
was awakened by a massive fire. There

967
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:35,920
were explosions, flying debris, and

968
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,400
significant emergency response activity.

969
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,839
Children were outside their homes

970
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:41,920
watching the fire. I was concerned

971
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,760
enough about the possibility of a larger

972
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,359
explosion that I directed some of those

973
00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:46,960
children to come inside and stay away

974
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,040
from the scene. Thankfully, nobody was

975
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,960
seriously injured, but I believe we were

976
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,400
fortunate. The outcome could have been

977
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,480
much worse. What concerns me most is

978
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,079
that this was not an unforeseeable

979
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:57,760
event. Many residents [snorts] have

980
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,359
raised concerns about the property over

981
00:40:59,359 --> 00:41:00,960
the years. Those concerns were not

982
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,400
simply about appearances. There were

983
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,119
concerns about safety. The day after the

984
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:06,880
fire, numerous agencies responded to

985
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,800
investigate the site. Environmental

986
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,280
testing was conducted. The Department of

987
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,760
Energy and Environmental Protection um

988
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,839
even tested nearby wells because of the

989
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:16,960
concerns about the possible

990
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,119
contamination. That alone demonstrates

991
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:21,599
the seriousness of what occurred. I'm

992
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:23,359
asking the town to take whatever actions

993
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:25,280
they are are necessary to ensure this

994
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:26,960
property no longer presents a danger to

995
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,480
the neighborhood. Whether that means

996
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,160
inspections, code enforcement,

997
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,160
remediation, cleanup requirements, or

998
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,440
other legal measures is for the

999
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,578
appropriate officials to determine. What

1000
00:41:35,578 --> 00:41:37,520
[snorts] I am asking for is simple. A

1001
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,440
thorough inspection, transparency about

1002
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,040
the findings, and meaningful action so

1003
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,480
that the residents can feel confident

1004
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,560
that this will not happen again. The

1005
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,160
families who live nearby should not have

1006
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,839
to wonder whether the next fire,

1007
00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:49,839
explosion, or environmental hazard will

1008
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:52,079
be worse than the last one. We pay

1009
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:53,920
taxes, we maintain our homes, and we

1010
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,520
care about our community. We are simply

1011
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,200
asking the town to protect the safety of

1012
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,920
the people who live here. I'd also like

1013
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,400
to bring up a few separate concerns to

1014
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,640
um kind of go on the back of what Hank

1015
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,800
had mentioned about while we do

1016
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,440
appreciate this person's um commitment

1017
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:10,720
to the community as a volunteer

1018
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:12,960
firefighter in a past one. We do think

1019
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,879
that there was some bias shown.

1020
00:42:14,879 --> 00:42:16,160
[clears throat] Upon arriving to the

1021
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,319
scene, some firefighters indicated that

1022
00:42:18,319 --> 00:42:19,920
Mr. Anafhrio was there with a garden

1023
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,520
hose, was asked to leave several times

1024
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,440
and to get out of the way. He had not.

1025
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,200
Some firefighters were injured, although

1026
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,079
those reports have been pretty quiet. I

1027
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:29,839
had also talked to a police officer

1028
00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:31,440
about the possibility of substance

1029
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,440
abuse, as there is a history of that for

1030
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,760
Mr. Anrio. I often find him sleeping in

1031
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,200
his truck down the street. And that

1032
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,520
evening when I went outside at 2 a.m., I

1033
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,040
did see the headlights on, which I

1034
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,480
initially thought he was just coming

1035
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,680
home. I was told by the police officer

1036
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,119
was not their scope, and to talk to the

1037
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:48,800
fire marshal. The fire marshal told me

1038
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,400
it was not his responsibility to speak

1039
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,720
to the police. Hours had gone by, no

1040
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:55,280
tests, no answers. We were told an

1041
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,200
original idea of why the fire may have

1042
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,920
started and the story changed later on.

1043
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:02,400
I also um did not get much more

1044
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:03,760
information beyond that from the fire

1045
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,280
marshall, although I did hear about the

1046
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,359
award that Mr. Anrio was presented that

1047
00:43:07,359 --> 00:43:09,680
evening.

1048
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,000
I have not seen much of an apology from

1049
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,400
that man at all, which to be expected

1050
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,920
with someone who has not taken any

1051
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,240
responsibility from this. I would just

1052
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:20,160
like some accountability.

1053
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,560
That night at 2:00 a.m. when I went

1054
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,640
outside and brought my children to the

1055
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:29,670
edge of our yard, two metal pieces

1056
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:34,240
went flying by their heads.

1057
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:36,800
Age seven and nine. If it wasn't up the

1058
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,400
explosion, it could have been anything

1059
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,560
else.

1060
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:41,920
I'm sorry, but you have to wrap it up

1061
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,040
cuz you're over the

1062
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,319
>> Okay, that's fine. But, you know, to

1063
00:43:44,319 --> 00:43:46,079
hear that we are a town, not the

1064
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:48,880
Gustapo, doesn't feel very promising for

1065
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,640
change or a solution. I'd like you to

1066
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,079
consider the seriousness if this was

1067
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:53,520
your family involved.

1068
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,800
>> We understand the seriousness.

1069
00:43:54,800 --> 00:44:09,270
>> Thank you.

1070
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,359
My name is Roxan Blancefield. I live at

1071
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:14,240
10 David Lane. My grandchildren live

1072
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:16,720
right next door to that house. My

1073
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:18,960
concern with him is mental health issues

1074
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,480
and he has firearms in that house.

1075
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,960
When he's been contacted about the

1076
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,000
blight, has anybody gone in that house

1077
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,760
or actually walked through that

1078
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,680
backyard?

1079
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,520
I know there have been people in the

1080
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,359
front of the yard and talking to him.

1081
00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:39,520
I've got some serious concerns about his

1082
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,000
mental health issues and when push comes

1083
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,760
to shove and he's forced to clean up

1084
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,400
that mess. I'm afraid he's going to go

1085
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,560
after people as he's already gone after

1086
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,480
them verbally because he's angry about

1087
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,560
what's happened.

1088
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,280
We are angry and we would really like

1089
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,800
his guys to step up and force him to

1090
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,119
take care of that or step in and take

1091
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:10,790
care of it yourselves.

1092
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,240
I would also like to add thank you to

1093
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:13,520
the fire department. They did a

1094
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,040
phenomenal job on making sure the fire

1095
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,960
did not reach either of our houses. I

1096
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,319
was amazed because there was explosion

1097
00:45:20,319 --> 00:45:22,640
that I saw that I I basically wrote my

1098
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,520
house off and the fire department did a

1099
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,440
phenomenal job on taking care of the

1100
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,200
fire. Just want to end on a good note.

1101
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:35,910
>> Thank you.

1102
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,160
Are there any other public comments?

1103
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:43,589
>> Yes. [snorts]

1104
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:45,599
» Dave Tracel, 22 David Lane. I live

1105
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:47,440
across the street and I've been dealing

1106
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,760
with this for 10 years and I waited for

1107
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,920
10 years to say anything because we were

1108
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,520
pretty friendly in the beginning and at

1109
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:54,960
one time I tried to actually help him

1110
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,359
sell stuff, that sort of thing. It got

1111
00:45:57,359 --> 00:45:58,480
to the point I couldn't sit on my front

1112
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,040
porch anymore. Whatever. Don't care. I

1113
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,800
don't don't really care too much about

1114
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,359
that. Next thing you know, there's trash

1115
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:08,000
blowing in my yard, all that stuff. Next

1116
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:08,880
thing you know, I'm like, you know what?

1117
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,599
I'm done with this. File a complaint,

1118
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:13,119
follow the procedure, called the health

1119
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:14,720
department because I had my doubts that

1120
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:16,880
anything was going to happen. That was a

1121
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,440
year ago. Nothing happened. This is well

1122
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,440
documented,

1123
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,680
very well documented, and it looks very

1124
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,920
bad for the town.

1125
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,680
I've also noticed since I live across

1126
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:30,960
the street, every single day when I get

1127
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,480
up at 5:00 in the morning, I take a

1128
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,200
picture of the house because I'm the one

1129
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,640
that has to see it. My son, who now has

1130
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,640
to go to therapy because of all the

1131
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,480
explosions and gunshots and stuff that

1132
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,880
Nicole presented, has having a hard time

1133
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,720
sleeping at night. He wants to move. My

1134
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:48,720
kid wants to move. That's not an option.

1135
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:52,160
I'm not moving. He is.

1136
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,240
You following me here? This is not This

1137
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:57,359
situation is not sustainable for anyone.

1138
00:46:57,359 --> 00:47:00,079
and I'm not having it. So, I'm going to

1139
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:02,319
continue taking pictures every single

1140
00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:03,520
day and I'm going to probably start

1141
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:04,800
sending them to you because we're going

1142
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,280
to type pretty soon and I'm going to

1143
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,440
help you guys monitor the situation. I

1144
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,800
highly recommend you send someone down

1145
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,319
there at least twice a day cuz there's

1146
00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:13,839
no dumpster there. There's no dumpster

1147
00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:16,079
coming. He thinks he's going to get away

1148
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:18,000
with it.

1149
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:32,069
Don't let him.

1150
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,400
Hello, I'm Richard Zender. I live at 33

1151
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,839
David Lane. And like my neighbors, uh,

1152
00:47:37,839 --> 00:47:40,400
we've lived at that address for 37

1153
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,440
years. Uh, I don't really want to

1154
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,760
editorialize about Bob at all. I can't

1155
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,160
say I haven't been his friend. Evening

1156
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,920
walks, stop, talk to him while he's out

1157
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,480
in the driveway. But if there was any

1158
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,640
wind that evening or if we didn't have

1159
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,920
rains, heavy rains just prior to there's

1160
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,920
a water company property right behind

1161
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,680
everyone's house. The whole thing, it

1162
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,200
could have been a huge conflictration

1163
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,880
into the woods and everybody else, all

1164
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,880
the neighbors homes, at least on that

1165
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,359
side of the street. So, I've lived there

1166
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:11,119
too long to just sit there and not say

1167
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:13,680
anything. I tried to be quiet, but my

1168
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,200
neighbors are standing up, so I had to

1169
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,200
come up here and say something. Thank

1170
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:25,670
you.

1171
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,319
Are there any other public comments at

1172
00:48:28,319 --> 00:48:32,960
this time? Okay. We also received a um

1173
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,200
email for public comments to be entered

1174
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,359
into the record. It is I'm not going to

1175
00:48:37,359 --> 00:48:39,359
read the whole thing. I'll just It's

1176
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:42,400
from Cara Papa and her email uh we all

1177
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,839
have a copy at our desks and um our

1178
00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:48,000
clerk will enter it into the record. But

1179
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,359
it is in regards to

1180
00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:54,160
um right now that they there's a group

1181
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,359
of people that are collecting signatures

1182
00:48:57,359 --> 00:49:00,400
um for a petition to request a charter

1183
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,200
revision commission. So that is actively

1184
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,960
going on in town right now. Um and the

1185
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,119
whole letter the email will be as part

1186
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:11,119
of the minutes that everyone can read.

1187
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:14,160
Also, we also received an email from

1188
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,079
Bill Savastano, but he happens to be

1189
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:18,640
here tonight, and so he touched on his,

1190
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,599
but we will also enter his comments um

1191
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:24,000
written comments into the record uh that

1192
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,720
was submitted.

1193
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,960
Um

1194
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,520
and in our packet, there's also

1195
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,480
correspondence from a resident. This um

1196
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,559
because it's an anonymous letter, just

1197
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:38,559
to let people know, this will not become

1198
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:40,880
part of the minutes. Anonymous letters

1199
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,559
will not appear in our minutes at all.

1200
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:48,160
Um the the protocol is for any comments

1201
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,240
to come into our records. Um we need

1202
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:52,960
name and address. Um and so since it was

1203
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,440
anonymous, it will not be part of the

1204
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,520
record at all.

1205
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,800
Okay. Going on to resignations and

1206
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,640
appointments.

1207
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,640
Do I hear an appointment for Alexander

1208
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,640
Lenduli to the Veteran Service

1209
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,880
Commission as an alternate to replace

1210
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,760
Victoria Caroline term to expire

1211
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,480
1231208?

1212
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:17,920
>> I'll make the motion.

1213
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:18,960
>> Second.

1214
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,480
>> Motion was made by Deputy Mayor

1215
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,440
McMillan, seconded by Councelor Diamond.

1216
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,880
All in favor? I

1217
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:25,760
>> I

1218
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:30,800
>> opposed. Abstain. Motion carries.

1219
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,280
Um, next item, unfinished business.

1220
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,920
discussion and action tractor pull

1221
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,750
events.

1222
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,440
» Uh this was an item that was discussed

1223
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,760
at the May 19th town council meeting. Um

1224
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,720
the agriculture commission uh if you

1225
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:50,480
recall is looking to take over the

1226
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,400
tractor pull events. Um

1227
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,960
the issue revolved around liability

1228
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,119
insurance for the town. Um

1229
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:03,839
at that time we were awaiting

1230
00:51:03,839 --> 00:51:07,440
um some additional quotes for the

1231
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,720
insurance. Um it depended on a number of

1232
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:12,720
factors. So I touched base with Cliff

1233
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:15,839
Potter uh after the last meeting uh with

1234
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:17,839
the information that he provided. We got

1235
00:51:17,839 --> 00:51:20,960
updated quotes. The total uh for the two

1236
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,400
events would be $658

1237
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,480
per per year. Um so in addition to that

1238
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,319
uh

1239
00:51:30,319 --> 00:51:33,200
our insurance broker

1240
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,960
um had recommended some changes with our

1241
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,599
auto liability policies. As a result we

1242
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:40,240
have um a savings of approximately

1243
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:43,359
$7,000 in that line item in the next

1244
00:51:43,359 --> 00:51:46,079
fiscal year. Um and so there's

1245
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:48,720
sufficient funds available to cover that

1246
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:51,920
expense. Um and so you know the council

1247
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,520
had indicated that they wanted to pursue

1248
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,200
this if that uh amount is acceptable to

1249
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,440
you. Uh no further action is taken and

1250
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,040
we can provide the insurance coverage

1251
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,470
for the events.

1252
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,559
Does anyone have any questions in

1253
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:13,119
regards to this Rori? Okay. Move ahead.

1254
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:15,920
All right. Um the next item under

1255
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,400
unfinished business is use of opioid

1256
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,240
funds for the life pack 15. Uh this was

1257
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:25,040
approved at last month's meeting. Um

1258
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,680
unfortunately it was an incomplete um

1259
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:33,119
motion. Um on there uh because it it the

1260
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:36,400
cost of the this is exceeds our bid

1261
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:41,599
threshold. Um we need to wave the

1262
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:43,200
purchase requirement or the bid

1263
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:47,280
requirement for this um because this is

1264
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,240
uh these if I remember correct are

1265
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,040
refurbished life packs. Correct. Right.

1266
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,960
So on the refurbished there would only

1267
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,359
be one source the person that is doing

1268
00:52:57,359 --> 00:53:00,480
them and this is at quite a savings um

1269
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,640
if you had to buy them new. So we

1270
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,720
approve the purchase and where the funds

1271
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:07,520
would come from. So, there is a motion

1272
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,319
on page 30 of our packet that we have to

1273
00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:12,319
do to finish this one.

1274
00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:14,800
>> I'll make that motion. Uh, that town

1275
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,319
council wave the bid requirement for the

1276
00:53:16,319 --> 00:53:18,800
purchase of two life pack 15 monitors to

1277
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,040
the town's opioid fund in an amount not

1278
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,680
to exceed $53,500.

1279
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,359
Second that

1280
00:53:25,359 --> 00:53:27,520
>> motion was made by Deputy Mayor

1281
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,480
McMillan, seconded by Councelor Miller.

1282
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,400
Discussion.

1283
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,319
>> All in favor? I

1284
00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:34,880
>> I

1285
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:39,760
>> opposed. Abstain. Motion carries.

1286
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,559
Okay. Now we are on to new business

1287
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:45,839
discussion and action. First item is

1288
00:53:45,839 --> 00:53:47,599
Hall of Honor Veteran Service

1289
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:49,520
Commission.

1290
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,760
And I see Hamlet Hernandez is up.

1291
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,760
>> My name is Hamlet Hernandez. I reside at

1292
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,359
63 Ledgewood Drive in North Brford.

1293
00:53:59,359 --> 00:54:01,040
>> Good evening. I'm here on behalf of the

1294
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,480
Veteran Service Commission. First of

1295
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,319
all, I just want to thank the council

1296
00:54:04,319 --> 00:54:06,160
for their support of the commission. It

1297
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,559
was established by this council tonight.

1298
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:10,800
Really, we are here to really get

1299
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,760
clarification uh and a decision relative

1300
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,400
to the hall of honor. We envision we've

1301
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:17,839
been working on the hall of honor to

1302
00:54:17,839 --> 00:54:20,240
honor our veterans in town that are

1303
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:23,520
distinguished. And we had spoken to Mr.

1304
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,920
DS the predecessor to Rory and now to

1305
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,839
Todd

1306
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:32,640
around getting this hallway by the town

1307
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,599
assessors as dedicated area for the hall

1308
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:37,920
of honor. Uh we are working on the

1309
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,319
nomination form. We have just completed

1310
00:54:40,319 --> 00:54:42,480
that with the IT department. So, we have

1311
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,280
a nomination form that we will pair a

1312
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,599
communication to the community uh

1313
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:49,520
working with our town manager and

1314
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,400
through the uh the chairman which is not

1315
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,160
able who's not able to be here this

1316
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,319
evening, Zach Poston. He's out of town.

1317
00:54:56,319 --> 00:54:58,880
That's why I got chose to do this. And

1318
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,160
uh but we are very excited about this.

1319
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,480
It's a fantastic opportunity for us to

1320
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,920
recognize our distinguished veterans. We

1321
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,720
are our first class really. We are going

1322
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:13,280
to focus on historical figures in town.

1323
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,599
We have a really, really rich history in

1324
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:17,359
this town of veterans that have

1325
00:55:17,359 --> 00:55:19,280
contributed substantially and

1326
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,599
significantly going way back in town,

1327
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:23,920
way back in time. So that is what we

1328
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,400
envision for the first class. We hope to

1329
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,880
induct that first class in this calendar

1330
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,680
year right around Veterans Day. That's

1331
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,960
our goal. So we're working on that.

1332
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,040
The current work that we are doing is

1333
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,960
hopefully reaching out to the historical

1334
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,160
society um and partnering with them to

1335
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,040
find who these individuals are. Uh just

1336
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,000
walking through our cemeteries in town

1337
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,363
is there's a tremendous history there.

1338
00:55:50,363 --> 00:55:50,480
>> [clears throat]

1339
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,359
>> So really the ask for us this evening is

1340
00:55:53,359 --> 00:55:55,920
will you approve the hall of honor in

1341
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,240
this hallway and what we can do is we

1342
00:55:58,240 --> 00:55:59,839
can go come back to you with some

1343
00:55:59,839 --> 00:56:02,880
mockups so that you can see conceptually

1344
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,799
uh what it will look like but what we

1345
00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:07,440
envision is just plaques with a picture

1346
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,000
of the veteran if it's available with a

1347
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,359
brief uh summary of their work uh and

1348
00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:15,520
their contributions both in the military

1349
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,079
as well in their civilian life. Um and

1350
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:21,920
the wall will be really um on the left

1351
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,599
side and on the right side will just

1352
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:26,240
start by class. Originally we had

1353
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:28,079
thought perhaps big plaques with little

1354
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:30,319
placards but we really wanted to do

1355
00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:32,160
justice to the veterans. So we thought

1356
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,040
we would just have a 8 by I think it's 8

1357
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,559
by1. Is that right Victoria?

1358
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:36,960
>> Yes it is.

1359
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,160
>> Okay. An 8 by11 plaque. Uh we do have

1360
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:41,920
some purchase orders uh that we're

1361
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,839
working with the town manager right now.

1362
00:56:43,839 --> 00:56:46,000
hopefully that we can start uh

1363
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,440
purchasing them because we need some

1364
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,520
lead time to prepare these and to get

1365
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,599
the citations in November is right

1366
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:54,960
around the corner. So that is the ask

1367
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,799
and uh and again I just want to thank

1368
00:56:56,799 --> 00:56:58,559
everybody and I want to acknowledge

1369
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:01,839
Chuck Larkin and Victoria Caroline uh

1370
00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:04,319
two members that work with us on the

1371
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:06,079
Veterans Commission.

1372
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:07,760
>> Can I make the motion for the wall of

1373
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:08,400
honor?

1374
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,640
>> You certainly may. Go right ahead. I'd

1375
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,319
like to make a motion for the wall of

1376
00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:15,040
honor between the

1377
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,720
>> town the this hallway and by where the

1378
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,920
countessor is. Sir,

1379
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,200
>> what's the official name of that

1380
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,000
hallway?

1381
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,240
>> It's north hallway.

1382
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,359
>> Northway.

1383
00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:27,959
>> The north wall on the north hallway.

1384
00:57:27,959 --> 00:57:28,799
[laughter]

1385
00:57:28,799 --> 00:57:32,150
>> Second.

1386
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,480
» Okay. The motion was made by councelor

1387
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,559
Go, seconded by councelor Mace. Um,

1388
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:41,920
Milink, you guys have a budget. So,

1389
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,079
that's what you're working out of to

1390
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:45,520
purchase these plaques.

1391
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:46,799
>> That is correct. We're staying within

1392
00:57:46,799 --> 00:57:47,680
our budget.

1393
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:48,079
>> Okay.

1394
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:49,520
>> And we thank you for that financial

1395
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:50,960
support because we couldn't do it

1396
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:51,839
without that.

1397
00:57:51,839 --> 00:57:52,960
>> Okay. So,

1398
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,319
>> going to go on top of the school kids

1399
00:57:54,319 --> 00:57:55,599
work.

1400
00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:59,440
>> Um, I I'm not sure if they're removing

1401
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,440
those bulletin boards and putting them

1402
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,359
in a different spot. I don't know

1403
00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:03,839
exactly

1404
00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:05,520
>> the logistics of that. That That's a

1405
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,359
great question. the logistics of that.

1406
00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:09,839
We were we were working with Mr. DS at

1407
00:58:09,839 --> 00:58:12,960
the time and he had indicated to us that could be relocated. We still wanted

1408
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,200
to honor the work of the students and it

1409
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,280
was just a matter of relocating that.

1410
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,000
That's all.

1411
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,760
>> Any other questions?

1412
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:22,720
>> Thank you for doing this.

1413
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,319
>> Okay. You're Well, you're most welcome.

1414
00:58:24,319 --> 00:58:24,640
Thank you.

1415
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,520
>> All right. Thank all in favor.

1416
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:32,160
>> I opposed abstain. Motion carries. So

1417
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,319
you can continue on with your work.

1418
00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:37,200
Thank you very much. Thank you.

1419
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,680
>> Okay. The next item is Eastshore

1420
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,160
District Health Department Water Quality

1421
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,400
Report.

1422
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,799
And I believe the director is here from

1423
00:58:46,799 --> 00:58:49,040
East Shore. Mike, if you would like to

1424
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,640
come up.

1425
00:58:50,640 --> 00:59:04,950
>> Sure.

1426
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,920
Good evening. Um, Michael Pascilla,

1427
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,160
director of public health. Uh, with me

1428
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:14,000
tonight, uh, is Amy Schultz, who is the

1429
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,319
deputy director of health, and Sarah

1430
00:59:16,319 --> 00:59:18,960
Eder, who is one of our employees who's

1431
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,440
leading this water quality project. Uh,

1432
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,040
so, mayor, deputy mayor, and council,

1433
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,559
thank you for giving us the opportunity

1434
00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:28,640
to present this um, water quality

1435
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,480
presentation and talk a little bit about

1436
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,640
our funding request. Um, we're going to

1437
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,240
split it in two. Um, I'm going to have

1438
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,000
Sarah, who's leading the project, go

1439
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,760
over the research um, very quickly and

1440
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,240
then I'll talk about the implications in

1441
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:48,870
the funding.

1442
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,119
It takes a second

1443
00:59:51,119 --> 01:00:36,470
minute.

