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Copy. Yeah, that'd be great. Thanks.

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Thank you, charity. Good morning, everybody. I'm going to call the Board of Ethics meeting for Monday, February 3rd to order at 9.03.

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And ask for a motion to adopt the agenda. I'll move. Move to. Any agenda.

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Can I have a second?

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Second.

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On the agenda, Brett?

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Yes.

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Ed?

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Yes.

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Obviously, we're getting one out.

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But for my memory,

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at the last meeting, I asked that on the agenda it would be the issue of the

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open at members and their duties or responsibilities.

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We didn't have time to address them at the

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last meeting. I asked the people at this meeting, and I don't see it.

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I asked the people at

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them.

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Any other comments on the agenda?

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Yes.

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Yes, I would like to alter the order of the agenda so that we complete what we did not complete last time, which is the selection of officers.

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And I also think that it would be appropriate to deal with the alternate proposal.

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made before we deal with the amendments. And I'm assuming, finally, that the amendments

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discussion will include profits.

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My own view is that I think we should continue to complete the issues that we've been dealing

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with for many months and get this over the line. And then we should follow the – and

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And accordingly, I think we should just follow the agenda as is because I think the other items are.

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I just feel like there are distractions at this point from actually getting the proposals that we have in front of us that are very close to having one.

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I totally agree that we should address both issues during this meeting. I just think we should go in the order that we have here.

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assume no one has a timeline when they have to leave.

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That's why I asked about 11, sometime around 11.

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So if you guys are going to hold this all off the chair for more than two hours.

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In that case, my point is moved.

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in the interest of time, I had left the duties of alternates off the new agenda item,

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But we can certainly add that because it doesn't look like, it looks like we'll be able to get to that.

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I would recommend that it, you know, we finish our old business before we add a new business to it.

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So we can put it in as an item of new business. How's that?

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I don't believe it's new business. I believe it's old business.

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Well, certainly relative to the prep of the recommended code amendments, which we've been dealing with for 14 months.

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Well, we've been dealing with open it's for 10 years.

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We have never put this in a meeting and I think it's time that we adjust that.

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All right.

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So, with the one of ruling on that, if you don't mind a ruling on.

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I'm asking that that item be moved forward on the agenda.

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I would suggest that it go on your new business item B.

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I believe that if we take a vote on anything prior to considering the alternate situation,

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and the vote comes up high that we need to have a break in whatever that item is and deal

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with the alternate situation.

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Otherwise, until we come to a vote, which is 2-2, if we don't have a vote before we

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deal with the item that Mr. Lieberman suggests, then it is easy to put it off to new business.

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If, however, we have to vote on something and have a two-to-two vote, then that item should be

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delayed until we deal with Mr. Lieberman's ultimate suggestion.

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But we have five people here.

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If we end up with a 2 to 2 vote is all I said, suppose someone is disqualified, I don't expect it to happen. I'm simply saying that it is not an issue unless we have a 2 to 2 vote as to whether we do it to this minute or 2 hours from now.

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Yeah, my view is that there's quite a bit of discussion that we should have about that particular topic, which I think is an interesting topic.

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And one that I had not previously really even thought of until Ed sent his email last week.

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So I've had a little bit of time to think about it, but I do think that we should.

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But we can take it up. I think we take it up under item five on the agenda. Make sure that we cover it today.

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If we need to flip the order of A and B for some reason, then obviously we can do that. But I suggest that we conclude, put it under new business and address it today.

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And I'm not disagreeing with that unless we come to a two to two vote case.

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In which case I think, you know, we have the flexibility to reconsider that.

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Okay, so with the amendment of the agenda adding item 5B, duties of all trance, we've

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got a motion on the floor all in favor of the motion to approve the agenda as amended.

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me just check on the computer to see if there aren't any anybody in the waiting room.

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So, on comments from the public, seeing no members of the public here or in the waiting room,

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that brings us to old business rep for the recommended code amendments.

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Our responsibility here is to account for and

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sort out our amendments or adjustments of the recommended

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coad amendments taking into account the work session and the comments of the town board.

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That's the focus. So I'm going to try and keep us

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focused on that agenda to deal with the comments of the board on our work session. In other words,

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I don't want to get into new recommendations for proposal to amend the code.

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That will happen at 5B.

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And we can talk about other amendments to the code for when we get to topics for future

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But I want to stick to our task of adjusting our recommendations, which we've been back

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and forth and back and forth and back and forth. We got a final recommendations. They went to the

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board. The board had comments. We can adjust our recommendations based on those comments,

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but I don't want to get back into a discussion of whether or not we should change something

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unless it was per the discussion at the work session. Is that fair? Anybody have any objection

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to that? Okay, so with that, let's go through the Board of Ethics Code Revision

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Recommendations. The document is dated 10-29-20. I'm sorry, check that. 11-6-24.

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And we'll start with the first, which is eligibility for appointments to the

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And let me just for our viewing public, assuming there are some, to

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summarize it and to go

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from there. It's basically that no member of the town board

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department had her consultant to the board, including without limitation of

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county attorney may hold an office of voting or leadership

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position in a political party or committee within the town as

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those terms are defined under state law.

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Anybody have any comments about that, Sue?

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I believe what we're doing is consistent with proper practice

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And it is consistent with the requirement on your State Law, Part 932.4, of the state regulations.

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The policy makers, heads of state agencies, and statewide elected officials are prohibited from engaging in certain outside political initiatives.

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specifically serving as a member officer, director, board member, or district leader of any party committee.

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And if that's the law for people working for the state of New York, I do not see why we should have a more lenient rule.

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specificity title 19 NYC RR part 932.93 2.4 and I can quote the whole thing but

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unless Sue can I shortcut this because I think I have a short the only comment

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or objection that the town board had was a supervisor suggesting that it was

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unconstitutional correct this has been upheld I don't see no no no the

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I'll give you the constitution.

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No, no, no. I don't want the constitution.

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I want to focus on the only comment that the town board had on this in terms of an objection, I believe, was the supervisor saying that it was unconstitutional.

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May I?

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Right. Were there other objections or comments that the town board had?

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If you'd like me to address the constitution.

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No, I don't. I want to know if there are any other, okay.

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I'm trying to say that there's precedent and it's constitutional.

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All right, and I'm going to say that I met with the supervisor who retracted his objection.

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Apparently, there was a lot of back and forth between you and the supervisor on this topic,

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And he was in clarifying whether or not he was going to attend today's meeting.

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I asked him about, you know, who was going to get a legal opinion for the constitutional

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question, and he withdrew it.

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So I think that this section, without that objection, there were no other comments

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or concerns raised by the town board. So I would think we can move forward on this.

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I don't want to lengthen this unnecessarily, but just for the record, my discussion on the

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constitutionality with Mr. Noam. Okay. Right, but I think the point is, is that I think we have

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already determined as this board through our consensus, we think this is worth putting

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in front of the town board in an official capacity and if three of the five members of the town

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board think this is good it will go into law if three of the five members do not think that this

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is should be in the law that

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It will not, but I think our business is done with this particular provision. Is there an agreement there? So beautiful.

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And with one note, any comments that we have or the amendments to what we presented to the board that don't take into account the board's comments are things that we need to do at the public hearing.

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because we need to get this before the board and start a public hearing.

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And I'll give a four example.

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It has been brought to my attention that the way the language is crafted in this is a little

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and artful. In other words, it arguably would present, you know, sense you can't vote in a

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political party in the town, meaning you go and on November or whatever and you pull a lever

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or you allow the circle. What we intend is that you can't hold a position as a party officer

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And that term party officer is also defined under New York State election law.

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So I would be in favor of taking this up at our next meeting where we prep for the public hearing and discuss this among our board so that we are amenable to, you know,

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When we shepherd this through the town board, we say, you know, that that sounds like a good fix to the concern because there will be people at the public hearing, you know, raising these issues, I'd expect.

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Can you amplify how the clause could possibly be interpreted the way that you suggest?

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No member may hold an office, vote,

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voting, or leadership position in a political party.

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we really mean is in a political committee as the terms and also it should I believe it should say may be a party officer or hold a leadership position and that's better language because party officers will find in state law.

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And so, you know, that's, we don't need to belabor this now because it really is for next meeting, but it is a fix to this apparent confusion or overbred of this.

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And it doesn't change the substance, it just clarifies exactly what, you know, we intend is that they can't be a party officer or be in the leadership position.

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Do you want to circulate your suggestions?

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Yeah, you know, in advance of the next meeting, sure.

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So that moves us to 27-6, which is the disclosure of interest in legislation and other matters.

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And that is the material

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change there was the prohibition on voting.

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But I'll try and summarize it for the benefit of anybody watching.

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no member of the town board or appointed member of a town board or committee who is a candidate

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for election to the town board and shall participate or vote on any matter which materially and

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directly benefits a political supporter who contributed more than $500 in the aggregate

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to that board member or candidate's election campaign.

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This was the subject of the Karthi letter, so it would be appropriate for us to deal with the Karthi letter here, but maybe at our next meeting, if we're going to recommend changes to this.

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But I don't think that there were material objections that came from the town board on this.

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In fact, it was, I think, fairly well received.

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The Karthi letter points out an issue that I frankly think should be dealt with in a public hearing and not by this board.

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So, if anybody, I'll open the floor for comments.

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Certainly the Karthi letter I would expect to be dealt with at a public hearing.

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would like to express my view of Karthi's view.

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but isn't that for our next meeting if we're talking about what we're going to

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do in public hearing? Okay. And that is that what Parthi is advocating would it

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seem to me to be contrary to the general policy of disclosure of political

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So it encompasses or suggests a general objection to current public policy, because leave them with war.

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My own view, I think I agree, I guess I agree with both of you to some degree or maybe to a lot of degrees, but in reading the letter, my initial reaction was, is there's anything in here that suggests there's some, and I'll use these words but not legally sue, but more like a miscarriage of justice, right?

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Did we do something basically on accident in our drafting that would be embarrassing for us to go in front of the town board such that we should revise that now based on the comments that you all had during the work session?

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I thought Mr. Carthy's letter was sort of expressing an alternative view to where this body reached with respect to this recommended provision.

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And so my own view is that, as I think you said and I think as you said, which is, I think he raises legitimate concerns that he should advocate to the town board when the town board has this in front of them as opposed to advocate to us at this stage of the process.

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And whether the town board agrees with him or with these changes, that is all part of the public debate.

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So I would think it's good to have we can get back to Mr. Carti, I think, and say thank you for your letter.

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You know, advise him that, you know, at some point that there'll be a public hearing on these recommendations and we welcome him to, you know, share these views with the members of the town board who will be ultimately deciding on whether or not to codify these recommendations.

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I don't think he addressed that to us or copy us.

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I think that came from the town clerk.

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So he sent it to Allison.

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So the letter wasn't even to the Board of Ethics.

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I think that I didn't even pick up on that after Brett had sent it.

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So yeah, so in that case, I don't think that there needs to be a response from this body to him since he has not engaged this body.

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And that's fine. Like he's basically preemptively raised some issues on an issue that hasn't even reached the town board in official capacity, but maybe you're not ready for be ready for that's great.

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And again, I don't see any gross miscarriage of justice in the current drafting of the recommendation, whether or not it's approved or not.

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Time will tell. Looks like Zay has a comment.

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Thanks.

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I'm not out of any one way or the other, but I think at the town board meeting, the concern was raised about whether this provision, about not voting, the delay would take effect only after the next election cycle.

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So if you're discussing concerns raised by the town board, that might be one you want to at least think about.

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Thank you for raising that because that's 100% correct. In terms of the substance of this, there were, I don't believe there were any objections, but there was a consensus that it would not take effect until the end of the current election cycle.

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I don't think we have any intentions either in that correct.

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Yeah, it would when these are drafted and sent to the town board they have to be sent both in a black line form and in complete form and the language in that and both of those has to say this provision this particular provision would not take effect until

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x-state whereas everything else takes effect as soon as the town board passes

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it and it goes to the state and is accepted by the state.

