[0:06] Okay, thank you. Alright,
[0:10] welcome everybody to the
[0:12] Community of the Hall Meeting
[0:13] for Wednesday, February the
[0:15] twenty-third, 20twentytwo. I,
[0:20] the mayor is not able to be
[0:20] here for this meeting, so I
[0:22] will chair it. Um, however, I'm
[0:24] told that he will arrive for
[0:25] the special meeting. I'll call
[0:27] this meeting to order. I have a
[0:30] motion. Moved by Councilor
[0:35] Noble, sorry. It's written
[0:39] wrong. By Councillor Noble,
[0:42] seconded by Councillor Massey,
[0:43] that the Committee of Members,
[0:45] oh no, that's the agenda.
[0:50] Okay. Do I, I don't have a
[0:52] motion for opening the meeting?
[0:57] You're reading it. Okay, I'm
[0:59] not reading these then. Okay.
[1:02] Good. Councilor Noble, go
[1:04] ahead. from Councillor Matthew,
[1:07] the community member The agenda
[1:09] of the Committee of the Whole
[1:11] on Wednesday, February
[1:12] twenty-third, 2022. Thank you,
[1:16] Councilor Noble. All in favor
[1:18] of the motion. Carried, thank
[1:20] you.
[1:29] additions. Yes. Sorry. Um I
[1:32] just last night's weather
[1:33] reminded me that I don't
[1:35] believe we discussed or passed
[1:37] a resolution where we can watch
[1:39] on Zoom from home and our vote
[1:42] would count. I don't know how
[1:44] we had to discuss that if we
[1:46] had to pass anything because
[1:47] obviously the federal
[1:48] government's doing it right
[1:49] now. So, I'm not sure what the
[1:50] what we have. Okay, so this is
[1:53] so in addition to other
[1:55] business. Okay, and what what
[1:56] would you like to call it? A
[1:58] Zoom Zoom weather bylaw? Yeah,
[2:01] sure. Zoom vote. Okay, we'll
[2:03] discuss that under seven Other
[2:07] business. Is there anything,
[2:09] any other changes to the
[2:10] agenda? Saying none. All in
[2:13] favor. Carrie, thank you.
[2:22] Alright, that click. Okay,
[2:23] we're doing this backwards. Any
[2:24] declaration of pecuniary
[2:26] interest and nature thereof?
[2:29] Okay. We're good to go. Uh
[2:32] under item number five, staff
[2:35] reports, we'll start with the
[2:35] community services department.
[2:38] Go ahead, Anne. Thank you,
[2:42] madam chair. So, I'm pleased to
[2:44] bring you our report for
[2:44] February and I'll start with
[2:47] the administration side of
[2:48] things. Um further to council's
[2:51] approval, we have just received
[2:52] the contract to enter into the
[2:58] registration and recreation
[2:59] software with booking. So, once
[3:01] we get that finalized, we're
[3:03] going to be implementing the
[3:04] new booking software and as we
[3:06] mentioned, I will be done
[3:07] alongside with our existing
[3:08] software to make sure that it
[3:10] is up and running and well
[3:11] established prior to switching
[3:14] we have scheduled the business
[3:15] and community awards gala.
[3:17] There's an error in the report
[3:18] I indicated September 10th.
[3:20] It's actually on Thursday
[3:22] September 8th. We'll be sending
[3:23] out an invitation to council in
[3:25] that respect. We also have been
[3:27] speaking with the Eastern
[3:29] Ontario Health Unit about
[3:30] reopening the community
[3:31] kitchens program. As you know
[3:33] because of COVID the health
[3:35] unit has redirected all of
[3:36] their efforts towards
[3:37] vaccination clinics. But now
[3:39] that things are moving into a
[3:40] new chapter we're hoping to be
[3:42] to reopen the community
[3:44] kitchens. We know that there's
[3:45] a dire need from small
[3:46] producers to be able to access
[3:47] those spaces. The health unit
[3:51] is also continuing with the
[3:53] vaccination clinics until the
[3:55] end of February possibly into
[3:57] the first week of March. But
[3:58] they've indicated that their
[4:00] train of thought is leading
[4:02] them to move to the health unit
[4:04] spaces that they have on a Nix
[4:05] Street. And that they will most
[4:07] likely be doing their
[4:08] vaccination clinics from there.
[4:10] So I think what they've noticed
[4:11] is that the have been dropping
[4:13] over the last while and that space would probably
[4:16] accommodate them better. We are
[4:19] in our last year for our geese
[4:21] mitigation program. As you know
[4:22] we had a three year permit for
[4:24] that process. We are going to
[4:26] be reapplying again for another
[4:28] three year permit hopefully
[4:29] from 2023 to 2025. As you know
[4:32] that's always contingent upon
[4:34] ah a review by the Ministry of
[4:36] Natural Resources. So we are
[4:38] very hopeful with the way that
[4:39] we've been managing things. And
[4:40] we often say this. This is a
[4:42] management program. Not an
[4:43] extension or extinction or an
[4:45] extermination program. There
[4:46] will always geese here. It's
[4:48] just a matter of making sure
[4:50] that it's appropriate for our population here. So that
[4:53] report is always reviewed by
[4:55] the Ministry of Natural
[4:56] Resources and they do so prior
[4:57] to issuing the permits. In
[5:00] regards to grant applications,
[5:02] Council was advised that we
[5:03] were successful in obtaining
[5:06] $490, 000 for the Hvac system
[5:09] for Maxville. Uh we also
[5:11] applied for the Celebrate
[5:13] Canada Fund for Canada Day.
[5:14] We're hoping to hear back from
[5:15] them in March. That's typically
[5:17] time frame that we get a
[5:18] response from them. We applied
[5:20] to the community revitalization
[5:21] grant for the skate park. And
[5:23] again we are hopeful to be
[5:25] hearing back from them
[5:26] positively in that respect. And
[5:28] ah we are looking at possibly
[5:31] applying to the seniors
[5:31] community grant. This year with
[5:35] South Glengarry doing something
[5:36] jointly as a Glengarry instead
[5:38] of going it alone. We have our
[5:41] health and safety meetings that
[5:42] ah we attend monthly for all of
[5:44] our facilities. Our next one is
[5:46] scheduled for tomorrow. The ice
[5:49] schedule, as you know, due to
[5:50] being closed in January, due to
[5:54] COVID. We have had to
[5:58] reschedule a lot of minor
[6:00] hockey and junior B Glens and
[6:02] Mustangs games. So, we've had
[6:04] to contact different
[6:05] organizations and shuffle
[6:07] things around. We've been very, proactive. Whenever we
[6:10] know that a team doesn't have
[6:12] the regular spot, we've been
[6:13] contacting them by email to
[6:14] remind them that week, that
[6:17] you're not on on Wednesday as
[6:18] per usual, because games were
[6:20] reshuffled. So, staff, I have
[6:23] to thank them very much for
[6:24] keeping on top of that because
[6:25] that is quite complex when
[6:26] you're trying to reschedule you
[6:28] know some seven or eight games
[6:30] that were lost during those
[6:31] periods in the two week period.
[6:33] So I know that I was speaking
[6:34] with the Glengarry girls and in
[6:36] one weekend one team had four
[6:38] games. So and that's extremely
[6:40] unusual. We also performed an inventory of all of our
[6:45] equipment. We did that
[6:45] following the capital budget
[6:47] being passed. And we wanted to
[6:49] ensure that all that
[6:50] information was available for
[6:51] the asset management plan. We
[6:53] are going to be proceeding with
[6:55] the removal of noxious aquatic
[6:56] vegetation from Mill Pond. I
[6:58] actually had a conversation
[6:59] with Mister Colby Nolan from
[7:02] the Department of Fisheries and
[7:03] Oceans about this project. And
[7:05] he has given me the verbal okay
[7:07] I'm still waiting for the
[7:08] letter of intent from them.
[7:10] Giving us all the fine details.
[7:11] But he told us that he's really
[7:14] pleased with the way the
[7:14] township has been been managing
[7:15] that program. And he also
[7:17] indicated that if we wanted to
[7:19] extend that program further to
[7:21] are July 15th date that we
[7:24] should apply for a wider permit
[7:26] and usually those are just it's
[7:27] basically a stamp of approval.
[7:29] It's just to let them know that
[7:30] we're proceeding with these
[7:32] this removal once we are out of
[7:35] spawning season with the fish.
[7:36] We also had a conversation
[7:38] regarding the pilot project for
[7:41] Loch Gary. And I was in contact
[7:43] with Mister Brendan Jacobs from
[7:45] the RCA who kindly supplied
[7:47] some information regarding Lock
[7:49] Dairy. So they wanted to know
[7:50] kinds of species that could
[7:52] possibly be at risk in that
[7:54] body of water. As you know we
[7:56] are dammed so there are some
[7:57] species that don't make their
[7:58] way down. And Mister Jacobs
[8:00] kindly provided all of that
[8:02] information to DFO. And again
[8:03] they said that they seem to be
[8:05] very favourable to that
[8:06] project. But we are waiting for
[8:08] the LOI for that project. Also
[8:10] we'll bring that information
[8:12] forward to council. We have
[8:15] been working on the tree
[8:16] distribution program Um
[8:18] Councillor Massey, myself and
[8:21] Peter Bach had a call yesterday
[8:23] on this project trying to
[8:25] determine how best to do some
[8:28] reforestation in North
[8:28] Glengarry. What was decided was
[8:30] that we're going to be able to
[8:32] capture some information from
[8:34] other parties that have done
[8:35] the same thing. So, we've
[8:36] enlisted the help of mister Ben
[8:38] DeHon from the counties as well
[8:40] as mister Pat Pitts from South
[8:41] Nation Conservation Authority
[8:43] going to be meeting here at
[8:44] Island Park on March 8th along
[8:47] with Mister Bach and possibly a
[8:48] few more volunteers to discuss
[8:51] one area in the township that
[8:52] could be really benefit from
[8:54] reforestation and how we could
[8:56] canvass some volunteers to do
[8:58] that day. So we have that
[8:59] scheduled again for March 8th
[9:00] at one o'clock. I'll leave the
[9:03] committee activities to our
[9:05] Committee Chairs. Regards to
[9:08] our events and activities. We
[9:10] have our Boys and Girls Club
[9:11] that started again once the
[9:14] COVID restrictions were lifted.
[9:16] We've already scheduled some
[9:17] ball hockey activities for
[9:19] Maxville and that will be
[9:20] starting in May. We expect that
[9:22] the ice will be in until at
[9:23] least the 17th of April. We've
[9:25] just booked the tournament for
[9:27] two weekends and that's a
[9:28] wonderful tournament that's
[9:29] area wide. We also have the
[9:33] fishing derby as you know that
[9:34] happened this Saturday and even
[9:36] though it was blizzard-like
[9:38] conditions, there were 900
[9:40] registrants to this activity.
[9:41] Usually Um they have about two
[9:44] thousand registrants. But we
[9:46] were limited to the amount of
[9:48] individuals. We worked out a
[9:49] safety plan with the health
[9:50] unit. And we had committed to
[9:53] not having more than 1, 000
[9:54] registrants to the activity.
[9:56] And what happened with that is
[9:58] due to a question of logistics
[10:00] the registration date had to be
[10:02] moved up. So there had to be a
[10:04] firm registration date where
[10:06] usually a lot of individuals
[10:07] were able to access the Fishing
[10:10] Derby here on location.
[10:10] Register that morning. So but
[10:13] still we consider it a success
[10:15] having 900 individuals. It's
[10:16] one of the first large events
[10:18] that we've been able to host in
[10:19] the township since the
[10:20] beginning of COVID. The
[10:22] Glengary Soccer League has
[10:24] resumed its activities also
[10:26] indoors at the dome so we're
[10:27] pleased to have that going on.
[10:28] As well as other activities
[10:30] like karate, the home version
[10:32] of the kilt skate. We are also
[10:34] pleased to be offering 2 days
[10:36] at camp for March break at the
[10:38] Tim Hortons Dome. Registration
[10:40] opened today So, the spaces are
[10:43] limited. We still want to
[10:44] respect the fact that we have
[10:45] COVID and ensure that we don't
[10:47] end up with larger groups and
[10:48] we can manage safely. So, we
[10:50] encourage anyone who wants to
[10:52] have their children attend
[10:53] these camps to contact the Tim
[10:54] Horton Stone and complete a
[10:56] registration form. Sportsball
[10:58] again has been very popular.
[11:00] It's being held on Saturday
[11:01] mornings and we had young Young
[11:03] ones. So, starting at three
[11:05] years old that are registered
[11:06] in that program and I'm sure
[11:08] it's going to be a repeat again
[11:10] for the fall. have our summer
[11:12] camp starting in Alexandria.
[11:14] We've already been in contact
[11:16] with the Boys and Girls Club.
[11:17] So the organisation of that
[11:19] activity is ongoing. And we
[11:21] have contacted Youth Unlimited
[11:22] about using the facilities in
[11:25] Maxville for their summer camp
[11:26] again for the twenty twenty-two
[11:28] season. The ladies volleyball
[11:30] is a great success. We have 10
[11:33] teams registered and that
[11:35] happens on Wednesdays. And yoga
[11:36] programming will be ongoing
[11:37] with another spring session
[11:38] starting in late March. In
[11:41] respect to our facilities, we
[11:43] are working with a local
[11:44] contractor to build the stand
[11:46] for the condenser. So, we're in
[11:48] the preliminary stages of that.
[11:50] We've actually contacted
[11:52] McIntosh Perry for some
[11:54] stamping of some plans,
[11:56] engineering plans. We were able
[11:58] to mimic some plans that had
[12:00] been used by another facility
[12:01] but they still have to be peer
[12:02] reviewed by McIntosh Perry and
[12:04] we're the in the process of
[12:05] doing that right now. At Island
[12:07] Park, we've ordered the new
[12:08] place structure as Council
[12:10] approved that as part of the
[12:12] capital budget. So we're
[12:13] expecting delivery in spring
[12:14] for that. In Maxville we did
[12:17] have an issue with some sewage
[12:18] drains freezing up. And we
[12:21] really appreciate the fact that
[12:22] Dean came over to see the
[12:24] situation with us in Maxville.
[12:26] And we realized that this is
[12:27] something that we're going to
[12:28] have to address in the spring.
[12:29] Uh there's either a slope issue
[12:30] that makes that the water is
[12:32] staying in this drain. And
[12:34] really freezing up. We had
[12:36] Capital Steam come over and
[12:37] they were not able to fix the
[12:39] and so what we've done is we've
[12:41] installed a sump pump but that
[12:42] is very very much a temporary
[12:44] measure and something that's
[12:45] going to have to be addressed
[12:47] in the spring. And the
[12:49] engineers are now working on
[12:50] the Hvac design system for
[12:52] Maxville. So in respect to the
[12:55] Tim Horton stone we had family
[12:57] day happen there on Monday and
[12:59] we put out toys that were easy
[13:01] to disinfect. We know that that
[13:04] activity or that event or
[13:06] availability of activities at
[13:08] the Tim Horton Stone was again
[13:10] very successful. Same as in
[13:11] Maxville. We had an inordinate
[13:13] amount of skaters come out on
[13:14] Monday for that activity. So,
[13:16] I'm thinking it was greatly
[13:19] appreciated by the public And
[13:20] we are also following up at the
[13:22] Tim Hortons Dome with the
[13:23] Farley Group. As you know we've
[13:24] noticed some deterioration of
[13:26] the membrane and we've been
[13:27] trying to get them to come out
[13:28] to piggyback on another repair
[13:31] that they have to do at a dome
[13:32] either in Ottawa because we
[13:34] don't want to pay for them to
[13:35] come out to look for the dome.
[13:36] That would be an inordinate
[13:39] inordinately expensive charge
[13:40] for them to come out. So we're
[13:42] hoping to be able to have that
[13:43] looked at hopefully tested
[13:47] before the spring. In respect
[13:49] to other activities you'll see
[13:51] that the economic development
[13:53] department has been extremely
[13:55] busy. We were able to piggyback
[13:58] on some video that was being
[14:00] done with the the storm at
[14:02] Dundas and Glengary Counties.
[14:03] They came out on Monday and
[14:05] Tuesday of last week. And we
[14:07] took some footage and some B
[14:10] roll in Maxville with some of
[14:11] our businesses and some of our
[14:13] facilities. And this is of our
[14:16] residential marketing and
[14:17] attraction that we are doing
[14:19] under the development and
[14:20] marketing strategy. So, this is
[14:22] a component that's moving
[14:24] forward very well. We also have
[14:26] the commercial gap analysis
[14:27] that's being performed and the
[14:29] firm is coming to our next
[14:31] Community Development Committee
[14:32] to present their findings and
[14:34] these are preliminary findings
[14:36] that are going to be reviewed
[14:37] by the Committee and will be
[14:38] coming to Council at a further
[14:40] date. The My Main Street
[14:42] program has started with Daryl
[14:43] Assuming the of ambassador for
[14:46] that. And as usual we keep
[14:48] forwarding any information that
[14:50] comes from government sources
[14:52] to our chambers, to our
[14:54] businesses And the other
[14:56] important thing that I have to
[14:58] mention is that Natalie's been
[15:00] doing a fantastic job when it
[15:01] comes to communications. You've
[15:03] seen her do some live shots. Um
[15:06] and posting them to Facebook
[15:07] and we're garnering really
[15:08] great attraction through this.
[15:10] And we've been having a lot of
[15:12] people following the township
[15:14] page. So I know that they look
[15:16] sometimes like you know little
[15:18] fluffy if you wish but what's
[15:21] important for us is that
[15:22] anybody who follows a township
[15:23] when they see pieces like this
[15:25] they also get information
[15:27] concerning garbage and
[15:29] recycling distribution. And you know road conditions or
[15:32] activities have that have to be
[15:34] postponed. So we're able to
[15:35] reach larger audiences. So we
[15:37] have to thank her for the work
[15:39] that she's doing right now. So
[15:41] thank you madam chair. That's
[15:43] my report. Thank you very much
[15:45] Anne. Uh Jacques can you please
[15:47] put the motion on the table and
[15:50] then I'll ask for questions and
[15:53] comments afterwards. I never
[15:55] thought I'd I'd say this but
[15:56] then we kind of miss Jamie in
[15:57] these times.
[16:01] Just kidding, girl. Uh moving
[16:04] myself seconded by Councillor
[16:05] Noble that the Committee of the
[16:06] whole receives report CS 2022
[16:09] dash zero one, the Departmental
[16:11] Workmat Work Plan Update,
[16:13] February 2022 from the
[16:15] Community Services Department
[16:17] for Information Purposes Only.
[16:19] Thank you, Councillor. Uh are
[16:22] there any questions from
[16:24] Councillors or comments for
[16:26] Anne? Yes, good. I just couple
[16:29] comments and just regarding ice
[16:33] fishing tournament. I was there
[16:35] so it was it was a nice it was
[16:37] a it was a day like we had a I
[16:40] took a video of it while the
[16:42] squall was coming down so but
[16:45] just to add on that like there
[16:46] was at least like it's a great
[16:48] event for Northern Gary and
[16:50] I've seen whatever could figure
[16:51] out is about 50% of outside
[16:54] outsiders. Mm hmm. Uh so that's
[16:57] a great we should jump on that
[16:58] train to promoted a little bit
[17:01] better. I think because they
[17:03] didn't really do a I know you
[17:04] said they were a bit late with
[17:05] the COVID stuff. But a lot of
[17:08] people didn't even know it it
[17:10] was happening that day. So so
[17:12] we if we couldn't next year
[17:14] maybe get in contact with them
[17:15] and I'm I'm pretty sure they
[17:16] would like us to promote it a
[17:19] little bit that helped them
[17:20] promote it because it's a great grow up for Alexandria
[17:22] and Glengarry. And also the
[17:25] three committee. Thank you very
[17:27] much Anne for taking that over.
[17:28] Uh taking see with really a
[17:32] good meeting yesterday. We did
[17:33] a Zoom with and they're
[17:36] going to Pete's going to talk
[17:37] to his group, the neighbors, I
[17:40] think, the friends of the
[17:41] Glengarry. Uh so they're
[17:43] going to enlist maybe a couple
[17:45] more committee members and
[17:47] invitation is out there for
[17:48] anyone, you know, discount sold
[17:49] if they want to join in too.
[17:51] Like, maybe one or two more.
[17:53] It's just that they would get
[17:54] more transparency to the the
[17:56] thing and also I don't know if
[17:58] you mentioned that. Tim maybe
[18:00] like on public horse when we if
[18:03] we adopt a green road to
[18:05] reinforest like on the sides
[18:06] and everything, we'd like the
[18:08] participation or just the
[18:08] guidance of public works, the
[18:10] road department just to tell us
[18:12] if there's any ditches there or
[18:15] you know, lines of so we might
[18:19] be knocking on your door just
[18:20] to give us a little headwood
[18:22] because we're the next meeting
[18:23] will be the process to start I
[18:26] think adopting one project for
[18:29] this year and then we're
[18:30] going to try to reline a green
[18:31] road that has been cleaned up
[18:34] completely to the to the gravel
[18:36] there so that's the plan so we
[18:38] might ask you for advice or
[18:41] something on that and that's
[18:43] it. Thank you. And if I may
[18:46] Council Massey will be doing a
[18:48] call out to volunteers. So
[18:49] anybody who feels like coming
[18:51] out to plant some trees. We'll
[18:52] let you know the date and time
[18:54] and location. Thank you
[18:56] Councillor Massey. I I'm really
[18:58] glad to hear that you're
[18:59] involving the the public in
[19:02] this in this initiative.
[19:03] Because it'll it people want to
[19:06] get involved in this kind of
[19:08] thing because it's it's good
[19:09] news. It's helping the
[19:10] environment and you know it it
[19:13] gives a really good message. Uh
[19:14] and and I think it would also
[19:16] be a good idea when you have a
[19:17] date for the tree pickup. If
[19:20] you could please let council
[19:21] know so that maybe we can be
[19:24] out there you know giving the
[19:25] trees away to the the public. I
[19:27] think it's be nice to see
[19:29] Council involved in that.
[19:31] Anyone who's available? Um I
[19:33] just have a two one other
[19:36] question with regards to Lough
[19:38] Gary and you said that there's
[19:40] a pilot Um for going on a pilot
[19:44] project with regards to
[19:47] clearing weeds there. So you
[19:48] through you madam chair, yes,
[19:50] actually that had been brought
[19:51] to council previously. Uh we
[19:53] had had a request to see if it
[19:55] was possible to make some
[19:56] improvements to lock Gary. It
[19:58] is a very small project. We're
[19:59] looking at doing about the
[20:01] equivalent of what we do here.
[20:02] So it may not look like much
[20:04] but it is so much more than
[20:05] just that. It really a pilot to
[20:07] show the DFO that we might be
[20:10] able to impact a certain area
[20:11] and possibly extend further in
[20:13] the future. And when we did
[20:14] discuss this with public works
[20:16] we had to be very conscious of
[20:17] the fact that we can't go and
[20:19] stretch out our resources
[20:20] beyond what we have. So if
[20:22] we're able to do this
[20:24] successfully and if it's
[20:26] council's desire to extend the
[20:28] area that needs to be cleaned
[20:30] up will have to put together a
[20:32] plan for that including you
[20:34] know staff costs staff time,
[20:37] possibly equipment because that
[20:38] means moving the harvester in
[20:40] and out of the pond. So, it's much larger than just
[20:44] saying, okay, we're going ahead
[20:45] and cleaning out an area. So,
[20:47] there's a lot of thought being
[20:48] given to this. Okay, good.
[20:50] That's precisely why I asked
[20:51] the question because I could
[20:52] see this you know, all of a
[20:54] sudden, there's an you need two
[20:57] harvesters and I mean, it's
[20:58] desirable to clean up Loch Gary
[21:00] if it all possible but you
[21:02] know, within we need, yeah, we
[21:04] need we need a plan for sure
[21:05] and I think it's important
[21:07] until until we do have a plan
[21:10] you know to keep people's
[21:12] expectations in in check so
[21:15] that we don't they don't think
[21:16] it's going to be sort of
[21:18] crystal blue water tomorrow or
[21:21] something. Okay, that that was
[21:24] just what I had in mind there.
[21:26] Any other questions or comments
[21:28] from Anne? So, through you
[21:30] madam chair if I may. Um there
[21:31] is going to be a communications
[21:33] component that's going to be
[21:34] accompanying the pilot project
[21:36] as well as the tree project.
[21:37] So, we realize that and we
[21:40] discussed that yesterday during
[21:41] our meeting with Mister Bach
[21:42] that if the Green Road
[21:45] Allowance is along a farm or an
[21:47] area like that that we're going
[21:49] to get that farmers involvement
[21:50] and we're going to be putting
[21:51] up signage there and we're
[21:53] going to be working with
[21:54] Natalie again to put out some
[21:55] press releases and to do, you
[21:57] know, some some photography and
[21:58] so on and so forth. Really a
[22:00] good sense of sensibilization
[22:02] campaign for that. And the
[22:04] thing the same thing is going
[22:05] to be done with Lough Gary.
[22:06] Just so the community does
[22:08] understand that this is very
[22:09] much a pilot project. So and
[22:12] you know when we know what the
[22:14] area is here at Mill Pond and
[22:17] it looks huge because it's what
[22:18] we see here. But in Lough area
[22:19] if you put it in reference it's
[22:21] a very very very small portion
[22:23] of Lock Erie. And it's to see
[22:25] what kind of an impact we can
[22:26] have. And if it's fees letter
[22:28] end. Very good. That that
[22:30] sounds like a good plan. If
[22:31] you're going to check to see if
[22:32] there are any weevils left.