1444
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,079
Is it working any?

1445
01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:41,440
>> Yeah, it's not [laughter] appearing.

1446
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,359
>> I see the countdown went down. Oh,

1447
01:00:43,359 --> 01:00:44,319
there's no signal.

1448
01:00:44,319 --> 01:00:46,426
>> That's a video of the waterme.

1449
01:00:46,426 --> 01:00:48,870
[laughter]

1450
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,319
» It's a beautiful waterfall.

1451
01:00:50,319 --> 01:00:58,862
>> Very blue.

1452
01:00:58,872 --> 01:01:01,482
» [clears throat]

1453
01:01:01,492 --> 01:01:02,799
[snorts]

1454
01:01:02,799 --> 01:01:06,480
>> Is any of this information in our packet

1455
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:07,280
>> or not?

1456
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,119
>> No, I just got the presentation earlier

1457
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:09,920
today.

1458
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:19,990
>> Um

1459
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:32,950
HTML.

1460
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,960
>> There we go.

1461
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,549
>> All right.

1462
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:42,880
So, as

1463
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,799
um as Mike said, my name is Sarah Essen.

1464
01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:46,319
I'm the water quality coordinator for

1465
01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:49,280
Eastshore. um been there since 2019 and

1466
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,119
the work in the Farm River has been uh a

1467
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:54,640
mainstay of my work since I've started

1468
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,640
there. So I'm looking forward to showing

1469
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,000
you a little bit of what we've done and

1470
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,040
what we're hoping to do there.

1471
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,440
So you can go to this.

1472
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,079
Yeah. So the farm the Farm River has a

1473
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:07,920
long history of high bacteria and

1474
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:08,960
there's a lot of people and

1475
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:10,400
organizations who have been doing

1476
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:14,000
research on it. Um, since the 1990s, not

1477
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:15,599
only East Shore and Yale, but the

1478
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:17,200
regional water authority and Connecticut

1479
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,480
deep um have had some concerns about

1480
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:21,920
bacteria in the water and have been

1481
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,559
doing testing in different areas. Um,

1482
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:26,720
further down the river uh in East Haven

1483
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,319
and Brford, there have been concerns

1484
01:02:28,319 --> 01:02:30,480
especially over beach closures and

1485
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,880
shellfish bed closures. This was the

1486
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:34,240
reason that I got involved with the farm

1487
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,839
river water quality starting in 2019.

1488
01:02:37,839 --> 01:02:40,000
uh sampling was expanded starting to use

1489
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,160
microbial source tracking. We found high

1490
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,319
bacteria counts along the river and so

1491
01:02:44,319 --> 01:02:45,839
we started using this new technology

1492
01:02:45,839 --> 01:02:47,920
that let us see what animal species was

1493
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,440
associated with it starting in 2023.

1494
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,920
Um this work if you go to the next slide

1495
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,680
this work has been done along the length

1496
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,079
of the farm river um in East Haven and

1497
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:01,760
Brford and then all the way up through

1498
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,280
North Brford [clears throat] um all the

1499
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,359
way up to Augur Park. Right now we're

1500
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:07,680
testing water quality at three locations

1501
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,440
in North Brford on the Farm River. At

1502
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,440
the Route 80 bridge, at Pages Mil Pond,

1503
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,760
and at Auger Park. Um we're also doing a

1504
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,359
water quality project at Cedar Lake,

1505
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:16,559
which Mike will talk to you a little bit

1506
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:19,359
more about later.

1507
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:20,880
Along the Farm River, we're continuing

1508
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,599
to see very high E.coli levels. Um,

1509
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:26,079
we've seen we started studying the lower

1510
01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:27,520
farm river because of the concerns of

1511
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,520
East Haven and Brford, but our water

1512
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,200
quality led us further and further north

1513
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:32,400
up the river, and we're seeing the

1514
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,559
highest ecoli counts above the marsh and

1515
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:37,599
particularly in North Brford. Now, in

1516
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:40,480
2024 and 2025, um, this was pretty

1517
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,799
consistent. Starting in 2026, we're

1518
01:03:42,799 --> 01:03:45,039
seeing these high ecoli ecoli counts

1519
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:47,359
even earlier in the year. Um, normally

1520
01:03:47,359 --> 01:03:48,880
as the water gets warmer, we get higher

1521
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,480
bacterial counts, but this year we are

1522
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,559
starting to see high E.coli counts at

1523
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:54,880
all locations in May, um, even earlier

1524
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,680
at some places. So, you can see the map

1525
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:58,880
here, these are the three locations

1526
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,280
we've tested. Um, all of them have had

1527
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,640
high E.coli counts um, in 2026 and in

1528
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,200
May in the last sampling. Um, if you go

1529
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,200
to the next one,

1530
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:10,960
uh, we've had a limited budget for

1531
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,200
preliminary studies with the species

1532
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,359
testing. Um but both of the sites that

1533
01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:16,960
we've tested for human waste, the two

1534
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,640
lower ones at Pages Mil Pond and the

1535
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,799
Route 80 Bridge, um we have detected

1536
01:04:20,799 --> 01:04:23,280
human waste. So this is an issue that's

1537
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:24,559
very much of interest to the health

1538
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:26,559
department. We do have some samples for

1539
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:28,160
Augur Park and we have other samples

1540
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,000
from Pages Mil Pond and the Route 80

1541
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,599
bridge um that we would need more

1542
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:33,119
funding to be able to test to get a a

1543
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:35,200
more full picture. Um but because human

1544
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:36,720
waste has been detected, this is an

1545
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:41,109
important issue for us.

1546
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:44,960
I'll turn this over to Mike now.

1547
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:46,880
All right. So, on the water quality

1548
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,119
implications, whenever we find human

1549
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:50,799
waste in [clears throat] detectable

1550
01:04:50,799 --> 01:04:53,039
levels, we're obligated from a public

1551
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:55,119
health standpoint to investigate and do

1552
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:56,880
some remediation.

1553
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:01,599
Um, the ecoli levels do impact North

1554
01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:04,559
Brford residents. The river is used um

1555
01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:07,359
for many different activities. Um, and

1556
01:05:07,359 --> 01:05:11,200
so there's a direct relationship to

1557
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,680
North Brford residents. Also, if we go

1558
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,200
down to the river and into Long Island

1559
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,520
Sound, North Bford residents enjoy the

1560
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:23,200
coastal activities. And as we when we

1561
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,480
started this study, we started Long

1562
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,720
Island Sound in a lower river and now

1563
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,920
the sampling is leading us up the river,

1564
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,160
which impacts obviously Long Island

1565
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,760
Sound. talking to North Brford, I'm

1566
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,559
sorry, Brford and East Haven. One of the

1567
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:42,319
questions that has come up because

1568
01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:45,440
they've been funding the project. Um, is

1569
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,039
North Brford contributing to the

1570
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:48,400
project? And that's one of the reasons

1571
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,319
why I'm here and I'll talk a little bit

1572
01:05:50,319 --> 01:05:53,599
more about that. Go to the next slide.

1573
01:05:53,599 --> 01:06:00,799
Um, Cedar Lake. Um so in 20 um

1574
01:06:00,799 --> 01:06:06,079
2004 and in recently we've have had some

1575
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:10,880
issues with closing the lake. Um there's

1576
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,520
been allergy blooms. So in based on

1577
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,000
hearing from residents in the fall of

1578
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,559
2025

1579
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:20,799
u we did a sanitary survey. We did some

1580
01:06:20,799 --> 01:06:24,799
sampling. We um walked around the lake.

1581
01:06:24,799 --> 01:06:26,319
We looked at maps, looked at the

1582
01:06:26,319 --> 01:06:28,559
elevation, and the preliminary work is

1583
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:31,119
continuing now in 2026.

1584
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:33,440
Um this is very preliminary. We have

1585
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,400
been meeting with Connecticut Deep. Um

1586
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,240
we're sharing information between the

1587
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,039
two agencies and at some point we're

1588
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:42,799
going to bring in Tilcon officials just

1589
01:06:42,799 --> 01:06:46,400
to talk a little bit about um the

1590
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,480
quality of the water at Cedar Lake.

1591
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,640
Again, it's very preliminary and some of

1592
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,920
the funding is to just do a deeper dive

1593
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,839
um into Cedar Lake. Next slide.

1594
01:06:57,839 --> 01:06:59,599
And then I just want to just quickly

1595
01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:01,599
talk about the funding just so you

1596
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:06,480
understand how we got to this place. Um

1597
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,720
I don't I I don't take it lightly to

1598
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,119
come here given the financial situation

1599
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:12,799
and asking for funding. And typically

1600
01:07:12,799 --> 01:07:15,839
what we have done is we have exhausted

1601
01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:18,400
grant money as as much as we can our own

1602
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:22,240
funds. And so in 2011

1603
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,799
uh we received a state grant for a

1604
01:07:24,799 --> 01:07:27,280
little over $41,000.

1605
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:31,200
In 2017 we received $50,000 but it was

1606
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,280
three three watersheds. We received a

1607
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,520
third of that funding. And then if we

1608
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,480
fast forward to um and I'll go through

1609
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,400
the the

1610
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,400
um different funds in the town. So the

1611
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,960
town of East Haven um was giving some

1612
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,400
inind resources and in 2024 they

1613
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,400
contributed $20,000 to the project um

1614
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:56,559
into 2025 and and this year 2026 they

1615
01:07:56,559 --> 01:07:59,599
committed another $15,000.

1616
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:02,079
uh New England Green or New Haven Green

1617
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:04,880
Foundation has given $8,000.

1618
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,839
Uh Brford town of Brford has given

1619
01:08:07,839 --> 01:08:11,839
$20,000 and again $15,000. So both towns

1620
01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:15,039
gave us funding twice. Um

1621
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:18,239
Brford Community Foundation has given us

1622
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:19,839
$2500

1623
01:08:19,839 --> 01:08:22,560
uh for the study um along Long Island

1624
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,560
Sound, Short Beach area, and up to Farm

1625
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,960
River. state of connect Connecticut gave

1626
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,120
us $10,000.

1627
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,920
Um and then the Brford Short Beach

1628
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:36,880
Association has given us $17,000 for the

1629
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,799
testing and the study along with inind

1630
01:08:38,799 --> 01:08:44,000
services. East Shore um is is donating

1631
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:48,960
about $100,000 plus a year. Um, and

1632
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:53,199
we've lobbied for paid internships. Um,

1633
01:08:53,199 --> 01:08:55,520
and

1634
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,679
as we've gone up the river, the

1635
01:08:57,679 --> 01:08:59,759
microbial source tracking that we need

1636
01:08:59,759 --> 01:09:03,040
to do is basically DNA analysis is very

1637
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:04,880
expensive sampling, somewhere around

1638
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,640
$800 a sample. And so,

1639
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,480
East Haven in Brford has paid for some

1640
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:16,319
of the the uh sampling results. It's a

1641
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:18,640
private lab that we're using. And so,

1642
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,199
um, we're here tonight to ask the town

1643
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:24,560
of North Brford to contribute $10,000,

1644
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:31,829
uh, towards, um, towards this study.

1645
01:09:31,839 --> 01:09:34,239
» Next slide.

1646
01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:36,719
>> All right. So, uh, with that, um, that's

1647
01:09:36,719 --> 01:09:38,319
we wanted to keep it short, sweet

1648
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:40,880
because we know you have a a busy agenda

1649
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,080
and so we're asking for $10,000 and we

1650
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:45,920
hope you'll consider, um, the funding

1651
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,520
for this project.

1652
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:50,319
>> What initiated this project?

1653
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:54,080
>> Um, so in Long So, in Long Island Sound,

1654
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,480
um, we have multi-million dollar

1655
01:09:56,480 --> 01:09:58,719
shellfish beds. We've had beaches that

1656
01:09:58,719 --> 01:10:01,360
we have had to close on a regular basis

1657
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,080
outside the Farm River watershed. And so

1658
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,640
we started in that area and then we

1659
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,199
started going up the river and as we

1660
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:12,239
went up the river um we have identified

1661
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:14,320
some sources and doing some remediation

1662
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:18,480
again with Brford and East Haven and and

1663
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:20,400
any good study you also have to look

1664
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,080
upstream. So we took some samples

1665
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,239
upstream and we started getting some

1666
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:26,080
high bacteria levels. So we took some

1667
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,120
more samples and again high bacteria

1668
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:32,239
levels. So initially we did and use some

1669
01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:35,120
of our funding to uh do the microbial

1670
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,159
source tracking and we we did find is u

1671
01:10:38,159 --> 01:10:40,960
detectable human levels and so now we

1672
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,920
need to um now that we know that's an

1673
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,000
area of concern we're going to go in and

1674
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,159
just do some more sampling and see if we

1675
01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:49,600
can identify the source.

1676
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,679
>> Sir from the North Bampford perspective

1677
01:10:51,679 --> 01:10:54,239
the sources that you took from was that

1678
01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:57,040
aven bacteria from what I understood

1679
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:58,080
that might have been brought to our

1680
01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:59,120
attention during another committee

1681
01:10:59,120 --> 01:10:59,280
meeting.

1682
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,320
>> Yes. So we we have found different types

1683
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,880
of contamination. So there's typically

1684
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:08,560
aven canine um there's also ruminant

1685
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:11,120
which is farm animals and then human

1686
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,120
where right now we're looking at the

1687
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,120
human contamination

1688
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:16,800
because that is at the top of our list

1689
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:17,920
but we're going to look at those other

1690
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,320
sources and through the microbial source

1691
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:23,840
tracking um we'll have a a better idea

1692
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,520
once we get more sampling results to see

1693
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,560
where they are. um how high the levels

1694
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:34,239
are and then from there we can start to

1695
01:11:34,239 --> 01:11:36,239
do some remediation.

1696
01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:38,719
>> Is there a concern that um there's

1697
01:11:38,719 --> 01:11:41,679
enough contamination that we need to be

1698
01:11:41,679 --> 01:11:43,760
making our citizens aware of this

1699
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:45,679
contamination when people fish the river

1700
01:11:45,679 --> 01:11:47,840
people go in for recreation or is that

1701
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,000
at a level where recreation needs to be

1702
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,320
considered? So not not at this time. And

1703
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,880
the reason why is just because it's

1704
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:56,800
identified doesn't mean it's pathogenic.

1705
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:58,480
And so through this testing, we'll have

1706
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:00,640
a better idea. So if I test water

1707
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:02,800
anywhere, I'm going to find some level

1708
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:04,960
of human contamination. We're going to

1709
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,440
find birds and canine. What we need to

1710
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:10,719
do is to do some more sample sampling

1711
01:12:10,719 --> 01:12:12,800
and quantify it and see where that

1712
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,960
threshold is. Just a few samples is not

1713
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:16,159
enough.

1714
01:12:16,159 --> 01:12:17,120
>> Okay.

1715
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:18,159
>> Yeah. Yeah, we don't want to scare

1716
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:19,425
folks, but you know, right

1717
01:12:19,425 --> 01:12:20,880
[clears throat] now we we have

1718
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:22,080
identified it and now we have an

1719
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,000
obligation to take it to the next step.

1720
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:24,880
>> Okay.

1721
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,520
>> How does deep fit into this? You know,

1722
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,159
how does the different organizations

1723
01:12:30,159 --> 01:12:30,960
work on?

1724
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,679
>> Yeah. So, o over the years, um there's

1725
01:12:33,679 --> 01:12:35,840
been many studies on the farm river

1726
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,520
watershed. In fact, there's a group

1727
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,120
friends of the farm river that regularly

1728
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,560
go out and do some sampling. There's

1729
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,800
been some private sampling that's done.

1730
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,280
And what we have done specifically SAR

1731
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,000
is we getting our arms around all that

1732
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,199
research um because not all the

1733
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:53,440
organizations are communicating. There's

1734
01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:55,679
been some studies that no one ever

1735
01:12:55,679 --> 01:12:57,679
contacted us. And so that's like one of

1736
01:12:57,679 --> 01:12:59,120
the projects that we're doing is

1737
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:00,640
wrapping our arms around all the

1738
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:04,000
research. Um we have consulted with uh

1739
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,920
with deep. Um but on deep side it's

1740
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,480
really more of a local matter. um you

1741
01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:11,825
know so if we find other sources

1742
01:13:11,825 --> 01:13:13,679
[snorts] we can certainly consult with

1743
01:13:13,679 --> 01:13:16,480
them and we have consulted with them but

1744
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:19,280
typically rivers are and for finding

1745
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,880
human waste um

1746
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,840
we as a agency as a local agency in

1747
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,960
towns have to conduct the research um we

1748
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:30,960
have applied for some of the grant money

1749
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,360
and I I you know I've looked at lots of

1750
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,360
grants we applied for several we haven't

1751
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,320
gotten them right now in the world of

1752
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:39,920
environmental health grants grants.

1753
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,640
They're just not a lot. Um so the feds

1754
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,800
and the state have done some cutting.

1755
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:46,640
We've looked at community foundation

1756
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,199
grants and unfortunately there, as I'm

1757
01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:52,080
aware of, there's no um local North

1758
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,400
Brford community foundation grants we

1759
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:58,800
can we can apply for. And um we have

1760
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:02,159
exhausted every grant that we could, you

1761
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:03,520
know, those are the ones we got. There's

1762
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:05,199
a whole number of ones that we didn't

1763
01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:08,400
receive. Um, we've gone to the towns of

1764
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,600
Brford and East Haven and now we're

1765
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,400
going up the river and we we're

1766
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,560
concerned with some of the results that

1767
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,560
we're getting. Again, it's preliminary.

1768
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,280
Um, and so next steps for us is we're

1769
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:22,800
going to take some more samples. We're

1770
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:24,640
hoping for this funding and then we will

1771
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,960
come back and report out um once we get

1772
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,239
the results.

1773
01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:29,440
>> Anthony, would we have room in

1774
01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:31,040
contingency to help with the funding on

1775
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:31,360
this?

1776
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,920
>> Certainly. Is it the contingency? This

1777
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:37,360
year's current contingency.

1778
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,596
>> I have a couple questions.

1779
01:14:39,596 --> 01:14:40,400
[clears throat] How'd you come up with

1780
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,526
the figure of $10,000 for North Mar?

1781
01:14:43,526 --> 01:14:44,080
[snorts]

1782
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:48,159
>> So, when we look at the farm river, um

1783
01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:51,440
lower river is actually wider. Um

1784
01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:55,360
there's more area to um to test. There's

1785
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:58,239
it's more um more houses, more

1786
01:14:58,239 --> 01:14:59,920
subdivisions. where as we go up the

1787
01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:02,320
river, it narrows and there's not as

1788
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:05,920
much. Um, we were thinking about um

1789
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:09,360
asking for the 15 or $20,000. But what

1790
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,600
we wanted to do is we wanted to be fair.

1791
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,640
Um, the next phase of the study, $10,000

1792
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,320
will cover the next phase of the study.

1793
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,719
When we get the results,

1794
01:15:18,719 --> 01:15:21,840
depending on what that is,

1795
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,320
there may be more testing that's needed.

1796
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:25,679
We may have to come back here or look

1797
01:15:25,679 --> 01:15:27,600
for other grants. But we we wanted to be

1798
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:31,040
fair as a start like we did in Brford

1799
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:33,600
and East Haven. So this is a start.

1800
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,520
>> How do we know when the $10,000 has

1801
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,120
expired? I mean, is there a time frame

1802
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:37,520
for this?

1803
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:43,120
>> Um, well, I put together a report and it it outlines a budget.

1804
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:44,480
>> So, you should have gotten that.

1805
01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:46,400
>> It's in our packet. That the budget's in

1806
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:47,120
our packet.

1807
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:50,320
>> All right. So, I'm not a fisherman.

1808
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,880
I can't ever remember going fishing, but

1809
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,640
I do see people fishing in the Farm

1810
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,800
River. Is the farm up in North Branford?

1811
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,960
Is it stocked? And if they catch the

1812
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,199
fish, are the fish edible or we have to

1813
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:02,640
worry about this bacteria?

1814
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,640
>> So, as of right now, we're not doing

1815
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,080
shell fishing. Shell fishing is

1816
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:07,440
different. You know, [snorts] that's

1817
01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:10,000
more in the saltwater bodies. Freshwater

1818
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,480
fish, even if there's some level of

1819
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:16,239
human waste. It's not going to it should

1820
01:16:16,239 --> 01:16:17,920
not contaminate the fish, at least not

1821
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:19,760
at the preliminary levels that we have

1822
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,440
seen.

1823
01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:22,719
>> All right. Thank you.

1824
01:16:22,719 --> 01:16:24,239
>> You're welcome. I always wonder if they

1825
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:26,719
caught the fish if they ate them.

1826
01:16:26,719 --> 01:16:28,159
>> You're you're eating the meat of the

1827
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:31,600
fish. So, it's not um it's not

1828
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,880
>> as um dangerous. And again, the levels

1829
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:38,400
we're seeing are high enough that we

1830
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,080
need to do an investigation, but they're

1831
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,040
not so high that we are sounding any

1832
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,120
alarms. We need to just investigate a

1833
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:45,600
bit further.

1834
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:46,719
>> But I always thought when you were

1835
01:16:46,719 --> 01:16:48,400
fishing, the water had to be moving,

1836
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,239
running somewhere. So, the water was

1837
01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:52,960
still was not a good sign.

1838
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,199
water as well. Is it is the farm river

1839
01:16:55,199 --> 01:16:56,880
stock by the state?

1840
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:57,199
>> Yes.

1841
01:16:57,199 --> 01:16:57,679
it is.

1842
01:16:57,679 --> 01:16:59,840
>> It is. Okay. I didn't tell you.

1843
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:01,600
>> And this is um running river water.

1844
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:02,880
We're finding it.

1845
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,040
>> Um so, you know, that that's another

1846
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,600
area of concern when we see any kind of

1847
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,080
contamination in running water. Um

1848
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:13,440
especially over time.

1849
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:15,120
>> So, with your testing, you'd be trying

1850
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,120
to narrow it down to find out if there's

1851
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,280
failed septic system somewhere or where

1852
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:20,400
the sources. Is that

1853
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,040
>> correct? Yes. Yeah. So, next steps is

1854
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,719
we'll we'll

1855
01:17:26,719 --> 01:17:28,320
take some more sampling. We're looking

1856
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,040
at maps and trying to see where um and

1857
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,600
as we walk the river, we're looking for

1858
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,560
pipes or any areas of direct discharge.

1859
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:40,880
Um and when we do the testing in

1860
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,040
different areas, the levels are going to

1861
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,679
go up or down. And as they go up, we

1862
01:17:45,679 --> 01:17:47,679
kind of home in on those areas. And then

1863
01:17:47,679 --> 01:17:49,120
if you know there are some failing

1864
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:51,040
septic systems, we would have to

1865
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:51,360
>> yeah,

1866
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:52,560
>> we would have to address that.

1867
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:55,040
Obviously, we'd be working with

1868
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:56,640
different town officials and we've been

1869
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:58,159
talking to the town officials about

1870
01:17:58,159 --> 01:17:58,960
this.

1871
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:00,640
>> But the northern end of the almost

1872
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,640
origin of the Farm River is in a zone

1873
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:06,800
that has primarily sept or sewer it if

1874
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:08,800
you know in that general watershed area.

1875
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:10,080
So there's not as much septic in there

1876
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,320
or homes around it. So hopefully not up

1877
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:13,120
that far. But

1878
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:18,719
>> yeah, it's a it's a mixed bag. Um but you know and it could be a broken uh

1879
01:18:18,719 --> 01:18:20,080
public sewer line somewhere.

1880
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:20,320
>> Yeah.

1881
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:21,920
>> It could be leaking. So again, this is

1882
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:23,199
where we need to

1883
01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:24,080
>> go a little deeper

1884
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:25,280
>> to look into it. Sure.

1885
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:26,960
>> So you've been doing this for several

1886
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:28,560
years,

1887
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,320
>> this testing.

1888
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,560
>> So why wouldn't it why wouldn't it be in

1889
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,120
your budget?

1890
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:36,560
>> Why wouldn't the testing be in our

1891
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:37,679
budget?

