1 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:50,000 601. So, we will get started. Uh, I'm Sharon Reed, chair of the planning 2 00:00:46,559 --> 00:00:59,280 commission, and I welcome each of you to this our March meeting. Uh the 3 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:06,240 for the agenda item, the one public hearing that we have, there was indeed a 4 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:11,119 signin sheet out there, but if you did not have an opportunity to sign it and 5 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:17,640 you wish to speak during the public hearing, you may come and sign it now. 6 00:01:22,799 --> 00:01:28,920 just give us your name and your address. 7 00:01:32,479 --> 00:01:40,479 Now, if others come in uh and have not signed the sheet, it will be a public 8 00:01:37,439 --> 00:01:44,040 hearing and so they will be welcome to speak as well. 9 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,360 I just go. 10 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:17,480 If you all are here to speak during the public hearing, you're welcome to come 11 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,480 and and sign in. 12 00:02:20,239 --> 00:02:23,400 I'm sorry. 13 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,800 I don't have the sun. 14 00:03:10,239 --> 00:03:17,440 Good start. >> All right. Once again, I'm Sharon Reed 15 00:03:13,599 --> 00:03:25,640 and I will be presiding over this meeting this evening 16 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:25,640 and I now call this meeting to order. 17 00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:39,280 Uh, I wish to introduce Mr. Eddie Mazique. Mr. Mazique here is 18 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:45,040 our newest commissioner for the North Charleston Planning Commission and we 19 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:50,617 welcome you and look forward to your participation. 20 00:03:47,519 --> 00:03:50,617 » Welcome. Welcome. [snorts] 21 00:03:56,319 --> 00:04:01,000 I [clears throat] apologize. I'm sorry. >> No problem. 22 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:08,680 » As we begin tonight's meeting, uh we will 23 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:19,359 address the minutes from the February 9th meeting. 24 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:22,560 Are there any corrections to the minutes as published? 25 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:35,639 Hearing none, I will entertain a motion for approval 26 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,639 of the minutes. 27 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:43,919 Is there a second? It's been moved and seconded that the 28 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:49,759 minutes from the February 9th meeting be approved as published. 29 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:54,160 Are you ready to vote? All those in favor? I 30 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:58,840 » I. >> Those opposed? Nay. 31 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:04,840 » The minutes stand approved as published. 32 00:05:07,853 --> 00:05:18,639 [snorts] We have uh we're ready to move to our public hearing. 33 00:05:16,479 --> 00:05:27,039 public hearing for proposed reszoning 34 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:33,600 Dorchester Road. We'll hear the report from staff. Thank you. 35 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:40,603 » First item on the agenda is a proposed reszoning of the properties addressed as 36 00:05:35,759 --> 00:05:45,360 3913 and 3917 Dorchester Road. [clears throat and cough] Charleston 37 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:52,240 County TMS numbers 4115 00199 38 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:57,800 and 1 198 from O neighborhood office to B2 general business in council district 39 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,800 10. 40 00:06:00,909 --> 00:06:07,039 [snorts] property can be se the properties can be 41 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:15,440 seen here highlighted in blue on Dorchester Road 42 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:22,360 at the corner of Brisma Street and the properties are currently undeveloped 43 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:22,360 vacant lots at the corner. 44 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:32,960 As you can see here in the on the zoning map, the pink denotes the O, 45 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:39,759 neighborhood office. Uh, for reference, red is B2, general business, and the 46 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:45,000 yellow would be an R1 zoning district, which would be single 47 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,000 family residential. 48 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:52,319 Based on the comprehensive plan, the future land use map designates the 49 00:06:50,479 --> 00:06:56,160 subject properties as traditional neighborhood development within the 50 00:06:53,759 --> 00:07:01,759 mixeduse corridor of Dorchester Road. The mixeduse corridor designation is 51 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:06,000 designed to provide for commercial retail office and higher density housing 52 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:10,479 adjacent to principal transportation corridors throughout the city. These 53 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:15,120 areas are intended to promote the development of mixed uses that will 54 00:07:13,039 --> 00:07:19,520 enhance access to a wider range of services for nearby neighborhoods. 55 00:07:17,039 --> 00:07:25,120 Appropriate uses include office, retail, multifamily, and light industrial. You 56 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:30,000 can see here on the map properties highlighted in blue. The crosshatch 57 00:07:27,599 --> 00:07:36,240 denotes the mixeduse corridor of Dorchester Road uh as well as the 58 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:41,319 traditional neighborhood development uh in the the light green 59 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:51,440 subject parcels are currently undeveloped lots. You can see the photos 60 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:56,440 here. Public notice sign that was posted on 61 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:56,440 the properties. 