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Thanks for that

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point. Okay that

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brings us to number three. 27 point dash 6e failure to file

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campaign finance disclosure statements shall constitute a violation of this

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co-advantics. I don't have any notes indicating that the town board had any

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objection or comments with this. If anybody else has a different recollections,

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okay. So that moves us to number four new section 27-6f and that is to

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obligate anybody who makes an application. I'm sorry, I'm just going back on section three. I assume that what we mean there, it's failure to file campaign finance disclosure statements within the legally required timeline.

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I guess I'm asking from a, when does it become a violation of the ethics code?

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Yeah, it becomes a violation of state law if you don't make the state deadlines, right?

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So that would be in the case of somebody running for office, you're obligated to file three times a year.

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And it's typically a month before, a week before, and a month after the election, something along those lines.

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And that would be a violation of state law, but if they filed later, that we're not saying a violation of state law is a violation of the code because we're not interpreting state law.

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We're saying if you don't file, but your question is if you don't file when?

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I'm asking when, when has someone violated the ethics code based on this provision?

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And by the way, like I apologize, I don't want to drag us down. I had a lot of thoughts on this and I'll raise a lot of issues when we raise this back in the day. It's just, again, putting the lawyer hat on a little bit here, which I don't do so much anymore.

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I'm like, well, when, like when is this triggered?

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I think we should hold that conversation for our next meeting when we will discuss how we're going to react to recommendations for amendments to this, or should we point it out to the town board?

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or if we have clarifying language that we would like to add to this, it would be in the context of a public hearing.

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We could make a fairly simplistic change we can consider at our next meeting,

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which is failure to wild campaign finance disclosure statements as required or within the time period required.

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I'm not asking to discuss it right now.

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By state or shall constitute.

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Yeah.

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You may recall, David, that I had originally proposed

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language that said failure to file

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after being notified by the Board of Ethics.

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Failure to file within 30 days of being notified

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by the Board of Ethics.

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That would constitute a violation of code

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And that didn't, do you wanna discuss that now or later?

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No, I think we should discuss it later

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because we presented that we gotta move this.

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To the town board and, you know, move it to the public hearing phase. And I think that it's really important to air all this stuff at a, at a public hearing.

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And, you know, and we can be prepared with simplistic language at our next meeting.

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Yeah, I just wasn't sure whether there was, we wanted to clarify it now, but if we want to do the next meeting, that's fine as well.

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Yeah, I don't want to slow us down. Right. Because somebody who fails to file for years gets wind that the ethics board is looking at it in files.

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Before we do anything. I mean I guess does this have the ethics board in the

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position of basically monitoring those deadlines for each elected official and

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candidate and the day after if the ethics board who's monitoring this doesn't

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see anything does it go and slap the candidate or town board member or

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elected official with a notice of violation of the ethics code.

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Penny?

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Yeah.

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My thoughts are, you know, we should really fight right now because the real problem is

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that someone might come back and say, we're playing favorites here, and we said, this

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person did this, but we never looked at this person, so I would have fun, pass rules

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on you, see if it flies when you send it over to the board, and that's it.

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I mean, I think your last language was, you know,

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as you put in like a 30-day period on a certain time period,

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makes a lot of sense to me, and then you have a lot better.

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No one could criticize later and say, you played a favorite.

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In either event, the town board is

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going to react to what we send to them

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during the public hearing portion.

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So I don't know if any changes we make

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from the time we have the work session to the time

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that we submit for public hearing is playing, will be viewed as gamesmanship with the Town

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Board, especially if we're trying to give them something that's even more baked and requires

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less back and forth with them as board.

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We got some leeway to add language to this through our liaison to the town board who was tasked with just working with the Board of Ethics to effectuate the intention of the town board as expressed in the work session.

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So we can fiddle with language, but it has to be true and faithful to what occurred during the work session.

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And I don't see any problem with having a more fulsome discussion at the public hearing on this.

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I'm fine with that. I mean, as long as we come in with a recommendation when that issue is raised

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and we say yes we've thought about that since then and here would be how we would revise that

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and the town attorney and everyone else would jot it down and probably say that sounds good.

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Suppose it's not raised, I mean what do I want to move to this one?

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And you may actually just vote us pretty quick.

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Oh Penny I think.

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No one wants to hear and maybe no one would hear you.

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Oh okay oh I'm just saying suppose it's not raised.

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Thank you. My concern is if it's not raised, and this language for names, I am concerned

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And I think the way to skin this cat, I may use that phrase, is to address it at our next

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meeting in prep for the public hearing.

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So can we move to number four?

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Sure.

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So any

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person who makes application to the town shall disclose as part of the application

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or submission campaign contributions totaling more than 500 in the aggregate made to any

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town board member or candidate to the town board.

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And also the name of any municipal officer or employee who they believe has an interest

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and the submission for the application and the paragraph 2 there says for

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purposes of this section that duty officer or employee shall be deemed to

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have an interest in A, B, C, D, ERF and A through D is currently a part of the

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definition of interest in our code and it adds

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ERF on this section is actually part of our recommendation number six

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to add two more subparts of the definition of interest to make it

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consistent with this new 27-6. So we can actually

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deal with our number four and our number six and one fell swoop because I don't think there was any objection to any of this.

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There was a question as to how this would be effectuated and the answer there is, you know, you do a little form that becomes part of the

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application questions that become part of every application, which is, you know, list

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any town board member or candidate to the town board to whom the applicant has made

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one or more campaign contributions totaling more than $500, et cetera, et cetera.

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So I don't – in summary, I don't think there were any material concerns raised

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used by this. There were a lot of questions, but ultimately no material concerns.

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Anybody have a different recollection? Okay.

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Your concern was expressed by Carthy, not by the challenge.

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Right. I think I agree. This would be part of what Mr. Carthy had concerns with.

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Right.

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But again, there'll be a proper forum for that to be raised.

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And also another topic that people can think about in advance of our next meeting is that

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some may be confused by what is an application.

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I mean, do you apply for a dog lessons, you know?

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And it really, in my mind, you know, but I have a background to administrative law.

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Applications are, you know, where you're seeking approval that requires discretion.

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But what we can do here without creating a whole new definition of the term application,

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which just makes things more cumbersome, we can say any person who makes an application

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concerning real property, you know, to the town.

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And that's really what we're getting at,

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the land use committees and the power of the town board

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to make decisions concerning property that involves real estate

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is what we're getting at and what we're concerned about in all of them.

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So that's something that we can pick up at the next meeting.

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So that brings us to our number five, 27-10, private employment conflict with official duties.

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That title doesn't really do this section much justice because it doesn't really affect private employment,

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but it fits there within our code as new 27-10-C.

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And that is that basically members of a committee or board that participates in the process

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of regulating land use, which includes the Town Board, the Planning Board, the ZBA, the

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ARB Conservation Board, Open Space, and the Board of Assessment Review are prohibited

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from appearing on behalf of the third party before any board or committee of the Town

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of North Castle. And I think the comment was, what do you mean, appearing on behalf of what

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if you just are making a comment as, you know, you can as a resident. And I think the better

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language is are prohibited from representing a third party before any

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board or committee and that seemed to assuage all of the comments and concerns

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of the town board so I would recommend that when we send this back for

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acceptance by the town board to schedule a public hearing that that

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language be amended. Any other comments or questions about that?

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So and I think

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we've taken care of number six by adding little four and little five, little

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Roman four, little Roman five to that.

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So I think that's our marching orders for

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for getting this to the town board to accept it in order to schedule a public hearing and

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if we schedule and that's the next step to put it in the form of a public law and do

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the black line of that as well.

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I would think though that and

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want to be presented to the town board for acceptance

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that we'll just flag those couple of little changes

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that we've made subsequent to the work sessions.

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So we don't do two black lines,

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a black line of what we sent them versus, you know,

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our amendments that we're gonna make now

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based on their comments.

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And a second black line,

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which is everything against the current law,

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The everything against the current law will be required and, you know, we just flag the couple of minor things that we did to take into account their comments.

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And you're proposing another meeting for that.

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No.

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No, I think it's ready to be prepared and sent to the town board for acceptance with a putting it in the form of a public law which is necessary.

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and then black aligning it against the original code.

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I must have misunderstood.

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I thought we were referring to the next meeting in terms of refining things a few months ago.

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Right, but this is going to be presented,

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a sent to the town board for acceptance.

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And then they will schedule a public hearing.

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And when they schedule a public hearing, we'll have an opportunity to meet in advance in the public hearing to talk about things like what do we do for a timing of the failure to file.

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Okay, so you envisioned another meeting of this word before the public hearing.

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Correct.

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To deal with some of, for example, language you just suggested.

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But after the.

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After the meeting is, after the hearing is noted.

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Right.

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And after, after these recommended revisions are extended.

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And that brings us to new business annual election of the chair and secretary.

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We don't need a vote on moving forward with submitting all the proposed change.

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No.

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Are there any motions.

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regarding new business A, annual election of chair and secretary. Can I have a motion

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for chair? I nominate Sue by seconds.

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All right. There's a motion on the floor. Any

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comments? Sue, I want to ask if you would accept this. I would accept if the board

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Okay. So it's not a move. It's not a move issue. Any comments? Here's my one comment. I'm super supportive of Sue taking over as chair.

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I think that's a really cool thing, I think, about this board that, you know, we've, you know,

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allowed for a rotation of the chair. I think going back before we reconstituted the code,

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there was a gentleman who was chair for a significant amount of time, which was fine. I don't think

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that was necessarily bad. I just think that sign of the times, this shows progress. And

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and I like the fact that a number of us here

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have had the opportunity to be the chair

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and I think that's very healthy

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in terms of how we interact.

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I will ask for one thing though,

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as I kind of think about Sue taking over as chair

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at this very moment in time based on the prior discussion

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and the work that we've been doing largely under Brett's

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chair ship for the past year plus

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on these specific changes.

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And I do think, given how close Brett is to these issues, now we all are of course participants in that, I do think that it will make sense for Brett to still be the driving force of getting these code changes over the line, given how close we are to that.

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And then obviously Sue is the chair coming in setting the agenda for sort of our future items, new business, etc. But I do think it will make some sense for Brett to continue to be in the lead.

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Not as chair, of course, assuming that we all vote for you, but more as sort of sort

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of artifact ahead of getting these changes, these amended changes over the line.

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I certainly think that it would be appropriate for Brett to present these changes

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at the public hearing. Great. That's what I think as well, which makes a lot of sense.

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But then of course, as we have in the past at public hearings, you know, when any number of us are the best, best position to address issues that the town is raising, I think we've all shown good collaboration at various public hearings in front of the town board, you know, where we'll typically have a lead who presents an item.

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I've been in that seat before of course and then you know very happy to defer to others who you know

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our best position to address comments and feedback since we're all not in each other's mind when

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those discussions take place. I completely agree with you and I hope you will, assuming I'm chosen,

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I hope you will be willing to present the position to the town board with respect to this

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board's belief in the appropriateness of the various amendments?

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I would, and I appreciate that recognition of, you know, I see it as a recognition of

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the work that I put into this, which is.

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You put a lot in.

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Yeah.

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More than I care.

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More than I care to the site.

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I was telling somebody the other day that over the past couple of years I have put in

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more time to this committee than virtually any of the other volunteer roles that I've

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had in this town, which go back well over 20 years, and that includes 12 years on

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the school board, and that includes running the soccer program, which had 150 adult volunteers

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and 950 kids at its peak. This is worse. Oh, no, no, this is more time consuming.

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That's a better word. Don't worry. I didn't capture that in the end.

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Thank you. I withdraw that last comment. This is more time consuming.

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And all due respect to your other roles, which were important and are important.

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I think my perspective on the world, and on this, is that ethics is the most important.

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And therefore the time that we put in on it is most appropriate.