1892
01:18:37,679 --> 01:18:38,640
>> You did it last year.

1893
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,040
>> So actually it has been in our budget in

1894
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:42,400
the sense that we've been doing this

1895
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,840
since 2012. I mean, if you go back to

1896
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,800
about the 1990s, there was some testing

1897
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,600
done, but technology has changed. Um,

1898
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,640
and we started at the lower Farm River

1899
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,400
in Long Island Sound because that was

1900
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,159
the biggest area of concern because we

1901
01:18:58,159 --> 01:19:00,320
were seeing beach closures. We were

1902
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:02,000
seeing high bacteria levels that

1903
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,960
impacted shellfish beds. And so that's

1904
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,440
where we started and then we started

1905
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:10,480
moving up. And as we moved up, we

1906
01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:12,079
identified some other areas of concern.

1907
01:19:12,079 --> 01:19:12,719
[snorts]

1908
01:19:12,719 --> 01:19:15,280
And the only source of that those shell

1909
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,520
beds get contaminated was right above

1910
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:19,920
from the farm river just in that area.

1911
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:21,920
>> That's one of the areas. Yes. I mean,

1912
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:23,520
but it also could be from Long Island

1913
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,520
Sound, but but coming from the river was

1914
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,144
the main source. In fact, the Department

1915
01:19:27,144 --> 01:19:29,600
[snorts] of Aquaculture downgraded some

1916
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,080
of the shellfish beds in a farm river

1917
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,560
because of some of the high bacterial

1918
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,880
levels.

1919
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:38,880
>> Yeah.

1920
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,920
>> How does Cedar Lake tie into this? Cedar

1921
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:43,679
Lake. How does that tie into that?

1922
01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:48,159
>> Um so when we when we were looking at

1923
01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:50,640
Farm River Cedar Lake a couple years

1924
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,000
ago, um we again we we're seeing um

1925
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,480
residents came to us. We we had to close

1926
01:19:56,480 --> 01:20:00,480
the beach. Uh 2024 also [snorts] we saw

1927
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:04,000
some um allergy blooms. Um and we

1928
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,239
recommended no more swimming. And so

1929
01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:08,800
then we started sampling

1930
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:10,960
at about the same time as we were going

1931
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,199
up the farm river. So what we decided to

1932
01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:16,239
do is roll these two projects into one

1933
01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:17,920
>> um because we have a number of uh

1934
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:19,520
interns right now that are working for

1935
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:23,280
us taking water samples and so we

1936
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:26,480
extended the farm river and added um

1937
01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:29,040
Cedar Lake to it because Sar's working

1938
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:32,159
on a water water quality project.

1939
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:34,239
>> Okay. So I didn't quite understand the

1940
01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:37,840
re the the answer on so so you you're

1941
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,400
looking for $40,000 15 [snorts]

1942
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:41,600
and 10.

1943
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,480
>> So all three wasn't that in your budget.

1944
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:46,320
>> We just came through the budget period.

1945
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:48,480
So why don't you just put that money

1946
01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:50,239
that you need for this water testing in

1947
01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:51,840
your budget?

1948
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,800
>> You mean in the U per capita fund

1949
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:56,320
budget? So

1950
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:59,199
>> your budget we we just we just approved

1951
01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:01,679
our share of East Shore Health. So what

1952
01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:04,080
I'm saying if you put that 40,000 in and

1953
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:08,470
divided it by the three towns

1954
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:10,560
» that's minuscule coming to us after the

1955
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:11,760
fact.

1956
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,480
>> So we didn't we wanted to keep the per

1957
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:18,480
>> we wanted to keep the per capita budget

1958
01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:19,840
um which [clears throat and snorts] for

1959
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:22,560
our normal

1960
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:24,880
programs as low as possible. So we

1961
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:26,719
didn't want to increase the per capita

1962
01:21:26,719 --> 01:21:29,679
budget for a water quality study because

1963
01:21:29,679 --> 01:21:31,920
at some point this is going to end. So

1964
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:34,880
it would not be fair to the towns if I

1965
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:38,960
raise the per capita significantly

1966
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:42,480
every year for a single project. And so

1967
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:45,840
what we did is we separated it out.

1968
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,000
So that that's why because because if I

1969
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:51,120
raised the per capita [snorts] to 1617

1970
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:52,560
we would be having a different kind of

1971
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:56,000
conversation. Um, also it wouldn't be

1972
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:57,679
fair to the towns across the board

1973
01:21:57,679 --> 01:22:01,199
because the lower farm river would get

1974
01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:03,360
more resources than the upper farm

1975
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:06,320
river. So that's, you know, that that's

1976
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,000
one of the reasons why we kept this,

1977
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,480
>> but also for like Brford and East Haven.

1978
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:13,600
So, you know, they own the beaches that

1979
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:15,360
get closed.

1980
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,520
>> They have some of it's public, some of

1981
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:19,440
it's private. My son-in-law owns it

1982
01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:24,159
shellfish and bed. um the

1983
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:26,480
you know those those properties in

1984
01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:28,080
Brford and East Haven. I mean it's a lot

1985
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,547
easier for them to come up with 15,000

1986
01:22:30,547 --> 01:22:31,760
[clears throat] when they're getting

1987
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,719
have house after house after house on

1988
01:22:34,719 --> 01:22:36,639
the shoreline on the beach paying well

1989
01:22:36,639 --> 01:22:39,440
over a h 100,000 in town taxes in North

1990
01:22:39,440 --> 01:22:41,600
Frankfurt. We don't have a right to go

1991
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,639
to one of those beaches and we don't own

1992
01:22:44,639 --> 01:22:47,840
the beach. though, you know, it's it's

1993
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:51,199
different for us to come up with to to

1994
01:22:51,199 --> 01:22:52,400
fund the money. You know, it's a lot

1995
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,960
easier for them.

1996
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:56,560
>> I acknowledge what you're saying, Al,

1997
01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:02,000
and I I and I understand. However, um if

1998
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,000
you're a resident in those towns or

1999
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:07,440
those towns, and you're finding upstream

2000
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:09,679
human contamination and running river

2001
01:23:09,679 --> 01:23:13,199
water in North Brford, um then it's that

2002
01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:16,080
town's obligation, right? So, so that so

2003
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:17,440
I know I know what you're saying, but

2004
01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:18,639
it's like, you know, I mean,

2005
01:23:18,639 --> 01:23:21,280
>> two things. It's either a failed septic

2006
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,120
>> or a breach in the sewer line.

2007
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:25,360
>> Yeah. I mean, one of the reason one of

2008
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,440
the reasons why, you know, again, with

2009
01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:29,920
the funding increase, not only has it

2010
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,480
come, but the other towns have asked,

2011
01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:35,679
>> um, what's going on in North Brford? Um,

2012
01:23:35,679 --> 01:23:37,600
we're contributing and we have

2013
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,880
contributed over time for years. Um, and

2014
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,760
if you're finding contamination in the

2015
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,639
upper Farm River, then they need to take

2016
01:23:46,639 --> 01:23:51,199
care of it. So, you know, we're kind of,

2017
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:52,320
you know, in the middle here.

2018
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:54,080
>> And then one more question. I'm sure

2019
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:55,679
probably you don't know the answer. Does

2020
01:23:55,679 --> 01:23:57,840
anybody in the room know the answer? Who

2021
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:59,440
owns Cedar Lake?

2022
01:23:59,440 --> 01:24:01,679
>> Is that association?

2023
01:24:01,679 --> 01:24:02,080
>> No.

2024
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,320
>> That owns its association.

2025
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:05,760
So

2026
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:07,760
>> my money and association should be

2027
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:09,840
paying to clean their own.

2028
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,400
>> My understanding um and again we started

2029
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,159
to look my understanding and we started

2030
01:24:14,159 --> 01:24:17,120
to look into this um is that the town

2031
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:19,520
owns it and the association only has

2032
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,239
rights to it

2033
01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:24,480
>> because only the beach anyway.

2034
01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:28,080
>> Yeah. It's only not it's only that one.

2035
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:29,520
>> Somebody owns the lake,

2036
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:30,239
>> right?

2037
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:32,000
>> Okay. There's no

2038
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,159
>> Someone owns the lake. Yeah, as I

2039
01:24:34,159 --> 01:24:36,960
understand, the town owns the lake. The

2040
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,199
town has significant property around the

2041
01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:41,840
lake and the association, like most

2042
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:43,920
associations, don't own the water. They

2043
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,800
own the rights at that beach to access

2044
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:48,400
the water

2045
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:52,080
>> and I believe it's in their deeds.

2046
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,239
>> Okay. Not to prolong the conversation,

2047
01:24:54,239 --> 01:24:56,239
but what what would you do to clean the

2048
01:24:56,239 --> 01:24:56,800
lake up?

2049
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:58,880
>> Have the answer tomorrow.

2050
01:24:58,880 --> 01:24:59,840
>> What would be [snorts] the process of

2051
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:03,280
cleaning that lake? So, right now, um,

2052
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:06,000
phosphorus seems to be the leading cause

2053
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,320
of the allergy blooms. And so, we're

2054
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,400
working with deep and looking at the

2055
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,360
permits. Um, and then we're going to

2056
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:16,880
consult with Tilcon. Um, they have

2057
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:18,880
permits to discharge up to 2 million

2058
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:21,520
gallons a day into the lake. And so

2059
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,520
we're gonna, you know, talk to them and

2060
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:27,440
see what can be done to um maybe soften

2061
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:29,760
or remediate some of the nutrients that

2062
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:35,430
are going into the lake.

2063
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:37,360
» I'm sorry, I didn't know that. So Tilcon

2064
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:39,920
dumps all that water into there.

2065
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,560
>> Um they have they have permits that. So

2066
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:44,719
we are not the lead agency. Tilcon is

2067
01:25:44,719 --> 01:25:47,600
the lead agency and Tilcon has permits

2068
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:51,520
from Connecticut Deep to discharge from

2069
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,080
the quarry from their holding ponds um

2070
01:25:54,080 --> 01:26:00,070
up to 2 million gallons per day.

2071
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:07,189
» That'll do a job on a lake.

2072
01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:09,199
» Bob, did you have some questions?

2073
01:26:09,199 --> 01:26:12,560
>> Well, a few things. Um,

2074
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,880
yes. And thank you for the presentation.

2075
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:15,760
>> You're welcome.

2076
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,080
>> I'm I'm a little bit skeptical about the

2077
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:19,840
request. I understand you want the

2078
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:21,679
10,000.

2079
01:26:21,679 --> 01:26:23,040
I'm just curious why didn't you come

2080
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:25,040
here with a request for 20,000 or

2081
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,600
25,000? Are you trying to moderate what

2082
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,080
you really need or you felt that this

2083
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:31,520
was enough? I mean, if you're going to

2084
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:35,199
do 17 samples, why not do 158 samples?

2085
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:35,920
Where did this [clears throat] magic

2086
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:37,920
number come from? Enlighten us on that a

2087
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:38,400
little bit.

2088
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,560
>> Sure. So

2089
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:45,120
when we started the sampling in um

2090
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:47,280
Brford and East Haven, the first request

2091
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:49,679
was after we exhausted all the other

2092
01:26:49,679 --> 01:26:51,360
grant money and some of the funding and

2093
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:55,440
our own resources was $20,000. Um again,

2094
01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:58,400
watershed's bigger, more development.

2095
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:02,880
um at the lower lake. Um we have some

2096
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:06,719
preliminary samples and so the next

2097
01:27:06,719 --> 01:27:09,679
step is to take more samples and that's

2098
01:27:09,679 --> 01:27:11,440
going to cost somewhere around

2099
01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:13,600
$10,000ish.

2100
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:15,760
Um and we're hoping that's going to give

2101
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,159
us enough information to make some

2102
01:27:18,159 --> 01:27:20,000
recommendations on what needs to be done

2103
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:23,920
next. Um and so if I came with a 20 or

2104
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,320
$30,000 request, we would be having a

2105
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:27,679
conversation. What are you going to do

2106
01:27:27,679 --> 01:27:30,239
with 20 or $30,000? So, I'm I'm trying

2107
01:27:30,239 --> 01:27:32,320
to be fair, you know, and I'm looking at

2108
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:36,159
this right now over the next year,

2109
01:27:36,159 --> 01:27:39,040
this sampling phase, and then we'll see

2110
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,120
we'll get the samples, we'll see where

2111
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:44,400
it takes us, and we'll work with town

2112
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:46,960
officials and

2113
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:48,639
talk about the next phase.

2114
01:27:48,639 --> 01:27:50,480
>> So, did somebody ask Anthony already,

2115
01:27:50,480 --> 01:27:55,920
would that be from it now? this year's

2116
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:56,800
we do have the money.

2117
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:57,840
>> We have the money.

2118
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,320
>> Okay. And another question for my

2119
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:01,600
>> um let's do it.

2120
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,679
>> I've never heard this come up in inland

2121
01:28:03,679 --> 01:28:05,280
wetlands and water courses agency

2122
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,280
meetings. Uh I used to be a member of

2123
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,199
that for a while. Now I attend the

2124
01:28:09,199 --> 01:28:11,520
meetings when I actually hold them. Uh

2125
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,320
Dr. Bano is on that committee. As I've

2126
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:16,000
joked with some of my colleagues here,

2127
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:17,280
he doesn't [snorts] want anybody even

2128
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,520
looking at the Farm River. And we're the

2129
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:21,840
water courses agency is very keen on the

2130
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:24,960
fact that North Brford our rules is is

2131
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:27,520
anything within 200 feet of the water

2132
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:29,600
course you got to go through the water

2133
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,520
courses agency it's not 100 ft but state

2134
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:33,679
law it's 200 ft. So we've gone above and

2135
01:28:33,679 --> 01:28:36,320
beyond what the state requires for that.

2136
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:38,080
>> So I mean I I think that they've been

2137
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:39,920
very good about overseeing that being

2138
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,800
very be very careful what you're doing

2139
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:44,639
or having anything to do with the farm

2140
01:28:44,639 --> 01:28:45,840
river. [snorts]

2141
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,080
They're they're very protective of the

2142
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:49,360
farm river.

2143
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:51,920
>> All that being said,

2144
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,480
>> I mean, you identified it's largely

2145
01:28:54,480 --> 01:28:58,560
aven, right? And some human waste,

2146
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:02,239
>> but I mean, waste is waste. I mean, this

2147
01:29:02,239 --> 01:29:04,080
being North Brford with the farms and

2148
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,719
the forest we have around here,

2149
01:29:06,719 --> 01:29:09,679
some open space, it's not just humans. I

2150
01:29:09,679 --> 01:29:12,480
mean, you've got you name it. Deer,

2151
01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:17,040
bobcat, coyotes, groundhogs, rats, mice,

2152
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,520
squirrels, you name it. So, what makes

2153
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,360
this waste better than that waste is my

2154
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:22,800
question. That sounds like a silly

2155
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:26,960
question, but I really want to know why the focus on this waste is waste.

2156
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:28,320
>> Yeah. Um,

2157
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:30,400
>> Robert, that's a great question. The

2158
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:32,159
sampling, what it will do for us is

2159
01:29:32,159 --> 01:29:34,480
quantify. Again, just because it's

2160
01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:37,920
present doesn't mean it's pathogenic.

2161
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:39,920
um you test water anywhere, you're going

2162
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:42,800
to find some levels of contamination um

2163
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,199
in any surface water. And so what we

2164
01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:46,960
want to do is we want to quantify and

2165
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,679
see if it rises to the action levels

2166
01:29:49,679 --> 01:29:52,560
that are set by EPA um and state

2167
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:55,280
regulations that is going to impact

2168
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:56,880
human health. When we talk about

2169
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,760
watersheds, there are many agencies that

2170
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:02,080
are involved. We as a local health

2171
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:04,400
department are looking at human health.

2172
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:05,840
That's what we're looking at. That's our

2173
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:10,000
lens. If there are other contaminants in

2174
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:13,199
there that impact wildlife, that is not

2175
01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:15,040
necessarily our role. We will work with

2176
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:18,320
other agencies on that. And so the

2177
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:25,360
funding is to take a step back, look at from 30,000 ft,

2178
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,600
do some more testing and quantify it.

2179
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,159
Will it impact human health and is it

2180
01:30:30,159 --> 01:30:32,960
going to impact

2181
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:36,000
not just the North Brford residents,

2182
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:37,920
East Haven, and also Long Island Sound

2183
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:39,600
because everything goes into Long Island

2184
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,679
Sound and everyone enjoys Long Island

2185
01:30:41,679 --> 01:30:44,080
Sound in some way, shape or form. Um,

2186
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:46,800
and again, it's multi-million dollars in

2187
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:50,000
shellfish beds and sea farming. Um, and

2188
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,239
some of the stuff that we're doing is

2189
01:30:52,239 --> 01:30:54,239
being done in other areas of

2190
01:30:54,239 --> 01:30:56,320
Connecticut.

2191
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:58,960
So, the funding is just to quantify it

2192
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:01,280
to come back

2193
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:04,239
with our data and to give you a better

2194
01:31:04,239 --> 01:31:08,159
idea of what's going on and what we can

2195
01:31:08,159 --> 01:31:10,400
do. If we're talking about aven waste,

2196
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:12,639
we're always going to find aven waste.

2197
01:31:12,639 --> 01:31:15,600
It's like that's okay, but is it in

2198
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:18,480
balance with the ecosystem and is it

2199
01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:20,159
rise to the level that it's going to

2200
01:31:20,159 --> 01:31:25,350
impact human health?

2201
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:27,040
» I'd like to make a motion that the town

2202
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:29,920
council allocate $10,000 from this

2203
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:31,760
year's contingency to fund the East

2204
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:37,110
Shore District Health Department.

2205
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:38,880
» Motion was made by councelor Diamond,

2206
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:41,440
seconded by councelor Rose.

2207
01:31:41,440 --> 01:31:43,679
Um, any further discussion?

2208
01:31:43,679 --> 01:31:46,960
>> Yes. Um,

2209
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:48,320
you know, in the short time I've been on

2210
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:50,719
the council, I I've seen what I already

2211
01:31:50,719 --> 01:31:53,360
have read about and suspected.

2212
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:56,239
You know, money, it's just not there. I

2213
01:31:56,239 --> 01:31:57,440
mean, we're saying the money is here

2214
01:31:57,440 --> 01:31:59,760
over in this pot, but trust me, there's

2215
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:01,920
every other agency in town that wants

2216
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:04,080
piece of that action. Everybody's got

2217
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:06,320
their hand up. I need this. I want tax

2218
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:07,840
abatement. I want more books for the

2219
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,480
school. I want payraises. I want it's

2220
01:32:10,480 --> 01:32:12,400
non-stop. If you've never been on town

2221
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,080
council, I encourage anybody here to

2222
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:18,080
run. But I mean, it's the the demands on

2223
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:21,120
city services are overwhelming.

2224
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:23,679
And nobody seems to be able to say no at

2225
01:32:23,679 --> 01:32:25,600
any point because you want to you want

2226
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:27,120
to make you happy, you want to make him

2227
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:28,400
happy, you want to make her happy, you

2228
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:31,520
want to make him happy.

2229
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:34,960
I mean, I I got to tell you uh and and

2230
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:38,000
this is for discussion here. My question

2231
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,719
is, you know, is it possible that we can

2232
01:32:40,719 --> 01:32:42,800
get bang for the buck at a reduced rate?

2233
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:44,080
In other words, if you're going to make

2234
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:48,080
X number of um uh I guess inspections or

2235
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:51,120
samples at $10,000, can you get the same

2236
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:55,360
job done at $7,500 or at $5,000?

2237
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:57,679
Because if we're going to resist that,

2238
01:32:57,679 --> 01:32:59,280
then well, heck, why not go the opposite

2239
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,600
way and say, "Oh, $30,000. We'll test

2240
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:03,360
away and we'll get a lot more valuable

2241
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:05,120
information." So, what is the right

2242
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:07,120
number? They've come to us and said

2243
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:08,639
10,000

2244
01:33:08,639 --> 01:33:11,280
and you're saying that we can afford it.

2245
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:13,120
Okay, that money comes from somewhere.

2246
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:14,880
That's 10,000 we can't spend on the

2247
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:16,400
police department. That's 10,000 we

2248
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:17,760
can't spend on the board of ed, you

2249
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:19,760
know. So, I mean, it's our job to figure

2250
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:22,639
that out. I just wonder if 10,000 is the

2251
01:33:22,639 --> 01:33:24,560
right number.

2252
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,639
>> If if I may.

2253
01:33:26,639 --> 01:33:27,360
>> Yep.

2254
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:31,120
>> Um this is a negotiated rate. Um and so

2255
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:32,719
we are getting a discount and we're

2256
01:33:32,719 --> 01:33:35,199
using the economy of scale because we're

2257
01:33:35,199 --> 01:33:39,679
testing Brford and um East Haven and so

2258
01:33:39,679 --> 01:33:41,920
we're already negotiated a rate. We also

2259
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:43,520
talked to the state department of public

2260
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:45,280
health. They're preparing the samples

2261
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:47,360
for us free of charge. There's a

2262
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:49,840
preparation of samples to do DNA

2263
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:53,360
sampling. Um and so that is already

2264
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:56,880
negotiated. So we are from our end we

2265
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:59,440
are doing it at the lowest possible

2266
01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:04,000
including funds that we're putting in

2267
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:08,000
as a leader of a regional health agency.

2268
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:09,840
I'm dealing with the same things with

2269
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:13,040
our with with budget cuts. Um every one

2270
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:14,880
of our bills are going up. I've had to

2271
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:17,199
lay off staff. The money that we

2272
01:34:17,199 --> 01:34:20,320
normally get for grants has all dried

2273
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:22,960
up. I need to diversify and cut. We're

2274
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:25,520
going through every single contract and

2275
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,800
renegotiating the contract um and making

2276
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:32,000
some very hard decisions. And so I

2277
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:36,000
started off by saying when I came here I mean I read the paper and I know

2278
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:37,840
what's going on with the budget

2279
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,239
referendum and everything. Um I live in

2280
01:34:40,239 --> 01:34:42,239
a town that still can't pass a budget.

2281
01:34:42,239 --> 01:34:44,480
Tonight is the referendum. Hopefully it

2282
01:34:44,480 --> 01:34:47,920
will pass. Um, and so I hear you loud

2283
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:51,120
and clear. And that's why it's a oneoff

2284
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,440
$10,000 and I didn't put in my per

2285
01:34:53,440 --> 01:34:55,120
capita because if I put it in my per

2286
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:57,679
capita and I came here,

2287
01:34:57,679 --> 01:35:00,000
we would be having a very hard

2288
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,920
conversation and it wouldn't be fair

2289
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:03,520
because I would be getting questions

2290
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:07,600
about East Haven and Brford are using up

2291
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:09,520
more resources in North Brford. So why

2292
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:12,080
should we pay more? So I've tried as

2293
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:14,719
best as I can. I think I've done it to

2294
01:35:14,719 --> 01:35:18,080
give you a fair

2295
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:20,080
lowest possible price that we've

2296
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:22,480
negotiated out.

2297
01:35:22,480 --> 01:35:25,199
Um, I'm in favor of the $10,000 and I

2298
01:35:25,199 --> 01:35:27,440
listened to Bob's argument. But I

2299
01:35:27,440 --> 01:35:28,960
listened to the gentleman, he was very

2300
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:30,960
well knowledgeable, and when I asked him

2301
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:33,520
how he came up with$10,000, he described

2302
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:35,440
that our share in the Farm River isn't

2303
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:37,520
as big as the other shears. And he

2304
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:39,199
showed how narrow it was, and he was

2305
01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:41,679
being fair. Whenever he was asked about

2306
01:35:41,679 --> 01:35:43,840
the different ways, he was responsive,

2307
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,600
very knowledgeable, and I trusted me and

2308
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:47,520
absolutely knows his job. And I support

2309
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:50,719
the $10,000 at least this year. And if

2310
01:35:50,719 --> 01:35:52,239
he comes back next year, then we'll have

2311
01:35:52,239 --> 01:35:54,320
more questions. How we what do we get

2312
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:56,000
for our buck? What bang do we get for

2313
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:57,440
our buck? Then we can answer that. Is

2314
01:35:57,440 --> 01:35:58,719
that okay with you, sir?