62 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:05,120 The subject properties are surrounded by single family residential and general 63 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:10,800 commercial uses. The area is developed with a mix of residential uses including 64 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:14,479 single and manufactured houses. Uh while there is B2 zoning to the north of the 65 00:08:12,879 --> 00:08:20,840 subject property, a reszoning would introduce commercial traffic along the 66 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,840 residential street of Forceman Street. 67 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:27,840 Staff's recommendation is contingent approval. 68 00:08:25,759 --> 00:08:33,360 Given the subject property's location along a major transportation corridor, 69 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:37,839 the support from the comprehensive plan staff recommends approval of the 70 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:42,399 resoning from O neighborhood office to B2 general business. contingent upon a 71 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:45,399 combination plat of the two subject properties. 72 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:57,240 You've heard the staff report. Are there any questions for staff commissioners? 73 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:08,080 » I do have a question. You said contingent approval. Would you 74 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:13,440 elaborate? So uh the contingency would be that they need to submit a 75 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:19,680 combination plat that would combine the two parcels into a single parcel for 76 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:25,560 development and the the reszoning would not go into effect until that is done. 77 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:34,000 » But we don't need that to be done in order to consider the approval. 78 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:40,680 » That's correct. Planning Commission has the authority to 79 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:40,680 recommend contingent approvals. 80 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:47,080 » Okay. Are there any other questions for staff? 81 00:09:48,196 --> 00:09:50,216 [snorts] 82 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:06,000 This is an advertised public hearing and we have several people who have 83 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:12,880 signed up to speak. If you did not sign up, you are 84 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:18,839 still welcome to come and sign the form and speak to this resoning request. 85 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:26,800 Each person who speaks has three minutes. 86 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:30,640 Three minutes. And actually that's a pretty long time when you consider 87 00:10:28,807 --> 00:10:37,519 [laughter] you don't have to take all of the three minutes. Trust me. Uh we have 88 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:42,079 signed in and I cannot read your writing. The first person who signed in 89 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:45,040 Duke Street was >> Dan Sharer. 90 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:50,399 » Dan Sharer. >> You may come for Oh, I'm sorry. 91 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,880 I'm sorry. I didn't You are also the applicant, are you not? 92 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,440 » Yeah, I'm the architect and the applicant's here. 93 00:10:54,079 --> 00:10:56,399 » Well, let's hear from the applicant first. 94 00:10:55,839 --> 00:10:59,600 » Okay. >> Please pardon me. I I jumped the gun. 95 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,720 » Oh, hi y'all. >> Applicant first. 96 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:06,240 » My name is Kurt Weinberger and uh I'm the applicant. Thank y'all for u 97 00:11:04,832 --> 00:11:11,680 [clears throat] taking your time to review the application. 98 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:16,959 Um, I've owned a business in Charleston going on 32 years and I've heard some 99 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:21,040 talks of retirement up there and let y'all know I don't plan on retiring 100 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:27,279 anytime soon. I'm live and active in what I do. Um, I currently own the King 101 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:32,800 Bean Coffee business that is right two lots over from this property 102 00:11:30,079 --> 00:11:38,640 and uh, we've been there now for about uh, 15 years. 103 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:45,680 We roast coffee and we have a small retail uh roast store where people come 104 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:50,079 into the business and uh buy coffee. So [clears throat] 105 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:56,800 we've been hearing that um from the community that it would sure 106 00:11:54,079 --> 00:12:02,160 be great to be able to have a better way to buy brewed coffee 107 00:11:58,959 --> 00:12:07,600 by the cup more coffee shopesque instead of just by being coffee. And so we're 108 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:12,240 listening to the community and this is what brought about the idea uh to want 109 00:12:10,079 --> 00:12:19,519 to do our uh business concept on the subject property. And so we're all about 110 00:12:14,959 --> 00:12:24,240 community first and um you know I'm not going anywhere. I'm 111 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:32,160 committed to what I do. We're a local business and we just want to, you know, 112 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:36,800 do what we can to um just to maintain what we've been doing and 113 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:42,800 support the community. I hired a local artist uh to do a mural on front of that 114 00:12:39,839 --> 00:12:46,160 building about six years ago. And it's really funny because that the colors of 115 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:49,760 that mural, I don't know if y'all have seen it if you've driven by it, but 116 00:12:48,079 --> 00:12:53,600 that's actually our whole brand colors now in all of our packaging and bags. 117 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:59,600 and we hope to have that carry that theme over to the new property. So, I'm 118 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:03,360 real excited about it and I'm here to answer any questions that you all might 119 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:08,920 have. >> Okay. Do any of the commissioners have 120 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,920 questions for the applicant? 