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Thank you for the work.

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And I just strongly believe as I'm not going to expand on the public right now, I strongly

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believe as I've said in passing to a number of you that we must do our utmost to ensure

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of ethics and development. And we start here in North Casa. And when we drafted the ethics

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code, most channels had at most a very skeleton ethics code. We began the move to have a thorough

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ethics code. And as I've also said to others, my aim when I left the bench was for this

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town to leave the way and to have a strong ethics code. So thank you for all you've done

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and may we all continue to strive for a better code and ethics endowment.

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And Sue, I just want to clarify that, you know, carrying this over the line and representing this before at the public hearing, you know, should be the one focus that I have.

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And I want to do that until there's a final vote on whatever comes through making. Okay. So with that, I want to say two things.

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I 100% agree with you on the importance of ethics and which is why I was willing to devote all of the time that I did devote to get us through last year's code amendments.

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and now this year's Code of Amendments.

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And I think that collectively,

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it will put this town in such a better place.

422
00:51:29,460 --> 00:51:31,100
And I know you agree with that.

423
00:51:31,420 --> 00:51:39,000
And I'm so heartened by the acceptance by the town board

424
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:44,900
of a continued emphasis on a healthy ethics function.

425
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:49,620
and think about all the education that we've been able to do

426
00:51:49,620 --> 00:51:52,500
and awareness that we've been able to promote.

427
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:58,860
And that's only good for every single elected person,

428
00:51:59,100 --> 00:52:01,860
every single employee and volunteer in this town

429
00:52:01,860 --> 00:52:03,860
and every member of the community.

430
00:52:04,220 --> 00:52:07,160
So I agree with you on that.

431
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:16,080
So and I appreciate the work that you and David and a number of the other members of the community

432
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:23,960
undertook in what was it, close to five years before the code was read?

433
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:32,960
Look at that. I left the bench in January 1, 2004. I think that we actually started the

434
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,140
House force in roughly 2013.

435
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,000
But there was work done before that.

436
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,080
Yeah, work done before that.

437
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,120
But that sounds about right.

438
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,200
Yeah, I called our old co back of the napkin

439
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,260
because it was the minimally required by state law

440
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:51,380
and I got scolded by that at one point for doing that.

441
00:52:51,580 --> 00:52:54,500
But that is my view.

442
00:52:54,700 --> 00:52:59,480
And I will say also my work on the county board of ethics

443
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,520
has been similarly inspiring

444
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:08,560
and it was only with leaders under the leadership of George Latimer was the

445
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:14,340
county willing to do the very same thing. They reconstituted the Board of Ethics

446
00:53:14,340 --> 00:53:21,720
and we took a six-page code and we made it you know what is it 40 Selma pages

447
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:28,680
but we made it detailed and thorough and educational and the education

448
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:36,940
component is happening at the county level like never before. The enforcement is happening like

449
00:53:36,940 --> 00:53:44,960
never before. And that's really motivated me. And I've learned a lot there that I've brought

450
00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:51,600
into play here at the town. And you continue to serve there. And continue to serve there. Continue

451
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:57,280
to tell us what you learned from them. Yeah. Yeah. And it's been very helpful. And I do know

452
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:05,240
from all of that work, the statement that you made about our town taking the lead on

453
00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:15,780
developing a really meaningful code has been duplicated by other towns.

454
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:23,100
They've seen what we've done and used our work as an example in many cases.

455
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:34,400
And so we should all feel good about, you know, the ripple effect that all of our work is done, but it couldn't have been done without the support of our town board.

456
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:49,140
So that's another statement that I'll probably make, you know, when we present this and during public hearings, we need an amendment of a motion for the secretary.

457
00:54:49,140 --> 00:54:53,100
Well, we have a vote on you as a chair before we head to that.

458
00:54:53,340 --> 00:54:55,380
There's a motion on the table that he's voting on.

459
00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:16,880
Any other comments on the motion that we have before us to elect Sue as our next chair with the proviso that I will work to present the recommended revisions through to conclusion at the town board level.

460
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:26,760
comment and right I want to thank you sincerely I don't want to be repetitive

461
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:34,760
everything that's been said but the amount of effort and time dedication put

462
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:45,940
in it's phenomenal I appreciate it I don't want to diminish David's work as

463
00:55:45,940 --> 00:55:53,340
Thanks, Chair, but most of you gentlemen over the past 10 years have been extraordinary.

464
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:59,360
Thank you for that comment.

465
00:56:00,660 --> 00:56:02,740
I appreciate it.

466
00:56:05,140 --> 00:56:14,590
And where does that take us we anybody else have a comment before we call for a vote on this motion.

467
00:56:15,470 --> 00:56:20,810
All in favor of Sue, all in favor of the motion that's on the floor.

468
00:56:21,390 --> 00:56:23,590
All right. All right. All right.

469
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:27,230
Sue. Okay. It's unanimous. Thank you.

470
00:56:28,370 --> 00:56:31,310
Yeah. Jose, you want to make a comment about that.

471
00:56:34,530 --> 00:56:38,150
Yeah, not about the vote. Congratulations. By the way, Sue.

472
00:56:38,370 --> 00:56:38,750
Thank you.

473
00:56:39,450 --> 00:56:43,990
Just I want to add, I thought it was inappropriate before the vote, but thank you.

474
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:46,030
The whole committee's worked incredibly hard.

475
00:56:46,430 --> 00:56:50,090
Ethics obviously are incredibly important to the town.

476
00:56:50,550 --> 00:56:52,310
So I personally thank everyone.

477
00:56:52,750 --> 00:56:54,170
I thank everyone on the board.

478
00:56:54,370 --> 00:56:55,010
Grief with that.

479
00:56:56,210 --> 00:56:59,310
David, you've carried the burden a number of times too.

480
00:57:00,010 --> 00:57:01,230
You know, it's rewarding and gratifying,

481
00:57:01,390 --> 00:57:03,350
but it is a burden with all the work that's required.

482
00:57:04,170 --> 00:57:07,270
It took tremendous amount of effort, I know,

483
00:57:07,490 --> 00:57:11,290
and work under what might be viewed in some cases

484
00:57:11,290 --> 00:57:12,510
as trying circumstances.

485
00:57:13,790 --> 00:57:33,570
But thank you for the result. I think it's incredibly important for the town and its residents to have as much confidence as possible that the count board and other boards and committees are behaving without undoing influence and in the full interest of the town and ethics code is important for that.

486
00:57:33,570 --> 00:57:34,810
Thank you.

487
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:46,640
So I will entertain a motion for Secretary to the Board of Ethics.

488
00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:49,320
I nominate charity.

489
00:57:52,530 --> 00:57:53,030
Very clever.

490
00:57:55,650 --> 00:57:56,810
I second the motion.

491
00:57:58,750 --> 00:57:59,710
You are here.

492
00:57:59,710 --> 00:58:06,130
Well, that's really, by the way, I really, I love the new chair. Very wise. They're seconding my motion. That's great.

493
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:12,350
Okay, charity. If this motion passes, would you accept?

494
00:58:13,350 --> 00:58:13,970
Okay.

495
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:20,670
So, with that, any comments about the motion.

496
00:58:22,980 --> 00:58:42,080
I will just say what I said a little bit with regard to Sue, and that is I think it is a really wonderful thing about this board that we can rotate these leadership positions to give people a break from some of these positions from time to time, but also give other people an opportunity to serve in a slightly different capacity.

497
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:46,300
I mean, I think one really excellent thing about this board is just how consensus driven

498
00:58:46,300 --> 00:58:49,880
we are and collaborative we are, even when we disagree with each other.

499
00:58:50,140 --> 00:58:56,360
I think we do a good job of keeping peace and we expect that Sue and Charity will

500
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:03,340
continue to enforce the peacekeeping of the leadership of our small but mighty ward.

501
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:08,000
But nothing, and Charity, I know Brett and I have both done it.

502
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:18,900
I won't speak for him, but I will say any guidance, help, et cetera, that you would need in that position, in this position coming into a new happy to do that. Sue also happy to do that for you.

503
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,940
But I should have said that earlier.

504
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,440
And my comment is thank you charity.

505
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,000
No, it's a big thank you.

506
00:59:30,940 --> 00:59:39,200
You know, there's a lot of responsibility that falls to the secretary in terms of, you

507
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:43,820
know, the minutes and making sure everything is filed.

508
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:45,260
And I do.

509
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:53,120
In fact, I learned this weekend that there's a lot of work to be done on, you know, making

510
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:58,820
sure that our minutes are posted onto the town board because I don't think they have

511
00:59:58,820 --> 00:59:59,980
been for quite some time.

512
01:00:00,050 --> 01:00:08,930
time. And I also looked for one of our dead time. They just haven't been given over. They're

513
01:00:08,930 --> 01:00:12,870
all here. They signed everything. She said yes already.

514
01:00:16,290 --> 01:00:21,030
Okay. All in favor of the motion on the

515
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:27,050
floor to elect a charity monitor as secretary to the board of ethics.

516
01:00:27,410 --> 01:00:31,650
Hi, hi, congratulations to unanimous.

517
01:00:33,870 --> 01:00:39,490
But I was looking for a video of one of our last meetings too,

518
01:00:39,630 --> 01:00:44,710
and I could not find it on the town board website or anywhere on the website.

519
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:51,950
So, you know, there's been a big transition of where everything lands.

520
01:00:52,190 --> 01:00:56,050
And I don't know whether it's you can't find it either.

521
01:00:56,270 --> 01:01:03,050
Okay, so I know that we've only been recording our board of ethics meetings.

522
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:06,990
Once I figured out how to use the system.

523
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:13,890
And but but didn't Carrie record these way back when

524
01:01:13,890 --> 01:01:15,050
when she was secretary?

525
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:23,360
Yes. She sat there and recorded because I remember the recording in progress

526
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:30,500
for so long, but I couldn't find any of those meetings even on the town website. So I don't

527
01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:37,620
know whether it's just a transition thing or a housekeeping thing or something at the town clerk's

528
01:01:37,620 --> 01:01:44,920
office. I don't know, but it is something that's, you know, worth keeping on the radar screen.

529
01:01:45,820 --> 01:01:53,900
regarding that. I don't think it's available readily on the town board. If I recall, you'd have to

530
01:01:54,620 --> 01:02:03,800
get to the town clerk and there's a special code or something you have to put it. It is so ridiculous.

531
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:10,700
You can find it. It's there, but it's not readily available.

532
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:26,100
The video, the links to actual historic videos without more, okay, it's there, but it's almost

533
01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:39,360
impossible to get my on the new system, which is in the last year, there is a menu for the

534
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:46,120
video links to the town board, to the planning board, to the conservation board, to a bunch of

535
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:56,000
boards, ethics boards not even included in that list. And other than maybe four or five videos

536
01:02:56,000 --> 01:03:02,500
under the town board, none of the others are populated with any meeting. So I don't know

537
01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:09,240
whether the conservation board, for example, is reported. But anyway, that's, you know what,

538
01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:19,040
that concludes my chair's report number six. But we have 5B. Oh, we have 5B. Thank you.

539
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,060
It still concludes number six, so we can skip that when we get to it.

540
01:03:24,060 --> 01:03:29,560
5B, duties of alternates.

541
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:46,660
And this was, if I may, summarized it, how to deal with the question of whether and

542
01:03:46,660 --> 01:03:58,260
And when alternates may vote, become a voting member of the town board.

543
01:03:59,980 --> 01:04:03,720
So with that, I'll open it up for discussion.

544
01:04:04,220 --> 01:04:07,440
I'd like to make a few open comments regarding it.

545
01:04:09,340 --> 01:04:10,520
Sue, grab the mic.

546
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:12,400
I don't know, because I always talk to speakers.

547
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:13,340
It's a proposal.

548
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:14,000
Okay.

549
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:16,680
And you have the floor.