2315
01:35:58,719 --> 01:35:59,600
>> Yes.

2316
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,600
>> I support the $10,000.

2317
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:03,920
>> So, I'd just like to say that when I

2318
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,639
first read this tonight, I was a hard

2319
01:36:06,639 --> 01:36:11,120
nut and he convinced me. Okay. So,

2320
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:11,440
>> and stuff.

2321
01:36:11,440 --> 01:36:13,236
>> So, we're on the same page, Al.

2322
01:36:13,236 --> 01:36:14,639
[laughter]

2323
01:36:14,639 --> 01:36:15,679
>> Yeah. Thank you for explaining

2324
01:36:15,679 --> 01:36:17,040
everything.

2325
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:17,920
>> I was on the same page.

2326
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:18,880
>> You did well.

2327
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:21,040
>> Well, that's why we asked questions.

2328
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:21,600
>> Yeah. Well,

2329
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:23,360
>> so that we No, I think I think we asked

2330
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:26,239
all Bob has a very good point and Bob

2331
01:36:26,239 --> 01:36:27,440
has a strong point.

2332
01:36:27,440 --> 01:36:29,600
>> But I also know that the gentleman did

2333
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:31,280
not run away from the questions. He

2334
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:34,800
stood there rapid fire at the questions.

2335
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:35,199
work

2336
01:36:35,199 --> 01:36:39,040
>> the the the human waste does it for me.

2337
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:40,719
>> Well, if I caught a fish with human

2338
01:36:40,719 --> 01:36:42,159
waste, I'm throwing the fish back. I can

2339
01:36:42,159 --> 01:36:43,920
tell you. [laughter]

2340
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:47,199
>> Okay.

2341
01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:49,440
>> So, we're going to take a vote. Um all

2342
01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:50,560
in favor?

2343
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:55,840
>> I opposed. Abstain. Motion passes.

2344
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:58,159
>> Thank you. And um when we finish our

2345
01:36:58,159 --> 01:37:00,639
testing and quantify data, I'll be back

2346
01:37:00,639 --> 01:37:01,600
to report out.

2347
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:04,239
>> Thank you so much. Thank you.

2348
01:37:04,239 --> 01:37:06,480
>> The largest of butter of the lake is the

2349
01:37:06,480 --> 01:37:09,760
Brford Steam Railroad.

2350
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:11,600
>> Steam Railroad. It goes from Route 80

2351
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,840
right down. Then the town has a piece

2352
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:16,320
that's behind Cedar Lake School. And

2353
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:17,840
then on the southern side, as Tom

2354
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:19,920
mentioned, it's the association and the

2355
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:21,920
rest of it is all private owners.

2356
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:22,719
>> Is that the T?

2357
01:37:22,719 --> 01:37:25,520
>> So the Braver Steam Railroad, isn't that

2358
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:26,400
Tilcon?

2359
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:28,400
>> Yeah.

2360
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:30,239
So I would think that they would be the

2361
01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:33,679
biggest share of cleaning up the lake.

2362
01:37:33,679 --> 01:37:34,719
>> Well, that's why they're going to have

2363
01:37:34,719 --> 01:37:36,080
the meeting with

2364
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:37,920
>> responsible. You promised me a ride on

2365
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:39,040
the caboose that's supposed to be on

2366
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:40,880
there. Supposed to be on there.

2367
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:41,760
>> I remember.

2368
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:44,880
>> Okay, we're going to move on. Next item

2369
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:48,880
on the agenda is the 2001 Mac truck

2370
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:51,360
replacement. And our assistant public

2371
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:54,400
works director Dan Santano is here to

2372
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:57,679
present. Right.

2373
01:37:57,679 --> 01:37:58,880
Get the lights.

2374
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:01,760
>> Oh, sorry.

2375
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:04,400
>> Good evening. Um, I have a hard time one

2376
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:05,840
uping Mike here,

2377
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:07,280
>> but uh, [laughter]

2378
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:08,639
so, um, 2001,

2379
01:38:08,639 --> 01:38:10,080
>> your request is a little bit higher than

2380
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:10,560
Mike.

2381
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:11,792
>> Yeah, just a little bit, Mike.

2382
01:38:11,792 --> 01:38:15,199
[laughter] Yeah. Um, 2001 Mac truck

2383
01:38:15,199 --> 01:38:18,239
replacement. Um, so there's a memo in

2384
01:38:18,239 --> 01:38:20,880
your packet. We, uh, brought this to the

2385
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:22,560
town manager and then to finance

2386
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,360
subcommittee last week. now forwarded to

2387
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:29,119
here. Um we have a 2001 Mac truck that's

2388
01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:31,920
undergoing a transmission repair now. Um

2389
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:35,119
pretty hefty repair. We have um three of

2390
01:38:35,119 --> 01:38:38,239
these 2001 trucks that we purchased 26

2391
01:38:38,239 --> 01:38:41,119
years ago. So during the repair, they're

2392
01:38:41,119 --> 01:38:44,639
noticing extensive rust um issues. We've

2393
01:38:44,639 --> 01:38:46,239
had a couple frame repairs on the truck

2394
01:38:46,239 --> 01:38:48,400
already these last two years. So most

2395
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:51,199
likely in the next couple of years, it's

2396
01:38:51,199 --> 01:38:54,960
going to go. Um, that being said, it's

2397
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:56,880
not like we just go to the store and buy

2398
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:59,520
a truck off the shelf. It's it's a

2399
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:01,280
couple couple years between buying the

2400
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:02,960
cabin chassis, sending it to the truck

2401
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:04,719
builder, building the body, plow,

2402
01:39:04,719 --> 01:39:07,440
lights, um, sourcing materials from

2403
01:39:07,440 --> 01:39:10,239
multiple different vendors. So, what

2404
01:39:10,239 --> 01:39:13,520
we're looking to do is kind of start the

2405
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:16,560
process on replacing this truck. Um what

2406
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:18,880
we're proposing in the memo is to buy

2407
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:22,719
the cabin chassis right now outright and

2408
01:39:22,719 --> 01:39:27,760
then um this upcoming or July 2027

2409
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:30,560
we will seek funding to build the truck.

2410
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:33,040
What this will do is

2411
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:34,800
allow there's already a truck on the

2412
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:36,800
line coming in that they can put our

2413
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:44,080
name on. Um if we purchase it, it it expedites the process for us.

2414
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:46,000
So, if we do this, we'll have the truck

2415
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:49,280
in a year and a half built. Um, if we

2416
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:50,960
wait, then it's going to be longer than

2417
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:53,520
that. Um, what we presented to the

2418
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:56,159
finance subcommittee was,

2419
01:39:56,159 --> 01:39:58,239
um, as of right now, there's an

2420
01:39:58,239 --> 01:40:01,119
estimated $20,000 increase coming next

2421
01:40:01,119 --> 01:40:04,000
year on these trucks. Um, due to

2422
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:05,600
emissions,

2423
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:07,040
they're implementing something with the

2424
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:09,520
emissions. um something along the lines

2425
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:11,119
of keeping the exhaust heated so that

2426
01:40:11,119 --> 01:40:12,480
when you fire the truck up, you don't

2427
01:40:12,480 --> 01:40:15,280
get that cold puff of smoke. Um that's a

2428
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:18,560
$20,000 hike. Um in addition to that, we

2429
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:21,520
are um by purchasing it outright versus

2430
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:24,800
the typical three lease payment to buy,

2431
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:30,080
we save $12,000 in floor plan. Um,

2432
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:31,600
pretty much when you buy the truck and

2433
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:33,679
it takes a year and a half to build, we

2434
01:40:33,679 --> 01:40:36,080
have to pay a floor plan they call it

2435
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:37,920
because the truck is kind of in in

2436
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:41,440
process. So, it's a total of $32,000

2437
01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:44,560
savings we're looking to do. Um, if we

2438
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:46,400
don't do this, we're going to be

2439
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:48,159
>> coming here in July with a number

2440
01:40:48,159 --> 01:40:52,719
$32,000 higher and a year longer.

2441
01:40:52,719 --> 01:40:55,119
>> So, and in the package is is our lineup.

2442
01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:57,360
11 trucks to cover 10 roots, leaving us

2443
01:40:57,360 --> 01:40:59,840
one spare. Um, [snorts] you can see we

2444
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:02,000
got out of the 80s and 90s here the last

2445
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:05,600
couple of years. So, we're

2446
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:07,280
this that's where we're at. I'd be happy

2447
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:08,560
to take any questions or

2448
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:09,199
>> two questions,

2449
01:41:09,199 --> 01:41:11,040
>> comments. Go ahead. Go ahead.

2450
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:12,159
>> So, two questions.

2451
01:41:12,159 --> 01:41:12,560
>> Yes.

2452
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:14,800
>> Why don't just like bypass the so-called

2453
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:17,199
new truck and bypass the $20,000 of

2454
01:41:17,199 --> 01:41:19,360
emission regulations and buy something

2455
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:21,520
that's two years old or three years old?

2456
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:22,800
>> Is there anything on the market out

2457
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:24,719
there that would would cover this? So,

2458
01:41:24,719 --> 01:41:26,800
yeah, good question there. Um, there are

2459
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:31,040
used trucks out there. Um, we actually

2460
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:32,719
tried that with the state. You'll see on

2461
01:41:32,719 --> 01:41:36,719
the list there's a 2005 going out and um

2462
01:41:36,719 --> 01:41:40,400
we paid $6,000 for it. We got a year and

2463
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:43,119
a half of headaches and the truck um it

2464
01:41:43,119 --> 01:41:45,760
blew the engine, leaked oil over the and

2465
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:48,800
it's no good. So, we did try going that

2466
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:51,440
used route a couple years ago. So, no

2467
01:41:51,440 --> 01:41:53,760
one's selling trucks two or three years

2468
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:55,840
old. They're selling trucks that might

2469
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:56,960
be 20 years old.

2470
01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:58,880
>> Yeah. I mean, two or three years, that's

2471
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:00,719
pretty tough to find.

2472
01:42:00,719 --> 01:42:02,560
>> Um, another thing, all of our trucks are

2473
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:04,560
set up with the same plow controls,

2474
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:07,440
sander controls, so anyone could hop in

2475
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:09,520
any truck

2476
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:11,119
as things change and they're all

2477
01:42:11,119 --> 01:42:13,920
unified.

2478
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:15,679
>> The question that I had, and you're in

2479
01:42:15,679 --> 01:42:16,880
the business, so you would know this,

2480
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:19,119
the MAC is pretty much the state of the

2481
01:42:19,119 --> 01:42:21,440
like a Freight Liner. Yes. It's like a

2482
01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:22,639
line kind of thing, right?

2483
01:42:22,639 --> 01:42:23,040
>> Yep.

2484
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:24,320
>> And I think they're made in

2485
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:25,679
Pennsylvania, right?

2486
01:42:25,679 --> 01:42:27,360
>> I believe so.

2487
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:27,920
>> Okay.

2488
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,560
>> So, yeah. And and to that point, a Mac

2489
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:33,199
truck, it's it's really better than a

2490
01:42:33,199 --> 01:42:36,080
Freight Liner. Um we've been buying them

2491
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:38,960
for we're going on four decades here. We

2492
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:41,440
just got rid of a 38-y old truck. If you

2493
01:42:41,440 --> 01:42:44,000
look at bigger cities and the state,

2494
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:45,360
they buy freight liners because they're

2495
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:47,360
a hair cheaper, but they get rid of them

2496
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:49,920
between 10 and 15 years old.

2497
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:50,239
Right.

2498
01:42:50,239 --> 01:42:52,639
>> We're getting 38 years out of a truck. I

2499
01:42:52,639 --> 01:42:55,920
don't Now you're seeing we're getting 26

2500
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:57,520
years out of a truck because the first

2501
01:42:57,520 --> 01:42:59,199
20 years of their life they were using

2502
01:42:59,199 --> 01:43:02,320
sand and it didn't rot the trucks out.

2503
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:04,880
>> Now we're in this salt phase and

2504
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:08,310
>> Okay. [snorts]

2505
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:11,600
» So this truck won't be active for a year

2506
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:12,480
and a half though. You're saying

2507
01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:13,840
>> year and a half. Yeah. We're just buying

2508
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:17,600
the cab and chassis right now.

2509
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:20,400
Yeah. But we're trying to phase in the

2510
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:21,679
trying to phase it. Instead of coming

2511
01:43:21,679 --> 01:43:25,199
here and asking for over $300,000,

2512
01:43:25,199 --> 01:43:26,960
>> get get the savings, expedate the

2513
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:27,760
process.

2514
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:29,679
>> The finance committee pushed it into

2515
01:43:29,679 --> 01:43:31,199
today's meeting because we understood

2516
01:43:31,199 --> 01:43:34,239
the the increased cost and the fact that

2517
01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:36,719
we're down how many trucks is it now?

2518
01:43:36,719 --> 01:43:37,520
>> Four.

2519
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:39,360
>> We we are down four. If you look at the

2520
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:41,360
list, we have Yeah. three in production.

2521
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:42,320
This would be

2522
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:42,800
>> Yeah.

2523
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:45,280
>> This would be number four. I thought

2524
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:47,280
>> it's not outfitted yet to be used.

2525
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:48,880
>> At least you get the cab and the chassis

2526
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:50,480
and then you figure out what the box is

2527
01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:52,400
going to look like and if it's a dump or

2528
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:53,520
if it's whatever.

2529
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:55,360
>> It's going to m match our other trucks

2530
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:58,159
which is

2531
01:43:58,159 --> 01:44:00,880
>> And we have the money in our vehicle

2532
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:01,760
reserved.

2533
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:04,719
>> We we do. Yes. We put

2534
01:44:04,719 --> 01:44:07,600
>> we started we restarted that fund two

2535
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:09,760
budget years ago. So the first year we

2536
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:13,119
put $200,000 in it and this last budget

2537
01:44:13,119 --> 01:44:16,880
year we put $50,000 in as of July 1st.

2538
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:19,906
So we have $250,000

2539
01:44:19,906 --> 01:44:22,400
[snorts] in it and this is exactly what

2540
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:23,440
it was meant for.

2541
01:44:23,440 --> 01:44:23,840
>> Yeah.

2542
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:26,880
>> And we save 32,000 or whatever he said

2543
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:28,560
by doing it. So

2544
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:30,239
>> we have to keep on doing the trues so

2545
01:44:30,239 --> 01:44:31,920
that we don't get surprised every time

2546
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:33,520
we need a truck cuz trucks,

2547
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:35,040
>> you know, one of them was an accident

2548
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:37,520
and it was not North Brford's vault. was

2549
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:40,800
the other party. And the truck is worth

2550
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:42,480
a lot more to us, but to the insurance

2551
01:44:42,480 --> 01:44:44,880
company, it's three grand. You're not

2552
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:47,040
replacing heavy machinery for three

2553
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:48,480
grand, but the insurance company doesn't

2554
01:44:48,480 --> 01:44:48,960
care.

2555
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:49,360
>> Nope.

2556
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:50,800
>> So, it's a loss

2557
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:53,760
>> and it's a big loss to us. Um, so it's

2558
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:54,880
just one of those scenarios where we

2559
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:56,800
have to continue to think ahead of the

2560
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:59,679
curve and put money into these accounts.

2561
01:44:59,679 --> 01:45:00,800
>> So, I have a question.

2562
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:01,199
>> Yes.

2563
01:45:01,199 --> 01:45:04,800
>> So, the 172 change, that's for the cabin

2564
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:07,280
chassis, right? But that's for the truck

2565
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:08,880
completely built.

2566
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:10,960
>> Nope. That's just the truck,

2567
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:12,639
>> cabin, chassis, truck, and frame. And

2568
01:45:12,639 --> 01:45:14,960
then the other 155 in the memo is to

2569
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:16,719
will be to build it. We'll request that.

2570
01:45:16,719 --> 01:45:19,040
>> So it's 172 plus 155.

2571
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:21,040
>> Yep. That's the whole entire truck.

2572
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:21,760
>> Oh boy.

2573
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:22,560
>> They're not cheap.

2574
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:25,520
>> But we're only doing the 172 right now

2575
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:28,239
to get the cabin chassis.

2576
01:45:28,239 --> 01:45:30,159
And then next budget year, [snorts]

2577
01:45:30,159 --> 01:45:31,600
they're coming in for the body.

2578
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:34,000
>> There's $275,000,

2579
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:37,198
>> right? fire truck.

2580
01:45:37,198 --> 01:45:38,960
[laughter]

2581
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:42,239
>> Yeah, they've they've gone up in price.

2582
01:45:42,239 --> 01:45:44,400
12 years ago when I started they were

2583
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:46,239
two change. When France started they

2584
01:45:46,239 --> 01:45:47,679
were $80,000,

2585
01:45:47,679 --> 01:45:48,320
>> right?

2586
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:51,430
>> It's

2587
01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:55,040
now you're saying $155,000, but that's

2588
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:58,560
now that price could change when they

2589
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:00,080
start ordering the parts and everything

2590
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,320
else. If there's an increase in them

2591
01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:04,560
getting the parts that 155,000 can go

2592
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:05,360
higher.

2593
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:07,040
>> Yeah, we we did have that conversation

2594
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:08,880
with the vendor. I think currently

2595
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:11,679
they're around 150 and he had us budget

2596
01:46:11,679 --> 01:46:13,920
155 assuming that increase.

2597
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:16,320
>> So if we signed a contract with them,

2598
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:17,840
would they be locked in that they can't

2599
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:19,920
go up on their price? I mean that's it.

2600
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:21,199
>> Yeah. No, they would have to be locked

2601
01:46:21,199 --> 01:46:23,040
in because this is through a Sourcewell

2602
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:24,800
contract. So

2603
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:27,760
>> Sourcewell is a national company

2604
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:29,600
>> that we can piggyback on. [snorts]

2605
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:30,880
That's why we don't have to go out to

2606
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:33,520
bid for

2607
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:36,239
>> But but are we doing right by not going

2608
01:46:36,239 --> 01:46:38,719
out to bid? We're spending hundreds of

2609
01:46:38,719 --> 01:46:42,239
thousands of dollars.

2610
01:46:42,239 --> 01:46:43,920
>> And we're not we're not we don't look at

2611
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:44,800
comparable.

2612
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:45,119
>> Yeah.

2613
01:46:45,119 --> 01:46:47,360
>> We're not looking at,

2614
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:51,199
you know, item A, item B, item C.

2615
01:46:51,199 --> 01:46:54,320
Um, I believe when I've talked to Fran,

2616
01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:56,320
I know he couldn't be here tonight, but

2617
01:46:56,320 --> 01:47:00,800
he does do that with and and will talk

2618
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:02,719
to different vendors. It's not so much

2619
01:47:02,719 --> 01:47:05,440
that he's going out to bid, but he will

2620
01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:10,239
get those prices and on other trucks. It

2621
01:47:10,239 --> 01:47:13,280
might not necessarily be a Mac. Mac is

2622
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:15,360
their favorite is what he's told only

2623
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:17,760
because it's interchangeable. like the

2624
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:21,119
Mac that they're putting the um

2625
01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:23,760
>> the transmission in right now. If they

2626
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:25,360
if something happens because it's

2627
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:27,040
already noted that there's rust on the

2628
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:28,800
frame and if that truck goes down and

2629
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:31,520
the frame cracks and they can't use it,

2630
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:33,360
they can take that transmission out and

2631
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:35,440
put it into another truck. So, we're not

2632
01:47:35,440 --> 01:47:37,920
losing the transmission. We can reuse it

2633
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:39,679
in another truck. M

2634
01:47:39,679 --> 01:47:41,679
>> um that's one of the reasons they tend

2635
01:47:41,679 --> 01:47:45,199
to keep the same type of trucks in their

2636
01:47:45,199 --> 01:47:49,440
but he he doesn't just go to source well

2637
01:47:49,440 --> 01:47:53,119
um and he does get prices on other

2638
01:47:53,119 --> 01:47:53,600
trucks.

2639
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:55,119
>> Yeah. But we don't have the advantage of

2640
01:47:55,119 --> 01:47:57,199
having those before us tonight. Okay. We

2641
01:47:57,199 --> 01:47:59,840
just have just this one Mac truck

2642
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:01,600
without and Tommy brings up a good

2643
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:03,520
point. We're not going out to bid and

2644
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:06,239
we're just relying on these figures and

2645
01:48:06,239 --> 01:48:09,119
are we doing the right service to the

2646
01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:11,679
taxpayers of the town by not getting

2647
01:48:11,679 --> 01:48:13,679
other prices from other I don't know I

2648
01:48:13,679 --> 01:48:14,719
don't know the name of the different

2649
01:48:14,719 --> 01:48:17,360
truck companies but uh I don't know but

2650
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:18,960
Ford or Dodge or somebody else makes

2651
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:21,119
these big trucks. Why don't we have

2652
01:48:21,119 --> 01:48:23,119
information about those and so we can

2653
01:48:23,119 --> 01:48:25,760
make a more educated decision as opposed

2654
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:28,000
to saying well we were gonna lie on this

2655
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:29,360
because it's a Mac truck and it's

2656
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:30,719
interchangeable with all the other

2657
01:48:30,719 --> 01:48:32,719
stuff. But the bottom line is we're

2658
01:48:32,719 --> 01:48:34,400
weakening our position by saying we're

2659
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:36,480
only going to do it back in this one

2660
01:48:36,480 --> 01:48:37,199
company.

2661
01:48:37,199 --> 01:48:38,480
>> So

2662
01:48:38,480 --> 01:48:40,159
>> Dan, Dan, I want to take this.

2663
01:48:40,159 --> 01:48:40,960
>> Okay.

2664
01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:42,960
>> Cuz I'm going to throw myself under the

2665
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:44,530
bus.

2666
01:48:44,530 --> 01:48:46,400
[laughter]

2667
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:47,199
>> What did he say?

2668
01:48:47,199 --> 01:48:48,560
>> He's going to throw himself under the

2669
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:49,119
bus.

2670
01:48:49,119 --> 01:48:51,360
>> I'm going to get out of the way.

2671
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:51,840
>> Go ahead.

2672
01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:53,679
>> So

2673
01:48:53,679 --> 01:48:55,600
>> I had all the concerns that everybody

2674
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:57,040
had, you know, for [clears throat]

2675
01:48:57,040 --> 01:48:59,520
years. And it used to bother me that

2676
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:02,000
you'd see the state highway was was

2677
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:04,320
plowing with Ford trucks and Vermont was

2678
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:06,320
plowing with international trucks and

2679
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:08,960
North Brford had Mac trucks.

2680
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:14,719
And so I pushed on the council years ago

2681
01:49:14,719 --> 01:49:18,480
for them for Franny to go out to bid and

2682
01:49:18,480 --> 01:49:21,040
take the lowest bid snowplow truck. So

2683
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:22,800
they had put the specs out there. We

2684
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:24,639
need a truck. It has to be this gross

2685
01:49:24,639 --> 01:49:28,080
weight and it has to have a 12T plow and

2686
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:30,560
carry a sander. So he bought a freight

2687
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:31,600
liner

2688
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:33,280
>> truck 55.

2689
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:35,920
>> And I just asked Franny, how long did

2690
01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:37,840
that freight liner last? Cuz believe me,

2691
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:40,639
I got egg on my face. Six and a half

2692
01:49:40,639 --> 01:49:42,320
years.

2693
01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:44,560
The max lasts

2694
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:46,159
26 years.