121 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:14,240 » I do have a question. Is there any objection to staff's recommendation 122 00:13:11,839 --> 00:13:16,720 about the combination of the two plots? >> I'm sorry, I didn't hear. 123 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,959 » Sorry. Is there any objection to staff's recommendation for the combination of 124 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:23,279 the two plots? >> Oh, the two properties that make this 125 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:27,360 up? No, not at all. In fact, you you need to do it to be able to have enough 126 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:32,240 space. So, that was what I fully intended. 127 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:35,560 » Any other questions for the applicant from commissioners? 128 00:13:36,639 --> 00:13:44,560 » Thank you, sir. >> Thank you. Once again, 129 00:13:40,959 --> 00:13:54,440 this is an advertised public hearing and we have those who have signed up. 130 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:54,440 Three minutes each and I go back to 131 00:13:54,800 --> 00:14:00,160 um yeah, I'm the architect on the project, Dan Sharer. And while we 132 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,920 haven't gotten real, really real deep into design, one thing I did want to 133 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:08,480 point out from the statement that the staff had was that we will not be using 134 00:14:05,839 --> 00:14:12,720 the side road. We will only be accessing on the onto Dorchester Road. So, our 135 00:14:10,639 --> 00:14:15,839 plan was not to use that. Such a small road. We don't we weren't planning on 136 00:14:14,639 --> 00:14:18,880 using the side road. >> Now, you're talking about the Forceman 137 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,800 side. >> Yeah, Forceman side. Yes. That's 138 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:27,120 » We will not That will be blocked off. >> Yeah. Well, our entrance our entrance 139 00:14:25,279 --> 00:14:30,480 and exit to the site will be from Dorchester Road. There won't be a way to 140 00:14:28,959 --> 00:14:31,920 drive. There'll be landscaping and >> no way to drive 141 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,000 » right >> to Force. 142 00:14:33,839 --> 00:14:38,800 All right. That helps. And so that's really other than that it's, you know, 143 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:43,160 we're still very preliminary. We just want to make sure everybody's aware of 144 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,160 that. 145 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:52,120 » Thank you. >> Again, this is a public hearing. 146 00:14:49,839 --> 00:14:56,160 Uh, and you all right so fast. [clears throat] 147 00:14:53,430 --> 00:15:00,639 [laughter] Uh, uh, Mr. Forom. 148 00:14:58,079 --> 00:15:07,199 » Yes. [clears throat] My name is Fred Foron and uh I've been 149 00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:13,680 both a resident of the community for more than 50 years and I currently own 150 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:19,199 property in the neighborhood. My family has property in 151 00:15:17,519 --> 00:15:26,399 um we own the property that is currently 152 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:32,075 next to the subject property. He also own property that is directly behind 153 00:15:30,079 --> 00:15:36,560 this gentleman's business currently. [clears throat] 154 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:42,639 In the past throughout the years, we've had an issue with drainage from that 155 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:47,760 property onto uh our property. It it hasn't it had 156 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:52,480 been corrected during that time. I'm not here to throw stones, but these are 157 00:15:49,839 --> 00:16:00,480 issues that were of concern to us as land owners. Uh we are opposed to 158 00:15:57,519 --> 00:16:05,920 anything that would bring business in the community that does not support the 159 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:12,000 community. It's been a longstanding community. There are people there that 160 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:18,720 are generational there and continue to live and do business. We are in that 161 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:25,199 community. We are in need of community support type businesses. I'm not aware 162 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:31,519 as of this date the n actual numbers of people that 163 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:37,600 support this business or that this business supports in the community and 164 00:16:34,959 --> 00:16:43,759 that is of concern. We are all experiencing 165 00:16:40,079 --> 00:16:48,000 um cases of revitalization as well as gentrification 166 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:53,839 and we really need to look at what we can do to preserve these communities in 167 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:57,079 our neighborhoods. >> Thank you. 168 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:05,199 » Uh Vivian Pedigrew. >> Yes, ma'am. Good afternoon 169 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:09,520 and thank everybody for allowing me to speak 170 00:17:07,199 --> 00:17:14,959 in Pedigrew. I was born and read on Mario Hill. 171 00:17:11,439 --> 00:17:22,400 Um I went away and went to college and came back. I have not built a home on 172 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:32,480 the property that my father encouraged me to buy. Um, I am also the community 173 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:40,480 vice president for our community. Our president died a few months ago. 174 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:45,520 As a community person, we have put on several activities in our community that 175 00:17:43,732 --> 00:17:51,440 [snorts] we have solicited the businesses 176 00:17:47,200 --> 00:18:01,520 in the community to help with. We did a big um kids fair with a health fair 177 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:09,679 and we could not get one business in our community to contribute $1 178 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:16,880 any activity that we have. We have community meetings the second Tuesday of 179 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:23,280 um every month. We have not been able to get any business in our community other 180 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:29,039 than a jump young man on Bonds Avenue to come to the community meeting. I'm not 181 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:36,160 here to throw stones at everybody and I don't know if these gentlemen were ever 182 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:41,520 told, but we at this point um I live on Barnes Avenue and this 183 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:46,960 morning I stopped a large truck that is not supposed to come down Barns Avenue 184 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:55,679 that came down and the gentleman was really rude and I told the business 185 00:18:51,440 --> 00:19:01,120 owner about this for so I I can't say what anybody else is going to do, but 186 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:07,360 for the Mari Hill community, we do not want to see any more businesses on that 187 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:11,360 area. We have small kids coming and going to school. 