550
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:21,900
It's something that's concerned me all the years I've been sitting here,

551
01:04:22,900 --> 01:04:31,200
that we haven't had the alternates who we encouraged to participate.

552
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,620
Certainly, I've learned in my life, you don't know what you don't know.

553
01:04:35,620 --> 01:04:41,180
And the more information you get, whether it's from an alternate or a permanent member,

554
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:45,740
I think it's certainly really important. I think all of us feel that way.

555
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:57,920
I don't quite accept it said in the town code it says that we have five permanent and two

556
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:08,820
was very little further direction regarding the alternates. But it seems to me, and I could be mistaken,

557
01:05:09,460 --> 01:05:14,380
but the purpose of the alternate is to serve when a permanent member can't serve.

558
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,640
And there have been several occasions,

559
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:31,960
past 10 years or so, where we have a quorum, but still assured a board member. And we've

560
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:39,360
had all the minutes, and we've never suggested that it become permanent. Well, if that ain't

561
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:45,700
it. And they don't mean permanent member, but at least serve as a voting member. So

562
01:05:45,700 --> 01:05:52,580
I said to my soul, what is the point of having an alternate member when we have a vacancy

563
01:05:52,580 --> 01:05:53,660
and they don't turn it?

564
01:05:57,740 --> 01:06:05,080
And it was even an occasion, I don't recall when, where we ended a meeting because we

565
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:12,100
no longer had a quorum, yet we had an alternate or alternate sitting here where we couldn't

566
01:06:12,100 --> 01:06:13,000
continue the meeting.

567
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:19,960
And it seems to me in that case, I found it particularly frustrating that we take the time

568
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:24,980
to come and I'm not criticizing a permanent member for not being here.

569
01:06:25,140 --> 01:06:30,700
Certainly there are times when you can be here, but that's when the alternate should be serving.

570
01:06:31,260 --> 01:06:38,000
And I see no reason why in those cases where an alternate should not be pointing

571
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:44,940
appointed or recruited or named or whatever it may be, so that we have another vote on

572
01:06:44,940 --> 01:06:47,480
the board. That's my position on it.

573
01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:49,940
Two?

574
01:06:50,480 --> 01:07:01,620
Oh, one other thing. I did look at the code carefully, and I tried to, I made up two proposals,

575
01:07:01,620 --> 01:07:04,460
one for the code and one without the code.

576
01:07:06,660 --> 01:07:10,660
And I felt just by addressing the guidelines,

577
01:07:11,380 --> 01:07:12,860
I felt it was sufficient.

578
01:07:13,340 --> 01:07:15,100
It's not that I ignored the code at all.

579
01:07:15,900 --> 01:07:15,940
I

580
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:26,040
believe that the internal guidelines can and should be amended

581
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,760
in the way that Ed proposes.

582
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,940
Let me deal with the can first.

583
01:07:32,940 --> 01:07:34,000
with

584
01:07:36,370 --> 01:07:42,050
respect to ultimates, the code says, and I'm going to

585
01:07:42,050 --> 01:07:45,810
depth out a little bit, the town board shall also point to the

586
01:07:45,810 --> 01:07:46,530
ultimates

587
01:07:48,550 --> 01:07:53,510
who shall be eligible to serve if a member or members

588
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:59,670
of the board are unable to proceed and now the critical

589
01:07:59,670 --> 01:08:05,870
language on a particular map. It doesn't say in particular

590
01:08:05,870 --> 01:08:13,310
of proceeding, which would suggest that it's only when we have a violation charge. It's

591
01:08:13,310 --> 01:08:21,610
a particular matter, which means to me that anything that comes up for a vote requires

592
01:08:21,610 --> 01:08:33,110
a vote by the Board of Ethics would be permissible for an alternate to vote. And the critical

593
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:41,850
question only is how do you choose to go to it and add suggestion point. Part one,

594
01:08:42,810 --> 01:08:51,970
we have to adhere to the requirement about political affiliation. And then part two

595
01:08:51,970 --> 01:09:01,390
is optional because there is no requirement. Simply put, a rule and that

596
01:09:01,390 --> 01:09:08,010
is to have the senior member if the member qualifies on the party affiliation. So I believe

597
01:09:08,010 --> 01:09:15,570
that the language on a particular matter makes this a legitimate amendment to the internal

598
01:09:15,570 --> 01:09:22,130
guidelines. It does not cover the situation where the meeting doesn't have a quorum because

599
01:09:22,130 --> 01:09:29,970
we can't, in my mind, have an alternate for a meeting without an amendment to the

600
01:09:29,970 --> 01:09:38,880
code for the entire meeting. It has to be for particular matter. But with respect to

601
01:09:39,500 --> 01:09:45,160
issues that arise that require a vote, I think it's

602
01:09:46,220 --> 01:09:49,600
Proposal to the internal guidelines is legally sound

603
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:53,780
and important. Any

604
01:09:56,890 --> 01:09:59,290
other comments? I do.

605
01:10:05,790 --> 01:10:14,590
It sounds like the code assumes the only reason you wouldn't have someone as some sort of conflict

606
01:10:15,060 --> 01:10:18,930
and it doesn't take into account the fact that someone might not be here.

607
01:10:19,570 --> 01:10:25,290
But that's obviously even more likely and stops us in our tracks.

608
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:29,510
And I have to say, when I was first asked to be an alternate, I assumed this would

609
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:34,170
be the case. It only makes sense. That's why you're an alternative. Isn't that what you

610
01:10:34,170 --> 01:10:38,810
thought? Like, sure. Then I would vote when there's a reason that somebody else can't.

611
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:45,130
It just seems so sensible that you're on the committee, you're there for a reason, and

612
01:10:45,130 --> 01:10:49,950
in the rare case, because this doesn't happen very often, but in the rare case where you

613
01:10:49,950 --> 01:10:53,990
wouldn't be able to have the vote, you'd have them. So I think it makes sense.

614
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:55,370
Okay.

615
01:10:56,970 --> 01:10:58,950
Penny, do you want to comment?

616
01:11:00,790 --> 01:11:02,350
No, I feel exactly.

617
01:11:02,810 --> 01:11:07,390
May I offer an alternate viewpoint?

618
01:11:09,610 --> 01:11:10,730
You know, we.

619
01:11:12,130 --> 01:11:13,750
We set rules.

620
01:11:15,010 --> 01:11:17,890
And we should promote rules that work.

621
01:11:18,690 --> 01:11:19,810
In perpetuity.

622
01:11:19,810 --> 01:11:34,030
and I agree that in the ordinary case and as you've seen in the way I conduct the

623
01:11:34,030 --> 01:11:42,030
meetings is everybody has input but the voting members have a vote and if you

624
01:11:42,030 --> 01:11:53,130
were to slot an alternative in any time a voting member is absent for any reason,

625
01:11:53,910 --> 01:12:01,530
you introduced the possibility of a lot of gamesmanship on down the line for anybody who

626
01:12:01,530 --> 01:12:08,410
takes our position. I don't want to suggest that anybody here would do this, but what happens is,

627
01:12:08,410 --> 01:12:27,950
And let me back up a little bit. May vote on a particular matter. I believe that should be interpreted as may vote on a particular enforcement matter, a matter of such significance that it's necessary.

628
01:12:27,950 --> 01:12:48,130
Our quorum is for who start the enforcement process, you need three votes to determine whether there is reasonable cause to believe that there may have been a violation.

629
01:12:48,590 --> 01:12:55,190
And that starts a whole bunch of really significant deadlines and times and things like that.

630
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:10,380
If, Sue, you travel for a month at a time in the fall every year, and if I'm the chair

631
01:13:10,380 --> 01:13:15,640
and I schedule a meeting, knowing that this is something you would vote against and they

632
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:24,460
schedule a meeting or call a meeting while you're absent in order to have an alternate

633
01:13:24,460 --> 01:13:32,640
it replace you for I'm going to say a significant vote I don't think that that

634
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:45,520
is the spirit of what our rules should promote so I really think that if there

635
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:53,420
is a question or a concern here I'm in favor of clarifying that the voting

636
01:13:53,420 --> 01:14:06,360
voting on a particular matter is voting on a particular enforcement matter, which I think clarifies that we're not talking about, you know, somebody can't make the meeting.

637
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:15,500
kind of thing. So that's my view. And I don't mean to detract from the contribution that

638
01:14:15,500 --> 01:14:24,020
our alternates have, because I think a board of seven is better than a board of five. It

639
01:14:24,020 --> 01:14:32,020
takes a little longer sometimes to get everybody's comments, but oftentimes it's comment number

640
01:14:32,020 --> 01:14:43,620
six and number seven that may change the way everybody thinks. So again, I don't mean to

641
01:14:43,620 --> 01:14:51,140
diminish the role of the alternates, but I do think that voting members are voting members

642
01:14:51,140 --> 01:14:59,300
and alternates oftentimes sit for years as alternates until, you know, a voting position.

643
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:09,320
Comes up. I'd like to comment on that again, please. Sure. I respect your view, Brett.

644
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:18,120
I find it almost very difficult to imagine that a chair is going to manipulate

645
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:27,440
the meeting date coincide with an alternate vote or not.

646
01:15:27,860 --> 01:15:31,860
Is it possible? Anything's possible, but I don't think that's realistic.

647
01:15:33,700 --> 01:15:36,600
I'd also like you to consider this.

648
01:15:40,490 --> 01:15:40,490
That

649
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:49,680
being an alternate, if you know that there's going to be the opportunity to serve,

650
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:54,160
You're going to make sure that you're here at the meetings.

651
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:58,680
I can recall years back where it opened and never even showed.

652
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:01,060
We didn't have any open.

653
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,140
We had an open name, never showed.

654
01:16:07,420 --> 01:16:13,040
If that alternate knew that they might be serving as a member of the Board of the Voting

655
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:21,720
matter, that's more incentive than to show. So it keeps having mine. That's another point now,

656
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:23,540
I forgot what I wanted to make.

657
01:16:25,820 --> 01:16:26,180
Okay.

658
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:38,380
My view is perhaps tainted by my recollection of the

659
01:16:38,380 --> 01:16:43,120
legislative history, where we deliberately use the words on

660
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:48,860
particular matter, and I recall a discussion of whether it could

661
01:16:48,860 --> 01:16:56,120
be for a proceeding only. But we don't have a record of that.

662
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:00,640
And it could have been something that was only in my head in

663
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:16,900
interaction. And that's not totally relevant. But I prefer to think that what we were talking

664
01:17:16,900 --> 01:17:26,540
about earlier, which is ethics and the importance of ethics, that as long as we have a decent

665
01:17:26,540 --> 01:17:27,860
people

666
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:39,950
on this Board of Ethics. As long as that can be maintained, the maneuver you talked

667
01:17:39,950 --> 01:17:53,190
about will not come to pass. Once the Board of Ethics starts to become political, politicized

668
01:17:53,190 --> 01:18:03,210
or personal, it may well. I think we should adopt this, and I think it should, your comment

669
01:18:03,210 --> 01:18:12,630
should be a reminder of how important it is for us to stand up in our own lives just top

670
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:23,830
ethical standards. I want the board not to be stymied on the rare occasion when a member

671
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:35,210
before that they can hang on those on the map either because they're unable to be here from

672
01:18:35,210 --> 01:18:42,950
before the poem due to or they have ethical reasons not to vote.

673
01:18:45,030 --> 01:18:51,750
One other on my job also. Yeah, let me open this to other people and then I'll

674
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:54,090
I'll get back to you and you have a,

675
01:18:54,290 --> 01:18:54,970
I was just,

676
01:18:59,130 --> 01:19:01,310
yeah, I'm probably okay with it.

677
01:19:01,370 --> 01:19:03,830
I think it will require some

678
01:19:08,010 --> 01:19:10,110
diligence on the part of the board

679
01:19:10,690 --> 01:19:11,330
in that,

680
01:19:13,550 --> 01:19:15,750
like, I think it will need to be,

681
01:19:16,090 --> 01:19:18,050
first and advanced notice will be,

682
01:19:18,210 --> 01:19:20,910
I think, an important goal, right?