2695
01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:47,920
>> It was the oddball. in owning big

2696
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:50,320
trucks, you know, the rear ends and the

2697
01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:53,440
transmissions and the the frames are

2698
01:49:53,440 --> 01:49:55,199
heavier on a Mac. You go across the

2699
01:49:55,199 --> 01:49:57,679
scale with an empty Mac truck and go

2700
01:49:57,679 --> 01:50:00,400
across with a freight liner, an

2701
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:02,880
international, and you got, you know,

2702
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:05,040
pounds of steel difference in what it

2703
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:05,600
is. So,

2704
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:09,840
>> you pay for. So, I I tend to agree that

2705
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:12,159
we we we we asked the question, which is

2706
01:50:12,159 --> 01:50:17,440
smart, but for me, you know, we we're kind of stuck with these Mac

2707
01:50:17,440 --> 01:50:19,280
trucks and we have interchangeable parts

2708
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:21,679
on them and like the new transmission

2709
01:50:21,679 --> 01:50:23,600
they're putting in will be saved to go

2710
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:26,560
in the next Mac truck when this frame is

2711
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:29,920
shot or whatever. So, so I think that I

2712
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:32,239
think that this makes sense, but that's

2713
01:50:32,239 --> 01:50:34,639
just me from true life town council

2714
01:50:34,639 --> 01:50:36,400
experience. So

2715
01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:39,920
>> yeah. Well, I respect your experience.

2716
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:41,199
>> Believe me, I was the one that pushed

2717
01:50:41,199 --> 01:50:42,320
for it.

2718
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:43,119
>> Absolutely.

2719
01:50:43,119 --> 01:50:44,159
>> It was no good.

2720
01:50:44,159 --> 01:50:45,360
>> Yeah.

2721
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:49,440
>> And we and we looked at other bands. We we spoke to uh Peterbuilt. They were

2722
01:50:49,440 --> 01:50:51,760
down at our shop and the trucks weren't

2723
01:50:51,760 --> 01:50:53,280
the same. They were lighter duty

2724
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:54,719
transmissions and what they were trying

2725
01:50:54,719 --> 01:50:56,800
to sell us wasn't it wasn't the same. It

2726
01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:59,199
wasn't comparable. Not to mention, we

2727
01:50:59,199 --> 01:51:01,040
have five newer Mac trucks. So we could

2728
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:02,719
keep the one power steering pump on the

2729
01:51:02,719 --> 01:51:05,600
shelf and it fits all five trucks at 2

2730
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:07,920
in the morning when something goes down.

2731
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:10,639
We're there and um you know going out to

2732
01:51:10,639 --> 01:51:14,159
bid especially on this one. We run the

2733
01:51:14,159 --> 01:51:15,679
risk we're probably going to spend about

2734
01:51:15,679 --> 01:51:18,480
$30,000 more because you're going to

2735
01:51:18,480 --> 01:51:19,760
they're you're going to be buying a

2736
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:22,239
truck with that new emissions, not one

2737
01:51:22,239 --> 01:51:23,679
that's already coming down the line.

2738
01:51:23,679 --> 01:51:25,440
>> Right. I just bring that up just my

2739
01:51:25,440 --> 01:51:27,920
experience with fleet management in in

2740
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:30,000
the corporations that I've been in and

2741
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:31,360
are still in,

2742
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:33,119
>> you know, the fleet the fleet management

2743
01:51:33,119 --> 01:51:35,920
group goes out every year, you know, and

2744
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:37,760
they're they're buying hundreds and

2745
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:40,000
thousands of trucks every year

2746
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:42,639
>> and uh and slowly sometimes you see the

2747
01:51:42,639 --> 01:51:44,960
fleet changing from this this [snorts]

2748
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:47,520
type of truck to that type of truck. But

2749
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:50,159
it's a it's a it's a revolving door kind

2750
01:51:50,159 --> 01:51:50,800
of.

2751
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:52,320
>> Yeah. I just bring that up because

2752
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:54,320
>> But do they salvage to salvage their

2753
01:51:54,320 --> 01:51:56,159
trucks like they do? They have a problem

2754
01:51:56,159 --> 01:51:57,119
with one.

2755
01:51:57,119 --> 01:51:58,560
>> They use parts from the other. They

2756
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:00,400
probably don't do that. So they have to

2757
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:01,920
>> You're right. I'm I'm I'm just I'm just

2758
01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:03,760
bringing it up. You know that

2759
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:06,272
>> you put the specs out, you know that

2760
01:52:06,272 --> 01:52:06,400
[clears throat]

2761
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:08,880
>> and and people come in. But

2762
01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:11,440
>> that's just it's just a comment that I'm

2763
01:52:11,440 --> 01:52:12,000
not

2764
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:13,199
>> No, [snorts] that's your job is to look

2765
01:52:13,199 --> 01:52:15,040
at it from every angle. And

2766
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:16,400
>> we did this with the police department.

2767
01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:17,920
If you remember, we we changed the

2768
01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:19,760
fleet. You talked about going into

2769
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:21,440
different types of of vehicles for

2770
01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:23,599
police as well and we found there were

2771
01:52:23,599 --> 01:52:27,599
some longevity issues with that as well

2772
01:52:27,599 --> 01:52:28,239
anymore.

2773
01:52:28,239 --> 01:52:28,960
>> No, true.

2774
01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:31,199
>> And we're all using SUVs now.

2775
01:52:31,199 --> 01:52:32,560
>> Well, Tommy brought up a really good

2776
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:34,960
point and I wanted to hear about it and

2777
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:37,040
my job here is to listen to people with

2778
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:39,520
their opinions and Alice convinced me

2779
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:41,760
based on his experience that this is the

2780
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:44,800
right way to go. So, I'm listening to

2781
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:46,719
his experience and respect that. No

2782
01:52:46,719 --> 01:52:47,440
offense.

2783
01:52:47,440 --> 01:52:50,320
>> No. I think if we don't this now, we're

2784
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:51,920
going to get a higher price bill

2785
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:53,119
>> later.

2786
01:52:53,119 --> 01:52:53,840
>> So,

2787
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:55,199
>> is there a motion on the floor?

2788
01:52:55,199 --> 01:52:56,400
>> All right.

2789
01:52:56,400 --> 01:52:59,360
>> Yeah.

2790
01:52:59,360 --> 01:53:01,199
>> I move that the town council approve an

2791
01:53:01,199 --> 01:53:04,800
allocation not to exceed $173,000

2792
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:06,480
from the town vehicle maintenance

2793
01:53:06,480 --> 01:53:08,560
reserve fund for a new mech cab and

2794
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:12,880
chashy chashy from Gabrieli Truck Sales

2795
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:13,920
via Sourcewell.

2796
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:16,320
>> I'll second. Motion was made by

2797
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:17,920
councelor Diamond, second by Deputy

2798
01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:19,920
Mayor McMillan.

2799
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:21,440
All in favor?

2800
01:53:21,440 --> 01:53:26,000
>> I opposed. Abstain. Motion carries.

2801
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:27,119
>> Great. Thank you. Thank you.

2802
01:53:27,119 --> 01:53:28,239
>> You're welcome. Thank you.

2803
01:53:28,239 --> 01:53:29,760
>> So, this is not coming out of the public

2804
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:30,880
works reserve. It's coming out of that

2805
01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:32,239
special pot of money.

2806
01:53:32,239 --> 01:53:33,679
>> It's coming out of the special pot of

2807
01:53:33,679 --> 01:53:34,080
money.

2808
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:35,599
>> Yeah. Gotcha. Reserve.

2809
01:53:35,599 --> 01:53:38,560
>> There isn't any in public works for

2810
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:41,440
>> Gotcha. [laughter] So, well,

2811
01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:43,199
>> so having said that and and listening to

2812
01:53:43,199 --> 01:53:47,920
Tommy. So Danny, I think, and we'll talk to Franny, but I don't see

2813
01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:53,199
anything wrong with So So this one was a leftover truck ready to go. So there

2814
01:53:53,199 --> 01:53:55,679
was a savings to buy it, but

2815
01:53:55,679 --> 01:53:57,920
>> for next year's truck or whatever,

2816
01:53:57,920 --> 01:53:59,360
>> go out to bid. You don't have to buy

2817
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:01,119
one. You know, go out to bid and let's

2818
01:54:01,119 --> 01:54:03,599
see what the difference is and know what

2819
01:54:03,599 --> 01:54:04,159
it is.

2820
01:54:04,159 --> 01:54:05,760
>> You know, you got to look for a used

2821
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:06,400
one. I mean,

2822
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:08,960
>> we don't have to take it. So yeah,

2823
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:10,800
>> using that truck, you know, somewhere

2824
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:13,119
around 2012 or 13, somewhere around

2825
01:54:13,119 --> 01:54:15,440
here, the last 26 years, I think. So,

2826
01:54:15,440 --> 01:54:17,840
>> yeah. Well, we we actually looked at a

2827
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:20,239
2016 recently, but the town, they didn't

2828
01:54:20,239 --> 01:54:21,760
walk they don't wash them like we do.

2829
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:22,800
And because they were just getting rid

2830
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:25,040
of it at the 10 year mark. So,

2831
01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:26,400
>> a lot of times they're junks because

2832
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:27,440
they know they're getting rid of them

2833
01:54:27,440 --> 01:54:29,040
every 10 years. They have

2834
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:30,639
>> the money in their operating budget to

2835
01:54:30,639 --> 01:54:31,840
just

2836
01:54:31,840 --> 01:54:33,360
>> rolling stock them.

2837
01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:35,440
>> But, um, you know, can we go out to bid

2838
01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:38,719
in the future? Yeah.

2839
01:54:38,719 --> 01:54:40,239
the source. Well, you know, they know

2840
01:54:40,239 --> 01:54:42,719
I'm just going to use a number 31% off

2841
01:54:42,719 --> 01:54:44,960
MS MRSP. So, someone's going to come in

2842
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:47,599
at 30.5 or, you know, and it's going to

2843
01:54:47,599 --> 01:54:49,760
take 90 days and

2844
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:51,360
>> and then it's not the guy who's building

2845
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:52,800
our truck all the time. It could be a

2846
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:54,880
different vendor and

2847
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:56,880
>> but Source Well, they have different

2848
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:57,599
kinds of trucks.

2849
01:54:57,599 --> 01:54:58,480
>> At least check the price

2850
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:00,320
>> or is it just Mac?

2851
01:55:00,320 --> 01:55:02,960
>> No, Mac is on source. Okay. Just like

2852
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:07,440
John Deere tractor, Ford. Okay.

2853
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:07,679
Yeah,

2854
01:55:07,679 --> 01:55:08,480
>> thanks Dan.

2855
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:09,520
>> Thank you sir.

2856
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:11,599
>> Thank you.

2857
01:55:11,599 --> 01:55:14,400
>> Okay. Next item. Authorizing resolution

2858
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:16,960
for renewal of household hazardous waste

2859
01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:20,239
collection for July 1st, 2026

2860
01:55:20,239 --> 01:55:25,510
through June 30th, 2029.

2861
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:27,599
» Uh yeah. So this is a program that the

2862
01:55:27,599 --> 01:55:30,719
town currently participates in. It uh

2863
01:55:30,719 --> 01:55:32,880
offers town residents the ability to

2864
01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:36,080
dispose of hazardous materials

2865
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:38,159
uh from

2866
01:55:38,159 --> 01:55:40,960
9:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. from May to

2867
01:55:40,960 --> 01:55:43,440
October at the regional water authority

2868
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:46,480
facility in New Haven. Um this is

2869
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:49,199
something that was in the budget uh that

2870
01:55:49,199 --> 01:55:53,119
passed. There's 22,500 budgeted for this

2871
01:55:53,119 --> 01:55:56,080
item. Uh and there is a resolution

2872
01:55:56,080 --> 01:56:02,470
included in the packet as well.

2873
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:05,920
It's on page 39 and it's a long

2874
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:08,000
resolution. So you might want to just

2875
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:10,560
>> So I move that we approve the resolution

2876
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:14,080
as stated on page 39 which will be

2877
01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:17,360
effective from June July 1, 2026 through

2878
01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:20,639
June 30th, 2029.

2879
01:56:20,639 --> 01:56:21,679
>> Is there a second?

2880
01:56:21,679 --> 01:56:22,159
>> Second.

2881
01:56:22,159 --> 01:56:24,159
>> Okay.

2882
01:56:24,159 --> 01:56:27,199
Motion was made by councelor Diamond,

2883
01:56:27,199 --> 01:56:31,360
seconded by councelor Rose.

2884
01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:33,360
Any discussion?

2885
01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:34,960
All in favor?

2886
01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:39,760
>> I opposed. Abstain. Motion carries.

2887
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:43,280
Next is proposed fixed assessment

2888
01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:46,159
agreement for 280 Brford Road, also

2889
01:56:46,159 --> 01:56:50,080
known as Central Plaza.

2890
01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:52,639
So, as uh the council may remember, uh

2891
01:56:52,639 --> 01:56:54,719
the ownership of Central Plaza

2892
01:56:54,719 --> 01:56:57,280
transferred uh at the beginning of the

2893
01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:59,920
year. Um since then, we've been in

2894
01:56:59,920 --> 01:57:03,199
frequent contact with the new owners. Um

2895
01:57:03,199 --> 01:57:05,199
as you may recall, there were a number

2896
01:57:05,199 --> 01:57:07,599
of outstanding

2897
01:57:07,599 --> 01:57:10,880
um blight issues on the property as well

2898
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:14,239
as some building code violations. Um,

2899
01:57:14,239 --> 01:57:17,119
and you know, we we did not anticipate

2900
01:57:17,119 --> 01:57:18,639
that they would immediately correct

2901
01:57:18,639 --> 01:57:20,000
them, that it would take them a little

2902
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:21,520
bit of time once the ownership

2903
01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:24,159
transferred to line up contractors, etc.

2904
01:57:24,159 --> 01:57:26,320
Um, and we're happy to report that, you

2905
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:29,040
know, the vast majority of the code uh

2906
01:57:29,040 --> 01:57:32,000
violations have been remediated already.

2907
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:34,719
Um, in addition to that, they have a

2908
01:57:34,719 --> 01:57:37,840
number of plans underway. they've been

2909
01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:39,840
getting uh quotes for some additional

2910
01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:43,280
projects trying to bring the plaza um up

2911
01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:47,119
to a higher standard. Um around the time

2912
01:57:47,119 --> 01:57:48,880
of the property transfer, the the new

2913
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:51,679
owners approached me and asked uh

2914
01:57:51,679 --> 01:57:53,520
whether the town would be willing to

2915
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:56,960
consider any sort of assistance uh in

2916
01:57:56,960 --> 01:57:59,920
terms of their tax burden. Uh, and so I

2917
01:57:59,920 --> 01:58:01,520
took that request and brought it

2918
01:58:01,520 --> 01:58:03,199
directly to the economic development

2919
01:58:03,199 --> 01:58:05,760
commission the past several times that

2920
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:07,840
um [snorts] matters have come before the

2921
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:09,599
council like the economic development

2922
01:58:09,599 --> 01:58:11,840
fund. The council had requested that the

2923
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:13,440
economic development commission weigh in

2924
01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:15,440
on those and so I brought it directly to

2925
01:58:15,440 --> 01:58:16,639
the commission to provide a

2926
01:58:16,639 --> 01:58:21,119
recommendation to the council. Um

2927
01:58:21,119 --> 01:58:23,440
due to the nature of the work that needs

2928
01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:26,320
to be done there, uh it is not a good

2929
01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:28,080
candidate for the town's existing

2930
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:31,440
assessment deferral program. Uh the

2931
01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:33,679
requirements of that program include

2932
01:58:33,679 --> 01:58:36,239
that the value of the property must

2933
01:58:36,239 --> 01:58:40,480
increase uh by 30% or more as a result

2934
01:58:40,480 --> 01:58:43,040
of that project. Um, and because we're

2935
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:45,520
mostly talking about

2936
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:48,880
uh roof replacement, uh, you know,

2937
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:50,880
really just remediation of existing

2938
01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:53,040
issues rather than expansion and

2939
01:58:53,040 --> 01:58:55,599
improvement. Uh, it would not meet the

2940
01:58:55,599 --> 01:58:57,920
requirements of the program.

2941
01:58:57,920 --> 01:59:00,320
Additionally, it it is not likely to be

2942
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:02,159
done all at once. It is something that

2943
01:59:02,159 --> 01:59:03,520
is going to be done over a number of

2944
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:06,639
years. Um, so we started to look for

2945
01:59:06,639 --> 01:59:10,560
other tools um the town could use. Uh

2946
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:12,080
and there is a state statute which

2947
01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:15,599
allows the town to enter into uh an

2948
01:59:15,599 --> 01:59:20,560
agreement of up to 30 years um with a

2949
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:24,480
property owner uh to do a fixed

2950
01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:26,320
assessment agreement. And so what that

2951
01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:30,560
would entail is um

2952
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:33,679
fixing the assessment for a number of

2953
01:59:33,679 --> 01:59:35,760
years at a rate specified in the

2954
01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:40,960
agreement. Um and so

2955
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:44,560
once uh I had introduced that idea to

2956
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:46,080
the economic development commission it

2957
01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:48,560
became about what is the term of the

2958
01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:51,119
proposed agreement and and what are the

2959
01:59:51,119 --> 01:59:54,639
levels of the assessment to be included.

2960
01:59:54,639 --> 01:59:59,280
Um so the goal of this agreement is to

2961
01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:02,320
provide uh stability and predictability

2962
02:00:02,320 --> 02:00:04,800
to the property owners in terms of their

2963
02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:09,360
tax bill. Um, as a result, the Economic

2964
02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:10,800
Development Commission settled on a

2965
02:00:10,800 --> 02:00:13,040
10-year period. They thought that was

2966
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:14,719
significant enough to provide the

2967
02:00:14,719 --> 02:00:18,400
necessary stability uh without uh, you

2968
02:00:18,400 --> 02:00:21,199
know, burdening the town long term. Uh,

2969
02:00:21,199 --> 02:00:23,760
and then in terms of the amounts that

2970
02:00:23,760 --> 02:00:26,480
they selected, the sale price on the

2971
02:00:26,480 --> 02:00:29,920
property was $3.5 million.

2972
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:31,520
Um,

2973
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:34,880
70% of that is approximately 2.45

2974
02:00:34,880 --> 02:00:38,320
million. And so the first term uh was

2975
02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:41,520
2.5 million for three years.

2976
02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:45,440
Uh the final term is a 4-year term at

2977
02:00:45,440 --> 02:00:48,719
4.1 million which was the assessed value

2978
02:00:48,719 --> 02:00:50,639
after revaluation.

2979
02:00:50,639 --> 02:00:52,880
Uh and the middle term is splitting the

2980
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:56,239
difference moving it uh halfway between.

2981
02:00:56,239 --> 02:00:59,040
Um and so that was the vote that the

2982
02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:01,440
economic development commission took at

2983
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:03,920
their meeting earlier this month. So,

2984
02:01:03,920 --> 02:01:05,280
I'm presenting it to the council for

2985
02:01:05,280 --> 02:01:08,000
consideration um and looking for some

2986
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:11,040
feedback as to any concerns that you may

2987
02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:11,920
have.

2988
02:01:11,920 --> 02:01:16,159
>> Okay. So, I I you know looked at all of the

2989
02:01:16,159 --> 02:01:22,800
information in our packet as far as the field card and everything else

2990
02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:25,360
based on that information.

2991
02:01:25,360 --> 02:01:29,199
has the town assessor gone through like

2992
02:01:29,199 --> 02:01:32,719
do we have information regarding current

2993
02:01:32,719 --> 02:01:35,679
rents on the property that type of thing

2994
02:01:35,679 --> 02:01:39,360
and has he gone through and done an

2995
02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:42,800
assessment on this property uh or an

2996
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:46,000
analysis of this information

2997
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:49,440
>> because I know that I I believe on

2998
02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:50,880
commercial properties and especially

2999
02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:53,119
like this there are forms that have to

3000
02:01:53,119 --> 02:01:54,960
be filled out annually especally

3001
02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:56,719
Especially on I know on personal

3002
02:01:56,719 --> 02:01:58,719
property on rentals it might be a little

3003
02:01:58,719 --> 02:02:00,560
bit different

3004
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:03,679
given the history of the previous owner.

3005
02:02:03,679 --> 02:02:05,520
I'm sure he didn't submit those.

3006
02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:08,159
>> That is correct. [laughter]

3007
02:02:08,159 --> 02:02:10,800
>> So so I'm I'm not sure that we have that

3008
02:02:10,800 --> 02:02:13,840
information or that information was

3009
02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:16,000
available to the person [laughter]

3010
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:19,520
the people that bought it. And so, you

3011
02:02:19,520 --> 02:02:22,960
know, how would that relate to the

3012
02:02:22,960 --> 02:02:26,320
information that I mean, I would be

3013
02:02:26,320 --> 02:02:28,320
interested to see how those numbers

3014
02:02:28,320 --> 02:02:31,440
relate to what economic development came

3015
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:32,159
in

3016
02:02:32,159 --> 02:02:33,920
>> came in at.

3017
02:02:33,920 --> 02:02:35,599
>> Yeah.

3018
02:02:35,599 --> 02:02:37,199
>> The the new owners have been very

3019
02:02:37,199 --> 02:02:39,520
forthcoming with information. Um, I

3020
02:02:39,520 --> 02:02:40,960
handed out to you all tonight. It should

3021
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:42,239
be in your folders.

3022
02:02:42,239 --> 02:02:45,199
>> It's this yellow. Yeah, this is

3023
02:02:45,199 --> 02:02:45,520
>> so

3024
02:02:45,520 --> 02:02:48,000
>> about central plaza in your packet.

3025
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:51,440
>> Economic development had asked them for

3026
02:02:51,440 --> 02:02:54,400
um you know some information some

3027
02:02:54,400 --> 02:02:57,119
justification for their request. Um so

3028
02:02:57,119 --> 02:02:59,679
they provided that which includes a list

3029
02:02:59,679 --> 02:03:02,159
of you know all of the deferred

3030
02:03:02,159 --> 02:03:05,199
maintenance from the previous owners.

3031
02:03:05,199 --> 02:03:08,560
um you know, for example, the roof. We

3032
02:03:08,560 --> 02:03:12,000
there was one of the code violations

3033
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:13,599
um

3034
02:03:13,599 --> 02:03:16,320
at the uh building that contains

3035
02:03:16,320 --> 02:03:19,920
townline spirits uh was, you know, a

3036
02:03:19,920 --> 02:03:22,239
persistent roof leak, which was just

3037
02:03:22,239 --> 02:03:25,040
patch after patch after patch. And so in

3038
02:03:25,040 --> 02:03:26,400
their preliminary investigation, they

3039
02:03:26,400 --> 02:03:28,800
said that there are several layers of

3040
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:30,560
roofing material that have just been

3041
02:03:30,560 --> 02:03:34,159
laid on top of one another. Um and so

3042
02:03:34,159 --> 02:03:36,000
they they've been assembling quotes

3043
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:38,560
since they assumed ownership and that is

3044
02:03:38,560 --> 02:03:41,040
what was presented to you tonight. Um

3045
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:44,960
additionally they provided uh copies of

3046
02:03:44,960 --> 02:03:49,599
most of the leases. Um they expressed

3047
02:03:49,599 --> 02:03:52,159
concern at providing some of the

3048
02:03:52,159 --> 02:03:54,560
corporate lease documents. So uh the

3049
02:03:54,560 --> 02:03:59,599
USPS and McDonald's. Um and so I I said

3050
02:03:59,599 --> 02:04:01,360
understandable if you could provide the

3051
02:04:01,360 --> 02:04:04,000
rest. So we have those um and we are

3052
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:05,840
going through them to provide

3053
02:04:05,840 --> 02:04:06,320
announcement.

3054
02:04:06,320 --> 02:04:09,599
>> Why is that understandable?

3055
02:04:09,599 --> 02:04:12,239
>> Um you know they are

3056
02:04:12,239 --> 02:04:14,400
>> they're paying rent on that property. So

3057
02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:16,000
correct they provided understandable

3058
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:18,480
that we that the assessor wouldn't have

3059
02:04:18,480 --> 02:04:20,880
that information to to to tell us what

3060
02:04:20,880 --> 02:04:22,800
the difference is.

3061
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:24,480
>> Um

3062
02:04:24,480 --> 02:04:26,239
they they are providing the rents but

3063
02:04:26,239 --> 02:04:28,400
not the lease documents. As far as I

3064
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:29,119
know they are not

3065
02:04:29,119 --> 02:04:30,080
>> so they're going to apply they're going

3066
02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:32,000
to supply the rent. They did. They did.

3067
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:33,199
Um they just Okay.