[22:34] Didn't hear that. Okay, thank
[22:38] you very much Anne. Thank you.
[22:44] Okay. Next is the Treasury
[22:49] Department. Uh Brenda, can you
[22:50] put the motion on the table,
[22:52] please?
[22:59] TR 2022 dash seven, the
[23:01] Departmental Work Plan Update,
[23:02] February 2022. From the
[23:05] treasury department for
[23:06] information purposes only.
[23:07] Thank you. Go ahead, Kim.
[23:10] Welcome. Um building
[23:12] assessments are now complete
[23:14] and the information is being
[23:15] formatted to upload into the
[23:16] city wide software. Along with
[23:18] this, the bridge culvert and
[23:20] roads meet studies will also be
[23:22] put into that asset management
[23:24] software and not only that,
[23:27] we're going to upload the
[23:28] entire studies. There is a way
[23:31] to do it. I don't know yet how.
[23:33] but that way we have a central
[23:34] storage for all our asset
[23:35] information. This will also
[23:38] assist with capital budgeting
[23:39] hopefully for 2023. We have a
[23:41] county representative who's
[23:43] coming down for a day in March.
[23:44] And she's going to assist
[23:46] myself, the director of public
[23:47] works, and the public works
[23:49] assistant. That's your title.
[23:52] Anyways, with getting some of
[23:53] this information into the
[23:54] software. Uh tax collection
[23:57] remains very good. Uh your
[23:59] report says there's nine
[24:00] properties still in the process
[24:01] for tendering. This is now down
[24:03] to six. We had three of those
[24:05] customers pay this week and we
[24:07] had another one pay last Friday
[24:09] and the four of them totaled
[24:11] 7-eight thousand dollars. So,
[24:13] it's coming along. We also have
[24:15] three tenders that are planned
[24:17] to be opened on March 17th for
[24:19] three properties. Uh and on a
[24:22] date eight additional
[24:23] properties will be starting the
[24:25] process soon. It takes about a
[24:26] year for it to go through but
[24:28] we're starting on eight more.
[24:30] Uh the municipal audit is
[24:31] taking place from February 28th
[24:33] to March 11th. So, the treasury
[24:35] department and other
[24:36] departments that are involved
[24:37] in the audit have been getting
[24:38] all the documentation ready for
[24:39] the auditors. Um This is so we
[24:42] have our year end earlier than
[24:43] we have in the past couple of
[24:45] years. I know there was one
[24:46] year when we got our financial
[24:47] statements in October and it
[24:48] made it difficult to manage
[24:50] because the financials were not
[24:51] rolled into the next year. So
[24:53] it will be earlier this year.
[24:56] Uh the Department's planning
[24:57] for two new policies for 2022.
[24:59] We'll see how that goes. And
[25:00] the remainder of the items on
[25:03] this report are basically
[25:04] normal operations for the
[25:06] Treasury Department. So my
[25:07] report looks very small
[25:08] compared to Anne's. I'm I'm not going to ask the
[25:14] question. And and he thank you
[25:17] Kim. You're welcome. Thank you.
[25:18] We know you work hard. Don't
[25:19] worry. It's okay. No. I know
[25:20] you work. Just like. Okay I got
[25:22] two paragraphs.
[25:27] Uh questions or comments from
[25:29] council? Look at, you answered
[25:34] all the, all the questions in
[25:35] those paragraphs as well. Thank
[25:37] you, Council. Thank you very
[25:38] much. Alright, you've all heard
[25:40] the motion. Uh, all in favor of
[25:43] the motion? Carried, thank you.
[25:47] Alright, we're onto sea
[25:50] building, planning, and bylaw
[25:51] departments. Councillor
[25:55] Manally, please put the motion
[25:57] on the table. Thank you, Deputy
[25:58] Mayor. Moving myself, seconded
[25:59] by Councilor Madden that the
[26:01] committee of the poll receives
[26:02] report BP 2022 dash zero six.
[26:05] The Department of Work Plan
[26:07] Update, February 2022 and the
[26:10] building by law and planning
[26:12] department for information
[26:14] purposes only. Thank you. 'em.
[26:16] Thank you, mister PD Mayor. So,
[26:20] what's new? So, the first one,
[26:22] hiring of the administrative
[26:23] assistant. As you know, there's
[26:26] been a bit of a staffing change
[26:27] in the department. So, we've
[26:30] come to an agreement with the
[26:30] counties to get Peter Young to
[26:33] work with us to do the biggest,
[26:35] I guess the the big planning
[26:38] files and we're in the process
[26:39] of hiring a new admin assistant
[26:41] for so Chantal moved. She she
[26:44] took the the planning aspect of
[26:45] the of the department. So,
[26:47] we're hiring a new admin
[26:48] assistant to help building and
[26:50] bylaw. We've had some very good
[26:52] applicants so this will be
[26:55] continued in the next in the
[26:56] next week I guess. Uh Maxville
[26:59] Projects who as you know we've
[27:01] been working alongside with
[27:03] Waterworks and a lot with the
[27:06] plumbers in Maxville to know
[27:07] when the when the remainder of
[27:09] the properties are being
[27:10] connected so we can go and do
[27:13] the inspection right away. Uh
[27:14] so there's no backlog in there.
[27:16] We're pretty much up to date.
[27:17] It's just a question of getting
[27:18] everybody connected. Uh
[27:20] building permits. So a little
[27:21] update for for the of the year.
[27:24] Uh so in 2021, we have issued
[27:27] 250 building permits. And the
[27:30] value of construction of these
[27:31] permits. So that's not the
[27:34] actual money we're we're we're taking in for the permit.
[27:37] Sadly it's the actual value of
[27:38] the building. Uh so 22 million
[27:41] 455 Uh just to compare to last
[27:43] year in 2020. So yeah there was
[27:46] the pandemic and everything but
[27:48] as I mentioned there was not a
[27:50] real real big hit in the
[27:52] construction. Uh department
[27:54] last year we've issued two
[27:56] twenty-six permits for 12
[27:58] pretty much 13 million dollars.
[28:00] So there's a big increase
[28:02] there. We've been we've been
[28:04] busy. We see it. Uh most of
[28:05] these large sums come from some
[28:10] industrial development in the
[28:12] humans. So, I don't know what
[28:13] you saw. There's there's a lot
[28:14] of new buildings there. Dome
[28:16] buildings, stuff like that. Uh
[28:18] the vet clinic of course, large
[28:20] agricultural projects and a lot
[28:22] of residential permits. So,
[28:24] there's been especially late
[28:26] Last year and coming into this
[28:28] year, there's a lot of single
[28:29] family dwelling applications.
[28:32] So, that's going well. Uh just
[28:34] a little update on a large
[28:37] projects. Uh so, the site plan
[28:39] for the animal hospital as you
[28:41] probably saw it. It's going
[28:42] really well. Uh the structure
[28:44] is all up. Uh we did, we just
[28:46] did the plumbing inspection in
[28:48] there. So, insulation and then
[28:50] they're going to board and they
[28:52] got in touch with me to know
[28:53] exactly what they needed for
[28:55] their occupancy. So, they're
[28:57] looking at when they can open
[28:58] and stuff like that. So, I I
[28:59] believe they're aiming like
[29:01] April around that. So it's it's
[29:03] going really well over there.
[29:05] Um the fourplex on Saint
[29:07] George. So, Ron Theorez
[29:08] property, this is going to
[29:09] start in March. We just issued
[29:11] this building permit. Um
[29:14] apartment complex in Knoxville.
[29:15] So, the old school. This is
[29:16] also going really well. I just
[29:18] did the plumbing inspection
[29:20] over there and he's starting
[29:21] the drywall. Um so, IHA. I'll
[29:24] just talk about it later but
[29:26] basically there they're well
[29:28] into their sightline control
[29:29] development also. Uh and
[29:30] there's a Trucking Depot that's
[29:33] going to go this year. Uh just
[29:35] south of town here. Uh yeah so
[29:38] a lot of building permit
[29:39] application, large projects,
[29:41] and a lot of single family
[29:42] dwellings for coming in for
[29:43] next year. Um so by law
[29:46] enforcement there's not a whole
[29:48] lot new going on in the bylaw
[29:50] enforcement. It's really just
[29:52] complaints coming in. Uh COVID
[29:54] restrictions are starting to be
[29:56] very hard to enforce as you
[29:58] know. So we're just trying to
[29:59] keep up. Todd is working really
[30:01] well with the OPP so it's it's
[30:03] going good for that. Uh fines.
[30:05] Again, we didn't do it yet but
[30:07] we want to get some set fines
[30:10] for most of our bylaws. Uh the
[30:13] planning department, so for
[30:15] subdivisions, I mentioned, I
[30:16] think at the last meeting that
[30:17] the township was looking into
[30:19] doing some kind of a standards
[30:21] or guideline for subdivisions.
[30:22] So, we just had a meeting this
[30:24] morning actually with the
[30:25] counties and Peter wants to do
[30:29] something more similar across
[30:31] the county. So what he's
[30:33] proposing is he's going to to
[30:36] use some guidelines that
[30:38] existing some existing
[30:40] guidelines from other
[30:41] townships. And try to to to do
[30:45] a guideline that would that
[30:45] could be used across the
[30:47] county. So most of the planners
[30:49] seem to be on board. Um they're
[30:52] pretty much using the same one
[30:53] as of now also wouldn't change
[30:55] anything for them. So that
[30:57] would be useful. So we're kind
[30:57] of on the hold for that but
[30:59] this would be a good idea of
[31:00] that. For subdivision and
[31:03] foresight plans actually. So,
[31:04] the application would be the
[31:05] same across the county. So,
[31:07] it's with Peter Young over
[31:08] there. It's going really well
[31:09] for planning Uh severances, we
[31:12] have a lot of severances coming
[31:13] in but that again, with our new
[31:16] arrangements with the counties,
[31:18] this will be a lot easier for
[31:19] us as we pretty much just flip
[31:21] them to the counties at as they
[31:23] are the approval authority and
[31:24] what's going to happen is that
[31:26] they are going to put in the
[31:28] conditions on our part. They're
[31:29] going to send it back to us and
[31:30] we're just going to say yes,
[31:30] we're okay with or change this,
[31:32] whatever. So, this should be
[31:34] good. Uh the IHA project, so we
[31:37] have the presentation coming,
[31:39] Uh basically, they're they're
[31:41] well into their site plan
[31:43] agreement. So, they're going to
[31:43] present what they have now. Uh
[31:45] and the LPAT appeal. So, as of
[31:49] February 15, the appeal was
[31:51] finally approved. So, it only
[31:53] took four years, not bad.
[31:55] They're due for their next
[31:57] review coming in next year but
[31:59] whatever, that's okay. Uh they
[32:00] have to do their their schedule
[32:04] advert like tell everybody's
[32:06] like whose properties is
[32:08] switching. They have to let
[32:09] them know. And from there it's
[32:10] going to be official that the
[32:11] new OP is going to be in
[32:13] effect. And from there so
[32:16] that's that was one of the big
[32:17] steps we were waiting for to
[32:19] update our zoning bylock as the
[32:21] Rzoning has to match DOP. So
[32:22] now we're going to be able to
[32:24] update our zoning bylaw to
[32:25] match with the OP has changed
[32:27] with this with this appeal now.
[32:29] And that's it. Thank you Mister
[32:32] Excellent. Thank you, Jacob.
[32:35] Questions, comments for Jacob.
[32:39] Gee, you answered everybody's
[32:41] questions too. Just just, I
[32:43] have one. Come on. Go ahead. Uh
[32:48] just with regards to the the
[32:50] hookups for water in Maxville.
[32:52] Yep. Approximately how many are
[32:54] not hooked up. And and are
[32:57] they? Ten. forty-7 now? And and
[33:02] are they simply not going to
[33:05] hook up? Yeah. Are they just
[33:06] going to at this point? We're trying to get a hold of
[33:09] him. Some of the people we
[33:10] can't even talk to because they
[33:12] don't answer but
[33:22] I see. Why there's there's a
[33:24] lot of them it's like it's it's
[33:28] with the plumbers like right
[33:28] now also it's winter so a lot
[33:31] of them I know pretty much all
[33:32] of what's the street north of
[33:35] Maxville there the roundabout
[33:36] there? Campbell Campbell.
[33:38] They're pretty much all waiting
[33:39] on on the plumbers to do it.
[33:40] They're all ready to go. So
[33:43] that is the situation for some
[33:44] of them. So it's it's not
[33:45] always the land owner.
[33:46] Sometimes it's the plumber.
[33:48] Sometimes it's just bad timing.
[33:49] So. Okay. But that's it there's not a lot of complaints
[33:55] going on with regards to that.
[33:56] It's pretty smooth No, I think.
[34:01] Okay. Alright, I thought it had
[34:04] started. Okay. Um and then just
[34:06] with regards to those
[34:08] subdivision guidelines you were
[34:09] talking about. Yeah. Is there
[34:13] what are the advantages and the
[34:14] disadvantages of of having sort
[34:18] of a uniform sort of across the
[34:22] entire of SD and G. It's it's a
[34:26] as far as I'm concerned it's a
[34:28] very good idea because it's easier for like it's
[34:31] because you always get the same
[34:32] people if I can take for
[34:34] example like EVB and all I
[34:37] think. So they work for like
[34:38] pretty much four four
[34:40] townships. So if they would
[34:41] have the same guideline to to
[34:43] use for mind you the guy
[34:45] working for AVB used to do
[34:47] these guidelines for two of the
[34:49] townships. So, it's like they
[34:50] know it by heart and right now,
[34:52] there's just little things
[34:54] different from one to another.
[34:55] So, having it like the same
[34:58] actual document for across the
[34:59] counties would be good. It's
[35:00] and also it's just the thing we would not have to do with
[35:04] basically like it would just
[35:05] come to us all ready to go it's
[35:07] the it's usually the same like
[35:10] before it's being approved Tim
[35:11] would go through it, and if he
[35:13] sees, like what Peter was
[35:15] saying is, if one township
[35:16] wants to have something in
[35:19] particular in there, he would
[35:20] just add it for everybody. So,
[35:22] if this township wants to use
[35:23] that clause or whatever, or
[35:25] that particular cross section
[35:27] for a road or for, blah, blah, They could use that
[35:29] detail in particular. So it
[35:31] would be more, like, total
[35:33] document where you can use the
[35:34] LA five instead of A four and
[35:36] blah, blah, blah. So that's, it
[35:37] sounded like a very good idea.
[35:39] Okay, yeah, sounds, sounds
[35:40] good. And right now we nothing.
[35:42] So that's the hard thing where
[35:44] people ask us questions and.
[35:45] Yeah. We don't even know what to give them. So, that's
[35:48] great. Thank you. Alright.
[35:50] Thank you very much for your
[35:52] report. Okay, you heard the
[35:54] motion earlier. All all in
[35:56] favor. Carrie, thank you.
[35:59] Alright. Now, we're onto public
[36:02] works. Um oh, sorry. Who has
[36:05] got Councilor Madden? If you
[36:07] could please put Move by
[36:10] myself, second and by Council
[36:11] Winsing, the Committee of the
[36:12] Whole received report PW 2022
[36:16] dash zero four. The Department
[36:18] of Work Plan Update. February
[36:19] 2022 from the Public Works
[36:21] Department for information
[36:23] purposes only. Thank you
[36:24] Councillor Madden. Go ahead
[36:25] Tim. Welcome. Thank you
[36:28] Council. Um so, we started off
[36:32] in 2022 with a rocky start with
[36:35] Omicron. Um luckily with the
[36:38] fire department we're able to
[36:41] procure some rapid testing
[36:44] tests. So we rolled that out to
[36:46] each of the work sites. And we
[36:49] built stations there that
[36:51] automatically recorded as
[36:53] people did tests. Uh this was
[36:56] very successful and we actually
[36:58] caught a lot of false sorry,
[37:01] we, we caught a lot of cases
[37:04] that were asymptomatic. So,
[37:06] people who had no symptoms
[37:08] whatsoever, and if they didn't
[37:09] test, they would have just gone
[37:10] to work and spread it to the
[37:12] next person. So, very
[37:13] successful and we thank the
[37:15] fire department for helping us
[37:17] out to get those tests and we
[37:19] had really good uptake as well.
[37:21] It was a voluntary program and
[37:25] we had a good participation
[37:27] through all of the all of the
[37:29] departments and I thank all of
[37:32] them for for doing the right
[37:35] thing and testing to keep their co-workers safe. Um you
[37:40] can see the graph there, the
[37:42] uptake, and it's dropped off
[37:43] now. Um the we haven't had any
[37:46] positives for quite a few
[37:49] weeks. Um and we expect that to drop off.
[37:57] People are less worried about
[37:58] it now. We've also the people
[38:00] who have been positive aren't
[38:03] going to be positive again. Uh
[38:05] so it's it's going in the right
[38:08] direction and we're really glad
[38:09] that we got this out at the
[38:11] very start. Um onto the road.
[38:14] So the roads department the
[38:17] blade installs that were done
[38:19] in twenty twenty1 were very
[38:21] successful. So it's saving us a
[38:23] lot on salt, sand and grit. Um
[38:24] on the gravel roads especially
[38:28] and as you've probably noticed
[38:30] with our recent weather, it
[38:31] gives us a good amount of
[38:33] traction when you're on those
[38:35] gravel roads.
[38:40] we've had this isn't in the
[38:41] report because it's been very recent but our the recent
[38:45] weather we've had starting on
[38:47] Friday all of the workers have
[38:50] been doing fairly regular 12
[38:53] hour shifts with 3 AM starts
[38:54] snow removal they did a really
[38:58] good job just before Christmas
[38:59] making sure that all the
[39:01] streets were clear for for
[39:03] Christmas so everyone can have
[39:05] those those get togethers when
[39:06] they you know around
[39:09] restrictions. Um so the team's
[39:11] been doing really really well.
[39:12] And we really appreciate their
[39:14] work. so we also have we're
[39:19] moving on to fleet. We have the
[39:22] main problem that we've had is
[39:23] with the Maxville sidewalk
[39:26] tractor. Uh so luckily we held
[39:28] onto the old sidewalk tractor
[39:30] and that had been doing duty
[39:32] for us. Uh that tractor's now
[39:34] back in service. Uh and that
[39:36] mechanical issue seemed to be
[39:38] resolved. I think it was
[39:40] electronic actually. So that's
[39:43] all resolved now. Uh we have
[39:45] had minor issues with the
[39:48] tandems that is indicative of
[39:50] just our aging fleet. Um so now
[39:52] that we've approved to get the
[39:54] extra new tandems that should
[39:56] go quite away to alleviating
[39:59] that issue.
[40:03] than in actually moving on to
[40:05] water and sewer. So in
[40:06] Alexandria we had two breaks
[40:10] two water breaks, both on
[40:11] Dominion Street that we brought
[40:13] in we had to bring in some
[40:16] contractors to help help us fix
[40:17] that as well to operate the
[40:18] backhoes and excavate. Um both
[40:22] breaks were at valve stems. So,
[40:26] it's on there on their
[40:27] connection side. Um and both
[40:30] the teams responded. We didn't
[40:32] have any boil water advisories
[40:34] or anything like that. No no
[40:35] issues with but the guys did
[40:39] well to respond to those issues
[40:42] we are fine tuning the water
[40:44] dosing, sorry, the chemical
[40:45] dosing in the Alexandria water
[40:47] treatment plant and bringing in
[40:49] a consultant to try and get a
[40:53] an outside view of what we're
[40:54] doing and make sure that we can
[40:56] really optimize those dosing of
[41:00] the of the water as it comes
[41:01] in. We have a
[41:06] low chlorine them. Angela will
[41:09] go more into detail later. I'll
[41:11] let her explain it so I don't
[41:13] bungle it but but basically
[41:15] we're we're fine tuning the
[41:17] chemical dosing in the
[41:17] Alexandria water plant. On the
[41:20] sewage side the team has been
[41:22] doing a really good job of
[41:24] identifying Dean specifically,
[41:27] identifying and plugging leaks
[41:29] in the sewage system. So we're
[41:31] getting a lot of water
[41:32] infiltration with roots going
[41:33] into pipes and just the
[41:39] expansion contraction getting
[41:41] breaks in the pipes here and
[41:42] there. So, we CCTV those in the
[41:45] spring of twenty twenty and in
[41:48] the autumn and over the winter
[41:51] as well have been having
[41:53] contractors basically plugged
[41:55] the holes in those pipes and
[41:57] what that means is that with
[41:58] less water infiltration into
[42:00] the sewage system that eases
[42:02] the load on our On our back
[42:05] end, on our lagoons. Uh so
[42:08] that's been really good. Uh we
[42:09] did a 90 meter section. Um that
[42:12] was relined in the hole. And we
[42:16] plan to do more in twenty
[42:18] twenty-two. Uh we had a power
[42:20] outage on December 11th. Uh I
[42:21] believe we also had a power
[42:24] outage. I can't remember the
[42:25] date. Um that was very brief.
[42:28] Uh but the teams hooked up the
[42:31] generators and pumps that were
[42:32] needed to make sure that we
[42:33] don't get any backups anywhere.
[42:35] Um so it was really and a good
[42:38] test about emergency, emergency
[42:40] response. In Maxville, as Jacob
[42:44] mentioned, we still have 49
[42:47] residents who haven't hooked up
[42:50] for whatever reason, various
[42:52] reasons as we went over before.
[42:54] Um and the bit, they have been
[42:56] sent a letter that they will be
[42:58] starting to be billed in early
[43:00] twenty twenty-two. So, what's
[43:04] that? Um so, at the landfill.
[43:07] We had to modify the way that
[43:10] the the waste was the waste was
[43:14] sitting so we could manage it
[43:16] better in the future. Um not
[43:19] manage it better but just deal
[43:20] with the amount that we've got.
[43:21] Basically as the piles get
[43:24] higher it all needed to be not
[43:25] all of it but a portion needed
[43:27] to be moved and consolidated in
[43:30] one area. Um so that was
[43:32] completed early this year.
[43:35] moving on to drainage. Uh we
[43:39] did 53 kilometres of of drain
[43:43] in the twenty twenty-one 2022
[43:46] season. Uh sorry by the end of
[43:48] the season that is. Um oh
[43:50] sorry, fifty-three, yeah,
[43:53] 5-three kilometres of grain
[43:54] that would be maintained. Um
[43:58] thanks to Zoe's been managing
[44:01] all that and doing really well.
[44:02] Uh with the new bylaw that was
[44:06] introduced for the the policy
[44:08] of only accepting only
[44:11] accepting requests to maintain
[44:13] a drain before a certain date
[44:15] of the year is really going to
[44:17] help that. So we're going to
[44:19] have a much smoother year in
[44:20] the twenty twenty-two, 20
[44:22] twenty-three season, which is
[44:25] good. We look forward to that.
[44:26] Um And then onto rare. So rare
[44:30] has been doing well. Uh selling
[44:31] commodities as per the CIF
[44:33] pricing which included there
[44:34] for your reference. Um we've
[44:37] signed hazardous waste
[44:38] agreements in
[44:43] Sorry,
[44:43] we've signed some
[44:43] hazardous waste agreements so
[44:44] we can get subsidized for
[44:46] taking the hazardous waste. We
[44:48] provide that service to the
[44:50] community Um the next date will
[44:53] be in early April. Um the blue
[44:56] box regulation. Uh there's
[45:00] ongoing webinars and there's
[45:01] actually even another one today
[45:03] trying to figure out how
[45:04] exactly this transition's going
[45:06] to work. Um that will basically
[45:09] move full responsibility for
[45:11] recycling to the producers Um
[45:15] and there's certain thresholds
[45:17] that figure out what
[45:18] requirements there are for
[45:20] producers depending on how much
[45:21] that they actually how much
[45:23] they actually make. Um so we
[45:28] our next milestone for that is
[45:29] we have to register as a
[45:32] processor in late April.
[45:33] Basically what that means is
[45:35] that we're putting out we're
[45:37] going on a a database that
[45:40] tells these processes who are
[45:41] going to be responsible that we
[45:43] have a a waste sorting facility
[45:46] here and they may approach us
[45:49] to see how that can fit into
[45:52] their responsibility in the
[45:53] future. Uh we don't transition
[45:55] until twenty twenty-five So
[45:57] there's quite a way until that
[46:00] responsibility actually moves
[46:01] to them. We also have to repair
[46:05] some items for insurance.
[46:07] There's two exterior walls that
[46:09] still need to be done. That
[46:12] we're going to do this year. Uh
[46:14] we did get one successful
[46:15] quote. Um but it we if that
[46:20] quote is too high. We may
[46:24] actually do this in house. It
[46:26] is fairly simple work. We might
[46:28] have some of the public works
[46:30] guys join forces with rare
[46:32] there and and get this work
[46:34] done. that's pretty much it?
[46:38] Anybody have any questions?
[46:40] Okay, go ahead to Council
[46:42] Wensing, then Councillor
[46:44] Massey.
[46:58] Wow. Nice. PSA Mira Tim is
[47:02] really easy to read, easy to
[47:05] focus on. I suggest like that
[47:07] I'm looking at these exterior
[47:08] walls and I know where they are
[47:10] but maybe putting like a a
[47:13] blocker because I know I think
[47:14] people are stashing stuff on
[47:17] that wall and that white
[47:18] deteriorated like that. So if
[47:20] you put a stopper or a barrier
[47:22] before that ball, I think it.
[47:22] Ballards or something.
[47:28] Yeah, go ahead. And a few years
[47:30] ago, four, five years ago, I
[47:32] had the previous public works
[47:34] guide to look into buying a a
[47:37] screen to put on that fence.