683
01:19:20,910 --> 01:19:28,950
So when a sitting of the five members is not going to be able to attend, participate, whatever to make that known as early as possible.

684
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:38,830
So the alternate can sort of effectively know that they're on deck and sort of make sure that they are preparing more, etc.

685
01:19:39,090 --> 01:19:43,510
Just in case they're not inclined to as Ed pointed out that that's a good point.

686
01:19:45,230 --> 01:19:52,010
And then I think also sort of just that notice to everybody else that that is going to happen, I think, is important.

687
01:19:52,930 --> 01:20:00,450
I don't think a situation in which, you know, there's a discussion on a matter happening and, like, well, I'll just use my own example, right?

688
01:20:00,710 --> 01:20:03,990
You know, sometimes I have to leave meetings because I have to go to work, right?

689
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:08,870
by Jadavand says as best I can but it doesn't always work and I mean and it

690
01:20:08,870 --> 01:20:12,270
could be anybody right who has an appointment etc. I do think we should

691
01:20:12,270 --> 01:20:19,630
avoid the situations in which a discussion has begun and somebody has to

692
01:20:19,630 --> 01:20:24,270
leave in the middle of it and then it just you know somebody slots into but I

693
01:20:24,270 --> 01:20:30,270
did think that we should just be careful about when we would appoint an

694
01:20:30,270 --> 01:20:38,450
alternate to consider a matter. And I don't know if it should be in the middle of a discussion

695
01:20:39,630 --> 01:20:44,310
that that would be appropriate. And I think I've raised some of this because,

696
01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:51,370
look, I wasn't here at the last meeting, right? And this suggestion came up almost sort of in a

697
01:20:51,370 --> 01:20:54,550
a way to resolve an impasse.

698
01:20:55,170 --> 01:20:59,610
And I don't think that would be the best use

699
01:20:59,610 --> 01:21:04,590
of appointing alternates to consider matters.

700
01:21:06,550 --> 01:21:09,690
For instance, had I, for instance-

701
01:21:09,690 --> 01:21:10,830
Let me say just one thing.

702
01:21:11,490 --> 01:21:14,810
That's one of the reasons I'm proposing it

703
01:21:15,150 --> 01:21:18,910
that when there's this vacancy in effect,

704
01:21:18,910 --> 01:21:22,250
They must be appointed to avoid that situation.

705
01:21:23,290 --> 01:21:25,710
They can choose that it will be automatic.

706
01:21:27,490 --> 01:21:28,130
Right.

707
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:33,490
I don't want to sort of go into too many details on that one second.

708
01:21:33,710 --> 01:21:38,470
So I just think that we should try to be as deliberate as possible.

709
01:21:39,230 --> 01:21:47,490
When this is going to occur. So the members of the actual sitting members of the board.

710
01:21:48,230 --> 01:21:55,870
not the alternates sort of have that sort of are fully aware that an alternate is

711
01:21:55,870 --> 01:22:00,550
going to come in and take their place on a particular matter, which is fine, right?

712
01:22:00,630 --> 01:22:06,130
Because we have to get business done. The other question that I have, and so

713
01:22:06,130 --> 01:22:09,270
you can address the first stuff that I said in a minute, is are there other

714
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:14,610
boards that have alternate members and do we know if this is how alternates

715
01:22:14,610 --> 01:22:21,490
are used for other boards and I don't know the answer to that question and

716
01:22:21,490 --> 01:22:25,370
maybe it doesn't matter I would just be sort of curious if you know there's four

717
01:22:25,370 --> 01:22:28,010
or five other boards in addition to the town board the town board obviously

718
01:22:28,010 --> 01:22:34,590
doesn't have alternates but you know planning board etc do they have alternate

719
01:22:34,590 --> 01:22:41,370
members that swoop in to consider matters when a sitting member of say

720
01:22:41,370 --> 01:22:43,510
that the planning board can't appear.

721
01:22:44,250 --> 01:22:46,430
To the best of my knowledge, no.

722
01:22:46,990 --> 01:22:49,910
No, as in they don't have alternates or no is in,

723
01:22:50,330 --> 01:22:51,690
the alternate doesn't play that role.

724
01:22:51,990 --> 01:22:52,970
No, to the best of my knowledge.

725
01:22:52,970 --> 01:22:54,030
We can check that.

726
01:22:54,530 --> 01:22:59,730
My perspective, what you were saying is

727
01:23:01,970 --> 01:23:05,330
if it is essential that an alternate

728
01:23:05,870 --> 01:23:09,290
who participates in a vote be present

729
01:23:09,290 --> 01:23:16,270
for the entire discussion? No. Certainly we should not. But I think that the alternate

730
01:23:16,270 --> 01:23:22,230
should know before the discussion, I'm sorry, I think the alternate needs to know before the

731
01:23:22,230 --> 01:23:30,290
discussion ensues that they are probably that they are going to be the voting member of the

732
01:23:30,290 --> 01:23:35,830
discussion. Yeah, there's a little problem with that in that it requires a lot of telephone

733
01:23:35,830 --> 01:23:47,510
phone work that doesn't happen in public, and you don't want to get a sense or pitch

734
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:55,610
something to sort out, listen, you know, would you be a voting member?

735
01:23:55,810 --> 01:24:01,050
I want you to be aware that you're going to be a voting member on this particular issue

736
01:24:01,050 --> 01:24:08,930
and oh then there's you know discussions or you know you line that up with a

737
01:24:08,930 --> 01:24:14,050
couple of different members and you know all of a sudden you're sort of through

738
01:24:14,050 --> 01:24:21,630
the telephone having a meeting you know adjacent. I don't think that this

739
01:24:21,630 --> 01:24:28,990
requires a telephone discussion let me give you the scenario I envision which

740
01:24:28,990 --> 01:24:33,370
is that we're all meeting here, too, just with the alternates

741
01:24:33,370 --> 01:24:41,450
press to discuss an issue. The alternates are talking or not

742
01:24:41,450 --> 01:24:48,250
talking. And something happens so that it ends up either with a

743
01:24:48,250 --> 01:24:56,630
two to two vote, or a member non alternate has an emergency

744
01:24:56,630 --> 01:24:57,550
to invest to leave.

745
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:03,280
At that point, the alternates we've seen this

746
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:09,660
are as involved as members of the board.

747
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:11,900
Some more so, some less so,

748
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:15,280
just like members of this board are more or less involved.

749
01:25:16,300 --> 01:25:19,520
They participated the same way we have

750
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:23,100
because we allow that or favor that whatever.

751
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:24,520
That's the way it's been

752
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:26,680
and I just envision no change in that.

753
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:37,960
So, when it comes to the vote, they are as up to it as I am, and as you are.

754
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:46,840
I do not envision a phone conversation, meeting a sleeper, and noticed the alternates and

755
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:57,780
noticed just like you and I are, and when the discussion ensues, and Joe Smith suddenly

756
01:25:57,780 --> 01:26:11,750
has a horrible tummy ache and leaves an alternate with the criteria set out, sits in. Is it going

757
01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:18,230
to happen often? No. But how do you envision- I mean a vote? No. How do you envision, you know,

758
01:26:18,310 --> 01:26:24,440
because I think David makes a good point, if there's an ongoing discussion over the course of a

759
01:26:24,440 --> 01:26:32,740
meetings. And the alternate is present at all of those things. And the member either,

760
01:26:33,500 --> 01:26:39,160
and the member leaves a meeting, you still have a quorum. You can still have a 2-2 vote.

761
01:26:39,180 --> 01:26:44,180
I'm talking about the likely that we're talking about a 2-2 vote because we need a quorum.

762
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:53,880
Yeah. But if there's an ongoing discussion and there's a 2-2 vote, it tells me that

763
01:26:53,880 --> 01:27:02,660
But it should continue to be an ongoing discussion to try and achieve consensus, and consensus

764
01:27:02,660 --> 01:27:06,260
meaning at least three of the five votes.

765
01:27:08,340 --> 01:27:16,040
And that's kind of what I mean about, well, you know, we've been discussing this and

766
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:22,600
somebody's absent, so, you know, an alternate is going to step in to vote.

767
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:33,980
And that, what that does is it takes that person who has been on the board for however long attending all of those meetings where that issue is discussed.

768
01:27:34,540 --> 01:27:43,800
It takes their involvement completely, it makes it completely irrelevant because somebody could have a different point of view.

769
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:51,480
and add to your point and sue to yours that you don't envision this happening.

770
01:27:52,380 --> 01:27:59,620
You know, one of the most significant things that we do, I think, is to elect our chair

771
01:27:59,620 --> 01:28:09,400
and our secretary each year, and this was something that was urged, and that's, I think,

772
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:21,980
a an accurate or if not a mild description of our last meeting where that was that was a motion

773
01:28:21,980 --> 01:28:33,760
and it died too too but had it not been then one of our permanent members wouldn't have had any

774
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:40,980
opportunity to participate in the discussion of who should chair this

775
01:28:40,980 --> 01:28:49,600
board and who should be secretary. So that's another example of why I think it

776
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:58,500
should really be limited to serious matters that involve enforcement.

777
01:29:01,250 --> 01:29:02,630
Okay to

778
01:29:02,630 --> 01:29:09,990
to that, let me just give one brief answer and then I think I spoke the more I

779
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:10,150
should.

780
01:29:13,630 --> 01:29:19,810
Legislation says, in particular, now it does not say enforcement

781
01:29:19,810 --> 01:29:30,030
proceedings. Correct. And your suggestion it does is narrowly. Clarify. You

782
01:29:30,030 --> 01:29:34,130
can say narrow, I say clarify. Now we have a different interpretation of the

783
01:29:34,130 --> 01:29:40,550
same word. I'm giving you. Okay. I told you when I thought of the legislative history, you know,

784
01:29:40,610 --> 01:29:50,970
it's like I can't prove it. Yeah. It narrows it. And what Ed's proposal does is clarifies what I think

785
01:29:50,970 --> 01:29:57,590
was the original one. Now I sound like a constitutional lawyer. Sit that once, but not anymore.

786
01:29:58,570 --> 01:29:59,890
So let me ask.

787
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:17,760
We all agree that the roll is in the town code, but we disagree on the interpretation of a particular

788
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:28,280
matter. Is that fair? Okay. So clarifying what, you know, the code does versus changing what

789
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:35,920
the code does is kind of a fine line. Are we changing the meaning of the code if we say,

790
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:46,060
oh, you know, it's any matter, or maybe you would say we're changing the code if we say

791
01:30:46,060 --> 01:30:55,400
an enforcement, that's narrowing the code in your interpretation. So it's a code issue that

792
01:30:55,400 --> 01:31:01,440
requires clarification and what have we done for the last two and a half years when we have a

793
01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:07,700
code issue that requires clarification is that we bring it before the town board and

794
01:31:08,620 --> 01:31:17,480
with a recommendation to clarify and we should say any matter or we should say a particular

795
01:31:17,480 --> 01:31:29,740
enforcement matter. In either case, it would clarify what we're talking about now. Are we narrowing it or are we expanding it?

796
01:31:31,180 --> 01:31:42,560
You want it to expand it and you want to expand it? I'll take narrow. I want to make it specific to enforcement matters, which is what I think it's intended to be.

797
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:57,400
So it's an issue and it really isn't something that I think we ought to do or can do or should purport to do through our own internal guidelines, which are very flexible.

798
01:31:57,860 --> 01:32:01,900
And we can change them anytime we've got, you know, or quorum to do that.

799
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:04,620
Oh, sorry.

800
01:32:04,980 --> 01:32:05,660
That was it.