3068
02:04:33,199 --> 02:04:34,719
>> They're not required to supply the lease

3069
02:04:34,719 --> 02:04:35,360
documents. So

3070
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:36,320
>> I misunderstood you.

3071
02:04:36,320 --> 02:04:37,599
>> Yeah.

3072
02:04:37,599 --> 02:04:39,280
>> Um

3073
02:04:39,280 --> 02:04:41,920
and so I I've given that information to

3074
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:46,000
the assessor. Um at first glance, most

3075
02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:47,920
of them seem

3076
02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:51,920
uh well below market. Uh and that is

3077
02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:53,920
part of uh the new owner's issue as

3078
02:04:53,920 --> 02:04:58,080
well. they're in a position where um

3079
02:04:58,080 --> 02:05:00,560
you know

3080
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:02,960
they need to raise the rents in order to

3081
02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:07,679
generate the funds to do the work. Um

3082
02:05:07,679 --> 02:05:10,400
but if they do so too quickly, they

3083
02:05:10,400 --> 02:05:12,080
could lose the tenants, in which case

3084
02:05:12,080 --> 02:05:14,480
they'll have even less money coming in.

3085
02:05:14,480 --> 02:05:18,400
Um, and so, uh, I'm happy to have the

3086
02:05:18,400 --> 02:05:20,320
assessor review that information, come

3087
02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:22,719
back to the council with, uh, a more

3088
02:05:22,719 --> 02:05:26,159
formal analysis. Um, but, you know, what

3089
02:05:26,159 --> 02:05:29,520
we're looking to provide them is,

3090
02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:33,599
um, you know, Central Plaza is a a key

3091
02:05:33,599 --> 02:05:36,239
component of the town. It's been in bad

3092
02:05:36,239 --> 02:05:41,199
condition for decades. Um, and so, you

3093
02:05:41,199 --> 02:05:43,119
know, we

3094
02:05:43,119 --> 02:05:44,880
we're glad that the town was able to

3095
02:05:44,880 --> 02:05:46,880
play a role in facilitating the transfer

3096
02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:48,560
of the property, but now that it is

3097
02:05:48,560 --> 02:05:54,000
transferred, um, we're looking to, uh,

3098
02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:56,880
be a good partner with the new owners,

3099
02:05:56,880 --> 02:06:00,480
uh, and to the extent possible, um, see

3100
02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:01,920
if we can provide them a little bit of

3101
02:06:01,920 --> 02:06:03,679
breathing room so that we can see the

3102
02:06:03,679 --> 02:06:06,480
improvements to the plaza, uh, more

3103
02:06:06,480 --> 02:06:08,880
quickly. I, you know, in speaking with

3104
02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:11,360
them, you know, I they're town

3105
02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:13,440
residents. They own other businesses in

3106
02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:19,360
town as well. Um, I believe that they want to do right by the town. They

3107
02:06:19,360 --> 02:06:22,239
want to improve the plaza, but they're really in a difficult position

3108
02:06:22,239 --> 02:06:24,800
at the moment. So,

3109
02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:26,952
>> well, correct me if I'm wrong. They're

3110
02:06:26,952 --> 02:06:28,159
[clears throat] looking for a fixed task

3111
02:06:28,159 --> 02:06:30,400
assessment, but they still have the

3112
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:32,000
opportunity to go up on the square

3113
02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:35,040
footage of the rents for each each

3114
02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:37,920
particular tenant. Correct.

3115
02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:39,440
>> How does that play a role into the fixed

3116
02:06:39,440 --> 02:06:40,880
cost assessment?

3117
02:06:40,880 --> 02:06:42,239
>> How do they benefit and how do we

3118
02:06:42,239 --> 02:06:43,920
benefit?

3119
02:06:43,920 --> 02:06:45,920
>> You know,

3120
02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:48,239
over what the fixed assessment agreement

3121
02:06:48,239 --> 02:06:49,920
would do is we we would know exactly

3122
02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:53,360
what the town's tax income would be for

3123
02:06:53,360 --> 02:06:55,679
the period of the agreement. It fixes

3124
02:06:55,679 --> 02:06:57,520
the assessment and so the mill rate will

3125
02:06:57,520 --> 02:07:00,480
change and the new mill rate will apply

3126
02:07:00,480 --> 02:07:02,480
but the assessment remains the same.

3127
02:07:02,480 --> 02:07:04,480
>> Understand that. But that's not my

3128
02:07:04,480 --> 02:07:06,719
question.

3129
02:07:06,719 --> 02:07:08,639
the tenants

3130
02:07:08,639 --> 02:07:10,800
stand a chance of getting rental

3131
02:07:10,800 --> 02:07:11,599
increases [clears throat]

3132
02:07:11,599 --> 02:07:12,960
based on the square footage.

3133
02:07:12,960 --> 02:07:13,440
>> Yeah.

3134
02:07:13,440 --> 02:07:15,040
>> So that's a bigger profit for the

3135
02:07:15,040 --> 02:07:16,320
landlord.

3136
02:07:16,320 --> 02:07:18,960
>> How does that benefit us? How

3137
02:07:18,960 --> 02:07:20,400
>> do you understand what I'm saying?

3138
02:07:20,400 --> 02:07:21,199
>> Yeah. I mean

3139
02:07:21,199 --> 02:07:22,960
>> we're helping them but how do we get

3140
02:07:22,960 --> 02:07:28,480
paid back as well? So essentially by the

3141
02:07:28,480 --> 02:07:30,560
plaza improving you know the the way

3142
02:07:30,560 --> 02:07:32,320
that uh we structured the draft

3143
02:07:32,320 --> 02:07:36,800
agreement is that between each period um

3144
02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:40,719
it is not an automatic renewal. Uh

3145
02:07:40,719 --> 02:07:42,320
there's three separate periods each

3146
02:07:42,320 --> 02:07:44,400
period requires an affirmative vote of

3147
02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:47,199
the council. So if after three years you

3148
02:07:47,199 --> 02:07:48,960
are not satisfied with the progress at

3149
02:07:48,960 --> 02:07:51,360
the plaza you can cancel the agreement.

3150
02:07:51,360 --> 02:07:52,719
All right.

3151
02:07:52,719 --> 02:07:54,239
We've often said and we've had speakers

3152
02:07:54,239 --> 02:07:59,360
come before us. Part of our problem is we are a farming community

3153
02:07:59,360 --> 02:08:01,520
>> and we need businesses if we can get

3154
02:08:01,520 --> 02:08:04,800
them in to help offset the taxes that

3155
02:08:04,800 --> 02:08:07,440
homeowners have to pay. Does isn't this

3156
02:08:07,440 --> 02:08:10,079
the reverse of that that we're giving

3157
02:08:10,079 --> 02:08:11,920
them a fixed assessment and they're

3158
02:08:11,920 --> 02:08:14,480
paying less taxes to us and doesn't that

3159
02:08:14,480 --> 02:08:16,480
make it more of a burden on the the the

3160
02:08:16,480 --> 02:08:18,880
homeowners, the residents?

3161
02:08:18,880 --> 02:08:24,719
um it is a longer term approach. Um so

3162
02:08:24,719 --> 02:08:27,440
yes in the short term uh by reducing the

3163
02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:29,840
assessed value there will be less less

3164
02:08:29,840 --> 02:08:32,079
tax income coming in from the property.

3165
02:08:32,079 --> 02:08:34,400
Uh the hope is that you know at at the

3166
02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:37,119
end of the 10-year agreement um in

3167
02:08:37,119 --> 02:08:39,920
addition to the the natural increase in

3168
02:08:39,920 --> 02:08:41,280
the property value that would come

3169
02:08:41,280 --> 02:08:43,840
through revaluation cycles.

3170
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:47,199
uh you will also see the value that

3171
02:08:47,199 --> 02:08:49,920
comes from the the investments in the

3172
02:08:49,920 --> 02:08:52,239
property. And so at the end of the

3173
02:08:52,239 --> 02:08:54,320
10-year period, basically it's a it's a

3174
02:08:54,320 --> 02:08:56,400
cash flow solution. By reducing the

3175
02:08:56,400 --> 02:08:57,520
amount of money that they need to

3176
02:08:57,520 --> 02:08:59,280
allocate to taxes, they're able to

3177
02:08:59,280 --> 02:09:01,119
invest more money into the property in

3178
02:09:01,119 --> 02:09:04,154
the short term. And the pay for the

3179
02:09:04,154 --> 02:09:05,520
[clears throat] town is on the tail end

3180
02:09:05,520 --> 02:09:06,960
of that.

3181
02:09:06,960 --> 02:09:08,480
>> But basically, we're paying for his

3182
02:09:08,480 --> 02:09:11,040
upgrades. Basically, it's

3183
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:15,840
>> or what what I don't understand is

3184
02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:18,639
the current value. I I'm just spinning

3185
02:09:18,639 --> 02:09:20,400
around here trying to find it again. I

3186
02:09:20,400 --> 02:09:22,239
thought it was it was approximately 6

3187
02:09:22,239 --> 02:09:23,520
million, right?

3188
02:09:23,520 --> 02:09:25,760
>> That that's what Yes. The

3189
02:09:25,760 --> 02:09:26,639
>> the current

3190
02:09:26,639 --> 02:09:27,199
>> the

3191
02:09:27,199 --> 02:09:28,400
>> on the book

3192
02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:33,440
>> the appraised value which was done as a

3193
02:09:33,440 --> 02:09:36,079
mass, you know, during the reval.

3194
02:09:36,079 --> 02:09:39,679
>> Yeah. Okay. So why would we go why would

3195
02:09:39,679 --> 02:09:42,880
at the end of 10 years it it fall back

3196
02:09:42,880 --> 02:09:46,639
to current market value? Why would why

3197
02:09:46,639 --> 02:09:49,599
would it be a a lower rate?

3198
02:09:49,599 --> 02:09:52,560
>> No, not the the then present market

3199
02:09:52,560 --> 02:09:54,000
value. So whatever the market value

3200
02:09:54,000 --> 02:09:55,119
would be in 10 years.

3201
02:09:55,119 --> 02:09:58,480
>> Yeah. the the the property would be

3202
02:09:58,480 --> 02:10:00,320
assessed as a part of the revaluation

3203
02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:04,400
process, but the assessed value on which

3204
02:10:04,400 --> 02:10:06,800
the taxes would be based would be the

3205
02:10:06,800 --> 02:10:09,119
value in the agreement. At the end of

3206
02:10:09,119 --> 02:10:11,520
that 10-year period, it goes to what the

3207
02:10:11,520 --> 02:10:14,000
present assessed value is, not the

3208
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:15,199
current.

3209
02:10:15,199 --> 02:10:17,199
>> Yeah, that Yeah, that's I'm sorry, I'm

3210
02:10:17,199 --> 02:10:18,719
mixing terms up, but that's what I mean.

3211
02:10:18,719 --> 02:10:23,189
Yeah. Okay. So,

3212
02:10:23,199 --> 02:10:24,639
yeah, I don't know. I think we got to

3213
02:10:24,639 --> 02:10:25,440
think about this a little.

3214
02:10:25,440 --> 02:10:27,119
>> Well, I think I I think what we need is

3215
02:10:27,119 --> 02:10:28,560
we need the assessor,

3216
02:10:28,560 --> 02:10:30,480
>> right? I think we this this is like

3217
02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:32,159
information that we got. We just got it

3218
02:10:32,159 --> 02:10:32,560
tonight.

3219
02:10:32,560 --> 02:10:33,840
>> We need some time to think through.

3220
02:10:33,840 --> 02:10:36,239
>> I think I anticipate that the council

3221
02:10:36,239 --> 02:10:37,840
would move this forward tonight. It's

3222
02:10:37,840 --> 02:10:39,840
more if there are specific things you're

3223
02:10:39,840 --> 02:10:41,760
looking for from the assessor to make

3224
02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:44,960
sure you want two months, one month.

3225
02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:47,040
>> No, the assessor probably couldn't have

3226
02:10:47,040 --> 02:10:48,800
information for our July meeting.

3227
02:10:48,800 --> 02:10:52,560
>> So, I'll make a motion to table. Just let me ask one question until

3228
02:10:52,560 --> 02:10:53,920
>> Just let me ask one question.

3229
02:10:53,920 --> 02:10:54,639
>> Oh, go ahead.

3230
02:10:54,639 --> 02:10:56,400
>> The IGA space that's there that's

3231
02:10:56,400 --> 02:10:57,679
vacant, it's been vacant for a long

3232
02:10:57,679 --> 02:10:59,199
time.

3233
02:10:59,199 --> 02:11:02,320
>> If they end up getting occupy that

3234
02:11:02,320 --> 02:11:03,920
space,

3235
02:11:03,920 --> 02:11:05,520
>> does that person end up paying taxes

3236
02:11:05,520 --> 02:11:07,360
based on their business themselves too?

3237
02:11:07,360 --> 02:11:08,639
Is that is that how that works or would

3238
02:11:08,639 --> 02:11:09,360
they

3239
02:11:09,360 --> 02:11:12,800
>> will depend? Um, so,

3240
02:11:12,800 --> 02:11:15,199
uh, kind of the industry standard now is

3241
02:11:15,199 --> 02:11:18,079
a triple net lease. And in one of those

3242
02:11:18,079 --> 02:11:21,360
leases, yes, the the business owner is

3243
02:11:21,360 --> 02:11:24,239
responsible for the property taxes. So,

3244
02:11:24,239 --> 02:11:26,159
I mean, that's a good point. It would it

3245
02:11:26,159 --> 02:11:28,719
would be passed on to uh the business

3246
02:11:28,719 --> 02:11:32,079
owner, the tenant. Um,

3247
02:11:32,079 --> 02:11:34,560
and that, you know, looking at the

3248
02:11:34,560 --> 02:11:36,320
leases, the existing leases, none of

3249
02:11:36,320 --> 02:11:37,840
them are triple net. I think I think

3250
02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:40,639
maybe one

3251
02:11:40,639 --> 02:11:42,239
>> the big focal point is occupying that

3252
02:11:42,239 --> 02:11:43,040
big space.

3253
02:11:43,040 --> 02:11:45,760
>> But the other thing is the tenant would

3254
02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:48,719
pay personal property tax on the

3255
02:11:48,719 --> 02:11:50,560
equipment and stuff. That's that's

3256
02:11:50,560 --> 02:11:52,400
totally separate from the real estate

3257
02:11:52,400 --> 02:11:55,280
tax. They would still be responsible for

3258
02:11:55,280 --> 02:11:57,199
the person depending on the type of

3259
02:11:57,199 --> 02:11:58,159
business.

3260
02:11:58,159 --> 02:12:00,800
>> So they would pay they have to file a

3261
02:12:00,800 --> 02:12:03,119
form. It's due every November 1st and

3262
02:12:03,119 --> 02:12:06,159
they get charged against on the personal

3263
02:12:06,159 --> 02:12:08,000
property and that's separate from the

3264
02:12:08,000 --> 02:12:08,719
real estate.

3265
02:12:08,719 --> 02:12:10,480
>> Part part of the other issue is that

3266
02:12:10,480 --> 02:12:12,159
they are locked into some of these

3267
02:12:12,159 --> 02:12:14,239
leases. These were negotiated by the

3268
02:12:14,239 --> 02:12:17,119
prior owner. They inherited them and now

3269
02:12:17,119 --> 02:12:18,480
you know they they have several years

3270
02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:20,400
until the end of these lease terms. And

3271
02:12:20,400 --> 02:12:22,960
so to your question, councelor Mace,

3272
02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:24,800
they won't be able to renegotiate some

3273
02:12:24,800 --> 02:12:26,880
of these leases for a number of years.

3274
02:12:26,880 --> 02:12:28,239
So they're locked into their current

3275
02:12:28,239 --> 02:12:29,040
cash flow.

3276
02:12:29,040 --> 02:12:30,560
>> Oh, I understand that people. We're

3277
02:12:30,560 --> 02:12:34,000
giving them a 10-year fixed assessment.

3278
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:35,679
In the meantime, they can still

3279
02:12:35,679 --> 02:12:38,400
capitalize on their tenants by every

3280
02:12:38,400 --> 02:12:40,800
month going up on the the price per

3281
02:12:40,800 --> 02:12:42,079
square footage.

3282
02:12:42,079 --> 02:12:43,520
>> No, no, that's what he just said.

3283
02:12:43,520 --> 02:12:45,280
>> Not the lease. Not the lease.

3284
02:12:45,280 --> 02:12:46,880
>> Not when the lease is expired.

3285
02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:48,320
>> Some of the leases are expired. Some of

3286
02:12:48,320 --> 02:12:49,599
them are still current. So, they will

3287
02:12:49,599 --> 02:12:50,320
not be able to do that.

3288
02:12:50,320 --> 02:12:52,800
>> I know eventually it happens.

3289
02:12:52,800 --> 02:12:54,880
>> Yes. Yes, but but that we also have the

3290
02:12:54,880 --> 02:12:57,760
right according to this is every so the

3291
02:12:57,760 --> 02:13:00,079
first fixed assessment is for three

3292
02:13:00,079 --> 02:13:02,719
years. So at the end of that three years

3293
02:13:02,719 --> 02:13:05,199
we have the right to cancel the fixed

3294
02:13:05,199 --> 02:13:07,599
assessment before you go to the next

3295
02:13:07,599 --> 02:13:10,880
block of years on there. So we we that

3296
02:13:10,880 --> 02:13:13,440
is written into the so we do have it's

3297
02:13:13,440 --> 02:13:15,920
not an automatic like he said but I I

3298
02:13:15,920 --> 02:13:17,599
think we need more information from the

3299
02:13:17,599 --> 02:13:20,079
assessor. We need we need the assessor

3300
02:13:20,079 --> 02:13:21,599
to tell us how many dollars we're

3301
02:13:21,599 --> 02:13:23,920
talking because if I do the mental math

3302
02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:26,719
on what is you know their from their 41

3303
02:13:26,719 --> 02:13:29,920
to the 25 it's over half a million

3304
02:13:29,920 --> 02:13:32,880
dollars in taxes over 10 years that the

3305
02:13:32,880 --> 02:13:35,199
rest of the people in town are giving to

3306
02:13:35,199 --> 02:13:38,320
them and you know I mean I did a lot of

3307
02:13:38,320 --> 02:13:40,880
development in my life you know when you

3308
02:13:40,880 --> 02:13:42,000
buy something you know what you're

3309
02:13:42,000 --> 02:13:42,320
buying

3310
02:13:42,320 --> 02:13:45,199
>> but it's not 25 for the whole two years

3311
02:13:45,199 --> 02:13:45,760
you know

3312
02:13:45,760 --> 02:13:47,760
>> what that well if I read this thing here

3313
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:50,320
and it's for 10 years. It's over 500,000

3314
02:13:50,320 --> 02:13:52,320
and I got that from the assessor.

3315
02:13:52,320 --> 02:13:53,679
>> No, no, no, no. I'm just saying that you

3316
02:13:53,679 --> 02:13:56,560
said 2. It's not 2.5 because it goes up.

3317
02:13:56,560 --> 02:13:58,960
So, I know there is a a reduction in the

3318
02:13:58,960 --> 02:14:00,880
taxes, but it's it doesn't stay at the

3319
02:14:00,880 --> 02:14:01,679
2.5.

3320
02:14:01,679 --> 02:14:03,520
>> What I'm saying is we need the assessor

3321
02:14:03,520 --> 02:14:06,000
to do an analysis of

3322
02:14:06,000 --> 02:14:07,280
>> whatever they're doing there.

3323
02:14:07,280 --> 02:14:08,159
>> And we need more data

3324
02:14:08,159 --> 02:14:10,079
>> and give us the proper amount. That

3325
02:14:10,079 --> 02:14:10,719
would be my motion.

3326
02:14:10,719 --> 02:14:12,560
>> Then we'd have to decide

3327
02:14:12,560 --> 02:14:14,560
>> whether we want to give them 500,000.

3328
02:14:14,560 --> 02:14:15,280
>> Okay.

3329
02:14:15,280 --> 02:14:16,639
>> Or 400,000

3330
02:14:16,639 --> 02:14:20,000
>> or 600. or 600,000.

3331
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:22,400
>> So that's what we have to decide because

3332
02:14:22,400 --> 02:14:24,159
it is a burden on everybody else in

3333
02:14:24,159 --> 02:14:25,199
town.

3334
02:14:25,199 --> 02:14:27,119
>> Sorry to cut you off. Go ahead. Okay.

3335
02:14:27,119 --> 02:14:30,079
>> I make a motion to table this year

3336
02:14:30,079 --> 02:14:33,280
motion uh for the uh tax fixed tax

3337
02:14:33,280 --> 02:14:37,599
assessment until the July 2026 town

3338
02:14:37,599 --> 02:14:40,000
council meeting with the assessor to

3339
02:14:40,000 --> 02:14:42,400
come before us with the town manager to

3340
02:14:42,400 --> 02:14:44,719
explain to us all of the proprieties of

3341
02:14:44,719 --> 02:14:46,560
the agreement for the fixed tax

3342
02:14:46,560 --> 02:14:49,280
assessment for central plaza.

3343
02:14:49,280 --> 02:14:50,880
>> I may be clear that would be a motion to

3344
02:14:50,880 --> 02:14:52,719
postpone to a date certain. The date

3345
02:14:52,719 --> 02:14:54,800
certain being that July date

3346
02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:55,840
>> you don't want to table. You want to

3347
02:14:55,840 --> 02:14:56,639
postpone it?

3348
02:14:56,639 --> 02:14:58,239
>> Well, well, no, you don't. You if you

3349
02:14:58,239 --> 02:14:59,920
table it, you can't table it to a

3350
02:14:59,920 --> 02:15:01,440
specific date. If you want to have it a

3351
02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:03,360
specific date, it's technically a motion

3352
02:15:03,360 --> 02:15:06,320
to postpone to a date certain.

3353
02:15:06,320 --> 02:15:08,960
>> All right. this table of this council. A

3354
02:15:08,960 --> 02:15:11,040
motion to postpone

3355
02:15:11,040 --> 02:15:12,719
the current fixed cost assessment for

3356
02:15:12,719 --> 02:15:17,040
Central Plaza until the July 2026 town

3357
02:15:17,040 --> 02:15:19,280
council meeting with the assessor to

3358
02:15:19,280 --> 02:15:21,679
provide town manager with information to

3359
02:15:21,679 --> 02:15:23,360
answer our questions at that July

3360
02:15:23,360 --> 02:15:25,280
meeting.

3361
02:15:25,280 --> 02:15:26,400
>> Is that our counselor?

3362
02:15:26,400 --> 02:15:28,560
>> Yes, sir. That's perfect.

3363
02:15:28,560 --> 02:15:29,840
>> Second.

3364
02:15:29,840 --> 02:15:31,360
>> Motion [snorts] was made by councelor

3365
02:15:31,360 --> 02:15:34,159
May, seconded by councelor Zampano. So

3366
02:15:34,159 --> 02:15:36,719
for discussion purposes, so so since you

3367
02:15:36,719 --> 02:15:38,800
must have information and I know you

3368
02:15:38,800 --> 02:15:41,040
talked to EDC or whatever, but

3369
02:15:41,040 --> 02:15:44,320
>> so this bottom line that reads request

3370
02:15:44,320 --> 02:15:48,400
freezing property tax assessment at 2.5

3371
02:15:48,400 --> 02:15:51,360
million for 10 years. So that's wrong.

3372
02:15:51,360 --> 02:15:53,280
>> You're saying goes up?

3373
02:15:53,280 --> 02:15:55,280
>> Yeah, that was not the recommendation of

3374
02:15:55,280 --> 02:15:55,920
EDC.

3375
02:15:55,920 --> 02:15:56,320
>> Wrong.