[47:39] You know, just to block off
[47:39] because sometimes it gets
[47:42] disorganized a little bit in
[47:44] that yard. You would just block
[47:45] that view from resident walking
[47:47] by or something. You just some
[47:49] days look worse than other.
[47:51] It's just like a screen that
[47:52] you would put up on the fence
[47:53] and just, you know, you know
[47:55] what I mean? Like, yes, yeah.
[47:56] Okay. Yeah. Yeah, we can plant
[47:58] trees there.
[48:02] Go ahead, Councillor Madden.
[48:04] Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Um
[48:05] Tim, just a quick question
[48:07] about calendars. Waste
[48:09] calendars, information for the
[48:11] community. We have any dates or
[48:12] any info on when that's coming
[48:13] out? I thought that they were
[48:16] already out but I could check
[48:17] on that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah,
[48:21] they went a month ago. Really?
[48:23] Not a lot actually made it. We
[48:25] need to talk about
[48:25] communications to my house.
[48:28] Yeah. Just thank you.
[48:33] I I didn't get one either.
[48:35] Yeah, it's on the mail. What?
[48:40] No. They opened the website.
[48:43] Yeah. There you go. They were mailed? Yeah.
[48:50] Okay so but how, what, what
[48:54] happens if your tax bill is is
[48:58] paid by your financial
[48:59] institution.
[49:13] Does that come from you Kim? Is
[49:17] that, does that come from you?
[49:22] The final tax bill like once
[49:26] it, if it's No, so, so, how do
[49:31] we, how do we make sure we
[49:33] don't miss people? I guess is
[49:33] what I'm, is what I'm, because
[49:37] if we, if two of us were
[49:38] missed, in this small group,
[49:40] and you didn't get one either,
[49:41] then that means probably a lot
[49:43] of people were missed.
[49:52] all of your survival sorting
[49:55] and
[50:17] I'm also concerned about the
[50:19] fact that
[50:28] Even though he nailed it, he
[50:29] needs to go We're monitoring
[50:33] that and I I repeated it again.
[50:35] I
[50:39] Yes, go ahead, Councillor.
[50:56] Something. Yeah.
[51:01] not in not in urban areas.
[51:03] Can I can I make a suggestion?
[51:05] Sarah you can address this at your SMT, your senior
[51:08] management team and I mean
[51:11] maybe for these kinds of things
[51:13] we like a direct mail. You have
[51:15] everyone's address. A direct
[51:16] mail is the way to go. It's not that expensive. Go
[51:22] ahead.
[51:37] And they
[51:43] That's a reward they have. You
[51:45] have to have your where you
[51:46] work and your home.
[51:50] ah Just go ahead. Kim? What
[51:53] we've tried to do is for the
[51:56] letters that have come back to
[51:57] us without a peel blocks.
[51:59] Whatever email, whatever phone
[52:01] number we have on the table,
[52:02] we've tried to contact people
[52:03] but really it's the bonus
[52:04] responsibility to ensure that
[52:06] those efforts we have tried.
[52:10] and above and beyond. Yep.
[52:14] Okay. I I can confirm as well
[52:16] that those calendars were sent
[52:17] out in December with Canada
[52:20] Post. Jessica must be watching.
[52:28] Okay. Sorry. Who wanted?
[52:31] Another thing that I've been
[52:33] asking a few years ago, it's
[52:35] just that to maybe replenish
[52:36] their some of the people's blue
[52:39] boxes. Cuz some of them are
[52:40] pretty damaged. And I I know
[52:42] there's money in the budget for
[52:43] rare or like or something. Like
[52:46] I don't say replenish everybody
[52:48] but if you replenish 50 a year
[52:50] or something that denied it
[52:51] down a road. Cuz if you go take
[52:52] a road tour today and you look
[52:55] at the boxes. Some of them are
[52:56] like dirt tape. Like they're
[52:59] barely holding on. So that
[53:01] people would appreciate getting
[53:02] in with us again because we
[53:03] stopped it.
[53:06] Okay, any
[53:07] other comments? Go
[53:08] ahead. Yep, go ahead. Yeah, no,
[53:09] I was just going to bring up if
[53:10] we could, if we could do
[53:12] something, I don't know what,
[53:16] to help with Canada Post,
[53:17] because I have been to
[53:18] Hawkesbury. I have spoken to
[53:20] Ottawa. I have diggity as much
[53:22] as I can because in our part of
[53:25] the world, we no longer put
[53:27] mail in the box. And when I
[53:28] went to Hawkesbury, they said,
[53:29] oh no, we stopped picking up
[53:30] mail three years ago. Nobody
[53:33] mentioned that to us. Uh, they
[53:34] don't have to put a flag don't
[53:35] have to do anything anymore. Um
[53:37] neighbors have had to build
[53:39] second mailboxes because we
[53:40] don't stop there anymore even
[53:41] though we stopped there for 20
[53:43] years. So I'm just wondering
[53:44] since you're actually, I mean,
[53:46] it's one thing if we get mailed
[53:47] because he doesn't feel like
[53:48] coming down our roads and we
[53:50] only get mailed out twice a
[53:51] week now. That we can live with
[53:53] but if you actually have people
[53:55] who are physically telling you
[53:56] and I'm I know my parents have
[53:58] gone through it which is why I
[53:59] now drop em off in person. I
[54:02] mailed it to you and I mean, to
[54:03] get to anywhere in this
[54:04] community it doesn't take three
[54:06] weeks. And yes, they do go to
[54:08] Ottawa and even Bank La Kilmail
[54:10] no longer get sorted in Banklik
[54:11] Hill. So, is there something
[54:12] that we can do as our little
[54:14] part of the world to even get
[54:16] SD and G on board and say,
[54:17] listen, we have to address
[54:18] this. who are you asking?
[54:23] Anybody. Anybody. Connection.
[54:26] Well, maybe Councillor Manley
[54:27] can answer that. Council dealt
[54:29] with a Canada Post issue before
[54:32] at Lough Kerry. Um and we we
[54:36] used our MP Francis Dua. And it
[54:41] was quite helpful. Yeah. He's
[54:43] got a connection. He's got a
[54:44] connection there. Okay. That might be the that might be
[54:48] the route to go because it is a etcetera. So he was
[54:52] very helpful with with sorting
[54:53] out that problem. Well, I'm
[54:55] having a conversation with him
[54:57] tomorrow so maybe. I'll ask.
[54:58] Okay. Very good. Councilor
[55:00] Madden. Thank you. Uh just
[55:02] following Councillor Massey's
[55:05] suggestion about the blue
[55:05] boxes. Uh we might be able to
[55:07] manage a trade-in program
[55:08] pretty easily if they bring it
[55:10] in and give them a new one and
[55:11] that way we can actually get
[55:12] them disposed of and set of
[55:13] them trying to get them picked
[55:15] up forever. Yes. Uh actually,
[55:18] Jessica is pretty amazing if
[55:21] anybody brings their blue box
[55:22] too rare she keeps a list of
[55:27] people who have taken a a blue
[55:29] box and if you if you haven't
[55:32] been abusing the privilege and
[55:33] it seems that it's just been
[55:35] damaged through you know
[55:39] incidentals then We just swap.
[55:41] Yeah, we just swap it. Yeah. If
[55:44] there's anything that's just
[55:45] incidental damage, we just swap
[55:46] the blue box out. Um it's a
[55:48] different matter if you want an
[55:50] extra one or something like
[55:52] that but if you give us a
[55:53] broken one, we give you back
[55:54] the
[56:08] Yep. the mallet calendar. good
[56:13] idea. You could be sure that
[56:14] people don't know about that.
[56:18] Okay, I just have one question
[56:21] about we've been talking about
[56:24] having a a conversation about
[56:26] the rare plant in general, terms. Um because
[56:31] twenty twenty-five is still
[56:32] three years off. Is is that
[56:34] coming? Yes. Uh it's it was a
[56:39] little bit more complicated
[56:40] than I thought. So, it's
[56:41] going to be on Monday instead
[56:42] of today. Sure, I think. That's
[56:44] great. I just wanted to know if
[56:45] it was the conversation was
[56:46] coming. Okay thank you very
[56:49] much for your report. It was
[56:50] very enlightening. If if nobody
[56:52] has anything else. thank you.
[56:58] Um okay, so the, you've heard
[57:00] the motion all in favor of the
[57:05] motion. Carrie, thank you. Uh
[57:08] well, you I guess you might as
[57:09] well stay up here because I
[57:10] think, oh no, you're doing the
[57:14] Okay,
[57:14] thank you, Angela. Um
[57:17] Joanne. myself, seconded by
[57:20] Councilor Noble, that the
[57:21] committee, the whole received
[57:23] staff report, number PW two
[57:25] thousand and twenty-two dash
[57:26] zero eight, the 2021 Alexandria
[57:29] Drinking Water System, annual
[57:31] and summary report for
[57:32] information purposes. Thank
[57:34] you, Councilor. Welcome. Thank
[57:37] you, deputy mayor. Um I do just
[57:39] want to say that there is a
[57:40] small typo on here. Um I'm not
[57:42] just presenting the Alexandria
[57:44] drinking water system. I'm
[57:45] actually presenting both
[57:47] Alexandria and Von Robertson.
[57:48] You should have also received
[57:50] reports for both Alexandria
[57:52] Anglin Robertson separately. Um
[57:53] what I'll be presenting is just
[57:55] a brief overview and I highly
[57:56] recommend that you read the
[57:57] full annual summary reports. So
[58:00] starting in Alexandria, I'll be
[58:04] going over a quick system
[58:06] description, operational
[58:08] performances, critical control
[58:09] points, regulatory
[58:11] non-compliances or
[58:13] non-conformances, water
[58:14] monitoring and testing,
[58:16] auditing, inspections, and then
[58:18] impacting changes. So in the
[58:22] Alexandria system, it is a
[58:24] class 3 water treatment, class
[58:26] two distribution. We utilize
[58:28] raw surface water from the mill
[58:30] pond and we have a rated
[58:32] capacity of five thousand 616
[58:34] cubic meters per day. We are
[58:36] able to produce eight thousand
[58:39] fourteen cubic meters per day
[58:41] and the system is made up of
[58:43] the water treatment plant, two
[58:44] elevated storage tanks, two
[58:46] separate distribution systems,
[58:48] connected via transmission
[58:48] main, and four standby
[58:50] generators at all of our
[58:51] facilities to ensure that we've
[58:52] got operations throughout.
[58:55] there's also the distribution
[58:57] system which is comprised of
[58:58] 58. 8 kilometres of piping of
[59:00] various sizes and types.
[59:02] Isolation valves, pressure
[59:04] reducing valves, service
[59:05] connections, and fire hydrants.
[59:07] The chart below just gives you
[59:08] basic summary of how it's split
[59:10] up throughout Alexandria,
[59:11] Maxwell, and along the
[59:13] transmission, Maine. So for
[59:16] operational performances, in
[59:18] the raw water, we're only
[59:20] consuming about 30. percent of
[59:22] our raw intake capacity. We
[59:24] have an average daily flow of
[59:26] one thousand 707 cubic meters
[59:29] per day. That's a maximum of
[59:31] two thousand five hundred and
[59:33] sixty-six cubic meters. We've
[59:34] noted some issues on the intake
[59:38] where we we're getting
[59:38] sedimentation build up around
[59:40] our intake which has limited
[59:42] some of our intakes. Whenever
[59:43] we're pull water. We've had the
[59:46] area cleaned a few times over
[59:49] the last few years and we are
[59:51] looking at remediation plan but
[59:52] obviously, it's not as easy as
[59:55] going in and dredging. Um we
[59:57] have to contact different
[59:59] levels of ministry and
[1:00:01] government to be able to do the
[1:00:03] work in the mill pond. We've
[1:00:06] noted some increased algae in
[1:00:08] the summer months between May
[1:00:10] and October. As such, we're
[1:00:11] part of the ministry sampling
[1:00:13] program. Our highest notes
[1:00:15] noted residuals occur in July
[1:00:18] and September. Now, although we
[1:00:20] have it occurring in our raw
[1:00:21] water, we're not seeing any
[1:00:23] issue in our treated water
[1:00:24] which means our treatment
[1:00:25] system is working as designed.
[1:00:28] We have noted less processed
[1:00:30] water throughout the treatment
[1:00:31] process since our upgrades.
[1:00:33] There have been no major
[1:00:34] incidences. There have been
[1:00:36] some minor issues with process
[1:00:37] optimization and some minor
[1:00:39] issues with small equipment
[1:00:42] replacement. And there's been
[1:00:43] no major quality issues noted.
[1:00:47] The chart on the left is just
[1:00:49] or on the right side is just a
[1:00:51] summary of our flows that we
[1:00:52] pull into the water treatment
[1:00:54] plants. Um on a monthly basis
[1:00:55] throughout the year of 2021.
[1:01:00] on our
[1:01:01] treated waterside. We
[1:01:02] are currently at about 19.
[1:01:05] percent of our rated capacity.
[1:01:07] Our average flow is about one
[1:01:08] thousand 548 cubic metres per
[1:01:10] day. Once again, we haven't
[1:01:11] seen any major incidents
[1:01:14] throughout 2021. we had some
[1:01:16] minor issues with equipment
[1:01:18] failures but for the most part,
[1:01:19] we had backups or spare parts
[1:01:22] available on site for repair
[1:01:23] and remediation. We've had some
[1:01:26] issues with communication
[1:01:27] failures. Once again, by some
[1:01:30] small part issues. Um but there
[1:01:32] was no process function that
[1:01:33] was actually lost and it all it
[1:01:36] triggered was manual operations
[1:01:37] of different facilities in
[1:01:37] different parts and pumps.
[1:01:40] There's been no noted major
[1:01:42] quality changes And there were
[1:01:45] no adverse water quality
[1:01:45] reports during this time. So in
[1:01:49] the distribution for a metered
[1:01:52] water, Alexandria accounts for
[1:01:55] about 89% of our consumption
[1:01:56] worth Maxwell accounts for
[1:01:57] about eleven percent. We have a
[1:02:00] total annual metered just over
[1:02:02] three hundred and fifteen
[1:02:03] thousand cubic meters per year.
[1:02:07] construction summary, we did
[1:02:10] contract out all of our work,
[1:02:11] which was a COVID precaution.
[1:02:14] We had three water main breaks
[1:02:15] and two service repairs in
[1:02:17] 2021, which is down from what
[1:02:18] we would normally see. We do
[1:02:21] residual monitoring, which is
[1:02:22] mainly flushing. This is to
[1:02:24] ensure that we have quality and
[1:02:26] chlorine residuals out in the
[1:02:27] distribution as required.
[1:02:29] You'll see that in Alexandria,
[1:02:30] we've flushed just over 13, 000
[1:02:32] cubic meters per this in 2021.
[1:02:34] And Maxwell, we flu about
[1:02:37] 2-six. Just over 26, 000 cubic
[1:02:38] metres. Maxwell was a little
[1:02:41] bit higher. Obviously as a knee
[1:02:43] jerk reaction to the bow water
[1:02:45] advisory we had in 2020. We
[1:02:46] want to make sure that
[1:02:47] everything is operating and
[1:02:50] because we didn't have the full
[1:02:51] system online yet we wanted to
[1:02:53] make sure that our quality and
[1:02:54] our water usage was upheld. Um
[1:02:57] the different programs that we
[1:02:58] run throughout the year. We
[1:03:00] have corrosion control, spring
[1:03:02] flushing, valve testing, fire
[1:03:03] hydrant maintenance, and
[1:03:05] infrastructure renewal.
[1:03:09] Let's skip to the next batch.
[1:03:13] as part of our system, we do,
[1:03:15] as part of our quality
[1:03:16] management system, we look at
[1:03:18] different critical control
[1:03:19] points. So, this is a basic
[1:03:21] quick summary on critical
[1:03:23] control where we, excuse me,
[1:03:26] these are points in the system
[1:03:29] where we know we can have
[1:03:30] issues that would impact the
[1:03:32] treatment quality and it's
[1:03:34] areas we can actually supply
[1:03:35] control. So, in our
[1:03:38] sedimentation, we use our
[1:03:39] coagulant polymer dosing to
[1:03:40] ensure that we remove
[1:03:41] sedimentation. We only had one
[1:03:44] of dosing problems which was
[1:03:46] caused by maintenance. It was
[1:03:48] caught mid process and
[1:03:49] corrected. So, there's no
[1:03:50] issues in quality going out to
[1:03:52] the distribution. Disinfection,
[1:03:54] we apply chlorine gas, dosing
[1:03:57] adjustments are basically due
[1:03:59] to visual observations or
[1:04:01] process observations. There's
[1:04:03] some noted instabilities
[1:04:03] throughout the years at
[1:04:05] different times due to seasonal
[1:04:07] fluctuations. There's no
[1:04:09] process failures and most
[1:04:11] issues were resolved.
[1:04:15] descending
[1:04:15] out to the
[1:04:15] distribution.
[1:04:19] The next would be secondary
[1:04:20] residual boosting. Hey Angela.
[1:04:23] Yeah. Councilor Master Wilt
[1:04:25] says. Mhm.
[1:04:28] just before we get too far. On
[1:04:30] the previous graph you showed
[1:04:32] us, like I'm looking at the
[1:04:34] 2021 water loss. The water
[1:04:36] loss. No the the previous like
[1:04:39] yeah. So that that's some some
[1:04:42] instances it's about 25% of our
[1:04:44] total water produced. Yep. So
[1:04:49] it's something we should be. I
[1:04:51] know we've been working hard at
[1:04:52] it but that's a lot of water
[1:04:54] loss. So the water loss right
[1:04:57] now is based on our metering
[1:05:01] what we know that we use. There
[1:05:03] are some areas we can kind of
[1:05:05] build up on. Um there are some
[1:05:07] issues. We do have older
[1:05:08] infrastructure in Alexandria.
[1:05:10] Okay. So there are losses. We
[1:05:12] have started annual leak
[1:05:13] detection. Okay. Um there's
[1:05:15] always going to be a little bit
[1:05:17] of loss somewhere. We are we
[1:05:19] have brought it down from where
[1:05:20] we were. Um obviously we target
[1:05:22] to be under 15% but we're still
[1:05:24] just above that. Is that like
[1:05:27] I'm sure it's normal situation
[1:05:29] for older infrastructure like
[1:05:31] Yeah. Our neighbors. Yeah.
[1:05:34] Perfect
[1:05:38] Go ahead. So where was my
[1:05:42] rambling? Oops. Uh so oh yeah
[1:05:50] so other critical control
[1:05:53] points. So the Maxwell Booster
[1:05:56] Um this is where we
[1:05:57] reclorminate the water before
[1:05:59] it goes to the Maxwell Water
[1:06:00] Tower and then distributed to
[1:06:01] the system. Um you'll notice
[1:06:03] there's a small change in the
[1:06:05] trending on the charts after
[1:06:07] June 17th. This was a change to
[1:06:09] our trending and not a change
[1:06:11] to our process. It was just the
[1:06:13] way we were capturing the the
[1:06:15] numbers. Um Right now, there's
[1:06:18] no connection currently
[1:06:19] available on our transmission
[1:06:20] main, mainly because we only
[1:06:24] run the plant for about three
[1:06:26] hours being the booster
[1:06:27] station. So, it only runs for
[1:06:29] about three hours a day and we
[1:06:31] need the pipe for blending and
[1:06:34] chlorine residuals. So, right
[1:06:37] now, we basically have some
[1:06:40] chlorine degradation as it's
[1:06:42] coming into the booster and
[1:06:43] then we boost it higher than
[1:06:45] allowable in order to ensure
[1:06:45] that we proper chlorine
[1:06:48] residuals up into Maxville to
[1:06:49] be able to distribute.
[1:06:55] There's no real process
[1:06:57] failures. and then chlorine
[1:07:00] monitoring residuals. The
[1:07:02] charts so the second and third
[1:07:04] chart on the right hand side
[1:07:05] are are residuals at the water
[1:07:07] tower. So you can see that for
[1:07:09] the most part they were well
[1:07:12] above one which is where we
[1:07:14] would hope they would be. Um
[1:07:16] there's a few points where they
[1:07:17] may have come a little bit
[1:07:19] lower than desired but they
[1:07:19] were still all over our
[1:07:21] compliant. Like they were
[1:07:21] higher than our compliance
[1:07:22] levels. So there's no issues
[1:07:23] that way.
[1:07:30] Next slide. This is just a
[1:07:31] basic summary of our sampling
[1:07:33] results just to show you the
[1:07:35] amount of sampling that we do annually. Um there was no
[1:07:40] adverses apart from the sodium
[1:07:42] which occurred in I believe the
[1:07:45] first sample was in no late no
[1:07:46] mid November and the second
[1:07:48] sample was mid December. That
[1:07:50] has been since corrected as of
[1:07:52] January. Our sodium results
[1:07:53] were back to normal. Uh we're
[1:07:55] still not 100% sure what caused
[1:07:57] the increase in sodium. Right
[1:07:58] now it appears to the raw water
[1:08:01] source but we can't
[1:08:02] conclusively say this is what
[1:08:03] caused it. Um there was nothing
[1:08:06] that changed in the system
[1:08:08] process which is why we're
[1:08:10] looking more. The raw water.
[1:08:12] It's hard to go back and prove
[1:08:14] that it's raw water. It's
[1:08:14] something that happened two
[1:08:15] months ago.
[1:08:21] auditing an inspection. Um so
[1:08:22] we are part of a DWQMS system
[1:08:28] So the system maintenance is
[1:08:29] currently ongoing. Uh we are a
[1:08:31] little lax on some of our
[1:08:32] requirements that we are trying
[1:08:34] to bring up to date. Uh our
[1:08:35] main issues were internal
[1:08:37] auditing and the management
[1:08:40] review. So since this
[1:08:43] PowerPoint was made, our
[1:08:44] management review took place
[1:08:45] yesterday so we are good there
[1:08:47] and I'm in the process of
[1:08:48] preparing the internal audit.
[1:08:50] So we should be back up to
[1:08:51] Snuff. By hopefully the end of
[1:08:53] this month. Beginning of March.
[1:08:55] Um for compliance, we had our
[1:08:57] compliance inspection. So this
[1:08:58] is our ministry inspection. It
[1:08:59] was in November sixth. Oh,
[1:09:03] sorry, November 16th, 2021. We
[1:09:06] had a 92% risk rating which is
[1:09:08] down from previous years. Most
[1:09:10] of our compliance issues were
[1:09:12] either from missed sampling
[1:09:14] which were taken after the
[1:09:16] prescribed date or it was an
[1:09:18] issue with trending in
[1:09:20] calibration. There was no
[1:09:23] orders imposed and there's a
[1:09:25] few best management practices
[1:09:26] that were given.
[1:09:31] So going forward our impacting
[1:09:33] changes. Um so, we did have new
[1:09:37] permits that were issued to us
[1:09:39] in 2021 in March. So, all
[1:09:41] components have been rolled out
[1:09:43] into the processes and any
[1:09:44] change in the licensing
[1:09:45] requirements have been rolled
[1:09:46] out. There is a few new
[1:09:50] legislative acts coming in. So,
[1:09:52] there's the emergency
[1:09:53] management and civil protection
[1:09:54] act and this is more in regards
[1:09:56] to allowing and giving water
[1:09:58] works the force get people
[1:10:01] boots on the ground in order
[1:10:04] like in the event of long term
[1:10:07] outages. Um from COVID. There
[1:10:11] was the virtual training which
[1:10:12] is now in place for operators.
[1:10:18] There were some minor changes
[1:10:20] to the skater reporting and
[1:10:21] then director notification.
[1:10:22] That's to the ministry in
[1:10:23] regards to our licensing.
[1:10:25] There's a new water main
[1:10:26] disinfection which we're we're
[1:10:27] in the process of implementing
[1:10:29] all the new changes. They are
[1:10:31] looking at producing a new code
[1:10:33] of ethics for drinking water
[1:10:34] operators. PTTW which is what
[1:10:38] allows us to pull water from
[1:10:39] the mill ponds. That will be
[1:10:41] renewed in 2022. We're
[1:10:42] currently in the process of
[1:10:44] doing that application. And we
[1:10:48] obviously have an increase in
[1:10:49] costs and lag time for supplies
[1:10:52] due to COVID and manufacturing
[1:10:54] delays. And we luckily have a
[1:10:56] municipal election in October.
[1:10:58] Which could impact obviously.
[1:11:00] Our direction as a township of
[1:11:02] a whole. That's Alexandria.
[1:11:05] Questions, comments. Any
[1:11:09] questions? Go ahead, Councillor
[1:11:13] Mayor. Thank you, Angela. Uh
[1:11:15] just to go back to the sodium
[1:11:17] incident, is there anything
[1:11:21] that we can do to backtrack
[1:11:23] this? To figure out what went
[1:11:26] on. I've got a couple ideas we
[1:11:28] can talk about later but I'm
[1:11:29] just curious if there's
[1:11:31] anything that you guys have
[1:11:33] thought of that we can actually
[1:11:34] do to figure out and make sure
[1:11:35] it doesn't happen again. So
[1:11:38] right now I would say that it
[1:11:43] would be hard to go back and
[1:11:44] prove. Because we don't have
[1:11:46] the sampling data to kind of
[1:11:47] back it up. Historically we're
[1:11:50] around like 10 to 15 milligrams
[1:11:51] per liter. Yeah. Um there's
[1:11:53] only been one other spike which
[1:11:55] was in two thousand fifteen. So
[1:11:58] I'm not really sure what's
[1:11:59] causing the spikes. it wasn't
[1:12:03] the same time of year. It was I
[1:12:05] want to say June. But I could
[1:12:08] be wrong.