801
01:32:09,820 --> 01:32:10,120
Oh,

802
01:32:13,060 --> 01:32:13,660
Oh,

803
01:32:14,900 --> 01:32:15,500
Oh,

804
01:32:15,500 --> 01:32:15,540
Oh,

805
01:32:15,540 --> 01:32:15,580
Oh,

806
01:32:15,580 --> 01:32:16,440
Oh,

807
01:32:19,180 --> 01:32:22,980
regarding your point, I understand what you're saying, but, but

808
01:32:25,260 --> 01:32:29,240
in my mind, it is not the right approach because of this.

809
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:33,320
When you say it has to be of an important matter.

810
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:43,640
I can just imagine, and it's one, two, three, four attorneys here, when it comes up, we're

811
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:47,660
going to spend hours saying, is it important, or not important?

812
01:32:47,980 --> 01:32:48,500
Enforcement.

813
01:32:49,340 --> 01:32:49,800
Enforcement.

814
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:50,380
Enforcement.

815
01:32:50,620 --> 01:32:52,260
Is it enforcement or not enforcement?

816
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:55,100
That's exactly what I want to avoid.

817
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:58,080
My language is any matter.

818
01:32:58,980 --> 01:33:00,440
It takes that off the table.

819
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:06,700
I'm just going to reiterate what I said before.

820
01:33:07,020 --> 01:33:08,480
Well, don't reiterate then.

821
01:33:09,260 --> 01:33:16,720
No, I believe that we went through this in the drafting of the legislation.

822
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:23,640
I think at this point, and we did not put in enforcement matter that we put in the

823
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:29,260
particular and it covers a lot more than enforcement, and I think we should put it to about

824
01:33:31,740 --> 01:33:42,300
Yeah, and I will just say, fine with voting on it, do you think that a best practice would

825
01:33:42,300 --> 01:33:51,420
be that as early in the process as possible that the alternate knows that they are going

826
01:33:51,420 --> 01:33:58,440
to be voting on that particular matter. I would want to see a situation in which

827
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:07,860
sitting member of the board has participated extensively in a particular matter and then

828
01:34:07,860 --> 01:34:15,860
only because the timing of the vote happening at a conflict allowed somebody else to suddenly

829
01:34:15,860 --> 01:34:17,160
assume the voting spot.

830
01:34:20,060 --> 01:34:24,820
I don't know how you avoid that. I think you avoid it by a lot of different

831
01:34:24,820 --> 01:34:38,360
ways of avoiding it, which would just be... I mean,

832
01:34:41,510 --> 01:34:42,790
this is all internal guidelines,

833
01:34:43,010 --> 01:34:47,210
is it right? So it's how we govern ourselves. No, I don't think it's an internal guideline.

834
01:34:50,430 --> 01:34:50,870
That's

835
01:34:50,870 --> 01:34:59,030
There's a provision in the town code that is let's call it vague or subject to interpretation

836
01:34:59,030 --> 01:35:02,930
and there are a couple of different interpretations of that.

837
01:35:05,010 --> 01:35:12,790
If we say any matter in our internal guidelines, are we expanding that?

838
01:35:13,070 --> 01:35:13,970
I believe yes.

839
01:35:14,310 --> 01:35:17,930
If we say enforcement matter, are we restricting it?

840
01:35:17,930 --> 01:35:21,530
I would say clarifying, but Sue says restricting.

841
01:35:22,250 --> 01:35:24,890
So it's an interpretation of the town code.

842
01:35:25,090 --> 01:35:33,270
I think at a minimum, before we arguably change the town code one way or another,

843
01:35:34,250 --> 01:35:43,310
we should get some kind of clarification as to what the town board wants to do with that.

844
01:35:44,230 --> 01:35:55,230
I think that we can meet your suggestions really by saying when a member has been not

845
01:35:55,230 --> 01:35:57,810
participated in the discussions then.

846
01:35:58,270 --> 01:35:58,870
Yep.

847
01:36:00,850 --> 01:36:02,830
I didn't find that as language.

848
01:36:03,150 --> 01:36:07,230
But with those, that phrase put in just before as language.

849
01:36:07,230 --> 01:36:13,130
But, Sue, how does that address, you know, last meeting of voting on who should be the

850
01:36:13,130 --> 01:36:16,410
chair because David was absent?

851
01:36:17,070 --> 01:36:22,550
I think that that is something that nobody had talked about before.

852
01:36:22,850 --> 01:36:24,870
It hadn't been the subject of earlier meetings.

853
01:36:25,530 --> 01:36:33,550
And according to your interpretation, it would be fine to select, but to undertake

854
01:36:33,550 --> 01:36:40,910
One of the most significant things we do every year if we choose to elect a chair and a secretary.

855
01:36:42,270 --> 01:36:50,690
I mean, what if David wanted to be president last meeting and we're going to do this charity, but you have a comment.

856
01:36:51,050 --> 01:36:56,630
I think that was one of the reasons we stopped discussing it this because he wasn't here and we were talking about him.

857
01:36:57,090 --> 01:37:01,630
Possibly filling one of the roles. We said, wait a minute. We can't discuss it when he's not here.

858
01:37:01,630 --> 01:37:05,710
wait till the next meeting. We're talking about him. We'll do it next. So that was a very sensible

859
01:37:05,710 --> 01:37:12,010
way to postpone it because there's five of us playing these roles and we're talking about him

860
01:37:12,010 --> 01:37:17,130
for one of them. Obviously we're not going to do it without him. So it wasn't that we just,

861
01:37:17,430 --> 01:37:22,150
you know, did what you were saying. It was because he's too important in this particular

862
01:37:22,150 --> 01:37:26,910
discussion to not be here for it. And that's why I brought her up to this meeting.

863
01:37:27,770 --> 01:37:39,790
Right. But what would have, what would have the result been had instead of David been nominated that and her charity had been nominated at the last meeting?

864
01:37:39,790 --> 01:37:40,830
You might want to be nominated.

865
01:37:41,690 --> 01:37:42,290
That was.

866
01:37:43,710 --> 01:37:45,670
Oh, I see that's your position.

867
01:37:46,670 --> 01:37:46,930
Yeah.

868
01:37:48,330 --> 01:37:50,190
So, Tim, and I call for the vote.

869
01:37:54,300 --> 01:38:00,000
May I suggest a brief, a very one clause addition to it?

870
01:38:00,540 --> 01:38:01,740
To what?

871
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:05,540
To Ed's proposal, which I'm still looking for.

872
01:38:06,380 --> 01:38:09,320
Ed, can you read it all out and I'll tell you where?

873
01:38:09,420 --> 01:38:14,020
Well, nevertheless, in five members of the Board of Ethics, you are able to vote.

874
01:38:14,020 --> 01:38:21,280
Here is an alternate or alternate shall be selected to serve as a member of the Board of Ethics with that vote

875
01:38:22,300 --> 01:38:24,400
Then it goes on to yeah

876
01:38:25,220 --> 01:38:29,720
You'll have to read the rest of it. No, hang on. Let me let me call it out

877
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:38,860
Again, we're never less than five members of the Board of Ethics are able to vote and

878
01:38:38,860 --> 01:38:46,100
And alternate shall be selected to serve as member of the Board of Ethics for that vote.

879
01:38:46,940 --> 01:39:01,360
And David, I would suggest that your phrase goes in whenever less than five members of the Board of Ethics are able to vote. And what do you want to put into the timeline and have been and have not participated fully?

880
01:39:03,500 --> 01:39:08,940
I guess that's probably all right. But that's still vague, right? Penny, help out here.

881
01:39:09,260 --> 01:39:10,220
It's way too vague.

882
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:16,620
What is it that we're trying to accomplish that the alternates, I'm sorry,

883
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:25,660
are we trying to accomplish that the alternates need to be here for the entire time so that they

884
01:39:25,660 --> 01:39:32,780
are able to vote. I mean that's one of the positions I would take. Obviously you

885
01:39:32,780 --> 01:39:37,720
don't want an alternate who walked in that day. One of the members is not

886
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:44,120
available on that day. If that was me I would not want to vote because I don't

887
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:50,480
have enough information. So amongst the clarifying pieces would be that the

888
01:39:50,480 --> 01:39:54,700
alternate would not have been here during the time that the issue was

889
01:39:54,700 --> 01:40:01,280
discussed but I think we have to kind of play with the language. I'm not sure that this requires

890
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:08,320
any great brush unless everybody here believes that but I think it requires some let's toss the

891
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:13,500
language around let's figure out what everybody's comfortable with and let's make sure it's in

892
01:40:13,500 --> 01:40:22,780
compliance with the code. But the one question I have is are the same criteria given to put an

893
01:40:22,780 --> 01:40:28,060
alternate on this board as a regular member, a voting member, or they're different criteria.

894
01:40:28,340 --> 01:40:33,500
I think it's the same criteria, right? I mean, it's the same application that gets built out,

895
01:40:33,740 --> 01:40:39,400
but I think it's just the same interview. Yeah, same interview. There's no reason why an alternate

896
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:44,640
would not be able to assume that position provided they were there the whole time.

897
01:40:44,740 --> 01:40:50,140
I'm thinking of an alternative juror. But that's why I thought that

898
01:40:50,140 --> 01:41:01,500
But the alternate should only vote when they, like, began, when the discussion began knowing

899
01:41:01,500 --> 01:41:05,540
that they would be voting on the matter, right?

900
01:41:05,860 --> 01:41:10,880
So like, such, I, otherwise it feels bait and switch to me.

901
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:13,220
Wait, it's bait and switch.

902
01:41:13,460 --> 01:41:19,900
I think the alternate should know that if you take this position, as long as you

903
01:41:19,900 --> 01:41:31,880
If you are here for all of the discussion, then you very likely could be called upon. That's, that's fair. But if you weren't here for the entire discussion, you should not.

904
01:41:32,420 --> 01:41:33,060
That's fair.

905
01:41:33,480 --> 01:41:40,980
Let me let me let me try and, and no I want to give party an opportunity to weigh in on this.

906
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:44,440
And, Charity, can you hand that to Art, because you've got it.

907
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:45,520
I can speak loudly.

908
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:52,020
My understanding of an alternate is somebody who was required to be at all the meetings

909
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:55,840
and understands all the issues that are being presented.

910
01:41:56,540 --> 01:42:03,180
I think once you start all of these qualifying statements about the function of the alternate,

911
01:42:03,740 --> 01:42:05,820
you're better off not having any alternates.

912
01:42:07,700 --> 01:42:23,160
Because if you're going to stipulate that they can enter into a discussion here or make a vote here, I think you are not only limiting what they can do, but you are eliminating the need for them.

913
01:42:26,460 --> 01:42:28,440
Sue, do you have a comment?

914
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:29,800
Because I have a suggestion.

915
01:42:30,380 --> 01:42:31,460
Oh, there's a little proposal to a vote.

916
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:39,660
Well, I like Hennie's suggestion that we circulate language that

917
01:42:40,300 --> 01:42:43,000
is much more likely to achieve consensus.

918
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:47,580
For example, consensus, not, you know,

919
01:42:47,740 --> 01:42:52,540
with the exception of the annual election of chair or secretary,

920
01:42:52,540 --> 01:43:14,080
Whenever fewer, and I insist on word fewer instead of less, whenever fewer than five members are able to vote on a particular matter, and you can insert whatever clarifying language to address your point that may or may not fly when we ultimately talk about this,

921
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:27,700
that we circulate language that's a little broader than what you have suggested, and we pick this up at the next meeting.

922
01:43:28,980 --> 01:43:31,600
I don't think there's any real rush on this.

923
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:38,300
I agree that there's no rush. I do disagree with drawing exceptions.

924
01:43:38,300 --> 01:43:50,120
All right, I think that the selection of officers is important, but it should not be subject

925
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:51,980
to different rules.

926
01:43:53,040 --> 01:44:01,100
I think that the alternate, if they have been present and have been able to partake

927
01:44:01,100 --> 01:44:08,880
as we've always had them partake, as we've shown just in this discussion, they should

928
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:19,480
have the right to vote. I appreciate David's wish not to have the alternate come in in the last minute.