188 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:19,840 None of these businesses know anything about that. And I thank you very much 189 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:25,120 for allowing us to speak. I have our business uh community treasurer and our 190 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:31,760 community um secretary here with me. So again, we 191 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:38,640 thank you and we're not opposed to growth, but businesses at this point in 192 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:42,880 time, this community is very old. There's a lot of old people and some 193 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:48,240 little children running around and it would not be for Thank you. 194 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:55,200 Uh Shondaanda 195 00:19:52,640 --> 00:20:00,000 Shepard Bernell. >> Good afternoon. My name is Shondaanda 196 00:19:56,559 --> 00:20:04,640 Shepard Bernell. I am like she said the secretary of the Mari 197 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:08,960 Hill Civic Association. I am also a resident of Forceman Street. I've been 198 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:13,073 on Forceman Street since I've been a baby and I haven't moved. My mother 199 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:17,120 still resides. She's 95 years old. [snorts] We own she owns property not 200 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:23,679 only on Forceman Street but she owns property on Bonds Avenue. Um our family 201 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:28,720 owns property on Henry Street. Mr. Wineberger says that he spoke with the 202 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:34,080 community. I have not heard of anybody being addressed especially at our 203 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:39,440 community meetings about wanting another brewery 204 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:43,760 or King be another brewery or a place for coffee. If you drive down Dorchester 205 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:51,120 Road, all you really see and our communities are flags for tobacco, beer, 206 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:55,679 fab, and like Mr. Forom said, I think we need communities who are going to 207 00:20:53,200 --> 00:21:00,640 support our communities or and that are or our communities. If you look at our 208 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:06,799 community, we have one grocery store in our community in a onem radius. We have 209 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:13,600 no fresh foods, no fresh vegetables, no place for us to walk around just to have 210 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:19,280 sit have like restaurants that are accessible to our elderly. And right now 211 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:24,640 we do not even have a community center. So using this property for another 212 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:29,600 business instead of putting into our community center or a park for our 213 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:34,720 children, we don't even have that in Maro. So, you know, I'm not throwing any 214 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:39,200 stones, Mr. Weinberger. And, you know, I've never been at King Bean. I've never 215 00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:43,679 been invited, but I know that we tried to solicit some businesses and like Miss 216 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:47,760 Pettigru said, no businesses support our community. None of them come to our 217 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:51,840 meetings. They aren't here for our community. And this is our community. 218 00:21:49,919 --> 00:21:55,910 And at some point, we need to stand up for our community. And I think that is 219 00:21:53,679 --> 00:21:57,930 what we're doing tonight. Thank you. [clears throat] 220 00:21:59,919 --> 00:22:04,600 Miss Mary Patterson. >> Yes. 221 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:10,600 » Tell me. 222 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:23,360 My name is Mary Patterson and this is part of my community because 223 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:28,240 I was living in this community for 85 years 224 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:35,840 and we haven't had you know vendors like that and we was out like you said trying 225 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:41,520 to solicit vendors that help us with different things in the cage but nobody 226 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:49,120 helped. So we need really a playground for our 227 00:22:46,159 --> 00:22:54,400 children because that's what we bring to the other meeting that we have. So 228 00:22:52,080 --> 00:23:00,159 that's the most important thing I have to say. So I'm against anything like 229 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:08,720 that. I thank you. There are no other signins, 230 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:13,080 but if there is someone who wishes to speak during this public hearing, 231 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:22,760 the hearing is still open. Is there anyone who wishes to speak? 