[1:12:14] Okay, thank you for that
[1:12:15] report. We'll we'll vote on
[1:12:17] that on the motion that was
[1:12:18] read earlier for the Alexandria
[1:12:21] Water Drinking System all in
[1:12:23] favor of the motion. Carried.
[1:12:25] Thank you. So, Councilor Noble,
[1:12:29] if you can put the next motion
[1:12:31] on the table, please. by
[1:12:34] myself, seconded by Councilor
[1:12:36] Massey, that the Committee of
[1:12:37] the Whole received staff
[1:12:38] report. Number PW 20 22 dash
[1:12:41] zero nine, annual wastewater
[1:12:43] reports for Alexandria and
[1:12:44] Maxville for information
[1:12:45] purposes. Oh, okay. We're not
[1:12:47] there yet. Yeah, sure. Sorry,
[1:12:49] I'm sorry. Sorry. I thought
[1:12:50] we're Sorry, yeah, there was a type 2 in a minute.
[1:12:53] Okay. It shouldn't just be
[1:12:54] Alexandria. It should actually
[1:12:56] be the drinking water system
[1:12:57] and that might have been my
[1:12:58] problem, my fault. No, no, no,
[1:12:59] that's fine. That's just fine.
[1:13:01] Carry on and. so Glenn
[1:13:06] Robertson. So basically, this
[1:13:08] is going to be kind of the same
[1:13:09] format. Being kind of fast
[1:13:11] tracked through some of the
[1:13:12] items that would be the same as
[1:13:14] Alexandria. So, Glenn Robertson
[1:13:19] Once again. Sorry, Brenda. The
[1:13:21] same format where we've got the
[1:13:22] system description. We'll go
[1:13:23] over the operational
[1:13:24] performance, critical critical
[1:13:28] control points, regulatory,
[1:13:30] non-conformance. Um an adverse
[1:13:32] testing, the auditing and
[1:13:34] impacting changes are the same
[1:13:36] as Alexandria. So, Glenn
[1:13:39] Robertson is a small municipal
[1:13:41] residential assistant with a
[1:13:42] class1 distribution and supply
[1:13:44] designation. We use groundwater
[1:13:46] source water and we have the
[1:13:49] ability to to take 224 cubic
[1:13:51] meters per day. This system is
[1:13:54] designated as goody which means
[1:13:56] groundwater under the direct
[1:13:57] influence of surface water. The
[1:13:59] system is made up of the Glenn
[1:14:01] Robertson pumphouse treatment
[1:14:02] facility. Um there's no
[1:14:05] distribution storage. And
[1:14:08] there's one standby generator
[1:14:09] at the pumphouse. We do have
[1:14:12] monitoring about at the
[1:14:13] midpoint at the church. So the
[1:14:16] distribution is composed of. 8
[1:14:18] kilometres of water pipes
[1:14:19] bearing sizes, isolation
[1:14:21] valves, pressure nope, not
[1:14:23] press reducing valves. And
[1:14:26] there's I do apologize. There's
[1:14:27] typos in here. There's no fire
[1:14:29] hydrants. and then the chart
[1:14:32] below summarizes it. So we do
[1:14:36] have three flushing ports,
[1:14:38] three isolation valves, and
[1:14:39] only about 50 service
[1:14:40] connections. So the operational
[1:14:44] performance So, for the treated
[1:14:47] water, we're only at at about
[1:14:49] 11% of the raw intake capacity.
[1:14:51] We have an average flow of 24.
[1:14:52] 9 cubic meters per day. We have
[1:14:55] some minor sedimentation issues
[1:14:58] which is more seasonal. Uh we
[1:15:00] have one major incidents where
[1:15:02] we had the well pump
[1:15:04] malfunction. It was actually
[1:15:06] parts in the well pump panel.
[1:15:07] It was replaced. There was a
[1:15:09] boil water issued. Um and then
[1:15:11] resolved I believe within two
[1:15:14] days of the initial response.
[1:15:17] Although the well pump is up,
[1:15:18] the boil water took about two
[1:15:19] days to resolve once we got our
[1:15:22] sampling results and everything
[1:15:23] back. We had minor incidences
[1:15:26] of equipment failure and part
[1:15:27] replacements. Um most issues
[1:15:29] were resolved with backup
[1:15:31] equipment until the parts could
[1:15:34] be either obtained or replaced.
[1:15:37] There's no major quality
[1:15:39] issues. In Glenn Robertson
[1:15:44] in the distribution. So, this
[1:15:47] year, 2021, rather, we've
[1:15:50] metred about six thousand eight
[1:15:51] hundred and seventy-three cubic
[1:15:54] metres. We only had one service
[1:15:56] repair and once again, all work
[1:15:58] was subcontracted out. Our
[1:16:01] residual monitoring and
[1:16:02] flushing, we used about 21. 6
[1:16:03] cubic meters which was mostly
[1:16:06] due to low residual alarms and
[1:16:08] preventative flushing at the
[1:16:10] actual pump house itself. So,
[1:16:11] our critical control points.
[1:16:14] Someone Robertson Oops, let me
[1:16:17] skip. So that once again is
[1:16:20] that summary the critical
[1:16:23] control points are are
[1:16:25] disinfection which is UV
[1:16:26] treatment and sodium
[1:16:28] hypochlorite dosing. We didn't
[1:16:30] have any operational issues. We
[1:16:32] had one instance of delayed
[1:16:34] startup but the unit was in
[1:16:36] standby until it was ready to
[1:16:37] be put in service. Sodium hypo.
[1:16:41] Once again, the dosing is based
[1:16:43] on observed process and we do
[1:16:46] have some minor issues with
[1:16:48] equipment failure and pump
[1:16:50] failure which we are working
[1:16:52] with the manufacturer to try
[1:16:53] and resolve. We do have backup
[1:16:56] so there is no issue of if the
[1:16:59] pump fails, what happens then,
[1:16:59] we always have a backup system
[1:17:01] to ensure that we don't lose
[1:17:02] our treatment possibility. In
[1:17:05] the distribution, we do have
[1:17:09] monitoring at the midpoint.
[1:17:10] There's no issues noted or no
[1:17:14] degradation noted in the
[1:17:15] distribution. Once again, this
[1:17:17] is the sampling results. So,
[1:17:20] similar to Alexandria, we do
[1:17:22] have a fair amount of testing
[1:17:23] like it's done annually. Um
[1:17:25] there were no adverse tests
[1:17:28] Even after the well pump
[1:17:30] failure and our sampling,
[1:17:31] everything came back good.
[1:17:35] So this is the summary for
[1:17:38] audit. So, the QMS is basically
[1:17:41] in the same shape because
[1:17:42] Alexandria and Glen Robertson
[1:17:44] share the same QMS. Although,
[1:17:46] the MACP compliance inspection
[1:17:48] is slightly different. So, we
[1:17:50] had our last inspection,
[1:17:51] September 28th. We had a 96%
[1:17:54] risk rating. Um once again,
[1:17:56] most of the issues were in
[1:17:59] regards to some minor issues.
[1:18:02] Um one is the UV monitoring.
[1:18:04] So, we don't have that trended
[1:18:06] on an ongoing basis as
[1:18:07] prescribed. We were to bring
[1:18:10] Skada in which would have
[1:18:11] resolved this. This is still an
[1:18:13] ongoing matter. It's just been
[1:18:13] delayed due to COVID. Um
[1:18:15] director notification is just a
[1:18:18] minor clerical issue that has
[1:18:21] been resolved since. And then
[1:18:23] we have monitoring laws on the
[1:18:25] site where we had to replace
[1:18:26] the covers to prevent
[1:18:28] infiltration or other issues
[1:18:29] that could enter into the well.
[1:18:31] We had no orders and the best
[1:18:33] management practices that were
[1:18:35] issued was system pressure
[1:18:37] monitoring and treatment bypass
[1:18:39] measures.
[1:18:42] impacting changes is the same
[1:18:45] and that is it for the water
[1:18:48] summaries. So that's Um Madam
[1:18:54] Clerk, do we have to adjust the motion? Cuz it didn't it
[1:18:59] didn't include Glenn Robertson
[1:19:00] or is it fine as is? Uh through
[1:19:04] mister deputy mayor. Yes, you
[1:19:05] should change the motion,
[1:19:07] please. Okay. Okay. So,
[1:19:13] Councillor I think it was you,
[1:19:16] Joanne that if you could please
[1:19:18] add to your motion, Glenn
[1:19:22] Robertson.
[1:19:26] Reread it please. And we'll
[1:19:28] vote on it.
[1:19:33] Move by myself, seconded by
[1:19:34] Councilor Noble, that the
[1:19:35] committee, the whole, receives
[1:19:37] staff report, number PW 2022
[1:19:39] dash zero eight, the two
[1:19:41] thousand 21 Alexandria and
[1:19:43] Glenn Robertson drinking water
[1:19:45] system, annual and summary
[1:19:47] reports for information
[1:19:48] purposes. Okay, thank you. Uh
[1:19:52] all in favor of the motion?
[1:19:54] Carried.
[1:19:58] So please go ehm we've already
[1:20:00] had the so the annual
[1:20:01] wastewater report for
[1:20:03] Alexandria Maxwell as fine as
[1:20:05] it is then. It's already been
[1:20:07] read. So go ahead with your
[1:20:08] report. We'll vote on it
[1:20:09] afterwards. So there is no
[1:20:11] presentation for this one. It's
[1:20:12] just we we're just providing
[1:20:15] you with the annual reports
[1:20:17] which you should have received
[1:20:18] a copy for both Alexandria and
[1:20:19] Maxwell. Okay. And it's just as
[1:20:23] proof of delivery. Rookie. Okay
[1:20:27] So do do counselors have any
[1:20:31] questions for Angela? the
[1:20:35] report. Go ahead Councilman. I
[1:20:38] thought we were going to have
[1:20:39] the old presentation presented.
[1:20:43] But that's okay I can read it
[1:20:45] tonight. But I thought you
[1:20:48] already read it. I said reread
[1:20:52] it. Reread it. I have one
[1:20:55] question. Uh the capacity
[1:21:00] at at the lagoons What numbers
[1:21:03] are we at for Alexandria
[1:21:05] Maxwell, please? Off the top of
[1:21:07] my head, I can't remember. I
[1:21:08] believe it's around 79%. It's
[1:21:11] in the report. It's actually,
[1:21:14] well, it's further down but
[1:21:16] it's also further up. Uh up. I
[1:21:19] believe, no, up. Sorry, the
[1:21:22] other way. Should be.
[1:21:27] Seventy-six.
[1:21:33] Yep, no, seventy-six is
[1:21:34] ordinances.
[1:21:50] Yep, no, you, it was the 76
[1:21:52] that you, that you showed
[1:21:53] earlier. Uh, yeah, so Maxwell
[1:21:56] would be in the Maxwell one. So
[1:21:59] seventy-six for Alexandria?
[1:22:02] and
[1:22:03] then you're 72 for Maxwell.
[1:22:06] Okay, very good. That's
[1:22:07] helpful. Thank you. Okay,
[1:22:09] other, yes, go ahead,
[1:22:10] Councilman. Angela, just the
[1:22:13] quick question about the sledge
[1:22:15] in the lagoons in Alexandria.
[1:22:16] Mhm. Uh, anything significant
[1:22:19] or special that needs to be
[1:22:20] done there. We're just going to
[1:22:21] keep going with sort of
[1:22:22] geotubes until I believe the
[1:22:25] plan is to continue with the
[1:22:27] geotebeams to try to get the
[1:22:28] sludge and Selby down Um and
[1:22:31] then once we get obviously the
[1:22:34] capital works going, we'll have
[1:22:35] to kind of reevaluate when we
[1:22:37] get there at that point because
[1:22:38] it's part of the pro like part
[1:22:39] of the issues that has to be
[1:22:41] resolved prior to construction.
[1:22:45] Any other questions?
[1:22:50] We've already voted on the
[1:22:51] motion. Thank you, Angela for
[1:22:52] your report.
[1:22:57] Sorry. I was thinking of the
[1:22:59] other one. All in favor of the
[1:23:01] motion. Thank you. Alright. And
[1:23:06] number four engineering
[1:23:07] investigation work plan and low
[1:23:10] cost bitumus roads. Uh
[1:23:12] Councillor Massey please put
[1:23:14] the motion on the table. And
[1:23:17] welcome Tim. Move my myself
[1:23:19] seconded by Councillor Noble
[1:23:21] that the Committee of the Old
[1:23:22] Recommends to Council that the
[1:23:24] 2022 road work as presented in
[1:23:26] table A B approved. Thank you.
[1:23:29] Go ahead. Thank you Madam
[1:23:32] Deputy Mayor. Um so this report
[1:23:36] is about modifying our work
[1:23:38] plan from what was outlined in
[1:23:40] the road's needs study. Uh to a
[1:23:44] more a more specific work plan
[1:23:48] especially based on a few
[1:23:51] concerns that I have with the
[1:23:52] performance, the historical
[1:23:54] performance of some of the
[1:23:55] roads. So I When I started
[1:24:00] here, I started interviewing
[1:24:02] the workers at the different
[1:24:06] garages and trying to get,
[1:24:08] actually, that was a
[1:24:09] recommendation from the roads
[1:24:10] need study was that we should
[1:24:13] try and interview these guys
[1:24:14] and get a little bit more
[1:24:15] information. So, we did that
[1:24:17] and what became apparent very
[1:24:19] quickly was that a certain type
[1:24:22] of road was not standing up to
[1:24:27] the performance that it should.
[1:24:29] It wasn't living out of life
[1:24:30] cycle. So, if you go through
[1:24:32] the report I outline the
[1:24:35] difference between bitumen and
[1:24:37] asphalt and LCB and HCB roads.
[1:24:41] So LCB stands for low class
[1:24:44] bitumenus and HCB stands for
[1:24:47] high class indigenous. So to
[1:24:48] give a bit of a summary bitumen
[1:24:51] is the material which binds
[1:24:56] asphalt together. Um so if you
[1:24:58] think of concrete the
[1:25:00] difference between cement and
[1:25:02] concrete is cement is like a a
[1:25:06] it's almost like grouted what
[1:25:08] binds that the concrete
[1:25:09] together and when you combine
[1:25:11] the cement with the aggregate
[1:25:14] and when you combine the
[1:25:15] bitumen with the aggregate that
[1:25:16] actually becomes ah asphalt
[1:25:19] concrete or concrete in the
[1:25:21] case of concrete. Um so a I
[1:25:26] thought it was really important
[1:25:27] to point that out. Just because
[1:25:29] there is so much confusion with
[1:25:33] the naming conventions across
[1:25:36] the world and across Canada and
[1:25:39] within municipalities and
[1:25:41] within engineering departments.
[1:25:43] People can refer to it as
[1:25:43] different things. Um one term
[1:25:47] that everybody uses and if
[1:25:49] you're talking to people in the
[1:25:51] asphalt industry they recommend
[1:25:53] that you use is asphalt
[1:25:55] concrete. Um that engineering
[1:25:58] term and everybody uses that
[1:26:00] the same And if could scroll
[1:26:04] down a little bit on that
[1:26:05] report Pauline. Thank you sir.
[1:26:08] That there is asphalt concrete.
[1:26:10] So it's it's prepared in a
[1:26:14] bitumen plant or an asphalt
[1:26:15] plant and shipped to site. Uh
[1:26:18] that that truck up the front is
[1:26:20] then pouring it into the into
[1:26:22] the paver and then they lay
[1:26:23] that down as a a composite
[1:26:26] material that has a structural
[1:26:28] component to it. Uh and that's
[1:26:31] the real really the main
[1:26:32] difference that you're going to
[1:26:34] see between the asphalt
[1:26:35] concrete and low class
[1:26:38] bitumenous roads. Um which a
[1:26:41] variety of names including Chip
[1:26:43] Seal is that those don't have
[1:26:44] any structural integrity to
[1:26:46] them. Everything that they have
[1:26:48] structural about them is
[1:26:49] provided by the base and the
[1:26:51] sub base. Uh so my main
[1:26:55] concerns is that those low
[1:26:57] class vitaminist rogues and
[1:26:59] we've got there's two types.
[1:27:02] Low class bituminous roads and
[1:27:03] high class bituminous roads.
[1:27:06] LCB and HCB. The those are the
[1:27:08] common terms used in the the
[1:27:13] like the ST and G. Um and
[1:27:16] basically a HCB road is built
[1:27:19] with some sort of asphalt
[1:27:21] concrete. Uh so you can have
[1:27:24] different types. You can have
[1:27:26] coal in place. You can have
[1:27:27] different recipes that do
[1:27:29] different things depending on
[1:27:30] your geotechnical conditions.
[1:27:32] Depending on what purpose the
[1:27:35] road serves. Um and I just
[1:27:38] thought it was important to to
[1:27:40] spell those out so that
[1:27:41] everybody understands that I,
[1:27:42] you know, one's using the same
[1:27:46] terminology. Um so the problem
[1:27:50] I've detected is that the
[1:27:51] rogues specifically can you
[1:27:55] concessionate Donnie McCormick,
[1:27:57] Marcou, Kenning Concession One,
[1:28:01] Kenyan Concession fifteen,
[1:28:03] Indian Lambs, and Kenyan
[1:28:04] Concession 16 Indianlands. Uh
[1:28:06] hope we met and I'm sorry if
[1:28:10] I'm mangling any of these
[1:28:12] names. Um I'll get it. I
[1:28:14] promise. But all these roads
[1:28:17] seem to have failed before
[1:28:19] their service life ends. So
[1:28:21] within five years, they have
[1:28:24] fractured, cracked, and failed
[1:28:28] and it's expensive to go and redo these. So, a lot of
[1:28:36] these roads were set I think
[1:28:39] it's down at the sorry, at the
[1:28:42] bottom of that report. I don't
[1:28:43] have it in front of me but in
[1:28:44] the in the roads need study, a
[1:28:47] lot of these roads were set to
[1:28:49] be LCB'd again. So, we were
[1:28:52] going to pulverize and double
[1:28:54] surface treat them, treatment
[1:28:55] them. So, and again,
[1:28:58] terminology, we were basically
[1:29:00] going to take that CB Road and
[1:29:04] turn it again into an LCB road.
[1:29:06] So renew it. Um and pulverise
[1:29:10] and double surface treatment is
[1:29:12] pretty much the the highest
[1:29:15] it's basically redoing the
[1:29:16] entire road. You don't need to
[1:29:18] do a little bit of base. But
[1:29:20] the cost is pretty big compared
[1:29:22] to doing if if you had a green
[1:29:25] road and you were going to
[1:29:26] upgrade it to a an LCB road.
[1:29:29] You go and place the base and
[1:29:31] then you do a double surface
[1:29:32] treatment. And this is pul
[1:29:34] rising the existing double
[1:29:36] surface treatment and putting
[1:29:37] it back down and doing some
[1:29:39] spot treatment for the base
[1:29:40] there as well. So, it's very
[1:29:42] expensive and what I want to
[1:29:45] do, what I think the way
[1:29:47] forward is, is to really go and
[1:29:48] do some geotechnical
[1:29:49] investigation. It's it's too
[1:29:52] early for me to say exactly why
[1:29:54] those roads failed and believe
[1:29:58] me, I have my theories but I
[1:30:01] really think that we need to do
[1:30:03] the proper investigations and
[1:30:05] this is also what is ended in
[1:30:08] the in the roads need study as
[1:30:10] well. But the roads need steady
[1:30:12] scope was just to say this is
[1:30:15] what we've got and this is our
[1:30:16] maintenance schedule if we're
[1:30:18] going to maintain what we've
[1:30:19] got. So it was really to to
[1:30:22] sort of head off the question
[1:30:23] of why didn't the roads need
[1:30:25] study? Why is the roads need
[1:30:26] study saying that we should
[1:30:28] redo these roads? Uh when I
[1:30:31] think there should be more
[1:30:32] investigation. It's just
[1:30:33] because it was beyond their
[1:30:35] scope. Um so you can see a a
[1:30:36] photo there of a borehole. Um I
[1:30:41] think that one in particular
[1:30:42] was actually from TransCanadian
[1:30:46] Highway. Um when when they were
[1:30:47] having issues with sinkholes
[1:30:50] And basically there are about a
[1:30:52] metre and a half in depth and
[1:30:54] it should give us an idea of
[1:30:55] what the sub base is there. Um
[1:30:58] because if we have if we have a
[1:31:00] bad sub base and it'll also
[1:31:02] give us a consistency of our
[1:31:04] road. Uh then it doesn't really
[1:31:07] matter what we do on top of it.
[1:31:09] We need to we need to perform
[1:31:11] some dig outs and repair that
[1:31:13] sub base before we keep on
[1:31:14] going.
[1:31:17] Yeah, so unfortunately, I don't
[1:31:20] have really any big answers
[1:31:21] here. This is a significant
[1:31:25] problem, that's, that's
[1:31:28] throughout our road network, so
[1:31:29] there is quite a bit of gravity
[1:31:31] to this, but really the way
[1:31:33] forward is to go and
[1:31:34] investigate, see what we're
[1:31:35] really dealing with, and then
[1:31:38] hopefully we can make some good
[1:31:40] decisions on, how to work on
[1:31:42] these roads in the future. What
[1:31:44] you will notice is that, when
[1:31:46] we these roads out of the
[1:31:49] equation to go and do
[1:31:52] engineering instead. How I've
[1:31:54] allocated it is those roads
[1:31:55] that were LCB and were going to
[1:31:58] be done this year. What I'm
[1:31:59] saying is that instead of that
[1:32:01] we'll go and do investigations,
[1:32:03] engineering investigations on
[1:32:05] those roads and the ones that
[1:32:06] were going to be done next
[1:32:07] year. Uh so they're done ahead
[1:32:10] of time. And then with the rest
[1:32:12] of the funds I've just taken
[1:32:14] the next HCB roads on the on
[1:32:18] the roads need study and bump
[1:32:20] them up. So we had those if you
[1:32:22] remember we had the the green
[1:32:24] and the blue sections. The ones
[1:32:25] that were were optional and
[1:32:26] they very very much strongly
[1:32:28] recommended that we did them.
[1:32:29] We just took the next Rogues in
[1:32:31] line as per the study and
[1:32:33] bumped them up there. Uh so
[1:32:35] they are West Boundary Road,
[1:32:37] Bishop Street, Annex Street,
[1:32:39] Nixon Boundary Road, Hugh
[1:32:41] Monroe Street, Kennedy Avenue,
[1:32:44] we did some further
[1:32:44] investigation and found that
[1:32:46] Sandfield Avenue is actually
[1:32:48] okay how it is but does need a
[1:32:50] good crack ceiling. Um they
[1:32:53] recommended a pulverizing pave
[1:32:55] Uh we did another investigation
[1:32:57] with the county's guys and
[1:32:59] talked to the engineer there as
[1:33:03] well. Um we had a a phone call
[1:33:04] with him just to double check
[1:33:06] and he said, yeah, this would
[1:33:07] be fine. You could extend that
[1:33:09] life by cracked ceiling instead
[1:33:11] which gives us some more funds
[1:33:12] to play with. Um and
[1:33:15] unfortunately, Power Dam Road
[1:33:16] as well. Um now, that was a LCB
[1:33:19] road that was upgraded to HCB
[1:33:23] and unfortunately, those
[1:33:24] treatments that were picked
[1:33:28] were not the best for that
[1:33:29] situation in again, it is an
[1:33:32] LCB road and we tried to
[1:33:34] upgrade it to HCV but we didn't
[1:33:37] do geotechnical investigations
[1:33:39] beforehand. So, we should just
[1:33:43] go and crack, seal that road.
[1:33:45] Luckily, that now because we've
[1:33:47] done it, asphalt is the most
[1:33:49] recycled material in the world.
[1:33:51] Uh now that that material is
[1:33:53] down there, it's still an asset
[1:33:55] and we should just crack seal
[1:33:56] it. Unfortunately, it's not the
[1:33:58] prettiest with the crack in it
[1:33:59] but when it comes time to
[1:34:01] pulverize and pave it again,
[1:34:03] there's good material there
[1:34:04] now. So, we can we can keep on
[1:34:06] going.
[1:34:09] that is pretty much it. thank
[1:34:12] you. Yeah, go ahead. Just Tim
[1:34:15] on Sandfield Street. Can you
[1:34:16] just make sure I know that
[1:34:18] we're going to do cracked
[1:34:18] ceiling but Yup. As you're, as
[1:34:21] you're coming down from the old
[1:34:23] Alexandria Moulding and
[1:34:24] Severance, there is a dip that
[1:34:26] you've gotten lots of
[1:34:28] complaints about. So, if you
[1:34:29] can check that and just make
[1:34:31] sure it's while we're doing it.
[1:34:35] Councilor Manley? Yeah. Thank
[1:34:38] you Deputy Mayor. Um Tim I
[1:34:40] think I think this this plan
[1:34:42] going forward is is what we
[1:34:44] need to do. I mean this this
[1:34:45] makes sense. I mean we look at
[1:34:46] what we did last year on Power
[1:34:49] Dam Road. And there were huge
[1:34:51] cracks going down that road.
[1:34:53] That's after one year at one.