929
01:44:19,900 --> 01:44:28,880
Nonetheless, if the alternates have been involved as they are here right now,

930
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:37,820
I don't think it matters if that tummy egg takes one of us out right now or not.

931
01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:51,640
Um, perhaps the wisest thing to do, even though I think there should be much to about now is everyone go home, sleep on it, and it'll be on the agenda next time.

932
01:44:52,380 --> 01:44:56,580
Yeah, and we know we have an upcoming meeting. So, yeah, that makes some sense to me. Okay.

933
01:45:00,240 --> 01:45:07,200
I'm fine with that. What I don't want to see happen. I don't want to see email going back from the board.

934
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:09,940
Absolutely. That I don't want to say. That's fair.

935
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:11,320
Yeah, I agree.

936
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:18,920
And by the way, the purpose of that email was not to have discussion back and forth.

937
01:45:19,480 --> 01:45:28,040
I thought it was only proper since it came up at the previous meeting that everyone had the opportunity to think about and evaluate it.

938
01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:35,320
And I have no objection to us putting it off to the next meeting, but I don't want to see any back in thought.

939
01:45:35,580 --> 01:45:40,200
So, yeah, I really can discuss protocol for a moment. I would, I would agree with that.

940
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:44,800
And so it's perfectly clear.

941
01:45:45,300 --> 01:45:51,040
And you've made the point, Brian, that we cannot have discussions by email.

942
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:57,580
Nonetheless, I think that what ended here was very useful.

943
01:45:58,160 --> 01:46:18,120
And so I would ask that if a member of the sport or an alternate has an idea for some legislation that says rooms should be all purple in the town of Northcastle, that's ethical, that they circulate that proposal.

944
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:22,840
And no one comment on it, but we all have time to think about it.

945
01:46:23,340 --> 01:46:34,940
The way, the way agenda items are, you know, the way we've dealt with agenda items is that, you know, two or more members, you know, can put something on the agenda.

946
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:38,660
What's that?

947
01:46:39,220 --> 01:46:41,000
I'll talk to you later. One.

948
01:46:42,140 --> 01:46:43,060
any member?

949
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:09,920
Yeah, give me a second because I just saw it.

950
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:15,240
That's a motion for two.

951
01:47:38,990 --> 01:47:39,590
Yeah,

952
01:47:40,350 --> 01:47:48,890
give me more time, but we'll make this up at the next meeting. Anyway, do you have a

953
01:47:48,890 --> 01:47:56,490
problem with the concept that folks, namely if a member or alternate on this board wants

954
01:47:56,490 --> 01:48:01,610
the room page in purple, but they draft that and no discussion.

955
01:48:02,090 --> 01:48:09,930
Yeah, the way that my practice over the last couple of years is that we can share information

956
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:23,010
but not debate things, and that is essential to, I think, an effective way to run a board

957
01:48:23,010 --> 01:48:27,450
and still comply with the state's open meeting laws.

958
01:48:27,650 --> 01:48:30,010
Because once you start discussing things,

959
01:48:30,430 --> 01:48:34,830
and gosh, we all know that probably the worst way

960
01:48:34,830 --> 01:48:36,830
to come to an agreement is through texting.

961
01:48:37,550 --> 01:48:40,350
And the next worst way to come to an agreement

962
01:48:40,350 --> 01:48:41,390
is through email.

963
01:48:42,010 --> 01:48:45,290
And the third worst way is through Zoom.

964
01:48:46,010 --> 01:48:49,450
And the best way is when everybody's present

965
01:48:49,450 --> 01:48:55,230
and everybody is presented with the same amount of information.

966
01:48:55,570 --> 01:49:02,450
So you can send in informative information to the...

967
01:49:04,030 --> 01:49:11,610
I would recommend that it go to the chair with a request to circulate it to the board.

968
01:49:11,790 --> 01:49:12,630
This is information.

969
01:49:12,630 --> 01:49:22,510
For example, I pull up five code sections that I've found on different boards of ethics

970
01:49:22,510 --> 01:49:28,090
throughout the state and throughout the region, which will inform the discussion that we're

971
01:49:28,090 --> 01:49:29,370
going to have at the next meeting.

972
01:49:29,770 --> 01:49:36,510
I would send all that around for FYI and for consideration in advance of our next

973
01:49:36,510 --> 01:49:36,850
meeting.

974
01:49:36,850 --> 01:49:44,910
It would be inappropriate for somebody to say, hey, that third provision is terrible because X, Y, and Z.

975
01:49:45,590 --> 01:49:54,690
And we've been really good at doing that. And I think that is, you know, a hallmark of an effective board.

976
01:49:55,390 --> 01:50:05,610
So I agree with you. And my point that I raised in response to yours is I thought that it was language.

977
01:50:05,610 --> 01:50:11,310
And I still believe that it is language that is in the town code and that we should take

978
01:50:11,310 --> 01:50:18,670
it up as an amendment or a clarification of the code of ethics and not deal with it as

979
01:50:19,590 --> 01:50:23,030
an amendment to our internal guidelines.

980
01:50:23,290 --> 01:50:26,390
But again, that's for a subsequent meeting.

981
01:50:26,770 --> 01:50:33,910
And if we want to circulate language, the problem with circulating language is that

982
01:50:33,910 --> 01:50:41,430
If one person circulates language, does that prohibit somebody else from circulating additional

983
01:50:41,430 --> 01:50:46,530
language or reacting to that language with different language?

984
01:50:46,750 --> 01:50:53,870
And that gets to be a discussion that happens by email, effectively a discussion, you know,

985
01:50:53,930 --> 01:50:55,110
by changing the language.

986
01:50:55,110 --> 01:51:06,950
So what I'm proposing is that if anyone here has a call with respect to legislation or internal guidelines

987
01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:15,550
or a subject that should be discussed by the board of ethics, that you write a cryptic memo

988
01:51:15,550 --> 01:51:24,490
or if it's a cryptic piece of legislation, write that so that we all can think about it.

989
01:51:25,590 --> 01:51:26,810
And nothing more.

990
01:51:28,860 --> 01:51:35,040
There should not be something back saying, oh, I would change this phrase or that phrase.

991
01:51:35,440 --> 01:51:41,120
It's a starting point for a discussion which will take place only at the meeting.

992
01:51:42,380 --> 01:51:53,620
I would think that the topic is what should be circulated, not race to get the first language

993
01:51:53,620 --> 01:52:05,100
out there that will be the discussion point for the meeting because, you know, I've circulated

994
01:52:05,100 --> 01:52:14,700
drafts and you come to the meeting with your own draft and you know that's it's

995
01:52:14,700 --> 01:52:24,140
really difficult to do both I think that you and maybe I'm at fault on this but

996
01:52:24,140 --> 01:52:32,820
the discussion should be at a minimum conceptual to flag it for people and you

997
01:52:32,820 --> 01:52:42,160
You know, it's a balancing act to try and, you know, put a lot of substance out there and still say this is all subject for discussion.

998
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:55,740
Please come with your comments. And if your comments are this thing needs to be trashed and replaced in its entirety. Here's my recommendation. So be it.

999
01:53:00,700 --> 01:53:08,120
I think it's more appropriate and more effective to do what I did, and that giving a specific

1000
01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:14,720
language rather than just a topic, what would be the purpose in giving the topic that specific

1001
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:15,300
language?

1002
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:23,480
It wasn't my intent to influence anybody or anything else, just for everyone to know

1003
01:53:23,480 --> 01:53:29,820
what my thoughts were in specific and then discuss it at the meeting okay well

1004
01:53:29,820 --> 01:53:35,380
we're gonna put this off to the next meeting yeah so that brings us to the

1005
01:53:35,380 --> 01:53:42,480
chair's report which I have training I'm leaving out I don't believe so I did

1006
01:53:42,480 --> 01:53:51,720
explain that I had a meeting with the supervisor to clarify who was

1007
01:53:51,720 --> 01:54:04,660
responsible for the legal opinion and as much as we're all lawyers that would require advice

1008
01:54:04,660 --> 01:54:16,260
to the Board of Ethics or advice to the Town Board from the Town's Council or Council

1009
01:54:16,260 --> 01:54:17,480
to the Board of Ethics.

1010
01:54:17,480 --> 01:54:22,280
one of the things that I've learned, even though there were a host of lawyers on the school board,

1011
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:27,200
is that when there were legal issues to be discussed, you've got a legal opinion,

1012
01:54:27,960 --> 01:54:33,800
and you don't have to agree with it. You can vote against, but we shouldn't be our own lawyers.

1013
01:54:36,360 --> 01:54:42,700
So, but that issue was mooted. That's part of my chair's report on that and

1014
01:54:42,700 --> 01:54:50,320
And moving forward, topics for future agendas, requests for information, date for next meeting.

1015
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:56,000
Anybody have anything other than suggestions for the date or next meeting?

1016
01:54:56,800 --> 01:55:04,620
I think we need input from new Jose because we're supposed to meet again before a public

1017
01:55:04,620 --> 01:55:05,120
hearing.

1018
01:55:05,300 --> 01:55:10,080
What is the earliest date that we can possibly have for a public hearing?

1019
01:55:12,580 --> 01:55:20,820
We're asking for a public hearing or that's our next step is presentation to the board.

1020
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:24,840
I thought you said we were meeting before we go to the public hearing.

1021
01:55:25,020 --> 01:55:26,580
No, there's two steps.

1022
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:26,980
Oh.

1023
01:55:27,380 --> 01:55:36,000
We've agreed on language that will be drafted to be presented to the board for acceptance.

1024
01:55:36,520 --> 01:55:36,900
Yes.

1025
01:55:36,900 --> 01:55:44,680
Once they accept our proposed amendments, then they will schedule a hearing.

1026
01:55:45,020 --> 01:55:51,360
So we have to be on the agenda to accept the language that we're proposing.

1027
01:55:52,220 --> 01:56:01,300
And that can happen at the 19th, which is the next, wait, check that, the 12th.

1028
01:56:01,300 --> 01:56:03,780
The 12th is the meeting.

1029
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:04,280
Right.

1030
01:56:04,280 --> 01:56:19,500
But that is the first date that the board can possibly accept our language. And then your question is, what's the likelihood of them scheduling a public hearing?

1031
01:56:19,660 --> 01:56:24,220
The earliest date they might because we need to meet before that. That's what I'm asking. Okay.

1032
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:37,160
The next meeting, and I'm not, I can't guarantee that I can get this to the board in the next day or so in order to get on the agenda for the 12th to have it accepted.

1033
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:47,500
Yeah, so what's the schedule of the next town board meeting after that is the 26th.

1034
01:56:47,500 --> 01:57:04,620
That's also an expansion of the same, I'm not sure they can't speak for the whole town board, but I would want, I think it's important to have more than one public, or extend the public hearing to more than one.

1035
01:57:04,860 --> 01:57:06,780
I said that last town board meeting.

1036
01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:09,660
But I don't know what will happen.

1037
01:57:09,660 --> 01:57:28,640
Um, you can submit it and it's not, it's not to quibble, but I think it's receiving it, you know, we have, whatever the ministerial act, correct kind of. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's some discretion, even as to whether we receive things, but obviously it would be received and then schedule public hearings.

1038
01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:38,580
At the work session, there was a consensus by the board, I believe, the town board that

1039
01:57:38,580 --> 01:57:45,640
it be scheduled in a way that would assure that it would become effective before this

1040
01:57:45,640 --> 01:57:47,000
November election cycle.

1041
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:59,180
And they've talked about, oh, if we accept it, if you submit it by the 5th and we accept

1042
01:57:59,180 --> 01:58:07,860
it on the 12th, they talked about the possibility of a public hearing on the 26th, which I think

1043
01:58:07,860 --> 01:58:10,820
is unlikely given, you know, other people.