232 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:34,000 If I may add something, you know, I would like to while this 233 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:39,360 gentleman [clears throat] is here as a part of the community, I would like to 234 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:45,440 extend the invitation to you to attend the meetings, maybe see what we need, 235 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:50,960 see how your business can somehow cooperate with the neighborhood to be of 236 00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:55,600 some use to the neighborhood as well as be a business venture for yourself. I 237 00:23:54,000 --> 00:24:03,919 know you're in business for profit. We all are. But we are definitely concerned 238 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:10,080 with preserving not only our community, but businesses and services that can 239 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:17,039 support the longl lasting life of our community. As you can see here, we have 240 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:21,279 people that invested in this community lifetimes, 241 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:24,480 and we're not going anywhere. those of us who were rooted in the 242 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:29,039 community from our parents on and I'm 243 00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:34,080 » sorry sir I don't want to step interrupt you but I think you all can discuss this 244 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:39,200 after we've got to get through the agenda here and you just got a strict 245 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:42,880 schedule and we got to follow but you guys are happy to discuss it after it's 246 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:49,600 okay >> okay is there anyone else who wishes to 247 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:53,279 speak and and as he said all comments need to be addressed address to the 248 00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:57,000 commissioners. Is there anyone else 249 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:11,400 hearing? None. This public hearing is now closed. 250 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,559 Is there a motion? 251 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:24,159 » Recommended intent to approve. >> Is there a second? 252 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:28,720 » Second that motion. >> It's been moved and seconded that we 253 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:37,559 deny the request for contingent approval. 254 00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:37,559 Discussion 255 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:47,120 » is there discussion? as stated earlier. I I believe uh 256 00:25:45,817 --> 00:25:51,120 [music] because someone in the community, they need to get together 257 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:54,840 again and try to uh get this thing here and kind of hash out sometime 258 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,520 for [clears throat] it to move smoothly. >> Any further discussion? 259 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:05,360 » I'll say just based on the zoning, the reasonzoning does make sense to reszone 260 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:09,760 with for with the uh two. The issue with the community I do agree [clears throat] 261 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:14,000 with, but taking the project out of the equation, just strictly focusing only on 262 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:19,200 the resoning metrics, it does align with the uh with the general plan, it does 263 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:23,200 align with the current area. Um, but I do agree that the business 264 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:26,480 owners should communicate with the community. But again, taking that just 265 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:32,640 strictly out of the equation, it does match with current zoning 266 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:42,799 » to be open. Uh, I am a member of this community. I 267 00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:51,360 grew up in a little circle adjacent to Murray Hill called Jenkins Terrace and I 268 00:26:47,919 --> 00:27:00,720 have returned there and have been living there with my 97 year old mother for the 269 00:26:55,279 --> 00:27:07,679 last 20 years. Um, so I am familiar. I probably pass by your current 270 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:11,279 business every day that I go out. >> Should come in. Y'all should come in and 271 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:13,600 check it out. I think that part of y'all just walking in the door. 272 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:18,080 » Sir, let me >> I mean, let me make a big difference. 273 00:27:15,679 --> 00:27:22,640 » Sir, I'm speaking now. >> Um, 274 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:29,840 I agree that there needs to be more 275 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:37,840 interaction with the community. I also recognize your point about the 276 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:46,720 resoning. My my concern about the reasonzoning as I went through this and 277 00:27:41,919 --> 00:27:51,600 visited the area is that the 278 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:57,520 forceman street side I I do I am concerned 279 00:27:54,880 --> 00:28:06,960 uh and I did hear you say that there will be no access to 280 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:12,559 four street but I also So am familiar with the 281 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:19,919 I have been stopped several times trying to get to Dorchester Road because of 282 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:26,320 delivery trucks that cover Bonds Avenue that I can't pass at 283 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:32,480 that time. So that is a concern of mine especially as it relates to forcemen 284 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:39,360 because that is a a closeknit residential 285 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:44,320 area and there's not a lot of access from 286 00:28:41,679 --> 00:28:51,679 George etc. So that was a concern of mine and that's why I asked the question 287 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:58,960 uh to reinforce whether or not forcement would be um affected negatively. 288 00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:06,720 Um so that's my two cents. 