[1:34:55] Less than a year. Not even a
[1:34:56] year. It was July that we did
[1:34:58] that. So I mean we we've gotta
[1:35:00] know what we're putting you
[1:35:01] know what what's underneath
[1:35:02] there so that we we do this
[1:35:03] right. So congratulations on on
[1:35:06] doing that because I think this
[1:35:07] is this is this is the way
[1:35:09] forward for us. Um definitely
[1:35:09] do quick question about Nick,
[1:35:13] is it Nixon? Yeah. It's right
[1:35:14] on our boundary. Is that, is it
[1:35:16] a boundary road or is it I, I
[1:35:19] don't know if it's a boundary
[1:35:21] road or not, but the reason why
[1:35:22] that one's in there, is that
[1:35:24] it's in a, in a place that is
[1:35:27] near the 417, and the drainage
[1:35:30] there will not work unless that
[1:35:33] road is in good condition. It's
[1:35:34] a very small section. Yeah. Um.
[1:35:35] But a, does it go into a green
[1:35:37] road? Uh. Change into a gray. I
[1:35:41] was looking at that. Yeah.
[1:35:44] Okay, so we're we're just
[1:35:46] looking at that little section
[1:35:47] and then it's just a small
[1:35:50] section there, if we, we need
[1:35:51] to repair that, because it's,
[1:35:54] and that's why it was picked on
[1:35:55] the roads need study. Yeah. Uh,
[1:35:56] because if we don't, we can't, say return that one to
[1:36:00] gravel, or, or anything like
[1:36:02] that. We need a, if that's not
[1:36:04] a hard surface, it won't work
[1:36:06] very well with our drainage.
[1:36:08] Okay. Yeah, so. Make sense.
[1:36:09] Okay, thank you. Okay, other
[1:36:11] questions. Yes have cancer.
[1:36:14] Just a quick comment. Again,
[1:36:17] with the pictures like Joanne
[1:36:19] said, it just makes sense. So,
[1:36:21] I appreciate breaking it down
[1:36:23] because we're just like, oh
[1:36:24] yeah, we know what surface
[1:36:25] treatment is and we know it all
[1:36:27] does. Yeah, I will but now we
[1:36:29] have an exact like just
[1:36:31] description like and using all
[1:36:33] the different terms because
[1:36:33] yeah, everybody uses something
[1:36:35] different. So, thank you.
[1:36:37] sorry. Go ahead and patriot. Um
[1:36:40] yeah, I, this is, a lot of
[1:36:44] engineers have this problem,
[1:36:45] that they assume a lot of
[1:36:47] people in the room know what
[1:36:48] they're talking about, but
[1:36:49] often other engineers in the
[1:36:51] same room won't know what
[1:36:52] they're talking about, because
[1:36:53] they're using a different set
[1:36:54] of acronyms, so thank you,
[1:36:57] sorry. Okay, anybody with any
[1:37:00] other comments or questions? I, have a, a quick one, just
[1:37:04] with regards to the, some of
[1:37:05] the, like, I could use the
[1:37:07] fourth concession as an
[1:37:08] example. Uh, which has is as
[1:37:11] you pointed out falling apart.
[1:37:14] Previous to that, when it was
[1:37:15] first surface treated, from
[1:37:17] gravel, because this is the
[1:37:19] second time, that road lasted a
[1:37:22] long time. A long, long time.
[1:37:25] And so, so it doesn't make
[1:37:28] sense. Why some of these roads
[1:37:30] that were initially done year,
[1:37:32] like, I'm, I'm, I'm thinking
[1:37:34] like, 15 years ago. Or, or, or
[1:37:37] even longer, because it was,
[1:37:39] yeah, long ago than that. And the road really lasted. And
[1:37:44] it was a double surface
[1:37:45] treatment. So it may not just
[1:37:48] be what's under the ground that
[1:37:50] the problem. You know it could easily be the the
[1:37:54] product. Or or the the way it's
[1:37:56] being applied. Like we may be
[1:37:58] getting an inferior product
[1:38:00] that's applied badly. And and
[1:38:03] so I'm not sure we should be
[1:38:06] too quick to abandon the double
[1:38:08] surface treatment. If we can
[1:38:09] get a product to get it
[1:38:11] properly laid on a on a proper
[1:38:14] surface. It it it has been very
[1:38:18] economical and effective in the
[1:38:20] past. It's just recently that
[1:38:22] it hasn't been. through you,
[1:38:26] madam deputy mayor? Yes. So,
[1:38:29] you are absolutely correct. So,
[1:38:32] LCB has absolutely has its
[1:38:34] place inside a road network. Um
[1:38:37] and you can get different
[1:38:40] formulas that are flexible. So,
[1:38:42] it won't provide any structural
[1:38:45] stability but as the traffic
[1:38:47] moves along it, it will flex
[1:38:50] underneath it but it really, it
[1:38:52] really comes back to importance
[1:38:55] of engineering and and knowing
[1:38:56] what you're doing. Uh having
[1:38:59] the the previous work done by
[1:39:02] Sarah and Michelle and Tara and
[1:39:06] the previous public works
[1:39:07] directors has I wouldn't have
[1:39:09] been able to come to this
[1:39:12] report if I hadn't had that
[1:39:14] previous information going and finding these guys and and
[1:39:20] getting
[1:39:26] When we put down LCB roads that
[1:39:35] proved for for 2022 are really
[1:39:38] going to help. Cuz we need to
[1:39:39] know where the traffic is. Uh
[1:39:42] what the conditions are
[1:39:42] underneath the road. What sort
[1:39:44] of and the recipes that you can
[1:39:47] use to put down an LCD road are
[1:39:51] enormous. There's there's a
[1:39:52] huge range. Um and sometimes
[1:39:55] they can be sometimes it's not
[1:39:57] even a matter of quality
[1:39:58] control. It's almost
[1:40:00] terminology. He said I want a
[1:40:02] chip seal road and he said I
[1:40:04] want a surface treatment road.
[1:40:06] And that meant two different
[1:40:08] things to two different people.
[1:40:09] Uh so yet. You're absolutely
[1:40:11] right And I I have my theories
[1:40:15] of why some of these roads have
[1:40:17] failed but until we do the
[1:40:20] engineering, I can't really.
[1:40:22] Thank you very much. That's
[1:40:24] much appreciated and like
[1:40:26] everyone said, an excellent
[1:40:27] report. Okay, last comment to
[1:40:28] them. We've gotta move on.
[1:40:30] We've gotta get to our next.
[1:40:32] No, no, no, no. Thank you very
[1:40:35] much for your report. Thank
[1:40:36] you. Um okay so you've heard
[1:40:39] the motion. Um did you put the
[1:40:41] motion on the table? Okay. All
[1:40:43] in favor of the motion.
[1:40:44] Carried. Thank you. Um we have
[1:40:47] next the fire department,
[1:40:50] departmental work plan update.
[1:40:52] Councillor Massey.
[1:40:57] Okay? Councilor Noble. Thank
[1:41:00] you, Deputy Mayor. Seconded in
[1:41:03] by Councilor Manley, that the
[1:41:04] Committee of the Whole receives
[1:41:06] report of
[1:41:11] Twenty-2 from the Fire
[1:41:12] Department for information
[1:41:14] purposes only. Great. Let's go
[1:41:16] ahead, Matthew. Thank you,
[1:41:18] Deputy Mayor. Uh just some
[1:41:18] quick updates on a few items.
[1:41:20] So, our communication system is
[1:41:22] still ongoing with some delays
[1:41:24] and some equipment due to the
[1:41:26] due to COVID. However, we did
[1:41:29] receive some new portable
[1:41:31] radios for the roads
[1:41:32] department. So, each one of
[1:41:33] their members can have a
[1:41:34] portable radio that's going to
[1:41:36] be linked into our
[1:41:38] communication system across
[1:41:40] township. So, they'll have
[1:41:41] access to Township wide
[1:41:43] communication for internally
[1:41:45] and should there be any
[1:41:47] emergency situation. We'll be
[1:41:49] able to all communicate
[1:41:50] effectively. So this will also
[1:41:52] include the emergency operation
[1:41:53] centre here. Uh so we'll have
[1:41:56] proper radio communications
[1:41:57] throughout all the departments
[1:41:59] throughout our township. In
[1:42:01] terms of fire permits. Uh
[1:42:03] currently agriculture permits.
[1:42:05] Um we've issued 15 so far but
[1:42:07] currently there's zero
[1:42:09] currently approved right now.
[1:42:11] Brush permits we have 79 and
[1:42:13] recreational learning. So, we
[1:42:16] typically see an increase as
[1:42:17] the year goes on and or
[1:42:18] whenever residents require
[1:42:21] them. In terms of our training,
[1:42:23] we've resumed our training as
[1:42:24] of February 7th after
[1:42:27] suspending due to COVID to
[1:42:28] ensure that we can remain
[1:42:30] operationalism and due to some
[1:42:33] of the restrictions. Uh regular
[1:42:36] training meetings, just an
[1:42:38] outline of some of the training
[1:42:41] that we're going to be focusing
[1:42:42] on. Uh medical response and
[1:42:43] fire behavior as well as our
[1:42:45] yearly first aid CP that's
[1:42:49] going to be going on. We've
[1:42:51] recently enrolled some of our
[1:42:52] members in some Ontario Fire
[1:42:55] College courses which include
[1:42:57] fire inspection, incident,
[1:42:59] safety officer as well as
[1:43:01] hazardous material awareness.
[1:43:04] Recently, just an update from
[1:43:06] the province in terms of
[1:43:08] firefighter certification. Uh
[1:43:10] the opposite of fire marshal
[1:43:11] recently provided an update
[1:43:12] regarding firefighter
[1:43:14] certification. Currently, there
[1:43:17] is no standard firefighter
[1:43:19] certification under the fire
[1:43:21] prevention and protection act
[1:43:22] in Ontario. So OFM has
[1:43:25] developed a proposed regulation
[1:43:27] just currently under the F PPA
[1:43:30] which would introduce a
[1:43:32] mandatory minimum requirement.
[1:43:34] The proposed approach is based
[1:43:36] is going to be based on
[1:43:37] specific job requirements. Um
[1:43:40] and competencies through the National Fire
[1:43:45] Protection and Association
[1:43:47] Standards. So the regulation is
[1:43:50] in consultation draft and is
[1:43:53] posted for comment up until
[1:43:54] February twenty-8th. currently
[1:43:58] OFEM has held meetings with
[1:44:02] stakeholders including fire
[1:44:03] chiefs across the province
[1:44:04] where they've had town halls
[1:44:07] and Q&A sessions. The new
[1:44:10] proposed regulations will have
[1:44:12] some impacts on our department.
[1:44:14] Impact in our current and new
[1:44:17] recruits. Our department
[1:44:19] remains in a good standing
[1:44:21] order in terms of being able to
[1:44:23] meet these requirements. Um
[1:44:24] however, you know, with basis
[1:44:28] with our new we'll be able to
[1:44:29] really move forward and
[1:44:30] continue to move forward
[1:44:32] ensuring that however the
[1:44:34] proposed regulation goes
[1:44:35] whether there's any changes
[1:44:37] once it comes into effect. We
[1:44:41] anticipate a final draft in
[1:44:43] July twenty twenty-two which
[1:44:45] will see a a transition period
[1:44:48] of of four years to get fully
[1:44:50] certified. And six years for
[1:44:53] certain certifications. Um I'll
[1:44:55] be providing a report for and
[1:44:56] in most likely in March to
[1:45:00] outline where we're going to be
[1:45:02] going in terms of even just to
[1:45:03] give an outline of all the
[1:45:05] certification that's required
[1:45:06] for us as a fire department. In
[1:45:10] terms of recruitment we've just
[1:45:13] announced a recruitment drive
[1:45:16] for 2022. And we'll be
[1:45:19] forecasting hopefully 10 to 12
[1:45:21] new recruits. And hopefully
[1:45:23] we'll be of course loading them
[1:45:25] in the month of May or June.
[1:45:29] Fire prevention, we continue to
[1:45:31] conduct inspections. Um as
[1:45:33] outlined in our ENR. as well as
[1:45:37] we'll be conducting a
[1:45:39] door-to-door smoke detector
[1:45:40] campaign that's going to be
[1:45:42] announced through social media
[1:45:43] and so forth which will align
[1:45:46] with our recruitment drive.
[1:45:50] We've also we'll be adding some
[1:45:52] fire inspectors to our fire
[1:45:55] prevention division. This will
[1:45:56] be within each station to
[1:45:58] assist the senior fire
[1:45:59] prevention officer. Uh conduct
[1:46:01] inspections throughout the the
[1:46:03] township. In terms of our
[1:46:06] fleet, we recently implemented
[1:46:08] a new vehicle and equipment
[1:46:09] inspection system called Check
[1:46:12] It for Apparatus. This is an
[1:46:14] online system that's
[1:46:16] implemented for provides
[1:46:18] inspection required
[1:46:21] inspections, weekly
[1:46:22] inspections, as well as
[1:46:23] inventories. All are are
[1:46:25] assets. Uh tracking
[1:46:28] maintenance, as well as any
[1:46:30] fuel. So, we'll be able to to
[1:46:32] visualize and see it and
[1:46:34] year-end report providing where
[1:46:36] the required sleet and how much
[1:46:38] increase in vehicles and so
[1:46:40] forth and which fleet we need
[1:46:41] to address specific items. So,
[1:46:43] it'll be a great tool of moving
[1:46:44] forward. Uh that pretty much
[1:46:47] concludes my report. Thank you.
[1:46:48] for your report. Any
[1:46:50] questions? comments from
[1:46:52] anybody? Okay, you've heard the
[1:46:55] motion, all in favor of the
[1:46:56] motion. Carried. Thank you,
[1:46:58] Matthew. Um we have another
[1:47:01] business, we Councilor Noble
[1:47:03] has requested to address to
[1:47:06] talk about the a Zoom vote.
[1:47:10] Thank you for reminding me. I
[1:47:12] just wondered what we have to
[1:47:15] do, what we have to do
[1:47:16] officially to allow us to vote
[1:47:20] while we're attending the
[1:47:22] meetings because like if it was
[1:47:23] last night, I wouldn't have
[1:47:24] come. Um so, obviously, watch
[1:47:26] and I guess I could just text
[1:47:28] in a vote but like what do we
[1:47:30] have to do to make those things
[1:47:31] legal? Yes, please go ahead.
[1:47:35] So, through mister Stephanie
[1:47:37] Mayer. Um so, Councilor Noble,
[1:47:39] we have to change the procedure
[1:47:40] of bylaw to allow electronic
[1:47:42] voting. So, what you're
[1:47:43] suggesting is that, you know,
[1:47:44] if you hadn't been able to
[1:47:45] attend that we would put you
[1:47:47] somehow up on the screen and
[1:47:48] that you'd be able to vote here
[1:47:49] at the council table. So,
[1:47:51] there's two different options.
[1:47:52] There's one where you can have
[1:47:53] a procedural bylaw change where
[1:47:55] the counselor can view from
[1:47:57] home but not have voting rights
[1:47:58] and then the second option is
[1:48:00] to allow them to be able to
[1:48:01] vote from afar. We haven't
[1:48:04] brought that change to council
[1:48:05] because we haven't been
[1:48:07] requested as staff to do so.
[1:48:08] that's why I wanted you to
[1:48:09] bring it up today for Council
[1:48:11] to sort of discuss and then, we
[1:48:12] can certainly bring back a
[1:48:14] change for the procedure. By
[1:48:15] the way, I have some other
[1:48:16] administrative things I'd like
[1:48:16] to change as well that I can
[1:48:19] bring at the same time. It's
[1:48:20] just, you don't like to bring
[1:48:21] your procedural bylaw too
[1:48:22] often. Usually a couple of
[1:48:24] times during the term so. Yeah,
[1:48:26] just so we, you can vote, you
[1:48:28] can count, and your attendance
[1:48:30] counted, you were there. Mm
[1:48:31] hmm. Whether your sunny south
[1:48:32] or at home. Thank you.
[1:48:40] to at a council meeting because
[1:48:42] I'm I'm utterly opposed to it.
[1:48:45] I think you need to be at a
[1:48:46] meeting and I think it'll be
[1:48:49] just become an excuse on a
[1:48:50] night where maybe the roads are
[1:48:52] bad, maybe they aren't, that
[1:48:53] you're not going to be here. I
[1:48:54] think if we're having in-person
[1:48:56] meetings, we have in-person
[1:48:57] meetings. If we have a night
[1:48:58] like last night, we would have
[1:48:59] cancelled the meeting,
[1:49:00] obviously. So, I I don't I don't like that idea. I
[1:49:04] don't think it's you know, I'm
[1:49:06] sitting in Mexico and I'm come
[1:49:11] on and you know, I just don't
[1:49:13] think it's proper. I think that
[1:49:14] you should be here at the
[1:49:16] meeting and but again, that's
[1:49:18] just my opinion. Uh all members
[1:49:20] of council want a different
[1:49:21] way. I just look at we've done
[1:49:24] this now for since amalgamation
[1:49:26] since 98 and we haven't had
[1:49:27] those kind of issues. I know
[1:49:29] we're moving forward in a
[1:49:30] different kind of world but I I
[1:49:32] just don't see it. Councilor
[1:49:34] Wendy? Right? Ray, I agree with
[1:49:37] a lot of what you're saying.
[1:49:38] However, their circumstances
[1:49:40] where maybe you can't leave
[1:49:41] your home because you might be
[1:49:42] a caregiver. There might be
[1:49:43] extenuating circumstances that
[1:49:46] the flexibility to allow
[1:49:48] someone to attend from home
[1:49:49] through Zoom and be able to
[1:49:50] vote I think is is a good
[1:49:52] option and maybe there's just
[1:49:54] parameters around how we allow
[1:49:56] that to happen. Um can I can I
[1:49:59] make a suggestion? Um that I
[1:50:01] think the our mayor's
[1:50:04] suggestion of bringing it to
[1:50:05] council with a report so that
[1:50:08] we can formally you know debate
[1:50:10] the issue because I I I know
[1:50:12] that at Counties council
[1:50:15] Councillor Jaworski wasn't
[1:50:17] able. She she wasn't able to be
[1:50:19] at the meeting because she had
[1:50:20] other business. She had to take
[1:50:21] care of so she needed to be in
[1:50:23] front of her screen and go back
[1:50:24] and forth. Um at home. And so
[1:50:26] she was to attend the meeting.
[1:50:29] That was, it's not written in
[1:50:31] into the procedural bylaw
[1:50:33] there, but she did request, it
[1:50:35] was a formal request to, to
[1:50:37] have that happen. Otherwise,
[1:50:38] she wouldn't have been able to
[1:50:39] participate. So, I think there
[1:50:41] are pluses and minuses, and, so, if, go ahead. Yeah, no,
[1:50:46] I think, like I have no issue
[1:50:48] making it like twice a year or
[1:50:50] something, just, you know, so
[1:50:51] you don't just every Saturday
[1:50:52] or every Mondays, yeah, I
[1:50:54] don't, I don't feel like going,
[1:50:55] just, I seriously can't get
[1:50:56] there, I seriously, you know,
[1:50:58] because obviously, we have
[1:51:00] snowstorms that don't happen
[1:51:01] here. Um two roads apart there.
[1:51:04] So, there are certain certain
[1:51:05] things that I think, yeah, if
[1:51:07] you make it just, it has to be
[1:51:09] a really good reason or it has
[1:51:10] to be only twice a year or I
[1:51:11] mean, does our attendance even
[1:51:14] count? You know what I mean?
[1:51:16] Like, if you miss forty
[1:51:17] meetings, obviously the problem
[1:51:17] but if you may miss two or
[1:51:20] three. More than two in a row.
[1:51:21] Uh The third one you can you
[1:51:25] can be removed from counsel.
[1:51:27] Right. Right. So, I think there
[1:51:29] has to be a backup for that.
[1:51:30] Just to that point, I mean, I
[1:51:31] know we can keep talking about
[1:51:32] this but let's get a report
[1:51:33] from and have a full a full
[1:51:36] debate at council. Sure. That's
[1:51:37] what we should be. Okay, thank
[1:51:40] you. Uh if everyone's okay, we
[1:51:42] will we will skip matters
[1:51:44] arising from Standing Committee
[1:51:46] s due to time constraints we
[1:51:48] need to get on with the other
[1:51:49] meeting. Um so, if that's
[1:51:52] alright with everybody, then,
[1:51:53] do we don't have any notice of
[1:51:55] motion? Um Councilor Manly if
[1:51:58] you would please adjourn the
[1:52:00] meeting. Deputy mayor move on
[1:52:02] myself second by Councilor
[1:52:04] Madden to be known for the
[1:52:05] business discuss. The meeting
[1:52:05] was adjourned at 453 PM. Okay
[1:52:09] and once heard the motion all
[1:52:11] in favor. Okay Carrie. So thank
[1:52:13] you. I'll pass the chair back
[1:52:15] over to the mayor and we'll
[1:52:17] move into the the special
[1:52:20] meeting.
[1:52:43] We're not we're not using our
[1:52:46] microphones enough. And also
[1:52:48] for all of staff it makes no
[1:52:51] sense for if we're going to if
[1:52:53] it's all about transparency
[1:52:54] please get up and go to the
[1:52:55] microphone until you know it's
[1:52:57] such time that we move to the
[1:52:58] new place and everybody has a
[1:52:59] microphone. Uh just because we
[1:53:01] can't hear anything you're
[1:53:02] saying unless you're at a
[1:53:04] microphone. So it's just very
[1:53:07] confusing listening to it on
[1:53:08] the way here and you you don't
[1:53:10] really know what the the flow
[1:53:11] of the meeting that's happening
[1:53:13] just for people at the just for
[1:53:15] those people that you know that
[1:53:16] want to have meetings at home.
[1:53:18] So just kidding. Okay, I'll
[1:53:21] call the meeting to order. Are
[1:53:22] there any decorations of
[1:53:23] interest or the general nature
[1:53:25] thereof? Seeing none. I have a
[1:53:27] motion moved by Deputy Mayor
[1:53:29] Williams. Seconded by Councilor
[1:53:31] Massey that the Council of
[1:53:33] Township in North Glengarry
[1:53:34] accepts the agenda of the
[1:53:35] Special Medium Council. On
[1:53:36] Wednesday February 23rd 2022.
[1:53:41] any discussion. Seeing none,
[1:53:43] all those in favor of the
[1:53:44] motion. Motion is carried. Uh
[1:53:47] and we will move right on to
[1:53:49] delegations, IHA, Canada,
[1:53:51] presented by Will Ball and
[1:53:52] Steve Griefson. Welcome Will.
[1:53:57] Thank you everybody. Uh first
[1:53:59] off, I'm going to have to
[1:54:02] apologize for Steve. It's funny
[1:54:03] that we brought up the weather.
[1:54:05] Uh Steve got stuck in at his
[1:54:09] house with the ice storm and he
[1:54:10] wasn't able to make it today.
[1:54:11] He is on the call on the
[1:54:13] council virtually. So, come the
[1:54:15] question period. I think we're
[1:54:18] going to be able to bring
[1:54:19] Steven to answer questions as
[1:54:21] well. So, okay. So, I guess
[1:54:25] this is the same. Okay, well,
[1:54:27] as as the mayor said, my name
[1:54:30] is Will Vall. I'm the CEO of
[1:54:32] IHA Canada and I've been one of
[1:54:34] the founders from the early
[1:54:37] stages of this project. Uh I
[1:54:39] appreciate the opportunity to
[1:54:40] present everybody. I think I've
[1:54:42] had a chance to meet most of
[1:54:44] you in the past but I I do see
[1:54:46] a couple of new faces. How you
[1:54:47] doing? Um this has been quite a
[1:54:51] journey you know I was
[1:54:55] reflecting on this as I was
[1:54:56] putting together this
[1:54:58] presentation and you know,
[1:55:00] personally, I started working
[1:55:01] on this project more than three
[1:55:03] years ago when it was an idea
[1:55:07] and I was pretty thankful that
[1:55:10] North Glengarry took us up on
[1:55:12] exploring that idea in a lot
[1:55:15] more detail now at this point.
[1:55:16] So, I also want to thank a
[1:55:20] couple of folks in this room
[1:55:21] specifically Jacob and Sarah
[1:55:23] who have been really helpful
[1:55:27] and masterful part of bringing
[1:55:29] this to a point of actually
[1:55:31] being able to present this to
[1:55:33] council. So so thanks to them
[1:55:35] as well. And I'll get right
[1:55:37] into it. Um this is our mission
[1:55:40] statement. So I'll read it out
[1:55:41] for most of the folks that
[1:55:43] haven't seen it. Uh at IHA
[1:55:44] Canada we provide innovative,
[1:55:46] independent, and progressive
[1:55:47] care lifestyle living with a
[1:55:49] fully integrated campus of care
[1:55:51] support and services for
[1:55:53] seniors. Uh we do this by
[1:55:56] providing affordable rental
[1:55:57] accommodations with a safe and
[1:55:59] sustainable village setting
[1:56:00] supported by optional high
[1:56:02] quality and fully integrated
[1:56:05] senior center health senior
[1:56:06] centered health care, home
[1:56:07] care, and wellness related
[1:56:09] support services and
[1:56:11] activities. That's a bit of a
[1:56:13] mouthful. But essentially the
[1:56:17] theme of it is providing
[1:56:19] affordable accommodations for
[1:56:22] folks with a variety of needs
[1:56:25] that allow them to adapt the
[1:56:29] care that they receive within
[1:56:30] the dwelling that they live in
[1:56:32] without having to move. So,
[1:56:34] that's really what our goal was
[1:56:35] from the start and and what I
[1:56:37] think we've we've accomplished
[1:56:39] with with what I'm about to
[1:56:40] present. So, if you look at
[1:56:44] this slide here, this is an
[1:56:46] excerpt from the architectural
[1:56:48] site plan. I don't know how
[1:56:50] well you can actually see that
[1:56:51] on the screen. Um but it's on
[1:56:55] the vacant land directly north
[1:56:58] of the hospital. And if you
[1:57:00] notice here phase like
[1:57:08] along the eastern border of the
[1:57:11] site. Specifically, right as
[1:57:14] Touchette Street turns into
[1:57:16] industrial, that is the initial
[1:57:20] connection into into the local
[1:57:22] streets. I'll zoom in on the
[1:57:24] next slide to see it a little
[1:57:26] bit better. So, this is an
[1:57:29] image of phase one. Uh it's
[1:57:31] just a zoomed up version of the
[1:57:33] last slide we were looking at.