1044
01:58:10,820 --> 01:58:12,360
That might be a bit ambitious at this point.

1045
01:58:12,540 --> 01:58:12,640
Right.

1046
01:58:12,880 --> 01:58:13,180
I agree.

1047
01:58:13,180 --> 01:58:16,900
Listen, you folks have to decide, but I don't see any real arm.

1048
01:58:17,280 --> 01:58:24,200
If you know you make sure you do whatever you need to get it in the town board for the meeting on the 26th, and then go from there.

1049
01:58:24,440 --> 01:58:28,180
Right. And then is the next meeting after that the 12th?

1050
01:58:28,900 --> 01:58:30,280
The 12th of March.

1051
01:58:30,280 --> 01:58:30,660
March.

1052
01:58:35,680 --> 01:58:41,040
Last year I had all the town board meetings on my personal calendar because that was essential

1053
01:58:41,040 --> 01:58:49,460
and it looks like, you know, I'm going to have to do the same thing for this year. Okay,

1054
01:58:51,500 --> 01:58:59,140
fair enough. I'll try and be diligent in getting this to one of those meetings

1055
01:58:59,140 --> 01:59:09,040
things or receipt by the town board and then we'll ask them to set a public hearing and

1056
01:59:09,820 --> 01:59:18,280
everybody is aware that this may be, you know, it's not, if we say let's do a public hearing

1057
01:59:18,280 --> 01:59:24,520
and they're concerned that there's not enough time, it's better to do multiple public hearings

1058
01:59:25,360 --> 01:59:40,960
rather than trying to find a time to do an hour and a half public hearing for this because I don't think an hour and a half is anything that the board is willing to give in any one fell swoop.

1059
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:53,280
It depends, but it doesn't seem, last time went through a few public hearings, it doesn't seem to, back a couple years ago, it doesn't seem to be as much disagreement.

1060
01:59:53,920 --> 01:59:54,160
Okay.

1061
01:59:54,160 --> 01:59:55,940
these things have been in the past.

1062
01:59:56,680 --> 01:59:59,700
So this is important somewhere other than public hearing.

1063
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:08,000
This is safe if we have a meeting on if people are available March 4th. You're not going to have a public hearing before that.

1064
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:13,600
Well, certainly if you don't request it before then. So that would give you enough time.

1065
02:00:14,040 --> 02:00:18,000
Yeah, that's it. Are people available March 4th?

1066
02:00:22,840 --> 02:00:26,180
I'm not available March

1067
02:00:32,710 --> 02:00:39,650
1st through March 4th.

1068
02:00:39,650 --> 02:00:47,440
I have a conflict on March 5th.

1069
02:00:48,140 --> 02:00:50,220
March 6th.

1070
02:00:56,180 --> 02:01:01,120
I have a 1030 commitment on the 6th, which means I have to be going on at 10, 15.

1071
02:01:02,080 --> 02:01:03,020
I'd rather do March 10.

1072
02:01:04,220 --> 02:01:05,080
I'd rather do March 10.

1073
02:01:06,700 --> 02:01:07,520
March 10.

1074
02:01:07,880 --> 02:01:08,520
Is that what you're saying?

1075
02:01:08,860 --> 02:01:08,960
Yep.

1076
02:01:09,260 --> 02:01:09,400
Nope.

1077
02:01:10,160 --> 02:01:10,500
No good.

1078
02:01:10,880 --> 02:01:11,180
Thank you.

1079
02:01:11,980 --> 02:01:13,600
This is the hardest thing we do.

1080
02:01:13,700 --> 02:01:15,380
I could do, I could also do March 11.

1081
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:16,460
March 11.

1082
02:01:17,240 --> 02:01:20,000
That only gives us one day.

1083
02:01:21,380 --> 02:01:29,100
before the market for the March 12th board meeting so right right are we

1084
02:01:29,100 --> 02:01:36,720
considering the issue of 333 Main Street February 25 he was nice so for the

1085
02:01:36,720 --> 02:01:44,100
26 so I think we should consider the fact 333 Main Street it's going to be

1086
02:01:44,100 --> 02:01:54,660
taking up a lot of town public hearing. That's why I am assuming nothing is happening on the 12th or 26th.

1087
02:01:55,520 --> 02:02:01,100
I'm sorry. The meeting being on March on February 25.

1088
02:02:06,990 --> 02:02:08,150
You're grimacing David.

1089
02:02:08,890 --> 02:02:12,990
Why did you throw out a date? I did. I said the 10th and the 11th.

1090
02:02:13,790 --> 02:02:19,830
the 10th works for me but but can we just doesn't that work medical thing okay

1091
02:02:19,830 --> 02:02:30,200
on the 10th what about the 11th which month will you end a mark and then we

1092
02:02:30,200 --> 02:02:35,580
just said that we wanted the public hearing on the 26th if we don't want it

1093
02:02:35,580 --> 02:02:41,340
the next we don't want it on the 12 or whenever the next March 26 is that

1094
02:02:41,340 --> 02:02:50,740
another, uh, town board meeting. Okay. Supervisor indicated they're going to have two town board meetings, two public hearings on three thirties.

1095
02:02:51,320 --> 02:02:58,780
No, no, that's February. We're trying to. That's February six, I think, for the public hearing. Okay. Why don't we set our date at March 11?

1096
02:02:59,880 --> 02:03:03,320
Great. Uh, let me, let me look.

1097
02:03:05,600 --> 02:03:06,300
Is that suitable?

1098
02:03:06,300 --> 02:03:06,400
Are you available?

1099
02:03:09,460 --> 02:03:10,300
March 11?

1100
02:03:11,080 --> 02:03:11,600
Yeah.

1101
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:13,180
March 11, what time?

1102
02:03:14,100 --> 02:03:16,480
Nine o'clock or 8.30 as you as well.

1103
02:03:16,840 --> 02:03:18,020
I can't do it in the morning.

1104
02:03:18,480 --> 02:03:18,740
Sorry.

1105
02:03:19,340 --> 02:03:20,700
I can't do it in the morning.

1106
02:03:24,110 --> 02:03:25,610
Ask a dumb question.

1107
02:03:27,130 --> 02:03:28,370
I know a dumb question.

1108
02:03:28,730 --> 02:03:32,650
I could do later in the day on,

1109
02:03:33,090 --> 02:03:35,710
I can't do later on the 11th because I have a flight that afternoon.

1110
02:03:39,040 --> 02:03:41,140
I can do later on the 10th.

1111
02:03:42,520 --> 02:03:46,920
Any time on the 10th works for me. I could do five o'clock on the 10th.

1112
02:03:46,960 --> 02:03:47,580
Is that okay?

1113
02:03:50,720 --> 02:03:53,980
My day isn't my day after the morning.

1114
02:03:55,120 --> 02:03:56,780
I can't make any promises.

1115
02:03:58,700 --> 02:04:01,460
I'm the head of a lot of different departments in my household.

1116
02:04:01,460 --> 02:04:10,230
How about Monday the 17th, St. Patrick's Day? That is the day I never go into the city.

1117
02:04:10,430 --> 02:04:12,130
No, that's fine.

1118
02:04:13,050 --> 02:04:21,610
Also your birthday. I think this is good. I think we should definitely do the nice meeting. Your first meeting is chair, your birthday, St. Patrick's Day.

1119
02:04:22,230 --> 02:04:22,730
Who can do it?

1120
02:04:22,990 --> 02:04:23,770
We have free beers.

1121
02:04:24,190 --> 02:04:25,290
Free beers is fine.

1122
02:04:27,630 --> 02:04:29,390
We'll bring you whiskey then, okay?

1123
02:04:30,450 --> 02:04:31,250
Is that 9 o'clock?

1124
02:04:32,790 --> 02:04:37,770
Yeah, nine o'clock is fine by me. Okay. Ethics board March 17.

1125
02:04:40,500 --> 02:04:46,480
Yeah, that works for me. Everyone else. Ed, you good with March 17.

1126
02:04:47,060 --> 02:04:53,880
Comment on your talent as a St. Patrick's Day lunch in that day at 12 o'clock. Well, we'll be here to finish.

1127
02:04:55,060 --> 02:04:57,100
I better be home by then,

1128
02:04:59,220 --> 02:05:01,080
9 o'clock. Yeah,

1129
02:05:03,320 --> 02:05:04,200
on the 17th.

1130
02:05:04,400 --> 02:05:16,340
And then we will try to have, obviously the public hearing for the 26th or the meeting after that, depending on the town preferences.

1131
02:05:18,280 --> 02:05:18,940
Thank you.

1132
02:05:19,400 --> 02:05:23,100
I know that was difficult, but it oftentimes is.

1133
02:05:23,100 --> 02:05:33,320
And that's something that is almost impossible to do by, you know, Penny, we have one more substantive item, which is the approval of the minutes in January.

1134
02:05:33,500 --> 02:05:34,740
And let's approve the minutes.

1135
02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:36,100
Well, we have topics in the future.

1136
02:05:37,800 --> 02:05:38,300
I like to it.

1137
02:05:38,500 --> 02:05:44,300
I already, I already said, does anybody have topics for future requests for information?

1138
02:05:45,120 --> 02:05:45,860
I have a topic.

1139
02:05:46,120 --> 02:05:46,420
Okay.

1140
02:05:46,420 --> 02:05:57,480
I'd like to have a discussion on the timeliness of the reporting of the minutes that discussed

1141
02:05:57,480 --> 02:05:58,120
with that meeting.

1142
02:05:58,580 --> 02:06:01,200
The timeliness of the reporting of the minutes.

1143
02:06:01,200 --> 02:06:03,260
Reporting the publication.

1144
02:06:03,840 --> 02:06:04,840
No, the distribution.

1145
02:06:06,220 --> 02:06:06,900
Distribution.

1146
02:06:09,110 --> 02:06:11,850
Actually, that shouldn't require much discussion.

1147
02:06:12,150 --> 02:06:12,250
No.

1148
02:06:12,830 --> 02:06:13,290
Distribution.

1149
02:06:19,710 --> 02:06:20,550
Okay.

1150
02:06:24,250 --> 02:06:25,090
Noted.

1151
02:06:28,090 --> 02:06:29,590
We have a motion.

1152
02:06:30,850 --> 02:06:34,630
By David to approve the minutes of January 6.

1153
02:06:35,230 --> 02:06:35,850
And I second.

1154
02:06:36,930 --> 02:06:39,290
Charity second. Any discussion.

1155
02:06:43,240 --> 02:06:44,680
All in favor of the motion.

1156
02:06:45,160 --> 02:06:48,990
That passes unanimously.

1157
02:06:49,390 --> 02:06:53,170
I have a motion to adjourn the meeting.

1158
02:06:54,210 --> 02:06:54,510
David.

1159
02:06:56,930 --> 02:06:58,030
We have a second.

1160
02:06:58,710 --> 02:07:00,310
Penny, will you second that motion?

1161
02:07:03,250 --> 02:07:06,630
I recused myself at this very moment in time.

1162
02:07:07,450 --> 02:07:07,990
That's fair.

1163
02:07:08,230 --> 02:07:09,230
Sue, are you second?

1164
02:07:10,950 --> 02:07:18,550
And Penny has now been sworn in as the alternate to make the motion on adjourning the meeting.

1165
02:07:18,830 --> 02:07:20,930
All in favor of the motion to adjourn.

1166
02:07:21,430 --> 02:07:21,650
Yeah.

1167
02:07:22,410 --> 02:07:22,950
Unanimous.

1168
02:07:23,270 --> 02:07:24,210
Thank you, everybody.

1169
02:07:25,610 --> 02:07:26,530
Thank you for that.

1170
02:07:26,590 --> 02:07:27,130
Thank you, Bratz.

1171
02:07:27,350 --> 02:07:28,630
Well done.

1172
02:07:29,470 --> 02:07:30,190
Well done.

1173
02:07:30,410 --> 02:07:31,450
Thank you, Bratz.