3376
02:15:56,320 --> 02:15:58,639
>> Well, that this is from the owners of

3377
02:15:58,639 --> 02:16:01,440
the plaza that what's in our

3378
02:16:01,440 --> 02:16:03,360
>> document. What are we looking at? Well,

3379
02:16:03,360 --> 02:16:05,840
but there's a memo there's the memo in

3380
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:10,079
our packet that laid out what the break,

3381
02:16:10,079 --> 02:16:12,480
you know, how many years 1 through three

3382
02:16:12,480 --> 02:16:16,480
it was 2.5, four through seven was goes

3383
02:16:16,480 --> 02:16:18,400
to 3 point something and then

3384
02:16:18,400 --> 02:16:19,679
>> that but that's the other thing then

3385
02:16:19,679 --> 02:16:21,520
let's get one document that we're

3386
02:16:21,520 --> 02:16:22,560
looking at.

3387
02:16:22,560 --> 02:16:24,400
>> Well, this just gave us this was

3388
02:16:24,400 --> 02:16:25,119
information from

3389
02:16:25,119 --> 02:16:26,800
>> one document that's the right document

3390
02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:28,800
at the next meeting

3391
02:16:28,800 --> 02:16:29,760
>> that was provided

3392
02:16:29,760 --> 02:16:30,400
>> you're going to get it

3393
02:16:30,400 --> 02:16:33,200
>> for additional context. Yeah.

3394
02:16:33,200 --> 02:16:35,519
>> Okay. Because it it's the deferred

3395
02:16:35,519 --> 02:16:36,800
maintenance list for the

3396
02:16:36,800 --> 02:16:38,800
>> propert.

3397
02:16:38,800 --> 02:16:40,880
But also, I mean, isn't

3398
02:16:40,880 --> 02:16:44,080
>> can't we trade partly a negotiation here

3399
02:16:44,080 --> 02:16:45,200
too if we

3400
02:16:45,200 --> 02:16:46,800
>> this is the the recommendation of the

3401
02:16:46,800 --> 02:16:48,000
EDC?

3402
02:16:48,000 --> 02:16:50,080
>> It is ultimately the council's decision,

3403
02:16:50,080 --> 02:16:52,240
>> right? Yes, it it definitely

3404
02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:52,960
>> Right.

3405
02:16:52,960 --> 02:16:54,160
>> It's a starting point.

3406
02:16:54,160 --> 02:16:56,240
>> Yeah. Yeah. Gotcha.

3407
02:16:56,240 --> 02:16:59,519
>> It's a starting point for us.

3408
02:16:59,519 --> 02:17:02,000
>> That's it. All in favor?

3409
02:17:02,000 --> 02:17:03,840
>> I opposed.

3410
02:17:03,840 --> 02:17:05,585
>> No.

3411
02:17:05,585 --> 02:17:05,679
[snorts]

3412
02:17:05,679 --> 02:17:07,200
>> Abstain.

3413
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:10,950
Motion carries.

3414
02:17:10,960 --> 02:17:13,920
Okay.

3415
02:17:13,920 --> 02:17:21,349
Tax refunds.

3416
02:17:21,359 --> 02:17:27,190
Okay.

3417
02:17:27,200 --> 02:17:31,110
[clears throat]

3418
02:17:31,120 --> 02:17:32,960
I'll make the motion to approve the tax

3419
02:17:32,960 --> 02:17:37,349
refund of $2,758.24

3420
02:17:37,359 --> 02:17:41,599
to Leonard David and Herrera Lori.

3421
02:17:41,599 --> 02:17:44,790
>> I'll second.

3422
02:17:44,800 --> 02:17:47,599
» Motion was made by Councelor Diamond,

3423
02:17:47,599 --> 02:17:50,399
second by Deputy Mayor McMillan. All in

3424
02:17:50,399 --> 02:17:51,439
favor?

3425
02:17:51,439 --> 02:17:54,960
>> I opposed.

3426
02:17:54,960 --> 02:18:00,230
Abstain. Motion carries.

3427
02:18:00,240 --> 02:18:03,679
appropriation transfers.

3428
02:18:03,679 --> 02:18:05,519
>> You have uh some transfers in front of

3429
02:18:05,519 --> 02:18:08,479
you from um EMD Amtrudo with the

3430
02:18:08,479 --> 02:18:10,639
emergency management department moving

3431
02:18:10,639 --> 02:18:13,920
some money around there. Um Louisa some

3432
02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:16,160
money in social services for cover some

3433
02:18:16,160 --> 02:18:17,679
mileage.

3434
02:18:17,679 --> 02:18:19,599
uh the library covering some additional

3435
02:18:19,599 --> 02:18:22,639
books and digital digital content and

3436
02:18:22,639 --> 02:18:24,639
then some a transfer from the recreation

3437
02:18:24,639 --> 02:18:27,519
department to public works that actually

3438
02:18:27,519 --> 02:18:33,910
does the field uh recreation repairs.

3439
02:18:33,920 --> 02:18:35,679
I'll make the motion that the Northtown

3440
02:18:35,679 --> 02:18:37,200
Council hereby approve the following

3441
02:18:37,200 --> 02:18:39,200
appropriation transfers as recommended

3442
02:18:39,200 --> 02:18:40,960
by the town manager and the treasur

3443
02:18:40,960 --> 02:18:42,880
finance director.

3444
02:18:42,880 --> 02:18:44,960
Second

3445
02:18:44,960 --> 02:18:47,200
>> discussion.

3446
02:18:47,200 --> 02:18:48,880
All in favor?

3447
02:18:48,880 --> 02:18:50,240
>> I

3448
02:18:50,240 --> 02:18:52,080
>> opposed.

3449
02:18:52,080 --> 02:18:55,679
Substain. Motion carries.

3450
02:18:55,679 --> 02:18:57,439
Uh financial report.

3451
02:18:57,439 --> 02:19:00,479
>> Financial report. Uh the departments

3452
02:19:00,479 --> 02:19:02,479
that were over previously again we're

3453
02:19:02,479 --> 02:19:04,240
working on the consolidated cost center.

3454
02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:05,840
Getting that resolved would be a

3455
02:19:05,840 --> 02:19:08,319
transfer before you next meeting. Uh the

3456
02:19:08,319 --> 02:19:10,160
mayor and council and the zoning board

3457
02:19:10,160 --> 02:19:12,160
of appeals are both over due to

3458
02:19:12,160 --> 02:19:13,679
advertising.

3459
02:19:13,679 --> 02:19:15,040
Uh the big one at the bottom, the

3460
02:19:15,040 --> 02:19:16,639
operating transfers out is the

3461
02:19:16,639 --> 02:19:18,479
reclassification of the fund balance

3462
02:19:18,479 --> 02:19:22,000
transfers that we uh did a couple months

3463
02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:25,359
ago. Uh on track for another year in the

3464
02:19:25,359 --> 02:19:28,080
black with one more month left to go. We

3465
02:19:28,080 --> 02:19:30,080
are uh starting the process. We signed

3466
02:19:30,080 --> 02:19:32,399
the paperwork, the engagement letter for

3467
02:19:32,399 --> 02:19:34,639
the auditors. They'll be coming in in

3468
02:19:34,639 --> 02:19:37,359
the latter part of June to start the 26

3469
02:19:37,359 --> 02:19:39,439
audit.

3470
02:19:39,439 --> 02:19:43,760
No, no surprises as of yet.

3471
02:19:43,760 --> 02:19:48,319
So, so I have a question in regards to

3472
02:19:48,319 --> 02:19:51,760
accounts, departments that will have

3473
02:19:51,760 --> 02:19:54,160
money left over.

3474
02:19:54,160 --> 02:19:56,720
And I know it was brought up during

3475
02:19:56,720 --> 02:19:59,520
budget season and the police department

3476
02:19:59,520 --> 02:20:01,200
when they presented their budget at

3477
02:20:01,200 --> 02:20:03,840
their workshop in March. Um the chief

3478
02:20:03,840 --> 02:20:08,800
had talked about he knows of um

3479
02:20:08,800 --> 02:20:11,359
contracts coming

3480
02:20:11,359 --> 02:20:14,240
due in the next 2 3 4 years that are

3481
02:20:14,240 --> 02:20:16,399
going to have an increase and he had

3482
02:20:16,399 --> 02:20:20,720
asked if we could take some money that's

3483
02:20:20,720 --> 02:20:23,200
left over in his account and put it into

3484
02:20:23,200 --> 02:20:26,080
a non-lapsing account so that we can use

3485
02:20:26,080 --> 02:20:29,120
that money when those contracts come due

3486
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:32,479
to lessen the tax increase. Is that

3487
02:20:32,479 --> 02:20:33,760
possible?

3488
02:20:33,760 --> 02:20:35,359
>> Typically operating expenses you

3489
02:20:35,359 --> 02:20:36,960
wouldn't move that money for. I know he

3490
02:20:36,960 --> 02:20:39,840
has some plans to purchase some vehicles

3491
02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:41,920
uh this year with some savings that he

3492
02:20:41,920 --> 02:20:44,720
has uh built up,

3493
02:20:44,720 --> 02:20:46,479
>> right? But this was he specifically

3494
02:20:46,479 --> 02:20:49,520
talked about contracts that were coming

3495
02:20:49,520 --> 02:20:53,439
due in a couple years and wanting to

3496
02:20:53,439 --> 02:20:57,439
establish like a a non-lapsing account.

3497
02:20:57,439 --> 02:20:59,120
That's the best way to describe it. so

3498
02:20:59,120 --> 02:21:02,640
that the money's there and we have less

3499
02:21:02,640 --> 02:21:05,920
of a tax burden that year. So

3500
02:21:05,920 --> 02:21:08,000
>> yeah, typically you don't want to do

3501
02:21:08,000 --> 02:21:10,640
that. I I'll talk to uh Chief Lovely and

3502
02:21:10,640 --> 02:21:12,240
get some more information from him.

3503
02:21:12,240 --> 02:21:17,200
>> Is it allowed through GASBY

3504
02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:18,800
regulations? If it's an operating

3505
02:21:18,800 --> 02:21:20,399
expense, it should be operating expense

3506
02:21:20,399 --> 02:21:22,479
in the year that it's incurred. You

3507
02:21:22,479 --> 02:21:24,880
shouldn't if you have savings, you know,

3508
02:21:24,880 --> 02:21:26,319
discussion we have every year about

3509
02:21:26,319 --> 02:21:28,160
departments that have savings and what

3510
02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:29,600
happens to that savings. Does it just

3511
02:21:29,600 --> 02:21:31,920
fall back to fund balance, which we were

3512
02:21:31,920 --> 02:21:34,479
teetering at a, you know, lower level

3513
02:21:34,479 --> 02:21:36,319
than we, you know, been at previously.

3514
02:21:36,319 --> 02:21:38,000
We want to bolster the fund balance a

3515
02:21:38,000 --> 02:21:39,600
little bit. If people have savings,

3516
02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:42,080
that's a great thing. Um, or do you want

3517
02:21:42,080 --> 02:21:43,840
to allow them to move it to future

3518
02:21:43,840 --> 02:21:45,920
years? It's ultimately the council's

3519
02:21:45,920 --> 02:21:46,960
call.

3520
02:21:46,960 --> 02:21:48,319
>> I just want to know if it's allowed.

3521
02:21:48,319 --> 02:21:50,160
>> I I I would [laughter]

3522
02:21:50,160 --> 02:21:51,600
I I'll do some research and get back to

3523
02:21:51,600 --> 02:21:53,760
you. I my initial answer was no, but

3524
02:21:53,760 --> 02:21:55,359
I'll I'll check on it.

3525
02:21:55,359 --> 02:21:57,680
>> Okay.

3526
02:21:57,680 --> 02:21:59,439
>> It's an operating expense in that year

3527
02:21:59,439 --> 02:22:00,319
or so.

3528
02:22:00,319 --> 02:22:00,880
>> Correct.

3529
02:22:00,880 --> 02:22:01,520
>> Yeah.

3530
02:22:01,520 --> 02:22:04,640
>> But kind of planning ahead.

3531
02:22:04,640 --> 02:22:05,120
>> Yeah.

3532
02:22:05,120 --> 02:22:07,680
>> And knowing that it's coming and not

3533
02:22:07,680 --> 02:22:10,479
knowing what the conditions might be at

3534
02:22:10,479 --> 02:22:11,280
that time.

3535
02:22:11,280 --> 02:22:11,920
>> Yeah.

3536
02:22:11,920 --> 02:22:13,040
>> I get it. I get it.

3537
02:22:13,040 --> 02:22:16,479
>> So, I just wanted to know does the

3538
02:22:16,479 --> 02:22:19,200
auditor allow it? is do all of the

3539
02:22:19,200 --> 02:22:20,800
recommendations from the different

3540
02:22:20,800 --> 02:22:23,040
organizations and I know municipalities

3541
02:22:23,040 --> 02:22:25,040
are different than private sector. So

3542
02:22:25,040 --> 02:22:27,920
that's why I'm asking the question.

3543
02:22:27,920 --> 02:22:29,120
>> A couple things I want to touch on

3544
02:22:29,120 --> 02:22:31,600
before I uh give it the floor back. Uh

3545
02:22:31,600 --> 02:22:33,600
the opioid funds, we had some additional

3546
02:22:33,600 --> 02:22:37,359
money come in today at $1,542.

3547
02:22:37,359 --> 02:22:40,560
the transfer you uh approved times two

3548
02:22:40,560 --> 02:22:45,600
for the life packs uh will leave $11,892

3549
02:22:45,600 --> 02:22:48,160
in the opioid fund after uh these

3550
02:22:48,160 --> 02:22:50,399
transactions occur.

3551
02:22:50,399 --> 02:22:52,880
>> But do we get an annual have we been

3552
02:22:52,880 --> 02:22:53,359
getting

3553
02:22:53,359 --> 02:22:54,800
>> we get money all along

3554
02:22:54,800 --> 02:22:57,680
>> due to the lawsuit and we get money that

3555
02:22:57,680 --> 02:22:57,920
comes

3556
02:22:57,920 --> 02:22:59,359
>> from each of each of the various whether

3557
02:22:59,359 --> 02:23:01,840
it's Walgreens or all the various firms

3558
02:23:01,840 --> 02:23:03,600
that have the schedules of when they

3559
02:23:03,600 --> 02:23:07,120
have to remit. Um we get letters and

3560
02:23:07,120 --> 02:23:08,399
shortly thereafter we get the money.

3561
02:23:08,399 --> 02:23:08,720
Yeah.

3562
02:23:08,720 --> 02:23:10,319
>> And and approximately

3563
02:23:10,319 --> 02:23:15,359
>> we got 4 46,000 and 23 49,000 in fiscal

3564
02:23:15,359 --> 02:23:19,040
24 20,000 in fiscal 25 so far about

3565
02:23:19,040 --> 02:23:21,840
24,000 change in fiscal 26.

3566
02:23:21,840 --> 02:23:22,399
>> Okay.

3567
02:23:22,399 --> 02:23:26,160
>> So total of 140 roughly and we spent 100

3568
02:23:26,160 --> 02:23:28,319
we spent 128 if you know the police and

3569
02:23:28,319 --> 02:23:31,840
the life packs leaving about $11,800

3570
02:23:31,840 --> 02:23:33,040
in that pot still.

3571
02:23:33,040 --> 02:23:36,399
>> Okay. Thank you. Uh next item, there was

3572
02:23:36,399 --> 02:23:39,600
discussion about the uh MBHS uh where we

3573
02:23:39,600 --> 02:23:41,359
are on that budget. Uh a couple of

3574
02:23:41,359 --> 02:23:43,439
items. There's some uh two different

3575
02:23:43,439 --> 02:23:45,439
contingencies amount. There's a owner's

3576
02:23:45,439 --> 02:23:48,160
contingency and the uh manager

3577
02:23:48,160 --> 02:23:49,920
contingency, construction manager

3578
02:23:49,920 --> 02:23:52,720
combined. It's about $360,000

3579
02:23:52,720 --> 02:23:56,240
left on both contingencies. 69 on the on

3580
02:23:56,240 --> 02:23:58,880
the owner's one and 290 on the overall

3581
02:23:58,880 --> 02:24:01,280
contingency. So I got about $360,000

3582
02:24:01,280 --> 02:24:04,000
left on that budget. Now, does that

3583
02:24:04,000 --> 02:24:07,439
account for the money that's allocated

3584
02:24:07,439 --> 02:24:09,840
for the athletic storage building? Is

3585
02:24:09,840 --> 02:24:11,439
that already out of that? That's what's

3586
02:24:11,439 --> 02:24:14,479
left after we took out the 89,000 or do

3587
02:24:14,479 --> 02:24:16,240
we still have to take money out of that?

3588
02:24:16,240 --> 02:24:18,319
>> That is a grand question. I I will get

3589
02:24:18,319 --> 02:24:20,160
an answer for you.

3590
02:24:20,160 --> 02:24:22,720
>> So, so the athletic storage building,

3591
02:24:22,720 --> 02:24:24,080
>> I thought we were supposed to get an

3592
02:24:24,080 --> 02:24:26,640
answer on that. What was

3593
02:24:26,640 --> 02:24:29,200
all progress on it? Well, no. It's just

3594
02:24:29,200 --> 02:24:31,680
the the funding of it comes out of the

3595
02:24:31,680 --> 02:24:33,920
contingency. So, the numbers he just

3596
02:24:33,920 --> 02:24:35,920
gave us in contingency, did they already

3597
02:24:35,920 --> 02:24:39,600
take the the $89,000 out of that or is

3598
02:24:39,600 --> 02:24:41,280
it just the money that was spent, which

3599
02:24:41,280 --> 02:24:46,080
was probably around 30 $25,000.

3600
02:24:46,080 --> 02:24:47,920
So, there might need to be more that

3601
02:24:47,920 --> 02:24:50,000
comes out of that. And I know they're

3602
02:24:50,000 --> 02:24:52,399
doing the green roof there. they're

3603
02:24:52,399 --> 02:24:56,000
still doing work on and so it's not

3604
02:24:56,000 --> 02:25:00,399
completely finished on that.

3605
02:25:00,399 --> 02:25:04,960
So, okay. Um, one more thing,

3606
02:25:04,960 --> 02:25:09,040
the U police station project

3607
02:25:09,040 --> 02:25:12,800
is uh unfortunately over budget.

3608
02:25:12,800 --> 02:25:16,640
Um, right now through uh the most recent

3609
02:25:16,640 --> 02:25:19,920
report, we're about 16430.

3610
02:25:19,920 --> 02:25:22,960
Uh the budget was 16250.

3611
02:25:22,960 --> 02:25:25,840
Uh the largest item, one of the largest

3612
02:25:25,840 --> 02:25:27,840
items that's over is the interest

3613
02:25:27,840 --> 02:25:29,520
expense.

3614
02:25:29,520 --> 02:25:32,720
And I pulled out the memo that was done

3615
02:25:32,720 --> 02:25:37,120
back in um 20 2020 when we talked about

3616
02:25:37,120 --> 02:25:40,640
financing and at the time the project

3617
02:25:40,640 --> 02:25:45,280
was slated for um about $250,000 of

3618
02:25:45,280 --> 02:25:47,120
interest cost. and that's what we

3619
02:25:47,120 --> 02:25:49,680
budgeted and the game plan at that point

3620
02:25:49,680 --> 02:25:53,120
was notes in 2020, notes in 2021, and

3621
02:25:53,120 --> 02:25:56,640
then bond it permanently in 2022.

3622
02:25:56,640 --> 02:25:59,120
Um, as we all know, the police station

3623
02:25:59,120 --> 02:26:00,960
project dragged for a couple different

3624
02:26:00,960 --> 02:26:03,040
uh reasons. We were not able to close

3625
02:26:03,040 --> 02:26:05,520
the money. Uh, we had to put money out

3626
02:26:05,520 --> 02:26:09,439
again. So that $250,000 estimate of

3627
02:26:09,439 --> 02:26:11,920
interest, which again was predicated

3628
02:26:11,920 --> 02:26:13,760
back when interest rates were low as

3629
02:26:13,760 --> 02:26:18,080
well, ended up being closer to $524,000.

3630
02:26:18,080 --> 02:26:20,479
Um the interest rates that helped on the

3631
02:26:20,479 --> 02:26:22,399
investment side of our house went

3632
02:26:22,399 --> 02:26:25,280
against us on the short-term financing.

3633
02:26:25,280 --> 02:26:27,280
In 2021,

3634
02:26:27,280 --> 02:26:29,840
we paid.13%

3635
02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:32,640
for one-year bands, uh which went to

3636
02:26:32,640 --> 02:26:37,760
1.65 65 in 2022 and then 3.4 in 2023 and

3637
02:26:37,760 --> 02:26:40,960
3.3 in 2024. So, while it helped us on

3638
02:26:40,960 --> 02:26:42,560
the investment side of our our

3639
02:26:42,560 --> 02:26:44,319
investment, it hurt us on the short-term

3640
02:26:44,319 --> 02:26:47,600
financing piece. Um, and in all honesty,

3641
02:26:47,600 --> 02:26:50,720
the budget should have been amended

3642
02:26:50,720 --> 02:26:52,319
once we realized we weren't going to do

3643
02:26:52,319 --> 02:26:54,240
the two bands and one bond. We ended up

3644
02:26:54,240 --> 02:26:57,359
doing four bands and and it dragged the

3645
02:26:57,359 --> 02:26:59,359
project out. Um,

3646
02:26:59,359 --> 02:27:02,319
>> is the project completely bonded? It's

3647
02:27:02,319 --> 02:27:04,960
completely bonded. Uh, and what I'll try

3648
02:27:04,960 --> 02:27:06,399
to do is we're going to work this came

3649
02:27:06,399 --> 02:27:07,600
out to light as we went through the

3650
02:27:07,600 --> 02:27:08,800
numbers to get some numbers for you

3651
02:27:08,800 --> 02:27:11,200
tonight. We'll go through the entire

3652
02:27:11,200 --> 02:27:14,640
police department uh budget line by line

3653
02:27:14,640 --> 02:27:16,319
and we'll get firm numbers for you next

3654
02:27:16,319 --> 02:27:18,800
month to see what the final number is.

3655
02:27:18,800 --> 02:27:21,280
So, the good part of it is is that

3656
02:27:21,280 --> 02:27:23,920
there's cash. Uh, we got bond premiums

3657
02:27:23,920 --> 02:27:26,080
in. So, there's cash in in the fund.

3658
02:27:26,080 --> 02:27:27,760
It's a matter of we're bumping against

3659
02:27:27,760 --> 02:27:30,399
the bond resolution number which will

3660
02:27:30,399 --> 02:27:32,000
need a probably a supplemental

3661
02:27:32,000 --> 02:27:34,880
appropriation next year's CIP as well as

3662
02:27:34,880 --> 02:27:36,560
modifying the bond resolution for

3663
02:27:36,560 --> 02:27:38,319
whatever we got to draw a line in the

3664
02:27:38,319 --> 02:27:40,479
sand and say okay we're done. I'm not

3665
02:27:40,479 --> 02:27:43,840
sure if we're anywhere near the HVAC is

3666
02:27:43,840 --> 02:27:46,640
I don't know where the u

3667
02:27:46,640 --> 02:27:47,200
>> no

3668
02:27:47,200 --> 02:27:48,319
>> they're waiting to get through the

3669
02:27:48,319 --> 02:27:50,240
summer is my understanding to see how

3670
02:27:50,240 --> 02:27:53,920
the air conditioning functions. So we as

3671
02:27:53,920 --> 02:27:55,520
soon as we get firm numbers we can throw

3672
02:27:55,520 --> 02:27:57,600
you know that's it final number what's

3673
02:27:57,600 --> 02:28:00,160
the project cost come back to you guys

3674
02:28:00,160 --> 02:28:02,880
modify the bond resolutions take the

3675
02:28:02,880 --> 02:28:04,399
money out of out of the cash

3676
02:28:04,399 --> 02:28:08,880
>> so so on a project like this you charge

3677
02:28:08,880 --> 02:28:11,359
the project interest when on the

3678
02:28:11,359 --> 02:28:14,000
short-term bands they don't get credit

3679
02:28:14,000 --> 02:28:16,000
for the money that you earn. Oh, yeah.

3680
02:28:16,000 --> 02:28:17,840
No, they do. I say there there's cash in

3681
02:28:17,840 --> 02:28:19,840
this pot. There's over a million dollars

3682
02:28:19,840 --> 02:28:21,359
of cash.