[1:57:35] Uh you'll see we've taken a bit
[1:57:37] of a different approach to
[1:57:39] housing development and just
[1:57:42] setting up housing in general.
[1:57:44] What we've really focused on
[1:57:46] was
[1:57:49] deemphasizin
[1:57:49] g the the vehicle
[1:57:52] in a traditional housing space
[1:57:54] by creating parking lots as you
[1:57:57] see here and really taking the dwelling, the house, and
[1:58:03] making that the central focus
[1:58:04] of the living space. So,
[1:58:06] there's a couple of positives
[1:58:08] that come out of that. Number
[1:58:08] one, by removing the need to
[1:58:11] have a vehicle directly
[1:58:12] adjacent to every dwelling. Uh
[1:58:15] we are able to create smaller
[1:58:18] tighter spaces that encourage a
[1:58:21] sense of strong sense of
[1:58:22] community between adjacent
[1:58:23] neighbors because the roadways
[1:58:24] don't need to be as big and
[1:58:26] what we really wanted to foster
[1:58:29] was a the concept of what we
[1:58:32] call pocket neighbourhoods. And
[1:58:34] I know I've I've preached this
[1:58:35] to this council before. Um but
[1:58:38] what it really means is by
[1:58:40] getting rid of that vehicle and
[1:58:42] putting it off to the side you
[1:58:44] end up having small parquettes
[1:58:47] and more green space within
[1:58:51] your actual living vicinity and
[1:58:55] putting the the vehicle not
[1:58:56] far. I mean, in our case, I
[1:58:58] think the furthest vehicle is
[1:59:00] about 50 meters away from the
[1:59:02] furthest line. So, it's not far
[1:59:03] but it just gets it a little
[1:59:05] bit far enough away that you
[1:59:07] really focus on garden space,
[1:59:09] green space, and trees within
[1:59:11] the immediate vicinity of your
[1:59:13] living space. Um within phase
[1:59:15] one and phase two, we have a
[1:59:18] mixture of units ranging from
[1:59:21] single detached houses, semi
[1:59:24] detached, as well as deluxe and
[1:59:26] standard row units. The the
[1:59:29] rationale for that is again
[1:59:32] trying to really serve a
[1:59:35] variety of individuals and
[1:59:37] people at different
[1:59:38] socioeconomic levels from
[1:59:40] people that want that larger
[1:59:42] space or maybe there are
[1:59:44] couples so they need a larger
[1:59:45] space. Um right down to
[1:59:47] somebody who is much more
[1:59:49] budget conscious. Maybe they're
[1:59:51] an individual so they don't
[1:59:51] need as much space or they have
[1:59:53] mobility issues that having a
[1:59:54] larger to clean, become
[1:59:57] encumbersome. So, that is why
[2:00:00] we did this range of housing
[2:00:04] units, but what we also wanted
[2:00:06] to avoid was having areas where
[2:00:11] All the singles are in one
[2:00:12] location. And then all the row
[2:00:14] housing is in another location.
[2:00:16] Cuz now you create a scenario
[2:00:18] where you have areas where
[2:00:20] maybe you have the haves and
[2:00:21] you have areas where there's
[2:00:22] the have nots. So the people
[2:00:25] that aren't as fortunate. So in
[2:00:26] the site planning process we
[2:00:28] really and I'll give our
[2:00:31] architects a lot of credit
[2:00:32] because they they didn't like
[2:00:33] me much during this process.
[2:00:34] But we really pushed hard to
[2:00:38] create mixtures every area of
[2:00:42] this development both phase 1
[2:00:43] and two of, you know, you might
[2:00:46] have a standard rowhouse right
[2:00:47] next to a single and we think
[2:00:49] that makes for a much more
[2:00:50] vibrant community within within
[2:00:52] our development. Yeah, please.
[2:00:58] Uh I'd just like to go back to
[2:01:00] parking for a second. Yep. Uh I
[2:01:02] completely understand you know
[2:01:04] the idea behind creating a
[2:01:05] walkable community focused on a
[2:01:09] natural environment and and and
[2:01:12] a you know bringing people
[2:01:14] together. Uh But it's a seniors
[2:01:19] development. You know designed
[2:01:21] for people who are aging. And
[2:01:24] in some cases, as you pointed
[2:01:25] out, we'll have mobility
[2:01:26] issues. Um I don't know but
[2:01:31] walking from some of those
[2:01:32] units to the parking area for
[2:01:34] somebody with mobility issues.
[2:01:36] It 50 meters is a long way for
[2:01:39] sure. So, first off, I'll
[2:01:42] address that by insight
[2:01:44] planning. We actually consulted
[2:01:45] with some of our healthcare
[2:01:47] partners to set those
[2:01:50] parameters on what is because
[2:01:51] the question we essentially
[2:01:52] asked ourselves is exactly what
[2:01:54] you brought up. Hey, we want to
[2:01:56] decentralize the car and and
[2:01:59] but how far is too far, I
[2:02:00] guess, is ultimately the
[2:02:01] question we were trying to
[2:02:02] answer and that number seemed
[2:02:05] to keep creeping up. Now, with
[2:02:07] that said, we've also
[2:02:10] strategized and I'll talk about
[2:02:12] barrier free units in a moment.
[2:02:14] Um but the way we're
[2:02:16] structuring this is the barrier
[2:02:17] for units, IE typically for
[2:02:21] somebody with more mobility
[2:02:22] issues are the ones that are
[2:02:24] actually going to be closer to
[2:02:25] the parking lots. So, the the
[2:02:28] way we've strategized the
[2:02:29] actual and we're going to sort
[2:02:30] this out in in detail during
[2:02:32] the building permitting but the
[2:02:34] units closest to the parking
[2:02:36] lot are going to be the ones
[2:02:37] that are designed as barrier
[2:02:38] free. So, to address exactly
[2:02:40] the point you brought up, that
[2:02:42] strategically, those ones will
[2:02:45] be earmarked for individuals
[2:02:46] with with higher mobility it's
[2:02:50] not perfect. You know,
[2:02:51] obviously, some, you know, the
[2:02:53] one, the, you know, right next
[2:02:55] to the parking lot is going to
[2:02:56] be a little bit better than the
[2:02:58] one two units down but as a
[2:03:00] general strategy, we've
[2:03:02] earmarked the closest units to
[2:03:04] be the ones to serve people
[2:03:05] with the highest needs.
[2:03:10] Okay, so, phase two, you'll
[2:03:14] look here is, is located. Go
[2:03:16] ahead, just hold on. Sorry,
[2:03:16] just while while you're talking
[2:03:18] about that, I'm looking and I'm
[2:03:20] zooming in as much as I can.
[2:03:23] Um, so say for the houses that
[2:03:26] are up top, I see the parking
[2:03:27] lot here in this parking lot
[2:03:28] there. If I'm delivering a
[2:03:31] chair or something, is the car
[2:03:33] able to pull up to any of those
[2:03:34] houses? No. If there's, if
[2:03:37] there's a chair being done,
[2:03:38] they're they're going to have
[2:03:39] to be walked in the same way
[2:03:40] that you'd have to do if you
[2:03:41] live in an apartment building
[2:03:43] or something like that. You get
[2:03:44] it as as close as possible, and
[2:03:46] then, and then it'll have to be
[2:03:47] Shepherd in. Okay. No, I'm just
[2:03:48] like a big grocery day or all
[2:03:50] that kind of stuff. You're
[2:03:51] never going to be able to pull
[2:03:52] up your car. No. Again, because
[2:03:56] there's also a factor that if
[2:03:57] you're able to pull up your
[2:03:58] car, then, people will, right?
[2:04:00] So, in order to keep those
[2:04:03] pathways walkable, we want to
[2:04:06] make sure people don't take
[2:04:07] their cars right up and they're
[2:04:09] not really designed for regular
[2:04:11] traffic use. Now, again, with
[2:04:13] that said, we are working on a
[2:04:17] couple of programs that we are
[2:04:20] looking to integrate into our
[2:04:21] service delivery that will
[2:04:23] address things like like
[2:04:26] carrying groceries from your
[2:04:27] car for somebody that isn't
[2:04:29] able to do that. But I that
[2:04:30] hasn't been considered in the, site planning process.
[2:04:33] Okay and I'm also thinking like
[2:04:34] ambulance and all that kind of
[2:04:36] stuff. So the ambulance meets
[2:04:37] all the requirements for
[2:04:39] Ontario Building Code as far as
[2:04:40] getting close enough that
[2:04:42] paramedics can can walk can
[2:04:43] bring the a stretcher. For
[2:04:45] instance in into the unit.
[2:04:48] Right not the 50 meters though.
[2:04:49] Like they could pull up someway
[2:04:52] to they can get fairly close. I
[2:04:54] know some of our guys are
[2:04:55] creative but. yeah. Now, the pathways are have actually
[2:05:00] geotechnically been designed
[2:05:02] that they can be driven on. So,
[2:05:04] in in an emergency. Okay. Yes.
[2:05:07] So, you you would be able to
[2:05:08] drive on them but as a general
[2:05:10] rule, we don't want people, driving on the walking
[2:05:12] paths.
[2:05:21] Okay, so you're looking at
[2:05:22] phase two here. It's it's quite
[2:05:22] a similar type of layout to
[2:05:23] phase one. Um there's a a few
[2:05:26] more singles and if you'll
[2:05:27] notice, along the eastern or or
[2:05:31] left side of the of the drawing
[2:05:33] here, those are all the single
[2:05:35] units and they will actually be
[2:05:36] the ones that will have
[2:05:38] driveways with covered parking.
[2:05:40] So, there are some on like ones
[2:05:41] that front onto the street and
[2:05:43] specifically the singles but
[2:05:44] I'll show you an image of it
[2:05:45] later in this presentation that
[2:05:45] I'll I'll make that clear.
[2:05:55] So, some key stats for our
[2:05:55] project. Um what we're
[2:05:56] proposing as part of this
[2:05:57] current site plan application
[2:05:58] is the first two of a ten-phase
[2:06:01] development.
[2:06:05] The reason we're doing it in
[2:06:06] phases is, well, a variety of
[2:06:08] reasons. It's prudent
[2:06:11] financially to not try to build
[2:06:13] 700 houses in one shot and we
[2:06:17] want but but additionally, we
[2:06:19] want to be able to evaluate
[2:06:23] whether the assumptions that we
[2:06:25] made for housing type and
[2:06:27] housing mix are accurate. You
[2:06:29] know, we we've done some
[2:06:30] demographic research. We have a
[2:06:31] pretty good sense that we've
[2:06:32] got it right. Uh we're really
[2:06:34] going to know until folks start
[2:06:38] moving in and start telling us
[2:06:39] all the things we did wrong and really reevaluate what
[2:06:45] we're going to do for
[2:06:45] subsequent phases. So, from a
[2:06:48] company strategy standpoint, it
[2:06:50] actually made a lot more sense
[2:06:52] to start with two, prove that
[2:06:54] we can do it, and that, you
[2:06:56] know, really walk before we can
[2:06:58] run and then, we'll have a lot
[2:07:00] more data to be able to pull on
[2:07:01] from subsequent phases to be
[2:07:03] able to design phase 3 and
[2:07:05] beyond. Uh phase one consists
[2:07:08] of 57 units. Uh five singles,
[2:07:11] 16 semis, eighteen deluxe row
[2:07:14] homes, and 18 standard row
[2:07:15] homes. Uh phase two, fifty-two
[2:07:19] units that are eight singles,
[2:07:21] 14 semis, twenty-four deluxe
[2:07:23] rows, and 16 standard rows. So,
[2:07:26] as you can see, like I was
[2:07:27] saying before, we really did
[2:07:29] focus on trying to put together
[2:07:31] quite a even distribution of
[2:07:34] unit types to be able to of all demographic types. Um
[2:07:42] Building timing. Uh we're
[2:07:44] anticipating building
[2:07:46] permitting to take
[2:07:47] approximately four to five
[2:07:48] months on the completion after
[2:07:51] the completion of the site plan
[2:07:52] approval. Uh which gets us
[2:07:55] beginning construction in the
[2:07:57] third quarter of this year.
[2:07:59] Give or take. Um Jacob's
[2:08:01] kicking me under the table over
[2:08:02] here. But but that's that's the
[2:08:05] timing we're looking at. So we plan on building this
[2:08:08] summer. Uh we have all our
[2:08:10] financing in place to be able
[2:08:12] to do it. Um but the last stage
[2:08:15] once once we do achieve site
[2:08:17] plan approval is to go through
[2:08:20] building permitting and then ultimately begin
[2:08:22] servicing midway through the
[2:08:24] summer. So, some key parts of
[2:08:29] this project. There's a lot of
[2:08:31] them. Sorry for all the text.
[2:08:34] Um so, our main building
[2:08:37] partner or our building partner
[2:08:38] is Oakwood Homes out of Ottawa,
[2:08:40] Ontario. Um I'm not sure if
[2:08:43] anybody's is or isn't familiar
[2:08:45] with them but they're one of
[2:08:46] the one of the premium home
[2:08:49] builders in Ottawa. Uh mostly a
[2:08:52] custom home builder but they
[2:08:53] are getting into the the larger
[2:08:56] scale and we're really excited
[2:08:58] because they actually bring a
[2:09:02] bit of a different approach to
[2:09:03] home building. They have a a
[2:09:05] very strong tech backing. Um a
[2:09:07] lot of their their systems that
[2:09:09] are in place are are really
[2:09:11] very unique in the home
[2:09:13] building space. So we're
[2:09:13] excited to have them as a
[2:09:15] partner. Um all the all the
[2:09:19] houses are being designed to a
[2:09:20] standard called zero net carbon
[2:09:22] housing. And that a new concept
[2:09:24] for me too but I learned all
[2:09:26] about it. So, what it means is
[2:09:28] a combination of very
[2:09:31] high-efficiency homes, energy
[2:09:34] usages being a fraction of what
[2:09:36] a code designed house would
[2:09:38] have. Uh as well as low-carbon
[2:09:42] source material for building
[2:09:44] materials, everything from, you
[2:09:46] know, what, you know, obviously
[2:09:47] the wood but also, you know,
[2:09:50] materials for your kitchen,
[2:09:50] your bathroom, all that. It all
[2:09:52] goes into a calculation of
[2:09:54] minimizing the carbon footprint
[2:09:56] the house. And ultimately there
[2:09:58] is offsetting that is involved
[2:10:00] in it as well. But basically
[2:10:01] it's a it's a standard to try
[2:10:03] to get that house to have as a
[2:10:06] net zero carbon input impact on
[2:10:10] the planet obviously to support
[2:10:11] the fight against climate
[2:10:12] change. Uh additionally we are
[2:10:17] planning to build these homes
[2:10:19] partially in support of what I
[2:10:20] just said but also really to a
[2:10:23] very very high quality of high
[2:10:25] quality standard. Um we Don't
[2:10:27] want these homes to feel cheap.
[2:10:30] That is the number one reason
[2:10:33] we're doing that. We want folks
[2:10:36] that are living here to feel
[2:10:38] proud of their houses, to feel
[2:10:41] that they have something to
[2:10:43] really show off. and
[2:10:45] ultimately, you know, from a
[2:10:48] selfish standpoint, higher
[2:10:50] quality means we don't have as
[2:10:51] much upkeep because if we use
[2:10:53] better materials, if we use
[2:10:55] better construction process,
[2:10:56] the houses will last longer,
[2:10:58] they'll look nicer for
[2:11:00] significantly longer, and
[2:11:02] ultimately, that high
[2:11:03] efficiency that we're trying to
[2:11:04] achieve, will remain in place
[2:11:07] for longer. So, quality really
[2:11:08] has a has a overall benefit to
[2:11:10] everybody beyond just looking
[2:11:13] nice. Additionally from a site
[2:11:16] planning perspective, we
[2:11:18] designed the stormwater system
[2:11:21] under principles known as
[2:11:23] low-impact development and I'm
[2:11:25] not sure it's relatively new if so I'm not sure if
[2:11:29] everybody's heard of it, but
[2:11:30] basically what it is, it's, a principle of trying to
[2:11:34] minimize runoff, and encourage
[2:11:38] as much groundwater
[2:11:40] reinfiltration as possible.
[2:11:42] It's a big push in the city of
[2:11:44] Ottawa right now, but it will
[2:11:46] be rolling out across the
[2:11:48] province, likely in a few
[2:11:49] years, and it's
[2:11:56] Point. It means that roadside
[2:11:59] ditches don't don't have as
[2:12:01] much runoff coming from them
[2:12:03] and natural systems, natural
[2:12:05] groundwater systems get far
[2:12:06] more recharged than they would
[2:12:08] have got under a conventional
[2:12:11] stone water pipe. Uh now, we've
[2:12:13] designed this to be
[2:12:15] conservative in the sense that
[2:12:18] the pipes have been designed
[2:12:20] such that they don't need
[2:12:23] infiltration. So, there's there
[2:12:24] are large their size large
[2:12:25] enough that they can handle the
[2:12:27] full capacity but we know that
[2:12:29] there will be infiltration and
[2:12:30] a perforated pipe So it's a double check imbalance.
[2:12:34] We did the LEDs but we also in
[2:12:36] size the systems large enough
[2:12:37] that if for whatever reason it
[2:12:40] doesn't work, it's still large
[2:12:42] enough and there's no issues
[2:12:43] with with flooding downstream
[2:12:44] or within the development.
[2:12:47] We've made a big focus on
[2:12:50] native tree species and native
[2:12:52] vegetation. Uh this was my
[2:12:55] second opportunity to work with
[2:12:57] a landscape architect And very
[2:12:59] fascinating people and when we
[2:13:03] came to this, when we brought
[2:13:04] them to the site, they were
[2:13:07] pretty blown away with the
[2:13:09] amount of opportunity there was
[2:13:12] on the site to salvage trees,
[2:13:16] to relocate trees, and really
[2:13:19] try to conserve as much of the
[2:13:20] salvageable vegetation as we
[2:13:22] can. Um through a variety of of
[2:13:25] means. Uh number one, planning
[2:13:28] the site planning
[2:13:30] appropriately. Now,
[2:13:31] unfortunately, there's not in
[2:13:33] within phase one and two,
[2:13:35] there's actually not that much
[2:13:36] of vegetation. So, this is
[2:13:36] really more for for latter
[2:13:39] phases Um but where we can,
[2:13:41] we're going to be transplanting
[2:13:43] trees and relocating them into
[2:13:44] a nursery that we are going to
[2:13:47] be putting in place on parts of
[2:13:50] the site that we haven't
[2:13:51] developed yet. And again, this
[2:13:53] is not just because we want to
[2:13:55] pat ourselves on the back from
[2:13:57] an environmental standpoint.
[2:13:59] Yes, we we we do find it
[2:14:01] valuable and we want to
[2:14:01] encourage tree growth but the
[2:14:03] way we also see it is is it's
[2:14:05] an opportunity to make use of
[2:14:07] lands that we have aren't quite
[2:14:09] ready to develop By growing
[2:14:12] native species to ewes on our
[2:14:15] site. So it's an opportunity to
[2:14:17] foster tree growth and also
[2:14:20] conserve trees that are already
[2:14:21] there while also allowing them
[2:14:25] to grow in the you know five
[2:14:27] years that it takes that before
[2:14:28] we actually need them. So we're quite proud of that. And right now that's being year
[2:14:32] marked for the western portion
[2:14:35] of the site. Um for this for
[2:14:38] this interim nursery.
[2:14:42] Additionally, through a
[2:14:44] partnership with a company out
[2:14:46] of Europe, we are planning
[2:14:48] what's called the district
[2:14:49] heating and cooling system for houses within the village.
[2:14:54] What does that mean? Most
[2:14:56] people are fairly familiar with
[2:14:58] ground source heat pumps.
[2:15:00] They're they're starting to
[2:15:01] come into into fashion and you
[2:15:03] know, I'll probably have a
[2:15:05] friend who has one of those in
[2:15:06] their houses. similar principle
[2:15:10] except rather than being done
[2:15:12] for an individual unit. It's
[2:15:14] being done for a block of
[2:15:16] units. Approximately 25 to 30
[2:15:18] units will be run off a larger
[2:15:20] heat pump that circulates hot
[2:15:22] and cold. Uh it's a grind. Um
[2:15:26] within a circulatory system
[2:15:27] that is used to heat the
[2:15:29] houses. There's couple reasons
[2:15:31] we're doing that. Number one,
[2:15:34] it's very efficient. Most
[2:15:36] efficient way to heat and cool
[2:15:37] a home is through ground source
[2:15:39] heat pumps. That's why people
[2:15:40] do them in their houses. Number
[2:15:42] two, by looking at a district
[2:15:44] system as opposed to individual
[2:15:47] units. Uh number one, our
[2:15:49] there's a lot less
[2:15:50] infrastructure. Uh within a a
[2:15:52] fairly dense neighborhood.
[2:15:54] Well, we also get economies of
[2:15:56] scale. You know, by buying
[2:15:58] larger heat pump systems and
[2:16:00] servicing a larger number of
[2:16:02] units with that system, The
[2:16:05] cost per unit dramatically
[2:16:08] drops. So, in support of lower
[2:16:11] the overall opera development
[2:16:14] and operating cost of our
[2:16:16] units. We spread that out over
[2:16:18] a larger number of units and we
[2:16:20] can actually translate that
[2:16:22] into lower cost. To our
[2:16:24] individual to to our residents.
[2:16:26] So I'm we're quite proud of it
[2:16:27] and that from what I can tell
[2:16:31] might be a first in Canada.
[2:16:32] Because I looked and I I
[2:16:34] haven't seen any other examples
[2:16:36] of this being done. But we have
[2:16:38] the technical backing systems
[2:16:40] basically already and and
[2:16:43] that's how we intend to to do
[2:16:45] this. I'm I'm quite proud of
[2:16:47] it. Phase one and two are going
[2:16:49] to be conventionally built By
[2:16:52] that, I mean, framers on site,
[2:16:54] tradespeople coming in, and
[2:16:56] building a house as the way
[2:16:57] most people would know how to
[2:16:59] build a house. Base three and
[2:17:02] beyond are going to be a little
[2:17:03] bit different. Uh face, latter
[2:17:07] phases through our partnership
[2:17:08] with Oakwood Homes are going to
[2:17:11] be primarily built offsite.
[2:17:14] They are in the process of
[2:17:15] finishing construction on a
[2:17:18] state-of-the-art manufacturing
[2:17:19] facility that will essentially
[2:17:23] use robotic technology to put
[2:17:24] together 80 to 90% of a house
[2:17:27] offsite and then it's shipped
[2:17:29] in and stitched together with a
[2:17:30] they call it a stitch crew on
[2:17:32] the site that has a couple of benefits. Number one,
[2:17:38] quality control within a
[2:17:40] manufacturing process is
[2:17:41] significantly better than, you
[2:17:43] know, when you're out in the
[2:17:44] field and trades are coming and
[2:17:46] going and so your your QAQC is significantly better. Cost
[2:17:51] production actually goes quite a bit lower like it would
[2:17:55] with any other large
[2:17:57] manufacturing process. So, we
[2:17:59] can actually build the homes
[2:18:01] for cheaper than somebody else
[2:18:04] would be able to do
[2:18:05] conventionally building it
[2:18:06] while still maintaining the
[2:18:07] same spec. Again, this is all
[2:18:10] in the theme of trying to lower
[2:18:11] our cost to build, to be able
[2:18:14] to drive that affordability, to
[2:18:16] our residents. So, that's
[2:18:19] really, really exciting.
[2:18:21] They're slotted to finish their
[2:18:23] plant in Q 4 2023. So that's
[2:18:26] why I'm saying it it will
[2:18:28] likely be phase three before we
[2:18:30] actually start using these offside house I already
[2:18:36] addressed barrier-free
[2:18:37] accommodations but just to
[2:18:40] reiterate it, we are providing
[2:18:44] accommodations and I'll and
[2:18:44] I'll show in some of the floor plans a little bit later.
[2:18:47] Uh barrier-free access for
[2:18:49] people within in wheelchairs
[2:18:51] and with with other mobility
[2:18:53] issues. Additionally, hold on
[2:18:56] now, Will. Oh, yeah. Oh, sorry.
[2:18:57] Go ahead. Just so, just so that
[2:19:00] I don't forget because
[2:19:01] otherwise, if I leave it, I'll
[2:19:03] the with I noticed the plans
[2:19:06] that many of these units have
[2:19:10] in between one and six steps to
[2:19:13] get into the unit. Um it's
[2:19:18] which I I'm not sure why that
[2:19:19] is. I'm assuming maybe it's the
[2:19:21] grade of the the land or what
[2:19:23] but it that you know people who
[2:19:27] have mobility issues use canes,
[2:19:29] walkers. Yeah we're going to be
[2:19:31] utilizing ramps in a lot in a
[2:19:33] lot of the barrier free cases.