289 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:15,600 Other discussions? Uh, Madam Chair, I I I do understand uh the 290 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:19,200 um the idea the feelings of of the uh people who live in that area and the 291 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:26,000 impact to their quality of life. It does not however sound like they are against 292 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:32,080 a business being there or the that they are opposed to the B2 zoning. They are 293 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:36,399 opposed to the type of business that goes in is what it sounds like. It's not 294 00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:40,080 that it it did not sound like from the 295 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:45,679 statements that were made that they're opposed to a business. They would like 296 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:52,720 it to be a business that is that serves the community. Um, and I know that as 297 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:59,279 commissioners, we don't typically take into account what will be there. or we 298 00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:04,399 just is it the appropriate zoning um that's being asked for and does it 299 00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:09,600 fit with the area and it it sounds like 300 00:30:07,679 --> 00:30:14,080 there's no opposition to a business being there 301 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:19,120 but the type of business is is the issue and that's not something 302 00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:24,559 that we typically rule on 303 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:31,679 » heard different people say I heard some people 304 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:36,399 say that they weren't opposed to the business, but I did hear somebody else 305 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:40,320 say that they did not want any business. >> So, no, 306 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:45,440 » I did hear that. I I may be mistaken, but I did hear that toward the end of 307 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:49,000 the discussions. Additional discussion. 308 00:30:53,919 --> 00:30:58,120 Is there any further discussion? 309 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:05,320 The motion on the floor is to 310 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:20,399 deny the recommendation uh staff's recommendation to approve reszoning from 311 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:25,919 O to B2. >> Okay. So the motion, 312 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:33,960 if you are in favor of the motion, vote I. If not, vote nay. 313 00:31:30,159 --> 00:31:33,960 All those in favor 314 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,919 » Mr. Felony. >> Mr. Crawford. 315 00:31:42,399 --> 00:31:47,200 » Hi. >> Uh, Mr. Mazique. 316 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:52,679 » Hi. [clears throat] >> Uh, Mr. Monteth, 317 00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:52,679 » I sorry, nay. 318 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,120 Miss Reed >> I 319 00:31:55,679 --> 00:32:04,799 » and Mr. Char. >> Hi. 320 00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:10,799 » All right. The motion to deny carries 42. 321 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:15,279 And this item will be forwarded to the mayor and 322 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:21,200 council with the next opportunity for public input at the public safety 323 00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:28,640 committee of city council on April 16th. >> All right. Thank you. That is 324 00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:35,120 the only public hearing that we have scheduled. Uh please note the actions 325 00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:40,799 taken by commissioners. Please note the actions taken by city council at their 326 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:45,200 February meetings regarding our recommendations. 327 00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:50,159 Uh do any of the commissioners have comments before we get ready to adjourn? 328 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:54,000 » Staff has comments. >> I'm sorry. has comments. 329 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:58,000 » Oh, okay. >> Hearing none from the commissioners, 330 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:05,440 staff has comments. >> Uh, you know, as I said last month, we 331 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:11,679 are kicking off the unified development ordinance uh which is the rewrite of the 332 00:33:08,399 --> 00:33:17,120 zoning ordinance uh for the city. In February, we had the kickoff workshop 333 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:21,600 with the project team to review the project goals and vision. Uh we toured 334 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:25,440 the city. Uh we went, you know, all the way up to the north end, all the way 335 00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:31,200 down to the bottom of the south end and east and west, all over to really lay 336 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:36,559 eyes on the city, uh see what's going on in in the neighborhoods. Uh we began 337 00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:42,159 discussions about land use and other issues needing attention during the the 338 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:46,799 drafting of document. Uh we will in March continue to meet with our 339 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:55,440 consultant team uh to discuss those land use issues uh as well as uh develop an 340 00:33:51,039 --> 00:34:01,039 outreach uh program to start uh the process of meeting with the community to 341 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:06,559 get that information uh that we need to be able to rewrite this zoning ordinance 342 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:13,520 and make it fit the city properly. And uh while the date of the public 343 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:17,200 kickoff is not yet fully set in stone, uh it will be scheduled within the next 344 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:23,599 month or two and the date will be provided as soon as uh we have that 345 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:29,200 mailed out. >> Any questions, commissioners? 346 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:35,440 » Okay. Uh if there is no other business to come 347 00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:38,440 before this body, this meeting stands adjourned.