3683
02:28:21,359 --> 02:28:23,920
>> So then how can they be overbudget?

3684
02:28:23,920 --> 02:28:31,590
>> Because we've got bond premiums.

3685
02:28:31,600 --> 02:28:38,572
Standby.

3686
02:28:38,582 --> 02:28:42,230
[snorts]

3687
02:28:42,240 --> 02:28:45,120
Well, I would think if the if the budget

3688
02:28:45,120 --> 02:28:49,680
was a million and you spend a,100,

3689
02:28:49,680 --> 02:28:51,840
you know, a,100,000,

3690
02:28:51,840 --> 02:28:53,280
you're over budget.

3691
02:28:53,280 --> 02:28:56,000
>> Yeah, but that but in that million 100

3692
02:28:56,000 --> 02:28:58,319
is the interest they're charging you.

3693
02:28:58,319 --> 02:29:00,960
>> No, I I understand that. But the the

3694
02:29:00,960 --> 02:29:03,680
revenue you're going to generate from

3695
02:29:03,680 --> 02:29:06,479
interest, that's over and above your

3696
02:29:06,479 --> 02:29:07,520
budget. Right.

3697
02:29:07,520 --> 02:29:09,280
>> Right. But the bond resolution remember

3698
02:29:09,280 --> 02:29:11,760
does two things. It allows you to bond

3699
02:29:11,760 --> 02:29:13,920
the 10 point I get the number 162 I

3700
02:29:13,920 --> 02:29:15,439
think was the number at this point and

3701
02:29:15,439 --> 02:29:19,200
spend 162. So if you want to spend more

3702
02:29:19,200 --> 02:29:21,840
than 162 that bond that needs to be

3703
02:29:21,840 --> 02:29:23,439
changed a resolution to whatever again

3704
02:29:23,439 --> 02:29:24,880
we don't have a final number yet

3705
02:29:24,880 --> 02:29:29,600
>> right the 162 is the the the theud

3706
02:29:29,600 --> 02:29:31,359
>> so if we earn

3707
02:29:31,359 --> 02:29:32,960
>> a million dollars of bond premium the

3708
02:29:32,960 --> 02:29:37,280
million a million above the 162.

3709
02:29:37,280 --> 02:29:37,920
No.

3710
02:29:37,920 --> 02:29:38,479
>> Why?

3711
02:29:38,479 --> 02:29:40,000
>> Because you can't spend more than the

3712
02:29:40,000 --> 02:29:40,319
16.

3713
02:29:40,319 --> 02:29:42,240
>> No, no, no, no. What what what I'm

3714
02:29:42,240 --> 02:29:44,960
trying to get at is if the bond is if

3715
02:29:44,960 --> 02:29:47,040
the if the budget 162,

3716
02:29:47,040 --> 02:29:47,520
>> right,

3717
02:29:47,520 --> 02:29:51,280
>> and we build and we spend 172

3718
02:29:51,280 --> 02:29:51,760
>> Yeah.

3719
02:29:51,760 --> 02:29:53,920
>> we're a million dollars over budget.

3720
02:29:53,920 --> 02:29:54,399
>> Right.

3721
02:29:54,399 --> 02:29:58,880
So if we if we're 162 and we

3722
02:29:58,880 --> 02:30:00,479
spend

3723
02:30:00,479 --> 02:30:03,120
whatever but we have that other million

3724
02:30:03,120 --> 02:30:06,000
dollars, we're still over budget,

3725
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:07,120
>> right?

3726
02:30:07,120 --> 02:30:09,120
>> You're over budget on the expense side

3727
02:30:09,120 --> 02:30:11,920
of the house but you have cash,

3728
02:30:11,920 --> 02:30:15,040
>> right? But you budgeted. My point is you

3729
02:30:15,040 --> 02:30:16,240
budgeted a number,

3730
02:30:16,240 --> 02:30:18,800
>> right? We you know if we have whatever

3731
02:30:18,800 --> 02:30:20,319
money we have in the kitty that that

3732
02:30:20,319 --> 02:30:20,720
that's

3733
02:30:20,720 --> 02:30:22,640
>> so what happens to that million dollar

3734
02:30:22,640 --> 02:30:23,520
cash that we have

3735
02:30:23,520 --> 02:30:25,120
>> that then will be used in subsequent

3736
02:30:25,120 --> 02:30:28,160
years as other funding in capital plans

3737
02:30:28,160 --> 02:30:30,080
to move forward like we do every year we

3738
02:30:30,080 --> 02:30:32,560
close out prior capital projects. So

3739
02:30:32,560 --> 02:30:34,960
it's so it is part of the capital

3740
02:30:34,960 --> 02:30:37,120
project if we're going to close out that

3741
02:30:37,120 --> 02:30:39,120
capital project and you have a million

3742
02:30:39,120 --> 02:30:40,479
dollars and you're going to put it to a

3743
02:30:40,479 --> 02:30:41,040
different one

3744
02:30:41,040 --> 02:30:42,640
>> right when the time comes whe whether

3745
02:30:42,640 --> 02:30:44,880
it's in time for 2728 budget I don't

3746
02:30:44,880 --> 02:30:46,640
know depends on how long things get

3747
02:30:46,640 --> 02:30:47,920
wrapped up same with the high school

3748
02:30:47,920 --> 02:30:49,040
>> well the high school takes a little

3749
02:30:49,040 --> 02:30:50,160
longer because of the state

3750
02:30:50,160 --> 02:30:52,240
>> again so the same logic will apply

3751
02:30:52,240 --> 02:30:54,000
though once we have everything firm

3752
02:30:54,000 --> 02:30:56,000
wrapped up and put to bed whatever the

3753
02:30:56,000 --> 02:30:57,439
money that's left in those two capital

3754
02:30:57,439 --> 02:30:59,520
projects will be rolled forward in

3755
02:30:59,520 --> 02:31:00,800
subsequent year CI

3756
02:31:00,800 --> 02:31:02,720
>> are we are we bonded on the high school

3757
02:31:02,720 --> 02:31:03,840
project

3758
02:31:03,840 --> 02:31:04,560
>> 100%.

3759
02:31:04,560 --> 02:31:05,760
>> So we're done bonding.

3760
02:31:05,760 --> 02:31:07,760
>> We're done bonding as of last August.

3761
02:31:07,760 --> 02:31:09,840
Both the final pieces were bonded.

3762
02:31:09,840 --> 02:31:10,160
>> Okay.

3763
02:31:10,160 --> 02:31:11,680
>> So now, like I said, we're in a a good

3764
02:31:11,680 --> 02:31:16,960
position. You know, the bond premium is a revenue source for us. It stays in

3765
02:31:16,960 --> 02:31:19,359
this fund. Uh and additionally, again,

3766
02:31:19,359 --> 02:31:20,720
there was interest that was earned while

3767
02:31:20,720 --> 02:31:23,920
the money was sitting there. Um

3768
02:31:23,920 --> 02:31:25,600
>> I just that's what I don't understand.

3769
02:31:25,600 --> 02:31:27,200
>> But the money is not just sitting there.

3770
02:31:27,200 --> 02:31:28,399
You're doing something with that.

3771
02:31:28,399 --> 02:31:30,080
>> It's invested.

3772
02:31:30,080 --> 02:31:33,680
Yeah. There's 22 215,000 of interest as

3773
02:31:33,680 --> 02:31:36,640
of last June. So between the million1

3774
02:31:36,640 --> 02:31:39,359
139 and the two change of interest,

3775
02:31:39,359 --> 02:31:40,479
there's going to be a chunk of money

3776
02:31:40,479 --> 02:31:43,200
there cashwise, not expense-wise,

3777
02:31:43,200 --> 02:31:43,600
>> right?

3778
02:31:43,600 --> 02:31:45,200
>> Unless you want to modify the bond

3779
02:31:45,200 --> 02:31:47,200
resolution. And we will need to do that

3780
02:31:47,200 --> 02:31:50,000
once we get every single cost finalized.

3781
02:31:50,000 --> 02:31:53,040
Is it 164? Is it 165? Is it 166? I don't

3782
02:31:53,040 --> 02:31:54,800
know until we get all the costs in.

3783
02:31:54,800 --> 02:31:56,399
>> Right. But but if we go over the

3784
02:31:56,399 --> 02:31:58,800
budgeted number, we're over budget

3785
02:31:58,800 --> 02:32:00,960
regardless. You're right. You're right.

3786
02:32:00,960 --> 02:32:01,359
Okay.

3787
02:32:01,359 --> 02:32:03,280
>> And I think the lot the problem the the

3788
02:32:03,280 --> 02:32:05,840
biggest culprit was the fact that we

3789
02:32:05,840 --> 02:32:08,080
didn't modify the budget for the

3790
02:32:08,080 --> 02:32:09,359
additional bonding.

3791
02:32:09,359 --> 02:32:11,680
>> We had you know the the sheet that was

3792
02:32:11,680 --> 02:32:15,040
done again showed 243. The motion we did

3793
02:32:15,040 --> 02:32:16,880
was 250. Give a little cushion. Well

3794
02:32:16,880 --> 02:32:18,080
again that was predicated on the

3795
02:32:18,080 --> 02:32:20,000
interest rate back then of one and a

3796
02:32:20,000 --> 02:32:22,080
half that they he predicated it on and

3797
02:32:22,080 --> 02:32:24,080
two bands and one bond. And we ended up

3798
02:32:24,080 --> 02:32:25,920
doing four bands. the money just kept

3799
02:32:25,920 --> 02:32:28,640
getting held out there, held out there, while these construction

3800
02:32:28,640 --> 02:32:31,120
delayed and everything else. There's

3801
02:32:31,120 --> 02:32:35,359
time value of money, you know. So that's

3802
02:32:35,359 --> 02:32:36,160
where we are.

3803
02:32:36,160 --> 02:32:37,840
>> Okay.

3804
02:32:37,840 --> 02:32:40,160
All right.

3805
02:32:40,160 --> 02:32:42,000
Next item, citizen statements and

3806
02:32:42,000 --> 02:32:47,475
petitions.

3807
02:32:47,485 --> 02:32:48,640
[clears throat]

3808
02:32:48,640 --> 02:32:51,040
Potter Northford. Uh, want to thank you.

3809
02:32:51,040 --> 02:32:53,600
I believe I tried to listen as best I

3810
02:32:53,600 --> 02:32:57,520
could. You did approve tractor poles two

3811
02:32:57,520 --> 02:33:00,479
a year funded with insurance, right?

3812
02:33:00,479 --> 02:33:01,120
>> Correct.

3813
02:33:01,120 --> 02:33:03,520
>> Okay. Cuz I'm working because I was the

3814
02:33:03,520 --> 02:33:05,359
original agricultural commission

3815
02:33:05,359 --> 02:33:07,680
chairman. I'm working with the present

3816
02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:10,160
group that's trying to start. We have a

3817
02:33:10,160 --> 02:33:12,399
guy as long as he's got insurance, he

3818
02:33:12,399 --> 02:33:14,640
will pick up where our other guy who for

3819
02:33:14,640 --> 02:33:17,520
health reasons won't run it anymore.

3820
02:33:17,520 --> 02:33:19,840
This guy just wanted to make sure he's

3821
02:33:19,840 --> 02:33:22,240
safe. You know, he wanted to be insured.

3822
02:33:22,240 --> 02:33:24,560
He's a great guy. He's picking right up.

3823
02:33:24,560 --> 02:33:27,120
The polls will be successful. The

3824
02:33:27,120 --> 02:33:29,359
agricultural commission that's present

3825
02:33:29,359 --> 02:33:31,439
now will be happy with a spring and fall

3826
02:33:31,439 --> 02:33:33,920
poll. And I believe I still got to get

3827
02:33:33,920 --> 02:33:36,319
to Carrie. I still have projected dates

3828
02:33:36,319 --> 02:33:38,880
for 2027.

3829
02:33:38,880 --> 02:33:40,560
>> I mean, you could do one in October if

3830
02:33:40,560 --> 02:33:41,200
you had

3831
02:33:41,200 --> 02:33:43,439
>> Yeah, one in October and and I think I

3832
02:33:43,439 --> 02:33:45,040
got a spring date.

3833
02:33:45,040 --> 02:33:45,520
>> Okay.

3834
02:33:45,520 --> 02:33:47,520
>> And that way that's because the

3835
02:33:47,520 --> 02:33:49,520
commission's very busy. The members

3836
02:33:49,520 --> 02:33:52,000
always were. That's why as a phone guy,

3837
02:33:52,000 --> 02:33:54,319
I became the chairman, the original one.

3838
02:33:54,319 --> 02:33:57,600
So these guys, they think it can work.

3839
02:33:57,600 --> 02:34:01,680
We got the guy in position and uh we can

3840
02:34:01,680 --> 02:34:03,520
go forward.

3841
02:34:03,520 --> 02:34:07,760
One, I thank you for that. One thing

3842
02:34:07,760 --> 02:34:11,520
that bothers me sitting back here,

3843
02:34:11,520 --> 02:34:14,240
Franny's not here.

3844
02:34:14,240 --> 02:34:17,200
I still call him a subject matter

3845
02:34:17,200 --> 02:34:19,760
expert. You're losing another subject

3846
02:34:19,760 --> 02:34:23,200
matter expert. Florio's leaving the the

3847
02:34:23,200 --> 02:34:26,479
uh town. You're going to feel that hit

3848
02:34:26,479 --> 02:34:28,640
you so hard

3849
02:34:28,640 --> 02:34:32,319
because what he had here isn't on paper

3850
02:34:32,319 --> 02:34:34,800
any worse. John and John Carrick, he got

3851
02:34:34,800 --> 02:34:36,160
up every morning. Remember he was

3852
02:34:36,160 --> 02:34:37,680
running around starting a school air

3853
02:34:37,680 --> 02:34:38,080
condition.

3854
02:34:38,080 --> 02:34:40,080
>> That's really the board of ed, not us.

3855
02:34:40,080 --> 02:34:41,120
>> Okay. [laughter]

3856
02:34:41,120 --> 02:34:42,720
Um,

3857
02:34:42,720 --> 02:34:45,520
when Franny asks for something, he's

3858
02:34:45,520 --> 02:34:48,880
done hours and hours and hours and hours

3859
02:34:48,880 --> 02:34:51,680
of research. When his guys, And now

3860
02:34:51,680 --> 02:34:55,040
Danny, when they're out plowing at 4:00

3861
02:34:55,040 --> 02:34:57,439
in the morning in a blizzard,

3862
02:34:57,439 --> 02:34:59,760
is that bargain basement truck you

3863
02:34:59,760 --> 02:35:02,240
bought going to break down? Are you

3864
02:35:02,240 --> 02:35:04,319
going to come out and help him get it

3865
02:35:04,319 --> 02:35:06,720
back to the garage? Are you going to run

3866
02:35:06,720 --> 02:35:09,280
for parts made by a different vendor to

3867
02:35:09,280 --> 02:35:12,800
fix that truck? Franny has established

3868
02:35:12,800 --> 02:35:14,720
what works.

3869
02:35:14,720 --> 02:35:17,280
I know you're looking at the budget, but

3870
02:35:17,280 --> 02:35:18,960
at the same time, look at the

3871
02:35:18,960 --> 02:35:21,520
experience. Look at the history. North

3872
02:35:21,520 --> 02:35:24,640
Brford's town roads are known and all of

3873
02:35:24,640 --> 02:35:26,319
them have got such big crowns. I don't

3874
02:35:26,319 --> 02:35:28,319
know how they don't fall off the off the

3875
02:35:28,319 --> 02:35:31,600
center of the roads. are and I live on a

3876
02:35:31,600 --> 02:35:33,280
state road so I don't get to enjoy this

3877
02:35:33,280 --> 02:35:35,760
as much as you guys on town roads. But

3878
02:35:35,760 --> 02:35:36,640
again, [clears throat]

3879
02:35:36,640 --> 02:35:39,680
they've established what works. Don't

3880
02:35:39,680 --> 02:35:43,280
mess with it. Find it. When you can get

3881
02:35:43,280 --> 02:35:45,840
30 plus years out of a truck and a plow

3882
02:35:45,840 --> 02:35:48,880
and nobody gets hurt and the roads are

3883
02:35:48,880 --> 02:35:52,720
plowed, I call that success.

3884
02:35:52,720 --> 02:35:55,359
Wiggling into that and trying to nickel

3885
02:35:55,359 --> 02:35:58,240
and dime it, I think you take away that

3886
02:35:58,240 --> 02:36:00,240
success. And you also take away his

3887
02:36:00,240 --> 02:36:03,200
integrity. Franny is known industrywide

3888
02:36:03,200 --> 02:36:06,080
for what he does and what he doesn't do.

3889
02:36:06,080 --> 02:36:08,800
He's established that there's a rapport.

3890
02:36:08,800 --> 02:36:10,800
When somebody answers the phone and

3891
02:36:10,800 --> 02:36:13,120
Fran's on the other end, they know he he

3892
02:36:13,120 --> 02:36:16,080
knows what he's talking about. So again,

3893
02:36:16,080 --> 02:36:18,080
I understand that you're worried about

3894
02:36:18,080 --> 02:36:19,840
the money, but at the same time, in the

3895
02:36:19,840 --> 02:36:21,520
middle of the night when these guys got

3896
02:36:21,520 --> 02:36:23,120
support, they've got it because they

3897
02:36:23,120 --> 02:36:24,960
bought a particular brand of truck

3898
02:36:24,960 --> 02:36:27,280
that's interchangeable. And I mean

3899
02:36:27,280 --> 02:36:29,280
again, we got good employees. When

3900
02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:30,960
Franny retires, there's going to be

3901
02:36:30,960 --> 02:36:32,720
another contact that's going to be hard

3902
02:36:32,720 --> 02:36:34,720
to replace. And that that's not the

3903
02:36:34,720 --> 02:36:36,960
board of ed headache. It's going to be

3904
02:36:36,960 --> 02:36:38,880
all Everybody in town's going to feel

3905
02:36:38,880 --> 02:36:41,359
it. There's I mean, and again, we're

3906
02:36:41,359 --> 02:36:43,200
lucky we've got such great employees

3907
02:36:43,200 --> 02:36:45,680
that stick with the town. I would, like

3908
02:36:45,680 --> 02:36:46,800
I keep telling you, I won't live

3909
02:36:46,800 --> 02:36:50,399
anywhere else because we've got skin in

3910
02:36:50,399 --> 02:36:52,000
the game. Everybody's got skin in the

3911
02:36:52,000 --> 02:36:55,680
game. We're proud to live in this town

3912
02:36:55,680 --> 02:36:58,240
because you guys do a good job and gals

3913
02:36:58,240 --> 02:37:02,319
got to be careful. Um, and we somehow

3914
02:37:02,319 --> 02:37:05,120
always land on our feet and at the end

3915
02:37:05,120 --> 02:37:06,640
of the year we still all like each

3916
02:37:06,640 --> 02:37:08,880
other. I'll leave it like that.

3917
02:37:08,880 --> 02:37:10,800
>> All right. Thank you.

3918
02:37:10,800 --> 02:37:12,640
>> Now I know my mailbox is in the middle

3919
02:37:12,640 --> 02:37:14,160
of my lawn where it go now.

3920
02:37:14,160 --> 02:37:15,840
>> Okay.

3921
02:37:15,840 --> 02:37:17,920
Well, you never find

3922
02:37:17,920 --> 02:37:20,800
>> that knows if my mailbox is in the

3923
02:37:20,800 --> 02:37:22,720
middle of

3924
02:37:22,720 --> 02:37:26,080
Hi, Chuck Lurkins, Clear Lake. I just

3925
02:37:26,080 --> 02:37:28,960
want to give you some information.

3926
02:37:28,960 --> 02:37:31,680
Uh, Councilman Rose, you asked who owns

3927
02:37:31,680 --> 02:37:34,720
the bottom of Cedar Lake. I live on

3928
02:37:34,720 --> 02:37:37,439
Clear Lake 51 years. I can tell you the

3929
02:37:37,439 --> 02:37:40,000
state owns the bottom of Clear Lake. I

3930
02:37:40,000 --> 02:37:42,640
suspect Cedar Lake is the same. The

3931
02:37:42,640 --> 02:37:44,880
deeds are on Clear Lake are you own to

3932
02:37:44,880 --> 02:37:46,800
the high water mark of the lake and

3933
02:37:46,800 --> 02:37:48,560
that's it. The bottom of the lake

3934
02:37:48,560 --> 02:37:50,720
belongs to the state. The water belongs

3935
02:37:50,720 --> 02:37:52,319
to the state.

3936
02:37:52,319 --> 02:37:54,880
So that that's what I know about the

3937
02:37:54,880 --> 02:37:57,840
water and and and I suspect Cedar

3938
02:37:57,840 --> 02:37:59,439
Lindley I thought I think they're all

3939
02:37:59,439 --> 02:37:59,920
going to be the same.

3940
02:37:59,920 --> 02:38:02,319
>> I think Anthony had found on the deed

3941
02:38:02,319 --> 02:38:03,520
who owns the

3942
02:38:03,520 --> 02:38:05,680
>> Yeah. The lake itself actually is is

3943
02:38:05,680 --> 02:38:08,000
just a null. There's no card for it.

3944
02:38:08,000 --> 02:38:10,640
>> Right.

3945
02:38:10,640 --> 02:38:12,560
>> Real estate agents that sell houses

3946
02:38:12,560 --> 02:38:15,680
around at least Clear Lake, they'll tell

3947
02:38:15,680 --> 02:38:18,080
you, "Oh, buy this house, you get deeded

3948
02:38:18,080 --> 02:38:20,884
lake rights." No, you don't. That's

3949
02:38:20,884 --> 02:38:23,920
[laughter] how they're not in it. You

3950
02:38:23,920 --> 02:38:26,399
don't get deed like rice at all. So,

3951
02:38:26,399 --> 02:38:29,520
it's a lot of uh rumors are out there

3952
02:38:29,520 --> 02:38:33,600
and just crazy statements, but I was

3953
02:38:33,600 --> 02:38:35,840
deep involved with the Clear Lake

3954
02:38:35,840 --> 02:38:38,240
Association and I can tell you that's

3955
02:38:38,240 --> 02:38:41,200
what I found is the state owns it.

3956
02:38:41,200 --> 02:38:41,760
>> Thanks.

3957
02:38:41,760 --> 02:38:42,160
>> All right.

3958
02:38:42,160 --> 02:38:42,960
>> Okay. Thank you.

3959
02:38:42,960 --> 02:38:43,680
>> Have a good night.

3960
02:38:43,680 --> 02:38:45,439
>> You too.

3961
02:38:45,439 --> 02:38:49,110
Any

3962
02:38:49,120 --> 02:38:52,880
other citizen statements?

3963
02:38:52,880 --> 02:38:56,000
Okay, we're ready to go into executive

3964
02:38:56,000 --> 02:38:56,640
session.

3965
02:38:56,640 --> 02:38:59,120
>> I'm going to uh ask, Madame Mayor, that

3966
02:38:59,120 --> 02:39:01,920
I move we enter executive session as set

3967
02:39:01,920 --> 02:39:03,920
forth in Connecticut General Statute

3968
02:39:03,920 --> 02:39:08,000
section 1-200 in bracket 6 to discuss

3969
02:39:08,000 --> 02:39:09,280
the appointment and employment of the

3970
02:39:09,280 --> 02:39:11,600
town manager to include the acting town

3971
02:39:11,600 --> 02:39:13,359
manager, the newly appointed town

3972
02:39:13,359 --> 02:39:18,309
manager, and the town attorney. Yes.

3973
02:39:18,319 --> 02:39:19,520
» Do you want do you want the newly

3974
02:39:19,520 --> 02:39:21,040
appointed town manager for this?

3975
02:39:21,040 --> 02:39:23,040
>> Yes.

3976
02:39:23,040 --> 02:39:25,040
>> Scott, do you want to run?

3977
02:39:25,040 --> 02:39:28,399
>> I'm good. [laughter]

3978
02:39:28,399 --> 02:39:30,560
>> Can we

3979
02:39:30,560 --> 02:39:32,479
call

3980
02:39:32,479 --> 02:39:36,520
it laughing?