[2:19:35] Yeah so part of our
[2:19:37] architecture group is in those
[2:19:39] barrier free units. Obviously
[2:19:40] something with a six step.
[2:19:41] Probably won't be one of the
[2:19:43] barrier for units. Right? But
[2:19:44] on the the lower step up ones
[2:19:47] we're going to solve that issue
[2:19:48] by by ramping. Which has been a
[2:19:50] honestly, it's been a a
[2:19:52] trade-off challenge in in this
[2:19:54] design 'cuz you're balancing
[2:19:57] you know, I, it would be, I
[2:20:00] great if everything was flat.
[2:20:01] You're balancing that with
[2:20:04] particularly stormwater
[2:20:04] management issues of trying to
[2:20:06] bring up the areas in to make
[2:20:09] sure that nobody's house
[2:20:10] floods. So, in the locations
[2:20:13] that we can, ramping will be
[2:20:17] used to, to be able to provide
[2:20:18] that barrier-free access to a
[2:20:21] resident in a wheelchair. Okay,
[2:20:24] it's just, you know, given that
[2:20:26] it is a seniors you know, built
[2:20:29] for seniors. I'm not a senior.
[2:20:31] I have four steps to go into my
[2:20:33] house and it's four steps too
[2:20:35] many. Already. So so you know
[2:20:39] I'm not the only one who'd be
[2:20:40] thinking that. Totally. Yeah. I
[2:20:43] got so much to say. Just let it
[2:20:46] go. Let it go. Go ahead. Thank
[2:20:47] you. No. Yeah. No. It's it's a
[2:20:51] unique it's a unique challenge.
[2:20:52] Trust me. And that's why
[2:20:55] sometimes I think especially in
[2:20:57] the engineering side when we
[2:20:59] come back to our architects and
[2:21:00] say we gotta raise it and they
[2:21:01] go what do you mean? You gotta
[2:21:04] It's it. But Joanne, you have a
[2:21:06] question? appreciate it.
[2:21:12] So it's
[2:21:13] I know we're talking
[2:21:13] about seniors but we also want
[2:21:15] to believe that there are a lot
[2:21:17] of seniors who age in a healthy
[2:21:19] way. And you know exactly who
[2:21:20] I'm referring to. What I'm
[2:21:22] saying. It's my mother's
[2:21:23] ninety-five living in her own
[2:21:24] home with eight steps. So I'm
[2:21:26] glad to see you have a variety
[2:21:29] of accommodations so that you
[2:21:30] can meet the needs of the
[2:21:32] seniors that choose to live in
[2:21:33] that particular unit. It looks
[2:21:34] like you're addressing the
[2:21:36] different levels of you know
[2:21:37] and it's interesting you say
[2:21:38] that. Um and you know we're go
[2:21:39] back to us. It's been a bit of
[2:21:43] a journey. You know, when I
[2:21:44] first was working on this, that
[2:21:47] was a, that was a key question,
[2:21:48] you know, and it was in my head
[2:21:50] and maybe this is the ignorance
[2:21:52] of youth, but I was like, okay,
[2:21:55] well, they should all be my
[2:21:56] barrier free. And when we
[2:21:58] started talking to folks and
[2:22:01] you know, I, I don't know, if
[2:22:03] anybody in this room attended
[2:22:04] some of the focus groups, but
[2:22:06] what, the point you just made
[2:22:08] was exactly the feedback we
[2:22:09] got, is, I, you know, people
[2:22:12] would say, I don't want to feel
[2:22:13] like I'm living in a exactly,
[2:22:17] and, you know, when I'm ready
[2:22:19] to be there, okay, but today,
[2:22:22] no, thank you. You know, and
[2:22:24] there's even, you know, there's
[2:22:25] even other details within the
[2:22:26] units, particularly when you
[2:22:27] get into the bathroom. Um, a
[2:22:29] fully barrier-free bathroom, is
[2:22:32] sometimes not a, all that
[2:22:34] appealing to somebody who
[2:22:35] doesn't need it, right? So,
[2:22:37] that's why really, providing a
[2:22:39] variety of auctions really was the right answer. Some more
[2:22:45] challenging answer, but that
[2:22:48] was the way we ended up going.
[2:22:49] Now, with that said, you
[2:22:51] allowed me to segway really
[2:22:52] nicely into my my points here.
[2:22:55] Um, within the units
[2:22:57] themselves, we're actually
[2:22:59] putting in additional
[2:23:01] infrastructure to be able to
[2:23:03] allow people to age in place.
[2:23:05] So, this has been a big theme
[2:23:06] of this, of this project really
[2:23:07] from the start. You know, I
[2:23:09] would consider it a win. If
[2:23:10] somebody in the same unit for
[2:23:14] 15 years and that unit can be
[2:23:16] changed altered, with a
[2:23:19] relatively minimal amount of
[2:23:21] work. Um as that person ages.
[2:23:23] So, just as an example, grab
[2:23:26] bars in the in the tub. You
[2:23:29] know, some people need them,
[2:23:30] some people don't. Uh well,
[2:23:32] what we're planning on doing is
[2:23:34] within the bathroom setting,
[2:23:35] we're actually putting in the
[2:23:37] blocking and the backing behind
[2:23:38] that bathroom wall. Whether or
[2:23:40] not somebody needs a grab bar
[2:23:44] or not. So, the idea is that
[2:23:45] when if and when somebody needs
[2:23:48] that grabbar, you don't no
[2:23:49] longer need to remove that
[2:23:51] bathroom wall to put in the
[2:23:52] appropriate infrastructure back
[2:23:53] there to be able to install it.
[2:23:55] It's already there. roofs above
[2:23:58] the bed. Not everybody needs
[2:24:01] bed lifts but some people do.
[2:24:03] So, for the sake of putting in
[2:24:04] a little bit of extra
[2:24:06] reinforcement on that ceiling,
[2:24:07] on day one, when somebody needs
[2:24:11] that that bed lift or if and
[2:24:12] when somebody needs that bed
[2:24:14] lift, you don't have to do a
[2:24:15] full retrofit on that roof. You
[2:24:16] just screw it in and it's
[2:24:17] already waiting. So, there's a
[2:24:19] lot of little tricks and again,
[2:24:21] I'll give a lot of credit to
[2:24:23] our our architectural team that
[2:24:25] we're working on to really
[2:24:28] foster that sense that some
[2:24:30] that this is somebody's home
[2:24:31] and it will be some home for
[2:24:33] the long haul as their needs
[2:24:36] change. And we talked a lot
[2:24:39] earlier in this process about
[2:24:42] healthcare monitoring
[2:24:42] technology and that's that
[2:24:44] hasn't gone anywhere. It's just
[2:24:45] as you can see we we added a
[2:24:48] lot to the table.
[2:24:53] That will be, that will be
[2:24:54] installed in every unit,
[2:24:56] however, we fully understand
[2:24:57] and appreciate that not
[2:24:58] everybody is going to need that
[2:24:59] or want that. So, optional
[2:25:02] healthcare monitoring and
[2:25:05] customized to every person's
[2:25:06] individual needs will be
[2:25:08] available within the units and
[2:25:10] again, this is really to try to
[2:25:11] leverage technology to allow
[2:25:15] people to remain independent
[2:25:18] and I guess independent's the
[2:25:21] right word. For as long as
[2:25:24] possible while still being able
[2:25:26] to primarily provide comfort to
[2:25:28] their loved ones that they are
[2:25:30] capable of doing that, you
[2:25:32] know, as as needs change.
[2:25:34] There's a lot of technology out
[2:25:36] there for for aging individuals
[2:25:38] as you can probably imagine.
[2:25:40] Um, I'm quite, I feel quite
[2:25:43] fortunate in the sense that one
[2:25:44] of our partner companies works
[2:25:46] directly in this space and the
[2:25:48] suite that we're putting
[2:25:50] forward, not that everybody's
[2:25:51] going to use every aspect of
[2:25:52] it, is going to be is quite
[2:25:54] impressive. Councillor Madden
[2:25:57] you had a question? Will, just
[2:26:00] before we get off this slide,
[2:26:01] go back to your heating and
[2:26:02] cooling. Um the centralized
[2:26:05] idea of it, this is, this is
[2:26:06] coming to us as a site plan,
[2:26:08] those architectural drawings,
[2:26:09] those, that's what's going to
[2:26:10] become the site plan. I'm just
[2:26:12] curious where the buildings are
[2:26:13] for phase one and two because
[2:26:14] they're not on there that I
[2:26:15] saw. The buildings, the their
[2:26:16] little house, they're little
[2:26:18] huts and that we're we're
[2:26:19] planning on on including that
[2:26:21] prior to the building like
[2:26:23] within the building permit
[2:26:24] application as a as a building
[2:26:27] system. So, prior to we will be
[2:26:30] including it but the they're
[2:26:31] not very big. Okay. And the the huts themselves are only
[2:26:35] about ten by ten. So they don't
[2:26:36] take up a ton of room. We
[2:26:37] didn't include them in the site
[2:26:38] planning because they have no
[2:26:40] servicing. Um and we haven't
[2:26:41] finalized the exact location on
[2:26:43] them yet. Okay. But it will be
[2:26:44] included as part of the as part
[2:26:46] of the building program. Okay
[2:26:47] so like the other at some of
[2:26:49] the the ends of some of the
[2:26:50] parking roads you've got
[2:26:51] electrical, mechanical, little
[2:26:53] structures. Would it be similar
[2:26:54] to that? Exactly. Okay. And.
[2:26:57] Sorry. Sorry I was to follow on
[2:27:00] that sort of lines presumably
[2:27:01] because I noticed in your
[2:27:02] legend you had HC heating
[2:27:04] cooling lines but there weren't
[2:27:05] any on the drying. So
[2:27:06] presumably those would be.
[2:27:07] on there as
[2:27:08] well. Yeah. Okay. Thank you.
[2:27:10] Councilor Manley. And just on
[2:27:12] while we're on the the ground
[2:27:13] source heating and cooling. Is
[2:27:15] it a closed loop system then? A
[2:27:18] horizontal closed loop? Is that
[2:27:19] what it is? Loop system. Yeah.
[2:27:20] Very.
[2:27:24] There's, you know, anyway,
[2:27:25] maybe I'll give you the full
[2:27:26] rundown of the presentation but
[2:27:28] yeah, there's a combination of
[2:27:29] a of a horizontal loop and and
[2:27:31] a deep deep well as well but
[2:27:33] anyway, I'll I'll I'll say it's
[2:27:36] a long conversation.
[2:27:41] Too far now. Okay, so we're
[2:27:43] looking at an aerial image of
[2:27:46] Phase one and two looking from
[2:27:49] the south. Now, before
[2:27:52] everybody asks me why are all
[2:27:53] the units black and grey? Um
[2:27:57] they won't be. Uh this is just
[2:27:58] a a blocking color that's
[2:28:01] standard from the architects.
[2:28:02] The actual units themselves
[2:28:05] will be will be quite a bit
[2:28:06] more colorful than this. But I
[2:28:08] wanted to include this because
[2:28:10] I think it gives a really good
[2:28:12] idea and probably better than
[2:28:15] looking at a site plan of what
[2:28:17] we're what we're looking at
[2:28:18] here with respect to the
[2:28:19] parquettes and and the angle
[2:28:21] and the sort of the interact
[2:28:23] between the two houses or the like roads of houses
[2:28:30] This picture is an image
[2:28:32] looking from the north side of
[2:28:35] the development looking south
[2:28:37] and again, I I wanted to
[2:28:39] include it because I think it
[2:28:40] gives a good sense of scale as
[2:28:41] far as, you know, distance
[2:28:43] between the units, you know,
[2:28:44] where the paths are located
[2:28:46] within the individual like
[2:28:48] blocks of homes and really how
[2:28:51] this, how this all fits
[2:28:52] together. Additionally, you
[2:28:54] also see and this will be clear
[2:28:57] on on a later slide-off show
[2:28:59] but you you notice the the the
[2:29:00] pathway that runs from the
[2:29:02] bottom of that image and sort
[2:29:03] of heads off into the distance.
[2:29:04] So, we've designed this as a
[2:29:08] looped road system within it
[2:29:11] and you and you'll see that in
[2:29:11] the poolside plan in a moment
[2:29:14] but wrapping around the outside
[2:29:16] of that is this network of
[2:29:18] pathways that you can see the
[2:29:21] startup here that is intended
[2:29:23] to allow people to be able to
[2:29:25] effectively walk the entire
[2:29:27] perimeter of the development on
[2:29:29] a walking path, separate from
[2:29:31] the roadway. Now, there is
[2:29:32] going to be a walkway. I get
[2:29:33] adjacent to the road as well.
[2:29:34] Um but myself and I would
[2:29:38] imagine most people would agree
[2:29:40] with me. Being able to walk
[2:29:43] going on a walk, not adjacent
[2:29:45] to a road, I think is, is
[2:29:46] really, really nice and so,
[2:29:48] this image that we're looking
[2:29:51] at demonstrates the first
[2:29:53] little leg of that loop that's
[2:29:54] going to go around the the
[2:29:56] perimeter of the site. Go
[2:29:59] ahead. Thank you Anne. I'm on
[2:30:04] your previous slide
[2:30:08] The units that are the the row
[2:30:11] houses that are sort of on the
[2:30:14] bottom right hand side. Mm hmm.
[2:30:17] The the ones very far right
[2:30:19] look quite close together. I'm
[2:30:21] just curious as to what the
[2:30:24] space, what is the distance
[2:30:25] between one rowhouse and the
[2:30:28] other at it at its closest. Uh
[2:30:31] I'd have to look that number up
[2:30:32] off the top of my head or I
[2:30:34] can't I don't know what off the
[2:30:35] top of my head but there's
[2:30:36] minimum building separations
[2:30:37] that are specified in the
[2:30:39] Ontario building code and they meet all those codes as
[2:30:42] far as an actual number on it.
[2:30:43] It's the the I don't want to
[2:30:46] guess a number. I don't. Okay.
[2:30:53] one unit. Yeah, so there's the
[2:30:55] so that, that, that's where
[2:30:56] the, the discussion on the
[2:30:57] building code actually comes in
[2:30:58] and it's primary, well,
[2:31:00] there's, there's two reasons.
[2:31:00] One is fire and, and the other
[2:31:02] is, is privacy, and it meets
[2:31:06] that, and, and we actually went
[2:31:07] through this process in
[2:31:08] developing the, the zoning,
[2:31:10] specific to this, to this
[2:31:12] project. Um, additionally,
[2:31:15] we're using, we're using a lot
[2:31:16] of strategically placed
[2:31:18] landscaping features that are
[2:31:19] going to provide additional
[2:31:21] privacy in those areas that are
[2:31:23] tight. So there's a few
[2:31:27] different strategies on dealing
[2:31:28] with that and and that was,
[2:31:29] again, that was part of a lot
[2:31:31] of the crafting of the zoning bylaws to to set and
[2:31:36] deal with privacy and and and
[2:31:37] fire issues.
[2:31:45] Okay, so this is, again,
[2:31:47] similar type of, type of
[2:31:49] images, the one we just looked
[2:31:50] at, but instead of, we're now
[2:31:53] at the southern portion of the
[2:31:55] development looking north. Um,
[2:31:57] and again, you see, there's
[2:32:02] Despite the fact that there
[2:32:03] there's quite a number of
[2:32:03] dwellings there, we've actually
[2:32:05] managed to get quite a bit of
[2:32:06] green space in here and the
[2:32:07] idea is that anybody has a
[2:32:11] parquette that's very, very
[2:32:12] close by to them that they that
[2:32:14] they can make use of and I
[2:32:15] think this image demonstrates
[2:32:16] that.
[2:32:20] floor plans So, we're looking
[2:32:23] at the floor plan for the
[2:32:26] single detached unit Um as you
[2:32:30] can see, it consists of two
[2:32:31] bedrooms, a covered parking
[2:32:33] space, large living room, an
[2:32:36] outdoor patio at the back,
[2:32:38] which will be the top of the
[2:32:40] drawing here. Um and the reason
[2:32:43] I'm showing two here is is it
[2:32:44] shows one is is a barrier free
[2:32:46] and the other one isn't. Um not
[2:32:48] a huge difference between the
[2:32:51] barrier free and non-barrier
[2:32:53] free other than there's some
[2:32:54] slight modifications in the
[2:32:56] kitchen and and the bathroom is a different configuration.
[2:33:00] Uh this is our largest unit and
[2:33:02] it comes in as far as living
[2:33:04] space, a little bit under 1,
[2:33:05] 100 square feet. Um and you
[2:33:08] know, obviously, you know,
[2:33:09] anybody can rent it but in our
[2:33:11] mind, we had this this type of
[2:33:13] unit. It was ideally suited for
[2:33:15] a couple. It's it has extra
[2:33:17] space. It has additional
[2:33:18] storage. You'll see within the
[2:33:19] garage, there's actually
[2:33:20] storage built in there as well.
[2:33:25] Uh this unit is our
[2:33:26] semi-detached. Uh it it's a
[2:33:29] little bit smaller but it also
[2:33:31] consists of two bedrooms, a
[2:33:33] large living area, same thing,
[2:33:34] outdoor patio. Um the storage
[2:33:38] is now with the if you look at
[2:33:41] the two rectangles at the the
[2:33:43] bottoms of the units there. Uh
[2:33:45] those are outdoor storage
[2:33:46] units. Obviously because we
[2:33:48] don't have a garage in these
[2:33:50] ones. Um they are we needed to
[2:33:52] provide some sort of space for
[2:33:55] gardening equipment and that
[2:33:56] type of thing. So, all the
[2:33:57] units that aren't the singles
[2:33:59] have these external storage
[2:34:01] spaces in it for for yard work
[2:34:03] and so that's those at the back
[2:34:05] and they actually I thought
[2:34:07] this was quite creative of the
[2:34:09] architects. They use that as a
[2:34:11] means of creating a bit of
[2:34:14] privacy and like a a barrier
[2:34:17] basically between the two units
[2:34:18] so that each unit has their own
[2:34:21] bit of private in the back
[2:34:24] there that they can sit without
[2:34:25] having to, you know, stare at
[2:34:27] their their neighbors at the
[2:34:28] right aside
[2:34:31] This one here is, we're calling
[2:34:34] it the deluxe row unit. So,
[2:34:37] this is the larger of the two.
[2:34:38] It is a one bedroom. So, now,
[2:34:41] we're into into one-bedroom
[2:34:42] units as opposed to two. Um
[2:34:45] living space, it's actually
[2:34:47] pretty close. Let me save the
[2:34:49] one last bedroom. It's fairly
[2:34:51] close to the the same living
[2:34:53] space area as the as a
[2:34:54] semi-detached but obviously the
[2:34:56] main difference being there's
[2:34:57] only the one bedroom.
[2:35:03] All I guess I should specify
[2:35:04] all the units are intended to
[2:35:05] have washer and dryer. Um so
[2:35:08] there's no need for laundromats
[2:35:10] or anything like that. Um and
[2:35:12] again these ones also have the storage units on the
[2:35:15] outside. and finally, we have
[2:35:20] our standard row unit which is certainly more of a a modest
[2:35:25] size. Um In my head I I would
[2:35:29] think this would be most
[2:35:29] appropriate for for an
[2:35:31] individual. I think for a
[2:35:32] couple it'd be it'd be pretty
[2:35:33] tight in there. Not that we
[2:35:34] would limit anybody but it this
[2:35:38] one was really designed to
[2:35:40] provide all those needs of
[2:35:42] living space while keeping the
[2:35:46] cost as minimal as possible to allow for people that aren't
[2:35:53] double income or or have you
[2:35:54] know a very fixed income to be
[2:35:56] able to still live and still
[2:35:57] participate in the village. And
[2:35:58] as I said Earlier, Even these
[2:36:02] units are peppered amongst all
[2:36:05] the other units to really not
[2:36:07] stigmatize somebody who's
[2:36:09] living in the smaller units to
[2:36:11] make them feel just as part of
[2:36:12] the community as as anybody
[2:36:14] else.
[2:36:17] Okay, so now we're looking at
[2:36:18] some architectural renderings,
[2:36:21] nice pictures. Um this is
[2:36:23] obviously the one from the the
[2:36:24] start of the presentation. But
[2:36:26] what we're looking at here is
[2:36:28] one of the connecting pathways
[2:36:30] into into the the core of of I
[2:36:33] believe this one is phase two.
[2:36:35] Um you can see the the covered
[2:36:38] parking and the single family
[2:36:39] home there. And some of the
[2:36:42] benching that we expect with
[2:36:43] our landscape architect as well
[2:36:45] as some of the vegetation that that we that we're looking
[2:36:48] to include. Um I like this one
[2:36:51] because I think it gives a good
[2:36:52] sense of of scale and
[2:36:55] separation between the units
[2:36:56] and and gives a much better
[2:36:57] sense from a human perspective
[2:36:59] of what this is actually
[2:37:01] going to look like when you're standing on the
[2:37:03] ground. So, this one is
[2:37:07] actually just around the corner
[2:37:09] from where we were just
[2:37:11] looking. Uh I had mentioned
[2:37:13] that that sort of network of
[2:37:16] pathways that's going to go go
[2:37:19] around the circumference of the
[2:37:20] site. Uh this is looking north
[2:37:23] along that pathway. So, as you
[2:37:24] can see, again, it gives you a
[2:37:26] good sense of scale of what
[2:37:27] type of separation distances we
[2:37:29] have between adjacent row homes
[2:37:31] and you even see some of the little details of
[2:37:35] the of the little picket fences
[2:37:36] that I I say I quite like and I
[2:37:37] think add a lot of charm to to
[2:37:42] that walk that people are
[2:37:43] going to be going to be going
[2:37:44] on. and finally, we're looking
[2:37:49] at standing in one of the front
[2:37:52] porches of our our row units
[2:37:53] looking out across the
[2:37:55] gentlemen across the way. Uh
[2:37:57] again, the the reason I put
[2:37:59] these in is I wanted to give
[2:38:00] everybody a sense of scale of
[2:38:02] what what this is actually
[2:38:04] going to look like and you
[2:38:06] know, when I was when I got
[2:38:08] these images and I I debated
[2:38:11] the architects about how this
[2:38:12] was going to feel and they
[2:38:13] swore up and down. It wouldn't
[2:38:15] feel tight and I think this
[2:38:18] image really gives a really
[2:38:19] good idea of it feels intimate
[2:38:23] but not overly crowded. So, so
[2:38:26] that's why that's why I
[2:38:27] included in here and I can
[2:38:28] really see this this type of
[2:38:31] setup Fostering a good
[2:38:34] community feel, you know, like
[2:38:36] I I'm just, I'm standing here
[2:38:38] and having a conversation with
[2:38:39] this gentleman really is not a
[2:38:41] burden. You know, it's close
[2:38:42] enough that you can talk and
[2:38:43] he's going to be able to hear
[2:38:44] you, right? So, that again is back to this theme of trying
[2:38:47] to drive community as much as
[2:38:49] possible.
[2:38:53] Okay. Going forward. So we
[2:38:54] talked a lot about phase one
[2:38:56] and phase two. And I know
[2:38:58] everybody on this council wants
[2:38:59] to know where is this going?
[2:39:00] That's a fair question. so, we
[2:39:05] haven't filled in all the sites
[2:39:07] yet because as you can probably
[2:39:09] imagine, putting together that
[2:39:11] drawing so that it actually
[2:39:12] meets all the setback code and
[2:39:13] then all that's a lot of work
[2:39:15] but just to to kind of paint a
[2:39:16] picture of where this is going.
[2:39:18] If you notice right down the
[2:39:22] center, sort of running in the
[2:39:23] north, south direction is sort
[2:39:24] of is this meandering path of
[2:39:29] trees and pathways and and we
[2:39:31] our our design team has dubbed
[2:39:33] this to be the the green ribbon
[2:39:35] and it's exactly what it sounds
[2:39:39] like. It's a strip of greenery
[2:39:42] that really drives everybody.
[2:39:45] The intention is to drive
[2:39:46] people towards the center of
[2:39:48] development to foster, you
[2:39:50] know, exercise and and and and
[2:39:54] getting together with friends
[2:39:55] and really creating a beautiful
[2:39:59] pedestrian throughway right
[2:40:01] down the center of this. Now,
[2:40:02] if you notice, we actually tied
[2:40:05] it in to that little extra bit
[2:40:10] of of land that connects into
[2:40:11] 43 along the southeast portion
[2:40:14] of the site there. Uh that's
[2:40:16] where we ultimately see the the
[2:40:18] connection with the hospital
[2:40:19] being done on the other side of
[2:40:21] the road. Now, I know there's a network of trails. Uh south
[2:40:27] of 43. And part of our site
[2:40:30] development plan for the
[2:40:31] hospital lands is going to be
[2:40:34] figuring out a way to connect
[2:40:35] that crossing with the of
[2:40:39] trails on the other side of the
[2:40:40] street. Um seem like we want
[2:40:44] people to be able to get to
[2:40:45] Mill Pond but we can't have
[2:40:48] people standing on the side of
[2:40:49] 43 trying to run across dodging
[2:40:51] cars, right? So, creating a
[2:40:54] proper crossing and an
[2:40:56] appropriate way of of funneling
[2:41:00] people to the other side is is
[2:41:02] how we're going to do it and
[2:41:03] we're going to do that through
[2:41:04] the Green Ribbon. Um you'll
[2:41:07] notice that we've drawn
[2:41:09] blocking of larger units that
[2:41:10] are sort of enveloping the
[2:41:15] green ribbon I guess. Uh the
[2:41:17] rationale for that for these
[2:41:19] higher density units. Now again
[2:41:21] we're we're limited at at three
[2:41:23] storeys which I think is
[2:41:24] appropriate for the this this
[2:41:26] property. Um but those higher
[2:41:28] density units are going to be
[2:41:30] closer to the the main walkways
[2:41:32] and thoroughfares. Because we
[2:41:34] expect that folks that are
[2:41:36] going to be want to be living
[2:41:37] in those higher density units
[2:41:38] are probably going to be people
[2:41:39] with with higher needs from a
[2:41:41] medical standpoint. So putting
[2:41:42] them closer to the action, so
[2:41:46] to speak, but also potentially
[2:41:49] being on the second floor,
[2:41:50] giving a little bit more
[2:41:52] privacy, I think, just makes an
[2:41:54] awful lot of sense. Finally,
[2:41:57] it's not shown in this drawing,
[2:41:59] but we had talked about
[2:42:00] commercial entities being part
[2:42:02] of this development in our, in
[2:42:03] our zoning is crafted that way.
[2:42:05] Um, while there will be some
[2:42:09] smaller commercial entities
[2:42:12] within the, within the area
[2:42:14] around the green room and the
[2:42:16] bulk of the larger units are
[2:42:17] larger commercial spaces are
[2:42:19] intended to be towards the
[2:42:21] southeast of the development.
[2:42:23] Um Really, that's make sense.
[2:42:26] It's right next to County Road
[2:42:27] 43 in order to support those
[2:42:30] businesses and you know, bring
[2:42:31] in individuals, customers from
[2:42:33] that don't live in the village.
[2:42:35] We wanted to make sure that
[2:42:38] those business entities were
[2:42:39] close to the close to the
[2:42:40] county road so that so that
[2:42:42] they can take advantage of
[2:42:44] both. And I think it's just
[2:42:46] generally good planning to have
[2:42:47] your have your commercial
[2:42:48] spaces closer to closer to the
[2:42:50] world. from a servicing
[2:42:53] perspective, we're going to
[2:42:55] look at this drawing here The
[2:43:00] site kind of has a a natural
[2:43:02] crown that runs east west and
[2:43:05] splits it north and south, you
[2:43:08] know, right about where that
[2:43:09] red line is right in the middle
[2:43:10] of the site. So, as part of the
[2:43:13] build out, we we intend to
[2:43:14] actually make use of the the
[2:43:15] natural topography to service
[2:43:18] the site primarily from a
[2:43:20] stormwater perspective. That's
[2:43:21] typically what dictates a lot
[2:43:22] of a lot of your development
[2:43:23] design planning. Um so, with
[2:43:26] that said, the grain that you
[2:43:28] see in in the in the drawing
[2:43:30] here is where we're proposing
[2:43:33] sending our our major flow
[2:43:35] routes from a stormwater
[2:43:37] perspective Um and you'll
[2:43:39] notice that we actually have a
[2:43:41] root earmarked right down the
[2:43:43] center of the green ribbon. The
[2:43:44] rationale for that is
[2:43:47] topographically it actually
[2:43:48] makes a lot of sense. Um that
[2:43:51] it's it's a lower lying area.
[2:43:54] Life of a fire chief.
[2:43:58] But also we we feel that
[2:44:00] there's a a huge benefit in
[2:44:02] creating some water features
[2:44:04] within that green space right
[2:44:06] in the center and sort of
[2:44:08] double, you know, making use of
[2:44:11] stormwater systems that we have
[2:44:12] to do anyway just seem to make
[2:44:14] an awful lot of sense within
[2:44:15] that green space in a minute.
[2:44:17] So, that's why we're earmarking
[2:44:18] some, not all because it's
[2:44:20] would be too much water to send
[2:44:22] it all there but some of the
[2:44:24] stormwater systems are going to
[2:44:26] be flowing through that green
[2:44:27] ribbon to create natural water
[2:44:28] features again to foster that
[2:44:30] connection with nature.
[2:44:34] So, the slide we're looking at
[2:44:36] here is a little blurb on. Just
[2:44:40] hold on one more question.
[2:44:41] Yeah, please. Good. I can go
[2:44:42] back just one. Yup. I'm just, I
[2:44:44] thought this maybe is a good
[2:44:46] time to. Yup. Ask this question
[2:44:47] or whatever. Do you have
[2:44:49] timelines on on those those
[2:44:50] other phases? We're intending
[2:44:52] to do one about one every year.
[2:44:55] I mean, obviously, if the
[2:44:57] market supports it, then, we'll
[2:45:00] we could accelerate that but
[2:45:01] as, you know, as a general
[2:45:03] project planning, we're we're
[2:45:04] looking about one, one every
[2:45:07] year. And would you, would you
[2:45:10] continue west, west from the
[2:45:13] existing two? Yeah, the the the
[2:45:16] working plan right now, I mean,
[2:45:17] subject to more detailed design
[2:45:19] and and investigation is to is
[2:45:21] to expand southwest, I guess it
[2:45:24] would be. Um, and, and then
[2:45:27] ultimately work our way back
[2:45:28] north along the eastern side as
[2:45:31] we go. Yeah. Um, again, I, I
[2:45:34] don't hold me to that. Because
[2:45:36] we have curious what what
[2:45:38] that's that's the intention.
[2:45:39] Yeah. You know, ultimately, we
[2:45:40] want to be able to bring
[2:45:42] commercial spaces in sooner
[2:45:44] rather than later. So, getting
[2:45:48] to that southwest portion. Yup.
[2:45:51] Within a reasonable time frame
[2:45:52] makes makes a lot of sense to
[2:45:54] me but again, we're I don't
[2:45:56] want to get too ahead of myself
[2:45:57] like we're rice is kind of
[2:45:58] subject to change but that's that's the moving on to
[2:46:02] other questions. Uh Deputy
[2:46:04] Mayor Quinn, please. On the
[2:46:06] same lines, just a a concern
[2:46:09] about the the lengthy period to
[2:46:11] get all of the homes built.
[2:46:14] That that can be accommodated
[2:46:16] there. I mean we're in a like
[2:46:20] globally I don't know whether
[2:46:21] it's globally. Certainly in
[2:46:22] Ontario. I I a housing crisis.
[2:46:24] And we really need to get
[2:46:26] houses built. Mhm. As quickly
[2:46:28] as possible. Um
[2:46:32] I'm just saying that because
[2:46:32] it's a concern. Mm hmm. Uh ten
[2:46:34] years down the road who knows?
[2:46:37] Maybe, you know, those houses
[2:46:40] won't be needed but the crisis
[2:46:42] is now. For sure. Yeah. And and
[2:46:44] this is why support from the
[2:46:48] community makes a a big
[2:46:50] difference here, right? Um we
[2:46:54] are looking at the financial
[2:46:56] markets right now to invest a
[2:46:57] significant amount of money in North Glengarry
[2:47:03] We are taking phase one and two
[2:47:06] to basically prove that the
[2:47:08] market is there. Now, if
[2:47:11] through this development
[2:47:12] process, these things, I know
[2:47:16] we're not selling them but you
[2:47:17] know, these things go quick. Um
[2:47:19] then, that gives us further
[2:47:21] justification to to potentially
[2:47:24] amalgamate phases going
[2:47:25] forward. Do larger chunks, and
[2:47:27] what I think is a is kind of
[2:47:30] our big ace in the hole is is
[2:47:32] that manufacturing facility
[2:47:33] with Oakwood that we're, that
[2:47:35] we're going to be working off
[2:47:36] of 'cuz going to be able to
[2:47:38] crank houses out. I think the limiting factor more than
[2:47:44] anything to your point is we
[2:47:46] need housing. But the limiting
[2:47:47] factor really is going to be
[2:47:49] how quick the uptake is on on
[2:47:51] these units. And if if it goes
[2:47:55] away I'm hoping and the way I
[2:47:56] think we all think it's
[2:47:58] going to go. Then then those
[2:47:59] timelines certainly will be
[2:48:01] accelerated. I I have no if if
[2:48:03] we can cut that down to five
[2:48:05] years for the full build out
[2:48:07] even better. Right? So that's
[2:48:10] ehm yet to be determined, but
[2:48:12] I, I try, I don't want to say
[2:48:13] five years and then, you know,
[2:48:15] it ends up being ten and I'd
[2:48:17] rather under promise and over
[2:48:19] deliver, I guess. No problem.
[2:48:27] So, we're looking at here is
[2:48:31] sort of the the the five
[2:48:33] principles of our integrated
[2:48:34] service and technology
[2:48:36] delivery. So, this has nothing
[2:48:37] to do with housing but this is
[2:48:40] the other aspects of of the
[2:48:42] service delivery that we're
[2:48:43] looking to bring to this
[2:48:44] community. Um and I won't spend
[2:48:46] too much time on this because I
[2:48:48] know everybody's getting tired
[2:48:49] but but specifically, personal
[2:48:51] health and support care
[2:48:53] services. Um that goes back to
[2:48:55] what we were talking about,
[2:48:56] customized health care plans
[2:48:58] for people that need it. Uh
[2:48:59] wellness social engagement.
[2:49:02] That's a recreation planning,
[2:49:04] and partnerships with some of
[2:49:06] the local local groups that are
[2:49:08] already doing this, this type
[2:49:09] of work. Site management and
[2:49:12] operations, we have a one of
[2:49:14] our shareholders is a property
[2:49:16] management company, Dory
[2:49:19] Property Management, who is
[2:49:20] going to be overseeing all the maintenance and you
[2:49:25] know the all the things that go
[2:49:26] into running a running a
[2:49:28] community. Um very established
[2:49:31] track record of property
[2:49:32] management. We're we're
[2:49:33] confident he's going to be able
[2:49:35] to do it. Uh information,
[2:49:37] technology, entertainment, and
[2:49:38] communications that's the tech
[2:49:40] side of things. Not just
[2:49:41] related to healthcare but with
[2:49:44] respect to the internet and
[2:49:46] then telephone services and all
[2:49:47] that. Similar to what you'd see
[2:49:49] in other apartment buildings.
[2:49:50] Um we want to make that as
[2:49:52] seamless as possible. Um and
[2:49:58] looking at different systems
[2:50:00] rather than, you know, for
[2:50:01] instance, conventional phone
[2:50:02] systems because we're looking
[2:50:04] to integrate telehealth and, some of these other more
[2:50:06] advanced ways of
[2:50:07] communications, a big push on, connectivity is, is some, is
[2:50:12] a big principle of ours. And I
[2:50:15] already touched on this, but
[2:50:16] commercial and, and
[2:50:18] miscellaneous, senior specific
[2:50:19] services, that would be the, commercial entities, pet
[2:50:24] grooming, and salons, and that
[2:50:26] type of thing. So, so really
[2:50:27] the the goal is to provide a a
[2:50:31] space that covers as many of
[2:50:34] people's needs as possible and
[2:50:35] as they choose to participate
[2:50:36] in 'cuz choice is a big, big
[2:50:39] part too. So, that people can
[2:50:41] do as much or as little within the villages as they
[2:50:45] choose. So, finally, I I added
[2:50:49] this slide because I think it,
[2:50:51] you know, it's funny I have to
[2:50:54] get so tied up and and trying
[2:50:56] to get these these things done
[2:50:57] and and the work done. You sort
[2:50:59] of forget about why we started
[2:51:01] this. So, it's it's nice for me
[2:51:03] to reiterate this. Every person
[2:51:07] involved in this project and
[2:51:08] involved in IHA in general.
[2:51:12] Shares these values. And
[2:51:14] sometimes it's not always easy.
[2:51:15] Um to try convince folks to
[2:51:19] take a longer term approach to
[2:51:24] Financial returns, if I'm being
[2:51:26] honest, isn't always the
[2:51:29] easiest sell. But, everybody
[2:51:33] involved in our organization
[2:51:35] approaches this with care and
[2:51:36] compassion. I'm not going to
[2:51:38] read them all off to you, but
[2:51:40] you can read it there. And we
[2:51:42] have put our team together
[2:51:57] are really where it all starts
[2:52:00] and been working on this for
[2:52:01] four years. So, I wanted to
[2:52:05] communicate this to you that
[2:52:06] this still is the core of
[2:52:07] everything that we're trying to
[2:52:09] do here and we haven't
[2:52:12] forgotten that. So, that is
[2:52:16] about it for my presentation.
[2:52:19] Um I realized that probably
[2:52:21] went a bit longer than I
[2:52:22] intended to but but I
[2:52:24] appreciate everybody's time and I'd be happy to field
[2:52:28] questions. Okay, thank you
[2:52:30] Will. Are there any questions
[2:52:31] from Councilor Mada Thank you,
[2:52:34] mister mayor. Well, I just
[2:52:36] want to go back to parking.
[2:52:37] Sure. Um visitor spots? Yes.
[2:52:41] They'll be designated
[2:52:42] presumably? Yes. Weave year?
[2:52:45] Yeah, excuse me. We've
[2:52:46] earmarked one spot for every
[2:52:47] unit and we've I guess I should
[2:52:50] go back. I should just see it.
[2:52:51] Basically, there is it's a good
[2:52:57] one. So, you see the along the
[2:52:59] road there. There are there's a
[2:53:02] cutouts. Yeah. So, all those
[2:53:03] are are street parking for
[2:53:05] visitor visitor parking and
[2:53:07] there's actually, there's a
[2:53:08] couple of additional spaces
[2:53:09] within the within the parking
[2:53:11] units themselves for for
[2:53:11] visitors. So, we've got here
[2:53:12] marked quite bit of quite a bit
[2:53:15] of visitor parking space. Good
[2:53:16] stuff. What about plugins for
[2:53:19] EVs? Plug-ins for EVs are
[2:53:23] something that we'd like to do.
[2:53:24] Now when we first put this out
[2:53:27] there it was kind of made clear
[2:53:28] to us that not too many people
[2:53:29] happy bees around here. Um with
[2:53:32] that said is our intention to
[2:53:34] put in the electrical
[2:53:37] infrastructure to be able to
[2:53:38] install them. When people are
[2:53:42] asking for them. You know we
[2:53:43] looked at the pedestals to be
[2:53:44] able to to have them there.
[2:53:46] Okay. Um and the feedback we
[2:53:48] got was honestly not very good
[2:53:51] on EVs but we want to be able
[2:53:54] to pivot if and when we're ready to put in. People
[2:53:58] say that there's a need. Jacob,
[2:54:00] you have a comment?
[2:54:07] No.
[2:54:11] They were and I know they took
[2:54:12] it out and it was something I
[2:54:13] wanted to ask you about but you
[2:54:14] haven't had time. But with that
[2:54:15] said but just to address that
[2:54:18] specifically. EVs are the way
[2:54:19] of the future. This is it. And building in that similar to
[2:54:23] what what's within the units.
[2:54:25] Building in that backing
[2:54:26] infrastructure and making sure
[2:54:27] for instance our electrical
[2:54:28] distribution lines are capable
[2:54:30] of delivering charge to EVs.
[2:54:32] Yep. Is something that we've
[2:54:34] insisted with Hydro One and
[2:54:35] with our with our our
[2:54:38] mechanical electrical
[2:54:38] designers. I was wondering if
[2:54:39] it was if there was thought of
[2:54:41] you you have a lot of things
[2:54:43] earmarked as future carport.
[2:54:47] And that was I think on
[2:54:49] previous drawings that we had
[2:54:49] seen there was a lot of
[2:54:50] carport. Yeah. Build in. So, I
[2:54:52] mean, it would kind of make
[2:54:53] sense. And really, the only
[2:54:54] reason I'm thinking is this, we
[2:54:55] know there are vehicle
[2:54:57] manufacturers that are going
[2:54:58] solely electric within the next
[2:55:00] five to six years. So, yes,
[2:55:01] there's not a massive uptake in
[2:55:03] this area, but eventually
[2:55:04] people are not going to have
[2:55:05] much in the way of choice. So
[2:55:07] that's. Sure. Yeah. Did you
[2:55:08] know? Yeah. Yeah. We built in
[2:55:10] plans to expand that in the
[2:55:11] future. Um, again, this is
[2:55:13] always a balancing act of cost
[2:55:15] control, right? Um, and, in
[2:55:19] order to make sure that the
[2:55:21] project was viable and similar
[2:55:22] to the covered parking. Um we
[2:55:25] really, it was unfortunately
[2:55:27] something that we had to punt
[2:55:29] the ball a little bit on that
[2:55:30] one to make sure that we we hit
[2:55:32] those affordability targets
[2:55:33] because I think, you know, it
[2:55:35] was kind of a trade off of
[2:55:36] putting in for instance,
[2:55:38] electrical charging stations.
[2:55:41] Now, would cause a bump that
[2:55:44] would make things slightly less
[2:55:45] affordable. Totally, right?
[2:55:47] Fair enough. One more question
[2:55:48] on the parking in design of
[2:55:51] this in in discussion with your architects. Uh what about
[2:55:56] snow storage or snow removal?
[2:55:58] Snow snow is going to be pushed
[2:56:00] into for now into the vacant
[2:56:04] lands adjacent to the site. But
[2:56:05] as part of subsequent phases
[2:56:08] obviously we're not going to be
[2:56:09] able to do that. So we're
[2:56:10] going to be building in snow
[2:56:12] storage. Probably not snow
[2:56:14] removal. I just I don't think
[2:56:15] that's really practical. Uh but
[2:56:17] building in storage locations
[2:56:19] that would likely be park space
[2:56:21] in the summertime. Yep. Um for
[2:56:22] a snow storage. Okay. Good
[2:56:24] enough. Thank you very much.
[2:56:26] Thank you. Councilman. Um Will,
[2:56:28] do you have any idea at this
[2:56:30] point Um what these units are
[2:56:32] going to rent for? Cost wise.
[2:56:35] We we'd seen some numbers
[2:56:37] before I think. Yeah, I like
[2:56:38] it. I I I don't want to give
[2:56:39] specific rents because that's
[2:56:41] not. No, no. Hasn't been but
[2:56:42] yeah, generally, we're coming
[2:56:43] in at around the, you know, 15
[2:56:46] hundred on the low end to to
[2:56:48] 2500 on the high end. Okay. But
[2:56:50] that's that's still subject to
[2:56:52] change. So. Yeah. Um again,
[2:56:54] like my comment before, don't quote me out. Yeah, for
[2:56:56] sure. And are there, are there, going to be lease
[2:56:58] options? Is it month to month?
[2:57:00] Is it lease option a year or is
[2:57:01] it? Yeah, so we'll be asking
[2:57:02] people to sign leases, typical
[2:57:04] for, yeah, any any apartment,
[2:57:06] right, would, that would be out
[2:57:07] there. The specific terms of
[2:57:10] those leases, whether they're
[2:57:12] one or two, that's going to be
[2:57:13] developed through a property
[2:57:14] management company. We, we may
[2:57:16] potentially incentivize people
[2:57:18] to, to, to sign up for longer,
[2:57:21] through a variety of weans,
[2:57:22] but, but it's going to be
[2:57:23] fairly conventional leases. And
[2:57:25] age restrictions? No, and that
[2:57:26] was, that was something that we
[2:57:30] found out as we started dealing
[2:57:30] with CMHC. Um, We're not
[2:57:34] technically allowed to to give
[2:57:36] age restrictions. Okay. And you
[2:57:37] know, even from a you know, a
[2:57:40] human standpoint, I guess, you
[2:57:42] know, I started out with
[2:57:44] seniors. That's where we where
[2:57:45] we started this whole process
[2:57:46] and then, in doing focus groups
[2:57:49] and talking to frankly, anybody
[2:57:51] who would listen to me about
[2:57:53] it. Um it became clear that
[2:57:56] there are a lot of folks that
[2:57:58] aren't seniors that would
[2:58:01] benefit from a community like
[2:58:02] this whether that's an adult
[2:58:04] with physical or mental
[2:58:05] abilities, you know, that's
[2:58:09] probably the the main one. but
[2:58:12] people that aren't sixty plus
[2:58:15] that could benefit from from a
[2:58:17] community living such as this.
[2:58:19] So, so short answer, no. Now,
[2:58:21] obviously, it's structured such
[2:58:23] yet. I don't think it would
[2:58:24] make a lot of sense for a
[2:58:26] family of four to come live
[2:58:27] here. Yeah. Um so, you know, in
[2:58:30] we're not saying no but it
[2:58:32] doesn't make a whole lot of
[2:58:33] sense for that family to move
[2:58:34] here. Um but if it makes sense
[2:58:37] for an individual to be able to
[2:58:39] live here, then, then, I don't
[2:58:42] we won't say no. That's what
[2:58:43] family. Thank you. Go ahead. Um
[2:58:47] we'll just some information in
[2:58:50] going through the reports and I
[2:58:52] suspect it's due to some of the
[2:58:53] older reports. Um but so that
[2:58:57] people know because we're
[2:58:58] getting a lot of questions
[2:59:00] about this. Sure. Yeah. Uh I've
[2:59:01] got something that says 507
[2:59:04] senior residential units 40,
[2:59:05] 000 square feet of commercial.
[2:59:07] 3, 000 square feet of office
[2:59:09] space. And something else that
[2:59:11] says seven to 800 units. What's
[2:59:13] the current? Uh seven to 800
[2:59:15] units. I'm not sure where that first one came. It's been
[2:59:17] a much older. And still the
[2:59:19] commercial and office mix?
[2:59:20] Yeah. Commercial. Probably no I
[2:59:21] mean, other than maybe a like a
[2:59:23] medical clinic or something
[2:59:25] like that but. Great. You know,
[2:59:27] in discussion with the hospital
[2:59:28] who are also our our partners,
[2:59:31] they also have clinic space
[2:59:33] within their facilities. So,
[2:59:34] obviously, we don't want to
[2:59:36] double dip on something that's
[2:59:37] across the street. So, but when
[2:59:40] we set offices, I'm in my head,
[2:59:41] I thought, you know, maybe a
[2:59:42] dentist or a massage therapy or
[2:59:45] something like that. Okay, fair
[2:59:48] enough. Um there's some traffic
[2:59:51] and street stuff. I don't think
[2:59:52] we really need to go into that
[2:59:54] right now. Anybody else? Well,
[2:59:56] I see if I have anything else.
[2:59:58] Any further questions from
[2:59:59] anyone? Go ahead. Council
[3:00:01] Wenson. Guess about the cost? I
[3:00:04] think there's still a group
[3:00:05] that we're going to have a a
[3:00:08] group whose needs we won't be
[3:00:11] able to meet based upon the
[3:00:13] rent that you're offering. The
[3:00:14] facility, the multi-story
[3:00:16] facility that you're building
[3:00:17] for seniors with Greater Care
[3:00:19] needs. Will the cost likely be
[3:00:22] lower than these individual
[3:00:23] units? Potentially, it's
[3:00:25] probably a little too early to
[3:00:27] say on that and I I would I
[3:00:28] would probably defer you to to
[3:00:30] Steve as part of that that sort
[3:00:31] of grander conversation about
[3:00:33] people with with much higher
[3:00:35] financial needs than that. I
[3:00:37] know he had had some
[3:00:39] discussions with some community
[3:00:40] housing groups around here of earmarking some units. But
[3:00:44] I'd be I'd be hesitant to to
[3:00:47] comment specifically on that
[3:00:47] today. But do we want to
[3:00:49] address that Yes. How we do it
[3:00:55] remains to be seen at this
[3:00:56] point. Councilor Noble. I was
[3:00:59] just going to make a comment.
[3:01:01] Thank you. Um while we're
[3:01:02] waiting for Mike as a 16 year
[3:01:06] old that moved into a house
[3:01:07] that had been built with
[3:01:08] someone previously who'd been a
[3:01:10] senior. I absolutely love the
[3:01:12] crab bar in the shower.
[3:01:14] Awesome. At every hotel I go to
[3:01:16] I use it for some reason.
[3:01:17] Fantastic. Uh so I highly
[3:01:19] recommend you put them in for
[3:01:21] because everybody. Whether
[3:01:22] you're shaving your legs,
[3:01:23] you're cleaning everybody.
[3:01:24] can that grab bar. I
[3:01:26] don't know about the one. Try
[3:01:27] it next time I shave my legs. I
[3:01:31] really wish those that was one
[3:01:32] of those times where you didn't
[3:01:33] turn on your microphone.
[3:01:38] Okay, you're done? You're good?
[3:01:41] Okay, any further questions or
[3:01:42] comments? See none. Uh thank
[3:01:46] you Will. Uh is there any
[3:01:48] process at this point Sarah?
[3:01:49] That was just for information.
[3:01:50] Uh through Mister Mayor. Yes.
[3:01:52] So this is just information and
[3:01:53] then Jacob will be bringing
[3:01:56] back the site plan for council
[3:01:57] approval at a future meeting.
[3:01:59] That's awesome. Okay, great.
[3:02:00] Well, thank you Will. Uh very
[3:02:01] much. Appreciate it. It's it's
[3:02:03] a big project and we're excited
[3:02:04] about it. So, we can't as you
[3:02:07] said, it's been quite a few
[3:02:08] years. So, we're very glad it's
[3:02:10] coming to fruition. So, thank
[3:02:11] you for your presentation. No
[3:02:12] problem. Thanks for having me.
[3:02:14] Great. Take care, everybody.
[3:02:16] Okay? We will move to
[3:02:18] adjournment. I have a motion
[3:02:19] moved by Councilor Massey.
[3:02:21] Seconded by Councilor Noble.
[3:02:22] There being no further business
[3:02:23] to discuss. The meeting was
[3:02:24] adjourned at 603 PM. All those
[3:02:29] in favor? Motion is carried.
[3:02:31] Thank you everyone. I thought I
[3:02:33] was I was getting to read it.